1 00:00:00,630 --> 00:00:05,730 podcasting 2.0 for August 20 2021, Episode 51 preserve 2 00:00:05,730 --> 00:00:13,050 protect and extend. That's right Batman. Hello everybody time 3 00:00:13,050 --> 00:00:16,410 once again for your weekly board meeting of podcasting. 2.0. 4 00:00:16,770 --> 00:00:20,280 everything happening in podcasts index.org podcast index dot 5 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,850 social. I'm Adam curry in the heart of Hill Country, Texas. In 6 00:00:23,850 --> 00:00:27,780 Alabama. He's a foenum in the art of first in first out my 7 00:00:27,780 --> 00:00:32,010 friend on the other end, ladies and gentlemen, Dave Jones. 8 00:00:33,420 --> 00:00:39,030 It's not listed being weak. It's booster gram month. Yeah, it's 9 00:00:39,030 --> 00:00:42,750 off the chain. Man. There was a stolen booster grams everywhere. 10 00:00:42,780 --> 00:00:46,350 We had some kind of breakthrough man. Like, all of a sudden, 11 00:00:47,100 --> 00:00:55,500 podcasting got super fun. Yeah, did. Like, wow, it works. One 12 00:00:55,500 --> 00:00:59,850 little loop. If you're brand new to the board meeting, now we're 13 00:00:59,850 --> 00:01:03,150 talking about the booster grams, which now allow you to send a 14 00:01:03,150 --> 00:01:07,500 payment with a message to the podcaster of your choosing while 15 00:01:07,500 --> 00:01:11,730 listening. Or if you want to the entire team. or to any of the 16 00:01:11,730 --> 00:01:14,790 individuals. You could even say hey, great app and boost the app 17 00:01:14,790 --> 00:01:19,050 developer. And it's and they for me, they come in on email, you 18 00:01:19,050 --> 00:01:23,160 set that up. I love I love that. The first thing I look at in the 19 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:29,400 morning. Look at it. Yeah, sure. The booster grams is fantastic. 20 00:01:31,140 --> 00:01:34,260 Yeah, I'm wondering how people are going to be like, what 21 00:01:34,260 --> 00:01:38,520 people are doing right now for their own node. Like? And I'm 22 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,590 wondering how people are getting those booster grams off their 23 00:01:40,590 --> 00:01:42,750 node? Because we I mean, there's a couple of scripts. I've got 24 00:01:42,750 --> 00:01:46,890 one out there and john cigi written Python script that will 25 00:01:46,890 --> 00:01:47,580 pull stuff. 26 00:01:47,610 --> 00:01:50,310 Oh, I gotta put that in the show notes. send that to me. And I'll 27 00:01:50,310 --> 00:01:52,050 put it in the show. Is that on the GitHub? 28 00:01:52,860 --> 00:01:58,860 Yeah, it's called the extract to V is the name of the repo. So 29 00:01:59,820 --> 00:02:02,820 but I don't know the name is using it. So like, like Dave 30 00:02:02,820 --> 00:02:05,520 Jackson, for instance. I'm not I don't think he can even get his 31 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:06,540 booster grams out of there. 32 00:02:06,570 --> 00:02:08,520 Now he does have his he has his own node, right? 33 00:02:08,820 --> 00:02:09,870 Yeah, he's got a voltage node. 34 00:02:11,370 --> 00:02:16,140 And we have to stop right here. And just say, holy crap, Dave 35 00:02:16,140 --> 00:02:20,250 Jackson. History is rhyming history is rhyming, like hip 36 00:02:20,250 --> 00:02:20,610 hop. 37 00:02:21,660 --> 00:02:23,850 And I've got clips. I've got clips, the Dave, 38 00:02:24,060 --> 00:02:27,960 Dave Jackson shout now i i don't remember exactly, because there 39 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,410 was a lot of people and a lot of things happening. But I believe 40 00:02:31,410 --> 00:02:34,950 Dave Jackson started the School of podcasting pretty early on. 41 00:02:35,580 --> 00:02:38,340 And he and you know, it's he's one of these people like we have 42 00:02:38,340 --> 00:02:44,940 so many in the podcasting. 2.0 beard combs community. You know, 43 00:02:44,940 --> 00:02:49,620 we got Christopher ice, who's, you know, is a feed Finder. The 44 00:02:49,620 --> 00:02:53,250 sweetest tricolor the sweetest tricolor? Exactly. We you know, 45 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,370 but of course, all of our app developers, we've got all these 46 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:02,790 these specialized little things. And when it comes to teaching 47 00:03:02,790 --> 00:03:06,750 people how to do it, I think Dave was the Oji. From what I 48 00:03:06,750 --> 00:03:09,570 can remember, it was School of podcasting, but he was he was, 49 00:03:09,690 --> 00:03:12,240 he was he's just that kind of guy. And so for him to jump in 50 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,810 and say, all right, what is it called? What is leading the 51 00:03:15,810 --> 00:03:17,490 bleeding? Yeah, leading the bleeding. The first 52 00:03:17,640 --> 00:03:18,750 great show name, though. 53 00:03:18,779 --> 00:03:23,969 Yeah. first episode. What is this a Toshi? Yeah, that's 54 00:03:23,969 --> 00:03:24,959 fantastic. 55 00:03:25,529 --> 00:03:29,939 I think it's great. It's a good show, Good show name. And he 56 00:03:29,939 --> 00:03:32,879 couldn't stop teaching, even in that first episode. I mean, he 57 00:03:32,879 --> 00:03:36,689 was still like, he just was going on Bitcoin, these just 58 00:03:36,689 --> 00:03:40,889 swerves into you know, a podcaster you know, don't do 59 00:03:40,889 --> 00:03:42,149 this or your shows gonna suck. 60 00:03:42,719 --> 00:03:47,429 Well, but that was also it's so reminiscent of podcasting. 1.0 61 00:03:47,849 --> 00:03:50,459 and, you know, we'd all be swerving. We didn't know what we 62 00:03:50,459 --> 00:03:53,609 know. We knew but when Yeah, we go all over the place. And we 63 00:03:53,609 --> 00:03:59,999 talked about at the time, and distill comes back in any any 64 00:04:00,779 --> 00:04:04,859 scholastic work about podcasting, but certainly the 65 00:04:04,859 --> 00:04:07,559 consultants in podcasting will say, well, you have to be 66 00:04:07,559 --> 00:04:11,039 passionate. Yes, there was a lot of you know, what to do. What 67 00:04:11,039 --> 00:04:13,919 wasn't, you know, how do you do a show? There was a lot of that 68 00:04:13,919 --> 00:04:17,489 and in addition to you know, hosting and all that stuff and 69 00:04:17,729 --> 00:04:20,339 comments is in many ways the same but you know, with some 70 00:04:20,339 --> 00:04:23,549 added this added bits in here, which is just fantastic. 71 00:04:23,940 --> 00:04:26,520 I want to talk about that for a second because I'd dug into 72 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:34,860 this. Let me see if I can find this paper that Spotify 73 00:04:34,860 --> 00:04:38,190 released. I think Curlin is the one that linked it at first. 74 00:04:39,060 --> 00:04:43,200 It's it's called Spotify language for listener 75 00:04:43,230 --> 00:04:47,070 engagement. Oh, yes. I did see the posting. I did not read it. 76 00:04:47,550 --> 00:04:50,910 Modeling Language usage and listener engagement in podcast 77 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:55,800 now. I will tell you, yeah. This is the most boring thing I have. 78 00:04:57,090 --> 00:05:03,630 I've read in a long time. It is in credibly draw, but I read the 79 00:05:03,630 --> 00:05:05,670 entire thing for you. 80 00:05:05,970 --> 00:05:08,610 Oh, thank you. So I don't have to beautiful. Yes, I did it for 81 00:05:08,610 --> 00:05:10,320 you. What did what did we learn Dave Jones. 82 00:05:12,570 --> 00:05:15,690 I just had this feeling there might be some interesting things 83 00:05:15,690 --> 00:05:21,690 in here. I'm on a hunch. And so we learn to see here's, here's 84 00:05:21,690 --> 00:05:24,330 the here's the nitty gritty on this thing. It's on page. 85 00:05:25,050 --> 00:05:29,700 Something. It says. So here's, here's sort of their, like, fine 86 00:05:29,730 --> 00:05:35,100 findings, okay. It says was the number one, the correlation 87 00:05:35,100 --> 00:05:39,510 between ads and engagement is mixed. Large amounts of ads and 88 00:05:39,510 --> 00:05:42,660 transcripts are associated with lower engagement in all, but the 89 00:05:42,660 --> 00:05:46,590 bottom popular popularity, or quarto, whatever that means. 90 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:47,220 It's a quarter 91 00:05:47,310 --> 00:05:49,620 25 bottom 25%. Okay. 92 00:05:49,650 --> 00:05:54,720 All right. ads in descriptions, on the other hand, do not hurt 93 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,450 engagement on the whole and in fact, are associated with higher 94 00:05:57,450 --> 00:06:05,670 engagement in the top quartile. Yeah, yeah. So the couple of 95 00:06:05,670 --> 00:06:12,240 things on that adds in chapter links. Hello. Makes make sense. 96 00:06:12,300 --> 00:06:16,830 Yeah. Totally. Especially for PCI stuff, like per inquiry. 97 00:06:17,580 --> 00:06:21,090 Like, you know, where people say use this code, you can say, just 98 00:06:21,090 --> 00:06:23,970 tap on the link because it includes the code in the in the 99 00:06:23,970 --> 00:06:24,570 URL. 100 00:06:25,530 --> 00:06:31,170 Yeah, I mean, so if the ads and descriptions don't hurt, and the 101 00:06:31,170 --> 00:06:35,370 ABS ads in the audio do hurt. Well, then, you know, this is 102 00:06:35,370 --> 00:06:37,530 perfect. And then you get you don't have to even you don't 103 00:06:37,530 --> 00:06:41,340 even have to do what were they called coupon codes. Yeah, 104 00:06:41,370 --> 00:06:44,010 exactly. The link. Yeah. Just you just tap it right there. 105 00:06:44,010 --> 00:06:45,300 Kaboom. Yep. 106 00:06:46,830 --> 00:06:48,270 So that was the first thing. 107 00:06:48,300 --> 00:06:52,290 Okay, solve. Okay. Okay, so Spotify, how can we fix them 108 00:06:52,290 --> 00:06:52,890 next? 109 00:06:53,099 --> 00:06:56,369 This was this was like, This looks like a very intense 110 00:06:56,369 --> 00:06:58,829 research project that somebody get paid lots of money for. And 111 00:06:59,789 --> 00:07:03,599 we just saw this in about a minute and a half, was Deloitte, 112 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:08,099 Deloitte, Deloitte. These are some hardcore computer science 113 00:07:08,099 --> 00:07:14,609 geeks. They use words that I had to look up. Oh, goodness. The 114 00:07:14,759 --> 00:07:20,879 here okay. So here's, here's two things that I thought were 115 00:07:20,879 --> 00:07:25,679 interesting. And I'll tell you why. high engagement podcasts 116 00:07:25,709 --> 00:07:31,889 are less likely to contain interjection and swearing. And 117 00:07:31,919 --> 00:07:34,499 high engagement, podcast creators tend to speak 118 00:07:34,499 --> 00:07:40,079 relatively fast. Okay, so the high engagement podcasters are 119 00:07:40,079 --> 00:07:42,539 less likely to contain interjections wearing, what 120 00:07:42,540 --> 00:07:47,580 does, what does engagement mean? engagement search surely means 121 00:07:47,730 --> 00:07:51,150 people buying something, what does it mean commenting where, 122 00:07:51,180 --> 00:07:54,060 you know, what does hiring I just this is my problem with the 123 00:07:54,060 --> 00:07:54,480 term 124 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:56,430 the engagement is 125 00:07:56,460 --> 00:07:58,350 their definition in this paper, 126 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:05,280 there is a definition Ah, and it is something that I probably 127 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:10,200 highlighted, but I cannot find it. So sorry, says many. Now, I 128 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,770 don't know. If you can't tell me Oh, here it is. Oh, no, no, no, 129 00:08:13,770 --> 00:08:19,290 that's it, I got that I got it. The stream rate, the CR metric 130 00:08:19,290 --> 00:08:23,430 of engagement is stream rate, which we define as the 131 00:08:23,430 --> 00:08:27,720 proportion of first time listeners who listened for at 132 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:31,740 least five minutes. That's their, that's their definition 133 00:08:31,740 --> 00:08:35,040 of engagement. So it says where a listeners decision to continue 134 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,500 listening for as long as five minutes is likely to be 135 00:08:37,500 --> 00:08:42,630 influenced by the content, therefore its engagement. Does 136 00:08:42,630 --> 00:08:45,210 that is that anything like what you would consider engagement? 137 00:08:48,540 --> 00:08:53,190 Well, so what I'm hearing them say is if you if someone a new 138 00:08:53,190 --> 00:08:57,270 listener, so not a current listener, but a new listener, 139 00:08:57,630 --> 00:09:01,110 listens for five minutes, then engagement is a metric of uptake 140 00:09:01,110 --> 00:09:02,700 and growth of the podcast. 141 00:09:03,900 --> 00:09:05,220 That may Yeah, the not not 142 00:09:05,220 --> 00:09:09,780 of people hearing or of the advertising being effective, or 143 00:09:09,780 --> 00:09:13,860 of people engaging with the brand or advertising content. 144 00:09:13,860 --> 00:09:17,010 It's new people it does that sound right to you? 145 00:09:17,699 --> 00:09:20,249 I think so because they specifically say that it cares. 146 00:09:20,669 --> 00:09:27,119 It says large amount. Large amounts of ads, and transcripts 147 00:09:27,149 --> 00:09:30,269 are associated with lower engagement in all but the bottom 148 00:09:30,269 --> 00:09:33,749 popularity quarter. While this may be explained by the fact 149 00:09:33,749 --> 00:09:37,889 that many listeners skip ads in the audio stream, the effect is 150 00:09:37,889 --> 00:09:41,489 strong enough to indicate the ads seem to hurt engagement. 151 00:09:41,759 --> 00:09:44,159 Even though surveys report that most listeners don't mind the 152 00:09:44,159 --> 00:09:44,969 ads. I've always 153 00:09:45,300 --> 00:09:48,360 I'm glad we read that because that means when I hear other 154 00:09:48,420 --> 00:09:52,950 podcasts or read about engagement, I did not have that 155 00:09:52,950 --> 00:09:56,070 in mind as the definition so it's, it's for growth of your 156 00:09:56,070 --> 00:09:59,280 podcast. How many people go like oh, okay, I'm listening. You 157 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,890 could you could do it. Engagement per episode. I guess. 158 00:10:02,310 --> 00:10:07,110 That's okay, too. But, but all right. So is this about this all 159 00:10:07,110 --> 00:10:09,900 very gross? Is this about advertising? Or is it about 160 00:10:09,900 --> 00:10:13,530 growing your show? As as I've heard said so often, 161 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,100 by the way, do you want to know how many lists? Do you want to 162 00:10:17,100 --> 00:10:20,730 know how many listeners we have? How do you know? I don't I was 163 00:10:20,730 --> 00:10:21,120 just kidding. 164 00:10:22,170 --> 00:10:25,320 That's good. You don't know. challenge any statistic you 165 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,330 throw at me, Dave Jones? Well, 166 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:28,500 I don't even have a number. I 167 00:10:28,500 --> 00:10:31,290 have no clue. Well, this. This actually brings up a good point. 168 00:10:32,310 --> 00:10:37,620 A few weeks ago, you wrote a blog post? Which What was it 169 00:10:37,620 --> 00:10:38,040 called? 170 00:10:39,210 --> 00:10:44,970 Oh, the blog. The it's time to drop the egos and address the IP 171 00:10:44,970 --> 00:10:45,870 addresses? Yeah, 172 00:10:45,900 --> 00:10:50,730 yeah, exactly. And, and you wrote this, and you sent to Tina 173 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:54,450 did or Tina wash? we all looked at it. We all thought it was 174 00:10:54,450 --> 00:10:57,870 great, that you held back for a week, and then you posted it. 175 00:10:58,350 --> 00:11:04,320 And it was like there wasn't a lot of uptake. But I believe it 176 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:11,010 was a very great influence on Brian Barletta has IP addresses 177 00:11:11,010 --> 00:11:11,610 story. 178 00:11:12,750 --> 00:11:16,650 Yeah, thanks. And we're in May. So I worked with Dan Benjamin, 179 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:21,960 for quite a few months, back and forth, to come up with the 180 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:26,190 framework for all that, in, you know, he had this initial idea. 181 00:11:26,190 --> 00:11:30,660 And we just kept refining it and refining it down. And then 182 00:11:30,690 --> 00:11:33,960 Cridland gave us some critical feedback about three weeks ago. 183 00:11:34,290 --> 00:11:38,040 So then we added one more one last piece, to get sort of over 184 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:42,420 the hump. And then, and then we published it. And so me and Dan 185 00:11:42,420 --> 00:11:46,170 are going to be on the sales profitable show, I think next 186 00:11:46,170 --> 00:11:48,930 week, next Wednesday. Ah, good. Good. 187 00:11:48,930 --> 00:11:55,050 Because, you know, I saw that you had several solutions. And I 188 00:11:55,050 --> 00:12:00,390 think that we don't have to get into into great depth about it. 189 00:12:00,390 --> 00:12:02,670 Because if you're gonna do that with the unpopular, or that 190 00:12:02,670 --> 00:12:06,270 sounds profitable, I definitely want you to do it there. But it 191 00:12:06,270 --> 00:12:09,090 seems like there's, you know, a solution that you offered a 192 00:12:09,090 --> 00:12:12,210 technical solution that could be implement implemented on the app 193 00:12:12,210 --> 00:12:15,240 side. And then there was the one that I favor, of course, which 194 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,640 is the actual listening statistics, even if you're 195 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,820 sending one set per minute or even pretend, or per five 196 00:12:20,820 --> 00:12:23,880 minutes to assure continued engagement. 