1 00:00:00,719 --> 00:00:06,209 podcasting 2.0 for November 12 2021, episode 62 Dockerized 2 00:00:06,209 --> 00:00:07,199 and good to go. 3 00:00:10,559 --> 00:00:15,269 That's right. Double noted now. Hello everybody time once again 4 00:00:15,269 --> 00:00:18,509 for the official meeting of the Board of Directors of 5 00:00:18,509 --> 00:00:21,569 podcasting. 2.0 It's a podcast Go figure. 6 00:00:22,710 --> 00:00:26,340 We discuss everything about podcasts index.org the podcast 7 00:00:26,340 --> 00:00:30,030 namespace and of course, the true genius that takes place at 8 00:00:30,030 --> 00:00:32,850 podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of 9 00:00:32,850 --> 00:00:36,120 Hill Country, Texas, and in Alabama wrangling JSON to the 10 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,000 ground. My friend on the other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. 11 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,320 Dave Jones. 12 00:00:42,480 --> 00:00:45,990 A socialist is genius. But it's also it's been a little spicy 13 00:00:45,990 --> 00:00:50,790 the last couple of days. Cuz you mean Alex gates? Yeah. Alex and 14 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,510 James getting in there. Oh, I missed that. What are you do? 15 00:00:56,190 --> 00:00:59,190 Oh, about time codes and stuff like that. Yeah, like that. This 16 00:00:59,190 --> 00:01:03,510 is good, man. Yeah, we need to have a friendly, friendly 17 00:01:03,510 --> 00:01:06,600 challenge. Challenging atmosphere that push things 18 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:10,980 forward. You will also like the spicy Yeah. And you know, in a, 19 00:01:11,850 --> 00:01:16,710 in a traditional corporate corporate environment, this was 20 00:01:16,710 --> 00:01:20,970 all be on Slack behind the boss's back. No one would know 21 00:01:20,970 --> 00:01:21,510 about it. 22 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:27,570 They're just Yeah, well, exactly. Exactly. So once again, 23 00:01:28,170 --> 00:01:33,150 that's why it's so brilliant. Huh. That's where people are 24 00:01:33,180 --> 00:01:36,390 feel like they can talk about stuff and give their opinions 25 00:01:36,390 --> 00:01:39,450 and got nothing to lose by actually giving their opinion Go 26 00:01:39,450 --> 00:01:44,160 figure. Yeah, and we in this group has proven that we can all 27 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:48,270 take criticism, and may and turn it into good stuff into you and 28 00:01:48,270 --> 00:01:51,420 not like that. That's that's the best part of this whole was the 29 00:01:51,420 --> 00:01:54,180 best part of the part of the whole project. You still sound 30 00:01:54,180 --> 00:01:59,070 pretty nasal Lee. Yeah, it's just I mean, like, I started 31 00:01:59,070 --> 00:02:03,420 feeling better. And maybe a day into the antibiotics I didn't 32 00:02:03,420 --> 00:02:06,270 get some antibiotics maybe 10 days after this thing started 33 00:02:06,270 --> 00:02:09,840 and then I started feeling better day or two and now I feel 34 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,690 like crap again. I don't know what it is. Is something going 35 00:02:12,690 --> 00:02:13,500 around because 36 00:02:14,790 --> 00:02:15,870 you don't know what it is? 37 00:02:17,310 --> 00:02:22,440 No, nobody. I mean, the guests from my doctor was RSV but she 38 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,770 knows at this point I mean we may have you know like this 39 00:02:25,770 --> 00:02:26,820 maybe like polio 40 00:02:28,620 --> 00:02:32,910 I'm sorry I didn't mean to laugh let's let's say it's not polio 41 00:02:32,910 --> 00:02:36,210 that would not not be good nothing nothing brings the room 42 00:02:36,210 --> 00:02:37,410 down like a get polio Joe 43 00:02:38,910 --> 00:02:40,470 know your audience Dave Jones 44 00:02:42,750 --> 00:02:46,200 I don't know I'm alive though. Oh SAS sound like I sound like 45 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,860 I'm going to can you do sound a little bit that's just your your 46 00:02:49,860 --> 00:02:54,240 pipes. Yeah, that's it. I mean, if nothing else changed my head. 47 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:00,150 Was pretty empty sound hollow? may not be good. I gotta tell 48 00:03:00,150 --> 00:03:04,050 you I'm so sick of hearing myself. This past week. Yo, 49 00:03:04,050 --> 00:03:08,850 yeah. I was on a podcast Oh yeah. Podcast two or so I was on 50 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,010 BTC sessions. 51 00:03:12,180 --> 00:03:15,210 Wire Goodwin by the way. I like that. Thank you. It was 52 00:03:15,210 --> 00:03:19,680 intimidating. Because yeah, the first 45 minutes these guys are 53 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,670 talking oh gee bitcoins stories. I'm like, I'm not quite sure 54 00:03:23,670 --> 00:03:26,580 exactly what to say about all this. I'll just talking about 55 00:03:26,580 --> 00:03:30,060 back in the day. And when and back in the day Bitcoin for you 56 00:03:30,060 --> 00:03:34,500 was, I can't pay the rent with this stuff. Pretty much. It's 57 00:03:34,500 --> 00:03:36,720 all very triggering to hear those stories. Like I don't want 58 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,600 to know about the 65 bitcoins I sold at 900. I don't want to 59 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,360 know that at all. I feel very, very poorly about this. 60 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,920 But I did not anymore because now you know, they're coming 61 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:51,780 back to me the SATs every single day. So excited. The farmer guy 62 00:03:51,780 --> 00:03:55,890 was interesting was a farmer. Yeah, yeah, he's and he's 63 00:03:55,890 --> 00:03:57,510 building a citadel, which is, 64 00:03:58,620 --> 00:04:01,860 I guess the Citadel was kind of, it can be a real word. I think 65 00:04:01,860 --> 00:04:04,650 he's doing a real world one, but you can do it as a virtual one. 66 00:04:04,650 --> 00:04:09,900 It's just it's essentially people who are connected and do 67 00:04:09,900 --> 00:04:14,190 commerce via Bitcoin. Which brings me to the second thing 68 00:04:14,190 --> 00:04:18,840 which is Texas slim who I I had not done an interview for the 69 00:04:18,840 --> 00:04:21,360 with Adam curry podcasts. It's 70 00:04:22,980 --> 00:04:28,230 Oh, it's probably on April 2020. So the index was about the 71 00:04:28,230 --> 00:04:28,980 deprioritize. 72 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:35,130 The feed was pretty, pretty crusty. And by the way, Texas 73 00:04:35,130 --> 00:04:37,800 limb was doing the Texas Beef initiative is exactly one of 74 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,950 those one of those citadels where he's now onboarding 75 00:04:40,950 --> 00:04:44,430 ranchers, onboarding people who can transport on that onboarding 76 00:04:44,430 --> 00:04:47,760 retailers and ultimately consumers. And they're doing it 77 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,630 through an app. They have an app called oshi. Oh shi, and I think 78 00:04:51,630 --> 00:04:54,150 oh, she is similar to strike that you can connect it to a 79 00:04:54,150 --> 00:04:55,740 card or to a bank. 80 00:04:57,300 --> 00:04:59,970 Shi Yeah, and 81 00:05:00,510 --> 00:05:05,760 And and he already has a pretty big rancher on board in Austin 82 00:05:06,690 --> 00:05:09,120 which is and this came to me through Marty bent so you know 83 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,700 it's it's it's official Bitcoin business 84 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,930 oshi support local earn Bitcoin Yeah. Yeah. And the pitch to the 85 00:05:19,380 --> 00:05:23,250 ranchers and the retailers is well look is 2.7% right off the 86 00:05:23,250 --> 00:05:25,680 top, you don't have to pay because you're not to pay those 87 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:26,250 fees, 88 00:05:27,300 --> 00:05:30,600 your credit card fees, so why don't you you can keep that or 89 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,590 you could store it and keep it in the app and grow it. And they 90 00:05:34,590 --> 00:05:35,550 all like this idea. 91 00:05:36,750 --> 00:05:39,690 Anyway, so that so that's, that was the second thing. And then 92 00:05:40,380 --> 00:05:43,740 based upon the BTC sessions, John through 93 00:05:45,330 --> 00:05:51,000 GG interviewed me for closing the loop. You know, was that he? 94 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,580 Oh, yeah, of course, as that dropped headers, yes. That has 95 00:05:53,580 --> 00:05:59,250 dropped Dave. This drops. It's, it's you're on the floor. And 96 00:05:59,370 --> 00:06:02,490 I'm listening to all these podcasting. I'll go back and 97 00:06:02,490 --> 00:06:05,760 listen, not for myself. But you know, what did I miss? What did 98 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,420 I miss? Understand? I listen to all interviews just to see if I 99 00:06:09,420 --> 00:06:13,950 can. Did I understand what the question was, I'm anal like 100 00:06:13,950 --> 00:06:14,280 that. 101 00:06:16,770 --> 00:06:21,210 And I'm thinking holy crap, man. My mic sounds so damn good. It's 102 00:06:21,210 --> 00:06:24,540 like you've been, you've been very me with this mo toolbox. 103 00:06:24,660 --> 00:06:27,780 I've never given it up. I mean, I've tried everything. I was 104 00:06:27,780 --> 00:06:30,660 like, no, no, no, nothing quite like this. It has just something 105 00:06:30,660 --> 00:06:34,290 in it. That is just so nice. And it's and yeah, and you're on a 106 00:06:34,290 --> 00:06:37,920 podcast, and I'm like, bam, I'm booming out. And the host is 107 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,200 like, so tell me a little bit about 108 00:06:42,810 --> 00:06:45,780 like, we have so much to work on. Yeah, here. I'm seeing it. 109 00:06:45,810 --> 00:06:48,840 Episode Nine can't stop the signal. Oh, I like it. Yeah, 110 00:06:48,840 --> 00:06:51,360 it's a good good title. Chose a good title. I liked it. So as 111 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,470 Gigi on there with you? Mm hmm. Just this was just you and John 112 00:06:55,470 --> 00:06:58,740 John. Yeah. Okay. And what was fun about it is I didn't know 113 00:06:58,740 --> 00:07:03,030 this. He's in Dominican Republic. He's Canadian. But he 114 00:07:03,540 --> 00:07:06,600 when they locked down Canada, he and his, his I think his 115 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,880 girlfriend, they escaped and they went to the Dominican 116 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,940 Republic. They've been there ever since. Oh, wow. Yeah, 117 00:07:11,940 --> 00:07:14,310 that's one way to do it. Yeah. He's he said, I don't know if I 118 00:07:14,310 --> 00:07:17,760 want to go back. Or if I can ever go back. That's always the 119 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:22,650 danger is, is who has it Ron Paul, back in the day say, hey, 120 00:07:22,650 --> 00:07:25,110 when they're building border walls. Yeah. It's not to keep 121 00:07:25,110 --> 00:07:27,990 them out as to keep you Exactly, exactly. 122 00:07:29,700 --> 00:07:33,270 Now, I hadn't heard it yet. Indeed. I put it on. Download it 123 00:07:33,270 --> 00:07:37,200 here. I I'm sad. But anyway, so my point was, I'm just sick and 124 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:38,880 tired of hearing myself like 125 00:07:40,980 --> 00:07:45,960 I can't tell when you go silent for a while on, on chat and 126 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,630 signal and everything. I can tell you're just like, you know, 127 00:07:48,870 --> 00:07:52,440 I'm sick. I'm sick of myself. I'm I need to go do something 128 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,900 else for a while. Well, actually, 129 00:07:56,100 --> 00:07:59,100 that's interesting that that's how you perceive that. 130 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,120 It's usually because I'm super busy doing these damn 131 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:07,020 interviews. Yeah, that's that's usually what it is. 132 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:13,290 But I go to bed and I wake up with podcasting. 2.0 I gotta 133 00:08:13,290 --> 00:08:17,250 tell you, I really do and, and I, I finally got my umbrella to 134 00:08:17,250 --> 00:08:17,760 work. 135 00:08:18,780 --> 00:08:22,470 And now now even more jacked. Yeah. Tell me about all this. 136 00:08:22,470 --> 00:08:25,830 Tell me about Tell me about your my experience around Berlin. 137 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,670 Yeah, so I have I had the, the raspy blitz for a long time love 138 00:08:29,670 --> 00:08:33,660 it, it works. But when I really understood what the Umbral was, 139 00:08:33,660 --> 00:08:36,900 when I took a look at it, I said, Oh, this is kind of that 140 00:08:36,900 --> 00:08:41,850 home server we were all dreaming about in 2000 but 20 years ago, 141 00:08:41,850 --> 00:08:45,390 it's like on this thing, it'll, it'll store content. So the 142 00:08:45,390 --> 00:08:49,230 whole again, the whole podcasting concept was developed 143 00:08:49,230 --> 00:08:53,610 in 2000. With the enclosure tag podcasting itself didn't happen 144 00:08:53,610 --> 00:08:56,670 until I saw my first iPod so that was three years this was 145 00:08:56,670 --> 00:08:59,640 working and the whole thinking was you'd have Do you remember 146 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:04,530 the cube the cobalt cube another name I don't remember what it 147 00:09:04,530 --> 00:09:08,670 was do a search right now. It's with sees the cobalt cube it was 148 00:09:08,670 --> 00:09:11,430 blue. You wanted the you want the cube they had a rackmount 149 00:09:11,430 --> 00:09:15,870 later. And this end it was a Linux box. And in this box, it 150 00:09:15,870 --> 00:09:20,460 had Wi Fi in it. It had filesharing it had an email 151 00:09:20,460 --> 00:09:24,420 server it had you know, basically your your mini ISP. 152 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,990 And now this was early early days, so a lot of things that it 153 00:09:27,990 --> 00:09:33,990 didn't have or Oh, cute QUB e cobalt Q o whiskey. Oh, let's 154 00:09:33,990 --> 00:09:37,470 write q UB. Oh yeah, yeah, I know this thing. I've seen this 155 00:09:37,470 --> 00:09:42,390 mancia it ran red hat. Yes, I still have it. I found it when 156 00:09:42,390 --> 00:09:46,590 we moved. You do not I do. I do. I do. 157 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,520 We should probably let's get that sucker. See what comes up. 158 00:09:50,940 --> 00:09:53,970 It's got two network jacks on the back of it and an LED on the 159 00:09:53,970 --> 00:10:00,000 back. Yeah LED screen on the LED was to to read the IP address. 160 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,800 So I think yes, like it's so it's got a USB port. 161 00:10:06,029 --> 00:10:07,769 A DB non serial port. 162 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:13,530 Cool our right. Oh, that's nice. That's slick that looks like it 163 00:10:13,530 --> 00:10:16,860 looks like an old Oh, is it the Mac cube? Yeah, I had that too. 164 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,950 I don't have that one anymore. And cube three. I think I have 165 00:10:19,950 --> 00:10:22,890 the cube three. Now I'm looking at the power cord. 166 00:10:23,310 --> 00:10:26,940 Unfortunately, I betcha I don't have that anymore. But it says 167 00:10:27,150 --> 00:10:29,760 this model lacks the external scuzzy port. 168 00:10:32,130 --> 00:10:36,690 I know what a bummer. Anyway, so that was kind of the dream is 169 00:10:36,690 --> 00:10:39,840 that you'd have this box and it would, it would be a media 170 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:44,970 server. And mind you this is when Wi Fi was just coming out. 171 00:10:44,970 --> 00:10:48,330 And I had I had repeaters all along the he had a foot off the 172 00:10:48,330 --> 00:10:51,570 gentleman's canal in the Netherlands, bouncing off, you 173 00:10:51,570 --> 00:10:54,810 know, three different friends homes. With repeaters. It was 174 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,620 some Australian, I think was the guys who invented it. Didn't why 175 00:10:58,620 --> 00:11:02,370 wasn't Wi Fi invented in Australia. And that one's off my 176 00:11:02,370 --> 00:11:06,840 radar screen. I don't know. I have obviously Wi Fi invented in 177 00:11:06,900 --> 00:11:10,500 off. I love the internet. Let's see. 178 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,490 I believe it was who invented? 179 00:11:15,540 --> 00:11:19,200 Oh, okay. Ars Technica says how the Aussie government invented 180 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:19,950 Wi Fi. 181 00:11:21,150 --> 00:11:26,250 Hmm. Was that like their version of DARPA or something? Let me 182 00:11:26,250 --> 00:11:31,860 see. Wi Fi technology. Yeah, was the Australian scientists from 183 00:11:31,860 --> 00:11:34,440 the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research 184 00:11:34,470 --> 00:11:35,460 Organization? 185 00:11:36,630 --> 00:11:40,260 Who created the standard and I think was parrot was the 186 00:11:40,260 --> 00:11:42,810 company. Parrot. Okay. Anyway. 187 00:11:44,190 --> 00:11:47,250 So now I see this umbrella. I'm like, Holy shit, this is it. 188 00:11:47,250 --> 00:11:50,610 It's got apps, it's got an app store makes total sense in the 189 00:11:50,610 --> 00:11:53,700 in the context of today's computing systems that people 190 00:11:53,700 --> 00:11:57,390 understand. And I had already tried to load this earlier I 191 00:11:57,390 --> 00:12:01,170 had, I have a Surface Pro six, I bought one off of Amazon for 192 00:12:01,170 --> 00:12:06,480 about 500 bucks, brand new. two terabyte SSD external drive, 193 00:12:06,510 --> 00:12:11,340 jacking through USB 2.0 Just give you all the specs. And I 194 00:12:11,340 --> 00:12:14,340 had loaded Linux Mint on it initially because I was going to 195 00:12:14,340 --> 00:12:16,650 use it for something else and then I'll just do this Umbral. 196 00:12:16,980 --> 00:12:22,680 So I ran there handy dandy start script. And it never came up and 197 00:12:22,680 --> 00:12:25,590 it was just waiting. And then I could see in the log file that 198 00:12:25,590 --> 00:12:28,440 all this Docker stuff was messed up. And so clearly, it wasn't 199 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:32,220 meant for a Linux Mint, even though they say it was. So I 200 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:38,520 flashed out the OS put on pure Ubuntu fired it up thing work 201 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:43,350 right away chain downloaded and synced with about 26 hours that 202 00:12:43,350 --> 00:12:46,500 was faster than I thought it would be dead is really fast. 203 00:12:46,530 --> 00:12:49,350 Yeah, well, I just part of it, of course, is the processor and 204 00:12:49,350 --> 00:12:51,870 I have about 350 megabits download 205 00:12:52,890 --> 00:12:54,960 at the house on the cable modem. So that's pretty good. 206 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,050 I mean, that's still pretty quick. And man took 207 00:12:59,430 --> 00:13:05,340 nearly 72 hours. I'm at like, 250 Hmm. In the year that was 208 00:13:05,340 --> 00:13:08,880 smoking fast. Mm hmm. And you know, and it's important, 209 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,040 because you're not just downloading, you're verifying 210 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,980 every single block. And I like how it shows you that which is 211 00:13:13,980 --> 00:13:16,950 kind of cool. Well, that's the difference between a Raspberry 212 00:13:16,950 --> 00:13:21,300 Pi and an actual computer. Yes. That extra process right there. 