1 00:00:00,719 --> 00:00:05,579 podcasting 2.0 for October 29 2021, episode number 16 2 00:00:05,639 --> 00:00:12,629 crossing the line hello, everybody. Time to end your 3 00:00:12,629 --> 00:00:17,159 week. You ready for the weekend? Well, this is the perfect time 4 00:00:17,159 --> 00:00:19,619 to join us here in the boardroom. It's time for another 5 00:00:19,619 --> 00:00:23,189 meeting of the Board of Directors of podcasting. 2.0 6 00:00:23,189 --> 00:00:26,999 everything going on and podcast index.org the podcast namespace. 7 00:00:27,479 --> 00:00:30,389 And of course all the wackiness that is podcast index dot 8 00:00:30,389 --> 00:00:33,269 social. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of Hill Country, Texas 9 00:00:33,269 --> 00:00:37,589 and in Alabama. He's a natural repellent of all things rust, my 10 00:00:37,589 --> 00:00:40,379 friend on the other end, Mr. Dave Jones, everybody 11 00:00:42,659 --> 00:00:43,859 what's up? Happy Friday. 12 00:00:43,890 --> 00:00:45,840 Happy Friday. Happy Friday. 13 00:00:45,900 --> 00:00:47,040 Happy podcast show day. 14 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:49,650 Yes, it's always a happy day. 15 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:54,510 It is. I was in North Alabama all day yesterday. Yeah. Family 16 00:00:54,510 --> 00:00:56,550 at a funeral go to actually Oh, 17 00:00:56,550 --> 00:00:59,610 I'm sorry. I was just about to say Oh, nice party, but okay. 18 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:05,790 Yeah. No, it's open mouth. Insert foot. Yes, yes. I'm 19 00:01:05,790 --> 00:01:06,090 sorry. 20 00:01:06,420 --> 00:01:10,050 You know, my whole family's from North Alabama. So I get to spend 21 00:01:10,050 --> 00:01:14,160 a day, man half a day out there. So it was it was good. As my 22 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:15,090 people I was 23 00:01:15,090 --> 00:01:18,030 gonna say tell me about your people. What do they do? They 24 00:01:18,030 --> 00:01:21,090 come from a long line of Alabamians Alabamans? 25 00:01:21,630 --> 00:01:26,850 Oh, yeah, Alabama. Mm hmm. And most of them worked for 26 00:01:26,850 --> 00:01:27,570 Monsanto. 27 00:01:27,870 --> 00:01:32,130 I was just I was just gonna say you probably farmers or ag 28 00:01:32,130 --> 00:01:32,790 sector, 29 00:01:33,330 --> 00:01:38,010 huh? Yep. It's a little small town in North Alabama called 30 00:01:38,010 --> 00:01:42,630 Hartzell. It's right next to Decatur, which is next, which is 31 00:01:42,630 --> 00:01:46,620 kind of close to Huntsville. So there's a lot of the two 32 00:01:46,620 --> 00:01:50,250 industries that there are agriculture of course, and 33 00:01:51,870 --> 00:01:55,320 military defense. Right. And because it's near Huntsville, 34 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,740 which is a big military contractor, town, 35 00:01:58,890 --> 00:02:01,440 so your whole family has been exposed to glyphosate, 36 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:02,040 basically. 37 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:07,650 Oh, I'm sure. Absolutely. 100% Positive. Yeah, no, they know, 38 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:08,670 most of my fans, 39 00:02:08,670 --> 00:02:10,470 everybody four feet tall is that? 40 00:02:12,180 --> 00:02:17,070 Yeah. Most of my family retired in some shape or form or fashion 41 00:02:17,070 --> 00:02:21,210 from from Monsanto. Yeah. Okay. I think they changed their 42 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,720 life. There. Now. Is there a bare bottom? 43 00:02:25,830 --> 00:02:30,390 Well, they changed her name to solutia. Oh, oh, then they 44 00:02:30,390 --> 00:02:32,730 changed her name back to Monsanto. I think that's how the 45 00:02:32,730 --> 00:02:33,330 thing goes. 46 00:02:34,290 --> 00:02:37,200 They were doing a Blackwater like, oh, man, we're on we got a 47 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,390 lot of heat here. Let's change your name. It's like Facebook, 48 00:02:39,540 --> 00:02:43,410 match Facebook. Yeah. It's weird because people are saying that I 49 00:02:43,410 --> 00:02:47,520 predicted this. And I'm like, Well, I don't remember you 50 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,520 predicting that. And I don't know where it was. And I used to 51 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:56,490 own metaverse.com. Okay, which I registered and Neil Stevenson 52 00:02:56,490 --> 00:02:58,920 who wrote who wrote the book Snow Crash, he said, I you can 53 00:02:58,920 --> 00:03:01,110 use it just, you know, don't make T shirts. You can't make 54 00:03:01,110 --> 00:03:05,160 any. You can't be making money off of the because he has merch. 55 00:03:05,190 --> 00:03:07,800 It's just I can't do merch. And I was cool. You know, and this 56 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,610 was early days. This was still no this was this was still 57 00:03:11,610 --> 00:03:16,080 mosaic days, maybe Netscape had just happened. And so that got 58 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,840 sold along with the company years and years ago, so I don't 59 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,470 have that anymore. I don't know who has but I figured it would 60 00:03:22,470 --> 00:03:26,580 be something like that. Meta Yeah. But I don't I don't think 61 00:03:26,580 --> 00:03:29,040 I called it like meta. And this is just a 62 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,290 Google alphabet play right? I mean, there's nothing nothing's 63 00:03:31,290 --> 00:03:32,100 really changing. 64 00:03:32,970 --> 00:03:35,640 Its positioning it's important sometimes you know, positioning 65 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,770 can mean a lot and I don't know if they're going to keep well 66 00:03:37,770 --> 00:03:41,430 Facebook will remain Facebook. I saying I don't think they'd be 67 00:03:41,430 --> 00:03:44,820 changing the app to meta. This is for the new rollout of 68 00:03:44,820 --> 00:03:48,240 whatever new you know, everything that they're talking 69 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:52,080 about to me all I envision is a move or a mud I can't help it. 70 00:03:52,110 --> 00:03:54,540 It's like oh, it's gonna be so cool. It'd be this virtual board 71 00:03:54,540 --> 00:03:55,770 member moves and muds 72 00:03:56,220 --> 00:04:00,120 No, no no multi user done Yes. multi user dungeon 73 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,690 and massive what was it? Yeah, massive. Online multiplayer. 74 00:04:03,690 --> 00:04:06,960 Yes. MMO MMO Yeah, 75 00:04:07,020 --> 00:04:10,890 yeah. And yeah, yeah, it was kind of like a text based thing 76 00:04:10,890 --> 00:04:16,140 you go in just like you look around, you see a lamp up lamp 77 00:04:16,140 --> 00:04:18,600 and then all sudden you get zapped by some wizard in the 78 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,730 corner Whose room you've invaded. Doesn't 79 00:04:21,060 --> 00:04:26,520 always tell you know, you're facing north to your East door. 80 00:04:26,550 --> 00:04:28,080 Yeah, West is two 81 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,380 doors. Oh, man. Good times. All pre doom. 82 00:04:31,950 --> 00:04:34,560 What was the name of it? There's there's a big 83 00:04:34,650 --> 00:04:38,700 there's lambda lambda mu was it the lambda mu? Who I don't know 84 00:04:38,700 --> 00:04:41,100 that one. Yeah, remember? That was the big one. That was the 85 00:04:41,100 --> 00:04:44,790 big I think was last Zork was it Zork that might have been a 86 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:54,450 little later than my lambda mu. Founded in 1990. at Xerox PARC 87 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,630 is the old it's still around apparently isn't Really? How 88 00:05:02,940 --> 00:05:07,860 about that? Yeah, no mu was a mud object oriented. That's what 89 00:05:07,860 --> 00:05:10,950 it was. So multi user dungeon object oriented was a movie. 90 00:05:12,180 --> 00:05:15,720 Good times, man. Good times. It was so exciting. It was so 91 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,450 exciting back in the day. It Really Work 92 00:05:18,599 --> 00:05:23,969 was a say individually developed tween 77 and 79 for the DEC PDP 93 00:05:23,969 --> 00:05:30,689 10. Hmm. That some guys at MIT Yeah, that was a buddy of mine 94 00:05:30,689 --> 00:05:33,059 had that on his PC, Jr. Do you remember PC Jr? 95 00:05:33,090 --> 00:05:38,610 Of course. Yes, of course. Well, so how about this head trip? So 96 00:05:38,700 --> 00:05:42,990 I weird we're now fondly remembering muds and moves. And 97 00:05:42,990 --> 00:05:47,730 yesterday I buckled although I've I've pi hold the crap out 98 00:05:47,730 --> 00:05:53,190 of it. And I might get away. Lucky. Bought a shark? Vacuum 99 00:05:53,190 --> 00:05:53,760 robot. 100 00:05:54,870 --> 00:05:57,510 Oh, like a like a Roomba? Yeah, 101 00:05:57,540 --> 00:05:59,940 yeah. Except this shark who actually known for vacuum 102 00:05:59,940 --> 00:06:00,480 cleaners. 103 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,640 Instead of VC cab venture cafe. Yeah, that idea? I guess. 104 00:06:06,510 --> 00:06:09,150 And it's just it's so mind boggling what these things can 105 00:06:09,150 --> 00:06:11,100 do with light thing as Lidar 106 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,700 is okay, so you want to tell me if they're better now? I had 107 00:06:14,700 --> 00:06:18,870 one, uh, probably six, seven years? No, as probably eight 108 00:06:18,870 --> 00:06:23,670 years ago. And it was it was okay. But then it was like, as 109 00:06:23,670 --> 00:06:27,510 long as your floors had were absolutely level, no 110 00:06:27,510 --> 00:06:33,120 obstructions. Clear. Nothing. No rugs. Like if anything got in 111 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,550 its way. It was like it just it was just like, No, I'm done. 112 00:06:35,850 --> 00:06:37,020 Right. There's a better now. 113 00:06:37,049 --> 00:06:39,749 So of course you got it for the same reason I got it because we 114 00:06:39,749 --> 00:06:44,279 have dog white dogs, big white shedding dogs. And so we have 115 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:48,239 polished concrete throughout the entire house with no. What do 116 00:06:48,239 --> 00:06:53,639 you call them? I know the Dutch word dimple, you know where the 117 00:06:53,639 --> 00:06:58,769 doorway is when you go from no threshold. Okay. But these new 118 00:06:58,769 --> 00:07:03,059 things. Okay, so first of all, very powerful vacuum cleaner. 119 00:07:04,259 --> 00:07:08,009 And this is a really good vacuum cleaner. Looks like your face 120 00:07:08,009 --> 00:07:12,749 off in a second in a heartbeat. It has LIDAR so you know, which 121 00:07:12,749 --> 00:07:15,779 is a radar. It's basically like what you have on adaptive cruise 122 00:07:15,779 --> 00:07:20,639 control. So it's it's very has, I think four sensors. It has two 123 00:07:21,059 --> 00:07:25,469 rubberized track, you know, heavy tread wheels, but it has 124 00:07:25,469 --> 00:07:29,549 suspension. So when it hits the carpet, yeah. Oh, yeah. When it 125 00:07:29,549 --> 00:07:32,849 hits the carpet, it's like, it's like a hip hop, low rider pump. 126 00:07:33,089 --> 00:07:37,079 And it lifts one wheel up and go half and half. And I've seen 127 00:07:37,079 --> 00:07:41,819 this to pop. I've seen a bop over barstool bases. I've seen 128 00:07:41,819 --> 00:07:47,699 it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And it is very, it's quite, it's quite 129 00:07:47,699 --> 00:07:51,269 astounding. Really? Yeah, how good that is. And then this one 130 00:07:51,269 --> 00:07:54,749 goes back to his base as it should. And then once it's in 131 00:07:54,749 --> 00:07:59,729 the base, then it reverses thrust and blows all of the dust 132 00:07:59,729 --> 00:08:02,519 into the container of the bass. So you only have to empty the 133 00:08:02,519 --> 00:08:07,139 bass and not the not the actual vacuum itself is Victus very 134 00:08:07,139 --> 00:08:10,859 sophisticated. That is legit, man. Yeah. Now the problem is 135 00:08:10,889 --> 00:08:14,279 the Chinese have a map of my house. This is this was kind of 136 00:08:14,369 --> 00:08:17,219 annoying. So I've been trying I've been trying to stop all 137 00:08:17,219 --> 00:08:20,939 this stuff that the app is the worst is that the device itself 138 00:08:20,939 --> 00:08:24,029 is not so bad. But the ad the companion app Oh my goodness. 139 00:08:24,869 --> 00:08:29,129 This is so bad. It won't even run on graphene. Graphene like 140 00:08:29,129 --> 00:08:31,109 now threat vector threat vector. 141 00:08:31,830 --> 00:08:36,480 If you look at the pothole, to see what all its own cons Mm 142 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:36,870 hmm. 143 00:08:37,050 --> 00:08:42,690 Yeah. So I haven't segregated on on but you know, it's still just 144 00:08:42,690 --> 00:08:45,570 my IP address alone. So they know kind of where we are and 145 00:08:45,570 --> 00:08:48,930 they'll know the zip code. And and obviously the the company 146 00:08:48,930 --> 00:08:53,430 continues to ask me to register your address Come on. 147 00:08:54,900 --> 00:08:58,470 That when they send the EMP to your house that they can, like 148 00:08:58,470 --> 00:09:00,600 give you a heads up first they can let you know in the mail. 149 00:09:01,140 --> 00:09:06,420 That is coming. Exactly. With the hypersonic the hypersonic 150 00:09:06,420 --> 00:09:07,680 missile or whatever. Yeah. 151 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:13,470 Yeah. Anyway, um, man, there's a lot of different things we need 152 00:09:13,470 --> 00:09:17,520 to talk about. The first thing maybe we can get into it with 153 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:21,930 this, Dave. So I know Stephen, there's been a lot of work going 154 00:09:21,930 --> 00:09:25,440 on. You've been doing a lot of work, and we need to get an 155 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,310 update on on on the latest developments, but I feel somehow 156 00:09:29,310 --> 00:09:35,340 it's connected to Stephen B. who posted yesterday. Yep. I'm just 157 00:09:35,340 --> 00:09:40,860 waiting for Adam to publish. No agenda before I refresh the 158 00:09:40,860 --> 00:09:45,240 code. And then I'm talking about the Kiro caster RSS generator. 159 00:09:46,140 --> 00:09:50,640 Also known as the the genie. The genie the genie do blaster. Yep. 160 00:09:50,670 --> 00:09:54,660 And I'm refreshing the code right now and I see we have a 161 00:09:54,660 --> 00:10:01,890 new category to fill out called Social Media Yep, so I saw in my 162 00:10:01,890 --> 00:10:05,370 feed today if I knew what I was doing, and if it made any sense, 163 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:09,900 I could add the following tags interaction link platform 164 00:10:09,900 --> 00:10:14,850 Platform account ID podcast URL for this platform priority and 165 00:10:14,850 --> 00:10:21,030 interaction publication date. Okay. That's for this episode. 166 00:10:21,660 --> 00:10:24,510 You can do this for the podcast, I think his platform Platform 167 00:10:24,510 --> 00:10:27,900 account ID platform, a podcast URL for this platform and 168 00:10:27,900 --> 00:10:32,250 priority. Let me pull up the namespace. I have no idea what I 169 00:10:32,250 --> 00:10:35,340 mean. I know what it's for. I think it doesn't matter. I want 170 00:10:35,340 --> 00:10:38,250 to fill it out. I'm excited. I want it. I want to, 171 00:10:38,579 --> 00:10:42,029 you know, Tom Rossi's role if you put a textbox somewhere, you 172 00:10:42,029 --> 00:10:43,469 got to put some in. Yes, of course. 173 00:10:43,499 --> 00:10:45,209 I can't have empty text boxes. 174 00:10:46,380 --> 00:10:49,890 Let me see. Let me I'm trying to pull up the 175 00:10:50,580 --> 00:10:52,110 now this is for comments. 176 00:10:52,860 --> 00:10:58,710 So sure. Yeah, yes. So well, it's that that was a little bit 177 00:10:58,710 --> 00:11:05,010 of the confusion. Is that where where's the social transcript 178 00:11:05,010 --> 00:11:10,020 value proposal and Docs, it may still be on Benjamin Bellamy's. 179 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,820 It's not even a thing yet. Word. We're jumping. Jumping back. 180 00:11:14,969 --> 00:11:16,739 Okay, that means a professor proposal 181 00:11:16,770 --> 00:11:18,030 proposal. I'm good, good, good. 182 00:11:18,719 --> 00:11:22,649 So Well, that was the that was the a little bit of confusion 183 00:11:22,649 --> 00:11:26,639 there this week was that so binge, you know, Benjamin over, 184 00:11:27,299 --> 00:11:35,189 cast upon deck gastropod. He had created a test sort of a test 185 00:11:35,789 --> 00:11:40,319 with his own one of his own personal podcasts. And he had 186 00:11:40,319 --> 00:11:43,319 put in the cross app commenting stuff. 