1 00:00:00,780 --> 00:00:06,150 podcasting 2.0 for December 3 2021, episode 64 Dave's not 2 00:00:06,150 --> 00:00:11,640 here man. Well, at least that was what happened last week. 3 00:00:12,900 --> 00:00:15,780 learned a lot from that. Hello everybody time once again for 4 00:00:15,780 --> 00:00:20,160 the board meaning of podcasting. 2.0 we talk about all things 5 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,700 going on to podcasts. index.org the podcast namespace and of 6 00:00:23,700 --> 00:00:27,750 course, the genius development. It's a blue light at night the 7 00:00:27,750 --> 00:00:32,220 hovering creativity over a podcast index dot social. I'm 8 00:00:32,220 --> 00:00:34,470 Adam curry here in the heart of Hill Country, Texas and in 9 00:00:34,470 --> 00:00:37,680 Alabama, the steam locomotive of development my friend on the 10 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:42,540 other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. J. Jones. What's the 11 00:00:42,540 --> 00:00:43,320 etymology 12 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:48,570 of the phrase? I'm fixing? Fixing to? Um, yeah, like, I'm 13 00:00:48,630 --> 00:00:53,070 like, I'm like, I'm fixing this submit this app to the Umbral 14 00:00:53,190 --> 00:00:56,790 thing immediately I'm thinking covered wagon I'm making a 15 00:00:56,790 --> 00:01:02,790 Chuck's to I'm fixing to make some hooks Could it be that 16 00:01:03,420 --> 00:01:03,870 cookie? 17 00:01:05,970 --> 00:01:09,690 Girl cookie? Yeah, exactly. You know, like I'm fixing to throw 18 00:01:09,690 --> 00:01:12,360 this mask in the trash because I'm so sick of this crap. Know 19 00:01:12,450 --> 00:01:15,480 what? I don't know where that came to came from. There's a 20 00:01:16,260 --> 00:01:20,700 there's also what's the other one? Oh, I'll get out these 21 00:01:20,700 --> 00:01:23,850 gotta be southern phrase. They must be You must be tired is all 22 00:01:23,850 --> 00:01:26,190 get out. I said even I 23 00:01:26,190 --> 00:01:29,310 don't use that one myself. So I'm not sure what that means. 24 00:01:30,060 --> 00:01:34,530 Yeah, but Dave, First Things First things first, man. We 25 00:01:34,530 --> 00:01:37,770 missed you. We miss you. We missed a board meeting. We 26 00:01:37,770 --> 00:01:42,930 missed you. It was a ghost town podcast index dot social known 27 00:01:42,930 --> 00:01:46,800 with doing anything. It was it was like everything just stopped 28 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,710 just Oh Dave's not here, man. All right. So I'll do gave 29 00:01:49,709 --> 00:01:52,739 everybody we gave everybody permission to take the week off. 30 00:01:53,460 --> 00:01:56,190 Is that what Okay? That's a sabbatical. 31 00:01:56,820 --> 00:01:59,160 After a year and a half he gets a sabbatical. 32 00:01:59,490 --> 00:02:02,430 How was how was your vacation? You went to tell us great. You 33 00:02:02,430 --> 00:02:05,220 went to Universal or did Universal 34 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:10,140 Orlando. Universal Studios Orlando. And we have never been 35 00:02:10,140 --> 00:02:16,680 and we plan this trip like so. We had planned to to send my 36 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:21,240 kids my My oldest is she's 20. And then again, our 20 year old 37 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:30,930 19 year old. So for sort of like a combo senior thing and like 38 00:02:30,930 --> 00:02:33,360 just they're old enough and we're going to give them this 39 00:02:33,390 --> 00:02:37,080 this gift for for Christmas of we're really close to Orlando 40 00:02:37,110 --> 00:02:40,230 enough to Florida so you can dry it's very drivable. So we're 41 00:02:40,230 --> 00:02:44,400 like, Okay, we're gonna give you all this trip. And we bought 42 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:48,210 them some tickets to universal and then they were going to go 43 00:02:48,210 --> 00:02:53,040 and this was in December of 2019. So Wow. Yeah, they Yeah, 44 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:54,900 they get to take isn't your thing. And then like, by the 45 00:02:54,900 --> 00:02:58,890 time they seriously before school was out COVID hit? Yeah. 46 00:02:58,890 --> 00:03:02,790 So they never did the whole thing fell apart in it. So we 47 00:03:02,790 --> 00:03:05,880 were like, Well, why don't we? We have we haven't personally 48 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:10,830 been on a family vacation in about three years. So we went to 49 00:03:10,890 --> 00:03:13,590 they were like, let's just do it all together. So we all went and 50 00:03:13,590 --> 00:03:17,580 it was man, we had a blast. Oh, nice. Oh, it was so fun. And I 51 00:03:17,580 --> 00:03:21,270 can tell you this. As far as COVID goes, Florida's Florida 52 00:03:21,270 --> 00:03:25,080 does not care about COVID anymore. I mean, they have just 53 00:03:25,110 --> 00:03:27,180 forgotten that whole thing even exists. They 54 00:03:27,180 --> 00:03:30,180 also have the lowest case positivity rate in the nation. 55 00:03:31,110 --> 00:03:34,620 Interestingly, interestingly enough, 56 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,160 I can tell you this what it It ain't because of masks because 57 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,730 we I didn't see him. I saw maybe a grand total of 100 masks the 58 00:03:41,730 --> 00:03:44,670 entire week that we were there doesn't just need me in like 59 00:03:44,670 --> 00:03:45,330 sardines. 60 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:49,410 Do the parks there do they make you put on the RFID bracelet? 61 00:03:50,700 --> 00:03:55,530 No, that's that's those Disney only Yeah, this is a universal 62 00:03:55,530 --> 00:03:57,660 studios that didn't they don't they really don't have anything 63 00:03:57,660 --> 00:04:02,610 like that? Yeah. No, it was just man. It was great. Yeah, road 64 00:04:02,670 --> 00:04:06,360 road roller coasters that I'm too old to ride. But you're tall 65 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:10,890 enough myself. Yeah. Yeah. No, it was it was great, man. We had 66 00:04:10,890 --> 00:04:14,010 a good time. It was nice to it's just nice to be away for a while 67 00:04:14,490 --> 00:04:17,610 in focus. You know, cuz my 20 year old she moved. She moved 68 00:04:17,610 --> 00:04:21,660 out of the house. Or three weeks ago. Oh, really? Four weeks ago. 69 00:04:21,660 --> 00:04:27,690 She Well, she's still in town here. But she just she's just 70 00:04:27,690 --> 00:04:29,970 like, you know, I'm out of here. I want to 71 00:04:30,150 --> 00:04:35,820 I want to have someone come over and hang out and party. Minds. 72 00:04:35,820 --> 00:04:38,790 31 days this I get to do this for you for a long time. 73 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:44,100 I didn't ask for that. Well, we think about these things. 74 00:04:44,130 --> 00:04:46,590 Well, I'm serious. Oh, man, we really miss you. You're such a 75 00:04:46,590 --> 00:04:50,100 driving force behind everything that people should be boosting 76 00:04:50,100 --> 00:04:54,780 this show right now. To get Dave out of his current employment. 77 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,050 We need your full time man. When is your full time 78 00:05:02,669 --> 00:05:06,689 anyway, I guess somehow got the Umbral app. Done there was 79 00:05:06,929 --> 00:05:11,339 that and yes, I mean, it's now it hasn't been okay first of 80 00:05:11,339 --> 00:05:16,019 all, the Umbral app is heli pad and heavy pad is very exciting 81 00:05:16,859 --> 00:05:20,549 piece of software Dave has been working on and that is so that 82 00:05:20,549 --> 00:05:24,029 you can read booster grams if you're using an Umbral you can 83 00:05:24,059 --> 00:05:26,759 read the booster grams as they come in, accompanied by a little 84 00:05:26,759 --> 00:05:32,549 pew. Yeah, I think I think I must have that pew pew. Yeah, I 85 00:05:32,549 --> 00:05:36,899 gotta have the Pew somewhere. Yes. So it's just one of these 86 00:05:36,899 --> 00:05:42,509 little that's basically it. And then you know that this is a new 87 00:05:42,509 --> 00:05:47,669 booster grant. And it's been fantastic. Because I've been 88 00:05:47,669 --> 00:05:51,989 running it for I think two weeks now. Maybe? No, no. Yes. Do you 89 00:05:51,989 --> 00:05:55,829 have it hooked up to you? So I have with Adam curry, and I 90 00:05:55,829 --> 00:05:59,939 released an episode with Texas slim. So that all goes to that 91 00:05:59,939 --> 00:06:08,939 node 5% of what is it? I have a small split just for testing. 92 00:06:08,969 --> 00:06:12,899 Oh, the MO facts just like he just so I can get the boosted 93 00:06:12,899 --> 00:06:16,589 Rams in the studio. And then I have a small split on the no 94 00:06:16,589 --> 00:06:20,939 agenda feed which you know, that all goes to the index anyway. So 95 00:06:21,449 --> 00:06:24,239 so I can get the no agenda boosts which people are boosting 96 00:06:24,299 --> 00:06:27,269 unrequested, which is kind of cool. 97 00:06:27,810 --> 00:06:30,780 Yeah, that is cool. Because I see those go through sometimes 98 00:06:30,780 --> 00:06:33,870 when somebody will do an all parties boost. And I'll see him 99 00:06:33,870 --> 00:06:36,540 I'm like, they're their booster sending booster grants with 100 00:06:36,540 --> 00:06:38,820 messages. And then I guess they don't realize that nobody can 101 00:06:38,820 --> 00:06:41,070 see me they don't care, or well, I 102 00:06:41,070 --> 00:06:45,330 can see him now. So now I can see it. I got a really cool. And 103 00:06:45,660 --> 00:06:48,660 I had a great experience. Actually, I'm sorry. Do you mind 104 00:06:48,660 --> 00:06:51,090 if I just do divert for a second, then we'll come back to 105 00:06:51,090 --> 00:06:51,870 helipad. And 106 00:06:52,590 --> 00:06:55,110 I would love for you to tell me about great experience, please. 107 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:01,110 I started a new podcast, completely fresh, completely 108 00:07:01,110 --> 00:07:07,680 podcasting. 2.0 So only submitted to podcast index. It 109 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,910 will be only value for value. It's a curry in the keeper. 110 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:16,380 Guaranteed not to be in the Apple top podcast List of 2022. 111 00:07:16,410 --> 00:07:20,580 It's definitely not. And it was really an interesting 112 00:07:20,580 --> 00:07:26,190 experience. Because we we launched it. I tried to add it 113 00:07:26,250 --> 00:07:28,770 through my pod pairing script, but I guess it doesn't have the 114 00:07:28,770 --> 00:07:30,540 right pipe juice or whatever. 115 00:07:32,190 --> 00:07:37,080 We don't pick it up directly we Chris. Chris picks that up and 116 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:38,520 then in circles it back around. 117 00:07:39,030 --> 00:07:42,600 Is that is that? Oh, okay. So is that why? Why it was in there 118 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:43,200 twice. 119 00:07:44,910 --> 00:07:49,590 That is because there's two routes to to the to all of your 120 00:07:49,590 --> 00:07:53,430 feeds. All of your feeds have two possible URLs, they can all 121 00:07:53,430 --> 00:07:58,620 go through mp3. Or or feed or feed. Yeah. Okay. 122 00:08:00,300 --> 00:08:04,980 Anyway, so we launch and then you know, I post on Twitter, no 123 00:08:04,980 --> 00:08:11,130 agenda social. And a number of people immediately said, Oh, 124 00:08:11,130 --> 00:08:14,190 it's not on my podcast app yet. Wow. What an opportunity. Oh, 125 00:08:14,250 --> 00:08:17,160 it's okay. Because it probably won't me because it's not 126 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:21,930 podcasting. 2.0 compatible. And go to new podcast apps calm so 127 00:08:21,930 --> 00:08:25,320 we got we onboard a lot of people but also right away. 128 00:08:25,740 --> 00:08:31,260 Within minutes of release. We see SATs coming in we see 129 00:08:31,260 --> 00:08:35,670 booster grams coming in. Nice sense that gives you such a 130 00:08:35,670 --> 00:08:40,620 satisfactory experience. It's like man, people are listening 131 00:08:40,620 --> 00:08:44,100 to it right now. I mean, this is what was on the radio. You 132 00:08:44,100 --> 00:08:46,530 wanted to know if people is anyone out there is anyone 133 00:08:46,530 --> 00:08:49,620 listening? And you know it you know that someone's literally 134 00:08:49,620 --> 00:08:51,990 listening at that moment, and then they send stuff back. I 135 00:08:51,990 --> 00:08:56,010 even got a note from Steven B. From curio Casta. He's like 136 00:08:56,100 --> 00:08:59,520 writing the whole story to me in a booster gram. So it was a 137 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:04,860 great experience. We're going to keep it all 2.0 We do it on the 138 00:09:04,860 --> 00:09:06,600 alternate weeks when I do mo facts. 139 00:09:08,250 --> 00:09:11,280 Cool. I haven't listened to it. I'm eager to listen to it that 140 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:15,510 I've heard I've heard that Tina is a natural born pocket. Oh 141 00:09:15,510 --> 00:09:21,210 my god and and I hooked her up. I set her up on the Bill 142 00:09:21,210 --> 00:09:24,660 Davidson. Bill Davidson helped build that Hi should know this 143 00:09:24,660 --> 00:09:29,580 bill. Helman Bill Hellman I think he gave me anointment TM 144 00:09:29,610 --> 00:09:30,930 TLM 103 145 00:09:31,950 --> 00:09:34,530 That's like a serious expensive microphone. Yes, 146 00:09:34,530 --> 00:09:39,660 that's like $900 or something to craziest mic and fortina This 147 00:09:39,660 --> 00:09:44,910 thing is made for her. See for me, it's like I'm spitting all 148 00:09:44,910 --> 00:09:49,410 over this thing. She likes to you know, she she's not. I'm a 149 00:09:49,410 --> 00:09:53,250 DJ guy. Right? So I I'm blasting into the pipe in front of my 150 00:09:53,250 --> 00:09:55,710 face. And she's kind of like moving around a little bit and 151 00:09:55,710 --> 00:09:57,930 that mic sounds so good, man. Ah, 152 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:03,990 is that is that a condenser? Yeah. Oh wow. So it's real. It's 153 00:10:03,990 --> 00:10:04,860 real sensitive then. 154 00:10:05,130 --> 00:10:09,630 Yeah, but it's in fact, I don't have a windscreen. So she dug up 155 00:10:09,660 --> 00:10:17,940 a pantyhose from 1998 I think. And we cut off, cut off the toe, 156 00:10:18,900 --> 00:10:22,650 cut off, cut off a toe and then put it put it put it up over 157 00:10:22,650 --> 00:10:31,050 them like she's the $1,000 Mic. And then anyway so that was such 158 00:10:31,050 --> 00:10:35,760 a good experience because of Heli pad. Because we're and it 159 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:41,280 reminds me of the movie. Gosh, didn't I? I sent that to you. 160 00:10:42,450 --> 00:10:46,860 Oh, yeah, the the most the name that middlemen? middlemen? Yes. 161 00:10:46,860 --> 00:10:50,730 The guys who started the very first credit card processing 162 00:10:50,730 --> 00:10:54,810 company for porn sites. It's a great move her to this movie. 163 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,690 Oh, you have to watch this movie. It's a great movie. So 164 00:10:57,690 --> 00:10:59,820 there's this I'll put it in the show notes. There's this scene. 165 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,730 And they then they set it up where? Okay, so people going to 166 00:11:02,730 --> 00:11:05,550 prod and they're in a shitty ass apartment. They're drunk. 167 00:11:05,550 --> 00:11:09,510 They're doing coke. It's like it's a real mess. And but they 168 00:11:09,510 --> 00:11:12,900 have this buzzer hooked up. So every single time someone uses a 169 00:11:12,900 --> 00:11:15,570 transaction which was like you know, it's like 10 bucks for 170 00:11:15,570 --> 00:11:19,320 them or something so outrageous amount above 99 Yeah buzzer 171 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,930 would go and and then all sudden, that middle of the night 172 00:11:21,930 --> 00:11:26,400 like and that's exactly the experience with with the it's 173 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:31,680 like, oh, I'm like oh my god, people are listening. They love 174 00:11:31,680 --> 00:11:33,810 us. We're popular. We're famous. 175 00:11:34,260 --> 00:11:38,550 We're popular. Yeah, that now we just need different you know, we 176 00:11:38,550 --> 00:11:40,530 just need different ones like they did it like they did in the 177 00:11:40,530 --> 00:11:47,460 movie where like different kinds of porn Yes, you get a peer for 178 00:11:47,460 --> 00:11:51,000 a boost and you get you know, you get a new boost. You get the 179 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,130 call a bear full thing if you get a booster. 