people who swim across the channel lunatics adam curry john
c devora it's sunday may 10 2026 this is your
award-winning gibbon nation media assassination episode 1876 this is no
agenda celebrating mob Broadcasting live from Amsterdam. In the morning,
everybody, I'm Adam Curry. Yeah, from Refinery Row here in
Northern California. We miss our moms and wish them all
a happy Mother's Day. I'm John C. DeBore. Yeah, that's
right. I keep forgetting. We don't have moms. Well, we
have moms. No. We don't have living moms. Ah, this
is the difference. We have moms no longer with us,
yes. And as we know, most people who listen to
the show hate their mom. Or is it? Or so
it seems, except during COVID. Has it changed somewhat, perhaps?
Oh, I can't visit my mom. Oh, no. Second show
from the... You know, I looked out the window this
morning. And that sign that caught fire in the hotel?
Yeah. Literally outside our room. And they took it down.
I took a picture. It's all scorched. The wall is
all scorched. I think that is weird. thing called fire.
Yeah. It's short. There's a couple other strange things I
just have to talk about. Boots on the ground, you
know, on Thursday, we had just arrived, and you had
only seen the inside. at the airport and I've been
around I've been walking I went to see Christina we
did the gender reveal we did the gender reveal big
gender reveal party This is where you scoff. This is
where you scoff. They're kind of dumb. It was fun,
though. It was nice. So first of all, In the
Netherlands, this may be an EU-wide thing. They have done
something to plastic bottles. And this is very odd to
me. When you open the top of the plastic bottle,
It stays attached to the bottle. You can't actually... No,
it's got a little thing on it. Yeah, it's got
a little thing on it. And I'm thinking, okay, I'm
sure this is for climate change or to save the
Earth. But have you ever had a bottle of water?
Yeah, I've had a bottle of water. And have you
just, when you're done with your bottle of water, do
you just throw the cap away or do you put
the cap on and throw the bottle away? What I
tend to do. Oh, here we go. I take the
bottle, which is usually plastic. Yes. And I squeeze it
to it so it's like shrunk into the smallest possible
piece. Then I put the cap on it so it
can't return to its original size. Then it takes up
less space in the garbage can. So you are actually
doing a good thing for the earth with the cap.
Yep. But you don't need the cap attached to remember.
Does anyone throw the bottle cap away outside of the
bottles? Anyone do this? I think it's been done. Oh,
it doesn't seem like a number one thing. And it's
kind of annoying because you want to drink out of
the bottle and then... Yeah, you don't want the thing
slapping you in the nose. Yes, exactly. Europe. I have
a, I, before you go on with your little... which
is important, your conversation about it. It's very important. I
have to play this in Amsterdam clip, which is a
girl on Insta. Talking about the screwball stuff that she's
run into and she's grilling her fake friend about it.
Here we go. Hey, excuse me, Amsterdam. Quick question. Yeah,
what is it? So I thought Amsterdam was one of
those places where anything goes, but I'm hearing something of
a ban that recently went into effect. Well. Even we
have our limits. But smoking in coffee shops are still
legal, yes? Yeah. As are magic mushrooms. Yeah. And public
nudity. Yeah. So what could have crossed the line that
you have to ban it now? That would be public
advertising of fossil fuel products, including meat. So no more
ads. for gas-powered cars, airlines, or chicken nuggets? Correct. Well,
I have a lot of questions, but besides that, is
there anything else you've been cracking down on recently? Yeah,
young British men. What? You're banning British men? No, no,
not a ban, but we do have an advertising campaign.
telling them to stay away. So let me get this
straight. In a city known for permissiveness, you're drawing the
line at British dudes and ads for cheeseburgers. Yeah, naturally.
Because one ruins the climate and the other ruins our
city. Yeah. Well, the ban on young British men, that's...
that's been going for a while and I think it's
kind of slowed down because of cheap airfare is over.
now that they have barely any fuel. Yeah, that's true.
Because, you know, they were getting on the easy jet
for 50 bucks and flying over and getting... You just
fall down drunk. And peeing in the mailbox. Party town.
Yeah, peeing in the mailboxes and stuff like that. Yeah.
Well, unfortunately, the mailboxes are connected to the door. You
know, it's not like a separate mailbox. So you're peeing
into someone's house through the mailbox. So, yeah, the British
boys were a bit of a problem. But listen to
this. So we go to the gender reveal. And my
first wife is there, who I haven't seen in 10
years. So, you know, it was kind of an interesting...
interesting vibe all around. You know, the... Tina had never
met her. So, you know, you can imagine that was
interesting. That was great. Actually, it was great. It was
actually really nice. What do you think? The first question
she asked me, we sat down for a couple of
minutes. What do you think the first question was that
she asked me? Well, I would say this if I
was her. Think carefully. Think carefully now. I would say.
Hi Adam, how's the show going? Yeah, no. You get
another guess. No? No, you get another guess. Uhhh... Hi
Adam, how's your hemorrhoids? You finally got them cleared up?
Okay. No. Great, John, no. No! No? She says... I'm
sure everyone has asked you this. Uh oh. You want
to guess now? Oh, everyone has asked you this. How
do you like Texas? First she said, hey, is that
old dude still alive? No, that's not what she asked.
She said. What do you think of President Trump? Oh,
I should have gotten guessed that. What am I thinking?
The first question out of the gate. And... It is
the first question from everybody. I didn't expect it from
her because, yes, there were a lot of questions she
could have had as the first one at the top
of her mind. But even... You know Taxi Eric, you
know Taxi Eric, the guy that tried to kill you
once? Oh yeah, they almost got me killed. Almost got
you killed. He says that whenever he gets Americans in
the car, he picks them up from the airport. They
all go, oh, Trump. Oh, we hate Trump. We hate
Trump. Everyone hates Trump. And I'm like, that's odd. So
only Democrats are traveling to Holland now? No, no, no.
I think it's because people are afraid. Oh, I get
it. Yeah, I've pulled that stunt. You know, because they
know that all of Europe hates Trump. Now, that is
also not true because Taxi Eric doesn't hate Trump. And
so anyway, so then my answer to my first wife
was, Well... You know... I like a lot of things
he's doing. For instance, our borders are closed and he's
kicking out the undesirables. When you say this, and it
works in every case, not just in ex-wives. When you
say this, they go. Yeah, wow, I wish we had
a guy here to do something like that. I bet,
yeah. That's exactly what they say. And there's other things
that he's done that I think are pretty good. Well,
yeah, yeah, yeah. I hadn't thought about that. So, but
every single person, the same thing. First you say. I
like Trump. I think he's doing some good stuff. And
their face goes... And then you just have to say,
our borders are closed. And we're kicking out the undesirables.
I like the use of the term undesirable. That's a
good one. Well, isn't that the truth? The undesirable? Yeah,
it's just a term nobody uses anymore. Perfect. Very apt.
It's good. It's good. And then I guess the only
other thing that I noticed here... is the ratio of
commercials to programming. is worse than the United States. It
is 21 commercials. to every 12 minutes of programming. no
matter what time of day. 21. 21 commercials of what
length? Uh, varying between 15 and 60? So what they
do here a lot is they'll have a... A 60?
And then they'll have another commercial and they'll come back
with a 15 second, which is like a little bonus
for the one previous. So they'll, you know, they'll do
a thing for some chocolate and then there's like washing
powder and they'll say, hey, don't forget that chocolate. It's
really good. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think we do that
in the States anymore, do we? It's been done, but
it hasn't. It's not popular. No. Uh, so, uh, I
do have... a clip here about the extreme ban on
burgers and petrol and cruises from someone who is very
disappointing. I thought it was just meat. Now I'm understanding
it's... No, it's all climate stuff. It's... Anything that has
to do with fossil fuel. Yes, cruise lines. Airlines, petrol
cars, all of that is for Boaten. Now the Dutch,
Amsterdam, putting in place... ban that is so extreme it
has attracted worldwide attention. Before I get to that though,
certainly in recent years the Netherlands has seen some pretty
extreme policies. I mean, in the name of the so-called
Green Agenda and to comply with EU rules, the Dutch
government for some reason wanted to close down thousands of
farms across the country to cut down nitrogen pollution and
even went this far that if farmers refused to sell
up, that the Dutch authorities would push ahead with compulsory
purchases of farms to shut them down. And what you've
now seen... is this in Amsterdam the There is now
a ban in place. for certain public adverts. So Amsterdam
now from the 1st of May, so this is coming
to effect now. Adverts for burgers, petrol cars, air travel
and cruises. banned from appearing on billboards, tram shelters. or
metro stations because of the outlook on environmental targets from
the Amsterdam authorities who for some reason want to reduce
local meat consumption. And yeah, believe it or not, this
is now the policy. being implemented in Amsterdam. And things
could get even more extreme in terms of Amsterdam because
it seems now the city actually looking at banning cruise
ships completely. They're going to look to end sea cruises
by 2030. Five. They've already decided to reduce the number
of cruise ships allowed to dock in Amsterdam. That nearly
halved. And they're now looking at banning cruise ships, something
that, of course, will cost them a huge amount of
money in terms of port and tourist taxes. And what
is not reported is they've reduced the number of slots
available at the airport. So to fly direct to Amsterdam
is expensive. I mean, it's already expensive because of... uh
oil price and jet fuel availability but there's even more
i mean you look at the ticket It's 75% is
taxes and fees and carbon and extra airport fees just
because they don't have enough slots for airplane. This is
a huge hub at International Airport. The Dutch are crazy.
And everyone's complaining about the Prime Minister, Twinkle Toes. who
suckered all the young people in by being openly gay.
Like, oh yes, LGBTQ, it's going to be great. And
this kid, all he does is stuff for rich people.
So this is a country in decline. sad to see.
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Kill the cruise
lines and then take an international hub of major importance
and screw it? Yeah. That's exactly what they do. Why?
to save the world. For climate change? Are they nuts?
Yes. And check this, so Taxi Eric... It isn't a
full-blown law yet, but they're going to disallow. all diesel
cars and trucks from the city center. And soon it
will be, I think that may already be in effect.
And most of these cabs, you know, these Mercedes cabs
all used to drive on diesel, of course. because it's
much cheaper here. Um... And so now they're going to
ban petrol cars. So he got a hybrid. And he
can drive about 100 kilometers on battery alone, which is
enough to drive into the city center and out a
couple times a day. But they have so many electric
vehicles. and such a lack of... energy available and grid
capacity. that he can't even get a three-phase charger at
home. He has to plug this thing into the wall,
and it takes four hours to charge something that could
charge in 25 minutes. um And there are new homes
being built that will never get electricity. We can't extend
the grid to these new homes. where they already have
hundreds of thousands of homes in shortage because they've given
it to all the asylum seekers. This is crazy. Why
people are not revolting here, I don't understand. It was
a long-term strategy. I understand it now. That's why you
legalized marijuana and magic mushrooms. Woo! It's all good, brother.
Yeah, there you go. You nailed it. You nailed it.
I don't know what they're going to do in Hungary.
Here's the latest update. Now they got the new guy
in. It's a new era for Hungary. Peter Modior is
set to take his oath as prime minister inside Budapest's
neo-Gothic parliament. He has called on Hungarians to mark the
day with a huge party. Celebrating the end of the
Orban era. We must immediately begin putting our country back
in order, bringing home EU funds, restarting the economy and
improving public services, as well as healing the wounds caused
over recent decades, reunifying the Hungarian nation and of course...
ensuring justice so that those who committed the crimes of
the previous system are held accountable. Was it that bad?
