1 00:00:01,050 --> 00:00:11,790 2.0 for March 5 2021, Episode 27 certifying the universe it's 2 00:00:11,790 --> 00:00:18,030 that time once again when Friday feels like a Saturday there is 3 00:00:18,750 --> 00:00:22,530 nothing but goodness Friday's for me Why? Because it's time 4 00:00:22,530 --> 00:00:27,540 once again for the free open source board meeting of 5 00:00:27,540 --> 00:00:31,860 podcasting 2.0 podcast index.org I'm out of curry in Austin, 6 00:00:31,860 --> 00:00:36,090 Texas and in Alabama ladies. He's the OG Dev 7 00:00:36,090 --> 00:00:37,020 named Dave, my 8 00:00:37,020 --> 00:00:38,190 friend on the other end. 9 00:00:41,430 --> 00:00:44,700 You really know how to sell it is an open source board meeting. 10 00:00:45,390 --> 00:00:46,260 Well, it is, 11 00:00:46,500 --> 00:00:49,200 but it's free. Exactly. It's 12 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,390 free and open source. Yeah. 13 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,090 Yeah, who wouldn't want to attend that? 14 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:57,480 Yeah. Free. Oh, it's like it's like clubhouse for podcasting. 15 00:00:58,560 --> 00:00:59,880 Only you don't get to talk. 16 00:01:02,220 --> 00:01:03,270 No stage for you. 17 00:01:04,140 --> 00:01:06,510 Oh, man, I was talking to my sister Willow. 18 00:01:07,890 --> 00:01:09,000 In Italy. Yeah, 19 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,780 she's, yeah, she lives in Florence. And she is currently 20 00:01:12,780 --> 00:01:17,160 doing her master's for cyber psychology. 21 00:01:18,030 --> 00:01:18,990 I burst calm. 22 00:01:18,990 --> 00:01:24,030 Yeah, it's, yeah. She's a real degree. So of course, it 23 00:01:24,030 --> 00:01:26,820 includes actual psychology. And so she's learning a lot of 24 00:01:26,820 --> 00:01:30,720 stuff. And it does also include some things about DNA. So we 25 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:34,410 were chatting about vaccines and you know, stuff like that. And, 26 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,220 boy, if I only remember what I was coming back to. 27 00:01:38,910 --> 00:01:42,390 Yes, I bet some of us cyberpsychology Yeah. 28 00:01:43,740 --> 00:01:46,980 Shoot, man. I don't remember the whole wrapping my head. It just 29 00:01:46,980 --> 00:01:48,000 flew out the window. 30 00:01:48,059 --> 00:01:51,869 Okay. It'll save you I've got I'm currently drinking out of 31 00:01:51,869 --> 00:02:01,499 my. Oh, yes. Which you doxed me for? Yeah. This. This is the I 32 00:02:01,499 --> 00:02:06,119 just posted a picture of it to the mastodon. It is the not the 33 00:02:06,119 --> 00:02:09,269 regular pot friend mug. But the psychopath friend mug. 34 00:02:09,330 --> 00:02:12,090 I just saw that picture. I'm gonna have to put it in the show 35 00:02:12,090 --> 00:02:14,880 notes. It is. It's hilarious. 36 00:02:15,599 --> 00:02:20,699 This is this is not pod friend. This is your very best pod. 37 00:02:21,270 --> 00:02:23,040 pod friend on drugs, baby. 38 00:02:24,030 --> 00:02:29,640 That is he really really wants to be your best friend. As a 39 00:02:29,640 --> 00:02:32,340 matter of fact, he takes he will not take no for an answer. 40 00:02:32,940 --> 00:02:36,030 I'll have drug put it in. While I'm sure he's hearing us now put 41 00:02:36,030 --> 00:02:38,070 it in the chapter image. My favorite 42 00:02:38,070 --> 00:02:43,110 part of this My favorite part of this image is that psycho pod 43 00:02:43,110 --> 00:02:46,440 friends tongue is upside down. Which I didn't notice and 44 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:46,890 totally yeah. 45 00:02:47,129 --> 00:02:51,719 Oh, yeah. It's totally it's complete. It's complete. I 46 00:02:51,719 --> 00:02:54,239 didn't know that. He was gonna send you the mug with that image 47 00:02:54,239 --> 00:02:57,449 on it. Man. I want one of those. That's a collector's item. That 48 00:02:57,449 --> 00:02:58,859 thing is fantastic. 49 00:02:59,069 --> 00:03:02,879 archive is the archive quality right here. You know, this. 50 00:03:02,999 --> 00:03:06,269 There's this book was Stephen King's Dark Tower series. 51 00:03:06,449 --> 00:03:11,159 There's this part in that book where he, where one of the main 52 00:03:11,159 --> 00:03:13,829 character says that he was looking at this children's book 53 00:03:14,129 --> 00:03:17,519 with a with a train on the cover. And the train is like 54 00:03:17,519 --> 00:03:20,429 it's like this kid's train. It has a face on it. You know? Yes. 55 00:03:20,459 --> 00:03:22,109 You said like, Thomas the Tank Engine. 56 00:03:23,370 --> 00:03:24,420 mcboatface. Yeah, 57 00:03:24,449 --> 00:03:28,289 yeah. But I mean, there's, there's kids like hanging out of 58 00:03:28,289 --> 00:03:31,139 the railway cars like, like having fun. They look like 59 00:03:31,139 --> 00:03:34,319 they're having a great time. And he said, the longer he looked at 60 00:03:34,319 --> 00:03:38,489 it. He's like, the more I looked at it, the more I realized that 61 00:03:38,489 --> 00:03:42,029 they weren't having fun. They were actually terrified. And the 62 00:03:42,029 --> 00:03:47,729 train was a psycho. It's like, the more the luck, though. And 63 00:03:47,729 --> 00:03:50,579 they were they were screaming for help wanting to jump out. So 64 00:03:50,639 --> 00:03:53,399 like, that's my thing with them. The longer you look at it, the 65 00:03:53,399 --> 00:03:54,629 more psycho it gets. 66 00:03:54,659 --> 00:03:57,389 He was beautiful. Now, I remember what I was talking 67 00:03:57,389 --> 00:04:01,259 about with Willow about thanks for covering about clubhouse. 68 00:04:01,979 --> 00:04:04,919 And how what is what she believes is taking place. And 69 00:04:04,919 --> 00:04:07,619 actually we were talking more about how kancil culture fits 70 00:04:07,619 --> 00:04:10,919 into cyber addiction, which she may even write her thesis about. 71 00:04:11,999 --> 00:04:12,629 Yeah, I 72 00:04:12,629 --> 00:04:13,289 want to read that. 73 00:04:13,319 --> 00:04:17,459 Yeah, well, she wants to get back to me after she's done with 74 00:04:17,459 --> 00:04:20,069 her masters, which one she's near the end. So I was going to 75 00:04:20,069 --> 00:04:25,409 interview her. But we were talking about how difficult 76 00:04:25,409 --> 00:04:30,299 conversation is for people when they're not in a control when 77 00:04:30,299 --> 00:04:32,579 that can't control the conversation. She says look, 78 00:04:32,609 --> 00:04:35,999 social media, text messaging, all this stuff. You control the 79 00:04:35,999 --> 00:04:39,149 conversation. You don't have to answer right away, you have time 80 00:04:39,149 --> 00:04:43,919 to think you know, there's this mirroring that you can do by 81 00:04:43,949 --> 00:04:46,889 just sending an emoji that will automatically make for someone 82 00:04:46,889 --> 00:04:50,459 feel happy putting context in it, but she said there's so much 83 00:04:50,459 --> 00:04:56,669 that you just don't have with text and said facemask another 84 00:04:56,669 --> 00:05:00,239 huge problem because you really can't read something ones 85 00:05:00,239 --> 00:05:04,199 emotion you are, you're missing 70% of the information of 86 00:05:04,199 --> 00:05:08,279 communication between human beings and clubhouse is in 87 00:05:08,309 --> 00:05:12,629 effect, not a podcasting experience. It is a social media 88 00:05:12,629 --> 00:05:16,859 experience with the added dimension that we subconsciously 89 00:05:16,859 --> 00:05:20,429 have been missing, namely that of speech and speech inflection. 90 00:05:21,329 --> 00:05:24,449 So it's much as a much richer experience, and people are just 91 00:05:24,449 --> 00:05:29,549 craving this, and also to show off their skills of immediate 92 00:05:29,699 --> 00:05:34,439 reactionary conversation. So not something you get to think about 93 00:05:34,439 --> 00:05:37,229 before you reply to the tweet or the text message. But you have 94 00:05:37,259 --> 00:05:39,719 it's like debating skills, you know, stuff we used to learn in 95 00:05:39,719 --> 00:05:43,799 school is now kind of, I think it's maybe people don't do that 96 00:05:43,799 --> 00:05:44,399 anymore. 97 00:05:45,300 --> 00:05:49,800 I think I think kids are terrified of it. Kids have grown 98 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,550 up. Now I see it with my own kids. I grew up with text 99 00:05:53,550 --> 00:05:59,460 messaging. And so they've always had this ability to have a slow, 100 00:05:59,460 --> 00:06:01,890 methodical conversation where they have plenty of time to 101 00:06:01,890 --> 00:06:06,960 think exactly, man, when you throw a young person into an 102 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,140 actual conversation, like put them on a phone call, or 103 00:06:10,140 --> 00:06:11,310 impersonal they 104 00:06:11,430 --> 00:06:13,410 they flip out, freeze, they freeze. 105 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,900 Yeah. Because they're afraid they're gonna make a mistake and 106 00:06:15,900 --> 00:06:18,090 look like an idiot, or worse. 107 00:06:18,389 --> 00:06:20,789 They're so over socialized, they're afraid they're going to 108 00:06:20,819 --> 00:06:25,559 make a mistake. While they did not intend to, will hurt the 109 00:06:25,559 --> 00:06:27,149 other person's feelings. 110 00:06:27,269 --> 00:06:31,769 Oh, yes, yes. True. Yeah. Yeah. Which is probably you know, 111 00:06:32,519 --> 00:06:36,449 which actually may be a self fulfilling prophecy, because 112 00:06:36,809 --> 00:06:39,569 they're expecting to have to accidentally hurt the other 113 00:06:39,569 --> 00:06:42,449 person's feelings. The other person is probably expecting you 114 00:06:42,449 --> 00:06:46,079 to hurt their feelings. Yep. At the same time, because they had 115 00:06:46,079 --> 00:06:48,329 that same fear in reverse. It's, 116 00:06:49,260 --> 00:06:50,130 it's so sick. 117 00:06:50,580 --> 00:06:55,290 Willow can just listen to this show. We just pretty much crack 118 00:06:55,290 --> 00:06:56,220 that egg. 119 00:06:56,519 --> 00:06:58,859 Well, then I'll just on the canceled culture thing. She's 120 00:06:58,859 --> 00:07:02,579 really interesting. This was my idea. But she said, Oh, my God, 121 00:07:02,579 --> 00:07:05,759 this fits so perfectly. What I'm what I'm studying right now. 122 00:07:06,209 --> 00:07:11,009 Because there's multiple kinds of addiction. One is compulsive. 123 00:07:11,729 --> 00:07:14,369 You know, there's there's many different versions of this 124 00:07:14,399 --> 00:07:19,529 online. But it's gotten to a point where people are afraid to 125 00:07:19,529 --> 00:07:24,899 speak their mind. Because if they offend, they will get 126 00:07:24,899 --> 00:07:29,129 cancelled. And what happens is their drug goes away. This 127 00:07:29,129 --> 00:07:32,039 isn't, you know, this social media in particular, but also 128 00:07:32,039 --> 00:07:35,189 text messaging with friends. It is it is drugs. I mean, this has 129 00:07:35,189 --> 00:07:38,609 been proven it triggers the same stuff as cocaine in your brain. 130 00:07:39,149 --> 00:07:42,569 Yeah. And so people are so afraid of losing that, that they 131 00:07:42,569 --> 00:07:46,559 are very careful. Because they're really attics 132 00:07:48,060 --> 00:07:49,530 that wow, that 133 00:07:49,589 --> 00:07:53,279 that's what Willow said. She went Yes, yes, my thesis. 134 00:07:53,610 --> 00:07:58,080 That is genius, actually. Now wouldn't expect them to get into 135 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:02,850 this this fast. But I did have some clips on that. Okay, let's 136 00:08:02,850 --> 00:08:06,960 see what it I mean, you want to do some free fits free speech 137 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:07,650 stuff, like 138 00:08:09,209 --> 00:08:11,759 it's a board meeting, you have the floor, you have the speaking 139 00:08:11,759 --> 00:08:12,299 stick. 140 00:08:13,740 --> 00:08:15,960 I want to take a point of personal privilege, yes, in 141 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,890 order to please do play disinformation, one algorithms. 142 00:08:20,130 --> 00:08:23,400 And what that means in really simple terms, is people are 143 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,970 getting less information from person to person interactions, 144 00:08:26,970 --> 00:08:29,730 organic interactions, and they're getting more information 145 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,940 kind of filtered through algorithms through these social 146 00:08:32,940 --> 00:08:36,090 media platforms. And what we know about that, is these 147 00:08:36,090 --> 00:08:39,510 algorithms are known to make people more polarized. And 148 00:08:39,510 --> 00:08:42,540 they're, they're, they're known to make people more prone to 149 00:08:42,540 --> 00:08:44,430 believing conspiracy theories. 150 00:08:46,110 --> 00:08:49,620 Okay, yeah. Sounds like some good drugs to me, baby. 151 00:08:49,950 --> 00:08:54,960 It's the algorithms. idea. And so like there's this, there's 152 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:59,580 this notion within podcasting, that of that of you hear all the 153 00:08:59,580 --> 00:09:02,310 time, about discoverability. 154 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:04,680 Yeah, term. Yeah. 155 00:09:05,430 --> 00:09:10,110 And I used to think that that I was in that mindset, too, that 156 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:14,160 the discoverability was a problem that had to be solved, 157 00:09:14,670 --> 00:09:19,320 but I don't think it is anymore. I mean, sure. You want to be 158 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:24,120 able to find things when you go looking for it. But the idea 159 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:29,880 that you're going to somehow use an algorithm to surface the 160 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,780 content surface podcasts that you wouldn't otherwise be able 161 00:09:33,780 --> 00:09:39,870 to find, I think is always going to just like out algos, all the 162 00:09:39,870 --> 00:09:45,270 algos are ultimately going to lead you to that in which is 163 00:09:45,810 --> 00:09:50,460 you're being manipulated in some way by the algorithm. 164 00:09:50,639 --> 00:09:51,179 Totally. 165 00:09:52,590 --> 00:09:58,410 So, you know you have I was reading Ben Ben Thompson's piece 166 00:09:58,410 --> 00:10:02,970 on on clubhouse He says, Let's see the key for clubhouse will 167 00:10:02,970 --> 00:10:07,170 be owning its algorithms, honing its algorithms, so that every 168 00:10:07,170 --> 00:10:09,360 time the listener opens the app, they're presented with a 169 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,260 conversation that's interesting to them. This is the other area 170 00:10:13,260 --> 00:10:16,920 where podcasts missed the mark. It is amazing to have so much 171 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,220 choice but all too often that choice is paralyzing. Sometimes, 172 00:10:20,310 --> 00:10:23,670 a lot of times, users just want to scroll their Twitter feed 173 00:10:23,670 --> 00:10:26,370 instead of reading a long blog post, or click through the 174 00:10:26,370 --> 00:10:29,250 stories or sweat tic tocs. And clubhouse is poised to provide 175 00:10:29,250 --> 00:10:33,600 the same, quote, mindless escapism for background audio. 