1 00:00:00,450 --> 00:00:05,610 podcasting 2.0 for March 19 2021, Episode 29 where the 2 00:00:05,610 --> 00:00:06,810 castaways 3 00:00:10,950 --> 00:00:13,920 always searching for some kind of tie in before the show is 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:18,390 difficult. Friday afternoon once again Time for a board meeting, 5 00:00:18,930 --> 00:00:22,710 podcasting 2.0 and discuss the week's developments podcast 6 00:00:22,740 --> 00:00:28,020 index.org I'm Adam Curry in Austin, Texas hand in Alabama. 7 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:32,280 The Nester of the namespace my friend on the other end, Dav 8 00:00:32,310 --> 00:00:33,690 Jones 9 00:00:34,170 --> 00:00:37,170 castaways, I see what you did. Yeah. 10 00:00:37,980 --> 00:00:38,760 Know, I know. 11 00:00:38,789 --> 00:00:42,119 What can I say? I made it through the week. And I'm not 12 00:00:42,119 --> 00:00:45,119 dead. I mean that the universe tried to kill me this week. 13 00:00:45,329 --> 00:00:49,679 Everything man you had corporate tax day, which is a big deal for 14 00:00:49,679 --> 00:00:50,339 you, I think. 15 00:00:50,700 --> 00:00:57,390 Yeah. And death in the family. As calcium kind of stomach 16 00:00:57,390 --> 00:01:01,110 virus. No, no, like, halfway through the week. Yeah, like, 17 00:01:01,590 --> 00:01:05,250 half of my posts on the mastodon were from the john. I you know, 18 00:01:05,610 --> 00:01:11,430 there must have been when your sequel dump somehow you you got 19 00:01:11,430 --> 00:01:15,420 some kind of sympathy, sympathy thing going on there with the 20 00:01:15,420 --> 00:01:17,160 code. You should watch that but David, it's 21 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:21,660 not very healthy. It's like, it was like the the birth sympathy 22 00:01:21,660 --> 00:01:23,370 or pregnancies. Yeah. 23 00:01:23,970 --> 00:01:29,370 Sympathy. contractions, sympathy sympathy. Sympathy dumps. 24 00:01:29,370 --> 00:01:30,060 Exactly. 25 00:01:30,690 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaking of dogs, I was I've finished up something right. 26 00:01:34,380 --> 00:01:36,480 Before right before the show here. 27 00:01:36,510 --> 00:01:40,650 Okay. Seriously, we do we need to know about your dump before 28 00:01:40,650 --> 00:01:41,160 the show. 29 00:01:43,590 --> 00:01:47,880 That was such a smooth segue that we did aid it didn't even 30 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:53,490 come across. Now actually put some stuff into our some new a 31 00:01:53,490 --> 00:01:57,240 new field into the into our nightly database dump. 32 00:01:57,420 --> 00:02:00,360 Yeah. Which is the enclosure URL of the most recent episode, I 33 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:01,410 think. Yeah, 34 00:02:01,470 --> 00:02:04,650 that's right. Yeah, I just did that like literally like an hour 35 00:02:04,650 --> 00:02:04,860 ago. 36 00:02:05,010 --> 00:02:09,030 Now what? Who, who benefits from that? Just so I understand. 37 00:02:10,860 --> 00:02:15,030 I think everybody can benefit. But the person who brought it 38 00:02:15,030 --> 00:02:18,180 up, they said they wanted it was James Cridland. And the reason 39 00:02:18,180 --> 00:02:25,320 he wanted it was because he wanted a way to compare. Well, a 40 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,530 way to find out who did from one host to another, 41 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,790 right. And also, I guess this whole thing with redirect URLs 42 00:02:32,790 --> 00:02:33,780 that's been going on? 43 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,350 Well, yeah, that's another thing that can be gleaned out of it 44 00:02:37,350 --> 00:02:41,070 true. Yeah. I think like if you have the last. So this is what 45 00:02:41,070 --> 00:02:45,690 happens. Sometimes, somebody will use a host to host their 46 00:02:45,690 --> 00:02:49,140 mp3, but they'll self host the feed somewhere else, right? So 47 00:02:49,140 --> 00:02:53,370 you really don't know like your, you can be self hosted with your 48 00:02:53,370 --> 00:02:58,230 feed on like powerpress cast a pod. But then you could have 49 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,650 your mp3 is because of bandwidth. You can have your mp3 50 00:03:01,650 --> 00:03:05,970 enclosures up with Lipson or blueberry brussel sprouts like 51 00:03:05,970 --> 00:03:10,680 that. Right. And so I think it's gives you another way just 52 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,620 because just because the feed didn't change doesn't mean the 53 00:03:13,620 --> 00:03:18,120 host didn't change. And so that gives you another comparison 54 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:18,540 route. 55 00:03:18,630 --> 00:03:21,150 Okay, now Oh, okay. Oh, good. I 56 00:03:21,150 --> 00:03:23,520 think it can, I think it could be useful for other stuff too, 57 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:29,370 like, we were talking about on the mastodon where you have the 58 00:03:29,370 --> 00:03:32,850 ability now to, to do some checking. So now you have a big 59 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,240 dump of all the feeds and the enclosures and this and now you 60 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:42,330 can do things like check for cores, access on the feed and 61 00:03:42,330 --> 00:03:44,850 the enclosures and see if some of them are out. 62 00:03:44,910 --> 00:03:51,180 You know, this is such a such a hassle. This course is just a 63 00:03:51,180 --> 00:03:52,080 nightmare, 64 00:03:52,890 --> 00:03:55,740 huh? Now, it's important though, like so? 65 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,630 I don't think but this seems to be no universal. Kind of like, 66 00:04:00,630 --> 00:04:04,260 okay, here's my node ID which I approve it from now on forever. 67 00:04:05,130 --> 00:04:08,370 That would be great. That's how I that's what I'm looking for. 68 00:04:08,550 --> 00:04:11,910 It's like everyone is seems like everyone has different ideas and 69 00:04:11,910 --> 00:04:14,400 how to implement it. But really, it's the podcaster that should 70 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,370 do it differently. But then, I mean, I even saw that you have 71 00:04:17,370 --> 00:04:20,640 to ask void zero about something with the podcasting 2.0 feed. 72 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,760 What are we doing wrong with horse? What do I do wrong now? 73 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:24,750 I'm sad. 74 00:04:24,990 --> 00:04:30,750 Yeah. You're the the all the feeds for us a nogen mo effects 75 00:04:30,810 --> 00:04:37,230 peace, peace, PC 20. They're all none of them are cores, like 76 00:04:37,230 --> 00:04:40,500 they don't allow access, but for people who may not understand 77 00:04:40,500 --> 00:04:47,460 this, it what cross core stands for cross origin resource 78 00:04:47,460 --> 00:04:52,770 sharing. So the idea there is so in the browser. The one thing 79 00:04:52,770 --> 00:04:59,340 that is sacrosanct is same origin. So for in order for 80 00:04:59,340 --> 00:05:05,430 JavaScript To execute in the browser, the browser has to have 81 00:05:05,430 --> 00:05:09,450 loaded a resource that is from that server, that's or from that 82 00:05:09,450 --> 00:05:13,590 domain. Right. Okay. So the origin domain is considered the 83 00:05:13,590 --> 00:05:19,170 only thing that can execute JavaScript. communicate with 84 00:05:19,170 --> 00:05:20,190 other resource now 85 00:05:20,190 --> 00:05:23,190 that's okay. I understand the hijack issues. Yes. Okay, 86 00:05:23,220 --> 00:05:27,120 good. So if you don't if you have to, if you just willy nilly 87 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,190 open up your pores and don't think about it, well, you could 88 00:05:29,190 --> 00:05:32,850 end up allowing what's called cross site request forgeries, 89 00:05:33,390 --> 00:05:37,230 and things like that were cut where JavaScript in one site is 90 00:05:37,230 --> 00:05:41,640 executing code in another site. So that's, you're screwed. 91 00:05:41,670 --> 00:05:44,250 I think that's a must be illegal in many states. 92 00:05:45,690 --> 00:05:47,370 Yes, it is in Alabama. 93 00:05:51,180 --> 00:05:54,540 masca bitch. In Texas. 94 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,190 For real Yeah, we. Well, I've got a clip. 95 00:05:59,220 --> 00:06:01,530 Oh, lordy, Lordy. Oh, 96 00:06:01,530 --> 00:06:04,740 she's gonna get clips here. Okay, this is completely 97 00:06:04,740 --> 00:06:08,310 irrelevant. I see. I got a clip a memo 98 00:06:08,340 --> 00:06:14,640 though. Me Ma. Yeah. So I called Mark marmi. Okay, 99 00:06:14,669 --> 00:06:16,709 yeah, you want to give a little bit? Uh, yeah. 100 00:06:17,280 --> 00:06:20,550 This is the governor of Alabama, Alabama. 101 00:06:20,580 --> 00:06:23,910 Even with this positive news. I have been Dr. Harris and I both 102 00:06:23,910 --> 00:06:29,250 convinced that we need to get past Easter. And hopefully allow 103 00:06:29,250 --> 00:06:33,150 more Alabamians to get their first shot. Before we take a 104 00:06:33,150 --> 00:06:36,000 step at some of the states have taken to remove the mask 105 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,960 altogether and lift up the restrictions. Folks, we're not 106 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,920 there yet, but goodness knows we're getting close. To bonafide 107 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,730 auto will include several changes that will ease up some 108 00:06:47,730 --> 00:06:51,570 of our current restrictions, while keeping our mask already 109 00:06:51,570 --> 00:06:56,520 in place for another five weeks, April 9. But let me be 110 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:01,830 abundantly clear. after April the ninth, I will not keep the 111 00:07:01,860 --> 00:07:08,040 mask on in effect. Okay. And when we even even when we lift 112 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:12,060 the mask off, I will continue to wear my mask while I'm around 113 00:07:12,090 --> 00:07:15,270 others and strongly urge my fellow citizens to use common 114 00:07:15,270 --> 00:07:18,390 sense and do the same thing. There you go. That didn't stop. 115 00:07:18,390 --> 00:07:22,170 I actually forgot what was in this. Because I've been carrying 116 00:07:22,170 --> 00:07:23,190 this clip for a few weeks. 117 00:07:23,220 --> 00:07:26,250 Well, what the one thing that's interesting is that she sounds 118 00:07:26,250 --> 00:07:31,200 like that actor. This kind of small guy, old guy gray hair, 119 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,830 and he's always like the crazy gay uncle. I don't know. 120 00:07:36,510 --> 00:07:38,130 She sounds like Foghorn Leghorn. 121 00:07:38,460 --> 00:07:42,570 Do you remember willing Grace? Oh, no, you never watch willing 122 00:07:42,570 --> 00:07:44,850 grace. Okay, nevermind. Sorry. It doesn't matter. 123 00:07:46,290 --> 00:07:52,500 What that Okay, so that that accent is Old South? Oh, yeah, 124 00:07:52,500 --> 00:07:57,660 it is. And that is pre priests. Whenever you hear somebody in 125 00:07:57,660 --> 00:08:01,200 the south talking like that. They they either come from Old 126 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:05,970 South politics, or Old South money. That's you too, because 127 00:08:06,090 --> 00:08:09,870 nobody talks like that in the state of Alabama. Except for 128 00:08:09,870 --> 00:08:15,300 about there's only about 5% of our of Alabamians or Georgians 129 00:08:15,330 --> 00:08:19,050 or Mississippians that sound like that where they live, where 130 00:08:19,050 --> 00:08:22,980 they have the soft are on the end right? sound like it's 131 00:08:22,980 --> 00:08:24,090 certainly Foghorn Leghorn. 132 00:08:24,119 --> 00:08:27,209 And when you encounter one of these 5% do you go kick him in 133 00:08:27,209 --> 00:08:29,429 the shins? Or or what are you supposed to do? 134 00:08:29,820 --> 00:08:31,110 Now? Cuz, buddy go 135 00:08:31,230 --> 00:08:32,460 Oh, okay. 136 00:08:33,509 --> 00:08:36,059 No, they're usually they're usually in politics, Southern 137 00:08:36,059 --> 00:08:39,959 politics, but that no, that's not ad. This is like say it's 138 00:08:39,959 --> 00:08:44,429 completely off topic. But the she screwed this up so bad 139 00:08:44,429 --> 00:08:50,939 because which the power of the mask mandate is the lifting of 140 00:08:50,939 --> 00:08:54,059 the mandate? Yes, of course. Because Yeah, cuz then you can 141 00:08:54,059 --> 00:08:55,559 say three 142 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,839 die. Yes. Freedom. Freedom. 143 00:08:58,019 --> 00:09:01,289 Yes. Which you never you never want to say, okay, we're gonna 144 00:09:01,289 --> 00:09:05,039 lift the mass mandate. But I encourage you to still wear one. 145 00:09:05,129 --> 00:09:06,329 No, no, 146 00:09:06,330 --> 00:09:09,480 that's wrong. That's that's what Adler said here in Texas in 147 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:09,930 Austin. 148 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,020 Yeah, that's a total screwup Just wait Just wait and lift it 149 00:09:13,020 --> 00:09:15,870 when you can actually do it don't don't like you know half 150 00:09:15,870 --> 00:09:16,410 acid like 151 00:09:17,730 --> 00:09:22,650 Dave, don't get me started on this place. Sorry. Don't get 152 00:09:22,860 --> 00:09:30,090 Don't get me started. Hey, chapters are going nuts. So I'm 153 00:09:30,090 --> 00:09:34,020 seeing people tweet their smartwatches I think using 154 00:09:34,020 --> 00:09:39,090 podcast addict where the chapter images chapter artists rotating 155 00:09:39,090 --> 00:09:48,690 on their watch. overcast has not after implementing chapter 156 00:09:48,690 --> 00:09:54,390 images, if you want to embed them into your file is now also 157 00:09:54,390 --> 00:09:59,610 showing so showing chapter links with URLs. So even though he 158 00:09:59,610 --> 00:10:01,800 didn't know Even though Yeah, even though he's doing it his 159 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,400 own way, we're driving innovation because clearly these 160 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,590 are features that his users want to. 161 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,300 Oh, yeah. That was a that was kind of an uproar with the 162 00:10:12,300 --> 00:10:15,510 whole. him skipping? 163 00:10:17,279 --> 00:10:24,539 Ah, yeah. Yeah, whatever. He reversed that. But But yeah, 164 00:10:24,929 --> 00:10:27,389 that's that's for the ad guys to go figure out I'm not that 165 00:10:27,389 --> 00:10:31,829 interested. But the fact that we're driving features in his in 166 00:10:31,829 --> 00:10:34,409 his universe, I think is important. Well, 167 00:10:34,409 --> 00:10:36,479 I think we can I think we're about to drop some more, because 168 00:10:36,479 --> 00:10:39,869 that's one of the things that we're going to add. In Phase 169 00:10:39,869 --> 00:10:44,009 Three, we need to talk about that. One, if you want to do 170 00:10:44,009 --> 00:10:45,179 that, or gas. Yeah, 171 00:10:45,179 --> 00:10:48,659 I'd like to do that with the guest. Okay, who is who is 172 00:10:48,659 --> 00:10:51,269 patiently standing by. So? 173 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,619 Yeah, but we're gonna drive that some more. Because I mean, we 174 00:10:55,619 --> 00:10:59,219 need to put some more stuff into the chapter spec. I love the 175 00:10:59,219 --> 00:11:03,989 chapter spec because it's extensible. And we may get our 176 00:11:03,989 --> 00:11:06,149 first extension this on this next go around 177 00:11:06,149 --> 00:11:07,619 here. What's that gonna be? 178 00:11:08,399 --> 00:11:11,249 location, we need to put the location tag. 179 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,790 Right, right, and can be an independent location tag for 180 00:11:14,790 --> 00:11:16,050 each chapter mark. 181 00:11:16,710 --> 00:11:20,610 Yeah, yeah. So you could tag each chapter for walking tours 182 00:11:20,610 --> 00:11:21,300 and stuff like that. 183 00:11:21,330 --> 00:11:23,550 Right. So that's the map guys who showed up. That was really 184 00:11:23,550 --> 00:11:28,470 nice to see them. What are they called? The maps? Fm map.fm. 185 00:11:28,470 --> 00:11:36,090 Yeah. FM. I love this. I love like, Hey, I'm a map guy. Got 186 00:11:36,090 --> 00:11:37,680 anything for map guys? 187 00:11:38,279 --> 00:11:40,049 Yes, we did. Why? Yes. 188 00:11:40,050 --> 00:11:43,170 We do have Oh, this is nice, too. They have one of their 189 00:11:43,230 --> 00:11:47,040 their podcasts where they have with podcasts. Oh, it's all is 190 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:48,180 all podcasts? 191 00:11:48,899 --> 00:11:50,039 Yeah, I think it's a podcast. 192 00:11:51,690 --> 00:11:56,460 Oh, okay. Discover great stories. Maps. FM helps you 193 00:11:56,460 --> 00:11:59,670 discover great stories about the places we live the places we're 194 00:11:59,670 --> 00:12:01,530 from, and the places we travel. 195 00:12:02,639 --> 00:12:06,359 Yeah, I mean, like, Chapter stuff would be perfect. 196 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:12,330 No, it's outstanding. This is cool with this map. Zoom in. Can 197 00:12:12,330 --> 00:12:13,770 I be the first in Austin? 198 00:12:15,899 --> 00:12:16,709 Unlikely. 199 00:12:17,639 --> 00:12:20,399 This is like geo tagging. Do you remember geo tagging? 200 00:12:20,429 --> 00:12:25,739 Oh, hell yeah. Well, you know, I way back when I still had my I 201 00:12:25,739 --> 00:12:30,269 river recorder. mp3 player. Yeah, it is old ran on us, I 202 00:12:30,269 --> 00:12:36,059 think a single double A battery forever. I and I hooked it up to 203 00:12:36,089 --> 00:12:40,319 a professional wireless lav microphone, which didn't even 204 00:12:40,319 --> 00:12:42,899 have to be wireless. But it had some dynamics in there. The 205 00:12:42,899 --> 00:12:46,139 combination with the with the I river was just fucking amazing. 