1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:05,880 podcasting 2.0 for September 10 2021, Episode Number 53 were 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:11,760 fully tagged and noted. That's for the day. Hello everybody, 3 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,870 it's Friday once again time for the board meaning of podcasting. 4 00:00:15,870 --> 00:00:20,700 2.0 everything happening at podcast index.org all about the 5 00:00:20,700 --> 00:00:23,790 namespace and of course, the gossip and the chatter from 6 00:00:23,790 --> 00:00:27,930 podcasts in text on social. I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of 7 00:00:27,930 --> 00:00:31,320 Hill Country, Texas and Alabama, the man whose lightning channels 8 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,170 are always balanced my friend on the other end, ladies and 9 00:00:34,170 --> 00:00:36,270 gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones 10 00:00:38,340 --> 00:00:42,030 you're gonna have to bring back remember the podcast license? 11 00:00:43,050 --> 00:00:44,040 podcast or license? 12 00:00:44,039 --> 00:00:48,569 Yeah, podcast license calm. Yes, I recall. I recall. I think it 13 00:00:48,569 --> 00:00:49,949 let me see if it still exists. 14 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,090 I'm gonna bring that back. mean, we're regulate we got to 15 00:00:54,090 --> 00:00:55,110 regulate podcast. 16 00:00:56,549 --> 00:01:02,249 Ah, okay. We're going there. Are we? Yes. podcast licensed calm. 17 00:01:02,249 --> 00:01:07,739 Okay. Yeah, it sounds like it is there's you know, this, this 18 00:01:07,739 --> 00:01:12,269 little thing that that was created 20 years ago really 19 00:01:12,269 --> 00:01:16,229 probably a little bit longer than that RSS. I'm thinking it's 20 00:01:16,289 --> 00:01:20,249 it's very analogous to Bitcoin It was designed to be attacked. 21 00:01:20,429 --> 00:01:22,529 And like honey badger don't give a shit. 22 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:29,280 Is that is that the the masthead on podcast licensed calm? 23 00:01:29,310 --> 00:01:31,560 Yes. Yeah. Honey Badger don't give a shit. 24 00:01:33,930 --> 00:01:38,160 It's so much more appropriate for for this show. than it was 25 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:42,000 for no agenda. Because we got. I mean, we are the podcasting 2.0 26 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,590 show. We can give out we give out licenses. You know, we can't 27 00:01:46,590 --> 00:01:47,820 give the slightest donation? Well, 28 00:01:48,750 --> 00:01:53,430 the thing is, I'm afraid I have a feeling that podcasts licensed 29 00:01:53,460 --> 00:01:58,800 calm that I don't own it. Oh, really? I don't think so. Let me 30 00:01:59,670 --> 00:02:03,000 know. Is that a producer thing? Yeah. And I think the foreword 31 00:02:03,030 --> 00:02:06,420 may have stopped. Let me see who is podcast licensed calm. Let me 32 00:02:06,420 --> 00:02:07,560 see if I can find it. 33 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,290 Was it $33 to get a podcast? Was that what 34 00:02:10,290 --> 00:02:16,440 Yeah. Or was 1111 or something like that? podcast licensed 35 00:02:16,470 --> 00:02:20,310 calm. I was out. Private. 36 00:02:20,730 --> 00:02:24,060 I mean, this was, what, 10 years ago? At least Yeah, 37 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,610 let me just check. Because if I have it, 38 00:02:27,150 --> 00:02:30,330 the whole idea is I mean, you're you you can issue podcast 39 00:02:30,330 --> 00:02:32,820 licenses because you are the creator of podcasting. 40 00:02:32,820 --> 00:02:35,820 Yes, I have this I have this power. Yes, obviously. 41 00:02:36,180 --> 00:02:37,350 Yeah. No, 42 00:02:37,350 --> 00:02:40,230 I like I gotta find out who has it. I gotta find who has it and 43 00:02:40,230 --> 00:02:43,200 see because it seems like it's not working anymore. Oh, wait, 44 00:02:43,260 --> 00:02:47,130 podcast licensed calm. Is this? Do I own it? 45 00:02:47,850 --> 00:02:50,100 You did all that through the world outline? 46 00:02:50,699 --> 00:02:55,349 Yeah, yes. That's, that's why it no longer works. Hey, guess 47 00:02:55,349 --> 00:02:56,429 what? I do own it. 48 00:02:57,300 --> 00:02:57,750 Oh, 49 00:02:57,750 --> 00:03:02,400 this is good news. Okay, yeah. All right. All right. Hey, let's 50 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,640 do something with that. Let's, let's issue licenses. Why would 51 00:03:05,640 --> 00:03:07,470 we want to issue licenses, Dave? 52 00:03:08,610 --> 00:03:11,400 Because the podcast infrastructure is a rogue 53 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:18,120 entity. It is going off the rails with with misinformation 54 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,930 and needs to be stopped. needs to be stopped. Ridiculous. 55 00:03:22,020 --> 00:03:23,430 Would you like to elaborate? 56 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:30,570 Oh, yeah. Specifically, where's my? Did you bring clips? Oh, 57 00:03:30,570 --> 00:03:33,780 man, I don't I didn't bring clips necessarily. But I can 58 00:03:33,780 --> 00:03:36,180 make these clips be anything we need them to be? 59 00:03:36,419 --> 00:03:39,449 Okay. You just have a bundle of clips that you carry around your 60 00:03:39,449 --> 00:03:41,639 knapsack whenever you need to do a podcast. 61 00:03:41,940 --> 00:03:45,210 Yeah, they're like clay eggs and won't mold them into whatever. 62 00:03:45,660 --> 00:03:49,770 Now you know, the exact secret of the no agenda show is a bunch 63 00:03:49,770 --> 00:03:52,740 of clips and mold them into a product. Yes. 64 00:03:53,190 --> 00:03:55,410 Oh, are we talking misinformation in podcasting? 65 00:03:55,650 --> 00:03:57,420 Play? I saw more lies. 66 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:03,930 Oh my goodness. Okay. More lies on our TV. Yes, it was a pretty 67 00:04:03,930 --> 00:04:06,720 good one. Guess more lies on our TV? Yes. Yes. Yeah. 68 00:04:06,750 --> 00:04:11,670 Okay. But that is not a perfect mold. But if it's no, this is 69 00:04:11,670 --> 00:04:15,630 talking about that the article or I guess blog post or I don't 70 00:04:15,630 --> 00:04:18,690 know what do you want to call it research project from the lady 71 00:04:18,690 --> 00:04:22,170 to Brookings Institution? Oh, yes. This 72 00:04:22,170 --> 00:04:23,550 was very interesting paper. 73 00:04:24,660 --> 00:04:29,010 Yeah, this the challenge of detecting misinformation in 74 00:04:29,010 --> 00:04:33,960 podcasting. And I guess the first I got a lot to say about 75 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,320 this. But the first thing that kind of stood out to me about 76 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:42,720 this article and i want i want to as a as a licensed Lin 77 00:04:42,840 --> 00:04:49,050 linguistic analysis. What would you be you in NLP as a licensed 78 00:04:49,050 --> 00:04:55,440 NLP investigator? I would like to get your, your take on 79 00:04:56,100 --> 00:05:00,990 instead of using misinformation. She uses the term Potentially 80 00:05:00,990 --> 00:05:02,460 thoughts information. 81 00:05:02,580 --> 00:05:04,410 Oh, potentially false information? 82 00:05:04,890 --> 00:05:07,590 Yes. Which to me is all information? 83 00:05:09,090 --> 00:05:13,170 Yeah. Because even the truth can be your lying eyes. Right? Yeah. 84 00:05:13,260 --> 00:05:15,390 blue dress white dress. Yeah. I 85 00:05:15,390 --> 00:05:18,270 mean, we're gonna go full Cartesian. And you know, and 86 00:05:18,270 --> 00:05:20,610 just say, you know, I think therefore I am. 87 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,760 Let me let me just set this up because I read this. Of course, 88 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,280 this came out a few weeks ago, and we're talking about it 89 00:05:26,280 --> 00:05:31,080 because it was discussed on pod land. With an interview with the 90 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,120 woman, and I 91 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,850 had already marked up this document a week ago. 92 00:05:35,940 --> 00:05:39,750 Okay. Yeah, I discussed that on no agenda briefly. and engaging. 93 00:05:39,780 --> 00:05:42,600 Yeah, well, so there is one takeaway from that discussion, 94 00:05:42,900 --> 00:05:45,930 is she is an adjunct professor already. She's, you know, she's 95 00:05:45,930 --> 00:05:49,140 going for her her not adjunct she's going for her thesis. 96 00:05:49,140 --> 00:05:54,930 This, I think this is her thesis. And like, and, and, and 97 00:05:54,930 --> 00:05:58,170 I think it's very smarter for her to, you know, she's got, 98 00:05:58,290 --> 00:06:00,870 she's doing interviews, she's got traction, people are 99 00:06:00,870 --> 00:06:04,920 interested in this, which she now from what I understand is 100 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:10,650 going to turn into a much larger study, across 26,000 episodes of 101 00:06:10,650 --> 00:06:14,400 podcasts. So she's really fundraising for it, because 102 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,100 that's how it works. Places like the Brookings Institution, 103 00:06:17,190 --> 00:06:19,320 whether it's outside funding, you have to think tech, of 104 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:26,280 course. And I find it I can't wait to see what she comes up 105 00:06:26,280 --> 00:06:26,610 with. 106 00:06:28,230 --> 00:06:33,360 Well, I mean, the I just took a few notes out of this thing. But 107 00:06:33,660 --> 00:06:36,600 she says approximately 1/10 include potentially false 108 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:42,600 information, there's that phrase 1/10. Way to look at 1/10, like 109 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,250 90 and 90, exactly. 110 00:06:44,250 --> 00:06:48,750 Hello. Yes, it's people who happen. What do you expect? Of 111 00:06:48,750 --> 00:06:49,200 course, I 112 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,990 mean, we used to call potentially false information. 113 00:06:52,530 --> 00:06:58,470 What we used to call that was opinions like that. We were 114 00:06:58,470 --> 00:07:00,960 putting new words on, you know, a very, very good, 115 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,200 a very good analysis right there. Dave Jones. Yep. All 116 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:04,530 right. 117 00:07:05,100 --> 00:07:10,020 Well, I mean, so as she says here, given the wide and growing 118 00:07:10,020 --> 00:07:13,440 range of podcasts, as well as their potential for spreading 119 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,590 misinformation, she used misinformation that time instead 120 00:07:16,590 --> 00:07:19,860 of potentially false information. Why has this space 121 00:07:19,860 --> 00:07:24,090 largely escaped content moderation debate? Well, I think 122 00:07:24,090 --> 00:07:28,860 it's because just going to play this straight. I think it's 123 00:07:28,860 --> 00:07:33,570 because people understand that these are conversations. And 124 00:07:33,570 --> 00:07:37,440 when you have conversations with people, people give opinions. 125 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,510 Ooh, can I stop you right there? 126 00:07:39,809 --> 00:07:43,529 Because I see this a little differently. Why is there no 127 00:07:43,529 --> 00:07:47,339 debate about this? Potentially false information? Because you 128 00:07:47,339 --> 00:07:50,309 can't comment on episodes of podcast. That's why there's no 129 00:07:50,309 --> 00:07:50,939 debate. 130 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:55,950 Well, that's, that's one of her core things with me. She's She's 131 00:07:55,950 --> 00:08:00,810 hammering this over and over. She says later, that, that's 132 00:08:00,810 --> 00:08:01,770 like, see, and I'm 133 00:08:01,770 --> 00:08:04,800 in agreement on that part. Like, yeah, we need comments is great 134 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,830 to have people debate about an episode of a podcast. I love 135 00:08:07,830 --> 00:08:08,490 seeing that. 136 00:08:09,149 --> 00:08:12,449 He says reducing anyone can publish content, but the 137 00:08:12,479 --> 00:08:16,499 audience cannot respond directly to it, reducing the ability of 138 00:08:16,499 --> 00:08:19,079 the crowd to fact check information like they might on 139 00:08:19,079 --> 00:08:27,599 Twitter. So she's, she's big into having people comment, and 140 00:08:27,629 --> 00:08:32,399 do reviews, which I'm on like you I'm fine with. namespace, 141 00:08:32,429 --> 00:08:32,879 yes. 142 00:08:33,539 --> 00:08:36,539 Please raise some money to fund that work. That would be 143 00:08:36,539 --> 00:08:37,439 fantastic. 144 00:08:38,429 --> 00:08:42,209 I mean, it's the Brookings Institution needs our PayPal URL 145 00:08:42,209 --> 00:08:45,329 I can give it to, you know, it's in the funding tag. 146 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,850 It's right there in the front or, or you know, if you want if 147 00:08:47,850 --> 00:08:51,690 you have a comment, if you have a comment about something, we 148 00:08:51,690 --> 00:08:54,900 have created a mechanism that allows for commenting so we're 149 00:08:54,900 --> 00:08:57,030 getting towards the Brookings dream. 150 00:08:57,570 --> 00:09:00,840 Yeah, they're called booster grams. And you can use them 151 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:05,250 right now. But she says there's no, there's no meat. Unlike 152 00:09:05,250 --> 00:09:07,710 social media platforms, there's no immediate potential for 153 00:09:07,710 --> 00:09:14,790 public debate. And so that made me think of in this will 154 00:09:15,570 --> 00:09:21,060 resonate with you, the old Dave Winer. Whenever he would, post 155 00:09:21,060 --> 00:09:25,710 blog, blogs on his, I mean, articles in his blog. He would, 156 00:09:26,220 --> 00:09:29,760 in somebody got into the comments, and started, you know, 157 00:09:29,790 --> 00:09:34,110 rambling on some huge like, 10 paragraph thing is all his 158 00:09:34,110 --> 00:09:38,640 response would always be turn it off. Start your own blog. Yeah, 159 00:09:39,270 --> 00:09:44,790 exactly. Not a comment. This is a blog post, go by a blog and 160 00:09:44,790 --> 00:09:50,070 post this on your own blog. And I'll link to it Yeah. Well, 161 00:09:50,070 --> 00:09:53,520 that's that's the comment here. If you have a problem with with 162 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:58,050 a potentially false information on another podcast, go start a 163 00:09:58,050 --> 00:10:03,660 podcast and Talk about that other podcast play clips, talk 164 00:10:03,660 --> 00:10:06,930 about how wrong it is. Give your opinion to counter their 165 00:10:06,930 --> 00:10:09,990 opinion. It's, it's the way the internet works. 166 00:10:10,169 --> 00:10:14,039 It's actually the way people are used to working, it's the way 167 00:10:14,039 --> 00:10:19,289 things and at the core work in societies like I, you know, I 168 00:10:19,289 --> 00:10:22,289 have an opinion I disagree if someone else can say, hey, he 169 00:10:22,289 --> 00:10:24,839 said this and you know, it's it's called discourse, it's 170 00:10:24,839 --> 00:10:27,929 called intellectual intercourse. It's like, 171 00:10:27,929 --> 00:10:31,469 yes, this is exactly what is called This, this, she says, 172 00:10:31,859 --> 00:10:36,719 this makes podcasting, an ideal tool to inject false or 173 00:10:36,719 --> 00:10:39,809 misleading information into mainstream discourse, while 174 00:10:39,809 --> 00:10:41,909 going undetected. You see, this is 175 00:10:41,910 --> 00:10:45,060 where it goes off the rails for me, because there's a there's a 176 00:10:45,060 --> 00:10:48,240 big difference between, as you say, potentially false 177 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:52,740 statements or opinions, and malicious. Because that she 178 00:10:52,740 --> 00:10:56,550 goes, the step is quick. He went from Hey, potentially false 179 00:10:56,550 --> 00:11:01,290 information to maliciously placed false information. That's 180 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:05,280 that's different. injected is injected, right? Yes, yes, 181 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:06,030 injected. 182 00:11:07,980 --> 00:11:11,850 And it's to me, I mean, do you want to hear, you want to hear 183 00:11:11,850 --> 00:11:16,020 where there's a whole bunch of injected misinformation, and 184 00:11:16,020 --> 00:11:22,200 false and misleading information to your church, the the hallway 185 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:26,430 at work, the lunch room at work, the sidewalk when you're talking 186 00:11:26,430 --> 00:11:30,420 to your neighbor, all of these places, that you have 187 00:11:30,420 --> 00:11:35,430 conversations, all of them are full of all kinds of potentially 188 00:11:35,430 --> 00:11:39,690 false information. Because people are full of potentially 189 00:11:39,690 --> 00:11:45,390 false information. It's the way people work. And no, in this 190 00:11:45,390 --> 00:11:53,130 type of thinking of that we can go out and eradicate every 191 00:11:53,130 --> 00:11:57,720 source of in I think this is clear, it's Putin but 192 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,860 potentially false information or missile misinformation. The, 193 00:12:02,430 --> 00:12:10,500 the, the mind goes to, it's not science, science is is is mean, 194 00:12:10,530 --> 00:12:13,830 it's not scientific. It's not fact. It's not physical, 195 00:12:14,250 --> 00:12:20,220 verifiable, falsifiable fact. Well, that's not how the world 196 00:12:20,220 --> 00:12:23,820 works. The world's full of people, people are squishy, 197 00:12:23,910 --> 00:12:28,650 people have opinions. And if you this idea that we can control 198 00:12:28,650 --> 00:12:33,630 that, that we can go out and just eradicate every instance of 199 00:12:33,630 --> 00:12:37,680 misinformation in the broader world. There's much more 200 00:12:38,220 --> 00:12:42,060 misinformation happening in lunch rooms and break rooms at 201 00:12:42,060 --> 00:12:46,680 work, then there is in podcasting by about a million. 