1 00:00:00,630 --> 00:00:05,820 podcasting 2.0 for August 6 2021, Episode 49 we got boots 2 00:00:05,820 --> 00:00:07,020 on the ground. 3 00:00:09,719 --> 00:00:14,489 Yeah, Friday once again, progress never stops always 4 00:00:14,489 --> 00:00:15,449 rocking forward. 5 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:20,280 Welcome to the board meeting of podcasting 2.0 everything going 6 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:25,110 on in podcast index.org podcast index dot social. We got another 7 00:00:25,110 --> 00:00:27,420 good one for you. I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of Hill 8 00:00:27,420 --> 00:00:31,680 Country, Texas and in Nashville, Tennessee, in true live music 9 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,110 capital of the world. My friend on the other end, ladies and 10 00:00:34,110 --> 00:00:36,630 gentlemen, Mr. J. Jones. 11 00:00:38,730 --> 00:00:42,150 I figured out we did this whole thing wrong. We did a whole 12 00:00:42,810 --> 00:00:46,290 podcast index the LLC, like everything is wrong. What are we 13 00:00:46,290 --> 00:00:51,300 done that we screwed the template up? The clearly the 14 00:00:51,300 --> 00:00:55,830 right way to, to introduce your business into podcasting is to 15 00:00:55,830 --> 00:01:01,020 come in, survey the landscape. Take a name that already exists. 16 00:01:03,180 --> 00:01:07,050 We should have called ourselves blueberry back from the very 17 00:01:07,050 --> 00:01:08,700 beginning. All right. 18 00:01:09,780 --> 00:01:12,870 We just went in we make a port and then we and we know we 19 00:01:12,870 --> 00:01:15,570 should have called her says Lipson name, I should have 20 00:01:15,630 --> 00:01:19,110 claimed that and then we should attach podcasting 2.0 to it and 21 00:01:19,110 --> 00:01:22,050 then denigrated the rest of the industry and then expect 22 00:01:22,050 --> 00:01:24,180 everybody to love us. All right. That's our show, everybody. 23 00:01:24,180 --> 00:01:28,260 Thanks. That's Dave sitting there in Nashville, Tennessee 24 00:01:28,260 --> 00:01:29,400 podcast movement. 25 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,660 Oh, my goodness, I cannot wait to hear what's going on. You're 26 00:01:33,660 --> 00:01:38,310 in. You're in a hotel room right now. And I might as well bring, 27 00:01:38,610 --> 00:01:41,490 bring the other guy in who's sitting here right. I'm gassy 28 00:01:41,490 --> 00:01:45,990 and right there at the at the table. podcasting advocate and 29 00:01:45,990 --> 00:01:49,260 educator award winning host of the audacity to podcast creator 30 00:01:49,260 --> 00:01:52,920 of my podcast reviews, curator of podcast industry insights, 31 00:01:53,010 --> 00:01:58,290 ladies and gentlemen, Daniel J. Lewis. It is a pleasure to talk 32 00:01:58,290 --> 00:02:01,740 with you guys. And I came with my own podcast intro tear. So 33 00:02:01,740 --> 00:02:02,760 can I do this? Yeah. 34 00:02:04,170 --> 00:02:07,800 The only guy in podcasting who knows Adam Curry as the father 35 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,220 of podcasting, and not some guy with some kind of hair from some 36 00:02:11,220 --> 00:02:14,430 kind of music thing on TV. It's Daniel J. Lewis. And 37 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,140 it's like a foul Anna Anna when at the same time somehow. So now 38 00:02:22,170 --> 00:02:24,540 this is really interesting to have him go because Dave, you 39 00:02:24,540 --> 00:02:27,540 messaged me. So yeah, I got Daniel J. Lewis on like, okay, 40 00:02:27,540 --> 00:02:30,630 so they got drunk in a bar. No doubt something happened. How 41 00:02:30,630 --> 00:02:34,290 did how did you two guys wind up together? This is this is good. 42 00:02:35,670 --> 00:02:38,220 Yeah, well, I've wanted to talk with you guys on the show for a 43 00:02:38,220 --> 00:02:41,730 while and a big, big, big advocate for podcasting. 2.0. In 44 00:02:41,730 --> 00:02:43,920 fact, I've gotten to some of the vendors here at podcast 45 00:02:43,920 --> 00:02:47,820 movement. Before Dave did, and I said to them, I'm gonna stick 46 00:02:47,820 --> 00:02:50,490 Dave Jones on you because you need to hear more about how to 47 00:02:50,490 --> 00:02:52,770 incorporate some of these features and why you need to 48 00:02:52,890 --> 00:02:56,730 Yeah, I get it. I get a stream of text from, from Daniel like, 49 00:02:56,850 --> 00:02:59,580 Alright, you need to go talk to this guy. Just talk to him. And 50 00:02:59,580 --> 00:03:02,280 then like, you know, like three hours later, okay, now you need 51 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,390 to talk to this guy. Cool, man. It's like, he's the. He's the 52 00:03:06,390 --> 00:03:09,030 guy that goes to and tells the soil before I get there. 53 00:03:10,500 --> 00:03:13,020 This is excellent. Because I'm not there. 54 00:03:14,190 --> 00:03:17,490 That has a whole bunch of reasons. One is I was tired. 55 00:03:18,570 --> 00:03:22,320 Like, I got to do Thursday show and Friday show is like this. 56 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:26,490 It's a weird middle of the week show, which I think is odd. But 57 00:03:26,490 --> 00:03:28,860 it probably I don't know why but it worked out. 58 00:03:30,270 --> 00:03:35,550 So have you seen the keynotes when you alluded to the the Mark 59 00:03:35,550 --> 00:03:40,980 Cuban firesides thing chat? Did you see that? Did you see a 60 00:03:40,980 --> 00:03:44,220 keynote tell me? I mean, I've only read a little bit about it, 61 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:48,720 that it was that you'd referred to podcasting 1.0 and all kinds 62 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:49,410 of interesting. 63 00:03:50,910 --> 00:03:54,930 quotes. I avoided it avoided it out of protest of protest. Yeah, 64 00:03:54,930 --> 00:03:58,650 solidarity with Dan Dan banje. course Of course. Yeah. But 65 00:03:58,650 --> 00:04:03,810 Daniel saw it, and he can give a full review. Yeah. So I'm not 66 00:04:03,810 --> 00:04:06,900 sure if podcast movement knew what to expect from Mark Cuban. 67 00:04:06,900 --> 00:04:09,000 And we've seen this kind of thing happen before with New 68 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,480 Media Expo and stuff where they think a keynote speaker is going 69 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,670 to present one thing and they end up presenting something 70 00:04:14,670 --> 00:04:17,670 else. So I don't know if podcast movement knew that keynote would 71 00:04:17,670 --> 00:04:20,220 be basically one giant commercial for fireside or 72 00:04:20,220 --> 00:04:26,340 kidding me. Did you know that was? I mean, does anyone watch 73 00:04:26,340 --> 00:04:29,460 Shark Tank? Of course, this is the whole thing was gonna be a 74 00:04:29,460 --> 00:04:30,090 pitch. 75 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:35,850 Yeah. And it was and throughout it, you would have been so upset 76 00:04:35,850 --> 00:04:38,790 if you were here. Throughout it. He was saying that podcasting 77 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:43,710 has not changed since it started at all. And he said things like 78 00:04:43,740 --> 00:04:46,710 there's no way you can know information about your audience, 79 00:04:46,860 --> 00:04:50,040 and even ask the audience how many of you are happy with the 80 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,650 amount of data that you get about your audience and I threw 81 00:04:52,650 --> 00:04:56,280 my hand way up. And I Kris krumitz I was from pod fest was 82 00:04:56,280 --> 00:04:58,710 passing by and he said you should stand up and shout which 83 00:04:58,740 --> 00:04:59,970 I should have said 84 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,520 I didn't but no one else raised their hand. I just thought What 85 00:05:02,550 --> 00:05:06,360 what? Are you guys wanting to spy on your audience? What do 86 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:10,020 you want from your audience? But then that's where fireside is 87 00:05:10,020 --> 00:05:12,870 apparently that way and we're talking about not Dan Benjamin's 88 00:05:12,870 --> 00:05:15,450 fireside. But so what it what is it? Exactly? 89 00:05:16,470 --> 00:05:20,400 Because, okay, what is it? Well, how does it work? And how is it 90 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,000 connected to podcasting other than you can publish whatever it 91 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,370 is through libsyn? I mean, that's, that's what I've heard. 92 00:05:26,370 --> 00:05:32,730 So what exactly is it? It's it's really clubhouse with a 1990s 93 00:05:32,820 --> 00:05:37,020 interface. The interface is really bad and you open it up, 94 00:05:37,170 --> 00:05:40,410 you can't see what people are talking about. You can only see 95 00:05:40,410 --> 00:05:43,140 the pictures of the people who are talking or hosting room. 96 00:05:43,140 --> 00:05:46,170 Right. Okay, so it's a it's a bad clubhouse, which didn't work 97 00:05:46,170 --> 00:05:49,560 for podcasting. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And apparently this is 98 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,470 going to be the way to revolutionize podcasting. I'm 99 00:05:52,470 --> 00:05:55,980 glad he never said podcasting to point out he did say podcasting 100 00:05:55,980 --> 00:06:02,670 1.03 times, but never 2.0 I well. Okay, so, first of all, I 101 00:06:02,670 --> 00:06:06,570 think he's kind of right, podcasting hadn't changed. I'm 102 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,660 just because he is not aware of what we're doing doesn't mean 103 00:06:09,660 --> 00:06:13,950 that, you know, he, he can be ignorant. So it hasn't changed. 104 00:06:13,980 --> 00:06:17,550 We've only started changing in in less than a year. 105 00:06:19,290 --> 00:06:24,150 And, you know, I'm sure that his whole ploy must have been some 106 00:06:24,150 --> 00:06:27,690 kind of monetization scheme. Because otherwise, I mean, the 107 00:06:27,750 --> 00:06:32,070 the quote I read was podcasting. 1.0 the only way to make money 108 00:06:32,070 --> 00:06:33,780 is to lie, which I think is very funny. 109 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,800 I think it's kind of a good quote. Because, yeah, statistics 110 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:42,690 are very iffy in my book. So what what's the what's the money 111 00:06:42,690 --> 00:06:45,330 thing that he was bringing to the table? Yeah. How does he 112 00:06:45,330 --> 00:06:48,330 make money? Because I never heard that part. What's the 113 00:06:48,330 --> 00:06:52,560 monetization strategy? I think it's to be able to hold on Stop. 114 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,730 Stop. Tip, Dave. Dave, did you just say, Did I hear out of your 115 00:06:56,730 --> 00:07:02,040 mouth come the words? What's the monetization strategy? Yeah, 116 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,530 because you got to get get him out of there. Get him out of 117 00:07:04,530 --> 00:07:05,310 Nashville. 118 00:07:07,110 --> 00:07:10,920 No, no, this is this is the wet No, I'm talking. I'm embodying a 119 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:16,650 douche. And talking and talking as if I'm on the stage 120 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,550 presenting whatever this thing is. Okay. Surely he said. He 121 00:07:20,550 --> 00:07:25,680 said, here's the monetization strategy. Yes. Okay. Tips. I 122 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,680 think that's their idea. And it seems like they think you're 123 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:32,970 going to bring your entire audience to listen live through 124 00:07:32,970 --> 00:07:36,540 fireside. And then there's some button that you can press 125 00:07:36,540 --> 00:07:39,360 afterwards, publish your fireside recording to your 126 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,150 Lipson feed, and probably eventually other providers as 127 00:07:42,150 --> 00:07:45,270 well. But that's what turns it into a podcast, this is going to 128 00:07:45,270 --> 00:07:48,840 be a Hindenburg level of failure. 129 00:07:49,860 --> 00:07:52,620 With the word monetization strategy written on the side of 130 00:07:52,620 --> 00:07:56,400 the Hindenburg, this is not going to well, it has my least 131 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,460 favorite things in there. You know, podcasters should not be 132 00:07:59,460 --> 00:08:00,840 working for tips. 133 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,540 For tips, you want the app, he launched the app, and it's just 134 00:08:06,540 --> 00:08:10,170 a bunch of people's faces, you don't even know what to do. And 135 00:08:10,170 --> 00:08:14,160 then, like somebody, somebody emailed me this morning, and 136 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:14,640 said, 137 00:08:15,750 --> 00:08:18,990 Yes, supposed to be easy, but it takes you through 15 steps when 138 00:08:18,990 --> 00:08:21,300 you sign up for it. He said I bailed it step 12. 139 00:08:24,270 --> 00:08:27,570 So that's just clubhouse, and it's and that didn't work. No 140 00:08:27,570 --> 00:08:30,900 one's interested in clubhouse for podcasting anymore as as 141 00:08:30,900 --> 00:08:33,930 predicted. So what is the big thing this year? 142 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:36,750 What's everyone talking about? 143 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,560 I don't know if there is one thing that everybody's talking 144 00:08:40,560 --> 00:08:43,620 about. I haven't actually gone to that many sessions. I've been 145 00:08:43,650 --> 00:08:46,950 mostly talking to the vendors and the podcasters. Yeah. What 146 00:08:46,950 --> 00:08:49,410 are they talking about? What what what is what's the vibe on 147 00:08:49,410 --> 00:08:51,690 the street? Come on? what's what's you know, come on 148 00:08:51,690 --> 00:08:54,600 Huckleberry, what is the street saying monetization strategy? 