1 00:00:00,420 --> 00:00:06,570 podcasting 2.0 for June 25 2021, Episode 43 What are they 2 00:00:06,570 --> 00:00:11,970 building? Oh yeah that question and many more shall be answered 3 00:00:11,970 --> 00:00:16,590 today during our board meeting of podcasting 2.0 it's open 4 00:00:16,590 --> 00:00:19,230 source everybody's welcome. Come on in the door is wide open 5 00:00:19,230 --> 00:00:22,890 chairs are ready for you, as we figure out and discuss and 6 00:00:22,890 --> 00:00:28,560 prognostic eyes that means about podcast index.org and everything 7 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,500 that goes on at podcast index dot social I'm Adam curry in 8 00:00:31,500 --> 00:00:34,860 Austin, Texas and in Alabama, the man who always delivers five 9 00:00:34,860 --> 00:00:39,030 nines uptime my friend on the other end game Jones. 10 00:00:39,690 --> 00:00:41,550 You say prognosticators. Yes, I'm 11 00:00:41,550 --> 00:00:47,640 like that I just came out like Well, I don't know what I said. 12 00:00:48,330 --> 00:00:48,720 Hey, 13 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:49,650 what up? What up, 14 00:00:49,650 --> 00:00:53,130 bro? Yeah, word up, bro. We have almost not spoken this week. I 15 00:00:53,130 --> 00:00:53,460 think. 16 00:00:53,970 --> 00:00:54,870 I know. It's kind of weird. 17 00:00:55,020 --> 00:00:59,580 Yeah. Well, it's I'm now I'm I am really in the middle of boxes 18 00:00:59,580 --> 00:01:07,470 now. Finally. In the studio as Let me see Monday. Yeah, Monday 19 00:01:07,470 --> 00:01:10,890 we leave. We go to the new the new casa. 20 00:01:11,370 --> 00:01:14,250 It's imminent. It's imminent. 21 00:01:14,340 --> 00:01:18,450 What do you mean eminent? Your move? Oh, no, it's no, it's 22 00:01:18,450 --> 00:01:22,620 happening. Yes, it's happening. But man, I thought Still, we 23 00:01:22,620 --> 00:01:28,080 were pretty much minimalist. But if we look at Ben and Tina is if 24 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:34,680 we look at Adams stuff, which Tina collectively calls your 25 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:35,550 wires. 26 00:01:36,900 --> 00:01:38,220 And everything's a wire. 27 00:01:39,300 --> 00:01:42,330 Everything has a wire attached to it, you know, like, I wanted 28 00:01:42,330 --> 00:01:45,300 to have the wire stuck into the device rather than go to some 29 00:01:45,300 --> 00:01:46,920 wire box and have to find it. 30 00:01:47,580 --> 00:01:51,510 And there was some study done co gotchas thing I saw maybe a year 31 00:01:51,510 --> 00:01:54,300 ago. And it was I don't know where it was. I don't remember 32 00:01:54,300 --> 00:01:58,620 the details. But all I remember was they, they they took a bunch 33 00:01:58,620 --> 00:02:02,850 of wires and stuff and just left them alone. And they would 34 00:02:02,850 --> 00:02:06,930 tangle themselves. No. Like That was the whole study was to see 35 00:02:06,930 --> 00:02:11,100 it like and the conclusion was wires will always self tangle. 36 00:02:11,100 --> 00:02:13,380 It was like some sort of cool theory experiment. Yeah. 37 00:02:13,439 --> 00:02:16,679 And yeah, it kind of makes sense. I guess. They are alive. 38 00:02:17,039 --> 00:02:19,889 Then. They have a life of their own. Yeah, some of them walk 39 00:02:19,889 --> 00:02:22,529 away. You can't find it. You know, you know where you put it 40 00:02:22,529 --> 00:02:27,569 and it just walks away. I've got an ordinate amount of ham radio 41 00:02:27,569 --> 00:02:29,069 gear. Now I 42 00:02:29,070 --> 00:02:33,180 bet you gearhead ham radio gear heads, man, you can't have just 43 00:02:33,180 --> 00:02:33,990 one song. Oh 44 00:02:33,990 --> 00:02:38,460 no, I've got two meter rigs. I've got my first you know, the 45 00:02:38,580 --> 00:02:47,070 all band rig which is 100 watt. I think it's a nice break. It's 46 00:02:47,070 --> 00:02:52,290 a break. It's 30 pounds. And I've got antenna tuners and 47 00:02:52,290 --> 00:02:55,740 wires and oh my god. It's just nuts. 48 00:02:56,340 --> 00:02:58,680 You don't have time for you for much ham radio these days. 49 00:02:59,219 --> 00:03:01,409 I haven't had time but I mean the pandemic would have been 50 00:03:01,409 --> 00:03:06,899 perfect. But we we started doing podcasting 2.0 and we only 51 00:03:06,899 --> 00:03:09,299 really just moved into this house two years ago and even 52 00:03:09,299 --> 00:03:13,529 though I had a like a mask put in in the back not a full on 53 00:03:13,529 --> 00:03:16,589 pylon mask but something I could easily attach something else to. 54 00:03:17,129 --> 00:03:19,799 I never never strung up any antenna. 55 00:03:20,100 --> 00:03:24,270 Never got to it. Well, you're actually saving the world now 56 00:03:24,270 --> 00:03:25,230 instead of pretending 57 00:03:26,610 --> 00:03:27,210 that's good. 58 00:03:28,230 --> 00:03:32,340 I haven't played that in such a long time. Hold on. hams will 59 00:03:32,340 --> 00:03:35,160 save the world Yes, we need to listen to the whole thing. Bruce 60 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:39,270 parents, everybody now here we have ham radio guys. Ham 61 00:03:39,270 --> 00:03:44,460 radio is the public service network of last resort. When the 62 00:03:44,460 --> 00:03:48,270 apocalypse comes where the guys who are going to save the world. 63 00:03:48,270 --> 00:03:51,540 Right, right. Yeah, pandemic 64 00:03:51,540 --> 00:03:55,110 hit flip on the two meter band. All I got is one guy going like 65 00:03:55,110 --> 00:04:03,540 test mic test. Stupid ham. CQ. CQ. CQ. Yeah. Not a lot of CQ. 66 00:04:03,540 --> 00:04:08,820 And going on on the local repeaters. Ah, so before we get 67 00:04:08,820 --> 00:04:13,470 started, I feel kind of bad. About our last show. Yeah. And 68 00:04:13,470 --> 00:04:17,400 well, I was I was bitching about about my move and, and that 69 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:22,740 Martin had been a friend Martin had been dragged down into, you 70 00:04:22,740 --> 00:04:27,210 know, he also bought a house. He's he proposed to his fiance. 71 00:04:28,140 --> 00:04:31,140 Yeah, basically, he's like, we've lost him. He's gone. We'll 72 00:04:31,140 --> 00:04:32,040 never see him again. 73 00:04:33,210 --> 00:04:35,910 He made him feel so bad about himself that he open sources 74 00:04:35,910 --> 00:04:37,440 software and hit the deck. 75 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,640 Well, I'm gonna make I'm out. Now, I don't know. Did he 76 00:04:41,820 --> 00:04:45,390 release an upgrade right after we released the show, which is 77 00:04:45,390 --> 00:04:48,330 fantastic. Then he went ahead and the open source the whole 78 00:04:48,330 --> 00:04:52,140 thing and we have a little little present for him. You know 79 00:04:52,140 --> 00:04:58,770 what's really hot, open source. Send your pull request. Now. 80 00:05:04,590 --> 00:05:12,930 Pull Requests engine pull request. Dame Jennifer hero, 81 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,480 heroine of podcasting 2.0 82 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:21,990 I mean, that just brings back every memory of one 800 number. 83 00:05:24,210 --> 00:05:27,030 People even remote I mean, that's not even a thing anymore. 84 00:05:27,030 --> 00:05:28,380 I don't think it is in Europe. 85 00:05:28,740 --> 00:05:31,890 Europe is still is still got a lot of phones. Excellent. Yeah, 86 00:05:31,890 --> 00:05:36,450 the advertise it on TV after 1am. Yeah, they got the softcore 87 00:05:36,450 --> 00:05:39,540 kind of video and then the numbers call me. Are you alone? 88 00:05:39,540 --> 00:05:42,300 Baby? I gotta play it one more time just just for the effect 89 00:05:42,300 --> 00:05:43,500 for myself. Yeah, you 90 00:05:43,500 --> 00:05:50,100 know what's really open source? Send your pull request now. 91 00:05:55,170 --> 00:05:57,090 Well, that gets that one gets me since 92 00:05:57,090 --> 00:05:59,790 we're doing it. We might as well remind everybody, this is a 93 00:05:59,820 --> 00:06:03,930 podcasting 2.0 compliant podcast. We expect you're 94 00:06:03,930 --> 00:06:08,280 listening to this on a compatible podcast app. If not 95 00:06:08,280 --> 00:06:12,660 go to new podcast apps.com Here's your cue to boost you 96 00:06:12,660 --> 00:06:18,120 know you want to sexiest sexiest nerd show in the universe, 97 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:23,730 is it's the only redemption this show has is those jingles. Now 98 00:06:23,730 --> 00:06:25,080 it was it would be mega nerd. 99 00:06:25,170 --> 00:06:30,510 When someone like a Martin open sources, his whole project. What 100 00:06:30,510 --> 00:06:35,010 does that say? As a developer, and we should ask him, 101 00:06:35,070 --> 00:06:39,750 obviously, but it's more fun to talk behind his back. What? What 102 00:06:39,750 --> 00:06:42,750 does that mean? What brings you to that point? As a developer, 103 00:06:42,750 --> 00:06:43,380 do you think? 104 00:06:44,610 --> 00:06:48,810 I think if you will, personally I think you can get you can say 105 00:06:48,810 --> 00:06:55,200 two things. One of two things. He could say, some business 106 00:06:55,200 --> 00:07:00,030 reason. So you've decided that the business model you had for 107 00:07:00,030 --> 00:07:05,190 your product is not going to materialize the way you thought 108 00:07:05,190 --> 00:07:08,940 it would. And you would be better off by open sourcing it 109 00:07:08,940 --> 00:07:11,010 so that you can build a community around it. So that 110 00:07:11,010 --> 00:07:15,090 would be like the Mozilla model. Where say, Well, okay, we're 111 00:07:15,090 --> 00:07:17,100 gonna change gears here, we're gonna change direction, we're 112 00:07:17,100 --> 00:07:20,160 gonna go from a we're gonna compete, we want to be able to 113 00:07:20,190 --> 00:07:24,300 people to buy our web browser. And now we're going to flip over 114 00:07:24,300 --> 00:07:28,680 to building an open source community around the browser, in 115 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:32,160 switch sort of switch models. I think you could do it that way. 116 00:07:32,430 --> 00:07:38,370 Or as a on a smaller scale you can I think somebody like us, or 117 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:44,250 Martin or get Laramie, or cast upon here, they, you sort of go 118 00:07:44,250 --> 00:07:47,910 into it with the idea that eventually you probably are 119 00:07:47,910 --> 00:07:53,100 going to do it. I don't know if Martin thought that way. But I 120 00:07:53,100 --> 00:07:55,710 feel like you probably did, it's not something that you just wake 121 00:07:55,710 --> 00:07:58,050 up one day and say, Oh, I'm going to throw this up on 122 00:07:58,050 --> 00:08:02,070 GitHub. Like you don't just do that. He typically probably had 123 00:08:02,070 --> 00:08:05,460 some inkling already that it was not going to be a closed system. 124 00:08:06,030 --> 00:08:10,920 And so you will, you're already sort of mentally prepared to, to 125 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,310 make this switch. He may say I'm totally wrong. But those are, 126 00:08:14,460 --> 00:08:17,370 those are the two ways that I come to it usually, like, 127 00:08:18,030 --> 00:08:21,060 typically I will, if I know ahead of time I buy I'm never 128 00:08:21,060 --> 00:08:25,440 I'm never going to open sources or eventually AM. Because if you 129 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:29,160 go into it with the idea that you're never going to open 130 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,500 source it if you think it's going to be closed, just a just 131 00:08:31,500 --> 00:08:35,520 a silent or not a solid but a proprietary product forever. You 132 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,980 make decisions that really come back to bite you in the rear 133 00:08:37,980 --> 00:08:42,300 later. Oh, when you go to you have to do a lot of cleanup a 134 00:08:42,300 --> 00:08:46,500 lot. Because I mean, things like hard coding stuff in there 135 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:48,960 in the code. Yeah, that no one can figure out later. 136 00:08:49,560 --> 00:08:55,380 Yeah, well, and things like configuration files and how to 137 00:08:55,380 --> 00:09:00,720 how to look where you put certain parameters and like, how 138 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:04,020 do you treat the environment, all these sorts of things, they 139 00:09:04,170 --> 00:09:08,220 will come back to haunt you later on, if you don't sort of 140 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,600 think a little bit in that direction up front. So I mean, 141 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,270 it's hard enough to clean up the code. And the reason I haven't 142 00:09:15,270 --> 00:09:19,740 released the API code, as open source is, you know, that was a 143 00:09:19,740 --> 00:09:24,000 lot of that was fork lifted out of freedom controller, at least 144 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,970 on the aggregator side, and I had this other project that I 145 00:09:26,970 --> 00:09:31,590 had done, that was partially open source, where I get the API 146 00:09:31,650 --> 00:09:35,880 part, or the rest part and merge those two together. So they were 147 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:40,740 both previously open sourced. And even them both being open 148 00:09:40,740 --> 00:09:44,490 source before, is still going to be a lot of cleanup to have to 149 00:09:44,490 --> 00:09:47,370 go through and do it. Right. So yeah, I mean, you gotta you got 150 00:09:47,370 --> 00:09:50,190 to look for stuff because if you if you roll it out there, you'll 151 00:09:50,190 --> 00:09:54,690 you'll end up getting things like the dreaded GitHub, notice 152 00:09:55,080 --> 00:10:01,260 an email that says, hey, just a heads up. You have hard coded s3 153 00:10:01,260 --> 00:10:02,160 credentials in your 154 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:04,650 scan for that. 155 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:09,570 Yeah, they did happen so often it's easy to forget, wow, he put 156 00:10:09,570 --> 00:10:12,150 something in here for testing, you know, over here, right? 157 00:10:14,430 --> 00:10:18,330 Well, it's kind of interesting the way you characterize it in 158 00:10:18,330 --> 00:10:20,760 the very beginnings, we just started the show, because for 159 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,330 me, it did have a little bit of a vibe of, alright, here, it 160 00:10:24,330 --> 00:10:27,870 isn't just open sourcing this thing. I got I got stuff to do. 161 00:10:32,220 --> 00:10:36,150 I mean, and I'm just I'm just telling you, my first impression 162 00:10:36,150 --> 00:10:40,650 is it's based on nothing. It's just like, Oh, I think it's 163 00:10:40,650 --> 00:10:42,510 good. I don't know. 164 00:10:43,530 --> 00:10:47,070 Some some, sometimes you look at your own project, and you say, 165 00:10:47,100 --> 00:10:51,180 I'm, I'm struggling to find the time to put into it that I want. 166 00:10:51,210 --> 00:10:53,700 That's what I think. Yeah. Okay, that sounds good. All right. 167 00:10:53,700 --> 00:10:54,120 Yeah. 168 00:10:54,450 --> 00:10:57,720 It's not like you're giving up on it. But you, you're hoping 169 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,890 that somebody else can, can take it further and learn from it. 170 00:11:01,890 --> 00:11:04,320 You just want to give back so to speak. And rather than sitting 171 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:04,860 on this, 172 00:11:05,100 --> 00:11:08,460 I think it's a family. It's a fantastic gift. I mean, holy 173 00:11:08,460 --> 00:11:08,940 crap. 174 00:11:09,390 --> 00:11:13,950 Yeah. 100%. That's a huge deal, because he's implemented so many 175 00:11:14,070 --> 00:11:19,620 2.0 features. Yeah, it will face Facebook could definitely pick 176 00:11:19,620 --> 00:11:23,790 up some of that stuff and learn from it. Yeah. I'm serious. 177 00:11:23,790 --> 00:11:27,330 They're all react, they invented react, and he had all his stuff 178 00:11:27,330 --> 00:11:30,330 done in react. And he's a great programmer. They can take some 179 00:11:30,330 --> 00:11:32,910 of his like transcript stuff, they could pull it right out of 180 00:11:32,910 --> 00:11:35,130 his code and tweak and shove it right into Facebook. 181 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:39,570 I sure hope Facebook considers using the namespace. I mean, 182 00:11:39,570 --> 00:11:42,180 they're starting from scratch, why would they not? I mean, what 183 00:11:42,180 --> 00:11:44,730 penalty is there? Besides, you know, obviously, you have to 184 00:11:45,030 --> 00:11:48,450 code in the features, but it would it'll, I think the way I 185 00:11:48,540 --> 00:11:52,920 the way I view pod friend and Curio caster and other web apps 186 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:57,480 in general, it's really a nice experience desktop. Yeah, 187 00:11:57,690 --> 00:12:00,420 especially with chapters and that stuff. It's it really comes 188 00:12:00,420 --> 00:12:01,020 to life. 189 00:12:01,650 --> 00:12:05,520 When I was thinking about Facebook the other day, I think 190 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,460 it was last night, I was listening to pod land. And 191 00:12:08,490 --> 00:12:10,860 Cridland actually changed my mind a little bit on Facebook, 192 00:12:10,980 --> 00:12:13,680 on their entry into the game, because he was saying that they 193 00:12:13,680 --> 00:12:18,630 probably are going to be targeting new people that have 194 00:12:18,630 --> 00:12:23,250 never listened to podcasts before, like boomers, you know 195 00:12:23,250 --> 00:12:27,870 that that group, and non technical Boomer age people that 196 00:12:27,870 --> 00:12:30,240 probably just don't, they don't know anything about podcasts, 197 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,450 they don't listen to them. And I can see that. I mean, that makes 198 00:12:33,450 --> 00:12:35,430 a lot of sense. If that's the case, that brings in a whole lot 199 00:12:35,430 --> 00:12:37,440 more listeners to the, to the ecosystem. 200 00:12:39,570 --> 00:12:44,190 Yeah, I'm good with that. It is kind of interesting to see how 201 00:12:44,190 --> 00:12:48,660 and I'm gonna say it again, you cannot monetize the network. And 202 00:12:48,660 --> 00:12:51,030 this is not going to work for Apple. It's not going to work 203 00:12:51,030 --> 00:12:57,600 for for Spotify. And now Amazon has purchased. What is it? art? 204 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:05,490 19? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I've got Bernard 19. They do hosting, 205 00:13:05,490 --> 00:13:05,820 right. 206 00:13:06,510 --> 00:13:09,390 Yeah, I think at least at some point in time, they may still do 207 00:13:09,390 --> 00:13:12,450 it. They hosted New York, some of the New York podcast. 208 00:13:13,170 --> 00:13:15,930 And we'll see we'll see how open they all want to be Apple is 209 00:13:15,930 --> 00:13:19,050 clearly given up. They just don't they just don't care. 210 00:13:20,130 --> 00:13:26,760 Barletta said, he posted a thing the other day and said, we'll 211 00:13:27,180 --> 00:13:30,930 hear about that. This Morning about the art 19 thing. He said, 212 00:13:30,930 --> 00:13:34,590 Will this drive Apple and Google to acquire hosting companies? 213 00:13:35,370 --> 00:13:39,720 I don't think No, No, No, No way. No way. No, that's a pipe 214 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:40,080 dream. 215 00:13:40,110 --> 00:13:42,270 Nope. In fact, was already got a hose 216 00:13:42,300 --> 00:13:44,580 there already. I was already hosting it. What, what it's 217 00:13:44,580 --> 00:13:46,860 going to do is they're going to drive more people towards their 218 00:13:46,860 --> 00:13:52,020 subscription content and away from whatever the iTunes charts 219 00:13:52,020 --> 00:13:53,670 just won't matter that much. I don't think. 220 00:13:54,300 --> 00:13:56,940 Yeah, I agree. I agree and go and Google just doesn't care. 221 00:13:57,150 --> 00:14:01,080 That's podcasts, or podcasts or just a side gig for them. They 222 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,950 don't. I mean, they this is this is the typical thing with Google 223 00:14:04,950 --> 00:14:08,040 they just built they build it. And then they forget about it. 224 00:14:08,250 --> 00:14:09,600 And it just sits there and runs. 225 00:14:09,660 --> 00:14:12,420 Now when I say you can't monetize the network, you really 226 00:14:12,420 --> 00:14:15,600 have to understand the media landscape. How that's changed. 227 00:14:15,660 --> 00:14:22,440 This is why I don't believe in podcast discovery. This is not 228 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,530 like a YouTube. It's not like, it's not like anything else. 229 00:14:25,530 --> 00:14:30,210 It's it's truly decentralized by nature. So even the idea of a 230 00:14:30,210 --> 00:14:34,770 top 10 list is crazy. Makes no sense. It just doesn't. So award 231 00:14:34,770 --> 00:14:38,160 shows all these things. And then there's a lot of money being 232 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:43,710 because, you know, I would say 90% of pod news is about content 233 00:14:43,710 --> 00:14:48,420 stuff. And to me, it's like everyone's Look, it's the 234 00:14:48,420 --> 00:14:51,330 business is just like record business. Everyone's looking for 235 00:14:51,330 --> 00:14:54,660 a hit, you get one hit and you can finance you know, 10 other 236 00:14:54,660 --> 00:14:57,240 shows and and that's the business and you'll be doing 237 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,880 that for a long time and it's gonna be harder and harder to 238 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:05,760 get Get a hit, because what is a hit? When you have 4 million 239 00:15:05,850 --> 00:15:12,480 advertised podcasts of which 600,000 are real, that's still, 240 00:15:12,570 --> 00:15:17,070 you know, you're just not going to get the type of numbers you 241 00:15:17,070 --> 00:15:21,030 used to get this whole idea the whole notion of how advertising 242 00:15:21,030 --> 00:15:25,710 is done everything is based on the old medium right down to the 243 00:15:25,710 --> 00:15:29,880 CPM, you know, the cost cost per 1000. But that that's, that's 244 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:34,170 not appropriate anymore. And maybe advertising itself is not 245 00:15:34,170 --> 00:15:37,530 going to be appropriate because of the niche audiences which 246 00:15:37,530 --> 00:15:41,730 will keep things sustainable, but even even television is now 247 00:15:41,730 --> 00:15:45,510 moving to apps and it's Yeah, it may be on the Roku but really 248 00:15:45,510 --> 00:15:48,480 it's just online is everyone's gonna be streaming everyone's 249 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,090 going to be a quote unquote podcast that's just what it's 250 00:15:51,090 --> 00:15:55,230 gonna be and I'll compete with no agenda will compete with 251 00:15:55,890 --> 00:16:02,070 Rachel Maddow. Seriously, that that's that's where it's going. 252 00:16:02,100 --> 00:16:03,990 That's where it's going towards is no one can afford the 253 00:16:03,990 --> 00:16:08,010 infrastructure anymore trying to compete for a 200,000 listeners 254 00:16:08,700 --> 00:16:13,080 during a cable news show. Afternoon, no, viewers. 255 00:16:13,350 --> 00:16:14,910 And the reason I was laughing is because there's not really a 256 00:16:14,910 --> 00:16:15,600 competition. 257 00:16:16,890 --> 00:16:20,220 Thank you. And we know, Rachel would trounce me. We all know 258 00:16:20,220 --> 00:16:21,090 that. Sure. 259 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,590 Okay. Well, the other thing he said was what what will be the 260 00:16:25,590 --> 00:16:30,570 first deck? What will be the first stag to offer a Spotify 261 00:16:30,930 --> 00:16:35,610 Sai camp competitor? streaming ad insertion competitor? I 262 00:16:35,610 --> 00:16:39,060 would. I would say if anybody out of that. It may be Amazon. 263 00:16:39,210 --> 00:16:43,470 But that is such a big question mark. Because I don't I think 264 00:16:43,470 --> 00:16:47,370 the whole the whole thing here is nobody knows if any of this 265 00:16:47,370 --> 00:16:51,810 stuff even makes money. Like I'm talking about decent money 266 00:16:51,810 --> 00:16:54,810 enough to make it worth it. As Spotify has spent hundreds of 267 00:16:54,810 --> 00:16:58,020 millions of dollars. Yeah, buying all this gear and buying 268 00:16:58,020 --> 00:17:02,220 all these companies and all this stuff? And nobody knows is this 269 00:17:02,220 --> 00:17:05,550 even going to pay off? So I would have taken a huge risk. 270 00:17:05,579 --> 00:17:11,489 I look at it this way. 85% of all internet advertising goes to 271 00:17:11,489 --> 00:17:16,529 two companies. It goes to Google and it goes to Facebook. Neither 272 00:17:16,529 --> 00:17:21,599 of these have even shown any type of advertising strategy for 273 00:17:21,599 --> 00:17:25,949 podcasts. None. Because they you think they haven't looked at it? 274 00:17:26,369 --> 00:17:29,729 You think that they didn't see you know all the noise and 275 00:17:29,729 --> 00:17:33,479 think, oh, we can go and grab that industry real easy. I'm 276 00:17:33,479 --> 00:17:37,199 pretty sure they looked at it when we can't sell ads on this. 277 00:17:37,799 --> 00:17:40,049 Yeah, for a whole bunch of reasons. One of which is 278 00:17:40,049 --> 00:17:43,169 programmatic you just can't guarantee a brand safe 279 00:17:43,169 --> 00:17:46,019 environment. So you're always going to be limited by brands 280 00:17:46,019 --> 00:17:47,039 that will take a risk. 281 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:51,990 What that tells me Okay, that's a perfect opportunity to talk 282 00:17:51,990 --> 00:17:54,960 about the call her daddy podcast. Yes. 283 00:17:54,990 --> 00:17:57,180 What did she What did she get? $60 million. 284 00:17:57,660 --> 00:18:00,840 A reporter 60 million? Yes. 16 million, which is 14 million 285 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:02,820 less than her male counterpart which is totally 286 00:18:02,820 --> 00:18:05,940 misogynist. Yep, absolutely. Spotify bunch of dicks. 287 00:18:07,079 --> 00:18:12,839 That's right, literally. The spot I tried to I was gonna mock 288 00:18:12,839 --> 00:18:15,839 this podcast, I wanted to get ISOs from it. I wanted to get 289 00:18:15,839 --> 00:18:18,599 clips from it. It's unlistenable. It's it's the 290 00:18:18,599 --> 00:18:21,509 biggest steaming pile of garbage I've ever I've ever tried to 291 00:18:21,509 --> 00:18:25,439 listen to. And you brought a clip I met this is the first 292 00:18:25,469 --> 00:18:30,209 this is the intro. That's how far I got. So I want you to play 293 00:18:30,209 --> 00:18:32,639 as much of this as you can stomach and then I want to make 294 00:18:32,639 --> 00:18:33,239 a point about it. 295 00:18:33,390 --> 00:18:36,630 Hello, Daddy gang. Before we get into this episode, I want to 296 00:18:36,630 --> 00:18:42,720 remind you that on July 21, the only place that you will be able 297 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:50,280 to listen to this podcast call her daddy is on Spotify. 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And let's begin the best year of the data. 315 00:19:57,180 --> 00:20:03,930 Well, this is a weird deja vu for me when we started cod show 316 00:20:04,500 --> 00:20:10,380 later me vo we had a stable of talent and we had we went out we 317 00:20:10,380 --> 00:20:14,700 did contracts with our version of the Rogen and Sophia with an 318 00:20:14,700 --> 00:20:19,410 F A contracts only we set them up with an LLC show them how to 319 00:20:19,650 --> 00:20:25,170 run the business we help them with the books with some tax 320 00:20:25,170 --> 00:20:28,620 advice and to get their own CPAs some did not against our advice 321 00:20:29,430 --> 00:20:32,490 shares in the company I mean we really we really tried to bring 322 00:20:32,490 --> 00:20:36,870 them in and we and I made the same basic decisions we had our 323 00:20:36,870 --> 00:20:41,340 version with match Weinstein the bloated lesbian who was still 324 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:46,050 she match may still listen to the show, I imagine is a bit 325 00:20:46,050 --> 00:20:46,470 coiner 326 00:20:47,460 --> 00:20:49,860 she's no big no agenda listener 327 00:20:50,339 --> 00:20:54,629 I hope so. She was I hope I hope she still is that we don't think 328 00:20:54,629 --> 00:20:58,499 we agree on everything the bloated lesbian and I but I 329 00:20:58,499 --> 00:21:01,379 think I consider that to be a very good acquaintance and had 330 00:21:01,379 --> 00:21:06,209 fun walk working with her we had dawn and drew we had Marcus 331 00:21:06,209 --> 00:21:10,529 couch you know with the metal music and we had we did all this 332 00:21:10,529 --> 00:21:15,989 stuff. Everything was done and and even investors like oh yeah, 333 00:21:15,989 --> 00:21:18,749 they even got this this character this match Weiss 334 00:21:18,749 --> 00:21:23,669 excuse me match Weinstein's real not a character, okay. And it 335 00:21:23,669 --> 00:21:27,599 was it was fun, it was funky, but it really didn't bring 336 00:21:27,599 --> 00:21:31,499 people indoors. So you still have this gradual slow rise over 337 00:21:31,499 --> 00:21:36,869 time. And while that's slow, you notice that you really can't get 338 00:21:36,869 --> 00:21:41,939 the big advertisers because of it turns out investors think the 339 00:21:41,939 --> 00:21:47,429 bloated lesbians, hilarious BMW not so. And so they hear you. 340 00:21:47,429 --> 00:21:49,979 And then at a certain point, we're doing podcast where we're 341 00:21:49,979 --> 00:21:53,939 unboxing stuff. I'm like, Okay, I'm done. So now what now we're 342 00:21:53,939 --> 00:21:58,139 just taking money from a car company or motorcycle company, 343 00:21:58,529 --> 00:22:02,879 and an unboxing. Now, it was a great unboxing the crate popped 344 00:22:02,879 --> 00:22:06,059 open like David Copperfield, the whole thing was cool. But it was 345 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:12,239 it was basically an infomercial. And I just saw, you know, then 346 00:22:12,239 --> 00:22:15,359 you get the infighting. I'm not promoted, why do I not have the 347 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:19,859 ads? Now? It's, it's probably different. But you said we have 348 00:22:19,859 --> 00:22:22,919 now two people who have big salaries, the others are getting 349 00:22:22,919 --> 00:22:26,819 a lot less no doubt that by itself creates animosity within 350 00:22:26,819 --> 00:22:27,509 the ranks. 351 00:22:30,210 --> 00:22:38,190 Okay, so you had Obama's the Obamas that had exclusives? I 352 00:22:38,190 --> 00:22:42,090 know some people are. I know, James said that. They told him 353 00:22:42,090 --> 00:22:44,910 that it was a windowing thing. And it was timed and it was 354 00:22:44,910 --> 00:22:49,020 always going to release. Who knows? Who knows. But those two 355 00:22:49,020 --> 00:22:53,100 things have been spun out. And they're now non exclusives 356 00:22:53,100 --> 00:23:00,960 anymore. The exclusives you have at Spotify are now Rogen, which 357 00:23:01,230 --> 00:23:04,980 I'm just gonna lay this out, literally, it's Rogan, who is a 358 00:23:04,980 --> 00:23:09,780 guy who interviews people, while while he's hammered. You've got 359 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:15,780 just break up, which is basically the the podcast 360 00:23:15,780 --> 00:23:21,960 equivalent of Us Weekly. You have called her daddy, which you 361 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:27,270 just experienced. And that is only I'm serious. I got 20 362 00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:30,150 minutes into it. And I was just like, I can't handle this show 363 00:23:30,150 --> 00:23:33,600 floors. It's the worst basement level tripod 364 00:23:33,599 --> 00:23:37,169 I've ever heard. That's objective. And you know me, it's 365 00:23:37,169 --> 00:23:40,289 like, I don't care. I really don't even quality doesn't 366 00:23:40,289 --> 00:23:43,769 matter to me from me from my from my own stuff it does. But I 367 00:23:43,769 --> 00:23:45,959 think if there's an audience, there's an audience now, is it 368 00:23:45,959 --> 00:23:48,749 worth $60? million? No, of course not. 369 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,840 very unlikely. But the point I'm trying to make though is that 370 00:23:52,260 --> 00:23:56,130 they have that's their stable now. That's their lineup of 371 00:23:56,130 --> 00:23:58,710 their big dog podcast that they've had that they've got. 372 00:23:58,770 --> 00:24:01,410 No, that's their that's their marketing budget. I don't think 373 00:24:01,410 --> 00:24:03,450 they gave they don't give a shit about these people. 374 00:24:03,930 --> 00:24:06,600 Oh, no, no, no, no, that's what I'm saying. They they don't they 375 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,150 don't. But what they're doing is they're building now they're 376 00:24:09,150 --> 00:24:14,310 building their brand on this brand around around this. We 377 00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:17,550 didn't the F word. Exactly. Exactly. They're building 378 00:24:17,550 --> 00:24:21,960 they're building an around a very targeted because in here 379 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,740 and here's the point. That's probably the only thing that can 380 00:24:25,740 --> 00:24:29,490 make this probably the only stable content they can take and 381 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:34,260 maintain in the in the silo. That makes money. 382 00:24:34,710 --> 00:24:37,020 Yes, very good. That's a good point. That's a good point. 383 00:24:37,349 --> 00:24:41,969 Because you get brand brand safety is boring. So you have to 384 00:24:41,969 --> 00:24:47,699 go extreme. You have to have these edgy shows like this. And 385 00:24:47,729 --> 00:24:51,239 in order to maintain their exclusivity, because they're the 386 00:24:51,239 --> 00:24:54,419 only ones whose followers are dedicated enough to follow them 387 00:24:54,419 --> 00:24:57,269 to a new app and you saw it. It's like, Oh, I'm gonna remind 388 00:24:57,269 --> 00:24:59,699 you free, free, free, you know, it's free. It's free. It's free. 389 00:24:59,699 --> 00:25:03,389 She said Like 10 times, and we know from the just break up, 390 00:25:03,779 --> 00:25:07,319 podcast when in when exclusive and they did their little, hey, 391 00:25:07,319 --> 00:25:11,339 we're going to Spotify intros for two months leading up to it. 392 00:25:12,449 --> 00:25:16,019 You know, remember that they had sort of said that, hey, the 393 00:25:16,019 --> 00:25:19,829 Spotify eyes onboarding team told us we need to emphasize 394 00:25:19,829 --> 00:25:22,859 that the app is free. You know, they said that that was part of 395 00:25:22,859 --> 00:25:25,439 the gig that they got to tell your audience is free, it's 396 00:25:25,439 --> 00:25:29,699 free, it's free. So there, they have now, in my mind, they have 397 00:25:29,699 --> 00:25:35,369 now shrunk to the lowest common denominator here. They they're 398 00:25:35,369 --> 00:25:38,639 going to get cheap audiences that will only come if it's 399 00:25:38,639 --> 00:25:43,889 free. And using bargain basement content. 400 00:25:45,030 --> 00:25:48,420 There's an interesting analog I read yesterday about between 401 00:25:48,450 --> 00:25:54,750 podcasting and Bitcoin. And I think it was the the coin desk 402 00:25:54,750 --> 00:25:56,490 update dead Lw everybody. 