1 00:00:00,750 --> 00:00:07,110 podcasting 2.0 for June 18 2021, Episode 42 we're all a flutter. 2 00:00:10,110 --> 00:00:14,040 Yeah, it's Friday, you know what that means? Time for a meeting 3 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,400 of the Board. In the only fashion we can do an open source 4 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,940 for podcasting 2.0 everything that's going on in podcasts, 5 00:00:20,970 --> 00:00:25,890 index dot social, some GitHub stuff on the side. I'm Adam 6 00:00:25,890 --> 00:00:28,920 curry in Austin, Texas and in Alabama, the man who can give 7 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:32,130 you an alternative to your enclosure ladies, my friend on 8 00:00:32,130 --> 00:00:34,170 the other end day, Joe, 9 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:42,030 in the middle of texting, messaging, Dave Jackson that he 10 00:00:42,030 --> 00:00:47,880 got my rush temples of syrinx donation. on his own, his new 11 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:49,980 lightning is shiny new lightning node. 12 00:00:50,010 --> 00:00:53,580 You know, this is a that was actually my first topic on the 13 00:00:53,580 --> 00:00:57,330 list for today to tell you Yeah, cuz I had a very pleasant 14 00:00:57,330 --> 00:01:01,920 experience. And I'd like to explain it to you. I've started, 15 00:01:02,250 --> 00:01:07,080 I've started up a number of companies. I took one public in 16 00:01:07,170 --> 00:01:11,310 the mid 90s on NASDAQ. So, you know, I've run big groups of 17 00:01:11,310 --> 00:01:16,110 people. You know, like, 100 in the New York office alone, it's 18 00:01:16,110 --> 00:01:20,370 700 employees, it stuff, everything, developers, you name 19 00:01:20,370 --> 00:01:23,700 it. We all say I'm good at it, but I learned a lot of stuff. 20 00:01:24,660 --> 00:01:30,870 And if podcasting 2.0 and what we're doing here was a company, 21 00:01:32,010 --> 00:01:36,390 it would be so stressful. Because here, you know, so Dave 22 00:01:36,390 --> 00:01:39,750 Jackson School of podcasting, Dave Jackson, old school silver 23 00:01:39,750 --> 00:01:45,120 hair like me, bhogi of the podcasting world. We're having 24 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:49,200 a, an email thread. And he says, Oh, can you come on school 25 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,710 podcast, and we want to ask you so of course, let's do this. And 26 00:01:52,740 --> 00:01:57,210 he knows exactly what we're up to and podcasting 2.0. And so he 27 00:01:57,210 --> 00:02:01,290 sets about getting set up, I believe in preparation for us 28 00:02:01,290 --> 00:02:05,250 talking about it, which is great because School of podcasting. I 29 00:02:05,250 --> 00:02:09,090 mean, there's history there, you had a bunch of podcasts back in 30 00:02:09,090 --> 00:02:12,150 the early days. And if you wanted to learn how to Podcast, 31 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,720 where everyone knew School of podcasting, you go to school, 32 00:02:15,750 --> 00:02:19,680 Dave Jackson, and he taught 10s of 1000s of people how to 33 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:25,980 podcast. So if anyone's going to be able to help show us show the 34 00:02:25,980 --> 00:02:29,790 world the way with value for value, even podcasting 2.0 35 00:02:29,790 --> 00:02:32,820 features Dave Jackson's the guy you want to have, and so I'm 36 00:02:32,820 --> 00:02:35,940 like, Oh, this is fantastic. Of course, I want to be on the 37 00:02:35,940 --> 00:02:40,980 show. And then he starts to set up a node, and everything falls 38 00:02:40,980 --> 00:02:44,370 to shit, everything's break in, nothing works. It's the worst 39 00:02:44,370 --> 00:02:48,330 experience of onboarding we've ever had. And it's Yeah, and if 40 00:02:48,330 --> 00:02:51,300 this was a commercial company, let alone a public company or 41 00:02:51,300 --> 00:02:54,660 anything. I mean, I won't say that we're not commercial, but 42 00:02:54,660 --> 00:02:56,430 we're doing this in a very different manner. You know, 43 00:02:56,430 --> 00:02:59,400 we're not getting paid for it. We're, we're building up some 44 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:03,030 coffers to be able to manage infrastructure and payment 45 00:03:03,030 --> 00:03:11,280 channels, etc. I would have been very mortified, mortified, 46 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:15,180 mortified, more than agitated you would have been, I mean, we 47 00:03:15,180 --> 00:03:18,210 didn't have but one back and forth text messages during this 48 00:03:18,210 --> 00:03:21,780 entire thing. And hopefully, you had the same like, Wow, it 49 00:03:21,780 --> 00:03:24,810 sucks, but we're just doing what we can do. And we'll get there. 50 00:03:24,810 --> 00:03:27,540 And Dave, of course, Dave Jackson felt that too, I think, 51 00:03:28,050 --> 00:03:28,350 yeah, 52 00:03:28,740 --> 00:03:35,760 it's like 48 hours. Like, the old thing wasn't gonna be done 53 00:03:35,790 --> 00:03:38,340 at two weeks. Yeah, something like that. Yeah, 54 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,000 it'll get there. Like, this is the growing pains of having, at 55 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:46,350 the end of the process, when you have your own full node, you're 56 00:03:46,350 --> 00:03:49,320 rocking and rolling. I mean, you get you got, you got the best 57 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,680 setup. But it's not always the easiest pathway to get to 58 00:03:52,829 --> 00:03:56,249 know to get there, it can, in fact, be quite painful. And, and 59 00:03:56,249 --> 00:03:59,879 there's ongoing maintenance. And it's like an ex wife, I 60 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:05,190 talked to Graham, he was helping me sort of diagnose what was 61 00:04:05,190 --> 00:04:09,930 going on. And it was just your way exactly what you would think 62 00:04:09,930 --> 00:04:13,230 about a distributed decentralized system that 63 00:04:13,230 --> 00:04:16,560 nobody's in control of like this is the system of lightning nodes 64 00:04:16,950 --> 00:04:20,040 has to figure itself out like there's nobody there to tell it 65 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,070 what to do. So it has to figure all this crap out itself. 66 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,670 There's not really a DNS, right, it's a graph that is updated. 67 00:04:26,670 --> 00:04:29,400 And then where does that do you know, how the consensus is 68 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,790 reached? So you know, if I add a node, how does that graph get 69 00:04:32,790 --> 00:04:35,700 created? Who's doing the creation is up just by the is 70 00:04:35,700 --> 00:04:39,030 that the? I mean, my my question is the same. How does 71 00:04:39,539 --> 00:04:42,359 that work? It would be in a lead, there's only one way it 72 00:04:42,359 --> 00:04:44,009 could work. Would it be through to let you know, like an 73 00:04:44,009 --> 00:04:49,289 election or a gossip between themselves? So that, as you 74 00:04:49,289 --> 00:04:53,189 know, Graham said, well, the gospel transition, right, he's 75 00:04:53,189 --> 00:04:56,939 like, sometimes it can take a few days, holy crap, to update 76 00:04:56,939 --> 00:05:01,409 the graph. And but I mean, the channel holes are open. So once 77 00:05:01,409 --> 00:05:04,079 the channels are open, you should be able to route. And so 78 00:05:04,109 --> 00:05:07,709 things should begin to work. Now, the only question I have is 79 00:05:07,709 --> 00:05:12,539 whether breeze will work? Because breeze being a lightning 80 00:05:12,539 --> 00:05:19,799 node has to get its, I think it has to get us routing from the 81 00:05:19,799 --> 00:05:23,279 graph. Right. And that's the I'm out there. Now I'm not 82 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,160 well, no, this is where this I actually know if you go to 83 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:30,240 breeze and you go to the developer menu option, and then 84 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:34,230 you have your general because it's that's basically an l&d 85 00:05:34,230 --> 00:05:38,070 connect to your talking to your node, which is your breeze 86 00:05:38,070 --> 00:05:41,280 wallet wallets in the foreground. And you add a new 87 00:05:41,280 --> 00:05:45,720 issue or get, you can just type it in get info, hit the little 88 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,680 play button instead of I think return my work too. And then 89 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:55,170 it'll show sinks graph, false or true. And when you, when you 90 00:05:55,170 --> 00:05:59,130 first start up your breeze app, it can take 30 seconds to a 91 00:05:59,130 --> 00:06:03,870 minute, sometimes before it's completely synced. But as you 92 00:06:03,870 --> 00:06:08,790 point out, I still I had a problem sending sets from breeze 93 00:06:08,790 --> 00:06:12,120 after I'd already been able to send them from the podcast index 94 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,270 node through keys. And boy, is anyone still listening? Is this 95 00:06:15,270 --> 00:06:22,590 still on? Okay, yeah. Anyway, you got it? Yes. Well, that 96 00:06:22,590 --> 00:06:25,560 brings a brings up a larger point, which, which is something 97 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,530 that we're just now starting to understand the lightning 98 00:06:28,530 --> 00:06:32,730 network. Of course, when you're sending a million satoshis, back 99 00:06:32,730 --> 00:06:37,830 and forth, you want big players, big channels, one bow mumbo 100 00:06:37,980 --> 00:06:43,020 jumbo mumbo jumbo channels, and you know, there's fees 101 00:06:43,020 --> 00:06:45,300 associated, you'll still it'll still be great. It'll be very 102 00:06:45,300 --> 00:06:48,420 reasonable these fees. But what we're doing in our own little 103 00:06:48,420 --> 00:06:52,380 micro network, this requires something different. It just 104 00:06:52,380 --> 00:06:57,090 does. And in fact, it is probably better for micro 105 00:06:57,090 --> 00:07:01,500 payments to be working with more custodial solutions for this 106 00:07:01,500 --> 00:07:07,230 very reason. Is, is you know, so Ellen pay as an example, they're 107 00:07:07,230 --> 00:07:10,380 online, you know, so their graph is updated, they're good to go. 108 00:07:11,070 --> 00:07:16,830 Same for podcast apps, is probably until a lot more gets 109 00:07:16,830 --> 00:07:20,940 sorted out is probably better to do a custodial solution. And 110 00:07:20,970 --> 00:07:24,480 we're talking little lower amounts anyway. So there's less 111 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:30,240 risk unless you're a provider of custodial solutions, and then, 112 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,590 you know, all these little bits can add up, you don't want to 113 00:07:34,590 --> 00:07:37,350 mess it up. But that's what businesses do. Well, you 114 00:07:37,350 --> 00:07:39,870 get a guy like Dave Jackson, who's an old school geek, and 115 00:07:39,870 --> 00:07:42,390 then he's willing to just sort of be like, you know, whatever 116 00:07:42,390 --> 00:07:45,390 this Yeah, this will work itself out and and I'll go check my IP 117 00:07:45,390 --> 00:07:49,350 address on this on this tab, and I'll go check this on this tab. 118 00:07:49,350 --> 00:07:51,780 And it's like, he can get through this thing without much 119 00:07:51,780 --> 00:07:54,780 pain and just sort of you know, figure it out but then you have 120 00:07:54,900 --> 00:07:57,810 you know, average Joe podcaster is not even sure where where his 121 00:07:57,810 --> 00:08:02,070 podcast is hosted. That That guy's gonna really be like brain 122 00:08:02,100 --> 00:08:05,610 explosion. I don't understand what what what the hell's going 123 00:08:05,610 --> 00:08:09,660 on here. So we got you got to have the the what I think what 124 00:08:09,660 --> 00:08:13,620 are we thinking about is like jeans mom route and then the I 125 00:08:13,620 --> 00:08:13,980 love 126 00:08:13,980 --> 00:08:18,720 that this is just a thing. Jeans mom jeans mom on Wikipedia yet 127 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,720 that needs to be afraid. Yes. 128 00:08:23,580 --> 00:08:27,750 Mom experience which actually sounds pretty bad. Just jeans 129 00:08:27,750 --> 00:08:29,700 Mom, I don't want the jeans mama experience. 130 00:08:31,740 --> 00:08:36,570 A little rank. It's like the NASCAR experience. Yeah, so you 131 00:08:36,570 --> 00:08:39,120 know, you get the three to three levels, you get genes, mom, and 132 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,450 then you get the next level up, which is like I kind of 133 00:08:42,450 --> 00:08:45,690 understand what I'm doing. And I'm willing to have the stress. 134 00:08:45,810 --> 00:08:48,390 And then you've got the I really know what I'm doing. And I've 135 00:08:48,390 --> 00:08:50,850 already got my note and I'm good to go. You know, and these are 136 00:08:50,850 --> 00:08:54,090 the three paths that Eric is building. As far as I know. 137 00:08:54,090 --> 00:08:57,690 Yeah. That's why he does what he's described. Yeah. In the GS 138 00:08:57,690 --> 00:08:59,910 mom is clearly the hardest one because that's the one that 139 00:08:59,910 --> 00:09:04,410 takes the most hand holding and custodial pneus Yeah. Like what 140 00:09:04,410 --> 00:09:09,960 was Eric saying the other day is like, we need a semi custodial 141 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:17,670 solution. Can a custodian Oh yeah, yeah, that was not gonna 142 00:09:17,730 --> 00:09:20,400 that was not gonna pass the muster of the of the lightning 143 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,380 Bitcoin. Yeah. extremists Kraus. 144 00:09:22,410 --> 00:09:25,740 Well, you know, we brought in the big guns. Tina, the keeper. 145 00:09:27,180 --> 00:09:30,570 t. Now, you know, we're moving so she's leaving her current job 146 00:09:30,810 --> 00:09:34,170 in which she's already kind of semi retired. And, you know, 147 00:09:34,170 --> 00:09:36,900 she's, she's been she's always been helping us from day one. 148 00:09:36,900 --> 00:09:39,150 Anything that I write? Certainly, you know, she's 149 00:09:39,420 --> 00:09:42,240 gotten Tina washed a couple of di things. A couple things you 150 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:46,230 wrote to you know, she she's a communicator, but what's really 151 00:09:46,230 --> 00:09:48,420 nice, I like that term. She washed it. Oh, yeah. This is 152 00:09:48,420 --> 00:09:50,190 called the Tina wash. That's what they call it Ronald 153 00:09:50,190 --> 00:09:53,520 McDonald House Charities. We do run that through the Tina wash 154 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:59,940 yet. But she also knows how to manage social media campaigns. 155 00:10:00,630 --> 00:10:04,470 You know, PR work with publicist, the whole it's she 156 00:10:04,530 --> 00:10:12,750 she's in the C class, the C suite. And she's like, hey, it 157 00:10:12,750 --> 00:10:16,170 looks like you guys are getting kind of ready. And I'm not going 158 00:10:16,170 --> 00:10:21,210 to let the opportunity to change the world pass me by. So I would 159 00:10:21,210 --> 00:10:25,680 like to join for free. Oh, I like free. Yeah, well, good. I 160 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:28,680 think that was the thing that was, you know, that was the deal 161 00:10:28,680 --> 00:10:32,640 clincher right there. Yeah. You're hired. Yeah. So for some 162 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:37,800 of these jeans, jeans mom bit. I think she'll probably be able to 163 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,830 help us a lot. Make dialy work. 164 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:46,620 I'm looking right now. At the cover of radio eight magazine 165 00:10:46,620 --> 00:10:47,220 volume. 166 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:52,470 Okay, now that's 30 for you before you say anything. Is it 167 00:10:52,470 --> 00:10:56,820 really is that that picture when I saw it online? I'm like, Oh, 168 00:10:56,820 --> 00:11:01,050 my God. I mean, of all the things we sent. It's horrible. 169 00:11:01,319 --> 00:11:07,079 It is not bad. It's not bad. Oh, okay. Thanks. Would you date 170 00:11:07,079 --> 00:11:07,319 him? 171 00:11:08,550 --> 00:11:11,400 I would not personally date date this person that has covered 172 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:20,250 this magazine. But I could see. I could see it. Yeah. Yeah, but 173 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:24,090 the the the pictures in the article itself are those are 174 00:11:24,090 --> 00:11:27,990 great. Yeah, there's no articles good. The best part of the 175 00:11:27,990 --> 00:11:28,950 article? Clearly, 176 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,040 I haven't read the article. So I don't know. I really haven't 177 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:37,110 seen it. The sidebar from me. On page two. Oh, what does it say? 178 00:11:38,730 --> 00:11:43,920 He felt from the beginning. Let me read it as if I'm in the same 179 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,730 way that I meant it when I pinned it to Ed Ryan. He felt 180 00:11:47,730 --> 00:11:51,000 from the beginning of this project that open RSS podcasting 181 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,750 was on a trajectory to just fade away. If developers stopped 182 00:11:54,750 --> 00:11:55,560 caring about it. Is 183 00:11:55,560 --> 00:12:00,510 this you talking? Or is this a little Oh, you just ranking sexy 184 00:12:00,510 --> 00:12:02,610 man? Like, are you talking about this? 185 00:12:02,610 --> 00:12:07,350 Alright, I keep going that pets don't commitment to a single 186 00:12:07,350 --> 00:12:11,430 vision, give the open podcasting ecosystem features with which to 187 00:12:11,430 --> 00:12:14,400 compete and give developers and podcasters a path to 188 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,460 profitability without the risk of deep platforming is what he 189 00:12:17,460 --> 00:12:21,540 preaches every single time we make a decision. It has made the 190 00:12:21,540 --> 00:12:23,670 whole project a true joy. 191 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:30,390 Dave Jones, nice. Nice. Thank you. Very nice. Nice. You could 192 00:12:30,390 --> 00:12:33,090 have thrown in a couple things. You know, this visionary? I 193 00:12:33,090 --> 00:12:40,320 mean, you could have done this vision. A few things. Yeah. Next 194 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,830 down, yeah, no, is a very good article. And Ryan, did you 195 00:12:43,830 --> 00:12:46,890 write? Oh, good are good. I'm very happy. Well, so I have the 196 00:12:46,890 --> 00:12:53,100 big keynote interview. fireside chat thing. I think mid July 197 00:12:53,100 --> 00:12:57,900 somewhere. Radio a radio Inc. is is a an important magazine. 198 00:12:57,900 --> 00:13:01,710 Certainly, you know, radio, but you know, all radio, guys and 199 00:13:01,710 --> 00:13:06,630 gals are now podcasters as well. So maybe we'll see a few people 200 00:13:06,630 --> 00:13:09,270 seeing the light like, oh, wait a minute, there's an alternative 201 00:13:09,270 --> 00:13:09,810 path. 202 00:13:10,530 --> 00:13:13,170 Do you have anything to jump right into? Because that I can 203 00:13:13,170 --> 00:13:15,780 kind of jump into something on that. On that note? No, please 204 00:13:15,780 --> 00:13:23,070 do? Is the whole thing of what is a podcast? Ah, yes, yes. This 205 00:13:23,070 --> 00:13:27,570 is it. I mean, I don't I don't really want to beat the horse 206 00:13:27,570 --> 00:13:33,300 too much. Because I mean, it's it, people go round and round 207 00:13:33,300 --> 00:13:37,200 about it. But I do think it's important. I mean, clearly, you 208 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,800 know, anchors, you know, doing their thing with dropping RSS 209 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,800 feeds unless you asked for it and all this stuff. This is this 210 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:48,330 is the biggest news topic of the moment, as far as I'm concerned. 