197 00:12:24,390 --> 00:12:27,030 Mm hmm. Yeah. See that? I mean, that's clearly the one I prefer 198 00:12:27,030 --> 00:12:31,860 as well, because then you have, then you have actual numbers, 199 00:12:31,890 --> 00:12:35,190 and they're protected stats are protected the listener privacy, 200 00:12:35,190 --> 00:12:36,870 yeah, protected by the lightning network. And 201 00:12:36,870 --> 00:12:39,900 we already have statistics, you know, statistically, I think we 202 00:12:39,900 --> 00:12:45,480 have enough pod podcast apps and people that we could draw some 203 00:12:45,570 --> 00:12:48,120 not maybe not for every podcast, we should be able to draw some 204 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:48,900 conclusions. 205 00:12:50,220 --> 00:12:53,520 Well, this goes back to the to the whole thing that like this 206 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,520 keeps coming back up over and over again, when through 207 00:12:56,730 --> 00:13:02,100 throughout all of podcasting. 2.0 so far, is this notion that 208 00:13:02,130 --> 00:13:07,410 you can't the industry on the whole and this is why I thought 209 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,570 Barletta, his interview on pod land was really good. 210 00:13:09,599 --> 00:13:12,419 Hold on. I have a clip. Ah, yeah. 211 00:13:12,449 --> 00:13:13,529 Okay. Now, 212 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:19,020 I have a clip of his conclusion, which is what kind of saddened 213 00:13:19,020 --> 00:13:24,510 me, but hopefully, you and I considered one straight is when 214 00:13:24,540 --> 00:13:27,960 James asked him so what do you Brian Barletta gonna do about 215 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:31,110 the fact that Apple I think that's the main issue here. 216 00:13:31,110 --> 00:13:34,440 Apple is going to start obfuscating IP addresses. So 217 00:13:34,650 --> 00:13:42,930 tracking and the the ad a the podcast ad industry will hurt it 218 00:13:42,930 --> 00:13:46,080 severely. This is pretty much the only way that things can be 219 00:13:46,230 --> 00:13:50,580 tracked at all for some accountability. And there's an 220 00:13:50,580 --> 00:13:55,050 entire industry built on it. And so his answer just made me sad. 221 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,630 So what are we going to do about it from our letter? 222 00:13:57,660 --> 00:14:02,610 What are you going to do about it? Oh, God. I think I think I 223 00:14:02,610 --> 00:14:05,310 grew up a little bit in this year. I think that it was very 224 00:14:05,310 --> 00:14:08,520 fun to yell about all these things and to tell people about 225 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,970 all these things, and try and idealistically come at it. I 226 00:14:11,970 --> 00:14:15,240 have not men, the biggest fan of the IAB. But the truth is that 227 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,390 they are the only one organizing everyone in this room. So I have 228 00:14:18,390 --> 00:14:21,630 joined the tech lab, and I've joined the audio committee, and 229 00:14:21,630 --> 00:14:24,240 I'm going to talk to every single person I can't, I'm going 230 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,520 to reach out and continue to talk with Apple, Google, 231 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,820 Spotify, Amazon, and I'm going to advocate for all of them to 232 00:14:29,820 --> 00:14:32,670 just come to the table and build a framework. We're past the 233 00:14:32,670 --> 00:14:36,630 point of rad, you know, the listening spec that MKR created. 234 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:40,080 I think that we need to look at the core functionality. I think 235 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,650 we need to safeguard the base analytics of podcasting. We need 236 00:14:43,650 --> 00:14:46,380 to acknowledge that as an industry we do still revolve 237 00:14:46,380 --> 00:14:50,370 around RSS we find such value in the open nature of it. If IP 238 00:14:50,370 --> 00:14:52,980 address wants to go away, I think every single person in 239 00:14:52,980 --> 00:14:56,190 podcasting would raise their hand and supporter that if we do 240 00:14:56,190 --> 00:14:59,970 not lose the metrics on the hosting and publisher side so 241 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,820 This is my invitation I will gladly play shepherd, I will 242 00:15:02,820 --> 00:15:06,060 gladly play matchmaker and do whatever I have to do to get 243 00:15:06,090 --> 00:15:10,410 everyone at the table to just figure out how we do this, and 244 00:15:10,410 --> 00:15:14,070 maybe how we're the first industry in advertising to 245 00:15:14,070 --> 00:15:17,010 abandon IP address ahead of the curve, show people how it's done 246 00:15:17,010 --> 00:15:20,580 once again, wow, that will be fascinating. Where can we read 247 00:15:20,580 --> 00:15:23,220 more of this, if we want to find out more? Yes, sounds 248 00:15:23,220 --> 00:15:27,510 profitable.com. And you can find the newsletter, you can run the 249 00:15:27,510 --> 00:15:30,060 podcast, you can find the product deep dives, where I go 250 00:15:30,060 --> 00:15:33,240 over how all these different amazing ad tech products work. 251 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,210 And at the end of the day, I just want to say that ad tech in 252 00:15:36,210 --> 00:15:40,890 podcasting is the entire technology stack, because every 253 00:15:40,890 --> 00:15:43,890 aspect of it can help people advertise. So this is really 254 00:15:43,890 --> 00:15:46,890 important advertising will survive. These core metrics are 255 00:15:46,890 --> 00:15:50,790 critical to everybody just baked in ads, to not even doing ads to 256 00:15:50,790 --> 00:15:54,630 doing Patreon or self funded or to just do for fun. So this is 257 00:15:54,630 --> 00:15:56,910 critical to everybody. And I hope everybody gets involved. 258 00:15:57,300 --> 00:16:01,770 So you're much closer to this than I am. But I just want to 259 00:16:01,770 --> 00:16:04,950 make a couple remarks upfront. First of all, I love his energy 260 00:16:04,980 --> 00:16:08,160 and that kind of energy, I want to focus it where it's 261 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:13,410 beneficial. podcasting, 2.0 is not mutually exclusive, with 262 00:16:13,410 --> 00:16:16,710 advertising. And I think there's ways we can help. And then the 263 00:16:16,710 --> 00:16:21,120 third thing, which is what I know, I know you as and let me 264 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:25,320 stop on the third thing. We've known each other for a long 265 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,140 time, Dave, and I always knew that if we did something 266 00:16:28,140 --> 00:16:31,080 together that that took off, I knew it will be a lot of fun. 267 00:16:31,770 --> 00:16:36,870 And it's really a lot of fun. I really love doing this shit with 268 00:16:36,870 --> 00:16:43,320 you. Alright, so and three. This is the approach that has 269 00:16:43,350 --> 00:16:48,930 resulted in nothing for over a decade. The approach is you have 270 00:16:48,930 --> 00:16:57,090 an entire army of developers podcasters listeners who can 271 00:16:57,090 --> 00:17:00,450 support any type of implementation that we come up 272 00:17:00,450 --> 00:17:03,780 with and and these other guys, they will have to adapt to us. 273 00:17:03,780 --> 00:17:06,870 But this is you're a little more eloquent in explaining that. Oh, 274 00:17:07,020 --> 00:17:10,410 and then I guess three a Apple doesn't care about you. 275 00:17:12,299 --> 00:17:16,619 Yeah, no, that I thought about three a, a couple of times. 276 00:17:17,249 --> 00:17:19,469 Listening to that. I thought, oh, Nina, Apple doesn't care. 277 00:17:19,469 --> 00:17:23,249 And they just really don't they just really don't. But I mean, I 278 00:17:23,249 --> 00:17:25,319 guess I'd push back a little bit and say it's not really even a 279 00:17:25,319 --> 00:17:29,069 push back. I guess I would say that. I mean, this is that's, 280 00:17:29,339 --> 00:17:33,839 that's what we expect Brian to do. Right? That's, that's where 281 00:17:33,839 --> 00:17:37,229 he's that's where? Oh, sure. Oh, sure. Honestly, you know, he's 282 00:17:37,229 --> 00:17:42,239 living into and, and he's on that side, or that side of 283 00:17:42,239 --> 00:17:46,979 things. And then we're on the graph, Neo sort of the fat the 284 00:17:47,009 --> 00:17:49,949 the lower it near the grassroots, then we need to give 285 00:17:49,949 --> 00:17:53,939 him ammunition when he goes into battle. Yeah, yeah, that's 286 00:17:53,939 --> 00:17:56,519 exactly what I was thinking. That's great. To see. That's the 287 00:17:56,549 --> 00:18:00,689 that's the better way to say that. Because we're a perfect 288 00:18:00,689 --> 00:18:05,369 example is Dave Jackson. Launching a show about you know, 289 00:18:05,399 --> 00:18:11,789 about value for value. Also Evo. Tara this week? Yep. Had a great 290 00:18:11,789 --> 00:18:17,309 episode. And I got a clip of of Evo have an opinion. Is that the 291 00:18:17,309 --> 00:18:24,059 clip? Yeah. When it comes to what app you prefer, you 292 00:18:24,059 --> 00:18:30,209 recommend people utilize to enjoy your show. Just like that 293 00:18:30,209 --> 00:18:36,119 server above. I think you as a podcaster should have an opinion 294 00:18:37,199 --> 00:18:40,889 on which app someone should use, which are the best ones. 295 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:43,980 Yeah. Oh, before I forget, 296 00:18:44,250 --> 00:18:48,180 here's your cue to boost you know, you want to 297 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:54,000 shit works people and send and send Evo boost his podcast on 298 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,510 pontifications broadcast is valued at two. And and once we 299 00:18:57,510 --> 00:19:01,110 get that I saw you in the GitHub, once we get the episode 300 00:19:01,140 --> 00:19:03,720 value blocks, we're going to be able to put that in right. 301 00:19:03,990 --> 00:19:08,550 Yeah, yeah, we put that so excited. So we're like, that's 302 00:19:08,700 --> 00:19:13,050 where I'm thinking about this is we are already and I say we I 303 00:19:13,050 --> 00:19:18,690 mean podcasting. 2.0 as a movement is already pushing back 304 00:19:18,780 --> 00:19:23,820 on these things. And like we had a long Twitter back and forth 305 00:19:23,850 --> 00:19:29,400 this week with with Mark ASCO from CAD Dovey, and Tom Webster 306 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:33,870 jumped in and it was this all sparked by evos evos episode, 307 00:19:33,870 --> 00:19:37,710 which was fantastic. It was a typical thing that we have been 308 00:19:37,710 --> 00:19:41,220 hearing for a while it was well, you know, there's got to be some 309 00:19:41,220 --> 00:19:45,090 sort of critical mass and you've got to get everybody to play 310 00:19:45,090 --> 00:19:49,230 along and it was just this the same sort of you know, you have 311 00:19:49,230 --> 00:19:55,260 to get you have to get momentum in order or you have to get size 312 00:19:55,470 --> 00:20:00,450 before any of this will that will matter and that they Is the 313 00:20:00,450 --> 00:20:05,970 toxic part of what we've what podcasting has to deal with on a 314 00:20:05,970 --> 00:20:09,690 constant basis. And, I mean, I understand what they're trying 315 00:20:09,690 --> 00:20:18,450 to get at. But the the, the game has changed. Now there is now 316 00:20:18,450 --> 00:20:23,130 there's a group of people that are inspired to see change 317 00:20:23,340 --> 00:20:29,640 happen. And once that, once that becomes reality, once there are 318 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,870 a group of people who are inspired for for change, just 319 00:20:33,870 --> 00:20:37,620 change, it doesn't matter what the change is, if they want to 320 00:20:37,770 --> 00:20:40,380 see things improve, and things be different, and they want to 321 00:20:40,380 --> 00:20:44,880 see new things, once that becomes there's a hunger for 322 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,720 that, then that thing becomes a life of its own. It takes on a 323 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,110 life of its own and it can it can, it can make things happen. 324 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,650 that couldn't happen before when there was nobody there to 325 00:20:55,650 --> 00:20:56,670 advocate for it. 326 00:20:57,750 --> 00:21:01,920 This is okay, so the analog couple of things, what we have 327 00:21:01,950 --> 00:21:07,110 in 1.0, and what we're missing in 2.0, probably is 328 00:21:07,290 --> 00:21:11,280 transmitters. We don't need no stinking transmitters. It was 329 00:21:11,310 --> 00:21:15,660 against the established media. Not like it was a fight or 330 00:21:15,660 --> 00:21:18,780 anything, but it was like, hey, look at this. This is a backdoor 331 00:21:18,810 --> 00:21:21,240 we're going around him. So that was that's kind of what that 332 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:22,530 was. And the 333 00:21:22,530 --> 00:21:24,120 pirate radio type. Yes, 334 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:29,519 exactly. And so now, it's a different situation. Because 335 00:21:29,999 --> 00:21:36,269 the, you know, Apple is one of the Oji pirates. But you know, 336 00:21:36,269 --> 00:21:39,179 the pirate is, you know, stopped caring because there was no 337 00:21:39,179 --> 00:21:42,539 loot, you know, looking for the map, and you know, where's the 338 00:21:42,539 --> 00:21:45,989 x, I can't I can't find the gold doubloons. And so, you know, 339 00:21:45,989 --> 00:21:48,629 they don't care. Then Then came another pirate, a true pirate, 340 00:21:48,629 --> 00:21:52,709 which is Spotify. And, and they went ha, we don't see a map 341 00:21:52,709 --> 00:21:57,419 either, but ha give us your doubloons podcasters. And, and 342 00:21:57,419 --> 00:22:01,589 we like well, you got to get all the podcasters to have the 343 00:22:01,589 --> 00:22:05,039 doubloons but that's not how it works. It's just it's it's the 344 00:22:05,039 --> 00:22:09,509 nature of a decentralized system. It's it's, gosh. You 345 00:22:09,509 --> 00:22:14,399 know, it's like what a bit like Max Keiser said, in Austin, you 346 00:22:14,399 --> 00:22:17,999 know, Bitcoin was designed to be attacked, or assessed in a way 347 00:22:18,029 --> 00:22:21,539 was designed to be attacked. It's a honey badger. It's like 348 00:22:21,539 --> 00:22:27,059 Ha. tumbles on. Yeah, there's no advocacy group. There's no, I 349 00:22:27,059 --> 00:22:30,719 was once in the RSS board and I got kicked off because I don't 350 00:22:30,719 --> 00:22:34,919 know I did. I missed 18,000 meetings that went to spam. You 351 00:22:34,919 --> 00:22:38,879 missed a meeting. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, I don't really 352 00:22:38,879 --> 00:22:42,449 miss meetings. Actually. I'm pretty good at that. But I don't 353 00:22:42,449 --> 00:22:48,479 do them anymore. Or at least I try not to. So yeah, so we have 354 00:22:48,479 --> 00:22:53,579 such I can feel the network effect. And it comes when you 355 00:22:53,579 --> 00:22:56,669 get embeddable players that are showing chapters, and someone 356 00:22:56,669 --> 00:22:59,159 says, Oh, what is that again? 357 00:22:59,190 --> 00:23:00,780 What's the just cast? 358 00:23:00,779 --> 00:23:04,109 I think just cast? I think that's what it is. Yeah, you see 359 00:23:04,109 --> 00:23:08,489 that? It's like, oh, wow, that's kind of interesting. And, boy, 360 00:23:08,489 --> 00:23:14,039 you might as well pop this now. Because with a little bit of 361 00:23:14,039 --> 00:23:18,269 luck, we're kind of early development cycle. I think it 362 00:23:18,269 --> 00:23:22,679 was two shows ago, we were talking I was again, at I was 363 00:23:22,679 --> 00:23:26,549 with Steven B was that three shows ago? Two or three shows, 364 00:23:26,789 --> 00:23:32,099 don't ask me that. I was saying hi, not my, my old thing if I 365 00:23:32,099 --> 00:23:35,159 really want to be able to create a new episode, right in the app. 366 00:23:35,549 --> 00:23:38,819 And of course, all of a sudden Steven says, okay, check this 367 00:23:38,819 --> 00:23:39,179 out. 368 00:23:39,539 --> 00:23:41,759 Yeah, yeah, that was a chat. He takes that as a direct 369 00:23:41,759 --> 00:23:42,299 challenge. 370 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:47,519 Yeah, well, so today, if all goes well, if we're fortunate, 371 00:23:47,519 --> 00:23:50,249 and you're hearing this, it doesn't necessarily mean that 372 00:23:52,859 --> 00:23:55,589 that you, if nothing else changing you're hearing the 373 00:23:55,589 --> 00:24:00,209 show, then it probably worked. And this is really cool, because 374 00:24:00,209 --> 00:24:04,259 you're looking at the Curio caster and you know, there's an 375 00:24:04,289 --> 00:24:08,099 add episode, and you click on the Add episode, and it copies 376 00:24:08,099 --> 00:24:10,829 over a whole bunch of the metadata you already had. But 377 00:24:10,829 --> 00:24:15,029 it's all the tags, almost all the tags, write down to the feed 378 00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:18,749 meta tags for funding, etc. And it's got a nice little editor 379 00:24:18,749 --> 00:24:24,179 for show notes. And you. You click you don't even click save, 380 00:24:24,179 --> 00:24:27,659 you just click go, you click Export RSS, and it poops out an 381 00:24:27,659 --> 00:24:32,549 RSS file that doesn't even change the generator meta tag, 382 00:24:33,809 --> 00:24:34,319 which is 383 00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:41,070 so i i got the link for this and I couldn't get it to work and I 384 00:24:41,070 --> 00:24:42,360 think it was just a browser problem. 385 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,419 So you can't use it on mobile. You can't use it on mobile. 386 00:24:45,900 --> 00:24:48,900 Okay, so I haven't seen I haven't seen how it works. Like 387 00:24:48,900 --> 00:24:51,180 I don't know anything. You have to tell me how it works because 388 00:24:51,180 --> 00:24:52,380 I haven't even used How can that 389 00:24:52,380 --> 00:24:54,420 be? You didn't get the link. 390 00:24:54,660 --> 00:24:56,910 Now I got the link but it wouldn't work in my browser on 391 00:24:56,910 --> 00:25:00,630 desktop. I think you maybe it was brave. Every time And brave. 392 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,110 Every time I would click the episode thing, it would just not 393 00:25:04,110 --> 00:25:04,770 do anything. 