403 00:25:58,530 --> 00:25:59,250 And he said, 404 00:26:00,450 --> 00:26:05,280 what he what he found to be kind of sad. And he reports on macro 405 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,970 markets, but Bitcoin specifically, this kind of 406 00:26:08,970 --> 00:26:15,990 stuff. He says, Bitcoin is sadly moving from Gonzo, referring to 407 00:26:16,020 --> 00:26:21,150 Max Keiser to Goldman Sachs, referring to, you know, the the 408 00:26:21,150 --> 00:26:25,560 big July, June 21 meeting or whatever with Ilan and jack 409 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:29,280 Dorsey and Kathy woods, and everyone's getting together and 410 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,330 their corporate tising. And so that idea from Gonzo to Goldman 411 00:26:33,330 --> 00:26:37,200 Sachs, and I think it's a trap. And podcasting definitely fell 412 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,370 into it is the nature of Bitcoin will not allow it to be Goldman 413 00:26:41,370 --> 00:26:46,440 Sachs defied I just it can't actually happen with podcasting, 414 00:26:46,620 --> 00:26:51,030 the entire industry, and including most of the people 415 00:26:51,030 --> 00:26:54,810 that that I know, became corporate and comfortable, 416 00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:59,790 comfortably corporate. And, and you know, and with corporate 417 00:26:59,790 --> 00:27:03,060 comes the whole infrastructure. That's why you have meaningless 418 00:27:03,090 --> 00:27:07,350 award shows, and I don't want to demean people celebrating 419 00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:10,050 creative content, but come on, we all know how it works. We 420 00:27:10,050 --> 00:27:14,220 know who's invited, we know who the sponsors are. I mean, it's 421 00:27:14,250 --> 00:27:18,450 the whole thing. Everything is based around everybody trying to 422 00:27:18,450 --> 00:27:21,660 get a buck off of some advertiser, even if you're just 423 00:27:21,660 --> 00:27:26,790 reporting on it. You're taking advertising money from the 424 00:27:26,790 --> 00:27:28,650 people you're reporting on. I mean, that's what the whole 425 00:27:28,650 --> 00:27:33,300 industry is. Whereas to me, podcasting is you got something 426 00:27:33,300 --> 00:27:38,130 to say? You say it, if people start to show up, you start to 427 00:27:38,130 --> 00:27:42,240 nurture that you build your tribe, you start to cross over 428 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,800 other people hear you. I think it's still very valid to go on 429 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,620 each other's podcasts. I think that's one of the strongest, 430 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:56,610 most effective things any, any podcaster can do is if it's if 431 00:27:56,610 --> 00:28:00,390 it's appropriate for for your format. But having another 432 00:28:00,390 --> 00:28:04,740 podcast or on in your genre as a guest or someone as a guest, who 433 00:28:04,740 --> 00:28:08,370 also has a podcast is very powerful. That's like the power 434 00:28:08,370 --> 00:28:10,770 of blog rolling. Now, 435 00:28:10,770 --> 00:28:12,660 Andy, go ahead, 436 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:13,290 please. 437 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaking of Dave Jackson, you're in your interview with him was 438 00:28:17,790 --> 00:28:20,640 fantastic. It was so much fun to do that. 439 00:28:20,670 --> 00:28:24,360 And you know, and I realize, yeah, it all came back was very 440 00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:27,420 comfortable speaking with Dave, because we've we've talked a lot 441 00:28:27,930 --> 00:28:28,770 over the years. 442 00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:30,600 Yeah. And that guy's a good interviewer. 443 00:28:31,140 --> 00:28:34,080 He is and he also knows the questions to ask, he knows what. 444 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:39,030 He knows his audience very well. And I love that he just 445 00:28:39,060 --> 00:28:41,520 implement stuff. It's like, Okay, I'm good. I'm gonna do 446 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,360 this. And he's up and running. Right. everything's working now. 447 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,120 I think I boosted him. I know it works. Yeah. From my end. Yeah. 448 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:48,720 At least. Yeah. 449 00:28:49,140 --> 00:28:53,580 Now he's, he's up and running. Yeah. And they love how he had 450 00:28:53,580 --> 00:28:57,930 never heard his show before. So I love how except when it tested 451 00:28:57,930 --> 00:29:02,250 the other day. But I love how he took what he had you as a guest. 452 00:29:02,250 --> 00:29:06,600 And then he said, here's how, here's live. Listen to me, do 453 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:11,070 this. And here's how here's why I made these decisions. On where 454 00:29:11,070 --> 00:29:15,690 I placed the ad on here's how I was able to sweeten the deal to 455 00:29:15,690 --> 00:29:20,100 make this guest Come on. I was I did some research beforehand. I 456 00:29:20,100 --> 00:29:23,430 know he doesn't like this. I know he does like to like this. 457 00:29:23,580 --> 00:29:26,130 And like, just went through the whole process of how to get a 458 00:29:26,130 --> 00:29:30,360 guest on how to add an interview on it was most top notch, man. 459 00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:32,730 Maybe he does that all the time. And I'm just not, you know, 460 00:29:32,730 --> 00:29:34,650 listener of the show, and I don't know, but that was that 461 00:29:34,650 --> 00:29:40,200 was high quality stuff. And he gave me the ability to get to 462 00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:41,910 very nice ISOs 463 00:29:43,319 --> 00:29:46,079 ISOs Okay, he would be playing these now. So 464 00:29:46,530 --> 00:29:47,760 Nelson to the industry. 465 00:29:48,089 --> 00:29:54,149 Well, and so this is just the way the media landscape is and I 466 00:29:54,149 --> 00:29:57,629 think a lot of people aren't seeing the forest for the trees. 467 00:29:58,469 --> 00:30:02,039 Everything is going down. All the television numbers, your 468 00:30:02,039 --> 00:30:05,039 Hollywood is gone, it's gone. It's now streaming app 469 00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:08,669 companies. And and they're going to have their own challenges. 470 00:30:08,699 --> 00:30:12,689 None of them is profitable peacock in context of NBC, 471 00:30:12,689 --> 00:30:15,959 Comcast, but you know, there's there's a lot that still has to 472 00:30:15,959 --> 00:30:20,159 be built up and understood about how audiences are interacting. 473 00:30:20,489 --> 00:30:24,629 And if I just look at my own podcast, I know that there's 474 00:30:24,629 --> 00:30:27,659 people who listen on a variety of apps. I know there's people 475 00:30:27,659 --> 00:30:30,179 who listen write in a web browser, I mean, there's so it's 476 00:30:30,179 --> 00:30:33,599 all over the place. But it's, it's a community, it's our 477 00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:37,589 community. And it's, it's never going to be I just think the 478 00:30:37,589 --> 00:30:42,959 days of 100 million people listening to one person are gone 479 00:30:42,959 --> 00:30:46,769 forever. That's the internet did that to us. That's that was kind 480 00:30:46,769 --> 00:30:50,639 of the point. But we're still somehow struggling to cobble it 481 00:30:50,639 --> 00:30:53,339 all together and say, Look, we have a billion dollar industry 482 00:30:53,369 --> 00:30:56,849 bullshit. Everyone has little pieces of it. And those little 483 00:30:56,849 --> 00:31:00,959 pieces, I think you're right, will never add up to enough to 484 00:31:01,199 --> 00:31:05,969 make it viable for any large corporation to put a lot of time 485 00:31:05,969 --> 00:31:10,049 and resources into it. I see this with no agenda, social calm 486 00:31:10,049 --> 00:31:16,739 the mastodon server. So we get up to like 20,000 members, and 487 00:31:16,739 --> 00:31:20,459 shit starts to Creek. And it's not the technology. It's the 488 00:31:20,459 --> 00:31:24,239 amount of user support is the amount of hand holding? I don't 489 00:31:24,239 --> 00:31:27,839 think the podcasting companies that are in business today. I 490 00:31:27,839 --> 00:31:31,319 don't think they should really want to be too big. It's no use, 491 00:31:31,349 --> 00:31:35,279 you have to spend, I don't know their business Exactly. But I 492 00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:38,189 can only imagine how much extra costs they've gotten just from 493 00:31:38,189 --> 00:31:41,639 having to take support calls over misunderstanding why Apple 494 00:31:41,639 --> 00:31:46,709 isn't updating, you know, all of this stuff. And so we locked 495 00:31:46,709 --> 00:31:49,949 down our mastodon at 20,000 said, Look, you can federate and 496 00:31:49,949 --> 00:31:53,099 you can still follow us and join in. But we just can't do it. And 497 00:31:53,099 --> 00:31:57,299 it's not about money you can never send in enough to I mean, 498 00:31:57,299 --> 00:32:00,659 do you know how many people report stuff and have problems 499 00:32:00,659 --> 00:32:03,929 logging in and lost their two factor authentication? No, 500 00:32:03,959 --> 00:32:06,269 actually, I don't have to ask you, you know exactly what it 501 00:32:06,269 --> 00:32:09,239 is, with a fraction of that just on podcast index. 502 00:32:10,380 --> 00:32:14,970 That was a that makes me think that the Facebook thing that 503 00:32:14,970 --> 00:32:19,980 might, they might be pretty strategic in what they're doing. 504 00:32:19,980 --> 00:32:23,400 Because it is so tribal in the way they're doing it with that, 505 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,130 you know, I don't like it. I mean, I don't like the whole 506 00:32:26,130 --> 00:32:29,370 idea of centralized social media that I mean, I hate that 507 00:32:29,370 --> 00:32:33,480 concept. But that regardless of my own personal sensibilities 508 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:38,040 about it, it may be a good, a good idea for them to actually 509 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,890 get in that game, because they're already set up with sort 510 00:32:40,890 --> 00:32:43,500 of, what do you call them? silos? siloed? communities, 511 00:32:43,500 --> 00:32:44,220 tribes? What? 512 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,860 groups Facebook groups various Yeah, 513 00:32:46,889 --> 00:32:50,639 and that kind of thing? Maybe it's, it's a good entry point 514 00:32:50,639 --> 00:32:51,389 for them, if that's 515 00:32:51,390 --> 00:32:54,480 how they're building it. And I have, I haven't seen it, I don't 516 00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:59,010 have Facebook anymore. I don't care, either in this context, if 517 00:32:59,010 --> 00:33:02,160 they're doing it in the in a group setting where, you know, 518 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,700 that's kind of your pet tribe is a good, good enough word. They 519 00:33:05,700 --> 00:33:07,860 could they could probably be successful with that. But again, 520 00:33:07,860 --> 00:33:12,270 it's, it's a silo now, what we want. Yeah, just to reiterate, 521 00:33:12,510 --> 00:33:16,320 we want to have comments at the bare minimum comments that work 522 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:21,990 between apps. If we do that, game over, game over, everyone 523 00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:25,650 will go for that. What's the status of the map to the matrix 524 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,780 server idea? Do we ever follow through on that 525 00:33:28,170 --> 00:33:30,450 long then I'm gonna do that hopefully this weekend because 526 00:33:30,449 --> 00:33:33,389 what I've seen is when when you set something up, shit starts to 527 00:33:33,389 --> 00:33:33,809 happen. 528 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:41,160 Yeah, and I felt that too. It's people people need this line, 529 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,250 people need the okay to move ahead and I can understand that 530 00:33:44,250 --> 00:33:48,690 of course, because you need because what, we're all sort of 531 00:33:48,930 --> 00:33:52,140 a hive mind here and we're trying to move together, move 532 00:33:52,140 --> 00:33:55,860 forward together. And so it really needs somebody needs to 533 00:33:55,860 --> 00:33:57,960 say okay, here I'm going to do this it doesn't always have to 534 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,140 be made, you know, other people do stuff but if you if somebody 535 00:34:01,140 --> 00:34:03,180 throws it out there says okay, I'm going to take the ball and 536 00:34:03,180 --> 00:34:07,860 run with this thing. Then everybody sort of squirrel goes 537 00:34:07,860 --> 00:34:11,100 in that direction. And that's a good thing. So I think I need to 538 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,630 fire that up because Roy ever breeze paint him and I was like, 539 00:34:15,630 --> 00:34:19,560 Hey, are you you know, have you done anything with matrix and he 540 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,410 said no, not yet. And I said well, I think I'm gonna go ahead 541 00:34:22,410 --> 00:34:25,380 and fire up a sir Good just good luck with something good good. 542 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:26,880 I'm sure he was on board with that. 543 00:34:27,059 --> 00:34:31,139 Yeah, he said he said rock on let's do it. And and that said 544 00:34:31,139 --> 00:34:37,679 that Well, before I get off that off this play, Facebook podcast 545 00:34:37,709 --> 00:34:40,649 conspiracy, okay. 546 00:34:42,300 --> 00:34:45,660 So listeners will be able to play a send Facebook, virtual 547 00:34:45,660 --> 00:34:48,510 currency. This was interesting. They have a virtual currency 548 00:34:48,510 --> 00:34:54,570 stars. To creators in live audio rooms is kind of Adam talking to 549 00:34:54,570 --> 00:34:57,690 you here. Zuckerberg said his company will not take a cut on 550 00:34:57,690 --> 00:35:01,980 the creator revenue until 2023. So there's some kind of virtual 551 00:35:01,980 --> 00:35:07,260 currency called stars. On podcast 2.0. You said what? 552 00:35:07,500 --> 00:35:14,640 sets? Right? sets? Yeah. This is the same letters B with those 553 00:35:14,670 --> 00:35:18,420 same letters with an R. R stands for ripoff, by the way, just 554 00:35:18,420 --> 00:35:22,140 that point. This is stars. If you kind of twist around the 555 00:35:22,140 --> 00:35:25,380 letters, it's SATs. Same thing that Curry is working on, don't 556 00:35:25,380 --> 00:35:25,950 you think? 557 00:35:26,489 --> 00:35:27,989 What was devore? x answer? 558 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:30,720 He's like, Yeah, Yeah, 559 00:35:30,750 --> 00:35:37,890 Yeah, probably. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Well, it's funny stars has 560 00:35:37,890 --> 00:35:41,400 been around for a while. And that's their little point 561 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:41,940 system. 562 00:35:42,330 --> 00:35:47,640 But so this, this whole idea of collectively moving in a 563 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:53,610 direction? The my biggest gripe this week, is that this was the 564 00:35:53,610 --> 00:35:58,020 week for everybody to pull out their various versions on social 565 00:35:58,020 --> 00:36:03,210 media. Have will, nobody's implemented it yet. So we're not 566 00:36:03,210 --> 00:36:07,320 going to do it. That like that. Oh, yeah. I 567 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,080 saw a couple of these. Yeah, yeah. That's the fetus. That's 568 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:10,560 double 569 00:36:10,830 --> 00:36:15,150 this. Okay. So simple cast, responded evidence, basically 570 00:36:15,150 --> 00:36:19,110 with the exactly the same wording to Stephen B. And to 571 00:36:19,110 --> 00:36:23,550 Dred Scott who both to ping them asking them to support a certain 572 00:36:23,550 --> 00:36:28,890 podcast in 2.0 namespace feature. And they replied with 573 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,710 this, pretty much the exact wording we do not currently 574 00:36:31,710 --> 00:36:35,310 support podcasting 2.0 namespace, mainly because it has 575 00:36:35,310 --> 00:36:39,420 yet to be adopted by any of the major listening apps. Number 576 00:36:39,420 --> 00:36:40,290 one, that's not true. 577 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,220 No, B is completely untrue. overcast is in the group. 578 00:36:45,060 --> 00:36:47,970 Well, overcast is doing implementation now. But podcast 579 00:36:47,970 --> 00:36:51,000 attic, which has almost the same amount of market share is 580 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:56,220 overcast. They he has, Xavier has already implemented about 581 00:36:56,220 --> 00:37:00,960 four of the features. Yeah. And so that that's on the face of it 582 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,190 is not even true. But more you know, more importantly, that's 583 00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:11,700 not how any of this ever gets done. like nobody asks, nobody 584 00:37:11,700 --> 00:37:18,750 waits for, for another person to implement something before they 585 00:37:18,750 --> 00:37:23,550 implement something, or nothing ever gets done. Because that is 586 00:37:23,550 --> 00:37:27,330 circular reasoning. And if everybody waited for everybody 587 00:37:27,330 --> 00:37:30,420 else to do things before they did things didn't, nobody would 588 00:37:30,420 --> 00:37:32,910 do anything. And we don't just sit here and stare at each 589 00:37:32,910 --> 00:37:38,100 other. And so the the idea is the way you know, the way open, 590 00:37:38,580 --> 00:37:44,430 decentralized processes work, which RSS is the granddaddy of, 591 00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:48,780 you know is in is in the in the cloud, the way that these things 592 00:37:48,780 --> 00:37:54,720 move forward, is that somebody has a good idea. They, they 593 00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:59,730 write up the spec and the framework for it. They, they 594 00:37:59,790 --> 00:38:02,550 they do some reference implementations to show how it 595 00:38:02,550 --> 00:38:06,480 works and to show, you know, the benefits of it. And then they 596 00:38:06,540 --> 00:38:10,740 evangelize it. And they convince other people that it's good 597 00:38:10,740 --> 00:38:13,410 enough that they should spend their developer time getting 598 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:14,820 getting on board with it as well. 599 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:19,920 What I mean the irksome part of that answer is first of all, 600 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,720 here's two of your customers. Stephen and who was the other 601 00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:30,480 one? Grab, grab Scott, two of your customers who you're saying 602 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,960 no to Okay, that's that's a business decision. But the thing 603 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:39,540 that irks me is, none of the big apps have implemented it. Okay. 604 00:38:39,780 --> 00:38:43,530 So, and by the way, I respect that and, and I know a lot of 605 00:38:43,530 --> 00:38:47,460 time goes into doing new releases and features, etc. But 606 00:38:47,460 --> 00:38:51,180 that answer shows me that you just just want people to ride 607 00:38:51,180 --> 00:38:55,470 right by you. And that's, that's IBM saying, okay, cute, that 608 00:38:55,470 --> 00:38:59,310 little personal computer. That'll never be anything that 609 00:38:59,310 --> 00:39:00,840 that's what that sounds like, to me. 610 00:39:03,180 --> 00:39:06,870 It's indicative of a bigger issue, where people have 611 00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:11,100 forgotten where the stuff that we have came from. And it's, 612 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:17,250 it's the same you see this in, in art, and jingles and things 613 00:39:17,250 --> 00:39:20,040 like that, which would, you know, is isn't is an art form. 614 00:39:20,490 --> 00:39:23,940 You see this in all these creative works that appear on 615 00:39:23,940 --> 00:39:27,000 the internet, the internet has cheapened things to this to this 616 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:34,380 to the point where I think a lot of people don't consider that 617 00:39:34,380 --> 00:39:38,910 they were actually created by human beings. Like you can 618 00:39:38,910 --> 00:39:43,170 browse the internet for, you know, a couple of hours. And 619 00:39:43,170 --> 00:39:51,210 you're seeing 1000s and 1000s of pieces of art or artwork, that 620 00:39:51,420 --> 00:39:54,180 even even small little snippets of web pages that have been 621 00:39:54,180 --> 00:39:58,080 stitched together to make something look beautiful sounds 622 00:39:58,110 --> 00:40:01,860 video pieces of video. You're seeing All of this content, in 623 00:40:01,860 --> 00:40:05,280 every single bit of that content, every bit of it was 624 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:10,740 created by a human being in some shape or form or fashion. And we 625 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:15,480 have been desensitized to that, to the standpoint, to the point 626 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,350 where we think that this stuff just sort of spontaneously 627 00:40:19,350 --> 00:40:22,740 generates. It just happens, like the internet, like it's 628 00:40:22,740 --> 00:40:27,540 evolution, you know, like, well, it's the internet just creates 629 00:40:27,540 --> 00:40:31,980 this crap for us. But that's not what happens. The way industries 630 00:40:31,980 --> 00:40:37,320 move forward and advance is by people doing things. We do 631 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,920 something over here, then an app does something over there, then 632 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,310 a hosted hosting company does something over there. And we all 633 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,810 connect, we interconnect. Remember, the first law of rules 634 00:40:48,810 --> 00:40:52,440 for standard makers, we is interop is all that matters, we 635 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:56,610 all interrupt together. And advancement takes place in the 636 00:40:56,610 --> 00:41:00,270 industry moves forward one notch. That's how it happens. It 637 00:41:00,270 --> 00:41:04,590 doesn't happen through everybody sitting back and looking at the 638 00:41:04,590 --> 00:41:07,620 tube at two big corporations and saying, Man, I wish they would 639 00:41:07,620 --> 00:41:12,270 do something. Nothing is ever going to happen that way. It's 640 00:41:12,270 --> 00:41:17,160 not in in the hosting companies have that have adopted podcast, 641 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,730 podcasting, the podcast namespace, those hosting 642 00:41:20,730 --> 00:41:25,290 companies are using it today as a selling advantage to get more 643 00:41:25,290 --> 00:41:26,280 customers. Yeah. 644 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:28,680 Yeah, exactly. 645 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,900 Other hosts need to understand that if you if you're waiting, 646 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,240 if you're waiting, is all of a sudden you're gonna wake up and 647 00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:38,400 people are leaving and you're gonna be behind the eight ball. 648 00:41:38,700 --> 00:41:44,160 You're gonna get your ass kicked. Yeah, that's that's just 649 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:51,000 that's that that whole argument is complete. It shows a broader 650 00:41:51,420 --> 00:41:55,110 what you know what it says? It says that, it tells me that the 651 00:41:55,110 --> 00:41:59,640 podcast industry is a group of people that have been 652 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,550 conditioned to think of themselves as observers and not 653 00:42:02,550 --> 00:42:04,470 participants, and some 654 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:10,710 subjective subjective to other forces to them. And they, 655 00:42:11,220 --> 00:42:14,100 they are they are people in the podcasting industry. I'm talking 656 00:42:14,100 --> 00:42:16,560 about the people in the podcast industry, because it's all 657 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,100 native people, the people in the podcast industry, look at 658 00:42:20,100 --> 00:42:24,420 themselves as, as thing as people that things happen to, 659 00:42:24,660 --> 00:42:27,360 instead of people that go and do things themselves. 660 00:42:27,420 --> 00:42:30,870 Wow. That's a very that's, it's and it's interesting in that 661 00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:35,250 context that coming out of France, we got cast upon, you'd 662 00:42:35,250 --> 00:42:37,860 expect the socialist to be the laziest people ever, but to 663 00:42:37,860 --> 00:42:43,920 actually have way ahead of the game, I'd say exactly. Speaking 664 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,710 of any progress, I know you got a lot of your plate, but any 665 00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:48,720 progress on on our install. 666 00:42:49,110 --> 00:42:53,520 Well, I went to important the feed, and it broke. So 667 00:42:54,540 --> 00:42:57,840 everything, it just bombed out. There's something wrong. So 668 00:42:58,020 --> 00:43:00,360 Ben's looking at it. Okay, he's gonna he's gonna let me know. 669 00:43:00,420 --> 00:43:02,040 That's why it's beta. That's cool. 670 00:43:02,910 --> 00:43:03,720 No, it's alpha. 671 00:43:07,110 --> 00:43:15,090 It's beta. But that's why in France, that's alpha. Oh, I 672 00:43:15,090 --> 00:43:19,530 heard something on the thing was pod news that Stacy from NPR is 673 00:43:19,530 --> 00:43:20,430 going to anchor? 674 00:43:21,420 --> 00:43:24,120 Yes. you'd actually told me that in an email a couple of weeks 675 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:24,540 ago. Well, 676 00:43:24,540 --> 00:43:26,430 thanks for the Thanks for letting me know. 677 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,420 Well, I was I didn't know if I supposed to say anything. So 678 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:35,550 okay, she cuz I emailed her about something. And she said, 679 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,030 Well, you know, I'm not gonna, I'm actually leaving. But she's 680 00:43:39,030 --> 00:43:41,490 going to a cast, which is good. That's good for a cast. 681 00:43:41,820 --> 00:43:44,730 What doesn't that mean that she can nudge them about a couple of 682 00:43:44,730 --> 00:43:45,270 things? 683 00:43:45,630 --> 00:43:49,290 Yeah, hope so. That would be great. Because a cast has given 684 00:43:49,290 --> 00:43:52,980 us the cold shoulder to so they need to stay at stake. We got 685 00:43:52,980 --> 00:43:55,800 it. We got the we got somebody on the inside. Yeah, 686 00:43:55,860 --> 00:43:59,310 yeah. We got a shill this year. Yeah, we got a show on the 687 00:43:59,310 --> 00:44:04,710 inside. Okay. No, no. No, I have a question. for about a week 688 00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:08,550 now. I've been trying to understand what's going on. 689 00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:12,450 Could you please explain to me what the heck are Brian of 690 00:44:12,450 --> 00:44:17,040 London and Alex gates. What are they doing? And why are they 691 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,940 vomiting it on my feed all day long? What is happening? What is 692 00:44:20,940 --> 00:44:25,020 the and it looks like? I mean just is it looks like something 693 00:44:25,020 --> 00:44:30,210 with pod Ping. It looks like something that is part of the 694 00:44:30,210 --> 00:44:35,370 structure of hive. And Brian is championing everything in fixing 695 00:44:35,370 --> 00:44:39,270 stuff on the fly with baling wire and chewing gum. And then 696 00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:42,210 Alex gates looks at it and says Dude, that's baling wire and 697 00:44:42,210 --> 00:44:45,330 chewing gum. Let me add some paper clips. And then they wrap 698 00:44:45,330 --> 00:44:48,000 it up with some gaffer tape and then they argue about it. What's 699 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:48,690 going on. 700 00:44:50,699 --> 00:44:53,189 That's why do you need me to explain it? 701 00:44:54,690 --> 00:44:57,780 Well, and then all sudden, like we need a server like Hold on a 702 00:44:57,780 --> 00:44:58,710 sec. What's going on? 703 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,170 $250 months. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, no, no, it's 704 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:09,240 it's, he pretty much summed it up. So what what happened last 705 00:45:09,240 --> 00:45:13,080 week, or last weekend, I think I think it was maybe Saturday of 706 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:20,520 last weekend. pod paying broke. And so what happened was, I said 707 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,780 piping consists of two main parts on the, on the central OS 708 00:45:24,780 --> 00:45:30,390 part of it. There's a web front end that accepts HTTP requests. 709 00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:36,720 And then there's the hive writer, which takes the URLs 710 00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:40,650 that come in and writes them onto the hive blockchain. 711 00:45:40,679 --> 00:45:41,489 Okay, got it. 712 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,200 And so there's the two pieces are interconnected through a 713 00:45:46,740 --> 00:45:52,500 through a socket. So the it's called a z mq or 00 q socket 714 00:45:52,500 --> 00:45:56,370 zero mq socket. I think it stands for zero managed key or 715 00:45:56,370 --> 00:46:00,840 something. So it's a special type of socket, where so 716 00:46:01,410 --> 00:46:07,350 blueberry would send a URL notification to pod pain, 717 00:46:07,950 --> 00:46:13,140 piping, gets it can talk sends it over the socket to the hive 718 00:46:13,140 --> 00:46:18,870 writer. What was and typically what happens is, if the hive 719 00:46:18,870 --> 00:46:27,300 writer is alive and responding, then the front end will take the 720 00:46:27,300 --> 00:46:30,960 URL and discard it from the queue. So it just forgets it. 721 00:46:31,020 --> 00:46:33,750 It's like, okay, I handed it off to the hive writer. I've read 722 00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:37,980 her it's your nag is your baby. Now your responsibility under so 723 00:46:37,980 --> 00:46:42,090 it takes it out of the queue. What was happening last 724 00:46:42,090 --> 00:46:45,750 Saturday, was that the hive writer started throwing some 725 00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:51,600 weird error. And it was like the user that you're posting with 726 00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,360 does not have posting authority. 727 00:46:55,500 --> 00:46:58,680 High Power high wages. 728 00:47:03,090 --> 00:47:08,580 you've exhausted your hive. And you're now have you're now up 729 00:47:08,580 --> 00:47:12,150 the creek like you. You can't do you can't post Okay, you can't 730 00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:16,320 post Yeah. And so, and I had been doing this for like six 731 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:21,180 hours. Oops. And normally, what you would expect with would be 732 00:47:21,180 --> 00:47:24,000 that the front end would be saying okay, well, nothing, you 733 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,640 know, it's not working. So I'm hanging on to these. I'm gonna 734 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:27,210 keep trying. 735 00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,159 Oh, it was going poof, poof, poof, poof, poof, 736 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,300 gone away? Oh, yes. It was smoking every one of them. And 737 00:47:33,450 --> 00:47:38,010 the so because the hive writer only hands back. Okay. It 738 00:47:38,010 --> 00:47:41,250 doesn't actually hand back an error message. So this has been 739 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:45,870 the discussion since then is should a few things should 740 00:47:45,930 --> 00:47:49,770 number one, why did it happen to be in the first place? That's 741 00:47:49,770 --> 00:47:53,880 what Brian has been on. Ron was very concerned about this thing. 742 00:47:54,540 --> 00:48:00,720 And sure, and rightly so. And so he is, he's been on a mission to 743 00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:05,610 try to figure out talking to developers, why it happened. And 744 00:48:05,610 --> 00:48:09,450 then how to finish re engineering the hive writer so 745 00:48:09,450 --> 00:48:14,610 that it is resilient to this thing. There's a couple of ways 746 00:48:14,610 --> 00:48:18,270 you could think that this would go. You could say well, the hive 747 00:48:18,270 --> 00:48:22,080 writer if he if it fails to write a URL to the blockchain 748 00:48:22,110 --> 00:48:26,010 cache, it shouldn't, he should respond until the front end, 749 00:48:26,010 --> 00:48:33,420 right? Err, I don't I personally don't like that. To me, each 750 00:48:33,420 --> 00:48:37,170 piece of the puzzle needs to be completely independent in 751 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,630 eponymous where it can handle its own failures. 752 00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:44,580 Right so so it should it should maybe report back something but 753 00:48:44,580 --> 00:48:48,330 I got it I've saved it as soon as I get my oats back my old 754 00:48:48,330 --> 00:48:53,460 power wheelies then I can then I'll post it. 755 00:48:54,179 --> 00:48:58,979 Right so you haven't you you have to think what do I want? 756 00:48:59,279 --> 00:49:04,709 When the front end and off a URL to the hive writer right? What 757 00:49:04,709 --> 00:49:08,879 do you want the response to mean? Does it when you sit when 758 00:49:08,879 --> 00:49:12,329 there if the response is okay, does that mean okay I got it or 759 00:49:12,329 --> 00:49:15,929 does that mean okay i did with it what I what I wanted to do 760 00:49:15,929 --> 00:49:16,259 with it 761 00:49:16,290 --> 00:49:20,460 not everyone knows what the note it should always be abort retry 762 00:49:20,460 --> 00:49:21,030 fail, 763 00:49:21,780 --> 00:49:28,440 enhance zoom read it and it just it should just respond back. No, 764 00:49:28,500 --> 00:49:32,370 no more oatmilk or whatever. So it is like what do you want it 765 00:49:32,370 --> 00:49:38,880 to do? Do you want that and air that message to indicate fail I 766 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:44,100 failed to do my part or failed or you or something went wrong 767 00:49:44,100 --> 00:49:48,300 with trying to do your part right? And I think personally my 768 00:49:48,330 --> 00:49:53,490 my feeling is each that that okay or error, error message in 769 00:49:53,490 --> 00:49:58,830 the handle to just mean Okay, I got it. I got what you sent sent 770 00:49:58,830 --> 00:50:02,610 me because that's All the front end is responsible for anyway, 771 00:50:02,610 --> 00:50:05,430 is I just gonna have to get this information to you now what you 772 00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:08,700 do with it and ultimately what happens to it after that I don't 773 00:50:08,700 --> 00:50:12,840 want to be responsible for. So that's what, that's what Ron's 774 00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,600 trying to figure out that and 775 00:50:16,859 --> 00:50:21,689 so do we know. And that may actually belong on a GitHub that 776 00:50:21,689 --> 00:50:24,479 drawn out technical conversation. I'm just, I mean, 777 00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:28,559 I almost like, I really want to just mute but I don't. I'm 778 00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:32,099 missing other stuff. You know, it's just too much like all, I 779 00:50:32,099 --> 00:50:34,799 don't want to complain, because I thought about it. You know, 780 00:50:34,829 --> 00:50:37,109 it's what it is, it's organic, we'll just see, we'll see what 781 00:50:37,109 --> 00:50:42,299 happens. But do we know the actual cause of the failure? Do 782 00:50:42,299 --> 00:50:44,039 we know what the issue was? 783 00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:54,030 When Brian says that he knows what it was. But I'm not sure 784 00:50:54,030 --> 00:50:58,170 that me or Alice understand what he does, he hasn't translated it 785 00:50:58,170 --> 00:51:01,470 into non hive. So we don't understand exactly what that 786 00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:06,810 what that means. Okay. And, and he's, he's being responsible, in 787 00:51:06,810 --> 00:51:09,090 the end, trying to figure out, Okay, how to, I just want to 788 00:51:09,090 --> 00:51:13,650 make sure this thing never happens again. Sure. And my 789 00:51:13,650 --> 00:51:20,160 recommendation was, okay, if the failures happen on the, on the 790 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:25,410 posting side, that's fine. The way, the way that you need to 791 00:51:25,410 --> 00:51:32,010 combat that is, is through persistence. So when, when so 792 00:51:32,010 --> 00:51:34,410 and the way this was all developed was I wrote the front 793 00:51:34,410 --> 00:51:38,910 end, and Brian wrote the back end, and then Alex gave him a 794 00:51:38,910 --> 00:51:42,630 lot of help to help him structure is Python, and he's 795 00:51:42,630 --> 00:51:45,990 gotten the rising and stuff. So Alice is playing a real 796 00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:48,360 consultant role, which is what he's fantastic. That's 797 00:51:48,359 --> 00:51:52,439 fantastic to watch. He's also that he's like the Soup Nazi of 798 00:51:52,439 --> 00:51:53,279 consultants. 799 00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,950 No code for you. You can tell he's been a consultant for 800 00:52:00,060 --> 00:52:02,520 something to say, This is stupid stuff. 