176 00:10:33,690 --> 00:10:34,680 Hmm, 177 00:10:34,710 --> 00:10:36,240 yes. See, 178 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:41,670 I think that is that would be very damaging to pod to the 179 00:10:41,670 --> 00:10:44,550 world of podcasting to have a system like that course, 180 00:10:44,580 --> 00:10:48,360 of course. And it's, you know, besides the obvious reasons of 181 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:53,880 hosting companies, not enabling enough space to do video for 182 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:59,370 many different reasons. But cos YouTube has, its, you know, 183 00:10:59,370 --> 00:11:02,910 YouTube is not podcasting. YouTube is an algorithm that is 184 00:11:02,910 --> 00:11:06,240 continuously showing you things that you should be watching 185 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,150 next, and people go down the rabbit hole, just follow that 186 00:11:09,150 --> 00:11:13,110 trail row, click on this, click on that. And it's drugs. It's 187 00:11:13,110 --> 00:11:17,010 it's some it's useful, no doubt. But it's all kind of 188 00:11:17,010 --> 00:11:20,970 entertainment. It's not. It's harmful. And and you see this 189 00:11:20,970 --> 00:11:24,420 with the mastodon, you know, there's multiple times per day, 190 00:11:24,420 --> 00:11:27,960 usually in the evening. Well check it out, like, Oh, crap, 191 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,260 there's nothing new. There's nothing there's not a single new 192 00:11:31,260 --> 00:11:34,980 post. And then I also think, cuz that's refreshing. 193 00:11:35,220 --> 00:11:36,000 Yeah, it's nice. 194 00:11:36,030 --> 00:11:40,320 I'm up to speed. I know. Okay, good. Now I can go do something 195 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:45,360 else. It's a very nice feeling. And it's really, and well, since 196 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,900 we're on this trip anyway, Wikipedia co founder Larry 197 00:11:48,900 --> 00:11:53,640 Sanger heard, I've never heard that name. No, neither I but I 198 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:59,040 guess he had he, I think he left 20 years ago. I mean, he, he 199 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:00,960 didn't like the way it was going. He was more of a 200 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,570 decentralized guy. And of course, he saw how it was now 201 00:12:03,570 --> 00:12:06,030 what was taking place. And now it's all locked down, you got to 202 00:12:06,030 --> 00:12:10,980 have the secret handshake and all kinds of weird stuff. So so. 203 00:12:11,820 --> 00:12:16,170 So listen to this. Sanger, who parted ways with Wikipedia 204 00:12:16,170 --> 00:12:18,750 almost two decades ago over the project's direction is now 205 00:12:18,750 --> 00:12:22,260 working on developing technical standards that could strip power 206 00:12:22,260 --> 00:12:25,350 over social media from giant companies and give users more 207 00:12:25,350 --> 00:12:29,250 control over the content they produce and see, concerns over 208 00:12:29,250 --> 00:12:31,620 the power of social media platforms have emerged across 209 00:12:31,620 --> 00:12:34,560 the political spectrum in recent years. So blah, blah, blah, 210 00:12:34,830 --> 00:12:38,580 quote, what needs to exist is a system that just makes it really 211 00:12:38,580 --> 00:12:42,030 easy for the average user to push out their social media 212 00:12:42,030 --> 00:12:46,020 content from a place that they own, like a blog, and then make 213 00:12:46,020 --> 00:12:48,600 it available on all these different platforms. So it 214 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,290 doesn't matter which platform you use saying, or the times on 215 00:12:52,290 --> 00:12:55,860 a phone call. So this place is the locus of control back in the 216 00:12:55,860 --> 00:13:00,960 hands of the average person, the end user, Oh, Oh, if only there 217 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:07,890 were a if there were only there were a protocol. That was only 218 00:13:07,890 --> 00:13:11,640 there was something that was easy to remember, like three 219 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:12,480 letters. 220 00:13:13,770 --> 00:13:14,970 s s, 221 00:13:15,870 --> 00:13:17,880 it's everything old is new again. 222 00:13:17,910 --> 00:13:21,330 But listen to this while he envisions this, this Captain 223 00:13:21,330 --> 00:13:25,470 Obvious of the future. What he envisions is a tool such as a 224 00:13:25,470 --> 00:13:29,310 browser plugin, that would aggregate content from all the 225 00:13:29,310 --> 00:13:37,620 accounts the user follows across the myriad of platforms. Ladies 226 00:13:37,620 --> 00:13:41,190 and gentlemen, that is pure genius. The trick is the trick 227 00:13:41,190 --> 00:13:45,600 is the microblogging systems never heard that word before. I 228 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:49,770 hope he coined it would have a standardized protocol that would 229 00:13:49,770 --> 00:13:52,800 allow a single plugin to translate the content into the 230 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,830 various formats suitable for different social media 231 00:13:55,830 --> 00:13:58,380 platforms. How much? 232 00:13:58,860 --> 00:14:03,240 How much VC money is he getting for this? Because that is a 233 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:07,470 question. So just every, every 20 years, just reinvent, 234 00:14:07,650 --> 00:14:11,670 reinvent RSS and slap, slap some VC money on it, and you're good. 235 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:16,110 And this is what I've come to realize that when you truly have 236 00:14:16,110 --> 00:14:21,300 something decentralized, it has certain properties and how how 237 00:14:21,300 --> 00:14:27,450 it behaves. Bitcoin is the best example. And you know it to a 238 00:14:27,450 --> 00:14:30,660 degree it's self healing, you know, it's it's a community, 239 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,560 they make things go or they don't make things go. And I 240 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:38,850 think after 1011 years, it's time to say that's pretty solid. 241 00:14:39,330 --> 00:14:44,160 Get podcasting, you know, now 1617 or some would say 21 years. 242 00:14:46,530 --> 00:14:48,300 35 135 years 243 00:14:49,650 --> 00:14:53,220 has displayed similar properties and you're seeing these, these 244 00:14:53,220 --> 00:14:57,660 efforts to to capture everything, and they're just not 245 00:14:57,660 --> 00:15:05,190 happening and Gosh, I was listening to pod land talking to 246 00:15:05,190 --> 00:15:10,650 some new hosting company who was invented text speech to text. Oh 247 00:15:10,650 --> 00:15:14,040 my God is going to be great and and I appreciate critical and he 248 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,790 said, so you're going to integrate with the podcasting 249 00:15:18,270 --> 00:15:21,660 2.0 with the pockets index namespace in the guys answers a 250 00:15:21,660 --> 00:15:24,690 class should have clipped it actually is classic, like, well, 251 00:15:24,690 --> 00:15:28,080 we believe in open. But this is really an end to end experience 252 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:32,700 and like, Oh my God, he's reinventing transcripts and 253 00:15:32,700 --> 00:15:36,120 searching those like, wow, and he just raised a bunch of money 254 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:42,480 for it. Well, by the way, a quick programming note to our 255 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:48,630 buzzsprout friends, the pod land podcast, James and Sam, they 256 00:15:48,660 --> 00:15:53,370 they started off with, I think, a geo targeted automatic 257 00:15:53,370 --> 00:15:56,490 insertion. You know, so it was kind of like, hey, here we are 258 00:15:56,490 --> 00:15:59,640 in the on the, you know, in the United States with our special 259 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,790 message. And they said, we're just testing this out. The 260 00:16:02,790 --> 00:16:07,290 problem is that through the transcript out of sync, 261 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:09,450 Oh, okay. 262 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:14,250 Now and i and i remember this being discussed on the mastodon, 263 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,420 so it was a full 30 seconds out of sync throughout the show as 264 00:16:18,420 --> 00:16:23,430 an offset. So for buzzsprout, I would say possibly, if someone's 265 00:16:23,430 --> 00:16:29,100 using your dynamic insertion tool, maybe you rewrite the SRT 266 00:16:29,100 --> 00:16:29,670 file. 267 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,720 I bet that's a bug because I think Tom, I think Tom said that 268 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:35,400 was the that was the intent. 269 00:16:35,790 --> 00:16:37,320 Okay, all right. Okay, good. 270 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:41,550 Yeah, that's gotta be a bug he needs once then once again, 271 00:16:41,550 --> 00:16:43,260 I've I've broken it. 272 00:16:45,930 --> 00:16:53,670 Yeah, that by the way, on that note, the mat the guys on the 273 00:16:53,670 --> 00:16:58,860 mastodon. I just wanted to say this are like, expert ninja 274 00:16:58,860 --> 00:17:00,090 level bug reporters. 275 00:17:00,990 --> 00:17:03,480 Notice that and they know how to report to. 276 00:17:03,870 --> 00:17:09,840 Yes, that's the good like, phone boy. Andy layman, Alex gates, 277 00:17:09,870 --> 00:17:14,970 john Spurlock all all those guys. Like they they notice a 278 00:17:14,970 --> 00:17:20,700 bug and they, they explain expertly explain it and give you 279 00:17:20,700 --> 00:17:23,820 exactly what you need. And they do. But here's the most critical 280 00:17:23,820 --> 00:17:29,460 part of good bug reporting is you, you follow up, you give the 281 00:17:29,460 --> 00:17:32,700 developer enough time to a reasonable amount of time to fix 282 00:17:32,700 --> 00:17:35,610 it, right. And then you circle back around and say, Hey, just 283 00:17:35,610 --> 00:17:38,970 let me know this is still a problem. Because programmers get 284 00:17:38,970 --> 00:17:42,660 busy. And everybody gets busy and you you forget about 285 00:17:42,660 --> 00:17:45,270 especially on a medium like mastodon where things can roll 286 00:17:45,270 --> 00:17:48,120 off. So they come back around, they're like, hey, just a heads 287 00:17:48,120 --> 00:17:52,590 up. Man, that is so freakin valuable. And it's not 288 00:17:52,590 --> 00:17:55,440 bothersome. It's not like you're bothering me or anybody else. 289 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,990 When you do that. It's super helpful. It's interesting, 290 00:17:57,990 --> 00:18:01,560 because I'm the intermediary with Tina, who has really 291 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,920 committed herself to pod friends. Please just pick one. 292 00:18:05,430 --> 00:18:06,300 And please, 293 00:18:06,540 --> 00:18:09,060 I need your help. You know, I need to know if this shit is 294 00:18:09,060 --> 00:18:13,530 working for you. Because Tina, she's incredibly smart is great 295 00:18:13,530 --> 00:18:16,740 with marketing. One thing we know if she says that she 296 00:18:16,740 --> 00:18:19,800 doesn't understand why something exists. It'll be very 297 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:24,540 successful. Case in point, ATMs. Why would anyone want to use the 298 00:18:24,540 --> 00:18:27,780 machine to get money? cell phones? Why would you want to 299 00:18:27,780 --> 00:18:33,060 have a phone in your pocket? And this is, you know, this. We know 300 00:18:33,060 --> 00:18:35,910 now it's like, if she really thinks it's it's questionable, 301 00:18:36,060 --> 00:18:39,990 then we got to pay attention to it. So she she finds bugs and 302 00:18:39,990 --> 00:18:43,710 things that I haven't found. And she'll say, Okay, well, this 303 00:18:43,710 --> 00:18:47,250 thing and you know, the display is still only moving up halfway, 304 00:18:47,250 --> 00:18:51,330 and it obfuscates this and, and then they'll tell Martin, and 305 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,600 then she'll appear in front of me. And you know, six hours 306 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:58,800 later, like this display thing is still broken. Like, yeah, so 307 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,070 I delay it. I'm like, it'll be a couple days. I'll follow up in a 308 00:19:02,070 --> 00:19:04,050 few days. But yeah, it's a 309 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,620 I'm not a believer in that whole idea of like, there's some 310 00:19:07,620 --> 00:19:11,640 people that are real Nazi about. You have to you have to format 311 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,830 it this way, where it's like, here's what I expected to 312 00:19:13,830 --> 00:19:16,800 happen. Here's what did happen. Here's blah, blah, blah. Don't 313 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:18,900 completely unnecessary 314 00:19:18,900 --> 00:19:21,690 if you speak the same language, and I could speak most of the 315 00:19:21,690 --> 00:19:25,680 language of, of what we're developing. Although I try not 316 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:26,700 to make guesses. 317 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,110 But one thing that one thing that irritates me about that 318 00:19:31,110 --> 00:19:35,700 format, is that here's what I you know, it's like, what, what 319 00:19:35,730 --> 00:19:38,340 here's what I'm here's what did happen, and here's what I 320 00:19:38,340 --> 00:19:42,570 expect. Like, you're you're describing the same thing twice. 