1 00:00:00,510 --> 00:00:05,790 podcasting 2.0 for October 8 2021, Episode 57 with the 2 00:00:05,790 --> 00:00:12,360 rebel rubes Don't worry all will become clear eventually. Hello 3 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:16,170 everybody time once again for the board meeting podcasting 2.0 4 00:00:16,170 --> 00:00:19,350 everything happening in podcast index.org with a podcast 5 00:00:19,350 --> 00:00:23,670 namespace. And all of the groovy ideas and gossip over there and 6 00:00:23,670 --> 00:00:26,520 podcast index dot social everybody is welcome here in 7 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,700 this Open Board Meeting. We do it every single Friday. I'm Adam 8 00:00:29,700 --> 00:00:32,970 Curry here in the heart of Texas Hill Country. And then Alabama, 9 00:00:32,970 --> 00:00:36,840 the man who's doing all of his state tax return filing single 10 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,390 handedly, my friend on the other end day is 11 00:00:41,940 --> 00:00:45,330 gonna have some extra money to do it, too. It wasn't like we 12 00:00:45,330 --> 00:00:50,430 have, like we get our friends in India. They're charging for 13 00:00:50,460 --> 00:00:57,930 admission to the index. You know, this is the latest hotness 14 00:00:57,960 --> 00:00:58,320 in 15 00:00:59,100 --> 00:01:02,460 women. I have not heard of any of this. What's going on? 16 00:01:02,910 --> 00:01:09,930 Yeah, so the Swedish trickler found a post on a website in 17 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:18,090 some kind of Indian SEO. Yeah, yeah, that is charging $20 for 18 00:01:18,300 --> 00:01:25,140 to submit five podcasts to podcast and expecting a stream 19 00:01:25,140 --> 00:01:26,880 of money to come and start coming our way. 20 00:01:27,090 --> 00:01:32,550 Yeah, don't hold your breath. That's interesting. Yeah, I just 21 00:01:32,910 --> 00:01:39,630 I just did the the Italian podcast festival. I did a little 22 00:01:39,690 --> 00:01:45,060 20th grab this Tell me what this was fun. Well, this was Julio 23 00:01:45,570 --> 00:01:51,000 Leonardo. She I can't remember who do we have on the show who's 24 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:51,540 in Italy. 25 00:01:54,900 --> 00:01:58,080 Oberto Oberto from RSS calm right 26 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,410 i think it was Alberto someone hooked me up with these guys So 27 00:02:01,410 --> 00:02:04,470 anyway, so they reached out hey, you know we'd love to have you 28 00:02:04,500 --> 00:02:07,740 speak at the Italian podcasting festival. I'm like in person. 29 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:12,000 Like No, no, it's virtual. Okay, so there goes to the trip like 30 00:02:12,060 --> 00:02:15,510 us too bad. I could have used that. Willow is there Yes, 31 00:02:15,510 --> 00:02:17,790 Willow and her and her whole family. She's been there for 32 00:02:18,060 --> 00:02:19,320 almost 30 years now. I think 33 00:02:20,340 --> 00:02:23,580 she's me she's Italian now pretty much yeah in feud Enza 34 00:02:23,610 --> 00:02:29,160 Florence. So I like okay you know what day is it is Friday 35 00:02:29,190 --> 00:02:32,640 off Fridays my day by I don't like to do two things on one day 36 00:02:32,640 --> 00:02:37,080 I'm just nasty that way. Okay, Friday and they're like well, 37 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,050 can you do it at 9am Well, that would be Thursday in the middle 38 00:02:40,050 --> 00:02:44,580 of the night for me if you want me to from 9am on Fridays, but I 39 00:02:44,580 --> 00:02:48,600 can do 9am my time to okay well then it'll be 4pm I perfect so 40 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:52,350 anyway, we set it up. And it was actually it was pretty tight and 41 00:02:52,350 --> 00:02:56,430 it was even though they had I guess it was there. I don't know 42 00:02:56,430 --> 00:02:59,670 exactly where they were but they had four different tracks. They 43 00:02:59,670 --> 00:03:02,700 had multicurrency they had multiple studios, podcast 44 00:03:02,700 --> 00:03:05,550 studios, although it was an online event Yeah, it looked 45 00:03:05,550 --> 00:03:08,190 pretty professional they had split screens go on they had 46 00:03:08,190 --> 00:03:13,950 bumpers and you know they even had a timed bumper for me and 47 00:03:13,950 --> 00:03:17,190 this yeah and at decent when you're done just go Viva 48 00:03:17,190 --> 00:03:21,270 podcasting. I said okay, so you know I did a little better not 49 00:03:22,890 --> 00:03:28,920 podcasting. But the cool thing was I had my my this I text my 50 00:03:28,920 --> 00:03:32,010 sister I said I gotta have something gotta say something 51 00:03:32,010 --> 00:03:33,300 funny to start off with you 52 00:03:33,390 --> 00:03:36,930 know. I'm Italian lingo. 53 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,320 Well, you know her husband is a pretty famous comedian. 54 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:47,340 Alexandre Apache. Yeah, okay, so that gave me this line. And of 55 00:03:47,340 --> 00:03:50,070 course I had it all written down and I was cribbed and I knew 56 00:03:50,070 --> 00:03:54,180 exactly how to do it and it goes like this I want to second my 57 00:03:56,040 --> 00:04:02,880 Yes, I Bongiorno. A tutti quelli belly a Anka equilibrio at which 58 00:04:02,910 --> 00:04:04,410 I'm told sounds pretty good 59 00:04:05,370 --> 00:04:07,770 that's bad I mean I'll buy he's like that so 60 00:04:07,770 --> 00:04:12,270 it's good Good morning everybody. To all the pretty 61 00:04:12,270 --> 00:04:18,180 people and all the ugly people she said don't worry they'll go 62 00:04:18,180 --> 00:04:22,020 over great they love that here it's okay but there's no 63 00:04:22,020 --> 00:04:24,960 feedback right I'm just it's just me cracking jokes like Bill 64 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,840 Maher during the lockdown Yeah, I was like no audience I have no 65 00:04:27,840 --> 00:04:30,270 idea if it if it if it went over at all. 66 00:04:30,539 --> 00:04:34,139 So it's like the destiny Italian equivalent of like I just flew 67 00:04:34,139 --> 00:04:35,759 into Chicago and boy My arms are tired I 68 00:04:36,629 --> 00:04:40,079 think it's a little better than that. But and it may it may be 69 00:04:40,079 --> 00:04:45,299 as bad Yeah, exactly. So ballin that was cool man. I'd lay down 70 00:04:45,299 --> 00:04:47,099 the 2.0 smack you know, 71 00:04:47,369 --> 00:04:50,729 when the What were you on? Like what was the reasoning behind 72 00:04:50,729 --> 00:04:53,579 you being like what was the topic? I am the podcast, 73 00:04:53,579 --> 00:04:57,719 whatever you wanted to time. Literally night literally. 74 00:04:58,110 --> 00:05:01,020 Literally like you're the pod father. You Got 20 minutes and 75 00:05:01,020 --> 00:05:02,550 go. Like 76 00:05:04,799 --> 00:05:06,959 so I mean that's what we're gonna do with Brian of London. 77 00:05:06,959 --> 00:05:12,119 It's gonna be like Okay, hi go. No, yeah, my 30 to 45 minutes. 78 00:05:13,290 --> 00:05:18,150 Oh, you're cutting him short. Oh my god. Oh, that's five minutes 79 00:05:19,980 --> 00:05:24,060 was good and then I'm doing they finally came through the Megyn 80 00:05:24,060 --> 00:05:26,070 Kelly show on Tuesday. 81 00:05:26,940 --> 00:05:29,580 When is that gonna happen? That's live on Tuesday. 82 00:05:30,660 --> 00:05:33,510 Oh that happened to get this okay this Tuesday this Tuesday, 83 00:05:33,930 --> 00:05:37,920 and I think yeah, I think it's live on Sirius XM and then it's 84 00:05:39,180 --> 00:05:40,950 then her podcast comes out. 85 00:05:41,460 --> 00:05:46,110 Did you ever figure out whether or not this was like the main 86 00:05:46,110 --> 00:05:48,060 podcast or some side podcast 87 00:05:48,090 --> 00:05:51,270 now? It seems like she's just converted her whole podcast into 88 00:05:51,270 --> 00:05:56,580 this with the Sirius XM deal. And you know, so now it's not no 89 00:05:56,580 --> 00:06:00,240 longer is it? Hey, just chat for an hour or whatever. No, it's 90 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:01,860 like well, you have 40 minutes and I'm sure they have 91 00:06:01,860 --> 00:06:07,380 commercial breaks and it's gonna say I'm excited about talking 92 00:06:07,470 --> 00:06:11,250 like, I mean, her podcast is what I'm interested and I think 93 00:06:11,250 --> 00:06:15,030 the Sirius XM stuff just gets in the way to be honest and has to 94 00:06:15,030 --> 00:06:15,870 be on video. 95 00:06:16,980 --> 00:06:20,130 Is it gonna be just you for the whole podcast or 96 00:06:20,130 --> 00:06:23,610 is it I don't think so. I don't know this is unclear I think she 97 00:06:23,610 --> 00:06:27,570 has multiple guests on so I don't know if you can get held 98 00:06:27,570 --> 00:06:30,630 over or go with another segment or because you know it's gonna 99 00:06:30,630 --> 00:06:32,580 be 10 minutes MTV guy. 100 00:06:33,570 --> 00:06:34,590 Yeah, that's 101 00:06:34,590 --> 00:06:36,240 gonna be me. Uh, maybe podcast. 102 00:06:36,630 --> 00:06:39,270 I mean you Bob you know how to bob and weave around that and 103 00:06:39,270 --> 00:06:42,630 get you know, get into what you Wally. Yeah, yeah. MTV Ba ba ba. 104 00:06:44,190 --> 00:06:47,910 Oh, yeah, that's exactly right to the same degree. 105 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,570 As we do in that a lot. Do you hear that? Meghan? What was 106 00:06:51,570 --> 00:06:54,090 that? I'm hearing something 107 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:57,420 we get this Cajun in the room. 108 00:06:57,540 --> 00:07:00,090 Here's something about abuse I'm not sure is this on your end 109 00:07:00,090 --> 00:07:00,960 over there series. 110 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:02,790 It's a shame you can't get these mega 111 00:07:05,130 --> 00:07:08,400 It's too bad she isn't doing the podcast the way she used to do 112 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:13,740 it because she was doing these great post reads. And I had my 113 00:07:13,740 --> 00:07:16,560 line already it's like Megan, I really want to invite you to 114 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,860 podcasting 2.0 and value for value because I just can't hear 115 00:07:19,860 --> 00:07:23,730 you talk about your legacy box anymore. It's just like so I 116 00:07:23,730 --> 00:07:27,060 can't do that joke. Because I don't think sponsor Oh, she's 117 00:07:27,060 --> 00:07:31,530 got real like real sponsors now No, I don't know. Sirius XM? 118 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,530 What would a sponsor for Megyn Kelly look like it would mean is 119 00:07:34,530 --> 00:07:37,380 that gonna be like Procter and Gamble. 120 00:07:37,410 --> 00:07:40,470 Well, legacy box was literally one of our sponsors. You know, 121 00:07:40,470 --> 00:07:44,310 the typical Squarespace type ads. That's that's what she was 122 00:07:44,310 --> 00:07:44,580 getting. 123 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,300 When Warby Parker Yeah, that idea interests that idea in a 124 00:07:48,300 --> 00:07:50,250 box. Okay. And I really 125 00:07:50,250 --> 00:07:55,650 think I've just been noticing all these changes in mainstream 126 00:07:55,650 --> 00:08:00,990 is, this all started when when I heard that Nielsen had lost 127 00:08:00,990 --> 00:08:05,010 their certification for their rating system. You know, for the 128 00:08:05,010 --> 00:08:08,310 math, as it were just kind of critical when you're providing 129 00:08:08,310 --> 00:08:11,520 television ratings. So they lost their certification, the 130 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:17,220 streaming guys are just refusing to participate in ratings. And 131 00:08:17,220 --> 00:08:20,610 so the way artists are compensated is changing. It's no 132 00:08:20,610 --> 00:08:23,280 longer you know, the big residuals, it's not based upon 133 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,130 performance. It's not based upon how many people streamed it, or 134 00:08:26,130 --> 00:08:29,310 how many people used it, what it's actually based on, 135 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,930 certainly for the for crew, and such, as, you know, the big, 136 00:08:34,140 --> 00:08:38,130 they got some pretty strong unions for Hollywood, television 137 00:08:38,130 --> 00:08:43,230 and radio to film, this dragon, right? Well, they have approved 138 00:08:43,230 --> 00:08:45,840 a strike, they've approved a strike, and I think they will go 139 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:49,530 on strike because what's going on with them is their contracts 140 00:08:49,620 --> 00:08:53,760 are based upon how big the audience is of the streaming 141 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:57,630 company. So Apple, who claimed to have less than 20 million 142 00:08:57,630 --> 00:09:03,750 subscribers, pay these people less for their productions. And 143 00:09:03,750 --> 00:09:07,020 Netflix has to pay them more, because that's kind of working 144 00:09:07,020 --> 00:09:10,950 out to be the way the unions are negotiating. But it's not based 145 00:09:10,950 --> 00:09:14,880 on residuals, the actors. Also, you know, there's just not that 146 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:16,470 much residual business anymore. 147 00:09:16,949 --> 00:09:19,829 So they split Okay, let me let me try to get an understanding 148 00:09:19,829 --> 00:09:23,909 of this better what you're saying is that it's not it is or 149 00:09:23,909 --> 00:09:28,169 is not based on total, like monthly active users. 150 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:29,790 What What are you talking about 151 00:09:29,790 --> 00:09:32,760 now television is in the residuals, no streaming, guys? 152 00:09:32,790 --> 00:09:33,330 No, no, 153 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:38,430 no. So good point. Oh, because this works the same for music, 154 00:09:38,430 --> 00:09:43,020 but let's just keep it with let's keep it with film and 155 00:09:43,020 --> 00:09:45,120 television kind of the same. Let's do television, just 156 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,280 because it's easier because that's where we have a lot of ad 157 00:09:47,340 --> 00:09:51,930 interruptions in mainstream. So if you have a television show 158 00:09:51,930 --> 00:09:58,560 friends, and you know, you're all actors, and also the writers 159 00:09:58,560 --> 00:10:01,620 and there's many people who have deep deals that are based upon 160 00:10:01,770 --> 00:10:08,160 the long term profits of that product that you'll get usually 161 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,920 certainly unknown actors, they'll get scale. And then 162 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,580 they'll get some points on some fictional back end over time. 163 00:10:14,790 --> 00:10:18,060 But we actually have very similar to ASCAP BMI for 164 00:10:18,060 --> 00:10:21,390 television, there's no there's ways that this is tracked and 165 00:10:21,390 --> 00:10:24,750 television stations that air it have to pay money. And that does 166 00:10:24,750 --> 00:10:28,170 go down the line and it winds up through collection agencies and 167 00:10:28,170 --> 00:10:31,440 winds up in the pockets of the people where it belongs. So if 168 00:10:31,590 --> 00:10:35,220 the kind of the rule of thumb is if you have five seasons of a 169 00:10:35,220 --> 00:10:41,490 show, and this is Seinfeld friends, yeah, you know, cause 170 00:10:41,490 --> 00:10:45,540 the Star Trek you name it, then you know that that going into 171 00:10:45,540 --> 00:10:48,630 syndication, which means all these Podunk stations not just 172 00:10:48,630 --> 00:10:52,410 around America, but around the world. And you know, that's why 173 00:10:52,410 --> 00:10:54,660 they wind up still playing him at three in the morning, you 174 00:10:54,660 --> 00:10:59,430 know, they're paying for the for the for the rights. So that's so 175 00:10:59,490 --> 00:11:03,450 it's very calculable, or used to be calculable. But now that's 176 00:11:03,450 --> 00:11:06,960 going away, because the only way that the stations can actually 177 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:11,520 afford to pay for the rights to broadcast these shows or series 178 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,730 is if they have the ads against it. And they just don't have the 179 00:11:14,730 --> 00:11:17,970 numbers of viewers anymore because people are out there 180 00:11:17,970 --> 00:11:20,790 waiting. You know, that's like the way to season catch it on 181 00:11:20,790 --> 00:11:25,230 Hulu, with no ads. You know, they're they're watching a 182 00:11:25,230 --> 00:11:30,870 limited run television series on on the streamers as well. So the 183 00:11:30,870 --> 00:11:36,630 streamers they decided early on. We're just going to do buyout. 184 00:11:36,630 --> 00:11:40,260 So you work in this production. You're an actor, I'll give you 185 00:11:40,260 --> 00:11:43,200 $20 million. But you know, residuals, you give me 25 186 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:47,550 million done. That's it, we own it forevermore. And that's a big 187 00:11:47,550 --> 00:11:48,240 change. 188 00:11:48,570 --> 00:11:51,120 So what if you take the 20 million with residuals, the 189 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,240 residuals are based on which number? 190 00:11:57,570 --> 00:12:02,520 the residuals are based upon payments made for broadcast 191 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:03,090 rights. 