202 00:12:47,790 --> 00:12:53,730 But with the idea that we can go out and stop that is absurd. And 203 00:12:53,730 --> 00:12:56,880 if it doesn't feel absurd to you, then it borderlines on 204 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:57,390 scary. 205 00:12:59,190 --> 00:13:04,920 I break my my opinion up into two pieces, because actually had 206 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,620 a true American experience, which I want to talk about in a 207 00:13:07,620 --> 00:13:12,780 moment. But this paper, which I had kind of read talked about it 208 00:13:12,810 --> 00:13:15,330 dismissed like okay, it's not the first time I've read this, 209 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:19,800 about podcasting. And I know what's, again, I see these types 210 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,560 of things like oh, potentially inject like, okay, you're on a 211 00:13:22,560 --> 00:13:29,310 whole different, different trip here. But what I realized is I 212 00:13:29,310 --> 00:13:32,340 was listening to pod land, and this is this is when and by the 213 00:13:32,340 --> 00:13:36,060 way, for some reason, and I, this is my own personal issue, 214 00:13:36,060 --> 00:13:38,850 James Cridland can say things that are very triggering to me 215 00:13:38,850 --> 00:13:43,560 personally. It's and I have that with almost nobody. I wrote no 216 00:13:43,560 --> 00:13:47,340 politicians know what it's like. I don't know exactly what it is. 217 00:13:48,540 --> 00:13:52,770 But in this case, they he and Sam were discussing this paper, 218 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,070 and they were discussing it as if they pretty much agree with 219 00:13:56,070 --> 00:14:00,030 it and are all in but they describe the problem not as 220 00:14:00,030 --> 00:14:05,730 potentially false information. But when a podcaster is racist, 221 00:14:05,820 --> 00:14:10,170 or says something wrong. And it's and is that part that says 222 00:14:10,170 --> 00:14:16,650 something wrong part that that I really want to focus on. Now is 223 00:14:16,650 --> 00:14:19,890 James Cridland, you know, what he's looking for is a way to get 224 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,280 people who say something potentially wrong out of 225 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:27,390 podcasting. And and, and but and I think it's good that he also 226 00:14:27,420 --> 00:14:30,870 sees that well, you know, does that just drive the bad stuff 227 00:14:30,900 --> 00:14:34,860 underground? Of course it does. But let's let's get a little 228 00:14:34,860 --> 00:14:40,050 closer to the definition of saying something wrong. And you 229 00:14:40,050 --> 00:14:45,420 know, and racist statements. You know, at this point, that's very 230 00:14:45,420 --> 00:14:48,840 subjective. What is racist or not, you know, the term has 231 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,230 changed, but let's just focus on the something wrong. And so he's 232 00:14:52,230 --> 00:14:56,160 looking for how, where, where do we stop this, and he, by his own 233 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,730 admission, has reported podcasts as saying something wrong, but 234 00:14:59,730 --> 00:15:03,240 it really It comes down to two examples. Alex Jones and Joe 235 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:07,260 Rogan. Those are the only two examples that I ever hear. I 236 00:15:07,260 --> 00:15:10,590 hear categories of examples, but never really anything besides 237 00:15:10,590 --> 00:15:15,330 that. And as I'm listening to this conversation, I realize, 238 00:15:15,450 --> 00:15:19,170 because these are obviously our bad guys, and I have compassion, 239 00:15:19,170 --> 00:15:23,370 by the way for, for James, because I can only imagine what 240 00:15:23,370 --> 00:15:27,030 it's like to live in the biosecurity state of Australia. 241 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:35,070 And his his state in Australia, specifically in Sydney. And I 242 00:15:35,070 --> 00:15:39,720 think that people's amygdalas are hijacked, and we're on high 243 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,420 alert, and we're, you know, everyone's very, very jumpy. I 244 00:15:42,420 --> 00:15:46,950 probably have a version of that myself too. But everything I 245 00:15:46,950 --> 00:15:51,960 hear, and just listening to the whole show in its context, AND 246 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:57,270 and OR this this topic in context of the whole show. This 247 00:15:57,270 --> 00:16:00,150 is not because they really give a shit about what Joe Rogan 248 00:16:00,150 --> 00:16:03,750 says, I really don't think that they care. They don't actually 249 00:16:03,750 --> 00:16:06,960 know because they don't listen. I've been on the show several 250 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:10,800 times, I find no evidence of any of the accusations that the Joe 251 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:17,100 Rogan has thrown at him. They want advertising. And this is 252 00:16:17,100 --> 00:16:20,280 what I realized, and subconsciously, they are so 253 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:25,320 pissed off, that they're these bad apples that make podcasting 254 00:16:25,500 --> 00:16:30,930 an advertiser evil, that they want those to be removed from 255 00:16:30,930 --> 00:16:34,650 the picture. I do not believe that deep in their hearts, they 256 00:16:34,650 --> 00:16:38,940 hate these people or really have take some tremendous issue if 257 00:16:38,940 --> 00:16:40,740 you got into a conversation about it. 258 00:16:44,010 --> 00:16:46,110 I don't know. I don't know how to ask them. 259 00:16:46,140 --> 00:16:51,660 And I say that also because of the the Westwood One audio 260 00:16:51,660 --> 00:16:55,020 scape, who are the podcast listeners. Just think of this 261 00:16:55,050 --> 00:16:57,750 knife. You're all in on advertising and podcasting, 262 00:16:57,750 --> 00:17:02,850 which everybody is and has been for the past 15 years. And we've 263 00:17:02,850 --> 00:17:05,670 had infrastructure built out hosting companies provide 264 00:17:05,670 --> 00:17:10,830 advertising by James Cridland lives on advertising. This this 265 00:17:10,830 --> 00:17:16,470 study showed that the the typical podcast listener is in 266 00:17:16,470 --> 00:17:21,120 the sweet spot at 34. The median age of the podcast audience is 267 00:17:21,120 --> 00:17:25,020 14 years younger than the am FM rock radio audience. And much 268 00:17:25,020 --> 00:17:27,600 younger than broadcast television network audiences. 269 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,780 The podcast audience profile is exceptionally attractive. 270 00:17:31,110 --> 00:17:34,890 podcast listeners are upscale and educated 53 of persons 18 271 00:17:34,890 --> 00:17:38,670 plus who have listened to an audio podcast, audio podcast in 272 00:17:38,670 --> 00:17:42,330 the past 30 days are employed in a white collar occupation 39% 273 00:17:42,330 --> 00:17:46,110 hold management positions 55% have a household income of 274 00:17:46,110 --> 00:17:51,690 $75,000 plus making this group in an audience and advertisers 275 00:17:51,690 --> 00:17:55,860 want to reach. So let me just say, after all these years of 276 00:17:55,860 --> 00:17:59,340 experience and having tried it myself and raise money, you are 277 00:17:59,340 --> 00:18:02,790 not going to get brand advertising on podcasting. And 278 00:18:02,790 --> 00:18:06,840 the reason is not alex jones or Joe Rogan, it's that advertise 279 00:18:06,870 --> 00:18:11,310 brand advertisers do not advertise on content they are 280 00:18:11,310 --> 00:18:14,520 not intimately familiar with, they don't advertise on 281 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,860 television shows that they're not that they don't know what 282 00:18:16,860 --> 00:18:20,520 the outcome will be. The only time there's ever troubles in 283 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:24,600 mainstream with advertisers when when something goes off script. 284 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,410 I give you Janet Jackson wardrobe malfunction at the 285 00:18:28,410 --> 00:18:34,440 Super Bowl. This this is how it works. Now. I had a very 286 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:38,070 American experience a true American experience. Because as 287 00:18:38,070 --> 00:18:41,820 I'm hearing this, and I'm getting riled up because it's 288 00:18:41,820 --> 00:18:47,220 triggering me I mean, I'm thinking oh my god. Yeah, and 289 00:18:47,220 --> 00:18:50,700 really combined with this whole thread on podcast index dot 290 00:18:50,700 --> 00:18:55,140 social, where James was being very funny. And you know, it was 291 00:18:55,140 --> 00:18:59,550 the difference in language, language tags, and everything he 292 00:18:59,550 --> 00:19:02,430 said was anti American and like, you know, oh, and you know, when 293 00:19:02,580 --> 00:19:05,550 when we get mad, we go shoot up the place, you know, all these 294 00:19:05,580 --> 00:19:09,600 like very stereotypical things like we're dumb hex, and then he 295 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,630 even said himself at the end of this thread. Oh, you know, I'm 296 00:19:12,630 --> 00:19:19,320 just, uh, this is very racist fun game sorry to all. Now. My 297 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,710 initial and I hate to say this, but I had a moment where I 298 00:19:22,710 --> 00:19:25,830 thought I'm going to call up his fuckin advertisers and tell him 299 00:19:25,830 --> 00:19:30,090 how anti American he is. And let's see how funny it is. And 300 00:19:30,090 --> 00:19:36,330 then I thought, No, that's exactly who we aren't. That's 301 00:19:36,330 --> 00:19:38,190 exactly who we aren't. 302 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:45,960 Yet we'll push pushing back is critical. And that's why that's 303 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:50,400 why you don't, that's why you don't censor. Because even when 304 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:54,120 people push back and you think they're wrong, their ability to 305 00:19:54,120 --> 00:19:59,160 push back is sacred. They're even even if you highly disagree 306 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,520 with it. And think that it's mean spirited, or think that 307 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:07,890 it's bad, actually incorrect or anything like that. But that 308 00:20:07,950 --> 00:20:15,360 that brings me back to, to this idea that what she said was the 309 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,180 the intimate relationship between a podcaster and her 310 00:20:18,180 --> 00:20:20,790 audience may mean that the audience will be more likely to 311 00:20:20,790 --> 00:20:24,690 believe untruth. This is completely wrong. That is 312 00:20:24,690 --> 00:20:27,840 incorrect. And that's something that you read, you read that 313 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:29,070 again, can you read that line? Yeah. 314 00:20:30,750 --> 00:20:33,510 The intimate relationship between a podcaster and her 315 00:20:33,510 --> 00:20:37,200 audience may mean that the audience will be more likely to 316 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,830 believe untruth to believe misinformation, because it's 317 00:20:40,830 --> 00:20:44,040 coming from like a quote unquote, trusted source. This is 318 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:48,750 completely bogus. That is not true at all. And I can, I can 319 00:20:48,750 --> 00:20:53,070 prove that, by my own religion by my own marriage, mountain, 320 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:59,190 I'm a very libertarian guy. I'm very, you know, anti government. 321 00:20:59,820 --> 00:21:05,190 My, my wife is very liberal. Biden's supporter just 322 00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:09,900 absolutely, you know, just, you know, very, very on board with a 323 00:21:09,900 --> 00:21:16,560 lot of liberal agendas. And we disagree all the time. Now, you 324 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:20,220 cannot be in a more intimate relationship than a marriage. 325 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,990 But we disagree with each other, at least once a day on 326 00:21:24,990 --> 00:21:28,470 something. And you know, and, and I'm bringing that up to say 327 00:21:28,470 --> 00:21:33,990 that it's been that has been good for me. Over the last six 328 00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:37,950 or seven years, it has been good for me to have that in my life. 329 00:21:38,190 --> 00:21:43,620 Because it's tempered, my is tempered my rhetoric, and made 330 00:21:43,620 --> 00:21:49,890 me listen more. So that again, it doesn't necessarily change my 331 00:21:49,890 --> 00:21:53,550 opinion, it does sometimes. But for the most part, what is done 332 00:21:53,550 --> 00:21:58,680 is made me more careful about the things I say and more self 333 00:21:58,740 --> 00:22:03,090 analyzing about why I believe the things I do and why I 334 00:22:03,090 --> 00:22:06,960 believe them in the way that I do. So just because something 335 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,650 just because somebody just because I hear something from a 336 00:22:10,650 --> 00:22:16,050 trusted source, I can hear it on no agenda. I trust you a lot. 337 00:22:16,050 --> 00:22:20,550 And we have a close relationship. But I'm just 338 00:22:20,550 --> 00:22:23,160 because I hear it from you doesn't mean that I'm just like, 339 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:29,160 move, okay. I mean, we all have brains. And we all and sometimes 340 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:35,010 the most intimate relationship is is the time when you push 341 00:22:35,010 --> 00:22:44,280 back the most on somebody. It's like that. That, to me, is I'm 342 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:48,960 thankful for guys like James and Sam, that they will do a show 343 00:22:49,110 --> 00:22:53,280 that makes me sharpen my own thoughts about these things. 344 00:22:53,310 --> 00:22:56,310 I think I think this is exactly the point I'm making about my 345 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:01,680 truly American moments where I had this just a total flash of 346 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:06,900 clarity saying no, I'm I am grateful for these guys in my 347 00:23:06,900 --> 00:23:08,760 life. I'm truly grateful 348 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:13,980 for it. But because you resisted the urge to do the thing that's 349 00:23:13,980 --> 00:23:15,150 the most feral 350 00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:18,900 mm hmm, yep. It's we have to cancel press the delete key. 351 00:23:18,930 --> 00:23:19,320 Yep. 352 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,580 Yeah. And the other, you know, if you'll indulge me in a couple 353 00:23:23,580 --> 00:23:29,700 of stories here. The The other thing that bothers me a lot 354 00:23:29,700 --> 00:23:34,800 about when this gets into the think tank realm, is that really 355 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,380 the only true final arbiter of these kinds of things is 356 00:23:37,380 --> 00:23:44,850 government? Because who is going to have the last word in? what 357 00:23:44,850 --> 00:23:46,110 is acceptable speech? 358 00:23:46,140 --> 00:23:48,840 What is wrong, wrong thinking something 359 00:23:48,870 --> 00:23:52,530 wrong? It's going to be government in some shape, form 360 00:23:52,530 --> 00:23:57,690 or fashion, whether it's through a network of NGO type fact 361 00:23:57,690 --> 00:23:58,560 checkers, what 362 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,740 we know is this already happened in the United States with our so 363 00:24:01,740 --> 00:24:06,900 called hate laws. Your hate is not determined in US code is 364 00:24:06,930 --> 00:24:11,520 there's no determination for it. But now we do have hate crimes, 365 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:17,370 which usually in for larger penalties. 