Did we just miss all the reporting? I thought everyone
loved Orban. uh they did the the corruption i got
i i think got too much or ramped up i
have a Report from the BBC, it's similar. Okay, hold
on a second. Let me see. Is it under Hungary?
Why, yes it is. Okay. Wait a minute. Why does
it say Hungry New Guy? Why am I hearing stuff
about Japan? That's what I'd like to know. Do you
think it's still coming? Or do you have a Japan
clip? I never heard this clip. This is under your
clip. It says, Hungry New Guy won BBC. Interesting. Let
it play, she would have. No confidence motion against the
mayor, who's been on medical leaves and suffering a brain
hemorrhage in February. It means he'll automatically lose his position
in 10 days. The problem in Hungary is they're now
speaking Japanese. We've got a real situation on our hands.
Oh, here we go. It's a bad edit. It was
a... Moment of pomp and ceremony in Budapest today. A
fanfare sounded as new members of parliament came into the
plenary chamber to watch Peter Modja, who won a landslide
victory in last month's general election, being sworn in as
prime minister. I, Hungarian Peter, accept that Hungary... In his
inaugural speech, Mr. Modja said one of his government's first
steps would be to create an independent office to investigate
corruption over the past 20 years. That's the period covering
the government of his predecessor, Viktor Orban. Afterwards, Mr Mojar
gave another speech to his supporters outside the Parliament, saying
his premiership would mark a new beginning for his country.
Take it with you. Take this day with you as
a memory and remember this day. for your whole life.
Maybe one day you will show it to your children,
to your grandchildren, that this is how it was in
2026, the first day of the free and democratic Hungary.
Alright. All right. Okay. Well, new guys. You know, the
funny thing is, you know, the people, I think they
did like Orban to a point, but I guess the
scandals were too much. But the other thing is, wasn't
Orban going to be a dictator for life and he
was never going to be removed? Yeah, there was some
of that. Typical. It's the same thing. Trump. You guys
are going to stay in office forever. Of course, I
like the fact that Trump jokes about it. It's funny.
He had some joke the other day about it. He
says, well, maybe in about a decade when I'm not
in office anymore. We played it on the show. It
was about his... Oh, okay. Yeah, play it again. No,
don't play it again. No, I'm not going to play
it again. What I'm going to play is... I got
some brand new hot off the press stuff from this
morning from the Sunday morning shows. Thank you to Steve,
the clip collector. We got to talk about Hanta virus.
I mean, everyone's talking about the Hanta. You know, it's
funny, before you play that, there's been a couple of
pieces going around saying, claiming. Yes. The whole thing is
a fake. Oh, I haven't seen that. The whole thing
is a fake? Yeah, the whole thing is bogus. The
people that have died didn't die of Hanta. Oh. And
this is a complete creation to try to get people
worked up. Now, I can assure you the dead Dutch
people are really dead. Well, they might be dead, but
are they dead? From Hanta. Oh, well... One of them,
somebody apparently died of old age. It happens to the
best of us. What I love about this is we're
just rewinding the movie. We're inserting a new word. We're
bringing back the same puppets. Who do you want to
talk to? to right away when there's something deadly going
on? Peter Hotez. No, that's when we're... We don't have
a vaccine yet. We're not there yet. What do you
mean? You know they got 15 in the works, right?
We got to go back to the genesis. Who was
the first guy? You need the first guy. Come on.
Well, it's not Fauci. No, it's Osterholm. Osterholm. Oh, that
guy. I'm joined now by one of the top infectious
disease specialists in the country, Dr. Michael Osterholm. The one
who scared our wits. scared us out of our wits
when we started with the covid even before the guy
you ran into it At Rogan. Yeah, when Rogan was
still in Los Angeles. Yeah, exactly. And he was like,
oh, yeah, oh, it's really bad. Oh, millions are going
to die. Of the University of Minnesota, it's good to
see you this morning. Thank you. Most Americans, of course,
had never even heard of the Hanta virus. So you
can understand the kind of fear. What's his name? What's
his name's wife died of it was? The actor. Gene
Hackman's wife died of hantavirus and it was all over
the news. We've heard of it. Well, it's interesting you
bring that up. Is she kidding? It's interesting you bring
that up. Because yes, that was one of the things
that I was curious about myself. I think we actually...
I think we actually have a clip still. Uh, where
is it? Hmm, I'll find it. coronavirus or influenza virus.
This is one that has very limited ability to be
transmitted person to person. In fact, it's a rare exception.
And so we have no question about the fact that
this really is on the end of its run right
now. And they're very possibly maybe not no additional cases
from here on out. And I know originally you catch
it from Rat feces or urine. How many cases... Why
doesn't she just say rat poop feces? People don't understand
that word anymore, Martha. Feces are there generally. Good point.
Yeah, just say rat poop. It's okay. I think you're
right. I don't think people know what the word feces
means. I think it's too technical for Americans these days.
rat poop originally and you hear her thinking about it
like should i say rat poop should i say Rat
turds are like, ah, feces. You catch it from rat.
Feces. You see how she. Yeah, you're right. It's that
one beat. Chirp, poop. You catch it from rat feces
or urine. How many cases are there generally in a
year? In the United States, there are about 30 cases
a year on average, and they mostly occur west of
Mississippi. About 96% are west of Mississippi. And it has
to do with the kind of mouse that lives west
of the... Wait a minute! Wait a minute! Now we
switch all of a sudden from rat to mouse. Yeah.
I don't like it. I don't like that. And now
he says it's west of the Mississippi because of a
certain kind of mouse? Yeah. What happened to Rat? The
rats are out. Really raised our concerns with this boat
related transmission is the one from South America. Ah, you
hear what he's saying here? What really raised our concerns
with this boat related transmission. So he's being sneaky about
this. Yeah, he's talking about the Andean stream. Yes, and
that is... hemorrhagic. The Andean strain is like Ebola, Zika,
without the small heads. Not Zika. Zika's not hemorrhagic. Oh.
It's the other one. The Marfan. Marbur. Marbur. Marbur. Marbur.
Marbur. We got it. We nailed it, people. Nailed it.
Concerns with this boat-related transmission is the one from South
America, which is called the Andes train. And that one
actually on occasion has resulted in person-to-person transmission. Uh-huh. You
see, he's caging it. He's being careful, but he's slippery,
this one. Sneaking it in. Yeah, he's sneaking it in.
And supposedly you aren't... passing that or transmitting that unless
you're symptomatic. Right. Right now, you can manage the individuals
who've been exposed very simply by asking... Oh, how can
we manage? What do you think we can manage them
with? Come on, come on. What can we manage? What
is the way to manage every virus? By the way,
I want to stop the clip. What did he say
was the number of cases every year? 30. As of
the end of 2023, 690 cases of hantavirus have been
reported in the United States. Oh, okay, since surveillance began
in '93. Okay, it's possible. Alright. I'm sorry. Are you
experiencing any kind of a fever? And then take the
temperature. Do you have any symptoms? If somebody is identified
right at that point... Are you bleeding from your eyes?
You can put basically an N95 mask on. Oh, okay.
Back to the N95 mask. Oh, no. We know this
doesn't stop anything of the kind. And stop all transmission.
Transmission stops with an N95. So this is why we
don't need this high-tech, you know, containment facilities, et cetera,
to monitor these people. We can monitor them very simply.
And should they stay home? I know these 17 Americans
are coming back. Shelter in place. Going to Nebraska, they
will be checked. Self-isolate. And then they're sent home. And
this is just a trust thing? Just check your fever?
Are you happy with that? Well, you know, it's not
actually just a trust thing. In a sense, people really
do respond to participating in this for their own health
as well as the health of those around them. We've
had a lot of experience with this in the past.
Ebola was a good example. When we had all returning
health care workers coming back from Africa. back in 2015
to 2017, we monitored them twice a day for their
temperature and for any symptoms and that worked very, very
well. So I have complete confidence that we will have
good compliance here. And I think within days, this will
no longer be a story. Okay, all right, within days
it will no longer be a story. Why would you
even say that? This is how he gets on TV.
I would say, check back in a few days. We'll
see if it's no longer a story. Okay, he's certain.
One more clip with him. Even the people who were
let off the ship earlier, at the end of April,
and are now, some of them, back in the United
States, no worries there. No worries there in the sense
that they're going to be monitored now as they weren't
before. Oh, no worries, because we can monitor them. But
again, none of them have had any symptoms, onsets, have
had no suggestion of infection. The same is true with
all the individuals disembarking right now today. There's no evidence
any of those individuals were sick. And if you look
at what happened, the first person that came on the
ship brought it with them. And you can basically explain
all the cases that have occurred to date around exposure
just to that one individual, not to multiple people transmitting
the virus. Thanks so much for joining us this morning.
Put us at ease. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, at
ease. You're right, John. We go back to March of
2025. It wasn't all that long ago. Here was the
report we. played on the show. Tonight, New Mexico authorities
with tragic revelations to a week-long mystery, saying Gene Hackman
died of heart disease and complications from Alzheimer's, likely a
week after his wife Betsy died of the rare, deadly
disease, Hantavirus. The cause of death for Mr. Gene Hackman,
aged 95 years. is hypertensive an atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease with
alzheimer's disease as a significant contributory factor the cause of
death for miss betsy hackman aged 65 years is hantavirus
pulmonary syndrome pulmonary syndrome Now I think that's the, isn't
that the Andy's version? That's what I... I'm not sure
at this point. I'm not sure either. Here's the thing
that... One is pulmonary and the other one is internal
organs or something. So here's the thing that... that I
haven't seen any reporting on. Surprise. In the Pfizer document,
the one that was FOIA, the one that was supposed
to be locked up for 70 years. 95. 95 years.
Hantavirus pulmonary infection is on the adverse event. special interest
list. What? Yes, for the Pfizer vaccine. The RNA vaccine.
Are they so careless? When they manufactured that they got
a hantavirus in the vaccine, you think? Well, first of
all, it's on page 33, which just tickles me. Okay,
that's good news. So I'm feeling better already. But... So
there's two ways of looking at it. I don't think
hantavirus was included in it. The way I read it,
and it's a very technical document, so we'll have to
have other people read it and tell us what. what
we're seeing here. The way I read it is that
if you have had hantavirus, which could be a mild
case, you got a fever, you know, some rat poop
slipped into your yogurt, you know, whatever. You didn't die.
It happens. especially if you're west of the Mississippi. Texas,
by the way, is one of the states. Waffle House.
Waffle House. That it can then bring back the exact
same symptoms that you had from hantavirus. So the hantavirus
is kind of dormant inside of you, perhaps? Wow, it
sounds like herpes. Yes, like bad men. Mexican food, it
comes back all of a sudden. Yes. Um... Which doesn't
make any sense, but okay. Well, this is how... But
go ahead. Kara, this is what I'm reading. So that
would kind of make sense if you think about Gene
Hackman's wife. Think she was vaxxed? Do you think these
people were vets? Oh, absolutely. Are you kidding? Of course
she was. So this is what could possibly... create something
that looks like a pandemic which would be in fact
a pandemic of death So. I'm not so cavalier about
all this. Oh, I see what you're saying. What you're
saying is that because there could be numerous, maybe thousands
of cases of dormant... Mm-hmm. antivirus infections out there because
of the nature of it, based on this paper, page
33, it's possible that... they could all be triggered by
the COVID shot. Yes, exactly. And then you can use
that as leverage for another fake pandemic. Check it out.