192 00:12:04,050 --> 00:12:08,370 Okay, so like, if you're Apple, and you have some show, like Ted 193 00:12:08,370 --> 00:12:14,790 lasso, then the people that worked on Ted lasso, do they, if 194 00:12:14,790 --> 00:12:18,450 they get any residual from zero, they get 00. 195 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:24,360 And worse, because it was if if Netflix. So the contracts with 196 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,700 the union state, I don't, I don't wanna get too boring on 197 00:12:26,700 --> 00:12:31,470 this, but 20 million and under subscribers, members of the 198 00:12:31,470 --> 00:12:38,010 streaming service, you get $75 per hour, between 20 million and 199 00:12:38,010 --> 00:12:40,980 50 million subscribers in the streaming service, they will pay 200 00:12:40,980 --> 00:12:44,700 you $100 an hour has nothing to do with your performance has 201 00:12:44,700 --> 00:12:48,000 nothing to do with how many people watch is just based upon 202 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,720 the number that by the way is unverifiable. Just Apple's just 203 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:52,320 telling you, 204 00:12:52,710 --> 00:12:55,980 that's the MA you number, that's that's the monthly active users. 205 00:12:56,010 --> 00:12:59,430 No, no, that's their subscriber number. That's how many people 206 00:12:59,430 --> 00:13:02,790 are paying Apple monthly, not even if they're using it, just 207 00:13:02,790 --> 00:13:04,140 how much you're paying it monthly. 208 00:13:04,680 --> 00:13:07,080 So the active part is irrelevant. It's just how many 209 00:13:07,110 --> 00:13:10,080 completely and then and it's arbitrary to say that's true, or 210 00:13:10,110 --> 00:13:11,280 it's arbitrary. Yeah, I 211 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:16,080 mean, Apple can say whatever they want. So that's why Ladies 212 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:20,460 and gentlemen, the value for value splits, although it seems 213 00:13:20,460 --> 00:13:24,900 like a cool little quirky deal for podcasting is in fact a 214 00:13:24,900 --> 00:13:30,240 distributed digital royalty system. And it's working. Holy 215 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:35,040 crap, I put Graham's node into the previous episode. Has he 216 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:39,090 gotten any right away He's like, Oh, this is kind of cool. 217 00:13:40,830 --> 00:13:43,740 Because it just keeps on flowing in you know, and it's like he 218 00:13:43,740 --> 00:13:47,790 gets six satoshis 10 satoshis or depends up there goes a boost 219 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,400 you know that kind of stuff. I don't know if anyone boosted him 220 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,830 directly he a fountain just implemented. 221 00:13:53,610 --> 00:13:57,450 It was bliss. Yeah. Yep. And then so that's that's the 222 00:13:57,510 --> 00:14:03,300 fountain. Curia caster is Brees doing episode level splits. 223 00:14:04,380 --> 00:14:08,790 I know that I don't know if it's done but I know max. Hillenbrand 224 00:14:08,790 --> 00:14:15,150 has just been all over. They're good. They get of that guy. He's 225 00:14:15,150 --> 00:14:19,320 great. Max is great, man. You don't want him wanting something 226 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:23,640 from you though? No, I like to watch him one thing. Yes. Other 227 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:29,490 people. Yeah. And we got a super nice endorsement from Gigi. 228 00:14:30,060 --> 00:14:31,140 About value for value. 229 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:31,830 Oh yeah. 230 00:14:31,890 --> 00:14:35,370 Holy crap. So this is all good. 231 00:14:36,390 --> 00:14:41,130 But you know that makes me that makes me think of that. Did you 232 00:14:41,130 --> 00:14:45,390 see this? If you did or not this think about get another gimlet 233 00:14:45,390 --> 00:14:47,970 podcast have called a heavyweight is going to be an 234 00:14:47,970 --> 00:14:49,320 exclusive on Spotify? 235 00:14:49,650 --> 00:14:53,610 Yes, I did. I did. And then some of the listeners are pissed. 236 00:14:54,270 --> 00:14:58,470 Yes. So you know, what I typically do is mighty goes 237 00:14:58,470 --> 00:15:02,850 exclusive. I try to get clips. So we can mock then. And yes, 238 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,180 this is this show is unclip. I mean Oh, really? That's too bad. 239 00:15:06,450 --> 00:15:09,780 It's it's super like NPR sound. 240 00:15:11,250 --> 00:15:13,890 And what it's about days. 241 00:15:14,820 --> 00:15:17,430 I don't really know what oh my god. 242 00:15:17,430 --> 00:15:20,550 So right now we're exclusive on Spotify. 243 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:23,580 I encourage everybody to download the app. 244 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:28,890 It's a free app. It's free. It's a free app. Here on Spotify 245 00:15:28,890 --> 00:15:33,810 exclusive no credit card. You sound like a sex line now. No 246 00:15:33,810 --> 00:15:35,040 credit card needed. 247 00:15:35,370 --> 00:15:39,480 It will come through your phone bill. Yeah. But they like I 248 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,680 don't understand this. And I want I want to this was from I 249 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:45,210 think, is this TechCrunch? 250 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:49,650 Well, we will diverge. I think when this comes the thing that 251 00:15:49,650 --> 00:15:54,420 James and I were going back and forth about which I got from 252 00:15:54,420 --> 00:15:58,290 Twitter, which of course is not a greatest source, but it was 253 00:15:58,290 --> 00:16:01,500 overheard in an investor relation call overheard. Yeah. 254 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:06,090 But what was cool is that James said, Oh, you know, and I'm 255 00:16:06,090 --> 00:16:11,100 gonna read it right here. So here's here's what I did. I sent 256 00:16:11,100 --> 00:16:13,680 the screenshot overheard on Investor Relations called quote, 257 00:16:14,010 --> 00:16:19,110 when Spotify says 21 or 22% of users engaged with podcast 258 00:16:19,110 --> 00:16:22,740 content. What does engagement mean answer? monthly active 259 00:16:22,740 --> 00:16:27,030 user, who had users who have consumed podcast content for 260 00:16:27,030 --> 00:16:30,690 greater than zero milliseconds for the last 30 days from the 261 00:16:30,690 --> 00:16:32,460 period end indicated. 262 00:16:34,290 --> 00:16:36,540 That's the lowest bar in all of media. 263 00:16:36,570 --> 00:16:40,230 I mean, that's even worse than the YouTube and face bag bar. I 264 00:16:40,230 --> 00:16:42,660 think it's three seconds with face bag. 265 00:16:43,140 --> 00:16:46,140 I mean, if you walk in the room and even sniff a podcast, 266 00:16:46,170 --> 00:16:46,560 they're gonna 267 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:53,400 play. We got to play engage, engage. I saw you sniffing it's 268 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:57,870 an engagement. And James closing in Cridland replied on the on 269 00:16:57,870 --> 00:17:00,900 the podcast index on social in case you wondered, this is 270 00:17:00,900 --> 00:17:04,380 mostly true, except the overheard on investor relation 271 00:17:04,380 --> 00:17:09,300 called the 22% number comes from the q3 2020 results. And Spotify 272 00:17:09,300 --> 00:17:14,730 counts as a monthly active user as, as the total count of ad 273 00:17:14,730 --> 00:17:18,060 supported users and Premium subscribers that have quote, 274 00:17:18,420 --> 00:17:21,450 consumed content for greater than zero milliseconds in the 275 00:17:21,450 --> 00:17:26,940 last 30 days. But it wasn't from the arc, okay. Yeah, 276 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:31,440 I love the I mean, I just love the hue, the I love that they're 277 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,860 saying it out loud. Yeah, greater than zero milliseconds. 278 00:17:35,070 --> 00:17:36,600 And the fact that they use the term 279 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:38,880 milliseconds is easily funnier, 280 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,720 that if you hit point one, bam, good to go, 281 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:43,110 baby. 282 00:17:43,170 --> 00:17:43,920 That's a stream. 283 00:17:43,980 --> 00:17:47,130 I mean, we haven't even dealt with Milla satoshis yet, they're 284 00:17:47,130 --> 00:17:50,250 already doing milliseconds. I mean, we can do value for value 285 00:17:50,250 --> 00:17:52,830 for a millisecond. If you want Spotify, no problem, 286 00:17:52,860 --> 00:17:57,450 even route that you can even route that lightning network as 287 00:17:57,450 --> 00:18:01,530 a fee. Yeah, no, it's I just don't understand why these 288 00:18:01,530 --> 00:18:04,440 things keep going. Because this is what the verge said. It said, 289 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,990 it says, I reached out to Spotify for clarification on why 290 00:18:09,990 --> 00:18:13,200 heavyweight is going exclusive. And what the goal is with this 291 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:17,280 move, and a spokesperson referred me to this August blog 292 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,880 post, which posits and to offer an explanation boat, which says 293 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,060 basically nothing. The clear, the clear sentence that could 294 00:18:24,060 --> 00:18:28,410 pass as an explanation is maybe this one. We believe that 295 00:18:28,410 --> 00:18:30,840 streaming is the future of all audio listening, and that our 296 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,570 technology can provide the opportunity for the podcast 297 00:18:33,570 --> 00:18:37,050 ecosystem to grow blah, blah, blah. So then it says, 298 00:18:37,590 --> 00:18:40,830 Therefore, if you're listening on app, haste, they goes in 299 00:18:40,830 --> 00:18:44,700 source pontificating about what they could possibly be doing. He 300 00:18:44,700 --> 00:18:48,210 says, if you're listening on Apple podcasts, or podcast, or 301 00:18:48,210 --> 00:18:51,630 pocket casts, or anywhere else, Spotify misses its opportunity 302 00:18:51,630 --> 00:18:55,080 to leverage the data it collects to not only serve better ads, 303 00:18:55,470 --> 00:18:58,800 but in the case of Gamla shows, also sell more of them. Plus, 304 00:18:59,130 --> 00:19:05,640 listening on Spotify means more ads. Okay, so that's, it says, 305 00:19:05,730 --> 00:19:08,370 plus you listening on Spotify means it also has a better 306 00:19:08,370 --> 00:19:12,690 chance of converting you into a paying subscriber. So I just 307 00:19:12,690 --> 00:19:16,290 don't buy either one of those, honestly, oh, not at all. And 308 00:19:16,290 --> 00:19:21,390 the more ads I don't see, I listen to this show, the content 309 00:19:21,390 --> 00:19:25,740 of the show, as it stands now, before it's even on Spotify. The 310 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,220 content doesn't even start until the three minute mark. Yeah, 311 00:19:29,940 --> 00:19:31,290 everything else is pre roll. 312 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:35,490 This is and this is the change in consumer behavior that people 313 00:19:35,490 --> 00:19:39,450 are fighting against in podcasting, maybe even more so. 314 00:19:40,260 --> 00:19:43,800 People don't want ads, they skip them, they don't care about 315 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,550 them. Of course, advertising works and i and i still if I 316 00:19:47,550 --> 00:19:50,850 think this the smartest ad and I'm just gonna call it that it's 317 00:19:50,850 --> 00:19:55,350 like a house ad is when James Cridland talks about captivate 318 00:19:55,590 --> 00:19:58,110 and it will talk about how great their launches and the great 319 00:19:58,110 --> 00:20:01,140 product and they'll say and by the way, I'm advisor you know 320 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:05,580 but now that and I think and I believe him when he says that I 321 00:20:05,580 --> 00:20:08,340 believe that he thinks is really good whatever product that is 322 00:20:08,370 --> 00:20:11,670 I'm cool with that whether you say I'm an advisor I got paid or 323 00:20:11,670 --> 00:20:15,630 it's my brother doesn't matter I love talking about products and 324 00:20:15,630 --> 00:20:20,850 I love being honest about them the cast scam is trashed is a 325 00:20:20,850 --> 00:20:21,660 piece of crap 326 00:20:22,170 --> 00:20:22,920 by the way 327 00:20:23,250 --> 00:20:24,300 I have it right here 328 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,420 yeah i love it i love the fact that you've gone back to the oh 329 00:20:27,420 --> 00:20:29,610 this I was so off my game 330 00:20:29,610 --> 00:20:34,740 I know it I got a really good response from from somebody 331 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,950 because the problem there is you are not getting the typical 332 00:20:37,950 --> 00:20:41,280 signal back from me you were getting uncompressed on poorly 333 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,430 mixed crap right that it just didn't sound right and it threw 334 00:20:44,430 --> 00:20:49,650 you off weird and it threw me off to someone said you know I 335 00:20:49,650 --> 00:20:52,290 heard I noticed the sound difference and although it did 336 00:20:52,290 --> 00:20:55,710 sound kind of nice it wasn't a problem I really felt like you 337 00:20:55,710 --> 00:21:02,340 died a little inside that's exactly right. That's what it 338 00:21:02,340 --> 00:21:04,020 felt like I died a little bit 339 00:21:04,380 --> 00:21:09,150 I felt like he felt like the the sound difference was so drastic 340 00:21:09,180 --> 00:21:11,910 that it was throwing your you off mentally 341 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,180 Oh, of course it was it's very important. Now I did 342 00:21:15,180 --> 00:21:18,690 I did this is like being in a warm blanket. You know? This is 343 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:19,230 perfect 344 00:21:19,260 --> 00:21:22,680 well I did just because I can't help myself I did order the 345 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,290 revelator I owe 24 from personas 346 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,480 oh you order that for the god voice 347 00:21:28,050 --> 00:21:31,650 well I ordered it because I looked at it and I said you know 348 00:21:31,650 --> 00:21:35,730 it's 199 bucks and who was who was who recommended this who was 349 00:21:35,730 --> 00:21:36,570 it someone on the map 350 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,410 that was Matt as Matt Matt Matt Harris from cast x right 351 00:21:40,439 --> 00:21:43,499 and and although he didn't answer the questions I had and I 352 00:21:43,499 --> 00:21:46,349 screw it I'm just going to order it and it came in and so after 353 00:21:46,349 --> 00:21:49,799 the show today I'm gonna hook it up I don't think it does what I 354 00:21:49,799 --> 00:21:52,589 need it to do but I might as well because all the minutes 355 00:21:52,589 --> 00:21:55,529 will do this because all of these boxes that are sold as you 356 00:21:55,529 --> 00:21:58,649 know all in one podcasting are perfect for perfect for 357 00:21:58,649 --> 00:22:03,779 podcasting. No No they're not they're missing things they're 358 00:22:03,779 --> 00:22:06,359 good they're good for someone doesn't know what they're doing 359 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:11,669 but they're not great and certainly not for live then you 360 00:22:11,669 --> 00:22:14,369 know they have a lot of great features and they could update 361 00:22:14,369 --> 00:22:17,279 all of this stuff in software I'm sure but they don't so 362 00:22:17,819 --> 00:22:20,759 anyway so I'm going to try this by will have to start sending 363 00:22:20,759 --> 00:22:24,719 stuff back Of course if I mean it would surprise me if this 364 00:22:24,719 --> 00:22:28,199 personas outdid the Moto because the Moto was just 365 00:22:28,949 --> 00:22:30,479 started doing unboxings 366 00:22:31,650 --> 00:22:37,290 Let me think no i did the unboxing before okay I guess 367 00:22:37,350 --> 00:22:37,950 exactly 368 00:22:38,370 --> 00:22:43,680 well i mean that that's yeah that's an inch the whole the 369 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:48,900 whole thing with with why people don't send you stuff to review 370 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,540 that along this line is me is beyond me 371 00:22:51,570 --> 00:22:56,220 I know I understand this so are the audio guy it's so obvious 372 00:22:56,340 --> 00:23:00,990 it's because that's not how it works you send it to the people 373 00:23:00,990 --> 00:23:04,080 who are going to give you a good review because they either paid 374 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:09,000 by you or you know they find that the box is good enough this 375 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,540 is they know that I will be honest and that I will talk 376 00:23:12,540 --> 00:23:16,650 about it I'm not going to sign NDA is and stuff so this is 377 00:23:16,650 --> 00:23:19,710 okay. I mean that's why I love talking about products because 378 00:23:19,710 --> 00:23:23,400 we have no advertising it's safe I like it or not. And you know 379 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,370 what? There's a new product I like from the same people who 380 00:23:26,370 --> 00:23:31,110 brought you Curio Castor the value caster. Did you see what 381 00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:31,560 he's done? 382 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,550 Oh, he taught me the thing with the list. Yeah, yeah, 383 00:23:35,580 --> 00:23:40,680 it's beautiful. And I can see we have 2189 valued and value 384 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,210 enabled podcasts. 