1 00:00:00,539 --> 00:00:12,659 podcasting 2.04 main 2018 2021 Episode 39 licensed to kill. I 2 00:00:12,659 --> 00:00:17,699 love my Fridays. I'm sure all of you knew that just because it's 3 00:00:17,699 --> 00:00:20,489 Friday and we got the weekend coming up but it is time once 4 00:00:20,489 --> 00:00:23,639 again for the weekly board meeting of podcasting. 2.0 5 00:00:23,639 --> 00:00:27,299 everything going on in podcast index.org and the mastodon 6 00:00:27,629 --> 00:00:31,319 podcast index doc social. Hello, everybody. I'm Adam Curry here 7 00:00:31,319 --> 00:00:35,279 in Austin, Texas and in Alabama, the man who closes GitHub issues 8 00:00:35,279 --> 00:00:39,179 faster than any human being my friend on the other end. Game 9 00:00:39,209 --> 00:00:40,199 Jones. 10 00:00:43,740 --> 00:00:44,760 Hey, yo, dawg. 11 00:00:48,090 --> 00:00:53,760 The weirdest week Really? can ever imagine. Like, I'm serious. 12 00:00:53,790 --> 00:00:58,320 I'm serious. This is a this is one for the record books. 13 00:00:58,350 --> 00:01:01,590 Well, what happens? I didn't see anything special. Well, I kept 14 00:01:01,590 --> 00:01:04,920 it to myself. I kept it mostly to myself. Okay. Well, thanks 15 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:12,780 for sharing in advance. Yeah, sure. Well, on a say I started 16 00:01:13,980 --> 00:01:15,780 sheet rocking this room. 17 00:01:15,810 --> 00:01:20,790 Oh, here we go. Here we go. Yes. I have noticed on a couple of 18 00:01:20,790 --> 00:01:23,400 calls. I saw some of the sheet rocking it's, it's it is. 19 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:28,620 Yes, we let me set the stage here. We live in a house that 20 00:01:28,620 --> 00:01:34,830 was built in 1892. So it's an old one. It's got all the 21 00:01:34,830 --> 00:01:37,860 typical stuff you could you could imagine from a house that 22 00:01:37,860 --> 00:01:42,090 old and it was sort of taken care of before we got it like 23 00:01:42,090 --> 00:01:45,240 just sort of carried forward a little bit. So we get we get in 24 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,520 here. There was lots of stuff wrong with it. We had to just 25 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,870 start doing lots of renovation. The what we've been doing is 26 00:01:51,870 --> 00:01:57,000 going room by room and just sort of going you know, got a room. 27 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,720 Put it back together all that kind of stuff. Oh boy. Yeah. So 28 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:05,460 the hallway where I podcast from is the current project and has 29 00:02:05,460 --> 00:02:08,220 been we started it like right around the time Coronavirus, 30 00:02:08,220 --> 00:02:11,970 hit, which completely threw everything off schedule. And 31 00:02:12,270 --> 00:02:15,930 started podcasting. People know which theory of things screwed 32 00:02:15,930 --> 00:02:21,630 your life up. Yeah. So like I've been podcasting from this. You 33 00:02:21,630 --> 00:02:26,850 know, like horror show looking? How hallway that looks like a 34 00:02:26,850 --> 00:02:31,770 dungeon for you know about me at the beginning? Well, so I 35 00:02:31,770 --> 00:02:35,280 started sheet rocking it on Sunday, and making some 36 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:40,470 progress. Well, then, we started smelling something. like the 37 00:02:40,470 --> 00:02:44,160 smell it smelled like a dead animal. Oh, in the wall. Yeah. 38 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:49,380 And I couldn't find it. And so we could, like it kept getting a 39 00:02:49,380 --> 00:02:51,090 little bit stronger, a little bit stronger. And we were like, 40 00:02:51,420 --> 00:02:54,690 there's gotta be a dead animal around here somewhere. We spent 41 00:02:54,780 --> 00:03:02,010 I spent, like, two hours trying to find this Monday night. Well, 42 00:03:02,910 --> 00:03:05,970 my daughter, she's like, Hey, don't you have an infrared 43 00:03:05,970 --> 00:03:09,480 camera? Like the little you can like plug it like a FLIR and you 44 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,000 can plug it into your is a module you plug into the 45 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,910 lightning port on your iPhone. And it'll it'll Yeah, it's 46 00:03:14,940 --> 00:03:18,870 really cool. I mean, it was not for your for your Proctor ology 47 00:03:18,870 --> 00:03:25,020 home exam. It's where it's a moonlight as a former CIA agent. 48 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:29,820 Okay. So that is my night vision. So she was like, you 49 00:03:29,820 --> 00:03:33,420 know, that's a great idea. I got it originally to find insulation 50 00:03:33,420 --> 00:03:36,330 problems in our house. Because this house has like, no 51 00:03:36,330 --> 00:03:41,280 insulation. Yeah. And so I bought this thing. And I forgot 52 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,070 i'd heading and I was like, that's a fantastic idea. So I go 53 00:03:44,070 --> 00:03:47,220 get it, and start looking at the walls to see if there's any sort 54 00:03:47,220 --> 00:03:50,670 of heat signature or something in the wall of a dead end like 55 00:03:50,670 --> 00:03:59,250 CSI Dave's house. Yeah, exactly. Enhance. dum dum. So, I aimed at 56 00:03:59,250 --> 00:04:04,770 the signaling in our master bedroom. And it's not a mouse. 57 00:04:04,860 --> 00:04:10,410 It's much bigger. Oh my god. Yeah. And so I'm like, Oh my 58 00:04:10,410 --> 00:04:18,690 god, Melissa, that may be like a red hat. Oh. And so then, by 59 00:04:18,690 --> 00:04:23,520 Tuesday, it was like raking in, I said, I'm gonna have to get, 60 00:04:23,850 --> 00:04:27,210 I'm gonna have to take off work. So I took the day off Wednesday. 61 00:04:27,660 --> 00:04:31,470 So like, Tuesday at lunch when we were doing that lightning 62 00:04:31,470 --> 00:04:35,310 round table, and I was on the zoom meeting. That's why I was 63 00:04:35,310 --> 00:04:40,710 very quiet. It was I was I was. I was hunting through the house 64 00:04:40,710 --> 00:04:44,580 trying to find this animal. Well, then, Wednesday, I was 65 00:04:44,580 --> 00:04:49,260 again on the second lightning round table. And I was all I was 66 00:04:49,260 --> 00:04:53,610 listening to the roundtable session up on top of a ladder, 67 00:04:53,790 --> 00:04:56,790 cutting a hole in our ceiling with this also and trying not to 68 00:04:56,790 --> 00:04:59,010 have a dead animal fall out of it on top of men. 69 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:09,270 What did it turn out to be? It was a possum. Oh. Boost. You 70 00:05:09,270 --> 00:05:13,110 want to that's right time to boost story like that deserves a 71 00:05:13,110 --> 00:05:20,010 boost. Jennifer it's good to hear that want to get away here 72 00:05:20,010 --> 00:05:24,390 completely cleansed so good. Here's your cue to boost you 73 00:05:24,390 --> 00:05:31,620 know you want to do now. Okay, do you want to see it? Do you 74 00:05:31,620 --> 00:05:34,830 want to see what came out of my ceiling? Oh, is that the picture 75 00:05:34,830 --> 00:05:37,860 that you said do not open which I did not do I'm very good at 76 00:05:38,250 --> 00:05:41,940 things. Okay if you if you're if you dare open it. 77 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:46,890 I'm gonna put it in the show notes. Oh, okay. Double click 78 00:05:46,980 --> 00:05:47,310 right. 79 00:05:49,980 --> 00:05:52,650 Yes. Okay. 80 00:05:54,510 --> 00:05:56,820 How big is this thing? Oh, you can see this picture. 81 00:05:58,110 --> 00:06:00,840 Oh, here we go. Oh. 82 00:06:03,510 --> 00:06:11,370 Oh, man. Ah, it's completely deteriorated. Oh, 83 00:06:11,399 --> 00:06:13,889 if you ever see it, you know, it was basically like a john 84 00:06:13,889 --> 00:06:18,869 Carpenter movie. I mean, it was this. It was like a blob of goo 85 00:06:18,869 --> 00:06:23,009 with a skeleton of a possum floating in the middle of it was 86 00:06:23,399 --> 00:06:25,919 the worst thing that I've ever experienced. 87 00:06:26,820 --> 00:06:30,750 I bet you just retching over that. Oh my god. It was awful. 88 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,530 So smell I can smell it just looking at I'm closing this out. 89 00:06:34,530 --> 00:06:38,940 She meant for Dred Scott. Please do not put that as chapter rep 90 00:06:38,940 --> 00:06:41,910 Scott. I will never have any putting it into the show notes 91 00:06:41,910 --> 00:06:44,520 as we speak. So you do whatever you want. 92 00:06:45,779 --> 00:06:50,309 That that thing came out of my bedroom ceiling. And so we've 93 00:06:50,309 --> 00:06:55,289 had a crap man we've had a fan running in our window I guess. 94 00:06:55,889 --> 00:07:00,269 Clean and stuff and get all I had to cut out like three feet 95 00:07:00,269 --> 00:07:05,639 of our ceiling. Just to get the all the goo out. Delos off. I 96 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,820 just want to reiterate dread definitely put this into chapter 97 00:07:08,820 --> 00:07:13,200 art man. You have to come on. That's what that that's what we 98 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:17,820 built this shit for man. Come on. This is great. That's 99 00:07:17,850 --> 00:07:22,440 finally finally a use case for chapter art. This is the worst 100 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:29,400 use case. Yeah. Oh, that's so nasty. See? Gosh. 101 00:07:29,550 --> 00:07:33,630 All right. So that's, that's that's the story. And like, as 102 00:07:33,630 --> 00:07:39,630 the whole time? What was so it was almost What do you call it 103 00:07:39,630 --> 00:07:43,020 like a like this? It was like a trippy experience. Because I'm 104 00:07:43,020 --> 00:07:46,020 up on the ladder. And we have hot, we have tall ceilings like 105 00:07:46,020 --> 00:07:50,970 they're 11 and a half feet. So up on top of the ceiling, with 106 00:07:50,970 --> 00:07:54,600 the saws all cutting out the seat, cutting it out and trying 107 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:59,640 to make sure that bits of animal goo fall into the trash bag and 108 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:07,350 not on me. Yeah. And the whole time. I've got like Ben Shapiro 109 00:08:07,380 --> 00:08:12,870 on on crack on the lightning round table. All right, trying 110 00:08:12,870 --> 00:08:17,400 to understand what he say and what we'll get into this. But we 111 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,950 just need to mention that he already mentioned to twice there 112 00:08:19,950 --> 00:08:22,740 was a lightning labs Roundtable, two of them one where they 113 00:08:22,740 --> 00:08:26,220 presented the roadmap. And they brought in developers people 114 00:08:26,220 --> 00:08:29,790 with projects, and probably about 80 people on on the zoom 115 00:08:29,790 --> 00:08:32,130 call. And then they had different breakout groups. And 116 00:08:32,130 --> 00:08:37,500 so I think there were 20 or 3035 or so in the group that we were 117 00:08:37,500 --> 00:08:41,040 in which I'm not sure exactly what it was, what the 118 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,940 qualifications were, but Roy was in there from breeze and a 119 00:08:44,940 --> 00:08:48,570 number of other people. And in both cases, the CTO of lightning 120 00:08:48,570 --> 00:08:53,520 labs, whose handle on GitHub is roast beef, blue Lau, and I'm 121 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:57,720 not sure where he's from music from Nigeria. I got no idea. 122 00:08:57,750 --> 00:09:00,180 It's gonna I'm gonna embarrass myself. But anyways, 123 00:09:00,330 --> 00:09:03,900 it doesn't clearly the smartest person that's ever existed in 124 00:09:03,900 --> 00:09:05,070 the history of humanity. 125 00:09:05,580 --> 00:09:08,370 Well, and that's, that that's just it. It's, it's really 126 00:09:08,370 --> 00:09:13,110 interesting, because he talks so fast. In fact, on the first day, 127 00:09:13,140 --> 00:09:16,350 I mean, I had never heard the guy speak and he starts and then 128 00:09:16,350 --> 00:09:20,940 just the whole zoom erupts with people going Yo, yo, slow down. 129 00:09:21,420 --> 00:09:25,830 And then and then the lightning labs exact comes on says, oh, 130 00:09:25,830 --> 00:09:30,150 pro tip, everybody turn on your captions. And the captions were 131 00:09:30,150 --> 00:09:34,080 at least 30 seconds behind. And it's really funny because I got 132 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,890 a lot of B star star star star like, you know, clearly 133 00:09:37,890 --> 00:09:42,150 understood bitch, but it was but it wasn't he never said that. So 134 00:09:42,150 --> 00:09:45,150 and I'm really I've lived around the world and I can I can 135 00:09:45,150 --> 00:09:48,450 understand people speak English with all kinds of accents. I'm 136 00:09:48,450 --> 00:09:52,080 really good at it. This was hard. This was really really 137 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:58,680 hard. And to be fair, I didn't like it. It kind of it's like 138 00:09:58,710 --> 00:10:02,730 dude Because the IRS I think the response is exactly what you 139 00:10:02,730 --> 00:10:06,180 gave. He must be the smartest person in the world. I think if 140 00:10:06,180 --> 00:10:09,660 he slowed down a hair, I'd still think he was the smartest guy in 141 00:10:09,660 --> 00:10:12,660 the world. He's very young. Yeah, he's in his mid 20s or 142 00:10:12,660 --> 00:10:14,040 something. He's extremely young. 143 00:10:14,730 --> 00:10:19,320 I kept trying to explain to my wife how fast this guy talks. I 144 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,660 didn't know that you could actually do that, you 145 00:10:21,660 --> 00:10:25,290 know, walked in on day two, because I told her, but then on 146 00:10:25,290 --> 00:10:27,810 day one, I'm like, Yeah, what the hell dude? Is there a 147 00:10:27,810 --> 00:10:30,600 recording available? We got to play this, no one will believe 148 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:35,640 it. I know it was recorded. No one will believe it. No one will 149 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,280 believe that there's any human being who speaks this fast. 150 00:10:38,879 --> 00:10:41,489 And she kept thinking I was exaggerating. And I finally 151 00:10:41,489 --> 00:10:44,399 showed her a YouTube video of an old thing where he was like a 152 00:10:44,399 --> 00:10:47,459 guest on something. And her mouth fell open. She was like, 153 00:10:47,669 --> 00:10:53,009 whoa. That was like, it's like being at a cattle auction. Like 154 00:10:53,039 --> 00:10:56,189 they believed everybody rapinoe that. You know that super fast 155 00:10:56,189 --> 00:11:06,479 talk. Oh, my God. That thing? Oh, sec. Yeah, go ahead. He's, 156 00:11:06,539 --> 00:11:09,839 he's clearly I mean, he's clearly like, smarter than fit, 157 00:11:09,839 --> 00:11:13,289 you know, then 75 people I know put together wrapped up into one 158 00:11:13,289 --> 00:11:15,599 human being well, so here we go. I was like, Well, 159 00:11:15,870 --> 00:11:18,990 here we go. Hold on. I got I got an old video yet. Yeah. Good old 160 00:11:18,990 --> 00:11:24,780 older video. Let's see what this is. I get him on traditional 161 00:11:24,780 --> 00:11:28,200 tools, writing ecosystem, back and forth a lot easier now to 162 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,540 like, make it easier. What's going on? That's really 163 00:11:30,570 --> 00:11:33,360 necessarily recording Hold on. No, yeah, that's terrible. 164 00:11:33,810 --> 00:11:38,700 recording. Yeah, that. Oh, this is him just talking to someone 165 00:11:38,700 --> 00:11:39,930 else. That should be interesting. 166 00:11:40,620 --> 00:11:44,700 We said we're going to do this thing. And you can't. Exactly 167 00:11:44,700 --> 00:11:46,740 Yes. I mean, that's that's markup I, you know, you can't 168 00:11:46,740 --> 00:11:49,050 like compel someone to do something. Otherwise, you're 169 00:11:49,170 --> 00:11:51,660 actually written in the chain itself. This is actually quite 170 00:11:51,660 --> 00:11:51,930 slow. 171 00:11:53,310 --> 00:11:55,710 You know, in order to, like, get onto like the basics of layer 172 00:11:55,710 --> 00:11:58,080 two, you basically have one block in production right. Now, 173 00:11:58,080 --> 00:11:59,910 the thing is that, like, you know, you don't necessarily need 174 00:11:59,910 --> 00:12:02,430 to ever go back, right, because I've had channels open for the 175 00:12:02,430 --> 00:12:02,970 past, but it's 176 00:12:02,970 --> 00:12:07,650 not so bad. Actually. It's really tame. It's when he is 177 00:12:07,650 --> 00:12:11,640 when he's presenting. When it just goes off the rails. Yeah, 178 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,400 this is just a speeded up, speeded up to like one point. 