366 00:24:17,940 --> 00:24:23,370 Well, in in that regard, there's no there's no definition 367 00:24:23,370 --> 00:24:27,510 independent definition of what constitutes misinformation, or 368 00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:31,170 potentially false information. There is no definition for this. 369 00:24:31,620 --> 00:24:35,790 So it's going to be it's going to be judged by a panel. It's 370 00:24:35,790 --> 00:24:40,320 always going to tie back to government. And this and I want 371 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,730 to I want to, I want to tell this, a couple of personal 372 00:24:45,090 --> 00:24:51,120 things here. My the part of the reason that I think the way I do 373 00:24:51,150 --> 00:24:53,250 about government and about censorship and about these 374 00:24:53,250 --> 00:24:58,080 things, specifically government goes back to the first six 375 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:04,410 months of my marriage 22 years ago, we were dirt poor, we could 376 00:25:04,410 --> 00:25:08,700 barely put food on the table, we had to have my, my in laws, buy 377 00:25:08,700 --> 00:25:11,580 us groceries, you know, two or three times, within the first 378 00:25:11,580 --> 00:25:15,720 six months of our marriage, we were dead broke. And I was 379 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:22,890 working my butt off. And Mom, wife, our tag expired on our car 380 00:25:23,130 --> 00:25:27,000 on like, towards the end of the month or license plate. And it 381 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:31,020 was like $150 to get to get a new to get to do the knock the 382 00:25:31,020 --> 00:25:34,440 license plate. And so it's getting towards the end of the 383 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,220 month. And I'm like, Okay, if we can just make it to the next 384 00:25:38,220 --> 00:25:41,250 month, where in my next paycheck, then I'll go down, 385 00:25:41,250 --> 00:25:47,460 I'll take care of this. And I'm like, 23 years old. Melissa 386 00:25:47,460 --> 00:25:53,280 calls me at work, she's crying. She got pulled over and got a 387 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:59,130 ticket from the cop for having an expired license plate. And 388 00:25:59,460 --> 00:26:05,250 the ticket was like almost $300. And, um, and she's like, No, we 389 00:26:05,250 --> 00:26:07,110 can't afford I don't know what I'm what we're gonna do, I'm 390 00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:09,390 gonna get my life, we can't pay this and get my license taken 391 00:26:09,390 --> 00:26:13,650 away. And she said, I beg I beg the police officer not to give 392 00:26:13,650 --> 00:26:15,930 me a ticket. I told him we were going to pay the dude renew the 393 00:26:15,930 --> 00:26:19,050 license plate next week. And he said, I'm sorry, ma'am. I'm just 394 00:26:19,050 --> 00:26:25,200 doing my job. That experience of coming face to face with 395 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:30,630 government. And being told we don't care. The government 396 00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:35,490 doesn't care about you as an individual. We care about you as 397 00:26:35,490 --> 00:26:42,330 a number that that experience changed really changed me for 398 00:26:42,330 --> 00:26:46,920 the for the rest of my life. That shows the Kafka esque face 399 00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:52,950 of government at s as some add. And it really lays bare what it 400 00:26:52,950 --> 00:27:02,460 is a jump. And we know we jumped forward today. And as of 401 00:27:02,460 --> 00:27:07,320 yesterday, I'm now having in a very similar experience. And 402 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:12,450 this is my this is a very personal story for me. And I'll 403 00:27:12,450 --> 00:27:16,950 bring this all back around to here in a minute. The about six 404 00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:23,340 years ago, I got had a series of health problems. And they 405 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,750 ultimately culminated in me getting a case of shingles. If 406 00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:30,450 you know yeah, if no, no was she I think you probably may 407 00:27:30,450 --> 00:27:31,080 remember a 408 00:27:31,140 --> 00:27:34,680 I know exactly what what shingles is. Yeah, it's it's 409 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,040 basically chickenpox for old people only fucked up. 410 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,890 Yeah. So what chickenpox if you had chickenpox when you're 411 00:27:40,890 --> 00:27:45,690 young, in it never leaves your body it stays there forever, and 412 00:27:45,690 --> 00:27:49,890 it stays in your spinal fluid. And under moments of a lot of 413 00:27:49,890 --> 00:27:54,390 stress. It can is called the varicella zoster virus, and it 414 00:27:54,390 --> 00:27:58,830 can reactivate and when it does, it begins to travel up your 415 00:27:58,830 --> 00:28:03,420 nerve endings and eventually erupts onto your skin as lesions 416 00:28:03,450 --> 00:28:05,100 sort of chickenpox like lesions 417 00:28:05,370 --> 00:28:08,130 on your face on your hands can be anywhere right? 418 00:28:08,460 --> 00:28:12,000 Yep, could be in your in your ear on your I could be mom was 419 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:17,670 on my on my left flank. So part of the in the pain comes from 420 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,680 the traveling the slow traveling over a course of a week or so up 421 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:29,910 your nerve endings up to where it eventually erupts. So this I 422 00:28:29,910 --> 00:28:35,610 got shingles. And I've never been the same since. Now this 423 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,780 this is very rare. This doesn't happen to everybody. It doesn't 424 00:28:39,780 --> 00:28:43,440 happen to very many people at all. But sometimes when a virus 425 00:28:43,470 --> 00:28:46,170 and this is why I'm a strong believer in was so called long 426 00:28:46,170 --> 00:28:49,890 COVID or COVID long haulers because I live this on a daily 427 00:28:49,890 --> 00:28:53,370 basis once a virus gets reactivated in your system, 428 00:28:54,150 --> 00:28:56,820 sometimes what can happen whether it's epstein barr or 429 00:28:56,820 --> 00:28:59,490 varicella, zoster, or Coronavirus, or any of these 430 00:28:59,490 --> 00:29:03,210 viruses, sometimes what can happen is it freaks your immune 431 00:29:03,210 --> 00:29:06,810 system out so bad that what happens is your immune system 432 00:29:06,810 --> 00:29:10,560 turns on and it never really turns off again. And what makes 433 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:15,120 you feel like shit, when you're sick, is not necessarily the 434 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,090 virus, it's your immune system is what makes you feel so bad. 435 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,320 Your own immune system begins to secrete all kinds of chemicals, 436 00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:24,900 and it changes your body chemistry and it makes you feel 437 00:29:24,900 --> 00:29:30,060 terrible. And I go through this so essentially my my immune 438 00:29:30,060 --> 00:29:35,640 system is always on too high of an alert. If slight things that 439 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,900 I do in my daily life will plunge me into feeling terrible 440 00:29:39,900 --> 00:29:42,690 like I've almost got the flu and it could last two three days it 441 00:29:42,690 --> 00:29:43,740 could last a week or more 442 00:29:43,860 --> 00:29:46,500 like atmospheric stuff as well. smog. 443 00:29:46,530 --> 00:29:50,670 Yes. My little bit of humid atmosphere causes some mold or 444 00:29:50,670 --> 00:29:55,290 something. Boom. Something to eat. Boom. I mean in. I deal 445 00:29:55,290 --> 00:30:00,570 with this on every at least every couple of weeks. In an 446 00:30:00,570 --> 00:30:03,270 unreal, I've dealt with it for so long for so many years now 447 00:30:03,270 --> 00:30:07,050 that I hide it really well. And you wouldn't know it from 448 00:30:07,050 --> 00:30:09,510 talking to me most of the time. But that's one of the reasons 449 00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:12,990 why I'm so skinny. I can't gain weight. There's just there's 450 00:30:12,990 --> 00:30:15,720 some, my immune system is constant. Oh, man, 451 00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:17,640 I thought you were on crack. So at least I'm happy 452 00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:25,680 with but that's the crack is for. It's just for fun. The so 453 00:30:26,670 --> 00:30:31,650 then you so yesterday, Joe Biden, our illustrious president 454 00:30:32,430 --> 00:30:37,440 announces that he's going to force every employee working in 455 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,730 a company with 100, or there has at least 100 or more employees 456 00:30:41,970 --> 00:30:50,310 to either be to be vaccinated or fired. So one, I've already had 457 00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:53,910 COVID have recovered from COVID of natural immunity and 458 00:30:53,910 --> 00:30:58,110 antibodies, which the CDC has, in their latest study that was 459 00:30:58,110 --> 00:31:03,900 published on September 2 says verbatim that recovered COVID 460 00:31:03,990 --> 00:31:09,300 patients have at least as good protection if not greater than 461 00:31:09,330 --> 00:31:15,630 the vaccine. But what I'm being told now is that I have to get 462 00:31:16,020 --> 00:31:22,590 vaccinated. And this vaccine is designed to jack up your immune 463 00:31:22,590 --> 00:31:27,030 system to make your immune system go nuts for a little 464 00:31:27,030 --> 00:31:29,670 while, so that it trains your immune system on the 465 00:31:29,670 --> 00:31:35,760 Coronavirus. You can imagine my fear of injecting something into 466 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:42,090 my body, it's going to make my immune system go nuts. I'm not 467 00:31:42,090 --> 00:31:49,320 doing that. Sorry. It's not, it's not scientific. For me, my 468 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:54,090 personal body my situation, it's not scientific in any way. And 469 00:31:54,090 --> 00:31:56,700 no doctor can guarantee me that I'm not going to end up 470 00:31:56,700 --> 00:31:58,110 bedridden in the process. 471 00:31:58,410 --> 00:32:01,590 And so by the nature of us even discussing this, this would be 472 00:32:01,590 --> 00:32:07,110 wrong thinking and counter to the it could in fact, be 473 00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:08,910 potentially false information. 474 00:32:09,660 --> 00:32:14,160 Sure. And so what I'm what I'm saying, you know, and I'm gonna 475 00:32:14,580 --> 00:32:16,770 bring, I'm bringing this back. And the reason I'm saying all 476 00:32:16,770 --> 00:32:23,250 these things, is to say that what my government told me 477 00:32:23,250 --> 00:32:31,320 yesterday was, we don't care about you. And your we don't 478 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:36,150 care about Dave, we only care about your number on a 479 00:32:36,150 --> 00:32:43,110 spreadsheet. And you're going to do what we say. Or we're gonna 480 00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:47,880 make sure that we get you fired from your job, to hell with the 481 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:53,940 science, to hell with your life and your loved ones. And you. We 482 00:32:53,940 --> 00:32:59,700 only care about numbers on a spreadsheet. That's the way that 483 00:32:59,700 --> 00:33:04,770 is the way government looks at everything because it government 484 00:33:04,770 --> 00:33:09,030 is not a scalpel. That does search surgical precision. 485 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:14,760 Government is a club that bludgeons things to get it to 486 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:21,420 conform to its will. And that is not what we want, regulating the 487 00:33:21,420 --> 00:33:27,900 speech or anything else in our society. That in those are the 488 00:33:27,900 --> 00:33:32,190 two most concrete examples that can that I can give of the 489 00:33:32,190 --> 00:33:38,910 danger of allowing government to dictate not just speech but but 490 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:45,450 anything in society in a in a tech knock a technic, technical 491 00:33:45,450 --> 00:33:49,950 way in a technocracy style fashion. It's not it's not okay. 492 00:33:50,610 --> 00:33:54,240 don't support it. In anything that claims to do that, 493 00:33:54,450 --> 00:33:58,860 ultimately, we'll have one of those results, it will create 494 00:33:58,860 --> 00:34:07,680 harm where there was no harm before. Right. That's it so 495 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:15,240 that, that when I hear things like, we need to rethink the 496 00:34:15,240 --> 00:34:18,600 entire infrastructure, which is some of the things it was just 497 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,120 one of the things she said, we need to rebuild this entire 498 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,240 infrastructure to make migration 499 00:34:24,269 --> 00:34:26,939 all that was missing from that was and we need to do it in 500 00:34:26,939 --> 00:34:27,569 JSON. 501 00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:35,669 Yeah, most of the smaller players in the field lack the 502 00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:38,849 financial resources to carry out extensive content moderation, 503 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,699 and look to larger companies like Apple and Spotify to 504 00:34:41,699 --> 00:34:46,319 determine what should be removed. This this is and so 505 00:34:46,319 --> 00:34:49,199 there, you just go right back up the chain. You say, okay, we're 506 00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:52,709 going to go to Apple, we're going to go to Apple, or Google 507 00:34:53,009 --> 00:34:56,189 or Facebook and let them make those decisions because smaller, 508 00:34:56,249 --> 00:34:58,469 smaller companies can make those decisions and they'll have the 509 00:34:58,469 --> 00:35:02,819 financial resources to do it. Those aren't private companies 510 00:35:02,819 --> 00:35:06,389 making those decisions. Those are Google, Apple, Facebook. 511 00:35:06,689 --> 00:35:10,499 These are companies that are now in the crosshairs of the Justice 512 00:35:10,499 --> 00:35:14,369 Department and Congress for being under my monopoly 513 00:35:14,399 --> 00:35:18,959 suspicion. They are, they are not independent actors making 514 00:35:18,959 --> 00:35:23,789 decisions on their own anymore. They are being under being 515 00:35:23,789 --> 00:35:29,099 constantly pressured by the government to do things that the 516 00:35:29,099 --> 00:35:32,369 government wants, because that's how they're going to keep from 517 00:35:32,369 --> 00:35:35,969 being regulated. That's what I mean, when I say all this 518 00:35:35,999 --> 00:35:39,299 ultimately ends up with government, because you can push 519 00:35:39,299 --> 00:35:44,129 it up and say, you hear all this section 230 guys, on, you know, 520 00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:46,739 on social media, they're like, no, this is this is not 521 00:35:46,769 --> 00:35:49,679 government, censoring your speech. These are private 522 00:35:49,679 --> 00:35:52,469 companies, they can do whatever they want. Well, yeah, they're 523 00:35:52,469 --> 00:35:55,199 private companies that are also getting calls from the White 524 00:35:55,199 --> 00:35:57,629 House on a consistent basis from the executive branch of the 525 00:35:57,629 --> 00:35:58,199 government. 526 00:35:58,950 --> 00:36:00,660 Now they're being threatened. They're being threatened by 527 00:36:00,660 --> 00:36:04,020 legislation. That is the it is a textbook definition of 528 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:08,100 infringing on free speech, the government, and by the way, just 529 00:36:08,100 --> 00:36:11,730 version for for everyone to understand the United States 530 00:36:11,730 --> 00:36:15,900 Constitution particular the Bill of Rights. It is. If you look at 531 00:36:15,900 --> 00:36:19,980 the the amendments, it is not right, given to the American 532 00:36:19,980 --> 00:36:23,100 people this document, please read it. It's very, very small. 533 00:36:23,820 --> 00:36:27,930 Every single one of these amendments starts with the 534 00:36:27,930 --> 00:36:31,320 government shall not the government has no, right. The 535 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,290 government cannot. It's a guideline for what the 536 00:36:34,290 --> 00:36:39,390 government cannot do. Now, when you get to free speech. We argue 537 00:36:39,390 --> 00:36:43,560 over words like infringe, or, you know, this first and second 538 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,440 amendment, actually. So these are narrower. And by the way, 539 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,050 we're very good at changing the meaning of words throughout 540 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,200 history and language, etc. Before anything, Dave, thank you 541 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,620 very much for sharing those stories. You've never shared 542 00:36:55,620 --> 00:36:59,370 those with me. I think that's right. That's, that was I 543 00:36:59,370 --> 00:37:03,180 appreciate that a lot. And Hold on. Let me let me spark up the 544 00:37:03,180 --> 00:37:03,810 bond for you. 545 00:37:08,700 --> 00:37:12,630 Yes, yes, a small room is for smoking. And may 546 00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:15,570 I comment on your drywall sounding particularly nice 547 00:37:15,570 --> 00:37:15,960 today? 548 00:37:16,770 --> 00:37:19,350 Sorry about that. No, no, it's very bouncy. And here it is bit 549 00:37:19,350 --> 00:37:25,740 bouncy. Yeah. So bottom line. The takeaway for me personally, 550 00:37:25,740 --> 00:37:32,430 is I'm super happy that I have the community around me and the 551 00:37:33,300 --> 00:37:41,550 upbringing, and the values that do not make me want to eliminate 552 00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:46,710 people who hurt me or trigger me or disagree or whatever. 553 00:37:49,889 --> 00:38:01,019 And it's, it's critical to have to have pushback. Yes, it is 554 00:38:01,019 --> 00:38:04,199 important. It's important, even if it's wrong, 555 00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:06,930 and there's also a time when you just need to ignore. I mean, 556 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,070 this is I've gotten very good at this in the past. I think ever 557 00:38:11,070 --> 00:38:13,320 since I was 50. I really, you know, it's been seven years for 558 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,650 me, so I got my shit together as a person. And some therapy. 559 00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:22,980 Yeah, you know, like, there's a lot to just ignore. There's a 560 00:38:22,980 --> 00:38:25,560 lot of trolls a lot of people who say shit, particularly 561 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,710 social media, and the best policy just okay. And I catch 562 00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:31,590 myself a lot writing reply deleting before I even posted, 563 00:38:32,070 --> 00:38:34,800 like, yeah, I'm done. Alright, I just, that's dumb and just get 564 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,350 out of my system. And then and then we're back back to 565 00:38:37,350 --> 00:38:40,410 normal times writing it is all you got to do. Yeah, the posting 566 00:38:40,410 --> 00:38:41,970 is like you write it and then you hit delete, 567 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,480 but, but let's just make sure that no one who was out there 568 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:50,430 yelling about podcasts has any more authority with what is 569 00:38:50,430 --> 00:38:55,350 correct or incorrect medical information or scientific 570 00:38:55,350 --> 00:39:00,810 information, if you want to even mathematics is disagreed upon 571 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:05,400 and I believe in math and your math. You know, the numbers add 572 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,400 up. And you can you can I think that's proof math to me is 573 00:39:08,430 --> 00:39:14,010 usually proof. Even that is a disputed look at ciphered in a 574 00:39:14,010 --> 00:39:20,670 moose, and what's the, the Black Swan guy? I mean, they disagree 575 00:39:20,700 --> 00:39:24,570 on the mathematics of an economical equation, which, you 576 00:39:24,570 --> 00:39:27,360 know, and they're they're arguing literally over 577 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:33,300 equations. Yeah. Yeah. So even that isn't isn't sacred anymore. 