1 00:00:00,599 --> 00:00:05,849 podcasting 2.0 for September 3 2021, Episode 52 celebrating 2 00:00:05,849 --> 00:00:12,809 our first anniversary, one year of shows, one year of podcasting 3 00:00:12,809 --> 00:00:15,959 2.0 Hello, everybody, time for your weekly board meeting, 4 00:00:16,559 --> 00:00:19,709 podcasting. 2.0 everything that's going on around podcast 5 00:00:19,709 --> 00:00:23,819 index.org, the namespace value for value, podcast index dot 6 00:00:23,819 --> 00:00:27,659 social, a special guest today. And I'm Adam Curry here in the 7 00:00:27,659 --> 00:00:30,599 heart of Hill Country, Texas in Alabama, we've got the man who's 8 00:00:30,599 --> 00:00:33,959 been making my technology dreams come true for over a decade, my 9 00:00:33,959 --> 00:00:36,929 friend on the other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones 10 00:00:39,060 --> 00:00:44,070 week, a week, you know, like two weeks feels like a year. That 11 00:00:44,070 --> 00:00:46,980 mean you miss one week and you feel like you've you know, done 12 00:00:46,980 --> 00:00:49,200 something done something terrible. This is, 13 00:00:49,350 --> 00:00:53,550 you know, whenever I people say to me, what do you recommend for 14 00:00:53,550 --> 00:00:57,090 all podcasts, there's the one thing I've learned is you've got 15 00:00:57,090 --> 00:01:00,660 to be consistent. If you do a weekly show, do it every week 16 00:01:00,690 --> 00:01:04,350 and do it on the same day and try to release it even within 17 00:01:04,350 --> 00:01:07,620 the same time period. Because people start to adapt their 18 00:01:07,620 --> 00:01:10,350 lives to it and start to anticipate it and get all 19 00:01:10,350 --> 00:01:14,100 excited. And man, I saw a lot of people upset that we didn't have 20 00:01:14,100 --> 00:01:15,090 a show last week. 21 00:01:15,540 --> 00:01:16,860 I mean, I was upset that we didn't have 22 00:01:17,730 --> 00:01:18,300 me to 23 00:01:19,410 --> 00:01:22,980 see the stack of crap I have here to talk about and I know 24 00:01:23,010 --> 00:01:26,280 I know. Well, I was in the in the lowlands I was visiting my 25 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,920 daughter was her birthday last Friday on the 27th 26 00:01:30,630 --> 00:01:34,110 your birthday today it is yes. Happy birthday, my friend. Thank 27 00:01:34,110 --> 00:01:38,040 you very much. Yep. 57 I did great. feels really good. Good 28 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:42,390 number. I'm liking my wife gave me an AR 15 for my 57th 29 00:01:42,390 --> 00:01:44,400 birthday. How many guys can say that? 30 00:01:45,330 --> 00:01:46,740 That's, that is awesome. 31 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:51,420 But not just an AR 15 a black rifle, a Black Rain ordinance. 32 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:52,590 Are you familiar with these? 33 00:01:53,309 --> 00:01:57,209 was not until I saw the picture of it on Twitter. Like I love 34 00:01:57,209 --> 00:02:00,659 the comment. This is this is the new rain state. Yeah, like this. 35 00:02:02,580 --> 00:02:05,160 The rain stick and someone else it looks like the scorpion 36 00:02:05,190 --> 00:02:07,170 attack is ramping up over there. 37 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,730 Yeah, that attack is over. But the funny 38 00:02:11,730 --> 00:02:15,090 thing is, is Tina went out and you know, she called some of the 39 00:02:15,090 --> 00:02:18,300 hill country patriots and said, Oh, I'm gonna get this first 40 00:02:18,300 --> 00:02:21,930 birthday. And so they're all these like, ex military dudes, 41 00:02:21,930 --> 00:02:24,780 you know, in the gun shop with my wife like, yeah, let's get 42 00:02:24,780 --> 00:02:25,290 him this. 43 00:02:25,799 --> 00:02:30,989 Let's put this bid on. He must have a lot of self confidence. 44 00:02:32,910 --> 00:02:36,720 Anyways, so yeah, there's a lot to talk about. We have a super 45 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:42,090 guest on today. I'm very excited about. Yeah, but we let me see. 46 00:02:42,660 --> 00:02:48,270 I guess it's kind of to catch up. I it was so nice. I love the 47 00:02:48,660 --> 00:02:54,240 dev call podcast that Brian puts up of the of the dev call 48 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,760 because it's like, oh my god, I have to go searching everywhere 49 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,700 to find out where there's a recording. It just shows up in 50 00:02:59,700 --> 00:03:02,640 the app. So watch that was a great dev QA a lot of 51 00:03:02,640 --> 00:03:03,840 interesting ideas. 52 00:03:04,319 --> 00:03:08,879 It was it was really good. I'm getting to sort of catch up with 53 00:03:08,909 --> 00:03:14,609 things and Phil Mike pod Pang is is in really good shape. I mean, 54 00:03:14,609 --> 00:03:18,029 Alex is, you know, just kicking ass on that thing and putting it 55 00:03:18,029 --> 00:03:22,409 together into the end Docker rising it? And I feel like I 56 00:03:22,409 --> 00:03:25,919 feel like that thing is is it's a product all by itself, man. 57 00:03:26,099 --> 00:03:26,669 Yeah. 58 00:03:26,729 --> 00:03:29,039 So when he when he sees Docker eyes, that means I can run my 59 00:03:29,039 --> 00:03:31,379 own pod ping service or? 60 00:03:31,860 --> 00:03:34,350 Yeah, yeah, straight up. I mean, you just yeah, it's just like a 61 00:03:34,350 --> 00:03:37,380 Docker pool and or it will be you know, when it once it's 62 00:03:37,380 --> 00:03:40,440 fully baked. I mean, it, it's already you can already do it. 63 00:03:40,470 --> 00:03:44,310 But once he gets everything ready, it'll be just download 64 00:03:44,310 --> 00:03:48,690 it, install it and good to go. Yeah, nice. Nice. I want to 65 00:03:48,690 --> 00:03:50,790 remind everybody of our positioning, which I'm very 66 00:03:50,790 --> 00:03:53,460 proud of the more I read it, the more I like it. The podcast 67 00:03:53,460 --> 00:03:55,980 index is here to preserve, protect and extend the open 68 00:03:55,980 --> 00:03:59,040 independent podcasting ecosystem. We do this by 69 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,130 enabling developers to have access to open categorized index 70 00:04:02,130 --> 00:04:04,980 that will always be available for free for any use. 71 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,630 Who has a Dred Scott said that we need to change that on the 72 00:04:09,630 --> 00:04:10,620 Pay Pal to Yes, I 73 00:04:10,620 --> 00:04:13,890 saw that. Yeah. Everyone's always looking out for all 74 00:04:13,890 --> 00:04:16,860 aspects of a man. I love that. Oh, before I forget some I'm 75 00:04:16,860 --> 00:04:19,830 talking about New Tech. Nice exhaust. 76 00:04:20,819 --> 00:04:25,199 Oh, thank you very much. That this is the this is the time 77 00:04:25,199 --> 00:04:28,589 like since we didn't have a podcast last weekend. I thought, 78 00:04:28,739 --> 00:04:31,319 Okay, I need to actually fix some crap on my truck that I 79 00:04:31,319 --> 00:04:35,129 mean, this is my this 65 Ford is my daily driver. I mean, I drove 80 00:04:35,129 --> 00:04:39,569 it everywhere. And it was halfway falling apart. It was 81 00:04:39,569 --> 00:04:42,959 things falling off of it. It was there was lots of maintenance to 82 00:04:42,959 --> 00:04:47,129 be done. So I'm now fully repaired and in good shape. 83 00:04:47,189 --> 00:04:47,579 Yeah. 84 00:04:48,180 --> 00:04:51,720 Nice looking exhausts. If you look under the cars like this 85 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,940 really shiny bit. Oh, okay. That's 86 00:04:53,940 --> 00:04:54,990 the new little 87 00:04:56,310 --> 00:05:00,420 beautiful man. Beautiful. Thanks. Yeah. So they were We're 88 00:05:00,420 --> 00:05:07,590 interesting topics like commenting, and how that 89 00:05:07,590 --> 00:05:11,070 integrates with, I guess we're somewhere in the middle. It 90 00:05:11,070 --> 00:05:14,730 feels to me we're somewhere kind of in between the live stuff the 91 00:05:15,870 --> 00:05:20,700 the notification for live, which somehow also kind of flows over 92 00:05:20,700 --> 00:05:23,970 into some of the possible commenting systems. I know Alex 93 00:05:23,970 --> 00:05:28,110 was pushing for an activity pub, which seems for comments, which 94 00:05:28,110 --> 00:05:31,260 seems a little overkill to me 95 00:05:31,830 --> 00:05:38,550 for comments. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's the the activity 96 00:05:38,550 --> 00:05:42,600 pub. Well, I think we may be getting confused again. Yeah, I 97 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:46,860 think so. comments and reviews or comments and chat. I'm sorry. 98 00:05:47,430 --> 00:05:50,610 So you can have you know, and 99 00:05:50,700 --> 00:05:53,490 why don't you just tell me what what's on the table? So I have a 100 00:05:53,490 --> 00:05:56,430 better understanding and or whatever you think wherever we 101 00:05:56,430 --> 00:05:58,980 are. I was out for a week. So I don't know I was smoking weed in 102 00:05:58,980 --> 00:06:00,660 Amsterdam. The hell do I know anymore? 103 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,790 It's cross app comments, and is what 104 00:06:05,850 --> 00:06:06,870 his goal is the goal 105 00:06:06,899 --> 00:06:10,499 is what is the goal? Yeah. And I mean, that's already running on 106 00:06:10,499 --> 00:06:14,819 activity pub. Brian with cast pod cast pod and pod friend. 107 00:06:14,819 --> 00:06:21,509 Yeah, yeah. And so I think you may be talking about activitypub 108 00:06:21,509 --> 00:06:23,339 linked to booster grams. 109 00:06:23,550 --> 00:06:27,060 Oh, yes. I'm sorry. That's what it was. That was the overkill 110 00:06:27,060 --> 00:06:27,810 part. You're right. 111 00:06:28,950 --> 00:06:30,150 So you know, I don't 112 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,540 I had one. I just have one comment. Yeah. from someone who 113 00:06:33,540 --> 00:06:39,810 uses this stuff all the time. I do not want to encourage anyone 114 00:06:39,810 --> 00:06:44,850 to be writing long notes, period, end of story. That's it. 115 00:06:45,780 --> 00:06:52,080 And there's a reason why Twitter restricts their, their character 116 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,650 amount. And it's simple. It's it's a whole different 117 00:06:55,650 --> 00:07:00,360 experience if you let anyone do whatever they want. And so 118 00:07:00,390 --> 00:07:03,540 besides the other hurdles it might take to connect a booster 119 00:07:03,540 --> 00:07:07,230 gram to an activity pub message, and I understand all the cool 120 00:07:07,230 --> 00:07:11,190 authentication stuff that this is really my message and all 121 00:07:11,190 --> 00:07:14,550 that. But if that's gonna enable people to send Warren Piece I'd 122 00:07:14,550 --> 00:07:19,620 rather not have it. I'd like to restriction I really do. 123 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:24,960 I think he's thinking about it in terms of protocols instead of 124 00:07:25,350 --> 00:07:27,210 because it because really, I mean, if you think about it a 125 00:07:27,210 --> 00:07:32,250 booster gram, it works. But it's kind of hacky. Because what 126 00:07:32,250 --> 00:07:35,670 you're the whole context of that conversation came about because 127 00:07:36,210 --> 00:07:39,750 we were talking about the limitations of what you can fit 128 00:07:39,750 --> 00:07:45,450 into a single lightning message. router. That's Yes, yes. 1300 129 00:07:45,450 --> 00:07:50,760 byte payload roughly. And then. So what he was saying is, well, 130 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:55,110 I mean, if we need bigger stuff. So for instance, you know, we're 131 00:07:55,110 --> 00:07:58,950 trying to pack a whole lot of things into this into this TLV 132 00:07:58,950 --> 00:08:04,740 record. And so you're wanting to put in a URL, the timestamp, the 133 00:08:04,740 --> 00:08:08,850 name of the podcast, the name of the episode? Right? There's a 134 00:08:08,850 --> 00:08:11,850 lot of stuff you get in there. And so if you look at your 135 00:08:11,850 --> 00:08:16,410 overall limit of 1300 bytes, you start to see that that's sort of 136 00:08:16,410 --> 00:08:18,900 current, you're getting cramped here, and you don't have much 137 00:08:18,900 --> 00:08:22,710 left over now, if you have in all of this was in the context 138 00:08:22,710 --> 00:08:32,430 of somebody who I think Martin said that his to his message 139 00:08:32,430 --> 00:08:40,260 booster Graham may have gotten lost. Yes, yeah. It's so I don't 140 00:08:40,710 --> 00:08:44,460 think we were thinking that he may have written too long of a 141 00:08:44,460 --> 00:08:45,810 message, and then it just 142 00:08:46,020 --> 00:08:48,390 went away somehow. And then it got corrupted. 143 00:08:48,420 --> 00:08:53,340 I ended up finding it later, it did come through. And I think, 144 00:08:53,430 --> 00:08:56,220 and I'm not I haven't had time to figure out why it didn't show 145 00:08:56,220 --> 00:09:00,780 up in our histogram push. But we were talking about that. It's 146 00:09:00,780 --> 00:09:04,200 like, Okay, well, what happens if you overrun that 1300 byte 147 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,230 limit? Right? And the answer is, nobody knows. 148 00:09:08,219 --> 00:09:10,529 Well, can't we just test that? Can we just put a whole bunch of 149 00:09:10,529 --> 00:09:12,899 junk in see what happens? Sure. 150 00:09:12,930 --> 00:09:16,590 Yeah, they'll I think Brian put in like two paragraphs worth of 151 00:09:16,590 --> 00:09:20,970 lorem ipsum. And nothing like I don't think it even went 152 00:09:21,060 --> 00:09:23,790 Oh, okay. So it doesn't even stand out. But yeah, I 153 00:09:23,819 --> 00:09:26,549 don't think so. Yeah, so anyway, that was the whole context. So 154 00:09:26,549 --> 00:09:30,239 Alex was saying well, you know, the problem God The reason this 155 00:09:30,239 --> 00:09:33,809 is a problem is because there's no protocol here only is true. 156 00:09:33,839 --> 00:09:35,219 There's like spray and pray. 157 00:09:35,250 --> 00:09:37,800 Yeah, and this and this, I believe this will all change 158 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:42,840 with bolt 12 when we get the open invoices is that is that 159 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,960 how do you think that open invoice it will still work 160 00:09:45,990 --> 00:09:48,960 through the same basic Real Time Protocol where you need like 161 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,600 keys and where you need to be have a note up all the time. 162 00:09:52,560 --> 00:09:57,420 Yeah, I think it's actually the spec and the value spec. And 163 00:09:57,420 --> 00:10:00,330 that's something worth talking about too. You know, It's now 164 00:10:00,330 --> 00:10:02,430 formalized it Yes, the namespace Yes, actually. 165 00:10:03,689 --> 00:10:06,899 Hello value for value in the namespace fees for. 166 00:10:07,259 --> 00:10:10,769 Yeah. And so it's it's fully in there it's, it's it's 167 00:10:10,769 --> 00:10:16,379 formalized, it's not a proposal anymore. And I really want to 168 00:10:16,379 --> 00:10:21,629 thank Gigi for helping, cuz he, he went through and just double 169 00:10:21,629 --> 00:10:25,469 checked everything. And he wrote the item overrides. And one of 170 00:10:25,469 --> 00:10:32,309 the things he also did was he put in the support for app. So 171 00:10:32,669 --> 00:10:36,479 in that the value block is ready to go for app slash open 172 00:10:36,479 --> 00:10:39,599 invoices as well, bolt 12 should work fine. 173 00:10:40,079 --> 00:10:42,929 Excellent. So we don't have to change the spec when when bolt 174 00:10:42,929 --> 00:10:45,119 when that gets implemented. Right. So 175 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:50,790 what I'm seeing is how almost everybody thinks that bolt 12 176 00:10:50,790 --> 00:10:57,300 will coincide or will live alongside of keys, and for some, 177 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:03,330 you know, period of time, probably a long time. Then what 178 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,720 should happen is everybody's keys and will just continue to 179 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,410 work. And then at some point, if a podcaster wants to switch to 180 00:11:10,410 --> 00:11:16,170 amp, they're open open invoice bolt 12. They'll just confusing, 181 00:11:16,170 --> 00:11:18,660 an AMP amp. I know amp already works. Bolt 12 is something 182 00:11:18,660 --> 00:11:19,620 different than just, 183 00:11:19,860 --> 00:11:22,260 yeah, amp is the multi path payments. 184 00:11:22,439 --> 00:11:25,619 Yeah, and that's already functional. It's just this, I 185 00:11:25,619 --> 00:11:28,619 should stop saying that, but they they're easy to confuse. So 186 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:32,699 bolt 12 is mine was the switch that they should be able to just 187 00:11:32,699 --> 00:11:36,269 generate an open invoice a static invoice, and just plop 188 00:11:36,269 --> 00:11:40,859 that into their value block and change the type from lightning 189 00:11:41,459 --> 00:11:47,339 to into amp, I think is what is what it is. I'll have to go back 190 00:11:47,339 --> 00:11:50,039 and read the spec anyway, that it's ready to go. So it 191 00:11:50,039 --> 00:11:52,379 shouldn't it should be a seamless transition. 192 00:11:52,410 --> 00:11:54,660 We don't have to belabor it. But I did have an interesting 193 00:11:54,660 --> 00:11:59,790 experience with ln URL, which is now implemented in a lot of 194 00:11:59,790 --> 00:12:02,580 these apps. And here's, here's what the, here's what was most 195 00:12:02,580 --> 00:12:06,570 interesting. So ln URL is the way we can just have a URL, 196 00:12:06,660 --> 00:12:11,580 which could, as an example, be connected to a chapter, you 197 00:12:11,580 --> 00:12:15,180 know, to a chapter so I have a URL, you tap on the URL now my 198 00:12:16,050 --> 00:12:20,640 graphene iOS, it opened up something I'd never seen before, 199 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,820 you'd open up this whole panel of all the different lightning 200 00:12:23,820 --> 00:12:28,020 apps, I have that our ln URL compatible. And it said choose 201 00:12:28,020 --> 00:12:35,400 one. And you know, zap wallet was was one Exodus, it had blue 202 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:41,250 wallet, bl w breeze. And so I chose breeze, it just pops it 203 00:12:41,250 --> 00:12:48,630 also just get boom in an invoice. And you hit send. It's 204 00:12:48,630 --> 00:12:52,560 that simple. So and but actually the example is a chat app. This 205 00:12:52,560 --> 00:12:57,990 is why I bring it up. So for each each time you want to send 206 00:12:57,990 --> 00:13:01,200 a chat message, you click the URL, and then you send that 207 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:05,190 message with you know, whatever required SATs, and then it shows 208 00:13:05,190 --> 00:13:07,920 up in this running chat with people talking to each other by 209 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:12,660 sending sending it through through ln URL. And I think it's 210 00:13:12,660 --> 00:13:14,850 that's all back end. Right. So if that's not completely 211 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,670 centralized on that chat app, I presume, but it's just 212 00:13:17,670 --> 00:13:21,540 interesting was a very interesting interaction. That I 213 00:13:21,540 --> 00:13:24,960 think we should look out for something somewhere down the 214 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:26,550 line, it might be handy. 215 00:13:27,179 --> 00:13:30,359 So what did people say? I've heard people say that Ellen URL 216 00:13:30,359 --> 00:13:34,439 is hacky? Is that because it requires like this little this 217 00:13:34,439 --> 00:13:35,309 local soccer, 218 00:13:35,370 --> 00:13:39,330 because all of this shit is hacky? What do you mean? Why is 219 00:13:39,330 --> 00:13:43,860 this hacky? Okay, we just talked about TLV booster grams. That's 220 00:13:43,860 --> 00:13:45,450 not hacky? No, 221 00:13:45,540 --> 00:13:50,070 no, that's perfectly legit. Like, I think it's got something 222 00:13:50,070 --> 00:13:55,410 to do with that you're running a local HTTP server on that you 223 00:13:55,410 --> 00:14:01,110 run an HTTP server on localhost. And it's sort of like roquet 224 00:14:01,110 --> 00:14:04,080 running and you're running a website on your node in order to 225 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,000 take this stuff and do 226 00:14:06,030 --> 00:14:11,280 right. It's it's a lot. Yeah, a lot of extra stuff. Yeah. I just 227 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:13,380 thought it was interesting. Oops, 228 00:14:13,950 --> 00:14:15,390 no, I guess you're down. Yeah. 229 00:14:15,900 --> 00:14:19,950 Yeah, okay. No, my Lambo in the neck. The next thing Finally, 230 00:14:19,950 --> 00:14:24,450 which I thought was also interesting was timestamps for 231 00:14:24,450 --> 00:14:28,830 batching payments. And this is this is a good conversation to 232 00:14:28,830 --> 00:14:35,070 have because everyone's looking at it from the from the 233 00:14:35,070 --> 00:14:40,170 logistics of, of sanding with fees, etc, etc. And everyone's 234 00:14:40,170 --> 00:14:45,720 very cognizant of the importance of by using some Well, the 235 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,780 perceived importance of using some of this for statistics and 236 00:14:48,780 --> 00:14:52,440 seeing, you know, looking at listening habits, and I guess 237 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:56,280 we're all looking for a way to batch payments but not lose the 238 00:14:56,280 --> 00:15:00,390 valuable time information as to when someone was listening to 239 00:15:00,390 --> 00:15:02,250 something. Alright. 