149 00:08:55,140 --> 00:08:58,740 monetization strategy? spreader event. That's all that I ever 150 00:08:58,740 --> 00:09:02,910 hear at these conferences is, how do I promote my podcast? And 151 00:09:02,910 --> 00:09:05,310 how do I make money from my podcast? That's the kind of 152 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,600 thing every podcaster wants? No, no, no, only those who go to 153 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:10,500 conferences. 154 00:09:11,790 --> 00:09:14,850 Not every not every podcaster wants to make money. I disagree 155 00:09:14,850 --> 00:09:18,510 with that. That's not true. Lots of people just do it. Because 156 00:09:19,470 --> 00:09:23,190 this is very much a super spreader event. Absolutely. I 157 00:09:23,190 --> 00:09:26,430 mean, like, there's, you can see the Delta floating around in the 158 00:09:26,430 --> 00:09:32,070 air here. You know, it's, it's, it's rough. Alright, so now let 159 00:09:32,070 --> 00:09:37,260 me try this. Daniel, what do people know about podcasting? 160 00:09:37,260 --> 00:09:40,110 2.0. And what do they know about value for value? Just as you're 161 00:09:40,110 --> 00:09:42,480 talking to people, what do you get the vibe that anyone knows 162 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:46,380 what we're doing? So the primary people I've been targeting for 163 00:09:46,380 --> 00:09:48,570 that have been the hosting providers, like we've got 164 00:09:48,570 --> 00:09:53,970 blueberry Lipson buzzsprout. Red Circle is even here and a couple 165 00:09:53,970 --> 00:09:57,090 other hosting providers, I think so I've been asking them. Are 166 00:09:57,090 --> 00:09:59,820 you integrating this? what features are you integrating 167 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,120 And red circle brought up that thing that this is going to 168 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,750 trigger you, Adam. Oh, yes. And well, one of the big apps does 169 00:10:06,750 --> 00:10:11,100 that, then we'll jump on board. Yes. Okay. And and so I told 170 00:10:11,100 --> 00:10:15,090 them, no, you have the power, you put this in your feeds, and 171 00:10:15,090 --> 00:10:17,610 then the big apps, we'll see, well, we've got half a million 172 00:10:17,610 --> 00:10:21,150 podcasts, publishing with this new data, we should probably 173 00:10:21,150 --> 00:10:24,780 support this. But I talked with Tom from buzzsprout, talking 174 00:10:24,780 --> 00:10:29,400 about podcaster wallet idea of when buzz cow sprout could do to 175 00:10:29,700 --> 00:10:34,320 offer their customers as well as even get a small portion from 176 00:10:34,410 --> 00:10:37,440 what the wallet brings in. And he was getting really excited 177 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,140 about that. Because he's, he's totally on board with the idea 178 00:10:40,140 --> 00:10:43,860 of value for value. Because, yeah, the micropayments giving a 179 00:10:43,860 --> 00:10:47,100 podcaster $5, where the podcaster only ends up seeing at 180 00:10:47,130 --> 00:10:51,390 best for 50. From that, because of all the fees that most of 181 00:10:51,390 --> 00:10:54,420 these payment processors have that isn't best. Yeah, yes. 182 00:10:54,420 --> 00:10:56,910 Usually, mostly, I would say it's lower than that actually 183 00:10:56,910 --> 00:11:00,720 more like 325 Yeah, yeah, I was thinking 350. Yeah. But if you 184 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:05,100 can do something where you've got $5 worth of satoshis, and 185 00:11:05,100 --> 00:11:07,590 you're giving your favorite podcast, or even if it's only 186 00:11:07,590 --> 00:11:13,050 five cents per episode worth of satoshis It's so accessible, 187 00:11:13,380 --> 00:11:17,460 that if 1000 people from your audience are giving you five 188 00:11:17,460 --> 00:11:21,300 cents per episode, you're making $50 an episode. And it's super 189 00:11:21,300 --> 00:11:23,970 easy for them, it's convenient for them. And they're able to do 190 00:11:23,970 --> 00:11:26,610 the same thing for all of their other favorite podcasts when 191 00:11:26,610 --> 00:11:29,250 they load up their wallet. And Tom was really excited about 192 00:11:29,250 --> 00:11:31,440 that, you know, you know, it really brought it home for me 193 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,900 because you know, the value for value model is well known. 194 00:11:34,620 --> 00:11:39,810 Although it kind of, I would say Patreon tried to automate it in 195 00:11:39,810 --> 00:11:42,660 a way but they they screwed it up because they didn't leave it 196 00:11:42,660 --> 00:11:44,970 as open as it should be like, you should just be able to 197 00:11:44,970 --> 00:11:47,370 determine per episode, what you want to do. 198 00:11:48,570 --> 00:11:51,450 What's really bringing this around is these damn booster 199 00:11:51,450 --> 00:11:54,120 grams, there's two things coming into my email in the morning, I 200 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:58,440 see booster grams, which are just so much fun. I mean, so 201 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,950 that right there in a handy format ready to be read back on 202 00:12:01,950 --> 00:12:06,270 the show is a donation with a message and they're very short. 203 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,180 For some reason the booster gram even just calling it a booster 204 00:12:09,180 --> 00:12:12,120 gram, people aren't writing very long donation notes, which is 205 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:16,380 good. And the other one is like the daily and weekly income 206 00:12:16,380 --> 00:12:20,340 report that all of a sudden, our podcast index node started 207 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,570 sending me Dave, that's excited just happened. They were 208 00:12:24,570 --> 00:12:28,560 spontaneous magic. And it just decided and so he was like this, 209 00:12:28,620 --> 00:12:32,370 this is better than PayPal. I mean, it's like boom, here's 210 00:12:32,370 --> 00:12:35,880 what came in. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, like holy crap. And 211 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,580 then of course if you just go to the wallet and you see every 212 00:12:38,580 --> 00:12:38,910 minute 213 00:12:40,170 --> 00:12:43,890 clip every minute something's coming in it How long has it 214 00:12:43,890 --> 00:12:45,570 been since you clicked boost? 215 00:12:46,740 --> 00:12:51,000 That's too long. Exactly. You got to be boosting got to be 216 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:55,380 boosted now it's man is Hill Country, it is some magic, some 217 00:12:55,380 --> 00:12:58,560 magic that is taking place here. And I can I can understand 218 00:12:58,560 --> 00:13:02,460 everyone gets excited when you see that. It's a very visual 219 00:13:02,460 --> 00:13:06,180 thing that made a big difference with with people even me I was 220 00:13:06,180 --> 00:13:09,780 talking with Mitch from pod verse. So we were I was showing 221 00:13:09,780 --> 00:13:14,880 him the the the income that the lightning node of our lightning 222 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,880 node. And we were just doing some and showing him the Daily 223 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:22,620 Report. So we just did some like quick napkin math for for pod 224 00:13:22,620 --> 00:13:25,590 verse the app. And because he was telling me like, Okay, well, 225 00:13:25,590 --> 00:13:29,130 we need this much to to break even each month. We need this 226 00:13:29,130 --> 00:13:32,730 much to you know, pay, we have police from lawyers fees that we 227 00:13:32,730 --> 00:13:35,040 need to do for business, you know, all the typical stuff that 228 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,370 LLCs and stuff have to deal with, in in the hosting easily. 229 00:13:38,370 --> 00:13:40,770 He's like it's X number of dollars a month, is what we just 230 00:13:40,770 --> 00:13:44,160 did. And I'm like, so I whipped out my phone and showed him the 231 00:13:44,190 --> 00:13:48,060 lightning node. And we're just looking at Okay, if 1% is 232 00:13:48,060 --> 00:13:52,200 flowing through podcasting right now, then in this is what our 233 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:57,030 node represents. Then let's just multiply that up to a 5% split 234 00:13:57,030 --> 00:14:01,710 if Bob first decided to take 5% like Brees does. So we might we 235 00:14:01,740 --> 00:14:05,310 mark that up. And it was like at current levels. He knew that he 236 00:14:05,310 --> 00:14:08,940 would have a salary. It will he would cut he would he would 237 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,630 completely cover the hosting fee. Yeah. Well, and I was the 238 00:14:12,660 --> 00:14:16,080 dentist then after that it's all gravy I was looking at at our 239 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:20,670 daily income report. And I know that our our daily nut for the 240 00:14:20,670 --> 00:14:24,120 servers is like 12 bucks, isn't it something like that, like 10 241 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,700 or $12 is tip is somewhere. 242 00:14:28,020 --> 00:14:32,970 It's somewhere in the 10 to $13 range. So I see we got 30 211 243 00:14:32,970 --> 00:14:37,410 sets or we're almost $13. So that's now a perpetual motion 244 00:14:37,410 --> 00:14:44,790 machine. But more exciting is 20 215 transactions, which is a 245 00:14:44,790 --> 00:14:49,230 nice amount so we're that's them everyone else probably saw 246 00:14:49,230 --> 00:14:55,890 220 215 transactions I've got Did you see the weekly? Yes, 247 00:14:55,890 --> 00:14:58,710 that email. Yeah, but you know what, what's most interesting to 248 00:14:58,710 --> 00:14:59,970 me is 249 00:15:00,390 --> 00:15:04,200 The number of transactions and SATs per transactions per app. 250 00:15:05,130 --> 00:15:08,400 Right? So that breakdown is really helpful. Oh, my goodness. 251 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,710 So you see that breeze is really 252 00:15:12,179 --> 00:15:12,899 has 253 00:15:14,190 --> 00:15:17,220 the highest amount of SATs but 254 00:15:19,020 --> 00:15:24,090 number two on transactions and swings you can see that they are 255 00:15:24,090 --> 00:15:28,680 number two in a set amount. But they're number one in 256 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:32,040 transactions, you know because and we know that swings is kind 257 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,010 of a default and people let it sit there three or something 258 00:15:35,010 --> 00:15:39,120 something like that, or 10 or something like that. They never 259 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,510 really never really changed it. He just looked at this as like 260 00:15:42,510 --> 00:15:45,990 wow. And everyone showing up on the chart pod verse fountain, 261 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,710 Curio caster this new app called unknown, which I'm very excited 262 00:15:49,710 --> 00:15:53,160 about. Everybody loves the best app ever. 263 00:15:54,690 --> 00:15:55,800 Basically, fireside 264 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:04,950 pod friends on there. Yeah, five 5701 stats and 160 transactions. 265 00:16:05,100 --> 00:16:07,650 It's just I mean, when you see the breakdown, so like 266 00:16:07,650 --> 00:16:13,380 yesterday, what the email that we're looking at is shows 45,326 267 00:16:13,380 --> 00:16:17,370 SAS that came in in the last 24 hours to the index. So like at 268 00:16:17,370 --> 00:16:20,070 current market rate of Bitcoin, which is you know, it's a little 269 00:16:20,070 --> 00:16:24,360 high based on this average over the last few months, is $17.68. 270 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,090 Now, that's before show days, you're gonna have some booster 271 00:16:27,090 --> 00:16:29,400 grams and that kind of thing. But what you know what we're 272 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:30,210 seeing on average, 273 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:33,420 got 274 00:16:35,190 --> 00:16:37,440 to be I'm tired, but this is the same stuff that we're going to 275 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:41,190 be able to offer all podcasters is this this kind of service 276 00:16:41,190 --> 00:16:44,700 where you get this daily email, you get a weekly email, you can 277 00:16:44,700 --> 00:16:47,520 see where it's coming from, you get your booster grams, this is 278 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:51,600 exciting. It's really exciting talking to Tom Rossi from 279 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,640 buzzsprout. About that was getting him really excited. I 280 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,940 was saying, I think the hosting providers should step up and 281 00:16:56,940 --> 00:17:00,510 provide wallets for all of their customers. And in fact do it 282 00:17:00,570 --> 00:17:04,200 automatically for everyone. So like buzzsprout is known for 283 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,200 being really good at sending out congratulations and milestone 284 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,090 achievement are very good. They're very good at 285 00:17:09,090 --> 00:17:12,810 communicating absolutely like so I told them why if for every 286 00:17:12,810 --> 00:17:16,350 podcast on your platform, you have a wallet set up for them 287 00:17:16,380 --> 00:17:20,730 already. So it's already able to receive Bitcoin and already 288 00:17:20,730 --> 00:17:23,010 receiving it from some of these different places. So when it 289 00:17:23,010 --> 00:17:25,560 reaches a particular threshold, then you send out an email to 290 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,020 your customer saying, congratulations. You have 