This warning sits, you nailed it. This warning sits alongside
about. Herpes Family Virus Reactivation Uh, symptoms. Also Zika, Guillaume
Barre. And there's 1,300 other adverse event of special interest
categories that Pfizer was cataloging as known events. from day
one in the document they wanted to hide for almost
100 years. And so... This is the gift that keeps
on giving. Imagine my surprise when who shows up on
CBS this morning. Come on, you know who that is
now. Bochez. No! Who's the Pfizer douche? Oh yeah, the
guy who's on the board. For more now, we turn
to former FDA Commissioner Dr. Scott Gottlieb. He also serves
on the boards of Pfizer and UnitedHealthcare. Welcome back, Doctor.
Thank you. He already sounds bad, doesn't he? He's like,
welcome back, John Lennon. It's almost like he's rolling his
eyes like, I got to do this again. Or maybe
he's like, I hope they don't ask about that document.
Please don't ask about the document. Whatever you do, don't
ask about the document. Welcome back, doctor. thank you so
there have been three deaths linked to the outbreak here
in the us there are six states monitoring potential exposure,
all either linked to the ship itself or flights of
people who have been on the ship, and then those
17 Americans. Do you agree with the CDC and the
World Health Organization that the risk to public health is
low? Oh yeah. Yeah, I do agree with that. We
have to concede that there's still things we don't know
about this virus. We haven't had to grapple with many
outbreaks in the past. There's been two large outbreaks in
Argentina. But based on that experience, what we know is
that typically for transmission, you have to have close contact.
We also know that people typically aren't contagious unless they
have showing signs of the infection itself in what we
call the prodromal phase. ProDromo. We have never heard of
the prodromal phase. No, I've never heard this. This is
new. Where they start to have an onset of symptoms
and the progression from that onset of symptoms to severe
disease and in these cases death is typically just days.
This is a very aggressive virus. And so based on
what we know, the transmission risk is low. Now that
said... When you look back at the past experience, there
are these outlier cases where there appears to have been
transmission among people who weren't perceived to be in close
contact. And so there are these cases that we need
to look at closely from the past experience and just
be wary that perhaps there's things we don't know fully
about this virus. I will say that we are nearing
the end of the transmission window. for the peace. Transmission
window. What is he? Is he broadcasting now to this
to the satellite? Why is it transmission window? Transmission window
is almost closed. That we need to look at closely.
Yeah, I think so. In the past experience. And just
be wary that perhaps there's things we don't know fully
about this virus. I will say that we are nearing
the end of the transmission window. for the people who
are being repatriated here in the U.S. And so it
looks to me like the last death on that cruise
ship was May 2nd. That patient had an onset of
symptoms on April 28th. If you believe that the incubation
period is about... If you believe... How about some science,
Dr. Gottlieb? What is this believe crap? cruise ship was
May 2nd. That patient had an onset of symptoms on
April 28th. If you believe that the incubation period is
about two to six weeks, they'll be at the peak
of that incubation cycle some point this week. So I
think we're about two weeks away from knowing whether or
not there'll be additional cases that come from that initial
outbreak on the cruise ship. Hold on a second. That
contradicts what Osterholm said. He said, nah, it's over. This
is done. This is toast. Now, Gottlieb is giving us
two weeks transmission window space. I don't like this at
all. And of course, the one thing that will not
help, do not listen to the internet. Whatever you do,
whatever you do, do not. I mean, telling you, do
not take horse dewormer. So a key moment here. I
mean, the WHO said it's very clear this is not
COVID all over again. But as you know, it has
ignited some of the very same skeptics who during the
pandemic. really questioned our government institutions and the response. The
WHO has said there is no research that ivermectin is
an effective treatment for the virus. There's no research. It
doesn't say that it's not effective. There's no research. Well,
of course not. We've never had an outbreak of antivirus.
I'm wondering what you make of these calls for alternative
treatments and resistance of government health advice. There's no treatment.
What alternative treatment is this? This might be a primary
treatment. These people make me mad. According to the date...
I'm sorry, but according to the ivermectin freaks, the hantavirus
is another RNA. Yes. virus which are very easily thwarted
by ivermectin. Ivermectin, man, it'll heal your broken elbow. Ivermectin
is all you need when you travel is Ivermectin and
gaffer tape and you're good to go. Look, I think
we're going to be relitigating the consequences of COVID for
a long time. And I think a lot of people
who are in public health positions right now believe that
their tenure and their appointment to these positions is a
referendum on COVID in some respects. And so that goes
through their public comments. This is not COVID. It's not
going to spread like a pandemic virus, like COVID did,
like a coronavirus did. It spreads far less efficiently. There
aren't any treatments, successful treatments for this virus. Ivermectin certainly
isn't an effective treatment. Just by virtue of its mechanism,
it doesn't work against this virus. It prevents viral replication.
in the nucleus, not the cytoplasm, where this virus replicates.
It's just not gonna work. What? What? Well, wait a
minute. It makes it sound like it did work against
other things. What did he just say? He said how
nucleus of makalaka. It works. It does work then in
some situation. In the nucleus of the microplasm makalaka. It
doesn't work against this virus. It prevents viral replication in
the nucleus, not the cytoplasm where this virus replicates. It's
just not going to work. So I would encourage people
not to use that. I know that there's been some
things on social media suggesting that people should stockpile ivermectin.
We don't have an effective treatment for hantavirus, and that's
what makes this very menacing. Now, wait, you said that...
There's 15 hantavirus vaccines already in the making? Is that
true? Yeah, yeah. Is that true or you just said
that off the cuff? No, that's absolutely true. That many.
So. The Army's got one, the Navy's got one, there's
all these different ones. There's a big list of them
floating around. People were mocking the list. Now, if I
were... the global liberal world order. And I'm hating everything
Trump is doing. He's wrecking our party. He's screwing it
up with what he's doing with oil. He's screwing it
up with the banking. screwing up. He doesn't want to
help Ukraine. He's not playing ball with us. Why wouldn't
they just pull the same trick they did in 2019?
You're telling me no one has tabletopped this? No one
has war-gamed it and said, In fact, Two weeks ago,
there was a... One of those things that you always
like to bitch about. Yeah, the war game exercise? There
was an exercise, yeah. What was that original one called
for COVID? E40201? Event 201, I think. Event 201. Event
201, yeah. I mean... Wouldn't you just, I mean, these
are the exact same people. Wouldn't they be like, oh,
this is great. We can get rid of that Trump.
I don't think they can pull this one off. You
can't do it with Hant the virus. Well, they've already
got him in a bad situation. They're trying. You know,
it's like... Come on boys, we can do better than
this. of the gaggle. Well, I think you're going to
be told everything and you already have. very much we
hope under control. It was the ship and I think
we're going to make a full report about it tomorrow.
We have a lot of people, a lot of great
people are studying it. Should be fine. We hope. I
hope not. I mean, I hope not. We'll do the
best we can. Yeah. Yeah. And so a lot of
great people. This was not left unturned, this stone by
CBS and Gottlieb about a lot of great people. You
served in the first Trump administration as his... FDA commissioner
in the first term. The person in that job now
has been a guest on this program, Dr. Marty McCary.
He was a vocal critic of COVID response during Trump
and Biden. There's a lot of reporting right now that
his current position, that he's at risk of losing his
job. Given how important the FDA is, they regulate, I
saw, one-fifth of consumer spending in this country. How damaging
would it be to lose its leader, and is there
someone who could step in quickly? No one obvious to
me. And there's been some reporting about different candidates that
could work on an interim basis. there. Marty's a friend.
You know, I think that that's a very difficult job.
It, as you said, regulates about 20% of the U.S.
economy, products that are very important to people's lives, medical
products, food, food safety. And so there's a lot of
debate and consternation about decisions that get made at FDA.
And so it's been a controversial position for whoever's held
that job, including me. You know, I got criticized for
decisions that I made in that position as well. I
think the continued upheaval at FDA has been detrimental to
the agency, not just the speculation about Marty's fate, but
also the departures that we've seen from the agency. The
agency's lost thousands of medical reviewers, some voluntary through the
through the Doge cuts or some forced. through the doge
cuts. Involuntary means some voluntary. There's been a lot of
voluntary departures from the agency. If you look at the
oncology division, they had a starting strength of about 100
medical reviewers at the beginning of this administration. They're down
to about 50. The hematological group that reviews drugs for
leukemia and lymphoma had 21 medical reviewers and it's down
to six. These aren't doctors. These are reviewers who approve
stuff. You know, they're pharma shills. They lost an entire
breast cancer review team. So there's been a lot of
departures from the agency. You've seen political appointees take over
what are typically career leadership positions, running the medical product
centers, the drug center, and the biologic center. So I
think, cumulatively, that's... That's taken a toll on the agency,
and this continued speculation that we saw on Friday I
think is just going to be another step downward. Uh-huh.
I'm just saying they're setting it up. They're setting it
up in case they need to. If they decide to
pull the trigger, all you need is the media. All
you need is a bunch of people who have this
adverse event. That's just, what was it? adverse events special
investigation thing. that reactivates this hentavirus. I mean, it's clear
that there's a lot of things going on with side
effects of, I would say specifically the Pfizer mRNA. Hate
to say it. Not with everybody, for sure. Praise God,
our... two of our daughters are still good and they've
been Vax to the hilt. Lots of boosters? Many boosters.
Yes. Many, many boosters. It hurts my heart, man. So,
luckily. Luckily, they're okay. Now, if you don't mind, I
just want to stay on the pharma. tip for a
second because I would have saved this for later on
in the show, but Gottlieb went into this, and I
have a couple of clips from a recent Maha Institute.
And this is the MK Ultra that we've been talking
about of SSRIs. And I don't think people understand. how
big of a disaster this is. Except for Kamala Harris's
stepdaughter, who paused from crocheting to think, hmm, I've been
on these things for over a decade. I wonder if
there's something up with that. So here's Gottlieb. He leads
us right down the path. I want to ask you
about some of current leadership. there. Secretary Kennedy was speaking
about the use of antidepressants in this country. Almost 17%
of Americans use them. He says they're overprescribed, and he
compared his experience of heroin withdrawal to a family member's
experience getting off antidepressants known as SSRIs. Take a listen.
I watched a family member get off of them after
a couple of years on them and she was suicidal
literally every day. She woke up every morning and said,
"I don't want to live." And she said, The only
reason I'm staying alive is for you guys, for the
family. He later said that he was not telling people
to stop if they're taking that medication. But what do
you make of his description of antidepressants as risky? Look,
these are prescribed in a primary care setting. Like any
drug that's prescribed in that setting, I'm sure there's some
marginal prescribing, you know. isolated marginal prescribing. What does that
mean, marginal prescribing? Does that mean over-prescribing? Is that a
tricky term? I think what he means by marginal is
that maybe the person doesn't need that drug, but they
get it prescribed anyway. They're on the margin. Okay. But
for most Americans who take these drugs, they're very important
and in some cases life-saving and I would encourage everyone
who is thinking about potentially stopping these medications based on
the Secretary's comments to consult their doctor. There is a
period of time that patients need to be weaned off
these drugs. They can be successfully weaned off these drugs.
They can be if you're lucky. They want to be
and there's alternatives that could be effective for their mental
health but nobody should just stop. these drugs outright without
being under the consultation of a medical provider. I worry
that the Secretary's comments is going to discourage legitimate use
of these drugs in the same way that his comments
around Tylenol, discourage use of Tylenol in the setting of
pregnancy where it could be very important for certain pregnant
women who need pain relief and fever relief in that
setting. We saw a lot of women... Quick, quick, I
love that little pivot. Hey, these guys are stupid about
Tylenol. Don't talk about the SSRI. Move away from those
drugs, use those drugs, even appropriate use of those drugs.