578 00:39:34,140 --> 00:39:40,740 I mean, think about her name, tell her. See, one of her last 579 00:39:40,740 --> 00:39:43,410 paragraphs here says, As a first step, it is critical to 580 00:39:43,410 --> 00:39:45,900 understand the scope of this problem in order to identify 581 00:39:45,930 --> 00:39:50,280 appropriate policy solutions to address the spread of 582 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,730 misinformation that that's why I said it all. It all ends up back 583 00:39:53,730 --> 00:39:56,430 in government. You know, it doesn't matter what you're 584 00:39:56,430 --> 00:40:01,800 disagreeing on, everybody, all your You ultimately always end 585 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,920 up back with the ones with the people who have the guns. 586 00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:08,700 Because that's, you know, that's, that's where the buck 587 00:40:08,700 --> 00:40:13,050 stops. And so that that tells you ultimately, okay, let's 588 00:40:13,050 --> 00:40:15,540 talk. We're ultimately going to bring this back to government. 589 00:40:15,690 --> 00:40:20,010 And I mean, just like, does anybody remember the bait the 590 00:40:20,010 --> 00:40:24,150 babies and incubators from Kuwait? Gulf of Tonkin? I mean, 591 00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:26,940 Syria, the all the Syrian gas attacks that turned out to be 592 00:40:26,940 --> 00:40:32,130 bullshit. Saddam's weapons of mass destruction. It's Tuskegee 593 00:40:32,130 --> 00:40:36,570 experiments. MK Ultra. I mean, they're the list of, and I'll 594 00:40:36,570 --> 00:40:43,830 say this. I'm getting riled up against. I will say this, the, 595 00:40:43,980 --> 00:40:49,680 the idea that your government will not lie to you is racist. 596 00:40:50,610 --> 00:40:53,850 Yeah, that's sure, for sure. But it's only those other 597 00:40:53,850 --> 00:40:57,000 governments, it's only China that would rely, it's only the 598 00:40:58,020 --> 00:41:00,600 third world countries that you know, quote, unquote, third 599 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,290 world countries, only they would lie to their people are good 600 00:41:04,290 --> 00:41:07,110 white, you know, Western governments would not they 601 00:41:07,110 --> 00:41:11,100 wouldn't do such a thing. No, you know, no. Well, I mean, if 602 00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:13,800 you live in that world, and that's great, great for you, you 603 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,050 must live in Narnia or something, because they're here 604 00:41:16,050 --> 00:41:19,170 in the real world where actual people exist, governments lie to 605 00:41:19,170 --> 00:41:22,980 us all the time, you know, at least the United States. So 606 00:41:24,030 --> 00:41:26,970 the bottom line is for podcasts index and thank yous around, I'm 607 00:41:26,970 --> 00:41:29,850 gonna go real. Yeah, thank you, the board appreciates your 608 00:41:29,850 --> 00:41:32,490 updates your personal data, it's very nice to know about your 609 00:41:32,490 --> 00:41:34,800 medical history and your marriage and all but you know, 610 00:41:39,150 --> 00:41:44,190 to bring that around, podcast index, and and honestly, at the 611 00:41:44,190 --> 00:41:48,360 urging of people like James, we softened our mission statement. 612 00:41:49,260 --> 00:41:53,070 And, and really out of consideration for people with 613 00:41:53,100 --> 00:41:57,720 other opinions, even though the opinion of you know, freedom of 614 00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:01,560 speech is is it is very American. So there is, you know, 615 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,320 there's that. So we saw that, I don't regret that, you know, I 616 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,330 don't regret it either. But I just want you to know, you, we 617 00:42:06,330 --> 00:42:09,630 softened it to the podcast index is here to preserve, protect and 618 00:42:09,630 --> 00:42:14,070 extend the open, independent podcasting ecosystem. That's, 619 00:42:14,070 --> 00:42:17,610 that's the top line, there's a second one there. So we soften 620 00:42:17,610 --> 00:42:23,040 that, but make no mistake, we're a list of links. And we're not 621 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,940 going to take anything out for any have any reason, except I 622 00:42:26,940 --> 00:42:30,690 know that you have removed illegal links to illegal 623 00:42:30,690 --> 00:42:36,480 content. Yes. I mean, that. I don't think anyone there's no, 624 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,520 just no disagreement with that. And in fact, that is also 625 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,460 protected under Section 230, if you want to play it by the law. 626 00:42:42,690 --> 00:42:46,350 But just as I can go to pod news.net, slash search and 627 00:42:46,350 --> 00:42:50,790 search for x 22 report and receive the podcast results, 628 00:42:51,060 --> 00:42:56,010 info wars, the alex jones show, it's all there. So I would 629 00:42:56,010 --> 00:42:58,950 appreciate if other people from other countries might look at 630 00:42:58,950 --> 00:43:03,720 their own shit first. If you have a problem lead by example. 631 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,010 You know, it's and that's the beauty of what we're doing is we 632 00:43:08,010 --> 00:43:12,810 are not presenting anything in any manner other than here's a 633 00:43:12,810 --> 00:43:17,160 list of links. And we're not surfacing show notes. If there's 634 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:21,690 something that we don't that this illegal, like an image 635 00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:24,540 could be incest image or whatever you've deleted. Yeah, 636 00:43:24,540 --> 00:43:26,910 then that has to go that's a legal issue. 637 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,310 Yeah. And then there's 638 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,700 everything else is just opinion and get over 639 00:43:32,700 --> 00:43:36,960 yourself. And we also don't highlight things or feature 640 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:37,260 things. 641 00:43:37,529 --> 00:43:38,759 We have no editorial. 642 00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:42,660 Yeah, like there's no way you can't ask us to be featured on a 643 00:43:42,660 --> 00:43:45,900 search popularity rank or something. It's just not that's 644 00:43:45,900 --> 00:43:46,830 not the way we do things. 645 00:43:46,860 --> 00:43:53,250 But it is a feature of of certainly now where everybody's 646 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,100 and I and I had a conversation with Scott Adams about this who 647 00:43:56,100 --> 00:43:58,650 says he's a trained hypnotist I have no reason to doubt him. 648 00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:01,829 That you think that now 649 00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:08,670 you hypnotize me and but he also says no, the state of the world 650 00:44:08,670 --> 00:44:12,630 today our our fight or flight mechanism controlled by our 651 00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:17,580 amygdala is in in state of high alert continuously, all of us 652 00:44:17,580 --> 00:44:22,560 have it. And so when you get those feelings fight or flight, 653 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,610 that's not your rational brain talking, and then stopping 654 00:44:26,610 --> 00:44:31,200 yourself right then and there is very, very, very difficult. It's 655 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:39,300 very hard. But if we want to get anywhere, you know, even I mean, 656 00:44:39,330 --> 00:44:43,620 look, there was a time I won't even go into it. And I'm not 657 00:44:43,620 --> 00:44:44,850 here to give history lessons. 658 00:44:45,150 --> 00:44:47,340 You don't want to give your medical personal medical history 659 00:44:47,340 --> 00:44:49,860 and marriage history. My good right doing it. 660 00:44:49,890 --> 00:44:52,170 Oh my goodness. Well, it was interesting. The only thing that 661 00:44:52,170 --> 00:44:55,260 hit for me I've tried to hide my Tourette's all my life and when 662 00:44:55,260 --> 00:44:59,760 you said you know I'm very good at hiding hiding your your 663 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,550 medical issues I really identified with that it's 664 00:45:02,550 --> 00:45:07,230 tiring. It's tiring to, to cover it up or hide or whatever or 665 00:45:07,230 --> 00:45:09,600 not, you know, not show it to the outside world that you got 666 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:10,530 some shit going on. 667 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,080 Well, because you're also nervous too. You're like, yeah, 668 00:45:13,140 --> 00:45:16,080 yeah, I'm gonna lose my job. Yes. They're worried about my 669 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:16,770 health. Yeah, 670 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,700 exactly. I was a guy who was the guy on television with ticks. 671 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,920 This is not necessarily good thing for TV. get distracted by 672 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:26,100 it. 673 00:45:28,260 --> 00:45:31,770 And that's what it's like, my official diagnosis is CFS is 674 00:45:31,770 --> 00:45:34,740 chronic fatigue. And it's just, it's just a diagnosis of 675 00:45:34,740 --> 00:45:37,650 exclusion is like, we don't know what's going on with you. So, 676 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,920 but you'll be surprised at how difficult it is to get that 677 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:45,390 diagnosis because that diagnosis is tied to disability. So 678 00:45:45,390 --> 00:45:49,140 security. And even though I've never done that, that is a very 679 00:45:49,140 --> 00:45:54,660 diff, those are closely guarded diagnoses. And I actually had me 680 00:45:54,660 --> 00:45:58,560 and my men, Melissa went, we spent $10,000 to go to 681 00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:03,870 California and see a specialist. And just one part of the many 682 00:46:03,870 --> 00:46:06,960 1000s of dollars we spent over the last six years to own my 683 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:12,030 condition. And we saw God Dr. Kaufman out there, who is like a 684 00:46:12,030 --> 00:46:15,540 world you know, he's infectious disease specialist. And so he 685 00:46:15,630 --> 00:46:20,250 gave me that diagnosis. Well, there's a lot of, I mean, many 686 00:46:20,250 --> 00:46:22,860 people you talk to with CFS are really good at hiding it. 687 00:46:23,070 --> 00:46:25,380 Because you get whenever you get in public like I'm doing the 688 00:46:25,380 --> 00:46:28,320 podcast like right now I'm all jacked up on adrenaline. Yeah. 689 00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:32,820 And it overwhelms me overcome it. So I can sort of like I can 690 00:46:32,820 --> 00:46:38,130 become the energy that I need to be and then I'll crash later. So 691 00:46:38,130 --> 00:46:38,520 yeah, 692 00:46:38,549 --> 00:46:41,519 I mean, it's it's ladies and gentlemen of the board. You 693 00:46:41,519 --> 00:46:45,839 heard it here. You heard it here. We need to boost for Tiny 694 00:46:45,839 --> 00:46:51,509 Tim is your cue to you know, you want 10s of 1000s of dollars to 695 00:46:51,509 --> 00:46:56,009 help his his his crippled leg. He's walking with a stick. 696 00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,700 I need a new crutch stick. 697 00:47:00,090 --> 00:47:03,510 Dave Jones I love you. I love you. I will do I will do my 698 00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:10,440 armpit. I will do a podcast with you any day. Okay, taking a 699 00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:15,330 breath. Hey, congratulations to breeze who now is included 700 00:47:15,330 --> 00:47:20,160 booster grams I had a great is really cool. So I see the 701 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,550 announcement. Today actually, Roy ping me I boosted grams. 702 00:47:23,580 --> 00:47:26,760 Alright, so I get the new I'm on graph, you know, so I get the 703 00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:31,260 new the new version. And I go for a booster gram. And just as 704 00:47:31,260 --> 00:47:34,320 messaged you know I'm missing who to send it to. I'm missing a 705 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:38,370 change in amount. And I was so jarred, it was almost like my 706 00:47:38,370 --> 00:47:40,890 one pod verse first came out with boosts and there was no 707 00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:45,780 confetti. It was like, Oh, no, there's no Jesus. This is this 708 00:47:45,780 --> 00:47:49,110 is confetti. It's not happening. We're not spraying SATs 709 00:47:49,110 --> 00:47:49,710 everywhere. 710 00:47:49,860 --> 00:47:52,290 Well, okay, this is also a problem with cast ematic. Now, 711 00:47:52,290 --> 00:47:56,670 Frank Franco needs to hear this too. I know this is hard. It's 712 00:47:56,670 --> 00:48:00,810 not easy on iOS. But frankly, you've got to put the confetti 713 00:48:00,810 --> 00:48:04,920 in there. It's the brand man. Yeah. Have you used cosmetic No, 714 00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:05,580 you're Oh, no, 715 00:48:05,580 --> 00:48:07,020 no, I'm not an iOS. No. 716 00:48:07,469 --> 00:48:11,189 Okay. Okay, cast Matic you hit the boost. And it just pops up a 717 00:48:11,189 --> 00:48:14,879 dialog that says boosts it with an okay, but oh, no, it's not. 718 00:48:15,539 --> 00:48:16,229 Oh, no. Oh, 719 00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:18,600 no, this is but this is we need to strip him off his 720 00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:24,060 compatibility sticker. Take his podcast license away. It's doing 721 00:48:24,060 --> 00:48:24,720 it wrong. 722 00:48:27,570 --> 00:48:29,100 podcasting tupuna certified it. 723 00:48:29,099 --> 00:48:32,609 here's, here's what I love. So I'm looking at this, I'm like, 724 00:48:32,639 --> 00:48:39,209 Ah, oh, man is hurt. So I hop on, hop on a message with Roy 725 00:48:39,359 --> 00:48:44,639 and signal I dry man is going on now. But you got to know about 726 00:48:44,639 --> 00:48:48,959 breeze. It breezes. These are traditional software development 727 00:48:48,959 --> 00:48:51,599 cycles. These guys have cycles. They've I don't know if they've 728 00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:54,929 worked together before. But they're very structured in their 729 00:48:54,929 --> 00:48:58,199 approach. And very structured. And in prod. I think ROI is 730 00:48:58,199 --> 00:49:02,639 really a professional Product Manager. At least that's what 731 00:49:02,639 --> 00:49:04,979 he's doing. In this case. That's what he's doing. And he's doing 732 00:49:04,979 --> 00:49:08,189 a very, very good job. Because he also does, you know, all the 733 00:49:08,189 --> 00:49:11,399 telegram, he's, you know, he's on the GitHub, so he gets all 734 00:49:11,399 --> 00:49:13,949 the feedback, and he's kind of that loop. And he has the 735 00:49:13,949 --> 00:49:18,839 perfect personality for to know. Yeah. And so I say to him, Hey, 736 00:49:18,839 --> 00:49:23,189 ma'am. I'm missing. I'm missing the amount. And, you know, we 737 00:49:23,189 --> 00:49:26,789 had this previously when they first launched with, with boose. 738 00:49:26,819 --> 00:49:28,889 You know, it also was you couldn't set the amount it was 739 00:49:28,889 --> 00:49:34,469 increments of 100. And, and, you know, I'd like out, you know, I 740 00:49:34,469 --> 00:49:37,049 think it's really important because numerology is often a 741 00:49:37,049 --> 00:49:40,229 part of the message. It's almost like the subject line. And he 742 00:49:40,229 --> 00:49:42,419 was like, Well, you know, we're gonna wait and see what what, 743 00:49:42,449 --> 00:49:46,139 you know what feedback we get. I said, Well, should I open an 744 00:49:46,139 --> 00:49:49,319 issue on the GitHub I said, and I sent him a couple of booster 745 00:49:49,319 --> 00:49:52,319 Graham messages. I copy and pasted stuff we got in, 746 00:49:52,619 --> 00:49:56,459 including one which I'm sure we will discuss today, which was a 747 00:49:56,459 --> 00:50:01,439 large boost to Graham and I said, you know, Dude, just just 748 00:50:01,439 --> 00:50:04,109 look at look at, look at the numbers, look at why it's 749 00:50:04,109 --> 00:50:08,729 important. And and then tell me that that doesn't make sense. 750 00:50:09,449 --> 00:50:12,239 And what I love about Roy's he said no need to open an issue. 751 00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:16,410 I guess you know, I 752 00:50:16,410 --> 00:50:20,220 still don't i don't think i haven't convinced about the 753 00:50:20,220 --> 00:50:23,520 booster Graham to all. And by the way that is confusing for 754 00:50:23,580 --> 00:50:27,660 me. But no one seems to care, everyone seems to like it. So in 755 00:50:27,660 --> 00:50:31,230 the midst of all this, Roy was on What's that? What's the name 756 00:50:31,230 --> 00:50:33,780 of the podcast, he was on with closing the lid and closing the 757 00:50:33,780 --> 00:50:39,690 loop which I was not subscribed to. But I am now I dig that. 758 00:50:40,260 --> 00:50:45,930 Because you have very good show and a very refreshing reminder 759 00:50:45,990 --> 00:50:51,720 of ROI while breeze their take and how they are approaching the 760 00:50:51,720 --> 00:50:56,790 internet. Not like they are web 3.0. But they want to facilitate 761 00:50:56,790 --> 00:50:59,700 everything with a payment system. So kind of going the 762 00:50:59,700 --> 00:51:02,910 opposite direction of what a lot a lot of other people are doing. 