1 00:00:01,770 --> 00:00:04,320 Hey everybody, it's time once again for the programme that is 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:07,680 literally made up on the spot well, sometimes in advance, and 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:11,400 sometimes even after the fact, you know why? Because we have no 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,390 agenda. This is no agenda coming to you from the curry manner in 5 00:00:15,390 --> 00:00:17,220 the United Kingdom. I'm Adam curry. 6 00:00:17,670 --> 00:00:20,040 And I'm John C. Dvorak appear in Northern California where he's 7 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,580 had a couple of 100 degree days. And I think it's cooling off 8 00:00:23,580 --> 00:00:26,220 today. And I can finally see the marine layer out there beyond 9 00:00:26,220 --> 00:00:28,740 the Golden Gate Bridge, ready to come in and cool us off. 10 00:00:28,770 --> 00:00:30,930 Well, shit. If I knew you were gonna give a full weather 11 00:00:30,930 --> 00:00:35,340 report, I would have done the same. Actually, let me tell you, 12 00:00:35,370 --> 00:00:38,250 I did just come through the clouds from from the 13 00:00:38,250 --> 00:00:41,400 Netherlands. And I just I did some amazing instrument flying 14 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:45,210 today I am I've gone to a whole new level of airmanship. I'm 15 00:00:45,390 --> 00:00:50,670 quite jazzed and adrenalized. Actually, well, that's sweet. It 16 00:00:50,670 --> 00:00:54,510 is because there comes this point when you have the 17 00:00:54,510 --> 00:00:56,850 confidence to do a number of different things and actually 18 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,820 kind of gets easier when you get to instrument flying. Because 19 00:01:00,030 --> 00:01:02,400 all you have to do is just follow instructions, and you're 20 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,220 really managing the system instead of flying the aeroplane. 21 00:01:05,970 --> 00:01:10,050 But it feels like the world the oyster that is my world enlarged 22 00:01:10,050 --> 00:01:12,540 a little bit today, I think I can go to more places and do 23 00:01:12,540 --> 00:01:13,350 more things. 24 00:01:14,249 --> 00:01:16,049 But you're not going to take that doesn't mean you're going 25 00:01:16,049 --> 00:01:18,659 to become some sort of a crackpot risk taker. 26 00:01:19,559 --> 00:01:24,119 Quite the opposite. No, no. In fact, there's this magical 27 00:01:24,119 --> 00:01:27,659 moment, I think before you get to your instrument rating, where 28 00:01:28,589 --> 00:01:31,619 before you really have done instrument flying because you 29 00:01:31,619 --> 00:01:34,679 know the thing was incident flying and people people may 30 00:01:34,679 --> 00:01:40,109 know this. But really, the main issue is if you're a private 31 00:01:40,109 --> 00:01:44,039 pilot, and so you you fly under what they call visual flight 32 00:01:44,069 --> 00:01:47,999 rules, VFR that means you can see the ground at all times when 33 00:01:47,999 --> 00:01:51,809 you're flying. Because when you go into clouds, and yet, let's 34 00:01:51,809 --> 00:01:54,419 just call that a wideout, because you're completely or all 35 00:01:54,419 --> 00:01:57,869 the windows is just white, you can't see anything. At that 36 00:01:57,869 --> 00:02:01,319 point, if you don't know how to read your instruments and fly on 37 00:02:01,319 --> 00:02:04,079 your instruments, you will probably wind up upside down 38 00:02:04,079 --> 00:02:11,549 with within about seven seconds because of vertigo. And the end, 39 00:02:11,549 --> 00:02:14,669 the vertigo thing, or as we call it, the liens is really quite 40 00:02:14,669 --> 00:02:18,059 interesting. Because, you know, when you're flying in the you 41 00:02:18,059 --> 00:02:24,119 know, in IMC, so instrument, media meteorological conditions, 42 00:02:25,229 --> 00:02:27,839 you basically have to look at your horizon and keep the 43 00:02:27,839 --> 00:02:31,889 aircraft level and you you don't look out outside. In fact, you 44 00:02:31,889 --> 00:02:35,549 don't even move your head very, very much. Because every 45 00:02:35,549 --> 00:02:39,239 movement you make with your head could cause vertigo. And it's I 46 00:02:39,239 --> 00:02:42,449 mean, if you're trained in it, you you recognise it and you 47 00:02:42,449 --> 00:02:45,389 don't do anything wrong. But you still have the same feeling. 48 00:02:45,389 --> 00:02:48,569 It's like, I feel like the aircraft is leaning to the left, 49 00:02:48,569 --> 00:02:51,299 you know, we're really it's leaning to the right or doing 50 00:02:51,299 --> 00:02:54,329 something else. It's a very weird sensation. But once you're 51 00:02:54,329 --> 00:02:55,679 past it, it's pretty cool. 52 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,180 Well, good. Well, then I'll feel more comfortable flying with 53 00:03:00,180 --> 00:03:00,450 you. 54 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,650 Would you really get on with me? You fly with me? Wouldn't you? 55 00:03:05,190 --> 00:03:09,870 Yeah. Your your safety oriented to have you know, and you have 56 00:03:09,870 --> 00:03:13,380 the, you know, crazy. So let's talk a little bit about no 57 00:03:13,380 --> 00:03:17,070 agenda at the programme. No agenda? Yeah, you heard of 58 00:03:17,069 --> 00:03:21,269 it? Yeah, surely, along with some 35,000 other people. 59 00:03:22,740 --> 00:03:25,350 So I've been getting a lot of you know, since I'm doing a lot 60 00:03:25,350 --> 00:03:29,760 of twittering, as you do, I've been getting a lot of commentary 61 00:03:29,790 --> 00:03:35,490 regarding the concept of no agenda. And what it means. Well, 62 00:03:35,490 --> 00:03:38,340 that's the answer. Okay. Yeah, that was, uh, well, I, in fact, 63 00:03:38,340 --> 00:03:41,880 I said on Twitter or on a tweet or Twitter tweet, whatever the 64 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:46,560 hell you want to call it. A tutor earlier that I'm going to 65 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,280 explain what no agenda means. And then somebody you know, Uber 66 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:54,150 chick, I think is who it was one of my followers. She said, well, 67 00:03:54,150 --> 00:03:56,430 then then you did by doing it by even saying that that means you 68 00:03:56,430 --> 00:03:59,550 have an agenda. And see this way. So this one, when I've 69 00:03:59,550 --> 00:04:02,190 tried to point out is that we're talking about agenda and the 70 00:04:02,190 --> 00:04:06,150 medicines, we're not talking about a show that has no list of 71 00:04:06,150 --> 00:04:08,580 things to talk about, or things that we're maybe going to 72 00:04:08,580 --> 00:04:11,970 discuss here and there. But why no agenda? We mean, we don't 73 00:04:11,970 --> 00:04:15,810 have like some sort of a, you know, a, a meta agenda. Like, 74 00:04:15,810 --> 00:04:18,330 we're not trying to sell something. We're not trying to 75 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,990 get somebody in office. We're not trying to do anything, you 76 00:04:21,990 --> 00:04:25,050 know, we're not scheming and by agenda in this sense, I mean, 77 00:04:25,050 --> 00:04:27,960 scheming. Planning, plotting? Yeah. Because 78 00:04:27,990 --> 00:04:30,720 every first of all, it's entertainment. Every show we do 79 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,540 is intended to entertain the audience one way or the other. 80 00:04:33,870 --> 00:04:37,050 And I think you're right, you know, when you do an 81 00:04:37,050 --> 00:04:40,050 entertainment show you of course, there's some planning, 82 00:04:40,050 --> 00:04:43,800 but the thing that's interesting about this is we typically plan 83 00:04:44,430 --> 00:04:47,010 separately. So I have a couple of things. John has a couple of 84 00:04:47,010 --> 00:04:50,760 things. And but we don't discuss the topics offline and that but 85 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:52,950 that has nothing to do with the agenda just has to do with the 86 00:04:52,950 --> 00:04:54,450 freshness of the conversation. 87 00:04:55,050 --> 00:04:58,290 Right? We don't Yeah, and we do. I mean, sometimes like last 88 00:04:58,290 --> 00:05:00,540 week, I don't think either one of us had a list of anything to 89 00:05:00,540 --> 00:05:02,820 talk about, in fact, the show took a good half hour before I 90 00:05:02,820 --> 00:05:06,060 got off the ground. And I also want to mention the fact that 91 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:10,620 because we're doing it on Skype, the there, it does take a little 92 00:05:10,620 --> 00:05:13,620 it takes more than a few minutes before the two of us actually 93 00:05:13,620 --> 00:05:18,000 sing in. Yep, absolutely. Right. Yeah, with the timing of talking 94 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:22,860 to somebody who's who's who is who is out of phase. Now, you 95 00:05:22,860 --> 00:05:25,410 know, the end, you know, even with ISDN, I think we'd be out 96 00:05:25,410 --> 00:05:26,250 of phase because I 97 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,800 just say one thing about that, because I'm glad you brought 98 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,320 that up. Because a lot of I learned a lot about ISDN. And 99 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,540 I've been working with it for the past week doing this thing 100 00:05:33,540 --> 00:05:38,490 for for Arrow, classic rock in the Netherlands. And I do that 101 00:05:38,490 --> 00:05:45,030 with with an ISDN connection. And the delay is literally 60 102 00:05:45,030 --> 00:05:48,450 milliseconds. So it's it's it is like sitting next to someone 103 00:05:48,450 --> 00:05:52,320 there is no delay or the delay is so minimal, that your brain 104 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:53,610 adjusts to it within seconds. 105 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,280 But that's the delay from there to the Netherlands is not to 106 00:05:56,280 --> 00:05:59,160 delay from there to the to California, which has got to be 107 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,800 one of the longest distances, one of the longest throws for 108 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:06,360 ISDN. There is. And I have seen these overseas, kind of just 109 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:06,690 things. 110 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,910 Because I have learned something here, that delay even to 111 00:06:11,940 --> 00:06:15,210 California would still be minimal. And the reason why 112 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,060 because this is what I've learned. The reason why is you 113 00:06:18,060 --> 00:06:22,020 are actually getting a, you know, to dedicated 64 kilobits 114 00:06:22,020 --> 00:06:24,120 circuits, you know, there's there's no routing, there's no 115 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,330 buffering of routers, and of course, there's no waiting for 116 00:06:27,330 --> 00:06:33,480 packets that were lost along the way. So when I consider the and 117 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,870 it's by the way, it's using an AAC codec, you know, so it's a 118 00:06:36,870 --> 00:06:39,660 it's a kind of an open standard. And it's available everywhere. 119 00:06:39,660 --> 00:06:47,610 When I consider though. How easy the, the ISDN codec makers have 120 00:06:47,610 --> 00:06:50,070 it, you know, these these boxes because of that dedicated 121 00:06:50,070 --> 00:06:54,270 circuit, I have to say, what the guys of Skype have done coming 122 00:06:54,270 --> 00:06:56,880 up with what is it maybe 600 milliseconds, a little more than 123 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,780 half a second it feels like and you can even hear it on the 124 00:07:00,780 --> 00:07:03,450 show. Sometimes, you know, when when one of the most responds to 125 00:07:03,450 --> 00:07:06,450 the other usually with laughter there is just that split second 126 00:07:06,450 --> 00:07:09,270 delay that it's almost sometimes I'll I'll say something, I'm 127 00:07:09,270 --> 00:07:11,610 like, wow, I really bombed on that joke, but then you'll then 128 00:07:11,610 --> 00:07:14,340 the laugh will come in. But still those guys at Skype have 129 00:07:14,340 --> 00:07:18,600 done a phenomenal job with with minimising the latency. 130 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,950 I agree. But it would be probably if we did it actually, 131 00:07:22,950 --> 00:07:26,790 if we ever make money on this show, I'll put ISDN in. And you 132 00:07:26,790 --> 00:07:29,820 know, as long as I said we'll do it that way, because it would be 133 00:07:29,820 --> 00:07:32,460 a little better, but it would only be incrementally better, 134 00:07:32,460 --> 00:07:35,640 but it would be better. I agree because a direct shot between 135 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:40,860 you and because PTP is not really PTP on on the internet, 136 00:07:40,860 --> 00:07:44,520 it's like, yeah, it's kind of p2p, but it's jumping around all 137 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:45,990 over the place. In the meantime, 138 00:07:46,020 --> 00:07:49,320 right at the bottom layer, the actual packet layer is jumping 139 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:49,710 around. 140 00:07:50,190 --> 00:07:52,740 Yeah, it's all what was being passed around the way it works. 141 00:07:53,100 --> 00:07:56,190 And but anyway, right, we actually have a faster 142 00:07:56,190 --> 00:08:02,940 connection. Now I got my Comcast boosted and to 16 and three, 143 00:08:03,060 --> 00:08:07,140 which is pretty, but when I tested it against the English 144 00:08:07,140 --> 00:08:12,810 servers, I was getting four and point five, which is still 145 00:08:12,810 --> 00:08:14,460 better than I was going to have before 146 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,490 i When did you boost this? Do we have it last week as well? 147 00:08:17,850 --> 00:08:20,670 No, no, I got a boosted like, yesterday on Friday. Okay, 148 00:08:20,670 --> 00:08:21,240 because last week, 149 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,670 we I think we had a show without, you know, knock on wood 150 00:08:23,670 --> 00:08:26,130 and don't don't invite the boogey man. And but last week, 151 00:08:26,130 --> 00:08:28,680 we had almost a flawless connection the whole way 152 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:29,100 through. 153 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:33,780 Yeah, I think it was because at what time do we do? That much 154 00:08:33,780 --> 00:08:35,940 difference? I think I think it fell apart once and that which 155 00:08:35,940 --> 00:08:38,730 brings me to another point. Well, let me finish the latency 156 00:08:38,730 --> 00:08:41,850 thing first. Because a lot of you know one of the worst kinds 157 00:08:41,850 --> 00:08:45,330 of latencies is these are when you see it on broadcasting with 158 00:08:45,330 --> 00:08:48,570 the summer that's exactly one of the cheapest connections you can 159 00:08:48,570 --> 00:08:53,190 make. It's very inexpensive to do a satellite link up and and 160 00:08:53,190 --> 00:08:55,770 anyone can do it because you can have a truck near come out and 161 00:08:55,770 --> 00:08:59,670 put a satellite in your front yard. And you can but the delay 162 00:08:59,670 --> 00:09:01,770 is unbelievably painful. 163 00:09:01,890 --> 00:09:05,070 Yeah, that's probably one and a half to two seconds. 164 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,720 Yeah, it's horrible. Now on to us. We have some critics out 165 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,170 there and and I wanted to answer a question that came up in their 166 00:09:13,560 --> 00:09:15,570 discussion, which is 167 00:09:16,349 --> 00:09:19,619 we have critics Robert Yeah. I think 168 00:09:19,620 --> 00:09:21,960 that's a good sign because that means we have a lot of listeners 169 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:23,790 and there's a lot of people that let's face it don't like either 170 00:09:23,790 --> 00:09:28,890 one of us. But anyway, but anyway, the the thing is we do 171 00:09:28,890 --> 00:09:31,890 this show straight up. We don't we do not stop. 172 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,240 I've heard that I'm like we don't coffee breaks. 173 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:40,020 Now what happens now this this does happen. And if you think 174 00:09:40,020 --> 00:09:42,090 you're hearing an edit is for the following reason, because it 175 00:09:42,090 --> 00:09:44,940 happened didn't happen. I don't think last week, but it might 176 00:09:44,940 --> 00:09:47,760 have once in a while be yakking away yakking away and then the 177 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:51,030 next thing you know being the connection is dead, the Skype 178 00:09:51,030 --> 00:09:55,680 connections dead. We rehook up you know without taking a break 179 00:09:55,830 --> 00:10:00,330 and ends try to start at the exact same point where we got We 180 00:10:00,330 --> 00:10:01,710 lost the connection. In fact, 181 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,580 I'll even count John in on on a thought that he's making. 