291 00:17:28,050 --> 00:17:32,070 already earned Bitcoin from your podcast. Here's how to comply 292 00:17:32,070 --> 00:17:36,000 Ah, nice one. Yeah, with little stars jumping off the email to 293 00:17:36,030 --> 00:17:40,920 ding ding ding. Congratulations. You've you you have money. And 294 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,370 you have money waiting for you. Yeah, no. It's funny, because 295 00:17:44,430 --> 00:17:48,990 when we first were concepting the idea. We talked about that 296 00:17:48,990 --> 00:17:51,330 didn't we day, we talked about it just basically giving every 297 00:17:51,330 --> 00:17:56,310 single every single podcast in the index. format, no idea. We 298 00:17:56,310 --> 00:17:59,370 were gonna create 4 million wallets. And we thought about it 299 00:17:59,370 --> 00:18:03,450 for a long time. I said, Yeah, even if, if people vote $1 into 300 00:18:03,630 --> 00:18:05,850 a couple of those wallets, he can be a pretty big 301 00:18:05,850 --> 00:18:06,900 responsibility to 302 00:18:07,950 --> 00:18:10,500 housing all that. So that's a good idea. You're doing the 303 00:18:10,500 --> 00:18:13,530 Lord's work. Daniel J. I love that, man. Thank you. Really 304 00:18:13,530 --> 00:18:16,260 appreciate it. That's very cool. Dave, I mean, you get the same 305 00:18:16,260 --> 00:18:19,830 vibe from everybody. Yeah, I mean, everybody, it has been 306 00:18:19,830 --> 00:18:22,560 really interesting to talk to the pod chaser guys, yesterday, 307 00:18:22,830 --> 00:18:26,970 had a chance to talk to Cole Raven, and tell him about like, 308 00:18:27,450 --> 00:18:29,790 because we've worked with them together like on the namespace 309 00:18:29,790 --> 00:18:32,580 in order to finalize the taxonomy, integration with the 310 00:18:32,580 --> 00:18:35,430 person tag, and that kind of thing. But just like with the 311 00:18:35,430 --> 00:18:39,300 Bitcoin conference, in Miami, you can do all this stuff 312 00:18:39,300 --> 00:18:42,270 remotely. But if you have a chance to your head, you can 313 00:18:42,270 --> 00:18:46,260 accomplish more in 10 minutes of face time than you can in three 314 00:18:46,290 --> 00:18:51,030 months of back and forth on a GitHub repo. That's absolutely 315 00:18:51,030 --> 00:18:54,240 true. Absolutely. Yeah. Being able to just talk to these guys 316 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:58,050 and get and by the way, Todd Cochran, that guy's a maniac. 317 00:18:59,010 --> 00:19:04,230 He's got stories of man like it, he he's a Navy guy. So then, you 318 00:19:04,230 --> 00:19:07,110 know, he has of course he has stories. He's he's been around 319 00:19:07,110 --> 00:19:11,280 man. He's been registered from RSS calm was going and he's 320 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,850 like, please tell us the story. I just like, one story. And I 321 00:19:15,540 --> 00:19:19,110 was like, man, I can't do it. I can't tell you this. You know, I 322 00:19:19,110 --> 00:19:21,840 can't tell you that. shoot you, you know, classified. 323 00:19:22,470 --> 00:19:25,080 classified. Yeah. Who else who else was there that we know that 324 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:25,920 we've been working with? 325 00:19:27,030 --> 00:19:32,280 Oh, Tom, Tom and Kevin from buzzsprout. Departure chaser 326 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:36,360 guys, blueberry, Todd, and Mike from blueberry. 327 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:42,510 Lips lips in got Dave Jackson roblin Greenleaf and Lipson. 328 00:19:43,650 --> 00:19:47,700 Gosh. I mean, just every man pretty much everybody is good to 329 00:19:47,700 --> 00:19:51,570 get to just just say, you know, say hi neighbor also met a 330 00:19:51,570 --> 00:19:54,300 couple of guys that are developing a new app. 331 00:19:55,350 --> 00:19:59,100 I don't know if they have Republic yet. I won't say the 332 00:19:59,100 --> 00:19:59,970 name but there 333 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,750 developing a new app and podcasting 2.0 value for value 334 00:20:03,750 --> 00:20:06,390 compatible? They're pulling in they're wanting they're gonna 335 00:20:06,390 --> 00:20:11,610 pull it all in. So exciting. Yeah, so that it's just like 336 00:20:11,670 --> 00:20:15,780 getting it was a it was a good thing to be here. I mean I'm 337 00:20:15,780 --> 00:20:18,180 exhausted but it was a good thing to be I'm really happy 338 00:20:18,180 --> 00:20:21,180 when it was a little easier for you because you could just drive 339 00:20:22,740 --> 00:20:26,460 very happy when I'm appreciative too because I know that those 340 00:20:26,460 --> 00:20:29,790 those days they just drag you down man you just dead at the 341 00:20:29,790 --> 00:20:34,380 end of the day. Yeah, they the late night drinking and all that 342 00:20:34,380 --> 00:20:38,370 so it is it'll keep your receipts. Yeah. 343 00:20:39,570 --> 00:20:42,420 It's amazing like you bought you by Daniel J. Lewis one, you 344 00:20:42,420 --> 00:20:45,150 know, one drink and he also he's like a consultant. 345 00:20:46,500 --> 00:20:49,980 Daniel, how about hardware man is the app 346 00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:52,950 once again I looked at the 347 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,620 the road caster pro I'm like, oh, man, if only they could do a 348 00:20:58,620 --> 00:21:01,740 few more things that would be just perfect. They haven't quite 349 00:21:02,130 --> 00:21:04,650 gotten it to where I needed they're missing a noise gate on 350 00:21:04,650 --> 00:21:07,590 the USB channel. Do they have anything new to anyone have 351 00:21:07,590 --> 00:21:11,310 anything cool like an all in one? road isn't here. 352 00:21:11,310 --> 00:21:14,640 Unfortunately, there are several road caster pros represented 353 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,660 here. Like BSW has them along with several microphones. And 354 00:21:18,690 --> 00:21:22,200 there's microphone manufacturers. There. Our focus 355 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,810 right is here with their interfaces. They're fantastic 356 00:21:24,810 --> 00:21:30,180 things. And there are some things coming like MX l as a 357 00:21:30,180 --> 00:21:32,670 couple of new microphones coming in that they're targeting at 358 00:21:32,820 --> 00:21:36,540 toward podcasters dynamic microphones designed for 359 00:21:36,540 --> 00:21:40,050 podcasters to be affordable small compact with pretty nice, 360 00:21:40,110 --> 00:21:42,660 like one of them actually looks like if you just shrunk the RV 361 00:21:42,660 --> 00:21:46,500 320 down and squashed it in a little bit. That looks like one 362 00:21:46,500 --> 00:21:48,000 of the new MX l mics 363 00:21:49,470 --> 00:21:53,490 doesn't. I thought that there also was an actual squash down 364 00:21:53,490 --> 00:21:56,280 version of this. somewhere that that 365 00:21:57,420 --> 00:22:02,070 electro voice makes I thought I could be they have a booth here 366 00:22:02,070 --> 00:22:04,320 with several of their microphones you can try out 367 00:22:05,790 --> 00:22:09,330 there. There are some cool things coming. But I can't talk 368 00:22:09,330 --> 00:22:09,720 about them. 369 00:22:14,010 --> 00:22:14,880 If you were here 370 00:22:17,670 --> 00:22:21,000 Did you have to swear in blood and do a little decoder ring 371 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:26,820 thing and secret handshake to recording? Just let me ask Okay, 372 00:22:26,850 --> 00:22:29,730 I get to ask a couple questions. Is it a recording device? Is it 373 00:22:29,730 --> 00:22:33,990 a podcast? It does include a mixer? I'm not gonna play Todd 374 00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:36,360 Cochran here. I can't say anything about it. 375 00:22:37,740 --> 00:22:41,220 You know, and it's funny, because and I guess now the news 376 00:22:41,220 --> 00:22:45,030 is out to James Boggs from Apple left. Yeah, we knew this. What 377 00:22:45,030 --> 00:22:49,230 Dave four weeks ago? Yeah, we kept our mouth shut. But we also 378 00:22:49,230 --> 00:22:52,290 didn't tease anybody. Like, I know, I have a secret. I know 379 00:22:52,290 --> 00:22:55,530 who's got kicked out of that job. Which I don't know if 380 00:22:55,530 --> 00:22:56,280 that's true, but 381 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,210 Okay, yeah. That I mean, 382 00:23:01,350 --> 00:23:04,470 you had to think there would be some shake up I hate. I hate 383 00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:10,140 that it was him. But or if you know, if it was but you you got 384 00:23:10,140 --> 00:23:14,100 to think is one or two things either, either. It was his idea. 385 00:23:14,100 --> 00:23:16,680 And they didn't like the execution. And no matter someone 386 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,950 had to burn for the execution of that have that change, I mean, 387 00:23:19,950 --> 00:23:23,310 that someone had to burn for that. Or he was really against 388 00:23:23,310 --> 00:23:27,240 it and said and in disgust is gone, which I kind of hope that 389 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,520 he were like, this is this is lame, I'm out, I'm gonna do 390 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,970 something else. And none of the apple guys are here. I mean, 391 00:23:32,970 --> 00:23:39,420 Steve, formerly of Apple is here. But like Ted and some of 392 00:23:39,420 --> 00:23:43,800 the other developers and such from Apple, Apple has said no to 393 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:48,000 any travel now because of new COVID concerns. So no one from 394 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,580 Apple is here. And I think that's why a lot of other 395 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,360 vendors and attendees had to cancel almost last minute as 396 00:23:54,360 --> 00:23:57,300 well, because of just your over COVID stuff. Now, Was there 397 00:23:57,300 --> 00:24:00,990 anyone who said hey, I want this I want in on this podcasting? 398 00:24:00,990 --> 00:24:01,650 2.0 399 00:24:03,870 --> 00:24:07,290 Yeah, I mean, like, yeah, like lots of guys. I mean, they're 400 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,230 like, pod pod chaser. Hey, they were talking to me like 401 00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:12,810 podcasters. Do you mean a podcasters? Who are saying, 402 00:24:12,810 --> 00:24:16,860 Yeah, this is cool. I gotta do this now fact. So the fast 403 00:24:16,860 --> 00:24:20,820 follow thing. There is a perfect example of fast follow here at 404 00:24:20,820 --> 00:24:24,480 the conference, podcast movement conference app has its own 405 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:28,530 camera, and all of our badges have QR codes on them. So 406 00:24:28,530 --> 00:24:31,260 instead of exchanging business cards, what you do is inside of 407 00:24:31,260 --> 00:24:35,520 the podcast movement app, you scan someone else's badge, and 408 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,310 it instantly connects you to them, shares your contact 409 00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:41,490 information, adds you to your contacts, adds them to the 410 00:24:41,490 --> 00:24:44,520 contacts inside of the app so you can quickly see who did you 411 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,090 talk to, you can't make a note on someone but you can exchange 412 00:24:48,090 --> 00:24:50,940 messages back and forth and we can give them a one to five star 413 00:24:50,940 --> 00:24:52,500 rating. But it's a great 414 00:24:53,970 --> 00:24:58,830 way you can rate people to social you got social credit 415 00:24:58,830 --> 00:24:59,970 score going on, though. 416 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,960 Like, what do you in the black mirror? That guy's one star? 417 00:25:04,020 --> 00:25:08,070 Really? Now I can you see your own abuse on the red social 418 00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:11,010 distance button stay six feet away from me and they can't get 419 00:25:11,010 --> 00:25:13,740 close enough to give to give you your work. Now if you scan 420 00:25:13,740 --> 00:25:16,530 someone's code as a pop up how many stars they have, what their 421 00:25:16,530 --> 00:25:20,280 rating is? I don't float above their head, does it float above 422 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:25,590 their head and little number of stars? Wow. Wow, that's really 423 00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:28,920 interesting example. So talking, I was talking with a perfect 424 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,980 example of another reason I'm not there. That's what that is 425 00:25:31,980 --> 00:25:36,210 perfect example. Wow, that's pretty outrageous. It's fast 426 00:25:36,210 --> 00:25:40,200 follow where someday I'll be able to open my overcast app and 427 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,080 say, here's a great podcast. You shouldn't listen to this here. 428 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,800 Open your podcast app now, which could be pod verse while I'm 429 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,400 using overcast? No, I see. I think that's happening. And it's 430 00:25:50,430 --> 00:25:54,120 interesting you say that because QR codes all of a sudden have 431 00:25:54,690 --> 00:25:58,200 the same obsession I have with it. I really despise them during 432 00:26:00,060 --> 00:26:03,240 you know, last year with COVID. And there were no menus in the 433 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,170 restaurant and and invariably, there were some that just didn't 434 00:26:07,170 --> 00:26:12,960 work with my scanner, like how just whatever. But now, it's 435 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,890 like I find myself and I figured out that Chrome or brave, you 436 00:26:16,890 --> 00:26:21,570 can right click and pops up a QR code, which is great. If just 437 00:26:21,570 --> 00:26:25,950 want to get a URL on your phone built in. I was showing it to 438 00:26:25,950 --> 00:26:28,230 Tina, she's like, Oh, that's kind of cool. Boom. So that 439 00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:28,920 works great. 