187 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,720 Let's see. And it started working for Martin's special pod 188 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,520 friend test. Yeah, they 189 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:54,960 did sort of a, you know, a round robin. Yeah. Little thing 190 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,350 between the two of them. Yeah. In what what he that the the 191 00:11:58,350 --> 00:12:02,520 spec for the tag in to fill everybody in? The more time that 192 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:06,750 that the what we're talking about is cross app comments. And 193 00:12:06,750 --> 00:12:12,300 so you can create. Let me just back up now. I'll just leave, 194 00:12:12,330 --> 00:12:13,770 roll this from the back. Okay. All 195 00:12:13,770 --> 00:12:17,760 right. So great way for me to intro sorry, I failed, let's 196 00:12:19,470 --> 00:12:21,690 just realize that some people have no clue what we're talking 197 00:12:21,690 --> 00:12:26,580 about. It's this, the idea is that there will be what we're 198 00:12:26,610 --> 00:12:31,530 what we're targeting is the ability for the comments that go 199 00:12:31,530 --> 00:12:38,010 along with a podcast episode to live with the podcaster or 200 00:12:38,010 --> 00:12:40,860 something that's under their control, rather than being 201 00:12:40,860 --> 00:12:45,210 delegated to a third party social media site. So instead of 202 00:12:45,270 --> 00:12:49,710 instead of saying, Here's my, here's my podcast episode, I 203 00:12:49,710 --> 00:12:54,060 just published it. And you post that to Facebook, or Twitter, 204 00:12:54,210 --> 00:13:00,330 and you have a bunch of replies there. This is you have a social 205 00:13:00,330 --> 00:13:03,720 network that is activity pub compliant activity pub being the 206 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:04,710 spec we're using. So 207 00:13:04,710 --> 00:13:08,580 in essence, if you're using activity pub and how a podcaster 208 00:13:08,580 --> 00:13:13,020 uses that will get to you have your own little social use it to 209 00:13:13,020 --> 00:13:16,530 a degree have your own little social network mechanism just 210 00:13:16,530 --> 00:13:17,640 for that podcast. 211 00:13:18,540 --> 00:13:23,340 Yeah. Yeah. So like if you are on let's say that your that you 212 00:13:23,340 --> 00:13:28,260 run a mastodon instance, that you you run your own Mastodon, 213 00:13:28,260 --> 00:13:35,070 you could post on that Mastodon, and then link to the post and 214 00:13:35,070 --> 00:13:40,470 within your episode using this tag, and then when people reply, 215 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:48,270 they would be replying to that to that post on either either 216 00:13:48,270 --> 00:13:52,590 their own Mastodon or another mass or another activity pub 217 00:13:52,590 --> 00:13:56,520 compliant like Pleroma, or something like that. Or they 218 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,850 could set up an account on your system and reply there. Got it. 219 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:03,900 So no matter what the replies are under the replies and all 220 00:14:03,900 --> 00:14:06,390 the moderation of all the commenting is under your 221 00:14:06,390 --> 00:14:12,600 control. Right? Then one in the beauty of that is is not just 222 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,960 the decentralized, keep control aspect of it, that is one of the 223 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:21,990 big ones. But the other big benefit to that is that it's an 224 00:14:21,990 --> 00:14:26,610 open. It's an open spec. So meaning in this context that 225 00:14:27,660 --> 00:14:33,510 when you reveal where that post is the URI of that post location 226 00:14:33,510 --> 00:14:39,120 with an activity pub in point, everybody else can see it, 227 00:14:39,270 --> 00:14:42,300 meaning everybody else meaning apps, all the other apps can see 228 00:14:42,300 --> 00:14:48,990 that and they can show the post. So they will be able to like it. 229 00:14:49,110 --> 00:14:55,290 If if, if we post this tag with a comment with a with a link to 230 00:14:55,290 --> 00:15:00,330 sort of the root comment or the root pose on purpose. guessed 231 00:15:00,330 --> 00:15:05,160 index dot social, then that will be in the feed. Now all the apps 232 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:09,930 can see that endpoint. And they can show all the comments. 233 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,810 Right, right, because all the comments or at least all the 234 00:15:12,810 --> 00:15:18,360 ones that are marked public. So and then they will also be able 235 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:25,050 to see that, here's the, here's the interaction point on the 236 00:15:25,050 --> 00:15:29,520 mastodon, or wherever this thing is, for aren't for us, it would 237 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,340 be podcast index dot social, they'd be able to see that URI, 238 00:15:32,670 --> 00:15:38,880 and then they would know how to interact with that post so that 239 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:43,110 they can also add comments to it. That that's what we're 240 00:15:43,110 --> 00:15:43,950 talking about. 241 00:15:44,010 --> 00:15:46,890 Right? And, and so I'm, I'm actually quite proud of 242 00:15:46,890 --> 00:15:49,950 everybody adhering to the, to the to the agreement is like, 243 00:15:49,950 --> 00:15:52,320 hey, if there's an implementation, we go for that. 244 00:15:53,130 --> 00:15:55,740 And we have an implementation. I mean, people have been waiting 245 00:15:55,740 --> 00:15:58,920 for other things. There's matrix is still hovering out there with 246 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,910 breeze. But now this we have a, an end to end we are at least 247 00:16:02,940 --> 00:16:07,140 partial partial completion of a full proof of concept. 248 00:16:08,250 --> 00:16:12,990 Yeah. And so that only see, then they have found it here. Yes. So 249 00:16:12,990 --> 00:16:17,880 that's the in this goes back to this age old thing that we've 250 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,400 been talking about, and and going back and forth about which 251 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:26,070 is the difference between comments and chat. Because 252 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,580 they're not, they're fundamentally, they're 253 00:16:29,580 --> 00:16:32,400 fundamentally different in the way that in conceptually they're 254 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:38,700 different. Is this. So Steven? On the spec, 255 00:16:38,730 --> 00:16:43,470 Mr. Steven Pete, Steven B, put this in, I presume, with the 256 00:16:43,470 --> 00:16:47,310 idea that I should fill it out. And something should work for 257 00:16:47,310 --> 00:16:51,720 this episode, or my are we on the gun here? No, no, 258 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,960 no, this No, that's right. So the idea here would be that we 259 00:16:54,960 --> 00:17:01,560 would put in the relevant links linkage linkage here in this 260 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:08,880 tag. So that this would go live and be able to be seen as sort 261 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:12,090 of a a test. Okay, so it's a bit it's a beta, 262 00:17:12,149 --> 00:17:19,889 so. Okay, James Cridland. So when we publish this today, 263 00:17:19,889 --> 00:17:21,839 it'll have this information filled out, it'll be in the 264 00:17:21,839 --> 00:17:25,649 feed. It should, okay, I have no idea what to put in their 265 00:17:26,459 --> 00:17:29,519 platform. I'll just put platform let me see Facebook, for the 266 00:17:29,519 --> 00:17:30,179 love of God. 267 00:17:30,180 --> 00:17:33,000 If I guess on a spec, I would actually tell you what Platform 268 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:34,200 account ID 269 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,810 I don't know. Let's just do Adam curry QA. 270 00:17:39,810 --> 00:17:42,660 Let's see. So that's one of the things that messed this up from 271 00:17:43,470 --> 00:17:46,860 a while ago. Was that okay, circling back back to the 272 00:17:46,860 --> 00:17:52,350 beginning of this conversation was that when Benjamin put in 273 00:17:52,380 --> 00:17:57,390 these tags, he put them he put them in as sort of the old 274 00:17:57,390 --> 00:18:02,340 original tag that we had developed, which was podcast in 275 00:18:02,340 --> 00:18:07,770 the namespace, which was podcast colon comments. That, but that 276 00:18:07,770 --> 00:18:15,240 was changed to podcast colon social. And so he just put it in 277 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,550 there because I think it because it was simpler. And we didn't 278 00:18:17,550 --> 00:18:20,610 have a fully fleshed out social spec at the time. Okay. But this 279 00:18:20,610 --> 00:18:22,830 is something that we can then build on from here that we can 280 00:18:22,830 --> 00:18:24,510 lock this in. If it works. Yeah. 281 00:18:24,930 --> 00:18:27,870 Yes, a podcast social is the way to actual is the proper way to 282 00:18:27,870 --> 00:18:31,890 do it. And we that'll that'll be what we're doing. And that's 283 00:18:31,890 --> 00:18:37,290 what, that's what Stephen put in. Got it. Yeah. And so that it 284 00:18:37,290 --> 00:18:40,830 was a little confusing, because the tags didn't match. But we're 285 00:18:40,830 --> 00:18:46,980 do the yes, we'll do that. And then, I mean, it'll be fairly 286 00:18:46,980 --> 00:18:49,320 uneventful to start with, because 287 00:18:50,190 --> 00:18:53,550 it'll only kind of show up on the on podcast, index, social 288 00:18:53,550 --> 00:18:56,250 where people can interact there, but it won't really it just look 289 00:18:56,250 --> 00:18:57,960 like a mastodon thread. 290 00:18:58,379 --> 00:19:02,609 Yeah. So that's that that's what the idea would be is that 291 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:03,930 that surfaced in the app. 292 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,670 Eventually, this, this will, this will be there. And it will 293 00:19:08,670 --> 00:19:15,840 exist. So that people developers can can write code against it 294 00:19:15,870 --> 00:19:17,610 and see what it looks like in their apps. Yeah, 295 00:19:17,610 --> 00:19:20,820 right now we're broadcasting and we got no radios. 296 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:22,410 Yeah, exactly. 297 00:19:24,390 --> 00:19:26,310 Yeah, all right. Cool. I love that. 298 00:19:27,510 --> 00:19:30,240 So I mean, we'll give it a shot. I mean, this May. Yeah. Just 299 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,700 made totally fail. But I mean, we'll, we'll talk 300 00:19:32,700 --> 00:19:35,610 about how cool is it to be able to test this on the fly. 301 00:19:36,570 --> 00:19:40,080 Yeah, and like the point with these things that I think you 302 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:44,070 have just got to go. You gotta go Yeah. So one thing that 303 00:19:44,070 --> 00:19:49,320 brought this to me to brought this to the point with me was 304 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:54,900 that Daniel J. Lewis spoke up on the on the mastodon and said, 305 00:19:55,410 --> 00:20:01,200 Well, you know, Hey, why are we pushing live so hard? When cross 306 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:08,910 app comments seems to be what more people want, and I agree 307 00:20:09,030 --> 00:20:13,140 and disagree at the same time, a point of personal privilege. 308 00:20:13,770 --> 00:20:15,270 Yes. recognized 309 00:20:15,510 --> 00:20:19,290 the way he actually said it was. Paul made that decision. 310 00:20:20,370 --> 00:20:24,360 Yes. Yes, that is the exact 311 00:20:24,360 --> 00:20:26,280 voice that I know I'm 312 00:20:27,330 --> 00:20:29,940 because I said hey, he said, Hey Siri dictate this. 313 00:20:30,659 --> 00:20:34,109 It's so it's actually very always jarring to me when I hear 314 00:20:34,109 --> 00:20:37,109 him and hear his real voice like God, that's not the voice I have 315 00:20:37,109 --> 00:20:42,269 in my head when I see him pose. But yeah, of course, he made a 316 00:20:42,269 --> 00:20:43,559 good point. And 317 00:20:44,580 --> 00:20:46,050 we died and put you in charge. And 318 00:20:46,050 --> 00:20:47,850 that's pretty much what I read. Yeah. 319 00:20:50,490 --> 00:20:54,090 Yeah, so we I was like, Well, you know, I agree and disagree. 320 00:20:54,090 --> 00:20:58,050 But, but why? So I laid out all the reasons why, why I 321 00:20:58,050 --> 00:21:00,060 disagreed. But then at the end, but did you 322 00:21:00,060 --> 00:21:04,020 do a SWOT analysis? What a SWOT analysis? 323 00:21:04,290 --> 00:21:05,340 What is that? Oh, you've 324 00:21:05,340 --> 00:21:10,290 never done that where you draw like a cross. And you do. Top 325 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:18,720 Top Left is s, top right is W, top, bottom left is O. And 326 00:21:19,290 --> 00:21:23,520 bottom right is T and as you write down your despod analysis 327 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:30,030 is gosh, I forgot the acronym is your strengths, weakness, a 328 00:21:30,030 --> 00:21:33,420 SWOT, I'm sorry, strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and 329 00:21:33,420 --> 00:21:37,290 threats. And then somehow you have that box there and you and 330 00:21:37,290 --> 00:21:41,910 you get a B, A B plus. Oh, I've never actually done it in any 331 00:21:41,910 --> 00:21:44,790 business making decisions. That's what you were taught. 332 00:21:45,180 --> 00:21:51,030 Is this like the the Dwight Eisenhower quadrant list or 333 00:21:51,030 --> 00:21:54,240 what? You know that one, where it's like, stuff this important, 334 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,660 but not an emergency stuff? This an emergency? Oh, you mean, 335 00:21:57,660 --> 00:22:02,100 like GTD get things done? Yeah, yeah. Well, it's very, it's 336 00:22:02,100 --> 00:22:05,070 taught in like early, early business school classes like 337 00:22:05,070 --> 00:22:07,590 strength, weakness, opportunity and threats. This is how you 338 00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:09,270 determine if you should go down this path. 339 00:22:09,869 --> 00:22:13,889 So that that's what you pay. That's what you pay. $80,000 for 340 00:22:13,889 --> 00:22:18,719 MBA? Yeah, exactly. I guess. Yeah. But now as I was like, 341 00:22:18,719 --> 00:22:23,009 Well, you know that? Oh, I found it. Hallelujah. I finally found 342 00:22:23,009 --> 00:22:27,119 i You found the the spec, but the spec. Yes. So and we can we 343 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:32,489 can look at this. But yeah, I was like, you know, that my own 344 00:22:32,489 --> 00:22:36,299 quirk is that I like to bring things up to a certain level of, 345 00:22:36,689 --> 00:22:41,159 of usability or, or I conceptual, whatever, 346 00:22:41,159 --> 00:22:46,649 conceptuality. If that's a word, rather than just having them be 347 00:22:46,649 --> 00:22:50,699 just words on a piece of paper. So I hate having this thing that 348 00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:54,089 like this really cool idea of live out here, just sitting 349 00:22:54,089 --> 00:22:58,139 there just being some words, and not actually having anything 350 00:22:58,139 --> 00:23:01,169 fleshed out of it at all. I wanted to bring it up to sort of 351 00:23:01,169 --> 00:23:06,839 a minimum conceptual quality before moving on to before 352 00:23:06,839 --> 00:23:09,689 slipping back to comments, because comments had already 353 00:23:09,689 --> 00:23:12,629 come so far that I knew we could kind of push it over the finish 354 00:23:12,629 --> 00:23:16,979 line, quote, unquote, finish line. Oh, you know, fairly 355 00:23:17,069 --> 00:23:21,299 easily. So. But that, but that's just a quirk on my account. And 356 00:23:21,299 --> 00:23:24,989 he's right, ultimately, that cross app comments does benefit 357 00:23:24,989 --> 00:23:27,659 more people and is probably the bigger one that everybody wants. 358 00:23:27,929 --> 00:23:31,349 So I'm like, Well, you know, let's just me let's let's, let's 359 00:23:31,349 --> 00:23:33,749 focus on that a bit. Let's try to let's try to get this thing 360 00:23:33,749 --> 00:23:34,019 done. 361 00:23:34,050 --> 00:23:38,340 There's your answer. Daniel J. Somebody died and made Dave 362 00:23:38,340 --> 00:23:38,760 King. 363 00:23:39,150 --> 00:23:40,380 Yeah, yeah, over. 364 00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:45,180 Here we are. And here we are doing cross comments. Perfect. 365 00:23:45,540 --> 00:23:46,680 I'm happy with all of it. 366 00:23:48,540 --> 00:23:56,310 Yeah, so the the social spec defines a few tags, few sort of 367 00:23:56,310 --> 00:24:03,300 sub tags as well. And the, the main root element there, the pod 368 00:24:03,330 --> 00:24:08,340 is podcast, colon social. And, oh, I'll just read it. It says 369 00:24:08,370 --> 00:24:12,480 this element allows a podcaster to specify one or many platforms 370 00:24:12,750 --> 00:24:16,170 where listeners can interact. There may be several occurrences 371 00:24:16,170 --> 00:24:20,970 of this tag for the same element on several platforms. So you can 372 00:24:20,970 --> 00:24:25,740 have you know, you publish your episode. And within that 373 00:24:25,740 --> 00:24:30,030 episode, that item tag as a sub tag, you have podcast podcasts 374 00:24:30,030 --> 00:24:33,720 social, you can have multiple so you can have a podcast social 375 00:24:34,410 --> 00:24:38,880 pointing to Facebook, when to Twitter Oh, really want? Yes, 376 00:24:38,909 --> 00:24:41,549 yeah. And it'll create a post. 377 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,330 Well, the idea would be that you create the post first and then 378 00:24:45,330 --> 00:24:48,600 link it over here. I see. Okay, but then, you know, but the 379 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,020 platform itself should help you do that. Yeah, got it. Yeah, we 380 00:24:52,020 --> 00:24:55,830 like registering an app or whatever. Yeah, exactly. And 381 00:24:55,830 --> 00:25:01,860 then, so you can have multiples and one of the attributes in 382 00:25:01,860 --> 00:25:05,550 this tag is platform. So you'd have podcast, colon social 383 00:25:05,580 --> 00:25:10,560 platform equals. And in this case for us for this test would 384 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,940 be activity pub. Platform equals activity pub, all lowercase. 