211 00:13:50,310 --> 00:13:53,820 Do detail. Well. Okay, so 212 00:13:53,849 --> 00:13:57,989 well. And I don't mean to hijack your story. Now. What we're 213 00:13:57,989 --> 00:14:03,989 seeing is big players redefining what we're doing. And I hope 214 00:14:03,989 --> 00:14:08,519 everyone is paid attention. Apple is getting out of the RSS 215 00:14:08,549 --> 00:14:12,479 podcasting game. They are now a hosting company. They've got 216 00:14:12,479 --> 00:14:14,999 subscriptions, they've got the whole thing. They've got the 217 00:14:14,999 --> 00:14:18,839 server, they've got the clients. So they're they're moving out of 218 00:14:18,839 --> 00:14:24,179 the game, and they're still calling that podcast. Spotify is 219 00:14:24,179 --> 00:14:27,929 moving out of the game. They don't care. I mean, just 220 00:14:27,959 --> 00:14:32,729 whatever the reasons for anchor no longer providing RSS, we've 221 00:14:32,729 --> 00:14:37,259 read the vision, we understand RSS is not important. And they 222 00:14:37,259 --> 00:14:41,729 are now calling what they do podcast. So and then also 223 00:14:41,729 --> 00:14:45,209 witnessed the influx of questions from people from weird 224 00:14:45,209 --> 00:14:48,929 places, sometimes, including Kazakhstan, which I'm still 225 00:14:48,929 --> 00:14:53,939 suspicious about. Now I'm very suspicious. I got a question 226 00:14:53,969 --> 00:14:57,149 from caused from a Kazakhstani podcaster and so did James 227 00:14:57,149 --> 00:15:00,569 Cridland, but there was no evidence that it was a form 228 00:15:00,569 --> 00:15:04,859 letter or anything like that. So I was thinking, maybe this is a 229 00:15:04,859 --> 00:15:08,849 board type joke. I don't know what it was, or someone writing 230 00:15:08,849 --> 00:15:12,299 an article. Regardless, there have been other people who've 231 00:15:12,299 --> 00:15:15,989 asked me this question that is a podcast, a podcast if it doesn't 232 00:15:15,989 --> 00:15:19,859 have an RSS feed, and I think it's very important to put our 233 00:15:19,859 --> 00:15:26,849 to plant our flag in the sand, and come up with a name for what 234 00:15:26,849 --> 00:15:31,259 they're doing. In fact, we should call them net casts. net. 235 00:15:32,129 --> 00:15:35,489 That's not a podcast, that's a net cast as Leo Laporte, he'll 236 00:15:35,489 --> 00:15:40,019 back us up. Spotify and Apple are now creating net casts is 237 00:15:40,019 --> 00:15:41,099 not the same. 238 00:15:43,020 --> 00:15:49,560 So I think this is, I would say that this is very analogous to 239 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:56,490 Sirius XM versus traditional radio. Do you still call it 240 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:02,490 Rick? Is howard stern doing a radio show? No. I don't think 241 00:16:02,490 --> 00:16:10,680 so. Either. And so and would you say that most personalities and 242 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,290 because I didn't just read this article, I read, I read a lot of 243 00:16:13,290 --> 00:16:17,970 this radio a magazine, and I was curious about radio stuff. And 244 00:16:18,390 --> 00:16:22,200 people in radio, take their profession very seriously. 245 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,800 They're very proud of it. They, they love the history of it, and 246 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,440 they love the what it represents. And I think one 247 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,260 thing that it represents what radio has always represented in 248 00:16:31,260 --> 00:16:35,670 the reason that it's so many old school radio guys, like you get 249 00:16:35,670 --> 00:16:40,200 so starry out about radio. And as soon as daljit can so so 250 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:44,730 important to them, is that it represents like an openness and 251 00:16:44,730 --> 00:16:49,530 a freedom that you can brought the same thing with, well, just 252 00:16:49,530 --> 00:16:55,800 like ham radio does. The you can roll your message out, you can 253 00:16:55,830 --> 00:17:01,230 you can broadcast your voice into the void into the ether. 254 00:17:01,410 --> 00:17:06,930 And then any body anyone on the other end can pick it up with 255 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:12,960 any device. Yeah, not that the credit. I don't have to have a 256 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:19,350 Kenwood model 3207 in order to pick up this one radio station 257 00:17:19,350 --> 00:17:23,160 site and have in fact listeners would that sometimes go through 258 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:24,030 incredible 259 00:17:25,260 --> 00:17:29,520 feats of performance by stringing up wires outside of 260 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,040 their homes so they could get if they were a little bit outside 261 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:33,120 of the coverage area. 262 00:17:34,500 --> 00:17:37,440 And you you in this article are telling us a story about when 263 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,740 you were a kid and you got a project set and they in you and 264 00:17:40,740 --> 00:17:43,380 built your own Yes, transmit, transmit that 265 00:17:43,380 --> 00:17:47,220 was the beginning of the Radio Shack 101 projects. 266 00:17:47,730 --> 00:17:50,910 Yeah, and that is that is roughly equivalent to hand 267 00:17:50,910 --> 00:17:56,550 coding an RSS feed. If I can hand code my feed, and post my 268 00:17:56,730 --> 00:18:01,890 audio file. I'm done. And anybody on the other end can 269 00:18:01,890 --> 00:18:08,010 listen to it with any podcast app. That is what podcasting is 270 00:18:08,010 --> 00:18:13,050 podcasting is the ability for any creator, to broadcast to any 271 00:18:13,050 --> 00:18:19,650 receiver, not listener, but to any receiver. Because the the 272 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:28,290 the ability for anything to receive the broadcast without 273 00:18:28,290 --> 00:18:32,340 having to go through approvals or, or, or be blessed by a 274 00:18:32,340 --> 00:18:37,470 company or any of these things. That is what makes podcasting 275 00:18:38,130 --> 00:18:41,970 just because you take a podcast and play it on a closed 276 00:18:41,970 --> 00:18:48,180 platform. Yes, the the the source of it is a podcast. But 277 00:18:48,180 --> 00:18:52,140 it's just like saying, well, this radio show, we're going to 278 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,950 they're going to rebroadcast it on Sirius XM was only it only 279 00:18:55,950 --> 00:19:00,240 continues to be a radio show in that scenario, because the 280 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,480 source of the thing was a radio show, right? It's not a radio 281 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,840 show, because it's on Sirius. And it's not a it's not a radio 282 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:11,160 show, because the definition in definition is ambiguous. It just 283 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,820 continues to be a radio show because the source of it in its 284 00:19:14,820 --> 00:19:18,450 DNA was in radio in the same way with podcasting. You can 285 00:19:18,450 --> 00:19:20,520 broadcast it on different platforms, you can stick it on 286 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,490 YouTube and stick it on, you know rumble or some crap like 287 00:19:23,490 --> 00:19:26,310 that. You can stick it anywhere you want to in as long as the 288 00:19:26,310 --> 00:19:31,200 DNA the origin of it is still in the freedom and openness that 289 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:35,370 podcasting was within Yes, it continues to be you could call 290 00:19:35,370 --> 00:19:39,930 it a podcast. But if that original thing ever goes away, 291 00:19:40,140 --> 00:19:43,920 in a sclusively moves to a platform where you can only 292 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:49,230 listen to it on that platform. It is not a podcast anymore, 293 00:19:49,740 --> 00:19:53,640 because it's lost. The thing that makes podcasting what it 294 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:58,290 is, which is freedom, openness, no barriers to entry on either 295 00:19:58,290 --> 00:20:06,420 side. That is It's like It's like AOL versus the internet. 296 00:20:07,170 --> 00:20:09,900 Nobody calls a well, the the internet is they do we tell 297 00:20:09,900 --> 00:20:15,960 them? They're wrong? Yeah. Yep. That's I just, I feel like the 298 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:21,030 while it may not be worth getting into humongous fights 299 00:20:21,030 --> 00:20:23,280 over it, I don't think it is. I don't really care. 300 00:20:24,090 --> 00:20:28,200 Philosophically, though, I do think it matters. I really do 301 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:33,660 think it matters. And because, because what podcasting is just 302 00:20:33,660 --> 00:20:39,270 like what radio is represents an idea in an ideal, that is that 303 00:20:39,270 --> 00:20:43,950 is important. The ideal of freedom and openness, and no 304 00:20:43,950 --> 00:20:49,740 corporate, no corporate control over the means of receiving 305 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:54,840 right. Where and even that is, thank God for progressive web 306 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,560 apps. Because again, that is becoming tighter and tighter, 307 00:20:58,620 --> 00:21:03,540 and it's just going to get worse. What you'd what you what 308 00:21:03,540 --> 00:21:06,060 you what your app can do when you put it in the App Store. 309 00:21:07,770 --> 00:21:12,270 play this. I know, you know, this guy, Adam Christiansen. 310 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:20,100 Cast. Yeah. Sounds familiar. matte cast has been around for 311 00:21:20,100 --> 00:21:25,200 16 years by the parties. Of course, I know. Yeah. Yeah. He 312 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:31,170 used to maintain one of the opml nodes for Potter. odd. You know 313 00:21:31,170 --> 00:21:35,940 which one? He said it was. It's in one of these clips. I don't 314 00:21:35,940 --> 00:21:38,730 remember something. Maybe the technology side or the apple 315 00:21:38,730 --> 00:21:39,750 side? Yeah. 316 00:21:39,750 --> 00:21:43,050 Now it's coming back to me. Oh, my God. This is a long time ago. 317 00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:48,330 A long time ago. Sure. Played the clip, Matt cast. Are they 318 00:21:48,330 --> 00:21:51,720 podcast? One? There's a lot of options and things happening. 319 00:21:51,810 --> 00:21:55,320 There's a lot of siloing of podcasts that are going on, 320 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,860 they're starting to like network up and get brought together and 321 00:21:58,860 --> 00:22:01,950 some are moving behind paywalls. And I'm not really sure they can 322 00:22:02,370 --> 00:22:04,740 be termed podcasts anymore. 323 00:22:05,460 --> 00:22:10,290 Oh, yes. Okay. He's the net casts. NET cast. By the way. I 324 00:22:10,290 --> 00:22:14,190 just put it in the one I'm gonna tweet out later. Adam and Dave 325 00:22:14,190 --> 00:22:16,380 doesn't discuss this week's developments on podcast 326 00:22:16,380 --> 00:22:19,710 index.org highlighting the definition of podcast versus 327 00:22:19,710 --> 00:22:22,830 netcast. I'm just claiming it now. I'm just going to claim it. 328 00:22:22,890 --> 00:22:25,980 I don't care like it. Yeah, no, why not? It has a history. Oh, 329 00:22:25,980 --> 00:22:28,350 that's what it was that Lee Oh, yeah, he looks pretty corporate 330 00:22:28,380 --> 00:22:32,370 netcast. Got it. I see. I want to attach netcast to that face. 331 00:22:32,730 --> 00:22:38,820 Well, he can do net casting 2.0. That's right. That's right. an 332 00:22:38,820 --> 00:22:45,060 anchor. Yeah, play play the second part of that. So 333 00:22:45,060 --> 00:22:49,230 podcasting is definitely changing. And I you know, I just 334 00:22:49,230 --> 00:22:54,060 wonder if the definition of what a podcast is needs to be 335 00:22:54,060 --> 00:22:57,720 rethought in the age of, Hey, I'm going to take my show to 336 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,230 Spotify. And the only way you can get it is from Spotify and 337 00:23:01,230 --> 00:23:05,400 being on Spotify? Is it really a podcast at that point? I don't 338 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,220 think really it is, I think, as a Spotify show, and that's fine. 339 00:23:08,220 --> 00:23:11,850 There's nothing wrong with that. But let's not call it a podcast 340 00:23:11,850 --> 00:23:15,540 because I think my interpretation of podcast is 341 00:23:15,570 --> 00:23:19,050 something that's open and free and available on a feed and 342 00:23:19,050 --> 00:23:23,910 available through all of the services and maybe that's wrong 343 00:23:23,910 --> 00:23:27,900 in the modern definition of a podcast, but I don't think it 344 00:23:27,900 --> 00:23:30,870 is. I don't know. Well, okay. 345 00:23:32,430 --> 00:23:35,940 When I don't like the even contemplating a modern 346 00:23:35,940 --> 00:23:42,150 definition of podcast. And I know Dave Winer would agree with 347 00:23:42,150 --> 00:23:45,120 me, it's not a podcast if it doesn't have a freely available 348 00:23:45,120 --> 00:23:48,510 mp3 feed. RSS feed. That's it. 349 00:23:49,770 --> 00:23:53,460 And I think that's that what he just expressed, it's not it's 350 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,200 it's not a podcast, unless it's 351 00:23:55,379 --> 00:23:58,499 right. But he but what he said there was I I'm not quite sure 352 00:23:58,499 --> 00:24:01,199 about the modern definition. No, no. And people don't get to 353 00:24:01,199 --> 00:24:05,129 change everything. They can change all kinds of words, but 354 00:24:05,339 --> 00:24:09,509 like deprecating, you know? I'm not blaming him, but it's true 355 00:24:09,509 --> 00:24:12,869 people are trying to this is exactly my point. They're trying 356 00:24:12,869 --> 00:24:18,359 to redefine the term YouTube podcast. No, it's not. that's a 357 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,039 that's a YouTube video, the 358 00:24:21,270 --> 00:24:24,840 the art I think we need to remember what anchor is because 359 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,390 anchor is really the one that's this sort of like blowing this 360 00:24:27,390 --> 00:24:30,330 old thing up. I mean, yes, Apple over there, you know, Apple was 361 00:24:30,330 --> 00:24:32,820 subscriptions or whatever. But the anchor really is at the 362 00:24:32,820 --> 00:24:38,250 heart of the whole issue because they're now pipelining shows 363 00:24:38,250 --> 00:24:45,360 into into Spotify without a feed, but and so a couple things 364 00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:48,690 on that. Number one, when they announced when I first I saw 365 00:24:48,690 --> 00:24:51,510 that they were going to not automatically create an RSS 366 00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:56,040 feed. I said hallelujah force, that they're not going to create 367 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,580 an RSS feed for every Tom, Dick and Harry that picks up the 368 00:24:59,580 --> 00:25:03,480 phone and And makes us and makes an episode. Because that really 369 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:08,580 is it's like not, it's just space junk. It really is just 370 00:25:08,580 --> 00:25:13,050 space debris at this point, the polluting the entire ecosystem. 371 00:25:13,500 --> 00:25:18,690 And there's, you know, a million feeds that you could parse that 372 00:25:18,690 --> 00:25:21,060 you get get rid of out of anchor, and nobody would ever 373 00:25:21,060 --> 00:25:23,790 even know they were gone, right? It's just, it's really, it 374 00:25:23,790 --> 00:25:28,080 really is just just space junk. So my first reaction was, Oh, my 375 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:32,430 God, this is wonderful. Can they do this sooner? You know, the 376 00:25:32,430 --> 00:25:35,280 other thing the other part of it was? Well, they're gonna 377 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:40,290 continue to pipeline shows into, into Spotify. And I think some 378 00:25:40,290 --> 00:25:45,960 people took that as like, maybe not playing fair or they're 379 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:50,820 going to somehow have an advantage, or they're trying to 380 00:25:50,820 --> 00:25:55,320 silo and that kind of thing that I think I agree with some people 381 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,560 who said this is most likely our response to Apple cutting off 382 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,770 that, you know, that pipeline and I don't think they would 383 00:26:01,770 --> 00:26:06,930 have done this voluntarily. But I think more importantly, I like 384 00:26:06,930 --> 00:26:13,200 that too. I love it. Create direct your people into Spotify. 385 00:26:13,860 --> 00:26:16,860 Make that the the silo the walled garden where all their 386 00:26:16,890 --> 00:26:21,240 all your shows live, and watch yourself die. Watch your entire 387 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,780 business collapse. Because that's, that's what the 388 00:26:24,780 --> 00:26:26,160 inevitable result is. 389 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:32,910 I believe you're correct. Which is why I do the bat the hill, 390 00:26:32,910 --> 00:26:35,760 I'm willing to die on us for the definition of podcast because 391 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,520 I'm just not gonna let them take that just not going to is 392 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:44,220 bullshit. Yeah. So you know, their strategy is clear. Joe 393 00:26:44,220 --> 00:26:49,950 Rogan 100 million dollars Sophia with an F now 660 $60 million. 394 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,870 By the way, where's the where's the lefty goon squad? This is 395 00:26:54,870 --> 00:27:00,960 clearly inequitable misogyny at play. Why does the woman get 396 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:05,400 paid last? Oh, yeah. I never even thought about that thing. 