240 00:15:03,510 --> 00:15:07,530 That's, that's part of that whole conversation of how much 241 00:15:07,530 --> 00:15:10,830 room Do you have to put that in there? Because if you're 242 00:15:11,370 --> 00:15:14,280 Yeah, I got you. That's how we came to it. Yeah. Because if you 243 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,580 do that, you know, more time for timestamping folds less less 244 00:15:18,150 --> 00:15:20,310 space we have for the booster grant message. 245 00:15:20,850 --> 00:15:24,090 It Well, it's not just that you still got this 1300 byte limit, 246 00:15:24,090 --> 00:15:30,690 and you're gonna say, well, am I going to package 50 of these? 247 00:15:30,870 --> 00:15:32,160 Oh, you gotta do that, 248 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,400 too. Right? Goodness. Well, it's 249 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:36,930 the it's the full structure. 250 00:15:37,709 --> 00:15:40,799 Well, these are fun challenges to have I like is your cute a 251 00:15:40,799 --> 00:15:43,709 booth? That's right. What are you doing? Oh, you want to? 252 00:15:44,789 --> 00:15:49,499 Please boost us because we're helping you use the boost to 253 00:15:49,499 --> 00:15:50,459 boost the boosters. 254 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,880 Yeah, that I mean, that's that I think that's what prompted this 255 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:00,330 whole discussion of your I didn't go outside protocol on 256 00:16:00,330 --> 00:16:05,520 this. And, yeah, we're not ready for that. No, we're not ready to 257 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,370 go to even talk about that yet. You know, because it's like, 258 00:16:08,430 --> 00:16:11,310 well, you want to ask if you want to talk about it, but then 259 00:16:11,310 --> 00:16:13,680 you want to talk about it long enough to determine that is too 260 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:15,750 big of a date and thing, you know, put onto it later. 261 00:16:17,340 --> 00:16:17,970 meetings or 262 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,610 what? But that's okay. I mean, that's really valuable. Everyone 263 00:16:20,610 --> 00:16:22,830 had everyone said something, and we have all these different 264 00:16:22,830 --> 00:16:25,860 ideas. And it's on deck, you know, it's like, everyone's in 265 00:16:25,860 --> 00:16:28,380 everyone's brain. I dig it, you know, go away, we'll figure 266 00:16:28,380 --> 00:16:31,590 stuff out. And always something always kind of comes out of the 267 00:16:31,590 --> 00:16:32,100 bottom. 268 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,180 Leading the Leading the bleeding was last night. Yeah. Oh, 269 00:16:36,270 --> 00:16:39,660 yeah, I was. Unfortunately, I was picking up my sister in law 270 00:16:39,660 --> 00:16:42,360 at the airport, which is quite a drive for us now. So I missed 271 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:43,680 it. How was it? No, 272 00:16:43,679 --> 00:16:46,589 it was great. Yeah, it was really a lot of fun. I came in 273 00:16:46,619 --> 00:16:49,319 about 30 minutes late because of something with my children's 274 00:16:49,319 --> 00:16:53,309 school. That knows really, really good. A lot of people a 275 00:16:53,309 --> 00:16:55,289 lot of questions. I mean, how many 276 00:16:55,290 --> 00:16:56,220 people do you think we're in? 277 00:16:59,250 --> 00:17:04,020 15? All right. A lot of new faces that I've never seen 278 00:17:04,020 --> 00:17:04,560 before. So 279 00:17:04,590 --> 00:17:07,080 and Dave recorded this, I presume? Yeah. He 280 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,480 said he's going to edit it up this weekend. And then post it 281 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:13,620 is cool. Very cool. A lot of good, a lot of good questions. A 282 00:17:13,620 --> 00:17:16,380 lot of people that were like, Hey, what is this? What about, 283 00:17:16,380 --> 00:17:16,770 you know, 284 00:17:17,130 --> 00:17:19,950 was it all new people and people who also were already using 285 00:17:19,950 --> 00:17:22,110 value for value or what was your sense? 286 00:17:22,590 --> 00:17:26,760 I think 90% of them were new. Perfect. Perfect. Gary, Gary 287 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:34,350 aren't and Caitlin, and Daniel J. Lewis. Were in there. And 288 00:17:34,350 --> 00:17:36,840 Dave Jackson, of course, but I mean, most of the rest of them 289 00:17:36,870 --> 00:17:40,830 and go Karen down. He was in there. But pretty much everybody 290 00:17:40,830 --> 00:17:42,300 else was fresh faced. Cool. 291 00:17:42,360 --> 00:17:48,120 Very cool. I'll put a link in the show notes. I'm so I'm so 292 00:17:48,150 --> 00:17:51,600 happy that Dave's doing this. Fantastic Dave Jackson, man, 293 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:52,260 what a legend. 294 00:17:52,740 --> 00:17:55,740 He's the perfect guy to do it too. Cuz it's like, you know, 295 00:17:56,340 --> 00:18:00,300 he's just got that laid back approach to things. So I think 296 00:18:00,300 --> 00:18:03,990 maybe we'll talk about some namespace stuff. Later on with 297 00:18:03,990 --> 00:18:04,560 our guests who 298 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:09,720 might have some input since he's a real user. Yes, sir. I'm 299 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:14,550 extremely excited. Today we'll be using the RSS generator. It 300 00:18:14,550 --> 00:18:20,100 failed on the last show. Which is the Curio Can I actually call 301 00:18:20,100 --> 00:18:23,550 it the Curio blaster just so I can remember in my head, the 302 00:18:23,550 --> 00:18:27,840 curios last. The Curio casters for receiving the Curio blasters 303 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:33,510 for sending. And I can't I can Yes, tm, I cannot wait to use 304 00:18:33,510 --> 00:18:36,330 all the tags because that's, that's what's so cool. I mean, I 305 00:18:36,330 --> 00:18:40,320 could even just start a test feed next. Anyone can do this, 306 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,110 you know it once this works. And I'd have a good feeling it'll 307 00:18:43,110 --> 00:18:46,860 work today. You can basically just say, here's my feed. And 308 00:18:46,860 --> 00:18:51,090 then you can import that. And then you add new new episodes, 309 00:18:51,090 --> 00:18:54,570 fill out all the tags, and it spits out a full RSS feed with 310 00:18:54,570 --> 00:18:56,970 all your previous entries and the new one with all the new 311 00:18:56,970 --> 00:19:00,480 tags. And then you can put that as a separate feed for testing 312 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:01,740 or replace your current one. 313 00:19:02,670 --> 00:19:06,330 So it's self holster crack is what it is self 314 00:19:06,330 --> 00:19:09,900 hosted crack. Yes. And I have a feeling that, you know, once we 315 00:19:09,900 --> 00:19:13,950 get this part working and Stephens motivated, you know, he 316 00:19:13,950 --> 00:19:17,730 could easily tie this into Oh, certainly the blueberry API I 317 00:19:17,730 --> 00:19:21,720 think. I think that's just ready to go. right the way word the 318 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:22,980 WordPress plugin does it, 319 00:19:23,460 --> 00:19:27,600 as far as I know, you know, and I still have to, should be 320 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:34,020 remiss, because I haven't contacted. Gosh, I'm losing my 321 00:19:34,050 --> 00:19:38,430 mind today. Mike from from blueberry. Right, right. Right. 322 00:19:38,430 --> 00:19:42,150 Right. I haven't contacted Mike to see if that's actually the 323 00:19:42,150 --> 00:19:45,930 case or not. But I'm really I think it is they tout their API 324 00:19:45,930 --> 00:19:49,140 all the time. So if you if you can post it through WordPress, 325 00:19:49,140 --> 00:19:51,420 you should be able to post it directly with some other 326 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:53,280 interface and we'll see why it wouldn't work. 327 00:19:53,310 --> 00:19:58,950 It'd be great. Well, I'm just excited for us. Yeah, I'm 328 00:19:58,950 --> 00:20:00,600 excited by this stuff. I love it. 329 00:20:02,010 --> 00:20:05,670 I'm actually brought i'm i've got a whole new rig here. 330 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:06,660 Oh, what do you have? 331 00:20:07,020 --> 00:20:14,580 I'm talking to you from Ubuntu 20 pawning, running my lightning 332 00:20:14,580 --> 00:20:18,210 node running an umbral. So I'm talking to you, oh, my umbral 333 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:19,080 workstation here. 334 00:20:19,170 --> 00:20:23,640 And you're using the your Scarlet interface on the on the 335 00:20:24,360 --> 00:20:25,680 bison Evo four. 336 00:20:26,070 --> 00:20:30,840 Okay, but it's plugged in your, in your boon to rig. Yeah, yeah, 337 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,560 the Mac. Mac is totally out of the picture now I'm on. Full 338 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:34,980 Ubuntu. 339 00:20:35,010 --> 00:20:36,270 Welcome to freedom sun. 340 00:20:38,700 --> 00:20:39,300 Yeah, 341 00:20:40,019 --> 00:20:44,249 yes, it's working great. I mean, it doesn't sound bad, does it? 342 00:20:44,430 --> 00:20:47,850 No, no, that's perfect. But just a boon to in general, just all 343 00:20:47,850 --> 00:20:50,460 all of the Linux variants. I like mint and they won't laugh 344 00:20:50,460 --> 00:20:54,870 at me. But it is so comfortable. You it's like Windows Mac 345 00:20:54,870 --> 00:20:56,940 doesn't matter what you're using. This thing is just 346 00:20:56,940 --> 00:20:59,370 everything's in the right place. It's all what you expected. It 347 00:20:59,370 --> 00:21:00,390 gets out of the way. 348 00:21:00,509 --> 00:21:05,009 It's fast. I haven't done desktop Linux in God, probably 349 00:21:05,009 --> 00:21:10,109 seven or eight years. It's it works now. Yeah, I was able to 350 00:21:10,109 --> 00:21:14,309 zoom in. I can run. Run. I can run every piece of software. I 351 00:21:14,309 --> 00:21:15,329 need to run on this thing. 352 00:21:15,360 --> 00:21:20,130 Yep. Yeah. And even if you have to run a Windows app wine has 353 00:21:20,130 --> 00:21:22,050 improved a lot over the years as well. 354 00:21:22,710 --> 00:21:27,240 My PHP storm. Mighty is working fine. I mean, like it's there's 355 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:31,590 nothing I haven't hit a single snag. Yeah. Always. just ran. My 356 00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:34,800 lightning road is running on the same. That's the same box. love 357 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:35,130 that. 358 00:21:35,220 --> 00:21:39,300 I love that. She did we have anything else you want to talk 359 00:21:39,300 --> 00:21:41,640 about? I mean, I know you have a list. Anything that you want to 360 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:42,870 hit before we bring in our guest? 361 00:21:44,250 --> 00:21:46,890 No, I don't think so. I mean, we we we should go out and bring 362 00:21:46,890 --> 00:21:47,310 him in. 363 00:21:47,370 --> 00:21:50,250 I think it's a good idea. Now we've been very excited about 364 00:21:50,250 --> 00:21:56,070 having our next guest on. Mainly because I don't think we've ever 365 00:21:56,310 --> 00:21:59,910 had anyone from the country of Africa on the show. We've moved 366 00:21:59,910 --> 00:22:03,090 on to the continent continent, I'm sorry, yes, excuse me, the 367 00:22:03,090 --> 00:22:07,680 continent. But also not from this country. And there was a 368 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:14,490 great blog post or medium post about him that Roy from breeze 369 00:22:14,490 --> 00:22:18,750 wrote who is an outstanding writer. And he wrote this great 370 00:22:18,750 --> 00:22:22,830 essay about our guests, and it's titled lightning in the wild. 371 00:22:22,830 --> 00:22:26,190 It's the from the jump podcast, and we might as well just bring 372 00:22:26,190 --> 00:22:29,160 him right in right now. Ladies and gentlemen, coming to you 373 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,570 from Namibia in Africa. We are very happy to welcome Nikolai 374 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:41,820 Oaken Chung Guerrero. Hey. Hello, hello, Africa. Can you 375 00:22:41,820 --> 00:22:42,570 hear me? 376 00:22:45,210 --> 00:22:48,030 Thanks for the correction on the on the continent and country. 377 00:22:48,059 --> 00:22:50,549 I know God must hate it when people do that. 378 00:22:50,850 --> 00:22:54,630 Not really. I enjoy correcting them because it's a learning 379 00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:56,460 moment. You know what I mean? Sometimes you just need a 380 00:22:56,460 --> 00:22:57,000 learning moment. 381 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:01,080 Well, I actually know quite a bit about Namibia, because I 382 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,470 thought we were interviewing you two weeks ago and so I did all 383 00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:10,020 my preparations. I'm like, Oh, I know. All I know. And I and I'll 384 00:23:10,020 --> 00:23:13,230 say right off the bat that Vin took I don't know how you guys 385 00:23:13,230 --> 00:23:13,770 pronounce it when 386 00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:19,500 you're very close. So we just say bento quinto but it's almost 387 00:23:19,500 --> 00:23:22,950 the same. It's the translation is windy corner, 388 00:23:23,070 --> 00:23:24,750 Quranic. Afrikaans makes breaking 389 00:23:26,190 --> 00:23:31,320 bread praten. So you're using the Dutch the Dutch more than 390 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:35,670 the Africans perhaps zero Afrikaans. Let's just stick with 391 00:23:35,670 --> 00:23:39,030 English. lot better for me to 392 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,260 nobody. Namibia is a super interesting country, 393 00:23:43,260 --> 00:23:48,630 historically speaking. Correct. And, you know, it's, it's very, 394 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:53,160 it's Dutch, but also really German, I would say. Because the 395 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,460 Germans tried out their whole extermination business first 396 00:23:56,460 --> 00:23:58,620 time around in Namibia did not mean that it wasn't the first 397 00:23:58,620 --> 00:23:59,670 genocide everybody. 398 00:24:00,630 --> 00:24:05,040 Correct. So like, they used us as the as the test subjects for 399 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:10,890 what they then did to the Jewish people. So so it was basically 400 00:24:10,890 --> 00:24:15,240 during World War One. There was a whole, you know, that was a 401 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,940 time when Africa was being split up amongst the different 402 00:24:17,940 --> 00:24:20,910 colonial powers you have. And it's like, yo, you get the 403 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:25,440 southwest and you get just south and you get north east. And you 404 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:30,120 get just around here. And they started. So once Germany lost 405 00:24:30,450 --> 00:24:34,440 the war, and they went through the time of shame, and they had 406 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,910 to basically bring their entire army down to the size of, I 407 00:24:38,910 --> 00:24:45,570 think it was the terminology was the police force of town. The 408 00:24:45,570 --> 00:24:49,380 entire like, countries put like army was only allowed to be that 409 00:24:49,380 --> 00:24:52,290 big. And they went through the depression and everything. 410 00:24:52,530 --> 00:24:55,680 During that time. One of the things was they gave up Namibia, 411 00:24:56,070 --> 00:25:00,510 to the UK. And then so basically was the thing of the Hey, South 412 00:25:00,510 --> 00:25:03,420 Africa, you guys are supposed to just, you know, help these guys 413 00:25:03,420 --> 00:25:07,290 transition in the meantime until they're ready for independence 414 00:25:07,290 --> 00:25:13,260 and in South Africa was like, Whoa, free money. They were 415 00:25:13,260 --> 00:25:15,360 already doing apartheid in South Africa. They were like, Oh, so 416 00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:18,000 we get to extend this. Yeah, you're not even gonna check that 417 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,330 one out. And then yeah, 418 00:25:21,330 --> 00:25:24,390 it's almost like that's what it was all about, right? 419 00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:28,560 I mean, at the end of the days, it's profitable. Why else doing? 420 00:25:29,610 --> 00:25:32,310 So now you were born and raised in Namibia been there all your 421 00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:32,700 life? 422 00:25:33,630 --> 00:25:37,710 Well, not all my life but born and raised. Yeah, Namibia, 423 00:25:37,740 --> 00:25:42,060 Namibia is home. I studied, I finished off my honors degree in 424 00:25:42,060 --> 00:25:47,010 South Africa. And then I did my masters in China. Oh, wow. Yeah, 425 00:25:47,010 --> 00:25:51,270 I've traveled a bit where I could, I've been to the states 426 00:25:51,270 --> 00:25:56,100 as well. When I was a child, like around the age of 1314. is 427 00:25:56,100 --> 00:25:59,760 very, very interesting. Like, very interesting. I got stopped 428 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:04,620 at every every single airport I got searched, sir escapes me in 429 00:26:04,620 --> 00:26:05,850 America, for 430 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:06,510 in America. 431 00:26:06,990 --> 00:26:11,160 From when I landed at JFK all the way to go to North Carolina, 432 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:16,350 to go through back to rely up to two new york the whole time, 433 00:26:16,350 --> 00:26:18,990 every airport, like laid on my arm was even like, what what is 434 00:26:18,990 --> 00:26:23,070 it about this child that you get? Really? He's 14? Like, 435 00:26:24,270 --> 00:26:28,320 I apologize for that experience. That sucks. Oh, it wasn't only 436 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,310 in America. It's happened to me. That's what I mean. Yeah, we 437 00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:34,140 should be better than that. But you know, we're a bunch of 438 00:26:34,140 --> 00:26:38,580 racists over here. Yeah, Correct. Correct. 439 00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:43,110 Yeah, around the world. Everybody's always got away to 440 00:26:43,530 --> 00:26:47,280 just yeah, make people feel a bit worse than they are feeling 441 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:47,760 at the time. 442 00:26:47,789 --> 00:26:52,379 Well, the the podcast universe and the Bitcoin universe 443 00:26:52,589 --> 00:26:55,289 completely supersedes all of that. And this is this is 444 00:26:55,289 --> 00:26:58,109 obviously a great example of it and and I was gonna say that 445 00:26:58,109 --> 00:27:01,079 when to correct that San Antonio, Texas, which is just 446 00:27:01,079 --> 00:27:04,049 down the road for me and went to our sister, sister, sister 447 00:27:04,049 --> 00:27:07,739 cities for some reason. So I feel I feel closer to you for 448 00:27:07,739 --> 00:27:08,309 that reason. 449 00:27:08,759 --> 00:27:11,159 Oh, I'm already I'm already gonna check that out. I might 450 00:27:11,159 --> 00:27:11,849 just fly down 451 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:18,060 to San Antonio beers on me. Well hang out. So don't say that. 452 00:27:19,830 --> 00:27:23,730 Namibians drink, bro, we could win. Okay, all right. Well, 453 00:27:23,730 --> 00:27:28,170 that's why we're Sister cities. That makes sense. So how did you 454 00:27:28,170 --> 00:27:31,110 get into podcasting and you know, we're very excited because 455 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,920 you're using value for value, but you had a whole path that I 456 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,470 loved reading about, and it would be great for you to just 457 00:27:37,470 --> 00:27:40,770 tell us kind of how you got into podcasting, and then 458 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,590 subsequently value for value and what your experiences have been. 459 00:27:44,790 --> 00:27:49,410 Well, firstly, thanks for having me on, guys. Like, I have to say 460 00:27:49,410 --> 00:27:52,530 what you guys have created and what you guys have done. I don't 461 00:27:52,530 --> 00:27:56,340 think you guys totally understand, like the gravity of 462 00:27:56,340 --> 00:28:00,960 how disruptive This is, like, fully, I mean, you're talking to 463 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,440 somebody that's on another continent. That is what is like 464 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,940 2.7 million people in my country, most towns are bigger 465 00:28:08,940 --> 00:28:14,700 than that. And our landmass is like, it's not like we live in 466 00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:19,200 like a luxenberg type of, you know, setups massive, like you 467 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:26,010 guys. You know, you could have some Hector's on here. So, so 468 00:28:26,010 --> 00:28:28,260 what you guys have done is really reached, I think places 469 00:28:28,260 --> 00:28:30,840 just, it's just, I need to tell you that before we start that 470 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,840 it's reached, some places you probably haven't thought it 471 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:34,620 would ever reach. 