213 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,510 That right makes a huge difference. Yeah. And you know, 214 00:13:24,510 --> 00:13:27,090 so I've loaded it up and you know, it works right out of the 215 00:13:27,090 --> 00:13:30,960 box. The tour is is set up, it's easy to understand now there is 216 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:32,370 an issue that I have because I 217 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,010 I rebooted the box. 218 00:13:37,020 --> 00:13:40,410 And I want to eventually put it into my I have a server rack 219 00:13:40,410 --> 00:13:43,020 here. I'll just put it in there. That's fine. I don't need to 220 00:13:43,020 --> 00:13:46,620 access it. But I rebooted the server racks I do it came with a 221 00:13:46,620 --> 00:13:49,470 house I have a house with a server rack is sexy 19 inch 222 00:13:49,500 --> 00:13:50,190 cabinet. 223 00:13:53,370 --> 00:13:57,030 And so it comes back up but but the Umbral doesn't come back up, 224 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:02,100 and and I see that you know, the external drive mounts at slash 225 00:14:02,100 --> 00:14:07,590 media slash atom slash e x t is what I named it. Okay, and when 226 00:14:07,590 --> 00:14:11,280 I rebooted it, nothing worked. It comes back up and now I have 227 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:16,080 two drives in slash media slash atom. One is e x t and one is e 228 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:20,460 x t one. And it looks like one is referencing the other because 229 00:14:20,460 --> 00:14:24,930 it's clearly not two separate drives. But then I had to change 230 00:14:24,930 --> 00:14:29,760 directory into the e x t one drive and then right and then 231 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,790 one of our I forget who it was in podcasting. social gaming is 232 00:14:32,790 --> 00:14:37,080 like, command, you know, very dangerous like hey, pseudo this 233 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:41,670 motherfucker, okay, sure, I'll do that. RM dash RF. 234 00:14:43,260 --> 00:14:46,740 I like pseudo, you know, purge doc or something, whatever. And 235 00:14:46,740 --> 00:14:51,300 then, and so and then the second command I ran and then it just 236 00:14:51,300 --> 00:14:53,970 downloaded a whole bunch of Dockers again and the whole 237 00:14:54,090 --> 00:14:57,840 thing came back up so it worked perfectly. I'm afraid to reboot 238 00:14:57,840 --> 00:14:59,940 it because I'm sure I'm going to get e x t two 239 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,360 I just don't know why it does that. That part I don't 240 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,660 understand. I wonder if that's some sort of weird side effect 241 00:15:06,660 --> 00:15:10,710 of the way the Surface Pro is. I wonder if that's if it's even 242 00:15:10,710 --> 00:15:13,770 some new I wonder if it's presenting the hardware? Oh, 243 00:15:13,770 --> 00:15:17,220 that's in a weird way. And that's typical. Wouldn't it make 244 00:15:17,220 --> 00:15:20,760 sense for Microsoft do some stupid like that? Oh, guess 245 00:15:20,790 --> 00:15:26,760 Yeah. Okay, so, so we just won't reboot it. But for now ever, but 246 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:30,450 I love it. I love how the apps work and how the install and 247 00:15:30,450 --> 00:15:35,340 everything just works and I'm so impressed with it. And in my 248 00:15:35,340 --> 00:15:38,760 mind, you know, I ordered the their actual Umbral box, the 249 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,000 hardware, which that's the one I want the server rack because 250 00:15:42,030 --> 00:15:46,110 that, you know, it look cool. And I don't know, right? Yeah, I 251 00:15:46,110 --> 00:15:49,080 mean, like, it's on its way. Okay. Well, it's like 30 Days 252 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,690 After we receive your order, blah, blah, blah. I mean, 253 00:15:51,690 --> 00:15:55,230 there's no scale to this. Okay, I got the orange one is like, 254 00:15:55,260 --> 00:15:57,570 you know, it's not a color I like but what the hell, you 255 00:15:57,570 --> 00:15:59,700 know, it's kind of a collector's item. 256 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:06,690 But I see this and I think yeah, this is this is why the path is 257 00:16:06,690 --> 00:16:10,860 so clear. We'll Yeah, we're going to be spinning up wallets 258 00:16:10,860 --> 00:16:11,340 for 259 00:16:12,510 --> 00:16:15,540 for podcasters. For podcast apps, you know, whatever the 260 00:16:15,540 --> 00:16:18,300 hell we're going to be spinning up. But this is all transitory 261 00:16:18,300 --> 00:16:23,070 because the people that have success and see it, you want 262 00:16:23,070 --> 00:16:27,690 this shit at home. You just want it in and it's not like you have 263 00:16:27,690 --> 00:16:32,640 to and God thank God for tour. Get just don't have to worry 264 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:38,520 about the shit. It's like plug it in. Give it your password. 265 00:16:38,820 --> 00:16:42,150 And the interface is simple to understand. And then and here's 266 00:16:42,150 --> 00:16:47,370 your toured address. It's so beautiful. The only thing I love 267 00:16:47,370 --> 00:16:52,260 tour I love what it does. I love the you know, the zero config 268 00:16:52,260 --> 00:16:55,920 part of it. The only bad thing the only downside of tours, it's 269 00:16:55,920 --> 00:17:00,330 slow. And you can start super slow. Yeah, the payments Yeah. 270 00:17:00,630 --> 00:17:05,010 Oh, yeah. Oh, absolutely. Payments take 45 seconds 271 00:17:05,010 --> 00:17:08,190 sometimes. Yeah. Yeah, to settle. Yeah, that's true. 272 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,830 That's true. But I've already switched Tor addresses and that 273 00:17:10,830 --> 00:17:14,460 one really fast that propagated through the graph in no time. 274 00:17:14,910 --> 00:17:17,640 Tell me how you did that because I need to do that I did that I 275 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,970 did that by rebooting the box and then having to start it from 276 00:17:20,970 --> 00:17:25,380 the second hard drive and I got all the addresses. I see. I wish 277 00:17:25,380 --> 00:17:27,690 I knew I need I need to give myself a new tour address 278 00:17:27,690 --> 00:17:30,240 because I think there's a propagation issue with with my 279 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:34,800 Home Node the one on podcasting from right now. And but I don't 280 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,370 know how to do it and I just like Graham had to do it one 281 00:17:38,370 --> 00:17:41,760 time for somebody I forgot who it was and he he's able to go in 282 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,670 there and do some sort of thing to give it to let it get a new 283 00:17:44,670 --> 00:17:48,270 tour address additional I don't know just just install it on the 284 00:17:48,270 --> 00:17:52,590 Surface Pro six and you're good to go reboot and reboot. You get 285 00:17:52,590 --> 00:17:55,860 yourself a new tour dress. And I was worried about it. I'm like 286 00:17:55,890 --> 00:17:59,070 oh fuck now I have a new tour dress and this is gonna suck but 287 00:17:59,070 --> 00:18:03,150 now within you know boop boop boop boop just start started 288 00:18:03,150 --> 00:18:05,760 dripping in and now the thing is screaming because I hooked it up 289 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:09,420 to with Adam curry which I want to say was another interesting 290 00:18:09,420 --> 00:18:14,790 experience. Now this was a podcasting 1.0 feed that had 291 00:18:14,790 --> 00:18:19,020 just come through like did the when we reset or refresh the 292 00:18:19,020 --> 00:18:21,780 feed this morning. Is that all settled now? Yeah, everything's 293 00:18:21,780 --> 00:18:23,130 fixed. Okay. 294 00:18:24,630 --> 00:18:28,980 So I didn't add this is a feed that I had last time as I said I 295 00:18:28,980 --> 00:18:30,030 created was in 296 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:36,570 the first quarter of 2020 and on the freedom controller and so I 297 00:18:36,570 --> 00:18:39,840 wouldn't I'd have to go and really dig to find where this 298 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:43,470 feed page was maybe have a bookmark whatever. And here's 299 00:18:43,470 --> 00:18:47,220 the here's the experience I had I fire up curio caster I flip 300 00:18:47,220 --> 00:18:52,410 into RSS Jenny mode. I search for with Adam curry pops up, 301 00:18:52,410 --> 00:18:57,030 click boom, like, Oh, hell yeah, good to go. I do the new 302 00:18:57,030 --> 00:19:01,860 episode, throw a bucket thing in there, I add person tags, I add 303 00:19:01,860 --> 00:19:05,790 the whole thing the captions now, like, I wasn't able to add 304 00:19:05,790 --> 00:19:08,820 chapters yet because I don't have an entry for this podcast 305 00:19:08,820 --> 00:19:09,840 in hyper capture. 306 00:19:11,580 --> 00:19:15,150 So we'll see, Dread was going to think about maybe doing an 307 00:19:15,150 --> 00:19:18,690 external file with a different a different generator, and we'll 308 00:19:18,690 --> 00:19:23,670 see where that goes. And I hit create. And as you know, this 309 00:19:23,670 --> 00:19:27,030 thing passes everything through. But what it didn't do is it 310 00:19:27,030 --> 00:19:30,000 didn't pass through the namespace declaration at the top 311 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,780 because it does not in there. And it doesn't check because 312 00:19:33,780 --> 00:19:36,960 this is the this is actually a marketing thing. Once the Steven 313 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,590 B gets it fixed, it's like upgrade your feed. I mean, now 314 00:19:40,590 --> 00:19:43,890 that was exciting. It was it because you know, it felt like 315 00:19:43,890 --> 00:19:46,710 an upgrade. Now I had to go in and add the namespace 316 00:19:46,710 --> 00:19:51,540 declaration by hand. But then, of course I fucked up my entries 317 00:19:51,540 --> 00:19:56,070 and then after I published like, Oh, this is no good. And it was 318 00:19:56,070 --> 00:19:59,070 in the index. I just pop open curio caster and it brings it 319 00:19:59,070 --> 00:19:59,970 all in and with 320 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:06,090 With all the tags in place, and it including the the namespace, 321 00:20:06,090 --> 00:20:09,270 so just pass it through as a total upgrade. And despite that, 322 00:20:09,270 --> 00:20:12,510 I messed it up and you had to reset the index. It was 323 00:20:12,510 --> 00:20:16,260 flawless. It was really flawless and right away and I added 324 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,740 drabbit in there and of course, curio caster to the value split. 325 00:20:20,070 --> 00:20:24,960 And the Umbral as the main note is just an I've got thunder hub 326 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,710 and it's on continuous refresh. It's I mean, I don't even want 327 00:20:28,710 --> 00:20:31,290 to leave the studio. I just want to sit here all day, and just 328 00:20:31,290 --> 00:20:31,830 watch it. 329 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,750 So, the thing about Umbral though is it does not show you 330 00:20:36,750 --> 00:20:42,000 by default. Kison. totally lame. Now I understand. 331 00:20:43,050 --> 00:20:47,850 Because I Bret Weinstein texted me. Uh huh. I think I shared 332 00:20:47,850 --> 00:20:51,330 this with you. And any and I said, Hey, you still receive and 333 00:20:51,330 --> 00:20:56,010 Satoshi said Yeah, I don't quite understand why. Like, okay, are 334 00:20:56,010 --> 00:20:59,250 how it works. And then having the Umbral I realized, Oh, of 335 00:20:59,250 --> 00:21:02,790 course, he's just seeing the number going up. He doesn't see 336 00:21:02,790 --> 00:21:05,550 those NC transact, he doesn't see the transactions. Oh, man, 337 00:21:05,550 --> 00:21:09,300 you got to open up thunder hub. So I don't know if he's done 338 00:21:09,300 --> 00:21:13,020 that yet. Is for for an intellectual academic. He's 339 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:20,220 what's the word I'm looking for? Um, yes. Not interested in deep 340 00:21:20,220 --> 00:21:23,040 in digging, it seems like he's, I've sent him all the links, you 341 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:27,450 know, the value for value.io? I've seen I've seen video, you 342 00:21:27,450 --> 00:21:31,500 know, he's just like, Yeah, okay. I guess, is great, I 343 00:21:31,500 --> 00:21:32,250 guess. 344 00:21:34,260 --> 00:21:38,700 Yes. So that's, that's, that's coming. You know, we're, I'm 345 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,300 building that thing that will let you have the app to put on 346 00:21:42,300 --> 00:21:45,600 there. That'll show you all this transaction data, the love it 347 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,970 that it'll bait not just booster grants, but it'll show 348 00:21:47,970 --> 00:21:48,570 everything. 349 00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:52,170 Initially, it will, it will show 350 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:54,450 just booster grams. 351 00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:57,840 I just because I want to get something out there as fast as I 352 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,530 can. Yeah. And I don't want to have to dip what slows you down 353 00:22:01,530 --> 00:22:03,150 or what slows me down. 354 00:22:04,890 --> 00:22:06,210 Things like this is 355 00:22:07,620 --> 00:22:11,310 trend trying to figure out how the UI gets laid out. And I 356 00:22:11,310 --> 00:22:14,520 already have a decent understanding a decent UI for 357 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,280 just showing a stream of things coming in. But 358 00:22:18,330 --> 00:22:21,540 if you just show a stream of incoming, 359 00:22:22,620 --> 00:22:26,400 like per minute transactions, then your booster grams roll 360 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,460 off, and you don't see those and those need to be sort of fronts. 361 00:22:29,460 --> 00:22:34,020 And yes, this is an issue. This is yes, absolutely. So I'm 362 00:22:34,020 --> 00:22:37,020 thinking that, you know, initially, it'll just is just 363 00:22:37,020 --> 00:22:41,850 booster grams, or not booster grams, but just boosts those 364 00:22:41,850 --> 00:22:47,100 period with a messenger without, okay, boost. And then And then 365 00:22:47,370 --> 00:22:51,570 step two is add in full transaction data, we'll do it on 366 00:22:51,570 --> 00:22:55,860 a set. Like, we need to tweak the UI where it kind of shows up 367 00:22:55,860 --> 00:22:58,860 and maybe two columns, you got boosts on one side streams on 368 00:22:58,860 --> 00:23:02,610 the other or something? I don't know. But yeah, but definitely, 369 00:23:02,610 --> 00:23:06,150 this is what this is. That's what I've been fighting all week 370 00:23:06,150 --> 00:23:10,380 is trying to get this is specifically this thing is 371 00:23:10,380 --> 00:23:15,210 trying to get that incoming JSON data data. This is where the 372 00:23:15,210 --> 00:23:19,140 JSON hate came from. Okay, well, okay, so 373 00:23:21,390 --> 00:23:25,290 have we heard from Daniel J. Lewis recently? Or is he in the 374 00:23:25,290 --> 00:23:27,150 corner? whimpering? 375 00:23:30,180 --> 00:23:36,210 J. Daniel JSON Lewis is alive and well. I saw him I thought it 376 00:23:36,210 --> 00:23:37,860 was dead came back yesterday. 377 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:45,240 So I apologize in advance, but this. So the way this the way 378 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,480 that things work, or if it and we may, you know, we may just 379 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,840 need to spend a moment. Actually, let's do this. This 380 00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:58,860 because somebody had a question on the podcast index, Telegram 381 00:23:58,860 --> 00:24:01,680 channel, which I hire rarely ever, like, Oh, God, I hate 382 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,240 telegram. But yeah, me too. 383 00:24:04,530 --> 00:24:06,450 But they just had a question. They said, 384 00:24:07,770 --> 00:24:10,920 can I tell who paid me? No, it was on the so Satoshi stream 385 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,080 channel. He said, can I tell who paid me? 386 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,680 I mean, the answer is no. Like, by default, the answer is you 387 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,940 cannot see in and I'll just if anybody's listening to this 388 00:24:23,940 --> 00:24:27,120 doesn't understand the whole what's going on behind the 389 00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:30,330 scenes of when you get payments and through lightning. 390 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,160 Hears here's here's the Lightning Network is a layer on 391 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,750 top of Bitcoin, where people voluntarily open up channels 392 00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:42,480 from each from their lightning nodes to other lightning nodes. 393 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:47,370 So it's a big web, this big, spider's web of connections 394 00:24:47,370 --> 00:24:53,160 between individual Bitcoin nodes and which by the way, you can 395 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,250 see it go podcasting.org. Org. 396 00:24:57,510 --> 00:24:59,970 Have You Ever Have you ever looked at that go podcasting.org 397 00:25:01,199 --> 00:25:04,109 I'm looking at casting without a word. 398 00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:10,530 Oh, yeah, this is the lightened. Yeah. This is Marnix is yeah, 399 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,520 this is this. Yeah, this is the the podcast had lightning 400 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,310 connections, which is a beautiful graph to see. 401 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:23,910 Yes, that the way that works. Look at that chart. And then you 402 00:25:23,910 --> 00:25:28,920 can see, it is a huge web of interconnected nodes. And so if 403 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,900 I'm going to pay you 404 00:25:32,610 --> 00:25:36,210 let's just say if I'm going to give you a boost of 2500 SATs, 405 00:25:37,470 --> 00:25:41,430 my lightning node in order to get that my lightning no which 406 00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:45,180 may be an app, let's just say it's as pod friend. If I boost 407 00:25:45,180 --> 00:25:50,430 you on pod friend, pod friend uses ln pay as its wallet post. 408 00:25:50,940 --> 00:25:57,480 And so Ellen pays lightning node has to find a route from itself 409 00:25:58,020 --> 00:26:00,720 to whatever your note is. So let's just say that that's Brett 410 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:05,970 Weinstein's node. So it may have to go through three or four 411 00:26:05,970 --> 00:26:11,580 different hops to get to Weinstein's node from from pod 412 00:26:11,580 --> 00:26:16,470 friend. So that means that I'm just trying to simplify this for 413 00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:19,200 a second, simplify the terminology a little bit. That 414 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:24,450 means that Ellen pay has to make, essentially a transaction 415 00:26:24,780 --> 00:26:30,780 with each ledger transaction with each intermediary node, 416 00:26:31,170 --> 00:26:35,520 because LNP may not have a direct direct connection to 417 00:26:35,550 --> 00:26:38,670 Brett Weinstein, but it may have a direct connection to somebody 418 00:26:38,670 --> 00:26:41,310 else who has a direct connection to somebody else who does. So 419 00:26:41,310 --> 00:26:42,930 it's like six degrees of Kevin Bacon. 420 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,550 I'm one I'm one degree, by the way, direct from Kevin Bacon. 421 00:26:48,660 --> 00:26:50,970 Okay, does he have a lightning node? He will. 422 00:26:52,830 --> 00:26:59,550 I'm sure he has a podcast cuz everybody does. So if you're for 423 00:26:59,940 --> 00:27:05,730 pops or for connections away from Weinstein, then your node 424 00:27:05,730 --> 00:27:09,420 does a deal with this with node number number two, which does a 425 00:27:09,420 --> 00:27:11,340 deal with node number three, which it does a deal with 426 00:27:11,340 --> 00:27:14,790 Weinstein's node. And that's how you get that payment. It's sort 427 00:27:14,790 --> 00:27:16,860 of like it's a really, it's a payment relay network. 