440 00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:34,590 It's Yeah, I'm seeing more of this. And it really came to me 441 00:26:34,590 --> 00:26:39,150 more with the with the lightning invoices. And with anyone with 442 00:26:39,180 --> 00:26:43,650 with with Bitcoin addresses I really had. I really thought QR 443 00:26:43,650 --> 00:26:48,000 codes were just a stupid gimmicky thing for, you know, 444 00:26:48,060 --> 00:26:51,240 Madison Avenue types, but there's real functionality to 445 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,660 it. I'm surprised. I was wrong. I'm very surprised by this. 446 00:26:55,350 --> 00:26:59,250 Yeah, I'm really thankful that Steven, Steven bill, like took 447 00:26:59,250 --> 00:27:02,400 that took that thing by the horns and ran with it, and just 448 00:27:02,430 --> 00:27:05,700 just got something out there. He's like, because that's the 449 00:27:05,700 --> 00:27:08,730 one thing that frustrates me is you talk about a spec, talk 450 00:27:08,730 --> 00:27:11,820 about a spec, talk about a spout. Well, if you're creating 451 00:27:11,820 --> 00:27:16,230 a spec from from from scratch date that is not doesn't exist 452 00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:19,740 in the world yet. You know that you're not going to get rapid 453 00:27:19,740 --> 00:27:23,220 adoption, like within, you know, everybody's not going to do fast 454 00:27:23,220 --> 00:27:26,850 follow QR codes in a week, right? So you've got time to 455 00:27:26,850 --> 00:27:29,910 just like, throw something out there, play with it a little 456 00:27:29,910 --> 00:27:34,260 bit. See what good is see what's good, what's bad, you know? And 457 00:27:34,260 --> 00:27:37,650 then you're gonna have some some runway plenty of runway where 458 00:27:37,650 --> 00:27:39,540 everybody can say, Oh, well, I don't like this. Let's change. 459 00:27:39,540 --> 00:27:42,210 Let's change this back. So I think it's great to just have 460 00:27:42,210 --> 00:27:43,890 the thing out there and see if it works. 461 00:27:44,940 --> 00:27:49,560 leaking. We'll find out speaking of Stephen B. So he sent me some 462 00:27:49,980 --> 00:27:55,320 super secret URL. And there was I was looking at podcasting 2.0 463 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,160 and Curio caster, and there was a button. I said add episode. 464 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:06,210 Oh, he's doing Oh, yeah. So boom, add episode. And I'm 465 00:28:06,210 --> 00:28:09,690 typing in the, in this editor, and it's showing up right there 466 00:28:09,690 --> 00:28:14,220 in the in the episode list already is really in dad's we're 467 00:28:14,220 --> 00:28:18,480 interesting feelings like Oh, okay. You know, because that's, 468 00:28:18,990 --> 00:28:21,060 the whole point of the experience is that you can 469 00:28:21,060 --> 00:28:24,090 preview everything. So I don't know how he's going to do with 470 00:28:24,090 --> 00:28:27,540 chapters and all that stuff. But yeah, we'll get to that. But 471 00:28:27,540 --> 00:28:30,600 yeah, he's, he's, he's doing it on his lunch break. 472 00:28:31,740 --> 00:28:35,970 Man, if he just if you if you build the feed, and build all 473 00:28:35,970 --> 00:28:37,950 that stuff, and build the associated chapters, 1000 474 00:28:37,950 --> 00:28:40,290 transcripts, and that kind of, or whatever you're gonna do, you 475 00:28:40,290 --> 00:28:44,550 build that feed out. And then you have us hook into like, the 476 00:28:44,550 --> 00:28:48,870 hosting API and publish, give it to them publish and publish. And 477 00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:49,260 the 478 00:28:51,150 --> 00:28:52,050 authors are gonna say, 479 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,630 I know it's such a it's such a mind Bender, when you when you 480 00:28:57,630 --> 00:29:00,360 see it in front of you when you're doing it. It's like, 481 00:29:00,420 --> 00:29:04,320 okay, yeah, this in a weird way makes sense. You can pre knew 482 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,470 the whole idea is you can preview everything, okay? I like 483 00:29:07,470 --> 00:29:11,790 the title. I'm looking at the at the show notes, chapters, 484 00:29:11,790 --> 00:29:12,630 presumably, 485 00:29:14,010 --> 00:29:16,890 you know, maybe I've already linked in the transcript and all 486 00:29:16,890 --> 00:29:20,460 this stuff, and then you preview and then you hit publish, and 487 00:29:20,490 --> 00:29:24,990 God has done and it's it's always the import though. That's 488 00:29:24,990 --> 00:29:28,500 where everything goes wrong. That's where Martin had a huge 489 00:29:28,620 --> 00:29:32,610 trouble with wasn't really importing, but it kind of was 490 00:29:33,630 --> 00:29:36,510 cast upon I think, I think we still have trouble with 491 00:29:36,540 --> 00:29:41,040 importing on cast apod that's where it breaks to the creating 492 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:45,330 from fresh feed. Almost everyone does it beautifully. But when 493 00:29:45,330 --> 00:29:49,080 you have to import some old crap, it's there's so much going 494 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,190 on in show notes and images and URLs and who knows what else and 495 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,800 things just break. It's really hard to do. 496 00:29:57,870 --> 00:29:59,970 And I see some enthusiasm and 497 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,540 The new chapters to like someone was asking, Well, how is that 498 00:30:03,540 --> 00:30:06,660 really different from editing the chapters in the 83 tags? And 499 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,900 well, they kind of answered their own question by telling 500 00:30:09,900 --> 00:30:12,900 me, one of the only reasons why I used a Mac was for a while, 501 00:30:12,900 --> 00:30:16,560 that was the only way to put chapters. Right file right into 502 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,980 the file itself. Yeah. And now there's some other ways, but 503 00:30:20,010 --> 00:30:22,800 still, it's just like on the web, you have a database for 504 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,860 your content, you have CSS for your styling and design, you 505 00:30:25,860 --> 00:30:28,380 have the HTML or whatever is generating that for the 506 00:30:28,380 --> 00:30:32,250 structure, you have JavaScript for the behavior. In podcasting, 507 00:30:32,430 --> 00:30:34,680 that's now what we're doing with the chapters is that we're 508 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,250 moving chapters to their own thing where you can then update 509 00:30:38,250 --> 00:30:41,670 them, correct them, add to them, after you've published the 510 00:30:41,670 --> 00:30:44,970 episode, which could be really important for many people, like 511 00:30:44,970 --> 00:30:49,200 if they have maybe a baked in AD, that they have a chapter 512 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,080 display during that ad with the link. Well, then when maybe 513 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,830 their sponsorship with that ends, maybe they're allowed to 514 00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:59,190 change that link to their affiliate. So continue earning 515 00:30:59,190 --> 00:31:02,160 money. You know, someone sent me someone sent me a was back and 516 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,190 forth on Twitter, and they said, Hey, I can't get your chapters 517 00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:10,980 to work in antenna pod. I'm like, Okay, well, does antenna 518 00:31:10,980 --> 00:31:15,390 pod support chapter said, Yeah, look, here's, here's the Fox 519 00:31:15,390 --> 00:31:20,010 News Sunday podcast. And there's the chapters. And like, this is 520 00:31:20,010 --> 00:31:24,690 weird. And so I go take a look at the RSS feed. And they're 521 00:31:24,690 --> 00:31:30,960 using the pod love simple chapters namespace. Yeah. What 522 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,920 is this? You didn't know about that? No. Maybe? I forgotten 523 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:39,240 about it, maybe? Well, the pod left spec. It was a chapter spec 524 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,050 that goes in the feed. And so it's just a it's basically the 525 00:31:43,050 --> 00:31:45,300 chapters are defined in the XML. 526 00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:51,090 Yes, we Yeah, we looked at that at the beginning. And the reason 527 00:31:51,090 --> 00:31:53,670 that we ended up moving it into its own JSON file, 528 00:31:54,810 --> 00:31:58,920 it gets sideloaded is because is for a couple of reasons. You can 529 00:31:59,370 --> 00:32:04,080 you number one, you can take all that stuff out of the feed, so 530 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,560 that the feed itself is not so large, right, which is what we 531 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,830 like, right? Well, if you imagine if you're a host, and 532 00:32:10,830 --> 00:32:17,100 you have 100,000 podcast, yeah, if every for every kilobyte that 533 00:32:17,100 --> 00:32:20,460 you add to the feed, I mean, you're jacking you're hosting 534 00:32:20,490 --> 00:32:24,870 your CDN fees way up. So that that was number one. They also 535 00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:28,500 don't have a very rich, it's just a start time title. And 536 00:32:28,500 --> 00:32:32,640 that's it. Yeah. And so and then, as you and then when you 537 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,970 move it, also, when you move it to the outside, you can change 538 00:32:36,300 --> 00:32:40,470 the chapters file without having to regenerate the feed. So you 539 00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:44,520 don't invalidate the cash on the feed. Just by editing something 540 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,800 in the chapter file. Who's talking about there's a lot of 541 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,140 wind Sure, who's talking to pod love. 542 00:32:50,340 --> 00:32:55,440 pod love is part of our mastodon stuff like a couple guys. Right. 543 00:32:55,470 --> 00:32:57,510 But are they doing other cloud chapters? 544 00:32:58,860 --> 00:33:02,610 Yeah, they're, they're, they're doing a lot of peer to peer 2.0 545 00:33:02,610 --> 00:33:05,760 features. Okay, well, because it doesn't show up in this in this 546 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,300 feed. Well, because that's that's just that was just their 547 00:33:09,300 --> 00:33:15,150 spec. Anybody could implement the potluck. Sorry, of course. I 548 00:33:15,150 --> 00:33:19,170 gotcha. Oh, my gosh. So this is Omni Omni. 549 00:33:20,430 --> 00:33:24,420 What are they? Why don't they just support JSON chapters? 550 00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:30,300 Exactly. Exactly. They they obviously know how to do data 551 00:33:30,300 --> 00:33:32,880 space, they understand the namespace they're invested in 552 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:39,030 chapters is do what seems like a simple simple adaptation as the 553 00:33:39,030 --> 00:33:41,250 Omni here, are they are they here? 554 00:33:42,300 --> 00:33:45,960 I don't think so. Because Because ami you're talking about 555 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,650 the hosting company. Yeah. Students in Australia. And 556 00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:52,320 someone died in Australia. So they locked down the country 557 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,770 ago. Yeah, that's right. The horse suckers. 558 00:33:56,970 --> 00:34:01,110 The that's that's another thing that has been impossible to keep 559 00:34:01,110 --> 00:34:05,700 track of at this conference is knowing who owns who. I mean, 560 00:34:05,700 --> 00:34:08,190 like literally, the only way I can survive is by looking at 561 00:34:08,190 --> 00:34:09,960 this. This pod scape 562 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,730 chart. This shows you who all who owns who, because I would be 563 00:34:14,730 --> 00:34:18,630 saying something like, Oh yeah, well, this host or this, you 564 00:34:18,630 --> 00:34:21,360 know, company. And they were like, Oh, well, that's really 565 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,660 just that's, that's really Vox Nast because they own this, who 566 00:34:24,660 --> 00:34:27,930 owns this? Who owns this? And I'm like, Oh my god, what is 567 00:34:27,930 --> 00:34:31,380 this chart? You're talking about? The pod scape? Yeah, 568 00:34:31,410 --> 00:34:34,770 Magellan AI puts out this thing through sounds profitable called 569 00:34:34,770 --> 00:34:41,100 the 2021 pod scape. And it just, it's, it's like a list of, of 570 00:34:41,310 --> 00:34:45,510 it's a it's a big chart of who owns who and podcasting. And 571 00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:50,010 it's quite entertaining to look at. Okay, let's just call this. 572 00:34:50,220 --> 00:34:52,440 Oh, it's like it's almost like one of those mainstream media 573 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:57,510 charts. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like, you know, ABC. Disney owns 574 00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:58,590 ABC who's right? 