472 00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:37,799 Well, and that's brilliant. And thank you very much for that. 473 00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:40,859 But you know, it's really it's not Dave and Adam is not Dave 474 00:28:40,859 --> 00:28:43,349 and Adam and Eric, it's, it's you know, we've got a whole 475 00:28:43,349 --> 00:28:48,029 community that has just risen to the occasion. And, and everyone 476 00:28:48,029 --> 00:28:51,509 is and then this is what I mean, it turns me on big time, man, I 477 00:28:51,509 --> 00:28:53,879 get up in the morning. I'm excited. But I've never made no 478 00:28:53,879 --> 00:28:59,999 money to job I've loved so much. So really, it's really 479 00:29:00,689 --> 00:29:04,709 appreciate that so good. So and to hear it you're working for 480 00:29:04,709 --> 00:29:06,779 you in Africa is just makes us feel super. 481 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,130 Yeah. So I'm gonna I'm gonna get into just how much it works is 482 00:29:11,130 --> 00:29:14,190 actually quite. Okay. So let's just start at the beginning. So 483 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:19,110 how I got into podcasting was I was fucking bored. Right? First 484 00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:21,780 lockdown, everybody was bored. And I'm like, why am I sitting 485 00:29:21,780 --> 00:29:25,200 here? I have recording equipment from like, I bought in Asia when 486 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,780 I was there, so that I could finish off the last black 487 00:29:27,780 --> 00:29:31,050 walking albums. I was like, why don't I bring this life because 488 00:29:31,050 --> 00:29:35,430 I'm already doing voiceovers and things to make money so I can 489 00:29:35,610 --> 00:29:37,980 interview people that I know around the world. I've met a lot 490 00:29:37,980 --> 00:29:41,220 of creatives while being a creative over these years. So 491 00:29:41,220 --> 00:29:45,300 let's just talk to some of them. So I call the creative and also 492 00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:47,640 a family member of mine out in Australia, and I was like, Hey, 493 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,120 man, would you mind us recording a conversation we have like 494 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,540 visually and like audio, I want to test some things out. And 495 00:29:54,540 --> 00:29:56,640 he's like, do you know how to do any of this? I'm like, Fuck no, 496 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,990 but I'm gonna find out like School on YouTube. And it's 497 00:30:00,990 --> 00:30:03,480 like, you know what you sound like you want to do this. So 498 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,260 like, go ahead. And we'd recorded the first episode and 499 00:30:07,290 --> 00:30:11,310 edited it down everything just downloaded fuckin Final Cut goes 500 00:30:11,310 --> 00:30:14,190 like this go Let's go. went ahead. I mean, I had free 501 00:30:14,190 --> 00:30:18,000 internet, so why not free was paid for already but I mean, I 502 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,210 didn't have to like push out any more than I was already paying. 503 00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:24,060 And I was like okay, let's just jump into this we don't need to 504 00:30:24,060 --> 00:30:26,610 go to sleep, we can't even go out and party because 505 00:30:26,610 --> 00:30:29,850 everybody's locked down so let's just learn. So learn learn how 506 00:30:29,850 --> 00:30:34,080 to do that. And yeah next thing we add, you know a couple of 507 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,720 episodes called more people and they were all like wrote up oh 508 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,990 cuz I mean I've also as I said, I've gone through the stages of 509 00:30:40,140 --> 00:30:44,580 getting to at least an MBA. So I know how to write a proposal at 510 00:30:44,580 --> 00:30:45,180 least to say, 511 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,150 let me ask you a question. So what you are hosting with your 512 00:30:48,150 --> 00:30:50,190 own your own internet server? 513 00:30:50,820 --> 00:30:54,390 I'm still right now. Not my own internet server I'm running off 514 00:30:54,390 --> 00:30:59,430 of, of course, like my SP but like, so I'm still paying for my 515 00:30:59,430 --> 00:31:03,810 internet. Right? It's not my it's just off of a normal 516 00:31:03,810 --> 00:31:04,650 router. Right now 517 00:31:04,650 --> 00:31:08,130 I understand. And how do you create your RSS feed? do 518 00:31:08,130 --> 00:31:12,120 you do that? Oh, so that, you know, I was for so long trying 519 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,280 to figure out that's why I was loving the conversation you guys 520 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,560 were having earlier? Because I was like, wait, what's going on 521 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:21,720 here? I can host my Yeah. Been waiting, like I've been waiting. 522 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:26,730 So I found I did a lot. I'm a research buff. So that's also 523 00:31:26,730 --> 00:31:29,760 how I came to this entire Bitcoin space of value for 524 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,130 value. And everything was all through research and being like, 525 00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:35,280 but there has to be a way and I need to find it out. So I was 526 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,010 like, Okay, how would I do this? And then I was like, everybody's 527 00:31:38,010 --> 00:31:40,830 like, No, you should use anchor and I'm like, Wait, let me read 528 00:31:40,830 --> 00:31:42,990 the terms and conditions. And I was like, what do you what do 529 00:31:42,990 --> 00:31:43,620 they mean? 530 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:45,810 Let me ask, let me ask you a question. 531 00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:51,150 As an as read all terms and conditions, as in Namibia, as in 532 00:31:51,150 --> 00:31:51,870 me being 533 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:58,200 an A on the continent of Africa? Is it not so that most Africans 534 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:04,830 will say, it's free? Really? Because it's not there, you guys 535 00:32:04,830 --> 00:32:07,470 know that this that free? Things free language 536 00:32:08,190 --> 00:32:11,460 for you. Like, you might go with it and be like, let's see. Let's 537 00:32:11,460 --> 00:32:14,370 see where it's gonna stop being free. Haha, let's let's see, 538 00:32:14,460 --> 00:32:17,220 because it just doesn't make sense. Like, if, when the first 539 00:32:17,220 --> 00:32:19,800 time I heard if it's free, you're the product. I was like, 540 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:20,220 duh. 541 00:32:23,700 --> 00:32:27,060 And I guess what I'm saying is it to me, it feels like Africans 542 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:32,460 who have who've who understand financial, meddling and dress 543 00:32:32,490 --> 00:32:37,290 and in all kinds of financial shit, that you would know that 544 00:32:37,290 --> 00:32:40,590 me. There's always a bad outcome to something free. I mean, 545 00:32:40,590 --> 00:32:43,380 that's it. We don't know that anymore. In our country. We're 546 00:32:43,380 --> 00:32:47,130 so used to Oh, free two for one is great. And never think about 547 00:32:47,130 --> 00:32:47,940 the downside. 548 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,230 Yeah, I think it's not even just in your country, I think more 549 00:32:52,230 --> 00:32:55,080 than the financial aspect is just Africans have been taken 550 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,260 advantage of right? So many different ways that it's like, 551 00:32:58,260 --> 00:33:01,860 bro, there's only so many ways that you can skin a cat. Yeah, 552 00:33:01,950 --> 00:33:05,220 that I haven't seen before. Like, like, if you are, let's 553 00:33:05,220 --> 00:33:09,030 put it this way, if you work at a place where your job is to 554 00:33:09,030 --> 00:33:15,120 clean fish every day, all day? How many different ways do you 555 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,810 think you can show this person whose literal job it is to put 556 00:33:18,810 --> 00:33:22,140 food on the table? To clean fish? Yeah, how to clean a fish, 557 00:33:22,170 --> 00:33:24,840 right? Like we've seen so many different ways they know so many 558 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,690 techniques that they know is time wasting What? So they like 559 00:33:27,690 --> 00:33:30,510 yeah, Africans will look at you and be like, I've seen this 560 00:33:30,510 --> 00:33:35,100 hustle. I also know that you haven't fully pulled it off yet. 561 00:33:35,100 --> 00:33:37,770 So I could reverse so you on this if you're not careful. 562 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,780 Let's play along and tell us not to play along. Also, you know, 563 00:33:42,780 --> 00:33:44,460 sometimes works, sometimes it 564 00:33:44,460 --> 00:33:48,900 doesn't. Excellent. So how are you data? Did you wind up 565 00:33:49,230 --> 00:33:50,550 creating your RSS feed? 566 00:33:51,270 --> 00:33:55,110 So yeah, so after I read the terms and conditions of anchor 567 00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:58,020 and realize that they were actually owned by Spotify, and 568 00:33:58,020 --> 00:34:02,280 that Spotify literally holds all ownership of once you put it up 569 00:34:02,490 --> 00:34:06,210 to them? They can they can go ahead and cut it up and you'll 570 00:34:06,210 --> 00:34:09,390 never see a dime without the user. So I was like we you just 571 00:34:09,390 --> 00:34:11,550 told me that you got to do this. No, I'm not doing that. So then 572 00:34:11,550 --> 00:34:16,590 I found red circle. And I was like, Wow, you guys are just 573 00:34:16,590 --> 00:34:21,660 gonna allow me like for free. And give me statistics on like, 574 00:34:21,660 --> 00:34:25,140 what? Okay, cool. Let's let's test this out. Until today. red 575 00:34:25,140 --> 00:34:29,790 circle has led me down once. I haven't had to pay a dime to use 576 00:34:29,790 --> 00:34:34,050 red circle. I've spoken with them on integrations of our 577 00:34:34,050 --> 00:34:38,970 features, which I feel is really a thing that only works in most 578 00:34:38,970 --> 00:34:42,000 blockchain and podcasting spaces where you don't have to go 579 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,790 through 10 different email spaces to get to one person to 580 00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:48,840 change something. I love it. Yes. And that's how I got to 581 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,240 hosting it the first time and then I learned about how to 582 00:34:51,240 --> 00:34:55,710 integrate it with podcast index. After a long time it was like 583 00:34:55,740 --> 00:34:59,970 first we got to springs and then springs chat. I was like 584 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:00,690 Something's wrong. 585 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,800 Let's go back for a second. So, okay, you started because you 586 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,010 started podcasting. And we were looking for a business model 587 00:35:08,010 --> 00:35:10,350 right then and there you considered advertising? Have you 588 00:35:10,350 --> 00:35:12,720 considered other ways of making money? Did you even want it? was 589 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:15,420 it was it about making money? What was it just because you 590 00:35:15,420 --> 00:35:17,130 were bored and just see where it goes? 591 00:35:17,730 --> 00:35:19,740 Well, you see, in the beginning, it definitely wasn't about 592 00:35:19,740 --> 00:35:21,990 making money. I was literally just bought one or two, like, 593 00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:24,930 literally, it was about exposing conversations that creatives 594 00:35:24,930 --> 00:35:28,320 have that I know creatives have all the time as a creative, but 595 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,110 there's, there's no camera, the fans don't get that interaction. 596 00:35:31,350 --> 00:35:34,440 But I know that people learn from these interactions I've 597 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,980 learned from them, right? So I'm like, how do I get this in front 598 00:35:37,980 --> 00:35:40,830 of the people that needed the most? Because people are always 599 00:35:40,830 --> 00:35:43,290 like, Oh, you know, that guy's so lucky to become that artist 600 00:35:43,290 --> 00:35:46,560 or she, she did this. And then you know, like, I wonder how 601 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,180 they enter. I'm like, Okay, let me show you how they got there. 602 00:35:48,180 --> 00:35:51,180 Let me show you the struggles from the voice, not from me 603 00:35:51,210 --> 00:35:54,600 writing down what they told me, I'm gonna put them in front of 604 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,440 you. I'm going to ask them the questions in a setting where 605 00:35:58,500 --> 00:36:03,180 they don't have to lie. They don't have to censor themselves 606 00:36:03,330 --> 00:36:05,460 in the way that they're going to deliver the story. They're going 607 00:36:05,460 --> 00:36:07,590 to enjoy telling you the story. And you're going to feel the 608 00:36:07,590 --> 00:36:10,950 authenticity, because it's on a podcast, and it's not on radio. 609 00:36:11,130 --> 00:36:13,800 What is it? There's nobody to censor? What is the media 610 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:18,000 landscape like in an Emmy bfgf state run television and radio? 611 00:36:19,020 --> 00:36:24,510 Well, yeah, but we also have independence. They are 612 00:36:24,510 --> 00:36:27,810 independence of both. But at the same time, personal radio 613 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,570 reaches the most. But again, it's like any other type of 614 00:36:30,570 --> 00:36:33,930 media. What is the media saying? Whether it's state run, or 615 00:36:33,930 --> 00:36:38,310 whether it's privately owned, the narrative is still held by a 616 00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:41,130 central authority that decides what they want to tell you 617 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,890 correct? Whether it's all the truth or partially the truth. 618 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,150 You know, and that's again, another reason why we're, we're 619 00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:51,030 here with Bitcoin and blockchain, it's to make sure 620 00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:53,250 that like the future doesn't look like the best. 621 00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:58,110 Yeah, yeah. Let me let me ask you something about podcasting 622 00:36:58,110 --> 00:37:01,080 in Namibia, as far I mean, how much consumption of podcasting 623 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:06,690 is there, and help? For those who do listen to podcasts? What 624 00:37:06,690 --> 00:37:09,210 app are they primarily using? Because some, some countries are 625 00:37:09,210 --> 00:37:12,420 heavily dominated by Spotify and others are, you know, just all 626 00:37:12,420 --> 00:37:13,110 over the map? 627 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,670 Okay, yeah, no, so um, so what? So what happens is that there 628 00:37:17,670 --> 00:37:20,820 was a small like, about two, three years ago, there was a 629 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,270 before COVID Expo two years before COVID, there was a small 630 00:37:25,980 --> 00:37:29,610 movement of podcasts really, really great podcast, but juicy. 631 00:37:29,610 --> 00:37:32,700 Also, the thing is, how do you monetize? So a lot of them 632 00:37:32,700 --> 00:37:34,890 disappeared, most of them disappeared. And there was 633 00:37:34,890 --> 00:37:37,980 another one that happened during COVID. Of course, because people 634 00:37:37,980 --> 00:37:40,350 were at home, people had equipment, they had different 635 00:37:40,350 --> 00:37:43,830 ways to want to express themselves. So that really 636 00:37:43,830 --> 00:37:48,270 pushed the podcasting movement forward a lot. And for me, it's 637 00:37:48,510 --> 00:37:53,280 always about trying to introduce a new medium where it wasn't 638 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,880 before if the people hold power. And that's what podcasting for 639 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,660 me is because there's no rules yet. So the creators literally 640 00:38:00,660 --> 00:38:02,880 can say, this is what we're going to do, this is what we're 641 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:09,360 not going to do. And because it's like that here, a lot of it 642 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,410 became very authentic. It wasn't like, Let's chase, what Joe 643 00:38:13,410 --> 00:38:17,220 Budden is doing, or Let's chase what Joe Rogan is doing. It was, 644 00:38:17,220 --> 00:38:19,890 uh, let's see how it's gonna work for Namibia with Namibian 645 00:38:19,890 --> 00:38:25,290 topics, try to move it right. And in that, I think it's like 646 00:38:25,290 --> 00:38:27,750 literally out we have a streaming service. It's called 647 00:38:27,750 --> 00:38:31,680 danu. Africa. But it works for not just Namibia, it's to help 648 00:38:31,980 --> 00:38:34,920 expose the movie and talent to the rest of Africa. At the same 649 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,500 time, we're putting African talent also on there for 650 00:38:37,500 --> 00:38:42,840 Namibians to stream. So they now put up podcasting. I was the 651 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,140 first podcast that they put up as well, that has now pushed 652 00:38:46,140 --> 00:38:48,930 podcasting and more of that streaming is a lot more coming 653 00:38:48,930 --> 00:38:53,100 of them into the sphere of where it was just dominated by music. 654 00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:57,660 What is the Yeah, we always hear a lot about the bandwidth costs 655 00:38:57,690 --> 00:39:02,310 in in other countries, for people, you know, using some and 656 00:39:02,310 --> 00:39:07,140 I presume that all you most are using Android smartphones. But I 657 00:39:07,140 --> 00:39:11,880 don't know. I mean, what is your typical phone contract? Like? I 658 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,550 mean, how much better how much data can you get? I mean, is 659 00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:15,270 that an issue? 