1 00:00:00,810 --> 00:00:05,910 podcasting 2.0 for October 1 2021, Episode 56 is that a 2 00:00:05,910 --> 00:00:11,910 rocket in your pocket? Now, we're just happy to see all of 3 00:00:11,910 --> 00:00:17,100 you know, time once again for a board meeting podcasting. 2.0 4 00:00:17,130 --> 00:00:21,300 everything going on in podcast index.org all the gossip that 5 00:00:21,300 --> 00:00:25,830 podcasts index not social and it's also creative. And of 6 00:00:25,830 --> 00:00:28,800 course we got the namespace it's all here you're all welcome to 7 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,410 coffee is warm. I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of Hill 8 00:00:31,410 --> 00:00:35,100 Country, Texas and in Alabama, the man who should be fluent in 9 00:00:35,100 --> 00:00:38,430 Korean by now, my friend on the other end legend, gentlemen, Mr. 10 00:00:38,430 --> 00:00:39,570 Dave Jones. 11 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:42,150 Why Korean? 12 00:00:42,480 --> 00:00:47,010 What Aren't you still exporting a database for Samsung? Oh, 13 00:00:47,009 --> 00:00:50,099 no, no, no, no, that's not for Samsung. Oh, no, no, no, that 14 00:00:50,099 --> 00:00:54,569 was that was nest for top secret. Cut. Well, if we were 15 00:00:54,569 --> 00:00:59,639 going to do this and indictment heartlands, it would be a top 16 00:00:59,639 --> 00:01:01,439 secret technology company for 17 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,710 Oh, is that NDA speak? 18 00:01:06,540 --> 00:01:09,720 That's how you talk when you when you indict people and then 19 00:01:09,960 --> 00:01:10,860 redact everything. 20 00:01:11,130 --> 00:01:11,820 Oh, 21 00:01:11,820 --> 00:01:14,400 yes. Technology executive to 22 00:01:14,460 --> 00:01:18,240 unindicted unindicted co conspirator. I kind of stuff. 23 00:01:18,270 --> 00:01:18,600 Yeah. 24 00:01:18,810 --> 00:01:22,710 Oh, yeah, totally. So what's, what's your sound issue going? 25 00:01:22,710 --> 00:01:23,040 Oh, 26 00:01:23,070 --> 00:01:27,810 my goodness. Well, I decided, 27 00:01:28,170 --> 00:01:31,590 well, I walked in and it said, I can do this. I can noticeably 28 00:01:31,590 --> 00:01:32,940 tell that it sounds different. Yeah. 29 00:01:32,970 --> 00:01:37,050 Well, and that's part of the problem. You sound kind of 30 00:01:37,050 --> 00:01:39,480 boomy. By the way do you change something in your I 31 00:01:40,380 --> 00:01:44,880 don't think so. No. This is this any different right here? If I 32 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:46,320 get up if get it real clear? 33 00:01:46,349 --> 00:01:50,159 Yeah. Get up close. Yeah, that sounds much better. Yeah. Yeah. 34 00:01:50,189 --> 00:01:52,469 You got this. You got to fix that thing. Man fisted 35 00:01:54,930 --> 00:01:56,520 and wrapped up in its grill? Oh, yeah. 36 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:00,420 That's great. Yeah. So the task cam mix cast for became 37 00:02:00,420 --> 00:02:01,050 available. 38 00:02:01,890 --> 00:02:04,590 And I Oh, the thing, this is the thing you were thinking about 39 00:02:04,590 --> 00:02:04,920 getting? 40 00:02:04,980 --> 00:02:08,130 Yeah, this is exactly the thing I was thinking about getting. So 41 00:02:08,130 --> 00:02:11,730 I get the thing I was thinking about getting and, and I hope 42 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,940 and I'm really jacked. I'm really happy about all this, 43 00:02:14,940 --> 00:02:20,760 like, Oh, this thing is gonna be great. Well, there's some 44 00:02:20,790 --> 00:02:24,570 there's some false advertising or things that were advertised 45 00:02:24,570 --> 00:02:27,600 as features that I thought was exactly what would make it a 46 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:33,300 great thing, a great device to reduce cables and boxes, etc. 47 00:02:35,250 --> 00:02:38,100 Well, let me tell you what the problem is. So it's very much 48 00:02:38,100 --> 00:02:44,040 like the road caster. You know, with the assignable cart, cart 49 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,410 buttons, you can put jingles in there. It's got four 50 00:02:46,410 --> 00:02:50,760 microphones, the sounds for the microphones and the preamps. And 51 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,120 all the processing is impressive. Totally cool. 52 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,870 There's no there's no noise at all. I mean, it says sounds 53 00:02:57,870 --> 00:02:58,560 super clean. 54 00:02:58,590 --> 00:03:02,970 Oh, yeah, well, but here, but I can't, you know, the part of my 55 00:03:02,970 --> 00:03:06,600 sound is actually for it not to be so super clean. But that's a 56 00:03:06,930 --> 00:03:12,630 secondary story. So the way that chain works, is and it also has 57 00:03:12,630 --> 00:03:18,540 a has a Bluetooth, input and output, it has a T RS or 58 00:03:18,570 --> 00:03:24,540 alternatively a line in and separate line out and USB. So 59 00:03:24,540 --> 00:03:27,810 what you always want is you want after, you know, each individual 60 00:03:27,810 --> 00:03:30,120 channel has to have its own effect, its own compressor, 61 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:34,680 limiter, and EQ. And then on the total mix, you want to also have 62 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,040 a compressor limiter, which is usually subtle, but it's very 63 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,670 important, because that's really what helps you with the mix. 64 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,790 Particularly if you're doing live stuff, you want everything 65 00:03:44,790 --> 00:03:46,950 a little bit on autopilot, right, you don't want to be 66 00:03:46,950 --> 00:03:49,080 riding the faders the whole time. And that's what a 67 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,950 compressor limiter will do. It's like a leveler. In essence, the 68 00:03:52,950 --> 00:03:56,520 way I like to configure them, it also kind of affects the sound a 69 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,220 bit little bit makes it more exciting. And you know, that's 70 00:03:59,250 --> 00:04:03,330 that's neither here nor there. So I thought that they had that. 71 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:09,420 And they don't, what it says is, oh, you can there's a limiter 72 00:04:09,420 --> 00:04:15,060 for when you record, but that only takes place after the 73 00:04:15,060 --> 00:04:18,810 recording, you say okay, I so it records everything without the 74 00:04:18,810 --> 00:04:22,320 compressor limiter. And then when it writes it to disk at the 75 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:26,520 very end the writing to disk, that's the compressor limiter 76 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:30,300 part, so you don't hear that. So that is a violation of the 77 00:04:30,300 --> 00:04:34,650 fundamentals that that's not in there. That I mean that's, 78 00:04:34,830 --> 00:04:37,920 that's a huge, huge problem. So that's 79 00:04:38,130 --> 00:04:40,380 because it comes out so that means it goes out to the left 80 00:04:40,380 --> 00:04:41,700 stream that way. 81 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:47,430 Exactly, exactly. So so that actually now when I'm recording, 82 00:04:47,460 --> 00:04:51,150 I can pull it through a processor later and get pretty 83 00:04:51,150 --> 00:04:54,120 close to what I like. The problem is when you're doing the 84 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,940 actual recording, the levels are all over the place. It's 85 00:04:56,940 --> 00:05:00,900 distracting all sudden you blow up my ears, and it's really And 86 00:05:00,900 --> 00:05:03,810 a compressor limiter would fix that so now I have external 87 00:05:03,810 --> 00:05:06,060 boxes really just for my headphones but I'm also 88 00:05:06,060 --> 00:05:10,110 recording it on a separate machine on audacity just to see 89 00:05:10,110 --> 00:05:13,350 if how that sounds I'm also recording on the internal SD 90 00:05:13,350 --> 00:05:18,660 card Problem number two I was delighted that it had a noise 91 00:05:18,660 --> 00:05:22,890 gate on the USB interface because then I can actually 92 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,730 bring in my buddy Dave through clean feed which needs the you 93 00:05:26,850 --> 00:05:31,260 need you know it needs to talk to USB but if you want to record 94 00:05:31,290 --> 00:05:36,540 from the USB you're getting the mix minus signal so if I want to 95 00:05:36,540 --> 00:05:40,590 record yeah it's if I want to record on Hindenburg my favorite 96 00:05:40,590 --> 00:05:44,100 editor it's not going to get that unless you put it into a s 97 00:05:44,100 --> 00:05:48,780 i o mode but then you hit you then you're forced to record you 98 00:05:48,780 --> 00:05:52,980 know all the tracks at the same time you got to go you know then 99 00:05:53,910 --> 00:05:57,150 I guess you got it you can edit it and that learn a new editor 100 00:05:57,450 --> 00:06:02,670 so I just want an additional stereo out that is after the 101 00:06:02,670 --> 00:06:05,670 final compressor limiter that I can just send to any any 102 00:06:05,670 --> 00:06:11,700 recorder Yeah, those two things by itself will be phenomenal and 103 00:06:11,730 --> 00:06:17,490 and also there's no granular controls for the USB there's 104 00:06:17,490 --> 00:06:22,500 just nothing talk music so I can't really do too much with 105 00:06:22,500 --> 00:06:25,500 your voices there's some things but it should just be every 106 00:06:25,500 --> 00:06:29,310 channel should be identical compressor limiter noise gate EQ 107 00:06:29,370 --> 00:06:33,060 that's it and now I don't know how powerful the processors in 108 00:06:33,060 --> 00:06:35,940 this thing if they can put it all in there but man that would 109 00:06:35,940 --> 00:06:39,780 make it perfect because now I have to have a whole 19 inch 110 00:06:39,780 --> 00:06:43,020 rack box outside of this thing with wires hanging off it the 111 00:06:43,020 --> 00:06:44,790 exact opposite of what I wanted 112 00:06:45,510 --> 00:06:48,030 to say this to me you've made you've made this thing this is 113 00:06:48,030 --> 00:06:50,010 worse now this is worse than it was 114 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:54,240 and well yeah no because I really love that I only had two 115 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:59,460 cables to connect you know I connected the USB and then I 116 00:06:59,460 --> 00:07:04,770 connected the laptop's audio out analog audio out jack to the 117 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:10,200 line in of you know so so that's how I do all my my effects and 118 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:15,210 the carts etc and yeah i mean that that works really well with 119 00:07:15,210 --> 00:07:18,030 with really just a couple wires but now I have to have this 120 00:07:18,030 --> 00:07:22,230 whole chain out of the back running through the compressor 121 00:07:22,230 --> 00:07:25,740 limiter then into an amplifier and just I mean I'm sure you can 122 00:07:25,740 --> 00:07:28,650 have noise you know like all kinds of noises coming along 123 00:07:28,650 --> 00:07:32,160 with this recording but anyway something that is cool 124 00:07:32,460 --> 00:07:36,240 dogs have the voice of God in case I need to solve it dude 125 00:07:36,419 --> 00:07:43,409 holy crap you know the compressor delimiter is not is 126 00:07:43,409 --> 00:07:48,929 not on the line now that God but the god voice is so much more 127 00:07:48,929 --> 00:07:49,379 important 128 00:07:51,510 --> 00:07:53,580 and that's and that's you know so then there's all kinds of 129 00:07:53,580 --> 00:07:56,640 nuance like you know the mix minus that I'm sending to you It 130 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,310 also has no compressor limiter so you're getting levels all 131 00:07:59,310 --> 00:08:02,040 over the place you're not hearing me the way I'm hearing 132 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:02,370 me 133 00:08:02,849 --> 00:08:06,839 yeah this isn't it's not you sound you sound much different 134 00:08:06,869 --> 00:08:10,679 than what you normally sound like I mean like it sounds like 135 00:08:12,150 --> 00:08:15,870 it's a very it's clean and crisp 136 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:21,450 in a disturbing way like not in the good way it's not it's not 137 00:08:21,450 --> 00:08:25,170 clean and crisp like an in like an NPR it's clean and crisp like 138 00:08:25,170 --> 00:08:27,720 a like unprocessed 139 00:08:28,110 --> 00:08:32,280 oh really I wonder if you're getting it before the processing 140 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:32,700 even 141 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,330 I don't know maybe cuz it sounds like there's no noise I mean the 142 00:08:36,330 --> 00:08:41,520 noise is zero yeah but it's it's almost like it's like you said I 143 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:45,300 mean there's no that it's an island now that I hear it yeah 144 00:08:45,330 --> 00:08:48,120 it compared to what you used to be I think there was a little 145 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:49,710 bit of graininess to the old one 146 00:08:49,740 --> 00:08:54,660 oh this is definitely cleaner, no doubt about it. And also I 147 00:08:54,660 --> 00:08:58,110 had a lot of wires connecting to stuff so then the final thing 148 00:08:58,110 --> 00:09:02,670 and then I'll shut up about it the built in recorder is 149 00:09:02,670 --> 00:09:06,390 actually quite nice you know just got a 16 gig card in there 150 00:09:06,390 --> 00:09:08,760 can do 1010 hours of recording 151 00:09:09,330 --> 00:09:11,070 that's like one episode of MO fact. 152 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:16,650 Exactly. It has a mark button which is easy to access so if 153 00:09:16,650 --> 00:09:18,780 you know that's like oh that's an added point hit the mark 154 00:09:18,780 --> 00:09:24,390 button and I would use that thing exclusively. But believe 155 00:09:24,390 --> 00:09:28,830 it or not, it's when you use the built in recorder you can't 156 00:09:28,830 --> 00:09:33,510 switch memory banks on the the eight buttons that you use for 157 00:09:33,510 --> 00:09:38,040 stuff like snow so I've got those all loaded up. And I know 158 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:43,500 why technically because you know it's it's it's recording to the 159 00:09:43,500 --> 00:09:47,340 SD card and I don't think you can record to the SD cards and 160 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:51,420 and read from them in high speed at the same time. Because that's 161 00:09:51,420 --> 00:09:55,740 where the where the cart files are stored. But it's ridiculous 162 00:09:55,740 --> 00:09:59,970 so you know I have I loaded up eight banks filled with eight 163 00:10:00,870 --> 00:10:03,960 with eight different jingles and I was like, oh, cool, I can 164 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,410 switch between them. But you can't, you can only select one. 165 00:10:08,340 --> 00:10:10,500 And you and then you can't move between them once you're 166 00:10:10,500 --> 00:10:11,130 recording. 167 00:10:12,030 --> 00:10:13,770 So, what do you know? 168 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:16,260 I'm sorry. 169 00:10:16,860 --> 00:10:18,960 Do you? Did you get my clips? 170 00:10:19,560 --> 00:10:24,540 Yeah, I got your clips. Yeah, I said, I'm sorry. I was like, I 171 00:10:24,540 --> 00:10:25,770 only heard what do you know? 172 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:31,500 But what do you know? What do you exactly what do you do every 173 00:10:31,500 --> 00:10:34,740 day? It's like, so how much was this device? It 174 00:10:34,740 --> 00:10:40,710 was five 590 959. But if, if anyone is listening task cam, 175 00:10:40,710 --> 00:10:44,160 I'm so happy to help and advise you on how to make this thing 176 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:50,280 kick ass because it's so close. And road won't listen to Don't 177 00:10:50,550 --> 00:10:52,560 Don't be like road test cam. 178 00:10:53,580 --> 00:10:56,820 And that's the that's the PR push Don't be like Don't be like 179 00:10:56,820 --> 00:11:02,160 road. What What is the? What is the issue there? Is it a 180 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,790 hardware issue? Is that a chip thing? Or is that just soft all 181 00:11:05,790 --> 00:11:06,450 software. 