397 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,810 You didn't hear anyone complained about that? Okay, all 398 00:27:09,810 --> 00:27:12,750 I heard was Highest Paid woman. Wow. Isn't that the exact 399 00:27:12,780 --> 00:27:15,300 opposite of what everyone preaches? Isn't it supposed to 400 00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:17,880 be just Highest Paid podcaster? Anyway, 401 00:27:18,330 --> 00:27:22,380 talk about lowering the bar. This is the highest paid woman 402 00:27:22,650 --> 00:27:26,040 that supposedly a good thing? Yeah, like, I mean, come on that 403 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:31,680 like, if if Joe Rogan can get $100 million? Daddy can get 100 404 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:36,270 million easy. Exactly, exactly. It's TMZ. Spotify is becoming 405 00:27:36,270 --> 00:27:37,680 TMZ of podcasting, 406 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:42,090 which will be very successful for certain markets. And for 407 00:27:42,090 --> 00:27:46,800 very few content producers. It's how it always works. You cannot 408 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,400 monetize the entire network. You just can't. It doesn't work. It 409 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,600 becomes very annoying. People don't know, aren't getting their 410 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:59,220 piece. It's not fair. But we've seen it happen many times. But 411 00:27:59,610 --> 00:28:02,370 they do have a lot of money to market. And if they're just 412 00:28:02,370 --> 00:28:05,250 going to say all the best podcasts aren't any I'm just not 413 00:28:05,250 --> 00:28:09,060 going to allow that. I don't know how I'm going to stop it. 414 00:28:09,060 --> 00:28:14,010 But I'm not gonna allow it. I won't have it dammit. And I 415 00:28:14,010 --> 00:28:19,560 would like to say to the hosting companies. I know that there. I 416 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,080 think there's some Jubilee there. I was listening to new 417 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,480 media show. And I heard Robin Todd like, Yeah, that's great. 418 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,720 It's great. It's great. But please be careful. They are 419 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:33,510 showing a path. And that path is a big carrot. Which says come on 420 00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:38,100 over here, you could make 60 $65 million. Or if you have a penis 421 00:28:38,130 --> 00:28:42,300 $100 million. Oh, yeah, come over here. We're fantastic. And 422 00:28:42,300 --> 00:28:46,890 people will go. And they will not, you know, be alerted to the 423 00:28:46,890 --> 00:28:50,100 fact that there's no RSS feed. And they will only promote the 424 00:28:50,100 --> 00:28:53,730 fact that they're on Spotify to their audiences. So I don't 425 00:28:53,730 --> 00:28:57,930 think it's anything to be jubilant about. I agree with you 426 00:28:57,930 --> 00:29:02,280 that as long as we can show the alternative and how successful 427 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,360 it is, and how the ecosystem is thriving, which it is that 428 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,080 people who were very serious and who matter Well, yeah, they can 429 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:17,520 graduate from courses, Mr. microphone, which is what I'm 430 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:22,500 calling Spotify, they can graduate from an ad to to the to 431 00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:25,710 the big boys show where you know where we walk on the edge and 432 00:29:25,710 --> 00:29:30,510 sometimes you fall off and it breaks and people listeners and 433 00:29:30,510 --> 00:29:34,410 producers work together and then build things together and make 434 00:29:34,410 --> 00:29:40,770 things better and support flows. And it's it's just like mastodon 435 00:29:40,770 --> 00:29:43,860 you know, if you look at all the social media traffic out there 436 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,890 it's a very, very small fraction, I guess of Facebook 437 00:29:49,890 --> 00:29:54,840 and Twitter and Instagram. But it's, it works just as well 438 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,140 actually works better because it's not algo wise, etc. In our 439 00:29:58,140 --> 00:30:03,570 case, either with mastodon or load the podcast index out 440 00:30:03,570 --> 00:30:09,150 social no agenda, social calm. You know, it's active, it's 441 00:30:09,150 --> 00:30:13,170 really good and, and there was a problem, I can't remember 442 00:30:13,170 --> 00:30:16,020 exactly what it was but I got an email from another admin from a 443 00:30:16,020 --> 00:30:19,080 very big server and said, Hey, it looks like some of our stuffs 444 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,630 being blocked Here, have a look and we do something wrong here. 445 00:30:21,630 --> 00:30:26,610 Really, the same open source nature that we see in this 446 00:30:26,610 --> 00:30:31,320 project was around podcasting. 2.0 everyone's competing, but 447 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,930 everyone's helping and just trying to make things better. 448 00:30:33,930 --> 00:30:39,300 And over time, it's going to be the place is I see a changing, 449 00:30:39,330 --> 00:30:42,630 you know, everyone's bored. Who's bored with the old 450 00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:45,420 systems? They're not fun anymore. If you're on the left, 451 00:30:45,420 --> 00:30:47,160 there's no one to yell out on the right because they're all 452 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:52,920 gone off the platform. You know, it's just hyper overreaction 453 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,630 hyper. Yeah, just everyone's triggered. It's like It's like a 454 00:30:57,630 --> 00:31:01,140 bad party drug. And so with podcasting as well, you know, 455 00:31:01,140 --> 00:31:05,700 people God, man, I want to listen to a Joe Rogan Episode 10 456 00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:10,980 minutes of ads that I couldn't fast forward through. He used to 457 00:31:10,980 --> 00:31:13,470 be able to fast forward that's the beauty of podcast 458 00:31:13,470 --> 00:31:19,500 advertising. Okay, I'm here. That was That was horrible. And 459 00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:20,970 then a mid roll somewhere. 460 00:31:22,380 --> 00:31:24,480 You're gonna have to fight through the same thing with the 461 00:31:24,510 --> 00:31:25,980 with Sophia with an F. Now, 462 00:31:26,010 --> 00:31:29,640 yes, to get you to get your fix. So I just want to say I think 463 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:34,290 that the faster and while the fast I think can always be 464 00:31:34,290 --> 00:31:39,030 faster, I'm very impatient. But the more we can expose 465 00:31:39,180 --> 00:31:45,300 podcasting 2.0 to your clients, the and I think this is a big 466 00:31:45,300 --> 00:31:48,660 part of what I want Tina to help us work on. Besides, you know, 467 00:31:48,660 --> 00:31:54,300 that helping podcasters on ramp and genes Mom, I want podcast 468 00:31:54,300 --> 00:31:58,290 index, to use at least some of its funds to be promoting the 469 00:31:58,290 --> 00:32:02,880 apps. We need to be promoting fantastic experiences with these 470 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,600 apps. No one has a budget. You know, so I think that's one of 471 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,390 the that's where we can really put our money. Certainly this in 472 00:32:09,390 --> 00:32:14,340 the start phase is to get people to, to know that hey, you know, 473 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,390 try a new app. That's why import and export of opml is very 474 00:32:18,390 --> 00:32:21,780 important. Make it easy for people to try something Oh, let 475 00:32:21,780 --> 00:32:24,990 me just export my and you should tell them that, hey, if you're 476 00:32:24,990 --> 00:32:27,120 just trying this out, you want to import your subscriptions. 477 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,430 You don't know you don't lose your other app if you want to 478 00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:34,560 use that. Those and new podcast apps calm everybody. 479 00:32:36,510 --> 00:32:41,280 Good. Good segue into this. I've got a see what this clip is 480 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:41,730 called. 481 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,860 Wait a minute, do we not want to play number three where he 482 00:32:43,860 --> 00:32:46,740 mentions us? Because that's the one I've been staring. That's a 483 00:32:46,740 --> 00:32:48,270 long clip. Oh, okay. All right. 484 00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:51,210 Is it? How long is that? 234 year right, that's long. Yes, 485 00:32:51,210 --> 00:32:53,850 long. We'll do that another time. I need to chop it up 486 00:32:53,850 --> 00:32:59,790 there. Um, let's see place shortwave cicada description. 487 00:33:00,330 --> 00:33:03,570 But they all look pretty similar. So they've got these 488 00:33:03,570 --> 00:33:08,850 bright red eyes on top of this black body with bright orange 489 00:33:08,850 --> 00:33:11,640 wings. So you're immediately struck by how conspicuous this 490 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,820 organism is. It's also larger than most insects. It's 491 00:33:15,390 --> 00:33:17,280 sometimes about two inches long. 492 00:33:18,750 --> 00:33:19,290 Okay. 493 00:33:20,700 --> 00:33:26,580 So the this is NPR with a podcast called shortwave. And 494 00:33:26,610 --> 00:33:30,030 he's describing a cicada. And the whole thing is about brewed 495 00:33:30,030 --> 00:33:33,360 tin. Yes. root x. Yes, of course. Yeah. brewed x. So he's 496 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,940 describing the brewed x. He's describing this Qaeda and blah, 497 00:33:35,940 --> 00:33:41,910 blah, blah. And there's no chapter art. Oh, oh, no. Yeah. 498 00:33:42,210 --> 00:33:46,470 And I was listening to this with my daughter last night. And I 499 00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:49,800 thought he's describing this thing. I want a picture, I want 500 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,680 a picture of this thing. I want a picture of a showing a map of 501 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,650 when, when they emerge after 17 years, and when they emerge 502 00:33:55,650 --> 00:33:59,730 after like 13 or five different things, or I can't I couldn't 503 00:33:59,730 --> 00:34:03,540 see the map. And I want to I want this stuff. And so like 504 00:34:03,540 --> 00:34:07,980 this is the this is the perfect example. And people you said 505 00:34:07,980 --> 00:34:10,860 people are bored, you know, like, give them something new. 506 00:34:10,860 --> 00:34:16,050 It's time to give them new things. podcast addict. pod 507 00:34:16,050 --> 00:34:23,370 friend, Josh, hyper catcher. They all support chapter art. 508 00:34:23,370 --> 00:34:30,960 Now the breeze areas in Marco's working on putting cloud 509 00:34:30,990 --> 00:34:34,110 podcasting people know cloud based chapters, JSON chapters 510 00:34:34,110 --> 00:34:38,250 into overcast. There's no all the production side of 511 00:34:38,250 --> 00:34:40,470 podcasting, NPR. 512 00:34:41,310 --> 00:34:44,310 That'll be that'll be so huge when Marco puts it in. 513 00:34:44,730 --> 00:34:47,790 Yes, Stacy, if you're listening, get your guys to start putting 514 00:34:47,790 --> 00:34:52,320 chapter art in there because it is. It is a multimedia 515 00:34:52,500 --> 00:34:56,820 experience. pleasant experience. Yes, you're completely in the 516 00:34:56,820 --> 00:35:00,120 car. It's fantastic when you see chapters change and then It'll 517 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,420 blow people's mind if they've never seen it before on an like, 518 00:35:03,540 --> 00:35:06,780 imagine. So imagine that somebody who's addicted to NPR 519 00:35:06,780 --> 00:35:13,110 podcast, they are on a you know, they're on a modern app. And 520 00:35:13,110 --> 00:35:16,080 they and then all the sudden they're listening to a thing 521 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:21,300 about cicadas and brood tin. And boom, there's pops up the 522 00:35:21,300 --> 00:35:24,240 cicada. You can even say take a look at your screen. You'll see 523 00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:27,780 it right now. And there's a link to more information. Oh, no. 524 00:35:28,410 --> 00:35:33,600 Yeah. And it will blow their mind. Yeah. This is the time. 525 00:35:34,170 --> 00:35:39,180 This is the point in time to take this tech and put it in 526 00:35:39,180 --> 00:35:44,700 front of, of normal people. Instead of just geeks. It's to 527 00:35:44,700 --> 00:35:49,350 that point, it's that easy. Now it's to that ease of use level. 528 00:35:49,830 --> 00:35:53,340 And it really will jazz people up like crazy. 529 00:35:53,610 --> 00:35:57,570 I agree. That's, I've seen nothing but these types of 530 00:35:57,570 --> 00:36:00,540 comments. I was using podcast addict. And all of a sudden I 531 00:36:00,540 --> 00:36:03,480 saw the art change. See, this is someone who just uses the app 532 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,510 and didn't even know that was coming and was baked in and just 533 00:36:06,510 --> 00:36:10,380 had that that surprise, like, Oh, my God. It's delightful. 534 00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:17,190 It's delightful. Well, we saw a new app. We were given a video 535 00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:21,480 demo. We put under some or some kind of hush, hush. Don't talk 536 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:26,340 about it with this, or we're not a friendly one. Yeah. Well, 537 00:36:26,340 --> 00:36:28,680 there's another app coming and this is flutter stuff that 538 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:29,670 people are building in. 539 00:36:30,900 --> 00:36:34,020 Yeah, that must be that's that's the hot new thing that I guess 540 00:36:34,020 --> 00:36:36,360 because you can build for like multiple platforms all at once 541 00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:40,590 again. I think there's Google based I think there's a Google 542 00:36:40,590 --> 00:36:43,350 developed a really Lang framework. Yeah. 543 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,710 But people seem to like it because you can. From what I 544 00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:49,710 understand, you can roll out cross platform pretty easily 545 00:36:49,710 --> 00:36:53,340 isn't. pod friend. Isn't Martin using that as well now, but he 546 00:36:53,340 --> 00:36:54,240 was using flutter. 547 00:36:54,570 --> 00:36:58,200 Now he's in react. flutter flutter is what anytime players 548 00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:58,620 built on 549 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:03,870 O is very uses. Right? Right. Right. Hmm. Interesting. Yeah, 550 00:37:03,870 --> 00:37:06,930 it's just cool to see more apps coming more people integrating 551 00:37:06,930 --> 00:37:09,600 his pod versus not doing value for value as well. Are they 552 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,250 still not? Not? It's? 553 00:37:13,410 --> 00:37:15,510 It's in there. But I think he said they're gonna keep it in 554 00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:21,420 testflight until until we can get a better on on ramp 555 00:37:21,420 --> 00:37:23,010 experience for ln PE. 556 00:37:23,069 --> 00:37:27,299 Yeah. Did you see what happened with breeze? data channel close 557 00:37:27,299 --> 00:37:31,829 right now not? Well, they had that happen? The problem. So 558 00:37:31,829 --> 00:37:37,799 they submitted a new version to the App Store. And you know, 559 00:37:37,799 --> 00:37:42,389 they're working on the web lm and ln URL. So it's all part of 560 00:37:42,389 --> 00:37:44,969 kind of the same thing. It's all these API's that you can use 561 00:37:45,149 --> 00:37:47,639 interacting with a web browser, which is built into their 562 00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:52,199 product. And if you go to the app section, all of that is 563 00:37:52,229 --> 00:37:59,549 basically ln URL or web lm. Just you know, you can't enter a URL 564 00:37:59,549 --> 00:38:01,319 and go somewhere else in the browser, but it is, for all 565 00:38:01,319 --> 00:38:04,439 intents and purposes, a browser. And they had added the ln 566 00:38:04,439 --> 00:38:09,299 roulette app as an example. Yeah, that was not a good idea. 567 00:38:09,929 --> 00:38:13,019 Oh, no gamble rejected it a Google Play. I'm sorry, Google 568 00:38:13,019 --> 00:38:18,479 Play rejected it. Why? Because it has a game of chance in there 569 00:38:18,569 --> 00:38:22,679 with paid money. Well, ln roulette, yeah. It's a great 570 00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:26,009 example of how it works. But you can't do that according to their 571 00:38:26,009 --> 00:38:28,649 app store rules. And I'm sure Apple is exactly the same. 572 00:38:30,060 --> 00:38:33,840 I wonder why you say so they don't allow gambling gambling? 573 00:38:33,870 --> 00:38:35,190 No, no, 574 00:38:35,220 --> 00:38:40,710 not not unless they're getting a cut, I guess. Hmm. And this was 575 00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:44,640 something that there was a tweet thread. someone asking, Hey, 576 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,670 gonna put value for value in podcast addict and podcast. I 577 00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:50,130 was like, No, we can't do that. We'll get kicked out of the 578 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,640 Google Play Store. And I said, well, and here I was like, well 579 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,060 breezes in there. Two days later, like, I Jinx that shit. 580 00:38:57,810 --> 00:39:01,260 Yeah, good job. Yeah. Sorry, Roy. I didn't mean I didn't mean 581 00:39:01,260 --> 00:39:07,290 it. Oh, no, that's just what I'm saying this to say, to point out 582 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,430 that the end is coming. Yeah, the end is coming with this 583 00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:16,290 stuff. And that will be the final frontier. When we push. We 584 00:39:16,290 --> 00:39:20,910 nudge users towards alternative operating systems. And Android 585 00:39:20,910 --> 00:39:23,640 is the most obvious case because it's not all that hard these 586 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:28,200 days to load some alternative onto your, onto your device. So 587 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:33,330 you can at least get some of the alternative App Store options 588 00:39:33,330 --> 00:39:37,140 that are out there. Like f droid and all Yeah, yeah, sure. Well, 589 00:39:37,140 --> 00:39:39,540 there's, and there's even one that you can use on graphene, 590 00:39:39,540 --> 00:39:45,540 which somehow spoofs like a Google Play connection and makes 591 00:39:45,540 --> 00:39:48,300 an app that you then use think that it's connected to Google 592 00:39:48,300 --> 00:39:51,060 Play. I don't use those but it does work. 593 00:39:52,410 --> 00:39:58,290 You know, so Brees is on iOS. testflight, though Yeah, True. 594 00:39:58,290 --> 00:40:06,000 True. Is Are there any apps that are doing lightning payments? 595 00:40:06,570 --> 00:40:10,500 that are on the actual app store and not in testflight? 596 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,100 Oh, yeah, I believe so. I believe so. But there's certain 597 00:40:14,100 --> 00:40:18,150 things like blue wallet got kicked out for essentially the 598 00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:21,810 same reason they put in a web browser. And even a web browser 599 00:40:21,810 --> 00:40:26,460 is a problem. You can't just put a web browser into an app into 600 00:40:26,460 --> 00:40:31,560 the App Store. You got to jump through all kinds of hoops and 601 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,820 provide assurances. And I mean, it's all it's also compromised. 