179 00:12:14,850 --> 00:12:18,840 Yeah, yeah. Anyway. And you're in the ballpark? Yeah, it was 180 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:23,610 really bizarre. And but I don't think that's good. Personally, I 181 00:12:23,610 --> 00:12:27,360 just don't, he clearly has the ability to speak slower, because 182 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,270 we just heard it. That's reasonable. Let's, anyway, I 183 00:12:30,270 --> 00:12:33,810 don't want to bitch and moan about it. I was quite happy that 184 00:12:33,810 --> 00:12:41,040 they invited us. And I learned a lot, actually, a lot. I did a I 185 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:46,710 did a podcast girl. I learned a lot. So. So I, we were, you 186 00:12:46,710 --> 00:12:51,810 know, able to ask questions. And the first thing I said, well not 187 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,360 necessarily quite introduced myself, because they definitely 188 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,270 know who we are. They know what street is all a lot of streaming 189 00:12:57,270 --> 00:13:03,540 SATs, and Adam Curry's crew. A lot of that going on. 190 00:13:05,310 --> 00:13:05,820 But 191 00:13:08,070 --> 00:13:10,950 I said, Look, I just want to point some things out about the 192 00:13:10,950 --> 00:13:14,070 network that we're seeing. It really sucks from I didn't say 193 00:13:14,070 --> 00:13:17,010 sucks. But it's it's very difficult for microtransactions, 194 00:13:17,010 --> 00:13:20,550 because of if you have all this great conductivity, and you've 195 00:13:20,550 --> 00:13:23,700 got big channels open to all the big boys, you're paying real 196 00:13:23,700 --> 00:13:27,300 fees. And even if they're smaller players, if the fees are 197 00:13:27,300 --> 00:13:34,230 too high for for, you know, a one set transaction. And the 198 00:13:34,230 --> 00:13:37,050 answer that he basically gave was, well, don't worry about it, 199 00:13:37,050 --> 00:13:40,110 people will spend more like, okay, so he doesn't. And I don't 200 00:13:40,110 --> 00:13:44,100 know if he exactly knows how micro transactions are very 201 00:13:44,100 --> 00:13:46,980 micro, the micro is of micro. But I heard from a couple other 202 00:13:46,980 --> 00:13:48,840 participants who knew because I said, All right, well, we'll 203 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,910 just continue to build our own little connections. And we'll 204 00:13:50,910 --> 00:13:53,490 try and keep our own fees low and connect directly to each 205 00:13:53,490 --> 00:13:55,410 other. And I heard from a number of participants, they said that 206 00:13:55,410 --> 00:13:57,750 was actually that, you know, this is that's the way to go. 207 00:13:57,750 --> 00:14:01,470 That's a smart thing to do to build a zero fee network, if you 208 00:14:01,470 --> 00:14:07,560 can. Yes. And then I, I was allowed to ask the stupid 209 00:14:07,560 --> 00:14:09,750 question, which no one could answer was, how do we get a 210 00:14:09,750 --> 00:14:13,860 connect to wallet. And, of course, a lot of people roll 211 00:14:13,860 --> 00:14:17,310 their eyes, but what came out of it was something extremely 212 00:14:17,310 --> 00:14:22,770 useful for us. And that is web ln. And now web ln is I'd say 213 00:14:22,770 --> 00:14:25,440 it's kind of a hobby project. It's it's not really being 214 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:33,510 maintained. But it's also going to get rolled up into into lnd 215 00:14:33,750 --> 00:14:37,320 as they're moving towards controlling lnd through the web. 216 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,250 And so there's a number of things that do that. Now, Joule 217 00:14:41,250 --> 00:14:46,080 is one Jao ueli and that's a Chrome extension. And I think 218 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,200 lnd will basically come out with their own version of that or 219 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:53,250 whatever and so but you still have to have a node to connect 220 00:14:53,250 --> 00:14:59,340 to to do that. Then as I'm kind of and you know, and is no key 221 00:14:59,340 --> 00:15:05,010 set until the A web ln works is you have a call to if you have a 222 00:15:05,010 --> 00:15:09,600 web ln compatible browser, which, you know, either baked 223 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,620 into the browser or an extension, it knows to, if you 224 00:15:13,620 --> 00:15:16,920 click on a button, let's say boost button, it's an API call 225 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:22,920 to a web ln back end, which sits on the node. And then it 226 00:15:23,220 --> 00:15:26,790 executes a payment. And it's incredibly powerful. Because 227 00:15:26,790 --> 00:15:30,150 imagine, if you just if your web browser and this is kind of what 228 00:15:30,150 --> 00:15:34,410 brave wanted to do, but if if your web browser had this built 229 00:15:34,410 --> 00:15:38,250 in and your web browser or any web browser you use is connected 230 00:15:38,250 --> 00:15:42,210 to a node somewhere, then you know, anyone can basically ask 231 00:15:42,210 --> 00:15:45,930 for payments, they don't need any anything, anything in the 232 00:15:45,930 --> 00:15:48,390 middle, you know, you can just say, hey, you want to you want 233 00:15:48,390 --> 00:15:52,620 to see this link. up pops a dialog that's all native to the 234 00:15:52,830 --> 00:15:56,160 web and in the browser. So anyone with HTML skills can 235 00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:01,260 basically create something to to get paid. The problem is having 236 00:16:01,260 --> 00:16:06,300 that node off site. And so I was hunting around and I noticed 237 00:16:06,300 --> 00:16:11,250 that the blue wallet has an A web lm browser. And it has a 238 00:16:11,250 --> 00:16:13,290 little example there. Yeah, you got to find that under 239 00:16:13,290 --> 00:16:18,210 marketplace. And yeah, and I learned that that's how all 240 00:16:18,210 --> 00:16:21,630 these marketplace apps really work. Or it's called the LA app 241 00:16:21,630 --> 00:16:26,580 app, la PP browser, the lightning app browser has a 242 00:16:26,580 --> 00:16:30,090 little example page, you can create an invoice that says, 243 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:35,400 hey, you gotta pay this. It can be targeted amount or range. And 244 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,250 lo and behold, you create that page click, you pay it, and you 245 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:42,060 basically just paid yourself through the blue wallet. And I'm 246 00:16:42,060 --> 00:16:45,510 looking at this, I'm going well, wait a minute. Here, we have so 247 00:16:45,510 --> 00:16:50,790 many great web apps, what if we just pull the web apps in? And 248 00:16:51,870 --> 00:16:54,990 then make the payments that way? So instead of connecting to 249 00:16:54,990 --> 00:16:59,580 wallet, it's kind of like an iPhone case that goes around the 250 00:16:59,580 --> 00:17:04,890 web app. That makes sense, like a clear plastic wrapper that 251 00:17:04,980 --> 00:17:08,880 really is just obfuscated from from the experience, because 252 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:12,450 it's a browser. So you open an app, it's really just a browser 253 00:17:12,450 --> 00:17:17,310 page and a wallet. Right? So you have an instant payment 254 00:17:17,310 --> 00:17:20,400 solution. If you add in the key send part. Does that make sense? 255 00:17:21,180 --> 00:17:26,010 Yeah, see me play it back to you. So the web lm port being a 256 00:17:26,010 --> 00:17:31,200 browser function, you would get that you're thinking that you 257 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:35,820 may get that for free. If it's a if it's a native, or excuse me, 258 00:17:35,820 --> 00:17:40,080 if it's a web app, or possibly a progressive web app? 259 00:17:40,230 --> 00:17:43,770 Yes, either one will do. But we're just a web page. I mean, 260 00:17:44,340 --> 00:17:49,080 just a web page. Let's just say I just wanted to have a simple 261 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:53,520 boost functionality. So the this web browser that I'm using that 262 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:57,450 happens to have a wallet tied into it that speaks web ln, it 263 00:17:57,450 --> 00:18:02,400 brings up a page, that pod friend, and I want to hit boost, 264 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:08,070 and I hit the boost. And pod friend makes a call a local call 265 00:18:08,820 --> 00:18:11,130 to the app that it's that it's running in, you know, there's a 266 00:18:11,130 --> 00:18:15,270 little web server I guess, and the API and it says pay this to 267 00:18:15,270 --> 00:18:20,580 this address, and boom, it'll be done. So So then, in principle, 268 00:18:20,700 --> 00:18:26,610 you could load up any app in that browser. Any web app, any 269 00:18:26,610 --> 00:18:31,350 podcast app that that's a web app or progressive web app. And 270 00:18:31,350 --> 00:18:35,130 you can have the logic for the for the per minute satoshis, the 271 00:18:35,130 --> 00:18:39,660 streaming SATs run as well. without a problem, and 272 00:18:39,689 --> 00:18:45,779 everybody wins. And this is and this is going to be part of like 273 00:18:45,809 --> 00:18:48,839 l&d is going to bake this in somehow. It's like a, it's like 274 00:18:48,839 --> 00:18:54,539 a sort of like fourth API interface. Well, so because they 275 00:18:54,539 --> 00:18:58,589 get g RPC and have rest. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, they're 276 00:18:58,590 --> 00:19:00,990 definitely going to build this in and I'm sure it will, you 277 00:19:00,990 --> 00:19:05,340 know, so as key sin is deprecated. Over time, excuse 278 00:19:05,340 --> 00:19:09,900 me, we get an for the static invoices, which is basically the 279 00:19:09,900 --> 00:19:13,320 same. I don't think they'll know what the call may look a little 280 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,110 different, but I don't think it's going to change that much. 281 00:19:16,890 --> 00:19:19,860 So these web hooks will just be built in, that'll be built into 282 00:19:19,860 --> 00:19:24,630 l&d. Then the true magic though, which I heard outside of this 283 00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:29,190 meeting is where it's really going. And that's webassembly. 284 00:19:30,330 --> 00:19:37,560 And webassembly is a project that allows you to run a virtual 285 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:46,260 machine in a browser and there's an active an active project. The 286 00:19:46,260 --> 00:19:50,040 public face of that is simple coin, simple coin, calm that 287 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,400 just email registration, but there's a GitHub and I'll put it 288 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,490 in a GitHub with a medium article really I'll put it in 289 00:19:56,490 --> 00:20:01,410 the show notes and they are baking an entire neutrino node 290 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:05,550 into webassembly. Now there's 291 00:20:06,300 --> 00:20:13,410 less unless that one seems less promising to me just because you 292 00:20:13,410 --> 00:20:19,380 have, like webassembly itself was just a way to compete as a 293 00:20:19,380 --> 00:20:24,330 way to compile JavaScript into native code, right? And so like, 294 00:20:24,420 --> 00:20:27,780 Oh, I don't, I can, there's definitely advantages or speed 295 00:20:27,780 --> 00:20:31,440 advantages. There's, you know, all kinds of things that go with 296 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:36,960 that. But the, the putting the node into the browser, you, you 297 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:41,670 always have this problem of when you, you just lose everything, 298 00:20:41,670 --> 00:20:45,450 you lose all state when you close it, right? I don't know. 299 00:20:46,230 --> 00:20:50,970 Like, it just seems so if the browser if the browser closes in 300 00:20:50,970 --> 00:20:53,880 any way, or the service worker or anything that's feeding it, 301 00:20:54,390 --> 00:20:57,390 like it just seems like it's like you're just toast. It's 302 00:20:57,570 --> 00:21:01,380 just like, ah, rip the rip power cord out of your raspy Blitz or 303 00:21:01,380 --> 00:21:01,740 something. 304 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,990 Um, so that's a lot of what they're working on. And neutrino 305 00:21:06,990 --> 00:21:10,500 is a big part of that. Okay. You know, because of course, you're 306 00:21:10,500 --> 00:21:15,390 not going to have, you know, what is it? How many? What, 600 307 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:25,020 gigabytes of chain data store stored in your browser? I'm not 308 00:21:25,020 --> 00:21:29,280 sure. I'm just thinking now that you. I mean, the reason why NF 309 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:34,170 T's have taken off so big is because of meta mask. The meta 310 00:21:34,170 --> 00:21:36,870 mask is just a browser extension, boom, you can receive 311 00:21:36,900 --> 00:21:39,540 aetherium. And you can now there's a whole different thing 312 00:21:39,540 --> 00:21:42,810 going on with the lightning network because of the graph and 313 00:21:42,810 --> 00:21:45,510 the updating of the channels and all this stuff has to happen. 314 00:21:46,500 --> 00:21:51,330 But I think in practice, it probably would work very similar 315 00:21:51,330 --> 00:21:55,260 to what what breeze does, you know, breeze goes into the 316 00:21:55,260 --> 00:21:58,470 background, it can't do anything, it can't send the F 317 00:21:58,500 --> 00:22:00,330 once you bring into the foreground, then it can do 318 00:22:00,330 --> 00:22:05,250 stuff. Right. So anyway, this may all be which which has some 319 00:22:05,250 --> 00:22:09,150 issues, sometimes totally. Yeah, I mean, all of this shit has 320 00:22:09,150 --> 00:22:12,150 issues. And even as I said in the meeting has had, luckily, 321 00:22:12,690 --> 00:22:15,810 podcast listeners are so delighted by what we're doing 322 00:22:15,810 --> 00:22:19,770 that they're happy to just, you know, pay three sets in fees to 323 00:22:19,770 --> 00:22:22,980 get one set to the podcaster. I said, that's, that's the 324 00:22:22,980 --> 00:22:25,830 beautiful, beautiful thing about it. And I hope they take it. And 325 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:31,140 I think they take us very seriously. And certainly people 326 00:22:31,140 --> 00:22:38,130 in the meeting do. But as I said, this web ln in general, I 327 00:22:38,130 --> 00:22:42,480 think is phenomenal. That should just be your browser. It should 328 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,210 just be your browser. I'm going to get an app and what am I I'm 329 00:22:45,210 --> 00:22:49,590 getting the lightning, wallet browser. And it works just like 330 00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:51,840 a browser does everything. But when you hit something where 331 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,260 someone has a web ln piece in there, boom, you can pay for it. 332 00:22:55,290 --> 00:22:58,710 That's frictionless man. That's the friction part that you know, 333 00:22:58,710 --> 00:23:02,640 it's better than scanning a QR code, which is hard to do on the 334 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:03,600 same device. 335 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,500 No, and then you have you don't even really need to connect a 336 00:23:07,500 --> 00:23:10,920 wallet at that point. Because it's sort of hard. You 337 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:17,340 know, it's your you are connected. Exactly. Now, like 338 00:23:17,340 --> 00:23:19,110 they can't, can you? Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead. 339 00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:19,860 Please, please 340 00:23:19,890 --> 00:23:23,310 finish that train. Well, I was gonna say like, the one thing 341 00:23:23,310 --> 00:23:30,630 that I was not following clearly on was there. He was talking 342 00:23:30,630 --> 00:23:35,910 about, he was at Roy Roy was talking about neutrino. The 343 00:23:35,910 --> 00:23:40,500 Nimroz beef was talking about this ability to have a and I 344 00:23:40,500 --> 00:23:44,760 think this was on Tuesday, talking about the ability that 345 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,220 they're going to try to, they're putting in some functionality to 346 00:23:47,220 --> 00:23:53,430 l&d where you will be able to, to open a channel and get up and 347 00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:55,890 running with no owns on chain transaction. 348 00:23:55,979 --> 00:23:59,549 Yeah, that's the sidecar channels. That's sidecar. Okay, 349 00:23:59,549 --> 00:24:03,569 that's right, that that's something different. I mean, you 350 00:24:03,569 --> 00:24:06,839 still need a node for that. It's what that is, is a way to say 351 00:24:06,839 --> 00:24:10,559 okay, hey, I want to get started with podcasting. And we'd say, 352 00:24:10,829 --> 00:24:17,309 cool, get a node and and we'll open up five channels and really 353 00:24:17,309 --> 00:24:22,019 those channels are we already have them. We're just leasing 354 00:24:22,019 --> 00:24:25,679 them. It's a business thing that we could also give them away we 355 00:24:25,679 --> 00:24:29,009 could do it for free. I mean, but it's it's a way that let's 356 00:24:29,009 --> 00:24:31,889 call it the Deep Freeze channel. So you have a channel already 357 00:24:31,889 --> 00:24:36,689 established, good to go fully funded, all that shit is done. 358 00:24:36,959 --> 00:24:39,959 And you know what you need liquidity instead of this open a 359 00:24:39,959 --> 00:24:43,169 channel to me Okay, opening a channel, hey, I can't find you 360 00:24:43,169 --> 00:24:46,529 on one ml, all this crap. Instead of that. It's just boom, 361 00:24:46,709 --> 00:24:48,479 there's your channel. You're done. 362 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,380 We you've been doing a bunch of channel management try like 363 00:24:52,380 --> 00:24:55,020 stuff on our node to do you want to talk about what you did? 364 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,650 Because you I mean, you've been trying to figure out how best to 365 00:24:58,650 --> 00:25:01,770 rearrange our channels where We have I think you said we have 366 00:25:01,770 --> 00:25:05,160 fewer but bigger channels and some things. I'm still waiting 367 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,730 for Eric to transfer the Bitcoin so I can open up some bigger 368 00:25:08,730 --> 00:25:14,670 channels and close some smaller ones. But he may be busy. I 369 00:25:14,670 --> 00:25:18,030 don't know, it took a while to clear and all we had Well, yeah. 370 00:25:18,030 --> 00:25:20,220 Then your financial institutions? Yeah, there's all 371 00:25:20,220 --> 00:25:27,390 kinds of KYC AML. Yeah. But in general, you're trying to get to 372 00:25:27,390 --> 00:25:30,300 get a, you're following through on that vision to have a sort 373 00:25:30,300 --> 00:25:34,530 of, like, minimal fee or as close to no fee network as Yes, 374 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:39,780 yes, so, so exactly that. Now, the trick is, is to have the 375 00:25:39,780 --> 00:25:43,170 right channels open to the right nodes who are really doing this 376 00:25:43,230 --> 00:25:47,250 type of traffic with us. Because if you show up as a, as a well 377 00:25:47,250 --> 00:25:50,790 funded, and we're not, I mean, we are way underfunded to show 378 00:25:50,790 --> 00:25:53,370 up on any list, you know, although we have all the right 379 00:25:53,370 --> 00:25:57,660 channels, and we have decent balance in the incoming 380 00:25:57,690 --> 00:26:00,840 outcoming. For what we're doing. We're seeing as you know, a 381 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,810 pimple out there and lightning land, don't even show up on the 382 00:26:03,810 --> 00:26:10,650 on the cool analysis tools, which I also bitched about. But 383 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,670 because then, you know, if you, if we don't do it private, which 384 00:26:14,670 --> 00:26:17,160 I don't want to do, then you know, we'll be seen as, Oh, 385 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,470 there's a cheap route. And then you know, people can be pushing 386 00:26:19,470 --> 00:26:22,410 through all this liquidity through two hops in our network, 387 00:26:22,410 --> 00:26:24,660 and it can, you know, can deplete channels and do all 388 00:26:24,660 --> 00:26:28,620 kinds of stuff. So, we may have to go private, but for now, so 389 00:26:28,620 --> 00:26:35,280 as an example, we have ln Pei is really the only channel to 390 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:39,720 breathe, that brings into our ecosystem that is affordable. 