Based on the secretary's comments about that, I worry about
the same thing here. It's clear that the secretary wants
to put downward pressure on the prescribing. He tried to
implement regulatory steps to do that as well. And so
it is concerning. So I got a couple of boots
on the ground since we've been talking about this topic.
First one from Laurens. and she is 35 she lives
in amsterdam was put on lexa pro in 2021 says
i want to support your take on ssri's by sharing
my own experience 2021 i was 35 a well-meaning doc
A doctor here in Amsterdam put me on Lexapro, a
strong SSRI. It made me extremely agitated, not to mention
aggressive, and I'm normally a pretty relaxed person. While I
was taking this, I started spending most of my weekends
drinking black coffee, watching very violent video games on YouTube.
The kind of games where you're ripping monsters in half
with a chainsaw. I had no interest in playing these
games, I just enjoyed the graphic violence. Again, normally I'm
a pretty relaxed person, but these drugs made me aggressive
and hypomanic. SSRIs boost serotonin and serotonin is a substance
that makes you feel safe and dominant. So it's not
hard to imagine why this could lead to dangerous behavior.
Of course, doctors are not all aware, since these kinds
of side effects could easily be attributed to something else.
Maybe you're having a difficult time at work, you just
need to meditate. And doctors mean well, but they don't
have the time, so maybe they just prescribe you some
benzos, which is not the same as SSRIs, to calm
you down. At any rate, getting off SSRIs... is its
own form of torture with mood changes, brain zaps, and
lots of other fun stuff that will haunt you until
the end of your days. Getting off these drugs was
absolutely the right thing for me, and I think listening
to the show first put into my head how dangerous
these drugs can be. John, another score. pharmacology note, Lexapro,
which the medical term is escitalopram, is recognized as having
one of the highest affinities and top-tier selectivity for serotonin
transport among SSRIs, often considered the most typical or selective
due to its minimal binding. to other receptors. And so
the Maha Institute, which is a RFK Jr. symposium. had
this Dr. Anders Sorensen from, I think he's Norway or
Denmark. And he gave a little spiel. I clipped three
or four short clips. About SSRIs. They're short. One of
them is 35 seconds, so they're short. about SSRIs and
getting off of them. So in 2018, a study was
published in the BMJ asking one very simple question. Do
parachutes. Reduce the risk of death. when jumping from an
aircraft. - The researchers compared two groups, one jumping with
and one without. The result, no significant difference between the
groups. Parachutes, it seemed, offered no protective effect, compared to
those jumping without one. But there was one small detail.
hidden in the methods section, which you of course always
remember to read. All participants had jumped from an aircraft
parked on the ground from an average of half a
meter. And as the authors noted, one should be cautious
in extrapolating their findings to real-world high-altitude jumps. We might
laugh at this silly study, but it stops being funny
when you realize we're doing something very similar in psychiatry
today. Fast forward to 2025, a study in the American
Journal of Medicine compared how long antidepressants were studied in
the randomized trials we rely on compared to how long
people actually take them. The median duration of the trials
was eight weeks. meaning that most participants are only going
to be on these drugs for two months. And the
median duration of real world use in the US Five
years. So we're using short-term evidence to guide long-term treatment.
And that gap matters, especially when it comes to dependence
and withdrawal. Yeah. So you can already see where this
is going, that they have no idea how bad these
things are if you want to get off of them.
Since 1997, SSRI withdrawal has been described as mostly mild
abuse. self-limiting, lasting a week or two, mentioning only a
handful of the more than 80 reported symptoms. That's what
the guidelines say. because they're based on short-term trials far
from reality. So what happens in practice? People who've been
on these drugs for years decades are tapered off as
if they've been taking them for months. often by aggressively
halving the dose, halving again and then stopping. And when
that goes wrong, which it often does, They call it
a relapse of an underlying condition. Conclusion, you still need
the medication. So back on the drug, symptoms resolve and
the therapeutic illusion is complete. It looks like the drug
is treating an underlying illness, when in fact it might
be just relieving withdrawal. But before we conclude a relapse,
which of course could be the case, withdrawal has to
be ruled out first. All right, so what are some
of these symptoms? What's confusing is that withdrawal from psychiatric
drug isn't just physical symptoms. It's not just dizziness, nausea,
headaches, muscle pain, shaking, burning sensations, fatigue. I mean, it's
that too. But it's also anxiety. Insomnia, irritability. Depressed mood,
mood swings, brain fork, difficulty concentrating, intrusive thoughts. Withdrawal can
limit relapse. or new diagnosis for which there are also
drugs. The symptoms overlap. And if you don't recognize withdrawal,
you will misinterpret it. SSRIs are definitely not harder to
quit than heroin, says producer Tim. That's only a commentary
on heroin, not on SSRIs. They're incredibly difficult to quit.
The long and short of it is you go incredibly
crazy in sort of a bipolar mood swing kind of
way for the duration of your withdrawal, which is about
a month. Medical best practice. is to very precisely titrate
off the dose over a span of several months. But
again, I found out the hard way. A lot of
doctors just don't know what they're supposed to do. Final
clip, which tells you the story that we already know
from these, from previous medications. And we've been here before,
historically. We start with benzodiazepines. introduced first as safe and
effective with minimal concern of dependence until decades later dependence
and severe withdrawal became undeniable. Then we saw it again
with opioids, again aggressively marketed as safe and effective for
chronic pain until we had an epidemic. The pattern is
the same. A new drug is introduced, framed as safe
and effective, gets widely prescribed. Then people start having trouble
coming off it. Then research begins to confirm what patients
are experiencing. But that research is pushed aside, ignored, because
it challenges the prevailing paradigm. It's textbook paradigm shift from
Thomas Kuhn. 1962 classic. So prescribing continues. And recognition comes
years, often decades later. And then the cycle repeats with
new safe and effective drought until we understand this. The
body doesn't care what we call the drug or what
receptors it acts on. It's just the depths. Setting the
stage for withdrawal and dependence. Help! There it is. uh
i like the fact that we at least got one
person off or at least to consider it You know,
some couple years ago, Francine Hardaway sent a note in.
Oh, goodness. Dame Francine. We haven't heard from Dame. Francine
in Eons. I stay in touch with her. Oh, good.
How's she doing? She's writing a lot. She has a
substance. She writes these personal anecdotes and she's got about
a book's worth of material. Oh, wow. Does she still
listen to the show? I doubt it. So what did
she have to say? Oh, she said these things are
the worst. You can't get off them. Yeah. Well, you
can, apparently, but it's not easy. It's not easy. *Sigh*
Well, maybe we'll save one more person, John. You know,
there is a presentation floating around on YouTube. And I'll
try to get it, dig it up and... Clip it.
Get it to the show notes of all these different
drugs from Darvon to Quaaludes, one thing after another. I
think there's like the top. 25 drugs that have been
taken off the market. And the underlying theme is, well,
they had some data, but they kept it to themselves.
It's like a theme. The drug companies say, it's like,
now you have to wonder. what the deal is with
some of these drugs. Are doctors being, is there evidence
that doctors are bribed? I mean, the pediatric doctors are
totally bribed to vex up the kids. Well, they also.
Or they kick you out of a practice. Well, no,
this system is clear. The drug goes to all those
people on the review team who Kennedy has fired. and
replace their former farmer people. I'm talking about at the
street level. Are doctors being paid off to prescribe drugs?
No, but listen. This is what I'm saying. The first
part is... It goes to the FDA, the FDA has
the shield. The SHIELDS goes, yep, it looks good to
me. I mean, whatever you show me, I don't want
to see anything else. That's good. Then it gets a
safe and effective approval. Then the reps go to the
doctors and they say, safe and effective, would you like
to buy some? Would you like to serve this to
your patients? And here's a set of golf clubs. And
here's a speed. We all saw the doctor. documentary. And
here's a party and here's a cruise and, you know,
et cetera, et cetera. Because they've been told it's safe
and effective. Their butts are covered by the FDA. The
whole system is crooked. And I think RFK Jr. is
doing something here. It does seem like he's creating some
awareness through a podcast. Yay! because you're not going to
see it on CNN, who live by this stuff. That's
the other part of it. So yeah, so the doctors.
They have, what is it, what is the term? Wait,
culpab- uh, uh... about culpability. They- I don't know. Yes,
you do. There's a term that says, I... Liability? Indemnification?
Are we talking about... No, no. Where you have a
way to show that you couldn't have known because you
had... Oh yeah, right. Plausible deniability. Plausible deniability. Thank you.
There you go. Boomer moment for both of us. Yes.
Not for me. Okay. For me then. Boomer adjacent moment.
Plausible deniability. Yeah, it's sick. It's sick, I tell you.
Sick. Sick, sick, sick. Well, it is bad. Yeah. All
right, let's get to politics. Woo! Because big news. In
the UK? Yeah. Yeah, this was great. Yeah, the UK,
the labor, and the preface to these, I only have
three clips, but you don't need that much of it
to understand what's going on. The election took place. The
council elections. This was live on television. Yeah, it was
the little boys. The little local elections, yes. and that
labor just ate it. And now everyone's predicting that both
labor and the conservatives, they, conservatives, did not do well.
Nope. Nope. parties. Maybe going the way of the dodo,
and maybe these new parties will be coming up, especially
led by Farage's operation. Yeah, the Reform Party. Yeah, which
he started because he basically quit the other one. What
was the one he started before? What was it called?
He had another party. Wasn't it the Brexit party? Wasn't
that the Brexit party? No, no, it was UK. It
was something that had some jazzy sound to it. It
was very similar to the Reform Party, but it was
different. And he had to quit it because there were
too many nut balls that had joined it. It happens.
Yeah, so he just started a new party. which has
done quite well. But let's play what's happening here. There's
election shift BBC. The beleaguered British Prime Minister Keir Starmer
has again insisted he isn't going anywhere following the disastrous
results for his governing Labour Party in English local elections
and the devolved parliamentary votes in Scotland and Wales. I
think we have to set out the path ahead, and
that's what I intend to do in coming days, how
we rebuild, how we convince people about hope for the
future, and we haven't done enough of that. So I
will be setting that out with clarity about my convictions
and my values. What drives me forward on this? Keir
Starmer has now invited two veteran Labour politicians to help
rebrand his premiership, including the former Prime Minister Gordon Brown.
But some MPs within the party are continuing to call
for him to set a timetable for his departure after
Labour suffered huge losses, mainly to the right-wing populist. Reform
Party. Our UK political correspondent Rob Watson says it's a
seismic shift in party allegiances. The more I've reflected on
it overnight, Alex, the bigger and the more significant it
seems because it really does seem as though the old
order has crumbled and a new order is taking shape.
And I rate it up there as... being as significant,
this ending of the duopoly of conservatives and labor with
the creation of the welfare state after the Second World
War in 1945, with the Suez Crisis in the 1950s,
where Britain ceased to be an imperial power after its
humiliation, Mrs. Thatcher coming to power in 1979, and the
Brexit vote. I think it is that. big, it's that
significant. And while it's true that the Labour Party is
flirting with that and will no doubt get rid of
Keir Starmer in the not too distant future, well certainly
between now and the next election. It was the UK
Independence Party. Right. I looked it up too. UKIP. Yeah.