182 00:11:07,770 --> 00:11:10,320 You mean with the with the 183 00:11:10,350 --> 00:11:12,690 with with the limiter on what the output and 184 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,020 that's all software. If the processor can handle it's just 185 00:11:16,020 --> 00:11:19,140 software, I mean, I really only need well, desperately I need 186 00:11:19,140 --> 00:11:22,710 one compressor limiter that I can hear before it goes out of 187 00:11:22,710 --> 00:11:26,190 the chain. And then I'd love to have a compressor limiter for 188 00:11:26,190 --> 00:11:30,600 the mix minus. And I'd love to have more granular controls for 189 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:37,680 compressor on the USB and the line input. I mean, it would 190 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:41,160 just be copy paste. In essence, the way I see it in the code is 191 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,890 like okay, copy, paste, boom. Now you got that over here. I 192 00:11:43,890 --> 00:11:48,390 don't know if it there's a cost is a real cost to how much 193 00:11:48,390 --> 00:11:50,340 processing is done. 194 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,720 Yeah, yeah, I think you know, like, I guess all that stuff now 195 00:11:54,750 --> 00:11:59,040 is just, even the real time stuff is all software. I mean, 196 00:11:59,040 --> 00:11:59,400 yeah, 197 00:11:59,430 --> 00:12:03,360 the the big problem is USB and that's why I'd really love to 198 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:08,760 have a non mixed mine is USB feed that I can stick back into 199 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:16,260 the computer to record but man is USB C and USB is so messed 200 00:12:16,260 --> 00:12:16,650 up. 201 00:12:17,460 --> 00:12:18,630 It's never worth 202 00:12:19,049 --> 00:12:22,259 it's an you know, don't plug it into a hub, whatever you do. 203 00:12:22,860 --> 00:12:26,550 Oh yeah, I've never even looked for USBC hubs, but I bet you 204 00:12:26,550 --> 00:12:27,900 they're total garbage. 205 00:12:28,830 --> 00:12:32,280 So I spent about an hour and a half last night with Brett 206 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:33,030 Weinstein. 207 00:12:34,019 --> 00:12:38,789 Oh, yeah. I got put in his node thing is more. Yeah, it's. 208 00:12:39,750 --> 00:12:43,680 So Brett Weinstein. A whole bunch of people were tweeting 209 00:12:43,680 --> 00:12:46,440 him saying hey, you know, you got to hook up with Adam Curry. 210 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,920 And so I followed him and I said, Hey, Dean, you know, 211 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:53,610 whatever, happy to help. And then he DM me and he gave me his 212 00:12:53,820 --> 00:12:56,310 his number and so we were texting back and forth and he 213 00:12:56,310 --> 00:12:58,950 said, You know, I was talking with Joe Rogan about you it's 214 00:12:58,950 --> 00:13:01,740 really interesting what you're doing and so okay, well, why 215 00:13:01,740 --> 00:13:04,830 don't we get on to podcasting? 2.0 thinking, maybe you'll start 216 00:13:04,830 --> 00:13:07,110 with some simple stuff, you know, showing some chapters, 217 00:13:07,110 --> 00:13:12,360 etc. And then he says, Look, I got an umbral note so what 218 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,090 I mean like no baby steps, you 219 00:13:18,090 --> 00:13:20,100 gotta you gotta reload. 220 00:13:21,450 --> 00:13:23,010 Anyway, straight for the juggler. 221 00:13:23,100 --> 00:13:28,680 And so he said, Well, okay, and so I'm trying to I wrote down I 222 00:13:28,680 --> 00:13:32,550 sent him to value for value.io, which he had not read by this 223 00:13:32,550 --> 00:13:36,360 morning. But anyway, he was able to find his node ID because he'd 224 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:40,380 never used he has no had no channels open on his notes. 225 00:13:40,380 --> 00:13:43,980 Maybe he's only using it for on chain. I'm not sure. Or maybe 226 00:13:43,980 --> 00:13:46,140 just thought was a pretty, pretty thing to have in his 227 00:13:46,140 --> 00:13:46,680 house. 228 00:13:49,290 --> 00:13:50,640 are quite beautiful. Yeah. 229 00:13:52,050 --> 00:13:55,020 I was like, I'm looking through the through the thread here, 230 00:13:55,230 --> 00:13:59,640 because it was pretty funny. And by the way, Brett Brett 231 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:04,650 Weinstein is very, very popular. podcaster and it 232 00:14:04,649 --> 00:14:07,409 seems like a nice guy to like, for anytime I've ever heard him 233 00:14:07,409 --> 00:14:09,149 interviewed, he seems like a genuine person. 234 00:14:09,180 --> 00:14:11,460 Yeah. And he and his wife had that they do the show together. 235 00:14:11,460 --> 00:14:13,590 And they you know, they had Dr. McCulloh Han and they were 236 00:14:13,590 --> 00:14:15,720 talking about ivermectin, and then he got kicked or 237 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:19,410 demonetised and I think kicked off of YouTube. And you know, 238 00:14:19,410 --> 00:14:22,380 that was a big hit to their income because they they already 239 00:14:22,380 --> 00:14:25,170 got run out of Northwestern University. If you recall, he 240 00:14:25,170 --> 00:14:28,260 was the biology professor who refused to 241 00:14:28,590 --> 00:14:30,630 participate with Western I thought it was 242 00:14:30,660 --> 00:14:34,950 no waving down. It was what was it? Simon green? No, I thought 243 00:14:34,950 --> 00:14:35,910 it was Northwestern. 244 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:38,280 Oh, yeah, maybe maybe, right? Yeah. 245 00:14:39,990 --> 00:14:44,790 And so, you know, anyway, in from the text messages here, by 246 00:14:44,790 --> 00:14:48,120 the way, my umbral servers up and running fuck fiat currency 247 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:52,830 and the fractional reserve at wrote in on Poland. Yeah, so. So 248 00:14:52,830 --> 00:14:57,900 I'm like, okay, so Hey, your Umbra will be good stacking SATs 249 00:14:57,900 --> 00:15:01,920 every single minute. Anyway, so We get it all working you put 250 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:06,690 the block in, I opened up channels and and it all works 251 00:15:06,690 --> 00:15:10,440 and then you know, so I say this morning so Okay, so should be 252 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,080 working and this is very interesting Hold on a second. 253 00:15:14,010 --> 00:15:17,220 Okay as it's working to that's excellent I do see them but 254 00:15:17,220 --> 00:15:20,580 despite knowing what SATs are I don't quite see what is causing 255 00:15:20,580 --> 00:15:24,570 them to flow in my direction. Where do you have to stream for 256 00:15:24,690 --> 00:15:27,690 from for that to happen and where are they coming from? 257 00:15:28,049 --> 00:15:29,639 And he's a guest apps calm. 258 00:15:30,359 --> 00:15:34,049 Yeah, so I again I said look at value for value data. Oh, and 259 00:15:34,109 --> 00:15:36,839 because that just explained simply what was going on. And 260 00:15:36,839 --> 00:15:40,079 then I did a screen recording just before we started the show. 261 00:15:40,559 --> 00:15:43,769 And he's like, holy crap, I said, Yeah, it'll blow your 262 00:15:43,769 --> 00:15:49,799 mind. So this is the kind of guy who could really bring in a 263 00:15:49,799 --> 00:15:53,339 whole new slew of podcasters an audience he has half a million 264 00:15:53,339 --> 00:15:55,139 Twitter followers, you know, so he's, 265 00:15:55,649 --> 00:15:58,889 well, you know, he's got a voice crazy that he had an umbral 266 00:15:58,889 --> 00:16:01,439 before ever even knew what the heck he was doing with it. It's 267 00:16:01,439 --> 00:16:03,959 like how do you end up how do you end up with a device in your 268 00:16:03,959 --> 00:16:06,719 house that you're just like okay cool well I'm 269 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,990 gonna does a lot It does have other things that I've looked at 270 00:16:09,990 --> 00:16:13,770 the number like tried to install it on a on a Linux laptop and 271 00:16:13,770 --> 00:16:18,090 failed I think the Docker issues set up for Raspberry Pi or 272 00:16:18,090 --> 00:16:19,710 whatever so I had to give up you 273 00:16:19,710 --> 00:16:22,230 can do like owncloud and all that stuff with it too right 274 00:16:22,260 --> 00:16:26,640 yeah that's what I yeah and and you know some more open source 275 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:28,440 ish home automation 276 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:35,250 Well, this brain This brings me to a interesting topic. I was 277 00:16:35,250 --> 00:16:37,440 listening to the mere mortals podcast I've been listening to 278 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,380 that a lot and that's a great chance to listen to that Yeah. 279 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:48,150 And they they were talking about needing some jingles for their 280 00:16:48,150 --> 00:16:51,690 booster grams segment and then also and then I listen to pod 281 00:16:51,690 --> 00:16:56,190 land yesterday and James was saying that you know he's like 282 00:16:56,220 --> 00:16:59,100 oh we need you know he needs some gene jingles you know there 283 00:16:59,100 --> 00:17:02,340 ought to be like we should have like a like a starter like a 284 00:17:02,340 --> 00:17:07,740 jingle booster Graham starter pack that says download the 285 00:17:07,740 --> 00:17:09,900 starter pack. Do your own it's a blister 286 00:17:09,900 --> 00:17:12,540 pack you punch you punch it through Yeah, let me get this 287 00:17:12,540 --> 00:17:16,740 tasty little little jingle Yeah, okay, so we'd have everybody 288 00:17:16,740 --> 00:17:25,200 needs yet one and we got that one. Boost. Boost you know you 289 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,480 want to and then everybody's favorite. 290 00:17:29,250 --> 00:17:37,410 And now as the French say, it is time for loose nnessee Benjamin 291 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,740 Graham started the boost gram corner. Yeah, starter pack. You 292 00:17:46,740 --> 00:17:49,170 know, that gives everybody what they need we ever can 293 00:17:49,170 --> 00:17:57,000 we actually have a couple more. We have two streams. Yeah, 294 00:17:57,030 --> 00:18:00,030 they're all good. Okay. Should we put that on the GitHub? 295 00:18:00,870 --> 00:18:05,160 Yeah, there should be a repo or like a repo. 296 00:18:05,220 --> 00:18:08,310 Is there an easy way for me to learn how to do the repo I just 297 00:18:08,340 --> 00:18:12,270 I never got into it. No, okay. Thank you. Okay, here's I will 298 00:18:12,270 --> 00:18:15,540 zip them up and send them to you Dave repo away. 299 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,980 Now you can you can do a git GitHub isn't is not famous for 300 00:18:19,980 --> 00:18:23,580 being for being screwed. So good luck with that. 301 00:18:23,700 --> 00:18:27,570 Yeah, I was also listening to pod land and it was and by the 302 00:18:27,570 --> 00:18:32,010 way I think value for value streaming has just taken over 303 00:18:32,010 --> 00:18:36,060 the language it's like those guys start off with boosting and 304 00:18:36,060 --> 00:18:40,860 all kinds of podcasting 2.0 talking i'm i'm proud I'm proud 305 00:18:40,860 --> 00:18:45,060 of the the propaganda has worked the proper indoctrination. How 306 00:18:45,060 --> 00:18:49,770 much have we sent to James combined in the past year we 307 00:18:49,770 --> 00:18:52,080 probably spent hundreds of dollars trying to get his 308 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,830 attention maybe worse boost boost boost. 309 00:18:56,940 --> 00:18:59,760 But yeah, it works getting getting people's attention 310 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:01,620 always works with money. But 311 00:19:04,140 --> 00:19:08,940 they were talking about the apple the new and it's not 312 00:19:08,940 --> 00:19:13,020 called a VPN, whatever it is the their yellow cloaking service. I 313 00:19:13,020 --> 00:19:15,240 forget what it's called. Yeah, private relay, 314 00:19:15,390 --> 00:19:19,290 private relay, man. You got to be crazy not to think that 315 00:19:19,290 --> 00:19:22,350 that's not going to happen to podcasting. An apple is at war 316 00:19:22,380 --> 00:19:26,160 with any any advertising tracking, they're at war with 317 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:31,020 it. It's all across the board, I guess. And I don't see why they 318 00:19:31,020 --> 00:19:35,400 would spare podcasting. They they clearly put their stake in 319 00:19:35,610 --> 00:19:37,380 insert in the subscription model. 320 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,790 Well, now they have a reason not to spare it. Exactly. Now. Now 321 00:19:41,790 --> 00:19:46,440 they'll have they have their their private subscriptions. And 322 00:19:46,500 --> 00:19:51,510 then not only do they have that, that technology running, they're 323 00:19:51,510 --> 00:19:55,950 now starting to pump out stats about how many subscribers they 324 00:19:55,950 --> 00:19:56,280 had. 325 00:19:56,970 --> 00:20:00,750 Yeah, that shows you that shows you where they move. And so 326 00:20:00,990 --> 00:20:04,080 don't count on them on them not blocking that out 327 00:20:04,770 --> 00:20:08,130 yeah probably they private relay everybody else and they'll say 328 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,770 oh well we can't make any money well yeah you can come over here 329 00:20:10,770 --> 00:20:13,710 to come over here to Apple subscriptions now you can make 330 00:20:13,710 --> 00:20:15,870 some money over here and you don't have to worry about and we 331 00:20:15,870 --> 00:20:18,150 have guess what we have stats 332 00:20:18,510 --> 00:20:23,250 yeah and what we really should figure out the the proper way to 333 00:20:23,250 --> 00:20:26,340 do it value for value is we should figure out some kind of 334 00:20:26,340 --> 00:20:32,940 subscription type system which may happen with bolt 12 I guess 335 00:20:32,940 --> 00:20:34,800 where you can have different kinds of invoices. 336 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:39,630 Well I want to I want to pitch this to our guest I've got I 337 00:20:39,630 --> 00:20:42,690 want to I want to lay out my idea for the for my paywall No, 338 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:48,750 my own source paywall hmm well and finally finally going to 339 00:20:48,750 --> 00:20:50,220 take the take the cover off 340 00:20:50,250 --> 00:20:54,720 Do you already want to bring our guests in and so we can I mean, 341 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,770 I guess she's not Do you think he's properly dressed? It's kind 342 00:20:58,770 --> 00:20:58,860 of 343 00:20:59,519 --> 00:21:01,769 like if the hoodie is a little 344 00:21:01,890 --> 00:21:04,770 improper for a sandals or weird man 345 00:21:05,729 --> 00:21:08,609 I mean, I guess the board is we're a little more modern than 346 00:21:08,669 --> 00:21:09,059 we used 347 00:21:09,060 --> 00:21:12,090 to be. All right, let's bring him in right now. Welcome to the 348 00:21:12,090 --> 00:21:16,950 roundtable the founder CEO and I think the guy who does pretty 349 00:21:16,950 --> 00:21:20,460 much everything at voltage Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Graham 350 00:21:20,460 --> 00:21:21,000 critic. 351 00:21:22,020 --> 00:21:23,220 Hey guys, how's it going? 352 00:21:23,700 --> 00:21:25,920 Graham did Graham Did I pronounce that correctly? 