1 00:00:00,450 --> 00:00:06,330 podcasting 2.0 for May 21 2021, Episode Number 38 don't feed the 2 00:00:06,330 --> 00:00:07,080 monkeys. 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:15,210 I know it's a gift. What can I tell everybody? It's time for 4 00:00:15,210 --> 00:00:18,750 the Friday board meeting of podcasting. 2.0 everything going 5 00:00:18,750 --> 00:00:22,230 on in podcast index.org and of course the mastodon podcast 6 00:00:22,230 --> 00:00:23,340 index dot social. 7 00:00:24,540 --> 00:00:28,200 Always fun to check in and have a very busy schedule today. I'm 8 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:32,130 Adam Curry in Austin, Texas and then Alabama. proud father of 9 00:00:32,250 --> 00:00:34,980 two daughters in the sun. My friend on the other end, Mr. 10 00:00:34,980 --> 00:00:36,120 Dave Jones. 11 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:42,090 Yeah, my 19 year old daughter just bought a motorcycle. 12 00:00:43,260 --> 00:00:45,270 This is what I mean. You're proud daddy. 13 00:00:46,500 --> 00:00:48,330 What did you get? What did you get? What kind of motors 14 00:00:48,330 --> 00:00:53,730 motorcycles you get? What power? Is she got a Honda CB 300. Wow. 15 00:00:54,210 --> 00:00:54,780 Yeah. 16 00:00:56,310 --> 00:00:57,810 Trying not to be terrified. 17 00:00:59,310 --> 00:01:02,850 Yeah, you probably will never get over that feeling. Oh, 18 00:01:03,510 --> 00:01:07,620 that's the that's the only thing I had with my daughter. One 19 00:01:07,620 --> 00:01:13,740 agreement was kind of a twofer. One is you can always call me if 20 00:01:13,740 --> 00:01:16,470 you need a ride and you know, whatever the state is, whatever, 21 00:01:16,470 --> 00:01:19,020 you know, whatever country whatever the issue is no 22 00:01:19,020 --> 00:01:23,790 questions asked. And the second one never ever get on anything 23 00:01:23,820 --> 00:01:26,040 with less than four wheels. 24 00:01:28,350 --> 00:01:31,290 And she's literally has said to people now. Oh, and also no hot 25 00:01:31,290 --> 00:01:34,260 air balloons. I told her that too. I said those things are 26 00:01:34,260 --> 00:01:37,980 dangerous. That's Yes. You know, land you control crashing that 27 00:01:37,980 --> 00:01:40,560 says Spoken like a true pilot. 28 00:01:41,970 --> 00:01:44,850 I've done a couple balloon fly. I have respect for those guys, 29 00:01:44,850 --> 00:01:48,810 but it's not my type of aviation. And she's kept to 30 00:01:48,810 --> 00:01:53,190 that. But man, the CB 300 that's a serious bike. It's it's 31 00:01:53,220 --> 00:01:57,750 considered like a you know, quote unquote, as, like a good 32 00:01:57,750 --> 00:02:00,660 learning bike. And I'm like, it's more than learn. I mean, 33 00:02:00,660 --> 00:02:03,690 it's to me, like a 125 or something. That's a learning 34 00:02:03,690 --> 00:02:08,310 bike. Yeah. That's like, is it fourstroke? It must be 35 00:02:08,310 --> 00:02:11,250 fourstroke. Right? Yeah. Yeah. It's like It's like a you know, 36 00:02:11,250 --> 00:02:15,030 crotch rocket looking thing. Yeah. And I'm, yeah, I saw it. 37 00:02:15,030 --> 00:02:18,390 And I was like, had this split brain because I'm kind of a 38 00:02:18,390 --> 00:02:21,510 motorcycle guy. On one end, you go like, Hey, man, I'd love to 39 00:02:21,510 --> 00:02:23,040 spin that on the dirt track. Yeah. 40 00:02:24,900 --> 00:02:28,080 And the other hand, you're getting on what? Yep, exactly. 41 00:02:28,140 --> 00:02:31,830 The dad in me is like, Oh, my God and the dude. And he's like, 42 00:02:31,830 --> 00:02:36,150 Man, that's cool. Yeah, I feel you there brother. I feel you 43 00:02:36,150 --> 00:02:39,600 there you went. Was it graduations this week, you had 44 00:02:39,750 --> 00:02:41,970 you had something going on with the kids. Not really 45 00:02:41,970 --> 00:02:44,190 graduations, but it's just in the school stuff. 46 00:02:45,660 --> 00:02:51,330 My kids go to a private school here in the in the city, in my 47 00:02:51,330 --> 00:02:56,640 was where my wife teachers. And so they have this thing every at 48 00:02:56,640 --> 00:02:59,640 the end of every school year. And we're just like, it's just a 49 00:02:59,640 --> 00:03:04,380 big celebration, essentially. So I'm still recovering from that 50 00:03:04,410 --> 00:03:07,440 on Wednesday. Oh, really. We they have a big school. It's a 51 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:11,310 small school. There's only like, roughly 100 kids to go there. So 52 00:03:11,310 --> 00:03:14,550 they have this thing. They have a huge game of capture the flag 53 00:03:14,910 --> 00:03:17,670 that they play with pretty much the whole school and parents can 54 00:03:17,670 --> 00:03:20,160 do it and everything. And of course, I just went you know, 55 00:03:20,370 --> 00:03:21,030 balls to the wall 56 00:03:23,700 --> 00:03:28,410 with a bunch of 18 and 19 year olds Dave, is that you? Okay? So 57 00:03:28,410 --> 00:03:30,660 your body's hurting is what you're telling me? Oh, I'm dying 58 00:03:32,010 --> 00:03:36,150 my legs. I mean, I get up the next morning now with hobbling 59 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,630 is funny because it's like me in this other guy who's in his 40s 60 00:03:39,900 --> 00:03:43,350 you know, we we all we just went all out against these. These 61 00:03:43,350 --> 00:03:47,640 teenagers. Were like he had a busted up knee. He's bleeding 62 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,630 and havlin I'm hobbling. You know, we're like, Yeah, not 63 00:03:51,630 --> 00:03:54,540 young anymore. No, well, I bring this up. Because sometimes 64 00:03:54,540 --> 00:03:57,480 people forget when they're, you know, when it's so easy to talk 65 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,920 about podcasting, and podcasts and podcast apps and hosting 66 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:05,160 companies forget that every single one of these these 67 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,490 entities is you know, there's blood, sweat and tears in there 68 00:04:08,490 --> 00:04:12,330 from real human beings who have families and jobs and other 69 00:04:12,330 --> 00:04:16,620 things to do. And so patience is always is always nice. Yeah, 70 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,740 totally 100% that's a good thing to always remember is when 71 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,020 there's people on the other side of all this stuff. 72 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:27,180 And so with that in mind, I'm now going to rip some people to 73 00:04:27,180 --> 00:04:29,040 shreds. Yes, please proceed. 74 00:04:31,500 --> 00:04:36,390 Well, a couple things dawned on me this past week, and I guess I 75 00:04:36,390 --> 00:04:39,780 just wasn't able and I'm gonna try and put it into words today 76 00:04:39,810 --> 00:04:43,710 to explain what I see happening and, and where things are going. 77 00:04:44,310 --> 00:04:47,910 So I checked out podcasting 1.0 you know, I went back in as you 78 00:04:47,910 --> 00:04:51,480 know, what's the what is uh, what is the standard podcast? 79 00:04:52,290 --> 00:04:55,650 Doing what what are people up to? And 80 00:04:56,910 --> 00:04:59,850 something that I think is very podcasting 1.0 81 00:05:00,390 --> 00:05:05,940 Is the am B's, the Academy, the podcast Academy Awards? I 82 00:05:05,940 --> 00:05:10,050 believe this was their first annual award show. Did you put 83 00:05:10,050 --> 00:05:12,930 our where's our ambia? Did you already do you put it on the 84 00:05:12,930 --> 00:05:16,200 mantel or Were you the one that they shipped you in the mail 85 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,990 window. I will say the statues are that were the best thing 86 00:05:18,990 --> 00:05:23,280 about the whole awards. Status quite pretty. statue is very 87 00:05:23,280 --> 00:05:24,810 pretty, pretty design. 88 00:05:25,890 --> 00:05:29,640 But I found this to be incredibly sad. The whole thing 89 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:34,260 was disheartening. First of all, production wise, everyone's 90 00:05:34,260 --> 00:05:38,760 trying to be nice in the podcast space. It was a piece of shit. 91 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,180 It was two cameras. There was not there was never one single 92 00:05:42,180 --> 00:05:44,940 close up that I don't think the cameras were even operated 93 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,810 reaction shot 14 people in a 30 by 30 soundstage. 94 00:05:49,860 --> 00:05:52,770 Let me stop you for say you people need to understand that 95 00:05:52,770 --> 00:05:57,120 you are a media. I mean, you spent your whole life in not 96 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,420 just in media, but in television. Yeah. So you I mean, 97 00:06:00,420 --> 00:06:04,830 you speak from 100% Oh, yeah, knowledge of how this all works. 98 00:06:04,860 --> 00:06:09,090 Yes. And I've been a part of award shows. And it was just it 99 00:06:09,090 --> 00:06:13,500 was very sad as a so called streaming event or telecast and 100 00:06:13,500 --> 00:06:14,850 I don't even I don't think that 101 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:20,340 the podcast Academy even understands that the Los Angeles 102 00:06:20,340 --> 00:06:24,630 Times you wrote up a piece before the event, it totally 103 00:06:24,630 --> 00:06:27,990 taking the piss out of the whole thing. Like, Oh, well, perhaps 104 00:06:27,990 --> 00:06:30,450 the podcasters will save the award shows. 105 00:06:32,910 --> 00:06:33,900 It's pretty pathetic. 106 00:06:34,980 --> 00:06:40,530 It's just the production. But but really what I saw was big 107 00:06:40,530 --> 00:06:41,880 technology companies 108 00:06:42,900 --> 00:06:47,430 and their content. That's all that it was. It was a full award 109 00:06:47,430 --> 00:06:52,530 show. Somehow we now have you know, what you and I do now 110 00:06:52,530 --> 00:06:52,980 we've been 111 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:58,710 demoted to indie, indie podcasting is podcasting. 112 00:06:58,710 --> 00:07:02,340 There's no, there's no indies in podcasting. So I reject that 113 00:07:02,340 --> 00:07:07,470 premise. But you know, based upon that terminology, I didn't 114 00:07:07,470 --> 00:07:11,250 see any Indies. In fact, this whole thing looked like a 115 00:07:11,250 --> 00:07:14,520 pathetic Star Search, all I missed was Ed McMahon to come 116 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:14,970 out and go. 117 00:07:16,230 --> 00:07:19,260 Because what has happened, and I just want everyone to understand 118 00:07:19,260 --> 00:07:24,210 with podcasting, 1.0, not a single person really cares about 119 00:07:24,270 --> 00:07:30,000 podcasting itself, the idea that there's an independent way to 120 00:07:30,300 --> 00:07:36,600 create and broadcast and receive whatever you want. Instead, this 121 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:40,200 has turned into an industry of people looking for ads, and 122 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:44,730 acquisition, and every piece of content, you have to understand 123 00:07:44,730 --> 00:07:47,610 Hollywood out of ideas, they've been out of ideas for a long 124 00:07:47,610 --> 00:07:51,720 time, they're also out of the job, because all of their movies 125 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:55,260 are now being streamed the new studios are Amazon, it is 126 00:07:55,260 --> 00:07:59,880 Netflix, and who's doing podcasting, Amazon, not forget 127 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:02,520 about an app or anything like they don't give a shit about 128 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,540 that. These guys are trolling for talent. They want to get 129 00:08:06,540 --> 00:08:09,900 great concepts, own that concept, own the talent, the 130 00:08:09,900 --> 00:08:13,020 writing talent in particular behind it, and then turn that 131 00:08:13,020 --> 00:08:17,160 into streaming. I would say video content is pretty much the 132 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:21,180 main thing. So the people who are at these awards are all 133 00:08:21,180 --> 00:08:23,940 based on or not all, but the majority based on investor 134 00:08:23,940 --> 00:08:24,390 money. 135 00:08:25,890 --> 00:08:29,160 And the promise of either huge ad, 136 00:08:30,270 --> 00:08:33,630 ad revenue, which I don't think anyone believes that everyone's 137 00:08:33,630 --> 00:08:37,860 kind of there to be acquired by Amazon or Netflix, or Google or 138 00:08:37,860 --> 00:08:41,760 Spotify. Or maybe there's some kind of special Apple deal that 139 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,750 you can get. So what what is happening there is it's just 140 00:08:45,750 --> 00:08:50,610 it's like, it's the farm team. It's like, okay, now all dance 141 00:08:50,610 --> 00:08:53,970 monkey boys and girls dance and do your little show. And whoever 142 00:08:53,970 --> 00:08:57,450 gets an award who you might get an offer from Spotify, you might 143 00:08:57,450 --> 00:09:00,600 go to the Joe Rogan things. Oh, you might be wondering mind 144 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,900 bringing an exclusive. It's all about hits. That's all that 145 00:09:03,900 --> 00:09:08,460 anyone and listen to the podcasting news or read it. It's 146 00:09:08,460 --> 00:09:12,840 all about you know who, which show went to which host. And, 147 00:09:13,230 --> 00:09:15,540 and oh, I know, this is fantastic. They got this guy 148 00:09:15,540 --> 00:09:18,780 from Apple, and he's now working at q code and they make top 149 00:09:18,780 --> 00:09:25,710 notch content. Sure, sure. But it's not it's really just trying 150 00:09:25,710 --> 00:09:29,640 to get to some other level. And no one's really focusing on 151 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:34,770 podcasting. Does that make sense? Oh, well, I think there's 152 00:09:34,770 --> 00:09:39,030 a bunch of stuff that confirms that, like read this article 153 00:09:39,060 --> 00:09:42,660 will say this is from May 17. Spotify wants to hire a 154 00:09:42,660 --> 00:09:45,780 Hollywood. This is the this is the headline. Spotify wants to 155 00:09:45,780 --> 00:09:50,040 hire a Hollywood vet to oversee its podcasting studios. Yeah, 156 00:09:50,490 --> 00:09:55,110 and Netflix. Netflix is hiring a podcast, a manager of all 157 00:09:55,110 --> 00:09:59,220 podcasts, Netflix, you know that, that I don't think many 158 00:09:59,220 --> 00:09:59,970 people be using 159 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:05,340 Netflix app to listen to any podcast. It's all about content 160 00:10:05,340 --> 00:10:09,690 acquisition for these guys. They don't give a shit no one cares 161 00:10:09,690 --> 00:10:13,410 about about the actual Spotify, because they kind of sold the 162 00:10:13,680 --> 00:10:16,380 the investment but based upon people using their app for 163 00:10:16,380 --> 00:10:19,260 podcasts, but everyone else, they just want the content and 164 00:10:19,260 --> 00:10:22,560 they out of ideas. Big tech doesn't actually know how to be 165 00:10:22,590 --> 00:10:26,130 creative that way. Well, they're like, I'm sorry, I can't show 166 00:10:26,130 --> 00:10:29,910 you. Like, a perfect example of them being out of I have been 167 00:10:29,940 --> 00:10:35,820 big tech, being out of ideas is the retread of Google Reader. 168 00:10:35,820 --> 00:10:39,690 This being baked into Chrome, as you know, like they've announced 169 00:10:39,690 --> 00:10:42,030 that a couple of days ago, that they're going to have a new 170 00:10:42,060 --> 00:10:45,780 Chrome is going to have a follow button. And you can follow RSS 171 00:10:45,780 --> 00:10:49,170 feeds. Right in right in the browser. Yeah. Okay. So when 172 00:10:49,170 --> 00:10:52,350 Lucy puts the football down, I don't run up anymore to kick it. 173 00:10:52,500 --> 00:10:56,700 Yeah, exactly. No way. No way that I want to talk. I want to 174 00:10:56,700 --> 00:11:00,210 talk about that separately. But but on one thing, I think that 175 00:11:00,210 --> 00:11:05,460 fits in with what you're talking about also is the and this is 176 00:11:05,460 --> 00:11:09,480 not this was not in the podcasting news, but is the at&t 177 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:10,800 discovery deal. 178 00:11:12,330 --> 00:11:12,690 Like 179 00:11:13,740 --> 00:11:20,550 that. That whole thing just proves that media is a train 180 00:11:20,550 --> 00:11:22,560 wreck right now. Big, big media. 181 00:11:23,610 --> 00:11:27,810 There's no pathway to any sort of, like these things aren't 182 00:11:27,810 --> 00:11:29,610 profitable anymore. It doesn't seem 183 00:11:30,660 --> 00:11:35,550 like I'm in the way that used to be, if anybody because so as you 184 00:11:35,550 --> 00:11:39,150 know, at&t is having to basically unwind all this stuff 185 00:11:39,150 --> 00:11:42,150 that they spent all this money on, you know, over the last was 186 00:11:42,150 --> 00:11:46,770 over 10 years. And then what happens if you go back? What's 187 00:11:46,770 --> 00:11:50,640 interesting is I was I was listening to some breakdown of 188 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:54,480 this. And they were talking about they said at the time, 189 00:11:54,690 --> 00:11:59,070 when the at&t Time Warner deal first first originated, it got 190 00:11:59,070 --> 00:12:01,440 so much pushback from the Federal Trade Commission, 191 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:06,120 because they were they were all concerned about it being 192 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,000 monopolist having the content and the pipes, which is the 193 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:13,020 dream, the dream of which they failed that consistently. Yeah. 194 00:12:13,020 --> 00:12:17,250 And it's not just I think the lesson is, it's not just a T and 195 00:12:17,250 --> 00:12:22,740 T's mismanagement that couldn't pull it off. It's not if there's 196 00:12:22,740 --> 00:12:29,640 something inherent in media that does not jive with tech. I don't 197 00:12:29,820 --> 00:12:34,440 understand fully what the what, what that means. But I don't 198 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:40,500 think they're, I think it's an unnatural partnership, that is 199 00:12:40,500 --> 00:12:42,420 never going to fully work. 200 00:12:44,550 --> 00:12:48,000 Maybe Netflix is the one that has gotten closest to it. But 201 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,780 they're only successful, they're really only successful shows, or 202 00:12:51,780 --> 00:12:55,350 when they just sort of wrote a check and let the media guys 203 00:12:55,350 --> 00:12:58,980 just do whatever they really wanted to do. Right? The tech 204 00:12:58,980 --> 00:13:02,910 trying to come in and manage it and make it more like efficient 205 00:13:02,910 --> 00:13:06,060 and all these kinds of like, that is just not I just don't I 206 00:13:06,060 --> 00:13:10,500 think it's a marriage made in hell. And any attempt to for big 207 00:13:10,500 --> 00:13:15,390 tech to take over media in some way, is just destined to fail. 208 00:13:15,870 --> 00:13:19,110 Well, that well, they're changing media. I would argue 209 00:13:19,110 --> 00:13:24,720 that the most successful form of media content is Tick Tock. 210 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,040 From now, that all depends on how you define success. 