385 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,740 Yes, so there'd be a slug list for this holds the different the 386 00:25:19,740 --> 00:25:23,040 different wiring bubbles. Yeah, and like one of them is, is 387 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,800 jabber in this in this preliminary spec, and we need to 388 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:33,120 change that to x and PP. Um, so then that's, that's sort of the 389 00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:39,240 root of the root tag. And then you have a sub tag underneath 390 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:43,410 that this podcast colon social sign up. Yeah, this element 391 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,560 allows, allows to make easy onboarding for listeners on 392 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,980 social discussion platforms, especially for decentralized 393 00:25:49,980 --> 00:25:53,250 ones such as matrix or activity pub. So you have a home URL 394 00:25:53,250 --> 00:25:57,690 property a signup URL. So that would allow people to point you 395 00:25:57,690 --> 00:26:00,210 can appoint a user to where they need to go to create an account 396 00:26:00,210 --> 00:26:01,380 in order to leave a comment. 397 00:26:01,410 --> 00:26:05,310 Okay, cool. Yeah, that's that's included in curio casters, Jenny 398 00:26:05,310 --> 00:26:06,090 as well, I see. 399 00:26:06,780 --> 00:26:12,360 Okay, and the final sub element here is social interact. So 400 00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:15,810 podcast, Colin's social interact, says this element 401 00:26:15,810 --> 00:26:22,320 allows listeners to interact with an episode. In then is, so 402 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:28,920 you have a property in there for platform again, podcast account 403 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:35,130 ID, the podcast ID on this platform, update priority and 404 00:26:35,130 --> 00:26:44,340 elements content. So that is see. Let me look at the go and 405 00:26:44,340 --> 00:26:47,580 look at this attribute. So social media, social, social 406 00:26:47,580 --> 00:26:53,100 activity, and social interact. I'm sorry. That looks it looks 407 00:26:53,100 --> 00:26:57,660 like that's a way to pull actually pull in content. But I 408 00:26:57,660 --> 00:27:00,030 don't know how to get out to check with Benjamin to see why 409 00:27:00,030 --> 00:27:00,810 that's necessary. 410 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,710 Okay. Now, this is exciting. So this this shit might actually 411 00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:05,190 work? 412 00:27:05,610 --> 00:27:08,760 Yeah, it's possible. It was. 413 00:27:09,659 --> 00:27:11,879 I love it. This is great, man. This is great. 414 00:27:11,909 --> 00:27:15,119 Oh, wait, you're asking, What are you doing this, the the pot 415 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,509 this the Interact is where you is the point is the actual 416 00:27:18,509 --> 00:27:22,349 pointer. Okay, that's what we need, we need, what we need is, 417 00:27:22,919 --> 00:27:26,579 let's talk we're gonna need all of these, the the social route, 418 00:27:26,579 --> 00:27:32,909 sort of top level parent element holds the actual, it just sets 419 00:27:32,909 --> 00:27:35,999 up a context in which you're going to point for a sign up and 420 00:27:35,999 --> 00:27:40,349 an interaction. Okay, those two things being the ones we need. 421 00:27:40,349 --> 00:27:41,729 So I don't know. I mean, we'll try it. 422 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,750 My head hurts just a little bit. I have just a little bit of 423 00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:47,910 twinge on the left hand left temple. 424 00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:53,069 So my biggest my biggest question with this is, I'm not 425 00:27:53,069 --> 00:28:02,129 sure. Where to, like, I'm not sure where to point the NT 426 00:28:02,129 --> 00:28:09,089 social interact. At, I'm not sure what URL to use a think 427 00:28:10,019 --> 00:28:14,339 that I can pull this status, or the I think I can just pull the 428 00:28:14,339 --> 00:28:20,849 status URL for the route post. And then we put that in there. 429 00:28:20,849 --> 00:28:25,379 And then that gives gives it what it needs. But I can't tell 430 00:28:25,379 --> 00:28:27,809 from his example because they rolled their own activity pub 431 00:28:27,809 --> 00:28:31,379 into cast upon, right. So I'm not sure how that's going to, 432 00:28:31,650 --> 00:28:36,960 of course, is French they always have to do something weird. Have 433 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,490 you ever driven a French car? 434 00:28:39,389 --> 00:28:42,419 I've seen the ones that are like they have like three wheels or 435 00:28:42,419 --> 00:28:42,719 some? 436 00:28:43,530 --> 00:28:49,080 Oh, yes. Well, I know a bit. The Citroen Davao? 437 00:28:49,679 --> 00:28:51,029 Oh, you said you used to have one of 438 00:28:51,030 --> 00:28:53,550 the I did. We've talked about that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah. 439 00:28:53,670 --> 00:29:00,030 Yeah. Yeah, they do everything weird to three speed with a, a 440 00:29:00,030 --> 00:29:03,210 rod through the dashboard that actually, you know, was 441 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,150 mechanically connected to the gearshift on the engine. 442 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,600 That's essentially what this is. Yeah, that's what it feels like. 443 00:29:11,460 --> 00:29:13,890 Okay, well, what's your 444 00:29:13,890 --> 00:29:14,820 eyes? Try it and see if it works. 445 00:29:14,850 --> 00:29:18,390 Of course. Of course. I'm excited. This is very cool. All 446 00:29:18,390 --> 00:29:18,570 right. I 447 00:29:18,570 --> 00:29:23,490 fully expect. I expect this. Steven Bay will probably have 448 00:29:23,700 --> 00:29:26,700 comments showing, of course, the end of the day. 449 00:29:26,730 --> 00:29:29,460 Yeah, but he's already got it all baked in. No doubt. He's 450 00:29:29,460 --> 00:29:34,950 just like, oh, big reveal. That works. Okay. Excellent. Well, 451 00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:38,070 you know, since since we're talking about namespace, and if 452 00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:41,790 you want to if anyone wants to learn more about the cross 453 00:29:41,790 --> 00:29:49,380 comments, certainly. Benjamin Bellamy, the CEO of doula. Yeah, 454 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,090 I don't think that's how you pronounce that's how 455 00:29:51,090 --> 00:29:55,920 I pronounce it. That's the the company that is developing Casta 456 00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,390 pod. He was on pod land. Very good. Very good interview. That 457 00:30:00,390 --> 00:30:03,420 was a great interview, and I want to play a clip from it. 458 00:30:03,420 --> 00:30:07,710 Because what I like the most is something that is something 459 00:30:07,710 --> 00:30:12,390 I've, I always feel, and I want people to recognize it. Because 460 00:30:12,390 --> 00:30:15,690 you know, we're such a we have such a culture in general of 461 00:30:15,780 --> 00:30:18,750 instant gratification, you know, it's like, is it working yet? 462 00:30:19,050 --> 00:30:24,840 And no, just this is a lot of enthusiasm, a lot of energy, but 463 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:29,490 things do take time. And podcasting 1.0 It was just kind 464 00:30:29,490 --> 00:30:32,310 of taking off, when we got Twitter, we got Facebook, we got 465 00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:35,460 YouTube, YouTube was really the one that that just did, 466 00:30:35,460 --> 00:30:39,600 podcasting was still under the radar, growing it maybe five or 467 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:44,250 7% per year, very, very slow. Until all of a sudden, we had 468 00:30:44,250 --> 00:30:48,000 the Serial podcast, which came at, you know, these you can't, 469 00:30:48,510 --> 00:30:51,600 you can't engineer these types of things. But there will be a 470 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:56,340 serial of podcasting 2.0 And it may not be a podcast, but there 471 00:30:56,370 --> 00:31:00,450 there will be a moment when things take off. And it was fun 472 00:31:00,450 --> 00:31:08,310 to hear. Sam, you know, basically saying, hey, you know, 473 00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:10,200 do you think any of this is ever going to work? I mean, it's 474 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,680 taken forever? I'm paraphrasing. Luckily, I put this question. 475 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:14,760 There, we 476 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:20,700 have 10 Very quick new tags for helping with discoverability. 477 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,360 The problem, I guess, right now, Benjamin is that most people, 478 00:31:24,570 --> 00:31:28,350 and most clients aren't supporting all 10, or even half 479 00:31:28,350 --> 00:31:34,440 of these. So how do we get the industry to embrace more of 480 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,680 these tanks? I have to say, I totally disagree with you on 481 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:43,830 that one. Because a year ago, none of that existed, none. 482 00:31:43,980 --> 00:31:50,370 There was no tag, no hosting company, no player. It's been 483 00:31:50,370 --> 00:31:55,620 very recent. And actually, the amount of work and the number of 484 00:31:55,620 --> 00:31:59,820 people and company who joined the movement is astonishing. A 485 00:31:59,820 --> 00:32:04,680 year ago, we joined the movement from not the very beginning, but 486 00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:12,690 not long after. And I I wasn't dreaming of what's the position 487 00:32:12,690 --> 00:32:17,730 that we are in today. I think it's a tremendous move forward, 488 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:24,150 keeping the podcasting ecosystem open. And also making it as 489 00:32:24,150 --> 00:32:30,510 pleasant for the both the podcasters and the listeners. If 490 00:32:30,510 --> 00:32:35,550 you go to new podcast apps.com, you will see all the platforms 491 00:32:35,550 --> 00:32:41,250 and players that are using these. And I think that they are 492 00:32:41,250 --> 00:32:47,370 many of them. Of course, if you are a big company, we won't 493 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:52,320 expect you to embed these new tags that some of them are like 494 00:32:52,350 --> 00:32:58,440 two months old, and to put them in production right away. And 495 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:03,270 maybe some of them will be forgotten. Not all of them will 496 00:33:03,270 --> 00:33:08,340 be used. We don't know that for now. But the what was 497 00:33:08,340 --> 00:33:11,880 accomplished here is really encouraging. 498 00:33:12,990 --> 00:33:15,780 So I like a couple things. I really liked that he just said 499 00:33:15,780 --> 00:33:21,210 hold on a second. Look at what we've achieved. In Helya Alya, 500 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,990 look at what has been achieved everybody. Pat yourself on the 501 00:33:24,990 --> 00:33:30,480 back. Yeah, totally. And second, whenever a Frenchman talks about 502 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:35,550 joining a movement that shits real. So I love that Benjamin. 503 00:33:35,550 --> 00:33:36,300 Merci beaucoup. 504 00:33:37,140 --> 00:33:42,450 Yes, that I totally agree. I think I've been trying to come 505 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,990 we're in a phase right now. And I don't know what phase of a 506 00:33:46,740 --> 00:33:51,240 you've got these charts out there that show you like, you 507 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,020 know, talking about like this acceptance curve or where you 508 00:33:55,020 --> 00:34:01,980 have invention, adoption, acceptance, like I forgot the 509 00:34:02,190 --> 00:34:05,820 all the terms. You know what I'm talking about? I think, 510 00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:09,690 I don't know, I know what you're what you're talking about. I 511 00:34:09,690 --> 00:34:11,010 don't know what it's called. Yeah. 512 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:17,520 Yeah. Whatever chart that we're on. There's a phase where in 513 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,120 that I'm not entirely sure how to describe it. But I know what 514 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:27,660 it is and in practice, and this is the point where we've created 515 00:34:27,660 --> 00:34:36,720 a lot of things. And what is going to get the adoption is not 516 00:34:39,660 --> 00:34:44,370 is not really a technical issue anymore. Correct? Correct. It's 517 00:34:45,210 --> 00:34:50,040 this sort of the hard work phase where a lot of the things that I 518 00:34:50,100 --> 00:34:55,050 that I do on a regular basis is I have phone calls with people. 519 00:34:55,890 --> 00:34:59,970 I talk to podcasting hosts hosting companies that call and 520 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,010 They did set up zoom meetings and stuff with me. For a while 521 00:35:05,010 --> 00:35:07,890 there's a one on one a week, at least. And 522 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,740 well, you are after all, the pod 523 00:35:10,740 --> 00:35:15,180 sage was, of course, as an audience 524 00:35:15,210 --> 00:35:17,460 with the sage is is always welcome. 525 00:35:17,850 --> 00:35:21,180 Yeah, they have to climb a few 1000 stairs to get here and we 526 00:35:21,180 --> 00:35:28,740 call over zoom. But they, you know, they call in and ask about 527 00:35:28,830 --> 00:35:31,950 the tags and about what they do and which ones they should 528 00:35:31,950 --> 00:35:36,360 prioritize and that kind of thing. So that's really where 529 00:35:37,170 --> 00:35:40,530 were they this phase of things is it's like, okay, you made a 530 00:35:40,530 --> 00:35:44,520 bunch of stuff. Now you got to go and talk to a lot of people 531 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:49,860 who are busy. And they recognize the importance of it. But they 532 00:35:49,860 --> 00:35:53,460 really need it just boiled down and explained to them. And you 533 00:35:53,460 --> 00:35:55,800 got to go out and do some evangelism. That's what Podcast 534 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,650 Movement was about, and all these kinds of things. So that's 535 00:35:59,070 --> 00:36:02,310 the phase we're in right now is, is the technical work still goes 536 00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:05,970 on in the background. But we're also in sort of a social 537 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,210 political phase where you have to just reach out and do the 538 00:36:09,210 --> 00:36:14,160 legwork and put, put in the handshake time to talk to people 539 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:15,300 and get them up to speed. 540 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:20,700 With that in mind, I'd like to highlight for the board a 541 00:36:20,700 --> 00:36:25,170 problem that I foresee, and we have a problem with transcripts. 