1 00:00:00,539 --> 00:00:05,639 podcasting 2.0 for July 9 2021, Episode 45 we are pressing the 2 00:00:05,639 --> 00:00:12,179 flesh and kissing babies. Yeah, man. It is Friday once again 3 00:00:12,179 --> 00:00:15,599 time for the board meaning of podcasting 2.0 everything going 4 00:00:15,599 --> 00:00:18,959 on around podcast index.org podcast index dot social 5 00:00:19,439 --> 00:00:24,689 podcasting in general. It's been a long week and a lot to talk 6 00:00:24,689 --> 00:00:27,779 about. I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of Hill Country, Texas 7 00:00:27,779 --> 00:00:30,689 and in Alabama to drew one of the good my friend on the other 8 00:00:30,689 --> 00:00:36,359 end, Dave Jones. Oh, I like that one. Yeah, you can put that in 9 00:00:36,359 --> 00:00:38,369 your in your email signature. 10 00:00:39,660 --> 00:00:43,770 I'm trying to figure out I was eating some dried green beans. 11 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,520 As soon as one does as one does on Fridays. 12 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,629 I love these things, but I can't I have yet to understand why. 13 00:00:52,139 --> 00:00:57,479 Why they cost like, a million dollars an ounce. They Okay, so 14 00:00:57,479 --> 00:01:01,859 if you look at a can of green beans, yeah. Like 15 ounces of 15 00:01:01,859 --> 00:01:05,459 green beans. And it's like me No, 90 cents. Well, 16 00:01:05,460 --> 00:01:08,910 this is this is the temporary inflation that is just gonna 17 00:01:08,910 --> 00:01:11,490 pass us by. Well, these things are like 18 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,740 five ounces for like $8 19 00:01:15,630 --> 00:01:19,140 Wow, that's almost as much as we'd crazy. 20 00:01:19,590 --> 00:01:20,790 I don't know if you can smoke it. 21 00:01:21,930 --> 00:01:24,780 Well, that is next on the list. Of course. Yeah. 22 00:01:24,810 --> 00:01:27,960 Clearly there is something in the drying and the green bean 23 00:01:27,960 --> 00:01:30,120 drying process that I do not understand. 24 00:01:30,270 --> 00:01:32,970 Yeah, I think it's just all it's all supply chain. I couldn't get 25 00:01:32,970 --> 00:01:38,610 any shallots the other day. Oh, and at hgb which is like our 26 00:01:38,610 --> 00:01:41,520 regular grocery store. But actually fantastic. Love them. 27 00:01:41,580 --> 00:01:46,440 Texas company. And the guys like nah, now there's no one to pack 28 00:01:46,530 --> 00:01:48,690 them and no one wants to work and no one wants to drop drugs 29 00:01:48,690 --> 00:01:54,690 rise. Okay. headshots for three weeks is crazy. I'm trying and 30 00:01:54,690 --> 00:01:55,050 looking 31 00:01:55,500 --> 00:01:56,700 clicking on the industry 32 00:01:57,630 --> 00:01:59,220 when it comes with instructions, 33 00:01:59,550 --> 00:02:04,500 and ama ingredients, not instructions. I do not see I was 34 00:02:04,500 --> 00:02:07,350 looking for maybe there may be like rare earth metals in here. 35 00:02:07,350 --> 00:02:11,940 Something drove the price up. But no. It's just green beans. 36 00:02:12,060 --> 00:02:16,350 This is the official board meeting for podcasting. 2.0 we 37 00:02:16,350 --> 00:02:20,400 do it live and we do it every single Friday. We love bringing 38 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,010 people in. We're gonna open the door for a second. Please 39 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,800 welcome the gentleman you see to my left for the green visor and 40 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,740 the desk lamp none other than the third leg of the index 41 00:02:28,740 --> 00:02:36,360 stool. Eric Mackey, everybody. How's it going? Good. He doesn't 42 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,450 talk much. But when he talks it's so meaningful. What's your 43 00:02:40,350 --> 00:02:43,590 what's your commercial? Like when so in so talks, people 44 00:02:43,590 --> 00:02:47,130 listen. What was that? Who was that guy? It was like an 45 00:02:47,130 --> 00:02:49,050 investment when Charles Schwab It was like, 46 00:02:49,079 --> 00:02:53,009 Oh, you mean the guy that's that is mean a million times? 47 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,760 Yes. I when so and so. You know when this guy told? Yeah. From 48 00:02:57,030 --> 00:03:00,540 the from, from the tequila guy. No, I thought it was the Burling 49 00:03:00,540 --> 00:03:03,720 was he Burlington coats or something? I'm Burlington Coat 50 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:08,460 Factory. But I don't know about GE we're really off to a rockin 51 00:03:08,460 --> 00:03:11,190 start here. What do we know? Nothing. Nothing. 52 00:03:11,669 --> 00:03:14,069 Nothing on top. On top of things. Yeah. 53 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:16,290 Wow, man. 54 00:03:16,679 --> 00:03:20,999 I've got something to hit right off the bat. All right. Unless 55 00:03:20,999 --> 00:03:27,029 you got anything. Eric, you want to jump into? No, no, I'm I want 56 00:03:27,029 --> 00:03:33,689 to talk about how awesome the tip jar is. Steven, get that 57 00:03:33,689 --> 00:03:34,109 working 58 00:03:34,860 --> 00:03:36,480 with the with the notes. 59 00:03:38,039 --> 00:03:40,979 Oh, with the Yeah, with the message and the 60 00:03:40,979 --> 00:03:45,959 message. Yes. Fantastic. I sent a message. I know he didn't get 61 00:03:45,959 --> 00:03:49,949 it. Oh, no. How would he get it? Can he read these messages? I 62 00:03:49,949 --> 00:03:51,659 don't know what his wallet is? I 63 00:03:51,660 --> 00:03:54,660 don't know. Um, I think he uses Satoshi stream. So he might 64 00:03:54,660 --> 00:03:58,290 he may be able to see it. Okay. Okay. Yeah, that was my first 65 00:03:58,290 --> 00:04:00,480 one. I'm like, oh, let me put this in here. I said thanks for 66 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,760 the name, check. Boom. 67 00:04:03,870 --> 00:04:06,600 Let's see. So I got I sent myself this is exactly what 68 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:13,350 we're talking about last show. I set myself to a 2112 boost. 69 00:04:14,490 --> 00:04:18,420 Sorry, I got so much paper here. I sent myself a 2112 boost is 70 00:04:18,420 --> 00:04:21,870 what came through with the original donation amount listed 71 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:27,090 with the app name and my message so it's got all the details that 72 00:04:27,090 --> 00:04:27,540 we need 73 00:04:27,570 --> 00:04:31,710 does also have a timestamp of when in the podcast. Oh my God. 74 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:38,160 That is so cool. Well, the cool 75 00:04:40,380 --> 00:04:46,920 oh, people understand the what this means. I mean, this is a 76 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:52,800 complete cut out of all middlemen. This goes straight in 77 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,100 this cut straight through and there's all the papers gone, 78 00:04:56,130 --> 00:05:00,270 Patreon are gone. all that crap is gone. This is a Straight 79 00:05:00,270 --> 00:05:06,030 donations directly from the users app to the podcasters. 80 00:05:06,060 --> 00:05:10,530 podcast wallet, yeah, with a message and an amount, and 81 00:05:10,530 --> 00:05:13,320 everything and nobody in between none. 82 00:05:14,070 --> 00:05:18,420 Nobody gets to see this. It's not even a year. It's not even a 83 00:05:18,420 --> 00:05:21,420 year and we dream this shit. This is fantastic. It's 84 00:05:21,420 --> 00:05:22,140 incredible. 85 00:05:23,190 --> 00:05:28,920 And because I've got a script now that I wrote, they can pull 86 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:33,900 these out. So if people donate to the show, using the tip jar, 87 00:05:33,900 --> 00:05:36,360 we can donate it, we can pull it out and read them on the show 88 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:37,350 just like a pay pal donate. 89 00:05:37,770 --> 00:05:42,900 So cool. Love that. Now when when is the split? It goes to 90 00:05:42,900 --> 00:05:46,920 both or multiple nodes the same? Oh, no, if it's a tip jar, then 91 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:48,780 it's just a one node typically, right? 92 00:05:49,020 --> 00:05:51,990 Well, he's got both. So he's got you can tip you can choose a 93 00:05:51,990 --> 00:05:57,390 person to tip a node to tip or you can go in there his other 94 00:05:57,390 --> 00:06:01,770 option is send do a do a donation to everybody at the 95 00:06:01,770 --> 00:06:05,400 same time with a message. Everybody gets the message 96 00:06:05,460 --> 00:06:07,830 I hadn't I hadn't seen that it wasn't apparent to me. 97 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,399 It's not it's a little and then this would be a criticism. 98 00:06:12,779 --> 00:06:13,829 This podcast 99 00:06:13,830 --> 00:06:14,640 app review 100 00:06:17,430 --> 00:06:21,420 color scheme on Curio caster, the black the grayscale makes 101 00:06:21,420 --> 00:06:25,110 things hard to it makes it hard to see when you're when there's 102 00:06:25,470 --> 00:06:29,460 other options. And so on the tip on the tab. 103 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:34,350 Oh, I see it there message boost? I got I got it. Holy 104 00:06:34,350 --> 00:06:39,750 crap. Now 500 characters is that the limit of the of the TLB? 105 00:06:39,750 --> 00:06:46,890 record? 1300 bytes is the limit to the TLB. Okay, that for me 106 00:06:46,890 --> 00:06:49,110 that's like and does not answering my question. 107 00:06:52,860 --> 00:06:57,270 What it's asking if it's an ASCII message, it would have you 108 00:06:57,270 --> 00:07:00,600 know, one byte per character, okay. It's like, you know, 109 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,630 Unicode or something this language, it would be multibyte. 110 00:07:03,660 --> 00:07:06,330 I'm not sure what the TLV is assuming? I'm assuming it's 111 00:07:06,330 --> 00:07:06,870 asking. 112 00:07:06,930 --> 00:07:09,240 Yeah, it would seem so. Well, 113 00:07:09,270 --> 00:07:13,860 I think at the bottom level UTF, even UTF, eight, I think at the 114 00:07:13,860 --> 00:07:16,470 ASCII level of UTF. Eight, correct me if I'm wrong, Eric, 115 00:07:16,470 --> 00:07:20,310 but I think those are single byte anyways, that right? I 116 00:07:20,310 --> 00:07:23,010 don't know. I'd have to look it up. I think that I think like 117 00:07:23,010 --> 00:07:27,030 the first 128 or whatever it is characters of UTF. Eight. 118 00:07:27,450 --> 00:07:30,810 believe those are just straight ASCII single byte characters 119 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:35,880 for context. One of the biggest things in podcast news this past 120 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:40,290 week, has been the fact that show notes now work in Apple. 121 00:07:41,910 --> 00:07:46,740 And here we are sending donations direct from listener 122 00:07:46,740 --> 00:07:50,370 in their app to the podcast or with a message with a timestamp. 123 00:07:51,090 --> 00:07:57,870 Way, way, way back up. Apple has show notes with HTML links back 124 00:07:57,870 --> 00:08:03,510 up. Why don't why didn't we lead off with that? Wait, I'm sorry. 125 00:08:04,350 --> 00:08:07,560 Dave hijack the show rundown. What can I tell you? Just 126 00:08:07,590 --> 00:08:11,280 burying the lede? You go ahead. 127 00:08:11,310 --> 00:08:18,660 That is that is the that's Yeah, that seven six to 9171 tip TLV I 128 00:08:18,660 --> 00:08:19,920 love it so yeah. 129 00:08:20,550 --> 00:08:25,770 And and I welcome the Reaganites who something weird happened 130 00:08:25,770 --> 00:08:29,010 when I was on Rogan this was the PR work week for me somehow 131 00:08:30,060 --> 00:08:31,500 you are all over the place, man. 132 00:08:31,830 --> 00:08:36,090 Yeah, and I just kept dropping podcasting 2.0 as much as I 133 00:08:36,900 --> 00:08:40,710 could on Rogan. But here's what was interesting. Cuz we were 134 00:08:40,710 --> 00:08:44,310 talking about mastodon at some point. I'm like, Oh, yeah, this 135 00:08:44,310 --> 00:08:47,790 is you gotta check it out. And it was interesting because Jamie 136 00:08:47,790 --> 00:08:50,070 fired it up. And the first thing he said is always like a Tweet 137 00:08:50,070 --> 00:08:54,840 Deck. Like, okay, how am I going to get beyond this? This remark 138 00:08:55,920 --> 00:09:00,300 but then he couldn't get to no agenda social calm I think he 139 00:09:00,300 --> 00:09:05,580 was doing www and who does that anymore but which doesn't 140 00:09:05,580 --> 00:09:09,420 resolve on our end. And then I said, I'll just try podcasts 141 00:09:09,420 --> 00:09:15,210 index dot social. So now I have about a 500 new followers on 142 00:09:15,210 --> 00:09:20,280 podcast, index that social and which is kind of cool. Because, 143 00:09:20,310 --> 00:09:23,550 you know, I don't post all that much. It's more responses, etc. 144 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:29,340 But, but now they're going to see the post of the show, and 145 00:09:29,340 --> 00:09:33,300 they go, Oh, wow, let's listen. And then they're gonna learn all 146 00:09:33,300 --> 00:09:34,290 about the tip 147 00:09:34,290 --> 00:09:38,640 TLV know exactly exactly what we want the introduction to the 148 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:39,900 show to be exactly. 149 00:09:42,510 --> 00:09:45,840 My thought was, because I listened to the show, I listened 150 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:51,660 to your Rogan appearance, and it harmed me internally to have to 151 00:09:51,660 --> 00:09:55,860 open the Spotify app to watch it. But I did it anyway for the 152 00:09:55,860 --> 00:09:57,540 show. You should have 153 00:09:57,540 --> 00:10:00,000 been on no agenda, social because all kinds of produce 154 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,940 Just came up with ways to avoid using the Spotify. And by the 155 00:10:02,940 --> 00:10:06,690 way, I don't I don't condone that at all I pay for my 156 00:10:06,690 --> 00:10:09,570 content. If I really want something, I'll go to the past. 157 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,270 I don't believe in privacy. That's just that's me 158 00:10:12,270 --> 00:10:15,480 personally. So you won't see me liking anybody who's ripped 159 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,010 defeat or anything like that. 160 00:10:17,970 --> 00:10:22,410 No, there was a couple of them that found direct Spotify links 161 00:10:22,410 --> 00:10:25,050 that he didn't need the app. You could get a direct from Spotify. 162 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:26,280 It wasn't a rip. It was 163 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,820 Oh, you kidding? Oh, I didn't know it was wrong. Spotify 164 00:10:29,820 --> 00:10:35,160 server? Oh, that's fair game, then. It was just no, I totally 165 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,650 agree with you. I don't I don't want pirated stuff. But at the 166 00:10:37,650 --> 00:10:42,660 same time, you know, but it was, but it was interesting. How many 167 00:10:42,660 --> 00:10:46,560 people like I can't listen, I won't listen, I hate Spotify. 168 00:10:47,190 --> 00:10:50,790 That's that's an interesting response. Even though a lot of 169 00:10:50,790 --> 00:10:53,280 people want to listen to it. And you Dave are clearly just a 170 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:54,060 turncoat. 171 00:10:54,629 --> 00:10:58,889 No, buckled. Well, they've didn't want to say anything, but 172 00:10:58,889 --> 00:11:01,889 they offered me an exclusive deal. Oh. 173 00:11:04,470 --> 00:11:07,530 And this is your last show. And yeah, I'm gonna 174 00:11:08,070 --> 00:11:10,650 have to say, please download the app. It's free. It's free. It's 175 00:11:11,820 --> 00:11:14,700 free. It's free. It's free. It's free to finish 176 00:11:14,700 --> 00:11:16,410 your thought. And then I do have some things to say about 177 00:11:16,410 --> 00:11:17,070 Spotify. 178 00:11:17,700 --> 00:11:21,180 Oh, yeah. So my first thought was, because you're sitting 179 00:11:21,180 --> 00:11:26,040 there talking about podcasting, 2.0, and streaming video 180 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,910 streaming, lightning, Bitcoin payment, and all this stuff. And 181 00:11:29,910 --> 00:11:35,010 I'm like, I wonder if I wonder how Spotify feels? Clearly that 182 00:11:35,010 --> 00:11:38,340 is their flagship show, they paid $100 million for it. He's 183 00:11:38,340 --> 00:11:42,690 the biggest show on Spotify. I wonder how they feel about their 184 00:11:42,690 --> 00:11:48,300 biggest show on Spotify. The championing an alternate, a 185 00:11:48,330 --> 00:11:52,020 clear, subversive competitor to everything that they're doing. 186 00:11:52,110 --> 00:11:54,420 Well, as you know, they listen to the show, and I got to, 187 00:11:54,570 --> 00:11:59,640 I think I can answer that for you. Yeah, first of all, I love 188 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,100 Joe for now, he doesn't even think about that. He doesn't 189 00:12:02,100 --> 00:12:02,880 think that way. 190 00:12:03,930 --> 00:12:05,730 He does not think Taylor never crossed his mind. 191 00:12:06,030 --> 00:12:08,430 He No, he does not think that right. And I was, you know, very 192 00:12:08,430 --> 00:12:15,150 cautious. I'm like, you know, but I forgot, just go for it. So 193 00:12:15,150 --> 00:12:21,660 I went to look at Spotify as q1 financial and management report 194 00:12:21,690 --> 00:12:25,830 of the first quarter of 2021. Cuz I wanted to see how they 195 00:12:25,980 --> 00:12:31,560 talk about Rogan and podcasting. So now, the way they report 196 00:12:31,560 --> 00:12:35,730 their numbers is year over year that I didn't see a quarter over 197 00:12:35,730 --> 00:12:39,540 quarter. So yeah, I mean, compared to first quarter 2020 198 00:12:39,540 --> 00:12:45,570 versus 2021. You know, Rogen stuff is obviously going to do 199 00:12:45,570 --> 00:12:49,710 better, because you know, yeah, just barely started in the in 200 00:12:49,710 --> 00:12:55,260 the first queue. So overall, it was interesting. But first of 201 00:12:55,260 --> 00:12:58,350 all, they never use the term podcasting anywhere in in any 202 00:12:58,350 --> 00:13:02,460 report any revenue, nothing. They only talk about the all 203 00:13:02,460 --> 00:13:06,570 encompassing audio platform where all things audio. So 204 00:13:06,570 --> 00:13:11,190 there's not a mention of podcasting. In the in the 205 00:13:11,190 --> 00:13:17,130 breakdown of the management report, there is a one line 206 00:13:17,130 --> 00:13:23,670 about Rogan new users for Rogan is up and we're very pleased 207 00:13:23,670 --> 00:13:27,930 with it. They did not give a number no percentage etc. Oddly, 208 00:13:27,930 --> 00:13:32,400 their ma use their monthly average users are down a little 209 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,190 bit really yeah, down a little bit. So I'm thinking that they 210 00:13:35,190 --> 00:13:38,040 may be converting people who are already customers, he can't 211 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,860 really decipher it from the language or at least I couldn't. 212 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,350 And it kind of dawned on me as I'm reading this report. Here, 213 00:13:46,350 --> 00:13:51,060 there's no breakout of of the money for podcasting. 214 00:13:51,660 --> 00:13:55,620 advertising revenues are up for them. But that I think is 215 00:13:55,620 --> 00:14:01,230 logical because more people want free. But also, you know, they 216 00:14:01,260 --> 00:14:05,400 they do have more people converting. So that makes sense. 