385 00:23:43,170 --> 00:23:45,510 Many of those coming from 386 00:23:45,540 --> 00:23:48,900 our guest for today our guest Yes, I think we shall bring him 387 00:23:48,900 --> 00:23:51,990 in. Ladies and gentlemen, would you please welcome to the board 388 00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:56,970 meeting of podcasting. 2.2 point oh, from the promised land the 389 00:23:56,970 --> 00:24:00,930 master of the hive. Ladies, Gentlemen, sir Brian of London. 390 00:24:00,990 --> 00:24:07,830 Hey, pal of the pod. Hello, everybody. Good to be here. 391 00:24:08,100 --> 00:24:10,890 Brian. Do 45 minutes or 45 392 00:24:10,890 --> 00:24:15,090 minutes to give you a high pitch man. Like here we go. Now before 393 00:24:15,090 --> 00:24:18,810 actually, dude, you've really done something incredible 394 00:24:18,810 --> 00:24:23,850 against all odds. Mainly against mockery and people laughing 395 00:24:23,850 --> 00:24:27,510 behind your back. I know. You know we did it. Yeah. You 396 00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:28,620 really, really? 397 00:24:29,100 --> 00:24:29,550 Yep. 398 00:24:31,260 --> 00:24:36,990 You really did a super impressive thing with hive, 399 00:24:37,020 --> 00:24:41,760 enabling value for value and you know it. I'm not quite sure 400 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,060 exactly. I mean, I know it's all strung together and stuff and 401 00:24:45,450 --> 00:24:50,340 you provide very detailed reports of your progress. 402 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,330 Which people like our people love it. Oh 403 00:24:54,330 --> 00:24:57,300 yes. It's the first thing I look at in the morning. Screw pod 404 00:24:57,300 --> 00:24:59,970 News. I'm going straight to Brian of London's high report. 405 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,670 Well Yes, hello spring was that pumping was the gateway drug. 406 00:25:05,700 --> 00:25:09,540 You know, pumping was the pumping was how I got you. You 407 00:25:09,540 --> 00:25:13,410 hooked? Well that brings that there was something useful that 408 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:20,400 that brings up a good a good segue here into the interview 409 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:24,120 that heartland had with Chris Messina yesterday on yesterday's 410 00:25:24,120 --> 00:25:27,720 show Yeah, they were talking I thought it was overall I thought 411 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,900 it was a really good interview. And I like I think all of us 412 00:25:30,900 --> 00:25:35,220 nerds like hearing about you know, the old tech or not old 413 00:25:35,220 --> 00:25:37,890 tech but the way that the the way that these protocols came 414 00:25:37,890 --> 00:25:41,160 about and all that kind of stuff, we like that thing. And 415 00:25:41,250 --> 00:25:45,510 but then he he starts talking about about webs and that kind 416 00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:49,500 of deal. And I think obviously to be fair to him he was coming 417 00:25:49,500 --> 00:25:53,790 in cold I mean he didn't really he obviously didn't understand 418 00:25:53,910 --> 00:25:56,700 all the details of what we've been doing here. No, 419 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:02,370 no, I can't wait to give you my two cents on this. Okay, well, I 420 00:26:02,370 --> 00:26:03,000 know him. 421 00:26:03,659 --> 00:26:05,909 Oh Go Go give me your two cents right up front then. 422 00:26:06,330 --> 00:26:10,830 I remember the whole atom gang these were a bunch of assholes. 423 00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:16,710 And if I recall now I was a hell of a lot less sophistic I'm 424 00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:19,260 sorry Brian we're just gonna get right down to it I think we 425 00:26:19,260 --> 00:26:19,410 should 426 00:26:20,189 --> 00:26:21,569 I was there at that 427 00:26:21,630 --> 00:26:26,130 I know a lot of people were around five right so Weiner and 428 00:26:26,130 --> 00:26:30,960 I are you know we're doing we're doing the podcast we're doing 429 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:35,010 trade secrets I think was the show but we're but all the while 430 00:26:35,010 --> 00:26:40,500 you know we were developing the podcast the RSS 2.0 spec I guess 431 00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:45,960 and the way so I wasn't I had no idea what I was doing was not 432 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,770 sophisticated in programming any of this stuff. So this was my 433 00:26:49,770 --> 00:26:55,500 impression at the time and it was search surrounded show notes 434 00:26:55,500 --> 00:27:00,870 interestingly enough so i and i will say I completely myself 435 00:27:00,870 --> 00:27:04,500 came up with show notes the concept and including it with 436 00:27:04,890 --> 00:27:08,430 with a podcast and putting show notes into the feed and there 437 00:27:08,430 --> 00:27:11,670 was a group of people were like hey, you know, we need to have 438 00:27:11,820 --> 00:27:16,590 it it needs to be a tag item level tag in the in the feed for 439 00:27:16,590 --> 00:27:22,860 show notes. And Dave said no and and Dave said he said no, that's 440 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,690 Yeah, I know isn't crazy. And at that point, I really didn't have 441 00:27:27,690 --> 00:27:30,180 an opinion one way or the other I was happy putting adjusting 442 00:27:30,180 --> 00:27:33,150 the description and it didn't really matter to me I didn't see 443 00:27:33,150 --> 00:27:36,990 why there had to be like in hindsight I understand much 444 00:27:36,990 --> 00:27:40,170 better why people might have been asking for that. But Dave 445 00:27:40,170 --> 00:27:45,120 said no, and of course RSS is much more general than just 446 00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:48,360 podcasting. And he said you can always extend it with a 447 00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:52,200 namespace and and that was and I held on to that and of course 448 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,590 that has worked very favorably for the podcasting 2.0 project 449 00:27:55,590 --> 00:28:00,060 but then came the atom guys and and they also approached me like 450 00:28:00,060 --> 00:28:03,720 hey man, you should be using Adam like sucks and you know we 451 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,170 could do so much more and it's a lot richer and Microsoft 452 00:28:07,260 --> 00:28:13,200 supports it and they just seem slimy and they would you know, 453 00:28:13,260 --> 00:28:18,030 the conversations will get heated and would get nasty and 454 00:28:18,030 --> 00:28:23,340 so in then for a while there there was a there was a real 455 00:28:24,090 --> 00:28:28,020 push to get people to only put atom feed links on their 456 00:28:28,020 --> 00:28:32,070 websites and basically RSS one I mean it's just if there was ever 457 00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:37,380 a battle that RSS was involved in it one but the way that 458 00:28:38,700 --> 00:28:44,280 Muslim Chris Yes, yeah, Chris Messina the way he was talking 459 00:28:45,060 --> 00:28:49,080 was like well you know it to me it was sounded really 460 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,900 patronizing it's like well you know, what are these guys really 461 00:28:57,900 --> 00:29:00,420 know i mean didn't really think it through you know, and by the 462 00:29:00,420 --> 00:29:04,680 way we did have the Adam did all this we had all those things 463 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,290 arranged I'm doing the voice that he doesn't have but that's 464 00:29:07,290 --> 00:29:11,490 how it came across to me you see Okay, that was my two cents 465 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,590 Yeah. Brian. Before I do my thing i mean i don't want to 466 00:29:16,590 --> 00:29:18,690 invite you into the boardroom and then just like you know, 467 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:19,710 have a seminar here. 468 00:29:20,730 --> 00:29:24,690 Well the ping pop well that Firstly, they haven't invited me 469 00:29:24,690 --> 00:29:27,570 on the show to actually tell them how pumping came about or 470 00:29:27,570 --> 00:29:32,130 how it works so good point perhaps that will happen now i'm 471 00:29:32,130 --> 00:29:37,170 sure but the you know, the genesis of popping was was just 472 00:29:37,170 --> 00:29:41,130 that one dev meeting where you were going to you presented your 473 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:46,830 sort of, can I say hideously over complicated replacement for 474 00:29:46,830 --> 00:29:51,390 webs up that fair, you know, with with with the with the 475 00:29:51,390 --> 00:29:57,300 monster name because you call it Hydra? eyes? Yes. I just kept 476 00:29:57,300 --> 00:30:00,000 thinking this is what we're doing in hive, and it was like 477 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,400 We've got all these computers all over the world, they're 478 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,600 doing a whole big social network thing. And they can just do this 479 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,020 for breakfast. This is trivial because it's, it's less than a 480 00:30:10,020 --> 00:30:13,110 bit, you know, there's massive game that runs on hive, called 481 00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:16,950 splinter Lan, to just taken off in a huge way now, actually, I 482 00:30:16,950 --> 00:30:19,860 think they've signed up there millions player or something. 483 00:30:20,550 --> 00:30:24,300 And what we're doing with pulping is, you know, point one 484 00:30:24,300 --> 00:30:31,260 6% of the traffic that they generate. And it just, it just 485 00:30:31,260 --> 00:30:35,070 makes sense. And it's the first time it's the first time I you 486 00:30:35,070 --> 00:30:37,260 know, I've been doing the whole blockchain thing for a couple of 487 00:30:37,260 --> 00:30:42,570 years. Learning about it, using the cryptocurrencies and the 488 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:47,400 Bitcoin and all that. But I was also like, hugely skeptical 489 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,980 every time someone said to me, oh, you can use a blockchain for 490 00:30:49,980 --> 00:30:54,870 that, genuinely, you couldn't. And and I'm so pleased and proud 491 00:30:54,870 --> 00:30:59,820 that is this kind of other use for a blockchain. It's not 492 00:30:59,820 --> 00:31:04,020 money, it's not exchange of tokens. It's not NF T's or 493 00:31:04,020 --> 00:31:09,510 whatever they are. And, but it is, it is a use that we can't 494 00:31:09,510 --> 00:31:11,400 think of a better way of doing it right now. 495 00:31:12,450 --> 00:31:15,570 But you know, that's a good, that's a really good way to say 496 00:31:15,570 --> 00:31:21,270 it, because what I was hearing, I'll talk I'll give my opinion 497 00:31:21,270 --> 00:31:28,500 on the atom thing first, because Adam, Adam, and RSS. You know, 498 00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:35,310 the atom did solve a problem. It was I'm really, I'm very much 499 00:31:35,310 --> 00:31:40,020 resisting the the urge to say a better format, because I think 500 00:31:40,020 --> 00:31:43,950 that word is just not accurate. It's loaded. It's just not fair. 501 00:31:44,430 --> 00:31:49,350 But so the difference. To me, the main difference between Adam 502 00:31:49,380 --> 00:31:59,040 and RSS is that Adam is more opinionated about the basics in 503 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:04,920 a way that gives you a spec that is easier to consume in a in a 504 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,730 sane way. You know, I'll give you I'll give you some specific, 505 00:32:09,030 --> 00:32:13,320 specific reasons for that. One of the biggest weaknesses of RSS 506 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:18,660 2.0, and I'm talking about this purely from a consumer from an 507 00:32:18,660 --> 00:32:23,640 aggregator standpoint, one of RSS is big 221 is biggest 508 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:29,580 weaknesses. Is that Is not it does not specify clearly enough. 509 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:36,960 What the required, excuse me, is not the spec. It's, it does not 510 00:32:37,170 --> 00:32:43,110 have enough required base level tags. So, you know, just looking 511 00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:47,910 at the spec itself. So for an episode, okay. In the spec, it 512 00:32:47,910 --> 00:32:53,010 says, at the item level, all elements of an item are 513 00:32:53,010 --> 00:32:57,540 optional. However, at least one of title or description must be 514 00:32:57,540 --> 00:33:03,570 present. So you can literally have an RSS 2.0. item, item 515 00:33:03,870 --> 00:33:07,080 block. Yeah, it only has a title in it. 516 00:33:07,140 --> 00:33:12,840 Yeah. That was only and I know why he did that. Because why? 517 00:33:13,170 --> 00:33:17,580 Because he understood Twitter, before Twitter was Twitter. 518 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,270 The problem though, is you can't track that. 519 00:33:21,659 --> 00:33:24,539 Oh, I know. I'm not saying I'm not saying it was right. But I 520 00:33:24,539 --> 00:33:25,379 know why he did it. 521 00:33:25,949 --> 00:33:31,349 Yeah. So you can't like imagine a feed. Imagine an RSS feed that 522 00:33:31,349 --> 00:33:38,789 has 3000 items in it. All of which have only a title. 523 00:33:39,389 --> 00:33:42,239 Yeah, no GUI, no link, no, nothing unique, right? 524 00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:47,369 And every title is exactly the same string of text. Right? You 525 00:33:47,369 --> 00:33:50,939 cannot you can't that's untrackable you don't know if 526 00:33:50,939 --> 00:33:54,419 somebody deletes 1000 of them? Which 1000 do you delete? I 527 00:33:54,419 --> 00:33:58,709 mean, like, you have no idea what this that's, that's part of 528 00:33:58,709 --> 00:34:02,969 the issue with RSS. And so that's when with Adam, you get 529 00:34:02,969 --> 00:34:06,869 more sane base level required tag requirements that allow 530 00:34:06,869 --> 00:34:13,919 consumers of the feed to hand to to handle it properly. So that 531 00:34:13,949 --> 00:34:18,479 that to me like that, oh, this whole thing of ours is 2.0 this 532 00:34:18,479 --> 00:34:23,789 this lack of base level required tags has been just a fight 533 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:28,770 for forever, forever, forever. Forever. I've heard it so many 534 00:34:28,770 --> 00:34:29,310 times. 535 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,890 Yeah, it's uh, but so then if you what I think with Chris, 536 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:41,010 what he did he he's looking he thinks about web sub, you know, 537 00:34:41,460 --> 00:34:45,120 to him in this, I think a lot of people are like this in the in 538 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,420 the spec world. It's like, Oh, well, there's already a spec for 539 00:34:48,420 --> 00:34:52,140 that. Right. Right. But, you know, sometimes the spec 540 00:34:52,140 --> 00:34:53,940 doesn't, doesn't fit the use 541 00:34:53,939 --> 00:34:55,949 case doesn't take off for whatever reason. 542 00:34:56,459 --> 00:34:59,339 Yeah. Now web sub has you could say I don't know if you could 543 00:34:59,339 --> 00:35:03,539 say that. It's taken A lot of people use it. But the problem 544 00:35:03,539 --> 00:35:07,139 with web sub, and I've gone now said this a million times. But 545 00:35:07,139 --> 00:35:12,689 the problem was scribing. Yes, for podcast is the problem with 546 00:35:12,689 --> 00:35:20,219 web sub is scale. Web sub cannot scale in a way that in a way 547 00:35:20,219 --> 00:35:24,029 that doesn't make a lot of things fall down. It's the scale 548 00:35:24,359 --> 00:35:28,019 on paper website looks like a great protocol. And it is a 549 00:35:28,019 --> 00:35:32,909 great protocol. It's a great spec. But if you're if you're 550 00:35:32,909 --> 00:35:37,649 talking about subscribing to 5000 feeds, it works perfectly 551 00:35:37,649 --> 00:35:40,559 or even 25,000 feeds it works perfectly. When you're talking 552 00:35:40,559 --> 00:35:46,049 about subscribing to 2 million feeds. It come it just becomes a 553 00:35:46,049 --> 00:35:49,229 shit show. Only that is perfectly 554 00:35:49,500 --> 00:35:54,330 because Google is in the middle providing the massive lift. And 555 00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:59,700 that's one of the bits that scared me about it. Because you 556 00:35:59,700 --> 00:36:02,400 know, I've come from a background I got into I got into 557 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,220 crypto when I got banned from Facebook. There's no point going 558 00:36:05,220 --> 00:36:07,080 into why I was personally 559 00:36:07,079 --> 00:36:08,249 bad. Do you mean there's no point 560 00:36:08,250 --> 00:36:11,010 and no, no, no, Dave? Don't encourage him. There's no point. 