1 00:00:00,870 --> 00:00:06,150 podcasting 2.0 for December 10 2021, episode 65 billion 2 00:00:06,150 --> 00:00:14,310 served. My favorite day of the week, got to say top of the list 3 00:00:14,310 --> 00:00:17,010 of favorite podcasts to do Hello everybody. Welcome to the 4 00:00:17,010 --> 00:00:20,550 official board meeting for podcasting. 2.0 everything 5 00:00:20,550 --> 00:00:24,630 happening at podcast index.org the podcast namespace and of 6 00:00:24,630 --> 00:00:28,590 course, all the genius that is flowing through podcast index 7 00:00:28,590 --> 00:00:31,380 dot social. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of Hill Country, 8 00:00:31,380 --> 00:00:35,550 Texas and in Alabama, he dilutes rust faster than Coca Cola, my 9 00:00:35,550 --> 00:00:39,630 friend on the other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones. 10 00:00:41,670 --> 00:00:45,420 Oh my god, YouTube's gonna do podcasting. freak out. Everybody 11 00:00:45,420 --> 00:00:52,650 freak their podcast. I mean, that was the the topic of the 12 00:00:52,650 --> 00:00:56,070 week is YouTube coming in and eating everybody's lunch? 13 00:00:56,100 --> 00:01:00,540 Oh, really? That's interesting. I thought a different topic was 14 00:01:00,540 --> 00:01:05,070 the topic du jour. So I am very interested to hear exactly what 15 00:01:05,070 --> 00:01:08,640 the YouTube news is. Are they taking over a podcasting? Are 16 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:10,650 they going to do it better? Are they going to bring all the new 17 00:01:10,650 --> 00:01:11,460 features? 18 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:16,470 And well evidently, evidently, that's what Todd and Rob said on 19 00:01:16,770 --> 00:01:17,280 on 20 00:01:19,290 --> 00:01:25,530 media. New media show. Yes. What this what I started listening, 21 00:01:25,530 --> 00:01:28,080 but what what exactly did they imply? 22 00:01:28,739 --> 00:01:31,949 Now he said that he thinks they're gonna come in and start 23 00:01:31,949 --> 00:01:37,589 hosting podcasts, like hosting podcast, yeah. Oh, monetization, 24 00:01:37,589 --> 00:01:42,479 and all that. Oh, mine. So that that seems to be his 25 00:01:42,479 --> 00:01:46,019 understanding of some kind of rumor or whatever. But that it 26 00:01:46,019 --> 00:01:48,629 because that goes further than what was actually in the news. 27 00:01:48,629 --> 00:01:54,599 What was in the news was like podcasting. YouTube says it may 28 00:01:54,899 --> 00:01:58,019 have a podcasting monetization strategy. 29 00:01:59,940 --> 00:02:02,940 Can you come closer to the mic? You sound a little bit distant. 30 00:02:03,390 --> 00:02:05,220 Emma, is this better? As much better? 31 00:02:05,250 --> 00:02:09,990 Thank you. I got it. Got inhale through your teeth now. Yes. 32 00:02:09,990 --> 00:02:16,530 Welcome to NPR podcast chat. How you doing, Dave? 33 00:02:17,100 --> 00:02:19,830 I'm doing fantastic. I'm thinking about YouTube and their 34 00:02:19,950 --> 00:02:21,360 know their monetization 35 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,620 strategy. What is the strategy? 36 00:02:27,090 --> 00:02:28,350 I brought clips. Oh, 37 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:30,270 I am God. 38 00:02:31,590 --> 00:02:36,810 Look for clips clips, Susan. Well, she was like, she 39 00:02:36,810 --> 00:02:39,270 different. Jabberwocky, Susan, 40 00:02:39,510 --> 00:02:43,500 oh, we don't laugh about names and podcasting. 2.0. 41 00:02:44,190 --> 00:02:47,280 But not even if it's the CEO of YouTube. Yeah, then I guess 42 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,830 that's okay. Okay. Can I get a waiver? 43 00:02:50,699 --> 00:02:55,769 Just hold on a second. Seconded and waiver is approved. 44 00:02:56,040 --> 00:03:02,610 Excellent. Susan, what could you Nikki? PLAY CLIP good. 45 00:03:04,470 --> 00:03:07,800 Content, moderation, obviously a challenge. You're working on it. 46 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:12,540 You have a strategy? What is the next big kind of scary thing 47 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,010 that you're worried about? 48 00:03:14,190 --> 00:03:15,930 Oh, who's doing this interview? 49 00:03:17,190 --> 00:03:21,030 I don't know. I forgot. I think it's nobody I've ever heard of. 50 00:03:21,060 --> 00:03:22,950 I think so. Where was this from then? 51 00:03:24,540 --> 00:03:25,650 Oh, you're gonna make me sound? 52 00:03:25,709 --> 00:03:28,919 Oh, no, that's okay. I was just curious. The reason why it's 53 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:34,889 just, I think all CEOs should be asked this question. You are the 54 00:03:34,889 --> 00:03:43,139 CEO of GM or GM, GE. What do you find most scary? Out there is a 55 00:03:43,139 --> 00:03:44,759 good question for CEOs. 56 00:03:44,790 --> 00:03:49,350 Well, so here's the here's the interesting, this is a very 57 00:03:49,350 --> 00:03:52,620 interesting clip. There's kind of two sections to it. And the 58 00:03:52,620 --> 00:03:55,620 first is first thing. She says, you know, what, what keeps you 59 00:03:55,620 --> 00:03:58,740 at what's most scary to you? Right? What keeps you up? And 60 00:03:58,740 --> 00:04:03,840 then the most interesting part about her response to me is that 61 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:08,970 she genuinely seems taken aback by the question. Like, I don't 62 00:04:08,970 --> 00:04:11,880 think that this was the this part of the interview at least 63 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:16,740 was scripted PA, but as in just the way she responds tells me 64 00:04:16,740 --> 00:04:21,090 that she was not expecting this question. And which is awesome, 65 00:04:21,090 --> 00:04:23,490 because then you think, Okay, well, I'm actually going to get 66 00:04:23,490 --> 00:04:25,650 a decent answer, probably because you may mess up and 67 00:04:25,650 --> 00:04:25,980 flub, 68 00:04:26,100 --> 00:04:29,730 right. Okay, yeah. I'll start from the beginning. 69 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,420 Content, moderation, obviously, a challenge. You're working on 70 00:04:33,420 --> 00:04:38,340 it, you have a strategy. What is the next big kind of scary thing 71 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,100 that you're worried about? On YouTube? 72 00:04:44,370 --> 00:04:48,420 I mean, right now, I mean, the content moderation has been a 73 00:04:48,420 --> 00:04:53,850 huge area for us. And I think it's something we're always 74 00:04:53,850 --> 00:04:57,480 going to have to continue to be on top of. It's not, I think 75 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:58,800 we're in a good place in the last 76 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:03,060 year. You know the way it works? You just say stop. Stop. Okay. 77 00:05:03,090 --> 00:05:03,480 Yes. 78 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:10,980 See? So this the reason I say that she did not this is not 79 00:05:10,980 --> 00:05:14,010 scripted in this quarter by surprise was because the whole 80 00:05:14,010 --> 00:05:16,560 conversation up to this point I cut all this out because I'm not 81 00:05:16,590 --> 00:05:20,100 I just not it's not interesting was this big discussion about 82 00:05:20,100 --> 00:05:23,040 content moderation. That was what the whole interview was up 83 00:05:23,130 --> 00:05:27,960 was about up until this point. And so she's like a 84 00:05:27,989 --> 00:05:30,719 she's still in content moderation mode and she's using 85 00:05:30,719 --> 00:05:32,339 that to think of her answer. Think 86 00:05:32,340 --> 00:05:33,690 of her answer. Yes, yes. All right. 87 00:05:33,779 --> 00:05:37,739 All right. I mean, the content, moderation has been a huge area 88 00:05:37,739 --> 00:05:41,729 for us. And I think it's something we're always going to 89 00:05:41,729 --> 00:05:45,389 have to continue to be on top of, it's not, I think we're in a 90 00:05:45,389 --> 00:05:48,779 good place in the last couple of years, we've put so much work 91 00:05:48,779 --> 00:05:53,909 from people, technology process, experts in place to really make 92 00:05:53,909 --> 00:05:56,609 sure that we're on top of it, but I'm always going to tell 93 00:05:56,609 --> 00:05:59,159 you, that's going to be one of my, that's going to be my top 94 00:05:59,159 --> 00:06:01,619 responsibility. And we can never take our eye off the ball, we're 95 00:06:01,619 --> 00:06:04,709 always going to be focused on that. Got it. But in terms of 96 00:06:04,709 --> 00:06:08,159 other things to worry about, we're certainly regulation i 97 00:06:08,189 --> 00:06:12,659 We're certainly very focused on working. You know, we I love the 98 00:06:12,659 --> 00:06:13,199 crop because 99 00:06:13,469 --> 00:06:18,029 it's my favorite test. Regulation, and she goes off the 100 00:06:18,029 --> 00:06:21,179 deep end would analyze. So this is better than laughing about 101 00:06:21,179 --> 00:06:24,329 her name. By the way, analyzing this is much more fun. 102 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:30,959 Yeah, so the here, the uncomfortable laugh there. That 103 00:06:30,959 --> 00:06:34,559 is going to be she's going to one up that with a Oh, no 104 00:06:34,679 --> 00:06:38,729 uncomfortable mega laugh here in a minute. Like, it's not the 105 00:06:38,729 --> 00:06:42,389 obnoxious kind, but it's very drawn out and much more obvious 106 00:06:42,539 --> 00:06:46,259 than this. So she's her first kind of thing that she can come 107 00:06:46,259 --> 00:06:50,939 up with she's she replayed the content moderation thing. So she 108 00:06:50,939 --> 00:06:53,459 get by herself time to think of something, the first thing she 109 00:06:53,459 --> 00:06:55,619 thinks of is regulations, right. 110 00:06:56,130 --> 00:06:58,830 And then she's laughing. She's laughing about it. So is that 111 00:06:58,830 --> 00:07:02,670 because she knows that it's really going to be in her favor 112 00:07:02,670 --> 00:07:05,550 and to her benefit? Because that's what it is. I think 113 00:07:05,550 --> 00:07:06,720 that's why she's laughing but 114 00:07:10,830 --> 00:07:14,700 regulated. So there's no one else can come in. 115 00:07:15,750 --> 00:07:18,390 This is good regulation. Wait, wait, 116 00:07:18,420 --> 00:07:21,480 this is a good clip. Congratulations clip for the day 117 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:22,020 maybe. 118 00:07:22,530 --> 00:07:25,170 But in terms of other things to worry about. We're certainly 119 00:07:25,530 --> 00:07:29,910 regulation i We're certainly very focused on working because 120 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:34,530 we across the globe, and there are literally hundreds of bills 121 00:07:34,530 --> 00:07:38,070 that we are that are in discussion right now that all 122 00:07:38,070 --> 00:07:41,190 have a variety of different ways of impacting YouTube, and we 123 00:07:41,190 --> 00:07:43,680 want to make sure that we're able to, you know, that our 124 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,680 creators are able to continue to publish and do the great work 125 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,740 that they do. I'd also say, you know, there's a lot of 126 00:07:49,740 --> 00:07:54,210 competition. Right now everyone is talking about video, we see a 127 00:07:54,210 --> 00:07:58,170 lot of growth. It's not just us companies. There are global 128 00:07:58,170 --> 00:07:59,340 companies that work okay. 129 00:08:00,660 --> 00:08:07,230 So she she says competition. And to me that perked my ears up, 130 00:08:07,230 --> 00:08:10,530 I'm like, oh, okay, well, this this feels like the first true 131 00:08:10,530 --> 00:08:14,430 thing that she had. This is like the first legit answer. I think 132 00:08:14,430 --> 00:08:18,180 she is worried about competition, right? I think they 133 00:08:18,180 --> 00:08:20,820 are seeing this like, you know, you can Laugh all you want to 134 00:08:20,820 --> 00:08:24,750 about rumble and you know, Bridey on and all this crazy, 135 00:08:24,780 --> 00:08:28,650 you know all these? Oh, it's it's it's dilutive? Yeah. It 136 00:08:28,650 --> 00:08:32,340 takes it takes. It's like death by 1000 cuts. I think that this 137 00:08:32,340 --> 00:08:36,150 is a legitimate answer. But here's where it fears into 138 00:08:36,330 --> 00:08:37,140 podcast, 139 00:08:37,350 --> 00:08:40,800 impacting YouTube. And we want to make sure that we're able to, 140 00:08:40,950 --> 00:08:43,800 you know, that our creators are able to continue to publish and 141 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:47,190 do the great work that they do. I'd also say, you know, there's 142 00:08:47,190 --> 00:08:51,540 a lot of competition. Right now everyone is talking about video, 143 00:08:51,540 --> 00:08:55,530 we see a lot of growth. It's not just us companies that are 144 00:08:55,530 --> 00:08:58,950 global companies that we're competing with. And then y'all 145 00:08:58,950 --> 00:09:04,800 are casting. Well, we're we're excited about podcasting. Okay, 146 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,310 hold on a second first leading the witness, leading the 147 00:09:08,310 --> 00:09:11,160 witness. Do you think this was scripted this question? Yeah. 148 00:09:11,250 --> 00:09:11,610 Oh, yeah. 149 00:09:11,610 --> 00:09:13,260 Do that. She's like, 150 00:09:13,439 --> 00:09:18,749 she wasn't ready for that. 151 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,340 That's that's the fake the sort of fake let uncomfortable laugh 152 00:09:23,340 --> 00:09:25,800 where it's like, I don't I don't know what I'm, I don't really 153 00:09:25,830 --> 00:09:27,240 know what I want to say. Oh, my God. 154 00:09:28,620 --> 00:09:33,330 Oh, my God. Let's listen. This is good. 155 00:09:33,809 --> 00:09:38,069 And you're casting. Well, we're 156 00:09:38,099 --> 00:09:40,799 we're excited about podcasting. For sure. 157 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,920 She is I think she's just really excited. 158 00:09:46,890 --> 00:09:50,760 Doesn't that feel like the debts and the sounds like the female 159 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,030 version of the Bill Gates's uncomfortable laugh? 160 00:09:55,020 --> 00:10:01,620 Hmm. No. To me, it sounds like There's something really big 161 00:10:01,620 --> 00:10:07,350 there. She is right. She's doing I really excited. I think it's 162 00:10:07,350 --> 00:10:11,220 very It's so Bill Gates is excited laugh was because you 163 00:10:11,220 --> 00:10:14,490 know, he's nervous about people and Epstein and all that crap. 164 00:10:14,490 --> 00:10:18,180 That's when he does that. Although that's not true. No, 165 00:10:18,210 --> 00:10:21,240 I'm sorry. You're right. When he's talking about vaccines, 166 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:22,320 that's when he does that. 167 00:10:22,500 --> 00:10:26,610 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But this I know something you don't laugh. 168 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:27,030 Yeah. 169 00:10:27,030 --> 00:10:30,180 But this is bigger than that. I can just see here like 170 00:10:30,180 --> 00:10:37,380 corkscrewing up. You know what I mean? Wow, okay. This is good 171 00:10:37,380 --> 00:10:41,850 stuff. I love your journalistic take Dave Jones. You never cease 172 00:10:41,850 --> 00:10:46,110 to amaze. I mean, Russ developer. THAT'S IT admin, 173 00:10:46,830 --> 00:10:50,760 journalist, journal global. You need to blue check on Twitter. 174 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:51,570 What you need now. 175 00:10:52,020 --> 00:10:56,550 I got one a mastodon demonic growth. It's not just us getting 176 00:10:56,550 --> 00:11:03,000 with and, and y'all casting? Well, we're, we're excited about 177 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,480 podcasting, for sure. But you know that that's a place where 178 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,510 there's so many different companies, but we do think it's 179 00:11:09,510 --> 00:11:12,300 a good opportunity for pod. People who are producing 180 00:11:12,300 --> 00:11:16,110 podcasting to generate revenue have more distribution. We 181 00:11:16,110 --> 00:11:18,870 crossed 50 million subscribers for our YouTube music and 182 00:11:18,870 --> 00:11:19,680 premium service. 183 00:11:19,830 --> 00:11:22,560 Yeah, when there's something that's been bothering me and it 184 00:11:22,560 --> 00:11:27,990 was also the Lisa Laporte interview on pod land a week or 185 00:11:27,990 --> 00:11:32,370 two ago, when and it doesn't really matter, male or female, 186 00:11:32,370 --> 00:11:37,080 it just by coincidence, when people are talking about things 187 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,230 that they're absolutely not planning on doing, they always 188 00:11:40,230 --> 00:11:45,840 draw them out with an up with an up talk. demonetization Yeah, 189 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,680 you will hold your hand do this. So this I do not believe is 190 00:11:49,680 --> 00:11:52,950 true. I do not know either. I don't think the monetization 191 00:11:52,950 --> 00:11:55,740 thing is true. There's something big in podcasting. Yeah. But I 192 00:11:55,740 --> 00:11:57,480 don't know about all this. Let's listen again. 