UKIP. Yeah, and then they became nutty, and so he
bailed out. After they tried to kill him. Remember they
tried to kill him? The plane crash? Yeah, the plane
crash. Oh, the plane crash. Right, right, right. Yeah, yeah,
yeah. Of course, they always try to kill these people.
Yeah. The Gandhi's clip to. The facts that's driving this
are just. unlikely to go away. And there are three,
and they're not unique to Britain. The first one is
the economic squeeze. I mean, a lot of this anger
is driven by voters feeling that they're living standards. Oh,
really? That's the only thing? Really? That's all that it
is? That's just one. Okay. All right. All right. All
right. It's a falling that wide about housing and the
economic forecast for the next decade suggests. Britain is not
going to grow, so that's number one. Number two is
just Keir Starmer's own personal unpopularity. He is so unpopular.
I mean, it is just extraordinary. It's almost off the
scale. No politician has ever come back from that. And
then the third one is what you might call culture,
values, issues, identity issues. And that is the anger that's
out there in Britain, as in so many other countries,
about immigration, social cohesion, multiculturalism, how you treat British history.
And that, again, does not look like dissipating. Oh, did
they not bring in the Mandelson-Epstein? No, no. That was
the big deal in Parliament. Yeah, but that wasn't the
reason people voted these guys out. I don't think the
British public at large gives a shit about any of
it. In fact, when I talked to Orlowski about it,
he still thinks that Mandelson was still calling the shots
at 10 Downing from the get-go. continue to do so
after they fired him. Wouldn't surprise me. That's Andrew Orlowski
from The Register. Friend of the show. No, he's not
at the register. He's with the London Telegraph now. Oh,
really? Oh, he's moved up a notch. He's been writing
for the Telegraph for about six, seven years. That's a
respectable paper. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So friend of the show,
F-O-F-S, F-O-T-S. Friend of the show. He does listen too.
He will have heard me say this. Friend of the
show, F-O-T-S, FOTS. So he says that that's what he
claims that, you know, that this Mendelssohn guy is still.
In play, and I'm thinking, I don't think so, but
okay. Well, what do we know? He's boots on the
ground. He's living there. Yeah, I know. He's been right
most of the time, but I'm not buying that one.
Let's go with the last clip. One of the key
policies of the Reform Party, which came out as the
biggest winner in the elections in England, is to combat
illegal immigration. The UK Home Office says over the past
eight years, 200,000 migrants reached England illegally by crossing the
Channel in small boats. You know what kills me? Because
I lived in England. They lock up your pets. for
six months minimum. Yeah, if you try to bring a
dog to England, you might as well just... forget it.
Yes, for six months, 18 months, they lock up your
dog because, oh, he might have rabies. He might have
rabies. But, hey, it's illegal. They got no rabies. You
know what I mean? No hanta, no nothing. Despite efforts
to stop the boats, including a recent $800 million deal
with France, The UK says the number of people making
the journey has continued to rise. James Wattas has sent
us this report. The town of Middelkerke represents a step
change when you cross the border on the northern coast
from France into Belgium. It's an affluent area and the
locals here are facing a problem that really is new
to them. Small boat migrant crossings. The West Flanders Deputy
Police Chief, Christian de Ridder, is keen to nip it
in the bud. We have to stop them before they
get to the UK. And we have to find a
way to stop them on the water. If we could
put on a naval barrier so they don't get into
French water, everything will stop. - I don't have any
more clips, but it goes on and on with all
these guys that are going across the English Channel. I
don't understand how you can go across the English Channel
in a small boat. I took the Dunkirk Ferry probably
twice. Yeah, it's bumpy. in the olden days, in like
the 70s. And then, you know, then they went to
a hovercraft, which was cool, a great way to get
across. And then, of course, there's the channel, which is
the way to go. But... That's the most sickening ride
I've ever had on a boat. Yeah. It churns, it
bounces around. I don't know how a little boat can
go across. the English Channel. Well, that really depends on
weather conditions. Well, yeah, I guess they look for the
right day to do it, but it's not a short
trip either. You'll recall that the Brits in World War
II, I think it was World War II. They, all
these, you know, like hundreds, maybe thousands of small boats.
cast off from Britain to go pick up the troops
who were locked. and surrounded by the Germans. in France
and they picked them up and they sailed them all
back. And these were tiny little dinghies and all kinds
of rowboats. I don't know what kind of stuff they
were doing. I don't think they were always that small.
They were small. They were small boats. I know they
went to do that. Yeah. flown over the English channel
many times smooth as glass. Yeah, well, if you fly
over. Well, but 5,000 feet, you know, been to Cessna.
I'm looking down. I'm like, oh, that's pretty nice. If
anything... What do you mean, ugh, please? That is a
rough go getting across that channel. It is not. It
can be. people who swim across the channel. Lunatics. -
I do have... I do have two quick quotes here.
From Nigel Farage. Here we go. This is the most
unpatriotic prime minister. we've ever had in this country, heading
the most unpatriotic British government we've ever had in this
country, and they're even worse. than the Conservatives in the
last five years, and they weren't very good either. And
here he is with a quick prediction. I think if
Labour get obliterated in the Red Wall and in South
Wales... And in Scotland, then, yeah, he'll be gone by
the end of May because the backbench will move against
him. End of May? End of May. End of May
is what he's saying. I had to throw in a
little aside here. Okay. We picked up on Nigel Farage
as a character of importance. Early on. Early on, a
decade ago, well, it was 2009, probably. 150 years ago.
Yeah, it was a long time ago. And we got
grief from various reasons. Oh, yeah. UK listeners. Yeah, they
told us, he's an idiot, he's no good, and we
were like... He's not going to cut you. You're wasting
your time following this guy's career. You guys are off
the mark. Spiking the ball? Is that what you're doing
here? Yeah. I'm spiking the ball without a we told
you so. But it's like... It's just like, this is
typical of this show. Yes. We're on it. People hate
us. That's what I'm trying to say. People hate us
for years. For some reason, they still... still listen. And
then later they say, Hey man, thanks for saving my
life. But donate? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Value for value,
people. Remember these valuable lessons. So I picked up clip
which is has luckily it's only a minute because the
guy's kind of insufferable George Galloway George Galloway is totally
insufferable. But it's worth it in this case because he's
on to something that's going on with Keir Starmer. And
Galloway, now he used to be a politician. Was he
labor? I think he was labor. He must have been
labor. Socialist. Or a communist. Commie. He's a communist, basically.
Yeah, and I think he became a columnist. Is he
a columnist for The Guardian or something? Well, he was
on Big Brother. It was all downhill from there. um
so yeah he's a he's no longer a columnist john
he's what everybody else is a youtuber He has what
he thinks is a podcast because he's basically a YouTuber.
And here he is. No. Part of the British media
is covering the fact that at the end of this
month, three Ukrainian rent boys are on trial for allegedly
arsoning the British Prime Minister Keir Starmer. Is that British?
Can you say arsoning as like a verb? Arsoning? Like
lighting somebody on fire? Yeah, arsoning. Is that a verb?
I thought arson was just... Well, maybe it is. Isn't
it an adverb? No. Arsening. I've never heard of... Well,
let's look it up. Just type it into the browser.
It'll tell you. Okay. I never heard the usage, that
usage before. Let me see. Hey, book of knowledge. Is
arsoning, can you say someone was arsoning someone else? It's
a widely recognized term that may be misspelling or a
variation of arsenic. Poisoning. Yeah. Arsening is a real verb
form mainly used in India. You can say someone was
arsening a building. Most people just say committing arson, though.
See, that's different than this. This definition is widely recognized.
which is a misspelling or a variation of arsenic. It
does have a specific definition. Blah, blah, blah. It goes
on. Okay. All right. Back to the clip then, because
this is getting fun. Rent boys, massage artists, male models,
every one of them a Ukrainian, is charged with arsoning
two separate residences, two separate vehicles. If this were happening
to me or any other citizen in the land, every
person in Britain would be fully conversant and would be
speculating wildly on exactly why these Ukrainian red boys allegedly
arsoned the British Prime Minister, but not one. News report.
has occurred into the extraordinary circumstances of a serving British
Prime Minister being singled out for reasons we know not
why. Allegedly by three Ukrainian rent boys. And very pretty
boys. The men are pleading not guilty. They may very
well be innocent, but they may very well have to
be cross-examined. But by the end of the trial, we'll
know one whole lot more about just what they had
held against the British Prime Minister. That's horrible. But... I
can't talk like that if I wanted to. Now, so
the press has started to pick up on it. They
don't call them rent boys. But there is a story.
The trial of three men accused of conspiring to commit
arson against two properties and... This is proper. Conspiring to
commit arson, not arsoning them. A vehicle linked to the
Prime Minister has started today at the Old Bailey. Now
the three defendants, two Ukrainians and a Romanian, appeared in
the... this morning and they are Roman Lavrinovich, a 22-year-old,
Petro Potranok, who's 35, and the 27-year-old Stanislav Karpuik. Now,
they have been charged with conspiring to commit arson and
Roman Lavrinovich is also facing two further charges of committing
arson with intent. to endanger lives. Now, all three defendants
deny all of the charges set against them. Now, listen
to this. The prosecution here, opened by Duncan Atkinson Casey,
went through the three arson attacks in turn, starting with
a Toyota set ablaze in the early hours of the
8th of May, and then a residential property. on Ellington
Street in Kentish Town on the 11th of May. And
finally, the third arson attack, another residential property also in
Kentish Town on the 12th of May. They said it
was immediately clear when the London Fire Brigade and the
police attended the second of those arson attacks that had
been set on fire. purposely and that in both of
the properties where fires had been started smoke and flames
had entered the houses endangering the lives of those within
them now the prosecution went through some of the data
and information they had collected on the defendants to build
the case including Telegram chats locations and images as well
now there were discussions held between the defendants about these
arson attacks and there was also a discovery on the
telegram end-to-end encrypted platform how does that work where the
defendants were speaking with a russian-speaking telegram account called El
Money. El Money? The jury were told not to consider
any ideological or political motivation behind these arson attacks. Instead,
stating that they were motivated by money, not by any
political or ideological reasons. There you go. El Money is
the Russian pimp. And Starmer Stiff the Rent Boys. So
to speak. didn't pay him. So they decided to burn
it down. I think Galloway's onto something here. Maybe. Yeah.
Then that would... Fall right in line with Mandelson Tricks.
Because he's all about the Rent Boys. Everything is fishy.
Everything is literally fake and gay at this point. It's
amazing. So I have a Africa clip. Well, there goes
the audience. Well, it leads to an Ask Adam. Oh,
boy. Okay. Now the Africa clip is short. Well, it's
not that short, but it's just Nigeria. Something's up with
Nigeria. And I think if you read between the lines
on this Nigeria clip, this is just... Another attempt to...
Get a stranglehold on the oil production of Nigeria. Nigeria,
the United States. Big oil producing African nation. Yeah. Nigeria
Vance, is that the one we're playing here? Yeah, that's
the only one I got. Nigeria and the United States
have agreed to deepen cooperation on security and counterterrorism following
high-level talks. in Washington. The renewed diplomatic push comes amid
a surge in deadly attacks in Nigeria, particularly in Plateau
and Benue states, where hundreds have been killed and communities
displaced. Chris Iwoko reports from Abuja. A statement from Nigeria's
presidency said that the National Security Advisor Nuhuri Badu met
senior U.S. officials including the Vice President J.D. Vance and
the Secretary of State Marco Rubio. Both sides agreed to
expand intelligence sharing, defense cooperation and regional security efforts. Discussions
reportedly focused on counterterrorism and the deteriorating security situation in
West Africa and the Sahel. where jihadists have been attacking
in several countries. Nigeria had already committed to tackling terrorism
and violent extremism in the fight against Boko Haram and
the Islamic State West Africa province. Well, isn't this just
about the mines, the gold, the minerals? I think that
and the oil. Is oil in West Africa? Africa? Is
that in Nigeria? I believe there's oils in Nigeria. I
think Nigeria is a major producer, if I'm not mistaken.