561 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,800 Oh, yeah. Okay. No, I can say all right, so I was running. 562 00:36:14,130 --> 00:36:14,790 Facebook. Yeah, 563 00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:16,560 yes. She's 564 00:36:17,340 --> 00:36:19,200 Wait, wait, wait. 123 boosts? 565 00:36:20,579 --> 00:36:24,509 Yeah, boost this, I was running one of the biggest political 566 00:36:24,509 --> 00:36:27,839 Facebook pages in the UK, we have more than a million 567 00:36:27,839 --> 00:36:31,409 followers on you know, with the silly, silly numbers that 568 00:36:31,409 --> 00:36:38,669 Facebook gave you. And the the guy who I was running it for is 569 00:36:38,669 --> 00:36:43,289 controversial. Let's just put it that way. And we put out a video 570 00:36:43,289 --> 00:36:46,409 that attacked the BBC that showed the BBC to be doing some 571 00:36:46,439 --> 00:36:50,309 very, very bad things. And 24 hours later with a press 572 00:36:50,309 --> 00:36:56,879 release, Facebook deleted the page, deleted all, you know, all 573 00:36:56,879 --> 00:36:59,729 access to all the followers at all. Obviously, they deleted the 574 00:36:59,729 --> 00:37:03,389 personal pages of all of the people who had ever been admins 575 00:37:03,629 --> 00:37:10,199 on the page, which took out my my page. And it was gone. 576 00:37:10,259 --> 00:37:13,529 Whoosh, whoosh. And, and they actually told the press that it 577 00:37:13,529 --> 00:37:16,139 was because the page had called for the beheading of people, 578 00:37:16,619 --> 00:37:19,979 which we had never done, and there was no screenshot, and 579 00:37:19,979 --> 00:37:23,219 Facebook can get away with that. And they told us the Daily Mail 580 00:37:23,219 --> 00:37:26,369 before they even canceled the page. So I actually I saw the 581 00:37:26,369 --> 00:37:30,149 Daily Mail headline, and then only about 20 minutes later did 582 00:37:30,149 --> 00:37:31,139 the page disappear. 583 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,900 So that's what that's when you show up to work and the doors 584 00:37:33,900 --> 00:37:36,240 locked. And then you read in the news that they shut the place 585 00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:37,320 down or the school 586 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,880 burned down? Yeah, I got kicked off following 587 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:46,830 that I read, you know, I really got the message. You cannot rely 588 00:37:46,830 --> 00:37:51,480 on any of these, these these platforms. So anything like it, 589 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,360 as soon as I see Google in the middle of it, or Amazon or 590 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,840 Facebook or WhatsApp or any of these people, it's like I run a 591 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:02,910 million miles. And, you know, I know we all joke how many times 592 00:38:02,910 --> 00:38:07,440 I'm going to say hi, take a drink. But Clive is something 593 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:12,570 weirdly different. Because the I agree congri there's no company. 594 00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:16,380 And that I think going forward, you know if we're going to look 595 00:38:16,380 --> 00:38:20,640 at advertising as censorship, well, you know, the weak spot of 596 00:38:20,820 --> 00:38:27,120 all media is going to be anybody who has a masthead, anybody 597 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,960 who's got an LLC, a sign on the door, a place where the where 598 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,140 the FBI can turn up with, with sledgehammers one morning and 599 00:38:34,140 --> 00:38:35,430 steal the computers from me 600 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,480 that I think that you make a really good point about Google 601 00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:43,800 sort of being the thing that props up website and the whole 602 00:38:43,860 --> 00:38:46,950 the whole website ecosystem right now. I don't think that 603 00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:52,440 that is I think that is a critical, critical point. 604 00:38:52,620 --> 00:38:57,030 Because imagine, okay, let's imagine that you have a really 605 00:38:57,900 --> 00:39:03,540 fairly popular podcast. And let's, let's just say you're 606 00:39:03,540 --> 00:39:07,620 running it on your web, on your power press your web, web, what 607 00:39:07,620 --> 00:39:11,070 am I talking about WordPress server. And, you know, it's got 608 00:39:11,070 --> 00:39:16,200 a power press has webs are baked into it. Let's just all of a 609 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:20,550 sudden, let's say that you get you go from, you know, 300 610 00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:26,970 subscribers to, I don't know, let's just say 250,000. So now, 611 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:33,750 your web, your WordPress box, has to send web subscriptions 612 00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:38,580 for 250,000 subscribers. That's not gonna happen. You know, and 613 00:39:38,580 --> 00:39:41,550 you can't cash it. You can't cash it. It's got to be live. 614 00:39:41,550 --> 00:39:44,580 It's got to be reachable. It's just that's what I'm saying is 615 00:39:44,580 --> 00:39:48,210 the scale the scale may it makes that that protocol untenable. If 616 00:39:48,210 --> 00:39:48,570 anyone 617 00:39:48,570 --> 00:39:51,360 is interested in what we're talking about pod ping can be 618 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:57,510 watched at pod ping dot watch. It is fascinating to see every 619 00:39:57,540 --> 00:39:59,970 Gosh, I guess it's every 10 seconds. Right with the block. 620 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,810 dates you just see that three or three seconds oh it seems like 621 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,470 okay three second block well then I'm getting I'm getting 622 00:40:07,470 --> 00:40:09,450 something here we go boom another one's just about 10 623 00:40:09,450 --> 00:40:14,460 seconds in between and it's just a fantastic view of podcasts 624 00:40:14,460 --> 00:40:19,380 that have been updated now is this purely from the external 625 00:40:19,380 --> 00:40:23,040 pings? Are we doing internals now as well? Or where are we at 626 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,470 what is this showing these is only showing people who are 627 00:40:25,470 --> 00:40:29,730 clearly exiting purely external and so we still don't have 628 00:40:29,730 --> 00:40:31,770 anchor participating obviously. 629 00:40:32,579 --> 00:40:37,289 The one the host that I want to get on pod ping, there's nothing 630 00:40:37,289 --> 00:40:40,559 brown would agree Yes, Lipson. Definitely lips and what 631 00:40:40,559 --> 00:40:42,329 the fuck is wrong with you Lipson. 632 00:40:43,019 --> 00:40:47,939 Sorry, listen, save the world. save the world. Now, because the 633 00:40:47,939 --> 00:40:50,879 energy you know that that's the other thing and I am not a 634 00:40:50,879 --> 00:40:54,479 greeny though I did dry I drove an electric car. Five years it 635 00:40:54,479 --> 00:40:54,659 was 636 00:40:54,660 --> 00:40:57,420 another scam. I'm yours with these damn replaceable 637 00:40:57,420 --> 00:41:00,390 batteries. Another another failed adventure Brian. 638 00:41:00,990 --> 00:41:01,920 It was cool. 639 00:41:02,250 --> 00:41:06,120 It was cool. I met but now you're in the paddleboard game 640 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:07,170 so that's exactly 641 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:15,150 now I saw all that stuff. But if you know this, it's censorship. 642 00:41:15,180 --> 00:41:18,180 I'm trying to get around censorship always. So how can we 643 00:41:18,180 --> 00:41:22,470 censor hive? The truth is we can't stop anybody pod pinging 644 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,970 we can choose whose pod pings to ignore Yeah, if you do that. 645 00:41:26,970 --> 00:41:30,540 Yeah, that's it. It's permissionless it's permission 646 00:41:30,570 --> 00:41:32,820 Anyone? Anyone can jump in so forth. 647 00:41:33,150 --> 00:41:37,680 Yeah, beautiful. It is truly a thing of beauty. 648 00:41:38,730 --> 00:41:43,350 Oh yeah, I mean if Lipson would get on board I would love to 649 00:41:43,350 --> 00:41:46,050 have a cast on board. The those guys 650 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,920 Stacy's over there now isn't she? Yeah, okay, so I should 651 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:50,430 make it happen. 652 00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:55,590 Like there's there's about SoundCloud Oh God, I would love 653 00:41:55,590 --> 00:41:58,470 to have SoundCloud doing doing pod bank because they're, 654 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,200 they're a pain in the butt to do 655 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,390 and if this was really this pod, 656 00:42:03,420 --> 00:42:06,270 this SoundCloud does anybody even know anybody that works at 657 00:42:06,270 --> 00:42:09,300 SoundCloud Is it one of the is it just a black box or does 658 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:14,250 you know they got they were bought a long time ago who 659 00:42:14,250 --> 00:42:18,000 bought them I forgot who bought them and that's when they 660 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,850 announced they were doing RSS feeds and but they've they've 661 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,460 you know they're always going to kind of be the thing where you 662 00:42:23,460 --> 00:42:27,600 put your music up and and people comment on I don't know maybe 663 00:42:28,530 --> 00:42:29,010 they well 664 00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:34,860 Brian to talk about the the Rube Goldberg machine that is the 665 00:42:34,860 --> 00:42:37,410 hive to lightning gate. Lightning 666 00:42:37,410 --> 00:42:39,900 Bolt Hold on a second hold on let me get ready for you Brian. 667 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,870 I wanted to know I need I need Adam Curry to purses. I've got 668 00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:50,010 high power button 669 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,320 do we have this Do I have a jingle that is that is just that 670 00:42:55,620 --> 00:43:02,550 you can do it I just thought I had that screen and I 671 00:43:02,550 --> 00:43:07,230 should have had that let me go No. 672 00:43:08,820 --> 00:43:13,770 Yeah, okay so that what I put in place you know at first I sort 673 00:43:13,770 --> 00:43:17,010 of I looked at the lightning and I thought what is this? If 674 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:21,660 lightning is the Rube Goldberg machine because I can send I did 675 00:43:21,660 --> 00:43:27,660 say yes but I've been able to send any amount of hives that I 676 00:43:27,660 --> 00:43:31,950 want which you know some of it's even denominated in US dollars i 677 00:43:31,950 --> 00:43:35,670 can send it anywhere in the world without worrying about how 678 00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:39,630 many channels I've got open and we're where the beads are on the 679 00:43:39,630 --> 00:43:42,930 abacus. I mean really think about my Abacus 680 00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:46,589 man I'm letting you go Brian go ahead man. We can take I can 681 00:43:46,589 --> 00:43:49,529 take a few more hands it's good. You hit us with them come on. 682 00:43:50,369 --> 00:43:50,969 Bring it bring 683 00:43:50,970 --> 00:43:54,090 me right No, no, I'm good. I'm you're gonna like the payback. 684 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:58,890 But I did after after looking at it really carefully because 685 00:43:58,890 --> 00:44:02,310 that's the point is that you can't dismiss these technologies 686 00:44:02,310 --> 00:44:06,150 that so many people have worked on for so long, you know, you're 687 00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:08,760 not doing yourself a disservice if you just dismiss them out of 688 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,870 hand. So by looking at it closely, I realized it can do 689 00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:16,320 something which hive really can't do and which very few 690 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,580 other kryptos have managed which is this spinning up of anonymous 691 00:44:20,580 --> 00:44:24,660 small wallet really easily to get whether they're custodial or 692 00:44:24,660 --> 00:44:27,840 noncustodial It doesn't matter. You get a thing on your phone 693 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,630 and you have 20,000 SATs in it which is an amount of money that 694 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:35,640 anybody with $1,000 iPhone doesn't care about Okay, you 695 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:39,420 know if you're carrying about a 20,000 SATs on your iPhone, you 696 00:44:39,420 --> 00:44:42,720 shouldn't be building the iPhone right? And you know, that's a 697 00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:48,390 good point. Yeah, we can all we all but having these little 698 00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:52,680 wallets that you can make these micro payments out of that cool 699 00:44:52,830 --> 00:44:54,090 and they're anonymous, which is 700 00:44:54,090 --> 00:44:57,840 a good point. I never thought that that is that is as a USP 701 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,320 for lightning, but I see exactly what you're saying. Yeah I guess 702 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:02,580 so I guess so 703 00:45:02,609 --> 00:45:07,229 because because one of the costs within hive hive carries quite a 704 00:45:07,229 --> 00:45:11,579 high cost to create an account because you've got to have I 705 00:45:11,579 --> 00:45:14,639 mean an internal sort of cost it's mostly hidden from the 706 00:45:14,639 --> 00:45:15,089 users 707 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,450 I know I know what you need yeah you need high 708 00:45:20,519 --> 00:45:28,109 you actually do you do and I got enough I know now but that 709 00:45:28,109 --> 00:45:30,929 that's always been the onboarding problem for hi so 710 00:45:31,079 --> 00:45:34,289 this thing of having all what you've built so far with the 711 00:45:34,289 --> 00:45:38,969 value for value with apps able to have wallets with small 712 00:45:38,969 --> 00:45:42,629 amounts you know with with with pocket money in them and to just 713 00:45:42,629 --> 00:45:46,289 send that out that works really well but on the receiving side 714 00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:50,159 is where I think pi bring something new to the party 715 00:45:50,159 --> 00:45:55,889 because you know, once I got my own little umbral, Raspberry Pi 716 00:45:55,889 --> 00:45:58,889 umbral node running and stuff and I went through like it took 717 00:45:58,889 --> 00:46:02,369 me more than 10 days to synchronize it it's better now 718 00:46:03,389 --> 00:46:07,319 that is you know it's that's that's not gonna happen I know 719 00:46:07,319 --> 00:46:10,379 you dream of everybody having their own node Adam but it's 720 00:46:10,379 --> 00:46:11,699 really a my you 721 00:46:11,699 --> 00:46:18,509 really don't know me Brian. I've really given up on that dream. I 722 00:46:18,509 --> 00:46:21,689 know I just I know what will happen eventually but it's gonna 723 00:46:21,689 --> 00:46:22,289 be a while. 