801 00:52:04,830 --> 00:52:08,040 That part I kind of enjoy. I kind of enjoyed the back and 802 00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:13,170 forth. It's quite a drama that's unfolding. So just just to wind 803 00:52:13,170 --> 00:52:16,410 this, and by the way, I love that the doing this, obviously, 804 00:52:16,410 --> 00:52:21,840 is very important. What, anyone who hasn't seen it yet go to pod 805 00:52:21,900 --> 00:52:25,710 pod ping dot watch. And just see, everything comes through 806 00:52:25,770 --> 00:52:29,760 podcasts updating in real time. And know that that's powered by 807 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:36,060 oats. What was the server for? Why did we need another server? 808 00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,660 That's like the Belgian screwdriver, like, just hammer 809 00:52:39,660 --> 00:52:41,400 it? Was it throw more iron at it? 810 00:52:43,350 --> 00:52:46,530 That's that's, well, that's the idea that will you know, when 811 00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:51,150 one day we may need or our own API, how they Oh, okay. We 812 00:52:51,150 --> 00:52:52,320 should be a participant in this. 813 00:52:52,469 --> 00:52:55,739 Oh, I see. I see. Okay. Yeah, it's probably it's probably a 814 00:52:55,739 --> 00:52:59,699 good idea. Yes. Right. But are you telling me that I'm running 815 00:53:00,089 --> 00:53:04,139 a part of the world's reserve currency Bitcoin on a Raspberry 816 00:53:04,139 --> 00:53:06,989 Pi, but hive needs $150 a 817 00:53:06,990 --> 00:53:11,040 month server? Oh, four terabytes of disk space is what it was, 818 00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:15,030 again, like, four cores or some crap like that? Yeah, no, 819 00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:17,610 really? Oh, it gets a bit deep. So 820 00:53:17,609 --> 00:53:20,369 do you actually, are you mining high while you're participating 821 00:53:20,369 --> 00:53:21,389 in the network? Or? 822 00:53:22,020 --> 00:53:25,710 I don't know. You may you may be contributing to global warming. 823 00:53:25,740 --> 00:53:30,000 Yes. Maybe contributing to, to El Salvador's volcanic activity 824 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:30,570 with this thing. 825 00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:34,529 Holy crap. That's great. All right. Cool. Well, thank you. So 826 00:53:34,529 --> 00:53:37,859 I kind of knew what was going on. So but everything's working, 827 00:53:37,859 --> 00:53:41,099 we're just trying to mitigate that and fortify and make it 828 00:53:41,099 --> 00:53:44,309 better and make it bulletproof. And, and understand where we may 829 00:53:44,309 --> 00:53:45,059 go in the future. 830 00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:50,400 So Brian said that, I think what he said, If I can understand 831 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:57,570 bronze speak, is that one of the the API server that he was using 832 00:53:58,050 --> 00:54:03,180 for posting freaked out in some way. And his algorithm for 833 00:54:03,180 --> 00:54:07,950 choosing a backup for failing over was not was not good. So it 834 00:54:07,950 --> 00:54:13,230 just stuck. And so I think, I think it's an easy fix. So okay, 835 00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:19,800 famous last word. Okay. And it's always dangerous to interpret 836 00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,040 brawn of London and try to communicate him his intent to 837 00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,560 other people. So I'm that's got to be a caveat here 838 00:54:26,670 --> 00:54:31,470 is a beautiful guy. I love the enthusiasm. And he reminds me a 839 00:54:31,470 --> 00:54:34,140 lot of young Adam before I gave up and said, I really can't 840 00:54:34,140 --> 00:54:37,530 code. I really have no business to do this. 841 00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,910 He can code he's he's been out of the game for so long. He's 842 00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:43,950 having to catch up. Yeah, sure. 843 00:54:44,250 --> 00:54:49,440 Now speaking of such it is my understanding that we discovered 844 00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,510 the source of the 502 errors. 845 00:54:53,250 --> 00:54:54,270 Oh, you Tom that Eric. 846 00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:59,129 Well, was it was it a 502 error that was showing up on our on 847 00:54:59,129 --> 00:55:02,309 our on our AP And that was something that was happening in 848 00:55:02,309 --> 00:55:04,439 the background that Aaron's working on? 849 00:55:04,739 --> 00:55:06,149 Well, no. Okay, so you're 850 00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,330 conflating two things to five oh, twos. 851 00:55:10,860 --> 00:55:16,650 There's the, there's the 502 we're off off in the weeds here. 852 00:55:16,770 --> 00:55:19,560 Um, I feel like we're gonna have to play a clip here something to 853 00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:25,020 break this crap up. But 502 on Eric's side for the image 854 00:55:25,020 --> 00:55:29,010 server. And so he said that he found that issue and it was 855 00:55:29,010 --> 00:55:30,840 something with the way he was handling. 856 00:55:31,319 --> 00:55:34,169 He's not typically like a 502 would be returned from 857 00:55:34,169 --> 00:55:36,659 CloudFlare is not where you get the 502. From? 858 00:55:36,929 --> 00:55:40,079 Will any any HTTP server gonna return a public service 859 00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:40,979 unavailable? For some? 860 00:55:41,039 --> 00:55:43,559 I thought was it service or gateway? I always thought it was 861 00:55:43,559 --> 00:55:44,519 gateway could be 862 00:55:44,819 --> 00:55:47,009 gateway, some, something like that. It's probably there's 863 00:55:47,009 --> 00:55:49,529 probably a reverse proxy on dreamhost. side, so it's 864 00:55:49,529 --> 00:55:52,469 probably just okay. It's, it's miscommunicating. They're back 865 00:55:52,469 --> 00:55:55,649 to you. Yeah. So the origin servers failing for some reason, 866 00:55:55,649 --> 00:56:00,119 and it comes through as a follow to date. On our side. I think I 867 00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:05,819 figured out what our issue was. And this is a this is something 868 00:56:05,819 --> 00:56:14,099 we can talk about, which is the tracking URL now. So we, we've 869 00:56:14,099 --> 00:56:18,449 had various people like Mitch and john Spurlock and others, 870 00:56:18,959 --> 00:56:23,579 from time to time want to track what's going on in our database. 871 00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:28,439 So they just want to sit back as a third party and and just use 872 00:56:28,439 --> 00:56:31,709 us as essentially the aggregator. And they just want 873 00:56:31,709 --> 00:56:35,009 to say, Okay, let me know when something changes. And I'll just 874 00:56:35,009 --> 00:56:37,049 follow along right with you. This 875 00:56:37,050 --> 00:56:38,460 is the new items feed. 876 00:56:38,969 --> 00:56:42,059 Yeah, yeah. Like, and so there's a whole batch of, of different 877 00:56:42,059 --> 00:56:44,099 endpoints accomplished this. 878 00:56:45,090 --> 00:56:46,410 can already guess what happened? 879 00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:48,750 Oh, I would like to hear your get 880 00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,440 someone like me built an app that checks every 15 seconds. 881 00:56:54,929 --> 00:57:01,139 That's a great guess. But no. The so there's a there's a few 882 00:57:01,139 --> 00:57:04,199 of these endpoints. There's a reason. And these are great. 883 00:57:04,319 --> 00:57:07,049 You're gonna love this. There's a recent feeds endpoint. And 884 00:57:07,049 --> 00:57:12,389 there's a feeds recent endpoint. Recent podcast recent, okay. Oh, 885 00:57:12,389 --> 00:57:14,489 yeah. Yeah, actually, essentially, there's a recent 886 00:57:14,489 --> 00:57:18,959 podcast and a podcast recently, though, and that's dumb. But 887 00:57:18,959 --> 00:57:22,229 anyway, it just like side effect of how this thing evolved over 888 00:57:22,229 --> 00:57:31,259 time. And the reason feeds in point, it tells you every time a 889 00:57:31,259 --> 00:57:34,559 feed updates, the recent episodes in point as you to 890 00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:46,529 every every new episode, these were, these are okay, but there 891 00:57:46,529 --> 00:57:49,319 was somebody else, another person that I've been talking to 892 00:57:49,649 --> 00:57:54,029 over email that needed sort of all that into one thing in one 893 00:57:54,029 --> 00:57:58,889 block of data. They wanted feeds in episodes all in one blob. 894 00:57:59,519 --> 00:58:03,329 Okay, so I started working on a on a, on a new endpoint, or 895 00:58:03,329 --> 00:58:09,029 recent in his recent slash data. If you call the recent data 896 00:58:09,029 --> 00:58:13,259 endpoint, you get that blob back, and it's got feeds and 897 00:58:13,259 --> 00:58:20,219 episodes all in one batch. It's a heavy database call. So 898 00:58:21,419 --> 00:58:23,849 because it keys on the items table, which is very where the 899 00:58:23,849 --> 00:58:29,129 episodes are stored. It's a heavy call. And so it's hard to 900 00:58:29,519 --> 00:58:32,699 get, it's hard to do a lot of filtering and that kind of stuff 901 00:58:32,699 --> 00:58:35,789 on it. So it's really just a raw call, you just call reason data, 902 00:58:35,939 --> 00:58:42,569 you get the full fire hose. And I created the endpoint, and 903 00:58:42,569 --> 00:58:45,899 rolled it out to Mitch and john. And they were testing it. And it 904 00:58:45,899 --> 00:58:53,489 was giving father to errors about once. Once every so often 905 00:58:53,519 --> 00:58:56,339 interval, I don't even know how often it means like once every 906 00:58:56,699 --> 00:59:02,459 30 minutes to an hour, maybe it was very random. And I could not 907 00:59:02,459 --> 00:59:06,179 find any logging that supported what it was showing me what was 908 00:59:06,179 --> 00:59:11,789 happening initially. So I think I thought I found finally 909 00:59:11,789 --> 00:59:17,219 figured out by looking at CloudFlare. The way we have our 910 00:59:17,429 --> 00:59:21,869 in our two front end API server set up is there's an API one and 911 00:59:21,869 --> 00:59:27,989 API two, and their DNS Round Robin. And when that when you do 912 00:59:27,989 --> 00:59:32,609 that, when you do a DNS Round Robin, the requests tend to be 913 00:59:32,609 --> 00:59:37,229 sticky. That means that there's there will grow up over time and 914 00:59:37,229 --> 00:59:42,299 affinity to choose one over the other for certain combinations 915 00:59:42,359 --> 00:59:47,369 of calling, or of certain combinations of origin of 916 00:59:47,369 --> 00:59:52,799 request and the endpoint that they're calling. So if I start 917 00:59:52,799 --> 00:59:59,999 calling an API that has set up in this way, most load balancing 918 00:59:59,999 --> 01:00:05,699 gateways that are most DNS, that was not a gateway, most DNS will 919 01:00:05,699 --> 01:00:11,279 tend to resolve to the same host based on the same sort of 920 01:00:11,279 --> 01:00:13,169 criteria, despite there being a rent 921 01:00:13,170 --> 01:00:14,610 a random generator in there. 922 01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:19,770 And there's not really random DNS is is more sticky than that. 923 01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:20,160 Okay? 924 01:00:21,030 --> 01:00:23,310 Well, of course, because of caching and all that 925 01:00:23,910 --> 01:00:28,110 AGT, if you know how DNS works, client side is very similar to 926 01:00:28,110 --> 01:00:34,260 that. So like, if you, you set a Primary and Secondary DNS server 927 01:00:34,290 --> 01:00:40,440 on your, on your machine, a lot of people think that it will use 928 01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:41,250 the primary and 929 01:00:42,089 --> 01:00:45,269 it will your priority, if you do 1010, it'll, it'll choose one or 930 01:00:45,269 --> 01:00:46,259 the other, I think, right? 931 01:00:46,649 --> 01:00:50,279 Well, it, it will, it will use the primary until that one 932 01:00:50,279 --> 01:00:54,359 fails, then it'll flip over to the secondary, but it won't flip 933 01:00:54,359 --> 01:00:59,069 back. Okay. Like if the if the primary comes back online, it's 934 01:00:59,069 --> 01:01:03,179 not going to switch back to the primary. So DNS tends to be 935 01:01:03,179 --> 01:01:06,119 sticky, it sticks with the less successful thing, and it never 936 01:01:06,119 --> 01:01:07,259 really wants to give it up. 937 01:01:08,219 --> 01:01:10,529 So it was overloading one of the two servers. 938 01:01:10,890 --> 01:01:16,020 It wasn't know what was happening was the the one of the 939 01:01:16,020 --> 01:01:20,520 servers had a bad copy of the code. 940 01:01:21,270 --> 01:01:23,490 Oh, man, obscure, 941 01:01:23,730 --> 01:01:27,840 yet, I had evidently not, there had been a, I don't know what 942 01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:31,500 happened, but one of them had a copy of the code with a typo in 943 01:01:31,500 --> 01:01:37,410 it. And the is because I always upload to both at the same time, 944 01:01:37,590 --> 01:01:42,270 one of them had had a bad copy of code. And so most of those 945 01:01:42,270 --> 01:01:45,690 recent data endpoint calls were all getting served by by one of 946 01:01:45,690 --> 01:01:49,650 the front ends, but every now and then it would hit the other 947 01:01:49,650 --> 01:01:52,050 one. And it would fail on that. And it would fail two or three 948 01:01:52,050 --> 01:01:54,060 times in a row and then flip back to the other one. And you'd 949 01:01:54,060 --> 01:01:55,410 never you wouldn't see the problem again. 950 01:01:56,550 --> 01:02:00,120 Okay, so if it fails a couple times, then eventually, the DNS 951 01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:01,050 does flip back. 952 01:02:02,670 --> 01:02:05,190 I'm not sure what their algorithm is. I don't know. I 953 01:02:05,190 --> 01:02:10,410 don't know what they Wow. Okay. All right. Yeah, it took four 954 01:02:10,410 --> 01:02:10,950 hours now. 955 01:02:12,510 --> 01:02:15,210 Yeah, I want to, I just want to I don't know how much you've 956 01:02:15,210 --> 01:02:18,990 seen. But I want everyone to know that Eric is building the 957 01:02:18,990 --> 01:02:22,800 whole onramp jeans mom experience now in the urban 958 01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:31,680 dictionary, I'll have you know. Nice. And, well, once once I'm 959 01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:35,910 moved, you know, give me a week turn around. You know, then I 960 01:02:35,910 --> 01:02:39,090 think Tina and I are going to start writing words for the 961 01:02:39,090 --> 01:02:42,150 framework that he's built. Yeah, I'm very excited. And you can 962 01:02:42,150 --> 01:02:43,890 tell the people like, Hey, we should we need something that 963 01:02:43,890 --> 01:02:45,690 would make some new landing page. 964 01:02:46,290 --> 01:02:49,770 I know. That's such an it's, it's necessary. Yeah, 965 01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:53,370 we're getting there. We're getting there. That 966 01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:57,870 Eric? is the one that said, Oh, no, I'm sorry. It was Alice 967 01:02:57,870 --> 01:03:02,580 gates sent in the screenshot that only fans has a lightning 968 01:03:02,580 --> 01:03:08,430 node man. Like man, open a channel that thing quick. We get 969 01:03:08,460 --> 01:03:10,920 we get it we can try to charge super high routing fees. 970 01:03:10,980 --> 01:03:15,060 I'm gonna I'm gonna make a couple of well prediction based 971 01:03:15,060 --> 01:03:19,440 on some thoughts. And you might have read this morning. Tanzania 972 01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:23,460 is now also considering adopting Bitcoin as a national currency. 973 01:03:23,940 --> 01:03:27,690 And Paraguay, aren't they in Paraguay, Paraguay, also on the 974 01:03:27,690 --> 01:03:33,840 list. And I'm pretty sure that they will at least be an 975 01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:35,970 announcement who knows how long it will take before 976 01:03:35,970 --> 01:03:40,620 implementation? I think that lightning connected through cash 977 01:03:40,620 --> 01:03:44,310 app. So real Satoshi stuff. I think that'll be hooked up to 978 01:03:44,310 --> 01:03:46,560 Twitter. I'm pretty I'm pretty sure that's coming in 979 01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:50,940 announcement at least is coming. And when that happens. Oh, my 980 01:03:50,940 --> 01:03:52,710 God. It's gonna be so dynamite. 981 01:03:53,219 --> 01:03:54,599 Oh, yeah. That'd be cool. 982 01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,780 Everybody will under you know, it's just the education. Yeah, 983 01:03:57,780 --> 01:04:01,620 this is what I realize. I'm so impatient. But I think was it 984 01:04:01,620 --> 01:04:04,620 was talking to Dave Jackson, and it was Michael malice and wanted 985 01:04:04,620 --> 01:04:05,430 his show to 986 01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:07,470 and that has been posted yet. 987 01:04:07,740 --> 01:04:10,500 Yeah, yeah, it's posted. Okay, go back. Listen. Yeah, he's a 988 01:04:10,500 --> 01:04:14,340 good guy. It was not so much podcasting. 2.0 and then I kind 989 01:04:14,340 --> 01:04:18,780 of just went with his flow. Yeah. But obviously, I'd bring 990 01:04:18,780 --> 01:04:21,930 it back Tom Woods I did at Tom Woods show. diner 991 01:04:21,929 --> 01:04:25,139 that either Gala. slacker. Yeah. And Tom 992 01:04:25,140 --> 01:04:28,200 Woods is great, because hey, can I ask your your audience 993 01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:31,410 something Tom? He's like, sure. Would you please get a new 994 01:04:31,410 --> 01:04:40,410 podcast app new podcast? app.com. Nice. Yeah, so this is 995 01:04:40,410 --> 01:04:45,120 so the adoption is it's it seems to be happening. And I love 996 01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:50,100 hearing you know, pod land or pod news. And now I'm hearing 997 01:04:50,100 --> 01:04:53,310 James Cridland talk very casually about podcasting. 