180 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:58,140 Yeah, and if it's above 10,000 SATs, you would do something 181 00:11:58,140 --> 00:12:05,850 else you get like 20 blades on the Impala it's super fun. In 182 00:12:05,850 --> 00:12:09,540 fact, we were the man I got a Windows Update and I'd re 183 00:12:09,540 --> 00:12:13,560 installed drivers and and then my monitor wouldn't go on. And 184 00:12:13,560 --> 00:12:16,800 while we're doing all this I hear from the kitchen I hear pew 185 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:21,390 like yeah, I may be frustrated with the gear right now. But pew 186 00:12:21,420 --> 00:12:25,740 pew away. That's great. Okay, so that's what heli pad is. That's 187 00:12:25,740 --> 00:12:29,280 the excitement of Heli pad. It will it I mean, you can run it 188 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:33,570 on. On Umbral, right? It only runs on Umbral or this thing. 189 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:34,080 Can you also 190 00:12:35,910 --> 00:12:38,880 run anywhere? It's it's yeah, it's it's standalone. So there's 191 00:12:38,910 --> 00:12:41,190 there's instructions on there, how to run it, you can run it, 192 00:12:41,430 --> 00:12:45,990 like three different ways you can run it on Umbral you either 193 00:12:46,050 --> 00:12:50,820 either a PC based on brull or the Raspberry Pi Umbral. You can 194 00:12:50,820 --> 00:12:54,780 run it just as a straight Docker image. There's an image, the 195 00:12:54,780 --> 00:12:59,190 Docker image for it is on Docker Hub. And you can look in if you 196 00:12:59,190 --> 00:13:04,560 look in the repo you'll see prints to the image. And then 197 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,700 you get so you can just do a docker run there. Or you can 198 00:13:08,700 --> 00:13:11,940 just download and give download and compile the binaries 199 00:13:11,940 --> 00:13:12,510 yourself. 200 00:13:13,470 --> 00:13:16,800 It just needs like a macaroon access to your node. Is that it? 201 00:13:18,210 --> 00:13:24,090 Yes. So if you if you run it on the Umbral, it, it looks, it has 202 00:13:24,090 --> 00:13:27,360 a lot of fallbacks that it tries to run, what it wants to do is 203 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,180 run on Omro first, so it wants to assume that it's running on a 204 00:13:30,180 --> 00:13:33,060 mobile device. And in that in that mode, it's going to look 205 00:13:33,060 --> 00:13:39,360 for a environment variable called lnd underscore URL. And 206 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,810 that's going to be the full your fully qualified domain name of 207 00:13:42,810 --> 00:13:48,780 your of your node your lightning node. Colon the port number, 208 00:13:48,780 --> 00:13:57,600 which is always 10,009. So then, if it if it doesn't see that 209 00:13:57,690 --> 00:14:03,900 environment variable excuse me, I'm sorry. Okay, that's, that's 210 00:14:03,900 --> 00:14:07,170 that's what it wants for the, for the environment. If it 211 00:14:07,170 --> 00:14:10,080 doesn't see it, I believe it falls back to localhost. 212 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:15,270 Assuming it's running on the same device as the lightning 213 00:14:15,270 --> 00:14:22,410 node. It also wants a the macaroon admin dot macaroon and 214 00:14:22,410 --> 00:14:26,220 the TLS cert, it wants to find those two things. For people who 215 00:14:26,220 --> 00:14:30,210 don't know a lot about lightning this. So the macaroons are the 216 00:14:30,210 --> 00:14:35,340 permission system for accessing the API's that are built into a 217 00:14:35,340 --> 00:14:40,530 lightning node? So if you if you access any part of a lightning 218 00:14:40,530 --> 00:14:42,960 node API that has restrictions on it, you're gonna need a 219 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:47,880 macaroon. So you can have like a read only macaroon. You can have 220 00:14:47,970 --> 00:14:51,690 a full admin guide mode you can have in there's lots you can 221 00:14:51,690 --> 00:14:54,780 just set up you can bait with a call bake a macaroon that has 222 00:14:54,780 --> 00:14:58,740 all these, it has your set permission levels in it. Save 223 00:14:58,740 --> 00:15:03,420 that thing to a file Then Then you send that macro along with 224 00:15:03,420 --> 00:15:06,720 your API requests. And that's what allows you to do those 225 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,770 things, right. So that ad was looking by default for an admin 226 00:15:10,770 --> 00:15:16,200 dot macaroon. And it's going to look for it in the natural 227 00:15:16,230 --> 00:15:21,390 Umbral lnd path for that, which is some long path, then it's 228 00:15:21,390 --> 00:15:25,020 also going to look for the TLS dot cert. And that's different 229 00:15:25,020 --> 00:15:31,860 for permissions. This is this is security. So I mean, encryption. 230 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,550 So the admin macaroon gives you permission to access the API, 231 00:15:35,550 --> 00:15:39,780 the TLS cert, is your transport layer security that gives that 232 00:15:39,780 --> 00:15:42,360 encrypts the communication so that nobody can imagine in the 233 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:46,500 middle, you are ease drop. So it needs both of those files, it 234 00:15:46,500 --> 00:15:49,590 expects them to both be in the exact places that they are on a 235 00:15:49,590 --> 00:15:53,040 number of by default, if they're not, if it doesn't find them 236 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,440 there, it will look for them in the directory that you're 237 00:15:55,440 --> 00:16:00,510 running hella pad from sort of fall backs. But by default, it 238 00:16:00,510 --> 00:16:02,880 wants all this stuff to be set up to run in an Umbral 239 00:16:02,910 --> 00:16:07,200 environment. If that's not the case, then all you have to do is 240 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:11,010 just set set that environment variable, if you're going to be 241 00:16:11,010 --> 00:16:13,320 accessing something like let's just say that your node is 242 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:18,420 running in a wrong voltage, you would set your lnd underscore 243 00:16:18,420 --> 00:16:23,460 URL environment variable to the URL that of your voltage 244 00:16:23,490 --> 00:16:26,430 lightning node, then you would say go to your voltage 245 00:16:26,430 --> 00:16:31,050 dashboard, save that admin that macaroon into TLS dot cert to 246 00:16:31,050 --> 00:16:33,510 the folder where Hello Pat where you downloaded and compiled 247 00:16:33,510 --> 00:16:37,140 Hello, Pat, then you can run it. And then everything was 248 00:16:37,140 --> 00:16:39,810 pretty cool. You put all those fallbacks in there, so everybody 249 00:16:39,810 --> 00:16:43,770 can use it, not just Umbral users. So that's quite a bit of 250 00:16:43,770 --> 00:16:45,090 extra work sounds like 251 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,590 Well, one of the one thing that frustrates me and I'm sure many, 252 00:16:49,590 --> 00:16:54,180 many people is that you find you find a piece of software a lot 253 00:16:54,180 --> 00:17:01,590 of times that work for you. And it's not flexible, it has these 254 00:17:01,620 --> 00:17:04,860 hard D sort of hard requirements. This says you 255 00:17:04,860 --> 00:17:06,660 know, you're gonna have to you're gonna have to do things 256 00:17:06,660 --> 00:17:10,950 this way. And that's just, it's just annoying, you know, and you 257 00:17:10,950 --> 00:17:14,160 want to be able to hear that you don't want to jump through a 258 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,620 whole lot of hoops so you want to be able to just say, okay, 259 00:17:16,620 --> 00:17:21,240 like if I had, like you're on a raspy Blitz, for instance, if 260 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:28,410 you're on a raspy Blitz, you should be able to download the 261 00:17:28,470 --> 00:17:32,280 the the the repo you should be able to clone the the Hello pad 262 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:37,650 repo to your raspy Blitz, compile it and I believe you 263 00:17:37,650 --> 00:17:42,270 should just be able to run it without specifying anything 264 00:17:42,870 --> 00:17:48,420 because your local host is going to be where the raspy bullets 265 00:17:48,870 --> 00:17:54,480 lnd note is listening and the lnd pads are the same as they 266 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,410 are in the Umbral I think so somebody some that'd be a good 267 00:17:58,410 --> 00:18:01,470 thing for somebody to try that has raspy Blitz is download it. 268 00:18:01,500 --> 00:18:03,900 See if it'll just run right out the box. If it won't, 269 00:18:04,020 --> 00:18:08,160 yeah, I'm afraid, I'm afraid. Okay, 270 00:18:08,670 --> 00:18:13,800 the most you should have to do is just maybe tweak. You would 271 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,790 have to like save your admin dot macaroni new TLS cert to that 272 00:18:17,790 --> 00:18:20,340 folder. But anyway, lots of fallbacks. It should be very 273 00:18:20,340 --> 00:18:24,270 flexible. Yeah. Anybody who knows anybody who kind of 274 00:18:24,270 --> 00:18:26,370 understands a little bit about the way the lightning stuff 275 00:18:26,370 --> 00:18:31,290 works, should be able to run this without too much trouble at 276 00:18:31,290 --> 00:18:31,620 all. 277 00:18:32,490 --> 00:18:35,820 Okay, so can I already start talking about the next version? 278 00:18:37,980 --> 00:18:40,500 I mean, I expected nothing less. Yeah. Or she can? Yes. 279 00:18:40,590 --> 00:18:43,080 Well, so there's a couple of this. There's a bug there's one 280 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:48,060 bug and I believe I believe there's there's someone sending 281 00:18:49,530 --> 00:18:51,870 streaming payments and I think they're coming through as 282 00:18:51,870 --> 00:18:56,490 booster grams. And it's real. It's like one set amounts that 283 00:18:56,490 --> 00:18:59,280 that that's not a booster gram, or boosts coming 284 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:03,270 through in the in the hell pad? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, really? That's 285 00:19:03,270 --> 00:19:06,480 weird. Yeah. What is it the same app every time? 286 00:19:06,900 --> 00:19:09,420 Doesn't tell me which app doesn't tell me who it is. 287 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:12,090 Now that's really weird. 288 00:19:12,090 --> 00:19:13,470 Hold on, let me just check harnessed 289 00:19:16,950 --> 00:19:18,120 wonder, yeah, 290 00:19:19,350 --> 00:19:22,410 it does. It doesn't give me an app listing. It doesn't tell me 291 00:19:22,410 --> 00:19:25,950 who it's from. And it just has an amount and tells me it tells 292 00:19:25,950 --> 00:19:27,600 me the podcast that it was for. 293 00:19:28,710 --> 00:19:31,680 Which podcasts was at war in Korea and the keeper 294 00:19:33,090 --> 00:19:40,920 huh? That's odd. Right. It's Miss anyway. So that's something 295 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,980 we need to troubleshoot. We can we'll get into that. So 296 00:19:43,980 --> 00:19:44,850 something's wrong there. 297 00:19:44,850 --> 00:19:47,310 I need your date. I need your database is what I need. Yes, 298 00:19:47,310 --> 00:19:47,670 sure. Once 299 00:19:47,669 --> 00:19:49,649 you have my Home Node, man, just take all my money. 300 00:19:50,459 --> 00:19:52,169 Just send it to me just box. 301 00:19:53,250 --> 00:19:59,640 Zip it. I'll zip up my whole note. Zip this just a CSV. I 302 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:03,000 mean, there's all kinds of fancy interface shit we can do give me 303 00:20:03,030 --> 00:20:09,300 a CSV file, so I can just use that to sort and to use for show 304 00:20:09,300 --> 00:20:13,710 purposes. Okay, right and right now, this is the dream, you 305 00:20:13,710 --> 00:20:16,230 know, this is the oh my god, look at the ship coming in, but 306 00:20:16,230 --> 00:20:21,150 then I just want to be able to export to CSV, load it up, and 307 00:20:21,150 --> 00:20:24,150 then manipulate it from there because, you know, it just makes 308 00:20:24,150 --> 00:20:29,010 no sense for me to spend a lot of interface work on at least 309 00:20:29,010 --> 00:20:32,910 right now. So people can sort that for a show. I mean, and 310 00:20:32,940 --> 00:20:36,570 anyone can do those. I would expect other people to be doing 311 00:20:36,570 --> 00:20:37,260 that actually. 312 00:20:38,310 --> 00:20:40,530 Yeah, I would think so too. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. 313 00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:42,750 So congratulations master 314 00:20:42,750 --> 00:20:46,140 not Did you submit things? Yeah, yeah. submitted to this morning. 315 00:20:46,410 --> 00:20:50,730 So how long will this take now before I have no idea is up in 316 00:20:50,730 --> 00:20:54,300 their store? That should be and then when it shows up? I presume 317 00:20:54,300 --> 00:20:58,710 I'm going to uninstall my my current version and then upgrade 318 00:20:58,710 --> 00:21:01,380 I just installed this one, right? Yes, that's 319 00:21:01,380 --> 00:21:04,980 right. And so the, the way that the unreal stuff works is you 320 00:21:04,980 --> 00:21:10,860 submit you you package it as a you wait, you say it, how would 321 00:21:10,860 --> 00:21:14,790 you say that compile a compile a Docker image or build a build, 322 00:21:14,820 --> 00:21:17,880 build a Docker image, build a Docker image with the executable 323 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:22,020 and upload it to Docker Hub. Then you build a Docker compose 324 00:21:22,050 --> 00:21:28,980 file, which references that image on Docker Hub. And you you 325 00:21:28,980 --> 00:21:34,200 submit that in your pull request, you submit that Docker 326 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:38,130 compose file in your pull request to Umbral and so the 327 00:21:38,130 --> 00:21:41,010 next time that they do an official Umbral release, I guess 328 00:21:41,010 --> 00:21:43,830 it'll be like maybe five Dotto? Yeah, I'm not sure I think 329 00:21:43,830 --> 00:21:50,070 they're okay. That Docker compose file will be in their 330 00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:51,120 apps directory, 331 00:21:51,150 --> 00:21:55,320 and then and then when you start up, it's it. No, it sees the the 332 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,320 yml goes, Okay, got a load a new container. 333 00:21:58,890 --> 00:22:03,150 Exactly. Yeah. So that for net, they said that they're working 334 00:22:03,150 --> 00:22:07,260 on a way to independently install apps that are like out 335 00:22:07,260 --> 00:22:11,340 of cycle have their own release cycle. That'll be good because 336 00:22:11,370 --> 00:22:14,250 you want to wait for a new release. So whenever they do 337 00:22:14,250 --> 00:22:17,760 another Umbra release, that's when the app will be available. 338 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,820 Good. Well, they seem to be doing a about a release a week 339 00:22:20,820 --> 00:22:21,570 these days. 340 00:22:22,260 --> 00:22:25,410 That was it that fast? Okay, well, the 4.8 341 00:22:25,470 --> 00:22:28,710 they have so many No, it's I think it's 449 I haven't 342 00:22:28,710 --> 00:22:33,930 upgraded yet but they have so many bugs. I look I was Oh 343 00:22:33,930 --> 00:22:38,370 looked at says four Oh dot four nine available up upgrade now. 344 00:22:38,370 --> 00:22:40,650 I'm like no, I'm gonna look at the telegram channel if you 345 00:22:40,650 --> 00:22:43,590 don't mind for a second. Let me see what horrible stories are 346 00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:46,920 there? Lost my channels lost for Bitcoin. 347 00:22:48,180 --> 00:22:51,480 Oh, crap. No, no. Is that tell me that's not true. 348 00:22:51,510 --> 00:22:59,010 Now there was a security issue. And I I uninstalled thunder hub. 349 00:22:59,940 --> 00:23:02,670 Because I saw what was going on. I'm like, This doesn't make any 350 00:23:02,670 --> 00:23:06,570 sense. So you install the thunder hub, Thunder hub app 351 00:23:06,570 --> 00:23:09,990 from the App Store. And then it gave you initially it gave 352 00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:13,740 everybody the same default password which was money printer 353 00:23:13,740 --> 00:23:20,250 go ver so that so if someone if someone somehow had gotten your 354 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:28,230 your you know, if you open that through tour, and that tour 355 00:23:28,260 --> 00:23:32,100 communication leaked out which I here's what happened, you know, 356 00:23:32,100 --> 00:23:36,450 there was some leaky tour stuff. Then if anyone has that exact 357 00:23:36,450 --> 00:23:39,810 URL, they already know the password and so people drain 358 00:23:39,810 --> 00:23:44,400 some wallets. And then the solution that they had is now 359 00:23:44,970 --> 00:23:50,100 when you when you start up, that was the four points, the 4.8 360 00:23:50,130 --> 00:23:53,850 upgrade, I think when you when you fire up the container, it 361 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,930 hashes and creates a unique password for your install. 