193 00:11:57,630 --> 00:12:01,410 Well, we're, we're, we're excited about podcasting, for 194 00:12:01,410 --> 00:12:04,290 sure. But you know that that's a place where there's so many 195 00:12:04,290 --> 00:12:06,840 different companies, but we do you think it's a good 196 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,170 opportunity for pod, people who are producing podcasting to 197 00:12:10,170 --> 00:12:13,770 generate revenue have more distribution, we crossed 50 198 00:12:13,770 --> 00:12:16,380 million subscribers for our YouTube music and premium 199 00:12:16,380 --> 00:12:19,440 service. And so we know that users are paying for the service 200 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,110 and the more we can offer more podcasts there, we think that 201 00:12:22,110 --> 00:12:25,770 will be a really valuable service for our users. So you 202 00:12:25,770 --> 00:12:28,380 know, so we have we have a number of I have many things 203 00:12:28,380 --> 00:12:32,130 that could keep me up at night. And I'm, but I'm also excited 204 00:12:32,130 --> 00:12:36,480 about innovation I and that's really why I ultimately came to 205 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,290 Google and to YouTube was just the ability to continue to 206 00:12:40,290 --> 00:12:45,570 create and use technology to improve our lives. And that's 207 00:12:45,930 --> 00:12:47,070 what, blah, blah, blah, you 208 00:12:48,090 --> 00:12:52,260 know, so she's doing it. She's, they're going to do a reverse 209 00:12:52,290 --> 00:12:55,140 Spotify reach around the sweetest reach around. 210 00:12:55,530 --> 00:12:58,440 Yes, that's exactly you're exactly right. That's exactly 211 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,720 what I thought there's, they're not going to become a podcast 212 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:01,500 hosting company, I 213 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,079 know, they're gonna have some exclusives, they're gonna have a 214 00:13:04,079 --> 00:13:11,069 whole directory. And and instead of video, being a byproduct of 215 00:13:11,069 --> 00:13:14,789 Spotify, audio will be a byproduct of YouTube, which it 216 00:13:14,789 --> 00:13:18,449 already is arguably, and people who use the YouTube app very 217 00:13:18,449 --> 00:13:23,609 often are listening to video shows just with the app with 218 00:13:23,609 --> 00:13:25,349 their with the phone closed. 219 00:13:25,859 --> 00:13:28,769 100% agree. That's exactly exactly my thought. They're 220 00:13:28,769 --> 00:13:32,069 gonna they're gonna leverage Google podcast, the Google 221 00:13:32,069 --> 00:13:36,749 Podcast Directory, yep. Yep, just get in, and then throw some 222 00:13:36,779 --> 00:13:40,289 throw there, standard YouTube, monetization stuff is going to 223 00:13:40,289 --> 00:13:43,499 be on top of it, you'll get a YouTube channel, or something 224 00:13:43,499 --> 00:13:46,289 that you can go claim it and do all this kind of junk. It'll 225 00:13:46,289 --> 00:13:48,569 just be that I mean, it's not gonna they're not gonna get into 226 00:13:48,569 --> 00:13:52,049 the hosting business. I don't know. Because she otherwise like 227 00:13:52,109 --> 00:13:56,279 when she says, we're really excited about podcasts. Like, 228 00:13:56,309 --> 00:13:59,369 that's not she's not excited about podcasts. 229 00:14:01,860 --> 00:14:05,460 Now, they do have, what's there the URL shortener outfit that 230 00:14:05,460 --> 00:14:09,390 they kind of revamped the RSS outfit? There are your Tumblr 231 00:14:09,390 --> 00:14:12,150 feed burner? Yeah. Feedburner they have been doing some work 232 00:14:12,150 --> 00:14:16,200 over there. So maybe maybe they got some some sense is good. All 233 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:21,240 I hope is that we get some some of these YouTube Google people 234 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:26,400 to look at podcasting. 2.0. You take your take your exclusive 235 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,160 shows, and why don't you be a good citizen? How about that? 236 00:14:29,190 --> 00:14:34,080 How about a revolutionary idea? We will help promote people use 237 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,530 your app if you support tags, and if you support value for 238 00:14:37,530 --> 00:14:38,010 value. 239 00:14:39,450 --> 00:14:42,450 And we're making a great mark, first push towards doing that by 240 00:14:42,450 --> 00:14:45,840 making fun of the CEOs name. That's a great Yes, why not get 241 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:45,930 it 242 00:14:45,930 --> 00:14:50,490 now? Do you know Do you know who actually does understand value 243 00:14:50,490 --> 00:14:54,840 for value in podcasting? Specifically lightning value for 244 00:14:54,840 --> 00:15:00,990 value in podcasting? Hit me, Jack Dorsey. Yes, Twitter was 245 00:15:00,990 --> 00:15:04,080 audio. It was a podcast company, which according to James 246 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:10,050 Cridland launched and was real. By the way, James Kirtland did 247 00:15:10,050 --> 00:15:11,820 he did he reply to my post? 248 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,800 Oh, I don't know. He was he's his MA. He may be dead. 249 00:15:16,980 --> 00:15:23,010 No. No, I heard his voice. I heard his voice going. I heard 250 00:15:23,010 --> 00:15:25,560 it going. I'm like, on a couple of shows like, Oh, this guy's 251 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,920 losing his voice. And then I listened to pod news today. And 252 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,640 it's some I know, it was it sounded a bit like a generated 253 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:38,430 voice. Computer generated, definitely Australian. So I 254 00:15:38,430 --> 00:15:44,280 said, Hey, can I You want me to track a couple of days for you? 255 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:45,360 I'd be happy to do that. 256 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,660 That may be afraid to please the reins. No. 257 00:15:48,660 --> 00:15:51,390 I mean, I'll just send him my voice fit file. You can do 258 00:15:51,390 --> 00:15:54,600 whatever he wants. I'm serious about that. There's nothing 259 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:58,890 worse. It's like, you know, it's like if you're a guitar player 260 00:15:58,890 --> 00:16:02,970 and you break your finger. No, yeah, that's, you know, okay. So 261 00:16:02,970 --> 00:16:07,110 now you got it. So his, you know, I mean, look at the man. 262 00:16:07,170 --> 00:16:12,180 His voice is all he's got. Come on, come on, come on. Easy one. 263 00:16:12,180 --> 00:16:17,250 That was an easy one. It was easy. I'm here all week now. So 264 00:16:17,250 --> 00:16:21,750 what I thought that the news of the week was what? And that was 265 00:16:21,750 --> 00:16:25,050 actually, I think it's the beginning of the new media 266 00:16:25,050 --> 00:16:29,070 shell. And I got an email from Rob Greenlee. I don't get emails 267 00:16:29,070 --> 00:16:31,680 from Rob Greenlee very often. Did you get an email from Rob 268 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:32,160 Greenlee? 269 00:16:32,670 --> 00:16:34,290 Now, I've never gotten an email from Rob, do 270 00:16:34,290 --> 00:16:35,460 you feel less special? 271 00:16:38,100 --> 00:16:39,360 Yes. Okay. 272 00:16:40,620 --> 00:16:43,650 But it was interesting, because this is a question you can 273 00:16:43,650 --> 00:16:47,100 answer. And so you have not seen this. We have had no previous 274 00:16:47,100 --> 00:16:48,930 conversation. Can you affirm that? 275 00:16:49,860 --> 00:16:53,820 It is been this emails been in a hermetically sealed Mr. Manager 276 00:16:53,820 --> 00:16:56,190 for a week that nobody's seen it. 277 00:16:56,460 --> 00:17:01,560 It literally came in today. And you're the only man who can 278 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:05,760 really answer this. And so it's good. Because there was a lot of 279 00:17:06,150 --> 00:17:11,430 talk about it. Podcasting 2.0 Here we go. A subject podcast 280 00:17:11,430 --> 00:17:14,520 index directory size, question mark duplications, question 281 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,730 mark. Hey, Adam, I'm hearing that your directory of podcasts 282 00:17:17,820 --> 00:17:21,960 at the podcast index. Okay. I wonder if he must have sent this 283 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:26,760 too. It almost feels like a form letter now. Your directory? It's 284 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,400 not my directory of podcast, okay. It doesn't matter. It just 285 00:17:29,430 --> 00:17:32,070 Do you know what I mean? Doesn't doesn't sound like a personal 286 00:17:32,070 --> 00:17:34,560 note. So you may be sending it to more people just right that 287 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:39,180 way. So it's possible. I'm here. I am hearing that your directory 288 00:17:39,180 --> 00:17:42,960 of podcasts the podcast index has a lot of duplications, as 289 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,800 many are comparing it to the 2 million shows Apple lists and 290 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:50,700 your 4.4 million shows. Can you share what might be going on 291 00:17:50,700 --> 00:17:53,940 here? I'm trying to represent accurate total numbers to the 292 00:17:53,940 --> 00:17:56,520 industry and trying to understand this massive 293 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:00,450 difference. Thanks, Rob Greenlee. So let me take a stab 294 00:18:00,450 --> 00:18:07,410 at a few things. And then I want the pod stage to blow the sacred 295 00:18:07,410 --> 00:18:13,470 smoke and explain it to us. Alright, so first of all, not 296 00:18:13,470 --> 00:18:16,560 all you'd be very surprised to learn not all podcasts are 297 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:22,650 submitted to Apple. In fact, we have the Swedish trickler. And 298 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:27,750 we have our eye Dave will tell us in a moment, how many feeds 299 00:18:27,750 --> 00:18:30,510 he's found that have never been submitted to Apple 300 00:18:36,420 --> 00:18:41,910 the supposition that the that there are 2 million dead anchor 301 00:18:41,910 --> 00:18:46,800 feeds. And this is of course, the main problem. I don't think 302 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:51,090 it's 2 million and I would like to come to an understanding on 303 00:18:51,090 --> 00:18:56,070 the terminology of dead just because a feed has not updated 304 00:18:56,070 --> 00:19:00,480 doesn't mean that it's not a useful podcast, that it's that 305 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,380 it doesn't have function or that it doesn't have value. Not every 306 00:19:04,380 --> 00:19:10,230 feed has to be a show. So if it's a musician who has a you 307 00:19:10,230 --> 00:19:15,060 know, does a value for value 10 part series of how to finger 308 00:19:15,060 --> 00:19:19,950 pick the guitar that doesn't mean that that's a dead show. So 309 00:19:19,950 --> 00:19:24,930 I that bothers me enormously that that is that RSS is looked 310 00:19:24,930 --> 00:19:31,350 at that way. So now, after me spouting we can listen to the 311 00:19:31,350 --> 00:19:33,630 pod stage tell us exactly what's going on. 312 00:19:35,100 --> 00:19:36,330 So the question is, 313 00:19:36,900 --> 00:19:39,210 can I accompany do you need someone accompaniment? 314 00:19:39,900 --> 00:19:45,540 You can come alongside me and give me emotional support. Okay, 315 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,660 the pod stage has his own sound you see when he speaks 316 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:49,530 yet? 317 00:19:50,190 --> 00:19:50,520 It's 318 00:19:51,870 --> 00:19:58,800 completely cannot concentrate we do. I understand. You need to 319 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,740 throw the word Before before we started the show, you had 320 00:20:01,740 --> 00:20:05,670 distortion on there, and you're reprising Jimmy and she's stuck 321 00:20:05,670 --> 00:20:13,710 with a banner. Okay, I'm looking at the most current stats. And 322 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:20,010 if I understand the question correctly, what's what's being 323 00:20:20,010 --> 00:20:29,010 asked is, is the number the 4.6 million number crazy inflated 324 00:20:29,010 --> 00:20:31,260 because of duplicate podcasts, 325 00:20:31,650 --> 00:20:36,840 duplicate podcasts and dead podcasts. And specifically, 326 00:20:37,110 --> 00:20:43,380 anchor is a junkyard graveyard, etc. And none of those podcasts 327 00:20:43,380 --> 00:20:46,590 that have not been updated have value. I take exception to that. 328 00:20:48,360 --> 00:20:50,820 Because I think there's a lot of people who want to have a feed 329 00:20:50,820 --> 00:20:53,490 for something and might as well just have it over there for free 330 00:20:53,490 --> 00:20:58,950 in perpetuity and not have to pay, you know, 1015 20 $40 a 331 00:20:58,950 --> 00:21:00,390 month to keep that going. 332 00:21:01,770 --> 00:21:04,770 Because I did not know this question was coming, I can't 333 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:10,500 give you really accurate breakdowns of this, like I could 334 00:21:10,500 --> 00:21:12,570 if I if I had done some research, but I can give you 335 00:21:12,570 --> 00:21:21,720 some some top level stuff. So anchor currently has 1,967,275 336 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:27,660 podcasts in the directory. And I'm sure that's not every one of 337 00:21:27,660 --> 00:21:33,150 them. But I feel like we are really close. Like, I don't 338 00:21:33,300 --> 00:21:37,680 think that that number that we have in our in podcast index, I 339 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:42,390 don't feel that that number is significantly off from what 340 00:21:42,390 --> 00:21:45,840 anchor actually has. And the reason I say that is because we 341 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,020 know what the algorithm is for anchor podcast feed creation. 342 00:21:49,620 --> 00:21:55,680 The algorithm is the URL follows a hex index. It's a hexadecimal, 343 00:21:56,430 --> 00:22:01,110 ID that increments by 100 each time. So once you know the 344 00:22:01,110 --> 00:22:03,420 algorithm, you can just run through there and just find them 345 00:22:03,420 --> 00:22:06,150 all. And you can track them and pick up new ones as they're 346 00:22:06,150 --> 00:22:06,450 added. 347 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,320 That is so sexy. Dave Jones what you just said there. If I say 348 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,450 that again, slower. That is that is. 349 00:22:14,340 --> 00:22:18,540 That's courtesy of Chris for ice hockey guy. That guy. Yeah, the 350 00:22:18,540 --> 00:22:19,320 Swedish Strickler. 351 00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:23,340 Yeah, speaking, whisper that quietly, my ear Swedish 352 00:22:23,340 --> 00:22:23,940 trickler. 353 00:22:26,070 --> 00:22:35,550 So we show 1,967,275 anchor podcast. So if you were to break 354 00:22:35,550 --> 00:22:40,320 that number down and say, how much of the podcast index does 355 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:45,990 that represent? It's what is this? 40 something percent? Boy. 356 00:22:46,890 --> 00:22:51,150 Yeah, yeah. Something like that. Yeah. 4.4. Yeah. In the in the 357 00:22:51,150 --> 00:22:52,350 40s, mid 40s. 358 00:22:53,100 --> 00:22:57,150 Okay, so if that's the case, then you say, Oh, how many of 359 00:22:57,150 --> 00:23:01,470 those are active or dead? Or whatever he wants to know, are 360 00:23:01,470 --> 00:23:05,010 there dead podcasts? And by dead I mean, truly dead. Like some 361 00:23:05,010 --> 00:23:10,650 guy just went on there and hid and typed in the podcast and 362 00:23:10,770 --> 00:23:13,530 recorded three seconds of audio and is never touched it again in 363 00:23:13,530 --> 00:23:19,980 seven years. Yes, there's lots of that on there. What we, I go 364 00:23:19,980 --> 00:23:23,580 through and clean up a lot of that stuff. I don't get it all. 365 00:23:23,910 --> 00:23:28,260 But I do clean up a lot of that stuff. So this number, like 366 00:23:28,260 --> 00:23:30,930 the false starts and the empty stuff. And when you listen to 367 00:23:30,930 --> 00:23:33,900 the content when you when you're quote, cleaning it up? You 368 00:23:33,900 --> 00:23:35,070 weren't barbarian. 