428 00:27:18,780 --> 00:27:19,320 And 429 00:27:20,370 --> 00:27:23,550 one of the things that happens is, it uses 430 00:27:25,170 --> 00:27:29,730 the onion strategy. So it read, it takes this payment that 431 00:27:29,730 --> 00:27:32,970 you're about to send this boost of 2500 SATs, it takes that 432 00:27:32,970 --> 00:27:33,480 payment 433 00:27:34,890 --> 00:27:40,800 makes it wraps it in three layers. And each successive 434 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,370 layer gets peeled off. And these are this is encryption, wraps it 435 00:27:44,370 --> 00:27:46,770 in three layers of encryption as each successive layer gets 436 00:27:46,770 --> 00:27:49,170 peeled off as you as you go through the chain. 437 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:55,230 So that each person in between, so that would be nodes, three 438 00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:59,250 nodes two and three, the in between nodes that are relaying 439 00:27:59,250 --> 00:28:02,520 the payment, they don't know where it came from, or where 440 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:07,440 it's going. So this is all completely anonymous encrypted 441 00:28:07,620 --> 00:28:09,900 traffic that's happening across the network. 442 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,880 So you can't tell by the time that payment gets to you, you 443 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:19,290 don't see how that how it even got to you. And there's no 444 00:28:19,290 --> 00:28:22,110 identifying information other than except what might be in the 445 00:28:22,110 --> 00:28:25,680 TLV records that the opposite, right? Yeah. Right. So all 446 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,850 you're gonna see is, is a pre image, which is just a long hash 447 00:28:29,850 --> 00:28:32,520 value that doesn't really do you any good. It's just a payment 448 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:33,180 identifier. 449 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:39,330 So exactly what you said, the only way to know who sent you is 450 00:28:39,330 --> 00:28:45,960 if they voluntarily disclose it, in the T O V record of in that 451 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:50,550 gets included with the lightning payment. So the T O V record is 452 00:28:50,550 --> 00:28:51,780 just a hex encoded 453 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,270 batch of JSON. 454 00:28:55,770 --> 00:29:00,900 And the JSON data gets hex encoded and put into the payment 455 00:29:01,140 --> 00:29:02,910 and then decoded on the other end. 456 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:09,300 So going back to the example of Weinstein's node, if he if he's 457 00:29:09,300 --> 00:29:13,680 getting these payments, is Umbral doesn't know anything 458 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:18,210 about this TLV record that podcasting uses right? And so it 459 00:29:18,210 --> 00:29:22,170 doesn't understand how to that is even supposed to be decoding 460 00:29:22,170 --> 00:29:25,920 any of this stuff. So that's where the booster gram app comes 461 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:31,230 in. And the confusion is because there and kind of the genesis of 462 00:29:31,470 --> 00:29:36,900 the booster gram is the WhatsApp usage of the TLV record. And 463 00:29:36,900 --> 00:29:41,340 that's what you see in Thunder hub on the chat page. And I 464 00:29:41,340 --> 00:29:43,770 think that's why it's confusing because if someone sends me a 465 00:29:43,770 --> 00:29:48,870 chat to my node directly, it'll show up in my transaction log as 466 00:29:48,900 --> 00:29:53,280 a with a little, a little icon saying, Hey, this is a chat 467 00:29:53,340 --> 00:29:56,730 transaction, you click it and you can read it. Base this exact 468 00:29:56,730 --> 00:29:59,850 same technology, same concept, but you know, 469 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,650 Show 2019. 470 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:08,340 Now, is that the same TLV that the Sphinx uses? Or did they 471 00:30:08,370 --> 00:30:09,810 come? They have their own thing? 472 00:30:11,490 --> 00:30:19,050 Wow. I don't know. Okay, but I'm gonna say probably because I 473 00:30:19,050 --> 00:30:21,660 think they're the ones that turned us on to the whole 474 00:30:21,690 --> 00:30:27,810 concept. thing. So yeah. Okay, so where's Paulie? Enjoy, man 475 00:30:27,810 --> 00:30:32,430 call me? Oh, yeah, when I talked to him a while back, we need to 476 00:30:32,430 --> 00:30:34,710 get him back on the show, just get an update, find out what's 477 00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:35,820 going on. Yeah. 478 00:30:37,050 --> 00:30:40,590 But if you so you've got this, you've got this JSON data. 479 00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:46,530 That's possibly. And that's the key word, all of this is maybe 480 00:30:47,130 --> 00:30:51,390 in the boost payment, you can send a boost, you know, a boost, 481 00:30:51,390 --> 00:30:53,820 it's just a payment, you don't you could not include any TLV at 482 00:30:53,820 --> 00:31:02,250 all. Or you can include a JSON block that has four of the 483 00:31:02,250 --> 00:31:10,500 fields out of the out of the 12. Or maybe this JSON block, as 484 00:31:12,510 --> 00:31:15,660 it has amounts, like the number of sets, maybe that hasn't, 485 00:31:15,780 --> 00:31:18,900 maybe it has them in there as strings and not numbers. 486 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,770 I've seen this, I've seen this chatter, hey, yeah, you're 487 00:31:22,770 --> 00:31:24,360 sending me integers idiot. 488 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:30,600 So that's, this is where you get into, into the wild west have 489 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,700 schema lists, schema lists, JSON 490 00:31:34,380 --> 00:31:37,020 can be infuriating when you're trying to 491 00:31:38,250 --> 00:31:41,910 it well, to get back and fill this out for a second. This JSON 492 00:31:41,910 --> 00:31:45,660 data has has possibly any a lots of different things in it. So it 493 00:31:45,660 --> 00:31:48,960 could be the name of the sender, the name of the app, the version 494 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,100 of the app to send it a message, which is the booster gram, the 495 00:31:53,100 --> 00:31:57,660 number of SATs before routing fees, the number of SATs post 496 00:31:57,660 --> 00:32:02,160 routing fees, the timestamp of the of the episode, the name of 497 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,340 the episode, the name of the podcast, all that metadata is 498 00:32:05,700 --> 00:32:09,150 are in these fields have this JSON block within within the 499 00:32:09,660 --> 00:32:10,950 within the TLV record? 500 00:32:11,970 --> 00:32:16,050 Well, so what what I'm trying to do 501 00:32:17,250 --> 00:32:20,550 is build this, this app that will show you these incoming 502 00:32:20,550 --> 00:32:25,080 payments with all this data in it, because that's awesome. Yes. 503 00:32:25,260 --> 00:32:28,980 There's no other reason. It's awesome. Yeah, that's the only 504 00:32:28,980 --> 00:32:33,120 reason. And so here's here's what you're doing is you're 505 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,760 going from is this is a fundamental problem here, 506 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,120 because you're going from a, a 507 00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:45,540 loosely typed language like JavaScript, which is what JSON 508 00:32:45,540 --> 00:32:52,440 is, you're going from a loosely typed data into a strongly typed 509 00:32:53,940 --> 00:32:56,310 structure within within rust. 510 00:32:57,690 --> 00:33:03,330 And Rust has fantastic JSON parsing library called cert CRD. 511 00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:07,710 I've heard people call assert it's s er D. But I'm going to 512 00:33:07,710 --> 00:33:11,160 call it serious because I think it's serial only. The French 513 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:12,300 would say, rude. 514 00:33:14,820 --> 00:33:18,300 And it's fantastic. It works. It works awesome. 515 00:33:20,190 --> 00:33:23,280 Except if you want to do this specific thing that I want to 516 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,180 do, it's not so awesome. Well, it's still awesome. It's just 517 00:33:27,180 --> 00:33:30,060 awesome in a way that is almost completely incomprehensible to 518 00:33:30,060 --> 00:33:36,540 humans. So what what you have is a situation where you have, I'm 519 00:33:36,540 --> 00:33:39,810 getting a data, a data block of, I'm getting a blob of JSON, 520 00:33:40,740 --> 00:33:43,770 which is just a bunch of properties, with values. 521 00:33:45,570 --> 00:33:49,800 And I know what it if somebody sent the whole thing, let's just 522 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:55,560 say that an app sends you all 12 fields of information in there 523 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,250 perfect. And they're all typed correctly. They're all the 524 00:33:59,250 --> 00:34:01,800 strings are strings, the numbers are numbers, blah, blah, blah. 525 00:34:02,460 --> 00:34:05,850 If somebody sends it that way, what you can do is you can 526 00:34:06,060 --> 00:34:11,220 insert in city, you can say, here's a structure, here's 527 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:16,140 here's a struct. In this fields, supposed to be a unsigned 64 bit 528 00:34:16,140 --> 00:34:19,680 integer, this field supposed to be a string, this field is 529 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,700 supposed to be a signed 32 bit integer, blah, blah, blah, all 530 00:34:23,700 --> 00:34:26,880 that is specified in the TLV record specification. 531 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:32,610 If you're trying to do that, in Everything's perfect. It works 532 00:34:32,610 --> 00:34:35,370 great. It just flows right into your into your data up into your 533 00:34:35,370 --> 00:34:39,480 object into your structure in rust. You can take that, build a 534 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,080 new record off of it, stick it in the database. However, 535 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:44,580 however, 536 00:34:45,780 --> 00:34:49,980 if it's not perfect, it breaks and you have three rec let's 537 00:34:49,980 --> 00:34:54,390 just say you have three of those fields missing. Now, city is 538 00:34:54,390 --> 00:34:58,110 going to complain and say that it's going to try to translate 539 00:34:58,740 --> 00:35:00,000 this J 540 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:06,180 On block into the equivalent rest structure is putting the 541 00:35:06,180 --> 00:35:10,110 wrong nails. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So but that's, that's okay. 542 00:35:10,380 --> 00:35:13,950 That's okay. Because there is there is a facility for that. 543 00:35:14,700 --> 00:35:18,360 And as you define your structure your your structure fields as 544 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,440 what are called optionals. So this is if anybody is familiar 545 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,650 with modern strongly typed languages like Swift or rust, 546 00:35:26,460 --> 00:35:32,160 this optionals are, are the new hotness is the way it's the way 547 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,580 to go, they're great. That means instead of having something like 548 00:35:35,610 --> 00:35:36,390 no, 549 00:35:37,530 --> 00:35:44,280 or nil, you have a, you have a structure called an optional 550 00:35:44,970 --> 00:35:50,070 that has within it, it can, it has two possible values, like 551 00:35:50,070 --> 00:35:54,000 some or none. So what you can do is you can just return that 552 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,280 optional. If you call a function, the function can 553 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:57,540 return that optional and say, 554 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:03,390 and it really returns one or the other, or none. And you can key 555 00:36:03,390 --> 00:36:06,660 off that. And rather than having to interpret what this one 556 00:36:06,660 --> 00:36:11,310 single value, like no means like, Okay, I don't know. So you 557 00:36:11,310 --> 00:36:14,460 can, that's, that's the new way to do it. So what you can, what 558 00:36:14,460 --> 00:36:17,040 you can do in Rust is you can say, okay, all of these fields 559 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,730 are optional. And these may may be there, they may not. And 560 00:36:20,940 --> 00:36:25,080 Saturday works great. It just says, Okay, that's awesome. Now 561 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,560 you get back, instead of getting back a structure with numbers 562 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,020 and strings, you get back a structure that has 563 00:36:32,490 --> 00:36:35,160 an extra layer in it that had were some all the fields are 564 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,860 either some or none. And if there's some they have your data 565 00:36:37,860 --> 00:36:42,660 in it, if they're none, you just ignore it. Perfect. Just what 566 00:36:42,660 --> 00:36:45,300 you want. However, however, 567 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,410 combining that idea, 568 00:36:50,460 --> 00:36:54,060 also with the ability to interpret whether this whether 569 00:36:54,060 --> 00:36:58,020 the field is correct or not. So now you have two problems, you 570 00:36:58,020 --> 00:37:00,480 have the ability to solve the problem of whether the fields 571 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,800 are missing. Now you have to go another step and say, Okay, if 572 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:05,880 they're there? 573 00:37:06,990 --> 00:37:10,680 Are they the right type? Did somebody put a number in here as 574 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,110 a number? Or did they put a number in quotes where it's a 575 00:37:13,110 --> 00:37:14,370 number in a string. 576 00:37:15,450 --> 00:37:19,170 And that's the part that is the step that's killing me right 577 00:37:19,170 --> 00:37:23,910 now. Because in order to do that, you have to write a custom 578 00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:25,110 D serializer. 579 00:37:26,340 --> 00:37:30,600 And I will send, I will personally send drips got 580 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:36,360 a picture of what a D, C or D D serializer font helper function 581 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:37,890 looks like. It's called a visitor. 582 00:37:38,910 --> 00:37:40,410 It will make your eyes cross 583 00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:47,040 it is the most it is not for the faint of heart. And I got I got 584 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,010 halfway through this last night. And I was like, no, no, I can't 585 00:37:50,010 --> 00:37:55,350 do this. I can do tune in next week to coding with Dave, where 586 00:37:55,350 --> 00:37:57,900 we'll learn how to set up my sequel. 587 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,280 Yes, next week table schemas. 588 00:38:04,020 --> 00:38:07,140 I understand the issue. I got I got the thank you for that 589 00:38:07,140 --> 00:38:11,250 explanation. It was it was enlightening. And you know 590 00:38:11,250 --> 00:38:12,030 what's gonna happen? 591 00:38:13,890 --> 00:38:15,570 Alex gates is gonna say I'll 592 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:17,280 do it. 593 00:38:18,660 --> 00:38:22,980 No, no, if if somebody will do this, if somebody will write me 594 00:38:22,980 --> 00:38:26,610 this, I will pay you many, many SATs. 595 00:38:28,020 --> 00:38:32,070 I am well, I'm willing to pay somebody to walk me through like 596 00:38:32,070 --> 00:38:36,030 I'm a child on how to do this. Because I can get I can get 597 00:38:36,030 --> 00:38:39,000 either one of these to work, but I can not get the combination of 598 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:43,110 both of them to work. And I'm I'm almost at the point of 599 00:38:43,110 --> 00:38:47,730 bailing out and just doing this the old horrible way, which is 600 00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:52,410 loop through, which is put them all in just generic values and 601 00:38:52,410 --> 00:38:54,150 loop through them all and just move them into 602 00:38:56,490 --> 00:38:59,790 that was that's the Adam curry AppleScript method. Yeah, that's 603 00:38:59,790 --> 00:39:03,660 what I don't want to do. Oh, okay. I want to be a responsible 604 00:39:03,660 --> 00:39:06,180 programmer. And Bill, you know, I'm like, if I can just get this 605 00:39:06,180 --> 00:39:08,970 to work, it's gonna I can I can have this boilerplate code for 606 00:39:08,970 --> 00:39:11,280 the rest of my life. I'm just, 607 00:39:12,330 --> 00:39:15,540 I'm grumpy. what's the, what's the process? I mean, I've read 608 00:39:15,540 --> 00:39:21,390 the, the GitHub entry for it, for getting this app into the 609 00:39:21,420 --> 00:39:24,480 Umbral App Store. Because it seems like they have to do some 610 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,140 stuff, they got to do something custom with a Docker dot, the 611 00:39:28,140 --> 00:39:32,340 ammo, and then they put it into the App Store. I mean, is do 612 00:39:32,340 --> 00:39:35,670 they look and see if your code is shit? If it's rogue or 613 00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:38,940 anything? Do you have any idea about that? Man, I got no clue. 614 00:39:39,330 --> 00:39:42,720 I know how to get it in the app store. And it's pretty easy. 615 00:39:42,900 --> 00:39:46,410 I've already Dockerized a version of it and it works fine. 616 00:39:46,410 --> 00:39:49,560 Can you do that outside of their app, their process or do you 617 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,410 have to submit it to them? That's the only way it goes out. 618 00:39:53,340 --> 00:39:58,530 I think if I'm not mistaken, I think it's all all based on poor 619 00:39:58,530 --> 00:39:59,970 request to there. 620 00:40:01,290 --> 00:40:02,460 to their onboard repo. 621 00:40:03,899 --> 00:40:08,609 And like that seems to be what their instructions say is that 622 00:40:08,639 --> 00:40:11,189 because what you do is you clone their you clone their source 623 00:40:11,189 --> 00:40:15,449 code repository. And then you put your app information in it. 624 00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:18,599 And it looks like you just submit a pull request back. And 625 00:40:18,599 --> 00:40:21,419 I guess they, they review it. Maybe they look at your code 626 00:40:21,419 --> 00:40:25,229 that way. It's an interesting way to do code review. Makes 627 00:40:25,229 --> 00:40:28,109 sense to me. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just wondering if there's an 628 00:40:28,109 --> 00:40:32,009 extra step, how long it'll take or if you can send that to me. I 629 00:40:32,009 --> 00:40:35,039 can install it outside of that's what I'm that's what I'm going 630 00:40:35,039 --> 00:40:38,729 for here. Dave, how do I get it before anybody else? You 631 00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:43,080 don't get the Cridland. Give it to me first. Damn it. 632 00:40:44,850 --> 00:40:47,580 You're gonna get it baby. But you have to reboot cuz then. 633 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,290 Yeah, there's great, new new tour dress, the whole thing 634 00:40:52,290 --> 00:40:56,850 comes crashing down. Hey, I'd go ahead and sorry. No, as you can 635 00:40:56,850 --> 00:41:00,390 see, I think I think that the way you do it is you're just, 636 00:41:00,750 --> 00:41:02,190 you're just building the Docker 637 00:41:03,660 --> 00:41:08,130 where they call it the Docker compose file on the Umbro repo. 638 00:41:08,490 --> 00:41:11,700 But the actual Docker image that you create with your app in it 639 00:41:11,730 --> 00:41:16,170 is actually stored on Docker hub. So I think what happens is 640 00:41:16,170 --> 00:41:19,830 when you just put your app reference into their repository, 641 00:41:20,340 --> 00:41:24,570 and then when they when when somebody installs, oh, okay, 642 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,540 they see the reference and they install it. What it does is just 643 00:41:27,540 --> 00:41:29,940 does a Docker poll in the background to pull everything 644 00:41:29,940 --> 00:41:32,520 down off the Docker Hub. Ah, okay. 645 00:41:33,540 --> 00:41:35,910 Now, whether there's any security involved in this or 646 00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:38,880 code checking, yeah, it's like, hey, click on this button. 