660 00:39:16,170 --> 00:39:19,620 Well, that is a great question. I'm not gonna lie to you. And 661 00:39:19,620 --> 00:39:22,680 that is a great because you'll be amazed by the answer. So 662 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,250 like, South Africa has the worst right next to us. So Africa is 663 00:39:26,250 --> 00:39:29,310 probably the worst rates in Africa. In my opinion, I don't 664 00:39:29,310 --> 00:39:31,290 know about the red but like, so Africa has really shitty rates 665 00:39:31,290 --> 00:39:35,430 for data. Namibia, on the other hand, when you look at it, like, 666 00:39:35,460 --> 00:39:37,650 okay, there's different parts of this. So let's just talk about 667 00:39:37,650 --> 00:39:42,390 the data first. So we don't most of us don't use contracts. As 668 00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:45,420 like, I don't have a contract phone. You buy the phone and 669 00:39:45,420 --> 00:39:48,030 then you use a pay as you go because we have something called 670 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,690 it's basically like a weekly contract that you can pay as you 671 00:39:51,690 --> 00:39:54,150 go contract that you can subscribe to every week. It's 672 00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:57,480 called soup, like one of the aware packages. So you get you 673 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,570 you sign up on a package and you say, Okay, I want so much data, 674 00:40:00,870 --> 00:40:05,040 I want so many minutes. I want, you know, so many SMS is. And 675 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,970 that's it for seven days. You get that and then you renew 676 00:40:08,970 --> 00:40:12,000 after seven days. So that's like 15 Namibian dollars 50 Rand is 677 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:20,100 about, wow, we should change this into sets. Now cheap 678 00:40:20,430 --> 00:40:23,460 compared to what you guys would pay for a contract again, you 679 00:40:23,460 --> 00:40:26,970 guys get upgrades with your contracts. And then with your 680 00:40:26,970 --> 00:40:30,600 phones to your trade ends, which also doesn't work like that. But 681 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:35,310 at the same time, what we pay for like, let's say, three 682 00:40:35,310 --> 00:40:41,400 gigabytes of data, right, just for my mobile phone. Yeah, okay, 683 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,040 look, I'm just gonna tell you what it is right now. So I pay 684 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,040 for mine. That's three US dollars every week. 685 00:40:48,090 --> 00:40:49,380 Oh, wow. That is so 686 00:40:50,580 --> 00:40:53,550 that's, that's what I use that for is three gigabytes of data. 687 00:40:53,850 --> 00:40:59,160 I use it for about 500 SMS is and about 90 to 120 minutes with 688 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:00,450 over a minute. And 689 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:06,210 whose is this Telecom, the media are there another. 690 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,440 So that's MTC Namibia telecom actually has the best while when 691 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,470 they work. The data package gives you like way more 692 00:41:15,630 --> 00:41:19,980 hooked up to Chinese crap, or is China not figured out Namibia 693 00:41:19,980 --> 00:41:20,370 yet? 694 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,730 No. So you see, like, the relationship between China and a 695 00:41:23,730 --> 00:41:28,200 movie is also a very unique one. Yes. It's also it's also it's 696 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,870 contentious between the people itself, but also very 697 00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:33,960 respectful. It's very weird. It's very weird so that they 698 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,110 don't, they don't interfere where you don't allow them to 699 00:41:37,110 --> 00:41:40,650 interfere. And I've always known as like, again, I did my masters 700 00:41:40,650 --> 00:41:43,770 in China, and I saw it there first. And it's like, they're 701 00:41:43,770 --> 00:41:47,220 not there to take advantage that you're not willing to give up. 702 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,970 If you're willing to sell out. They have the money. I mean, is 703 00:41:50,970 --> 00:41:54,120 it really them taking advantage of you selling to them. And this 704 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,640 is also another aspect of the conversation. It's not to say 705 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,310 that they aren't like Chinese companies that you're taking mad 706 00:41:59,310 --> 00:42:02,100 advantage, like, but that's that's literally every 707 00:42:02,100 --> 00:42:05,820 capitalistic system out here. This is why we're trying to make 708 00:42:05,820 --> 00:42:09,630 a buck creating, like economy exists everywhere, so that we 709 00:42:09,630 --> 00:42:13,830 don't have to deal with this bullshit from anybody. And this 710 00:42:13,830 --> 00:42:17,490 is the freedom that podcasting 2.0 showed me was possible, not 711 00:42:17,490 --> 00:42:20,850 because I read it somewhere. But because I could literally build 712 00:42:20,850 --> 00:42:24,390 a node with my hands. Never ever put anything technical together 713 00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:27,690 in my life. But I built it. And I'm sitting there and I'm like, 714 00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:30,240 Oh, shit, something's wrong. Okay, let's go into play. Oh, 715 00:42:30,450 --> 00:42:33,210 okay, I forgot to do this. But all right, let's go back in 716 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:38,670 turn, okay, this took in total half an hour. And I even forgot 717 00:42:38,670 --> 00:42:44,010 the fan, which I bought the next day. But I was like, Well, I can 718 00:42:44,010 --> 00:42:46,590 put the fan on now. Because this thing is downloading. And I'm 719 00:42:46,590 --> 00:42:49,710 not stopping this. I waited and then after you already synced, 720 00:42:50,190 --> 00:42:54,540 very cool. Now we've got this. Okay, so BTC pay server I want 721 00:42:54,540 --> 00:42:58,110 to get to but this podcasting 2.0 thing is very interesting in 722 00:42:58,110 --> 00:43:00,810 other golf. Once I got in there, I was like, Alright, guys. 723 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,780 So how did you? I know you were searching around and researching 724 00:43:03,780 --> 00:43:05,880 how did how did you bump up against podcasting? 725 00:43:06,569 --> 00:43:09,929 So basically, what I did was I released season one from the 726 00:43:09,929 --> 00:43:12,959 jump, right? I got all of the data I could because again, you 727 00:43:12,959 --> 00:43:15,989 know, from my master's research, I know how to present data. And 728 00:43:15,989 --> 00:43:19,499 I'm like, Okay, cool. Let's get all the data of everybody that's 729 00:43:19,499 --> 00:43:23,069 listening, how long they all have it from all of the 730 00:43:23,069 --> 00:43:26,159 services, put it into a proposal, go to corporates and 731 00:43:26,159 --> 00:43:29,819 be like, Hey, guys, this is I can show you why you should 732 00:43:29,819 --> 00:43:33,449 invest in this pod. Why this is the way to get data out and 733 00:43:33,449 --> 00:43:36,839 like, this is the way for the for the future generations to 734 00:43:36,839 --> 00:43:39,419 look at you like somebody that's actually coming up and paying 735 00:43:39,419 --> 00:43:45,479 attention. They were like, No, no, they just like this. So I 736 00:43:45,479 --> 00:43:47,789 think they saw like, they were just like, okay, so I met you 737 00:43:47,789 --> 00:43:50,309 and they looked at the quality of what I was, I don't know what 738 00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:52,499 the problem was like, I didn't even give them pricing and they 739 00:43:52,499 --> 00:43:56,849 were just like, no. Cool. Let's find another way because I'm not 740 00:43:56,849 --> 00:43:59,699 gonna stop doing what I'm doing just because I can't make money 741 00:43:59,699 --> 00:44:02,219 from begging corporates. And then I was like, What is this 742 00:44:02,219 --> 00:44:06,419 value for value thing? Wow. I was like, wait a minute, so I 743 00:44:06,419 --> 00:44:10,769 just need to know. Mm hmm. Alright, and then this is what 744 00:44:10,769 --> 00:44:13,919 we do. Oh, we already have the RSS feed right here. Okay. Oh, 745 00:44:14,249 --> 00:44:18,539 oh, that's this is it. And I was like, This is too easy. I fucked 746 00:44:18,539 --> 00:44:23,129 something up. No way. That like, I just had to click like five, 747 00:44:23,129 --> 00:44:25,859 six buttons, pulling a little bit here. And then all of a 748 00:44:25,859 --> 00:44:28,799 sudden, like, this is gonna be a next thing. I knew I started 749 00:44:28,799 --> 00:44:32,909 receiving sets. And I was like, This is stupid. What's the 750 00:44:32,909 --> 00:44:33,569 coverage? 751 00:44:34,259 --> 00:44:38,969 Like, but what's the coverage of people who do Bitcoin in 752 00:44:38,969 --> 00:44:43,199 Namibia? Like I saw a thing that said that I think Bitcoin in 753 00:44:43,199 --> 00:44:48,869 Africa as a whole had grown like 800% last year, but is that is 754 00:44:48,869 --> 00:44:51,779 that hold for maybe is there a lot is there a lot of Bitcoin in 755 00:44:51,779 --> 00:44:54,059 the movie already? It's not a lie. I'll tell 756 00:44:54,060 --> 00:44:56,400 you this, right. There's the people keep it a secret here. 757 00:44:56,910 --> 00:45:00,330 Everybody like even even before like, but I had to put it You 758 00:45:00,330 --> 00:45:04,170 know, you have to also, again, it's one node. So it's like you 759 00:45:04,170 --> 00:45:07,140 can make another one. It's not like you can only have one. So 760 00:45:07,140 --> 00:45:09,990 as like this one, we can talk a bit and make sure that people 761 00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:12,810 understand how to use it by being in the case study, right? 762 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:17,370 So then I found out the more I spoke about Bitcoin, the more 763 00:45:17,370 --> 00:45:20,700 people came out the woodwork that we're like a buddy. Are you 764 00:45:20,700 --> 00:45:23,310 trading? Because like, I want to know because like, my my trading 765 00:45:23,310 --> 00:45:26,910 strategies, I'm like, well, what's going on over you, bro? 766 00:45:26,910 --> 00:45:29,940 Last time I saw you you owned like a gambling houses like 767 00:45:29,940 --> 00:45:33,180 Look, man times move, you know, technology? What are what I'm 768 00:45:33,180 --> 00:45:36,540 not okay, cool. And then another person approaches me like, you 769 00:45:36,540 --> 00:45:40,440 know, I didn't know that anybody else knew. But I bought 0.5 770 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:45,000 Bitcoin when it was at like, 2000. Why are you telling me 771 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,800 this road. But I started realizing like people are mining 772 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,400 people, but nobody's talking about it. Why? Because they 773 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,670 don't want other people to know what the fuck they're doing. And 774 00:45:56,670 --> 00:46:00,360 I'm like, Guys, the point of it is we need to talk about it. So 775 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,390 that other people don't feel like this is a lie. Because you 776 00:46:03,390 --> 00:46:07,110 know, it's true. And the more that people adopt it, the better 777 00:46:07,110 --> 00:46:09,870 it is. For all of us. This is not something you can buy all of 778 00:46:09,870 --> 00:46:13,860 you don't have enough money. So just stop that dream. Like, by 779 00:46:13,860 --> 00:46:17,790 sharing the knowledge, you free so many people that you 780 00:46:17,790 --> 00:46:21,510 literally free yourself. It's the craziest paradox now 781 00:46:22,770 --> 00:46:24,480 feels the same for us, I would say, 782 00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,320 yeah. And if you compare that to something like Venice, like, 783 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,590 excuse me, El Salvador, where, you know, you're seeing a little 784 00:46:31,590 --> 00:46:34,470 bit of protest right now about the Bitcoin laws. But I think 785 00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:38,700 some of that could have, if you look at it, like, if you're open 786 00:46:38,700 --> 00:46:42,090 about it, if there's no secrecy around it, then you see that 787 00:46:42,090 --> 00:46:45,120 there's actually a lot more involvement and a lot more 788 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,240 participation than there is rather than coming in and doing 789 00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:51,030 it sort of live from the top down and applying it to the 790 00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:53,850 country, you can see that it's more organic, and the country 791 00:46:53,850 --> 00:46:56,160 itself is choosing to do that. 792 00:46:56,580 --> 00:46:59,610 Correct. I mean, look, let's be honest, guys, the best way for 793 00:46:59,610 --> 00:47:04,350 Bitcoin to be adopted by any mess, you know, country, 794 00:47:04,380 --> 00:47:07,770 continent, whatever is for it not to be seen as something that 795 00:47:07,770 --> 00:47:11,670 the lead to, yeah, it needs to be seen that every person, the 796 00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:16,080 everyday person on the street, can use this saving this, do 797 00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,840 whatever they want with this, the same way that the 798 00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,020 millionaire cat or the billionaire cat, that's the only 799 00:47:22,020 --> 00:47:24,900 way that this works, if it gets seen as something that only a 800 00:47:24,900 --> 00:47:27,750 few hold the knowledge of, and only they can use, it will 801 00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:30,810 always be seen as a scam. Because for the everyday person, 802 00:47:30,810 --> 00:47:33,630 they're like, but I already have this that I can use, and nobody 803 00:47:33,630 --> 00:47:36,270 wants to show me that one. So it must be a lie, or something 804 00:47:36,270 --> 00:47:39,930 that's above my knowledge. And that's that's why education in 805 00:47:39,930 --> 00:47:43,200 the space is so great. That's why I love plevna it's just a 806 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,080 bunch of people throwing knowledge at you every day, 807 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,100 when it comes to value for value, which is, you know, kind 808 00:47:50,100 --> 00:47:55,350 of the the core of the whole idea of which, you know, the 809 00:47:55,350 --> 00:47:58,470 lightning streaming payments are the real world implementation of 810 00:47:58,470 --> 00:48:01,650 that the the concept that we've been building for for a long 811 00:48:01,650 --> 00:48:08,850 time. It's a it's a weird hurdle for most, most Westerners in 812 00:48:08,850 --> 00:48:11,550 general, when you so they say how do you make money? Well, I 813 00:48:11,550 --> 00:48:14,070 asked people to send me whatever they think the ship was worth. 814 00:48:14,310 --> 00:48:20,610 How is that perceived in? in Namibia, the value for value 815 00:48:20,610 --> 00:48:23,580 transaction and pricing mechanisms are not really 816 00:48:23,580 --> 00:48:26,460 saying, hey, I want this much and you don't get it if you 817 00:48:26,460 --> 00:48:27,090 don't pay me. 818 00:48:28,380 --> 00:48:34,110 Okay, so we're still very much at the stage of educating people 819 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,700 more on how that really works. But I'll tell you this, it's a 820 00:48:38,700 --> 00:48:44,190 lot more. It's way easier here. And the reason is, because 821 00:48:44,190 --> 00:48:48,090 there's already been a value for value. Most most artists in 822 00:48:48,090 --> 00:48:53,010 Namibia don't have agents. So it's already, I'm selling you my 823 00:48:53,010 --> 00:48:58,080 CD out of my backpack. Out of the Budo my car, I'm selling you 824 00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,680 the shoes that I made, or the jewelry that I'm creating you 825 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:06,270 picking up from my house, it's a direct thing that's already been 826 00:49:06,270 --> 00:49:09,480 happening and has always happened. Because, again, like 827 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,120 why am I making this go through the bank where I'm paying bank 828 00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:16,110 charges, right? Right drawers for holding fees, then, you 829 00:49:16,110 --> 00:49:18,270 know, this is a whole lot of different things that happened 830 00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:22,350 when I already don't have money like that, when you can just pay 831 00:49:22,350 --> 00:49:26,010 me right now. So it's not difficult to jump to understand 832 00:49:26,010 --> 00:49:29,130 where the value for value is. This is why I want to use the 833 00:49:29,130 --> 00:49:32,430 creatively because creatives are the ones that understand the 834 00:49:32,430 --> 00:49:36,090 easiest, paid back door all the time. Hey, man, listen, you 835 00:49:36,090 --> 00:49:38,550 know, we didn't make so much at the door today. So we can only 836 00:49:38,550 --> 00:49:42,240 pay you in a bottle of Hennessy. Is that all right? And it's 837 00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:45,690 like, what else am I gonna say? No, we're not drink. I'm not 838 00:49:45,690 --> 00:49:47,820 gonna get money. So you already understand that somebody is 839 00:49:47,820 --> 00:49:49,710 taking advantage for you, but they'll give you something of 840 00:49:49,710 --> 00:49:52,110 value that you might value. You can still sell that bottle of 841 00:49:52,110 --> 00:49:55,200 Hennessy if you don't drink, right. But at the end of the 842 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,050 day, you there's a value transfer. That might be 843 00:49:58,050 --> 00:50:01,380 improper. It's not it's not equal. But it's there. So you 844 00:50:01,380 --> 00:50:04,350 understand the concept. Now I tell you that you can get this 845 00:50:04,350 --> 00:50:08,100 value transferring a currency and acid whichever way you want 846 00:50:08,100 --> 00:50:11,220 to see it that is appreciating in value, I can pay you 200. 847 00:50:11,220 --> 00:50:15,150 Today, it can be worth 500. Tomorrow. Yeah, it can also be 848 00:50:15,150 --> 00:50:18,990 with 100 tomorrow, but the next day, it can be worth 700. In 849 00:50:18,990 --> 00:50:23,280 this, all you got to decide is do do you value the asset that 850 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,580 you now hold? Because you want to learn more of why it's able 851 00:50:26,580 --> 00:50:29,670 to do this? Or do you want to transfer it back into something 852 00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:31,650 that you're going to use and be broken a couple of because you 853 00:50:31,650 --> 00:50:34,620 can, you can always ask them another 200 bucks, right. But 854 00:50:34,620 --> 00:50:37,950 now you're holding something that keeps showing you value 855 00:50:37,950 --> 00:50:42,390 movements, while you Oh man, man, my mind is just moving so 856 00:50:42,390 --> 00:50:42,750 fast. 857 00:50:43,770 --> 00:50:47,070 This came up on the leading the bleeding last night, when we 858 00:50:47,070 --> 00:50:51,570 were talking about just we get into the idea of of people 859 00:50:51,570 --> 00:50:54,660 putting their value blog in their podcast, but not 860 00:50:54,660 --> 00:50:58,230 necessarily advertising it. So let's just say they are they're 861 00:50:58,230 --> 00:51:00,750 already making lots of money on their podcast, and they're 862 00:51:00,900 --> 00:51:03,630 afraid of confusing their audience with Bitcoin or 863 00:51:03,630 --> 00:51:07,320 whatever. And you know, the the idea is that you can, you can 864 00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:11,640 put value for value into your podcast, with with streaming 865 00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:16,560 satoshis. And you can have that in the people that know it. As 866 00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,680 the movement grows, we'll find it. And then what you're doing 867 00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,810 is you're just adding to your ex, you're adding to your 868 00:51:21,810 --> 00:51:25,380 income. And it's almost like I thought about this this morning. 869 00:51:26,310 --> 00:51:30,810 It's kind of like your existing monetization. And maybe that's 870 00:51:30,810 --> 00:51:33,720 your paycheck. And streaming value for value is your 871 00:51:33,720 --> 00:51:38,910 retirement fund. And so you can have sort of everybody says, 872 00:51:39,060 --> 00:51:42,570 multiple streams of income is always the best. So if you put 873 00:51:42,570 --> 00:51:45,540 all your eggs in any one basket, you probably don't want to put 874 00:51:45,540 --> 00:51:49,260 them all in Bitcoin either. So you know, even though you're a 875 00:51:49,260 --> 00:51:53,070 bit, you know, we're Bitcoin believers necessarily. Having 876 00:51:53,070 --> 00:51:56,400 multiple, having multiple avenues in order to monetize is 877 00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:00,180 always going to be, you know, preferable. Sure. Yeah. 878 00:52:01,469 --> 00:52:04,499 That's a brilliant point. Right. So like, for myself, I was 879 00:52:04,499 --> 00:52:07,109 always thinking about the altcoins at the beginning, was 880 00:52:07,109 --> 00:52:09,479 like, I mean, this is all make sense, right? And more and the 881 00:52:09,479 --> 00:52:12,359 more I read, I was like, This, things don't make sense. But, 882 00:52:12,839 --> 00:52:17,249 but what I did learn was that, you know, let's say, okay, you 883 00:52:17,249 --> 00:52:20,039 buy your Bitcoin, you put some in cold storage, you put some on 884 00:52:20,039 --> 00:52:23,219 your node, you know, and then you leave some money exchange. 