1 00:00:00,570 --> 00:00:05,820 podcasting 2.0 for November 19 2021, episode 63 we're 2 00:00:05,820 --> 00:00:12,510 hovering at 500 feet that is, hello everybody. Tom once again 3 00:00:12,510 --> 00:00:17,310 for the board meeting. We're all the directors, join hands every 4 00:00:17,310 --> 00:00:20,430 single Friday and discuss everything happening in 5 00:00:20,430 --> 00:00:25,140 podcasting. 2.0 a podcast index.org the podcast namespace, 6 00:00:25,380 --> 00:00:28,620 and of course, all the genius ideas that are being developed 7 00:00:28,620 --> 00:00:32,460 now at podcast index social. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of 8 00:00:32,460 --> 00:00:35,610 Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the man who creates all 9 00:00:35,610 --> 00:00:39,210 directories as root, my friend on the other end, Mr. Dave 10 00:00:39,210 --> 00:00:40,140 Jones, 11 00:00:41,100 --> 00:00:43,680 he tried to get me to try and get me angry before the show. 12 00:00:45,480 --> 00:00:47,820 How can I mess with Dave? I know. 13 00:00:48,330 --> 00:00:55,950 Yeah, thanks. It's a little bit of a different schedule for us. 14 00:00:55,950 --> 00:00:58,650 We usually record at noon and this is 230 30. 15 00:00:58,830 --> 00:01:01,920 Did we did we alert everybody else? Because I think people 16 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,490 arrange their their Fridays around the show sometimes. 17 00:01:05,490 --> 00:01:07,830 Because after all, you know it is a weekly board meeting 18 00:01:07,830 --> 00:01:11,280 everyone. It is mandatory. Mandatory attendance, obviously. 19 00:01:11,790 --> 00:01:14,190 Oh, yeah. Clearly Yeah, absolutely. I don't think we 20 00:01:14,190 --> 00:01:16,290 told everybody this. Everybody's just gonna be standing out in 21 00:01:16,290 --> 00:01:19,470 the lobby. Like just like, what was the door locked? 22 00:01:19,770 --> 00:01:21,510 Let me in. Let me in. Yeah. 23 00:01:22,050 --> 00:01:25,440 I mean, there's no coffee, what was going on here. So we started 24 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:30,420 to leave the office to come to this dish on the lunch break. 25 00:01:30,420 --> 00:01:35,970 And so as I was leaving a little bit late, and then on my way 26 00:01:35,970 --> 00:01:38,670 out, I'm like, oh, I need to go do a couple things in server 27 00:01:38,670 --> 00:01:43,290 room real quick. Walk in there. Notice that there's a there's a 28 00:01:43,290 --> 00:01:47,490 battery ups we got a rack of UPS is we don't have tons of on 29 00:01:47,490 --> 00:01:50,310 premise equipment, but we do have some. So we have a rack of 30 00:01:50,310 --> 00:01:53,910 VPs and I noticed there's a light on one of them. And I 31 00:01:53,910 --> 00:01:57,000 didn't have not gotten an alert about it. Oh, so it must it must 32 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,840 have just happened. Like Like literally, you know, of course. 33 00:02:01,110 --> 00:02:04,710 The minute you're ready to walk out the door is when the lights 34 00:02:04,710 --> 00:02:08,160 go Winky blinking of course, this dude, dude named Ben law. 35 00:02:08,190 --> 00:02:09,120 We all know it yet. 36 00:02:09,270 --> 00:02:11,580 So I'm like, Okay, well, I mean, I'm good. I'll go ahead and I'll 37 00:02:11,580 --> 00:02:16,650 just pop this this battery pack out. And then I'll go get I'll 38 00:02:16,650 --> 00:02:21,090 go get the battery pack rebuilt after and after my lunch break 39 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:27,060 on the way back to the office. And so I go to pull it out. And 40 00:02:27,390 --> 00:02:31,650 I get it gets about halfway out. It will not come out. I mean, I 41 00:02:31,650 --> 00:02:32,130 spent 42 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:37,080 this is some sexy some sexy battery talk here doing. So let 43 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,420 me just get this straight. So you pulled it halfway out. You 44 00:02:39,420 --> 00:02:41,130 couldn't get it out? Oh my gosh. 45 00:02:41,430 --> 00:02:44,220 It would the rest of it. The rest of it will not come out. It 46 00:02:44,220 --> 00:02:48,420 was it. So the batteries in it's a four. It's a four battery 47 00:02:48,420 --> 00:02:51,330 pack. And so the batteries in the front were fine. One of the 48 00:02:51,330 --> 00:02:55,470 batteries in the back. were swollen. Oh so big that it 49 00:02:55,470 --> 00:02:56,970 wouldn't it would not come out. 50 00:02:57,060 --> 00:03:01,440 Or you got to be careful of that. But I'm just saying Can 51 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,690 you can you turn your mic down just a little bit your your 52 00:03:03,690 --> 00:03:07,440 splattering on me today. Oh my super hot. Yeah. Dave you're 53 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,150 always hot. Okay, how 54 00:03:09,150 --> 00:03:09,780 about Yeah, 55 00:03:09,809 --> 00:03:14,519 that's great. Thank you. That's great. So you got to be careful 56 00:03:14,519 --> 00:03:17,459 of those. It's especially if it's swollen. 57 00:03:18,630 --> 00:03:20,490 It's not a good look. That's not good. 58 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,000 Oh, I don't trust those at all. 59 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,170 Well, I ended up having to get those lead acid batteries. 60 00:03:28,170 --> 00:03:28,620 Are they? 61 00:03:29,640 --> 00:03:33,360 Yeah, no, they're Yeah, they're lead. It's uh, I was trying 62 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:33,990 everything I got a 63 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,380 bunch of details. See, 64 00:03:37,530 --> 00:03:44,550 like these days a 12 volt 12 volt what are they they look 65 00:03:44,550 --> 00:03:47,340 like those alarm system batteries that the small boxes 66 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:52,140 turned on their side is I think I think they're 12 volt unit 67 00:03:52,140 --> 00:03:52,320 Yeah. 68 00:03:52,590 --> 00:03:55,050 let you slide them in. I have them on the doors I think. 69 00:03:55,679 --> 00:03:59,189 Yeah, so like there's like four of them. Yeah, in series. Yeah. 70 00:03:59,219 --> 00:04:03,419 And I get the the screwdriver can't get it out. Bigger 71 00:04:03,419 --> 00:04:05,819 screwdriver will come out now just drill 72 00:04:05,820 --> 00:04:07,170 into it man just drill into 73 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:13,380 acid spew all over my face. You know? Like I'm the former, you 74 00:04:13,380 --> 00:04:16,620 know, from a sort of former former Soviet dictator This is 75 00:04:16,620 --> 00:04:19,050 the stuff that people have eight people in the office don't 76 00:04:19,050 --> 00:04:24,330 realize the harrowing situations the the time in the interruption 77 00:04:24,330 --> 00:04:29,010 of life that sis admins go through almost died down easily, 78 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,640 easily. I mean, if it wasn't the Rona, then the lead acid battery 79 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,910 will get you I mean, it's just and all them thinking they can 80 00:04:35,910 --> 00:04:37,770 fix you with a pizza. I mean, it's just crazy. 81 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,770 It's crazy. Yeah, but now finally just finally jammed this 82 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,790 wire cutter like side cutters in there and just like, you know, 83 00:04:47,850 --> 00:04:51,210 gave it the old heave ho and it's like, bam, it just popped 84 00:04:51,210 --> 00:04:51,390 out. 85 00:04:51,780 --> 00:04:54,390 Thank goodness he still got to go back and fix that situation 86 00:04:54,390 --> 00:04:57,210 then later after the show. Yeah, pretty much. Well, thank you 87 00:04:57,270 --> 00:05:00,270 see, just before we started tastes like I'm not I'm going to 88 00:05:00,270 --> 00:05:03,390 tell you this. I'll tell it on the show. And it's good to know 89 00:05:03,390 --> 00:05:06,180 because this is a rule for all podcasters. And sometimes we do 90 00:05:06,180 --> 00:05:09,060 have assessors here who look into the board meeting. Oh, 91 00:05:09,060 --> 00:05:14,160 yeah. That's not SS or what do you call it? That's the European 92 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:18,720 name. Would you call it a? If you when you monitor a college 93 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,900 class, you're a auditor. Auditor. There you go. Yeah. 94 00:05:22,530 --> 00:05:26,160 Even better. It never talked about stuff beforehand. It 95 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:31,410 sucks. It will ruin it. And and message to Kyron because 96 00:05:31,410 --> 00:05:35,640 Karen's, he's gonna have me on mere mortals. Which Oh, yeah, 97 00:05:35,670 --> 00:05:38,040 I'm excited about that. Because he's, I want to do something 98 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,320 different than all the questions everybody asked him like, oh, 99 00:05:40,350 --> 00:05:44,370 man, I don't think anyone has has not asked me something. But 100 00:05:44,370 --> 00:05:47,730 good luck. Yeah, but that's okay. Cuz, you know, it depends. 101 00:05:47,730 --> 00:05:52,680 You know, if you get me started, we both might be surprised. But 102 00:05:53,610 --> 00:05:56,280 he's like, yeah, and I'll call you and we'll run through what 103 00:05:56,280 --> 00:05:59,100 we're going to talk about. No, no, no, 104 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,910 no. Yeah, that's when I was on survival podcast a few months 105 00:06:02,910 --> 00:06:06,630 ago. Jack Sparrow had me fill out like this form, like, what 106 00:06:06,630 --> 00:06:08,370 do you want to talk about here? You know, hit some questions. 107 00:06:08,370 --> 00:06:11,580 I'm like, I don't want to do this. Like this is no, it's not. 108 00:06:11,610 --> 00:06:14,490 Yeah. You don't want to ask the priest near the pre question or 109 00:06:14,490 --> 00:06:16,140 the what is it? The pre interview, you don't want to 110 00:06:16,140 --> 00:06:16,920 have the pre entry 111 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,250 interview? You know, Dave Jones, you are a real podcaster. Man. 112 00:06:20,250 --> 00:06:23,880 You're a real one. You were born for this. Did you not realize 113 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,390 how born you were for this? I never realized it. Did you ever 114 00:06:27,390 --> 00:06:30,900 do any any college radio? And he? No, 115 00:06:30,930 --> 00:06:33,960 no. I never realized until I tried to get the battery pack. I 116 00:06:34,830 --> 00:06:36,750 realized I'm not made for sysadmin 117 00:06:39,270 --> 00:06:41,970 Oh my goodness. It's a learning day today, isn't it? This is 118 00:06:41,970 --> 00:06:45,690 fabulous. It is. So the most exciting thing for me this week 119 00:06:45,690 --> 00:06:50,280 was heli pad, which you gave me a sneak preview of and I know 120 00:06:50,280 --> 00:06:52,890 you're you're frustrated by it, particularly because you go on 121 00:06:52,890 --> 00:06:55,560 vacation for for a week. Yeah, I'll 122 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,000 be gone next week. Yep. Yeah. So 123 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:01,440 when do you leave Monday? No, we leave tomorrow. Go good. So we 124 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,050 won't have a show next, or we won't have just no board 125 00:07:04,050 --> 00:07:06,750 meeting. For next week. That's gonna be tough. I don't know 126 00:07:06,750 --> 00:07:09,630 what we're all done. Maybe I'll just release an hour and a half 127 00:07:09,630 --> 00:07:14,220 of Nice playing bucks, fizz and ABA and since we have such a 128 00:07:14,220 --> 00:07:19,650 playlist now. Thanks, Jeremy. Theramin books? Oh, my goodness, 129 00:07:19,650 --> 00:07:21,660 I can hook it up. Yeah. All right. Let's 130 00:07:21,660 --> 00:07:23,790 face covers on there. My Friday just 131 00:07:23,790 --> 00:07:29,010 opened up. Okay, nice. Bucks is on the Theramin. So I know you 132 00:07:29,010 --> 00:07:32,550 want to get this all work in all perfect. And initially when when 133 00:07:32,550 --> 00:07:35,730 you gave me the first code, it's like, okay, it started to work 134 00:07:35,730 --> 00:07:40,740 pretty well. For 30 seconds. Yeah, for a little bit there. 135 00:07:40,950 --> 00:07:44,490 And then. And then you had the new code. And this was fun, 136 00:07:44,490 --> 00:07:48,150 because I installed the new code, which took me a little bit 137 00:07:48,150 --> 00:07:51,480 because of course, Operator error forgot to use sudo all 138 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:55,260 this stuff. And then I said, Yeah, I said, Dave, I'll just 139 00:07:55,260 --> 00:07:57,930 reboot it. You say yeah, but don't you have that too late? I 140 00:07:57,930 --> 00:08:02,430 already rebooted it comes back out, nothing's working. I had 141 00:08:02,430 --> 00:08:06,930 now have three, three external drive images. Alright. And Alex 142 00:08:06,930 --> 00:08:10,020 gates, very kindly had sent me a link about oh, this is how you 143 00:08:10,020 --> 00:08:14,190 do the logical drive and map it that way. And I looked at it why 144 00:08:15,510 --> 00:08:18,330 did you do it? No, no, no, of course not. Of 145 00:08:18,330 --> 00:08:21,240 course now, because I figured I just want to know if I got the 146 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:25,860 node back up and running to the site, which means I had to start 147 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:30,000 because what happens is, I had this it's actually the external 148 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,240 drivers, you EMI II, I can't remember why I named it that. So 149 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:38,370 then I got a UMP two, and a one. And then I got you, me too. And 150 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:42,210 each time that happens, you have to go into the new directory. 151 00:08:42,390 --> 00:08:46,020 There'll be slash media slash Adam, I think slash U MMI. E 152 00:08:46,020 --> 00:08:49,020 three, a two in this case. And then you have to start the 153 00:08:49,020 --> 00:08:51,600 script. But then it'll say, Oh, I can't do it. Because this 154 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,460 Docker is already right. And you got to delete all these 155 00:08:53,460 --> 00:08:56,790 containers. And then you delete these containers and it actually 156 00:08:56,820 --> 00:09:00,630 in use, keep starting it up each time. And they'll say no, and 157 00:09:00,630 --> 00:09:02,880 you can see all the ones that are being recreated and it 158 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,850 works. And then it stops. You got to delete that with it is a 159 00:09:05,850 --> 00:09:08,550 crazy process. But I figured that out, and I have it running. 160 00:09:08,790 --> 00:09:14,790 And I am receiving some booster grams, some of the time. But 161 00:09:14,790 --> 00:09:18,090 it's kind of sporadic. And and I think that Well, you can explain 162 00:09:18,090 --> 00:09:21,540 it better night can I got it to work because you said the 163 00:09:21,540 --> 00:09:27,720 database is written as root and not writable. So nothing can 164 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:31,920 really happen. So I change the owner change the permissions and 165 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,380 stuff started to work right away, but it's kind of sketch. 166 00:09:34,380 --> 00:09:37,890 So I guess that's it's just it's not quite where it has to be 167 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:38,580 what happened? 168 00:09:39,539 --> 00:09:45,959 So the Yeah, what you just said that it's all boils down to a 169 00:09:45,959 --> 00:09:50,339 database issue. There were a couple of bugs that they were 170 00:09:50,339 --> 00:09:53,099 easy to fix. I mean, they weren't showstoppers by any 171 00:09:53,099 --> 00:09:59,219 means. But what so the way this works is, we is you take your 172 00:09:59,219 --> 00:10:01,889 binary or your Your script or whatever this app is going to 173 00:10:01,889 --> 00:10:06,299 be, essentially the app as the app is just your software in 174 00:10:06,299 --> 00:10:14,159 whatever form it takes, packaged as a Docker image. And then you 175 00:10:14,159 --> 00:10:20,519 give Umbral a, what's called a Docker compose file. 176 00:10:20,849 --> 00:10:26,489 Yeah. D compose dot yml. Yes, doctor desk. Exciting. Yes, I 177 00:10:26,489 --> 00:10:28,859 got to edit that myself. That's 178 00:10:28,889 --> 00:10:34,109 terrifying. But you give it the Docker compose file, and you put 179 00:10:34,109 --> 00:10:40,349 it in a certain directory. So you put it in apps, slash, this 180 00:10:40,349 --> 00:10:43,889 is all within the Umbral file system. You put it in apps slash 181 00:10:44,219 --> 00:10:47,729 podcasting, two point podcasting, two Oh, dash boosts. 182 00:10:47,729 --> 00:10:50,519 And so that's the name of this, this, this the underlying name 183 00:10:50,519 --> 00:10:53,579 of this app. So then you put this Docker compose file in 184 00:10:53,579 --> 00:10:57,689 there the Docker compose as some configuration parameters in it, 185 00:10:57,689 --> 00:11:02,249 and one of them is the is the Docker image. Did it's going to 186 00:11:02,279 --> 00:11:09,149 pull in to install Yes. So you give it that you give it that 187 00:11:09,149 --> 00:11:16,589 Docker compose file, and then you run a script called App. And 188 00:11:16,589 --> 00:11:22,379 you do app space install space, podcasting, 20 Dash boosts. And 189 00:11:22,379 --> 00:11:26,129 so then it looks and finds the Docker compose file, pulls the 190 00:11:26,129 --> 00:11:31,829 Docker image from Docker Hub, and runs it. And in the process 191 00:11:31,859 --> 00:11:37,229 gives it the the appropriate environment variables and 192 00:11:37,229 --> 00:11:40,049 runtime parameters that it needs that you specified in Docker 193 00:11:40,049 --> 00:11:46,499 Compose. So that's all great. One of the parameters in there 194 00:11:46,919 --> 00:11:53,939 is to mount a volume on the host. So you have so you 195 00:11:53,939 --> 00:11:57,749 imagine, okay, this, there's this file system here. And 196 00:11:57,749 --> 00:12:01,409 within the Umbral directory system, one of the folders is 197 00:12:01,409 --> 00:12:07,019 called app dash data. Inside the app desk data folder is a sub 198 00:12:07,019 --> 00:12:11,189 folder for each installed app. So that means podcasting. 