647 00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:43,710 Great. Got two gods, they've got to do that. Which is part of the 648 00:41:43,710 --> 00:41:46,770 problem, of course, which is why I'm asking how do you get around 649 00:41:46,770 --> 00:41:50,160 it? The last thing we need is another apple, the apple of 650 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,830 Umbral we don't want that, by the way, congratulate I don't 651 00:41:52,830 --> 00:41:55,890 know who said it. I thought I heard the whole pod land 652 00:41:56,490 --> 00:42:00,660 podcast, but there was a chapter image or something popped up and 653 00:42:00,660 --> 00:42:01,020 it was 654 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,220 let me see. I want to read it. I don't want to get it wrong. It 655 00:42:05,220 --> 00:42:08,250 was really good. But anyway, the acronym was Sagwa. 656 00:42:10,380 --> 00:42:13,710 Is this on yesterday's potluck? I believe so. Yeah. I haven't 657 00:42:13,710 --> 00:42:15,840 finished it yet. I'm only halfway through. I may have 658 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,960 missed it. Yeah, let me see. So the the acronym that popped up 659 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:23,040 was saga, which is Spotify, Apple, Google Amazon. I love 660 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,170 that because that's our nemesis right there. 661 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:32,310 Oh, yeah. Call me in podcasting tube. Oh, it's actually the 662 00:42:32,610 --> 00:42:35,970 right on the title podcasting. 2.0 is all about an open 663 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:41,730 interoperable ecosystem of apps using RSS that create value not 664 00:42:41,730 --> 00:42:46,890 closed ecosystems from saga that pirate your podcasts? I don't 665 00:42:46,890 --> 00:42:50,640 know that but I bet that Sam says the thing that sounds like 666 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:55,140 a SAM thing. Well saga that was like It's like saying yeah, 667 00:42:55,140 --> 00:42:58,890 that's That's exactly it. Fang and saga and saga is good 668 00:42:58,890 --> 00:43:00,060 because it is a saga. 669 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:08,100 Um yeah, the and I saw Gosh Kyron McLarens great with the 670 00:43:08,130 --> 00:43:11,790 with the with the fucked up images. And he did the he did 671 00:43:11,790 --> 00:43:16,320 the one he's you know what I mean? Yes. And he did he did one 672 00:43:16,380 --> 00:43:18,750 you know the with the guy looking at the hot chick in the 673 00:43:18,750 --> 00:43:21,960 red dress or whatever. Yeah, that was fun. Yeah, it's like 674 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:27,300 this this part for did He create that for for fountain is? Yeah 675 00:43:27,300 --> 00:43:31,380 for promo was that was it? I don't know. Was it Oscar? That 676 00:43:31,380 --> 00:43:34,260 way? I guess it was must have been Oscar actually. Yeah. Yeah. 677 00:43:34,260 --> 00:43:36,120 I think there's a fountain promo. It could have been 678 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,480 awesome. Could have been Kyron. That made it. But Oscar did it. 679 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,210 Yeah, you're right. It was just hilarious. I thought that is too 680 00:43:42,210 --> 00:43:45,810 funny. And then a little, little apple and Spotify logo on the 681 00:43:45,810 --> 00:43:50,970 girlfriend was funny. So good. Hey, so how are we with with 682 00:43:50,970 --> 00:43:55,950 comments? Because, you know, we've this show has the social 683 00:43:55,950 --> 00:43:59,760 tag filled out. I've seen it enough now that I think I can do 684 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,960 it on my other podcast. I know the process. And I've been super 685 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,120 jacked to see it show up in pod friend. 686 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,000 So where's everybody? 687 00:44:10,020 --> 00:44:14,970 Work? So do you know exactly what's happening here? No, of 688 00:44:14,970 --> 00:44:17,880 course not. That's why I come to this meeting. 689 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,760 Why come to learn what the heck is going on? 690 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:22,620 So 691 00:44:24,210 --> 00:44:30,510 the so what we're doing is we're posting a I'm just making a post 692 00:44:30,540 --> 00:44:35,280 on the podcast index dot social, and then grabbing the entry 693 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:36,570 point for that activity pub 694 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:38,370 as 695 00:44:39,420 --> 00:44:41,880 a thread for that post post right. 696 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,260 And then we're putting we're plugging that into the social 697 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,770 tag social interact tag. Yes, I'm right. What it's doing right 698 00:44:49,770 --> 00:44:52,890 now is just pulling in from the API just pulling that shit in. 699 00:44:52,890 --> 00:44:56,850 There's no way to reply at etc. I'm just wondering. So what we 700 00:44:56,850 --> 00:44:59,970 need now is in pod friend away to 701 00:45:00,810 --> 00:45:01,500 I guess, 702 00:45:02,669 --> 00:45:07,139 reply post, and that would be partial, you need to sign up URL 703 00:45:07,139 --> 00:45:11,369 if, if someone doesn't already have an account. Yeah, so what 704 00:45:11,369 --> 00:45:17,999 you would need, you know, if if anybody has a federated activity 705 00:45:17,999 --> 00:45:19,919 pub instance of some sort 706 00:45:21,090 --> 00:45:26,880 Pleroma, Mastodon, I have several. Yeah, if you've already 707 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:27,870 got one of those, 708 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:33,150 you don't need to visit with me, you know, it's just you just 709 00:45:33,390 --> 00:45:37,110 post wherever you're at. And when you go, you know, click on 710 00:45:37,110 --> 00:45:40,050 that it'll, you know, hey, where's, you know, what, what's 711 00:45:40,050 --> 00:45:43,620 your home server so to speak, like, quote, unquote, and you 712 00:45:43,650 --> 00:45:47,850 log into your account your federated account, and just 713 00:45:47,850 --> 00:45:53,070 reply there, and it'll federate out. So I don't for at least for 714 00:45:53,070 --> 00:45:55,410 activity pub, for most instances, I don't think he 715 00:45:55,410 --> 00:46:00,090 would need anything special. I think the signup link would be 716 00:46:00,090 --> 00:46:04,080 good if somebody doesn't already have an activity pub based 717 00:46:04,470 --> 00:46:05,580 social media account. 718 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:11,490 And then that would just direct them to podcast index. But I'm 719 00:46:11,490 --> 00:46:14,040 not sure we want to do that necessarily. Get a bunch of 720 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:18,150 random, you know, posters in there. Maybe maybe a sign up 721 00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:21,330 could be like Master Nanda, social or some just kind of big 722 00:46:21,390 --> 00:46:27,210 insights like that. So is this just a matter of Martin adding 723 00:46:27,210 --> 00:46:32,400 those bits? I think so. Yeah, he just needs to add a UI to pull 724 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,930 in from to hook into whatever social signup is, or if there's 725 00:46:36,930 --> 00:46:41,850 no social signup link, maybe he could just have a default to a 726 00:46:41,850 --> 00:46:47,130 big a big X, AP based instance. And say, if you want to reply to 727 00:46:47,130 --> 00:46:50,520 this, go get yourself an account here. Now, Andy layman popped in 728 00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,580 this morning and said that he was interested in putting this 729 00:46:53,580 --> 00:46:58,380 into WordPress, so that there will be a WordPress based way to 730 00:46:59,010 --> 00:46:59,910 do this. 731 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,030 Yeah, which I think would be really cool. So I think we're 732 00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:04,680 gonna talk about that on the next day of meeting. 733 00:47:06,060 --> 00:47:10,770 It's it's there, it's just we have the interactivity. 734 00:47:12,210 --> 00:47:17,100 Needs to be needs to be there. Now. There's some is it cast 735 00:47:17,100 --> 00:47:21,120 upon? Yes, I think it's cast apod they already have a 736 00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:25,020 demonstration of the way this works. Uh huh. Um, 737 00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:28,800 I don't know if I can find it quickly. But 738 00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:34,830 if you go on there, cuz every cast upon instance, has is a 739 00:47:34,830 --> 00:47:38,760 fully functional act, activity pub server. So if you go on 740 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,660 there, and you want to reply, what it'll do is pop up a box, 741 00:47:42,750 --> 00:47:46,650 like a like a pop up window. Asking you to log into your to 742 00:47:46,650 --> 00:47:50,940 your Yes, yes. Yeah, I've seen it happen. Sure. Okay. Okay. And 743 00:47:50,940 --> 00:47:54,150 then that mean, that's the way to do it. So I really the way to 744 00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:58,800 do so I've had this, this very small Mastadon that I haven't 745 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,370 touched in fact, I just had to get the code from email. That's 746 00:48:02,370 --> 00:48:07,920 how long I hadn't hadn't logged in. And, and it's so beautiful 747 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,410 because I think this was set up before 748 00:48:11,730 --> 00:48:17,730 podcast index dot social is host Yeah, match dot host Exactly. 749 00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:22,170 And I just searched at Dave at podcast index dot social boom 750 00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:23,610 shows up right away. 751 00:48:25,020 --> 00:48:32,760 And from here, I'm going to follow your post the one that 752 00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,870 you made as the as the root node for this this episode, right? 753 00:48:37,470 --> 00:48:41,640 Oh, yeah. For 62 Yeah, so I can post I can post there. Oh, yeah. 754 00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,270 I just see. I see. You just popped up. popped up. It just 755 00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:48,090 popped up and said that Adam curry followed you. Oh, from 756 00:48:48,090 --> 00:48:51,570 that other How do you feel about that? I feel validated. 757 00:48:53,310 --> 00:48:57,390 What's interesting, though, is I Okay, I see it now. 758 00:48:59,070 --> 00:49:01,830 I see October 5. 759 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,630 Gosh, I don't have I don't have everything and it hasn't I guess 760 00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:09,990 it has to refresh or something. I don't know. Yeah, this says 761 00:49:10,020 --> 00:49:13,620 yeah, this says that you created this back in December of 2020. 762 00:49:13,650 --> 00:49:18,960 See now December 2020. Okay, weird has been around. That 763 00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,120 doesn't make sense. I thought it was earlier than that. Anyway, 764 00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:23,070 it doesn't matter. Okay, got it. So 765 00:49:24,090 --> 00:49:26,190 so now we need everyone else to jump on board. 766 00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,790 So that's it. There's nothing else needs to be done just 767 00:49:29,790 --> 00:49:33,810 implementing and getting it getting it on? Yeah, yeah, I 768 00:49:33,810 --> 00:49:37,020 mean, that's pretty much it and so that that's well that's for 769 00:49:37,020 --> 00:49:39,660 Mastodon or excuse me, not Massa, for that's for activity, 770 00:49:39,660 --> 00:49:43,920 bub pub based comments. And if somebody wanted to do something 771 00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,940 like Twitter based comments, they would just need to be an 772 00:49:47,940 --> 00:49:52,500 author to authorize. Yeah, it'd be a no off, you know, to a 773 00:49:52,500 --> 00:49:56,160 Twitter app and just that whole song and dance. But I mean, the 774 00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,860 linkage and everything is there. Okay. 775 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,690 It feels like everyone just hit a brick wall and stopped. 776 00:50:04,740 --> 00:50:05,670 Well, I think. 777 00:50:07,410 --> 00:50:11,340 I don't know. I mean, I feel I think Mark Daniel J. Lewis, 778 00:50:11,370 --> 00:50:14,430 Daniel J. Lewis should be outraged. He's the one that 779 00:50:14,430 --> 00:50:17,880 stopped the train and said, stop with this live business. Let's 780 00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:22,170 do comments who made these decisions? Well, what I want to 781 00:50:22,170 --> 00:50:27,360 know from Daniel J. Lewis, is why? I mean, he's a coder. Why 782 00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,360 isn't he putting this on his website? Yeah, because now 783 00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:34,080 you're talking exactly. You want to comments, bring it, bring it 784 00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:38,610 on, brother. Put it on, put it on my podcast reviews. This is 785 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:43,440 grumpy days. Everybody is grumpy Dave? No, no, no. 786 00:50:45,450 --> 00:50:48,630 I love you, Jason, Daniel, Jason live. And live. 787 00:50:49,830 --> 00:50:52,230 Live is a part of the same shit you're dealing with right now. 788 00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:53,670 Right? With the 789 00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,710 I put live on I put live on the shelf, so that I can finish the 790 00:50:58,740 --> 00:51:00,840 Instagram app. And then when I'm finished with that, 791 00:51:03,450 --> 00:51:08,490 then I feel I will, I will have some extra code that I can come 792 00:51:08,490 --> 00:51:12,690 back to live with. This is going to help live. 793 00:51:14,550 --> 00:51:17,700 This this is going to the the booster gram app, when I'm 794 00:51:17,700 --> 00:51:21,630 finished with this, I'm going to have good code in order to put 795 00:51:21,690 --> 00:51:26,790 because part of live is having chat. And it needs to be three 796 00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:30,030 streams of things coming in. It needs to be a live chat room. 797 00:51:30,570 --> 00:51:34,470 Also activity pub based comments if there's a linkage there that 798 00:51:34,470 --> 00:51:39,390 it can find like to like what we're doing with with the 799 00:51:39,390 --> 00:51:42,900 comment threads. And booster grams, they need to be all 800 00:51:42,900 --> 00:51:47,970 coming into the same stream of of posts on the same page. So 801 00:51:48,180 --> 00:51:53,610 the booster grams stuff is is doing this right here is going 802 00:51:53,610 --> 00:51:58,590 to help me get the backend code that I need to do that with. So 803 00:51:58,620 --> 00:52:01,740 got it this Yes, stopping that and doing this and then coming 804 00:52:01,740 --> 00:52:05,100 back to that as the way to go. All right. Yeah. 805 00:52:06,510 --> 00:52:09,390 What else? That's not enough. There must be something else. 806 00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,550 Yes, I met somebody posted on podcast index dot social this 807 00:52:14,550 --> 00:52:16,560 morning, that 808 00:52:18,060 --> 00:52:19,260 dash and asked for help 809 00:52:20,490 --> 00:52:22,710 with stuff because people will be more than willing to help 810 00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:26,220 code things. And they're there. Right? It's this is a 811 00:52:26,580 --> 00:52:30,750 personality flaw of mine that I tend to take on too much stuff 812 00:52:30,750 --> 00:52:31,320 at once. 813 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,710 I don't know if it's me being a control freak or what it is. How 814 00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:36,060 do you feel about your mother? 815 00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:39,870 This is only a two hour show. 816 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,650 But there's no that there? I mean that that's just that's 817 00:52:46,650 --> 00:52:51,180 right. It's right. I do take on too much. So anytime somebody 818 00:52:51,180 --> 00:52:54,990 wants to most to jump in and help construct this stuff. 819 00:52:55,110 --> 00:52:58,500 Please feel free because if you don't I will overload myself. 820 00:52:58,500 --> 00:53:01,680 It's a it's a habit. get stopped doing that. 821 00:53:04,860 --> 00:53:05,220 Just 822 00:53:06,420 --> 00:53:10,410 using Ted last oh, by the way, I've seen three or four 823 00:53:10,410 --> 00:53:15,030 episodes. Yeah, on the plane, and we just I'm watching other 824 00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:19,080 stuff now. But it's like one of those long term I'll get around 825 00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,510 to and watch it all, but I thought it was quite 826 00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:24,900 entertaining. I liked I like the premise. I thought season one 827 00:53:24,900 --> 00:53:28,950 was good. We we like Robin Benjen in the last few days. And 828 00:53:29,250 --> 00:53:33,090 that's all season one was good. And but the I guess the reason I 829 00:53:33,090 --> 00:53:39,240 brought it up was Thomas Agha. Yeah, that show is guess so much 830 00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:46,020 apple branding PR. Yeah. Oh, my nauseating Well, it's apple. 831 00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,860 It's Apple TV. Right. It's apple produce. Yeah. I mean, like it's 832 00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,770 they're talking all the time about there's think there's 833 00:53:52,770 --> 00:53:56,160 things you do as things you don't do. And this is just for 834 00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,550 such a good show and award winning show. It's come across 835 00:53:59,550 --> 00:54:03,840 as whorish It does. Yeah, it does. That's a good way to say 836 00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:09,090 it. Like I mean, when the when the lead character literally 837 00:54:09,090 --> 00:54:12,840 says you know, oh, these air pods Max sound great. 