369 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,990 And what I usually do is, I have a few scripts that I can run 370 00:23:39,990 --> 00:23:46,830 that dump a lot of output that show this feed as not been 371 00:23:46,830 --> 00:23:51,990 updated in, let's say 18 months, and it only has one episode. 372 00:23:52,020 --> 00:23:56,670 Okay, so I'm going to stop you right there. Okay. This is the 373 00:23:56,670 --> 00:24:00,960 last time we're going to do this. After this, we're going to 374 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:05,310 publish this as a newsletter, 375 00:24:05,970 --> 00:24:09,240 a newsletter also on our new substack it can 376 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:14,130 be a subset Yeah. substack Daigo this analysis is very valuable. 377 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:18,450 And I think it should be helping to fund podcast index and I 378 00:24:18,450 --> 00:24:22,440 think we should just just go old schools for old school people 379 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,050 because they need this for advertising purposes. So let's 380 00:24:25,050 --> 00:24:28,050 charge them in fee out fun coupons over on substack This is 381 00:24:28,050 --> 00:24:32,610 good, Dave, that algorithm incremental stuff, I can sell 382 00:24:32,610 --> 00:24:35,190 that 100 times over to Fortune 500 companies. 383 00:24:38,190 --> 00:24:45,300 So that's that. It we we do a lot of deduplication. scripts 384 00:24:45,300 --> 00:24:49,170 running 24/7 They're just running all the time. As things 385 00:24:49,170 --> 00:24:54,060 are added. There. They are going through and seeing if trying as 386 00:24:54,060 --> 00:24:58,800 best they can to figure out if there are duplicates and marking 387 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,340 the ones that are duplicate as dead, so if they get marked as 388 00:25:02,340 --> 00:25:05,340 dead, they no longer show when they're 389 00:25:05,340 --> 00:25:10,530 dead to the pod stage, that thing's dead. That thing is 390 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,830 buried, that thing is incinerated. It's just, 391 00:25:14,100 --> 00:25:15,030 oh, is a headstone, 392 00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:19,200 a headstone Reidar. So that 393 00:25:19,230 --> 00:25:28,380 that number of that 1,967,275 is a liberal number that represents 394 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,790 a fairly accurate representation. And I would say, 395 00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:39,690 a fair representation of anchor podcasts that we have determined 396 00:25:39,690 --> 00:25:43,620 to have some sort of value. Yeah, and I mean, very liberal 397 00:25:43,620 --> 00:25:46,860 with that. So here's what here's, here's, here's my 398 00:25:46,860 --> 00:25:51,300 theory, okay? If you just threw up a test thing, just shitting 399 00:25:51,300 --> 00:25:56,070 around. That's not valuable. And, and I'll get rid of that, 400 00:25:56,190 --> 00:26:02,370 you know, but if you put up three episodes, nine years ago, 401 00:26:03,810 --> 00:26:07,530 and you actually put some effort into it. And these are three 402 00:26:07,530 --> 00:26:12,240 episodes of this podcast that that you were trying to me, 403 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:16,410 you're actually working to get a try to figure out if you wanted 404 00:26:16,410 --> 00:26:20,160 to do podcasting and stuff like that. To me, that's who am I to 405 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,910 say that that's not valuable? Thank you. So there may be, 406 00:26:24,330 --> 00:26:27,750 let's just say, 20% of anchor faith that are that way, I don't 407 00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:28,680 know what the number is, 408 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,370 let's just be clear. The reason why is, quote unquote, not 409 00:26:32,370 --> 00:26:35,790 valuable is because it is viewed through the lens of an 410 00:26:35,790 --> 00:26:40,110 advertising perspective. It's not valuable if it's not 411 00:26:40,140 --> 00:26:44,130 updated. If it's not frequent, you know, it's unpredictable. 412 00:26:44,490 --> 00:26:51,870 Unless it's quote, unquote, Evergreen. Evergreen. I sound 413 00:26:51,870 --> 00:26:55,290 like George Carlin evergreen, I just don't have a punch line. 414 00:26:55,980 --> 00:27:02,040 Yes, it just goes nowhere. Exactly. So that the anchor 415 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:07,050 stuff is clearly the biggest mover here so they can move the 416 00:27:07,050 --> 00:27:10,800 needle. They move the needle on how many total podcasts we have, 417 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,290 more than anybody else does. How 418 00:27:13,290 --> 00:27:16,020 many do they do you have a ratio that they add? 419 00:27:17,550 --> 00:27:22,380 It's a lot. They they're constantly adding. Now, that has 420 00:27:22,380 --> 00:27:25,620 slowed down a little bit. And I've been and I think everybody 421 00:27:25,620 --> 00:27:28,440 has noticed it. Chris ricing said the other day that, you 422 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,330 know, the rate of additions, gains 423 00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:32,310 rate data for the newsletter. 424 00:27:32,970 --> 00:27:36,810 Well, somebody posted, where's that sheet? I've got so many 425 00:27:36,810 --> 00:27:37,410 posts, maybe 426 00:27:37,410 --> 00:27:40,200 I can get Tina to do run corrections on it. If you just 427 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,380 write it. Oh, my God, this would be such so huge. The industry 428 00:27:43,380 --> 00:27:46,620 would would go crazy over this all the way down to the bottom? 429 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,130 Well, you know, and the thing is, I'm not sure why nobody else 430 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,090 does. No one has no one has this data. No one has to see no one 431 00:27:54,090 --> 00:27:55,020 has this crew. 432 00:27:55,890 --> 00:27:59,730 They do we let people download our database for free? Oh, no, 433 00:27:59,730 --> 00:28:02,850 that would require work. No, no, no. Can I just get an app that 434 00:28:02,850 --> 00:28:04,140 just tells me the answer. 435 00:28:04,980 --> 00:28:10,410 Okay, so now, the podcast host. And the Twitter handle is at the 436 00:28:10,410 --> 00:28:16,980 podcast host. I'm not sure who this is. But this person posted, 437 00:28:17,910 --> 00:28:21,000 the percent of active podcasts are dropping drastically. 438 00:28:21,330 --> 00:28:27,660 December of 2020 59% of podcasts were actually considered active. 439 00:28:28,140 --> 00:28:32,610 More in March that was 37%. In June, it was 34% in December is 440 00:28:32,610 --> 00:28:37,320 23%. This person's conclusion is less than one in four podcast on 441 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:44,190 Apple published an episode last 90 days. So 442 00:28:44,490 --> 00:28:47,880 that's about the same number we have, isn't it? Same percentage, 443 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,630 same percentage? Probably not 25%. We've bought a little under 444 00:28:51,630 --> 00:28:56,280 half a million, so it's less 20 23%. Am I saying that right? 445 00:28:56,430 --> 00:28:57,090 Yeah, I think so. 446 00:28:57,660 --> 00:29:03,750 And what I've noticed is that no matter how many we add, that 90 447 00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:08,490 day number, those numbers don't change much. So you've got a 448 00:29:08,490 --> 00:29:14,490 core of let's just say 20% 20 to 25% of podcasts that are 449 00:29:14,490 --> 00:29:18,600 publishing on a consistent basis. And then you have a sort 450 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,990 of all this noise that goes on around it of all these other 451 00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:27,840 podcasts coming and going. That that just they're just kind of 452 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,960 noise they're there. They're not sustainable. They're not 453 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:35,040 sustaining anything. So got to go back to the numbers. The 454 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,760 numbers for saying we got anchor. There they 1.9 6 455 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:46,440 million. You got Spreaker is number two at 956,429 iboxx 456 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,950 282,000 Buzzsprout 152,010. Those 457 00:29:49,950 --> 00:29:55,860 guys have grown by 50% since we started this, SoundCloud podcast 458 00:29:55,890 --> 00:29:57,480 2.0 does for you people. 459 00:29:58,020 --> 00:30:03,570 Again, pod bean 85 1000 lips and 77,000 it keeps going. So the 460 00:30:04,140 --> 00:30:12,630 those those number that 4.6 million. I feel like that is a I 461 00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:16,020 feel like that's a good number as representative as you can 462 00:30:16,020 --> 00:30:20,910 get, without having a team of people come through and start 463 00:30:20,910 --> 00:30:22,890 beginning to make editorial decisions. 464 00:30:23,220 --> 00:30:28,020 And I think that's, that's why this is so valuable. And Excuse 465 00:30:28,020 --> 00:30:30,180 me, ladies and gentlemen, if you're listening to this right 466 00:30:30,180 --> 00:30:33,150 now and you're in numbers, you're in the numbers game and a 467 00:30:33,150 --> 00:30:37,710 lot of you are I will boost that's you. This is 100,000 Sat, 468 00:30:37,980 --> 00:30:43,290 piece of information. That's what I expect you to boost. This 469 00:30:43,290 --> 00:30:47,040 is 50 bucks. This is a monthly $50 newsletter, this stuff, 470 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:48,240 right and we're not even done yet. 471 00:30:49,710 --> 00:31:01,650 Now, I can look at listen notes. When Ben, he lists 2.7 2,737,350 472 00:31:01,650 --> 00:31:08,400 podcasts. And I know that he is extremely strict about what he 473 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,870 includes in in his database. I think most of it comes from 474 00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:16,380 Apple and from submissions. He doesn't, to my knowledge do any 475 00:31:16,380 --> 00:31:19,740 scraping like we do. There's a lot of things that he doesn't 476 00:31:19,740 --> 00:31:20,430 find. 477 00:31:20,580 --> 00:31:21,600 Where are we scraping? 478 00:31:21,630 --> 00:31:24,660 Are we still scraping stuff? Which great yeah, that's what 479 00:31:24,690 --> 00:31:26,880 Christopher Crisler does, right. He's 480 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,590 a human scraper. Yeah, 481 00:31:28,650 --> 00:31:34,140 exactly. So he, for instance, the other day, he found about 482 00:31:34,140 --> 00:31:39,810 6000 podcasts on a was that on a French radio station, 483 00:31:39,870 --> 00:31:42,660 what I meant was, we're not scraping like apple with every 484 00:31:42,660 --> 00:31:44,940 submission that goes, no, no, no, we 485 00:31:44,940 --> 00:31:47,460 don't scrape apple. No. This is web scraping. Yeah. Which 486 00:31:47,490 --> 00:31:51,480 this is now this is discovery. spidering. This is what the No, 487 00:31:51,660 --> 00:31:55,740 no, no, I do not like that term. This is discovery. This is this 488 00:31:55,740 --> 00:32:00,360 is he is a he's like he's discovering the the Antarctic. 489 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,900 He is the the Admiral Byrd of RSS feeds. 490 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:09,150 This? Yeah. What did they call those guys like, that would fly 491 00:32:09,210 --> 00:32:14,250 to South America in a in a in a Hinden? You know, in bird 492 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:15,630 crispy, crispy. 493 00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:28,350 Okay. So he lists, he lists 2,737,000. But that he taken you 494 00:32:28,350 --> 00:32:31,050 take an instance, like what I mentioned, where you have 6000 495 00:32:31,050 --> 00:32:34,260 feets coming off of fringe radio station, he's not going to get 496 00:32:34,260 --> 00:32:41,340 those. Because those were, those are RSS feeds of radio shows 497 00:32:41,850 --> 00:32:44,520 that were net that are never going to be submitted to Apple 498 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:49,020 podcast. Yeah. And, and one of the things he figured out, or 499 00:32:49,020 --> 00:32:53,370 excuse me, John Spurlock found out was that their CMS system 500 00:32:53,370 --> 00:32:56,670 had a problem where it didn't matter, it would never report a 501 00:32:56,670 --> 00:32:59,730 404. If you search for a feed that didn't exist, it would just 502 00:32:59,730 --> 00:33:05,220 keep giving you a a made up feed. And so six out of those 503 00:33:05,220 --> 00:33:08,460 6000, only 100 of the feeds were actually legit, and the other 504 00:33:08,460 --> 00:33:14,490 595,900 were were bogus. Were duplicate feeds. 505 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:19,200 Can I change change my mind? Sure. I think we this, we just 506 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,080 need to have more of this on our stats page. And then we just put 507 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,450 a big ass QR code there and value for 508 00:33:24,450 --> 00:33:27,450 value. With a with a lightning invoice. 509 00:33:27,510 --> 00:33:31,200 What with both do on chain to Yeah, I mean, this is so 510 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,260 valuable. This is so good. This is I love that you're doing 511 00:33:34,260 --> 00:33:35,250 this. Okay, sorry. 512 00:33:35,670 --> 00:33:41,880 That's right. And then. So we found that by using what's in in 513 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,850 its in the downloadable database, as of today as a value 514 00:33:44,850 --> 00:33:49,920 in there called the C hash. And C hash is our attempt to and 515 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:54,720 it's it's very accurate. Sorry, it's an attempt to come up with 516 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:59,940 a content hash for the feed based on information that is not 517 00:33:59,940 --> 00:34:04,230 likely to be very dynamic. It's very static info. So like owner 518 00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:08,250 email. Yeah, things like that. Yeah. And so we don't include 519 00:34:08,250 --> 00:34:10,950 description or any of that just was a lot that's changing 520 00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:16,920 dynamic. The sea hash value on all the 5900 of those radio is 521 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,890 French radio podcasts were the same, we were able to go through 522 00:34:19,890 --> 00:34:24,600 there and immediately wipe them or mark them is dead. Wow. So 523 00:34:24,720 --> 00:34:27,990 that is the way that we constantly are cleaning up. So I 524 00:34:27,990 --> 00:34:30,960 would say that out of 4,000,006. 525 00:34:31,140 --> 00:34:33,570 Wait a minute. So let me just understand, let me play that 526 00:34:33,570 --> 00:34:36,570 back to you. So this is a D duping mechanism that you have 527 00:34:36,570 --> 00:34:40,620 the C hash is a D duping mechanism. Yes, it's oh my god 528 00:34:40,620 --> 00:34:48,420 that is. So you, uh, you know what? This again proves that AI 529 00:34:48,420 --> 00:34:55,050 is bullshit. We've got all kinds of so called AI guys. We've had 530 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,710 oh, we're gonna do this and I'll input that and we'll get all the 531 00:34:58,710 --> 00:35:00,930 D dupes out Ricketts 532 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,830 I don't know how anybody else does it. I'm sure they use 533 00:35:04,830 --> 00:35:07,860 machine learning or something, you know, and no apparently no 534 00:35:07,860 --> 00:35:11,250 one no one. Here's an open database. Everyone's hungry for 535 00:35:11,250 --> 00:35:15,660 data. Here's a business sitting right here. And we it's comics 536 00:35:15,660 --> 00:35:18,900 or Blogger, I'm looking at you. These Oh, well, I'm machine 537 00:35:18,900 --> 00:35:23,550 learning AI bah, bah, bah blah. Now this is this is classy. 538 00:35:23,730 --> 00:35:27,420 Sorry. I'll shut up now. So good. I'm trying to make I'm 539 00:35:27,420 --> 00:35:29,370 trying to make technology interesting to everybody. 540 00:35:30,450 --> 00:35:36,660 Yes, thank you. was extremely boring. Yeah. So that's what the 541 00:35:36,660 --> 00:35:38,880 DDL scripts, they run through there and they want to they 542 00:35:38,910 --> 00:35:42,510 they'll do things like, find everything's got a matching C 543 00:35:42,510 --> 00:35:47,220 hash, and begin to go through some testing to say, okay, out 544 00:35:47,220 --> 00:35:52,650 of there's three of these things that have a matching C hash. Do 545 00:35:52,650 --> 00:35:58,350 they? or do any of these have an iTunes ID? If one of them does, 546 00:35:58,380 --> 00:36:01,350 and the other two doesn't, it'll mark the two that doesn't as 547 00:36:01,350 --> 00:36:02,040 duplicates. 