20 199 00:12:11,189 --> 00:12:14,369 Dash boost gets a sub folder by default in there just gets auto 200 00:12:14,369 --> 00:12:19,619 created. All good, still all fine. It gets created with the 201 00:12:19,619 --> 00:12:23,459 appropriate ownership and permissions. When the Docker 202 00:12:23,459 --> 00:12:30,089 image runs for the podcasting 20 Boost app, it automatically 203 00:12:30,089 --> 00:12:35,519 mounts volume on the host. So the so what you end up with is 204 00:12:35,519 --> 00:12:39,029 this app dash data slash podcasting 20 Dash boost slash 205 00:12:39,029 --> 00:12:40,679 data folder slash 206 00:12:40,710 --> 00:12:43,650 SQ light slash yet 207 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,859 data that was yeah, that was kind of irrelevant, because it's 208 00:12:46,979 --> 00:12:51,509 just sub folders of stuff. But so the what is what this is 209 00:12:51,509 --> 00:12:54,809 doing is it's it's it's taking a folder on the host system, which 210 00:12:54,809 --> 00:12:58,889 in this case is the Umbral and presenting that folder to the 211 00:12:58,889 --> 00:13:04,439 app as if it's as if it's in as if it's the Apps folder, you can 212 00:13:04,439 --> 00:13:09,149 use. It's essentially a shared folder between the between the 213 00:13:09,149 --> 00:13:14,009 Docker image and the host. If you didn't have that, because 214 00:13:14,009 --> 00:13:16,949 the way Docker image works is with excuse me, the way Docker 215 00:13:16,949 --> 00:13:21,029 works is every time you restart an image, it's like you built a 216 00:13:21,029 --> 00:13:24,329 whole brand new computer all over again. So everything gets 217 00:13:24,329 --> 00:13:27,989 wiped back to factory default every time you put the image up. 218 00:13:28,619 --> 00:13:32,189 So what would happen is if you didn't have a shared folder, you 219 00:13:32,189 --> 00:13:34,619 would wipe your database every single time you restarted the 220 00:13:34,619 --> 00:13:35,009 image. 221 00:13:35,009 --> 00:13:38,789 Got it? Yeah. Okay. So what's happening is happening for some 222 00:13:38,789 --> 00:13:42,809 reason, the Docker, Docker, when the Docker image is going to 223 00:13:42,809 --> 00:13:46,259 create this file inside its shared folder, it writes that 224 00:13:46,259 --> 00:13:47,189 file as root. 225 00:13:49,620 --> 00:13:51,930 It that's what I thought was happening initially, 226 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,570 oh, we have an update, new shit has come to light. 227 00:13:55,440 --> 00:14:00,060 Well, when when you first installed the app, what was 228 00:14:00,060 --> 00:14:06,510 happening is it was not writing, add add a path problem. So it 229 00:14:06,510 --> 00:14:09,000 was not even writing the database. So your database was 230 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,810 getting built inside the image by accident. Ooh, okay. That was 231 00:14:12,810 --> 00:14:18,780 fixed in pretty quick. Then what happened was it was writing the 232 00:14:18,780 --> 00:14:23,220 database file out to the shared the shared data folder, but it 233 00:14:23,220 --> 00:14:26,250 was writing it but when the shared data folder gets created, 234 00:14:26,250 --> 00:14:31,440 the owner is root. And so nobody else has rights to have to write 235 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:36,330 to it. What I don't understand. I still don't understand this is 236 00:14:36,330 --> 00:14:38,670 that it must be something with the permissions maybe the 237 00:14:38,670 --> 00:14:43,830 execute bit is set, but not the right bit or something like 238 00:14:43,830 --> 00:14:47,340 that. I'm not real sure. But it was happening as it allows the 239 00:14:47,340 --> 00:14:51,540 database to be created. But it can't be written to. 240 00:14:53,220 --> 00:14:58,800 Are you sure because I could have sworn that. That my shared 241 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:02,160 folder was written as actually but that the everything inside 242 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,760 it was written as a as root 243 00:15:06,809 --> 00:15:10,679 on mine, that that might be the case on yours own mine, what it 244 00:15:10,679 --> 00:15:16,889 does is, is even the Data folder itself is ownership by root in 245 00:15:16,889 --> 00:15:23,549 everything by default inherits that below it. So, in the same 246 00:15:23,549 --> 00:15:29,849 thing is happening on Oh no, Brian of London is is a boon to 247 00:15:29,849 --> 00:15:34,799 me, excuse me his Umbral is doing the same thing. And so I 248 00:15:34,799 --> 00:15:39,029 thought well, okay, you know, I thought it was my issue inside 249 00:15:39,059 --> 00:15:41,189 with building the image and everything, and I've just beat 250 00:15:41,189 --> 00:15:44,579 my head against the wall, trying all these different techniques 251 00:15:44,579 --> 00:15:48,839 to get this ownership to be different. And I mean, it's been 252 00:15:48,839 --> 00:15:53,489 a total fail at this point, I cannot get the data folder to be 253 00:15:53,489 --> 00:15:58,439 created as the appropriate as the as the Umbral user and not 254 00:15:58,439 --> 00:16:04,049 as root. The here's what I think is happening at this at this 255 00:16:04,049 --> 00:16:10,769 point. I think that if this was being done through the App 256 00:16:10,769 --> 00:16:17,129 Store, properly through through Umbral, I think the ownership 257 00:16:17,129 --> 00:16:22,019 would be correct. I think what's happening is it's it's this as 258 00:16:22,019 --> 00:16:26,819 root because we're doing it, we're running it as sudo. Right. 259 00:16:27,929 --> 00:16:34,409 And on our Ambrose, the Docker daemon is running as root. And 260 00:16:34,409 --> 00:16:37,469 so I think our internet, I think it's just an artifact of 261 00:16:37,469 --> 00:16:41,009 installing this thing, sort of sideloading and not going 262 00:16:41,009 --> 00:16:45,059 through the official Umbral App Store deployment process. And 263 00:16:45,059 --> 00:16:47,699 I'm trying to confirm that with the Umbral guys, but I can't get 264 00:16:47,699 --> 00:16:52,259 anybody to respond to him in their support channels. That's 265 00:16:52,259 --> 00:16:56,789 just his total guess at this point. That that's a long, 266 00:16:56,789 --> 00:17:01,199 boring story, just to say that it's like, it's like, 99% of the 267 00:17:01,199 --> 00:17:04,019 way there and I can't get that last freakin 1%. Done, 268 00:17:04,049 --> 00:17:07,319 right. It's interesting, because I was just looking up at my my 269 00:17:07,319 --> 00:17:13,349 folder structure, and the Data folder. I thought I had changed 270 00:17:13,349 --> 00:17:17,369 it, it may not make any difference. If I if I change the 271 00:17:17,399 --> 00:17:20,399 permissions and the ownership of the database itself doesn't 272 00:17:20,399 --> 00:17:24,569 matter. If that's in a folder that is owned by route. 273 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,220 It could pin it on the way that don't the way that the folder 274 00:17:29,220 --> 00:17:30,090 permissions are set. 275 00:17:30,150 --> 00:17:32,730 Alright, well, I just I just changed it. I saw that it was 276 00:17:32,730 --> 00:17:33,900 route route. It was 277 00:17:33,930 --> 00:17:38,010 group route. So you were in your Umbral folder in the app. I was 278 00:17:38,070 --> 00:17:40,590 I was actually in there. I didn't get stuck. I was able to 279 00:17:40,590 --> 00:17:41,190 pull out 280 00:17:42,540 --> 00:17:47,850 your battery's worse. Well, no. Okay, so if you get so you were 281 00:17:47,850 --> 00:17:51,090 in there in the sub folder for podcasts? 20 Boost Yeah. And you 282 00:17:51,090 --> 00:17:52,800 say your data folder was root. 283 00:17:53,730 --> 00:18:00,330 Actually the SQ light folder. And I thought I changed it. So 284 00:18:00,330 --> 00:18:04,140 the Data folder I changed the atom with full permissions and 285 00:18:05,370 --> 00:18:09,690 now and the database itself was Adam for permissions but the SQ 286 00:18:09,690 --> 00:18:12,840 light folder that the database file is in was not that was root 287 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,330 so I just changed that. Could somebody please boost me? 288 00:18:16,590 --> 00:18:22,380 Dude, do it now? I'm not see your you must be running in an 289 00:18:22,380 --> 00:18:24,480 older image or something? Because I don't I'm not even 290 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:28,170 creating that SQLite folder anymore. Oh, really? Should your 291 00:18:28,170 --> 00:18:30,510 database should be living directly in the Data folder? 292 00:18:31,710 --> 00:18:37,710 Hmm. It's surprising that you even have a SQLite folder. We've 293 00:18:37,710 --> 00:18:39,150 just lost half the listeners because 294 00:18:40,260 --> 00:18:42,930 I don't I don't know if it's boring. I think it's kind of 295 00:18:42,930 --> 00:18:46,470 fun. Can I just move that database? No, I just restart the 296 00:18:46,470 --> 00:18:49,260 image then. And then it would all work magically reboot the 297 00:18:49,260 --> 00:18:56,310 server and wait on the shutter while you fix your IMEI or 298 00:18:56,310 --> 00:18:56,970 whatever. Well, 299 00:18:57,210 --> 00:19:01,140 what I will say and Tina had a front row seat, she said wow, 300 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,110 cuz I said she said what are you doing? You know, when I'm typing 301 00:19:04,110 --> 00:19:07,290 rate ferociously, and I'm not listening to anything I've been 302 00:19:07,290 --> 00:19:09,090 sucked into the screen to do 303 00:19:09,090 --> 00:19:11,700 and I was literally giving you commands to run through signal. 304 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:12,750 Oh, yeah. 305 00:19:12,990 --> 00:19:17,940 And Anna like, Dave and I are working on heli pad. Two. She 306 00:19:17,940 --> 00:19:21,000 knows what that is. She says, Okay, what's going? Well, it 307 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,910 broke just Oh no. And she's like, Oh my God. No, no, this is 308 00:19:23,940 --> 00:19:28,410 this is what we do. This is the fun part. Is it you know Dave 309 00:19:28,410 --> 00:19:32,610 trying to command me like I'm the stewardess flying 747 given 310 00:19:32,610 --> 00:19:36,750 me commands all right, flaps one Okay. From airplanes you see 311 00:19:36,750 --> 00:19:41,460 that big red knob pull that one back? I enjoy that part of the 312 00:19:41,460 --> 00:19:44,700 process immensely. As you know, I was in bed SSH in from my 313 00:19:44,700 --> 00:19:45,150 phone. 314 00:19:45,570 --> 00:19:49,890 You were just saying yes. And I don't know. I'm like, oh wait 315 00:19:49,890 --> 00:19:51,960 crap. You're doing this from a phone. Oh my god, you're blowing 316 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:52,620 my brains out. 317 00:19:53,940 --> 00:19:57,540 Terminus man, Terminus works perfectly. I'm proficient with 318 00:19:57,540 --> 00:20:01,530 it. I'm proficient. Well, good. So I I'll, after the show, I'll 319 00:20:01,530 --> 00:20:04,980 definitely try the every I mean, it's working. I've seen it work. 320 00:20:05,070 --> 00:20:08,130 I see boosts come in, I can send something but it's completely 321 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:09,870 wonky. So 322 00:20:10,889 --> 00:20:14,309 it's, I think it's every time the image restarts, everything 323 00:20:14,309 --> 00:20:17,639 just goes, it just goes haywire. Again, even if you set the 324 00:20:17,639 --> 00:20:20,159 permissions and all that stuff. It's just not it's not stable. 325 00:20:20,159 --> 00:20:21,359 It's just completely unstable. 326 00:20:21,479 --> 00:20:24,839 Yeah. All right. We'll just have to wait a week, then. Hope you 327 00:20:24,839 --> 00:20:26,129 enjoy your vacation, huh? 328 00:20:26,310 --> 00:20:30,150 Yeah, it'd be good to see stuff like this for my own mental 329 00:20:30,150 --> 00:20:33,900 health. Because I know that I'm gonna, this is gonna be like, 330 00:20:33,930 --> 00:20:36,900 eating away at me the entire time. I'm gonna I'm just gonna 331 00:20:36,900 --> 00:20:39,000 be like, No, you know, 332 00:20:39,090 --> 00:20:43,020 I had to talk when we first launched it. I think that was a 333 00:20:43,020 --> 00:20:48,420 Wednesday, we could go and any or some it wasn't working and 334 00:20:48,420 --> 00:20:52,770 was complicate whatever it was. And then the next morning, it 335 00:20:52,770 --> 00:20:55,380 was working, then it wasn't working. I don't know exactly 336 00:20:55,380 --> 00:20:58,140 what it was. But I remember having to because it was show 337 00:20:58,140 --> 00:21:01,650 day Thursday morning. Like I have to, I can't do this. Now. 338 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,130 If I if I try and re install or whatever it is, I want to do 339 00:21:05,130 --> 00:21:08,520 with the time I will screw up the no agenda show. I had to 340 00:21:08,580 --> 00:21:12,750 walk, go outside and walk around to calm myself down and get over 341 00:21:12,750 --> 00:21:13,020 it. 342 00:21:13,380 --> 00:21:17,070 When you were asking me about that. On Wednesday night, 343 00:21:17,070 --> 00:21:19,740 Thursday morning, I was like, I was like, no, no, don't you need 344 00:21:19,740 --> 00:21:20,370 to walk away? 345 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:24,360 Yeah, it was. It was really hard. I had to I had to really 346 00:21:24,420 --> 00:21:27,390 push my and I, you know, because I know that. It was probably my 347 00:21:27,390 --> 00:21:30,330 whole note at that point is like I know how but Sats are coming 348 00:21:30,330 --> 00:21:35,790 in. I'm missing the SATs and people get error messages. I had 349 00:21:35,790 --> 00:21:38,670 to talk myself off a big ledge their big lead. 350 00:21:38,670 --> 00:21:40,680 Yeah. No, I know. I know that feeling. 351 00:21:41,670 --> 00:21:49,350 So to switch gears, yeah, good. It feels like podcasting. 2.0 352 00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:52,080 features are popping up everywhere in the commercial 353 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:59,100 landscape. Only. They're not podcasting 2.0 features. You 354 00:21:59,100 --> 00:22:04,170 know, there's I think the people are seeing all of the adoption 355 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,190 of Well, I mean, this there's this commercial versions of 356 00:22:08,190 --> 00:22:13,470 chapters, there's commercial versions of comments I saw 357 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:19,980 Danone afforded me an email from good good pods, good pods, and 358 00:22:20,010 --> 00:22:22,590 good pods, oh, I've got something fantastic. Now in the 359 00:22:22,590 --> 00:22:28,050 good pods app, you can configure a payment method. And then users 360 00:22:28,050 --> 00:22:30,630 using the app can just click on it, whether it's Patreon or 361 00:22:30,630 --> 00:22:36,420 PayPal, or whatever it is, like, yeah, that's called the funding 362 00:22:36,420 --> 00:22:40,920 tag in podcasting. 2.0. It's like we've had that for a while. 363 00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:43,830 So all these things start popping up. And they're all in 364 00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:47,490 their own little silos. And I just want to make a big call out 365 00:22:47,490 --> 00:22:51,180 to everybody and say, your strategy is flawed. There's 366 00:22:51,180 --> 00:22:54,840 enough historical evidence that your strategy is flawed, and you 367 00:22:54,840 --> 00:23:02,460 can get the same. You get the same benefit from using the 368 00:23:02,490 --> 00:23:07,110 namespace features. And you can still it can still be your own 369 00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:10,680 shit. You know, it's still all in your app. You still compete 370 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,820 with whatever you've got. But you're silly. You're silly. If 371 00:23:14,820 --> 00:23:15,690 you do it that way. 372 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,290 Let me make you feel better because I had two good. Actually 373 00:23:19,290 --> 00:23:23,670 three good conversations this past week. One with Mike over at 374 00:23:23,670 --> 00:23:29,520 red circle. A really good guy Fun, fun conversation. Where 375 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:30,180 are they located? 376 00:23:31,470 --> 00:23:37,740 Mike is in Cincinnati, I think. I don't know. You're living on 377 00:23:37,740 --> 00:23:40,710 the air in Cincinnati. Cincinnati. GRP. 378 00:23:43,830 --> 00:23:46,710 See, I'm not sure where they're where they're sort of 379 00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:48,780 headquartered at or if they've even have one, but he's in 380 00:23:48,780 --> 00:23:54,480 Cincinnati. I talked with the guys from clever.fm 381 00:23:54,810 --> 00:23:58,500 Yes, I heard actually, I heard a very good interview that James 382 00:23:58,500 --> 00:24:01,410 Cridland did on pod land and crystallin was all over the 383 00:24:01,410 --> 00:24:05,220 pushing the podcasting. 2.0 which I heard a lot of Yes, of 384 00:24:05,220 --> 00:24:07,440 course, we're going to do that. Yeah. 385 00:24:07,860 --> 00:24:10,710 Had great Yeah, great. Talk with him. Tell me they're They're 386 00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:13,620 good guys. They're gonna they're gonna be doing stuff. I don't 387 00:24:13,620 --> 00:24:15,510 want to be too specific about any of this stuff. Because I 388 00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:16,530 don't want to like Sure, sure. 389 00:24:17,489 --> 00:24:20,939 But they already use the index for they already use the index, 390 00:24:20,939 --> 00:24:21,179 don't 391 00:24:21,180 --> 00:24:24,660 they? Yeah, they used APR. Yeah. Cool. It's so then they're going 392 00:24:24,660 --> 00:24:28,200 to be doing some be using some pockets, 2.0 features to bring 393 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,620 it you know, for their service and everything. And then what 394 00:24:31,620 --> 00:24:37,080 did they want from you? It was Sean and Sean and servi. Over 395 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,900 there, they're just wanting to know, they want to ask me some 396 00:24:39,900 --> 00:24:41,880 questions about just different things. Just make sure that they 397 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,330 had their understanding right now stuff worked excellent. And 398 00:24:45,330 --> 00:24:48,960 then they're also telling me about a couple of weird issues. 399 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,660 They found with the API that they're actually really good. 400 00:24:51,660 --> 00:24:56,790 I'll talk about one of them real quick. So the way the API works, 401 00:24:56,910 --> 00:25:02,580 the way the pockets index API works with With Prower, it tries 402 00:25:02,580 --> 00:25:06,810 to figure out how fast to pole feeds using just a very simple 403 00:25:06,810 --> 00:25:14,670 algorithm. So the algorithm is something like this. If you is, 404 00:25:14,730 --> 00:25:19,590 the more episodes you see in the feed, crammed into a shorter 405 00:25:19,590 --> 00:25:24,420 amount of time, up the priority flag on that feed to pull it 406 00:25:24,449 --> 00:25:27,569 quicker. That makes sense. Meantime between episodes. 407 00:25:28,050 --> 00:25:30,840 That's it. That is a good read it now. 408 00:25:30,959 --> 00:25:33,179 Hey, that's why there's two of us. Okay. 409 00:25:33,959 --> 00:25:36,329 Yeah, I don't have a pin. Don't want that. Okay. Um, I 410 00:25:37,170 --> 00:25:41,370 mean time between episodes. Yes. In TB. That's a that's a 411 00:25:42,090 --> 00:25:47,700 aviation term. Meantime. Meantime. Meantime, before 412 00:25:47,700 --> 00:25:48,390 overhaul. 413 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,290 Okay. It's also a hard drive term, meantime, between failure. 414 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:57,600 MTBF is the common way to rank hard drive. Durability. Yeah, 415 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:02,040 there you go. Yeah, okay. I like this. So you essentially takes 416 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,520 the MTBE turns that into a number into an into a just an 417 00:26:05,700 --> 00:26:08,940 integer. And the higher the number, the faster it poles, 418 00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:13,980 right? There's certain there's certain fields in in the index. 