838 00:54:16,110 --> 00:54:17,850 Bro, come across that. Yeah. 839 00:54:19,260 --> 00:54:22,740 I mean, like, oh my god, I love that the Escape key is back on 840 00:54:22,740 --> 00:54:23,940 my MacBook Pro. 841 00:54:25,830 --> 00:54:29,400 Yeah, one of them was like, Yeah, I'm moving in with my 842 00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,830 girlfriend and we're now sharing an iCloud account. I'm like, oh 843 00:54:31,830 --> 00:54:35,250 my god, can you just stop? Oh, that's how my that's Eddy Cue 844 00:54:35,250 --> 00:54:39,030 man. Eddy Cue does that shit he does. And I have to say 845 00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:43,320 unfortunately, he's right. Because it works. It works and 846 00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:47,370 works. Does that if that's what you want podcasting to turn 847 00:54:47,370 --> 00:54:50,940 into? That's There you go. You know? Well, that's what happens 848 00:54:50,940 --> 00:54:53,970 when the silos take over. What was Tina reading to me this 849 00:54:53,970 --> 00:54:58,380 morning is a bad Glenn Greenwald has announced a new independent 850 00:54:58,410 --> 00:54:59,790 podcast platform 851 00:55:00,539 --> 00:55:02,069 What Yeah, who wants 852 00:55:03,090 --> 00:55:08,520 to call in thing? Yes. I'm like, oh, and yeah, so we reach out to 853 00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:12,840 each other in actually all the time. Which Yeah, it's really 854 00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:13,530 she's 855 00:55:14,759 --> 00:55:20,279 okay. At night. I'm always reading and I choose something 856 00:55:20,279 --> 00:55:23,219 that is like technical or whatever something my as my eyes 857 00:55:23,219 --> 00:55:25,889 will glaze over and I'll fall asleep and then she'll say can 858 00:55:25,889 --> 00:55:29,669 you read to me? I have read the Satoshi white paper to her at 859 00:55:29,669 --> 00:55:30,959 least five times 860 00:55:33,270 --> 00:55:34,680 yes, I have you asked her. 861 00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,590 I'm sorry. Okay. Yeah. All right. So she was reading to me 862 00:55:40,590 --> 00:55:43,290 this morning and then you know, I'm listening to this like, oh 863 00:55:43,290 --> 00:55:46,470 man said WHAT THE FUCK Glenn Greenwald NASA go after. I 864 00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:48,900 already had to get Brett Weinstein's head on straight 865 00:55:48,900 --> 00:55:52,740 which is still iffy, but I gotta go find and I really liked 866 00:55:52,740 --> 00:55:56,310 Glengarry Glen grant Greenwald, Grant grant green, Roald Dahl 867 00:55:56,310 --> 00:55:59,280 ruff. And then she's read because I know that, you know, 868 00:55:59,310 --> 00:56:03,360 he's, he's basically pitching substack and rumble, I mean, 869 00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,120 he's being paid by both and that's fine. I'm very happy but 870 00:56:06,150 --> 00:56:09,960 it's not like a platform that is safe. 871 00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,000 And not safe by any by any means. But okay. And then she 872 00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,360 starts reading about call as well, actually, it was written 873 00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:22,800 called as ca ll i n, but then you realize it's really ca ll 874 00:56:22,830 --> 00:56:25,650 space i n. So it's not calling I'm like, Oh, that's interesting 875 00:56:25,650 --> 00:56:28,920 name. But it's Oh, yeah, that's confused. Me too. Because like 876 00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:33,180 calling Yeah, no, it's it's clubhouse. Yes. What? 877 00:56:35,460 --> 00:56:39,990 Oh, brother. Nice. All those things, those social audio 878 00:56:39,990 --> 00:56:43,830 things. I'm sorry. They're just pictures. How's How's Mark fun. 879 00:56:43,830 --> 00:56:49,740 Mark Cuban did the keynote. Hello, Podcast Movement. Hello, 880 00:56:49,740 --> 00:56:54,870 you idiots. That disappeared? I mean, it's gone. Right? Yeah, of 881 00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:58,500 course. It pisses me off because everyone's jacking off. You 882 00:56:58,500 --> 00:57:04,080 know. And now it's like, Oh, I really hope Facebook buys Lipson 883 00:57:04,110 --> 00:57:06,030 and blueberry please. 884 00:57:07,050 --> 00:57:10,830 They just published a show, which sounded like an old show 885 00:57:11,610 --> 00:57:14,220 where they have the two the two women on who are the product 886 00:57:14,220 --> 00:57:18,510 managers for for Facebook. And it's like, it would it was an 887 00:57:18,510 --> 00:57:22,260 old show. What is the repeat? I didn't understand. But yeah, 888 00:57:22,530 --> 00:57:26,520 it's like, Oh, yeah. Always got clips are so great. And all 889 00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:27,960 we're doing on that. Hmm. 890 00:57:28,980 --> 00:57:32,100 What I thought was interesting is did you see John's burlock 891 00:57:32,130 --> 00:57:38,070 Spurlock stats from October? Did not okay. You know, he's what 892 00:57:38,070 --> 00:57:40,920 he's doing is he's looking at he's looking at podcasting 893 00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:44,340 stats. I heard about it. I think I heard about it on pod news or 894 00:57:44,370 --> 00:57:48,240 Yeah, yeah, probably. And he's looking at it from the amount of 895 00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:53,460 new pup episodes published in a month. And yeah, Buzzsprout was 896 00:57:53,460 --> 00:57:57,960 number three or something. Yeah, so you get anchor Spreaker 897 00:57:57,990 --> 00:58:03,270 Buzzsprout. Triton digital Lipson, sound, SoundCloud, pod 898 00:58:03,270 --> 00:58:08,850 bean, other books, sermon, audio megaphone. Those are the top 10 899 00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,490 I think it needs to reparse it again. And I'll tell you why. 900 00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:17,400 Okay, I think a lot of is just the free poster. The what is it? 901 00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:21,390 What's the top one? Anchor? Anchor Spreaker anchor Spreaker 902 00:58:21,420 --> 00:58:22,020 and 903 00:58:23,130 --> 00:58:27,810 SoundCloud, I would say the metric should be new episode 904 00:58:27,900 --> 00:58:31,890 from an existing podcast because I have a feeling was crept in 905 00:58:31,890 --> 00:58:35,460 there is new episodes from new podcasts. And yeah, of course 906 00:58:35,460 --> 00:58:39,450 with marketing. These guys have to have hundreds if not 1000s of 907 00:58:39,450 --> 00:58:43,740 new signups per month. Okay, so that's exactly I'm glad you said 908 00:58:43,740 --> 00:58:45,690 I could. That's exactly why I brought this up because I had 909 00:58:45,690 --> 00:58:49,830 the same thought that really that needs more. It needs more 910 00:58:49,830 --> 00:58:52,530 qualifiers on it. One more One more grip. 911 00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:57,960 Okay, now grip that he used to do one more grip I need to grip 912 00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,920 the data one more time. Yeah, if I grip it, pipe it to grip. 913 00:59:03,150 --> 00:59:06,630 If if new equals no or whatever, get out. Yeah, that'll do it. 914 00:59:06,630 --> 00:59:09,660 That pretty much cleans it all up. Yeah. Well, okay. So if you 915 00:59:09,660 --> 00:59:13,740 so I'm looking at this at the top 25 You have anchor 916 00:59:16,020 --> 00:59:20,700 Spreaker which is a free has these maybe some of these hosts 917 00:59:20,700 --> 00:59:25,230 are not all they're not 100%. Free. They have free plans. So 918 00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:29,430 yeah, and where's Red was red bullets square circle. Okay, on 919 00:59:29,430 --> 00:59:33,840 there. What red circles that red circle? What's the one what our 920 00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:37,530 buddy in Nigeria uses? Yeah, okay. Yeah, he's his red circle. 921 00:59:37,770 --> 00:59:41,700 The red circle. Michael Caden from red circle. He's on the 922 00:59:41,730 --> 00:59:44,010 podcast index social right now is helping him with some stuff 923 00:59:44,010 --> 00:59:46,290 last night. Yeah, I kind of like what those guys are doing. 924 00:59:46,290 --> 00:59:49,500 Interesting. Interesting proposition they have. Yeah, I 925 00:59:49,500 --> 00:59:54,750 like the idea of free but, but in a way that's sane. Yeah. It's 926 00:59:54,750 --> 00:59:56,940 like you can tell where the money's coming from. It's not 927 00:59:56,940 --> 00:59:58,860 just all magic VC money, you know? 928 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,050 Now like, I like, trying to do stuff like that. I mean, because 929 01:00:04,050 --> 01:00:07,830 we're putting our stuff is free. But everybody, I mean, listen to 930 01:00:07,830 --> 01:00:11,190 the show until where the money's coming from. It's pretty obvious 931 01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:14,130 who's keeping it afloat. Yeah, exactly. I mean, as long as it's 932 01:00:14,130 --> 01:00:16,230 transparent, that's all you know. That's, that's what's 933 01:00:16,230 --> 01:00:23,130 important. But the, so you got anchor Spreaker, SoundCloud. 934 01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,370 iBooks. Now iBooks also has 935 01:00:27,450 --> 01:00:31,860 Australian or Russian Australian Spanish speaking. Oh, I think 936 01:00:31,860 --> 01:00:34,290 there's Central America, two strikes 937 01:00:35,550 --> 01:00:36,450 in 938 01:00:37,470 --> 01:00:41,970 the Internet Archive, so archive.org also free. So I 939 01:00:41,970 --> 01:00:45,450 yeah, I think some some of that could be would be really 940 01:00:45,450 --> 01:00:46,710 interesting if he would 941 01:00:48,420 --> 01:00:54,240 do what you said and parse it as new episodes per existing feed 942 01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:57,810 rather than new episodes for a new feed. Yeah. Because that 943 01:00:57,810 --> 01:01:00,660 just just comes out. That just comes down to marketing. And I 944 01:01:00,660 --> 01:01:04,410 guarantee you Buzzsprout will be number one. It seems to me like 945 01:01:04,410 --> 01:01:08,490 the most active most professional, most, I don't 946 01:01:08,490 --> 01:01:15,720 know, people who move the needle on Buzzsprout. I would say close 947 01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:19,980 second is probably RSS calm. That's just my feeling. I have 948 01:01:19,980 --> 01:01:21,330 no data to back it up. 949 01:01:23,070 --> 01:01:27,600 Yeah, well, I mean, Lipson, that was the other one. Lipson number 950 01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:32,010 five was interesting. That tells me that they have an established 951 01:01:32,010 --> 01:01:37,260 user base. Yes, well, yeah. Of course lips, Lipson has huge 952 01:01:37,650 --> 01:01:42,720 legacy of podcasts. Yeah. And they're people that are staying 953 01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:46,710 there in publishing on a regular basis rather than just like I 954 01:01:46,710 --> 01:01:50,370 just wonder not getting this huge influx of people right. I 955 01:01:50,370 --> 01:01:53,400 wonder if if all the loops and people will stay when Facebook 956 01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:53,970 buys them? 957 01:01:55,920 --> 01:02:02,130 Yeah, that when it'll become the department they Lipson podcast 958 01:02:02,130 --> 01:02:04,620 marketing department of Facebook, it'll be no it becomes 959 01:02:04,620 --> 01:02:05,580 Facebook five. 960 01:02:07,230 --> 01:02:09,210 That's coming. It's gonna be great. 961 01:02:10,500 --> 01:02:14,520 I mean, I mean, did Adam it very calm very mean today. I mean, 962 01:02:14,700 --> 01:02:17,730 not by just here, all the energy that got from Todd and from 963 01:02:17,910 --> 01:02:20,430 Robin, there's so they've got so much energy, and they're so 964 01:02:20,430 --> 01:02:23,220 enthusiastic, and I want them to succeed. And I know what they're 965 01:02:23,220 --> 01:02:26,100 doing and I'm happy for them. But I just I wanted I want that 966 01:02:26,100 --> 01:02:29,040 energy for us. Anyway. 967 01:02:31,470 --> 01:02:34,320 My partner's about to die, and I need some energy. 968 01:02:35,340 --> 01:02:35,820 What? 969 01:02:37,140 --> 01:02:39,210 You're not sounding too good. Yeah. 970 01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:45,540 You're making me feel good about this podcasting thing? 971 01:02:46,770 --> 01:02:51,150 Now? Um, I just need some more. Some more meds or something. 972 01:02:51,150 --> 01:02:53,340 Yeah, I've got to see if I can make it through another week. 973 01:02:53,340 --> 01:02:57,120 I'm not going to die. But you get a cold or flu every year. I 974 01:02:57,420 --> 01:03:01,200 think you mentioned to me or not, yeah. Okay. Yes. I'm very 975 01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:06,360 prone to sinus infection. Sucks. I just had year round, nasal 976 01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:10,020 drip from allergies never stopped ever since I moved to 977 01:03:10,020 --> 01:03:15,630 Texas. And yeah, take Texas. There's certain parts of I think 978 01:03:15,630 --> 01:03:18,330 it's the how, and this is not apply to Texas. But there's 979 01:03:18,330 --> 01:03:21,210 certain parts of the country like the Ohio River Valley, 980 01:03:21,570 --> 01:03:25,080 certain people that have no allergy problems. They've Yes, 981 01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:28,140 it there. And it's like, boom, they just get hammered. Yeah, 982 01:03:28,170 --> 01:03:31,080 this is after your first year after living in Texas is when 983 01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:34,890 you develop all these allergies and you're screwed. But hey, you 984 01:03:34,890 --> 01:03:38,370 can carry a gun. You never had allergies before. You never 985 01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:43,920 never. And I haven't I did. I can manage it. I mean, I can 986 01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:47,850 manage it now but I I destroyed a lot of my my system living 987 01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:53,730 downtown in my first apartment, which was pretty leaky. And they 988 01:03:53,730 --> 01:03:59,520 were just building all around. And so I have a very sensitive 989 01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,940 to mold. And so if you have mold and it's floating through the 990 01:04:02,940 --> 01:04:06,090 air and it picks up you know, little particles of diesel from 991 01:04:06,090 --> 01:04:11,880 the from the machinery that really you know, it's even going 992 01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:15,480 downtown. I have to bring Kleenex as I know I'm going to 993 01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:19,830 get an attack. Oh, well, the minute that that oil enriched 994 01:04:19,830 --> 01:04:26,940 pollen. It's my nasal. Yeah. Oh, aap. Exactly. Exactly. So I'm 995 01:04:26,940 --> 01:04:33,150 Stephen B said he a subtle reminder to tell the story of 996 01:04:33,150 --> 01:04:37,440 how we met. I guess we promised that on the last episode. Oh, 997 01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:37,800 yeah. 998 01:04:39,300 --> 01:04:40,350 Yeah, we met through. 999 01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:44,460 We met through the Dave Winer project through AECT for poets 1000 01:04:45,030 --> 01:04:46,980 in there was 1001 01:04:48,300 --> 01:04:52,650 So Dave, you can probably tell this. No, I actually like you to 1002 01:04:52,650 --> 01:04:57,270 tell it because I don't remember it that well. But when you tell 1003 01:04:57,270 --> 01:04:59,250 me then I'll probably be able to add some color 1004 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,670 I started listening to no agenda probably. 1005 01:05:03,689 --> 01:05:07,559 Maybe 12 years ago. I don't remember. But it was it was 1006 01:05:07,559 --> 01:05:11,249 definitely it was in the low. How did you find no agenda? 100? 1007 01:05:11,249 --> 01:05:15,419 How did you find? Three twit? Yeah. Okay. I think it was in 1008 01:05:15,419 --> 01:05:18,269 the low, low one hundreds episodes, maybe 1009 01:05:19,350 --> 01:05:21,060 early, early one hundreds. 1010 01:05:23,190 --> 01:05:23,730 But 1011 01:05:24,870 --> 01:05:28,320 I don't know, maybe episode one 120 or something like that. So I 1012 01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:31,470 listened to for a while. And then you made a switch from your 1013 01:05:31,470 --> 01:05:38,850 using Google Reader for your show, research. Uh huh. And then 1014 01:05:39,090 --> 01:05:40,080 he started using. 1015 01:05:41,130 --> 01:05:44,550 He's talked about it on on the show you started using Dave 1016 01:05:44,550 --> 01:05:47,010 Weiner's OPML editor 1017 01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:49,890 that he had recently sort of read 1018 01:05:51,510 --> 01:05:54,480 whatever you call it, yeah, he did a huge a bundled into a Mac 1019 01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:59,160 app, I think. Yeah. And so and Reethi just renamed. I think he 1020 01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:03,180 renamed it from Frontier to open some radio radio to OPML. Maybe 1021 01:06:03,210 --> 01:06:07,920 no, no. Frontier. Yeah, you're right. Okay. Yeah. And then you 1022 01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:13,020 were talking about a few one, if anybody wants a, an account, on 1023 01:06:13,020 --> 01:06:15,930 your server, whatever, you're giving out accounts. So I 1024 01:06:15,930 --> 01:06:19,890 started playing with it, and then joined that project, 1025 01:06:19,890 --> 01:06:22,440 because it was all being managed through Google Groups. You're on 1026 01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:23,130 my server? 1027 01:06:24,150 --> 01:06:27,390 Yeah, I think so. Okay, I had a, an account, didn't know what to 1028 01:06:27,390 --> 01:06:31,380 do with it. But I had an account. And then got involved 1029 01:06:31,380 --> 01:06:36,930 in Google Groups in the AC T for poets. thing. And we're spinning 1030 01:06:36,930 --> 01:06:37,230 up 1031 01:06:38,940 --> 01:06:42,570 spinning up AC two instances with a copy of OPML editor 1032 01:06:42,570 --> 01:06:47,070 running on it. And I just recently shut that down Windows 1033 01:06:47,550 --> 01:06:49,020 Server 2000. 1034 01:06:50,220 --> 01:06:54,480 Like running the OPML. Editor. That is, to me the most 1035 01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:57,750 dangerous thing on the internet. Remember, when blog currie.com 1036 01:06:57,750 --> 01:07:02,640 broke? Yes, yeah. Because what would happen, just as an aside, 1037 01:07:03,060 --> 01:07:08,280 this app would crash. And but that was no problem, because you 1038 01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:12,570 had another app that ran in the system tray to start it again. 1039 01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:19,140 You know, eventually, it will have started so many times, that 1040 01:07:19,140 --> 01:07:22,380 it would just stop you go in, and you got to do RDP, and all 1041 01:07:22,380 --> 01:07:25,650 that shit to get into the Windows machine. And then in the 1042 01:07:25,650 --> 01:07:30,360 system tray, you'd mouse over it. And there would be like 1000 1043 01:07:30,390 --> 01:07:33,900 OPML, editor icons, and you have to move your mouse back and 1044 01:07:33,900 --> 01:07:37,020 forth over the system tray for them all to go and get them to 1045 01:07:37,020 --> 01:07:41,640 go away, then you had to get you had to kill that restart your 1046 01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:44,640 app, because you know, that was in the cars that whatever you're 1047 01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:49,740 doing, you needed to do is you need to reboot the box. And you 1048 01:07:49,740 --> 01:07:55,230 had to make sure that the OPML dot route file, ie the database 1049 01:07:55,650 --> 01:07:59,430 that it wasn't, you know, over 500 megabytes or something or 1050 01:07:59,430 --> 01:08:02,520 what have gigabytes because then he would either fill up the 1051 01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:06,300 drive you had to compact it which had to do with the command 1052 01:08:06,810 --> 01:08:10,290 remember and all this Yeah, and then finally it was all started 1053 01:08:10,290 --> 01:08:14,190 again. It was working and and then I had this period where it 1054 01:08:14,190 --> 01:08:19,110 was just getting hammered by if was China or whatever it was. It 1055 01:08:19,110 --> 01:08:22,410 was just it was so it was just hammer hammer hammer and the 1056 01:08:22,410 --> 01:08:25,440 poor thing couldn't handle it anyway. Yeah, I guess I'd 1057 01:08:25,440 --> 01:08:29,580 migrated so much that I just pulled the plug on the whole 1058 01:08:29,580 --> 01:08:32,700 thing was cost me 300 bucks a month. It was like some month 1059 01:08:32,700 --> 01:08:36,150 because you know, you pay the license fee. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. 