217 00:14:05,790 --> 00:14:08,460 But I think we're giving them too much credence, they don't 218 00:14:08,460 --> 00:14:14,280 actually care. And they see themselves as the place for all 219 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:18,300 audio, kind of, they're kind of doing an apple in a way. It's 220 00:14:18,300 --> 00:14:22,350 like Apple has, you know, cool devices that keep you secure 221 00:14:22,380 --> 00:14:26,100 and, and make you feel good when you use them. And we change the 222 00:14:26,100 --> 00:14:29,700 world when you use them. And Spotify is anything by the way, 223 00:14:29,820 --> 00:14:34,020 nothing about video, which is kind of what Rogan's main 224 00:14:34,020 --> 00:14:38,430 audience driver, I would say is his video and shareable video 225 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:46,050 that was back on YouTube. To me, I don't think they actually even 226 00:14:46,050 --> 00:14:49,830 care about podcasting. You know, they want to form teams. So a 227 00:14:49,830 --> 00:14:53,730 cast is, you know, bring people in that way. And they still I 228 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:55,230 mean, anchor, the anchor, I'm sorry. 229 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,970 And they still oddly kind of talk about anchor as a you know, 230 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,410 As this business unit they get agreements with, I'm not quite 231 00:15:04,410 --> 00:15:08,850 sure how that worked, why it was stated that way. So when you 232 00:15:08,850 --> 00:15:13,590 kind of look at the changes in some of these hosts, or the, the 233 00:15:13,590 --> 00:15:17,490 the non interest for for podcasting, is because they're 234 00:15:17,490 --> 00:15:20,430 not in the podcasting business. They're in the audio business, 235 00:15:20,430 --> 00:15:23,610 and they believe that they can capture the entire world, just 236 00:15:23,610 --> 00:15:29,700 like Google does for search. We're Google for audio. And I 237 00:15:29,700 --> 00:15:34,500 love listening to, like Todd and Rob, because even though we know 238 00:15:34,500 --> 00:15:37,170 the hosting business, we don't really know the hosting business 239 00:15:37,170 --> 00:15:42,420 in the community. Yeah. And I hear that they also I mean, 240 00:15:42,450 --> 00:15:45,150 they're, they put it in a different way. But I think that, 241 00:15:45,270 --> 00:15:49,290 to me, the general message is, why do we even care about them, 242 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,230 it really doesn't matter. The only thing they can do, and the 243 00:15:52,230 --> 00:15:56,100 only thing the only thing they're interested in is picking 244 00:15:56,100 --> 00:16:01,230 up hits. So but as the as the place, oh, everyone's gonna use 245 00:16:01,230 --> 00:16:06,360 podcasts on Spotify. There's just no evidence for it. There's 246 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:07,410 no evidence for it. 247 00:16:08,340 --> 00:16:12,750 So how do they justify spending that much money though, Bro, I 248 00:16:12,780 --> 00:16:18,600 mean, money is free. There's so much money in the way Eric can 249 00:16:18,630 --> 00:16:22,530 jump in anytime you want. Eric, there's so much free money. I 250 00:16:22,530 --> 00:16:26,700 mean, here's what you do. You're Amazon, you're Jeff Bezos, you 251 00:16:26,700 --> 00:16:30,030 go to. I mean, if you're at that level, you borrow the money 252 00:16:30,030 --> 00:16:32,880 effectively for free, some people borrow it and then buy 253 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,150 bitcoin. That's the micro strategy. Some people borrow the 254 00:16:36,150 --> 00:16:41,760 money for free, and buy whole foods. Spotify, borrow the money 255 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:46,680 for free bought Rogen. That's what's going on there. But it 256 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:50,460 hits business by itself. If that was the only way to go, then 257 00:16:50,460 --> 00:16:54,570 we'd only have you know, RCA Records now. Now there would 258 00:16:54,570 --> 00:17:00,240 never be a Motown there would never be Interscope. So I'm 259 00:17:00,330 --> 00:17:03,870 quite pleased. I was like, you know, I think about it, who 260 00:17:03,870 --> 00:17:07,710 cares? It's really not that interesting. They'd certainly 261 00:17:07,710 --> 00:17:10,560 don't care. And I don't think they're stealing any real market 262 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:18,090 share. Except maybe from some of the companies who want to be in 263 00:17:18,090 --> 00:17:21,510 the advertising game, and they don't like it. That That stuff 264 00:17:21,510 --> 00:17:25,530 is, you know, that Spotify kind of controls the whole experience 265 00:17:25,530 --> 00:17:29,850 in the end the listener, but you know, it's not really that 266 00:17:29,850 --> 00:17:35,460 important. And look at our futures, you know, our features 267 00:17:35,460 --> 00:17:36,180 are killing it. 268 00:17:37,620 --> 00:17:42,060 Well, so that, well, the flip side of that is, why are we not 269 00:17:42,060 --> 00:17:43,470 getting more adoption of features? 270 00:17:43,830 --> 00:17:46,260 We don't have enough host supporting enough features. 271 00:17:46,530 --> 00:17:48,870 That's what I'm saying. Not on, why are there not enough? And we 272 00:17:48,870 --> 00:17:53,640 still could have more education. And I have on my notes here. Any 273 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:59,760 that is buzz cast or the what's the what's the libsyn cast? Or 274 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,300 the Yeah, but the blueberry cast or the new meet whatever it is, 275 00:18:03,300 --> 00:18:08,220 if, if, if I can if I can be of any assistance. I'm always very 276 00:18:08,220 --> 00:18:09,960 happy to go on and talk about stuff. 277 00:18:10,590 --> 00:18:15,810 Well, I wasn't. I was very happy that Jim at podcast one reached 278 00:18:15,810 --> 00:18:19,200 out to me. Oh, this is the podcast one. That's the norm. 279 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:19,710 pattice. 280 00:18:20,460 --> 00:18:25,200 I know norm pass. That's the the old radio guy. Yeah, very 281 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,570 successful. He had a huge radio and what did he have? Did he 282 00:18:27,570 --> 00:18:31,260 have premiere radio networks? Eric, do you remember? No, I 283 00:18:31,260 --> 00:18:37,050 don't remember. Why did we invite Eric today? Not for 284 00:18:37,050 --> 00:18:37,920 references. 285 00:18:39,510 --> 00:18:43,440 is for all your deep not your deep cut knowledge of radio, 286 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:51,780 radio, radio, and ASCII character. By all mean, hey, if 287 00:18:51,780 --> 00:18:56,640 you Melissa and Melissa will tell me some story about 288 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,250 something she and she's like, you know, tell me some story 289 00:18:59,250 --> 00:19:02,790 about some person in Argentina. And I'm like, I'm and I'll just 290 00:19:02,790 --> 00:19:04,860 be thinking about it and go off on something. And I'm like, 291 00:19:04,860 --> 00:19:09,720 Well, you know what, what is? What is the main National Export 292 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:14,400 of Argentina? She's like, I don't know. Where are you? I'm 293 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,830 sorry. I don't I don't mean it that I don't mean to put you on 294 00:19:16,830 --> 00:19:24,030 the spot. But now that I think of it, but yeah, he now what 295 00:19:24,030 --> 00:19:27,600 is Jim Jim is what's what's his position CTO? 296 00:19:28,170 --> 00:19:31,470 All right. All CTO? Yes. He he reached out to me on the 297 00:19:31,470 --> 00:19:35,220 mastodon and we said we're going to talk next week about them 298 00:19:35,250 --> 00:19:40,140 implementing some tags. And then which is which is fantastic. But 299 00:19:40,140 --> 00:19:43,260 then, you know, I was asking James Cridland um, you know, he 300 00:19:43,260 --> 00:19:48,870 posted this article from Ross Adams over diecast. Yeah. And 301 00:19:48,900 --> 00:19:51,930 Ross Adams was like singing the praises of open RSS. 302 00:19:52,050 --> 00:19:54,090 Yeah, I saw you tweeted I saw you tweet. 303 00:19:55,050 --> 00:19:58,170 me like I'm just a little bitter. I'm 304 00:19:58,170 --> 00:20:01,590 just a little block flomax. flomax flummoxed? Yes and 305 00:20:01,590 --> 00:20:04,350 foremost, if you're singing the praises of RSS, the 306 00:20:04,350 --> 00:20:07,020 extensibility through a namespace. And if you're talking 307 00:20:07,020 --> 00:20:10,290 about podcasting, it seems like you omitted something. And does 308 00:20:10,290 --> 00:20:12,360 he know, he must know about it? 309 00:20:12,870 --> 00:20:17,160 Oh, he has to, he has to know about me. And I reached reached 310 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:22,050 out to simplecast. radio silence, I reached out to pod 311 00:20:22,050 --> 00:20:27,900 bean, nothing. And I'm just, I'm just flummoxed as to why these, 312 00:20:28,380 --> 00:20:32,160 these hosting companies are like, dragging their feet, I 313 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,500 don't really get it. It seemed 314 00:20:35,970 --> 00:20:40,980 like, wow, you know, I think I pray, perhaps what will happen 315 00:20:40,980 --> 00:20:43,320 is someone's going to say, you know, we're just going to pull 316 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:47,160 ahead with this, you know, already you see buzzsprout, an 317 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:51,600 RSS calm and, you know, they're really, really pushing hard. But 318 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:57,990 and also, I'll be the first to recognize how difficult that 319 00:20:57,990 --> 00:21:02,850 actually is. If you just talk cloud chapters, to build an 320 00:21:02,850 --> 00:21:07,350 experience for podcasters to use that is understandable user, 321 00:21:07,710 --> 00:21:13,050 what we would call UX. It's not easy. So I'm, you know, for us, 322 00:21:13,050 --> 00:21:15,210 it's like, just give me a form. I just fill in the shit. I know 323 00:21:15,210 --> 00:21:17,610 what to do. Right? 324 00:21:17,790 --> 00:21:21,570 How would you know at first I was thinking, Well, is it? Is it 325 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:26,250 old? This? Is it. The Old Guard podcast hosts, they're dragging 326 00:21:26,250 --> 00:21:29,370 their feet, and versus the new ones that are hungry and ready 327 00:21:29,370 --> 00:21:32,880 to get no, that's not really know. The bus. I mean, bus has 328 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,610 been around since the very beginning. Lipson has been 329 00:21:35,610 --> 00:21:38,310 around since the very beginning. They don't have tags yet. But 330 00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:42,720 they at least are supporting the namespace. Yeah. Blueberry, 331 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,540 they've been around since the very beginning the foundation of 332 00:21:45,540 --> 00:21:48,420 podcasting, they're supporting it. And then you've got to you 333 00:21:48,420 --> 00:21:53,490 know, fireside captivate RSS Comm. transistor, those are 334 00:21:53,490 --> 00:21:58,020 about, you know, a mix of newer those. So I really don't know is 335 00:21:58,050 --> 00:22:03,660 it almost, it feels like, perhaps there's good, 336 00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:07,470 but what Well, what I what I feel. And what I've heard, is 337 00:22:07,470 --> 00:22:11,340 everyone is in some big, bigger app developers that we might 338 00:22:11,340 --> 00:22:14,520 know. They all they all say the same thing. Well, we're gonna 339 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,980 wait for some bigger guy to implement it first. And you had 340 00:22:16,980 --> 00:22:19,200 a great rant about that on a previous show. We know we don't 341 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,410 have to rehash it. But thank you. But you know, that's fine. 342 00:22:23,070 --> 00:22:27,000 Someone's somewhere someone's gonna go all out. And I saw the 343 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,760 WordPress plugin, which I believe works with blueberry 344 00:22:29,790 --> 00:22:33,840 added value for value support now. Yeah, value lock. Yep. 345 00:22:33,870 --> 00:22:39,120 Cool. Very cool. So what Tell me about a cast who owns a cast? 346 00:22:39,150 --> 00:22:40,710 Are they just their own thing? 347 00:22:41,970 --> 00:22:46,890 thinks they're their own thing? Don't know. That's a good 348 00:22:46,890 --> 00:22:52,230 question. Let me see if I can. Ross Adams is their CEO. I don't 349 00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:58,140 know who if anybody owns them. Is there There used to be this 350 00:22:58,140 --> 00:23:00,420 flow chart that will show you like who owned who in 351 00:23:00,420 --> 00:23:04,680 podcasting. But I don't know where you find that anymore. 352 00:23:05,550 --> 00:23:08,160 Well, they have Investor Relations. Are they public? 353 00:23:10,110 --> 00:23:15,600 Oh, gosh, are they? Are they public? Eric? There we go. 354 00:23:17,340 --> 00:23:23,550 Well, they're in Sweden. Okay. They're in Sweden. Okay. So they 355 00:23:23,550 --> 00:23:25,380 might be listened to? 356 00:23:26,580 --> 00:23:31,410 Why, okay, I have a different potential. Is it the case that 357 00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:34,320 the crypto involvement that causes hesitancy no 358 00:23:34,350 --> 00:23:37,680 being that now? Now, you don't have to implement that you don't 359 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:38,790 have to implement anything. 360 00:23:38,910 --> 00:23:41,580 But do they know that? That's what I'm saying it because it 361 00:23:41,580 --> 00:23:43,770 because, you know, we talked about it is you know, it's all 362 00:23:43,770 --> 00:23:47,010 part and parcel. So you get one you get the other? And I don't 363 00:23:47,250 --> 00:23:50,580 know if you see I'm saying like there's a distinction between 364 00:23:50,580 --> 00:23:55,230 all the other namespace tags. And then there's the leadership 365 00:23:55,230 --> 00:23:55,710 saying there's, 366 00:23:56,340 --> 00:24:01,920 and I understand, I think we can give people more credit. I mean, 367 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,610 if you're in the business, I think it's it's purely. Who are 368 00:24:05,610 --> 00:24:07,740 these guys? I think it's still Who are these guys? What are 369 00:24:07,740 --> 00:24:13,260 they doing? What's the deal? Oh, it's open source? I think that's 370 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,370 a lot of that. I mean, so right now, the smart people, and I 371 00:24:17,370 --> 00:24:21,870 would say some of them come from France. I know. I know. I know, 372 00:24:21,900 --> 00:24:27,420 I know, I'm showing my cards here. But when when the French 373 00:24:27,450 --> 00:24:32,340 Library Association says, Hey, this is the right this thing is 374 00:24:32,340 --> 00:24:34,590 the right thing to do. Let's reach out we want now what do 375 00:24:34,590 --> 00:24:36,690 they want, Eric? Because I'm not quite sure they want it to 376 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:42,240 access. They want. They want everything. Okay, what does that 377 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,420 understanding they want? They want to access their library. So 378 00:24:45,420 --> 00:24:47,460 they want that they want access to the database, 379 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,730 right? They don't need much permission for that. Do they? 380 00:24:50,910 --> 00:24:53,700 Are they just checking to see if they won't hammer us or what's 381 00:24:53,700 --> 00:24:54,120 the deal? 382 00:24:54,990 --> 00:24:58,110 I don't know what I mean, we're still early on, but just looking 383 00:24:58,110 --> 00:25:01,620 into what they're doing, and Just the initial emails, they 384 00:25:01,620 --> 00:25:05,910 want kind of an ongoing direct bulk access and because they 385 00:25:05,910 --> 00:25:09,570 want to their archivist, you know they want to, they want to 386 00:25:09,570 --> 00:25:10,680 have at all God. 387 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,790 Could they also be great? First of all, thanks to Benjamin 388 00:25:14,790 --> 00:25:18,360 Bellamy for jumping on that and totally and facilitating the 389 00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:21,360 communication, cuz I just I just picked it up from the General 390 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:24,570 infoed podcast index.org I'm looking I'm like, I think I know 391 00:25:24,570 --> 00:25:27,750 what they're asking throw to the Google Translate bank still 392 00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:29,340 don't know exactly what they're asking. 393 00:25:30,510 --> 00:25:35,520 Yeah, I picked up about 20% of what I was reading and then the 394 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,310 Benjamin Bellamy's response I picked up 0%. 395 00:25:39,450 --> 00:25:45,600 Yeah, yeah. Well, anyway, my point is, but my point is that 396 00:25:47,460 --> 00:25:51,870 those are people who are still have no budget, I'm sure. You 397 00:25:51,870 --> 00:25:55,860 know, they, they just survive on whatever their their existing 398 00:25:55,860 --> 00:26:00,720 budget is. You know, just for operating live, I've done a lot 399 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:05,940 for library love libraries, what's left of them. But they 400 00:26:05,940 --> 00:26:09,180 clearly see that this is a great way to go. 401 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,950 Well, it's a huge library. I mean, it's it is not I mean, 402 00:26:13,950 --> 00:26:18,570 it's like 70,000 books in this library. It's an enormous 403 00:26:18,570 --> 00:26:19,050 library. 404 00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:21,810 Is it just one library? Or is it a whole bunch of them? Or how 405 00:26:21,810 --> 00:26:22,710 does that work? You know, 406 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:27,870 my? Well, you know, from what I can tell, it's one specific, but 407 00:26:27,870 --> 00:26:30,210 it's an enormous library and in Switzerland, 408 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:35,040 is a Swiss. I thought it was in Paris. No, it's French speaking 409 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:35,460 Swiss. 410 00:26:36,540 --> 00:26:38,310 Ah, 411 00:26:38,340 --> 00:26:41,460 this is why the French was difficult. I got it. Correct. 412 00:26:43,290 --> 00:26:46,260 Oh, that's right. In Switzerland, there's like, four 413 00:26:46,260 --> 00:26:50,310 or five different dialects Italian. Yeah, that's right. 414 00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:51,990 Okay, now. Right. 415 00:26:52,500 --> 00:26:55,260 So a cast interesting, huh? 416 00:26:55,950 --> 00:27:00,720 No, no. I mean, a clear they clearly love RSS and are 417 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,330 committed to openness. So I'm assuming they'll show up at some 418 00:27:03,330 --> 00:27:03,660 point. 