394 00:25:05,069 --> 00:25:06,809 So you didn't get an empty box? 395 00:25:07,740 --> 00:25:10,770 No, No, I didn't. But that may have been. He may have been 396 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,630 doing something. Yeah, that can happen, 397 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,440 especially with web apps. Yeah. No, it's basically it's a 398 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,050 template and he's got a drop down on the right hand side. So 399 00:25:19,050 --> 00:25:23,610 your top things are, you have title, episode number, show 400 00:25:23,610 --> 00:25:27,720 notes, URL for enclosure for the mp3 file. To me, that part is 401 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,510 still manual. But that's how I do it now. Anyway, I just FTP it 402 00:25:30,510 --> 00:25:38,100 into our system, both the feed the mp3 and the temporary SRT 403 00:25:38,100 --> 00:25:41,100 file that says transcript processing come back soon, 404 00:25:41,100 --> 00:25:41,550 y'all. 405 00:25:41,910 --> 00:25:44,700 But by the way, I don't think you said I think he said Steven 406 00:25:44,700 --> 00:25:48,210 Bannon don't make some people may not understand that. He's 407 00:25:48,210 --> 00:25:51,240 the developer of Curio caster. This is all happening in the 408 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:52,620 Curio caster. Yes, 409 00:25:52,650 --> 00:25:56,070 yes, exactly. And so if you look at the Curio caster app on the 410 00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:59,730 desktop, it's three panes. In the middle one is the episode 411 00:25:59,730 --> 00:26:03,600 list. That's what this with this link, you that doesn't work for 412 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,750 you pops up, you click on new episode, you get a blank box at 413 00:26:06,750 --> 00:26:09,780 the top. And as you're filling stuff out on the in the right 414 00:26:09,780 --> 00:26:14,070 hand panel, which turns into like a templatized. Like a 415 00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:17,430 WordPress type thing, you know, right? And you filling out the 416 00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:22,440 basics, you see it appear in the in the new episode in your 417 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,070 podcast list. So you actually can preview it right there in 418 00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:26,700 the app. 419 00:26:28,410 --> 00:26:31,440 Okay, so is it live yet? Or is it still in the beta site? 420 00:26:31,470 --> 00:26:36,780 Oh, no, it's that link that I gave you. So then once you do 421 00:26:36,780 --> 00:26:39,480 that, and it copies over all the fields that you don't want to be 422 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:44,130 typing in every single time. If I think you can have it, copy 423 00:26:44,130 --> 00:26:46,200 everything over, just make a duplicate and change whatever 424 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:46,710 you want. 425 00:26:48,180 --> 00:26:51,750 Then this is like I say, I know you well enough to know that 426 00:26:51,750 --> 00:26:52,980 you're salivate Dude, 427 00:26:52,980 --> 00:26:57,210 I'm choosing over here. This is crazy. This is Yeah. And then 428 00:26:57,210 --> 00:26:59,910 you have a drop down for all the different tags and everything. 429 00:26:59,910 --> 00:27:03,540 And after the show, I want to sit with you and go through to 430 00:27:03,540 --> 00:27:06,540 make sure we've got all the all that I'm doing all the tags, 431 00:27:06,540 --> 00:27:09,090 right, cuz I've never even used any of these. Okay, 432 00:27:09,299 --> 00:27:17,879 yeah. So, okay, so what we need now is, is a hosting company to 433 00:27:18,479 --> 00:27:24,929 allow for an API to express an API that can handle this thing. 434 00:27:25,349 --> 00:27:25,829 So 435 00:27:25,860 --> 00:27:29,100 yeah, well, can we hook into the like, would pod press does was 436 00:27:29,100 --> 00:27:29,700 blueberry? 437 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:35,760 Yes, I'm thinking. Blueberry? is the one that pops to mind first, 438 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:40,290 because they seem to have the infrastructure. But I'm thinking 439 00:27:40,290 --> 00:27:44,940 that I mean, this makes sense. It makes sense to me for other 440 00:27:44,940 --> 00:27:49,350 hosts to build out an API for this if they don't have one. 441 00:27:49,470 --> 00:27:52,620 Yep. Because then you can. There's a new This feels like a 442 00:27:52,620 --> 00:27:57,990 new class of app where you're gonna have me just just to be 443 00:27:57,990 --> 00:27:59,910 clear, if people aren't following what we're talking 444 00:27:59,910 --> 00:28:00,180 about. 445 00:28:00,930 --> 00:28:04,050 It's so clear to me, and I'm like, Why don't people see my 446 00:28:04,050 --> 00:28:05,190 vision? Dammit. 447 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:11,369 The idea here is that you're, you're creating your podcast 448 00:28:11,699 --> 00:28:15,749 feed in the same app that you're consuming the feed with? Yeah. 449 00:28:15,959 --> 00:28:20,609 Which is kind of a crazy. Yeah, idea. This is like your it's 450 00:28:20,609 --> 00:28:22,949 like going into you're going into your podcast app to listen 451 00:28:22,949 --> 00:28:27,029 to podcasts. But then you go to your podcast, and you miss an 452 00:28:27,029 --> 00:28:31,409 episode episode. Yeah, Episode, and then it gives you a feed. So 453 00:28:31,409 --> 00:28:32,669 I'm thinking that but it's 454 00:28:32,670 --> 00:28:35,250 really it's really appropriate on the desktop. That's where it 455 00:28:35,250 --> 00:28:38,850 really comes to life mobile is, you know, I can't see that being 456 00:28:38,850 --> 00:28:41,040 necessary. But you could create your own scripts. You're an 457 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:45,390 apple script. You know, you save an RSS feed into this folder, 458 00:28:45,390 --> 00:28:48,450 boom, it goes off. I mean, there's a million ways to do 459 00:28:48,450 --> 00:28:50,190 self holsters will love this. 460 00:28:50,700 --> 00:28:53,880 Yeah, yeah, this is, and that's the that's so that's the next 461 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,970 step is you've gotten Okay, now you got a feed? Yeah, he has 462 00:28:56,970 --> 00:28:59,070 stick it somewhere and you've got audio files, you need to 463 00:28:59,070 --> 00:29:03,060 stick them somewhere. So then that's where the host hosting 464 00:29:03,060 --> 00:29:06,930 company could come in and have an API that would let Curio 465 00:29:06,930 --> 00:29:11,490 caster just plug in to this dude's account. Yeah. So that 466 00:29:11,490 --> 00:29:14,250 they can just go boop, boop, done. Yeah, right, right to the 467 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,240 right to the hosting company in it. And it just gives them the 468 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,880 data where the hosting company could suck it in and build the 469 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:21,360 fade out. 470 00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:25,649 And now the app developers can start offering the services for 471 00:29:25,649 --> 00:29:29,489 different hosting companies. And you know, they should get ivig 472 00:29:29,489 --> 00:29:30,029 for that. 473 00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:31,559 Yeah, that'd be awesome. 474 00:29:31,589 --> 00:29:32,219 Right? 475 00:29:32,430 --> 00:29:33,030 That's me 476 00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:35,789 now. And now we have an ecosystem. Now we're all talking 477 00:29:35,789 --> 00:29:39,299 to each other. We've all been so Gosh, dang it independent. 478 00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:42,299 Hosting and podcaster. 479 00:29:42,599 --> 00:29:46,349 They're bringing the apps can now bring customers directly to 480 00:29:46,349 --> 00:29:46,829 the host. 481 00:29:46,829 --> 00:29:50,519 Yeah. Hey, you want to start your own click here. Use this 482 00:29:50,519 --> 00:29:50,969 app. 483 00:29:52,740 --> 00:29:55,770 You're in that you know what that is? That's anchor. 484 00:29:56,730 --> 00:29:59,610 Yeah, only everyone gets to do it and everyone participates. 485 00:29:59,610 --> 00:29:59,880 Yes, 486 00:29:59,879 --> 00:30:01,559 you decentralized anchors. 487 00:30:02,249 --> 00:30:04,739 Oh, there you go. 488 00:30:05,940 --> 00:30:08,700 You get you get you're listening to some stuff. And you flip 489 00:30:08,700 --> 00:30:11,490 over. And like, Oh, I want to start a pod. Well, you know 490 00:30:11,490 --> 00:30:14,310 what, I want to start a podcast to new episode? 491 00:30:14,430 --> 00:30:18,090 Yes, exactly. Bam, new episode, and then it pops up 492 00:30:18,090 --> 00:30:20,850 like which hosts? Do you want to use? blueberry buzzsprout 493 00:30:20,850 --> 00:30:23,850 rss.com A captivate Trentino just gives you a list of all the 494 00:30:23,850 --> 00:30:26,940 participating hosts, you say? Yeah. And they're like, Okay, 495 00:30:26,940 --> 00:30:30,960 well, you know, we'll get we'll do a sign up. And then the app 496 00:30:31,260 --> 00:30:34,800 developer gets a percentage of off the sign up or whatever. 497 00:30:35,130 --> 00:30:42,030 And discount codes the podcast is read out is so 2010, bro. It 498 00:30:42,030 --> 00:30:48,750 is. It's like, Oh, yeah, that's right. Oh, man, we're making 499 00:30:48,750 --> 00:30:51,480 everybody money. But ourselves, Dave? Dammit, oh, 500 00:30:51,660 --> 00:30:53,100 no, we got booster gram, 501 00:30:53,310 --> 00:30:56,760 well, hold on, we'll get to the booster grams. So along with 502 00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:01,200 this comes our rejiggered positioning, which you kind of 503 00:31:01,740 --> 00:31:05,700 came up with it. And we and we moved a few words around, but I 504 00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:08,430 want to share it because I really, really like it. And this 505 00:31:08,430 --> 00:31:13,140 is such an excellent example of it. The podcast index is here to 506 00:31:13,140 --> 00:31:16,890 preserve, protect and extend the open independent podcast 507 00:31:16,890 --> 00:31:20,610 ecosystem. We do this by enabling developers to have 508 00:31:20,610 --> 00:31:23,640 access to an open categorized index that will always be 509 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:28,080 available for free for any use, try a new podcast app today and 510 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,290 see how much better the experience can be. And right 511 00:31:31,290 --> 00:31:35,790 now, and that just links to the to the apps page, which is all 512 00:31:35,790 --> 00:31:39,030 going to change. But at least we're figuring out what the hell 513 00:31:39,030 --> 00:31:41,940 we're going to change. We know we know it's going to look 514 00:31:41,940 --> 00:31:45,150 pretty, we're just figuring out all these pieces and all these 515 00:31:45,150 --> 00:31:49,110 proper positionings. And this is good though I like this a lot. 516 00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:51,120 And it's exactly what we're doing, preserve, protect and 517 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:51,690 extend. 518 00:31:52,619 --> 00:31:56,699 It just it felt the the original mission statement that was up 519 00:31:56,699 --> 00:31:59,249 there about preserving free speech and that kind of thing. 520 00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:05,549 It felt incomplete. And just, it was too simplistic. And it was 521 00:32:05,549 --> 00:32:10,799 just, it was me, I think I can say this better. It was so 522 00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:11,879 simplistic, 523 00:32:12,990 --> 00:32:17,280 that it was easy to just get triggered by it for political 524 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,270 reasons. And it did not fully express what we were actually 525 00:32:21,270 --> 00:32:25,050 trying to do. Agreed. And to be fair to ourselves, when we 526 00:32:25,050 --> 00:32:28,020 started, there was only two things we were going to do. 527 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,960 We're going to have an independent index that any app 528 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,750 developer could tap into, and we're going to make lightning 529 00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:39,270 work with satoshis. And what came out of that is like, like 530 00:32:39,270 --> 00:32:44,820 we uncork some, some bottle of pent up creativity and energy. 531 00:32:45,030 --> 00:32:48,510 And it just spewed out a whole namespace with you know, with 532 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,720 with tons of new features and ideas 533 00:32:52,230 --> 00:32:55,440 that you just described a Fauci boost I think 534 00:32:57,660 --> 00:32:58,770 boosts there we go 535 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,040 that's exactly what happened here. 536 00:33:02,099 --> 00:33:06,989 So this is where I feel bad because you know we started the 537 00:33:06,989 --> 00:33:12,299 boost to get booster gram craze You know, we've been pushing it 538 00:33:12,299 --> 00:33:18,089 real hard. We've been active participants in it. And Cridland 539 00:33:18,089 --> 00:33:21,479 asked me to do a jingle for their booster Graham corner and 540 00:33:21,479 --> 00:33:25,679 I completely forgot and then he called me out on on the show 541 00:33:25,679 --> 00:33:33,839 after they had a boost of grammar boo cocky fest. Just I'm 542 00:33:33,839 --> 00:33:35,399 sorry. Sorry. 543 00:33:37,380 --> 00:33:40,800 That is a foul that is inappropriate is inappropriate. 544 00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:43,109 I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but it's what it was. 545 00:33:43,109 --> 00:33:43,859 I mean, Alisha, 546 00:33:43,890 --> 00:33:46,710 I was there I was like hold this listen to these guys are going 547 00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:50,340 nuts. And after they just did this whole bid on how fucked up 548 00:33:51,180 --> 00:33:55,980 how messed up advertising is trying to be good now. They go 549 00:33:55,980 --> 00:33:58,590 straight into they were so joyous and so happy and they 550 00:33:58,590 --> 00:34:02,850 made like $130 in satoshis from booster grams like this this is 551 00:34:02,910 --> 00:34:05,250 I had a big smile on my face. 552 00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:07,920 Oh I did you can do it now. This one 553 00:34:07,949 --> 00:34:10,019 yeah, that's what I was thinking I was thinking I'll do a live 554 00:34:10,019 --> 00:34:13,229 jingle for them do it live and we'll do a live baby Let me see 555 00:34:13,229 --> 00:34:17,189 if I can let me see if I can do this. Okay. This was boosted 556 00:34:17,189 --> 00:34:21,419 Graham corner. All right. Yeah. Now it's time for the boost 557 00:34:21,419 --> 00:34:25,019 boost boost boost. Boost gram 558 00:34:25,019 --> 00:34:30,809 corner is too much too much. You unloaded everything in the 559 00:34:30,809 --> 00:34:31,319 arsenal 560 00:34:33,300 --> 00:34:33,930 Okay, coach 561 00:34:33,930 --> 00:34:36,060 me, drag background singers. 562 00:34:36,809 --> 00:34:39,269 Coach me coach because you're just simple just that just you 563 00:34:39,269 --> 00:34:43,469 know, just what like a big booming voice like I can do. In 564 00:34:43,469 --> 00:34:46,769 a world where podcast news matters more than women with 565 00:34:46,769 --> 00:34:49,949 comfortable shoes. It's your boost to Graham corner. 566 00:34:51,389 --> 00:34:54,209 I think you need to go with top 40 I think you need to top for 567 00:34:54,209 --> 00:34:58,439 it. They're both radio guy. 568 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:05,520 Going I was doing like booster grabs booster gram corner. Let 569 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,190 me try that. Why don't we try booster booster booster grams 570 00:35:08,250 --> 00:35:13,530 booster booster gram corner. I can't get more top 40 than that. 571 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,400 But I'll just do a big voice Alright, here we go 572 00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:20,700 do it do a straight Do you go do your best Casey Casey. 573 00:35:21,930 --> 00:35:24,030 And now the booster gram corner. 574 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:25,530 No that's 575 00:35:26,940 --> 00:35:31,440 that's my Casey Casey him. Okay. Now long distance dedication 576 00:35:31,740 --> 00:35:32,760 about a dead puppy. 577 00:35:34,290 --> 00:35:35,880 Do your best Delilah. Yeah. 578 00:35:38,670 --> 00:35:40,170 booster gram corner. 579 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:42,060 That's boring. 580 00:35:44,460 --> 00:35:46,500 They can choose and edit whatever they want. I think I've 581 00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:50,130 done enough. I've done my business. I have returned us the 582 00:35:50,130 --> 00:35:56,070 pod father. Heard you on the survival podcast? That was 583 00:35:56,070 --> 00:35:57,090 really good. 584 00:35:57,690 --> 00:36:04,140 Oh, thanks. Yeah, my my audio was going buzzer and I barely 585 00:36:04,140 --> 00:36:05,400 had any idea what I was saying. 586 00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:10,350 Well didn't come across that way. You It's so nice. And is 587 00:36:10,350 --> 00:36:14,250 another reason why I love working with you. You know, from 588 00:36:14,250 --> 00:36:16,410 the early days on where I was dragging 589 00:36:18,690 --> 00:36:19,620 spark 590 00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:26,640 Voyager which was the Sun luggable workstation, color, 591 00:36:26,940 --> 00:36:30,030 detachable keyboard with a Yes, sir. A hot headed color cue. 592 00:36:30,060 --> 00:36:34,860 Yeah, the color LCD screen with a built in modem. And I drag 593 00:36:34,860 --> 00:36:38,100 that thing into the CEO, the Office of the CEO of you know, 594 00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:42,960 Reebok and Budweiser. And I jack their fax machine and neither, 595 00:36:43,020 --> 00:36:46,350 you know, 100 foot cord, telephone cord and we bring up 596 00:36:46,350 --> 00:36:49,710 mosaic and say here's the future son, but it was pretty much 597 00:36:49,710 --> 00:36:52,980 always me. And I was MTV guy. So I was like a monkey boy here to 598 00:36:52,980 --> 00:36:57,120 dance show. Everybody and that was that's been my career for a 599 00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:03,510 long, long time. Until you know, podcasting, and really no agenda 600 00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:08,340 and we're doing podcasting. 