724 00:46:23,099 --> 00:46:26,189 I mean, I'm just really proud that when I told my kid 725 00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:31,139 yesterday that to the day before that twitch had been hacked and 726 00:46:31,139 --> 00:46:33,899 I said he needs to change his password he wrote back said I 727 00:46:33,899 --> 00:46:37,829 already know and his password is in one password so I'm teaching 728 00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:41,039 my kids well but the rest of my family they haven't got a clue 729 00:46:41,039 --> 00:46:44,519 what password sanity you know, safety is they're all using the 730 00:46:44,519 --> 00:46:48,029 same passwords on everything. And these people are not going 731 00:46:48,029 --> 00:46:51,449 to be running their own lightning nodes. So for that, 732 00:46:51,869 --> 00:46:55,829 and hive is not perfect, but it is a lot easier to receive stuff 733 00:46:55,829 --> 00:46:59,009 because you can go to bed at night without a computer in your 734 00:46:59,009 --> 00:47:02,489 house running and you can just receive Hi, so what I've built 735 00:47:02,699 --> 00:47:04,709 is just that little bridge it takes some lightning that 736 00:47:04,709 --> 00:47:08,579 arrives on my node and I immediately pay it out as hype 737 00:47:08,909 --> 00:47:14,429 and that works I've got a lot of work to do on scaling but it 738 00:47:14,429 --> 00:47:15,299 works for now. 739 00:47:16,350 --> 00:47:18,000 It's go ahead dude. 740 00:47:18,449 --> 00:47:24,119 Yeah, one of the things that makes me sort of one thing that 741 00:47:24,119 --> 00:47:27,599 makes me happy about this whole thing is the three speak stuff 742 00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:33,869 Yeah, because that is truly a an onboard like you can This is me 743 00:47:33,899 --> 00:47:34,409 it 744 00:47:34,410 --> 00:47:38,820 makes a massive edit massive onboarding. Yeah massive are 745 00:47:38,820 --> 00:47:42,120 people aware people aware Okay, 746 00:47:42,389 --> 00:47:44,969 I'll tell you why I tell you what's being built 747 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,130 seems seems like we need to help with some marketing or 748 00:47:47,130 --> 00:47:49,110 something. Yeah, 749 00:47:49,500 --> 00:47:50,550 this is part of 750 00:47:50,550 --> 00:47:52,890 it. We don't need to help anybody with marketing but 751 00:47:54,540 --> 00:47:57,330 hey, you know I'm the pod father I can appear 752 00:47:58,050 --> 00:48:02,370 Yeah, call people ugly mind the scenes three speaker doing a 753 00:48:02,370 --> 00:48:07,110 huge amount of work on on backend stuff, which is to make, 754 00:48:07,410 --> 00:48:12,150 which is to incentivize sport, mass storage, and a kind of 755 00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:16,830 content delivery network. And they're going to build a token 756 00:48:16,830 --> 00:48:21,720 system and that just it's really clever, but they're really 757 00:48:21,720 --> 00:48:26,310 focused on that. But I have got a little bit of resources with 758 00:48:26,310 --> 00:48:31,710 them to just turn them into what I think they can be immediately 759 00:48:31,860 --> 00:48:36,510 which is the first video podcast hopes yes in years yeah, cuz 760 00:48:36,510 --> 00:48:41,160 nobody's done it. YouTube. YouTube used to be and I 761 00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,910 remember the earliest days of YouTube I put up a video of Ann 762 00:48:44,910 --> 00:48:47,910 Coulter that got millions of millions of hits, you know 763 00:48:47,910 --> 00:48:52,470 stolen from the BBC. Of course. It used to have RSS feeds for 764 00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:58,020 your videos, right? I remember and, and I've put RSS feeds into 765 00:48:58,020 --> 00:49:01,800 three speak. Now the bit that's just on the verge of being 766 00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,430 published is a back end which will all it's really simple all 767 00:49:05,430 --> 00:49:08,880 it will do is let the channel owners set the podcast title the 768 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:14,280 description, and you know, an iTunes Apple compliant and, and 769 00:49:14,340 --> 00:49:17,490 people there don't understand why I'm going so nuts to say it 770 00:49:17,490 --> 00:49:19,200 has to be Apple compliant. 771 00:49:19,289 --> 00:49:22,859 Here's the question. Here's a weird question. So what if 772 00:49:22,919 --> 00:49:26,459 someone posts a new sensor in hive land anyway? someone posts 773 00:49:26,459 --> 00:49:30,449 a new video on three speak. Shouldn't it just basically hit 774 00:49:30,449 --> 00:49:34,379 pod ping and pod ping? Oh, go? Oh, cause I don't have you. 775 00:49:34,409 --> 00:49:36,449 You're now in the database. That's how it works. 776 00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:41,520 It does. Yeah. Right now I've got a Lenovo t 530 777 00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:45,030 laptop stop trying to impress me Stop trying to impress me. 778 00:49:45,690 --> 00:49:49,740 It's running Ubuntu. And it just sits at my parents house. And it 779 00:49:49,740 --> 00:49:52,590 watches the hive blockchain every time it sees a new post by 780 00:49:52,590 --> 00:49:56,460 three speak it turns it into a pod. So that's because we tried 781 00:49:56,460 --> 00:49:58,950 to find in the source code. It was easy now 782 00:49:58,950 --> 00:50:01,800 is this a do you think? is a good long term permanent 783 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:09,360 solution. Just asking because the thing is Brian, Brian, I 784 00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:13,020 have to I have to say, I'm fucking with you because you are 785 00:50:13,020 --> 00:50:17,580 exactly like me in that regard. Dave. Dave can attest to it. I'm 786 00:50:17,580 --> 00:50:21,810 exactly that way. I got a laptop and it's running and it's doing 787 00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,720 its bridging this but it can't be unplugged because the battery 788 00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:29,820 dies in 10 seconds. You're like me so I'm laughing with you at 789 00:50:29,820 --> 00:50:31,020 myself believe me. 790 00:50:31,079 --> 00:50:35,729 I absolutely know and listen my first computer was the xetex 81 791 00:50:35,789 --> 00:50:37,739 I think I said exceed 80 792 00:50:37,740 --> 00:50:42,330 yeah the ad no yeah, you know why? 793 00:50:42,989 --> 00:50:45,779 Yes. Why you gotta have handlers that's why you have handlers I 794 00:50:45,779 --> 00:50:47,579 mean Adams handler Gates 795 00:50:47,580 --> 00:50:54,360 is a chaperone we do this it's completely it's completely true 796 00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:55,800 escorted me through a Dave 797 00:50:58,289 --> 00:50:59,009 you know what 798 00:50:59,699 --> 00:51:05,189 we needed so not but now we need I mean, the missing link is 799 00:51:05,219 --> 00:51:09,029 we're nice we're not here's what we really need if I can just say 800 00:51:09,029 --> 00:51:11,669 it'd be easy and you could sink your teeth into this Brian you 801 00:51:11,669 --> 00:51:15,059 could do this is you ready? You want me to tell you what you 802 00:51:15,059 --> 00:51:20,789 should be doing you sir Brian of London in Israel you should be 803 00:51:20,789 --> 00:51:25,049 building the three speak video app 804 00:51:25,590 --> 00:51:26,790 and doing it 805 00:51:27,269 --> 00:51:29,219 okay and it was great having you on the show 806 00:51:30,599 --> 00:51:33,869 but it's got to run it can't be running on a Lenovo laptop No 807 00:51:33,869 --> 00:51:34,079 no, 808 00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:39,030 no it has to it has to be in anyone will jump in to help but 809 00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:41,970 we need a way to just make a web app don't don't fuck around with 810 00:51:41,970 --> 00:51:42,810 anything else 811 00:51:43,289 --> 00:51:46,139 now but this is the beauty of what you've built so far we 812 00:51:46,139 --> 00:51:49,529 don't need it because the apple This is why I have to get back 813 00:51:49,529 --> 00:51:53,579 to why I'm I'm going nuts making them more comply with Apple's 814 00:51:53,849 --> 00:51:58,679 podcast requirements is because our video app is the podcast app 815 00:51:58,799 --> 00:52:04,049 in Apple which is unblockable it's not going to be taken off 816 00:52:04,049 --> 00:52:09,059 the iPhone store and and it's gonna be every one of the web to 817 00:52:09,059 --> 00:52:12,899 face is going to be every one of the podcasting 2.0 apps I want I 818 00:52:12,899 --> 00:52:16,769 want everything everywhere. So I don't I mean if 819 00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:19,950 I can just make if I can just make a thing just make a 820 00:52:19,950 --> 00:52:28,950 recommendation. People have been trained to interact with video 821 00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:34,320 differently and I'm always surprised when I hear someone 822 00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:38,400 say particularly around here you know a lot of people very sick 823 00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:42,330 and tired of Silicon Valley. So I don't watch the YouTube 824 00:52:42,330 --> 00:52:47,640 anymore I watched bits you so and they're using bits shoot to 825 00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:50,790 you know, look at other things and surf around and to them that 826 00:52:50,790 --> 00:52:54,450 is not a podcast app. And podcasting is a whole different 827 00:52:54,450 --> 00:52:58,470 app even though it could be all the same thing. I believe that 828 00:52:58,500 --> 00:53:02,970 that will happen. But if there was one dedicated app that only 829 00:53:02,970 --> 00:53:07,680 showed three speak.tv and had a wallet in there and had a whole 830 00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:12,630 front to back mechanism I think it would be fucking killer and 831 00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:14,520 that would take people to three speak 832 00:53:14,999 --> 00:53:19,229 yeah yeah now listen, I'm I'm with you and it's a matter of 833 00:53:19,229 --> 00:53:22,409 the ocean that's that we're trying to boil here. And 834 00:53:22,679 --> 00:53:25,319 now you're not listening to me. You just need to find my 835 00:53:25,319 --> 00:53:26,279 commands. 836 00:53:26,670 --> 00:53:32,070 I have three speakers go you know that they're working in the 837 00:53:32,070 --> 00:53:35,070 different direction which is to incentivize backend storage 838 00:53:35,070 --> 00:53:38,250 because that's the other part we're all looking at the guy who 839 00:53:38,490 --> 00:53:42,630 speak the guys at hive they're looking how do we stop people 840 00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:46,590 being taken off to the web right and at the moment you know you 841 00:53:46,590 --> 00:53:49,770 you latched on to ipfs quite early but it's a it's a 842 00:53:49,770 --> 00:53:50,520 catastrophe 843 00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:54,990 we'd never if if it was meant to be we would have done it because 844 00:53:54,990 --> 00:53:57,600 it's been in the freedom controller for years it just 845 00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:01,680 never had never had this we've seen the failures with the with 846 00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:05,190 the index download it's just a lot of parts that can that can 847 00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:08,160 mess up and quite honestly i think you know, we're really 848 00:54:08,190 --> 00:54:13,200 ipfs is really the the the NFT infrastructure of choice and 849 00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,540 that's really what they're focused on and you know, and the 850 00:54:15,540 --> 00:54:18,570 nice guys and everything who are doing all that but I understand 851 00:54:18,570 --> 00:54:19,740 they got their focus on the end. 852 00:54:19,860 --> 00:54:24,270 dhts in general are just too they're just too slow and narky 853 00:54:24,270 --> 00:54:26,010 for for this stuff. Yeah, yeah. 854 00:54:26,340 --> 00:54:29,460 Well, I've got some confidence in what they're building but 855 00:54:29,460 --> 00:54:32,040 there's no point me You know, I'm not the expert in what 856 00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,670 they're they're building out but but the goal here, the goal is 857 00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:40,890 always decentralized, but not crazy decentralized. So we're 858 00:54:40,890 --> 00:54:43,560 never going to store video on a blockchain. That's ridiculous. 859 00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,890 We know that. But we're going to store all the indexing 860 00:54:46,890 --> 00:54:50,730 information on the hive blockchain at the moment to tell 861 00:54:50,730 --> 00:54:54,030 you where to find stuff. And that makes that makes a lot of 862 00:54:54,030 --> 00:54:58,260 sense. And it's a part of ipfs that doesn't work well today and 863 00:54:58,260 --> 00:55:01,710 the other part of ipfs that's just not There is incentivizing. 864 00:55:01,740 --> 00:55:04,980 And for that, that's another part that blockchains bring, 865 00:55:04,980 --> 00:55:08,400 because you can do these micro payments, you can reward people 866 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:13,020 for storing video of other people's. And the point is to 867 00:55:13,020 --> 00:55:18,510 build these these communities as you call them tribes. And that 868 00:55:18,630 --> 00:55:22,950 that then becomes powerful if if you can get self incentivizing 869 00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:27,480 communities really, really run around a creator or a group of 870 00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,300 creators. And that's the direction they're going in. And 871 00:55:30,300 --> 00:55:33,840 I'm, I'm literally I'm bolting this value for value stuff on 872 00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,110 the side, but it's become very, very popular. And a lot of 873 00:55:37,110 --> 00:55:41,100 people on hive are watching what I'm building want to help and 874 00:55:41,100 --> 00:55:41,790 are helping. 875 00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:46,830 Yeah, yeah, yeah, Happy ipfs it's great, it would be fine for 876 00:55:46,830 --> 00:55:51,180 the enclosure. Like for storage, it's just that some people are 877 00:55:51,180 --> 00:55:53,790 trying to deliver, like the seat itself, and that kind of thing 878 00:55:53,790 --> 00:55:57,600 of rubbish. And I think that takes it too far. It's, it's, 879 00:55:57,630 --> 00:56:01,050 it's great for distributed, distributing, you know, big 880 00:56:01,050 --> 00:56:04,410 data, big blobs of data, but it's just not, it's not a 881 00:56:04,410 --> 00:56:08,460 robust, fast solution for some of these things. It's just, it 882 00:56:08,460 --> 00:56:13,860 just falls down. I think I think what I think that's the that's 883 00:56:13,860 --> 00:56:16,560 the thing about, that's another thing about blockchain, 884 00:56:17,010 --> 00:56:22,080 blockchain technology is something that's relatively new. 885 00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:25,290 And so back when a lot of these protocols were developed, things 886 00:56:25,290 --> 00:56:29,370 like, like pub sub hubbub, and a lot of these, these older 887 00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:34,320 protocols, old doesn't equal bad. The only problem with with 888 00:56:34,380 --> 00:56:40,590 OLED is that sometimes it gets supplanted by a new thing. For a 889 00:56:40,590 --> 00:56:47,100 use case, it's just better. So for my black blockchains, they, 890 00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:52,530 they have a limited use, but for the things that they're good at, 891 00:56:52,740 --> 00:56:56,640 wow, they're really, really good at that thing. And it's hard to 892 00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,910 even compete with how good they are at that thing. And 893 00:56:59,910 --> 00:57:03,120 blockchains didn't, you know, didn't, for all intents and 894 00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:07,020 purposes didn't exist in the world in a usable way back when 895 00:57:07,020 --> 00:57:10,680 things like puffs of hubbub, and these things were developed. So 896 00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,740 give me some sometimes, yeah, I'm a big proponent, we're 897 00:57:13,740 --> 00:57:18,240 extending RSS, I mean, I'm a big proponent of, of the old does 898 00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,840 not equal bad, and you take something that works, and it 899 00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:26,010 works well. And even if it's 20 years old, you just improve it 900 00:57:26,010 --> 00:57:28,740 and keep on going forward, because it's stupid to try to 901 00:57:28,740 --> 00:57:32,490 reinvent the wheel. But there are, there are certainly 902 00:57:32,490 --> 00:57:36,210 circumstances and I think, you know, things like the hive 903 00:57:36,210 --> 00:57:42,390 blockchain that are fast, app centric, blockchains, public 904 00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:47,130 blockchains, that those things can solve some problems that are 905 00:57:47,130 --> 00:57:50,670 very difficult to solve in other ways. And I think in those in 906 00:57:50,670 --> 00:57:54,690 those instances, it makes a lot of sense to take an older 907 00:57:54,690 --> 00:57:59,310 protocol in and just push it to the side and replace it with 908 00:57:59,310 --> 00:58:02,580 something new that is native to that new technology. I think 909 00:58:02,580 --> 00:58:03,600 that makes a lot of sense. 