211 00:13:30,090 --> 00:13:36,570 The problem I have is all I hear is everybody looking at talking 212 00:13:36,570 --> 00:13:41,880 about big tech when it comes to podcasting. And it's so 213 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:43,050 disheartening. 214 00:13:44,190 --> 00:13:48,510 And here's the thing, there's a lot of interest and a lot of 215 00:13:48,540 --> 00:13:52,890 yearning for something new witness clubhouse. Oh my god, 216 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,830 every everyone's jizzing all over clubhouse, and then all of 217 00:13:55,830 --> 00:13:58,920 a sudden, guess what? Yeah, clubhouse doesn't no one cares. 218 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,550 Sucks. flash in the pan is gone. Of course. I think we said this 219 00:14:02,550 --> 00:14:05,340 from day one. This is not going to last. But if you would listen 220 00:14:05,340 --> 00:14:08,130 to everyone talk. Oh, yeah, we're gonna link into clubhouse 221 00:14:08,130 --> 00:14:10,830 clubhouse. That's where it's at. It's the future of podcasting. 222 00:14:10,980 --> 00:14:14,940 No, it's not. And that's kind of my point. I don't feel 223 00:14:14,940 --> 00:14:18,510 threatened by any of these podcasts and the N B's and 224 00:14:18,510 --> 00:14:21,840 academies and diversity and equity and boards of governors. 225 00:14:22,020 --> 00:14:24,630 That's fantastic. I have no problem whatsoever. 226 00:14:25,980 --> 00:14:30,510 But we have a responsibility to keep this part of it alive and 227 00:14:30,510 --> 00:14:34,170 going and not be something that Google resurrects 15 years from 228 00:14:34,170 --> 00:14:36,030 now and says Oh, yeah, remember this shit. 229 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:41,730 And, and I think that there's a big reckoning coming a big 230 00:14:41,730 --> 00:14:42,240 reckoning. 231 00:14:43,500 --> 00:14:48,300 Maybe I just see these things in a broader picture. But they're 232 00:14:48,300 --> 00:14:52,320 coming for your lunch. Okay? if you're if you're if you're 233 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:57,570 basing your your, your business on being a part of Spotify, and 234 00:14:57,570 --> 00:14:59,700 then getting some ads somewhere 235 00:15:00,870 --> 00:15:04,500 You're crazy. It is it is. 236 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:16,230 The whole advertising business of podcasting is built on a lie. 237 00:15:16,740 --> 00:15:21,180 It's a lie. We are not selling people listening, you're selling 238 00:15:21,180 --> 00:15:27,390 downloads. And in fact, where is the outrage over Apple's broken 239 00:15:27,390 --> 00:15:31,050 podcast app? It's not there. Oh, sure. There's a couple people 240 00:15:31,050 --> 00:15:33,600 posting. There's some news articles about it. But there's 241 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,380 no outrage. Shall I tell you why There's no outrage? I think it's 242 00:15:37,380 --> 00:15:39,930 because people have already moved to different ways of 243 00:15:39,930 --> 00:15:42,900 listening to podcasts, and the subscription just sitting in the 244 00:15:42,900 --> 00:15:46,710 background downloading on their on their Apple App, and they're 245 00:15:46,710 --> 00:15:50,790 not opening it anymore, because it doesn't update on time. And 246 00:15:50,790 --> 00:15:53,250 no, look, no one complained about I got maybe 247 00:15:54,660 --> 00:15:58,380 maybe four complaints total since they switched. And since 248 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:00,690 the no agenda show doesn't update, 249 00:16:01,830 --> 00:16:05,970 sometimes within a day, within a day for some people to have had 250 00:16:05,970 --> 00:16:10,230 four complaints. That tells me people are not using it. And 251 00:16:10,260 --> 00:16:14,370 only four out of me, you'll have like a million listed least. And 252 00:16:15,330 --> 00:16:19,320 newsflash, newsflash, everybody knows we fast forward through 253 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:24,120 the ads. It's not like a secret. The whole thing is flimsy built 254 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:30,390 on, on analyze. And so if no one is going to push hard, and I'm 255 00:16:30,390 --> 00:16:32,850 not and I'm not saying that people aren't, and especially in 256 00:16:32,850 --> 00:16:37,830 the hosting business, there's a couple of really strong players 257 00:16:37,830 --> 00:16:41,250 who are really working very hard to preserve what we have, and 258 00:16:41,250 --> 00:16:44,880 make sure that people still know that they can get an app I don't 259 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:49,530 hear podcasters saying, Hey, why don't you try out a new app? So 260 00:16:49,530 --> 00:16:53,070 get us on Apple, Spotify, wherever you get your podcast 261 00:16:53,070 --> 00:16:57,840 from? It's time to mention some names people, because you're 262 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,440 just gonna get swallowed up into nothingness. Good. Talk to the 263 00:17:01,470 --> 00:17:05,160 to the documentary, guys. They can't get on anymore. Right now. 264 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,260 Oh, it's free and open. Yeah, everything will be allowed on 265 00:17:07,260 --> 00:17:11,670 Apple. And believe me, coming soon. newsflash. You're not 266 00:17:11,670 --> 00:17:14,310 going to be you're going to be cut off. They'll be you'll just 267 00:17:14,310 --> 00:17:15,210 be cost. 268 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:21,900 And, and we need we need this ecosystem. So, you know, I know 269 00:17:21,900 --> 00:17:24,600 I'm preaching to the choir. And this is and we have, you know, 270 00:17:24,630 --> 00:17:25,500 going on 271 00:17:26,820 --> 00:17:30,780 more than a dozen apps that are now podcasting 2.0 and that are 272 00:17:30,870 --> 00:17:33,600 completely free of this crazy 273 00:17:35,190 --> 00:17:38,670 infrastructure that is collapsing in on itself into 274 00:17:38,670 --> 00:17:47,520 just a bucket of drivel. Yeah, the the podcast press is the 275 00:17:47,790 --> 00:17:51,690 Gosh, Dave's the endless Spotify, apple, Spotify. Apple 276 00:17:51,690 --> 00:17:55,500 is just like, it's beginning to just kind of drive me a little 277 00:17:55,500 --> 00:18:00,840 bonkers. I'm so I'm so tired of Spotify and apple in it. You 278 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:04,050 know, I mean, I get it. They're two big players and the past the 279 00:18:04,050 --> 00:18:07,350 past that has given to Apple is unbelievable. 280 00:18:08,370 --> 00:18:12,300 Well, I'm sure they'll get it all fixed this month. Oh, well, 281 00:18:12,540 --> 00:18:16,470 that's just Apple, they just don't communicate. It is no 282 00:18:16,470 --> 00:18:20,850 outrage. If we screwed up the index that bad we would have 283 00:18:20,850 --> 00:18:24,660 been written off after five minutes, and never never talked 284 00:18:24,660 --> 00:18:25,260 about again. 285 00:18:26,370 --> 00:18:29,910 But somehow they just keep going on and go in and go in and 286 00:18:29,910 --> 00:18:30,990 everybody's okay with it. 287 00:18:32,910 --> 00:18:34,740 If you want a glimpse, 288 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:37,950 I brought some clips. 289 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:44,460 In this, if you want a glimpse into what sort of big media, the 290 00:18:44,460 --> 00:18:48,480 big media future of podcasting would be. 291 00:18:49,980 --> 00:18:54,690 You can look at armchair experts, which is the latest you 292 00:18:54,690 --> 00:18:57,570 know, of course, we have to have a podcast that goes exclusive. 293 00:18:57,570 --> 00:18:59,730 Yeah, you have to mock them. So they're going they're going 294 00:18:59,730 --> 00:19:03,300 exclusive under the Spotify. No, it's no longer a podcast. It's 295 00:19:03,300 --> 00:19:07,740 just a it's a property. Yes, this Spotify property, okay. 296 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,340 Yeah, they are good. They are going going to go exclusive. And 297 00:19:11,340 --> 00:19:14,520 this is Derek shepherd. He's like an actor. I've never Oh, 298 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,100 yes, yes, yes. I did hear about this deal. Okay. 299 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:23,220 Let's see. Wait, what are we okay yeah, do for the first one 300 00:19:23,220 --> 00:19:26,790 just says armchair experts. So I've been cleaning my favorite 301 00:19:26,790 --> 00:19:30,360 COVID activity. I've been cleaning. Oh, what rooms Did you 302 00:19:30,360 --> 00:19:34,770 tackle? Oh my gosh, I've been working my way up from the 303 00:19:34,770 --> 00:19:38,760 basement. I'm now in the attic. Oh my goodness. So rarely soup 304 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:43,560 to nuts making lots of progress. Are you doing a Michelle Kondo 305 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:47,220 approach is that her name is Marie Kondo. Marie Kondo Are you 306 00:19:47,220 --> 00:19:49,710 like putting things out and seeing like, I love you or I 307 00:19:49,710 --> 00:19:52,290 don't love you? That whole thing? Wow, he's wacky. It's 308 00:19:52,290 --> 00:19:57,210 just a grad shop. Very wacky. That that's, that's your that's 309 00:19:57,210 --> 00:19:59,970 your feature of big media produced podcast. 310 00:20:00,510 --> 00:20:05,070 We're super clean. Nothing offensive. Everybody's on their 311 00:20:05,070 --> 00:20:08,130 best behavior. Yeah, everybody's gonna just barf all over each 312 00:20:08,130 --> 00:20:12,180 other. It's like top 40 radio. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. If that's what 313 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:17,100 if that's what you want from if that's what we want podcasting 314 00:20:17,100 --> 00:20:20,130 to be, then just just turn it over. Let's just turn it all 315 00:20:20,130 --> 00:20:24,210 over to the wondery. And I mean, and all these big companies that 316 00:20:24,210 --> 00:20:27,990 want to go exclusive and do exclusive deals, and parcast and 317 00:20:27,990 --> 00:20:30,060 all these things. That's that's what you're gonna get. You're 318 00:20:30,060 --> 00:20:34,020 getting. Here's a better example. Play armchair experts 319 00:20:34,020 --> 00:20:39,300 barf one, you have the most arresting blue eyes. They're so 320 00:20:39,300 --> 00:20:42,810 fucking beautiful. When I was watching the Hulu thing. I've 321 00:20:42,810 --> 00:20:46,200 got a really nice television. So I was getting it in 4k. And 322 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,930 they're so unbelievably beautiful. You have the most 323 00:20:48,930 --> 00:20:51,300 beautiful eyes sparkling Monica, would you agree with this 324 00:20:51,300 --> 00:20:57,480 assessment? Yes. Yeah. That is hilarious. Clinton. Oh, 325 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:02,790 okay. There's something to be said for that. 326 00:21:04,380 --> 00:21:07,140 I appreciate that. He did that. But you know, you could have 327 00:21:07,140 --> 00:21:10,980 said, Why? Why do I see nothing when I look in your eyes 328 00:21:13,530 --> 00:21:16,980 as just like, the whole this is the this is what you get with 329 00:21:16,980 --> 00:21:21,960 media, you get self importance. Yeah. And, and dribbling all 330 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,500 over each other. That's what it is. That's what award shows are. 331 00:21:25,590 --> 00:21:27,840 They're all just a band, bunch of people congratulating each 332 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,810 other for how great they are. And I mean, that's, that's what 333 00:21:30,810 --> 00:21:34,110 you're gonna get, it's highly produced, it's slick. And then 334 00:21:34,110 --> 00:21:39,960 you lose all of the beauty of what makes raw community driven 335 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:45,630 audio, what it's like what it what it is. And unlike you, I 336 00:21:45,630 --> 00:21:51,510 think the wrongness and the the unpolished of what podcasting is 337 00:21:51,510 --> 00:21:56,190 and has always been, is one of the reasons why it it is what it 338 00:21:56,190 --> 00:21:59,580 is today. It's not the the highly produced stuff that that 339 00:21:59,580 --> 00:22:03,660 has always been available. It's the this is the other side of 340 00:22:03,660 --> 00:22:10,260 that. And they're trying to just sort of wet wedge, the new tech, 341 00:22:10,260 --> 00:22:13,770 this market is sort of like a wedge a bunch of production 342 00:22:13,770 --> 00:22:17,160 value into it and turned it into just like this extra few billion 343 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,610 dollars that they can just tack on to it. Everybody wants to 344 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,100 wants to be acquired. I mean, that's, that's the bottom line. 345 00:22:23,130 --> 00:22:25,320 That's that's what the hits business is about. It's no 346 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,050 different than the record business, any of these big. In 347 00:22:28,050 --> 00:22:28,410 fact, 348 00:22:29,670 --> 00:22:33,000 Spotify knows exactly how this works. And you know, you have 349 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,130 your gimlets and stuff like that. And they're they're kind 350 00:22:35,130 --> 00:22:37,890 of the indie indie labels, and they get bought up and then 351 00:22:37,890 --> 00:22:41,580 those owners make out like bandits. And, you know, just 352 00:22:41,580 --> 00:22:44,130 just just look at who's at the top of Apple, you know, how do 353 00:22:44,130 --> 00:22:46,470 those guys get there, Jimmy Iovine and Dr. Dre. 354 00:22:47,940 --> 00:22:52,200 And then and then you just you have 100 things that you 355 00:22:52,260 --> 00:22:54,930 eventually just drop or pay no attention to? they dry up they 356 00:22:54,930 --> 00:22:58,320 go Trust me. I ran a podcast network. I raised a lot of money 357 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,720 to do it. I thought it would work. And I noticed Oh, wait a 358 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,080 minute, we're never gonna get brand advertisers ever. We have 359 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,500 no measurement system you can ay ay ay b me is all as often as 360 00:23:07,500 --> 00:23:11,310 you want. But it's downloads. It's a farce. It's fake. It's a 361 00:23:11,310 --> 00:23:15,960 lie. And it's an agreed to lie still alive. You have no idea 362 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,300 who's listening, it's probably a lot less than everybody then 363 00:23:18,300 --> 00:23:21,540 then people think. I think you're right about the app, the 364 00:23:21,540 --> 00:23:24,630 apple just downloading stuff in the background, mom's doing it. 365 00:23:24,930 --> 00:23:28,110 My at least three old phones that whenever they flip on they 366 00:23:28,110 --> 00:23:30,330 do that? Absolutely. Yeah, I know. 367 00:23:31,710 --> 00:23:36,420 I get the push notification, saying, Oh, you've got like six 368 00:23:36,420 --> 00:23:38,970 new episodes of this. And I always just flick it away. And 369 00:23:38,970 --> 00:23:42,030 it's been doing that for months and months. And only and it's 370 00:23:42,030 --> 00:23:45,810 funny thing about is that only use the apple podcast app to 371 00:23:45,810 --> 00:23:50,790 test, like download user agent stuff a couple of months ago, 372 00:23:50,820 --> 00:23:53,790 and ever since then, it's just been like downloading, 373 00:23:53,910 --> 00:23:57,990 downloading episodes. And desert registering as downloads from 374 00:23:57,990 --> 00:24:01,050 some for some show that I've never I've never even touched. 375 00:24:01,140 --> 00:24:04,710 You know, the the analogy for me, and it's particularly the 376 00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:08,010 press, and I understand, you know, it's trade press and trade 377 00:24:08,010 --> 00:24:11,010 press, the way it works in case people don't know, is you go to 378 00:24:11,010 --> 00:24:15,930 all the players in the industry and you say sponsor me, and then 379 00:24:16,260 --> 00:24:19,890 you report on everybody. And if it Now that doesn't mean that 380 00:24:19,890 --> 00:24:23,670 there's no actual reporting about non paying, non paying 381 00:24:23,670 --> 00:24:27,450 entities but, you know, obviously, the press releases 382 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,500 are being turned into news and that's just what it is. It's um 383 00:24:32,970 --> 00:24:33,390 you know, 384 00:24:34,650 --> 00:24:38,040 but it doesn't really mean that people are are getting any 385 00:24:39,300 --> 00:24:42,990 any real value or benefit from that other than here's what it's 386 00:24:42,990 --> 00:24:44,430 like TMZ 387 00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:48,930 You know, that's what I'm hearing from from just all these 388 00:24:48,930 --> 00:24:52,530 parties are about Oh, oh great new these guys and they merged 389 00:24:52,530 --> 00:24:54,870 with those guys and they're creating a new talent house. 390 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,940 Well, sure, that's fine, but you're talking about new 391 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,630 shows for big tech, you're not talking about podcasting. And 392 00:25:03,630 --> 00:25:07,980 there's so much and by its very nature, podcasting isn't really 393 00:25:07,980 --> 00:25:09,000 reportable story. 394 00:25:10,290 --> 00:25:11,190 But you know because 395 00:25:12,540 --> 00:25:15,060 what's great for one person is not going to work for another 396 00:25:15,060 --> 00:25:19,410 that's the beauty of it. But we really do need to focus I give 397 00:25:19,410 --> 00:25:23,640 some of these other apps I'm love people highlight one once 398 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,190 in a while do an interview. That's why I appreciate her gene 399 00:25:26,190 --> 00:25:29,250 so much. He interviewed everybody everyone that's doing 400 00:25:29,250 --> 00:25:35,070 something on the hosting side on the app side. And on the Bitcoin 401 00:25:35,070 --> 00:25:41,040 side, in in what are what are app developers get shit. The 402 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:45,540 only passed over? The only interview with Roy from breeze 403 00:25:45,570 --> 00:25:47,670 that I've heard is on 404 00:25:48,750 --> 00:25:51,930 is from the podcasting world. I mean, is from sir Jean. Yep, 405 00:25:52,290 --> 00:25:56,010 that's, that's it, Nova II. This is a brand new podcast app that 406 00:25:56,010 --> 00:25:57,420 allows it allows 407 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:03,570 micro payments in cryptocurrency. And nobody's 408 00:26:03,570 --> 00:26:06,570 interviewed in now, because everyone's afraid. And they 409 00:26:06,570 --> 00:26:09,960 don't want to step on toes and they want us to snuggle up to 410 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,320 the big boys so they can get their inside scoops and not be, 411 00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:16,140 you know, not be perceived as too radical. I know how it 412 00:26:16,140 --> 00:26:19,860 works. And I don't I don't blame anybody, but I do need to say 413 00:26:19,860 --> 00:26:23,310 it. Well, yeah, I need to say it. But what what did it sound 414 00:26:23,310 --> 00:26:28,440 like that? I'm sorry. That's, that's the Twitter guy. That's a 415 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,310 lot of guy. No, no, that's that's a different guy. Okay, 416 00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:33,330 Twitter, guys, different 417 00:26:34,350 --> 00:26:35,730 pillars, don't worry, he's coming. 