182 00:10:05,580 --> 00:10:07,800 They'll say, oh, you know, let them hear that piece or I'll 183 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,350 say, Okay, this is this is the word that we're going to edit it 184 00:10:10,350 --> 00:10:14,730 on. compagno punch back in on. And I'll count them down and say 185 00:10:14,730 --> 00:10:17,940 321, and then I hit record and then you just pick up pick it up 186 00:10:17,940 --> 00:10:19,290 literally with the same thought, 187 00:10:19,830 --> 00:10:23,040 right? And then, and then people have to realise that we're not 188 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,220 really interested in over producing a show like this, 189 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,980 because it works the way it works. And we don't end up once 190 00:10:28,980 --> 00:10:31,680 you start producing or you can just imagine bringing somebody 191 00:10:31,680 --> 00:10:34,620 in as a producer. Well, I think you guys out a punch it up, we 192 00:10:34,620 --> 00:10:38,250 should need some jingles in the middle. You know? Oh, you'd have 193 00:10:38,250 --> 00:10:40,620 you do the hour and a half. And that was pretty good. Let's do a 194 00:10:40,620 --> 00:10:46,620 safety. Another hour and a half. So 195 00:10:47,970 --> 00:10:52,080 that was I'm laughing John, because for eight years that 196 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:56,880 MTV, whenever we did something on location, I there's nothing I 197 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,720 hated more, particularly if it was an on location situation 198 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,840 where maybe I'd just done an event even though sometimes they 199 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,560 would even call for after an interview. But usually you doing 200 00:11:07,560 --> 00:11:10,650 segments, and then every single producer would say, wow, hey, 201 00:11:10,650 --> 00:11:13,110 that was really good. Great. That was right on the money. 202 00:11:13,260 --> 00:11:16,440 Let's just do one more for safety. I'm like, What the fuck? 203 00:11:16,530 --> 00:11:17,490 I hate that. 204 00:11:18,900 --> 00:11:22,230 pic. And then some guy in this in the booth? Yeah, 205 00:11:22,560 --> 00:11:24,750 they pick the wrong damn exactly. 206 00:11:24,750 --> 00:11:27,630 I was gonna say they always pick the wrong one. 207 00:11:28,140 --> 00:11:31,290 Which is part of the reasons why I really started to despise 208 00:11:31,290 --> 00:11:34,320 television for a while just you have no control unless you 209 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,960 literally sit on top of it and control everything, which is 210 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:37,920 very tiresome. 211 00:11:38,820 --> 00:11:41,760 Well, you run into that with photography and magazines, too. 212 00:11:42,210 --> 00:11:45,000 They they'll take those shoot, do they say like, we need a new 213 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,490 portrait for your whatever your call them. And they'll shoot 214 00:11:47,490 --> 00:11:51,390 1000 photos. And in there, they'll be like five that are 215 00:11:51,390 --> 00:11:54,960 really outstanding. And they never pick those by the unit. 216 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:56,910 You say I want one of these five, they always pick some 217 00:11:56,910 --> 00:11:59,880 other one that just like I don't, my ears aren't that big. 218 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:01,920 You know, why are you picking this picture? You 219 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:06,120 know how I saw that you may have noticed? Recently, a lot of 220 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,640 requests have come in, you know, I've been done been doing some 221 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,160 interviews and they always say do you have a picture? Sometimes 222 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,500 they really insist that they take the picture, which is where 223 00:12:13,500 --> 00:12:17,940 it gets kind of tricky. But every year, and my wife really 224 00:12:17,940 --> 00:12:20,910 got me into this. We have a photographer, she's been working 225 00:12:20,910 --> 00:12:24,930 with 30 years, he did all of her Playboy pictures and whatever. 226 00:12:25,350 --> 00:12:29,280 And, you know, so we'll do a couple of different series of 227 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,490 pictures. She'll you know, she'll do ers and and I'll do 228 00:12:32,490 --> 00:12:35,520 mine. And you know, the deal you make with photographers look, 229 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,420 you know, I'm gonna give these away, too. Normally, you would 230 00:12:39,420 --> 00:12:42,540 pay for them? Well, we know this guy so long. You know, we'll 231 00:12:42,540 --> 00:12:45,360 give them away to press and he gets a photo credit, you know, 232 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,580 he doesn't really need the money necessarily, but then you have 233 00:12:47,580 --> 00:12:52,020 total control over it and 88 out of 10 times that a picture is 234 00:12:52,020 --> 00:12:54,360 needed for stuff like that. They'll take yours. 235 00:12:55,560 --> 00:12:58,320 Yeah, no, that's true. In fact, I have one posted on on the web. 236 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,180 When people say to you, you need to point it out. Yeah, it's like 237 00:13:00,180 --> 00:13:04,350 a huge JPEG. And they just let them go get it. I bet it's not 238 00:13:04,350 --> 00:13:07,350 even one of the better ones. But I have a bunch. I had a guy who 239 00:13:07,350 --> 00:13:10,080 used to be like the same kind of photographer I always demand 240 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:14,310 that they use him was Tom O'Brien. He used to be in Los 241 00:13:14,310 --> 00:13:16,500 Angeles. I can't find them now. I don't know where they went. 242 00:13:16,830 --> 00:13:20,400 And But anyway, he used to be a food. He used to take some of 243 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,040 the best pictures of food. And he also worked for a couple of 244 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,680 the game companies but he's his portrait taking was 245 00:13:25,680 --> 00:13:28,020 unbelievable. I mean, this guy could just was a natural. It's 246 00:13:28,020 --> 00:13:31,170 like you take a 500 pictures of you and they were all good. 247 00:13:31,230 --> 00:13:34,050 Yeah. And that's what it was then you couldn't pick one 248 00:13:34,050 --> 00:13:36,270 because it was like Jesus, it looks I look pretty good here. 249 00:13:36,660 --> 00:13:37,680 But anyways, take some 250 00:13:37,680 --> 00:13:41,400 time. You know, you have to work with a photographer, you know, 251 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,160 it takes a little while to get a vibe going between you and it 252 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:44,910 really makes it there's 253 00:13:44,910 --> 00:13:47,580 there's I think there's I think there's more to it than that. 254 00:13:47,580 --> 00:13:50,460 And I think what it is I think there's a lot of non talented 255 00:13:50,460 --> 00:13:51,750 photographers out there too. 256 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,960 Yeah, usually when it comes down to the lighting, obviously 257 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,620 that's where I think the the men are separated from the boys 258 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,680 lighting and they can't bring anything out of you one of the 259 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:05,640 guys who was you know, I actually one of the I worked 260 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:07,560 with Jim Marshall actually became his friend. He's the 261 00:14:07,560 --> 00:14:09,390 famous rock'n'roll photographers. And when I got 262 00:14:09,390 --> 00:14:11,970 the Jimi Hendrix picture of him lighting the guitar, all this 263 00:14:11,970 --> 00:14:16,290 photos are in the Hard Rock in Las Vegas. And Marshall is a 264 00:14:16,290 --> 00:14:20,340 character if anyone knows him. I mean, he's like, you know, mean 265 00:14:20,340 --> 00:14:24,150 and you know, but he's but he but he did us a bunch of 266 00:14:24,150 --> 00:14:29,130 pictures of me for micro times. And he's the guy is such a good 267 00:14:29,130 --> 00:14:31,440 photographer in every which way that it's like it's just 268 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,320 unbelievable. And it was like he didn't even take that many 269 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,350 pictures. He's one of these guys I work with a guy wants a shot. 270 00:14:38,940 --> 00:14:42,480 I had a picture taken. Now we're getting this drive the audience 271 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:47,130 nuts but I had a picture taken at the absolute other extreme of 272 00:14:47,130 --> 00:14:51,780 the guy who takes 1000 photos. It was a setup shot for a giant 273 00:14:51,780 --> 00:14:55,920 blow up of me's to sell my first telecom book in the mid 80s. And 274 00:14:55,920 --> 00:15:01,290 a guy shot on just camera but there was a sign I have a house 275 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,010 with a, you know, it's just a basically a 12 inch negative. 276 00:15:05,070 --> 00:15:07,620 Oh yeah, of course for the resolution. Absolutely. 277 00:15:07,890 --> 00:15:10,830 Right. And he goes in there, he sets the shot, they put makeup 278 00:15:10,830 --> 00:15:13,050 on you, they set you this way they take make his ba ba boom, 279 00:15:13,410 --> 00:15:16,710 bang one shot. And, 280 00:15:16,830 --> 00:15:19,470 and that one negative cost $87. 281 00:15:20,070 --> 00:15:23,400 Whatever it cost, I don't know, but this shot was perfect. Oh, 282 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,860 um, it's just the complete opposite of the guys who shoot a 283 00:15:25,860 --> 00:15:27,870 million and try to find a one. I mean, I'm one of those 284 00:15:27,870 --> 00:15:32,430 photographers I take a lot, I've decided that I, I'd my eyes 285 00:15:32,430 --> 00:15:36,060 fair. And I do nail stuff with one shot. But for the most part, 286 00:15:36,060 --> 00:15:38,460 if you take a million pictures, you're gonna have a much better 287 00:15:38,460 --> 00:15:40,560 chance of finding one or two really good ones. So 288 00:15:40,590 --> 00:15:45,840 so our guy whose name was COVID, the ROAs. He he's a he's been a 289 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:49,200 hassle blog guy, all his all his life, which is obviously a brand 290 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,920 new, very professional, inexpensive camera. And about 291 00:15:53,130 --> 00:15:56,940 three years ago, he finally purchased the digital back 292 00:15:57,060 --> 00:16:01,290 wishes. That's like a $50,000 thing. But so, you know, it 293 00:16:01,290 --> 00:16:03,960 takes he's really, really high resolution, but still with the 294 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,470 hustle blood warmth and how they do it. I'm not quite sure. And 295 00:16:07,500 --> 00:16:10,530 you know, and obviously, you just get better results, because 296 00:16:10,530 --> 00:16:13,380 indeed, you just fire off, you know, I will do 200 shots and 297 00:16:13,380 --> 00:16:15,360 yeah, you're gonna find something just perfect. 298 00:16:17,190 --> 00:16:20,280 So, how do we get to this part? How do we get to this off this 299 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:20,580 trial? 300 00:16:20,610 --> 00:16:22,650 Well, let me just say, well, I'll take it back a little bit 301 00:16:22,650 --> 00:16:26,460 and say we did edit one part last week, I was just thinking, 302 00:16:26,910 --> 00:16:29,400 and this has happened maybe one other time before on your end, 303 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:35,190 my wife actually called me and it was more than like 30 seconds 304 00:16:35,190 --> 00:16:37,140 you know, she had there was something important she had to 305 00:16:37,140 --> 00:16:42,270 tell me so it probably my phone rang right and and so I and and 306 00:16:42,270 --> 00:16:45,210 you said you even said in the show, let's remember to cut that 307 00:16:45,210 --> 00:16:49,050 out. And I'll tell you that when I was preparing the show for 308 00:16:50,070 --> 00:16:53,520 post to post compression everything to send it up to 309 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,850 upload it. I listened to that piece and I really thought for a 310 00:16:56,850 --> 00:16:59,550 second was kind of cool to let it in. But I thought but you 311 00:16:59,550 --> 00:17:01,500 know, it's really like two minutes you know, it's like 312 00:17:01,500 --> 00:17:04,410 boring so I could cut a piece out and I might just cut the 313 00:17:04,410 --> 00:17:07,140 whole piece out. But that was it. There was no there's there's 314 00:17:07,140 --> 00:17:09,510 no other right it's your right straight up straight through. 315 00:17:10,110 --> 00:17:13,890 Right now. It's 10 past eight Saturday evening where I am. 316 00:17:16,260 --> 00:17:20,970 It's towards noon here. So right yeah. Which is you know this 317 00:17:20,970 --> 00:17:27,060 actually we're doing the show late but I lose you're so out 318 00:17:27,060 --> 00:17:34,590 there. So I read a slow Saluzzi Yes. sent me a twit. She was on 319 00:17:34,590 --> 00:17:36,030 this cranky geeks recently. 320 00:17:36,210 --> 00:17:39,090 I haven't seen it in a while. Cool. I like that. Oh, you 321 00:17:39,090 --> 00:17:42,480 actually watched last week's it was actually quite good with all 322 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:46,140 malloc. Anyway, when she was on she just sent a note to me. She 323 00:17:46,140 --> 00:17:49,200 got her second marriage proposal out of the appearance on the 324 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:49,650 show. 325 00:17:51,450 --> 00:17:53,610 But a serious one I've got like a really I don't 326 00:17:53,610 --> 00:17:55,350 know. I mean, I would just maybe this would be some way to 327 00:17:55,350 --> 00:17:56,940 getting more women to do this show. 328 00:17:57,870 --> 00:18:01,050 So we need more women in tech. 329 00:18:01,710 --> 00:18:05,880 Well, he well there's a there's definitely a shortage. So 330 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:11,700 anyway, so I'll start to talk to talk about real topics. I want 331 00:18:11,700 --> 00:18:15,630 to go on I want to talk about this. So this guy Tom has Derek 332 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:21,990 or no dick Crick, D C Ric k dot turns out to be Belgian. Okay. 333 00:18:22,590 --> 00:18:28,620 So he has first me to note about use of the term Pooh poohing 334 00:18:28,860 --> 00:18:31,980 which I guess bothers the Belgians when they hear it in 335 00:18:31,980 --> 00:18:35,700 English and I'm not absolutely sure why. But he thought oh, I 336 00:18:35,700 --> 00:18:37,950 know. Yeah, you've been Pooh poohing that you know, kind of 337 00:18:37,950 --> 00:18:40,380 thing. I know. Okay, why? 338 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:46,890 Because in Flemish, if we're talking about the the Dutch 339 00:18:46,890 --> 00:18:54,330 speaking side of the country, a poop is your ass. Yeah. So when 340 00:18:54,330 --> 00:18:57,510 you just said it Pooh poohing it's like asking kind of, 341 00:18:58,050 --> 00:19:02,220 oh, okay, well then that problem he thought even saying pissing 342 00:19:02,220 --> 00:19:07,800 on which is a British Common Americans don't say that. He 343 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,800 thought was better, but I Okay, well, now at least I know. 344 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,860 Anyway, but in the process of the I Will I went back and forth 345 00:19:13,860 --> 00:19:17,010 with him on this because I was you know, I like saying it 346 00:19:17,340 --> 00:19:21,330 because it's it's effective. But he mentioned the things in what 347 00:19:21,330 --> 00:19:27,000 is the deal with all this kind of there's like a bunch of news 348 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:32,640 stories about George Bush went to the I guess, the Knesset or 349 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,490 is in Israel and he made this comment about appeasement to 350 00:19:35,490 --> 00:19:39,150 Hitler without saying anything about anyone. And I don't even 351 00:19:39,150 --> 00:19:42,330 know why he's saying this but next thing you know, Obama is 352 00:19:42,330 --> 00:19:45,960 coming off the off the walls going on saying it was a direct 353 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,950 slam at him. He's not, you know about appeasement and, and then 354 00:19:49,980 --> 00:19:52,740 Hillary came on, you know, and it's distinct has become this 355 00:19:52,740 --> 00:19:55,350 kind of a weird little Firestorm. And I said to him 356 00:19:55,350 --> 00:19:57,870 initially, I don't I don't know what the big deal is one way or 357 00:19:57,870 --> 00:20:00,690 the other. It seems as though just a bunch of political crap 358 00:20:01,950 --> 00:20:06,330 going on and I don't even know why Obama volunteered. I mean, 359 00:20:06,330 --> 00:20:10,230 he was almost got it which makes me think that maybe there's 360 00:20:10,260 --> 00:20:13,290 there's some interesting Beatty not only submitted anyway, let 361 00:20:13,290 --> 00:20:14,220 me stop for a second. 362 00:20:14,670 --> 00:20:17,040 Look, can I just say one thing just because you're actually had 363 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:23,640 to do this appeasement to bring to a state of peace, quiet ease 364 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:29,160 calm or contentment to satisfy a lay or relieve to yield or 365 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:34,290 concede to the belligerent demands of right now, we have an 366 00:20:34,290 --> 00:20:35,520 international audience. 