353 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:27,870 kurzick Crazy 354 00:21:27,900 --> 00:21:30,300 Crazy close enough I mean there's a lot of different ways 355 00:21:30,300 --> 00:21:31,680 to say you could you could say 356 00:21:32,730 --> 00:21:36,450 Graham you've been an important part of the podcasting 2.0 story 357 00:21:36,450 --> 00:21:41,610 from the get go You were there with your fantastic voltage 358 00:21:41,610 --> 00:21:48,150 service hosted nodes very very happy with with the with all the 359 00:21:48,150 --> 00:21:52,680 service we've we've been able to get from from you. The nodes are 360 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:57,390 solid the services I'm we know in enlightening land there's one 361 00:21:57,390 --> 00:22:01,890 man who does not sleep and that's you. Yeah, I mean you're 362 00:22:01,890 --> 00:22:05,730 always awake it doesn't I'm in Amsterdam, Graham's there. You 363 00:22:05,730 --> 00:22:08,610 know, just one message. I mean, do you sleep with your phone 364 00:22:08,610 --> 00:22:13,260 just in case to Adam has to have a PSM question that will resolve 365 00:22:13,260 --> 00:22:15,120 itself otherwise? Yeah, I 366 00:22:15,120 --> 00:22:20,190 mean, it's just for you man. it's uh it's But no, I mean that 367 00:22:20,220 --> 00:22:22,860 I think I've mentioned it before that uh, you know when you're in 368 00:22:22,860 --> 00:22:25,800 this a revolution that we're in there's no time for sleep we got 369 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,090 a lot to get done right 370 00:22:27,509 --> 00:22:30,779 there man is a hell of a lot to get done. Why would you tell 371 00:22:30,779 --> 00:22:35,129 everybody about voltage? How you started it because it seems to 372 00:22:35,129 --> 00:22:38,129 me like you're kind of a cloud guy you come from and you know, 373 00:22:38,189 --> 00:22:42,509 of course everyone's younger than me but young guy and how 374 00:22:42,509 --> 00:22:46,859 you got from more the cloud computing side into the 375 00:22:46,859 --> 00:22:49,859 lightning cloud I guess you'd call it cloud computing but to 376 00:22:49,859 --> 00:22:55,379 the lightning side and and and and the podcasting part and what 377 00:22:55,379 --> 00:22:57,779 else you know drove you to this point 378 00:22:58,739 --> 00:23:02,069 yeah, for sure. Really kind of the the journey I think the 379 00:23:02,069 --> 00:23:05,159 journey really started for me with Bitcoin um, I found Bitcoin 380 00:23:05,159 --> 00:23:08,999 in 2012 by hearing about it through like the Silk Road 381 00:23:09,899 --> 00:23:13,739 really what fascinated me about that was the the entire peer to 382 00:23:13,739 --> 00:23:17,759 peer aspects of that and how you know, you hear people you know, 383 00:23:17,759 --> 00:23:19,559 selling drugs on the internet or whatever, but I 384 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:20,400 was buying them 385 00:23:20,790 --> 00:23:24,270 Yeah, well, it was like for me it was like how is it possible 386 00:23:24,270 --> 00:23:27,240 like yeah, like there's this makes no sense like there's got 387 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,600 to be someone in the middle that's you know, just scooping 388 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,420 people up off the street as soon as they get get delivered or 389 00:23:33,420 --> 00:23:36,690 something. So I start looking into like, you know, how is this 390 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,570 literally you know, possible and that's where I really found out 391 00:23:39,570 --> 00:23:43,080 about Bitcoin, Tor, PGP encryption, all of this you 392 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,650 know, the technology that was powering that and I was really 393 00:23:46,650 --> 00:23:50,760 just kind of hooked from there just the this really amazing 394 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:56,190 technology that has you know, just such a broad use case it 395 00:23:56,190 --> 00:23:59,280 can really change a lot of things for us. But that was I 396 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,310 was when I was in college, let your college graduate and went 397 00:24:02,310 --> 00:24:04,410 right, you know, into software engineering. And that's what 398 00:24:04,410 --> 00:24:07,560 I've done through most of my career as a software engineer, 399 00:24:07,740 --> 00:24:11,070 specifically in a public cloud infrastructure so I'm very 400 00:24:11,070 --> 00:24:14,280 familiar with you know, clouds and servers and all those those 401 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:18,180 things on the back end. And Bitcoin has always been a hobby 402 00:24:18,180 --> 00:24:20,550 of mine through the you know, through that whole process it's 403 00:24:20,550 --> 00:24:23,160 always been something I've looked at contributed to Bitcoin 404 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,800 Core a little bit always doing you know, open source projects, 405 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:30,660 things like that. And then summarizing it up to you know, 406 00:24:30,690 --> 00:24:35,130 or beginning of last year, I started looking into what, what 407 00:24:35,130 --> 00:24:37,950 is kind of next for Bitcoin, right? What is the Where are we 408 00:24:37,950 --> 00:24:40,020 going to take this thing next, and that was obviously the 409 00:24:40,020 --> 00:24:43,140 lightning network. And so I started to get more involved in 410 00:24:43,140 --> 00:24:45,480 that and I think that was even before umbrella or any of these 411 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,330 things were around and I was trying to set up a note at home 412 00:24:48,330 --> 00:24:51,150 and it was like, it was real painful. It was 413 00:24:51,270 --> 00:24:53,070 I, what year was that? 414 00:24:54,690 --> 00:24:59,580 It would have been end of 2019 I think, okay, yeah, it's probably 415 00:24:59,580 --> 00:25:03,390 around in between. 19th I started looking at this and and 416 00:25:03,390 --> 00:25:05,370 yeah, it was like, even as a technical software engineers, 417 00:25:05,370 --> 00:25:07,740 like getting a node up and running was like, it was 418 00:25:07,740 --> 00:25:11,430 difficult. Um, and so that's where I started, you know, I did 419 00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:13,860 it in the cloud. So on a cloud server got everything up and 420 00:25:13,860 --> 00:25:17,190 running, it was much easier to do there. And that's when I 421 00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:19,680 started looking at this idea of like, Well, you know, someone's 422 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,070 got to be providing this as a service, right? People can't all 423 00:25:23,070 --> 00:25:26,100 just be configuring go applications on Raspberry Pi's 424 00:25:26,100 --> 00:25:30,540 at home. What that was actually the truth is that everyone was 425 00:25:30,540 --> 00:25:34,230 doing that there was no new service for it. And that's where 426 00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:36,870 I kind of had the idea for voltage and just kind of worked 427 00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:40,230 on the platform myself just as as in my free time as a hobby 428 00:25:40,230 --> 00:25:44,190 for a little while. And it just kind of flourished from there. 429 00:25:44,190 --> 00:25:47,520 We're just getting feedback on a lot of people liked it. And, you 430 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,700 know, over time, it kind of turned into a full fledged 431 00:25:50,700 --> 00:25:53,370 company. And now we're, you know, doing really cool things 432 00:25:53,370 --> 00:25:54,720 like podcasting. 2.0 433 00:25:54,990 --> 00:25:56,970 How many people in the organization gram? 434 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,680 We have a total of 10 people now holy, moly, real hell? 435 00:26:01,980 --> 00:26:03,390 Yeah. Yeah. I 436 00:26:03,390 --> 00:26:06,180 mean, we've been growing. And we got people all over the world, 437 00:26:06,180 --> 00:26:08,730 actually, which is, you know, the other cool thing about you 438 00:26:08,730 --> 00:26:11,820 know, Bitcoin is that unites us, you know, no matter where you're 439 00:26:11,820 --> 00:26:14,700 at. So that's been a really cool thing to work with people from 440 00:26:14,700 --> 00:26:16,860 all, you know, all walks of life all over the world. 441 00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:21,090 And so how many nodes are you running? 442 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:22,860 Ah, 443 00:26:22,890 --> 00:26:25,050 we don't necessarily publicly disclose the number of nodes, 444 00:26:25,050 --> 00:26:26,550 but I mean, it's in the 1000s Okay. 445 00:26:28,290 --> 00:26:31,110 Wow. And that's all just from podcasting. 2.0 446 00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:37,650 you guys, you guys are a big influence will say that. Well, 447 00:26:38,730 --> 00:26:43,650 the really the system is just so rock solid, you know, there's 448 00:26:43,650 --> 00:26:46,620 now of course, you're here because we have an entire wish 449 00:26:46,620 --> 00:26:47,850 list of stuff we need. 450 00:26:49,530 --> 00:26:52,200 You give me that list on air, right? And I gotta promise every 451 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:53,160 pretty much 452 00:26:53,610 --> 00:26:57,240 goes, yeah. Yeah, you're in the boardroom. Man. This is like, 453 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:58,260 this is how it works. 454 00:26:59,310 --> 00:27:03,480 So like, I don't think people understand probably, what you 455 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:08,370 had to do to get these voltage to get these lnd nodes, 456 00:27:08,370 --> 00:27:11,610 lightning nodes running in a cloud in a cloud environment in 457 00:27:11,610 --> 00:27:13,860 a safe way. Because when you first think of that, you're 458 00:27:13,860 --> 00:27:16,800 like, Okay, we're going to spin up a whole bunch of cloud, cloud 459 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,500 copies of lnd. What could possibly go wrong? You know, 460 00:27:19,620 --> 00:27:22,620 that? The The first thing you think of is, I mean, gosh, this 461 00:27:22,620 --> 00:27:26,550 is just like prime hacking territory. So you've done a 462 00:27:26,730 --> 00:27:30,600 think if I've, if I understand, right, you've done some 463 00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:36,690 hardening on l&d itself, in sort of in you sort of have a wrapper 464 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:41,730 around l&d so that you can do ip whitelisting. And can you? Can 465 00:27:41,730 --> 00:27:44,280 you kind of like give a thumbnail sketch of what you all 466 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,770 have done to make that safe? Yeah, for sure. 467 00:27:46,770 --> 00:27:49,020 Yeah, I mean, you're exactly right, that that's something 468 00:27:49,020 --> 00:27:51,720 that when I was designing the platform I didn't want to do was 469 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,990 just kind of throw up lnd into the cloud, and you know, have it 470 00:27:54,990 --> 00:27:58,650 run like it does at home, because that's the threat models 471 00:27:58,650 --> 00:28:02,280 of those two areas are very different. And so as I was 472 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:07,020 developing the platform, we I worked a lot on l&d internally 473 00:28:07,020 --> 00:28:11,610 to submit some prs. And to do more encryption on like the Tor, 474 00:28:11,610 --> 00:28:15,390 private keys, a TLS, private keys, anything, anything that 475 00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:18,900 was essentially private or sensitive was encrypted to you 476 00:28:18,900 --> 00:28:21,930 know, the wallet seed. So there's nothing on disk, there 477 00:28:21,930 --> 00:28:25,110 is also a PR and lm D called stateless in it, I won't get 478 00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:27,570 into like the nitty gritty details of that, but it 479 00:28:27,570 --> 00:28:30,270 essentially allows you to, you know, return all of the 480 00:28:30,270 --> 00:28:33,270 credentials in the initialisation requests, instead 481 00:28:33,270 --> 00:28:37,020 of writing them to disk, which was done previously. So given 482 00:28:37,020 --> 00:28:40,440 all these things that we've done with the nodes, there's nothing 483 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,190 that is like sitting on distance unencrypted, or that, you know, 484 00:28:44,190 --> 00:28:47,100 we could see we the nodes that we run, we can't see inside of 485 00:28:47,100 --> 00:28:50,250 them, we can't see your channels, your balances anything 486 00:28:50,250 --> 00:28:52,800 like that. So we you know, they're essentially black boxes 487 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,130 to us even. And we did a lot with that on like our front end 488 00:28:56,130 --> 00:29:00,090 dashboard to to make that a really seamless integration to 489 00:29:00,090 --> 00:29:03,510 where our dashboard kind of communicates both with our API's 490 00:29:03,540 --> 00:29:06,150 to create your know, do all of those things, but then it's also 491 00:29:06,150 --> 00:29:09,810 talking directly to your node, when it's initializing it, 492 00:29:10,050 --> 00:29:13,860 unlocking all of these things, so we never see your password. 493 00:29:13,860 --> 00:29:16,440 We don't know what your password is to your node, we can't unlock 494 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,580 it, we can't do any of those things. So really, we took a 495 00:29:20,580 --> 00:29:25,260 very, very security first way of writing these nodes for exactly 496 00:29:25,260 --> 00:29:28,860 what you said. And the The other thing you mentioned was like ip 497 00:29:28,860 --> 00:29:32,310 whitelisting for the API's and whatnot. We've added that in for 498 00:29:32,490 --> 00:29:36,030 you know, we don't really want your l&d API's exposed to the 499 00:29:36,030 --> 00:29:38,430 internet, even with the credentials that are on them. 500 00:29:38,670 --> 00:29:42,090 Still not a great idea. So you know, we have ip whitelisting so 501 00:29:42,090 --> 00:29:46,200 you can control who accesses and all of those things. So we 502 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,450 wanted to make this a very scalable and very easy to use 503 00:29:48,450 --> 00:29:54,120 platform but also not really, we wanted to keep the security you 504 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,130 know, as as hard as possible. 505 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,390 Well, that makes you know that's that's a wonderful thing to Have 506 00:30:00,390 --> 00:30:03,990 as a as a user, but then from your standpoint, you, you know, 507 00:30:03,990 --> 00:30:06,240 you still got to support it. And every time you encrypt something 508 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,820 or make it invisible to yourself, it makes it harder to 509 00:30:08,820 --> 00:30:12,570 support has that been had the I guess you, I guess you've 510 00:30:12,570 --> 00:30:15,780 allowed? I know you can manage channels and that kind of thing, 511 00:30:15,780 --> 00:30:18,360 or at least have some visibility into some channels, even if you 512 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,480 can't see the note itself. Have you had Have you? Have you 513 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,330 worked around this sort of support? nightmare versus 514 00:30:24,990 --> 00:30:25,800 privacy? 515 00:30:26,370 --> 00:30:29,460 Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I think you're exactly right. That it, I 516 00:30:29,460 --> 00:30:32,520 think it comes with a support burden to where, you know, if we 517 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,430 had access to everything, we can manage everything, that'd be 518 00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:39,060 really easy. And so it's there's a trade off there. But that's 519 00:30:39,060 --> 00:30:41,640 something that we kind of consciously took on, because I 520 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,940 think the security is more important than our, you know, 521 00:30:44,940 --> 00:30:50,460 support burden. And so, you know, we do a lot to really try 522 00:30:51,090 --> 00:30:54,300 it, we, I guess we're kind of clever with how we do it. So 523 00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:56,280 like when things like we have like an integration with breeze 524 00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,480 for example, where they, you know, with you by a podcasting 525 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,360 node, you get a channel open to you from breeze, you can start, 526 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,430 you know, getting that inbound capacity for people to stream to 527 00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:09,000 you instantly, that is really done on the in our dashboard. 