419 00:27:03,930 --> 00:27:09,270 What I like about podcast one is that this is the way I probably 420 00:27:09,270 --> 00:27:15,120 should have tried to do it at at pod show. Although I still, I 421 00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:18,330 still have my doubts. So that, you know, they purchased they 422 00:27:18,330 --> 00:27:21,240 bought a number of hits early on, I think Adam Carolla show. 423 00:27:23,730 --> 00:27:25,500 Just going back to podcast one 424 00:27:26,100 --> 00:27:27,840 over there. Is that correct? crolla? That, 425 00:27:27,870 --> 00:27:31,290 yeah, yeah, cuz he brought it in a couple of people, and they 426 00:27:31,290 --> 00:27:33,540 were stars, and we're going to create a network. And this was 427 00:27:33,540 --> 00:27:38,370 quite a while ago, not I think about it. So who knows how 428 00:27:38,370 --> 00:27:42,600 they're doing and they have some kind of advertising. They're 429 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,650 basically running it like radio. And so now, you have the 430 00:27:46,650 --> 00:27:51,480 launchpad one, which is what I thought Spotify was doing, which 431 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:56,580 they're not. Launchpad one is kind of like, you know, do your 432 00:27:56,580 --> 00:28:01,830 thing we'll help you with, with donations will take a 4% 433 00:28:01,830 --> 00:28:05,130 processing fee. So it's kind of a hybrid model. But definitely, 434 00:28:05,220 --> 00:28:07,800 I mean, it's going to be a farm team for them to see if anything 435 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,640 crops up. And in the meantime, they can really drive a lot of 436 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,210 innovation, because they're also the hosting company, you know, 437 00:28:15,210 --> 00:28:19,290 the hosting and the network. That's, that's, you know, in the 438 00:28:19,290 --> 00:28:23,340 end, they want to be open, and they only want 4%, I'd say 439 00:28:23,340 --> 00:28:26,910 they're serious players. And think about it, why don't they 440 00:28:26,910 --> 00:28:29,940 take 4% of a value block, that would be just as good for them. 441 00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:34,830 I wonder when other hosting companies will, will, because 442 00:28:34,830 --> 00:28:39,330 you think about networks, and hosts. But then there's a couple 443 00:28:39,330 --> 00:28:42,810 of these that are like both. Now wonder if eventually that's 444 00:28:42,810 --> 00:28:46,680 where everything will go is the host hosting companies will 445 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:51,240 begin to bring on begin to operate more like networks, 446 00:28:51,930 --> 00:28:55,260 I think I think a lot of them tried early on. And that's how 447 00:28:55,260 --> 00:28:59,370 they kind of also got into the advertising game. But you have 448 00:28:59,370 --> 00:29:02,760 to have so much scale and such big hits for the advertising 449 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,600 game. Whereas, you know, this is the way I see it. In essence, 450 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:11,910 it's a Patreon type back end that's bolted on to a hosting 451 00:29:11,910 --> 00:29:15,720 company that does have a promotional arm that can be used 452 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,920 if that promotional arm wants to. But in the meantime, the 453 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,520 value proposition you're getting i think is better than some of 454 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,180 the other free services because this is they're pretty honest 455 00:29:27,180 --> 00:29:29,670 upfront, they're not saying free free free for the saying hey, 456 00:29:29,850 --> 00:29:33,510 we're gonna help you make money want to take 4% of your of the 457 00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:34,260 transaction. 458 00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:37,620 What would keep somebody like buzzsprout from going out there 459 00:29:37,620 --> 00:29:42,150 and just finding a hot show and say and just doing a call and 460 00:29:42,150 --> 00:29:46,020 doing a deal? And saying okay, you're going to be you know, 461 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,960 you're going to be are essentially what they do with 462 00:29:49,020 --> 00:29:52,650 think pod land. I mean, pod land is brought to you by buzzsprout 463 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:57,360 make could they go out and get somebody like a you know, I 464 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:02,160 don't know just a hot podcast and This got not mega not not 465 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,570 Rogen says but but that middle tier is profitable making money 466 00:30:06,570 --> 00:30:09,330 and say, Okay, we'll do a, we'll do a deal with you. And then 467 00:30:09,330 --> 00:30:11,910 we're going to be but it's going to be brought to you by bus 468 00:30:11,910 --> 00:30:14,880 cast. You don't you don't go exclusive, you keep the RSS you 469 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,030 stay in the open ecosystem, but you begin to sort of build up a 470 00:30:18,030 --> 00:30:20,970 portfolio of like, mid level talent there. 471 00:30:21,090 --> 00:30:23,700 Yeah, but what is the goal? What is the goal? If you have just to 472 00:30:23,700 --> 00:30:27,180 hit this is just about money? Or is it bringing in more people 473 00:30:27,180 --> 00:30:30,270 because you have an offer? By the way, I would advise against 474 00:30:30,270 --> 00:30:34,170 it. Okay, what they do, what they do is not I mean, they have 475 00:30:34,170 --> 00:30:38,550 a marketing budget, and they spread stuff around. And they do 476 00:30:38,550 --> 00:30:43,020 that I think they do that very wisely. And in targeted places. 477 00:30:43,020 --> 00:30:45,780 You know, where, where do you want? Where do you think 478 00:30:45,780 --> 00:30:48,930 podcasters may want to hear about hosting features? Well, 479 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:54,150 pod land? That would be a good one. Yeah, but maybe, but maybe 480 00:30:54,150 --> 00:30:59,940 not. I mean, the Rogen thing is not comparable to me. And you 481 00:30:59,940 --> 00:31:02,550 can see it that there's no metrics, they really don't the 482 00:31:02,550 --> 00:31:06,180 only metric is Yeah, we got new people using the podcast or not 483 00:31:06,180 --> 00:31:11,430 even that new people. Consuming I there's I don't have in front 484 00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:15,270 of me. But it's like okay, conversions for Rogan. But yet 485 00:31:15,270 --> 00:31:19,680 overall, monthly, average use is down. or average, average 486 00:31:19,740 --> 00:31:21,540 monthly average users is down. 487 00:31:22,530 --> 00:31:24,630 One thing I thought was interesting on this shit hold 488 00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:28,170 on is that users are usage. Eric, Ma, you 489 00:31:30,060 --> 00:31:33,690 thought it was users? I think its users to max for sure. Now. 490 00:31:35,550 --> 00:31:38,880 I know. And the other thing, are they kind of trying to 491 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:45,270 monthly active users and Okay, monthly active users now. So I 492 00:31:45,270 --> 00:31:48,750 think their stuff is changing, you know, something, something 493 00:31:48,750 --> 00:31:54,090 is definitely up these companies mature. This had not paid 494 00:31:54,090 --> 00:31:57,210 attention to podcast one for a long, long time. In fact, when I 495 00:31:57,210 --> 00:32:01,050 heard the pod land episode, I'm like, well, this guy's cruisin 496 00:32:01,050 --> 00:32:04,170 for a lawsuit. How can you call it podcast? One one that already 497 00:32:04,170 --> 00:32:04,890 exists? 498 00:32:06,750 --> 00:32:07,770 Today, it was the same guy. 499 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,550 Yeah. Well, he was talking about launch pad one. But that's okay. 500 00:32:11,550 --> 00:32:15,600 This is the flip side to podcast one. That's they must have 501 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,550 bought that. Did they buy the the launch pad? Have they 502 00:32:17,550 --> 00:32:18,960 created themselves? I think 503 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,000 they just found it themselves. And 504 00:32:21,030 --> 00:32:24,900 that's another reason why the CTO can call you and say, Hey, 505 00:32:25,290 --> 00:32:27,930 you know, I'm interested because I actually know how this thing 506 00:32:27,930 --> 00:32:31,800 works. I don't have to talk to a team that we bought. Yeah, I can 507 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,310 talk to you know, my main guys or gals? peoples. 508 00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:43,380 Yeah. So that kind of goes off. Do you want to talk about 509 00:32:43,620 --> 00:32:47,730 anything about the new site? Eric, do you want to? Cuz I 510 00:32:47,730 --> 00:32:50,010 mean, it's kind of it's kind of related. I mean, we, you're in 511 00:32:50,010 --> 00:32:52,890 the homestretch of that thing right now. And this would be, 512 00:32:53,820 --> 00:32:57,660 this is a way for, we're hoping that the new site will be able 513 00:32:57,660 --> 00:33:02,280 to interface with a lot of this stuff where the where the 514 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,480 holsters can't necessarily do the value block. This is what 515 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,320 this is going to help with. You want to sort of go into that at 516 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:16,530 all? Yeah, I mean, where to start? Well, where? How far? How 517 00:33:16,530 --> 00:33:20,580 far? How far away? Do you think it is? A couple weeks? Maybe? 518 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:27,060 Um, yeah, I'd say, depending on how testing goes. But I'd say 519 00:33:27,060 --> 00:33:29,490 yeah, week, week and a half, when we can have we can start 520 00:33:29,490 --> 00:33:30,180 rolling some stuff. 521 00:33:30,330 --> 00:33:34,050 This is a type of rollout that goes all in one or do we sack do 522 00:33:34,050 --> 00:33:35,250 section by section, 523 00:33:36,270 --> 00:33:39,810 we're going to, well, kind of like, you know, we'll probably 524 00:33:39,810 --> 00:33:45,630 roll the front end side up. And the admin will get rolled out at 525 00:33:45,630 --> 00:33:48,630 least the admin with a lot of a lot of the features kind of 526 00:33:48,780 --> 00:33:53,580 coming on board over time. Because it can be kind of like, 527 00:33:53,580 --> 00:33:55,950 yeah, we're gonna switch out, roll out the platforms, and then 528 00:33:55,950 --> 00:33:58,230 kind of just start adding and turning on the things that are 529 00:33:58,230 --> 00:34:00,600 kind of being built and tested as we go, because there's a lot 530 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,280 of pieces of the puzzle coming together. 531 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,380 And can you tell us about that? So the admin what, what is just 532 00:34:07,380 --> 00:34:11,760 the general idea of, of podcast index, having an admin at all? 533 00:34:11,790 --> 00:34:15,420 Who is this for? Is it for all users? What can you do? What, 534 00:34:15,420 --> 00:34:18,300 what is the purpose? Do you need to have it? Is that enough 535 00:34:18,300 --> 00:34:18,960 questions? 536 00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:21,449 Take all of those. 537 00:34:22,499 --> 00:34:26,579 Yeah. Okay. So first, so the admin is kind of the same way 538 00:34:26,579 --> 00:34:29,009 that you have an admin for Google, it's like you can go in 539 00:34:29,009 --> 00:34:32,489 you can. So the idea is the podcaster can go and see how 540 00:34:32,489 --> 00:34:35,909 we're managing their feeds, they can update us directly. And in 541 00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:39,689 the case of the value block, if they have a host that doesn't 542 00:34:39,689 --> 00:34:44,879 support, you know, they can't edit their feed, they can tell 543 00:34:44,909 --> 00:34:50,189 us which then we tell the 2.0 apps when they query gives the 544 00:34:50,189 --> 00:34:52,979 value block information so we can kind of bolt on and 545 00:34:52,979 --> 00:34:57,719 supplement and enable them to be to do the value block and start 546 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,499 streaming payments when they're home. isn't necessarily up to 547 00:35:01,499 --> 00:35:05,909 speed yet on the 2.0 namespace. Excellent. And so yeah, that's, 548 00:35:05,939 --> 00:35:09,509 that's the admin. And then obviously, that would be where 549 00:35:09,509 --> 00:35:13,829 we would start delivering stats and reporting that we have 550 00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:18,299 access to and help supplement and give them information 551 00:35:18,299 --> 00:35:21,779 related to their podcasts and preferably maybe even query 552 00:35:21,779 --> 00:35:24,449 stats. So they can see, just like Google, you can see how 553 00:35:24,449 --> 00:35:27,029 many times you know, people are querying and stuff like that. 554 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:35,340 Now, for the for the listen side. So when when people show 555 00:35:35,340 --> 00:35:40,590 up, and you know, obviously you can search and that's something 556 00:35:40,590 --> 00:35:44,670 that people may not be showing up for, or they are, how do we 557 00:35:44,670 --> 00:35:49,920 work in the right off the bat get, I really think we need to 558 00:35:49,950 --> 00:35:54,360 find a way to get people to want to try a new app. And maybe it's 559 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:59,040 just as simple as saying, try a podcasting two point app. Now. 560 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,080 Right at the top right, now just land and then take it to a page. 561 00:36:05,940 --> 00:36:11,460 Which ideally, I would say, the developers themselves manage 562 00:36:11,490 --> 00:36:17,550 their own detail of what to do. Yeah, sorry, 563 00:36:17,579 --> 00:36:22,139 which is, yeah, I mean that because in my head, and this is 564 00:36:22,139 --> 00:36:28,739 going to be kind of the we're running. We need to still handle 565 00:36:28,739 --> 00:36:32,099 and onboard listeners, even though we're not providing an 566 00:36:32,099 --> 00:36:36,299 app, we're provide, you know, we're delivering content and the 567 00:36:36,299 --> 00:36:39,269 app. And so listeners are gonna come to us to look for 568 00:36:39,539 --> 00:36:42,269 potentially both new things to listen to, or to find their 569 00:36:42,269 --> 00:36:45,959 podcast or find a new app. And so yeah, we do need to in that 570 00:36:45,959 --> 00:36:49,529 listen page, we do have to, we really want to push the we want 571 00:36:49,529 --> 00:36:52,349 to push the apps and say, Okay, yeah, you look your pod your, 572 00:36:52,349 --> 00:36:55,439 your, your podcast, that you listen to her here, here's some 573 00:36:55,439 --> 00:36:58,139 more that you might be interested in. Oh, yeah. Look at 574 00:36:58,139 --> 00:37:02,009 all the features that 2.0 delivers for you as a listener, 575 00:37:02,669 --> 00:37:07,319 you know, and why you should be using a 2.0 app, and then 576 00:37:07,319 --> 00:37:08,489 supporting your podcast this 577 00:37:08,490 --> 00:37:14,580 way, can we do a platform query so that we, when you get an app, 578 00:37:14,580 --> 00:37:20,160 it sends someone to a page that has the apps? So if you're iOS, 579 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:24,660 you get iOS? and web apps? Yeah, easily. That's the thing. That's 580 00:37:24,660 --> 00:37:27,660 probably a cool idea. Because it's so much easier for from a 581 00:37:27,660 --> 00:37:32,010 user perspective than kind of hunting around which one? Yeah, 582 00:37:32,010 --> 00:37:35,610 they always have their Android apps, desktop apps this way. But 583 00:37:35,610 --> 00:37:37,680 I think web apps should be included in every search, 584 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,000 obviously, as a result, 585 00:37:40,110 --> 00:37:43,260 once the once the value block goes in, so just so people are 586 00:37:43,260 --> 00:37:49,200 clear, this is this, the onboarding site that Eric is, is 587 00:37:49,620 --> 00:37:52,110 in the homestretch of building here is going to be a 588 00:37:52,110 --> 00:37:56,910 replacement for podcast or podcast index.org and podcast or 589 00:37:56,910 --> 00:38:01,170 wallet, both, right, it's gonna take those two things and merge 590 00:38:01,170 --> 00:38:06,060 them into one coherent site, where, if you're a podcaster, 591 00:38:06,060 --> 00:38:11,970 you can go and claim claim your feet in the index, and then 592 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,660 insert the value block for yourself with splits and all 593 00:38:15,660 --> 00:38:22,140 that jazz. And then also get in the next step would be at 594 00:38:22,140 --> 00:38:26,610 redirect, you know, shown where an app is that will support 2.0. 595 00:38:26,970 --> 00:38:30,600 So if that, if that's the case, then what you could do is you 596 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:35,310 could like, have a list of apps there and click on it or tap on 597 00:38:35,310 --> 00:38:38,850 it or whatever, then it kicks you out to an app with your 598 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:40,380 podcast pre loaded. 599 00:38:40,410 --> 00:38:41,880 Yeah. Nice. 600 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,870 Like, because they're almost all the apps now support, you know, 601 00:38:45,870 --> 00:38:50,130 hotlinking or deep linking directly into a show from the 602 00:38:50,130 --> 00:38:51,930 link right now would be pretty cool. 603 00:38:52,620 --> 00:38:56,400 You know, one day my dream will come true where the podcasts 604 00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:01,110 are, maintains their podcast feed in the same app that is 605 00:39:01,110 --> 00:39:02,550 consumed in one day. 606 00:39:03,180 --> 00:39:05,340 The wiziwig Yeah, like Microsoft 607 00:39:05,340 --> 00:39:08,550 Word, you know, you write it in Word, you read it in Word. 608 00:39:10,290 --> 00:39:15,030 Well, I think on the on the podcast, Detail page, on the 609 00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:18,510 listen side, we can actually just do all of the podcasts We 610 00:39:18,510 --> 00:39:23,550 are, we are well, I added or started building in the kind of 611 00:39:23,550 --> 00:39:26,790 the directory so that the apps can go in to update their 612 00:39:26,790 --> 00:39:29,940 information, their links, they'll go Good, good, good. 613 00:39:29,940 --> 00:39:33,300 And, and but but also, I built it into the directory as 614 00:39:33,300 --> 00:39:36,840 categories. So if we have a wallet provider or a node 615 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,900 provider, or a web host, they can put their stuff in so that 616 00:39:39,900 --> 00:39:43,080 people so both the podcaster and listener side can find the 617 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:47,430 relevant good both both for the on ramp and for just when 618 00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:51,120 they're on the site. So on the detail page for a podcast, we 619 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,850 can have all the links to the podcast like here, here's here's 620 00:39:53,850 --> 00:39:57,210 all the 2.0 apps and here's the link and then and then do a days 621 00:39:57,210 --> 00:40:00,210 at which is then we can go right into their app right and say I'm 622 00:40:00,210 --> 00:40:02,220 right there, right and onboard them right into 623 00:40:02,220 --> 00:40:04,590 the app. So, God, that's cool. 624 00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:08,820 So I've got an idea that I got it, I got kicked, check this 625 00:40:08,820 --> 00:40:11,640 out. So whenever a pilot 626 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:16,650 says, check this out, you know, you're gonna die. Hold my beer. 627 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:24,090 The they, okay, so in the future, once we get, once we get 628 00:40:24,090 --> 00:40:30,660 this thing stable, then because we are talking about, the way 629 00:40:30,660 --> 00:40:32,760 this is gonna work is you're gonna have the onboarding side, 630 00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:35,700 and then you're going to put in your value block. And it's going 631 00:40:35,700 --> 00:40:41,040 to call a private API back to the index that will allow 632 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,010 whatever your value block is that you put in and allow it to 633 00:40:44,010 --> 00:40:47,070 be stuck directly into your feed, as we know it in the 634 00:40:47,070 --> 00:40:51,150 index. So that correct podcast apps to use us can get your 635 00:40:51,150 --> 00:40:56,250 value block out. So step two in the future, once this stuff's 636 00:40:56,250 --> 00:41:02,970 working in Java, and is that we can go to the host, and update 637 00:41:02,970 --> 00:41:08,970 the host. So like, yes, yes, proxy sexy mobis. Proud allows 638 00:41:09,180 --> 00:41:13,380 custom, like you can, you can open a support ticket and put in 639 00:41:13,380 --> 00:41:17,250 accussed. And they will put in custom XML for you. So we could 640 00:41:17,250 --> 00:41:21,690 work with with the hosts, like in this case, buzzsprout to 641 00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:26,790 maybe develop a private API, where we can handle Yeah, yeah, 642 00:41:27,060 --> 00:41:29,250 here's a P, here's the piece of XML. And you don't have to open 643 00:41:29,250 --> 00:41:32,130 up a support ticket and have to sift through some review process 644 00:41:32,130 --> 00:41:33,270 or something like that. Maybe, but 645 00:41:33,630 --> 00:41:37,020 so used to just handing back to the entire namespace elements 646 00:41:37,020 --> 00:41:38,790 with just the XML block, or, 647 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:40,710 yeah, just the value for the value. 