367 00:20:36,090 --> 00:20:40,020 Yes. Now, here's the deal that's been cropping up on right wing 368 00:20:40,020 --> 00:20:44,160 talk shows. And I'm gonna give you the whole overall, what I 369 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,530 believe is a reverse marketing thing going on here by the 370 00:20:46,530 --> 00:20:48,600 Republican Party, and I think it's gonna be quite interesting 371 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,580 when you hear it my whole spiel 372 00:20:50,670 --> 00:20:53,580 is that means Shut up, out and let me talk. No, 373 00:20:53,580 --> 00:20:55,920 no, I want you to interrupt every chance when, especially 374 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,950 when I go a little bit. It's, it's a funny thing to say, but, 375 00:20:59,250 --> 00:21:01,770 but yeah, interrupt me, okay, because I'm gonna be throwing a 376 00:21:01,770 --> 00:21:04,230 bunch of English stuff in here. Here's what's happening. One of 377 00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:06,300 the things that the right wing talk show guys are doing is 378 00:21:06,300 --> 00:21:09,870 they've reintroduced to the American psyche, Neville 379 00:21:09,900 --> 00:21:14,370 Chamberlain. Now, Neville Chamberlain is the guy best 380 00:21:14,370 --> 00:21:17,640 known and he still kind of in the history books as the guy who 381 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:23,220 kind of appeased Hitler on behalf of the British. Now, 382 00:21:24,210 --> 00:21:26,940 nobody remembers this guy and young voters definitely don't 383 00:21:26,940 --> 00:21:31,440 remember this guy. He was AC dead in 1940. Before I've the 384 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,510 oldest guy in the room, and he was dead before I went long 385 00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:38,280 before I was born. And but somehow, and they're they're not 386 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,410 they're playing on one of the shows, I heard him actually 387 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:47,160 playing a Neville Chamberlain speech. And this is, you know, 388 00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:50,730 this was the speech was from 1938, or something like that, 389 00:21:50,730 --> 00:21:53,880 or, you know, Chamberlain died in 40. Right after his keeping 390 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,550 within six months of after he was like, essentially kicked out 391 00:21:56,550 --> 00:22:00,300 of office. He was prime minister. He was dead. Oh, by 392 00:22:00,300 --> 00:22:03,330 the way, I went into Wikipedia just to do a shaggy dog version 393 00:22:03,330 --> 00:22:07,560 of the story. This is why Wikipedia is kind of funny. I'm 394 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:11,340 gonna read you a two sentences, or actually one sentence two 395 00:22:11,340 --> 00:22:15,930 sentences from the early life of Neville Chamberlain as as it's 396 00:22:15,930 --> 00:22:19,830 stated in Wikipedia. Chamberlain was not listen carefully. 397 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:24,480 Chamberlain was born in a house called South born in the ED 398 00:22:24,510 --> 00:22:27,960 Bastian I can't pronounce it district of Birmingham, England. 399 00:22:28,050 --> 00:22:31,350 He was the eldest son of the second marriage of Joseph 400 00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:35,430 Chamberlain, Lord Mayor of Birmingham, ham, and I have 401 00:22:35,460 --> 00:22:41,700 brother later, sir Austin. So in other words, Chamberlain was was 402 00:22:41,700 --> 00:22:48,390 the son of two guys. The way it's the way it's written. You 403 00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:51,810 gotta love what you do. It's just it's just a need an editor. 404 00:22:51,810 --> 00:22:53,250 It's just what we say. 405 00:22:53,250 --> 00:22:57,000 We would say Neville Chamberlain would turn over in his grave, my 406 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:57,690 friends. 407 00:22:59,370 --> 00:23:01,980 So anyway, that is just it's just worded funny. But anyway, 408 00:23:01,980 --> 00:23:03,690 they go on it says mothers actually 409 00:23:03,989 --> 00:23:08,069 kind of just say that. I'm desperately searching. I can 410 00:23:08,069 --> 00:23:11,999 recall something some news in the UK in the past few weeks. 411 00:23:12,029 --> 00:23:14,489 Also someone referring to Neville Chamberlain. So I'm 412 00:23:14,489 --> 00:23:16,829 trying to find that reference while you're telling the story. 413 00:23:17,489 --> 00:23:20,039 Yeah, okay. So never Neville Chamberlain is back into the 414 00:23:20,039 --> 00:23:23,549 picture. Now. I've started to think about this at first, when 415 00:23:23,549 --> 00:23:27,539 I when the crick brought this up, I said is not a big deal, 416 00:23:27,539 --> 00:23:31,169 just the way it goes. But I'm thinking about maybe not, this 417 00:23:31,169 --> 00:23:34,379 actually may be part of a scheme, because the Republicans 418 00:23:34,379 --> 00:23:37,949 have done this better than anybody else, which is to tag 419 00:23:37,949 --> 00:23:43,349 somebody with a moniker that they can't shake. flip flopper, 420 00:23:43,379 --> 00:23:49,199 for example, with John Kerry. And the idea of being an 421 00:23:49,199 --> 00:23:52,409 appeaser or an a you know, even though it's not the world's 422 00:23:52,409 --> 00:23:54,299 greatest thing that sticks on words, because it's kind of hard 423 00:23:54,299 --> 00:23:59,279 to stop pieces and appeaser permit this may be the beginning 424 00:23:59,279 --> 00:24:02,759 of tagging Obama with an appeaser and he seems to have 425 00:24:02,759 --> 00:24:06,749 taken the bait on this. Now he's either aware of the fact that 426 00:24:06,749 --> 00:24:09,119 they're going to try to tag him with this, and he's going to be 427 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:13,199 stuck with this moniker right into the election. And this this 428 00:24:13,199 --> 00:24:15,449 film was how Oh, God is in appeasers gonna be like Neville 429 00:24:15,449 --> 00:24:17,309 Chamberlain is going to take his you know, we're gonna be in war 430 00:24:17,309 --> 00:24:22,949 because of this guy. He may have reacted to the to the early 431 00:24:22,949 --> 00:24:28,289 salvo which was in fact the bush speech in Israel. He may have 432 00:24:28,289 --> 00:24:30,449 reacted but he may have overreacted or he may have 433 00:24:30,449 --> 00:24:33,569 reacted because he was told to like kill this before it got out 434 00:24:33,569 --> 00:24:36,719 of control but in fact because Hillary jumped on the bandwagon 435 00:24:36,809 --> 00:24:41,039 and shook her finger at Bush is made it actually worse so who I 436 00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:42,329 think would who would Obama 437 00:24:42,330 --> 00:24:43,710 actually be appeasing 438 00:24:44,790 --> 00:24:48,360 Obama went on a bit in some minor way saying that he wants 439 00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:53,160 to talk to the head of Iran that guy okay, okay guys his name you 440 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:54,900 know if you're not pronouncing it every day, you'll never 441 00:24:54,900 --> 00:24:58,410 pronounce Medina job. Yeah, that guy he says he's you know, it's 442 00:24:58,410 --> 00:25:00,870 a good you know, we should be talking about Add to the table 443 00:25:00,870 --> 00:25:02,850 we should be, you know, that kind of thing. And this guy, Tag 444 00:25:02,850 --> 00:25:05,520 Manager has already been associated with the Hitler by 445 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,490 the right wingers in the US, you know, and he acts like a Hitler 446 00:25:08,490 --> 00:25:11,100 to him in terms of his, you know, hatred of the Jews and he 447 00:25:11,100 --> 00:25:13,230 wants to blow up Israel and wipe them off the map and all this 448 00:25:13,230 --> 00:25:14,550 kind of thing. stuff doesn't fly. 449 00:25:14,580 --> 00:25:17,400 But of course, he really, he has no real power in Iran, but 450 00:25:19,109 --> 00:25:23,009 well, we don't care about the facts. But anyway, so true. So 451 00:25:23,009 --> 00:25:26,729 the so so by even talking about this guy is like somebody we 452 00:25:26,729 --> 00:25:30,089 should talk bring to the table. That's an appeaser he was was 453 00:25:30,089 --> 00:25:33,419 he. So they're trying to associate him wanting to talk to 454 00:25:33,419 --> 00:25:36,869 this maniac as the same as Neville Chamberlain talking 455 00:25:36,869 --> 00:25:39,659 about coming back with a phoney baloney paper and then having 456 00:25:39,659 --> 00:25:44,549 the Netherlands attack the next day. So so so this is all and so 457 00:25:44,549 --> 00:25:47,309 I'm now thinking this is all part of a long term strategy by 458 00:25:47,309 --> 00:25:50,819 the Republicans to get to put tag this guy with this 459 00:25:50,819 --> 00:25:54,539 particular moniker. And I think, you know, it's already working. 460 00:25:54,899 --> 00:25:57,899 So I mean, there is already one strike against Obama. And I 461 00:25:57,899 --> 00:26:00,179 think Hillary jumped on the bandwagon because she still has 462 00:26:00,179 --> 00:26:03,569 high hopes of everybody bailing out at the last minute, you 463 00:26:03,569 --> 00:26:06,719 know, she can still technically get the nomination. But of 464 00:26:06,719 --> 00:26:08,969 course, you know, she hasn't neither one of these people are 465 00:26:08,969 --> 00:26:13,139 electable in my opinion, anyway, but it's going to it's gifted 466 00:26:13,139 --> 00:26:16,259 starting this soon with this kind of thing. In other words, 467 00:26:16,259 --> 00:26:19,919 his opinion piece Montag. I can't imagine what it's going to 468 00:26:19,919 --> 00:26:21,839 be like three or four months from now, when we get down to 469 00:26:21,839 --> 00:26:25,469 the wire. I mean, Obama's going to look like a paedophile or 470 00:26:25,469 --> 00:26:27,419 something. I don't know how they're gonna do it. Well, 471 00:26:28,229 --> 00:26:31,949 it's interesting. You say that, because I don't think the I 472 00:26:31,949 --> 00:26:34,019 understand the monochrome understand the reference the 473 00:26:34,019 --> 00:26:39,509 historical significance. I don't think the average, you know, as 474 00:26:39,509 --> 00:26:42,689 you already pointed out, the average voter, let's say, well, 475 00:26:42,689 --> 00:26:46,649 it's just anyone under 35, under 40, for that matter, they may 476 00:26:46,649 --> 00:26:51,149 not even really understand what the appease appeaser label 477 00:26:51,149 --> 00:26:51,959 means. 478 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,230 I think that's I know, that's what but there's plenty of time 479 00:26:55,230 --> 00:26:58,230 to educate people, months and months and months. I think the 480 00:26:58,230 --> 00:27:01,800 election is what in five years, the anyway, we got plenty of 481 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,010 time to educate people as to what it means and it is a bet in 482 00:27:05,010 --> 00:27:08,070 it. And if it's used in a pejorative way, oh, he's an 483 00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:10,710 appeaser even if you don't know what it means, you know, it's 484 00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:14,100 bad. You know, because always going to be taken as always an 485 00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:16,890 appeal always an appeaser Oh, an appeaser? I don't know what that 486 00:27:16,890 --> 00:27:20,280 means, but it doesn't sound good. And that's kind of the way 487 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,030 these things work. The Democrats have never been able to label 488 00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:27,030 their opponents, the way the Republicans can label their 489 00:27:27,030 --> 00:27:30,540 opponents and make it stick. And it's a it's a, it's all 490 00:27:30,540 --> 00:27:33,540 marketing. It's a very interesting, but it's counter 491 00:27:33,540 --> 00:27:36,390 marketing. It's not, you know, the Democrats are good at, you 492 00:27:36,390 --> 00:27:41,640 know, full fashion, pro active marketing to push an agenda that 493 00:27:42,060 --> 00:27:46,560 Republicans are good at it kind of this, this subtle attack 494 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,930 marketing, which is really more complicated. 495 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,440 It's really it's really word hacking. It's like meme hacking. 496 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,370 It's it's launching phrases and labels and AI memes, I guess, 497 00:27:56,610 --> 00:28:01,410 into the media space and getting it repeated and getting 498 00:28:01,410 --> 00:28:04,860 something to stick. That's kind of it's, it's really social 499 00:28:04,860 --> 00:28:05,580 engineering. 500 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,600 Yes. And they do a much better job. Now, I heard a speech by 501 00:28:10,380 --> 00:28:13,530 what the hell's the name of the Bill Moyers, who's on it, you 502 00:28:13,530 --> 00:28:15,990 know, he was talking to some group of count, you know, these, 503 00:28:16,170 --> 00:28:19,020 one of these journalists, groups of people that write for 504 00:28:19,020 --> 00:28:21,780 counterculture, you know, there's basically with no money. 505 00:28:22,230 --> 00:28:25,230 And he was talking to this group, and they're all there was 506 00:28:25,230 --> 00:28:28,710 a socialist gathering is what it was actually. And he was going 507 00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:33,060 on about how the Republicans have name made all these crazy 508 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,050 phrases, and they throw stuff into the public domain, and it's 509 00:28:37,050 --> 00:28:39,750 just manipulating the public, and we should be aware of it. 510 00:28:39,930 --> 00:28:42,090 But he never mentions the fact that the Democrats are 511 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,750 constantly trying to do this. And they do it more often than 512 00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:48,240 the Republicans do. In fact, and I'll give you a couple of 513 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,340 examples. I don't have my list here. But I do have a list I've 514 00:28:50,340 --> 00:28:54,780 maintained by the way of these phrases. And a couple of them, 515 00:28:54,780 --> 00:28:58,020 for example, that have come up recently. And if you if you 516 00:28:58,020 --> 00:29:03,270 listen to them, they're too they're too intellectual. And 517 00:29:03,270 --> 00:29:05,970 they're also too by the way, the appeasement thing is going to 518 00:29:05,970 --> 00:29:10,830 work even better. When the peaceniks come out, you know, 519 00:29:11,220 --> 00:29:15,270 supporting Obama, it's just gonna reaffirm his base being 520 00:29:15,270 --> 00:29:17,700 all, you know, we just basically wanted to turn the country over 521 00:29:17,730 --> 00:29:18,330 to Iran. 522 00:29:19,740 --> 00:29:23,520 It does kind of make sense, in a way, although, you know, so we 523 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:28,560 had Hillary saying that we should say, the US would 524 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,420 certainly obliterate Iran. 525 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,780 Yes, she was going the other she was not going to put out yeah, 526 00:29:33,810 --> 00:29:37,470 she that was a smart thing for her to say. I mean, it's 527 00:29:38,490 --> 00:29:41,160 not very friendly thing to say, um, to be honest. 528 00:29:41,940 --> 00:29:46,380 But she's not trying to get their vote. Good point. Anyway, 529 00:29:46,380 --> 00:29:49,230 a couple of the items that the Democrats have tried to come up 530 00:29:49,230 --> 00:29:52,950 with right after the 911 You first you saw justice, not 531 00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:56,310 vengeance, which was a little bit much and that was that 532 00:29:56,340 --> 00:29:59,970 bumper sticker was everywhere in Berkeley, and then you have more 533 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,040 Recently, I mean, actually, if you want to go back even 534 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,410 further, they tried to popularise the term and this is 535 00:30:04,410 --> 00:30:07,680 definitely from the Democrat side, they tried to popularise 536 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,730 the term gravi toss, which was never used by a Republican ever 537 00:30:11,730 --> 00:30:14,250 and it meant and it wasn't supposed to, it means well as 538 00:30:14,250 --> 00:30:17,340 gravi toss and as we elect someone who gravi TOS gravi tos, 539 00:30:17,340 --> 00:30:21,930 of course, ended up the public, voted in Bush, kind of a popular 540 00:30:21,930 --> 00:30:25,380 word for a while back in the 70s. I have a feeling, 541 00:30:25,740 --> 00:30:30,510 it's come and gone, but it was it was directly attached to 542 00:30:31,380 --> 00:30:35,490 Cuomo, the Mario Cuomo, he was the grubby tough guy that was 543 00:30:35,490 --> 00:30:39,840 supposed to run in 92. But he saw that Bush was going for a 544 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,510 second term and said, Well, you know, nobody ever beats an 545 00:30:42,510 --> 00:30:45,630 incumbent. And so he didn't run, Clinton won, and that was the 546 00:30:45,630 --> 00:30:49,170 end of Cuomo. But anyway, he had gravi toss. So now the more 547 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,280 gravitas, seriousness, or sobriety as of conduct of 548 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:53,910 speech, 549 00:30:54,510 --> 00:30:59,250 yes, in other words, he can talk without stuttering or mumbling 550 00:30:59,250 --> 00:31:02,970 or saying stupid things. Now the more recent one, which the 551 00:31:02,970 --> 00:31:06,690 Democrats have also tried to promote and is gotten nowhere, 552 00:31:06,690 --> 00:31:10,950 but it keeps cropping up and the problem with it. It sounds 553 00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:13,740 creepy, and I'm not even absolutely sure what it means. 554 00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:19,710 But the the term is truth to power. Oh, you must speak truth 555 00:31:19,710 --> 00:31:23,160 to power or is there gonna allow truth to power truth to power? 556 00:31:23,490 --> 00:31:27,450 And this is like, I'm not even sure what it means. What do you 557 00:31:27,450 --> 00:31:29,610 How would you interpret it? Truth 558 00:31:29,610 --> 00:31:34,260 power, you must speak truth to power it? Well, first of all, it 559 00:31:34,260 --> 00:31:36,840 seems like there should be a ratio attached to it. And you 560 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,440 know, what's your truth to power ratio? Like, like a drive train? 561 00:31:40,830 --> 00:31:43,110 Now, wait a minute, that's gonna write that down. Because no 562 00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:45,570 one's ever come up with the truth to power ratio. 