548 00:36:02,100 --> 00:36:04,920 This is where we this is where Marco's contribution comes in. 549 00:36:05,399 --> 00:36:11,189 Next. Bingo. This is so cool. Because he's syncing his he's 550 00:36:11,189 --> 00:36:14,789 syncing our two databases, to make sure he's sinking his 551 00:36:14,789 --> 00:36:18,719 database to ours to make sure that we have all of the apple 552 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,349 side of the information for anything that we have. So that 553 00:36:22,349 --> 00:36:23,699 our information is accurate. 554 00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:27,240 It's so formidable. Yeah. So that. 555 00:36:28,410 --> 00:36:34,200 So I guess bottom line is, I think I feel very confident 556 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,970 saying something like this. out of 4.6 million podcasts in the 557 00:36:38,970 --> 00:36:46,440 index. There are I think less, I would think less than 50,000 558 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:52,980 True duplicate feeds. And that means that they're their actual 559 00:36:52,980 --> 00:36:57,780 two copies of the same feed with a different URL or 1%. Yeah, and 560 00:36:57,810 --> 00:37:04,980 of those feeds, I think of those duplicates. I don't think that 561 00:37:04,980 --> 00:37:10,470 they are any thing that was statistically throw things way 562 00:37:10,500 --> 00:37:14,550 off. I don't think that there. What would you call it like a 563 00:37:16,590 --> 00:37:21,960 significant, like, statistically significant? And because just 564 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,530 based on what I've just based on what I've seen, like, we we have 565 00:37:25,530 --> 00:37:28,530 a lot of apps using the index now. And for a while there, we 566 00:37:28,530 --> 00:37:31,680 were getting a lot of reports of duplicate stuff. That's that's 567 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,550 slow down, right? Yes, slowed down a lot. Once we've got the D 568 00:37:35,550 --> 00:37:37,560 dupe scripts and that kind of thing. I still have to manually 569 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:43,740 do some sometimes. But the I don't I'm not sure who, when he 570 00:37:43,740 --> 00:37:47,040 says, I'm hearing that there's a lot of duplicates. What if you 571 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,380 just download the database and search for like, duplicate 572 00:37:49,380 --> 00:37:53,550 titles and stuff? Well, yeah, I mean, you're gonna see, there's, 573 00:37:54,060 --> 00:37:58,020 you know, 700 podcasts that have the word introduction in the 574 00:37:58,020 --> 00:37:59,400 title. That's because, 575 00:37:59,459 --> 00:38:02,819 again, I'm just gonna have to interrupt again, that's why this 576 00:38:02,819 --> 00:38:05,519 is valuable, because it's a pain in the ass people have just 577 00:38:05,519 --> 00:38:06,899 figured that out. 578 00:38:07,830 --> 00:38:16,350 Right? Yeah. So that boost in. So if you if you just, if you do 579 00:38:16,350 --> 00:38:20,400 that, then just search for basic, like, you know, title 580 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,830 collisions and things like that. Yeah, you're gonna find a lot of 581 00:38:22,830 --> 00:38:25,470 stuff. But those aren't necessarily the same podcast. 582 00:38:26,070 --> 00:38:31,200 And, like, the word introduction is in, I don't know, let's say 583 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,520 six 700 podcasts? Well, that's because that's, those are all 584 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:40,980 coming off of Librivox. And a lot of podcasts have that 585 00:38:41,010 --> 00:38:43,470 they've mistake they've, they're putting their data in wrong. 586 00:38:44,070 --> 00:38:48,360 Labeling the podcast, instead of having one episode per chapter, 587 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:53,670 they have one podcast per chapter some great, yes, it's 588 00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:55,770 just a lot. And there's a lot of stuff called where the title of 589 00:38:55,770 --> 00:38:58,530 the podcast is podcast. You know, it's just things like 590 00:38:58,530 --> 00:39:01,860 that. I mean, whenever you start getting all this kind of cruft 591 00:39:01,860 --> 00:39:03,690 off the internet, you're gonna end up with a lot of things like 592 00:39:03,690 --> 00:39:06,630 that. But as far as things that are statistically significant, 593 00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:11,520 like having, you know, three different versions of the Dan 594 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,900 bond Geno show, yeah, I don't think that that's the case at 595 00:39:15,900 --> 00:39:16,230 all. 596 00:39:16,740 --> 00:39:20,220 Wow, that's really cool. Dave. That is, I mean, I was just 597 00:39:20,220 --> 00:39:23,640 planning on answering. Do Dave says it's cool. So shut up 598 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,200 already. No, instead. 599 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,540 But but you know, do you take that number and say, there are 600 00:39:30,540 --> 00:39:35,700 4.6 million podcasts in the world? Right, then you then 601 00:39:35,700 --> 00:39:39,750 you're editorializing, and I don't know how you the technical 602 00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:41,580 answer is is yes. 603 00:39:41,850 --> 00:39:50,700 How about 4.6 million feeds of some value Hmm No, I know it's 604 00:39:50,700 --> 00:39:53,340 not it's not it's not very snappy from the marketing 605 00:39:53,340 --> 00:39:55,380 department is rejecting I understand. 606 00:39:56,039 --> 00:40:02,249 It's so Indian. If you look at that, no and say, Okay, well 607 00:40:02,519 --> 00:40:05,999 600,000 of these podcasts updated, you know, within 90 608 00:40:05,999 --> 00:40:11,789 days, every 90 days. Well, but then you're leaving out just 609 00:40:11,939 --> 00:40:16,169 solid shows like cereal and stuff like, that doesn't show up 610 00:40:16,169 --> 00:40:21,599 in the number. So I don't really know how to answer that from an 611 00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:24,179 editorial standpoint, all I know is like, from a technical 612 00:40:24,179 --> 00:40:29,309 standpoint, I feel like our numbers are good. And I love it. 613 00:40:29,369 --> 00:40:29,489 I 614 00:40:29,490 --> 00:40:33,990 love it. Yeah. Now, the podcasts that are missing was another 615 00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:38,940 story, which James again, James Corden, and I like this, about 616 00:40:38,940 --> 00:40:42,480 all these Spotify deals that have been announced with 617 00:40:42,510 --> 00:40:46,410 celebrities and with you know, podcasts, and you know, very few 618 00:40:46,410 --> 00:40:49,260 have actually produced anything that looks like an exclusive on 619 00:40:49,260 --> 00:40:56,250 Spotify. And these two topics combined, I just want to say, 620 00:40:57,030 --> 00:41:01,290 the Spotify, it's a mirage. The whole thing is a mirage, the 621 00:41:01,290 --> 00:41:05,430 whole success of pod now, do people listen to the podcast on 622 00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:10,530 Spotify? Absolutely. But you know, now I see this is this is 623 00:41:10,530 --> 00:41:13,470 not a new way to do it. If you're a public company, do lots 624 00:41:13,470 --> 00:41:16,410 of press releases, get your stock price up, that becomes the 625 00:41:16,410 --> 00:41:20,220 story. Yeah, and they do have some legit popular content on 626 00:41:20,220 --> 00:41:29,610 there. That that is quote unquote. Exclusive. But the, you 627 00:41:29,610 --> 00:41:33,000 know, this is all well YouTube is going to do is going to be 628 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,750 the exact same thing. And I think putting it all together 629 00:41:36,750 --> 00:41:41,790 now with her talking about the regulation first. And then 630 00:41:41,790 --> 00:41:46,470 podcasting. I think that there may be some, you know, there's a 631 00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:52,110 big push from liberal media to find ways to censor podcasting. 632 00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:56,820 And the way they're going to do it. It's the woke police are 633 00:41:56,820 --> 00:41:58,470 coming for your advertisers. 634 00:41:59,790 --> 00:42:02,670 This always that's always the technique. Yeah, right. But 635 00:42:02,670 --> 00:42:07,590 I need to remind everybody that it's what will fail is any type 636 00:42:07,620 --> 00:42:15,360 of moderation you know, removing stuff that is not not proper, or 637 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,990 whatever did that that will fail that will fail time and time and 638 00:42:18,990 --> 00:42:22,830 time again, for the same reason. We don't know what's in those 4 639 00:42:22,830 --> 00:42:26,610 million podcasts, we just don't know. So you can't really 640 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,450 advertise in a brand safe manner against that. And it works both 641 00:42:30,450 --> 00:42:32,670 ways. Many podcasts are like, Hey, I don't want that 642 00:42:32,670 --> 00:42:36,960 advertiser advertising on my podcast. So but that But bottom 643 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,380 line, they're coming they're woke police are coming they so 644 00:42:40,410 --> 00:42:44,430 you know, we have to starve them out. That's always that's always 645 00:42:44,430 --> 00:42:45,480 the way it goes. 646 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,110 We didn't talk about the Twitter thing. Jack Dorsey stepping That 647 00:42:49,110 --> 00:42:49,710 was funny. 648 00:42:49,710 --> 00:42:52,560 You say that next time? We did talk about him stepping down but 649 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,710 more exciting is the the lightning development kit, I 650 00:42:55,710 --> 00:42:58,650 think. I mean, you've had a chance to take a look at it. 651 00:42:58,650 --> 00:43:02,220 This is from his company spiral, which I think is unfortunate 652 00:43:02,220 --> 00:43:06,180 logo. It looks like one of those. You know, one of those? 653 00:43:06,810 --> 00:43:11,160 Comet pizza logos? Yeah, like that very much. 654 00:43:12,210 --> 00:43:16,290 Yeah, no, it was this is a this is a really cool product. Very 655 00:43:16,350 --> 00:43:17,430 fair. Very. 656 00:43:17,820 --> 00:43:22,140 And Roy had told me about this. A while ago, I think we were 657 00:43:22,140 --> 00:43:25,830 mentioned it in my backward way of trying to translate what I 658 00:43:25,830 --> 00:43:30,900 heard because this is where you can just use little pieces of a 659 00:43:30,900 --> 00:43:33,990 full lightning node that you need and their magic does the 660 00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:35,100 rest on the back end. 661 00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:41,040 Yeah, it's best I can tell this is like a very confusing PR 662 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:42,060 video, by the way. 663 00:43:42,450 --> 00:43:48,330 Totally. Totally crap, Jack. Jack, no, just no. No was that 664 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:52,380 that was wrong. It was all totally wrong. I love the hole 665 00:43:52,410 --> 00:43:55,170 in the guy with the head and the robot. No, 666 00:43:55,470 --> 00:43:58,320 I feel like they were gaslighting themselves or 667 00:43:58,320 --> 00:43:59,220 something. Well, 668 00:44:00,030 --> 00:44:02,910 the gas was something. So 669 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,590 what the lightning development kit looks like is a 670 00:44:08,070 --> 00:44:14,490 deconstructed version of of a node. So you've got the channel, 671 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,780 the channel code, channel maintenance code, then you've 672 00:44:18,780 --> 00:44:23,280 got the database interface code, and you've got all these all 673 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,980 these different things that a node does. They've split it up 674 00:44:25,980 --> 00:44:31,170 into various components, and you access it through an API. Well, 675 00:44:31,170 --> 00:44:33,810 notes I mean, it's a library so that you would use to build 676 00:44:34,050 --> 00:44:40,620 below node with so that you if Summit. A good example would be 677 00:44:40,620 --> 00:44:45,420 if somebody wanted to take build a node, but they really wanted 678 00:44:45,420 --> 00:44:49,920 instead of using the built in like database to lnd uses if 679 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:55,410 they really really wanted to attach something like a elastic 680 00:44:56,850 --> 00:45:00,810 database to mcpp not less Mongo or something. They want to put 681 00:45:00,810 --> 00:45:04,050 some custom database on the back end of it, they can do it. 682 00:45:05,370 --> 00:45:09,300 So a different example. So here. So what I understand is it 683 00:45:09,300 --> 00:45:15,420 really doesn't solve problems that we have ie in this will not 684 00:45:15,420 --> 00:45:19,530 solve an always on node in your on you're on your phone. 685 00:45:20,940 --> 00:45:23,460 No, it would. It's not out of the box now, 686 00:45:23,550 --> 00:45:26,760 because you still have to have a Electrum server or something to 687 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:31,290 talk to that has a watchtower or something on it in mind. 688 00:45:31,740 --> 00:45:34,710 Yeah, instead, well, what you would do is instead of like 689 00:45:34,740 --> 00:45:40,560 porting lnd over to mobile app like breeze did yeah, you would 690 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:45,270 be take this SDK, and then just build the pieces of your node 691 00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:46,200 into your app. So 692 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,380 you could do the send part pretty easily. Yeah, and the 693 00:45:49,380 --> 00:45:51,480 channel meant and manner management, we still have to 694 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,440 fund it and manage your channels, or do they have a 695 00:45:55,590 --> 00:45:56,760 piece for that as well? 696 00:45:56,820 --> 00:45:59,760 No, he's still got it? Well, I mean, it's, it's the code for it 697 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,860 is in there. But you it's not automatic. So 698 00:46:01,860 --> 00:46:06,150 exciting, but maybe not. For us. It's a lower level library. 699 00:46:06,570 --> 00:46:12,090 I think if somebody wanted to get in there and build a native 700 00:46:13,350 --> 00:46:18,360 lightning node into their app directly, this is the good, this 701 00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:24,360 is the way to do it. But you're not gonna get this is not an out 702 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,260 of the box solution for just sticking a node into your into 703 00:46:28,260 --> 00:46:31,500 your app. This is something you have to be pieces together and 704 00:46:31,500 --> 00:46:32,190 code it up. Did 705 00:46:32,190 --> 00:46:35,280 you have any example code or a use case? 706 00:46:35,790 --> 00:46:38,310 Yeah, they've got some example code in there. And it looks it 707 00:46:38,310 --> 00:46:40,290 looks very easy to use. 708 00:46:41,310 --> 00:46:44,790 And this is only for apps or will it work for a web app and 709 00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:46,560 work for any app? Was it based on or 710 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:47,610 anything? Anything? 711 00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:48,510 What's written in? 712 00:46:48,990 --> 00:46:50,730 agnostic? It's written in rust. 713 00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,780 This damn Rust has taken over our lives. 714 00:46:54,990 --> 00:46:57,300 What's the right thing to do? Because the memory safety you 715 00:46:57,300 --> 00:46:58,710 don't want to have to struggle with all that. 716 00:46:59,220 --> 00:47:02,490 I mean, every morning I'm glad you said that because every 717 00:47:02,490 --> 00:47:05,760 single morning I think, damn memory safety 718 00:47:05,820 --> 00:47:08,010 memory safety. That's what you thought about brushing your 719 00:47:08,010 --> 00:47:08,280 teeth. 720 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,740 Hey, am I seeing young master Mitch kicking ass with POD 721 00:47:13,740 --> 00:47:16,710 verse? Is this guy on fire or what? 722 00:47:17,220 --> 00:47:20,550 When he's doing comments now? Yes, toilets comments 723 00:47:20,580 --> 00:47:23,760 What so but now that he quit his other job? Is he on this full 724 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,920 time now? And they're and they're rocking and rolling? 