391 00:26:40,350 --> 00:26:43,350 All the other routes are through these big players and multiple 392 00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:47,190 hops, who you know, who you can't even open a channel to, 393 00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:51,060 because they demand so much minimum liquidity. And then you 394 00:26:51,060 --> 00:26:54,570 know, then there's five, five sets, five hops or whatever in 395 00:26:54,570 --> 00:26:58,710 between a three set payment. So that's why breeze has to stack 396 00:26:58,710 --> 00:27:02,430 them up for so long. And it's kind of annoying to Ellen pay 397 00:27:02,430 --> 00:27:06,570 has, has a channel and then we have a channel to Ellen pay. And 398 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,840 that one is very active, because it's shuttling basically breeze 399 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:17,220 payments through. And we pass many of those on to Sphinx chat, 400 00:27:17,460 --> 00:27:19,890 as does Ellen pay, it all depends just you know what's 401 00:27:19,890 --> 00:27:23,790 going on. And so that channel is just small. So I wind up, 402 00:27:23,940 --> 00:27:27,060 looping it out, and looping it back in and just move the 403 00:27:27,060 --> 00:27:32,520 liquidity from one side to the other. It's a lot of fun. And I 404 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,220 really enjoyed doing it. I'm learning a lot. So I don't 405 00:27:35,220 --> 00:27:41,430 really have much, much else in the way of an update there. That 406 00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:44,550 we're working on opening a channel directly to breeze, 407 00:27:44,550 --> 00:27:47,730 right? Yes, yeah. And it's just they have a 10 million set 408 00:27:47,850 --> 00:27:51,510 minimum. But I think that'll that'll really help out a lot. 409 00:27:52,890 --> 00:27:56,550 Also, with him just being able to send SATs into our ecosystem, 410 00:27:56,550 --> 00:28:00,780 you know, so we can, we can pass it on to Satoshi streams with no 411 00:28:00,780 --> 00:28:05,970 fee, you know, run. So we don't need to make money. In fact, our 412 00:28:05,970 --> 00:28:08,310 routing is down in general, not quite sure why. 413 00:28:08,370 --> 00:28:12,060 But we've been saying that since day one, basically, that you 414 00:28:12,060 --> 00:28:15,450 know, this is we're gonna try to, we don't need the fees, no 415 00:28:15,450 --> 00:28:17,490 fees. No, we're just wanting to pass traffic. 416 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,700 Yeah, I think network fees are appropriate and great. But and 417 00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:23,880 we may have to look at private channels so that we don't get 418 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:28,200 swamped with with people looking for a cheap route. Yeah, it is 419 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:34,620 possible to do but anyway, this, this idea of a web browser that 420 00:28:34,620 --> 00:28:38,850 just has a wallet, oh my god, what I love that. And so in in 421 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:44,940 blue wallet, it has a web browser, it's just you have to 422 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,720 dig into find out where it is that hold that app is quite 423 00:28:49,140 --> 00:28:52,890 extensive multi SIG wallets has got all kinds of stuff going on. 424 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:59,670 Then I did hear that that might not ever happen on iOS. As they 425 00:28:59,670 --> 00:29:03,390 read as you know, you can't have dynamic pages and all this other 426 00:29:03,390 --> 00:29:06,480 crap, probably the same stuff Martin's running into, they're 427 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:11,490 really clamping down on on you being able to you having an app 428 00:29:11,490 --> 00:29:15,540 that can access content that is undetermined at time of 429 00:29:15,540 --> 00:29:18,270 submission to the App Store. I think that's kind of how it 430 00:29:18,270 --> 00:29:22,020 looks to a browser. We even had that with mastodon apps. 431 00:29:23,370 --> 00:29:28,350 Yeah, I find that to be a little bit of BS, because that, you 432 00:29:28,350 --> 00:29:31,770 know, you can claim that that security in the same way that 433 00:29:31,770 --> 00:29:35,610 they claimed that will 30% from the App Store is also because 434 00:29:35,610 --> 00:29:37,890 we're, you know, we're keeping everything keeping you safe, 435 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,400 keeping you safe from the scary web where you put your credit 436 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,010 card into things and have to, you know, pay for things and 437 00:29:44,010 --> 00:29:47,370 download them. Yeah, and that's just to me, that's a little bit 438 00:29:47,370 --> 00:29:51,510 of smoke and mirrors. Because progressive web apps, the real 439 00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:55,770 threat to the iOS App Store, from progressive web apps is 440 00:29:55,770 --> 00:30:00,150 just the lack of the 30% cut. And we know that you can't When 441 00:30:00,150 --> 00:30:03,600 you have a progressive web app, there's no, there's no, they 442 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,690 can't wedge themselves in into the middle of that. And I think 443 00:30:06,690 --> 00:30:10,920 that's, you know, we saw this week, I think Cridland mentioned 444 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,950 that the revenue from the App Store is now bigger and bigger 445 00:30:13,950 --> 00:30:18,330 than the whole of the music industry. Oh, sure. No sure is 446 00:30:18,390 --> 00:30:20,730 this serious, serious money, and they're not going to let that 447 00:30:20,730 --> 00:30:25,470 go. In a progressive web app is a direct threat. I mean, like, 448 00:30:25,500 --> 00:30:27,630 you can't get more direct than that. 449 00:30:27,930 --> 00:30:31,350 Right. So well, you know, this is a court and not to delve into 450 00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:33,870 too long with this. You know, there's this court case going on 451 00:30:33,870 --> 00:30:38,100 now. And there's testimony about the value of the App Store. And 452 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,550 the one thing that stuck out for me was a look at Apple, here's 453 00:30:41,550 --> 00:30:45,150 how we look at things. You want a Mac, you want to live a little 454 00:30:45,150 --> 00:30:48,180 dangerously, you want to possibly get infected, you want 455 00:30:48,180 --> 00:30:50,730 to install your own shit, you want to run it yourself, here's 456 00:30:50,730 --> 00:30:55,470 a Mac over an iOS land, we protect you. And that's fair. 457 00:30:55,530 --> 00:30:58,020 And that's that, but I don't think that I don't think it is 458 00:30:58,020 --> 00:31:00,810 fair. I think that's bullcrap. Look at all the scammy apps that 459 00:31:00,810 --> 00:31:03,720 are on the App Store. I'm not saying that they're successful. 460 00:31:04,620 --> 00:31:10,080 That they're hypocrites, of course. But you know what? I 461 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:15,600 like, I could figure out a graph EOS, I can buy a different phone 462 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,950 people either will will stand for this shit. And if they want 463 00:31:19,950 --> 00:31:23,190 to be so called Safe and locked in and, and still and super 464 00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:27,450 tracked fine. I have no time to stand around. Which brings me to 465 00:31:27,450 --> 00:31:31,170 the next piece I'm annoyed about, Oh, please, license block 466 00:31:31,170 --> 00:31:35,430 moderate, I'm tired of this conversation. And great 467 00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:38,970 appearance on pod land. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it very, 468 00:31:38,970 --> 00:31:44,160 very much. But it did bring up some questions. And you know, 469 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,570 because I think it was James Cridland from pod news. Boost 470 00:31:48,570 --> 00:31:55,380 who started a week or so ago about we need the blood tank, 471 00:31:55,500 --> 00:32:00,330 the block tag and and we need license tag and like what is 472 00:32:00,330 --> 00:32:03,540 going on. Because the thing is, I've been through this movie 473 00:32:03,540 --> 00:32:08,880 before this, we went through all of this 15 years ago, where 474 00:32:08,970 --> 00:32:13,770 you're you're using my content, my feed on your site, that's 475 00:32:13,770 --> 00:32:17,250 stealing, you're hijacking my feed. Now when it comes, we 476 00:32:17,250 --> 00:32:20,880 already discussed this in the last show someone taking audio, 477 00:32:21,210 --> 00:32:23,580 taking clips out of it hosting on their own servers, those are 478 00:32:23,580 --> 00:32:27,540 pretty clear. But this is about the and this is maybe my problem 479 00:32:27,540 --> 00:32:31,410 with this topic. It's being conflated these three things. 480 00:32:32,010 --> 00:32:37,260 It's license in the feed. It's a block tag in the feed. And 481 00:32:37,290 --> 00:32:40,470 somehow moderation has to do with this. And I'm not quite 482 00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:44,160 sure if it's all about moderation. Or if it's really 483 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:49,440 all about monetization, or if it's both. So what I'm seeing is 484 00:32:50,010 --> 00:32:53,160 James Cridland saying, as a creator, you should have the 485 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,240 right to determine where your content goes. And I want to just 486 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:02,250 stop right there on the internet. When it comes to a 487 00:33:02,250 --> 00:33:08,610 feed, that's the link. It's not your content. That's a link. Are 488 00:33:08,610 --> 00:33:11,190 we going to go through that whole argument again, of 489 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,720 creating laws against deep linking? We did this already. 490 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,040 Without a link, you don't have an internet. So it's 491 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,420 preposterous to say I have a I have content over here and you 492 00:33:24,420 --> 00:33:31,650 can't link to it. Well, you're you're a website that surfaces 493 00:33:31,650 --> 00:33:34,830 the content or you're an aggregator or you're an index or 494 00:33:34,830 --> 00:33:38,910 you're a voting site or something else. I should have 495 00:33:38,910 --> 00:33:45,030 the right now, do we not want to ban blogs from having links to I 496 00:33:45,030 --> 00:33:48,270 don't understand where this thinking comes from other than 497 00:33:48,390 --> 00:33:51,870 I'm getting screwed. I want to monetize and I don't want anyone 498 00:33:51,870 --> 00:33:56,160 else to monetize off of the back off of my back. And so that goes 499 00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,870 right into Well, here's this show that's being stolen. Well, 500 00:34:01,380 --> 00:34:05,370 making my point for me, we came up with a lock tag. So that that 501 00:34:05,370 --> 00:34:08,010 would at least be something that we could point to this is not 502 00:34:08,010 --> 00:34:11,190 supposed to be imported. We built it for anchor. The whole 503 00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:17,910 issue about this searching for Natasha podcast is is an anchor 504 00:34:17,910 --> 00:34:22,800 based feed. Yeah, I mean, these guys are the plague. So let's 505 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:28,260 not pussyfoot around, let's just say anchor are assholes. Don is 506 00:34:28,260 --> 00:34:32,370 very simple what we've what we've created for this, but then 507 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,630 really, is it about that? Or is it about what actually the an 508 00:34:36,630 --> 00:34:41,970 index or an aggregator or an app has at what kind of links it is 509 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,990 maintaining, and that comes into the moderation part and and I 510 00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:49,080 want to play a little piece of your interview with Sam Sethi 511 00:34:49,470 --> 00:34:53,940 because it was just bizarre how this how this license block 512 00:34:55,019 --> 00:34:59,129 taking feeds turned into what we have to be able to moderate. 513 00:34:59,189 --> 00:35:02,039 That's one part All that I wanted to talk to you about was 514 00:35:02,039 --> 00:35:06,089 the plagiarism. And the other part, though, just to get your 515 00:35:06,089 --> 00:35:08,429 opinion, because I don't think it's something you directly 516 00:35:08,429 --> 00:35:12,299 involved in. Should podcasting hosts, though, use auto 517 00:35:12,299 --> 00:35:16,739 transcription and AI to look at the physical policing of content 518 00:35:16,739 --> 00:35:20,129 within podcasts? Or is that something that bad and might 519 00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:22,529 roll around on the floor and kick his legs off in 520 00:35:22,530 --> 00:35:26,160 the end screen? Also unnecessary roughness on the field? What 521 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,400 does this leave me out of use of force? Well, I don't run a 522 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:36,600 hosting company. Yeah, it's just odd that that was part two of 523 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,930 this whole issue will continue. You're not allowed to do that. 524 00:35:39,930 --> 00:35:43,830 It's a free speech platform and stop trying to prevent that. 525 00:35:43,830 --> 00:35:46,500 Because my worry is you're going to get somebody like Marcio 526 00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:49,170 green, put out a podcast where she goes, I can say anything I 527 00:35:49,170 --> 00:35:51,960 like within this. And it could be hate speech, it could be 528 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:52,530 anything. 529 00:35:53,610 --> 00:35:56,580 This is where the Brits and the Americans separate themselves, 530 00:35:56,580 --> 00:36:00,240 man. It can be hate speech, it can be anything. And this is 531 00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:03,060 this is a real thing. And I just want to make sure that everyone 532 00:36:03,060 --> 00:36:07,950 understands. In my mind, I follow the constitutional 533 00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:12,150 definition of freedom of speech, which is really stuff the 534 00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:15,060 government cannot do to you, I can say whatever I want, the 535 00:36:15,060 --> 00:36:18,870 government cannot infringe upon that except for a very narrow 536 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,620 case, such as yelling fire in a crowded theater when there is no 537 00:36:22,620 --> 00:36:27,720 fire. That's still free speech. But it has, you know, it has 538 00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:32,760 issue it has responsibility, as we would say, hate speech is so 539 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,240 subjective. And when this comes up in podcasting world, I put my 540 00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:41,250 foot down. And really what I find hateful or offensive, it 541 00:36:41,250 --> 00:36:43,800 may not be hateful or offensive to you. And we're gonna this 542 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,350 conversation is going right now. And I think I know why is 543 00:36:46,350 --> 00:36:50,310 because of Israel and Palestine is raging everywhere. People are 544 00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:54,060 yelling back and forth about this. It's just, it's a never 545 00:36:54,060 --> 00:36:57,180 ending fight, just like the actual situation is never ending 546 00:36:57,180 --> 00:37:03,060 fight. But let's try and keep this idiocy of hate speech. 