418 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,040 He's late, he's lurking in your basement. So you know, and I'm 419 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,790 not even talking about the value for value stuff. Which, you 420 00:26:44,790 --> 00:26:51,480 know, is, is a way forward to keep everybody involved. And, 421 00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:55,920 and in the in the value flow. You know, and I know that these 422 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,980 things take a while for sure. And there's still a lot of 423 00:26:58,980 --> 00:27:02,280 hurdles and stumbling blocks. And I'm so proud of, 424 00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:07,110 you know, pod friend and breeze and Sphinx and pod station and 425 00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:11,400 Curio caster and pod verse and everyone who's taken some step 426 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,370 and put that stuff in and said, fuck it, you know, man, just try 427 00:27:14,370 --> 00:27:17,940 and do something here. And it's ugly, and it's it doesn't work. 428 00:27:17,940 --> 00:27:20,280 Right. And, you know, it's hard to set up. Let's put it that 429 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,450 way. It's definitely it's, but you know, that's, that's how 430 00:27:24,450 --> 00:27:26,910 podcasting started the first time we didn't learn all that we 431 00:27:26,910 --> 00:27:30,090 didn't know what to how to design, by Oh, and here's how it 432 00:27:30,090 --> 00:27:32,760 will work. Now we learned all these things on the fly. And I'm 433 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,450 so proud of that. I'm just really frustrated that I'm not 434 00:27:36,450 --> 00:27:38,640 getting any press. 435 00:27:40,050 --> 00:27:43,320 At least not pressed that I'm seeing about any of the apps, 436 00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:45,960 any of the hosting companies, any of the forward looking 437 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:51,300 things they're doing. You know, none of it. And that's just so 438 00:27:51,300 --> 00:27:54,720 disappointing. Now, we don't need the press, but I'm just I'm 439 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,730 just saying you guys are going to be shit out of luck. 440 00:27:58,350 --> 00:28:01,620 One day, you come in here, Hey, can we get a story like now you 441 00:28:01,620 --> 00:28:02,520 weren't there for us? 442 00:28:04,620 --> 00:28:05,910 That's a real Hollywood thing to do. 443 00:28:07,470 --> 00:28:08,640 Big I'm big fan of your work. 444 00:28:09,870 --> 00:28:14,610 Love Your Work, man. salutely. Love Your Work. And I would say 445 00:28:14,610 --> 00:28:18,600 that also, your cat things like I read the story about cat, your 446 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,590 casteau cast O's are cast as bought and bought, potent. The 447 00:28:22,590 --> 00:28:24,750 host is basically one host bought another host. 448 00:28:25,890 --> 00:28:28,680 And the thing that I thought of immediately with that, because I 449 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:33,540 just read the at&t Time Warner discovery thing is you have to 450 00:28:33,540 --> 00:28:37,260 be very careful when it comes to mergers and acquisitions. I 451 00:28:37,260 --> 00:28:39,690 mean, that's across the board, not just in podcasting, not just 452 00:28:39,690 --> 00:28:42,660 in media, mergers and acquisitions are not a thing 453 00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:48,990 that just works out. You can just you can see a long line of 454 00:28:48,990 --> 00:28:52,680 companies that have looked fantastic on paper for Merck for 455 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,190 a merger, and it's been a complete failure. Oh, yeah. 456 00:28:56,190 --> 00:29:00,510 Well, yeah, he is way more often than he succeeds. And Yahoo was 457 00:29:00,510 --> 00:29:03,840 basically the Whore of the media business has been bought and 458 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,710 sold so many times. And now it's lumped in with a whole bunch of 459 00:29:07,710 --> 00:29:10,800 other crap your 5 billion Take it or leave it. I guess I'm just 460 00:29:10,890 --> 00:29:13,440 I'm just warning, you know, sort of the podcast industry as a 461 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,320 whole that, you know, if you think your exit strategy is just 462 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,530 to find the right merger, I mean, yeah, maybe maybe the 463 00:29:19,530 --> 00:29:22,860 founder gets gets out with some cash. But as far as like the 464 00:29:22,860 --> 00:29:25,770 health of the industry, or the health of even the resulting 465 00:29:25,770 --> 00:29:29,070 companies that come out of that, you know, the stats are clear, 466 00:29:29,250 --> 00:29:34,860 mergers, fail more often than they succeed. And that that goes 467 00:29:34,860 --> 00:29:37,230 across all industries. So if you're trying, you're trying to 468 00:29:37,230 --> 00:29:42,870 form a healthier company, by through mergers, and that's not 469 00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:45,870 always the best strategy. And the same goes 470 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,330 there will be a 471 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,480 you know the hunger Winter is coming. 472 00:29:53,010 --> 00:29:56,010 And and here's how it plays out all these content are winter. 473 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,980 Yeah. All the all these 474 00:30:00,989 --> 00:30:05,549 All these content companies, if they don't produce enough hits, 475 00:30:05,609 --> 00:30:09,449 the funding will stop everyone goes home. That's just that's 476 00:30:09,449 --> 00:30:12,179 just how it's going to go. The 477 00:30:13,950 --> 00:30:17,970 really sweet raisins will be picked right out of the oatmeal. 478 00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:22,440 And if you're not one of them, you're done. And, and I've seen 479 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,020 this movie, this is this is how it's the thinking it's how it 480 00:30:25,020 --> 00:30:28,440 works. I did this, I was a part of it, so I can warn for it. 481 00:30:29,580 --> 00:30:33,600 But the thing with with podcasting, podcasting 2.0 is 482 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,780 that we don't really need press, this is the beauty of it, we 483 00:30:36,780 --> 00:30:37,500 don't need 484 00:30:38,700 --> 00:30:41,970 and we're not going to get it anyway. So what we need is for 485 00:30:41,970 --> 00:30:48,270 podcasters to tell their audience, their listeners to go 486 00:30:48,270 --> 00:30:52,770 check out some new podcast apps. And you know, gee, maybe try one 487 00:30:52,770 --> 00:30:55,380 or two years yourself. And then you can say, Hey, here's 488 00:30:55,380 --> 00:31:00,000 something you might want to try. Because it will keep this show 489 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,230 on the air, your show, insert your show name here. It cannot 490 00:31:04,260 --> 00:31:08,790 it cannot be taken down. And it has a lot of extra features. And 491 00:31:08,820 --> 00:31:14,640 it is a true independent nature distributed decentralized a 492 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:15,450 podcasting. 493 00:31:16,620 --> 00:31:20,790 And you need to ask your listeners to go and try some 494 00:31:20,790 --> 00:31:25,680 out. Also hosting companies, please consider promoting some 495 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,880 podcasts that are not Apple, Spotify, you know, Amazon, 496 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:35,340 Google, etc. When the apps to like, but I want the host I want 497 00:31:35,340 --> 00:31:39,180 the hosting companies to promote the apps. Yeah, in the in there 498 00:31:39,180 --> 00:31:42,360 like most hosting companies have newsletters and stuff they put 499 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:47,550 out on a regular basis, featuring a new, it doesn't even 500 00:31:47,550 --> 00:31:52,050 have to be a part of a value for value type app. Just some other 501 00:31:52,050 --> 00:31:56,520 in independent app is not not owned by the big does exist your 502 00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:01,500 downcast you know overcast pod friend. I mean, any of the you 503 00:32:01,500 --> 00:32:07,440 know, cast, Curio cast or any of the the the apps pod versus a 504 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,120 fantastic app, like some, 505 00:32:10,290 --> 00:32:13,890 like promote some of these independent apps. And that way 506 00:32:13,890 --> 00:32:17,850 it Yeah, I think the holsters needed to promote that as well. 507 00:32:17,850 --> 00:32:21,930 Absolutely. Because that that that shores up their business, 508 00:32:22,050 --> 00:32:26,730 but what I hear some hosting companies doing is just sitting 509 00:32:26,730 --> 00:32:31,500 back, like, Oh, yeah, I'm selling some ads. I update the 510 00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:34,350 Spotify feed. You know, it's all separate. By the way. It's all 511 00:32:34,350 --> 00:32:37,800 backroom deals. He said, conspiratorially. 512 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:44,940 Yeah, you are? Yeah, there's some kind of deal of Spotify 513 00:32:44,940 --> 00:32:47,370 removes a you have to remove I'm not quite sure how it works. But 514 00:32:47,370 --> 00:32:49,740 there's, there's, there's all kinds of stuff in the works, 515 00:32:49,890 --> 00:32:54,930 which is fine. But please, promote save yourself. Because 516 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,850 what I saw was a couple days ago with an bees does not bode well 517 00:32:59,850 --> 00:33:03,480 for anybody. If that's the path you want to follow. I'm out I'm 518 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,000 stick I'm just gonna stay over here. And we'll just keep on 519 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,230 plugging away. Keep on plugging away. And part of what we're 520 00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:11,100 doing to, 521 00:33:12,180 --> 00:33:14,910 to really make it that much better. I mean, we have to live 522 00:33:14,910 --> 00:33:19,350 up to the 2.0. Name is is pod ping, which I think is now in 523 00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:24,300 full blown full production. It's a fantastic story, because it 524 00:33:24,300 --> 00:33:27,210 uses the hive blockchain in a in a very, 525 00:33:28,650 --> 00:33:32,400 I think a manner that was never really thought of for for 526 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:40,350 blockchain usage. And it's working like crazy. Yeah. It's 527 00:33:40,410 --> 00:33:43,950 now we need to get adoption, I guess, where are we at with that 528 00:33:43,950 --> 00:33:47,370 just just to explain, very simply, 529 00:33:48,510 --> 00:33:49,620 instead of 530 00:33:51,330 --> 00:33:54,960 a whole bunch of servers and applications and companies 531 00:33:55,170 --> 00:33:59,760 getting RSS feeds with high regularity. And not always doing 532 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:04,740 it nicely, sometimes doing more than just a header request. 533 00:34:06,030 --> 00:34:10,380 It's just incredible. It's actually it's it's killing the 534 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,950 climate. It's it's really creating global warming, the 535 00:34:13,950 --> 00:34:18,060 amount of of crawlers that are out there, pulling RSS feeds. 536 00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:23,760 And then also, it's complicated. And this is part of the problem 537 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,660 that popped up with Apple's changes. They switch their 538 00:34:27,660 --> 00:34:31,050 system. And so now it can take quite a while before your 539 00:34:31,050 --> 00:34:34,710 podcast feed is updated. And we decided to change that with at 540 00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:38,400 least the hosting companies that were interested in. I think we 541 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,600 have a couple of the big ones on board. So they are now in 542 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,560 essence any podcasting 2.0 app will update, probably within a 543 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,310 10 second window of that show being uploaded. Is that about 544 00:34:50,310 --> 00:34:53,220 right? It's a little it's a little bit longer than that. Oh, 545 00:34:54,030 --> 00:34:59,430 yeah. It's about 40 seconds. Okay. So, um, yes, I think well, 546 00:34:59,610 --> 00:34:59,970 what 547 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,230 have been missing is, or what we have been missing is just sort 548 00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:10,140 of a succinct explanations be of soup to nuts of how, of just the 549 00:35:10,140 --> 00:35:12,510 gist of what this thing is because you know, something 550 00:35:12,510 --> 00:35:16,260 sound by double, so to speak. And so I'm going to, I'm going 551 00:35:16,260 --> 00:35:19,440 to do that or attempt to do that, and 552 00:35:21,420 --> 00:35:23,070 what pod ping is, 553 00:35:24,510 --> 00:35:27,630 and I'm gonna leave, I'm gonna leave that all the web sub, all 554 00:35:27,630 --> 00:35:32,670 that I'm gonna leave that all that talk, okay, pod pain is a 555 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,680 marriage of two pieces of software. It's a web front end 556 00:35:37,710 --> 00:35:42,090 that accepts GET requests with a URL parameter with the feet, 557 00:35:42,300 --> 00:35:47,610 where that's where you're gonna put the Feed URL and a script 558 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,460 that writes to the hub and writes those URLs to the hive 559 00:35:50,460 --> 00:35:51,120 blockchain. 560 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,650 The web front end accepts the URLs from the host. 561 00:35:57,210 --> 00:36:00,990 And it passes them to the to the hive writer script, which writes 562 00:36:00,990 --> 00:36:03,660 them to the hive blockchain. At that point, anybody can be 563 00:36:03,660 --> 00:36:07,620 looking at the hive blockchain to get these updates. Yes. And 564 00:36:07,620 --> 00:36:11,790 so that that is, in a sense, there's a downloadable package 565 00:36:11,790 --> 00:36:14,790 where you can run your own pod paying node, a full node, just 566 00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:19,200 like we run. Oh, sexy. Yeah, yeah, anybody can run this. But 567 00:36:19,500 --> 00:36:24,840 I mean, it's not super useful to you at this point. So the 568 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,830 confusion a little bit come to comes in. In this we saw this 569 00:36:29,010 --> 00:36:33,000 sort of bemrose was on the mastodon asking about it, 570 00:36:34,110 --> 00:36:38,130 is he said, Well, this is just this sounds like just another 571 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,760 way to you know, another centralized system. Because 572 00:36:41,940 --> 00:36:45,420 where the hosting companies are now sending their pings are is 573 00:36:45,420 --> 00:36:53,130 to pod pain, cloud, that's the URL. And as of right now, yes, 574 00:36:54,420 --> 00:36:57,690 it is. Everything goes to one central place. Now, it's not one 575 00:36:57,690 --> 00:37:02,040 server. Currently, there are three servers, all load 576 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,260 balanced. There's one in the United States in Atlanta. 577 00:37:04,260 --> 00:37:07,200 There's one in Frankfurt, Germany for Europe. And there's 578 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,920 one in Sydney, Australia. Oh, Frankfurt one. Is that next to 579 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,590 the Dominion? voting voting machine. 580 00:37:15,270 --> 00:37:17,910 Okay, yeah, that's how you choose the next president as you 581 00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:19,590 listen to a podcast. 582 00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:26,670 So the there's they're spread out all over the globe, and 583 00:37:26,670 --> 00:37:28,800 they're load balanced geographically. So that, you 584 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,860 know, if you're painting from one place you get to the closest 585 00:37:31,860 --> 00:37:38,850 server. So not technically centralized, but I still get 586 00:37:38,850 --> 00:37:43,530 done. I get the vibe, okay. But anybody can tie into the 587 00:37:43,530 --> 00:37:46,470 blockchain isn't isn't you know, it's no secret. You can, you can 588 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,760 just start scanning for those feeds. And you're good to go. 589 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,610 You just you can update which and so that's highly 590 00:37:53,610 --> 00:37:57,810 decentralized. Yeah, as an apple could use this at any moment 591 00:37:57,810 --> 00:38:01,230 whenever they want to. They can use it right now. Yeah, we are 592 00:38:01,230 --> 00:38:03,900 using it right now. So that the thing that we did this morning 593 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:12,510 is I turned off polling for buzzsprout and RSS Comm. 594 00:38:14,430 --> 00:38:16,860 They're all in there updating is full time. That's that's like 595 00:38:16,890 --> 00:38:18,660 the two biggest guys out there is not 596 00:38:19,710 --> 00:38:22,950 yet so RSS. Albert Alberto. 597 00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:29,700 You know who he's he's famous for writing the paper on, 598 00:38:30,030 --> 00:38:34,440 essentially, the academic paper on sex robots. We interviewed 599 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,910 him on the show. Yes. He is evidently trying to get as he's 600 00:38:38,910 --> 00:38:40,500 trying to make the front page of Drudge Report. 