763 00:51:03,030 --> 00:51:08,460 It is, in fact, I'm very happy to boost the gram. Because even 764 00:51:08,460 --> 00:51:12,540 that he sees is not the way forward but he integrated it to 765 00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,900 because that's just what podcasting 2.0 has presented. 766 00:51:15,900 --> 00:51:21,090 And I appreciate that. I heard that he's doing live. And I'm 767 00:51:21,090 --> 00:51:27,000 going to translate what he said. He's going to create only fans 768 00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:30,930 for the lightning network. But it will be completely open. So 769 00:51:30,930 --> 00:51:34,290 anybody can can use it that way or in any other way. So a one to 770 00:51:34,290 --> 00:51:40,620 many live video streaming with streaming satoshis. Now, I hope 771 00:51:40,620 --> 00:51:44,100 my hope is that we can integrate that with the namespace spec 772 00:51:44,100 --> 00:51:46,200 because that's a lot of work that he won't have to think 773 00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:51,000 about. You know, because he a typical breeze, they want to do 774 00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,900 everything open protocols open source. And so I'm hoping that, 775 00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,210 you know, our solution will fit into what they're thinking 776 00:51:57,210 --> 00:51:57,540 there. 777 00:51:58,139 --> 00:51:59,969 I don't see why I wouldn't I mean that it 778 00:52:00,179 --> 00:52:03,329 well, you know, because there's a disconnect. This is where the 779 00:52:03,329 --> 00:52:09,329 disconnect is. They are not in the in the mastodon active as 780 00:52:09,329 --> 00:52:13,229 that's their culture of Bitcoin is more telegram. And so they 781 00:52:13,229 --> 00:52:16,079 don't even know that how far we are with activity pub and 782 00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:20,729 messaging breeze is going to do integrate with matrix 783 00:52:22,500 --> 00:52:25,530 that's well, that wouldn't stop them from here. They wouldn't 784 00:52:25,530 --> 00:52:29,280 stop them from the from the live only fans type? 785 00:52:29,699 --> 00:52:32,309 Oh, no, no, no, no, that it's two separate days. It's two 786 00:52:32,309 --> 00:52:36,029 separate things. But we're doing activity pub comments. That's, 787 00:52:36,029 --> 00:52:39,419 you know, that's the road, the path we're on clearly. And I 788 00:52:39,419 --> 00:52:41,459 think we'll see an implementation soon or there is 789 00:52:41,459 --> 00:52:47,459 an implementation. So now that that's coming, where matrix is 790 00:52:47,459 --> 00:52:49,829 just different, you know, it's just, it's, it's solving a 791 00:52:49,829 --> 00:52:53,279 different issue. And I don't think that that works 792 00:52:53,309 --> 00:52:58,469 necessarily for us anyway. My point is, that, you know, is so 793 00:52:58,469 --> 00:53:02,219 beautiful to have these things kind of come come together and 794 00:53:02,219 --> 00:53:08,399 meld. And in the midst of all this, Roy mentioned something 795 00:53:09,479 --> 00:53:12,899 about the company and I verified it with him. And since they 796 00:53:12,899 --> 00:53:18,419 implemented podcasting 2.0 they have made in fees Mind you, they 797 00:53:18,419 --> 00:53:26,639 take 5% about a Bitcoin and an entire bit an entire Bitcoin. He 798 00:53:26,639 --> 00:53:29,159 was gonna get me the precise information. But he said 799 00:53:29,159 --> 00:53:32,699 somewhere between 0.5 and one, but he thinks it's closer to 800 00:53:32,699 --> 00:53:37,019 one, GS and that and i and i believe that is without network 801 00:53:37,019 --> 00:53:37,589 fees. 802 00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:44,490 that's a that's a lot of jack. Ma that's, that tells me that 5% 803 00:53:45,150 --> 00:53:47,040 may be the magic number for apps. 804 00:53:47,130 --> 00:53:50,220 I Well, first of all, I don't know of a single person 805 00:53:50,220 --> 00:53:53,400 complaining about it. Now, if you have now they have an 806 00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:57,570 outstanding app they're doing this app breeze is is really 807 00:53:57,780 --> 00:54:01,200 quite a piece of work. So I don't know if everyone values 808 00:54:01,230 --> 00:54:05,310 every podcast app if the people using it are valuing it as a 809 00:54:05,310 --> 00:54:12,720 podcast app or as a as a Swiss Army Knife of Bitcoin. But I 810 00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:15,990 would like to say to our app developers, and really anybody I 811 00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:20,550 have three rules of business. And most app developers I know 812 00:54:20,580 --> 00:54:24,840 always violate number two. So the three rules are don't run 813 00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,680 out of money, go borrow it while you still have some. When you 814 00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:32,790 have no money is the best time to go find money to hear it is 815 00:54:32,850 --> 00:54:37,470 do not negotiate against yourself. And three, if you 816 00:54:37,470 --> 00:54:41,130 don't want to do something, raise the price. And this 817 00:54:41,130 --> 00:54:44,250 negotiating against yourself is something I've seen throughout 818 00:54:44,250 --> 00:54:48,150 my entire life. I've done it. It's very hard you put yourself 819 00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:53,910 into into its value for value, by definition is negotiation 820 00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:57,330 against yourself when you first start to do it. Oh my god, I'm 821 00:54:57,330 --> 00:55:01,920 begging for money. Change your word. Change your world, hey, 822 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:06,330 you're producing this show, step up. You don't ask you don't get. 823 00:55:06,930 --> 00:55:14,190 Right. And so, you know, it's always still a negotiation as to 824 00:55:14,190 --> 00:55:21,420 what you want to ask for your services. But Holy crap, I mean, 825 00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:26,430 that's a business. That's a business that can be a full 826 00:55:26,430 --> 00:55:30,360 time. And I think that, you know, Brees is, is focusing on a 827 00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:34,710 lot of different things. If they were only podcasting, 2.0, and 828 00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:37,470 they were integrating the video, that could be their business 829 00:55:37,500 --> 00:55:40,080 outside of all the other things they do, and not saying they 830 00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:44,160 should, by any means. But you know, think about what can be 831 00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:44,610 done, 832 00:55:45,900 --> 00:55:48,060 you know, had a similar conversation with Mitch in 833 00:55:48,060 --> 00:55:51,930 Nashville, we're just doing some napkin math about the value and 834 00:55:51,930 --> 00:55:54,720 salads and all that kind of thing. Yeah, I mean, breezes a 835 00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:58,140 little bit heavier user base, because of its Bitcoin, the 836 00:55:58,380 --> 00:56:03,660 Bitcoin draw there. But I mean, even even if it was just say, 837 00:56:03,690 --> 00:56:09,870 5%, and you're bringing in, you know, I don't know 500. Both out 838 00:56:09,900 --> 00:56:11,880 if, before you embark on that, 839 00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:16,320 just one little piece of data. What is not true, is that you 840 00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:20,700 need lots of users of your app to make good money. That is not 841 00:56:20,700 --> 00:56:24,900 true. And our our daily node report that we get, which shows 842 00:56:24,900 --> 00:56:28,650 the, which shows our earnings for the day, or on Sunday, for 843 00:56:28,650 --> 00:56:34,920 the week, on podcast index.org shows that oftentimes, we make 844 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:41,310 more money in our in our fees from booster grams, with far 845 00:56:41,310 --> 00:56:44,790 less transactions on certain apps. In fact, I can probably 846 00:56:44,790 --> 00:56:48,210 point towards types of people who might use a certain type of 847 00:56:48,210 --> 00:56:52,950 app who actually will boost more. So it's not it's it's 848 00:56:52,950 --> 00:56:58,950 really about the app, I think about experience that attracts 849 00:56:58,950 --> 00:57:02,520 people who use it in a certain manner. So you don't have to be 850 00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:08,130 the number one. The guy on the block with users to make a 851 00:57:08,130 --> 00:57:10,170 decent living, does that make sense? what I'm saying? 852 00:57:10,860 --> 00:57:14,040 Well, yeah, I agree. And that kind of fits with what I was 853 00:57:14,070 --> 00:57:17,940 saying is, we were thinking, Okay, let's just say baseline, 854 00:57:17,940 --> 00:57:23,940 you could, let's just say you can make $500 a month with at a 855 00:57:23,940 --> 00:57:30,420 five, let's just say a 5%. From streaming sets, within? Well, I 856 00:57:30,420 --> 00:57:32,550 mean, that may not sound like a lot. But then what you've done 857 00:57:32,550 --> 00:57:35,400 is you've, you've maybe covered your infrastructure cost. And 858 00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:39,330 now all of your Apple subscription annual subscription 859 00:57:39,330 --> 00:57:42,240 payments for your app that people subscribed to. That's all 860 00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:46,050 gravy at that point, like, you can make day even if the day 861 00:57:46,770 --> 00:57:50,550 Hold on, let me take you back. You don't need $500 a month, all 862 00:57:50,550 --> 00:57:56,310 you needed was that $150 to get that tag renewed, your podcast 863 00:57:56,340 --> 00:58:02,580 audience would have boosted that to you? Yes, yeah. Yeah, that's 864 00:58:02,580 --> 00:58:06,690 his scenario. Yeah, cuz you if once you've got the the flow 865 00:58:06,690 --> 00:58:12,000 there, you can just make people can boost straight to your app. 866 00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,570 And if they know what you need, they can know people will step 867 00:58:15,570 --> 00:58:17,640 up, and they'll help and they'll do it. And 868 00:58:17,639 --> 00:58:22,109 I and I'm predicting to you now and I have a very annoying habit 869 00:58:22,349 --> 00:58:25,259 of saying things are going to happen. And then it takes 10 870 00:58:25,259 --> 00:58:31,049 years, but I am predicting for you. The way forward is not on 871 00:58:31,079 --> 00:58:35,519 mass media. That is not the trend. It's hard to admit it. 872 00:58:35,789 --> 00:58:40,409 The ratings are network television is losing ratings 873 00:58:40,409 --> 00:58:45,419 left and light left and right. The ratings company Nielsen, in 874 00:58:45,419 --> 00:58:49,709 fact is under attack. Because the network's don't like how low 875 00:58:49,709 --> 00:58:52,769 the numbers are that they report. They've lost their 876 00:58:52,769 --> 00:58:56,999 certification. Nielsen, the ratings company has lost their 877 00:58:56,999 --> 00:59:01,289 certification, because they you know, they reported six to 10% 878 00:59:01,289 --> 00:59:04,319 lower ratings than was fair, according to the network's 879 00:59:04,319 --> 00:59:08,249 during the pandemic, and now they're all moving towards plus 880 00:59:08,249 --> 00:59:12,209 three numbers and video on demand numbers and YouTube 881 00:59:12,209 --> 00:59:16,109 numbers. They are changing right before our very eyes the very 882 00:59:16,109 --> 00:59:21,029 definition of success in order to hop on the Silicon Valley 883 00:59:21,029 --> 00:59:24,449 bandwagon which is Oh, you watch the video for three seconds 884 00:59:24,539 --> 00:59:28,349 that's the view Yeah, yeah pay up advertiser 885 00:59:28,409 --> 00:59:31,949 that's what they're doing. So Nielsen is bogus but you but 886 00:59:31,949 --> 00:59:34,919 YouTube is somehow has more accurate numbers. Exactly. 887 00:59:35,219 --> 00:59:38,339 What they want that they want that again, I remind us that 888 00:59:38,369 --> 00:59:43,859 there was no outrage over a 27% dip in in the numbers on 889 00:59:43,859 --> 00:59:46,739 podcasting. There was no outrage because oh, it's just because 890 00:59:46,739 --> 00:59:49,019 Apple auto downloaded. I mean, 891 00:59:49,050 --> 00:59:50,580 it was numbers were more accurate. 892 00:59:50,790 --> 00:59:53,100 Yeah, the numbers exactly more accurate than ever. Now. That's 893 00:59:53,100 --> 00:59:57,030 been extrapolated and what it doesn't matter. The game is 894 00:59:57,030 --> 01:00:03,930 over. It's just over advertised has a place and, and it doesn't 895 01:00:03,930 --> 01:00:08,100 seem to be in podcasting that can take into any kind of scale 896 01:00:08,100 --> 01:00:12,960 without massive compromise. Every single Podcast Network in 897 01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:17,820 the world has a division or is building out or is doing 898 01:00:17,820 --> 01:00:21,360 exclusively podcasting for corporate clients. 899 01:00:22,710 --> 01:00:23,730 Yes. 900 01:00:25,110 --> 01:00:29,220 Even the swanky new guys on the scene that Cridland interviewed 901 01:00:29,220 --> 01:00:32,070 all we're gonna create great content for podcast people can 902 01:00:32,070 --> 01:00:37,860 monetize? No, they are creating things for corporations, which 903 01:00:37,860 --> 01:00:40,590 is the same that happened with blogs, which is the same what 904 01:00:40,590 --> 01:00:44,190 happened with websites, it's always the same. We all come 905 01:00:44,190 --> 01:00:46,680 out, we sell stuff to go We'll make it we'll make it sound 906 01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:50,250 authentic. We understand the hip new audience, short lived 907 01:00:50,250 --> 01:00:56,250 strategy? And the answer is, we have in fact, we I'm gonna say 908 01:00:56,250 --> 01:01:01,710 use the word, your podcast, what is a pod? The pod is around the 909 01:01:01,710 --> 01:01:07,350 podcast it is eating is inclusive of the people who are 910 01:01:07,380 --> 01:01:12,960 participating in the podcast through multiple feedback 911 01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:18,300 channels. And collectively, you live in that pod. And whether 912 01:01:18,300 --> 01:01:21,480 that's a tribe or whatever you want to call it and these pods 913 01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,900 like bubbles, and sometimes two bubbles connect and they meld 914 01:01:25,110 --> 01:01:28,290 and then there's crossover. And maybe you're part of a bigger 915 01:01:28,290 --> 01:01:31,710 bubble. It's like the freedom raft in Snow Crash. If anyone 916 01:01:31,740 --> 01:01:34,320 actually read the book to everyone, everyone could talk 917 01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:35,130 about metaverse. 918 01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:40,110 I don't know how I feel about your use of the word pie is very 919 01:01:40,110 --> 01:01:41,130 conflicted inside. 920 01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:45,360 I know I do this to throw you off. off balance, Dave, just to 921 01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,600 see they're still listening. total success. So a big thing 922 01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:52,680 that I loved was the leaderboard of booster grams. Who was doing 923 01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,470 this? Because this blew me away. I didn't even consider this as 924 01:01:55,470 --> 01:01:56,070 an idea. 925 01:01:56,430 --> 01:02:00,090 Oh, you talk about an balls? Yes. And balls dot space. Yeah, 926 01:02:00,090 --> 01:02:04,350 so what we did there was they had this leaderboard, it's 927 01:02:04,380 --> 01:02:07,530 hooked into just standard lightning messages where you 928 01:02:07,530 --> 01:02:12,540 post a message back to their lightning address their pub key. 929 01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:16,200 And it's that WhatsApp style message, that same thing that 930 01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:21,240 like Sphinx uses. So you post that in a TLV in then whoever, 931 01:02:21,810 --> 01:02:25,920 whoever has mucins, the higher amount, they move up the message 932 01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:29,040 board. So they're like on top, it's like King of the Hill. And 933 01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:33,090 then so I love this. I thought I was like Well, you've got a 934 01:02:33,090 --> 01:02:36,960 whole group of podcast apps out here they can send keys in. So 935 01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:39,570 why don't so what I did was I went in there and in the index 936 01:02:39,570 --> 01:02:44,640 and created a dummy podcast called m m boss leaderboard or 937 01:02:44,670 --> 01:02:48,180 billboard or something like that. He can find it index so 938 01:02:48,180 --> 01:02:51,540 that if you pull it up in your podcast app in boost it with a 939 01:02:51,540 --> 01:02:54,660 booster gram, it shows up on their on their leader. 940 01:02:56,610 --> 01:02:57,990 How do I spell m boss? 941 01:02:58,740 --> 01:03:00,120 A MB o SS? 942 01:03:01,679 --> 01:03:03,239 And whilst that space he said, 943 01:03:03,630 --> 01:03:06,930 Yeah, I think it's I think the podcast is called like, 944 01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,660 Oh, no, I was just wanting to see there. I want to see the the 945 01:03:09,660 --> 01:03:10,680 website first. 