419 00:26:14,670 --> 00:26:19,650 Is it that publish a new item like once an hour, so they're 420 00:26:19,650 --> 00:26:23,790 publishing very quickly, so they get updated a lot. But they 421 00:26:23,790 --> 00:26:28,050 don't get updated a lot because they they replace there only is 422 00:26:28,050 --> 00:26:34,110 ever one episode in the feed. They just got one. Yeah, yeah. 423 00:26:34,110 --> 00:26:37,920 Yeah. It's which, which is it's a use case. I can see it. I can 424 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,720 see many use cases for that. Sure. 425 00:26:40,259 --> 00:26:42,719 Sure. It's like an hourly news show or something like that. 426 00:26:43,019 --> 00:26:45,689 From NPR is the one that did oh, yeah, in 427 00:26:45,690 --> 00:26:49,590 fact, I subscribe to that. Alright, but I get it on the 428 00:26:49,620 --> 00:26:53,040 freedom controllers, I see it in my in my river of news and not 429 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,060 in the podcast app. 430 00:26:54,660 --> 00:26:59,940 Okay, so they that that thing doesn't is not updating properly 431 00:26:59,940 --> 00:27:04,170 because there's no the algorithm fails on it. It doesn't it 432 00:27:04,170 --> 00:27:06,540 doesn't know what to do. It's All Over the Map understood. 433 00:27:06,990 --> 00:27:10,680 I've got to go in there and and put in some an exception for 434 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,620 that use case. Anyway, so they they were telling me about that 435 00:27:13,620 --> 00:27:19,080 some other stuff. Good. Good. Talking with them. And then 436 00:27:20,490 --> 00:27:24,810 there's some talk to some to another host. Is one account is 437 00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:29,760 escaping me. Remember in a second but lots of Oh Amira is a 438 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,730 castle Tata Stacy over a cast. She was asking about some stuff. 439 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,790 How she doing? She She? She did it over there. 440 00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:40,740 Yeah, I mean, I'm like, I want to get Stacy in daycares folks 441 00:27:40,740 --> 00:27:43,500 on the show, but they're not really doing any podcasts in 2.0 442 00:27:43,500 --> 00:27:45,330 stuff and like, well, you know, what 443 00:27:45,330 --> 00:27:48,270 do you what's wrong with you? What's wrong with them? What are 444 00:27:48,270 --> 00:27:52,260 these doing drugs all day? Like? Come on, get on, people. 445 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:57,210 Nothing but a bunch of druggies over there. But they, yeah, so 446 00:27:57,210 --> 00:28:00,060 they're asking some stuff about about integration. Listen, 447 00:28:00,060 --> 00:28:04,410 podcasts, podcasts index stuff. So there's a lot of a lot of 448 00:28:04,410 --> 00:28:09,180 papatasi stuff. Positive energy. Yes, yes. And a lot of people 449 00:28:09,180 --> 00:28:12,330 are figuring things out, you know, sort of just not in a 450 00:28:12,330 --> 00:28:16,650 public way. And I think we're gonna see more. I think we're 451 00:28:16,650 --> 00:28:21,300 just gonna see, just this continued, snowballing of people 452 00:28:21,810 --> 00:28:24,690 doing it. I think people see good ideas and they recognize 453 00:28:24,690 --> 00:28:24,900 them. 454 00:28:24,930 --> 00:28:28,410 Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And I was so delighted to hear the 455 00:28:28,410 --> 00:28:30,930 interview. Who was it arm from clever FM. 456 00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:34,410 Oh, that was Sean and servi. 457 00:28:35,340 --> 00:28:39,510 Must have been Sean. I was just delighted to hear you know, some 458 00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:45,300 knowledgeable 2.0 Talk. Like okay, holy crap. Finalists guys 459 00:28:45,300 --> 00:28:49,290 know what they're doing. Yeah, finally. Yeah. And Mike have a 460 00:28:49,290 --> 00:28:52,980 red circle. Sharp day two. They do. They're doing cool stuff 461 00:28:52,980 --> 00:28:55,500 there as well. I'm just going to keep it keep it on download. 462 00:28:56,220 --> 00:28:57,870 Don't want to blow blows thunder. But 463 00:28:58,020 --> 00:29:00,120 well, since we've since we've been talking about features may 464 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,270 be time to bring in our guests into the board into the 465 00:29:03,270 --> 00:29:03,870 boardroom. 466 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,720 Oh, yeah, I've got some stuff to talk to him about. 467 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,400 That sounds threatening. 468 00:29:09,030 --> 00:29:11,490 No. Good way. I love I love this. 469 00:29:12,540 --> 00:29:15,870 All right. Well, yeah. So we adjusted our time just for him 470 00:29:15,870 --> 00:29:19,290 to make sure it all worked with our intergalactic communication. 471 00:29:19,290 --> 00:29:22,530 He's the developer of the cast ematic podcast player. I 472 00:29:22,530 --> 00:29:27,600 actually dug out my iPhone six, and the App Store said I could 473 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,750 load it but it didn't though. i That's because I had probably on 474 00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:35,100 an iOS eight or some shit like that. So unfortunately, I'm 475 00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:38,370 gonna have to rely on Dave but it's it's in the App Store. It's 476 00:29:38,370 --> 00:29:44,640 a real podcasting 2.0 app. He's also a sailor and a doctor. I 477 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,010 don't know what his spare time is spent on which one of the 478 00:29:47,010 --> 00:29:50,670 three please welcome to the board room, Franco. Celerio. 479 00:29:51,900 --> 00:29:54,450 Hey, there, thank you. Hey, hey. 480 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,170 Hey, no Franco Franco. I have to tell you right off the bat and 481 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:06,540 my brother in law is Italian. And ya know, and He sounds just 482 00:30:06,540 --> 00:30:11,670 like you. He sounds just it's it's, it's true. It's true. 483 00:30:14,370 --> 00:30:16,320 Yeah, I'm actually I'm like You sure you don't have a sound at 484 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,170 all? Because your sound is this a gay they gag you're playing on 485 00:30:19,170 --> 00:30:24,420 me. Anyway Max congratulations on on cast ematic because I hear 486 00:30:24,420 --> 00:30:25,860 so many good things about it. 487 00:30:26,460 --> 00:30:30,870 Thank you. Thank you. I'm really proud of it. And it's it's it's 488 00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:35,070 my my main job right now because yes, as you said, I'm also a 489 00:30:35,070 --> 00:30:37,710 podcaster a sailor and the doctor in the spare time, 490 00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:40,290 the doctors to spare time is 491 00:30:41,550 --> 00:30:47,610 thought to be, but it is no, it's not much. I work as I have 492 00:30:47,610 --> 00:30:51,150 my own practice, private practice, so I can manage my 493 00:30:51,150 --> 00:30:57,090 time as I want. So I do medical practice 344 days a week and the 494 00:30:57,090 --> 00:30:59,340 other days are free for me to study. 495 00:30:59,490 --> 00:31:02,010 Oh, wow. I know. You're a GP? 496 00:31:03,060 --> 00:31:07,320 Yes. Something like that. GP is General General 497 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,960 Practitioner. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. 498 00:31:11,310 --> 00:31:12,180 Sort of. 499 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,150 I know. I know. I know. You're the kind of doctor that's in the 500 00:31:15,150 --> 00:31:17,910 weed store and you give people the prescription? Is that what 501 00:31:17,910 --> 00:31:18,240 you do? 502 00:31:19,950 --> 00:31:24,330 No, actually, I am a doctor that does what the other doctors 503 00:31:24,330 --> 00:31:31,920 don't. I try to I try to improve chronic disease by giving the 504 00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:36,990 the the less amount of drugs possible and just change 505 00:31:36,990 --> 00:31:39,660 changing the diet and changing lifestyle. Your 506 00:31:39,690 --> 00:31:45,210 functional medicine. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I've been doing applied 507 00:31:45,210 --> 00:31:49,680 Kinesia for 11 years. I don't go to a regular doctor anymore. I 508 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,880 love it. Oh, yeah. No, I'm all in on that. Molly. Okay. Oh, 509 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,420 good. All right. So, so much for the weed prescription. But it's 510 00:31:57,420 --> 00:32:06,000 nice that you do that and we can arrange something there. If you 511 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,140 don't mind, just how did you get into developing and how did you 512 00:32:10,770 --> 00:32:13,800 ultimately decide to create Casta Matic 513 00:32:14,820 --> 00:32:20,700 developing is it's been my hobby since I was 12 years old. In 514 00:32:20,700 --> 00:32:25,350 summer time, I was bored. I was going sailing training in the 515 00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:27,870 afternoons. The morning I didn't know what to do. My mother took 516 00:32:27,870 --> 00:32:31,140 me and took me to a private school where they teach the 517 00:32:31,140 --> 00:32:33,120 basic on the Commodore 64. 518 00:32:33,150 --> 00:32:39,540 Yay. So you live in. So here's the guy who lives in San Remo. 519 00:32:39,810 --> 00:32:44,460 Beautiful is this beautiful people walking around in sound 520 00:32:44,460 --> 00:32:49,500 amo? It's beautiful. Whether you're sailor, but yet I'm 521 00:32:49,500 --> 00:32:50,070 bored. 522 00:32:51,420 --> 00:32:53,640 Yes. Classic programmer. Yeah. 523 00:32:54,090 --> 00:32:55,860 It's in your blood, man. It's in your blood. 524 00:32:56,610 --> 00:33:01,440 I'm anything it piccata for a doctor for sale for everything. 525 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,790 But I like to do many different things. And I'm a podcaster, 526 00:33:05,790 --> 00:33:12,750 too. I am. I've been listening to the Delta CRO Charlie, almost 527 00:33:12,750 --> 00:33:13,650 since the beginning. 528 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,910 Wow. Daily source code. Shout out. Nice. Thank you. 529 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:25,410 We met one once in in London. It was Ooh, maybe two times 2006. 530 00:33:25,410 --> 00:33:29,280 It was a podcast con UK. It was a VPN conference 531 00:33:29,310 --> 00:33:30,900 when I was living there probably. 532 00:33:31,380 --> 00:33:35,340 Yeah. So yeah, yeah, there was this conference by these guys. 533 00:33:35,340 --> 00:33:38,160 They invited me and they came to London because I was one of the 534 00:33:38,220 --> 00:33:39,960 or the first Italian. podcasters 535 00:33:39,989 --> 00:33:46,709 Oh, wait. Yes. Wait, did I did I have my pink sweater on? 536 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:48,810 Yeah, see, I 537 00:33:48,810 --> 00:33:53,130 remember it. Yeah, I got some photos. With my pink with my 538 00:33:53,130 --> 00:33:58,020 pink glasses. This was my pink face. Yeah. Pink face. 539 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,190 It's like Van Gogh's blue face. Yes, exactly. That was really 540 00:34:02,190 --> 00:34:06,060 famous. Mm hmm. Okay, I remember. Yeah. Yeah. Rock 541 00:34:06,060 --> 00:34:09,510 Italia? Or what's it called? Rock castle? Rock? Yeah, it's 542 00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:10,860 coming back to me slowly. 543 00:34:11,130 --> 00:34:14,640 Yeah, it was. Music. Positive music. 544 00:34:14,670 --> 00:34:18,360 Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah, 545 00:34:18,510 --> 00:34:22,860 it was strange because you asked me What can pod show the work? 546 00:34:22,890 --> 00:34:26,460 We were working in Paul show at the time. What can Paul's show 547 00:34:26,460 --> 00:34:32,400 do for Italian podcasting? And I was scratching my head and you 548 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,390 were all in on promoting podcasting and finding 549 00:34:36,420 --> 00:34:40,230 advertisers. But with the numbers we had in Italy, it was 550 00:34:40,500 --> 00:34:44,550 almost impossible to do two. Today. Today. We have a 551 00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:50,610 gazillion of podcasts in Italy. But almost nobody lives on it is 552 00:34:50,610 --> 00:34:54,630 making a living. Right? It's if you if you look if you look at 553 00:34:54,810 --> 00:34:58,590 Wikipedia, you have 1 billion and a half persons in the world 554 00:34:58,620 --> 00:35:04,260 speaking English You have 85 million speaking Italian. So the 555 00:35:04,260 --> 00:35:07,860 numbers don't you can't make a living with with advertising and 556 00:35:07,860 --> 00:35:09,930 podcasting in Italy. You really can't. 557 00:35:10,050 --> 00:35:12,000 It's just not big enough. Hmm. 558 00:35:12,750 --> 00:35:16,350 Well, not without for podcasting. 2.0 Yeah, exactly. 559 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,560 Advertising may not work. But yeah, and that's a good point, 560 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,440 man. That's a really good point. Because you get these the non 561 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:27,120 English markets, and I have to leave Spanish out of it. Cuz you 562 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,720 know that, then maybe even to be honest, maybe I think Farsi is 563 00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:35,640 probably bigger than we realize, too. But then there's just no 564 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,520 advertising, why it's just not big enough for the, for the 565 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,520 amount of people. And speaking of such, I just want to ask you 566 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,340 a question. I keep hearing, and maybe you can help me because I 567 00:35:44,340 --> 00:35:49,140 have a theory about this. I keep hearing surprise from industry 568 00:35:49,140 --> 00:35:52,170 pundits, you know, I'm not someone who likes ratings or 569 00:35:52,290 --> 00:35:57,510 reviews or charts. And everyone's all flustered. Like, 570 00:35:57,660 --> 00:36:02,220 why is it that the daily which is an American daily news 571 00:36:02,220 --> 00:36:08,550 podcast, very famous? Why is it that the daily is number one in 572 00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:11,550 all these countries in Europe, including the United Kingdom, 573 00:36:11,550 --> 00:36:14,610 which really upsets the Brits, because they can't imagine 574 00:36:14,610 --> 00:36:19,170 anything will be more popular than the BBC. Do you? I mean, is 575 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,900 do you know anything about this show? Have you ever heard of it? 576 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:22,560 No, 577 00:36:22,590 --> 00:36:26,190 no, I know, it is. I know the title. I never heard about it. I 578 00:36:26,190 --> 00:36:27,000 never listen to it. 579 00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:29,670 And I really don't. I'm gonna, I'm gonna hand up my theory 580 00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:34,050 right here. This is click fraud. This is click fraud. This is 581 00:36:34,050 --> 00:36:37,140 fraud. They because you know, you can get Pete you can buy 582 00:36:37,140 --> 00:36:41,670 people who have 100 phones on their wall hang in there just 583 00:36:41,700 --> 00:36:46,200 listening to podcast nonstop. Spotify lost hundreds of 584 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,560 millions, well, hundreds of millions of dollars was paid out 585 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,980 to people who had some crap, you know, piece of shit they put up 586 00:36:52,980 --> 00:36:57,030 on Spotify and just hired people with hundreds of phones to play 587 00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:59,760 it all day long. And they got the revenue from that video. 588 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,400 Yeah, I'm telling you. I think this is click fraud. 589 00:37:02,970 --> 00:37:07,560 You probably might do it with with Amazon Mechanical Turk. 590 00:37:07,890 --> 00:37:10,140 Exactly. Yes. With people to do 591 00:37:10,140 --> 00:37:13,350 that. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And I'm just surprised that no 592 00:37:13,350 --> 00:37:16,380 one has thought that might be a possibility. Anyway, okay. So 593 00:37:16,380 --> 00:37:18,660 you can you confirm you, you have no idea about it? That's 594 00:37:18,660 --> 00:37:20,520 good. No, no, no, no, no, no. Right. 595 00:37:21,869 --> 00:37:26,609 I mean, on similar similar note, though, I want to I want to talk 596 00:37:26,609 --> 00:37:29,849 to you about this, because I just was sent that Alex sent me 597 00:37:29,849 --> 00:37:35,369 this yesterday. I think this is good. So going back for a 598 00:37:35,369 --> 00:37:41,039 second. We have Marco Marco from overcast was talking earlier 599 00:37:41,039 --> 00:37:46,439 this week about about ratings and how people you know, have 600 00:37:46,439 --> 00:37:50,459 down down ranked him for, you know, stupid stuff all the time. 601 00:37:50,759 --> 00:37:54,239 Do you see? I've got this article I want to talk about but 602 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:58,949 don't. But before that, do you have like DC? Do you fight that 603 00:37:58,949 --> 00:38:04,109 battle Franco have have having people downvoting? Cast ematic 604 00:38:04,109 --> 00:38:07,889 for just silly reasons, and then have to figure out how to make 605 00:38:07,889 --> 00:38:08,879 them happy. And 606 00:38:09,420 --> 00:38:13,860 yeah, a little a little but not so much. Because we have a very 607 00:38:13,860 --> 00:38:19,710 different audiences here has an enormous audience. Custom Matic 608 00:38:19,710 --> 00:38:24,120 is very little I'm I'm very bad at marketing. So 609 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,100 you're you fit in with us just found that 610 00:38:27,329 --> 00:38:29,729 you're talking to the marketing department here, which has done 611 00:38:29,729 --> 00:38:30,599 zero marketing. 612 00:38:30,659 --> 00:38:35,159 So Okay. Okay. But I think that if, if things are good enough, 613 00:38:35,159 --> 00:38:38,999 they get to the, to the surface even without too much marketing. 