Well, there's also, they're killing Christians! Yeah, that's all happening
in Nigeria. Yeah, well, they didn't have that in the
report. But what's interesting to me, this was a Vance
and Rubio, which they usually kept apart. Hmm. Hmm. I
don't know what that's all about. It's a contest to
see who can do better at Nigeria, and that will
help determine who Trump is going to support for 2028.
I think Trump's gonna stay out of it. Alright, Ask
Adam, I'm ready for you. This is it, I'm gonna
ask you before we play the clip, because it's in
the... The answer's in the clip. Okay. Because I was
kind of surprised by this myself. Okay. How many languages
are spoken on the continent of Africa? Answer the question,
go! Uh, how ma- Now, first of all, Africa is
big. It's big. It's big. There's a lot of tribes.
So I'm going to go. I'm going to bet all
of my money. in this round of... You're all in.
I'm all in. I'm all in on this round of
Jeopardy. I'm going to say... 537 languages on the continent
of Africa. Or just play the clip. We did a
series of children, child presenters, 14 of them from across
Africa. And I'm blown away by how it's not just
the audience who related to these kids. It's how those
kids... became fanatic conservationists because they were selected for their
stage presence to be hosts of a TV show about
wildlife. So I do think that local relevance and resonance
with the people on the ground is very important and
in a continent like Africa where we have over 2,000
languages we need... people to be telling the stories in
all those languages and bringing in our cultural knowledge. Wow.
Well, luckily my fellow contestants were all like 20, 35,
a bunch of losers. Over 2,000. That's not a tip
of the day. That is our little factoid that people
can now use to bet money. This is a money
maker. Wow, over 2,000. Man. And do you think that
the one tribe could understand the other one? I'm sure
there's always some probably one guy, there's a polyglot in
every group that can speak three or four of these
languages. He's a superstar, you know. 2,000? 2,000? Over 2,000.
That's a lot. Yeah, I'd like to see a list.
That's crazy. They probably can't even call them. They don't
even have names. Hey, so since you brought up Rubio,
well, we both brought up Rubio and Vance, and you
think Trump's going to stay out of it. Very possible.
Um, Got a couple clips about Tucker. Actually, one with
Tucker. Oh, after I did all these Tucker things that
you groused about. Yeah, but I'm bringing new stuff to
the table. You know, you just bring an old hat.
Yes, I grossed about it. Did you say old hat?
Old hat, yes, old hat. Oh, man. Another boomer adjacent
term here on the No Agenda Show. He had Massey
on. Again, Massey. uh to complain massie's under a under
attack yes and uh and that's why he went on
tucker um and so i have a short clip first
of the it's the massey disappointment list but Trump's have
changed dramatically. At least the disconnect between what he said
he was going to do and what he's doing is
shocking. I, you know, when I endorsed him, I thought
we wouldn't have a new war. I thought we would
get warrants for FISA that they had used to spy
on him. I thought that Maha would be front and
center at the... at the HHS with Bobby Kennedy there.
I thought that we would have sane foreign policy. I
thought that where we put America first, that's my definition
of sane. I thought we would end our involvement in
the war in Ukraine. I thought we would release all
the Epstein files and indict some of those SOBs. um
And those are all the things I'm still fighting for.
Do you think Massey- They're so beast. Is he a
little blinded by his hatred? Because- I mean, I see
Maha doing something. I think Maha is doing all it
can do. It's up against the most powerful forces in
the universe, in the United States, the big pharma force
that that owns the media. And are we still what
is the expected to do? I mean, I'm super disappointed
they haven't, you know, just stopped TV advertising. That would
make a difference. Yeah. But I mean, have we not?
withdrawn from the Ukraine war? Have we not withdrawn from
that? Well, we haven't withdrawn from it. I mean, we're
not really in the Ukraine war. No, but he says,
well, we should get out of the Ukraine war. We're
not in it. We're selling stuff. I don't know. I
think he's a little blinded by hatred. I don't think
he's a hater. I think he's just like, he's an
ideologue. And he has his, you know, and he's... He's
kind of a stick in the mud. So New York
Magazine has a big thing going on about Tucker. New
York Magazine. I'm telling you, Tucker is a... I said
in the last show, and I had the clip of
them, you know, trying to slam him. He is a,
right now... uh a lightning rod and he's an op
Here is the New York Mag dude talking on France
24, of all places, about this. Last month, Tucker Carlson.
and the influential far-right commentator said he regretted voting for
Donald Trump. He made a comment on his podcast during
a conversation with his brother Buckley, a former Trump speechwriter.
You and me and millions of people like us are
the reason this is happening right now. Yes. So... I
do think it's like a moment. I love that right
there. You and me and a bunch of other people
is the reason this is happening right now. Do you
think that Tucker is the reason this is happening? I'd
give Marjorie Taylor Greene more props than Tucker. And what's
his face? Your boy. Yeah. Talking boy. Come on. Fuentes?
Fuentes! I give him some credit. Well, he now came
out and said he's a Democrat, which I'm not sure.
Well, there's that. There's that. But I think, you know,
for Tucker to spike it, you know, to toot his
own horn here, like, oh, yeah, well, this is all
because of us. Buckley? Buckley? Buckley? Buckley? Buckley? Buckley? Buckley?
Can you get the yardage, please? Like us, for the
reason this is happening right now. Yes. Yes. So I
do think it's like a moment to wrestle with our
own consciences. You know, we'll be tormented by it for
a long time. We did such a bad thing. And
I want to say I'm sorry for misleading people. It
was not intentional. Yes, because people vote based on what
Tucker Carlson says. It was not intentional. I was too.
I'm so sorry. Carlson has come full circle decades before
he became one of his strongest supporters. Carlson had called
Trump, quote, the single most repulsive person on the planet.
Now that is interesting. So in the 90s, he hated
Trump. Then he loved Trump. Now he hates Trump. think
this guy doesn't know anything. He just goes with whatever
will get some clicks. or views or whatever. I think
that that's been asserted. He made that comment in a
1999 post on the website Slate. That was just before
he became a CNN commentator. Carlson later worked at MSNBC.
Both outlets that MAGA movement today considers as liberal fake
news. It wasn't until... Carlson joined Fox that he found
real notoriety on primetime of America's most watched news network.
Carlson often went on vicious rants against women, immigrants, or
people of color. For many liberals, charging racism has become
an almost involuntary habit, a tick that is literally the
definition of racism. These very same people are the quickest
to cry racism. Sarah Jong is an angry bigot. It's
not about Brett Kavanaugh at this point. It's about punishing
everyone who looks like Brett Kavanaugh. But let's get back
to the race thing. Race, skin color, racial division, race
and gender, skin color. Carlson was hyperbolic. Contrarian. I'm sorry?
He calls it a vicious rant. Yeah, if you take
it out of context. You could say more entertainer than
commentator. After all, Fox News once even won a court
case by persuasively arguing that no reasonable viewer takes Tucker
Carlson seriously. But today, reasonable legacy media take him very
seriously. Huh? I didn't know that. What? That Fox won
a court case and their legal argument that it was
nobody takes Tucker seriously? Yes. Oh, I remember that. Absolutely.
That's hilarious. He's a commentator. Oh, yeah. So here's the
guy from the, he's the author of this piece in
the New Yorker. For more, we can speak to the
New Yorkers, Jason Zengerle. He's also the author of Hated
by All the Right People, Tucker Carlson and the Unraveling
of the Conservative Mind. Jason, thank you for speaking to
Scoop. First question, I guess. Could you foresee- Why are
you O Brothering? This could be fun. You have no
idea. No, it's just the guy. I mean- For one
thing, If I'm not mistaken, New York Magazine was a
Murdoch property for a long time. New York, this is
New Yorker. New Yorker. Oh, that's New Yorker? Yeah, I'm
sorry. It's the New Yorker. Oh, that's a big difference.
Yeah, I'm sorry. I said it wrong in the beginning.
Yeah, isn't New Yorker part of the New York Times?
No, no, not at all. New Yorker is a stick-up-its-ass
operation that's been around forever. They're very serious about themselves.
No, it's not a New York Times thing at all,
a property at all. Well, then wait until you hear
what he asks. to say. Traveling of the conservative mind.
Jason, thank you for speaking to Scoop. First question, I
guess, could you foresee this happening, this falling out between
Donald Trump and Tucker Carlson? Yeah, you could because it's
not the first time this has happened. I mean, Tucker's
relationship with Trump has been a bit of a roller
coaster. or over the last three decades, as you pointed
out, the degree to which the falling out has occurred
and the severity with which Tucker is now denouncing Trump,
I think that's a little surprising. But the fact that
they've fallen out, I mean, as recently as, you know,
four years ago, they had fallen out. So that itself.
isn't necessarily anything new. What do you think about this
flurry of interest on both sides of the Atlantic about
what Tucker Carlson thinks? I mean, with the BBC and
The Economist, we're interviewing him before he had said he
regretted voting for Trump. Should we be preparing for a
2028 presidential run by Tucker Carlson? It does seem like
he's preparing for that. He seems to be setting himself
up for something. And I think that, you know, explains
some of the forcefulness of his denunciations of Trump. I
mean, look, this has been obviously prompted by the war
in Iran. And Tucker, there has been one sort of
consistent thing with him over the past two decades, and
that is his opposition to America. American adventurism abroad and
that was one of the reasons he was supporting Trump
as he thought Trump was an America firster. So the
fact that Trump has done this, you can see why
Trump would be angry, or why Tucker would be angry,
and you can see Tucker viewing this as possibly an
opening for him to run in '28 and to inherit
that mantle. of isolationism. Wow, New Yorker. It's bogus. You
just said New Yorker take themselves very seriously. They do.
They take themselves very seriously. They write long. The magazine
is designed for the... thoughtful individual who likes to read.
The essays in there aren't short and sweet and to
the point. They're They're more feature links. Well, they're not
actually, they're pretty well written. The writing in the magazine
is quite good. Or the editing, one of the two.
So the stuff is good. They've kind of lost their
edge with the cartoons, though. They used to have some
of the more... Oh, didn't they have the... The dog
on the internet, Nobody Knows You're a Dog. Yeah, that's
a classic. But they've always had these cartoon editors that
were top notch. Didn't they fire those? guys and start
using they lost they lost one of the cartoon editors
that was one of the better arrogant character i guess
he got on everybody's nerves and they put in some
woke uh people to pick the cartoons and if you
look at their cartoons they're mostly They're lame compared to
what they used to be 10 years ago. Well, so
how about this then? Could they be? pushing Tucker Carlson
to fracture the MAGA base and giving people some kind
of false hope or throwing stirring the pot It could
be. I mean, there's somebody, I mean, it's obvious that
Tucker is part of it, along with Fuentes, who has
this love-hate relationship with him and Fuentes. He goes on
about how great Fuentes is in one minute, and then
he says, I'm sorry I ever interviewed the guy in
another interview. I mean, Tucker's all over the map. The
guy's like a drunk driver. The new Woker. Well, then
this last clip may actually explain what's going on here.