542 00:36:25,350 --> 00:36:28,470 And if we don't do something about it, we're gonna fuck it 543 00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:34,200 up. Oh, well, yeah. So in listening to a lot of the, you 544 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,010 know, like pod news and pod land, and stuff that has been 545 00:36:38,010 --> 00:36:44,790 written, it appears that a lot of there's a lot of companies 546 00:36:44,820 --> 00:36:48,360 and some hosting companies, I believe, I'm not sure. But 547 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:54,690 there's a lot of work being done by companies who are looking to 548 00:36:54,690 --> 00:37:00,840 be recommendation engines or relevancy, or organizations 549 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:06,600 that, that find podcasts that are valid or relevant to certain 550 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:11,490 advertisers. But I think a lot a lot of just a couple of people 551 00:37:11,490 --> 00:37:14,910 I've been hearing about, well, we're using transcripts to find 552 00:37:15,150 --> 00:37:18,360 relevant stuff, whether it's for advertising, whether it's for 553 00:37:19,110 --> 00:37:22,500 recommendations, doesn't matter, I'm fine with all of it. But 554 00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:26,010 what I'm not fine with is we have everybody doing their own 555 00:37:26,010 --> 00:37:29,940 fucking thing. It really pisses me off. And, and it pissed me 556 00:37:29,940 --> 00:37:33,330 off the most and not I'm not in a bad way towards towards 557 00:37:33,330 --> 00:37:37,830 fountain. But so I finally got fountain working on my phone, it 558 00:37:37,830 --> 00:37:42,630 was DNS as usual. And, yeah, and, and, you know, I want to I 559 00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:46,110 wanted to see this really cool clipping system. So I hit 560 00:37:46,110 --> 00:37:54,480 transcript. And, and having just spoken to, to Oscar, I knew that 561 00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:57,840 it was now being processed by some other company. So you know, 562 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,210 I'm just seeing a spinning wheel. I'm like, Well, this 563 00:38:00,210 --> 00:38:02,970 sucks. This could take an hour, I know how long it takes to 564 00:38:02,970 --> 00:38:07,920 transcribe, it was no agenda, three and a half hour show. So 565 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,590 it's gonna take forever, and it never never showed up, you know, 566 00:38:10,590 --> 00:38:13,350 I killed the app and went back and just never showed up. Now 567 00:38:13,350 --> 00:38:15,600 that we talked about it with him. And he said, the reason 568 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,330 that they're they're doing their system, which I like a lot for 569 00:38:18,330 --> 00:38:22,620 the clipping is they have per what per word timecode, which 570 00:38:22,620 --> 00:38:25,920 enables them to basically show you know, you just highlight the 571 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,740 words and and the system does the rest of the clipping 572 00:38:28,770 --> 00:38:31,500 brilliant, I love it. There more people doing it, I think it's a 573 00:38:31,500 --> 00:38:35,730 great way to do it. But instead of them going off and doing it, 574 00:38:35,970 --> 00:38:38,970 you know, paying some company to do it, instead of five other 575 00:38:38,970 --> 00:38:42,030 companies taking the same fucking con, I'm sorry, I just 576 00:38:42,030 --> 00:38:46,380 got to square the same content and making their own transcript. 577 00:38:46,410 --> 00:38:51,120 It's I hate it. It makes me mad. And I want. So first, I think we 578 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,150 need to recognize this is happening. And if someone is 579 00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:58,410 doing that, say, why don't you check, because we have this tag, 580 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,110 and you may not have to do the work. Because there's a 581 00:39:01,110 --> 00:39:05,040 transcript already sitting there ready for you. And to let's set 582 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:10,740 the standard. And if if maybe we all agree it should be per word 583 00:39:10,980 --> 00:39:14,250 timecode. So that, you know we can satisfy all these other 584 00:39:14,250 --> 00:39:18,300 great ideas and help people because wood is going to be a 585 00:39:18,300 --> 00:39:22,680 nightmare with transcripts. I'm crying. 586 00:39:26,670 --> 00:39:31,470 And I'm not I'm not as worked up about it as you would say 587 00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:35,160 because the people who are doing the trend, so like Oscar he 588 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:36,990 needs he needs that. 589 00:39:37,650 --> 00:39:41,880 Right? But I tell Oscar tell me where I can get what you need. 590 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,780 And I'll just publish it that way. Instead of him paying money 591 00:39:45,780 --> 00:39:48,930 to have that done and people waiting around with a 592 00:39:48,930 --> 00:39:51,450 transcript. I want to provide that to you. 593 00:39:51,870 --> 00:39:54,810 But the other the other people who are doing that like rolling 594 00:39:54,810 --> 00:39:58,500 their own transcript engine things. They're all the big 595 00:39:59,070 --> 00:40:01,680 hint. They're all the big ones. that aren't going to get not 596 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,990 invented here syndrome anyway, they're never gonna but 597 00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:08,670 I Okay, that's fine, but I still want to make the plea. Okay. I 598 00:40:08,670 --> 00:40:08,970 mean is 599 00:40:08,970 --> 00:40:16,110 that sounds like what your plea pleading for is, is the best 600 00:40:16,140 --> 00:40:18,780 sort of the not least common denominator, the greatest common 601 00:40:18,780 --> 00:40:23,010 denominator? If that's the right way to say it is like, Okay, if 602 00:40:23,580 --> 00:40:26,910 whatever, whatever is the most specific thing out there that 603 00:40:26,910 --> 00:40:30,120 someone could possibly need. That's the thing we need to do 604 00:40:30,420 --> 00:40:33,420 in order to meet the most people's needs across the board. 605 00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:37,770 You know, you right, I think now that I know that I consider it. 606 00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:42,210 I believe I get angry for a different reason. I get angry 607 00:40:42,210 --> 00:40:44,820 because I hear interviews with people who are doing things 608 00:40:44,850 --> 00:40:48,300 transcripts, and no one is saying, Hey, did you know they 609 00:40:48,300 --> 00:40:53,310 already exist? And people who know this, and so maybe that's 610 00:40:53,310 --> 00:40:56,070 where my frustration comes from? It's like, oh, God, you're 611 00:40:56,070 --> 00:40:59,700 reinventing the wheel. I have a transcript right here. You can 612 00:40:59,700 --> 00:41:01,440 ingest it. It's good to go. 613 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,100 That, that that's this, these are, 614 00:41:05,370 --> 00:41:07,770 these aren't the big companies, all of them that you know, 615 00:41:07,770 --> 00:41:09,150 they're doing commercial stuff. 616 00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:11,910 No, yeah. No, I know what you're saying. So they're, they're 617 00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:16,110 doing commercial stuff. But I do wonder, though, see there again. 618 00:41:17,310 --> 00:41:21,150 There's ultimately there's ulterior motives there. And 619 00:41:21,150 --> 00:41:23,130 that's not the right way to say there's no it's not the right 620 00:41:23,130 --> 00:41:26,850 phrase. There's, there's other things driving that, besides 621 00:41:26,850 --> 00:41:30,390 expediency. So for Okay, here's a good example for one pod 622 00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:39,570 chaser. purchaser, we create the people tag, we created it, it 623 00:41:39,570 --> 00:41:44,430 meets exactly the needs that they that they have. They are a 624 00:41:44,430 --> 00:41:47,340 people discovery attribution engine. 625 00:41:48,930 --> 00:41:51,180 Okay, so they have their own their own thing. 626 00:41:51,540 --> 00:41:54,210 Well, they don't, they don't ingest the people tech, enough 627 00:41:54,210 --> 00:41:57,270 to have asked their this give me the person tag I've asked about 628 00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:59,310 I talked to him at Podcast Movement and that kind of thing. 629 00:41:59,790 --> 00:42:03,000 And, I mean, they know about it, they were they were there and 630 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,230 helped create it. I mean, they were part of the creation of the 631 00:42:07,230 --> 00:42:10,020 person tech. But they don't use it. 632 00:42:11,340 --> 00:42:14,460 Is there any technical reason why they wouldn't use that? 633 00:42:15,330 --> 00:42:17,430 Well, they don't, you know, they don't create, they would just be 634 00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:20,040 an ingestion point. So they don't ingest it. And that's what 635 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,470 I was talking to Cole about. I was like, Well, you know, this 636 00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:25,770 is perfect for you to take. And he said, Well, you know, 637 00:42:25,770 --> 00:42:29,730 ultimately we would have, we're gonna have to vet it any way. So 638 00:42:29,730 --> 00:42:32,880 we're gonna have to go through there and make sure that it's 639 00:42:33,210 --> 00:42:37,950 okay to put it all through our Mechanical Turk. Anyway, to make 640 00:42:37,950 --> 00:42:41,400 sure that is legit. And it is formatted the way we want it and 641 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,130 all this kind of stuff, and match it up with everybody else. 642 00:42:44,310 --> 00:42:46,890 Because if it's free form, and somebody puts in a you know, 643 00:42:46,890 --> 00:42:49,470 Adam curry, is that the same as Adam see curry and all this kind 644 00:42:49,470 --> 00:42:52,560 of stuff? Well, you know, okay, well, that's fine. I mean, they 645 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:57,060 get they've got a feel like even the small players have these 646 00:42:57,060 --> 00:43:02,160 motors, a lot of it driven by, let's just say the pressures of 647 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:07,680 VC money to show that they're, you know, building all these 648 00:43:07,980 --> 00:43:13,380 cool new things. I don't know, I think I think it's not all just, 649 00:43:14,340 --> 00:43:19,110 that's not exactly how it works. Having spent raised and spent VC 650 00:43:19,110 --> 00:43:22,860 money. That's not that's not really true. I feel pressure to 651 00:43:22,860 --> 00:43:27,660 show all these cool new things now. They don't no, no, no, 652 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:32,070 there's pressure, but it's very, it's it's not like that. Okay, 653 00:43:32,190 --> 00:43:37,890 it's ignorance. It's ignorance, and it's rude. So I can do 654 00:43:41,250 --> 00:43:44,520 this condemned, I mean, I, I'm always gonna back you up with 655 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:48,810 condemnation. I know. I know. I know. 656 00:43:48,900 --> 00:43:49,770 I know, your appreciate 657 00:43:49,770 --> 00:43:52,710 every you just condemned I condemn it. I condemn it. Good. 658 00:43:55,200 --> 00:44:00,030 Okay, well, anyway, I certainly would like to have fountain be a 659 00:44:00,030 --> 00:44:04,200 better experience. And so if I can, if someone could tell me a 660 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:08,610 Is there a problem if I start doing per word time codes? Is 661 00:44:08,610 --> 00:44:12,090 that a problem for everybody else's app? Likely? So let's get 662 00:44:12,090 --> 00:44:15,810 some feedback on that. Just the idea of using that as a standard 663 00:44:16,260 --> 00:44:21,960 I find compelling because it really the the clipping concept 664 00:44:22,170 --> 00:44:25,080 is dramatically improved. 665 00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:29,460 I'm looking at I'm going to look at our fader and now I wonder we 666 00:44:29,460 --> 00:44:31,950 don't have we don't have per word is that 667 00:44:31,950 --> 00:44:34,560 right? No, no, wait, no, we don't. We have per two 668 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:35,430 sentences. 669 00:44:35,970 --> 00:44:40,260 Well, me I think you can have per word in the same SRT format 670 00:44:40,650 --> 00:44:41,640 that you do 671 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,500 with whatever we have now, right? But does that mean that 672 00:44:46,500 --> 00:44:49,650 but that may mean that in pod friend for instance, it may show 673 00:44:49,650 --> 00:44:53,520 up word for word instead of sentence above sentence below 674 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,960 and then the next two sentences hmm, I don't know. I'm just that 675 00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:02,340 No, no, I don't think Okay, so then I need to have a so I'm 676 00:45:02,340 --> 00:45:07,260 using otter.ai and they don't do per word so I need someone to 677 00:45:07,260 --> 00:45:11,580 tell me where I can find out where to do that. Yeah. Because 678 00:45:11,580 --> 00:45:15,000 it's just so much cool and you know and Mitch may want to 679 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,110 consider that for pod verse that idea that basic concept he's got 680 00:45:19,140 --> 00:45:22,560 the clipping system per pod verse is phenomenal you know 681 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:27,600 we've got phone boy doing no agenda quotes, which has been 682 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,740 doing for years and years and years. And so now every no 683 00:45:31,740 --> 00:45:34,890 agenda quote that he that he posts, which is typically no 684 00:45:34,890 --> 00:45:39,210 agenda, social and Twitter, and God knows where else that also 685 00:45:39,210 --> 00:45:43,050 includes a pod verse clip, it's dynamite. I love it. 686 00:45:44,460 --> 00:45:46,410 can look at Yeah, I'm looking at the transcript here. It's it 687 00:45:46,410 --> 00:45:50,070 looks like it's like sentence by sentence roughly. Yeah. Yeah, 688 00:45:50,070 --> 00:45:56,010 meme. Ish, you know? Yeah, they look like they're in chunks. 689 00:45:56,100 --> 00:45:58,530 Anyway, tags don't get implemented. If people don't 690 00:45:58,530 --> 00:46:00,870 remind people that they're that they exist. 691 00:46:02,340 --> 00:46:05,850 It looks like six to six, five or six second chunks. Okay. 692 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:11,580 Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, if if somebody can tell us where a per 693 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,120 word thing is, I mean, we can put that yeah, we can amend the 694 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:19,800 spec and modify it to say, you know, hey, just a blurb like, 695 00:46:20,820 --> 00:46:24,450 recommended. it's strongly recommended to use per word 696 00:46:24,450 --> 00:46:25,110 timestamps. 697 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:30,270 And you know, I can imagine comic strip blogger digan per 698 00:46:30,270 --> 00:46:35,370 word, timestamps and is AI Wookiee Wookiee stuff. Is that 699 00:46:35,370 --> 00:46:40,050 what it's called? It is Yes. You didn't know that. That's part of 700 00:46:40,410 --> 00:46:41,790 machine learning, the wiki wiki. 701 00:46:45,780 --> 00:46:49,590 You know, I've been, I've actually done a lot of code this 702 00:46:49,590 --> 00:46:50,160 week. 703 00:46:50,730 --> 00:46:56,820 I know. We haven't, we haven't been cuddling as much as usual. 704 00:46:59,820 --> 00:47:07,110 No, we haven't. We need we need to Netflix and chill. Yeah, so 705 00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:11,970 the is the one thing that I've been working on is, and this is 706 00:47:12,090 --> 00:47:18,330 sort of, sort of related to another. Another issue is 707 00:47:18,330 --> 00:47:22,110 booster gram surfacing. This is another 708 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:24,990 roll app. Is that what you're going to talk about? 709 00:47:25,049 --> 00:47:28,799 Yeah, yeah. And the reason that came to mind is that we have, it 710 00:47:28,799 --> 00:47:32,849 sort of fits this whole concept of having being in sort of a 711 00:47:33,599 --> 00:47:36,539 phase where you just have to push through a bunch of stuff. 712 00:47:36,989 --> 00:47:45,779 The invention phase is easy. Yeah, and then the, but then you 713 00:47:45,779 --> 00:47:48,299 get to this next phase, where it's like, hey, just got to do 714 00:47:48,299 --> 00:47:48,839 it all. 715 00:47:50,670 --> 00:47:53,340 This, by the way, is where most commercial businesses fail 716 00:47:53,370 --> 00:47:55,650 implementation execution. Yeah, 717 00:47:55,950 --> 00:48:04,500 totally agree. Yeah. And so the booster gram stuff we got, you 718 00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:06,780 know, they're started, the issues are starting to surface 719 00:48:06,780 --> 00:48:09,810 like, where do I find these things? Well, if you're on 720 00:48:09,810 --> 00:48:14,760 Satoshi stream, it'll pump them out for you. But what if you're 721 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,900 not on Satoshi stream? What if you're on your own node? And you 722 00:48:18,900 --> 00:48:23,520 would think in the logic of open source tech, that we have your 723 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:28,170 own note, it would be easier to see these things. But that's not 724 00:48:28,170 --> 00:48:34,080 the case here is actually way, way harder. It's hidden deep 725 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:35,220 within the system. Well, you'd 726 00:48:35,220 --> 00:48:39,300 also think that of the many different node management tools 727 00:48:39,300 --> 00:48:42,720 that exist, some of which are quite popular, that and I know, 728 00:48:42,780 --> 00:48:47,040 there's rumors that thunder hub might be incorporating this. But 729 00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:51,450 Hello, it's such an obvious audience. Ready for your 730 00:48:51,450 --> 00:48:52,140 product? 731 00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:57,240 Yeah, I mean, you, you would think that would be sort of 732 00:48:57,270 --> 00:49:01,680 higher on the priority list. But so I mean, bottom line is we 733 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,680 need to start surfacing these things. And John cheese, you 734 00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,620 wrote some code. I've written some code. Alice Gates has 735 00:49:07,620 --> 00:49:13,320 written some code. None. None of it is anything what you would 736 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:18,360 call easy. It's at all requires just some pre existing 737 00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,040 familiarity with how all of this work. 738 00:49:20,069 --> 00:49:23,279 You got to bake macaroons. Yeah. 739 00:49:23,700 --> 00:49:27,060 And, and you got to get you got to ssh in and you got it. You 740 00:49:27,060 --> 00:49:34,050 just got to get in the guts, man. So what is a good start? 