528 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,670 And it is, you know, your node has to appear with breeze before 529 00:31:11,670 --> 00:31:13,680 they can open the channel. And that's all done from the 530 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,380 dashboard. So it seems like it's kind of this automated thing, 531 00:31:16,380 --> 00:31:19,800 but it's really, it's really you making the request client side 532 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,500 to do all this stuff. But we just make it really, really 533 00:31:22,500 --> 00:31:25,980 simple and abstracted away to where, you know, we aren't, we 534 00:31:25,980 --> 00:31:28,530 aren't doing anything with your node. We're just making it 535 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,470 easier for for you to do it yourself, I guess. 536 00:31:33,030 --> 00:31:36,180 Okay, all right. So that that sort of happens post unlock, and 537 00:31:36,180 --> 00:31:37,650 then those kinds of 538 00:31:37,650 --> 00:31:39,630 things. Yes, yes. That's correct. Yeah, 539 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:44,520 I guess. Okay. Yeah. Well, I mean, you, you talked about, you 540 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,010 mentioned a second ago about your API. And I think you've 541 00:31:47,010 --> 00:31:49,860 just recently released an API. And that's part of what I want 542 00:31:49,860 --> 00:31:54,210 to ask you about for us. I mean, we run our node on your own on 543 00:31:54,210 --> 00:31:58,530 voltage, like, What can your new What can your API now that is 544 00:31:58,530 --> 00:32:02,310 public? What can we do with that? How does that help us what 545 00:32:02,970 --> 00:32:05,010 I mean, I've got some ideas and stuff I want to do. But like, 546 00:32:05,010 --> 00:32:08,970 what, what do you think that? That helps us do? Yeah, I 547 00:32:08,970 --> 00:32:13,050 mean, it definitely helps with the management of it. So through 548 00:32:13,050 --> 00:32:15,570 the API, you can I mean, you can obviously create new nodes, but 549 00:32:15,570 --> 00:32:18,270 you can also for your existing nodes, you can stop and start 550 00:32:18,270 --> 00:32:21,780 them or update them. So you know, we have web hooks on the 551 00:32:21,780 --> 00:32:24,480 platform to you know, we could send you an update, or a web 552 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,270 hook that says, hey, your note has an update, you could 553 00:32:27,270 --> 00:32:29,220 probably probably should evaluate, you know, the version 554 00:32:29,220 --> 00:32:33,000 updates and whatnot. And then you could automate the update 555 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,380 process of just hitting the API. We also have like a ways you can 556 00:32:37,380 --> 00:32:41,190 use the API's to get logs from your node, get like the 557 00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:44,580 macaroons to connect all of these things. So you can really 558 00:32:44,580 --> 00:32:48,750 kind of, it allows you to integrate the voltage platform 559 00:32:48,780 --> 00:32:51,300 more into like your apps or whatever you have, if you have 560 00:32:51,300 --> 00:32:53,670 some management dashboards for podcasts, you know, your 561 00:32:53,670 --> 00:32:57,600 podcasting setups, and whatnot, you could basically control your 562 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,650 node from that from your own dashboards VR API. 563 00:33:02,610 --> 00:33:05,160 Okay, what about backups? Can you do those, like channel 564 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:06,330 backups through the API? 565 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,180 Yeah, I mean, so channel backups are created automatically. 566 00:33:09,180 --> 00:33:13,920 That's something we just do for you. I'm just on the platform in 567 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,620 general, but you can use the API to like, take comment, like 568 00:33:16,620 --> 00:33:20,400 download them, or, you know, take them off of back them up on 569 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,850 your own storage, too. So yes, you can use the API to, you 570 00:33:23,850 --> 00:33:25,140 know, create exports like that. 571 00:33:26,370 --> 00:33:30,960 That was one thing I want to ask you about is, you know, this lot 572 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,420 of podcasters here doing value for value who listened to our 573 00:33:33,420 --> 00:33:36,990 show, and a lot of them are running their own nodes. And 574 00:33:37,020 --> 00:33:41,790 whether you're on voltage or running your own node. One thing 575 00:33:41,790 --> 00:33:44,280 I've been wanting to pick your brain about for a while is just 576 00:33:45,810 --> 00:33:52,320 good. Node management, hygiene. hygiene. Yeah. What is what is 577 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,410 what what are your recommendations for a way that 578 00:33:55,410 --> 00:33:57,600 somebody somebody is running their own node, whether it's on 579 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:02,580 your own voltage or their other or themselves? What is your your 580 00:34:02,580 --> 00:34:06,870 advice for how to make sure that they're they're running safely, 581 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,320 and keeping things backed up keeping their channels? Do you 582 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,740 have any just general advice on how to run a node in a good way 583 00:34:13,740 --> 00:34:16,980 for somebody like a podcaster? Who may be getting sort of 584 00:34:16,980 --> 00:34:19,290 constant streaming? payments? 585 00:34:19,860 --> 00:34:22,440 Yeah, yeah, for sure. No, I mean, that's a great question. 586 00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:26,220 Um, and so as far as like, you know, the safety goes, I mean, 587 00:34:26,220 --> 00:34:29,850 definitely keeping backups of your channels with that channel. 588 00:34:29,850 --> 00:34:32,220 backup file, as you mentioned, is very important. I'm not 589 00:34:32,220 --> 00:34:35,220 honestly I haven't used a number all before so I'm not sure if 590 00:34:35,220 --> 00:34:38,010 that like automates it or how that works. But keeping copies 591 00:34:38,010 --> 00:34:40,740 of that is very important. on our platform, I know for sure 592 00:34:40,740 --> 00:34:43,890 that we do automatic backups, and we you know, we do 593 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,650 replication of those across the world to make sure that those 594 00:34:46,650 --> 00:34:50,520 are safe. So that's a very important piece just for sake of 595 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,520 just fund recovery. If your nodes database gets corrupted or 596 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,710 something, just literally getting your money out of it, 597 00:34:55,740 --> 00:34:59,460 and that's that's going to be very important. And then another 598 00:34:59,460 --> 00:35:02,880 thing that When you're running, it's more of a an issue with 599 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,580 larger scale nodes like like you guys or someone didn't like 600 00:35:05,850 --> 00:35:11,370 maybe the smaller nodes. But the l&d by default, uses a database 601 00:35:11,370 --> 00:35:14,790 called revolt, which is it's kind of an embedded database. So 602 00:35:14,910 --> 00:35:18,900 it's not really made for large scale. And if you're, you know, 603 00:35:20,130 --> 00:35:23,730 why, well, like this thing with podcasting 2.0, your value for 604 00:35:23,730 --> 00:35:27,090 value is there's a lot of little payments, it's a lot of invoices 605 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,990 in your database. So it can grow pretty large over time. And it's 606 00:35:30,990 --> 00:35:34,080 not really optimized to be handled in a, you know, really 607 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:40,290 large way. So the best way to work with that is to l&d has 608 00:35:40,290 --> 00:35:43,050 API's to export all of your invoices, payments, 609 00:35:43,050 --> 00:35:46,200 transactions, all of those things out of the database. And 610 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,130 I always recommend to store those somewhere else, whether 611 00:35:50,130 --> 00:35:53,580 it's just csvs or whatever, just outside of your node. And then 612 00:35:53,580 --> 00:35:56,700 l&d has some new API's that allow you to delete those out of 613 00:35:56,700 --> 00:36:02,310 the node. Yeah, which is gonna be very important for one for 614 00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:05,070 like to export that data out in case anything happens you still 615 00:36:05,070 --> 00:36:08,850 have that data but then it also keeps your node fast and able to 616 00:36:08,850 --> 00:36:13,530 do you know transactions really quickly. And then but the other 617 00:36:13,530 --> 00:36:16,770 important piece of it is once you delete all of those 618 00:36:16,770 --> 00:36:19,590 payments, it's just kind of one of the intricacies of Ebola but 619 00:36:19,590 --> 00:36:23,070 you have to do compaction on the database like actually remove 620 00:36:23,070 --> 00:36:27,330 the value like the the records from it I'm again not sure how 621 00:36:27,330 --> 00:36:30,000 that works on Umbro, but on ours we have like an auto compaction 622 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:34,080 feature that you could turn on to compact your database to make 623 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,070 sure those are 624 00:36:35,220 --> 00:36:38,820 white none of that none of that sounds that sexy oh that was all 625 00:36:38,820 --> 00:36:41,460 really really scary. I mean, if any of it 626 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,750 that's I mean that's one of the things that's one of the 627 00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:49,560 challenges for us and ever everyone is how do we make this 628 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,530 sexy? You know, this is all low level technical stuff, right? 629 00:36:52,530 --> 00:36:54,540 And how do we make it more more sexy? 630 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,140 And make it sexy? 631 00:36:58,140 --> 00:37:01,050 Exactly. Right, right that's the way to get 632 00:37:01,620 --> 00:37:04,920 now but the other thing you mentioned Dave was the channels 633 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,010 and obviously if you're a podcaster and you're wanting 634 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,470 you're needing to receive payments from your listeners, 635 00:37:10,500 --> 00:37:13,950 you got to have an inbound capacity so that's something to 636 00:37:13,950 --> 00:37:16,050 always kind of keep an eye on it's not i'm not saying that you 637 00:37:16,050 --> 00:37:19,890 need 100 channels open to you You just need one or two or 638 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:24,030 maybe three that have enough capacity on the opposite side to 639 00:37:24,030 --> 00:37:27,570 receive those payments. So that's just something to keep an 640 00:37:27,570 --> 00:37:31,770 eye on and we're working on some products to make the channel 641 00:37:31,770 --> 00:37:36,570 creation easier and being able to make like get that amount 642 00:37:36,570 --> 00:37:40,920 capacity easier than than it exists today. So there's a few 643 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,880 things that will be out soonish that will help with that then 644 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,340 that's just something to always keep in mind is you know you 645 00:37:47,340 --> 00:37:50,310 can't as a podcaster you can't be receiving payments if you 646 00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:53,010 don't have capacity in the lightning network to receive on 647 00:37:53,010 --> 00:37:53,610 basically 648 00:37:55,350 --> 00:37:58,680 Yeah, we we try we've tried to as people come online as 649 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,730 podcasters come online with their own nodes we've tried to 650 00:38:02,730 --> 00:38:05,370 open up channels to them to give them some initial inbound 651 00:38:05,370 --> 00:38:08,340 liquidity and that kind of thing and this that's gonna you know 652 00:38:08,340 --> 00:38:12,630 it's it's worked well so far and we're happy to do it one problem 653 00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:16,140 we do end up with lots and lots of channels I mean small ones 654 00:38:16,140 --> 00:38:19,080 too yeah we got like 112 channels Yeah, I 655 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,200 was thinking we need to set an inbound limit on because you 656 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:26,580 know when you get the 50,000 set channel it's just it's not you 657 00:38:26,580 --> 00:38:27,600 know doesn't help 658 00:38:28,260 --> 00:38:31,200 right so is that is that what you guys do right now as you 659 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,170 know you know we're doing you're just kind of helpful and yeah 660 00:38:34,170 --> 00:38:34,860 free people 661 00:38:34,890 --> 00:38:35,700 yeah channels 662 00:38:35,700 --> 00:38:41,790 yeah so we'll open channels typically 200 SATs 250 sometimes 663 00:38:41,790 --> 00:38:47,280 a million you know we've got a 5 million channel to Elon pay we 664 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,040 have a you know there's I have a channel to voltage which has 665 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,990 been stuck for 18 months 666 00:38:54,180 --> 00:38:55,800 if only we knew somebody at voltage 667 00:38:56,490 --> 00:38:59,580 yeah that you should have told me about that we get a hold on 668 00:38:59,580 --> 00:39:02,820 Look at that. I don't know I'm not familiar with that but we 669 00:39:02,820 --> 00:39:04,020 could definitely look into 670 00:39:04,530 --> 00:39:11,130 the transaction ID so yeah, and you know, we try to set zero 671 00:39:11,130 --> 00:39:15,900 base fee on on new channels just to help stuff move through. So 672 00:39:15,900 --> 00:39:18,570 we've actually we're a little bit of a routing node is 673 00:39:18,570 --> 00:39:22,920 interesting. We get them I think we get the most routing SATs 674 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,950 from pod friend you know, however, the network has 675 00:39:25,950 --> 00:39:29,340 determined that this is the way it's supposed to go so yeah, 676 00:39:29,370 --> 00:39:32,250 yeah, we're just trying to be as kind of a good steward 677 00:39:32,250 --> 00:39:35,340 mothership in the middle and I think it's effective you know, 678 00:39:35,340 --> 00:39:38,460 particularly for for new people who just they have no inbound 679 00:39:38,460 --> 00:39:42,270 liquidity don't understand really what they're doing. So 680 00:39:42,270 --> 00:39:43,350 we'll just hand it to them 681 00:39:44,010 --> 00:39:47,520 yeah, yeah. I mean I that makes sense. I think that's really 682 00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:50,970 good for for the time where we're at have this kind of, 683 00:39:51,330 --> 00:39:53,760 we're still in the early days right and figuring out how this 684 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,140 is all going to work but but we're 685 00:39:55,140 --> 00:39:58,530 told we're totally the the bastard stepchild when it comes 686 00:39:58,530 --> 00:40:03,900 to people Developing for the lightning network because our 687 00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:08,310 routing our liquidity is low we but we have a very high volume 688 00:40:08,370 --> 00:40:13,110 of transactions. So you know, no one's really thinking about all 689 00:40:13,110 --> 00:40:17,010 these optimizations that we that we need because of that volume. 