547 00:37:03,390 --> 00:37:07,440 Which The only examples I ever hear is Alex Jones and Joe Rogan 548 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,420 hate speech. Okay, Alex 549 00:37:09,420 --> 00:37:12,300 Jones, Alex Jones, is podcasting to Bono? I mean, we know that 550 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,710 that's it's not chapters. We built it for him is too bad. 551 00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:21,270 He's not there yet. Exactly. Sorry, good. That didn't know 552 00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:24,120 you're gonna break up? Should we as podcasters be ready for this 553 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,410 before it becomes a legal issue? By addressing it in some way? Or 554 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,470 do we have to just wait for somebody to challenge a hosting 555 00:37:31,470 --> 00:37:34,290 company and sue them ultimately. And that will be where it comes 556 00:37:34,290 --> 00:37:37,500 down to if you want to get a real answer to it. But I don't 557 00:37:37,500 --> 00:37:42,240 think that that is really that much of a thorny issue with us. 558 00:37:42,270 --> 00:37:46,560 And our standpoint is, as from a directory approach, we as the 559 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,170 directory don't want to be policing it, you don't want your 560 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,500 your routers on the internet, or your BGP routers, policing 561 00:37:52,500 --> 00:37:55,560 content, those things just need to pass content and let the 562 00:37:55,950 --> 00:37:59,460 policing happen at a higher layer at the chain. So I think 563 00:37:59,460 --> 00:38:04,530 that, really at the at the hosting company level, each one 564 00:38:04,530 --> 00:38:07,290 has to make their own decisions, we see that within DNS too. 565 00:38:07,350 --> 00:38:11,100 There's this constant battle and in the cybersecurity realm of 566 00:38:11,100 --> 00:38:14,040 trying to police, DNS providers. 567 00:38:15,180 --> 00:38:18,870 Exactly DNS providers or trying to tell people, you can't link 568 00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:21,990 to something, you can't have a collection of links, you can't 569 00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:25,290 publish a collection of links, links are truly the currency of 570 00:38:25,290 --> 00:38:29,040 the internet. Now, if you're, if you want to make sure that your 571 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:34,380 feed is not duplicated, that's where I think of license. And, 572 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,280 and it was interesting to hear some misconceptions. There's 573 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,950 like, well, what kind of license what tears? No, no, there's a 574 00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:45,120 million licenses out there. I like Creative Commons, I've used 575 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,930 it successfully in court. And that could just be for the use 576 00:38:48,930 --> 00:38:52,170 of your feed. That's a little different than the link it's 577 00:38:52,170 --> 00:38:55,290 about, it's for the use of your feet. And I and you know, just 578 00:38:55,290 --> 00:38:58,170 the way we look at podcasts index is a we're gonna list 579 00:38:58,170 --> 00:39:00,870 everything. If you are the owner of it, you don't want it there. 580 00:39:01,140 --> 00:39:03,720 Greg will take it down. And soon we'll have a tool for you to do 581 00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:06,480 that yourself. That's fantastic. If you don't have to be a part 582 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,460 of that. That's just our choice. 583 00:39:09,570 --> 00:39:13,470 Well, I don't think that I know, let me let me back that up. I 584 00:39:13,470 --> 00:39:17,970 think that you are your instinct about this is correct, that 585 00:39:17,970 --> 00:39:20,370 there's many things being conflated. And it really just 586 00:39:20,370 --> 00:39:24,300 makes the whole conversation more difficult. Because you have 587 00:39:24,660 --> 00:39:31,770 really three different things. You have policing of content, 588 00:39:32,250 --> 00:39:36,450 meaning hate speech, and all this kind of stuff. You have 589 00:39:36,660 --> 00:39:43,590 licensing of content. And then you have blocking of who have 590 00:39:43,590 --> 00:39:46,920 who can list and where you show up, I guess it's four things. 591 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:52,740 And then you have finally fraud. Right. So like, it's really a 592 00:39:52,740 --> 00:39:56,040 whole lot of different things and it's, it does not help the 593 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,400 conversation to have to have them sort of all poured into one 594 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,480 mole and like MIT, you know, mixed around, because they're 595 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:07,440 really four separate conversations to be had. So the 596 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:13,020 lot like the license tag is great is, in my opinion, great 597 00:40:13,020 --> 00:40:16,080 because you can express a license in, in the theme. And 598 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:20,250 you can say, here's what you can do with my content. legally. I 599 00:40:20,250 --> 00:40:22,860 think that's it's, it's not, it's no different than what we 600 00:40:22,860 --> 00:40:26,820 do with open source software. It's just, it makes sense when 601 00:40:26,820 --> 00:40:32,550 it comes to blocking where you can be listed, separate issue. 602 00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:38,280 But if you put the block tag in your feed, and you tried to 603 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,510 express in your feed, I only want these particular 604 00:40:42,510 --> 00:40:50,370 directories and to be able to list me, that's to me, silly. I 605 00:40:50,370 --> 00:40:54,000 think personally, I've already said, I'm willing to do the blog 606 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:59,610 tag, I think it's fine. But if people start using it with a 607 00:40:59,610 --> 00:41:02,370 bunch of shenanigans and garbage, I'm just gonna stop, 608 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,850 but I'm not gonna I'm not gonna respect the tag that that we 609 00:41:05,850 --> 00:41:06,180 built. 610 00:41:06,510 --> 00:41:08,880 Let me just take take one thing out of the equation here. If 611 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,100 you're worried about your content being stolen, that has 612 00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:14,430 been solved, it was solved many years ago. It's called Digital 613 00:41:14,430 --> 00:41:18,450 Rights Management go to Spotify, you can put it there, you'll be 614 00:41:18,450 --> 00:41:22,800 safe. You can have it running in their in their system, go to 615 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,760 Apple do subscription. It's all DRM, and then your content will 616 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,600 never get stolen. I mean, that's easy, easy, if you want if you 617 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:37,740 want to live dangerously, just like Microsoft grew big, not 618 00:41:37,740 --> 00:41:41,970 just because of their tactics and their dominance over with 619 00:41:41,970 --> 00:41:46,530 hardware manufacturers. piracy was an important part of their 620 00:41:46,530 --> 00:41:51,690 global domination. The no agenda show has a policy, do whatever 621 00:41:51,690 --> 00:41:55,620 you want, we wouldn't be a quarter of the size. If we had 622 00:41:55,620 --> 00:41:58,380 said Oh, no, you can't do that. Oh, no, please, you can't you 623 00:41:58,380 --> 00:42:00,870 can't have a player there. We you can't set up a witness. We 624 00:42:00,870 --> 00:42:04,650 encouraged it. We did the opposite. We said Go for it. And 625 00:42:04,650 --> 00:42:08,280 then if you make any money, send us some. It's not necessarily 626 00:42:08,310 --> 00:42:12,240 the IRS looks at us and goes Boy, you guys have very 627 00:42:12,300 --> 00:42:19,170 irregular income. Very strange was sure, exactly. But it's it's 628 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:23,010 you got to go all in or not. I don't think there's a there's a 629 00:42:23,010 --> 00:42:27,030 middle ground when it comes to all of these issues piracy 630 00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:30,210 included in look at anchor. I mean, if anything, we should 631 00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:33,720 outlaw free shit. That's the problem. Everyone, everyone's 632 00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:36,360 like, Hey, you get what you pay for everyone goes to anchor and 633 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,410 it's difficult to do things and it sucks. And that's okay. But 634 00:42:40,410 --> 00:42:42,870 also their plague their Scourge? 635 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:47,850 Well, the industry, the industry has expressed that they don't 636 00:42:47,850 --> 00:42:50,700 want their content stolen. So that you know, quote, unquote, 637 00:42:50,700 --> 00:42:55,320 stolen. And we built a tag for it. And now it's time to just 638 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,920 start the industry itself to start public publicly shaming. 639 00:42:59,100 --> 00:43:04,590 And I plan to actually play a part in that. Because what I'm 640 00:43:04,590 --> 00:43:08,070 going to do is, I've already started kind of figuring this 641 00:43:08,070 --> 00:43:13,530 out yesterday, what I started thinking about was watching for 642 00:43:13,530 --> 00:43:18,450 these Feed URL changes, and when things move from, from a paid 643 00:43:18,450 --> 00:43:24,150 host to a free host. And all this, you know, if when, when 644 00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:28,710 that happens, if the lock tag was in place, when that 645 00:43:29,010 --> 00:43:33,060 transition happened, then I'm going to you'll know, you'll 646 00:43:33,060 --> 00:43:35,550 know what happened. Yeah, I don't know what I'm going to do 647 00:43:35,550 --> 00:43:37,950 with it. But I'm going to pass it along to me, no industry 648 00:43:37,950 --> 00:43:40,800 needs that kind of thing. And we'll and we'll just to give 649 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,860 people a heads up or I'll pass it along to the host I'll tell 650 00:43:43,980 --> 00:43:49,290 if somebody went from blueberry to anchor and they had the the 651 00:43:49,290 --> 00:43:52,920 lock tag and anchor didn't respect that, then I'll just let 652 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,170 Todd know, or somebody and just say, hey, here, I'll just start 653 00:43:55,170 --> 00:43:58,230 feeding people stuff and saying this is what's going on. Because 654 00:43:58,350 --> 00:44:02,340 I mean, that's the only way to not fix it. You know, that's not 655 00:44:02,340 --> 00:44:04,620 going to happen. But that's the only way to get any traction 656 00:44:04,620 --> 00:44:07,860 because there's no legal stuff here. It's only it's got to be 657 00:44:07,860 --> 00:44:09,420 the industry policing itself. 658 00:44:09,630 --> 00:44:13,710 There is there's definitely a way to do that. And we will be 659 00:44:13,710 --> 00:44:17,400 there one day, it'll it'll take it'll take a bit. But one of 660 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,270 these days, there's going to be enough of our apps, we'll just 661 00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:26,370 call them our apps, our team, team FAQ. And we're gonna say 662 00:44:26,370 --> 00:44:29,550 you know what, everyone's gonna block everything from anchor 663 00:44:29,580 --> 00:44:32,340 sorry, if your podcast is there, you're not going to work on any 664 00:44:32,340 --> 00:44:34,680 of these apps because they're dickheads you want to see 665 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,440 someone something change real fast. When people start moving, 666 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:41,670 it's easy to move. And then the people who don't care who cares 667 00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:45,510 about them anyway. We would have that power, all of the 668 00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:47,130 collective apps would have that power. 669 00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:54,630 They The fourth is a sort of that fourth leg is the the hate 670 00:44:54,630 --> 00:45:00,180 speech thing. And that is to me, right like at this moment in 671 00:45:00,180 --> 00:45:05,550 history, that is such a prescient discussion, because 672 00:45:06,330 --> 00:45:08,910 the one thing that we've seen over the past week and this is 673 00:45:08,910 --> 00:45:14,220 just like the most perfect example I can imagine is the 674 00:45:14,220 --> 00:45:20,190 whole thing with walking back. The Wu Han lab Coronavirus Lake. 675 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,820 Yeah, you know, I don't want to get all Fenton into na 676 00:45:23,820 --> 00:45:29,610 territory. But you walk this we have seen the entire world now 677 00:45:29,820 --> 00:45:34,350 walking back from Oh, you thought Coronavirus was a was a 678 00:45:34,350 --> 00:45:38,670 Wu Han lab Lake your kooky conspiracy? You're no you're 679 00:45:38,700 --> 00:45:42,720 you're d platformed. Yeah, your D platform go back six months 680 00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:48,090 ago. Go back six months ago and if you were on YouTube, and you 681 00:45:48,090 --> 00:45:51,870 were spreading quote unquote, Coronavirus, misinformation, 682 00:45:52,650 --> 00:45:58,080 man, they would hammer you. You got d platformed. Instantly, no 683 00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,350 questions asked of us. I've got a long Reddit thread that I've 684 00:46:01,350 --> 00:46:04,710 never actually brought up on this on the show. But I've got a 685 00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:08,040 long Reddit thread that I printed out of this guy who was 686 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,940 like, I got d platformed. Nobody will respond to me. I never said 687 00:46:11,940 --> 00:46:16,260 anything other than just, you know, basic information about 688 00:46:16,260 --> 00:46:19,530 the virus. They get automated. The thing that Sam was talking 689 00:46:19,530 --> 00:46:23,100 about the auto transcription in flagged it, they pulled it down 690 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,430 and he was he was banned and he was banned for like three weeks 691 00:46:26,430 --> 00:46:29,130 with no explanation whatsoever. He's like I didn't say anything 692 00:46:29,130 --> 00:46:34,140 wrong. So that you know, they've taken it back to the Coronavirus 693 00:46:34,410 --> 00:46:37,830 Lab Lake thing. Now all of a sudden I've got this article 694 00:46:37,830 --> 00:46:42,810 right here. It says you were PolitiFact retracted. It's Wu 695 00:46:42,810 --> 00:46:47,160 Han lab theory fat check. Washington Post also retract has 696 00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,760 retracted there's now all so all these fact checkers that were 697 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,870 claiming the dozen nutjob kooky conspiracy theory about the lab 698 00:46:54,870 --> 00:47:00,240 leak are now reversing their fact check to from you know, 699 00:47:00,420 --> 00:47:06,420 from false to maybe. And in the process. Potentially lots of 700 00:47:06,420 --> 00:47:11,370 creators were deep platformed and lost a livelihood, because 701 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,310 these dudes got it wrong. Okay, litical legends, so 702 00:47:14,370 --> 00:47:19,950 not just creators, doctors, doctors, scientists. And that 703 00:47:19,950 --> 00:47:26,850 last point is the point. fact checking facts, truth, 704 00:47:27,090 --> 00:47:30,930 information changes over time. So for the fact checkers to say, 705 00:47:30,930 --> 00:47:35,550 you know what, we're reversing this fair game. But that's not 706 00:47:35,550 --> 00:47:38,460 fair. When you're throwing people off platforms because of 707 00:47:38,460 --> 00:47:41,790 it. That's that's the part that's the problem, like, Oh, 708 00:47:42,030 --> 00:47:47,220 you fact check false and you're out. And when it comes to 709 00:47:47,220 --> 00:47:51,630 something as subjective as hate speech, and and, and this is 710 00:47:51,630 --> 00:47:55,740 part of why this is Mission number one is, you know, the 711 00:47:55,980 --> 00:48:00,810 reason I want to stay relevant, Dave is to it's all political. I 712 00:48:00,810 --> 00:48:05,280 just want to make sure alex jones can be heard. But the 713 00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:12,540 prevalence of this topic, and and the Cavalier pneus, with 714 00:48:12,540 --> 00:48:16,380 which hate speech is used and discussed amongst very smart 715 00:48:16,380 --> 00:48:21,660 people, I have a clip is disturbing. This is my favorite 716 00:48:21,660 --> 00:48:25,620 hate cast. Because I hate them. I hate the podcast. And so 717 00:48:25,620 --> 00:48:28,320 whenever a new episode, I wish I could boost because I'd hate 718 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:32,970 boost. I would hate this thing. I would hate boosting all over 719 00:48:32,970 --> 00:48:38,460 this thing. I just be jisan SATs on them is sway pivot from Kara 720 00:48:38,460 --> 00:48:43,230 Swisher who as you know, when podcasting was first introduced, 721 00:48:43,230 --> 00:48:45,900 the first thing she said is, well, how do we make sure that 722 00:48:45,900 --> 00:48:50,820 no naughty content? Can she get camp? So she's been a moderator 723 00:48:50,820 --> 00:48:56,100 and an ad platformer from day one. And Scott Galloway, who I 724 00:48:56,100 --> 00:49:01,080 think is very smart guy. He's incredibly wealthy and arrogant. 725 00:49:01,290 --> 00:49:07,200 So that gives me an extra hate hate thing. But there's a lot of 726 00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:11,010 good information, a lot of interesting takes on stories 727 00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:17,040 they come from, from things. It's not even a we may have 728 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,220 political differences, but that's unimportant. It is it is 729 00:49:20,220 --> 00:49:26,340 truly about the words they use. And this was an example when it 730 00:49:26,340 --> 00:49:30,210 comes to Russia, because of course Russia very, very bad. 731 00:49:30,450 --> 00:49:36,570 And now Google had fined Russia, Russia had find Google $80,000 732 00:49:36,570 --> 00:49:40,830 for not removing some content or putting something whatever it 733 00:49:40,830 --> 00:49:46,350 was. It was about moderation moderating, and or removing or 734 00:49:46,350 --> 00:49:51,540 adding content in Russia. But bottom line moderating and 735 00:49:51,540 --> 00:49:52,980 here's what they had to say about it. 736 00:49:53,010 --> 00:49:55,290 This is a country right? It's not a big business for Google. 