362 00:23:59,100 --> 00:24:01,560 Okay, yes, the way to do it. Yeah, that's the correct way. 363 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:06,840 Yeah. Yeah, I see that on here that have months. I must be on 364 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:11,970 4.8 Because mine says 4.9 is now available to install. Should I 365 00:24:11,970 --> 00:24:12,570 install it now? 366 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:19,140 No, let's not do that. Oh, I had a nice so I'm here to tell you 367 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,870 that not a single one of these podcast device makers has their 368 00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:28,740 head on straight. Okay, and it's getting pretty aggressive. Yes, 369 00:24:28,740 --> 00:24:33,990 it's getting progressively worse. I ordered i and I've been 370 00:24:34,020 --> 00:24:37,560 looking all over. I'm always on top of stuff. I'd actually kind 371 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,740 of miss the release of this particular box. The Antelope 372 00:24:40,770 --> 00:24:49,620 Audio, synergy go which looks so promising. I mean, and and so 373 00:24:49,620 --> 00:24:53,670 it's, in essence, another audio interface with a mixer software 374 00:24:53,670 --> 00:25:01,290 mixer. And you can set up all the things I need. noise gate 375 00:25:01,290 --> 00:25:08,520 compressor limiter, EQ, etc. That's a very pretty box. And 376 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:13,080 what's nice about it is these are all modeled plugins. So you 377 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:17,820 can use like a Neve compressor, and they've modeled in software, 378 00:25:17,850 --> 00:25:20,850 the Neve compressor and you buy it, you know, it comes with, it 379 00:25:20,850 --> 00:25:24,420 comes with 37 plugins included. So there was enough the ones you 380 00:25:24,420 --> 00:25:29,010 want. No, no, it was absolutely the ones I want. But once again, 381 00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:33,930 these assholes have introduced the concept of the loopback 382 00:25:33,930 --> 00:25:38,580 loopback interface, this is the biggest mistake, because you 383 00:25:38,580 --> 00:25:46,530 cannot process the total signal going into your USB chain. And, 384 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,280 and I thought this one, you could reroute, and you could do 385 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:55,320 it again. So the concept is, on my microphone, I have no EQ 386 00:25:55,320 --> 00:26:01,050 noise gate, compressor limiter. And then on clean feed, which I 387 00:26:01,050 --> 00:26:04,800 get from you, I have the same and you know, that's where a lot 388 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,850 of my a lot of my sound comes from. And there's a very light 389 00:26:08,850 --> 00:26:11,280 compressor limiter over the clips just to make sure I don't 390 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,180 have to do too much fading. And then over the end signal, the 391 00:26:15,180 --> 00:26:22,410 Master Mix there, I can also put in different signal processing, 392 00:26:22,410 --> 00:26:26,760 such as compressor limiter, and you need to have some final 393 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,200 complete some final processing before it goes into your 394 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,370 headphones before it goes into the recording device, etc. And 395 00:26:35,370 --> 00:26:36,660 none of them can do tell me 396 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:41,400 why. So why the if you're, if your compressor limiter and 397 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,870 noise gating all the inputs, why do you need that? Why do you 398 00:26:45,870 --> 00:26:49,200 need the same? Like the same thing on the outputs? Well, 399 00:26:50,340 --> 00:26:56,100 okay, this is audio production law. Okay. Okay. It's in, it's 400 00:26:56,100 --> 00:26:59,850 in the audio production constitution. Now. So even 401 00:26:59,850 --> 00:27:05,070 though, so the compression, compression and, and sound 402 00:27:05,070 --> 00:27:09,420 limiting is not just four levels, which is how it's always 403 00:27:09,420 --> 00:27:12,960 explained. So you don't over modulate, when you really, when 404 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,660 you pump something in there to three to one ratio, you can 405 00:27:15,660 --> 00:27:19,860 really start to to create an effect and then that affects how 406 00:27:19,860 --> 00:27:24,180 your EQ is put in. And that's how you make sound. And it 407 00:27:24,180 --> 00:27:26,730 doesn't matter if it's a podcast or in the studio. I mean, this 408 00:27:26,730 --> 00:27:30,570 is this is why you do this. So then you have all these sources. 409 00:27:31,020 --> 00:27:35,340 And you want to create a nice luscious mix of those. And it's 410 00:27:35,340 --> 00:27:41,310 not just it's not just about the about the volume levels, or the 411 00:27:41,310 --> 00:27:45,060 audio levels, it's how the processor itself starts to 412 00:27:45,060 --> 00:27:50,610 intermingle these different sources. And that is like so I'm 413 00:27:50,610 --> 00:27:56,610 very partial to a FET compressor limiter on a on a very, very 414 00:27:56,610 --> 00:28:01,590 slow mode on the total signal. Anyway, as I've gone through all 415 00:28:01,590 --> 00:28:04,260 these boxes now and this one actually, I am going to keep 416 00:28:04,260 --> 00:28:08,640 this one because I'm hooking it up to my Theramin so I can make 417 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,090 it sound like an electric guitar. So and I put the auto 418 00:28:12,090 --> 00:28:17,460 tuner in there, you know, so I don't have to. Yeah, I'm putting 419 00:28:17,460 --> 00:28:19,920 the auto tune in there. Oh, yeah. You wait, I'll be I'll be 420 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:25,740 playing fucking Beethoven before you know. And Led Zeppelin solo 421 00:28:25,740 --> 00:28:29,880 for Freebird Oh, yeah. You wait, is it by the by the next board 422 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,810 meeting I'll be able to do Freebird. And so I'm, I'm 423 00:28:33,810 --> 00:28:37,710 keeping it for for that. But then I'm like, I got got the 424 00:28:37,710 --> 00:28:41,850 bug, right. I want better more what can we get? So I go to 425 00:28:41,850 --> 00:28:46,290 Motu, I use a Mark of the Unicorn hybrid mark four, which 426 00:28:46,290 --> 00:28:49,620 has been discontinued, they now have the hybrid Mark five. And 427 00:28:49,620 --> 00:28:52,710 lo and behold, it's like they're all using the same chipset from 428 00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:57,060 China, which I'm sure they are. And it does not they you can no 429 00:28:57,060 --> 00:29:00,030 longer because they've Oh, we have loopback. So this mix that 430 00:29:00,030 --> 00:29:04,620 you can send it straight to USB. Yeah. But I need to process it 431 00:29:04,620 --> 00:29:08,640 first before it goes into USB. And they remove that. 432 00:29:08,910 --> 00:29:11,730 Let me get this straight that you're there next generation. 433 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:16,350 You have the MO two four, which does this Yes. And they're next 434 00:29:16,350 --> 00:29:20,430 generation replacement for the MK two for the MO to five 435 00:29:21,270 --> 00:29:22,050 removes this 436 00:29:22,050 --> 00:29:27,120 feature. Yes. And what they did is they they Okay, so this 437 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,680 device is was really meant even the mark four was really meant 438 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:36,000 for four different mixes in a live environment or studio. So 439 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,290 you can have a stage mix, you can have a monitor mix, you can 440 00:29:40,290 --> 00:29:43,830 have the the mixers mix, you can have all these different mixes, 441 00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:47,220 and you can process all those mixes and all those outputs. But 442 00:29:47,220 --> 00:29:50,700 what the mark four does is it allows you to send a mix to a 443 00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:54,540 buss so you basically have a sub mix, and then you can use that 444 00:29:54,540 --> 00:30:01,710 sub mix in another mix. So it's recursive. So So in my case, I 445 00:30:01,710 --> 00:30:09,060 would be sending my microphone mix to a bus. And, and that bus 446 00:30:09,330 --> 00:30:12,960 receives other inputs from you and from the players. And then 447 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,580 it has some processing and that bus goes into the USB. And you 448 00:30:17,580 --> 00:30:20,520 can do that with the mark four. But now they've they, they no 449 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,920 longer allow the routing, they've tried to make it simple. 450 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:27,210 So it's still basically a stage monitoring device. But now 451 00:30:27,210 --> 00:30:30,540 they've they've seen the light is like, oh, and we've added 452 00:30:30,750 --> 00:30:35,790 loopback, a loopback interface, which means they've removed the 453 00:30:35,790 --> 00:30:40,710 busing concept and they've just given you a way to send a mix to 454 00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:45,810 a USB device, but not the way it's supposed to go. And so you 455 00:30:45,810 --> 00:30:48,330 can't even do it. You can't even do it anymore. 456 00:30:49,710 --> 00:30:54,150 You've got so you've got the Motu in for four by four. 457 00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:56,940 No, the Ultralight mark for 458 00:30:57,870 --> 00:31:01,710 ultralight mark for okay, because I'm thinking that you 459 00:31:01,710 --> 00:31:07,470 know, what you have to do at this point is go and buy two 460 00:31:07,470 --> 00:31:11,880 more of those off eBay. Stick them in the freezer, just in 461 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,880 case. Yeah, I mean, you gotta have a, you're gonna have to 462 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,140 have a plan B. 463 00:31:16,170 --> 00:31:18,480 You got to get a good point there, brother. 464 00:31:19,140 --> 00:31:21,780 Yeah, that is discontinued this thing. You're screwed. 465 00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:26,820 Maybe I just buy them all up for cheap. And then resell them 466 00:31:26,820 --> 00:31:30,120 completely configured pod father approve little magic marker 467 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,720 signature, a little sharp white Sharpie on there. Several 1000 468 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:34,230 bucks. 469 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,980 Yeah, the signature the signature. Yeah, that's 470 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,130 odd. father's signature model is just some white Sharpie on an 471 00:31:41,130 --> 00:31:41,700 old mode. 472 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,890 Can you put? Can you put a podcasting 2.0 certified badge 473 00:31:46,890 --> 00:31:47,220 on it? 474 00:31:47,460 --> 00:31:51,240 Oh, yeah. No. Oh, yeah. Stickers, sticker 475 00:31:51,330 --> 00:31:55,170 stickers, of course. Yeah. No, this is this is a genius plan. I 476 00:31:55,170 --> 00:31:56,130 like this plan. But it's 477 00:31:56,130 --> 00:32:00,240 really discouraging. And, and I understand there's not many 478 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,240 people who do live shows. And all these boxes are great if you 479 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,270 just want to have a couple people chatting. And in the task 480 00:32:06,270 --> 00:32:10,440 cam does some kind of compression. It fails, all of it 481 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,270 fails. You can't make the sound 482 00:32:13,050 --> 00:32:15,930 was great. I can reproduce your great mics. I can never lose 483 00:32:15,930 --> 00:32:19,530 your sound. So I see I've got I've got this audience. Evo 484 00:32:19,530 --> 00:32:23,760 four. That's my box. And it's a great, it's a great box. It's 485 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:28,200 quite I mean, it's got all the all the audio. But do you have? 486 00:32:28,620 --> 00:32:33,180 Like the, the all the audio stuff is high quality in there. 487 00:32:33,180 --> 00:32:35,970 So like, I mean, it's got a low, you know, low note, low noise 488 00:32:35,970 --> 00:32:40,770 floor on the preamps and all this kind of stuff. But the, but 489 00:32:40,770 --> 00:32:45,420 I can't reproduce your I could not run the show. No, I have to 490 00:32:45,420 --> 00:32:49,650 depend on you to run the show. Because I can't get what you do 491 00:32:49,650 --> 00:32:51,870 from my side because this box just won't do it. 492 00:32:51,900 --> 00:32:55,560 No, no box will do it. No box will do it. This is the only box 493 00:32:55,560 --> 00:33:00,300 that can do it. Yeah, that has not enough capability to 494 00:33:00,330 --> 00:33:03,450 actually run the show. You know, I have multiple sources. 495 00:33:03,630 --> 00:33:06,810 Sometimes I want to play something off of YouTube or 496 00:33:06,810 --> 00:33:10,020 whatever. I can bring all that and I'd my Theramin I wouldn't 497 00:33:10,020 --> 00:33:12,630 even be able to do half of that stuff with with these other 498 00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:14,730 boxes. They don't even they don't even have the inputs. 499 00:33:15,540 --> 00:33:19,080 I mean, the idea is that nobody's come out with a pod 500 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,060 father branded unit. 501 00:33:21,090 --> 00:33:24,420 I can't even get free evaluation units. What are you talking 502 00:33:24,420 --> 00:33:28,800 about? These people are nuts. I don't get it. I mean, I'll take 503 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,250 $10 A device and we'll see and I'll tell you how to do it. 504 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,100 Everyone's close enough. But you got to get the right chipset. 505 00:33:35,100 --> 00:33:38,580 Everyone's working off the same stuff and the same dumb concept. 506 00:33:39,030 --> 00:33:42,150 Well, this is the same problem. This is what happened to you 507 00:33:42,150 --> 00:33:46,050 before the show. And yeah monitor your USBC monitor would 508 00:33:46,050 --> 00:33:49,890 not or USB monitor wouldn't work. And here's this is the tip 509 00:33:50,190 --> 00:33:51,360 for anybody who 510 00:33:52,020 --> 00:33:54,870 yes and I'm running a Surface Pro six with a doc 511 00:33:55,500 --> 00:34:01,020 Yeah, and in this applies to all USB Doc's, all of them. If you 512 00:34:01,050 --> 00:34:05,250 have a USBC or thunder hub, excuse me, Thunderbolt dock. 513 00:34:06,060 --> 00:34:09,930 They almost all use the exact same chipset. I haven't found 514 00:34:09,930 --> 00:34:14,970 one yet that doesn't. And so what happens is with multiple 515 00:34:14,970 --> 00:34:20,250 Mon, multiple external monitors, you'll come in and boot up your 516 00:34:20,250 --> 00:34:25,590 rig one day. And either one of your monitors will not more or 517 00:34:25,650 --> 00:34:27,570 more usually none of them will work. 518 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,640 Yeah, that's it's a fave. Uh huh. 519 00:34:30,030 --> 00:34:33,690 Yeah, anything attached to the doc just just refuses to work. 520 00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:38,790 Any monitors. And a lot of times if you look really closely, 521 00:34:38,790 --> 00:34:41,100 especially if you get like in dark mode and you get a black 522 00:34:41,100 --> 00:34:45,000 background and your screen when it's doing this, you'll see 523 00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:49,710 little speckles of pixelation is very slight but you'll see 524 00:34:49,710 --> 00:34:55,740 there's something this chip does that freaks out the the only way 525 00:34:55,740 --> 00:35:00,000 to fix it is power everything down. Pull power from the top 526 00:35:00,420 --> 00:35:04,380 And for about 20 seconds, and then plug it back in. It's funny 527 00:35:04,380 --> 00:35:04,890 because that 528 00:35:04,890 --> 00:35:07,770 same thing always fixes my my cable modem. 529 00:35:09,180 --> 00:35:14,040 It does. Yeah. It's the universal fix. Yeah. Turn it 530 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,970 off. Power. You can't just reboot you have to pull power. 