206 00:12:46,139 --> 00:12:49,409 I record in my airplane, everything with that thing. So I 207 00:12:49,409 --> 00:12:54,809 do what I then called sights, sound seeing tours. And I but I 208 00:12:54,809 --> 00:13:00,209 had it, it was stereo. So I would be walking. I think one of 209 00:13:00,209 --> 00:13:05,279 the most memorable ones probably was Union Square San Francisco 210 00:13:05,279 --> 00:13:08,069 at midnight, nothing but homeless people. And you know, I 211 00:13:08,069 --> 00:13:10,679 was just talking to all of us seeing what was going on with 212 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:15,389 him. And others walk around. And then and it gave a really cool 213 00:13:15,389 --> 00:13:20,399 Kind of, yeah. In a way virtual reality. If you just close your 214 00:13:20,399 --> 00:13:22,949 eyes and just listen to it, you know, it was really nice. And 215 00:13:22,949 --> 00:13:26,069 now theater of the mind is totally theater of the mind. So, 216 00:13:26,099 --> 00:13:28,919 you know, being able to add some things to visualize that, 217 00:13:28,919 --> 00:13:33,149 especially with location, I'm seeing how important searches is 218 00:13:33,179 --> 00:13:40,049 has become. Really is it I think it really is a big way people 219 00:13:40,049 --> 00:13:41,609 find stuff. Well, 220 00:13:41,610 --> 00:13:45,840 I mean, how had a look, Alabama grist mill is right. 221 00:13:45,870 --> 00:13:49,950 I mean, I know it sounds like Captain Obvious is yes. 222 00:13:50,039 --> 00:13:52,739 Yes. had this idea that search officers Yeah. 223 00:13:54,419 --> 00:13:57,119 It's just I look for the interactions, you know, how 224 00:13:57,119 --> 00:14:00,719 people share podcasts, okay. And, you know, they go to their 225 00:14:00,719 --> 00:14:04,289 Google or DuckDuckGo, which is a browser with a homepage set to, 226 00:14:04,379 --> 00:14:08,969 you know, whichever search engine it is, and they just type 227 00:14:08,969 --> 00:14:11,849 it in there. And they'll click around and I don't even know how 228 00:14:11,849 --> 00:14:14,729 many people searched for it in a podcast app. And they probably 229 00:14:14,729 --> 00:14:17,759 look for it online first and then or, I don't know, it 230 00:14:17,759 --> 00:14:20,999 doesn't seem to be a straightforward thing. Most 231 00:14:20,999 --> 00:14:24,119 people just tell someone else about it. And you find it 232 00:14:24,750 --> 00:14:29,160 maybe I mean, does our search is it okay does it need to improve 233 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,070 like how does it suck? Do we need to make it better? 234 00:14:33,450 --> 00:14:36,750 Sometimes I feel like I have to be very exact to get the match. 235 00:14:37,140 --> 00:14:45,720 Yeah. So that part is very non you know, I use quant as my as 236 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:46,440 my search. 237 00:14:48,389 --> 00:14:51,509 You have been through so many searches. No. 238 00:14:52,139 --> 00:14:53,639 centralized search. 239 00:14:53,699 --> 00:14:55,259 That was my favorite AC E. 240 00:14:55,740 --> 00:15:01,920 Yeah, another what search engine gate no AC Why you see why oh my 241 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:06,150 god, I ran GAC instances. And it was really cool because the 242 00:15:06,150 --> 00:15:08,760 results that would come up were so wildly different from 243 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,700 anything anywhere else. You know, a lot of German results. 244 00:15:12,090 --> 00:15:16,860 Like Yeah, okay, this is Adam. I'm Google Search googling, I'm 245 00:15:16,860 --> 00:15:17,880 searching myself. 246 00:15:19,980 --> 00:15:20,490 Shit. Yeah, 247 00:15:20,549 --> 00:15:23,489 I remember cuz that was the one that you could like hook in your 248 00:15:23,489 --> 00:15:27,659 own your like your own stuff. So it would index other things 249 00:15:27,659 --> 00:15:28,889 besides just the internet, I'm 250 00:15:28,889 --> 00:15:32,699 sure. A little world I'm sure I tried to convince you to build 251 00:15:32,699 --> 00:15:34,799 something like that with me at 1.0 252 00:15:34,799 --> 00:15:37,889 Well, you I mean, I had an AC server connected to your C. 253 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,620 rating, we're federating AC servers. Okay. Alright. boomers, 254 00:15:43,650 --> 00:15:49,080 shut up and move on with podcasting. 2.0. Before we get 255 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,270 to our guest, cuz I think that this kind of falls into we got 256 00:15:51,270 --> 00:15:53,970 to do some hot namespace talk. We didn't have it last show a 257 00:15:53,970 --> 00:15:54,990 lot of complaints. 258 00:15:55,409 --> 00:15:55,919 No, yeah. A 259 00:15:56,700 --> 00:16:02,760 lot of complaints. Yeah. The cancel cannon is coming. coming 260 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:07,170 for Patreon. And for and for podcast advertisers. Oh, yeah. 261 00:16:07,470 --> 00:16:09,690 So you actually have that article I'm having in front of 262 00:16:09,690 --> 00:16:13,230 me. And was it the New York Times? Talking about a variety? 263 00:16:13,830 --> 00:16:18,090 variety? Okay, there's your Hollywood insider magazine. So 264 00:16:18,090 --> 00:16:21,090 they're putting together a what's it called the podcast 265 00:16:21,090 --> 00:16:22,440 Advisory Committee. 266 00:16:22,830 --> 00:16:25,410 You're gonna tell me how this works. Because I bailed out on 267 00:16:25,410 --> 00:16:27,540 this article, like two paragraphs. And because I 268 00:16:27,540 --> 00:16:32,790 thought this is this is Adams turf, says the media roundtable 269 00:16:35,490 --> 00:16:38,460 of organizations that aims to promote civility and stronger 270 00:16:38,460 --> 00:16:39,780 dialogue in media. 271 00:16:40,110 --> 00:16:40,740 Yeah. Okay. 272 00:16:40,770 --> 00:16:46,050 So I'll explain what this is. So the big advertisers, who really 273 00:16:46,050 --> 00:16:49,860 can't be bothered with, they just want to report and how much 274 00:16:50,190 --> 00:16:53,670 did I get return on investment for my money. And someone can 275 00:16:53,670 --> 00:16:56,130 always say half of it worked. We just can't tell you which half 276 00:16:56,130 --> 00:17:01,680 that's the old joke. But, but the agency sits in the middle, 277 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,890 and they are the buyers and they do these placements. And 278 00:17:05,850 --> 00:17:09,030 historically, these have been very young people to very shit 279 00:17:09,030 --> 00:17:13,770 paying job. And you actually make a, you get a lot of 280 00:17:13,770 --> 00:17:19,320 incentives from the media networks, with, you know, Knicks 281 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:23,460 tickets and stuff like that. So this, you know, there's a lot 282 00:17:23,460 --> 00:17:26,970 of, and then just open about it, you know, it's like, yeah, I'll 283 00:17:26,970 --> 00:17:30,480 place an order with him. So it's all kind of loosey goosey. 284 00:17:30,900 --> 00:17:33,150 And it's the brown shoes, guys. You talk about? 285 00:17:33,540 --> 00:17:36,660 No, no, the brown shoe guys and gals are the ones that go out on 286 00:17:36,660 --> 00:17:40,020 the road and sell hard for like a, you know, $100,000 contract. 287 00:17:40,020 --> 00:17:41,610 You know, that's, that's around you. And you got to have 288 00:17:41,610 --> 00:17:46,920 polished as brown shoes to do that job. Yeah, no. So these are 289 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:51,000 just media buyers who sit in the cube, and any of them just kind 290 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:52,650 of working through the spreadsheets and doing the 291 00:17:52,650 --> 00:17:55,260 numbers and trying to get some ROI. And they have a manager, 292 00:17:55,260 --> 00:17:57,900 but no one really cares about them that much in my experience. 293 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,880 And so now that we know, podcasting is a problem it, 294 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,640 everyone wants to try and capture it, everybody wants to 295 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:10,590 have their hand on it. And the content thought police don't 296 00:18:10,590 --> 00:18:13,590 like it. We've talked about the articles, Hey, who's moderating 297 00:18:13,590 --> 00:18:18,000 that shit over there. And it's really to protect big brands, 298 00:18:18,330 --> 00:18:25,230 who want nothing unsafe near their content. So the the this 299 00:18:25,230 --> 00:18:28,770 Roundtable, who, of course, are experts in all of these 300 00:18:28,770 --> 00:18:31,440 podcasts, and will have listened to every single second of every 301 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,630 single one of them knowing exactly which one is 302 00:18:33,630 --> 00:18:37,140 problematic. They'll make a list. And that list will be 303 00:18:37,140 --> 00:18:40,140 places that you don't necessarily want to advertise on 304 00:18:40,140 --> 00:18:44,790 because it could be problematic, or triggering, or anything like 305 00:18:44,790 --> 00:18:47,730 that now have a scale. It's like the Southern Poverty Law Center, 306 00:18:47,730 --> 00:18:50,640 they're going to have charts and they'll publish reports, it's 307 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,700 Roundtable, they will accomplish nothing, the only be 308 00:18:53,700 --> 00:19:00,450 destructive. And I think it's partially, just to I won't even 309 00:19:00,450 --> 00:19:03,840 say it's political, I'd say it's just to, they just can't fucking 310 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:08,670 stand it. They want control over this wild west. Like this. It's 311 00:19:08,670 --> 00:19:11,310 too good, you know, and look, they're bumbling around, they 312 00:19:11,310 --> 00:19:14,070 clearly can't make any money out of this thing. It's only worth a 313 00:19:14,070 --> 00:19:17,130 billion dollars. Hey, we'll come in, we'll shore that shit up. 314 00:19:17,130 --> 00:19:19,530 And we'll make it great for advertising. That's what's going 315 00:19:19,530 --> 00:19:20,010 on here. 316 00:19:20,580 --> 00:19:25,770 That's interesting. Because I was looking at this Magellan top 317 00:19:25,770 --> 00:19:30,570 15 advertisers in February of 2020 when I printed this out, so 318 00:19:30,570 --> 00:19:34,890 if you add it all up their top 15 is like 28 million. So that's 319 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:41,340 about 340 million annually from these top. So you have about a 320 00:19:41,340 --> 00:19:47,400 third of the total revenue comes from 15 advertisers, yeah, 321 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:52,740 annually. That's not very broad. It's not broad and the so but if 322 00:19:52,740 --> 00:19:56,670 you dig down a little deeper and look at which ones of these are 323 00:19:56,670 --> 00:20:01,620 just kind of VC, so better helps. recruiter Hello, Fresh 324 00:20:01,620 --> 00:20:02,730 Express VPN 325 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:07,590 now those are all really call to action ads. So it involves you 326 00:20:07,590 --> 00:20:11,910 remembering the code typically toted Yeah, different type of, 327 00:20:12,060 --> 00:20:14,640 of budget, different type of deal. And there is some 328 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,790 performance based on, on on what's happening. Because that's 329 00:20:17,850 --> 00:20:22,980 because I mean, this is deja vu had the same conversations the 330 00:20:22,980 --> 00:20:27,720 same bullshit, brand safe content. We need to have codes 331 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:29,640 to really know that people are listening and not just 332 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,020 downloading and not listening. 333 00:20:31,230 --> 00:20:32,610 Oh, 334 00:20:34,589 --> 00:20:38,519 damn shit. This is why we're here. This is why we're here. 335 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:43,170 What happens when the VA when these VC what companies flip 336 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:47,460 like betterhelp? That's like a I think that's like a mental 337 00:20:47,460 --> 00:20:48,330 health thing. 338 00:20:50,190 --> 00:20:51,660 The advertisers, these are 339 00:20:51,660 --> 00:20:55,470 the advertisers. Yeah. Their help was number one at 4.3 340 00:20:55,470 --> 00:20:56,400 million. Yeah, 341 00:20:56,490 --> 00:21:01,560 you get an implosion like sock puppet, pets.com. Bubble. 342 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,410 I mean, if they if they keep that up, they've been the top 343 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,260 they've been the top advertisers not three months. 344 00:21:07,380 --> 00:21:11,910 What I need to know is Verizon advertising is at&t advertising 345 00:21:11,910 --> 00:21:17,550 is Pfizer advertising. That's what I need to know. Is BMW 346 00:21:17,700 --> 00:21:21,870 advertising is GM advertising. Are they on the list? Well, 347 00:21:21,869 --> 00:21:26,069 I mean, you got you got Geico progressive NBC? No, no, I'm 348 00:21:26,069 --> 00:21:28,619 talking about America on 349 00:21:29,790 --> 00:21:33,990 Thursday, so I'm talking capital arm, pharma. Okay, they got 350 00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:36,000 financials? IBM? 351 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,510 No, there's no pharma on this list at all. Look, 352 00:21:39,570 --> 00:21:43,530 I'm going to tell you what the end, what always winds up 353 00:21:43,530 --> 00:21:46,680 happening. I'm just gonna say right now, when you have a 354 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:53,610 monetization system, is you always wind up making content 355 00:21:53,850 --> 00:21:57,750 for the advertiser. And, and where typically winds up with 356 00:21:57,750 --> 00:22:01,530 podcast networks. And you're already seeing this at Spotify, 357 00:22:01,950 --> 00:22:06,240 is they're doing podcasts. On spec, they're doing they're 358 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:11,550 doing basically native advertising. For the big 359 00:22:11,550 --> 00:22:16,050 advertisers, I will do a series about you know, building, 360 00:22:16,770 --> 00:22:20,280 putting together IKEA furniture, IKEA. You know, we'll do a 361 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,160 podcast about that. And I've been down that road. That's what 362 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,770 always winds up. What always winds up happening. 363 00:22:26,460 --> 00:22:31,710 Yeah, it's annoying. If these VC if these, like so much of this 364 00:22:31,710 --> 00:22:37,860 list at the top is top heavy with VC backed companies, those 365 00:22:37,860 --> 00:22:44,970 things can implode so fast. If if the like, there's 4.3 million 366 00:22:44,970 --> 00:22:47,580 from betterhelp 1.8, from ziprecruiter, 1.8, from 367 00:22:47,580 --> 00:22:50,700 hellofresh and 1.7. From ExpressVPN. If those things 368 00:22:50,700 --> 00:22:54,330 vanished within a couple of months, I mean, that's like 50 369 00:22:54,330 --> 00:22:58,740 million in revenue gone annually. Like packages 370 00:22:58,740 --> 00:23:01,650 evaporate. I don't think I mean, I said very, 371 00:23:01,950 --> 00:23:05,460 very, very small. It's very, very small. A billion dollars is 372 00:23:05,460 --> 00:23:08,580 nothing in 17 years. 18 years. It's nothing. 373 00:23:08,879 --> 00:23:12,359 It's not what what one pharma company probably does that. 374 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:17,190 We're gonna run a billion dollars a year in satoshis to 375 00:23:17,190 --> 00:23:18,540 podcast ecosystem 376 00:23:20,670 --> 00:23:25,410 match based based on how much thanks was robbed the chat was 377 00:23:25,410 --> 00:23:27,000 rockin this week. Holy 378 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:31,140 shit, that was crazy. is outrageous. I'd sent you the 379 00:23:31,140 --> 00:23:36,030 chart right of the I mean, we've already done 13,000 transactions 380 00:23:36,030 --> 00:23:39,870 30 days trailing, which means the podcast index has been 381 00:23:39,870 --> 00:23:43,920 involved in 13,000 transactions. That's that's pretty this. 382 00:23:45,150 --> 00:23:47,340 We're, that's on the way up. 383 00:23:47,820 --> 00:23:50,520 Well, it's me. Usually I wake up in the morning, unless Fink's 384 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,650 chat has the little badge on it that says you have any new 385 00:23:52,650 --> 00:23:54,480 messages or in the trouble? Oh, 386 00:23:54,510 --> 00:23:57,030 I had to get a new app. Mine crashed. There were too many 387 00:23:57,030 --> 00:23:59,820 messages. Really? Yeah. What 388 00:23:59,940 --> 00:24:03,780 did I mean I woke up, I guess it was Thursday morning. And I 389 00:24:03,780 --> 00:24:09,750 usually it's like, 2815 to 20. I woke up and it was 400. And I 390 00:24:09,750 --> 00:24:10,110 was like, 391 00:24:11,339 --> 00:24:15,209 Marty in the head, Paul, on that. Tales from the Crypt. 392 00:24:15,810 --> 00:24:19,620 Yeah, I mean, it was it went to the next sort of the next level. 393 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,360 Oh, yeah. A couple of days ago. 394 00:24:21,570 --> 00:24:24,150 Now. It's and we'll also, you know, the Sphinx guys have 395 00:24:24,150 --> 00:24:26,400 figured out that there's still some growing pains, but they 396 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,640 figured out their node provisioning. So that's that's 397 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:35,880 rockin Yeah. Marty's coming to Austin. 398 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:38,850 Is he is moving there. 399 00:24:38,910 --> 00:24:43,590 Now. He says a pilgrimage with his smoking hot wife. I said, 400 00:24:43,590 --> 00:24:46,770 Oh, good. I'll introduce you to my smoking hot wife. We'll go 401 00:24:46,770 --> 00:24:47,370 out to dinner. 402 00:24:47,820 --> 00:24:52,710 Yeah, that'd be nice. Yeah. So where's he where's he lives in 403 00:24:52,710 --> 00:24:54,540 California? Gosh, I 404 00:24:54,540 --> 00:24:58,140 want to say he lives I don't know. I really, I think he lives 405 00:24:58,140 --> 00:25:03,900 in some like between us. 67 and use 68 on the on the UHF dial. I 406 00:25:04,260 --> 00:25:09,900 was listening that space in between those two, between home 407 00:25:09,900 --> 00:25:13,050 shopping your local home shopping and a Bible guy. You 408 00:25:13,050 --> 00:25:14,700 know, that's that's one of those men. 409 00:25:15,900 --> 00:25:18,750 Yet, that's one thing you'll need more of an Austin is more 410 00:25:18,750 --> 00:25:19,260 people. 