690 00:40:17,010 --> 00:40:19,950 But if we're all successful, eventually we will need them. 691 00:40:20,970 --> 00:40:24,540 Yeah, yeah, no, I mean completely. I think that's 692 00:40:24,540 --> 00:40:27,690 something we should we should talk about after this is I think 693 00:40:27,690 --> 00:40:30,330 we have a we have some things coming out that will help you 694 00:40:30,330 --> 00:40:32,640 and then also help a lot of these new podcasters coming 695 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,480 online and how they're going to manage the Mmm, liquidity. So I 696 00:40:36,810 --> 00:40:38,880 don't have anything that I can say on the show yet. But I mean, 697 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,100 I think we'll have some solutions soon. That will really 698 00:40:41,100 --> 00:40:44,880 help this onboarding process where it's not it's not Adam and 699 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,730 Dave opening up every single podcast channel. 700 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,000 That's in the spec, right? 701 00:40:51,419 --> 00:40:55,859 Yeah. Have you have you considered like real consumer 702 00:40:55,889 --> 00:41:00,419 market where you know, you have a family node? And maybe I know, 703 00:41:00,419 --> 00:41:04,979 you and I, we've talked about Elon bits, or some other kind 704 00:41:04,979 --> 00:41:10,319 of, we call it Uncle Joe, Uncle Joe's node, you know, so people 705 00:41:10,319 --> 00:41:13,649 can share with a simple wallet that they can hook up to, you 706 00:41:13,649 --> 00:41:16,019 know, blue wallet, or somewhere where maybe zap something like 707 00:41:16,019 --> 00:41:16,379 that? 708 00:41:17,129 --> 00:41:20,819 Yeah, yeah, that's something we're looking into primarily 709 00:41:20,819 --> 00:41:23,159 from, like we talked about with like Elon bits, because for 710 00:41:23,159 --> 00:41:25,979 those that aren't familiar, Elon bits is a an application that 711 00:41:25,979 --> 00:41:27,959 connects to your node that you can do some of that. 712 00:41:29,340 --> 00:41:34,770 Like Elon bits, I think is cool. I love the little modules. And I 713 00:41:34,770 --> 00:41:37,860 have never been able to successfully get my certificate 714 00:41:38,100 --> 00:41:43,020 properly installed on my on my raspy Blitz, but otherwise, the 715 00:41:43,020 --> 00:41:47,100 ln URL stuff works. It's it's, it's really it's pretty cool, 716 00:41:47,610 --> 00:41:50,760 huh? Yeah, I mean, it's a good application. And that's 717 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,400 something that we're looking into bringing onto the platform. 718 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,760 So you know, things like that will be possible soon. Once we 719 00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,300 kind of get that on there. And then you can create wallets for 720 00:42:00,420 --> 00:42:02,700 family members, friends, what you know, whatever it is, 721 00:42:02,700 --> 00:42:05,700 what other markets, are you going into what other markets 722 00:42:05,700 --> 00:42:09,300 are you looking at for, you know, for lightening services? 723 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:14,670 Yeah, I mean, I think that so there's, as far as we're just 724 00:42:14,670 --> 00:42:17,010 trying to offer sewer service for kind of everyone, right. And 725 00:42:17,010 --> 00:42:19,530 that's, that's intentionally broad, because we're so early, 726 00:42:19,530 --> 00:42:23,040 that there's a lot of people that need help. But there's, you 727 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,100 know, with what's going on in El Salvador, and all these new 728 00:42:26,850 --> 00:42:30,420 things where, you know, it's becoming more everyday use, 729 00:42:30,420 --> 00:42:33,870 we're seeing a lot of inbound from people like, like banks, 730 00:42:33,870 --> 00:42:38,040 and right, more traditional institutions that, you know, 731 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,130 maybe previously were writing an offer saying, well look at it 732 00:42:41,130 --> 00:42:44,520 next year. And now it's like, oh, you know, people are using 733 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,290 this every day in El Salvador like this is, you know, we're 734 00:42:46,290 --> 00:42:48,870 going to need to start looking at the sooner than the next 735 00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:49,140 year, 736 00:42:49,650 --> 00:42:52,170 big retail point of sale, that kind of stuff. 737 00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:56,940 I mean, potentially, I think it's that that could be I see it 738 00:42:56,940 --> 00:43:00,510 more, maybe in like in the financial institutions where 739 00:43:00,510 --> 00:43:03,750 it's like now Yeah, yeah, stuff like that, I think will 740 00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:07,110 definitely come online soon. But I mean, like breezes, you know, 741 00:43:07,110 --> 00:43:09,240 point of sale and things like that. I think it's been gaining 742 00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:12,720 adoption as well. So I think we could see it kind of across the 743 00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:13,590 board, almost. 744 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:18,390 What about legislation? this kind of stuff? I mean, I'm sure 745 00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:21,390 you follow it, how closely do you care? Does it matter to your 746 00:43:21,390 --> 00:43:22,080 business? 747 00:43:22,860 --> 00:43:26,400 Yeah, I mean, it's, it does matter to us. And it's something 748 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:31,230 that I do try and follow. And it's something that it's, it's 749 00:43:31,230 --> 00:43:34,440 changing quickly. And so it is kind of difficult to figure out 750 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,350 what's what and how is this going to work out? Luckily, I 751 00:43:37,350 --> 00:43:39,390 think a lot of these things have a little bit of lead time on 752 00:43:39,390 --> 00:43:43,830 them before they actually go into effect. So I'm, you know, 753 00:43:43,830 --> 00:43:46,890 they're I think, today, there's been a few things happen this 754 00:43:46,890 --> 00:43:49,470 year that weren't, you know, quite friendly to what we're 755 00:43:49,470 --> 00:43:54,120 doing. But I think I think it comes down to education. I mean, 756 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,690 there's some people in politics that don't really care to be 757 00:43:57,690 --> 00:44:01,110 educated. But I think it does, I think there's a good amount of 758 00:44:01,110 --> 00:44:03,570 people out there that if we can just get the education right and 759 00:44:03,570 --> 00:44:07,170 really convey what is truly happening. And this isn't just 760 00:44:07,170 --> 00:44:10,230 some, you know, bitcoins, not some scheme that it's going to 761 00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:13,290 rob every one of their wealth or something like that. I think 762 00:44:13,290 --> 00:44:14,310 that'll go a long way. 763 00:44:15,180 --> 00:44:18,570 Yeah, I was I was listening to again on mere mortals. They were 764 00:44:18,570 --> 00:44:23,280 talking about doing some Bitcoin meetups down in, in Australia, 765 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:28,800 in Brisbane, and they were just kind of commenting on how they 766 00:44:29,010 --> 00:44:33,150 nobody that they met. In the Bitcoin meetups down there. 767 00:44:33,150 --> 00:44:37,260 nobody seemed to care or mentioned what the price of 768 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:41,550 bitcoin was, like it denominated in Fiat, everybody, they were 769 00:44:41,550 --> 00:44:44,700 just sort of like, Well, you know, they don't this is sort of 770 00:44:44,700 --> 00:44:47,520 like they don't care what the price is. No, and that was 771 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,800 really yeah, that was really interesting. Because if you 772 00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,880 think about it, I mean, it makes sense. I know, most Bitcoin. 773 00:44:54,240 --> 00:45:00,000 People are in they, at this point. They're Of course, you're 774 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,270 Have your tech bros in your scammy investor guys but you 775 00:45:03,270 --> 00:45:08,340 know really oh so many of the people that we have met in and 776 00:45:08,340 --> 00:45:12,930 know of are in it for a bit a much bigger they're in it for 777 00:45:12,930 --> 00:45:18,210 ideology not for you know in getting getting rich or or 778 00:45:18,210 --> 00:45:18,720 whatever 779 00:45:18,750 --> 00:45:20,730 we all win we all work together 780 00:45:21,540 --> 00:45:25,860 yeah you look at GG tweeted something yesterday and he said 781 00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:30,450 when when your money when money is broken, everything becomes 782 00:45:30,450 --> 00:45:35,820 money. And that was so is such a profound thing to say because 783 00:45:35,820 --> 00:45:39,120 he's exactly right and we should we're seeing it right now. We're 784 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,030 seeing it where all of a sudden all these asset classes are in 785 00:45:42,030 --> 00:45:46,170 bubbles, you know, houses are now money. Cars are money. You 786 00:45:46,170 --> 00:45:49,620 know, tech is money. I mean, everything is because of being 787 00:45:49,620 --> 00:45:53,910 priced. All our assets are now being priced in terms of, of 788 00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:57,690 their monetary value, because the money itself has been 789 00:45:58,020 --> 00:46:02,820 broken. Yeah, it's like we I mean, we have saw yesterday that 790 00:46:02,820 --> 00:46:06,960 20% of the total US dollars in circulation today. 791 00:46:06,990 --> 00:46:09,450 Yes from the past. Yeah, 792 00:46:09,780 --> 00:46:13,890 we're in 2020 in 2020 alone is 20% of the total. 793 00:46:14,430 --> 00:46:22,590 But Dave that's immunised money. It's transitory stop ever mmt 794 00:46:22,620 --> 00:46:23,940 mmt Yeah, exactly. 795 00:46:23,940 --> 00:46:24,450 Yeah, 796 00:46:24,660 --> 00:46:27,750 no, I mean No, I mean I completely agree and I think 797 00:46:27,750 --> 00:46:31,380 that that's where i think that you know, learning Bitcoin and 798 00:46:31,380 --> 00:46:34,230 all of these things is a journey and i think that you know, 799 00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:37,350 that's where I see more and more people coming to is I think 800 00:46:37,350 --> 00:46:40,020 there's a stage in your journey where you realize that like the 801 00:46:40,020 --> 00:46:43,680 Fiat dollar value of this stuff doesn't quite matter as much as 802 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:44,820 you previously thought 803 00:46:45,180 --> 00:46:51,300 which is what is the some of the most surprising customers you 804 00:46:51,300 --> 00:46:53,670 have business wise? 805 00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:59,610 Um, I mean we so I think that the ones so I that's what I like 806 00:46:59,610 --> 00:47:01,860 what we're doing is because we have a very wide range of 807 00:47:01,860 --> 00:47:07,050 customers, whether it's pot like podcasting, gaming, there's some 808 00:47:07,050 --> 00:47:09,720 financial institutions and there's things like Sphinx chat 809 00:47:10,020 --> 00:47:15,090 that's like you know, messaging so the the use case is very very 810 00:47:15,090 --> 00:47:17,340 broad for the lightning network which is why I mean one of the 811 00:47:17,340 --> 00:47:20,820 reasons I find it so interesting this can really be applied to 812 00:47:20,820 --> 00:47:25,830 anything so I think that we've we have a lot of really 813 00:47:25,830 --> 00:47:28,350 interesting use cases primarily like some of the ones that I 814 00:47:28,350 --> 00:47:31,680 find most interesting are like gaming podcasting those things 815 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,640 and then we also have just like the financial services which is 816 00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,210 you know, maybe more not very weird I think that's probably 817 00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:42,180 more of the predictable ones but you know, we're having 818 00:47:42,180 --> 00:47:45,690 conversations with people that you you wouldn't expect I guess 819 00:47:45,690 --> 00:47:49,200 even I'm kind of blown away by the inbound we get of like, oh 820 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,440 you're you're I would never expect you to be looking at 821 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,770 lightning right now but but you are so I think that's the big 822 00:47:55,770 --> 00:48:01,620 surprising thing is the amount of traditional services that are 823 00:48:01,710 --> 00:48:03,690 starting to look into this space 824 00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:07,350 like a like a grocery store or something I mean, like just eat 825 00:48:07,740 --> 00:48:11,490 yeah yeah or like just read like retail Yeah, yeah. Or like just 826 00:48:11,490 --> 00:48:14,340 bigger banks where you're like you know, there's they're so big 827 00:48:14,340 --> 00:48:17,190 that well why would they look into you know, something like 828 00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:21,810 this? Or you know, just yeah, these auxilary services that you 829 00:48:21,810 --> 00:48:25,620 just never quite expect to be you know, for us it makes sense 830 00:48:25,620 --> 00:48:27,750 you know, for them to be on lightning but I think that 831 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:32,010 they're still part of me that's like a I think that there's I'm 832 00:48:32,010 --> 00:48:34,380 surprised that they're as far along in their journey as they 833 00:48:34,380 --> 00:48:34,770 are. 834 00:48:35,730 --> 00:48:40,290 Did you do your yoga Lobo Do you have Do you have customers like 835 00:48:40,290 --> 00:48:42,150 you know, Salvador in all parts of the world? 836 00:48:42,810 --> 00:48:47,430 Yeah, yeah, we do. We are we are global. And we do have customers 837 00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:50,130 and you know, some Central American countries, some in 838 00:48:50,130 --> 00:48:53,340 Europe and whatnot. So we definitely are global and where 839 00:48:53,550 --> 00:48:56,040 we're working on rolling out the platform in a more global way 840 00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,370 where you can we have you know, we have zones all over the world 841 00:48:59,370 --> 00:49:02,400 but making all of those zones publicly available, things like 842 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,420 that. So we're we're working on making the platform more global 843 00:49:06,420 --> 00:49:08,910 as well but we do have customers that are outside the US 844 00:49:09,630 --> 00:49:14,220 that my partner Dave had a big ask for you. Oh, yeah. 845 00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:17,250 What was the ask some feature you 846 00:49:17,250 --> 00:49:17,760 wanted? 847 00:49:18,900 --> 00:49:21,720 Oh, you're talking about the Oh, okay. No, well, wouldn't have 848 00:49:21,720 --> 00:49:23,400 for you to my we were talking about a while ago that's that 849 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,410 wasn't a feature that was where I was wanting to roll this out 850 00:49:25,410 --> 00:49:28,080 to you and see what you what you think about it. So this is 851 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:33,090 there. There's subscriptions in pod, you know what we're doing 852 00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:38,700 pay, you know, this actually played a pay. Yeah, value, but 853 00:49:38,730 --> 00:49:41,580 you could do this in a subscription format, where with 854 00:49:41,580 --> 00:49:46,680 a paywall type deal. So here here's, here's the, I mean, 855 00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,320 you're familiar enough with podcasting to give your input on 856 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:55,980 this. So the idea here is you have a podcasting host. And the 857 00:49:55,980 --> 00:50:00,960 podcasting host is serving up the RSS feeds Well, the way it 858 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,600 works now is if I want to, if I want to subscribe and you can 859 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:08,280 see this through Who is it? What's the name of substack? 