531 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,510 Yeah. Well, I did and it works. Thank you. Because I was a 532 00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:24,360 little frustrated with that afterwards away at the office, 533 00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:27,870 man. And you're still coming through the the onboard speaker 534 00:35:27,870 --> 00:35:28,770 I've no idea why. 535 00:35:30,030 --> 00:35:31,950 This voice can't be stopped. Yeah, 536 00:35:31,980 --> 00:35:35,250 yes. It's right. The pod sage slips through every crack. 537 00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:39,960 Yeah, then what's to come out everywhere? Yeah, did you speak 538 00:35:40,050 --> 00:35:48,300 Speaking of music stuff. Just, I had this last show, I guess two 539 00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:53,400 weeks ago. And I was like, and then. And then pot land. Yes. 540 00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:55,920 Yesterday. I'm not done listening. But they had the 541 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,100 interview an interview with this. Lady who got the 542 00:35:59,100 --> 00:36:02,160 music licensing. Lady. Yes, yes, yes. Yes. Yeah. 543 00:36:02,970 --> 00:36:08,400 And so I had printed this out. Where's some to talk to you 544 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,720 about this anyway? I mean, well, you have no choice Taylor's. 545 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:18,900 Ouch, maggot. Too many knows the. Oh, yeah. Taylor Swift. So, 546 00:36:20,340 --> 00:36:22,470 Taylor Swift, you know, she's doing that thing where she's re 547 00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:29,550 recording her music. And this article says, a new report from 548 00:36:29,550 --> 00:36:32,550 The Wall Street Journal claims that universal have been setting 549 00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:35,370 up new agreements with his artists, which according to the 550 00:36:35,370 --> 00:36:38,520 report, quote, effectively double the amount of time that 551 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,160 the contracts restrict an artist from RE recording their work, 552 00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:45,900 unquote. Supposedly, this is like a response to her to her 553 00:36:45,900 --> 00:36:53,550 thing. And this is. Taylor Swift said this, this was the second 554 00:36:53,550 --> 00:36:57,690 time my music had been sold without my knowledge. Swift 555 00:36:57,690 --> 00:37:00,210 said, the letter told me that they wanted to reach out before 556 00:37:00,210 --> 00:37:04,200 the sale to let me know. But that Scooter Braun had required 557 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,160 I think that's the guy or music that had required that they make 558 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,480 no contact with me or my team, or the deal would be off. Swift 559 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,510 statements claim that Braun will continue to profit from our 560 00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:19,320 catalog boat for many years. So I guess he sold it to somebody 561 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:25,290 else. Yeah, he sold her the rights to her music to private 562 00:37:25,290 --> 00:37:29,940 equity company called shamrock holdings for $300 million. And 563 00:37:29,940 --> 00:37:35,130 evidently, if this is true, told them not to mention it to her, 564 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:40,710 or else the deal would be off. Yeah. So yeah. So my question to 565 00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:42,690 you, and I know, you've explained this before, but I'm 566 00:37:42,690 --> 00:37:47,250 not sure if you've explained it on, on our show. Is this whole 567 00:37:47,250 --> 00:37:54,300 idea of podcast excuse me of performance rights? versus just 568 00:37:54,330 --> 00:37:58,860 the artist rights? Or right, I guess writers rights and that 569 00:37:58,860 --> 00:38:06,330 kind of thing? In so in, in regards to podcasting? Does that 570 00:38:06,330 --> 00:38:12,990 fall under production, performance rights? But the 571 00:38:12,990 --> 00:38:16,200 reason I'm asking is because you sometimes I hear on some of your 572 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,590 shows, you will play, you know, a 10 second snippet of a song or 573 00:38:19,590 --> 00:38:25,260 so. Like, what how do you handle that? And and where where does 574 00:38:25,260 --> 00:38:28,440 that legally fall into performance rights? Is that a 575 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,120 performance right? Or is that something different? 576 00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:36,240 Okay, so let's go back to the beginning. Okay. Owning your 577 00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:39,840 master recording, and it truly they were talking about the true 578 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:45,480 master recording, which is, in many cases, historically, a big 579 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:50,340 tape, and it's stored in a vault. That is really the 580 00:38:50,340 --> 00:38:54,510 genesis of all the issues, artists typically will sign a 581 00:38:54,510 --> 00:38:58,500 record contract, and the record label will own the master 582 00:38:58,500 --> 00:39:01,320 recording. And they and they make agreements with the 583 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,730 artists, how much they'll pay in royalties, etc, etc. Now, off to 584 00:39:05,730 --> 00:39:09,630 the side, we'll put the composer and the writer of the song 585 00:39:09,630 --> 00:39:14,220 that's, that's a separate issue. So Taylor Swift when she did her 586 00:39:14,220 --> 00:39:21,450 deal with Scooter Braun, she took a deal which gave him the 587 00:39:21,450 --> 00:39:25,410 ownership, his company, the ownership of her music. And, and 588 00:39:25,410 --> 00:39:28,200 that means he can pretty much do with it, what he wants, 589 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,130 depending on the parameters of the deal, but it really puts the 590 00:39:32,130 --> 00:39:36,900 artists in the continuous backseat of what's going on. You 591 00:39:36,900 --> 00:39:38,820 know, it's hard to get an account look, the music 592 00:39:38,820 --> 00:39:42,870 business, the gangsters, it started people selling stuff out 593 00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:47,700 of the trunk of their cars, so you really have no way to get a 594 00:39:47,700 --> 00:39:52,410 record deal unless you put your masters into the game. So then 595 00:39:52,410 --> 00:39:58,650 once you have the Masters now you have huge property rights, 596 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:03,750 mainly over publishing So publishing falls into a whole 597 00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:09,180 bunch of different categories. You have, but you can, you could 598 00:40:09,180 --> 00:40:12,900 even package up the songs future earnings, I mean, you own the 599 00:40:12,900 --> 00:40:17,070 whole thing. So So wherever this song is used, if it's on 600 00:40:17,070 --> 00:40:20,790 television, if it's on the radio, if it's in a podcast, but 601 00:40:21,090 --> 00:40:24,480 especially if copies are being made, and that's called a 602 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,890 distribution, a mechanical right, so you put it onto 603 00:40:28,890 --> 00:40:32,190 something that people can take away, those terms have had to 604 00:40:32,190 --> 00:40:37,260 adopt, obviously, since we now deal with digital music. So all 605 00:40:37,260 --> 00:40:40,230 all everything that deals with the actual product, that is a 606 00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:45,990 derivative, or a copy of the master recording, is controlled 607 00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:50,100 by the owner of the master, typically the record company. So 608 00:40:50,100 --> 00:40:55,500 when you put a song into a podcast, this is the the problem 609 00:40:55,500 --> 00:40:59,460 for, you know, 20 years, even with streaming audio in the 610 00:40:59,460 --> 00:41:03,720 beginning, when you put it into a podcast, and it is downloaded. 611 00:41:04,860 --> 00:41:08,550 Anyone who owns the master will rightfully say that is a 612 00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:13,680 mechanical use, that is a exact copy is not but an exact copy of 613 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,700 the song and is now on a piece of media. So I need to get paid 614 00:41:17,700 --> 00:41:22,200 for that. Catch the way they kind of got around this. And in 615 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:26,220 the in the streaming world, which created just you know, 10s 616 00:41:26,220 --> 00:41:30,990 of 1000s of of playlists streaming on icecast servers 617 00:41:30,990 --> 00:41:35,550 completely boring. Is the accountability factor where you 618 00:41:35,550 --> 00:41:42,450 can get a license, a form of performing rights license, which 619 00:41:42,450 --> 00:41:47,100 would be analogous to television using it on television or radio 620 00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:51,420 in a broadcast in general, because it's streaming and it is 621 00:41:51,450 --> 00:41:57,780 apparently not. You can't you can't download it. So that 622 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:04,470 obfuscates the download, right? That the parameters around 623 00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:09,090 streaming, are the reporting is so restrictive, that you really 624 00:42:09,090 --> 00:42:12,510 can only run a playlist station. So you know, there's all that 625 00:42:12,510 --> 00:42:16,410 you can't play two songs from the same album, back to back and 626 00:42:16,410 --> 00:42:21,150 there's all these things used to be a mix. But it's it's so many 627 00:42:21,150 --> 00:42:24,330 restrictions, you can't actually create an entertaining broadcast 628 00:42:24,330 --> 00:42:27,360 from it. No way. You can't just freewheel it, that's it's not 629 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:28,020 possible. 630 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:34,500 Okay? Now, that's why you that's why you couldn't have like, true 631 00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:38,070 for like open Internet radio, 632 00:42:38,100 --> 00:42:41,940 not with while you can, but you can have it with music that is 633 00:42:41,940 --> 00:42:46,440 licensed in this particular manner. So back in the pod, pod 634 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:50,520 show days, we said put up the podcast, music, net podsafe 635 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,030 Music Network, and people could who own their masters who own 636 00:42:54,030 --> 00:42:56,850 their music. And there were some some famous musicians who own 637 00:42:56,850 --> 00:42:59,700 stuff, they could put it up there and there was a different 638 00:42:59,700 --> 00:43:03,270 license, you signed the license, and it said, Okay, I understand 639 00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:05,430 I'm putting it up here, I understand that I'm letting any 640 00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:09,090 podcaster take this use it in their in their programming. And 641 00:43:09,090 --> 00:43:12,720 all they have to do is is report back into the network that they 642 00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:16,710 played it with a link, etc. And that that worked pretty well. 643 00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:19,530 But of course, you know, everyone wants to shoehorn the 644 00:43:19,530 --> 00:43:24,120 old licensed content into the new system. And it's just it's 645 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:28,140 not, it's not possible. It's it's no, there's no incentive 646 00:43:28,140 --> 00:43:33,870 for anyone who owns the music to do it. Now we have the, we have 647 00:43:33,870 --> 00:43:42,300 the we have the this the composer and writer portion. So 648 00:43:42,330 --> 00:43:46,830 this is a true performing right, wherever this is played, that 649 00:43:46,830 --> 00:43:51,420 supposedly is going to be recorded, and then all those 650 00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:54,870 licensees who play something, so if I have a television station, 651 00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:58,920 I broadcast and I play, and I play a song, whatever reason 652 00:43:59,010 --> 00:44:04,800 with some sappy video over it, then that will eventually be 653 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,830 reported all the way down the line through ASCAP or BMI, and 654 00:44:07,830 --> 00:44:11,160 then the artist or the composer and the writer of the song will 655 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,490 get their pieces and it could be more than one writer composer. 656 00:44:14,910 --> 00:44:19,050 So how when if I play a small snippet of a song, which isn't 657 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,830 very often but if it was a commercial song, but even if 658 00:44:22,830 --> 00:44:27,600 it's a parody, this is under the fair use doctrine. And that 659 00:44:27,630 --> 00:44:31,500 really is only for the United States, but okay, yeah, I'm sure 660 00:44:31,620 --> 00:44:36,840 any, anyone could make problems. If it is in the context of 661 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:41,370 education or parody, then you can do this, but it doesn't mean 662 00:44:41,370 --> 00:44:48,450 that I can take a song like my buddy Mike in Pennsylvania did, 663 00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:53,220 Mama gonna take my OMA Chrome as a joke as a joke of Kodachrome? 664 00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,030 Now in the context of no agenda, where we're talking about the 665 00:44:57,030 --> 00:45:02,850 variant, and it's a parody, and when We're not you know, selling 666 00:45:02,850 --> 00:45:06,750 this for money we're not Weird Al Yankovic, which we are, we 667 00:45:06,750 --> 00:45:11,490 qualify under the fair use doctrine. And, and we're pretty 668 00:45:11,490 --> 00:45:14,370 well versed in in that, in fact, I'm pretty well versed in 669 00:45:14,370 --> 00:45:20,550 copyright in general. And I can tell you now that just listening 670 00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:24,150 to the pod light interview what it took to license 67 Paul Simon 671 00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:26,250 songs, and that's limited, you know, it's not good, that 672 00:45:26,250 --> 00:45:29,160 podcast can't be around forever, they have to pull it. And then 673 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,080 if there's any copies, you probably have to go after that. 674 00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,740 And police it, it's, it's a shit show. The only way the only way 675 00:45:34,740 --> 00:45:39,450 forward is, and I think we have the solution is getting your 676 00:45:39,450 --> 00:45:44,250 music on in an RSS feed, and getting different player 677 00:45:44,250 --> 00:45:47,970 experiences out there so people can listen to music in value for 678 00:45:47,970 --> 00:45:53,010 value. The royalties, the distributed, decentralized 679 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,420 digital rights system of the value block splits function 680 00:45:57,420 --> 00:46:01,770 perfectly for splitting up anything that comes in between 681 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,210 musicians, there may be higher splits for the composer and the 682 00:46:06,210 --> 00:46:11,820 writer. And that will go in perpetuity. And it's the you you 683 00:46:11,820 --> 00:46:15,420 eliminate all the ASCAP, BMI, all this bullshit, where all the 684 00:46:15,420 --> 00:46:18,960 money just sticks to other people's pockets and doesn't 685 00:46:18,990 --> 00:46:22,710 reach you as an artist. And moving forward. And Tina and I 686 00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:28,800 will try and do some of this in. In our podcast, if someone 687 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:34,140 licenses their music that way, then yeah, you know, we can 688 00:46:34,140 --> 00:46:38,280 definitely start playing stuff. But, but forget anything that is 689 00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,310 licensed through the old system, it's, it's never going to 690 00:46:41,310 --> 00:46:42,390 happen. It's not 691 00:46:42,449 --> 00:46:45,389 it's an it's untouchable. It's you can't do this. 692 00:46:45,570 --> 00:46:48,960 There's billions of dollars wound up in this. And I got to 693 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,720 break it for some shitty podcasters. No. 694 00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:57,600 Yeah, that's why I brought it up is because there's, there's this 695 00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,860 potential here for, you know, obviously, for people to use 696 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,510 this streaming value for value system for their own 697 00:47:06,990 --> 00:47:11,520 distribution and perform and, you know, dissemination of their 698 00:47:11,550 --> 00:47:17,400 of their music and payment. Yes, but, but then, I guess, how 699 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:23,670 limited is that, though, is what my real aim is here? Because if 700 00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:30,420 you have a person like Taylor Swift, she's, she's gonna have 701 00:47:30,420 --> 00:47:33,960 to own her own content before she herself could make the 702 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,180 decision to do something like that with it. 703 00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:42,030 Yeah. She sold her content. She sold it. And she didn't own it. 704 00:47:42,330 --> 00:47:46,680 No, she has no, that's why she re recorded her entire first 705 00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:51,630 three albums. Because she, you see, now she owns her own 706 00:47:51,630 --> 00:47:55,710 recording. And she can do with that whatever she wants. Even 707 00:47:55,710 --> 00:47:58,320 though it may sound exactly the same as the original. 