648 00:41:41,340 --> 00:41:44,160 The value the value tag. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Good. Good. Good. 649 00:41:44,670 --> 00:41:47,670 Yeah, it's almost like hard paying for value blocks. Yeah. 650 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,540 Right. It's my first time, reverse piping, 651 00:41:51,660 --> 00:41:58,110 or rpp. I want to I want to emphasize my Eric, I really 652 00:41:58,110 --> 00:42:00,720 appreciate the amount of work you're putting into doing this. 653 00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:03,570 I mean, this is not trivial, certainly on some of the stats 654 00:42:03,570 --> 00:42:06,360 side and stuff that you've been working on for, for the 655 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,920 podcasters. It's a lot of work. And it's kind of fun to see you 656 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:18,510 and Dave doing that on the on our signal chat. I just sit 657 00:42:18,510 --> 00:42:18,930 back. 658 00:42:21,030 --> 00:42:25,230 It's figuring out how to how to make some of these things happen 659 00:42:25,230 --> 00:42:29,040 with the parameters we have with lightning and everything else to 660 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:29,700 is kind of a 661 00:42:31,470 --> 00:42:36,510 because you're talking about doing stats from both 662 00:42:36,510 --> 00:42:40,350 directions. So like, if it's an lm pay, hosted wallet, you could 663 00:42:40,350 --> 00:42:44,250 get stats through that. Or if the if there have a private 664 00:42:44,250 --> 00:42:47,940 node, they could provide you with a macaroon. And then you 665 00:42:47,940 --> 00:42:50,880 could pull the stats off off of their thing. I mean, that's 666 00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:53,250 coming down the line. But like, you're you're talking about 667 00:42:53,250 --> 00:42:55,770 going both directions with it to get some stats, 668 00:42:56,579 --> 00:42:59,189 right. So that podcasters, I don't, because again, we're 669 00:42:59,189 --> 00:43:02,999 trying to, you know, if they want to go and pay route, and go 670 00:43:02,999 --> 00:43:05,579 the non custodial if they want to go, you know, or custodial. 671 00:43:05,579 --> 00:43:08,819 And if they want to, you know, do that run their own, or 672 00:43:08,819 --> 00:43:11,459 whatever we can. And even if they don't want to do value 673 00:43:11,459 --> 00:43:14,189 enable, we can still hopefully give them as much stats and data 674 00:43:14,189 --> 00:43:18,659 as we can give them. So it's all consolidated. And you've already 675 00:43:18,659 --> 00:43:20,969 got this tasty stream thing. 676 00:43:20,999 --> 00:43:22,979 I mean, like, I think you showed me that this morning, right? 677 00:43:23,609 --> 00:43:26,219 Yeah, no, that part's done. So people can onboard on the 678 00:43:26,219 --> 00:43:28,259 Satoshi stream straight off direct. 679 00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:32,040 Oh, really. And it connects and it works. And you get all the 680 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:33,930 data or how does that how does that function? 681 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,320 We were no, we're not pulling data from Satoshi stream right 682 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,440 now. But we are onboarding. So if somebody wants 683 00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:46,080 Ah, yes, plus, yes, yes. Gotcha, gotcha. Right. So you have front 684 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,890 to back, someone showing up saying, Yeah, I want to, I want 685 00:43:49,890 --> 00:43:55,560 to value for value enable, my feed is a verification, and then 686 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,240 you choose the Toshi streams, and it 687 00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,299 works. And then it's hooked up. And then we give them the next 688 00:44:00,299 --> 00:44:03,449 step per Satoshi streams instructions. And then they go, 689 00:44:03,569 --> 00:44:06,329 they they take the next steps to go finish what they need to do 690 00:44:06,329 --> 00:44:09,719 relative to that vendor. And if we have another vendor comes 691 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,379 along, they can get plugged into the on ramp as well. Nice. 692 00:44:13,650 --> 00:44:15,780 Yeah. And I think that that's something that people need to 693 00:44:15,780 --> 00:44:19,740 understand is that number one, the XML, the value blog, and 694 00:44:19,740 --> 00:44:23,070 everything in the namespace is all it's all open. We don't we 695 00:44:23,070 --> 00:44:28,680 don't control it. No. But then the number two is that we, we 696 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:33,300 make our 1% off of the whole thing. We make that through our 697 00:44:33,300 --> 00:44:38,310 relationship with apps. And so anything on the back end, like 698 00:44:38,340 --> 00:44:45,150 Satoshi stream, or LMP, or voltage or anybody can do these 699 00:44:45,150 --> 00:44:50,370 things on the back end. And it's not any sort of skin off our 700 00:44:50,370 --> 00:44:55,050 back at all. That's the more the more pathways to onboarding the 701 00:44:55,050 --> 00:44:55,920 better the 702 00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,000 better. Yeah. 703 00:44:57,929 --> 00:45:00,089 Yes, there's no there's no yeah, there's no there's no The 704 00:45:00,089 --> 00:45:03,539 siloing going on on the back of our system. It's purely just 705 00:45:03,899 --> 00:45:07,169 onboard as many people as you can get, because that's how you 706 00:45:07,169 --> 00:45:09,299 grow the system. Last night 707 00:45:11,460 --> 00:45:17,610 Tina and I went to the Max Max and Stacy Kaiser f Ilan added 708 00:45:17,610 --> 00:45:19,650 that party in Austin. 709 00:45:20,099 --> 00:45:21,809 So Stacy had orange hair 710 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:30,060 yeah and Max wars Bitcoin swimming trunks Well, the I 711 00:45:30,060 --> 00:45:33,870 mean, it was it was kind of exactly what you'd expect from 712 00:45:33,900 --> 00:45:38,820 from you know a hastily organized punk bash kind of 713 00:45:38,820 --> 00:45:44,430 thing. It was the right place the the spider spider Ballroom 714 00:45:44,430 --> 00:45:48,660 in in Austin is perfect you know they have poetry slams and drag 715 00:45:48,690 --> 00:45:55,140 drag competitions. What was interesting to me is the amount 716 00:45:55,140 --> 00:45:58,560 of people now mind you this of course is a Bitcoin crowd but 717 00:45:58,590 --> 00:46:03,420 even the Bitcoin crowd You know, there's so a lot of exposure 718 00:46:03,420 --> 00:46:07,050 that all of this needs. A lot of people were talking about 719 00:46:07,050 --> 00:46:10,140 streaming satoshis a lot of them and that's what they stream in 720 00:46:10,140 --> 00:46:11,100 SATs man. I love it. 721 00:46:12,389 --> 00:46:13,019 That's cool. 722 00:46:13,020 --> 00:46:16,980 Yeah, it really then I got to talk about it with Stacey for 723 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,640 you know what interesting, because what she really 724 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,010 highlighted what she knows is crowd, it's their is their 725 00:46:23,010 --> 00:46:28,590 audience was f the middleman. People love that aspect of it. 726 00:46:29,070 --> 00:46:33,420 They think what your take so even Patreon. Yeah, like as 727 00:46:33,420 --> 00:46:39,540 Patreon okay? Because the whole idea of the middleman is 728 00:46:39,540 --> 00:46:43,050 something that this group, and I'd say they're all kind of the 729 00:46:43,050 --> 00:46:49,380 same age now. They're all older millennials. 25 to 35 in that 730 00:46:49,380 --> 00:46:52,350 range, they all they're sick of it to seek out the middleman. 731 00:46:52,350 --> 00:46:54,240 They love this idea of freedom. 732 00:46:55,409 --> 00:47:01,889 Well, it's, it's, it's an it's also a total privacy as well, 733 00:47:01,949 --> 00:47:06,329 because I don't know did y'all? If y'all listen to that? I think 734 00:47:06,329 --> 00:47:11,639 it's Dutch. The event name that you saw, it's one of the Bitcoin 735 00:47:11,639 --> 00:47:15,299 magazine podcasts. I think it's called the 736 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:16,590 is that the one marnix 737 00:47:17,310 --> 00:47:21,600 the one it's like, Van we're dumb. Wish worse. NATO. 738 00:47:23,340 --> 00:47:25,650 Van Norden. Shark NATO. Yeah. 739 00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:32,700 Yeah, that was my Dutch. Dutch. Yeah, that was my Dutch. Hold 740 00:47:32,700 --> 00:47:32,910 on. 741 00:47:32,940 --> 00:47:35,370 It would be in the breeze app. Right. I could find it in 742 00:47:36,210 --> 00:47:43,380 once that it's a VA n. w RDUM. Yvonne von leerdam 743 00:47:43,739 --> 00:47:45,239 convierte Vir dumb Yeah. 744 00:47:45,869 --> 00:47:47,909 Oh, they see their beard. 745 00:47:48,599 --> 00:47:54,809 Pretty big. SJ Oh yeah. Schorsch NATO, that is actually funny. 746 00:47:55,439 --> 00:48:00,809 That Schorsch is a Dutch name. And, and he's actually making a 747 00:48:00,809 --> 00:48:05,969 play on Shark NATO by saying shores NATO. Okay, yeah. 748 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:11,460 Yeah, that show I think I sent you a link. He had a, they did a 749 00:48:11,460 --> 00:48:14,190 special with one of the lightning lightning core 750 00:48:14,190 --> 00:48:19,410 developers about channels, and how the channels work in it was 751 00:48:19,590 --> 00:48:26,430 excellent. I really and and I recommend anybody to go and 752 00:48:26,430 --> 00:48:30,180 listen to that episode. He was fantastic. Because they go into 753 00:48:30,300 --> 00:48:37,980 every detail of the way channel routing works. And in how, how 754 00:48:37,980 --> 00:48:45,210 the how the failures inform the route in the future. And so 755 00:48:45,210 --> 00:48:49,440 everything is done through routing pairs. So he had to, if 756 00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:54,960 a pair of nodes fail, then that pair will be demoted for future. 757 00:48:56,040 --> 00:49:01,110 Oh, wow. This is the technical side of Bitcoin, the van veeram. 758 00:49:01,110 --> 00:49:05,250 shores, NATO. And it's the lightning network routing 759 00:49:05,250 --> 00:49:09,330 Episode 41 up with that in the show notes. 760 00:49:09,690 --> 00:49:15,540 Okay. Yeah. Excellent material. And one of the things here 761 00:49:15,540 --> 00:49:20,130 because we were trying to find, as part of our stats stuff, we 762 00:49:20,130 --> 00:49:26,310 were trying to find the source of the data source pub key for 763 00:49:26,310 --> 00:49:27,780 who initiated the payment. 764 00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:29,040 Right, right. Right. 765 00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:34,560 I remember the chat and in listening to the in depth of the 766 00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:38,340 routing. Now I know what we can't find that is because every 767 00:49:38,340 --> 00:49:39,960 step of the chain is private. 768 00:49:40,500 --> 00:49:44,040 Yes, yeah, that's right. But this you can find out some 769 00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,470 stuff, but you're never gonna get down to that or not easily 770 00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:48,960 want to get down to that level without some external data. 771 00:49:49,409 --> 00:49:52,859 Yeah, all you know, is is sort of the last hop in the chain. 772 00:49:53,399 --> 00:50:00,179 Yes. And so, I mean, like that is that's another reason why You 773 00:50:00,179 --> 00:50:03,359 know, people would get excited about this as your you've 774 00:50:03,359 --> 00:50:06,779 gotten, you know, you've got the ability to, to make payments and 775 00:50:06,779 --> 00:50:11,129 agreements between the two private parties, but then you 776 00:50:11,129 --> 00:50:15,419 don't really know how to track it, you can't really excuse me, 777 00:50:15,419 --> 00:50:21,119 you really can't track it. As in order to man in the middle, so 778 00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:25,049 to speak, right, you can't jump in between and become some 779 00:50:25,229 --> 00:50:30,989 proxy. So you've got that all that sort of ultimate good. 780 00:50:32,250 --> 00:50:34,650 Here's the flip side to that, which is then it makes record 781 00:50:34,650 --> 00:50:40,320 keeping in, and the accounting side, kind of a pain in the ass. 782 00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,080 There's also next to impossible. There's also 783 00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,680 another aspect to it, which we've already seen in society, I 784 00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,680 love the history of money. And one thing that I just can't read 785 00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:54,690 enough of, is the perception of money, and different types of 786 00:50:54,690 --> 00:50:58,350 money and how coin is perceived. And there's all kinds of reasons 787 00:50:58,350 --> 00:51:01,800 why coins are the way they are, or the way bills are the way 788 00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,950 they are. It's not just for security, it's how people feel 789 00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:08,670 about them and how they attach value and all these Enya we move 790 00:51:08,670 --> 00:51:12,210 over to Venmo very different type of value. And what they 791 00:51:12,210 --> 00:51:17,520 feel is for big money or little money. This is yet another kind 792 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:23,460 of evolution of value transfer that we've been used to putting 793 00:51:23,460 --> 00:51:27,750 a credit card on file with someone and then either it's all 794 00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:31,770 you can eat or you you pay per time you go this is yet 795 00:51:31,770 --> 00:51:34,320 something something else altogether. It's like now I'm 796 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,570 activating a payment with a press of a button. 797 00:51:39,270 --> 00:51:44,940 Yeah, that that's the the that's what got me so jazzed when I saw 798 00:51:44,940 --> 00:51:49,710 the Curio caster tip jar thing this morning. Sounds like it's 799 00:51:49,710 --> 00:51:50,340 like, wow, 800 00:51:50,489 --> 00:51:51,359 I hit this. 801 00:51:51,449 --> 00:51:55,319 Yeah, all sudden, I was like, Oh, my God, this is like, this 802 00:51:55,319 --> 00:51:59,369 is the dream. I mean, like this is literally even more so than 803 00:51:59,369 --> 00:52:03,149 the per minute streaming, being able to go and just do a direct 804 00:52:03,149 --> 00:52:06,899 payment. And there was no, there was no invoices involved. 805 00:52:06,959 --> 00:52:10,559 Nothing like that. It's just, here's a person. I can just pay 806 00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:14,429 them just squirt some SATs. Yeah. But you know 807 00:52:14,430 --> 00:52:17,550 what, when people start to do music with this, and there was 808 00:52:17,700 --> 00:52:20,370 actually there was a developer yesterday who approached me 809 00:52:20,370 --> 00:52:25,560 said, Hey, man, I'm I do. I think it's probably what's the 810 00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,680 cross platform? Saying for apps? 811 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,710 Like that? flutter? flutter? flutter 812 00:52:31,710 --> 00:52:35,430 flutter? Yeah, thank you. And, you know, you guys need any 813 00:52:35,460 --> 00:52:37,860 developers. First of all, we always need people who know how 814 00:52:37,860 --> 00:52:40,500 to develop, and please, you know, just join us. Let's see 815 00:52:40,500 --> 00:52:42,600 what you can do. today. I'm really interested in music. It's 816 00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:47,370 a perfect, make a music app. And then can you just imagine you'd 817 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,470 hit the tip jar for a guitar solo? 818 00:52:50,099 --> 00:52:50,939 No, man, it 819 00:52:50,940 --> 00:52:53,970 can be synced right to the guitar solo. 820 00:52:54,629 --> 00:52:57,359 I mean, there's no information on that. Okay. 821 00:52:57,389 --> 00:53:01,439 I was just gonna say, Yeah, I love having the two of you with 822 00:53:01,439 --> 00:53:05,129 these conversations, because, you know, on the one hand, how 823 00:53:05,129 --> 00:53:07,739 you're going to put it together. Eric's already thinking about 824 00:53:07,739 --> 00:53:12,209 the graphical display of those statistics. It's imagine like 825 00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,119 you playing the song, you can see which band members getting 826 00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:22,379 more SATs. Well, there you go. I mean, 827 00:53:23,219 --> 00:53:27,809 it's bands needed more reasons to break. That's the punch line 828 00:53:27,809 --> 00:53:33,779 right there. Yeah, that my son is in a metal band. They have. 829 00:53:34,289 --> 00:53:38,429 Now he's in a thrash metal band. He plays bass in there. They 830 00:53:38,429 --> 00:53:43,349 just recorded their, their first album, cool. Get six original 831 00:53:43,349 --> 00:53:47,279 songs. And I talked them I talked to the band The other 832 00:53:47,279 --> 00:53:51,719 day. And I've talked him into letting into letting us release 833 00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:56,879 it as an album. Through as a podcast album, value for value. 