741 00:49:34,350 --> 00:49:37,740 Since a lot of people are on Umbral is Umbral app 742 00:49:37,770 --> 00:49:40,980 Yes, I'm very excited. I have not yet received my Umbro all in 743 00:49:40,980 --> 00:49:43,800 one box. So I'm super excited about it because I think this 744 00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,110 has a big future. What's the lead 745 00:49:46,110 --> 00:49:49,950 time and when do you think your 30 days is 30 days? Okay. Yeah, 746 00:49:50,010 --> 00:49:51,780 you bet the pre made them. Yeah, yes. 747 00:49:51,780 --> 00:49:54,810 Okay. Yeah. And I did that with my raspy Blitz. You know, for 748 00:49:54,810 --> 00:49:57,930 the security consciousness, of course not a good idea. I 749 00:49:57,930 --> 00:50:02,700 believe they include I believe they include the chain or at 750 00:50:02,700 --> 00:50:06,570 least the recent copy of the of the blockchain. So this so 751 00:50:06,570 --> 00:50:09,270 that's really why I think I believe so yeah, it's like, just 752 00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:16,980 give me that and I have to sink for 18 days. But it first of 753 00:50:16,980 --> 00:50:21,720 all, the sexy looking box is the, I've tried to install 754 00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:25,620 Umbral on Linux Mint on a laptop, which failed. And I'm 755 00:50:25,620 --> 00:50:28,500 sure that's all the Docker stuff. So I was like I can, I'm 756 00:50:28,500 --> 00:50:31,050 gonna install ubuntu. And I know that'll work unless it's 757 00:50:31,050 --> 00:50:34,800 screwed. I'll order that box. But I'm very enamored very 758 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:39,900 enamored with the app, the app concept, you know, this is so I 759 00:50:39,900 --> 00:50:42,540 mean, you're, you're bringing in a lightning node, but you're 760 00:50:42,540 --> 00:50:45,600 sneaking in all kinds of cool stuff that are for your home. 761 00:50:46,620 --> 00:50:50,550 Yeah, it's it sets you up to be decentralized in like, 100 762 00:50:50,550 --> 00:50:51,540 different ways. Yeah. 763 00:50:51,570 --> 00:50:54,600 And I it's really cool. It's very exciting. This is the kind 764 00:50:54,600 --> 00:51:00,450 of box that we always it's in a way it's, um, next cloud. By the 765 00:51:00,450 --> 00:51:03,450 way, next cloud should have a node built into it, you know, 766 00:51:03,450 --> 00:51:06,390 this, like, well, maybe even cPanel? I don't know. But 767 00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:09,000 there's all these different platforms that are, you know, 768 00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,580 that you can run yourself where it makes so much sense to have 769 00:51:11,580 --> 00:51:13,620 these this type of application built into it. 770 00:51:15,210 --> 00:51:17,400 What size drive does it come harddrive does come with? 771 00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:21,750 Either one or two terabyte? Okay, so I got the two terabyte, 772 00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:23,940 you know, planning for the future of blockchain? 773 00:51:24,660 --> 00:51:28,200 Totally, totally. Yeah, that's what I would get to that. You 774 00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,620 never go wrong splurging on hard drive space. It's like no, it's 775 00:51:31,620 --> 00:51:36,180 never a mistake. But the so I started doing the basic work on 776 00:51:36,180 --> 00:51:41,070 it, the preliminary work on it, yes, yesterday. And before I 777 00:51:41,070 --> 00:51:46,530 left, and I like it, I like the app structure. I like the it's 778 00:51:46,530 --> 00:51:51,690 called the Umbral app framework. And it's just essentially, 779 00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:53,970 you're creating a Docker container with your code running 780 00:51:53,970 --> 00:51:59,280 inside of it. And you you created according to their 781 00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:04,770 guidelines, and then they have as part of the they give you 782 00:52:04,770 --> 00:52:06,960 some examples, okay, here's what your Docker file needs to look 783 00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:12,810 like, in order to build, build the image. And then here's what 784 00:52:12,810 --> 00:52:18,570 your Docker config needs to be your Yamo file. And within the, 785 00:52:19,830 --> 00:52:24,090 within that Yamo file, you can say, Okay, I want to expose 786 00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,540 these things to my Docker container. And it has a whole 787 00:52:27,540 --> 00:52:30,900 list of commented out things and you uncomment out the 788 00:52:30,900 --> 00:52:33,570 environment variables that you want to pet sort of pass through 789 00:52:33,570 --> 00:52:35,190 to your container. That's 790 00:52:35,819 --> 00:52:38,849 just like a template that you can you just get you put in 791 00:52:38,849 --> 00:52:40,469 there and just uncomment whatever you want. 792 00:52:41,100 --> 00:52:44,040 Yeah, and so you say, Okay, here's my code is gonna run on a 793 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:48,300 container will run on this port, it'll listen on this port. And 794 00:52:48,330 --> 00:52:52,470 it's going to have this name in the in the embroil app registry. 795 00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:54,330 And it's going to 796 00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,670 oh, man, this thing should have an activity pub. 797 00:52:57,810 --> 00:53:00,660 Well, I mean, that could be another thing. Yeah. Yeah, 798 00:53:00,660 --> 00:53:03,960 totally. You could run a little activity pub, you know, server 799 00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,860 on there to handle comments. But I mean, like it, the structure 800 00:53:07,860 --> 00:53:11,190 of it is really cool. And you say, Okay, well, my, my app is 801 00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:15,360 going to need to talk to the, to the to lnd. So you uncomment out 802 00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:21,180 the lnd environment variables, so that your app can see where 803 00:53:21,180 --> 00:53:25,650 lnd is, or, well, my app needs to talk to the Bitcoin Core 804 00:53:25,650 --> 00:53:29,820 node. So you uncomment those and it's and then it passes through 805 00:53:29,820 --> 00:53:32,430 okay, here's the here's the locate, here's the port that 806 00:53:32,460 --> 00:53:37,200 Bitcoin D is running on, here's the path it's located at. And so 807 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,840 your app gets all the exposure to that 808 00:53:41,100 --> 00:53:45,300 you know, all of this stuff that we're doing the it's also so 809 00:53:45,300 --> 00:53:50,280 advanced, so sophisticated, so good. And because it's not DC 810 00:53:50,310 --> 00:53:55,980 it's not centralized by nature. Which is what in two generations 811 00:53:55,980 --> 00:53:59,640 have grown up on that you know, I just see it over and over 812 00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:04,200 again it's like oh, well you know, it's there's workers SSH, 813 00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:08,910 erasure all this stuff that has to be done. We just people just 814 00:54:08,910 --> 00:54:13,800 gonna have to learn seriously and and, and I think the world 815 00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,500 in general is going to be happy learning about a lot of new 816 00:54:16,500 --> 00:54:19,200 stuff because the way I see it, you know, you're gonna have to 817 00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:23,520 learn to bake bread again. Cuz ain't gonna be no bread this 818 00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,030 winter. No, there's no bread in things. I mean, it's gonna be 819 00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:29,850 weird things not everything. Hey, you know what your kid's 820 00:54:29,850 --> 00:54:31,980 gonna have to go into cloth diaper and guess what you're 821 00:54:31,980 --> 00:54:34,560 gonna have to learn how to wash it. Oh, and guess what? You're 822 00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:39,390 not going to have detergent. So all we're going to have to learn 823 00:54:39,390 --> 00:54:43,380 things again I think that we should admit I'm saying I think 824 00:54:43,380 --> 00:54:47,130 it's but we shouldn't be too hung up on how much how 825 00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,730 difficult it is because I remember how people would twist 826 00:54:50,730 --> 00:54:56,490 themselves in knots just to get their mp3 file on their God on 827 00:54:56,490 --> 00:55:00,000 their early and you know like that whether the reo early mp3 828 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:07,560 whatever you hear, or how podcasters I mean, we still 18 829 00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:12,150 years. Do we have an all in one podcast box that actually does 830 00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:16,890 it all? No, not really. But man, people were doing all kinds of 831 00:55:16,890 --> 00:55:20,880 stuff for over a decade. How do I get this to work? How do I 832 00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,520 make a sound? And somehow they figured it out? 833 00:55:25,050 --> 00:55:28,830 Yeah. And if you if I can see the things, something like a 834 00:55:28,830 --> 00:55:32,520 Umbral becoming the all in one podcast or box, 835 00:55:32,580 --> 00:55:36,150 I think it's it's a media box. It's much more than it should 836 00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:38,940 have it. Why? You know, depending on the size of your, I 837 00:55:38,940 --> 00:55:42,540 mean, yes, I totally agree. That's why I love the sexiness 838 00:55:42,540 --> 00:55:45,870 of their of their of the device. You know, that is something 839 00:55:45,870 --> 00:55:50,010 people will be man, it took me half a day to set up the stupid 840 00:55:50,010 --> 00:55:55,140 vacuum cleaner. Seriously, there's all kinds of crap that 841 00:55:55,140 --> 00:55:55,920 goes wrong. 842 00:55:57,390 --> 00:56:01,320 Oh, that's, that's, that's my issue is that we act like 843 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,750 everything else is easy. Oh, God, hell 844 00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:03,990 no. It's 845 00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:05,160 just hard in a different way. 846 00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:09,240 Hell no. Yeah, every single thing that we've installed has 847 00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:12,180 had some kind of issue is always a problem. It's just what 848 00:56:13,230 --> 00:56:17,760 can't you see an umbrella that has, its at the base that's at 849 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,930 its base, it's a node, then you have a set of apps on there that 850 00:56:21,930 --> 00:56:26,130 you can install, where we throw on a histogram app, we throw on 851 00:56:26,130 --> 00:56:29,670 a freedom controller to get your show notes. You throw on? 852 00:56:30,990 --> 00:56:32,790 Listen, listen, this is an activity 853 00:56:33,150 --> 00:56:36,660 bigger than that. And and for the home, you throw on Mycroft 854 00:56:36,660 --> 00:56:40,290 so you got your own version of Alexa. Seriously? All of this 855 00:56:40,290 --> 00:56:43,920 stuff? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Hell yeah. Maybe even next cloud? I 856 00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,760 don't know if I'm, kind of go back and forth on that. But, you 857 00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:51,810 know, I use next cloud and to my God, it's a revolution, 858 00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,200 or an ice cast server for a lot. icecast server? Yep. 859 00:56:55,260 --> 00:56:58,980 I IPFS. I mean, there's all kinds of stuff. And I see it 860 00:56:58,980 --> 00:57:01,950 more and more people send me a link. I was my next cloud. Okay. 861 00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:07,350 for file sharing, it's got a chat, although there's plenty of 862 00:57:07,350 --> 00:57:09,990 other chat. And in a way, you have to be careful of that. But 863 00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:12,150 I like this so much more. Because, you know, we've been 864 00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:15,300 looking at, everyone's been talking about Facebook and on 865 00:57:15,300 --> 00:57:18,450 Facebook was like Oscar said, you know, Facebook wants to be 866 00:57:18,450 --> 00:57:21,870 the internet. No, hey, don't worry about it. We got we got 867 00:57:21,870 --> 00:57:25,200 social networking, we got newsletters, we got video, we 868 00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,620 got news groups, we got news, we got you know, all this stuff. 869 00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,850 And you're never going to get the best of breed. You can buy 870 00:57:32,850 --> 00:57:35,550 some of the best of breed, but you can't buy all the best 871 00:57:35,550 --> 00:57:39,150 forever. To Umbral is kind of like, I hate to say it, but like 872 00:57:39,150 --> 00:57:42,810 a Facebook type of device. But you can choose which things you 873 00:57:42,810 --> 00:57:45,870 like, you know, eventually your mail server, you might want to 874 00:57:45,870 --> 00:57:47,760 have it on there, all these different things. 875 00:57:48,450 --> 00:57:51,540 That's what people like about things like the Synology box is 876 00:57:51,540 --> 00:57:53,580 that they can put on and off whatever they want. Yeah, and 877 00:57:53,580 --> 00:57:58,950 just enable B, I think, I think John John, is he's a big fan of 878 00:57:58,950 --> 00:58:01,140 the Synology. I think you should get John, if you're listening, I 879 00:58:01,140 --> 00:58:03,300 think you should get an umbrella because you would you would dig 880 00:58:03,420 --> 00:58:07,950 this so much. I think all the this stuff gets driven from 881 00:58:07,950 --> 00:58:13,050 techy people. That's where all this stuff gets born at. So, you 882 00:58:13,050 --> 00:58:16,500 know, as long as, as long as you have people out there that know 883 00:58:16,500 --> 00:58:18,090 what they're doing, they can evangelize, they will 884 00:58:18,089 --> 00:58:24,329 check, we'll check it out. Brett Weinstein had built a Raspberry 885 00:58:24,329 --> 00:58:27,359 Pi node, he's a bit nerdy, and you know, most Professor types, 886 00:58:27,359 --> 00:58:31,229 you know, they all they all have to do Unix pretty quickly. And 887 00:58:31,229 --> 00:58:34,829 they have to be able to do some some basic level programming, 888 00:58:34,859 --> 00:58:38,699 and it's seen a million times. So he put together and Umbral to 889 00:58:38,699 --> 00:58:43,589 Fortran. I don't think he's maybe he's old enough. So he put 890 00:58:43,589 --> 00:58:46,019 together an Umbral on a Raspberry Pi. And he had a 891 00:58:46,019 --> 00:58:48,239 really cool enclosure, and he kind of looked at as an art 892 00:58:48,239 --> 00:58:51,359 piece. And what he liked about it is that he had a Bitcoin 893 00:58:51,359 --> 00:58:55,289 wallet, so he could exchange and store Bitcoin. He didn't even 894 00:58:55,289 --> 00:58:56,609 know what lightning was. 895 00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:58,830 That is hilarious. I said, dude, 896 00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:02,250 click on this. Oh, okay. I see this app. Oh, that's 897 00:59:02,250 --> 00:59:07,200 interesting. I should not watch I boost him. No, I see Satoshis 898 00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:10,890 coming in, how does how does that work? So so when you can 899 00:59:10,890 --> 00:59:13,050 have that's what an app store does, you know, it's like, oh, 900 00:59:13,050 --> 00:59:15,690 well just install this by clickety click, and then 901 00:59:15,690 --> 00:59:18,750 installed and then then over the phone, and I was actually 902 00:59:18,750 --> 00:59:23,400 texting didn't even speak with him. And maybe one screenshot to 903 00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,130 show him where I thought button would be located. And that was 904 00:59:26,130 --> 00:59:29,160 it. And he didn't even know that this capability was in the box 905 00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:30,990 that he that he had in his home already. 906 00:59:32,190 --> 00:59:35,940 That that just cracks me up that he already was ready to go with 907 00:59:35,940 --> 00:59:38,610 pod with podcasting. People know and didn't even know didn't even 908 00:59:38,610 --> 00:59:42,480 know it. Yeah, he accidentally became value for value of 909 00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:43,440 compliant. Yes, 910 00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:47,220 he stumbled into value for value. He did. I don't I still 911 00:59:47,220 --> 00:59:49,140 don't think he actually understands or knows but he just 912 00:59:49,140 --> 00:59:52,830 sees the Satoshis is good. So that's fine. And speaking of 913 00:59:52,830 --> 00:59:58,560 which, I realized today everybody who was doing value 914 00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:02,730 for value, you got to admit, certainly with booster grams. 915 01:00:03,210 --> 01:00:07,770 Has there ever been a more fun way to monetize your podcast? 