708 00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:04,530 Which is crazy to me anyway, how this even there has to be 709 00:48:04,530 --> 00:48:07,440 something that should tell you that Oh, can't be that big. No, 710 00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:11,310 but that's that, that that now, this should tell you that this 711 00:48:11,310 --> 00:48:15,150 is this is entertainment, man, this is why I'm doing this. It's 712 00:48:15,150 --> 00:48:21,720 a shitty ass business run by by psychopaths. It really is. And 713 00:48:21,720 --> 00:48:25,410 they don't care and they really don't care. And it's all about 714 00:48:25,410 --> 00:48:28,500 money. Because look at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I was 715 00:48:28,500 --> 00:48:31,740 actually this funny that a piece of me interviewing Tina Turner 716 00:48:31,740 --> 00:48:36,720 in the the most recent Rock Roll Hall of Fame, telecast, and, and 717 00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:39,180 you know what you see in the audience? I'll never go again. I 718 00:48:39,180 --> 00:48:42,810 went back when it was cool, man, when it cost 1000 bucks a plate 719 00:48:42,810 --> 00:48:46,350 and yeah, and you had to get invited by a nominee. You know, 720 00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:50,100 I got invited by the kings. You know, now it's like, it was 721 00:48:50,100 --> 00:48:54,330 their lawyers, lawyers, is all lawyers, lawyers everywhere I 722 00:48:54,330 --> 00:48:58,170 see you lawyers. And that's what the business is. And it's all 723 00:48:58,170 --> 00:49:01,260 and yet and every artist has to sue their record company because 724 00:49:01,260 --> 00:49:05,070 they lie the thieves they lie. And that's just what it is. And 725 00:49:05,070 --> 00:49:08,070 people give into it except Kanye. People like Kanye, they 726 00:49:08,070 --> 00:49:10,620 figured it out Prince. I mean, he didn't record for years to 727 00:49:10,620 --> 00:49:13,170 get out of his contract. And, 728 00:49:13,619 --> 00:49:17,459 um, I mean, who? Who owns their own content? So it's like, Is it 729 00:49:17,459 --> 00:49:20,129 is it really rare? What are you talking about? Is it only the 730 00:49:20,129 --> 00:49:22,469 huge ones? Like, let's just say maybe like 731 00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:25,440 a radio, it's always the poor ones. It's only the poor ones 732 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,830 we're talking about. Okay, anybody can Oh, look, you create 733 00:49:28,830 --> 00:49:31,920 a song you own it. It's yours. You can register it so people 734 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,520 know how to get in touch with you. And if you're doing that 735 00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,570 today, if you take your music to ASCAP BMI, and you sign the 736 00:49:39,570 --> 00:49:44,100 deal, there's no place for you in podcasting. 2.0 there's just 737 00:49:44,100 --> 00:49:47,100 no Now does that mean that you can't get played on the radio? 738 00:49:47,130 --> 00:49:51,450 Oh, boohoo? Yeah, probably. Does that mean that you won't get 739 00:49:51,450 --> 00:49:57,210 money on on Spotify? Yeah, probably. You can. You can carve 740 00:49:57,210 --> 00:50:00,150 out exceptions, but it would be very difficult. You kind of have 741 00:50:00,150 --> 00:50:05,790 to choose one or the other. You know, because if you give the, 742 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:10,920 the Performing Rights to ASCAP BMI for them to collect and you 743 00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,070 just let a podcasters do stuff they're gonna say well screw you 744 00:50:14,100 --> 00:50:16,560 we're not going to collect for you to then you have to write an 745 00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,620 exception for every podcast and now you're back to square one 746 00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:23,489 net so like what you're saying is that that Paul Simon thing 747 00:50:23,489 --> 00:50:27,089 that they were talking about it that can't just be an evergreen 748 00:50:27,089 --> 00:50:29,609 podcast, they're gonna gonna have to have a limited run and 749 00:50:29,609 --> 00:50:30,059 pull it 750 00:50:30,119 --> 00:50:34,439 Yeah, and they're gonna have to police copies after the Oh yeah, 751 00:50:34,439 --> 00:50:35,609 after the date. Sure. 752 00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,330 That was additionally then see how that's worth it and going 753 00:50:39,330 --> 00:50:42,690 through all the trouble I mean, like they're gonna sell to all 754 00:50:42,690 --> 00:50:43,290 the money they 755 00:50:44,460 --> 00:50:48,270 were late, but let's understand what's going on here. First of 756 00:50:48,270 --> 00:50:50,850 all, they were in the midst of selling the whole catalog. So 757 00:50:50,850 --> 00:50:53,580 that's always interesting for everybody even having an 758 00:50:53,580 --> 00:50:56,340 interest in it is all these things are important. There's a 759 00:50:56,430 --> 00:50:59,430 thing there's a greatest hits or a book or collection or 760 00:50:59,430 --> 00:51:01,890 something was coming out so there's a marketing budget for 761 00:51:01,890 --> 00:51:05,340 this as a reason for it. It's not just to make a podcast it's 762 00:51:05,340 --> 00:51:08,640 just like, look at what are the what are the so called Top 763 00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:13,080 podcasts even? What are the top earning podcast? I guarantee you 764 00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:20,010 the top 10 is pretty much all combined with radio is what I 765 00:51:20,010 --> 00:51:24,420 heard is the Sirius XM podcast they're selling radio ads with 766 00:51:24,420 --> 00:51:29,250 podcast ads in a bundle Yeah, so so that's where all the money is 767 00:51:29,250 --> 00:51:32,250 going that's because that's a real measurable thing that 768 00:51:32,250 --> 00:51:35,250 people who are buying the buying the ad space they understand 769 00:51:35,250 --> 00:51:40,560 radio this whole this whole all these mob they're dead but 770 00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,560 there's so much money still flowing around and we have you 771 00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,560 know we have a lot of people who are still all jacked up about 772 00:51:46,590 --> 00:51:50,190 you know, getting bought by spout a Spotify will dream on 773 00:51:51,390 --> 00:51:57,570 Dream on. There is a way forward and you can go count your your 774 00:51:57,570 --> 00:52:02,190 Spotify pennies, but I guarantee any, any artists, I will 775 00:52:02,190 --> 00:52:06,960 personally guarantee it with my own Satoshis you will make more 776 00:52:06,990 --> 00:52:11,910 money value for value streaming SATs than you will on Spotify. 777 00:52:15,929 --> 00:52:21,179 No, okay. I guarantee that I don't see how you couldn't and 778 00:52:21,179 --> 00:52:23,369 in life because you're not getting the you're not getting 779 00:52:23,369 --> 00:52:27,839 the the deal. You know, I mean? Like you're not getting the 780 00:52:27,839 --> 00:52:33,569 Rogen color daddy deal. Those are, you know, I mean, the, 781 00:52:33,809 --> 00:52:35,879 because those I mean, those are gonna be you know, $100 million 782 00:52:35,879 --> 00:52:40,169 $60 million, whatever, that if you're, if you're outside of 783 00:52:40,169 --> 00:52:43,739 that little cabal or whatever you want to know, I don't mean 784 00:52:43,739 --> 00:52:46,709 that negative but like, if you're outside of that of those 785 00:52:46,709 --> 00:52:53,009 exceptional, you know, single deals you're not. I mean, no, 786 00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,960 it's the difference. Oh, it's a difference. Okay. Some podcasts 787 00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,200 have great reach, you know, call it call me call me daddy or 788 00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,570 whatever that came from barstool. So they had a lot of 789 00:53:03,570 --> 00:53:07,230 people listening. And Rogan, lots of people listening this, 790 00:53:07,260 --> 00:53:10,110 this is a metric for the old world. That's the world that 791 00:53:10,110 --> 00:53:13,890 Spotify lives in Spotify lives in the metric world of royalties 792 00:53:13,890 --> 00:53:18,780 in the old system. And they look at numbers, how high doesn't 793 00:53:18,780 --> 00:53:23,910 have to be they have no way to even in their corporate brain to 794 00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:27,540 consider value for value. Value for value is great, because you 795 00:53:27,540 --> 00:53:31,410 can get this look, when your song is played on the radio, you 796 00:53:31,410 --> 00:53:36,960 get as an artist exactly zero in America 000 radio has a carve 797 00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,140 out they don't pay for playing your song on the radio. So if 798 00:53:40,140 --> 00:53:42,930 you do value for value, and 1% of the people who are playing 799 00:53:42,930 --> 00:53:45,600 your song for free actually pays you you're going to be ahead of 800 00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:51,300 the game and in a big way. Much bigger than than in any other 801 00:53:51,300 --> 00:53:53,430 any other way. And your musical get out there. 802 00:53:54,539 --> 00:54:00,329 Yeah, the music, music as podcasts. To me, it's just, it's 803 00:54:00,329 --> 00:54:01,229 just a no brainer. 804 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,320 Well, we need a different interface. Really, we need a 805 00:54:04,380 --> 00:54:09,270 music kind of playing interface. And it should be limited to 806 00:54:09,300 --> 00:54:16,290 music. Music feeds, right. So that because you know people are 807 00:54:16,290 --> 00:54:19,920 very simple, they will never understand just like, let's not 808 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:25,500 let's be honest about it. Just like people don't go to Spotify 809 00:54:25,500 --> 00:54:29,400 for podcasts because it's there for music. Very few people are 810 00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,890 going to say, Oh, I'm gonna check out this song on my 811 00:54:31,890 --> 00:54:35,250 podcast app. It's just not going to happen. Yeah, it'll happen. 812 00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,740 You know, people say listen to my song this way, but it'll be 813 00:54:37,740 --> 00:54:39,480 confusing. So we 814 00:54:39,539 --> 00:54:44,729 the same way we get a new bus, Spotify, I guess. Yeah, exact 815 00:54:44,729 --> 00:54:45,359 reverse. 816 00:54:45,630 --> 00:54:50,550 Exactly. But Spotify can't just retool and make a make a 817 00:54:50,550 --> 00:54:53,640 podcasting app. You have a whole bunch of reasons why that is. 818 00:54:53,970 --> 00:54:57,030 But for sure any one of our developers could take what they 819 00:54:57,030 --> 00:55:02,640 have right now. strip it down. rejigger stuff. So that, you 820 00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:08,220 know, how do we use lyrics in the in the, in the transcript 821 00:55:08,220 --> 00:55:11,370 tag this kind of stuff? Mm hmm. You know, how do we use album 822 00:55:11,370 --> 00:55:15,360 art liner notes? Remember liner notes, you can do it for Song 823 00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,480 per song, you can have an image, you can have a link to the liner 824 00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:22,260 notes. Come on people. Do I have to come up with all the great 825 00:55:22,260 --> 00:55:22,950 ideas? 826 00:55:23,609 --> 00:55:26,969 Well, this brings me back the name the namespace. Yes. Phase 827 00:55:26,969 --> 00:55:31,649 four, which closed submissions on December the first, okay, two 828 00:55:31,649 --> 00:55:37,589 days ago. And as of right now, medium, the medium tag as in is, 829 00:55:37,919 --> 00:55:38,669 isn't there? 830 00:55:39,209 --> 00:55:41,789 Yes. And this would be a fun one. This would be an interface 831 00:55:41,789 --> 00:55:46,319 switching mechanism. Possibly. Yes. So if it said media music, 832 00:55:46,409 --> 00:55:50,189 Is that Is that an option? Yeah, media music, then the interface 833 00:55:50,189 --> 00:55:55,979 might change. Yeah, or you wake up where you can sort by it. And 834 00:55:55,979 --> 00:55:58,799 all the feeds are filter that filters through. But 835 00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,500 yeah, yeah. So like you would have a you do a breeze type 836 00:56:01,500 --> 00:56:05,670 thing. And so the breeze app, the breeze app only shows value 837 00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:08,880 for value lightning streaming podcasts. It does not show the 838 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:10,200 entire podcast catalog, 839 00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:13,049 which in hindsight, was a genius idea. 840 00:56:14,159 --> 00:56:18,299 I think it was a great idea to I was really skeptical when he 841 00:56:18,299 --> 00:56:23,189 when Roy first said that me too. And then he and he was he was 842 00:56:23,189 --> 00:56:25,619 persistent. And he knew what he wanted. And you know what? It 843 00:56:25,619 --> 00:56:28,079 was the right thing to do. I think I gradually for him. He 844 00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:30,059 knows his audience. Yes, the deal. Well, 845 00:56:30,059 --> 00:56:32,879 but if you look at the stats, you know the breeze people they 846 00:56:32,879 --> 00:56:37,379 boost baby. Go Yeah, the breeze parent, they're constantly top 847 00:56:37,379 --> 00:56:43,619 with fountain you know, they're always they're always at the top 848 00:56:43,619 --> 00:56:45,599 of the Satoshis. flowing. 849 00:56:46,679 --> 00:56:50,249 So on the names on the namespace, it looks like we're 850 00:56:50,249 --> 00:56:55,109 going to have probably, I'm going to start working on that 851 00:56:55,109 --> 00:56:59,369 this weekend. It looks like we're gonna have live item in 852 00:56:59,369 --> 00:57:04,109 there. Yeah, recommendations. And medium is probably and 853 00:57:04,619 --> 00:57:08,819 images. Cool. I'm probably going to drop gateway, because there's 854 00:57:08,819 --> 00:57:14,759 too there's too much uncertainty about that. So images definitely 855 00:57:14,759 --> 00:57:18,119 will be in there because that pod LP, which by the way, pod 856 00:57:18,119 --> 00:57:22,259 lpm. I'm trying to get Tom to come on the show with us and 857 00:57:22,289 --> 00:57:26,369 interview him. The developer that cuz he's really doing some 858 00:57:26,369 --> 00:57:31,199 good stuff with POD LP on the Chi iOS app. And he's like, he 859 00:57:31,199 --> 00:57:32,699 just put in transcripts. 860 00:57:32,729 --> 00:57:36,989 I know it's I you know, I have a CK iOS platform. 861 00:57:37,889 --> 00:57:41,159 Which one do you have? Nokia? 862 00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:45,990 No, no, it's the it's the T Mobile. T Mobile sells at almost 863 00:57:45,990 --> 00:57:46,410 a second. 