575 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,000 I see that Yeah. Oh my goodness was a bunch of wherever it 576 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,270 wherever they're in the right under independent apps and web 577 00:35:06,270 --> 00:35:06,840 players 578 00:35:08,309 --> 00:35:13,049 just just put a big l on losers over here. Losers over there 579 00:35:13,049 --> 00:35:16,139 stand to the right that's the that's the not cool kids table 580 00:35:16,139 --> 00:35:20,069 sit over there in that little box. Interesting on honored to 581 00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:23,669 be in the losers Yeah, yeah yeah we'll share our lunch with each 582 00:35:23,669 --> 00:35:27,119 other We don't need that we don't need the Mean Girls. Also 583 00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:30,659 somebody who I didn't see here is anchor Spotify, none of that. 584 00:35:30,869 --> 00:35:33,449 No Spotify presence that's interesting. I don't guess they 585 00:35:33,479 --> 00:35:36,659 do they ever participate. They have in the past. Yeah, but they 586 00:35:36,659 --> 00:35:39,449 weren't here this time. I don't know why maybe COVID concerns 587 00:35:39,449 --> 00:35:42,839 again. So what's the what's the learning? what's the takeaway 588 00:35:42,839 --> 00:35:44,429 from podcast movement? 589 00:35:47,220 --> 00:35:51,870 my takeaway is that everybody that I thought was cool, is 590 00:35:51,870 --> 00:35:57,060 actually cool. And everybody that did, I thought was forward 591 00:35:57,060 --> 00:36:01,290 thinking actually is, and it helps to actually get to sit 592 00:36:01,290 --> 00:36:05,010 down with them in person and work some stuff out. And then 593 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,380 also, there's a lot of people. 594 00:36:08,670 --> 00:36:11,250 There's a lot of people that if you can just spend five minutes 595 00:36:11,250 --> 00:36:15,630 with them, and get in Talk, talk things out. It's a whole lot 596 00:36:15,630 --> 00:36:19,140 more effective than trying to just send cold emails and stuff. 597 00:36:19,230 --> 00:36:25,530 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. The the not the face, the FaceTime, yes. But 598 00:36:25,530 --> 00:36:28,830 sort of like, getting to have quick interactions and explain 599 00:36:28,830 --> 00:36:31,500 things and show like flip your phone around and show them 600 00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:34,740 something. It's like, it makes a big difference. Daniel, how 601 00:36:34,740 --> 00:36:35,160 about you? 602 00:36:36,330 --> 00:36:39,930 I've just loved being here, because it's been a while since 603 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,780 being around other people, of course, and just being around 604 00:36:42,780 --> 00:36:45,840 other podcasters. And after going through a lot of personal 605 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,560 stuff in my life, just being around a supportive community is 606 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,430 really good. So what I'm getting out of this most is just being 607 00:36:53,430 --> 00:36:57,480 encouragement, the camaraderie in podcasting. Yeah. Which is, 608 00:36:57,510 --> 00:37:00,540 which is how it felt in the beginning as well. I'm sure many 609 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,780 times I haven't been to all that any I stopped going at a certain 610 00:37:03,780 --> 00:37:04,110 point. 611 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,520 But there's always camaraderie. It's always nice to see familiar 612 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,700 faces, how people are progressing, and also how things 613 00:37:11,700 --> 00:37:14,910 haven't changed. It is comforting in a weird way. 614 00:37:16,140 --> 00:37:18,090 Yeah, I mean, you 615 00:37:19,140 --> 00:37:21,270 one thing I want to bring up those you were going to talk 616 00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:24,240 last week about Spotify earnings. Did you get Do you 617 00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:27,480 have any of that? Or do you want to? You know, I that next week? 618 00:37:27,540 --> 00:37:29,850 Yeah, we'll probably do a dug into it. Yeah, I did. We'll 619 00:37:29,850 --> 00:37:31,470 probably do it next week. But 620 00:37:32,490 --> 00:37:35,310 the reporting, the way I would report the story is very 621 00:37:35,310 --> 00:37:37,920 differently from the way it showed up. But I think we kind 622 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,640 of knew that from the way the headlines were crafted. But I'd 623 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:46,950 say it's, you know, the more I, the more I saw the TLDR. And I 624 00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:52,350 didn't talk too long I didn't read is we have a lot of power. 625 00:37:52,860 --> 00:37:59,790 And just because Spotify can buy some people, it's it's almost 626 00:37:59,790 --> 00:38:02,610 irrelevant. It's like, here's one that we'll talk about next 627 00:38:02,610 --> 00:38:08,250 week. But I was just watching Glenn Greenwald. I'm a big fan 628 00:38:08,250 --> 00:38:10,740 of fan of Glenn Greenwald. I like like what he's doing. And I 629 00:38:10,740 --> 00:38:11,790 always like what he's done. 630 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:17,280 And so now, you know, he's, he has, he's really left the 631 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:18,660 intercept, which he started, 632 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,860 which was kind of his first venture into, I can show you how 633 00:38:22,860 --> 00:38:27,420 to do it better. And he wound up leaving his own his own 634 00:38:27,420 --> 00:38:30,090 publication, because they wouldn't publish a piece of his 635 00:38:30,090 --> 00:38:33,330 for whatever reason, which I think was purely political. And 636 00:38:33,330 --> 00:38:37,950 that's the inference. So now he's starting his own network of 637 00:38:38,370 --> 00:38:42,540 people on substack. And I think that will do podcast as well. 638 00:38:43,140 --> 00:38:46,380 And, and I said to Tina, and I know, she didn't quite get what 639 00:38:46,380 --> 00:38:50,880 I was driving at. But it's like, Why? Why do people who are 640 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:55,260 really good at what they do? Why do they think they need to now 641 00:38:55,260 --> 00:38:59,100 build a network? And Tim Poole is doing this, why does Tim 642 00:38:59,100 --> 00:39:02,310 Poole need to have a network? It's, it's, it's like, I don't 643 00:39:02,310 --> 00:39:06,330 have a headache. Please give me a migraine on a daily basis. 644 00:39:07,380 --> 00:39:11,190 It's really odd. It's, you know, it's and that goes for all 645 00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:14,460 podcasters. I've never seen a real benefit come out of a 646 00:39:14,460 --> 00:39:18,750 network, what I've seen is a great benefit to doing as much 647 00:39:19,230 --> 00:39:23,460 yourself as you possibly can, and networking, and if 648 00:39:23,490 --> 00:39:26,520 appropriate, appearing on other podcasts. And, you know, that's 649 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:31,350 a great way that is, in my mind the way when another podcast 650 00:39:31,350 --> 00:39:34,530 talks about me, that whole audience is exposed to one click 651 00:39:34,530 --> 00:39:38,730 away from me. That's that's how it should be working. And this 652 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,400 was there a lot of network talk was because that I've seen that 653 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,180 at many of these conferences and join our network, and we'll help 654 00:39:45,180 --> 00:39:47,220 you monetize. Was there any of that going on? 655 00:39:48,990 --> 00:39:51,660 There's a little bit yeah, like, there's a women's Podcast 656 00:39:51,660 --> 00:39:56,430 Network and a couple others who are, who say they have podcast 657 00:39:56,430 --> 00:39:58,980 networks and I used to run a podcast network and I always 658 00:39:58,980 --> 00:40:00,000 tell people, my friends 659 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,870 Advice for starting a podcast network is don't Yeah, my second 660 00:40:03,870 --> 00:40:06,300 advice is don't do it unless you're ready to run a business. 661 00:40:06,300 --> 00:40:09,930 And my third advice is make sure everything on the network makes 662 00:40:09,930 --> 00:40:13,860 sense to be associated with each other. Because that's where you 663 00:40:13,860 --> 00:40:16,740 get the benefits of the podcast network. Like you look at 664 00:40:16,740 --> 00:40:19,890 something like, what's the real benefit? But what's the real 665 00:40:19,890 --> 00:40:24,390 benefit? Daniel, what is the benefit to be on a network? The 666 00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:27,690 biggest benefit really monetizing? Well, let's take 667 00:40:27,690 --> 00:40:31,380 podcasting 2.9. That's a bad example. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I 668 00:40:31,380 --> 00:40:36,150 interrupted you what is the benefit? It's in cross promoting 669 00:40:36,420 --> 00:40:38,970 similar podcasts, sharing audiences and having the 670 00:40:38,970 --> 00:40:41,880 leverage of a much bigger community, which you can get 671 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,730 when your podcasts are very similar, like look at horse 672 00:40:44,730 --> 00:40:48,720 radio network, where all of the podcasts are about horses. So if 673 00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:51,990 one person listens to one podcast from that network, and 674 00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:55,800 that podcast is saying, check out this other podcast from the 675 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,740 network, because it's also about horses, but this is their take, 676 00:40:58,740 --> 00:41:01,890 or this is their approach to this, then that helps grow the 677 00:41:01,890 --> 00:41:05,940 network grow the community. There are but how does how does 678 00:41:05,940 --> 00:41:08,610 the network? How does the network make money from that? 679 00:41:09,690 --> 00:41:12,510 Yeah, the network making money? That's where it does become more 680 00:41:12,510 --> 00:41:14,970 difficult, because I know you say, you can't monetize the 681 00:41:14,970 --> 00:41:18,450 network. Yeah, you. It's very difficult. It is possible, but 682 00:41:18,450 --> 00:41:22,620 it's difficult. And it's it's best if all of your podcasts are 683 00:41:22,620 --> 00:41:25,170 similar, because then using the horse radio network, for 684 00:41:25,170 --> 00:41:29,310 example, if you have a sponsor who has horse products, you can 685 00:41:29,310 --> 00:41:32,340 say, hey, instead of getting on this one podcast, how about we 686 00:41:32,340 --> 00:41:36,030 put you on these 30 podcasts we have that are all about horses 687 00:41:36,060 --> 00:41:39,570 all have your ideal audience. And even if the same person is 688 00:41:39,570 --> 00:41:43,050 listening to all 30 of your podcasts, then they'll hear your 689 00:41:43,050 --> 00:41:47,940 ad spot 30 times instead of just once on one pot, ad spot. Okay, 690 00:41:47,940 --> 00:41:51,360 there it is. But you could just buy ads on those other on those 691 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,530 other podcasts. I, I understand what you're saying. I think it 692 00:41:55,530 --> 00:41:57,930 doesn't, you don't need to have a network because the network is 693 00:41:57,930 --> 00:42:00,420 what makes it different. complicated. The network then 694 00:42:00,420 --> 00:42:03,240 has overhead, the network has to do 695 00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:08,490 no centralized functions, the network has to schedule promos. 696 00:42:08,730 --> 00:42:11,730 And then in here's where it that's where it always starts to 697 00:42:11,730 --> 00:42:15,390 go wrong. It's like well, you know, I didn't hear my promo on 698 00:42:15,390 --> 00:42:18,810 the number one podcast on the network this week. Why not? Why 699 00:42:18,810 --> 00:42:21,180 is the why is that person? Well, it's not your turn. Okay. But I 700 00:42:21,180 --> 00:42:23,640 got some special this week. And I'd like okay, we'll do a 701 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,250 special thing for you. Hey, how come we got to jump the line? 702 00:42:26,430 --> 00:42:29,730 And by the way, I'm not seeing as many ads as the other podcast 703 00:42:29,730 --> 00:42:31,620 over here. The other bigger audience? Yes. Because you're 704 00:42:31,620 --> 00:42:35,040 promoting him more. I mean, I've heard this so many times. 705 00:42:36,540 --> 00:42:41,430 So I guess that's just a personal thing. I'm thinking 706 00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:44,400 about like, networks just don't make any make sense anymore. And 707 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,040 I'm seeing people make, I think the same mistake over and over 708 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:51,300 again, join a network, why I can understand a group of people who 709 00:42:51,300 --> 00:42:54,570 want to get together and share ideas. So if you have a women's 710 00:42:56,100 --> 00:42:58,500 interest group, and they're in there, but you know, I don't 711 00:42:58,500 --> 00:43:01,830 think you have to have a landing page. You know, whose top left 712 00:43:01,830 --> 00:43:07,800 whose top right, I've heard it all. It's anyway. Yeah, that's 713 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,770 back to maybe. Oh, and pause? Yes, yes. Yeah, I have the 714 00:43:10,770 --> 00:43:11,760 scars, man. 715 00:43:14,070 --> 00:43:16,320 I'm trying to stop people from hurting themselves. 