321 00:19:43,050 --> 00:19:45,750 It's Yeah, exactly. Yes, yes. 322 00:19:45,780 --> 00:19:49,560 90% of the time in the what I expected to happen thing, I end 323 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,380 up just saying, like, you know, what's the point it's, here's 324 00:19:52,380 --> 00:19:54,690 what I did. Here's what I expected to happen. Here's what 325 00:19:54,690 --> 00:19:58,590 did happen. When I say what I did. When I get to the years 326 00:19:58,590 --> 00:20:01,230 what I expected to happen. I just said I expected it to work. 327 00:20:03,780 --> 00:20:07,560 I expected it not to do what it did. I mean, like, I'm not sure 328 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:08,520 what else to tell you here. 329 00:20:09,210 --> 00:20:12,450 Just just to get back to where we were with decentralization, 330 00:20:12,450 --> 00:20:19,500 this renewed discovery of RSS. You know, which, if we had to go 331 00:20:19,500 --> 00:20:23,520 back and count all the RSS is dead articles, you know, we and 332 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:29,310 we get $1. For each one, we'd be pretty rich. In combination with 333 00:20:29,310 --> 00:20:33,660 the D, platforming and cancel culture, the world is moving 334 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:38,580 away from the centralized systems. And, you know, I'm a 335 00:20:38,580 --> 00:20:43,710 broken record on this. But once it's really just education, and 336 00:20:43,710 --> 00:20:47,370 once people understand that, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, 337 00:20:47,370 --> 00:20:55,260 Google, Instagram, that that is not the internet and and when 338 00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:59,880 they are rejecting your content, or it's not to your liking it, 339 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:03,900 just consider it a bug route around it. And boom, there's the 340 00:21:03,900 --> 00:21:07,380 mastodons and most valuable website I go to every single 341 00:21:07,380 --> 00:21:12,420 day. You know, no one controls that. But us. We collectively 342 00:21:12,420 --> 00:21:15,480 control what goes on there. And we don't do anything. And it 343 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,930 seems to work out just fine. And there's no algorithm. So people 344 00:21:18,930 --> 00:21:22,080 are are going to start searching for these alternatives and your 345 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,980 blog post, which got some real good traction, about the value 346 00:21:25,980 --> 00:21:32,820 for value model in podcasting. You You explained it expertly. 347 00:21:33,300 --> 00:21:37,530 There has to be an alternative, not a You're a very good writer, 348 00:21:37,530 --> 00:21:39,060 Dave Jones. I'll say it again. 349 00:21:39,570 --> 00:21:40,860 Thanks. Damn, 350 00:21:40,860 --> 00:21:43,950 yeah. Are you like a great lover too? Because that's really gonna 351 00:21:43,950 --> 00:21:46,800 piss me off. You got? You got the whole package? 352 00:21:46,890 --> 00:21:52,680 Now? I'm really bad at that. I'm really bad at the I think the 353 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,190 most important thing in that blog post, I think maybe was 354 00:21:56,190 --> 00:22:01,500 that. And I'm not it wasn't explicitly stated what it was 355 00:22:01,500 --> 00:22:06,420 there's a marriage between the sort of mission one and mission 356 00:22:06,420 --> 00:22:09,990 two, they're not just two, they're not just two roles. 357 00:22:10,710 --> 00:22:14,760 Exactly. It's two, it's Yeah, they're connected. They are 358 00:22:14,820 --> 00:22:23,070 connected? Because you can't the goal overall, is, is free 359 00:22:23,100 --> 00:22:27,390 freedom period for you. Yes. And, and freedom and ownership 360 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:32,010 of, of your content. And in order to have true freedom and 361 00:22:32,010 --> 00:22:35,490 ownership of your content. You have to be I have to have a way 362 00:22:35,490 --> 00:22:40,530 to be independently rewarded for it and independently, an 363 00:22:40,530 --> 00:22:43,110 independent owner of the infrastructure that delivers it, 364 00:22:43,500 --> 00:22:46,890 yes, you can't have you can't have that you're not you're 365 00:22:46,890 --> 00:22:49,650 never gonna get to the end goal. Unless you have both of those 366 00:22:49,650 --> 00:22:53,490 things tied together. You're only halfway there if you just 367 00:22:53,490 --> 00:22:54,330 do one of them. 368 00:22:55,530 --> 00:22:57,330 Exactly, exactly. 369 00:22:57,810 --> 00:23:03,150 But I think that the advertising part is really not. I mean, yet, 370 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,210 you know, tried to make the point that advertiser, the 371 00:23:06,210 --> 00:23:13,170 advertising model is already bad. It's already dominant. 372 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,020 Like, is this what I mean? is like, there's so many ads in 373 00:23:16,020 --> 00:23:16,680 podcasting, as 374 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,230 well. So if I can just interject, cuz I'm not Yeah, I 375 00:23:19,230 --> 00:23:21,960 guess we're not anti advertising. In fact, if there 376 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,050 were no advertising, it'd be very sad. I wouldn't, I wouldn't 377 00:23:25,050 --> 00:23:28,860 know what to get even if I didn't need it. I mean, that 378 00:23:28,860 --> 00:23:33,840 that's a part of modern life, and I enjoy that. But the two 379 00:23:34,020 --> 00:23:38,280 aren't mutually exclusive. You can I mean, we, in essence, 380 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:42,390 advertise on a complete 100% value for value podcast, and no 381 00:23:42,390 --> 00:23:45,810 agenda show. we advertise shit all the time. But it's because 382 00:23:45,810 --> 00:23:48,990 we mean it. You know, I don't get paid for talking about 383 00:23:50,070 --> 00:23:54,840 lavender blossoms, or, you know, some winery or whatever it is 384 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,510 that advertising. Yeah, in a way it is, of course, we get free 385 00:23:57,510 --> 00:24:00,300 product, but we're just not we just say it like, Oh, this is 386 00:24:00,300 --> 00:24:02,520 great. If it's a ship product, we'll say well, no, we don't 387 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,120 talk about it. And people send in notes, and they advertise 388 00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:09,510 something that they're doing. It's a form of advertising. But 389 00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:14,130 it's not a programmatic. It's very direct, you know, it's like 390 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:18,360 the actual producer of the product is telling me about it. 391 00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:23,010 And I'm telling the actual consumer, there's no exchange, 392 00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:28,710 auction, split second determining of what fits best 393 00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:31,050 scanning of your profile, there's a whole machine that 394 00:24:31,050 --> 00:24:33,690 goes on in the background just to present you with an ad. 395 00:24:34,740 --> 00:24:37,140 C and that's what happens when you get into what we were 396 00:24:37,140 --> 00:24:40,950 talking about just a minute ago with with the algos and the 397 00:24:41,130 --> 00:24:43,740 because that's what the point is. The point of those 398 00:24:43,740 --> 00:24:49,950 algorithms is not to Okay, yes, part of it is to give you a 399 00:24:49,950 --> 00:24:52,800 quote unquote a better experience. But the large 400 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,640 majority of of that is to drive your attention towards an 401 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,020 advertisement. Exactly. 402 00:24:58,890 --> 00:25:05,280 That's or or drive you away from a potential advertiser that you 403 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,710 don't want to piss off. I think that's also in play. 404 00:25:08,219 --> 00:25:08,909 Yeah, true. 405 00:25:08,939 --> 00:25:12,869 Let's move this type of user over here. So that person could 406 00:25:12,869 --> 00:25:16,439 never accidentally comment on this thread, where we have this 407 00:25:16,439 --> 00:25:18,989 ad running, I'm sure that's in there's got to be I've run these 408 00:25:19,019 --> 00:25:20,099 kinds of companies. 409 00:25:20,430 --> 00:25:22,950 What you know, and what I was trying to say in this post was 410 00:25:22,950 --> 00:25:28,890 that we're not even at a billion dollars yet. No. And so we're, 411 00:25:29,220 --> 00:25:33,540 we're not even at a billion. And the advertising dominant model, 412 00:25:33,870 --> 00:25:39,780 the only, the only option it has in order to get more revenue out 413 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:44,040 out of the out of this thing is to put more ads in, right, but 414 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,920 you in so let's just say, let's take the upper end of that, 415 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,790 let's say that you have the debt number of 2.8 million podcasts 416 00:25:50,790 --> 00:25:55,350 out there, which is the highest number I've seen. Let's just say 417 00:25:55,350 --> 00:26:00,210 that is legit. Okay. I mean, the number of podcasts that actually 418 00:26:00,210 --> 00:26:04,680 have ads in it is nowhere near that. I mean, you're talking to, 419 00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:08,100 I don't know, how many of the total podcasts have ads in it, 420 00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:12,480 but it's probably, you know, 10% of that or less, yeah, so you're 421 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:17,070 gonna take 10% of the total market and cram more ads in it, 422 00:26:17,070 --> 00:26:19,260 because those are the only podcasts that actually have 423 00:26:19,260 --> 00:26:23,370 enough audience. Well, there's no twist, you're gonna get more 424 00:26:23,370 --> 00:26:27,180 ads, and same amount of podcast and the end, the next issue is 425 00:26:27,690 --> 00:26:31,350 just in general, for companies trying to capture these 426 00:26:31,350 --> 00:26:35,400 audiences and contain them inside a wall, the opposite of 427 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,150 freedom, where they determine what your choices Spotify, and I 428 00:26:39,150 --> 00:26:42,030 forget, I should look up the name of that other host, hosting 429 00:26:42,030 --> 00:26:42,540 company. 430 00:26:44,910 --> 00:26:48,630 They're actually going to have a hard time because the biggest 431 00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:54,300 podcasts are big because they're available universally. You know, 432 00:26:54,300 --> 00:26:57,720 there are a lot of people, then I always noticed this, we had a 433 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,380 problem with no agenda show dotnet our main website, there's 434 00:27:01,380 --> 00:27:05,220 a beautiful website, and there's some confusion about it, or 435 00:27:05,220 --> 00:27:08,610 something not updating. And actually Tim who's been doing 436 00:27:08,700 --> 00:27:11,760 he's been working on community chapters, community community 437 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:16,050 across the board stuff for for podcasting. 2.0. He's a 438 00:27:16,050 --> 00:27:19,140 brilliant guy. And so there's a miscommunication. I think I 439 00:27:19,140 --> 00:27:25,860 missed an email about how to log in to fix something anyway. I 440 00:27:25,860 --> 00:27:26,910 think is bad today. 441 00:27:27,749 --> 00:27:28,799 You're just losing it. 442 00:27:28,860 --> 00:27:34,320 I am. I was building up to this. I took the B 12. What was it? 443 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:34,500 What 444 00:27:34,500 --> 00:27:37,860 the fuck was I answering? is we're talking about cramming 445 00:27:37,860 --> 00:27:40,920 more ads into the same amount of podcast space. And you said, 446 00:27:42,570 --> 00:27:46,560 Yes. Oh my God, I've got to do something about this. So what I 447 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:51,660 learned is because there wasn't updating for five days, the most 448 00:27:51,660 --> 00:27:56,280 recent episode hadn't gone up. A lot of people listen to the show 449 00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:02,220 right there on the website, a lot. Not a hell of a lot. Go 450 00:28:02,220 --> 00:28:05,430 look at the no agenda, social calm to see how many people were 451 00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:08,850 stressed out by it. I never looked at your website just like 452 00:28:08,850 --> 00:28:13,680 yes, it updates automatically, you know, but yeah, and I have 453 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:18,030 to say Tina is also a web listener. She just sees a link 454 00:28:18,030 --> 00:28:20,580 clicks on something and whether it's a YouTube doesn't use a 455 00:28:20,580 --> 00:28:24,330 YouTube actual to do YouTube, but she's not. She's doing 456 00:28:24,330 --> 00:28:27,120 podcasts now. And I think what she likes the most is the 457 00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:31,110 organizational part. Yeah, no, and a lot of people don't really 458 00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:35,700 have experience. With podcast apps. It's always surprising to 459 00:28:35,700 --> 00:28:36,060 me. 460 00:28:36,750 --> 00:28:39,180 Yeah, I never listen to anything on the web. Really? Unless I'm 461 00:28:39,180 --> 00:28:43,620 trying to get a clip. You know? Yeah. And that just feels feels 462 00:28:43,620 --> 00:28:47,640 wrong. To sit there, like search through a website and find an 463 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:48,660 audio file and play it. 464 00:28:48,690 --> 00:28:52,200 What I saw emails from people who said, Oh, my God, are you 465 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,070 okay? Did you not have you couldn't do a show during this? 466 00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:59,610 No. COVID in Texas? No, no. Yeah, they've completely missed 467 00:28:59,610 --> 00:29:01,380 it because it hadn't updated on the website. 468 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,080 Oh, that's so weird. 469 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,260 Well, yeah, this is stuff that you don't think about, but you 470 00:29:07,260 --> 00:29:10,650 only learn when, you know, when you when it happens. You want 471 00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:13,620 anything in these two other disinformation clips? 