601 00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:45,780 Robots are coming. Now he that he 602 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:51,060 he mailed and said, He's like, we got it up and running. We're 603 00:38:51,060 --> 00:38:54,060 pinging y'all. So they were the first company to start sending 604 00:38:54,060 --> 00:38:59,220 pings to piping. And it just started flowing. Beautiful. look 605 00:38:59,220 --> 00:39:02,970 great. Tom Ross, he hit me up, you know, a little while later 606 00:39:02,970 --> 00:39:06,180 said, Hey, are you ready for us to start sending? I said, Yeah, 607 00:39:06,180 --> 00:39:10,710 go ahead. He started sending. So now we got RSS calm, and 608 00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:13,500 buzzsprout, both sending every time somebody on one of their 609 00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:17,100 platforms, publishes a new episode or changes the feed the 610 00:39:17,100 --> 00:39:22,410 info in their feed, it sends a it sends a ping to the piping 611 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:27,840 cloud says eautiful. And so from the moment that they ping us, 612 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:34,110 to the time when we get that new episode into our database, and 613 00:39:34,110 --> 00:39:38,100 it shows up on the site and to all of our apps is about 40 614 00:39:38,100 --> 00:39:39,750 seconds, on average. 615 00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:48,330 That means and so the the chain is like this RSS com. Since 616 00:39:48,330 --> 00:39:50,280 paying with the URL, 617 00:39:51,450 --> 00:39:58,080 the URL gets put into a into a queue on our side. After fifth 618 00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,970 every 15 seconds. The queue is 619 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:06,600 dumped to the right to the hive writer script, which writes 620 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:12,120 those attempts, which queues them itself for a few seconds to 621 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,570 save up enough to try to get a bunch of URLs in the same block, 622 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:22,200 right? It then writes all those URLs to the current block. Then 623 00:40:22,980 --> 00:40:27,870 at that point, it's on the chain. So that process can take 624 00:40:28,380 --> 00:40:33,180 20 to 25 seconds, outrage, typically, total total effort. 625 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,530 The so that, at that point, 626 00:40:38,670 --> 00:40:43,620 you everybody out there, who is running the hive, watch your 627 00:40:43,620 --> 00:40:47,820 script, you can go to, you can go our, if you look at our 628 00:40:47,850 --> 00:40:50,820 podcast index organization on GitHub, you'll see the pod pink 629 00:40:50,850 --> 00:40:53,760 cloud repo and all this code is in there. It's all open source. 630 00:40:55,140 --> 00:40:58,860 You anybody who's running the hive watcher script. And you can 631 00:40:58,860 --> 00:41:03,060 do this right now you can go download the clone the repo, and 632 00:41:03,060 --> 00:41:08,130 then run the simple dash watcher dot p y script is a Python 633 00:41:08,130 --> 00:41:11,850 script, the instructions on how to do it are on the repo README, 634 00:41:12,210 --> 00:41:16,500 run that script. And what you'll start seeing is just a constant 635 00:41:16,530 --> 00:41:20,910 firehose of feed URLs, printing one line at a time across your 636 00:41:20,910 --> 00:41:21,390 screen. 637 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:29,220 So as soon as those URLs are written to the hive blockchain, 638 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,210 everybody in the world is this running hive watcher script. 639 00:41:33,810 --> 00:41:37,410 will see those pop up on their screen as it's reading from the 640 00:41:37,410 --> 00:41:40,590 most current block of the blockchain. Yeah, it's super 641 00:41:40,590 --> 00:41:45,750 sexy, man. I'm gonna put this, put a link to the GitHub. Okay, 642 00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:49,770 yeah, in the show notes for this. Yeah. So what we what I 643 00:41:49,770 --> 00:41:53,370 did on my side, but took, I've just taken the simple watcher 644 00:41:53,370 --> 00:41:58,410 script, and piped it, it's this is literally just a screen 645 00:41:58,410 --> 00:42:03,300 session right now on on one of our utility servers, taking just 646 00:42:03,300 --> 00:42:09,330 one simple watcher pipe into a simple PHP script that just 647 00:42:09,330 --> 00:42:14,460 looks for a URL to show up in the pipe, and marks it in the 648 00:42:14,460 --> 00:42:17,700 database for immediate for immediate polling. So for the 649 00:42:17,730 --> 00:42:23,850 team at Apple, that is the pod ping GitHub repo, it's in the 650 00:42:23,850 --> 00:42:30,390 show notes. You can use the watcher, it will save you a lot 651 00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:32,340 of pain. Yes. 652 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,470 You can, you can stop, you can stop polling buzzsprout and RSS 653 00:42:37,500 --> 00:42:41,910 calm today, right now, as we speak, yet, we already did it 654 00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:45,000 and it's working great. I mean, you know, and we no longer pull 655 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,500 them. And that would that would save so much hassle and, and 656 00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:55,050 pain and and money, quite frankly. and kept captivate I 657 00:42:55,050 --> 00:42:58,710 heard from Kiran. And he emailed me and said, Yeah, we're all on 658 00:42:58,710 --> 00:43:03,870 board with this. And so he I sent him a posting key, an 659 00:43:03,870 --> 00:43:06,900 authorization token. And so he'll he said within the next 660 00:43:06,930 --> 00:43:09,450 couple of days, he's going to have that into their system. And 661 00:43:09,450 --> 00:43:13,230 then we'll we'll start pulling them to everybody who wants any 662 00:43:13,230 --> 00:43:17,700 hosting company who wants to get on board with this. Just email 663 00:43:17,700 --> 00:43:20,190 me, I'll send you an authorization token. This is all 664 00:43:20,190 --> 00:43:24,630 still technically in beta. But it's completely stable so far. I 665 00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:29,430 mean, we've seen very, very few quirks with this thing. And I 666 00:43:29,430 --> 00:43:32,310 just I just love watching the 667 00:43:34,830 --> 00:43:39,270 pod ping God watch. Yeah, that's a cool, cool app. Yeah. Oh, my 668 00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:43,320 God, it's just you just sit there all day? Yeah. Oh, look at 669 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,530 this. And I Oh, let me push into that one. And I will say that 670 00:43:46,530 --> 00:43:48,840 there's a lot of disappointment often when you click on some 671 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:49,080 things. 672 00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:58,320 But often, it's so surprising, you know, and that's just what 673 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:03,150 it is. in use, it's a great way to fund new feeds like CRISPR I 674 00:44:03,150 --> 00:44:06,270 seen it, he was like, yeah, there's a bunch of these feeds 675 00:44:06,270 --> 00:44:09,810 that are not in the index. And he's so he of course, like he 676 00:44:09,810 --> 00:44:12,630 always he immediately just starts grabbing, he starts fish, 677 00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:15,390 netting those things and feeding them back into the index. So the 678 00:44:15,390 --> 00:44:17,670 word cat, you know, capturing things that we didn't we didn't 679 00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:21,900 have before. But anyway, that's that's the that's the whole 680 00:44:21,900 --> 00:44:26,700 system front to back. Now, if you're independent, how do you 681 00:44:26,730 --> 00:44:30,420 participate in this? Can you can you review request 682 00:44:32,070 --> 00:44:36,360 access to to post your ping to ping your post? 683 00:44:38,010 --> 00:44:40,950 Okay, to post your ping to pod the. 684 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,620 So that's the second part of this. That's the part that damn 685 00:44:46,620 --> 00:44:49,200 Rose was misunderstand or not, excuse me, he's not 686 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,080 misunderstanding, it just has not been expressed properly. 687 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:58,290 So, the beginning of this is, obviously there's no there's an 688 00:44:58,290 --> 00:44:59,970 alpha stage and then a beta stage. 689 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,760 Where we try to make sure everything is stable and works 690 00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:08,490 in in order, I think that at the end of this thing, we're going 691 00:45:08,490 --> 00:45:10,920 to end up with a hybrid approach. So there's going to 692 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:16,260 be, there's going to be popping cloud. And to send request to 693 00:45:16,260 --> 00:45:19,770 pod bean cloud, you need an authorization header that you 694 00:45:19,770 --> 00:45:24,210 can include in your GET request for that, and and for that, you 695 00:45:24,210 --> 00:45:27,090 just need you need to email me, I'll send you one, it takes two 696 00:45:27,090 --> 00:45:27,630 seconds. 697 00:45:29,370 --> 00:45:32,250 They should put you there, you should put that in the docs. 698 00:45:32,820 --> 00:45:33,810 Yeah, I will, I will. 699 00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:38,760 And the other part is going is 700 00:45:39,870 --> 00:45:43,200 for independent host people that run their own cell phones, yes, 701 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,500 because I soon will be a cast apob user, so I'm fully 702 00:45:46,500 --> 00:45:48,780 expecting to be able to ping from there. 703 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:56,400 So that is, what you need for that is not the full pod pain 704 00:45:56,430 --> 00:46:01,110 cloud software. Ah, what you need is just the hive writer 705 00:46:01,110 --> 00:46:05,520 script, you just need the script that writes something to write a 706 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,960 URL to the hive blockchain in the proper format. The trick, 707 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:14,370 though, is you need a set of hive posting keys, you need an 708 00:46:14,370 --> 00:46:18,330 all you need an account within the hive system, or excuse me a 709 00:46:18,330 --> 00:46:21,420 set of a set of keys. That right there. 710 00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:27,180 So why why why wouldn't cast a pod just hit the hit the URL, 711 00:46:27,780 --> 00:46:32,490 like the hosting companies are? Well, because they every every 712 00:46:32,490 --> 00:46:36,090 step, every app would need their own authorization. Right? Right. 713 00:46:36,090 --> 00:46:39,570 Right. I understand. Okay. Yeah. And it's much more fit at that 714 00:46:39,570 --> 00:46:42,630 point. And then it's easier for them to just put that in there. 715 00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:45,840 And with some instructions on how to get your, your key and 716 00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,240 your, your high your hive treats, or 717 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,780 whatever, whatever things you need over there, which 718 00:46:52,110 --> 00:46:54,600 apparently is not all that hard. It's just I haven't looked at 719 00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:59,190 it. And the see the end that solves the decentralization 720 00:46:59,190 --> 00:47:03,090 part. So when everybody themselves are writing to the 721 00:47:03,090 --> 00:47:06,630 hive blockchain, then you're truly decentralized. Yes, 722 00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:10,290 piping, cloud will still exist for you know, big hosting 723 00:47:10,290 --> 00:47:13,200 companies and this kind of thing. But when other when 724 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:17,790 everybody themselves are writing to to the hive chain, then then 725 00:47:17,790 --> 00:47:20,310 you'd have a truly decentralized system. And that's the way this 726 00:47:20,310 --> 00:47:23,520 thing eventually evolves into being decentralized. We just, 727 00:47:23,580 --> 00:47:26,490 it's just too much trouble right now to figure all that out. That 728 00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,600 that will be step two, down down the line. And I want people to 729 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,420 actually start playing around with him figure it out now, like 730 00:47:33,420 --> 00:47:38,220 Andy layman, he's, you know, he's, he said he, you know, is 731 00:47:38,220 --> 00:47:41,250 gonna look into it, he may end up coding up something, I think 732 00:47:41,250 --> 00:47:46,620 it's gonna, I think it would be very simple to do. And the so 733 00:47:46,650 --> 00:47:47,910 the tricky part is, 734 00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,200 in order to have some sense of, 735 00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:01,200 I don't know what you would call it authority, or trust adness. 736 00:48:02,370 --> 00:48:06,240 On the chain, then the hive watcher script, 737 00:48:07,260 --> 00:48:10,020 begins to what it expects 738 00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:17,100 is for everything to be coming from our account. So our account 739 00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,000 is the one that is posting, right, all of these URLs. Right, 740 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:25,020 right, right. So the hive watcher, the watcher script on 741 00:48:25,050 --> 00:48:28,680 that everybody's runs on their machine expects all these URLs 742 00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:35,760 to be coming from either that account, or accounts that we 743 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,640 have delegated to as authorized. 744 00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:47,310 So let's just say that bemrose, or Andy wants to post directly 745 00:48:47,310 --> 00:48:50,430 to the hive blockchain from their WordPress installs or 746 00:48:50,430 --> 00:48:52,500 whatever, I'm not sure what what bemrose is running, 747 00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:55,650 they would need to have posting key. 748 00:48:56,730 --> 00:49:02,130 And we would need to milk soda, so called bless, we would need 749 00:49:02,130 --> 00:49:06,330 to bless their key. And but by following it, what they call 750 00:49:06,330 --> 00:49:11,040 following on high, once we follow that key, that account, 751 00:49:11,070 --> 00:49:13,980 then it's good to go. Then the hive watcher script begins to 752 00:49:13,980 --> 00:49:18,810 include all the URLs they post in the output. And it's just an 753 00:49:18,810 --> 00:49:23,970 anti spam mechanism is right. Right, right. So that's, that's 754 00:49:23,970 --> 00:49:27,600 how that will work. And so what we need is we need a way, we 755 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:33,030 will need some way to figure out how to, like, bless this. And 756 00:49:33,900 --> 00:49:36,090 Alice gates wrote a really good article. I don't know if you 757 00:49:36,090 --> 00:49:39,420 read it, Yes, I did. Another thing I need to put a link to. 758 00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:48,540 And he goes in depth about how this sort of rapid block rapid 759 00:49:48,540 --> 00:49:54,030 blockchain technology is going to help things in many different 760 00:49:54,030 --> 00:49:59,910 ways. One of the things he touches on is it you know, that 761 00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,329 That you can go ahead and post to the chain. 762 00:50:04,620 --> 00:50:10,830 Even if you are not kind of blessed by us, you can, you can 763 00:50:10,830 --> 00:50:13,590 just do it you can you can get some high posting keys and start 764 00:50:13,590 --> 00:50:17,970 writing to the hive blockchain, your own custom URL custom JSON 765 00:50:18,060 --> 00:50:21,870 blobs with these URLs in the hive watcher script out of the 766 00:50:21,870 --> 00:50:24,930 box is not initially going to see those, it's going to ignore 767 00:50:24,930 --> 00:50:33,180 them. But other software can be born or other people can just 768 00:50:33,300 --> 00:50:37,290 begin to watch broader things that they trust. But it doesn't 769 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:41,400 all depend on us. Right? You know, it this is this is a 770 00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:47,550 decentralized thing. And with decentralization comes sort of a 771 00:50:47,550 --> 00:50:48,930 slow motion. 772 00:50:50,310 --> 00:50:54,330 decentralizing thing is it things is, is a slow motion 773 00:50:54,600 --> 00:51:00,150 process, this kind of this sort of friction based, like you 774 00:51:00,570 --> 00:51:03,840 people, you have to figure out the best ways that these things 775 00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,980 work, you don't have the benefit of having somebody come in and 776 00:51:07,980 --> 00:51:10,860 just tell you from the very beginning, this is the way all 777 00:51:10,860 --> 00:51:15,420 this systems gonna work done. That's not how open source and 778 00:51:15,420 --> 00:51:20,940 freedom works. freedom works through a process of discovery 779 00:51:20,940 --> 00:51:24,480 and exploration. But also freedom always requires a little 780 00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:28,710 extra effort. Yes, exactly. Yeah. The Alex gates 781 00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:34,140 article is called podcasting 2.0 the last mile, and it's linked 782 00:51:34,140 --> 00:51:37,530 in the show notes. It's a very good read. Very good read. And 783 00:51:37,530 --> 00:51:41,460 I'd like to challenge both blueberry and Lipson. I was 784 00:51:41,460 --> 00:51:45,990 listening to the new media show this morning. And they were for 785 00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:51,270 lack of a better word bitching about apples polling, and how 786 00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:53,640 many times it's hitting the server or not, or how 787 00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,510 ineffective it is. And they both literally said, Oh, if only 788 00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:59,850 there were a way we could just ping you Apple, and then you 789 00:51:59,850 --> 00:52:01,560 know about it? Well, 790 00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:08,160 unless they consider podcasting 2.0 and the more than 10 apps 791 00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:14,520 that are currently using these protocols, if you think that 792 00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,370 they're lesser than Apple, then for sure, you know, let us just 793 00:52:17,370 --> 00:52:20,790 continue to pull you or why don't you ping us? It's very 794 00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:24,390 simple. You can do it today. And we could stop polling, and it 795 00:52:24,390 --> 00:52:27,690 would it would put a real stake in the ground. I know that 796 00:52:27,690 --> 00:52:31,470 they're just unaware because they're really busy. Well, then 797 00:52:31,500 --> 00:52:34,680 I heard. I haven't I don't know if there's been an issue. But I 798 00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,500 heard on the previous episode of The New Media show that 799 00:52:38,670 --> 00:52:42,960 one of the comments today. Okay, well, the previous episode, Rob 800 00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,020 had mentioned pod pain to Todd and he said, Yeah, we'll be glad 801 00:52:46,020 --> 00:52:48,660 to start pinging them. So they have no problem with it. I just 802 00:52:48,660 --> 00:52:51,540 haven't reached out to him yet. Okay, so I know at least 803 00:52:51,540 --> 00:52:53,970 blueberry will start. I'm not sure you know, that lives in 804 00:52:53,970 --> 00:52:58,320 that. I hope they will, too. It's so easy. Like, you could 805 00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,540 just and we can do something forward. 