860 00:50:08,610 --> 00:50:14,010 Okay, so substack has a gal in there who wants to give out a 861 00:50:14,010 --> 00:50:18,090 private feed for his members. Well, they produce a private, a 862 00:50:18,090 --> 00:50:22,410 producer separate RSS feed with like, with either like a token 863 00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:27,300 or like HTTP basic, you know, authentication or something like 864 00:50:27,300 --> 00:50:31,590 that. And that's the URL that you take in, and manually copy 865 00:50:31,590 --> 00:50:36,840 it and paste it in your podcast player. The problem that, I 866 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,760 mean, the problem there is like, I mean, you can share that 867 00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,870 anybody can use it, because it's just tokenized. And then, and 868 00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:45,330 you can get sucked into directories, and it's also a 869 00:50:45,330 --> 00:50:49,590 pain in the butt. Um, so. But then you got the alternate 870 00:50:49,590 --> 00:50:53,520 model, which is Apple, or Spotify, whoever, who's going to 871 00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,660 have like this private podcasting service subscription 872 00:50:57,660 --> 00:51:01,170 service where there is no feed, I mean, it's all just, you know, 873 00:51:01,170 --> 00:51:05,160 built into their proprietary system. So it's thinking, what 874 00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:09,540 you could do is you could have just your single feed. So I've 875 00:51:09,540 --> 00:51:13,830 got a solution, say this, this podcast, podcasting 2.0, RSS 876 00:51:13,830 --> 00:51:21,930 feed, and I won't, but I want to make it some of the content in 877 00:51:21,930 --> 00:51:28,320 the feed paywall so as the podcast host, for the feed, 878 00:51:29,070 --> 00:51:41,100 could generate a generated key, paid or seed value. When you say 879 00:51:41,130 --> 00:51:43,410 I want to subscribe, so you click say I want to subscribe to 880 00:51:43,410 --> 00:51:49,020 this content, it generate in your, your podcast player 881 00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:55,980 generates a seed, sends it through the processing system on 882 00:51:55,980 --> 00:51:58,800 the host on the hosting platform. So in somewhere in the 883 00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,460 feed, there was a bit like a, an in an API endpoint or something 884 00:52:02,460 --> 00:52:04,680 that you could communicate for to do this subscription with, 885 00:52:05,340 --> 00:52:11,130 generate a seed value, send it to the host, the hosting company 886 00:52:11,130 --> 00:52:15,960 records it. And that's going to be your one time your time based 887 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:21,030 one time password seed. So now, the podcast app knows the time 888 00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:24,120 based one time password, and the podcast host knows knows the 889 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:29,310 seed value for that to calculate the TFTP. Now every time you go 890 00:52:29,310 --> 00:52:34,110 to refresh and pull a new copy of the feed, you generate the T 891 00:52:34,170 --> 00:52:38,190 the one time password, send it back to the host. And then the 892 00:52:38,190 --> 00:52:41,610 host authenticates. And that's how they serve you the 893 00:52:41,610 --> 00:52:45,660 enclosure. So when I go to request the enclosure to listen 894 00:52:45,660 --> 00:52:49,620 to this episode that says it's protected, I'm sending the T OTP 895 00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:55,350 as a as a as a URL parameter back with it. And the host now 896 00:52:55,350 --> 00:52:59,220 knows, okay, this is a valid subscription. Because I've got, 897 00:52:59,370 --> 00:53:02,190 we've done this prior transaction before. And we've 898 00:53:02,190 --> 00:53:05,430 both calculated we've both shared the seed value. And so 899 00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:09,330 now I know that I can serve this enclosure to this particular 900 00:53:09,330 --> 00:53:13,830 podcast player. Because they know the seed. 901 00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,450 Mm hmm. Yeah. Go ahead. 902 00:53:19,020 --> 00:53:23,850 No. So then, when you if you were to move your feet 903 00:53:23,850 --> 00:53:27,090 subscriptions from one podcast player to another from one app 904 00:53:27,090 --> 00:53:31,770 to another, could export them out in opia opml. In an extra 905 00:53:31,770 --> 00:53:33,540 opml attribute could be in there with 906 00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:37,710 Wow, that's cool. To TPC. Wow. 907 00:53:37,740 --> 00:53:40,350 And you pick up all your subscriptions can move with you 908 00:53:40,350 --> 00:53:41,370 from app to app. 909 00:53:43,170 --> 00:53:46,830 Right and would but i think i think that if I'm understanding 910 00:53:46,830 --> 00:53:48,810 right it would be like a spec level change for all the 911 00:53:48,810 --> 00:53:52,200 podcasting apps would have to support this to TP 912 00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,170 they will do whatever we tell them 913 00:53:55,230 --> 00:54:03,690 we make use of that. Yeah. Perfect use of that. 914 00:54:05,010 --> 00:54:08,520 No kidding me? Yeah. What do you think I mean, like that, that 915 00:54:08,670 --> 00:54:13,530 these, that would, would work you just have like, that takes 916 00:54:13,530 --> 00:54:17,190 it that takes where you could have where I could say okay, I'm 917 00:54:17,190 --> 00:54:23,400 going to I'm going to pay I don't know 25,000 SATs as to 918 00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:28,830 subscribe to this to this show. And then as long as you as long 919 00:54:28,830 --> 00:54:34,500 as your app is paying the subscription your you continue 920 00:54:35,010 --> 00:54:37,470 like whenever you if you ever stop paying the subscription, 921 00:54:37,980 --> 00:54:41,820 your ODBC just gets it just get one 922 00:54:43,590 --> 00:54:49,200 Yeah, yeah, no, I think that I think that makes sense. I got to 923 00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,690 have to I think I'd have to like see it more on paper to figure 924 00:54:51,690 --> 00:54:54,240 out if like that, literally that scheme worse but I think 925 00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:58,020 generally speaking that makes a lot of sense to be able to, like 926 00:54:58,050 --> 00:55:01,380 you know, pay an invoice and get like this see that allows you 927 00:55:01,380 --> 00:55:04,560 to, you know, get access to the content, I think I think that 928 00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:08,190 makes a lot of sense. And so this would also this would be in 929 00:55:08,190 --> 00:55:11,340 addition to like the value for value of like, like the private 930 00:55:11,340 --> 00:55:14,640 premium content where you, you know, you pay to unlock it kind 931 00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:15,150 of thing. 932 00:55:15,569 --> 00:55:18,509 Yeah, there's some people that are just like there's they 933 00:55:18,599 --> 00:55:22,799 they're too scared of non stable income. And they want like this 934 00:55:22,799 --> 00:55:25,319 predict not not this subscriptions are stable, and 935 00:55:25,529 --> 00:55:28,439 they're just as unstable as everything else. But they like 936 00:55:28,439 --> 00:55:32,039 this sort of warm fuzzies of saying odd. I know that I'm 937 00:55:32,039 --> 00:55:35,339 going to get my money up front. And this is going to be our, you 938 00:55:35,339 --> 00:55:35,519 know, 939 00:55:36,329 --> 00:55:39,269 once they learn that their short selling themselves, they move 940 00:55:39,269 --> 00:55:42,869 over to value for value. But yeah, it's a good way to onboard 941 00:55:42,869 --> 00:55:44,909 and to compete with Patreon. 942 00:55:45,869 --> 00:55:51,899 Yeah, so then if you had if you subscribe with if you subscribe 943 00:55:51,899 --> 00:55:56,189 with this mechanism, then you could even say, when you when 944 00:55:56,189 --> 00:55:59,429 they generate the invoice to make the payment. You could even 945 00:55:59,429 --> 00:56:04,409 use the invoice hash itself as sort of the seed value for the 946 00:56:04,619 --> 00:56:05,219 OTP. 947 00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,330 Yeah, well, so have you heard of else that? 948 00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:13,200 Oh, yeah, we looked at that we looked at years ago. 949 00:56:14,220 --> 00:56:18,810 Yeah, but I've never honestly, I've never fully understood how 950 00:56:18,810 --> 00:56:20,460 to make it work. 951 00:56:21,270 --> 00:56:24,900 I kind of haven't either, honestly, like I haven't gotten 952 00:56:24,900 --> 00:56:27,150 into like the nitty gritty details of like, implement that 953 00:56:27,149 --> 00:56:28,109 makes me feel better about it. 954 00:56:28,650 --> 00:56:33,210 But I mean, there's, there's, there's way too much to learn. 955 00:56:33,450 --> 00:56:35,190 Even for me, there's just too much. But 956 00:56:35,190 --> 00:56:39,150 the the idea is it's an API that you can pay for on the fly, 957 00:56:39,150 --> 00:56:39,780 correct? 958 00:56:40,379 --> 00:56:43,589 Yeah, yeah. And it's like, essentially, your payment is 959 00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:46,469 like, is that unlock mechanism? It's like you're the payment is 960 00:56:46,469 --> 00:56:49,829 the API key? Yeah. So it's like it gives you you know, this, 961 00:56:49,949 --> 00:56:53,939 it's almost like a token, that is a payment that you can use to 962 00:56:53,939 --> 00:56:58,799 unlock the content behind the API. So I mean, I think that I 963 00:56:58,799 --> 00:57:02,249 think that your your ideas, right, and, you know, the, the 964 00:57:02,309 --> 00:57:04,859 lower level implementations, whether it's like an Elsa or 965 00:57:04,859 --> 00:57:09,449 just some other, you know, token thing makes a lot of sense. I 966 00:57:09,449 --> 00:57:12,599 mean, I think that that that's a great idea. 967 00:57:13,530 --> 00:57:15,780 That's exactly what I was wanting to hear you say, That's 968 00:57:15,780 --> 00:57:16,560 why this one? 969 00:57:19,410 --> 00:57:22,410 No, I mean, I, yeah, I think that that's, that's something 970 00:57:22,410 --> 00:57:25,920 that I talked with Tim LNP quite a bit about is just kind of the 971 00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:29,760 subscription piece, just generally speaking on lightning 972 00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:33,690 and just Bitcoin in general as well. And people say there's 973 00:57:33,690 --> 00:57:37,800 like things and bolt 12 that kind of make it happen, which is 974 00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,890 for those that aren't familiar, it's just a spec to the 975 00:57:40,890 --> 00:57:45,600 lightning network of like the protocol. And I mean, you know, 976 00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,220 maybe there's some things in there that we could leverage, 977 00:57:47,220 --> 00:57:50,100 but who knows when that's going to really be out and all of the 978 00:57:50,100 --> 00:57:53,010 things so I think that it's important to, you know, we don't 979 00:57:53,010 --> 00:57:56,040 we don't want to just wait for everything to be rolled out. So 980 00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,770 I think that it's important to figure out how this fits in 981 00:57:58,770 --> 00:57:59,190 today. 982 00:57:59,790 --> 00:58:03,660 Do you think l&d will adopt volt 12 because they seem a little on 983 00:58:03,660 --> 00:58:04,290 the fence about it? 984 00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,880 That's a good that's a great question. That's like a million 985 00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,550 dollar question. I think I think that they will I think that if 986 00:58:11,550 --> 00:58:15,300 it's like if if everything gets approved like kind of through 987 00:58:15,300 --> 00:58:19,320 the normal processes and it's like an official you know, 988 00:58:19,350 --> 00:58:23,010 released bolts that you know, especially if they have a lot of 989 00:58:23,010 --> 00:58:27,210 users requesting it I think that they will so I think it's a 990 00:58:27,210 --> 00:58:30,030 matter of time but you know, assuming depending on how things 991 00:58:30,030 --> 00:58:31,140 play out I think they will 992 00:58:32,130 --> 00:58:36,420 and did I hear Dave were you telling me that booster grams 993 00:58:36,420 --> 00:58:37,680 we're coming to Thunder hub 994 00:58:39,150 --> 00:58:43,200 that's what I that's what I'd heard and I think Roy mentioned 995 00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,410 that are y'all are y'all doing anything with with histograms or 996 00:58:46,410 --> 00:58:47,940 anything on on yells radar? 997 00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:52,230 No, okay, I'm not even super familiar with booster grams. So 998 00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:55,410 you guys are gonna have to give me an error lesson about that. 999 00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,740 Okay, so an added feature in the podcast apps, you know, the 1000 00:58:58,740 --> 00:59:02,160 boost where you can, you know, like a Super Chat you can send 1001 00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:07,170 1000 satoshis or any number you want in one go. So we've added 1002 00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:13,350 messaging to that, for which we've defined a TLV record 1003 00:59:14,730 --> 00:59:16,980 to V 7629169, 1004 00:59:17,100 --> 00:59:23,340 double o 2345789. That's my number. Yeah, so and so the 1005 00:59:23,340 --> 00:59:26,430 message carries along with it and the net effect the way I 1006 00:59:26,430 --> 00:59:30,090 received them, is that Dave has it rigged up so that it comes in 1007 00:59:30,090 --> 00:59:35,640 on email and so it tells me you know, what, the the alias of the 1008 00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,880 person who's sending it the amount, the podcast that we're 1009 00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:44,490 listening to which episode and the message timestamp? Yep, it's 1010 00:59:44,490 --> 00:59:49,140 very I mean, it's it's revolutionizing podcasting. This 1011 00:59:49,140 --> 00:59:52,950 feedback loop has never been there before. Yeah. And it Yeah. 1012 00:59:53,700 --> 00:59:56,730 Right along. It's kind of like a pay pal message only a million 1013 00:59:56,730 --> 00:59:57,510 times better. 1014 00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:01,320 Right right now that's awesome, Dave, how are you? You had Did 1015 01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:04,380 you implement that? Do you like listen to like the nodes, like 1016 01:00:04,410 --> 01:00:08,610 API's? And you know, you attack the TLV and do all that stuff. 