Megan Kelly, also a former Fox host, she says she's
a close friend of Tucker Carlson. She said she thinks
the reason why the New York Times interviewed him was
because they hate Trump more than they hate Tucker. So
they were eager to have that opportunity to get someone
to bash Trump. I mean, what do you think about
these media? taking the decision to interview Tucker. Does that,
do they have to stoop to their level or was
it newsworthy? Because in this day and age, we're seeing
influencers like Tucker Carlson have perhaps more reach than traditional
media. Well, I think people have wanted to interview Tucker
for a while. I think what's interesting is that Tucker
is doing the interviews. I think, I don't think... I
don't think Megyn Kelly should be questioning anybody's motives frankly.
But I think that Tucker... Slam! Look, there are a
lot of people who have broken with Trump over the
years, and there's always been this expectation that, oh, this
is the moment that MAGA is going to fracture, and
that doesn't happen. I think that's the same thing that's
going to happen this time. I don't think this is
going to fracture MAGA. He doesn't think so. So maybe
they're not doing that. I don't know. I don't know,
but they're taking him seriously for some reason. Oh, he's
got a... agent. Who? I don't know. A talent agent
is getting him these. gigs. I have no idea. This
whole thing is, it just seems so phony. All right.
Sorry I brought it up. No, I'm glad you brought
it up. I have a clip of... I kind of
like to watch it myself. It's like watching a car
wreck. I have a clip of Alan Dershowitz. There's another
guy who, you know, before you play, let me play
a couple of character assassination clips. Yeah. Because I've got,
Alan Dershowitz is on the list. Now, I know you're
going to groan about this, but John Kiriakou. Hey, you've
had plenty to groan about, Mike. clips today so you're
good you have free reign this guy he has I
mean I'm going to start collecting his character assassination clips
because And he's got Dershowitz in there coming up. That's
coming up. I've got two today. I've got one on
Newsome. Explain who Kiriakou is. Just explain who Kiriakou is.
Kiriakou. Okay, Kiriakou. who is a whistleblower. At the CIA,
he was both an analyst and became a field agent.
So he has a broad spectrum of experience with the
agency. And he refused to get involved with the torture
program. And he was the only one who didn't want
to take part. the training or do anything else. And
he thought it was illegal and he blew the whistle.
He says in hindsight, what he should have done was
have a lawyer with him from the get-go because he
was kind of naive about blowing the whistle. And just
to explain, this is the Abu Ghraib prison torture. Yeah.
And so he blew the whistle and got thrown in
jail for two years. under some charged espionage act or
some bullshit and he's very pissed off about that but
Now he's got a talent agent and he's all over
the place and he's on a lot of podcasts and
a couple of favorites he likes to do. Does he
have a book? And he talks too much. Does he
have a book? How does he make money? Oh, he's
got, I think, three books. Oh, okay. He's got a
bunch of books. But he likes to talk and he
likes the character assassination. Here he is on Newsom. Gavin
Newsom was a member of the San Francisco City Council.
Then he was... the chairman of the city council, then
he was the mayor of San Francisco, then the lieutenant
governor of California, then the governor of California. Okay? So
he's... This is a very well thought out plan to
move higher, higher, higher and become president. When he was
running for governor of California, he asked his lifelong best.
friend who was also his campaign manager to represent him
at a political function. The man did. It wasn't because
Newsom was busy. It was because Newsom was having an
affair with his best friend's wife. And they got caught.
What kind of person is that? If your best friend
and your own wife can't trust you, why am I
supposed to trust you? Are you going to screw me
behind your back as an American taxpayer? So I don't
like or trust Gavin Newsom at all. Where was this
interview from? I think he's got this one guy he
loves to interview with. I can't remember his name. He's
a podcast, very slick video podcast, very YouTuber. It's well
produced. It's got a lot of bouquet in the shots.
The sound is dynamite. Bouquet? Yeah, a bouquet is where
you have the person in front is in high focus
and the background is blurry. Oh, beautiful. Yes, beautiful. That's
hard to do. Yeah, what you need is you need
certain kinds of lenses to make that look good. Yeah,
yeah, you do. And it's just too, I mean, the
podcast is super slick. Anyway, so here he is talking
about CIA directors that he hates. And he's got both
Gina Haskell and Mike Pompeo and here's what he says.
He made a mistake twice in his first term appointing
very, very bad people. CIA director. Very bad. Like, Mike
Pompeo? Oh my god. The only person less popular than
Mike Pompeo at the CIA was Mrs. Mike Pompeo, let
me tell you. I got that from one of his
bodyguards. And then Gina Haskell? Wait, wait, wait, why? Why?
You! Go get my dry cleaning. You! Go walk my
dog. They're like, lady, we don't work for you. We're
protecting your husband. We're not going to go get your
dry cleaning and walk your dog. The other one was
Bloody Gina Haspel. We called her Bloody Gina for a
good reason. And that's the person that you appoint to
the CIA directorship. Why do you call her Bloody Gina?
Because she flew out to the secret site to sit
in. on one of the torture sessions just because she
could. just to sit there and enjoy it and take
it all in. What kind of sick person does something
like that? He's probably right. I believe that. Yeah. Yeah,
we knew that she was called Bloody Gina. heard about
that. Yeah. Okay, so you think Dershowitz, he's going to
assassinate Dershowitz? Dershowitz is coming up, yeah. He doesn't like
Dershowitz. He doesn't like anybody. He thinks that Rudy Giuliani
should be in jail. He's dying. He's dying. He's not
going to make it to jail. I agree. So Dershowitz.
He's kind of on board with our theory about Epstein.
which you might want to reiterate. Yeah, he was a
pimp. Literally. uh running a whorehouse in New York, a
big one for the elites at the high prices. And
the island never really came into play. he would procure.
And he would procure underage, but it's also, I think
he'd probably, I think he also procured gays. Yeah, there's
no talk of that anywhere. No, it is starting to
show up. Oh, okay. So Dershowitz takes. And this has
always been my thing. What are these victims? I'd like
to, you know, the first lady said, hey, why don't
y'all go on the record? Victims, tell us your story.
Victims on the congressional record. So, you know, you can
talk freely there. Your NDAs don't count. It's okay. I
don't. think any any Any hearings have been scheduled? I
don't think anyone jumped up and down to get that
going. And Dershowitz has his thoughts about the victims. He
was not a pedophile. I have no information about any
pedophiles in the Epstein circle. A pedophile... medically as somebody
who is interested in prepubescent people, prepubescent people, 10, 11,
12. That was not his modus operandi. He was interested
in 16-year-olds, 17, 18-year-olds. That's a terrible thing. By the
way, it's legal in France. It's legal in many parts
of Europe. It's hard to say you're a pedophile in
America, but not in France. Pedophile is not a legal
term. It's a medical psychological term. So I don't think
there's a real case for people being called pedophiles, although
everybody calls them a pedophile. I also don't believe there
was any trafficking going on. What happened is he made
it known to. Young people in Palm Beach, if you
come and give me a massage, you get $250. And
many of them came back over and over and over
again, collected the $250, and then got $500 if they
recruited other people to come and give him more massages.
And then there was this third category, a very large
category. of women who never met Jeffrey Epp- never laid
eyes on him and their corrupt lawyers in Palm Beach
would go to them and say How old are you?
Oh, you were about that age when Epstein... Why don't
you just say you gave Epstein a massage? We'll collect
$50,000 for you. And they did. Right. So I would
love to see a thorough investigation. of every single claimed
survivor and victim and find out how many there really
were. There were plenty. Yeah, you know, no one's ever
going to buy into our theory. They are so convinced
that there's people eating babies on the island. Eating babies.
Eating babies. And Trump played into that himself in many
ways. And Q, there's a lot of Q stuff. And
then children being shipped in Wayfair boxes. We've seen it
all. But in this case, I think Dershowitz is on
the right track. That sounds right to me. Yeah, but
it's not going to help. Now, we got also another
thing that broke this week's UFO files. I got two
clips. Yeah, I got a couple things on that, too.
Let's see. UFO files. All right, here we go. Back
here at home to the Pentagon, releasing UFO files. The
Trump administration releasing never before. seen images of unexplained objects
in the sky collected by the U.S. government dating all
the way back to the 1940s. Here's Tom Costello with
those images. Tonight, more mysterious images just revealed. 160 government
files detailing 400 alleged UFO encounters, including this. infrared military
video from 2013 of what appears to be an eight-pointed
star streaking across the sky. Mysterious white and black aerial
blips that defy the laws of physics. More grainy still
images of the unexplained, and this image taken from the
moon by the Apollo 17 astronauts. of what appears to
be lights hovering overhead. The astronauts later suggested it could
have been ice crystals. Today, President Trump posted, with these
new documents and videos, the people can decide for themselves.
But there are no reports of aliens or spacecraft in
government custody. Yeah, I saw the website. It's lame. There's
nothing new there. It's lame. It is lame. Did you
see it? Did you look at the website? Black and
white. Black and white all like the X-Files. The best
thing I've seen recently in terms of grainy black and
white stuff is the... WikiLeaks moon outtakes. Have you seen
this? Moon outtakes? What is this? Outtakes. WikiLeaks have found
a file of the moon landing that you're always saying
is a fake. Yes. outtakes showing it was being filmed
as it was being filmed in the arizona or the
now i'm sorry the Nevada desert. Okay. And they have
the same guys that got Neil Armstrong and they got
the whole thing. It's like very, right up your alley.
I'm surprised you didn't see it. I may have seen
it, but there's so much. No, no, you would have
remembered it. Believe me, it's long. Okay, I have to
look for that. But it's like, yeah. You know, everything
on the internet is AI. Who knows? I don't know.
I don't know anymore. We absolutely can't. Yeah, well, I
think that's a good point. Here's UFO files too. Many
leading astrophysicists remain skeptical. Just because you see something and
you don't know what it is. You kid. Oh, is
this Neil deGrasse Tyson? Tyson? Yeah, duh. Oh, man, that
guy. Oh, you know, I am the stargazer. Do something
and you don't know what it is. You can't then
say... It must be aliens visiting from outer space. The
documents date back to the 1940s, including an FBI report
from an Air Force colonel reporting a... flying disc. More
recent reports from fighter pilots, this diagram from people who
claim they witnessed a cigar-shaped object, and a 2023 video
of three concentric circles flying in unison. I have not
seen anything to suggest that we've been visited by any
intelligent life forms out there. But the universe... is massive,
at least two trillion galaxies and trillions more planets. Given
the vastness of the universe, it's really hard to imagine
that life, and even intelligent life, hasn't formed somewhere. It's
hard to imagine that anybody is visiting us or continually
visiting us. And Tom, tonight there is a pattern, though
a lot of these images... coming from military pilots that
are near or around military facilities or ships. Yeah, and
that raises concern that some of these unexplained aerial phenomenon
could include technology that America's adversaries here on Earth possess,
but we don't, Tom. This is a continuous thing that
I hear in all of these reports. It might be
UFOs, but it could also be some great technology, military
technology from other people, other countries that we don't possess.
And, you know, I'm thinking we need to have about
half a trillion dollars extra for the budget next year.
Yeah, yeah. Yep. So we'll probably get everybody all kind
of, every report has that, every single one. It could
also, I mean, it could be UFOs, but it could
also be some Chinese technology. And if you really... Yeah,
sure. The Chinese have to still copy our jets. They
have to find a jet and then make a phony
baloney copy of it. Wait a minute. Because they can't
dream up... anything by themselves. I mean, not that they
can't, but they haven't been able, they haven't done it.