614 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:44,489 And so right now, most of my users are Italian, are people 615 00:38:44,489 --> 00:38:49,919 that know me on my podcast or on other Italian podcast, and they 616 00:38:49,919 --> 00:38:54,959 suggest to us customers. So the users of customers are very, 617 00:38:55,859 --> 00:39:01,169 are, are somewhat federalized. I don't know the term that are 618 00:39:01,169 --> 00:39:05,489 really, really it's not a general user who doesn't know 619 00:39:05,489 --> 00:39:09,179 anything about me and about the story behind customer behind the 620 00:39:09,179 --> 00:39:12,119 fact that it's a one man band. And so they're 621 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,370 part of you're part of your community if they're listening 622 00:39:14,370 --> 00:39:19,200 to the podcast, and then Yeah, mostly, mostly, but you're you 623 00:39:19,230 --> 00:39:23,250 doing value for value on your on your own podcast. Yeah, yeah. So 624 00:39:23,250 --> 00:39:26,460 been doing it? Yes. Is it working? Are people are people 625 00:39:26,490 --> 00:39:28,560 boosting and sending you SATs? 626 00:39:28,980 --> 00:39:33,450 Yes. They are beginning to do it. They are used to contribute 627 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:39,540 to the show. We've been using. Now we have a podcast. The name 628 00:39:39,540 --> 00:39:43,740 is digital. Yeah. We've been doing it since 2009. And since 629 00:39:43,740 --> 00:39:49,980 the beginning, it was 90%. Based on the user contribution, they 630 00:39:49,980 --> 00:39:56,070 pile the coin and everything and and now the most geeky ones are 631 00:39:56,070 --> 00:40:00,960 transitioning to are moving to value for value. right in just a 632 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:02,520 minute mostly with a cup with customers, right, 633 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,640 but you can't you have to keep telling them you know Funko Of 634 00:40:05,639 --> 00:40:06,509 course, of course. 635 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,800 I had to slip it in I had to get had to slip it in. The only 636 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,950 swear word I know in Italian. Yeah, it's like come on people 637 00:40:13,950 --> 00:40:16,830 use my custom attic app send me some sad sometimes you've used 638 00:40:16,830 --> 00:40:18,690 yell at them. It works. It's really interesting. 639 00:40:19,170 --> 00:40:21,270 You if you don't, they don't because 640 00:40:22,619 --> 00:40:26,609 you have to be strict. You have to threaten them like, Well, 641 00:40:26,819 --> 00:40:29,369 yeah, the show will just end if there's no money, it's just 642 00:40:29,369 --> 00:40:32,489 gonna end and I failed. The no one likes it. Goodbye. Exactly. 643 00:40:32,549 --> 00:40:33,959 And then usually they step up. 644 00:40:34,770 --> 00:40:37,320 Exactly. They know, they know that if they if they are 645 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,970 released, they now somebody else has been giving some money for a 646 00:40:41,970 --> 00:40:45,240 lot of time. And so now it's their time to do the same. 647 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:52,320 It's quite a step from the Commodore 64 to iOS app, what 648 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,320 kind of what kind of path did you have on the way Oh, 649 00:40:55,770 --> 00:41:01,470 I always been dabbling here and there when I was at university, 650 00:41:02,460 --> 00:41:08,370 there was a lot of it was very difficult to to to, to have a 651 00:41:08,370 --> 00:41:12,780 place inside the hospital to the practice. I wanted to work in 652 00:41:13,050 --> 00:41:17,490 immunology and transplants. A friend of mine was already 653 00:41:17,490 --> 00:41:23,430 there. I went there to meet him. And his his professor was 654 00:41:23,460 --> 00:41:29,430 dabbling with with with an Excel file was trying to pivot a table 655 00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:34,530 and his tray inside any couldn't. And I was learning 656 00:41:34,530 --> 00:41:38,100 Visual Basic. I knew that excel at Visual Basic and in five 657 00:41:38,100 --> 00:41:42,720 minutes, I made a little software that did in a few 658 00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:45,990 seconds. What he was trying to do for four is been trying to do 659 00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:50,160 for four days. So it took me from from tomorrow you work 660 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:57,390 here. And my final. My final work for for the graduation was 661 00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:01,710 a software that analyze the compatibility for transplant 662 00:42:01,740 --> 00:42:05,310 between transplant donor and recipients of bone marrow 663 00:42:05,310 --> 00:42:05,910 transplant. 664 00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:09,120 Dude, are you married? Because I'll bet you chicks just flock 665 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:15,180 all over you. Excuse me, I made organ transplant analysis 666 00:42:15,180 --> 00:42:18,060 software when I was 12. I'm a regular Italian Doogie Howser. 667 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:19,080 Nice man, 668 00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:22,919 that's impressive. This was this was good. That's slightly more 669 00:42:22,919 --> 00:42:24,899 impressive than the podcast index APR. 670 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,110 All you're all saving lives. Oh. 671 00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:34,140 It wasn't that difficult. But from from a doctor's point of 672 00:42:34,140 --> 00:42:35,430 view. It was it was me it was 673 00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:39,870 magic. Of course. Yeah. You see that? 98. Yeah, it 674 00:42:39,870 --> 00:42:43,800 was 1998. It was so. And I did that. And I stayed there. I 675 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:49,110 stayed there. And I made my post guard graduate course there. And 676 00:42:49,110 --> 00:42:54,360 then when I started working in private practice, I left the 677 00:42:54,390 --> 00:43:01,800 developing a little on the side. And I I began writing software 678 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:07,290 again for iOS to write an app to listen to my podcast digitally. 679 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,490 At once a single podcast 680 00:43:11,490 --> 00:43:13,830 player. Yeah, sure. Sure. Yeah, 681 00:43:13,860 --> 00:43:18,750 I really has an app. And then then, when Marco published 682 00:43:18,780 --> 00:43:27,090 overcast, I loved the idea to do some sound processing on the on 683 00:43:27,090 --> 00:43:30,480 the device on the player, because there were a lot of 684 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,920 years of content with nice, nice content, but really badly 685 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:35,430 produced 686 00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:38,190 this this is this is because I was looking, even though I would 687 00:43:38,190 --> 00:43:41,310 have been able to use the app, very impressed with all the 688 00:43:41,310 --> 00:43:42,840 audio features that you put in. 689 00:43:43,409 --> 00:43:47,669 I love audio on the side, there was another thing I did and I 690 00:43:47,669 --> 00:43:49,499 left apart. I was a guitar player. 691 00:43:49,980 --> 00:43:53,790 Oh, of course, Dad ladies, he plays guitar. 692 00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:58,410 But I'm not good at all. But But I love it. And I love audio 693 00:43:58,410 --> 00:44:02,970 processing. And I loved the idea in overcast to do sound 694 00:44:02,970 --> 00:44:07,050 processing. But it was implemented really, really bad 695 00:44:07,050 --> 00:44:10,380 at start at the beginning. Now He improved a lot, but at the 696 00:44:10,380 --> 00:44:15,690 time, it was very bad. So I said I can take my app to listen to 697 00:44:15,690 --> 00:44:19,320 port to Digitali or make it general purpose and try to do a 698 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,980 little better on the on the sound processing side. And 699 00:44:22,980 --> 00:44:27,210 that's why and that's why custom Matic was born. Wow, 700 00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:31,080 you're so you're one you have to be one of the few podcast apps 701 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,020 that have their own audio engine then they most most people just 702 00:44:34,020 --> 00:44:36,900 use the underlying, you know, audio player API's? 703 00:44:38,610 --> 00:44:43,740 Yeah, it's I've exchanged the two different selfmade audio 704 00:44:43,740 --> 00:44:49,110 engines in what when when this was a transition from from one 705 00:44:49,110 --> 00:44:51,390 technology to the other. Yes, but I enjoy it. 706 00:44:51,690 --> 00:44:54,540 Oh, that's gotta make it easier for you. I mean, it's a lot of 707 00:44:54,540 --> 00:44:59,040 work at the beginning. But then going forward. You know if if, 708 00:44:59,100 --> 00:45:01,950 if Apple changed Just something in there high level API, it 709 00:45:01,950 --> 00:45:05,160 doesn't. You have immunity to that? You don't. You don't have 710 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,200 to deal with that. Because you're writing you're writing 711 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,320 just a low level stuff, which rarely changes. Yes. What's, 712 00:45:10,469 --> 00:45:12,539 what are you doing under the hood with that Franco 713 00:45:12,539 --> 00:45:13,979 compression? What are you doing? 714 00:45:14,639 --> 00:45:18,629 Yes, it's a basically basically, it's compression and a little 715 00:45:18,629 --> 00:45:22,349 EQ, but is, is really transparent compression that 716 00:45:22,379 --> 00:45:27,299 that has a very, very long release time. So it works more 717 00:45:27,299 --> 00:45:30,479 like a lever than a compression. So it doesn't change the it 718 00:45:30,479 --> 00:45:33,659 doesn't affect the character of the sound, but just the level 719 00:45:33,899 --> 00:45:41,249 really smoothly. But it has a gate on the on the on the side 720 00:45:41,249 --> 00:45:47,339 chain, so that when the voice stops, it does person stops. 721 00:45:47,759 --> 00:45:50,909 Yeah, she doesn't take all the noise up. Okay, she's problem 722 00:45:50,909 --> 00:45:51,809 with compressor, who 723 00:45:51,810 --> 00:45:56,340 hears what I'd love to try with you one day, I have always 724 00:45:56,340 --> 00:46:01,770 wanted this. Yeah, if I gave you my entire chain and the values, 725 00:46:02,130 --> 00:46:06,120 could you make a pod father button, so that if you wanted to 726 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:11,100 hear that podcast, the way my podcast sounds, he just hit that 727 00:46:11,100 --> 00:46:12,120 button, it will just go. 728 00:46:13,590 --> 00:46:17,880 Oh, we can try? Yes, yes, I love to do that. You use a lot of 729 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,370 compression to to affect sound. It's just 730 00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:23,700 total distortion. It's total distortion. Yeah, but it's just 731 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:28,410 it just as a setting. And you know, I believe that there are, 732 00:46:29,130 --> 00:46:32,100 I've given up on the idea that the amount of content that is 733 00:46:32,100 --> 00:46:35,910 being created will all sound equally or at least some level 734 00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:38,700 of professional, it just doesn't Yeah, and it's all over the map. 735 00:46:38,700 --> 00:46:43,110 So you automatically, if you're, if you're in that part of it, 736 00:46:43,110 --> 00:46:48,960 we're doing DSP. Fantastic, you're you have to do some 737 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,710 leveling between one podcast to the next. Otherwise, people just 738 00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:56,400 adjusting volumes all the time, then then you have to make up 739 00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,330 for all kinds of poorness. I'm saying, as I think you 740 00:47:00,330 --> 00:47:03,390 understand, I'd like to take it one step further. And you know, 741 00:47:03,390 --> 00:47:05,760 here's the distortion version, you know, it's kind of like, 742 00:47:05,790 --> 00:47:10,620 here's the, here's the Eddie Van Halen sound. Just not that I 743 00:47:10,620 --> 00:47:15,960 want to say I'm Eddie Van Halen, because no. But yeah, something 744 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,270 like that. And because you could have someone who chart or you 745 00:47:18,270 --> 00:47:21,060 could have someone with the NPR sound, it could be all different 746 00:47:21,060 --> 00:47:23,760 kinds of sounds, you know, not just not just mine specifically, 747 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,220 I know I'd love to mess around with that one day with you, we 748 00:47:26,220 --> 00:47:26,370 can 749 00:47:26,369 --> 00:47:31,049 try is will be fun. The only difficulty might be that using 750 00:47:31,079 --> 00:47:36,449 your your kind of settings. If the source material as a lot of 751 00:47:36,449 --> 00:47:41,009 noise, that noise would they pump data up a lot? You have to 752 00:47:41,039 --> 00:47:44,099 you have to begin with a very clear clean source. 753 00:47:44,130 --> 00:47:47,250 Yeah. And I'm head I mean, everything is in the gate with 754 00:47:47,250 --> 00:47:50,910 me. I mean, you're in the gate, I'm in the you've heard it's 755 00:47:50,910 --> 00:47:57,090 completely and fast. It's like boom, done. 123 compression. 756 00:47:57,450 --> 00:47:57,900 Anyway, 757 00:47:58,469 --> 00:48:03,029 now I'm interested in this. So what what all could cause codecs 758 00:48:03,029 --> 00:48:05,999 D support, are you I mean, obviously, mp3 759 00:48:07,739 --> 00:48:13,079 is done by the low level but but the low level decoder from from 760 00:48:13,079 --> 00:48:17,789 Apple, so every audio file that that that you can give to 761 00:48:17,789 --> 00:48:23,519 Apple's API's injustice, and ended it gives you back the PCM 762 00:48:24,089 --> 00:48:27,599 packets. You can give it to customer usually Oh, 763 00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:31,019 okay, so you're so you're letting you're letting iOS do 764 00:48:31,019 --> 00:48:33,239 the decoding and then you're taking 765 00:48:33,270 --> 00:48:37,020 PCM and then he's processing it. Yes, Eric. I love it. That's 766 00:48:37,020 --> 00:48:37,830 really cool. 767 00:48:38,250 --> 00:48:42,060 That's a really nice way to do it. Does it is it does I don't 768 00:48:42,060 --> 00:48:44,460 know what all the supported they support, like Opus and some of 769 00:48:44,460 --> 00:48:45,660 these newer format. Yes, 770 00:48:45,689 --> 00:48:48,749 yes. These should Yes. Never tried APU. So no. So 771 00:48:48,750 --> 00:48:51,450 there's, there's, there's another cool thing. Okay, how 772 00:48:51,450 --> 00:48:55,140 about this curriculum may like this. So James Cridland 773 00:48:55,140 --> 00:49:02,250 publishes pod news in an opus file really low. Now can can we 774 00:49:02,250 --> 00:49:06,030 on the other end haven't have an opus low bandwidth button that 775 00:49:06,030 --> 00:49:10,530 could bring back the pieces that were kind of lost in that 776 00:49:10,530 --> 00:49:13,770 compression or accentuate enough that it would sound better than 777 00:49:13,770 --> 00:49:14,400 it does? 778 00:49:15,090 --> 00:49:18,870 Oh, that that will be it's like psychoacoustics 779 00:49:19,050 --> 00:49:22,080 This is almost as bad as the battery talk Dave I'm gonna stop 780 00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:26,940 Yeah, yeah, that's what I was thinking when you're talking 781 00:49:26,940 --> 00:49:28,920 about them like that's enhanced zoom rotate. That's 782 00:49:29,010 --> 00:49:29,730 pretty much 783 00:49:31,500 --> 00:49:37,470 yeah, I do something like that. Little it's not artificial 784 00:49:37,470 --> 00:49:39,900 intelligence. It's not deep learning, but it's something 785 00:49:39,900 --> 00:49:48,480 like that to detect music. Digital can look ahead. Look at 786 00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:54,420 but it completely disables every DSP. If it detects music in the 787 00:49:54,420 --> 00:49:59,250 podcast. Oh, cool. So if you if you have a mix the podcast with 788 00:49:59,250 --> 00:50:02,250 some voice and Some music a voice is affected by the DSP. 789 00:50:02,670 --> 00:50:05,490 When you transition to music music is unaffected, because 790 00:50:05,490 --> 00:50:10,080 usually music is mixed and mastered as as it's true. And I 791 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,300 don't want to change the fact that in any way, 792 00:50:12,570 --> 00:50:16,680 yes, that's really cool. What do you do? Do you also disable 793 00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,610 speed control? When you say music? Did like, bring it back 794 00:50:20,610 --> 00:50:23,730 down to 1x? One point All right, 795 00:50:23,790 --> 00:50:26,940 not right now I don't, but I should do it. That's that's a 796 00:50:26,940 --> 00:50:33,120 valid point. The Zapper, the silence keeper automatically is 797 00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,540 not functional during music, because music is usually an 798 00:50:36,540 --> 00:50:40,440 uninterrupted flats of sound soap. So that the silence 799 00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:45,000 keepers, the text, no silence and doesn't skip. But turning to 800 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,480 x back to 1x. Should be yes, that's a great well, that's, 801 00:50:48,510 --> 00:50:52,440 that's really interesting, and a very, very good, unique selling 802 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:53,280 proposition. 803 00:50:54,690 --> 00:50:59,190 It is, yes, it is. I use some cosmetic, it's in my rotation of 804 00:50:59,190 --> 00:51:04,260 apps that I use in almost every single day. And the the one 805 00:51:04,590 --> 00:51:08,760 thing that I've kind of really appreciate about cast Matic is 806 00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:14,340 that it's, it feels like a native iOS app. So many, me 807 00:51:14,430 --> 00:51:18,270 even. I mean, let there's, there's really not a whole lot 808 00:51:18,270 --> 00:51:24,150 of custom UI controls there. No feels, it feels like an iOS app 809 00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:27,450 is supposed to feel. And that's that's a good to me, that's a 810 00:51:27,450 --> 00:51:30,990 good thing. Because you don't have to go sort of relearn a new 811 00:51:30,990 --> 00:51:34,020 app experience there, you can tell that you've done a lot of 812 00:51:34,020 --> 00:51:38,160 UI work, but it all, it all still fits the paradigm of what 813 00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,980 we expect from they'll look like native controls, I guess, is 814 00:51:40,980 --> 00:51:42,090 what I'm trying to say yes, 815 00:51:42,119 --> 00:51:47,399 I'm not a great designer. And I wanted something that that could 816 00:51:48,089 --> 00:51:56,039 stay in the in the in the device and look like something look 817 00:51:56,039 --> 00:52:00,869 like something that Apple did as a podcast app from Apple, but 818 00:52:00,869 --> 00:52:05,849 done with the feature I like, and what so I didn't want to 819 00:52:05,849 --> 00:52:09,689 diverge. There are many, many beautiful podcast players for 820 00:52:09,689 --> 00:52:14,249 IRS that that have an incredible user interface much, much better 821 00:52:14,249 --> 00:52:17,909 than mine. But they usually are very custom and very different 822 00:52:17,909 --> 00:52:22,379 from from, you know, Safari or the mail, the Mail app or the 823 00:52:22,379 --> 00:52:27,899 iMessage. I wanted this to fit well, between between standard 824 00:52:27,899 --> 00:52:28,379 laps 825 00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:33,510 where your transitions between views are really pleasing. So if 826 00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:37,770 I go to search, or add a search for a podcast to add in, it sort 827 00:52:37,770 --> 00:52:42,150 of morphs into the search screen that has the ability to choose 828 00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:46,200 between Apple and podcast index research. It's the transitions 829 00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:50,310 between your UAV users. It to me is great. 