725 00:47:26,850 --> 00:47:30,450 Now I don't think he quit his other job. But he is he's I 726 00:47:30,450 --> 00:47:31,410 think he's splitting time. 727 00:47:32,130 --> 00:47:34,980 Wow, man, cuz I saw these work on the comments that he's 728 00:47:35,220 --> 00:47:38,220 released. I think he I think he's figured out kind of his his 729 00:47:38,220 --> 00:47:42,270 cycle, his release cycle, how he releases where he releases who's 730 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,570 trying out new versions? I think that's he's he's hit that 731 00:47:45,570 --> 00:47:48,480 stride. He that was new for him, I think. 732 00:47:48,660 --> 00:47:51,240 Yeah, I think they get they found their groove, I think. 733 00:47:52,020 --> 00:47:55,020 Yeah, again, yes. Very cool. And some stuff out. Yeah, look, the 734 00:47:55,020 --> 00:47:58,950 comments stuff. looks, looks really good. I was not expecting 735 00:47:58,950 --> 00:48:01,290 them to be first into the comment thing. And then he 736 00:48:01,290 --> 00:48:02,880 brought that out. I was like, Ooh, that's pretty. 737 00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:06,750 I think, I think Daniel J. Lewis is mad at me. 738 00:48:07,530 --> 00:48:10,050 Why would you do because he did to him. 739 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,640 Because he posted on podcast index dot social. He said, Well, 740 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,130 the website hasn't changed. Where are we with the marketing? 741 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,060 And I went, we're too busy doing the comments you demanded. 742 00:48:22,380 --> 00:48:24,870 Didn't didn't replies and I'm afraid he's mad. 743 00:48:26,010 --> 00:48:32,130 He's, he's out. He's, he's out there supplying stats to the 744 00:48:32,130 --> 00:48:33,390 whole world of podcasting. 745 00:48:33,479 --> 00:48:38,699 Oh, I hope he's listening to this show. Well, that he has, he 746 00:48:38,699 --> 00:48:42,029 has the database he gets valuable the stuff that you can 747 00:48:42,029 --> 00:48:46,679 do though. Now the stuff that the group just can do because of 748 00:48:46,679 --> 00:48:50,609 the knowledge of the group and the expertise of the group. So I 749 00:48:50,669 --> 00:48:52,949 the more I think about I'm really happy we can do that 750 00:48:52,949 --> 00:48:55,739 value for value just need to add add some of that stuff, you 751 00:48:55,739 --> 00:48:58,379 know, as some of the stuff you were talking about. 752 00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,080 Well speaking to Daniel J. Lewis, he should add value for 753 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:09,510 value to his to his stats work. Test a paid product Yes, Daniel 754 00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:13,950 should take Lightning Man. It's right there. 755 00:49:14,850 --> 00:49:18,240 It's so tiring being an evangelist 756 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,410 being being 10 years ahead of the curve all the time a little 757 00:49:22,410 --> 00:49:22,830 sad 758 00:49:22,830 --> 00:49:27,540 about the the comedy album dispute with Spotify. Man what a 759 00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:34,320 what a perfect perfect group to have value for value and now 760 00:49:34,350 --> 00:49:36,810 Yeah, so they all signed up with was one Performing Rights 761 00:49:36,810 --> 00:49:42,180 Organization. I'm going to ask Joe who's running that over 762 00:49:42,180 --> 00:49:43,530 there and I'll do one pitch 763 00:49:44,130 --> 00:49:47,460 is Joe Rogan. Oh Rogan? Oh yeah. The 764 00:49:47,459 --> 00:49:48,629 only comedian I know. 765 00:49:49,980 --> 00:49:53,220 Joe Piscopo stuff taken down I think it did no no, not about 766 00:49:53,220 --> 00:49:57,600 get taken down. No podcast but his stand up. Yeah, I'm sure get 767 00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:58,590 taken off Spotify. 768 00:49:58,620 --> 00:50:02,130 I'm sure he did. Yeah, I think Look, no, I actually I'm not 769 00:50:02,130 --> 00:50:06,540 sure that's why I have to ask them because, okay. It's and 770 00:50:06,540 --> 00:50:09,600 they'll and Spotify will never deal with this, they will have 771 00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:10,590 no part of 772 00:50:10,589 --> 00:50:13,439 it. They'll just leave it off. They won't ever put it back up. 773 00:50:13,979 --> 00:50:17,759 Yeah, they're not gonna You can't go above the established 774 00:50:17,759 --> 00:50:20,099 prices from music, these guys lose their shirt. They're on 775 00:50:20,129 --> 00:50:23,759 their own micro micro slivers of profit as is. 776 00:50:24,389 --> 00:50:27,509 Yeah, and you can't do it. If there's a chance that they may 777 00:50:27,509 --> 00:50:29,639 owe a billion dollars in royalties, and you forget it. 778 00:50:29,639 --> 00:50:30,899 That's that's not coming back. Well, 779 00:50:31,950 --> 00:50:34,860 yeah, not forget even going backwards, just, you know, 780 00:50:34,860 --> 00:50:38,400 moving forwards. And remember, this is a technology company who 781 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,220 really truly believe that it's fucked up. They have to pay 782 00:50:41,250 --> 00:50:44,280 artists in the first place. Remember the CTO? He's like, 783 00:50:44,310 --> 00:50:46,680 look, we're giving you our platform, what's your problem? 784 00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:52,920 You want to be paid more? Stop complaining? Yeah, they and they 785 00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:57,810 do that? Because they want to be like Google, but Google will 786 00:50:57,810 --> 00:50:59,280 take the loss on that stuff. 787 00:51:00,690 --> 00:51:02,910 Yeah, because they don't see that's the thing. That's the 788 00:51:02,910 --> 00:51:06,630 difference between somebody like Google and Spotify. In the US at 789 00:51:06,630 --> 00:51:08,520 Google, I mean, YouTube, because we're talking about at the 790 00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,400 beginning of the show that that YouTube is just going to do a 791 00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:15,510 Spotify, you know, reach around here. And so the Swedish, the 792 00:51:15,510 --> 00:51:19,770 Swedish research round, they're gonna do that. And the 793 00:51:19,770 --> 00:51:23,730 difference there is that Google and this is why I disagree with 794 00:51:23,730 --> 00:51:26,970 Sam Sethi. I do not think that that YouTube will split off will 795 00:51:26,970 --> 00:51:30,480 be split off into its own company. I don't think that's 796 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:35,400 going to happen. No, no. Anything attached to Google has 797 00:51:35,550 --> 00:51:41,880 a has a, you won't, you should never divorce yourself from the 798 00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:47,490 mountain of money. Because when you have this sort of guarantee 799 00:51:47,490 --> 00:51:52,770 mountain of cash, or pot, you know, like, firehose of cash is 800 00:51:52,770 --> 00:51:56,370 being blown in your face all day long. You don't separate 801 00:51:56,370 --> 00:52:00,030 yourself from that, because they can do stuff and not have to 802 00:52:00,030 --> 00:52:03,330 worry about if it's a failure or not, right, Spotify can't do 803 00:52:03,330 --> 00:52:06,420 that. I mean, they have a thin, they're walking the line all the 804 00:52:06,420 --> 00:52:09,450 time, somebody like YouTube, they can they can throw up 805 00:52:09,450 --> 00:52:13,950 podcasting, and if it loses, if it loses a billion dollars, I 806 00:52:13,950 --> 00:52:18,630 mean, that's like, what, a week of a week of revenue. For me. 807 00:52:18,630 --> 00:52:21,030 That's, that's a rounding error for Google. I mean, that's like, 808 00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:25,080 no big deal. So not shoot not a week, that's like less than a 809 00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,600 day of revenue for those revenue. Yeah, not profit, but 810 00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:31,110 revenue. Sure. Yeah. So they're making like, you know, a million 811 00:52:31,110 --> 00:52:35,190 dollars a minute. Spotify is not, they don't have that 812 00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:39,270 luxury, you know, so the YouTube, I think, I think 813 00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:42,150 YouTube if the if they wanted to, if they were serious, and 814 00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:45,060 this is the other problem with this, is once you're hooked up 815 00:52:45,060 --> 00:52:50,640 to the, you know, cash firehose, you tend to not take things as 816 00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,340 seriously as you would if you really needed the money. Yeah, 817 00:52:53,340 --> 00:52:57,180 so who knows if they will, but if they took it seriously, and 818 00:52:57,180 --> 00:53:02,970 wanted to take on Spotify, head to head with YouTube, that's, 819 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,420 that's a thread that that I'm sure they want to do, I, they 820 00:53:06,420 --> 00:53:09,720 would definitely want to take away Spotify, they want Google 821 00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:13,980 music to be to take over Spotify, and you know, Spotify, 822 00:53:14,370 --> 00:53:18,540 now are starting to click in my head, this truly is a mirage, 823 00:53:18,570 --> 00:53:21,840 what these guys have put on, now they haven't made profits, you 824 00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:23,970 know that they're not making money, we all know that this is 825 00:53:23,970 --> 00:53:27,090 a great value play has been for investors based upon press 826 00:53:27,090 --> 00:53:30,990 releases, they have a shitty business model, because whenever 827 00:53:30,990 --> 00:53:33,750 the rights holders decide to raise the prices, you either 828 00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:39,270 negotiate, you know, figured out a way to you know, concede and 829 00:53:39,330 --> 00:53:43,800 and work or you have no business. So, you know, they're 830 00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,520 there, they've been they've been working on this pivot to bring 831 00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:52,740 more value to their paying subscribers who, you know, 832 00:53:52,770 --> 00:53:55,920 obviously are not going to see all the Google has many better 833 00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:00,180 ways to make money on their customers, quote, unquote, 834 00:54:00,180 --> 00:54:04,740 customers, then, Spotify does. And so what you see is the CEO 835 00:54:04,740 --> 00:54:07,650 of Spotify, I think was misconstrued by some podcast 836 00:54:07,650 --> 00:54:12,540 analysts. Who were like, well, we've got $3.8 billion for 837 00:54:12,540 --> 00:54:16,650 acquisitions big swinging, Dick, you know, you don't say that 838 00:54:16,650 --> 00:54:19,140 kind of stuff. Unless you're like shit, man, we're in 839 00:54:19,140 --> 00:54:21,840 trouble. We got to find we got to find something that works for 840 00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,930 us. And it was not just for podcasting, it's for anything 841 00:54:24,930 --> 00:54:27,840 and they're buying audio books and you know, their vision is 842 00:54:27,870 --> 00:54:32,490 audio. But that's really broad man that's hard these days to do 843 00:54:32,490 --> 00:54:37,740 just audio. You know, there's too much I mean, look at we want 844 00:54:37,740 --> 00:54:43,710 to do music can we know that make technically yes, we need an 845 00:54:43,710 --> 00:54:47,730 app that shows music that only shows the media tag will help 846 00:54:47,730 --> 00:54:50,700 with this. I know I'm jumping the gun, but you're going to 847 00:54:50,700 --> 00:54:53,940 need to just separate that stuff is I don't think it all belongs 848 00:54:53,940 --> 00:54:59,370 into one in one jumble. Except actually have to have just as a 849 00:54:59,370 --> 00:55:04,320 side note From time to time I like to dip my toe in the dark 850 00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:08,070 side. And I've done it again. I've done it a 851 00:55:08,070 --> 00:55:14,460 garden side. Yes, this this is probably not the Kara Swisher 852 00:55:14,460 --> 00:55:16,050 show you're talking about some other dark side. 853 00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:20,490 This is another dark side. Yes. As you know I've ever since 854 00:55:20,490 --> 00:55:25,140 Linux Mint. I've, I've really I mean, that's my daily driver. I 855 00:55:25,140 --> 00:55:27,720 love it, I run it on the surface, 856 00:55:27,780 --> 00:55:31,800 you installed Windows 11, didn't you? No, no, no, 857 00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:39,150 no. I have the surface go, which is the first version two. So it 858 00:55:39,150 --> 00:55:42,750 runs beautifully, super fast. And there's something about the 859 00:55:42,750 --> 00:55:47,820 terminal. That is just so come the whole is. And that's that's 860 00:55:47,820 --> 00:55:51,750 the design of an operating system is that's voodoo. But 861 00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:54,330 there's something about it that really feels good at interacts? 862 00:55:54,330 --> 00:55:58,170 Well, you know the way links work, the way copy paste works. 863 00:55:58,170 --> 00:56:01,290 There's all these things that are already kind of natural. So 864 00:56:01,830 --> 00:56:06,690 I returned to using mutt from my email, and I become one No, no, 865 00:56:06,690 --> 00:56:09,840 that's not not I've been doing that for for No, that's what 866 00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:11,940 made me laugh more than a year. Okay. 867 00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:15,780 That's nice. percent of the people listening to this show 868 00:56:15,780 --> 00:56:19,080 have no idea what might even is they don't even know what this 869 00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:19,770 is search 870 00:56:19,770 --> 00:56:26,130 for mutt email client. Because, you know, my workflow just has 871 00:56:26,130 --> 00:56:29,220 improved. And I've and I've really taken some time to learn 872 00:56:29,220 --> 00:56:36,900 macros and how to do stuff. And, and I'm also a VI user. And so 873 00:56:37,170 --> 00:56:40,200 as I'm looking for better workflows, always looking for 874 00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:44,280 better workflows. Ever since you know, for the last 24 months, 875 00:56:44,550 --> 00:56:47,580 the amount of email coming in has to be routed has to be 876 00:56:47,580 --> 00:56:51,630 tagged a lot of stuff I got to do, just to make all my shows, 877 00:56:51,810 --> 00:56:54,090 you know, that's what I do. That's literally what I do. 878 00:56:55,380 --> 00:56:57,210 You're an information router. So I've 879 00:56:57,210 --> 00:57:01,590 gone to the dark side. And if taken up learning emacs again. 880 00:57:02,370 --> 00:57:02,820 Oh, 881 00:57:03,540 --> 00:57:08,190 and I've used emacs of a handful of times, but and I know it's 882 00:57:08,190 --> 00:57:13,830 like this craziest Space Shuttle worth of stuff that you can do 883 00:57:13,830 --> 00:57:18,630 and that I get. That's all I know about it. I've yet gotten 884 00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:19,110 into it. Now. 885 00:57:19,110 --> 00:57:23,820 Specifically, I use org mode, which is an outlining mode, 886 00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:27,270 which I'm very familiar for and what you were familiar with. And 887 00:57:27,270 --> 00:57:30,960 what you've just said is the realization I had as well. That 888 00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,080 thing's like a spaceship. It's got everything. It's fucking 889 00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:38,100 crazy as I tried to do it. Does that sound a lot like the 890 00:57:38,100 --> 00:57:42,450 freedom controller to you? Yes. The Freedom controller is the 891 00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:47,130 Emacs of RSS bro. I'm telling you. That is exactly what we 892 00:57:47,130 --> 00:57:52,170 build with. It's a kitchen sink. But this, I'm very impressed. 893 00:57:52,170 --> 00:57:55,410 And there's so many translators, you know, so I can output to 894 00:57:55,410 --> 00:58:01,440 OPML, which is really being able to use structured data with 895 00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:06,480 whatever tool is good for the moment. Okay, so anyway, that 896 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:07,530 was just a side note. 897 00:58:07,980 --> 00:58:12,300 They haven't looked at the I used to use x Emacs. That's what 898 00:58:12,300 --> 00:58:14,460 I'm thinking of the X Window version of Emacs 899 00:58:14,490 --> 00:58:17,970 is very similar. I met for me, it's all shortcuts and keyboard 900 00:58:17,970 --> 00:58:19,710 commands. That's how I move fast. 901 00:58:20,459 --> 00:58:22,859 Yeah, I'm looking at the text based version of it. And I don't 902 00:58:22,859 --> 00:58:25,169 think I've ever actually used the techspace version of Emacs 903 00:58:25,169 --> 00:58:27,149 but it it looks a lot like mutt. 904 00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:33,120 Well, I mean, you can also integrate an email client. You 905 00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,270 know, you can do Catlin. The trick is you got to understand 906 00:58:36,270 --> 00:58:40,860 to do mode and agenda, the agenda, different agenda modes. 