2.0 998 01:04:53,310 --> 01:04:55,830 features as if you know, it's like it's the most normal thing 999 01:04:55,830 --> 01:05:00,480 in the world. He's, you know, I don't hear the disdain Any more 1000 01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:06,270 for for Bitcoin or feigned disinterest, he seemed very 1001 01:05:06,270 --> 01:05:06,870 interested. 1002 01:05:08,189 --> 01:05:10,589 They invented feigned disinterest, 1003 01:05:11,039 --> 01:05:13,379 yeah, that is kind of that is kind of the Brits, isn't it? 1004 01:05:13,619 --> 01:05:15,419 Yeah, yeah, you're right. Yeah. 1005 01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:18,180 Anyway, well, 1006 01:05:18,660 --> 01:05:20,910 hopefully he's boosting us when we talk about him. 1007 01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:25,380 Drain drain the bowl this morning. Here's your cue to 1008 01:05:25,410 --> 01:05:28,080 boost. You know, you want to 1009 01:05:28,679 --> 01:05:31,949 boost. Did you? Did you just say you drain the bowl? 1010 01:05:32,130 --> 01:05:38,250 Yeah. By the way, the only fans lightning node is just called 1011 01:05:38,250 --> 01:05:41,820 only fans. They missed the perfect opportunity to call it 1012 01:05:41,820 --> 01:05:42,660 the spank bank. 1013 01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:45,300 Tell me I'm wrong. 1014 01:05:45,900 --> 01:05:51,150 Yeah. Listen, those guys, their branding. So I wonder, I wonder 1015 01:05:51,150 --> 01:05:56,220 if if they'll integrate that? No, this. It had some money on 1016 01:05:56,220 --> 01:05:58,260 it. It had to it had liquidity. 1017 01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:03,060 I know. It was a lot. It was a little, I don't knows. Seemed 1018 01:06:03,060 --> 01:06:07,200 like kind of low. You know, it'll make as much money as I 1019 01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:07,530 thought. 1020 01:06:07,679 --> 01:06:11,729 But we now have, I think marnix or Satoshi stream posted this 1021 01:06:11,729 --> 01:06:16,679 morning. We have 250 podcasts Now, using the value block. cast 1022 01:06:16,679 --> 01:06:20,009 a lot, man. That's That's pretty good. You know, I think we have 1023 01:06:20,009 --> 01:06:21,749 most of the Bitcoin podcast covered. 1024 01:06:22,530 --> 01:06:26,400 I'm so glad that breeze put in the new value podcast tab. Yeah, 1025 01:06:26,430 --> 01:06:29,580 cuz that's really helpful because a lot of the ones that 1026 01:06:29,580 --> 01:06:33,870 are coming on board now a really high quality. I found myself 1027 01:06:33,870 --> 01:06:34,980 finding new stuff there. 1028 01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,440 Oh, every day, every day. I look at the new tab. 1029 01:06:37,860 --> 01:06:38,640 Me too. 1030 01:06:38,969 --> 01:06:44,639 Every day. It's fantastic. And it gets to the point where I 1031 01:06:44,699 --> 01:06:48,179 discussed I hate listened to Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway 1032 01:06:48,179 --> 01:06:52,259 pivot. That's my hate podcast. You hate you hate clip. Be Oh, 1033 01:06:52,259 --> 01:06:57,209 yeah. But it's important that, in fact, contrary to what many 1034 01:06:57,209 --> 01:07:00,119 people think I watched, I actually watch a lot of msnbc 1035 01:07:00,119 --> 01:07:02,429 during the day, or just want to see what they're saying. I want 1036 01:07:02,429 --> 01:07:06,599 to understand. There's a point now where I almost don't want to 1037 01:07:06,599 --> 01:07:09,629 listen to that podcast because I know I can't I can't boost it. I 1038 01:07:09,629 --> 01:07:13,619 can't really stream anything to it. I am lacking interaction. 1039 01:07:14,009 --> 01:07:18,479 And I've been it's boring. It's really interesting how the whole 1040 01:07:18,479 --> 01:07:22,649 idea of five two podcasts I want to like boom, five 500 stats 1041 01:07:22,649 --> 01:07:25,919 just before you've even the intro xover Alright, let's go. 1042 01:07:26,279 --> 01:07:26,729 And then 1043 01:07:27,150 --> 01:07:30,630 I've got my new twin my 2112 rush boost. That's my that's my 1044 01:07:30,630 --> 01:07:30,930 new 1045 01:07:31,020 --> 01:07:32,700 2112 rush. Boost. 1046 01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:35,370 Yeah, yeah. 2012 the album you know, rush. 1047 01:07:35,699 --> 01:07:40,589 I'm sorry, Dave. I'm not a rush guy. You're not Oh, never was 1048 01:07:40,709 --> 01:07:41,249 sorry. 1049 01:07:41,670 --> 01:07:44,970 Did you know 2112? No, I mean, that's like an epic album. No. 1050 01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:47,430 One of the greatest prog rock albums ever. 1051 01:07:47,429 --> 01:07:50,729 You have to remember that I started my career and grew up in 1052 01:07:50,729 --> 01:07:54,929 the Netherlands. So when I went to school in West Virginia when 1053 01:07:54,929 --> 01:08:04,499 I was what? It was 19 I guess 18 now 18 that was pretty much my 1054 01:08:04,499 --> 01:08:07,829 first exposure to rush. They did nothing and yet it was not on 1055 01:08:07,829 --> 01:08:15,689 the radio. It was the only thing would be spirit of radio. That 1056 01:08:15,689 --> 01:08:21,839 the one that one? Yeah, that's the only song that I was 1057 01:08:21,839 --> 01:08:26,099 familiar with. Yeah. So how does this correlate to your boost? 1058 01:08:26,639 --> 01:08:26,939 Now 1059 01:08:26,940 --> 01:08:29,610 that's that's the name of one of their albums is 2112 1060 01:08:31,380 --> 01:08:34,890 Oh, that's you boost to 112? Yeah, nice. 1061 01:08:35,250 --> 01:08:38,970 Yeah. Now I'm a baller booster. You sure are, but I had to live 1062 01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:41,670 I had to cut it in half though. I went from I went from you know 1063 01:08:41,670 --> 01:08:45,180 1033 to 2112. So I boost half as much 1064 01:08:45,420 --> 01:08:50,250 yeah, now I noticed that I like boosting a lot. So be all Bob 1065 01:08:50,250 --> 01:08:51,930 booster show many, many times. 1066 01:08:54,330 --> 01:08:57,450 You want to listen to I'm sorry? No good. Sure, sure. Do you want 1067 01:08:57,450 --> 01:09:01,680 to listen to Mahler's or Did you see this? The jack Mahler's 1068 01:09:01,770 --> 01:09:02,850 appearance on Fox biz? 1069 01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:04,080 I saw a little bit of it. 1070 01:09:04,110 --> 01:09:05,970 Yeah, I clipped it you want to? 1071 01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:13,740 This is jack Mahler's of strike and zap. And I guess it was 1072 01:09:13,740 --> 01:09:16,830 talking about the El Salvador Bitcoin integration, 1073 01:09:16,830 --> 01:09:19,230 monetization nationalization deal. 1074 01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:22,860 The IMF, the International Monetary Fund the world, the 1075 01:09:22,860 --> 01:09:27,210 world, you know, not interested in in stepping up to make this 1076 01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:30,750 happen. You know, you're kind of going at it alone without these 1077 01:09:30,750 --> 01:09:34,830 big organizations that usually step in and help second and 1078 01:09:34,830 --> 01:09:36,720 third world nations get up to speed 1079 01:09:37,050 --> 01:09:40,860 your lives. I wonder why they're upset. Because from a high level 1080 01:09:40,860 --> 01:09:44,130 of view, you're talking about a country sitting president that 1081 01:09:44,130 --> 01:09:48,930 has to look at 70% of the lives living within his country that 1082 01:09:48,930 --> 01:09:52,350 don't have financial access, that don't can't live a high 1083 01:09:52,350 --> 01:09:55,230 quality of life because they don't have a vehicle to save and 1084 01:09:55,230 --> 01:09:58,440 grow wealth. And all he's doing is plugging into an open 1085 01:09:58,440 --> 01:10:01,560 distributed system to give hope to his country to bring 1086 01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:04,230 financial inclusion and basic human freedom. 1087 01:10:04,230 --> 01:10:05,610 Sorry, no, hold 1088 01:10:05,610 --> 01:10:10,950 on me in Turkey, let me lose everything What? Well, because, 1089 01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:14,730 you know, there are many stories legions of them of people being 1090 01:10:14,730 --> 01:10:17,220 locked out of their accounts or you know, there was just this 1091 01:10:17,220 --> 01:10:20,970 situation recently where you have a Bitcoin company in Africa 1092 01:10:21,030 --> 01:10:23,580 setting up and then absconding with the money. I mean, maybe 1093 01:10:23,580 --> 01:10:26,970 they're working on the side of protecting these people to see 1094 01:10:26,970 --> 01:10:27,540 that side. 1095 01:10:28,110 --> 01:10:31,830 Oh, this is great. It's it shows you how little people really 1096 01:10:31,830 --> 01:10:40,080 understand Bitcoin. And this very interesting that her her 1097 01:10:40,110 --> 01:10:42,840 The main issue she sees is people forgetting their 1098 01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:46,770 passwords. That's pretty much it. And then like, that doesn't 1099 01:10:46,770 --> 01:10:48,360 happen to a regular bank account. 1100 01:10:48,750 --> 01:10:52,050 Yeah, and the volatility. Now, these are two big things, you 1101 01:10:52,050 --> 01:10:55,410 know, this would the price swing and I lost my password. I lost 1102 01:10:55,410 --> 01:10:56,130 my keys, right? 1103 01:10:56,309 --> 01:10:58,559 But that's exactly what that what they're doing with that 100 1104 01:10:58,559 --> 01:11:01,799 and $50 million fund is they're setting that up so that you can 1105 01:11:02,489 --> 01:11:08,549 accept Bitcoin, lightning or on chain and immediately exchange 1106 01:11:08,549 --> 01:11:13,409 it for equivalent in dollars. And then the the government or 1107 01:11:13,409 --> 01:11:18,719 the central bank, I believe, of El Salvador takes the risk on 1108 01:11:18,719 --> 01:11:19,529 the volatility. 1109 01:11:20,190 --> 01:11:25,050 Yeah. But what do you think he said? Like what do you think his 1110 01:11:25,050 --> 01:11:26,340 response to her was? 1111 01:11:27,900 --> 01:11:30,510 to this? Listen, you 1112 01:11:30,510 --> 01:11:31,680 What would your response be? 1113 01:11:31,770 --> 01:11:38,190 Oh, listen, you globalist news reader. is to start off like 1114 01:11:38,190 --> 01:11:41,520 that. Listen to you globalist news news model. I might have 1115 01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:42,930 said, oddly enough, I 1116 01:11:42,930 --> 01:11:43,830 did not say that. 1117 01:11:44,670 --> 01:11:49,590 He probably laid some Smackdown on her that was a high level 1118 01:11:49,590 --> 01:11:52,260 macro economics if I know Mahler's that's probably what he 1119 01:11:52,260 --> 01:11:58,260 did in his own. You know, hairless chest. baseball hat 1120 01:11:58,260 --> 01:12:02,640 wearing way he's very, very very charismatic. This young man. 1121 01:12:02,940 --> 01:12:07,830 He did not okay. And that was a little. Now Now, I'm not this is 1122 01:12:07,830 --> 01:12:12,930 not a criticism Mahler's because I think men respect the guy a 1123 01:12:12,930 --> 01:12:18,210 lot. And being in a situation like that, I think he could tell 1124 01:12:18,210 --> 01:12:21,120 he was a little nervous. And in his situation like that, when 1125 01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:22,740 you're not sure what the questions are going to be, and 1126 01:12:22,740 --> 01:12:24,870 they're coming at you quick. I mean, that's not an easy. Well, 1127 01:12:24,870 --> 01:12:25,500 I like how we 1128 01:12:25,770 --> 01:12:28,470 like how he parried her here. I mean, that was good. He's like, 1129 01:12:28,470 --> 01:12:32,460 excuse me? No. And then it comes back with Let me think what he 1130 01:12:32,460 --> 01:12:33,060 would say. 1131 01:12:33,810 --> 01:12:36,060 Because there are specific things where, you know, people 1132 01:12:36,060 --> 01:12:38,910 losing their money because they lost their wallet, keys or 1133 01:12:38,910 --> 01:12:41,730 whatever, and the price volatility swing? 1134 01:12:42,210 --> 01:12:46,170 Well, um, so what I always like is, you know, if I can remember 1135 01:12:46,170 --> 01:12:50,460 12 words, I have my money anywhere in the world. Have you 1136 01:12:50,460 --> 01:12:53,790 ever done that? By the way? Have you ever restored a wallet? With 1137 01:12:53,790 --> 01:12:57,900 your Oh my god, it is the it is one of the most sexiest things? 1138 01:12:58,110 --> 01:13:02,280 Really? Yeah, get the blue wallet. Okay. And on the blue, 1139 01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:08,970 so I have my I actually did it for the podcast index node, I 1140 01:13:08,970 --> 01:13:12,660 think what I tested you and so you can create a watch wallet. 1141 01:13:12,660 --> 01:13:15,150 So you can't interact with it you can spend from it, but you 1142 01:13:15,150 --> 01:13:19,230 can see everything that's happening. And you know, I 1143 01:13:19,500 --> 01:13:24,810 literally took the took the seed words, put them in, boom, and 1144 01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:26,130 the wallet pops right up. 1145 01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:30,180 I've read the spec on how that works. That in the mastering 1146 01:13:30,180 --> 01:13:34,890 Bitcoin book. I can't I still can't tell you how it works. 1147 01:13:34,980 --> 01:13:40,110 It's like math magic or something. I mean, some somehow 1148 01:13:40,620 --> 01:13:42,120 he's in the jury, like, well, 1149 01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:44,640 this is different systems, right? I think yeah, there's 1150 01:13:44,670 --> 01:13:48,270 there's different but they all kind of will. Like do all it 1151 01:13:48,660 --> 01:13:51,450 will do what they call it like that. Yeah, you all will eat 1152 01:13:51,450 --> 01:13:55,500 anything. Dude even come close. It's like, yeah, I think you're 1153 01:13:55,500 --> 01:13:59,220 using this system. Is this what you meant? Yeah. Okay. So I have 1154 01:13:59,220 --> 01:14:03,750 one wallet. That is for me is like, Okay, if I'm anywhere in 1155 01:14:03,750 --> 01:14:06,840 the world, and I need money, these 12 words in this sequence 1156 01:14:06,870 --> 01:14:11,370 I've memorized. I rehearsed them once a month. The first Yes, the 1157 01:14:11,370 --> 01:14:14,550 first of the month. I rehearse them. I make sure I've got them 1158 01:14:14,550 --> 01:14:19,770 that? Yes. Oh, yes. That's cool. Well, you know, there's many 1159 01:14:19,770 --> 01:14:22,680 ways to memorize I once read actually interviewed the guy who 1160 01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:25,770 wrote the he was a journalist. What was his name? He wrote, he 1161 01:14:25,770 --> 01:14:29,970 was researching for a book about memory professionals, you know, 1162 01:14:29,970 --> 01:14:31,620 who compete in contests. 1163 01:14:32,010 --> 01:14:37,230 That's not the mega memory guy was it? Who was that guy? Well, 1164 01:14:37,290 --> 01:14:40,860 he's not infomercial guy, right? No, no, no. Okay. All right. 1165 01:14:41,910 --> 01:14:44,850 And this guy, he got so interested that he not only did 1166 01:14:45,270 --> 01:14:48,270 the start to learn the techniques, but he went on to 1167 01:14:48,270 --> 01:14:52,200 win the World Championship. In memory, and you know, these guys 1168 01:14:52,410 --> 01:14:56,760 do, they can tell you the sequence of a whole deck of 1169 01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:59,760 cards. That's been shuffled, they'll tell you this and the 1170 01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:05,550 way They do it is architecture. And so they would buy every 1171 01:15:05,550 --> 01:15:09,180 architectural magazine, anything has a house in it. And so it's 1172 01:15:09,180 --> 01:15:12,690 okay I have to remember this, I'm, I'm in the house, I see in 1173 01:15:12,690 --> 01:15:17,940 front of me, I see a couch, that is the word dog, because the dog 1174 01:15:17,940 --> 01:15:21,120 be on the couch, then I'm going to look to my association with 1175 01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:24,750 architecture. And so you walk through the house, in your mind 1176 01:15:24,750 --> 01:15:28,350 in sequence. And that's where you either you put notes on the 1177 01:15:28,350 --> 01:15:31,260 door or something, it's something that you recognize, 1178 01:15:31,650 --> 01:15:35,070 and it really works. I can recall things from years ago 1179 01:15:35,100 --> 01:15:38,460 using that system, but I have to I have to keep it active, you 1180 01:15:38,460 --> 01:15:41,580 know, otherwise, it's it, you really have to concentrate. 1181 01:15:41,580 --> 01:15:44,370 Okay, what did the house look like? Anyway, so I've done that. 1182 01:15:44,370 --> 01:15:47,130 And it's beautiful. When you when you do that, and you see 1183 01:15:47,130 --> 01:15:51,120 the wallet come back? It's magic. So to me, that is one of 1184 01:15:51,180 --> 01:15:55,770 one of the beauties of Bitcoin is I have my password, my past 1185 01:15:55,770 --> 01:15:58,590 words in my head, but it's really to my fortune, you know, 1186 01:15:58,590 --> 01:16:03,120 there's nothing else I really need to remember. But this on 1187 01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:06,090 the other thing, what was the second one? 1188 01:16:07,230 --> 01:16:09,360 The volatility? Yeah. 1189 01:16:12,090 --> 01:16:15,120 Well, I mean, the answer in this particular interview would be 1190 01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:18,000 that the volatility risk is being taken up by the 1191 01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:26,160 government. And, and blow me that would be my answer. closer 1192 01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:29,460 to what is it? Exactly? Well, let's listen in. 1193 01:16:29,820 --> 01:16:34,800 I think it says a lot more about the folks that are against basic 1194 01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:38,520 human freedom and plugging into an open source system than it is 1195 01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:43,260 those for fighting for human freedom. I the dollar is still 1196 01:16:43,260 --> 01:16:46,860 legal tender, El Salvador is not going against any pre existing 1197 01:16:46,860 --> 01:16:49,860 efforts. It's plugging into a new system where it sees hope 1198 01:16:50,100 --> 01:16:53,340 and a better future for its citizens. I fundamentally see no 1199 01:16:53,340 --> 01:16:56,370 issue with that. I think there's a lot of useful problems to 1200 01:16:56,370 --> 01:17:00,120 solve with Bitcoin. And the problems you're bringing up are 1201 01:17:00,180 --> 01:17:03,270 to do with a certain company or certain individual event Bitcoin 1202 01:17:03,270 --> 01:17:06,420 is an open distributed network, there is no central point of 1203 01:17:06,420 --> 01:17:09,840 failure, there is no central counterpart that can make any 1204 01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:12,000 decisions on behalf of the government of President if the 1205 01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:15,390 President is to go haywire and lose his mind the Bitcoin 1206 01:17:15,390 --> 01:17:18,240 network is going to defend against it and not care one bit 1207 01:17:18,330 --> 01:17:22,140 there are no risks and plugging into an open free true system 1208 01:17:22,230 --> 01:17:25,320 and giving his country hope I see no problem with that and I 1209 01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:27,840 have a problem with those that do see a problem with that and 1210 01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:31,200 are trying to get in the way I find that morally wrong. 