806 00:53:01,740 --> 00:53:04,620 I mean, I don't know how many times we're pulling their feeds. 807 00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:13,380 Who knows? Who knows? I got no idea. But all I know is if it 808 00:53:13,380 --> 00:53:16,500 feels so good to just go into the aggregator and just 809 00:53:16,500 --> 00:53:21,600 basically just cut off the you know, 100,000 feeds. Oh, 810 00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,940 beautiful. And you say we're just not going to check them 811 00:53:23,940 --> 00:53:27,390 anymore? Nope. Don't have to it always tell us yeah, it all 812 00:53:27,390 --> 00:53:30,240 works is beautiful. Yeah. Oh. 813 00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:32,550 Speaking of new media shoe. 814 00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:35,640 I thought this was a good shoe. 815 00:53:37,980 --> 00:53:42,960 Ad advertising one. erectile dysfunction is a big category 816 00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:44,730 being advertised in podcast right now. 817 00:53:46,110 --> 00:53:50,490 Hmm. Okay. It is. It's huge. Yeah, I talked about this no 818 00:53:50,490 --> 00:53:53,970 agenda yesterday cuz I heard them talking about this too. Oh, 819 00:53:53,970 --> 00:53:57,930 really? Yes. Yes. It's, it's sad. 820 00:53:59,070 --> 00:53:59,400 Yeah. 821 00:54:01,050 --> 00:54:07,710 Go ahead and play part two. So I was told by media buyer that 822 00:54:07,710 --> 00:54:10,320 they're targeting 25 to 35 823 00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,950 for ad meant. Okay. 824 00:54:16,650 --> 00:54:23,850 On game 25 to 35 CPM. No, no, no. Ah, hey, screw. Okay. Oh, 25 825 00:54:24,330 --> 00:54:24,990 to 35. 826 00:54:28,620 --> 00:54:32,940 We have a lot of unhealthy people, young people in this 827 00:54:32,940 --> 00:54:33,720 country. I guess. 828 00:54:35,430 --> 00:54:39,870 I actually asked the guy three times, not 45 to 65. 829 00:54:41,310 --> 00:54:47,040 No 25 to 35. I'm like, God help us population. 830 00:54:48,780 --> 00:54:52,710 Yeah. So there's two parts to this. One is 831 00:54:55,860 --> 00:54:59,700 why are you marketing to younger men? 832 00:55:00,659 --> 00:55:03,899 The answers that I've received back from the no agenda audience 833 00:55:03,899 --> 00:55:08,489 are very sad. The majority say, Oh, it's because of excessive 834 00:55:08,489 --> 00:55:12,689 masturbation due to porn, which was one of my thoughts. That's, 835 00:55:12,689 --> 00:55:14,849 I mean, that's what I mean, either. I've always been told 836 00:55:14,849 --> 00:55:17,489 either it's not you're going to break it, or you'll go blind or 837 00:55:17,489 --> 00:55:21,509 hair on your poem. So there was probably something to that. And 838 00:55:21,509 --> 00:55:23,759 I don't know if you have it in the third clip, but what was 839 00:55:24,299 --> 00:55:27,959 funny because I know Todd and it was funny, at the same time, 840 00:55:27,959 --> 00:55:31,289 kind of disturbing them. He was very happy to have the pharma 841 00:55:31,289 --> 00:55:36,929 ads despite, despite the the obvious horribleness that is 842 00:55:36,929 --> 00:55:41,189 going on with this particular advertiser. So pharma all day 843 00:55:41,189 --> 00:55:43,859 long. Oh, you have a hold on a second. 844 00:55:47,670 --> 00:55:50,430 Yes, this one, I'll take pharma all day long. Yeah. 845 00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,520 Apparently, a lot of a lot of podcast listeners and gamers 846 00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:00,420 take pharma all day long. I thought that was a fascinating 847 00:56:00,420 --> 00:56:04,830 discussion about about the state of advertising. What did you 848 00:56:04,830 --> 00:56:07,260 have any of that because they're basically they sat there and 849 00:56:07,260 --> 00:56:11,700 calculated that like, half a percent of all podcasts are 850 00:56:11,700 --> 00:56:15,630 making all the money. Yeah. And everything else is is not making 851 00:56:15,630 --> 00:56:17,970 money. That's they literally did that. And I think they were a 852 00:56:17,970 --> 00:56:21,210 little surprised themselves. Yeah, if you if nobody has 853 00:56:21,210 --> 00:56:22,530 listened to that, go back to listen to the 854 00:56:23,610 --> 00:56:27,720 next to the latest, the penultimate pod new media show. 855 00:56:27,780 --> 00:56:32,160 Yes. And, and follow along with their discussion. It is quite it 856 00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,550 is quite interesting to hear them break down the math of how 857 00:56:35,550 --> 00:56:40,290 all they have who exactly how many podcasts in industry are 858 00:56:40,290 --> 00:56:45,090 really truly getting monetized. It is not very many. And and and 859 00:56:45,090 --> 00:56:47,730 I'll add to that, although they didn't discuss it specifically. 860 00:56:48,330 --> 00:56:51,600 And a lot of that is thrown into radio advertising. So they'll be 861 00:56:51,630 --> 00:56:55,380 a radio by and we'll throw in some podcast and that's what I 862 00:56:55,380 --> 00:56:56,880 hard to do in this how they sell it. 863 00:56:58,230 --> 00:57:01,410 I didn't know that. Of course, it's and you they just merged 864 00:57:01,410 --> 00:57:05,490 the sales teams of all that all those companies they bought. It 865 00:57:05,490 --> 00:57:08,550 merged it in. It's I know I've come from this business, I 866 00:57:08,550 --> 00:57:11,850 pioneered some of this dreck. So that's why it's appropriate for 867 00:57:11,850 --> 00:57:14,730 me to warn about what's happening. Now we have an 868 00:57:14,730 --> 00:57:18,090 alternative to that, which is the value for value model. And I 869 00:57:18,090 --> 00:57:24,600 finally got down to writing this up in a way that I think at 870 00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:28,170 least gets people started. That's why I titled How to 871 00:57:28,170 --> 00:57:32,550 receive Bitcoin in real time for your podcast, with some very 872 00:57:32,550 --> 00:57:35,490 simple how does it work and then write to I have a lightning 873 00:57:35,490 --> 00:57:38,430 node, I know what I'm doing, or I know what I'm doing. I don't 874 00:57:38,430 --> 00:57:40,080 have a lightning node or her. 875 00:57:42,030 --> 00:57:48,330 Yeah, and and that's it value for value.io if you want to send 876 00:57:48,330 --> 00:57:51,000 someone there so they can understand it value for value 877 00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:56,970 and the value number four value value for value.io. And if you 878 00:57:56,970 --> 00:57:59,400 want to send your listeners to check out some cool podcast 879 00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,120 apps, it's new podcast apps.com. These are things you can 880 00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:03,630 remember. 881 00:58:05,010 --> 00:58:08,550 Yeah, that I thought that that piece that you wrote was really 882 00:58:08,550 --> 00:58:13,380 good. Because we've, like, every time we do something where we 883 00:58:13,380 --> 00:58:17,280 have to put wording on a page, it always starts off this back 884 00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:22,080 end discussion of a like, this doesn't feel right, this doesn't 885 00:58:22,110 --> 00:58:25,050 this feel this doesn't explain it. Right. And, and finally, 886 00:58:25,050 --> 00:58:27,270 you're just like, screw it, I'm just gonna, I'm gonna write this 887 00:58:27,270 --> 00:58:29,490 whole thing out the right way, the way that it needs to be 888 00:58:29,490 --> 00:58:33,390 explained and just gonna do it. Well, what prompted me is so 889 00:58:33,390 --> 00:58:36,270 many people saying how do I do it? And you know, this little 890 00:58:36,270 --> 00:58:38,850 there's just little gotchas along the way that that, you 891 00:58:38,850 --> 00:58:42,330 know, little things that we put in there that like, confuses 892 00:58:42,330 --> 00:58:44,910 people. So when you find one of those, you want to grab it right 893 00:58:44,910 --> 00:58:47,610 away and like, Okay, how can I explain that differently? How 894 00:58:47,610 --> 00:58:48,660 can we make it work? 895 00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:54,090 And, you know, we we clearly still, really, we're in a good 896 00:58:54,090 --> 00:58:58,650 place. Yeah, we have a we're on track to do 100,000 transactions 897 00:58:58,650 --> 00:59:03,600 this month. At least that's a lot. Yeah, we were at 67,000 898 00:59:03,630 --> 00:59:08,850 last month. So to go to about 100,000 it's between 80 and 100 899 00:59:08,850 --> 00:59:09,360 somewhere. 900 00:59:10,740 --> 00:59:13,260 And that's that's the only metric that I'm sticking to now 901 00:59:13,260 --> 00:59:17,520 because if you do it by Satoshi you sent it you get the worst 902 00:59:17,550 --> 00:59:18,150 charts. 903 00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,630 It's really it's not helpful at all. You just want to know how 904 00:59:21,630 --> 00:59:25,920 many people are sending a transaction and whether it's a 905 00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:29,160 per minute or a boost. Most of them are obviously per minute. 906 00:59:29,940 --> 00:59:33,540 And and that that feels the right way. That's what Roy at 907 00:59:33,540 --> 00:59:38,520 Brees is doing. And I wanted to add that what we're doing with 908 00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:41,880 the lightning network is incredibly important to 909 00:59:41,910 --> 00:59:43,020 lightning labs. 910 00:59:45,180 --> 00:59:49,020 Ryan Gentry will be doing a talk at the Bitcoin conference, the 911 00:59:49,020 --> 00:59:54,120 Bitcoin 2021 in Miami, and and and he has three points on his 912 00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:58,140 agenda and number two is podcasting. 2.0 as 913 00:59:59,280 --> 00:59:59,970 lightning labs 914 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,170 Just made a he came over the other day just real quick. It 915 01:00:04,170 --> 01:00:07,770 was it was kind of weird because this was when Bitcoin just 916 01:00:07,770 --> 01:00:12,900 started to tumble. And you know, I think that Ryan had kind of 917 01:00:12,900 --> 01:00:15,390 hoped, okay, just wrapping up a few things here got a board 918 01:00:15,390 --> 01:00:18,120 meeting, then we have Bitcoin, Miami, and then we're on to the 919 01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:23,790 next thing. And you know what he's being the new business guy 920 01:00:23,820 --> 01:00:26,700 business development guy, what he didn't need is a lot of 921 01:00:26,700 --> 01:00:29,160 people calling saying, I'm ruined. 922 01:00:30,780 --> 01:00:34,890 I left my whole career for this, where's this going and remind me 923 01:00:34,890 --> 01:00:37,140 to tell you about what happened is I have a theory on that. 924 01:00:37,170 --> 01:00:40,110 However, because we came over, we're just chatting. And 925 01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,340 you know, this is this is not the this, this happens in the 926 01:00:44,340 --> 01:00:46,890 history of Bitcoin. And there's different reasons for it. And 927 01:00:46,890 --> 01:00:49,650 this one's a little different, which, in fact, I find exciting. 928 01:00:49,650 --> 01:00:50,580 But we'll get to that. 929 01:00:51,750 --> 01:00:53,940 And he said, You know, we've made a decision, and I'm 930 01:00:53,940 --> 01:00:55,590 paraphrasing here, so don't hold me to it. 931 01:00:57,420 --> 01:00:59,250 Lightning labs has always been 932 01:01:00,690 --> 01:01:03,750 developing lnd that a node? 933 01:01:05,610 --> 01:01:08,940 with developers in mind, so the developers asked for things, and 934 01:01:08,940 --> 01:01:12,180 yes, that's how you get wallets and you get roulette games, and 935 01:01:12,180 --> 01:01:17,340 you get certain functionality for certain pieces. And, and a 936 01:01:17,340 --> 01:01:20,010 lot of what they've created is done, and you know, it doesn't 937 01:01:20,010 --> 01:01:23,100 take off, nothing happens. It's, you know, just it's a dud, it 938 01:01:23,100 --> 01:01:26,820 happens. So they want to move much closer towards what they 939 01:01:26,820 --> 01:01:31,590 call the creators, which I refuse, but okay. And so they're 940 01:01:31,590 --> 01:01:37,110 asking, what do we need? What can we ask them for, that they 941 01:01:37,110 --> 01:01:40,980 can put in, that will make this home. And the first thing I said 942 01:01:40,980 --> 01:01:43,200 was connect to this wallet. 943 01:01:44,310 --> 01:01:47,160 That's the number one thing I want connect to this wallet. So 944 01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:49,410 there's a couple things one, he pointed me towards 945 01:01:51,330 --> 01:01:55,410 socket sockets dot money, which I posted on the mastodon, no one 946 01:01:55,410 --> 01:01:55,860 saw it, 947 01:01:56,970 --> 01:02:02,040 which is a version of what we're talking about, you can connect a 948 01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:07,230 wallet to an app sockets dot money. It's not what we need, I 949 01:02:07,230 --> 01:02:10,110 don't think but it's it's a start. But he took he 950 01:02:10,110 --> 01:02:12,360 understands exactly what I'm talking about. 951 01:02:13,740 --> 01:02:16,950 He feels that the so called static invoices, which will be a 952 01:02:16,950 --> 01:02:20,520 slight or maybe more slight change to the way 953 01:02:21,750 --> 01:02:25,980 keys and works now, that may offer a hell of a lot of 954 01:02:25,980 --> 01:02:29,970 solutions, which is part of the reason why we're in on this 955 01:02:29,970 --> 01:02:33,450 early and you Eric and myself have already been asked, I think 956 01:02:33,450 --> 01:02:34,440 he received an invite 957 01:02:35,910 --> 01:02:37,860 to join one of these roundtables. 958 01:02:38,910 --> 01:02:43,200 So have your shit ready? Because whatever we asked for it, 959 01:02:43,230 --> 01:02:44,670 they're really going to try and do. 960 01:02:45,690 --> 01:02:49,770 So these are the things that that excite me when when I hear 961 01:02:49,770 --> 01:02:53,370 that, you know, this is not a slouchy bunch of people over 962 01:02:53,370 --> 01:02:58,530 there. And we have shown them that there is a use case, and 963 01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:03,900 that there are people using lightning using micro payments, 964 01:03:04,170 --> 01:03:07,590 far and beyond anything that's being done right now. Anything. 965 01:03:08,340 --> 01:03:11,160 Yeah. And we all should be pretty proud of that. 966 01:03:12,330 --> 01:03:16,950 Yeah, that's 100%. And then you get the feedback directly from 967 01:03:16,950 --> 01:03:20,880 people like Mitch is said, You know, 968 01:03:22,050 --> 01:03:26,640 I can't is just a terrible user experience to try to throw my 969 01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:32,100 user back and forth between his external API. Yeah, an external 970 01:03:32,100 --> 01:03:35,550 API and the app and just keep kicking you to kick them back 971 01:03:35,550 --> 01:03:37,710 and forth to go create an account over here and deals cut 972 01:03:37,710 --> 01:03:42,030 stuff, copy paste, really, yeah, I really just want a connect to 973 01:03:42,030 --> 01:03:45,750 wallet. thing, like, Can I just have, you know, that's, that's 974 01:03:45,750 --> 01:03:51,420 really what I need any, I need an OAuth type experience for 975 01:03:51,420 --> 01:03:55,590 connecting to this wallet. Well, and it of course, it does exist 976 01:03:56,370 --> 01:04:02,280 with the full l&d node, even with a QR code. But we're 977 01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,710 talking about a different solution. And I think we all 978 01:04:04,710 --> 01:04:10,320 collectively agree that the best path for podcasters in general 979 01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:15,090 is get n for for podcast listeners, I should say, is to 980 01:04:15,090 --> 01:04:16,110 just get a 981 01:04:17,220 --> 01:04:20,610 something that's custodial people who put a small amount of 982 01:04:20,610 --> 01:04:22,560 money on it anyway, most likely. 983 01:04:23,700 --> 01:04:27,270 And that's where the education process starts and a certain 984 01:04:27,270 --> 01:04:29,850 point, I think you'll see podcasters who were saying, 985 01:04:29,850 --> 01:04:33,090 well, this is interesting. No, but now I'm receiving you know, 986 01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:36,240 20,000 SATs a day and I'm sweeping it out you know, I 987 01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,970 probably should have a different solution. Boom for 17 bucks a 988 01:04:38,970 --> 01:04:43,590 month you can have a fully noted solution from breeze and, and 989 01:04:43,590 --> 01:04:46,620 voltage. So there's there's definitely a path but we need a 990 01:04:46,620 --> 01:04:47,580 better path 991 01:04:48,780 --> 01:04:54,180 to get people started. And right now the what Martin has done 992 01:04:54,180 --> 01:04:55,740 with pod friend, I think is 993 01:04:57,450 --> 01:04:59,970 by far the most elegant solution. 994 01:05:01,050 --> 01:05:06,180 It's the closest. It's the closest thing to to an actual, 995 01:05:07,170 --> 01:05:11,700 like, friction free very close to friction boy. Yes. Yeah, 996 01:05:11,790 --> 01:05:15,270 there's still that. There's still that bit of friction, but 997 01:05:15,300 --> 01:05:20,580 it's the closest one. Did you read? I'm sure. I know you did, 998 01:05:20,580 --> 01:05:23,940 because I think you actually tweeted the link out. Roy's 999 01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:28,830 description. Yes, I was just gonna say that fantastic. Yes. 1000 01:05:28,830 --> 01:05:33,930 Great article. And, and I think that that goes right back into 1001 01:05:33,930 --> 01:05:38,400 the discussion we had earlier about media title is yes, it's 1002 01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:41,580 time to short subscriptions and go long on lightning. 