946 01:03:10,949 --> 01:03:12,179 It's right there on the bottom. 947 01:03:12,630 --> 01:03:16,140 Yeah. Oh, okay. I see it. Oh, the key Sen. Billboard. 948 01:03:16,590 --> 01:03:17,850 Yeah, yeah, keys. board. 949 01:03:17,850 --> 01:03:21,090 That's it. Oh, that's very cute. 950 01:03:21,570 --> 01:03:22,170 Yeah, 951 01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:26,970 but this idea I mean, is you can take this so far with donations, 952 01:03:27,780 --> 01:03:32,820 you know, for certain levels of recognition for historical you 953 01:03:32,820 --> 01:03:36,000 know, I was here. Here's my proof that I was a part of this 954 01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:41,520 show, you know, in in 1989. It's what we've been saying. Since 955 01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,340 the beginning is once you have programmable money, 956 01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:48,360 and the gate is open, it's Yeah, you open that star gate, man. 957 01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:52,500 You can't there's nothing you can do all kinds of crazy stuff. 958 01:03:53,610 --> 01:03:56,820 You can see on here on the on the leaderboard, it's got this 959 01:03:56,820 --> 01:03:59,820 is a boost from pod friend. And there's another one testing from 960 01:03:59,820 --> 01:04:00,420 pod friend 961 01:04:01,770 --> 01:04:07,200 is awesome. Also, I wanted to congratulate Steven B. Yes, we 962 01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:11,880 succeed, we succeed it works we successfully use the Curio 963 01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:19,020 caster RSS generator for the previous episode. He actually 964 01:04:19,050 --> 01:04:22,680 had a mid stream fix a couple days laters for the whitespace 965 01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:27,330 is in the show notes which I changed and re uploaded. But the 966 01:04:27,330 --> 01:04:30,990 point is it went well it went smoothly it went very fast I 967 01:04:30,990 --> 01:04:33,540 felt so comfortable that after three and a half hours of no 968 01:04:33,540 --> 01:04:35,910 agenda and that's just the podcast we get to getting up at 969 01:04:35,910 --> 01:04:40,110 five I felt comfortable enough to publish yesterday's no agenda 970 01:04:40,110 --> 01:04:43,140 episode through the RSS generator which by the way that 971 01:04:43,170 --> 01:04:50,190 that is that is a big a big leap of faith because a lot of shit 972 01:04:50,190 --> 01:04:54,090 happens when you when you screw up the no agenda feed is a lot 973 01:04:54,090 --> 01:04:57,900 of social media to deal with and a lot of emails, all men less 974 01:04:57,900 --> 01:04:58,410 helpful. 975 01:04:58,740 --> 01:05:03,750 How much how many So how much how did you get any feedback at 976 01:05:03,750 --> 01:05:04,710 all? Or was it seamless 977 01:05:05,759 --> 01:05:08,909 was completely seamless I, here's, here's the a few things 978 01:05:08,909 --> 01:05:15,569 that I, that I noticed one, just on the because I love the whole 979 01:05:15,569 --> 01:05:20,759 process. And of course, this is a desktop I realized that I had 980 01:05:20,759 --> 01:05:24,569 to upload my image since we do a new image every single time. 981 01:05:24,869 --> 01:05:27,479 Because that just copy when you create a new episode, you can 982 01:05:27,479 --> 01:05:31,679 copy the previous contents. And there was there were some UI UX 983 01:05:31,679 --> 01:05:34,169 stuff that screwed me up and it screwed up some other things 984 01:05:34,169 --> 01:05:38,879 with chap doesn't matter, that's part of the testing process. So 985 01:05:38,879 --> 01:05:42,959 I had to actually paste in a new URL, but then immediately that 986 01:05:42,959 --> 01:05:45,989 picture shows up in the, in the editor interface, so I felt 987 01:05:45,989 --> 01:05:48,419 really comfortable that I'd done it, right. You know, that's like 988 01:05:48,419 --> 01:05:52,259 those little feedback things. And I've been, you know, devore 989 01:05:52,259 --> 01:05:55,349 I can I even got, you know, an image for him for the for the 990 01:05:55,829 --> 01:06:00,089 first person tag, although not, as I understand, now, those 991 01:06:00,089 --> 01:06:02,819 don't really show up if they're at the episode level. So we need 992 01:06:02,819 --> 01:06:08,159 that at the at the feed level. The I mean, it was, it was copy 993 01:06:08,159 --> 01:06:10,649 paste for the show notes, you know, there's just a little 994 01:06:10,649 --> 01:06:16,349 extra setup because we hadn't set up the person tag, etc. And 995 01:06:16,409 --> 01:06:20,669 it was good to go now I output the file. And you know, I 996 01:06:20,669 --> 01:06:24,899 renamed it, and I opened it up, I just double checked it, this 997 01:06:24,899 --> 01:06:28,199 whole process was much faster than it usually takes on the 998 01:06:28,199 --> 01:06:32,219 freedom controller, because a lot of was already prefilled out 999 01:06:32,219 --> 01:06:36,149 because you know, it just whatever it was, it was easier. 1000 01:06:36,299 --> 01:06:39,269 Maybe it's easier to make for me to make mistakes in the outline, 1001 01:06:39,269 --> 01:06:42,989 I'm not quite sure it also it has sections. So the freedom 1002 01:06:42,989 --> 01:06:45,839 controller outline is just one big outline. All the sections 1003 01:06:45,839 --> 01:06:49,229 are there and you change all the values. And this is like okay, 1004 01:06:49,229 --> 01:06:51,659 here's the show notes section now you're done with that you go 1005 01:06:51,659 --> 01:06:54,839 to the next one yeah, so you kind of go into in a checklist 1006 01:06:54,839 --> 01:06:59,249 fashion which is good for you know, crazy helicopter pilots 1007 01:06:59,249 --> 01:07:04,829 like me. What I realized and this is where I congratulate 1008 01:07:04,829 --> 01:07:10,619 Stephen B is I am now completely dependent upon Curio casters RSS 1009 01:07:10,619 --> 01:07:13,559 generator, for I have now skipped an episode in the 1010 01:07:13,559 --> 01:07:18,449 freedom controller, if his if his server is down. If it's not 1011 01:07:18,449 --> 01:07:24,449 responding, I cannot post an episode. So I hereby also demand 1012 01:07:25,079 --> 01:07:30,749 that that we put a 5% split to two Curio caster in this feed 1013 01:07:31,590 --> 01:07:33,360 in the podcast in the 2.0 feed. 1014 01:07:33,389 --> 01:07:37,319 Yeah, because he's not taken it. He's taken his 1% or whatever. 1015 01:07:38,159 --> 01:07:42,599 He is now a critical part of of this show. Because he's 1016 01:07:42,599 --> 01:07:45,089 infrastructure he's infrastructure if it breaks, 1017 01:07:45,479 --> 01:07:48,419 what are we going to do? I mean, I can create I can I can't even 1018 01:07:48,449 --> 01:07:50,669 I can't create the new episode. We're gonna have to go to 1019 01:07:50,669 --> 01:07:53,159 freedom controller cut and paste the new now it's not going to 1020 01:07:53,159 --> 01:07:53,579 happen. 1021 01:07:54,119 --> 01:07:56,909 Yeah, no, you once you skip an episode, you're in the mirror, 1022 01:07:56,909 --> 01:07:57,359 you're in the 1023 01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:03,600 host host host host. So I've put the future and safety and 1024 01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:07,680 security of my business partners and my family, including two 1025 01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:12,750 stepdaughters and family in Indiana and Chicago, in your 1026 01:08:12,750 --> 01:08:13,770 hand Steven B. 1027 01:08:14,219 --> 01:08:18,089 This is how the vortex works Steven you you've not you're not 1028 01:08:18,089 --> 01:08:20,609 these these sucked into the vortex 1029 01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:24,330 I also think it's a seminal moment more people than ever I 1030 01:08:24,330 --> 01:08:27,960 think was a verge article by talking about self hosting for 1031 01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,930 the very reasons we took the first portion of the show to 1032 01:08:30,930 --> 01:08:36,780 discuss people are moving away from from the established 1033 01:08:36,780 --> 01:08:41,250 networks and and and I will just say it again they're moving into 1034 01:08:41,250 --> 01:08:49,170 pods but the mastodon server is a perfect example. mastodon is 1035 01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:52,860 is a self hosting even though it's you know, we kind of have a 1036 01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:57,030 solutions provider for this but it's not a Silicon Valley 1037 01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:00,990 venture funded network now we still could actually have 1038 01:09:00,990 --> 01:09:05,070 problems with with with mass Oh dot host who host on podcast 1039 01:09:05,070 --> 01:09:06,120 index style social 1040 01:09:07,710 --> 01:09:09,060 because so far they 1041 01:09:09,180 --> 01:09:14,940 know I mean, they I've sent people there and said start your 1042 01:09:14,940 --> 01:09:17,430 thing over there and then it's like oh, no, we do we don't 1043 01:09:17,430 --> 01:09:20,880 accept anyone who wants to federate with no agenda. No 1044 01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:25,050 agenda social media. Yeah, it is you know because they they don't 1045 01:09:25,050 --> 01:09:28,620 want wrong think on their servers. I'm not too worried now 1046 01:09:28,620 --> 01:09:31,470 I'm not too worried about now. So no gender social calm is you 1047 01:09:31,470 --> 01:09:36,930 know, self hosted that's Matt Hamilton. podcast indexes master 1048 01:09:36,930 --> 01:09:41,460 dot host and I don't ever expect any problems but it could be it 1049 01:09:41,460 --> 01:09:43,650 could be anything you know, someone could just say I don't I 1050 01:09:43,650 --> 01:09:46,140 think this is wrong with this person is saying and I think 1051 01:09:46,140 --> 01:09:50,550 it's bad and should be reported or some of the lots of the 1052 01:09:50,550 --> 01:09:54,600 reporting goes on. That's not done. But if you're self hosted, 1053 01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:57,480 then at least they can't take away your community your pod, 1054 01:09:57,750 --> 01:10:01,380 but you can easily get blocked by by other instances forcing 1055 01:10:01,380 --> 01:10:08,640 people to find yet basically, Silicon Valley is now recognized 1056 01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:13,740 in the network known as the internet as a bug. And we're 1057 01:10:13,740 --> 01:10:15,060 just routing around it 1058 01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:21,930 is no problem. It's a it's a firewall that you have to play 1059 01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:24,780 punch through with with an you know, NAT traversal. 1060 01:10:25,410 --> 01:10:28,020 Yeah, exactly. You just Yeah, exactly. 1061 01:10:28,890 --> 01:10:34,560 And like that. That's, I mean, to tour. The tour. I think a 1062 01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:36,840 tour is a stupid idea. From his standpoint, 1063 01:10:36,870 --> 01:10:41,700 it's undervalued. of privacy. No, it's undervalued. I'll tell 1064 01:10:41,700 --> 01:10:45,000 you why it's undervalued for me. I couldn't for the life of me 1065 01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:50,100 get any ports open properly on my sub Yes, my sub my knotted 1066 01:10:50,100 --> 01:10:55,260 knotted Bitcoin node. My raspy Blitz, but boy, does it work 1067 01:10:55,260 --> 01:10:56,070 with tour. 1068 01:10:56,460 --> 01:10:59,010 Yep. That's why I'm like if you're if you're trying to use 1069 01:10:59,010 --> 01:11:02,430 Tor to like, you know, get away from be shady and get away from 1070 01:11:02,430 --> 01:11:04,770 the government. You know, you got another urinated. You 1071 01:11:04,770 --> 01:11:06,780 got Yeah, you got another thing coming to the endpoint. 1072 01:11:07,230 --> 01:11:10,980 Yeah, but if, but if you need to set up your stuff without using 1073 01:11:10,980 --> 01:11:14,040 something stupid like UPnP. towards your guy. 1074 01:11:14,070 --> 01:11:15,900 Yeah. Yeah, totally. There's 1075 01:11:15,900 --> 01:11:19,590 no, there's no ports. There's nothing to just work. Beautiful, 1076 01:11:19,770 --> 01:11:23,490 is you can run your own servers, your own sites, everything from 1077 01:11:23,490 --> 01:11:24,270 it is awesome. 1078 01:11:24,390 --> 01:11:27,690 Yeah. It's not the fastest in the world. But it gets the job 1079 01:11:27,690 --> 01:11:28,920 done. gets the job done. 1080 01:11:30,480 --> 01:11:37,320 I like the way that our episodes are breaking down here. our 1081 01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:41,850 interview with open from last That was awesome. A lot of 1082 01:11:41,940 --> 01:11:43,410 people commented on that. Yeah, a 1083 01:11:43,410 --> 01:11:48,750 lot of people commented on that. I was just smiling from ear to 1084 01:11:48,750 --> 01:11:52,050 ear. When I was x. I listened to the show again, because I was 1085 01:11:52,050 --> 01:11:54,540 just I listened to most of our shows, I guess. 1086 01:11:55,860 --> 01:11:58,290 Do you listen, you listen to it? Because I listen to our shows 1087 01:11:58,290 --> 01:11:58,560 too. 1088 01:11:58,590 --> 01:12:04,380 Yeah, I sometimes I'll listen to no agenda for a bit or to see 1089 01:12:04,380 --> 01:12:08,010 how you know how something came across. You know that thank you 1090 01:12:08,010 --> 01:12:13,680 drug for your chapter work. Mo facts I cannot listen to again. 1091 01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:19,320 Because that's, you know, I I have my own takeaway and it's 1092 01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:22,800 just I just want to leave it where it is. But this show y'all 1093 01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:26,790 listen all the way through. And so you know, it was so fun to 1094 01:12:26,790 --> 01:12:31,620 hear him say when he he had didn't really know about booster 1095 01:12:31,620 --> 01:12:34,020 grams. And then he's just like, you guys are magicians, 1096 01:12:35,370 --> 01:12:36,600 Gandalf and Dumbledore. 1097 01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:40,140 He cracked me up man. 1098 01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:45,000 My favorite part was my favorite part personally was when you 1099 01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,760 called out the German people for their genocide in Namibia. 1100 01:12:49,050 --> 01:12:54,630 It's true. I know. But it's who the who knew who knew that the 1101 01:12:54,630 --> 01:12:59,340 German genocide test was in Namibia. So we got a guest 1102 01:12:59,340 --> 01:13:02,730 coming. I'm like, Oh, well, here's here's my standard for 1103 01:13:02,730 --> 01:13:07,170 anything in Africa. I will search for name of African 1104 01:13:07,170 --> 01:13:11,040 country plus China. That's where I start. Yeah. So if you want to 1105 01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:13,830 know what happened in Guinea this week, you know, where, 1106 01:13:14,370 --> 01:13:17,490 where all of a sudden, there's a military coup, where the guy 1107 01:13:17,490 --> 01:13:23,730 trained by the CIA, G and then you see g a very rare moment g 1108 01:13:23,730 --> 01:13:26,340 says, Hey, man, you know, this is not cool. But this is our 1109 01:13:26,340 --> 01:13:30,990 guy, because they completely own Guinea is like, oh, 1110 01:13:31,020 --> 01:13:34,740 anyway. Yeah, that's like a Middle Eastern name of Middle 1111 01:13:34,740 --> 01:13:38,460 Eastern country plus pipeline. standard fare. 1112 01:13:38,490 --> 01:13:40,800 Yeah. That's that's how you do it. That's how you learn about 1113 01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:42,330 the world. That's your history lesson. 1114 01:13:44,250 --> 01:13:46,140 Do we want to boost pranks on 1115 01:13:46,140 --> 01:13:48,960 people? Yeah, we want to boost the grams first. And then we'll 1116 01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:53,670 do the the cookbooks This is the value for value feedback loop 1117 01:13:53,670 --> 01:13:56,970 and it's getting more fun every single day, particularly with 1118 01:13:56,970 --> 01:14:00,480 booster grams and people are switching from Pay Pal to 1119 01:14:00,480 --> 01:14:03,960 booster gram and really appreciate that. So you can go 1120 01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:06,990 to podcast index.org get on the bottom there's a Donate button, 1121 01:14:06,990 --> 01:14:10,470 the red one you click on that or even in this app right now, if 1122 01:14:10,470 --> 01:14:12,660 you're using a podcasting two point app, there's a funding 1123 01:14:12,660 --> 01:14:16,080 link. I don't say this one enough. You just tap on that 1124 01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:19,950 where it says I think in like pod verse it's a little money, 1125 01:14:20,190 --> 01:14:23,970 little money coin dollar thing and tap on that. It'll open 1126 01:14:23,970 --> 01:14:27,840 right up. You can send us your Fiat fun coupons. But we love 1127 01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:30,240 the new boosted grams and want to see as many people as 1128 01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:33,150 possible switch. Who do we have to thank today, Jay? Dave? 1129 01:14:33,750 --> 01:14:35,760 shave? I said shave. Yeah, I 1130 01:14:35,759 --> 01:14:40,799 don't know why. Let's see. Well, jedem we have a mic. We have 1131 01:14:40,799 --> 01:14:45,629 Mike Newman. Might he is the keeper of the team's repo that 1132 01:14:45,959 --> 01:14:48,389 gives proper credit to everybody for their for their 1133 01:14:48,389 --> 01:14:50,579 contributions to podcasting. tupuna 1134 01:14:50,700 --> 01:14:51,960 Ah, yes, yes. 1135 01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:54,810 Thank you for doing that. Mike Newman, you know what I've got a 1136 01:14:54,810 --> 01:14:58,920 problem with. I don't think I do it all the time. But I have a 1137 01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:03,870 problem with smacking I'll start that way and I need to stop. 1138 01:15:04,170 --> 01:15:09,000 It's really it's really more a it's a, you can remove that with 1139 01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:13,110 your processing it I don't do you hear it that much on the 1140 01:15:13,110 --> 01:15:18,270 show? I don't. I don't know. I don't know hear me. Okay. No, I 1141 01:15:18,270 --> 01:15:21,090 filter all that out. In fact, you sound like a woman on the 1142 01:15:21,090 --> 01:15:21,450 show. 1143 01:15:24,870 --> 01:15:32,820 We can talk later. Mike Newman gave us 77,777 SATs. 1144 01:15:33,450 --> 01:15:35,130 This was the one I showed Roy. 1145 01:15:37,140 --> 01:15:39,120 He's like, Oh, yeah, that numerology thing. That's pretty 1146 01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:39,300 good. 1147 01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:41,700 Well, but truly, it didn't matter. It wouldn't have 1148 01:15:41,700 --> 01:15:47,610 mattered if it was 777 or 77 for this astronomical number, but it 1149 01:15:47,610 --> 01:15:51,930 was beautiful because it just come in that day. Let me just 1150 01:15:51,930 --> 01:15:54,990 grab something from today's batch. Oh, look what I found. 