910 00:58:04,409 --> 00:58:07,619 Well, the RSS thing, you know, everything we're doing with 911 00:58:07,619 --> 00:58:11,849 podcast, podcasting is original internet, it's pre Facebook, 912 00:58:11,849 --> 00:58:17,459 it's pre Google large, you know, it's pre not pre Google, but pre 913 00:58:17,459 --> 00:58:24,119 the massive commercialization of the internet. And that, that 914 00:58:24,119 --> 00:58:28,619 what that's so important, and what I like about hive is in 915 00:58:28,619 --> 00:58:31,829 particular, which is not out there in all the other projects, 916 00:58:31,949 --> 00:58:36,209 it really isn't, is this this thing of not being able to point 917 00:58:36,239 --> 00:58:39,119 at the owner, not even be able to point at the Creator, the 918 00:58:39,119 --> 00:58:44,159 creators of all left you we've got this group where where 919 00:58:44,159 --> 00:58:48,239 nobody can say, I don't think there's a single owner over 3% 920 00:58:48,239 --> 00:58:53,219 that's no, and that's that, that token distribution thing is very 921 00:58:53,219 --> 00:58:57,689 important for this to stop censorship. As soon as you have 922 00:58:57,899 --> 00:59:02,609 a critical if you've got one person who Oh, you know, what 923 00:59:02,609 --> 00:59:06,149 happens when vitalik when when he comes under pressure? We 924 00:59:06,149 --> 00:59:09,329 don't know. And we don't know what happens when the Ethereum 925 00:59:09,389 --> 00:59:14,699 foundation comes under pressure. You know, I hope lightning 926 00:59:14,759 --> 00:59:19,079 avoids that but you know, things like strike worry me because 927 00:59:19,859 --> 00:59:25,019 they they can be become too large. And then then they become 928 00:59:25,019 --> 00:59:28,859 a critical point, which pressure can be applied, you know, if so 929 00:59:28,859 --> 00:59:32,909 much of the liquidity is moving around and strike. But we're 930 00:59:32,909 --> 00:59:34,289 getting too technical and deep. 931 00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:38,790 Well, no, not at all. And I think we were in we're in 932 00:59:38,790 --> 00:59:42,900 complete agreement with you and every single piece every single 933 00:59:43,170 --> 00:59:46,350 custodial solution, of course, there's there's all kinds of 934 00:59:46,350 --> 00:59:51,000 issues, but look at what we're talking about. Now, right here 935 00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:54,990 we we are talking. I mean, if you just step back for a second, 936 00:59:55,170 --> 00:59:58,590 we're a bunch of goombazz and we're talking about you know how 937 00:59:58,590 --> 01:00:02,280 we're using the currency That we are intimately involved in, 938 01:00:02,460 --> 01:00:05,610 we're not talking about money, we're talking about something 939 01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:10,290 and a whole different plane. And I'm not quite sure how to 940 01:00:10,710 --> 01:00:15,480 verbalize this. But it is really, I mean, we are in an 941 01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:20,100 incredibly beautiful place right now when these are the issues is 942 01:00:20,100 --> 01:00:22,680 like how do we make our money work with your money? This is 943 01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:26,670 fucking cool. This is this is a great time to it's a great time 944 01:00:26,670 --> 01:00:27,780 to be a podcaster. 945 01:00:28,500 --> 01:00:32,790 I mean, you know, I know running everything on a laptop behind me 946 01:00:32,790 --> 01:00:37,740 is not tenable. And that's why that you know that the, I put in 947 01:00:37,740 --> 01:00:41,640 a grant application on the decentralized hi fund and I was 948 01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:45,240 awarded it. And actually, the bit that I really need the money 949 01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:49,230 for is that I don't want to be running the only hive to 950 01:00:49,230 --> 01:00:52,650 lightning bridge. I do not want that because at some point the 951 01:00:52,650 --> 01:00:56,100 Israeli tax authorities will show up here and as you know, 952 01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:57,090 you know, right now, 953 01:00:57,270 --> 01:01:01,500 you're totally going to jail. I mean, we know that you're 954 01:01:02,429 --> 01:01:06,809 actually they rounded up 26 people here this week. For a 955 01:01:06,809 --> 01:01:10,799 real scam, you know, proper. Exactly. 956 01:01:10,889 --> 01:01:12,419 There's the door. Hey, 957 01:01:12,449 --> 01:01:16,799 so do you want to go on record right now just in public? That 958 01:01:17,069 --> 01:01:17,519 you're 959 01:01:18,299 --> 01:01:20,399 not suicidal? I think that'd be probably 960 01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:25,080 Yeah, I do not like hot tubs and I have no nothing to do with 961 01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:25,440 general 962 01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:29,010 aids, small, small aircraft. General Aviation hot tubs do not 963 01:01:29,010 --> 01:01:32,100 go canoeing anywhere. This is also deemed to have very 964 01:01:32,099 --> 01:01:36,239 unhealthy. Yes. yielding less than booked for Sunday. Oh, no, 965 01:01:36,239 --> 01:01:36,449 you're 966 01:01:36,450 --> 01:01:40,200 going. All right. All right. Hey, listen, can we talk to your 967 01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:41,880 wife about running the Lenovo? 968 01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:51,960 The point is, I'm going to decentralize this. The whole 969 01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:55,170 point is I want to write code that I can put on GitHub, and 970 01:01:55,170 --> 01:01:58,470 anybody can run one of these gateways. And then hive will 971 01:01:58,500 --> 01:02:01,800 will route the payments and sort of share them out amongst 972 01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:05,040 people. And very cool central very cool. 973 01:02:08,369 --> 01:02:13,169 images may check Brian you are your node your because you have 974 01:02:13,169 --> 01:02:19,259 two lightning nodes I see here. You have I see a value v four v. 975 01:02:20,189 --> 01:02:23,849 And the pay dot v four v dot app. Five something. 976 01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,450 The one you need to use is actually I've put up a GitHub 977 01:02:27,450 --> 01:02:34,050 page with my value block. So I'll send that to you. That's 978 01:02:34,050 --> 01:02:35,100 the one to put in. 979 01:02:36,570 --> 01:02:41,550 Is it Oh 3966 I don't know. You don't know your boss. You don't 980 01:02:41,550 --> 01:02:43,410 know your public ID by heart. 981 01:02:43,710 --> 01:02:46,440 It's like no one the first because 60 characters is high. 982 01:02:47,070 --> 01:02:50,970 Because my hive username is Brian of London, which you can 983 01:02:50,970 --> 01:02:51,420 type. 984 01:02:51,630 --> 01:02:54,780 Yeah, but when you type in, you type in Brian of London, you 985 01:02:54,780 --> 01:02:57,900 immediately get Brian of London hair salon. Texas. Yeah. 986 01:02:58,890 --> 01:03:05,340 Texas. He got there before me. Got my brand of London name came 987 01:03:05,340 --> 01:03:08,370 and I was taken by surprise by a lesbian. It's a law. You know, 988 01:03:08,670 --> 01:03:13,080 it was it was it was excuse me to radio. I was doing right now. 989 01:03:13,259 --> 01:03:17,009 Hold on a second. Hold on. Hold on a second. I think it's okay. 990 01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:21,599 We had 45 minutes of hive now equal airtime. 45 minutes for 991 01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:26,369 the lesbian story. Brian of London by surprise. It was taken 992 01:03:26,369 --> 01:03:29,609 by surprise and how he got his name and go. 993 01:03:30,270 --> 01:03:34,320 So I was in America for a conference. And it was a 994 01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:38,610 political thing. And one of the people that conference was a 995 01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:40,560 radio host called Tammy 996 01:03:40,559 --> 01:03:43,649 Bruce doe. Yes. Tammy Bruce. She's great. 997 01:03:44,099 --> 01:03:44,999 She is great. 998 01:03:46,110 --> 01:03:51,750 Can't wait to hear what happened with just a very attractive 999 01:03:51,750 --> 01:03:53,430 woman, I should say very attractive woman. 1000 01:03:53,850 --> 01:03:55,740 And very lesbian. Anyway. 1001 01:03:56,099 --> 01:03:57,059 Lesbian. Yes. 1002 01:03:57,119 --> 01:04:02,759 I didn't know that. But she she was on a panel. And the panel 1003 01:04:02,759 --> 01:04:07,229 was discussing. I was discussing censorship in Europe. And it was 1004 01:04:07,229 --> 01:04:10,799 discussing that I can't even remember what but I I asked a 1005 01:04:10,799 --> 01:04:14,309 question from the audience. And she thought it was a good 1006 01:04:14,309 --> 01:04:16,259 question, because then afterwards, she came up and she 1007 01:04:16,259 --> 01:04:18,869 said, I'm doing my radio show from the hotel later, do you 1008 01:04:18,869 --> 01:04:21,899 want to come on it? And I had no idea who she was. I mean, you 1009 01:04:21,899 --> 01:04:26,969 know, and I also didn't at that time, it was like 2004 or 1010 01:04:26,999 --> 01:04:30,929 something. I didn't kind of get talk radio in the scale of it. 1011 01:04:31,589 --> 01:04:33,989 So I go up to one of the rooms in the hotel 1012 01:04:33,990 --> 01:04:36,720 and she she has a pretty big radio show. Actually, she's got 1013 01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:37,680 quite well this was the 1014 01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:40,380 point. I sat down in the chair and I thought you know, this is 1015 01:04:40,380 --> 01:04:44,340 going out and 1000 people whatever. And just as the light 1016 01:04:44,340 --> 01:04:49,080 is about to go on, she says to me, so what should I call you? 1017 01:04:49,350 --> 01:04:52,440 And I had my real name and I and there was no way I could use my 1018 01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:56,610 real name and talk about what's going to talk about it got back 1019 01:04:56,610 --> 01:05:01,170 to the UK problem with jobs and all that sort of stuff. So I 1020 01:05:01,170 --> 01:05:05,160 said Brian which is my middle name you know I'm out now my my 1021 01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:09,630 identity is revealed I said Brian and and she introduced me 1022 01:05:09,630 --> 01:05:17,310 as Brian of London that's my blogging name very cool term and 1023 01:05:17,310 --> 01:05:21,900 then we got we got exactly as you as you rail against you know 1024 01:05:21,900 --> 01:05:24,870 we got up against a hard break and she said but she said this 1025 01:05:24,870 --> 01:05:27,300 is really interesting stay for another stay for another segment 1026 01:05:27,300 --> 01:05:27,390 What 1027 01:05:27,389 --> 01:05:33,599 are you talking about hi she said this is really interesting 1028 01:05:33,629 --> 01:05:34,409 oh my god 1029 01:05:35,429 --> 01:05:38,549 David Irving being arrested in Austria 1030 01:05:39,750 --> 01:05:44,400 okay God speech issue oh she loves this yeah she loves that 1031 01:05:45,929 --> 01:05:49,079 so and then I made the mistake just before the light went on 1032 01:05:49,079 --> 01:05:52,199 again I said so how many people are listening she said Oh no, 1033 01:05:52,199 --> 01:05:55,649 it's the weekend show is not very many one maybe one and a 1034 01:05:55,649 --> 01:06:04,109 half million talks and I suddenly oh my god and but 1035 01:06:04,109 --> 01:06:06,779 anyway that was and and it was actually after that experience 1036 01:06:06,779 --> 01:06:09,719 that I started getting into blogging and eventually into 1037 01:06:09,719 --> 01:06:10,889 podcasting and 1038 01:06:11,010 --> 01:06:17,340 Oh, hold on a second so the lesbian part was really just it 1039 01:06:17,340 --> 01:06:19,440 was a little bit of a jib story but 1040 01:06:20,639 --> 01:06:24,179 I could have said a lesbian with a gun because at the time she 1041 01:06:24,179 --> 01:06:27,779 was branding herself as a Democrat lesbian with a gun but 1042 01:06:27,779 --> 01:06:29,669 I think she's given up on the democrat bit 1043 01:06:30,090 --> 01:06:32,970 oh that's interesting I don't remember her the democrat 1044 01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:33,960 lesbian with a gun 1045 01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:37,440 oh yeah go go back she's she's she was 1046 01:06:37,469 --> 01:06:41,789 out say she's doing more for women than most women. She She 1047 01:06:41,789 --> 01:06:45,869 mentors a lot of women in news and is making sure they don't 1048 01:06:45,869 --> 01:06:48,779 get screwed over she does she's good I like Hershey's goodbye 1049 01:06:48,779 --> 01:06:49,139 like 1050 01:06:49,769 --> 01:06:53,969 I've always followed her and like what she does but yeah, 1051 01:06:53,969 --> 01:06:56,819 that was my that was my introduction to sort of speaking 1052 01:06:56,849 --> 01:07:01,079 live and it was it was it was a drug I enjoyed it 1053 01:07:01,349 --> 01:07:06,929 Ah yes he's hooks that's what is your cue to boost you know you 1054 01:07:06,929 --> 01:07:09,449 want to show you Thanks some people Dave 1055 01:07:09,929 --> 01:07:14,099 oh yeah yeah, absolutely we got I've got make goods 1056 01:07:14,429 --> 01:07:15,029 makers 1057 01:07:15,809 --> 01:07:16,289 yes 1058 01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:17,970 some don't 1059 01:07:18,780 --> 01:07:22,140 yeah screwed up Karen downs donation from last week is only 1060 01:07:22,470 --> 01:07:26,700 was able to find like he had marked him like 124344 and I was 1061 01:07:26,700 --> 01:07:32,460 only able to read three and four because I forgot that I had I 1062 01:07:32,460 --> 01:07:34,950 had my sheets printed I forgot they were double sided so 1063 01:07:35,010 --> 01:07:40,230 Oh no. Yes. And by the way, I noticed maybe two days ago or 1064 01:07:40,230 --> 01:07:42,810 three days ago in the first thing now here's what I do in 1065 01:07:42,810 --> 01:07:46,470 the morning everybody the phone is on for the first time I try 1066 01:07:46,470 --> 01:07:50,430 it's not the first thing I do with when I look at the phone. I 1067 01:07:50,430 --> 01:07:55,770 always go to Zeus wallet to make sure that the wheel is still 1068 01:07:55,770 --> 01:07:59,100 spinning so if I don't see a Satoshi is coming in at least 1069 01:07:59,100 --> 01:08:02,100 within the last minute or two then it's time to troubleshoot 1070 01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:06,030 calorie balance that Adam The next thing I do is open up Zeus 1071 01:08:06,030 --> 01:08:09,570 because I liked the way it looks and I looked at our channels and 1072 01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:12,330 I saw someone blew a wad through a one of our 1073 01:08:12,329 --> 01:08:13,379 channels we're getting there 1074 01:08:14,490 --> 01:08:18,360 okay, I saw a total wad blown through 1075 01:08:18,690 --> 01:08:21,300 yes yes there was where what blueish and 1076 01:08:22,949 --> 01:08:23,819 glow Ridge 1077 01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:29,580 yeah we is in Brian's Abacus parlance somebody took the 1078 01:08:29,580 --> 01:08:32,880 abacus and just and just turned it up in portrait mode wanting 1079 01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:37,470 everything to once yeah character for someone made good 1080 01:08:37,470 --> 01:08:41,910 from last week Karen down 25,000 SATs 1081 01:08:41,940 --> 01:08:43,410 on nice man. Thank you. 1082 01:08:43,500 --> 01:08:47,310 Yeah, he says as I received four stunning booster Graham lounge 1083 01:08:47,340 --> 01:08:49,920 intros I'm compelled to return with four booster Graham 1084 01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:53,970 appreciations, thank you, Adam truly next level and see, but 1085 01:08:53,970 --> 01:08:58,260 then he had another one he had to have for another 25,000 SATs. 1086 01:08:58,620 --> 01:09:01,410 And he said, I'd really like to give a special shout out to 1087 01:09:01,410 --> 01:09:05,040 Satoshi stream for everything they have created. I don't hear 1088 01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:08,190 them get mentioned too often. But without them I wouldn't be 1089 01:09:08,190 --> 01:09:13,350 here right now. just totally I'd add just now completed the final 1090 01:09:13,350 --> 01:09:16,860 value loop of withdrawing from the node to reinvest back into 1091 01:09:16,860 --> 01:09:20,100 the booster gram economy. Without them I wouldn't have a 1092 01:09:20,100 --> 01:09:22,860 chance in hell of participating in this world due to my lack of 1093 01:09:22,860 --> 01:09:26,610 coding and technical knowledge. I honestly feel guilty. They 1094 01:09:26,610 --> 01:09:30,900 took such a small cut only 6000 SATs out of 166,000 now 1095 01:09:30,900 --> 01:09:33,840 withdrew. What is that? They take? 5%? 1096 01:09:34,230 --> 01:09:38,280 Yes, they they Yes, they do. And they take 5% and then give one 1097 01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:42,780 of those to us. colleague. Yeah, no, there's in Thank you. That's 1098 01:09:42,780 --> 01:09:47,340 a very good point. Satoshi stream Satoshi dot satoshis dot 1099 01:09:47,340 --> 01:09:53,940 stream was in the game so early with the TLV notes but also the 1100 01:09:53,940 --> 01:09:57,720 whole concept which is a little bit beyond me. I'm I am somewhat 1101 01:09:57,990 --> 01:10:01,590 Gen X Irish in that way is like teller. GRAEME I got it I can 1102 01:10:01,590 --> 01:10:05,700 use it I do use it it's not my thing. I don't interact with 1103 01:10:05,700 --> 01:10:08,760 bots I haven't set up my right i mean for me the clue is I 1104 01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:13,020 haven't set up my recipe Blitz with a telegram bot so I know 1105 01:10:13,020 --> 01:10:20,160 that as like I'm not into it but but but what they've done and 1106 01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:24,930 how it functions and how it works and is really it is the is 1107 01:10:24,930 --> 01:10:28,320 one of the most impressive onboarding systems I've seen. 1108 01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:35,310 And and I think it's a humungous service positive service to have 1109 01:10:35,490 --> 01:10:38,700 people can stay with them forever or they can use it as 1110 01:10:38,700 --> 01:10:42,060 just training wheels I think the beauty part of it is because 1111 01:10:42,060 --> 01:10:45,090 you're already in the telegram world there's help right there 1112 01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:48,540 you know if you if something's not not happening and that is 1113 01:10:48,570 --> 01:10:54,270 you're absolutely right kyron not often not mentioned often 1114 01:10:54,270 --> 01:10:54,750 enough 1115 01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:58,620 Yeah, he says really filled they should be better known as the 1116 01:10:58,620 --> 01:11:02,100 booster grams are what has been really drawn draw me in as a 1117 01:11:02,100 --> 01:11:06,570 podcaster right on Yeah, totally. Yeah. Yeah, thanks 1118 01:11:06,570 --> 01:11:13,200 Karen. See and also during the show last week, that I had 1119 01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:15,960 pulled up on my screen and then it got overlooked overlapped 1120 01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:19,470 with my clip window. I forgot to say it but during the show Alice 1121 01:11:19,470 --> 01:11:24,360 gates says 16,384 sets and he said how do you like this love 1122 01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:25,050 booster grant? 