1211 01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:36,360 Okay, interesting. And this is in general I think this is a 1212 01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:40,290 good way to market Bitcoin but they're not doing it right. And 1213 01:17:40,290 --> 01:17:41,010 this started with 1214 01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:43,950 that was my exact thought. Yeah, just started with Ilan 1215 01:17:45,330 --> 01:17:49,890 You know, when he in essence, kicked the pile and said, okay, 1216 01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:53,010 tumbled down a little bit. You're not environmentally 1217 01:17:53,010 --> 01:17:56,880 friendly, whatever. And a lot of long term bitcoiners were 1218 01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,310 posting Hey man, do you know that you actually affected 1219 01:17:59,310 --> 01:18:03,690 people with the reduction in price you know, people who rely 1220 01:18:03,690 --> 01:18:06,720 on this it's their money and you've basically chopped it down 1221 01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:14,430 by 1015 20%. While true no one knows this yet no one no one 1222 01:18:14,460 --> 01:18:18,240 really is certainly not in the financial press has any idea 1223 01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:22,530 what was jack Mahler's just said there is no they do not 1224 01:18:22,530 --> 01:18:26,310 understand at all about the freedom of owning your own money 1225 01:18:26,310 --> 01:18:29,610 being your own bank having your own responsibility, and for it 1226 01:18:29,610 --> 01:18:34,260 not to be able to be seized in any way if they don't understand 1227 01:18:34,260 --> 01:18:40,980 that but really to thank god man, this house business I mean, 1228 01:18:41,550 --> 01:18:45,180 you know, so do we have a mortgage or we'd had money left? 1229 01:18:45,180 --> 01:18:48,810 Oh, you know, we made some money on the house we sold and we had 1230 01:18:48,810 --> 01:18:54,660 saved some money, the amount of transfers and waiting and it's 1231 01:18:54,690 --> 01:19:01,560 it's in process and from bank to bank to escrow to title company. 1232 01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:07,830 And then, okay, and Tina and I know that the day before we're 1233 01:19:07,830 --> 01:19:10,680 going to close on the new home, Okay, I'm gonna send this on the 1234 01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:13,920 wire this big this big money here, here we go. You'll never 1235 01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,680 fingers you probably won't see this amount in this account ever 1236 01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:22,590 again. Here we go. And you cannot wire over $25,000 like 1237 01:19:22,620 --> 01:19:25,050 okay, well, I did have to wire a little bit a little bit more 1238 01:19:25,050 --> 01:19:28,140 than that. So and then we have to go to the bank, we got to get 1239 01:19:28,140 --> 01:19:31,410 a certified check. I mean, holy crap. Meanwhile, if you just 1240 01:19:31,410 --> 01:19:36,660 look at mem space dot pool, is that mem pool dot space I think 1241 01:19:36,660 --> 01:19:41,880 it is. And you just go look at the transactions that are taking 1242 01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:44,640 place on chain right now. I'll just read off the numbers as 1243 01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:47,520 they fly by Oh, they're big. They're very big. Well, here's 1244 01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:56,970 5150 3868 31,004 50 40,007 27 sometimes it's you 14 million 1245 01:19:57,000 --> 01:20:01,920 flash and by 11,112,000. Now, of course these are, you know, 1246 01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:06,540 probably going in and out of exchanges. Who knows what what 1247 01:20:06,540 --> 01:20:10,980 those big amounts are for but the speed, you know, just try 1248 01:20:10,980 --> 01:20:15,480 and wire any big amount. And then you know anything small. I 1249 01:20:15,480 --> 01:20:17,820 actually got my hairdresser. I got him to get strike. 1250 01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:21,630 Oh, nice. Yeah, my brother in law on because I helped him with 1251 01:20:21,630 --> 01:20:26,010 some I've helped him with his computer stuff on the side. And 1252 01:20:26,010 --> 01:20:28,740 then he just pays me like I run his website and stuff. And so he 1253 01:20:28,740 --> 01:20:32,910 just pays me like a fee. It's like 30 bucks a month, you know? 1254 01:20:33,210 --> 01:20:35,880 And so I told him the other day, I'm like, let's, let's do 1255 01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:38,730 strike. And so we got him hooked up. Oh, cool. All right, cool. 1256 01:20:39,180 --> 01:20:41,700 It's such a great way to onboard people into lightning without 1257 01:20:41,700 --> 01:20:43,080 them even realizing they're on it. 1258 01:20:43,230 --> 01:20:47,160 Oh, for her, it was good, because she started doing Venmo 1259 01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:50,880 because it got the credit card feeds, and she just you know, 1260 01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:53,610 she rents a chair every day in a place. You know, it was a 1261 01:20:53,610 --> 01:21:01,530 typical one man shop but renting in a salon. And and now Venmo is 1262 01:21:01,530 --> 01:21:08,640 gonna start charging payers and recipients for, for payments. 1263 01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:09,420 Oh, I 1264 01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:12,120 don't know, 1265 01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:13,050 I think 1266 01:21:13,710 --> 01:21:17,370 I think No, you're No, you're wrong. I was thinking. I started 1267 01:21:17,370 --> 01:21:19,890 to say that. I remember that. But I think what I was confusing 1268 01:21:19,890 --> 01:21:22,620 it with was Pay Pal increasing their merchant fees. 1269 01:21:23,070 --> 01:21:25,620 Well, all of that's happening. It's all happening across the 1270 01:21:25,620 --> 01:21:29,190 board. And people are starting to notice that. And so I said, 1271 01:21:29,190 --> 01:21:32,160 well, let's just do satoshis and it goes in one for one. I don't 1272 01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:34,530 know how they make their money. Well, I do but it's not on your 1273 01:21:34,530 --> 01:21:39,000 transaction. She's like, let's do it. Okay, yeah, that's 1274 01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:40,590 where he was. He's like, Hey, I like free. 1275 01:21:40,620 --> 01:21:41,820 Yeah, let's do let's do it. 1276 01:21:42,179 --> 01:21:45,719 Well, this, you know, you brought up the housing thing. I 1277 01:21:45,719 --> 01:21:50,579 saw this post from somebody at the at an Austin newspaper. I 1278 01:21:50,579 --> 01:21:55,199 don't know which one is the statesman. And maybe I guess it 1279 01:21:55,199 --> 01:22:00,719 is The Statesman. Audrey McGlinchey. She did an article 1280 01:22:01,109 --> 01:22:05,129 is the title of article is home prices in Austin Rose 100,000 in 1281 01:22:05,129 --> 01:22:08,279 less than six months. When will the search end? No, I'm sorry. 1282 01:22:08,279 --> 01:22:15,269 This is the NPR station there. k UT radio? Yes. And so, you know, 1283 01:22:15,359 --> 01:22:19,739 her let her quote when she was posting a link to the article 1284 01:22:19,739 --> 01:22:23,909 was and she says, you know, blah, blah, blah, all this is 1285 01:22:23,909 --> 01:22:26,609 going on each day, more and more people are being priced out of 1286 01:22:26,609 --> 01:22:30,629 buying a home, which is now the way we build wealth in this 1287 01:22:30,629 --> 01:22:38,789 country? Yep. And I think that might be a better sort of attack 1288 01:22:38,789 --> 01:22:44,609 vector for discussing Bitcoin is, is it's protection against 1289 01:22:44,609 --> 01:22:51,509 inflation. And that that seems to be a little more an idea that 1290 01:22:51,509 --> 01:22:53,759 people can wrap their head around a little bit easier. 1291 01:22:54,059 --> 01:22:56,759 Because everybody understands that if you print more money, 1292 01:22:57,179 --> 01:23:00,749 you get inflation. Less. Everybody knows that. It's just 1293 01:23:00,779 --> 01:23:05,429 default. We've seen it with Beano. Was it Zimbabwe, and 1294 01:23:05,429 --> 01:23:08,969 we've seen it with why more Germany we see it, we've seen 1295 01:23:08,969 --> 01:23:13,199 that it's in, everybody understands this. And so if you 1296 01:23:13,199 --> 01:23:17,189 have a money that you cannot print more of, then you protect 1297 01:23:17,189 --> 01:23:21,749 yourself against the damages of inflation. And the damages of 1298 01:23:21,749 --> 01:23:26,699 inflation, to me are where the immorality is. I would like to I 1299 01:23:26,699 --> 01:23:30,809 guess I would like to see modelers, and people and people 1300 01:23:31,109 --> 01:23:33,359 focusing more on that side of things, because I think you're 1301 01:23:33,359 --> 01:23:39,029 right, there's no when he starts talking about decentralized and 1302 01:23:39,029 --> 01:23:43,709 distributed centralization, and openness, and no, no, everybody 1303 01:23:43,709 --> 01:23:44,879 just loses everybody. Yeah. 1304 01:23:45,450 --> 01:23:51,210 That's interesting. I had these clips yesterday for no agenda, 1305 01:23:51,270 --> 01:23:57,450 and I didn't play them. It's two clips, which now I did a whole 1306 01:23:57,450 --> 01:24:00,360 expos day on Larry Fink, the CEO of BlackRock. 1307 01:24:01,470 --> 01:24:03,450 I've got an article about BlackRock right here. 1308 01:24:03,870 --> 01:24:07,440 Yeah. So, you know, there they are, they are moving the needle, 1309 01:24:07,440 --> 01:24:10,290 they are moving companies through their influence when 1310 01:24:10,290 --> 01:24:19,140 board seats and you know, just just tons of tons of influence, 1311 01:24:19,140 --> 01:24:22,350 you know, they have almost $9 trillion under management, this 1312 01:24:22,350 --> 01:24:26,910 is big money from pension funds. Other you know, just really, 1313 01:24:26,940 --> 01:24:30,810 really large organization and, and they're implementing these 1314 01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:34,050 ESG standards, which is part of the problem with Bitcoin is it's 1315 01:24:34,050 --> 01:24:38,250 been labeled as not ESG is environmental, social corporate 1316 01:24:38,250 --> 01:24:43,020 governance. And they now have a scoring system as to how and it 1317 01:24:43,140 --> 01:24:47,670 literally comes down to did you use the word green a lot in your 1318 01:24:47,670 --> 01:24:51,060 marketing and are you woke I mean, these two things it true 1319 01:24:51,060 --> 01:24:56,220 and they have a whole Sasabe and TCF D, which are these org 1320 01:24:56,250 --> 01:24:59,790 nonprofits which are created with metrics how you measure 1321 01:24:59,790 --> 01:25:02,190 that Crap, which is completely subject or a lot of its 1322 01:25:02,190 --> 01:25:08,430 objective. But then I have two clips. So this, this is the guy 1323 01:25:08,430 --> 01:25:13,050 that that is pushing us towards new energy forms. They've 1324 01:25:13,050 --> 01:25:17,310 divested of anything in coal so that it matters what they do. So 1325 01:25:17,310 --> 01:25:19,500 if you want to know the engine behind green New Deal, 1326 01:25:19,500 --> 01:25:22,950 definitely, this is part of it. So this is what he had to say 1327 01:25:22,950 --> 01:25:28,650 about Bitcoin. Bitcoin is still a very small market. And it can 1328 01:25:28,650 --> 01:25:34,650 move in very large increments with small movements of money. 1329 01:25:34,890 --> 01:25:39,600 That's interesting point number one. So of course, with for him 1330 01:25:40,140 --> 01:25:43,350 relatively small amount of money, you can really move the 1331 01:25:43,350 --> 01:25:46,830 price. And this is that's what your volatility is, obviously, 1332 01:25:46,830 --> 01:25:50,070 that's what it is. But here he is, in essence, saying we know 1333 01:25:50,070 --> 01:25:52,350 that because he may be doing it or whatever. 1334 01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:58,530 And so it's not a market for the for the for the calm, I 1335 01:25:58,530 --> 01:26:03,420 understand the enthusiasm around it, this asset category is so 1336 01:26:03,420 --> 01:26:07,110 small relative to other asset category. And the preponderance 1337 01:26:07,170 --> 01:26:10,500 that is being discussed on Bloomberg and other sources. And 1338 01:26:10,500 --> 01:26:15,450 media tells you that, you know, people are fascinated about it. 1339 01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:18,090 So I would say business media believes it's going to have a 1340 01:26:18,090 --> 01:26:24,210 huge future. But But let's bring it down to the investor side, 1341 01:26:24,570 --> 01:26:28,020 everyone is focusing on it, it could be another store of 1342 01:26:28,020 --> 01:26:33,060 wealth. But right now, it's still untested, and has huge 1343 01:26:33,060 --> 01:26:37,020 volatility of moving in five and 6% increments with small 1344 01:26:37,050 --> 01:26:41,730 dollars, investments moving. And so for, for anything like that 1345 01:26:41,730 --> 01:26:47,130 to be to be truly successful, it's going to have to have a 1346 01:26:47,130 --> 01:26:51,240 broadening of the market. And you could invest large sums of 1347 01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:56,310 money without moving the value. To the extent it's doing it. So 1348 01:26:56,520 --> 01:27:01,110 we're watching it, we're enjoying the conversation. It is 1349 01:27:01,110 --> 01:27:07,560 my instinct, it will it may some form of a of a digitized 1350 01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:11,700 currency is going to play a bigger role in the future. And 1351 01:27:11,700 --> 01:27:14,310 it may be in Bitcoin, or maybe something else that has 1352 01:27:14,310 --> 01:27:18,420 developed, but there is a fascination and that fascination 1353 01:27:18,690 --> 01:27:21,780 is is really fun to watch. Okay, 1354 01:27:21,780 --> 01:27:27,600 so now this guy, I know this type of CEO, the things that 1355 01:27:27,660 --> 01:27:32,190 this this type of guy is that he that is on his radar, he'll 1356 01:27:32,190 --> 01:27:36,210 always diminish. You know, it's like, it's fun to watch a cute 1357 01:27:36,210 --> 01:27:39,690 little thing over there. But yes, now notice that he said it 1358 01:27:39,780 --> 01:27:44,010 could actually become a store of wealth. And he says, I know 1359 01:27:44,010 --> 01:27:47,220 something like it will become a store. Well, it could be Bitcoin 1360 01:27:47,220 --> 01:27:50,130 or something else. Bitcoin is the only one he named checked. 1361 01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:53,490 And, and the reason that's interesting is what he says in 1362 01:27:53,490 --> 01:27:57,750 this next clip is from the same interview, about store of 1363 01:27:57,750 --> 01:28:02,880 wealth, which now in Italy, in Japan, because of the lack of 1364 01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:07,800 social services, or also culturally, the store of wealth 1365 01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:10,500 is really the people themselves. They're Savers, unlike the 1366 01:28:10,500 --> 01:28:14,220 United States where, you know, we borrow, so they save a lot of 1367 01:28:14,220 --> 01:28:17,010 money, because there's when you retire, you either save 1368 01:28:17,010 --> 01:28:19,380 something, or you're going to, you're going to be living in 1369 01:28:19,380 --> 01:28:22,140 someone's basement. So I was talking about a store of 1370 01:28:22,140 --> 01:28:25,680 wealth. And so over the course of the next 20 years, you're 1371 01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:30,540 going to see this aging society started to spend their savings, 1372 01:28:30,810 --> 01:28:35,220 that's when the Italian or the Japanese deficits are going to 1373 01:28:35,220 --> 01:28:39,690 start really having an impact. In the United States. As long as 1374 01:28:39,690 --> 01:28:46,950 the US dollar is a store of wealth. The exportation of our 1375 01:28:46,950 --> 01:28:53,280 deficit is not a problem. If If there was another store of 1376 01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:57,000 wealth, if there were multiple stores of wealth, let's say 1377 01:28:57,000 --> 01:29:01,860 that, and then the exportation of the of the dollar, and the 1378 01:29:01,860 --> 01:29:04,920 deficits will become a problem. And that's a problem that we're 1379 01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:07,230 going to have to live with when that time happens. 1380 01:29:08,130 --> 01:29:11,250 So there it is. I think it's really interesting that he says 1381 01:29:11,250 --> 01:29:16,410 store of wealth as a store of value is a glimpse into his own 1382 01:29:16,410 --> 01:29:20,310 thinking about it that these guys in that perfectly plays 1383 01:29:20,310 --> 01:29:25,920 into the jack Dorsey Elon Musk thing though the B word. Oh, 1384 01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:29,280 yeah, that whole B word car thing. They're they're launching 1385 01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:32,910 this initiative to teach institutions and large companies 1386 01:29:32,910 --> 01:29:37,710 about the benefits of Bitcoin. I my personal thought is, this 1387 01:29:37,710 --> 01:29:41,760 fits perfectly with those clips that that what I think what 1388 01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:44,010 they're setting up and they're very, I think they've been 1389 01:29:44,010 --> 01:29:49,260 spooked by the inflationary signals that they have seen 1390 01:29:49,260 --> 01:29:52,950 which are stiff. I mean, if that's what she said, is 1391 01:29:53,850 --> 01:29:58,800 inflation. Inflation is beginning to rear its head in a 1392 01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:02,970 way that has a A lot of people scared, and it ought to, because 1393 01:30:02,970 --> 01:30:04,590 it could, it could be massive. 