563 00:31:46,590 --> 00:31:49,410 We can introduce it the truth of the power ratio 564 00:31:49,410 --> 00:31:50,280 of 3.2 565 00:31:50,550 --> 00:31:57,780 You're rockin baby with a 3.2 TPR TPP TTP are 566 00:31:57,780 --> 00:31:58,980 whatever TTP 567 00:32:00,750 --> 00:32:04,650 truth to power Yeah, I'm not really sure how to how to 568 00:32:04,650 --> 00:32:06,120 interpret it I wouldn't know what it 569 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,790 means it means that you don't surround yourself by it with a 570 00:32:08,790 --> 00:32:12,030 yes man at the base level is what it's supposed I think is 571 00:32:12,030 --> 00:32:15,810 one of the implications, but it means that that you will tell 572 00:32:15,810 --> 00:32:18,630 you tell it like it is I think it's probably a take off from 573 00:32:18,630 --> 00:32:22,440 the 1960s let's let's you know that how web 2.0 is just a bunch 574 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,680 of rewrites of everything from web 1.0 Let's go back to the 575 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,250 1960s When we were successful as a democrat party, and let's 576 00:32:29,250 --> 00:32:33,630 rewrite all these kinds of phrases that we used to have 577 00:32:33,630 --> 00:32:36,000 back then like tell it like it is 578 00:32:36,449 --> 00:32:40,829 man to power what is it fair it is the phrase speak I'm just 579 00:32:40,829 --> 00:32:43,799 reading from some fucking website the phrase speak truth 580 00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:48,209 to power goes back to 1955 when the American Friends Service 581 00:32:48,209 --> 00:32:52,979 Committee published speak truth to power a pamphlet at proposed 582 00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:58,949 the proposed the new approach to the Cold War Cold War it's its 583 00:32:58,949 --> 00:33:01,529 title which came to friend Milton Mayor toward the end of 584 00:33:01,529 --> 00:33:03,509 the week and whatever 585 00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:07,350 so that's good. Well yeah, they mean there's nothing 586 00:33:08,370 --> 00:33:11,520 there's no data point I need a hill entitled her memoir versus 587 00:33:11,610 --> 00:33:14,790 sensational charges of sexual harassment against or 588 00:33:14,790 --> 00:33:18,450 harrassment against Supreme Court nominee Clarence Thomas 589 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,010 speaking truth to power 590 00:33:21,870 --> 00:33:25,980 well sneaking in anyway so but you'll find is all left like 591 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,550 that but let's do something with the truth to power ratio as 592 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:35,340 I like it. Yeah, we have to come up with a formula where we will 593 00:33:35,340 --> 00:33:36,870 turn it into an algorithm 594 00:33:36,900 --> 00:33:41,520 Yeah, there you go. We need like social graph is another one my 595 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:42,810 favourites I love that too. 596 00:33:43,470 --> 00:33:45,570 So anyway, I have a list of these one of these days I'll be 597 00:33:46,170 --> 00:33:50,400 discussing more and more I got one more well, you know, I don't 598 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,980 get Can't they probably will in the top. I don't have one more 599 00:33:52,980 --> 00:33:54,990 off the top of my head. But there's a tonne of them. All 600 00:33:54,990 --> 00:33:58,440 right. Well, yeah, there's another one that they threw out 601 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:03,210 there, which is no war for oil or something. I can't remember 602 00:34:03,210 --> 00:34:05,490 how it's phrased. Exactly. But that bumper stickers all over 603 00:34:05,490 --> 00:34:11,610 the place trying to be a meme. Anyway, well, yeah. But I mean, 604 00:34:11,610 --> 00:34:14,850 there's a bunch of these a, like I said, I just thought about him 605 00:34:14,850 --> 00:34:18,120 now. But the I wanted that. Anyway, I tried. Thank Thomas 606 00:34:18,150 --> 00:34:21,930 the crick for asking it what I thought was a stupid question. 607 00:34:21,930 --> 00:34:25,050 But it turns out to be interesting. Let me know 608 00:34:25,050 --> 00:34:27,630 everybody who listens to this show is on top of the 609 00:34:27,630 --> 00:34:30,300 appeasement thing and will be able to spot it as the 610 00:34:30,300 --> 00:34:33,240 propaganda district machine starts to grind away on poor 611 00:34:33,240 --> 00:34:33,840 Obama. 612 00:34:35,580 --> 00:34:40,740 That is interesting to track. Well, I guess the education now 613 00:34:40,740 --> 00:34:43,110 that what you said, you know, since a lot of people I mean, I 614 00:34:43,110 --> 00:34:44,940 had to look it up and like appeasement, let me just look it 615 00:34:44,940 --> 00:34:49,140 up. So let's watch out for the education process of the 616 00:34:49,140 --> 00:34:50,640 appeasement mean. 617 00:34:51,540 --> 00:34:55,140 Well, I will end in the end, and the rebirth, the rebirth of 618 00:34:55,140 --> 00:34:57,480 Neville Chamberlain, that's a funny one, by the way, you 619 00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,970 should everyone should go take a look at that Wikipedia page on 620 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,180 Neville Chamberlain, just to see all these photos that are in 621 00:35:03,180 --> 00:35:07,020 there of these British stick in the muds, and there's one after 622 00:35:07,020 --> 00:35:09,240 another, it's unbelievable to hear him are 623 00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:14,910 now careful that I live over here. I had an interesting 624 00:35:14,910 --> 00:35:21,630 conversation on Wednesday, you know, I'm finishing up some some 625 00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:26,850 historical tax crap with the with the IRS. And so I got a 626 00:35:26,850 --> 00:35:31,080 really nice tax lawyer, Bob, and Bob lives in Connecticut. And, 627 00:35:31,140 --> 00:35:33,180 you know, we used to do everything through email, but 628 00:35:33,210 --> 00:35:35,820 you know, talk to him. And I've only known the guy for a little 629 00:35:35,820 --> 00:35:38,040 bit, because it's just been a short kind of thing you've had 630 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,580 to do for me. So I get on the phone with him, we're chatting 631 00:35:41,580 --> 00:35:43,650 away, you know, and so we basically go through whatever we 632 00:35:43,650 --> 00:35:46,950 want need to do in like, 45 minutes, like, I might as well 633 00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:49,500 talk with a guy for 15 minutes, he's gonna bill me for a full 634 00:35:49,500 --> 00:35:54,450 hour anyway. Right? And so when you're talking, he's interested 635 00:35:54,450 --> 00:35:57,810 in me, VO and how, you know, what kind of stuff on my show. 636 00:35:57,810 --> 00:36:00,390 And you know, he also has to kind of understand some things 637 00:36:00,390 --> 00:36:02,460 because believe it or not, you know, I'm one of these people 638 00:36:02,460 --> 00:36:05,400 that has to write down how many days in which fucking country 639 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,670 to, to pay tax in the right place. And so he just wants to 640 00:36:08,670 --> 00:36:11,130 understand what's work and how, you know, how do we do it when 641 00:36:11,130 --> 00:36:13,320 I'm doing something for the Netherlands from here, or I'm 642 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:18,990 doing something here for, for San Francisco. And then what 643 00:36:18,990 --> 00:36:21,750 else you do for kicks, man, he's like, Oh, I'm actually volunteer 644 00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:25,830 ambulance driver, up here in Connecticut. And that's part of 645 00:36:25,830 --> 00:36:28,830 the Department of Homeland Security. And, you know, so I, 646 00:36:28,830 --> 00:36:31,050 of course, you know, start laughing and I launched into my 647 00:36:31,050 --> 00:36:33,960 whole, you know, my crap, trying to get into the country, which, 648 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,860 of course, has nothing to do with DHS. But, you know, we're 649 00:36:37,860 --> 00:36:39,840 talking about this, oh, man, I gotta tell you something really 650 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,110 amazing. Because he's one of these guys that has a, you know, 651 00:36:43,110 --> 00:36:47,850 a special ID card that should when Armageddon strikes, then he 652 00:36:47,850 --> 00:36:50,580 gets to the front of the line for vaccinations or any 653 00:36:50,580 --> 00:36:54,210 necessary stuff in order to help people. And there's a number of 654 00:36:54,210 --> 00:36:57,900 these guys in not just an ambulance to like services like 655 00:36:57,900 --> 00:37:01,830 ambulance driving, but also it's well known that they're, you 656 00:37:01,830 --> 00:37:05,550 know, businessmen, who are also a part of, you know, have a DHS 657 00:37:05,550 --> 00:37:08,460 credentials, for instance, supply food or whatever is 658 00:37:08,460 --> 00:37:12,090 necessary. And he said that one weekend, they were all called 659 00:37:12,090 --> 00:37:15,330 up, you know, not just the ambulance drivers, but a couple 660 00:37:15,330 --> 00:37:18,330 of the services, because they needed some real manpower. And 661 00:37:18,330 --> 00:37:23,940 turns out they had these What do you call it actually wrote down 662 00:37:25,590 --> 00:37:30,000 like sanitation kits. And so you know, they have a stockpile 663 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,790 warehouse of stuff that, you know, once it when when 664 00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:34,830 something goes wrong, then these guys know how to, you know, 665 00:37:34,830 --> 00:37:39,270 gotta go get it and distribute it. And they had to open up 666 00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:44,070 every single Saturday kit. And he said, There were 1000s and 667 00:37:44,070 --> 00:37:48,330 remove the tooth toothpaste, because they were tainted. They 668 00:37:48,330 --> 00:37:52,500 were the toothpaste that was tainted from China. Oh, my 669 00:37:52,500 --> 00:37:58,260 goodness. And I'm thinking to myself, how in the frig can we 670 00:37:58,260 --> 00:38:03,210 have Department of Homeland Security being so stupid as to 671 00:38:03,210 --> 00:38:06,870 put, you know, stuff that you put into your body, especially 672 00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:10,110 in the case of emergency that has been purchased from a 673 00:38:10,110 --> 00:38:16,110 foreign country? And oh, by the way, China? I mean, so you could 674 00:38:16,140 --> 00:38:18,960 you know, if you want to make sure that after you've dropped 675 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,470 the bomb, you kill everybody else. Just sell toothpaste. 676 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,250 Wow, that's a story. Nobody got. 677 00:38:26,279 --> 00:38:31,919 That's amazing, isn't it? Yeah, it's a scoop. Yeah. I said, 678 00:38:31,919 --> 00:38:35,519 dude, is it okay, if I, is it? Okay, if I said to talk about 679 00:38:35,519 --> 00:38:39,299 this? Yeah, sure. No, as long as you as long as you have a lawyer 680 00:38:39,299 --> 00:38:40,829 that understands that type of business. 681 00:38:42,090 --> 00:38:44,340 Yeah, well, you didn't give his name. And it's just a fact. 682 00:38:44,730 --> 00:38:47,640 Anyway, facts are always good. So I just 683 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,480 want to what I just think that's a huge risk, a huge risk. They 684 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:51,810 handle 685 00:38:52,170 --> 00:38:54,660 things that you know what the fact of the matter is, they know 686 00:38:54,660 --> 00:38:57,120 nothing is gonna happen. That stuff's all going to expire 687 00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:04,020 anyway and get thrown into the, into the landfill. Okay. I mean, 688 00:39:04,020 --> 00:39:06,660 but yeah, I agree with you. I think it's stupid. can I 689 00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:09,330 complain about something? G a 690 00:39:09,330 --> 00:39:11,550 surprise. You know, here 691 00:39:11,550 --> 00:39:13,650 this is it. I just, I was thinking about this, because 692 00:39:13,650 --> 00:39:17,070 earlier before we started the show, I called you and I use 693 00:39:17,070 --> 00:39:20,820 Skype, I was on Skype and I hit your number on Skype and and it 694 00:39:20,820 --> 00:39:23,760 forwards because you have call forwarding setup, by the way, 695 00:39:23,940 --> 00:39:28,110 which people should know works amazingly well. And it goes to 696 00:39:28,110 --> 00:39:30,330 your cell phone. It sounds like you're on your I mean, you sound 697 00:39:30,330 --> 00:39:32,100 like it's an outstanding connection. 698 00:39:32,190 --> 00:39:35,370 Well, there's only there's only one drawback. And that is it 699 00:39:35,370 --> 00:39:37,290 does not pass on caller ID. 700 00:39:38,370 --> 00:39:41,730 This is what I'm getting to. Yep. Okay. There's more to it 701 00:39:41,730 --> 00:39:46,710 than that. What's really weird about it, is that if you're not 702 00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:49,080 really good picking up right away or something that goes to a 703 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:54,780 message box, AT and T interrupts the call and I've gotten this 704 00:39:54,780 --> 00:39:57,180 number of times I've had they do it not necessarily just with 705 00:39:57,180 --> 00:39:59,970 Skype, they do it occasionally with other other systems too. 706 00:40:00,330 --> 00:40:03,270 But I get the feeling that Skype is the reason they're doing it 707 00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:06,210 because they're losing their butt on the fact that Skype is 708 00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:10,320 doing this free call for me to you and you're in England. 709 00:40:10,739 --> 00:40:14,339 So, so hold on. So when you call me it forwards and if I don't 710 00:40:14,339 --> 00:40:18,719 answer a phone, my phone is off. It doesn't go to voicemail, at&t 711 00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:19,589 disconnects. 712 00:40:20,039 --> 00:40:24,659 No, it goes to an 18 T voicemail that asks me to put your phone 713 00:40:24,659 --> 00:40:25,349 number in. 714 00:40:25,619 --> 00:40:29,159 No, no, no, no, dude, that's just okay, I got that one. 715 00:40:29,189 --> 00:40:33,749 That's just me. 18 t's bleep check this out. Because this has 716 00:40:33,749 --> 00:40:37,319 been irritating me for quite a while. 18 t's roaming partner in 717 00:40:37,319 --> 00:40:41,549 the UK is oh two. And by the way, if you buy the iPhone over 718 00:40:41,549 --> 00:40:44,729 here, it comes with an O two subscription. Right? So they are 719 00:40:44,729 --> 00:40:48,419 definitely connected. That is the only network it doesn't 720 00:40:48,419 --> 00:40:50,939 happen happen. If I'm on Vodafone, it doesn't happen. If 721 00:40:50,939 --> 00:40:58,109 I'm on three, three, it doesn't happen. If I'm on T Mobile. It 722 00:40:58,109 --> 00:41:01,139 then it goes to it doesn't go automatically to the to the 723 00:41:01,139 --> 00:41:04,739 voicemail, it gives you that please enter the 10 digit number 724 00:41:04,739 --> 00:41:08,669 blahdy blahdy blahdy blah. And I also can't retrieve my voicemail 725 00:41:08,699 --> 00:41:11,699 through their own frickin partner here in the UK. Now, if 726 00:41:11,699 --> 00:41:15,389 I change the network and I roam on a different network, we get 727 00:41:15,389 --> 00:41:16,589 an astronomical bill. 728 00:41:18,630 --> 00:41:21,780 So now this will okay so let's go back back up a couple of 729 00:41:21,780 --> 00:41:25,530 notches. What I'm claiming, well, this is interesting, but 730 00:41:25,530 --> 00:41:29,130 what why are the here's the point I am calling through a 731 00:41:29,130 --> 00:41:31,860 network. We're all these numbers. And by the way, I'm 732 00:41:31,860 --> 00:41:36,090 gonna you know, it's not what you're supposed to say. But I'm 733 00:41:36,090 --> 00:41:39,930 still amused my kids actually all know about this too. We all 734 00:41:39,930 --> 00:41:43,290 laugh when it comes up on a TV show where the guy says keep him 735 00:41:43,290 --> 00:41:46,170 on the line as long as you can we got to track trace the call. 736 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,410 I've almost triangulated 737 00:41:50,130 --> 00:41:53,550 you know, it's like the call. All the details are in the line 738 00:41:53,580 --> 00:41:56,640 immediately. So you don't have to trace anything but the point 739 00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,120 is and it gives us bullshit. But anyway, the thing is, they've 740 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:04,230 got my number they've got to number I dialled they have a 10 741 00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:06,960 digit number I doubt why are they asking for me to put it in 742 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,200 again. The only person that can't put it in is a guy who 743 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,810 didn't dial it at all but somebody coming in through Skype 744 00:42:13,050 --> 00:42:17,460 I understand what you're saying John? But I don't think it's 745 00:42:17,460 --> 00:42:20,460 much worse than that. They're not they're not doing that just 746 00:42:20,460 --> 00:42:22,710 because you're coming through Skype they do it who no matter 747 00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:24,090 who calls me gets that. 748 00:42:24,810 --> 00:42:27,240 No, I've got to have a regular line too but on the regular I 749 00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:29,970 can punch the number back in and so then it goes through but if 750 00:42:29,970 --> 00:42:31,950 I'm coming in through Skype I don't know what the number is. 751 00:42:33,300 --> 00:42:36,780 So it's like a it's a blocking factor is a natural it's like 752 00:42:36,780 --> 00:42:40,440 itself it's a self generated 753 00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:44,190 but you're not hearing me who else who else do you call that 754 00:42:44,190 --> 00:42:50,130 this happens to no one only with me who else do you call who is 755 00:42:50,130 --> 00:42:50,340 going 756 00:42:50,700 --> 00:42:53,340 to think about it think about that. I don't call them any 757 00:42:53,340 --> 00:42:56,430 people on Skype that get their calls forwarded to a cell phone 758 00:42:57,150 --> 00:43:02,220 so first of all of course this is this is so it is messed up 759 00:43:02,220 --> 00:43:06,450 because no matter who calls me with proper caller ID if the 760 00:43:06,450 --> 00:43:09,690 calling from a landline calling from the UK the United States 761 00:43:09,690 --> 00:43:13,710 the Netherlands wherever they're calling from if my cell phone if 762 00:43:13,710 --> 00:43:17,400 my cell phone is on the otoo network which is the default 763 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,970 roaming partner for AT and T in the United Kingdom you get to 764 00:43:20,970 --> 00:43:25,290 that fricking stupid menu where you have to enter the 10 digit 765 00:43:25,290 --> 00:43:29,820 number if I'm roaming on any other network here it goes 766 00:43:29,820 --> 00:43:34,470 straight to voicemail the way it should so the problem is not 767 00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:38,730 with I don't believe the problem is with AT and T did a denying 768 00:43:38,730 --> 00:43:41,370 Skype they wanted to how can they even do that when they're 769 00:43:41,370 --> 00:43:44,430 such boneheads they can't even make it a regular calls go to 770 00:43:44,430 --> 00:43:47,160 voicemail Of course they have all the information there for 771 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:48,150 just fucked up. 772 00:43:48,540 --> 00:43:50,760 So there has to be an agenda. 