737 00:49:55,290 --> 00:49:57,270 Russia is a big business. I think Russia has more to lose 738 00:49:57,270 --> 00:49:59,850 here in that regard. But it's not just Russia. It's India, 739 00:49:59,850 --> 00:50:02,730 like They're doing stuff in New Zealand, Australia, like this 740 00:50:02,820 --> 00:50:06,510 Canada like and then eventually, laterally. Yeah, they're all 741 00:50:06,510 --> 00:50:09,720 like talking about various and sundry things about, you know, 742 00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:12,630 in, in, in the in the democracies. It's like hate 743 00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:16,140 speech needs to be controlled in Russia. It's don't talk about 744 00:50:16,140 --> 00:50:19,380 the like, yeah, that's right. So which speech needs to be 745 00:50:19,380 --> 00:50:21,630 controlled speech needs to be controlled is really the bottom 746 00:50:21,630 --> 00:50:23,610 line, although it's different speech and I think you and I 747 00:50:23,610 --> 00:50:25,950 would probably go Yeah, hate speech is being trolled. No 748 00:50:25,950 --> 00:50:28,920 letting it only take you know, I mean, that's the problem here. 749 00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:29,190 That's 750 00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:31,950 the nuance that no one wants to talk about. Now we'll talk about 751 00:50:31,950 --> 00:50:37,350 it, professor. In a democracy, you want to moderate hate 752 00:50:37,350 --> 00:50:42,000 speech. That's the most contradictory thing I've heard 753 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:42,690 in my life. 754 00:50:46,020 --> 00:50:51,360 That I've got a clip that I've been hauling around for a little 755 00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:56,730 bit. Obama on free speech 2012. Now I know that not all 756 00:50:56,730 --> 00:51:00,300 countries in this body share this particular understanding of 757 00:51:00,300 --> 00:51:04,980 the protection of free speech, we recognize that. But in 2012, 758 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:10,620 at a time when anyone with a cell phone can spread offensive 759 00:51:10,620 --> 00:51:14,580 views around the world with a click of a button, the notion 760 00:51:14,580 --> 00:51:19,650 that we can control the flow of information is obsolete. Not 761 00:51:19,650 --> 00:51:20,640 according to Kara, 762 00:51:22,050 --> 00:51:26,910 at some point between 2012 and now, the dialogue changed from 763 00:51:27,930 --> 00:51:33,390 Hey, this is free speech. just deal with it, too. Oh, we can do 764 00:51:33,390 --> 00:51:37,230 this. They can moderate every word that comes out of 765 00:51:37,230 --> 00:51:43,380 everybody's mouth. Yeah. And that, too. So they're, you know, 766 00:51:43,380 --> 00:51:48,510 this, this whole thing of the the PolitiFact retractions, the 767 00:51:48,510 --> 00:51:51,810 same thing, I brought this up a few months ago, the same thing 768 00:51:51,810 --> 00:51:55,290 happened with or not the same thing. But a similar issue 769 00:51:55,290 --> 00:52:00,990 happened with Joe Biden in his track record on the was the 770 00:52:00,990 --> 00:52:07,530 crime bill Granville Yep. And there was a lot of the the other 771 00:52:07,530 --> 00:52:11,310 democrat nominees in the in the race for the White House. Were 772 00:52:11,310 --> 00:52:17,850 all all almost were claiming that his crime bill led to mass 773 00:52:17,850 --> 00:52:23,670 incarceration of blacks. Well, you know, the, the all if you 774 00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:26,460 did a survey of all the fact checking organizations, 775 00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,370 he was all over the map. Do you realize that even just the fact 776 00:52:29,370 --> 00:52:32,400 that you said blacks and not African American, the transcript 777 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,280 will be flagged? And this episode would be at best delayed 778 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:36,120 for release? 779 00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:43,110 That is the very, you know, it was all over the map. It's true. 780 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:48,150 Bart's maybe, perhaps there was no consistency course 781 00:52:48,150 --> 00:52:48,810 whatsoever. 782 00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:53,640 Course not. Of course. It's It's so subjective, but it's also 783 00:52:53,730 --> 00:52:54,780 pathetic. 784 00:52:55,739 --> 00:52:58,649 And I mean, like when you when you're when you're fat check, 785 00:52:58,709 --> 00:53:03,719 this is when this is what I mentioned to Sam. When it's not 786 00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:08,759 about what you find. It's about what you do with it when you 787 00:53:08,759 --> 00:53:09,689 find it. Yes. 788 00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:12,960 I heard you say that. Exactly. Then what So okay, we found that 789 00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,700 we found the bigger fence now what? 790 00:53:16,469 --> 00:53:23,759 Yeah, that's the thing is so so this, this podcast that got the 791 00:53:23,789 --> 00:53:27,119 get delisted, I don't know if it nobody still knows what what the 792 00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:32,759 problem was. But this podcast was called searching fight 793 00:53:32,759 --> 00:53:37,349 finding Natasha. No, no hidden. Something different. Sorry. 794 00:53:37,919 --> 00:53:42,209 Yeah. Okay. So this, the host of this, this podcast is called 795 00:53:42,209 --> 00:53:45,239 hidden something I can't remember hidden agendas, or I 796 00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:50,639 don't remember that. He said, I've podcast was 1600 35 797 00:53:50,639 --> 00:53:53,999 ratings. 5.0 average, been around for five years. And the 798 00:53:53,999 --> 00:53:57,239 podcast is no longer showing up on the mobile app on the apple 799 00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:01,229 podcast mobile app. And he said, he followed it up and he said, 800 00:54:01,409 --> 00:54:04,649 the episode mentioned the Israeli Palestinian conflict, 801 00:54:04,679 --> 00:54:08,459 could this have caused it to be censored? any links to the right 802 00:54:08,459 --> 00:54:12,419 Right, right. Right. Right. You know, and the thing is, like, I 803 00:54:12,419 --> 00:54:15,839 was talking when I was talking to Sam, I'm like, okay, so you 804 00:54:15,839 --> 00:54:19,649 have maybe you have a podcast host based based based in 805 00:54:19,649 --> 00:54:23,279 Israel. Maybe you have another one based in Palestine. Maybe 806 00:54:23,279 --> 00:54:28,679 you have one in the United States. Well, each one of those 807 00:54:28,679 --> 00:54:33,299 organizations is had they have to be responsible for this. The 808 00:54:33,299 --> 00:54:37,319 local your local, these kinds of decisions have to be hyper 809 00:54:37,319 --> 00:54:43,289 local. They cannot be anything broad based that that you can 810 00:54:43,289 --> 00:54:46,859 have like a you can just plug in like content moderation system 811 00:54:46,859 --> 00:54:51,089 and have it do the work for you. Because if let's just say that 812 00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:59,159 you did get d platformed. From a Israeli podcast host for saying 813 00:54:59,159 --> 00:55:02,189 something that they thought was potentially dangerous or hate 814 00:55:02,189 --> 00:55:05,519 speech or something like that? Well, then you can move to 815 00:55:05,519 --> 00:55:07,499 another host. Like 816 00:55:08,969 --> 00:55:12,389 that. I mean, in the United States where I think so a lot of 817 00:55:12,389 --> 00:55:16,259 hosting takes place, there is a protection under Section 230. 818 00:55:16,859 --> 00:55:20,249 The host has doesn't have to do anything, they don't have to 819 00:55:20,249 --> 00:55:25,379 concern themselves. There's no liability. All of that is fine. 820 00:55:25,409 --> 00:55:29,279 They don't have to worry about it at all. It's not the same 821 00:55:29,339 --> 00:55:33,449 everywhere. But it's just it's a non issue. Why would they have 822 00:55:33,449 --> 00:55:36,779 to do that unless that they unless they are being contacted 823 00:55:36,779 --> 00:55:40,589 by some content police, headed by Kara Swisher in some kind of 824 00:55:40,589 --> 00:55:43,169 cop uniform? with chains? 825 00:55:44,700 --> 00:55:49,020 Yeah, I can, I can tell you this. We think I've mentioned 826 00:55:49,020 --> 00:55:53,460 this before. Now, my wife is is basically a civil rights 827 00:55:53,490 --> 00:55:58,650 activist. And we do lots of stuff with the black community 828 00:55:58,650 --> 00:56:03,780 here in Birmingham. And we were at a thing about three weeks 829 00:56:03,780 --> 00:56:10,260 ago, it was like a, this was like, read as a survey of a few 830 00:56:10,260 --> 00:56:12,630 of the black civil rights leaders in Birmingham, which if 831 00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:16,530 you know, any of the history of Birmingham, Alabama, I mean, 832 00:56:16,530 --> 00:56:21,300 like this was the era for civil rights. Just absolute black 833 00:56:21,300 --> 00:56:27,090 civil rights heroes were born and lived here. So there was a 834 00:56:27,090 --> 00:56:31,770 guy from the Birmingham civil rights Institute, they're doing 835 00:56:31,770 --> 00:56:35,610 an overview of four different figures that were prominent in 836 00:56:35,610 --> 00:56:38,610 Birmingham civil rights. You know, one of them was, it was 837 00:56:38,610 --> 00:56:42,030 Angela Davis, she was here. She was actually born here in 838 00:56:42,030 --> 00:56:45,900 Birmingham. I don't know if anybody knows that. But the this 839 00:56:45,900 --> 00:56:51,390 guy did a survey. And it was the audience was mostly white man is 840 00:56:51,390 --> 00:56:58,140 probably an 8020. In the sense you got was we just want to have 841 00:56:58,140 --> 00:57:02,400 open dialogue, want to have be able to talk to each other 842 00:57:02,490 --> 00:57:06,300 without fear? And we, you know, I see that all all over the 843 00:57:06,300 --> 00:57:12,120 place these political, the political activists on social 844 00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:18,450 media have stirred up so much distrust the the social media 845 00:57:18,450 --> 00:57:23,400 race war, it's been, it's been so detrimental. And I love them. 846 00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,520 That's one of the things I love about Moe. is these all the time 847 00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,160 saying, you know, when he's quoting Malcolm X by saying we 848 00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,530 need to sit down together at the same table and talk without 849 00:57:31,530 --> 00:57:36,090 fear? That's 100%. Right? Well, you have content moderation 850 00:57:36,090 --> 00:57:39,720 systems, just sort of slowly churning in the background, 851 00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,910 flagging people, deep platform, people, all this kind of stuff. 852 00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:45,720 He does, then you take it out, and there's no, there's no 853 00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,340 humanity in that at all. 854 00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:51,120 That's exactly right. And it's so deep, as I noticed, during 855 00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:58,050 the show with Moe, that we were we are completely everything's 856 00:57:58,050 --> 00:58:02,010 on the table with us. And so I'll say like, Hey, man, I feel 857 00:58:02,010 --> 00:58:05,970 really uncomfortable about this certain situation. And here's 858 00:58:05,970 --> 00:58:09,840 how I approach it. And here's what I think in a black American 859 00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:14,220 white American scenario. And he'll say, well, it's odd 860 00:58:14,220 --> 00:58:17,340 because I have exactly these feelings on my side. And I'm 861 00:58:17,340 --> 00:58:21,300 afraid to say this or that. And it's all because of this, this 862 00:58:21,300 --> 00:58:25,290 lack of dialogue because of the policing of words, that you're 863 00:58:25,290 --> 00:58:28,440 not seeing it right and might offend someone by using the 864 00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:34,140 wrong terminology or pronoun. And it's, it's it anyway. 865 00:58:35,310 --> 00:58:39,150 podcasting is a place for everybody, I really don't care. 866 00:58:40,290 --> 00:58:44,100 I don't think moderation will ever work. The only reason to 867 00:58:44,100 --> 00:58:47,610 moderate is to keep advertisers happy. That's the only reason to 868 00:58:47,610 --> 00:58:51,330 do it. And that's why it happens is ultimately advertisers want 869 00:58:51,330 --> 00:58:53,970 nothing to do with controversy of any kind. 870 00:58:55,980 --> 00:59:00,420 There are definitely things that I don't want to listen to at all 871 00:59:00,449 --> 00:59:03,059 right, so guess what, you probably don't listen to it. 872 00:59:03,570 --> 00:59:08,190 I don't know. I don't know. And the The other thing about the 873 00:59:08,820 --> 00:59:14,460 the quantity the number of those things is very small. Like the 874 00:59:14,700 --> 00:59:21,420 number of podcasts out there that are truly and I mean, truly 875 00:59:21,420 --> 00:59:26,760 offensive like in a way where you can tell the person is an 876 00:59:26,790 --> 00:59:31,770 actual psychopath that and I mean that in the in the medical 877 00:59:31,770 --> 00:59:36,480 sense those things are very rare some of my favorites 878 00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:41,040 I love those the complete crate you know there was a I got a 879 00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:45,810 note this morning someone I know agenda social. Tonight you are 880 00:59:45,810 --> 00:59:50,040 viewing moderating contact. So we talking about well, I had 881 00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:53,220 this whole thing about Palestine versus Israel, and then all of a 882 00:59:53,220 --> 00:59:56,640 sudden that thread is gone. And I said, Well, maybe the other 883 00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:00,720 guy blocked you and maybe he deleted his posts. Which deletes 884 01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,600 the children of that post. It's, you know, what do you want me to 885 01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:07,260 say? And he's, that should be a record, pre record of this 886 01:00:07,260 --> 01:00:15,570 conversation. So who exactly so that to me is also the lunacy. 887 01:00:15,870 --> 01:00:18,570 It's mental, it's a mental issue, you're addicted to 888 01:00:18,570 --> 01:00:21,420 something, you're addicted to some kind of controversy or 889 01:00:21,420 --> 01:00:24,780 something you need to have or you miss it. No, maybe you're 890 01:00:24,780 --> 01:00:28,200 missing something else in your life. It's just not that 891 01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:29,490 important. And 892 01:00:29,490 --> 01:00:32,370 you take Brandon brown of London, do you know g living in 893 01:00:32,370 --> 01:00:35,640 Israel? He, you know, he'll be the first one to tell you, you 894 01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:39,540 know, the Holocaust deniers and those kind of folks He's like, I 895 01:00:39,540 --> 01:00:41,610 think the most effective strategy for those guys is 896 01:00:41,610 --> 01:00:45,720 ridicule. He's like, I don't, I don't I don't want to shut him 897 01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,300 up. Because it makes him more dangerous. He's like, I just 898 01:00:48,300 --> 01:00:48,570 want to 899 01:00:48,570 --> 01:00:51,240 sit back and laugh at him. Bottom line is all this 900 01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:54,870 divisiveness is done for a reason. It's this divide and 901 01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:57,840 conquer is we're all bickering we're all doing stupid shit. And 902 01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:01,920 we're not getting on with our mission. So let's move on with 903 01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:03,450 the mission, shall we? How about that? 904 01:01:05,969 --> 01:01:07,049 Yeah, no, no, 905 01:01:08,190 --> 01:01:11,340 no, no, no. We need to bring some sexy back into the show. 906 01:01:13,980 --> 01:01:16,830 What do you want to do? Well, what are your closing closing 907 01:01:16,830 --> 01:01:22,500 the phase? Which is that face? Three, three. Yeah. So there's 908 01:01:22,500 --> 01:01:31,290 going to be same license. trailer, and alternate 909 01:01:31,290 --> 01:01:34,590 enclosure. Ooh, okay. An alternate enclosure is big, 910 01:01:34,590 --> 01:01:41,580 because then we can move forward with the video with na tube to 911 01:01:41,580 --> 01:01:44,040 have different resolutions, right? That's one use. 912 01:01:44,699 --> 01:01:47,189 Yes. So it's got a few Yeah, it's got a few different uses. 913 01:01:47,189 --> 01:01:51,749 Like this is sort of a real Swiss Army knife. And the so a 914 01:01:51,749 --> 01:01:55,709 few just off the top a few uses you can have we do have low 915 01:01:55,709 --> 01:02:01,259 bitrate versions of or higher bit or higher. Yeah, low or 916 01:02:01,259 --> 01:02:05,339 high. have different audio content or video content. You 917 01:02:05,339 --> 01:02:11,369 can have alternate streams like something like a director's cut 918 01:02:11,369 --> 01:02:16,649 or our commentary track, things like that. You can have 919 01:02:16,919 --> 01:02:22,589 different aspects like different resolutions of the basically any 920 01:02:24,089 --> 01:02:28,079 different type of media experience this related to that. 921 01:02:28,110 --> 01:02:31,200 Let me ask you a question. Just something just hit me. So it can 922 01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:36,960 be any content type? Yeah. Any content type? Yes. So just a 923 01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:41,970 crazy crazy question. Could it be a content type Could it be a 924 01:02:42,870 --> 01:02:47,850 file that has a chat room transcript synchronized to the 925 01:02:47,850 --> 01:02:58,440 playback does have to be pure playable media. 