1017 01:00:09,090 --> 01:00:13,560 Yeah, originally I was pulling everything muscle I was pulling 1018 01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:18,060 everything myself with with some scripts. And then john cigi 1019 01:00:18,060 --> 01:00:22,410 wrote a Python script that will do it through that'll, that'll 1020 01:00:22,410 --> 01:00:25,500 monitor it and push it out through as push notifications 1021 01:00:25,500 --> 01:00:30,570 through, push over. And then, but I've just now switched this 1022 01:00:30,570 --> 01:00:38,370 last week, Alex gates wrote a Python script that uses the the 1023 01:00:38,370 --> 01:00:44,640 CRI, I think it's create invoice stream API, the gRPC stream API 1024 01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,270 from l&d, so now you can get them in real time. So 1025 01:00:48,270 --> 01:00:51,540 essentially, it just opens a channel and opens a stream. And 1026 01:00:51,540 --> 01:00:56,010 then they just pop in in his script. Mike, literally, within 1027 01:00:56,040 --> 01:01:00,060 two seconds after sending a boot of booster Graham, it pops into 1028 01:01:00,060 --> 01:01:04,020 the stream, and his script outputs it to standard out. So 1029 01:01:04,020 --> 01:01:08,430 I'm just capturing that standard out in another script in and 1030 01:01:08,460 --> 01:01:11,670 triggering, you know, push notifications. And in that what 1031 01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:15,210 that will become in it's almost working. I've almost got it 1032 01:01:15,210 --> 01:01:20,550 working today is that will become the Super Chat for live. 1033 01:01:20,580 --> 01:01:24,630 Like you'll be able to get to a web page and see me be listening 1034 01:01:24,630 --> 01:01:27,840 to the show live. And then seeing the booster grams come in 1035 01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,990 and scroll through the screen. So it'll be like YouTube Super 1036 01:01:30,990 --> 01:01:31,350 Chat. 1037 01:01:32,250 --> 01:01:34,620 Yeah, if you're No, that's awesome. That's so cool. 1038 01:01:35,070 --> 01:01:41,550 He's so cool. So this is a value for value project, which means 1039 01:01:41,550 --> 01:01:46,650 that there's no creepy corporate money. There's no ads. That's 1040 01:01:46,650 --> 01:01:48,780 the only way it's gonna work. It's the only way everybody 1041 01:01:48,780 --> 01:01:51,390 stays honest. And you just heard a couple names there of people 1042 01:01:51,390 --> 01:01:54,120 who are putting a lot of time and talent into moving 1043 01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:59,880 podcasting even further. And we really love to thank our 1044 01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:04,620 producers who are supporting us with their cut butts cocked box 1045 01:02:04,620 --> 01:02:08,190 which you can go do at podcasts. index.org down at the bottom, 1046 01:02:08,190 --> 01:02:12,360 the red Donate button that is PayPal. And then of course we 1047 01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:17,190 have the boost system, the boost ecosystem, and some booster 1048 01:02:17,190 --> 01:02:19,680 grams and where do you want to start Dave? 1049 01:02:20,669 --> 01:02:22,529 You get you got time to hang around while we do some 1050 01:02:22,559 --> 01:02:26,789 histograms. Graham? Yeah, for sure. Okay. Well, we've got 1051 01:02:26,849 --> 01:02:29,549 we've got some, the only cut bucks we have this week other 1052 01:02:29,549 --> 01:02:33,629 than monthly donors. We got a single from let's see from 1053 01:02:33,629 --> 01:02:42,599 Gregory van mowlem. sent us $400 Whoa, through PayPal, Uh huh. he 1054 01:02:43,319 --> 01:02:46,949 emailed with him a little bit, and he said that he's going to 1055 01:02:46,949 --> 01:02:49,349 get more involved. He's going to he's a coder. And so he's going 1056 01:02:49,349 --> 01:02:52,259 to start helping with some code too. But he said, This is my, 1057 01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:54,569 this is my first contribution. So 1058 01:02:54,870 --> 01:02:57,930 Wow, thank you very much. I think we should call him 1059 01:02:57,930 --> 01:03:04,410 defragmented. Oh, yes. For sure. Thank you, man. That's great. 1060 01:03:05,100 --> 01:03:06,090 Yeah, he's 1061 01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:09,720 that's almost our entire server budget, or used to be. 1062 01:03:10,500 --> 01:03:12,930 I've got to build today. I can tell you what it was. What was 1063 01:03:12,930 --> 01:03:19,440 it? In the end? grandma's gonna laugh at this is hosting fee. It 1064 01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:24,870 was $467. 1065 01:03:24,959 --> 01:03:27,569 Wow, man, and that's 20 servers. 1066 01:03:28,740 --> 01:03:30,720 Yes, that is 20 servers. 1067 01:03:31,620 --> 01:03:33,270 Well done. Master Dave. 1068 01:03:33,479 --> 01:03:38,279 That is a chicken feed compared to Graham's hosting phase. Yeah. 1069 01:03:38,850 --> 01:03:42,150 Well, but he probably still has to deal with AWS. It's got a 1070 01:03:42,150 --> 01:03:46,200 backdoor deal with his old buddies there. Did you work with 1071 01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:48,240 us, weren't you? 1072 01:03:48,510 --> 01:03:50,850 I never know. I never worked there. I've worked you know, 1073 01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:52,740 with it through. Oh, 1074 01:03:52,740 --> 01:03:54,210 I thought I thought you work there. 1075 01:03:54,660 --> 01:04:02,160 Now. Okay. Okay, so I'm gonna go ahead and say that I'm a I'm a 1076 01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,830 huge fan of this competition that we've created. 1077 01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:08,580 What competition okay. 1078 01:04:10,020 --> 01:04:16,200 era statica. Sent 250,000 SATs. What is a booster gram? 1079 01:04:18,060 --> 01:04:25,080 Hold on a second Paolo shot Kala 20 Blaze. Oh man, Paula. baller 1080 01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:25,770 boost. 1081 01:04:26,010 --> 01:04:31,140 Total baller boost and it came through fountain app. And he 1082 01:04:31,140 --> 01:04:36,990 says, Hey drib booster gram max Challenge accepted. quarter 1083 01:04:36,990 --> 01:04:42,450 million dollar boost. Can I get a T shirt? So he said also I got 1084 01:04:42,450 --> 01:04:48,930 booster grams calm. I need ideas. Yeah, this is 100% 1085 01:04:48,930 --> 01:04:52,620 approve of this check of this petition. 1086 01:04:55,020 --> 01:04:57,750 I was wondering why our channels were flipping back and forth the 1087 01:04:57,750 --> 01:04:59,970 whole time with lm gay Mike. Wow. It went through 1088 01:05:02,370 --> 01:05:05,760 Thank you aerostatic yeah I understand to get the create the 1089 01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:07,620 inventor of the term booster Graham That's right. 1090 01:05:07,650 --> 01:05:10,470 And he's got the domain name to prove it. And and it's written 1091 01:05:10,470 --> 01:05:13,590 in the show notes we've codified that he's got papers. 1092 01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:21,030 Yes. See, Auburn Citadel sent us 49,000 SATs and he says our 1093 01:05:21,030 --> 01:05:23,910 Citadel checking in on the board meeting this boost brings me 1094 01:05:23,910 --> 01:05:27,840 well over 200,000 SATs I'll be hitting you up for t shirts soon 1095 01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:31,650 hopefully no supply chain issues oh no no 1096 01:05:31,650 --> 01:05:33,780 we don't want it only that we don't 1097 01:05:33,780 --> 01:05:37,140 want t shirt supply chain issue definitely thank you think you 1098 01:05:37,140 --> 01:05:42,930 over Citadel appreciate that. Okay, okay, now this is a string 1099 01:05:42,930 --> 01:05:48,300 of booster grams from kyron I'm sorry No, we started out with 1100 01:05:49,140 --> 01:05:53,370 Daniel I'm sorry. Daniel says he went through breeze and he says 1101 01:05:53,370 --> 01:05:58,290 50,000 SATs it's it's baller boost day it is you guys are 1102 01:05:58,290 --> 01:06:05,100 great. This is this is to build Prague boosts are on lightning 1103 01:06:05,100 --> 01:06:08,760 network there's no block delay at all. Daniel okay also approve 1104 01:06:08,970 --> 01:06:11,730 fully approve of this too but just people correcting other 1105 01:06:11,730 --> 01:06:13,560 people through boost your grams. I like this. 1106 01:06:13,980 --> 01:06:17,100 Very, very, very, very good trend. 1107 01:06:17,460 --> 01:06:24,960 Yes, yes. I like this. Okay, now Karen sent us see he sent us a 1108 01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:34,620 string of booster grams. And oh, here it is. Okay. That's three 1109 01:06:34,620 --> 01:06:40,140 that's three or 444 I'm out of out of order here. Okay, I'm 1110 01:06:40,140 --> 01:06:42,600 gonna sit and I'm just going to read them in Okay, where do they 1111 01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:46,440 come up? He says 25,000 SATs through the fountain app. And he 1112 01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:49,770 says any update on the new website I've noticed the apps 1113 01:06:49,770 --> 01:06:51,810 page is a tad out of date. Oh, well. 1114 01:06:53,220 --> 01:06:58,950 Yeah. Make Deb's make sure that you have your your app features 1115 01:06:58,980 --> 01:07:02,280 updated on the on the apps page everyone's that's what we're 1116 01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:06,120 promoting new podcast apps calm so you want all your features 1117 01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:08,220 represented you can just do it with a pull request. 1118 01:07:09,209 --> 01:07:13,079 And he says found he says fountain for example has now has 1119 01:07:13,079 --> 01:07:16,559 chapters and I'm keen to see how you're going to display the 959 1120 01:07:16,559 --> 01:07:20,969 things that 2.0 is and yeah, that's been updated so that pull 1121 01:07:20,969 --> 01:07:23,759 request I have just had to put it in production so fountains up 1122 01:07:23,759 --> 01:07:29,009 to date now. Yeah, the the new website. still working on it. 1123 01:07:29,009 --> 01:07:29,909 websites are hard. 1124 01:07:30,630 --> 01:07:36,570 Yeah, will probably be a lot of focus on the the podcast or 1125 01:07:36,570 --> 01:07:39,360 wallet stuff. Right. Once you get to it. Are you getting 1126 01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:40,680 pretty close? I think. 1127 01:07:41,190 --> 01:07:47,820 Yeah, I've got API stuff to fix and then we'll go into that. The 1128 01:07:48,330 --> 01:07:52,050 Okay, here's four out of voices, a low boost and off my top end 1129 01:07:52,050 --> 01:07:56,340 booster gram shopping spree my good sir. skyrun levels. 1130 01:07:57,210 --> 01:08:01,770 And now, as the French say, it is time for low boost. 1131 01:08:03,270 --> 01:08:05,940 Don't you wish you had a podcast gram so that people could just 1132 01:08:05,940 --> 01:08:07,860 randomly send you sass with messages? And 1133 01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:12,120 yeah, I know I do. I'm getting jealous over here. Well, you 1134 01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:14,490 just get boring emails with no sets. 1135 01:08:15,540 --> 01:08:18,030 We'll be happy to discuss with you just putting you into our 1136 01:08:18,030 --> 01:08:22,260 value splits for 5%. So we don't have to pay any fees. You just 1137 01:08:22,260 --> 01:08:26,370 take a cut like everybody else get right. Yeah, maybe we could 1138 01:08:26,370 --> 01:08:31,020 do that. Maybe telling you man in the future? Yes, I 1139 01:08:31,019 --> 01:08:31,709 completely agree. 1140 01:08:32,339 --> 01:08:38,189 era statica cenis. Against and is 2376 cents. He says, I have a 1141 01:08:38,189 --> 01:08:40,259 request. Is there any possibility that I could be the 1142 01:08:40,259 --> 01:08:43,169 first person to do a booster gram and a new Live Super Chat? 1143 01:08:46,199 --> 01:08:48,809 Is it just first come first serve, isn't it? 1144 01:08:49,230 --> 01:08:52,380 I mean, I'll give him a little heads up, I guess how 1145 01:08:52,379 --> 01:08:56,819 close are we to, to doing that, because I missed the dev 1146 01:08:56,819 --> 01:08:59,969 meeting. I don't know I and I don't know if Brian put it up 1147 01:08:59,969 --> 01:09:00,299 yet. 1148 01:09:01,199 --> 01:09:04,769 I haven't seen him post it yet. But I mean, we're the only we're 1149 01:09:04,769 --> 01:09:10,139 not far, the only thing we have to do is just bake in some. Some 1150 01:09:10,139 --> 01:09:14,639 tag we got somebody got to bake in the tag support. And then we 1151 01:09:14,639 --> 01:09:19,529 have to put in the action. You have parameter in piping so that 1152 01:09:19,529 --> 01:09:22,709 we can trigger so what we're talking about Graham is where 1153 01:09:22,769 --> 01:09:26,069 it's part of the podcasting namespace. We're gonna have a 1154 01:09:26,399 --> 01:09:29,819 tag in there called called Live item. And it's just it'll just 1155 01:09:29,819 --> 01:09:34,619 be is meant to just reference a stream like a live stream HTTP 1156 01:09:34,619 --> 01:09:39,029 string. So then you put in a live item in the RSS feed. And 1157 01:09:39,029 --> 01:09:42,539 when when apps see that there will be in the item there will 1158 01:09:42,539 --> 01:09:45,389 be a start time on it that says you know, like whatever, you 1159 01:09:45,389 --> 01:09:48,419 know, this is the time that this stream is going to go live. But 1160 01:09:48,419 --> 01:09:51,569 then we will send out a push notification through the pod 1161 01:09:51,569 --> 01:09:56,249 ping system which uses the hive blockchain when the actual 1162 01:09:56,249 --> 01:09:56,699 strength of 1163 01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,970 the golf ball falls down the dominoes step 1164 01:10:01,350 --> 01:10:02,490 In the chickens walks 1165 01:10:04,710 --> 01:10:07,230 into the spoon the spoon flips over yes 1166 01:10:07,260 --> 01:10:10,290 yeah yeah they pours out a pitcher of water and the stove 1167 01:10:10,290 --> 01:10:15,240 turns on Yeah, exactly. The sends out sends out that thing 1168 01:10:15,270 --> 01:10:19,170 then the app knows okay hit the live stream now and then that's 1169 01:10:19,170 --> 01:10:21,960 when it'll that's when you can tune into the live stream then 1170 01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:25,680 the Super Chat starts and the pot and the booster grams start 1171 01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:32,790 flowing okay it's perfect Okay, sure I got I got the 1172 01:10:32,790 --> 01:10:34,380 chicken egg part of it 1173 01:10:39,090 --> 01:10:42,690 see aerostatic as soon as another 2376 acid he just says 1174 01:10:43,230 --> 01:10:46,200 booster gram no that's what that was it 1175 01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:49,410 was a but we're gonna be the first show to do the live right 1176 01:10:49,500 --> 01:10:52,140 we're gonna yeah we got to do that right here man Friday 1177 01:10:52,140 --> 01:10:53,550 afternoon it'll be be fun 1178 01:10:54,090 --> 01:10:57,150 now yeah we bake this stuff in house we yeah we eat our 1179 01:10:57,150 --> 01:11:00,300 own dog food and by the way Steven beast still my man number 1180 01:11:00,300 --> 01:11:06,150 one in my workflow has been significantly shortened in time. 1181 01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:12,300 Ease of use top notch brother top notch the RSS generator in 1182 01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:15,660 in Curio Kassar 1183 01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:19,020 I'm sorry we need grants no we need grams node so we can put it 1184 01:11:19,020 --> 01:11:19,650 into our split 1185 01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:23,310 Oh yeah. Dude keep with that on the signal so we'll we'll give 1186 01:11:23,310 --> 01:11:25,950 you a guess split so in perpetuity you'll receive SATs 1187 01:11:25,950 --> 01:11:29,160 when enter whenever someone listens to this episode. Hell 1188 01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:32,640 yeah. Yeah, free free money free money. Yeah, I 1189 01:11:34,079 --> 01:11:41,009 see. Anonymous through breeze it says listening to 717 176 SATs I 1190 01:11:42,179 --> 01:11:46,499 love that 1776 says listening to you makes me happy and hopeful 1191 01:11:46,799 --> 01:11:49,469 glad we're standing shoulder to shoulder for liberty. 1192 01:11:50,070 --> 01:11:51,930 Oh that's a good You bet. 1193 01:11:52,260 --> 01:11:52,740 Yeah 1194 01:11:54,540 --> 01:11:57,600 we do have some we did get some hate those 1195 01:11:57,630 --> 01:11:59,370 that oh no hate boosts 1196 01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,250 Yeah, we got we get to hate 1197 01:12:02,790 --> 01:12:06,180 let's just let's just target that to you by the way let's 1198 01:12:06,180 --> 01:12:08,790 just stop for a second and recognize the beauty of this 1199 01:12:08,790 --> 01:12:15,960 situation. People are sending money to send their hate this is 1200 01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:19,890 yes great system alright. Wait What did I do wrong? Why am I 1201 01:12:19,890 --> 01:12:20,640 being hated? 1202 01:12:21,659 --> 01:12:26,399 Okay, so anonymous through breeze sent 3333 sets and he 1203 01:12:26,399 --> 01:12:30,299 says you're the cringe one curry looking down your nose at TIPS 1204 01:12:30,329 --> 01:12:31,289 grow the fuck up 1205 01:12:31,770 --> 01:12:35,880 bombshell. Looking down my nose it dips 1206 01:12:36,420 --> 01:12:40,050 and and another one anonymous 3033 1207 01:12:40,290 --> 01:12:41,700 sounds like the same person. 1208 01:12:42,810 --> 01:12:46,020 He says through breeze again. Some of us work for tips by 1209 01:12:46,020 --> 01:12:48,870 choice and make great money doing it Get over yourself 1210 01:12:51,540 --> 01:12:52,230 I'm sorry 1211 01:12:53,460 --> 01:12:55,320 I don't know I don't know. I mean like this guy's really 1212 01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:59,460 angry and not not sure why but he paid us 6666 cents 1213 01:12:59,489 --> 01:13:01,859 no Yeah, no, that's that's the dead there is it? 1214 01:13:01,980 --> 01:13:04,650 Thank you for that. I recognize your poster. 