1003 01:05:42,810 --> 01:05:46,200 And then he does subhead subscriptions are obsolete and 1004 01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:50,970 unfair. Lightning is the solution. Yeah. Right on ROI, 1005 01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:54,180 right. The big guy, man, he's got mom's falling on his head. 1006 01:05:54,180 --> 01:05:58,470 He's over there. In Bryan of London territory. Yeah, bombs 1007 01:05:58,470 --> 01:06:00,840 fallen on his head. I'm just going to bang out a medium 1008 01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:05,100 article. Okay. He's no slouch as a writer. Boy, he dies after it. 1009 01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:09,000 He does. He does. The I think it's worth talking about that 1010 01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:12,090 for a second because subscription. You know, he goes 1011 01:06:12,090 --> 01:06:15,600 into a lot of detail and and it's uh, you know, you need to 1012 01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:17,520 read the article. But really 1013 01:06:19,350 --> 01:06:24,120 the, the just the, in my mind what I'm what I've been thinking 1014 01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:27,540 about, and it really did the am B's and all stuff brought this 1015 01:06:27,540 --> 01:06:29,550 up in the at&t stuff. 1016 01:06:31,020 --> 01:06:35,250 Is subscriptions are really, 1017 01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,690 they're not I agree with him, they're not sustainable, long 1018 01:06:39,690 --> 01:06:46,470 term. And at the end, the reason is because, like, Well, 1019 01:06:47,910 --> 01:06:49,620 you see, I want to explain this. 1020 01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:53,940 Looking at the podcasting subscription stuff that's coming 1021 01:06:53,940 --> 01:06:56,190 out right now with Apple and Spotify and that kind of thing, 1022 01:06:56,190 --> 01:06:59,220 there's a, there's a certain section of the, of the 1023 01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,460 population, that thing of the podcasting world that thinks 1024 01:07:02,460 --> 01:07:06,120 that's, you know, fantastic. But 1025 01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:13,200 what you get when you have a subscription based user base, 1026 01:07:13,380 --> 01:07:17,070 subscription user base, is you get sort of a 1027 01:07:18,210 --> 01:07:22,710 constant outflow and inflow people jump out and back into 1028 01:07:22,710 --> 01:07:26,040 the subscriptions all the time. Because the subscriptions don't 1029 01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:30,120 accurate can't, can never accurately reflect what they 1030 01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:34,470 actually you know, what the value that they're getting from 1031 01:07:34,470 --> 01:07:40,650 the product, because the VAT, the value of media is ever 1032 01:07:40,650 --> 01:07:46,740 changing on a on a daily basis, if not more granular than that. 1033 01:07:47,250 --> 01:07:50,550 So if I'm listening to, you know, I subscribe to a podcast, 1034 01:07:50,910 --> 01:07:53,760 and I'm listening to that podcast heavily for a couple of 1035 01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:57,750 weeks. And then, for a period of two or three weeks, I'm not 1036 01:07:57,900 --> 01:07:59,100 listening that much. 1037 01:08:00,870 --> 01:08:05,730 Or maybe a period of a couple of months. Or maybe I'm listening 1038 01:08:05,730 --> 01:08:09,780 to it and I keep getting interrupted or like what you 1039 01:08:09,780 --> 01:08:14,880 know, your value perceived value of that product is is in 1040 01:08:15,030 --> 01:08:20,370 constant flux. So what you need is a payment system that 1041 01:08:20,370 --> 01:08:26,100 reflects your moment by moment perceived value, yes. Rather 1042 01:08:26,100 --> 01:08:31,140 than aggregating it into a big chunk, and applying it to this 1043 01:08:31,140 --> 01:08:36,180 broader time period. And, and, and you have a true pricing 1044 01:08:36,180 --> 01:08:42,570 mechanism, which is based upon yourself. Yeah. I mean, yes, you 1045 01:08:42,570 --> 01:08:45,510 get you get more money from me, 1046 01:08:46,710 --> 01:08:53,190 as a as a booster than you do. As a subscriber. I cannot 1047 01:08:53,190 --> 01:08:59,760 promise you that. 100% Yep, yep, yep. Yep. My life is so busy on 1048 01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:03,990 a daily basis, that when I watch you, when I hit play on your 1049 01:09:03,990 --> 01:09:04,800 podcast, 1050 01:09:07,170 --> 01:09:11,940 that that is a big deal. For for not just me, for a lot of 1051 01:09:11,940 --> 01:09:16,230 people, your commit you use when you hit play, you've committed a 1052 01:09:16,230 --> 01:09:20,160 minimum of a half an hour that you're going to invest into, 1053 01:09:20,340 --> 01:09:24,570 into listening to that podcast. And if you if you care that 1054 01:09:24,570 --> 01:09:29,250 much, then you're willing to give that that creator money, 1055 01:09:29,670 --> 01:09:32,280 you're willing to give them money at that moment, at the 1056 01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:36,660 very moment, you're willing to give them a lot of money, 1057 01:09:37,170 --> 01:09:40,620 because you've decided that their product is that valuable 1058 01:09:40,620 --> 01:09:43,080 that you're going to spend your precious time listening to it. 1059 01:09:43,980 --> 01:09:48,930 But if you catch that listener, as some random day of the month 1060 01:09:48,930 --> 01:09:52,230 when they're not interested in what in your podcast, and you 1061 01:09:52,230 --> 01:09:54,660 say and you just show them the amount, okay, you're spending 1062 01:09:54,810 --> 01:09:55,800 $10 1063 01:09:58,410 --> 01:10:00,000 just doesn't, it's you 1064 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,120 It's not the same. Well, not only that, 1065 01:10:04,500 --> 01:10:08,730 but it's a lot more fun. Certainly as we progress, and, 1066 01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:12,420 you know, I'm going to tell you, in fact, this is, I think it was 1067 01:10:12,420 --> 01:10:14,940 Darren O'Neil who posted? Well, you know, 1068 01:10:16,440 --> 01:10:20,070 it's Jerry Kay, I'm paraphrasing jury's still out on whether 1069 01:10:20,070 --> 01:10:23,490 people will adopt this method. Yeah, you know, what if you just 1070 01:10:23,490 --> 01:10:27,450 sit there and wait, no, but if you do the following Hey, do you 1071 01:10:27,450 --> 01:10:29,880 guys like this show? Do you like what we're doing here with 1072 01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:33,180 podcasting 2.0 boost us now boost hit the boost button 1073 01:10:33,180 --> 01:10:35,790 exercise your thumbs your lazy ass boost boost. 1074 01:10:37,710 --> 01:10:41,970 Guess was out it works. This is this is this is a fact it's 1075 01:10:41,970 --> 01:10:48,060 proven. You have to ask people to support you, you need to ask. 1076 01:10:48,450 --> 01:10:51,510 And it's beautiful. You'll see it in one, one minute or one 1077 01:10:51,510 --> 01:10:54,300 hour, 10 minutes. 57 seconds, we're gonna see a whole bunch of 1078 01:10:54,300 --> 01:10:57,510 boosts coming through on this show. What do you have to do 1079 01:10:57,510 --> 01:11:01,620 with a subscription model is you have to lower your price. You 1080 01:11:01,620 --> 01:11:05,640 have to get your price low enough to where people won't 1081 01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:07,440 bounce in and out of the subscription. 1082 01:11:08,670 --> 01:11:13,200 Hey, man, you know, here's here's what I'm seeing. Apples 1083 01:11:13,230 --> 01:11:18,810 whole modus operandi would be to promote some success story with 1084 01:11:18,810 --> 01:11:22,200 podcast subscriptions as they do with all their other products. 1085 01:11:22,410 --> 01:11:26,580 after launch. I have not seen it. I have not seen NPR saying 1086 01:11:26,610 --> 01:11:30,120 oh my god, we transition to subscriptions. It's crazy. It's 1087 01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:32,730 off the wall. Never again will never go back. 1088 01:11:34,620 --> 01:11:36,990 That maybe because half their shows disappeared at Apple. 1089 01:11:39,510 --> 01:11:43,530 And hello again to Stacey from NPR. We're so happy to have you 1090 01:11:44,190 --> 01:11:47,760 on. I love it. I love it when she's pushing stuff, man. Yeah, 1091 01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:51,570 he's a renegade. We got one on the inside Dave. Yeah, 1092 01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,270 nationally. I don't want to get boxed in. I'm making sure we're 1093 01:11:54,270 --> 01:11:57,690 compatible with your stuff. Yes. I'm saying I'm gonna send her 1094 01:11:57,690 --> 01:12:02,490 some some piping posting token to you. Oh, yes, that would be 1095 01:12:02,490 --> 01:12:06,180 fun. And could you imagine if the MP I mean, here's this very 1096 01:12:06,180 --> 01:12:08,940 simple. NPR could choose an app that they like. 1097 01:12:09,990 --> 01:12:13,140 And they could add it to the script. You know, the part where 1098 01:12:13,140 --> 01:12:16,440 it says, or wherever you get your podcast? Why don't you say 1099 01:12:16,530 --> 01:12:21,240 or try out pod friend. But try out breeze or try out pod verse 1100 01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:25,560 or try to try out the cast ematic 1101 01:12:27,390 --> 01:12:30,840 this new podcast app calm. Ask people to do that. 1102 01:12:33,540 --> 01:12:37,470 NPR is one of those deceptive companies where they look like 1103 01:12:37,470 --> 01:12:40,200 they're old and stuffy. But they actually have a lot of forward 1104 01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:44,490 thinking tech. And I bet I bet you that they? I bet you they're 1105 01:12:44,490 --> 01:12:47,580 very willing to jump on board with this. I get that feeling? 1106 01:12:48,180 --> 01:12:52,560 Well, it's a very subtle thing I'm asking for just in that 1107 01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,050 throwaway line, a throwaway line. 1108 01:12:57,150 --> 01:13:00,540 You get our podcast on Apple podcast, Spotify, wherever you 1109 01:13:00,540 --> 01:13:04,590 get your podcast, try out a new one a new podcast. app.com 1110 01:13:05,790 --> 01:13:08,220 not a commercial venture. It's not a commercial venture. It's 1111 01:13:08,220 --> 01:13:11,070 completely open source free value for value. We're just 1112 01:13:11,070 --> 01:13:13,590 trying to really secure everybody's future. 1113 01:13:14,910 --> 01:13:20,100 I'm gonna do some namespace talk real quick. Do I ever 1114 01:13:21,330 --> 01:13:27,390 bring it on? time? First time hot? Nah, you know, I like it 1115 01:13:27,390 --> 01:13:29,280 when we have a group namespace. 1116 01:13:30,750 --> 01:13:34,770 But I'd like it just with you a little better. Yeah, just mano a 1117 01:13:34,770 --> 01:13:39,240 mano feels feels less dirty. This is the sexiest podcast. Oh, 1118 01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:40,500 yeah. And the universe. 1119 01:13:41,850 --> 01:13:46,770 So we have it reminded me for some reason that popped into my 1120 01:13:46,770 --> 01:13:48,030 head. Right when you're talking about. 1121 01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:52,650 About that is the block tag. 1122 01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:57,600 Yes. The way Okay, so just a quick update the way it's 1123 01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:00,750 looking right now is we're going to have 1124 01:14:03,480 --> 01:14:06,450 alternate enclosure. This was going to be finalized on June 1125 01:14:06,450 --> 01:14:12,090 the first nice alternate enclosure, license. And 1126 01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:19,020 oh, gosh, I just had a brain freeze. What's the format? One 1127 01:14:19,050 --> 01:14:25,530 format? No, not format. That's super, super simple. Oh, trailer 1128 01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:29,940 trailer? Oh, yes. Yes. trailer trailer trailer licensed in 1129 01:14:29,940 --> 01:14:34,530 alternating pleasure. The the block tag has come back up is 1130 01:14:34,530 --> 01:14:39,990 sort of resurrected, because it will not because of but this 1131 01:14:40,050 --> 01:14:44,070 this app that that was just sort of discovered yesterday, I guess 1132 01:14:44,070 --> 01:14:49,020 the podcast clips app like, fun clip, yeah, pod clips, or 1133 01:14:49,020 --> 01:14:52,410 something like that. And they're like evidently, grabbing 1134 01:14:52,410 --> 01:14:55,530 people's content and re hosting it on their own servers. Yeah. 1135 01:14:56,100 --> 01:14:59,970 So there's this block, you know, the block tag, pod lunch. 1136 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,190 clips, pod clips comm pod. 1137 01:15:04,319 --> 01:15:09,599 So the blog tag would allow people in their feed to specify 1138 01:15:09,599 --> 01:15:14,189 which aggregators they want. They do and do not want to be 1139 01:15:14,189 --> 01:15:18,869 able to index their content. And so you can say you block Spotify 1140 01:15:18,899 --> 01:15:24,179 blop, block Apple, blah, blah, blah. And then you're saying, or 1141 01:15:24,179 --> 01:15:27,749 block Google and you're saying, you know, I do not want my stuff 1142 01:15:27,899 --> 01:15:29,789 to show up in your in your directory. 1143 01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:31,200 And 1144 01:15:33,180 --> 01:15:39,360 this is, this is, this is good in one way. And I'm Will and 1145 01:15:39,420 --> 01:15:42,090 then I had this discussion with James cradling on the on the 1146 01:15:42,090 --> 01:15:48,930 mastodon like, Yes, I agree that it is that this, I agree. And I 1147 01:15:48,930 --> 01:15:52,170 want to do this, I want to put it in the namespace. This 1148 01:15:52,170 --> 01:15:55,650 namespace does not belong to Dave or the podcast index, it 1149 01:15:55,650 --> 01:15:58,530 belongs to the the the open source world isn't isn't it's an 1150 01:15:58,530 --> 01:16:02,940 open system. I am perfectly willing to go along with this. 1151 01:16:04,890 --> 01:16:08,850 I've got a just got a cup, a couple of reservations. 1152 01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:20,040 One is that you always open yourself up to shenanigans. And 1153 01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:23,190 I don't an hour, you know, I sort of planted my flag there. 1154 01:16:23,190 --> 01:16:26,520 And I was like, I will support and even champion this tag. 1155 01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:34,140 until the point when I see people, companies trying to use 1156 01:16:34,140 --> 01:16:39,480 it to gain leverage over other companies where they say, you 1157 01:16:39,480 --> 01:16:43,290 know, okay, well, anchor says all of a sudden, block everybody 1158 01:16:43,290 --> 01:16:48,450 but Spotify and apple. Mm hmm. Well, I mean, that's BS. Sorry. 1159 01:16:49,350 --> 01:16:49,590 Well, 1160 01:16:50,670 --> 01:16:54,750 you finished? I have some thoughts. Okay. I don't I think 1161 01:16:54,750 --> 01:16:59,070 that's, I think that is anti sort of anti competitive 1162 01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:01,260 behavior. I don't like that word, because it's got all the 1163 01:17:01,260 --> 01:17:05,070 monopoly governing Google goop all over. But to me, that is 1164 01:17:05,070 --> 01:17:09,300 just one away for one industry player to try to gain a 1165 01:17:09,300 --> 01:17:11,730 competitive advantage over another industry player, that's 1166 01:17:11,730 --> 01:17:16,470 not the creator choosing where they want to be listed company 1167 01:17:16,470 --> 01:17:20,400 interceding on their behalf. Okay. So I just got to interject 1168 01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:22,620 here. First of all, this has nothing to do with, 1169 01:17:24,030 --> 01:17:25,830 with podcast clips. 1170 01:17:27,660 --> 01:17:31,500 They're not re hosting RSS feeds, they are taking content, 1171 01:17:31,530 --> 01:17:36,390 taking images from people and, and clipping it and hosting from 1172 01:17:36,390 --> 01:17:41,340 their own servers. That is a content. copyright violation has 1173 01:17:41,340 --> 01:17:44,220 nothing to do with the feed. I mean, they may not be trolling 1174 01:17:44,220 --> 01:17:46,920 feeds at all, they may just be downloading stuff or whatever. 1175 01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:53,400 And if we'll just use the big boys, as an example, Spotify 1176 01:17:53,430 --> 01:17:57,300 took our feed the no agenda feed, put it in there, or 1177 01:17:57,300 --> 01:18:00,090 someone submitted it. I don't know how it got in. And they had 1178 01:18:00,090 --> 01:18:02,820 a process and I went, No, I don't want it and I was done. 1179 01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:07,230 And I think that's a fine process. I think that everyone 1180 01:18:07,230 --> 01:18:11,880 should be baking in bake a copyright notice of some form, I 1181 01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:15,510 do Creative Commons. And I've defended Creative Commons in 1182 01:18:15,510 --> 01:18:18,990 courts, I'm very comfortable with it. For people stealing my 1183 01:18:18,990 --> 01:18:20,790 content and using it commercially. 1184 01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:25,470 When it's documented as such, I think was the first court case 1185 01:18:25,470 --> 01:18:30,240 over Creative Commons content. That's where your, your content 1186 01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:33,210 disclaimer belongs. But it could even be on your on your show, 1187 01:18:33,210 --> 01:18:38,730 page website, etc. I'm totally with you. I think that these 1188 01:18:38,730 --> 01:18:43,230 tags are not necessarily creator generated. They are more 1189 01:18:44,580 --> 01:18:47,340 industry back end, most people don't deal with these at all. 1190 01:18:47,820 --> 01:18:52,080 And what did the scenario you are talking about, I guarantee 1191 01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:52,860 you will happen. 