885 00:52:23,549 --> 00:52:27,299 And with that you leave on the exchange, take some of it, get a 886 00:52:27,299 --> 00:52:31,109 little bit of interest in out coins, trade those alt coins, do 887 00:52:31,109 --> 00:52:34,289 your exits, try and see you know, get a little bit of day 888 00:52:34,289 --> 00:52:38,009 rush. What but do it with the interest you get on your 889 00:52:38,009 --> 00:52:42,779 Bitcoin? Don't sell your Bitcoin for altcoins and then hope to 890 00:52:42,779 --> 00:52:45,719 make a fortune and then when you lose that and also don't have 891 00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:50,279 Bitcoin or you just crying or rather use because for me, I'm 892 00:52:50,279 --> 00:52:53,369 like, we just as I'm like, Guys, you can literally make free 893 00:52:53,369 --> 00:52:56,939 money. With interest, that doesn't matter. You can still 894 00:52:56,939 --> 00:53:00,479 take your Bitcoin off, go put it away, and then just like I have 895 00:53:00,479 --> 00:53:04,349 no Bitcoin on exchanges, I do have all coins. And it's fun to 896 00:53:04,349 --> 00:53:06,509 see, like every now and then when you can pump things and 897 00:53:06,509 --> 00:53:08,669 everybody thinks that they know and you're like, yeah, doesn't 898 00:53:08,669 --> 00:53:12,479 really matter, bro. Like this is gambling, gambling, what else 899 00:53:12,479 --> 00:53:16,799 but the rest of the holding and like seeing how over time, it 900 00:53:16,799 --> 00:53:20,999 literally in value. It's so mind blowing, and enabling something 901 00:53:20,999 --> 00:53:21,419 grow larger. 902 00:53:21,540 --> 00:53:25,140 And maybe it's using Bitcoin in day to day commerce and 903 00:53:25,140 --> 00:53:25,770 transaction. 904 00:53:25,770 --> 00:53:28,500 So this is what I'll tell you guys, right. So with exchanges 905 00:53:28,500 --> 00:53:32,370 around the globe, the minimum that you can buy is 300. 906 00:53:32,370 --> 00:53:36,030 Namibian around the same equivalency the Namibian dollar 907 00:53:36,030 --> 00:53:41,340 in the South African Rand. So one, two, so the money is 300. 908 00:53:41,340 --> 00:53:45,090 Right. So all exchanges have a minimum. So there was a there's 909 00:53:45,090 --> 00:53:48,870 a company in Namibia, the first episode of season two of my 910 00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:54,240 podcast is with the CEO of the company becoming four. So it he 911 00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:58,260 owns land defer.com, right, or runs land defer, which is 912 00:53:58,260 --> 00:54:00,900 basically an onboarding. They don't they're not noncustodial 913 00:54:00,900 --> 00:54:04,200 or all long, they just a way that you can buy through them. 914 00:54:04,650 --> 00:54:08,400 And they are compliant as a company with the Central Bank of 915 00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:13,260 Namibia. So they do all the risk for you of like that. And then 916 00:54:13,260 --> 00:54:17,760 like us though, it's so crazy so useful when you buy your Bitcoin 917 00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,010 from them. They ask you they send you in the like, which 918 00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,920 which one do you want to use to receive it and that's where it 919 00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,980 gets sent. So they upgraded recently and incorporated the 920 00:54:25,980 --> 00:54:27,420 lightning network. Ah, 921 00:54:27,780 --> 00:54:28,890 now you can do 922 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:34,140 that. is so crazy guys. I can buy five Namibian dollars. Let 923 00:54:34,140 --> 00:54:36,630 me tell you how much in your mind nothing in your money but 924 00:54:36,630 --> 00:54:43,020 Oculus five Namibian dollars is 33 cents in your monitoring for 925 00:54:43,020 --> 00:54:49,050 magic number. I can buy that right in Bitcoin. I can even buy 926 00:54:49,050 --> 00:54:51,600 one Namibian dollar bananas. This is five Namibian dollars 927 00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:55,620 right through them. But now what I do is I add them as as a 928 00:54:55,620 --> 00:54:58,200 beneficiary on my bank account, and I pay them like you pay any 929 00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:02,130 other beneficiary and then it goes onto a actual Fiat wallet 930 00:55:02,790 --> 00:55:06,390 on the site and then whenever it so basically if Bitcoin takes a 931 00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:09,630 dump, I can decide right then I want to buy only this much and 932 00:55:09,630 --> 00:55:12,060 go to this wallet through lightning and only pay this 933 00:55:12,060 --> 00:55:14,850 little fee. Right and we go. But that sounds 934 00:55:15,659 --> 00:55:16,679 very similar to stripe. 935 00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:19,260 Yeah, well, it sounds like we don't, again, we don't have, 936 00:55:19,470 --> 00:55:21,150 this is what they were trying to do. But they don't only do it 937 00:55:21,150 --> 00:55:22,980 for Namibia, they're trying to move it out to the rest of 938 00:55:22,980 --> 00:55:26,310 Africa as well, step by step, but this is this is the part 939 00:55:26,310 --> 00:55:30,000 that really gets you even further right. So even when you 940 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,700 want to sell your Bitcoin, you can do it right there and the 941 00:55:32,700 --> 00:55:34,980 money will go to that wallet and you can move it back to your 942 00:55:34,980 --> 00:55:38,580 bank account or keep it on day two, then reuse at a different 943 00:55:38,580 --> 00:55:45,060 time. So you could literally trade your account, if you know 944 00:55:45,060 --> 00:55:49,200 when to buy and sell those dubs with what you have just on that 945 00:55:49,260 --> 00:55:53,580 account. But even more you could dollar cost average it because 946 00:55:53,580 --> 00:55:55,710 in the movie we have this thing where if you let's say us you 947 00:55:55,710 --> 00:55:59,400 swipe your bank, your f&b bank account right our bank card to 948 00:55:59,490 --> 00:56:03,960 fill up for gas and little percentage goes into what's 949 00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,720 called a savings pocket it's like a small thing that they put 950 00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:09,690 on your side for you it's like the sense that get rounded up 951 00:56:10,050 --> 00:56:13,140 right those go into a small wallet that you can oh so you 952 00:56:13,140 --> 00:56:15,960 get paid out that every month but you can now buy bitcoin in 953 00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,930 that without having to think about like oh I have to budget 954 00:56:18,930 --> 00:56:23,940 for like more dollar cost average purchases right so nice 955 00:56:23,969 --> 00:56:26,939 but people don't actually exchange Bitcoin lightning or 956 00:56:26,939 --> 00:56:30,329 otherwise between each other for payments you're still doing I 957 00:56:30,329 --> 00:56:30,539 mean 958 00:56:30,570 --> 00:56:34,470 currently we have is there's there's people I mean, I accept 959 00:56:34,470 --> 00:56:38,820 Bitcoin payments I sold my my equipment my some of my 960 00:56:38,820 --> 00:56:42,900 recording equipment to produce lightning. I know guys that do 961 00:56:42,900 --> 00:56:46,530 woodwork. Very nice pieces that they also accept but when when 962 00:56:46,530 --> 00:56:49,560 payments come even for my voice of I know I know a lot I know 963 00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:53,280 people that get paid literally the day to day jobs. They get 964 00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:57,750 paid in Bitcoin. It's not that it's not it's not existed. It's 965 00:56:57,750 --> 00:57:00,720 just not well known. Yeah, it's not well used. It's more like 966 00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:03,930 subculture still kind of to them. It's like you know, when 967 00:57:03,930 --> 00:57:06,450 you can you can still walk and be like, Hey, I just need like a 968 00:57:06,450 --> 00:57:09,960 tomato in your SEO is the cash like, I don't need the rest of 969 00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:15,300 it. Right. So But with that, it allows for the growth of Bitcoin 970 00:57:15,300 --> 00:57:18,030 organically because when I was in China, I could walk around 971 00:57:18,030 --> 00:57:20,610 the street and just be like with my phone no money in hand and be 972 00:57:20,610 --> 00:57:23,820 like, amen. I want to get a beer or a packet of cigarettes and I 973 00:57:23,820 --> 00:57:28,080 could just scan a QR code and I could pay it right yeah, this is 974 00:57:28,140 --> 00:57:32,220 this is that on a global scale? Because now let's let's let's do 975 00:57:32,220 --> 00:57:36,420 a quick one. You you coming to Namibia. Now you have to change 976 00:57:36,450 --> 00:57:39,150 exchange your money from US dollars or wherever? Where are 977 00:57:39,150 --> 00:57:40,200 you guys? Actually I don't even know. 978 00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:42,330 Texas, Texas, 979 00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:44,760 Texas and Alabama. Okay, there we go. So you're gonna have to 980 00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,520 change your US dollars once you get here to Namibian dollars 981 00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,950 right and then you're gonna use that when you want to go home 982 00:57:49,950 --> 00:57:51,810 you're gonna start having a million dollars over and you 983 00:57:51,810 --> 00:57:53,970 like there's no point in exchanging this back or taking 984 00:57:53,970 --> 00:57:57,870 with me like what the fuck is this now? But when you come here 985 00:57:57,900 --> 00:58:03,720 in Bitcoin you stay in bed. You stay in bed? Let's say you can 986 00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,960 do your you can do your shopping in Bitcoin. You can do your 987 00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,710 paying for gas in Bitcoin at certain outlets, of course, you 988 00:58:10,710 --> 00:58:14,670 can do your game driving Bitcoin, once that becomes the 989 00:58:14,670 --> 00:58:17,070 norm because I'm still giving you money. 990 00:58:18,210 --> 00:58:22,710 And so why not podcasting for 2.0? And the value for value 991 00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:26,190 streaming is exactly that. Yes. An easy way for people to 992 00:58:26,190 --> 00:58:29,460 understand the commerce. Do you see a lot of listeners loading 993 00:58:29,460 --> 00:58:33,810 up apps and and streaming from Namibia? 994 00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:39,030 Well, this is the thing. So I always thought like, how do I 995 00:58:39,030 --> 00:58:42,960 actually track this the way I can with, you know, with 996 00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,500 Spotify, or with an apple podcast? Because they tell me 997 00:58:46,500 --> 00:58:49,230 Okay, this person because they've got all the job? You 998 00:58:49,230 --> 00:58:51,870 know, all the tracking is there, right? We're now working on a 999 00:58:51,870 --> 00:58:54,960 system where we're trying not to check each other that much. So 1000 00:58:55,260 --> 00:59:01,500 what I do see is more of the excitement, you know, in myself 1001 00:59:01,500 --> 00:59:04,830 and also for other people when I'm like guys, do you use my 1002 00:59:04,830 --> 00:59:08,730 phone pinging and it just says received so much Bitcoin receive 1003 00:59:08,730 --> 00:59:11,820 some? Because that's every minute with a telegram. But I've 1004 00:59:11,820 --> 00:59:19,560 set up through it. Yeah. Yeah, I was like, wait a minute, like, 1005 00:59:19,590 --> 00:59:22,620 this is possible. I set it up. I was like, let's see. And then I 1006 00:59:22,620 --> 00:59:26,910 got the routing ones. And I was like, wait a minute. I just use 1007 00:59:26,970 --> 00:59:29,940 I'm asleep. And I'm literally just a ping goes off. And I'm 1008 00:59:29,940 --> 00:59:32,850 like, I just made 682 satoshis. Your 1009 00:59:32,850 --> 00:59:34,170 routing? Oh, wow. 1010 00:59:35,340 --> 00:59:39,000 And then like later on, like so earlier today, before this, I 1011 00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,340 was on my way to a meeting and then like it just kept going 1012 00:59:41,370 --> 00:59:44,550 off. It's just 58 satoshis 58 resources, and it's every minute 1013 00:59:44,550 --> 00:59:46,920 because somebody is busy streaming. Yeah. And I'm like, 1014 00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:47,790 This is crazy. 1015 00:59:50,699 --> 00:59:53,699 You're literally stacking SAS and I agree this is a golden 1016 00:59:53,699 --> 00:59:58,019 opportunity for podcasters because the SATs you stack now, 1017 00:59:58,409 --> 01:00:03,029 as you say, I mean just today It's like real financial bank 1018 01:00:03,059 --> 01:00:10,469 analysts saying Bitcoin 180 this year, maybe over 200,000 you 1019 01:00:10,469 --> 01:00:13,859 know, and it doesn't really matter to me. For me personally 1020 01:00:13,859 --> 01:00:17,969 as a podcaster just seeing those payments come in regardless of 1021 01:00:17,969 --> 01:00:22,439 the amount it was just so I know that someone is enjoying what I 1022 01:00:22,439 --> 01:00:24,899 have created somewhere else in the world and that's just a 1023 01:00:24,899 --> 01:00:25,889 great feeling. 1024 01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,610 Thank you. Thank you. And that's that's literally and you can see 1025 01:00:29,610 --> 01:00:33,960 by minute it's like okay, maybe I fucked up around 145 I should 1026 01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:38,430 say yeah, that's when the payment stuff coming in. You 1027 01:00:38,430 --> 01:00:44,610 literally this valves thing for me is this is free guys. I'm not 1028 01:00:44,610 --> 01:00:48,990 paying a service. This you guys all create the ship for free 1029 01:00:49,020 --> 01:00:53,160 around the world. All of these coders, programmers, Shadow 1030 01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:56,160 coders, whatever you want to call them. They creating all 1031 01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:59,820 this stuff for free. It's just because they want it to exist a 1032 01:00:59,820 --> 01:01:03,450 powerful movement man. It's powerful. It's beyond powerful. 1033 01:01:03,510 --> 01:01:07,560 This is this is not even revolutionary. This is this is 1034 01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:11,460 like you know when they felt like the what if series that are 1035 01:01:11,460 --> 01:01:14,790 out right now the Marvel ones that give you fuck up the time 1036 01:01:14,790 --> 01:01:21,270 paradox and everything. This is what that is. Between is what if 1037 01:01:23,730 --> 01:01:27,420 Think about it, like, like you can literally as a creative in 1038 01:01:27,420 --> 01:01:32,670 Namibia, right now be paid in Bitcoin from somebody anywhere 1039 01:01:32,670 --> 01:01:36,030 in the world. Anyway, I literally got a payment the 1040 01:01:36,030 --> 01:01:39,840 other day, I put up a post where I said, Do you guys know all the 1041 01:01:39,870 --> 01:01:44,400 QR codes that are on my posters for the for the podcast? Are 1042 01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,820 lightning enabled and you can send me satoshis somebody sent 1043 01:01:47,820 --> 01:01:53,070 me like 10,000 sets and said Who am I? Where am I? What am I? 1044 01:01:53,250 --> 01:01:56,940 Nobody knows. This is the lightning network. That was the 1045 01:01:56,940 --> 01:01:57,390 note. 1046 01:01:58,770 --> 01:01:59,910 Fucking magic. 1047 01:02:02,159 --> 01:02:05,249 So you can get booster grams. Are you getting this? 1048 01:02:05,310 --> 01:02:08,100 Oh, no, I don't I don't know what the booster gram is yet. I 1049 01:02:08,100 --> 01:02:14,790 was trying to read so much this. 1050 01:02:16,469 --> 01:02:18,659 Hey, tell him about the booster. gram. 1051 01:02:18,690 --> 01:02:21,930 Yeah. Yeah, booster gram, you know. So with a lightning 1052 01:02:21,930 --> 01:02:26,070 message, you can embed data in there with it and arbitrary 1053 01:02:26,070 --> 01:02:31,050 data. And so with the booster grams, what we're doing is 1054 01:02:31,050 --> 01:02:36,240 putting in a certain structured message, and then anybody can 1055 01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:40,740 attach a message to it. So Brees is working on this right now, as 1056 01:02:40,740 --> 01:02:43,530 some of the other podcast apps already do it. So once Brees 1057 01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:46,560 puts this in, somebody will be able to go into the breeze app, 1058 01:02:47,370 --> 01:02:50,130 hit the boost button and it'll pop up a text box and they can 1059 01:02:50,130 --> 01:02:53,760 type your message in there with it with the boost. And then you 1060 01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:57,030 can pull it off your lightning node and see the message that 1061 01:02:57,030 --> 01:02:58,950 they sent you along with their sometimes you just 1062 01:02:59,070 --> 01:03:07,890 got it. Just receive 291 2091 says that was for me. Yeah, so 1063 01:03:08,130 --> 01:03:10,890 so it works because of breeze did the message come through? 1064 01:03:12,300 --> 01:03:15,870 Well, I'm seeing it off of my telegram. Right, but you don't 1065 01:03:15,870 --> 01:03:19,890 see it. I can't see the message. Right. But I'll get it. I'll get 1066 01:03:19,890 --> 01:03:23,010 it when I get into my note. I should be able to see it. But 1067 01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:25,740 you need to speak you need a special script, which Dave can 1068 01:03:25,740 --> 01:03:26,520 hook you up with? Are 1069 01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:31,770 you are you using? Please do are using satoshis stream? Are you 1070 01:03:31,770 --> 01:03:33,930 Oh yes. So note he has his own you have your own lightning. 1071 01:03:35,190 --> 01:03:39,240 Guys, I'm telling you, you guys need me go in and create to 1072 01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:40,110 build this thing. 1073 01:03:42,989 --> 01:03:45,329 We all went through the curve man, we all went 1074 01:03:45,330 --> 01:03:48,240 through it. But you know, what is the most brilliant curve of 1075 01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:54,810 All Time goes from there? I was like No, no, this isn't the end. 1076 01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:58,050 So then I started learning Python, like a month ago cuz I 1077 01:03:58,050 --> 01:03:59,910 was like, I need to know what the rest of this is because I 1078 01:03:59,910 --> 01:04:02,730 want to also do like command line. And then like when I 1079 01:04:02,730 --> 01:04:04,680 stopped I was like, This is the fucking greatest thing of my 1080 01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:09,330 life is gonna continue so we have we have 1081 01:04:10,050 --> 01:04:13,500 Python you can run you can run the booster grand scream? Yeah, 1082 01:04:13,679 --> 01:04:15,029 yeah. And they can extract 1083 01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:18,660 that I'm still learning I'm still learning as I'm always a 1084 01:04:18,660 --> 01:04:20,640 pleasure, always a pleasure slept for life. 1085 01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:26,820 So you know, we've along with podcasting 2.0 we've also built 1086 01:04:26,820 --> 01:04:29,760 in not just the value for value, but a lot of other features. 1087 01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:31,950 Have you been able to take advantage of any of these yet? 1088 01:04:31,950 --> 01:04:36,180 Have you have you? Have you seen any of the new Apple for 1089 01:04:36,180 --> 01:04:39,150 instance, breeze does chapters I don't know if you if you don't 1090 01:04:39,150 --> 01:04:40,350 think you're using those. 1091 01:04:41,550 --> 01:04:45,270 I'm not using chapters yet. So the thing with me is I like to 1092 01:04:45,270 --> 01:04:48,570 take things like step by step so I can I can, I can literally 1093 01:04:48,570 --> 01:04:52,170 explain it to somebody as the case study. Because so in two 1094 01:04:52,170 --> 01:04:55,770 weeks, I'm gonna start doing the onboarding events. I call them t 1095 01:04:55,770 --> 01:04:59,310 POC events, the pursuit of knowledge events. So basically 1096 01:04:59,310 --> 01:05:02,610 what these are Are edutainment events where bring creatives 1097 01:05:02,610 --> 01:05:08,820 like comics, live performers, and I get them their own QR 1098 01:05:08,820 --> 01:05:12,960 codes right now we're going to be using as buddy and l&t x bot, 1099 01:05:13,170 --> 01:05:15,660 so that they can literally have the QR codes out there to 1100 01:05:15,780 --> 01:05:20,490 receive tips from people at the event who will also be getting 1101 01:05:20,610 --> 01:05:23,970 as part of So, okay, so I'll let the cat out the bag a little 1102 01:05:23,970 --> 01:05:27,600 bit. So basically, when when you buy a ticket for the event, part 1103 01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:32,220 of that money comes back to you in Bitcoin in satoshis. So then 1104 01:05:32,220 --> 01:05:37,500 you can at the event, learn how to use it. That's literally face 1105 01:05:37,500 --> 01:05:40,620 it. So instead of me giving you a whole lecture about how the 1106 01:05:40,650 --> 01:05:43,740 technology works, and be like, Listen, go over there and go buy 1107 01:05:43,740 --> 01:05:49,170 yourself a beer. Good. You like that song? There's this QR code, 1108 01:05:49,170 --> 01:05:50,700 you worry about the money 1109 01:05:50,699 --> 01:05:54,599 just so these are pure Bitcoin onboarding events. And yeah, so 1110 01:05:54,599 --> 01:05:58,349 get what they're about, yeah, get people on board and show 1111 01:05:58,349 --> 01:06:01,469 them how to use a new podcast app. 1112 01:06:02,340 --> 01:06:06,360 And that's what again, so so that's how I've got breeze 1113 01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,910 involved. And I was like, you know, because I literally use 1114 01:06:08,910 --> 01:06:11,790 breeze myself to listen to podcasts. And not just to listen 1115 01:06:11,790 --> 01:06:14,040 to podcasts, but also you know, that the other apps that are 1116 01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:17,580 within it, and then how like I keep looking at podcasting, but 1117 01:06:17,580 --> 01:06:21,810 there's so much technology guys, it's like to get everything you 1118 01:06:21,810 --> 01:06:24,750 have to you have to break it up. And that's why I was like, okay, 1119 01:06:24,750 --> 01:06:27,600 with these podcasts over there with the onboarding events, I 1120 01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:31,380 need to make them at least three different ones so that people 1121 01:06:31,380 --> 01:06:34,320 take real knowledge from them and don't feel too overwhelmed. 