916 01:00:07,980 --> 01:00:11,580 Yeah, I was listening to pod land yesterday and they with the 917 01:00:11,580 --> 01:00:14,100 comments and everything. They're just cracking up. It's just fun. 918 01:00:14,130 --> 01:00:14,820 It's fun, 919 01:00:14,970 --> 01:00:17,640 and you're monetizing it the same if you just want to use 920 01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:21,540 that dirty word. Yeah, but you know, sometimes you just have to 921 01:00:21,540 --> 01:00:24,420 say hold on a second. You know, this is working with it. And 922 01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,270 what do we talk about the last episode a million Satoshis a day 923 01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:33,210 running through the through podcasting. 2.0 Wow, wow. 924 01:00:34,620 --> 01:00:39,450 That's the oh, I've got I've got a jingle candidate. I've got a 925 01:00:39,450 --> 01:00:42,990 couple of jeans. Oh, okay. Very good. What do we have? Speaking 926 01:00:42,990 --> 01:00:46,500 of which, there's one that's Well, there's two there's jingle 927 01:00:46,500 --> 01:00:48,660 boost and jingle Yes. Boost. You wanna give them a shot? See what 928 01:00:48,660 --> 01:00:49,470 you like. Okay, 929 01:00:49,589 --> 01:00:58,289 let's try boost. And, yes, oops. Oh, I like that one. Who was 930 01:00:58,289 --> 01:00:59,279 that? Rupal? 931 01:00:59,370 --> 01:01:04,140 Yes. That's, I'm not gonna reveal where that came from. 932 01:01:04,710 --> 01:01:07,380 Because I've got more and I've got another one I've got. 933 01:01:07,860 --> 01:01:11,730 Alright, see there's one ISO copper boost. I'm trying to like 934 01:01:11,730 --> 01:01:14,040 copper boost while I'm getting lunch. 935 01:01:15,330 --> 01:01:18,210 Wow, how long what TV Are you watching 936 01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,710 this this is one for okay, this this is a little long, but this 937 01:01:25,710 --> 01:01:28,980 is a definitely something for I think this is a no agenda. Where 938 01:01:28,980 --> 01:01:31,380 are they? Here? You can you can get this as ISO not what I 939 01:01:31,380 --> 01:01:34,620 thought it was gonna be. What I thought it was gonna be Oh. 940 01:01:37,860 --> 01:01:39,210 It's a little long, but it's funny. 941 01:01:41,550 --> 01:01:45,120 Like, anyway, no, I can't reveal my secrets. I've got my treasure 942 01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:46,620 trove that I go back to all the time. 943 01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:52,050 Well, I'll put the link in the show notes to the boost Bates, 944 01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:56,940 GitHub, which has expanded quite nicely I might add. People are 945 01:01:56,940 --> 01:01:59,820 putting their own their own jingles in there. That's fun. I 946 01:01:59,820 --> 01:02:00,810 love it. So very cool. 947 01:02:01,500 --> 01:02:03,600 You want to thank people and then we'll come back and do 948 01:02:04,860 --> 01:02:05,880 something else for sure. 949 01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,970 Pay attention. This is how it's done. If you want to even start 950 01:02:08,970 --> 01:02:11,850 a project like podcasting 2.0 Here's what you do you ask 951 01:02:11,850 --> 01:02:15,180 people to support you say hey, do you like what this is? Do you 952 01:02:15,180 --> 01:02:18,240 like what we're doing? Does it enrich your life in any way? I'm 953 01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:22,710 William devayne. I buy my gold from Rosalind capital. Sorry, 954 01:02:22,710 --> 01:02:23,700 what just happened there? 955 01:02:25,500 --> 01:02:26,670 That was really natural. 956 01:02:29,100 --> 01:02:32,640 Yes. See if you can pitch gold you can pitch value for value is 957 01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:34,200 very magnetic bracelet. 958 01:02:34,230 --> 01:02:35,100 Yes. Yes. 959 01:02:35,100 --> 01:02:41,400 Mood rings. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah, so the the concept here is that 960 01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:44,430 this will only work if it's a value to anybody. And how do we 961 01:02:44,430 --> 01:02:48,300 know? Well, because you, you return the value in a monetary 962 01:02:48,300 --> 01:02:52,020 way. By the way, it can be the time talent or treasure. It 963 01:02:52,020 --> 01:02:54,360 doesn't have to be money all the time. In fact, it shouldn't be 964 01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:57,540 if you can complete the trifectas even better. And that 965 01:02:57,540 --> 01:02:59,550 way we can keep the server's running, we can have a little 966 01:02:59,550 --> 01:03:03,930 bit of growth, we can keep the node funded. Which is really 967 01:03:03,930 --> 01:03:06,480 good. You know, we have we're on the list. What are we in the 968 01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:08,790 three hundreds, but we're on the list. We're on the boss list. 969 01:03:08,910 --> 01:03:12,810 We're like 250 Oh, really? We're up? And that's up. Right? We're 970 01:03:12,810 --> 01:03:14,220 the bullet? Yeah, we're 971 01:03:14,220 --> 01:03:15,720 like 256 I 972 01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:20,130 think really? Oh, considering we don't have the most money. We 973 01:03:20,130 --> 01:03:23,310 have maybe very little money compared to some of these super 974 01:03:23,310 --> 01:03:23,880 nodes. 975 01:03:25,530 --> 01:03:28,770 Like buttoning labs. Terminal web, I think is what it's 976 01:03:28,770 --> 01:03:32,100 called. Right? Yes. It's the lightning labs terminal with. 977 01:03:33,570 --> 01:03:34,620 Let's see what we are. 978 01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:37,410 Facebook is the actual terminal web, but okay. 979 01:03:38,940 --> 01:03:46,440 Sure. Podcast index. I'm sorry. We're fast. 20. To 50, we're 980 01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:46,980 520. 981 01:03:47,010 --> 01:03:51,690 Okay, I went flat there. Oops. All right. Well, I mean, we're 982 01:03:51,690 --> 01:03:51,930 still, 983 01:03:52,290 --> 01:03:55,980 there's like 28,000 nodes. Were still doing pretty good. 984 01:03:56,490 --> 01:04:00,150 Yeah. And that's really for accessibility, balance, and 985 01:04:00,150 --> 01:04:03,780 throughput. But again, we're not we're certainly by no means the 986 01:04:03,780 --> 01:04:07,440 biggest node in the business. What do we have like 27 million 987 01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:08,310 SATs in there? 988 01:04:09,570 --> 01:04:13,890 Yes. Yeah. Close. Getting close to 28. I think there is this. 989 01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:18,210 Our centrality is 93rd percentile. That sounds good. 990 01:04:18,330 --> 01:04:19,410 That's impressive. I don't know what it 991 01:04:19,410 --> 01:04:23,190 means. I'll take it. Can I get I can get that on a t shirt. Yeah. 992 01:04:23,670 --> 01:04:29,400 Good. Amen. So we gladly accept your streaming value for value 993 01:04:29,670 --> 01:04:34,320 Satoshis or your boosts and or booster grams, which you can do 994 01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:38,580 with any of these with most of the cool apps, new podcast apps 995 01:04:38,610 --> 01:04:42,330 calm. If you're still in the old in the old school way, even one 996 01:04:42,330 --> 01:04:46,140 of those new apps, by the way, you can tap on the funding icon 997 01:04:46,140 --> 01:04:49,050 which is typically a piggy bank or a little dollar sign or maybe 998 01:04:49,050 --> 01:04:53,640 a PayPal and that'll open up our our page for PayPal which you 999 01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:56,700 can also find a podcast index.org down at the bottom red 1000 01:04:56,700 --> 01:05:03,090 button, donate and you know Again, just give us the value 1001 01:05:03,090 --> 01:05:05,310 that you're getting out of it. It may be the enjoyment of 1002 01:05:05,310 --> 01:05:08,040 podcasts, you may be a podcaster excited about what's happening. 1003 01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:10,800 You may be a developer, you may just be someone who likes 1004 01:05:10,830 --> 01:05:15,030 listening to a bunch of nunchucks come up with shit. It 1005 01:05:15,030 --> 01:05:18,930 was anything that has any entertaining value, let us know. 1006 01:05:19,410 --> 01:05:26,250 That's not to be underestimated. I remember as a probably a 17 1007 01:05:26,250 --> 01:05:30,000 year old I would go to the bookstore and buy Dr. Dobbs 1008 01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,390 journal. You remember that? Of course magazine. Yeah. And I 1009 01:05:33,390 --> 01:05:36,810 would buy Microsoft used to have a magazine. It was like Visual 1010 01:05:36,810 --> 01:05:38,820 Basic, monthly or something. I 1011 01:05:38,820 --> 01:05:41,280 just used to buy books. I just be like, oh, there's there's a 1012 01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:44,610 new O'Reilly book. What's the Yeah, what's the animal gonna 1013 01:05:44,610 --> 01:05:44,910 be? 1014 01:05:45,629 --> 01:05:48,209 And I would read through it cover to cover and have 1015 01:05:48,299 --> 01:05:51,869 absolutely no idea what any of those code examples were. I 1016 01:05:51,869 --> 01:05:54,149 didn't understand it. Didn't come 1017 01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:57,900 with a CD. now. Oh, yes. I love the books that came with a CD 1018 01:05:57,900 --> 01:06:01,140 ROM that was so cool. With source code. Yeah, sure. 1019 01:06:01,170 --> 01:06:02,910 Examples fun projects. 1020 01:06:03,779 --> 01:06:08,909 And yeah, we've got a drip Scott coming in. First of all with a 1021 01:06:08,909 --> 01:06:13,229 PayPal donation of $60. And he says, From drab, happy 60 1022 01:06:13,229 --> 01:06:14,549 episodes go podcasting. 1023 01:06:14,580 --> 01:06:16,800 Ah, thank you drip for a memory. 1024 01:06:18,420 --> 01:06:19,350 You shouldn't have 1025 01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:24,030 we finally we finally fixed is nodige I believe he's receiving 1026 01:06:24,030 --> 01:06:24,870 SATs again. 1027 01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:31,140 I've got I'm trying to get I have not switched anything I 1028 01:06:31,140 --> 01:06:34,110 think except podcasting. 2.0 calls. 1029 01:06:36,270 --> 01:06:40,560 Oh, he had a 500 Right. Okay, okay. Okay. Okay. 1030 01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:45,690 And I messaged Tim to get that lifted. And so I haven't heard 1031 01:06:45,690 --> 01:06:48,600 back yet so I'm gonna finish that as soon as I hear from Tim 1032 01:06:48,900 --> 01:06:52,170 okay and but I still publish the feed with it all in there right 1033 01:06:52,170 --> 01:06:53,790 you didn't change any of that 1034 01:06:54,509 --> 01:06:57,299 yeah the Yeah, I haven't gone back and change the older 1035 01:06:57,299 --> 01:07:00,479 episodes is what I'm is what I'm talking about. So I'll put those 1036 01:07:00,509 --> 01:07:03,809 I'll do all that. Like I'll do the full feed refresh with the 1037 01:07:03,809 --> 01:07:05,669 old episodes and all that stuff as soon as I hear from 1038 01:07:05,670 --> 01:07:08,850 Tim okay, and you also have to do it for no agenda and Mo facts 1039 01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:09,570 Yeah, 1040 01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:14,610 yeah, I got that. Yeah, cool. Let's see who we got. Sir 1041 01:07:14,610 --> 01:07:19,650 Spencer. Spencer came in with 13 137 SATs that's elite boost 1042 01:07:19,650 --> 01:07:23,730 yes very elite love that. Through curio caster and he says 1043 01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:27,030 leet boost can we can make see we can indeed make some routing 1044 01:07:27,030 --> 01:07:31,500 fees from our ring of fire. Since we are podcasters. focused 1045 01:07:31,500 --> 01:07:35,220 more on micro payments. I recommend we aim for zero base 1046 01:07:35,220 --> 01:07:39,000 fee and a higher relative PPM fee to encourage incentivize 1047 01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:42,210 micro payments to be routed able Kirby and I will be discussing 1048 01:07:42,210 --> 01:07:44,820 this today on April craft thank you for your courage 1049 01:07:44,850 --> 01:07:46,800 go very nice hold on a second 1050 01:07:50,550 --> 01:07:52,950 by going down down 1051 01:07:58,860 --> 01:08:08,790 the rate of fire podcast ring of fire to grab like a fire 10,000 1052 01:08:08,790 --> 01:08:13,500 SATs from Abel Kirby speaking of Wow, thanks. Nice. Through 1053 01:08:13,500 --> 01:08:16,140 period caster and he says we picked a release date for the 1054 01:08:16,170 --> 01:08:18,660 Tablecraft album. We're watching Christmas Eve. 1055 01:08:18,690 --> 01:08:24,270 Ah nice. Nice. Excellent. Can't wait for that now. It'll be 1056 01:08:24,300 --> 01:08:28,650 there'll be very good they have their their value block split 1057 01:08:28,710 --> 01:08:30,090 amongst the band members. 1058 01:08:30,810 --> 01:08:34,170 Oh yeah, that's the I like the Christmas Eve drop too. Oh, 1059 01:08:34,170 --> 01:08:40,650 yeah. Good. Oh, yeah. 10,000 SATs from anonymous, through 1060 01:08:40,650 --> 01:08:46,380 Brees. And he she says to for one's SATs free Hypothecation 1061 01:08:46,410 --> 01:08:51,450 the opposite of rehypothecation in Fiat clown world. I have no 1062 01:08:51,450 --> 01:08:53,700 idea what those were what is rehypothecation mean? 1063 01:08:53,880 --> 01:09:00,000 Oh my god. It's how you it's rehypothecation is how 1064 01:09:00,030 --> 01:09:03,660 eventually people are able to short Bitcoin. And how that 1065 01:09:03,660 --> 01:09:10,200 exactly works is is I can't explain it. Okay, well stay away 1066 01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:14,040 from it. What I was doing was trying to re hypothecate You 1067 01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:14,850 just walk away. 1068 01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:24,240 Let's see we got BB hat. senesin see some ducks. A duck boost. tu 1069 01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:29,070 tu tu tu ne says podcasting 2.0 is connecting the social angle. 1070 01:09:30,180 --> 01:09:31,050 Alright, alright, I'm 1071 01:09:31,050 --> 01:09:35,370 sorry. I'm sorry. We are Yeah, sorry about that. Sorry. I 1072 01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:37,260 didn't mean to connect anything. 1073 01:09:38,100 --> 01:09:42,510 Let's see. Another anonymous anonymous stewpot friend for 500 1074 01:09:42,510 --> 01:09:44,460 Nate says just as boost me bitch 1075 01:09:44,489 --> 01:09:47,609 okay. Oh wait there was a jingle that said boost me bitch but it 1076 01:09:47,609 --> 01:09:50,639 wasn't very good. So I didn't grab it but we'll do this post 1077 01:09:51,329 --> 01:09:54,059 over there. The the booster gram date GitHub. 1078 01:09:55,950 --> 01:09:59,190 We get here anonymous through brace for 500 SATs and it just 1079 01:09:59,190 --> 01:10:01,650 says love Wow, I love you too. 1080 01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:02,760 Thank you. I mean it 1081 01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:11,370 anonymous again through breeze 1000 Sassy says thanks for the 1082 01:10:11,370 --> 01:10:17,850 show. You're welcome. Boosts a lot of 1000 said boost today 1083 01:10:19,590 --> 01:10:23,490 that oh this is from you 1000 says boosting for drip from 1084 01:10:23,490 --> 01:10:24,030 curio cash. 1085 01:10:24,210 --> 01:10:26,100 Okay, thank you Adam. Thank you. 1086 01:10:26,190 --> 01:10:27,000 Here's your cue to 1087 01:10:27,060 --> 01:10:31,710 boost. You know you want to boost you got it 1088 01:10:32,610 --> 01:10:38,940 booster gram for 2376 SATs from aerostatic through Fountaine he 1089 01:10:38,940 --> 01:10:45,810 says booster grants to the moon Yes. Thank you aerostatic the 1090 01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:50,640 progenitor of the word booster grant Oh see here Kyron since 1091 01:10:50,700 --> 01:10:55,770 1901 SATs Karen down from mere mortals through curio caster, he 1092 01:10:55,770 --> 01:10:59,580 says this is an Aussie Commonwealth boost. Actually had 1093 01:10:59,580 --> 01:11:01,890 a strategic question for the two of you. Okay. 1094 01:11:02,700 --> 01:11:06,690 I'm very ready for that. Okay, it is after all, the boardroom 1095 01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:09,570 we're striving we're strategy is born. 1096 01:11:10,020 --> 01:11:12,930 It is the correct place for a strategic question. Correct? 