472 00:29:15,930 --> 00:29:19,020 Well, yes, played out play, I think, because I may need to 473 00:29:19,020 --> 00:29:22,620 make a larger point play, to play to basically the underlying 474 00:29:22,620 --> 00:29:25,890 system that Trump used, posting things that were false posting 475 00:29:25,890 --> 00:29:28,860 things that make people either angry or upset to make them 476 00:29:28,860 --> 00:29:32,040 engage with the content. All that is basically still 477 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,370 happening, the system still in place just waiting to be used by 478 00:29:35,370 --> 00:29:38,250 other people. Here's john Donovan, a disinformation 479 00:29:38,250 --> 00:29:40,410 researcher I talked to from Harvard University, 480 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:45,720 we are in serious trouble. Just information has become an 481 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:51,330 industry which means the financial incentives and the 482 00:29:51,330 --> 00:29:58,860 political gains are now aligned and we will see more of this. 483 00:29:59,189 --> 00:30:02,519 See more of this Unless we do what what's the path out of 484 00:30:02,519 --> 00:30:02,999 this? 485 00:30:04,589 --> 00:30:05,459 Free dog? 486 00:30:05,490 --> 00:30:11,160 So I disagree with her. I disagree with her with her 487 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:16,260 premise that like, you know, the the monetary the financial gain 488 00:30:16,260 --> 00:30:21,630 and the political gain are aligned. Man, that's all that's 489 00:30:21,630 --> 00:30:27,510 always been the case. But the so what do you think is the answer 490 00:30:27,660 --> 00:30:30,420 to this? He said, Okay, so how do we get how do we get out of 491 00:30:30,420 --> 00:30:33,930 this? Well, by the way, which was funny, he said, you know, 492 00:30:34,140 --> 00:30:37,740 the the stuff that that Trump used the disinformation tactics 493 00:30:37,740 --> 00:30:40,620 that he used in social media, they're still there, and the 494 00:30:40,620 --> 00:30:44,760 algorithms are still in place. Waiting, waiting, waiting for 495 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,230 the next evil dictator 496 00:30:46,230 --> 00:30:47,460 to jump in hit. 497 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,940 What are you talking about? Waiting? It's already been used. 498 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,850 So okay, what they're sitting there idle, 499 00:30:53,850 --> 00:30:55,050 you know, not doing anything. 500 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:59,910 Right. So the question is, what dipshit answer will come. Is 501 00:30:59,910 --> 00:31:01,230 that what clip three is, 502 00:31:01,500 --> 00:31:05,100 yet? Well, I already listened to clip right. And I 503 00:31:05,100 --> 00:31:07,470 know how it will pose the question. Wait, hold on a 504 00:31:07,470 --> 00:31:07,830 second. Let 505 00:31:07,830 --> 00:31:11,010 me let me out. This is now a challenge I have right now I 506 00:31:11,010 --> 00:31:14,370 gotta listen to to basically, the underlying system that Trump 507 00:31:14,370 --> 00:31:17,160 used, posting things that were false posting things that make 508 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,340 people either angry or upset to make them engage with the 509 00:31:20,340 --> 00:31:23,820 content, all that is basically still happening, the system 510 00:31:23,820 --> 00:31:27,240 still in place just waiting to be used by other people. Here's 511 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,090 john Donovan, a disinformation researcher I talked to from 512 00:31:30,090 --> 00:31:31,200 Harvard University, 513 00:31:31,470 --> 00:31:36,510 we are in serious trouble. Just information has become an 514 00:31:36,510 --> 00:31:42,120 industry which means the financial incentives and the 515 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:49,620 political gains are now aligned. And we will see more of this. 516 00:31:49,980 --> 00:31:53,280 See more of this unless we do what what's the path out of 517 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:53,760 this? 518 00:31:53,850 --> 00:32:01,470 Okay. Well, I'm sure we need much tighter moderation and we 519 00:32:01,470 --> 00:32:06,270 need anonymity to be removed. And is that a good start? 520 00:32:07,770 --> 00:32:10,830 You get in there, but that that's, it's even worse than 521 00:32:10,830 --> 00:32:11,010 that. 522 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,340 I got to do the reveal. There we go. 523 00:32:14,699 --> 00:32:18,389 I don't want to be too bleak, Ari, but we're probably talking 524 00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:21,929 about something that's a generation or two from being 525 00:32:21,929 --> 00:32:24,329 resolved according to people I talked to over the last couple 526 00:32:24,329 --> 00:32:27,629 weeks. Whitney Phillips, a Syracuse researcher who just 527 00:32:27,629 --> 00:32:31,049 released a book on all this stuff told me it might take 15 528 00:32:31,049 --> 00:32:34,949 years to resolve this. Basically she says a redesign of the 529 00:32:34,949 --> 00:32:43,559 entire internet information just spread easily right now. I have 530 00:32:43,559 --> 00:32:46,139 to read you have to rebuild the entire 531 00:32:47,850 --> 00:32:52,140 Oh my goodness. She works at Syracuse if your kids go there 532 00:32:52,140 --> 00:32:53,130 pull them out 533 00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:58,260 that's the only way to fix it. You got to rebuild the entire 534 00:32:58,260 --> 00:32:59,280 internet information 535 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:05,160 flows to freely Wow Wow. That is that is the essence of the 536 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,360 internet. Information wants to be free. There are no secrets 537 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,900 only information you don't yet have the kidding me. That's the 538 00:33:12,900 --> 00:33:17,910 world redesign the internet. One Direction only. 539 00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:24,930 redesign the internet is code for for rebuild, like come up 540 00:33:24,930 --> 00:33:26,220 with RSS all over again. 541 00:33:26,249 --> 00:33:28,739 Yeah. Good luck with that. Oh, 542 00:33:29,100 --> 00:33:31,410 oh, I bet I did get a good ISO out of it. I saw one 543 00:33:31,590 --> 00:33:32,400 almost second. 544 00:33:35,010 --> 00:33:37,530 We are in serious trouble. 545 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,010 Yeah. Yes, we are. Yes, ma'am. 546 00:33:41,700 --> 00:33:43,140 We're in serious trouble. Well, 547 00:33:43,140 --> 00:33:46,380 not not at podcasting. 2.0 we're not in serious trouble. 548 00:33:46,770 --> 00:33:48,900 No, we're in serious good spirits over here. 549 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,640 Just tacking on to your your post, which is titled opening up 550 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,180 the value of podcasting. It's in the show notes. If you can find 551 00:33:57,180 --> 00:34:02,730 it blog dot podcast index.org. I was listening to a journalist 552 00:34:02,730 --> 00:34:05,580 interpretation of the value for value in the journalist was 553 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,940 thought it was an unfair system. And we actually touched on this 554 00:34:08,940 --> 00:34:12,120 in the last episode, that shorter shows we get 555 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:17,760 shortchanged. And and I thought to myself, Well, okay, so we 556 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:22,470 need to re explain the value for value model, and the way it will 557 00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:28,470 be integrated. And I think the breeze podcast app that's coming 558 00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:31,920 we've seen some screenshots of some stuff. They've got the 559 00:34:32,010 --> 00:34:38,130 boost amount and the per minute streaming SATs displayed right 560 00:34:38,130 --> 00:34:43,830 on the front. And the whole idea is, is that you can it's 561 00:34:43,830 --> 00:34:46,440 actually it's analogous to in Bitcoin people talk about time 562 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,260 preference, time value preference, like How high do you 563 00:34:49,260 --> 00:34:52,770 value your time versus what you expect on return. If you just 564 00:34:52,770 --> 00:34:55,740 leave if you put your turn your feet, your cup bucks into 565 00:34:55,740 --> 00:35:00,840 bitcoin, but in a way, it's kind of the same a bit in reverse If 566 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:06,450 you really, really enjoy the content, you are going to 567 00:35:06,450 --> 00:35:12,510 gravitate automatically towards giving more per minute or, or 568 00:35:13,410 --> 00:35:18,510 multiple boosts. And this is the value, the listener controls all 569 00:35:18,510 --> 00:35:21,810 of that feedback, it just isn't quite apparent yet in our one 570 00:35:21,810 --> 00:35:27,150 implementation on Sphinx, but I was I was thinking about this, I 571 00:35:27,150 --> 00:35:30,180 thought, you know, this is the one place we we kind of do need 572 00:35:30,180 --> 00:35:34,680 an algorithm. And, and it would do multiple things in my mind. 573 00:35:34,860 --> 00:35:42,270 One is, we need to show value for the old world, we need to 574 00:35:42,270 --> 00:35:47,100 have a toggle, or show dollar amount, or euro amount, or 575 00:35:47,100 --> 00:35:50,880 whatever it is, underneath the satoshis is very hard for you, 576 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,210 if you've been in it for a while. He's like, around 50,000. 577 00:35:54,210 --> 00:35:59,220 So 2000 satoshis is $1. But even it gets confusing for everybody 578 00:35:59,220 --> 00:36:02,340 and I enjoy a wallet, that'll show me both one will be bigger 579 00:36:02,340 --> 00:36:07,260 than the other. So you can kind of see that too. I think a value 580 00:36:07,260 --> 00:36:12,510 calculator may be handy. Like your your you will be supporting 581 00:36:12,510 --> 00:36:15,840 this show, if you listen to the whole thing with you know, $10 582 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:20,820 or $3, or $1, whatever it is. So So and like that, and and some 583 00:36:20,820 --> 00:36:23,580 things that can prompt you that say, Hey, this is a much shorter 584 00:36:23,580 --> 00:36:28,380 show, you're, you're at 10 satoshis per minute, is it time 585 00:36:28,380 --> 00:36:31,950 to re evaluate how much you value this show. Now, on the 586 00:36:31,950 --> 00:36:35,580 other hand, some shows that are five minutes are daily, 587 00:36:35,970 --> 00:36:39,090 collectively, it's a much longer show. I mean, so I guess the 588 00:36:39,090 --> 00:36:42,630 point I'm trying to get to is, let's not get hung up on the on 589 00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:46,470 the time. But you know, most apps are not even spitting out 590 00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:50,730 per minute because it makes more sense to, to aggregate it and 591 00:36:50,730 --> 00:36:54,090 send them one payment, there's less network fees, etc. But the 592 00:36:54,090 --> 00:36:59,100 concept is really the time you spend but how much you value 593 00:36:59,100 --> 00:37:01,620 that and that I think is the point that is hard to get 594 00:37:01,620 --> 00:37:05,820 across. Because people have so little value for the 595 00:37:05,820 --> 00:37:10,170 monetization systems in media today. It's like one ad I don't 596 00:37:10,170 --> 00:37:14,520 give a shit. Like it's just an annoyance that has to be there. 597 00:37:15,300 --> 00:37:19,380 You know, whereas I'm like, isn't it? If I listened to Tales 598 00:37:19,380 --> 00:37:22,920 from the Crypt, I love Marty bent. And I remember when we 599 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,590 were first starting out like what is this crazy nutjob over 600 00:37:25,590 --> 00:37:32,310 there with tfcc he's done some paywall podcast, like, ever, but 601 00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:38,250 now I'm hooked Who? And, and but he starts off it's between three 602 00:37:38,250 --> 00:37:40,920 and five minutes of ads. Now I've heard most of them, they 603 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,640 change. And there's some interesting services. But I do 604 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:49,350 find myself bopping through, you know? Yeah. And and so I'm glad 605 00:37:49,350 --> 00:37:55,110 that but he has and he's he's all over Sphynx chats. I wonder 606 00:37:55,110 --> 00:37:57,930 how many people listen to how that's doing for him. 607 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,090 I think that's pretty big. That 608 00:38:00,750 --> 00:38:03,330 podcast is a huge audience. I just don't know how many. How 609 00:38:03,330 --> 00:38:04,770 many are on chat. 610 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,890 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I get the impression that quite a 611 00:38:07,890 --> 00:38:10,500 few. Yeah. And because you know, you've always got lurkers that 612 00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:12,300 are not active. But wait a minute. 613 00:38:12,450 --> 00:38:16,230 Can I not see who the members are? If I tap on the tribe? And 614 00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:19,380 I don't know, can you? If you can, that'd be neat. Well, I 615 00:38:19,380 --> 00:38:21,840 know you can do it. If you own the tribe. I don't know if you 616 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,610 can do it. I don't 617 00:38:23,610 --> 00:38:25,410 know. I don't think you can No, 618 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:26,550 no, no, no, no. 619 00:38:27,059 --> 00:38:32,759 No. So, you know, by the way, listening to Cridland explain 620 00:38:32,759 --> 00:38:36,479 this. Explain what value the value tag and how it works is 621 00:38:37,709 --> 00:38:39,929 quite entertaining. Yeah. 622 00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:43,050 Well, and that was that was you know, he doesn't believe Bitcoin 623 00:38:43,050 --> 00:38:44,730 is real, which is fine. But 624 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,390 it says blockchain six times in a row Satoshi Nakamoto appears. 625 00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:48,630 And 626 00:38:50,190 --> 00:38:55,260 by the way, I FPS is not blockchain. Yeah. It Yeah. Yeah. 627 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,200 If you read a little bit further down the Wikipedia entry, you'll 628 00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:59,040 see what it means. 