864 00:57:46,619 --> 00:57:48,749 Oh, yeah. The super cheap one, right. Yeah. 865 00:57:48,929 --> 00:57:53,729 But it runs CK iOS. And now it's not 20. It's like 100 bucks. 866 00:57:54,059 --> 00:57:55,949 It's the Alcatel go flip. 867 00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:00,540 Three, because there's another Alcatel that's like, it's almost 868 00:58:00,540 --> 00:58:03,390 the same, but it is super cheap. It's like 20 bucks. It's like i 869 00:58:03,510 --> 00:58:07,020 It'll work on that, too. I think it'll work on that too. Yeah. 870 00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,530 Yeah. It's, it's a great app. And so he's, he's looking 871 00:58:10,530 --> 00:58:12,240 forward to the podcast images to 872 00:58:12,270 --> 00:58:15,720 Kanye West is one of the biggest operating systems for mobile, I 873 00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,480 think in India, and a whole bunch of other countries. 874 00:58:19,260 --> 00:58:21,330 Is it? Yeah. Is it open source? 875 00:58:22,260 --> 00:58:26,700 I think it Yes. I think it is. It is that is. 876 00:58:27,300 --> 00:58:32,550 Is it Mozilla I think that's the Mozilla iOS? No, I thought it 877 00:58:32,550 --> 00:58:33,690 came from 878 00:58:34,349 --> 00:58:42,089 Let me see. i Oh, yes. It was it was a rescue. I thought it was a 879 00:58:42,179 --> 00:58:43,919 Yeah. To Katie distribution. 880 00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:52,080 Who really? Yeah. Well, Hong Kong. It was based on five 881 00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:53,100 Firefox fork. 882 00:58:53,099 --> 00:59:00,839 Yep. Now, Mozilla right. No doors Firefox. Oh, s. And after 883 00:59:00,839 --> 00:59:06,899 that. Mozilla that became kernel. Yeah. Yeah, it is. Yeah. 884 00:59:07,679 --> 00:59:10,829 This is an it's a nifty little nifty little thing. 885 00:59:11,490 --> 00:59:15,120 Yes. Yeah. It says it is open source. Source available. Yeah, 886 00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:20,280 that that's so so he is looking forward to the images tag. An 887 00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:27,570 image tag is good is really just a repurposed version of the HTML 888 00:59:27,570 --> 00:59:33,390 five images tag. And so it's gonna, or in, right, I've 889 00:59:33,390 --> 00:59:35,820 seen the I've seen the chatter about this year. 890 00:59:36,030 --> 00:59:40,590 And so you can specify that in html5 tag, they came up with 891 00:59:40,590 --> 00:59:43,740 this idea of being able to specify not just a source for 892 00:59:43,740 --> 00:59:48,270 the image, but what they call a source set. So then you can have 893 00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:54,690 on the source set is a comma delimited space delimited set of 894 00:59:54,690 --> 01:00:01,320 image URLs, and the the format is something like Use source set 895 01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:07,500 equals and then the first URL of an image space, the dimension, 896 01:00:08,100 --> 01:00:12,870 and then comma, another URL space, the dimension of that 897 01:00:12,870 --> 01:00:16,530 comma. And and you can just keep specifying. So you in that way, 898 01:00:16,770 --> 01:00:21,630 with one, with one tag, you can specify, potentially, you know, 899 01:00:21,870 --> 01:00:26,760 eight different resolutions of an image or pixel width of an 900 01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:31,500 image to deliver with the feet at the same time to allow a 901 01:00:31,500 --> 01:00:35,850 mobile unit like to allow scaling up or down to whatever 902 01:00:35,850 --> 01:00:38,700 device screen width you're trying to deal with. If you 903 01:00:38,700 --> 01:00:41,880 are listening to this podcast, and you're not a developer, and 904 01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:46,410 you're just a casual user, please note what goes into the, 905 01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:50,760 into these small little features that software developers make 906 01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:51,360 for you. 907 01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:55,440 Straight up, yeah, there's so much thought that has to go into 908 01:00:55,440 --> 01:01:00,570 all this. And I don't even know I mean, kudos to, to pot LP for 909 01:01:00,570 --> 01:01:02,760 even getting a transcript on those tiny loans. 910 01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:04,380 No, right. That's crazy. 911 01:01:04,980 --> 01:01:08,130 I mean, like a Nokia 8110. I mean, that thing's like, like a 912 01:01:08,130 --> 01:01:14,130 postage stamp. Yeah, but, but that's, so I'll start probably 913 01:01:14,130 --> 01:01:19,890 working on that this weekend, trying to move things around. Do 914 01:01:19,890 --> 01:01:24,360 some do some cleanup on this, and then we'll start I'll start 915 01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:28,650 making noise about which tags need need work. And then 916 01:01:28,860 --> 01:01:31,470 hopefully, by the end of December, we'll be able to just 917 01:01:31,590 --> 01:01:35,670 to have a final phase four. And and I'm excited about me because 918 01:01:35,670 --> 01:01:39,450 me, medium. To me. That's a super important tag. Gotta have 919 01:01:39,449 --> 01:01:42,269 that. Yeah. Well, you know, I got this the streaming radio 920 01:01:42,269 --> 01:01:44,129 station guy all jacked and ready. 921 01:01:44,730 --> 01:01:49,590 Mm, yeah. And live item, those two dogs. I mean, they, they go 922 01:01:49,590 --> 01:01:50,490 together. Hey, and I'll 923 01:01:50,490 --> 01:01:54,540 just say, Thanks, everybody for the cross app comments that's 924 01:01:54,540 --> 01:01:55,350 really rockin. 925 01:01:57,270 --> 01:01:58,800 Yes, it's everybody's doing. 926 01:01:58,980 --> 01:02:02,940 Everyone's doing not really doing nothing. It's like, yeah, 927 01:02:03,060 --> 01:02:06,780 it's there's something wrong with with the with the namespace 928 01:02:06,780 --> 01:02:12,390 or it's to it's to, like it needs I've read maybe it should 929 01:02:12,390 --> 01:02:15,750 focus just on activity pub, and not on anything else. And people 930 01:02:15,750 --> 01:02:18,900 seem to be kind of not knowing which way to go. Because then 931 01:02:18,900 --> 01:02:21,180 oh, you could use it with Twitter. But you can do it with 932 01:02:21,180 --> 01:02:24,270 something. Just it seems like it's unclear what the direction 933 01:02:24,270 --> 01:02:26,550 is. And as usual, we're all looking to you. 934 01:02:27,540 --> 01:02:30,720 I really don't think it's that. I don't think it's a problem 935 01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:34,920 with the spec, I think is a problem with activity pub. And 936 01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:38,400 I'm not saying I don't when I say problem, I don't mean that 937 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:43,530 activity Pub is messed up. I just mean that a lot of people 938 01:02:43,530 --> 01:02:47,520 don't understand how it works. And when you first start 939 01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:51,330 learning activity pub, it's very similar to trying to learn 940 01:02:51,330 --> 01:02:56,190 lightning. Lightning, okay, I gotcha didn't take off, you 941 01:02:56,190 --> 01:02:59,340 know, this, the streaming payments didn't begin to get any 942 01:02:59,340 --> 01:03:03,060 traction with the apps until LNP came along and made it a very 943 01:03:03,060 --> 01:03:08,580 simple write. API, very simple process. And I think people, the 944 01:03:08,580 --> 01:03:11,790 first thing you do when you're looking to in to implement 945 01:03:11,850 --> 01:03:17,190 activity pub commenting, is you go and you look for the spec, we 946 01:03:17,190 --> 01:03:20,670 look for the spec, and it sort of makes your eyes cross. 947 01:03:21,150 --> 01:03:26,250 Because it's, it's just, you don't know how far to go? Are we 948 01:03:26,250 --> 01:03:29,370 just going to display comments? Okay, well, am I gonna have, I'm 949 01:03:29,370 --> 01:03:34,890 gonna have to put in an entire, like, the both ways here where I 950 01:03:34,890 --> 01:03:38,820 can where I can post comment, I think there's just a little bit 951 01:03:38,820 --> 01:03:42,150 of a sort of overload at the beginning, when you first start 952 01:03:42,150 --> 01:03:47,760 to look into it. And that, that makes people sort of back off 953 01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:49,470 and say, Well, you know what, I'm going to wait till somebody 954 01:03:49,470 --> 01:03:53,730 else does it. And then look at what they did, and try to model 955 01:03:53,730 --> 01:03:57,300 what I'm doing all of that. So I think what really has to happen 956 01:03:58,230 --> 01:04:03,690 right now is there needs to be some example, code developed. 957 01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:09,000 Maybe even in a mock podcast app, not even in real app, maybe 958 01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:16,350 just some sort of mocked up app, where it shows developers what 959 01:04:16,350 --> 01:04:26,310 to do, to Symp to to support it in a simplistic way. And I, you 960 01:04:26,310 --> 01:04:29,820 know, I'm willing to do it, but it would be nice if somebody 961 01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:35,280 else would take that job on and say, and just mock. Well, sir, I 962 01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:38,670 mean, John Spurlock he built these building that feed, you 963 01:04:38,670 --> 01:04:42,660 know, validator, and he put in, he put in the ability to suck 964 01:04:42,660 --> 01:04:46,800 that stuff out the suck out the activity, post comments and 965 01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:50,910 display them. Oh, that's not an app. That's just me, that's just 966 01:04:50,910 --> 01:04:54,810 a website. But something like that. That was open source that 967 01:04:54,810 --> 01:04:57,750 shows okay, if you want to support cross app comments in 968 01:04:57,750 --> 01:05:01,290 your app, here's a little bit of sample code Maybe some, maybe 969 01:05:01,290 --> 01:05:07,770 some Node js code or something, something that's very popular, 970 01:05:08,370 --> 01:05:10,770 maybe something like that, or some Python code, there's 971 01:05:10,770 --> 01:05:14,400 something you can do in your app. And here's what it looks 972 01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:19,470 like. That would be ideal. And then because we've already got 973 01:05:19,470 --> 01:05:25,140 enough, our feed, as doing it, Benjamin Bellamy's feed is doing 974 01:05:25,140 --> 01:05:30,240 it. So we've got a couple of good test cases sandboxes for, 975 01:05:30,690 --> 01:05:33,810 that you could test your app against, if you want to just 976 01:05:33,810 --> 01:05:37,770 show the comments. To me, that's a great way to start, just show 977 01:05:37,770 --> 01:05:42,720 the comments, you know, as a as a phase one, and then as a sort 978 01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:51,450 of one point, you know, 1.1, upgrade, then look into posting 979 01:05:51,450 --> 01:05:54,420 back and replies and that kind of thing. But if you even if you 980 01:05:54,420 --> 01:05:57,810 just show the comments, they can begin to live somewhere else 981 01:05:57,810 --> 01:06:00,960 when a fully compliant activity pops over. You don't have to do 982 01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:05,100 the whole shebang yourself. Right. I would incur? I mean, it 983 01:06:05,099 --> 01:06:07,619 sounds to me like we think that's it sounds to me, like we 984 01:06:07,619 --> 01:06:09,029 got another Umbral app coming. 985 01:06:14,909 --> 01:06:17,399 Okay, and that's a no from Dave. 986 01:06:18,420 --> 01:06:21,990 I've got other stuff. I've got. I've got the API stuff I got to 987 01:06:21,990 --> 01:06:22,980 do. Oh, 988 01:06:23,010 --> 01:06:24,630 yes, yes. Yes, you do. 989 01:06:26,340 --> 01:06:31,800 Boost. You know, you want to thank some folks. Oh, yeah, 990 01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,920 sure. Yeah, I was gonna say I've got to get back to 991 01:06:34,949 --> 01:06:40,199 Yes. I apologize. Apologies for the delay due to the equipment. 992 01:06:40,979 --> 01:06:43,589 Oh, no, that's not. That's not right. No, what I'm saying is, 993 01:06:43,619 --> 01:06:45,809 I've got to get back to working on the index, 994 01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:48,240 I tell you to get back to work. Now. I thought you're No, 995 01:06:49,650 --> 01:06:54,600 no, no, no, I've got to get back to the Index. Because we I've 996 01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,570 been thinking about this for a while and a need to a better 997 01:06:57,570 --> 01:07:02,580 pipeline. So as soon as I can get this help has stuff wrapped 998 01:07:02,580 --> 01:07:06,840 up and get a little bit of progress on namespace. I'm going 999 01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:11,130 to go back into some stuff I've been putting off for a while and 1000 01:07:11,370 --> 01:07:16,680 work on a better pipeline from the aggregators to the database. 1001 01:07:18,270 --> 01:07:21,630 And so that, and I'm going to rewrite so that the aggregators 1002 01:07:21,690 --> 01:07:25,740 is split up now into a polar and a parser. And I'm going to 1003 01:07:25,740 --> 01:07:31,320 rewrite the polar and something other than no J. S, because I 1004 01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:35,250 hate it so much. I hate the way they don't write it in C, man. 1005 01:07:35,310 --> 01:07:39,960 Do it in C No, no, no rust. It's all rocks all the way down. All 1006 01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:47,880 right. Okay, well, right out of the gate. Marco Arment $500 to 1007 01:07:47,910 --> 01:07:54,120 every month, like clockwork. Thank you, Marco. And that was a 1008 01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:55,800 PayPal donation cut bucks. 1009 01:07:55,980 --> 01:08:02,040 That is that is incredibly helpful. That's it. We're glad. 1010 01:08:02,310 --> 01:08:05,250 We're glad we have. We're glad to have you as a part of the 1011 01:08:05,250 --> 01:08:06,900 podcasting 2.0 family. 1012 01:08:07,980 --> 01:08:11,580 And that reminds me of something that I was going to talk about 1013 01:08:12,300 --> 01:08:19,320 last time, which was if you are asking podcast app developers, 1014 01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:26,460 for us to support podcasting 2.0 features. Don't be a dick. Like, 1015 01:08:26,730 --> 01:08:29,700 just just ask him. And 1016 01:08:29,790 --> 01:08:32,490 did we talk about this? I think we talked about it before we 1017 01:08:32,490 --> 01:08:33,420 left on vacation. 1018 01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:36,480 I don't know. I don't know if we did or not. Yeah, I think we 1019 01:08:36,480 --> 01:08:41,460 did. Yeah, just just just a gentle reminder. Don't Don't be 1020 01:08:41,460 --> 01:08:44,700 a jerk. Because, like, 1021 01:08:46,050 --> 01:08:49,350 yeah, no, I'll tell you what not to do. Hey, man, if you don't 1022 01:08:49,350 --> 01:08:52,830 put this podcast that you put on your app, I'm gonna I'm gonna 1023 01:08:52,830 --> 01:08:56,730 delete that. Yes, nice. Not cool. It's not it's not a good 1024 01:08:56,730 --> 01:08:57,900 way to get something done. 1025 01:08:58,470 --> 01:09:01,500 Yeah, and don't go leaving like one star reviews and stuff. And 1026 01:09:01,500 --> 01:09:04,050 he's just just don't do that. But every single 1027 01:09:04,170 --> 01:09:10,740 app developer listens, a good one listens to their users. And 1028 01:09:10,740 --> 01:09:14,460 if enough users say, Hey, I'd really love to see this. And 1029 01:09:14,460 --> 01:09:17,040 that's kind of I think, you know, I, I'm not a developer. So 1030 01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:20,430 you tell me, but I think someone's saying, Hey, have you 1031 01:09:20,430 --> 01:09:23,820 heard about this? I'd love to see this in the app. Isn't that 1032 01:09:23,820 --> 01:09:26,220 kind of all you need to do? Because you don't need to do any 1033 01:09:26,220 --> 01:09:29,040 more convincing? Because once there's 100 Of those, that's 1034 01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:32,040 when a developer goes, oh, you know, I should look at this. 1035 01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:39,990 Okay, every developer has a customer facing app is going to 1036 01:09:39,990 --> 01:09:45,930 be is going to balance their workload amongst different 1037 01:09:45,930 --> 01:09:50,280 priorities. Sometimes the priority is I've had a lot of 1038 01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:55,260 people ask for this thing. And so I'm going to do it. Sometimes 1039 01:09:55,260 --> 01:09:59,760 the priority is, I've had nobody asked for this thing, but I 1040 01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:03,450 think It's so cool that if I put if I put the time in and put it 1041 01:10:03,450 --> 01:10:08,460 in into my app, everybody's gonna love it. Right? Sometimes 1042 01:10:08,910 --> 01:10:16,080 it is, I see a problem on my side that you don't see a 1043 01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:20,490 structural problem in this in the way that my app is built, or 1044 01:10:20,490 --> 01:10:24,960 my service is built. And I really need to get down to brass 1045 01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:27,960 tacks and spend a couple of months or a few months fixing 1046 01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:31,320 this thing up before it bites me and you in the bud. Right. 