926 01:02:59,969 --> 01:03:04,229 Yeah, that's not that's not really gonna happen with 927 01:03:04,229 --> 01:03:09,029 alternating closure that No, I don't think so. 928 01:03:09,119 --> 01:03:14,489 Okay. All right. It was just a crazy idea throughout their day 929 01:03:14,489 --> 01:03:19,919 this look oh, Dave's going to the archive by the way. When I 930 01:03:19,919 --> 01:03:24,869 saw your your walls. Do you live in the same place that Tim does 931 01:03:24,869 --> 01:03:28,409 from Ellen pay? Because it looks very similar. Does he have 932 01:03:28,409 --> 01:03:33,779 possums also delphis possums but I see the the exposed insulation 933 01:03:33,929 --> 01:03:37,739 in the woods. Bear light bulbs and stuff like, 934 01:03:37,769 --> 01:03:43,559 huh? Yeah. Don't ask my wife about that. She's not real happy 935 01:03:43,559 --> 01:03:45,449 with the state of our house right now. Yeah, I'm 936 01:03:45,450 --> 01:03:47,460 sure the possum wasn't a winter weather either. 937 01:03:47,909 --> 01:03:51,689 Oh, no, no, that's not going over Well, let's see type one 938 01:03:51,689 --> 01:03:55,919 looking at the attributes here. Type length bit rate. You can 939 01:03:55,919 --> 01:03:58,199 specify these different attributes on the alternate 940 01:03:58,199 --> 01:04:00,779 enclosure, but it can be a torrent it can be a torrent as 941 01:04:00,779 --> 01:04:05,279 well. Correct? Yes, different. Okay, so he's got in here 942 01:04:05,279 --> 01:04:11,129 different codecs. Yes, a tour like dill. You can have 943 01:04:11,159 --> 01:04:14,519 different if you want to serve your well. Here's another use 944 01:04:14,519 --> 01:04:19,469 case if you wanted to have your base enclosure be HTTPS. But 945 01:04:19,469 --> 01:04:23,309 then you also wanted to serve another version over ipfs. Okay. 946 01:04:24,569 --> 01:04:28,229 Perfect, perfect. And then you could have audio and video both. 947 01:04:28,229 --> 01:04:29,159 Here's a question. 948 01:04:30,389 --> 01:04:35,189 A web app that if I'm using a web app using brave and brave 949 01:04:35,189 --> 01:04:40,169 has the ipfs switched on? It should understand the 950 01:04:40,169 --> 01:04:41,849 alternative link natively, right? 951 01:04:43,469 --> 01:04:47,819 That isn't good. Wow, that's fucking cool. Would that be? The 952 01:04:47,819 --> 01:04:55,019 only question would be whether or not brave could interpret 953 01:04:55,289 --> 01:05:01,619 what the file was supposed to be? Like, when you when you 954 01:05:01,619 --> 01:05:06,149 deliver a binary attachment, they call it an attachment in 955 01:05:06,149 --> 01:05:12,899 HTTP parlance, when you deliver a binary attachment, you can you 956 01:05:12,899 --> 01:05:17,429 specify in the response header, I'm sorry, I'm doing all this on 957 01:05:17,429 --> 01:05:18,149 the fly and in your 958 01:05:18,150 --> 01:05:23,550 in your cap file knows what app to open. The dot dot cap file 959 01:05:23,550 --> 01:05:29,910 wasn't that it doesn't see a B, the dot c gap, I think was like 960 01:05:29,910 --> 01:05:33,450 a Unix thing. I don't know that's you're going farther back 961 01:05:33,450 --> 01:05:33,840 than me. 962 01:05:36,929 --> 01:05:40,889 So when you deliver a file over a binary file over HTTP, you can 963 01:05:40,889 --> 01:05:43,889 specify the response header, what the MIME type is, and then 964 01:05:43,889 --> 01:05:46,469 also what the content so I think it's called the content 965 01:05:46,469 --> 01:05:51,539 disposition header. And that tells when you open it in line, 966 01:05:51,539 --> 01:05:55,349 or download it as an attachment, or download it as a file 967 01:05:55,349 --> 01:05:58,049 download, which basically, you know, just saves it to your 968 01:05:58,049 --> 01:06:01,439 machine, instead of delivering it to the browser viewport. 969 01:06:01,949 --> 01:06:06,479 Right, right. Right, handled as me as content. By the way it was 970 01:06:06,509 --> 01:06:10,289 it was a dot Domain Dot male pcap file. I'm sorry. Oh, male 971 01:06:10,289 --> 01:06:14,969 cat. That's just like, this is the inbox for us to know, what's 972 01:06:14,969 --> 01:06:19,949 a little box format? Yeah. The mail capabilities file. And 973 01:06:20,459 --> 01:06:24,689 that's it. So that that would be the only question is whether or 974 01:06:24,689 --> 01:06:31,709 not brave has the ability to pull some sort of control 975 01:06:31,709 --> 01:06:36,059 directive out of the returned thing in ipfs? Because ipfs to 976 01:06:36,059 --> 01:06:41,219 my knowledge doesn't have anything like a header, like a 977 01:06:41,219 --> 01:06:44,249 response header that can tell the browser what to do with it. 978 01:06:44,249 --> 01:06:44,459 Right. 979 01:06:44,460 --> 01:06:49,860 Well, here's the good news. I'm looking now i i have dmws with 980 01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:55,170 Brendan Eich. Oh, great for me from brave, right. Yeah, yeah. 981 01:06:55,620 --> 01:06:58,050 Yeah, he's the inventor of JavaScript. Yeah. So I'll just 982 01:06:58,050 --> 01:07:01,860 say, hey, Brandon, fix this for us. Will you damage done by 983 01:07:01,860 --> 01:07:02,400 Monday? 984 01:07:03,210 --> 01:07:05,940 I wonder Sam Sethi knows him because Sam used to work at 985 01:07:05,940 --> 01:07:07,770 Mozilla a bit. They were around at the same time. 986 01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:12,270 Oh, really? Maybe? Maybe? Yeah. But you know, he it's not I 987 01:07:12,270 --> 01:07:15,030 don't know, man. He's probably persona non grata. he's a he's a 988 01:07:15,030 --> 01:07:18,630 homophobe. Oh, yeah. Brandon. Yeah. forgot about that. Yeah, 989 01:07:18,630 --> 01:07:22,470 he gave money to some company. That's some outfit political 990 01:07:22,470 --> 01:07:26,220 outfit. That's homophobes can't be with him anymore. Yeah. 991 01:07:26,820 --> 01:07:29,310 That's at least that's what he was the platform for whether it 992 01:07:29,310 --> 01:07:31,740 was true or not. I don't know. Okay, that's, 993 01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:37,770 yeah. So anyway, that's the that's the alternate enclosure. 994 01:07:38,190 --> 01:07:44,730 That has to be that's step one. of getting to. It's not just 995 01:07:44,730 --> 01:07:46,860 step one of getting this other thing. I mean, it's it's a 996 01:07:47,340 --> 01:07:53,790 badass tag, but it is also step one of getting to where we want 997 01:07:53,790 --> 01:07:59,040 to go with a lot the live stream part. Yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. 998 01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:05,430 And then pod, pod pain will take. We're gonna hopefully 999 01:08:05,430 --> 01:08:06,480 evolve that 1000 01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:11,070 thing. Being a live alert system. Yeah. Yeah. And also, 1001 01:08:11,790 --> 01:08:15,600 you gotta stay gotta stop. All right. Dave Jones, you have done 1002 01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:20,670 such an incredible job with pod Ping. Not only so you have 1003 01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:23,850 you've, you string it out Brian of London. Of course. Lots of 1004 01:08:23,850 --> 01:08:27,720 people helped. But you oversaw the project strung it together. 1005 01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:32,340 You personally reaching out to the hosts to make sure that they 1006 01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:37,080 they start pinging us and you're doing PR for it? What about 1007 01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:41,040 bamboo appeals? You went on? The pod land show? Oh, yeah, that's 1008 01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:44,220 right. That's when you went on just for just for yucks. No, you 1009 01:08:44,220 --> 01:08:47,100 went on. I gotta teach you so much on. That's promotion. 1010 01:08:47,670 --> 01:08:52,050 autopilot. I'm on autopilot. Now. Congratulations, man. This 1011 01:08:52,050 --> 01:08:57,750 is a very, very, very big deal. Yeah, I think so. I think it is 1012 01:08:57,750 --> 01:09:01,020 a big deal. It has lifted off. I mean, we've got a few of the 1013 01:09:01,020 --> 01:09:04,410 biggest hosts on board already. Now we just need to start 1014 01:09:04,410 --> 01:09:05,430 shaming the rest. 1015 01:09:06,870 --> 01:09:10,110 That's what I told Sam yesterday is when I start adding this 1016 01:09:10,140 --> 01:09:13,770 started adding it up. I've got my sheet here. They pull up a 1017 01:09:13,770 --> 01:09:15,360 sheet. In fact, 1018 01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:21,750 we are single handedly saving tons of carbon. We should get 1019 01:09:21,750 --> 01:09:26,370 carbon credits for what we're doing. Honestly. Eric, Eric, 1020 01:09:26,370 --> 01:09:29,490 Eric, get us some carpet. Yes, you can trade those. You can 1021 01:09:29,490 --> 01:09:37,560 trade them for Dogecoin for bad. Take bad. I'd finally turn that 1022 01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:40,560 on. I'm like I need some bat. Just I want to collect some bat. 1023 01:09:42,060 --> 01:09:42,810 Almost nothing. 1024 01:09:43,110 --> 01:09:46,770 Good to see that's how you buy hive, evidently is you you get 1025 01:09:46,770 --> 01:09:50,790 traded carbon credits to get a bag to move into Dogecoin to 1026 01:09:50,790 --> 01:09:55,500 finally buy hive. I was just wanting to buy some hive the 1027 01:09:55,500 --> 01:09:59,970 other day. Oh my god. It's not easy. I know, bro. Brian Brown. 1028 01:10:00,390 --> 01:10:04,830 Stop complaining about lightning ever bought hive before? He is 1029 01:10:04,830 --> 01:10:10,680 impossible. No, no, no, don't make him post about it. Don't 1030 01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:19,200 make it post. Okay. The Yes. So the top 25 hosting companies are 1031 01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:23,430 collectively responsible for 3.4 million out of the 3.8 million 1032 01:10:23,430 --> 01:10:28,620 fees we have. So I mean, if if those top 25 guys start pod 1033 01:10:28,620 --> 01:10:31,890 pinging, he could homeless shut down all aggregators. I mean, 1034 01:10:32,010 --> 01:10:34,470 you can have like one aggregator sitting in the closet doing the 1035 01:10:34,470 --> 01:10:37,860 rest of them. And 10 minutes I keep, 1036 01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:42,120 I keep pinging Apple podcasts on Twitter. Say, Hey, you know, 1037 01:10:42,150 --> 01:10:45,900 every single time someone says, hey, how come? How come my 1038 01:10:45,900 --> 01:10:49,440 podcast hasn't shown up yet? I say they're working fine over 1039 01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:53,100 here. new podcast apps calm and Apple you're more than welcome 1040 01:10:53,100 --> 01:10:56,790 to tie into pod paying. Come on, it'll save you money. I mean, 1041 01:10:56,820 --> 01:11:00,780 they can do it overnight and then focus on those edge cases 1042 01:11:00,780 --> 01:11:04,530 and get those with your crawler. I don't want to think about how 1043 01:11:04,530 --> 01:11:09,060 much carbon is being spewed into the atmosphere smothering Greta 1044 01:11:09,060 --> 01:11:11,730 tune Barry, because of the apple crawler. 1045 01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:16,860 That said there's three there's three pod things servers 1046 01:11:16,860 --> 01:11:25,140 currently us Europe, Australia. See what I'm doing. Sexy Yeah, I 1047 01:11:25,140 --> 01:11:30,300 got one local I see your baits upside down. But 1048 01:11:31,230 --> 01:11:34,500 and he's doing business strategy ladies and gentlemen. He's a 1049 01:11:34,500 --> 01:11:38,790 powerhouse Wait, donate boost. Come on everybody. Here's your 1050 01:11:38,790 --> 01:11:42,180 cue to boost you know you want to 1051 01:11:43,950 --> 01:11:47,970 I've got speaking of boost. Okay, I've got three I did not 1052 01:11:47,970 --> 01:11:51,780 know Dame Jennifer was gonna do that. So I've got I've got a 1053 01:11:52,230 --> 01:11:58,380 boost jingle that I did. Oh, there but I've seen variation. 1054 01:11:58,410 --> 01:12:03,450 three variations of this. Are you doing audio production now 1055 01:12:03,450 --> 01:12:08,820 as well? I mean, why am I even showing up? Well, the This is 1056 01:12:08,820 --> 01:12:14,160 Fauci. Because he says it 1000 times a day he does get to have 1057 01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:20,910 a Fauci bass boost. So that's one boost. Boost. Okay, now 1058 01:12:20,910 --> 01:12:26,910 number two, boost. I'd like that with a proof proof. Okay, so 1059 01:12:26,970 --> 01:12:30,420 number three is sweetened up with a little bit of confetti 1060 01:12:31,620 --> 01:12:36,750 boost that didn't come across very well. Now. That doesn't 1061 01:12:36,750 --> 01:12:39,990 quite work. I don't know what do you think one two or three well 1062 01:12:39,990 --> 01:12:40,650 boost. 1063 01:12:42,510 --> 01:12:47,070 Boost I think to two has a funny little like pumpkin, but we need 1064 01:12:47,070 --> 01:12:53,940 a little extra extra just as effects and number three came 1065 01:12:53,940 --> 01:12:56,460 across like a hiss and it was supposed to be confetti. Let me 1066 01:12:56,460 --> 01:13:01,260 see. Well, how about this, we could also do a combo deal here 1067 01:13:01,260 --> 01:13:09,090 we could do booze. cruise missile action. Number two 1068 01:13:09,090 --> 01:13:12,510 sounds like it's supposed to be a core part. But it sounds like 1069 01:13:12,510 --> 01:13:21,330 Fauci is in the in the bathroom drop. dropping a deuce booze can 1070 01:13:21,330 --> 01:13:25,560 go on forever. Anyway, that's my contribution to the Django 1071 01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:30,330 scenario. Very nice. We need an honor. I was thinking about this 1072 01:13:30,330 --> 01:13:33,690 though, we need some kind of onboarding doc. Something that 1073 01:13:34,170 --> 01:13:37,200 may be similar to the value for value.io that I did just 1074 01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:40,110 explains here's what it is. I mean, I'm sure you have it, but 1075 01:13:40,110 --> 01:13:42,420 it's something we could point people to so they can harass 1076 01:13:42,450 --> 01:13:45,690 other people about it to get it done. Something that can send to 1077 01:13:45,690 --> 01:13:50,580 Tim Cook which I'm sure is t cook@apple.com. 1078 01:13:51,180 --> 01:13:54,810 Yeah, then that's probably not a mailbox that gets a lot of 1079 01:13:54,810 --> 01:13:55,230 email. 1080 01:13:57,060 --> 01:14:02,700 By the way of jobs was literally s jobs@apple.com. Was he I have 1081 01:14:02,700 --> 01:14:08,730 it still I have that I when I was gonna go meet with him. I I 1082 01:14:08,730 --> 01:14:13,770 signed up for Apple Mail so I had Adam curry@mac.com I think 1083 01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:17,940 cuz I for sure didn't want to you know, I want to seem like 1084 01:14:17,940 --> 01:14:22,770 such a loyalist so you got an email here Adam Curry at max 1085 01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:25,770 calm and he sent me an email so jobs at max calm maybe that's 1086 01:14:25,770 --> 01:14:29,220 just me since from I don't know, but I was I kept it. I was 1087 01:14:29,220 --> 01:14:29,820 impressed. 1088 01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:35,670 And that he had a full time sysadmin just to manage his his 1089 01:14:35,670 --> 01:14:36,810 mailbox. Maybe 1090 01:14:36,870 --> 01:14:40,500 Maybe not. I don't know. I know. The way to do it is you just 1091 01:14:40,590 --> 01:14:44,400 throttle the attachment size. That's what works for me. Yeah, 1092 01:14:44,430 --> 01:14:44,880 well, you've 1093 01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:46,980 got a full time sysadmin working on your mailbox. 1094 01:14:46,980 --> 01:14:52,770 I do. Avoid zero. Yeah, do but is this something I can help 1095 01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:55,890 right or something that we can put together just to adopt 1096 01:14:55,890 --> 01:15:00,390 because it's so good. I want people to I want people to And 1097 01:15:00,390 --> 01:15:03,270 maybe we approach it from save the Earth perspective. 1098 01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:07,680 or know your time that the value block, right? No, I'm talking 1099 01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:13,530 about pod ping o pod p O. Like an onboarding doc. 1100 01:15:13,860 --> 01:15:15,480 Yeah. 1101 01:15:16,079 --> 01:15:18,689 Well, not yet because I'm having to manually create the 1102 01:15:18,689 --> 01:15:23,999 authentication tokens. So not ready. Not ready. We're working. 