716 00:43:18,090 --> 00:43:20,550 Like we were talking about spot, you know, like Spotify brought, 717 00:43:20,580 --> 00:43:23,400 brought that whole thing up. And one of the things that I heard, 718 00:43:23,460 --> 00:43:27,870 you know, multiple times here so far from people is spot is this 719 00:43:27,870 --> 00:43:28,440 sort of 720 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:34,680 feeling that what's happening is Spotify is that the broad 721 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:41,970 monetization is not working. And of like, taking, let's just say, 722 00:43:41,970 --> 00:43:45,390 2 million shows or whatever they have, to me in podcast, and 723 00:43:45,390 --> 00:43:49,860 abroad, monetization, quote, unquote, thing is not, it's just 724 00:43:49,860 --> 00:43:53,700 not panning out. So people are looking for looking for YouTube 725 00:43:53,700 --> 00:43:56,370 money that, you know, I got a couple bucks here, a couple 726 00:43:56,370 --> 00:43:59,610 bucks there because someone stumbled onto an algo and click 727 00:43:59,610 --> 00:44:04,740 my video for 15 seconds in the hole. And only because it's not 728 00:44:04,770 --> 00:44:09,570 really working in the volumes that you would think back when 729 00:44:09,570 --> 00:44:14,100 they started pouring money into it is that the end result is 730 00:44:14,100 --> 00:44:19,530 that Joe Rogan color Daddy, all these like these top sort of top 731 00:44:19,530 --> 00:44:23,220 five top three shows where you get all the ads, they get 732 00:44:23,220 --> 00:44:25,950 everything. Again, they get the whole, they get the whole kit 733 00:44:25,950 --> 00:44:29,400 and caboodle. They get 98% of it and the left and the remaining 734 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,610 2% is left to be spread out over a million and a half other shows 735 00:44:32,730 --> 00:44:35,760 what I'm hearing and I'd love to next time you have a chance to 736 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,580 ask you kids, but I think I currently know what they'll say. 737 00:44:38,850 --> 00:44:42,270 It's like all the kids that I know. And when I say kids, you 738 00:44:42,270 --> 00:44:47,310 know that's relative to my age. Yeah, but the Instagram sucks on 739 00:44:47,310 --> 00:44:51,060 Instagram. Spotify sucks and it stuck. And one of the main 740 00:44:51,060 --> 00:44:55,650 reasons there's two reasons one, I paid for premium and I still 741 00:44:55,650 --> 00:44:59,970 hear ads. A lot of people as proof especially with Rogan or 742 00:45:00,630 --> 00:45:04,350 And the second thing is, they rip off artists, and they're 743 00:45:04,350 --> 00:45:05,850 going to rip off podcasters, too. 744 00:45:07,020 --> 00:45:08,160 I hear a lot of that. 745 00:45:09,330 --> 00:45:11,940 And we know from clips that you brought to the show that they, 746 00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:16,050 they find it they, and this is the arrogance of it like, Well, 747 00:45:16,050 --> 00:45:18,300 you know, you're a musician, you should be lucky that you're just 748 00:45:18,330 --> 00:45:20,970 able to travel through our pipes, the fact that you think 749 00:45:20,970 --> 00:45:24,960 you deserve to be paid anything is crazy. That was their thing. 750 00:45:25,110 --> 00:45:26,400 Like we're giving you exposure. 751 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,120 I'm not sure who ever I'm not sure who thought that whole 752 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:36,210 thing through that. And I mean, specifically, who was it that 753 00:45:36,210 --> 00:45:40,200 brought that brought this idea forward? Let's, let's get Rogan. 754 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:46,200 And he'll be the cash cow. But we're still going to put the ads 755 00:45:46,830 --> 00:45:51,660 into for even for premium, Premium subscribers, they're 756 00:45:51,660 --> 00:45:54,330 gonna get no ads anywhere else. But if they want to listen to 757 00:45:54,330 --> 00:45:59,130 Rogen, they get ads, like, how did they? How do you bring that 758 00:45:59,130 --> 00:46:02,610 idea to fruition and not think it's going to alienate people 759 00:46:02,610 --> 00:46:05,910 and make people irritated, I think I can help a little bit 760 00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:09,210 with that. They know, you have to go back to the roots of 761 00:46:09,210 --> 00:46:13,140 Spotify. Spotify started as a peer to peer music sharing 762 00:46:13,140 --> 00:46:17,700 system. And they grew really fast. And you know, if you 763 00:46:17,700 --> 00:46:20,940 recall, Vimeo, you had a cache on your drive. And that was your 764 00:46:20,940 --> 00:46:23,910 Spotify music that you were in essence, the minute you fire up 765 00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:26,610 your computer, you were sharing with everybody else. And they 766 00:46:26,610 --> 00:46:29,910 really prided themselves on, you know how fast the music would 767 00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:32,670 come in, you could play it in real time, you could start to 768 00:46:32,670 --> 00:46:37,290 stream it. And they got so big, they were kind of off the radar 769 00:46:37,290 --> 00:46:41,190 being from Sweden. And then they had to pay the piper. And so 770 00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:45,030 then they had to either go legit, and start paying. And 771 00:46:45,090 --> 00:46:47,970 that's when we had all these statutory fees or re 772 00:46:48,330 --> 00:46:52,620 renegotiated in Congress. And we went through years of that. And 773 00:46:52,620 --> 00:46:57,090 then even music before 1974 was chopped off, because the reverse 774 00:46:57,090 --> 00:47:00,780 satellite radio guys had their cost overhead and was a big, it 775 00:47:00,780 --> 00:47:01,350 was a big 776 00:47:02,550 --> 00:47:08,010 cattle trading thing, basically. And they wound up with record 777 00:47:08,010 --> 00:47:11,070 companies owning a majority of their of their shares of their 778 00:47:11,070 --> 00:47:14,190 public shares to the record companies, they were making 779 00:47:14,190 --> 00:47:17,190 money in two ways they were getting it in, in streaming fees 780 00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:21,390 if it wasn't going to the artists, but publishing and also 781 00:47:21,390 --> 00:47:24,450 in the ads. So they are incentivized to have the ads 782 00:47:24,450 --> 00:47:29,130 going all the time. So they're their DNA is not a media 783 00:47:29,130 --> 00:47:33,390 company, or a music company. Their DNA is a technology 784 00:47:33,390 --> 00:47:36,000 company that shoves stuff through pipes and makes it work 785 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,690 really fast. And they're and now they're bolting on things with 786 00:47:39,690 --> 00:47:42,690 that same mentality like, Well, you know, we're gonna give you 787 00:47:42,690 --> 00:47:45,420 Rogan, and they don't even I don't think they really 788 00:47:45,420 --> 00:47:47,940 understand you're in somewhere within the cone in the company, 789 00:47:47,940 --> 00:47:51,810 there's knowledge about ads, and how people respond to them. But 790 00:47:51,810 --> 00:47:55,140 I don't think they don't really care. Like, we're all things 791 00:47:55,140 --> 00:47:57,990 audio, we're gonna do audio books, we're gonna do everything 792 00:47:57,990 --> 00:48:02,340 you come to us. We're an audio company. And that's what's not 793 00:48:02,910 --> 00:48:07,290 so apparent from the numbers either, that they can pivot from 794 00:48:07,290 --> 00:48:10,710 being just a music as subscription app to an audio 795 00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:13,740 company that and that's going to take more than significantly 796 00:48:13,740 --> 00:48:18,150 more, I think, than Joe Rogan. And the Obamas. And whatever 797 00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:19,230 else they've got going on. 798 00:48:20,610 --> 00:48:23,550 Okay, well, I mean, I guess that makes sense. We have to ask the 799 00:48:23,550 --> 00:48:25,800 the podcast insights, man. 800 00:48:28,140 --> 00:48:32,940 I am working on tracking Spotify numbers, but knowing that anchor 801 00:48:32,940 --> 00:48:37,200 is, I think, more automatically submitting to Spotify, then to 802 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,080 Apple podcasts. And it seems like that has stopped by the way 803 00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,110 the auto publishing to Apple podcast has already stopped. I 804 00:48:43,110 --> 00:48:45,540 think so because something happened on June when when you 805 00:48:45,540 --> 00:48:48,900 say auto publishing, what do you mean exactly? What's when you 806 00:48:48,900 --> 00:48:50,610 sign up for anchor? There's this. 807 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,190 You're just spilled a bunch of water. 808 00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:59,310 But that when you sign up for water, that was just your water? 809 00:48:59,730 --> 00:49:02,880 Yeah, yeah. Dave Jackson just walked in the door and saved his 810 00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,050 life in front of me. 811 00:49:05,100 --> 00:49:08,160 So when you sign up for anchor, it gives you this option. That's 812 00:49:08,250 --> 00:49:10,890 basically like saying, hey, do you want to publish 813 00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,220 automatically to Apple podcasts? And we'll do it for you. Right? 814 00:49:14,250 --> 00:49:16,710 Yes. But what is what does that mean? published? That means they 815 00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:19,830 go through the submission process or, or what is that? 816 00:49:19,830 --> 00:49:25,020 Exactly? So my theory is that anchor has all this time and 817 00:49:25,050 --> 00:49:28,530 iTunes site manager, which is a special thing that big networks 818 00:49:28,530 --> 00:49:32,610 get, and it allows you to submit podcast, Apple podcast and 819 00:49:32,610 --> 00:49:36,060 bypass the apple podcasts approval process. Okay, but 820 00:49:36,060 --> 00:49:39,660 someone has to submit it and I think you can even work good. 821 00:49:39,660 --> 00:49:43,590 It's shut down now. But I think you could upload a CSV of all of 822 00:49:43,590 --> 00:49:47,220 these podcast feeds and just bulk upload them maybe. Okay, so 823 00:49:47,220 --> 00:49:50,580 am I creating a new entry for Apple not every single time you 824 00:49:50,580 --> 00:49:53,670 publish that it's pinging apple or anything like that. Right, 825 00:49:53,700 --> 00:49:57,780 right. Yeah. So my theory was that anchor was using their own 826 00:49:57,810 --> 00:49:59,970 Apple account through the site manager to 827 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,650 Publish feeds from anchor into Apple podcasts, which meant that 828 00:50:04,650 --> 00:50:08,850 anchor then owned the listing in Apple podcasts. And that's why 829 00:50:08,850 --> 00:50:11,940 it would take anchor users so long to get an apple podcast 830 00:50:11,940 --> 00:50:14,190 because I think it was, I'm guessing it was maybe just one 831 00:50:14,190 --> 00:50:17,520 or two people who would make that manual submission process. 832 00:50:17,850 --> 00:50:21,210 But Apple announced and I've had site manager to from my own 833 00:50:21,210 --> 00:50:23,910 network that used to run, Apple announced that they would shut 834 00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:27,720 down site manager back in May, they would be shutting it down, 835 00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:30,240 and everything would transfer over to the new podcast Connect 836 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,050 mine transferred in May. But if anchor was using site manager, 837 00:50:34,050 --> 00:50:36,990 that means they would have more than 1 million podcasts and 838 00:50:36,990 --> 00:50:40,350 their site manager account. And so I could understand that might 839 00:50:40,350 --> 00:50:43,560 take longer for them to transition over. So looking at 840 00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:47,520 the data that I have on podcast, industry insights comm I saw 841 00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:53,040 something change on June 29. Two things changed. One is podcast, 842 00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:57,510 new podcasts were being launched, accepted onto Apple 843 00:50:57,510 --> 00:51:01,110 podcasts on the weekends. That didn't happen before June 29. 844 00:51:01,470 --> 00:51:06,030 There'd be like a few under a dozen per weekend. Now it's 845 00:51:06,030 --> 00:51:09,240 hundreds or even a couple 1000 on the weekends being added, 846 00:51:09,420 --> 00:51:12,660 which tells me one thing, it's probably now a much more 847 00:51:12,690 --> 00:51:15,540 automated process to get your podcast in the apple podcasts 848 00:51:15,540 --> 00:51:19,350 like no human is curating it. Well, that is a big change for 849 00:51:19,350 --> 00:51:22,320 Apple. Yeah. And my suspicion there is that's because they now 850 00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,510 have communist level control over 851 00:51:31,980 --> 00:51:32,850 on a second hold on. 852 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:39,540 Now, as the French say, it is time for loose. That's right, 853 00:51:39,540 --> 00:51:42,900 man. He's out the commie word got to bring in the socialists, 854 00:51:42,930 --> 00:51:47,880 beautiful, beautiful one step removed. Well, the way I view it 855 00:51:47,940 --> 00:51:53,700 is just cursory experience smelling around. The Apple 856 00:51:53,700 --> 00:51:57,120 podcast app is out, you know, everyone, and it's the creators 857 00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,360 that have done this, of course, like, hey, my podcast hasn't 858 00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:04,980 shown up in a day, that it's been two hours. So I'm just on 859 00:52:04,980 --> 00:52:07,860 Twitter, go in new podcast apps calm and take it there. Look 860 00:52:07,860 --> 00:52:08,850 into at over here, it's over there. 