2.0 So now, there's someone who 601 00:37:08,340 --> 00:37:13,200 tells the story in an even better way than I do. You're so 602 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,190 calm and you are very, very I'm taking some lessons from how you 603 00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:17,760 do that. 604 00:37:18,060 --> 00:37:21,390 No, I enjoyed it. I enjoyed this show cuz I can I can I can feed 605 00:37:21,390 --> 00:37:25,680 off your energy. My natural state is is very, 606 00:37:25,980 --> 00:37:29,100 very MPR but without without the annoying of talk. 607 00:37:29,550 --> 00:37:32,790 Oh, thank you. Well, you were on Allison Morrow show to you. 608 00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:36,480 Right? Yeah, about about three quarters of the way through it. 609 00:37:36,750 --> 00:37:40,320 Yeah, it was fun. I like her. I want to get her on. On value for 610 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:45,210 value. Julie work though. Yeah, she's just coming straight out 611 00:37:45,210 --> 00:37:47,520 of mainstream. So she's, she's, you know, she's got some 612 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,880 learning to do. But she's, I had no i didn't i haven't knew about 613 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,670 her. I think we might have covered her story on no agenda A 614 00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:58,050 long time ago. But I got all kinds of interesting messages 615 00:37:58,050 --> 00:38:00,810 from you know, sir. genies like you were great analysis. But you 616 00:38:00,810 --> 00:38:03,150 watch out. Oh, yeah. Since Episode Five, like, Oh, 617 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,450 I never even heard of her until you until you said you're going 618 00:38:06,450 --> 00:38:11,070 to be on her show that I watched enough to to see the chat. And 619 00:38:11,070 --> 00:38:15,300 the chat was, I've never really seen. I mean, I've seen the 620 00:38:15,300 --> 00:38:17,760 YouTube chat. But I mean, don't get me wrong, but like, I've 621 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:18,300 never 622 00:38:18,930 --> 00:38:21,630 Oh, see, I got you got a live experience. 623 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,930 Yeah. And it was actually really cool. What I can see why people 624 00:38:24,930 --> 00:38:25,470 want that. 625 00:38:25,500 --> 00:38:28,020 Yeah, that's, that's what I call engagement. That can be 626 00:38:28,020 --> 00:38:31,050 engagements. And people are doing that stuff, especially if 627 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,270 each chat message comes with a Satoshi. 628 00:38:34,530 --> 00:38:36,570 It's just like, that may sound a little troll room on this side 629 00:38:36,570 --> 00:38:40,140 of the screen. You know, I mean, that's what it feels like, well, 630 00:38:40,140 --> 00:38:42,420 chat room, eight. And I can see that, 631 00:38:42,450 --> 00:38:44,370 hey. So 632 00:38:46,139 --> 00:38:48,599 if you took the concept of a boost, and maybe just I'm just 633 00:38:48,599 --> 00:38:54,269 going crazy here, if you took a booster Graham, but the message 634 00:38:55,049 --> 00:39:00,569 was, because the a booster gram, the app automatically should 635 00:39:00,569 --> 00:39:03,839 get, you know, let's just say with any trailer, any booster 636 00:39:03,839 --> 00:39:08,789 gram, the app gets one set, which means the app also gets 637 00:39:09,089 --> 00:39:14,489 the TLV. Record. Right. And there's a couple of other people 638 00:39:14,489 --> 00:39:19,919 who get to to view record. Doesn't can that also not 639 00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:25,049 constitute a post a comment? Could the app to not say Oh, 640 00:39:25,049 --> 00:39:29,279 that's a comment. And click I'll put it right here underneath the 641 00:39:29,279 --> 00:39:29,819 show in the 642 00:39:29,820 --> 00:39:34,320 app. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's the Sphinx model, right? 643 00:39:36,420 --> 00:39:38,940 Yeah, you're just passing the you're passing. So to me, the 644 00:39:38,940 --> 00:39:43,710 Sphinx chat model is you pass a Satoshi a Satoshi around with 645 00:39:43,710 --> 00:39:45,240 the TLV attached to 646 00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:47,460 it. Right. But how does the other How do the other apps get 647 00:39:47,460 --> 00:39:51,930 ahold of that? could then the, the app that receive that, that 648 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:57,630 comment, boost, then share that you'd have to 649 00:39:58,950 --> 00:40:03,420 Okay, so things that pop out to me would be like he first would 650 00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:10,410 possibly take that incoming message or that incoming Hold on 651 00:40:10,410 --> 00:40:11,670 a second. Steven B. 652 00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:15,570 Don't build anything yet. Just wait. Yes, please. This is 653 00:40:15,570 --> 00:40:18,510 really an unrehearsed off the cuff crap here. All right. 654 00:40:19,710 --> 00:40:21,570 Yeah, I feel like we stress people out with 655 00:40:22,620 --> 00:40:24,630 a lot of people I know for sure. Yeah. 656 00:40:25,410 --> 00:40:29,640 So it feels like you could do it one of two ways. You could, you 657 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,720 could, the app could get the T o v. So I guess I'm just 658 00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:37,320 envisioning This is you. Okay, so this is YouTube. And in this 659 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,020 scenario, this would be something like, Curio caster or 660 00:40:40,020 --> 00:40:41,820 pod friend, this will be sad. Yes, 661 00:40:41,850 --> 00:40:42,390 exactly. 662 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:48,240 And so it's doing it. It's it's seeing it live. And on the 663 00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:51,510 stream. The SATs are going to. 664 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,140 I already figured it out. Stop. 665 00:40:55,590 --> 00:40:56,130 Okay. 666 00:40:56,250 --> 00:41:00,930 All you need is a value block that is designated for your 667 00:41:00,930 --> 00:41:06,240 comments. Oh, yeah. And then you put so yeah, and then every 668 00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:10,470 single payment that goes there, you just publish the comment? 669 00:41:12,690 --> 00:41:14,970 Yeah, what would the publishing mechanism be like? No. 670 00:41:15,060 --> 00:41:17,400 Fucking magic, Dave. I'm surprised you haven't built it 671 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,990 yet. I'm talking about what is the mechanisms PHP, baby. reacts 672 00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:24,120 React Native native react. I don't know what it 673 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:32,640 is. It's react flutter flutter solves this. spelt. Yeah. Now, 674 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,880 that could work. You have a dedicated This is like the this 675 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,260 is like the chat. 676 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,100 I mean, we we I mean, I wouldn't mind. I mean, we could just do 677 00:41:41,100 --> 00:41:46,230 that for us. You know, just as a test. There's something here and 678 00:41:46,230 --> 00:41:49,110 maybe maybe the podcasts or services that we're you know, 679 00:41:49,110 --> 00:41:51,630 that we're working on. Maybe that's something that we could 680 00:41:52,050 --> 00:41:55,950 at least facilitate setting up and we don't want to we don't 681 00:41:55,950 --> 00:41:57,690 want to post anything. 682 00:41:58,020 --> 00:42:00,990 podcast or services that are you. You're the director of 683 00:42:00,990 --> 00:42:02,370 podcast or serve fuck no, 684 00:42:02,460 --> 00:42:05,820 I am the I am the director of podcasts or success. 685 00:42:07,500 --> 00:42:09,360 That's it. Tricaster success ninja? 686 00:42:09,390 --> 00:42:12,180 Yes. That's that's what I am. Yeah. 687 00:42:12,330 --> 00:42:16,350 Well, I mean, this could be okay, so the live thing needs to 688 00:42:16,350 --> 00:42:20,940 happen first. Yeah. Live tag. First. That's that's face poor 689 00:42:20,940 --> 00:42:25,740 baby. Um, sweet. I'm declaring it as renting the flag. Sweet. 690 00:42:25,740 --> 00:42:26,940 Sweet. I want it. 691 00:42:27,180 --> 00:42:30,420 Yeah. And it has to be streaming live. It can't just be live. 692 00:42:30,420 --> 00:42:31,710 It's got to be streaming live. 693 00:42:32,100 --> 00:42:34,710 streaming live streaming live? We'll do it through pilot pod 694 00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:40,080 paying. And then then this would be next. 695 00:42:40,110 --> 00:42:43,530 Yeah, pod paid shit. That's it. Dave pod ping is the answer. 696 00:42:43,890 --> 00:42:48,090 Because it pod ping although, looks like a centralized service 697 00:42:48,090 --> 00:42:51,030 because of the nature of the blockchain is not of course, 698 00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:54,510 we're gonna have central hubs that build and may die or May, 699 00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:59,040 you know, whatever can happen. But in essence, it continues to 700 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,640 work on the hive chain. I hope Brian of London, 701 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,610 Brian of Hi, Brian, find a vibe. 702 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:12,210 That could also be the mechanism for publishing comments back. or 703 00:43:12,210 --> 00:43:19,530 his or just saying, Here's his comments for for this good. Go 704 00:43:19,530 --> 00:43:25,050 to this value block. Do 705 00:43:29,010 --> 00:43:32,550 you mean, you mean in the you mean hot the hive? 706 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,270 I don't know. I'm just because pod pod Ping. I forget the 707 00:43:36,270 --> 00:43:40,080 backend of just saying pod ping is a decentralized service, 708 00:43:40,110 --> 00:43:42,810 although it's a centralized gateway. But we can use 709 00:43:43,110 --> 00:43:44,310 comments don't go there. 710 00:43:44,340 --> 00:43:47,760 No, not on comments. But But hey, here's where the comments 711 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,120 live this node send to this node read from this node, something 712 00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:52,650 like that. I'm not quite sure. Okay. 713 00:43:55,350 --> 00:43:59,820 You're saying that you published the live item. The lot the app 714 00:43:59,820 --> 00:44:03,540 sees it hooks into the stream, the live stream, your HLS or 715 00:44:03,540 --> 00:44:05,970 whatever. And it's boop boop, boop is pumping is pumping the 716 00:44:05,970 --> 00:44:10,950 stream out. But the pod ping that notified the app, the pod 717 00:44:10,950 --> 00:44:13,200 ping message that notified the app that the live stream had 718 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:17,910 started. also contained a pointer to where the comments 719 00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:23,130 should go. That is interesting. Yep. Yeah. 720 00:44:23,850 --> 00:44:26,070 Which is why we've been married for 11 years, darling. 721 00:44:27,870 --> 00:44:30,390 Yeah, now I don't know. Nobody built this place. 722 00:44:31,980 --> 00:44:35,760 Do not be Martin Martin. Martin. Stop, stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. 723 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,350 Stop. Stop. Stop. Nice. 724 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,210 He's painting is he's painting the master bedroom. 725 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,879 How it released is that Oh, okay. Well, good. I'm happy for 726 00:44:41,879 --> 00:44:45,149 him. I know. It's it's a multi month process, man. It was same 727 00:44:45,149 --> 00:44:47,219 for me. It was really hard to keep up with everything and 728 00:44:47,219 --> 00:44:51,899 everybody. So he has a kid now, right? 729 00:44:52,409 --> 00:44:53,519 No, No, I'm just kidding. 730 00:44:53,580 --> 00:44:57,780 No, he does. I think it's just isn't his fiance's child. I 731 00:44:57,780 --> 00:44:58,350 think so. 732 00:44:58,739 --> 00:45:01,859 Oh, I didn't know he had a kid. Congratulations, you think No, 733 00:45:01,890 --> 00:45:06,150 no, I think the kid is, is of Disney age. I don't know Martin 734 00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:09,870 I get a pod friend. Martin's like quick I turn this down. My 735 00:45:09,870 --> 00:45:11,610 new wife doesn't know about these kids. 736 00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:15,419 The old double wife 737 00:45:16,980 --> 00:45:18,630 I have heard about those Danes. 738 00:45:20,310 --> 00:45:21,480 That doesn't mean good. 739 00:45:22,679 --> 00:45:26,969 Oh, my goodness. Oh, just on the booster grams. And that was the 740 00:45:26,969 --> 00:45:32,159 final thing. But I just remembered. I think I know this 741 00:45:32,159 --> 00:45:37,019 was a thread for a moment there on podcast index dot social. But 742 00:45:37,079 --> 00:45:40,409 James was reading a booster gram amounts, which were after fees 743 00:45:40,409 --> 00:45:43,139 and distributions. And so you're not really getting the 744 00:45:43,139 --> 00:45:47,039 numerology of the of the boost? And I think he's getting it from 745 00:45:47,099 --> 00:45:50,909 Satoshi stream. So where's that? Or is it is it an app that is 746 00:45:50,909 --> 00:45:54,719 not sending the right information? Or should we even 747 00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,369 have a standardized document for this? 748 00:45:56,370 --> 00:46:00,270 I'm not sure we do. We do. Yeah, no, it's Yeah, that sister she's 749 00:46:00,270 --> 00:46:05,520 that stream needs to be hooked into the needs to be displaying 750 00:46:06,570 --> 00:46:12,630 the value in the TLV that is called value m set total. Yes. 751 00:46:12,990 --> 00:46:15,060 That you underscore him set underscore total because that's 752 00:46:15,060 --> 00:46:19,320 the pre that's that's the total that was sent before any fees or 753 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,060 anything right before it's been molested 754 00:46:21,690 --> 00:46:24,570 before the lightning network chomped on it like Pac Man. 755 00:46:28,350 --> 00:46:31,710 Yes, a good Pac Man. Huh. Walker Walker, Walker Walker. There's 756 00:46:31,710 --> 00:46:33,630 your booster. There's your booster Graham corner right 757 00:46:33,630 --> 00:46:33,930 there. 758 00:46:35,310 --> 00:46:36,900 No. All right. 759 00:46:37,799 --> 00:46:40,259 But I mean, yeah, that's it's in there. It's in there. 760 00:46:40,830 --> 00:46:43,890 So that's Toshi scream is not sending is just displaying the 761 00:46:43,890 --> 00:46:48,030 wrong information. We're not on information different than than 762 00:46:48,030 --> 00:46:48,690 I expected. 763 00:46:49,889 --> 00:46:51,959 With a complete lack of information, I'm going to go 764 00:46:51,959 --> 00:46:53,579 ahead and blame Satoshi string. Okay. 765 00:46:53,580 --> 00:46:56,730 Yeah. Blame those guys. 766 00:46:56,940 --> 00:47:01,590 Yeah. So I don't know if if it's not his problem, then we'll 767 00:47:01,620 --> 00:47:08,940 Yeah, we'll figure it out. The boost the AI was thinking about 768 00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,270 about the chapter Well, let me just do this. I need to correct 769 00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:18,510 something that I said on a previous episode because I i 770 00:47:18,780 --> 00:47:24,570 unintentionally upset the pod love guys. Oh. Because they we 771 00:47:24,570 --> 00:47:27,330 were talking about pod love chapters which are in which 772 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:27,630 which 773 00:47:27,659 --> 00:47:33,029 are which is in the Omni studio feed drawer. or sell some NBC 774 00:47:33,029 --> 00:47:35,909 podcast or something that we're talking Fox podcast? Yeah. 775 00:47:36,330 --> 00:47:43,140 Yeah. But and they, and he thought that I had just screwed 776 00:47:43,140 --> 00:47:46,500 that whole thing up about describing it in there was not 777 00:47:46,500 --> 00:47:50,970 intentional. I just wanted to break there. I mean, it is. He 778 00:47:50,970 --> 00:47:53,640 was upset initially, because I said it in past tense, like pod 779 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,360 love, pod love chapters was a thing that blah, blah, blah, 780 00:47:57,870 --> 00:48:00,690 that I didn't mean it that way. It's just, it's just language. 781 00:48:01,770 --> 00:48:05,610 But no pod love isn't published chapters are a spec, that is 782 00:48:05,610 --> 00:48:09,570 inactive use today in the feed. And it's just a different, it's 783 00:48:09,570 --> 00:48:12,300 just a different paradigm. And the only reason why we didn't 784 00:48:12,750 --> 00:48:15,810 was initially we were going to adopt the pod love chapter. So 785 00:48:15,810 --> 00:48:19,980 yes, I remember that. I remember that. That was the plan. But 786 00:48:19,980 --> 00:48:23,220 then, you know, two hosting companies are like, no, we're 787 00:48:23,220 --> 00:48:27,000 not doing that. Because they were concerned about feed size. 788 00:48:27,570 --> 00:48:29,130 And so then the natural 789 00:48:29,250 --> 00:48:34,350 because the chapters go in the RSS feed in the pod love format. 