1103 01:15:24,029 --> 01:15:28,139 We're working now. And by the way, Brett brown of London. I 1104 01:15:28,139 --> 01:15:31,349 mean, he wrote half this crap himself is not you know, this. 1105 01:15:31,379 --> 01:15:35,609 This is not just me. Oh, no, he's been and he's on fire. 1106 01:15:36,089 --> 01:15:39,959 Yeah, I mean, he just does not stop. He doesn't sleep. And, you 1107 01:15:39,959 --> 01:15:43,919 know, Alex, it's Alice Gates is helping him with his Python and 1108 01:15:43,919 --> 01:15:48,929 all that good stuff. It's It's such. It's such a great team 1109 01:15:48,929 --> 01:15:52,889 effort here. It's, oh, speaking of team speaking of team, Mike 1110 01:15:52,919 --> 01:15:56,099 Newman, or Norman, I'm not sure how you pronounce his name. He 1111 01:15:56,249 --> 01:15:59,759 finally filled out he filled out the team repo. So that 1112 01:15:59,790 --> 01:16:03,060 Oh, yes, I saw that word. Yes, very nice. That's a big list. 1113 01:16:03,630 --> 01:16:08,220 It's a very big list. If your stuff is messed up from there or 1114 01:16:08,220 --> 01:16:11,610 not, right, or if you're not on it, just do a, do a pull request 1115 01:16:11,610 --> 01:16:15,300 and run it. Right. But I really appreciate him doing that. 1116 01:16:15,300 --> 01:16:18,150 Because that's, there's been so many people contributing to 1117 01:16:18,150 --> 01:16:22,110 this, and you can't even he just can't remember them all. Because 1118 01:16:22,110 --> 01:16:24,840 everything is nice to look, I was looking down that list and 1119 01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:27,270 remembering what people have done. And I was oh, my goodness, 1120 01:16:27,270 --> 01:16:27,630 there's so 1121 01:16:27,630 --> 01:16:32,070 much Yes, I know. Can you grab your stack of papers, let's 1122 01:16:32,070 --> 01:16:35,040 thank some of the people who have devoted their treasure to 1123 01:16:35,070 --> 01:16:39,690 podcasting 2.0 as we are a value for value proposition. You can 1124 01:16:39,690 --> 01:16:42,900 support the show in many ways. One Of course, here's your cue 1125 01:16:42,900 --> 01:16:48,480 to boost. You know, you want to yes, you do boost us boost as 1126 01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:52,740 hard. Or you can go to podcast index.org scroll down to the 1127 01:16:52,740 --> 01:16:55,620 bottom is a big red Donate button for your cut box through 1128 01:16:55,620 --> 01:16:59,250 Pay Pal. That's a still a preferred method, since we don't 1129 01:16:59,250 --> 01:17:03,660 have the channels to get more than 10 bucks at a time. But 1130 01:17:03,660 --> 01:17:09,360 we're building and all we ask is that people support the whole 1131 01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:12,750 project, which includes the podcast, everything that 1132 01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:16,080 everything around podcasting 2.0 to keep the server's running 1133 01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:20,040 keep everything moving. We can we By the way, we use this money 1134 01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:26,160 to open channels is all kinds of stuff. And we have a couple of 1135 01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:29,790 people to thank for today's episode and the past week's 1136 01:17:29,790 --> 01:17:31,710 work. Yes, good. 1137 01:17:31,740 --> 01:17:37,560 It's a it's a really good stack. And right off the bat, as Xavier 1138 01:17:37,620 --> 01:17:43,950 from podcast addict gave us $500 holy crap. Yeah. He says keep 1139 01:17:43,950 --> 01:17:46,980 up. Keep up the great work Xavier from podcast attic. 1140 01:17:47,070 --> 01:17:51,060 I think I I also I think I promoted podcast addict on the 1141 01:17:51,060 --> 01:17:53,940 last no agenda. This is a I'm doing that now at every donation 1142 01:17:53,940 --> 01:17:56,820 segment. I'm talking about podcasting. 2.0. Then I talk 1143 01:17:56,820 --> 01:18:00,570 about new podcast apps calm and then I highlight. I say I 1144 01:18:00,570 --> 01:18:03,780 suggest you try out this app today. And I think podcast 1145 01:18:03,780 --> 01:18:07,890 addict was maybe two weeks ago or two weeks ago. Yeah. Oh, 1146 01:18:07,890 --> 01:18:14,250 yeah. I'm throwing everything in. Everything I got. Yeah. guns 1147 01:18:14,250 --> 01:18:17,400 blazing. guns blazing. Exactly. Thank you very much, Xavier. 1148 01:18:17,430 --> 01:18:18,720 Really Let freedom ring. 1149 01:18:21,060 --> 01:18:26,850 Let's see who we got next. Oh, sir. Pete 6969. 1150 01:18:27,089 --> 01:18:31,169 Oh, Sir. Sir. Paid actually from the Netherlands. Yes. Thank you, 1151 01:18:31,169 --> 01:18:34,199 sir. Appreciate. He's been around my value projects for a 1152 01:18:34,199 --> 01:18:35,459 long time. He's a good guy. 1153 01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:40,380 Okay, so he says, sir Pete says dear Dave, and Adam, listen, 1154 01:18:40,500 --> 01:18:43,710 here's the deal. I can't help getting that was not a good job. 1155 01:18:43,710 --> 01:18:49,440 But listen, here's the deal. I can't help getting great ideas 1156 01:18:49,440 --> 01:18:52,500 when I listened to your Friday inspiration broadcast. As a 1157 01:18:52,500 --> 01:18:54,540 former software architect, I love to hear our data 1158 01:18:54,540 --> 01:18:57,300 continuously improve the way the index and the feed features 1159 01:18:57,300 --> 01:19:01,020 work. As a former content strategist, I also love how Adam 1160 01:19:01,020 --> 01:19:03,510 translates those improvements to something both business owners 1161 01:19:03,510 --> 01:19:07,770 and listeners get. As a side note, I'm still baffled what why 1162 01:19:07,770 --> 01:19:11,400 people are hesitant to implement the value block. I am as well. 1163 01:19:12,090 --> 01:19:15,210 Even even if it's a closed loop value system, the streaming sets 1164 01:19:15,210 --> 01:19:17,970 and messages are the ultimate way to track engagement and ways 1165 01:19:17,970 --> 01:19:21,030 to improve the bond with listeners and producers. It's 1166 01:19:21,030 --> 01:19:25,320 like having your own private verified Nielsen engine. Anyway, 1167 01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:31,440 right? tell you that is my 6.969 cents worth keep singing the 1168 01:19:31,440 --> 01:19:34,290 gospel and building and keep building on the backbone of 1169 01:19:34,290 --> 01:19:37,710 liberated media. Love is lit love equals fire. 1170 01:19:41,010 --> 01:19:43,860 love and love is lit is a new thing that no agenda producers 1171 01:19:43,860 --> 01:19:48,120 have latched on to him. So where did that come from? Well, it 1172 01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:51,720 came from there was a period when a lot of people were dying 1173 01:19:51,930 --> 01:19:55,920 celebrities and and on social media. You always see the 1174 01:19:55,920 --> 01:20:01,140 following. Rip, love and light. Oh yeah. And so we would start 1175 01:20:01,140 --> 01:20:05,070 saying, Oh yes, love and light, love and light. And somewhere 1176 01:20:05,070 --> 01:20:08,880 someone is almost like hodel someone misspelled it became 1177 01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:12,120 loving lit and so is that just stuck now? It's loving, loving. 1178 01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:14,670 Thanks for great appreciate it, man. 1179 01:20:15,090 --> 01:20:22,410 Yeah, thanks. Okay, so, sir bill of Glen rock, he gave us $50 and 1180 01:20:22,410 --> 01:20:26,730 he says, Please credit me. Yes, sir bill of Glen rock go podcast 1181 01:20:26,730 --> 01:20:33,270 go podcasting. Thank you very much. Beloved Glen rock. Oh, 1182 01:20:33,270 --> 01:20:39,330 this guy's familiar. Benjamin Bellamy. Hey, Benjamin with me. 1183 01:20:39,750 --> 01:20:44,460 $45 he donates just to hear you say, I know. For me to say 1184 01:20:44,460 --> 01:20:51,300 custom pod. Sydney. This year, it's your French keeps him 1185 01:20:51,300 --> 01:20:56,070 coming back. 45 $45.70 US 1186 01:20:56,190 --> 01:21:01,500 dollars paid in, in French socialist government euros. 1187 01:21:02,910 --> 01:21:08,100 Or if I was if I was. If I was Cridland, I would say $45.70. 1188 01:21:10,410 --> 01:21:13,200 Thank you for everything you bring to free podcasting into 1189 01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:16,350 the open web. I don't know if I deserve it. But I'd be honored 1190 01:21:16,350 --> 01:21:21,420 to get a T shirt. Of course you deserve it. Of course he does. 1191 01:21:21,690 --> 01:21:25,380 Get that man a T shirt. Definitely promise. I promise 1192 01:21:25,380 --> 01:21:28,200 I'll do my best to be worthy. What color do you want your cast 1193 01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:30,300 upon instance? Benjamin Bellamy. 1194 01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:34,710 What color do I want my Casta pod instance? I thought they 1195 01:21:34,710 --> 01:21:42,390 were all green. I'd like it to orange please. I would orange 1196 01:21:42,390 --> 01:21:45,540 the color of Bitcoin and coincidentally the color of all 1197 01:21:45,540 --> 01:21:53,130 human beings on on a color scan. We're all orange. Also the color 1198 01:21:53,130 --> 01:21:58,140 of Donald Trump's skin. Okay, thanks another good reason Dave. 1199 01:21:58,170 --> 01:22:01,470 Thanks for bringing that up. Maybe you want to switch it to 1200 01:22:01,470 --> 01:22:05,160 blue now? No, I want orange I can't wait Benjamin thank you so 1201 01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:08,280 much for supporting everything you you guys are true and thank 1202 01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:12,120 you for for for for however you did that and however you get 1203 01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:15,120 funded and if you ever need someone to to help with a 1204 01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:17,370 presentation for your next funding round from the 1205 01:22:17,370 --> 01:22:24,360 government. Let me know. I'll monkey dance. I'll help you. I 1206 01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:28,560 was good at it. I help people raise money all the time. No, I 1207 01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:31,530 know you are Yeah, I love it. I love helping with that. I love 1208 01:22:31,530 --> 01:22:34,140 it. I don't it's free free service. If it's if it's for 1209 01:22:34,140 --> 01:22:41,040 podcasting. Just give a boost just boost back boost. Michael 1210 01:22:42,480 --> 01:22:48,090 Michael Kimber sees in his $25 and he says boosting my monthly 1211 01:22:48,270 --> 01:22:50,640 Sir Michael Black Knight the dude's name Ben 1212 01:22:50,669 --> 01:22:55,709 nice. Boost. Thank you. Appreciate you liking these. 1213 01:22:55,709 --> 01:22:58,649 Dave. I'm liking it. I'm liking him for that 1214 01:22:58,650 --> 01:23:03,540 boost. For that donation you get to listen to bouchy take a dump. 1215 01:23:05,220 --> 01:23:10,770 Let's see. This is anonymous. Anonymous for Northern Virginia. 1216 01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:18,960 Go podcasting gave us 1111 snake. Beautiful. Thank you. 1217 01:23:19,530 --> 01:23:25,440 Okay, get to subscriptions. $10 each one to $10 from Jordan. 1218 01:23:25,980 --> 01:23:29,580 There's not a note on either one of Jordan dunville $10 a month 1219 01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:33,420 and James Sullivan $10 a month. Thank you both. Thanks. Both 1220 01:23:33,480 --> 01:23:38,610 appreciate Yeah, very much. No, there's no note on those. But do 1221 01:23:38,610 --> 01:23:41,400 you want to like defragment them? Are you happy to? 1222 01:23:47,490 --> 01:23:52,050 Let's see we get Christopher say these are the monthly fees they 1223 01:23:52,050 --> 01:23:58,170 hit this week. Christopher reamer ducote coats. Michael 1224 01:23:58,170 --> 01:24:02,220 kimmer Oh, Michael. He just donated a one time donation to 1225 01:24:03,030 --> 01:24:07,410 Christopher was $10. stickers. $6.66. Michael camera or 1226 01:24:07,410 --> 01:24:16,020 530 $5.33 Jeff Miller $20 Leslie Martin $2 Dred Scott $15. You 1227 01:24:16,020 --> 01:24:22,260 drove? Thanks, Terry Keller $4.11 Pedro then call this $5 1228 01:24:22,260 --> 01:24:28,950 and Aaron Renaud $5. And I think we need like, I think it's not 1229 01:24:28,950 --> 01:24:34,200 obvious. We have reciprocity with the no agenda period. 1230 01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:37,920 Right. I mean, if you show up here as a night or something, I 1231 01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:39,990 mean, you get full honor. You get treated as a night 1232 01:24:39,990 --> 01:24:43,950 of course. So the we we we recognize peerage across all 1233 01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:45,600 tribe boundaries. Absolutely. 1234 01:24:46,020 --> 01:24:49,830 No facts. No. I mean, there's no facts. Of course, you're 1235 01:24:49,830 --> 01:24:54,240 recognized with your appropriate level of honor. We we accept 1236 01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:58,590 your credentials here. Yes, yes, full reciprocity. That's why 1237 01:24:58,590 --> 01:25:04,950 it's like the Sheraton also accept Marriott points. To make 1238 01:25:04,950 --> 01:25:08,790 it the cheapest analogy. I thought you'd appreciate that. 1239 01:25:10,980 --> 01:25:13,260 Alright, that's it. That's our group. 1240 01:25:13,589 --> 01:25:18,179 Thank you all very much. You're doing great work. Everyone is 1241 01:25:18,179 --> 01:25:20,969 time, talent treasure, the three T's of the value for value 1242 01:25:20,969 --> 01:25:26,159 model. It just proves that humanity exists. And we can do 1243 01:25:26,159 --> 01:25:29,579 these things. When we all put it together. And we can, again, 1244 01:25:29,579 --> 01:25:32,969 I'll say, you know, we have the brain power of at this point, a 1245 01:25:33,209 --> 01:25:37,979 $50 million dollar company that is working on projects. And 1246 01:25:38,009 --> 01:25:40,799 we're more open more honest and more driven and more 1247 01:25:40,829 --> 01:25:44,339 enthusiastic than any other company. I've been a part of or 1248 01:25:44,339 --> 01:25:49,499 started or it's, it's incredible to see this type of energy. And, 1249 01:25:49,889 --> 01:25:52,949 and everyone should be very proud of what we're doing. Even 1250 01:25:52,949 --> 01:25:57,599 Dvorak. He's like, Hey, man, you guys got traction with that 1251 01:25:57,599 --> 01:26:02,339 podcast? 2.0 thing. I'm gonna write up some high praise. Yeah, 1252 01:26:02,339 --> 01:26:06,329 it is high praise. I'm gonna write up some I'm gonna get some 1253 01:26:06,329 --> 01:26:08,789 I'm gonna get used more interviews, more exposure for 1254 01:26:08,789 --> 01:26:12,209 this thing. So that's really kind john. Yeah, I'm gonna I got 1255 01:26:12,209 --> 01:26:16,649 a list and I know, I know who to talk to and get you on TV and 1256 01:26:16,649 --> 01:26:20,129 everywhere and nice man. Why? Because you know, whenever you 1257 01:26:20,129 --> 01:26:22,679 do that more people show up for no agenda. So it's good. 1258 01:26:27,089 --> 01:26:28,019 Conversation with 1259 01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:34,650 this. There's an article cosmic weenie article income, cosmic 1260 01:26:35,070 --> 01:26:38,730 article. As a PDF, yeah. 1261 01:26:39,330 --> 01:26:43,350 I wanted to dig up to Steven B with Curio caster who just 1262 01:26:43,440 --> 01:26:47,880 waltzed into into the garden and, and said, Oh, look at this. 1263 01:26:48,330 --> 01:26:50,880 Holy crap, that guy is everything working, I think that 1264 01:26:50,910 --> 01:26:53,010 I don't think there's a single tag that isn't working in that 1265 01:26:53,010 --> 01:26:53,340 app. 1266 01:26:54,270 --> 01:26:57,870 That's a great app. I mean, it's really, it's solid, it feels 1267 01:26:57,870 --> 01:27:02,970 good. I mean, it's responsive, like it doesn't feel sluggish or 1268 01:27:02,970 --> 01:27:04,980 anything like it's just, it's tight. It's a tight 1269 01:27:04,980 --> 01:27:10,140 app. Well, the onboarding was beautiful. And this is what I 1270 01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:13,860 kind of liked about it. And pod friend does a version of this 1271 01:27:13,860 --> 01:27:18,540 too. It's like when you show up at a value block enabled 1272 01:27:18,630 --> 01:27:22,980 podcast, it shows you all the controls. And then when you hit 1273 01:27:22,980 --> 01:27:26,370 one of those controls, then it brings up the Okay, you need 1274 01:27:28,020 --> 01:27:33,390 satoshis for this little short explanation, and then generate 1275 01:27:33,390 --> 01:27:37,590 an invoice, then fill up the wallet. And so you do need a 1276 01:27:37,590 --> 01:27:40,560 username password to create to create an account, he's 1277 01:27:40,590 --> 01:27:43,740 obviously hosting those keys, which I really appreciate. 1278 01:27:44,100 --> 01:27:49,110 Because it's, you know, it's, it's a bridge for now, I guess, 1279 01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:52,710 it's a great way to bridge between now. And whenever we get 1280 01:27:52,740 --> 01:27:56,820 more capability, either in the browser or in an app, so that we 1281 01:27:56,820 --> 01:28:02,160 don't have to deal with the, with everyone being a custodial 1282 01:28:02,370 --> 01:28:06,480 posted wallet provider. And I understand the apprehension for 1283 01:28:06,480 --> 01:28:09,360 a lot of developers who don't want to do that. But when 1284 01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:11,550 someone just jumps in and says No, fuck it, we'll do it for 1285 01:28:11,550 --> 01:28:13,740 now. We'll see what happens. It's really appreciated. 1286 01:28:14,490 --> 01:28:17,340 Getting the tip jar thing is great, too. I think that's the 1287 01:28:17,340 --> 01:28:19,230 first time I've seen that is it? Am I wrong? 1288 01:28:19,260 --> 01:28:23,550 It is incredibly smart. And it's such a nice variation of what 1289 01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:29,310 Martin posted an idea a couple of weeks ago, not even that long 1290 01:28:29,340 --> 01:28:33,900 ago. And he showed a screen where you could change the split 1291 01:28:33,900 --> 01:28:38,220 values. And I think pretty much the people on that thread were 1292 01:28:38,220 --> 01:28:41,070 like, yeah, now that's kind of weird if you're if you're 1293 01:28:41,070 --> 01:28:44,820 changing those splits. And then Steve with creo caster took it 1294 01:28:44,820 --> 01:28:47,580 one step further, or in a different direction, really 1295 01:28:47,580 --> 01:28:50,430 lateral move. I said, Well, what if you could just send an 1296 01:28:50,430 --> 01:28:53,880 additional amount to anybody on that split, which includes the 1297 01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:58,380 app, and I have found quite honestly, that I'm boosting 1298 01:28:58,440 --> 01:29:03,090 Curio caster as much as I'm boosting anybody else. Yeah, 1299 01:29:03,090 --> 01:29:06,720 like, just like, I'm enjoying this app right now. I'm just 1300 01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:10,230 gonna boost him boosted the index just for the hell of it. 1301 01:29:10,290 --> 01:29:13,680 Yeah. Did you? I love self boosting. It's, you know, don't 1302 01:29:13,950 --> 01:29:15,150 don't tell anyone I do it. 1303 01:29:15,510 --> 01:29:20,070 No. I think that's fantastic. That's a great use very smart 1304 01:29:20,070 --> 01:29:23,610 idea of that. Because you you have a whole chain there 1305 01:29:23,610 --> 01:29:29,190 available to you. It's like, it's like a like, you know, Mark 1306 01:29:29,220 --> 01:29:34,320 Martin's idea was that, but then this is just like a refinement. 