411 00:25:19,470 --> 00:25:24,450 So really. So just hooking into that then I want to get to our 412 00:25:24,450 --> 00:25:31,170 guests. This bubble graph that Martin marnix is made. Yeah. Oh 413 00:25:31,170 --> 00:25:34,890 my god. I mean, that's beautiful. Now, if you look at 414 00:25:34,890 --> 00:25:36,930 this, and if you haven't seen that, put a link in the show 415 00:25:36,930 --> 00:25:41,580 notes. When you see this graph, it represents for the first 416 00:25:41,580 --> 00:25:46,320 time, you know, people say, what is podcasting, this is a 417 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:54,540 visualization of the value flow of the podcast eco system. I 418 00:25:54,540 --> 00:25:58,500 mean, it is, to me, it is absolutely a thing of beauty. In 419 00:25:58,500 --> 00:26:01,500 the way you can see the connections and who's routed to 420 00:26:01,500 --> 00:26:05,880 who this is going to be that somehow this, this visualization 421 00:26:05,910 --> 00:26:09,510 of what's going on is going to be important in the future. I'm 422 00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:12,840 not quite sure why. But it feels like you almost want to I want 423 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,140 to surf those nodes. You know, like, Here I am on a on a 424 00:26:16,140 --> 00:26:19,200 surfing like, oh, I've got a channel, Oh, I got a fat ass 425 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,690 channel over here, what's connected to this. I mean, this 426 00:26:21,690 --> 00:26:25,950 may be how you can discover podcasts, based upon proximity 427 00:26:25,950 --> 00:26:29,610 to nodes, you know, I'm, I'm trying to get my swings relayed 428 00:26:29,610 --> 00:26:35,730 to which is working now I'm trying to get it is supposed to 429 00:26:35,730 --> 00:26:39,330 be able to create the virtual nodes. So I can just invite a 430 00:26:39,330 --> 00:26:43,200 whole bunch of people and they can use the the Sphinx chat app 431 00:26:43,890 --> 00:26:46,740 does I haven't gotten that working yet. But I can. So if 432 00:26:46,740 --> 00:26:49,350 you're connected to one of these, like Uncle Jim nodes with 433 00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:52,380 1000s of buddies hanging off of it, you're all kind of using one 434 00:26:52,410 --> 00:26:56,130 lmd even though you have your own keys, that's the whole idea 435 00:26:56,130 --> 00:26:57,840 of this. We've talked about we talked about in the last show 436 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:03,450 with Paul and Evan, that you might surf this this bubble 437 00:27:03,450 --> 00:27:06,840 graph is that oh, this is a community over here. No, that 438 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,810 could be a tribe it can be a node, people are hanging off a 439 00:27:09,810 --> 00:27:12,930 node you're like oh, who's here you know and and maybe that's 440 00:27:12,930 --> 00:27:16,530 where you find you may it's like the ultimate clubhouse yet 441 00:27:16,530 --> 00:27:20,460 they're also feeds for, for they're all podcasts related, 442 00:27:20,460 --> 00:27:24,090 which is very, it's very important how Pete This is what 443 00:27:24,510 --> 00:27:28,920 share my opml was always supposed to be remembered, but 444 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,280 it never really paid. It was just, you couldn't This to me is 445 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:37,140 the visualization. So now if I can see if I would be able to 446 00:27:37,140 --> 00:27:41,100 see your breeze node, I'm just in like why wouldn't I? I don't 447 00:27:41,100 --> 00:27:43,170 know if that's even possible. I'm just saying it let's say 448 00:27:43,380 --> 00:27:49,620 you're you know as a standalone podcast app then I and maybe you 449 00:27:49,620 --> 00:27:52,890 would let me see your connection. Well now I could see 450 00:27:52,890 --> 00:27:55,470 your connections from your wallet to the other podcast 451 00:27:55,470 --> 00:27:59,070 you're listening to and I can even see how much you value each 452 00:27:59,070 --> 00:28:04,890 one of them here really values this podcast highly and look 453 00:28:04,890 --> 00:28:09,120 where he valued it at this at this time stamp oh maybe listen 454 00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:10,530 to that part as a clip. 455 00:28:11,550 --> 00:28:14,190 Maybe we should maybe we should go ahead and bring in our guest 456 00:28:14,190 --> 00:28:15,240 because I think this is 457 00:28:16,589 --> 00:28:21,419 so right. And he's been very kind waiting. Waiting for us in 458 00:28:21,449 --> 00:28:26,729 which thing now it's only six hours later than than us because 459 00:28:26,729 --> 00:28:31,979 we somehow jumped to daylight savings time. Very happy to have 460 00:28:33,149 --> 00:28:38,429 from Paris. from Paris, France. Benjamin Bellamy. He is the man 461 00:28:38,429 --> 00:28:41,819 behind Casta pod. Welcome to podcasting. 2.0 Take a seat at 462 00:28:41,819 --> 00:28:42,989 the board table. 463 00:28:44,010 --> 00:28:44,700 Hi guys. 464 00:28:46,109 --> 00:28:47,189 Hey guys, there 465 00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:47,640 is 466 00:28:48,510 --> 00:28:52,200 I have a beef with you right off the bat he 467 00:28:52,350 --> 00:28:55,830 like like a true French man comes out swinging. Okay, what's 468 00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:56,160 up? 469 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:03,360 I have a beef with you and it is that you? I heard on this 470 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:10,920 morning on pod land. That you were on there? Yesterday. What 471 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:16,800 is up with that? Why did you on Cridland podcast? Oh 472 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:17,700 no. 473 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,700 Yeah, that's true. I hope that you wouldn't have listened to it 474 00:29:23,700 --> 00:29:24,570 yet. Ah, man. 475 00:29:24,599 --> 00:29:27,089 That's a rookie mistake for a guest buddy. I'll 476 00:29:27,090 --> 00:29:30,150 tell you. No, I skipped it. I skipped the whole I skipped the 477 00:29:30,150 --> 00:29:32,160 whole thing eluded 478 00:29:32,580 --> 00:29:35,580 me to I wanted to go in fresh. Absolutely. 479 00:29:35,609 --> 00:29:38,249 Yeah. And I don't want to I don't want Cridland infecting my 480 00:29:38,249 --> 00:29:38,549 mind. 481 00:29:41,849 --> 00:29:45,419 So Benjamin, first of all, How'd that go? that interview with pod 482 00:29:45,419 --> 00:29:46,649 land wasn't fun. 483 00:29:48,810 --> 00:29:51,330 I don't know if we couldn't say it was fun. It was really 484 00:29:51,330 --> 00:29:55,470 interesting. Actually, it was not we've Gen script and it was 485 00:29:55,470 --> 00:29:56,520 with Sam city. 486 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,080 Oh yeah, Sam Of course. Yeah. 487 00:29:58,470 --> 00:30:02,970 We're gonna have a couple weeks. As you might have guessed, they 488 00:30:02,970 --> 00:30:09,300 are really interesting. In the podcast recommendation tag that 489 00:30:09,660 --> 00:30:12,450 I suggested, I think it was last week. 490 00:30:13,950 --> 00:30:14,820 Yes, well, 491 00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:23,009 eventually, we talked about many, many things about what we 492 00:30:23,009 --> 00:30:27,899 do in the company that my partners and I started to build 493 00:30:28,019 --> 00:30:28,829 two years ago. 494 00:30:29,099 --> 00:30:31,859 And this is what I want to get into. We're gonna we're gonna do 495 00:30:31,859 --> 00:30:35,819 some some name some hot namespace talk with you. Cuz, 496 00:30:35,819 --> 00:30:41,249 you know, you're French, so. But I'd like to understand a little 497 00:30:41,249 --> 00:30:45,959 bit about your background. And, you know, so I'm familiar with 498 00:30:45,959 --> 00:30:50,699 Casta pod, which is the I would say the premier self hosting 499 00:30:50,729 --> 00:30:54,359 solution. And I mean, it's it's different from WordPress, but 500 00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:56,429 you know, then we'll get into the details of it. 501 00:30:57,300 --> 00:31:01,740 And, by the way, I'm not the only one behind it. We are 502 00:31:02,910 --> 00:31:04,560 working hard on it. Yes. 503 00:31:05,369 --> 00:31:08,729 Is that pod Libra? Is that the organization that you and your 504 00:31:08,729 --> 00:31:10,979 partner have? Yep. 505 00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:16,710 pod Libra is kind of a brand, where we are putting every open 506 00:31:16,710 --> 00:31:19,140 source solution that we're building. 507 00:31:20,250 --> 00:31:23,610 Got your cast, which I thought was very interesting. 508 00:31:23,820 --> 00:31:28,290 Yeah, exactly. But everything is hosted by the same company, 509 00:31:28,350 --> 00:31:33,900 which is called ad ohyes. Which means to to the IRS in Latin. 510 00:31:34,350 --> 00:31:41,580 Wow. Okay. Very nice. And actually, currently, I'm working 511 00:31:41,580 --> 00:31:46,950 on castparts, but not full time. And yes, in the re, is also 512 00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:53,010 working on it. And he's much better developer than I am. I'm 513 00:31:53,010 --> 00:31:54,870 not your real developer, right. every 514 00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:57,810 developer I speak to says that now that guy's much better than 515 00:31:57,810 --> 00:32:00,030 me. And it's much better than me. I'm no good. 516 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:07,800 Yeah, but I'm no good. And I'm old. Well, this is 517 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,710 a crummy developer, who's old that. 518 00:32:13,290 --> 00:32:16,470 Welcome home. Benjamin, you're here with the crummy developer, 519 00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:23,520 old guys? Yes. Beautiful. So this is not this is purely an 520 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,490 open source project doesn't make money do you have value 521 00:32:26,490 --> 00:32:30,180 donations is? Or how do you pay the rent? If you don't mind? 522 00:32:30,180 --> 00:32:30,540 Yes. 523 00:32:32,490 --> 00:32:37,620 So you talked about the gas? I didn't know that. You ever heard 524 00:32:37,620 --> 00:32:41,760 of this? Yes. Very proud of it. And by the way, I'm a little 525 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,390 impressed and intimidated to be in a podcast with the birth 526 00:32:45,390 --> 00:32:45,930 father. 527 00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:49,650 Oh, please. No, that's very kind of you to say, but you are you 528 00:32:49,650 --> 00:32:54,930 are a full fledged member here in the boardroom doing doing 529 00:32:54,930 --> 00:32:57,930 important work, I am very important what you're doing. And 530 00:32:57,930 --> 00:32:58,380 I 531 00:32:58,380 --> 00:32:59,670 don't think I'm worthy, but 532 00:33:00,089 --> 00:33:02,489 the important part time CEO. 533 00:33:03,780 --> 00:33:04,320 Right. 534 00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:09,390 So in the beginning, we were working on the gas, because our 535 00:33:09,390 --> 00:33:14,550 company which is selling contextual monetization 536 00:33:14,550 --> 00:33:24,300 solutions for podcasters. We, we hear that Apple was too powerful 537 00:33:24,330 --> 00:33:33,960 and has a censorship, power on everything. So we, we sold that. 538 00:33:34,980 --> 00:33:44,760 And an index that would be free from censorship would be very 539 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:51,300 soon necessary and mandatory for us to be able to work. And back 540 00:33:51,300 --> 00:33:56,580 in 2019, we were at the podcast movement in Orlando with my 541 00:33:56,580 --> 00:34:01,320 partner, and we started talking about this project to everyone. 542 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,840 And we got on the negative feedback. 543 00:34:05,220 --> 00:34:06,720 Wow, really? 544 00:34:06,990 --> 00:34:12,420 Yeah. But really interesting feedback. People were explaining 545 00:34:12,420 --> 00:34:18,420 to us that either user would wouldn't see the point like 546 00:34:19,530 --> 00:34:26,310 podcaster. That until you get kicked out. Yeah, you don't see 547 00:34:27,570 --> 00:34:28,470 the added value. 548 00:34:28,530 --> 00:34:32,220 Exactly. Now, let's just give you a trying to explain what der 549 00:34:32,220 --> 00:34:35,190 cast is. Dave, have you seen this product? Dirk has never 550 00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:40,140 even heard of it. Oh, so it's dude. It's on pod libra.org. And 551 00:34:40,140 --> 00:34:43,620 so the idea is it's a podcast index, which is stored on the 552 00:34:43,620 --> 00:34:46,980 blockchain. I'm just gonna cut straight to it. So and that's 553 00:34:46,980 --> 00:34:50,010 it. So you can't be d platformed. But they they and I 554 00:34:50,010 --> 00:34:53,610 just read through the description briefly. There is a 555 00:34:53,610 --> 00:34:59,400 way to augment or change your entries I believe. It's not 556 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,150 necessarily All immutable Is that correct? Benjamin? 557 00:35:03,180 --> 00:35:06,900 Yeah, yeah, it's a blockchain. So if you want to put a new 558 00:35:06,900 --> 00:35:10,680 information on top of an older one, you can just blow it out. 559 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:16,440 Okay. Yeah. Yeah. The idea was to be able to write and to read 560 00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:20,160 so that anyone could be able to read from the index and to write 561 00:35:20,190 --> 00:35:24,000 into the index. Because right now with the apple podcasts 562 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,120 index, you need permission to read and you need permission to 563 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:27,720 write. 564 00:35:28,530 --> 00:35:32,190 Yes, yes, yes. Yes. Well, so when you saw pod, the podcast, 565 00:35:32,190 --> 00:35:36,990 index.org project come up. Is that is that you say, oh, 566 00:35:36,990 --> 00:35:40,350 finally someone gets it? or How did you hear about us? What 567 00:35:40,350 --> 00:35:41,040 happened there? 568 00:35:41,700 --> 00:35:47,850 No, we first said, This guy stole our idea. 569 00:35:49,290 --> 00:35:51,450 Fucking Americans goddamnit. 570 00:35:53,310 --> 00:35:57,840 They took our palm free and call the french fries. Yeah, exactly. 571 00:36:00,450 --> 00:36:06,510 I actually, we were thrilled that you you launch it because 572 00:36:07,020 --> 00:36:15,870 we had to, to realize that we couldn't handle that project. We 573 00:36:15,870 --> 00:36:23,730 were we weren't legitimate to do it. Other people have tried to 574 00:36:23,730 --> 00:36:26,820 do it. But that failed. And we would have failed Of course. 575 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:34,230 Well, it's it's really? Yeah, it's a really good. It was 576 00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:38,130 really good news, when we saw that. You, you did it for us? 577 00:36:38,580 --> 00:36:41,550 And for free, because then we wouldn't have to pay for it? 578 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,370 Well, exactly. I mean, it's just, it's just value for value. 579 00:36:44,370 --> 00:36:46,920 And you know, you I know you understand that concept. But 580 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,850 yes, I'll tell you that I'm personally at then I think Dave, 581 00:36:50,850 --> 00:36:53,190 once he takes looked at it will be very interested in the 582 00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:56,550 concept because, you know, one of the things that is on our on 583 00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:59,940 our list is okay, how do we replicate this? How do we not 584 00:36:59,940 --> 00:37:03,750 become the weakest? The weakest link in the chain? How do we how 585 00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:06,990 do we distribute and decentralize the whole function? 586 00:37:06,990 --> 00:37:11,040 Now? That's just going to take time? Because, I mean, it's when 587 00:37:11,070 --> 00:37:13,650 you're literally building in your case, it would be like a 588 00:37:13,650 --> 00:37:16,080 new blockchain, you know, and then you got to get some 589 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:20,220 consensus, and developers have to agree and, and I think Dave 590 00:37:20,220 --> 00:37:24,660 Knight, like stuff that just kind of magically happens. Much 591 00:37:24,660 --> 00:37:27,330 like my favorite, we don't like manage anything. That's that's 592 00:37:27,330 --> 00:37:30,450 not really the point of this. And so far that that's, that's 593 00:37:30,450 --> 00:37:35,220 been going really well. And what I love about your story, is, you 594 00:37:35,220 --> 00:37:41,430 know, you are you're like us, me, you're radical. And and I 595 00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:44,850 have a feeling that is that something typical for you, your 596 00:37:44,850 --> 00:37:48,870 family? Is it? Is it just being French? I mean, is that is their 597 00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:52,890 overall vibe of fuck the man. We've seen some of it on the 598 00:37:52,890 --> 00:37:56,580 streets. But that's it. I'm really I love that I'm impressed 599 00:37:56,580 --> 00:38:00,990 with this vigor about getting away from the central 600 00:38:01,020 --> 00:38:03,300 centralized corporate corporate interest. 