834 00:53:56,969 --> 00:54:01,019 Wow. They'll take they'll take delta is within like, they've 835 00:54:01,019 --> 00:54:03,929 already got the first two songs mastered. So within within a 836 00:54:03,929 --> 00:54:06,359 couple of weeks, they'll have the full album mastered and 837 00:54:06,359 --> 00:54:08,249 we'll be able to do that is so 838 00:54:08,250 --> 00:54:08,910 cool. 839 00:54:09,389 --> 00:54:11,729 Yeah, they're they're excited about because he's got me 840 00:54:11,729 --> 00:54:14,699 they're teenagers. They're like, Oh, this is so cool. And 841 00:54:14,699 --> 00:54:18,749 now the podcasting 2.0 dramatize version of what happened to 842 00:54:18,749 --> 00:54:22,709 Dave's house. Listen, kids, if you still want to rehearse in 843 00:54:22,709 --> 00:54:25,949 this garage, we're gonna do this shit value for value. Okay. 844 00:54:26,969 --> 00:54:29,009 It's two o'clock in the morning. 845 00:54:30,389 --> 00:54:33,809 Yep. Well done, sir. Well played. 846 00:54:33,900 --> 00:54:38,310 Thank you. Thank you know, they're gonna be there. They're 847 00:54:38,310 --> 00:54:39,840 just they're jazzed about it. 848 00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:49,290 Now, very cool. Hey, before I forget, we need to you had some 849 00:54:49,290 --> 00:54:52,800 namespace stuff you want to talk about that we said we're going 850 00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,340 to carry over to today, and I think we should seriously do a 851 00:54:56,340 --> 00:55:01,200 good update. And you've got clips and We have people to 852 00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,000 thank and your dog you know 853 00:55:05,009 --> 00:55:07,109 what's wrong? Now? Let me go shut him up. 854 00:55:07,259 --> 00:55:12,929 Alright. Eric and I'll talk totally. Eric, thank you so 855 00:55:12,929 --> 00:55:18,029 much. I just got the gift before we started recording is you 856 00:55:18,029 --> 00:55:23,999 know, it is weird. So no, no, it is fantastic. I want to wait 857 00:55:23,999 --> 00:55:26,789 until days back when I want I want them to hear what you sent 858 00:55:26,789 --> 00:55:30,569 us. It also guilt him that he sent me nothing. Guilt him into 859 00:55:30,569 --> 00:55:35,909 a cheap bastard. move across I move across the state of Texas 860 00:55:36,329 --> 00:55:40,799 50 miles he could have at least recognized my trip. Dave you 861 00:55:40,799 --> 00:55:47,159 back into Texas. It's true. I was just I was just mentioning 862 00:55:47,159 --> 00:55:52,139 that. Eric and his family actually with a beautiful card 863 00:55:52,769 --> 00:55:56,939 sent us a housewarming gift and I did arrive just before the 864 00:55:56,939 --> 00:56:00,899 show. Check it out. So there's it's all Texas theme. So there's 865 00:56:00,989 --> 00:56:08,219 a Texas beer cozy. There's a Texas coasters, a beautiful 866 00:56:08,249 --> 00:56:12,659 Lonestar flag, and then a welcome mat. which is which is 867 00:56:12,659 --> 00:56:15,389 really interesting because we've been looking for a welcome mat. 868 00:56:16,229 --> 00:56:19,649 We haven't quite decided on one and this one says come back with 869 00:56:19,649 --> 00:56:20,279 a warrant. 870 00:56:26,099 --> 00:56:29,069 Come back with a warrant and four more inches on your barrel. 871 00:56:29,250 --> 00:56:32,610 Right and then and this is the this is your you're welcome to 872 00:56:32,610 --> 00:56:37,890 Texas your Texas welcome kit Asterix firearm sold separately. 873 00:56:40,409 --> 00:56:42,719 The only thing you can make it better would be a deep fried 874 00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:43,319 Snickers 875 00:56:45,900 --> 00:56:50,610 from the Texas fairgrounds you know it you know it? Yeah, we're 876 00:56:50,610 --> 00:56:53,070 talking namespace goods. It's in such 877 00:56:53,550 --> 00:56:55,770 a way. Okay. Well, I don't know what do we want to do? I've got 878 00:56:55,770 --> 00:56:59,400 a couple of now I don't know if I have any clips that that are 879 00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:03,090 really good for the what we're talking about today. I do have a 880 00:57:03,090 --> 00:57:04,140 couple of ISOs though. 881 00:57:05,429 --> 00:57:07,139 Why not? What What you looking at? 882 00:57:07,679 --> 00:57:11,729 Give me I saw a little bit meta. This is a little bit meta. 883 00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:15,450 Wow. Which shows this from that is from the 884 00:57:16,619 --> 00:57:17,759 wasn't it rising? 885 00:57:17,820 --> 00:57:20,520 This is a little bit meta. I might have to steal that for no 886 00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,670 agenda. Yeah, yeah. Good. That's really good. I 887 00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:27,150 like it. That's from the TV interview on the right. I think 888 00:57:27,150 --> 00:57:28,920 it's the rising show. It's awesome. 889 00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:33,750 Oh, is that with crystal ball? I don't know if that was from the 890 00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:35,190 hill. Isn't the rising or my? 891 00:57:35,460 --> 00:57:39,720 Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yes. From the hill. Yeah. And then we'll see 892 00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:44,070 there's this one I so basically, the facts, basically the facts. 893 00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,820 I get a kick out of that. Basically the facts, facts, 894 00:57:50,850 --> 00:57:51,660 facts. 895 00:57:52,860 --> 00:57:58,650 For some reason. I just love. I just love the maybe it's the 896 00:57:58,650 --> 00:58:04,050 word fact or something. But when kids do which I have one from a 897 00:58:04,050 --> 00:58:05,040 kid somewhere. 898 00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:08,160 Oh, that's the old school. One that no one from a long time 899 00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:08,460 ago. 900 00:58:09,449 --> 00:58:11,849 Yeah, yes. Yeah, that one where 901 00:58:12,690 --> 00:58:18,150 I sent you that clip? 10 years ago? No. Yes. That was my that 902 00:58:18,150 --> 00:58:18,780 was Montclair. 903 00:58:19,650 --> 00:58:21,390 And who is that? Where'd you get it from? 904 00:58:21,569 --> 00:58:29,759 It came from a YouTube video series called Oh my god. It's 905 00:58:29,759 --> 00:58:34,979 like kids, kid history, I think is the name of it. And it's it's 906 00:58:34,979 --> 00:58:39,869 kids telling retelling their parents stories from when 907 00:58:39,869 --> 00:58:42,449 they're so the parents would tell them stories from when they 908 00:58:42,449 --> 00:58:45,449 were young about crazy stuff that the parents did. And then 909 00:58:45,449 --> 00:58:49,229 the kids will retell it back. And the parent and the parents 910 00:58:49,589 --> 00:58:55,409 will, will act it out as if the horrible, incorrect retelling of 911 00:58:55,409 --> 00:58:59,159 them trying to get it right was actually what happened. It's 912 00:58:59,159 --> 00:59:00,989 really funny that anyway, that came from that. 913 00:59:00,990 --> 00:59:03,300 Yeah. And it would be great if I could find it now that we've 914 00:59:03,330 --> 00:59:06,750 gone through this explanation of how long we've had this 915 00:59:06,750 --> 00:59:09,480 exchange, but I just can't seem to find it. So. 916 00:59:09,900 --> 00:59:17,550 Yeah, goods, goods there. They're generating right now. So 917 00:59:17,550 --> 00:59:22,050 I wanted to sort of think this through. there's a there's a bi 918 00:59:22,050 --> 00:59:24,030 GUI endpoint for 919 00:59:28,409 --> 00:59:31,919 Sorry about that. Yes. Yeah, that's from that video. 2013. I 920 00:59:31,919 --> 00:59:33,089 have it 2013 921 00:59:33,659 --> 00:59:40,079 Yeah, that's Yeah, that's for me. Wow. policy. So the idea 922 00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:44,369 behind the good is a way for, for you to track or address 923 00:59:44,399 --> 00:59:47,969 really, it's not, it's a dress or a way for you to address a 924 00:59:47,969 --> 00:59:53,009 podcast universally no matter what platform. It's being 925 00:59:53,009 --> 00:59:57,419 referenced on. And you would think Well, okay, we'll just use 926 00:59:57,419 --> 01:00:03,539 the URL, but the URL changes, because people change how 927 01:00:03,539 --> 01:00:04,199 sometimes? 928 01:00:04,500 --> 01:00:05,010 Yes, 929 01:00:05,310 --> 01:00:13,440 the idea of the gu ID is pretty clear. But they're needed those 930 01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:17,940 goods needed to exist. So if we're going to end up with once 931 01:00:17,940 --> 01:00:20,970 we pre generate all these goods, and ultimately it doesn't matter 932 01:00:20,970 --> 01:00:24,750 what the good it is, I mean, the good doesn't happen. Because 933 01:00:24,750 --> 01:00:28,320 once you have a good it just, it stays the same for the rest of 934 01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:29,400 the life of the podcast. 935 01:00:30,780 --> 01:00:32,400 Like an ISDN number for 936 01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:37,680 a book. That is exactly what it is exactly what it is. So the 937 01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:43,560 question in the quiz, the next question is, what how do we 938 01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:47,580 provide a way? For people for that 939 01:00:47,579 --> 01:00:48,449 to get some Sorry? 940 01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:50,580 Yeah, no, no, give, get ask your question. 941 01:00:51,659 --> 01:00:56,309 To get it back to the source or to get it. Wouldn't you want 942 01:00:56,309 --> 01:00:59,309 that to go back to the host? So the host also knows about this? 943 01:00:59,610 --> 01:01:02,130 Yeah. And that's what that's exactly what I'm thinking, how 944 01:01:02,130 --> 01:01:05,160 do we get it back into the ecosystem so that people know 945 01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:09,990 what they're doing is right. And so I'm thinking that maybe we 946 01:01:09,990 --> 01:01:13,410 just put it as a QR code or something like that? on their 947 01:01:13,410 --> 01:01:14,460 podcast. Okay. 948 01:01:14,490 --> 01:01:20,850 Wow. Okay. This is cool. Because now you have a universal way to 949 01:01:20,850 --> 01:01:27,210 subscribe with my God. And, and we can do badges and all kinds 950 01:01:27,210 --> 01:01:30,750 of cool things. Like it's cool to have a low number. 951 01:01:32,010 --> 01:01:34,380 School has no such thing as a low number, cuz they're all 40 952 01:01:34,380 --> 01:01:35,610 bits. Yeah, 953 01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:40,860 well, that sucks. tech guys have no idea what marketing is. And 954 01:01:43,140 --> 01:01:48,780 the QR code is great. I love that idea. Universal Shouldn't 955 01:01:48,780 --> 01:01:51,570 it be? What is q? R stands for? 956 01:01:53,250 --> 01:02:00,150 Uh, huh. stumped. Eric, what is QR codes? Let me see if I can 957 01:02:00,150 --> 01:02:01,860 recall off the top. 958 01:02:03,030 --> 01:02:07,590 Is it a trademark? quick response code response? quick 959 01:02:07,590 --> 01:02:11,190 response. So how about a que es code? I recall? How about a que 960 01:02:11,190 --> 01:02:17,040 es code? clinics quick ship? Quick subscribe. A quick before 961 01:02:17,100 --> 01:02:24,210 or we could do a Qf quick follow? Up seriously. This is 962 01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:27,390 grabs as far as I'm concerned. Quick listen. 963 01:02:29,369 --> 01:02:38,519 That I like I like this QR code. So if we do a que es code, then 964 01:02:38,669 --> 01:02:45,719 if you if you like it would be a link to some something will be 965 01:02:45,719 --> 01:02:50,249 ideal would be have it have a link to something that lets them 966 01:02:50,279 --> 01:02:51,749 that shows it. Go ahead. 967 01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:57,270 Oh, well, we could do it as almost the short shortened URL, 968 01:02:58,739 --> 01:03:03,809 or URL shortener or Bitly type thing? Hmm. Because I have 969 01:03:05,820 --> 01:03:06,630 what's the point? 970 01:03:08,130 --> 01:03:11,580 Well, the idea is that we could then redirect to whatever their 971 01:03:11,580 --> 01:03:15,840 page happens to be because if the host page the RSS feed is is 972 01:03:16,170 --> 01:03:19,320 a transitory and the idea is that this squared and the QR 973 01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:20,100 code would be 974 01:03:20,909 --> 01:03:25,499 right. Oh, okay. So but it Oh, I get it. So in, in effect, we'd 975 01:03:25,499 --> 01:03:29,279 be rebounding but anyone could do that. Because you can the QR 976 01:03:29,279 --> 01:03:34,229 code. Has the base has the gu ID in it. Right. So we're just 977 01:03:34,319 --> 01:03:36,959 we're not doing it on a URL. We're doing it based on a gu ID. 978 01:03:37,799 --> 01:03:41,969 Right, which, which is a fant fantastic way to that for sure. 979 01:03:41,969 --> 01:03:45,149 This is what Amazon does. When you walk into a bookstore, and 980 01:03:45,149 --> 01:03:49,259 you scan the barcode isbm number, they just look it up and 981 01:03:49,259 --> 01:03:54,269 they sell it to you cheaper. Right? Right. I love this. Yeah, 982 01:03:54,389 --> 01:03:55,679 that's, that's powerful. 983 01:03:57,179 --> 01:04:03,239 Well, if we do so if we have the gu IDs, then and we have the 984 01:04:03,239 --> 01:04:08,909 onboarding site done, then people would be able to let us 985 01:04:08,909 --> 01:04:15,059 know go in and change their their URL. If, if for a lot of 986 01:04:15,059 --> 01:04:17,609 URL changes, we pick it up automatically. If they properly 987 01:04:17,609 --> 01:04:21,689 set a 301. We'll pick that up and we'll and we'll change it in 988 01:04:21,689 --> 01:04:28,619 the DB. But for other scenarios, where they leave their host and 989 01:04:28,619 --> 01:04:32,579 don't ever never tell us, they just let their account expire. 990 01:04:32,939 --> 01:04:38,159 But then they go over here to host you know, X, Y, Z and just 991 01:04:38,159 --> 01:04:43,319 create a podcast over here with the same name. Right back in 992 01:04:43,349 --> 01:04:47,099 log. Yep. datas Yeah, they can just come in and switch and 993 01:04:47,099 --> 01:04:53,459 switch their feed. And then we can and we can be. We can at 994 01:04:53,459 --> 01:04:56,189 that point that the good mate maintains its relationship 995 01:04:56,249 --> 01:05:02,399 properly and then people can Just download our database from 996 01:05:02,399 --> 01:05:05,459 time to time or try our use our tracking in points or whatever. 997 01:05:05,459 --> 01:05:08,129 And they can track that. And what we could do is we could do 998 01:05:08,159 --> 01:05:12,059 we could do, I could create a URL endpoint, excuse me, an API 999 01:05:12,059 --> 01:05:18,449 endpoint that has the details, recent changes, so that you can 1000 01:05:18,449 --> 01:05:23,759 see when things when things are things move. There'll be another 1001 01:05:23,759 --> 01:05:27,089 possibility, and it will just have the new ID and the new URL. 1002 01:05:29,699 --> 01:05:30,479 We think about that. 1003 01:05:31,679 --> 01:05:37,109 The our just a straight quid, go into link returns, which is you 1004 01:05:37,109 --> 01:05:41,159 can do a quick translation of the current, you know, so if 1005 01:05:41,159 --> 01:05:45,329 someone else wanted to do a referral system, user comes in, 1006 01:05:45,479 --> 01:05:46,019 then that Yeah, 1007 01:05:46,020 --> 01:05:50,010 yeah, yeah. So I'd be okay. So I'm thinking of like, pod as a 1008 01:05:50,010 --> 01:05:58,050 pod link and pod page. And those guys could do. Point blank. 1009 01:05:58,110 --> 01:06:02,790 That's something of plank they could get in this game is sort 1010 01:06:02,790 --> 01:06:06,240 of, they could create these nice landing pages that have you have 1011 01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:10,710 a gu ID in it, and then somebody hits the gu ID of the of the, of 1012 01:06:10,710 --> 01:06:14,190 their service. And then it shows like a whole batch of dough. Do 1013 01:06:14,190 --> 01:06:16,770 you want to listen in this app? Or this app or this app? You 1014 01:06:16,770 --> 01:06:20,430 know, a bunch of universal universal hits like that. Right. 1015 01:06:21,869 --> 01:06:26,219 And then, oh, wow, this is this is very exciting. And just from 1016 01:06:26,219 --> 01:06:29,339 a, from a historical perspective, make sure we 1017 01:06:29,339 --> 01:06:31,799 haven't overlooked anything. Why is no one done this? I mean, QR 1018 01:06:31,799 --> 01:06:35,699 codes have been around for a long time. The is just no one 1019 01:06:35,909 --> 01:06:39,389 said, Oh, we'll we'll create a good or everyone basically use 1020 01:06:39,389 --> 01:06:42,779 the iTunes ID. I mean, is that is that kind of where that went? 1021 01:06:43,199 --> 01:06:44,939 It was that day. Okay. 1022 01:06:44,940 --> 01:06:51,000 Yeah. Okay, so and and on that on that note? I've been thinking 1023 01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:51,810 about this. 1024 01:06:52,230 --> 01:06:54,180 If you want to buy Apple, okay, hold on a second. 1025 01:06:56,310 --> 01:06:59,760 Before you go there, Adam. I think the reason is, is because 1026 01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,310 most of the companies that could implement this aren't thinking 1027 01:07:02,310 --> 01:07:04,590 about podcasters. They're thinking about themselves. It's 1028 01:07:04,590 --> 01:07:08,520 not about good point. Good point. You see what I'm saying? 1029 01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:11,040 It's about it doesn't make them any money. They don't 1030 01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:14,760 care. It's so interesting that it's so hard for people to 1031 01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:17,250 believe that everyone's kind of in this just to make the 1032 01:07:17,250 --> 01:07:20,880 industry better. I think that truly is one of the reasons why 1033 01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:25,260 people are not initially interested because now there's 1034 01:07:25,260 --> 01:07:29,580 no big money. There's no be a big PR push. It's an open 1035 01:07:29,580 --> 01:07:33,750 source. I think people really underestimate what's going on. 1036 01:07:34,350 --> 01:07:36,060 That's what I decide. I'm just 1037 01:07:36,780 --> 01:07:39,360 what we're not creating walled gardens, so that's not 1038 01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:42,120 you know, people aren't used to free open space. What's that? 1039 01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:45,960 That's scary looking freedom. Why? Oh, no, I don't want that 1040 01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:48,600 pasture. Sorry. Anyway. 1041 01:07:50,219 --> 01:07:54,809 If you have either of y'all read the book, caves of steel, by 1042 01:07:54,809 --> 01:07:55,619 Isaac Asimov. 1043 01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:58,230 Wait, no, I don't think so. 1044 01:07:58,619 --> 01:08:04,469 It's, it's the future society where everybody, we're all a 1045 01:08:04,469 --> 01:08:08,849 civilization ends up living in these in these mega cities that 1046 01:08:08,849 --> 01:08:14,819 have maybe 50 billion people in one city. And then all the 1047 01:08:14,819 --> 01:08:19,469 cities are because population the population is so high. They 1048 01:08:19,469 --> 01:08:24,419 have to do they have to do things like large soy based 1049 01:08:24,449 --> 01:08:30,149 farms is like Soylent Green. So then, but every all these cities 1050 01:08:30,149 --> 01:08:33,869 are under domes, they're under these him these massive steel 1051 01:08:33,869 --> 01:08:38,849 domes. And then everybody lives in these under these domes their 1052 01:08:38,849 --> 01:08:44,609 entire life. And so they end up over time, they become from 1053 01:08:44,609 --> 01:08:49,409 birth have become accustomed to live inside the dome. And even 1054 01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:54,419 the thought of outside open spaces in this in the open sky 1055 01:08:54,419 --> 01:08:57,689 blue sky and green grass, like gives them trippy day they freak 1056 01:08:57,689 --> 01:09:01,019 out. They have like an anxiety attack. It's like that's, that's 1057 01:09:01,019 --> 01:09:03,269 what's going on. It's like that's what's going on in the in 1058 01:09:03,269 --> 01:09:06,869 the podcast world. They're there, everybody's so accustomed 1059 01:09:06,869 --> 01:09:10,859 to silos and walled gardens. And that's how you make money is by 1060 01:09:10,859 --> 01:09:15,959 capturing part of the industry not by serving it that they 1061 01:09:15,959 --> 01:09:19,139 can't decide they don't know how to think about it. Oh, my God, 1062 01:09:19,139 --> 01:09:22,649 open source I don't trust it must have some ulterior motive. 