861 00:52:09,900 --> 00:52:14,610 And that's been a real problem. And I mean, Dan, you know, the 862 00:52:14,610 --> 00:52:17,520 sophistication in general people like, Hey, man, how can we 863 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,770 didn't upload it to Apple podcast, you know, that's how 864 00:52:20,070 --> 00:52:24,510 many listeners think we've been, I've been evangelizing as much 865 00:52:24,510 --> 00:52:28,590 as I can pod pain. And I'm gonna evangelize Dave Jackson, as fast 866 00:52:28,590 --> 00:52:31,560 as I can, as soon as we finish the show, to get Lipson to do 867 00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,200 pod bean, because they don't do web sub either. And it takes me 868 00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,050 forever to pull their feeds. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna call 869 00:52:39,090 --> 00:52:43,260 James Boggs, his replacement to we know, I mean, he's been there 870 00:52:43,260 --> 00:52:48,180 a long time. So he's, you know, he would, as much as it pains 871 00:52:48,180 --> 00:52:52,290 me, it would be really good. If Apple did that. It would help a 872 00:52:52,290 --> 00:52:55,530 lot. And it would also, you know, bring them a little bit 873 00:52:55,530 --> 00:52:58,830 closer to what we're doing. There's got to be some level of 874 00:52:58,830 --> 00:53:02,610 team left that is just cleaning up the bits and bobs of of the 875 00:53:02,610 --> 00:53:07,110 destruction left behind for quote, unquote, open podcasting. 876 00:53:08,010 --> 00:53:09,780 I mean, there's got to be this has got they've got to want to 877 00:53:09,780 --> 00:53:14,550 do something with it. And he would hope that 99.999% of 878 00:53:14,550 --> 00:53:18,720 podcasting, yeah, so I mean, like, he really if you're not I 879 00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:21,060 mean, this you're not doing podcasting. You're doing some 880 00:53:21,570 --> 00:53:24,780 something else. So on that any any podcast apps who had a 881 00:53:24,780 --> 00:53:27,360 presence there, I mean, really, it was Marco there for an 882 00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:31,560 example or is it any, any any apps promoting their wares? Not 883 00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,980 only apps, so are the ones that were connected to, to other 884 00:53:35,130 --> 00:53:38,100 services like stitcher and those guys. I mean, like, there was no 885 00:53:38,100 --> 00:53:41,190 independent apps that I saw other than pod verse match with 886 00:53:41,220 --> 00:53:44,730 Mitch was right. Yeah, certainly no vendors with booths, right? 887 00:53:44,730 --> 00:53:47,820 Yeah, there are some that have their own apps, maybe for their 888 00:53:47,820 --> 00:53:51,600 network and such. But I think Yeah, Stitcher was probably is 889 00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:55,110 probably the only consumption app. Okay. So here's, here's 890 00:53:55,110 --> 00:53:58,920 what I think next year, and we're gonna save our satoshis 891 00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,920 we're gonna stack our SATs for this next year, we're gonna have 892 00:54:01,950 --> 00:54:07,410 maybe we can work on something with some friendly companies who 893 00:54:07,410 --> 00:54:11,100 have a presence there and already on board, we should have 894 00:54:11,340 --> 00:54:13,290 the new podcast apps booth. 895 00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:18,810 And we'll be handing out wallets. Get Your FREE wallet 896 00:54:18,810 --> 00:54:21,930 right here. And while he throws QR codes, you bet baby we'll 897 00:54:21,930 --> 00:54:24,360 throw some stats in there for you to get going. We're just 898 00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,510 gonna be we're gonna have the booth babes and boys. 899 00:54:28,770 --> 00:54:31,860 Yeah, we're gonna have hot boys and hot girls walking around. 900 00:54:31,890 --> 00:54:34,890 Yeah, of course. This is this is a show where we used to have pot 901 00:54:34,890 --> 00:54:38,520 the podcast pickle guy. I mean, this is podcasting. Dammit. 902 00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,090 Well, now the Bitcoin pickle, by the way. Yeah, I know. I know. 903 00:54:43,110 --> 00:54:46,530 Gary. Gary Leland is now the Bitcoin pickle. I know. 904 00:54:47,670 --> 00:54:51,240 We have business cards with QR codes for loading your wallet 905 00:54:51,240 --> 00:54:54,870 with that. We have that or we should have no I mean, we should 906 00:54:54,870 --> 00:54:58,740 do that. Right. I mean, it's not like it's not like 10 cents a 907 00:54:58,740 --> 00:54:59,970 thing. Like it's random. You 908 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,590 May you write a five buck 909 00:55:02,820 --> 00:55:05,250 it's a game of chance we're going to jail. We're going to 910 00:55:05,250 --> 00:55:06,360 jail Dave Jones 911 00:55:07,859 --> 00:55:12,209 illegal. So for our bailout fund, this is a value for value 912 00:55:12,209 --> 00:55:15,389 projects. Everything you see in podcasts index.org which 913 00:55:15,389 --> 00:55:19,499 includes podcast index dot social, the GitHub, this podcast 914 00:55:19,499 --> 00:55:22,589 all the work the countless hours, the new website that's 915 00:55:22,619 --> 00:55:27,299 that's being done Erica is like, completely under we have he's in 916 00:55:27,299 --> 00:55:31,679 his bunker, doing his thing. He's read monitors heads down, 917 00:55:31,679 --> 00:55:35,099 as we call it. We appreciate all the support we can get from 918 00:55:35,099 --> 00:55:38,909 everybody. Now the easy way to do that, of course is by knowing 919 00:55:38,909 --> 00:55:44,459 what boost you know, you want to just get a new app, a new 920 00:55:44,459 --> 00:55:48,689 podcast app, a new podcast app calm and follow the instructions 921 00:55:48,689 --> 00:55:51,239 fill up your wallet and boost us or send us a booster gram. We'd 922 00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:54,089 love reading those and we also love our cup barks coming in 923 00:55:54,089 --> 00:55:58,589 through Pay Pal. Did you bring your sheets today Dave? I I hand 924 00:55:58,589 --> 00:56:01,229 wrote everything so you could drop off a phone 925 00:56:04,380 --> 00:56:07,440 with one big crumble. Okay. All right. All right, good. Good. 926 00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:12,150 Good. So we got Well, okay, so the weekly guys we got Jeff. 927 00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:16,710 Joel rangs. Mo London Hall. I think you pronounce his name 928 00:56:16,710 --> 00:56:20,190 that way. 100 bucks. Thank you. Yeah. And he says Keep up the 929 00:56:20,190 --> 00:56:22,620 great work. Simple note. Does he get a T shirt? Are we still 930 00:56:22,620 --> 00:56:25,560 sending out t shirts? Yeah, he gets a T shirt. Oh, excellent. 931 00:56:25,590 --> 00:56:30,000 He just got he's gonna he's gonna email me. Yeah. Yeah. 932 00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,620 He emails me then I email Eric. Then Eric puts on a spreadsheet. 933 00:56:34,620 --> 00:56:37,170 Then it goes then he ships out. It's the most efficient thing 934 00:56:37,170 --> 00:56:44,550 you could ever works. Yeah. Brent Weaver gave us $33.33 he 935 00:56:44,550 --> 00:56:47,010 says thank you for your courage. Adam and Dave Keep up the great 936 00:56:47,010 --> 00:56:48,090 work boost. 937 00:56:52,470 --> 00:56:58,470 Colton Erickson gave us $10 and no note. I was saddened to see 938 00:56:58,470 --> 00:57:00,030 that there was no note for Colton. 939 00:57:01,830 --> 00:57:05,850 Okay, my monthly donors that hit this week was later and we tried 940 00:57:05,850 --> 00:57:11,400 to do this and in order. Cameron Rose $25 Cameron's been donating 941 00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,760 to us forever. Cameron has to be like a T shirt level now. I 942 00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:18,810 mean, it must be. So Cameron, you gotta get an email. 943 00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:25,740 Let's see. David mitas Have Fun Fact Friday podcast. He gave us 944 00:57:25,740 --> 00:57:30,000 $10 Oh, thank you, David. I'm helping him get hooked up with 945 00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:34,170 Elon sieloff for his Oh for his messages for his booster grams. 946 00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:38,190 Yes, we do booster grams. Yeah. Oh my god. Jennifer Maher says 947 00:57:38,220 --> 00:57:41,700 calm just walked in the doors like a whole floor. No. No army 948 00:57:41,700 --> 00:57:42,030 here. 949 00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:49,320 So we got banned from RSS. We got Dave Jackson. Ah, all right. 950 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:54,270 It's like a lot going on there in the Daniel J. Lewis suite. 951 00:57:54,750 --> 00:57:58,860 Yes. Is the podcasting 2.0 room now? Yeah, it is clearly Nice. 952 00:57:59,070 --> 00:58:01,860 Yeah, the band's wareness podcasts and tupuna certifies 953 00:58:01,860 --> 00:58:02,280 shirt. 954 00:58:04,260 --> 00:58:09,150 Scott Jalbert gave us 12 bucks is that max burn on the on the 955 00:58:09,150 --> 00:58:12,690 mastodon? Oh, yes, I know. Max burn Of course. Yeah. Greg 956 00:58:12,690 --> 00:58:16,860 Thomas gave us $5 Thank you. I mean, you gave us $5 and Mark 957 00:58:16,860 --> 00:58:18,120 Graham gave us $1 958 00:58:19,620 --> 00:58:23,010 Okay, booster grams. And this might get a little weird because 959 00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:26,940 I could not like some of these booster grants are long. Oh, 960 00:58:26,940 --> 00:58:30,720 read right. Now you just used to read them off the email he 961 00:58:30,780 --> 00:58:33,300 ordered, which I'm gonna try. Okay, I'm gonna try and I'm 962 00:58:33,300 --> 00:58:35,340 gonna make a horrible mess out of it. Because I'm gonna have to 963 00:58:35,340 --> 00:58:37,560 sit here and try to find them in my email. But 964 00:58:38,670 --> 00:58:41,040 let's try to do this. I'm just gonna go. I might have I might 965 00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:45,270 have most of them. I think you got you got so salon omics? Yes. 966 00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:50,730 So nomics. That is, let me see. Hi. Hi, guys. Yeah, enjoying 967 00:58:50,730 --> 00:58:54,030 your contributions to the future of podcasting and unsensible 968 00:58:54,030 --> 00:58:57,300 infotainment, and this is a notice the bug on the breeze app 969 00:58:57,300 --> 00:59:00,060 and Android the podcasting 2.0 show always seems to end 970 00:59:00,060 --> 00:59:00,870 violently 971 00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:06,300 that's how that's that's awesome man harshly, harshly cutting off 972 00:59:06,300 --> 00:59:08,970 the outro I know Adam is pretty anal with these things. So I 973 00:59:08,970 --> 00:59:11,910 thought it best I would let you know by sending a test message 974 00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:14,580 using Curio caster. Well, thank you. That's a great way to let 975 00:59:14,580 --> 00:59:17,640 us know. I'm not sure what's going on. It does does breeze go 976 00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:21,450 to the next episode. I got no idea. I'm not sure what the 977 00:59:21,450 --> 00:59:26,370 violence is. Yeah, I mean, when you say violent violently, the 978 00:59:26,550 --> 00:59:30,210 the show ends violently. But that's not a bug, right? It's a 979 00:59:30,210 --> 00:59:34,110 feature. Well, maybe you can record it and let me know 980 00:59:34,110 --> 00:59:37,110 exactly what you're hearing because it should end pretty 981 00:59:37,110 --> 00:59:37,710 much like 982 00:59:41,070 --> 00:59:44,730 it's violence against microphones. Microphone. 983 00:59:45,750 --> 00:59:50,340 We need audio. Then we go to a bug. Let me see. Yes. I got I 984 00:59:50,340 --> 00:59:53,850 got this. Steven Bay as well. Steven Bay didn't send any 985 00:59:53,850 --> 00:59:57,570 messages. He were just sending boost by like a few boost tests 986 00:59:57,570 --> 01:00:00,000 and I just want to give them credit because oh, that's 1007 987 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:06,870 at a time, yeah. Scott, Max burn. He says in his 3166 ads 988 01:00:06,870 --> 01:00:10,230 and he says, as I'm listening in the wrong app, my monthly pay 989 01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:13,800 pal hit yes. He said, he sent me a picture of that. So he's 990 01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:17,010 listening. I think it was maybe the apple podcast app and up 991 01:00:17,010 --> 01:00:19,920 pops his monthly donation from a 992 01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,730 while he's listening is like, Oh, I'm in the wrong app. I've 993 01:00:23,730 --> 01:00:27,570 gotta go I gotta go boost. Very cool. Thanks God yet, but but 994 01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,030 you can't take them back. Scott, you can't suck them back out. 995 01:00:30,780 --> 01:00:35,790 It's it's fair game. Kiran. Now, I'm gonna have to read. I'm 996 01:00:35,790 --> 01:00:38,490 gonna have to read Karen's notes next week is booster grams, 997 01:00:38,790 --> 01:00:42,210 Lizzie cinema and I can't decode them out of the TLV yet, because 998 01:00:42,690 --> 01:00:46,350 we missed some for the week. So like that, you know that the 999 01:00:46,350 --> 01:00:51,060 node certificate expired? Oh, yeah. Yeah, so we've missed 1000 01:00:51,090 --> 01:00:55,020 like, yeah, we missed like a week of TF to have a whole week 1001 01:00:55,020 --> 01:00:58,260 in Polish. Yeah. So I had to go back and find them. And I found 1002 01:00:58,260 --> 01:01:01,560 them. But I haven't decoded him yet. So but but I want to give 1003 01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:05,760 him credit cuz he sends like two. He said, 250 1000 set and 1004 01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:10,290 booster grams to my goodness, is a high roller pack, but I gotta 1005 01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:14,340 I gotta go get his messages next week. So he gets double credit 1006 01:01:14,340 --> 01:01:19,110 because we screwed up. Yeah. And he and he said my stuff. But 1007 01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:26,220 then Jeff, sent us 4040 sets. And he said weekly contribution 1008 01:01:26,220 --> 01:01:30,960 to Dave's studio furnishing fund pest. pest is blank is 1009 01:01:32,070 --> 01:01:34,440 but I have to have to 1010 01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:39,120 have two things to say about that. That is enough SAS to 1011 01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,820 wrote to to buy like two rolls of duct tape. So that's that 1012 01:01:41,820 --> 01:01:45,300 perfectly covers my needs. Not just that you can fix your 1013 01:01:45,300 --> 01:01:50,250 transmission with duct tape. Yeah, that also blankets, those 1014 01:01:50,250 --> 01:01:52,680 are not blankets. Those are beach towels. 