1192 01:18:53,880 --> 01:19:00,090 And I think we've had a total of maybe 10 or 15, people who did 1193 01:19:00,090 --> 01:19:04,350 not want their content on podcast index or their feed. And 1194 01:19:04,350 --> 01:19:07,410 we've and we've, of course, taken it off. And we'll have a 1195 01:19:07,530 --> 01:19:11,490 way for people to do that just like every other company does. I 1196 01:19:11,490 --> 01:19:16,560 don't see any reason for a tag at all. And and I and honestly, 1197 01:19:17,850 --> 01:19:19,530 I'm not sure why 1198 01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:25,350 James is pushing this so hard. I think it's coming from an honest 1199 01:19:25,350 --> 01:19:28,110 place. I think he I think he just really does want creators 1200 01:19:28,110 --> 01:19:31,590 to have, I think he wants to podcasters to have control of 1201 01:19:31,590 --> 01:19:36,360 where their stuff shows up. But one for one reason. One reason 1202 01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:40,560 is because it would make it simpler and not have to field 1203 01:19:41,250 --> 01:19:45,030 all these requests. Because, you know, a site like his 1204 01:19:46,260 --> 01:19:47,880 is sort of 1205 01:19:48,900 --> 01:19:54,120 indicative of a broader category of sites where you know, like in 1206 01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:57,510 our instance, we're going to end up having when Eric finishes his 1207 01:19:57,510 --> 01:19:59,970 work, we're going to end up having a way people can claim 1208 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,710 Their feet and be listed listed. But a site like his or like it 1209 01:20:04,710 --> 01:20:05,580 was just a pod, 1210 01:20:06,690 --> 01:20:10,830 pod pages or some of these sort of like landing page sites, they 1211 01:20:10,830 --> 01:20:14,640 don't really they don't have the capacity to be able to allow 1212 01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:18,420 people to get in and somehow claim a feed and be listed. And 1213 01:20:18,420 --> 01:20:23,760 it's a big, it's a heavy lift for them. So it would be easier 1214 01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:25,560 if the, 1215 01:20:26,670 --> 01:20:29,310 if the person could if you could just respond to the person and 1216 01:20:29,310 --> 01:20:33,900 say, if you don't want to show up in ma cat in my catalog, just 1217 01:20:33,930 --> 01:20:37,410 put the blog tag in and list pod news. And you won't show up on 1218 01:20:37,410 --> 01:20:43,290 our side. And I can see that I'm 100% respect that. And, and I 1219 01:20:43,290 --> 01:20:47,130 don't mind, they're there again, I'm fine with the tag. 1220 01:20:48,330 --> 01:20:50,970 I'm fine with the tag being there. And if somebody, if 1221 01:20:50,970 --> 01:20:54,990 somebody puts it in, and they list podcast index, we don't 1222 01:20:54,990 --> 01:20:59,100 want to be listed in this Fine, I won't list them. I don't mind 1223 01:20:59,100 --> 01:21:03,330 that. But as soon as I see some shenanigans start, I'm ignoring 1224 01:21:03,330 --> 01:21:03,540 it. 1225 01:21:04,620 --> 01:21:09,300 That tag can exist and be respected as long as you're 1226 01:21:09,300 --> 01:21:13,110 respecting everybody else. But as you if you start trying to 1227 01:21:13,230 --> 01:21:15,870 and I'll take this is the other side of the coin that I was that 1228 01:21:15,870 --> 01:21:16,290 I was 1229 01:21:17,610 --> 01:21:19,170 thinking, well, there's two issues. 1230 01:21:20,580 --> 01:21:23,100 We seen that we see this with robots dot txt, 1231 01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:28,980 the robots file that controls who gets to index people's 1232 01:21:28,980 --> 01:21:29,940 websites 1233 01:21:31,590 --> 01:21:37,650 is a robust, it's very robust, you can easily tell what sites 1234 01:21:37,650 --> 01:21:42,060 you want to be able to index your content, like Google, 1235 01:21:42,060 --> 01:21:45,000 Yahoo, Bing, and DuckDuckGo. 1236 01:21:46,260 --> 01:21:52,140 What you see, though, is you see a lot of like WordPress plugins, 1237 01:21:52,470 --> 01:21:59,220 where the default out of the box robots file contains, block 1238 01:21:59,250 --> 01:22:00,480 everything but Google. 1239 01:22:02,670 --> 01:22:07,710 It See that's garbage to me. That's, I'm not like, if some 1240 01:22:07,710 --> 01:22:12,660 websites sets or if some plugin or some, you know, big hosting 1241 01:22:12,660 --> 01:22:15,180 company or something like that just automatically starts 1242 01:22:15,180 --> 01:22:19,170 putting in their feeds, by default, block everything but 1243 01:22:19,170 --> 01:22:23,460 apple and Spotify, then I'm ignoring that I'm gonna, I'm 1244 01:22:23,460 --> 01:22:25,590 just going to consider that block tag doesn't exist at that 1245 01:22:25,590 --> 01:22:30,300 point. I guess my problem, and I understand and I obviously, 1246 01:22:33,540 --> 01:22:35,280 what you're proposing is the right way to go. 1247 01:22:37,650 --> 01:22:41,760 The problem I have is, my feet has been sucked up by 1248 01:22:42,780 --> 01:22:48,840 Spotify by Google by Amazon. And not a word out of anybody how 1249 01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:54,720 evil that was not a word. Yeah, not a word. And I complained 1250 01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:56,850 about a bitterly I'm like, What do you guys do, and you can't 1251 01:22:56,850 --> 01:22:57,660 just do that. 1252 01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:02,610 But that's okay. And so now it's all these smaller guys who I 1253 01:23:02,610 --> 01:23:04,440 just don't want to give any. 1254 01:23:06,150 --> 01:23:08,640 I can see this playing out. And it's and Cridland pointed to a 1255 01:23:08,670 --> 01:23:12,270 good article. I mean, he he made it, he had a good pointer to an 1256 01:23:12,270 --> 01:23:15,810 article, which is another one of these Oh, my God, Google's 1257 01:23:15,810 --> 01:23:18,960 hosting white supremacist content for podcast. 1258 01:23:20,490 --> 01:23:23,790 Which again, and He even gave them a pass like, Well, you 1259 01:23:23,790 --> 01:23:25,320 know, that's just what Google does. 1260 01:23:26,820 --> 01:23:30,540 What this will be used for this block tag and you know, fine, we 1261 01:23:30,540 --> 01:23:32,730 can ignore it, I guarantee you, it's going to be used for 1262 01:23:32,730 --> 01:23:38,010 censorship, it's going to be used, right? So it's just an 1263 01:23:38,010 --> 01:23:38,730 open door. 1264 01:23:40,260 --> 01:23:44,130 The other way is to automate stuff that you know, because I 1265 01:23:44,130 --> 01:23:46,890 don't think anybody knows exactly what they don't want to 1266 01:23:46,890 --> 01:23:47,640 be listed on. 1267 01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:51,300 There's something that exists in the future. I don't know if I 1268 01:23:51,300 --> 01:23:54,990 want to be listed on that. I don't know. And there's, I mean, 1269 01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:58,080 there's tons of stuff. I mean, if anything, I'd like to stop 1270 01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:02,040 receiving emails from every Tom, Dick and Harry, who has a pod 1271 01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:05,490 something venture funded piece of shit. And oh, we've made we 1272 01:24:05,490 --> 01:24:08,640 built a page for you. Come look at our page. Hey, I'm following 1273 01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:12,300 up on the five emails that you've ignored. So I get this 1274 01:24:12,330 --> 01:24:16,320 all the time. And it's like, yeah, whatever, you know, you 1275 01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:18,090 have a page they're fine. You know, I 1276 01:24:19,170 --> 01:24:21,150 don't think it's worth fighting. 1277 01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:26,490 If someone is blatantly ripping off your stuff, and and podcast 1278 01:24:26,490 --> 01:24:30,840 clips is isn't a very clear example. And 1279 01:24:32,130 --> 01:24:34,320 the images, there's a whole bunch of stuff. I don't even 1280 01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:38,220 know why they don't know what they're trying to do over there. 1281 01:24:39,030 --> 01:24:44,250 It's just I don't know if it's to automate the idea of people 1282 01:24:44,250 --> 01:24:46,770 not showing up where they don't want to show up. It's like, you 1283 01:24:46,770 --> 01:24:47,490 don't know. 1284 01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:52,860 Yeah, it's like it. That's what that's why the robot, the robots 1285 01:24:52,860 --> 01:24:56,490 thing got broken. That's exactly why it happened. Because 1286 01:24:56,610 --> 01:24:59,700 everybody's like, I don't know what's about to try to index my 1287 01:24:59,700 --> 01:24:59,970 face. 1288 01:25:00,480 --> 01:25:03,990 And I'll get all I get all my ad word revenue from Google. So I'm 1289 01:25:03,990 --> 01:25:05,940 just gonna block everything from Google except Google. 1290 01:25:07,529 --> 01:25:08,189 And that's, 1291 01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:13,560 that's not the way this. I feel like there's some idealism that 1292 01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:18,000 needs to be broken here when it comes to the block tag. But, I 1293 01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:22,290 mean, do not track that header didn't work, for the same 1294 01:25:22,290 --> 01:25:25,320 reason, is because everybody, you know, as soon as you have 1295 01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:29,550 one big player this that ignores it, well, it's useless. I mean, 1296 01:25:29,550 --> 01:25:33,210 it's used. Okay, so let's say, let's say that we put the blog 1297 01:25:33,210 --> 01:25:33,840 tag in, 1298 01:25:34,860 --> 01:25:37,320 and a year from now, 1299 01:25:39,270 --> 01:25:42,960 us, and three other directories are the only ones that run to 1300 01:25:43,050 --> 01:25:48,690 that respected and Apple, Google and Spotify don't care less. I 1301 01:25:48,690 --> 01:25:49,020 mean, 1302 01:25:50,610 --> 01:25:54,300 that that's not going to solve anything. No, that's gonna do 1303 01:25:54,300 --> 01:25:57,750 all this going to do is punish us, that's not going to make, 1304 01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:01,860 you know, and make us have stuff that not have things that the 1305 01:26:01,860 --> 01:26:05,730 other directories have. And that puts our two apps that use us at 1306 01:26:05,730 --> 01:26:08,220 a disadvantage, or listening to let's say, listen, notes 1307 01:26:08,220 --> 01:26:11,460 respected. Well, then all of a sudden, they have a lot less 1308 01:26:11,460 --> 01:26:15,570 than then Apple podcast directory does. I mean, I just 1309 01:26:15,570 --> 01:26:19,470 don't I see. This is the I see, like, five ways this can go 1310 01:26:19,470 --> 01:26:23,160 wrong. And like one way can go, right? Yeah, well, the only 1311 01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:25,620 thing, the only thing I'd request and in general, 1312 01:26:26,790 --> 01:26:29,730 I'd like to have these conversations, these long 1313 01:26:29,730 --> 01:26:35,280 threads be moved to the GitHub, where the word belongs in a in 1314 01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:39,420 an issue about a tag. Cuz it just in 1315 01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:44,490 too many personalities. And people start getting each 1316 01:26:44,490 --> 01:26:47,220 other's face. And it's like, just move that over to the 1317 01:26:47,220 --> 01:26:49,470 GitHub, where we can have you know, there's a little more 1318 01:26:49,470 --> 01:26:52,710 structured conversation because you missed too much on mastodon 1319 01:26:52,710 --> 01:26:58,080 for these for these types of issues. My feeling, and I'm 1320 01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:00,750 guilty, I'm guilty of bringing that stuff into the mastodon 1321 01:27:00,750 --> 01:27:03,900 because it's so much faster. Well, I know it's like, the the 1322 01:27:03,900 --> 01:27:06,810 pod ping stuff, it was just you know, for for a week, it's just 1323 01:27:06,810 --> 01:27:10,980 all been a Brian likes to post. It just kind of, you know, it 1324 01:27:10,980 --> 01:27:14,010 just anyone who's not involved in it actively is kind of like 1325 01:27:14,010 --> 01:27:14,730 oh ho hum. 1326 01:27:15,810 --> 01:27:18,150 So that we just need to move some of that stuff over when 1327 01:27:18,150 --> 01:27:21,030 appropriate. But I mean, it doesn't mean it isn't exciting. 1328 01:27:21,060 --> 01:27:25,530 I'm just saying, like, this is a very specific issue. And it can 1329 01:27:25,530 --> 01:27:30,210 take a lot. It's also to me it is by far, by far. 1330 01:27:31,590 --> 01:27:34,410 One of the least important things in my life right now. 1331 01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:39,390 I seriously of all the things that are a problem with 1332 01:27:39,390 --> 01:27:42,450 podcasting, this is not the one this is not the hill I'm gonna 1333 01:27:42,450 --> 01:27:46,470 die on. So whatever, it's fine. There's many other important 1334 01:27:46,470 --> 01:27:52,530 things to do. Yeah, in pod and, and I don't think a blog tag 1335 01:27:52,890 --> 01:27:55,740 would have stopped pod clips, or whatever the name of that app 1336 01:27:55,740 --> 01:28:01,440 is. But also, this is me. This is me off is I want a value tag. 1337 01:28:01,440 --> 01:28:04,110 But no, now we're all gonna fight for a fucking block tag, 1338 01:28:04,110 --> 01:28:06,990 like we fought for the for the lock tag. Oh, everyone 1339 01:28:06,990 --> 01:28:11,220 implemented the lock tag, but we won't do any other tags. Well, 1340 01:28:11,340 --> 01:28:15,480 we got we got to give them some June 1, we'll give you a whole 1341 01:28:15,540 --> 01:28:21,210 whole new batch of tags. So I'm talking in general to you know, 1342 01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:24,510 we're coming up on a year and a lot of hosting companies have 1343 01:28:24,510 --> 01:28:28,680 not done anything. Yeah, True. True. But 1344 01:28:30,210 --> 01:28:32,850 well, as soon as, as soon as 1345 01:28:34,470 --> 01:28:38,700 well, with a few more apps, the more the more apps that begin to 1346 01:28:38,700 --> 01:28:42,510 support things, the more the host will be hosting companies 1347 01:28:42,510 --> 01:28:45,330 will be pressured to adopt more stuff. Yes. And if you're using 1348 01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:48,540 one of these apps from new podcast apps comm tweet about 1349 01:28:48,540 --> 01:28:50,790 it. Let people know what you think about it. I'm seeing this 1350 01:28:50,820 --> 01:28:53,910 happening. I just want to make sure we ask people to do that 1351 01:28:53,910 --> 01:28:59,070 you are part of a movement, a revolution, recapturing our 1352 01:28:59,070 --> 01:29:03,960 rightful our rightful place in the media landscape. As as the 1353 01:29:04,050 --> 01:29:08,010 as the Star Search is being built up around us and the man 1354 01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:12,030 is, is coming back from the dead to host a podcast. 1355 01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:14,040 That's right, Johnny. 1356 01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:19,380 How about we thank a few people. Oh, yeah, I did want to say last 1357 01:29:19,410 --> 01:29:25,410 last bit of nice bass stuff. Yes. Sorry. Baxter Tidwell. Dino 1358 01:29:25,410 --> 01:29:26,160 Baxter Tidwell. 1359 01:29:29,220 --> 01:29:29,970 I don't know. 1360 01:29:31,620 --> 01:29:32,280 He 1361 01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:35,940 created a formal 1362 01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:45,060 namespace schema, or DTD or whatever it is. Oh, those are. 1363 01:29:45,810 --> 01:29:48,060 Those are weird things. I've never understood how to really 1364 01:29:48,060 --> 01:29:52,110 do one. I've I've read this. I've read his document and I 1365 01:29:52,110 --> 01:29:53,130 still barely understand 1366 01:29:55,050 --> 01:29:57,840 it which is exactly which is why I'm thrilled that he did it. 1367 01:29:59,700 --> 01:29:59,970 He 1368 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,720 He sent me an email. And it's he's evidently he was on the 1369 01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:07,560 sgml working group, the predecessor, you know, the 1370 01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:13,470 predecessor to XML. So he's he knows this. Now, yeah, he says 1371 01:30:13,470 --> 01:30:16,650 he posted this yet. Is there a link to it? It's up on namespace 1372 01:30:16,650 --> 01:30:19,530 now. Yeah, I posted a link to the mastodon a few hours ago. 1373 01:30:20,130 --> 01:30:23,850 And you can go and click on there. And he's got a very well 1374 01:30:23,850 --> 01:30:28,710 done, write up and document about exactly how it works and 1375 01:30:28,710 --> 01:30:32,700 what he did, and how to use it within Visual Studio code. 1376 01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:36,930 The cool thing about it is as you're writing your tags will 1377 01:30:36,930 --> 01:30:40,410 error check you against the namespace to make sure that 1378 01:30:40,410 --> 01:30:44,010 you've put all the attributes and stuff in correctly. very 1379 01:30:44,010 --> 01:30:47,790 slick. Wow, this is a lot of work. You Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's 1380 01:30:47,790 --> 01:30:50,970 been a lot of time on this. Wow. That's some real time and 1381 01:30:50,970 --> 01:30:55,320 talent, man, thank you so much. Yeah, that I just want to make 1382 01:30:55,320 --> 01:30:58,830 sure that I thanked him. Yes. For that, because that was very 1383 01:30:58,830 --> 01:31:01,260 valuable. I've been wanting that for a while. And every time I 1384 01:31:01,260 --> 01:31:04,320 start to look at it and like, your eyes, your eyes glaze over. 1385 01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:08,460 Yeah. He's like, and he's like, I'll do it. Yes, thank you, man. 1386 01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:11,850 This is this is hot. And this is a it's a value for value 1387 01:31:11,850 --> 01:31:15,420 project. Everything we're doing here is to move it forward. 1388 01:31:16,500 --> 01:31:19,020 And everyone's putting in their time, their talent. 1389 01:31:20,130 --> 01:31:22,470 People putting in treasure, we're putting in a lot of all of 1390 01:31:22,470 --> 01:31:22,860 that. 1391 01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:29,340 And that keeps us honest, keeps us open. This podcast is a part 1392 01:31:29,340 --> 01:31:33,690 of it. Which is as far as I know, the only board meeting 1393 01:31:33,690 --> 01:31:36,360 that is a podcast where everybody is invited, everyone 1394 01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:37,680 gets a shake at the stick. 1395 01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:44,340 And let's thank some of our financial supporters who believe 1396 01:31:44,340 --> 01:31:48,390 in what we're doing and want to move everything forward and came 1397 01:31:48,390 --> 01:31:52,200 in with their treasure. Yeah, right off the bat. If you 1398 01:31:52,830 --> 01:31:58,680 donated enough to get a T shirt. Please send. I've got a nice 1399 01:31:58,680 --> 01:32:01,530 I've got a nice strategy here because I'm not able to keep up 1400 01:32:01,530 --> 01:32:05,910 with how that XML spreadsheet work out. I mean, yeah, we're 1401 01:32:05,910 --> 01:32:08,670 not XLS spreadsheet. I don't want to talk about it. 1402 01:32:11,310 --> 01:32:14,730 Please, if if you don't earn enough to get to your place and 1403 01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:19,200 your your shirt size and your address that we need to ship it 1404 01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:24,570 to you to shirts at podcast index.org Holy crap, someone had 1405 01:32:24,570 --> 01:32:27,510 to think about that one. I did. I thought about it for at least 1406 01:32:27,510 --> 01:32:31,140 45 sec. Now tell us about these handsome podcasting 2.0 1407 01:32:31,140 --> 01:32:34,260 certified shirts. Dave What? What did it look like? Tell us 1408 01:32:34,290 --> 01:32:36,690 tell us about them. Oh, they're beautiful. They have a 1409 01:32:36,990 --> 01:32:43,530 podcasting podcasting 2.0 certified pill badge on them 1410 01:32:43,530 --> 01:32:49,380 that the wonderful Benjamin Bellamy wrote up designed for us 1411 01:32:49,380 --> 01:32:52,320 as a vector piece of vector art. Oh, perfect. I think they're 1412 01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:57,990 gonna be like a dark gray color the T shirts. So you can your 1413 01:32:57,990 --> 01:33:00,450 whole body not just your podcast, but your whole body can 1414 01:33:00,450 --> 01:33:04,320 be podcasting certified now. Where it were loud and proud. 