1063 01:09:22,679 --> 01:09:23,039 You know, 1064 01:09:23,220 --> 01:09:28,500 that was there's another version of of that. And I wish to sound 1065 01:09:28,500 --> 01:09:32,160 cool and have like some azimoff book to refer to, but it's 1066 01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:37,170 probably some shitty movie. Where the trick is to get the 1067 01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:39,450 inmates to build the prison themselves. 1068 01:09:40,860 --> 01:09:42,030 Oh, that's like public school. 1069 01:09:43,710 --> 01:09:48,780 In a way, in a way Yeah. And then yeah, he just build 1070 01:09:48,780 --> 01:09:51,690 everything. Yeah, I mean, that's a lot of what we're what I think 1071 01:09:51,690 --> 01:09:55,230 what society is kind of going through and you know, freedom is 1072 01:09:55,320 --> 01:10:00,360 in some, in some ways is almost seen as man which you Talking 1073 01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:02,760 about Willis. That's kind of crazy. This freedom talk. 1074 01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:08,370 That was ron paul's old old er. And when he said, whenever you 1075 01:10:08,370 --> 01:10:11,940 see them building the border wall is not to keep them out is 1076 01:10:11,940 --> 01:10:12,540 to keep you in. 1077 01:10:13,470 --> 01:10:19,110 Yeah, exactly. Anyway, that's, that's why I like that. That's a 1078 01:10:19,110 --> 01:10:20,280 very exciting idea. 1079 01:10:21,210 --> 01:10:24,450 Yeah. So we'll we'll we'll, we'll get there. I just want to 1080 01:10:24,450 --> 01:10:27,720 Matt sort of pick his brain and see what we need to do and map 1081 01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:28,170 it out. 1082 01:10:31,590 --> 01:10:33,480 You'll get anything. Um, 1083 01:10:33,570 --> 01:10:38,100 let me just check. Eric, you got anything? No, I've been neck 1084 01:10:38,100 --> 01:10:42,840 deep and, oh, money laundering rates. I saw something 1085 01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:45,630 interesting. The end to end, I guess, is getting close to 1086 01:10:46,890 --> 01:10:49,560 yours. something's working over there. I think you retweeted it 1087 01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:51,510 or you replied to his tweet. 1088 01:10:52,289 --> 01:10:57,869 Yeah. Paul, because it all just just just Yeah, yeah. Yeah. He 1089 01:10:57,869 --> 01:11:01,709 had tweeted this morning that they get Dave on boarded up a 1090 01:11:01,709 --> 01:11:03,539 podcaster. And 1091 01:11:03,870 --> 01:11:06,090 he's some doctor some doctor guy. 1092 01:11:06,690 --> 01:11:12,150 Yeah, yeah. I'm sure it's like a, you know, like a net, natural 1093 01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:13,920 naturopath, Doctor type guy. 1094 01:11:14,159 --> 01:11:18,419 Here's what was interesting. Someone replied to that tweet. 1095 01:11:18,989 --> 01:11:21,839 This is like the gossip of the lightning network. Let me see. 1096 01:11:21,899 --> 01:11:24,209 What is. What's his name? Justin. 1097 01:11:26,790 --> 01:11:31,260 rezvani. RSV, or is these Ayana? Yeah, exactly. 1098 01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:36,570 Oops. Let me see if I can find this. Justin. 1099 01:11:44,610 --> 01:11:47,610 Why does this take so long now? Anyway, the gist was someone 1100 01:11:47,610 --> 01:11:51,900 says, Wow, does Paul No, you did this? And he replied all that 1101 01:11:51,900 --> 01:11:55,890 and he replied, yeah, I brought Paul on or something like that. 1102 01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,080 That's why I want to get it. Exactly. I don't want to 1103 01:11:58,110 --> 01:11:59,010 misstate it. 1104 01:11:59,850 --> 01:12:04,980 Yeah. Yeah. Paul. Paul is the name of the doctor who's in his 1105 01:12:04,980 --> 01:12:09,360 on that podcast. Oh, okay. You were thinking it was probably 1106 01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:10,440 too late. Yes. 1107 01:12:10,440 --> 01:12:15,480 I'm like, What? Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. Good, good. Good. I was 1108 01:12:15,480 --> 01:12:17,790 like, holy crap. Did I miss something here? No. 1109 01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:21,450 Yeah, because I thought the same thing and then I'll realize that 1110 01:12:21,450 --> 01:12:24,660 Paul is like pulse or Dino or something is the name of the 1111 01:12:24,660 --> 01:12:25,260 podcast. 1112 01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:27,270 Okay, good. Good. Good. 1113 01:12:28,050 --> 01:12:30,300 Did you read Roy's article related? 1114 01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:34,500 to a new one he had, he usually sends me a signal message when 1115 01:12:34,500 --> 01:12:35,640 he's done something like that. 1116 01:12:35,909 --> 01:12:38,879 Well, he released it, we'll see it was on Bitcoin magazine is 1117 01:12:38,879 --> 01:12:40,289 called scaling lightning. 1118 01:12:41,070 --> 01:12:42,420 No, I haven't seen that. 1119 01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:48,060 Very good article. He says, I'll read it. I'll read a piece of it 1120 01:12:48,060 --> 01:12:50,520 here. He says people keep calling Bitcoin a Trojan horse 1121 01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:54,000 to express the idea that it invisibly contains things like 1122 01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:57,030 freedom and sovereignty, that surprise those who adopt it. 1123 01:12:57,420 --> 01:13:01,380 First, I'd like to suggest a new metaphor. Bitcoin adoption, does 1124 01:13:01,380 --> 01:13:04,170 not bear invisible consequences. But they're far more appealing 1125 01:13:04,170 --> 01:13:06,840 than a bunch of tired, sweaty, grumpy Greek soldiers hiding in 1126 01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:10,170 an elaborate piece of furniture. Bitcoin is cake. And what's 1127 01:13:10,170 --> 01:13:13,620 inside is candy. In fact, there are several different kinds of 1128 01:13:13,620 --> 01:13:16,080 candy inside beyond just sweet sovereignty and delicious 1129 01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,990 freedom. The only violence ensuing from this metaphor is 1130 01:13:18,990 --> 01:13:22,410 the dentist's chair. So anyway, very good article. 1131 01:13:22,440 --> 01:13:25,620 I have now put that in the show notes as well. Thanks. Good tip. 1132 01:13:26,730 --> 01:13:29,670 Roy, Roy, you usually you put me in your list of people who are 1133 01:13:29,670 --> 01:13:34,350 gonna tweet your stuff? And we're like, no more love? No, 1134 01:13:34,350 --> 01:13:34,650 no, he 1135 01:13:34,650 --> 01:13:39,000 gave us some love here. He hooked me up with the guy who 1136 01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:43,080 really wants to help us on on some Bitcoin tech stuff. So 1137 01:13:43,770 --> 01:13:46,050 cool. I'll tell you about that later. 1138 01:13:46,830 --> 01:13:50,460 Oh, in the in the real board meeting you me? In the board? 1139 01:13:51,300 --> 01:13:53,250 board meeting the real board meeting? 1140 01:13:53,610 --> 01:13:56,820 Yeah, I would drop it right after meeting. 1141 01:13:59,790 --> 01:14:02,520 So we thank some people. Do you want to do some more namespace? 1142 01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:05,700 Is there anything we're missing? Oh, I know what we're missing? 1143 01:14:05,700 --> 01:14:08,400 Well, I'll tell you what we do. Thank you. So then we got to 1144 01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:12,510 talk about the jitsi call the dev developer call about 1145 01:14:12,510 --> 01:14:14,940 comments. That was very interesting. I want to report 1146 01:14:14,940 --> 01:14:15,450 back. 1147 01:14:16,050 --> 01:14:22,560 Alright. Let's see. Oh, God had an end up with this. Now, I've 1148 01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,110 got an article in the middle of my donation letter stack. 1149 01:14:26,100 --> 01:14:28,050 Okay. And is it a good article? 1150 01:14:29,100 --> 01:14:33,540 It is the article from submit your podcast to the podcast 1151 01:14:33,540 --> 01:14:42,810 index from Stephanie. Oh, forgot her name. Chino. See, but I 1152 01:14:42,810 --> 01:14:46,740 will. Okay, I get on. I'm on discombobulated now. 1153 01:14:46,770 --> 01:14:49,470 Well, this week recombined, belated. For those of you who 1154 01:14:49,470 --> 01:14:53,430 are new, this entire project has value for value. So there's no 1155 01:14:53,460 --> 01:14:55,890 you probably figured out by now there's no corporate money, 1156 01:14:55,950 --> 01:15:00,240 this. This is all based upon the value that people put in their 1157 01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:03,270 time, their talent and their treasure. If you're not 1158 01:15:03,270 --> 01:15:06,450 developing if you're, if you're not promoting if you're not, if 1159 01:15:06,450 --> 01:15:09,930 you feel like you want to help us then financially is always 1160 01:15:09,930 --> 01:15:14,580 welcome. We keep costs as low as possible. That's part of the 1161 01:15:14,580 --> 01:15:19,290 beauty of Dave Jones. He is the stingiest man, what are we 1162 01:15:19,290 --> 01:15:21,060 running now? 450 a month 1163 01:15:22,470 --> 01:15:27,840 for about 450 overall. Eric is at least as stingy as I am. 1164 01:15:28,890 --> 01:15:32,970 We also fund our lightning channels. So it's all in the 1165 01:15:32,970 --> 01:15:36,600 liquidity. It's all basically locked up in Bitcoin on the 1166 01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:39,240 channels, but we love receiving your cup bucks as well. So if 1167 01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:43,290 you want to help us out, go to podcast index.org. Scroll to the 1168 01:15:43,290 --> 01:15:46,230 bottom, you'll see the big red Donate button, click on that 1169 01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:49,680 goes through PayPal. And of course on the new site. I'm sure 1170 01:15:49,710 --> 01:15:55,080 it will have some other forms of of payment possible, Eric? 1171 01:15:55,890 --> 01:15:58,710 Yep, yep. Yep, yep. 1172 01:15:59,970 --> 01:16:03,690 And we love thanking the people who have sent us some support. 1173 01:16:04,980 --> 01:16:10,140 One of those people was barren, sir da Schlemmer gave us $5. 1174 01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:11,460 Thank you very much. 1175 01:16:11,670 --> 01:16:14,070 He says thank you for your courage and passion. 1176 01:16:15,690 --> 01:16:18,270 Yes. Passion we have. 1177 01:16:18,930 --> 01:16:29,190 Thank you, Baron. See who got here. $73.73 73 7073 from Neil 1178 01:16:29,190 --> 01:16:33,390 Chapman. And Neil says, Great job guys. Please keep it up. 1179 01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:39,750 Dave. Are you a radio ham? I am. Casey for an xa Oh, excuse me 1180 01:16:39,750 --> 01:16:40,440 expired. 1181 01:16:40,710 --> 01:16:42,900 Key Oh, five alpha, Charlie, Charlie. 1182 01:16:43,620 --> 01:16:46,920 If not, I think you should be an honorary ham as you're helping 1183 01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:49,470 to save the world to kebeles for Eric Carlson. 1184 01:16:49,650 --> 01:16:51,390 Eric, do you have your ticket? 1185 01:16:52,530 --> 01:16:56,730 Not yet. I have the radio and the guide. And it's just one of 1186 01:16:56,730 --> 01:16:57,570 those things that 1187 01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:01,890 you know, you can you can walk into that test that you read the 1188 01:17:01,890 --> 01:17:05,190 book, once, it's all the same answers is just out of order. 1189 01:17:05,820 --> 01:17:09,900 Multiple Choice is three of the means, like, in fact that they 1190 01:17:09,900 --> 01:17:12,690 always say, Hey, you wanna take your general and I almost made 1191 01:17:12,690 --> 01:17:15,000 it. No, I didn't know I could do that I almost made the general 1192 01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:18,000 just had to wait for the next appointment. Same thing. Just 1193 01:17:18,030 --> 01:17:22,320 back in the day back when I took my novice. Like, I've read the 1194 01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:24,780 current book to recertify. I've read it twice and still hadn't 1195 01:17:24,780 --> 01:17:29,490 taken the test. But the one I took my novice back in this 1196 01:17:29,490 --> 01:17:34,950 would have been like 1989, or 90, I think, or Nanos, like 90 1197 01:17:34,950 --> 01:17:41,010 or 91. The you, you had to pass the Morse code requirement. So 1198 01:17:41,010 --> 01:17:45,270 the general was much harder, because you had to be you had to 1199 01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:46,770 do a faster word per minute. 1200 01:17:47,039 --> 01:17:50,999 It was a 12. I don't remember to 12 or 15. 1201 01:17:51,329 --> 01:17:55,169 I passed the novice pretty easily. But the general was such 1202 01:17:55,169 --> 01:17:57,479 a step up, I knew I wasn't going to be able to do it. 1203 01:17:57,570 --> 01:18:00,930 And that was always the that was always the limiting factor. And 1204 01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:03,630 that's kind of what I liked about it. It's like yeah, cuz, 1205 01:18:03,630 --> 01:18:07,830 you know, it's still pretty easy to answer the questions. But you 1206 01:18:07,830 --> 01:18:11,940 had to sit down you had to, you know, set up a Morse code 1207 01:18:11,940 --> 01:18:15,930 testing rig or whatever. And you had to learn and I kind of liked 1208 01:18:15,930 --> 01:18:16,800 that requirement. 1209 01:18:17,430 --> 01:18:18,840 I liked it, too. We just got 1210 01:18:19,110 --> 01:18:26,070 a bunch of nanny hams man. Can't do no code. snowflakes nice. no 1211 01:18:26,070 --> 01:18:32,190 fluff, no coding snowflake. hammies Get off my lawn. That's 1212 01:18:32,190 --> 01:18:37,530 not true. In fact, the ham ham community is desperate for 1213 01:18:37,530 --> 01:18:40,650 younger people. desperate. That's why all the digital the 1214 01:18:40,650 --> 01:18:43,680 digital stuff is cool man stuff. They're doing digital. 1215 01:18:44,820 --> 01:18:47,220 They just call it packet right packet radio. 1216 01:18:47,250 --> 01:18:53,580 Wow. Yeah, I mean, now it's what's the well, you had j x 11 1217 01:18:53,580 --> 01:18:56,880 we had the one that gosh, this is how long I haven't haven't 1218 01:18:56,880 --> 01:19:01,170 done it. Like almost three years. That'd be low power, you 1219 01:19:01,170 --> 01:19:06,210 know, fi you know, like half a watt 500 milliwatts bouncing off 1220 01:19:06,330 --> 01:19:11,370 to Japan and it reports back on psfk reporter it's, it's crazy 1221 01:19:11,370 --> 01:19:11,880 stuff. 1222 01:19:12,209 --> 01:19:15,119 gotta remember that first. I remember the first time that we 1223 01:19:15,659 --> 01:19:20,669 made contact with somebody that was really like truly far away. 1224 01:19:20,999 --> 01:19:25,889 Like, someplace in South America. Oh, man, that is such a 1225 01:19:25,889 --> 01:19:29,009 thrill it I know that sounds like the nerdiest, goofiest 1226 01:19:29,009 --> 01:19:32,039 thing to say. But it really is thinking that, oh my god, I'm 1227 01:19:32,039 --> 01:19:37,079 bouncing this signal off the omnisphere maybe maybe 20 times 1228 01:19:37,109 --> 01:19:40,739 in order to land in a country that's literally 6000 miles 1229 01:19:40,739 --> 01:19:45,119 away. And you're in and you're doing it on, you know, four 1230 01:19:45,119 --> 01:19:47,729 watts or whatever. It's pretty insane. 1231 01:19:47,820 --> 01:19:54,810 The I was sent out five years ago four years ago. I received 1232 01:19:54,840 --> 01:20:01,620 one of the first lightning invoices. I think Was it FTA? I 1233 01:20:01,620 --> 01:20:06,390 think maybe, or jt 65 I think so I just received a very short 1234 01:20:06,390 --> 01:20:10,440 invoice code, which I could then translate into into receiving 1235 01:20:10,770 --> 01:20:13,920 lightning into had a wallet attached to it. And that was 1236 01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:18,120 sent sent over, you know that the low the low bandwidth or you 1237 01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:21,570 know, the very, very narrow bandwidth. I think that was jt 1238 01:20:21,570 --> 01:20:25,890 65 or ft eight. It's argued it's arguable if that was the first 1239 01:20:26,070 --> 01:20:29,850 Bitcoin transaction through ham radio because it wasn't truly an 1240 01:20:29,850 --> 01:20:35,880 actual transaction. But Bitcoin was passed off to me. That's a 1241 01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:36,840 lot a lot of fun. 1242 01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,490 Well, thank you appreciate those 70 threes. Yeah, 1243 01:20:41,490 --> 01:20:45,150 but hey, for those of you who have not left us yet, the reason 1244 01:20:45,150 --> 01:20:49,890 why we why we the reason why we're so insistent about this, 1245 01:20:50,550 --> 01:20:56,160 is because we all know that when the apocalypse comes, now here 1246 01:20:56,160 --> 01:21:01,050 we have ham radio, guys, ham radio is the public service 1247 01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:06,300 network of last resort when the apocalypse comes where the guys 1248 01:21:06,300 --> 01:21:08,610 who are going to save the world, right. 1249 01:21:12,660 --> 01:21:17,790 Speaking of if James Cridland if he's not a ham, then he's a 1250 01:21:17,790 --> 01:21:23,310 poser. He's an old school. I mean, he's a radio guy. He if 1251 01:21:23,310 --> 01:21:27,090 he's not have a ham radio license, then he needs to, he 1252 01:21:27,090 --> 01:21:33,030 needs to get out of here. Martin Bruno gave us $10 he says thank 1253 01:21:33,030 --> 01:21:36,270 you for setting up a podcast directory for everybody. Thank 1254 01:21:36,270 --> 01:21:45,750 you, Mark. Thank you. Let's see. This is from Olga note here 1255 01:21:46,440 --> 01:21:55,050 $10.66 in this says Hi Dave. Greetings from construction zone 1256 01:21:55,050 --> 01:21:58,710 15 orbiting Austin, Texas. Looking forward to what Eric and 1257 01:21:58,710 --> 01:22:01,050 y'all come up with for the mom jeans experience. 1258 01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:07,290 mom jeans, bastardization from jeans Mom, I think this might 1259 01:22:07,290 --> 01:22:12,840 even be better. It might be the mom jeans experience. Looking 1260 01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:13,290 forward. 