602 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,320 It's, and this is, I was hearing about, oh, Apple's going to 603 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,800 release iMessage on Android. Like, you're going to have such 604 00:40:43,830 --> 00:40:46,770 a degraded piece of crap experience. And this is this 605 00:40:46,770 --> 00:40:49,440 have to understand something about Apple is never going to be 606 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:54,030 an apple podcast for Android. Their whole direction now is 607 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:59,220 we're opening this huge vaulted door for you to come in. And 608 00:40:59,220 --> 00:41:05,670 then you're in and now we're we are actually I think, I think I 609 00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:07,950 have it but I have a sound effect for that. I like that one 610 00:41:07,950 --> 00:41:13,350 better. No, I like that one. No, it's not good. No, this this is 611 00:41:13,350 --> 00:41:16,530 what it sounds like once you enter the apple ecosystem. 612 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,710 And when you go in, Tim Cook is on the other side of the room 613 00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:26,100 with pray hands. Yes, pray hands. Exactly. 614 00:41:27,900 --> 00:41:33,900 And they are they're promising you. The AOL model, safety, 615 00:41:34,020 --> 00:41:39,000 security, it's okay, here. Look, here, these podcasts. They are 616 00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:42,450 there's Bitcoin here. They're safe. There's no Bitcoin. By the 617 00:41:42,450 --> 00:41:46,200 way, this subscription stuff is getting kind of funny. Because 618 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,080 I'm hearing some producers starting to moan a little bit 619 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:53,310 like, Okay, I got 15 people subscribing. And now I actually 620 00:41:53,310 --> 00:41:57,960 have to do this special episode for them at once a week. Yeah. 621 00:41:58,110 --> 00:42:03,150 And, and and, and you know, that Patreon has some of those 622 00:42:03,150 --> 00:42:06,540 similar issues, you really do have to continue because you're 623 00:42:06,540 --> 00:42:10,830 making you're creating a an agreement to promise to produce 624 00:42:10,830 --> 00:42:13,560 an apple even set up front, you know, if if you're not 625 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,110 fulfilling your promise of whatever you said you do for the 626 00:42:16,110 --> 00:42:20,130 subscription, you know, we have the right to, you know, stop it 627 00:42:20,130 --> 00:42:23,040 and kick you out and flog you and whatever else. 628 00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:27,720 I mean, you know, I've never done a weekly, I've been on 629 00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:30,480 podcasts every now and then over the years for just, you know, 630 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,260 one off things once a year, something like that. Do the 631 00:42:34,260 --> 00:42:38,700 experience of doing this show with you. doing a podcast every 632 00:42:38,700 --> 00:42:42,870 Friday is a lot of work. Oh, it's actual work? Yeah, sure. 633 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,500 Yeah, it's not something you don't just wing it, you have I 634 00:42:46,500 --> 00:42:50,430 mean, I have to sit down every Thursday night, and collect all, 635 00:42:50,460 --> 00:42:53,640 you know, collect all the all my papers, collect all my clips, 636 00:42:53,970 --> 00:42:56,640 highlight, I mean, I've just got a, I've got a stack of 637 00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:00,390 paperwork, and it takes me a couple of hours, minimum, to 638 00:43:00,390 --> 00:43:03,930 just to bring it together. And that's in addition to collecting 639 00:43:03,930 --> 00:43:05,970 little bits of information and writing my thoughts all 640 00:43:05,970 --> 00:43:08,910 throughout the week. I mean, if you if you're committing to 641 00:43:08,910 --> 00:43:13,050 that, so that you can get a subscription, maybe you're 642 00:43:13,050 --> 00:43:17,070 committing yourself to a lot of work. I mean, the other way of 643 00:43:17,070 --> 00:43:20,010 doing it the value for value model, where you just say, Look, 644 00:43:20,100 --> 00:43:22,650 I'm going to give you my best effort, and you give me whatever 645 00:43:22,650 --> 00:43:26,520 value you get in return in response. Man, that's a whole 646 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,950 lot easier than committing up front. 647 00:43:28,980 --> 00:43:33,000 My experience in general, is if any, if you know someone say 648 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,820 well, what should I think about I'm starting a podcast, pick a 649 00:43:35,820 --> 00:43:40,650 day, release your podcast every single time consistently on that 650 00:43:40,650 --> 00:43:45,210 day, if you can around the same time. And then the second part 651 00:43:45,210 --> 00:43:50,040 is, get a newsletter together together. You have to remind 652 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:55,650 people to listen to them. That's like no agenda. That's a full 653 00:43:55,650 --> 00:43:58,560 time job. It really is. I mean, I don't know how to do that two 654 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,250 shows a week. Well, six hours a week. That is so much work. Well 655 00:44:02,250 --> 00:44:07,740 Dave, the reason for that is, in large part due to you and the 10 656 00:44:07,740 --> 00:44:10,860 years that we work together to build the freedom controller. 657 00:44:11,310 --> 00:44:16,740 The freedom controller makes my life possible with this with 658 00:44:16,740 --> 00:44:23,070 what I do. It really does in the whole all all my shows, but in 659 00:44:23,070 --> 00:44:26,430 particular no agenda. It all runs through that. It's like 660 00:44:26,430 --> 00:44:31,260 having an extra producer who just has all the stuff it's you 661 00:44:31,260 --> 00:44:36,300 know, it's all outline base, all opml you're done with the show, 662 00:44:36,300 --> 00:44:40,260 you flip a switch, it's the show notes. It's a genius product. 663 00:44:40,260 --> 00:44:45,360 I'm so happy for all five people who are using it. And that's how 664 00:44:45,390 --> 00:44:47,520 that's how we were we met we that's what we were working 665 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,540 together. building this product, if anything is is our legacy. 666 00:44:53,490 --> 00:44:59,970 All five of us are just really really happy. But that's it. 667 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,440 Speaking of production tools and that kind of thing, we have a 668 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:13,980 cast upon instance. Oh, hold on. Oh, no. What was that? Oh, 669 00:45:16,289 --> 00:45:21,119 I saw the post. I like I'm just going to be quiet. And and 670 00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:25,109 here's here is here's another magical podcasting 2.0 moment. 671 00:45:25,469 --> 00:45:31,139 So I see Benjamin Benjamin belly Ben Bellamy, Pat Casta pod. So 672 00:45:31,139 --> 00:45:33,149 he said, okay, what's up incidence got incidence, and 673 00:45:33,149 --> 00:45:34,769 you're like, put it on, whatever. So you guys are 674 00:45:34,769 --> 00:45:37,349 working like holy shit we're getting, we're getting a cast 675 00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:41,429 apart. And then I ping you, I say, can we use this for the 676 00:45:41,429 --> 00:45:45,359 shows? And like, yeah, I'm importing our feeds right now. 677 00:45:45,539 --> 00:45:48,779 And the next thing you send is a screenshot, which was just so 678 00:45:48,779 --> 00:45:52,439 beautiful. That said, We're sorry, the lock tag is in place 679 00:45:52,439 --> 00:45:55,679 on this feed, you know, you need to change that at the source. We 680 00:45:55,679 --> 00:45:59,489 cannot go onboard you onto this platform. It was great. It was, 681 00:45:59,729 --> 00:46:04,019 I was like, holy shit, that's so cool. The first thing we did 682 00:46:04,169 --> 00:46:10,439 works is like the software's like, go away. Now, let me 683 00:46:10,439 --> 00:46:14,879 actually I want to bring that up, open up signal here. It was, 684 00:46:14,909 --> 00:46:18,629 it was the actually I liked the message too, because it could 685 00:46:18,629 --> 00:46:24,509 have just said go away. But it was the exactly the right tone. 686 00:46:25,769 --> 00:46:27,569 Hold on a second. Let me see. 687 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,930 Yeah, something like you're gonna have to, you're going to 688 00:46:30,930 --> 00:46:33,930 have to unlock this before we can go forward or something. 689 00:46:33,930 --> 00:46:34,050 Well, 690 00:46:34,050 --> 00:46:37,440 I wanted to compliment Benjamin on it, actually, you know, 691 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,470 because sometimes nuances like, you know, the way I sound in 692 00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:45,750 French can be the way a French man could sound in English, but 693 00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:48,990 here it is, this feed is protected. You cannot import it 694 00:46:49,020 --> 00:46:56,250 if you are the owner unprotect it on the origin platform. So I 695 00:46:56,250 --> 00:47:00,660 like it in its beauty of it being not the way a Native 696 00:47:00,750 --> 00:47:04,230 American or English speaker would would write this, but 697 00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:07,800 it's, it has the right balance of, Hey, you know, this is 698 00:47:07,950 --> 00:47:12,090 safety. And if you're the owner, we did this for your safety, you 699 00:47:12,090 --> 00:47:15,840 know, take off the condom unprotected on your original 700 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,770 platform. Yes. Well done. 701 00:47:21,570 --> 00:47:26,700 So he, when I was back and forth with him set it up, he said, I 702 00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:28,920 told him, I was like, Well, you know, we want to pay, you know, 703 00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,260 pay for the hosting or whatever, you know, whatever is gonna cost 704 00:47:31,260 --> 00:47:35,070 you and he says, he said, Now the French socialists are paying 705 00:47:35,070 --> 00:47:36,180 for us, and they need to worry. 706 00:47:38,220 --> 00:47:41,610 I always knew socialism and capitalism could work together. 707 00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:46,080 And here we are. Here we are proving once again. You're not a 708 00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:50,370 podcast, you have an RSS feed and socialist funding. That's 709 00:47:50,370 --> 00:47:57,480 right. Freedom, openness, socialism. Alright, so where are 710 00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,630 we at with that? You said something set up, obviously. 711 00:48:01,140 --> 00:48:06,120 Yeah, it's, it's set up and then I know, promptly had to show 712 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,460 prep last night and haven't touched it. haven't touched it 713 00:48:08,460 --> 00:48:11,760 since. So it's my project for this weekend. Oh, man, that's 714 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,660 so excited. Because now they have implemented so many of the 715 00:48:15,660 --> 00:48:18,240 tags, right? I mean, they're, they're up to date on 716 00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:18,720 everything. I 717 00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:22,140 think. We said he couldn't give it to us before now. Because 718 00:48:22,140 --> 00:48:25,290 they did a big they did like a refactoring. Like a big rewrite. 719 00:48:25,290 --> 00:48:28,800 I saw that. Yeah, yeah. So he said, it should be good now and 720 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,310 moving forward, they'll have like ease, it'll be much more 721 00:48:32,310 --> 00:48:35,820 easily able to upgrade it. So cool. 722 00:48:36,300 --> 00:48:41,610 I am so excited and so thankful. This is since we started this 723 00:48:41,610 --> 00:48:44,880 project, the biggest frustration which I got over and you know, 724 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,840 Martin jumped in with the RSS generator was that we couldn't I 725 00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,540 couldn't eat our own dog food like I need to be doing this 726 00:48:51,540 --> 00:48:55,110 need to be creating this stuff. And I think just the hard 727 00:48:55,110 --> 00:48:59,160 pushing is what God is the chapter creations and you know, 728 00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,850 Mitch over there. I'm sorry, David had hyper catcher and 729 00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,300 hyper catcher studio. And then of course my true evil plan, 730 00:49:06,300 --> 00:49:09,600 which was no these have to be community chapters. Community 731 00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,780 being the word for Who can I trick into doing this format 732 00:49:12,780 --> 00:49:16,680 dribs Dred Scott, who's throwing man he's now he's doing 733 00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:22,860 Photoshop work. He's got I saw the rooster. Miami, Rooster art 734 00:49:22,860 --> 00:49:26,700 pop up this. This is what I mean. This is so cool. I love 735 00:49:26,700 --> 00:49:31,920 this ad thinking that and you tell me if I'm wrong, but I'm 736 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:38,070 thinking that drips God can turn chapter curation into a full 737 00:49:38,070 --> 00:49:42,270 time job into a business. Absolutely. He could do that for 738 00:49:42,270 --> 00:49:46,860 like 20 different podcasts as a freelancer and probably make 739 00:49:47,490 --> 00:49:48,960 good money doing it. 740 00:49:49,049 --> 00:49:52,949 Well, wasn't it wasn't a Tim from Ellen pay, who said who's 741 00:49:52,949 --> 00:49:57,749 Dred Scott? No, no, no, he said who's Neal Jones that's how Neal 742 00:49:57,749 --> 00:50:00,839 Jones right but but they both have the same Same amount. 743 00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,630 interests like, Hey, who's this Neal Jones guy? He is getting 744 00:50:03,630 --> 00:50:07,290 some serious simplicity. He has some serious as a clue custodian 745 00:50:07,500 --> 00:50:13,080 over no agenda. He's like that guy's making bank. Oh, God. No, 746 00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,780 I think Dred Scott, though, I mean, that's for real like you 747 00:50:15,780 --> 00:50:19,110 can this is a new. So this is a new I mean, obviously okay 748 00:50:19,110 --> 00:50:22,500 chapters aren't new. But the idea of being able to cloud, 749 00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:28,440 your cloud based chapters where you can edit them without having 750 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:32,730 to touch the audio file, you can edit them as a separate entity 751 00:50:32,970 --> 00:50:37,320 that is new is this is this that I was using this term now cloud 752 00:50:37,350 --> 00:50:43,080 chapters, because this is something that I like it to add, 753 00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,510 because it's trendy. I mean, cloud, 754 00:50:45,780 --> 00:50:51,330 why don't we say blockchain chapters? Yeah. It's d phi 755 00:50:51,330 --> 00:50:56,700 chapter. Yeah. Oh, by the way. The one other thing I just want 756 00:50:56,700 --> 00:51:00,750 to say before I forget, I know that Roy told us that Brees is 757 00:51:00,750 --> 00:51:03,930 working on integrating matrix chat, there seems to be some 758 00:51:03,930 --> 00:51:08,070 consensus amongst the group. Let's push this, if we can show 759 00:51:08,220 --> 00:51:12,900 that we have chat, comment, whatever the feature is, between 760 00:51:12,900 --> 00:51:17,520 podcast apps, we win, we win much quicker than the podcast 761 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:22,680 versus netcast war, we win, connecting our apps makes us 762 00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:28,800 win. And that would be so beautiful. Yes. Amazing. And I 763 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,490 even saw someone say that you couldn't incorporate a payment 764 00:51:32,490 --> 00:51:35,910 in a matrix message. I don't even care. Let's just if we can 765 00:51:36,150 --> 00:51:42,000 do the cross app communication, when that has when written all 766 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,780 over it for everybody. And I think it's easy. You know, if 767 00:51:45,780 --> 00:51:48,270 the server needs to be set up, I'm speaking on your behalf 768 00:51:48,270 --> 00:51:51,360 Dave, but I'm sure you agree. We'll set up a server, it 769 00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:56,160 whatever needs to be done. This is an incredibly, this would 770 00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,920 blow. This is our summer project. As far as I'm 771 00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,100 concerned, we got a lot of things in the hopper. But if we 772 00:52:02,100 --> 00:52:07,620 can kind of and I'm talking to the app developers, I think it's 773 00:52:07,620 --> 00:52:11,880 something that is very doable. And you come out of the habit of 774 00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,030 apple or Spotify, they're all going on vacation. This is what 775 00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:20,220 I always liked about MTV. During the summer, when there was just 776 00:52:20,220 --> 00:52:22,920 no television, it was all reruns. And now it's hard to 777 00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,460 imagine for some of you, but it was rerun, rerun, rerun, and was 778 00:52:26,460 --> 00:52:29,820 boring that Saturday Night Live would be rerun. And MTV just 779 00:52:29,820 --> 00:52:35,130 went full hardcore with spring break, obviously. But just 780 00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:39,090 whatever we could do special programming, special features, 781 00:52:39,090 --> 00:52:42,360 whatever it was during the summer, and radio stations do 782 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,780 that too. You know, it's a very popular thing to do with 783 00:52:46,050 --> 00:52:49,530 scrappier industries, because you get people's attention when 784 00:52:49,530 --> 00:52:50,880 it's there for the taking. 