629 00:38:59,310 --> 00:39:04,170 But, but I think the, you know, like, that is a great idea. 630 00:39:04,170 --> 00:39:07,950 Because it takes there's a bunch of different UI concepts there 631 00:39:07,950 --> 00:39:10,890 that you could do to enhance this. Like, once you get those 632 00:39:10,890 --> 00:39:14,430 juices flowing like you what you're just saying, if you have 633 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:21,240 value in like, you know, Fiat, is sitting there next to an 634 00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:24,660 episode, it's like, well, if right into this episode, this is 635 00:39:24,660 --> 00:39:28,020 what it's gonna cost. Yeah. But it's really not gonna I mean, 636 00:39:28,020 --> 00:39:30,840 you could listen to it for free, but it's like, it's more like, 637 00:39:30,930 --> 00:39:33,720 here's how much you're gonna donate to this. Yes, you're 638 00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:35,160 constantly changing. Like, 639 00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:37,710 here's the value, we just a value. Here's the value you're 640 00:39:37,710 --> 00:39:40,950 sending back. Here's how, here's how much you value that here's 641 00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:44,400 how much you valued. This podcast so far is another great 642 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,810 one. What have I done so far for this podcast? You know, and why 643 00:39:48,810 --> 00:39:52,470 not have some statistics like, what have I boosted the most I 644 00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:54,750 mean, there's a lot of different things that you can see you 645 00:39:54,750 --> 00:39:58,410 know, for your own behavior, and your own control over over how 646 00:39:58,410 --> 00:40:02,580 you spend your your time. And your value. There's so many cool 647 00:40:02,580 --> 00:40:03,780 things that we can do. 648 00:40:04,859 --> 00:40:09,209 Yeah, what about this, as you're listening to the podcast to that 649 00:40:09,209 --> 00:40:14,429 show that episode, there's an UP DOWN ARROW when you can just on 650 00:40:14,429 --> 00:40:16,439 the right there on the screen, it's like, oh, I need to, like 651 00:40:16,469 --> 00:40:19,769 use that you're moving your slider up as the you know, as 652 00:40:19,769 --> 00:40:22,439 your, you're like, Man, this is such a good episode, and you can 653 00:40:22,439 --> 00:40:27,209 boost or you can just dismiss raise your permitted amount, 654 00:40:27,300 --> 00:40:31,230 I think you and I've learned so over the decade or so that very 655 00:40:31,230 --> 00:40:35,220 often things that are set a certain way, and this is how 656 00:40:35,220 --> 00:40:38,700 it's done. In this case, paying for something is always 657 00:40:38,730 --> 00:40:42,330 obfuscated, where many times if you reverse whatever has been 658 00:40:42,330 --> 00:40:46,500 hidden under the layers for decades, and you pop it to the 659 00:40:46,500 --> 00:40:51,870 front. It's exciting. Yeah. So you have this the value slider 660 00:40:51,870 --> 00:40:54,300 and all this stuff, which is hidden inside Sphinx chat 661 00:40:54,300 --> 00:40:58,410 preferences. You know, I see it on the on the breeze demo, like, 662 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,980 Oh, that makes so much sense. I can change it right there on the 663 00:41:01,980 --> 00:41:07,380 fly while I'm listening. You know? And, yes, anyway, also, 664 00:41:07,410 --> 00:41:11,520 well, you know, I missed pod dad in pod station last night when I 665 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:17,100 was testing the Ellen pay stuff, or for Andy. I was I was 666 00:41:17,100 --> 00:41:20,250 listening to pot station. And I was sitting there listening, 667 00:41:20,250 --> 00:41:22,590 watching. I'm watching my Elon pay wallet and everything's 668 00:41:22,590 --> 00:41:26,880 moving. SATs are flowing. I'm like, cool. And then and I like 669 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,970 just had this instinct to reach out and do a boost. And then 670 00:41:29,970 --> 00:41:30,180 there's, 671 00:41:30,329 --> 00:41:35,609 there's no yeah, I felt I know. It's totally addictive. Speaking 672 00:41:35,609 --> 00:41:39,149 of. Oh, yeah. boosting Oh my god, it feels so good when you 673 00:41:39,149 --> 00:41:40,229 do it. But 674 00:41:42,690 --> 00:41:47,820 boosting is it boosting is the current. It's this is stupid, 675 00:41:47,820 --> 00:41:51,780 cuz it's all about currency. But this thing quickly becomes the 676 00:41:51,780 --> 00:41:58,920 currency of this whole thing. It's, it's a social feeding 677 00:41:59,010 --> 00:42:03,690 mechanism. Where because like if you go on Spanx, you can just 678 00:42:03,690 --> 00:42:07,800 drop into a tribe on there and see it is what you see is a 679 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,430 bunch of back and forth boosting Yeah, a lot of trash don't even 680 00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:16,080 have much actual chat going on in there. They just have this 681 00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:19,860 weird back and forth, train of boost things. And everybody just 682 00:42:19,860 --> 00:42:21,300 kind of knows what it means. 683 00:42:21,390 --> 00:42:26,670 I know I was in Tales from the Crypt and I boosted my 404 SATs. 684 00:42:27,090 --> 00:42:30,600 And about 30 minutes later I get a notification. Marty's boosted 685 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,870 a toe eight on the on the weekend. They 686 00:42:33,870 --> 00:42:34,470 doubled up but 687 00:42:35,370 --> 00:42:38,730 yeah, it's it's really it. I like your toss and 50 cents 688 00:42:38,730 --> 00:42:43,080 around. You know, it's it's not much when it's a couple of bros 689 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:47,190 hanging out. But when you got 1000 people started to get 690 00:42:47,250 --> 00:42:48,240 pretty interesting. 691 00:42:48,690 --> 00:42:52,560 Yeah. See, that's the thing is is, you know, the Fiat would be 692 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,130 nice to see. But I don't I don't really even think about that 693 00:42:56,130 --> 00:43:00,570 this goes back to well, we have an education path. Remember, 694 00:43:00,570 --> 00:43:04,350 we've got people who don't even use podcast apps, they use the 695 00:43:04,350 --> 00:43:08,460 web browser. And when I hear someone struggling, even with 696 00:43:08,460 --> 00:43:12,930 the name, it's satoshis, not satoshis. Yeah, because that's 697 00:43:12,930 --> 00:43:20,400 kind of a, you know, just anglicization this is wrong. You 698 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:25,410 know, and people don't understand the value. It would 699 00:43:25,410 --> 00:43:28,200 be handy to have that there. I think this has been proven in 700 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,530 wallets for many years that people do want to have that 701 00:43:31,530 --> 00:43:34,080 quick conversion, at least within reach. 702 00:43:34,469 --> 00:43:38,039 Yeah, but it goes back to grit to Gresham's law, that idea that 703 00:43:38,129 --> 00:43:41,969 bad money drives out good. So you know, you expect you would 704 00:43:41,969 --> 00:43:45,839 expect, and this is what you pick up from the from the sort 705 00:43:45,839 --> 00:43:49,379 of culture around Bitcoin and the news and that kind of thing. 706 00:43:49,769 --> 00:43:54,629 And you would expect that people with Bitcoin are stingy, they 707 00:43:54,629 --> 00:43:57,359 don't want to spend it, because they consider this to be good 708 00:43:57,359 --> 00:44:01,589 quality. This is quality money, versus Fiat paper money, which 709 00:44:01,589 --> 00:44:03,809 is like, you know, the garbage Well, 710 00:44:03,809 --> 00:44:08,279 it's an extension of the entire value system. The fact that you 711 00:44:08,279 --> 00:44:13,109 have Bitcoin means you already if you have it today, before all 712 00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:19,019 this you understand value. And what what's what spending that 713 00:44:19,019 --> 00:44:24,509 today could mean two years from now. So yes, and I think most 714 00:44:24,569 --> 00:44:26,819 bitcoiners are very philanthropic actually. 715 00:44:27,090 --> 00:44:30,300 See, that's what I'm getting at. Because you have that whole I 716 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,050 didn't get your Did you don't want to spend your good quality 717 00:44:34,050 --> 00:44:37,950 money. But once you get into an ecosystem where, where that's 718 00:44:38,730 --> 00:44:42,750 where everybody is spending in that currency that Gresham's law 719 00:44:42,750 --> 00:44:45,600 falls away, and it doesn't apply anymore, right. So now, now, 720 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,720 people are free to throw their throwing SATs around all over 721 00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:51,810 the place, because it's not because they they just don't 722 00:44:51,810 --> 00:44:55,680 want to train them out for a bus for, you know, for Fiat. But as 723 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,440 long as everything's in the system, like keeping it down 724 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,910 home cars type of thing. That's things change, like the whole 725 00:45:02,910 --> 00:45:06,330 dynamic changes, I guess. And so you, I feel a whole lot freer 726 00:45:06,540 --> 00:45:09,810 to, you know, I don't even think about how much it cost, you 727 00:45:09,810 --> 00:45:13,020 know, I mean, if I see if I see a six digit sad, I mean, of 728 00:45:13,020 --> 00:45:15,240 course, I'm gonna be like, Well, wait, let me think about this. 729 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,360 But I mean, you know, somebody, I'll boost somebody 1000 status, 730 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,900 it doesn't bother me. I mean, I mean, it may should maybe it 731 00:45:21,900 --> 00:45:24,210 should bother me. I don't even know how much I spent on 732 00:45:24,210 --> 00:45:27,390 podcasts the last month, but I don't think about it anymore, I 733 00:45:27,390 --> 00:45:28,530 guess is what I'm trying to say. 734 00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:35,069 Yeah. And I'm with you. I mean, I put 100 bucks into my voltage 735 00:45:35,069 --> 00:45:39,509 podcaster node, which I just go atoms podcaster podcast wallets 736 00:45:39,509 --> 00:45:45,389 as incoming and outgoing. And I never look at it. I mean, I only 737 00:45:45,389 --> 00:45:49,709 look at what's come in just to see trends, etc. And I've spent 738 00:45:49,739 --> 00:45:53,369 time I don't know, I mean, all that if there's, if there's a 739 00:45:53,369 --> 00:45:56,309 podcast I can listen to on either pod station or on Sphinx, 740 00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:59,999 I'll do it. And that that's my thing is like, I listened to 741 00:45:59,999 --> 00:46:03,239 everything on pod friend, but then I've shit man. If I'm gonna 742 00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,369 listen to Cridland, then I'm going to listen to Sphinx. I'm 743 00:46:05,369 --> 00:46:11,219 going to listen to orange pill. I'm going to listen in. In 744 00:46:11,219 --> 00:46:14,579 Sphinx or, actually pod station, because I usually open the 745 00:46:14,579 --> 00:46:19,889 studio. Just to moan about Elon pay. So this is big news. 746 00:46:19,889 --> 00:46:25,619 Because Tim over there at Elon pay. He's now enabled. Key send 747 00:46:25,619 --> 00:46:28,379 receive on your Elon pay wallet, correct? 748 00:46:29,159 --> 00:46:32,189 Yeah, we tested it last night. So we're, we're just fine. 749 00:46:32,220 --> 00:46:35,370 How does this work? And how does it work in regard to some extra 750 00:46:35,370 --> 00:46:38,790 parameters that need to be in the feed? Is that something 751 00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:41,790 that's in the database? How does all that work? Oh, yeah, 752 00:46:41,820 --> 00:46:45,240 we want to do some namespace stuff. Well, technically 753 00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:45,870 namespace. 754 00:46:46,679 --> 00:46:51,749 Okay, now it's time for some hot name states on attractive when 755 00:46:51,749 --> 00:46:51,869 you 756 00:46:51,869 --> 00:46:53,279 beg for a Dave Jones. 757 00:46:54,869 --> 00:46:57,059 I'm not ashamed. Another shame a better 758 00:47:00,090 --> 00:47:06,150 name, Jennifer. See? Yeah, so Ellen pay has inbounds Kissin, 759 00:47:06,150 --> 00:47:10,230 but it needs it needs a route around around route parameter. 760 00:47:10,260 --> 00:47:16,590 Yeah. And so the parameter is key value, key value pair. And 761 00:47:16,590 --> 00:47:21,210 it's a it's something that goes into the to the lightning 762 00:47:21,210 --> 00:47:25,710 transaction. So the way Tim's Tim's is, it's got a key as 763 00:47:25,710 --> 00:47:31,620 696969. And then the value is the wallet address. And so you 764 00:47:31,620 --> 00:47:37,320 put that into the new custom key and custom value parameters that 765 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:41,760 go in the value recipient tag. And that can act as a routing 766 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:47,340 hint that will let the receiving end know how to get to that if 767 00:47:47,340 --> 00:47:49,980 they're using something like Tim is with like a virtual wallet 768 00:47:49,980 --> 00:47:50,430 system. 769 00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:53,670 So we're poked, so we're pulling that out of the index, then, 770 00:47:54,389 --> 00:47:57,119 yeah, put that into the index the other day, it was not in 771 00:47:57,119 --> 00:48:00,029 there. I had written up the spec before I implemented it in the 772 00:48:00,029 --> 00:48:03,299 back. Okay, but but now it is in there. So that's what we were 773 00:48:03,299 --> 00:48:04,199 testing last night. 774 00:48:04,530 --> 00:48:09,270 It is my belief, I think, and I don't know. And this is a 775 00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:12,660 question for Tim or anybody. I know that I've had an Ellen 776 00:48:12,660 --> 00:48:17,550 bits, wallet, I could connect from an app to my Ellen bits 777 00:48:17,550 --> 00:48:22,260 wallet. Would it technically be possible for me to connect to my 778 00:48:22,260 --> 00:48:25,500 Ellen pay wallet with an app as well? 779 00:48:25,679 --> 00:48:26,849 For instance, like zap, 780 00:48:27,090 --> 00:48:34,590 zap? I think I'm gonna look at it right now. Zap. I have shits 781 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:35,520 messed up now. 782 00:48:37,110 --> 00:48:37,890 Here we go. 783 00:48:39,870 --> 00:48:44,100 Yeah, I think this is an Elon. Well, I thought I had an Elon 784 00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:48,840 bits. wallet somewhere. Maybe it was, hey, you may know Elon 785 00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,530 bits. That's why Elon bits is very similar, similar structure 786 00:48:52,530 --> 00:48:56,850 with a, you know, one node, virtual addresses. Touch just 787 00:48:56,850 --> 00:49:00,960 wondering if, okay, if we can, I mean, it's so beautiful. It's 788 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,260 such a beautiful solution. I mean, it's not you know, it's 789 00:49:05,550 --> 00:49:08,250 you don't have custody of everything you should but just 790 00:49:08,250 --> 00:49:11,280 to get up and started. It's really great if we can if we can 791 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:17,130 set that up and also for like, I set up. Neal Jones the clip 792 00:49:17,130 --> 00:49:20,760 custodian for no agenda, thank you actually put his his note in 793 00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:25,230 the value block for no agenda. And but I set him up on Spanx. 