773 00:43:51,810 --> 00:43:55,530 I don't think there's an agenda. Why would you screw your your 774 00:43:55,530 --> 00:43:56,610 own partner? 775 00:43:58,890 --> 00:44:01,170 I don't know. I'm just telling you it's just annoying as you 776 00:44:01,170 --> 00:44:04,380 know, I call and I've been doing on Skype I mean I if I'm doing 777 00:44:04,380 --> 00:44:07,050 on cell phone I yeah, I just you know it's not a problem getting 778 00:44:07,050 --> 00:44:10,170 the number but and I can punch it in and it goes to it does go 779 00:44:10,170 --> 00:44:13,320 to some voicemail that apparently you don't hear. And 780 00:44:13,830 --> 00:44:14,190 you have 781 00:44:14,190 --> 00:44:17,430 no idea how many misconfigurations take place on 782 00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:20,820 these networks. Just you know I travelled between three 783 00:44:20,820 --> 00:44:25,980 countries. And my also my text messages started arriving five 784 00:44:25,980 --> 00:44:29,070 hours late which really pisses me off because they cost money 785 00:44:29,070 --> 00:44:31,470 for a reason. You know, that's guaranteed delivery. It's 786 00:44:31,470 --> 00:44:34,650 supposed to get there and you're supposed to happen. It really 787 00:44:34,650 --> 00:44:36,690 pisses me off when you can't rely on that. 788 00:44:38,250 --> 00:44:40,110 Yeah, I know you've complained about this and it's happened to 789 00:44:40,110 --> 00:44:44,220 me because once in a while I'll get a voicemail from you. You 790 00:44:44,220 --> 00:44:47,700 know a day late. That comes in out of the blue it says yeah, 791 00:44:47,700 --> 00:44:51,660 I'll be there in 10 minutes. Great. Where was I supposed to 792 00:44:51,660 --> 00:44:51,960 be a 793 00:44:52,620 --> 00:44:55,200 skeleton of me you know, standing with my finger on the 794 00:44:55,200 --> 00:45:00,000 buzzer. not opening up. Yeah, no, that's that's very fun. 795 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,000 frustrating. It's only in the UK that that happens with, with 796 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,040 OTR. I've been meaning to mention that because a lot of 797 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,920 people say, but couldn't leave you a voicemail, you know, and 798 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:16,080 no matter where they're calling from anyway, sorry to blow your 799 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,400 conspiracy theory there. But 800 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,960 I'm not completely convinced it's not an element of what I'm 801 00:45:22,170 --> 00:45:23,160 suspecting. And 802 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,190 by the way to people who have been talking about this, yes, I 803 00:45:26,190 --> 00:45:29,100 am subservient most of the time to John on these conversations, 804 00:45:29,100 --> 00:45:34,470 but he's also he's also 10 years older than I am, well, nine or 805 00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:39,000 eight years, and more worldly and smarter. And I'm actually 806 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,880 trying to learn something, and it's nice to be not the lead 807 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:42,390 dog. 808 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,770 Well, I'm not the lead dog now. But any conversation? 809 00:45:46,770 --> 00:45:48,570 Yeah, feel free to patronise me. 810 00:45:49,230 --> 00:45:54,810 Okay, I'll do that. Somebody's got to do it. So what do you got 811 00:45:54,810 --> 00:45:57,840 on your no agenda list? Um, 812 00:45:58,980 --> 00:46:03,390 I did want to thank you for sticking up for me VO for the 813 00:46:03,390 --> 00:46:06,840 company on the last twit. At the very end there. That was nice. 814 00:46:08,190 --> 00:46:10,830 Oh, it's because, you know, one of the people was talking out of 815 00:46:10,830 --> 00:46:15,240 there, behind as it were, and it was just like, you know, you 816 00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:18,240 know, it's like anything else? I mean, if you're not in the, you 817 00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:20,700 know, I mean, you can of course, I didn't like the expert of just 818 00:46:20,730 --> 00:46:24,960 blowing, you know, blowing smoke about stuff. I only know half 819 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,980 the story about, but generally speaking, if you do that 820 00:46:28,980 --> 00:46:31,650 sometimes you do get the real story because people said, No, 821 00:46:31,650 --> 00:46:34,350 you're completely wrong. And here's what really happened. And 822 00:46:34,350 --> 00:46:38,880 I always correct myself. I mean, I've always done it, by the way. 823 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:43,110 So I'm yesterday I'm standing out is hot here. So I'm watching 824 00:46:43,110 --> 00:46:47,400 there's some kid. This is a subject we have to bring up and 825 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:52,650 do a whole show about. The kid has gone by on a scooter with 826 00:46:52,650 --> 00:46:55,020 the handles, you know, it's not like a skateboard. 827 00:46:55,530 --> 00:46:59,880 Oh, zappy one of those. Well, skateboard and it has 828 00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:00,630 handlebars, 829 00:47:00,930 --> 00:47:04,290 it's got handlebars, and it's got like four wheels and an 830 00:47:04,290 --> 00:47:07,110 energy and he's pushing it is obviously not designed to go 831 00:47:07,110 --> 00:47:07,650 very fast. 832 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,950 Oh, one of those things. It has no engine. It's just the Yeah, 833 00:47:10,980 --> 00:47:11,430 yeah, I know. 834 00:47:12,660 --> 00:47:16,590 Gold's going up the street, you know, 1/10 of a mile an hour. I 835 00:47:16,590 --> 00:47:18,930 mean, I could walk faster than this kid's pushing this thing. 836 00:47:18,930 --> 00:47:27,120 Okay. Yeah. He's got a helmet on. Yeah. So I'm thinking what 837 00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,910 the heck is wrong with? I mean, yeah, I understand the helmets 838 00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:32,070 are important on bicycling, and some people don't wear them. And 839 00:47:32,070 --> 00:47:34,200 you know, motorcycle for sure. Because you can hurt yourself in 840 00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:36,720 your head is something you don't want to like get damaged. 841 00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:39,600 Because it's, you know, you can't do much without it. But 842 00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,140 come on. I mean, at what point do we just wear a helmet to go 843 00:47:43,140 --> 00:47:45,990 to the go shopping? I'm not expecting to go to, you know, 844 00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:48,360 one of the stores around here. Somebody's pushing around a cart 845 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:49,410 with a helmet on? 846 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:50,310 How old was he? 847 00:47:50,340 --> 00:47:53,670 You think candy looked like he was 12? Oh, well, 848 00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:58,140 of course, that's, you know, an entire generation of parents 849 00:47:58,140 --> 00:48:01,920 turning their kids into pussies. You know, somebody I remember 850 00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:06,270 when I was six years old, we were visiting friends. This is 851 00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:09,540 here's one four, I still have a picture and I'm sure I can find 852 00:48:09,540 --> 00:48:14,460 it. We were visiting friends in Texas, I think it was Dallas. 853 00:48:14,730 --> 00:48:17,520 And I was it was like, I was completely in this nine maybe it 854 00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,680 was Yeah, and I was six or seven. And I was completely into 855 00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,010 skateboarding. Skateboarding was everything. I'm sorry, it was 856 00:48:23,010 --> 00:48:27,720 nine. And so I'm like, Yeah, I'm gonna go skateboarding because 857 00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:32,370 that is really you know, they live in kind of a you know, one 858 00:48:32,370 --> 00:48:35,310 of those very suburban type areas, you know, rack housing, 859 00:48:35,310 --> 00:48:39,810 etc. And but nice asphalt. And all of a sudden, I find myself 860 00:48:39,810 --> 00:48:42,510 on something I really had not been on having learned how to 861 00:48:42,510 --> 00:48:45,120 skateboard in the Netherlands, and that was on a significant 862 00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:49,170 Hill. And so I'm going down, I'm like, I'm picking up speed. I'm 863 00:48:49,170 --> 00:48:51,750 like, holy crap. And at that same moment, you know, 864 00:48:51,750 --> 00:48:56,640 basically, I was trying to occupy the same space of road as 865 00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:02,010 a truck. So basically, I wind up wiping out but you know, comply 866 00:49:02,010 --> 00:49:06,420 to black eyes. Because I fell on my nose. You know, I My, my, my 867 00:49:06,420 --> 00:49:09,420 elbows were fine, but my knees were no I'm sorry. My shins were 868 00:49:09,420 --> 00:49:11,580 my knees were fine with my elbows. You know, completely 869 00:49:11,580 --> 00:49:15,240 shot I still have gravel in my left elbow from from that 870 00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:18,060 Wipeout. And that was what it was like, man, as kids like you 871 00:49:18,060 --> 00:49:21,870 got fucked up. And you know, you took a tumble. And guess what? I 872 00:49:21,870 --> 00:49:25,140 ain't gonna do that shit on that skateboard. No more. I learned 873 00:49:25,140 --> 00:49:26,310 my lesson. Good. 874 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,200 Well, anyway, so there I think you might have something you 875 00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,780 know, we my wife and I talked about this regeneration of 876 00:49:33,780 --> 00:49:34,560 pussies thing. 877 00:49:36,180 --> 00:49:38,790 I can't wait to meet her man. It comes 878 00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:42,180 up in the conversation. When we're watching. You know, the 879 00:49:42,180 --> 00:49:44,910 British version of what I consider one of the great and 880 00:49:44,910 --> 00:49:46,800 I've said it before, I'll say it again. One of the great 881 00:49:47,370 --> 00:49:52,980 management consultants ran Ramsay, Gordon Ramsay comes into 882 00:49:52,980 --> 00:49:55,320 these places and when he when he runs into this certain 883 00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,670 generation, the younger people, he runs into these these wimpy 884 00:49:59,670 --> 00:50:04,050 care actors that are that he has to yell and scream at. And 885 00:50:04,050 --> 00:50:07,590 there's a whole generation of people that have not there 886 00:50:07,590 --> 00:50:10,050 aren't used to this they are have been born, especially in 887 00:50:10,050 --> 00:50:12,630 the United States where they've been raised with political 888 00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:15,300 correctness. Well, they've been, it's dying that but it's this 889 00:50:15,330 --> 00:50:19,980 self esteem crap, where you know, you're a winner, we should 890 00:50:19,980 --> 00:50:23,130 have sports that there's no competition, my kids went to the 891 00:50:23,130 --> 00:50:24,960 schools that did this, and I would, you know, got them out of 892 00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,180 those schools, you know, you know, that should be a game that 893 00:50:27,180 --> 00:50:30,000 shouldn't be a winner and loser, Everyone's a winner, that guy 894 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,000 who came in last is the last winner, you know, this kind of 895 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,790 thing. And it's just you don't have to do well, you don't have 896 00:50:35,790 --> 00:50:38,850 to perform, you're, you're, you're you yourself, this, 897 00:50:38,940 --> 00:50:41,610 you're important cuz you're a person and all this kind of 898 00:50:41,610 --> 00:50:45,330 crap. And it's been, and it results in over a generation of 899 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,550 people that don't perform very well. So 900 00:50:47,580 --> 00:50:51,060 so this brings me to my favourite topic having just been 901 00:50:51,660 --> 00:50:54,450 show business bitch from my wife, which means carrying her 902 00:50:54,450 --> 00:50:57,480 suitcases, getting her tea and keeping people keeping people 903 00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:01,950 out of her dressing room. Once again, she had the third set the 904 00:51:01,950 --> 00:51:05,400 last semi final, the next show will be the finals of Holland's 905 00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:09,360 Got Talent. And I'm so proud of my wife, because she's sitting 906 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,850 there in the audience. And there's, you know, and the show 907 00:51:11,850 --> 00:51:14,280 was beautiful, the lighting is beautiful, and people are doing 908 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,710 stuff. And you can see they've really put effort into it. But 909 00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:20,310 I'm sorry, a lot of it just sucked. And she said in the end, 910 00:51:20,310 --> 00:51:23,700 she just says it. And there were lose the end for the semi final 911 00:51:23,700 --> 00:51:28,710 were two kids, an eight year old Chinese kid named Oscar, which 912 00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:34,110 is a perfect name for Chinese kid. And a 13 year old Dutch 913 00:51:34,110 --> 00:51:36,930 girl who sang had a musical performance, you know, like, 914 00:51:37,020 --> 00:51:40,830 some piece from a Dutch musical. And you know, then the judges 915 00:51:40,830 --> 00:51:43,410 have to make the final decision on these two. And so you have 916 00:51:43,410 --> 00:51:47,940 these two young kids sitting next to each other. And you can 917 00:51:47,940 --> 00:51:50,760 just hear hearts breaking everywhere, you know, but they 918 00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:54,420 did. And they, they just had to be honest and say boom, you 919 00:51:54,420 --> 00:51:58,050 know, kid, you're out go home. But that, you know, this is 920 00:51:58,050 --> 00:52:01,710 what's really I like about this show is there are actual losers 921 00:52:01,710 --> 00:52:05,520 and they say I'm sorry, you lose go home, go away, not, you know, 922 00:52:06,030 --> 00:52:10,530 well, you know, good try. No, it's just exit. Good try exit. 923 00:52:11,490 --> 00:52:15,030 And that's good. There's some social value to that I feel 924 00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:15,210 well, 925 00:52:15,210 --> 00:52:19,800 it's still you know, it's still if you go back in time, that's, 926 00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:21,750 you know, the start looking at the history of all this stuff. 927 00:52:22,170 --> 00:52:24,450 You know, there used to be amateur hour shows and used to 928 00:52:24,450 --> 00:52:28,170 be these kinds of shows forever because people you know, it's a 929 00:52:28,170 --> 00:52:30,510 good way to get people to work for nothing is let's face 930 00:52:30,510 --> 00:52:33,480 reality, man. But anyway, they used to have a thing where a guy 931 00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:38,670 would come out with a hook. Like the term give him the hook has 932 00:52:38,670 --> 00:52:41,100 to do with this and it wouldn't be it wasn't just got kinder and 933 00:52:41,100 --> 00:52:41,940 gentler world 934 00:52:42,510 --> 00:52:46,200 that still exists in Showtime at the Apollo the Sandman will come 935 00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,930 out with the hook. If the audience boos you off the stage. 936 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:49,410 It's still 937 00:52:50,340 --> 00:52:54,060 right, they blew you off the stage. And if you go back even 938 00:52:54,060 --> 00:52:56,340 further, and you start looking at the history of the theatre in 939 00:52:56,340 --> 00:53:01,020 the 1800s they used to throw stuff at this day, people would 940 00:53:01,020 --> 00:53:05,550 come in with boxes of tomatoes, usually rotten eggs, because 941 00:53:05,550 --> 00:53:08,520 their eggs everywhere back then because people had chickens, and 942 00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,160 you can't eat enough that you can't eat eggs. Believe me if 943 00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:12,750 you haven't been you've had more than three or four chickens. 