1151 01:15:55,170 --> 01:15:56,190 What is Mike say? 1152 01:15:56,969 --> 01:16:02,099 Mike says Adam wants these briefs. So this is a PC 2.0 1153 01:16:02,099 --> 01:16:05,609 birthday booster slam that launches me over the T shirt 1154 01:16:05,609 --> 01:16:09,509 threshold. phase four namespace looks halt. Thank you for your 1155 01:16:09,509 --> 01:16:11,519 core carries. Love is lit. 1156 01:16:13,620 --> 01:16:17,640 Man, thank you so much. David Newman. I love that. I love 1157 01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:20,970 that. And also congratulations to the lightning network. 1158 01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:22,500 Yes, 1159 01:16:22,590 --> 01:16:26,670 I mean, that's that's that's not that's not a micro payment. You 1160 01:16:26,670 --> 01:16:29,520 know, that's a that's a baller boost if we ever saw one. 1161 01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:35,520 Let's see. He sent he's clearly sent in some accounting here and 1162 01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:41,850 he said 36 that was $36 at the time he boosted Yes, this is a 1163 01:16:41,850 --> 01:16:43,650 big boost. That's a badass 1164 01:16:43,650 --> 01:16:46,140 boost. Yes and T shirt on the way. 1165 01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:52,290 Yeah, man. Thanks, Mike. Thank you, Mike. See some Tell me if 1166 01:16:52,290 --> 01:16:55,530 you think this is the case. It looks like all the breeze. 1167 01:16:55,860 --> 01:17:00,240 booster grams are are anonymous. They don't have names with them. 1168 01:17:00,570 --> 01:17:04,290 Yeah, they don't because there's no there's no there's no name to 1169 01:17:04,290 --> 01:17:06,180 put in the app. Gosh, I 1170 01:17:06,180 --> 01:17:08,610 guess I missed that in the message. I'm 1171 01:17:08,639 --> 01:17:13,229 I'm I missed that one. Crap. Something Oh, but that's going 1172 01:17:13,229 --> 01:17:15,689 to open up a whole new candidate can of worms. 1173 01:17:16,590 --> 01:17:18,960 Well, just know that if you're boosting through breeze and you 1174 01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:21,930 want credit, you got to put it in the message put in messenger. 1175 01:17:23,310 --> 01:17:26,550 Anonymous 1000 SATs is boost grand number two because the 1176 01:17:26,550 --> 01:17:27,990 first one was only 100 SATs. Yeah. 1177 01:17:27,990 --> 01:17:32,190 Thank you. There you go. You did not negotiate against yourself. 1178 01:17:32,490 --> 01:17:32,910 No. 1179 01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:38,730 Another breeze anonymous 1000 SATs. Oh, this is not this is 1180 01:17:38,730 --> 01:17:42,420 not anonymous because it says love from satoshis. Does stream 1181 01:17:43,980 --> 01:17:48,780 satoshis dot stream who opened it? not one but two to 5 million 1182 01:17:48,780 --> 01:17:50,070 SAP channels to us. 1183 01:17:50,790 --> 01:17:53,820 Oh, yeah, there's big channels, although I think they can't what 1184 01:17:53,820 --> 01:17:54,360 big channels 1185 01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:59,130 you have. I know. Right? But and I think that they've pushed a 1186 01:17:59,130 --> 01:18:01,980 lot of that first one to our end. So you know, we're 1187 01:18:01,980 --> 01:18:03,270 basically balanced. 1188 01:18:03,870 --> 01:18:04,380 Oh, well. 1189 01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:07,650 Yeah. Because they they give us a piece of when people are 1190 01:18:07,650 --> 01:18:09,960 taking it out. They give us a percentage. That's where they 1191 01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:12,870 help us. And that's really appreciated. 1192 01:18:13,770 --> 01:18:17,250 That service is getting tired. They're doing good stuff. See? 1193 01:18:17,580 --> 01:18:22,260 anonymous from breeze for 100 SATs. Oh, this must be the the 1194 01:18:22,260 --> 01:18:27,000 f4 mentioned 100 set mistake in the messages. A fat fingered 1195 01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:40,110 this. Okay. See? arrows, arrow statica D The Who? He who 1196 01:18:40,110 --> 01:18:46,650 invented the term booster. gram. Yes. Gave us 10,000 SATs. Yes. 1197 01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:50,670 You expect that you expect the booster grandfather? The booster 1198 01:18:50,700 --> 01:18:54,570 the booster dad, you'd expect you'd expect him to you know to 1199 01:18:54,570 --> 01:18:59,190 know what a true boost is? Oh yeah, that's a 10k is a boost 1200 01:18:59,190 --> 01:18:59,730 baby. 1201 01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:02,490 Well, I mean, you get to determine you get to say what is 1202 01:19:02,490 --> 01:19:04,650 a podcast and what is not and he gets to determine what a 1203 01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:05,730 histogram is. That's right. 1204 01:19:06,059 --> 01:19:08,249 And so we're oh it's all copacetic 1205 01:19:08,519 --> 01:19:12,029 Yeah, I had to pull over and boost because some guy in Africa 1206 01:19:12,029 --> 01:19:14,189 just said the word booster grant I'm psyched about 1207 01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:20,940 of course. You did that bro. You created that in that fun? It's 1208 01:19:20,940 --> 01:19:24,660 like it's like you know it's like the the first the first 1209 01:19:24,660 --> 01:19:27,210 confetti from which swings did first 1210 01:19:27,900 --> 01:19:30,660 no Yeah, you do and it's like who are you 1211 01:19:30,690 --> 01:19:33,150 and I just see it everywhere you know as it makes you feel good 1212 01:19:33,150 --> 01:19:34,710 makes you feel part of a pod. 1213 01:19:35,790 --> 01:19:43,950 Stop offering my system gave us 49,049 said holy 1214 01:19:43,950 --> 01:19:46,980 crap. Boost Thank you so much. 1215 01:19:47,430 --> 01:19:51,450 Over Citadel checking in for the board meeting boost. Nice. 1216 01:19:54,390 --> 01:19:59,040 Little we got here. Our buddy Karen. Karen down from the mere 1217 01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:00,600 mortals podcast. Listen to this 1218 01:20:00,630 --> 01:20:05,340 great appearance, Dave. Oh, thank great you're on an 1219 01:20:05,340 --> 01:20:08,520 interview tour. I was not informed because I typically 1220 01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:12,990 like to drive the campaign bus but okay. You want on a full on? 1221 01:20:13,020 --> 01:20:17,850 You've been on the bus cast, you're on the mere mortals. The 1222 01:20:17,850 --> 01:20:20,940 mere mortals was really good. Oh, thanks. 1223 01:20:22,500 --> 01:20:23,370 Karen Greg, 1224 01:20:23,580 --> 01:20:28,050 it seriously very, it was, yeah, you have such a good demeanor 1225 01:20:28,050 --> 01:20:32,670 about you. Thank you, and you're very complimentary of me. So 1226 01:20:32,670 --> 01:20:34,470 again, a great appearance. 1227 01:20:37,980 --> 01:20:44,760 Boost incoming karrin gave us 11 123 sets. And he says he 1228 01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:47,640 always he always has really good notes. He says open was such a 1229 01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:51,030 blast amazing energy. Is there any sort of way to notify or 1230 01:20:51,030 --> 01:20:54,930 maybe emphasize to a new podcast or enabling value for value on 1231 01:20:54,930 --> 01:20:58,530 podcast or wallet calm to alert them about the power of booster 1232 01:20:58,530 --> 01:21:01,710 grams actually sent open a booster gram a month ago and 1233 01:21:01,710 --> 01:21:05,580 like you mentioned it's nice to have that loop closed so that I 1234 01:21:05,610 --> 01:21:08,040 as a listener, have a good assurance that my messages are 1235 01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:10,530 going through. Great to have you back after the break and 1236 01:21:10,530 --> 01:21:12,870 congrats on reaching the 2.0 anniversary. 1237 01:21:13,380 --> 01:21:18,270 Thank you Now did I know we opened a channel to open did he 1238 01:21:18,270 --> 01:21:20,790 get the script is he squared squared away in the booster gram 1239 01:21:20,790 --> 01:21:23,190 script so he's got all that well I 1240 01:21:23,190 --> 01:21:26,940 sent it to him and he said he's not real great at Python but he 1241 01:21:26,940 --> 01:21:30,150 would tell me if he needs help. Okay and I haven't heard back so 1242 01:21:30,150 --> 01:21:31,110 I'm gonna assume 1243 01:21:31,110 --> 01:21:36,510 because I also want to put How do you know if I can do this? 1244 01:21:37,230 --> 01:21:42,930 Can we go and wonder if in the Curio caster RSS generator can I 1245 01:21:42,930 --> 01:21:46,620 go I don't Can I go back and edit a previous episode because 1246 01:21:46,620 --> 01:21:49,200 I'd like to put him in the episode level block 1247 01:21:49,830 --> 01:21:51,180 down man I got no clue. 1248 01:21:52,230 --> 01:21:56,340 How about this? How about just I'm sorry to interrupt but for 1249 01:21:56,370 --> 01:22:01,650 for today. Why don't we put just as a test to see how it works 1250 01:22:01,770 --> 01:22:07,860 with Curio caster it was an episode, episode level split. 1251 01:22:07,860 --> 01:22:12,810 Yeah. Now I know if it reads if we have episode level splits, do 1252 01:22:12,810 --> 01:22:15,660 I have to put everybody in there otherwise they don't get paid? 1253 01:22:15,660 --> 01:22:19,320 Or if it's or does it always look at the default too and you 1254 01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:22,860 know, like kind of the way everything works in RSS. 1255 01:22:23,310 --> 01:22:26,250 It's a full override full override and look Yeah, it's 1256 01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:28,560 only going to look it's not going to like merge it with the 1257 01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:29,070 channel. 1258 01:22:29,100 --> 01:22:33,810 Okay, hold on. So if I go to he was on episode was that 50 to 1259 01:22:33,930 --> 01:22:35,790 two? Yes. Okay, so 1260 01:22:35,790 --> 01:22:40,050 and if I just say turn on RSS editor Hold on. Let 1261 01:22:40,050 --> 01:22:44,520 me see if this works. I can always edit it by hand and put 1262 01:22:44,550 --> 01:22:47,550 on Oh, dude, I can edit it. I can edit it right here. I can go 1263 01:22:47,550 --> 01:22:53,220 back and edit any episode. Steven be beautiful. You are an 1264 01:22:53,220 --> 01:22:55,860 electrician like none. It's 1265 01:22:56,940 --> 01:22:58,710 just well welcome to the vortex David. 1266 01:22:59,010 --> 01:23:04,710 I screwed we know we know what this is. We've we've been 1267 01:23:04,710 --> 01:23:08,070 through this. We know this joy. Hey, that's great. Okay, so I 1268 01:23:08,070 --> 01:23:10,710 can go back and put that in. Are we gonna Should we try episode 1269 01:23:10,710 --> 01:23:14,910 level blocks today? So we do we'll repeat everything we do 1270 01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:18,780 for the full override and add in Curio casters and extra Benny 1271 01:23:18,780 --> 01:23:21,540 for the 5% as a test and we can add them at the top later. 1272 01:23:22,110 --> 01:23:24,450 Yeah, okay, let's do it. Alright, because it could screw 1273 01:23:24,450 --> 01:23:29,970 everything up. So just saying she's not no agenda is the is 1274 01:23:29,970 --> 01:23:36,240 your other show. That other show? No that no, that other 1275 01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:38,160 show is both x this is that other 1276 01:23:38,190 --> 01:23:39,780 other other other show? 1277 01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:49,350 Yeah. All right. The z be beavin our b e a V in Oh, you are 1278 01:23:50,130 --> 01:23:55,350 leaving our sounds rice 10,000 SATs. She says here's some 1279 01:23:55,980 --> 01:23:57,480 here's some stats to stack 1280 01:23:57,510 --> 01:24:01,020 Thank you very much. Hold on a second I got to do a call out. 1281 01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:08,010 And now as the French say it is time for the boost not not 1282 01:24:08,010 --> 01:24:11,550 having enough foreigners that boost us got to talk to them in 1283 01:24:11,550 --> 01:24:12,390 their own language. 1284 01:24:13,050 --> 01:24:14,100 So they understand 1285 01:24:15,450 --> 01:24:16,650 also works in Iran. 1286 01:24:17,580 --> 01:24:18,390 It does 1287 01:24:18,510 --> 01:24:22,650 French French it's Africa everywhere. Oh yeah. The French 1288 01:24:22,650 --> 01:24:26,430 man that they they get a pass on that whole colonialism thing. 1289 01:24:26,430 --> 01:24:29,310 But we know we know what's going on. They still control the money 1290 01:24:29,310 --> 01:24:30,720 of six African countries. 1291 01:24:31,019 --> 01:24:32,879 Yeah, it's like it never happened. 1292 01:24:33,599 --> 01:24:35,309 Or it's not got nothing to see here. 1293 01:24:35,820 --> 01:24:44,490 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Si p c psi Mac p psi ma si. Si IMAX. IMAX. 1294 01:24:44,490 --> 01:24:48,900 That's what I'm gonna say. Beside Mac 1000 SATs and he says 1295 01:24:48,930 --> 01:24:54,150 adding to my monthly donation. Hashtag no tip. Yay. Exactly. 1296 01:24:54,270 --> 01:24:55,170 Not tipping, 1297 01:24:55,349 --> 01:24:57,149 not tipping podcast. 1298 01:25:01,170 --> 01:25:07,110 The mozzie BMA si gave us 333 sets. He says, Welcome back and 1299 01:25:07,110 --> 01:25:10,380 this last week and check over and over, hoping it was just 1300 01:25:10,380 --> 01:25:11,940 late. The 1301 01:25:11,940 --> 01:25:15,450 mass. Yeah, exactly. And I want everyone to pay attention how 1302 01:25:15,450 --> 01:25:18,750 disruptive that was. We've been so consistent with this show. 1303 01:25:19,140 --> 01:25:22,170 Very proud of our consistency. This one just really, really 1304 01:25:22,170 --> 01:25:24,780 didn't work for a whole bunch of reasons, which I think we should 1305 01:25:24,780 --> 01:25:28,410 just blame on Dave's health. And we can just say, now that we are 1306 01:25:28,410 --> 01:25:31,350 now it's out in the open, Master Dave's health we couldn't do the 1307 01:25:31,350 --> 01:25:39,360 show this. But I think everyone felt off kilter. He felt he felt 1308 01:25:39,390 --> 01:25:43,170 really weird, like something's wrong. And so this whole idea of 1309 01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:48,030 of, of podcasting, I just want to reiterate the thing I say 1310 01:25:48,030 --> 01:25:52,560 every single time, consistency is key. People adjust their 1311 01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:55,590 lives. Now, you may put it up on a Wednesday, and people may not 1312 01:25:55,590 --> 01:26:01,440 listen to it until Thursday morning. But if you shift 1313 01:26:01,440 --> 01:26:06,270 everything shifts, and and people get, I mean, this is like 1314 01:26:06,270 --> 01:26:09,810 orange pill. I love the orange pill podcast. They're doing a 1315 01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:14,640 you know, the F Ilan tour. And now I rarely listen to the last 1316 01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:18,120 Wednesday one, but because I like it when they have guests. 1317 01:26:18,480 --> 01:26:21,750 And somehow they've mixed it up. Sometimes they skip the Sunday, 1318 01:26:21,750 --> 01:26:24,390 which was horrible, because Sunday is the guest day and 1319 01:26:24,390 --> 01:26:26,490 that's where I want to decompress and listen to 1320 01:26:26,490 --> 01:26:30,720 something else after you have no agenda. And it's either not been 1321 01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:35,070 there or the Wednesday shows up on Friday, and I'm messed up. 1322 01:26:35,310 --> 01:26:36,360 And I'm upset. 1323 01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:40,710 Man, I'm the same way with pod news is sometimes of a wake up 1324 01:26:40,740 --> 01:26:44,220 if it's not there. It's not there. Like if I wake up early 1325 01:26:44,310 --> 01:26:46,980 in pot, and I'm like, Oh, wait, it's like it's like 30 minutes 1326 01:26:46,980 --> 01:26:47,280 early. 1327 01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:50,910 That happens to me on Saturdays. I wake up Where's pot news? 1328 01:26:51,900 --> 01:26:52,650 Saturday? 1329 01:26:52,980 --> 01:26:56,850 Yeah, cuz I've got the whole routine. I boost. A boost 2112 1330 01:26:56,850 --> 01:27:00,120 SATs every every episode at the very beginning. And I'm like, 1331 01:27:00,210 --> 01:27:02,070 I'm just lost. I'm like, What am I doing? 1332 01:27:02,130 --> 01:27:06,120 Oh, no, no, no, I only stream one set a minute as punishment. 1333 01:27:07,290 --> 01:27:10,530 Yeah, I once said, Oh, yeah, no, I'm totally one set a minute. So 1334 01:27:10,530 --> 01:27:14,040 you get three sets, but I'm a booster. So I'm fair. If 1335 01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:16,110 something's good that I'm going to boost you, I'm going to boost 1336 01:27:16,110 --> 01:27:19,740 you, I'm going to boost you 1000 or 500. And I'll do that a 1337 01:27:19,740 --> 01:27:25,230 couple times. But otherwise, no. Once once. It's like it cost 1338 01:27:25,230 --> 01:27:32,070 somebody more for me to do that. It doesn't even go doesn't 1339 01:27:32,070 --> 01:27:33,480 actually leave the station. 1340 01:27:35,609 --> 01:27:42,209 It stops on LNP. Okay, but mozzies and another one 333. 