1123 01:11:26,819 --> 01:11:30,059 We love it we love it a week later it's even better taste 1124 01:11:30,059 --> 01:11:30,959 just as good 1125 01:11:31,590 --> 01:11:35,550 I saw it I'm gonna read it live and then a guy forgot 1126 01:11:36,660 --> 01:11:41,310 man I I stayed with the former New York banker I went down 1127 01:11:41,340 --> 01:11:45,720 Monday night and we had some dinner stayed at his house we 1128 01:11:45,780 --> 01:11:48,480 you know the first time since we're not separated he stayed at 1129 01:11:48,480 --> 01:11:51,660 our house and I stayed at his house it's kind of a it's a 1130 01:11:51,660 --> 01:11:52,230 thing 1131 01:11:52,530 --> 01:11:55,530 yeah I guess the the kids once we know once a while 1132 01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:59,730 yeah we took his son to school in the morning Yeah, we did and 1133 01:11:59,730 --> 01:12:03,210 then we went on the boat we go wake surfing, like like I mean 1134 01:12:03,210 --> 01:12:06,990 it's very privileged thing we're doing here on Tuesday morning on 1135 01:12:06,990 --> 01:12:14,370 the lake but man key his seat so he hates Bitcoin I mean he 1136 01:12:14,370 --> 01:12:18,180 hasn't even said that anymore lightning and how it works and 1137 01:12:18,180 --> 01:12:22,680 the idea of the booster grams and you know what we're going to 1138 01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:28,140 be doing with the with the live and he actually was like pay you 1139 01:12:28,140 --> 01:12:31,440 know how many partners in that company? I said you dude no no 1140 01:12:32,910 --> 01:12:36,840 love you yeah no this this is not how it works this is not yes 1141 01:12:36,870 --> 01:12:41,850 this like no no. Just the best way you can help is to boost 1142 01:12:42,570 --> 01:12:45,870 yeah to get your big money out there. Just for the boost. 1143 01:12:47,430 --> 01:12:52,170 Spencer hit us with a boost 4200 sets and he said awesome 1144 01:12:52,170 --> 01:12:56,010 appearance on hugs story Am I thinking of sending a boost here 1145 01:12:56,010 --> 01:12:58,470 until we get the hugs fully noted and receiving boosts? 1146 01:12:58,500 --> 01:13:01,650 We're working on him sir Spencer and named DeLorean bowl after 1147 01:13:01,650 --> 01:13:02,610 bowl. Yeah, 1148 01:13:02,610 --> 01:13:05,160 I mean, someone should at least be able to get them hooked up 1149 01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:09,150 with Satoshi streams you know just to know you don't have to 1150 01:13:09,150 --> 01:13:11,670 be fully noted you can always change you can always change 1151 01:13:11,670 --> 01:13:14,760 your your your node ID 1152 01:13:15,450 --> 01:13:17,700 yeah that is always the hive option 1153 01:13:17,730 --> 01:13:19,110 there is there there's a hive 1154 01:13:19,110 --> 01:13:22,800 option you get a hive account you sign up with me and hive 1155 01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:26,280 does the same thing I mean the money goes straight in as hive 1156 01:13:26,310 --> 01:13:30,480 and you know there are ways to convert it so it's another 1157 01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:31,950 option it'll it'll be more of a 1158 01:13:31,950 --> 01:13:35,010 conversion also happens with Brian you see is very 1159 01:13:35,010 --> 01:13:36,870 interesting he'll converted for you. 1160 01:13:37,410 --> 01:13:39,480 You can convert it or you can power it up 1161 01:13:39,510 --> 01:13:41,310 you can power it for I mean 1162 01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:46,170 have you looked at the how much the How have you bought is now 1163 01:13:46,170 --> 01:13:51,630 worth they've no have more than tripled since you bought it? No, 1164 01:13:51,630 --> 01:13:51,780 I'm 1165 01:13:51,780 --> 01:13:55,050 a millionaire now. quit the show right now. 1166 01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:56,820 The Lambo is on its way. 1167 01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:04,950 The Lambo Yes. Mary Oscar, excuse me Oscar Mary. He sent 1168 01:14:05,190 --> 01:14:12,000 7777 SATs. sevens, sevens, he says, How much do I have to 1169 01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:15,810 boost to get Adam to do a promo for fountain in the Overlord 1170 01:14:15,810 --> 01:14:20,010 voice? The overlord? Oh, well, you ditched it, you 1171 01:14:20,010 --> 01:14:23,190 know? Well, now there's good news because I am testing out 1172 01:14:23,190 --> 01:14:28,830 the personas revelator I owe 24 today, and it has a god voice in 1173 01:14:28,830 --> 01:14:33,150 it. So what and I'll have it for a few days, because I'm sure 1174 01:14:33,150 --> 01:14:37,110 it's going to go back but it does have the god voice in it. 1175 01:14:37,110 --> 01:14:41,250 So send me some copy, man. Tell me what you want me to say. 1176 01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:44,070 Oh, he's got it right here. Oh, he's got his copy here. He says 1177 01:14:44,430 --> 01:14:47,640 Apple podcast, ditch Spotify. Listen on fountain, something 1178 01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:48,030 like that. 1179 01:14:48,090 --> 01:14:51,120 I forward that to me. That's cool. Don't do it. Of course. Of 1180 01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:52,950 course. I'll do it commercial for anybody. 1181 01:14:54,450 --> 01:14:58,800 See, who knows we owe anonymous through breeze 17 176 SAS 1182 01:14:58,800 --> 01:14:59,970 17 7017 1183 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,310 76 Hello Neighbor ology Liberty boost Liberty go 1184 01:15:05,700 --> 01:15:08,220 yeah go places go podcasting anonymous yeah 1185 01:15:08,220 --> 01:15:09,420 Viola podcasting. 1186 01:15:13,259 --> 01:15:18,659 Okay so this is a response to this this ongoing back and forth 1187 01:15:18,659 --> 01:15:24,929 between bill bill Prague and I forget who he's conversing with 1188 01:15:24,929 --> 01:15:28,139 but he says Oh, here it is Daniel. Between Daniel and Bill 1189 01:15:28,139 --> 01:15:34,049 Prague. Again I endorsed this use of booster grams to fight 1190 01:15:34,049 --> 01:15:37,139 each other yeah with money yes a duel on our show 1191 01:15:37,170 --> 01:15:39,870 yes yes this is we love fight. 1192 01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:42,930 Yes, we just need to get them the boost amount higher though 1193 01:15:42,989 --> 01:15:47,549 you're monetizing. hate your terror? Yes, yes. 1194 01:15:48,450 --> 01:15:55,950 Oh my gosh called the ADL Brian. You got him on speed dial to get 1195 01:15:56,010 --> 01:15:59,640 a good line more. That's a good line we are. Let's just do it. 1196 01:15:59,670 --> 01:16:02,220 Just do it properly. I think Brian is absolutely correct. And 1197 01:16:02,220 --> 01:16:05,160 now ladies and gentlemen, it's time to monetize hate. 1198 01:16:06,750 --> 01:16:10,380 Daniel, thanks for the lightning education sticking tongue out 1199 01:16:10,650 --> 01:16:15,120 emoji. That was the thanks for the lightening education was 1200 01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:15,690 enclosed. 1201 01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:22,980 In archy bill is one of my hive people because he's been buying 1202 01:16:22,980 --> 01:16:28,410 SATs on from my hive gateway. And he's been streaming SATs 1203 01:16:28,470 --> 01:16:30,600 across the hive network as well. 1204 01:16:30,690 --> 01:16:34,710 I can I can see there's going to be a need pretty soon for us to 1205 01:16:34,710 --> 01:16:39,870 have address books. Because if I'm going to send a nasty boost 1206 01:16:39,870 --> 01:16:43,830 through a show, it'd be fun to send send the same booster gram 1207 01:16:43,830 --> 01:16:44,670 to that person. 1208 01:16:45,510 --> 01:16:45,900 Yeah, 1209 01:16:46,469 --> 01:16:47,069 know what I mean. 1210 01:16:47,489 --> 01:16:51,749 I like to add to the drop general purpose you know, 1211 01:16:51,839 --> 01:16:56,879 lightning node, alias address book lookup thing. Oh, 1212 01:16:57,059 --> 01:17:00,029 that's what I put in place with this new course 1213 01:17:00,030 --> 01:17:01,800 Of course it's already working on hive. 1214 01:17:02,489 --> 01:17:05,699 Yep, exactly. All you need is all you need is a Chrome 1215 01:17:05,699 --> 01:17:10,499 extension elda LDAP and a lightning in a light coin 1216 01:17:10,619 --> 01:17:16,829 exchange oh god drip drip Scott Okay, so here's the here's your 1217 01:17:18,089 --> 01:17:24,149 here's your wad here but drips got 350,000 says 1218 01:17:25,350 --> 01:17:33,930 follow sakala 20 is blaze only Impala wow a true sat streamer. 1219 01:17:36,060 --> 01:17:37,380 Wow. 1220 01:17:38,370 --> 01:17:39,150 American hero 1221 01:17:39,300 --> 01:17:42,570 yes he is a patriot What did he say what did he what was this 1222 01:17:42,570 --> 01:17:43,440 message is booster. 1223 01:17:43,950 --> 01:17:48,840 It came through Curio caster in the booster gram just says he 1224 01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:52,230 just says booster Grand Challenge accepted boost. 1225 01:17:52,410 --> 01:17:58,680 Ah man that was a mad that's that's like gangsta and by the 1226 01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:02,040 way we have that baller thing is not in your in your package that 1227 01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:10,170 is a mo fax jingle I'm already illegally using it here the 1228 01:18:10,170 --> 01:18:13,320 booster Graham bits packages in the show notes for today 1229 01:18:15,420 --> 01:18:20,190 so drip drip Scott is now on the leaderboard and in the top of 1230 01:18:20,190 --> 01:18:21,570 the hour control 1231 01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:26,670 drab now of course it's fun because you know Drabek does he 1232 01:18:26,670 --> 01:18:29,160 does the chapters for pretty much everything I've ever done 1233 01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:33,300 in my life he is now he's he has gone by now check this out with 1234 01:18:33,300 --> 01:18:37,890 the man has done he has gone back and added chapters in the 1235 01:18:37,890 --> 01:18:41,430 RSS feed retro actively for every single mo facts and he's 1236 01:18:41,430 --> 01:18:44,700 going to do it for every podcasting 2.0 so that we have 1237 01:18:44,700 --> 01:18:48,540 all of those elements working that we didn't have the 1238 01:18:48,540 --> 01:18:51,240 authoring tools for at the time this is the kind of guy he is 1239 01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:53,850 that's a lot of work. 1240 01:18:54,060 --> 01:18:58,620 Stop don't don't do daily source code dread no 1241 01:19:00,810 --> 01:19:01,710 that's not gonna happen. 1242 01:19:03,060 --> 01:19:05,760 Thank god that's ridiculous. 1243 01:19:05,790 --> 01:19:07,710 Not only that, but proof. 1244 01:19:08,220 --> 01:19:10,920 Proof Yeah. Then we're stress testing. 1245 01:19:11,010 --> 01:19:14,040 We are totally stressed. That is unbelievable. 1246 01:19:14,220 --> 01:19:18,240 Oh arrow statica sent you know he had sent 250,000 1247 01:19:18,269 --> 01:19:21,659 Yes, this is the war This is the race this is the mano a mano is 1248 01:19:21,659 --> 01:19:22,379 happening here. 1249 01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:27,720 And, you know, if we keep going up by 100,000 each time 100,000 1250 01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:30,180 sass each time, so I'm just gonna break so 1251 01:19:30,780 --> 01:19:33,630 eventually we're going to reach some kind of limit. Yeah, 1252 01:19:33,870 --> 01:19:40,380 Brian's the laptops gonna catch on fire and his parents. Okay, 1253 01:19:40,740 --> 01:19:45,930 thank you drip spam. Let's see. This is anonymous because this 1254 01:19:45,930 --> 01:19:50,250 is just like a weird spam protection email address here 1255 01:19:50,610 --> 01:19:55,020 that came through pod friend and it says, You guys got me hooked 1256 01:19:55,020 --> 01:19:57,960 on everything podcasting, 2.0 Bitcoin, lightning and humbrol. 1257 01:19:57,960 --> 01:19:59,970 Great work. All right was 100 set 1258 01:20:00,930 --> 01:20:08,340 Nice to see that I get emails from from PR firms and 1259 01:20:08,340 --> 01:20:13,860 publicists who of course by lists of podcasts that that you 1260 01:20:13,860 --> 01:20:17,730 know can interview their guests and and i think i posted this on 1261 01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:22,350 nogen The social.com is that now we're seeing in these messages 1262 01:20:22,350 --> 01:20:27,480 you know you're this guest can be heard everywhere you know on 1263 01:20:27,480 --> 01:20:32,340 podcast podcasting decks pod friend was in there you know yes 1264 01:20:32,340 --> 01:20:35,700 all that yeah so we're starting to you know, it's starting to 1265 01:20:35,730 --> 01:20:39,120 trickle out you know, when when people are mentioning new apps 1266 01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:42,180 that haven't been mentioned before it's working new podcast 1267 01:20:42,180 --> 01:20:46,170 apps calm and be like James Cridland tell people to get a 1268 01:20:46,170 --> 01:20:49,470 better podcast app at new podcast apps calm 1269 01:20:50,100 --> 01:20:52,860 Yeah, that's a good little thing. He does great run. Yeah. 1270 01:20:54,630 --> 01:20:59,850 There we got here we got another anonymous through breeze app. 1271 01:20:59,850 --> 01:21:02,160 4000 SATs and she says go podcasting. 1272 01:21:02,190 --> 01:21:05,580 Yeah, I hear you. We should go podcasting. Go podcasting. 1273 01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:12,570 Another Liberty boost of 1776 says started out with a boost 1274 01:21:12,570 --> 01:21:16,830 baby. That came through. Who did that? Come through? 1275 01:21:18,030 --> 01:21:23,610 Check something here. Hold on. I'm just I'm just finding that 1276 01:21:23,610 --> 01:21:26,310 is yes, I know exactly what that is. I think it's your clip. 1277 01:21:26,730 --> 01:21:27,480 Yeah. Did 1278 01:21:27,480 --> 01:21:30,990 you remember who Who said it? Of course. Michelle Obama. 1279 01:21:31,050 --> 01:21:32,670 Yes. Mike baller. 1280 01:21:34,260 --> 01:21:42,330 See? He was okay Jeff says this is 4004 sets through the 1281 01:21:42,330 --> 01:21:45,390 fountain nap. He says this is the initial donation to the Dave 1282 01:21:45,390 --> 01:21:49,230 Jones melatonin fund. That's because I couldn't sleep last 1283 01:21:49,230 --> 01:21:54,300 night. Okay, there's actually two boosts from Jeff for 4004 1284 01:21:54,300 --> 01:21:57,840 sets with the same message so I'm guessing he may have held 1285 01:21:57,840 --> 01:21:59,550 down the machine gun boost 1286 01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:04,950 and as a as a quick aside this is so appreciated this all goes 1287 01:22:04,950 --> 01:22:08,520 into funding our liquidity as well of the note I mean, this is 1288 01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:14,430 so cool that we can now you know open up bigger channels. The 1289 01:22:14,430 --> 01:22:17,610 system is beautiful. Thank you for doing this. These boosts are 1290 01:22:17,610 --> 01:22:19,590 great. And 1291 01:22:20,340 --> 01:22:27,330 let's see we get okay Chad, Chad Feroz and it's 3333 sets he says 1292 01:22:28,230 --> 01:22:31,680 they found he says set my sets to five minutes excuse me five 1293 01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:34,380 sets per minute instead of 50 cents per minute so this is to 1294 01:22:34,380 --> 01:22:38,700 make up the difference last night was a fat fingered it yeah 1295 01:22:38,700 --> 01:22:42,390 nobody's auditing huge so you don't have to make up Yeah, we 1296 01:22:42,390 --> 01:22:43,050 won't know. 1297 01:22:43,890 --> 01:22:44,160 No. 1298 01:22:46,770 --> 01:22:51,330 Okay and pod friend an anonymous through pod friend. And that's 1299 01:22:51,330 --> 01:22:59,640 for 5217 sets and he says fatty poop boost boost 1300 01:23:00,030 --> 01:23:01,590 we got the big poop boost 1301 01:23:03,540 --> 01:23:07,770 is this Oh sir bill through fountain send us 1000 says he 1302 01:23:07,770 --> 01:23:11,010 says boost using fountain that's exactly what you did. 1303 01:23:11,460 --> 01:23:12,210 Boost 1304 01:23:13,740 --> 01:23:20,460 boost to grade 10,000 SATs from breeze anonymous and it just 1305 01:23:20,460 --> 01:23:23,640 says love from breeze I'm thinking that's ROI you think 1306 01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:24,120 that's ROI 1307 01:23:24,990 --> 01:23:29,940 I don't know man by says love love from breeze and every time 1308 01:23:29,940 --> 01:23:32,400 I've been with ROI I've been paying for everything so I'm not 1309 01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:33,030 so sure 1310 01:23:35,850 --> 01:23:37,170 you know this Israel guys 1311 01:23:37,590 --> 01:23:41,250 I know but I got I got Brian in London I can send them down the 1312 01:23:41,250 --> 01:23:42,300 street and go beat him up. 1313 01:23:42,989 --> 01:23:46,769 We you pay you pay for Roy's dinner and then roll and then 1314 01:23:47,549 --> 01:23:49,859 Brian will reimburse him in hive 1315 01:23:52,980 --> 01:23:55,980 and then repaste a bit bit refill bit refill 1316 01:23:55,980 --> 01:23:57,390 it with Amazon gift card. 1317 01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:02,880 Two days ago it was the exact street I think where his offices 1318 01:24:04,170 --> 01:24:08,010 were mattify owl but I was having a camera stuck on my 1319 01:24:08,010 --> 01:24:09,720 house so that's 1320 01:24:11,610 --> 01:24:13,650 how many how many SAS is that cost? 1321 01:24:22,110 --> 01:24:22,650 Wow. 1322 01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:25,140 Really weird part of 1323 01:24:26,130 --> 01:24:28,380 the hospital. Famous hospital right? 