907 00:58:41,610 --> 00:58:44,790 That's what that's what really and I'd really, it's, it's made 908 00:58:44,790 --> 00:58:49,230 me very efficient, because you just throw it to do somewhere 909 00:58:49,230 --> 00:58:53,070 and you don't have to worry where it is. When you go to 910 00:58:53,100 --> 00:58:55,590 agenda mode. You can just say, Oh, I got to do this. Here's my 911 00:58:55,590 --> 00:58:58,350 to do okay, got it. This is to move this for us. Just 912 00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:02,850 brilliant. Brilliant. Brilliant. Well, that's what org mode is. 913 00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,850 The whole mode of org is an outliner. 914 00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,630 Does it export? OPML? Just Yes. What 915 00:59:09,630 --> 00:59:12,180 I just said yeah, it of course, you can export to anything, 916 00:59:12,210 --> 00:59:15,720 including OPML. Now, I'm gonna have to customize that because 917 00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:19,890 of cars. And you know, a lot of stuff freedom controller doesn't 918 00:59:19,890 --> 00:59:23,430 recognize a lot of stuff, or at least not the way it's output 919 00:59:23,430 --> 00:59:28,920 from. Org mode doesn't matter. No, copy paste still works, too. 920 00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:36,690 In a pinch. It really, really does. And then Dave Jackson, God 921 00:59:36,690 --> 00:59:40,890 bless his heart School of podcasting pings me, we all saw 922 00:59:40,890 --> 00:59:41,070 it. 923 00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:45,420 He went to task and it went to task, task, task to task 924 00:59:45,450 --> 00:59:48,810 Yeah, he tasks the camp any and he's like, I got the marketing 925 00:59:48,810 --> 00:59:51,870 guy, uh, William and kind of introduce us. Yeah. So we got an 926 00:59:51,870 --> 00:59:56,880 introduction. And it should be interesting. Because he's asking 927 00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:00,720 very marketing guy questions, and I and I and I will My first 928 01:00:00,750 --> 01:00:05,010 opening salvo I did the whole thing. Should you want to read 929 01:00:05,010 --> 01:00:09,000 it? Must I read it? Yeah, sure. This opens open source. 930 01:00:09,269 --> 01:00:11,549 Do you say, Hey, what's your marketing budget? 931 01:00:12,630 --> 01:00:15,330 Now that that'll be for the follow up. So how much money you 932 01:00:15,330 --> 01:00:22,500 got? How much money you got, man? Let me see. Tas can let me 933 01:00:22,500 --> 01:00:25,560 just search for this hold on a second. Put here it is. 934 01:00:30,900 --> 01:00:34,950 Thanks, Dave. And nice to meet you, Liam. I've been on a 15 935 01:00:34,950 --> 01:00:37,470 year search for the perfect podcast rig. I've built several 936 01:00:37,470 --> 01:00:39,360 and tested pretty much everything worth trying. 937 01:00:39,570 --> 01:00:42,510 Currently, only one device makes the perfect rig possible which 938 01:00:42,510 --> 01:00:45,930 is the Motu Ultralite MK four and that was just discontinued. 939 01:00:46,170 --> 01:00:50,670 See my setup at pod Father gear.com. There's clearly market 940 01:00:50,670 --> 01:00:53,550 demand for the product. I even tried to crowdfund one but could 941 01:00:53,550 --> 01:00:56,550 not get the engineering costs within range hardware is hard. 942 01:00:56,970 --> 01:00:59,850 It appears all devices in the category are using similar 943 01:00:59,850 --> 01:01:03,540 chipsets which have taken an unfortunate turn by exchanging 944 01:01:03,540 --> 01:01:07,320 mix buses with loopback devices, which makes only makes the 945 01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,860 problem worse. I appreciate your interest. William let me know if 946 01:01:10,860 --> 01:01:14,070 you want to discuss further. And 947 01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:18,000 good good call by dropping pod father gear 948 01:01:18,030 --> 01:01:20,160 calm Yeah, because I want I want to 949 01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,800 show yeah, yes, your brand. That's your brand. 950 01:01:23,399 --> 01:01:26,279 I definitely like to discuss further really understand your 951 01:01:26,279 --> 01:01:27,929 thoughts on all of this in the mean, okay. 952 01:01:31,020 --> 01:01:32,010 Nice. Yeah, 953 01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,980 we'll see. We'll see. But anyway, we'll try and push that 954 01:01:34,980 --> 01:01:38,280 further. I just want it to be easy for people. And then we can 955 01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,230 always do a pod father signature model. 956 01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:44,070 Yeah. With the with the signature in the in the sticker. 957 01:01:44,370 --> 01:01:46,380 Yeah. And we'll give you a special pod father sound 958 01:01:46,380 --> 01:01:49,860 effects, like? Yeah, there you go. 959 01:01:50,490 --> 01:01:57,300 Yes. Okay. So do you want to do donations first and then talk 960 01:01:57,330 --> 01:01:59,280 and then laugh at NF Ts? Or do you want to 961 01:01:59,490 --> 01:02:04,950 donate donations? First? Definitely. I think it's been 962 01:02:04,950 --> 01:02:08,400 clear throughout this, what the whole concept of the board 963 01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:12,630 meeting is and podcasting 2.0 If not in your new, it's completely 964 01:02:12,630 --> 01:02:15,330 value for value, everything is open took a little left turn 965 01:02:15,330 --> 01:02:17,820 there for a second when my substack idea quickly was 966 01:02:17,850 --> 01:02:22,710 brought back to the rails. Everything goes back into the 967 01:02:22,710 --> 01:02:27,000 project, we're funding liquidity for the node, our positioning in 968 01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:32,430 the Lightning Network is pretty darn interesting too. Yeah. And 969 01:02:32,430 --> 01:02:35,910 connecting to new nodes is is it really helps because we get 970 01:02:35,910 --> 01:02:41,790 routing fees ever since I set up my own role. Every single day, I 971 01:02:41,790 --> 01:02:45,090 get a report and I probably was probably like, podcasts index 972 01:02:45,090 --> 01:02:49,350 gets two to 300 SATs per day from routing to my node. 973 01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:52,560 Just for me just to your note Yeah, well, 974 01:02:52,890 --> 01:02:56,070 I am a very popular guy of course. Ross you have pushed 975 01:02:56,070 --> 01:03:02,100 your Yeah, but the route I mean, because I only have two channels 976 01:03:02,100 --> 01:03:07,170 I set up one channel though our inbound from podcasting 2.0 so 977 01:03:07,170 --> 01:03:11,550 open that from the from the from the index to my Umbro then 978 01:03:11,580 --> 01:03:16,830 outbound I have to one of my other private nodes and that 979 01:03:16,830 --> 01:03:20,820 perfectly balanced all the time is fantastic. And then the 980 01:03:20,820 --> 01:03:25,200 podcast index gets Benny's so 981 01:03:26,310 --> 01:03:32,490 how how much excuse me DT so do you have only Korean the keeper 982 01:03:33,270 --> 01:03:34,800 that tied to your node right now 983 01:03:34,919 --> 01:03:43,649 Korean the keeper with Adam curry and a small split from mo 984 01:03:43,649 --> 01:03:46,739 fax which has its own node really just to read the booster 985 01:03:46,739 --> 01:03:51,269 grams and a small split from no agenda again just to see the 986 01:03:51,269 --> 01:03:52,319 booster grams come in. 987 01:03:53,250 --> 01:03:56,400 Okay, so how's your Hello Pat doing real quick? 988 01:03:56,640 --> 01:04:00,360 Hello Pat is running. It's hovering everything's fine. I 989 01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:03,810 have not updated 4.9 I didn't like your message. I didn't 990 01:04:03,810 --> 01:04:05,040 think that was a fine idea. 991 01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:11,430 Well, I upgraded 4.9 last night and it wiped my hell pad but 992 01:04:11,430 --> 01:04:12,660 that was to be well that's to 993 01:04:12,660 --> 01:04:15,270 be expected you can just you just started up again it went 994 01:04:15,780 --> 01:04:19,530 yeah, just as reinstalled it and it was fine. Some good I was 995 01:04:19,530 --> 01:04:22,470 gonna try to send you a boost real quick to your Korean 996 01:04:22,470 --> 01:04:27,150 keeper. Okay, and just just out of curiosity that has see 997 01:04:27,149 --> 01:04:29,969 how long the round trip is called. Hold on hold on one 998 01:04:29,969 --> 01:04:31,979 second. Okay, hold on one second. Yeah, sure. Okay, 999 01:04:32,009 --> 01:04:35,999 because then that can we can have the Pew sound put it up put 1000 01:04:35,999 --> 01:04:37,169 it on the board Dave 1001 01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:45,600 see, where's my two wallet? My wallets toast on curio caster I 1002 01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:48,240 gotta fill it up. Shweta Do 1003 01:04:48,300 --> 01:04:52,440 you the amount you boost is way too much brother. You're gonna 1004 01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,350 go broke on that. I like your rush boost, but you're you're 1005 01:04:55,350 --> 01:04:59,520 boosting people like 10 bucks at a shot. But it's it's not just 1006 01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:01,260 one He's like everybody. 1007 01:05:02,009 --> 01:05:02,849 I'm reckless. 1008 01:05:04,049 --> 01:05:08,699 You're a beast, and Z I'd like to boost anywhere from one to 1009 01:05:08,699 --> 01:05:12,239 5000 SATs and I do that a lot. Just boom everywhere boom, boom, 1010 01:05:12,239 --> 01:05:16,349 boom boom boom just boost boost boost your your spray and I am 1011 01:05:16,349 --> 01:05:21,689 spraying SATs yeah I want I want to Okay. All right so right 1012 01:05:21,690 --> 01:05:25,830 here in the Christmas love right now yeah okay all right you 1013 01:05:25,830 --> 01:05:28,410 ready? Yeah I'm gonna I'm going to basically see how 1014 01:05:28,950 --> 01:05:31,200 this works so I'm now looking at the heli pad 1015 01:05:33,570 --> 01:05:35,130 okay I can get it so I can I want 1016 01:05:35,129 --> 01:05:37,349 it Do you want it? Do you have a test stopwatch you want to time 1017 01:05:37,349 --> 01:05:41,759 this for now before you do a day before stop. This never ceases 1018 01:05:41,759 --> 01:05:48,689 to amaze me. It really does nails it yes because there's no 1019 01:05:49,529 --> 01:05:53,519 no known connection between the two of us. And you're on a 1020 01:05:53,519 --> 01:05:58,859 podcast app you have now you found my podcast that my lovely 1021 01:05:58,859 --> 01:06:02,849 wife and I do you love the show so much that you want to send us 1022 01:06:02,849 --> 01:06:05,069 I guess he sent me a boost to Graham right? You can do a note 1023 01:06:05,069 --> 01:06:09,749 as well. Yeah. Okay. And then you send this thing off into the 1024 01:06:09,779 --> 01:06:12,839 ether and it just finds me you know, I'm not a member of 1025 01:06:12,839 --> 01:06:16,619 anything. I don't have to subscribe to anything I have to 1026 01:06:16,619 --> 01:06:21,629 sign up to anything. It's just it just comes in Alright, hit 1027 01:06:21,629 --> 01:06:21,779 it. 1028 01:06:22,499 --> 01:06:24,089 Okay, and you know this is gonna fail 1029 01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:28,020 Of course it's completely ready for that. Of course. 1030 01:06:28,290 --> 01:06:31,620 I'm gonna I'm gonna time it here All right, ready? Go. 1031 01:06:31,890 --> 01:06:35,280 All right, we are Lucent boosts and what are you sending it 1032 01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:38,850 from? Which app are you sending it from? Curio cast curio caster 1033 01:06:38,850 --> 01:06:40,920 okay and we are still waiting. 1034 01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:44,940 We should be within about 15 seconds. 1035 01:06:45,570 --> 01:06:51,030 Well this is I need some some waiting music sale Boom there it 1036 01:06:51,030 --> 01:06:51,660 is. Okay, 1037 01:06:51,899 --> 01:06:53,819 there we go. Awesome. 1038 01:06:53,939 --> 01:06:55,919 I didn't hear that. I didn't hear that. I didn't hear the Pew 1039 01:06:55,919 --> 01:06:59,249 though. I don't know why it didn't come through. So how many 1040 01:06:59,249 --> 01:07:00,089 seconds was that? 1041 01:07:00,419 --> 01:07:06,149 Yeah, that was 13 seconds not bad. Yeah, I'm in it I'm sorry 1042 01:07:06,179 --> 01:07:07,709 23 seconds heavily pad 1043 01:07:07,740 --> 01:07:11,070 heavy pad shows to me eight seconds ago so I guess it it 1044 01:07:11,070 --> 01:07:14,910 took a second for to turn it to display yes eight seconds 1045 01:07:14,910 --> 01:07:19,380 between receipt and then display so it really made it in like 10 1046 01:07:19,380 --> 01:07:22,650 seconds. Yeah. So cool. I wish I 1047 01:07:22,650 --> 01:07:24,870 had a few you see the message do you see the message? 1048 01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:30,030 Wait, I'm sorry. This is from so this is from here's your cut of 1049 01:07:30,030 --> 01:07:33,810 a message tip from curio caster. Something's wrong. 1050 01:07:35,190 --> 01:07:38,700 That's weird. But that's that's what it seems. Type the message. 1051 01:07:38,700 --> 01:07:41,370 That's what No, that's what it seems to be sending these days. 1052 01:07:42,150 --> 01:07:49,950 Refresh your LSAT, browser refresh, DC thing you 1053 01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:57,210 know, this must be this must be riveting for everybody. 1054 01:07:57,270 --> 01:07:58,200 It is great. Yeah. 1055 01:07:58,650 --> 01:08:01,230 You know, why was this supposed to cease? No. It still says 1056 01:08:01,230 --> 01:08:04,110 here's this this is something in curio caster I think. 1057 01:08:05,130 --> 01:08:08,700 So that the messages so far. I get to do some testing on that 1058 01:08:08,700 --> 01:08:09,420 then. Okay. 1059 01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:13,890 Yeah, maybe he's he has some weird waves, or something. He's 1060 01:08:13,890 --> 01:08:18,630 probably trying to jam a character string into an integer 1061 01:08:18,630 --> 01:08:21,720 again, these damn developers, you can't trust them. 1062 01:08:22,260 --> 01:08:27,210 The Pew thing sometimes it won't fire because Chrome requires you 1063 01:08:27,210 --> 01:08:30,360 to interact with the page at least once before it allows 1064 01:08:30,390 --> 01:08:33,990 audio to play. Wow. So if you just click somewhere on the 1065 01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:34,530 page, 1066 01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:39,600 yeah, I thought I had. Oh, there it is. I just heard you. 1067 01:08:40,410 --> 01:08:46,230 Alright, so that's how we prefer to receive value. We start with 1068 01:08:46,230 --> 01:08:47,250 booster grams today. 1069 01:08:48,690 --> 01:08:53,070 We're gonna know we're gonna start with a with a baller. Pay 1070 01:08:53,070 --> 01:08:54,720 Pal donate. Oh, okay. 1071 01:08:54,750 --> 01:08:57,270 I'm sitting down what's going on? Okay. 1072 01:08:59,190 --> 01:09:06,360 The guys at Buzzsprout Yeah. Gave us $2,000. In a PayPal 1073 01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:06,810 donation. 1074 01:09:06,870 --> 01:09:13,440 Wow. Shot Carla 20 blades on I am Paula. Holy 1075 01:09:13,440 --> 01:09:14,310 crap. 1076 01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,850 Chris, that is a Christmas miracle. 1077 01:09:17,940 --> 01:09:21,930 That is a miracle that is that no kidding. Wow. 1078 01:09:22,260 --> 01:09:24,510 Especially since we just paid the bill. They've 1079 01:09:25,710 --> 01:09:27,360 just had a huge, huge month. 1080 01:09:27,690 --> 01:09:32,490 Yeah. That and they said the team that Buzzsprout is so 1081 01:09:32,490 --> 01:09:34,710 thankful for all the great things the podcast index has 1082 01:09:34,710 --> 01:09:37,650 done this year. Keep up the great work and keep podcasting 1083 01:09:37,650 --> 01:09:38,790 take care. Oh, 1084 01:09:38,850 --> 01:09:43,380 thank you guys so much. That is so so appreciated. 1085 01:09:43,860 --> 01:09:50,610 It literally the bill for the for voltage node was $1,800. And 1086 01:09:50,610 --> 01:09:54,300 we just annual bill we just paid it in this like covers. Exactly 1087 01:09:54,300 --> 01:09:54,780 right. It's 1088 01:09:54,780 --> 01:09:56,580 exactly right. Yeah. 1089 01:09:56,610 --> 01:10:05,280 Thank you guys so much. Awesome pew it wasn't a foul to play the 1090 01:10:05,580 --> 01:10:10,320 baller boost for a PayPal donation is it the rules 1091 01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:10,920 violation? 