1015 01:01:54,780 --> 01:01:58,500 Every clear clearly are better at audio absorption than 1016 01:01:58,500 --> 01:02:00,960 blankets. They, they do very well. 1017 01:02:02,850 --> 01:02:04,470 It's the way we do it in Alabama. 1018 01:02:06,330 --> 01:02:11,700 cow, cow a bear send us 50,050 SATs. I didn't see those booster 1019 01:02:11,700 --> 01:02:17,040 grab messages. That's odd. You didn't know. Kyle sent us that. 1020 01:02:17,070 --> 01:02:19,470 And it was a while back? I think it was right after the last 1021 01:02:19,470 --> 01:02:23,100 show. And I'm going to struggle to find is no. And also, are we 1022 01:02:23,100 --> 01:02:26,460 still doing the time code links or the that was just a test or 1023 01:02:26,460 --> 01:02:30,480 one time that worked? No, it should be in there. This is not 1024 01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,720 in there. I don't think so. In the most recent one. Let me see. 1025 01:02:33,900 --> 01:02:34,320 Yeah. 1026 01:02:37,050 --> 01:02:41,490 No, it shouldn't be any. No, no, no. I have the time here. Like 1027 01:02:41,490 --> 01:02:44,970 the first one. Salah nomics, 10 seconds. 1028 01:02:46,110 --> 01:02:47,910 But I don't have I don't have a link. 1029 01:02:49,620 --> 01:02:53,580 Let me see. Let me see if I can find it on my phone. Because 1030 01:02:53,580 --> 01:02:57,360 that's okay. It's just a bug probably. Well, I'll say I'm 1031 01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:01,470 trying to find Kyle's message. And I can't find his 1032 01:03:02,490 --> 01:03:06,840 his booster Gran. Because it was so nice. Pleasant read this 1033 01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:10,950 morning. On Monday. Maybe I can find it real quick. The problem 1034 01:03:10,950 --> 01:03:14,940 is I don't have I don't have a printer at podcast movement. 1035 01:03:15,060 --> 01:03:19,350 Right. And so I can't do my normal what I have his will this 1036 01:03:19,350 --> 01:03:24,870 is from July 22. So that's old 50,050 cent houses I would have 1037 01:03:24,870 --> 01:03:30,270 no no, I got five sets. Maybe I can look at this is a riveting 1038 01:03:30,270 --> 01:03:30,900 podcast. 1039 01:03:32,700 --> 01:03:36,780 Anyway, do we get everybody now? Do we get everybody we needed to 1040 01:03:36,780 --> 01:03:42,450 get? No we got more people. Okay. Um, I'm doing. I'm 1041 01:03:42,450 --> 01:03:46,410 multitasking. You know, we get more people. We got Dred Scott. 1042 01:03:46,830 --> 01:03:47,910 And I want to say 1043 01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:53,910 we were mocking Dred Scott's profile picture. Yeah. Last 1044 01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:58,080 week, no mocking what he what he actually looks like, well, then 1045 01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:01,380 he's really ugly. That's okay. I'm still like him. It's just 1046 01:04:01,380 --> 01:04:04,260 he's still a boy. It's not gonna change anything. It's just you 1047 01:04:04,260 --> 01:04:07,170 know, we got to warn the women folk next time they look at his 1048 01:04:07,410 --> 01:04:08,430 profile picture. 1049 01:04:09,630 --> 01:04:14,250 Okay. Dred Scott gave us 20,133 says and I'm not going to spend 1050 01:04:14,250 --> 01:04:16,200 10 minutes trying to find his email. I'm just going to read it 1051 01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:16,980 next week. 1052 01:04:18,060 --> 01:04:19,110 Chad Farrow, 1053 01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:25,260 the the of Twitter retweeted. Oh, yes, yes, yes. Yes. Chad. 1054 01:04:25,260 --> 01:04:32,010 Chad F. Yeah. 333 SATs. Wow. Nice. boosting for the real 1055 01:04:32,010 --> 01:04:36,090 Dave. I'm not sure who the fake Dave is but Oh, I know. It's 1056 01:04:36,090 --> 01:04:36,540 water. 1057 01:04:38,100 --> 01:04:41,130 Oh, but if you if you had the timestamp, it will go straight 1058 01:04:41,130 --> 01:04:44,700 to that bit in the podcast. That is so cool. Man. We like when 1059 01:04:44,700 --> 01:04:47,280 did this person hit that boost button. Oh, right there. Okay, 1060 01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:51,090 got it. Alright, that's the group. That's a group very nice, 1061 01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:56,130 but I don't have it. I'm going to walk up my hardscape Magellan 1062 01:04:56,340 --> 01:05:00,000 thing exists as I got. Excellent. All right. 1063 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,450 So when you go back, Dave tomorrow, you start driving 1064 01:05:03,450 --> 01:05:07,170 back. Now we're heading out tonight. Oh, okay, we gotta we 1065 01:05:07,170 --> 01:05:10,500 gotta we gotta Boogie. Gotta Boogie. Okay, Daniel, How about 1066 01:05:10,500 --> 01:05:13,410 yourself? You stay in through the to the weekend or what's 1067 01:05:13,410 --> 01:05:16,650 your schedule? staying until Saturday morning? Yeah. Nice. 1068 01:05:16,710 --> 01:05:20,160 Nice line, though, right? driving, and only four hours 1069 01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:22,830 away. I'm from Cincinnati, so it's only four hours away. Have 1070 01:05:22,830 --> 01:05:25,530 a drive. Okay, where are you? Where are you from Dave? at 1071 01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:26,160 about 1072 01:05:27,390 --> 01:05:30,390 seven hours in you. And you're you're from Austin. So yeah. 1073 01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:36,660 Yeah, okay. Yeah. So we Yeah. Is there a mass exodus here? Well, 1074 01:05:36,690 --> 01:05:39,390 this, this sounded a heck of a lot better than I thought I 1075 01:05:39,390 --> 01:05:42,300 would, you know, I've done shows when someone was on the other 1076 01:05:42,300 --> 01:05:44,700 end of the conference. And this was just like, like, you guys. 1077 01:05:44,700 --> 01:05:47,700 Were here. Like, I was actually more like I was there. In the 1078 01:05:47,700 --> 01:05:51,900 hotel room. If you could see the octopus Hydra of wires that are 1079 01:05:51,900 --> 01:05:56,310 on this table. I posted it on podcast index. Y'all Hold on. 1080 01:05:56,310 --> 01:05:58,830 All right. I want to take a look at that. Then on Monday. I 1081 01:05:58,830 --> 01:06:01,530 mentioned to you both on it. So you might as well do that before 1082 01:06:01,530 --> 01:06:03,420 you leave. Hold on a second. I want to see that. 1083 01:06:04,620 --> 01:06:07,200 Good. So what is the headline? What is the press write about 1084 01:06:07,230 --> 01:06:08,730 podcast movement? What? 1085 01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,060 What will they say? Oh my goodness. 1086 01:06:15,420 --> 01:06:20,670 Yeah, I've had many spreader spreader event. The only 21 soup 1087 01:06:20,670 --> 01:06:23,520 Okay. Yes. Soup. Yeah, that's all we need to wait for is how 1088 01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:26,970 many podcasters went down after the super spreader event? Yeah, 1089 01:06:26,970 --> 01:06:29,310 and the New York Times is going to track their cell phone usage 1090 01:06:29,310 --> 01:06:31,650 somehow to figure out where they went is gonna be like this, you 1091 01:06:31,650 --> 01:06:35,100 know, this octopus that goes all over the country to take to take 1092 01:06:35,100 --> 01:06:35,880 the Delta back. 1093 01:06:37,410 --> 01:06:40,530 Alright, that'll have to do it for podcasting. 2.0 for this 1094 01:06:40,530 --> 01:06:43,890 week, Daniel J. Lewis, where do you want people to find more 1095 01:06:43,890 --> 01:06:47,520 about you? What's the best way to go? I am on most social 1096 01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:50,520 networks as the Daniel J. Lewis. And then you can get to my 1097 01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:53,220 product services and everything I do with podcasting at the 1098 01:06:53,220 --> 01:06:57,840 audacity to podcast.com. We've also got an API to your new API. 1099 01:06:57,870 --> 01:07:00,810 Yeah, for podcasts, industry insights, the API that can give 1100 01:07:00,810 --> 01:07:04,350 you some deeper insights on what's out there in podcasting. 1101 01:07:04,380 --> 01:07:08,670 And there's a huge blip that I discovered today that I can't, I 1102 01:07:08,670 --> 01:07:11,160 probably shouldn't comment on, because I need to dig into the 1103 01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:14,940 data to see what's going on. But yeah, you can, for getting 1104 01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,850 insights from the data is what I do with podcasts and industry 1105 01:07:17,850 --> 01:07:20,460 and strike. It's not trying to be a pod chaser, another podcast 1106 01:07:20,460 --> 01:07:23,700 index or something. But learning from it and getting a better 1107 01:07:23,700 --> 01:07:26,040 idea of what's actually out there. What does the podcast 1108 01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:28,320 landscape look like? When you get a pimp all your stuff? Not 1109 01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,870 just what kind of what kind of data can I get from that? 1110 01:07:30,870 --> 01:07:34,860 Daniel? I mean, so great. Now, if you go to podcast industry, 1111 01:07:34,860 --> 01:07:39,120 insights.com. And right now, I'm focusing primarily on the data I 1112 01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,850 get from Apple podcasts. Or if you go to the Apple podcast tab, 1113 01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:45,180 you can see how many podcasts or an apple pie if you're looking 1114 01:07:45,180 --> 01:07:49,500 at this on Friday, August 6, there is something weird going 1115 01:07:49,500 --> 01:07:52,110 on that I need to investigate, but so you can see how many 1116 01:07:52,110 --> 01:07:55,350 podcasts are and this is only an apple podcast right now. I'm 1117 01:07:55,620 --> 01:07:58,080 counting them and then seeing how many of them are active. How 1118 01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:01,020 many have published an episode, I asked a breakdown on some of 1119 01:08:01,020 --> 01:08:04,320 the inside stuff for the insiders? How many podcasts are 1120 01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:06,420 in different genres? Or you could do something like get 1121 01:08:06,420 --> 01:08:10,680 notified of every new podcast added to the system? Whoa, I see 1122 01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:15,750 what you mean by something going on. Yeah, to just tease it, in 1123 01:08:15,750 --> 01:08:18,510 that according to the data now, this could just be because Apple 1124 01:08:18,510 --> 01:08:20,190 broke something today. No, I think I 1125 01:08:21,330 --> 01:08:24,780 think Apple burned down, man. I think their offices are on fire. 1126 01:08:24,780 --> 01:08:28,710 What the heck is that? It looks like half of the podcast were 1127 01:08:28,710 --> 01:08:31,860 removed from Apple podcast. So I'm going to dig into that and 1128 01:08:31,860 --> 01:08:36,150 figure out did this really happen? Wow, it's not beyond the 1129 01:08:36,150 --> 01:08:40,380 realm of possibility. If anchor that could be just all anchor 1130 01:08:40,380 --> 01:08:44,730 shows, well also radically, what is this? If I look down below 1131 01:08:44,730 --> 01:08:50,070 here, I see 1 million podcasts removed in the previous day. 1132 01:08:50,430 --> 01:08:53,370 Right? That's what I'm talking about. I need to figure out what 1133 01:08:53,370 --> 01:08:57,780 happens. Sometimes, Apple's website has problems. If their 1134 01:08:57,810 --> 01:09:00,540 data has problems, then it might show up as a removal on my 1135 01:09:00,540 --> 01:09:07,980 system. But if if they did truly remove 1.1 million podcasts, 1136 01:09:08,010 --> 01:09:11,250 that's going to be a news story. So I need to put up holy crap. 1137 01:09:12,060 --> 01:09:15,240 We're investigating this podcast industry insights, calm, 1138 01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:17,940 everybody. That's that chart is fun, fun to look at. 1139 01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:22,020 All right, gentlemen. travelsafe. Say hi to Dave 1140 01:09:22,020 --> 01:09:24,900 Jackson, for me Say hi to who else came in? Who else that we 1141 01:09:24,900 --> 01:09:28,530 have in Benjamin Richard. Ben Richardson. All right. Say hi to 1142 01:09:28,530 --> 01:09:31,980 everybody. And thank you all for flying the flag, their podcast 1143 01:09:31,980 --> 01:09:34,380 movement, and we'll do another board meeting next week. All 1144 01:09:34,380 --> 01:09:37,920 right. I got a pleasure. All right. That's it. 1145 01:09:39,660 --> 01:09:43,050 For us go to podcast. index.org. We'll be back next week for 1146 01:09:43,050 --> 01:09:46,290 another board meeting of podcasting 2.0 1147 01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:07,350 been listening to podcasting 2.0 podcast in this dashboard for 1148 01:10:07,350 --> 01:10:08,760 more information 1149 01:10:10,410 --> 01:10:12,840 how long has it been since you clicked boost 1150 01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:15,420 that's too long.