1122 01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:39,360 Because if you if you if I push at you with podcasting and then 1123 01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:42,690 I throw the fact that this QR codes and then there's there's 1124 01:06:42,690 --> 01:06:45,990 you know, two bucks in this and people are like, wait a minute, 1125 01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:51,060 what, right but if I start at just the step of you when you 1126 01:06:51,060 --> 01:06:54,630 walk in hey, here's some Bitcoin Oh, what can I do from this as 1127 01:06:54,630 --> 01:06:58,170 you keep working? Hello We do our specials are we have this in 1128 01:06:58,170 --> 01:07:00,960 this that you can buy only in Bitcoin but the rest of the menu 1129 01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:04,200 you can buy it, it changes people's specifics from getting 1130 01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:07,710 in the door. You really like Hmm, maybe I should spend some 1131 01:07:07,710 --> 01:07:10,140 of this you know this the cheapest things on the menu 1132 01:07:10,140 --> 01:07:12,360 anyway, add on mind. And then later on, you're like, I 1133 01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:14,400 shouldn't have spent the Bitcoin let me find out how I can get 1134 01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,910 more and just keep it in you. You go in want to know more like 1135 01:07:17,910 --> 01:07:18,600 the rest of us. 1136 01:07:18,990 --> 01:07:23,850 There was a really nice line in the article that Roy wrote. And 1137 01:07:23,850 --> 01:07:28,440 he says nicolaes knowledge entrepreneur, and I really liked 1138 01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:31,860 that term. Is that something that Roy made up? Or do you? I 1139 01:07:31,860 --> 01:07:34,740 mean, I'm sure you are, but you consider yourself a knowledge is 1140 01:07:34,740 --> 01:07:36,780 that something you say knowledge entrepreneur? 1141 01:07:37,770 --> 01:07:42,300 Okay, not not exactly like that. I feel flattered it that 1142 01:07:42,330 --> 01:07:45,000 statement. I mean, Ray's a really brilliant, brilliant guy. 1143 01:07:46,230 --> 01:07:51,300 What he does with that company's amazing, but um, so So for me, 1144 01:07:51,390 --> 01:07:54,960 knowledge transfer has always been the greatest thing that can 1145 01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:59,220 happen in humanity. If I can teach you something that you can 1146 01:07:59,220 --> 01:08:02,160 then literally, but I can teach it to you in a way that you 1147 01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:06,000 really know it, not just kinda, but you understand that you can 1148 01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:09,240 teach this to somebody else. That's knowledge transfer. If I 1149 01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:13,620 can get to a point where I can give you the knowledge I have. I 1150 01:08:13,620 --> 01:08:16,710 don't, it's like the thing of You don't have to be king, like 1151 01:08:16,740 --> 01:08:20,250 you can kill a revolutionary, but you can never kill the idea 1152 01:08:20,250 --> 01:08:24,660 of revolution, right? So if you can't kill the idea, all you 1153 01:08:24,660 --> 01:08:29,760 need to do is properly convey it. Once that happens, they can 1154 01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:33,600 kill you. But the fact that that idea is out there in a way that 1155 01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,660 can be retaught means it's the same thing with Bitcoin, you can 1156 01:08:36,660 --> 01:08:42,240 take my note down, but you can't take down all of you. It's the 1157 01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:45,450 exact same thing with knowledge. If you spread it into one mind 1158 01:08:45,510 --> 01:08:49,650 that can move it to another mind. It's done. The revolution 1159 01:08:49,650 --> 01:08:54,990 will never die. Because it can't. It's impossible for it to 1160 01:08:54,990 --> 01:08:57,090 you'd have to literally extinguish the whole world 1161 01:08:57,090 --> 01:08:58,560 because you don't know who knows. 1162 01:08:59,159 --> 01:09:04,439 Well, they are trying. That's why they're trying to go to 1163 01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:10,469 other planets. This is a whole project podcasting. 2.0 the 1164 01:09:10,469 --> 01:09:15,509 board meeting, this podcast is all value for value. And that 1165 01:09:15,509 --> 01:09:19,949 means that just like Nikolai in Namibia, we also count on people 1166 01:09:19,949 --> 01:09:27,209 supporting us. Dave, you got your paper nearby to thank a few 1167 01:09:27,209 --> 01:09:31,439 people on this. When it comes to knowledge transfer, Nikolai. And 1168 01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:35,459 I just love to say this out to repeat it. This is how the value 1169 01:09:35,459 --> 01:09:39,239 for value system really the model really works is when 1170 01:09:39,239 --> 01:09:43,439 people are supporting you. You have a mechanism that allows 1171 01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:46,769 people to also feed back which in turn is also contributing to 1172 01:09:46,769 --> 01:09:49,859 the show itself with content, but it's this it's closing the 1173 01:09:49,859 --> 01:09:53,549 loop on on the value. So you know, it's like someone says i 1174 01:09:53,549 --> 01:09:57,659 thought you know, the show was worth x, I sent it in, and we're 1175 01:09:57,659 --> 01:10:00,779 gonna acknowledge that and that can be you know, can be also 1176 01:10:00,779 --> 01:10:03,089 include reading a message, but it's the acknowledgement of 1177 01:10:03,089 --> 01:10:06,779 receive. Thank you. And I would say people already message us a 1178 01:10:06,779 --> 01:10:10,469 lot in just the numerology of it, which is something I love. 1179 01:10:10,499 --> 01:10:13,319 The numerology is very, very powerful stuff. So what do we 1180 01:10:13,319 --> 01:10:13,529 have 1181 01:10:13,530 --> 01:10:17,280 Dave? Yeah, we've got to get two weeks worth of stuff here. 1182 01:10:18,660 --> 01:10:19,380 Buckle up. 1183 01:10:19,410 --> 01:10:23,820 Yeah, yeah, buckle up. We got started off, Marco arment gave 1184 01:10:23,820 --> 01:10:24,870 us $500 1185 01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:29,220 there is Mr. overcast, supporting his projects. Thank 1186 01:10:29,220 --> 01:10:32,220 you very much. I know he's working on those cloud chapters. 1187 01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:35,760 And I'm waiting for it. I'm excited to see him. 1188 01:10:37,500 --> 01:10:42,210 Thank you, Mark. Thank you. We also got Franco celerio gave us 1189 01:10:42,210 --> 01:10:47,850 $100, the developer of cast ematic Ah, and he said Dave, and 1190 01:10:47,850 --> 01:10:51,240 Adam and everybody involved in podcasting. 2.0 This would never 1191 01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:54,360 have happened without your work, passion and dedication. I'm 1192 01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:57,450 happy to announce cast emetic new beta supports value for 1193 01:10:57,450 --> 01:11:01,770 value payments, Bo matic.com. Slash beta. Thank you so much. 1194 01:11:02,070 --> 01:11:06,150 Okay, hold on a second. So I got to make a note to myself cast. 1195 01:11:06,300 --> 01:11:08,250 Matt is iOS only correct? 1196 01:11:08,580 --> 01:11:10,920 iOS only. And it's I've been playing with it for the last 1197 01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:13,560 couple of days. Really good app. Good, really, really good. 1198 01:11:13,590 --> 01:11:16,890 I'm gonna give that a plug on now Sunday's no agenda. 1199 01:11:17,550 --> 01:11:20,070 You know, I would say that anybody who uses these apps, 1200 01:11:20,070 --> 01:11:23,850 like a lot of the iOS app is apps, at least, they do have an 1201 01:11:23,850 --> 01:11:27,240 in app subscription, where you can support the developer and I 1202 01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:29,700 encourage everybody to do that too. Definitely. Because that 1203 01:11:29,730 --> 01:11:33,780 that gives them a good stable base of income. And usually it's 1204 01:11:33,780 --> 01:11:36,270 not too much. It's maybe 10 bucks a year or something. 1205 01:11:36,330 --> 01:11:39,210 And you know, whenever you whenever you like, something 1206 01:11:39,210 --> 01:11:43,590 you're listening to, you can always use a booster gram and 1207 01:11:43,590 --> 01:11:47,700 just boost the gram, the the app developer straight up. Yeah, it 1208 01:11:47,700 --> 01:11:49,710 doesn't doesn't have to go to everybody doesn't have to go to 1209 01:11:49,710 --> 01:11:52,800 the podcast. Or you can just say Hey, man, thanks for your great 1210 01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:53,100 app. 1211 01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:58,860 Great, thank you, Frank. Good drip Scott gave us $57.57 1212 01:12:01,410 --> 01:12:08,010 Thank you, Dr. Also, happy birthday guys. So thank you. And 1213 01:12:08,010 --> 01:12:11,790 Happy birthday to you as well. Double birthday. It is. It is 1214 01:12:11,790 --> 01:12:13,440 we're celebrating everything here today. 1215 01:12:14,970 --> 01:12:17,460 Thank you. Scott says Happy birthday. Adam. The world is a 1216 01:12:17,460 --> 01:12:18,930 better place with you in it go. 1217 01:12:19,950 --> 01:12:23,760 Very tiny. Very kind of you driving. 1218 01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:31,680 Dave Jackson gave us $50. And he said my second down payment on 1219 01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:36,630 my shirt. Yeah. gave his address. Yeah. You got a shirt 1220 01:12:36,630 --> 01:12:37,680 coming to you. Of course. Thank 1221 01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:40,890 you, Dave. And thank you for all you're doing with the school of 1222 01:12:40,890 --> 01:12:45,210 podcasting. And she was the new one Dave the leading the 1223 01:12:45,210 --> 01:12:48,270 bleeding. The bleeding. Yeah. Good. Good name. Leaving the 1224 01:12:48,270 --> 01:12:48,810 bleeding. 1225 01:12:49,050 --> 01:12:52,050 Yeah, Nicola, we got to get a shirt down to you. We need your 1226 01:12:52,050 --> 01:12:55,020 address, man. Oh, I will definitely send you guys that. 1227 01:12:55,050 --> 01:12:59,700 Yeah, email me your address and your shirt size. Oh, definitely. 1228 01:12:59,730 --> 01:13:06,450 Awesome. See, we got Shawn McCune did an automatic 1229 01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:09,870 subscription. monthly subscription. remonte dollars. 1230 01:13:09,900 --> 01:13:14,010 Yeah. All right. And he said I just set up a monthly $20 Pay 1231 01:13:14,010 --> 01:13:17,370 Pal. I'll switch it to crypto once I get all that figured out. 1232 01:13:18,180 --> 01:13:18,480 Right. 1233 01:13:18,869 --> 01:13:19,409 Thank you. 1234 01:13:25,290 --> 01:13:30,120 Seth goats gave us $25 one time donation. Thank you, sir. No, 1235 01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:34,710 no, there was no get a budget booster grams. Holy cow. We're 1236 01:13:34,710 --> 01:13:35,070 getting Oh 1237 01:13:35,070 --> 01:13:39,120 my goodness. And I got my first birthday booster Graham today. 1238 01:13:39,660 --> 01:13:43,980 He has the first one in the list. Yeah. So Nicola, this is 1239 01:13:44,010 --> 01:13:48,420 this is the way this works. Once you there, we have a script that 1240 01:13:48,420 --> 01:13:51,690 you can run on your node that will pull out these messages for 1241 01:13:51,690 --> 01:13:57,060 you. So any, any boosts that have text messages attached, 1242 01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:00,120 it'll show you the name, who they're from, how many sets it 1243 01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:03,600 was, what the timestamp was during the episode that they 1244 01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,810 boosted you at. And the message if there is one. So we got to 1245 01:14:06,810 --> 01:14:07,770 get you setting up on that. 1246 01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:12,660 I'm sending you my email address right now. You're gonna love me. 1247 01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:16,530 Wow. And the thing is, it's already working. We've already 1248 01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:18,600 you already have them sitting there. You just need the script 1249 01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:22,830 to get them off off of your node. Exactly. And oh, wow. 1250 01:14:22,980 --> 01:14:33,480 Yeah, so Dred Scott gave, he donated 57,057 boost booze. Dang 1251 01:14:34,260 --> 01:14:37,800 adolescent acid but birthday boost that's hard to say. Please 1252 01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:41,910 accept this booster gram of 57,057 SATs in honor of Adam's 1253 01:14:41,910 --> 01:14:45,750 birthday. Jingle says streamer. I don't know what jingle that 1254 01:14:45,750 --> 01:14:45,960 is. 1255 01:14:45,990 --> 01:14:47,220 Wait sat streamer, 1256 01:14:47,309 --> 01:14:48,509 stat sat streamer. 1257 01:14:48,540 --> 01:14:55,110 I don't know what that is. Let me see. streamer. I don't know 1258 01:14:55,110 --> 01:15:00,960 anything about that streamer. Find it wasn't 1259 01:15:01,020 --> 01:15:04,200 what Isn't that an Ellen Ellen bits instance like that 1260 01:15:04,440 --> 01:15:08,940 extension that they have, which is almost like the with with 1261 01:15:08,940 --> 01:15:12,630 Spotify when you stream whatever song The person you pay them 1262 01:15:12,630 --> 01:15:15,270 while they play whatever song It was. I think it was one of those 1263 01:15:15,270 --> 01:15:15,900 I don't know. 1264 01:15:16,230 --> 01:15:19,440 But dread, dude, Thank you man. That's it. I think that's a 1265 01:15:19,440 --> 01:15:20,100 topper. 1266 01:15:21,180 --> 01:15:25,650 You know what this proves we've got a few of these big, big 1267 01:15:25,650 --> 01:15:30,750 boosts. Uh huh. And it proves to me that we can work. It works. 1268 01:15:30,870 --> 01:15:34,410 Yeah, like you don't have to just boost 1000 SATs like the 1269 01:15:34,440 --> 01:15:37,140 the bigger stuff also gets routed properly as well 1270 01:15:37,170 --> 01:15:38,190 not sure does. 1271 01:15:39,780 --> 01:15:47,640 See? John's BRT jet john s BRT is who this is from? I'm not 1272 01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:52,980 sure how that know what it is. That says hello, again, from the 1273 01:15:52,980 --> 01:15:55,830 Auburn Citadel. Yeah, using fountain today. Great app. 1274 01:15:55,830 --> 01:16:01,770 50,000 steps. coming in. 1275 01:16:04,620 --> 01:16:09,600 Hold on a second, but just just just stop for a second. One year 1276 01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:16,350 ago, only 52 episodes of the show is just an idea. Dave Jones 1277 01:16:17,370 --> 01:16:22,920 was just an idea. Now there's 50,000 SATs coming through. Only 1278 01:16:22,950 --> 01:16:23,820 pinch me. 1279 01:16:25,470 --> 01:16:28,620 This is what I've been trying to tell you. Like, you guys 1280 01:16:28,620 --> 01:16:32,760 understand what you've achieved here. Like, it's only that they 1281 01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:36,450 told you who they were what they just did it with? No, no. 1282 01:16:38,730 --> 01:16:42,000 Yeah, we get that too. It's just the whole thing is just it's 1283 01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:42,810 mind boggling. 1284 01:16:43,590 --> 01:16:48,090 is crazy. I want to actually ask you guys a question. What? What 1285 01:16:48,090 --> 01:16:53,700 drove you guys? What drove you to be like, Hey, this is an 1286 01:16:53,700 --> 01:16:56,460 idea. Like, how did you come up with this? 1287 01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:01,920 Well, well, this Yeah, this is a little more. Okay. In a 1288 01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:02,550 nutshell. 1289 01:17:03,239 --> 01:17:05,459 It just in a nutshell. Yeah. Don't give me the whole of 1290 01:17:05,459 --> 01:17:05,909 course, no, 1291 01:17:05,910 --> 01:17:09,900 I just, I wouldn't want to bore you. I would be I would be a bad 1292 01:17:09,990 --> 01:17:16,110 host. Now, I'm just I always wanted to do a real project with 1293 01:17:16,110 --> 01:17:19,710 Dave Jones. And we've been working on stuff for 10 years. 1294 01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:23,580 And, and I really enjoyed working with him. Because, you 1295 01:17:23,580 --> 01:17:27,870 know, we've come up with some crazy ass idea. And then we go 1296 01:17:27,870 --> 01:17:30,870 implement it. And then you know, and we have all this like, okay, 1297 01:17:30,870 --> 01:17:34,350 maybe and it was always because we wanted to do it. It was it's 1298 01:17:34,350 --> 01:17:38,460 kind of esoteric shit. You know, it's like RSS feeds aggregators. 1299 01:17:38,490 --> 01:17:43,890 opml, outliners. You know, it's, it's not really a huge category 1300 01:17:43,890 --> 01:17:47,700 anywhere. And so whenever we had something, and people be like, 1301 01:17:47,700 --> 01:17:51,030 go, what, okay, they never would get it, the only thing we had 1302 01:17:51,030 --> 01:17:53,340 was the name freedom controller, which we thought was, you know, 1303 01:17:53,340 --> 01:17:56,580 it's kind of like, it's an oxymoron. It's a dichotomy. It's 1304 01:17:56,580 --> 01:17:59,700 all this, it twists your brain. And that's right, because no one 1305 01:17:59,700 --> 01:18:05,190 ever caught on to any of our ideas. But, um, for me, 1306 01:18:05,190 --> 01:18:11,250 personally, it wasn't until I understood I had made an error, 1307 01:18:11,820 --> 01:18:15,900 you know, a years ago with Steve Jobs, and I'd given him the 1308 01:18:15,900 --> 01:18:19,770 index and not that I giving him the the index we had at the 1309 01:18:19,770 --> 01:18:23,250 time, which is five or 6000 podcasts. Not that that was 1310 01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:27,060 wrong. But the error I made is, I forgot what that would mean. 1311 01:18:27,300 --> 01:18:31,500 And so I woke up one day after, you know, not being podcasting. 1312 01:18:31,500 --> 01:18:34,440 We're not really being involved in the community in the end, in 1313 01:18:34,440 --> 01:18:39,600 general. And I saw that Apple had a stronghold, and I smelled 1314 01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:43,020 things, you know, that were coming. And they did one deep 1315 01:18:43,020 --> 01:18:46,560 platforming of a number of like a number of podcast, which was 1316 01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:50,310 in it was actually in coordination with deep 1317 01:18:50,310 --> 01:18:53,640 platforming via Twitter and Facebook, and I saw that power 1318 01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:58,260 and like, Oh, no, no, we have to stop that. And at the same time, 1319 01:18:59,220 --> 01:19:03,060 I, you know, I don't even know how or why, but this lightning 1320 01:19:03,060 --> 01:19:11,250 network came into my field of view. And, and I said, Well, I 1321 01:19:11,250 --> 01:19:14,790 see how we can do streaming money and complete the value for 1322 01:19:14,790 --> 01:19:17,400 value loop. And that's what I would call Dave. So Dave, you 1323 01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:18,630 would have to answer from there. 