785 00:52:51,540 --> 00:52:56,040 You push when you push hard when the other guys are taking a nap 786 00:52:56,070 --> 00:53:00,240 exactly when they're out on Long Island. Exactly. Yeah. I like 787 00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:05,220 Exactly. Like it will spin up a snap server. I think that's what 788 00:53:05,220 --> 00:53:08,340 they're they're sort of official, quote unquote, 789 00:53:08,940 --> 00:53:11,730 implement reference implementation of matrix. Yeah. 790 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,700 Maybe we can figure out how to get the figure out how to get 791 00:53:14,700 --> 00:53:15,690 the EU to pay for it. 792 00:53:16,590 --> 00:53:20,790 Well, speaking of the EU, and I have a little bit of a gripe 793 00:53:20,850 --> 00:53:27,300 with the well, with Cridland specifically, I think was 794 00:53:27,300 --> 00:53:31,170 journal journalism in general. Well, James had a question. I 795 00:53:31,170 --> 00:53:35,940 think Sam Sethi may have been in this as well, about a license 796 00:53:35,940 --> 00:53:44,070 tag for content included in the podcast. And I, you know, I 797 00:53:44,130 --> 00:53:47,280 initially I think we talked about this on, and we talked 798 00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,730 about this on a previous show. Yeah, with the license tag. 799 00:53:50,730 --> 00:53:55,650 Yeah, yeah. So I initially misunderstood. And the reason 800 00:53:55,650 --> 00:53:59,910 why, and this is something that is just my personal gripe, if 801 00:53:59,910 --> 00:54:03,660 you're doing a story, because that's what this was, that James 802 00:54:03,660 --> 00:54:07,230 was paying attention to thinking about or actively writing a 803 00:54:07,230 --> 00:54:12,060 story about the new GDPR regulations that went into 804 00:54:12,060 --> 00:54:14,880 effect in the EU. Oh, yeah, heard about that about the 805 00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,360 music's right. So instead of saying, Hey, you know, 806 00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:23,250 something's changing, here's what's changing. Here's a 807 00:54:23,250 --> 00:54:27,690 possible solution, coming to the group and saying, Can we do 808 00:54:27,690 --> 00:54:31,950 this? I just wasted everyone's time. Because I didn't know 809 00:54:31,950 --> 00:54:33,930 this. I didn't know that this was changing. And what is 810 00:54:33,930 --> 00:54:38,760 changing is the liability of copyright. If and so let's just 811 00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:43,500 say music. It could be anything. If a podcast uses music in its 812 00:54:43,500 --> 00:54:49,470 podcast, then the hosting platform, the holster will be 813 00:54:49,470 --> 00:54:54,420 liable for that. And the idea is not just Hey, we issue a 814 00:54:54,420 --> 00:54:58,770 takedown, you've got to take it down. You really need to scan 815 00:54:58,770 --> 00:55:02,190 these things beforehand. To make sure it never goes up, which 816 00:55:02,430 --> 00:55:06,270 would increase costs and, and really fuck everything over. 817 00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,720 Because the systems, you know, they'll pick up anything. I 818 00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:12,660 could be singing happy birthday and you know that's licensed. 819 00:55:13,170 --> 00:55:17,190 Yeah. So that's just a slight gripe, if you're working on a 820 00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:21,450 story now I promise I won't run to to another outlet and say 821 00:55:21,450 --> 00:55:26,280 I've got a great story. Help us understand because I now there's 822 00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,280 more to think about. Now I have some context around the 823 00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,740 question. Okay, because now I hear all done. I've been talking 824 00:55:31,740 --> 00:55:33,240 about like, I didn't know this 825 00:55:34,050 --> 00:55:37,170 was I didn't understand that either. Until I think I was 826 00:55:37,170 --> 00:55:38,910 listening to pod land last night. Yeah, 827 00:55:38,910 --> 00:55:41,940 we got it. Yes. What? And I heard it on the new media show 828 00:55:41,940 --> 00:55:43,650 as well. Okay. 829 00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:47,640 Yeah. Yeah, no, I didn't understand. I don't see how 830 00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:48,180 that's 831 00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,720 irrelevant how that's enforceable? Well, it's 832 00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:56,370 irrelevant. It tells us one thing, there is only one way out 833 00:55:56,370 --> 00:56:00,630 of this. And it's important because I want our partners in 834 00:56:00,630 --> 00:56:05,340 crime to hear this. The alternate enclosure, which is 835 00:56:05,340 --> 00:56:09,030 now completed and even implemented, I think will become 836 00:56:09,030 --> 00:56:16,110 more important than ever, with undisrupted gL posting 837 00:56:16,110 --> 00:56:21,420 solutions, such as IP Fs, because it's not about being a 838 00:56:21,420 --> 00:56:25,680 pirate. It's about being harassed. It's about the 839 00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,590 harassment that will go to hosting companies that will go 840 00:56:28,590 --> 00:56:33,960 to podcasters. You know, and we've seen AWS, you know, 841 00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,540 someone complained about something on a page that I that 842 00:56:36,540 --> 00:56:39,960 I was hosting in a bucket. And you know, it's a whole Hey, 843 00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,750 what's this problem? You know, is it bad content you're linking 844 00:56:42,750 --> 00:56:46,800 to or whatever, these things will happen. And eventually, 845 00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,310 they can go all the way up or down the network stack, and they 846 00:56:50,310 --> 00:56:53,940 can take you down, except if we have something that you just 847 00:56:53,940 --> 00:56:55,170 kind of can't take down. 848 00:56:57,300 --> 00:57:03,930 Play. Todd, alternate enclosure, no support yet. And this is from 849 00:57:05,070 --> 00:57:08,460 Todd on the meteor show. You know, they just approved the alt 850 00:57:08,490 --> 00:57:13,320 enclosure tag yesterday. finalized it. I you know, I 851 00:57:13,470 --> 00:57:17,130 don't know where I sit with that one to be kind honest. Yeah. 852 00:57:18,180 --> 00:57:22,080 because nothing's supporting it. There's no, not an app. Well, 853 00:57:22,110 --> 00:57:25,020 maybe some of these apps that you're talking about, but you 854 00:57:25,020 --> 00:57:29,160 know, there's not a lot of support out there for it. Oh, 855 00:57:29,250 --> 00:57:34,500 I'm so sad to hear this. I don't like I mean, that's, that's 856 00:57:34,500 --> 00:57:37,680 what's kept us back for over a decade Todd. 857 00:57:38,730 --> 00:57:45,930 The everything new doesn't have support yet. But very quickly, 858 00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:53,730 pod LP, then podcast addict, peer tube, Martin net pot 859 00:57:53,730 --> 00:57:57,780 friend. They're all this is this is this is happening. 860 00:57:57,810 --> 00:58:00,810 This is happening. Yes, very fast. And we have content 861 00:58:00,810 --> 00:58:04,650 creation. James Cridland himself has used it in a different 862 00:58:04,650 --> 00:58:07,920 fashion but with alternate alternate bandwidth levels, 863 00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,500 which is one of the reasons he pushed for it and very 864 00:58:10,500 --> 00:58:11,430 appreciative of that. 865 00:58:12,330 --> 00:58:16,350 Yeah, I think I was disappointed to hear it to hear that because 866 00:58:16,350 --> 00:58:18,270 that that is not 867 00:58:18,450 --> 00:58:21,360 as defeatist man that's defeatist. You're Navy man, 868 00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,630 Todd, come on. Snap to it, sailor. 869 00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,840 Okay, so play Todd, ultimate enclosure, five different feeds. 870 00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,120 And this is just a misunderstanding that I want to 871 00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,180 correct. You know, we've done we've been down this road 872 00:58:36,180 --> 00:58:37,950 before, it's like we're reinventing the wheel. I 873 00:58:37,950 --> 00:58:43,200 remember when I had a, our, our version of this show on my show, 874 00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:49,170 a bit torrent version of my show, I two versions of mp3 for 875 00:58:49,170 --> 00:58:54,570 my show. So I had five feeds, right, with five different 876 00:58:54,570 --> 00:58:56,850 versions of the show, and you know, how much work that was? 877 00:58:58,260 --> 00:59:00,660 Just to publish them all? Yeah, you know, is, 878 00:59:01,260 --> 00:59:05,220 you know, re encode re encode re encode didn't get, you know, get 879 00:59:05,220 --> 00:59:07,380 a bit torn up, get a tracker started. 880 00:59:09,060 --> 00:59:13,830 Yet, so this, this is this is a mess. He is misunderstanding 881 00:59:13,830 --> 00:59:14,910 what this tag is? 882 00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,220 What actually fixes that very problem. 883 00:59:17,310 --> 00:59:21,060 Yes, this tag fixes that whole issue. You don't have to have 884 00:59:21,060 --> 00:59:27,210 five feeds anymore. You You have one feed, in within every 885 00:59:27,540 --> 00:59:32,460 episode, you can list multiple alternate enclosures. One of 886 00:59:32,460 --> 00:59:36,420 them could be a bit torn, one of them can be a low bandwidth, one 887 00:59:36,420 --> 00:59:39,750 of them could be a video, one of them, and one of them could be 888 00:59:39,750 --> 00:59:44,100 an alternate language on on and on and on the the so that solves 889 00:59:44,100 --> 00:59:46,290 Problem number one, you don't have to have separate feeds. 890 00:59:46,530 --> 00:59:52,710 Problem number two, the reencode reencode is easily solved these 891 00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:55,830 days. That's not a technical hurdle. And that's not a manual 892 00:59:55,830 --> 01:00:00,540 process anymore. You could you can create an engine Cridland is 893 01:00:00,540 --> 01:00:01,380 doing this right now. 894 01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:05,040 From Hindenburg, it outputs that stuff almost automatically, I 895 01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:05,460 think, 896 01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,120 yeah. Or you could have into your CMS workflow, you could 897 01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:13,080 have a pipeline, that when you drop the file in there, it spits 898 01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:16,470 out it uses FFmpeg, or some other scriptable, audio 899 01:00:16,500 --> 01:00:20,250 transcoder to just automatically populate those things that is 900 01:00:20,250 --> 01:00:26,700 just not a problem anymore. And platforms like St. St. Without 901 01:00:26,700 --> 01:00:33,750 BFS, our, our weekly feed dump for ipfs. I don't I never touch 902 01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:38,370 it. It's an as an automated process, it it, dumps everything 903 01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:43,890 out of the database, and then goes through and generates the 904 01:00:43,890 --> 01:00:48,840 sequel lite file on the fly, and then automatically publishes it 905 01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:52,680 to ipfs then automatically pins it to ipns. That is a complete 906 01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:55,500 as a cron job doesn't make you never doesn't make your coffee 907 01:00:55,500 --> 01:01:01,350 after that. I love cron jobs that end with coffee. Yeah, 908 01:01:01,380 --> 01:01:06,120 it's, it's a beautiful thing. And then at the end of it, you 909 01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,210 know, every the whole world gets a podcast database. And how 910 01:01:09,210 --> 01:01:13,140 many, how many gigabytes is that? Oh, it's got to be over a 911 01:01:13,140 --> 01:01:13,710 gig now. 912 01:01:13,770 --> 01:01:16,560 And we have no idea how many accesses that gets or anything 913 01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,920 other than people complaining when it doesn't work. Once a 914 01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:26,340 month, the ipfs daemon crashes, and reboots. So no, this is not 915 01:01:26,340 --> 01:01:29,970 a problem. But I'm, I'm famous for being 10 years too early, 916 01:01:29,970 --> 01:01:33,060 which is why I'm not a billionaire, but I'm very happy 917 01:01:33,390 --> 01:01:41,400 man. hosting companies will have to provide this type of 918 01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:48,150 solution. And and I'm just saying, Be prepared there. Apple 919 01:01:48,150 --> 01:01:51,480 and Spotify are hosting privately their take, they are 920 01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:55,050 going to try and take people away. And then the regulation is 921 01:01:55,050 --> 01:01:58,590 coming at us from the other end. So it will be better just to at 922 01:01:58,590 --> 01:02:03,030 least remain the the the tool people, which is really where 923 01:02:03,030 --> 01:02:07,620 most of the focus goes now is you know, oh, it's libsyn five, 924 01:02:07,620 --> 01:02:12,480 it's captivate two, whatever everyone's doing, with 925 01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,900 buzzsprout, picking that up very clearly, from the beginning. 926 01:02:16,260 --> 01:02:20,040 Like more tools, more tools, make it easy, get all the stuff 927 01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,470 in there, I wasn't even listening to the captivate guys, 928 01:02:22,470 --> 01:02:24,180 you know, they're they're looking at what they call 929 01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:28,470 telling stories around data, which is a nice way of saying 930 01:02:28,620 --> 01:02:31,470 analytics statistics, understanding what you're doing. 931 01:02:31,500 --> 01:02:34,920 So these are all very valuable things that you're creating, 932 01:02:35,190 --> 01:02:38,910 don't hold on to the hosting part, make, let's let's get some 933 01:02:38,910 --> 01:02:41,460 of this stuff going. Honestly, I 934 01:02:41,460 --> 01:02:47,760 think the first post to come out of the gate and not, and come up 935 01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:53,760 with a way to not charge for hosting is going to be a big 936 01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,940 win. Because then you can drop, then you can drop your prize, 937 01:02:57,150 --> 01:03:01,320 still have an incredible tool set, and CMS production pipeline 938 01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:07,590 for podcasting. And you can beat people on price. So you know, if 939 01:03:07,590 --> 01:03:11,640 you have a way to sort of take the hosting element out of it, 940 01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:14,760 like you could say, and what I mean by that is I'm going to 941 01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:18,840 describe something, let's just say that I know. RSS comm 942 01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,810 they're big on microservices, they've renamed engineered their 943 01:03:21,810 --> 01:03:27,180 whole system to use a, you know, a modern, published modern 944 01:03:27,210 --> 01:03:34,110 framework internally. And so let's just imagine that, that 945 01:03:34,530 --> 01:03:42,900 they created a look, another tier of podcasting, where you 946 01:03:42,990 --> 01:03:47,370 can say, okay, for this class of customer, they're going to put 947 01:03:47,370 --> 01:03:51,660 their stuff on ipfs and distributed that way. Or some 948 01:03:51,660 --> 01:03:57,840 other or web torrent or some other medium protocol. And we're 949 01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:00,600 not going to charge them hosting fees because they're we're not 950 01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:03,060 hosting their files and using that, but we're going to charge 951 01:04:03,060 --> 01:04:07,230 them eight bucks a month for the for the tools and the CMS in the 952 01:04:07,230 --> 01:04:08,250 past. It's also the biggest 953 01:04:08,250 --> 01:04:11,700 complaint I see if people saying Well, those guys charged by the 954 01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:15,300 amount of time those guards just charged by storage, those guys 955 01:04:15,300 --> 01:04:18,720 charged by amount transferred. It's the number one complaint 956 01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:22,050 it's always the because the more successful you are, the more you 957 01:04:22,050 --> 01:04:23,910 have to pay people hate that. 958 01:04:24,779 --> 01:04:33,239 Anybody can roll like I can roll a min IO server today and store 959 01:04:33,239 --> 01:04:37,769 our mp3 is in there. But and then, but the problem and that 960 01:04:37,769 --> 01:04:40,409 takes care of all the you know have cheap bandwidth at that 961 01:04:40,409 --> 01:04:43,499 point. But then you don't have a toolset. You don't have a 962 01:04:43,499 --> 01:04:46,589 production pipeline or work right. Right. So you still want 963 01:04:46,589 --> 01:04:49,979 to pay for something that that's the value. Yes, the the store 964 01:04:49,979 --> 01:04:53,639 the file storage is commoditized. The value that 965 01:04:53,639 --> 01:04:54,959 people get is from the toolset. 966 01:04:54,990 --> 01:05:01,620 Everybody has their own USP how they want to present it Yeah, I 967 01:05:01,620 --> 01:05:07,170 mean to me, you know, is there an equivalent on linode? Or? Or 968 01:05:07,170 --> 01:05:10,890 maybe? I should probably just stay out of this. I mean, it 969 01:05:10,890 --> 01:05:13,740 seems like Casta pod is such a beautiful solution if you could 970 01:05:13,740 --> 01:05:18,750 give like, the jeans mom setup. Yeah, yeah. Which is probably 971 01:05:18,750 --> 01:05:21,990 just not gonna happen. Yeah, you need to you need to work for 972 01:05:21,990 --> 01:05:23,820 freedom. It's geeky. 973 01:05:23,850 --> 01:05:26,790 Yeah, yeah. It's geeky that man, it's like the Dave Jackson, 974 01:05:26,820 --> 01:05:29,640 lightning node. I mean, can you get to work for us? You know, 975 01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:32,700 with the whole on your own your own system, you know? 976 01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:38,220 Yes. Also, we now have a big channel that we've opened to 977 01:05:39,300 --> 01:05:44,940 Ellen pay. Lightning channel, lm pay has an even bigger channel 978 01:05:44,940 --> 01:05:49,710 to breeze. So this is this is where some of your donations are 979 01:05:49,710 --> 01:05:53,220 going towards not the money is not gone. But we've essentially 980 01:05:53,220 --> 01:05:56,160 locked it up in liquidity to help. And we're setting this, 981 01:05:56,190 --> 01:06:00,690 you know, the fees to zero. So we can just get people's stuff 982 01:06:00,690 --> 01:06:08,160 flowing easier. And that's great on that note. Yes, we should 983 01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:09,390 probably thank people for that. 984 01:06:10,020 --> 01:06:15,000 Yeah. Okay. Wait, let me get my donations here. I forgot. Oh, 985 01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:18,810 Todd. That's what I meant by all those things. Is that if this 986 01:06:18,810 --> 01:06:21,900 thing solves your problem, yes. Alternate enclosure solves your 987 01:06:21,900 --> 01:06:30,240 problem. So you should be a fan. Same Same goes for pod Ping. Oh, 988 01:06:30,900 --> 01:06:39,720 yeah, I sent a sent a email to pod bean. To get the lady's 989 01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:43,770 name. Now. I said, Daniel J. Lewis got get me a contact over 990 01:06:43,770 --> 01:06:46,260 there and checked it out. And he said she's fine with you just 991 01:06:46,260 --> 01:06:50,160 send an email, send an email to her about pod paying long email 992 01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:53,730 and explaining everything how it worked. Earlier in the week in 993 01:06:54,060 --> 01:06:55,140 radio silence. So 994 01:06:56,250 --> 01:07:01,350 how about how about NPR? Are they? I know they have a key to 995 01:07:01,350 --> 01:07:05,760 do it. Every Seattle? No. Have we seen them ping yet? Not yet. 996 01:07:06,030 --> 01:07:10,500 Oh my god, that'd be so cool. I mean, pod ping dot watch is no, 997 01:07:10,500 --> 01:07:13,170 of course. It's not the entire ecosystem. But there's a lot of 998 01:07:13,380 --> 01:07:17,370 active feeds on on the top hosts that we already have, who are 999 01:07:17,370 --> 01:07:20,610 implementing this, but that's so fun to watch. And we just add 1000 01:07:20,610 --> 01:07:23,820 some NPR spice in there that I would feel so good. 1001 01:07:24,210 --> 01:07:27,180 Is the is the fish tank of podcast? Yes. And it's the 1002 01:07:27,180 --> 01:07:34,680 future. The future. Let's see who got here. Ah, right off the 1003 01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:38,490 gate. I mean, what is it right off the bat? I mean, Dave 1004 01:07:38,490 --> 01:07:44,460 Jackson School of podcasting. $50 Oh, really? He doesn't. He 1005 01:07:44,460 --> 01:07:44,910 said, 1006 01:07:44,970 --> 01:07:49,890 it's like getting paid. You go on their show and they pay you 1007 01:07:49,890 --> 01:07:53,820 That's good. Well, they pay they pay the project. That's that's 1008 01:07:53,820 --> 01:07:55,350 really the the beauty of it. 1009 01:07:55,830 --> 01:07:58,560 Thanks to Adam for coming on the School of podcasting and today 1010 01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:01,380 for helping a crypto clueless dude navigate the waters of 1011 01:08:01,380 --> 01:08:05,310 podcasting. 