601 00:38:03,930 --> 00:38:06,660 I don't think we're radical at all. On the contrary, we are 602 00:38:06,660 --> 00:38:12,030 very pragmatic. Yes. Business and doing business, we pry your 603 00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:18,750 true competition. And if there is no competition, either, it 604 00:38:18,750 --> 00:38:22,710 means that there was no market server from the beginning, or 605 00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:27,090 that someone has a monopoly, which is messing up with 606 00:38:27,090 --> 00:38:35,250 everything. So it of course, there's a value issue here. And 607 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:43,800 we didn't start working on open source last year. But the the, 608 00:38:44,130 --> 00:38:49,650 the the first motivation that drove us to do that was 609 00:38:49,650 --> 00:38:54,090 business. It's good for business, open sources is a good 610 00:38:54,090 --> 00:38:57,570 thing for business. It is I so agree with you, I we look at 611 00:38:57,570 --> 00:39:01,350 this project, and I've done lots of startups, and I've done 612 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,550 venture capital private financing, I've taken the 613 00:39:05,550 --> 00:39:09,900 company public, this is by far the most rewarding, most fun 614 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:15,210 I've ever had. I mean, and and if it works out, yeah, we'll be 615 00:39:15,210 --> 00:39:18,870 able to participate in some of the upside. But what we're 616 00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:21,930 doing, I think, for the ecosystem and how that's come 617 00:39:21,930 --> 00:39:25,890 together, I can't I can't speak on your behalf day, but this is 618 00:39:25,890 --> 00:39:27,420 like a dream gig. 619 00:39:28,140 --> 00:39:30,810 Oh, yeah. Yeah, a lot. Oh, It's lots of fun. I agree with that. 620 00:39:30,810 --> 00:39:36,120 100% I mean, open source allows you to grow beyond your own 621 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,870 capacity. Yeah, that's only good for a project. I mean, you can't 622 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,480 otherwise, like literally I would have to be doing 623 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,590 everything. And number one, I can't. And I don't think a team 624 00:39:46,590 --> 00:39:51,420 you know your size can either, Benjamin, but then beyond that. 625 00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:55,440 There's things I don't know. I mean, we have so many people 626 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,330 that are contributed indeed the one thing you like we didn't 627 00:39:57,330 --> 00:40:01,710 even talk about this last week was Stephen King. I just 628 00:40:01,770 --> 00:40:05,610 completely redesigned our entire documentation. We mentioned it 629 00:40:05,610 --> 00:40:09,390 briefly. eautiful Yeah, yeah. It's beautiful. And he, I mean, 630 00:40:09,390 --> 00:40:11,910 he just took that upon himself because he's a documentation 631 00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:15,120 guy. That's sort of what he does for his main. But here, 632 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:20,220 here's the main one. So he did that. And then I think there was 633 00:40:20,220 --> 00:40:23,970 Martin, I think he said, when I was shit, I the older one wasn't 634 00:40:23,970 --> 00:40:27,270 broken, I liked it the way it is, but okay. Now, in a 635 00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:30,720 corporate environment, there would have been a meeting with 636 00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:35,160 had a meeting notes, a follow up, and some managers gonna have 637 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:40,230 to come in and say, Good focus group, black box, white box, a B 638 00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:48,210 testing, and then shit never gets done. Yep. To Benjamin cast 639 00:40:48,210 --> 00:40:53,160 a pod, which I think is an essential part of the ecosystem. 640 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:59,340 So when we decided that the forecast would stay in a drawer 641 00:40:59,340 --> 00:41:06,000 for quite a long time, we opened the second roller and there was 642 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:10,530 just a wish list in that one. And it was cast apart because we 643 00:41:10,530 --> 00:41:15,840 thought that actually, when we started working on podcasts, we 644 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,680 started to host a few ones we chose but cash generator from A 645 00:41:20,190 --> 00:41:28,860 to B tele show from RSS. Yeah. Because it's, it's open source, 646 00:41:28,890 --> 00:41:35,970 PHP, very easy, no database. And very soon we we were blocked 647 00:41:35,970 --> 00:41:41,730 because we couldn't enter like season numbers. And when we 648 00:41:41,730 --> 00:41:46,890 needed a modern version for that, so we we just wrote down 649 00:41:46,890 --> 00:41:51,690 the wish list. And weeks after weeks, months, after months, 650 00:41:51,870 --> 00:41:57,150 that wish list became so good looking, that we started talking 651 00:41:57,690 --> 00:42:03,990 about it around us. And eventually, we we sent it to nl 652 00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:05,880 net, which is 653 00:42:08,100 --> 00:42:10,140 I remember those guys, that's old school 654 00:42:10,140 --> 00:42:15,420 Grumman Netherlands. Yeah. Old school group. Sure. And they, 655 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:21,060 they work on the MG zero funds, rents from the, 656 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:23,070 from Europe. 657 00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:29,250 And they accepted our project. So you got accepted. He got a 658 00:42:29,250 --> 00:42:31,950 grant for this. Yeah. Grant. 659 00:42:33,060 --> 00:42:34,230 That's great. I love 660 00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:35,670 that. Fantastic. 661 00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:39,810 So the grant is not paying for everything that we're doing on 662 00:42:39,810 --> 00:42:46,470 that. But the thing is, first, we had confirmation that this 663 00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:51,810 was really something useful, that it's meant something not 664 00:42:51,810 --> 00:42:59,550 just for us, right. And then they're, they're behaving as a 665 00:42:59,580 --> 00:43:04,290 client. But okay, and who will not be using the product he's 666 00:43:04,290 --> 00:43:06,240 buying? So 667 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,310 this government is a government grant, or is this a private a 668 00:43:11,310 --> 00:43:12,360 private foundation? 669 00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:15,660 No, no, it's so good. It's more like it's government's. It's the 670 00:43:15,660 --> 00:43:17,760 Europe. Yes, your long 671 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:23,040 leave the EU, we're gonna fund this great idea and not use it 672 00:43:23,130 --> 00:43:24,030 now. Right? 673 00:43:24,090 --> 00:43:28,860 It's a cascading fund. So Europe, give them the grant so 674 00:43:28,860 --> 00:43:33,210 that they're redistributed, making it rain. So they were 675 00:43:33,210 --> 00:43:37,650 very picky about everything that we we propose, but in a very 676 00:43:37,650 --> 00:43:42,840 good way. They asked us to change many things. And but 677 00:43:42,990 --> 00:43:46,110 everything they asked, made so much sense, 678 00:43:46,140 --> 00:43:48,630 what was their main focus was their main focus, because this 679 00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:52,980 is very interesting. You know, this is, in essence, a podcast 680 00:43:53,010 --> 00:43:56,730 content management system that you can self host. And we'll get 681 00:43:56,730 --> 00:43:58,590 to the details of it. I'm sorry. 682 00:43:58,650 --> 00:44:02,490 First, I think the thing that they liked the most about our 683 00:44:02,490 --> 00:44:08,610 project and our approach was the fact that we we wanted to, to 684 00:44:08,610 --> 00:44:11,730 make together podcast and diverse. 685 00:44:13,500 --> 00:44:14,310 Right? 686 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,010 That's not in there yet. No, no, 687 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,840 but yeah, he's under the hood there. 688 00:44:19,140 --> 00:44:22,470 Okay. It's coming. It's a matter of days. 689 00:44:23,340 --> 00:44:25,560 Because you're because you're working on activity pub, right. 690 00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,390 Sorry. Yeah. On the activity posts. Yeah, actually, it's 691 00:44:30,390 --> 00:44:33,570 not me. It's yesin. Okay, yeah, but that's come How do 692 00:44:33,570 --> 00:44:34,920 I spell Yes. Saenz name 693 00:44:35,970 --> 00:44:43,500 why a si and E. Okay. So, 694 00:44:44,610 --> 00:44:47,400 you were telling about what, what what they like very much 695 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:48,270 What the? 696 00:44:48,900 --> 00:44:53,130 Yeah, and they were already concerned about privacy issues. 697 00:44:53,130 --> 00:44:55,860 Like for instance, at the beginning, we wanted to, to 698 00:44:55,860 --> 00:45:02,400 embed or already you know, the NPR Yeah, the preposition to. 699 00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:05,070 Yeah, the tracking, tracking. Yeah. 700 00:45:05,100 --> 00:45:14,490 Analytics. And they, they dug very deep into into that. And 701 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:20,610 they didn't ask us not to put that they gave us a solution so 702 00:45:20,610 --> 00:45:26,070 that it would be GDPR compliant. Legal solution. Yeah. technical 703 00:45:26,070 --> 00:45:30,180 solution so that we would be GDPR compliant? No, man, 704 00:45:30,180 --> 00:45:32,940 you're really on the inside you getting all the tricks and tips 705 00:45:32,940 --> 00:45:38,700 from the Yeah, and the gang. Nice. So have you Deaf to 706 00:45:38,700 --> 00:45:43,980 deliver regular reports? And is there a final, final phase to 707 00:45:43,980 --> 00:45:47,220 this where it's completed and the grant is fulfilled? Or when 708 00:45:47,220 --> 00:45:48,990 you hopefully go back to ask for more? 709 00:45:50,730 --> 00:45:56,820 So the way you get paid? That is the question is, you have to 710 00:45:56,820 --> 00:46:01,410 publish the code. So you just provide a get URL. And that's 711 00:46:01,410 --> 00:46:01,770 it. 712 00:46:02,519 --> 00:46:06,179 Oh, man, I was ready to come to come to Paris and present with 713 00:46:06,179 --> 00:46:09,689 you like, Hey, everybody, Bonjour. She will tell Adam 714 00:46:09,689 --> 00:46:12,749 leappad further, the pod pair, just so you know. 715 00:46:13,950 --> 00:46:16,650 I'm counting here. We got like 20 GitHub repos. I mean, we 716 00:46:16,650 --> 00:46:17,340 could really 717 00:46:20,670 --> 00:46:22,680 well, this is so it's real, that's really interesting is 718 00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:26,160 very forward looking at and congratulations on. on doing 719 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:30,630 that. I've done a couple of things with the with government. 720 00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:33,870 And I always found that quite kind of achy. After a while, I'd 721 00:46:33,870 --> 00:46:36,210 see what's going on over there. I'm like, God, man, I really 722 00:46:36,210 --> 00:46:38,700 don't want to have anything to do with this. But you seem to be 723 00:46:38,700 --> 00:46:40,290 navigating that very well. 724 00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:47,310 Well, the thing is it. This is my first time working with them. 725 00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:56,040 I heard some some guy, Ludovic dubis, who is working for x 726 00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,640 wiki. I don't know if you know that. His solution is named 727 00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:06,540 crypt pad. And it's end to end encryption. Notepad. Oh, cool. 728 00:47:06,930 --> 00:47:12,000 It's, it's really cool. And he had been working with an L net. 729 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:16,620 So we talked together. And he explained to me how it works. 730 00:47:16,950 --> 00:47:24,660 And and then everything went pretty straightforward. You, you 731 00:47:24,660 --> 00:47:30,480 just send the project you want to build, and then they come 732 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:38,430 back with 2000 questions, which are really, really relevant. 733 00:47:38,670 --> 00:47:42,930 Like they really try to understand how it's going to 734 00:47:42,930 --> 00:47:46,890 work. They're really good question like, question. You 735 00:47:46,890 --> 00:47:49,980 say, Oh, yeah, that that's a good question. I haven't thought 736 00:47:49,980 --> 00:47:50,460 of that. 737 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,600 That's different than it, isn't it? Oh, my God, the bureaucracy 738 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,290 here. Yeah, you send in something. And then you wait six 739 00:47:58,290 --> 00:48:02,670 months, and you get some form letters that don't actually say, 740 00:48:03,630 --> 00:48:11,730 not everything works that way. Sure. And, and then you agree to 741 00:48:13,110 --> 00:48:17,490 a moo, moo, memo or memorandum of understanding and 742 00:48:18,450 --> 00:48:20,910 love those in Europe, we're going to give not really going 743 00:48:20,910 --> 00:48:23,520 to give you a contract wouldn't give you like, like a pre 744 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:27,510 contract. It's kind of like third base, and third base? 745 00:48:30,060 --> 00:48:34,890 Well, I've got, I want to ask you about this. If we can veer 746 00:48:34,890 --> 00:48:37,140 off here for a second, I want to ask you about the podcast 747 00:48:37,140 --> 00:48:43,590 recommendation spec. Because I think the it's like once you 748 00:48:43,710 --> 00:48:49,440 read through it, and once I understood it, once I understood 749 00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,830 what you're trying to do, I can see its applicability 750 00:48:52,860 --> 00:48:57,150 everywhere. Like every time I hear something, I'm like, okay, 751 00:48:57,150 --> 00:48:59,940 that could be a podcast recommendation in point that can 752 00:48:59,940 --> 00:49:03,780 be one that could be one that could be one. So like, I want 753 00:49:03,780 --> 00:49:08,400 everybody, I'm just gonna give you my understanding of what 754 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:12,300 this is. And you can tell me where I'm wrong or how you a 755 00:49:12,300 --> 00:49:17,490 tweak this. So basically, what you're the goal here would be to 756 00:49:17,490 --> 00:49:22,680 take the power to take recommend recommendations or podcast 757 00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:27,090 discovery, and put it back into and put it into the hands of 758 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:34,380 podcasters or hosts themselves, rather than the somehow some 759 00:49:34,380 --> 00:49:39,180 other entity. So you're, like moving the control of 760 00:49:39,630 --> 00:49:45,450 recommending things and discovery of things into where 761 00:49:45,450 --> 00:49:49,950 the podcaster is really the primary focus. Is that fair? 762 00:49:50,580 --> 00:49:58,350 Yeah. This is one part of what we have in mind when we when we 763 00:49:58,350 --> 00:50:03,840 were sat down The thing is, right now when we talk about 764 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:09,150 recommendation, I don't know if you do, but I, that's the way I 765 00:50:09,180 --> 00:50:15,420 think of it, I think of Netflix or Amazon, when you buy books. 766 00:50:16,110 --> 00:50:22,440 Usually, what you see is people who saw that also like that, or 767 00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,590 people who read that book also liked that book. Yeah, I think 768 00:50:25,590 --> 00:50:31,260 it's kind of creepy. And most of time, it's not relevant. It's, 769 00:50:31,950 --> 00:50:37,050 you're creating bubbles. And it's, it's not very good 770 00:50:37,050 --> 00:50:41,130 recommendation. We've been working on recommendation 771 00:50:41,130 --> 00:50:48,720 systems for decades. So that's something we think is missing. 772 00:50:48,750 --> 00:50:54,420 And because podcasting is decentralized, by essence, it's, 773 00:50:54,690 --> 00:51:01,500 it can be even more complicated. So what we need is a way to 774 00:51:01,860 --> 00:51:06,900 create recommendation that are not based on the user profile, 775 00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:11,880 but on the content that you're listening to. The content should 776 00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:17,100 bring the recommendation, not the user. And this is something 777 00:51:17,100 --> 00:51:19,110 that we do every day. 778 00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,950 By telling people Hey, you should check this out. 779 00:51:23,490 --> 00:51:29,700 Yeah, you're currently reading this or listening to this. So 780 00:51:29,730 --> 00:51:35,760 this might be interesting also, but not because you, you went to 781 00:51:35,790 --> 00:51:40,710 this website, and but this and read that and watch that video 782 00:51:40,710 --> 00:51:41,400 on YouTube. Now, 783 00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:45,570 it would be the if there would be the equivalent of the author 784 00:51:45,570 --> 00:51:49,170 of the book you're reading to recommend other books? Exactly. 785 00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,860 Yes, that's what that's the way I thought of it too, because you 786 00:51:52,860 --> 00:51:56,340 have. So one of the things that I do as an MRI book is, is 787 00:51:56,340 --> 00:51:58,770 perfect example. One of the things I always do and I'm 788 00:51:58,770 --> 00:52:04,530 reading a book is, as the or an article is, as the author is, is 789 00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,430 quoting other people from other books, um, I'm always writing it 790 00:52:08,430 --> 00:52:12,330 down, so that I can go in either buy those other books, or for 791 00:52:12,390 --> 00:52:15,900 some health research them. I did that this just this past week, I 792 00:52:15,900 --> 00:52:19,500 was reading Glenn Greenwald article. And he mentioned some 793 00:52:19,500 --> 00:52:22,800 other book, but that he said, was really good. And I went on 794 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,130 Amazon, after I finished the article and bought the book. So 795 00:52:26,130 --> 00:52:30,390 like, in this regard, you could have a podcast, where they're 796 00:52:30,420 --> 00:52:34,080 talking about certain things, and they're recommending other 797 00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:38,550 things, other podcasts, but books, videos, all these kinds 798 00:52:38,550 --> 00:52:40,140 of it's almost like the show notes. I 799 00:52:40,140 --> 00:52:43,740 was gonna say recommendation, it ties into shownotes. It also 800 00:52:43,740 --> 00:52:47,190 ties into chapters, in a way. Yeah, 801 00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:47,460 it's 802 00:52:47,460 --> 00:52:48,840 part of the same thing. 