790 00:48:34,350 --> 00:48:34,860 Got it? 791 00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:39,810 Yeah. And if you have 100,000 feeds, you know, even one extra 792 00:48:39,810 --> 00:48:44,370 kilobyte per per feed can add up right up to distribution 793 00:48:44,370 --> 00:48:47,190 bandwidth. So we were I mean, it was just a no go. I mean, like, 794 00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:50,490 they just were like, no, we're not using that. And so, in that. 795 00:48:51,210 --> 00:48:53,220 So we're like, well, I'm gonna let's figure something else out. 796 00:48:53,220 --> 00:48:55,560 And so we came up with this other idea and I you know, I'm 797 00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:59,970 partial to the new idea anyway, but the the pod love chapter 798 00:48:59,970 --> 00:49:03,900 still work fine. The workaround for the pod love chapters was 799 00:49:05,010 --> 00:49:10,830 for feed size was that you use paging, the paging so that you, 800 00:49:11,010 --> 00:49:16,020 not all of your episodes are in a single or in the feed. So do 801 00:49:16,020 --> 00:49:18,270 you have a reference to another file 802 00:49:18,270 --> 00:49:23,070 for older episodes? Okay. Right, right. And then, which is fine, 803 00:49:23,070 --> 00:49:27,030 but nobody seems to want to implement that either. Because 804 00:49:27,030 --> 00:49:29,730 that's that specification has been around for a long time. And 805 00:49:29,730 --> 00:49:30,150 is there 806 00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:33,480 a way to Is there a way to embrace pod love and bring them 807 00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,240 into the into their own tag in the namespace? 808 00:49:36,780 --> 00:49:39,120 Now they've already they've already contributed a lot to the 809 00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:39,810 namespace, 810 00:49:39,870 --> 00:49:42,720 right but but have the actual pod love in the namespace 811 00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:45,030 itself? Or is that a problem? Because that requires everyone 812 00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:49,980 then to adopt? The pile of chapters? Yeah, 813 00:49:50,250 --> 00:49:52,860 yeah. I just don't want to reopen that box. I mean, it's 814 00:49:52,860 --> 00:49:53,490 just done. 815 00:49:53,790 --> 00:49:56,250 All right. Well, you meant no malice is what you're saying. He 816 00:49:56,250 --> 00:49:57,330 didn't mean to piss anybody. 817 00:49:57,330 --> 00:49:59,820 Yeah. And I just wanted to I wanted I didn't want to talk 818 00:49:59,820 --> 00:50:00,720 about I felt bad. 819 00:50:00,750 --> 00:50:05,010 It's not easy being a podcaster now is it is what it is is when 820 00:50:05,010 --> 00:50:05,820 you get hate mail. 821 00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:10,200 But that there that is a spec that's in active use and it's a 822 00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:15,660 great spec. And that's the other thing about podcasting. 2.0 is 823 00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:20,040 like, all we want is new features. It doesn't matter 824 00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,190 where they come from you just want cool and cool new features. 825 00:50:23,250 --> 00:50:27,510 Yeah, so yeah, there's there's cool stuff out there. Not all of 826 00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:28,830 it is stuff that we built here. 827 00:50:29,460 --> 00:50:30,900 No, certainly not. 828 00:50:31,770 --> 00:50:35,100 Anyway, that I wanted that as a as a public service and now 829 00:50:38,370 --> 00:50:42,450 Yeah, so you want to do you want to hear my? You want to hear my 830 00:50:42,450 --> 00:50:49,800 Dave Jackson ISO? Oh, yes, of course. What the heck is a 831 00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:56,520 Satoshi Oh, yes. What the heck is a Satoshi Wait, now this 832 00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,620 one's better. I don't know a thing about crypto. 833 00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:05,820 Okay. I don't know a thing about crypto. No thing about crypto 834 00:51:05,820 --> 00:51:06,270 y'all. 835 00:51:06,330 --> 00:51:07,410 Yeah, he's got such a good. 836 00:51:07,860 --> 00:51:10,380 Good, good end of show live show. They're 837 00:51:10,889 --> 00:51:14,639 doing well. Thanks some people? Yeah. Anything else you're 838 00:51:14,639 --> 00:51:15,029 talking about? 839 00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:19,199 Um, let me see. Did we miss anything? Do we wrap it all up 840 00:51:19,229 --> 00:51:23,069 on the on the basics because I think we do need to thank some 841 00:51:23,069 --> 00:51:26,939 people but also just briefly talk about some phase four. 842 00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:29,880 Yeah, we can talk about phase four. 843 00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:34,440 Yeah, well okay, this is a value for value project the whole 844 00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:38,010 project I'll read it again for those who missed it the podcast 845 00:51:38,010 --> 00:51:40,500 index is here to preserve protect and extend the open 846 00:51:40,500 --> 00:51:43,320 independent podcasting ecosystem. We do this by 847 00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,680 enabling developers to have access to open categorized index 848 00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,040 there will always be available for free for any use try new 849 00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,250 podcast app today and see how much better the experience can 850 00:51:53,250 --> 00:52:02,760 be. Screw coke This is new coke new podcast apps.com so all we 851 00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,910 asked for in this project is you contribute some value back if 852 00:52:05,910 --> 00:52:08,280 you find the invaluable that can be done with your time your 853 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,940 talent your treasure, when we need money to keep the servers 854 00:52:11,940 --> 00:52:15,690 running for everything for the node to be funded and you can do 855 00:52:15,690 --> 00:52:19,800 that with your rehearsed this with your Fiat fun coupons. Your 856 00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,850 cookbooks or with your satoshis we accept all of it go to 857 00:52:23,850 --> 00:52:27,360 podcast index.org and at the bottom is big red Donate button 858 00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:32,250 and let's thank some people today yeah for supporting the 859 00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:38,190 the hub of the movement on it or someone at some pub or something 860 00:52:38,190 --> 00:52:40,830 I'm not quite sure what we are a nucleus 861 00:52:42,300 --> 00:52:45,720 if I say if we're if this is flat earth and we're the North 862 00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:45,990 Pole 863 00:52:46,020 --> 00:52:49,890 yes we're the embryo Yes. The embryo pay for moving first baby 864 00:52:49,980 --> 00:52:50,700 firmament. 865 00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:59,370 So yeah. out so procedural question here. Yes. The age old 866 00:52:59,430 --> 00:53:03,510 like should I do these? In order? Disha do these donations 867 00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:08,550 biggest to least in order to get to honor the biggest givers up 868 00:53:08,550 --> 00:53:13,590 front? Or should I do them least to biggest in order to climax at 869 00:53:13,590 --> 00:53:15,300 the end with the biggest donor? 870 00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:20,760 Well, this is interesting. The proven model is his biggest to 871 00:53:21,390 --> 00:53:27,090 to the smallest. Okay. That is the proven model. You had made 872 00:53:27,090 --> 00:53:30,060 climax though. I was interested like this could be this could be 873 00:53:30,060 --> 00:53:31,920 a different way of doing it. 874 00:53:32,340 --> 00:53:34,950 Hmm. Well, I don't know. Let's let's stick with the proven 875 00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:36,810 model it will AB test. Okay. 876 00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:43,800 Okay, this is a everybody we're doing version a version a press 877 00:53:44,070 --> 00:53:47,730 a click click on the on the graphic and your chapter mark 878 00:53:47,730 --> 00:53:49,620 right now to hear version B. 879 00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:58,710 be fun coupons first. Yes. Dred Scott gave us $51. He says he's 880 00:53:58,710 --> 00:54:02,250 taken he's taken Sanford one sending him and then putting it 881 00:54:02,250 --> 00:54:03,330 back into the show. 882 00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:07,860 Well, you know what he's doing now. He's He's moonlighting on 883 00:54:07,860 --> 00:54:11,640 the on the Fun Fact Friday podcast with David David mitas. 884 00:54:11,700 --> 00:54:14,100 Oh, 885 00:54:14,370 --> 00:54:18,270 is in the value block over there? Yes, he is. And he's 886 00:54:18,510 --> 00:54:19,560 doing chapters. 887 00:54:20,130 --> 00:54:20,670 Yes. 888 00:54:22,050 --> 00:54:24,210 He's, he's gonna have a businessman. I'm telling you. 889 00:54:24,210 --> 00:54:26,910 He's gonna have a business. He's gonna get a bunch of a bunch of 890 00:54:26,910 --> 00:54:30,420 kids to listen to podcast, mark the chapters do the art. You'll 891 00:54:30,420 --> 00:54:33,720 have them chained in a basement and he's going to be rich. I 892 00:54:33,720 --> 00:54:35,040 tell you stinking rich. 893 00:54:36,780 --> 00:54:39,600 They don't like a bunch of teenagers. A bunch of teenagers 894 00:54:39,660 --> 00:54:42,330 staring at screens all day. I mean, that's just normal stuff. 895 00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:43,050 Exactly. 896 00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,800 They do need them and in fact, he's paying them with a with 897 00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,930 SATs per chapter 898 00:54:48,929 --> 00:54:55,049 they complete. Yet one set one set, but maybe maybe a kid This 899 00:54:55,049 --> 00:54:58,859 is for your future. They only have to do 100 million chapters 900 00:54:58,889 --> 00:55:00,899 a year and they I can make a living off 901 00:55:00,929 --> 00:55:03,479 now we're just talking about this stuff and bitcoins over 902 00:55:03,479 --> 00:55:06,329 48,000. I mean, we were influencing the price. 903 00:55:07,020 --> 00:55:11,100 We know what is there. Is there any indication of Why? Because 904 00:55:11,100 --> 00:55:13,920 that jumped up high today? I don't really understand why. 905 00:55:15,299 --> 00:55:18,539 No, I have no idea. Yeah, I could give you a million 906 00:55:18,539 --> 00:55:21,749 different news stories and say, hey, it's because of this, but I 907 00:55:21,749 --> 00:55:25,349 don't know. I think, yeah, just look at the curve. You know, 908 00:55:25,619 --> 00:55:29,669 it's got to go back up to 100,000 by the end of the year, 909 00:55:29,669 --> 00:55:32,009 and I think that's a fair assessment. You're seeing a lot 910 00:55:32,009 --> 00:55:36,059 of people agreeing with that. I don't know why. I just I this is 911 00:55:36,059 --> 00:55:38,309 what I see. And like, Oh, that sounds sounds reasonable. 912 00:55:39,299 --> 00:55:45,809 Dred Scott says, says, jingles go podcasting. Hmm. See, set. 913 00:55:46,409 --> 00:55:50,459 The set streamer note. Dred Scott showed number donation 914 00:55:50,459 --> 00:55:52,919 special shout out to the podcast. Fun Fact Friday with 915 00:55:52,919 --> 00:55:56,159 Lila and David not just fun facts, but also a fun 20. 916 00:55:56,159 --> 00:55:58,619 Listen. drib All right. 917 00:55:59,310 --> 00:56:02,190 I love the Fun fact, Friday show. 918 00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:04,170 I've never listened to it. 919 00:56:04,530 --> 00:56:08,280 Oh, you have to it's dad and his daughter. That's great. And but 920 00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,470 you know, but they did everything themselves. And they 921 00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:13,830 also i think i think they put the whole note together 922 00:56:13,830 --> 00:56:17,520 themselves together. They put their Oh really? Yeah. I believe 923 00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,820 they got a Raspberry Pi and put it all together. Yeah, this is 924 00:56:20,820 --> 00:56:23,700 this is really cool. It's like It's like a homeschooling 925 00:56:23,700 --> 00:56:25,170 project that is in school. 926 00:56:25,980 --> 00:56:26,670 Again. 927 00:56:27,389 --> 00:56:31,889 And for those for those developers and podcasters. Who 928 00:56:32,519 --> 00:56:36,239 you know are you know, you're in your 20s right now. This young 929 00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,729 lady is probably gonna wind up hiring you for something. 930 00:56:43,830 --> 00:56:45,120 There you go. Thanks, man. 931 00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:50,040 I just downloaded Fun Fact Friday into my fountain app. If 932 00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,710 that one a shot today, I have to rotate my apps all the time. 933 00:56:52,740 --> 00:56:53,430 This is a great, 934 00:56:53,459 --> 00:56:55,079 great, great podcast. 935 00:56:56,310 --> 00:57:01,530 Thank you. Let's see, Paul or skin. He took out a new 936 00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:05,550 automatic subscription monthly subscription for $11.14 I didn't 937 00:57:05,550 --> 00:57:06,210 see a note. 938 00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,879 Thank you. All curious about the number. 939 00:57:08,879 --> 00:57:16,769 I like it. Me too. Anonymous $11.11 says make this anonymous 940 00:57:16,769 --> 00:57:19,529 enjoy some fun coupons, podcast. 941 00:57:23,550 --> 00:57:27,450 Fun. I throw that in all the time now. And just like the most 942 00:57:27,450 --> 00:57:30,510 normal thing, and Tina is used to this crap for me, and people 943 00:57:32,820 --> 00:57:34,500 talk about you know, cutbacks 944 00:57:36,150 --> 00:57:37,320 with Max's voice 945 00:57:38,909 --> 00:57:42,059 I've started listening. It's interesting how max releases his 946 00:57:42,059 --> 00:57:46,949 episodes. So he has a full a full podcast but he releases it 947 00:57:46,949 --> 00:57:50,129 in parts first and then are bits of it I guess. And then the full 948 00:57:50,129 --> 00:57:52,379 thing is that how I've come to understand this. 949 00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,220 I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I just don't go back and listen to 950 00:57:56,220 --> 00:57:59,880 the old ones. I haven't listened to anything new. I listened to a 951 00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:00,450 couple of 952 00:58:01,050 --> 00:58:06,540 Yeah, so we'll have to live Episode 27 654321 and zero is 953 00:58:06,540 --> 00:58:11,760 then the full episode. Oh, okay. I don't know maybe it's I think 954 00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,250 I'm checking it out in pod burst it could just be me 955 00:58:14,250 --> 00:58:15,990 misunderstanding something I don't know. 956 00:58:16,590 --> 00:58:22,500 And see survive and survive from the mastodon podcast into index 957 00:58:22,500 --> 00:58:26,190 dot social. He gave us $5 a month subscription. Thank 958 00:58:26,190 --> 00:58:28,260 you very much that keeps the whole server running. 959 00:58:30,330 --> 00:58:34,770 See those are our fun coupons and we got some booster grams. 960 00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:39,210 Let's see. Oh, wow. Okay. Kiran from the mere mortals podcast 961 00:58:39,210 --> 00:58:40,890 I'm gonna be on that show by the way. 962 00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:44,490 Yes, I will. We both saw this this boost come in. They've gone 963 00:58:44,490 --> 00:58:48,240 nuts. They've been they've I mean, they're just boosting 964 00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,840 everybody everywhere. Yeah. big numbers. Big rollers 965 00:58:52,139 --> 00:58:54,269 100,000 SATs from Karen. 966 00:58:54,779 --> 00:58:58,499 I think that is a record booster gram. I think it's a record 967 00:58:58,499 --> 00:59:03,449 boost actually and holy crap it worked. Let's just stop it and 968 00:59:03,629 --> 00:59:07,079 talk Think about that for a second the Australian monetary 969 00:59:07,079 --> 00:59:11,309 police are going to go and find you cuz you've broken some sort 970 00:59:11,309 --> 00:59:11,789 of law 971 00:59:11,789 --> 00:59:15,599 or something by basing this on that. Just sit just send us 972 00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:19,829 gonna like swim across the channel in a in a in a hazmat 973 00:59:19,829 --> 00:59:22,709 suit and mess you up or something like you're messing 974 00:59:22,709 --> 00:59:29,039 everything up down under this is this is really see is this is 975 00:59:29,039 --> 00:59:32,099 really a message for everyone in the 2.0 community. I can't 976 00:59:32,099 --> 00:59:35,159 express how much fun I've had since I found out about this a 977 00:59:35,159 --> 00:59:38,309 mere one and a half months ago. I was feeling like I hit a glass 978 00:59:38,309 --> 00:59:40,709 ceiling in terms of the quality I could create for my shows but 979 00:59:40,709 --> 00:59:43,679 everything here as well and truly inspire me to work harder 980 00:59:43,679 --> 00:59:47,159 and produce the best podcasts I can your introduction into the 981 00:59:47,159 --> 00:59:50,369 Bitcoin and lightning world for me has already been more than 982 00:59:50,369 --> 00:59:55,229 it's worth its weight in Bitcoin. Well, see would 983 00:59:55,229 --> 00:59:57,869 appreciate a D fragmenting to celebrate my crossing of the 984 00:59:57,869 --> 01:00:01,979 $100 fun token threshold with resorting to the emasculating 985 01:00:01,979 --> 01:00:07,049 cookbooks and just PS would have boosted more if the limit was 986 01:00:07,049 --> 01:00:09,629 higher on pot Bran might be worth upping that limit Martin. 