2.0 when I record the audio version of my book 1012 01:08:05,310 --> 01:08:08,370 profit from your podcast, this will be bonus content go 1013 01:08:08,370 --> 01:08:15,360 podcast. Oh, very nice. Yeah, I'm, I'm talking to Dave in a 1014 01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:17,880 couple hours. Actually. We're doing the episode. You doing it 1015 01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:23,010 today? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. You get a for Friday, my friend. Yeah. 1016 01:08:23,010 --> 01:08:28,920 And then tomorrow I'm doing Tom woods. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah, I've 1017 01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:32,070 been on there and a couple years. Yeah. And then on Monday, 1018 01:08:32,100 --> 01:08:36,870 Michael malice. Michael malice. That's a new one. Well been on 1019 01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:37,680 there beforehand. No, 1020 01:08:37,710 --> 01:08:40,530 I have not. I have not we've we've banded back and forth for 1021 01:08:40,530 --> 01:08:44,430 years, I think and we finally got a coordinated and he's got a 1022 01:08:44,430 --> 01:08:49,140 huge audience. So no, does he know Yeah, yeah. Yeah. When I 1023 01:08:49,140 --> 01:08:54,450 said Michael malice, Tina, when she if she knows, she knows what 1024 01:08:54,510 --> 01:08:57,210 was What's happening? Is she cheating on the poor boy with 1025 01:08:57,210 --> 01:08:59,880 Michael malice? You know, the poor boys fall out of favor a 1026 01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:02,850 little bit. But she she likes to show me his empire that he's 1027 01:09:02,850 --> 01:09:07,410 building because he is he is understanding that he has to 1028 01:09:07,410 --> 01:09:12,750 change his ways. And he's going a value for value route. Not 1029 01:09:12,750 --> 01:09:17,850 with open, open support, you know that you determine the 1030 01:09:17,850 --> 01:09:22,800 value yourself. So that's Yeah, I know. And I know people have 1031 01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:26,520 told him value for value. And many people have said, you know, 1032 01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,850 get out of on the show and I'm not getting invited. So I don't 1033 01:09:29,850 --> 01:09:33,120 know why. Maybe I'm not interesting for him. They don't 1034 01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:37,410 like you. possum. I can't be liked by everybody. Oh, and of 1035 01:09:37,410 --> 01:09:40,470 course the RT were there with Max that aired on television. 1036 01:09:40,470 --> 01:09:44,400 Yes. That was that was a great segment. That was really good. 1037 01:09:44,430 --> 01:09:47,250 Thank you. It's got a little messy at the end. I realized 1038 01:09:47,250 --> 01:09:50,850 because the sound was so loud there but it wasn't loud in my 1039 01:09:50,910 --> 01:09:54,480 through the lav mic. It sounded like I was yelling a lot or 1040 01:09:54,480 --> 01:09:58,620 speaking very loudly and get that at all. Well, it was really 1041 01:09:58,620 --> 01:10:01,320 good. Well, here's how it works in the current household. So 1042 01:10:01,350 --> 01:10:03,840 we're watching this and I say, Oh, this is pretty good. And oh, 1043 01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:06,060 look, I didn't have as much Tourette's as usual. Okay, that 1044 01:10:06,060 --> 01:10:11,340 looks pretty good. And then Okay, Han yelling a little bit. 1045 01:10:11,550 --> 01:10:15,420 And then Tina will say, Yeah, I'd like to review this with 1046 01:10:15,420 --> 01:10:18,090 you. We'll just walk through it and talk about some of the 1047 01:10:18,090 --> 01:10:20,910 points if you're hitting on all the, as I said, I think you can 1048 01:10:20,910 --> 01:10:23,400 even you know, bring it together a little more. She knows what 1049 01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:27,150 she's talking about. You get a you get an employee performance 1050 01:10:27,150 --> 01:10:31,260 evaluation is what you get on the spot. That's right here. I'm 1051 01:10:31,260 --> 01:10:34,290 getting a review. But it's meant to improve my performance. So 1052 01:10:34,290 --> 01:10:37,140 I'm happy. I'm happy it will make everything better. But I 1053 01:10:37,140 --> 01:10:41,940 agree. It was it came out of my mouth. Better than usual. 1054 01:10:42,630 --> 01:10:49,230 The Yeah, no, I thought his WHAT HE WAS MAC started going off on 1055 01:10:49,230 --> 01:10:53,880 to algorithmic music and how they're like, yeah, that gave me 1056 01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:56,190 a bright red jacket right into your brain. That's 1057 01:10:56,190 --> 01:10:59,130 right. had to take him we're not No, we're gonna do this value 1058 01:10:59,130 --> 01:11:02,190 block splits just to get me away from the mind control. It's 1059 01:11:02,190 --> 01:11:03,840 wrong show max wrong show. 1060 01:11:04,050 --> 01:11:09,240 But I liked it though. Of course, the drag me. I was right 1061 01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:13,800 on board as I Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. But thank you, Dave 1062 01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:20,040 Jackson. Yeah. Joshua Britton gave us $50. no note from 1063 01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:25,200 Joshua. I can't find one. Thank you very much, Joshua. Well, no, 1064 01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:28,260 no, no. That was completely wrong. I do have a note from 1065 01:11:28,260 --> 01:11:33,330 Joshua. I get my papers backwards. Okay. Joshua did 1066 01:11:33,330 --> 01:11:38,280 write us a note. He addresses it to the members of the board. Oh, 1067 01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:43,620 no. Pay attention. today. After hearing that episode 81 of Brett 1068 01:11:43,620 --> 01:11:47,190 Weinstein's Dark Horse podcast was removed from YouTube. I 1069 01:11:47,190 --> 01:11:51,840 didn't hear about that. Yes, as Doug was talking sense, okay. 1070 01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:55,200 I'm not sure I know. I've heard this name a bunch wants to Bret 1071 01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:56,400 Weinstein, but I don't know who it is. 1072 01:11:56,429 --> 01:12:00,209 Well, he was the guy at Western University who got run out of 1073 01:12:00,209 --> 01:12:03,929 the university because he refused to go away on blacks 1074 01:12:03,929 --> 01:12:09,659 only day. And, and so he and his wife Heather, who's also a 1075 01:12:09,659 --> 01:12:14,879 professor, Doctor, whatever, they do a very, it's very 1076 01:12:14,879 --> 01:12:17,909 intellectual. But they do get to the root of a lot of things. And 1077 01:12:17,909 --> 01:12:22,799 so here he was talking about, he's a evil evolution, no 1078 01:12:22,829 --> 01:12:28,259 biologists, professors. He does understand stuff like virology. 1079 01:12:28,679 --> 01:12:31,019 And so he had another guy on they were talking about 1080 01:12:31,619 --> 01:12:35,069 ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. Oh, no. So 1081 01:12:35,069 --> 01:12:38,549 that had to be removed from YouTube. Now, is he the guy they 1082 01:12:38,549 --> 01:12:43,799 get run out of clubhouse? Yes, yes. Yeah. He's a little 1083 01:12:43,799 --> 01:12:48,839 pretentious. He and his wife and they talk like this, like, Well, 1084 01:12:48,839 --> 01:12:51,929 you know, obviously is this is how it goes in biology. Right. 1085 01:12:52,169 --> 01:13:01,049 And I was right when I was that I have such a little tolerance 1086 01:13:01,049 --> 01:13:04,709 for that. In Okay, well, there's an audience Dave, there's an 1087 01:13:04,709 --> 01:13:05,039 audience. 1088 01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:10,560 He was removed from YouTube, as he predicted as I decided to 1089 01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:14,010 grab a copy of the mp3 on my computer. First, I googled the 1090 01:13:14,010 --> 01:13:18,120 podcast. First results Apple podcast, dead end. Second 1091 01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:22,680 result, his website, as selected episodes featured and note, full 1092 01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:25,410 episodes are available on YouTube, or on your favorite 1093 01:13:25,410 --> 01:13:29,280 podcast app. Sure, I could use everyone's favorite command line 1094 01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:32,520 program, YouTube, YouTube dl and rip the audio out of the video. 1095 01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:34,890 But unfortunately, unfortunately, what brought me 1096 01:13:34,890 --> 01:13:38,760 here was the deletion from YouTube itself. Finally, Google, 1097 01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:42,930 Dark Horse podcast URL. And pod bean was kind enough to provide 1098 01:13:42,930 --> 01:13:47,250 me the link to the RSS. Out of curiosity. I plugged the Dark 1099 01:13:47,250 --> 01:13:50,340 Horse into podcast indexes search, and of course it pops 1100 01:13:50,340 --> 01:13:56,250 right up and eventually even a clickable copy URL button. Thank 1101 01:13:56,250 --> 01:14:01,830 you, CSB. Yes, is presented. It amazes me the links to which 1102 01:14:01,860 --> 01:14:05,790 walled gardens and perpich are perpetuated by the podcasters 1103 01:14:05,790 --> 01:14:10,980 themselves. Thank you for your service to the community. If I 1104 01:14:10,980 --> 01:14:14,400 could ask, what happens when a centralized shit coin like hive 1105 01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:16,530 goes to put is the infrastructure. 1106 01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:22,290 Exactly what you'd expect. That's exactly what you'd 1107 01:14:22,290 --> 01:14:25,770 expect. In that case, we have to fork said shit coin into 1108 01:14:25,890 --> 01:14:29,640 shittier shit coin and run our own shitty shit version of that 1109 01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:34,560 shit coin. But yeah, it seems pretty good. I don't think 1110 01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:37,380 people are really making money off of the hive. I think it 1111 01:14:37,380 --> 01:14:41,910 seems like it's more of a token than a coin is my feeling. 1112 01:14:42,450 --> 01:14:45,690 The answer, Josh is we have a plan. Yeah, well, we have a 1113 01:14:45,690 --> 01:14:48,840 plan. There you go. We don't know what it is yet. But we have 1114 01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:49,140 a play. 1115 01:14:49,290 --> 01:14:52,110 I saw a number of people tweeting Brett Weinstein saying 1116 01:14:52,140 --> 01:14:57,660 bro value for value streaming SATs, by the way if Yes, go 1117 01:14:57,660 --> 01:14:57,930 ahead and 1118 01:14:57,930 --> 01:15:00,450 but he probably won't do it because I agree. with Josh 1119 01:15:00,450 --> 01:15:03,480 Bregman here, he says, It amazes me the lengths to which walled 1120 01:15:03,480 --> 01:15:06,120 gardens are perpetuated by the podcasters themselves. 1121 01:15:07,650 --> 01:15:11,250 to ourselves, that's right. Sell for my emulation or something 1122 01:15:11,250 --> 01:15:15,270 like that. Yeah, whatever they call it thing. By the way, if 1123 01:15:15,270 --> 01:15:19,050 you're listening to these notes and thinking crap, I should have 1124 01:15:19,050 --> 01:15:21,390 donated what kind of heel am I? 1125 01:15:21,870 --> 01:15:25,800 Here's your cue to boost. You know you want to 1126 01:15:26,250 --> 01:15:29,970 There you go. Just boost us. Just as happy with that. We'll 1127 01:15:29,970 --> 01:15:33,300 take your SATs. Thank you very much for supporting podcasting 1128 01:15:33,300 --> 01:15:33,810 2.0 1129 01:15:36,150 --> 01:15:38,760 is the infrastructure for the pod ping import easily 1130 01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:42,510 translatable to another platform like Bitcoin? No, not to 1131 01:15:42,510 --> 01:15:49,590 Bitcoin. But our plan is, if the hive ever goes belly up, we will 1132 01:15:49,590 --> 01:15:52,950 fork it and run our own hive. Yep. And we'll be good to go. 1133 01:15:53,310 --> 01:15:56,700 That's exactly what I said. When I used the word shit many times. 1134 01:15:57,000 --> 01:16:00,930 Yeah. And some and M self-immolation. We set yourself 1135 01:16:00,930 --> 01:16:05,160 on fire. Yes, I believe so. Yeah, let's not do that. Okay. 1136 01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:09,270 Three cheers for the Bitcoin taproot soft fork activation. 1137 01:16:11,130 --> 01:16:13,710 That's a set of set of words that will drive the audience 1138 01:16:13,710 --> 01:16:17,610 away. Well, it is kind of cool. It is that the taproot does 1139 01:16:17,610 --> 01:16:21,810 Yeah, it's really well I loved how the consensus worked. You 1140 01:16:21,810 --> 01:16:24,750 know, where miners would signal if they were taproot ready and 1141 01:16:24,780 --> 01:16:27,420 where they have to get 75% Is that how it works? And you get 1142 01:16:27,420 --> 01:16:30,420 kind of the soft fork and then everyone's doing 1143 01:16:30,420 --> 01:16:33,330 it is locked in now for was it November? I think? 1144 01:16:34,530 --> 01:16:38,850 Yes, yes, I think it is. I love that. I just love the whole, the 1145 01:16:38,850 --> 01:16:42,750 whole community angle of that how we came to consensus and, 1146 01:16:43,230 --> 01:16:46,320 and we're going to implement it and I know, and I understand 1147 01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:49,050 some of the technical. Of course, this will all be 1148 01:16:49,050 --> 01:16:50,910 misinterpreted. Gods. Let's talk about 1149 01:16:53,250 --> 01:16:57,780 that. It's like you can keep once once the consensus is 1150 01:16:57,780 --> 01:17:00,990 reached, you can keep on doing the old the old system without 1151 01:17:00,990 --> 01:17:03,000 it if you want to, but then you're trading a different coin. 1152 01:17:03,030 --> 01:17:08,580 Yeah, so there's that. There's that. Three cheers for tip for 1153 01:17:08,580 --> 01:17:12,300 taproot. Software deactivation. Hopefully both lightning and own 1154 01:17:12,300 --> 01:17:18,540 chain privacy will benefit. Yes. Our CPS our 56k dial up modem 1155 01:17:18,540 --> 01:17:20,220 sounds available for my diffract. 1156 01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:28,170 Well, let me just detune it. No, I think that's still 1200 I'm 1157 01:17:28,170 --> 01:17:32,640 sorry. Oh, yes, yes. 1200. That's too fast. My first modem 1158 01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:36,390 that I built myself was 75 baud. 1159 01:17:37,020 --> 01:17:41,040 God Almighty. Yeah. You could just run you could just drive it 1160 01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:45,180 down the street, right sheet of paper and run it down the road. 1161 01:17:45,420 --> 01:17:48,270 It was just connected to my buddy, he had the same and we 1162 01:17:48,300 --> 01:17:52,050 just ripped apart a couple of phones. So we put the cradle 1163 01:17:52,890 --> 01:17:56,940 took out the microphone part and the hearing part. And we just 1164 01:17:56,940 --> 01:18:01,740 reverse that and put like little cardboard boxes, and I had this 1165 01:18:01,770 --> 01:18:05,520 Sinclair ZX 80. So I'd press a couple keys, and then they would 1166 01:18:05,580 --> 01:18:07,980 appear on his monitor and then back and forth. 1167 01:18:08,730 --> 01:18:13,440 And you could do we can do one word at every four minutes, 1168 01:18:13,440 --> 01:18:18,840 right? Pretty much Well, this is also the days when the BBC Radio 1169 01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:23,730 would broadcast computer programs. Once a week. Yeah, you 1170 01:18:23,730 --> 01:18:26,970 mentioned once a week, I think eight o'clock or eight o'clock. 1171 01:18:27,660 --> 01:18:34,410 UK time. Yeah. And you get your cassette recorder ready for the 1172 01:18:34,440 --> 01:18:38,520 acorn computer, but they also did it for the ZX 80 which I had 1173 01:18:38,910 --> 01:18:42,150 and the ZX 81 and I think they might have done some stuff for 1174 01:18:42,150 --> 01:18:47,670 the Commodore VIC 20, maybe even the 64 it was very exciting. 1175 01:18:48,480 --> 01:18:52,890 I had the cassette Loader for the for the Commodore 64 and I 1176 01:18:52,890 --> 01:18:56,790 remember you had to think to get you had to hit you had to hit 1177 01:18:56,790 --> 01:19:00,930 play first and then you had to hit load. Load Astra has come a 1178 01:19:00,930 --> 01:19:06,060 common one. To load no no's comma eight comma two I forgot 1179 01:19:06,060 --> 01:19:09,030 what the command was but you had to you had to do it in the right 1180 01:19:09,030 --> 01:19:09,630 sequence. 1181 01:19:10,410 --> 01:19:15,870 Love that stuff. I still have my trs 100 no ever seen that one? 1182 01:19:15,870 --> 01:19:20,100 It's the laptop with an LCD display and it has I think it 1183 01:19:20,100 --> 01:19:25,680 has a 12 line display and it runs on double A batteries. Trs 1184 01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:29,130 was that the RadioShack one? Yeah, you should just look at it 1185 01:19:29,130 --> 01:19:34,680 you have to see this trs 100 just do a quick terrorist one. I 1186 01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:38,100 also have I have the acoustic modem on all of this inbox by 1187 01:19:38,100 --> 01:19:45,420 the way. Whoa, yeah. Trs 100 Wow. Oh, there it is. Here is at 1188 01:19:45,420 --> 01:19:50,010 model 100. No, no, no, the TRS one. Model 100 portable 1189 01:19:50,010 --> 01:19:50,640 computer. 1190 01:19:50,910 --> 01:19:56,160 Yeah. 3230. Yeah. 32 lines. Yeah, with a real nice keyboard. 1191 01:19:56,640 --> 01:20:00,210 And it's got the screen built right in a keyboard. Mm hmm. So 1192 01:20:00,210 --> 01:20:02,070 that's new in the box. Yeah, 1193 01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:05,970 well it's not new I've used it's got the box then yeah and I have 1194 01:20:05,970 --> 01:20:11,160 that handsome leatherette carry in case you start auctioning 1195 01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:14,850 your stuff like the boy No, no, I mean you turn it on you can 1196 01:20:14,850 --> 01:20:18,810 still do basic and you know it has a little memory slots where 1197 01:20:18,810 --> 01:20:21,570 you save stuff and had a bill at this I think this also had a 1198 01:20:21,570 --> 01:20:24,180 built in modem yes this had a built in modem. 