1324 01:19:19,440 --> 01:19:22,680 Yeah, no, no. And my response to that was, yeah, cool. Let's do 1325 01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:22,770 it. 1326 01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:28,890 Pretty much. And that is literally most of the response 1327 01:19:28,890 --> 01:19:31,590 throughout this whole Bitcoin community that I've seen since 1328 01:19:31,590 --> 01:19:35,130 the beginning of when I got here was Oh, yeah. What do you want 1329 01:19:35,130 --> 01:19:38,190 to see what happened? give me give me a second. Let's do it. 1330 01:19:38,220 --> 01:19:40,140 Yeah. And then next thing you know it exists and you're like, 1331 01:19:40,140 --> 01:19:41,790 what the fuck just me. 1332 01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:47,400 I think the lightning Bitcoin community fits what me and Adam 1333 01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:52,320 will fit our ethos from the beginning because we, we were 1334 01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:54,990 always that way. We're like, think of an idea. Throw it out 1335 01:19:54,990 --> 01:19:59,250 there and just if it breaks fine if it works great. And what I 1336 01:19:59,250 --> 01:20:02,280 see that now is very much the spirit of the whole Bitcoin 1337 01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:05,760 community. Like what like I saw last night on telegram, 1338 01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:10,230 somebody, the guy at an boss said, Hey, we just put up a 1339 01:20:10,230 --> 01:20:13,710 leaderboard, where you can send us messages through your 1340 01:20:13,710 --> 01:20:16,800 lightning payments, and we'll post it on the leaderboard. And 1341 01:20:16,950 --> 01:20:20,850 whoever sends the most sad and bumps up bumps off the guy at 1342 01:20:20,850 --> 01:20:25,740 the top, no. Yes, liquids in. So and I told him I was like, Well, 1343 01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:28,500 what you should do here is you should take you should just make 1344 01:20:28,500 --> 01:20:31,980 a dummy podcast with one episode telling explaining people what, 1345 01:20:32,130 --> 01:20:35,280 how to use it and what's going on? And then have them boost 1346 01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:40,710 this. Yeah, like, he was like, Yeah, cool. Let's do that. I'll 1347 01:20:40,710 --> 01:20:44,850 do that right now. That's the kind of stuff that it's like, 1348 01:20:44,910 --> 01:20:46,770 you know, you love that. It's a little Hey, let's 1349 01:20:46,770 --> 01:20:49,650 do it and see what happens. But But you know, what we all forget 1350 01:20:49,650 --> 01:20:52,260 from time to time is like with all these little experiments 1351 01:20:52,260 --> 01:20:55,890 that we that come about, and then become real things like 1352 01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:59,430 this still routing payments that are happening, and people's 1353 01:20:59,430 --> 01:21:02,670 liquid instead of, because at the beginning, I was like, how 1354 01:21:02,670 --> 01:21:07,200 do we do this rebalancing, and how many days and I'm gonna have 1355 01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:10,440 to write scripts for this and, and then I realized, but if you 1356 01:21:10,440 --> 01:21:14,790 connect it to the right people, and they see you as also, you 1357 01:21:14,790 --> 01:21:17,790 know, the right person to be connected to, you will be able 1358 01:21:17,790 --> 01:21:23,010 to because of how things route, you'll be able to just overtime, 1359 01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:27,000 it will route properly. Yeah, if you're a good No, of course, if 1360 01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:29,760 you're able to keep your node in a state that you're supposed to. 1361 01:21:30,270 --> 01:21:34,290 But again, you get people that want to get rich, quick, don't 1362 01:21:34,290 --> 01:21:36,450 want to follow instructions, just leave things on default, or 1363 01:21:36,450 --> 01:21:39,270 whatever it is. And then that gems the network, but again, 1364 01:21:39,270 --> 01:21:42,240 this is an education thing. And this is why I like all these 1365 01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:45,450 groups that are floating around. There's so many on telegram, I 1366 01:21:45,450 --> 01:21:48,990 love telegram so many of these groups where it's people that 1367 01:21:48,990 --> 01:21:53,640 with information, just it's about sharing information for 1368 01:21:53,700 --> 01:21:57,090 people not to fuck up, let's be honest, is to make sure that 1369 01:21:57,150 --> 01:22:00,510 things work. Because that's the whole podcasting 2.0 and 1370 01:22:00,510 --> 01:22:05,250 introduction to lightning, and good coin, like right now like 1371 01:22:05,250 --> 01:22:07,770 with lightning, let's just use the lightning. Like I know, you 1372 01:22:07,770 --> 01:22:09,900 know, everything's still in beta, um, like, the entire 1373 01:22:09,900 --> 01:22:16,290 fucking world is in better mode for so long. Right? What is what 1374 01:22:16,290 --> 01:22:21,360 is what is a secure way that the banking system isn't in a secure 1375 01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:24,540 state. That's why we have all of this happening. So even that is 1376 01:22:24,540 --> 01:22:28,530 in beta mode, it's not done. So we're seeing that the lightning 1377 01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:32,070 network is in beta mode doesn't say anything. To me. What say 1378 01:22:32,070 --> 01:22:35,430 something to me is the fact that I can literally send in, I 1379 01:22:35,430 --> 01:22:39,090 created wallets for my niece's one, even 15 years old. they 1380 01:22:39,090 --> 01:22:41,940 each get a little percentage because of the split, dynamic. 1381 01:22:42,060 --> 01:22:47,610 All of these things. Again, free, free existing. All you got 1382 01:22:47,610 --> 01:22:50,880 to do is read how to implement that's it. That's beautiful. 1383 01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:53,310 It's crazy. I am on revolution 1384 01:22:53,310 --> 01:22:55,890 using that, quote, The whole world is in beta. Thank you very 1385 01:22:55,890 --> 01:23:01,350 much. You've given me a couple of good. Pick your ass over here 1386 01:23:01,350 --> 01:23:04,680 to San Antonio. We got to go drinkin for sure. I might not 1387 01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:10,050 leave any more booster grams. Dave. We got to finish up. 1388 01:23:10,650 --> 01:23:16,140 Oh, yeah, we got. Let's see. We got Stephen Bell gave us 22,193 1389 01:23:16,140 --> 01:23:22,980 sets. He says Happy birthday, Adam. Thank you were born. We're 1390 01:23:22,980 --> 01:23:26,550 all we all are. Let's see. We've got a This one's a this is a 1391 01:23:26,550 --> 01:23:31,920 dirty message from Peter 9000. SAS. And it's just a bunch of 1392 01:23:31,980 --> 01:23:34,950 it's a bunch of emoji that I can't describe to you. 1393 01:23:36,090 --> 01:23:37,320 that come through on my email. 1394 01:23:37,860 --> 01:23:40,560 I don't know. I hope I hope not. You would have been traumatized 1395 01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:47,880 by Chad Pharaoh gave us 1000 SATs. He says, I know I'm having 1396 01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:58,380 fun. Let's see who else we got. Rusty red shark isn't gave us 40 1397 01:23:58,380 --> 01:24:01,860 sets from fountain app. And he says this is all the SATs I had 1398 01:24:01,860 --> 01:24:03,780 on my app at the moment. All right. Thank you. 1399 01:24:03,780 --> 01:24:06,780 Well, that was the value you assigned to it. We'll take it 1400 01:24:07,260 --> 01:24:13,470 a drain the ball. The ball, he says okay, Martin Morrison. This 1401 01:24:13,500 --> 01:24:18,600 goes back to the to the last booster gram. He says he sent me 1402 01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:21,930 a message says I demand recognition for my donation with 1403 01:24:21,930 --> 01:24:29,310 the too long message. He says I sent 1% 11,111 satoshis in total 1404 01:24:29,430 --> 01:24:32,400 to everyone in the value blog. I think I wrote that I've now 1405 01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:36,300 assembled too much for so much furniture that IKEA is thinking 1406 01:24:36,300 --> 01:24:41,820 about opening up a branch and also look very much forward to 1407 01:24:41,820 --> 01:24:44,280 having a lot more time for podcasting. Again, I can't wait 1408 01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:47,280 to do more cutting edge work. Thank you, Martin. That's Martin 1409 01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:48,840 art been acknowledged. 1410 01:24:49,500 --> 01:24:53,910 Yeah, well Martin. Martin is the developer of pod friend and he's 1411 01:24:53,910 --> 01:24:54,690 in Denmark. 1412 01:24:55,290 --> 01:24:58,590 Oh yeah. You see like it and this is the this is the other 1413 01:24:58,590 --> 01:25:03,240 thing like the fact There are so many of the creators and and 1414 01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:07,950 collaborators are in every group chat that I'm in like the day by 1415 01:25:07,950 --> 01:25:11,970 day, you can just talk to them. The accessibility of people 1416 01:25:11,970 --> 01:25:14,910 within the space. Yeah, I mean, people will joke around every 1417 01:25:14,910 --> 01:25:17,970 now and then. But there's no, there's no pompous pricks, if 1418 01:25:17,970 --> 01:25:22,590 you're in your room for us, because everybody will humble 1419 01:25:22,590 --> 01:25:24,600 you very quickly. I mean, that's what I love about Bitcoin. 1420 01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:27,690 Nobody matters is what Bitcoin is what matters. And beyond 1421 01:25:27,690 --> 01:25:30,240 that, when people understood it, they were like, well, then let 1422 01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:34,110 me help you understand more of it. Right? Yeah. Right. Because 1423 01:25:34,140 --> 01:25:38,250 if the person next to me knows what I know, then I don't have 1424 01:25:38,250 --> 01:25:42,960 to worry. I don't have to be like, and this is, man, guys. I 1425 01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:45,090 don't even know how to explain it. But one question I did have 1426 01:25:45,090 --> 01:25:49,380 for you is with with all the work could only be called 1427 01:25:49,380 --> 01:25:54,780 fighting bullshit that floats around on Bitcoin as a topic 1428 01:25:55,260 --> 01:26:00,270 throughout America. How? How do you guys actually like? I mean, 1429 01:26:00,300 --> 01:26:02,790 there must be friends of yours that also just like I mean, come 1430 01:26:02,790 --> 01:26:05,460 on, you know, you read this, like, how do you guys balance it 1431 01:26:05,490 --> 01:26:10,620 out? Being also so within the innovative space of pushing it 1432 01:26:10,620 --> 01:26:11,070 forward. 1433 01:26:13,170 --> 01:26:15,810 You know, some of this came up last night and it always comes 1434 01:26:15,810 --> 01:26:19,560 up when you have something when you talk about Bitcoin, there's 1435 01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:25,440 always going to be people that don't did just talk it down. And 1436 01:26:25,440 --> 01:26:27,990 some of it sometimes it's misunderstanding and sometimes 1437 01:26:28,020 --> 01:26:33,600 they really do believe it's not they, they're opposed to it. So 1438 01:26:33,660 --> 01:26:37,680 but, you know, I think what we are at least what I've tried to 1439 01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:43,410 do is give people realistic information and realistic 1440 01:26:43,410 --> 01:26:48,600 advice. Like instead of saying instead of going in full bore 1441 01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:53,400 and saying, you know, Bitcoin full Bitcoin maximalism right 1442 01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:59,130 off the bat, you know, you you can Bitcoin fixes poverty. Yeah, 1443 01:26:59,130 --> 01:27:02,490 instead of saying stuff like that. You say, like, at least I 1444 01:27:02,490 --> 01:27:06,030 describe it by saying, Well, you know, Bitcoin is the only thing 1445 01:27:06,030 --> 01:27:10,230 that seems like, it seems like money is the only thing that 1446 01:27:10,230 --> 01:27:15,780 behaves like a like a money. And in that's why I think it's going 1447 01:27:15,780 --> 01:27:19,350 to be ultimately successful. And so when you I think when you 1448 01:27:19,350 --> 01:27:22,110 express things like that, at least from what I've seen, it's 1449 01:27:22,110 --> 01:27:25,980 easier to start that way. Yeah. And it makes people not think 1450 01:27:25,980 --> 01:27:26,880 that you're a wacko. 1451 01:27:28,620 --> 01:27:31,050 That ship has long left my harbor brother. 1452 01:27:33,300 --> 01:27:41,280 That could be been VMAs BMA si send us 5000 SATs. It says go 1453 01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:49,650 podcast. Thank you very much. linkin park rules. Send us 100 1454 01:27:49,650 --> 01:27:51,720 SATs, testing out the fountain app. 1455 01:27:51,780 --> 01:27:53,040 All right. Work first. 1456 01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:55,980 First booster gram as a monthly supporter. It's amazing to see 1457 01:27:55,980 --> 01:27:58,800 how far this has come since episode one congrats guys. 1458 01:27:59,490 --> 01:28:05,970 Boost. Oscar marry, and the developer of fountain USD 1459 01:28:05,970 --> 01:28:11,610 fountain is 7777 says nice nice. You really have invented 1460 01:28:11,610 --> 01:28:16,500 everything. It's a sack of sevens everybody. Yeah, you guys 1461 01:28:16,620 --> 01:28:23,670 guys are magicians. Mike. Mike Newman's in his 1003 SAS and he 1462 01:28:23,670 --> 01:28:30,120 says ISO booze. You got it. Ask him marry. 1463 01:28:32,460 --> 01:28:38,400 You crack me up, man. Like you guys are magicians. money out of 1464 01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:39,270 out of air. 1465 01:28:41,250 --> 01:28:44,490 Magical internet money. Yeah. That I can withdraw. 1466 01:28:45,510 --> 01:28:48,660 Yeah, that's right. You can get some free up fun coupons. 1467 01:28:49,380 --> 01:28:52,890 I was gonna Where's your Marisa 1000 SATs and he just says 1468 01:28:52,950 --> 01:28:55,830 fountain with some confetti. That's right, 1469 01:28:55,830 --> 01:28:59,160 the fountain app in the App Store everybody full on and 1470 01:29:00,149 --> 01:29:02,579 I just wanted to let you guys know, I think just as you were 1471 01:29:02,579 --> 01:29:05,309 going through the readings, I think I understand why the 1472 01:29:05,309 --> 01:29:09,749 adoption in Africa is so much more accelerated than anywhere 1473 01:29:09,749 --> 01:29:13,229 else in the world, is because Africans are used to using 1474 01:29:13,229 --> 01:29:19,049 Western Union and moneygram. Haha. You see, those fees are 1475 01:29:19,049 --> 01:29:23,459 fucking ridiculous. Guys, I've sent money with this. This is 1476 01:29:23,459 --> 01:29:27,239 stupid, like, compared to like the drill bit of cash that you 1477 01:29:27,239 --> 01:29:30,629 spend in routing or whatever fees you want to call fees, that 1478 01:29:30,629 --> 01:29:33,689 other shit where you have to go withdraw more money to come and 1479 01:29:33,689 --> 01:29:36,659 send the money that you just withdrew? Because you would like 1480 01:29:36,659 --> 01:29:41,399 5000 short, that's ridiculous. But when I can send everything 1481 01:29:41,399 --> 01:29:46,079 for a couple hundreds or not even, you understand So for most 1482 01:29:46,079 --> 01:29:49,019 evidences that way we will be who's lying and when they find 1483 01:29:49,019 --> 01:29:51,719 out nobody's laying I think that's when it clicks to be 1484 01:29:51,719 --> 01:29:53,879 like, Whoa, let's do this before they block it. 1485 01:29:55,830 --> 01:29:57,870 That's very interesting, because that's that makes most and 1486 01:29:57,870 --> 01:30:01,980 that's really my first usage of Bitcoin. Full on, was because 1487 01:30:02,610 --> 01:30:07,350 during the lockdowns, my daughter lost all income. And so 1488 01:30:07,350 --> 01:30:11,040 I need to send her money. And I just looked at the banking fees 1489 01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:14,370 and like it takes three days and then has to get approved on her 1490 01:30:14,370 --> 01:30:17,580 side. And five days later. Meanwhile, the kids like 1491 01:30:17,580 --> 01:30:20,130 scraping the bottom of the barrel. And I said, Well, what 1492 01:30:20,130 --> 01:30:24,090 can we do here? And there's this bit my money is a operation in 1493 01:30:24,090 --> 01:30:28,410 Europe. And they're tied into the European financial network. 1494 01:30:28,620 --> 01:30:31,230 And so you just get a Bitcoin address, I send it to her boom, 1495 01:30:31,230 --> 01:30:34,170 it goes right to her bank, you know, 10 minutes start to 1496 01:30:34,170 --> 01:30:37,830 finish, you know, and when I saw that, I'm like, Yeah, well, now 1497 01:30:37,830 --> 01:30:43,050 I understand part of the remittance problem. Yeah, 1498 01:30:43,050 --> 01:30:45,990 exactly. In a Western way. I mean, you know, Western whiteboy 1499 01:30:45,990 --> 01:30:47,130 problems, but yeah, 1500 01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:52,560 absolutely. But it's it, you see it as that, but it's a real day 1501 01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:56,910 to day problem for most people, yes. Literally live off of just 1502 01:30:56,910 --> 01:31:00,330 remittance from people sending their money from outside because 1503 01:31:00,330 --> 01:31:03,570 they can't get enough. So with myself, I mean, it was it was a 1504 01:31:03,570 --> 01:31:06,570 very different situation. My brother was in Dubai, and I had 1505 01:31:06,570 --> 01:31:09,780 to send him money, but with the banks, they were like, okay, 1506 01:31:09,780 --> 01:31:12,390 sir, you know, the fees are going to be I'm like, yo, let me 1507 01:31:12,390 --> 01:31:15,180 just let me withdraw this money. And then I'm gonna go pay it 1508 01:31:15,210 --> 01:31:19,560 over to God Bitcoin Namibia. Yeah, download this app, and I'm 1509 01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:23,220 gonna fuckin send you this final trader there and sell it to him. 1510 01:31:23,370 --> 01:31:27,180 And all of this is going to be done in one day. Yeah. And 1511 01:31:27,180 --> 01:31:32,130 that's what happened. We were like, okay, we're not using 1512 01:31:32,130 --> 01:31:35,580 Western Union again, if this is how it's gonna be, because the 1513 01:31:35,580 --> 01:31:39,270 amount of fees we're paying is another payment for anything 1514 01:31:39,270 --> 01:31:43,080 else. So that's when I also started looking into it. Why is 1515 01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:47,640 this? How can it be? Because in my mind, I mean, I have an MBA, 1516 01:31:47,820 --> 01:31:50,730 and I've never heard a shit like this. There are no feet almost 1517 01:31:50,730 --> 01:31:54,120 no feelings. Yes. Crazy. Yeah. But once you look at it, you're 1518 01:31:54,120 --> 01:31:57,150 like, Oh, they didn't want to do with that. Do you have? 1519 01:31:57,479 --> 01:31:59,519 Can you use PayPal in Namibia? 1520 01:32:00,149 --> 01:32:03,719 Oh, that's okay. So with PayPal, I'm gonna blow you guys's mind 1521 01:32:03,719 --> 01:32:06,539 just quick, fast. So PayPal, you can send me money via PayPal, I 1522 01:32:06,539 --> 01:32:07,289 can withdraw it. 1523 01:32:09,630 --> 01:32:10,560 What good is that? 1524 01:32:10,979 --> 01:32:14,729 So yeah, you can use it. But there's a third party app that 1525 01:32:14,729 --> 01:32:20,819 PayPal bought. Which I can then also give them my details. To 1526 01:32:20,819 --> 01:32:25,139 then through PayPal, pay them also another fee, and then get 1527 01:32:25,139 --> 01:32:25,829 some of my money 1528 01:32:25,860 --> 01:32:26,910 out brother. 1529 01:32:28,050 --> 01:32:30,660 I found this out because it's like another poet that I know. 1530 01:32:30,660 --> 01:32:33,330 And she's also an English teacher. And she's also a 1531 01:32:34,290 --> 01:32:37,890 psychologist. And she was doing online work. But she was like, 1532 01:32:37,890 --> 01:32:40,320 how can I get paid? And I was like, but when she's like, no, 1533 01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:42,420 but you know, they went up. I'm like, Listen, if you want to 1534 01:32:42,450 --> 01:32:47,460 just go past all of the trouble, just get them to send you to the 1535 01:32:47,460 --> 01:32:51,450 moon wallet, download moon and send you this money real quick. 1536 01:32:51,450 --> 01:32:53,730 And then I'll tell you how you can change it back into Namibian 1537 01:32:53,730 --> 01:32:56,820 dollars but if you don't want to go through all this other crap 1538 01:32:56,820 --> 01:33:00,510 and get charged how many other times they just get charged once 1539 01:33:00,510 --> 01:33:03,360 then it's a low fee. And the weekend is even lower because 1540 01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:06,240 the mempool empty. Yeah, but you get to that 1541 01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:11,250 knowledge. Yeah, so this culture of even sending a donation or 1542 01:33:11,250 --> 01:33:13,950 payment with a message doesn't really exist because the 1543 01:33:13,950 --> 01:33:17,070 infrastructure infrastructure is too expensive. Yeah, 1544 01:33:18,149 --> 01:33:26,969 Nicola, I just sent you 2112 how many how many of those that what 1545 01:33:26,969 --> 01:33:31,499 came through what was the fee? I sent you? 2112 What did you 1546 01:33:31,499 --> 01:33:35,339 actually go Okay, okay, we Okay, I think I got let me get into 1547 01:33:35,339 --> 01:33:40,229 that. I got 2091 2091 1548 01:33:40,289 --> 01:33:44,669 I don't want to take it took like 4% No, no less. 1549 01:33:45,149 --> 01:33:46,409 Yeah, no, that's that's 1550 01:33:48,180 --> 01:33:51,480 not even what am I talking about? even worth working out 1551 01:33:51,480 --> 01:33:52,770 now. It's not listening. 