830 00:52:50,909 --> 00:52:54,869 Thank you. Yeah, I'm proud of it. And you've seen the 831 00:52:54,869 --> 00:52:58,829 animation to see the show notes. When you use crawl the artwork 832 00:52:58,829 --> 00:53:02,069 in the player and the transport bar disappears. 833 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,490 Oh, that's all I need to look at there. It 834 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,120 was it. Did you get accepted into the App Store right away, 835 00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,060 considering we've seen people with trouble. 836 00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:15,960 I was so afraid that I was so afraid for that. 837 00:53:15,990 --> 00:53:18,210 Yeah. How fucked up is that man that you have to be? 838 00:53:18,989 --> 00:53:22,919 I don't know. I don't know. Yes. It's incredible. Incredible. But 839 00:53:22,949 --> 00:53:25,529 this is a dictatorship that. 840 00:53:27,330 --> 00:53:29,430 Oh, you guys know all about that. I mean, come on. 841 00:53:30,510 --> 00:53:34,140 Well, here's my that brings me to explain. That brings up this 842 00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:40,440 this article. So I don't know if you guys have seen this. But the 843 00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,800 headline of this article is Apple quietly buying ads via 844 00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,890 Google for high value subscription apps to capture app 845 00:53:46,890 --> 00:53:47,910 publisher revenue. 846 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,330 Oh, no. No, what is this in? Okay, 847 00:53:51,389 --> 00:53:57,929 so this was in Forbes. It says in Forbes yesterday, it says 848 00:53:58,349 --> 00:54:02,159 Apple is secretly buying Google ads for high value apps to 849 00:54:02,159 --> 00:54:05,009 collect potentially millions of dollars in subscription revenue. 850 00:54:05,219 --> 00:54:08,429 Multiple app publishers have told me Apple is placing the ads 851 00:54:08,429 --> 00:54:11,159 without the app developers consent and Google will not 852 00:54:11,159 --> 00:54:14,909 delete them. They say it's a form of ad arbitrage, and has 853 00:54:14,909 --> 00:54:16,019 been going on for at least 854 00:54:16,020 --> 00:54:19,050 two Wait a minute. Wait, what exactly are they doing? 855 00:54:19,770 --> 00:54:22,170 I understand. It took me a minute to figure this out, too. 856 00:54:22,170 --> 00:54:26,610 But here's here's I'm gonna explain it says impacted 857 00:54:26,610 --> 00:54:29,400 businesses include major brands such as dating apps like Tinder, 858 00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,900 plenty of fish, bumble, media giant HBO, blah, blah, blah. The 859 00:54:33,900 --> 00:54:37,290 ads don't disclose that they are from Apple and would do most 860 00:54:37,290 --> 00:54:40,620 observers simply look like ads from the brands and app 861 00:54:40,620 --> 00:54:43,200 publishers themselves that happen to go right to the app 862 00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,350 store. They do, however, have a similar tracking link with 863 00:54:46,350 --> 00:54:49,500 nearly identical parameters to indicate that one agency is 864 00:54:49,500 --> 00:54:52,230 likely placing all of them app here's a quote, 865 00:54:52,949 --> 00:54:57,869 they're taking. They're taking the VIG on people on people 866 00:54:58,079 --> 00:54:59,549 getting your apps 867 00:55:01,170 --> 00:55:07,440 So they're taking an app like HBO, Max. And Apple is buying an 868 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:13,350 ad from Google for that app, and pointing the ad to the App Store 869 00:55:13,830 --> 00:55:18,240 so that they capture revenue direct so that they point people 870 00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:21,450 to the App Store so that those people will get the app and buy 871 00:55:21,450 --> 00:55:25,260 the subscription in the app, rather than going directly to 872 00:55:25,260 --> 00:55:28,500 the website. scription minus 873 00:55:28,500 --> 00:55:31,920 the 30%. Oh, naughty naughty. Yeah, 874 00:55:31,950 --> 00:55:34,470 it says Apple has figured out that they can make more money 875 00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:36,870 off these developers if they push people to the app store to 876 00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:40,500 purchase versus Webflow. And it's got a it's got a screenshot 877 00:55:40,500 --> 00:55:43,650 here. And it shows two ads at the top of the Google results 878 00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:48,060 once for HBO, Max. And the other one is a is an as another ad 879 00:55:48,060 --> 00:55:53,670 linking directly to the app store for the app. I mean, that 880 00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:57,900 to me that is Apple directly in competition for their own 881 00:55:57,900 --> 00:56:02,070 developers money. That's it, man. 882 00:56:02,610 --> 00:56:06,990 Yeah, yeah. No, it's really, yes. really warped? Yeah. 883 00:56:07,409 --> 00:56:12,029 Yeah. And this is bad. Yeah. Yeah, if apps take, if they go 884 00:56:12,029 --> 00:56:15,119 through the App Store free, you know, they get the 15 to 30%, up 885 00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:19,079 front, and then the 15% going here going forward. And the user 886 00:56:19,079 --> 00:56:22,979 doesn't know that the user has no idea. You know, they're just 887 00:56:22,979 --> 00:56:25,919 doing their thing. That's man, that's just crazy. 888 00:56:26,699 --> 00:56:29,219 What Why does it not surprise us though, you know, 889 00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:34,080 I mean, there's nothing illegal about Isurus. Slimy, and it 890 00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:40,320 makes you think, well, if if this, so they're hitting you 891 00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,590 twice. So they're going they're going for you on the Google 892 00:56:43,590 --> 00:56:47,670 side, then then they're also going to force you into their 893 00:56:48,990 --> 00:56:53,130 what does it the App Store search? Keyword thing? I don't 894 00:56:53,130 --> 00:56:54,090 know if you know, oh, no, 895 00:56:54,090 --> 00:56:55,470 I don't I don't you 896 00:56:55,469 --> 00:57:00,479 can use it essentially by Search the app search ads in the app 897 00:57:00,479 --> 00:57:03,539 store for your for your app, so I don't know if you've ever done 898 00:57:03,539 --> 00:57:07,499 this Franco. I'm certainly not. Yeah, so like, you could add you 899 00:57:07,499 --> 00:57:10,439 could you could buy you know, the key word for podcast app 900 00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,230 or something? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yes, yes. Yeah. 901 00:57:13,380 --> 00:57:16,950 So they're, they're getting you at every, every thing. And so 902 00:57:16,950 --> 00:57:22,080 you're, you're selling an app for 99 cents. And then they're 903 00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:26,010 gonna hit you from every direction for 30% It's just 904 00:57:27,150 --> 00:57:31,140 pretty amazing, isn't it? Yeah. Anyway, so you were really 905 00:57:31,140 --> 00:57:34,050 worried and they accepted it? Did you have to buy anything for 906 00:57:34,050 --> 00:57:34,680 like an ad? 907 00:57:35,940 --> 00:57:39,990 No, I never I bought ads on the App Store at the beginning some 908 00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:42,870 some years ago but nobody came 909 00:57:42,929 --> 00:57:46,739 right okay. But But you already had was cast ematic was already 910 00:57:46,739 --> 00:57:48,689 in there before yes value for value 911 00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:52,980 Correct? Yes. i Yes. It was it's been on the on the store for 912 00:57:52,980 --> 00:57:59,730 some years now. But now Now I add the value for value features 913 00:57:59,730 --> 00:58:06,900 on data and then I sent a new major release 8.0 With with it 914 00:58:06,900 --> 00:58:10,980 was specified in the release notes that no I saw it was the 915 00:58:10,980 --> 00:58:14,850 reviewers the reviewers related Yeah, it was 916 00:58:14,849 --> 00:58:20,069 halfway down like oh features pocket including v v four v 917 00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:22,949 Yeah, I saw you I saw you did 918 00:58:26,130 --> 00:58:30,480 you so but they don't they didn't or maybe they didn't they 919 00:58:30,510 --> 00:58:34,740 I don't know they have a lot of pressure right now from anti 920 00:58:34,740 --> 00:58:35,400 anti trust 921 00:58:35,429 --> 00:58:36,899 Yeah, they do. Yeah, 922 00:58:36,929 --> 00:58:40,349 well we also know now that from the from news a few days ago 923 00:58:40,349 --> 00:58:43,049 that Tim Cook you know he personally holds Bitcoin in his 924 00:58:43,049 --> 00:58:46,919 portfolio so yeah, yeah, he's a believers course. 925 00:58:47,010 --> 00:58:53,130 Oh, no, he's just rich. Yeah, right. Right. Rich just rich 926 00:58:53,969 --> 00:58:59,669 yeah that that's one thing about cosmetics V for V implementation 927 00:59:00,689 --> 00:59:03,029 is that it's very extensive when you first said you were going to 928 00:59:03,029 --> 00:59:06,479 do it I just figured you know you were going to kind of 929 00:59:06,899 --> 00:59:09,179 scratch the surface a little bit and just take a boost button in 930 00:59:09,179 --> 00:59:14,489 there and kind of do bare bones but man when when you when we 931 00:59:14,489 --> 00:59:18,659 released it man there's so it's like a full feature thing and 932 00:59:18,659 --> 00:59:21,929 there's transaction history there's there's booster grams 933 00:59:21,929 --> 00:59:25,409 there's and I mean like it you spend a lot of time on that I 934 00:59:25,409 --> 00:59:25,979 can tell 935 00:59:26,429 --> 00:59:29,909 this was my summer project I worked on it. Usually Summertime 936 00:59:29,909 --> 00:59:34,829 is is meant for developers to adapt the app to the new to the 937 00:59:34,829 --> 00:59:37,979 new API's from from the new release of iOS coming in 938 00:59:37,979 --> 00:59:42,509 September. This year. There were many exciting or really 939 00:59:42,509 --> 00:59:48,149 important new features to adopt. And there was podcasting two 940 00:59:48,149 --> 00:59:50,909 point out there was value for value that that was important 941 00:59:50,909 --> 00:59:56,669 for me. And for podcasting in general. I I work a lot with 942 00:59:56,669 --> 01:00:00,719 other podcasters and with the support desk of Italian 943 01:00:00,719 --> 01:00:05,039 podcasters that organized the festival of podcasting last 944 01:00:05,039 --> 01:00:11,039 month. Yeah. And I am seeing one, one of the of the old guys 945 01:00:11,039 --> 01:00:13,799 with the white tears in Italian podcasts. So 946 01:00:15,719 --> 01:00:19,139 I know it was fun to walk around all the young people in 947 01:00:19,139 --> 01:00:22,529 podcasting today. Oh, yes. All of them. 948 01:00:23,340 --> 01:00:27,720 So what, what all tags do you support? So far? I know. I know 949 01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:29,430 that you support, good 950 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:34,950 funding, funding to take people to podcasters page with with 951 01:00:35,430 --> 01:00:41,520 payments and such value for value and chapters. Those are 952 01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:45,540 the tags and then I support searching on podcasting index 953 01:00:45,540 --> 01:00:46,440 for new shows. 954 01:00:47,159 --> 01:00:52,589 Do you get any, any plans for anything new? Any? Anything that 955 01:00:52,589 --> 01:00:53,579 you can divulge? 956 01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:59,640 Yes, I would love to try a little bit of everything. But 957 01:00:59,700 --> 01:01:06,690 time is not so much. But I'm waiting for for comments to be a 958 01:01:06,690 --> 01:01:10,980 little more mature and then try to do something. 959 01:01:11,460 --> 01:01:12,510 Right on right. Well, 960 01:01:12,599 --> 01:01:16,649 it's the right social tact. It should be. Yeah. 961 01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:20,430 Well, how is that going? Dave? I mean, this is so as far as I 962 01:01:20,430 --> 01:01:24,840 know, only this show is posting to social tag. And I think it's 963 01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:29,460 only surfacing in pod friend right now and the web version. 964 01:01:30,150 --> 01:01:35,310 Yes. So there Yeah, puffer is the only app that has support 965 01:01:35,310 --> 01:01:39,330 for this social interact tag. We we are putting it out there. And 966 01:01:39,330 --> 01:01:42,150 also John Shijie just started putting in his podcast, 967 01:01:42,750 --> 01:01:46,470 causality and pragmatic and so right. He and we figured out 968 01:01:46,470 --> 01:01:49,410 pretty quick that Pleroma 969 01:01:50,579 --> 01:01:53,609 Oh, yeah, I retweeted this. Yeah, it doesn't work. Yeah, 970 01:01:53,610 --> 01:01:57,630 they don't support the correct activity pub response for 971 01:01:57,630 --> 01:02:01,920 replies so that, hopefully we can get that in there. But I 972 01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:08,370 mean, it works like John. John Spurlock also supports showing 973 01:02:08,370 --> 01:02:13,710 the threads in his podcasts in Tupelo validator app. So you can 974 01:02:13,710 --> 01:02:16,950 do cool go and throw a feed in there and if it support if it 975 01:02:16,950 --> 01:02:20,640 has a podcast, social interact tag in it, it will show you all 976 01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,430 the comment threads and everything that it can find. So 977 01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:25,950 the data is there now it's really just 978 01:02:26,010 --> 01:02:28,680 I'm ready to start talking about it but there's I can't send 979 01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:29,580 people anywhere. 980 01:02:29,819 --> 01:02:34,199 Yeah, yeah. And the pod friend supports a bit he Martin's only 981 01:02:34,199 --> 01:02:37,499 showing the threads he's not allowing commenting back. 982 01:02:37,829 --> 01:02:41,579 Right, right. And I mean, I snuck in a great promo for 983 01:02:41,609 --> 01:02:47,279 Chapter images on no agenda. Which drive did a great graded A 984 01:02:47,279 --> 01:02:51,509 is like oh, we can we can do all these images. We can just have 985 01:02:51,509 --> 01:02:54,959 them flashing by we to the 1400s episode. So you can do all these 986 01:02:54,989 --> 01:02:59,369 1400 images watching a dribble just make that happen. And, and 987 01:02:59,369 --> 01:03:02,099 he did it and he but he actually did it in an animated GIF. And 988 01:03:02,099 --> 01:03:05,549 he did it to the beat of my voice which was funnier. Holy 989 01:03:05,549 --> 01:03:07,739 cow because I'm like boom, boom, boom, boom, and he goes pop up a 990 01:03:07,739 --> 01:03:11,369 pop he switched three real quick in a row. You know, and then I 991 01:03:11,369 --> 01:03:13,319 send people new podcast apps calm. 992 01:03:15,210 --> 01:03:17,610 Like a dance. It's just like ballet. Yeah, he's 993 01:03:17,610 --> 01:03:20,490 for I had to laugh. He's always like, how was he gonna sneak it 994 01:03:20,490 --> 01:03:21,210 in this time? 995 01:03:22,290 --> 01:03:25,980 That you know you being a podcaster Franca like you can 996 01:03:26,310 --> 01:03:30,090 actually test and put some of this stuff in your own feed and 997 01:03:30,090 --> 01:03:32,220 then tested directly in your app. I'm he's got the full 998 01:03:32,220 --> 01:03:33,210 feedback loop there. 999 01:03:33,540 --> 01:03:39,450 Yeah, of course. Right now I'm managing my feed with Mac OS 1000 01:03:39,450 --> 01:03:43,470 application the name is feeder. I asked him if he if he would 1001 01:03:43,470 --> 01:03:49,620 support the new taxa box I well you know I got a leak warmer 1002 01:03:51,270 --> 01:03:58,200 well you know I know it's a it's a comm friendly product but 1003 01:03:58,410 --> 01:04:02,880 curio casters RSS generator is really I use it for all my shows 1004 01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:04,080 is really fantastic. 1005 01:04:04,799 --> 01:04:07,619 Yeah, I heard about it the Jenny Yeah, 1006 01:04:07,619 --> 01:04:10,919 the RSS Jenny? Yeah. You just go to curio caster calm and then 1007 01:04:10,919 --> 01:04:17,069 you click Turn on RSS editor and then you select any show. And 1008 01:04:17,069 --> 01:04:19,409 then you can create a new feed. Yeah, I mean, it's not even 1009 01:04:19,409 --> 01:04:22,349 import it just it's there. And then you can say okay, new 1010 01:04:22,349 --> 01:04:25,949 episode, we there. You can copy the previous episodes data, 1011 01:04:25,949 --> 01:04:30,329 which is what I do. And then you just fill in all the values and 1012 01:04:30,359 --> 01:04:32,819 it's all the tags and you know, there's a lot of stuff you don't 1013 01:04:32,819 --> 01:04:35,699 have to change of course, and you have templates and and the 1014 01:04:35,729 --> 01:04:38,999 click, you know, poop out feed. I think that's the button poop 1015 01:04:38,999 --> 01:04:42,749 out. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and then just upload it wherever it 1016 01:04:42,749 --> 01:04:46,649 wherever it needs to go. It's really mind bogglingly easy. It 1017 01:04:46,649 --> 01:04:47,429 really is. 1018 01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:51,660 I will give it a try. For sure. Yes, that would be really 1019 01:04:51,660 --> 01:04:52,110 useful. 1020 01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:55,710 Do you have so as a podcaster it's really cool to have that 1021 01:04:55,710 --> 01:05:01,650 perspective on things. Do you like wood? Do you use comments 1022 01:05:02,460 --> 01:05:04,290 in that way for your own? So 1023 01:05:04,350 --> 01:05:10,020 I think, I think so. Yes, we, we try to we have a good community. 1024 01:05:10,830 --> 01:05:14,940 Right now the most interaction is on as lacquer on a slack, 1025 01:05:15,150 --> 01:05:16,560 multi channel chat. 1026 01:05:17,909 --> 01:05:20,279 Is that live during the show? Do you have like a live chat? 1027 01:05:21,329 --> 01:05:25,829 We have a live chat we have live comments because since six 1028 01:05:25,829 --> 01:05:30,029 months we've been experimenting doing video to on on Twitch and 1029 01:05:30,029 --> 01:05:33,929 YouTube. So we do the live show and we record with audio and 1030 01:05:33,929 --> 01:05:38,609 video and somebody of course, use the commenting system that 1031 01:05:38,609 --> 01:05:42,179 I've commented system on Twitch and YouTube. But we would like 1032 01:05:42,179 --> 01:05:46,859 to have one single point because to concentrate everybody in one 1033 01:05:46,859 --> 01:05:50,459 place makes better bad experience. 