1215 01:13:09,119 --> 01:13:12,029 Okay, Beelzebub has taken over 1216 01:13:13,050 --> 01:13:16,020 bill products and his 500 SAS and he says you were talking 1217 01:13:16,020 --> 01:13:18,840 about live shows and live donations with comments and how 1218 01:13:19,230 --> 01:13:22,620 would they work with boosts so I was just throwing ideas out 1219 01:13:22,620 --> 01:13:25,440 there oh he's responding to what was something we said Ross says 1220 01:13:25,620 --> 01:13:29,640 Can I get a half power I don't know if we have a half hour we 1221 01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:37,740 don't have a high power I can do this let me see I didn't have 1222 01:13:37,740 --> 01:13:38,430 that setup. 1223 01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:43,560 Let's Beelzebub voice right I've high power 1224 01:13:44,790 --> 01:13:52,500 high power Okay, 1225 01:13:52,650 --> 01:13:56,850 there you go. I do you want to start a podcast just for this 1226 01:13:56,850 --> 01:13:59,400 fun you guys have voices and 1227 01:14:00,690 --> 01:14:03,690 it gets old said this always happens with new gear Believe me 1228 01:14:03,690 --> 01:14:09,360 gets old like stop with the devil voice curry. Stop looking 1229 01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:10,560 down your nose at tips. 1230 01:14:11,100 --> 01:14:16,380 Yeah, yeah, grow the fuck up. Bill. Bill finishes off by 1231 01:14:16,380 --> 01:14:18,930 saying go podcasting especially the 2.01 1232 01:14:19,380 --> 01:14:20,100 podcast. 1233 01:14:23,909 --> 01:14:28,379 We'll get here okay. 13 133 sets and these. This is from hard hat 1234 01:14:28,619 --> 01:14:32,669 through Curio caster and he says pal have the pod. This pod pack. 1235 01:14:33,089 --> 01:14:39,689 I love the pod. Yeah. Paul Saltzman gave us 12 120 sets and 1236 01:14:39,689 --> 01:14:42,719 he says adding to my monthly cookbook support because I love 1237 01:14:42,719 --> 01:14:43,919 playing with all this stuff. 1238 01:14:43,949 --> 01:14:45,929 Oh man. Thank you, Paul. Thanks for that. 1239 01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:52,800 And the last loser gram is 100 SATs from anonymous on breeze 1240 01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:54,540 and he just says Nice job boys. 1241 01:14:54,780 --> 01:15:00,690 Thank you and then our our monthly our monthly fees Get 1242 01:15:00,690 --> 01:15:03,690 some monthly so here we go. This is really sustaining. Thank you 1243 01:15:03,690 --> 01:15:07,830 so much. I can see a lot of people transitioning from PayPal 1244 01:15:07,830 --> 01:15:12,570 to the booster Graham's really encouraging these sustaining 1245 01:15:13,140 --> 01:15:15,960 ongoing subscriptions are very much appreciated. 1246 01:15:16,379 --> 01:15:18,929 Yeah, every one of these represents servers that we don't 1247 01:15:18,929 --> 01:15:22,529 have to pay for and it's fantastic. droid works gave us 1248 01:15:22,529 --> 01:15:30,089 $20 Jeff Miller gave us $20 See, Dred Scott gave us $15 Thank 1249 01:15:30,089 --> 01:15:38,339 you. Scott Jalbert give us $12 Aaron Renaud $5 Pedro Goncalves, 1250 01:15:38,339 --> 01:15:47,009 $5 Michael kimmerer $5.33 Terry Keller gives 411 411 and Leslie 1251 01:15:47,009 --> 01:15:49,889 Martin gave us $2 thank you guys appreciate that's 1252 01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,770 very very much appreciated value for value bring it with your 1253 01:15:52,770 --> 01:15:56,520 time your talent your treasure. We still accept COC bucks but we 1254 01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:59,880 do prefer the booster grams anytime you feel like boost 1255 01:16:00,090 --> 01:16:04,110 bring it on with a podcast app a new one try one today new 1256 01:16:04,110 --> 01:16:05,460 podcast apps calm 1257 01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:07,020 Yeah, 1258 01:16:07,230 --> 01:16:14,580 Graham what what are some of the just most interesting uses of 1259 01:16:14,580 --> 01:16:17,310 lightning that you've been exposed to? Because I'm sure you 1260 01:16:17,310 --> 01:16:20,280 know, we're pretty hyper focused on stuff. What are the things 1261 01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:24,810 that you think are interesting just from maybe a technological 1262 01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:27,690 perspective or maybe use case 1263 01:16:29,130 --> 01:16:33,690 Yeah, I mean I think I think you guys are definitely on the I 1264 01:16:33,690 --> 01:16:34,980 think the front runners oh 1265 01:16:34,980 --> 01:16:35,820 yes it worked 1266 01:16:37,650 --> 01:16:41,610 Yeah, I mean that is the subtitle of the show. 1267 01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:48,990 Now I mean seriously like it is a it's always like my kind of my 1268 01:16:48,990 --> 01:16:52,710 go to example of what is possible with lightning and it's 1269 01:16:52,710 --> 01:16:56,010 really just the the value for value concepts whether it's 1270 01:16:56,010 --> 01:16:59,490 podcasting or video whatever it is the value for value concept I 1271 01:16:59,490 --> 01:17:03,690 think is very very powerful and is a great example of what's 1272 01:17:03,690 --> 01:17:08,040 possible with lightning and just being able to send you know send 1273 01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:10,650 money to anyone in the world peer to peer you know directly 1274 01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:15,420 in especially like inside of these applications i think is 1275 01:17:15,420 --> 01:17:20,010 just I think that that is just absolutely fascinating I love 1276 01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:23,430 what you guys have built out you know as just being kind of the 1277 01:17:23,430 --> 01:17:28,590 front runners in that so I mean I just I, I always go to 1278 01:17:28,620 --> 01:17:33,570 podcasting and value for value in my examples. So many I think 1279 01:17:33,570 --> 01:17:36,750 you guys are like, you know, one of the most interesting use 1280 01:17:36,750 --> 01:17:39,540 cases same with like Spanx and all these things, which is kind 1281 01:17:39,540 --> 01:17:41,970 of like it still goes down almost to that value for value, 1282 01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:44,400 you know, thing at the base of it. 1283 01:17:45,329 --> 01:17:48,869 I've seen that impervious day. They're doing some crazy 1284 01:17:48,869 --> 01:17:51,359 experiments. Have you seen their stuff? Yeah, 1285 01:17:51,390 --> 01:17:54,000 yeah, definitely the impervious is a very, very interesting 1286 01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:57,630 project. And I like a what a lot of the things that are being 1287 01:17:57,660 --> 01:18:01,050 developed on it, like they did a hackathon. And what is this just 1288 01:18:01,650 --> 01:18:06,420 it's it's called impervious AI is their website and it's a it's 1289 01:18:06,420 --> 01:18:09,630 almost like a layer three technology or it's a software 1290 01:18:09,630 --> 01:18:14,550 that you can use to incorporate lightning into applications so 1291 01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:19,530 people they had a hackathon here recently and people created like 1292 01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:23,550 a voice service where you would make phone calls and pay you 1293 01:18:23,550 --> 01:18:26,850 know for per minute or whatever with lightning, things like 1294 01:18:26,850 --> 01:18:30,450 that. So it makes it I think it's I think it's honestly like 1295 01:18:30,450 --> 01:18:34,050 a tool to bring value for value into these auxilary you know, 1296 01:18:34,050 --> 01:18:36,810 different use uses outside of you know, things like 1297 01:18:36,810 --> 01:18:37,440 podcasting. 1298 01:18:38,310 --> 01:18:39,090 Interesting. 1299 01:18:39,480 --> 01:18:42,510 Yeah, it's pretty interesting. I'm not sure some of this stuff 1300 01:18:42,510 --> 01:18:45,840 sound seems kind of limited because you end up having like, 1301 01:18:46,410 --> 01:18:50,010 if you're going to run a VPN over over lightning payloads, I 1302 01:18:50,010 --> 01:18:54,600 mean, that's sounds a little sort of walking a tightrope, but 1303 01:18:54,690 --> 01:18:59,370 yeah, yes. And I think some of it is there like you know, for 1304 01:18:59,370 --> 01:19:04,710 that example, I think that the the the spec of it is that the 1305 01:19:04,710 --> 01:19:07,020 VPN connection is using not using the lightning network 1306 01:19:07,020 --> 01:19:09,630 natively. It's still like a separate application there's 1307 01:19:09,630 --> 01:19:13,590 still peer to peer but it ties in with the lightning network to 1308 01:19:13,590 --> 01:19:16,740 where you're paying per minute but literally the packets on the 1309 01:19:16,740 --> 01:19:19,770 VPN aren't traveling in like TLV records 1310 01:19:20,310 --> 01:19:23,070 Okay, so I guess that that confused me because I know they 1311 01:19:23,070 --> 01:19:26,340 did that thing where they split up the mp3 split up an mp3 into 1312 01:19:26,340 --> 01:19:30,750 all these separate ports as an AMP payment and reassembled it 1313 01:19:30,750 --> 01:19:31,650 and played it back on 1314 01:19:32,699 --> 01:19:37,019 Yeah, yeah. And I think Yeah, I think that's maybe pushing it a 1315 01:19:37,019 --> 01:19:41,579 little bit on should be using this for but I mean, I think 1316 01:19:41,579 --> 01:19:45,719 that I think that the way that you guys are you know, doing 1317 01:19:45,749 --> 01:19:48,539 like I think like incorporating boosts and all these things and 1318 01:19:48,539 --> 01:19:51,149 you know, in the payload is, you know, makes perfect sense of, 1319 01:19:51,179 --> 01:19:53,819 you know, tie tying the payment to something. 1320 01:19:54,449 --> 01:19:57,029 So they're really billing themselves as layer three. 1321 01:19:57,299 --> 01:20:00,929 That's interesting. Yes, yes, sir. convincing digital 1322 01:20:00,929 --> 01:20:04,469 intermediaries in establishing p2p data transmissions is a 1323 01:20:04,469 --> 01:20:08,009 panacea for consumer privacy, data security, censorship, 1324 01:20:08,009 --> 01:20:12,179 resistance and countering surveillance. We'll need to hire 1325 01:20:12,179 --> 01:20:12,449 you 1326 01:20:12,989 --> 01:20:14,069 Yeah, 1327 01:20:14,189 --> 01:20:18,029 I need an exit strategy and you know this podcasting gig man is 1328 01:20:18,029 --> 01:20:18,539 killing me. 1329 01:20:19,199 --> 01:20:20,369 Yeah, he's the voice 1330 01:20:22,949 --> 01:20:28,439 man. This is uh, you know, it's it's pretty nerdy episode this 1331 01:20:28,859 --> 01:20:32,969 it was very nerdy but I know that a lot of people are so 1332 01:20:32,969 --> 01:20:38,249 interested in just the whole How does it work? What's it doing? 1333 01:20:38,249 --> 01:20:40,859 Where's it going? And you're really leaving a lot of that 1334 01:20:40,859 --> 01:20:43,409 gray it's really it's really phenomenal your great asset to 1335 01:20:43,409 --> 01:20:44,099 all of this 1336 01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:47,010 well I mean I appreciate that and I think that it is i mean 1337 01:20:47,010 --> 01:20:50,700 it's it's I'm a nerd at heart It's hard for me not to not to 1338 01:20:50,700 --> 01:20:53,160 get nerdy on a lot of this stuff especially when we're talking 1339 01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:57,090 about lightning network but just you know, for anyone out there 1340 01:20:57,090 --> 01:21:00,240 listening that's interested in this I mean, hit us up and we 1341 01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:02,550 have like a good support team that understands a lot of this 1342 01:21:02,580 --> 01:21:06,930 even from you know, not so technical so you need any help 1343 01:21:06,930 --> 01:21:09,750 at all like you know, our team is certainly willing to help 1344 01:21:09,750 --> 01:21:13,020 explain things or you know, get you on boarded however, however 1345 01:21:13,020 --> 01:21:17,490 you want to do that, so I apologize for being maybe a 1346 01:21:17,490 --> 01:21:19,080 little too nerdy on the episode but 1347 01:21:20,579 --> 01:21:21,809 I blame that on Dave 1348 01:21:22,110 --> 01:21:25,140 Yeah, take it I'll take it bring it now 1349 01:21:25,140 --> 01:21:27,810 but I mean, like so there's like there's there's a lot there's a 1350 01:21:27,810 --> 01:21:30,990 lot a lot here and it is hard to grasp but I mean, there's I 1351 01:21:30,990 --> 01:21:34,470 mean, just getting your toes wet one step at a time is the way to 1352 01:21:34,470 --> 01:21:37,410 do it. You know, we're as a service is happy to help you and 1353 01:21:37,440 --> 01:21:39,420 you know, whatever stage of the journey you're in. 1354 01:21:40,230 --> 01:21:43,350 I like that they see that you didn't mean it this way but us 1355 01:21:43,350 --> 01:21:48,120 as a service. that's a that's a great name for a product as you 1356 01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:51,750 know, you as this will be an ademar 1357 01:21:52,409 --> 01:21:56,309 totally us as a service. Dave Yeah, anything else we need to 1358 01:21:56,309 --> 01:21:59,129 discuss before we close up the meeting? 1359 01:21:59,820 --> 01:22:03,360 Now I think this was a this was sort of a Bitcoin II techie type 1360 01:22:03,450 --> 01:22:07,800 episode we'll be back to podcast or more podcasts focus episode 1361 01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:09,870 next week. We're having Brian London. Oh, 1362 01:22:10,019 --> 01:22:12,809 oh, my goodness. That's Well, well, you know what's gonna 1363 01:22:12,809 --> 01:22:14,669 happen? He's gonna bring the highest power. 1364 01:22:15,060 --> 01:22:16,800 Now. Yeah, now he's got the jingle to prove it. 1365 01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:20,520 Grant man, thank you so much for everything you're doing. And 1366 01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:23,700 thanks for joining us here at the board meeting for today. 1367 01:22:24,419 --> 01:22:26,609 Yeah, I mean, thanks, guys. Thanks to both of you. I mean, 1368 01:22:26,609 --> 01:22:29,639 you've you guys are like I said, the front runners and push and 1369 01:22:29,639 --> 01:22:32,699 lightning and all this stuff, which I i got i gotta commend 1370 01:22:32,699 --> 01:22:35,369 you both. I don't think we've had time to talk about your 1371 01:22:35,369 --> 01:22:38,039 guys's Bitcoin journey or anything like that. But I think 1372 01:22:38,429 --> 01:22:40,889 for you guys to come from, you know, your experience and what 1373 01:22:40,889 --> 01:22:45,359 you're doing seeing Bitcoin as a solution to a lot of these 1374 01:22:45,359 --> 01:22:49,379 things is I think that's, that's awesome. I think like, I'll 1375 01:22:49,379 --> 01:22:52,049 refer just a brief second, but I think that you guys could have 1376 01:22:52,079 --> 01:22:56,189 taken this and created podcast token and done a bunch of crazy 1377 01:22:56,189 --> 01:22:59,039 shit with it. That would have been honestly pretty bad, but I 1378 01:22:59,069 --> 01:23:02,909 commend you for doing it the way that you're doing it and, and, 1379 01:23:02,969 --> 01:23:06,329 and looking out for, you know, these content creators, you 1380 01:23:06,329 --> 01:23:10,109 know, in an honest and sincere way, so I mean, thank you guys. 1381 01:23:10,770 --> 01:23:13,230 Well, it's it's a pleasure. We're just having a good time, 1382 01:23:13,230 --> 01:23:13,770 right, Dave? 1383 01:23:14,190 --> 01:23:16,230 Yeah, yeah. If it wasn't fun, we wouldn't be doing it. I can 1384 01:23:16,230 --> 01:23:17,070 promise Yes. 1385 01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:21,360 Like, Alright kids, go figure the podcasting yourself. Dammit. 1386 01:23:21,390 --> 01:23:25,260 We're not having everybody else here in the boardroom. Thank you 1387 01:23:25,260 --> 01:23:28,080 very much for joining us. We'll be back next Friday with another 1388 01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:32,370 edition of the board meeting for podcasting. 2.0 Until then, take 1389 01:23:32,370 --> 01:23:32,790 it easy. 1390 01:23:49,650 --> 01:23:54,240 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 visit podcast 1391 01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:57,000 index.org for more information. 1392 01:23:59,850 --> 01:24:01,290 bousso podcast