1324 01:24:29,100 --> 01:24:35,130 Yeah, for this for D to extract for extraction. This is the red 1325 01:24:35,130 --> 01:24:35,790 light district. 1326 01:24:36,270 --> 01:24:39,630 Those trees guys, man they interface with everything. Yeah, 1327 01:24:39,630 --> 01:24:42,300 I've heard of the cameras cameras. 1328 01:24:43,830 --> 01:24:46,710 Oh man. Okay, so he's the Richard Gere of 1329 01:24:47,430 --> 01:24:52,980 Okay, Dave. Yeah. 1330 01:24:53,430 --> 01:25:01,980 900 907 sets from three Apart friend from Mike Newman, and 1331 01:25:01,980 --> 01:25:06,000 Mike says only thing worse than USB is Bluetooth Low podcast. 1332 01:25:08,130 --> 01:25:14,490 That's true. I actually I did try out the I never got to that 1333 01:25:14,490 --> 01:25:17,460 in my review, I tried out the Bluetooth interface on the test 1334 01:25:17,460 --> 01:25:22,410 cam mix cast for added suck. Yeah, well, for a reason that 1335 01:25:22,410 --> 01:25:24,780 was disappointing because I thought I could use that 1336 01:25:24,780 --> 01:25:28,170 interface. It's like I just route all computer noises, you 1337 01:25:28,170 --> 01:25:30,540 know. So if I need to play a YouTube clip or something just 1338 01:25:30,540 --> 01:25:34,740 routed out through Bluetooth, so two problems one, when there's 1339 01:25:34,740 --> 01:25:38,820 no sound active, of course, it disconnects. And I don't know if 1340 01:25:38,820 --> 01:25:42,870 that was my laptop or the other side, probably the laptop. And I 1341 01:25:42,870 --> 01:25:46,440 didn't dive into troubleshoot that please don't email me. But 1342 01:25:46,440 --> 01:25:51,000 the worst part was it defaults and only has a 16 kilohertz 1343 01:25:51,300 --> 01:25:57,030 bandwidth. Well, that's sucks. Oh, yeah, I mean, that is so old 1344 01:25:57,030 --> 01:26:02,220 fashioned to think of a phone, like a phone. That's just like 1345 01:26:02,220 --> 01:26:07,830 when you think Bluetooth doesn't have to be 1416 kilohertz. 1346 01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:10,980 There's no reason for it. But they were thinking 1347 01:26:12,210 --> 01:26:13,200 a string in between 1348 01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:16,020 and they're thinking, Oh, well, it's just a phone. Now man 1349 01:26:16,020 --> 01:26:21,780 phones these days are high end devices. Voice over IP. You 1350 01:26:21,780 --> 01:26:26,130 know, you can use clean feed on your phone. Just the rails with 1351 01:26:26,130 --> 01:26:30,570 Oh, it's amazing. I was doing an app or you know, just through 1352 01:26:30,570 --> 01:26:35,190 the browser. Dial this message. It's really cool. Yeah, it's 1353 01:26:35,190 --> 01:26:36,900 cool. Yep. 1354 01:26:37,470 --> 01:26:41,160 We'll see anonymous through the breeze app gave us 1000 SATs. 1355 01:26:41,190 --> 01:26:44,310 Oh, it's not a novel. It's not anonymous, he says David Leary. 1356 01:26:44,940 --> 01:26:46,830 Nice work boys. All right, thank 1357 01:26:46,830 --> 01:26:47,370 you. Thank you. 1358 01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:50,400 Thank you David. Nice work from you David. Yes, good work, 1359 01:26:50,670 --> 01:26:57,000 hitting that boost but good work harv hat gave us 2222 sets of 1360 01:26:57,000 --> 01:27:01,080 magnitudes and he says karaoke came through Curio caster and he 1361 01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:04,560 says booster grant for live I can't wait I can't wait either 1362 01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:05,400 hard all we're all 1363 01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:07,530 excited about that. It's 1364 01:27:07,590 --> 01:27:14,550 I had to had to pause work on the on the live stuff and go in 1365 01:27:14,670 --> 01:27:20,760 and actually put a real true split editor designer into Yeah, 1366 01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:21,300 and yeah, 1367 01:27:21,330 --> 01:27:24,060 well that's gonna be badass though. I can see it I can see 1368 01:27:24,060 --> 01:27:27,030 some people need it. Definitely do people need the people needed 1369 01:27:27,030 --> 01:27:27,390 Dave? 1370 01:27:27,749 --> 01:27:32,429 Yes. Anonymous Drew Brees and he says 1000s SAS he says thanks 1371 01:27:32,429 --> 01:27:36,899 for the nerdy stuff. We get nerdy today. Yeah, a little bit. 1372 01:27:38,519 --> 01:27:45,179 Thank you man. It's a fight or Lady 5000 SATs anonymous No, 1373 01:27:45,179 --> 01:27:48,209 this is not anonymous on who this is. 5000 SATs through 1374 01:27:48,209 --> 01:27:52,499 breeze and says Bitcoin beatboxing boost and SATs and 1375 01:27:52,499 --> 01:27:54,659 boost and says how a bare intellect 1376 01:27:55,440 --> 01:27:59,520 Wait a minute. Do we have that song? We've got his Yeah, we've 1377 01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:01,740 got we've got the box and SATs 1378 01:28:02,550 --> 01:28:03,750 goes in the end of show mix. 1379 01:28:05,430 --> 01:28:09,840 Chapters transcripts, images links stream micropayments to 1380 01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:14,070 the podcast and sensitive she's in real time over the lightning 1381 01:28:14,070 --> 01:28:17,580 network using a compatible podcasting 2.0 app. Just go to 1382 01:28:17,580 --> 01:28:22,950 new podcast apps.com new podcast apps.com and for more info go to 1383 01:28:22,950 --> 01:28:24,690 podcast index.org 1384 01:28:26,490 --> 01:28:27,960 was that the one yeah 1385 01:28:27,990 --> 01:28:32,610 that's that guy's great. He's is good listeners podcast is 1386 01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:37,380 intergalactic boombox and short episodes are fun. Yeah, you can 1387 01:28:37,380 --> 01:28:39,510 knock one out and just like you know 20 minutes 1388 01:28:39,540 --> 01:28:41,580 it's like a desert. Yeah, it 1389 01:28:41,580 --> 01:28:45,060 is it is. Okay, so our monthly donors is 1390 01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:48,360 let me remind everybody this has value for about what you heard 1391 01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:51,120 here where the booster grams if you if you don't know what it 1392 01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:55,050 is, go to new podcast apps calm. And not only will you have a lot 1393 01:28:55,050 --> 01:28:59,400 of fun, you could spark good debate good jokes and and you 1394 01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:04,410 support the project. This whole project is value for value. It's 1395 01:29:04,410 --> 01:29:07,740 an open project where you're helping here is to keep the 1396 01:29:07,740 --> 01:29:11,730 server's running for podcast index.org keep the lightning 1397 01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:16,920 channels liquid and and keep literally money flowing through 1398 01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:22,590 the system Dave and I use our own money for for booster grams, 1399 01:29:22,590 --> 01:29:25,710 you know, just if everyone's putting into it, but the value 1400 01:29:25,710 --> 01:29:28,710 that we're getting back is off the charts and you can do it 1401 01:29:29,190 --> 01:29:32,760 through good old fashioned PayPal and your Fiat fun coupons 1402 01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:36,180 by going to podcast index.org scroll to the bottom, click on 1403 01:29:36,180 --> 01:29:40,080 the red Donate button or in any podcast and 2.0 app. We also 1404 01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:44,190 have a little two little bank sign a little piggy bank or a 1405 01:29:44,190 --> 01:29:49,020 penny or $1. That's a direct link to our PayPal as well. Yep. 1406 01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:52,710 I'm almost messed up here because Michael Newman might 1407 01:29:52,830 --> 01:29:57,120 might name and send us a PayPal that I had pulled up and I 1408 01:29:57,120 --> 01:30:00,720 almost did the same thing again that did Alex last week. So He 1409 01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:08,160 sent us $17.89 oh 1789 Yeah, and he says message. Howdy fellas. 1410 01:30:08,280 --> 01:30:10,470 This was supposed to be coming at you in SAS by now the 1411 01:30:10,470 --> 01:30:13,770 Constitution is the Constitution. Yeah. Bill of 1412 01:30:13,770 --> 01:30:16,920 Rights. Yeah. Bill of Rights here is supposed to be coming to 1413 01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:19,950 you in SAS by now, but I'm not quite there yet with my monthly 1414 01:30:19,950 --> 01:30:24,420 set sling. Trebuie. Shay, please, please accept this 1789 1415 01:30:24,420 --> 01:30:27,480 and cut pennies in honor of the ratification of the Bill of 1416 01:30:27,480 --> 01:30:29,490 Rights. Thank you for your courage. Oh, 1417 01:30:29,490 --> 01:30:30,090 thank you. 1418 01:30:30,450 --> 01:30:33,420 Very Thank you, Mike. I like cook pennies that are good and 1419 01:30:33,420 --> 01:30:39,090 he's good. Same as our monthly donors are. Mark Graham. $1. 1420 01:30:39,480 --> 01:30:46,350 Joseph maraca $5. David made us aid. Fun Fact Friday $10 Cameron 1421 01:30:46,350 --> 01:30:50,130 Rose $25 camera has been donating for a long time. And 1422 01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:57,420 Jeremy knew $5 Greg Thomas $5. Lauren ball $24.20 in pod verse, 1423 01:30:57,450 --> 01:31:03,600 LLC. $50 Thanks, Martin. Yeah, no pot versus prod verse. Mitch. 1424 01:31:03,900 --> 01:31:07,680 Mitch. Yeah, yeah, my friend. Yeah, we have one person cancel 1425 01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:10,920 a $5 month subscription. And that's really we really have had 1426 01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:13,110 very few cancellations and subscriptions a lot 1427 01:31:13,109 --> 01:31:16,289 of people are canceling to transition over to boosting 1428 01:31:16,319 --> 01:31:19,859 which I completely encourage that is definitely the way to 1429 01:31:19,859 --> 01:31:24,329 go. Because that's that's gross we had I mean you can you can 1430 01:31:24,329 --> 01:31:30,029 look at our note at anytime you want we had I think two weeks 1431 01:31:30,029 --> 01:31:34,649 ago we probably had what we have like 10 grand on the node in in 1432 01:31:34,649 --> 01:31:40,139 dollars or fee out fun coupons. And just with the appreciation 1433 01:31:40,199 --> 01:31:44,969 of the world the bitcoin price action and of course booster 1434 01:31:44,969 --> 01:31:48,449 grams, I think we were like we're hitting 15 now it's almost 1435 01:31:48,449 --> 01:31:53,159 50% more beautiful, just that's what I love about this project. 1436 01:31:53,219 --> 01:31:56,519 Just keep all those sites there, stack them over there, stack 1437 01:31:56,519 --> 01:31:57,149 them over there 1438 01:31:57,149 --> 01:32:00,089 and now that we're in that and what's important about that, is 1439 01:32:00,089 --> 01:32:03,959 that Tim we've been banking on all these SATs so that we can 1440 01:32:03,959 --> 01:32:09,149 fund or know or Hey instance Yeah, so Tim finished that and 1441 01:32:09,149 --> 01:32:13,079 so now I'll transition into getting that you know die thing 1442 01:32:13,079 --> 01:32:16,169 run and well it'll take some time because we have to Eric has 1443 01:32:16,169 --> 01:32:19,409 to figure out you know legal stuff and all that kind of jazz 1444 01:32:19,409 --> 01:32:22,829 but you know we've got the node now and then we've got the SATs 1445 01:32:22,829 --> 01:32:25,229 now to fund it so we can start doing that cool stuff 1446 01:32:25,470 --> 01:32:28,500 so so we'll be hosting wallets 1447 01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:34,410 yeah we'll be hosting like like to be able to do like one thing 1448 01:32:34,410 --> 01:32:39,150 that I think we'll be able to do pretty pretty cool. is like one 1449 01:32:39,150 --> 01:32:42,780 off episode level wallets. So if somebody wants to he's gonna 1450 01:32:44,700 --> 01:32:47,940 super cool very cool. Hey Brian, you still awake? 1451 01:32:48,689 --> 01:32:49,709 Tom here okay, 1452 01:32:49,769 --> 01:32:53,339 I'm sorry man. I just want make sure you're not Keeling over 1453 01:32:53,339 --> 01:32:53,669 there. 1454 01:32:55,620 --> 01:32:59,850 This is this is a joy for me. Okay, good. The only thing that 1455 01:32:59,850 --> 01:33:03,330 this messes up now is my my Saturday morning ritual of 1456 01:33:03,330 --> 01:33:04,260 listening to the show. 1457 01:33:05,069 --> 01:33:11,729 Hello, yeah, you can listen to yourself. Oh. Laughter I always 1458 01:33:11,729 --> 01:33:12,059 listen to 1459 01:33:12,060 --> 01:33:17,310 the show. I have to admit I do too. I listened to most of my 1460 01:33:17,310 --> 01:33:22,530 shows but not not really like I listened to see how things land 1461 01:33:22,590 --> 01:33:29,160 out worked. How it sounded Yeah, but not to comprehend the 1462 01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:30,630 technical review I 1463 01:33:30,630 --> 01:33:34,590 think I get it I'm hitting I'm gonna head back to work 1464 01:33:34,620 --> 01:33:38,160 oh god that was it. We have no more no more of our monthly 1465 01:33:38,190 --> 01:33:41,430 Yeah. Okay, that's it. Yeah. And I'm sorry we kept you a little 1466 01:33:41,430 --> 01:33:43,860 longer but you you also are holding down the fort there you 1467 01:33:43,860 --> 01:33:45,660 got people out right? Yeah, 1468 01:33:45,690 --> 01:33:50,250 yeah. My coworker COVID yesterday so he's he's at a 1469 01:33:50,250 --> 01:33:54,240 commission. Yeah, just me flying solo. Okay, but he's gonna be 1470 01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:57,600 okay. Yeah, yeah. seems to be doing pretty good. Hi. 1471 01:33:58,979 --> 01:34:05,399 Brian, sir Brian of London. You sir, you sir, are a gem and an 1472 01:34:05,399 --> 01:34:10,079 incredibly colorful person and I am happy to have you in my life. 1473 01:34:10,199 --> 01:34:15,029 And I'm happy to have you in the podcasting 2.0 ecosystem and 1474 01:34:15,029 --> 01:34:18,269 arena because you you really bring a lot of joy to 1475 01:34:18,719 --> 01:34:19,379 everything. 1476 01:34:20,220 --> 01:34:23,100 That's what I try to do. Yeah, and I tell you, I've I have 1477 01:34:23,580 --> 01:34:26,910 getting back into coding after I didn't do it for so long. I did 1478 01:34:26,910 --> 01:34:30,780 a PhD I went all the way to a PhD in physics. And then I 1479 01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:34,950 basically stopped writing code and that was more than 25 years 1480 01:34:34,950 --> 01:34:39,270 ago. And it is an absolute joy now to learn to code again. The 1481 01:34:39,270 --> 01:34:42,780 world is so different this GitHub stuff and yeah 1482 01:34:42,780 --> 01:34:44,700 elaborations and it's fun. It's 1483 01:34:44,729 --> 01:34:47,429 unbelievable. Can you got Alex whipping you 1484 01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:54,690 know, Alex is a gem I you know, I am so grateful. You know, to 1485 01:34:54,690 --> 01:35:00,000 be mentored properly and to to accept mentoring is it is 1486 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:05,640 Something I guess maybe age, you kind of you learn to be humble 1487 01:35:05,670 --> 01:35:08,940 and learn to know when other people know much more than you 1488 01:35:08,940 --> 01:35:12,330 and and it's a joy. And it's amazing to have a resource like 1489 01:35:12,330 --> 01:35:16,080 that. I can just call on and say, Hey Alex, how do you do 1490 01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:18,090 this and to watch your stuff anyway, 1491 01:35:18,270 --> 01:35:21,750 I don't, even though for what you even knew Bert had a drum 1492 01:35:21,750 --> 01:35:22,860 instructor in his 60s. 1493 01:35:25,350 --> 01:35:29,820 Anyone anybody is welcome to join in the fun and mentor or be 1494 01:35:29,820 --> 01:35:34,350 mentored and you can go to podcast index dot social and 1495 01:35:34,350 --> 01:35:37,320 sign up. We'd love to have more people who jump in the better. 1496 01:35:37,890 --> 01:35:41,040 Brian Thank you very much. I've got your I got your GitHub in 1497 01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:45,330 the show notes. Also I have the the proper node so anyone who 1498 01:35:45,330 --> 01:35:48,030 boosts this up, but also if you're just listening to new 1499 01:35:48,030 --> 01:35:52,620 podcast app, new podcast apps koat.com you'll be sending Brian 1500 01:35:52,620 --> 01:35:58,230 some sets which well we know where it ultimately winds up in 1501 01:35:58,230 --> 01:36:01,080 the hype machine, Dave, have a great weekend. amigo. 1502 01:36:01,500 --> 01:36:03,450 You too brother. See you guys later, man. 1503 01:36:03,540 --> 01:36:05,610 All right, everybody. Thank you so much for attending the board 1504 01:36:05,610 --> 01:36:09,630 meeting podcasts in 2.0. We'll be back next week. To bring it 1505 01:36:09,630 --> 01:36:12,600 all to you the latest happening in the namespace podcasting 2.0 1506 01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:14,070 and on the mastodon talk to you 1507 01:36:14,070 --> 01:36:34,410 that you have been listening to podcasting 2.0 podcast in the 1508 01:36:34,590 --> 01:36:42,000 car for more information boost