1261 01:22:14,790 --> 01:22:17,340 Looking forward to Eric and y'all come up with for the mom 1262 01:22:17,340 --> 01:22:20,550 jeans experience. I'm fiddling around with the cargo pants dad 1263 01:22:20,550 --> 01:22:25,410 experience. At least here on the edges as time allows. I'm not a 1264 01:22:25,410 --> 01:22:29,310 podcaster yet, but still dream of building stuff from semi semi 1265 01:22:29,310 --> 01:22:33,030 scratch, including someday perhaps a podcast. Nothing 1266 01:22:33,030 --> 01:22:35,220 really is built from scratch Of course, but on building blocks 1267 01:22:35,220 --> 01:22:38,310 that others have built and maintain keep on keeping on. 1268 01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:43,560 Mike knew Mike Newman pronounced Newman not Norman. He says some 1269 01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:46,770 super super stubborn German ancestors who probably insisted 1270 01:22:46,770 --> 01:22:48,720 on keeping spelling and Ellis Ellis Island. 1271 01:22:50,070 --> 01:22:56,130 Well, you may you may not be a podcaster. But you are D 1272 01:22:56,130 --> 01:22:57,990 fragmented, though nice. 1273 01:22:58,050 --> 01:23:06,360 It feels good. Yeah. See, this is just a follow up from he did 1274 01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:11,160 not give a name. He just calls himself stick from a previous 1275 01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:14,400 donation. So I thought this may be the best way to reach out to 1276 01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:17,490 Adam and Curry as Adam Curry at podcast index and the whole 1277 01:23:17,490 --> 01:23:20,580 community. I was very refreshed and excited about the topics 1278 01:23:20,580 --> 01:23:24,270 that Adam Curry talked about on Joe Rogan. It is so reassuring 1279 01:23:24,270 --> 01:23:26,910 that there are communities out here cutting through the crap 1280 01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:29,970 and fighting for the free world. I just wanted to say thank you 1281 01:23:29,970 --> 01:23:31,980 to all of you. God bless all right, man. 1282 01:23:32,010 --> 01:23:34,710 We got one. We hooked one. We got one. 1283 01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:36,600 All right, one one's open to this. 1284 01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:39,060 Welcome, man. Welcome. Welcome to the party. 1285 01:23:39,540 --> 01:23:42,150 This is our weekly donors. And then we got some some 1286 01:23:42,150 --> 01:23:46,260 subscription guys that came in this week. David made us $10 1287 01:23:46,530 --> 01:23:54,330 just maraca $5 Cameron Rose $25 Jeremy new $5 Greg Thomas $5. 1288 01:23:54,630 --> 01:24:01,350 Lauren ball $24.20 I wonder what the numerology is on that pod 1289 01:24:01,350 --> 01:24:09,600 verse, LLC. $50. Oh, thank you. Yeah, Brian for Brian $44.10 1290 01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:15,210 Mitch Downey $10 and Chris torbreck. Chuck to rubber duck 1291 01:24:15,510 --> 01:24:18,630 $10. And that's it. Thank you guys. Thank 1292 01:24:18,630 --> 01:24:22,200 you all very much. very much appreciated. This is it's the 1293 01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:26,340 fuel that keeps it going. But it's, it's the note two. For me. 1294 01:24:26,340 --> 01:24:29,790 It's the notes of like, ah, I love some of these notes. That's 1295 01:24:29,790 --> 01:24:32,520 why donation segments are really content. 1296 01:24:33,450 --> 01:24:35,850 I want to get some notes through through the tip jar though. 1297 01:24:37,410 --> 01:24:40,710 Oh, yeah, but it's unfair. I mean, how are you picking them 1298 01:24:40,710 --> 01:24:42,390 up? I haven't had any code. 1299 01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:45,480 I'm gonna send I'm gonna send you a look at the there's a 1300 01:24:45,480 --> 01:24:47,700 picture in the clips that I sent you. 1301 01:24:48,990 --> 01:24:51,930 Hold on a second. Look at what it looks like. See how good I 1302 01:24:51,930 --> 01:24:57,450 am. Even though I knew you had a picture, I did not look at it. I 1303 01:24:57,450 --> 01:24:57,600 knew 1304 01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:02,070 you wouldn't look at it for straight Since donations using 1305 01:25:02,070 --> 01:25:13,770 the tip to V. Oh, a second. Yes. Ah. That's what it looks like. 1306 01:25:15,299 --> 01:25:18,209 Tommy Chong is listening to our show. Yeah. 1307 01:25:24,150 --> 01:25:26,850 You can't you can't see it. Eric, I forgot to clip. 1308 01:25:29,250 --> 01:25:32,760 The T. Tip. Can I scream? Can I put this in the show notes? 1309 01:25:33,270 --> 01:25:39,750 Yeah. Good for. There's no. No incriminating information in 1310 01:25:39,750 --> 01:25:40,050 that 1311 01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:43,080 mean server name is on there. But I mean, I didn't help 1312 01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:43,530 anybody. 1313 01:25:47,250 --> 01:25:52,260 Raise your server name. Pay Pal. Oh, pipe. pipe, pal. Yeah, I 1314 01:25:52,260 --> 01:25:52,830 pal. 1315 01:25:53,940 --> 01:25:55,380 podcast index, PayPal. 1316 01:25:56,400 --> 01:26:00,870 Oh, okay. So you really have a machine or at least a login on a 1317 01:26:00,870 --> 01:26:03,180 machine with that account just for that stuff? 1318 01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:07,890 Yeah, well, there's one. There's one $5 linode that I'm used to 1319 01:26:07,890 --> 01:26:11,190 do nothing but node queries and stuff like that to get all the 1320 01:26:11,190 --> 01:26:11,820 stats. 1321 01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:17,580 Do we have any more shirts to send out? Do we have a still 1322 01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:21,660 good chunk of the first batch? I mean, do we owe anyone a shirt? 1323 01:26:22,260 --> 01:26:26,490 Yeah, there's a half dozen or so going out next week. Oh, cool. 1324 01:26:26,580 --> 01:26:29,550 Cool. What are the parameters? Again, getting one of these 1325 01:26:29,550 --> 01:26:31,950 nifty shirts Dave Jones since it's your idea. 1326 01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:33,960 $100 donation? 1327 01:26:34,410 --> 01:26:37,140 Oh, that's right. Total, right. That's over total. 1328 01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:46,170 Right. 100 $100 donation or just a robust contribution to the 1329 01:26:46,170 --> 01:26:49,530 project? I mean, because you know, we send out some shirts to 1330 01:26:50,370 --> 01:26:52,770 blow we're sending out one to James Cridland this week or send 1331 01:26:52,770 --> 01:26:57,900 out one to Benjamin Bellamy. He sent out a few hours gates ever 1332 01:26:57,900 --> 01:27:01,770 sent out a few to people who are just who have just done tons of 1333 01:27:01,770 --> 01:27:05,010 work on the product legacy that's a backpack. Yeah, yeah. 1334 01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:09,660 Back. Back Bay. Yeah. Hazard pay. Yeah. 1335 01:27:10,260 --> 01:27:12,570 Well, it was hazard pay. We'll be sending leather motorcycle 1336 01:27:12,570 --> 01:27:13,260 jackets. 1337 01:27:13,980 --> 01:27:15,000 though. I won't want to 1338 01:27:16,770 --> 01:27:21,000 Eric, we're not there. Yes. Slow down. Slow down. Slow down. 1339 01:27:21,090 --> 01:27:24,240 Okay. Well, we have car while we're at it. 1340 01:27:24,930 --> 01:27:25,710 St. Oprah. 1341 01:27:27,150 --> 01:27:34,710 Hey, yo, I am remiss I have not yet talked to you Dave about the 1342 01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:37,860 podcast movement and if we're going to stay in a hotel or 1343 01:27:37,860 --> 01:27:41,040 Airbnb and I just want to talk about the podcast movement in 1344 01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:41,610 general. 1345 01:27:43,530 --> 01:27:46,290 Yes, Melissa is coming with me. She's just going to use it as a 1346 01:27:46,290 --> 01:27:48,960 personal vacation for herself. So we'll just get our get our 1347 01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:50,700 own thing and you can get your own thing. 1348 01:27:51,900 --> 01:27:58,470 What here's the thing. It falls right on show day. Oh, to show 1349 01:27:58,470 --> 01:28:02,970 days In fact, I think okay, isn't it our show and no agenda? 1350 01:28:04,530 --> 01:28:05,760 Thursday and Friday? 1351 01:28:06,270 --> 01:28:06,810 Yeah. 1352 01:28:07,350 --> 01:28:12,900 And you know, and I'm just like, Oh, man. Now that's not to say 1353 01:28:12,900 --> 01:28:20,430 that that I don't know. I got sour about the the Mark Cuban 1354 01:28:20,430 --> 01:28:23,160 thing and then I'm just thinking Ben Jimmy Bellamy Benjamin 1355 01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:25,380 Bellamy is going to be presenting I have no idea how 1356 01:28:25,380 --> 01:28:28,770 many people be in person I think quite a bit actually. But I'm 1357 01:28:28,770 --> 01:28:34,860 not sure I'm not 100% Sure. It's just it's a lot it's a lot of 1358 01:28:35,070 --> 01:28:36,240 disruption for me. 1359 01:28:36,900 --> 01:28:38,820 Because Because I guy just go by myself. 1360 01:28:39,510 --> 01:28:44,250 Yeah, but I feel bad because it was gonna be you know, just the 1361 01:28:44,250 --> 01:28:48,270 two of us. We can make it if we are no Melissa was gonna be 1362 01:28:48,270 --> 01:28:48,660 there too. 1363 01:28:49,140 --> 01:28:51,600 Yeah, let's just go out there and I thought you said Tina was 1364 01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:52,530 gonna get it as well too. 1365 01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:56,340 Well, and so what I was thinking was I wanted to tie a no agenda 1366 01:28:56,340 --> 01:29:00,360 meetup to it and then like, well, it really should be my 1367 01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:06,150 head is just hurting. I moved. My head is hurting. I'm old now. 1368 01:29:06,450 --> 01:29:09,360 like holy crap that this I just built everything got to 1369 01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:13,500 dismantle this thing, do two shows and you know hang out with 1370 01:29:13,500 --> 01:29:17,400 people and schmooze around and and Mark Cuban is just there 1371 01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:22,140 that's really what tipped me over the edge quite honestly. 1372 01:29:22,170 --> 01:29:24,120 It's like Cubans there. 1373 01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:28,440 Yeah, it's that's it's gonna be a hard one for you. 1374 01:29:28,470 --> 01:29:31,170 Because you guys are driving or flying is it's a drive 1375 01:29:31,170 --> 01:29:33,240 for you. That was like two hours away. 1376 01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:36,990 Is he that's Nashville, the hops the jump from Ryan, right? 1377 01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:43,110 I mean, it's not a big deal. And Melissa was named some time away 1378 01:29:43,110 --> 01:29:45,540 to get prepped before school starts anyway. So we're like, 1379 01:29:45,780 --> 01:29:48,750 let's just make a big deal out of it. And then but I can go 1380 01:29:48,810 --> 01:29:52,710 this about myself. You know, I'm just going to mean to be shaking 1381 01:29:52,710 --> 01:29:54,660 hands, drinking beers with people and getting to know 1382 01:29:54,660 --> 01:29:55,650 people so but 1383 01:29:55,710 --> 01:29:57,780 are you okay with wearing the pickle suit though? 1384 01:29:59,250 --> 01:30:03,540 This week. needed just not aware of this requirement. If 1385 01:30:03,540 --> 01:30:05,910 you don't know about the podcast pickle guy that's Gary. 1386 01:30:07,410 --> 01:30:08,730 I've not been 1387 01:30:08,940 --> 01:30:12,300 to WAV and the first the first pod one, I think one of the 1388 01:30:12,300 --> 01:30:18,120 first podcast conferences he had I don't even know what his 1389 01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:20,910 business what he has a million businesses. And he was the 1390 01:30:20,910 --> 01:30:23,760 podcast pickle and he and he would have a guy in a pickle 1391 01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:27,570 suit. Hold on a second. I gotta get the history of this. This is 1392 01:30:27,570 --> 01:30:32,040 this is like the ghost podcasting. Oh, man. Well, he 1393 01:30:32,040 --> 01:30:35,070 made quite a career out of the podcast pickle somehow 1394 01:30:35,100 --> 01:30:38,460 like the naked cowboy that sings and plays music in New York. And 1395 01:30:38,460 --> 01:30:39,450 then no, here 1396 01:30:39,450 --> 01:30:44,190 we go podcast pickle. launched in March 2005. Big Gary Leland 1397 01:30:44,190 --> 01:30:47,520 I'm reading from Wikipedia was both a podcast videocast 1398 01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:50,910 directory and community, Time magazine directory, and 1399 01:30:50,910 --> 01:30:55,230 community. Well, we needed directory so that was good. I 1400 01:30:55,230 --> 01:30:59,160 mean, I was never really in the directory business. I didn't 1401 01:30:59,160 --> 01:31:02,430 even see the value of it because I associated directory with a 1402 01:31:02,430 --> 01:31:08,070 pickle. Time magazine listed it as one of its 50 coolest sites 1403 01:31:08,070 --> 01:31:12,750 in August 2006. More than 12,000 podcasts and vodcasts appeared 1404 01:31:12,750 --> 01:31:16,770 on the site as of March 2007. podcast picco provide podcast 1405 01:31:16,770 --> 01:31:22,410 family family tree listings, podcast family tree listings, 1406 01:31:22,890 --> 01:31:27,150 podcast players, podcast family tree, I don't know. 1407 01:31:28,440 --> 01:31:31,590 Like I was on a podcast. And then I went and started my own 1408 01:31:31,590 --> 01:31:34,410 podcast. I mean, we have a family tree. 1409 01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:37,980 Well, it could be very much like the guest or the person tag. Who 1410 01:31:37,980 --> 01:31:43,710 knows. podcast players that work on external sites, blogs, 1411 01:31:43,710 --> 01:31:47,340 profiles and community forums. The site was the site was shut 1412 01:31:47,340 --> 01:31:56,340 down in 2015. Late Yeah, but so he and I'm not even sure if he 1413 01:31:56,340 --> 01:31:59,400 made money, how he made money. But he was just such a 1414 01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:03,030 delightful guy. And he just could not help but love someone 1415 01:32:03,030 --> 01:32:06,330 who had a guy with a picker walking around. It was just 1416 01:32:06,330 --> 01:32:10,020 beautiful. It was you know, it's just one of those. Yeah, one of 1417 01:32:10,020 --> 01:32:11,490 those things, one of those people, 1418 01:32:11,940 --> 01:32:14,550 I will commit myself to a podcasting tip on a T shirt. 1419 01:32:14,610 --> 01:32:16,260 Yes. As far as I'm going. Okay. 1420 01:32:16,350 --> 01:32:17,910 All right. How about Melissa? 1421 01:32:19,440 --> 01:32:26,370 That's a hard pass. Yes, no, I could not drive her and drag her 1422 01:32:26,370 --> 01:32:28,770 kicking and screaming to a podcast conference, even if I 1423 01:32:28,770 --> 01:32:32,100 wanted to do she will be doing her own thing. And I will be 1424 01:32:32,100 --> 01:32:34,200 going to meet with podcast nerds. 1425 01:32:35,940 --> 01:32:38,250 Now, we are eventually going to have to do some actual 1426 01:32:38,250 --> 01:32:40,950 marketing. But I think that the timing is just not right for us 1427 01:32:40,950 --> 01:32:45,180 right now. Once the site is up once we've got that going. But I 1428 01:32:45,180 --> 01:32:47,940 think we have, you know, just through word of mouth, we're 1429 01:32:47,940 --> 01:32:50,550 getting some people interested and stuff is happening. Dave, I 1430 01:32:50,550 --> 01:32:53,790 know you're pushing real hard on the hosting side. You talk to a 1431 01:32:53,790 --> 01:32:57,420 lot of people. And Eric is sadly Eric is just going to have to be 1432 01:32:57,420 --> 01:33:01,710 the one that builds it all. At least that part. Yeah. I'm 1433 01:33:01,710 --> 01:33:07,380 juggling the contracts and the code. Briefly, we we had you 1434 01:33:07,440 --> 01:33:09,720 Eric was on the call. We are on the call Dave, the developer 1435 01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:14,310 call the video call. He was very interested in the majority of it 1436 01:33:14,310 --> 01:33:17,250 was about well, first of all, I still don't have a cost of pod 1437 01:33:17,250 --> 01:33:18,870 install. Surprise, surprise. 1438 01:33:18,900 --> 01:33:20,670 We've got one. I know 1439 01:33:20,670 --> 01:33:28,890 I can't get it to work. It's the it was about cross comments. And 1440 01:33:28,890 --> 01:33:32,820 it it I think it got to a pretty good place. And I don't want to 1441 01:33:32,820 --> 01:33:36,510 say what any conclusions are. But it seems like there was a 1442 01:33:36,510 --> 01:33:43,140 lot of consensus for a reference implementation of activity pub 1443 01:33:44,310 --> 01:33:49,380 with the special mastodon bit so it would be compatible a lot of 1444 01:33:49,380 --> 01:33:52,410 this based on a presentation that was given to us by a scene 1445 01:33:52,410 --> 01:33:57,900 from cast apod cast to bud. I love how they say custom pod. 1446 01:34:00,330 --> 01:34:02,730 Eric, did I represent that correctly? 1447 01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:06,990 Yeah, it seemed like they have a there's a, I think a workable 1448 01:34:06,990 --> 01:34:11,160 path towards getting this this kind of non centralized 1449 01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:15,120 commenting, is it's interesting. I mean, I came in a little late 1450 01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:17,190 on the call, but well, and here's 1451 01:34:17,340 --> 01:34:20,310 I think we're beyond the point of moderation. We're now down to 1452 01:34:20,310 --> 01:34:23,670 the point of, we're still figuring there's like a less 1453 01:34:23,670 --> 01:34:27,000 decentralized way of how the root node is created. So that 1454 01:34:27,030 --> 01:34:30,150 you know the Someone has to someone has to be a part of it, 1455 01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:36,000 to start it. And that could be on a per app basis. Really the 1456 01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:40,320 push would be for hosting companies to do it. Which would 1457 01:34:40,590 --> 01:34:44,910 not necessarily be a heavy lift, but I cautious in saying that. 1458 01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:49,710 Dan Benjamin will do it. He'll do anything 1459 01:34:50,970 --> 01:34:57,330 like the Mikey, the Mikey of podcasts, anything. What was the 1460 01:34:57,330 --> 01:34:58,470 beauty of it? Nobody 1461 01:34:58,470 --> 01:35:00,690 younger than 40 100 and gets that right. Reference at all? 1462 01:35:01,380 --> 01:35:07,170 It probably Yeah. 40 or older actually. And that was the there 1463 01:35:07,170 --> 01:35:10,830 was another extra. Oh, yeah. That I think we came down to as 1464 01:35:10,830 --> 01:35:16,230 well, as long as podcasters can opt out, or Yeah, opt out. I 1465 01:35:16,230 --> 01:35:20,850 said, Yeah, I think that's what the way it was discussed. As an 1466 01:35:20,850 --> 01:35:26,550 okay, I don't want my comments, then. I think there's a path, 1467 01:35:26,580 --> 01:35:27,870 there's multiple paths. 1468 01:35:28,380 --> 01:35:30,240 So that opt out would be a tag. 1469 01:35:30,570 --> 01:35:33,900 That's the Yeah. But there's, you know, there's some other 1470 01:35:33,900 --> 01:35:37,680 things that have to be looked at. And, you know, it always 1471 01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:41,430 comes down to source of truth and can't get into the feed. And 1472 01:35:41,430 --> 01:35:44,100 that's the bottom line. And all the hacks we're making are 1473 01:35:44,100 --> 01:35:49,980 really, because hosting companies don't jump to when we 1474 01:35:49,980 --> 01:35:53,850 say they should jump. I say hey, put this tag in your hosting 1475 01:35:53,850 --> 01:35:56,760 company. They'll go su Adam Curry. 1476 01:35:59,340 --> 01:36:02,220 Yeah, and that or they say, I don't give a flying f about 1477 01:36:02,220 --> 01:36:05,460 podcasting. index.org like, certainly, no, that's the 1478 01:36:05,460 --> 01:36:06,780 journalist response. I'm sorry. 