1097 01:11:13,500 --> 01:11:15,780 Actually had a strategic question for the two of you. Do 1098 01:11:15,780 --> 01:11:19,830 you emphasize certain parts of the podcasting 2.0 depending on 1099 01:11:19,830 --> 01:11:23,520 the person you're talking with? IE, what message do you convey 1100 01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:27,720 to a fellow podcaster family member, journalist, friend, work 1101 01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:32,640 colleague, etc, etc. When people ask me what I'm up to, I want to 1102 01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:35,940 get to the juicy meat of 2.0 without overloading them with 1103 01:11:35,940 --> 01:11:39,300 too much info, wondering what you find works best. 1104 01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:43,470 Wow, you want to kick it off? 1105 01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:49,770 Yes, I do tailor them my sort of what I target to the to the 1106 01:11:49,770 --> 01:11:53,790 audience that's I'm going to be doing in our giving example. I'm 1107 01:11:53,790 --> 01:12:02,040 going to be doing in a workshop for bit women in Bitcoin and 1108 01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:09,660 January through a group called dis dis femmes magazine it's 1109 01:12:09,660 --> 01:12:13,620 like a Bitcoin and female oriented Bitcoin online 1110 01:12:13,620 --> 01:12:18,150 magazine, I think. So I talked to the to the lady that leads it 1111 01:12:18,210 --> 01:12:22,500 like you and the other day. And we just had sort of a 1112 01:12:22,500 --> 01:12:26,670 preliminary thing. So yeah, did I focus I know that did is going 1113 01:12:26,670 --> 01:12:30,990 to be Bitcoin focused. And I know that they not really gonna 1114 01:12:30,990 --> 01:12:35,400 care about something like chapters in and we've only got 1115 01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:39,210 an hour for the workshop. So when I do the workshop, I'm 1116 01:12:39,210 --> 01:12:42,060 definitely going to be focusing on nothing but value for value 1117 01:12:42,060 --> 01:12:45,390 and how to get in how that works and how to get set up. And so, 1118 01:12:45,900 --> 01:12:51,090 but if I was talking to somebody like a hosting company, I'm 1119 01:12:51,090 --> 01:12:53,490 probably not even going to bring up value for value, because it's 1120 01:12:53,490 --> 01:12:57,600 really the focus, there's going to be new, new, new app 1121 01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:01,470 experiences, like chapters and transcripts and such. But yeah, 1122 01:13:01,470 --> 01:13:04,680 definitely. And then there's the question of when you're, when 1123 01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:06,780 you're at Thanksgiving dinner, and your family asked you what 1124 01:13:06,780 --> 01:13:11,970 this new side project is you're doing. You know, you probably 1125 01:13:12,570 --> 01:13:14,790 try to hit a high level and don't even get specific on any 1126 01:13:14,790 --> 01:13:17,520 of it. So yeah, that's I mean, that's the that's the way I do 1127 01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:18,870 it. I definitely target thing. 1128 01:13:18,990 --> 01:13:23,430 Yeah, I would agree the knowing your audience, and what will 1129 01:13:23,430 --> 01:13:27,420 benefit the person who you're informing. You know, if if 1130 01:13:27,420 --> 01:13:30,360 someone like you say, like, so what do you do? This happens 1131 01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:32,550 with me a lot, too. What do you do? And with that, I'm probably 1132 01:13:32,550 --> 01:13:35,700 gonna say, I just married Tina for money. And you know, just 1133 01:13:35,700 --> 01:13:41,160 even if that's true, yeah, well, this is true. Yes. So there's, 1134 01:13:41,970 --> 01:13:45,090 you know, but it depends on level of technical skill, like 1135 01:13:45,090 --> 01:13:50,310 I'm doing the the Bitcoin sessions today at five, six 1136 01:13:50,310 --> 01:13:53,490 o'clock Eastern, which is, I think the title of this in Yeah, 1137 01:13:53,490 --> 01:13:57,630 was why why are we bullish? So obviously, that's going to be a 1138 01:13:57,630 --> 01:14:01,290 sophisticated Bitcoin audience. So I'll focus pretty much 1139 01:14:01,290 --> 01:14:05,430 primarily on value for value. And value for value for me is 1140 01:14:05,430 --> 01:14:09,630 really the concept I probably talk about most as it pertains 1141 01:14:09,630 --> 01:14:15,390 to podcasting 2.0 with most people, but if it's purely, you 1142 01:14:15,390 --> 01:14:19,830 know, so someone who just wants to know what's different, you 1143 01:14:19,830 --> 01:14:23,010 know, I show them I say, Oh, look, we have chapters and I 1144 01:14:23,010 --> 01:14:28,620 show them different things. depends on the audience. It 1145 01:14:28,620 --> 01:14:31,740 really does. depends on the audience. So of course, yeah, of 1146 01:14:31,740 --> 01:14:34,470 course you tailor that, but you can you can never you can never 1147 01:14:34,470 --> 01:14:36,810 hit it all for for one person. It's just not going to be that 1148 01:14:36,810 --> 01:14:40,290 interested. Just think just you know what podcasting is? Yeah, I 1149 01:14:40,290 --> 01:14:41,280 know, it's better. 1150 01:14:42,090 --> 01:14:46,200 It's better. Yeah. I think a good example of that Sam Sethi I 1151 01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:48,210 think he you know, he interviews a lot of people I think he's 1152 01:14:48,210 --> 01:14:54,780 good interviewer and one in he's cheap, very much brings up he 1153 01:14:54,780 --> 01:14:57,540 almost always brings up a podcasting 2.0 Tech. Now look, I 1154 01:14:57,690 --> 01:15:00,960 mean, the example of that is when he interviewed Dejan Aviva 1155 01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:05,700 Hassan from about three weeks ago. And she was talking about 1156 01:15:05,700 --> 01:15:09,690 monetization and how she had gotten on to the virgin. Virgin 1157 01:15:09,690 --> 01:15:12,510 yes salons thing. You know? And he asked, he asked, he's like, 1158 01:15:12,510 --> 01:15:15,120 Okay, well, have you heard of the value for value tag? I mean, 1159 01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:17,400 have you heard of this? You know, lightning streaming 1160 01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:22,260 payments and stuff. So, like, he that's an example of somebody 1161 01:15:22,290 --> 01:15:25,650 tailoring their message to a specific, you know, to each 1162 01:15:25,650 --> 01:15:29,250 specific person they're talking to? Yeah, I think you have to, 1163 01:15:29,340 --> 01:15:29,580 yeah. 1164 01:15:29,910 --> 01:15:32,850 And just for me, personally, again, I'll just say I think 1165 01:15:32,850 --> 01:15:36,960 value for value as a concept, not just the the implementation 1166 01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:43,770 that we've done in podcasting. 2.0 for media, is something that 1167 01:15:43,770 --> 01:15:47,700 for me is the real end goal. That's what I really that's what 1168 01:15:47,700 --> 01:15:51,930 turns me on. It's like look at people giving back value. 1169 01:15:53,010 --> 01:15:58,380 Voluntarily. And, and the reasons behind it and how people 1170 01:15:58,380 --> 01:16:02,490 do it. It fascinates me. I'm up for days looking at why people 1171 01:16:02,490 --> 01:16:06,210 do certain things in numerology, what, what makes them interested 1172 01:16:06,210 --> 01:16:08,580 in it? You know, and I find a lot more interesting than 1173 01:16:08,580 --> 01:16:11,370 looking at downloads, statistics and CPM. 1174 01:16:12,450 --> 01:16:13,380 Oh, yeah. Yeah. 1175 01:16:13,679 --> 01:16:16,799 You know, it's like, what am I doing with the actual content 1176 01:16:16,799 --> 01:16:19,439 that I'm creating that will motive that will give someone so 1177 01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:22,859 much value that it motivates them to actually jump through 1178 01:16:22,859 --> 01:16:25,019 hoops to send that value back? 1179 01:16:25,679 --> 01:16:28,919 Do you want your audience to be to be a stat on an Excel 1180 01:16:28,919 --> 01:16:31,649 spreadsheet? Or do you want to be reading their messages that 1181 01:16:31,649 --> 01:16:35,099 they send to you on your own your show? I know which one I 1182 01:16:35,099 --> 01:16:35,399 want? 1183 01:16:35,429 --> 01:16:38,819 Yeah. I want them lying at my feet worshiping Me. 1184 01:16:39,690 --> 01:16:44,070 Well, that's a different Me you can do that. We can make that 1185 01:16:44,070 --> 01:16:44,430 have 1186 01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:48,660 that character. You're exactly right. You're exactly what you 1187 01:16:48,660 --> 01:16:49,200 said there. 1188 01:16:49,530 --> 01:16:54,150 By now. Karen brought in another 1100 23 SATs and he says through 1189 01:16:54,150 --> 01:16:57,480 pod friend. He says Would I be able to get my name written on 1190 01:16:57,480 --> 01:17:01,680 the list for coming up with the nickname pots H for Dave. First 1191 01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:05,190 booster gram that to a pod land month or so ago? Sorry, James 1192 01:17:05,190 --> 01:17:07,320 pod bro was awful. Yes, 1193 01:17:07,410 --> 01:17:12,750 yes, I think I think Dave, you should tattoo his name on your 1194 01:17:12,750 --> 01:17:13,020 arm. 1195 01:17:14,940 --> 01:17:20,160 Yeah, well, I'll let you know when that happens. Mary as the 1196 01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:26,580 Oscar Mary is a bunch of dogs here. 22,222 says Oh, thank you 1197 01:17:26,580 --> 01:17:30,090 fountain. He says thanks for having me on. Like, let's get 1198 01:17:30,090 --> 01:17:32,520 the lightning charity fun filled up boost. 1199 01:17:32,580 --> 01:17:38,970 Yes, well, yes. We so we did put the split in for the lightning 1200 01:17:38,970 --> 01:17:43,920 podcast charity fund. And I was planning on leaving it in for 1201 01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:49,080 today's show. So you know that those Satoshis are going to this 1202 01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:52,950 node that you gave us so hopefully you'll be able to use 1203 01:17:52,950 --> 01:17:57,540 that to pre fill some wallets. 1204 01:17:58,830 --> 01:18:03,450 Let's let's watch it happen. Let's watch the magic. Yep. The 1205 01:18:03,450 --> 01:18:06,270 vit see Oh, this looks like a maybe a typo. 1206 01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:10,560 It is very cool if you if you boost or boost to Graham you'll 1207 01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:13,890 see in the split you'll see lightning podcast charity fund 1208 01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:17,250 it just to see that Yeah, I like that a lot 1209 01:18:18,210 --> 01:18:22,500 of it via I think this is this is veal from the Parkinson's, 1210 01:18:22,830 --> 01:18:27,120 social but I'm not sure because this VI L dash L E so I don't 1211 01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:31,740 know. Maybe a typo. Part four and it says just testing go 1212 01:18:31,740 --> 01:18:37,860 podcasting. Well 1000 SAS will read them all. So even the test 1213 01:18:37,860 --> 01:18:41,340 we even read stuff from ourselves. The best part? Yeah. 1214 01:18:41,460 --> 01:18:46,590 aerostatic sent us another 2376 SATs and he says I also 1215 01:18:46,590 --> 01:18:50,160 subscribe to the fountain app premium. These guys are doing a 1216 01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:52,110 great job. Yeah, yeah, 1217 01:18:52,110 --> 01:18:53,640 it was great having Oscar on the show. 1218 01:18:54,450 --> 01:19:01,500 It's a good interview three 330 3333 SAS from our buddy 1219 01:19:01,500 --> 01:19:02,850 Martin at pod friend 1220 01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:04,560 33,000. 1221 01:19:05,970 --> 01:19:09,840 He says hello here's a donation of 33,333 SAS because you're 1222 01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:13,770 awesome. Ah this is Martin is also works as a test to see if 1223 01:19:13,770 --> 01:19:16,920 the total amount is sent along with the boost. Yes, 1224 01:19:16,950 --> 01:19:20,490 it is good work. Yeah, everyone's I saw breezes almost 1225 01:19:20,490 --> 01:19:22,890 done with their episode level split. 1226 01:19:23,700 --> 01:19:26,820 Yeah, it looked like I saw him in the breeze dev group. Yeah. 1227 01:19:26,820 --> 01:19:30,240 And they put it in place and then it broke some other stuff. 1228 01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:31,110 Cool. I get back. 1229 01:19:33,060 --> 01:19:33,690 I love it. 1230 01:19:33,690 --> 01:19:38,970 I got it working in Roy's like yeah, it works great, but none 1231 01:19:38,970 --> 01:19:44,610 of my episodes are up refreshing. Okay. Oh, well. So I 1232 01:19:44,610 --> 01:19:47,760 think they're in the homestretch of it. See, sir Pete gave us 1233 01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:50,940 5000 SAS and he says here's an Oscar. 360 Boost. 1234 01:19:51,060 --> 01:19:58,560 Ooh. Oscar 363 60 1235 01:20:01,110 --> 01:20:05,490 Breathe anonymous 1000 SATs their breeze and it's just it 1236 01:20:05,490 --> 01:20:07,770 says a you is the whole message. 1237 01:20:08,370 --> 01:20:11,520 All right. I don't know either. Maybe that's all 1238 01:20:11,580 --> 01:20:17,640 Auburn citadel. I don't know. Let's see. And John's John's 1239 01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:25,560 BRT, John's. John sbrt sent us 4900 SATs and he says cheers. It 1240 01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:26,100 was through fountain 1241 01:20:26,430 --> 01:20:27,990 cheers to you. Thank you very much. 1242 01:20:29,730 --> 01:20:32,220 That's our booster grams and we got some monthly donors here. We 1243 01:20:32,220 --> 01:20:40,980 got a Jordan dunville $10.02 coats $6.66 Miko Kimmerer $5.33 1244 01:20:40,980 --> 01:20:47,070 Lesley Martin $2 Jeff Miller $20 Dred Scott $15 Thank you dread 1245 01:20:47,070 --> 01:20:47,550 killing it. 1246 01:20:48,030 --> 01:20:48,540 Big John. 1247 01:20:49,110 --> 01:20:54,990 Terry Keller $4.11 Pedro gone calvus $5 and Aaron Renaud $5 1248 01:20:56,130 --> 01:21:04,590 I'm going to put in in the area of non monetary time instead of 1249 01:21:04,590 --> 01:21:07,290 treasure or talent instead of treasure I'm going to put in 1250 01:21:07,350 --> 01:21:11,310 Ryan Hirsch here because he is done work 1251 01:21:11,940 --> 01:21:15,000 party time right he did all the party time work thank you very 1252 01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:18,210 much. Right and thank you to these monthly donors because you 1253 01:21:18,210 --> 01:21:21,510 know what I'm seeing here just back of the napkin. I'm seeing 1254 01:21:21,510 --> 01:21:25,290 that we're receiving we had the monthly is are important because 1255 01:21:25,290 --> 01:21:28,470 that's that's that's money that these are higher amounts for us 1256 01:21:28,470 --> 01:21:32,520 which is great for the keep the server's running. But we have 1257 01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:39,300 less people sending us Fiat fun coupons, but more people 1258 01:21:39,300 --> 01:21:42,780 streaming and boosting even though the the the total Fiat 1259 01:21:42,780 --> 01:21:47,700 amount is lower. It warms my heart. Yeah, it warms my heart. 1260 01:21:47,700 --> 01:21:50,430 It really does. And, and you know, consider putting your 1261 01:21:50,430 --> 01:21:53,610 streaming at 100 SATs a minute that's a default on I think that 1262 01:21:53,610 --> 01:21:57,360 might be a curio caster default. And, you know, I realized like, 1263 01:21:57,360 --> 01:21:59,370 hey, you know, I've Damn, I'm filling I'm filling up this 1264 01:21:59,370 --> 01:22:03,630 wallet every single week. And like, How much is it really? 1265 01:22:04,590 --> 01:22:05,820 And I'm like, No, 1266 01:22:05,820 --> 01:22:07,980 it's not much. It's not but um, 1267 01:22:08,010 --> 01:22:10,680 but I feel good about it. Me too. 1268 01:22:12,270 --> 01:22:14,610 Because, you know, I do five booster grams and I got a 1269 01:22:14,610 --> 01:22:15,480 refill, you know? 1270 01:22:16,470 --> 01:22:20,310 Yeah, I was listening to Brett Weinstein's podcast today. His 1271 01:22:20,310 --> 01:22:24,180 latest episode is really good. I was listening to that 1272 01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:27,030 was. Was Heather on on the show. 1273 01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:31,920 Yes. Yes, it was good. She did. She's talking about this book. 1274 01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:35,790 And it's, it's, it's it's a good episode. Um, I don't listen to 1275 01:22:35,790 --> 01:22:37,950 that show a lot. But every now and then they'll have one that 1276 01:22:37,950 --> 01:22:38,790 hits it out of the park. 1277 01:22:39,060 --> 01:22:42,090 Oh, yeah. And by the way, I think Heather actually is quite 1278 01:22:42,090 --> 01:22:45,270 sexy with that. That breathy voice 1279 01:22:45,630 --> 01:22:48,270 but I'm gonna take your word for it because you do you and 1280 01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:50,190 imitating it is not. 1281 01:22:50,430 --> 01:22:55,320 It's not sexy. Okay, I make the jokes around here right now, 1282 01:22:55,320 --> 01:23:00,060 guys. We Yeah, that's it. That's our that's our group. 