1341 01:27:42,209 --> 01:27:49,709 sets. Yes to still think value for value. Hmm. Okay, that's all 1342 01:27:49,709 --> 01:27:50,609 the histograms 1343 01:27:50,670 --> 01:27:53,910 Well, we really appreciate the booster grams. What if this 1344 01:27:53,910 --> 01:27:57,930 segment is starting to be good? And it's just and here you go. 1345 01:27:57,930 --> 01:28:01,050 This is part of what we were missing. And it's not even about 1346 01:28:01,050 --> 01:28:04,950 the money or the SATs or the it's about the loop being 1347 01:28:04,950 --> 01:28:10,980 closed. This is cool. The take that take that Brookings 1348 01:28:11,639 --> 01:28:17,339 lady, Brookings lady, the next her next article wive why the 1349 01:28:17,369 --> 01:28:19,919 dark net of internet programmable money and 1350 01:28:19,919 --> 01:28:22,709 podcasting is evil and needs to be stopped. That's right. 1351 01:28:22,770 --> 01:28:26,760 And then I have pictures of us with black bars over our eyes. 1352 01:28:26,849 --> 01:28:28,079 No with wizard hats. 1353 01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:31,560 And Dred Scott will just have his actual profile picture. 1354 01:28:36,780 --> 01:28:41,010 These these two progression that money wizards face, 1355 01:28:41,580 --> 01:28:45,150 and there'll be a quote they'll be quote pokin from Namibia says 1356 01:28:45,180 --> 01:28:48,300 these guys are magicians. I mean, it's perfect. I can see 1357 01:28:48,300 --> 01:28:52,950 it. I can see now to the Fiat fund coupons. 1358 01:28:52,979 --> 01:28:57,029 theophan coupons. $100 from Thomas Sullivan Jr. 1359 01:28:57,270 --> 01:28:58,680 Does he already have a T shirt? 1360 01:28:59,490 --> 01:29:01,470 He says Emma says Lord. 1361 01:29:02,550 --> 01:29:04,530 Right on Thank you. Thank you, Thomas. 1362 01:29:05,010 --> 01:29:07,260 He says thank you to Adam and Dave go podcasting. 1363 01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:14,580 Yay. Oh, misfire. Yeah, well, there was one in the chamber 1364 01:29:14,580 --> 01:29:15,030 already. 1365 01:29:15,059 --> 01:29:23,099 Sorry. You stovepipe it was Oh, here we got monthly donors here. 1366 01:29:23,369 --> 01:29:27,719 Let's see, by the way with some of these monthly donors never 1367 01:29:27,749 --> 01:29:30,209 like send us a messages or anything. If anybody on here 1368 01:29:30,209 --> 01:29:32,279 needs us to pick up some stuff for you. I mean, let us know. 1369 01:29:32,279 --> 01:29:32,819 Yeah, please 1370 01:29:32,820 --> 01:29:36,450 do the monthly should monthly is are so important. The monthly is 1371 01:29:36,450 --> 01:29:38,280 really keep the server's running. 1372 01:29:38,849 --> 01:29:43,229 I try to I try to give you know info about each person if I can, 1373 01:29:43,259 --> 01:29:45,989 if I know but some of the people just don't know if you got stuff 1374 01:29:45,989 --> 01:29:50,519 to do. So listen, I'm David metus. Good old David gave us 1375 01:29:50,519 --> 01:29:56,609 $10 Fun Fact Friday podcast gets you. Joseph maraca gave us $5 1376 01:29:57,059 --> 01:30:04,289 Cameron Rose $25 Jeremy Knew $5 Greg Thomas $5 Lauren ball 1377 01:30:04,319 --> 01:30:16,289 $24.20 pod verse gives $50 pod verse there. James, if you're 1378 01:30:16,289 --> 01:30:21,269 listening, get with Mitch, about the accessibility stuff that 1379 01:30:21,269 --> 01:30:22,739 he's done in part first, you know, 1380 01:30:22,740 --> 01:30:26,430 I sent this off to the three blind guys this is so important 1381 01:30:26,430 --> 01:30:33,150 i've i've had deep contact with the with what is I don't forget 1382 01:30:33,150 --> 01:30:35,760 what the politically correct term is these days but anyway 1383 01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:40,860 the blind community, as I always say, googly eyed mofos they love 1384 01:30:40,860 --> 01:30:45,180 me. Yeah, but but from what for? What for 18 years you know it's 1385 01:30:45,180 --> 01:30:49,680 like these were the first people like Hall Oh my god. Oh, so a 1386 01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:54,480 podcast by itself enriching the world of audio for people with 1387 01:30:54,480 --> 01:31:00,510 vision issues. Is it You have no idea how big a revolution that 1388 01:31:00,510 --> 01:31:04,980 when underreported Revolution Revolution show, right. Yeah, 1389 01:31:04,980 --> 01:31:08,910 but, but I'm but I'm going back to the podcasting. 1.0 When that 1390 01:31:08,910 --> 01:31:13,800 happened, it's like, you know, this was we had books on tape, 1391 01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:17,220 you know that that's where we're at now we had shit to listen to, 1392 01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:21,210 that would just come in. And so a lot of time was spent by some 1393 01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:25,110 very selfless teams. And I'm pretty sure Andrew Gromit, 1394 01:31:25,950 --> 01:31:29,430 there's probably iPod or lemon, but they really put in a lot of 1395 01:31:29,430 --> 01:31:33,210 accessibility. So the screen readers will work so often 1396 01:31:33,210 --> 01:31:36,870 forgotten these days, actually, it's an a violation of the 1397 01:31:36,870 --> 01:31:40,260 American with Disabilities Act if you don't have accessibility 1398 01:31:40,260 --> 01:31:45,390 in your in your app. But I was on the three blind guys show, 1399 01:31:45,390 --> 01:31:48,030 which I don't know them the three different blind guys, I've 1400 01:31:48,030 --> 01:31:50,790 never, I don't know, these white guys. I know other blind guys 1401 01:31:50,790 --> 01:31:55,110 and gals too. But I haven't, but I completely understand where 1402 01:31:55,110 --> 01:31:58,380 they're coming from. And you know, I'm, I'm also an auditory 1403 01:31:58,380 --> 01:32:02,370 person. So we get along really well. And they were talking 1404 01:32:02,370 --> 01:32:05,910 about this. And so when I didn't know Mitch was doing this, but 1405 01:32:05,910 --> 01:32:09,540 when he said that, you know, he kind of relayed the story of how 1406 01:32:09,810 --> 01:32:12,810 utterly the whole app failed with a screen reader and that he 1407 01:32:12,810 --> 01:32:17,760 just, you know, just said about going to fix that is hugely 1408 01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:21,690 appreciated. And what I need from him really is a is a really 1409 01:32:21,690 --> 01:32:25,650 cool, good tweet that explains this so I can blast it out. But 1410 01:32:25,650 --> 01:32:28,530 I sent it on to the to the three blind guys and I hope they got 1411 01:32:28,530 --> 01:32:31,410 in touch to give some feedback because they are they're 1412 01:32:31,410 --> 01:32:35,670 podcasters they understand this stuff and so they can they can 1413 01:32:36,030 --> 01:32:37,260 close the loop hopefully. 1414 01:32:37,649 --> 01:32:40,589 But I got to know Mitch really well in Nashville, and I guess 1415 01:32:40,589 --> 01:32:44,219 been nighttime with him. And he's written like, this is stuff 1416 01:32:44,219 --> 01:32:48,059 that's close to his heart. He's he's uh, you know, just a so 1417 01:32:48,599 --> 01:32:53,939 he's just a social aware socially aware guy and really 1418 01:32:53,939 --> 01:32:57,899 has done a lot of stuff and And is he doing this full time now? 1419 01:32:57,899 --> 01:33:00,989 Is this his full time job as he made this step? 1420 01:33:00,990 --> 01:33:03,720 I know he's not full time he still he still got a day job, 1421 01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:04,200 but he's 1422 01:33:04,410 --> 01:33:06,570 teasing that he we've got him the closest though man. 1423 01:33:07,470 --> 01:33:12,270 Yeah, yeah. And raise your fees. Yeah, seriously. 5% 1424 01:33:12,330 --> 01:33:16,260 look at look Look at this. Look what you did. Look what you did 1425 01:33:16,260 --> 01:33:18,330 man for for blind people. 1426 01:33:19,410 --> 01:33:20,100 That's amazing. 1427 01:33:20,130 --> 01:33:22,860 Look what you've done for the poor blind people for Tiny Tim 1428 01:33:22,860 --> 01:33:25,020 with no eyes. You've done a great great Oh, that's 1429 01:33:25,020 --> 01:33:27,270 near him. I got to cry. 1430 01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:30,780 Sorry, I can't hear and I can't see I got I got the double 1431 01:33:30,780 --> 01:33:34,410 trouble. Now this sentence that's worse. That's what that's 1432 01:33:34,410 --> 01:33:40,290 worth five minutes. were five points. To take five points off 1433 01:33:40,290 --> 01:33:41,100 the top Mitch. 1434 01:33:42,479 --> 01:33:47,279 Christopher Cierra Burke, Jr. Barbara. Tara Barak gave us $10 1435 01:33:47,669 --> 01:33:52,829 Mitch Downey coming in a second time with $10 and Mike Newman 1436 01:33:52,889 --> 01:33:55,979 with $10.66 and that he said that will be his last yes I 1437 01:33:55,979 --> 01:33:59,489 saw the cancellations come through Yeah, good good because 1438 01:33:59,519 --> 01:34:03,899 do that with the boost man like tax those channels? drain drain 1439 01:34:03,899 --> 01:34:08,519 my pipe. I should probably rephrase that. Hmm. 1440 01:34:09,210 --> 01:34:11,940 Yeah. Then break it. I did. Well, I mean, are in the show 1441 01:34:11,940 --> 01:34:16,950 mix today from raw is so dirty. And this is a fair This is just 1442 01:34:16,950 --> 01:34:17,610 a warning. Fair 1443 01:34:17,610 --> 01:34:24,630 warning. We should do a second. I think I have this. Yeah, I 1444 01:34:24,660 --> 01:34:27,540 have one of these. This is from mo always has me play this. 1445 01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:39,030 Morning. Trigger warning. Trigger warning. activated. Just 1446 01:34:39,030 --> 01:34:41,280 so you know. We need to we need to tag for that. 1447 01:34:41,700 --> 01:34:47,490 Yeah, when the mix starts. head out if you can't handle it. All 1448 01:34:47,490 --> 01:34:49,860 right. I gotta get back to work. I get nothing else. Oh, 1449 01:34:49,860 --> 01:34:52,470 geez. Yeah, we've been talking way too long. I'm sorry for 1450 01:34:52,470 --> 01:34:56,640 keeping you busy. But this was this was fun. So on next week's 1451 01:34:56,640 --> 01:35:00,900 show, I believe we have a special guest who will Now we 1452 01:35:00,900 --> 01:35:03,540 pre taping the show with him on Monday or so. Yeah, 1453 01:35:03,809 --> 01:35:07,259 me and Melissa will be out of town on Friday next week in a in 1454 01:35:07,259 --> 01:35:10,349 a way that there's no way I can do a show so we're gonna have to 1455 01:35:10,349 --> 01:35:12,209 pre tape on Monday night. 1456 01:35:12,330 --> 01:35:14,430 Right and but we're doing that with our guests who's going to 1457 01:35:14,430 --> 01:35:17,790 talk about Bitcoin energy usage? 1458 01:35:18,299 --> 01:35:23,669 Yeah has McCook from he's down under and he's an environmental 1459 01:35:23,669 --> 01:35:27,989 engineer and he's done a lot of work on Bitcoin energy 1460 01:35:27,989 --> 01:35:33,179 consumption and emissions. He's pretty much the expert in this 1461 01:35:33,209 --> 01:35:36,509 and I can't wait. I mean, like it's, this is an issue that 1462 01:35:36,509 --> 01:35:39,629 needs to be discussed because there's a lot of socially aware, 1463 01:35:40,319 --> 01:35:43,649 environmentally aware people in the Bitcoin, excuse me in the 1464 01:35:43,649 --> 01:35:49,079 podcasting world. And they need to understand that a lot of the 1465 01:35:49,079 --> 01:35:53,819 stuff around it one's energy usage profile is Fudd. And he's 1466 01:35:53,819 --> 01:35:57,809 gonna he'll, he will be very instrumental in setting some 1467 01:35:57,809 --> 01:35:59,969 people's minds at ease about about that whole 1468 01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:02,490 while also giving us some information that that we can 1469 01:36:02,490 --> 01:36:06,960 use. Though the one of the stepdaughters is here, we 1470 01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:09,900 haven't seen her in 18 months either. So it's really nice to 1471 01:36:09,900 --> 01:36:13,380 have her. Yeah, this is, especially for Tina, you know, 1472 01:36:13,380 --> 01:36:19,920 Mom, daughter. And she's very, very socially aware. She's done, 1473 01:36:19,950 --> 01:36:23,310 dabbled a little bit in local politics. They lived in Chicago, 1474 01:36:23,430 --> 01:36:29,340 now moved to Maine. And she's reading this huge book called 1475 01:36:29,340 --> 01:36:33,870 debt, which is the history of debt. So she yeah, oh, yeah, 1476 01:36:33,870 --> 01:36:36,630 that's and I'd sent her the Bitcoin standard for Christmas, 1477 01:36:37,050 --> 01:36:39,960 which she still hasn't read, which she still hasn't read. And 1478 01:36:39,960 --> 01:36:41,700 I said, Well, you know, once you finish your debt book, you 1479 01:36:41,700 --> 01:36:45,000 really should read that. And, and, you know, so but she 1480 01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:48,630 immediately, of course, from her environment, millio, as well, 1481 01:36:48,660 --> 01:36:53,190 but you know, it's really any, any money be sucking up the same 1482 01:36:53,190 --> 01:36:58,260 amount of electricity is the entire country of Namibia. Now, 1483 01:36:58,290 --> 01:37:02,040 and you know, and so then my response is, well, you know, 1484 01:37:02,190 --> 01:37:06,240 okay, so the dirty Bitcoin versus the Petro dollar, you 1485 01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:10,200 know, you can go down that hole forever. And, you know, and then 1486 01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:12,390 you say, well, but if you look at it on the grand scale, it's 1487 01:37:12,390 --> 01:37:15,930 1/10 of a percent of all energy uses. And I can see that that's 1488 01:37:15,930 --> 01:37:19,680 not working. That's not the answer that's going to work. 1489 01:37:20,220 --> 01:37:23,730 They like how he, and one of the reasons I contacted him to have 1490 01:37:23,730 --> 01:37:27,630 him on the show is I like his approach, which doesn't look at 1491 01:37:27,630 --> 01:37:32,580 energy consumption as much as it looks at emissions output. And 1492 01:37:32,580 --> 01:37:36,480 that's where you see some drastic differences. Okay. And 1493 01:37:36,480 --> 01:37:38,760 he's qualified to speak to this as an environmental engineer. 1494 01:37:38,910 --> 01:37:41,790 He's also Australia. He's also Australian, as we know, they 1495 01:37:41,790 --> 01:37:50,310 don't say anything wrong. So we can. Ah, okay, just a quick 1496 01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:54,570 congratulations to I think Alex that he finished up the pod ping 1497 01:37:54,570 --> 01:37:58,740 hive writer, I know that that's kind of probably worth 1498 01:37:58,740 --> 01:38:01,080 discussing, but we just didn't get to it. 1499 01:38:01,500 --> 01:38:02,700 I got to get you back to work. 1500 01:38:02,760 --> 01:38:05,700 So how do we do this? We never had an end of show mix. Do I do 1501 01:38:05,700 --> 01:38:08,820 that? And then play the end music? Or do I play the end 1502 01:38:08,820 --> 01:38:11,220 music and all the cool we should? 1503 01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:16,110 Do the end of the day, the end of the show? Do the standard 1504 01:38:16,110 --> 01:38:16,830 ending and then 1505 01:38:16,950 --> 01:38:21,900 put it after that? Yeah. So people can can bail if they if 1506 01:38:21,900 --> 01:38:22,650 they feel like it? 1507 01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:25,410 That's the finish line. They can get it that way. roofie. 1508 01:38:25,410 --> 01:38:29,370 Also, he created cast coverage. 1509 01:38:29,729 --> 01:38:31,469 Yeah. Cast. Yeah. Cast coverage. Yeah. 1510 01:38:32,070 --> 01:38:37,140 So roofie is multi is multifaceted. This guy. And 1511 01:38:37,140 --> 01:38:38,460 always so enthusiastic. 1512 01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:41,670 ej pops in with an email like once every four months. It's 1513 01:38:41,670 --> 01:38:43,740 like, Hey, here's an industrial mix. So yeah. 1514 01:38:44,970 --> 01:38:50,100 So thank you. roofie. He has a we need to put him in the in the 1515 01:38:50,130 --> 01:38:51,060 value block. 1516 01:38:51,389 --> 01:38:56,819 He doesn't have a node he doesn't have a node. No. Just 1517 01:38:56,819 --> 01:38:57,359 doesn't care. 1518 01:38:58,439 --> 01:39:00,959 David's Always a pleasure to do a podcast with you, my friend 1519 01:39:00,989 --> 01:39:04,259 and I love doing it here in this beautiful boardroom. Thank you 1520 01:39:04,259 --> 01:39:08,729 all for building it and we'll be back on Friday. Take care, Dave. 1521 01:39:10,649 --> 01:39:13,979 Please tune in then for another episode of podcasting. 2.0 see 1522 01:39:13,979 --> 01:39:14,429 everybody. 1523 01:39:29,820 --> 01:39:34,410 You have been listening to podcasting. 2.0 visit podcast 1524 01:39:34,410 --> 01:39:37,140 index.com for more information. 1525 01:39:42,510 --> 01:39:47,160 Oh, and then you put and then every single payment that goes 1526 01:39:47,160 --> 01:39:49,830 there you just publish the comment. 1527 01:39:52,050 --> 01:39:54,360 Yeah, what would the publishing mechanism be like? No 1528 01:39:54,420 --> 01:39:56,790 fucking magic, Dave. I'm surprised you haven't built it 1529 01:39:56,790 --> 01:40:05,550 yet. Fucking magic Dave. Fucking magic Dave fucking magic Dave 1530 01:40:06,990 --> 01:40:07,860 fucking magic 1531 01:40:19,199 --> 01:40:23,639 you can be the guy you can be the guy you can be the guy you 1532 01:40:23,639 --> 01:40:24,539 can be the guy 1533 01:40:24,689 --> 01:40:40,889 you can be the guy getting to hold fats every minute all 1534 01:40:40,889 --> 01:40:49,079 sounds cool sounds like so there's just the two holes that 1535 01:40:49,109 --> 01:40:58,409 there's like so there's there's like so there's a there's a 1536 01:40:58,409 --> 01:41:04,289 there's a great idea I ran must face draw. I ran must face draw. 1537 01:41:04,649 --> 01:41:06,299 Oh my god oh my god 1538 01:41:08,250 --> 01:41:09,060 you're a poet 1539 01:41:16,439 --> 01:41:21,989 the publisher read registers with a hub somebody who wants to 1540 01:41:21,989 --> 01:41:25,529 be notified when there's when the fee changes also registers 1541 01:41:25,919 --> 01:41:38,699 driver on the piping is a essentially it's a great idea 1542 01:41:41,579 --> 01:41:46,379 great idea great idea 1543 01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:48,960 boost his ass and I was like