1060 01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:41,190 I totally can. Yeah, at Rackspace. Yes, it was. Yes, it 1061 01:08:41,190 --> 01:08:44,460 was at Rackspace. You're right. Yeah. No, but I had backups 1062 01:08:44,460 --> 01:08:47,970 running and imaging and everything was good system. I 1063 01:08:47,970 --> 01:08:51,240 didn't mind. I didn't mind the cost because it was really 1064 01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:53,910 really good. And it ran a lot of stuff and then at certain point, 1065 01:08:53,910 --> 01:08:56,850 it was just data diminished so much in use, I just pulled the 1066 01:08:56,850 --> 01:09:01,620 plug in. Bye bye. i You know, I I Rackspace. doesn't let you 1067 01:09:01,620 --> 01:09:02,790 keep the image. 1068 01:09:03,810 --> 01:09:08,040 It just charges you you can't shut it off. Right now. Like, 1069 01:09:08,190 --> 01:09:10,980 like Amazon. If you shut it off, you're not charged for it. And 1070 01:09:10,980 --> 01:09:13,590 with Rackspace. I just keep getting charged like so. Okay, 1071 01:09:13,590 --> 01:09:14,430 so I didn't do it. 1072 01:09:15,570 --> 01:09:19,200 Yeah, that is dead anyway. Yes. Big. Big diversion. Sorry. 1073 01:09:20,310 --> 01:09:23,820 No, sorry. That was that was my whole life ran on that. Yeah. 1074 01:09:24,390 --> 01:09:26,460 And then But then how do we decide to start doing the 1075 01:09:26,460 --> 01:09:29,040 freedom controller? Because 1076 01:09:31,380 --> 01:09:36,420 well, you had a, you had a, you had a tiff with no, I know what 1077 01:09:36,420 --> 01:09:38,910 happened. We were using instant outliner. 1078 01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:44,520 Remember that? Yeah. I remember. So you know, and you had an 1079 01:09:44,550 --> 01:09:48,000 outline and you could subscribe so I could subscribe to Dave's 1080 01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,480 outline, someone else's outline. And then if you made an update 1081 01:09:51,480 --> 01:09:55,530 to that outline, that that your note in my outline, by the way, 1082 01:09:55,530 --> 01:09:59,430 this is still cool shit. It is cool. Yeah, we just boop would 1083 01:09:59,430 --> 01:09:59,970 go bold. 1084 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,270 whatever the thing is bold, right? Bold, would show that it 1085 01:10:03,270 --> 01:10:06,210 updated. You can still it's all in freedom controller. It was 1086 01:10:06,210 --> 01:10:09,330 basically a chat app. But it was really handy because, you know, 1087 01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:12,120 you could see how I can see how you were thinking like, Oh, 1088 01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:15,510 here's an art, you could archive and I'm gonna stick this over, 1089 01:10:15,510 --> 01:10:17,910 you could just move the information and you could have, 1090 01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:21,090 in essence, like, Oh, check out this, this line that I've been 1091 01:10:21,090 --> 01:10:26,400 working on, or this text or just a quick one liner note. And I 1092 01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:31,620 believe what the way I think the TIF was, that Weiner, just all 1093 01:10:31,620 --> 01:10:33,840 of a sudden, like, pulled the plug and just unplugged the 1094 01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:35,550 whole thing. And we're like, what happened? You know, it's 1095 01:10:35,550 --> 01:10:38,010 like, he's not working anymore. And he had it because he was 1096 01:10:38,010 --> 01:10:40,620 always good. He always gets pissed off about someone saying 1097 01:10:40,620 --> 01:10:44,880 something the wrong way or not respectful, or you didn't give 1098 01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:49,560 your bug report in the right format, whatever the fuck. And 1099 01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,380 then, so he freaks out and unplugged everything. And I 1100 01:10:52,380 --> 01:10:54,630 think that somehow he got in touch with us, like, let's just 1101 01:10:54,630 --> 01:10:57,450 go work on our own thing. I really liked that. It wasn't 1102 01:10:58,470 --> 01:11:01,200 it we didn't we wasn't instant outlining was not the first 1103 01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:05,730 thing that we were working on. No, no, no. So you never got it. 1104 01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:09,360 You would. You emailed me and said, Hey, you wanna you want to 1105 01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:12,750 do a project or whatever? You had an idea for, like a social 1106 01:11:12,750 --> 01:11:18,240 network? Saying, type deal, though, right? Yeah, we're gonna 1107 01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:21,300 build Twitter. Yeah. Yeah, essentially. Yeah. Yeah, I don't 1108 01:11:21,300 --> 01:11:25,110 know. I remember. And I said, Well, actually, I've, I've got 1109 01:11:25,140 --> 01:11:28,080 this, because I had started about three months before 1110 01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:35,280 rewriting a lot of my favorite parts of our of the OPML. idea. 1111 01:11:35,580 --> 01:11:39,510 Yeah, the OPML. Editor in Atlanta, what was it called? 1112 01:11:39,510 --> 01:11:44,880 Again, the open source version? Are you talking about the, it 1113 01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:49,230 was like, it was river two. And then rate. Radio was the 1114 01:11:49,230 --> 01:11:52,590 blogging part. Radio two was the blogging part and all that 1115 01:11:52,590 --> 01:11:55,170 stuff. So I tried, I started putting all those pieces 1116 01:11:55,170 --> 01:11:59,550 together in a in a lamp, just a LAMP stack, Linux based app. 1117 01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:04,800 I started doing that. But the one thing I always wanted this, 1118 01:12:04,980 --> 01:12:10,530 I had always wanted this forever, was a way to have a 1119 01:12:10,530 --> 01:12:12,120 bookmarklet in my browser, 1120 01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:18,600 where I could be reading an article, click the bookmarklet, 1121 01:12:18,780 --> 01:12:23,910 and have it save a copy of that article, to a database on my 1122 01:12:23,910 --> 01:12:29,010 server that I had. So that I could create a paper trail as I 1123 01:12:29,010 --> 01:12:33,420 read things across the internet, where I could go back and say, 1124 01:12:33,450 --> 01:12:36,120 oh, you know what, I remember this article that I read three, 1125 01:12:36,180 --> 01:12:40,560 three months ago, but I don't remember where I read it. And I 1126 01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:43,620 wanted to be able to go and search for it and find it in my 1127 01:12:43,620 --> 01:12:47,820 database. And that keeps it makes things searchable. And it 1128 01:12:47,820 --> 01:12:53,070 makes it to where, if that link ever goes away, you still have a 1129 01:12:53,070 --> 01:12:56,370 copy of the article, you've archived it. So I always wanted 1130 01:12:56,370 --> 01:13:01,800 a digital article archiver. So the pieces that I had put in was 1131 01:13:02,310 --> 01:13:08,190 a news river RSS reader, a micro blogging tool, and this article 1132 01:13:08,190 --> 01:13:13,140 archiver function, which carta lies, right cartulary Yeah. And 1133 01:13:13,140 --> 01:13:17,490 so God put it, and I put it in, like I use, you sent me that 1134 01:13:17,490 --> 01:13:20,220 email and said, Hey, you want to build a project together? I got 1135 01:13:20,220 --> 01:13:22,980 this idea. I was like, Well, I don't know if this thing I'm 1136 01:13:22,980 --> 01:13:27,120 working on would work. But like, here it is, you want an account. 1137 01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:29,100 So I set you up an account on my server, and you're like, Oh, my 1138 01:13:29,100 --> 01:13:33,090 God, this is my show notes. Like this show notes right away. 1139 01:13:33,090 --> 01:13:36,960 Yeah, exactly. It's and it's the same thing. I need a record of 1140 01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:39,960 everything that I read everything I did. And he did it 1141 01:13:40,110 --> 01:13:43,320 in a nice, neat way organized, that I can reorganize stuff and 1142 01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:48,030 put it into into a show rundown or topics that I'm going to talk 1143 01:13:48,030 --> 01:13:50,430 about, which I'm very familiar with outlining is how it worked, 1144 01:13:50,430 --> 01:13:54,660 my brain works. And then the beauty part is then we have this 1145 01:13:54,750 --> 01:13:58,110 you know this button that says Publish click boom, and then you 1146 01:13:58,110 --> 01:14:02,910 turn show notes or literally show prep into show notes. Yeah, 1147 01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:06,870 that's really phenomenal. So that the end and then we 1148 01:14:06,900 --> 01:14:09,540 strapped on all kinds of and this is a 10 year project. And 1149 01:14:09,540 --> 01:14:12,780 meanwhile, your wife Melissa, she became an artist and she was 1150 01:14:12,780 --> 01:14:16,500 doing um, did she didn't she started doing art for no agenda. 1151 01:14:16,500 --> 01:14:21,450 Did she do a couple pieces? Yes, she did. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And 1152 01:14:21,480 --> 01:14:24,990 my, my daughter. My daughter was 1153 01:14:26,250 --> 01:14:28,560 me. No, we just moved out my oldest daughter into an 1154 01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:31,980 apartment Wednesday. Oh, my goodness. I mean, she was I 1155 01:14:31,980 --> 01:14:35,580 think she was like, I don't know nine and oh, we started this. 1156 01:14:37,350 --> 01:14:41,100 Ah, how they grow Dave and arch and our final trial, the freedom 1157 01:14:41,100 --> 01:14:44,220 controller will never leave the nest. We never. We never 1158 01:14:44,220 --> 01:14:47,400 finished that child. That child's not baked. It'd be 1159 01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:51,420 living in his mom's basement for the rest of his life. Living in 1160 01:14:51,420 --> 01:14:54,750 mind for sure. I can't be without it. Yeah, I cannot be 1161 01:14:54,750 --> 01:14:55,320 without it. 1162 01:14:56,430 --> 01:14:58,260 That's pretty much I mean, that's, that's it. Yeah. And 1163 01:14:58,260 --> 01:15:00,000 then we, you know, we spent 10 years 1164 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,090 Working on aggregation fine tuning it 1165 01:15:04,830 --> 01:15:09,990 the RSS generator did a lot with that, man but we should use that 1166 01:15:09,990 --> 01:15:12,870 out instant outlining again. How cool was it? You know, you see, 1167 01:15:12,900 --> 01:15:16,470 I know you don't follow them I do whiners back on it man. He's 1168 01:15:16,500 --> 01:15:19,950 he's created this whole Yeah, he's now created all of frontier 1169 01:15:19,950 --> 01:15:20,490 in 1170 01:15:21,990 --> 01:15:25,650 JavaScript JavaScript, I think Yeah. And you know, it's now 1171 01:15:25,650 --> 01:15:28,710 it's open source and now he's he's doing the same thing is in 1172 01:15:28,710 --> 01:15:32,520 essence, you know, connecting outliners and I look at him 1173 01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:36,090 like, oh, and you know, he uses Twitter for identity for log on 1174 01:15:36,090 --> 01:15:39,030 and this should be good. You know, he's, it's all the all the 1175 01:15:39,030 --> 01:15:43,590 same ideas is just another iteration, that very few people 1176 01:15:43,590 --> 01:15:44,340 will use 1177 01:15:45,900 --> 01:15:48,840 an update one or I can't work with him, but I love him. He's 1178 01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:53,700 got such good ideas. Yeah, these guys. Programmer Yeah. But I 1179 01:15:53,700 --> 01:15:59,610 mean, like, that's so crisper, I seen my like this, the instant 1180 01:15:59,610 --> 01:16:05,010 outliner idea was based on on an outline inclusion, inclusion. 1181 01:16:05,010 --> 01:16:08,370 Yeah, which I still to this day use. I mean, I use it in all my 1182 01:16:08,370 --> 01:16:11,250 show notes, I'm always including different outlines from 1183 01:16:11,250 --> 01:16:14,430 different places. A lot of people don't understand that 1184 01:16:14,430 --> 01:16:18,450 OPML can even do that. That was the first iPod directory was 1185 01:16:18,450 --> 01:16:24,300 literally OPML includes you, if so in an outline, in an OPML 1186 01:16:24,300 --> 01:16:29,580 outline file, which is just XML, one of the attributes in an X in 1187 01:16:29,580 --> 01:16:35,160 a node and OPML node is inclusion equals and then it can 1188 01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:40,920 be in what you do is you put a URL of another OPML file in that 1189 01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:44,910 attribute. So then when you double click the node to expand 1190 01:16:44,910 --> 01:16:48,510 it, what's supposed to happen is that goes out, the app goes out 1191 01:16:48,510 --> 01:16:52,620 and gets the contents of that other outline, and includes it 1192 01:16:52,620 --> 01:16:55,680 as the cont as the children content of that node when you 1193 01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:59,820 expand it. Yeah. I think David Davis forever angry that, you 1194 01:16:59,820 --> 01:17:05,100 know, OPML became associated with mp3 listings. Yes, I think 1195 01:17:05,100 --> 01:17:08,010 that's the frustrations like that's all that ever is 1196 01:17:08,010 --> 01:17:12,060 recognized for and I you know, I always download a new outliner 1197 01:17:12,060 --> 01:17:14,340 and let's see what it does. And you know, lots of them will 1198 01:17:14,340 --> 01:17:18,870 import and export OPML none of them do inclusion. 1199 01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:23,130 Yeah, I can see why he's bitter about that. Because it's just 1200 01:17:23,130 --> 01:17:27,000 became Oh OPML that's the thing you trade in the trade cast. We 1201 01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:30,270 I'm bitter about it, honestly, because it was beautiful in 1202 01:17:30,270 --> 01:17:32,850 still is. It's an outliner language. 1203 01:17:33,930 --> 01:17:36,870 That's what all of the no agenda show no system is built on is 1204 01:17:36,870 --> 01:17:40,920 OPML inclusions and that's why it was so easy to build search 1205 01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:44,760 engines off of the show notes because it's all it's all XML 1206 01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:46,620 you can go and parse the whole 1207 01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:50,190 the whole directory and get everything structured data. 1208 01:17:50,850 --> 01:17:53,760 Let's thank some people David, this is a value for value 1209 01:17:53,790 --> 01:17:58,200 project. It's not just the podcast. The podcast is purely a 1210 01:17:58,290 --> 01:18:02,490 recording of the board meeting, which we preside over and from 1211 01:18:02,490 --> 01:18:05,640 time to time we bring in other board members we haven't had one 1212 01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:08,310 in a few weeks so we should have some who's coming up put it we 1213 01:18:08,310 --> 01:18:14,220 have on the on the roster. Oh, we have got let's see who we got 1214 01:18:14,310 --> 01:18:19,560 Franco from CAST ematic coming up, you know good. And we got 1215 01:18:19,590 --> 01:18:24,510 James the week of Christmas. Cridland Cleveland you know cool 1216 01:18:24,990 --> 01:18:27,060 we're gonna do a look back year review 1217 01:18:29,310 --> 01:18:31,800 as well you got the right guy for it. Yeah. 1218 01:18:33,090 --> 01:18:37,620 Roi ROI from Brees is going to be December 3 Nice. That'd be 1219 01:18:37,620 --> 01:18:43,740 fun. Nice. Oh Jason from podcast guru excellent. We got lined up 1220 01:18:43,740 --> 01:18:46,830 nice got some man I think I got stuff booked all the way out to 1221 01:18:46,830 --> 01:18:50,400 January the seventh baby nice I appreciate it man you do a good 1222 01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:53,430 job on keeping the balance producing the show. 1223 01:18:54,450 --> 01:18:57,210 I'm trying to I try to alternate we have a guest one week and 1224 01:18:57,210 --> 01:18:59,520 then just two of us the next week so we don't get to guest 1225 01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:00,840 heavy yeah it's kind of 1226 01:19:02,580 --> 01:19:06,180 value for value the It says it right there on the tin. What you 1227 01:19:06,180 --> 01:19:09,750 do is if you take a long hard look at yourself and say am I 1228 01:19:09,750 --> 01:19:12,120 getting value out of this stuff these guys are doing guys and 1229 01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:16,530 gas and if you do write down a number that you say is equal in 1230 01:19:16,530 --> 01:19:19,380 your mind and your world not ours or whatever it's worth to 1231 01:19:19,380 --> 01:19:22,470 you send that back to us you can do it a podcast index.org scroll 1232 01:19:22,470 --> 01:19:25,860 to the bottom is a big red donate button for your Fiat fun 1233 01:19:25,860 --> 01:19:31,920 coupons. We love people boosting us and I believe looking at the 1234 01:19:31,950 --> 01:19:36,180 the email report this morning we got a hefty boost No Yeah, we 1235 01:19:36,180 --> 01:19:36,780 got to begin 1236 01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:40,500 begin all right. What's the what's the big and what 1237 01:19:40,500 --> 01:19:43,290 happened? What went down? What are you learning? No, I'm saving 1238 01:19:43,290 --> 01:19:46,800 that for the end that's the big crescendo Okay, all right. Let's 1239 01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:50,760 let's thank some people. Oh, okay. Right out the bat we get 1240 01:19:50,790 --> 01:19:56,760 Sir Harry pilgrim as 22,112 sets of 2112 Run ice you better 1241 01:19:56,760 --> 01:20:00,000 explain what that is because you keep boosting that 1242 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,180 amounted to Cridland and he doesn't he doesn't get it. 1243 01:20:03,810 --> 01:20:08,190 Really? Yeah. Caitlin, are you not a rush? Man? You've got it. 1244 01:20:08,370 --> 01:20:12,990 2112 is their seminal album? I wonder I wonder, you know that's 1245 01:20:13,020 --> 01:20:16,890 that's gonna be the question I shall ask. What music do you 1246 01:20:16,890 --> 01:20:22,110 listen to James Cridland? I'm thinking Bucks Fizz. What the 1247 01:20:22,110 --> 01:20:26,340 heck is that? Don't worry. He just cringed. Okay? 1248 01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:33,060 What was that? He was that like, Jamaican rap group or whatever? 1249 01:20:34,110 --> 01:20:35,700 Jamaican rap group. 1250 01:20:36,780 --> 01:20:38,580 I can't even remember the name of it. It was 1251 01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:40,740 something in something 1252 01:20:41,910 --> 01:20:44,460 from a few weeks ago, I'm gonna I'm gonna play you a little 1253 01:20:44,460 --> 01:20:48,510 bucks. Play a little Bucks Fizz. Is that a British thing? Of 1254 01:20:48,510 --> 01:20:49,110 course. 1255 01:20:51,780 --> 01:20:58,170 But see, you'll love it. Here we go. Hit it. Oh, it's got to go 1256 01:20:58,170 --> 01:20:59,370 to the tubes. Here we go. 1257 01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:03,480 Flux feels like the UX. 1258 01:21:04,590 --> 01:21:07,350 It's bucks. Foi ZZ 1259 01:21:10,470 --> 01:21:12,090 Wait, wait for the wait for it 1260 01:21:16,620 --> 01:21:17,340 down 1261 01:21:19,590 --> 01:21:22,530 oh my god. It sounds like something in church. Yeah. 1262 01:21:25,980 --> 01:21:30,300 Making your mind up. Oh boy. I'm exposing myself as a Bucks Fizz 1263 01:21:30,300 --> 01:21:30,720 fan. 1264 01:21:31,980 --> 01:21:35,220 Your okay, what year was that song? Oh, I just closed the tab. 1265 01:21:35,220 --> 01:21:42,360 I'm gonna say without looking. I'm gonna say 1979 maybe did a 1266 01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:45,150 chart? Oh, yeah, but this was number one. That's why That's 1267 01:21:45,150 --> 01:21:48,930 why it's a joke. Let me see. This. That was number one in the 1268 01:21:48,930 --> 01:21:51,360 UK in 1979. Possibly let me 1269 01:21:53,130 --> 01:21:54,810 just lost respect for the British. 1270 01:21:57,330 --> 01:22:03,660 Oh, let's see bucks. They have a website. bucks bucks. phys.co.uk 1271 01:22:04,230 --> 01:22:04,950 Let me see. 1272 01:22:05,970 --> 01:22:07,290 Here's their discography. 1273 01:22:09,690 --> 01:22:14,430 They probably still do gigs. Oh, wow. Gray hair and shit and I am 1274 01:22:14,430 --> 01:22:19,650 sorry. 