944 00:53:12,750 --> 00:53:16,140 There's no way so you bring them to the theatre. And at some 945 00:53:16,140 --> 00:53:19,560 crappy Act came out they were just pelt them with rotten 946 00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:25,920 cabbages and his amazing days is that this is a vaudeville was 947 00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,490 one of the but no, no, actually the if you'd go back to the 948 00:53:29,490 --> 00:53:33,720 1860s There's a number of good books on this. And you read 949 00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:37,320 about the we're talking about the regular theatre where people 950 00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:41,550 would come out and sing and dance it wasn't vaudeville. Per 951 00:53:41,550 --> 00:53:46,710 Se vaudeville is actually a kind of something that developed in a 952 00:53:47,010 --> 00:53:51,270 out of Burlesque burlesque which was basically burlesque was it 953 00:53:51,270 --> 00:53:55,290 was a it was a subcategory of the formal theatre, but it was 954 00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,840 it was basically dirty. I mean it we just do. 955 00:53:58,860 --> 00:54:03,930 Sexy secular sexy, sexy. There you go, John, this is exactly 956 00:54:03,930 --> 00:54:04,710 the problem we have. 957 00:54:06,300 --> 00:54:08,640 Now the problem we have is you and the political correct use of 958 00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:12,750 the word sexy. This is not sexy. I got I got to go to a couple of 959 00:54:13,710 --> 00:54:18,150 It's not dirty. Dirty, let's call it corny. 960 00:54:18,180 --> 00:54:21,000 A dirty comic would come out with dirty jokes. And these 961 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,880 girls were just you know, they were dirty this there's nothing 962 00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:29,940 sexy about it. Anyway, so that was not family entertainment. So 963 00:54:29,940 --> 00:54:32,670 they developed burlesque I'm excited vaudeville came out of 964 00:54:32,670 --> 00:54:36,810 that and developed down by in that Canal Street area. 965 00:54:36,810 --> 00:54:37,080 Actually, 966 00:54:37,110 --> 00:54:40,680 we're really you're you're so knowledgeable. I love this. 967 00:54:41,100 --> 00:54:43,890 Now, I just happened to read a couple books on it. Anyway, so 968 00:54:43,890 --> 00:54:46,260 but the thing is the regular theatre where they people would 969 00:54:46,260 --> 00:54:48,630 come out and they'd sing or they do a play or something like 970 00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:51,150 that. That's where they throw the stuff. It's like going to 971 00:54:51,150 --> 00:54:54,480 Broadway today and watching you know, lay ms or something and 972 00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:58,770 enter the heaving tomato guy with the with the mask. I mean, 973 00:54:58,830 --> 00:54:59,400 I just 974 00:54:59,430 --> 00:55:04,110 this is the Next, this is the next level in reality shows you 975 00:55:04,110 --> 00:55:07,080 let the audience in on the act but you actually really let them 976 00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,810 in on the act and you let them come in with rotten eggs and 977 00:55:09,810 --> 00:55:13,260 tomatoes and we just take it back to those times. I would 978 00:55:13,260 --> 00:55:16,410 watch that show of course you would specifically because I'd 979 00:55:16,410 --> 00:55:19,260 have the guy telling dirty jokes in the in the tickets out on 980 00:55:19,260 --> 00:55:22,680 stage. This is my kind of show Johnny. 981 00:55:23,580 --> 00:55:26,490 So actually, you know, a show where people got a little more 982 00:55:26,490 --> 00:55:28,350 involved. I mean, it would probably be kind of interesting 983 00:55:28,350 --> 00:55:31,620 although with today's you know, audience today's we don't kind 984 00:55:31,620 --> 00:55:34,530 of understand the you know, the what the what the rules really 985 00:55:34,530 --> 00:55:37,560 aren't some guy bring a gun and like shoot, the guy was done the 986 00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,990 stage, you know, kind of thing. But yeah, I think it'd be 987 00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:43,860 entertaining to let people have maybe the limited the people to 988 00:55:43,860 --> 00:55:48,480 maybe one a bag, and maybe one cabbage and one tomato each. And 989 00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,190 they could only use them. You know, you 990 00:55:50,190 --> 00:55:53,430 had a certain limit. Yeah, you have a okay. Yeah, you don't 991 00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:53,550 like 992 00:55:53,700 --> 00:55:55,770 the box of tomatoes, just throwing them up there because 993 00:55:55,770 --> 00:55:57,870 he wants to practice his pitching. And by 994 00:55:57,870 --> 00:56:02,130 the way, studio audiences are screened. They do go through 995 00:56:02,130 --> 00:56:06,840 metal detectors. At least they do on any show my wife is 996 00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:07,620 performing on. 997 00:56:08,250 --> 00:56:10,200 Well, that's because you're in the audience. 998 00:56:11,970 --> 00:56:14,610 I'm everywhere. I have eyes everywhere. 999 00:56:16,050 --> 00:56:19,620 So anyway, yeah. So that's kind of the the, 1000 00:56:19,890 --> 00:56:23,010 we have so much to do. We have we have shows to start, we have 1001 00:56:23,010 --> 00:56:23,880 oh my gosh, 1002 00:56:24,570 --> 00:56:27,300 I liked the idea, that tomato show. I think that would work. 1003 00:56:27,330 --> 00:56:31,290 You know what, hey, that's a guy, you get a good guy. And 1004 00:56:31,290 --> 00:56:34,290 that guy really has a good accurate arm. So you can just 1005 00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:35,790 hit somebody right in the head. 1006 00:56:35,820 --> 00:56:38,160 So what why don't we get you know, this, this could be really 1007 00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,340 easy. We could do this with me vo no problem. And we can we can 1008 00:56:41,340 --> 00:56:44,190 put together a treatment and and put together a budget, it 1009 00:56:44,190 --> 00:56:47,220 doesn't have to be hugely expensive to do this and you 1010 00:56:47,220 --> 00:56:50,730 rent out a place. You set the ground rules and you have you 1011 00:56:50,730 --> 00:56:53,340 know, you just invite people to come and do their act. And then 1012 00:56:53,370 --> 00:56:57,840 you know, either go or you get thrown at you and I look at 1013 00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,050 doing with two or two cameras, we could do a hell of a lot. We 1014 00:57:01,050 --> 00:57:02,700 could really get a lot accomplished. 1015 00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:07,740 We definitely need a cleanup crew. Why? details 1016 00:57:07,740 --> 00:57:15,420 details? That's what interns are for. I wrote something down 1017 00:57:15,420 --> 00:57:20,190 here. You know, I carry my iPod Touch everywhere. I love it. And 1018 00:57:20,190 --> 00:57:23,460 we'll have to see if I switch to the new iPhone with 3g when it 1019 00:57:23,460 --> 00:57:27,540 comes out. So far, you will probably but I did the crack 1020 00:57:27,540 --> 00:57:30,750 thing the zip phone hack whatever it is on the iPod Touch 1021 00:57:30,750 --> 00:57:33,570 so I can load all the all the cool applications and there's 1022 00:57:33,570 --> 00:57:38,010 some that are actually use usable. Anyway, you said 1023 00:57:38,010 --> 00:57:40,770 something on I think it was no agenda. You were talking about 1024 00:57:41,550 --> 00:57:45,900 cameras with a GPS receiver in it. So it would geotag the 1025 00:57:45,900 --> 00:57:46,500 pictures. 1026 00:57:47,070 --> 00:57:49,230 I was on a tech five. 1027 00:57:50,010 --> 00:57:51,360 What did I say? That was? 1028 00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:52,680 You said no agenda. 1029 00:57:52,830 --> 00:57:56,310 I'm sorry. Tech five. Yeah. And that you finally you would you'd 1030 00:57:56,310 --> 00:57:56,730 always by 1031 00:57:56,730 --> 00:58:00,450 the way, which can be found at Tech five with a five.media.com 1032 00:58:00,690 --> 00:58:05,070 and that you had always inherited poo pooed them until 1033 00:58:05,070 --> 00:58:08,190 you actually found it was quite handy dog pictures and be able 1034 00:58:08,190 --> 00:58:10,710 to place them exactly where you were when you were on your 1035 00:58:10,710 --> 00:58:11,460 Korean trip. 1036 00:58:12,180 --> 00:58:15,390 Yeah, I thought about it for a while. And I realised that, you 1037 00:58:15,390 --> 00:58:19,650 know, I don't go to like Korea every minute. And so you but I'm 1038 00:58:19,650 --> 00:58:21,660 pretty good at find my way around. But I realised that I 1039 00:58:21,660 --> 00:58:24,810 have a lot of shots that you know, you take if you if you 1040 00:58:24,810 --> 00:58:27,180 like me, and you'd like to really, if you're travelling, 1041 00:58:27,180 --> 00:58:29,550 you just take a lot of pictures because just fun to look to even 1042 00:58:29,550 --> 00:58:32,910 find something that's, that's worth having. And you'd shoot, 1043 00:58:32,910 --> 00:58:34,950 shoot, shoot and and you shoot and shoot out of the window. 1044 00:58:34,950 --> 00:58:37,530 Sometimes I should i cap windows a lot, I see something weird. 1045 00:58:37,530 --> 00:58:39,660 And I say oh, look at that, and I'll shoot it. And you know, 1046 00:58:39,660 --> 00:58:42,960 most of these pictures, just a waste. But but occasionally you 1047 00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,150 catch something that's pretty cool. And then you sort them out 1048 00:58:45,150 --> 00:58:47,430 and you end it. And so you end up with this picture that you 1049 00:58:47,430 --> 00:58:50,280 say wow, that's pretty cool. It's like in there you see some 1050 00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,620 what that I didn't know, I would like to go to that store that's 1051 00:58:52,620 --> 00:58:56,790 in that picture. I don't know where it is, it would be cool to 1052 00:58:56,790 --> 00:59:00,300 have a GPS data attached to that photo. So I knew exactly where 1053 00:59:00,300 --> 00:59:02,520 that picture was taken. So I could actually go back to that 1054 00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:06,240 spot. And I could I couldn't really think of any real reason 1055 00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:10,470 to have GPS data on photos until I realised that that reason I 1056 00:59:10,470 --> 00:59:12,090 just described as a really good one. 1057 00:59:12,210 --> 00:59:15,810 So this so this kind of ties into my iPod Touch and the 1058 00:59:15,810 --> 00:59:18,060 iPhone, the new iPhone, and I was thinking the following 1059 00:59:18,060 --> 00:59:19,680 because you know that they're gonna we're gonna be able to 1060 00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,950 make applications for the iPhone, etc. Hopefully the 1061 00:59:22,950 --> 00:59:28,380 capability will be there. So I would presume I could be wrong. 1062 00:59:28,380 --> 00:59:31,350 But let's say the new iPhone had GPS capability, which pretty 1063 00:59:31,350 --> 00:59:34,740 much these days, if you want to make a high end mobile phone, it 1064 00:59:34,740 --> 00:59:37,530 has to have GPS in there because that's just that just seems to 1065 00:59:37,530 --> 00:59:42,360 be the trend. So if we actually had a GPS receiver and of course 1066 00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,960 it has multimedia capabilities up popped an idea that I've had 1067 00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:50,640 for five years at least maybe longer ever since I've been 1068 00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:57,900 using GPS. How cool would it be, if you could geotag certain 1069 00:59:57,900 --> 01:00:01,500 areas in the world for instance. And we were talking about 1070 01:00:01,500 --> 01:00:03,810 Amsterdam. And I said, and actually a couple of people took 1071 01:00:03,810 --> 01:00:05,970 me up on the offer, they emailed me and said, Hey, I'm going to 1072 01:00:05,970 --> 01:00:08,520 Amsterdam in the next couple of weeks. Could you please give me 1073 01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:10,860 a couple of cool places to go? Could you just tell me whatever 1074 01:00:10,860 --> 01:00:13,050 you and John, were talking about a minute, a little template 1075 01:00:13,050 --> 01:00:15,240 thing, and I've been sending that off to people. Now, 1076 01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:18,030 wouldn't it be cool, if I could sit, you know, they could click 1077 01:00:18,030 --> 01:00:21,780 on a link or have some kind of link would be easy. And you 1078 01:00:21,780 --> 01:00:26,850 download something. And while you're walking around Amsterdam, 1079 01:00:27,090 --> 01:00:29,670 you're getting directions to places. And when you're in the 1080 01:00:29,670 --> 01:00:33,750 spot, where, you know, for instance, in front of the Anne 1081 01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:38,250 Frank museum, you would then hear from an mp3 you would hear, 1082 01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,940 which could be a really low local low res, and it could be 1083 01:00:42,090 --> 01:00:45,390 it could be streamed, you know, immediately, I presume, you 1084 01:00:45,390 --> 01:00:47,070 could hear me saying, Well, right now you're standing in 1085 01:00:47,070 --> 01:00:49,020 front of the Anne Frank House that give you some background 1086 01:00:49,020 --> 01:00:51,690 that said, there's probably a long frickin line there. So what 1087 01:00:51,690 --> 01:00:54,600 you want to do is just, you know, turn 180 degrees, turn 1088 01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,780 around and walk up to the roast and cut off two of Ben cones and 1089 01:00:57,780 --> 01:01:00,750 have yourself some swarm up, because and ask for it this way, 1090 01:01:00,750 --> 01:01:04,290 and tell him I sent you. And you could really put together almost 1091 01:01:04,290 --> 01:01:07,770 like, which I loved as a kid, those walking, guided tours of 1092 01:01:07,770 --> 01:01:10,830 the museum where you get the headsets, and you'd walk, you 1093 01:01:10,830 --> 01:01:13,890 know, towards an exhibit, and then you start to hear the 1094 01:01:13,890 --> 01:01:16,980 description of that exhibit, I think you could really build 1095 01:01:16,980 --> 01:01:19,440 something like that. And it could be a community thing where 1096 01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,410 you couldn't contribute just like Google Maps, which of 1097 01:01:22,410 --> 01:01:25,200 course, would come into play somewhere, I'm sure in this 1098 01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:29,550 whole infrastructure I'm dreaming up where you know, 1099 01:01:29,580 --> 01:01:33,600 someone else wants to, to add to the tour or add another point of 1100 01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,180 interest as it's known. You know, that could be a number of 1101 01:01:36,180 --> 01:01:40,410 things there. But the whole idea of of a guided audio walking 1102 01:01:40,410 --> 01:01:44,250 tour and descriptions of places anywhere, or you could just be 1103 01:01:44,250 --> 01:01:46,980 walking somewhere and all of a sudden, you'd get a little beep, 1104 01:01:46,980 --> 01:01:49,740 beep, beep, beep. And then you'd click the play button and be 1105 01:01:49,740 --> 01:01:53,820 like, Hi, this is, um, this is Peter. And this is where Mary 1106 01:01:53,820 --> 01:01:55,800 and I had sex for the first time. I mean, it could be all 1107 01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:57,090 kinds of interesting things. 1108 01:01:59,100 --> 01:02:01,110 I think it's a nightmare. Why? 1109 01:02:01,530 --> 01:02:03,300 You don't think that would be interesting or useful? 1110 01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,580 Yeah, I think it would No, I think effect I think the idea is 1111 01:02:05,580 --> 01:02:08,490 sheer genius. And I think it's something that is needed. Except 1112 01:02:08,490 --> 01:02:12,360 I think it's like anything else that if it got to, you know, I 1113 01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:14,940 don't know, I'd rather have a professional rather than the 1114 01:02:14,940 --> 01:02:17,220 guys who screwed his wife near that corner. I don't really 1115 01:02:17,220 --> 01:02:19,290 care. But obviously, that's what would be in there. That's the 1116 01:02:19,290 --> 01:02:21,210 problem that would be in there. And that's what that's the 1117 01:02:21,210 --> 01:02:21,780 drawback. 1118 01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,350 Yeah, but then don't make obviously that's just an option. 1119 01:02:25,350 --> 01:02:28,170 That's a bolt on. I mean, you could sell professional 1120 01:02:28,170 --> 01:02:31,770 packages. In fact, you could take no agenda and you could 1121 01:02:31,770 --> 01:02:34,350 take every single bit where we've talked about a restaurant 1122 01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:38,580 talked about a place you are I have been Jesus, 1123 01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,970 the no agenda visit pack. Nothing is there by the way, 1124 01:02:41,970 --> 01:02:44,490 there is a really cool restaurant by the Anne Frank 1125 01:02:44,490 --> 01:02:48,360 House. That is just like now that the I think it took one 1126 01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,400 picture inside the place and that would be a cool thing to 1127 01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,040 have geotag because I don't even remember the name of the place 1128 01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:57,510 I'm looking. But it's like very happy to really stylish you 1129 01:02:57,510 --> 01:03:00,750 know, lots of wood and fancy architecture place. Is it the 1130 01:03:00,750 --> 01:03:05,490 fireflies? I don't know maybe it was cool. 1131 01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:10,080 Oh, no, wait a minute. That's that's the restaurant in the in 1132 01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:14,640 the church tower in the near the church. There's a big tower 1133 01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:15,690 right now it's 1134 01:03:15,690 --> 01:03:18,240 not in a tower. It's right on the street. And it's gotta wait. 1135 01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:22,200 It's got like weird, it's weird. It's a weird, trendy, kind of 1136 01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:26,610 overdesigned, architecturally interesting, you know, place 1137 01:03:26,670 --> 01:03:29,280 with that too. And by the way, the food was good. Then we had 1138 01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:30,870 some people, you can see him walking to go there. And 1139 01:03:30,870 --> 01:03:32,910 frankly, other people that were in this group that you'd see 1140 01:03:32,940 --> 01:03:35,580 friends going down the streets and you bring them in, and it 1141 01:03:35,580 --> 01:03:38,580 was a lot of it was like tapas was what we were eating. They're 1142 01:03:38,580 --> 01:03:38,880 kind of 1143 01:03:39,810 --> 01:03:43,800 in the best of care, maybe the baby church, 1144 01:03:44,490 --> 01:03:47,730 maybe so anyway, the point is, is that if I had the system or 1145 01:03:47,730 --> 01:03:50,820 the one you're talking about, I could you know, I would be able 1146 01:03:50,820 --> 01:03:52,860 to punch it up right now and tell people to go check it out. 1147 01:03:53,340 --> 01:03:55,380 But ya know, let's make that a company. Let's do it. 1148 01:03:56,100 --> 01:03:58,950 Let's make that a company. Hey, I hear you're really good at 1149 01:03:58,950 --> 01:04:02,670 fundraising. Let's do that. We'll just send you out with 1150 01:04:02,820 --> 01:04:05,820 with my idea, your fundraising skills, John. Fantastic. 