794 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:30,690 But you know, which, you know, there's easier ways to get 795 00:49:30,690 --> 00:49:33,960 someone set up to receive key send payments, if they're, no, 796 00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,870 maybe they don't need a whole big node solution. They just 797 00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:39,480 want to receive stuff and be able to send it somewhere else 798 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:40,440 or do something with it. 799 00:49:40,829 --> 00:49:43,349 Did that work for him? Is he getting set? Yeah, 800 00:49:43,380 --> 00:49:49,200 yeah. He said he already had 250 I think last night, he sent me a 801 00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:53,910 message. So it was it was working. I love that. Yeah. So 802 00:49:53,940 --> 00:49:56,880 but Ellen pay, could that also be integrated into podcaster? 803 00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:57,780 wallet.com. 804 00:49:58,530 --> 00:50:01,770 Yeah, yeah. I don't see why. It would just be another 805 00:50:01,770 --> 00:50:04,920 integration just like we do with voltages. Thanks. 806 00:50:05,010 --> 00:50:06,780 Okay, do we need to talk to Tim about that? 807 00:50:07,590 --> 00:50:10,230 Yeah, now that we get to now that we have that key in there, 808 00:50:10,260 --> 00:50:14,640 we do it. And it's a it's a key value pair that also Sphynx 809 00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,350 needed anyway, because they're doing Private Channel 810 00:50:16,349 --> 00:50:18,329 doing that, too. Yeah. 811 00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,300 So that that thing had to be in there. So that's it should be 812 00:50:21,300 --> 00:50:23,640 good to go. Now on the on the index side. 813 00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:31,379 Ryan Gentry who loves hearing his name on this show. By the 814 00:50:31,379 --> 00:50:34,529 way, thanks for the Twitter love. Brian. He tweeted your 815 00:50:34,589 --> 00:50:35,909 your article. Oh, 816 00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:37,470 yeah, I appreciated that. Yeah. 817 00:50:38,130 --> 00:50:41,790 If he is getting me in touch with the Emerald, guys. 818 00:50:42,780 --> 00:50:45,300 I don't know anything that's like, basically a competitor to 819 00:50:45,300 --> 00:50:46,320 raspy Blitz, right? 820 00:50:47,010 --> 00:50:51,720 He says, Do you want to chat with the Emerald guys, I know 821 00:50:51,720 --> 00:50:54,720 you're on the raspy Blitz, but they're shooting for a bit more 822 00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:58,170 noob friendly version, maybe more palatable for the broader 823 00:50:58,170 --> 00:51:01,530 podcaster ecosystem. And, of course, we want everybody in 824 00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:06,000 whatever I want every single node type provider on podcast or 825 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:10,620 wallet calm and be great if we can show benefits, whatever. I 826 00:51:10,620 --> 00:51:15,060 know that would make sense should probably talk about this. 827 00:51:15,180 --> 00:51:19,680 Since we're in that realm. Brees has put together a little, 828 00:51:20,190 --> 00:51:25,590 little mini JSON thing that they're going to send along with 829 00:51:25,590 --> 00:51:28,380 every key send for statistics. 830 00:51:29,250 --> 00:51:30,600 Oh, really? I didn't know that. That. 831 00:51:31,020 --> 00:51:32,220 You didn't get the email. 832 00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:35,429 You did? No. 833 00:51:35,489 --> 00:51:40,409 You didn't read the email, man. You're on drugs. Oh, okay. Yeah, 834 00:51:40,439 --> 00:51:44,099 no. Oh, gee, that's interesting. Because I think it's probably 835 00:51:44,099 --> 00:51:46,259 something we should let everybody know about. Let me 836 00:51:46,259 --> 00:51:48,299 just see where I have. I guess 837 00:51:48,300 --> 00:51:49,950 I just totally missed that. No, 838 00:51:49,949 --> 00:51:52,709 that's okay. Here it is. I think I've got it. 839 00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,050 Right. Not this one. 840 00:52:00,659 --> 00:52:03,329 Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, we're like a blur. Yeah, no, 841 00:52:03,329 --> 00:52:04,169 I know. I know. I 842 00:52:04,170 --> 00:52:11,370 know. I know. Jeez, I'm not quite sure where this was now 843 00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,470 off to go. Wait means it. 844 00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:16,470 Didn't his last response to this? 845 00:52:16,500 --> 00:52:17,940 Yeah. Yeah. Okay. 846 00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,040 Let me just see, Roy. 847 00:52:21,329 --> 00:52:23,099 Let you know, though, here we go. 848 00:52:23,219 --> 00:52:29,129 Here we go. Here it is. Here it is, here it is. So this is 849 00:52:29,129 --> 00:52:31,859 something that they're working on implementing this send custom 850 00:52:31,859 --> 00:52:36,119 podcast related metadata on each payment that looks like this for 851 00:52:36,119 --> 00:52:39,839 analytics. And there's and I recognize the JSON brackets. So 852 00:52:39,839 --> 00:52:46,409 I know what's going on here. The tags are podcast title, Episode, 853 00:52:46,409 --> 00:52:50,939 title action, with a option between stream or boost, and 854 00:52:50,939 --> 00:52:57,089 then action time. Neat. And that he is setting up with I think 855 00:52:57,089 --> 00:53:01,409 voltage so that they can provide a little dashboard, where you 856 00:53:01,409 --> 00:53:05,129 have some stats, how cool is that man? And so I'm looking at 857 00:53:05,129 --> 00:53:08,579 that I'm saying, well, we need to expand that. I mean, there's 858 00:53:08,579 --> 00:53:12,929 more stuff in there. I mean, I would love to be able to add my 859 00:53:12,929 --> 00:53:16,979 name or my alias, they just payments from Adam. Yeah, you 860 00:53:16,979 --> 00:53:22,649 know, and stuff like that little message, whatever. And by the 861 00:53:22,649 --> 00:53:24,959 way, none of that is free. You know, eventually you get these 862 00:53:24,959 --> 00:53:27,719 sizes big and more routing comes through is all kinds of 863 00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,989 interesting things that take place, but I love it. This to me 864 00:53:30,989 --> 00:53:34,529 is makes so much sense. You know, immediately you're giving 865 00:53:34,529 --> 00:53:38,909 people some some statistics and a way to look at what's going 866 00:53:38,909 --> 00:53:39,239 on. 867 00:53:40,230 --> 00:53:42,960 That solves the problem of not knowing who it comes from, to, 868 00:53:43,830 --> 00:53:46,050 you know if you can add that data and add it in. Yeah, 869 00:53:46,050 --> 00:53:49,290 so that's so you take a look at that email again. 870 00:53:49,829 --> 00:53:52,679 Here's what I would love. Okay, here's what i would love on the 871 00:53:52,679 --> 00:53:58,199 boost side. I would love to have on a mobile app. I would love to 872 00:53:58,199 --> 00:54:03,269 be able to long press the boost button and have a customizable 873 00:54:03,269 --> 00:54:05,369 amount. Nice. So you can 874 00:54:05,699 --> 00:54:07,559 long press and then slide up or down. 875 00:54:08,010 --> 00:54:10,980 Yeah, exactly. Long press it pops up a dialog and you can 876 00:54:10,980 --> 00:54:16,560 just you can get it so easy. So say I want to give a one time I 877 00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,620 want to give a one time 10 10,000 said right drop on 878 00:54:19,620 --> 00:54:27,240 this thing. But yeah. namespace stuff. Did you see that? cup to 879 00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:31,080 two things. captivate added? Yes, 880 00:54:31,110 --> 00:54:33,330 yes. They added what they add transcripts. 881 00:54:33,659 --> 00:54:38,039 Yeah, transcripts. And that's their first add. We're gonna 882 00:54:38,039 --> 00:54:39,659 have them on the show in April. 883 00:54:39,690 --> 00:54:42,750 Yes, I saw that. Nice. Nice, nice. Yes, this is good. 884 00:54:42,780 --> 00:54:44,970 Congratulations. And go ahead. 885 00:54:45,329 --> 00:54:49,889 Yeah, and also blueberry. they've released the beta for 886 00:54:49,889 --> 00:54:53,189 their powerpress plugin that has all the tags in it, 887 00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:53,910 all of them. 888 00:54:54,359 --> 00:54:59,069 I think it's got the first phase. I don't remember. Let me 889 00:54:59,069 --> 00:55:00,959 see if I can look and see Man, I just got 890 00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,020 a guy just got to get the WordPress thing and just make my 891 00:55:04,020 --> 00:55:06,030 own feet. I'm getting frustrated. 892 00:55:06,929 --> 00:55:11,249 Well, let's see. Let me look. Here's Mike's message to me that 893 00:55:11,249 --> 00:55:16,619 says they got locked transcript chapters funding location to 894 00:55:16,619 --> 00:55:20,699 start with is what he said. He said more coming. Nice a lot, a 895 00:55:20,699 --> 00:55:23,429 lot of transcript chapters funding and location, 896 00:55:23,460 --> 00:55:27,120 which is bad. Which brings us to certification. 897 00:55:28,530 --> 00:55:30,030 Yes, you will be audited. 898 00:55:30,659 --> 00:55:37,229 This is so hilarious. When I say when I say give people a badge, 899 00:55:37,709 --> 00:55:41,189 you know, for certification, your podcasting 2.0 certified. 900 00:55:41,699 --> 00:55:46,079 To me. That's like the top 5% of the internet. If you remember 901 00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:48,299 that back in the in the late 90s. 902 00:55:48,659 --> 00:55:51,599 We're at the original version of the name Alexa. Right? 903 00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:57,600 Who Yeah. Oh, is that what it could be? Yeah, the Alexa 904 00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,100 top 100 or whatever? 905 00:55:59,250 --> 00:56:04,320 Well, the there was first a guy, just a guy who had this top 5% 906 00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,860 of the internet. And he would send people emails and and of 907 00:56:07,860 --> 00:56:10,200 course, he said, paste this code on your website, which was a 908 00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,830 link back to his website. Yeah, that was the genius part of it. 909 00:56:13,830 --> 00:56:17,520 And I got calls from Reebok from the Chief barkos. Whoa, we got 910 00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:21,930 an email. We're top 5% of the internet. Like, we need to put 911 00:56:21,930 --> 00:56:25,890 that badge on there right away. So the whole idea is a badge 912 00:56:25,890 --> 00:56:29,610 that just links back to us. To me if you're on the new podcast 913 00:56:29,610 --> 00:56:33,750 apps.com or the podcasts index.org slash apps page here. 914 00:56:33,750 --> 00:56:35,100 2.0. Certified? 915 00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:40,109 Yeah, you personally, I certified you personally. 916 00:56:40,170 --> 00:56:43,560 Yes, that's what it is. You're on that list. You're certified. 917 00:56:43,830 --> 00:56:48,330 We just need to have really, it may be that list that list that 918 00:56:48,330 --> 00:56:53,250 page needs to? Ooh, I don't know. We got to work on on the 919 00:56:53,250 --> 00:56:56,820 communication. I know, Eric. Eric is thinking about different 920 00:56:56,820 --> 00:56:59,760 paths for people to take when they get to podcast. index.org. 921 00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,960 Yeah, we do the listener side developer side, a podcaster. 922 00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,690 side. But that's really it. And we're not going to go certify 923 00:57:06,690 --> 00:57:09,510 people. We're not going to verify it. Hey, does your shit 924 00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:11,880 work in my app? Oh, congratulations. Hey, does your 925 00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:13,860 app work with this shit? Congratulations. 926 00:57:14,429 --> 00:57:16,559 Is that the is that the white paper you just laid out? 927 00:57:16,590 --> 00:57:20,190 Yes. Does your shit work here? Just any little piece of this 928 00:57:20,190 --> 00:57:23,400 shit work? You got just the lock tag. Congratulations. You're in 929 00:57:23,429 --> 00:57:24,479 sort of a batch. 930 00:57:25,110 --> 00:57:28,770 A small batch is very small batch. batch. Yeah. So that's, 931 00:57:29,010 --> 00:57:30,510 that's the certification. 932 00:57:30,750 --> 00:57:35,670 I do like the idea of writing up a sort of a guidance thing where 933 00:57:35,670 --> 00:57:40,590 it's like, because there are issues here like let Horwitz 934 00:57:40,590 --> 00:57:43,440 feed to me. They're, they're a disaster. Yeah, what 935 00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,350 exactly is the problem with his feed? What's going on? That's a 936 00:57:46,350 --> 00:57:46,740 core 937 00:57:46,739 --> 00:57:52,349 thing. That Yeah, well, no, it's it's HTTPS. So the feed is 938 00:57:52,379 --> 00:57:56,009 consistent, was being served over HTTPS. And then but the day 939 00:57:56,009 --> 00:57:57,029 closures weren't. 940 00:57:58,739 --> 00:58:00,239 That's when you get a course thing I got 941 00:58:00,270 --> 00:58:02,850 you get the you get the mixed content warning and all that 942 00:58:02,850 --> 00:58:06,180 jazz. So like, there needs to be a guidance document that says, 943 00:58:06,180 --> 00:58:10,590 Okay, are you do you want to be podcasting 2.0 you got to put 944 00:58:10,590 --> 00:58:13,350 the namespace in there. But then you also have to, you know, or 945 00:58:13,350 --> 00:58:17,100 not have to, but we also highly encourage you to review your 946 00:58:17,100 --> 00:58:20,610 feed, make sure that this stuff works, because part of cast part 947 00:58:20,610 --> 00:58:25,740 of podcasting 2.0 is that web podcast players are important. 948 00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:31,080 And the web, the pw a guys cannot function properly. If 949 00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:36,420 your webs if your feed rep has mixed content problems or in 950 00:58:36,420 --> 00:58:38,880 court issues and all that kind of stuff. You gotta fix all that 951 00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:43,020 stuff. But I think podcasting 2.0 we should link the badge 952 00:58:43,020 --> 00:58:47,940 back to a page that says I agree. These things namespace 953 00:58:48,030 --> 00:58:51,510 Corps, HTTPS, bah, bah, bah, bah. 954 00:58:51,540 --> 00:58:56,880 Yeah. And I'd like that explanation because pw A's web 955 00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:03,930 apps are critical to podcasting. 