987 01:00:15,929 --> 01:00:17,999 That's almost 50 bucks man today. 988 01:00:18,389 --> 01:00:19,799 Yeah, I've got 989 01:00:19,979 --> 01:00:23,039 so but the funny thing is I don't think of it that way. I 990 01:00:23,039 --> 01:00:25,769 think 100,000 satoshis. Yeah. It's like 991 01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:27,240 it never even registers to me. I'm 992 01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:31,620 I know that's what that's what's so crazy. Like, I'm already I'm 993 01:00:31,620 --> 01:00:33,810 already living in that world somehow. 994 01:00:34,170 --> 01:00:37,950 I've got t shirts, and I'm behind on T shirts getting 995 01:00:37,950 --> 01:00:42,540 those. Okay, somehow air. Air has got the spreadsheet with T 996 01:00:42,540 --> 01:00:47,940 shirts in it. And they're all laid out nicely. It's like, name 997 01:00:47,970 --> 01:00:48,840 address. 998 01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,590 Oh, yeah. Eric. Eric nails that down. Yeah, 999 01:00:52,650 --> 01:00:56,550 it's beautiful. Yet somehow this is mystifying to me. And I can't 1000 01:00:56,550 --> 01:00:59,400 make I can't make myself actually figure out how to use 1001 01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:04,860 the spreadsheet. So I'm an idiot. I will. I will get these 1002 01:01:04,860 --> 01:01:07,740 t shirts. Over to Eric's s this will 1003 01:01:07,739 --> 01:01:09,509 you need to add entries? You mean? 1004 01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:13,800 Yeah. I'm like two weeks behind on that. So okay. Yeah. Um, 1005 01:01:14,219 --> 01:01:16,769 we've been we've been waiting over a decade for podcasting to 1006 01:01:16,769 --> 01:01:19,859 point out I'm sure you know, everyone will be able to say, 1007 01:01:19,859 --> 01:01:21,689 Hey, I was there, I got the T shirt. 1008 01:01:22,830 --> 01:01:29,010 I remember that. Eventually. 50,000 SATs from Auburn Citadel. 1009 01:01:30,210 --> 01:01:35,550 He says sup freaks. working my way to a T shirt. I appreciate. 1010 01:01:35,700 --> 01:01:38,250 I appreciate your work on freedom, enabling technology. 1011 01:01:38,250 --> 01:01:39,960 It's so important in this crazy world. 1012 01:01:40,409 --> 01:01:44,549 So what do we set as a Satoshi number for t shirts? It's $100 1013 01:01:44,549 --> 01:01:46,799 in Fiat fun coupons. 1014 01:01:47,460 --> 01:01:51,660 I don't know what what's, what's the limit? as well. I 1015 01:01:51,660 --> 01:01:54,750 mean, because the number will fluctuate. But I think that we 1016 01:01:54,780 --> 01:01:57,090 let's just start living in the sad world. Right? 1017 01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:00,240 Yeah, we need a hard limit. Like Yeah, irrespective of whatever 1018 01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:04,590 some somehow 250 sounds good, but a 200 would be okay, two and 1019 01:02:04,590 --> 01:02:11,520 1000 or 250. Let's do 200 200 Okay. 200 the T shirt committee 1020 01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:16,230 may adjust this number later. T shirt. Believe me it is not when 1021 01:02:16,230 --> 01:02:19,170 it goes down. But you know, we know you won't be won't be 1022 01:02:19,170 --> 01:02:22,950 setting that as 200,000 at some point. Here's a car. 1023 01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:25,590 The T shirt committee is Eric saying his message like yo 1024 01:02:25,590 --> 01:02:26,310 Phillip crab. 1025 01:02:28,830 --> 01:02:31,770 Eric Yo, yeah, you're right. You're right. You're right. We 1026 01:02:31,770 --> 01:02:37,140 need to be careful because he's Eric is figuring out accounting 1027 01:02:37,170 --> 01:02:40,560 tax all of this stuff, which, which is going to be something 1028 01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:43,920 we'll be able to share, provide, etc. But 1029 01:02:43,949 --> 01:02:46,619 nobody's gonna say it's gonna be like 250,000 SATs is the 1030 01:02:46,619 --> 01:02:53,069 shipping amount? Australia. Okay, okay. All right. Yes. 1031 01:02:53,969 --> 01:03:00,449 Yeah, great. Greg Thomas. Gave us 10,804 sets. He says Adam and 1032 01:03:00,449 --> 01:03:02,969 Dave, I've been a monthly pay pal donor for a while but now 1033 01:03:02,969 --> 01:03:06,239 I'll be cancelling that donation. booster Graham's still 1034 01:03:06,239 --> 01:03:09,749 donating just not in cookbooks. Go podcasting? Yes. Thank you 1035 01:03:09,749 --> 01:03:18,749 very much. We do there's so many of these. Good got on money, 1036 01:03:18,779 --> 01:03:21,989 but we're gonna have to have a cut off at some point. That's 1037 01:03:21,989 --> 01:03:22,319 just 1038 01:03:22,650 --> 01:03:25,140 my cut offs, though. So yeah, well, it's 1039 01:03:25,679 --> 01:03:28,439 okay. If as long as you don't mind five hour shows. 1040 01:03:28,740 --> 01:03:33,120 Yes. Michael Morrison. Michael. 1041 01:03:37,290 --> 01:03:41,250 Michael Morris. From the from the kingdom of Denmark. Michael 1042 01:03:41,250 --> 01:03:42,270 Morrison. 1043 01:03:42,300 --> 01:03:49,980 Yeah, the polygamist. Get he gave us 177 SATs and says 1044 01:03:49,980 --> 01:03:56,070 mandatory boost for mentioning me. Yes. All right. Boost. Aaron 1045 01:03:56,070 --> 01:04:01,350 at sell on nomics. He gave us 2000 2000 SAS he says five 1046 01:04:01,350 --> 01:04:06,960 words. Episode 50 was a boost to boot cocky and now 1047 01:04:07,410 --> 01:04:10,830 that's where I got it from. That's where I got the show. 1048 01:04:10,830 --> 01:04:15,150 Yes, yes. Oh, Bad. Bad Man. Bad Man. You influenced me? Not? 1049 01:04:15,540 --> 01:04:20,820 very negatively. I apologize profusely. I'm really working on 1050 01:04:20,820 --> 01:04:21,450 myself. 1051 01:04:23,010 --> 01:04:28,620 Brian of hive gave us 1000. And that's when he pointed out why 1052 01:04:28,620 --> 01:04:32,400 one of hives best apps is called hive key chain. Brian, I have to 1053 01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:33,540 admit I've no idea what you're talking about. 1054 01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:38,190 hive key chain. That's where you keep all of your all of your 1055 01:04:38,190 --> 01:04:39,150 keys, I guess. 1056 01:04:39,330 --> 01:04:43,320 But why is that one of the highest best apps? And I guess 1057 01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:44,790 it would be the most important 1058 01:04:44,790 --> 01:04:50,310 Well, now did you look at the timestamp, dude. By the way, 1059 01:04:50,340 --> 01:04:54,270 these I expect these emails to come in with a clip you know, 1060 01:04:54,270 --> 01:04:57,780 just click on the click on the link and it goes right to that 1061 01:04:57,780 --> 01:04:58,530 time code. 1062 01:05:00,719 --> 01:05:02,939 If you're going to expect that why not just expected to have an 1063 01:05:02,939 --> 01:05:04,529 mp3 of the clip attached to it 1064 01:05:06,719 --> 01:05:10,019 right I didn't want to take away your weekend but okay 1065 01:05:11,759 --> 01:05:12,929 i'm not saying I'm gonna build it. 1066 01:05:13,980 --> 01:05:14,550 Okay 1067 01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:22,020 that's it. That's called a two Shea c boost booster gram 1000 1068 01:05:22,020 --> 01:05:26,430 SATs from Chad Barrow sending my first booster gram for fountain 1069 01:05:26,430 --> 01:05:27,270 go podcast. 1070 01:05:27,300 --> 01:05:27,780 Yes 1071 01:05:32,219 --> 01:05:35,819 See Chad Barrow had another 1000 SATs Hey Adam are these booster 1072 01:05:35,819 --> 01:05:38,579 grams just a Trojan horse to get podcasters to add donation 1073 01:05:38,579 --> 01:05:39,899 sections to their podcast 1074 01:05:40,260 --> 01:05:44,730 know that it's a feature it's a feature to enhance the donation 1075 01:05:44,730 --> 01:05:49,500 segments that's the whole point. And and would you watch you 1076 01:05:49,500 --> 01:05:52,200 watch what happens when you start to do your booster gram 1077 01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:54,600 corner? This is this stuff 1078 01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:57,750 really really works it's not a Trojan horse we're coming at 1079 01:05:57,750 --> 01:05:58,020 full 1080 01:05:58,889 --> 01:06:00,209 no secrets here brah 1081 01:06:00,540 --> 01:06:07,260 yeah no secrets Steven bass it check it out Cinder ID is being 1082 01:06:07,260 --> 01:06:10,590 sent now and it's the dog session that it has been very 1083 01:06:10,590 --> 01:06:11,190 nice 1084 01:06:12,300 --> 01:06:19,080 nothing else about you know if these were if these were boosted 1085 01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:25,080 comments yeah you can you can treat like 100,000 can go to the 1086 01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:31,350 top No, I'm just kidding I'm just gamifying stuff you know 1087 01:06:31,350 --> 01:06:32,460 it's it's in my nature 1088 01:06:33,900 --> 01:06:38,190 yeah you can you can like like an auction almost you guys top 1089 01:06:38,190 --> 01:06:39,270 somebody or whatever. 1090 01:06:39,810 --> 01:06:40,410 Something 1091 01:06:40,409 --> 01:06:46,199 leaderboard leader leaderboard Yeah. Stuff like that. Oscar 1092 01:06:46,199 --> 01:06:49,619 Mary says you really have released a beast boosting as 1093 01:06:49,619 --> 01:06:57,449 addictive 1000 sets Oscar said it worked. I guess that must 1094 01:06:57,449 --> 01:07:00,689 have been his first boost because fountain Yes. And he 1095 01:07:00,689 --> 01:07:03,179 said don't worry about reading all my boosts now I'm going to 1096 01:07:03,179 --> 01:07:05,339 read every one of them Oscar by the way 1097 01:07:05,339 --> 01:07:10,379 for my honesty with the most recent one is I thought I got a 1098 01:07:10,409 --> 01:07:14,429 I was gonna look at is why I like so much. We have a daily a 1099 01:07:14,429 --> 01:07:17,459 daily thing. We look at how many transactions each app each app 1100 01:07:17,459 --> 01:07:21,509 is doing. I look I'm looking for the most recent one. I love 1101 01:07:21,509 --> 01:07:25,739 that. Okay, just keep going. I'm just okay, I'm just 1102 01:07:26,310 --> 01:07:30,090 I'm just Oscar had another AK gave us he gave us a boost for 1103 01:07:30,090 --> 01:07:33,060 mentioning fountain on the show. 1007 see 1104 01:07:33,060 --> 01:07:39,330 how that works. Here we go. Sphinx. This past was that day. 1105 01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:45,630 They had 661 transactions. Is this good? Yeah. This Oh, you've 1106 01:07:45,630 --> 01:07:47,430 already ordered it. Oh, nice. 1107 01:07:49,230 --> 01:07:52,110 Yeah, I don't think I don't think it's sorted properly 1108 01:07:52,110 --> 01:07:52,350 though. 1109 01:07:52,410 --> 01:07:55,260 Oh, it but it's sorted. It looks like it's sorted by amount of 1110 01:07:55,260 --> 01:07:57,000 transactions. Which is what 1111 01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:58,890 i what i was a coincidence. 1112 01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:05,490 Oh, really? swink 661, pod friend 339. breeze 351 Curio 1113 01:08:05,490 --> 01:08:11,580 caster 130 Fountain 112. Unknown 46 pod verse three. But they're 1114 01:08:11,580 --> 01:08:16,740 still in beta testing stuff. This is real. I really love 1115 01:08:16,740 --> 01:08:20,460 this. Because it's not necessarily equal to the amount 1116 01:08:20,460 --> 01:08:24,180 of satoshis that come through per transactions. The 1117 01:08:24,180 --> 01:08:25,140 transaction amount 1118 01:08:26,220 --> 01:08:28,410 going through the system is is really all right. 1119 01:08:28,530 --> 01:08:37,380 So fountain with 112 transactions. That today's 1120 01:08:37,410 --> 01:08:45,060 report just today, okay, was 48,699 SATs that came through 1121 01:08:45,060 --> 01:08:45,570 fountain. 1122 01:08:46,590 --> 01:08:50,790 There's 400,000 transactions in our node database. It's crazy. 1123 01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,360 And that since really since December, 1124 01:08:54,540 --> 01:08:57,270 when Mac said he was he said the only thing he's really worried 1125 01:08:57,270 --> 01:08:59,430 about is that we break the lightning network. He might not 1126 01:08:59,430 --> 01:09:02,790 be kidding. I mean, we're learning about compacting 1127 01:09:02,790 --> 01:09:05,790 databases already. Yeah, yeah. 1128 01:09:05,850 --> 01:09:11,580 I asked asked him. Tim I was like what went How often do you 1129 01:09:11,580 --> 01:09:14,370 compact your database and he said, I don't I'm scared. 1130 01:09:15,779 --> 01:09:18,719 Yeah, exactly. Well, voltage has a setting for it. 1131 01:09:19,530 --> 01:09:23,250 Yeah, yeah. Graham advocates that he was there he said 1132 01:09:23,250 --> 01:09:27,360 they're working on a document that shows how to attend at a 1133 01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:30,330 back your stuff up and tinned your database. So they're, 1134 01:09:30,330 --> 01:09:32,430 they're gonna they're gonna put that out as like a support 1135 01:09:32,430 --> 01:09:34,320 document and that'll be good for everybody. 1136 01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:36,240 Yeah, good. times. 1137 01:09:36,239 --> 01:09:42,629 Good. Crazy. Good note hygiene. I was gonna marry again. 77 SATs 1138 01:09:42,629 --> 01:09:45,029 he said it's time for the board meeting booster gram week. 1139 01:09:46,199 --> 01:09:47,849 Indeed. It is booster gram week. 1140 01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:52,320 Yeah, he says. So you get another one for 1000 SATs and he 1141 01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:58,560 says it does not stop. No, it does. It just keeps going. 1000 1142 01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:02,430 SATs from Kevin Bay. He says I sent a booster gram using Curio 1143 01:10:02,430 --> 01:10:04,680 caster, but it didn't seem to make it. Did this one get 1144 01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:06,960 through? Yes, it did. Yes. Who else 1145 01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,990 was was there a new app that was that just started sending value 1146 01:10:09,990 --> 01:10:10,620 for value? 1147 01:10:11,190 --> 01:10:13,980 You're thinking to cast ematic. And he's still testing. Okay. 1148 01:10:14,010 --> 01:10:14,250 All right. 1149 01:10:14,309 --> 01:10:18,599 He's in beta. All right. Well, and Who's Who is that? 1150 01:10:19,259 --> 01:10:20,909 As Franco? celerio. Okay, 1151 01:10:20,969 --> 01:10:23,009 Franco, let me know when you need when you're ready, because 1152 01:10:23,009 --> 01:10:24,809 I want to promote it on the no agenda. 1153 01:10:25,379 --> 01:10:27,659 Yeah. And he and that's a really good app. 1154 01:10:28,259 --> 01:10:31,619 I've seen it. Yeah, it's iOS only right? Yeah. No, I in fact, 1155 01:10:31,619 --> 01:10:33,539 I think I talked about it on the last show. 1156 01:10:34,199 --> 01:10:37,229 Okay. Yeah. Yeah, it's a really, it's a really good app on iOS. 1157 01:10:39,059 --> 01:10:44,519 See James kerlin 950 SATs, and he says really useful interview 1158 01:10:44,519 --> 01:10:47,609 and enjoying the show. Listen, listening in a non boost app. So 1159 01:10:47,609 --> 01:10:50,519 I popped over here to leave you this boost and pop brand. Thank 1160 01:10:50,519 --> 01:10:58,379 you. Thank you. Let's see. Okay, 950 SATs from sir. Bill. He said 1161 01:10:58,379 --> 01:10:59,399 don't read this on the air. 1162 01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:00,810 Okay. 1163 01:11:03,090 --> 01:11:07,830 Wish granted. Mary, Oscar. Mary gave us 777 SATs. He says 1164 01:11:07,830 --> 01:11:11,760 crinkle paper for me, baby. Oh, yeah, I'm 1165 01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:15,360 sorry. I talked over I talked over I talked over go do crinkle 1166 01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:15,690 again. 1167 01:11:16,140 --> 01:11:18,720 Okay. All right. Well, he's got to follow up with another seven, 1168 01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:26,310 seven. He says I do like this podcast. Here's your cue to 1169 01:11:26,310 --> 01:11:32,670 boost. You know, you want to there you 1170 01:11:32,670 --> 01:11:34,950 go anonymous. ASMR on demand. 1171 01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:40,710 Anonymous 500 sets in the messages. I'm sorry. You're in 1172 01:11:40,710 --> 01:11:45,180 PHP all the time to me to 1173 01:11:46,440 --> 01:11:48,720 so many of these. I want to hit reply to. 1174 01:11:49,170 --> 01:11:53,100 I know that's the thing that's missing. Yeah. Yeah. Another one 1175 01:11:53,100 --> 01:11:58,380 from anonymous. And it's 475 stats in the messages point. 1176 01:11:59,730 --> 01:12:01,950 Oh, wait, I have that one. Day. 1177 01:12:02,190 --> 01:12:05,760 Yeah. Oh, is that a jingle? Yeah, 1178 01:12:05,850 --> 01:12:11,070 it's a fan favorite. Our next president? Okay. 1179 01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:17,670 Let's see. 333 SATs from podcast junkies. Hey, john is Harry from 1180 01:12:17,670 --> 01:12:24,930 podcast junkies via fountain booze. And see bootstrap banded 1181 01:12:24,930 --> 01:12:28,950 that's Tim k from LNP. He sent us 100 sass and he just says 1182 01:12:28,950 --> 01:12:38,280 Holla Holla better is 95 cents from and the name of this person 1183 01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:42,840 is dirty message. And the message is a sequence of emojis 1184 01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:44,760 that I cannot describe on the air. Okay. 1185 01:12:45,930 --> 01:12:48,780 Well, we have to up our Saturday so we don't get offended by 1186 01:12:49,020 --> 01:12:50,670 those emojis in the future 1187 01:12:50,940 --> 01:12:52,980 yet and set that limit at 96 cents. 1188 01:12:52,980 --> 01:12:53,910 Yep, that's right. That'll 1189 01:12:53,940 --> 01:12:58,080 that'll show him. That's the end of booster grams and monthly 1190 01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:03,420 donors is. Let's see. Keith Gibson gave us $50 Thank you, 1191 01:13:03,420 --> 01:13:08,370 Keith. Thank you. Sir Alex gates. Is he a sir is on the 1192 01:13:08,490 --> 01:13:15,840 agenda. He is now. Okay $25 tim Hudgens? My buddy Tim. Good got 1193 01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:20,940 $25 Let's see. Paul Saltzman gave us $22.20 1194 01:13:21,090 --> 01:13:23,280 he that's his regular number. 