1479 01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:15,450 I'd love to Oh, hold on a second. Here's your cute uh, 1480 01:36:15,450 --> 01:36:21,750 booth. You know, I know you want to boost everybody. Bring it on. 1481 01:36:23,700 --> 01:36:28,950 I would like to play Rogen civil disagreement. Oh, 1482 01:36:29,430 --> 01:36:33,450 okay. Here we go. Ping that does give me Hold on let me just jack 1483 01:36:33,450 --> 01:36:35,880 up the volume of it. Really. Just some of your clips are 1484 01:36:35,880 --> 01:36:36,960 really low day. 1485 01:36:37,440 --> 01:36:40,170 I usually amplify them but but I wasn't in a 1486 01:36:40,170 --> 01:36:42,690 hurry this we thought I screw it just leave it up to curry. 1487 01:36:42,930 --> 01:36:45,900 Yeah, it's like when you're drywall in a room and a huge gap 1488 01:36:45,900 --> 01:36:48,780 that looks terribly like the guy that she rubbed my guys and get 1489 01:36:48,780 --> 01:36:48,840 it. 1490 01:36:49,590 --> 01:36:55,230 Done. There we go. thing that does give me hope about 1491 01:36:55,260 --> 01:37:00,510 podcasting is that podcast this podcast, yours many others. But 1492 01:37:00,510 --> 01:37:03,780 you can have people of differing political persuasions, 1493 01:37:03,780 --> 01:37:06,840 absolutely have conversations and be civil with each other. 1494 01:37:06,870 --> 01:37:11,280 Yeah, I've had people on this podcast that I fuckin violently 1495 01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:12,330 disagree with. Sure. 1496 01:37:12,360 --> 01:37:17,160 And I agree with me today even on things. I think he was 1497 01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:18,870 actually referring to me in the first bit. 1498 01:37:20,310 --> 01:37:22,350 I just thought that was I thought that was true. And we've 1499 01:37:22,350 --> 01:37:26,430 touched on it before, like, there's all kinds of everybody 1500 01:37:26,430 --> 01:37:30,540 can. The beautiful thing about about open source about tech is 1501 01:37:30,540 --> 01:37:36,120 that everybody can can get angry and ticked off and have their 1502 01:37:36,120 --> 01:37:38,220 own personal political viewpoints and that kind of 1503 01:37:38,220 --> 01:37:44,010 thing. But when you if you can agree on a standard on a spec, 1504 01:37:44,730 --> 01:37:48,330 it eliminates all that stuff. None of that other stuff 1505 01:37:48,330 --> 01:37:52,560 matters. It all becomes ancillary. All that matters is 1506 01:37:52,740 --> 01:37:56,760 the goal and the project. And I think that's one one thing 1507 01:37:56,760 --> 01:38:01,350 that's beautiful that alessian about the developer meetings and 1508 01:38:01,500 --> 01:38:04,320 me you get on those on those JC calls, and nobody even knows 1509 01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:08,220 what the other person's politics are. It's about the shared the 1510 01:38:08,220 --> 01:38:10,980 shared vision and the goal. I just think it's beautiful. 1511 01:38:11,940 --> 01:38:16,650 Um, there's a parallel here with a difference. And what I 1512 01:38:16,650 --> 01:38:22,140 witnessed in the early days, and I was much better i was i was in 1513 01:38:22,140 --> 01:38:25,410 contact with Dave Weiner on a regular basis much more involved 1514 01:38:25,410 --> 01:38:31,110 in his orbit. Certainly with even before podcasting with RSS, 1515 01:38:31,140 --> 01:38:35,670 the whole creation of the what became, was it Oh, point nine 1516 01:38:35,670 --> 01:38:41,190 and then you know, jumped to ready to jump to 2.0 RSS 2.0. I 1517 01:38:41,190 --> 01:38:41,880 can't remember. 1518 01:38:42,089 --> 01:38:45,929 There was a 1.0. That was like an it was that was some RDF. 1519 01:38:45,959 --> 01:38:48,779 Yeah, that was already else. And he did Oh, point nine oh, point. 1520 01:38:48,779 --> 01:38:53,819 912, I think. But I just saw there was so much vitriol, and I 1521 01:38:53,819 --> 01:38:58,019 was on his side. And you know, Dave Winer, a bit too. I mean, 1522 01:38:58,169 --> 01:39:01,949 he, for my, I felt he could be very vicious. And the whole I 1523 01:39:01,949 --> 01:39:05,579 was like, wow, this is really quite, everyone's kind of out to 1524 01:39:05,579 --> 01:39:10,199 screw each other and is poking the bear. And I saw like him, as 1525 01:39:10,199 --> 01:39:14,489 I'm doing scammy comments on each other's message boards 1526 01:39:14,489 --> 01:39:18,749 under pseudonyms and comments being deleted, and watch what 1527 01:39:18,749 --> 01:39:22,139 he's gonna do. And that was very, I'm not saying that's Dave 1528 01:39:22,139 --> 01:39:26,249 Weiner today. I think he was still kind of wrapped up in the 1529 01:39:26,249 --> 01:39:29,939 Silicon Valley game, which maybe many people are maybe, you know, 1530 01:39:30,119 --> 01:39:34,079 I don't know if it's necessarily part of that. But it does come 1531 01:39:34,079 --> 01:39:38,069 down to money to some degree. And, and that's what I 1532 01:39:38,459 --> 01:39:41,969 philosophically, I really like the lightning part of this 1533 01:39:41,969 --> 01:39:46,619 project, because it makes everybody equal, you know, 1534 01:39:46,649 --> 01:39:49,799 there's no other money coming in really, you know, the money for 1535 01:39:49,799 --> 01:39:52,319 everybody. There's this pool, and we said that upfront and you 1536 01:39:52,319 --> 01:39:55,469 know, here's what we're trying to do, you know, stabilize this, 1537 01:39:55,469 --> 01:40:00,689 preserve it, and then here's how we can make money and Somehow 1538 01:40:00,689 --> 01:40:03,329 that equalizes everything because no one controls the 1539 01:40:03,329 --> 01:40:07,469 money. There's no investor. I think it's some kind of it is an 1540 01:40:07,469 --> 01:40:12,599 added beauty to the system. I am I crazy thinking this? Am I just 1541 01:40:13,139 --> 01:40:13,589 what? 1542 01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:18,030 They've, they want to call me a republican one time and I think 1543 01:40:18,030 --> 01:40:20,430 that's the last time I ever spoke to and guess how 1544 01:40:20,430 --> 01:40:22,200 insulting Well yeah, no 1545 01:40:22,200 --> 01:40:29,130 Well, yeah so but I was thinking you know over time have come to 1546 01:40:29,130 --> 01:40:34,470 sympathize in and he kicked me off multiple projects of his of 1547 01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:41,610 but over time I think that I've come to understand him a little 1548 01:40:41,610 --> 01:40:46,440 bit maybe better. And not that not that I necessarily agree 1549 01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:51,960 with some of the things that he did. But I do sort of like a 1550 01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:56,580 Richard Stallman type deal. I think he's an easy person to 1551 01:40:56,580 --> 01:41:01,980 vilify. Because he does, he does not sugarcoat anything that he 1552 01:41:01,980 --> 01:41:05,580 says, Yeah, anything at all. And anytime that you deal with a 1553 01:41:05,580 --> 01:41:08,820 person like that, it's hard. Because you got him 1554 01:41:08,820 --> 01:41:11,430 You got him kicked out of MIT for just being completely 1555 01:41:11,430 --> 01:41:12,180 honest. 1556 01:41:12,450 --> 01:41:15,300 Yeah. And it doesn't like being honest, doesn't mean you're 1557 01:41:15,300 --> 01:41:17,400 right. It just means you're honest. And you know what you're 1558 01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:20,130 going to get. And that's, you're going to have to expect that if 1559 01:41:20,130 --> 01:41:21,690 you're going to deal with somebody like that, you're going 1560 01:41:21,690 --> 01:41:24,930 to have to have extremely thick skin. But I guess, 1561 01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:29,250 I guess without focusing on, on those individuals, it felt the 1562 01:41:29,250 --> 01:41:34,050 same to me everywhere, you know, with whoever was playing in the 1563 01:41:34,050 --> 01:41:39,120 game. In fact, there were several developers who were 1564 01:41:39,120 --> 01:41:44,130 creating pod catchers as we categorize them. And I felt they 1565 01:41:44,130 --> 01:41:46,200 got a little diminished somewhere along the line, 1566 01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:49,140 because other bigger it was just, it was a weird thing. 1567 01:41:49,140 --> 01:41:53,100 There was money in it, maybe, but money that was perhaps vast. 1568 01:41:53,280 --> 01:41:57,570 And then this is before I started pod show. This was all 1569 01:41:57,570 --> 01:42:00,660 still at the base level. And that was in those days, it was 1570 01:42:00,660 --> 01:42:04,320 an interrupt and these types of cross communications. I mean, 1571 01:42:04,320 --> 01:42:08,610 they were, what else were they doing? Of course, the ATM the 1572 01:42:08,610 --> 01:42:13,440 ATM fee, you know, was a con was competition, I think that was 1573 01:42:13,440 --> 01:42:17,880 mainly funded by Microsoft. And that was competing with RSS, it 1574 01:42:17,880 --> 01:42:21,150 was just a whole bunch of weird stuff that has an analogy here. 1575 01:42:21,150 --> 01:42:25,920 But I just feel that the money but the Bitcoin value part makes 1576 01:42:25,920 --> 01:42:28,770 the difference in this project versus 18 years ago. 1577 01:42:29,550 --> 01:42:31,650 Everybody, I think everybody understands, I think I 1578 01:42:31,650 --> 01:42:33,750 understand what you're saying. Now everybody understands, 1579 01:42:33,750 --> 01:42:37,380 probably, if not immediately, but quickly thereafter that 1580 01:42:38,130 --> 01:42:42,210 you're if you want to get in that game, you have to 1581 01:42:42,390 --> 01:42:44,310 cooperate. Yeah, interrupt. Exactly. 1582 01:42:45,060 --> 01:42:48,060 That's the way that that's the way you get to the goal of 1583 01:42:48,240 --> 01:42:51,720 making either making money or being sustainable with your 1584 01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:53,850 project, is you have to enter on that 1585 01:42:53,850 --> 01:42:57,390 stick. So in my mind, I can remember Dave Weiner talking to 1586 01:42:57,390 --> 01:42:59,220 someone else saying, you know, those guys are gonna they say 1587 01:42:59,220 --> 01:43:02,400 that I'm going to interrupt with them. And I didn't know if that 1588 01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:05,040 was a good or bad thing the way it was said, but it wasn't a 1589 01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:07,920 big, big, big deal. And now it's like that we know, that's the 1590 01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:09,630 only way to go in Iraq or die. 1591 01:43:10,350 --> 01:43:16,110 Yeah, you're either that's the way that you make yourself 1592 01:43:16,170 --> 01:43:20,340 successful is through interrupt, and in the, in the past, when 1593 01:43:20,340 --> 01:43:24,000 projects are just ideal when they're just based on idealism. 1594 01:43:24,510 --> 01:43:27,990 Like, that's what makes something different than that 1595 01:43:27,990 --> 01:43:30,960 old comic, that's like, okay, we have 11 standards. And now you 1596 01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:34,380 propose a new standard. Now you got 12 standards like that. 1597 01:43:34,440 --> 01:43:41,040 That's the difference between this and that, is that by in by 1598 01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:45,540 interrupt interrupting with with Bitcoin with lightning, you 1599 01:43:45,570 --> 01:43:48,570 that's how you define success, because that's how you make your 1600 01:43:48,570 --> 01:43:52,290 project make money and be sustainable. Whereas otherwise, 1601 01:43:52,290 --> 01:43:56,370 if it's just pure idealism, well, then your ideal is known 1602 01:43:56,700 --> 01:43:59,910 as on his merit may not be any better than anybody else's 1603 01:43:59,910 --> 01:44:03,450 ideal. And you're just arguing about, you know, you're just 1604 01:44:03,450 --> 01:44:07,800 arguing about your vision. Well, I mean, well, if they but in 1605 01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:11,190 this at the end of the day, your vision doesn't matter. If it 1606 01:44:11,190 --> 01:44:13,140 doesn't work with the system, then you're not gonna make any 1607 01:44:13,140 --> 01:44:17,190 money in the person who's gonna make money their visions gonna 1608 01:44:17,190 --> 01:44:21,330 win because they're going to be successful. So that I mean, I 1609 01:44:21,330 --> 01:44:25,380 think you're right, I think the the financial interrup really 1610 01:44:25,380 --> 01:44:28,140 does drive the whole system financial interop 1611 01:44:28,140 --> 01:44:32,370 I love that. That's, that's the good guys version of d phi. 1612 01:44:35,190 --> 01:44:40,020 We're calling it fin ops. synapse, synapse. Oh, synapse. 1613 01:44:40,020 --> 01:44:45,900 Yes. And it's I like that and my recommendation is anyone and 1614 01:44:45,960 --> 01:44:50,430 literally everyone can get on the wheel of satoshis. Because 1615 01:44:50,430 --> 01:44:54,630 when you have a wallet, and you just see one Satoshi a minute 1616 01:44:54,630 --> 01:44:58,440 coming through, sometimes three oh boost, there's a couple 100 1617 01:44:59,160 --> 01:45:02,310 if you're in That's for everybody. I mean, everybody 1618 01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:09,570 competes on service and quality and experience and the money 1619 01:45:09,570 --> 01:45:14,700 flows. And whether you're an app developer hosting company, 1620 01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:20,550 podcast, or a podcast guest musician, you can get on the 1621 01:45:20,550 --> 01:45:25,020 wheat, the spinning wheel of satoshis. And it's spinning 1622 01:45:25,020 --> 01:45:29,220 already. The only thing I believe physics will show is 1623 01:45:29,220 --> 01:45:33,120 that it's going to spin faster. And there will be more on it, 1624 01:45:33,630 --> 01:45:36,900 then yeah, as we grow, I mean, we've we should do the numbers 1625 01:45:36,930 --> 01:45:40,440 of our how many how many podcasts now? value for value 1626 01:45:40,440 --> 01:45:43,200 enabled? 262. Oh, 1627 01:45:43,200 --> 01:45:47,790 it's a lot. Yeah. It's way over 200? Yeah, it's a lot and 1628 01:45:47,790 --> 01:45:48,720 they're in we're getting 1629 01:45:49,080 --> 01:45:51,810 next time you come to the board. I expect you to have your charts 1630 01:45:51,810 --> 01:45:52,920 in order, Mr. Jones. 1631 01:45:53,070 --> 01:45:57,690 Now print out my TPS report. Doesn't need a cover sheet. 1632 01:45:57,990 --> 01:46:01,290 I bet you if I ask Eric. He knows the number. Probably. 1633 01:46:02,340 --> 01:46:06,600 Eric, how many of you enable podcasts? I think it was 273. 1634 01:46:07,230 --> 01:46:13,230 Okay. It was pretty high. So again, some big getting some big 1635 01:46:13,230 --> 01:46:17,550 podcast to not you know, and getting some some larger 1636 01:46:17,550 --> 01:46:20,970 audience podcast like the survival podcast. I've been 1637 01:46:20,970 --> 01:46:23,430 listening to that show for ever. 1638 01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:24,720 No, I've never heard of this. 1639 01:46:25,260 --> 01:46:30,120 Oh, yeah. It's this guy, jack spear co started. Man, this 1640 01:46:30,120 --> 01:46:33,690 podcast has been going on, it's got to be over 10 years. 1641 01:46:34,230 --> 01:46:38,070 Minimum. He started by just recording himself on the way to 1642 01:46:38,070 --> 01:46:42,900 work and his day job every single day, for four years, 1643 01:46:42,990 --> 01:46:46,710 until he built up enough audience to, you know, to do 1644 01:46:46,710 --> 01:46:48,600 something more professional. But 1645 01:46:48,900 --> 01:46:50,070 what's it called again? 1646 01:46:50,580 --> 01:46:54,930 The survival podcast that he signed up a couple days ago. And 1647 01:46:54,930 --> 01:47:00,870 I was like, bingo. Perfect. How did you find initially? I don't 1648 01:47:00,870 --> 01:47:05,790 remember. I don't remember it was these he started it right 1649 01:47:05,790 --> 01:47:10,980 around the time of the 2008 financial crisis. So that would 1650 01:47:10,980 --> 01:47:12,420 be what 13 years. 1651 01:47:12,750 --> 01:47:14,820 So this and this is during his commute. 1652 01:47:15,390 --> 01:47:18,750 Yeah. And he was living in Texas and I think he eventually moved 1653 01:47:18,750 --> 01:47:23,160 to Arkansas. But he was like a some kind of SEO web marketing 1654 01:47:23,160 --> 01:47:26,700 guy think if I'm not mistaken, so he has an hour and 20 minute 1655 01:47:26,700 --> 01:47:32,550 commute. I think it was it was pretty long, but I don't know if 1656 01:47:32,550 --> 01:47:34,890 it's led to how long his episodes were back then. 1657 01:47:35,490 --> 01:47:38,340 I'm just gonna boost them right now. Just we talked about 1658 01:47:38,850 --> 01:47:44,040 getting done. Yeah. Good default 1000 SATs. Wow, man. 1659 01:47:46,860 --> 01:47:47,730 That's in the tip. 1660 01:47:49,410 --> 01:47:53,250 Oh, shoot. I should. I should let me do it. Let me just a tip 1661 01:47:53,250 --> 01:47:56,910 jar. I'm doing it live. Of course we're doing it live and 1662 01:47:56,910 --> 01:48:01,320 I'm gonna send it to the podcaster and I'm going to say 1663 01:48:04,410 --> 01:48:12,450 from the PC 2.0 gang. Hey, now all right. Send out cool. It 1664 01:48:12,450 --> 01:48:17,310 gives me like gray confetti. sprays when you do 1665 01:48:20,130 --> 01:48:24,840 excellent All right, we got anything else? 1666 01:48:25,110 --> 01:48:37,560 I don't know. I think we're good. Derek I'm not yet sure 1667 01:48:37,560 --> 01:48:41,070 what that means did I guess what I was saying is Do you have 1668 01:48:41,070 --> 01:48:45,690 anything else before we go? No. Dave, 1669 01:48:46,500 --> 01:48:52,080 I'm doing round two on the dried green beans. give those a shot 1670 01:48:52,140 --> 01:48:54,270 since I paid so much for mine and get my money's worth 1671 01:48:54,330 --> 01:48:55,470 excellent call back. 1672 01:48:55,500 --> 01:49:00,060 You are such a radio guy. Can I ask what is this? I haven't 1673 01:49:00,060 --> 01:49:07,170 opened it xe of my favorite pod talkers dot png What is that? 1674 01:49:07,470 --> 01:49:10,350 I want you to open that and look at it. Okay, 1675 01:49:11,310 --> 01:49:21,750 hold on a second. Zoom in. Okay. This is a picture of the pivot 1676 01:49:21,750 --> 01:49:25,950 podcast with Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway as my hate my 1677 01:49:25,950 --> 01:49:30,120 hate listen. Yeah. And it's just from Mark Spencer heart in throw 1678 01:49:30,120 --> 01:49:33,690 two of my favorite pod talkers Kara Swisher and prof Galloway 1679 01:49:33,990 --> 01:49:35,700 answered a question I'd sent to pivot. 1680 01:49:37,620 --> 01:49:39,780 Okay, that you might like this. Get all your favorite people in 1681 01:49:39,780 --> 01:49:39,930 it. 1682 01:49:40,350 --> 01:49:43,560 Oh, my goodness. Is that the I couldn't give an F about 1683 01:49:43,560 --> 01:49:51,690 podcasting. 2.0 No. He's got the same look. Yeah. All right, 1684 01:49:51,690 --> 01:49:55,350 thanks. I will not i'm not going to put that in the show notes. 1685 01:49:55,350 --> 01:50:00,000 No, no, no. That's no good. Alright guys. Well, holy crap. 1686 01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:03,690 Have a great weekend. It's been very even long today. I can't 1687 01:50:03,690 --> 01:50:07,050 believe it. Martin Martin's gonna be up until 3am listening 1688 01:50:07,050 --> 01:50:15,690 to us. Take care guys. We'll be back next Friday with another 1689 01:50:15,690 --> 01:50:19,350 edition of podcasting 2.0 the board meeting open source and 1690 01:50:19,350 --> 01:50:37,980 good to go see you then. You have been listening to 1691 01:50:38,010 --> 01:50:43,770 podcasting 2.0 visit podcasts in this dipole for more information 1692 01:50:45,750 --> 01:50:46,380 boost