1092 01:10:10,949 --> 01:10:16,109 No no no because this comes from Moe facts and he has he's 1093 01:10:16,109 --> 01:10:19,049 approved it for all for all large donations. 1094 01:10:19,140 --> 01:10:22,440 So we are valid we were we're already validating but just go 1095 01:10:22,440 --> 01:10:23,760 across show no no 1096 01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:26,940 no because we use all kinds of karma shit over there it's crazy 1097 01:10:26,940 --> 01:10:30,870 it's just it's a plague everything intermingles yeah and 1098 01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:31,710 i You can't do it. 1099 01:10:32,099 --> 01:10:36,329 Thank you guys thank you Tom and Kevin and now and and all the 1100 01:10:36,359 --> 01:10:38,159 crew over there at BestBuy. Yeah, 1101 01:10:38,519 --> 01:10:41,669 really nice. Thank you. Merry Christmas. Happy Hanukkah. 1102 01:10:42,389 --> 01:10:50,219 Booster grams. See comic strip blogger got 3333 sets. He says 1103 01:10:50,249 --> 01:10:53,189 greetings from comic strip blogger to podcasting 2.0 team, 1104 01:10:53,699 --> 01:10:56,729 Dave and AC and anybody interested in artificial 1105 01:10:56,729 --> 01:10:59,159 intelligence is welcome to subscribe and listen to the 1106 01:10:59,159 --> 01:11:02,729 podcast called AI cooking. It can be found in all podcast apps 1107 01:11:02,729 --> 01:11:06,449 and in all podcast indexes by searching for AI cooking Yo 1108 01:11:07,379 --> 01:11:12,929 yo, yeah, just on a side note, I was really sad that I had this 1109 01:11:12,929 --> 01:11:16,289 curry in the keeper title for the podcast but the ampersand 1110 01:11:16,289 --> 01:11:18,329 doesn't really register well while searching 1111 01:11:19,020 --> 01:11:22,890 Yeah, I need to fix that. And I'm not sure you know it could 1112 01:11:22,890 --> 01:11:25,410 be just the app let me search for that and 1113 01:11:25,500 --> 01:11:29,730 well I couldn't find it in curio caster or pod friend that way. 1114 01:11:30,330 --> 01:11:31,470 Oh neither one huh? 1115 01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:34,860 But once because you said we'll just try curry keeper and that 1116 01:11:34,860 --> 01:11:35,790 worked perfectly. 1117 01:11:36,270 --> 01:11:38,670 I just search for it in pot friend using curry and the 1118 01:11:38,700 --> 01:11:42,300 ampersand the keeper and it came right up. Oh, interesting in 1119 01:11:42,300 --> 01:11:42,780 Patran 1120 01:11:43,290 --> 01:11:46,800 but probably probably probably Martin when I want to listen to 1121 01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,530 the show. Can't find it. Oh, let me put in a little work around 1122 01:11:49,530 --> 01:11:51,210 here. Yeah. 1123 01:11:52,110 --> 01:11:57,390 See me. Alright, let me switch back over here. We got up Oscar 1124 01:11:57,390 --> 01:12:04,530 Mary, Sacca sevens. This is 7770. Mountain. He says great to 1125 01:12:04,530 --> 01:12:13,500 have the boardroom back. Yes. Thanks. Thank you see by 1000 1126 01:12:13,500 --> 01:12:17,610 SATs from able Kirby through curio caster it is messages. 1127 01:12:17,730 --> 01:12:18,750 Yeah, probably. 1128 01:12:22,950 --> 01:12:26,880 That's what they're for. Okay. See? 1129 01:12:28,740 --> 01:12:34,740 Beavin our this is 500 cents through fountain and his 1130 01:12:34,740 --> 01:12:43,740 messages. Totally agree. Alright. Comic Strip blogger 1131 01:12:43,770 --> 01:12:49,110 again. 3333 says he's in the Christmas spirit. He says howdy 1132 01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:52,590 Dave and AC. Thanks for the link to a cooking in the shownotes 1133 01:12:52,590 --> 01:12:56,160 appreciated and when I boost multiple times it's not accident 1134 01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:58,050 but to multiply my support. 1135 01:12:58,260 --> 01:12:58,830 Okay. 1136 01:13:00,090 --> 01:13:01,650 Thank you for the multiplication. 1137 01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:09,750 Thank you see. John's BRT through fountain 4900 sets and 1138 01:13:09,750 --> 01:13:11,550 he says the boost 1139 01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:19,050 oh yes Lee boosts and now as the French say, it is timeful loosed 1140 01:13:22,620 --> 01:13:26,280 I always get a kick out I've been playing on the Korean The 1141 01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:30,120 Keeper which is a whole 2.0 exclusive show. It was exclusive 1142 01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:35,670 the podcast into Pinoys like Spotify only better okay. And we 1143 01:13:35,670 --> 01:13:39,270 get actual feedback doesn't get trapped in the Spotify marketing 1144 01:13:39,270 --> 01:13:39,840 department. 1145 01:13:40,259 --> 01:13:42,929 Yeah, it actually leaves and goes out into the world. 1146 01:13:42,990 --> 01:13:46,470 It's so exciting. You know, we just had just so many booster 1147 01:13:46,470 --> 01:13:49,530 grams coming in. And that's our only method no pay power or 1148 01:13:49,530 --> 01:13:53,070 anything like that. So we're really gonna see how far we can 1149 01:13:53,070 --> 01:13:57,480 push this and I can't wait to have an OPML or a CSV export 1150 01:13:57,480 --> 01:13:59,940 before Wednesday. Ooh, there's another let me see what came in 1151 01:13:59,940 --> 01:14:03,090 from Dave Jones. Yo during the show. I heard you bitch. 1152 01:14:04,470 --> 01:14:07,890 Did you hear the pew? Yeah, that was about seven seconds. 1153 01:14:07,890 --> 01:14:11,160 And that was from pod friend. I can see 500 SATs. Yes. So maybe 1154 01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:11,880 it is a curious 1155 01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:18,270 test or message issue then. Okay, so I'm Dee bushes and 1156 01:14:18,270 --> 01:14:20,910 reading show donations at the same time, but 1157 01:14:21,480 --> 01:14:22,980 that's why you're the pod stage. 1158 01:14:24,180 --> 01:14:32,070 PTR PTR give us 3333 SATs through fountain he says Friends 1159 01:14:32,070 --> 01:14:37,710 don't let friends buy NF Ts. Yeah, we got we got it. We got 1160 01:14:37,710 --> 01:14:42,390 to clear up the play after this. Okay, good. All right. See here. 1161 01:14:43,650 --> 01:14:48,810 Anonymous, gave us 1000 SATs and the messages of this is Drew 1162 01:14:48,810 --> 01:14:55,050 Brees and the message is this Cleveland soap works.com That's 1163 01:14:55,050 --> 01:14:57,570 the whole message. So this is a this is a PR this 1164 01:14:57,570 --> 01:15:03,660 ad is an ad Hell is that you know I was read and I actually 1165 01:15:03,660 --> 01:15:07,170 noticed this on the last no agenda show there were two 1166 01:15:07,170 --> 01:15:11,970 different executive producer donation so over $300 and they 1167 01:15:11,970 --> 01:15:15,840 were promoting their businesses and have to say when it's 1168 01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:20,910 someone who and both of these cases people who are just really 1169 01:15:20,910 --> 01:15:24,960 like I don't have a job anymore I've you know, I'm doing shit on 1170 01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:28,710 Etsy before never I kind of appreciate that I don't have a 1171 01:15:28,710 --> 01:15:33,030 problem with that. I don't really know I really don't even 1172 01:15:33,030 --> 01:15:36,510 though for the same amount of airtime with audience we could 1173 01:15:36,510 --> 01:15:39,690 make you know 10 times as much 1174 01:15:40,530 --> 01:15:43,140 with it wouldn't be as it wouldn't be as personal No, and 1175 01:15:43,140 --> 01:15:43,440 it wouldn't 1176 01:15:43,440 --> 01:15:46,920 be a damn as some funny Etsy thing we can laugh about. Yeah, 1177 01:15:47,550 --> 01:15:48,420 I was so boring. 1178 01:15:49,110 --> 01:15:51,090 What is it they have soap or me? Yes, it's 1179 01:15:51,450 --> 01:15:54,990 it's like yes all kinds of different soaps all sugar cookie 1180 01:15:54,990 --> 01:15:56,070 bath bomb Hold 1181 01:15:56,070 --> 01:16:00,750 on a second. I got to take a look at this. Cleveland soap 1182 01:16:00,750 --> 01:16:02,760 works.com 1183 01:16:03,900 --> 01:16:08,130 I'm digging these Mrs. Claus Sugar Cookie, cookie bath bombs. 1184 01:16:10,110 --> 01:16:13,050 Turmeric carrot honey face and body 1185 01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:18,150 so Oh, you should get this from Melissa. Yeah, the goat goat 1186 01:16:18,150 --> 01:16:21,930 milk natural pure bar so baby it's goat milk. I want nothing 1187 01:16:21,930 --> 01:16:28,050 but goat touching your skin. Oh, all goat all the time. 1188 01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:35,220 All the way down. And bath bomb. Snowman bath bomb. I'm liking 1189 01:16:35,220 --> 01:16:35,490 that. 1190 01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:41,190 Alright, let's moving on. This ad is less than two lines. All 1191 01:16:41,190 --> 01:16:45,480 right. Thank you. Cleveland's ad should be 10,000 this ads by the 1192 01:16:45,480 --> 01:16:46,290 way. I think 1193 01:16:46,770 --> 01:16:49,290 men floor that's the floor. That's the floor. Yes. The 1194 01:16:49,290 --> 01:16:52,890 floor. Be my be mozzie 15,000 says 1195 01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:55,470 Whoa, see now he should he should have an ad. Does he have 1196 01:16:55,470 --> 01:16:56,580 something to advertise? 1197 01:16:57,030 --> 01:16:59,250 He does not have anything to advertise. He just says boost 1198 01:16:59,250 --> 01:17:00,630 the dip. And I agree. 1199 01:17:01,020 --> 01:17:04,740 Yes. Yes. Boosting the dip. Thank you very much. That's 1200 01:17:04,740 --> 01:17:07,770 exactly right. Because everything that comes in now is 1201 01:17:07,770 --> 01:17:12,360 going to be worth more later on. Yeah. Be a beat. 1202 01:17:13,650 --> 01:17:17,130 Comic Strip blogger again. Now something has gone wrong with 1203 01:17:17,130 --> 01:17:19,950 the universe of comic strip blogger has boosted three times 1204 01:17:19,950 --> 01:17:24,480 in the same show. Maybe Maybe it's just Christmas in Poland. 1205 01:17:24,480 --> 01:17:27,120 This just gets all in your blood and makes you feel good. 1206 01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:29,820 Well, we appreciate it CSB. 1207 01:17:29,820 --> 01:17:31,980 Thank you. Pod friend right? 1208 01:17:31,980 --> 01:17:35,010 Don't we have to play his jingle? Isn't that Yeah, go for 1209 01:17:35,010 --> 01:17:37,920 it. It's kind of almost second I said it but I wasn't I wasn't 1210 01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:38,670 ready. No. Well, 1211 01:17:38,670 --> 01:17:42,810 let me read the note first. No. Okay. Yes. Yet another one not 1212 01:17:42,810 --> 01:17:46,380 mistake. Greetings from comic strip blogger to podcasting. 2.0 1213 01:17:46,380 --> 01:17:50,820 team. David AC. Oh intelligence is welcome to see anybody 1214 01:17:50,820 --> 01:17:52,800 interested in artificial intelligence is welcome to 1215 01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:56,820 subscribe and listen to the podcast. Cooking can be found in 1216 01:17:56,820 --> 01:17:59,520 all podcast apps and in all podcast indexes about searching 1217 01:17:59,580 --> 01:18:03,540 for AI cooking. Yo, okay. He said specifically, yeah, it's 1218 01:18:03,540 --> 01:18:04,710 not a mistake. So and 1219 01:18:04,710 --> 01:18:07,800 he hit the floor. I mean, he hit the floor he missed it by one 1220 01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:12,660 sat once the comic graduates so I got the SAT for you right here 1221 01:18:12,660 --> 01:18:17,370 almost a comic strip. And drop that extra sat comic strip. 1222 01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:21,210 Comics jam, comic strip block. 1223 01:18:23,610 --> 01:18:27,540 The only good no nothing. Whenever Whenever I say 1224 01:18:27,540 --> 01:18:31,410 something about CSB, it always gets mad at me. We love UCSB. 1225 01:18:31,410 --> 01:18:31,830 Thank you. 1226 01:18:32,009 --> 01:18:38,579 Yeah, yeah, that's 9999 SAS of love. Pure anonymous 22,000 SATs 1227 01:18:38,579 --> 01:18:41,849 but it is not anonymous. Oh, woo comes from breeze no doubt. 1228 01:18:42,239 --> 01:18:46,139 Breeze it says keep on keepin on fellas. Mike Newman. 1229 01:18:46,740 --> 01:18:49,560 All right, Mike. Thank you keep on keeping on endears to 1230 01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:54,720 Graham, the director of team management and podcasting. 2.0. 1231 01:18:56,280 --> 01:19:01,290 Ceylon nomics since 2021, SAS through fountain, he says, Yo, 1232 01:19:01,470 --> 01:19:05,460 Adam, you create a jingle for us. You have a segment on our 1233 01:19:05,460 --> 01:19:09,900 show called under a bus where someone's see where someone's 1234 01:19:09,900 --> 01:19:12,720 incompetence trigger us enough to wish someone would throw them 1235 01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:16,590 under a bus. Admittedly, British politicians have a monopoly on 1236 01:19:16,590 --> 01:19:19,530 the segment at the moment. However, it does bring it does 1237 01:19:19,530 --> 01:19:22,770 bring us a small element of joy within the current dystopia we 1238 01:19:22,770 --> 01:19:25,980 live in. Don't let the bastards drag you down. Cheers, Erin. 1239 01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:30,960 Well, let me talk to the to my my agent. Dave, I think this 1240 01:19:31,380 --> 01:19:34,110 same rule should apply if you want custom jingles. I mean, 1241 01:19:34,110 --> 01:19:36,420 that should be 10,000 SATs 1242 01:19:36,690 --> 01:19:41,220 2021 SATs is a little that's pushing that's like a buck 1243 01:19:44,100 --> 01:19:46,950 that's a low hourly wage Thanks, bro with that is 1244 01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:50,640 happy to do it. But I think you should be more creative. 1245 01:19:51,210 --> 01:19:52,770 Bring it bring it bring. 1246 01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:54,840 Yes, yeah. Why not 1247 01:19:54,870 --> 01:19:57,630 bring the boosting gift you got to give direction that's not 1248 01:19:57,630 --> 01:19:59,280 enough. You got to give creative direction. Yeah, 1249 01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:01,320 I do need something yeah and then we can do a couple of 1250 01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:02,040 different reads 1251 01:20:04,259 --> 01:20:07,019 2222 SAS from Sir Pete 1252 01:20:07,140 --> 01:20:11,130 Wait, I take that I take it back. I take it back. Okay, was 1253 01:20:11,130 --> 01:20:12,210 that from the previous 1254 01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:14,400 sell anomic so 1255 01:20:16,020 --> 01:20:19,950 do you know if the if their value for value enabled? 1256 01:20:21,150 --> 01:20:22,530 Yes they are. Okay. 1257 01:20:23,100 --> 01:20:27,540 I'll do it for free. You need we do need some direction please 1258 01:20:27,540 --> 01:20:30,600 put us in your in your split we'd like 5% going to podcast 1259 01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:35,280 index go see this is how it works. This is how it works. 1260 01:20:35,310 --> 01:20:39,690 This is how it works. Thank you The tu tu tu tu was to get my 1261 01:20:39,690 --> 01:20:42,120 attention that's how it works in this new economy you got my 1262 01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:47,700 attention appreciate it. Now to complete the transaction that 1263 01:20:47,700 --> 01:20:51,690 like 5% for the podcast index and that were in the in 1264 01:20:51,690 --> 01:20:54,300 perpetuity or you know until you use something else 1265 01:20:54,570 --> 01:20:57,780 and then you'll come back next week and he's gonna say okay, 1266 01:20:57,780 --> 01:21:02,400 I'll do 3% And not and and I'll just give you a one liner of 1267 01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:04,470 direct negotiation 1268 01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:10,020 only if we can give Dave a pink Cadillac then you know we got to 1269 01:21:10,020 --> 01:21:10,950 hook him up all right, 1270 01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:15,960 I will take it sir Pete 2222 sets three pod friend and he 1271 01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:18,720 says trying out pot from from the browser. Here's a second 1272 01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:19,350 ducks 1273 01:21:19,410 --> 01:21:24,780 yes, we need a quack quack man. I should have a quack a duck 1274 01:21:24,780 --> 01:21:27,000 donation should definitely have a quack 1275 01:21:28,290 --> 01:21:35,040 Niall in i a ll through fountain sin is 20 sets and he's just his 1276 01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:36,630 messages says Awesome. 1277 01:21:38,490 --> 01:21:43,080 Yeah, thank you. We burned more electricity crumpling the paper. 