1195 01:13:24,270 --> 01:13:28,380 I wish I knew. I guess it's just a double double snake. Yeah. 1196 01:13:29,460 --> 01:13:33,240 Yeah. He means it well, regardless, Jeremy Cavanaugh 1197 01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:38,550 gave us $10 doing gold he gave us $8 Jeremy guards gave us $5. 1198 01:13:38,550 --> 01:13:42,570 And Thomas Sullivan Jr. Gave us $5. And David would find give us 1199 01:13:42,570 --> 01:13:43,950 $3. That's 1200 01:13:43,980 --> 01:13:48,360 lovely. And we really appreciate all of the support that we've 1201 01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:53,640 been receiving the monetary support is key. In fact, we're 1202 01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:57,030 going to start adding some more things that will cost more 1203 01:13:57,030 --> 01:14:03,480 money. You know, we'll talk about it. But for now, I mean, 1204 01:14:03,480 --> 01:14:05,550 holy crap, this thing is running. We've got like a 1205 01:14:05,550 --> 01:14:10,410 perpetual motion machine. It just kind of hunkers ahead. You 1206 01:14:10,410 --> 01:14:13,260 know, the flywheel never stops. It's one of the most amazing 1207 01:14:13,260 --> 01:14:16,350 things. Thank you all so much for supporting it. And this is 1208 01:14:16,350 --> 01:14:19,350 the whole project podcast index.org podcast index dot 1209 01:14:19,350 --> 01:14:23,550 social, the GitHub, supporting the machines, we have, I think 1210 01:14:23,550 --> 01:14:28,680 20 servers running now. legal help we've, we've we've engaged 1211 01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:32,670 some lawyers, you know, like blow low $100. But for stuff, 1212 01:14:32,670 --> 01:14:35,280 we're just we're trying to make this all work and make it work 1213 01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:37,410 for everybody. And that includes people who are interested in 1214 01:14:37,410 --> 01:14:41,850 advertising. Don't be shy step up, y'all. But you can, that's 1215 01:14:41,850 --> 01:14:46,140 not our income. We are more interested in you thinking about 1216 01:14:46,140 --> 01:14:48,570 what kind of value you get from the whole project. Just turn 1217 01:14:48,570 --> 01:14:51,660 that into a number that's meaningful to you and go to 1218 01:14:51,660 --> 01:14:55,530 podcast index.org and send us your fun fiyat coupons on the 1219 01:14:55,530 --> 01:14:58,350 read donate Donate button, or you can go ahead and boost right 1220 01:14:58,350 --> 01:15:03,360 now to get a new podcast app, new podcast apps calm, have some 1221 01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:05,430 fun joined join the cool kids 1222 01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:10,050 and beyond a deal but a namespace because yes, I'd love 1223 01:15:10,050 --> 01:15:15,780 to use borago. I'd love to. So I think what I'm going to do over 1224 01:15:15,780 --> 01:15:19,890 the next week before the end of the month is to go ahead and 1225 01:15:19,890 --> 01:15:25,170 write everything up for the new tags as best I can, and then 1226 01:15:25,170 --> 01:15:27,210 we'll just start hashing on them. So what I think it is 1227 01:15:27,210 --> 01:15:35,280 right now, I think it'll be initially live. And medium. 1228 01:15:35,940 --> 01:15:39,120 Right, so so we can determine whether it's a video. 1229 01:15:40,170 --> 01:15:44,760 Yeah, what what format it takes. And, and I have something to say 1230 01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:52,920 about 10 seconds. And then this new one that just popped up. Is, 1231 01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:58,320 is the idea of pinning episodes. And so is where or what you call 1232 01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:02,130 like gateway episodes. And so you've I think you commented on 1233 01:16:02,130 --> 01:16:02,760 that issue. 1234 01:16:03,510 --> 01:16:06,570 Yes. The pin the pinned, pinned episodes. 1235 01:16:07,890 --> 01:16:10,860 Yeah. And I think that's a great idea. I think it's good enough 1236 01:16:10,860 --> 01:16:13,020 to try to get it in into phase four. 1237 01:16:13,050 --> 01:16:17,070 Let me see you. Yeah, well, let me um, I don't know, I'd have to 1238 01:16:17,070 --> 01:16:20,340 hear everything. But what I like about the idea is, especially 1239 01:16:20,340 --> 01:16:25,260 for long, longer lasting podcast, like the no agenda 1240 01:16:25,260 --> 01:16:30,390 show, but even even this podcast there, there could be episodes 1241 01:16:30,390 --> 01:16:33,330 that either Hey, you know, listen to this episode, which 1242 01:16:33,330 --> 01:16:35,340 and we did a couple of those on no agenda, we call them the 1243 01:16:35,340 --> 01:16:39,690 point five episodes. So we did one at 100.5 200.5. And I think 1244 01:16:39,900 --> 01:16:43,890 maybe three or 400.5. And we recap is kind of like an ion 1245 01:16:43,890 --> 01:16:47,550 where we we bring in things from the from the previous 100 point 1246 01:16:47,550 --> 01:16:51,300 something episode. And it really brings people up to speed on on 1247 01:16:51,300 --> 01:16:54,360 a lot of the basics. And I think a lot of podcasts are like that. 1248 01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:57,270 And there's people always suggest different things. And it 1249 01:16:57,270 --> 01:16:59,310 could or could just be, you know, like a telegram group. 1250 01:16:59,310 --> 01:17:02,100 Just here's an important episode that you need to make sure you 1251 01:17:02,100 --> 01:17:04,590 heard I mean, no matter what your reason is, I really like 1252 01:17:04,590 --> 01:17:05,580 the idea of pinning. 1253 01:17:06,330 --> 01:17:11,820 Yeah, yeah. And I mean, even for this show, it's hard to go back 1254 01:17:11,820 --> 01:17:14,970 and suggest now that somebody listened to the very first 1255 01:17:14,970 --> 01:17:18,150 episode, right? Because it has changed so much. 1256 01:17:18,390 --> 01:17:23,460 You know, a lot of this behavior is I've never understood it, but 1257 01:17:23,460 --> 01:17:28,020 it's rampant, people often will go back and start an entire 1258 01:17:28,020 --> 01:17:33,270 podcast from the beginning. And I can't explain what it is. But 1259 01:17:33,270 --> 01:17:36,390 it's every single podcast I've ever been involved in people 1260 01:17:36,390 --> 01:17:37,140 have done that. 1261 01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:41,760 That's interesting, because that I would call myself a neurotic 1262 01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:47,850 completest. So I'm the guy that will I can't just read like a 1263 01:17:47,850 --> 01:17:51,240 book, I've got to read the entire series, even if it's 50 1264 01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:56,580 books, you know. And I have that neuroses, but I don't have this. 1265 01:17:57,150 --> 01:18:00,210 But I don't have this urge to go back and listen to every episode 1266 01:18:00,210 --> 01:18:03,000 of a podcast. That's, that's like something that's that's a 1267 01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:06,750 different thing, I guess. I don't know. But I mean, if you 1268 01:18:06,750 --> 01:18:10,410 had the gateway episode idea, in place, you could just say, Okay, 1269 01:18:10,410 --> 01:18:15,510 this is a great onboard into our show at this, like at this 1270 01:18:15,510 --> 01:18:18,450 point. And it could it could be from like a year ago, but at 1271 01:18:18,450 --> 01:18:21,150 least it gives you like, this is the good, this is the best entry 1272 01:18:21,150 --> 01:18:25,260 point. Just kind of floats in the feet along with every other 1273 01:18:25,260 --> 01:18:26,520 one with all the current stuff. 1274 01:18:27,089 --> 01:18:32,129 It's critical that we get podcasters involved in these 1275 01:18:32,129 --> 01:18:35,279 types of discussions, because I'm really going off of what 1276 01:18:35,279 --> 01:18:39,539 I've learned from having podcast audiences for, you know, for 18 1277 01:18:39,539 --> 01:18:46,289 years, or whatever. There's, there's a whole bunch of things 1278 01:18:46,289 --> 01:18:49,019 we're missing as a group, because we just don't have a lot 1279 01:18:49,019 --> 01:18:54,059 of people who are in there are also podcasters. But it's just 1280 01:18:54,059 --> 01:18:57,239 so much stuff that is unexpected, like even just the 1281 01:18:57,239 --> 01:18:59,189 importance of you know, comments, which has been a big 1282 01:18:59,189 --> 01:19:02,969 one for us. That's we're going to learn things that we never 1283 01:19:02,969 --> 01:19:05,219 expected. But we need that we need kind of the feedback from 1284 01:19:05,219 --> 01:19:08,939 the podcasters. And it's kind of you know, not everyone's like, 1285 01:19:08,969 --> 01:19:12,089 Oh, yeah, I'll go on this GitHub thing that's intuitive for me, 1286 01:19:12,509 --> 01:19:14,369 because it's not strangely. 1287 01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:19,860 The other the other thing that the other tag that I'd like to 1288 01:19:19,860 --> 01:19:24,000 get through there is recommendations. And it's not 1289 01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:26,430 that a lot of people have been clamoring for this, but I think 1290 01:19:26,430 --> 01:19:30,630 that Benjamin Bellamy and his group has done a lot they've 1291 01:19:30,630 --> 01:19:33,570 done a lot of work on this is clearly something that they need 1292 01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:38,010 yes and want. Yep. And I think that is all that matters. So 1293 01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:44,220 once that thing gets into the spec, then it becomes a little 1294 01:19:44,220 --> 01:19:48,180 bit more visible to people in the industry, and they can look 1295 01:19:48,180 --> 01:19:51,780 at it and maybe they find out that they need it also. But it's 1296 01:19:51,780 --> 01:19:57,720 a very big, it's a very big tag. And so I think that people have 1297 01:19:57,720 --> 01:20:01,110 been a little nervous about it because of this And the scope of 1298 01:20:01,110 --> 01:20:01,320 it. 1299 01:20:01,590 --> 01:20:06,810 I mean, if the way I understood it when we had Benjamin on is, 1300 01:20:07,230 --> 01:20:11,250 it's something that the podcaster can control that much 1301 01:20:11,250 --> 01:20:17,460 like chapters, or could have an trusted third party manage that 1302 01:20:17,460 --> 01:20:21,480 for them. which actually gives a lot of advertising slash 1303 01:20:21,480 --> 01:20:23,760 marketing opportunities. People pay attention. 1304 01:20:24,330 --> 01:20:27,990 Yeah, that's exactly right. And to me, that sounds like a 1305 01:20:27,990 --> 01:20:29,070 fantastic idea. 1306 01:20:29,850 --> 01:20:33,210 I liked it. I liked it. Because I immediately wanted a system 1307 01:20:33,210 --> 01:20:36,600 that does a lot of that for me that I can you know, but I want 1308 01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:39,420 to have control over it. I don't know like chapters it is to me, 1309 01:20:39,420 --> 01:20:41,850 it's exactly like that. Oh, here's, you know, I want to 1310 01:20:41,850 --> 01:20:47,220 recommend podcasting. 2.0 fax DHL unplugged. But you know, 1311 01:20:47,220 --> 01:20:51,150 I'll probably pod land, orange pill, you know, I don't know how 1312 01:20:51,150 --> 01:20:55,170 many I can do. But I like it. I think that's that's a great way 1313 01:20:55,170 --> 01:20:59,070 to build out these networks. It's in the tribe model. That's 1314 01:20:59,070 --> 01:21:03,510 almost like, you know, here my affiliated tribes today. Yeah, 1315 01:21:03,540 --> 01:21:05,400 because I might want to scalp them tomorrow. 1316 01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:09,450 Look at look at it. I look at it like a little bit like 1317 01:21:09,450 --> 01:21:13,920 alternative enclosure. It's a thing that needs that should be 1318 01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:17,760 there because it's got a lot of care behind it. And it's got a 1319 01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:22,620 lot. And it doesn't matter that nobody's going to use it. On day 1320 01:21:22,620 --> 01:21:26,640 one, right? That doesn't matter. What What matters is that is 1321 01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:30,090 well thought out. And it's a good idea. And so it can be in 1322 01:21:30,090 --> 01:21:33,660 the spec is fine. There's things things can be in the spec that 1323 01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:37,320 that, that people don't just immediately jump on, because six 1324 01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:39,780 months from now, somebody may find it and be like, yeah, this 1325 01:21:39,780 --> 01:21:42,930 is this is good. So I'm on board with that now. 1326 01:21:43,770 --> 01:21:47,070 So I think it's good and very diplomatic to reach out to our 1327 01:21:47,070 --> 01:21:48,360 socialist friends that way. 1328 01:21:50,790 --> 01:21:55,560 I mean, they don't have much of you got to me, he got to give 1329 01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:56,430 them everything. 1330 01:21:56,460 --> 01:21:59,910 Now what? Well, we'll let him into the namespace interface for 1331 01:22:00,090 --> 01:22:04,470 but only if they have a vaccine passport. No, just kidding. Just 1332 01:22:04,470 --> 01:22:08,310 kidding. Benjamin Griffin, because it's messed up, man. The 1333 01:22:08,310 --> 01:22:09,450 whole world is going crazy. 1334 01:22:10,770 --> 01:22:13,770 The so the medium tag 1335 01:22:14,730 --> 01:22:16,830 that goes live basically, right? 1336 01:22:17,910 --> 01:22:22,590 He can't Yeah, I can is calm. And it is a way to signal to the 1337 01:22:22,590 --> 01:22:24,990 app. And I think we've talked about this worse way to signal 1338 01:22:24,990 --> 01:22:30,060 to the app. What type of content This is. Is it a video? Is it 1339 01:22:30,060 --> 01:22:33,720 meant? Is it a audio book? Is it a? Is it a music, an album of 1340 01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:39,480 music? Blah, blah, blah. So I've got already, I think I told you 1341 01:22:39,480 --> 01:22:42,780 a couple weeks ago, that my son is a bass player in a metal 1342 01:22:42,780 --> 01:22:49,560 band. Hmm. And it was going to release his album as a podcast. 1343 01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:52,680 Right? And I did that on the index. Oh, 1344 01:22:52,710 --> 01:22:54,180 you didn't pick me about that? 1345 01:22:54,480 --> 01:22:57,030 I did not. I was I'm surprising you on the show. 1346 01:22:57,179 --> 01:22:58,379 Oh, okay. 1347 01:22:59,130 --> 01:23:01,650 The name you can just search on it in the index or any of the 1348 01:23:01,770 --> 01:23:03,750 many other apps that use us for search 1349 01:23:03,809 --> 01:23:07,409 is Apple podcast, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcast 1350 01:23:07,409 --> 01:23:07,979 from? 1351 01:23:08,730 --> 01:23:11,490 Yes, yes. Wherever you get your, your 1352 01:23:11,489 --> 01:23:13,829 new podcast apps from wherever you 1353 01:23:13,830 --> 01:23:17,850 get your podcasting 2.0 apps, you can search for that it's 1354 01:23:17,850 --> 01:23:21,600 called the album is torque on that know the name of the band. 1355 01:23:22,050 --> 01:23:24,240 And I believe Don't ask me what this means. I got no idea. These 1356 01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:30,360 guys are teenagers. torque on 7004. co n and then just the 1357 01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:35,700 number seven. And it's like two words. Search in there. You'll 1358 01:23:35,700 --> 01:23:38,280 see the podcast and it's an 1359 01:23:39,030 --> 01:23:43,050 RCA NTRTO RC 1360 01:23:43,050 --> 01:23:43,740 o n 1361 01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:49,860 C o n space 707 v one one bro. 1362 01:23:50,730 --> 01:23:52,890 Yeah, but it's still sir is the word for the number two. 1363 01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:55,950 And its first track I have here as Supertramp 1364 01:23:57,030 --> 01:23:59,880 Yeah, that can. Yeah, I don't know how to order them in order 1365 01:23:59,880 --> 01:24:02,970 to mount this. It's weird, but I don't think they care what the 1366 01:24:02,970 --> 01:24:08,130 track order is. So that's the that's the album and it uses the 1367 01:24:08,130 --> 01:24:10,710 medium tag. Ah, 1368 01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:13,170 how did he How did he get the medium tag? 1369 01:24:13,770 --> 01:24:18,570 I hand coded the feed. Oh hell yeah. 1370 01:24:31,980 --> 01:24:34,830 That's my audition for the band. Can't wait to listen to that. I 1371 01:24:34,830 --> 01:24:35,730 love that. It's cool. 1372 01:24:35,730 --> 01:24:40,620 Yeah, it's a thrash metal band a boost boost to the way in the 1373 01:24:40,620 --> 01:24:43,590 way it's set up is there's four value blocks. I tried to make 1374 01:24:43,590 --> 01:24:43,890 this 1375 01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:47,370 bell my goodness I love this day. This is crazy. You're like 1376 01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:50,580 blade liner Dad, you're you're doing it with the thrash metal 1377 01:24:50,580 --> 01:24:51,150 kid love 1378 01:24:51,150 --> 01:24:53,910 it. Yeah. Each one of them the drummer, the bass player, the 1379 01:24:53,910 --> 01:24:58,200 guitar player, and the singer. They all each one of them has an 1380 01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:01,980 lm pay wallet. So They each have a split. And that's so cool, 1381 01:25:02,010 --> 01:25:04,980 first of all, but anyway, the main, the medium tag is in 1382 01:25:04,980 --> 01:25:07,170 there. And I thought this will be a good way for people to test 1383 01:25:07,170 --> 01:25:11,790 out against this. Because what should happen in this scenario, 1384 01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:19,320 the medium tag should say, is music. So what what the app 1385 01:25:20,190 --> 01:25:25,770 would be expected to do is display this in a way that makes 1386 01:25:25,770 --> 01:25:30,540 sense as a as a as if you were in Spotify or some music, 1387 01:25:30,570 --> 01:25:33,660 right, which it doesn't do yet. The app I use doesn't do it. 1388 01:25:33,660 --> 01:25:37,350 Obviously, it does. In fact, it only has doesn't have any show 1389 01:25:37,350 --> 01:25:40,950 notes. It just has a title, I think. 