1151 01:04:07,140 --> 01:04:09,720 I think you should start with the patent. That by 1152 01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:13,530 the way, that by the way, it was an inside joke. Yeah, what's a 1153 01:04:13,530 --> 01:04:16,080 better way to get another patent I can get I can get a patent on 1154 01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:18,660 that idea. So surely someone's come up with this, that can't be 1155 01:04:18,660 --> 01:04:20,730 you not to where you could do it, you can make it specific 1156 01:04:20,730 --> 01:04:23,250 enough that it would be very, by the time 1157 01:04:23,250 --> 01:04:26,100 by the time we got the patent done. It's like someone else 1158 01:04:26,100 --> 01:04:28,170 will have built the whole system. I 1159 01:04:28,830 --> 01:04:31,050 built the patent. I mean, had to pat down the side while you're 1160 01:04:31,050 --> 01:04:32,010 building the system, John, 1161 01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:34,440 what I'd much rather do is I'd rather talk about the awesome 1162 01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:39,270 system and very much like, you know, podcasting. I'd like to 1163 01:04:40,050 --> 01:04:42,930 energise and incentivize people who can build that? 1164 01:04:43,350 --> 01:04:46,620 Well, I liked the idea, because it would be cool, and it would 1165 01:04:46,620 --> 01:04:50,190 be cool, but you know, it's, it's, it's non trivial. Let me 1166 01:04:50,190 --> 01:04:54,150 say that to have and so you were, you know, I'm walking 1167 01:04:54,150 --> 01:04:55,890 around San Francisco and my phone beeps at me with a 1168 01:04:55,890 --> 01:04:58,710 distinctive sound meaning I'm walking past someplace I showed 1169 01:04:58,710 --> 01:05:02,280 some interest in or Let's then I'm subscribing to like one 1170 01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:05,490 person's feed, this one was B could be a little bit like 1171 01:05:05,490 --> 01:05:05,940 Twitter. 1172 01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:10,320 But think of a very good point. Now think about it a GPS has 1173 01:05:10,410 --> 01:05:13,290 points of interest, and it has points of interest by category. 1174 01:05:13,290 --> 01:05:17,580 So those systems already, you know, kind of prebaked know, the 1175 01:05:17,580 --> 01:05:20,850 concepts. So you could have the no agenda category. And that 1176 01:05:20,850 --> 01:05:23,520 would just be points of interest or waypoints as they're 1177 01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:27,570 sometimes known. That would be ours, that, you know, the, it 1178 01:05:27,570 --> 01:05:31,170 really comes down to the someone the the tools, I guess, to 1179 01:05:31,170 --> 01:05:41,130 assemble and create a route or some kind of database stuff, you 1180 01:05:41,130 --> 01:05:43,380 know, and then of course, some application that is, you know, 1181 01:05:43,380 --> 01:05:46,230 constantly seeing, you know, if you're within proximity of one 1182 01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:48,810 of these waypoints, all that kind of exists, John, that's not 1183 01:05:48,810 --> 01:05:51,270 that's not all that big. I don't think that's a big deal. 1184 01:05:52,530 --> 01:05:54,510 Yeah, okay. Well, I mean, it's something that would be 1185 01:05:54,510 --> 01:05:56,820 interesting to get it. So it was institutionalised to such an 1186 01:05:56,820 --> 01:06:01,230 extreme that more than two people, more than two geeks with 1187 01:06:01,230 --> 01:06:05,550 an iPhone would subscribe to the no agenda tour of Amsterdam. 1188 01:06:05,910 --> 01:06:08,070 Well, which is what the market would be today. 1189 01:06:08,100 --> 01:06:11,220 This whole podcasting started with really two geeks, Adam 1190 01:06:11,220 --> 01:06:15,030 curry and Dave Winer sending movie files back and forth 1191 01:06:15,030 --> 01:06:19,230 through an RSS aggregator. It took three, four years before 1192 01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:22,860 even we had thought of coming up with with doing shows that, you 1193 01:06:22,860 --> 01:06:27,600 know, putting NP threes in regularly. So, you know, by 1194 01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:29,670 2012, we might have some, 1195 01:06:30,420 --> 01:06:33,060 maybe, but it seems to me that the GPS thing is not new, it's 1196 01:06:33,060 --> 01:06:36,060 already gone past the three year point. And 1197 01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:38,430 all these little bit, this is a GPS thing. But you know, we're 1198 01:06:38,430 --> 01:06:40,710 combining it with a couple things here. By the way, you 1199 01:06:40,710 --> 01:06:45,330 could you could also integrate RSS and subscribe to different 1200 01:06:45,330 --> 01:06:49,050 waypoint services. Come on, man. Yeah. 1201 01:06:51,420 --> 01:06:54,060 Yeah, no, I think there is some there because I wouldn't mind. 1202 01:06:54,660 --> 01:06:58,050 You know, I when I go to some of these places, for the first 1203 01:06:58,050 --> 01:07:03,540 time, you get, you know, you don't get good information from 1204 01:07:03,540 --> 01:07:06,990 the hotels, you know, that you don't you I mean, you just don't 1205 01:07:07,020 --> 01:07:09,270 you know, if you had somebody that you knew was there all the 1206 01:07:09,270 --> 01:07:12,540 time, and they put together a little tour, or salary, or just 1207 01:07:12,540 --> 01:07:15,120 a waypoint thing where you just if you happen to be going by it, 1208 01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:17,070 it beeps at you. And you can say, Oh, that's interesting, I 1209 01:07:17,070 --> 01:07:19,860 should go check this out or, or you know, restaurant tour or 1210 01:07:19,860 --> 01:07:20,400 whatever. 1211 01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:25,920 You have the the weeds service. So we know any city you're in, 1212 01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,410 you know, it would automatically start beeping when you're near 1213 01:07:28,410 --> 01:07:28,950 dealer. 1214 01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:33,120 Well, that's something you'd be interested in. 1215 01:07:33,150 --> 01:07:35,790 In fact, you could make it oh, here comes you can make it even 1216 01:07:35,790 --> 01:07:39,900 better. You could have the other side. Oh, this is cool. So let's 1217 01:07:39,900 --> 01:07:43,110 say this will be a great app for the iPhone. So let's just take 1218 01:07:43,110 --> 01:07:45,690 that as an example. Just because we mentioned not because I 1219 01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:48,450 really want that service, although so let's say if you're 1220 01:07:48,450 --> 01:07:52,200 a dealer, you could have the the reverse of the service, and it 1221 01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:57,030 would actually be broadcasting your location. It within the 1222 01:07:57,030 --> 01:08:01,500 category dealer. And then you could be on the lookout, you 1223 01:08:01,500 --> 01:08:04,140 could have your system set to automatically detect one of 1224 01:08:04,140 --> 01:08:05,760 these people so you can find each other. 1225 01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:11,550 All right, well, let's go to something more practical. Which 1226 01:08:11,550 --> 01:08:16,800 doesn't involve illegal activity for yourself. So well, you must 1227 01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:22,470 do the hookers then. So there be snared as speed traps. 1228 01:08:22,649 --> 01:08:26,429 Oh, well speed traps that so that system on gee, maybe this 1229 01:08:26,429 --> 01:08:28,979 is where I was where I got my idea for it. Can we talk about 1230 01:08:28,979 --> 01:08:29,819 that last week? 1231 01:08:29,999 --> 01:08:32,579 Yeah, there's some speed drop stuff. I don't know that we did. 1232 01:08:32,579 --> 01:08:34,679 But there's a bunch of speed trap websites. And there's all 1233 01:08:34,679 --> 01:08:35,639 kinds of speed trap. 1234 01:08:36,869 --> 01:08:40,319 really inexpensive device like you know, 30 pounds and you 1235 01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:42,719 stick it on your dashboard has batteries plugged into the 1236 01:08:42,899 --> 01:08:44,549 cigarette lighter and unscrew it, 1237 01:08:44,579 --> 01:08:47,939 put it on the cell phone have a specific ringtone. When you're 1238 01:08:47,939 --> 01:08:51,149 entering a city this would be very handy in the USA, you're 1239 01:08:51,269 --> 01:08:54,239 going into some little city that's loaded with speed traps. 1240 01:08:54,569 --> 01:08:58,199 The GPS thing was send an alarm to you saying slow down because 1241 01:08:58,199 --> 01:09:01,289 you're running into a speed trap. Beep beep beep beep beep 1242 01:09:01,469 --> 01:09:04,349 and you'd slow down and you drive through the speed trap and 1243 01:09:04,349 --> 01:09:06,899 then you'd get an all clear sign maybe or not 1244 01:09:06,899 --> 01:09:09,839 so Exactly, exactly. The point is that would work 1245 01:09:09,839 --> 01:09:11,669 I would subscribe to that service tomorrow. 1246 01:09:11,669 --> 01:09:14,519 Okay, would you carry an iPhone if it was available on the 1247 01:09:14,519 --> 01:09:16,949 iPhone? Because that's I think that's where it's gonna pop up 1248 01:09:16,949 --> 01:09:17,549 first 1249 01:09:19,260 --> 01:09:22,740 you know I yeah, I guess I could carry an iPhone. You know if I 1250 01:09:22,740 --> 01:09:26,100 had crap I don't like carrying phones you know that people 1251 01:09:26,100 --> 01:09:28,530 don't understand I don't really like being on the phone all day 1252 01:09:28,530 --> 01:09:31,200 and all night. I don't carry a phone generally a baby 1253 01:09:31,199 --> 01:09:34,889 listen to me you don't need that. I carry a separate phone 1254 01:09:34,919 --> 01:09:38,129 even with the iPhone. I want a phone that just does a phone and 1255 01:09:38,129 --> 01:09:40,709 by the way I want one I could drop in the toilet get run over 1256 01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:42,509 by a truck and it'll still be a phone 1257 01:09:43,799 --> 01:09:46,229 track phone for that by the way but I know you do. They should 1258 01:09:46,229 --> 01:09:48,539 be sponsoring our show but I should We should call them up. 1259 01:09:48,689 --> 01:09:51,089 Yeah, well, so should Cessna. Let's call them up to 1260 01:09:52,259 --> 01:09:54,959 Cessna should be spot well. I don't know how many people out 1261 01:09:54,959 --> 01:09:56,459 there with by assessment that we probably 1262 01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,280 are you kidding me? I guarantee you there's lots of people in 1263 01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:02,430 aviation who will Listen to me. And I bet you I bet you there, 1264 01:10:02,490 --> 01:10:03,810 there are future pilots 1265 01:10:03,809 --> 01:10:08,579 who will buy assess Trac phones should both paying for this. 1266 01:10:10,289 --> 01:10:14,249 Bam, all of a sudden a missed opportunity. Yeah, that'll be 1267 01:10:14,249 --> 01:10:17,789 the day There you go. When that wouldn't be funny, if we were 1268 01:10:17,789 --> 01:10:18,839 sponsored by Apple, 1269 01:10:20,399 --> 01:10:23,669 it would be funny. I mean, you don't need to be sponsored. What 1270 01:10:23,669 --> 01:10:25,439 I would suggest, and I think we're going to have to find some 1271 01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:29,639 way of doing this is just doing these product placement 1272 01:10:29,759 --> 01:10:33,299 discussions, as they sounds like that's what we're doing anyway, 1273 01:10:33,329 --> 01:10:33,539 as 1274 01:10:33,539 --> 01:10:38,699 they all are. We do it differently. We, you know, as 1275 01:10:38,699 --> 01:10:41,849 our audience grows, which, you know, it really is going quite 1276 01:10:41,879 --> 01:10:45,599 swiftly. Just you know, what are we now this is the 31st episode. 1277 01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:48,179 So certain point, we'll just we'll just have a large 1278 01:10:48,179 --> 01:10:50,159 audience. When we talk about some product, we'll just send 1279 01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:51,509 them a bill and just see what 1280 01:10:55,020 --> 01:11:02,730 here's your bill, like $45,000 Jerks. A bill? It's full Apple, 1281 01:11:02,730 --> 01:11:08,160 they're already in the hole. Big time. Not nothing I had to do 1282 01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:09,600 with it. I'll tell you that right now, wait 1283 01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,570 a minute. But when we what we should make it fair. And if we 1284 01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:15,510 if we really slam a product, we should send them a check. 1285 01:11:16,980 --> 01:11:19,590 Absolutely. So you know that now so then we have a little fun 1286 01:11:19,590 --> 01:11:23,340 going right? And then then, or some equivalent of a check or 1287 01:11:23,340 --> 01:11:25,440 something to make, right? Whatever we think is wrong. I 1288 01:11:25,440 --> 01:11:26,400 don't know, something like that. 1289 01:11:27,210 --> 01:11:30,000 Wow, you know, I don't think we get to make right what we think 1290 01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:31,620 is wrong if the product sucks, 1291 01:11:32,069 --> 01:11:36,059 true. But maybe sending them a check will be funny. So until 1292 01:11:36,089 --> 01:11:40,889 you go. So you join, you join our advertising club. And if 1293 01:11:40,889 --> 01:11:43,109 you're lucky, we talk about your product, we send you a check if 1294 01:11:43,109 --> 01:11:46,379 you're unlucky, we talk about your product. And then it can be 1295 01:11:46,409 --> 01:11:50,309 1000s of companies we most will never talk about. But if we slam 1296 01:11:50,309 --> 01:11:51,689 your product or send you a check, 1297 01:11:52,139 --> 01:11:55,379 I like it. I like the advertising club aspect. Nice, 1298 01:11:55,379 --> 01:11:57,419 isn't it? Yeah. It's kind of like yeah, you have the 1299 01:11:57,419 --> 01:11:59,789 advertising club, you guys we get we'll list it for the 1300 01:11:59,789 --> 01:12:02,009 listeners. Here's the people that we're going to maybe or 1301 01:12:02,009 --> 01:12:05,909 maybe not talk about in a pro or con way. And of course, you 1302 01:12:05,909 --> 01:12:09,389 know, there'll be some jerks out there that will track it. I seen 1303 01:12:09,389 --> 01:12:12,479 it that they talked about Apple three times and they didn't say 1304 01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:17,489 anything bad about and you know, that kind of thing. There's 1305 01:12:17,489 --> 01:12:21,839 credibility, but we I think we can do it. Yeah. Yeah, I think 1306 01:12:21,839 --> 01:12:24,749 we can much credibility do we need that's what I say? 1307 01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:31,019 Far Must we go? Oh, man. All right. You got anything else? 1308 01:12:31,019 --> 01:12:31,379 John? 1309 01:12:33,119 --> 01:12:35,459 Got plenty. But you know, I think we're running out of time. 1310 01:12:35,939 --> 01:12:38,099 Actually time one of these days. Well, 70 1311 01:12:38,939 --> 01:12:41,459 I sent you the thing about you know, the Bordeaux in a box 1312 01:12:41,459 --> 01:12:45,419 somebody sent me Twitter's as your wine guy. What do you think 1313 01:12:45,419 --> 01:12:46,649 about Bordeaux box? 1314 01:12:46,649 --> 01:12:49,019 So actually, there was something that caught my eye in that 1315 01:12:49,019 --> 01:12:54,779 article. And of course, like an idiot. I closed it. Crap. Do you 1316 01:12:54,779 --> 01:12:56,279 have it open? Do that article open? 1317 01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:00,600 The Bordeaux in the box article? Yeah. Let me see. I got it. It's 1318 01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:03,630 actually on the Twitter feed. Let me just by the way, anyone 1319 01:13:03,630 --> 01:13:08,550 who wants to so called the Devorah gate, 1320 01:13:08,789 --> 01:13:13,469 hold on, hold on a second. John. Downloading the the wine in a 1321 01:13:13,469 --> 01:13:19,199 Box page. Just cut the Skype off for a second there. Hold on. Are 1322 01:13:19,199 --> 01:13:19,619 you there? 1323 01:13:20,579 --> 01:13:25,289 Yeah. Okay. It you got to get a better link I've got I've got 16 1324 01:13:25,289 --> 01:13:27,419 megabits coming down on my stream 1325 01:13:27,420 --> 01:13:31,320 dude. I'm about to move to to London just to get a better link 1326 01:13:31,350 --> 01:13:35,520 that with all three of us are so fed up with the level of service 1327 01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:38,460 we can get. And that's just because of the proximity of our 1328 01:13:38,460 --> 01:13:43,050 house to the exchange. I've had a cable modem and cable on order 1329 01:13:43,050 --> 01:13:46,980 from Virgin Media for about three months. I mean, they they 1330 01:13:46,980 --> 01:13:50,190 acquired a company called NTL, also known in the United Kingdom 1331 01:13:50,190 --> 01:13:55,320 as NT hell, and they have not yet implemented the Virgin brand 1332 01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:59,970 of customer service as far as I'm concerned. So we're gonna 1333 01:13:59,970 --> 01:14:02,250 just gonna, we're gonna move to get a better connection 1334 01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:05,790 blanches called Branson Oh, I chose friend. 