1278 01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:50,310 Yes. Karen our buddy at mere mortals Karen down 10,602 sets 1279 01:21:50,310 --> 01:21:53,760 through curio Gasper. 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Yes, Spotify has a three and a half billion dollar war chest 1312 01:24:07,620 --> 01:24:13,140 to buy things we have a three we have a $3.50 more jest 1313 01:24:13,799 --> 01:24:17,099 much. Thanks pretty much. But thank you all very much. It is 1314 01:24:17,189 --> 01:24:20,069 very much appreciated especially the guys over at Buzzsprout for 1315 01:24:20,069 --> 01:24:24,239 really, really saving Christmas that's really safe Chris Thank 1316 01:24:24,239 --> 01:24:28,499 you go to podcast index.org You see the big red donate button 1317 01:24:28,499 --> 01:24:31,979 down at the bottom we got to get our QR code up there too. We got 1318 01:24:31,979 --> 01:24:37,169 to get we I guess we're waiting for Bolt 12 or whatever. Yeah, I 1319 01:24:37,169 --> 01:24:39,869 don't know what I've been trying to set up an Ellen bits just so 1320 01:24:39,869 --> 01:24:45,569 we can have a pay a pay link and ln URL. And I cannot for the 1321 01:24:45,569 --> 01:24:50,669 life of me get any node with a certificate punch through any 1322 01:24:50,669 --> 01:24:54,929 firewall anywhere or voltage doesn't have it. I was hoping 1323 01:24:54,929 --> 01:24:58,979 with Umbro well don't try and do as as you know, SSL certificate 1324 01:24:58,979 --> 01:25:01,499 on your Umbral anymore We'll blow the whole thing up right 1325 01:25:01,499 --> 01:25:06,299 away. Don't try it on your raspy blitz either this bullcrap the 1326 01:25:06,299 --> 01:25:10,139 instructions don't work. And not for me at least you know there's 1327 01:25:10,139 --> 01:25:13,169 always Hey, I did it work right out of the box. Yeah. All right. 1328 01:25:13,949 --> 01:25:17,279 Well spit the Sphinx donation thing died that 1329 01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:20,160 died. I knew that was gonna die. Thanks for removing and I saw 1330 01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:20,520 that. 1331 01:25:22,050 --> 01:25:25,800 But I didn't remove it. It just went away. Oh, just I don't know 1332 01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:28,020 what and it's gone. Yeah, and it's go. 1333 01:25:29,850 --> 01:25:33,330 Thanks again, everybody value for value the way forward DeVore 1334 01:25:33,330 --> 01:25:34,650 economic and write the book. 1335 01:25:36,870 --> 01:25:41,340 Do you want to? Do you want to listen to you know, it's getting 1336 01:25:41,370 --> 01:25:45,210 the shows get a little long now? Do you want to listen, instead 1337 01:25:45,210 --> 01:25:48,270 of doing the Netflix do NF T's next week? Okay. Okay. And let's 1338 01:25:48,270 --> 01:25:52,170 do. I just thought this was a very interesting thing. We got a 1339 01:25:52,170 --> 01:25:56,490 clip of Aaron Schwartz. I went back and listen to that. Have 1340 01:25:56,490 --> 01:25:58,770 you ever seen that documentary by him called the internet's own 1341 01:25:58,770 --> 01:25:59,130 boy? 1342 01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:03,750 Oh, I may have started it not finished it. But you should 1343 01:26:03,750 --> 01:26:06,300 probably let everyone know who Aaron Schwartz was. 1344 01:26:07,110 --> 01:26:11,640 So he was like, I didn't know any. And I only knew very little 1345 01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:14,640 about him. I knew what his I knew what he had done. I didn't 1346 01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:19,590 know who he was like in on a personal level. And so he his 1347 01:26:19,590 --> 01:26:22,560 name is like on tons of different things that we just 1348 01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:25,350 take for granted now. Like he was a co inventor of markdown 1349 01:26:26,100 --> 01:26:34,170 language, he early RSS, early RSS. He was very politically 1350 01:26:34,170 --> 01:26:37,560 active. And so a lot of the political organizations that we 1351 01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:41,940 think of that we see doing things today were part of that 1352 01:26:41,940 --> 01:26:51,390 came from him. That he he was very, like, if you get his story 1353 01:26:51,390 --> 01:26:58,920 is that he committed suicide? Because he was just basically 1354 01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:00,450 railroaded by the government. 1355 01:27:00,540 --> 01:27:04,710 Oh, my version is he was cleaned up. Yeah. 1356 01:27:05,010 --> 01:27:12,870 Yeah. And so he. But before that happened, in the last couple of 1357 01:27:12,870 --> 01:27:16,920 years of his life, he became sort of the go to guy for 1358 01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:19,590 interviews, in that now you have to have to understand this guy's 1359 01:27:19,590 --> 01:27:24,570 very politically, live extremely left extremely liberal, 1360 01:27:25,950 --> 01:27:31,650 extremely devoted to civil liberties, ACA, very much ACLU 1361 01:27:31,650 --> 01:27:32,790 type liberal, 1362 01:27:33,090 --> 01:27:37,110 older an ACLU old way when I still supported them. 1363 01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:44,010 And so that's kind of the thing with this clip, is as Aaron 1364 01:27:44,010 --> 01:27:48,210 Schwartz interview, he became sort of a go to guy for a lot of 1365 01:27:48,210 --> 01:27:52,800 news organizations when they wanted to talk about like SOPA 1366 01:27:52,860 --> 01:27:55,020 or PIPA, which is one of the rise. 1367 01:27:55,650 --> 01:27:59,670 But yeah, gosh, that's so that's 12 years ago, maybe longer. 1368 01:28:00,690 --> 01:28:04,080 The Internet blackout, remember that were blacking out, 1369 01:28:04,590 --> 01:28:06,630 Wikipedia shut down their side and 1370 01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:09,480 Good times. Good times, people. Yeah. 1371 01:28:10,049 --> 01:28:13,439 He led that and all that. So he a lot of news organizations 1372 01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:15,749 would have him on isn't to interview him when it came to 1373 01:28:15,749 --> 01:28:19,619 things like internet as a human ride and things like that. And 1374 01:28:19,799 --> 01:28:23,399 what I found is, so go ahead and play this interview, clip real 1375 01:28:23,399 --> 01:28:26,099 quick. And then I'll tell and then I will tell you where the 1376 01:28:26,099 --> 01:28:27,389 interview was from. 1377 01:28:28,440 --> 01:28:31,590 Months go by as Schwartz's friends and family await a 1378 01:28:31,590 --> 01:28:35,070 looming indictment. In the meantime, Schwartz was becoming 1379 01:28:35,100 --> 01:28:38,040 a go to expert on a series of internet issues 1380 01:28:38,100 --> 01:28:40,920 to you that do you think that the internet is something that 1381 01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:43,380 should be considered a human right, and something that the 1382 01:28:43,380 --> 01:28:45,090 government cannot take away from you? 1383 01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:49,650 Yes, definitely. I mean, this notion that national security is 1384 01:28:49,650 --> 01:28:52,140 an excuse to shut down the internet. That's exactly what we 1385 01:28:52,140 --> 01:28:55,260 heard in Egypt and Syria and all these other countries. And so 1386 01:28:55,260 --> 01:28:57,480 yeah, it's true sites like WikiLeaks are going to be 1387 01:28:57,480 --> 01:28:59,760 putting up some embarrassing material about what the US 1388 01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:02,250 government does. And people are going to be organizing to 1389 01:29:02,250 --> 01:29:04,920 protest about it and try and change their government. You 1390 01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:07,170 know, and that's a good thing. That's what all these first 1391 01:29:07,170 --> 01:29:09,270 amendment rights, the free expression of freedom of 1392 01:29:09,270 --> 01:29:11,970 association are all about. And so the notion that we should try 1393 01:29:11,970 --> 01:29:15,090 and shut those down I think just goes against very basic American 1394 01:29:15,090 --> 01:29:18,000 principles principle, I think, is one that our Founding Fathers 1395 01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,070 would have understood if the internet had been around back 1396 01:29:20,070 --> 01:29:22,680 then instead of putting post offices in the Constitution, 1397 01:29:22,770 --> 01:29:24,120 they would have put ISPs 1398 01:29:26,070 --> 01:29:31,200 so here's a guy here's here's a, a very left liberal defending 1399 01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:37,470 freedom of speech. Freedom of association, defending 1400 01:29:38,550 --> 01:29:41,820 I already think I know who the interviewed interviewer was 1401 01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:44,940 date. Okay. All right. Do you want to give a guess? Yes, 1402 01:29:44,940 --> 01:29:45,960 because I hate her. 1403 01:29:47,220 --> 01:29:52,530 Is it Kara Swisher? No, no. I was so sure it was her. It's 1404 01:29:52,530 --> 01:29:55,020 fine. Don't really hate her by the way. I just hate how she 1405 01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:57,600 it's a hate Listen, that's more accurate. Sorry. 1406 01:29:58,380 --> 01:30:06,990 The the interview was from RT pa Yeah. So so the question is, 1407 01:30:08,100 --> 01:30:14,160 would you ever today? See a liberal? on RT? Yes. Again with 1408 01:30:14,190 --> 01:30:14,850 Yes. Only 1409 01:30:14,850 --> 01:30:18,120 those that have been fired from MSNBC. That's where you go, 1410 01:30:18,150 --> 01:30:20,790 yeah. After that you go to Archie this fact. 1411 01:30:21,300 --> 01:30:24,840 But then would they also be defending freedom of speech? No, 1412 01:30:24,930 --> 01:30:29,670 no. Like that, that is that shows you how quickly 1413 01:30:29,940 --> 01:30:31,740 culture change. It's Flipster 1414 01:30:31,950 --> 01:30:32,940 change. Well, 1415 01:30:32,940 --> 01:30:38,220 but it's it's also ignorance. Not really, not really having 1416 01:30:38,220 --> 01:30:41,310 thought it through. I mean, we're in a, certainly in the 1417 01:30:41,310 --> 01:30:46,560 United States we're in a did the meritocracy is, sadly in 1418 01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:52,920 education is based on test scores. And then not necessarily 1419 01:30:52,950 --> 01:30:56,490 in I just don't think it's been taught to people what it really 1420 01:30:56,490 --> 01:31:01,800 means. I mean, you probably heard the German member of 1421 01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:05,850 European Parliament who, who answered the Australian SOS 1422 01:31:05,850 --> 01:31:07,740 call. Yes, 1423 01:31:07,770 --> 01:31:09,330 I heard that. Yeah. I mean, and 1424 01:31:09,330 --> 01:31:12,540 for her to say, you know, this is exactly when we used to ask 1425 01:31:12,540 --> 01:31:17,460 our grandparents in cermony. Current Opa, what did you What 1426 01:31:17,460 --> 01:31:22,080 did you to turn to VA, but your silence? What did you do what to 1427 01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:27,240 choose? And, you know, but that I grew up with that, you know, I 1428 01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:30,030 grew up my friends, their their grandmothers were home, and they 1429 01:31:30,030 --> 01:31:32,970 had numbers tattooed on their arm. So I had a different 1430 01:31:32,970 --> 01:31:36,300 experience. And I'm very, very aware of that. And, you know, 1431 01:31:36,330 --> 01:31:38,970 and that's the big question is like, how could that have 1432 01:31:38,970 --> 01:31:41,820 happened, it has not been answered. And the because they 1433 01:31:41,820 --> 01:31:44,820 always say for happiness. Nice. goosed, we did not know about 1434 01:31:44,820 --> 01:31:48,720 the Orpheum, we were following order orders. That's exactly 1435 01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:51,390 what's happening. And that's the left 1436 01:31:52,860 --> 01:31:54,120 that does that, 1437 01:31:54,150 --> 01:31:57,360 which by the way, the Nazi Party was also a leftist party. 1438 01:31:57,900 --> 01:32:04,170 Well, you can socialists and just you can just see that you 1439 01:32:04,170 --> 01:32:09,570 can just see the how quickly something can go from anti from 1440 01:32:09,750 --> 01:32:12,510 South think how quickly things can be can be moved 1441 01:32:12,540 --> 01:32:17,670 ideologically to throat. So you know, now used to something like 1442 01:32:17,670 --> 01:32:22,110 RT was not a verb for, you know, verboten. Now they're 1443 01:32:22,140 --> 01:32:25,920 now they had to register as a as an agent of a foreign entity 1444 01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:28,530 just broadcast in America. 1445 01:32:28,590 --> 01:32:31,590 And if you ask anybody today, you know, hey, what, what about 1446 01:32:31,590 --> 01:32:35,430 our TVs? You know, that the immediate thought is that that's 1447 01:32:35,460 --> 01:32:40,620 a hangout for you know, Right Wing whack jobs. Yeah. And even 1448 01:32:40,620 --> 01:32:44,940 though clearly, it was not that, you know, at the time anyway, I 1449 01:32:44,940 --> 01:32:48,390 just thought that was it was so surprising to see an A Chiron 1450 01:32:48,690 --> 01:32:51,240 from RT on the bottom and Aaron Schwartz interview. And I 1451 01:32:51,240 --> 01:32:53,430 thought, man, you know how quickly things have changed. 1452 01:32:53,430 --> 01:32:57,030 Yeah. And that's a lesson because you get to know how 1453 01:32:57,030 --> 01:33:00,780 quickly things can can change. So that you know not to give 1454 01:33:00,780 --> 01:33:04,770 away all of your, all of your power to some group that's going 1455 01:33:04,770 --> 01:33:06,840 to turn around and screw you 10 years from now. 1456 01:33:06,930 --> 01:33:09,870 And if you want to really understand a lot of this from a 1457 01:33:09,870 --> 01:33:13,050 left perspective, Glenn Greenwald, his substack, his, 1458 01:33:13,260 --> 01:33:17,610 his videos, too, are phenomenal. And he's a he's a he's a left, 1459 01:33:17,940 --> 01:33:22,770 definitely a left oriented person. And but he understands 1460 01:33:22,770 --> 01:33:25,950 all the corruption. He understands, and he sees and 1461 01:33:25,980 --> 01:33:29,280 this is exactly what he says like this used to be, you know, 1462 01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:32,460 like, get the government out of our hair, you know, no 1463 01:33:32,460 --> 01:33:35,670 surveillance, we hate the CIA. Now. It's like, Oh, we love 1464 01:33:35,670 --> 01:33:37,860 them. We want to be in it. They're woke. 1465 01:33:38,310 --> 01:33:42,060 What's that card is that old cartoon this got the king and 1466 01:33:42,060 --> 01:33:45,180 the advisor looking at the crowd and they get pitchforks and 1467 01:33:45,210 --> 01:33:49,710 torches and the the adviser to the kings like don't worry about 1468 01:33:49,710 --> 01:33:53,220 it. All we all we need to do is convince the pitchfork people 1469 01:33:53,220 --> 01:33:55,980 that the torch people want to take away their pitchforks, and 1470 01:33:57,240 --> 01:33:57,900 it'll be fine. Don't 1471 01:33:57,900 --> 01:34:00,570 worry about it. So right. All right. For the next board 1472 01:34:00,570 --> 01:34:04,800 meeting. I you have the NFT craziness you want to talk about 1473 01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:08,820 I have Ryan hice, his transcripts, servers, and Ron's 1474 01:34:08,820 --> 01:34:11,220 emails, we got to talk about this because he's doing some 1475 01:34:11,220 --> 01:34:16,290 work and I need to figure out how we, if it works, how it 1476 01:34:16,290 --> 01:34:19,350 works, and I think we need to just, it's something 1477 01:34:20,370 --> 01:34:25,740 interesting. Okay, so we'll talk about that on the next show. And 1478 01:34:25,740 --> 01:34:29,160 what else? Man what a good board meeting. This is a good one. 1479 01:34:29,190 --> 01:34:31,980 Yeah, it hacks. Well, congratulations, sir. Well done. 1480 01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:34,290 Thank you. Congratulations to you. 1481 01:34:34,350 --> 01:34:38,220 I have a great weekend. Dave. I look forward to anything and 1482 01:34:38,250 --> 01:34:40,140 everything that's going to happen next week. May all your 1483 01:34:40,140 --> 01:34:42,210 prayers come true. Keep reaching for the stars. 1484 01:34:43,590 --> 01:34:45,990 That reads like a CSB. Donation. 1485 01:34:46,890 --> 01:34:49,110 that's it everybody. We'll be back with the board meeting for 1486 01:34:49,110 --> 01:34:52,800 podcasting. 2.0 next week, Friday, you know where to find 1487 01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:55,020 us till then take it easy. Have a great weekend, everybody. 1488 01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:15,360 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast 1489 01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:17,970 index.org For more information