803 00:52:49,499 --> 00:52:58,109 Yeah, I didn't try to hide that. It's inspired by what was 804 00:52:58,229 --> 00:53:03,119 already done. But one side effect for that would be like 805 00:53:03,569 --> 00:53:07,019 reading lists, or I don't know, a listening list. I know how 806 00:53:07,049 --> 00:53:12,569 we'd call them. The way recommendation works, and it 807 00:53:12,569 --> 00:53:18,029 does work right now is people who are manually doing reading 808 00:53:18,029 --> 00:53:23,879 lists, like this week in France, slate, slate friends, they 809 00:53:23,879 --> 00:53:30,509 started a podcast application with manual recommendation. And 810 00:53:30,509 --> 00:53:35,939 that works. But if you want that to work on any platform, you 811 00:53:35,939 --> 00:53:40,319 need to get it into the feed. Yeah, yeah. And so you need you 812 00:53:40,319 --> 00:53:43,529 need a new tag and a new tag dedicated to recommendation. 813 00:53:43,529 --> 00:53:44,129 Okay, hold 814 00:53:44,130 --> 00:53:53,370 on a second. When you say tag we say balls, your bench. namespace 815 00:53:53,370 --> 00:53:56,670 talk couldn't be any better than our Parisian friend. 816 00:53:57,810 --> 00:54:03,120 That Okay, so I want I want to try to get this into phase 817 00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,160 three. I really, I think, 818 00:54:05,610 --> 00:54:06,720 I think it's genius. 819 00:54:07,230 --> 00:54:11,400 Because I think that other so you could have in Tell me if 820 00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:15,270 I'm, if I'm offending you by this, but not just the 821 00:54:15,270 --> 00:54:20,070 podcasters. But you can also have the host, the hosting 822 00:54:20,070 --> 00:54:23,820 companies could also insert recommendation tags. 823 00:54:24,990 --> 00:54:28,800 I'll do I can see, I can see a million features. We know I 824 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:34,140 might want to have clips that I use on the show, you know, 825 00:54:34,170 --> 00:54:38,160 somehow point to the original, you know this and it could be 826 00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,700 automated even but it I think the point that Benjamin's making 827 00:54:41,700 --> 00:54:46,590 is the recommendation is fucking beaut. I think that's it. 828 00:54:47,130 --> 00:54:50,550 Instead of someone other people who read the book, get the 829 00:54:50,550 --> 00:54:53,010 recommendation from the guy who wrote the book. 830 00:54:53,460 --> 00:54:54,540 Yeah, that's, 831 00:54:54,690 --> 00:54:58,860 that's so powerful. And it really it really is just 832 00:54:58,860 --> 00:55:02,910 powerful. But really like that it's an it's such a small nuance 833 00:55:02,910 --> 00:55:03,810 and thinking Really? 834 00:55:04,380 --> 00:55:07,350 Yes, I'm looking through your, I'm looking through this, the 835 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:13,590 the examples. And the one this really cool is you can have as 836 00:55:13,590 --> 00:55:17,490 part of the recommendation you can have embed a sound bite into 837 00:55:17,490 --> 00:55:19,830 there so that you if you're recommending another podcast, 838 00:55:19,830 --> 00:55:23,040 you can actually have a sound bite of that other shit. Really? 839 00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,280 Yeah. Oh, wait, now could you make that bi directional, where 840 00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:30,420 if I shoot off a recommendation, can it pull back a current sound 841 00:55:30,420 --> 00:55:32,010 clip from that podcast? 842 00:55:33,090 --> 00:55:35,520 Yeah, this it's got the enclosed got a reference to the enclosure 843 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,920 and the starting in the duration. Right. 844 00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,160 But we're gonna saying is that it'd be cool if I could read the 845 00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,800 other feed that I'm pointing to and bring in their starting 846 00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:47,730 points. their their their sound clip? Their sound? Yeah, yeah. 847 00:55:47,730 --> 00:55:49,350 To me make it connected. 848 00:55:50,820 --> 00:55:53,430 That I don't know, we think we think big. I mean, that seems 849 00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:54,630 like an API job to me. 850 00:55:55,289 --> 00:55:55,829 Yeah. 851 00:55:58,770 --> 00:56:02,070 We have to think about that. I'm just dreaming, fellas. 852 00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:08,640 Yeah, this is this is such a beautiful because it you know, 853 00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,130 that's really we spent a lot of time over the last couple of 854 00:56:11,130 --> 00:56:15,450 weeks in Adam, you know, you rewrote your whole what is 855 00:56:15,450 --> 00:56:20,970 podcasting 2.0 thing and which is is good. Henson and back to 856 00:56:20,970 --> 00:56:26,100 you. But a marked it up I think is great. And that. I think that 857 00:56:26,370 --> 00:56:30,510 one thing I'm noticing in when I kind of realized that when I was 858 00:56:30,510 --> 00:56:33,450 reading through the podcast recommendation spec last week, 859 00:56:33,780 --> 00:56:38,520 was that that's another aspect of podcasting. 2.0 is taking 860 00:56:39,210 --> 00:56:45,750 control put moving the locus of control back into the, like, 861 00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:49,110 closer to the source. Yeah, exactly. podcaster. 862 00:56:49,170 --> 00:56:53,790 The podcaster makes the content the content beautifully flows 863 00:56:54,030 --> 00:57:00,240 from their fabulous tool that creates their podcast that man 864 00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:04,710 we've never, we have so much work to do on tools. And then it 865 00:57:04,710 --> 00:57:08,310 comes into the into the these these new apps that are just 866 00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:12,540 sitting there ports open going feed me some beautiful shit. 867 00:57:13,260 --> 00:57:16,770 Like just give it to me, and we don't need anybody else. 868 00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,540 How are you? How are you? how's this gonna bake into Casta pod? 869 00:57:21,540 --> 00:57:23,430 What's what is it gonna look like? 870 00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:32,730 Actually, I can see different ways exactly as, as we are 871 00:57:32,730 --> 00:57:38,010 working now for the transcripts or the chapters. Because the 872 00:57:38,010 --> 00:57:43,890 goal of cast upon is to, to make sure that the podcaster can do 873 00:57:43,890 --> 00:57:49,680 whatever he wants to. So there are basically two kinds of 874 00:57:50,370 --> 00:57:55,410 recommendation that we can think of think of. The first one is 875 00:57:55,440 --> 00:58:01,830 manual. So like, the podcaster wants to recommend a specific 876 00:58:01,830 --> 00:58:06,840 episode, maybe she's because he is talking about the subject 877 00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:11,670 that he already mentioned, like two years ago, and on. He 878 00:58:11,670 --> 00:58:17,700 remembers it, but no one else will. So he can manually select 879 00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:22,950 a soundbite from an old episode are an hour or something from 880 00:58:22,980 --> 00:58:27,930 another podcast. Or maybe he wants to share our audience with 881 00:58:27,930 --> 00:58:33,990 a friend. So instead of saying in the middle of something, hey, 882 00:58:34,230 --> 00:58:37,980 go listen to both of our podcast, he can add the link to 883 00:58:37,980 --> 00:58:42,480 the other podcasts. So that you don't have to look for it. And 884 00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,870 to say, Oh, where is that podcast I heard about you just 885 00:58:45,870 --> 00:58:50,910 click on it. Nice. So and that's, I think that's quite 886 00:58:50,910 --> 00:58:56,430 powerful. And that's just manual. Then, if you are I don't 887 00:58:56,430 --> 00:59:01,710 know you are doing a podcast on let's say black holes and you 888 00:59:01,710 --> 00:59:07,950 want to find any podcast talking about the same subject, you may 889 00:59:07,950 --> 00:59:12,270 be using an external service that will be indexing and 890 00:59:12,270 --> 00:59:18,270 looking for these for yourself. So you will embed a link which 891 00:59:18,270 --> 00:59:21,420 will dynamically create the recommendations. 892 00:59:23,910 --> 00:59:24,570 Nice. 893 00:59:25,860 --> 00:59:29,550 Defend you and you can do both. You can do both because you can 894 00:59:29,550 --> 00:59:33,000 have two links one which is manual and what which is 895 00:59:33,210 --> 00:59:33,960 dynamic. 896 00:59:34,950 --> 00:59:37,500 Yeah. Okay. So let's see here you can have at the channel or 897 00:59:37,500 --> 00:59:39,960 the item level, and it can be you can have more than one. You 898 00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,390 can have just as many batches of these as you want. 899 00:59:43,050 --> 00:59:50,070 And then if you you want to make a living out of your podcast by 900 00:59:50,220 --> 00:59:55,770 sharing urgence I don't know maybe some service will provide 901 00:59:55,770 --> 01:00:00,000 that. you subscribe to it and you said this is my passion. 902 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,140 with gas, and I want to share audience with someone else 903 01:00:04,740 --> 01:00:07,680 that I wanted to talk about this last week with Paul and Evan, 904 01:00:07,830 --> 01:00:11,760 because I'd read, I'd read your spec. And I, and I was thinking 905 01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:16,080 the whole time, I was like, Okay, I have tribes that listen 906 01:00:16,110 --> 01:00:21,510 that I'm that I'm a part of on Sphinx chat. And there are other 907 01:00:21,510 --> 01:00:25,560 related tribes there. That would just be a natural, it would be 908 01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:31,170 such a natural fit for somebody like seeks to have an endpoint 909 01:00:31,170 --> 01:00:35,250 for recommendations. So a tribe, you know, they can just like 910 01:00:35,250 --> 01:00:38,370 they're not even hosting podcast or anything like that. But 911 01:00:38,370 --> 01:00:42,120 instead, you could go out there and just pull a recommend like, 912 01:00:42,690 --> 01:00:46,860 just pull a recommendation XML from the negative have an 913 01:00:46,860 --> 01:00:50,700 endpoint that just serves you the recommendation XML for a 914 01:00:50,700 --> 01:00:51,570 certain tribe. 915 01:00:51,630 --> 01:00:55,170 And this is where we're coming up against some interesting 916 01:00:55,380 --> 01:01:01,980 flows. Now, Dave, you and I have both seen the the forthcoming 917 01:01:01,980 --> 01:01:06,060 breeze app, which is pretty much dedicated to, you know, the big 918 01:01:06,060 --> 01:01:10,230 podcast button, and there's podcast player in there. And 919 01:01:10,950 --> 01:01:13,980 which, by the way, I was delighted to find out that was 920 01:01:14,130 --> 01:01:16,470 the code from the anytime player, which has been 921 01:01:16,500 --> 01:01:21,840 podcasting 2.0. Member for, I was like, wow, that's that's 922 01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:26,700 your code idea. But the features, so you know, they're 923 01:01:26,700 --> 01:01:30,990 very focused on making. And it's obvious that that's what they're 924 01:01:30,990 --> 01:01:33,420 working on. So with swings is just getting, I mean, they're 925 01:01:33,420 --> 01:01:37,590 still just getting the plumbing working. So for them to start 926 01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,790 putting resources towards stuff, it's just going to take them a 927 01:01:41,790 --> 01:01:45,300 while. And it's kind of the inverse of what we have with 928 01:01:46,230 --> 01:01:50,010 overall take hypercare or pod friend, I know they're working 929 01:01:50,010 --> 01:01:54,990 on it is, you know, all the features implemented, everything 930 01:01:54,990 --> 01:01:58,260 is is slick, and they're improving the user experience. 931 01:01:58,590 --> 01:02:03,240 But yeah, they don't have the Lightning Experience. So I'm 932 01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:05,670 hoping that somehow these worlds are going to come closer and 933 01:02:05,670 --> 01:02:08,430 closer together. I know that Brees is going to put all their 934 01:02:08,430 --> 01:02:12,060 code out there for everyone to strap on. Just strap on strap on 935 01:02:12,270 --> 01:02:15,810 developers strap on Hey, strap on Willie, 936 01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:22,050 that there may be a solution to that. Because it's not the first 937 01:02:22,050 --> 01:02:29,400 time you're mentioning it. First, I must confess that I 938 01:02:29,670 --> 01:02:36,780 have no clue how, how this works at the lightning stuff. I'm 939 01:02:36,780 --> 01:02:40,680 currently installing it in the on my Raspberry Pi. But that's 940 01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:41,760 how far I got. 941 01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,420 You're doing the dirty work. Oh, yeah. 942 01:02:45,990 --> 01:02:47,880 Yeah, I feel dirty. That's 943 01:02:49,110 --> 01:02:50,730 get get a big hard drive. 944 01:02:52,260 --> 01:02:58,950 But eventually, I'm pretty sure that I won't make it. So what 945 01:02:58,950 --> 01:03:06,150 that thing would work. What we need for this to work is to to 946 01:03:06,150 --> 01:03:10,410 have different teams working on different stuff that are really, 947 01:03:10,410 --> 01:03:14,610 really far away from each other, the lightning part and the 948 01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:16,110 podcast part. 949 01:03:16,829 --> 01:03:19,349 That's current situation is that? 950 01:03:19,709 --> 01:03:25,979 Yeah. I don't know if that's good news. You You tell me. So 951 01:03:26,579 --> 01:03:32,309 three months ago, we went back to an air net. And we suggested 952 01:03:32,459 --> 01:03:38,969 that we propose to to build a podcast application, open source 953 01:03:38,999 --> 01:03:47,639 GPL, v3 for iOS and Android. And that would aggregate the podcast 954 01:03:47,909 --> 01:03:50,279 app and the fediverse. Bar. 955 01:03:50,580 --> 01:03:52,380 Oh, nice. 956 01:03:53,730 --> 01:03:59,550 That's, that's would be open source. So if someone wants to, 957 01:04:00,510 --> 01:04:04,200 to integrate, and to add the lightning part on that, that 958 01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:05,730 would be ways to do it. Right? 959 01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:06,690 Yeah. Yeah. 960 01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:10,650 So you're talking about just you would be making just sort of a 961 01:04:10,650 --> 01:04:14,220 skeleton app that brings these pieces together. It would be 962 01:04:14,220 --> 01:04:17,190 open source so that somebody else could pick it up and and 963 01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:18,840 begin to build out something? 964 01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:22,770 No, no, no, no, it's not a skeleton. It's it's a full 965 01:04:22,770 --> 01:04:29,160 fledged app, which we're gonna call probably cast about up. 966 01:04:29,460 --> 01:04:33,150 You can compile it and put in the App Store basically. Right. 967 01:04:33,540 --> 01:04:39,300 Yeah. So so it's going to be fruiter. Yeah, so it works on 968 01:04:39,300 --> 01:04:47,190 both iOS and Android. Google Play Apple, Apple Store and F 969 01:04:47,190 --> 01:04:54,720 droid and source code. Now, if so if you want to add features, 970 01:04:54,990 --> 01:04:55,830 be my guess. 971 01:04:56,940 --> 01:05:02,130 That that's cool as well. Cool. If Do you have any with 972 01:05:02,130 --> 01:05:10,110 recommendations? I think you can. I was thinking, that 973 01:05:10,110 --> 01:05:15,030 podcast guru and pod verse. This seems like, right in their 974 01:05:15,030 --> 01:05:20,340 wheelhouse to me. Oh, because totally. I mean, that's, I don't 975 01:05:20,340 --> 01:05:23,040 know, there's something that the it just feels right for that 976 01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:29,100 sort of, because you have things like hyper catcher that, you 977 01:05:29,100 --> 01:05:31,770 know, hit everybody. It's like, it's sort of what you're talking 978 01:05:31,770 --> 01:05:34,350 about being a, I guess I'm just thinking about this for the 979 01:05:34,350 --> 01:05:38,040 first time. So I'm a little stuttery on it. But it seems 980 01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:43,770 like everybody has their thing that their focus, yeah, if each, 981 01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:47,550 each application has a personality of its own, where 982 01:05:47,550 --> 01:05:50,850 you can tell what the difference is, you can tell by looking at 983 01:05:50,850 --> 01:05:55,560 it, what the developers first love was. And that remains, you 984 01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:58,560 know, obviously, with pod versus clips, you know, with pod 985 01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:02,760 friend, its ease of use and feature completeness, with hyper 986 01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:06,750 catcher is is chat chapters and rethinking the UI, and having a 987 01:06:06,750 --> 01:06:10,290 new new experience. And you can go on and on. And so like every, 988 01:06:10,470 --> 01:06:13,860 every app has its own personality. Same with cast, 989 01:06:13,860 --> 01:06:18,780 apod, and, and powerpress, and all these kind of things. So 990 01:06:18,990 --> 01:06:24,780 it's like, they can all have pieces of the ecosystem 991 01:06:25,050 --> 01:06:27,990 together. And so then you bring in, like what you're talking 992 01:06:27,990 --> 01:06:31,410 about with a with an open source app, and everybody can 993 01:06:31,410 --> 01:06:34,020 contribute, and you get something greater than, than the 994 01:06:34,020 --> 01:06:38,610 hole. And you can have a people can contribute code. I mean, 995 01:06:38,610 --> 01:06:40,890 that's what people have been doing with podcasting. With 996 01:06:40,890 --> 01:06:44,850 podcast index. I mean, I don't, you know, I don't understand how 997 01:06:44,910 --> 01:06:50,580 I didn't write, you know, what, 1% of what's on the website. 