1394 01:30:04,650 --> 01:30:08,310 Well, they're also they're out of ammo, they have nowhere else 1395 01:30:08,310 --> 01:30:09,150 to go but print. 1396 01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:12,870 So they have to store them, they have to store their wealth 1397 01:30:12,870 --> 01:30:17,820 somewhere, or else it will be inflated away from them. So what 1398 01:30:17,820 --> 01:30:22,500 they are, I think, I think the Silicon Valley Tech hedge fund 1399 01:30:22,710 --> 01:30:28,200 matrix is looking at a alternative store for their 1400 01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:32,130 wealth where they can stick it and not have to worry about a 1401 01:30:32,130 --> 01:30:36,840 government taking it away from them through the slow. You know, 1402 01:30:37,770 --> 01:30:41,040 drip, drip drip of inflation, I would say might not be slow 1403 01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:41,460 anymore, 1404 01:30:41,490 --> 01:30:44,100 I would say that they're one step further, they have their 1405 01:30:44,100 --> 01:30:47,160 wealth in Bitcoin. And now they want to make sure that it 1406 01:30:47,310 --> 01:30:51,840 increases by bringing more people in. I think these guys 1407 01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:54,030 have that have whatever they need locked up, or whatever. 1408 01:30:54,030 --> 01:30:54,960 They feel comfortable with 1409 01:30:54,990 --> 01:30:58,530 that they've got their position already. Sure. Sure. Now they 1410 01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:02,070 now they need to rescue the elastic front runner. Yeah. But 1411 01:31:02,070 --> 01:31:05,670 I really like I really liked that thing said, well, Bitcoin, 1412 01:31:05,700 --> 01:31:09,750 probably a store of wealth. We'll see something like Bitcoin 1413 01:31:09,750 --> 01:31:12,060 will be a store of wealth. And then he says, if there's another 1414 01:31:12,060 --> 01:31:14,250 store, well, that's going to be a problem for the US dollar. 1415 01:31:14,250 --> 01:31:18,210 We'll have to deal with that. Yeah, it is it will be. Yeah. 1416 01:31:18,210 --> 01:31:21,510 And why do we say this? Because it's a part of podcasting. 2.0. 1417 01:31:22,350 --> 01:31:28,770 It's a part of the I really, truly see this as such. It's the 1418 01:31:28,770 --> 01:31:32,310 future. I may see it. I see it every single day, I need to see 1419 01:31:32,310 --> 01:31:36,240 how many transactions we're doing this month. But it's 1420 01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:40,110 cranking along just beautifully. And I see happy stories. 1421 01:31:41,100 --> 01:31:46,860 Yeah, I mean, I've added up my total boosts to pod news, 1422 01:31:46,860 --> 01:31:50,220 because I listen to it daily, every morning. Um, I'm pumping 1423 01:31:50,220 --> 01:31:54,690 in minimum $17. Probably, you know, when the week is up. 20 1424 01:31:54,690 --> 01:31:59,760 bucks. 20 bucks. No 17 to 20 bucks a month on one on that one 1425 01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:06,300 show. On pod news. Yeah, voluntarily. Oh, yeah. And I 1426 01:32:06,300 --> 01:32:09,120 want to I don't want to belabor the point. But I want to say, 1427 01:32:09,930 --> 01:32:12,210 you know, I've said this before, I think in a different but 1428 01:32:12,810 --> 01:32:20,550 there's something so magical about catching a listener, right 1429 01:32:20,550 --> 01:32:23,730 at the moment when some when they're listening and enjoying 1430 01:32:23,730 --> 01:32:28,020 your content, and giving them the ability to hit the boost 1431 01:32:28,020 --> 01:32:33,780 button at that very moment. Not a monthly subscription that may 1432 01:32:33,780 --> 01:32:37,500 hit their credit card, when they just when they're leaving work 1433 01:32:37,500 --> 01:32:41,370 one day, and they don't understand it. And they've got 1434 01:32:41,370 --> 01:32:44,490 no, at that moment, they may not have any connection to your 1435 01:32:44,490 --> 01:32:47,670 material into your content. But if you catch them when they're 1436 01:32:47,670 --> 01:32:52,680 listening, and give them the ability to pay you right then 1437 01:32:53,640 --> 01:32:56,490 man, you can make a difference in your in how much income you 1438 01:32:56,490 --> 01:32:56,880 have. 1439 01:32:56,939 --> 01:33:02,519 Oh, unbelievable. And it's a behavior. We're building on a 1440 01:33:02,519 --> 01:33:07,289 behavior that has already been taught to hundreds of millions 1441 01:33:07,289 --> 01:33:11,219 of people, which is the concept of like, and I'm tapping 1442 01:33:11,219 --> 01:33:14,429 something Yeah, and I'm enjoying something hearts, whatever it 1443 01:33:14,429 --> 01:33:15,119 is. It's 1444 01:33:16,950 --> 01:33:18,780 Yeah. confetti. 1445 01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:24,600 I love the confetti. Everybody's got different confetti. It's so 1446 01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:29,280 cool. I really love it. I really, really love it. Let me 1447 01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:30,180 see what 1448 01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:31,620 else are we I mean, 1449 01:33:31,650 --> 01:33:35,910 I wasn't long. Yeah, we know Jew boo. We need to thank people's 1450 01:33:35,910 --> 01:33:38,670 what we need to do value from value. That's what we're always 1451 01:33:38,670 --> 01:33:43,110 talking about. Then, we'd like to thank the people who support 1452 01:33:43,110 --> 01:33:46,500 podcasting 2.0 the podcast index.org project, which 1453 01:33:46,500 --> 01:33:50,280 includes this podcast, the mastodon, all the work that we 1454 01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:57,090 put in the community, the servers. The only way we can 1455 01:33:57,360 --> 01:34:01,050 ensure a future for now is this. Of course we always love it. 1456 01:34:01,500 --> 01:34:05,430 boost when you boost us. That's also accepted for your cut bucks 1457 01:34:05,430 --> 01:34:08,550 go to podcast index.org scroll down to the bottom. Big Red 1458 01:34:08,550 --> 01:34:11,370 Donate button and you can send it to us via PayPal. 1459 01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:17,070 Mark Marco arment comes in gave us above $100 this 1460 01:34:17,070 --> 01:34:21,030 month. You Marco he's working on the cloud in the cloud chapters 1461 01:34:21,030 --> 01:34:21,330 right? 1462 01:34:21,870 --> 01:34:26,610 Yep, he is. Never no no no jingle anything he just don't 1463 01:34:26,610 --> 01:34:26,730 need 1464 01:34:27,330 --> 01:34:34,980 to defragment we will make them faster. Implementation goes 1465 01:34:34,980 --> 01:34:37,830 smoother. It will line up all those blocks 1466 01:34:40,740 --> 01:34:49,500 is this this is oh here it is Lucas robot. And this is history 1467 01:34:49,500 --> 01:34:52,980 interesting. He gave us $100 Wow. Thank you and but get a 1468 01:34:52,980 --> 01:34:56,730 load of this though. He he says thanks for developing the 1469 01:34:56,730 --> 01:35:00,540 freedom controller now a happy user podcasting 2.0 value for 1470 01:35:00,540 --> 01:35:04,350 value streaming and the RSS kind of broad and decentralized go 1471 01:35:04,350 --> 01:35:12,750 prod go podcasting Lucas robot wow I gave Lucas some of my time 1472 01:35:12,750 --> 01:35:16,680 this week to help him get a free patroller setup flowers freedom 1473 01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:19,860 controller I set up in a long time three years yeah 1474 01:35:19,889 --> 01:35:23,669 nice What's he using it for for blog posts aggregation 1475 01:35:24,149 --> 01:35:27,389 I'm not real sure he called he called it show notes. That's the 1476 01:35:27,389 --> 01:35:29,789 name of the things I don't know if he didn't podcast or what I'm 1477 01:35:29,789 --> 01:35:36,509 not sure. Anyway, he he's fairly fairly technical. And you know, 1478 01:35:37,289 --> 01:35:39,599 it doesn't matter what the frame controller doesn't matter no 1479 01:35:39,629 --> 01:35:43,769 matter how technical you are, it can defeat you. So it defeated 1480 01:35:43,769 --> 01:35:44,729 him and he needed help 1481 01:35:44,759 --> 01:35:48,479 once a freedom controller is running is like the trusty old 1482 01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:49,079 steed. 1483 01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:51,180 It never stops he really 1484 01:35:51,570 --> 01:35:55,530 knock on wood but in 10 years, maybe three times have had an 1485 01:35:55,530 --> 01:35:58,530 emergency on the show day which you were able to fix in seconds. 1486 01:35:58,979 --> 01:36:02,519 Yeah, one of them one of those was an easy to instance, right. 1487 01:36:03,030 --> 01:36:07,410 Yeah. And the other one is where I I I saved an offline version 1488 01:36:07,410 --> 01:36:13,290 of you know, some 1000 page PDF filled with legislation which is 1489 01:36:13,290 --> 01:36:16,470 then it strips it all out, just strips out everything you can 1490 01:36:16,470 --> 01:36:20,940 find so he was just a server like I'm still calculating, 1491 01:36:20,940 --> 01:36:23,130 still trying to serve this page. 1492 01:36:25,470 --> 01:36:30,600 Let's say drip Scott gave us $43 shown show note number. 1493 01:36:31,470 --> 01:36:36,120 Episode Number nine. Nice one. Thanks. Drip. Drip says go pot 1494 01:36:36,120 --> 01:36:37,440 go podcasting. Yes. 1495 01:36:41,610 --> 01:36:45,210 Drip is the proud owner of a podcasting. 2.0 certified t 1496 01:36:45,210 --> 01:36:47,070 shirt. Ah, yes, yes, I 1497 01:36:47,070 --> 01:36:50,040 see many people posting their t shirts is beautiful to watch. I 1498 01:36:50,040 --> 01:36:53,880 love it. I love it. You know why? Because I wore it on the on 1499 01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:56,730 the max Kaiser RT show. I mean that thing read perfect. It was 1500 01:36:56,730 --> 01:37:01,350 great, though. It looked great. Yeah. They're like guns. 1501 01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:10,140 Yeah. See, Eric's sending out shirts as we as he can. So cool. 1502 01:37:10,590 --> 01:37:15,600 If you don't have it yet, you should have Emery Bryant gave us 1503 01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:20,880 $33.33 says excellent show guys. I love listening to this show as 1504 01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:24,420 much as do the no gender show. Wow, this is wow. big 1505 01:37:24,420 --> 01:37:27,240 compliment. Thank you. The amount of brain power that you 1506 01:37:27,450 --> 01:37:31,920 are able to get into one room is amazing. I agree. I 1507 01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:34,710 wholeheartedly agree with the 1508 01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:36,060 brain matter maybe 1509 01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:43,140 you made me want to podcast and run my own node. Keep it up sir 1510 01:37:43,140 --> 01:37:46,170 twin screw w wb for BSD. 1511 01:37:46,290 --> 01:37:50,370 You know that's that's such a good who was playing with it? 1512 01:37:50,370 --> 01:37:55,050 What is that black hole dot run? You ever seen that? It's like a 1513 01:37:55,050 --> 01:37:59,280 file transfer service? Well, I guess what I was just thinking 1514 01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:01,980 is, man, I'm looking at that Raspberry Pi. And it's running 1515 01:38:01,980 --> 01:38:06,750 my node. It's running lightning. I mean, if we had ipfs hooked 1516 01:38:06,750 --> 01:38:12,030 up, man, it'd be so perfect. Here's your podcast box. just 1517 01:38:12,030 --> 01:38:15,900 hook it up to your cable. It'll work magically money. You know, 1518 01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:19,500 mp3 is go out. It gets distributed somehow. Money comes 1519 01:38:19,500 --> 01:38:21,120 in and Satoshi somehow 1520 01:38:21,540 --> 01:38:23,880 made the magic box. Yeah. And your closet. 1521 01:38:23,939 --> 01:38:26,729 That's the one the one we've been talking about for 20 years. 1522 01:38:26,789 --> 01:38:32,129 20 years that we'll never have a new house. The new house this 1523 01:38:32,129 --> 01:38:37,439 guy built the house. Any wired it properly. He wired it with 1524 01:38:37,949 --> 01:38:42,179 mounted TVs we're not. We don't necessarily like we're not big 1525 01:38:42,179 --> 01:38:45,569 in the TVs everywhere. But they happen to be in every room. But 1526 01:38:45,569 --> 01:38:49,739 he has a server rack and that's where the cable boxes go and 1527 01:38:49,739 --> 01:38:54,269 he's got Yeah, baby. You know I'm gonna have some Winky blinky 1528 01:38:54,269 --> 01:38:54,809 lights in 1529 01:38:57,330 --> 01:39:00,360 the LC How many? How many Raspberry Pi's? Can 1530 01:39:00,360 --> 01:39:04,020 I fit in that server? Beautiful, beautiful. With a smoky glass 1531 01:39:04,050 --> 01:39:07,710 door the whole thing? It has its own spot in the house like 1532 01:39:07,710 --> 01:39:10,290 What's that? That's my rack. Betty comes 1533 01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:18,660 beautiful rags, huh? month, our monthly guys this week, Keith 1534 01:39:18,660 --> 01:39:22,470 Gibson gave us $50 Thank you. Dwayne. Goldy gave us eight. 1535 01:39:23,100 --> 01:39:27,360 Charles dogs freaking Charles current gave us $5 Christopher 1536 01:39:27,360 --> 01:39:33,810 raymer $10. James Sullivan. $10. Jordan dunville $10 is ducote 1537 01:39:33,810 --> 01:39:35,760 $6.66. 1538 01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:39,210 Thank you, sir group. Yeah, thank you to these supporters 1539 01:39:39,210 --> 01:39:44,040 very much appreciated. Thank you for keeping it running until the 1540 01:39:44,070 --> 01:39:48,210 end until the satoshis sustain us. Yep, we'll let you know. By 1541 01:39:48,210 --> 01:39:52,410 the way. We will let you know we'll let you know. But I'm very 1542 01:39:52,410 --> 01:39:55,590 excited. In a couple of weeks, hopefully then we might be able 1543 01:39:55,590 --> 01:40:01,020 to show some of the of the new onramp process In the backend 1544 01:40:01,020 --> 01:40:04,650 for podcasts, I think is what Eric's working on now, with the 1545 01:40:04,680 --> 01:40:08,640 statistics, I believe, you know, timelines, so you can see where 1546 01:40:08,640 --> 01:40:09,570 the boosts happened. 1547 01:40:11,099 --> 01:40:13,949 That's, that's my understanding mean, this associate dot stream 1548 01:40:13,949 --> 01:40:17,549 guys have some of them really develop. Yeah, they didn't do 1549 01:40:17,549 --> 01:40:19,829 very good. I mean, like, it's got lots of stuff. And by the 1550 01:40:19,829 --> 01:40:22,979 way, they, you know, they're, they said that they are giving 1551 01:40:22,979 --> 01:40:26,969 us they're donating 1% of their of the for 1552 01:40:26,999 --> 01:40:28,769 that when they when it goes out? Yeah, 1553 01:40:28,769 --> 01:40:32,249 I know. Do we know how? Because I'd like to credit them on the 1554 01:40:32,249 --> 01:40:39,599 show with the amount we know how to get that info out. So that's 1555 01:40:39,599 --> 01:40:41,369 the whole question. That's 1556 01:40:41,370 --> 01:40:47,370 a good question. Yeah, I would presume that I can't I don't 1557 01:40:47,370 --> 01:40:49,860 have the I don't know how to do that. I don't have the tools, 1558 01:40:49,860 --> 01:40:52,980 but I think we can. And maybe we just ask them. Could you please 1559 01:40:52,980 --> 01:40:55,380 tell us how much you think you sent us? You deserve some t 1560 01:40:55,380 --> 01:40:59,010 shirts? At least? It's true. Yeah. Yeah, at least. Now I 1561 01:40:59,010 --> 01:41:01,020 know. That's very, very, very cool of them. 1562 01:41:01,470 --> 01:41:05,340 I like them to tell us. Yeah, tough either. Either what you 1563 01:41:05,340 --> 01:41:09,210 did or how to get for how for us to do it on the l&d side and we 1564 01:41:09,210 --> 01:41:10,050 can credit 1565 01:41:10,590 --> 01:41:17,190 for sure. For sure. Okay, let me see what else do we have any of 1566 01:41:17,190 --> 01:41:20,160 these clips you want to take care of a resume? Let me see 1567 01:41:20,160 --> 01:41:23,640 what I got here. We never do all your clips. You have so many 1568 01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:24,810 clips that you always bring. 1569 01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:27,540 We never get to them all. push them forward. Well, I mean, 1570 01:41:27,540 --> 01:41:33,990 let's do a couple ices. Okay. Want to do it like money? It's 1571 01:41:33,990 --> 01:41:38,910 like money if you think about it. You think about it. This my 1572 01:41:38,910 --> 01:41:45,090 favorite though. Satoshi. I just got five satoshis. Was that? 1573 01:41:45,390 --> 01:41:50,100 Dave Jackson? That's right. That's right. He's got five 1574 01:41:50,100 --> 01:41:52,560 satoshis Beautiful. 1575 01:41:53,160 --> 01:41:56,520 Yeah. See, Dave gets it. Like it's exciting fight. Who gives a 1576 01:41:56,520 --> 01:42:00,750 crap is $5.05 satoshis. I got something. I got something. It 1577 01:42:00,750 --> 01:42:01,320 worked. 1578 01:42:01,710 --> 01:42:02,850 I got five or something. 1579 01:42:02,939 --> 01:42:06,029 I love that. Okay, anything 1580 01:42:06,029 --> 01:42:08,339 else you got? I mean, I got stuff. But we just we've been 1581 01:42:08,399 --> 01:42:09,389 out man. We have so much. 1582 01:42:09,390 --> 01:42:12,180 We went so deep on so many important topics. 1583 01:42:13,050 --> 01:42:16,200 I wanted to talk about goods and we didn't even get there. But 1584 01:42:16,200 --> 01:42:18,810 we'll do it next week. Oh, man. 1585 01:42:20,010 --> 01:42:23,820 Okay, well, that'll be our teas. Goods goods for next week goods 1586 01:42:23,820 --> 01:42:24,630 in your future. 1587 01:42:25,170 --> 01:42:27,570 Yeah, that brings them back. Please. 1588 01:42:29,610 --> 01:42:32,490 Come back here next Friday for goods you will not be 1589 01:42:32,490 --> 01:42:34,680 disappointed. Thanks for the day. We'll see you next week 1590 01:42:34,680 --> 01:42:36,630 man. Bye, everybody. 1591 01:42:52,020 --> 01:42:56,610 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 visit podcast 1592 01:42:56,610 --> 01:43:01,770 index.com for more information. I just got five satoshis podcast