2.0 Which brings me to our next 956 00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:08,790 little tidbit to hit, which may or may not be namespace related. 957 00:59:09,810 --> 00:59:10,830 audiobooks, 958 00:59:11,909 --> 00:59:14,099 though, I have audible on my list here. 959 00:59:14,130 --> 00:59:18,120 Yes, I Well, that's brilliant minds. I that was that a link 960 00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:22,620 that I shared with you earlier this week with the in our group 961 00:59:22,620 --> 00:59:27,300 there about? How am I audible is completely boning independent. 962 00:59:27,510 --> 00:59:33,300 Yeah, publishers of books. Or doc or something? Yeah, hold on 963 00:59:33,300 --> 00:59:36,390 a sec. I have it. I have it here. Let me see 964 00:59:37,469 --> 00:59:40,439 the name of something. Hold on a second I think space dot space 965 00:59:40,439 --> 00:59:40,649 dot 966 00:59:40,679 --> 00:59:45,149 here it is. Yes, space doc. Listen, he's he's a real good 967 00:59:45,149 --> 00:59:45,689 voice. 968 00:59:45,809 --> 00:59:48,539 Hey everyone, Daniel from space doc here in a rather different 969 00:59:48,539 --> 00:59:50,879 video from usual today I'm here to talk to you all about the 970 00:59:50,879 --> 00:59:54,029 experiences we've had with Amazon audible whilst trying to 971 00:59:54,029 --> 00:59:57,299 distribute our science fiction audio drama, The sojourn and 972 00:59:57,299 --> 01:00:00,269 what we've learned about how that company treats creators In 973 01:00:00,269 --> 01:00:04,169 July of 2020, we submitted the first volume for serious 974 01:00:04,169 --> 01:00:07,439 platforms, including audible. We did. So three weeks in advance 975 01:00:07,439 --> 01:00:10,259 of the sojourns planned launch date, as we were told that would 976 01:00:10,259 --> 01:00:12,899 be enough time for the files to be approved and processed. 977 01:00:12,959 --> 01:00:15,359 Google Books and various other platforms managed to get the 978 01:00:15,359 --> 01:00:18,359 volume ready to distribute in a couple of days. But as I'm sure 979 01:00:18,359 --> 01:00:20,579 many of you have noticed, it took audible a frankly, 980 01:00:20,579 --> 01:00:24,089 ludicrous four and a half months to get the volume up on their 981 01:00:24,089 --> 01:00:24,539 store. 982 01:00:24,570 --> 01:00:27,990 Jesus, yeah. And then, and then he does the numbers. And he 983 01:00:27,990 --> 01:00:31,980 says, oh, by the way, you really only are winding up with 18% of 984 01:00:31,980 --> 01:00:34,530 the revenue, if you really look at how they do how they 985 01:00:34,530 --> 01:00:37,170 calculate and do everything, and they're stealing. And they're 986 01:00:37,170 --> 01:00:41,340 assholes. And for months is ridiculous. This is all that 987 01:00:41,340 --> 01:00:45,660 needs to happen. Because we'll do whatever and I'm speaking on 988 01:00:45,660 --> 01:00:50,190 your behalf, Dev named Dave, we will create the endpoint, 989 01:00:50,190 --> 01:00:55,710 whatever you need. But you just need a new interface that says 990 01:00:55,860 --> 01:01:01,170 audiobook. And we need people to publish their audio books, in 991 01:01:01,170 --> 01:01:07,020 chapters with streaming value for value, I guarantee you, you 992 01:01:07,020 --> 01:01:10,740 will make more money than you will on Amazon. That's an easy 993 01:01:10,740 --> 01:01:17,400 guarantee for me. And I think it can function under podcasting. 994 01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:21,030 It'll work perfectly in a podcast app. But if you make an 995 01:01:21,030 --> 01:01:27,030 interface that says audiobooks, value for value, I think some I 996 01:01:27,030 --> 01:01:31,650 think it will work. I think it's even easier. It's even it goes 997 01:01:31,650 --> 01:01:32,700 deeper than even that. 998 01:01:32,849 --> 01:01:37,679 So what I had what I had jotted down on here when I watched that 999 01:01:37,679 --> 01:01:41,099 video, so what I watched that video that you sent, and then 1000 01:01:41,099 --> 01:01:47,069 the next day on the way to to the office. I was listening to 1001 01:01:49,829 --> 01:01:51,809 him Cameron, what audio book it was anyway, I was listening to 1002 01:01:51,809 --> 01:01:57,179 an audio book on Audible. And, and I was noticing that it just 1003 01:01:57,179 --> 01:01:59,249 said chapter one chapter two chapter. Oh, it was the 1004 01:01:59,249 --> 01:02:04,709 yearling. Okay. I was listening to the yearling. The old book 1005 01:02:04,709 --> 01:02:11,129 from Marjorie kinnan. Rawlings. And so, each chapter, it's kind 1006 01:02:11,129 --> 01:02:14,009 of weird because I'm bouncing back and forth between the audio 1007 01:02:14,009 --> 01:02:16,829 book and the printed book. Because I'm sort of reading 1008 01:02:16,829 --> 01:02:22,439 along with my daughter who's 10. And the, the printed book, the 1009 01:02:22,439 --> 01:02:30,089 chapters have titles, and then the and the audible audiobook. 1010 01:02:30,479 --> 01:02:33,479 They're just chapter numbers. It just says chapter one chapter 1011 01:02:33,479 --> 01:02:33,809 two, my 1012 01:02:33,809 --> 01:02:36,359 god we haven't even fact figured chapters out yet 1013 01:02:36,420 --> 01:02:40,020 did they don't even have chapter titles. Oh, my goodness, in this 1014 01:02:40,050 --> 01:02:42,900 audible app has been around for free long is 1015 01:02:44,010 --> 01:02:45,420 worse than podcasting. 1016 01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:49,500 That's what I'm saying. So like, this is not. So this made me 1017 01:02:49,500 --> 01:02:52,650 think about this made me think about Spotify, and all the stuff 1018 01:02:52,650 --> 01:02:56,640 that they were, you know, doing on their thing last week, and 1019 01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:01,110 all the stuff they were touting? And I started thinking like, we 1020 01:03:01,110 --> 01:03:06,360 are so far ahead of that entire game. Oh, yeah. Like, oh, yeah, 1021 01:03:06,510 --> 01:03:11,760 we got if you want to put you can publish your audio book in a 1022 01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:17,370 podcasting 2.0, namespace to certified certified certified, a 1023 01:03:17,370 --> 01:03:24,600 certified feed. And you get all this stuff you could get imagine 1024 01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:30,090 the experience of going into a podcasting 2.0 app, to listen to 1025 01:03:30,090 --> 01:03:33,780 the yearling. Okay, the original book that year, like from Oh, 1026 01:03:33,780 --> 01:03:37,200 gosh, was from the 30s or 40s? No, no, no, I'm sorry, for the 1027 01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:44,880 early 50s. The original version of that, of that book, had 1028 01:03:45,180 --> 01:03:50,700 chapter titles had chapter art. I don't know who did it. I'm 1029 01:03:50,700 --> 01:03:54,630 sorry. It was from the 3030 3838. Okay, I don't know 1030 01:03:54,630 --> 01:03:58,350 who did the art, but it had art in it. So imagine you're going 1031 01:03:58,350 --> 01:04:03,420 into a podcasting 2.0 app, pod friend, podcast, attic pod 1032 01:04:03,420 --> 01:04:07,020 station. They know, Piper catcher, any of these, any of 1033 01:04:07,020 --> 01:04:10,800 these apps. And you're you start listening to the to the audio 1034 01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:14,310 book of the yearling. And it's got chapter titles. It's got the 1035 01:04:14,310 --> 01:04:19,290 chapter art in it. You could ran scripts, you can teach your 1036 01:04:19,290 --> 01:04:23,340 children to read along with the transcript yet because that that 1037 01:04:23,340 --> 01:04:30,210 book, the full text is available in on Gutenberg press. You You 1038 01:04:30,210 --> 01:04:35,910 could have a stellar audio book experience today. 1039 01:04:36,059 --> 01:04:37,619 Yep. As a 1040 01:04:37,620 --> 01:04:38,820 pod and get paid. 1041 01:04:39,119 --> 01:04:41,969 Yes. And I think that in this case, you'd have a little 1042 01:04:41,969 --> 01:04:47,909 algorithm like suggested price for this book. Yeah, yeah. What 1043 01:04:47,999 --> 01:04:49,889 this book Yeah, what do you think what is it worth to you? 1044 01:04:50,309 --> 01:04:54,059 About most books? Yeah, I'd be like five bucks. Just to just to 1045 01:04:54,059 --> 01:04:58,799 make it easy. As I'm going along. Maybe something says 1046 01:04:58,829 --> 01:05:02,909 still five bucks. Good. Knowing that I increased it a bit. 1047 01:05:03,389 --> 01:05:06,329 I finished I finished the yearling and I cried like a two 1048 01:05:06,329 --> 01:05:09,719 year old child. Because it was this is this is like one of the 1049 01:05:09,719 --> 01:05:10,769 saddest books ever. 1050 01:05:10,860 --> 01:05:12,570 Yeah, it's not really uplifting. 1051 01:05:14,369 --> 01:05:17,279 I would have boosted the hell out of that book if I had a 1052 01:05:17,279 --> 01:05:21,989 boost button. Because it was just a fantastic book. And they 1053 01:05:22,199 --> 01:05:25,409 so you could have and think about LibriVox, you know, 1054 01:05:25,409 --> 01:05:29,429 everybody's knock on LibriVox is that the narrators are not good 1055 01:05:29,429 --> 01:05:31,679 quality. Right now. They're spending they're, they're 1056 01:05:31,679 --> 01:05:35,069 spending their time, their valuable time to do this as a 1057 01:05:35,069 --> 01:05:40,859 service to humanity. But imagine that the increase in quality 1058 01:05:40,859 --> 01:05:43,769 that you would get if they knew they can get paid for it, and it 1059 01:05:43,769 --> 01:05:44,639 became a market 1060 01:05:44,639 --> 01:05:49,589 Exactly. And it's ready to go. And I've learned all it really 1061 01:05:49,589 --> 01:05:53,789 takes is some example of content. This is the main thing 1062 01:05:53,789 --> 01:05:57,119 that everyone's been missing for a decade, is you just back and 1063 01:05:57,119 --> 01:06:00,509 forth. And you need someone to say, okay, fuck it, I'll support 1064 01:06:00,509 --> 01:06:04,739 that. You know, what was a real tipping point for us? buzzsprout 1065 01:06:04,739 --> 01:06:08,069 transcript? Yeah, that was it. That was it. They had it 1066 01:06:08,069 --> 01:06:10,709 already, you know, so that, so that was just pulling the pieces 1067 01:06:10,709 --> 01:06:13,649 together. And someone said, okay, shit, yeah. And I'll make 1068 01:06:13,649 --> 01:06:16,079 an app that works with that. And then more people made content. 1069 01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:20,369 And that's how it works. This is why I've discussed with Max 1070 01:06:20,369 --> 01:06:23,879 Keiser, and Stacy, really, I should say, I discussed with 1071 01:06:23,879 --> 01:06:27,779 Stacy because you don't discuss with Max, you just sit back and 1072 01:06:28,109 --> 01:06:33,629 enjoy. She she's been putting together this dynamite 1073 01:06:33,659 --> 01:06:39,719 documentary 10 episode series of the orange pill called to the 1074 01:06:39,719 --> 01:06:44,039 moon. And it's their history, all the people they interviewed 1075 01:06:44,489 --> 01:06:48,509 about Bitcoin starting in 2010 2011, when they first got 1076 01:06:48,509 --> 01:06:51,659 into it, and you know, they have been around the world have 1077 01:06:51,689 --> 01:06:55,739 interviewed 1000s of people probably at this point. And 1078 01:06:55,739 --> 01:07:01,409 she's, she's she's edited this into a real fast pace. Dynamite 1079 01:07:01,409 --> 01:07:05,099 documentary, two episodes are out now I caught them. And I 1080 01:07:05,099 --> 01:07:10,109 listened to them on the swings chat. And it really translated 1081 01:07:10,109 --> 01:07:14,699 well to audio. And so I said, I said, Stacey, when you're done 1082 01:07:14,699 --> 01:07:18,239 with these, let's make a separate feed just a static feed 1083 01:07:18,239 --> 01:07:22,079 10 episodes. I'm sure I can get Tom to throw that on there. 1084 01:07:22,079 --> 01:07:25,109 Because they have they used buzzsprout just to separate, you 1085 01:07:25,109 --> 01:07:29,909 know, 10 episode feed that has a value block in it. And we're 1086 01:07:29,909 --> 01:07:34,829 gonna make it available in audio and video. Nice. And what a 1087 01:07:34,829 --> 01:07:41,039 phenomenal piece of content to experiment with value for value 1088 01:07:41,039 --> 01:07:44,159 with video as well. dollar apps can do it. 1089 01:07:46,349 --> 01:07:50,039 Which thing is things have video? I don't. I don't think 1090 01:07:50,039 --> 01:07:51,089 they do. That's a good point. I 1091 01:07:51,090 --> 01:07:53,520 don't think that they may not well, and also I'm sure pod 1092 01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:57,630 station doesn't play it but most apps will will play video. 1093 01:07:58,110 --> 01:08:02,970 I bet you put that bet you get a bet you could put video in 1094 01:08:02,970 --> 01:08:04,950 there. So you can do that fairly what I'm 1095 01:08:04,949 --> 01:08:08,549 thinking is instead of Oh, it's video podcasting, why not? 1096 01:08:08,759 --> 01:08:13,259 Here's your documentary app. Boom, there's a new documentary. 1097 01:08:13,739 --> 01:08:18,209 Here's the first one here's the cool thing about it. It's free 1098 01:08:18,929 --> 01:08:24,629 but it's value for value so you can boost in the documentary if 1099 01:08:24,629 --> 01:08:27,629 you have this is great is it just stream some stats while 1100 01:08:27,629 --> 01:08:31,829 you're watching it and make an app call it isn't just another 1101 01:08:31,829 --> 01:08:36,389 skin documentaries value for value documentaries 1102 01:08:37,980 --> 01:08:43,800 See that's so if you want to see if you want to see real what 1103 01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:48,390 real stagnation and lack of innovation looks like go look at 1104 01:08:48,390 --> 01:08:52,470 audibles app go look at Spotify as app if that's what you want. 1105 01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:53,580 If 1106 01:08:53,699 --> 01:08:56,849 that's how you want your your your work of art consumed, 1107 01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:02,280 yeah, then then then all you get to do is allow Spotify or Amazon 1108 01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:06,330 or any of these guys to get 50 60% market share. Yeah, and 1109 01:09:06,330 --> 01:09:09,930 you'll see all innovation come to a screeching halt Yeah, 1110 01:09:09,930 --> 01:09:13,020 that's that that's how that's how that works. I mean look like 1111 01:09:13,020 --> 01:09:17,430 I said look at the quality of experience that you can have in 1112 01:09:17,430 --> 01:09:22,800 a podcasting 2.0 compliant thing today. Yeah, and in it already. 