1034 01:05:50,490 --> 01:05:54,360 Yeah. Yeah, I think, you know, Alex pointed out early on in the 1035 01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,990 process of trying to develop this stuff that he made the 1036 01:05:57,990 --> 01:06:02,910 point that that chat. And comments are different things. 1037 01:06:02,940 --> 01:06:06,990 And that's really, those were really precious, precious thing 1038 01:06:06,990 --> 01:06:10,710 to say, because it's for, I mean, just imagine that your Do 1039 01:06:10,710 --> 01:06:13,380 you have, you know, a show where you're doing a live chat, and 1040 01:06:13,380 --> 01:06:18,540 you only have live chat? If you have, then things get lost. So 1041 01:06:18,660 --> 01:06:21,870 if somebody if you had a show where they had comments attached 1042 01:06:21,870 --> 01:06:25,830 to each episode, then those comments sort of live forever on 1043 01:06:25,830 --> 01:06:29,160 that episode. And you can go back and somebody can actually 1044 01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:32,280 comment on something that happened in that episode. And 1045 01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:35,730 you don't you don't lose that content like you do in a live 1046 01:06:35,730 --> 01:06:38,070 chat. I think that was a really good point. Yeah. 1047 01:06:38,700 --> 01:06:42,180 And if it's anchored to a timestamp, or it's even better, 1048 01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:45,600 because, yeah, that's next level can read those. Yeah, that's 1049 01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:47,340 very good. They were very nice. 1050 01:06:48,090 --> 01:06:51,660 So cool. I hope I hope we can get some more, you know, we need 1051 01:06:51,660 --> 01:06:55,740 to, we need more people to test this stuff. And just create some 1052 01:06:55,740 --> 01:06:59,040 software around it. Because the thing is there. I mean, we have 1053 01:06:59,250 --> 01:07:02,070 whether you put it on an ad on a mastodon thread, or whatever you 1054 01:07:02,070 --> 01:07:04,860 want to do. I mean, the activity post support, is there, really 1055 01:07:04,860 --> 01:07:07,350 just need people to get in there and just start banging stuff out 1056 01:07:07,350 --> 01:07:09,150 and write software to get against it? 1057 01:07:09,779 --> 01:07:14,369 Are there libraries to interact with the activitypub servers? Or 1058 01:07:14,369 --> 01:07:17,609 you have to do a bare HTTP stuff? 1059 01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,910 Are you talking about on like an iOS level library? Or something 1060 01:07:20,910 --> 01:07:22,920 like that? I don't know. I don't know about iOS. I know that 1061 01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:25,680 there's a lot of libraries out there on the server side. I'm 1062 01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:31,470 not sure clients either. Bitch you there is. But now whether 1063 01:07:31,470 --> 01:07:33,750 there are any, you know, whether there have any qualities that 1064 01:07:33,750 --> 01:07:35,580 they were storing? Of course, 1065 01:07:35,639 --> 01:07:41,369 of course, yeah. And I'd love I'd love to do port ping to that 1066 01:07:41,369 --> 01:07:44,879 would be nice. But it's a little tricky for my for my kind of 1067 01:07:44,939 --> 01:07:47,309 app, because I'm a server less 1068 01:07:48,420 --> 01:07:50,550 that you have no service at all, 1069 01:07:51,119 --> 01:07:58,589 at all, at all. I never, yes, I never developed for servers. So 1070 01:07:58,589 --> 01:08:02,249 I wanted to do all on the on the user's device that's better for 1071 01:08:02,249 --> 01:08:05,669 privacy. That's better for a lot of things. You don't have to 1072 01:08:05,669 --> 01:08:08,999 deal with. You don't have to deal with Docker containers with 1073 01:08:09,029 --> 01:08:12,449 UPS. Things got really messy. Fast. 1074 01:08:12,659 --> 01:08:17,909 No kidding. Yeah. Yeah. So you're you're so you're storing 1075 01:08:17,939 --> 01:08:20,819 how do people sign up for the value for value? Are you using 1076 01:08:20,849 --> 01:08:21,719 LM pay and the 1077 01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:27,420 LMP LM pay, which is astounding? Yes. It's very, very good. 1078 01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:31,170 In any sign up happens. I'm sorry, I haven't used it. So the 1079 01:08:31,170 --> 01:08:32,700 signup happens in the app. 1080 01:08:33,390 --> 01:08:38,820 Yes, the you there is no need to do a sign up. There's on LM 1081 01:08:38,820 --> 01:08:42,870 faders, and account for custom Arctic, and custom Arctic can 1082 01:08:42,870 --> 01:08:49,770 generate wallets for every single user and store on the on 1083 01:08:49,770 --> 01:08:54,900 the device, the keys, the private keys, nice. Those are 1084 01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:58,920 backed up to on an encrypted file on the on the device and 1085 01:08:58,980 --> 01:09:03,450 the user can export it wherever, wherever he wants. So he doesn't 1086 01:09:03,510 --> 01:09:08,580 if he loses the smartphone there, they can recover 1087 01:09:08,970 --> 01:09:09,510 everything. 1088 01:09:10,110 --> 01:09:13,110 And that's backed up to iCloud is an iCloud sync. 1089 01:09:13,829 --> 01:09:17,639 iCloud sync or file export, there are two possibilities. So 1090 01:09:17,639 --> 01:09:20,969 you can export the file to and store it wherever you want. Yes, 1091 01:09:21,029 --> 01:09:21,629 excellent. 1092 01:09:22,049 --> 01:09:25,619 Had you done any other Bitcoin or lightning development work? 1093 01:09:25,619 --> 01:09:26,549 Was that all new for you? 1094 01:09:26,580 --> 01:09:29,430 No. No new or new? Completely new? Yes. 1095 01:09:31,110 --> 01:09:32,460 How was the experience? 1096 01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:39,300 Working with LMP was very, very helpful. If I should work 1097 01:09:39,300 --> 01:09:44,190 directly with on the on the chain or with the demos with 1098 01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:49,230 LLMD the name is I think so. Yes. It would be a really a lot 1099 01:09:49,260 --> 01:09:50,250 more complicated. 1100 01:09:50,789 --> 01:09:55,559 Yeah, agreed. Yeah, totally. That's, that's 100% Sure, and 1101 01:09:55,559 --> 01:09:58,619 quite quite new stuff. So what makes a lot of sense now that 1102 01:09:58,619 --> 01:10:02,399 you say that because you observing some of the behavior 1103 01:10:02,429 --> 01:10:05,519 of cast ematic makes more sense now that I know that it's 1104 01:10:05,519 --> 01:10:10,229 serverless because you have, sometimes I'll see that it, it 1105 01:10:10,229 --> 01:10:14,969 will queue up a payment instead of instead of going straight 1106 01:10:14,969 --> 01:10:19,079 through this, um I realized now that there's no there's not a 1107 01:10:19,079 --> 01:10:21,899 caching layer so you're having to do sort of do all that queue 1108 01:10:21,899 --> 01:10:24,479 management caching everything on the on the phone 1109 01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:30,120 and that's useful for for two reasons. One is the LNP can be 1110 01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:34,110 unreachable I've problems or the device might be in a place where 1111 01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:38,310 it has no network. But there's also the issue where the 1112 01:10:38,310 --> 01:10:42,600 payments are very small. Usually fees are very small in 1113 01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:47,580 percentage and there's no need to send five slots at a time. So 1114 01:10:47,580 --> 01:10:53,100 when 510 When you will have to fight I think the minimum is 50 1115 01:10:53,550 --> 01:10:58,260 when the fees stack up to 50 sites then custom Arctic sends 1116 01:10:58,260 --> 01:11:01,170 it to Lm pay and the payment goes Yes, 1117 01:11:01,589 --> 01:11:05,489 well it's very solid to be an own device. thing it's it's 1118 01:11:05,489 --> 01:11:08,489 surprising how reliable the payments ending is because I've 1119 01:11:08,489 --> 01:11:12,539 never had one fail I've had a queue a lot but I've never had a 1120 01:11:12,539 --> 01:11:16,289 payment from CAST ematic fail that I know of. So you your your 1121 01:11:16,289 --> 01:11:19,919 caching and queuing of all that stuff is Yeah, 1122 01:11:20,730 --> 01:11:23,640 everything Yes, everything gets stored in the in the in the 1123 01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:29,040 local database. Every payment has a record and and every now 1124 01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:33,270 and then custom Matic tries to stack those up and send those to 1125 01:11:33,270 --> 01:11:37,920 an MP and when the LM base and sends an okay payments done. I 1126 01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:41,340 mark those as paid in the database so nothing should be 1127 01:11:41,340 --> 01:11:41,730 lost. 1128 01:11:41,850 --> 01:11:45,360 Man. This has been a really good board meeting we have gotten 1129 01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:50,730 under the hood of digital signal processing of lead acid, add 1130 01:11:50,730 --> 01:11:56,370 lead acid batteries under the hood of LM paid lightning API's 1131 01:11:56,370 --> 01:11:57,600 isn't read this is deep. 1132 01:12:00,750 --> 01:12:02,250 Not Not that she can Magneto. 1133 01:12:08,580 --> 01:12:13,200 I want to ask you, Franco. If you can please send me a 1134 01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:15,960 lightning node or I don't know if you use LM pay or what you 1135 01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:19,440 use. So we can put that put a split in the value block if you 1136 01:12:19,440 --> 01:12:23,490 can email that to me. Of course right away while Dave gets the 1137 01:12:23,490 --> 01:12:27,870 papers, then oh, they raise papers that you have rustling 1138 01:12:27,870 --> 01:12:30,720 there. So we can thank a few people for supporting the entire 1139 01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:35,520 podcasting 2.0 project, of which this is your annual your your 1140 01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:39,390 weekly report. Every week you hear what what your value is 1141 01:12:39,390 --> 01:12:45,180 doing, where it's being spent, which is mainly on liquidity for 1142 01:12:45,180 --> 01:12:48,630 as many channels as we can possibly maintain properly on 1143 01:12:48,630 --> 01:12:53,820 our node for the servers, etc. And we always love to thank 1144 01:12:53,820 --> 01:12:56,460 everybody. If you want to support us, you can use a new 1145 01:12:56,490 --> 01:13:00,570 podcast app a new podcast apps calm, or I think pod 1146 01:13:00,570 --> 01:13:06,180 news.net/new podcast apps may have a list that is sortable. I 1147 01:13:06,180 --> 01:13:09,870 think I heard James talking about that. Yeah. And of course 1148 01:13:09,870 --> 01:13:12,750 if you want to send us some Fiat fun coupons, you can click on 1149 01:13:12,750 --> 01:13:17,280 the fund button in your app if you want, which should be a 1150 01:13:17,310 --> 01:13:20,430 little dollar sign or a piggy bank or it'll be apparent or 1151 01:13:20,430 --> 01:13:23,640 just go to podcast index.org Scroll down to the bottom and 1152 01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:26,190 click on the big red donate button. Dave who can we thank 1153 01:13:26,190 --> 01:13:28,800 for supporting us with some value this week? 1154 01:13:29,850 --> 01:13:34,230 Right off the bat we've got $50 PayPal donation from and I don't 1155 01:13:34,230 --> 01:13:43,110 know how to pronounce this is cute. Kunis ke U N E S from from 1156 01:13:43,110 --> 01:13:48,390 the antenna pod guys says I think it's yeah, it says he says 1157 01:13:48,390 --> 01:13:51,330 hi gents. Long overdue. But here's a big thank you for all 1158 01:13:51,330 --> 01:13:54,990 your wonderful work. Firstly for creating the index providing a 1159 01:13:54,990 --> 01:13:58,230 reliable search in internet pod. And of course for driving 1160 01:13:58,230 --> 01:14:01,170 innovation in the podcasting sphere. Not only with value for 1161 01:14:01,170 --> 01:14:04,650 value system, but all those beautiful tags. Looking forward 1162 01:14:04,650 --> 01:14:07,920 to the site promoting all this greatness will continue to 1163 01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:10,830 support with some treasure and the limited time not talent I 1164 01:14:10,830 --> 01:14:15,360 have secretly hoping for this Java secretly hoping that this 1165 01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:18,600 Java dev wants to jump on bringing more of this space to 1166 01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:22,320 my beloved podcast app. Oh keep it up and go podcast. Yes, 1167 01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:27,660 thank you very much. I love antenna pod it is I think 1168 01:14:27,690 --> 01:14:31,410 default on a lot. I think it's default on graphene. Oh s I have 1169 01:14:31,410 --> 01:14:33,570 a feeling or was it was on mine at least. 1170 01:14:34,230 --> 01:14:36,930 Oh really? Yes. It is desktop, or is it mobile only? 1171 01:14:38,340 --> 01:14:41,760 I've only encountered it mobile. I have a feeling it's also 1172 01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:42,390 desktop. 1173 01:14:42,780 --> 01:14:45,870 I shall I shall look. Okay, well, you 1174 01:14:45,870 --> 01:14:48,240 read the next. The next see. 1175 01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:54,870 We got 2500 sets from hard hat. And he said he says 2500 said 1176 01:14:54,870 --> 01:14:55,890 booze Oh 1177 01:14:55,890 --> 01:15:03,480 yeah. Um But no I think it's Android only 1178 01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:08,250 Android only Yeah, that's what am I thinking I must I must be 1179 01:15:08,250 --> 01:15:14,460 thinking of the K D there's one called casts I think up look it 1180 01:15:14,460 --> 01:15:14,700 up 1181 01:15:14,820 --> 01:15:19,020 well I mean he bought or this is like the the you go to a when 1182 01:15:19,020 --> 01:15:22,230 you have a way not using Google stuff you go to F droid it's 1183 01:15:22,230 --> 01:15:25,890 like you search for podcast app and antenna pods popping up. 1184 01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:33,600 Okay, yeah. Get a 4200 cent donation for Spencer and he said 1185 01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:37,680 booster Grammy says. Day said no one has sent boost the other 1186 01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:43,020 way. Allow me to set the record straight. Oh, okay. bowl after 1187 01:15:43,020 --> 01:15:46,530 bowl held a photo contest in our sinks tribe for the for 20. 1188 01:15:46,530 --> 01:15:50,910 Special in Episode 77. Good as luck. We announced the winners, 1189 01:15:51,060 --> 01:15:55,080 blueberry and Jim see who split the 42,000 sat grand prize. 1190 01:15:55,620 --> 01:15:58,230 Good. This contest had been the first contest of its kind in 1191 01:15:58,230 --> 01:16:00,390 podcasting. 2.0. No, 1192 01:16:00,570 --> 01:16:04,380 no, because they were there. We know. They were using the Sphinx 1193 01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:07,080 tribe functionality. 1194 01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:09,450 Are you willing to foul on that? I 1195 01:16:09,450 --> 01:16:13,920 am Carly's flag on the play Yellowcard. Yes, we've covered 1196 01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:18,780 all the bases. I mean, of course, it's fantastic. And I 1197 01:16:18,780 --> 01:16:21,390 love it. That's the whole idea is to do stuff like that. But I 1198 01:16:21,390 --> 01:16:23,700 think that only worked in the tribe because you couldn't send 1199 01:16:23,700 --> 01:16:26,760 SATs back to someone in the tribe. What we want is to be 1200 01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:29,910 able to send SATs back to someone who just sent you SATs 1201 01:16:29,910 --> 01:16:34,710 from a podcast app in the app in the app. Yeah, in the app would 1202 01:16:34,710 --> 01:16:39,390 be weird. And no, I It's the future is this will happen. This 1203 01:16:39,390 --> 01:16:42,600 will totally happen. And you'll be able to buy stuff or buy 1204 01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:47,010 stuff you know grief. It's so obvious this is coming. I'm just 1205 01:16:47,010 --> 01:16:48,840 gonna have to sit here and wait for it to happen. 1206 01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:54,030 Thank you for your 4200 Sasser sponsor, but not 1207 01:16:56,790 --> 01:16:59,310 incorrect. Didn't have to be that mean about it. 1208 01:16:59,910 --> 01:17:04,140 I love you Spencer. So, Franco, how weird would that be? If 1209 01:17:04,140 --> 01:17:08,760 you're listening to a podcast, and you got randomly selected in 1210 01:17:08,790 --> 01:17:11,640 and you're listening to it and Casta Matic and then all of a 1211 01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:16,290 sudden like 5000 shet SAS just show up in your wallet? I guess. 1212 01:17:17,610 --> 01:17:21,540 I mean, you could do it and it was I mean you don't need like 1213 01:17:21,630 --> 01:17:25,410 your LM pay so it's all it could all just have the only you 1214 01:17:25,410 --> 01:17:26,670 wouldn't even have to do anything 1215 01:17:26,700 --> 01:17:31,740 the only thing you need to do is you need to be able to the 1216 01:17:31,740 --> 01:17:35,310 podcast or has to be able to know where to send it. How do 1217 01:17:35,310 --> 01:17:36,300 you close that loop? 1218 01:17:37,110 --> 01:17:40,860 Okay, so in Is there a TLV anywhere in there for the 1219 01:17:40,860 --> 01:17:43,110 sender's cell it? 1220 01:17:44,580 --> 01:17:51,480 I don't know. If not, we'll just try to hijack another one. It 1221 01:17:51,480 --> 01:17:59,130 might be but I didn't look at it a lot because wallets on on LM 1222 01:17:59,130 --> 01:18:05,940 pay normal wallets don't ever have a complete address, 1223 01:18:05,970 --> 01:18:08,310 right? You have to use the key 1224 01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:13,890 custom value by custom key and custom values are only for a 1225 01:18:13,890 --> 01:18:19,110 special type of wallet on LMP. That is called the podcast or 1226 01:18:19,110 --> 01:18:22,680 wallet those you can generate I think only on the on the 1227 01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:27,510 websites and you can't do it via the API. Oh, systematic 1228 01:18:27,660 --> 01:18:32,940 systematic can only generate what is called a standard wallet 1229 01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:37,560 a generic wallet. And I'm looking at it right now. Generic 1230 01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:43,320 wallet don't have don't have the custom key custom value assigned 1231 01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:47,010 to it. So I can I think there's no way to send back. 1232 01:18:47,490 --> 01:18:51,810 I think there is I think there is actually I think that the 1233 01:18:51,810 --> 01:18:57,180 standard wallets use a different I think they use a different TLV 1234 01:18:57,390 --> 01:19:02,280 custom key. I think they it's like a 112 to something. I'll 1235 01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:05,910 find it I think you actually can Oh, well I'll look and I'll be 1236 01:19:05,910 --> 01:19:11,400 very good. Thank you. We'll test it we'll test it out. Okay, so 1237 01:19:11,459 --> 01:19:13,829 that'd be sexy. I just want a button you know, just kind of 1238 01:19:13,829 --> 01:19:18,059 like I have one of these now, but then I just want to be able 1239 01:19:18,059 --> 01:19:22,739 to say okay, hold on a second. There you go Dave Jones I just 1240 01:19:22,739 --> 01:19:24,479 dropped some sass in your wallet brother. 