1390 01:25:42,330 --> 01:25:45,930 Yeah, yeah. So that is, anyway, that's a test podcast that 1391 01:25:45,930 --> 01:25:49,890 people can use to try to see what their app can do with this 1392 01:25:49,890 --> 01:25:52,050 sort of functionality. And 1393 01:25:53,490 --> 01:25:55,980 that's a great idea. That's a great idea. 1394 01:25:56,639 --> 01:25:58,799 And I'll try to put a couple of more of these test feeds in 1395 01:25:58,799 --> 01:26:02,789 there. Because I think that for us feature like this, a test 1396 01:26:03,089 --> 01:26:07,559 date is a is a great way to you need something to bounce against 1397 01:26:07,559 --> 01:26:07,799 and see. 1398 01:26:07,830 --> 01:26:10,650 Yeah, and get the kids working for the organization, you know, 1399 01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:13,230 useless otherwise, do something. 1400 01:26:13,710 --> 01:26:14,940 I mean, I'm keeping all the money. 1401 01:26:14,969 --> 01:26:19,019 Yeah, of course. Are you When are you in the split? Are you 1402 01:26:19,259 --> 01:26:21,119 foolishly just put the kids in there? Oh, 1403 01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:22,380 man, God, I'm an idiot. 1404 01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:26,880 I love that. Very cool. Very, very cool. 1405 01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:32,520 I think that's the, I think that that will get us started. And 1406 01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:35,280 then we can add, you know, I think we'll have room for you 1407 01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:38,670 know, one or two more tags, but okay, I feel good about that. So 1408 01:26:38,670 --> 01:26:42,540 far. If if somebody else has a, you know, on with that or thinks 1409 01:26:42,540 --> 01:26:43,290 of different, you know, 1410 01:26:43,679 --> 01:26:46,259 it's a kind of our schedule now is you're finishing up some 1411 01:26:46,259 --> 01:26:50,789 stuff with Eric for the accounting, and then we're going 1412 01:26:50,789 --> 01:26:53,189 to spruce up the onboarding. 1413 01:26:54,660 --> 01:26:57,750 Yeah, yeah, that's the plan because we've it's coming up but 1414 01:26:57,750 --> 01:27:00,510 it's getting close. There's getting further on into the end 1415 01:27:00,510 --> 01:27:03,030 of the year. So at some point we're gonna I mean, like the all 1416 01:27:03,030 --> 01:27:05,850 those stats, they have come in to the, to the pockets index 1417 01:27:05,850 --> 01:27:09,060 node. I mean, that's income so we got to declare and we got to 1418 01:27:09,060 --> 01:27:12,420 do all the right stuff by taxes so I had to sort of get Paul's 1419 01:27:12,450 --> 01:27:18,060 on development and then go and build this reporting for Eric so 1420 01:27:18,060 --> 01:27:22,020 that we can you know, be legally compliant and all those things 1421 01:27:22,020 --> 01:27:24,000 and when as soon as I'm done with that, I'll be back but I 1422 01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:27,570 did have time though. I did sandwich in the per episode 1423 01:27:27,570 --> 01:27:28,080 valuable. I 1424 01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:33,450 saw that I saw that I love it. And hopefully my new RSS curious 1425 01:27:33,570 --> 01:27:37,140 what did what did he call it was still Curio caster, right. Right 1426 01:27:37,140 --> 01:27:42,060 didn't have a different name for it. It is truly a curio caster. 1427 01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:45,930 So well. Hopefully, I'll get episode blocks in there soon 1428 01:27:45,930 --> 01:27:46,170 that 1429 01:27:46,950 --> 01:27:49,560 Gigi is a well known Bitcoin? Sure. 1430 01:27:50,910 --> 01:27:51,480 He 1431 01:27:52,770 --> 01:28:00,090 wrote a famous book in Bitcoin world called 21 lessons. And he 1432 01:28:00,810 --> 01:28:07,590 did all the sort of code review. And on the value block spec, 1433 01:28:07,830 --> 01:28:13,080 Ryan namespace right. And he he wrote up the perb that per 1434 01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:16,530 episode part of the spec he did, he really has helped me over the 1435 01:28:16,530 --> 01:28:20,820 last month and a half to revise that thing, because he really 1436 01:28:20,820 --> 01:28:21,780 wants this 1437 01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:25,620 what what were the main things that that he added or adjusted 1438 01:28:25,620 --> 01:28:25,980 that 1439 01:28:27,240 --> 01:28:32,730 it was just wording was really just wording and finding some 1440 01:28:32,730 --> 01:28:35,760 inconsistency with the way things were described. It was 1441 01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:36,960 really just a lot of 1442 01:28:38,580 --> 01:28:39,900 like the whole organization 1443 01:28:43,500 --> 01:28:49,770 restrict yourself to only the value space. But anyway, so he 1444 01:28:49,770 --> 01:28:53,310 cleaned all that up and made it its final now it's a it's a good 1445 01:28:53,310 --> 01:28:58,500 spec. And with that means is we can go ahead and put in we can 1446 01:28:58,500 --> 01:29:04,440 finalize the value block in phase four. Now as per episode 1447 01:29:04,530 --> 01:29:08,850 splits and it in the first feed and the only fate currently that 1448 01:29:08,850 --> 01:29:14,340 has per episode value blocks is closing the loop, which is the 1449 01:29:14,670 --> 01:29:18,450 put out by the company that he works for. And they have 1450 01:29:18,480 --> 01:29:22,320 actually their second to last episode they had Paul each way 1451 01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:25,830 from stack work on it. Oh, really? Oh, cool. Yeah. And each 1452 01:29:25,860 --> 01:29:30,300 each one of those episodes like that episode with Paul has Paul 1453 01:29:30,300 --> 01:29:30,780 in the split. 1454 01:29:32,550 --> 01:29:37,320 So this is really handing out with you. So this there's two 1455 01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:40,440 things that I think are the future. And you're that you and 1456 01:29:40,440 --> 01:29:45,300 I will be working really closely on is that the splits which, you 1457 01:29:45,300 --> 01:29:48,390 know, when you position it in a different light, it's really 1458 01:29:48,420 --> 01:29:53,490 digital royalties of the future. Direct from value returned 1459 01:29:53,490 --> 01:30:01,350 directly for value received and how It's gonna make such a deep 1460 01:30:01,350 --> 01:30:02,640 point about the second thing. 1461 01:30:03,750 --> 01:30:05,580 We're going long you're wearing down. 1462 01:30:06,300 --> 01:30:12,300 Now it was, it was the it was a split. Oh, and the medium tag? 1463 01:30:13,110 --> 01:30:17,160 Oh, yeah, the medium tag because I was only thinking in ways of 1464 01:30:17,310 --> 01:30:23,940 different types of medium. But music is so distinct and that 1465 01:30:23,940 --> 01:30:30,870 triggering, you know, hold on a second, that triggering a signal 1466 01:30:30,870 --> 01:30:34,890 to an app that the app knows Hold on a second. This is a 1467 01:30:34,890 --> 01:30:39,150 piece of music. And I can change the way I'm displaying 1468 01:30:39,150 --> 01:30:42,060 information or certain information would be relevant or 1469 01:30:42,060 --> 01:30:47,340 not. I can actually change the interface to this. I say, suck 1470 01:30:47,340 --> 01:30:56,670 it Spotify. This, do you realize how revolutionary that can be? 1471 01:30:56,700 --> 01:30:58,560 This is one of the most important episodes we've ever 1472 01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:00,270 done. We've invented everything, 1473 01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:03,930 invented everything. a tidal wave, 1474 01:31:05,100 --> 01:31:10,230 including Firmin first Flat Earth, yes. Good to go. You feel 1475 01:31:10,230 --> 01:31:11,280 me though, I mean, how important 1476 01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:17,250 that is 100%. But the first thing I think of is Random 1477 01:31:17,250 --> 01:31:22,980 Access Memories that that album by Daft Punk. So that album has 1478 01:31:24,180 --> 01:31:28,560 quite a few tracks. Maybe 75% of the tracks have a guest artists 1479 01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:28,650 Oh, 1480 01:31:28,650 --> 01:31:32,610 yeah. There was lawsuits over over that album. Oh, really? Oh, 1481 01:31:32,610 --> 01:31:36,720 my goodness. It's like all kinds of lawsuits because it had so 1482 01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:39,450 many people attributed to it. And still there were samples 1483 01:31:39,450 --> 01:31:43,140 that that were left out. And as we say in the music business, 1484 01:31:43,170 --> 01:31:47,550 when you have a hit you get the writ. Oh, yeah, people just sue 1485 01:31:47,550 --> 01:31:51,060 you. Hey, that sounds like my song man. Vanilla Ice come here. 1486 01:31:51,450 --> 01:31:58,170 Yeah. That see, so that album, just take simplifying it down to 1487 01:31:59,100 --> 01:32:03,480 it was death punk. And one in one guest artist on this on this 1488 01:32:03,480 --> 01:32:05,550 track. There's your splits. 1489 01:32:05,910 --> 01:32:06,630 Exactly. 1490 01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:09,899 And then they're getting royalties in perpetuity from 1491 01:32:09,899 --> 01:32:10,409 every 1492 01:32:10,830 --> 01:32:13,350 every single time that yeah, that episode is listen to 1493 01:32:13,350 --> 01:32:18,870 exactly the right boom. But I mean, I just don't i don't want 1494 01:32:18,870 --> 01:32:23,160 to push ahead. But when you get Oh, my god that is so was it. 1495 01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:26,790 Ask gates who's been pushing for the medium tag? Yeah, yeah. 1496 01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:29,970 Okay. Documenting, documenting. 1497 01:32:31,470 --> 01:32:34,530 Our doing you're doing a good job on this kind of like, this 1498 01:32:34,530 --> 01:32:37,890 morning. I have to document this a medium tag. 1499 01:32:38,070 --> 01:32:42,660 Did he come up with it? Good. We call that inventor. 1500 01:32:43,710 --> 01:32:44,220 inventor. 1501 01:32:45,540 --> 01:32:47,730 You get absolutely nothing with it. Except least they don't 1502 01:32:47,730 --> 01:32:51,510 misquote you 20 years from now or you get screwed up. That's 1503 01:32:51,510 --> 01:32:59,100 the thing that I hated the most. No, excuse me. Stop smoking. So 1504 01:32:59,100 --> 01:33:00,060 it's all coming out now. 1505 01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:03,330 Those two things is beautiful. 1506 01:33:03,930 --> 01:33:07,680 Yeah, because you know, that's where we get into we can finally 1507 01:33:07,710 --> 01:33:12,360 do more call justice with a documentary just so we could 1508 01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:15,900 tell the app Hey, display this may be in a 16 by nine or 1509 01:33:16,170 --> 01:33:19,200 embiggen the window or anything like that, you know the way you 1510 01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:23,130 might expect the documentary to run which would mean probably 1511 01:33:23,310 --> 01:33:26,190 you know default with the with chapters I don't know I mean, 1512 01:33:26,190 --> 01:33:30,000 there's I I'm just shooting from the hip now but and then music 1513 01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:34,980 you know, categorize it by or sorted in this particular 1514 01:33:34,980 --> 01:33:35,640 fashion. 1515 01:33:36,899 --> 01:33:42,599 You know, as hell my god that is so cool. Yeah, you build you 1516 01:33:43,019 --> 01:33:45,389 build the you're an app base layer, 1517 01:33:45,420 --> 01:33:50,820 and then you can do book and then audio book PDF. All of a 1518 01:33:50,820 --> 01:33:53,790 sudden, your app is showing a PDF with a great interface to 1519 01:33:54,210 --> 01:33:56,430 browse through a book or audio book. 1520 01:33:57,450 --> 01:34:00,930 You what we're doing now is building the base layer for 1521 01:34:00,930 --> 01:34:02,070 what's coming next. 1522 01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:06,180 Which is they have no idea what's coming next. 1523 01:34:07,080 --> 01:34:08,190 Which is bored. 1524 01:34:08,279 --> 01:34:11,759 what is coming next cannot be stopped this is this is a q&a 1525 01:34:11,849 --> 01:34:12,209 thing. 1526 01:34:13,350 --> 01:34:14,940 That was that a phrase from Cubana? 1527 01:34:14,970 --> 01:34:23,940 Yeah it's like WIC and CSC Oh yeah, I know it's like yeah 1528 01:34:23,940 --> 01:34:27,720 where we go one we go all but it's now what is coming cannot 1529 01:34:27,720 --> 01:34:31,590 be stopped and that's that's true. I believe now with 1530 01:34:31,590 --> 01:34:36,510 everything I'm seeing the momentum cannot be stopped Apple 1531 01:34:36,510 --> 01:34:40,560 is to be ignored at this point. The listeners our listeners are 1532 01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:44,430 checking out other apps they're not standing for this and not 1533 01:34:44,430 --> 01:34:46,530 standing for hours of delay 1534 01:34:47,850 --> 01:34:50,550 with ISO infamous information war 1535 01:34:52,710 --> 01:34:58,170 we are in an information war. I want to cut that down. So the 1536 01:34:58,170 --> 01:35:00,660 this lesson let's Have a gap. 1537 01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:08,520 This this is from like Australia news. This thing is, I'm in love 1538 01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:11,670 with Australian news. What whatever I have no idea what 1539 01:35:11,670 --> 01:35:13,530 they're talking about or whatever all this stuff is going 1540 01:35:13,530 --> 01:35:19,740 on locally. But it's it's like incredible. The guy has this 1541 01:35:20,190 --> 01:35:27,570 amazing voice and then they read headlines and tweets in other 1542 01:35:27,570 --> 01:35:32,520 amazing voices like so there's a clip Australia reading headlines 1543 01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:33,090 play that one 1544 01:35:33,990 --> 01:35:36,990 is this where do you watch this on YouTube? 1545 01:35:37,500 --> 01:35:40,500 yes some YouTube video think James link to it but I can't I 1546 01:35:40,500 --> 01:35:42,210 can't stop I watched like three or four of them. 1547 01:35:43,290 --> 01:35:46,110 last second I boosted a little bit here. Multiple Greyhound 1548 01:35:46,110 --> 01:35:49,230 track upgrades renew focus on animal welfare. 1549 01:35:50,790 --> 01:35:52,950 It's like they that was 1550 01:35:52,950 --> 01:35:56,400 about great. That was a word Greyhound dog track racing. 1551 01:35:56,790 --> 01:36:00,660 Yeah. They're like saying a new story. It's I think it's one of 1552 01:36:00,660 --> 01:36:03,510 these shows that like analyzes the news. Of course, it's the 1553 01:36:03,510 --> 01:36:08,040 journalism. Yeah. So then they they show that the tweet, and 1554 01:36:08,040 --> 01:36:12,390 they read it in these super dramatic voices. And like I so 1555 01:36:12,390 --> 01:36:14,580 hiding the truth. I do though. 1556 01:36:18,660 --> 01:36:21,210 The government and the media are hiding the truth. 1557 01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:26,280 Like there's a there's like a million of these. I just had to 1558 01:36:26,280 --> 01:36:28,620 make myself stop. Oh, no. Yes. 1559 01:36:30,689 --> 01:36:34,019 Yeah, well, I get different Australia news and none of it's 1560 01:36:34,019 --> 01:36:38,669 good. They just got another six weeks of restrictions and 1561 01:36:38,969 --> 01:36:42,239 sellers that had in Sydney, Sydney. Yeah. New South Wales. 1562 01:36:42,239 --> 01:36:48,089 Yeah. Man. Yeah. Wow, this the zero COVID policy is a tough nut 1563 01:36:48,089 --> 01:36:49,229 to crack. Yeah. 1564 01:36:50,009 --> 01:36:52,199 Yeah, man. I feel sorry for those guys. We know a lot of 1565 01:36:52,199 --> 01:36:53,129 people in Australia. 1566 01:36:53,460 --> 01:36:54,570 Hell yeah. 1567 01:36:55,200 --> 01:36:58,320 Oh, yeah. I feel I feel sorry that they sit there. Can't get 1568 01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:03,720 out. And go visit the rest of the world. And anyway, you got 1569 01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:04,170 anything else? 1570 01:37:04,740 --> 01:37:07,530 No, I think that's pretty we've we've done a good job together. 1571 01:37:08,070 --> 01:37:11,730 So next week, we're still trying to figure it out. I'm going to 1572 01:37:11,730 --> 01:37:13,950 the Netherlands will be the first time I've seen my daughter 1573 01:37:13,950 --> 01:37:17,550 in 18 months. I'm really excited about that. Her birthday is on 1574 01:37:17,550 --> 01:37:21,540 the 27th. But that is Friday. So we're gonna see we're gonna 1575 01:37:21,540 --> 01:37:24,840 figure something out. But we might have to skip one board 1576 01:37:24,840 --> 01:37:28,110 meeting. And then after that, we got to cool a couple of cool 1577 01:37:28,110 --> 01:37:28,980 guests coming up. 1578 01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:32,700 Yeah, we've got do we want to say or just leave this? Leave it 1579 01:37:32,700 --> 01:37:33,600 as a surprise. 1580 01:37:33,899 --> 01:37:37,019 Okay. Yeah. So they'll see it in the minutes from this meeting. 1581 01:37:38,610 --> 01:37:39,570 My lips are sealed. 1582 01:37:40,259 --> 01:37:41,579 Alright, Dave, have a great weekend, man. 1583 01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:42,690 Me too. 1584 01:37:42,749 --> 01:37:45,239 Okay. All right, everybody. Thank you so much for attending 1585 01:37:45,239 --> 01:37:48,899 the board meeting podcasting. 2.0 will be here next week or 1586 01:37:48,899 --> 01:37:51,509 the week after you're all welcome. See you then take care. 1587 01:38:07,649 --> 01:38:11,549 You have been listening to podcasting. 2.0 visit 1588 01:38:11,549 --> 01:38:15,869 podcast.com for more information. I don't know a 1589 01:38:15,869 --> 01:38:18,059 thing about crypto podcast.