1415 01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:06,990 Everybody put it on your wife, your girlfriend, your boyfriend, 1416 01:33:06,990 --> 01:33:07,650 your dog. 1417 01:33:09,180 --> 01:33:11,070 Yeah. Anyway, it says 1418 01:33:12,570 --> 01:33:15,960 that, yeah, a total of $100 donations you've deserved you 1419 01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:19,470 deserve that T shirt shirts at podcast index.org. 1420 01:33:20,670 --> 01:33:22,860 And I guess we'll be given a couple of those away today, 1421 01:33:22,860 --> 01:33:28,140 then. Yeah. Oh, for sure. So, Marco arment from overcast came 1422 01:33:28,140 --> 01:33:34,200 in again with $500. Marco, thank you so much. It is it is a 1423 01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:37,500 delight to have you in the group. And when we're glad that. 1424 01:33:38,250 --> 01:33:42,120 You know, this is a very, very nice collaboration. And I know 1425 01:33:42,120 --> 01:33:44,910 that he's working on chapters. I saw him posting about that. It's 1426 01:33:45,090 --> 01:33:47,490 very excited about that. Yes. 1427 01:33:48,540 --> 01:33:51,450 I'll, I'll make sure that they listen to the show. So I'll make 1428 01:33:51,450 --> 01:33:55,080 sure he knows about the T shirt. Oh, man, we all listened to his 1429 01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:55,560 show. 1430 01:33:57,720 --> 01:33:59,280 Y'all send us t shirts. We'll send you 1431 01:34:01,110 --> 01:34:04,920 Thank you, Marco. Yeah. Thanks for that. Appreciate it. That 1432 01:34:05,340 --> 01:34:09,030 that seriously? covers our hosting phase for the entire 1433 01:34:09,030 --> 01:34:11,370 month. That does such. Yeah. 1434 01:34:13,170 --> 01:34:19,860 Let's see. Steve. Steven crater. Yes. came in with $100. Steven, 1435 01:34:19,860 --> 01:34:21,000 thank you, Steven. 1436 01:34:22,200 --> 01:34:25,320 Creates websites on the fly filled with beautiful data. 1437 01:34:25,740 --> 01:34:29,940 Yeah, in like, five minutes. You're like, Hey, you know, I 1438 01:34:29,940 --> 01:34:33,840 need one of these in the craters there like like this. Yeah. 1439 01:34:36,300 --> 01:34:39,570 Like when I when I said I think it was on the last show was 1440 01:34:39,570 --> 01:34:43,350 like, we really need a page where it lists all the value for 1441 01:34:43,350 --> 01:34:46,260 value enabled podcasts in literally I mean, it's like, you 1442 01:34:46,260 --> 01:34:48,330 know, four hours later, he's like, Hey, I got you one pull 1443 01:34:48,330 --> 01:34:50,670 request. Oh, God, man. Seriously. 1444 01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:54,600 Yeah, Stephen sent us 100 bucks. And he said I've been I've 1445 01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:57,150 enjoyed being a member of the podcast index community and 1446 01:34:57,150 --> 01:34:59,460 appreciate the opportunity to contribute how I can 1447 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,010 Stephen needed you didn't have to do that and you will 1448 01:35:02,010 --> 01:35:03,390 definitely be getting a T shirt. 1449 01:35:04,890 --> 01:35:06,810 Thank you, brother. Thank you so much. 1450 01:35:10,050 --> 01:35:10,740 See 1451 01:35:12,809 --> 01:35:16,139 Olmstead media sent us $100 1452 01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:22,110 a day from Deutschland I don't know it's a tom Thomas. 1453 01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:25,860 And he just says certify me. 1454 01:35:27,390 --> 01:35:28,920 So first you have to defragment 1455 01:35:31,140 --> 01:35:35,430 can't just be certified you got to defragment your first I guess 1456 01:35:35,460 --> 01:35:41,130 is that a Dutch name on start now how do you spell UM, sta Dt 1457 01:35:41,130 --> 01:35:48,780 d. d? And is media Homestuck media is m dot media and Thomas. 1458 01:35:50,100 --> 01:35:52,380 Let me say Thomas, I see him 1459 01:35:56,100 --> 01:35:58,470 start game now. Here's that German. 1460 01:36:01,050 --> 01:36:03,930 Thomas is a speaker a podcaster and a CEO. 1461 01:36:05,010 --> 01:36:07,230 A looks like he's from Texas. What the hell 1462 01:36:08,700 --> 01:36:12,840 to say, Well, you know, we got hit Fe, we know we have a very 1463 01:36:12,900 --> 01:36:17,100 long, rich history of German history. He lives in Austin with 1464 01:36:17,100 --> 01:36:20,550 his beautiful wife and children. Okay, I'll show you some 1465 01:36:20,550 --> 01:36:24,000 pictures. He can carry a T shirt over to his house. I just might 1466 01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:28,170 have to do that. Thanks, man. That's a big he's a long I bet 1467 01:36:28,170 --> 01:36:32,100 you he's a longtime Texan. I bet he's been here since the 1800s 1468 01:36:32,100 --> 01:36:36,360 or not him but his family. We have a lot we have a lot of 1469 01:36:36,360 --> 01:36:36,960 German 1470 01:36:38,280 --> 01:36:42,960 heritage in North Alabama, because that's where Redstone 1471 01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:48,420 Arsenal and the Huntsville Space and Rocket Center was you know 1472 01:36:48,420 --> 01:36:51,570 there's a lot of NASA government stuff up in North Alabama in 1473 01:36:51,570 --> 01:36:54,180 Huntsville area. But those are still the Operation Paperclip 1474 01:36:54,180 --> 01:36:55,380 Germans totally 1475 01:36:57,750 --> 01:36:58,920 Nazi offspring. 1476 01:37:00,210 --> 01:37:03,000 If you get there's a graveyard that you can go up there up 1477 01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:08,220 there and it's like, filled with like, Iron Cross headstones. 1478 01:37:08,940 --> 01:37:13,200 Really, total German nuts. Operation Paperclip interest. 1479 01:37:14,130 --> 01:37:14,610 Ah. 1480 01:37:16,410 --> 01:37:18,780 Thank you, Thomas. Appreciate that. Yeah, thanks, man. And 1481 01:37:19,170 --> 01:37:20,640 yeah, let's let's have a beer. 1482 01:37:22,470 --> 01:37:27,990 Dame Jennifer Buchanan. $33.33. Damn, Jennifer, it's you do not 1483 01:37:27,990 --> 01:37:31,920 need to do that you do so much already. She says in the 1484 01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:35,730 morning, y'all. If Adam can throw in a penny, this plus my 1485 01:37:35,730 --> 01:37:40,350 last 233 33 donations entitles me to one of those fancy new t 1486 01:37:40,350 --> 01:37:43,650 shirts. You got it? Thanks to all who are working to keep 1487 01:37:43,650 --> 01:37:45,750 podcasting hot kisses and hugs. 1488 01:37:48,240 --> 01:37:51,120 Thank you. Damn, Jennifer. Yes. On the way to you for sure. 1489 01:37:52,140 --> 01:37:55,020 Were loud and proud. Let's see. 1490 01:37:56,370 --> 01:38:01,320 Is there a note with this one do not see a note for Ronald keys 1491 01:38:02,160 --> 01:38:04,890 that he gave us. $25. Thank you, Ron. 1492 01:38:05,970 --> 01:38:10,980 Thanks, man. Every single penny makes a difference. And let's 1493 01:38:10,980 --> 01:38:15,510 see here. Mark King gave us $10. And he says thanks show. 1494 01:38:17,160 --> 01:38:21,120 me. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for that. Another Texan. 1495 01:38:21,150 --> 01:38:23,430 Maybe? I wasn't I don't know, y'all. 1496 01:38:25,110 --> 01:38:31,200 See? Oh, Andy layman. Andy gave us $5 and he says, Dave and 1497 01:38:31,200 --> 01:38:34,320 Adam, thanks for all you do keep up the good work. It has allowed 1498 01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:37,740 us at the dudes and dads podcast to do some cool things in our 1499 01:38:37,740 --> 01:38:42,090 feed. allowed me Andy layman of layman creations to develop some 1500 01:38:42,090 --> 01:38:42,900 cool crap. 1501 01:38:48,840 --> 01:38:54,540 Crap, Andy. No, it's not baby. It's art. Alright, it is. And we 1502 01:38:54,540 --> 01:38:58,020 have a new subscription monthly subscription from David would 1503 01:38:58,020 --> 01:39:02,460 find $3 I do not see a note from David's We appreciate it. Thank 1504 01:39:02,460 --> 01:39:05,220 David. Matthew. Thank you. Thanks, everybody who supports 1505 01:39:05,370 --> 01:39:08,880 the podcast index podcasting. 2.0 with your time, your talent, 1506 01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:12,930 your treasure. to support us, you can go to podcast index.org 1507 01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:15,840 we got a big Donate button there. It still connects to 1508 01:39:15,870 --> 01:39:20,250 paypal. And the site revamp is coming. So we'll still welcome 1509 01:39:20,250 --> 01:39:22,800 your cookbooks through that system. And of course, you can 1510 01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:26,700 always boost this show and crank up the value sliders and just 1511 01:39:26,910 --> 01:39:30,360 help us with some true value for value. The moment you're getting 1512 01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:33,600 it. You're spitting it right back. I see you Martin Martin. 1513 01:39:33,930 --> 01:39:38,190 Mark loves to boost us when he's listening. I think he likes his 1514 01:39:38,190 --> 01:39:42,240 fiance out like now is the show is coming up. And I have to make 1515 01:39:42,240 --> 01:39:46,020 sure it's the everything's the ping the pod ping has been 1516 01:39:46,020 --> 01:39:50,100 pinged appropriately before before I tweet or tooted because 1517 01:39:50,100 --> 01:39:53,730 he gets angry if it doesn't work on his app. Oh, he's very bad. 1518 01:39:54,510 --> 01:39:57,900 Can I do I still just use those scripts that you gave me. Yeah, 1519 01:39:57,900 --> 01:39:59,970 that goes straight that go straight to us. I think 1520 01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:04,560 The delay was there. The net monthly donations I forgot to 1521 01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:08,130 read. Oh, yes, please. Hello, sorry about that. Keith Gibson. 1522 01:40:08,160 --> 01:40:11,010 These are subscriptions that hit this week Keith Gibson gave us 1523 01:40:11,010 --> 01:40:11,910 $50 1524 01:40:13,170 --> 01:40:19,470 Enigma Enigma labs. $20 Dwayne Goldie the second $8 Charles 1525 01:40:19,470 --> 01:40:23,280 current $5 and Thomas Sullivan, Jr. $5. Thank you. Thank you all 1526 01:40:23,280 --> 01:40:27,270 very much Enigma labs, what the hell is an enigma labs? I don't 1527 01:40:27,270 --> 01:40:31,620 know. It sounds military, developing the future. I like it 1528 01:40:31,620 --> 01:40:35,490 though. I like I like, you know, in the labs. 1529 01:40:37,410 --> 01:40:39,930 ending my labs was created with an intention of establishing an 1530 01:40:39,930 --> 01:40:43,680 environment where physicians feel they are in control. This 1531 01:40:43,680 --> 01:40:44,010 means 1532 01:40:46,890 --> 01:40:51,120 I have a feeling it may be a different Enigma labs. Not just 1533 01:40:51,120 --> 01:40:54,450 a hunch. Do I so I love pharma money. 1534 01:40:57,060 --> 01:40:58,710 I love pharmaceutical money. 1535 01:41:02,430 --> 01:41:04,410 Yeah, maybe we're getting some of that for us some of that 1536 01:41:04,410 --> 01:41:07,650 sweet sweet pharma. pharma cash. Yeah. 1537 01:41:09,150 --> 01:41:12,780 I'd rather take a boost some I'd rather I don't want to Fauci 1538 01:41:12,780 --> 01:41:15,960 booster. I don't want your boost on podcasting. 2.0 is the only 1539 01:41:17,370 --> 01:41:18,120 give me that? 1540 01:41:19,200 --> 01:41:22,620 This this is no, this is funny to the 1541 01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:24,180 E. 1542 01:41:25,260 --> 01:41:28,020 Play. This was the they had that discussion. 1543 01:41:29,100 --> 01:41:34,350 Todd and Rob had that discussion about the ad advertising. And 1544 01:41:34,350 --> 01:41:38,490 then sort of at the end of the at the segment, they said do 1545 01:41:38,550 --> 01:41:41,820 this is where they sort of he wrapped it up DVD advertising 1546 01:41:41,820 --> 01:41:43,980 three, and they don't run for very long. 1547 01:41:45,990 --> 01:41:48,840 Yeah, the pills don't work for very long either. I'm told so 1548 01:41:48,930 --> 01:41:49,230 yeah. 1549 01:41:50,730 --> 01:41:52,200 Name. Yeah. 1550 01:41:53,700 --> 01:41:57,630 That's That's all I got. Yeah, brother, I think. Do we have any 1551 01:41:57,630 --> 01:42:00,090 guests scheduled for the next couple of weeks? What do we 1552 01:42:00,090 --> 01:42:04,230 have? Not scheduled. schedule so many guests that I just gave us 1553 01:42:04,260 --> 01:42:07,560 a breather? Yeah, that's good. I as I said, I'd like just doing 1554 01:42:07,560 --> 01:42:11,100 the two of us for a bit too. It's also nice. Yeah. Yeah, I 1555 01:42:11,100 --> 01:42:14,700 like that, too. I think we've got some people we need to get 1556 01:42:14,700 --> 01:42:15,750 on the show, though. 1557 01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:21,060 You know, and I'm going to try to get back and get some guests 1558 01:42:21,060 --> 01:42:24,240 here soon. But I figured we could get like a guest. After we 1559 01:42:24,240 --> 01:42:28,380 get back from the conference. Yes. I'm very excited to be fun 1560 01:42:28,380 --> 01:42:31,980 to I mean, I've met you obviously, I've met Eric but you 1561 01:42:31,980 --> 01:42:35,220 guys have never met in person. Now that'll be fun. We have a 1562 01:42:35,430 --> 01:42:38,910 lot of where we are very popular. Got a lot of invites. A 1563 01:42:38,910 --> 01:42:43,860 lot of people want to be on our dance card. Alright, so just 1564 01:42:43,860 --> 01:42:47,130 preparing you. It's gonna be the Airbnb from hell, baby. 1565 01:42:48,180 --> 01:42:50,190 The podcast index Airbnb. 1566 01:42:51,900 --> 01:42:55,380 There's another isokon here that I don't know what it is. I'm 1567 01:42:55,380 --> 01:42:58,710 gonna listen. Do you see that one? Huh? Oh, I'm gonna listen. 1568 01:43:00,570 --> 01:43:01,770 That's Hillary. I don't know. 1569 01:43:03,300 --> 01:43:04,800 I've been hauling around for a few weeks. 1570 01:43:06,840 --> 01:43:10,080 Anything else? Yeah, I think No, that's it, man. It's been I 1571 01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:13,110 know, you've been real busy with with family stuff and work 1572 01:43:13,110 --> 01:43:14,460 stuff. And I'm in the middle of 1573 01:43:15,480 --> 01:43:19,080 selling a house moving, you know, buying a new house. How's 1574 01:43:19,080 --> 01:43:23,220 it going? Okay. Actually, we we have contracts both ways. So now 1575 01:43:23,220 --> 01:43:28,290 it's nice. Yeah. Now it's the data we need. We need 1576 01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:31,560 everything. You've got your statement from April, though. 1577 01:43:34,290 --> 01:43:36,480 Why did this deposit come from? 1578 01:43:37,980 --> 01:43:40,620 Cuz now it's at the underwriter and they're like, Hey, wait a 1579 01:43:40,620 --> 01:43:43,140 minute. You just Are you borrowing money from someone 1580 01:43:43,140 --> 01:43:44,130 else to make it look good? 1581 01:43:46,050 --> 01:43:52,620 Somehow you can have like a $25 billion back that comes out of 1582 01:43:52,620 --> 01:43:56,490 nowhere. You can't have a single deposit on your account in the 1583 01:43:56,490 --> 01:44:00,930 last three months to buy a house that does that work. It's so 1584 01:44:00,930 --> 01:44:04,980 true. It's and you know, and ever since Tina and I got 1585 01:44:04,980 --> 01:44:07,230 together six years ago, we just had our second wedding 1586 01:44:07,230 --> 01:44:07,950 anniversary. 1587 01:44:09,150 --> 01:44:13,350 Congrats. Thank you. She's She's really taken over a number of 1588 01:44:13,350 --> 01:44:17,850 things. She's she Marie Kondo me. So now yeah. Oh, yeah. So 1589 01:44:17,910 --> 01:44:20,940 everything's, we've got everything down to the tee every 1590 01:44:20,940 --> 01:44:29,220 single thing you know. And messy guy though. Is spotless. No, I 1591 01:44:29,220 --> 01:44:30,420 have hellholes. 1592 01:44:31,650 --> 01:44:31,950 Right. 1593 01:44:33,930 --> 01:44:37,380 When they're there, they're restricted to one little spot. 1594 01:44:37,650 --> 01:44:40,050 Well, no, they're little ones all over the place. When when 1595 01:44:40,050 --> 01:44:43,560 Tina and I moved in together and then I moved out of my my 1596 01:44:43,560 --> 01:44:46,350 apartment and we moved into the apartment downtown together. 1597 01:44:46,920 --> 01:44:52,170 And, you know, she found or we found plastic bags are like big, 1598 01:44:52,230 --> 01:44:57,390 like shopping bags filled with unopened envelopes, of bills and 1599 01:44:57,390 --> 01:44:59,940 all kinds of books and because, you know, I was like, I'll get 1600 01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:03,330 This is how I was I was like, fuck it all paid in two weeks 1601 01:45:03,570 --> 01:45:06,600 and I was like little guy pay right away this asshole pay and 1602 01:45:06,600 --> 01:45:09,750 you know big guy now pay later. And of course then the reminder 1603 01:45:09,750 --> 01:45:12,600 comes in I pay that and I just tossed the envelope beside and 1604 01:45:12,600 --> 01:45:15,420 so she was like, Oh my god, are these all unpaid bills? 1605 01:45:16,440 --> 01:45:19,260 No, no, this is just how I've been living anyway, so she she 1606 01:45:19,260 --> 01:45:22,620 took over everything we got. And yet still they have things like, 1607 01:45:22,650 --> 01:45:25,860 oh, now we need this and you know and lift your left nut and 1608 01:45:27,360 --> 01:45:30,630 anyways, everyone knows what that's like. It's just It's a 1609 01:45:30,630 --> 01:45:35,640 crazy right now because everyone is busy. Yeah, title companies 1610 01:45:35,640 --> 01:45:36,990 and it's just crazy. It's 1611 01:45:38,400 --> 01:45:39,810 in the meantime, you know. 1612 01:45:41,940 --> 01:45:45,000 We forge forward. It's one of the most exciting things I've 1613 01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:49,590 ever been involved in. I'm so blessed to be working with you 1614 01:45:49,590 --> 01:45:52,800 with Eric with everybody at podcast index. I'm sure you feel 1615 01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:57,780 the same. It's it is just it is. It is a labor of love. But we do 1616 01:45:57,780 --> 01:45:59,340 have we do have a strategy 1617 01:46:00,690 --> 01:46:04,080 in there somewhere. Yeah, if we keep at it if we keep at it, and 1618 01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:08,070 I think everything will be okay. So remind everybody there's some 1619 01:46:08,070 --> 01:46:11,610 cool new apps new podcast apps, calm. Everyone should be trying 1620 01:46:11,610 --> 01:46:14,400 those out. podcasters hear me now believe me, Nader you will 1621 01:46:14,400 --> 01:46:14,610 leave. 1622 01:46:16,020 --> 01:46:19,020 And we'll be back next Friday with another edition of 1623 01:46:19,020 --> 01:46:23,130 podcasting 2.0 the board meeting. Till then take care. 1624 01:46:23,160 --> 01:46:23,460 Bye bye. 1625 01:46:39,930 --> 01:46:44,760 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 visit podcast in 1626 01:46:44,760 --> 01:46:49,110 the.com. For more information. I love pharmaceuticals.