1335 01:14:05,909 --> 01:14:09,989 He he what's he gonna go? He's gonna dig up. He's gonna build a 1336 01:14:09,989 --> 01:14:13,529 new exchange closer to my house. Just because he's my friend. 1337 01:14:14,159 --> 01:14:17,489 Okay, he's Bordeaux in cartons the last straw for French wine. 1338 01:14:17,489 --> 01:14:18,179 That was it. 1339 01:14:19,380 --> 01:14:22,380 By the way, somebody else was sent a topic idea in per my 1340 01:14:22,380 --> 01:14:27,900 stories. Blog it boy, man killed on tracks while listening to an 1341 01:14:27,900 --> 01:14:29,580 iPod. Wait a 1342 01:14:29,580 --> 01:14:33,870 minute, I want to say something about the wine and a carton. The 1343 01:14:33,870 --> 01:14:39,240 wine in the carton is one thing. But it comes with a sensory 1344 01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:44,640 straw with four holes which are in the straw to send a spray of 1345 01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:48,660 wine around the palate, and ensure you enjoy exactly the 1346 01:14:48,660 --> 01:14:53,190 same sensations as with a wineglass. That is technology. 1347 01:14:53,190 --> 01:14:58,470 My friend. That is technology. I got to try that when I get to 1348 01:14:58,470 --> 01:15:01,260 San Francisco which I'm sure will be in next week or two, 1349 01:15:01,290 --> 01:15:05,940 maybe three weeks. Let's let's have a carton of wine together 1350 01:15:05,940 --> 01:15:08,580 with a sensory straw. I'll share a straw Why 1351 01:15:08,580 --> 01:15:11,910 don't you Why don't you find see if you can find that you check 1352 01:15:11,910 --> 01:15:17,310 luggage ever luggage? Yeah when you come over carry on. 1353 01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:21,600 Of course I check luggage I carry you know I never I never 1354 01:15:21,690 --> 01:15:24,450 you've never seen the same the same to clothes twice. 1355 01:15:25,319 --> 01:15:28,019 That's true you know this guy for anyone out there listening. 1356 01:15:28,169 --> 01:15:30,329 This guy has never been asked why he didn't want me talking 1357 01:15:30,329 --> 01:15:33,179 about these shirts I was having tailor made because I wear 1358 01:15:33,179 --> 01:15:37,139 shirts more than once. I have you know I get them cleaned and 1359 01:15:37,139 --> 01:15:39,779 washed them I put you see you're wrong. You're wrong where 1360 01:15:39,779 --> 01:15:42,389 everything once no throw it out. You know? 1361 01:15:42,420 --> 01:15:44,640 I do first of all, I do not throw it out. Second of all, 1362 01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:47,520 you're wrong. What I actually do is I'm much better at 1363 01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,610 coordinating I know exactly what outfits you've seen me in and I 1364 01:15:50,610 --> 01:15:52,980 make sure I wear something different to to keep you 1365 01:15:52,980 --> 01:15:53,790 entertained. 1366 01:15:54,930 --> 01:15:59,250 And that's not true. You know it it is so Okay, okay. Yeah, I 1367 01:15:59,250 --> 01:16:02,040 wonder what do I did the vortex see this, but I'm gonna try a 1368 01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:02,640 different shirt. 1369 01:16:02,670 --> 01:16:06,180 When I got when I go on as an example, when we go out to 1370 01:16:06,180 --> 01:16:10,290 dinner. Yes, I absolutely. No matter who you are. John C. 1371 01:16:10,290 --> 01:16:11,130 Dvorak 1372 01:16:12,630 --> 01:16:17,610 will speak for yourself. But when I go on, on cranky geeks, I 1373 01:16:17,610 --> 01:16:20,490 know I would never wear the same thing twice. Dude, I'm in show 1374 01:16:20,490 --> 01:16:22,560 business. This is what I did a woman. 1375 01:16:22,710 --> 01:16:27,870 Okay. Okay. Let's get back here. When you guys went off topic, I 1376 01:16:27,870 --> 01:16:34,020 mean, let me just say what I was gonna say. Get above one of the 1377 01:16:34,050 --> 01:16:37,590 we get two of the whites to the white wines and two of the red, 1378 01:16:37,590 --> 01:16:40,950 skip the one in the middle. And bring so bring four of these 1379 01:16:40,950 --> 01:16:45,090 little boxes of wine in checked luggage because you can't 1380 01:16:45,090 --> 01:16:47,340 obviously get it through any other way. And then we'll check 1381 01:16:47,340 --> 01:16:48,330 it out at a restaurant. 1382 01:16:49,409 --> 01:16:51,509 Or we're going to drink this wine in a restaurant. 1383 01:16:51,870 --> 01:16:54,000 Yeah, we'll go to free golf because they always like game 1384 01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:55,290 for crazy things like that. 1385 01:16:57,569 --> 01:17:01,349 Okay, where can I get it? Hold on. It's called that was it. 1386 01:17:01,619 --> 01:17:05,399 Tandem is what it's called. No, and it's here it is the homeless 1387 01:17:05,399 --> 01:17:12,779 inhabitants. Tan ahead is produced by core da Mensa raw 1388 01:17:12,809 --> 01:17:18,299 mixers out. Mess mistress.mr Lazar is that French and German 1389 01:17:18,750 --> 01:17:22,530 giant corporation think they're yours. Oh 1390 01:17:22,529 --> 01:17:27,899 no. Which has been selling fine wine since Oh, are there you go. 1391 01:17:28,739 --> 01:17:31,619 So this thing from Nigeria which has been selling fine wine, 1392 01:17:31,889 --> 01:17:37,529 Nigeria, Algeria Algeria since 1886. Now they maybe they're 1393 01:17:37,529 --> 01:17:40,679 French? I don't know. The 25 cents a litre product called 1394 01:17:40,679 --> 01:17:43,439 tandem will arrive in Britain next week at the London 1395 01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:48,179 International Wine fair. John C. Dvorak. I'm thinking roadtrip. 1396 01:17:51,509 --> 01:17:54,899 London International Wine fair go figure. 1397 01:17:55,800 --> 01:18:01,140 I'd probably be good for last photo up. Anyway, so they gotta 1398 01:18:01,140 --> 01:18:04,950 read a why in a Rosae. When you skip the Rosae we know that's 1399 01:18:04,950 --> 01:18:06,990 going to be crap. And 1400 01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:13,080 the two I want to maybe the do you think they sell the straws 1401 01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:17,970 separately? That would be cool. Here London International Wine 1402 01:18:17,970 --> 01:18:21,390 fair. Well, excuse me. 1403 01:18:22,140 --> 01:18:24,660 See the bad news. In his articles. The following the 1404 01:18:24,660 --> 01:18:27,810 annual wine consumption of France has fallen from 100 1405 01:18:27,810 --> 01:18:32,550 litres per person to 54 litres per person during the last 40 1406 01:18:32,550 --> 01:18:34,860 Nobody's even drinking in France anymore. No wonder the country's 1407 01:18:34,860 --> 01:18:37,230 in trouble. Why is that? Do you think that's interesting? It's 1408 01:18:37,230 --> 01:18:41,880 because of the Muslim influence. Really plan just guessing. I 1409 01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:44,310 mean, what else could add that into teetotallers which are all 1410 01:18:44,310 --> 01:18:46,500 over the place? I don't know. 1411 01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:51,030 For the visitors, the fair can be hugely beneficial. The 1412 01:18:51,030 --> 01:18:54,750 opportunity to meet with over 1200 exhibitors from every major 1413 01:18:54,750 --> 01:18:57,630 producing country all in one place and to taste the new 1414 01:18:57,630 --> 01:19:00,900 vintage in a relaxed yet professional environment saves 1415 01:19:00,900 --> 01:19:02,280 time and money. 1416 01:19:02,789 --> 01:19:05,759 Yeah, that's what Vinexpo is all about. This is a bigger event 1417 01:19:06,119 --> 01:19:08,579 than it is for the lazy guys. It can't get out of England and 1418 01:19:08,579 --> 01:19:11,549 take a trip to the continent. But anyway, back to this this 1419 01:19:11,549 --> 01:19:14,099 product. The guy think was asking me what do I think you 1420 01:19:14,099 --> 01:19:16,979 know, so I don't think these are ever bad idea. And it's nothing 1421 01:19:16,979 --> 01:19:19,889 new. I mean, Beaujolais used to be in a cabin in the 70s is not 1422 01:19:19,889 --> 01:19:23,459 that big of a deal. You can still buy wine and bladders. All 1423 01:19:23,459 --> 01:19:25,679 throughout France, you bring your own bladder, it's a big old 1424 01:19:25,769 --> 01:19:28,439 plastic thing and you fill it up right from the barrel. And 1425 01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:31,199 there's still wine in a box that comes out of Bordeaux from 1426 01:19:31,199 --> 01:19:35,159 various little chateaus. And so this is just taking it to a kind 1427 01:19:35,159 --> 01:19:39,089 of a junk wine level. I'm sure this wine is not that good. But 1428 01:19:39,089 --> 01:19:41,489 for just something if you want to just have some wine to help 1429 01:19:41,489 --> 01:19:44,429 digest your horrible lunch if you happen to be working in some 1430 01:19:44,429 --> 01:19:48,059 place in San Francisco incident at startup where there's no good 1431 01:19:48,059 --> 01:19:51,149 restaurants just might be not a bad solution. I think you know, 1432 01:19:51,149 --> 01:19:53,609 a couple of these couple communities, things would be 1433 01:19:53,609 --> 01:19:54,089 good for you. 1434 01:19:54,359 --> 01:19:58,349 I think that this will be potentially a hit with Patricia 1435 01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:06,480 maybe in my beaches that's maybe the maybe the Dutch in general 1436 01:20:06,480 --> 01:20:07,560 would go for this stuff 1437 01:20:09,119 --> 01:20:14,669 suck it and see is the the Guardian headlines about it and 1438 01:20:14,669 --> 01:20:18,659 see what's a good headline 1439 01:20:19,229 --> 01:20:22,289 one person complain that the problem with this you know some 1440 01:20:22,289 --> 01:20:26,909 some snoot and I you know and I as a wine connoisseur collector 1441 01:20:26,909 --> 01:20:32,129 I not as bad as I sound, but I can see some snoot saying well 1442 01:20:32,129 --> 01:20:34,919 you know you can't smell it in the glass and blah blah blah 1443 01:20:34,919 --> 01:20:36,929 blah blah you know this is why is it probably shouldn't even 1444 01:20:36,929 --> 01:20:39,479 the red wine in this case you'd probably be in the refrigerator 1445 01:20:39,539 --> 01:20:43,679 anyway. And it's not a wine you know so wine as it is wine is a 1446 01:20:43,679 --> 01:20:47,369 beverage is not wine as it is a as a target of affection and 1447 01:20:47,369 --> 01:20:50,729 intellectualism. You know, we're all though knows it's got the 1448 01:20:50,759 --> 01:20:52,529 orange blossom so now here's 1449 01:20:54,090 --> 01:20:56,940 another data point for you. So this Guardian article that's 1450 01:20:56,940 --> 01:21:03,720 titled Sukkot and see is from September 13 2007. And indeed, 1451 01:21:03,780 --> 01:21:08,250 it's talking about the straw. Really, they didn't even have 1452 01:21:08,250 --> 01:21:11,280 the carton then so the carton it seems was an afterthought. 1453 01:21:12,210 --> 01:21:14,670 Drinking from the special straws is said to recreate the 1454 01:21:14,670 --> 01:21:19,080 sensation of tasting wine from a glass quote, bringing small wine 1455 01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:21,990 containers with straws to a party is more amusing than 1456 01:21:21,990 --> 01:21:26,910 arriving with a bottle Hmm How about that? I 1457 01:21:26,910 --> 01:21:28,890 gotta get a hold of some of these straws. I'm 1458 01:21:28,889 --> 01:21:31,139 telling you man that's what caught my eye I'm like that is 1459 01:21:31,139 --> 01:21:32,789 some awesome technology. 1460 01:21:33,810 --> 01:21:40,020 So hole is patentable? Let's put it in a hole in his wind is 1461 01:21:40,020 --> 01:21:40,770 straw. 1462 01:21:41,100 --> 01:21:44,790 I know a guy patented that shit. And he's got 1463 01:21:46,739 --> 01:21:49,199 now I gotta look up sensory straw 1464 01:21:50,189 --> 01:21:54,569 shit. I should have been googling that sensory string 1465 01:21:54,569 --> 01:21:59,849 on it Tetra pack was launched sensory straw. Sensory straw 1466 01:21:59,849 --> 01:22:05,429 makes drinking fun. Tetra pack carton Ambien sensory straw to 1467 01:22:05,429 --> 01:22:09,779 be launched in Australia. Sensory straw tackles different 1468 01:22:09,779 --> 01:22:16,289 taste buds, bullshit. Tools for innovation making milk Milk 1469 01:22:16,289 --> 01:22:19,679 interactive. They're gonna use it with milk for kids. When kids 1470 01:22:19,679 --> 01:22:22,319 take a sip the liquid flows in all four directions at the same 1471 01:22:22,319 --> 01:22:25,319 time tickling the kids when he gets this. 1472 01:22:25,500 --> 01:22:29,010 Hey, dude. So I was just looking for sensory straw a patent. 1473 01:22:29,580 --> 01:22:33,060 Right. And here's what I ran across. It's a different patent. 1474 01:22:33,480 --> 01:22:38,310 US Patent 6129265 beverage container with entertainment 1475 01:22:38,310 --> 01:22:42,360 features. That trips me 1476 01:22:43,890 --> 01:22:48,690 this is interesting. Yeah, it's funny. It is funny. Now, there's 1477 01:22:48,690 --> 01:22:52,620 a in the dare on the dairy foods.com There's a picture is 1478 01:22:52,620 --> 01:22:55,710 fairly good. Close up, it's close enough that you can see 1479 01:22:55,710 --> 01:22:59,370 the straw. It's got a knob on the end. And I guess it's kind 1480 01:22:59,370 --> 01:23:01,830 of like the only to just shake funny. It's kind of like the 1481 01:23:01,830 --> 01:23:04,620 thing you get on a Pavoni cappuccino machine the milk 1482 01:23:04,620 --> 01:23:07,680 steamer that has the holes going every which way. And that's what 1483 01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:10,860 it looks like it's modelled after. And so when you suck on 1484 01:23:10,860 --> 01:23:14,130 this thing, and they sell the straws with flavours in them 1485 01:23:14,130 --> 01:23:14,610 too. 1486 01:23:17,220 --> 01:23:19,140 Oh, you're not gonna believe this. I'm gonna say this is a 1487 01:23:19,170 --> 01:23:22,770 this is a link to the year the TETRA pack website. 1488 01:23:23,850 --> 01:23:26,760 I am at Nam the dairy foods.com. website. Look 1489 01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:30,240 at look at that link. I'm Skyping you right now. So this 1490 01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:37,260 is the history of of this company. Check this out. In 1491 01:23:37,260 --> 01:23:42,210 1890, Clemens von Bechtolsheim develops and patent takes out a 1492 01:23:42,210 --> 01:23:45,180 patent for the first models of the so called Alpha plates, 1493 01:23:45,480 --> 01:23:50,370 which are at the very heart of a separator. Wait a minute. Is 1494 01:23:50,370 --> 01:23:53,040 that is that the straw? Is that the straw technology now I'm 1495 01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:53,730 confused? 1496 01:23:54,419 --> 01:23:57,449 No, this is DT we're talking about the de Laval family. These 1497 01:23:57,449 --> 01:24:00,689 are guys who made centrifuges. So we're talking to separate our 1498 01:24:00,689 --> 01:24:03,539 machine able to continue this is this is this is called a canoe. 1499 01:24:04,349 --> 01:24:07,109 This is one of those continuous centrifuges that in other words, 1500 01:24:07,109 --> 01:24:12,449 you don't keep it in a single in a single container. And you can 1501 01:24:12,449 --> 01:24:17,429 centrifuge stuff out in a process. So never stops. This is 1502 01:24:17,429 --> 01:24:20,309 used in the wine business and other 1503 01:24:21,060 --> 01:24:25,260 people to look at 2003 the sensory straw concept was launch 1504 01:24:26,010 --> 01:24:30,270 a new golf or whatever. Okay, so they alone. They've been sitting 1505 01:24:30,300 --> 01:24:32,580 on man, can you believe it? They've been sitting on this 1506 01:24:32,580 --> 01:24:35,940 shit and depriving it from us for five years. I have not had 1507 01:24:35,940 --> 01:24:37,530 the pleasure of a sensory straw. 1508 01:24:37,919 --> 01:24:41,339 It's a gimmick. Anyway, let's get some of those straws. But 1509 01:24:41,339 --> 01:24:43,439 let's get some of those who want to check it out and 1510 01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:49,260 report back. Yes, definitely. Definitely. I think it's I think 1511 01:24:49,260 --> 01:24:49,830 it's important. 1512 01:24:49,859 --> 01:24:52,769 I love that picture of the kid at the top of this page right on 1513 01:24:55,020 --> 01:24:56,610 top of which page of the 1514 01:24:56,610 --> 01:24:59,370 History page that you were looking at. Okay, I go back to 1515 01:24:59,460 --> 01:25:00,480 the TETRA Back, 1516 01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:04,500 sipping a fucking a big mug of why 1517 01:25:06,029 --> 01:25:09,509 fuck a wine. This kid looks so happy. 1518 01:25:10,889 --> 01:25:14,159 You know why? Because? Well actually the kids not even using 1519 01:25:14,159 --> 01:25:18,509 the sensory straw. Hmm. Well, then there's something there. 1520 01:25:19,499 --> 01:25:22,619 Let's quit while we're still ahead, John. Yep. That's a good 1521 01:25:22,619 --> 01:25:25,679 idea. All right. Hey, can I just say this was a fun show? I 1522 01:25:25,679 --> 01:25:28,649 enjoyed it. We learned something. Yes, we did. We 1523 01:25:28,649 --> 01:25:31,229 started a couple businesses, we learned something and we have 1524 01:25:31,229 --> 01:25:34,829 homework, which means we have to get some of the tandem wines in 1525 01:25:34,829 --> 01:25:40,619 a carton with the sensory straw mechanism, great technology. You 1526 01:25:40,619 --> 01:25:49,859 know, the astronauts use that space shuttle. Okay. All right. 1527 01:25:51,359 --> 01:25:54,629 That's it coming to you from the curry man or in the United 1528 01:25:54,629 --> 01:25:55,979 Kingdom. I'm Adam curry, 1529 01:25:56,699 --> 01:25:59,009 and I'm from Northern California. I'm John C. Dvorak 1530 01:25:59,039 --> 01:25:59,579 and we'll talk to 1531 01:25:59,580 --> 01:26:01,830 you again next week right here on no agenda.