1981 Okay, ready? Number 112 weeks in the UK chart 1275 01:22:19,650 --> 01:22:23,820 everybody. Oh, this is a Euro vision group. Of course it is. 1276 01:22:23,850 --> 01:22:27,390 Yeah, well, that's where the number one hits come from. Okay, 1277 01:22:27,510 --> 01:22:32,310 so this this saying ABA wouldn't have been believable. But Bucks 1278 01:22:32,310 --> 01:22:35,940 Fizz. Yeah, you know, I can see James jammin out to some fizz. 1279 01:22:36,750 --> 01:22:40,680 And they've got a picture on Wikipedia of the skirt. Rip at 1280 01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:44,550 Eurovision 1981. Know what, that's all that was the wardrobe 1281 01:22:44,550 --> 01:22:49,080 malfunction. Yes, yes, yes. scandalous. Yes, Sir Terry Wogan 1282 01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:50,190 was very amused. 1283 01:22:51,930 --> 01:22:55,860 Sir hearing pilgrim also was amused and said long live neil 1284 01:22:55,860 --> 01:22:58,920 peart rush boost. Yes. Thank you very much. 1285 01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:06,600 Let's see. 22,000 SATs. Wow. From our buddy Mike Newman. He 1286 01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:12,660 says about you boost. Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah. Boost. keep on keepin 1287 01:23:12,660 --> 01:23:15,960 on fellas. Mike Newman. 20,000. Thanks, Mike. I appreciate it. 1288 01:23:16,530 --> 01:23:18,330 He's probably a second life guy. 1289 01:23:19,470 --> 01:23:22,650 Who, Mike? Yeah, and everyone in Second Life was either name 1290 01:23:22,650 --> 01:23:26,460 Newman or something else. I was Adam Adam Newman. 1291 01:23:28,650 --> 01:23:29,370 Let's see. 1292 01:23:30,420 --> 01:23:34,680 Oh, our friend B mozzie. Is that Brian? mozzie? Uh huh. He says, 1293 01:23:35,460 --> 01:23:40,950 okay, so he Oh, this is a good boost. 8374 which is beta. Oh, 1294 01:23:41,340 --> 01:23:46,920 yeah. Nice one says beta live boosting. This is real talk. 1295 01:23:47,190 --> 01:23:50,940 Love podcasting tube cup. Ah, okay. I get Yes. All right. 1296 01:23:51,570 --> 01:23:55,710 Testing 2.0. And new apps, but I'm the choir not and you 1297 01:23:55,710 --> 01:23:59,610 couldn't convert. For instance, web only apps without download 1298 01:23:59,610 --> 01:24:03,090 capability are a no go. We're in the age of streaming. But not 1299 01:24:03,090 --> 01:24:05,820 everything is unlimited data and having podcasts on a flight is 1300 01:24:05,820 --> 01:24:10,050 essential. Good points. Yes, I use different apps. I 1301 01:24:10,050 --> 01:24:14,790 personally, but I'm a web guy. I stopped using apps at right 1302 01:24:14,790 --> 01:24:18,180 after I learned how to put one together and I saw that. What's 1303 01:24:18,180 --> 01:24:22,530 that? That honeypot SDK that everybody puts in there, that 1304 01:24:22,530 --> 01:24:26,670 Facebook thing? Like now I'll just use web web browser so I 1305 01:24:26,670 --> 01:24:28,050 love the web apps. It's 1306 01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:32,460 just I love them works great for me. That's personal but that's 1307 01:24:32,460 --> 01:24:35,370 what's great about podcast apps are extremely personal. 1308 01:24:36,480 --> 01:24:40,500 Um, let's see. Okay, here we go. We get to two these back to 1309 01:24:40,500 --> 01:24:47,160 backs and Brian came in with a couple more 4929 SATs he says 48 1310 01:24:47,220 --> 01:24:52,530 minutes and 29 seconds. The time my new podcast app froze on the 1311 01:24:52,530 --> 01:24:55,650 episode and I had to switch over to overcast to finish listening 1312 01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:59,970 top 1,000% usability is the biggest barrier when you 1313 01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,940 have to sell the features that caveat the bugs to new users, it 1314 01:25:02,940 --> 01:25:06,180 is an uphill battle for adoption. Every new app can be 1315 01:25:06,180 --> 01:25:09,150 as well oiled as an overcast or Pocket Cast, but they just need 1316 01:25:09,150 --> 01:25:14,400 to get there. I agree. I agree to but as you pointed out on the 1317 01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:18,360 previous episode, it takes time. It doesn't, you know, 1318 01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:23,760 it's not like Apple's App is all fixed and spiffy, or Spotify is 1319 01:25:24,930 --> 01:25:28,140 all kind of everyone has all software has bugs, it all sucks, 1320 01:25:28,170 --> 01:25:32,040 and everyone has issues and it's just a matter of, I think it's 1321 01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:36,090 time I that's, you know, we're starting from scratch new 1322 01:25:36,090 --> 01:25:41,520 paradigms, new thinking, new, new people, new ideas. It's, 1323 01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:45,660 it's a very normal iteration. Yeah, it's tough love, but true, 1324 01:25:45,660 --> 01:25:50,520 but okay. Some things you just can't eat some things you just 1325 01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:53,520 can't replace. And time is one of them when it comes to code, I 1326 01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:57,450 think. I agree. I agree. And yeah, we're, it's very early 1327 01:25:57,450 --> 01:26:02,220 days. These are all early adopters. Yeah, yeah, totally. 1328 01:26:02,460 --> 01:26:06,690 The one thing I would suggest is let's all get some OPML import 1329 01:26:06,690 --> 01:26:10,770 and speaking of just podcast lists, but let's let's all get 1330 01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:14,190 OPML import and export working that's your adoption that's 1331 01:26:14,220 --> 01:26:18,090 that's the easy way people will try something out but to have to 1332 01:26:18,090 --> 01:26:23,820 resubscribe if they can import man that's just a historical 1333 01:26:23,820 --> 01:26:28,020 learning take it for taking down Frankie for it. Take it from me 1334 01:26:28,020 --> 01:26:31,170 somebody somebody on podcast index that's social a while back 1335 01:26:31,170 --> 01:26:35,070 was working I forget who it was was working on a common back end 1336 01:26:35,070 --> 01:26:35,610 for 1337 01:26:36,690 --> 01:26:42,270 for OPML export import. Hmm. To where any app could just connect 1338 01:26:42,270 --> 01:26:46,620 to this thing and pull in somebody is OPML that would if 1339 01:26:46,620 --> 01:26:49,410 somebody wants to pick that up that would to me, that would be 1340 01:26:49,410 --> 01:26:51,660 a really cool service. Cool idea. Yeah. 1341 01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:58,650 Bronson, a third one he says 4829 set. My booster Graham 1342 01:26:58,650 --> 01:27:03,480 should have been 4008 29 not 4929 for the faded 4829 Time 1343 01:27:03,480 --> 01:27:04,800 Code even on buggy 1344 01:27:07,140 --> 01:27:09,060 like it. Thank you, man. That's great. Brian. 1345 01:27:11,190 --> 01:27:14,610 Brian Oates and another one elite boost 1337 and just said 1346 01:27:14,610 --> 01:27:16,140 boosted? Yeah, we will. 1347 01:27:19,860 --> 01:27:25,650 See, oh, yo, yo Ostrowski says. He sent us 1000 SAS. He says 1348 01:27:25,650 --> 01:27:28,290 Cass dose is an outstanding product. Thanks for having them 1349 01:27:28,290 --> 01:27:29,130 on. Joe. 1350 01:27:32,580 --> 01:27:36,690 I liked our chat with Yeah, it was good. Very good, guys. 1351 01:27:38,910 --> 01:27:43,350 Oh, hardhats and 5000 SATs, and he's just says boost. 1352 01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:52,980 Thank you hard hat and DJ seeds. Oh, I like that. No, that is 1353 01:27:52,980 --> 01:27:58,680 well. Yeah. DJ seeds is 5000 Sassy says what wishlist items 1354 01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:01,170 do you have for developers? Since you guys are constantly 1355 01:28:01,170 --> 01:28:04,530 thinking about podcasting 2.0 surfacing some of your ideas to 1356 01:28:04,530 --> 01:28:07,560 us developers, maybe in a structured way, would be greatly 1357 01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:11,880 appreciated. I know Dave likes to do everything. But we would 1358 01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:14,940 gladly listen. And that's what I was talking about earlier. I 1359 01:28:14,940 --> 01:28:18,150 don't necessarily like doing it all. I just can't help it 1360 01:28:18,150 --> 01:28:21,150 sometimes. I know Dave is doing everything. But we would gladly 1361 01:28:21,150 --> 01:28:23,190 take some things off his plate and allow him to focus on other 1362 01:28:23,190 --> 01:28:27,780 things. Well, you know, I've, I've got the the code. Thank 1363 01:28:27,780 --> 01:28:30,840 you. DJ says, I've got the code posted up for 1364 01:28:33,150 --> 01:28:37,890 for this diagram app. So what is the code name of that? helo pad. 1365 01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:43,290 And what is MK Ultra? That's the live thing. Okay, got it. I 1366 01:28:43,290 --> 01:28:47,130 don't remember if I posted it or not, but I'll post it as well. 1367 01:28:47,700 --> 01:28:51,540 So we can be uh, feel free to jump in anywhere out. That's the 1368 01:28:51,540 --> 01:28:55,980 beauty of GitHub. Yeah. Always glad to do pull requests and all 1369 01:28:55,980 --> 01:28:59,010 that stuff. Anything you want to do is totally great with me. 1370 01:29:00,660 --> 01:29:03,720 And I will try to do better about that about about making 1371 01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:06,900 things to do. Do you accessible? Do you need to safe word? 1372 01:29:08,340 --> 01:29:14,280 Say bucks. This is our safe word. Mash. I'm gonna change the 1373 01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:15,180 title of the show. 1374 01:29:17,730 --> 01:29:18,300 Is 1375 01:29:19,650 --> 01:29:24,300 C night and I'm gonna do this to you to everyone's gonna be like, 1376 01:29:24,300 --> 01:29:28,830 Hey Dave, Dave at Dave Bucks Fizz, but I'm just gonna be a 1377 01:29:28,830 --> 01:29:33,990 fan. I'm just envisioning like Eurovision Song Contest on stage 1378 01:29:33,990 --> 01:29:35,310 in a gimp suit or something. 1379 01:29:38,790 --> 01:29:41,130 Nice visual. That's worse than goatse 1380 01:29:42,540 --> 01:29:46,920 1948 Boost. See, this is Brian of London. The 1948 Boost is 1381 01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:51,240 accompanied by $10 and $5 set as a recurring weekly donation to 1382 01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:55,050 build a PayPal gap. So good. Thank you. Yeah, he says hi. 1383 01:30:00,870 --> 01:30:02,490 My dog. Yes 1384 01:30:05,790 --> 01:30:06,420 there is 1385 01:30:08,220 --> 01:30:11,940 minority left the room. Those tyrannies man they they got they 1386 01:30:11,940 --> 01:30:16,170 got some bark to them, don't they? Oh yeah, I love it deep 1387 01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:16,560 deep. 1388 01:30:17,699 --> 01:30:19,439 What's his name? In banjo? 1389 01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:25,020 Our dog's name is Phoebe but ultimately it's Francis or Baba, 1390 01:30:25,170 --> 01:30:28,740 depending on what the dog is doing, depending on what you're 1391 01:30:28,740 --> 01:30:31,950 currently liking it or not like yes, he does like I don't think 1392 01:30:31,950 --> 01:30:35,580 so. Francis like the dog doesn't know. Francis. 1393 01:30:37,620 --> 01:30:38,160 Alright, right. 1394 01:30:40,260 --> 01:30:46,440 Let's see. We got 19 153 sets from Kyron he says Warning to 1395 01:30:46,440 --> 01:30:50,610 kids at home. If no boosting can be addictive. Say no to MK Ultra 1396 01:30:50,610 --> 01:30:51,090 boosts. 1397 01:30:54,930 --> 01:30:58,380 Man up, Australia's Got something Yeah, they got some 1398 01:30:58,380 --> 01:30:58,800 humor. 1399 01:31:00,780 --> 01:31:06,420 Arrow statica he's in 2376 sets and he says unbeatable booster 1400 01:31:06,420 --> 01:31:12,690 grams. unbeatable. grams. Think aerostatic aerostatic is about 1401 01:31:12,690 --> 01:31:13,470 to blow your mind. 1402 01:31:16,830 --> 01:31:22,920 iMac psi ma see? Oh, he's our buddy Saltzman Paul Saltzman 1403 01:31:23,220 --> 01:31:27,360 says his 1000 SATs Salzman here enjoying fountain in testing its 1404 01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:30,870 boost functionality. Check out spoken song lyrics my two 1405 01:31:30,870 --> 01:31:33,360 minutes silly podcast hosted on booksprout 1406 01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:37,620 Check it out and Paul. Yes. 1407 01:31:40,050 --> 01:31:45,900 CASS peeling 3300 SATs and he says thanks for the show boost. 1408 01:31:49,890 --> 01:31:51,420 You and here's the 1409 01:31:52,890 --> 01:31:54,510 mind blower. Okay. 1410 01:31:56,190 --> 01:31:56,880 aerostatic 1411 01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:02,910 502,376 Holy crap. 1412 01:32:04,650 --> 01:32:07,020 Shot Carla 20 is Blaze. 1413 01:32:08,850 --> 01:32:13,440 Baller boots of the decade Holy crap. Which chat Do we still 1414 01:32:13,440 --> 01:32:17,070 have liquidity on the chat? I don't know. I don't know we may 1415 01:32:17,070 --> 01:32:20,790 have to rent something from lightning labs yeah holy crap 1416 01:32:20,820 --> 01:32:24,840 that's phenomenal. So that that went through huh okay, so no 1417 01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:28,590 kidding had 353 I'm looking right I'm logging in that's 300 1418 01:32:28,590 --> 01:32:32,130 bucks man that's that's a match Yeah, I mean, first of all, 1419 01:32:32,130 --> 01:32:37,320 thank you so much. Yes, that that is that really helps. But 1420 01:32:37,530 --> 01:32:40,140 How the fuck did it get in without depleting it handle 1421 01:32:40,140 --> 01:32:41,460 somewhere? I'm logging 1422 01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:49,680 either lightnings routing is is gotten very smart. Yeah. Or are 1423 01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:54,330 we snuck that one in somehow and under the underside channel 1424 01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:58,440 what's while I'm looking at this What's this note? Okay, says 1425 01:32:58,500 --> 01:33:02,190 mega arrow boost Happy Friday guys make keep making life 1426 01:33:02,190 --> 01:33:06,060 better for podcasters hosts and devs you are today's rockstars 1427 01:33:06,060 --> 01:33:09,960 of the money revolution today include my PSB as a part of this 1428 01:33:09,960 --> 01:33:13,680 half million set booster gram let's see if it goes through it 1429 01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:15,360 did it did man 1430 01:33:17,310 --> 01:33:20,550 this were like the Sex Pistols of the of the the money 1431 01:33:20,550 --> 01:33:21,270 revolution 1432 01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:29,640 Yeah, let me log into this 502,376 SATs is there 1433 01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:33,090 significance to the number well, he said 1434 01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:41,490 I had to include my PSB as a part of this hat what is PSB Do 1435 01:33:41,490 --> 01:33:42,090 you know that name? 1436 01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:48,720 Gosh I'm pretty good with acronyms. Be personal service 1437 01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:50,430 boosts personal 1438 01:33:51,660 --> 01:33:53,280 it's got to be personal something 1439 01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:59,310 you know that people are yelling at their podcast app. Oh, I got 1440 01:33:59,310 --> 01:34:03,960 it. I got I got I got it personal standard boost. Oh, he 1441 01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:08,820 included that okay, yes he is normal boost is 2376 added the 1442 01:34:08,820 --> 01:34:12,630 personal standard boost to his to his half million set. Got it. 1443 01:34:12,990 --> 01:34:15,630 Got it. Okay, I'm looking at I'm loading here. 1444 01:34:16,860 --> 01:34:19,050 Just was God that was a huge boost somewhere. 1445 01:34:21,330 --> 01:34:25,620 Hey, man, we're all giddy about it. Yeah, I gotta say I wonder 1446 01:34:25,740 --> 01:34:27,330 honestly, what do we get? 1447 01:34:28,500 --> 01:34:32,250 Just wonder what the routing was that Well, I don't want to know 1448 01:34:32,250 --> 01:34:35,370 that too. Well, although I do it might have gone through Alex 1449 01:34:35,370 --> 01:34:40,080 gates is node. Is he ever big that big? We have half that we 1450 01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:45,420 have almost half a million SATs on our end from his from his did 1451 01:34:45,420 --> 01:34:48,510 his swing did it just Yeah, I don't. The way that's what I 1452 01:34:48,510 --> 01:34:53,040 don't know. Highway to Hell. Oh, Highway to Hell that channel was 1453 01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:58,470 666,666 sets. Thanks. See 1454 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:05,640 Thanks, Satan. It's like the music awards. Uh oh, you know, 1455 01:35:05,670 --> 01:35:10,050 no, I'll bet you. Yeah, it's a breeze. Lm pay. 1456 01:35:11,130 --> 01:35:15,780 Oh, okay. Yeah, I can see it because LM pay. Now we've got 1457 01:35:15,780 --> 01:35:20,160 700,000 SATs on our side from from our big. We have a 5 1458 01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:24,240 million Satoshi channel with LM pay. Okay, so that's where 1459 01:35:24,270 --> 01:35:27,330 that's where it hit. Okay. Yeah, I'd forgotten we have, we're 1460 01:35:27,330 --> 01:35:32,130 smart. We, we put your money where it counts into liquidity 1461 01:35:32,130 --> 01:35:35,310 in the node. And so that's where that's where it works. So I 1462 01:35:35,310 --> 01:35:39,450 wonder what that should try a million next time. Let's see if 1463 01:35:39,450 --> 01:35:44,220 that was just just a suggestion. Yeah. Look, don't stop pushing 1464 01:35:44,220 --> 01:35:47,190 boundaries. No, really. We encourage this. We we have to 1465 01:35:47,190 --> 01:35:49,590 stress test the system. I mean, you want to see if you can break 1466 01:35:49,590 --> 01:35:51,000 it. Come on, man. Step it up. 1467 01:35:53,010 --> 01:35:53,850 Seriously, though, 1468 01:35:55,470 --> 01:35:58,860 thank you very much. aerostatic. That is that is it for testing. 1469 01:35:58,860 --> 01:36:01,770 Thank you. This is the biggest as far as I know, the biggest 1470 01:36:01,770 --> 01:36:06,690 boost we've had. It's proven it proves a lot that this this 1471 01:36:06,690 --> 01:36:10,710 works. This is really really, really a seminal moment. 1472 01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:16,290 And it's aerostatic is on is currently king of the hill. But 1473 01:36:16,620 --> 01:36:19,650 he's right put these right to be dethroned. Oh, yeah. I can 1474 01:36:19,650 --> 01:36:23,310 already see I see people in the woodworks already. Yeah. Like 1475 01:36:23,340 --> 01:36:26,850 somewhere. I've got a wallet with some SATs left. Yeah, get 1476 01:36:26,850 --> 01:36:30,450 hard drive somewhere. Oh, by the way, I hooked up my blue wallet 1477 01:36:30,450 --> 01:36:33,840 to my Umbral very slick. 