998 01:06:51,060 --> 01:06:53,820 Now, that was all that's all been being done by other people. 999 01:06:54,090 --> 01:06:58,050 And I'm glad that that did that. Didn't went that way, because it 1000 01:06:58,050 --> 01:07:01,980 wouldn't be as good if I'd done it all myself. It everybody else 1001 01:07:01,980 --> 01:07:05,400 has things they're good at. And I think it makes a stronger 1002 01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:08,610 product. If it's open, and everybody can contribute, 1003 01:07:08,670 --> 01:07:12,390 because everybody else brings their own flair to the table. 1004 01:07:12,420 --> 01:07:16,500 Well, so that would be you know, we're gonna pressure the breeze 1005 01:07:16,500 --> 01:07:21,600 guys to do that. Hey, breeze, guys. Racing breeze guys, go 1006 01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:24,450 over there and help us project out. So everybody can bake one 1007 01:07:24,450 --> 01:07:27,690 of these, they win no matter what the they got the back end. 1008 01:07:27,690 --> 01:07:31,170 So they're very happy. They want more, they want more people to 1009 01:07:31,170 --> 01:07:32,040 use their code. 1010 01:07:34,110 --> 01:07:40,680 Yeah, about the Cassiopeia app. We, I wouldn't call it a 1011 01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:45,510 skeleton. But definitely it's, it's a toolbox of framework so 1012 01:07:45,510 --> 01:07:52,770 that you can use it and reuse it. And for instance, because we 1013 01:07:52,770 --> 01:07:59,190 worked with nl net, there, we're very picky again. And I had very 1014 01:07:59,910 --> 01:08:03,330 specific questions and one of them that they were really 1015 01:08:03,330 --> 01:08:08,160 concerned about privacy. And when one thing, one thing that 1016 01:08:08,430 --> 01:08:15,000 they really care about is how secure are your data as a user, 1017 01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:18,510 and if you are listening to a podcast, who knows that you're 1018 01:08:18,510 --> 01:08:22,470 listening to it? And even before that, when you were looking for 1019 01:08:22,470 --> 01:08:27,060 REITs? Who knows what you're looking for? And they asked us 1020 01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:33,120 if it was possible to embed within the app, the index. So 1021 01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:37,650 that's when you are looking for a podcast? No one knows because 1022 01:08:37,650 --> 01:08:42,420 it's looking within a local index. So we said, Yeah, 1023 01:08:42,420 --> 01:08:47,760 probably we can download the podcast index index, or a part 1024 01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:53,490 of it, let's say on the French podcast or true crime podcast. 1025 01:08:53,700 --> 01:08:58,080 And then you can make an app that's specific for a specific 1026 01:08:58,710 --> 01:09:06,900 audience, either for a target language country, or for kids. 1027 01:09:07,140 --> 01:09:15,450 And and you have a system, that whole ecosystem that lives by 1028 01:09:15,450 --> 01:09:15,900 itself, 1029 01:09:15,930 --> 01:09:20,220 how about this bent? How about, you got that over there with the 1030 01:09:20,220 --> 01:09:25,080 Castor pod app. And then we have the index over here, we create 1031 01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:30,450 the the initial flow, and we get it to you through the blockchain 1032 01:09:32,070 --> 01:09:36,690 to get you started. And then and then you can just you could 1033 01:09:36,690 --> 01:09:40,590 literally, you know, use the blockchain only pick up the most 1034 01:09:40,590 --> 01:09:43,920 recent blocks for the updates. I mean, I can totally see how that 1035 01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:45,060 would work. Yeah, 1036 01:09:45,090 --> 01:09:50,400 well, I think it could work even over IP Fs two, because we Yeah, 1037 01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:56,460 like First, the first stage of delivering the database as a as 1038 01:09:56,460 --> 01:10:02,160 a massive dump is to do it as well. One big dump. And then, 1039 01:10:02,430 --> 01:10:06,360 but but the short, you know shortly in here in the future, 1040 01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:09,780 I'm going to split it up into smaller pieces. And there will 1041 01:10:09,780 --> 01:10:13,350 all be hashed. And so like, well, this this thing is going 1042 01:10:13,350 --> 01:10:17,100 to change and evolve. So that only the parts, you know, 1043 01:10:17,130 --> 01:10:19,950 there's let me you'll be able to easily just download piece the 1044 01:10:19,950 --> 01:10:24,390 pieces that you need to think in that Because ultimately, what 1045 01:10:24,390 --> 01:10:28,200 the, what the dumps are for is to create is to eventually 1046 01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:31,920 create distributed aggregators. So we need to split it in small 1047 01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,950 chunks, whether those are 1000 feeds per chunk or 10,000. Feeds 1048 01:10:34,950 --> 01:10:38,070 I don't know. But if we had that, you could download the 1049 01:10:38,070 --> 01:10:42,090 entire the entire thing as a sequel lite three database into 1050 01:10:42,090 --> 01:10:46,050 the app, initially, and then you could go and pick up the chunks 1051 01:10:46,050 --> 01:10:49,260 that changed in that could be delivered the lightened Adam 1052 01:10:49,260 --> 01:10:53,340 standard blockchain or over ipfs, or whatever they did, 1053 01:10:53,460 --> 01:10:57,030 dumps. They call them dumps big massive dumps. 1054 01:11:00,330 --> 01:11:04,200 Yeah, but even now with the dump, it works. Yeah, there's a 1055 01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:08,040 manual operation that you have to do you have to download the 1056 01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:12,480 dump. And then probably you have to query all the RSS feeds to 1057 01:11:12,480 --> 01:11:17,100 get some information. But that works. Like today. 1058 01:11:17,580 --> 01:11:24,210 Yeah. Well, that they hope that I hope that we can this the way 1059 01:11:24,210 --> 01:11:29,520 I see this going. It's like we're decentralizing stuff. But 1060 01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:35,910 we need to we need to do it in a way that it can't go. I don't 1061 01:11:35,910 --> 01:11:38,550 know what I'm trying to say here. What? What I'm, I think 1062 01:11:38,550 --> 01:11:44,760 what I'm hesitant about is going too fast. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And 1063 01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:49,590 that sounds weird. But like, when you it has to evolve in in 1064 01:11:49,590 --> 01:11:53,550 pieces, because you don't if you nobody's going to jump on board 1065 01:11:53,550 --> 01:11:57,840 with everybody, let's move podcasting to the blockchain. So 1066 01:11:59,910 --> 01:12:03,780 maybe, maybe that's where, ultimately we want to end up. 1067 01:12:03,780 --> 01:12:05,850 That's why this is an interesting bridge towards 1068 01:12:05,850 --> 01:12:10,710 putting those pieces that are necessary, onto the device or 1069 01:12:10,710 --> 01:12:14,820 the play the app itself, and then provide updates, but then, 1070 01:12:14,850 --> 01:12:19,470 you know, this is where I mean, I'm just going to be a broken 1071 01:12:19,470 --> 01:12:22,380 record about lightning. Because then you could, you know, it's 1072 01:12:22,380 --> 01:12:27,120 fair, you pay to get it in, you know, there's Yeah, there's, 1073 01:12:27,180 --> 01:12:30,270 there's all this all these these different parameters that become 1074 01:12:30,480 --> 01:12:34,320 a lot better than it's free, who gives a fuck? You know, the 1075 01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:36,570 minute you even if it's one Satoshi you're, you're more 1076 01:12:36,570 --> 01:12:42,480 careful. And, and then from there, once you're moving, the 1077 01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:46,350 elements of feeds around, or pointers to feeds or whatever it 1078 01:12:46,350 --> 01:12:50,100 is, and then all of a sudden, you know, you can do all kinds 1079 01:12:50,100 --> 01:12:53,610 of stuff. You know, me and my community connected all I can't 1080 01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:56,700 stay away from the bubble chart. It's, it's it's mind boggling. 1081 01:12:57,150 --> 01:12:57,240 And 1082 01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:59,790 we're hoping that the dump is see. 1083 01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:07,020 Hey, Ben, question for you. So I had my, my co founder and 1084 01:13:07,020 --> 01:13:11,130 partner, Dave Jones. He was a big man on campus like, Oh, 1085 01:13:11,130 --> 01:13:15,270 yeah, I'll install that caster pod for you. And I'm pretty sure 1086 01:13:15,270 --> 01:13:18,030 we got busy and other more important matters. I looked at 1087 01:13:18,030 --> 01:13:21,810 it now I've since I last looked at it, I've become a little more 1088 01:13:21,810 --> 01:13:26,280 familiar with cPanel. Should I attempt because I have kind of a 1089 01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:29,940 specific setup because I have existing hosting and I'm what 1090 01:13:29,940 --> 01:13:33,450 I'm most worried about, is transitioning to a new system. 1091 01:13:33,450 --> 01:13:38,070 And I really, really, really, I can't say it enough. Really like 1092 01:13:38,070 --> 01:13:41,040 what Casta pod has to offer because I want to be leading 1093 01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:44,010 with all the tags and I want the coolest shit and you seem to be 1094 01:13:44,010 --> 01:13:47,310 doing it in Casta pod because you really have no there's 1095 01:13:47,310 --> 01:13:50,490 nothing holding you back and I saw even now you can do freeform 1096 01:13:50,910 --> 01:13:54,570 tags if you don't have an interface for it. I really want 1097 01:13:54,570 --> 01:13:59,100 it but when I fuck something up on my feed, then it's like hell 1098 01:13:59,100 --> 01:14:04,650 breaks loose for weeks. Yeah, messes up everybody's player and 1099 01:14:04,650 --> 01:14:11,610 my emails filled and I feel like a heel. So what do you recommend 1100 01:14:11,610 --> 01:14:11,910 here? 1101 01:14:12,660 --> 01:14:19,440 I definitely not using cPanel. Okay. Because Castor pod was 1102 01:14:19,440 --> 01:14:24,720 designed to be easy to install and cheap to host and modern and 1103 01:14:25,830 --> 01:14:27,090 why am I failing, then? 1104 01:14:28,140 --> 01:14:32,280 You're not failing? We probably did. And probably because we are 1105 01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:37,560 still in alpha versions. So. Okay, the paint is not dry yet. 1106 01:14:38,070 --> 01:14:43,080 But what I'd like to do at your discretion. I don't mind. I 1107 01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:47,580 don't mind. I don't mind messing stuff up and fooling around and 1108 01:14:47,580 --> 01:14:50,490 trying to do stuff. You know, maybe not necessarily 1109 01:14:50,490 --> 01:14:54,330 immediately on the no agenda feed but podcasting 2.0 is is a 1110 01:14:54,330 --> 01:14:59,460 great playground for it. I can be your best tester. I really I 1111 01:14:59,460 --> 01:15:03,000 promise. You I will, I will help you make that product better. I 1112 01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:07,110 just need to help. I mean, since six months, and you know, Martin 1113 01:15:07,110 --> 01:15:11,310 made the RSS generator and it got me almost to where I needed 1114 01:15:11,310 --> 01:15:13,500 to be, but you know, we couldn't have him maintaining. And he's 1115 01:15:13,500 --> 01:15:18,360 he's working on his own project. So I need, I just need this one 1116 01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:21,690 thing, and then I'll put you in my value block for every feed 1117 01:15:22,050 --> 01:15:26,310 that I that I create, I will send you 5% of my of my cut. 1118 01:15:27,150 --> 01:15:27,960 When 1119 01:15:29,070 --> 01:15:34,860 we can host you for sure. That's because I know exactly how it 1120 01:15:34,860 --> 01:15:40,110 works. It takes me like, three minutes, really three minutes to 1121 01:15:40,110 --> 01:15:45,600 set up a cast about the new part. new podcast. I installed 1122 01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:52,170 one for Anita posh. Right? Yeah. So that so that she can test and 1123 01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:59,340 she had some feedback. We like the widget thing we implemented 1124 01:15:59,340 --> 01:16:02,640 like, two three weeks ago. She asked for it. 1125 01:16:03,629 --> 01:16:05,099 In the sharing widget player. 1126 01:16:05,190 --> 01:16:11,610 Yeah. This, this is something that we it was in our roadmap, 1127 01:16:11,610 --> 01:16:20,610 but like, push. Yeah. So we moved it. To that, because she 1128 01:16:20,610 --> 01:16:27,210 needed it. So what so what I have, but the thing is, we I 1129 01:16:27,210 --> 01:16:33,270 haven't installed one for you yet. Because I'm intimidated. 1130 01:16:33,570 --> 01:16:40,350 First. Okay. And we're still in alpha version, meaning some 1131 01:16:40,350 --> 01:16:47,910 stuff break and change. And I'm not confident to to host 1132 01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:55,200 something that podcasts that you will talk on, because probably 1133 01:16:55,230 --> 01:16:59,550 there will be a huge bandwidth consumption 1134 01:17:01,830 --> 01:17:03,180 for podcasting 2.0 1135 01:17:03,210 --> 01:17:06,690 Well, no, I mean, what what I see that's the thing is, 1136 01:17:06,990 --> 01:17:10,110 I have any downloads you get on this podcast. Oh, no. 1137 01:17:10,110 --> 01:17:12,840 And on this podcast, I don't know. Yeah, we have no idea. But 1138 01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:19,080 I have a specific situation where I have basically a bucket 1139 01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:22,590 and I throw everything into that buckets, the mp3 files, my feeds 1140 01:17:22,590 --> 01:17:28,650 my chapters. Oh, my transcripts, I mean, chapters come from a 1141 01:17:28,650 --> 01:17:32,940 different bucket. So I just need to be able to write to that 1142 01:17:32,940 --> 01:17:36,450 bucket with a feed that we initially have imported from the 1143 01:17:36,450 --> 01:17:39,690 old feed. And and then and then I'm good to go. You do not want 1144 01:17:39,690 --> 01:17:44,490 to be hosting my RSS or my mp3 and that that will crush you. 1145 01:17:48,060 --> 01:17:49,050 Yeah, understand? 1146 01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:53,370 Yes. That's what I'm saying. Is there a way that I mean, when 1147 01:17:53,370 --> 01:17:56,490 you're ready, when you feel when you feel is ready, I completely 1148 01:17:56,490 --> 01:17:58,800 respect that. It's alpha, and you don't want to 1149 01:17:58,860 --> 01:18:03,450 we need to be ready. Like when we actually as soon as 1150 01:18:03,480 --> 01:18:05,580 activitypub is up and running. 1151 01:18:06,300 --> 01:18:09,360 Yeah, cuz I want to tie this straight into the mastodon Oh, 1152 01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:09,810 here we 1153 01:18:10,110 --> 01:18:17,340 go. And, and we're, I'm still working with hyper capture, 1154 01:18:18,540 --> 01:18:27,270 David? Because, yeah, because I think that would make much sense 1155 01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:35,310 that you can create the podcast episode. And then hyper Castro 1156 01:18:35,310 --> 01:18:38,940 would deal with everything that you don't have anything to do. 1157 01:18:39,270 --> 01:18:42,960 So that's the chapter. The AI 1158 01:18:42,990 --> 01:18:44,760 the AI stuff. He has mean. Yeah. 1159 01:18:45,150 --> 01:18:48,060 So that it's automatic. Yeah, that's cool. Everything is 1160 01:18:48,060 --> 01:18:51,570 underneath. Just API calls. You don't have to deal with it 1161 01:18:51,570 --> 01:18:57,330 anymore. And that's very small, smaller feature to develop. 1162 01:18:57,420 --> 01:18:59,610 I like it. I like it a lot. 1163 01:19:00,270 --> 01:19:04,320 Yeah, the, you know, cast upon, I think it makes perfect sense 1164 01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:07,530 for a podcast, even if it's not ready. It makes perfect sense 1165 01:19:07,530 --> 01:19:11,220 for the podcasting. 2.0. Feed me because I mean, desktops. I 1166 01:19:11,220 --> 01:19:13,620 mean, we're gonna break stuff anyway. So yeah, 1167 01:19:13,980 --> 01:19:18,420 well, even that i want i want i want to know how many downloads 1168 01:19:18,450 --> 01:19:22,920 per week you're doing. But it will tell me this much. I get 1169 01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:26,340 afraid. And if it's not enough, then I'm going to bed right now. 1170 01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:31,920 Yes. Wow. Okay. You know, you know, America and France does 1171 01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:35,130 have a special relationship. You realize that right? Yeah. Very 1172 01:19:35,130 --> 01:19:38,670 unique relationship. You guys invented our political system. 1173 01:19:38,670 --> 01:19:41,580 So we give you full credit for that. We just have to learn how 1174 01:19:41,580 --> 01:19:44,430 to chop off their heads that we get. We didn't learn that from 1175 01:19:44,430 --> 01:19:44,670 you. 1176 01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:51,090 I'm not kidding. Yeah, but you forgot. You forgot yesterday. 