1047 01:10:31,950 --> 01:10:37,560 Another possible thing is, there's a new thing coming out 1048 01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:41,310 that I need to get up to speed on. And I'm going to have to 1049 01:10:41,310 --> 01:10:46,830 take time to do that before I get before it bites me as well. 1050 01:10:46,830 --> 01:10:50,130 So something like, for example, something like moving from 1051 01:10:50,130 --> 01:10:57,540 Objective C to Swift. A lot of app Apple developers are have 1052 01:10:57,540 --> 01:11:02,490 had to make that transition over the last four or five years. I'm 1053 01:11:02,490 --> 01:11:05,760 spending a lot of time learning rust, because it's the language 1054 01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:09,510 that I'm that I want to spend more time in these days. That 1055 01:11:09,510 --> 01:11:13,110 takes it takes hours. It takes a long, it takes time. And that's 1056 01:11:13,110 --> 01:11:17,280 my priority. So anytime that you're dealing with dealing with 1057 01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:20,340 a developer, it's going to be one usually one of those four 1058 01:11:20,340 --> 01:11:23,220 things that are taking up whatever amount of his or her 1059 01:11:23,220 --> 01:11:27,780 time is, is currently being spent. And for you to get in 1060 01:11:27,780 --> 01:11:31,230 there and just start being a jackass about it. It's not going 1061 01:11:31,230 --> 01:11:35,280 to make it's not going to get you any sympathy whatsoever. 1062 01:11:35,910 --> 01:11:38,700 Because any sympathy that you would have is already there. 1063 01:11:38,700 --> 01:11:43,320 It's built into the system. And that that develops when somebody 1064 01:11:43,470 --> 01:11:47,010 emails me and says, Hey, I really want this thing. And I 1065 01:11:47,010 --> 01:11:49,620 always tell them oh, I'd love to do that for you. I'll do I'll do 1066 01:11:49,620 --> 01:11:52,680 my best I'll put it on my to do list. And it does go on the to 1067 01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:55,350 do list, but I can't tell you when that thing's gonna be I 1068 01:11:55,350 --> 01:11:55,950 just can't 1069 01:11:57,030 --> 01:12:01,860 Well, that's all very disappointing I can't get 1070 01:12:01,860 --> 01:12:04,260 anything done. Can't get anything out of you developers. 1071 01:12:04,260 --> 01:12:07,260 Nothing ever. Just shut up. Yeah. 1072 01:12:08,850 --> 01:12:11,820 No, just be nice. That's really the that's really the it's not 1073 01:12:11,820 --> 01:12:14,190 hard to be nice. Doesn't take a lot of effort. 1074 01:12:16,770 --> 01:12:19,860 That was our only PayPal donation. All right, 1075 01:12:19,860 --> 01:12:22,320 that's a problem. Well, 1076 01:12:22,350 --> 01:12:26,550 I mean, our only single donation we got not we got monthly. 1077 01:12:26,879 --> 01:12:29,699 Okay, and we have and we have booster grams, hopefully. Oh, 1078 01:12:29,699 --> 01:12:32,309 yeah, we got booster. I mean, I love the transition to the to 1079 01:12:32,309 --> 01:12:38,879 the digital, the digital version of value for value. But you 1080 01:12:38,879 --> 01:12:43,319 know, we people, you know, your numbers are lower than what you 1081 01:12:43,319 --> 01:12:48,299 used to do with tape. Just saying, just saying. We're okay. 1082 01:12:48,329 --> 01:12:51,389 We're okay. But you know, this is all liquidity for the whole 1083 01:12:51,389 --> 01:12:52,229 system. So 1084 01:12:53,790 --> 01:13:00,360 Well, Kelly Bear he gave us a baller boost of 100,000 sat holy 1085 01:13:04,860 --> 01:13:07,410 Oh, man, 1086 01:13:07,799 --> 01:13:14,519 no. Phone over. fell out of the impalas same time. Nice. Kelly 1087 01:13:14,519 --> 01:13:18,119 Bear is his podcast is the intergalactic? 1088 01:13:20,730 --> 01:13:24,420 He's always pleased he promotes the heck out of podcasts and 2.0 1089 01:13:24,420 --> 01:13:25,110 It's great. 1090 01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:29,640 He does. He loves us. He says I just share some sass to two cool 1091 01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:34,590 cats. Crinkle the paper Dave? We need that weekly ASMR injection. 1092 01:13:37,050 --> 01:13:39,660 Shout some SATs. I hadn't heard that one. I like it. 1093 01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:45,000 Awesome cow. Yeah, his show was great. Yeah, everybody here 1094 01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:49,500 listen to it. Thank you, buddy. See anonymous. Oh, we got an 1095 01:13:49,500 --> 01:13:53,730 anonymous boost through breeze. And it just says showing my son 1096 01:13:53,730 --> 01:13:57,960 how to boost. All right. Boost. 1000 cool, nice. 1097 01:13:57,960 --> 01:13:58,470 Thank you. 1098 01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:08,220 Able Kirby. Send us 5000 SATs nice. He says that's the curio 1099 01:14:08,220 --> 01:14:12,240 caster. He says some time ago line six. The guitar amp maker 1100 01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:15,990 on the line six. Big guitar maker was getting famous ish 1101 01:14:16,260 --> 01:14:20,250 guitar players to make branded presets on their amps amp 1102 01:14:20,250 --> 01:14:25,680 effects. Okay, a similar thing could be done for podcast DSP. 1103 01:14:26,100 --> 01:14:28,800 What about an effect module with a bunch of podcaster style 1104 01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:32,730 presets? Like a picture of their face and everything? Like Nick 1105 01:14:32,730 --> 01:14:35,130 the rat presets have water dripping in the background. 1106 01:14:37,230 --> 01:14:39,060 Okay, well, yeah. 1107 01:14:39,660 --> 01:14:42,990 By the way, I'm totally for creating a branded VST plugin 1108 01:14:42,990 --> 01:14:47,280 value for value, programming it and testing in 2022. That is 1109 01:14:47,550 --> 01:14:47,970 able. 1110 01:14:48,629 --> 01:14:50,429 Interesting. That's interesting. 1111 01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:53,520 Well, that is I don't know what he's mean. Okay. 1112 01:14:54,419 --> 01:14:58,199 Here's what I think he means. So VST plugins is an architecture 1113 01:14:58,199 --> 01:15:02,219 in audio devices is pretty open. But at this point, I think so 1114 01:15:02,219 --> 01:15:11,879 you could have a player, an audio player, and you can load 1115 01:15:11,939 --> 01:15:15,839 different effects in that you can do all kinds of things. But 1116 01:15:15,839 --> 01:15:20,789 you could also load a value for value plugin that would in 1117 01:15:20,789 --> 01:15:26,009 essence, fire off SATs from a wallet to, to wherever it needs 1118 01:15:26,009 --> 01:15:26,489 to go. 1119 01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,540 Oh, that's weird. So So VST is sort of like an open G. It's 1120 01:15:30,540 --> 01:15:32,010 like the OpenGL of audio. 1121 01:15:32,070 --> 01:15:34,860 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's a good way to look at it. Yeah, I mean, 1122 01:15:34,860 --> 01:15:38,070 this is VST plugins. You've you've used them before. And you 1123 01:15:38,070 --> 01:15:41,730 can compressors limit. Yeah. So it's just an application. So I 1124 01:15:41,730 --> 01:15:43,320 think that's what do you mean? I like the idea. 1125 01:15:44,850 --> 01:15:49,830 I like it, too. Yeah. Okay. Interesting. drips. God gave us 1126 01:15:49,830 --> 01:15:51,450 10,000 sets. Oh, 1127 01:15:51,480 --> 01:15:52,800 man. drab. 1128 01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:57,390 He says I want my I want my MTBE. What was that? 1129 01:15:57,420 --> 01:16:00,300 What did that mean time Meantime, between episodes, 1130 01:16:00,300 --> 01:16:05,580 baby. Oh, that's. Tina says in the car to me. That's not his 1131 01:16:05,580 --> 01:16:11,490 real name is it? I don't. Here's the cool thing. I don't care 1132 01:16:11,610 --> 01:16:14,460 these Dred Scott. He's going to be Dred Scott for now for the 1133 01:16:14,460 --> 01:16:17,640 rest of rest of our days. You can't tell me his name is Pete? 1134 01:16:17,940 --> 01:16:19,680 That's not gonna work. It's Dr. 1135 01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:21,900 Jeff Scott, comma, Chapter guy. 1136 01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:25,530 Chapter architect chapter architect. There you go. 1137 01:16:27,030 --> 01:16:33,030 Kyron gay, Karen down gave us 1123 says and he says through 1138 01:16:33,030 --> 01:16:36,330 pod friend. He says not to worry, Adam. I usually hit 1139 01:16:36,330 --> 01:16:39,300 record as soon as the initial pleasantries are done with only 1140 01:16:39,300 --> 01:16:43,500 meant that I would clarify small things. how long we'd go for Oh, 1141 01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:46,830 my guest today? Yeah, my interview was today. 1142 01:16:47,460 --> 01:16:51,900 Okay. Just so you're not coming in completely blind. So you're 1143 01:16:51,900 --> 01:16:53,880 you they've already done it. Or you know, 1144 01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:57,090 it's four o'clock today. Four o'clock? Nice. Yeah, 1145 01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:58,740 well, trouble experience. 1146 01:16:58,770 --> 01:17:01,650 What um, he's like, I really want to ask you different 1147 01:17:01,650 --> 01:17:04,200 things. You've been interviewed so many times. I'm like, Okay, 1148 01:17:04,230 --> 01:17:05,700 let's see if he comes up with something different. 1149 01:17:06,540 --> 01:17:07,380 He's good interview. 1150 01:17:07,440 --> 01:17:09,090 I can't wait. I'm very excited. 1151 01:17:10,290 --> 01:17:15,960 Eris statica gave us 2376 SATs. I says booster grounds for 1152 01:17:15,990 --> 01:17:16,620 Italia. 1153 01:17:16,770 --> 01:17:20,850 Oh yeah, we need to we need an Italian booster Graham we got 1154 01:17:20,850 --> 01:17:25,200 the we have France French and now as the French say it is 1155 01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:25,950 timeful 1156 01:17:26,190 --> 01:17:27,060 loosed. 1157 01:17:28,350 --> 01:17:30,660 We need an Italian boost. 1158 01:17:31,170 --> 01:17:34,230 We'll get Did you hear that? I can't get Willow to do 1159 01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:35,910 of course I can Yeah. 1160 01:17:37,860 --> 01:17:39,900 Franco he can do it. He's a podcaster 1161 01:17:40,890 --> 01:17:45,510 Franco what a horror man he went right on pod land after he was 1162 01:17:45,510 --> 01:17:50,340 on. Marketing hor Franco. 1163 01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:53,970 I knew I knew that. 1164 01:17:54,570 --> 01:17:55,620 He knew he was scheduled. 1165 01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,070 I knew that Sam was trying to get him on the show. And I was 1166 01:17:59,070 --> 01:18:01,920 like, I was like, man, if they scooped us, I'm gonna be so 1167 01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:02,490 pissed. 1168 01:18:02,730 --> 01:18:07,770 What I liked is his story was so similar. The way he explained 1169 01:18:07,770 --> 01:18:10,860 stuff and he was just it was it was very interesting to hear 1170 01:18:10,860 --> 01:18:15,510 him. retell most of the other things, but most of the story 1171 01:18:15,750 --> 01:18:19,200 was good. I was just laughing like now man. Seriously? 1172 01:18:19,710 --> 01:18:22,740 We got him first guy. Random 1173 01:18:23,310 --> 01:18:27,090 competition. We're all competing for the same for the same girl. 1174 01:18:27,630 --> 01:18:34,830 Yeah. CASS Pentland 3300 sets through fountain and he just 1175 01:18:34,830 --> 01:18:38,820 says thanks. Thank you. You're welcome cast is cast feelin is 1176 01:18:38,820 --> 01:18:39,540 that A is that 1177 01:18:39,630 --> 01:18:42,300 could be Dutch. Yeah. Is it Ks? 1178 01:18:42,930 --> 01:18:44,460 Yeah. K s. 1179 01:18:45,299 --> 01:18:53,069 Oh, no. I mean, that may not be okay. Or is it gay? Yes. Be sure 1180 01:18:53,069 --> 01:18:54,299 it's an A and not two E's. 1181 01:18:54,300 --> 01:18:57,480 Yes. A K A. K s and then p 1182 01:18:57,480 --> 01:19:04,770 Okay. AKA. This horrible. That's cost that means cheese. In Dutch 1183 01:19:04,830 --> 01:19:10,710 Yeah. K s is cost is cheese. And what's the last minute P 1184 01:19:10,919 --> 01:19:14,699 P and P e la nd Candyland 1185 01:19:15,810 --> 01:19:20,310 she's P land all right, man. He will never be boosting again. 1186 01:19:20,310 --> 01:19:21,000 That's for sure. 1187 01:19:22,830 --> 01:19:26,850 She's feeling what? What's What's the P Land of the Duchess 1188 01:19:26,910 --> 01:19:29,370 of the Netherlands dude. Rotterdam. 1189 01:19:29,820 --> 01:19:35,820 Oh yeah. I have to tell you off air why that is very funny. Okay 1190 01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:40,890 it's no longer for public discussion. 1191 01:19:41,610 --> 01:19:48,120 Thank you cheese be Marcy sent us 5453 sets and he says a good 1192 01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:51,600 numbers. Thank you. found through found nice to switching 1193 01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:56,070 apps again as my new podcast app is frozen in playback as at 54 1194 01:19:56,070 --> 01:19:57,390 minutes and 53 seconds. 1195 01:19:57,419 --> 01:19:58,679 Oh no. Oh no. 1196 01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:05,520 I like this though. Give us a play by play of all the bugs in 1197 01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:05,940 your pocket. 1198 01:20:05,940 --> 01:20:07,290 Yes boosts 1199 01:20:07,290 --> 01:20:08,820 yes yes boost. 1200 01:20:08,820 --> 01:20:11,310 Exactly. Great idea. 1201 01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:17,400 Jon's BRT says gave us 4900 SATs through fountain and he says 1202 01:20:17,430 --> 01:20:19,170 shout out Commodore 64 1203 01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:23,100 Yay. The Sinclair ZX one salute you. 1204 01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:27,420 See, he was the CEO of Commodore, that famous guy. 1205 01:20:29,370 --> 01:20:32,610 I don't remember was that Scott? There wasn't scaly before Apple, 1206 01:20:32,610 --> 01:20:33,060 was it? 1207 01:20:34,050 --> 01:20:45,900 No, no. See Commodore 64 See what the Wikipedia says is? His 1208 01:20:45,900 --> 01:20:47,550 name is like on the tip of my tongue. 1209 01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:48,960 Jack Traumeel. 1210 01:20:50,070 --> 01:20:56,100 No. Well, let's see. 1984 1211 01:20:56,130 --> 01:20:59,760 Ben from via Dutch guy. They've been around a long time. 1212 01:21:00,870 --> 01:21:03,930 Yeah, I was thinking about like, with the height of their, you 1213 01:21:03,930 --> 01:21:04,200 know, 1214 01:21:05,070 --> 01:21:08,460 I remember the Vic. Vic 20. Man, I love that machine. 1215 01:21:09,270 --> 01:21:12,570 Oh, yeah. Yeah, you you were evict 20 guests. Yeah, I was. I 1216 01:21:12,570 --> 01:21:15,690 was a little bit lighter than that. I was the 64 in the 60. 1217 01:21:15,690 --> 01:21:25,170 Right era. Yeah, this was the this was an eight key I think it 1218 01:21:25,170 --> 01:21:33,720 was trying to think like, came in as the CEO shirt wasn't 1219 01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:35,160 Traumeel I thought that that was 1220 01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:38,190 the gateway may have been Yeah, that may have been wrong 1221 01:21:38,190 --> 01:21:44,550 the rhadigan Maybe Matt rhadigan Thomas Ratigan that was when the 1222 01:21:44,550 --> 01:21:45,600 Amiga came out. 1223 01:21:47,130 --> 01:21:50,190 Oh, no, no, this this would have been totally in the sea 64 days 1224 01:21:50,190 --> 01:21:54,180 and this is the guy that did let them down. Like let them down 1225 01:21:54,180 --> 01:22:00,690 the wrong path. I don't know. I'll figure it out. I'm no 1226 01:22:00,690 --> 01:22:06,420 genius since 1611 and 11 SATs and he says go podcasting. Yeah, 1227 01:22:06,420 --> 01:22:13,410 I can't wait for us to see I can't wait for us to convert 1228 01:22:13,470 --> 01:22:19,590 over to Satoshis as the main currency Max maximalist very 1229 01:22:19,590 --> 01:22:22,290 wealthy if we value at one for one with Fiat Yeah, 1230 01:22:22,379 --> 01:22:25,709 we Oh, well. That's why now is the time to boost us because 1231 01:22:25,709 --> 01:22:30,029 then you know, Bitcoin is in the mid 50s. This is the time to 1232 01:22:30,029 --> 01:22:30,809 help us out. 1233 01:22:31,530 --> 01:22:38,310 Yeah. Comic Strip blogger. Oh, comms making a donation. 