1307 01:29:34,350 --> 01:29:35,310 Yeah. Where you're like, Oh, yeah, 1308 01:29:35,310 --> 01:29:40,050 this perfect iterator. Right. Perfect. And so Abel Kirby, who 1309 01:29:40,050 --> 01:29:43,950 is a he's a great songwriter, composer, musician. He's done 1310 01:29:43,980 --> 01:29:49,560 many of the top top jingles and songs for no agenda. So he's put 1311 01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:52,110 together a band, they're recording an album they've 1312 01:29:52,110 --> 01:29:56,550 already contractually signed two splits. So his whole value block 1313 01:29:56,550 --> 01:30:01,260 will be for like the drummer and the bass player etc. No Oh yeah, 1314 01:30:01,260 --> 01:30:04,440 and he's going to upload it to podcasting. 2.0 each track will 1315 01:30:04,440 --> 01:30:09,240 be a different is a different episode. Oh, nice. But imagine 1316 01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:13,800 this, you're listening and let's just say killer bass solo. Open 1317 01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:19,530 the tip jar based BAM boost boost. Boost. Boost a basic 1318 01:30:19,530 --> 01:30:24,990 boost. exactly that. How cool is that? Hillary? How cool is that 1319 01:30:24,990 --> 01:30:28,140 gonna be? No have been done for the music stuff to come on I 1320 01:30:28,140 --> 01:30:32,160 loads. Yeah, it's gonna come it's gonna come. And seriously 1321 01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:38,520 all someone would have to do is just change the skin, too. Music 1322 01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:42,660 caster I don't care pot, podcast music, whatever you want to call 1323 01:30:42,660 --> 01:30:42,840 it. 1324 01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:49,080 But so I'm like you so often I'm listening to it as something in 1325 01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:53,970 like I'm either in pop friend or breeze or, you know, pod verse 1326 01:30:53,970 --> 01:31:00,030 or anything and I'm and I'm like and I'm thinking, this is such 1327 01:31:00,030 --> 01:31:03,090 a, like I just feel start to feel really good about the whole 1328 01:31:03,090 --> 01:31:06,420 experience of Oh yeah, streaming SATs and all that kind of stuff. 1329 01:31:06,540 --> 01:31:10,440 And I want to thank the developer, I want to boost the 1330 01:31:10,440 --> 01:31:15,900 app itself. And it may be I mean, seriously, great idea. I 1331 01:31:15,900 --> 01:31:19,110 want to I may want to give them I may want to give them like 10 1332 01:31:19,110 --> 01:31:22,470 bucks a pop, and you might have something and here's the other 1333 01:31:22,470 --> 01:31:26,490 thing, every one of these apps needs a tip jar every single and 1334 01:31:26,490 --> 01:31:30,060 this is a great way yes is a great way to do it. Yeah, 1335 01:31:30,060 --> 01:31:37,650 because cuz you don't know. Okay, Martin. You don't know who 1336 01:31:37,650 --> 01:31:44,310 is out there. That is really going to appreciate this. And 1337 01:31:44,310 --> 01:31:46,770 just drop you 500 bucks out of nowhere. 1338 01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:50,280 You know who's really thoughtful about this stuff. Tina, she's a 1339 01:31:50,310 --> 01:31:55,320 pod fan, pod friend fiend as she and you know, and she listens to 1340 01:31:55,320 --> 01:31:59,490 a number of value block enabled shows and no agenda or she 1341 01:31:59,490 --> 01:32:02,460 didn't listen to this. Because like, just give me the cliff 1342 01:32:02,460 --> 01:32:07,320 notes. Yeah, hot namespace talk baby. Oh, okay. She's very aware 1343 01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:13,920 of Dame Jennifer's role. Yeah. But she she's like I boosted 1344 01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:17,190 that. I thought that was such a good point. And so if she knew 1345 01:32:17,190 --> 01:32:22,680 that she could boost Martin for for the app she do it she do it 1346 01:32:22,860 --> 01:32:27,660 in a heartbeat. So what I share with anybody and you know what 1347 01:32:27,660 --> 01:32:33,450 it's interaction it's the podcast or saying hey, you know 1348 01:32:33,480 --> 01:32:39,270 really great experience on pod friend. Once you go you know, 1349 01:32:39,270 --> 01:32:42,930 boost or go ahead and, and, and throw a pod friends some 1350 01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:50,130 subsets. And here's how you do it. Another when podcasters you 1351 01:32:50,130 --> 01:32:54,840 lazy lazy, lazy douchebags, you've got to tell people to use 1352 01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:58,980 some of these new apps new podcast apps.com it will work 1353 01:32:59,010 --> 01:33:04,650 you will receive satoshis everyone gets happy. This This 1354 01:33:04,650 --> 01:33:09,900 is tough love from the pot father big time. It's Friday. 1355 01:33:09,900 --> 01:33:12,360 This is what I like. And have you ever been in a board meeting 1356 01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:15,030 like this? I've been in a lot of board meetings Dave I've never 1357 01:33:15,030 --> 01:33:18,270 been a board meeting where we can call everyone douchebags and 1358 01:33:18,390 --> 01:33:21,240 just talk I want to 1359 01:33:21,750 --> 01:33:25,440 I've never been in one where there was the sound of people 1360 01:33:25,440 --> 01:33:34,590 taking the dogs and booze. Yeah, like breed breeze. You know, 1361 01:33:34,590 --> 01:33:38,670 they basically granted my wish I put an issue on the on their 1362 01:33:38,670 --> 01:33:41,790 repo of, I don't know a month and a half ago about deep 1363 01:33:41,790 --> 01:33:45,540 linking into sharing an episode directly in the app. And then 1364 01:33:45,540 --> 01:33:48,330 they rolled it out in testflight. I want to boost I 1365 01:33:48,330 --> 01:33:50,880 want to boost those them of course. Yeah, I want to say 1366 01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:54,120 thanks. I want to give him you know, give him 5000 SATs right 1367 01:33:54,120 --> 01:33:56,220 there are 10,000 or whatever. Also 1368 01:33:56,220 --> 01:34:00,870 speaking about the speaking of boosting pod station, pod 1369 01:34:00,870 --> 01:34:03,810 station browser extension getting a lot of extra features 1370 01:34:03,810 --> 01:34:07,980 including a boost button. Yeah, very nice. 1371 01:34:08,190 --> 01:34:12,960 Gil Gaylor. Matt put put the tip jar in. Yeah, exactly. Do it now 1372 01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:15,720 I'll I will definitely boost you and I know everybody else will 1373 01:34:15,720 --> 01:34:19,740 to do that. That needs to be a standard. 1374 01:34:20,280 --> 01:34:25,680 I mean that and believe it or not. A lot of our money goes. A 1375 01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:29,670 lot of our private money goes into boosting everybody. I think 1376 01:34:29,670 --> 01:34:33,510 we're just shooting money to everybody. I know it's at least 1377 01:34:33,510 --> 01:34:36,990 a couple 100 bucks a month. I know I know. I'm boosting I'm 1378 01:34:37,020 --> 01:34:37,980 over boosting. 1379 01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:42,930 I listened to potluck pod news every morning me too as my as my 1380 01:34:42,930 --> 01:34:43,380 religion. 1381 01:34:43,620 --> 01:34:48,270 Five I 500 stat boost the minute from Portland. Okay, pod net dot 1382 01:34:48,270 --> 01:34:51,600 new review. Boom. Okay. 500 SATs now I'm going to listen 1383 01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:55,320 streaming 50 SATs a minute. If you mentioned my name triple 1384 01:34:55,320 --> 01:34:57,330 boost. Turbo Boost. 1385 01:34:58,080 --> 01:35:02,040 Yeah, that's I mean, I'm I'm single handedly responsible for 1386 01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:06,330 most of Portland's revenue from yesterday boosted mass my own. I 1387 01:35:06,330 --> 01:35:09,120 boosted a lot, man I boosted Thank you. But I mean, that's 1388 01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:12,930 just if you throw in the if you if you value and what your 1389 01:35:12,930 --> 01:35:16,410 podcast I agree with sir Pete just value net with your podcast 1390 01:35:16,440 --> 01:35:19,950 it doesn't take away from your main source of revenue. And what 1391 01:35:19,950 --> 01:35:23,070 I've seen a lot of people doing. I've seen a lot of podcasters 1392 01:35:23,100 --> 01:35:26,580 putting a value blog in their feed, and then not not 1393 01:35:26,580 --> 01:35:30,540 mentioning it on the show. But it's just sitting there. 1394 01:35:30,570 --> 01:35:33,630 Yeah, that's the big that's the biggest mistake. That's why I 1395 01:35:33,630 --> 01:35:37,110 keep saying new podcast apps calm or choose one you like and 1396 01:35:37,110 --> 01:35:41,280 tell people to try it. I, what I what I love doing with the web 1397 01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:45,960 apps I'm gonna start doing now is Oh, here's my show, click on 1398 01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:50,010 this. People get this whole fantastic app right in their 1399 01:35:50,010 --> 01:35:53,640 browser. Like that's, that's a way to show people something 1400 01:35:53,640 --> 01:35:56,490 new. Yeah. 1401 01:35:57,870 --> 01:36:01,890 That's it's an I'm like it. I'm like him. I don't I don't I'm 1402 01:36:01,890 --> 01:36:06,240 not sure I understand the trepidation there. Oh, adoption 1403 01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:10,230 takes time. And it's just these things take time. But it's, I 1404 01:36:10,230 --> 01:36:14,400 see, you know, devore x, right. We have traction. We have we 1405 01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:18,420 have traction, it's taken off people know about it. I think 1406 01:36:19,230 --> 01:36:22,590 there's something about our stats page that I showed him pod 1407 01:36:22,590 --> 01:36:26,370 ping dot watch. And he shit himself. He's like, polyfiber 1408 01:36:27,060 --> 01:36:30,240 like, I've never seen this before. Now he's, he's thinks 1409 01:36:30,540 --> 01:36:35,520 the way he sees it. Is that you guys have all the podcasts 3.8 1410 01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:38,340 million. You have all the podcasts, we have all the stats, 1411 01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:41,340 you know exactly what's new, where it's coming from? Is 1412 01:36:41,460 --> 01:36:46,560 that's that that's that's newsworthy. All right. All 1413 01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:46,740 right. 1414 01:36:47,070 --> 01:36:50,790 I'll do whatever it takes no problem. That's a lot of that. 1415 01:36:51,150 --> 01:36:54,360 They, you know, a lot of this manual curation too. So what, 1416 01:36:54,480 --> 01:36:59,850 what two things I do every day? is a look at the podcast, the 1417 01:36:59,850 --> 01:37:03,690 various podcast newsletters that come out. Yeah. But pardon us by 1418 01:37:03,690 --> 01:37:09,360 guests Business Journal, and see the new podcast announcements. 1419 01:37:09,690 --> 01:37:13,740 And I hand by hand, I check to make sure that the new shows 1420 01:37:13,740 --> 01:37:16,710 that are being announced are in there, if that are in in the 1421 01:37:16,710 --> 01:37:19,680 index, if at all possible. Okay, so there's a lot. Yeah, there's 1422 01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:23,730 a lot of that because you don't, people may not add them. So I'm 1423 01:37:23,730 --> 01:37:27,060 having to, you know, we may be three weeks before we find, you 1424 01:37:27,060 --> 01:37:30,660 know, find a new show. So I get it. I'm doing that by hands. A 1425 01:37:30,660 --> 01:37:33,570 lot of that's not just automated. And there's some 1426 01:37:33,570 --> 01:37:35,940 manual stuff, manual labor that has to go into that. 1427 01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:39,660 If you're listening to this podcast, and you'd like to value 1428 01:37:39,660 --> 01:37:45,240 enable your podcast, go to value for value.io value number four 1429 01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:52,170 value.io. And follow the yellow brick road. It should work for 1430 01:37:52,170 --> 01:37:55,530 you. Hey, Dwayne, talk about pod chasers API. What exactly does 1431 01:37:55,530 --> 01:37:58,680 pod chaser do? Are they a business? Or are they what is 1432 01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:02,220 their what is their VC backed 1433 01:38:03,300 --> 01:38:07,890 their VC back then? And they started as a way to do that? Is 1434 01:38:07,890 --> 01:38:11,280 that their business model VC backed is that our mission 1435 01:38:11,280 --> 01:38:15,000 statement? Our mission statement is to be VC backed. No, it's 1436 01:38:15,420 --> 01:38:19,140 I've talked to those guys before, Ben slinger and forget 1437 01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:24,510 at the CEOs name that we talked, I talked to him back when we did 1438 01:38:24,510 --> 01:38:29,730 the podcast taxonomy stuff, huh. And good. Seemed like great 1439 01:38:29,730 --> 01:38:35,970 guys, very distributed. Ben slinger, is in Australia. The 1440 01:38:35,970 --> 01:38:38,970 other guys named it's eluding me right now is in Hawaii. So 1441 01:38:38,970 --> 01:38:45,210 they're very far apart. But the their business started as like a 1442 01:38:45,540 --> 01:38:49,590 way to centralize reviews, podcast reviews and stuff. Oh, 1443 01:38:49,590 --> 01:38:52,650 right. Right. Right. Right, do attribution for guest 1444 01:38:52,650 --> 01:38:55,290 appearances and that kind of thing and sort of keep a 1445 01:38:55,290 --> 01:38:58,620 database of that, but they've, they've really grown into some 1446 01:38:58,620 --> 01:39:01,080 other data looks like they're, honestly, it looks like they're 1447 01:39:01,080 --> 01:39:04,230 trying to do everything. So I don't know exactly sure what the 1448 01:39:04,230 --> 01:39:09,000 focus is anymore. But I know, I know, they're VC backed. I'm 99% 1449 01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:09,750 sure of that. 1450 01:39:09,810 --> 01:39:12,870 And so their API, what does that does that offer something that 1451 01:39:12,870 --> 01:39:15,420 we like, or we can collaborate on? 1452 01:39:16,140 --> 01:39:19,650 Well, and I'd love to collaborate with with various 1453 01:39:19,710 --> 01:39:23,820 like, you know, we're, we got a sort of dialogue going on with 1454 01:39:23,820 --> 01:39:28,680 listen notes and stuff now to get over there yet. So any API's 1455 01:39:28,680 --> 01:39:32,010 and directories I would always love to sort of work with and 1456 01:39:32,010 --> 01:39:35,010 share info and all that stuff. I think this is really important. 1457 01:39:35,490 --> 01:39:39,420 I'm not sure. I don't know, I'm not sure how willing they are to 1458 01:39:39,990 --> 01:39:44,550 sort of, you know, get all get involved. But, I mean, they they 1459 01:39:44,550 --> 01:39:47,040 seem like they're on board with the namespace from what I can 1460 01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:50,340 tell they've been they've contributed a little bit that. 1461 01:39:51,540 --> 01:39:54,390 But I don't know, I mean, like there, I was gonna use their API 1462 01:39:54,390 --> 01:39:57,300 to do reverse lookups from to find it and iTunes ID from a 1463 01:39:57,300 --> 01:40:00,810 Feed URL. But then john Spurlock posted there. Terms of Service 1464 01:40:00,810 --> 01:40:04,410 and then it was like, they were like their terms of service said 1465 01:40:04,410 --> 01:40:09,450 basically No. No. Yeah, the term the terms were basically if 1466 01:40:09,450 --> 01:40:12,630 you're if you're using this to build a competing directory or 1467 01:40:12,630 --> 01:40:19,740 API get lost, so get lost in the fine print. It did not it was 1468 01:40:19,740 --> 01:40:23,400 not that specific wording, but he was pretty much like that. He 1469 01:40:23,400 --> 01:40:26,340 was the legal equivalent of gay laws. Excellent. All right. 1470 01:40:26,490 --> 01:40:30,480 basically say we're gonna ban you. Okay? That's a shame but 1471 01:40:30,570 --> 01:40:31,080 whatever. 1472 01:40:31,650 --> 01:40:37,260 What's on what's on deck for this for next week. Just 1473 01:40:37,260 --> 01:40:40,620 basically namespace stuff. Next week. Jake namespace and then 1474 01:40:40,620 --> 01:40:44,250 Miami. We're going to Miami. Oh, God, I can't next week, man. 1475 01:40:44,250 --> 01:40:48,000 Shit. That's that's Thursday. Oh, holy crap. Yeah, I gotta. I 1476 01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:52,800 gotta pack dude. Yeah, I got crap. The namespace Monday. 1477 01:40:53,850 --> 01:40:56,580 Monday, Tuesday. Well, I'm actually meeting. I'm just doing 1478 01:40:56,580 --> 01:40:59,100 another namespace Monday. 1479 01:41:01,110 --> 01:41:05,040 That was the next big hit. I got it. I'm going to jitsi meeting 1480 01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:08,040 with Brian of London. We're going to try to get some stuff 1481 01:41:08,040 --> 01:41:09,930 wrapped up with piping so we don't keep spamming the 1482 01:41:09,930 --> 01:41:13,680 mastodon. Alright, cool. And stuff like that. 1483 01:41:13,710 --> 01:41:18,810 How to work with Roy on some of this web ln web browser stuff. 1484 01:41:19,620 --> 01:41:23,100 Yeah, that sounds good. I'm glad. I'm glad that you're like, 1485 01:41:23,730 --> 01:41:27,090 doing all the lightning stuff because I feel overloaded. Oh, 1486 01:41:27,090 --> 01:41:27,330 yeah. 1487 01:41:27,330 --> 01:41:32,700 I mean, it's. And also you got to keep up with so much. What 1488 01:41:32,700 --> 01:41:36,030 changed? And you have to learn how to speed Listen, so it's not 1489 01:41:36,030 --> 01:41:39,810 an easy task. I'm doing the best I can here. Alright, my brother. 1490 01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:44,730 How about weekend plans? I think plan just trying to remove the 1491 01:41:44,730 --> 01:41:49,500 wretched smell from our house. Yeah, everybody makes sure you 1492 01:41:49,500 --> 01:41:53,100 see that picture. You need the podcasting 2.0 compatible app 1493 01:41:53,100 --> 01:41:56,340 form. And we will see you next Friday right here for 1494 01:41:56,340 --> 01:41:58,170 podcasting. 2.0 is board meeting. 1495 01:42:13,830 --> 01:42:18,450 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 visit podcast 1496 01:42:18,450 --> 01:42:22,560 index.com. For more information, go podcast 1497 01:42:25,380 --> 01:42:26,010 boost