1177 01:19:51,090 --> 01:19:53,190 Yeah, we don't do that anymore. No, 1178 01:19:53,310 --> 01:19:56,370 you guys. You guys were innovators. innovators in the 1179 01:19:56,370 --> 01:20:03,570 space of chopping heads. I think I think your, your smart guy, 1180 01:20:03,570 --> 01:20:07,500 Ben, I really love the thinking that you put into all of this. I 1181 01:20:07,500 --> 01:20:12,480 am, you know, and I, I, it's, I'm in a weird situation, you 1182 01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:14,670 know, we have all these great partners working on it with 1183 01:20:14,670 --> 01:20:18,120 hosting companies. And I'm like, why don't we all work together 1184 01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:22,080 on an IP Fs solution, you know, so it's only going to save them 1185 01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:25,470 money gives everyone a little more level playing field, and 1186 01:20:25,470 --> 01:20:27,990 you can make money on your actual features instead of 1187 01:20:28,170 --> 01:20:31,920 bullshit bandwidth, you know, and managing your curve and oh, 1188 01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:35,100 my God, we what business is unhappy that you get a 1189 01:20:35,100 --> 01:20:40,350 successful podcast? You know, and a lot of them are like, Oh, 1190 01:20:40,350 --> 01:20:42,780 shit, we got a really big one. Well, how we're going to offset 1191 01:20:42,780 --> 01:20:45,480 that. So if we could, if we could figure that, then it's 1192 01:20:45,480 --> 01:20:49,170 been figured out, if we could motivate and agree on some 1193 01:20:49,170 --> 01:20:54,300 things, I mean, which I see cast upon as being a driver of you 1194 01:20:54,300 --> 01:20:55,500 guys are perfect for that. 1195 01:20:58,050 --> 01:20:58,590 Thank you. 1196 01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:01,800 So what are you gonna? What are you gonna do it? 1197 01:21:04,140 --> 01:21:11,940 one thing at a time. We're still a small team or four of us 1198 01:21:11,940 --> 01:21:18,030 working in our company now. So we are Yeah, we started the 1199 01:21:18,030 --> 01:21:22,980 company. We're still working with investors. So 1200 01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:26,670 are you are you looking for investors? 1201 01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:28,470 Yeah, sure. We are. 1202 01:21:29,730 --> 01:21:33,570 Well, we, we contacted some and we still looking for new ones. 1203 01:21:34,650 --> 01:21:35,220 You know, 1204 01:21:37,620 --> 01:21:41,580 there's a lot of guys out there who have a lot of money that 1205 01:21:41,580 --> 01:21:45,300 they're looking to invest very good terms, as long as they can 1206 01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:50,520 put it into some Bitcoin related project. And you know, and this 1207 01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:54,330 is not banks, you know, it's very, you get into very simple 1208 01:21:54,330 --> 01:21:58,170 agreements with them. It's, it's quite I helped out another 1209 01:21:58,170 --> 01:22:00,840 company just by talking to an investor and the guide made some 1210 01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:03,900 money in real estate and put in a Bitcoin and he wants to invest 1211 01:22:03,900 --> 01:22:07,860 in some Bitcoin I specifically lightning related businesses. So 1212 01:22:07,860 --> 01:22:09,690 if you ever want to go that route, I mean, that can 1213 01:22:09,690 --> 01:22:13,590 certainly hit me up if you need anything happy to help. 1214 01:22:14,700 --> 01:22:18,000 Yeah, we're not much in the Bitcoin industry right now. 1215 01:22:18,090 --> 01:22:21,240 Right. But the lightning thing is something that could be in 1216 01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:22,260 your future. I'm just 1217 01:22:23,250 --> 01:22:27,150 yeah, I understand. I understand. So I work harder on 1218 01:22:27,150 --> 01:22:28,170 my Raspberry Pi. 1219 01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:34,770 I would suggest, you know, recipe Blitz. 1220 01:22:37,110 --> 01:22:41,520 Yeah, I saw that. But the thing is, I cannot find my Raspberry 1221 01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:43,170 Pi screen anymore. Yeah. 1222 01:22:45,810 --> 01:22:47,100 It's like I got 1223 01:22:47,100 --> 01:22:49,200 this new Raspberry Pi and like, Oh shit. I don't have a 1224 01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:53,010 keyboard. I can't fit a monitor into a USB. See what the hell 1225 01:22:53,010 --> 01:22:54,030 yeah, it's tough. 1226 01:22:55,110 --> 01:22:55,410 But 1227 01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:59,190 there's a retina that and what's the other one? Dave? The 1228 01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:01,110 the umbral 1229 01:23:01,170 --> 01:23:05,130 Umbro? Yeah, that seems to be a pretty cool install seems to be 1230 01:23:05,130 --> 01:23:07,050 a little simpler than raspy Blitz. 1231 01:23:07,110 --> 01:23:08,340 Yeah, that's my plan B. 1232 01:23:08,730 --> 01:23:11,190 Okay, yeah, I hear that's a really good one. Can you have a 1233 01:23:11,190 --> 01:23:14,580 few minutes? Benjamin just stick with us while we thank some 1234 01:23:14,580 --> 01:23:17,100 people for the value that they returned to us and then we can 1235 01:23:17,100 --> 01:23:21,420 wrap up after that. I have all night long. Whenever when a 1236 01:23:21,420 --> 01:23:24,390 Frenchman says that to you, you know, you're good to go. Ladies 1237 01:23:24,390 --> 01:23:29,280 and gentlemen. This is a value for value project, podcast 1238 01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:35,010 index, this show podcasting 2.0 it's all put together to create 1239 01:23:35,010 --> 01:23:39,240 as much value as possible. No advertising, corporate money, no 1240 01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:43,440 creepy investors of any kind. It's just the people producing 1241 01:23:43,440 --> 01:23:48,360 the whole project together. And all we ask is that you provide 1242 01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:51,450 us with whatever value is appropriate back to us time, 1243 01:23:51,480 --> 01:23:56,670 talent, treasure, and if you're sending us treasure and whatever 1244 01:23:56,670 --> 01:23:59,130 it is just make it a meaningful amount to you, whatever your 1245 01:23:59,130 --> 01:24:02,580 contribution making meaningful to you. And that's that has been 1246 01:24:02,580 --> 01:24:05,940 working very well for us. I think we're not six months. Six 1247 01:24:05,940 --> 01:24:10,380 months and we're we're we're moving fast. We are pushing 1248 01:24:10,650 --> 01:24:14,970 pushing it I didn't I didn't expect to be this far six months 1249 01:24:14,970 --> 01:24:16,980 into it. That was not my expectation. 1250 01:24:17,220 --> 01:24:21,690 Now we get we get now we'll talk about that in a minute. 1251 01:24:21,930 --> 01:24:22,440 Listening So 1252 01:24:24,660 --> 01:24:32,280 right off the bat then and Alberto are soco $100. 1253 01:24:32,310 --> 01:24:32,940 Watch 1254 01:24:34,590 --> 01:24:36,240 those guys. Thank you so much. 1255 01:24:37,710 --> 01:24:41,100 Hi, Adam and Dave are running out of things to say here. Good 1256 01:24:41,100 --> 01:24:44,520 thing. The donation speaks for itself. Yes, it does, guys. We 1257 01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:48,690 value what you do, why you do it and how you fostered a community 1258 01:24:48,690 --> 01:24:51,450 of great minds and talent. No sad puppy today. 1259 01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:54,210 No sad happy puppy. 1260 01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:57,420 Yes. Thanks. grss calm. 1261 01:24:57,930 --> 01:24:59,460 Fantastic. Thank you so much. 1262 01:24:59,700 --> 01:25:05,460 Yeah. I always appreciate it. Thank you guys. And Scott 1263 01:25:05,460 --> 01:25:06,900 Napier. No, 1264 01:25:06,930 --> 01:25:08,340 I recognize that name 1265 01:25:08,639 --> 01:25:12,239 D is that a node in the government? I think so. Okay. He 1266 01:25:12,239 --> 01:25:16,829 gave $100. Wow. Yeah. And he said that simple note, he just 1267 01:25:16,829 --> 01:25:19,049 said, Keep it going, Adam and crew. Nice work. 1268 01:25:19,289 --> 01:25:21,029 Thank you so much, Scott. Yeah, 1269 01:25:21,990 --> 01:25:24,030 we can keep it going. Because of 1270 01:25:24,030 --> 01:25:26,400 that. Exactly. Exactly. Because of that. 1271 01:25:27,299 --> 01:25:34,499 So the database problem. Now, I woke up, this just reminded his 1272 01:25:34,499 --> 01:25:35,309 note reminded me of that 1273 01:25:35,789 --> 01:25:36,959 beginning of the week, you mean? 1274 01:25:37,740 --> 01:25:43,320 Yeah. What is this, like, last Saturday? Something like that? 1275 01:25:43,350 --> 01:25:49,140 No, no, what I remember is last Friday, I woke up. And I have 1276 01:25:49,140 --> 01:25:54,060 all these emails. Because I have a have a cron job that runs 1277 01:25:54,060 --> 01:25:56,670 every five minutes on all the servers that checks for disk 1278 01:25:56,670 --> 01:26:01,350 space. And if this space drops below a certain percentage, I 1279 01:26:01,350 --> 01:26:04,380 get an email about it. Well, I start getting all these emails 1280 01:26:04,380 --> 01:26:08,520 from the database server. Yeah, saying you got to catch 1281 01:26:08,550 --> 01:26:10,650 quick before it runs out. And you can't 1282 01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:15,510 save it. It was like, but what was weird is it was like, the 1283 01:26:15,510 --> 01:26:18,630 database, he would get an email. And then five minutes later, I 1284 01:26:18,630 --> 01:26:22,800 get another email saying it's 85% full, and I get a next one, 1285 01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:27,480 the set is 95. Oh, no. way. And then it would go into the next 1286 01:26:27,480 --> 01:26:32,490 one, five minutes after that was like 70%. It kept paying. So you 1287 01:26:32,490 --> 01:26:37,170 know, I run over there and pull it up. And there was a runaway 1288 01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:42,540 select, that I had been messing around with. And I thought I had 1289 01:26:42,540 --> 01:26:45,150 killed it. but evidently I didn't. What were you trying to 1290 01:26:45,150 --> 01:26:49,230 select? Well, it was I was working on the getting the most 1291 01:26:49,230 --> 01:26:54,060 recent enclosure thing. And that's a complicated query, with 1292 01:26:54,060 --> 01:26:56,670 some sub selects in there. And if you get that wrong, you can 1293 01:26:56,700 --> 01:26:59,310 easily end up building, if you get that wrong read 1294 01:26:59,340 --> 01:27:01,320 the database is rebuilding itself. 1295 01:27:03,630 --> 01:27:09,720 The episodes table episodes table is like 70 gigs. And so it 1296 01:27:09,780 --> 01:27:14,010 it was rambling. Yeah, it will build a temporary table. That's 1297 01:27:14,010 --> 01:27:15,240 almost the entire thing. 1298 01:27:15,900 --> 01:27:18,780 So because of that, let me guess because of the value we 1299 01:27:18,780 --> 01:27:22,080 received, you were able to set up a complete replication system 1300 01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:23,130 and save the day. 1301 01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:25,350 Oh, no. Damn. 1302 01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:28,230 Whatever your story is, this one's better. 1303 01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:30,990 I just restarted the database. 1304 01:27:32,370 --> 01:27:33,840 plugged it Yeah. 1305 01:27:35,790 --> 01:27:40,800 sudo reboot. And I was like, please, please don't do that. 1306 01:27:40,860 --> 01:27:46,020 Anyway. But But now if we meet if we need to, and by the way, 1307 01:27:46,050 --> 01:27:51,390 CRISPR I seen is trickling in feeds on a daily basis now where 1308 01:27:51,990 --> 01:27:56,100 the database is about to hit one and a half million feet. And 1309 01:27:56,100 --> 01:27:56,640 this one point, 1310 01:27:56,940 --> 01:27:59,940 and this is all on stats dot podcast. index.org now, 1311 01:28:00,209 --> 01:28:04,739 yeah, yeah. Nice. Yeah. Nice. We got our own page boost to be 1312 01:28:04,739 --> 01:28:09,479 doing about one every couple of seconds, I think. So where we 1313 01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:13,559 started at around 1.3 or something like that. And now 1314 01:28:13,559 --> 01:28:19,289 we're at, we're just about the 1.5 million and so that the 1315 01:28:19,319 --> 01:28:23,939 database is going to grow and that the episodes table is going 1316 01:28:23,939 --> 01:28:29,069 to be humongous. We may need a bigger database server so we got 1317 01:28:29,069 --> 01:28:30,869 it. If we need it. We got it. 1318 01:28:30,900 --> 01:28:35,310 That's what's so beautiful, man. Does this change dynamically 1319 01:28:35,310 --> 01:28:36,750 when a new one pops up? 1320 01:28:37,770 --> 01:28:45,930 Every 15 minutes? I think it refreshes. Yeah, sweet. See, we 1321 01:28:45,930 --> 01:28:49,260 got john called. I think there's a say k. Oh, lb. 1322 01:28:50,219 --> 01:28:51,299 Calm calm. 1323 01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:52,530 Yeah. I think. 1324 01:28:53,370 --> 01:28:58,800 Oh, yeah. Concho Yeah. JOHN called the third gave us $33.33 1325 01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:03,900 magic number. Yep. I said, Dave, hardware engineer and podcast 1326 01:29:03,900 --> 01:29:06,960 fan here. All right, something, something about the deep dive 1327 01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:09,330 into the namespace gives me a warm feeling and 1328 01:29:10,110 --> 01:29:13,110 see it's working already. Thanks. 1329 01:29:13,770 --> 01:29:20,250 Thank you, john. That's appreciated. And we get to, we 1330 01:29:20,250 --> 01:29:24,420 lost a $50 month subscription this month. So this thing does 1331 01:29:24,420 --> 01:29:29,430 happen. It does happen. And we but we gained, Alex gates gave 1332 01:29:29,430 --> 01:29:33,330 us a $25 monthly to Jewish nice, thank you, everybody. Everybody 1333 01:29:33,330 --> 01:29:34,050 knows Alex, 1334 01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:37,140 those. Those recurring donations are great and really appreciate 1335 01:29:37,140 --> 01:29:37,470 that. 1336 01:29:37,980 --> 01:29:40,260 Yeah. Thank you. And thank you, thank you for the donation but 1337 01:29:40,260 --> 01:29:43,380 also thank you for all your input. He's really active on the 1338 01:29:43,380 --> 01:29:46,710 mastodon and on the GitHub. Yeah, yeah. Really appreciate 1339 01:29:46,710 --> 01:29:52,770 that. There was no note and then Thomas Sullivan gave us $5 month 1340 01:29:52,770 --> 01:29:56,100 subscription and those are extremely helpful, because that 1341 01:29:56,580 --> 01:30:02,340 that will cover there. We've got plenty of $5 months one gig VMs. 1342 01:30:02,730 --> 01:30:03,360 And yeah, 1343 01:30:03,390 --> 01:30:05,610 no kidding. No kidding. Absolutely. 1344 01:30:05,970 --> 01:30:09,480 Thank you, Thomas. very appreciated, guys. That's it. 1345 01:30:09,480 --> 01:30:09,990 That's great. 1346 01:30:10,260 --> 01:30:13,920 Well, thank you all. keeping the lights on keeping the server's 1347 01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:17,940 running once again, we make it through another week. podcast 1348 01:30:17,940 --> 01:30:21,540 index.org scroll to the bottom we got a big big red button. 1349 01:30:21,900 --> 01:30:25,050 Click on that you can still send your COC bucks to the Pay Pal 1350 01:30:25,050 --> 01:30:29,520 system. And we're lighting to firing and Bitcoin defying 1351 01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:33,240 everything Eric the shill is working on back office all kinds 1352 01:30:33,240 --> 01:30:37,260 of I see him putting a lot of QR codes and things in place. So 1353 01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:40,230 he's doing something to demand more monitors 1354 01:30:40,230 --> 01:30:41,190 than anybody 1355 01:30:42,660 --> 01:30:46,110 is like, I have a ground loop on my mic. Hmm. Gee, I don't know. 1356 01:30:46,110 --> 01:30:49,200 Maybe unplug half of those televisions. You got blasted on? 1357 01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:55,890 Yeah. Oh, man, man, man, man. So what's, what's the future for 1358 01:30:55,890 --> 01:30:58,800 you and for pod Libra, or maybe for you personal Benjamin. 1359 01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:08,250 Um, we, we are starting to commercialize our contextual 1360 01:31:08,250 --> 01:31:13,650 monetization program. So that's, that's gonna be a big chunk on 1361 01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:17,610 our desk in the, in the coming months. 1362 01:31:17,730 --> 01:31:20,190 How does that? What exactly is that? 1363 01:31:20,820 --> 01:31:27,690 Um, so actually, what we do is that we, we analyze and index 1364 01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:33,810 the podcast episodes. So the the audio files and the metadata? 1365 01:31:34,440 --> 01:31:34,950 Yeah. 1366 01:31:36,150 --> 01:31:41,850 We, we have a semantic search, we, we extract what it talks 1367 01:31:41,850 --> 01:31:50,370 about, and we link that to anything. Oh, and that can be ad 1368 01:31:50,370 --> 01:31:55,470 our affiliate product or whatever. And we are conducting 1369 01:31:55,470 --> 01:32:03,360 some tests. Now. We, we display these ads within the show notes. 1370 01:32:05,910 --> 01:32:09,720 And that works pretty well, because we have a five person 1371 01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:17,070 click rate on this car. And it's it's totally cookieless. 1372 01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:25,890 Okay, so this is a contextual promotion system? I yeah, don't 1373 01:32:25,890 --> 01:32:29,100 need to call it as because you put anything in there. So 1374 01:32:29,100 --> 01:32:34,260 that's, that's okay. Here I go again. So you could also create 1375 01:32:34,590 --> 01:32:36,420 contextualized chapters. 