1333 1234 01:22:38,310 --> 01:22:43,530 cents. Okay. What does he want? Greetings from comic strip 1235 01:22:43,530 --> 01:22:46,170 blogger. You see, you should have read this note in the 1236 01:22:46,170 --> 01:22:47,460 Comstor. But hold on a second 1237 01:22:48,030 --> 01:22:48,870 comic strip. 1238 01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:50,100 She has his own 1239 01:22:51,510 --> 01:22:59,130 comic strip. Comic Strip, comic strip, comics, comic strip. 1240 01:23:00,930 --> 01:23:04,950 Okay, love your bloggers. Greetings from comic strip 1241 01:23:04,950 --> 01:23:05,280 blogger. 1242 01:23:06,450 --> 01:23:07,530 Blogger, I'm sorry, 1243 01:23:09,030 --> 01:23:13,980 to podcasting 2.0 podcast, and anybody interested in artificial 1244 01:23:13,980 --> 01:23:16,800 intelligence is welcome to subscribe and listen to the 1245 01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:21,060 podcast called AI cooking that can be found in all podcast apps 1246 01:23:21,060 --> 01:23:27,060 and in all podcast indexes by searching for AI cooking yo, yo, 1247 01:23:27,300 --> 01:23:32,400 yo, yo, AI. This is big, because this means he's adding himself 1248 01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:36,270 as the host of AI cooking podcast. Yeah, he's 1249 01:23:36,270 --> 01:23:40,020 an innocent. He's never made a direct donation to any podcast 1250 01:23:40,020 --> 01:23:43,320 as far as I know, not a direct monetary donation. He's, of 1251 01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:47,700 course provided years of endless entertainment for the shows I'm 1252 01:23:47,700 --> 01:23:52,590 involved in. And I mean that sincerely is this. He's a 1253 01:23:52,590 --> 01:23:56,310 legend. He's a podcast legend. To Ben Rogers. Small smalls is 1254 01:23:56,310 --> 01:23:56,820 gone. 1255 01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:00,270 Oh, Roger smalls, that name. Sounds familiar. 1256 01:24:00,330 --> 01:24:05,460 Yeah. Yeah. He was, uh, he was a fan. And he would follow me 1257 01:24:05,460 --> 01:24:08,250 yesterday. Yeah. But he would follow me and he would do all 1258 01:24:08,250 --> 01:24:11,550 kinds of weird stuff. They would call in and he had been rooting 1259 01:24:11,550 --> 01:24:14,820 through my trash and it was great. Oh, great. That's great. 1260 01:24:14,820 --> 01:24:17,550 He was he was fantastic. Roger roger Smalls. 1261 01:24:18,330 --> 01:24:23,880 Thank you. Mr. Varga, blogger Paul Saltzman gave us a tu tu tu 1262 01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:24,060 tu 1263 01:24:24,090 --> 01:24:26,370 Yeah, yeah, I know his number. 1264 01:24:27,090 --> 01:24:28,890 Adding to my cookbooks boosts 1265 01:24:31,620 --> 01:24:33,480 like how you do it Dave booze 1266 01:24:36,270 --> 01:24:39,510 drips God again 30,000 SATs 1267 01:24:39,540 --> 01:24:40,560 Holy crap. 1268 01:24:42,870 --> 01:24:45,450 Boosting the donation segment because I got excited hearing 1269 01:24:45,450 --> 01:24:48,630 David Norman's name during the month lease. Another great show, 1270 01:24:48,630 --> 01:24:49,620 go podcasting. 1271 01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:55,350 You know, I have a feeling now. Drip Scott must be married rich. 1272 01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:58,500 Because he doesn't he doesn't seem to do anything except 1273 01:24:58,500 --> 01:25:04,170 chapters for all All podcasting 2.0 podcast, the money he gets 1274 01:25:04,170 --> 01:25:06,420 from his splits he sends right back 1275 01:25:07,140 --> 01:25:11,070 with interest. Yeah, verse interest 1276 01:25:11,070 --> 01:25:16,170 I'm not quite sure. I love you Dred Scott. You are seriously 1277 01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:18,990 you've been a big part of moving everything forward the chapter 1278 01:25:18,990 --> 01:25:22,770 work is stellar. It makes a huge difference in promoting this. 1279 01:25:23,490 --> 01:25:26,550 Maybe he got in early on the reverse mortgage game. 1280 01:25:28,590 --> 01:25:34,350 Now he probably is a Bitcoin guy who's yeah sitting on on a 1281 01:25:34,350 --> 01:25:38,100 couple of you know, couple couple 100 million SATs 1282 01:25:39,390 --> 01:25:44,880 Martin from pod friend Hey Martin. Hello 1000 SATs of 1283 01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:49,530 course through the pod friend app and he says via from podcast 1284 01:25:49,530 --> 01:25:52,410 index dot social informed me of a visual bug on the boost 1285 01:25:52,410 --> 01:25:55,740 button. So to recreate I am now paying the podcast index for the 1286 01:25:55,740 --> 01:26:01,170 privilege of debugging pot free and yes. I also 1287 01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:04,290 debugging with close to grams, it's perfect as it gets. This is 1288 01:26:04,290 --> 01:26:05,010 the way to go. 1289 01:26:05,730 --> 01:26:11,940 I endorse this wholeheartedly. Yell Ostrowski. And send us 3000 1290 01:26:11,940 --> 01:26:15,780 SATs and he says Long live the revolution yours shouldn't be in 1291 01:26:16,020 --> 01:26:20,400 French. She said that in French. I don't know what Long Live is 1292 01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:21,450 but the revolution Oh 1293 01:26:21,480 --> 01:26:24,990 Viva la revolution. Yes, that 1294 01:26:24,990 --> 01:26:27,690 thing. Three 1295 01:26:29,670 --> 01:26:35,100 Viva Viva Viva will be Spanish Viva La la la la evolutional. 1296 01:26:36,630 --> 01:26:40,620 Comstor blogger may have sent us to two separate donations for 1297 01:26:40,620 --> 01:26:45,210 3333 Even though the the message is exactly the same. So I'm 1298 01:26:45,210 --> 01:26:48,750 going to give him two credits. Because I may have been twice 1299 01:26:48,750 --> 01:26:49,080 okay. 1300 01:26:49,110 --> 01:26:53,370 You know, I think I saw no, no, I wouldn't have seen that so 1301 01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:54,990 well. Hey, thank you very much. 1302 01:26:55,170 --> 01:26:58,800 Booze. Exactly the same message. Thank you Mr. Bogert, even if it 1303 01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:05,970 was on accident, see, so go see his AI cooking, give it a shot, 1304 01:27:06,480 --> 01:27:12,360 monthly donors, Duane Goldy $8 Thank you, oh, Erskine. $11.14. 1305 01:27:12,450 --> 01:27:16,830 Always the same amount. Michael Gagan $5 James Charles current 1306 01:27:17,100 --> 01:27:23,640 $5 James Sullivan $10 Shawn McCune $20 Christopher Raymer 1307 01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:29,850 $10 Jordan dunville gave us $10 Stew coats Satan himself gave us 1308 01:27:29,850 --> 01:27:37,530 $6.66 dribs got $15 drip is all over the place today. Jeff 1309 01:27:37,530 --> 01:27:46,440 Miller $20 Leslie Martin $2 Michael Kimmerer $5.33 Aaron 1310 01:27:46,440 --> 01:27:54,030 Renaud $5 Pedro gone calvus $5 Droid works $20 Scott Jobert $12 1311 01:27:54,030 --> 01:27:56,250 and Mark Graham $1 1312 01:27:56,400 --> 01:28:01,950 Thank you all so much. This is a what is a comic strip bloggers. 1313 01:28:02,550 --> 01:28:04,380 Podcasting. I'm gonna put it in the show notes. 1314 01:28:05,010 --> 01:28:13,230 Ai dot cooking AI. And I believe I may be wrong, but he I believe 1315 01:28:13,230 --> 01:28:15,720 he's hosting on Anchor. Oh, 1316 01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:23,190 of course. I've known him for a long time. I can say these 1317 01:28:23,190 --> 01:28:26,400 things. Yes. He says horrible things about me from time to 1318 01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:29,340 time. It's our relationship. It's always been like this. 1319 01:28:30,300 --> 01:28:36,600 And I couldn't Yes, it's of course I forgive. I forgive you. 1320 01:28:37,020 --> 01:28:37,740 prematurely. 1321 01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:43,080 Why do you dislike I got a note from megaphone today. Did you? 1322 01:28:43,170 --> 01:28:44,190 Oh, yeah. You want to hear this? 1323 01:28:44,340 --> 01:28:46,230 I've been putting ads on your podcast without you know, 1324 01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:50,340 man, I'm telling you now. It was it was actually it was better 1325 01:28:50,340 --> 01:28:54,540 than that. It was it was one of those, you know, hey, we got we 1326 01:28:54,540 --> 01:28:58,200 got the whole database of podcasts. So oh, we're gonna 1327 01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:01,260 strip out all these email addresses. And we're gonna do a 1328 01:29:01,260 --> 01:29:07,740 mass marketing campaign. And I just wonder where would you 1329 01:29:07,740 --> 01:29:09,930 think they scraped them themselves? Or is there there's 1330 01:29:09,930 --> 01:29:13,830 got to be a database now that is just out in circulation. There's 1331 01:29:13,830 --> 01:29:15,480 being resold, don't you think? 1332 01:29:16,140 --> 01:29:19,590 I'm sure but but one thing is can one thing you can be sure of 1333 01:29:19,590 --> 01:29:23,670 is not coming from us because we do not publish. We have all the 1334 01:29:23,670 --> 01:29:26,730 email addresses of everything. But we do not make them public 1335 01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:29,970 at all and never will. That's gross. And we're never doing 1336 01:29:29,970 --> 01:29:34,500 that. I don't want to be somebodies source for marketing. 1337 01:29:34,650 --> 01:29:35,460 Garbage. 1338 01:29:35,669 --> 01:29:40,679 Oh my goodness. No, no, no, no. I might have deleted it. That's 1339 01:29:40,679 --> 01:29:43,739 too bad. It was it was basically Hey, I've been listening to no 1340 01:29:43,739 --> 01:29:46,709 agenda and I really love it. I think we could really work with 1341 01:29:46,709 --> 01:29:51,839 you on some white here it is. Okay, this megaphone. This is 1342 01:29:51,839 --> 01:29:56,309 from Alison Klein. Oh, this is even more interesting. Spotify. 1343 01:29:56,759 --> 01:30:00,599 Space X space, no agenda Monitor. Hi zation 1344 01:30:00,599 --> 01:30:06,329 opportunities. I shall read this in the voice of Allison. Allison 1345 01:30:06,329 --> 01:30:10,859 Klein publishers Solutions Associate. And she has a an 1346 01:30:10,859 --> 01:30:16,049 Allison kay@spotify.com email. Hi, Adam. My name is Alison, I 1347 01:30:16,049 --> 01:30:19,049 work on the megaphone business development team at Spotify, 1348 01:30:19,079 --> 01:30:22,979 exclamation mark. I'm super impressed by no agenda and would 1349 01:30:22,979 --> 01:30:25,829 love to discuss opportunities for monetization through 1350 01:30:25,829 --> 01:30:30,029 megaphone. In case you're not familiar, megaphone. Yes. Do 1351 01:30:30,030 --> 01:30:31,650 you think she's ever actually listened to it? 1352 01:30:32,549 --> 01:30:35,549 I mean, maybe she missed the part where we say we have no 1353 01:30:35,549 --> 01:30:39,389 advertisements no commercials, no creepy money from China or 1354 01:30:39,389 --> 01:30:42,989 other corporations. Maybe she missed that. But she says in 1355 01:30:42,989 --> 01:30:46,769 case I'm not familiar, megaphone is Spotify is podcast technology 1356 01:30:46,769 --> 01:30:52,049 platform, Pa o that helps creators publish, measure and 1357 01:30:52,049 --> 01:30:56,579 monetize their podcasts. Some other top networks like I heart, 1358 01:30:56,639 --> 01:30:59,399 Wall Street Journal and ESPN are using megaphone to manage their 1359 01:30:59,399 --> 01:31:03,869 podcasts and drive revenue for remnant ad inventory who am at 1360 01:31:03,869 --> 01:31:08,699 the bottom of the barrel. By connect it get the scrapings 1361 01:31:08,699 --> 01:31:10,019 left the leftover 1362 01:31:10,650 --> 01:31:13,440 like connecting with that you can't sell right that's exactly 1363 01:31:13,440 --> 01:31:16,680 that's yeah, connecting with Spotify network of advertising 1364 01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:19,740 partners, also known as the Spotify Audience Network. 1365 01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:24,360 Apparently they own the audience. I'd love the chance to 1366 01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:27,180 learn more about your show and discuss a few options for 1367 01:31:27,180 --> 01:31:29,970 monetization. Let me know if there's a good time connector 1368 01:31:29,970 --> 01:31:34,560 feel free to grab some time on my calendar. Oh wait there's a 1369 01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:41,610 link who does this Well, welcome to my scheduling played page 1370 01:31:41,610 --> 01:31:47,220 please follow the instructions Oh my follow up and put it on 1371 01:31:47,220 --> 01:31:47,730 the show. 1372 01:31:48,870 --> 01:31:53,370 We should interview and see if we can sell our remnant 1373 01:31:53,370 --> 01:31:59,400 podcasting 2.0 inventory what remnant in the in regard remnant 1374 01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:02,880 on radio is the like three o'clock in the morning stuff 1375 01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:03,240 right? 1376 01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:11,430 Yeah, this is thing think I think this is so you have you 1377 01:32:11,430 --> 01:32:14,910 have spots left you basically you can't fill your ad slots. So 1378 01:32:14,910 --> 01:32:18,420 I need to find something and then they have some drivel that 1379 01:32:18,780 --> 01:32:22,500 you know is going to be below quality the advertisers and will 1380 01:32:22,500 --> 01:32:24,120 probably be a very low CPM. 1381 01:32:24,570 --> 01:32:28,260 Li Shan like ShamWow guy or something like that. That would 1382 01:32:28,260 --> 01:32:29,220 be two o'clock. Yeah, that 1383 01:32:29,220 --> 01:32:32,400 would be infomercial, but not just who knows just cheap shit. 1384 01:32:32,430 --> 01:32:34,020 Just cheap shit. Yeah, that's 1385 01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:38,160 yeah, we should sell it. We should sell some podcasting. 2.0 1386 01:32:38,370 --> 01:32:46,050 inventory slots? No. is what megaphone should do for us? Our 1387 01:32:46,050 --> 01:32:47,520 monetization strategy? 1388 01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:53,280 Yeah, well, not everything in the world is about monetizing. 1389 01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:55,470 See the job we're doing here. 1390 01:32:57,990 --> 01:32:59,580 Some of it's about poverty. Yeah. 1391 01:32:59,610 --> 01:33:03,420 Do we have anything else for our board meeting here before 1392 01:33:03,420 --> 01:33:06,240 everyone files out and grabs a coffee and a doughnut on the way 1393 01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:06,540 out? 1394 01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:12,240 Well, I've got some really funny stuff about NF T's. Oh, okay. 1395 01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:14,610 And how stupid that thing is, but next week, 1396 01:33:14,970 --> 01:33:19,200 okay, because that'll give Brian of London some time to get ready 1397 01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:21,030 to take notes to excoriate you. 1398 01:33:21,780 --> 01:33:26,220 Well, he's got no what he'll do is he'll he'll code up a hive to 1399 01:33:26,220 --> 01:33:31,500 NFT gateway, or some some crap that like, Bitcoin shoots out in 1400 01:33:31,500 --> 01:33:33,990 fts. The other side, I gotta tell you, man running on his 1401 01:33:33,990 --> 01:33:34,920 mom's laptop. 1402 01:33:34,950 --> 01:33:39,180 There's there's two people who keep me yammering at me about NF 1403 01:33:39,180 --> 01:33:45,000 T's one is comics read blogger. And the other one is Mo. Mo's, 1404 01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:47,580 like there's something here I'm I want to do something with 1405 01:33:47,580 --> 01:33:48,120 this. Okay. 1406 01:33:48,810 --> 01:33:52,230 Okay, let's talk about it next week. Because you hear how this 1407 01:33:52,230 --> 01:33:53,400 stuff happens. 1408 01:33:53,430 --> 01:33:58,950 Oh, yeah. No, I Okay, we'll do that next week. Thank you, 1409 01:33:58,950 --> 01:34:02,010 everybody. Thanks for for sticking around and waiting a 1410 01:34:02,010 --> 01:34:05,190 little bit for the board meeting due to technical difficulties. 1411 01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:10,050 We'll be back again. Next Friday. Do once again give you 1412 01:34:10,050 --> 01:34:14,010 the latest from podcast index.org The namespace and the 1413 01:34:14,010 --> 01:34:15,360 social see that everybody? 1414 01:34:30,750 --> 01:34:35,340 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast 1415 01:34:35,340 --> 01:34:37,920 index.com. For more information