1283 01:23:00,810 --> 01:23:05,610 Thank you all so much. I think we had a pretty good lead into 1284 01:23:05,610 --> 01:23:08,910 explaining how it works. But that's it. And the you know, my 1285 01:23:08,910 --> 01:23:13,020 wife was a nonprofit, communications professional C 1286 01:23:13,020 --> 01:23:17,190 suite level for many many years semi retired now. And she will 1287 01:23:17,190 --> 01:23:20,550 tell you if you're a podcast or just like any nonprofit, the 1288 01:23:20,550 --> 01:23:24,390 number one reason people do not donate is because they weren't 1289 01:23:24,450 --> 01:23:32,340 asked. And it's get asked Hey, gotta ask got to ask. And and in 1290 01:23:32,340 --> 01:23:35,010 this booster Graham thing is just man that's taken to such 1291 01:23:35,010 --> 01:23:38,880 such another level. You know? That I was gonna say something 1292 01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:41,970 but I'm planning even on another show just because I want to be 1293 01:23:41,970 --> 01:23:45,810 able to do even more of a booster grams and stuff. Well, I 1294 01:23:45,810 --> 01:23:47,580 need another podcast in my life. You see? 1295 01:23:47,700 --> 01:23:50,430 Yeah, you do. Like you need a you know, like, you need another 1296 01:23:50,430 --> 01:23:51,120 dog in your life. 1297 01:23:51,420 --> 01:23:53,490 It's a creative outlet. There's some of that, you know, it's I 1298 01:23:53,490 --> 01:23:57,180 love doing it so much. And it's it's not me, podcasting. It's 1299 01:23:57,180 --> 01:24:00,900 the people. You know, I love talking with you. I love talking 1300 01:24:00,900 --> 01:24:03,600 with Moe. I love talking with John still kind of 1301 01:24:05,460 --> 01:24:12,030 just on a tangent. I caught that on a on a Mofaz tangent. Yo. I'm 1302 01:24:12,030 --> 01:24:14,100 glad that y'all have been doing more shows lately. It's good to 1303 01:24:14,100 --> 01:24:14,610 see we're on 1304 01:24:14,610 --> 01:24:18,030 a schedule man got one or schedule it's, we finally 1305 01:24:18,060 --> 01:24:22,470 figured it out. Yeah, and it's an I'm very proud of moe. 1306 01:24:22,950 --> 01:24:25,860 Because he is he is really really killing it. And we 1307 01:24:25,860 --> 01:24:29,520 finally figured out what was there was a whole bunch of 1308 01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:32,670 reasons why we weren't hitting a schedule. And and I say, man, 1309 01:24:32,670 --> 01:24:35,760 we're breaking my number one rule here. And we also went off 1310 01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:41,250 a little bit on the format. And we just and we just corrected it 1311 01:24:41,250 --> 01:24:44,790 and it's so happy. I think the the shows that we're doing now 1312 01:24:44,820 --> 01:24:49,140 are some of the best workout. This last one we did about the 1313 01:24:49,140 --> 01:24:55,290 parallels between COVID and AIDS crisis and how that impacts the 1314 01:24:55,290 --> 01:24:57,840 so called black community and I say so called because that's 1315 01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:02,550 what most says it phenomenal. And people are boosting and 1316 01:25:02,550 --> 01:25:06,240 people are I mean, we have we have a wallet for the show. 1317 01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:06,870 How's that? Do 1318 01:25:06,870 --> 01:25:07,650 it? Hell yeah. 1319 01:25:07,650 --> 01:25:11,250 It's doing okay. It's doing okay. Yeah. And you know your 1320 01:25:11,250 --> 01:25:13,110 readout booster grams on there? No, because 1321 01:25:13,110 --> 01:25:15,030 I don't have any booster gram software. 1322 01:25:16,890 --> 01:25:19,380 I'm waiting for like, that's, I feel like that's somebody's 1323 01:25:19,380 --> 01:25:24,630 problem that I know. It might be man. What do you mean? Like, I 1324 01:25:24,630 --> 01:25:28,050 feel like I have neglected to set you guys up with the proper 1325 01:25:28,050 --> 01:25:29,880 software to get that done with Yeah, but 1326 01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:34,770 yeah, it's like I I know when to ask for stuff. Yeah, yeah. And 1327 01:25:34,770 --> 01:25:36,480 tax time was not the right time. 1328 01:25:37,590 --> 01:25:42,480 And how was that set up? By the way? Is it set up? What node is 1329 01:25:42,480 --> 01:25:43,260 that go into? 1330 01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:48,690 Oh, I'm just, it's actually my old voltage node. Because at 1331 01:25:48,690 --> 01:25:52,890 first we had a first we had a split and it was going into me a 1332 01:25:52,890 --> 01:25:58,350 mo had a sphinx node. Well, we know how that typically is. 1333 01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:04,560 Failure. And, and he he's like, yeah, just set it up. And just I 1334 01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:07,590 just want it stored and leave it. So we're not going to spend 1335 01:26:07,590 --> 01:26:14,880 that it's okay. Good. And you know, so that's it. And so it's 1336 01:26:14,910 --> 01:26:20,610 all it needs is is the code to access the GPRC whatever. His 1337 01:26:20,610 --> 01:26:25,230 thing macaroon baking system on ology, lightning, okay, greased 1338 01:26:25,230 --> 01:26:25,680 lightning. 1339 01:26:26,250 --> 01:26:31,620 Grace. Okay, so when you get your when you get your Umbral? 1340 01:26:31,650 --> 01:26:34,620 Yeah, that's wrong. I wait for the Oh, yeah, of course not. 1341 01:26:34,740 --> 01:26:37,680 It's all right. But we do value for value. That show has been 1342 01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:40,560 valued for value for day one. And you know, it's been 1343 01:26:40,590 --> 01:26:44,760 phenomenal. It's again, this is what this is why I love this 1344 01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:48,600 shit. This is why I do it for these for talking with people. 1345 01:26:50,850 --> 01:26:55,500 You want to hit one more. One more namespace thing before we 1346 01:26:55,500 --> 01:27:00,480 get out of here. Yeah, sure. I think I think it's been too 1347 01:27:00,480 --> 01:27:02,850 long. I think we need a hot namespace talk. 1348 01:27:03,660 --> 01:27:09,960 Okay, and now it's time for some hot namespace talks. Thank you, 1349 01:27:09,990 --> 01:27:18,240 Dave. You were on top of that. Like why don't rise you're gonna 1350 01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:19,170 have to find that Oh, I 1351 01:27:19,170 --> 01:27:23,220 have to go find it. No, Dave. No, no. You're working with a 1352 01:27:23,220 --> 01:27:24,330 legend here. Okay. 1353 01:27:29,340 --> 01:27:33,210 And it was still a 10th of a second delay from clean feed. 1354 01:27:33,870 --> 01:27:37,950 Your radio professional. Thank you very much. I'm pronounced 1355 01:27:37,950 --> 01:27:38,490 Decatur. 1356 01:27:39,510 --> 01:27:42,750 The podcast Gu ID tag. So red circle. 1357 01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:48,900 Ah, yes. I have one. I have one. I saw it it's in curio caster it 1358 01:27:48,900 --> 01:27:50,760 shows my my podcast good. 1359 01:27:51,570 --> 01:27:54,510 Yeah, like red circle evidently implemented the good. The 1360 01:27:54,510 --> 01:27:57,300 podcast. Good tag. I haven't talked to them. They haven't 1361 01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:00,210 cool with any of us that I know. And 1362 01:28:00,210 --> 01:28:02,910 they're doing it in the way we're doing it the same way. 1363 01:28:03,510 --> 01:28:06,180 Yeah, I mean, like they're, they've implemented across their 1364 01:28:06,330 --> 01:28:10,020 whole portfolio. Cool. All of a sudden, John Spurlock just 1365 01:28:10,020 --> 01:28:13,110 started. He posted the other day yesterday and said, Hey, I'm 1366 01:28:13,110 --> 01:28:17,640 seeing red circle podcasts feeds that now have the podcast good 1367 01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:21,450 tag in there. He's like that that? Is that new? Pa? And 1368 01:28:21,450 --> 01:28:27,420 evidently it is. So that's red circle Buzzsprout and cast those 1369 01:28:27,930 --> 01:28:29,550 that have all implemented good. 1370 01:28:30,060 --> 01:28:34,050 God bless those guys, man. All of them. Yeah. And 1371 01:28:35,070 --> 01:28:39,480 I think I think it's probably time to pull the trigger on 1372 01:28:39,480 --> 01:28:43,950 doing some cool stuff with GUID. And I think one of the first 1373 01:28:43,950 --> 01:28:47,580 things we need to do is the fact is, is go back and look at fast 1374 01:28:47,580 --> 01:28:53,460 follows. Ah ha, yeah, so that we can have a universal way to do 1375 01:28:53,460 --> 01:28:57,870 following, regardless of what the feed if the feed changes. 1376 01:28:58,980 --> 01:29:04,260 And so the idea here is no, no, we always know we already have a 1377 01:29:04,260 --> 01:29:12,900 fast follow sort of format that is less than ideal, but it was, 1378 01:29:13,050 --> 01:29:17,400 you know, we came up with it as a group pretty quick. But what 1379 01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:21,870 really needs there really needs to be in my opinion, and this is 1380 01:29:21,870 --> 01:29:22,890 just my opinion. Well, 1381 01:29:23,910 --> 01:29:26,010 excuse me, you are the pod sage. 1382 01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:28,500 Well, I mean, I don't want to play that card all the time. I 1383 01:29:28,500 --> 01:29:32,070 gotta leave some juice for later. Yeah, I 1384 01:29:32,070 --> 01:29:37,800 get at least some juice is that I fill it as I already bought 1385 01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:42,960 the domain fast follow.org. And I've had it for a while. So I 1386 01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:49,860 think what needs to happen is we have a way to do fast follow.org 1387 01:29:51,060 --> 01:29:57,060 domains with the GUID attached so that in then what will happen 1388 01:29:57,060 --> 01:30:02,700 is a create a Cloudflare what's called a Cloudflare worker that 1389 01:30:02,700 --> 01:30:06,300 will resolve the GUID. When somebody hits when somebody hits 1390 01:30:06,300 --> 01:30:11,730 that domain. It will resolve in return the URL. Yeah, yes. Cool. 1391 01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:18,270 Seamless doesn't require any servers. And we can serve tons 1392 01:30:18,270 --> 01:30:24,150 of those fairly easily, I believe. Yeah, I like it. So the 1393 01:30:24,150 --> 01:30:32,700 only thing that that is missing, though, is a where this falls 1394 01:30:32,700 --> 01:30:37,470 down is Apple, because they do not have a way to set a default 1395 01:30:37,470 --> 01:30:43,470 podcast app. So you can't say when you if you had a feed URL, 1396 01:30:43,470 --> 01:30:47,160 something like podcast colon slash slash and a Gu ID. Yeah. 1397 01:30:48,180 --> 01:30:52,440 You can't use that on Apple's platforms because they don't 1398 01:30:52,440 --> 01:30:55,800 have a scheme protocol scheme handler register registered to 1399 01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:57,720 go to the to a default app. 1400 01:30:58,230 --> 01:31:00,570 So it makes its own choice. 1401 01:31:01,590 --> 01:31:07,200 It always defaults to, but yeah, well, they've changed that 1402 01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:09,960 lately. For other apps like mail, you can finally set your 1403 01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:13,140 default mail client and all these other things. So here's 1404 01:31:13,140 --> 01:31:18,630 my, here's my question. Or my challenge to anybody, to 1405 01:31:18,630 --> 01:31:22,560 everybody who is listening in may have ideas about this. How 1406 01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:25,680 do we pressure Apple to change this? 1407 01:31:26,220 --> 01:31:30,570 Wow, this is very interesting, because I think it's critical 1408 01:31:30,570 --> 01:31:35,010 and who always says, well, mate was no Sam. Sam Sethi says that 1409 01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:39,330 Apple's podcast app is the internet explorer of podcast 1410 01:31:39,330 --> 01:31:44,310 apps. And now they are literally acting like Microsoft, because 1411 01:31:44,310 --> 01:31:48,960 one of the core issues with Microsoft is they were locking 1412 01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:54,510 you in to Internet Explorer. And so now Apple is literally 1413 01:31:54,630 --> 01:31:59,610 segregating and locking everybody into their Internet 1414 01:31:59,610 --> 01:32:03,930 Explorer podcast app, yet other apps, they do allow this to 1415 01:32:03,930 --> 01:32:06,990 happen. So that's anti competitive, and I'm taking them 1416 01:32:06,990 --> 01:32:07,440 down. 1417 01:32:08,520 --> 01:32:10,560 Yeah, how do we do it? How do we take them lawsuit? 1418 01:32:11,970 --> 01:32:15,990 We need a lawyer, a lawyer to write a letter and threaten him. 1419 01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:20,460 Cool. Yeah. I think Martin has some experience with that. 1420 01:32:20,460 --> 01:32:23,280 Martin, can you write this letter for us? You have you have 1421 01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:24,540 their lawyers number, don't you? 1422 01:32:25,110 --> 01:32:28,230 He does. He does. He doesn't want to use that number, though. 1423 01:32:28,350 --> 01:32:31,350 Well, this is something James might do. You know, it's like, 1424 01:32:31,500 --> 01:32:34,230 this is this is anti competitive. And I don't know 1425 01:32:34,230 --> 01:32:37,800 all the details. But if, you know, they can have this sort of 1426 01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:40,260 they can do whatever they want. But if they if they're opening 1427 01:32:40,260 --> 01:32:44,400 up other things, and there's a clear market for other podcast 1428 01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:48,300 apps, I think there's precedent with the Microsoft case. I may 1429 01:32:48,300 --> 01:32:50,280 be wrong, but it feels like there's precedent 1430 01:32:51,480 --> 01:32:54,450 with jurisprudence. So I know you're serious about this. I 1431 01:32:54,450 --> 01:32:54,630 know. 1432 01:32:54,750 --> 01:32:56,970 But the someone over there listens to this. 1433 01:32:58,350 --> 01:32:59,430 Yeah, Apple. Yeah. 1434 01:32:59,490 --> 01:33:03,030 I know. Someone over at Apple. Listen to this. Come on Apple. I 1435 01:33:03,420 --> 01:33:10,440 just I have so much respect for for Apple in general. But man, 1436 01:33:11,190 --> 01:33:12,240 it's really waning. 1437 01:33:13,020 --> 01:33:17,790 No, I mean, if you don't want to look Apple if you don't want to 1438 01:33:17,820 --> 01:33:18,570 allow, 1439 01:33:18,870 --> 01:33:24,630 let's just hold on a second. Tim. Tim, listen up. Okay, Dave. 1440 01:33:24,660 --> 01:33:25,500 I got his attention. 1441 01:33:26,010 --> 01:33:29,880 Okay. I'm doing pray hands right now. So really? 1442 01:33:29,910 --> 01:33:31,140 Don't worry. Tim is too. 1443 01:33:31,679 --> 01:33:34,889 Yeah, he is. He never stops. That's all he does all day. Um, 1444 01:33:35,699 --> 01:33:39,329 we need. Like, if if the problem is you don't want people setting 1445 01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:43,199 Spotify as their default podcast app, then just exclude them and 1446 01:33:43,199 --> 01:33:44,159 let everybody else go. 1447 01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:46,200 Yeah, there's no lawsuit there. 1448 01:33:46,530 --> 01:33:51,120 Yeah, no. You don't have to say it out loud. No, I mean, 1449 01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:51,900 seriously, this is 1450 01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:55,650 why why would they? why would why there's no reason for them 1451 01:33:55,650 --> 01:33:59,190 to care. This this last because we don't make any money off that 1452 01:33:59,190 --> 01:34:03,390 exactly. As long as you know. And and yeah, for subscriptions. 1453 01:34:03,420 --> 01:34:06,060 Oh, yeah. You're so worried about the revenue loss from your 1454 01:34:06,060 --> 01:34:09,570 podcast subscriptions. Come on. Don't be douche it's 1455 01:34:09,570 --> 01:34:12,450 you. I bet you they don't make $200,000 a year 1456 01:34:12,540 --> 01:34:17,880 cost them money. It's a it's a loss leader for sure. Yeah. And 1457 01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:20,790 most of that money is most of that money is by them not using 1458 01:34:20,790 --> 01:34:25,530 pod ping and killing the climate. You're worse than China 1459 01:34:25,740 --> 01:34:28,920 with your with your aggregators. Yeah, 1460 01:34:29,970 --> 01:34:34,980 there's for every effort to put this into New York Times a 1461 01:34:34,980 --> 01:34:39,480 Bitcoin terminology. Every podcast that's polled by Apple 1462 01:34:39,480 --> 01:34:42,480 is enough energy to heat 4000 homes for a month. 1463 01:34:42,510 --> 01:34:49,530 No, nope, nope. Every every podcast that is what was it? Was 1464 01:34:49,530 --> 01:34:53,460 it pulled by Apple now? Yep. Yeah, pull by Apple. So every 1465 01:34:53,460 --> 01:34:58,020 episode Yes. Published and pulled by Apple kills a puppy. 1466 01:34:58,830 --> 01:35:02,070 It does. Yes. And they're so cute. 1467 01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:06,150 Apple is the Fauci is the Fauci of podcast systems. 1468 01:35:06,599 --> 01:35:10,859 Every new episode published and concerned by consumed by Apple 1469 01:35:10,859 --> 01:35:13,739 puts bagels head in a bag. That's right 1470 01:35:13,770 --> 01:35:18,840 and then tightens it. Yeah. suffocated. To stop that Apple 1471 01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:22,500 is horrible. Okay, watch this make a difference. Tim likes 1472 01:35:22,500 --> 01:35:23,070 dogs. 1473 01:35:23,790 --> 01:35:28,590 He does. So I've got pod pink stuff, but I think we need it 1474 01:35:28,590 --> 01:35:30,570 wait for next week would be I gotta get back to work. 1475 01:35:30,630 --> 01:35:33,810 Okay. Dave, I know that you're in the middle, all the coding 1476 01:35:33,810 --> 01:35:37,110 stuff. Do you have time to hang around with me and set up this 1477 01:35:37,110 --> 01:35:40,710 social social thing? Or do you need to get back to work and we 1478 01:35:40,710 --> 01:35:43,290 can do it later if that's easier for you, but not just delay 1479 01:35:43,290 --> 01:35:45,600 publishing and then Martin gets angry and 1480 01:35:46,230 --> 01:35:49,020 no, I can stick around for a minute. Okay. All right, 1481 01:35:49,020 --> 01:35:49,350 everybody 1482 01:35:49,350 --> 01:35:52,230 that will do it for today for podcasting. 2.0 Thank you very 1483 01:35:52,230 --> 01:35:54,270 much for joining the board meeting. We'll have you back on 1484 01:35:54,270 --> 01:35:57,600 Friday to bring you more the index the namespace and the 1485 01:35:57,600 --> 01:35:59,250 social. See that everybody? 1486 01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:19,320 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast 1487 01:36:19,320 --> 01:36:22,980 index.org for more information. Yes. 1488 01:36:23,940 --> 01:36:24,600 Podcast