1376 01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:45,180 Yes. Interesting. Huh? So, okay, so if you have, so you could run 1377 01:32:45,210 --> 01:32:47,040 a recommendation in point then 1378 01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:52,200 what you have here 1379 01:32:52,500 --> 01:32:54,810 for your recommendation tag? So let's, let's just say that. 1380 01:32:55,770 --> 01:33:00,090 Okay. I'm trying to think of a good example. Okay, let's say 1381 01:33:00,090 --> 01:33:09,900 that you are buzz cast. And, you know, here's a better example, 1382 01:33:10,440 --> 01:33:14,250 let's say that you're the new media show, with Todd Cochran 1383 01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:18,420 and Rob Greenlee. And you, if they want to put a 1384 01:33:18,420 --> 01:33:23,820 recommendation tag into their, into their show, they enter 1385 01:33:23,820 --> 01:33:28,830 their feed, they could call out to you with their feed 1386 01:33:28,890 --> 01:33:34,470 information, you can analyze, or you can pull out a year system 1387 01:33:34,770 --> 01:33:39,270 with things that are recommended, for instance, a 1388 01:33:39,270 --> 01:33:45,690 libsyn, a link to Lipson discount code, a link, blueberry 1389 01:33:45,810 --> 01:33:50,580 think things like that. And then the soundbite from, from some 1390 01:33:52,020 --> 01:33:55,710 from two of their shows that lists are good demos. And you 1391 01:33:55,710 --> 01:33:59,220 can return that as just a chunk of XML that they can just 1392 01:33:59,250 --> 01:34:00,450 automatically include 1393 01:34:00,450 --> 01:34:04,710 in their feed some something that's directly related to it 1394 01:34:04,710 --> 01:34:07,710 that really makes sense. That's the whole point of what we're 1395 01:34:07,710 --> 01:34:08,190 doing. 1396 01:34:08,910 --> 01:34:12,420 Okay. Okay. Because that that's neat, because that's the way I 1397 01:34:12,420 --> 01:34:14,880 see. I know, there's always there's always going to be 1398 01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:17,790 people who want to hard code and men manually code their own 1399 01:34:17,790 --> 01:34:22,440 stuff. But with to me the ultimate power of something like 1400 01:34:22,440 --> 01:34:27,780 a recommendation, the tag is that you have people you have 1401 01:34:27,780 --> 01:34:32,130 other companies like yours or like hosting companies, you have 1402 01:34:32,130 --> 01:34:36,390 other companies that they can you can call out to them and get 1403 01:34:36,870 --> 01:34:41,130 a batch of recommendations curated and returned as XML that 1404 01:34:41,130 --> 01:34:44,910 you can just drop in and then there can be there can be a, you 1405 01:34:44,910 --> 01:34:47,160 know, an incentive there a monetary incentive or however 1406 01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:49,080 that however that market develops 1407 01:34:53,460 --> 01:34:54,690 was that a question? 1408 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:01,380 So, now 1409 01:35:02,490 --> 01:35:08,520 our expertise is working on the recommendation engines. Yeah, so 1410 01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:11,370 that's working for decades. Yeah. So 1411 01:35:11,370 --> 01:35:15,210 y'all would be fantastic at it. You know, it's it's really, it's 1412 01:35:15,210 --> 01:35:18,030 kind of a combo of human intelligence and artificial 1413 01:35:18,030 --> 01:35:18,870 intelligence. 1414 01:35:19,110 --> 01:35:21,270 Yeah, exactly. And, 1415 01:35:21,330 --> 01:35:24,540 and you actually get to be cut with your recommendation 1416 01:35:24,540 --> 01:35:29,040 choices. You could, in fact, I think, train the AI to some 1417 01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:29,490 degree. 1418 01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:32,670 Yeah, possibly. Okay. 1419 01:35:33,570 --> 01:35:37,470 Yeah, I want to start back up the phase three of the 1420 01:35:37,470 --> 01:35:42,120 namespace, but at the end of the month, so I'm thinking, and you 1421 01:35:42,120 --> 01:35:46,980 tell me, tell me what your opinion has been. I like there 1422 01:35:46,980 --> 01:35:51,270 to be some sort of balance between things that we can use 1423 01:35:51,300 --> 01:35:55,050 right now. And things that are more aspirational, looking down 1424 01:35:55,050 --> 01:35:58,800 the road, Moon shots, whatever you want to call them. And so 1425 01:35:58,950 --> 01:36:03,720 for what I'm thinking right now, for phase three, I would like to 1426 01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:06,810 do the recommendation stuff, I would like to also put location 1427 01:36:06,840 --> 01:36:13,710 into the chapters, Jason format. And then I would also like to do 1428 01:36:13,830 --> 01:36:17,730 trailers. Those are the those are the, because I think the 1429 01:36:17,730 --> 01:36:21,060 trailers can be immediately useful. We've already had at 1430 01:36:21,060 --> 01:36:26,760 least one host, I think it was his cat, captivate. captivate is 1431 01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:31,050 the one who came up with the trailers. Tag idea. So I'm 1432 01:36:31,050 --> 01:36:38,100 thinking if we have recommendation, trailers, and 1433 01:36:38,100 --> 01:36:42,270 then a tweak to an addition to the location into the chapters 1434 01:36:42,270 --> 01:36:45,630 format, that seems to me like a pretty good batch to work on for 1435 01:36:45,630 --> 01:36:47,400 phase three. Yeah, what do you think? 1436 01:36:47,460 --> 01:36:48,030 Perfect. 1437 01:36:49,410 --> 01:36:50,130 Go for it. 1438 01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:53,640 I'm thinking I'm thinking we start back, I think we start 1439 01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:59,040 back rolling with the namespace. April 1. And having a break has 1440 01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:02,490 been good. Because this let me catch my breath and catch up 1441 01:37:02,490 --> 01:37:06,690 with some of the code that I was really getting neglected. And 1442 01:37:06,750 --> 01:37:08,940 then I think I think it's time to create 1443 01:37:08,969 --> 01:37:11,519 your thing like yours, but also our breath. 1444 01:37:12,120 --> 01:37:13,560 Yeah, no kidding. Yeah. 1445 01:37:14,430 --> 01:37:19,140 Because you're hard to keep up with. 1446 01:37:22,290 --> 01:37:24,810 What I'm what I'm always worried about is we create something 1447 01:37:24,810 --> 01:37:28,170 fantastic. And we just, it just kind of sits over there we go. 1448 01:37:28,620 --> 01:37:31,410 1000 miles, like what what was that thing again? And we just 1449 01:37:31,410 --> 01:37:33,420 left it on by the side of the road? You know? 1450 01:37:33,900 --> 01:37:35,100 Yeah, that's always easy. Is 1451 01:37:35,100 --> 01:37:37,440 there a Is there anything like that right now that we just kind 1452 01:37:37,440 --> 01:37:38,370 of left dangling? 1453 01:37:41,190 --> 01:37:41,940 Um, I 1454 01:37:41,940 --> 01:37:45,360 don't think so. Really? now. I think everybody I think 1455 01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:48,030 everything's, everything's pretty up to speed. Yeah, I 1456 01:37:48,030 --> 01:37:50,820 mean, there's somebody doing all of it. You know, somebody's 1457 01:37:50,820 --> 01:37:54,480 doing every, at least one piece of all of it. Yeah, I don't 1458 01:37:54,480 --> 01:37:59,760 think there's anything on the floor really. That does, either. 1459 01:38:00,270 --> 01:38:01,890 Well, Benjamin, 1460 01:38:02,580 --> 01:38:07,920 I am so so delighted to have been able to meet you this way 1461 01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:08,910 and speak with you. 1462 01:38:10,050 --> 01:38:10,680 So am I, 1463 01:38:11,550 --> 01:38:16,020 and, and I'm over the moon with the thinking you're bringing to 1464 01:38:16,020 --> 01:38:21,090 podcasting. 2.0 and the project is some deep shit. And the 1465 01:38:21,090 --> 01:38:25,440 recommendation to me is well, as you're doing something really 1466 01:38:25,440 --> 01:38:28,530 and this, you know, as Dave mentioned, I've completely 1467 01:38:28,530 --> 01:38:33,270 rewrote and everyone's helping out on just a brief explanation 1468 01:38:33,270 --> 01:38:36,270 of what is podcasting 2.0 with the main mission of making it 1469 01:38:36,300 --> 01:38:39,540 easy for any journalist to understand, which is probably 1470 01:38:39,540 --> 01:38:44,880 the lowest bar I can go for. But it was a request. So I like that 1471 01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:51,690 request. And, and the big part of it really is. And what's hard 1472 01:38:51,690 --> 01:38:55,200 is to describe how beautiful the exam you could probably do it 1473 01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:59,730 for any open source movement, but how beautiful it is to allow 1474 01:38:59,730 --> 01:39:03,990 for all these features, all these ideas to come in. And and 1475 01:39:03,990 --> 01:39:06,420 they just and they happen or they don't you know, it's like 1476 01:39:06,510 --> 01:39:08,820 this, hardly anything someone's built that hasn't been 1477 01:39:08,820 --> 01:39:12,180 implemented by at least one other person. And it just starts 1478 01:39:12,180 --> 01:39:17,160 to grow into something. Well, this is what we wasted 10 Why 1479 01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:21,090 didn't I dropped out, but 10 years went by and look at all 1480 01:39:21,090 --> 01:39:24,060 this pent up energy that everyone has. It's beautiful to 1481 01:39:24,060 --> 01:39:27,030 see it and I really appreciate what you and your Siena doing 1482 01:39:27,030 --> 01:39:30,780 and the rest of the team. And I also appreciate Madame Fonda 1483 01:39:30,780 --> 01:39:34,950 Lyon, who indirectly is the President of the European Union 1484 01:39:34,950 --> 01:39:37,950 that gave you a grant so you can do this work. 1485 01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:40,410 Actually, she gave two grants. 1486 01:39:42,030 --> 01:39:49,050 Wow, she only just got in. Yeah. making it rain. Nice. Nice. From 1487 01:39:49,050 --> 01:39:49,620 the lion 1488 01:39:50,940 --> 01:39:52,500 head. How do you know that person? 1489 01:39:53,219 --> 01:39:54,929 I thought she's the President of the European. 1490 01:39:56,010 --> 01:39:58,440 Oh, I thought you know who is that? You know, 1491 01:39:58,440 --> 01:40:01,050 that was the cow. I know. The climate guy. 1492 01:40:02,070 --> 01:40:04,740 Yeah, that's what 1493 01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:06,630 when he didn't he viga 1494 01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:08,820 No, no, no, no MTV guy. 1495 01:40:09,450 --> 01:40:14,010 Yeah. politician is some some dude was like a media guy. And 1496 01:40:14,010 --> 01:40:19,860 then he became a politician. The Dude, that was the president of 1497 01:40:19,860 --> 01:40:22,560 the now he was at the MPC at NPR for a while. 1498 01:40:22,890 --> 01:40:29,640 Oh, no, no, no, no. No, you think of someone else. I'm 1499 01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:33,420 talking about from steamer mounts. He was in the running 1500 01:40:33,420 --> 01:40:36,540 for the Dutch politician. He was in the running for the European 1501 01:40:36,540 --> 01:40:40,350 Union for the presidency. And he cut a deal and now he's the 1502 01:40:40,350 --> 01:40:45,090 climate czar. Okay. And so he gets to go find, you know, I 1503 01:40:45,090 --> 01:40:48,420 don't know. 100 100 trillion from here under trillion from 1504 01:40:48,420 --> 01:40:48,720 there. 1505 01:40:49,680 --> 01:40:56,400 Okay. Oh, damn. Almost forgot what? I don't know if I want to. 1506 01:40:56,760 --> 01:41:05,100 Okay. All right. I got to do it. I've got an idea. For Earth Day, 1507 01:41:06,270 --> 01:41:10,770 which is April 22. I think better make a better make sure 1508 01:41:10,770 --> 01:41:13,350 this. See Earth Day. 1509 01:41:13,440 --> 01:41:14,880 I always forget it. 1510 01:41:15,330 --> 01:41:23,250 April 22. Okay. All right. The guy from podcasters declare. 1511 01:41:23,580 --> 01:41:24,810 Oh, yeah. Yeah. 1512 01:41:25,620 --> 01:41:27,270 More contacted me. 1513 01:41:27,300 --> 01:41:30,030 Oh, okay. I like this. 1514 01:41:30,060 --> 01:41:31,860 Yeah. And he for the for the climate 1515 01:41:31,860 --> 01:41:32,310 tag. 1516 01:41:32,490 --> 01:41:38,730 Yeah, climate tag. So I just had this idea. This and I had asked 1517 01:41:38,730 --> 01:41:42,450 on the mastodon for people to tell me whether or not you could 1518 01:41:42,450 --> 01:41:47,130 put in a tag in iTunes that does not exist. So if you have an AI, 1519 01:41:47,220 --> 01:41:51,090 if you have a feed in iTunes in the apple in the apple podcast 1520 01:41:51,090 --> 01:41:51,540 directory, 1521 01:41:51,570 --> 01:41:53,070 I think it just ignores it, doesn't it? 1522 01:41:53,610 --> 01:41:55,860 Yeah, that's what they said. They said that it's safe to 1523 01:41:55,860 --> 01:42:00,750 it'll safely ignore it. Uh huh. So here's my idea for Earth Day, 1524 01:42:00,930 --> 01:42:03,030 we launched the tag on Earth Day. 1525 01:42:03,750 --> 01:42:09,750 Everybody puts in the day, it everyone put buddy puts in a 1526 01:42:09,750 --> 01:42:15,540 bogus iTunes climate category tag in their feed? The whole 1527 01:42:15,540 --> 01:42:21,750 world. Okay, as to get as, as a as PR. 1528 01:42:23,160 --> 01:42:25,710 Now, at what point does gretta do this? 1529 01:42:26,370 --> 01:42:26,820 I don't know. 1530 01:42:27,630 --> 01:42:30,720 If you don't have gretta you're not gonna get any traction? 1531 01:42:31,350 --> 01:42:31,710 Well, 1532 01:42:31,770 --> 01:42:35,970 I get we need gretta he grew up with and I think it's, it's a 1533 01:42:35,970 --> 01:42:38,700 it's a silent protest 1534 01:42:38,760 --> 01:42:40,590 here, but it won't show up anywhere. 1535 01:42:40,950 --> 01:42:43,620 But it but you, that doesn't matter. Because you have that 1536 01:42:43,620 --> 01:42:46,680 you just PR it? Because it's not it's the PR, they give you the 1537 01:42:46,680 --> 01:42:47,460 pressure. See, I 1538 01:42:47,460 --> 01:42:53,640 would I would you know my stance on this. But is it for me? It's 1539 01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:55,830 like, why don't we just implement it and tell them to go 1540 01:42:55,830 --> 01:42:57,510 fuck themselves? Oh, well, I 1541 01:42:57,510 --> 01:43:00,720 mean, that's, that's always the we could do. So I'd love for 1542 01:43:00,720 --> 01:43:03,330 everybody to put the climate tag in. But I'd love for it to just 1543 01:43:03,330 --> 01:43:07,920 work. We could do see, we're still griping about about how to 1544 01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:12,840 do categories over here. So we're not even ready. But if if 1545 01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:16,260 I just think it's a great thing to do is I Oh, you want to have 1546 01:43:16,650 --> 01:43:20,250 apple? You want to pressure them into giving giving you a climate 1547 01:43:20,250 --> 01:43:20,550 tag? 1548 01:43:20,580 --> 01:43:21,030 How will that 1549 01:43:22,200 --> 01:43:26,520 work? Because it gives all in the media. It's like a report on 1550 01:43:26,520 --> 01:43:30,480 that. 1 million podcasts on Earth Day are implementing a 1551 01:43:30,480 --> 01:43:33,540 climate tag because they're doing it themselves because 1552 01:43:33,540 --> 01:43:34,530 Apple won't do it. 1553 01:43:35,580 --> 01:43:36,150 Dave 1554 01:43:36,450 --> 01:43:38,340 1 million podcasts. 1555 01:43:39,630 --> 01:43:40,440 I don't know. 1556 01:43:42,030 --> 01:43:43,410 I'm just making crap up man. 1557 01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:48,360 I appreciate the sentiment. I just want to turn that into 1558 01:43:48,360 --> 01:43:49,650 something good for us too. 1559 01:43:50,010 --> 01:43:51,990 Yeah, I can't figure that part out. 1560 01:43:54,240 --> 01:43:56,790 Sorry that you had to listen to that to a struggling there. 1561 01:43:56,790 --> 01:44:00,870 Benjamin as I was about about to let us all go Dave. out. He 1562 01:44:00,870 --> 01:44:04,530 dragged down one o'clock in the morning and our time of 1563 01:44:04,530 --> 01:44:05,460 gratitude and Betty 1564 01:44:06,240 --> 01:44:09,450 was gone. I was wondering if I have to implement that into 1565 01:44:09,450 --> 01:44:10,110 Castor pod? 1566 01:44:11,340 --> 01:44:14,100 Well, eventually I think whatever we come up with with 1567 01:44:14,100 --> 01:44:17,850 categories. I'd like to see the climate folks get satisfied. 1568 01:44:17,880 --> 01:44:19,950 That will be fine. I think that's important. 1569 01:44:21,450 --> 01:44:26,100 Now you can add anything you want into your RSS feed so not 1570 01:44:26,100 --> 01:44:27,150 my problem anymore. 1571 01:44:27,270 --> 01:44:27,780 That's right. 1572 01:44:27,810 --> 01:44:28,320 There you go. 1573 01:44:28,380 --> 01:44:31,740 Right. Yes, indeed. Right there was cast upon Benjamin Bellamy 1574 01:44:31,740 --> 01:44:35,400 Thank you so much. Really appreciate you love the work 1575 01:44:35,400 --> 01:44:39,030 that you're doing. And again, thank you for for really pushing 1576 01:44:39,060 --> 01:44:42,330 everything further. It's It's It's great. And it's just great 1577 01:44:42,330 --> 01:44:44,760 to have partners in France. It doesn't happen very often. 1578 01:44:46,170 --> 01:44:50,460 It's my pleasure. And yeah, there are many, many great open 1579 01:44:50,460 --> 01:44:53,550 source and podcaster is in France. Well, I want to come 1580 01:44:53,730 --> 01:44:56,040 today just don't speak English. From Well, 1581 01:44:56,280 --> 01:45:00,300 you know, give me a 48 hours and I can kind of ask for A few 1582 01:45:00,300 --> 01:45:04,650 things. But I'd love to love to come back to Paris. And when I 1583 01:45:04,650 --> 01:45:08,250 do, maybe I can take you out for a coffee or for for a meal. 1584 01:45:08,310 --> 01:45:13,740 That'd be really fun. All right, Mr. Jones? Yep. Then we good. We 1585 01:45:13,740 --> 01:45:18,480 need anything. What? I should just mention that the breeze app 1586 01:45:18,480 --> 01:45:24,660 should be launching next week. Nice. And yeah, yeah. And it's a 1587 01:45:24,660 --> 01:45:28,140 whole different view of looking at how everything can be. 1588 01:45:28,590 --> 01:45:31,410 But I've got it. I got an iPhone. I don't you're having 1589 01:45:31,410 --> 01:45:32,610 all the fun. I get nothing. Yeah, 1590 01:45:32,610 --> 01:45:36,060 I got the, the APK Well, you know, for some reason, the 1591 01:45:36,060 --> 01:45:39,360 flutter guys always wind up doing the iOS part last. I'm 1592 01:45:39,360 --> 01:45:43,320 sure there's a reason for it. So be on the lookout for that. 1593 01:45:43,560 --> 01:45:46,380 Thank you both very much. And thank everyone else who was here 1594 01:45:46,380 --> 01:45:51,030 for the board meeting of podcasting. 2.0 and we will 1595 01:45:51,090 --> 01:45:55,860 gladly be back with you again next week. 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