1199 01:20:25,260 --> 01:20:28,860 Oh, did it have so you're doing basic did have peek and poke? 1200 01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:34,710 Of course that was how you put it on the screen, baby. Yes, 1201 01:20:34,710 --> 01:20:38,070 yes. peeking poke my favorite. I knew some of those numbers by 1202 01:20:38,070 --> 01:20:42,450 heart. Oh, yeah. Did they inject injected right into this right 1203 01:20:42,450 --> 01:20:45,540 onto the screen right to the pixel? Yeah. And it wouldn't go 1204 01:20:45,540 --> 01:20:48,990 away until you reboot it. You had to know you had to read. Hi. 1205 01:20:48,990 --> 01:20:51,990 I forgot how you did it. To clear it or something. Yeah. 1206 01:20:52,350 --> 01:20:54,690 Clear the buffer. Good time. 1207 01:20:56,400 --> 01:21:01,530 Francis will willette give us $50 and he's thank you note 1208 01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:05,640 note. No, no note other than saying that he heard about us on 1209 01:21:05,670 --> 01:21:08,130 on Matt cast. Oh, Adam Christiansen. 1210 01:21:08,219 --> 01:21:12,239 Oh, beautiful. Thank you. I love how it works. The clip we didn't 1211 01:21:12,239 --> 01:21:14,609 play. Yeah, we'll play. I'll chop it up. 1212 01:21:16,290 --> 01:21:21,330 He gave us lots of love. So thank you, Francis, and our 1213 01:21:21,330 --> 01:21:26,580 monthly donors. 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Thank you. 1225 01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:26,640 Thomas Sullivan, Jr, son of son, Thomas Sullivan senior gave us 1226 01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:33,600 $5 a month, David would find gives $3. And Jason defilippo 1227 01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:37,080 gave us $20. And that's our group. 1228 01:22:37,140 --> 01:22:43,500 Well, thank you all so much. You are supporting the preservation 1229 01:22:43,500 --> 01:22:46,590 of podcasting as a platform for free speech and retooling before 1230 01:22:46,590 --> 01:22:50,130 your very eyes into a platform of value that everybody benefits 1231 01:22:50,130 --> 01:22:52,710 from, or can if they want to, 1232 01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:54,960 and YouTube and launch a lightning node that you won't be 1233 01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:56,010 able to use for two days. 1234 01:22:57,060 --> 01:22:59,880 We're not putting you in charge of promotion today, this week. 1235 01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:03,450 If you want to give us cup bucks, we do accept them. And 1236 01:23:03,450 --> 01:23:06,420 you heard a nice list there. And thank you so much for that go to 1237 01:23:06,420 --> 01:23:09,300 podcast index.org. Down at the bottom, you'll see a big red 1238 01:23:09,300 --> 01:23:12,030 Donate button, hit that and you can pay with a credit card, 1239 01:23:12,030 --> 01:23:16,590 debit card, PayPal, etc. As you know, I don't think it'd be very 1240 01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:21,090 too long from now before PayPal also has a lightning option. 1241 01:23:22,410 --> 01:23:25,590 Thanks. So yeah, of course, it'd be crazy not to they can still 1242 01:23:25,590 --> 01:23:29,130 take their fees. It's all about the fees, man. It's all about 1243 01:23:29,130 --> 01:23:32,670 the fees, except when it comes to micro payment podcasting. And 1244 01:23:32,820 --> 01:23:35,100 the fees get in the way man they get in the way. 1245 01:23:35,700 --> 01:23:41,970 Or they don't understand why square or excuse me cash app 1246 01:23:41,970 --> 01:23:44,790 does not do lightning yet. It must have something to do with 1247 01:23:44,820 --> 01:23:45,990 just being still in beta. 1248 01:23:48,810 --> 01:23:53,880 I thought you could I thought you could send a receive SATs 1249 01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:57,000 through an invoice or something. And they probably wait they're 1250 01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:58,950 gonna roll this out in Twitter. I mean, they're gonna do 1251 01:23:58,950 --> 01:24:01,830 something with lightning and Twitter is Dorsey has already 1252 01:24:01,830 --> 01:24:06,060 alluded to it when I don't know exactly. But that seems like an 1253 01:24:06,060 --> 01:24:11,670 obvious fit. Yeah, what? So you'd want to have cash app 1254 01:24:11,670 --> 01:24:17,460 Twitter, you know that combo. Now they still by me, I learned 1255 01:24:17,460 --> 01:24:24,810 so much even the you know, the strike, that they're actually 1256 01:24:25,050 --> 01:24:31,170 using stable coins to send payments outside of their own 1257 01:24:31,170 --> 01:24:32,430 network to 1258 01:24:33,750 --> 01:24:38,970 like Venezuela, or El Salvador. This whole article I read about 1259 01:24:38,970 --> 01:24:40,050 how they're actually doing it. 1260 01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:45,000 Are you are you this may be the same article that I've got right 1261 01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:47,760 here that I was going to talk about. The one this about 1262 01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:54,810 Bitcoin legal tender laws may be different but that so here let 1263 01:24:54,810 --> 01:24:58,110 me let me read this to you. Because I was I don't think 1264 01:24:58,110 --> 01:25:03,960 people understand maybe That's a pretentious thing to say. Some 1265 01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:08,580 people may not understand that what it means to be legal 1266 01:25:08,580 --> 01:25:12,570 tender, that doesn't mean just that the government won't get on 1267 01:25:12,570 --> 01:25:17,760 your back when you win legal tender means not that you can 1268 01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:24,360 accept payment, but you must, by force of law accept payment in 1269 01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:31,380 this currency. So like you legal tender means that the government 1270 01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:37,140 mandates that you accept this particular form of currency as 1271 01:25:37,140 --> 01:25:40,440 payment for goods and services, you don't have a choice not to 1272 01:25:40,440 --> 01:25:43,740 correct and then in this case, unless technologically it can 1273 01:25:43,740 --> 01:25:47,430 absolutely not be done for some amount of time, whatever. Right? 1274 01:25:47,730 --> 01:25:51,420 So this is a really good article It is called is from Bitcoin 1275 01:25:51,420 --> 01:25:55,860 magazine is called Bitcoin legal tender laws. And this is the 1276 01:25:55,860 --> 01:25:57,870 part that was interesting to me. And this goes along with what 1277 01:25:57,870 --> 01:26:03,780 you're saying. Let's see. an impromptu interview with Bill 1278 01:26:03,780 --> 01:26:07,080 Kelly, it was revealed that the citizens of El Salvador will 1279 01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:11,070 have to will have open access to an official government wallet 1280 01:26:11,430 --> 01:26:15,300 designed by strike that will allow receivers to instantly and 1281 01:26:15,300 --> 01:26:18,990 automatically convert encrypted incoming Bitcoin into dollars, 1282 01:26:19,350 --> 01:26:21,990 if they don't want to take on the risk of holding an asset as 1283 01:26:21,990 --> 01:26:25,650 volatile as Bitcoin. This is what stripe does best, turning 1284 01:26:25,650 --> 01:26:28,650 Bitcoin into a payment rail that users don't have to think about. 1285 01:26:29,100 --> 01:26:33,000 The El Salvador government is sending up a $150 million Trust 1286 01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:36,660 Fund with the Central Bank of El Salvador, and anyone who 1287 01:26:36,660 --> 01:26:39,420 converts their Bitcoin to dollars with the official wallet 1288 01:26:39,420 --> 01:26:42,270 is essentially selling their Bitcoin to the trust fund. 1289 01:26:44,190 --> 01:26:47,910 Yes, know that. Yes. And it's actually tether that's involved. 1290 01:26:48,540 --> 01:26:54,240 And so this article that I was reading from David Gerard, who 1291 01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:59,880 is obviously a lightning network hater, and maybe a Bitcoin hater 1292 01:26:59,880 --> 01:27:05,520 in general, but he, he says, well, the title of the article 1293 01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:08,580 and I love reading, I mean, I love reading stuff that goes 1294 01:27:08,580 --> 01:27:13,380 against what I think it enlightens me. El Salvador pass 1295 01:27:13,380 --> 01:27:16,230 passes its Bitcoin law, and it's a tether scam as the title of 1296 01:27:16,230 --> 01:27:20,640 the article, I put this in the that's a great, which, by the 1297 01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:23,910 way, has nothing to do because of course, you know, El Salvador 1298 01:27:23,940 --> 01:27:27,930 is, you know, people have been using wallets and lightning 1299 01:27:27,930 --> 01:27:31,080 wallets and you know that this kind of stuff for a long time, 1300 01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:37,950 it really has no bearing on this story, other than in the context 1301 01:27:37,980 --> 01:27:43,800 of wise and cash app, doing SATs. So there are actually some 1302 01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:46,590 reasons I just put this in the show notes. Now, let me go down 1303 01:27:46,590 --> 01:27:52,140 to the bottom here. JACK Mahler's explains jack Mahler's 1304 01:27:52,140 --> 01:27:57,930 from strike explained how the actual flow works. Oops, we go. 1305 01:27:58,860 --> 01:28:01,890 When I initiate a $1,000 payments, strike debit to my 1306 01:28:01,890 --> 01:28:06,840 existing USD balance strike then automatically converts my $1,000 1307 01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:10,770 to bitcoins ready for use in its infrastructure. Using his real 1308 01:28:10,770 --> 01:28:13,770 time automated risk management and trading infrastructure. 1309 01:28:14,130 --> 01:28:17,850 Strike then moves the bitcoins across the Gulf of Mexico, where 1310 01:28:17,850 --> 01:28:20,310 it arrives in our Central American infrastructure in less 1311 01:28:20,310 --> 01:28:24,330 than a second and for no cost. Strike then takes the bitcoins 1312 01:28:24,450 --> 01:28:28,740 and automatically converts them back into USD t that's tether 1313 01:28:29,190 --> 01:28:32,370 using its real time automated risk management and trading 1314 01:28:32,370 --> 01:28:36,060 infrastructure strike then credits the existing user with 1315 01:28:36,060 --> 01:28:41,010 the USD t to their strike account to their getting tether. 1316 01:28:44,130 --> 01:28:53,010 Oh, and this is because what strike wallet is doing, it's 1317 01:28:53,010 --> 01:28:56,790 it's really hard at this moment on the lightning network to have 1318 01:28:56,790 --> 01:29:00,750 huge channels open and payments were just not happening. So the 1319 01:29:00,750 --> 01:29:05,040 main, they have a lot of, you know, big funded liquid stuff 1320 01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:10,950 inside their network. And, and they certainly have channels, 1321 01:29:10,950 --> 01:29:13,170 you know, because we know it works because we're getting 1322 01:29:13,230 --> 01:29:19,080 lightning payments. But with this El Salvador deal, there's 1323 01:29:19,230 --> 01:29:23,340 there's conversion into tether, which just seems like huh. 1324 01:29:24,690 --> 01:29:29,790 That's, that's new information. In fact, I'm not sure what to 1325 01:29:29,790 --> 01:29:30,360 think about that. 1326 01:29:30,570 --> 01:29:33,510 Well, what this what this article boils down to in which 1327 01:29:33,660 --> 01:29:39,300 I, I hope it's not true, but I thought was interesting. was, 1328 01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:42,660 you know, this is basically there's $150 million that El 1329 01:29:42,660 --> 01:29:47,130 Salvador has set up as their fund, you know, to convert 1330 01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:53,040 Bitcoin payments into into dollars that people can then 1331 01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:59,130 access locally. And this David Gerard guy says, what's likely 1332 01:29:59,130 --> 01:30:02,850 happening is That 100 and $50 million will be transferred, 1333 01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:09,000 transferred to Silicon Valley people and strike and the people 1334 01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:14,130 of El Salvador get together. I don't know how that's not just a 1335 01:30:14,130 --> 01:30:16,980 couple of jumps there that I'm not so sure if that's exactly 1336 01:30:16,980 --> 01:30:21,870 true. I really hope that's not true. But that stands apart from 1337 01:30:21,870 --> 01:30:24,720 the legal tender story. That's the story. Yeah, how strike is 1338 01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:28,650 involved is less interesting. But it's, it's not easy. And 1339 01:30:28,650 --> 01:30:32,910 that's the bottom line, the I just did a half a million 1340 01:30:32,910 --> 01:30:37,200 Satoshi rebalance. So that means that I squirt it out through our 1341 01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:42,240 channel through through lm PE, and I send it to a blue wallet. 1342 01:30:43,950 --> 01:30:47,250 And then, you know, I send it back. And so now I'm relying on 1343 01:30:47,250 --> 01:30:50,940 blue wallet and ln hub, I think or whatever the hell is 1344 01:30:50,940 --> 01:30:55,470 connected to. I'm just relying on that to be able to find a 1345 01:30:55,470 --> 01:31:00,000 pathway to send half a million satoshis. And yeah, I think it 1346 01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:03,720 cost 1200 satoshis to route it, and it went through all the big 1347 01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:06,690 infrastructure and it got there no problem, but you know, pretty 1348 01:31:06,690 --> 01:31:07,230 high fee. 1349 01:31:07,860 --> 01:31:13,650 Yeah. Well, that's it. So that's why you need you know, that's, 1350 01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:16,320 that's why the onboarding of this is probably going to be 1351 01:31:16,350 --> 01:31:20,430 custodial. Yeah. For like, you know, for value for value 1352 01:31:20,430 --> 01:31:23,820 podcasting is there's going to have to be a custodial component 1353 01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:29,220 for the you know, for the jeans, Mom, because that's, nobody even 1354 01:31:29,220 --> 01:31:33,870 understands what you just said. And that, you know, like, by the 1355 01:31:33,870 --> 01:31:36,990 way, way, chicks dig it that they don't 1356 01:31:36,990 --> 01:31:40,890 exist. They do, Tina's like, Hi, yeah, talk to talk SAS to me, 1357 01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:43,830 how's your channel? How much you got? How big is your channel? Do 1358 01:31:43,830 --> 01:31:44,700 you have a wambo? 1359 01:31:49,980 --> 01:31:55,320 one bowl channel talk. That is, look at that guy get a damn, 1360 01:31:55,320 --> 01:31:59,280 he's got a wambo. That is not a way to get a date that wambo is 1361 01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:02,130 the Lambo of the lightning network. If you keep talking 1362 01:32:02,130 --> 01:32:09,660 like this, we're gonna get picked up by Spotify. Okay, I'll 1363 01:32:09,660 --> 01:32:10,110 stop. 1364 01:32:11,610 --> 01:32:19,650 There. Now that that's, that's more concerning. I hope that 1365 01:32:19,650 --> 01:32:23,040 that is not true, honestly. Because, I mean, 1366 01:32:23,070 --> 01:32:26,340 I wrote that last bit is just, it's just a conclusion that this 1367 01:32:26,340 --> 01:32:29,130 guy Drew, but the tether thing I believe that's real. I think 1368 01:32:29,130 --> 01:32:31,890 that there's however they put that deal together. 1369 01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:34,950 But why would you do so that tells me if you did something 1370 01:32:34,950 --> 01:32:37,890 like that, if that's the actually the case, that tells me 1371 01:32:37,890 --> 01:32:43,440 that they were not confident enough in lightning itself to 1372 01:32:43,440 --> 01:32:48,060 handle that volume of funds. That means so that may be one of 1373 01:32:48,060 --> 01:32:52,050 the answers, the reasons? Sure. Okay, so then maybe later at 1374 01:32:52,050 --> 01:32:56,580 some other point, like down the line, they say, Okay, well, 1375 01:32:56,580 --> 01:33:00,510 lightning has proven stable enough now. And now it's got now 1376 01:33:00,510 --> 01:33:03,060 we have automatic multi pathing. And now we have these, you know, 1377 01:33:04,290 --> 01:33:08,310 it's basically in a weird way. It's a custodial versus non 1378 01:33:08,310 --> 01:33:12,420 custodial. If, you know, the, the whole point of this is that 1379 01:33:12,420 --> 01:33:16,080 people can receive Bitcoin and immediately turn it around and 1380 01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:20,850 get us dollars for it through the central bank through this 1381 01:33:20,850 --> 01:33:24,420 $150 million provision, which of course, should grow over time, 1382 01:33:24,420 --> 01:33:28,200 and it should all be automatic, without the price fluctuation. 