1241 01:19:25,290 --> 01:19:28,410 I'm looking now at this and there is a field in there called 1242 01:19:28,410 --> 01:19:34,470 Cinder underscore key. It sounds like what we need cool. We were 1243 01:19:34,470 --> 01:19:37,200 gonna we're gonna have to play with this. This is important. 1244 01:19:38,460 --> 01:19:43,170 Okay, the veal Wait, no. He's gives us pronunciation says 1245 01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:49,380 pronounced will plus Lee so Willy Willy Willy. Willy. Willy 1246 01:19:49,440 --> 01:19:49,860 Willy. 1247 01:19:49,980 --> 01:19:53,310 Don't be daft. Don't be silly. Put a snakeskin on your Willie. 1248 01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:58,620 Is that a note? Is that an old that Australia? No, 1249 01:19:58,650 --> 01:20:01,830 no, I will Who told me that was David Coverdale? 1250 01:20:02,970 --> 01:20:07,260 From Whitesnake from Whitesnake. Yeah, okay, that makes sense. 1251 01:20:07,290 --> 01:20:07,680 And that 1252 01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:10,440 just came out just was a Whitesnake memory moment that 1253 01:20:10,590 --> 01:20:12,000 slipped out. Sorry. 1254 01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:15,120 Was his wife still laying on the hood of the Jaguar? That was it? 1255 01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:15,570 Yeah. 1256 01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:16,920 And you know she passed away. 1257 01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:19,860 Yeah, Tommy oh me something. 1258 01:20:19,890 --> 01:20:24,480 I was at their wedding. Tony you didn't know this I yeah, I was 1259 01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:27,420 at their wedding The Four Seasons in LA It was a long time 1260 01:20:27,420 --> 01:20:31,200 ago. And he was living with her and incline Valley incline 1261 01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:37,200 village in Lake Tahoe and she was I remember him cuz I Adrian 1262 01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:40,620 Vandenberg koi Dutch guitar player was in Whitesnake and I 1263 01:20:40,890 --> 01:20:44,490 know Adrian really well. And so I was on the I went out to a 1264 01:20:44,490 --> 01:20:46,410 couple of their shows when they came through New York, New 1265 01:20:46,410 --> 01:20:50,280 Jersey. And and you know, like, the third time I could hear him 1266 01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:53,460 go like, you know, they were just married. He'd be like, call 1267 01:20:53,460 --> 01:20:55,710 right after the show. Hello, kitten. How are you kidding? We 1268 01:20:55,710 --> 01:20:58,980 had a great show kitten. And then three shows laters like, 1269 01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:04,470 Damn, man, she spent 100 grand on curtains. Anyway, so they I'm 1270 01:21:04,470 --> 01:21:08,490 not telling you the truth. So they did separate but sadly, she 1271 01:21:08,850 --> 01:21:12,930 she just got addicted. She was on Celebrity Rehab with Dr. 1272 01:21:12,930 --> 01:21:17,160 Drew. Yeah, that was a weird episode because I knew three 1273 01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:21,780 people who were on that series, Dr. Drew, who are all at the 1274 01:21:21,780 --> 01:21:27,990 same time and then if she passed away she know, she had no she 1275 01:21:27,990 --> 01:21:31,140 wasn't doing too well. So sad, but she's doing better. But I 1276 01:21:31,140 --> 01:21:33,810 think there was so much abuse to her body that it just gave out. 1277 01:21:34,050 --> 01:21:36,960 Anyway, on an upbeat note. What the hell are we talking about 1278 01:21:36,990 --> 01:21:39,420 slip of the tongue was my favorite album so 1279 01:21:40,890 --> 01:21:42,150 it's a great a great title. 1280 01:21:43,500 --> 01:21:49,170 So Willie says he gave us 1000 sets and he says but almost 1281 01:21:49,170 --> 01:21:53,100 functional programming speak. Although I prefer calling them 1282 01:21:53,100 --> 01:21:57,750 maybes optionals is almost as good. Next up mapping functors 1283 01:21:57,780 --> 01:22:05,190 mon and Mon ads. Oh, yeah. This I have no idea what any of these 1284 01:22:05,190 --> 01:22:10,380 means. Functional programming speak. Alright, functional 1285 01:22:10,380 --> 01:22:15,030 programming speak. We need it we need Thank you really. But I 1286 01:22:15,030 --> 01:22:17,550 don't know what a functor is or a monad you know what that is 1287 01:22:17,550 --> 01:22:18,000 Franca. 1288 01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:23,670 Oh no, I read about those but an actor yes is to isolate for for 1289 01:22:23,730 --> 01:22:28,050 work for synchronization is a higher level kind of like 1290 01:22:28,050 --> 01:22:32,310 semaphores but the higher level you have something that is like 1291 01:22:32,310 --> 01:22:36,030 a class but everything that goes inside in and out of that 1292 01:22:36,060 --> 01:22:39,720 happens on a single thread and it's synchronize the source so 1293 01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:43,740 you have you not have no problem with multiple credit assessing 1294 01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:44,880 the variables. 1295 01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:50,100 I still get no idea which Thank you, but thank you for thank you 1296 01:22:50,100 --> 01:22:55,140 for trying to John. John's Bertie's is in this 10,040 1297 01:22:55,140 --> 01:22:57,480 nonsense and he says go podcasting. 1298 01:22:57,510 --> 01:23:00,330 Yeah, indeed. Podcast. 1299 01:23:02,370 --> 01:23:06,090 Okay, so what's a monad? What's that? I don't know. I really 1300 01:23:06,090 --> 01:23:12,450 don't. Okay, all right. Eris statica that he have top of the 1301 01:23:12,450 --> 01:23:17,250 leaderboard fame. He's still he's still king the hill just 1302 01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:18,060 throwing that out there. 1303 01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:20,730 But he's not he's not up in the ante. He's looking for 1304 01:23:20,730 --> 01:23:22,620 challenges he's looking for challengers. 1305 01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:25,260 Well, I mean, he didn't have to I mean, he's just sitting up 1306 01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:33,450 Yeah, right. With a beer 2376 SATs and he says PSB equals 1307 01:23:33,450 --> 01:23:39,390 personal standard booster Yes, we figured it out. Grab somebody 1308 01:23:39,390 --> 01:23:47,190 hold his beer, but was anonymous 19 165 SATs and from curio 1309 01:23:47,190 --> 01:23:51,000 Castro he says here's your cut of a messaged tip from curio 1310 01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:51,510 caster 1311 01:23:52,290 --> 01:23:58,830 I got I got that too. I also got to one of those here's a tip 1312 01:23:58,830 --> 01:24:00,120 from curio caster 1313 01:24:00,690 --> 01:24:03,450 I wonder if that's something new he's doing where he's mostly it 1314 01:24:03,450 --> 01:24:05,370 must render anonymous messages. 1315 01:24:05,820 --> 01:24:10,080 I don't know but I because I remember I sent a boost there 1316 01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:12,960 was just a boost and it came through like that so maybe he's 1317 01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:18,420 adding that he's making booster grams out of boosts why not? Why 1318 01:24:18,420 --> 01:24:21,120 not? Yeah, I was happy to see like okay 1319 01:24:22,770 --> 01:24:30,120 now I see it. Anonymous 1011 1111 cents so as a second 1320 01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:35,730 ones he sent through Brees Oh, this is a Circus circus media. 1321 01:24:35,850 --> 01:24:39,480 Oh yeah. Yeah, he says thank you for your courage boost 1322 01:24:40,890 --> 01:24:45,480 Yeah. I think I need to record you doing that this become kind 1323 01:24:45,480 --> 01:24:49,260 of a little drop all by its own your boost. Quite well. 1324 01:24:49,590 --> 01:24:57,390 Boost. Even our sent 500 sets sent to fountain he says we'd 1325 01:24:57,390 --> 01:25:01,500 love to hear the boardrooms, thoughts on synonyms. Check out 1326 01:25:01,950 --> 01:25:06,090 T FTC to 81 with John Carvalho Do you notice synonym is? 1327 01:25:07,410 --> 01:25:10,320 Is that? Uh, no, I don't think I do. I don't need I have a 1328 01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:15,090 feeling it's to why am I thinking it's a chat app or 1329 01:25:15,090 --> 01:25:15,630 something? 1330 01:25:17,039 --> 01:25:18,599 Like a functor or mon ad. 1331 01:25:19,139 --> 01:25:22,589 I think it's similar to a monad. But it doesn't have the Joie de 1332 01:25:22,589 --> 01:25:24,689 Vivre of a functor 1333 01:25:26,010 --> 01:25:27,840 flowmeter sounds like 1334 01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:32,040 another great band name, let's be honest about Yeah, ladies and 1335 01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:34,080 gentlemen, just give it up for functor, 1336 01:25:34,350 --> 01:25:40,170 the mothership? Wild that is I can't totally wrap my head 1337 01:25:40,170 --> 01:25:43,290 around. Could podcasting 2.0 you such an interesting technology? 1338 01:25:43,500 --> 01:25:45,270 I don't know what it is. Maybe? 1339 01:25:45,660 --> 01:25:51,090 I don't know. I don't know. I will say just as an aside, I had 1340 01:25:51,090 --> 01:25:56,520 a moment of clarity today. Guyana works in New York. He 1341 01:25:56,520 --> 01:26:00,210 works at a big consulting firm. And he's worked. He worked on 1342 01:26:00,300 --> 01:26:03,240 smart contracts and his theory and all that now he's gotten 1343 01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:06,750 into quote, unquote, the metaverse and he's working on 1344 01:26:06,750 --> 01:26:10,020 the commercial side of the metaverse but also on the open 1345 01:26:10,020 --> 01:26:13,770 source version of the metaverse, which is called decentraland. 1346 01:26:14,370 --> 01:26:18,720 And have you heard about like that? decentraland? No, so it's 1347 01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:22,560 decentraland.org. And you literally, you hit it with the 1348 01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:25,650 browser, and you can, you know, enter the world and it's very 1349 01:26:25,650 --> 01:26:30,270 second lifee. And you can navigate and do all that stuff. 1350 01:26:30,270 --> 01:26:35,130 And it's and I'm talking with them saying, so what is the 1351 01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:37,950 point? It's cool, because obviously I can just hit it with 1352 01:26:37,950 --> 01:26:40,980 any browser and I'm walking around in a world and I can 1353 01:26:41,190 --> 01:26:45,210 create my avatar and I can build stuff. It's kind of Minecraft 1354 01:26:45,210 --> 01:26:50,880 level graphics is just running on a surface go running Linux 1355 01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:53,850 min. So I'm already pretty impressed. You know, you people 1356 01:26:53,850 --> 01:26:57,120 are chatting, you can hear. You can hear them. You could if you 1357 01:26:57,120 --> 01:27:00,180 hook connect your mic, you can talk back to them. And so what 1358 01:27:00,180 --> 01:27:04,260 is this? It's against the metaverse. But what is the 1359 01:27:04,260 --> 01:27:10,260 point? I mean, we have an M is so slow to get from one place to 1360 01:27:10,260 --> 01:27:13,140 another to go to Yeah, I guess it could teleport to chat to 1361 01:27:13,140 --> 01:27:17,400 someone, but I you know, so we just stand around the pool table 1362 01:27:17,430 --> 01:27:22,260 that we're not really going to play pool on. It just Yeah, but 1363 01:27:22,260 --> 01:27:24,480 you know, you can exchange stuff. Yeah, I understand. But I 1364 01:27:24,480 --> 01:27:27,630 can exchange stuff with a QR code. Anyway, long story short, 1365 01:27:27,630 --> 01:27:31,170 I realize, you know, after finally going through this kind 1366 01:27:31,170 --> 01:27:34,530 of circle of question and answer. The Metaverse is just 1367 01:27:34,530 --> 01:27:40,110 another clubhouse with badass avatar just avatars and you're 1368 01:27:40,110 --> 01:27:42,960 in club so what what's the well creators can connect with their 1369 01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:45,180 fans? Well, that's what clubhouse was, 1370 01:27:45,450 --> 01:27:49,140 is yeah, it's it's a social audio. Yeah, and 1371 01:27:49,140 --> 01:27:52,680 no one cares. And it's a mess. 1372 01:27:53,340 --> 01:27:56,790 Just like they don't care about fire fireside chat or no no. 1373 01:27:56,910 --> 01:28:00,930 Well the the thing I definitely see this I mean if if you need a 1374 01:28:00,930 --> 01:28:04,890 workforce that needs to go into some low Rez room and is 1375 01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:10,980 basically using a data glove and VR glasses to train a robot AI 1376 01:28:11,700 --> 01:28:16,650 Yeah, sure. It's great for slave labor your kids can do it. Yeah, 1377 01:28:17,220 --> 01:28:21,600 but I don't see much beyond that. That is that is not I mean 1378 01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:25,500 don't we already live in a make believe worlds you know zoom. 1379 01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:28,890 You use fake backgrounds. You know you do all kinds you can 1380 01:28:28,890 --> 01:28:32,340 use filters on your face Instagram, not a single woman on 1381 01:28:32,340 --> 01:28:35,490 there's actually what she looks like, aren't we already kind of 1382 01:28:35,490 --> 01:28:38,520 in that world? Do we have to take it to that next step of 1383 01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:39,870 stumbling around? 1384 01:28:40,260 --> 01:28:44,310 This is the problem with all of this stuff like short form audio 1385 01:28:44,310 --> 01:28:49,680 and all in meta verses and the problem is time nobody has 1386 01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:52,170 enough time to do all this crap. I'm command 1387 01:28:52,170 --> 01:28:55,350 line brother I even stepped out of the GUI. That's how much time 1388 01:28:55,350 --> 01:28:56,340 I need to save. 1389 01:28:56,640 --> 01:29:00,420 I know like so. You know, I'm thinking that I mean, who is 1390 01:29:00,420 --> 01:29:07,590 gonna sit around and do a do a Twitter spaces more than maybe 1391 01:29:07,590 --> 01:29:10,890 once every six months? I know nobody has time for this crap 1392 01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:11,430 No, listen, 1393 01:29:11,430 --> 01:29:13,980 this is this is this is where it's going. That's that was the 1394 01:29:13,980 --> 01:29:19,020 big epiphany. This is for the groups of people and and I think 1395 01:29:19,020 --> 01:29:24,240 Italy will be high on this list Franco, groups of people, if not 1396 01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:28,050 entire countries, populations who are sitting at home 1397 01:29:28,050 --> 01:29:31,950 receiving universal basic income. And during the day they 1398 01:29:31,950 --> 01:29:34,800 hang out in the metaverse and train AI. 1399 01:29:37,140 --> 01:29:38,400 And disturbing 1400 01:29:38,430 --> 01:29:41,220 you don't you know how sphinx Chad had which I thought was 1401 01:29:41,220 --> 01:29:45,150 really cool. You know they have people in which is the other 1402 01:29:45,180 --> 01:29:48,180 their real business or part one of their businesses where they 1403 01:29:48,180 --> 01:29:53,790 have people in the Philippines and and they pay them per image. 1404 01:29:54,060 --> 01:29:59,970 And these images are i No one was training. Video care 1405 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,270 cameras, you know, like security cameras. And so they show an 1406 01:30:03,270 --> 01:30:06,570 image cat, okay? Not a threat, click click on the Not a threat 1407 01:30:06,570 --> 01:30:09,330 button, they show an image of a dude. Alright threat click on 1408 01:30:09,330 --> 01:30:11,760 the threat button. So they're training the AI all day and they 1409 01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:14,490 get 100 SATs or something, whatever they get for each time 1410 01:30:14,490 --> 01:30:19,470 they process an image. And this is no different from my daughter 1411 01:30:19,470 --> 01:30:21,450 stopped doing it. But she was working for one of those 1412 01:30:21,450 --> 01:30:25,200 companies to make some extra money during the lockdown, where 1413 01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:31,080 she evaluates search questions on Google or Siri, and then you 1414 01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:34,380 know, has to direct and make sure that those are corrected 1415 01:30:34,380 --> 01:30:38,490 and directed towards the the right answers. So this is what 1416 01:30:38,490 --> 01:30:41,070 peep that's what I think it will be for and it'll be great. And 1417 01:30:41,070 --> 01:30:43,890 then you sit around and then you throw a sex ball in the corner 1418 01:30:43,890 --> 01:30:47,430 and whatever, you know, like Second Life. Yeah, just for a 1419 01:30:47,430 --> 01:30:50,760 little distraction. Yeah, I think that'll work fine. 1420 01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:53,280 Meanwhile, we'll be out in the real world walking dogs. 1421 01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:57,900 Of course. This this is a dystopian version of the future. 1422 01:30:57,900 --> 01:30:59,730 I don't I don't want to live in. 1423 01:31:00,510 --> 01:31:04,530 I read an article we are already doing something like that with 1424 01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:09,090 CAPTCHA every time we solve Yes, correct. We we teach an 1425 01:31:09,570 --> 01:31:15,840 artificial an AI to to drive? Yes. We have to recognize the 1426 01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:21,360 semaphores buses, cars and stuff like that, because they need it 1427 01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:22,740 for self driving cars. 1428 01:31:23,550 --> 01:31:28,440 Well, that's the old thing of you know, have they the porn 1429 01:31:28,440 --> 01:31:32,970 sites put up a CAPTCHA in your your solving a CAPTCHA. But what 1430 01:31:32,970 --> 01:31:35,550 you're really solving is not a CAPTCHA for the for the site 1431 01:31:35,550 --> 01:31:37,860 that you're about to go into. You're solving a CAPTCHA in an 1432 01:31:37,860 --> 01:31:41,550 iframe for somebody taking over a Gmail account in in a third 1433 01:31:41,550 --> 01:31:42,150 world country. 1434 01:31:43,440 --> 01:31:45,090 That's pretty much right. Yeah, 1435 01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:47,040 yeah. That's that's the fact that's the factory. 