1478 01:36:34,860 --> 01:36:37,500 Oh, can it act as a remote managed, like a remote managed 1479 01:36:37,500 --> 01:36:42,000 wallet? I do. Yeah. So actually, I'm going to give Tina cuz, you 1480 01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:45,750 know, it's, it's like LM bits or LM PE in a way, you know, you're 1481 01:36:45,750 --> 01:36:49,530 on the same note, but it's just an accounting system. And so she 1482 01:36:49,530 --> 01:36:52,440 just boom, you just got a little lightning wallet, and then you 1483 01:36:52,440 --> 01:36:54,090 can send SATs into it. 1484 01:36:55,200 --> 01:36:58,350 And, you know, it's just it's great for setting someone up 1485 01:36:58,350 --> 01:37:00,420 with their individual wallet that they can actually do 1486 01:37:00,420 --> 01:37:03,000 something with that isn't too hard. You know, because blue 1487 01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:06,270 wallet, you could just set up one, one wallet, and you're good 1488 01:37:06,270 --> 01:37:08,730 to go. And you know it you just 1489 01:37:09,750 --> 01:37:13,860 flash the QR code. And it's connected and they just need to 1490 01:37:13,860 --> 01:37:14,550 fill it up. 1491 01:37:15,780 --> 01:37:19,740 At you need. Okay, so play. Do you got clips? I do. I do. Of 1492 01:37:19,740 --> 01:37:24,150 course I do. Play that Kawasaki. $500. For what this is from your 1493 01:37:24,900 --> 01:37:28,170 interview with Guy Kawasaki. Oh, this is the 1494 01:37:29,430 --> 01:37:32,820 what is it called? Interesting people, something like that. 1495 01:37:33,480 --> 01:37:36,420 Yeah. So I'm like, here we go. Whatever this show was worth to 1496 01:37:36,420 --> 01:37:39,210 you just write that number down and send it to us. And we still 1497 01:37:39,210 --> 01:37:43,530 got a lot of people sending $5 Quite a few sending $50. And lo 1498 01:37:43,530 --> 01:37:49,500 and behold, a whole bunch of people sent $500 Which $500 For 1499 01:37:49,500 --> 01:37:54,480 what? That was the value they got out of the podcast. I love 1500 01:37:54,480 --> 01:37:55,140 it how he's like. 1501 01:37:59,160 --> 01:38:04,440 Yeah, that was so crazy. What I mean, like, that tells me he's 1502 01:38:04,650 --> 01:38:10,350 he doesn't value his own content. Thank you. Exactly. So 1503 01:38:10,440 --> 01:38:13,470 I mean, like if somebody values if somebody sends you $500, they 1504 01:38:13,470 --> 01:38:17,670 don't just do it for kicks. They do it because they see value in 1505 01:38:17,670 --> 01:38:20,760 it. Yeah. And that has not value that you assign to it. That's 1506 01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:24,750 value that they assign to him. The problem with podcasting is 1507 01:38:24,750 --> 01:38:29,850 all the Gosh, darn charts, stop with the charts. If you if 1508 01:38:29,850 --> 01:38:32,670 you're reaching an audience you're reaching and why, why is 1509 01:38:32,670 --> 01:38:39,390 everyone so insane about growing their podcast? Seriously, this 1510 01:38:39,390 --> 01:38:43,050 is a serious question. Why is the number one mission that has 1511 01:38:43,050 --> 01:38:47,130 always talked about when it's about podcasting at conferences, 1512 01:38:47,400 --> 01:38:51,780 podcasts about podcasting? It's always how am I how do I get 1513 01:38:51,780 --> 01:38:55,350 discovered? How do I grow? My show? Is that the point of 1514 01:38:55,350 --> 01:38:59,610 podcasting is my question. Dave Jones, your opinion, the point 1515 01:38:59,610 --> 01:39:04,830 of podcasting is not to is not to grow your show, because 1516 01:39:04,830 --> 01:39:08,760 that's, that's a, he might as well say the point of podcasting 1517 01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:09,540 is to 1518 01:39:10,770 --> 01:39:15,990 make it a certain color. Your the point of podcasting is to 1519 01:39:15,990 --> 01:39:20,430 connect with your audience in a way that they get value from you 1520 01:39:20,430 --> 01:39:21,420 and in return it. 1521 01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:26,520 You create a shared value between the two between you and 1522 01:39:26,520 --> 01:39:31,290 your audience, whether that's if it's if it's 1000 people, and 1523 01:39:31,290 --> 01:39:35,190 it's sustainable. What does it matter if you need to grow? I 1524 01:39:35,190 --> 01:39:39,030 mean, I don't really understand an old paradigm. It's an old 1525 01:39:39,030 --> 01:39:43,890 paradigm of mainstream of ratings of reach of audience, 1526 01:39:44,010 --> 01:39:46,800 ultimately of power for many. 1527 01:39:48,030 --> 01:39:53,220 So I would posit that if you're just growing your audience, 1528 01:39:53,250 --> 01:39:55,680 you're not doing it the right way. The only way to grow your 1529 01:39:55,680 --> 01:39:58,680 audience is to have an outstanding product. Boom. 1530 01:39:58,710 --> 01:40:00,000 That's it. Just have an outstanding 1531 01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:03,660 Any product, and I love what you said the day that you connect 1532 01:40:04,140 --> 01:40:07,560 that people connect with. That's what it is. These are no long 1533 01:40:07,590 --> 01:40:13,980 clubhouse suck. Get out of here. email, Twitter booster grams, 1534 01:40:13,980 --> 01:40:16,980 you know, there's a million ways every community will will do it 1535 01:40:16,980 --> 01:40:20,610 differently. But you're serving a community, you may be building 1536 01:40:20,610 --> 01:40:24,630 a community. That's okay. Because that's what you're going 1537 01:40:24,630 --> 01:40:28,050 to wind up with anyway, whether you like it or not, but this 1538 01:40:28,050 --> 01:40:33,510 incessant owe to discovery, I ask people all time how'd you 1539 01:40:33,510 --> 01:40:36,900 find the show? I heard about it from someone else. I googled it. 1540 01:40:36,990 --> 01:40:40,770 I googled something. And I found it. I never hear anyone say, oh, 1541 01:40:40,770 --> 01:40:43,350 yeah, no, I got this from my podcast app from my 1542 01:40:43,350 --> 01:40:45,690 recommendations. It's not about that. 1543 01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:50,790 Yeah, make a great product. Well, you only reason to grow 1544 01:40:50,820 --> 01:40:54,570 your audience, from that traditional stance is that you 1545 01:40:54,750 --> 01:40:58,080 is so that you're building up numbers that you can then sell 1546 01:40:58,080 --> 01:41:02,820 to an advertiser precisely. And now you just you have the money 1547 01:41:02,850 --> 01:41:07,140 just trickling in 24/7. And no one's fast forwarding. 1548 01:41:08,670 --> 01:41:10,350 You're not annoying people. 1549 01:41:11,400 --> 01:41:14,580 And some ads. I like you know, there's this reps. If I'm 1550 01:41:14,580 --> 01:41:17,700 listening to Marty bent, I don't mind hearing the ads. Sometimes 1551 01:41:17,700 --> 01:41:21,360 there's something interesting. It's of interest to me. But in 1552 01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:24,810 general, do an ad on this show one day, I don't need to hear an 1553 01:41:24,810 --> 01:41:28,200 ad for fast moving consumer goods. You know, I don't need to 1554 01:41:28,200 --> 01:41:29,910 hear that. Well, 1555 01:41:31,290 --> 01:41:32,130 I forget who was 1556 01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:38,040 we just read a histogram from somebody promoting their their 1557 01:41:38,040 --> 01:41:41,910 podcast? Yes, fine. Oh, I'm fine. 1558 01:41:43,140 --> 01:41:45,540 I'm just gonna write something down. Remember, I? I just don't 1559 01:41:45,540 --> 01:41:48,540 want to sell my audience to them. No, of course not. 1560 01:41:50,100 --> 01:41:54,480 Mitch, let's do some monthly Mitch from pod verse $50. Thank 1561 01:41:54,480 --> 01:41:54,870 you, but 1562 01:41:56,970 --> 01:41:58,590 always coming in and helping us out. 1563 01:41:59,640 --> 01:42:02,610 Krista to char bark. $10. 1564 01:42:03,690 --> 01:42:06,330 Mitch always comes in twice. He's got a 50 and a 10. So he 1565 01:42:06,330 --> 01:42:10,980 came in with another 10 inch. Thank you, man. Terry Keller, he 1566 01:42:10,980 --> 01:42:15,120 has always been given us $4.11 The 411. He's the human 1567 01:42:15,120 --> 01:42:19,740 subscription. He is and then I know that he bumped it for 411 1568 01:42:19,740 --> 01:42:24,180 to $5. So we thank you. Thank you, but most X is still at 411. 1569 01:42:24,330 --> 01:42:24,810 On his 1570 01:42:26,100 --> 01:42:30,060 on his. He's easy. It's just a reminder to me every show that 1571 01:42:30,060 --> 01:42:35,190 hey, set up subscriptions idiot. Okay, thanks, Terry. Yeah. Alice 1572 01:42:35,190 --> 01:42:38,460 gates, the podcasting. 2.0 console. Yeah. $25 Thank you 1573 01:42:38,460 --> 01:42:39,780 very much. Nice. 1574 01:42:42,480 --> 01:42:48,090 Jeremy, Kevin, all $10 Jeremy and Jerry, Jeffrey Rutherford. 1575 01:42:48,690 --> 01:42:54,540 $5. And Chris Cowan $5. Thank you guys. That's all month 1576 01:42:54,540 --> 01:42:58,920 lease. And that's it. Well, thank you all very much. This 1577 01:42:58,920 --> 01:43:01,350 has been good. We're transitioning to a foreign 1578 01:43:01,350 --> 01:43:08,400 Satoshi value for value operation. And certainly what to 1579 01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:12,240 aerostatic did helps helps even an out because obviously we have 1580 01:43:12,240 --> 01:43:15,090 less income the booster just this less people doing it. But 1581 01:43:15,390 --> 01:43:20,040 screw that. I'm happy. This is great. And I find myself all the 1582 01:43:20,040 --> 01:43:23,460 time listening to podcasts now like, oh, shit, let me just get 1583 01:43:23,820 --> 01:43:26,880 Oh, hold on a second. This is what I think about this. It's 1584 01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:30,720 it's a great way to put in comments to feed back to the 1585 01:43:30,720 --> 01:43:34,050 podcast. It's a great way to do it. A reminder. 1586 01:43:35,700 --> 01:43:39,240 I was talking to the dude in Belgium, he runs a radio station 1587 01:43:39,240 --> 01:43:41,880 called memory land 60s 70s 80s. 1588 01:43:43,050 --> 01:43:47,010 And it's just starting it up but he's got some investment and I 1589 01:43:47,010 --> 01:43:51,330 know the guy's been around. I know the guy because he is I'm 1590 01:43:51,330 --> 01:43:55,500 going to give you the comparison. He is the manager to 1591 01:43:55,500 --> 01:43:56,550 the Dutch 1592 01:43:57,630 --> 01:43:58,680 Garth Brooks. 1593 01:44:01,350 --> 01:44:04,350 Which is which is the funniest to wrap your head around that 1594 01:44:04,350 --> 01:44:09,750 one nice guy Oh, hats and everything. Almost almost. Yeah, 1595 01:44:09,780 --> 01:44:13,620 the the kind of Dutch slash Flemish version of it. And he's 1596 01:44:13,620 --> 01:44:16,080 had this idea for a long time. And he wants to do this. He 1597 01:44:16,080 --> 01:44:20,400 wants to do a 60s 70s 80s radio station with young people. And 1598 01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:24,120 he has a global system with people all over the world. And 1599 01:44:24,120 --> 01:44:27,360 so it'll make sense the programming will be live and 1600 01:44:27,360 --> 01:44:28,350 there will be it'll be 1601 01:44:30,060 --> 01:44:33,600 according to your timezone. So, you know, the music will kind of 1602 01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:37,620 adapt to the timezone that is up next. It's a bit the whole, the 1603 01:44:37,620 --> 01:44:40,230 whole thing and he actually pitched me he wanted me to 1604 01:44:40,230 --> 01:44:43,770 consult for him. And I'm like, you know, I got no time for 1605 01:44:43,770 --> 01:44:47,760 this. Yeah, I really don't. I love the idea. I listened to a 1606 01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:50,790 test stream. And I said, and then I pitched him. I said, 1607 01:44:50,790 --> 01:44:55,290 Well, why don't we do 2.0 And this guy, he went nuts over it. 1608 01:44:55,890 --> 01:44:59,340 He's like, Oh my God, this makes so much sense. He says can I 1609 01:44:59,340 --> 01:44:59,970 work with him? 1610 01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:03,450 With podcast apps couldn't be couldn't. Can we give them money 1611 01:45:03,450 --> 01:45:07,560 to promote to promote our stream? So yeah, heck yeah. And 1612 01:45:07,560 --> 01:45:10,050 I said, What do you think that they would want to be promoted 1613 01:45:10,050 --> 01:45:11,820 on the air? I said, yeah. 1614 01:45:13,230 --> 01:45:16,560 So they want the full monty they want the live booster Graham's, 1615 01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:20,550 he wants the air talent to be doing that. He wants to, you 1616 01:45:20,550 --> 01:45:25,770 know, have membership clubs and sell merch through through the, 1617 01:45:25,800 --> 01:45:29,340 through the whole Satoshi wallet system. He'd like to see that as 1618 01:45:29,520 --> 01:45:32,910 you load up your money in the app, and you participate in 1619 01:45:33,240 --> 01:45:37,230 contests where you could win, he wants the money to come back. So 1620 01:45:37,230 --> 01:45:39,870 if you're, you know, whatever, if you call it 100, I'll just 1621 01:45:39,900 --> 01:45:43,590 use an old analogy that you win and they could send SATs back to 1622 01:45:43,590 --> 01:45:48,180 your wallet, to they really want to go very far. So what I'm 1623 01:45:48,180 --> 01:45:51,660 pitching to our app developers, is that we make an entry for 1624 01:45:51,660 --> 01:45:55,230 them. I guess I'll just set up a, like a bogus RSS feed or 1625 01:45:55,230 --> 01:45:58,290 something. I'll help we'll figure something out and put in 1626 01:45:58,290 --> 01:46:02,010 a live tag. And is it pod verse that has a separate radio 1627 01:46:02,010 --> 01:46:04,770 section? I think so. Right? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. So that 1628 01:46:04,770 --> 01:46:06,300 might be a great spot for it. 1629 01:46:07,470 --> 01:46:12,360 He's paying ASCAP BMI, it's all it's all legit. Just a thought 1630 01:46:12,390 --> 01:46:15,360 that we could see what we can do with that, because it'll be a 1631 01:46:15,360 --> 01:46:19,710 24/7 stream with talent that is literally talking about 2.0. 1632 01:46:20,670 --> 01:46:23,250 That would be amazing. That's one you know, that part of that 1633 01:46:23,250 --> 01:46:27,360 is one thing that nobody's done yet. Is the boost. Boost going 1634 01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:30,510 the other way? Yeah, totally doable, but nobody's done it 1635 01:46:30,510 --> 01:46:34,170 yet. But that would be a really cool thing. I just want to get 1636 01:46:34,170 --> 01:46:35,220 them up and running with 1637 01:46:36,600 --> 01:46:38,670 with MK Ultra. 1638 01:46:39,780 --> 01:46:44,400 Oh, yeah. So we can Yes. Are you made with the booster gram app? 1639 01:46:44,400 --> 01:46:47,280 So that yeah, I just read it all. Exactly. Well, also the 1640 01:46:47,280 --> 01:46:50,820 whole life thing. You know, they need a chat box when people go 1641 01:46:50,820 --> 01:46:54,990 in, did it. Whether that's from a page, but I prefer to be from 1642 01:46:54,990 --> 01:46:57,180 the app, you just send a booster gram while you're listening. 1643 01:46:57,180 --> 01:46:57,900 Hello. 1644 01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:01,860 And then the DJs will read it back. 1645 01:47:03,390 --> 01:47:04,770 They need a they need a 1646 01:47:06,570 --> 01:47:07,290 way to call it. 1647 01:47:08,580 --> 01:47:12,930 They need a node going oh, no, no, he's he's, he's ready for 1648 01:47:12,930 --> 01:47:15,090 me. He's already like, do you think that we could have at 1649 01:47:15,090 --> 01:47:19,320 least one app that works by December 5? I said no. Well, I 1650 01:47:19,320 --> 01:47:22,590 don't know. He's got a promotion in mind. He's already this is 1651 01:47:22,590 --> 01:47:26,520 how this guy thinks remember managing the Dutch Garth Brooks? 1652 01:47:26,790 --> 01:47:30,060 You got something going on? Yeah, I mean, that'll get you 1653 01:47:30,780 --> 01:47:34,140 right in that he's a nice he's been trained in this. Yes, 1654 01:47:34,140 --> 01:47:38,430 exactly. Yeah. And he does festivals and so he has he has 1655 01:47:38,460 --> 01:47:43,380 very very big plans and I just I completely orange pilled him and 1656 01:47:43,380 --> 01:47:48,060 I didn't take much because he's like he's you know the the 1657 01:47:48,060 --> 01:47:53,010 Belgians in my they're kind of like the Texas of the EU in a 1658 01:47:53,010 --> 01:47:55,920 way the Flemish at least not the French part. They hate each 1659 01:47:55,920 --> 01:47:56,430 other to 1660 01:47:57,510 --> 01:48:01,110 Belgium is isn't that the one that's like part for part 1661 01:48:01,110 --> 01:48:03,990 fringe? Yes. Part. Yeah. The Flemish Yeah, and you have the 1662 01:48:04,050 --> 01:48:07,440 balloons and they hate each other and the end so the Flemish 1663 01:48:07,440 --> 01:48:12,030 part speaks Dutch with it like Southern accent only like like a 1664 01:48:12,030 --> 01:48:16,470 drawl. And the French part speaks French obviously. And and 1665 01:48:16,470 --> 01:48:19,410 if the whole place is a mess It's the most corrupt country in 1666 01:48:19,410 --> 01:48:23,700 the world of course the the European government you yeah in 1667 01:48:23,700 --> 01:48:24,360 Brussels. 1668 01:48:25,770 --> 01:48:28,830 The Belgians you know, they they have a parliamentary system. 1669 01:48:28,980 --> 01:48:31,200 They couldn't get a coalition together. They'd never 1670 01:48:31,200 --> 01:48:33,660 government for like four and a half years or something and no 1671 01:48:33,660 --> 01:48:36,900 one cares like new whatever. They said, is a longer danger. 1672 01:48:37,770 --> 01:48:39,990 The danger is when you don't have a government and then 1673 01:48:39,990 --> 01:48:41,130 nobody notices anything. 1674 01:48:42,180 --> 01:48:45,090 Oh, wait, we got to get one real quick because they realize it's 1675 01:48:45,090 --> 01:48:47,010 a scam. That's exactly. 1676 01:48:48,750 --> 01:48:53,490 Anyway, so they got a 256k stream and and when he gives it 1677 01:48:53,490 --> 01:48:56,820 to me, then we can use it and I'm not sure exactly what needs 1678 01:48:56,820 --> 01:48:59,850 to be done. Someone tell me I'll be happy to do it. I want to 1679 01:48:59,850 --> 01:49:02,880 help this guy out. And I'd love to see this work because it's a 1680 01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:05,970 logical step. And the programming is pretty 1681 01:49:05,970 --> 01:49:09,390 interesting because yes, indeed, you might go from Pat Benatar to 1682 01:49:09,390 --> 01:49:15,750 Bucks Fizz that is possible on memory land Yes sir. Memory land 1683 01:49:15,780 --> 01:49:18,180 I love that neighbor. Right well, it was called yesterday 1684 01:49:18,180 --> 01:49:21,990 land and and so I did a three hour chat with him where he 1685 01:49:21,990 --> 01:49:24,690 wanted me to consult him now I'm not going to do that, but can I 1686 01:49:24,690 --> 01:49:28,380 make a suggestion memory land. So yesterday was yesterday is 1687 01:49:28,380 --> 01:49:32,820 done memory this day forever. And then and then please add 1688 01:49:32,820 --> 01:49:36,570 superstation to it. superstation memory land 1689 01:49:40,440 --> 01:49:43,470 that's you going back to your room? That's big. charging money 1690 01:49:43,470 --> 01:49:47,100 for that. Yeah, we should. Well, we'll be in this split. He said, 1691 01:49:47,130 --> 01:49:49,860 you'd be happy to put us in the split. And anyone else of 1692 01:49:49,860 --> 01:49:52,230 course, you know, this. He understood he understands the 1693 01:49:52,230 --> 01:49:56,550 idea didn't didn't flinch when I said this is completely 1694 01:49:56,550 --> 01:50:00,000 voluntary. Cuz he was like, oh my god, anything 1695 01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:02,880 to not have to brake every 20 minutes for the shittiest 1696 01:50:02,880 --> 01:50:06,750 commercials. It's a pain in the ass my whole model is based on 1697 01:50:06,750 --> 01:50:10,530 it. He says Can we also can we then split off money and pay the 1698 01:50:10,530 --> 01:50:17,700 air talent as a yes. Well Sam Sethi at at at River radio he 1699 01:50:17,700 --> 01:50:21,960 needs to do the same thing get get a node put the boost gram 1700 01:50:21,960 --> 01:50:28,860 app into you give booster gram app to your video. Yeah. on 1701 01:50:28,860 --> 01:50:33,120 there. Yeah, come on people. Why didn't Why did to do jocose in 1702 01:50:33,120 --> 01:50:35,460 the South have to come up with all these ideas. What are you 1703 01:50:35,460 --> 01:50:38,190 doing? Yeah, like you have jobs or something? 1704 01:50:39,990 --> 01:50:43,920 We're breaking breaking new radio ground. Nice work. Did you 1705 01:50:43,920 --> 01:50:44,340 get it? 1706 01:50:46,530 --> 01:50:48,090 Alright, Dave, anything else for you? 1707 01:50:49,260 --> 01:50:53,460 No, I'm good. I'm heading back to the office. Okay. Yeah, I'm I 1708 01:50:53,460 --> 01:50:57,090 feel better. That's the most important thing. We got to get 1709 01:50:57,090 --> 01:51:01,140 you healthy and keep you healthy. Yeah, I'm gonna have it 1710 01:51:01,140 --> 01:51:06,210 on my to do list do not still be snotty and gross by next Friday. 1711 01:51:06,360 --> 01:51:09,480 Don't be snotty and gross. And remember Bucks Fizz brother 1712 01:51:09,480 --> 01:51:10,230 Bucks Fizz 1713 01:51:11,940 --> 01:51:14,700 that's it for podcasting. 2.0 for this week, we'll be back 1714 01:51:14,700 --> 01:51:17,430 next Friday with another meeting of the Board of Directors. We'll 1715 01:51:17,430 --> 01:51:18,900 see you then everybody bye bye. 1716 01:51:34,680 --> 01:51:39,240 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcasts 1717 01:51:39,270 --> 01:51:43,710 index.org For more information, bombshell boost