1552 01:33:55,979 --> 01:33:56,609 Guys like you know 1553 01:33:56,640 --> 01:33:59,490 wait Nikolai. Wait until we blow your mind because coming up 1554 01:33:59,490 --> 01:34:05,160 next, we're going to have per episode value block. So when 1555 01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:11,460 that happens, then I'll go back and I'll put your your node into 1556 01:34:11,490 --> 01:34:15,510 the split of that episode. And we're you know, so whatever, 1557 01:34:15,510 --> 01:34:18,510 we'll give you a third of what we have what we have after 1558 01:34:18,570 --> 01:34:21,660 everyone else is split over you guys. And so in perpetuity 1559 01:34:21,660 --> 01:34:24,960 anyone who listens to your episode you're going to get a 1560 01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:27,180 Bitcoin stream to you guys. 1561 01:34:28,140 --> 01:34:33,390 What does that tell you? magicians. Fucking magician. You 1562 01:34:33,390 --> 01:34:38,220 guys should call yourself Gandalf. Gandalf the white I'm 1563 01:34:38,220 --> 01:34:42,600 getting off the gray this guy's like I've been waiting for 1564 01:34:42,600 --> 01:34:45,210 something like this because this is also looking at as another 1565 01:34:45,210 --> 01:34:48,420 way of onboarding right? Yeah, me Oh, yeah. Like my like the 1566 01:34:48,420 --> 01:34:51,060 rest of my mind that the people that are interviewing or have on 1567 01:34:51,060 --> 01:34:53,910 my podcast like Hey, guys, well, you don't know about Bitcoin but 1568 01:34:53,910 --> 01:34:57,090 how about I split some with you? What do you mean? what I get for 1569 01:34:57,090 --> 01:35:01,110 this interview forever. You can get some huh? Yeah, why the fuck 1570 01:35:01,110 --> 01:35:06,330 would I say no to that? Nobody's gonna say no to that. Because in 1571 01:35:06,330 --> 01:35:09,450 their mind, you just said free money for something they already 1572 01:35:09,450 --> 01:35:13,440 did. Yeah. It's like why you prepay people, right I believe 1573 01:35:13,440 --> 01:35:16,110 if somebody's doing like a jewelry piece for you that of 1574 01:35:16,110 --> 01:35:19,710 course that you trust, but like, I believe pay the person up 1575 01:35:19,710 --> 01:35:22,500 front, so that they don't have any problem doing the job. Like 1576 01:35:22,500 --> 01:35:25,470 it's not a him thinking if he just paid me that I wouldn't 1577 01:35:25,470 --> 01:35:28,050 have had to worry about my water bill and, and and finish this. 1578 01:35:28,440 --> 01:35:31,560 Like, most of the time, I like to pay people upfront that I 1579 01:35:31,560 --> 01:35:34,860 trust with the jobs that I do, of course, like, not just giving 1580 01:35:34,890 --> 01:35:38,670 everybody money up front, I'm not crazy. But I've realized 1581 01:35:38,670 --> 01:35:40,920 that when you trust people in that way, they trust you back. 1582 01:35:41,610 --> 01:35:44,340 And the quality of the relationship then shows in the 1583 01:35:44,340 --> 01:35:45,900 artwork or whatever I 1584 01:35:45,929 --> 01:35:47,759 was totally agree, totally agree. 1585 01:35:49,080 --> 01:35:52,860 And that is value for value. This is why people understand it 1586 01:35:52,890 --> 01:35:58,650 at its core, because that's how life should be. And if I'm 1587 01:35:58,650 --> 01:36:02,400 valuable in your life, do not want to give some value to me. 1588 01:36:02,430 --> 01:36:06,120 So if I'm giving you knowledge with I'm entertaining you Why 1589 01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:08,460 wouldn't you want to give me the value that you want to give me 1590 01:36:08,460 --> 01:36:11,310 without somebody else taking a piece that none of us know 1591 01:36:11,310 --> 01:36:13,410 about? Because most of the times that somebody's taking a piece 1592 01:36:13,410 --> 01:36:16,050 he said we don't know what they're taking, like if you've 1593 01:36:16,050 --> 01:36:18,720 ever spoken to somebody in China, right? Most of them don't 1594 01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:21,570 know what what they pay in tax. Like today you could get let's 1595 01:36:21,570 --> 01:36:25,380 say 20,000 as your as your pay the next day or the next month 1596 01:36:25,380 --> 01:36:28,080 you only get 15,000 the rest was tax you don't know what to 1597 01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:31,680 happen in the difference. But that's what happened to tax. Now 1598 01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:36,090 we're saying you can know every aspect of that tax you know 1599 01:36:36,090 --> 01:36:40,200 where it's going. He trace it and you can say no, yeah, 1600 01:36:41,220 --> 01:36:43,860 you can say no. You can say I don't want to do 1601 01:36:43,860 --> 01:36:45,660 that when I'm gonna choose another route. It's gonna be 1602 01:36:45,660 --> 01:36:48,630 cheaper this way. I get I'm gonna get mobile money if I go 1603 01:36:48,870 --> 01:36:49,710 by this note. 1604 01:36:50,370 --> 01:36:54,990 Before we get some more we get Serbs creaser paid sir paid Pete 1605 01:36:55,020 --> 01:37:00,300 gave us sir Pete gave us 1000 SATs and he says go bike 1606 01:37:00,300 --> 01:37:02,730 podcasting. Is that a Dutch thing? 1607 01:37:02,790 --> 01:37:05,820 I must be yes. Yes. He's Dutch. So definitely 1608 01:37:06,180 --> 01:37:09,150 go bike podcasting. Funny thing. The one problem in the 1609 01:37:09,150 --> 01:37:12,270 Netherlands is acceptable, trustworthy and friendly wallet 1610 01:37:12,270 --> 01:37:15,240 that plays nice with the local Venmo variant. I love the new 1611 01:37:15,240 --> 01:37:17,610 apps. Cheers, sir. payplan new podcast 1612 01:37:17,610 --> 01:37:19,110 app calm. Thank you for paying. Yeah. 1613 01:37:20,100 --> 01:37:26,940 Thanks, guys. Oh, Tim k from LNP gave us 100 SATs. He says this 1614 01:37:26,940 --> 01:37:36,480 is test from the plebe phi. See, Nick gave us 500 SATs. And he 1615 01:37:36,480 --> 01:37:39,720 just said some some celebratory emojis. Very nice. 1616 01:37:39,750 --> 01:37:40,230 Thank you. 1617 01:37:40,649 --> 01:37:44,819 I think Nick, I think he's Oscar Mary's partner in crime. Oh, 1618 01:37:45,629 --> 01:37:52,379 fountain. Yeah, I think so. David mitas gave us 10,000 SATs 1619 01:37:52,379 --> 01:37:55,559 through fountain nap. Thank you, David. Thank you for your kind 1620 01:37:55,559 --> 01:37:58,889 words about our little shift. That is a good show. 1621 01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:01,410 Thank you for supporting the whole shebang. 1622 01:38:02,280 --> 01:38:07,830 Aaron is selinux gave us 1234 cents. He says if you could 1623 01:38:07,830 --> 01:38:11,040 throw anyone under a bus alive or dead, who would it be? 1624 01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:17,730 To throw anyone under the bus? 1625 01:38:17,820 --> 01:38:19,050 I don't want to do that either. 1626 01:38:19,380 --> 01:38:22,230 That's that's a section that's actually under on their podcast 1627 01:38:22,230 --> 01:38:27,660 that they do. throw you under the bus section. I got to think 1628 01:38:27,660 --> 01:38:29,190 about that one that's tough for me. 1629 01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:35,100 aerostatic I gave us 1000 SATs. And he just says booster grants. 1630 01:38:35,160 --> 01:38:39,840 All right. And then he gave us another 1000 sets and he says 1631 01:38:39,870 --> 01:38:43,980 set calm which I thought was brilliant. Calm Yeah, 1632 01:38:43,980 --> 01:38:46,440 it's a total SATCOM. That is a good one. 1633 01:38:46,770 --> 01:38:51,600 Yeah, put that one in the book down and see somebody who is 1634 01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:56,910 clearly anonymous because their name his name says gave us 9001 1635 01:38:56,910 --> 01:39:03,600 SAS. And it's Zig zig zag Zig zakka boost boost boost. 1636 01:39:05,130 --> 01:39:06,060 Wow. 1637 01:39:06,180 --> 01:39:09,300 Do you fch T is that German for boost? 1638 01:39:09,330 --> 01:39:10,260 Say it again. 1639 01:39:10,830 --> 01:39:13,110 Boost bu s ch t 1640 01:39:13,770 --> 01:39:19,500 not know. These are spells man spells. Yeah, somebody Yeah. Did 1641 01:39:19,500 --> 01:39:22,230 you turn into a frog? Do you turn to frog when you said that? 1642 01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:28,830 my monthly donors to finish that off is polar skinning gave us 1643 01:39:29,010 --> 01:39:35,160 $11.14 Charles current $5 Michael Goggin. $5 James 1644 01:39:35,160 --> 01:39:40,680 Sullivan $10 Christopher reamer $10 Jordan dunville $10 Duke 1645 01:39:40,680 --> 01:39:48,930 coats $6.66 Michael kimmerer $5.33 Jeff Miller $20 Dred Scott 1646 01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:56,100 $15 Chandra Thank you. Leslie Martin $2 Gary Keller. $4.11 1647 01:39:56,130 --> 01:40:02,850 Pedro Goncalves $5 Aaron Renaud $5 droid works LLC gave us $20 1648 01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:06,690 Scott Jalbert $12 in Mark Graham $1 1649 01:40:07,199 --> 01:40:11,369 Holy moly, great list. Thank you all so much for that's a great 1650 01:40:11,369 --> 01:40:14,249 list. Yeah, well, yeah, it keeps everything Running Man keeps all 1651 01:40:14,249 --> 01:40:19,079 the servers running keeps the node funded. And by the way, 1652 01:40:19,079 --> 01:40:23,879 I'm, I keep checking, but I you know, I'm trying to do zero base 1653 01:40:23,879 --> 01:40:26,789 fee on the node for everybody. So if you see something 1654 01:40:26,789 --> 01:40:28,799 different pop up or whatever, let me know. 1655 01:40:30,210 --> 01:40:34,260 Do you have a channel open to us, Nicola? I'm about to look 1656 01:40:34,260 --> 01:40:35,880 for right now. Yeah, 1657 01:40:36,750 --> 01:40:41,010 we'll open up a nice channel to you. And you we should because 1658 01:40:41,010 --> 01:40:47,040 then we because we have a five, 5 million sat channel with LMP 1659 01:40:47,070 --> 01:40:51,990 so that'll help and LNP has a big channel to breeze so that 1660 01:40:52,020 --> 01:40:55,410 could help on some of the fees. You see why I love 1661 01:40:55,410 --> 01:40:59,250 this entire freaking thing? Yeah, is that amazing guys? Like 1662 01:40:59,250 --> 01:41:01,380 it's like, oh, no, don't worry. Like I'll hook you up. I'm 1663 01:41:01,380 --> 01:41:04,980 already there. Just Just let me give me your give me a note. And 1664 01:41:04,980 --> 01:41:08,730 yeah, that's it. Yeah, it's magic. But one thing I do want 1665 01:41:08,730 --> 01:41:10,890 to ask you guys is when are you going to create our 1666 01:41:10,890 --> 01:41:14,760 decentralized internet? And when I say internet I mean by like, 1667 01:41:15,330 --> 01:41:16,860 internet service provider. 1668 01:41:18,660 --> 01:41:25,710 Well decentralized Oh, you can do it. I know you can. Do you 1669 01:41:25,710 --> 01:41:29,010 guys here listen till tomorrow at least you know we'll come 1670 01:41:29,010 --> 01:41:30,030 back with a 1671 01:41:30,030 --> 01:41:33,480 demo I'll give you guys at least two years with all the other 1672 01:41:33,480 --> 01:41:36,240 crazy cat stuff but like seriously if you think about it 1673 01:41:36,510 --> 01:41:39,690 this is this is this is what we need Next we need a way for them 1674 01:41:39,690 --> 01:41:44,010 not to be able to shut down the internet because the current 1675 01:41:44,010 --> 01:41:46,830 internet if they decide no we don't want you to use it they 1676 01:41:46,830 --> 01:41:50,400 could shut it down and then we're all fucked. Yeah, but 1677 01:41:50,490 --> 01:41:56,580 globally but if if we can create a way that is this just ridic I 1678 01:41:56,580 --> 01:41:58,980 know that I know you guys got it Don't worry I believe in you 1679 01:41:58,980 --> 01:42:01,980 guys just know that I believe in you. And you got this 1680 01:42:03,120 --> 01:42:06,420 to take a little longer at podcasting 2.0 but we do we do 1681 01:42:06,420 --> 01:42:10,740 guarantee success eventually we'll get literally created this 1682 01:42:11,490 --> 01:42:15,150 it's only gonna take 500 billion sets and we can and will be in 1683 01:42:15,150 --> 01:42:18,930 good shape. Nicola will boost the grams. That's right. 1684 01:42:19,710 --> 01:42:23,580 Nicole, I want to thank you so much man for for joining us 1685 01:42:23,580 --> 01:42:26,880 today. Thank you for for preaching everything that you're 1686 01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:33,270 doing for for podcasting for Bitcoin and for Namibia for for 1687 01:42:33,270 --> 01:42:37,950 everybody. where's the best place to find you and, and the 1688 01:42:37,950 --> 01:42:39,240 from the jump podcast? 1689 01:42:40,050 --> 01:42:42,390 Well, firstly, thanks for having me, guys. I mean, this is this 1690 01:42:42,390 --> 01:42:45,480 is truly an honor to speak with you guys in such a candid 1691 01:42:45,480 --> 01:42:50,370 manner. I mean, who was really fun. You can find me as open, 1692 01:42:50,370 --> 01:42:55,530 that's okay. I N underscore one seven. So that's open underscore 1693 01:42:55,530 --> 01:42:58,920 17. everywhere, everywhere you search for me that's that's what 1694 01:42:58,920 --> 01:43:03,330 I'm as. If you want to get my original government name, you 1695 01:43:03,330 --> 01:43:06,120 can find that through just searching for Oakland underscore 1696 01:43:06,120 --> 01:43:12,420 17 as well. Brees is where I look, I normally push everybody 1697 01:43:12,420 --> 01:43:17,040 to but I also if you go on my link tree is also as in Oakland 1698 01:43:17,040 --> 01:43:22,080 underscore 17 or from the jump then you will find me under the 1699 01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:27,630 podcast index as well. And red circle. So what I've done is I'm 1700 01:43:27,630 --> 01:43:30,360 literally trying to scale back from people finding me 1701 01:43:30,360 --> 01:43:33,930 everywhere else. Slowly but surely, you will still find my 1702 01:43:33,930 --> 01:43:38,430 podcast on Dan Lou Africa, which is the the Namibian streaming 1703 01:43:38,430 --> 01:43:41,820 service to the world. And hopefully they will also start 1704 01:43:42,270 --> 01:43:45,030 after some conversations incorporating the lightning 1705 01:43:45,030 --> 01:43:47,850 network because that is the future if if you don't if you 1706 01:43:47,850 --> 01:43:49,680 don't what do they say if you don't adapt today? 1707 01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:51,660 That's right. That's right. 1708 01:43:52,650 --> 01:43:59,970 And many things have died. That is true. So guys, Oh, this one 1709 01:43:59,970 --> 01:44:02,580 little thing is very weird to throw in at the end. But um, so 1710 01:44:02,580 --> 01:44:04,440 you know, in Namibia, we actually get taxed for our 1711 01:44:04,439 --> 01:44:07,949 ATM, right? Oh, for our credit. So yeah, in it like 15% is 1712 01:44:07,949 --> 01:44:09,629 pretty high. Yeah. So 1713 01:44:09,630 --> 01:44:14,220 you you pay value at a tax on your area, as well. This is the 1714 01:44:14,220 --> 01:44:16,380 way that they tax people that don't pay tax. 1715 01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:19,260 Basically, yeah. Everybody's talking about that in one of 1716 01:44:19,260 --> 01:44:21,420 your, in one of your episodes, you were saying that if you 1717 01:44:21,420 --> 01:44:25,650 bought like $10 worth of data, which you really got was like 1718 01:44:25,710 --> 01:44:26,670 $8.50, 1719 01:44:26,700 --> 01:44:30,000 not even the data. So just if you buy it just the airtime to 1720 01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:32,550 then transferring to data. So then again, you get another, 1721 01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:37,500 it's another it's another thing, but at the same time, our fees 1722 01:44:37,500 --> 01:44:39,990 are a lot less than other people. But again, if you just 1723 01:44:39,990 --> 01:44:43,650 think about the concept of how do we tax the untestable that we 1724 01:44:43,650 --> 01:44:47,400 know don't have bank accounts. Let's tax the good you know, I'm 1725 01:44:47,400 --> 01:44:51,300 saying we need a new internet. We need new, new everything I 1726 01:44:51,300 --> 01:44:51,720 have. 1727 01:44:51,750 --> 01:44:54,450 So then I have kind of one final question because whenever 1728 01:44:55,710 --> 01:44:58,680 throughout this conversation, probably a lot of conversations 1729 01:44:58,680 --> 01:45:01,950 that happen in the western Part of the world you know all of it 1730 01:45:01,950 --> 01:45:04,080 was willing to be beaten and maybe a sucks for this and that 1731 01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:06,450 and that and that. Tell me something that's really great 1732 01:45:06,450 --> 01:45:09,990 about Namibia and what is really fantastic so so this is the 1733 01:45:09,990 --> 01:45:13,650 thing all those things I've mentioned are so miniscule in 1734 01:45:13,650 --> 01:45:16,980 how beautiful my country is that's that's just this is why 1735 01:45:16,980 --> 01:45:20,040 people like Angelina Jolie they bought houses here right and you 1736 01:45:20,040 --> 01:45:21,000 know, loved your 1737 01:45:22,260 --> 01:45:25,470 children. I thought she was in the house there to buy kids. 1738 01:45:28,260 --> 01:45:32,490 Hey, that's another story, I don't know. But what I will say 1739 01:45:32,490 --> 01:45:36,630 is that landscapes a great people are always friendly. And 1740 01:45:36,720 --> 01:45:40,740 for all the things that are wrong, there's a lot of beauty 1741 01:45:40,740 --> 01:45:44,490 in being Namibian, and being here, I mean, pieces one thing 1742 01:45:44,490 --> 01:45:49,410 that it's great, but also the fact that the youth are becoming 1743 01:45:49,410 --> 01:45:54,450 more vocal in what they do and don't want and forcing those 1744 01:45:54,450 --> 01:45:57,210 that are not youth to have to look at it and have to 1745 01:45:57,210 --> 01:46:00,900 understand it and things like you know, Bitcoin and 1746 01:46:01,080 --> 01:46:04,500 podcasting. 2.0 is exactly the type of technologies that 1747 01:46:04,500 --> 01:46:06,930 disrupt and say, Look, if you don't see that this is what's 1748 01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:11,790 already happening. And you're back in where it was. Then we 1749 01:46:11,790 --> 01:46:15,510 need you to leave or make a plan and step up clear. And I think 1750 01:46:15,570 --> 01:46:19,170 things like this are just globally revolutionary. So with 1751 01:46:19,170 --> 01:46:23,400 Namibia, I will say come down. Oh, don't let anybody fool you. 1752 01:46:23,580 --> 01:46:26,040 Don't let anybody fool you. Firstly, it's going to be dirt 1753 01:46:26,040 --> 01:46:30,120 cheap for you guys with US dollars. I'm working on people 1754 01:46:30,120 --> 01:46:34,170 accepting Bitcoin so you don't have to work in Fiat and you 1755 01:46:34,170 --> 01:46:38,460 will never ever ever see a sunset like a Namibian one 1756 01:46:39,120 --> 01:46:41,190 guarantee. I'll even bet you some 1757 01:46:41,189 --> 01:46:44,669 sets on that. Wow. Okay, well, Texas likes to compete on our 1758 01:46:44,669 --> 01:46:47,399 sunset so you good sir. You 1759 01:46:47,400 --> 01:46:50,520 cannot sit in the desert and look into the ocean like I can. 1760 01:46:51,210 --> 01:46:54,000 Literally one road separates it one road right. 1761 01:46:55,470 --> 01:46:58,470 And there's no there's no COVID because COVID chose not to hit 1762 01:46:58,470 --> 01:46:58,560 oh 1763 01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:03,870 no we do. We have we have COVID algorithm was going down to i 1764 01:47:03,870 --> 01:47:06,480 was i was there on the decrease heavily. 1765 01:47:06,630 --> 01:47:07,260 Good. 1766 01:47:08,009 --> 01:47:11,489 Very good. Guys, it was really an honor to speak to you guys. 1767 01:47:11,489 --> 01:47:14,969 You guys are really awesome. I must say I must say I was a bit 1768 01:47:14,999 --> 01:47:17,429 you know, anxious at the beginning. I was like, you know, 1769 01:47:17,429 --> 01:47:22,859 these guys created this thing is crazy, man. What am I gonna see? 1770 01:47:24,270 --> 01:47:26,220 Just be yourself, man. Everything's great. 1771 01:47:26,250 --> 01:47:28,320 Archie is great talking to you. Great talk. 1772 01:47:28,350 --> 01:47:30,930 God. Same same guys. I'll send you that email. I really need 1773 01:47:30,930 --> 01:47:33,330 that script. I want to see how all this works moving forward. 1774 01:47:33,330 --> 01:47:35,880 It's lovely. You bet. Dave Have a good one. 1775 01:47:37,140 --> 01:47:39,180 Dave Yep, everything good. 1776 01:47:39,210 --> 01:47:43,200 Anything else we need? I'm good, man. I think I think that was a 1777 01:47:43,200 --> 01:47:45,270 fun talk. Man. That was awesome. Definitely. 1778 01:47:45,300 --> 01:47:48,480 Okay, everybody that did for podcasting. 2.0 We will be back 1779 01:47:48,480 --> 01:47:51,480 on a regular schedule tomorrow with the first episode of a 1780 01:47:51,480 --> 01:47:54,840 brand new year podcasting. 2.0 See you then. 1781 01:48:10,350 --> 01:48:14,910 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 visit podcast 1782 01:48:14,910 --> 01:48:19,680 index.com for more information, podcast.