1436 01:31:47,130 --> 01:31:49,590 Yeah. Unfortunate. Unfortunately, we're helping 1437 01:31:49,590 --> 01:31:51,480 Google with that. Mainly. 1438 01:31:52,410 --> 01:31:57,660 Cast pitlane is helping us with 3300 sets. It says thank you for 1439 01:31:57,660 --> 01:31:59,040 the show. No, thank you. 1440 01:31:59,430 --> 01:32:00,930 Thank you. Thank you. 1441 01:32:03,480 --> 01:32:12,090 Let's see. Oh, Abel Kirby. Aha 3900 53,915 sets enables a set 1442 01:32:12,090 --> 01:32:15,480 string where he says yeah, but my booster Graham spam didn't go 1443 01:32:15,480 --> 01:32:20,070 through. Oh, okay. Oh, I missed it. I didn't see the booster 1444 01:32:20,070 --> 01:32:20,430 spam. 1445 01:32:20,459 --> 01:32:24,509 No, no. Hey, hey, I liked I hadn't heard of that term yet. 1446 01:32:24,509 --> 01:32:26,099 Booster spam. Good one. 1447 01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:28,560 Yeah, that's what that's what he said. I read around he said 1448 01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:36,450 booster spam. That was not mine. Are that's it for for SAS and 1449 01:32:36,450 --> 01:32:40,200 our monthly guys. Keith Gibson gave us $50 Thank you. Kay 1450 01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:47,220 excuse been given forever. Oh, sir servi from clever.fm gave us 1451 01:32:47,220 --> 01:32:54,570 $5 David would find gave us $3 And Nygma labs $20. That Timothy 1452 01:32:54,570 --> 01:32:57,090 Hudgens my buddy I saw him last night at our school function. 1453 01:32:57,120 --> 01:33:03,930 $25 Thomas Sullivan Jr. gave us $5 and Jeremy Gurdas give us $5 1454 01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:12,840 Derek Visca $21 Damon Casta Jack $15 Paul Saltzman our buddy 1455 01:33:12,870 --> 01:33:15,240 gives 2020 Yep, always 20. 1456 01:33:15,810 --> 01:33:21,300 Yeah. SEAN MILLER gave us $10 In David Norman from hyperkinetic, 1457 01:33:21,300 --> 01:33:23,520 hey, hey, David. 1458 01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:29,970 Mr. David. All right. Yes, and I wanted to make a recommendation 1459 01:33:29,970 --> 01:33:33,990 if you want to support the show, and maybe instead of doing a 1460 01:33:33,990 --> 01:33:41,490 PayPal, do your $20 or $5 or $50 in Satoshis it's a great way now 1461 01:33:41,490 --> 01:33:49,290 that we are 10% 10% less value than the last show as Bitcoin is 1462 01:33:49,290 --> 01:33:54,810 currently around 57 500. If you send us those stats, now, they 1463 01:33:54,810 --> 01:33:58,980 all stay on the node. But then when we eventually need some, 1464 01:33:59,010 --> 01:34:01,740 it'll be higher and it'll be an even bigger support. 1465 01:34:03,180 --> 01:34:05,790 Feature Match? Your match? Yes. 1466 01:34:05,820 --> 01:34:08,790 It's like NPR. Yeah. And you know, we'll give you a tote bag. 1467 01:34:10,740 --> 01:34:11,790 Next feature Matt, 1468 01:34:13,140 --> 01:34:19,080 future tote bag. No, seriously, that's a that would be a great 1469 01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:22,470 opportunity. Because I think I think it will rebound. I'm not 1470 01:34:22,470 --> 01:34:25,290 too worried about this price. I'm looking 1471 01:34:25,290 --> 01:34:28,920 at synonym here. This is synonym or provide us with new pick one 1472 01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:31,890 powered services. It looks like they're a lightning service 1473 01:34:31,890 --> 01:34:37,680 provider. Oh, okay. It says block tank LSP is one of their 1474 01:34:37,680 --> 01:34:39,750 products your full service lightning service provider 1475 01:34:39,750 --> 01:34:42,840 businesses, platforms, apps or Bitcoiners can configure and 1476 01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:46,620 purchase Lightning Network Connections and liquidity. I'll 1477 01:34:46,620 --> 01:34:47,490 have to look through this. 1478 01:34:47,850 --> 01:34:52,110 Oh I see synonym introduces the architecture for us. Oh, is it 1479 01:34:52,110 --> 01:34:56,520 self sovereign? I'm clicking on it. Bitcoin Economy supported by 1480 01:34:56,520 --> 01:34:58,980 the Lightning Network. Oh, okay. So we do have to learn I'm gonna 1481 01:34:59,010 --> 01:35:02,250 put this up in the show notes so people can take a look at that. 1482 01:35:02,250 --> 01:35:03,000 That's interesting. 1483 01:35:03,570 --> 01:35:09,390 Did you see that? Did y'all see that? New podcast is coming out? 1484 01:35:09,390 --> 01:35:13,620 This is like says it's funded by Bitcoin. Did you see that? 1485 01:35:14,100 --> 01:35:17,460 I heard. Where did you read? Did you see this? 1486 01:35:17,489 --> 01:35:21,329 Well, yeah, James posted about it on the thing. And then I sent 1487 01:35:21,329 --> 01:35:24,989 us an email about it. It just says funded by Bitcoin and I 1488 01:35:24,989 --> 01:35:26,249 don't know what that means. 1489 01:35:26,310 --> 01:35:31,080 No, it was kind of fuzzy for me too. Yeah. Especially because he 1490 01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:33,390 was saying I should go talk to them. Like what? 1491 01:35:34,079 --> 01:35:36,929 Yeah, well, I guess I mean, if they if they come out with a 1492 01:35:36,929 --> 01:35:40,019 Bitcoin podcast, and they don't have it value for value, and 1493 01:35:40,109 --> 01:35:41,099 then I'm gonna put in 1494 01:35:41,100 --> 01:35:49,170 their shit coiners basically it's a backup Bitcoiners pod. If 1495 01:35:49,170 --> 01:35:51,780 you if you're into Bitcoin, you have a podcast and you're not 1496 01:35:51,780 --> 01:35:53,430 doing value for value. Hmm. 1497 01:35:54,240 --> 01:35:56,610 It's a chicken shit cast. 1498 01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:03,030 Well, thank you very much, everybody. That is. I was well, 1499 01:36:03,090 --> 01:36:05,580 it's what keeps us going. It's what keeps everything running. 1500 01:36:05,700 --> 01:36:11,340 Keeps the machine rolling out. Now we're also we've increased 1501 01:36:11,340 --> 01:36:15,060 our costs, right? We're we have the deal with LM pay in place as 1502 01:36:15,090 --> 01:36:20,190 Tim sent us an invoice. I hope so. We had to remind him, remind 1503 01:36:20,190 --> 01:36:23,910 him I think he mentioned the shield. He is He is and that's 1504 01:36:23,910 --> 01:36:24,900 an invoice, bro. 1505 01:36:25,500 --> 01:36:28,650 Yep, I hope I hope so. Cuz let's check with every but we I mean, 1506 01:36:28,740 --> 01:36:31,260 if he hadn't we had, it's bad when you get to bug people to 1507 01:36:31,260 --> 01:36:36,390 pay it to to get paid? Like, that's the opposite of what it 1508 01:36:36,390 --> 01:36:41,160 should be. Just get free. Okay. Go ahead, Dave. Yeah, Franco, I 1509 01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:47,760 was just gonna ask you. How has your cut of lightning and stuff? 1510 01:36:47,790 --> 01:36:50,400 I mean, if you made any decent amount of sets, 1511 01:36:51,150 --> 01:36:55,440 early? Oh, yes, they're coming. There's a 4% I think fee. 1512 01:36:55,590 --> 01:36:59,550 Nice. There you go. I like that. I like seeing that very good. 1513 01:36:59,640 --> 01:37:05,190 I think that's fair. And it's very fair. We, I might do 1514 01:37:05,190 --> 01:37:09,750 something something more, I used to have ads in customer article 1515 01:37:09,870 --> 01:37:14,100 a couple years ago, then I removed them all. Because I 1516 01:37:14,100 --> 01:37:18,750 didn't want to integrate Google's libraries. And such I 1517 01:37:18,750 --> 01:37:24,060 removed the old old tracking stuff from from, and there's the 1518 01:37:24,060 --> 01:37:28,770 possibility to pay via in app purchase. Originally, it was 1519 01:37:28,770 --> 01:37:32,250 meant to remove the ads. And right now, it just says no. As 1520 01:37:32,250 --> 01:37:35,910 for everybody, if you want to support me, you can do in a 1521 01:37:35,910 --> 01:37:40,650 purchase. But I think that in one of the next releases when 1522 01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:45,690 when you reach an some amount of fees paid via value for value, 1523 01:37:45,690 --> 01:37:51,660 you get the same features as you would have when when within a 1524 01:37:51,660 --> 01:37:58,350 purchase, maybe one, I will I will remove AAP completely. That 1525 01:37:58,350 --> 01:37:58,890 Oh guys, 1526 01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:01,830 how are you? How are you finding the onboarding process for 1527 01:38:01,830 --> 01:38:05,880 people? Where do you get any feedback from your users? Like I 1528 01:38:05,880 --> 01:38:08,490 mean onboarding for value for value. Yeah, sorry. Wow. 1529 01:38:08,550 --> 01:38:09,960 Right. Right now, 1530 01:38:10,620 --> 01:38:16,410 I think just the geeky, geeky users and and people that that 1531 01:38:16,710 --> 01:38:21,480 are on podcasts index.org Are our onboarding and so I think 1532 01:38:21,480 --> 01:38:25,110 they had no no issue because not nobody had problems. There was 1533 01:38:25,110 --> 01:38:29,100 some problems in in the in the UI for boosting and they 1534 01:38:29,100 --> 01:38:35,130 reported it I already solved those most of those in 801 but I 1535 01:38:35,130 --> 01:38:38,850 think on onboarding is is most you don't get presented with 1536 01:38:38,850 --> 01:38:43,290 anything until you try to list them with with some to some 1537 01:38:43,290 --> 01:38:47,010 called podcast that has value for value then you have you have 1538 01:38:47,010 --> 01:38:54,300 a box in the in the player that says no wallet configured up all 1539 01:38:54,300 --> 01:38:57,270 the information you can generate the wallet with no problem they 1540 01:38:57,270 --> 01:39:01,500 ask you if you want to backup and from that is almost 1541 01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:03,270 everything is automatic. And Andrew 1542 01:39:03,539 --> 01:39:06,479 like I liked it. That's serverless that's that's very 1543 01:39:06,479 --> 01:39:07,169 impressive. 1544 01:39:07,829 --> 01:39:08,879 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, 1545 01:39:08,940 --> 01:39:13,830 it's it's very difficult to you have to work a lot to spare 1546 01:39:13,830 --> 01:39:17,790 battery and bandwidth. Yeah, all every every single every single 1547 01:39:17,790 --> 01:39:21,120 feed from the device can be costly, but I have some 1548 01:39:21,120 --> 01:39:27,030 optimization. The the app tries to tries to predict when the 1549 01:39:27,030 --> 01:39:28,500 next episode will be. 1550 01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:32,520 Oh, maybe you should maybe share between episodes. Yes, exactly. 1551 01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:36,270 You share algorithms with Dave so you guys synchronize that's 1552 01:39:36,270 --> 01:39:39,090 Could you do the same thing meantime between episodes? 1553 01:39:39,510 --> 01:39:42,030 Yes. I feel like that is brilliant. The name is 1554 01:39:42,030 --> 01:39:43,170 different. But yes, 1555 01:39:43,230 --> 01:39:44,370 the same. What do you call it? 1556 01:39:45,119 --> 01:39:49,619 I don't remember. Go into source codes but the tight time 1557 01:39:49,619 --> 01:39:52,049 interval between episodes or something like that 1558 01:39:52,379 --> 01:39:55,349 in TBE as much as much rolls off the tongue Yeah, right. 1559 01:39:55,350 --> 01:39:58,170 Sure. Does. I mean that's that's now official. Yeah. That's 1560 01:39:58,170 --> 01:40:02,400 official language. Yeah. Just change your code right away. 1561 01:40:02,790 --> 01:40:03,900 I will. I will. 1562 01:40:05,100 --> 01:40:10,020 I was just looking here and I just realized that Oh, no, no, I 1563 01:40:10,020 --> 01:40:13,050 was I was subscribed, okay, because that I was I subscribed 1564 01:40:13,050 --> 01:40:16,320 to every if any app podcast app has an in app purchase, I'm 1565 01:40:16,350 --> 01:40:19,050 subscribed to all of them and I was like, Oh, let me make sure 1566 01:40:19,050 --> 01:40:21,510 that I was in cosmetics. So I went in there and I realized I 1567 01:40:21,510 --> 01:40:26,970 had testflight installed I was on the beta it's it's not going 1568 01:40:26,970 --> 01:40:30,270 to do it but then I flipped back over to the normal one and hit 1569 01:40:30,270 --> 01:40:32,670 Restore purchases said he said you've already purchased this so 1570 01:40:32,670 --> 01:40:35,880 I'm like okay, I had a panic moment. I'm good. Is there it? 1571 01:40:36,180 --> 01:40:41,040 Go ahead if I'll tell you what I tell everybody give give me more 1572 01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:45,510 options. So like okay, only in only in your app. It only says 1573 01:40:45,510 --> 01:40:50,790 999 a year. Oh, I want I want in there a 29 Nine a year and a 1574 01:40:50,790 --> 01:40:55,140 5999 99 a year I want I want some different options if if 1575 01:40:55,140 --> 01:40:58,170 it's possible because I went don't ever not let people pay 1576 01:40:58,170 --> 01:40:59,340 you more more money. 1577 01:41:00,150 --> 01:41:03,570 always room for more money. And don't negotiate against 1578 01:41:03,570 --> 01:41:07,320 yourself. We have to You're not I think like that. But most app 1579 01:41:07,320 --> 01:41:11,670 developers like wow, my apps really 99 cents I'm really 1580 01:41:11,670 --> 01:41:14,790 should only be one Satoshi no man if you did good work and 1581 01:41:14,790 --> 01:41:16,620 just tell me here's what I need. 1582 01:41:17,070 --> 01:41:20,940 Yeah, it's there's a 5999 button in there. I'm hitting it. Okay. 1583 01:41:21,660 --> 01:41:22,260 Okay. 1584 01:41:23,670 --> 01:41:24,810 And I mean inbox. 1585 01:41:26,310 --> 01:41:27,870 I'm not hitting that one. I'm not hitting down. 1586 01:41:29,250 --> 01:41:31,680 Franco, how far are you from Firenze? It's about three hours 1587 01:41:31,680 --> 01:41:32,490 by car maybe? 1588 01:41:32,520 --> 01:41:34,020 Yeah, yeah. Three hours. 1589 01:41:34,050 --> 01:41:36,360 Yes. Next time I'm there. I'm going to drive I've actually 1590 01:41:36,360 --> 01:41:41,160 driven through some amo Yeah, I went from a center of France on 1591 01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:46,770 GS entre pay to Yeah, I can't remember if I drove to or from 1592 01:41:46,860 --> 01:41:49,920 that movie. No, you hit Monaco first, then SATA. Amo, right. 1593 01:41:50,010 --> 01:41:53,820 Yes. And then, Jenna, why would you want to immediately go fast 1594 01:41:53,820 --> 01:41:57,030 and go away from there? Yeah, that's it. Wow. That's what I'm 1595 01:41:57,030 --> 01:41:59,700 telling you. Dave. You hit Genoa and it's like, it's like a 1596 01:41:59,730 --> 01:42:04,110 highway that intersects in this mountainous town. It just looks 1597 01:42:04,110 --> 01:42:07,650 dirty. And I mean, it just look it's what happens there. Is that 1598 01:42:07,650 --> 01:42:10,320 a factory town? What's going on in general? Oh, it was 1599 01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:15,960 a port town and factory town right now. It is 1600 01:42:16,020 --> 01:42:18,510 shanty towns, shanty towns. Yes. 1601 01:42:18,540 --> 01:42:22,710 But the center of the town the ancient port now is been 1602 01:42:22,740 --> 01:42:28,200 revalued and, and gets finally a lot of tourism. Just just a 1603 01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:32,190 little piece of the town. The one that you the part that you 1604 01:42:32,190 --> 01:42:34,590 see from the highway is very, very bad. 1605 01:42:35,730 --> 01:42:40,950 Very Yes, sir. Okay, well, I would love to I would love to 1606 01:42:40,950 --> 01:42:44,880 hang out, man if we were allowed back in this course. Let me 1607 01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:47,970 know. Of course, of course, I won't just drop by without 1608 01:42:47,970 --> 01:42:48,210 telling 1609 01:42:48,209 --> 01:42:50,219 you. Okay, no problem. 1610 01:42:51,870 --> 01:42:55,320 Is anything else we can do for you Francona, any anything you 1611 01:42:55,320 --> 01:42:57,390 need any functionality, 1612 01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:02,910 any doing what you're doing, if, if we can make pod ping work for 1613 01:43:02,910 --> 01:43:07,860 apps with no server, it will be incredible. Okay, because what 1614 01:43:07,860 --> 01:43:12,750 you're doing is an incredible work and I'm really proud to to 1615 01:43:12,750 --> 01:43:14,670 make a little part of it. 1616 01:43:15,060 --> 01:43:17,640 Now you're doing a big part man and thank you so much for for 1617 01:43:17,640 --> 01:43:20,580 all your your time and your talent that you've put into this 1618 01:43:20,580 --> 01:43:24,390 is really beautiful. I'm gonna see if I can upgrade my iPhone 1619 01:43:24,390 --> 01:43:27,090 six to the latest iOS. I probably the reason why it's 1620 01:43:27,090 --> 01:43:30,540 crashing is because I don't have any it's probably before all the 1621 01:43:30,540 --> 01:43:36,390 audio shit came in. Probably how old my Oh, my iOS is. Dave, I 1622 01:43:36,390 --> 01:43:39,630 bet you you go on. Can you disclose your location? And by 1623 01:43:39,630 --> 01:43:42,240 the way, does anyone have the passwords while you're gone? 1624 01:43:42,930 --> 01:43:46,560 No, nobody has the password. Okay, good. All right. It's my 1625 01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:52,380 job security. Yeah, we're going to Universal Studios in Orlando. 1626 01:43:52,500 --> 01:43:55,470 Oh, that's right. Oh, you've been before, haven't you? 1627 01:43:55,710 --> 01:44:00,960 No, no, we never met. So what happened was during we had were 1628 01:44:00,990 --> 01:44:07,440 had a plan to go. Like, two months before the pandemic hit. 1629 01:44:07,530 --> 01:44:10,200 Yeah. And it totally screwed there. So we had to cancel and 1630 01:44:10,200 --> 01:44:13,560 everything. So we're finally we're finally taking the trip 1631 01:44:13,560 --> 01:44:16,680 that we're gonna take two years ago. So yeah, we're gonna we'll 1632 01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:17,490 be down there for a week. 1633 01:44:17,670 --> 01:44:20,010 What are you most excited about doing while you're down there? 1634 01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:23,310 I had no idea. I'm just excited. I'm excited about not being at 1635 01:44:23,310 --> 01:44:24,150 work. Yeah. 1636 01:44:24,300 --> 01:44:27,360 All right. Good. We'll turn your phone off, man. Yeah, totally. 1637 01:44:27,390 --> 01:44:30,270 And leave the password on post it notes somewhere so we can 1638 01:44:30,270 --> 01:44:31,860 have someone go pick it up for us. 1639 01:44:32,130 --> 01:44:36,870 Yeah, Eric, you'll fly in from Washington and make a claim. 1640 01:44:36,900 --> 01:44:39,420 Make a claim I need in that house. I need to get past right 1641 01:44:39,420 --> 01:44:42,240 now. Oh, yeah. You've seen Eric to do it. 1642 01:44:42,690 --> 01:44:45,450 Oh, he will. without thinking twice. 1643 01:44:46,590 --> 01:44:49,710 Excellent. Have a great weekend. Dave. Have a great vacation. 1644 01:44:49,710 --> 01:44:52,440 Great trip. Franco. Thank you so much. Thank you again for 1645 01:44:52,440 --> 01:44:54,510 everything and thank you for staying up for the show. It's 1646 01:44:54,510 --> 01:44:57,720 been it's been a great, great chat we've had today. Thank you. 1647 01:44:57,720 --> 01:45:00,840 It was a honor and it was very a lot of fun. Thank you. All 1648 01:45:00,840 --> 01:45:03,180 right, everybody. That's it for the International Colors of 1649 01:45:03,180 --> 01:45:07,920 Benetton podcast. 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