1383 01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:32,340 So they're guaranteeing the volatility difference that when 1384 01:33:32,340 --> 01:33:34,860 you say, Okay, I just received it, I want the money. They'll 1385 01:33:34,860 --> 01:33:37,680 take it right away. And they'll they'll take the risk on the 10 1386 01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:41,670 minute price difference. Yeah, that's basically what it is. And 1387 01:33:41,670 --> 01:33:45,240 so doing that with Cather is definitely a valid solution. It 1388 01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:48,000 was just surprising. Does that mean that this is a scam to 1389 01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:51,300 steal that money? Seems like a lot of work to steal $150 1390 01:33:51,300 --> 01:33:54,480 million? Considering what's at stake. You know, I was like, 1391 01:33:54,510 --> 01:33:54,990 come on. 1392 01:33:55,380 --> 01:33:58,320 Yeah, you can it's I mean, in Silicon Valley, you can get $150 1393 01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:00,870 million by falling down in the wrong spot just by putting 1394 01:34:00,870 --> 01:34:05,430 blockchain in your name. podcast blockchain. Yeah. I mean, 100 50 1395 01:34:05,430 --> 01:34:13,620 million. That's an accident. Oh, I dropped it. Yeah, now, that 1396 01:34:13,620 --> 01:34:15,330 makes me think that is probably not that 1397 01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:23,970 to two other topics to hit or just points, by the way. One is 1398 01:34:24,450 --> 01:34:27,960 wallet withdrawals from the podcast app. Someone contacted 1399 01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:31,680 me, I think through podcasting, next on social or podcast, 1400 01:34:31,770 --> 01:34:38,460 podcast is your TV, the mastodon, and said, You know, I 1401 01:34:38,460 --> 01:34:41,160 can't seem to withdraw from any of these wallets. I said, you 1402 01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:43,500 know, no one's ever asked for it. It's kind of the way you 1403 01:34:43,500 --> 01:34:46,980 withdraw is by playing a podcast. And he said, Yeah, but 1404 01:34:46,980 --> 01:34:49,530 you know, when I'm doing stuff, I may want to put some in, move 1405 01:34:49,530 --> 01:34:53,520 it out. He says, it's kind of a generally accepted thing that 1406 01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:56,250 you have an in and out and I thought it was a valid point. So 1407 01:34:56,250 --> 01:34:57,150 I'm just bringing it up. 1408 01:34:57,450 --> 01:35:00,720 Not Cridland talked about it. He couldn't Get his stuff out of 1409 01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:02,370 Sphinx. He's had all kinds 1410 01:35:02,370 --> 01:35:07,050 of trouble swings has withdrawl is just broken. Or in his case. 1411 01:35:07,620 --> 01:35:10,920 Yeah. And then he and then he called swings breeze which Whoa. 1412 01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:15,720 Yeah, now that's not breeze raises raises top notch the 1413 01:35:16,350 --> 01:35:20,970 experience that'll nothing seems broken on Brees. See. I don't I 1414 01:35:20,970 --> 01:35:23,490 don't bet. I mean, I know he's been talking about it for a 1415 01:35:23,490 --> 01:35:26,070 while. He's like, I got a bunch of acid I just kind of locked 1416 01:35:26,070 --> 01:35:26,400 up, 1417 01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:31,140 right. But this is more like pod friend, Curio, Curio cast or pod 1418 01:35:31,140 --> 01:35:36,240 station, you know, all all the apps, even airline pay based 1419 01:35:36,300 --> 01:35:41,250 wallets to just be able to send that somewhere else. So you 1420 01:35:41,250 --> 01:35:45,090 generate a QR code to get in should also be able to 1421 01:35:46,050 --> 01:35:51,420 understand how to take either a QR code or an invoice to send it 1422 01:35:51,420 --> 01:36:00,990 out. What How would you do that? Well, the same way wallets work. 1423 01:36:00,990 --> 01:36:06,420 So you add funds or if you want to take them out, then you put 1424 01:36:06,420 --> 01:36:09,000 you paste an invoice from the from the app that you're that 1425 01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:11,730 you're withdrawing it from redrawing it to 1426 01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:15,330 Yeah, but I'm saying like, okay, so I'm maybe misunderstanding I 1427 01:36:15,330 --> 01:36:17,160 was assuming that what they were saying when they're talking 1428 01:36:17,160 --> 01:36:19,080 about getting it out was that they were going back, they 1429 01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:20,250 wanted to get back to Fiat? 1430 01:36:20,940 --> 01:36:25,320 No, no, no, just as transferred to a different wallet. Oh, okay. 1431 01:36:25,320 --> 01:36:29,100 So I have no, I have wallets in every single app. And let's say 1432 01:36:29,100 --> 01:36:33,540 I have a little more embryos for a number of reasons. And so I'll 1433 01:36:33,540 --> 01:36:36,270 put that in a different one. And now I'm using this app. And 1434 01:36:36,420 --> 01:36:39,840 yeah, it can be adjusted. I mean, I can keep adding from my 1435 01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:43,530 own personal stuff. Or I could take it out of that one and put 1436 01:36:43,530 --> 01:36:46,080 it in that one. And you can't do that with any of the other apps. 1437 01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:48,690 So it's really inter inter walled inter lightning wallet, 1438 01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:54,390 withdraw what I'm talking about. It's not something I need at 1439 01:36:54,390 --> 01:36:56,190 all. But it came on when 1440 01:36:56,190 --> 01:36:59,820 I was a valid point. Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, it would be 1441 01:37:00,300 --> 01:37:03,810 trivial for me. No, of course it was. Yeah, of course. Yeah. I 1442 01:37:03,810 --> 01:37:05,070 will tell you ARCA. Yeah, 1443 01:37:05,070 --> 01:37:07,470 I think Martin said he had already thought of it and on the 1444 01:37:07,470 --> 01:37:12,270 list, but you know, Martin's getting married. We lost we lost 1445 01:37:12,270 --> 01:37:13,230 him to the to the woman. 1446 01:37:14,520 --> 01:37:18,150 Mark Martin used to be a friend of ours. 1447 01:37:18,180 --> 01:37:22,170 Yeah, no, no, now now he's got a woman. He's obviously under her 1448 01:37:22,170 --> 01:37:28,860 spell. He can't code anymore. Buying a house by the way. I'll 1449 01:37:28,860 --> 01:37:33,750 tell you that alone. Dude, I get that we're right. We're right in 1450 01:37:33,750 --> 01:37:38,160 the middle. We are literally houseless right now. No, we're 1451 01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:40,710 what we don't own a breaking your own house yet. Somebody 1452 01:37:40,710 --> 01:37:43,290 else right. This is very Yeah, we were renting it from the new 1453 01:37:43,290 --> 01:37:50,430 owner. Exactly. So well, if last night we said why don't we just 1454 01:37:50,580 --> 01:37:54,240 cancel that other one pay off the fee and we'll go on a world 1455 01:37:54,240 --> 01:37:59,040 tour and buy a yurt somewhere there your team is like Yeah, 1456 01:37:59,040 --> 01:38:04,170 no. Am I exactly that's a Tina doesn't seem like the year type. 1457 01:38:04,230 --> 01:38:12,120 Oh, she used Oh, dude, she's she's born born in Indiana. And 1458 01:38:12,330 --> 01:38:18,810 were you there and and you know and made her made her path in 1459 01:38:18,810 --> 01:38:23,940 Chicago. not take it back. She is clearly she is the material 1460 01:38:23,940 --> 01:38:28,230 she is the American dream. She can no mad like anybody. Yeah, 1461 01:38:28,230 --> 01:38:32,550 no problem. Now she's and she packs very tight. Yeah, extreme. 1462 01:38:32,580 --> 01:38:34,860 That's why she's called the keeper and because of she pet. 1463 01:38:34,860 --> 01:38:37,860 She can pack both of us into a carry on suitcase for a week. 1464 01:38:39,180 --> 01:38:41,100 That like Marie Kondo Plus, 1465 01:38:41,850 --> 01:38:46,950 I don't think I've taken a checked bag on a flight in 10 1466 01:38:46,950 --> 01:38:49,470 years. Yeah, like yeah, 1467 01:38:50,190 --> 01:38:53,760 I'm always usually I have checked baggage because I got 1468 01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:59,370 the I. What I take on board is the studio. He said you had two 1469 01:38:59,490 --> 01:39:03,450 things. Yeah, I have the I have a camera shoulder bag which will 1470 01:39:03,450 --> 01:39:11,220 contain the M audio device microphone, back candling. Wall 1471 01:39:11,220 --> 01:39:16,530 warts although there's much less then I have a roller bag and in 1472 01:39:16,530 --> 01:39:24,090 the roller bag goes. The MIDI controller mixer, the two 1473 01:39:24,090 --> 01:39:28,590 screens because I have foldable portable screens also put the 1474 01:39:28,590 --> 01:39:31,980 laptop in that so I really have everything and the only thing 1475 01:39:31,980 --> 01:39:36,120 that goes in check baggage studio wise is the mic boom. I 1476 01:39:36,120 --> 01:39:40,350 carry that to do they look at that thing and just like what oh 1477 01:39:40,350 --> 01:39:43,950 my god. You know how many times my that the bag with the 1478 01:39:43,980 --> 01:39:48,030 shoulder. The camera bag has been open, uncountable. They 1479 01:39:48,030 --> 01:39:52,950 have to repack it all. And then I discovered pretty early on. 1480 01:39:53,400 --> 01:39:56,520 It's best to take the microphone out separately. It has its own 1481 01:39:56,520 --> 01:39:59,970 little leather case. That's the thing they always want to see 1482 01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:03,090 Because they think they're gonna humiliate you with some sex toy? 1483 01:40:03,630 --> 01:40:08,430 No, they think is a vibrator. Yep. No, yeah. Yeah. I always 1484 01:40:08,430 --> 01:40:14,490 say ball Careful, don't turn it on. I do evaluate who I'm saying 1485 01:40:14,490 --> 01:40:18,870 it to some of them don't think that's very funny. The second 1486 01:40:18,930 --> 01:40:23,010 thing I wanted to say here at the end is very excited to see 1487 01:40:23,010 --> 01:40:29,130 the Curio caster breeze video integration getting started. 1488 01:40:29,940 --> 01:40:33,180 Yeah, I've got some work to do on that. So I'm in API mode 1489 01:40:33,180 --> 01:40:37,380 right now, come back to that. I know. And I got, I had to 1490 01:40:37,530 --> 01:40:42,810 initially get some stuff with the recent feed. API endpoint 1491 01:40:42,990 --> 01:40:47,880 finished. And I'm letting that vache john Spurlock is testing 1492 01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:53,130 it, Mitch, is gonna be looking at it. And if and if it looks 1493 01:40:53,130 --> 01:40:56,040 good, we may just transition things to that I'm not gonna 1494 01:40:56,040 --> 01:40:59,250 take those other inputs away. But I may just start using that 1495 01:40:59,250 --> 01:41:05,040 when what it's doing is it is delivering feed recent feeds and 1496 01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:10,230 recent episodes in the same result. So it's called recent 1497 01:41:10,230 --> 01:41:15,480 data. And Steven Crowder, it's not, this is not documented yet. 1498 01:41:15,480 --> 01:41:18,540 So don't, because it's not stable. So don't don't good. 1499 01:41:18,810 --> 01:41:21,390 Steven jumps on Steven documents, all the things that I 1500 01:41:21,390 --> 01:41:26,370 throw out there and don't document. So don't do that. It 1501 01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:29,190 you can just call the recent data endpoint and it'll give you 1502 01:41:29,190 --> 01:41:32,820 back recent feeds in recent episodes in one in one shot 1503 01:41:32,820 --> 01:41:33,180 nice, 1504 01:41:33,210 --> 01:41:36,780 even if they have just recently or what's recent time based or 1505 01:41:37,110 --> 01:41:40,080 Yeah, time based, you have a sense it you can you can say 1506 01:41:41,190 --> 01:41:45,180 recent data since and either give it a timestamp from some 1507 01:41:45,210 --> 01:41:48,210 moment in the past, or a negative number, which 1508 01:41:48,210 --> 01:41:55,050 represents now minus that many seconds is pal. Cool. Yeah. So 1509 01:41:55,080 --> 01:41:59,880 that's fairly simple. So I mean, I'm doing I've done that, and 1510 01:41:59,910 --> 01:42:04,200 that was mostly finished. But then right now I'm working on 1511 01:42:04,200 --> 01:42:07,770 search. And I've got two things to fix on search Asian character 1512 01:42:07,770 --> 01:42:14,790 support. And which is complicated, isn't there? Isn't 1513 01:42:14,790 --> 01:42:15,570 there some kind of 1514 01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:20,700 rule against that? I mean, like a blacklist. whitelist. Yet, you 1515 01:42:20,700 --> 01:42:25,050 can't say Asian character. It shouldn't be characters of Asian 1516 01:42:25,080 --> 01:42:25,740 descent. 1517 01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:35,010 characterizations? Yes, yes. Yeah. No, you, you. You can't 1518 01:42:35,010 --> 01:42:37,320 call it oriental characters. Oh, no, 1519 01:42:37,320 --> 01:42:38,100 no, that's 1520 01:42:39,420 --> 01:42:44,160 bad Asian characters, or I think that's still valid. Well, let 1521 01:42:44,160 --> 01:42:49,170 the last list i saw i think that's okay. So Asian character 1522 01:42:49,170 --> 01:42:53,430 support and I don't even know what what is oriental even mean? 1523 01:42:53,490 --> 01:42:55,620 Do you know what that even means? It's the same as a 1524 01:42:55,620 --> 01:43:00,600 derogatory phrase, same as China man. Like just an old 1525 01:43:00,600 --> 01:43:03,750 derogatory, of course, is probably British. 1526 01:43:06,210 --> 01:43:08,490 100% 100% British. 1527 01:43:10,710 --> 01:43:14,190 So, the agent care support I've got to do that first. And then 1528 01:43:14,190 --> 01:43:21,930 second one was directors like x accent marks. So when you you 1529 01:43:21,930 --> 01:43:24,810 know in France you're searching for you know, I'm going to 1530 01:43:25,170 --> 01:43:32,400 boxall as a graph or Exxon Egu or like sauce you complex? What 1531 01:43:32,430 --> 01:43:37,440 would you just say? accent so you have a circumflex yeah 1532 01:43:37,440 --> 01:43:39,210 circumflex yeah as the roof 1533 01:43:39,720 --> 01:43:44,700 Yeah, so if you were if you were to search for get get your song 1534 01:43:45,210 --> 01:43:45,900 you would 1535 01:43:45,990 --> 01:43:48,480 Oh, you got a little fire and little question mark there under 1536 01:43:48,480 --> 01:43:53,940 the Sinan What do you call that thing? A seek a C question mark. 1537 01:43:54,240 --> 01:43:59,220 Yeah, it's I forget what that's called. It is it's a tale it's 1538 01:43:59,220 --> 01:44:02,850 like a test not see where the tail 1539 01:44:03,630 --> 01:44:09,300 is the CSC with a tail. You want you want gasoline to match. See 1540 01:44:09,300 --> 01:44:16,980 what the tail and regular see. So no. difference. Yeah. So that 1541 01:44:17,010 --> 01:44:19,860 I got to do that. So those I said you lost a deal. 1542 01:44:20,940 --> 01:44:27,090 What do you say deal is the see. See? all the detail? Yeah, let's 1543 01:44:27,150 --> 01:44:30,630 deal. Okay, so that's like when Cridland calls it said incident 1544 01:44:30,630 --> 01:44:32,640 is the Yeah. 1545 01:44:33,660 --> 01:44:37,020 I kind of have to agree with the Zed thing, although I never do 1546 01:44:37,020 --> 01:44:41,790 it myself. Oh, really? Yeah, there's no I'm not a Zed guy. 1547 01:44:41,790 --> 01:44:46,080 But once you get into saying, I mean, I'm an aviation guy. So 1548 01:44:46,080 --> 01:44:47,670 it's always gonna be Zulu for me. 1549 01:44:48,300 --> 01:44:53,490 Do you do you also put cross like a cross bar on your sevens? 1550 01:44:53,700 --> 01:44:58,740 Yes, I do. Well, I grew up you I was I was in Dutch school from 1551 01:44:58,740 --> 01:45:02,790 the fifth grade on so My eights are weird. Minor, they look 1552 01:45:02,790 --> 01:45:08,100 like, Oh, I'd have to draw it for you. But you go like that. 1553 01:45:08,490 --> 01:45:10,830 Look, my wife goes What the hell is that? 1554 01:45:10,860 --> 01:45:13,260 This isn't it doesn't look like a sub. It doesn't look like a 1555 01:45:13,260 --> 01:45:16,110 vertical infinity symbol. It does, but 1556 01:45:16,110 --> 01:45:24,240 it closes weirdly. Okay, let me see. It's the that and the what 1557 01:45:24,240 --> 01:45:27,450 was the other character? We're just talking about? The z, or 1558 01:45:27,450 --> 01:45:30,870 the Zelda seven seven with a line through it? Yeah, yes. 1559 01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:36,060 Yeah, I think those are the main ones. But the eight is a is a 1560 01:45:36,060 --> 01:45:39,330 big deal. I mean, I have horrible handwriting as it is. I 1561 01:45:39,330 --> 01:45:43,650 have no hand control. Basically, when writing I have great hand 1562 01:45:43,650 --> 01:45:50,040 speed reaction. I can type but I forgot what we were even talking 1563 01:45:50,040 --> 01:45:55,530 about. About the Oriental Chinaman character support. No, 1564 01:45:55,530 --> 01:46:04,530 no, no. There's you brought up something about API to breeze 1565 01:46:04,530 --> 01:46:09,720 the breeze video Curio caster integrate Oh, stop soon. Okay, 1566 01:46:09,750 --> 01:46:10,080 guys. 1567 01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:15,210 Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, so anyway, APR stuff, search stuff, 1568 01:46:15,810 --> 01:46:19,410 the part of the API thing is going to be that part because 1569 01:46:19,410 --> 01:46:25,230 what Steven B needs in this will benefit everyone. Everybody 1570 01:46:25,230 --> 01:46:29,640 needs this is a way to say, Get for all for these endpoints, I 1571 01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:34,170 only want to see audio or only want to see video, blah, blah, 1572 01:46:34,170 --> 01:46:38,910 blah, that that is important is actually a little bit of a 1573 01:46:38,910 --> 01:46:43,710 challenge. Because there's so many different MIME types, they 1574 01:46:43,710 --> 01:46:47,490 can they can be interpreted to that. Yes, it's my it's mine 1575 01:46:47,490 --> 01:46:51,900 types and extensions, because sometimes momstart non types, 1576 01:46:52,110 --> 01:46:55,410 sometimes you'll get an mp4, but it will be the MIME type will be 1577 01:46:55,410 --> 01:46:59,160 application slash binary binary. So it's just garbage like that. 1578 01:46:59,160 --> 01:47:04,740 So I need to, I have not, it's funny, because I did not, that 1579 01:47:04,740 --> 01:47:10,560 is the one thing I regret about the NFA items table, which is 1580 01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:15,300 the episodes table that I did not index properly. I did not 1581 01:47:15,330 --> 01:47:22,140 index the the type the media type properly. And I regret it 1582 01:47:22,140 --> 01:47:26,520 now, because of that table has 70 million rows into apply a new 1583 01:47:26,520 --> 01:47:31,410 index is going to be a big lift. So anyway, so 1584 01:47:32,670 --> 01:47:36,540 just understand that. So whatever you do, you've got 1585 01:47:36,540 --> 01:47:40,800 something really big that has to reindex. And could be it would 1586 01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:43,470 take two hours for this thing to reindex. Okay, does that mean 1587 01:47:43,470 --> 01:47:45,420 the whole database is down for two hours? I 1588 01:47:46,170 --> 01:47:51,330 don't think so. Because it's a very simple structure. I think I 1589 01:47:51,330 --> 01:47:55,140 can do an in place index add on it, and it would not lock the 1590 01:47:55,140 --> 01:47:58,590 database. So I don't think anything would be down. But I'm 1591 01:47:58,590 --> 01:48:04,290 not 100% Sure. My sequel is very weird with indexes. Some, it's a 1592 01:48:04,290 --> 01:48:06,480 little bit unintuitive, sometimes when it's going to 1593 01:48:06,480 --> 01:48:10,200 lock and when it's not. So what I have to do is load. I've got a 1594 01:48:10,200 --> 01:48:12,900 dev environment, and I'm going to update that dev environment 1595 01:48:12,900 --> 01:48:15,120 with the newest freshest database and then do it over 1596 01:48:15,120 --> 01:48:19,950 there. And check it in. If it all runs fine. I'm going. The 1597 01:48:19,950 --> 01:48:26,490 other problem with doing in place index is that it will 1598 01:48:26,550 --> 01:48:30,840 you'll end up with duplicate key collisions, even if there's not 1599 01:48:30,840 --> 01:48:36,090 any. And so a lot of times you really even if you don't if it 1600 01:48:36,090 --> 01:48:39,900 doesn't lock, if you're doing in place, you have to really just 1601 01:48:39,900 --> 01:48:45,750 stop all rights to the database. So I may have to shut all the 1602 01:48:45,750 --> 01:48:49,200 aggregators down for like two hours even regard regardless of 1603 01:48:49,200 --> 01:48:52,560 whether the weather, so there wouldn't be any new items for 1604 01:48:52,590 --> 01:48:55,950 for a couple hours. It's gonna be a pain in the butt. And that 1605 01:48:55,950 --> 01:49:00,600 was some of the sexiest sequel talk I've heard in a long time. 1606 01:49:00,600 --> 01:49:04,830 Dave. You had me. You had me at lock. I mean, 1607 01:49:04,830 --> 01:49:09,300 seriously, here's your cue to booth. You know, you want to. 1608 01:49:10,260 --> 01:49:12,690 And you need to talk about locking the database. I mean, 1609 01:49:12,690 --> 01:49:15,930 you had you had all my trigger words in there. It was 1610 01:49:15,930 --> 01:49:18,840 beautiful. Thank you. I know. I know. There's at least three 1611 01:49:18,840 --> 01:49:20,670 people going. Yeah. All right. 1612 01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:25,950 There's only three pause. All right. Do you have anything for 1613 01:49:25,950 --> 01:49:27,570 the for the end of the show here? 1614 01:49:27,929 --> 01:49:31,529 No, I got nothing. No, I meant there was an ad there was an ISO 1615 01:49:31,559 --> 01:49:32,219 you won't play that. I 1616 01:49:32,220 --> 01:49:41,910 Oh, sure. Let me see. All right, boom. All right. Is this Are we 1617 01:49:41,910 --> 01:49:44,460 not doing end of show? ISOs? Because it's certainly worthy of 1618 01:49:44,460 --> 01:49:49,350 it. Yeah, I think we should do that. Yeah. All right. Hey, man, 1619 01:49:49,560 --> 01:49:52,620 it was great talking to you. As usual. Thanks to all the unsung 1620 01:49:52,620 --> 01:49:55,380 heroes who are really doing all the work. We just do a podcast. 1621 01:49:58,920 --> 01:50:01,650 Buddy, have a good one. Take care. 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