It could be Russian technology, but are you saying... Yeah,
the Russians do the same thing. Are you saying the
UFOs are real? No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying
what you're saying. What I'm doing is commenting on your
comment about this. being something of a scam just to
get more money for the budget. I'm in a roundabout
way agreeing with you. Okay, good. By saying the Russians
and the Chinese, they're not, they don't have flying saucers.
So what we always do with our Department of War
or... formerly known as the artist formerly known as Department
of Defense. We bring in our Hollywood guys. Remember the
timeline. June 12th is not that far away. People coming
to IMAX. I've always been fascinated with things that cannot
be explained. What is it? You won't believe me if
I told you. So I'm going to show you. I've
made a lot of movies about things that cannot be
explained, from sharks to saucers. Do you think there could
be others? When I was just a little kid, I
remember developing a real curiosity about the sky at night
and what's happening up there. People have a right to
know the truth. And also, not the possibility, but the
guarantee that there is life off this planet. Don't turn
me on now. People's questions about what is not only
going on in our skies, but what is going on
in our worlds, in our realities, has reached a critical
mass. They're coming! complete fascination with are we alone or
are we not alone? Starved for the truth. And if
someone knows we're not alone, why haven't we been told?
Full disclosure, to the whole world, all at once. Full
disclosure all at once. This is the entire script in
movie form. Yeah, we got some guys. Full disclosure. Disclosure
Day, coming from Universal Pictures. Yeah, the old movie gambit.
It's so obvious. Now... We've got two guys out there.
We've got Senator Burleson, who I think is from Missouri.
We've got Senator... Burchett from Tennessee. I think it's Burchard.
I think he was on some show. He basically lives
in his car. What? I didn't hear this. He lives
in his car? Yeah, he's talking about how he can't
get a place in D.C. So he's got a bed
in his office that he sleeps in. and then he
goes to the gym to shower. Well, he was on
Joe Rogan. And Joe is a big UFO guy. I
hope Joe gave him a place to shower, maybe gave
him a room to stay. You have no knowledge of
what's supposed to be released because today is Wednesday. I'm
going to know tomorrow at 3. Tomorrow at 3 p.m.,
is that when the world knows? No, I think they're
going to ask me, just give me a little bit
of it. But I got a feeling they're not going
to tell me much. I got a feeling they're not
going to tell America that much. When is it supposed
to be disclosed this week? Whatever they're going to disclose?
I don't know. I don't know. If they're going to
disclose it to us, then it'll be out. right as
soon as they hang up the phone with some guys.
So, okay, we know what the disclosure was. It was
a dumb website. There wasn't anything exciting or new that
I could tell. But Burchett, oh, he's got some stories.
He's got some good stories. No, but it's interesting. I
had that deep throat moment, you know, not the porn
version. The Richard Nixon moment, you know, where I was
walking in the tunnel one day and a person came
up to me. And it's always a friend. It's always
a friend that does this and said, it was just
the strangest conversation. And I'll never forget it because he
said, Birchett, he said, You know, you're really pushing on
this UFO thing. And I go, yeah. Yeah, I am,
he said. do you really think we need to do
this? And I just kept listening. When I was a
young man, I'd run my mouth and said, oh, shut
up. But I listened to what he said. He said,
I mean, you know, this could upset the religious community
and all this other, I mean, some of this stuff's
just left unknown, you know? And I said, no, it's
not. The government has no right to decide what I
can and cannot understand or handle or see. And to
me, and every time, Joe. Let me tell you what
they're going to do. I had a two-page bill for
disclosure. And Chuck Schumer had one that was 60 pages,
I believe. And he modeled his after the Kennedy assassination
committee release, which we're over 60 years into that, and
we still don't, they haven't released everything on President Kennedy
getting shot. And that's what they wanted to model this
dadgum thing after. Mine was two pages long. Of course,
mine didn't get anywhere. Dadgum. Dadgum. Dadgum. I love dadgum.
Dadgum. So we heard in there. is uh how this
could upset the religious community well it did This was
a crazy story. Two stories broke today and they are
collided in a way nobody expected. A pastor in Alabama
issued a public apology to a sitting member of Congress
over the viral UFO clip. And on the same news
cycle, former President Barack Obama went on national television and
told the country flat out that the disclosure everyone is
waiting for isn't coming. Hey, you Follagers, I'm Christina Gomez,
and welcome to this episode of UFO News Updates. Larry
Ragland, a senior pastor of the Solid Rock Church in
Birmingham, Alabama, claimed in a video that a very well-known
congressman from Missouri called into a private meeting with pastors
and warned them that the U.S. government is preparing to
tell the public that aliens seeded humanity and that there
is no God and that Jesus and the Bible were
both inventions of these beings. The clip identified the congressman
as Eric Burleson. who sits on the White House Oversight
Subcommittee investigating UAP, and the clip went everywhere. This was
fantastic. So there's all these YouTube pastors, and they're all
about end times, and this is it. Look at what's
happening. It's Iran. It's all going down now, people. Jesus
is on his way. Here's the clip. that this guy
put out. sitting congressman, a very well-known congressman from Missouri,
he called into that meeting as well that was just
for pastors, and this is what he said. On speakerphone,
this sitting, powerful member of Congress said, are the pastors
listening to me? I'm getting chills right now because this
happened. Wait, hold on. Nobody recorded this? It was on
speaker? No, no, no, of course not. This was an
intelligence briefing. You can't record that. No, no, no, no.
You can't speak or you can. But no one did.
No one did. These pastors were on the honor system.
Pastors in the room listening to me. And I said,
yes, sir, we are here. And he said, listen to
me. go and tell the church they are not ready
for what is coming the narrative that is coming what
they are going to say is going to be like
nothing you can even imagine they are preparing to tell
us that they are from another dimension that they are
our creator and that these beings these aliens, whatever you
want to call them, they were the ones that seated
us here. There is no such thing as God. Jesus
was invented by them. The Bible was invented by them
and begin to just say, listen, prepare the people for
what is coming because they're not ready. So... So Joe
brings this up, but here's what was interesting. There were...
two briefings. And I heard about one of them. Because
it took place during NRB. By the way, take clip
of the day for that last clip. Oh, it's so
soon already. Okay. Sorry. I'll take it. Thank you. And
it gets. followed by my getting to say oh brother
no you can you but this is good This is
really because Burleson did talk to the pastors. This guy,
this... Larry Ragland, he had to issue an apology. He
said, oh, you know, he didn't really say that. that
all this was coming, that the aliens had created the
Bible and made up the whole story about God. That
was my editorial. I should have made it clear that
that wasn't what the senator said. But it was Burleson
who spoke to those pastors in Missouri. And Burchett, he
spoke to pastors. During NRB, I heard someone mention something,
oh, there's some off-site at an Airbnb, and there's some
senator calling in. And it did happen. That was Berkshire.
Burleson was the other one, and here's where Joe brings
it up to Burchett, and Burchett's like, eh, because already...
People are only talking about Burleson. They're not talking about
Burchard. But he did it too. Yeah, the pastor's thing
that I sent you, Jamie. It's bonkers. I don't buy
that. So this is a guy. It says his name
is Alan Dido. It's weird. This was a whole different
YouTube pastor, not the original guy. Capital D, lowercase I,
capital D, lowercase I, O. Didio. Didio? After sitting in
a private meeting with pastors and those connected to these
investigations, the message was clear. UFO and UAP disclosure is
coming. Pastors must prepare their people now. Silence is not
an option. Well, what does that mean? Like, what are
they preparing the people for? Like, why would they bring
in... Urban pastors I've never heard of. You think it's
BS? I do. I think it is. I think if
he'd have brought anybody in, he'd have brought Franklin Graham
in. Is this gentleman a pastor himself? Click on his...
Yeah, well, I mean, he also has a show, which
is... Of course he does. Of course he does. Oh,
so his show is about disclosure? The Revival Nation Church
or something. No, no, I don't know that. This is
just what these clips are coming around. Can you click
on his bio, please? Like what it clicks, what it
says? equipping end time believers for the next great awakening
oh boy I would warn people that think we're in
the end times. The Bible is pretty clear about that.
It says that they don't even, the angels in heaven
don't even know when the end's coming. I'll spare you
the long clip where it turns out that indeed both
these guys spoke to a group of pastors, one in
Missouri, one in Tennessee. and he's really oh that's bullcrap
he did it it was definitely birch it And I
think that these guys are, I don't know about Burleson.
He may be a little bit deeper into the, we've
got to get everybody on board because this is fun
and we can get more money for the military. Birchit
is probably just a true believer who sleeps in his
office in his car. I don't know, but he definitely
did that. And now you bring in these idiots, whoever
invited the pastors, I'm sorry to say it, but the
YouTube pastors, the end time pastors, they're out of control.
They just talk all kinds of crap and then they
scare people. And, you know, we did a survey at
our church. Like, what would you like to hear Pastor
Jimmy preach about? Number three on the list, end times.
Because everybody's watching this. It's nuts. But of course, if
you follow the no agenda logic, of military. There's always
this thing lurking in the shadows which we've been talking
about for almost two decades. Project Bluebeam. is going to
be used not as a replacement for real actions. It's
going to be used the way that Hollywood uses CGI.
And it's possible there's going to be involvement from Hollywood
in this as well, where they're going to be using
holograms. in order to do what Hollywood calls sweetening of
these false flags. And so in other words, they can
actually have, when we have, for instance, fake alien invasion.
where we will have the cabals send all of these
tic-tacs against a city, against one of our major cities.
to actually destroy it and to make it basically to
wreak havoc upon one of our cities. That's always lurking
in the shadows. Project Bluebeam. It fits. It fits. If
you want to talk conspiracy, second half of show, Project
Bluebeam fits like a T to this. And I don't
know if Trump knows about this. He's like, "Oh, if
you guys want to disclose something, all right, we'll put
it out, whatever." whatever we got, some TikTok videos. I
don't know. Yeah, well... That went nowhere. Yeah, it did.
It went... I took it right to... Project Bluebeam. What
are you talking about? It's perfect. I rounded it out.
I could do the thing about the guy who wrote
the book and got killed, but I didn't want to
bore you with that. Yeah, I remember the guy who
wrote the book. Did you know the guy who wrote
the book? No, I never met the guy who wrote
the book. Serge Monsaert? But you know, the funny thing
is... You know, they talk about, well, the CIA didn't
contribute to this. The CIA has a database that you
can look stuff up in. I talked about this five
years ago. You can look up UFOs in the CIA
database, and there's a bunch of screwball stories in there.
It's about the guy in the farm that he found
the alien spacecraft and he tried to move and he
was frozen because of some mental trick they were playing
on him. It's all in the CIA files. A whole
bunch of these crazy stories and these never come to
the fore. It's very weird. Only the good ones that
they're really working on like Project Bluebeam. Maybe. Would you
put it past our government? Just to finish up on
a lighter note. Okay. Before we go into the break.
Uh... So there was a couple of these actresses now
in Hollywood are becoming OnlyFans women. Couple? A whole bunch
of them. A whole bunch of them? Like big names.
And they're making money. Are they cute? Well, there's a
bunch of big names and the latest one is Jamie.
I think her name is Jamie Presley. She used to
be in. The actress can't get work. But I thought
I would go to the well, because just as an
example, how much money can these girls make? Uh,