1113 01:09:23,010 --> 01:09:26,640 It's not see this is what's been bugging me. This is what bugged 1114 01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:30,720 me all throughout the Spotify stuff last week. Is this is not 1115 01:09:30,750 --> 01:09:34,320 us trying to catch up to them. We are so far ahead of them or 1116 01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:39,750 miles miles ahead. We've got mugs with we got we got we got 1117 01:09:39,750 --> 01:09:44,160 mugs. We got mugs, baby we got time for mugs, you're ahead of 1118 01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:44,640 the game, 1119 01:09:45,060 --> 01:09:49,500 like a like a cougar happy hour. Okay, stop. You can't stop us 1120 01:09:51,540 --> 01:09:52,950 this crappy hour. 1121 01:09:53,070 --> 01:09:57,660 I just I'm just yeah, that that begins that is beginning to to 1122 01:09:57,660 --> 01:10:01,830 bother me is that this is not a keeping pace. We have already, 1123 01:10:01,950 --> 01:10:06,270 we're already, we're already way out in front here. Yeah. And 1124 01:10:06,270 --> 01:10:09,120 we're not even to alternate enclosure yet. That's good. 1125 01:10:09,150 --> 01:10:09,870 That's coming. 1126 01:10:10,590 --> 01:10:14,640 closures coming and that's when we're gonna figure out ipfs. 1127 01:10:15,090 --> 01:10:17,790 Yeah, because that's just gonna be a switch. And all you got to 1128 01:10:17,790 --> 01:10:21,450 do is switch to ipfs. And you're going to get it from, from us 1129 01:10:21,540 --> 01:10:24,870 opinion server or wherever else on the network, that's gonna, 1130 01:10:24,930 --> 01:10:26,790 it's gonna be amazing. 1131 01:10:27,150 --> 01:10:29,940 And that thing that James has been talking about, and like, in 1132 01:10:29,940 --> 01:10:33,810 his mind that he, he has this idea that of flipping back and 1133 01:10:33,810 --> 01:10:36,900 forth between video and audio streams, like Yeah, all that 1134 01:10:36,900 --> 01:10:39,840 stuff works. Yeah, we'll do we'll, we're gonna make we're 1135 01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:43,140 gonna make all that stuff happen. Yeah. Because this this 1136 01:10:43,140 --> 01:10:45,540 community of people that are committed deter that are 1137 01:10:45,780 --> 01:10:49,920 contributing to the namespace now. That's a good group there, 1138 01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:50,820 vigilantes 1139 01:10:50,820 --> 01:10:54,480 boy, the Cowboys. Yeah, 1140 01:10:54,869 --> 01:10:56,159 we can do it. Mm hmm. 1141 01:10:57,060 --> 01:10:58,560 It'd be good to have a cow girl. 1142 01:10:59,790 --> 01:11:05,310 that that would be that would be nice. Yeah, we know it'd be 1143 01:11:05,310 --> 01:11:05,640 nice. 1144 01:11:05,670 --> 01:11:08,490 I mean, it is what it is our I find our group to be incredibly 1145 01:11:08,490 --> 01:11:12,540 diverse, but it is kind of a lot of men. Yeah, that's what it is. 1146 01:11:12,570 --> 01:11:17,190 I mean, I know we've got the female counterparts who 1147 01:11:17,190 --> 01:11:19,950 contribute, but not I don't think necessarily in development 1148 01:11:20,430 --> 01:11:21,330 that I'm aware of. 1149 01:11:22,139 --> 01:11:25,469 Yeah, I think in general, the female, the female person, the 1150 01:11:25,529 --> 01:11:28,559 development of the percentage of developers out there that are 1151 01:11:28,559 --> 01:11:30,659 female is low anyway, so it's probably just, 1152 01:11:30,900 --> 01:11:33,750 I've employed a few good ones. I'll tell you that. 1153 01:11:34,290 --> 01:11:36,510 Oh, yeah. No, yeah. There's lots of good ones. They there's just 1154 01:11:36,510 --> 01:11:41,460 not enough of them. Yeah. I think but I think my daughter, I 1155 01:11:41,460 --> 01:11:44,220 think my 10 year old can be a blessing my daughter. I mean, I 1156 01:11:44,220 --> 01:11:47,160 get to get two girls, but my youngest daughter, I think she 1157 01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:50,640 can. I think she'd been good developer. Oh, really? Oh, she's 1158 01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:53,940 got that head. headspace. Nice. Yeah, nice. 1159 01:11:53,940 --> 01:11:57,540 It's funny how you see it early. You can tell when people are 1160 01:11:57,540 --> 01:11:59,850 just going to be infatuated with that kind of stuff for the rest 1161 01:11:59,850 --> 01:12:00,420 of their life. 1162 01:12:01,019 --> 01:12:04,859 Also, where, you know, you talk about being miles ahead. And you 1163 01:12:04,859 --> 01:12:08,459 know, I it's only so much time in the day, but I tried to go 1164 01:12:08,459 --> 01:12:15,149 past pod verse and pod guru and podcast addict and antenna pod. 1165 01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:17,939 And I try to keep up with everything. And everyone's 1166 01:12:17,939 --> 01:12:20,639 integrating. I see announcements all the time. Oh, we've added 1167 01:12:20,639 --> 01:12:21,839 this. Oh, we've added that. 1168 01:12:22,230 --> 01:12:25,170 Oh, Jason at podcast guru. They added some stuff recently, too. 1169 01:12:25,170 --> 01:12:29,880 He did his pull request on him. And he's on that page. First and 1170 01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:33,150 me I forgot what tag he put in IT WAS IT person. I can't 1171 01:12:33,150 --> 01:12:33,510 remember. 1172 01:12:33,570 --> 01:12:37,170 And it's so interesting. The different takes on integration. 1173 01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:41,040 You know, that's really where art comes down to it. Now, 1174 01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:45,270 because pod verse is completely different then than anything 1175 01:12:45,270 --> 01:12:49,260 else out there the way we're chapters are, how they're how 1176 01:12:49,260 --> 01:12:52,950 they're located. And I will say that one of the thing about pod 1177 01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:57,240 verse, which I love, it has internet is that Wait, I said 1178 01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:04,050 pod verse? Think of the wrong one. Now who has the radio 1179 01:13:04,050 --> 01:13:04,920 station in it? 1180 01:13:06,330 --> 01:13:07,320 The radio station? 1181 01:13:07,350 --> 01:13:11,040 Yeah. Hold on. Someone has radios whole distances radio and 1182 01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:16,050 you got a whole radio app? No, that's podcast addict, I think. 1183 01:13:16,530 --> 01:13:17,160 Let me say. 1184 01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:22,590 I don't know. I don't have a Android phone. So I guess that's 1185 01:13:22,590 --> 01:13:22,740 why 1186 01:13:22,740 --> 01:13:26,970 Yeah, podcast addict has there we go radio stations. And it's 1187 01:13:26,970 --> 01:13:28,050 better than tuning? 1188 01:13:29,580 --> 01:13:30,390 Yeah. Oh, I 1189 01:13:30,390 --> 01:13:31,500 want to see span. 1190 01:13:31,980 --> 01:13:35,430 Where's he getting that stream from? He's, I don't know, we say 1191 01:13:35,430 --> 01:13:38,850 he's tapping into some database. See, because that that's what we 1192 01:13:38,850 --> 01:13:43,380 could do that. With alternate enclosure. We're gonna have to, 1193 01:13:43,710 --> 01:13:46,050 we're one of the biggest challenges, I think with that 1194 01:13:46,050 --> 01:13:49,440 tag is going to be figuring out the live component because you 1195 01:13:49,440 --> 01:13:52,230 need a bit the ability to tap into an ice cast server. 1196 01:13:52,260 --> 01:13:56,340 Yes. And and boost and stream that to during live. 1197 01:13:56,340 --> 01:13:56,700 Yeah, 1198 01:13:56,790 --> 01:14:00,270 yeah, that's gonna be that's gonna be a big, big jump, big 1199 01:14:00,270 --> 01:14:03,870 feature. And I just hope that we're gonna figure out some of 1200 01:14:03,870 --> 01:14:06,540 these cross community things. You know, we had a nice chat 1201 01:14:06,540 --> 01:14:11,190 with Brian of London. Oh, yeah, we did, who explained his 1202 01:14:11,190 --> 01:14:13,350 developer. He showed his development and showed us what 1203 01:14:13,350 --> 01:14:17,670 hive can do. And there's some very interesting Well, firstly, 1204 01:14:17,670 --> 01:14:21,630 is a lot of knowledge how you manage assets on the blockchain. 1205 01:14:24,180 --> 01:14:27,570 It was very enlightening to me. Certainly, when it comes to how 1206 01:14:27,570 --> 01:14:31,740 do you get stuff out there that everybody can tap into and use? 1207 01:14:32,130 --> 01:14:35,220 And what are the upsides and the downsides? One of the downsides 1208 01:14:35,220 --> 01:14:40,320 is it's up there. There's no delete. You know, stuff like 1209 01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:42,120 that. is very interesting. 1210 01:14:42,660 --> 01:14:44,100 Yeah, that's kind of a problem. 1211 01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:47,850 Yeah, well, it's stuff you got to think about, obviously, 1212 01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:57,870 analogous to the history of podcasting. Around 2008. We were 1213 01:14:57,870 --> 01:15:03,390 the darlings of the tech media. We had the Oto was going to be 1214 01:15:03,390 --> 01:15:06,390 the the hottest new podcast platform and then everything 1215 01:15:06,390 --> 01:15:10,770 changed. Then Oto became Twitter and Facebook when opened and 1216 01:15:10,770 --> 01:15:14,490 YouTube was bought. And podcasting got pushed to the 1217 01:15:14,490 --> 01:15:20,610 bottom of the new stack for several years. Until the serial, 1218 01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:25,830 right combination of factors of people being tired of binge 1219 01:15:25,830 --> 01:15:30,000 eating and wanting some an audio in general, brought it all 1220 01:15:30,060 --> 01:15:35,760 screaming back. This entire project we're doing is so it's 1221 01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:41,250 like the simulation rebooted. The same type of things are 1222 01:15:41,250 --> 01:15:44,520 taking place the same synchronicity if you will, like 1223 01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:46,980 click, oh, this is good. Something else happened. That 1224 01:15:46,980 --> 01:15:49,350 person just showed up. Oh, my God, look what these guys are 1225 01:15:49,350 --> 01:15:53,160 doing. The Open Source nature of it all of that with with much 1226 01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:57,570 better tools. So the timeline has accelerated, things are 1227 01:15:57,570 --> 01:16:00,420 happening, which would take several years happens in two 1228 01:16:00,420 --> 01:16:05,400 months. And I believe that we're right now on the cusp of a 1229 01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:09,900 temporary amount of time that will be that will cloud 1230 01:16:10,500 --> 01:16:17,070 podcasting and subsequently podcasting 2.0 with NF T's and 1231 01:16:17,070 --> 01:16:18,630 clubhouse type things, 1232 01:16:19,170 --> 01:16:21,450 as they need a mini ice a mini 1233 01:16:21,450 --> 01:16:25,980 ice age in the timeline of podcasting 2.0 which is great, 1234 01:16:26,430 --> 01:16:30,660 because it's not going to last years. I mean, clubhouse is 1235 01:16:30,660 --> 01:16:34,350 imploding faster than even I thought it would. No idea, oh, 1236 01:16:34,350 --> 01:16:38,250 my God, it's already blowing up. So that's done. That's over. 1237 01:16:38,790 --> 01:16:42,720 We'll have some meet twos there on deck, obviously, Twitter is 1238 01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:48,210 going to do spaces and basically clubhouse for Twitter, 1239 01:16:48,870 --> 01:16:51,420 everyone's going to be running around. That's what all the 1240 01:16:51,420 --> 01:16:56,220 press will be focused on. Now, the good news is, this also 1241 01:16:56,220 --> 01:17:00,390 doesn't help Spotify or Apple or anybody else. But we're the ones 1242 01:17:00,630 --> 01:17:03,810 doing the open innovation and sliding in under the radar. 1243 01:17:03,930 --> 01:17:08,880 Because we also have this little magical Bitcoin thing that keeps 1244 01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:12,450 a lot of people focused on what we're doing. So to me, this is a 1245 01:17:12,450 --> 01:17:16,680 great opportunity to shore stuff up, get stuff deployed, get it 1246 01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:21,000 out, get into our next phase of the namespace. Because people 1247 01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:24,690 are going to be looking for shit when it's done. And it will end 1248 01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:27,810 this, this will end and then it'll probably be a piece of 1249 01:17:27,810 --> 01:17:30,780 content, who knows what it will be? Someone's going to show up 1250 01:17:30,780 --> 01:17:34,320 with something and it's going to incorporate all these pieces and 1251 01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:40,200 it's going to blow up. That is the simulation plays out the way 1252 01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:43,050 it did the first time. And so far. I think I've mentioned this 1253 01:17:43,050 --> 01:17:48,000 several times to you privately, like holy crap, man, this is 1254 01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:49,230 just like the first time. 1255 01:17:49,530 --> 01:17:50,250 And actually 1256 01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:53,370 yeah, maybe we can do podcasting. 2.0 you kind of set 1257 01:17:53,370 --> 01:17:54,540 the universe up for it. 1258 01:17:55,530 --> 01:17:58,170 Yeah, and I can see it going that way. You had the you have 1259 01:17:58,170 --> 01:18:02,820 the mini ice age, and then you have somebody brings all the 1260 01:18:02,820 --> 01:18:06,570 elements together into a killer product. Like not prosecuting 1261 01:18:06,570 --> 01:18:09,210 that product into a piece of killer content. Yeah, yeah. 1262 01:18:09,270 --> 01:18:14,070 Look, if somebody releases like an awesome, you know, 1263 01:18:14,130 --> 01:18:18,270 documentary that has all the different, it's got the chapter 1264 01:18:18,270 --> 01:18:22,500 art, it's got the transcripts, got them, but you can you can 1265 01:18:22,500 --> 01:18:25,950 send them money. They take all and you can flip back and forth 1266 01:18:25,950 --> 01:18:30,330 between audio and video on the road, automatically. It's an 1267 01:18:30,330 --> 01:18:32,760 app, you know, that can tell when you're driving, so it sends 1268 01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:36,840 the video off, and flips to audio only. But like all these 1269 01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:40,170 different pieces come together, and it's got located it's got 1270 01:18:40,170 --> 01:18:43,080 location. So it's showing you on an interactive map all the 1271 01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:46,110 different places that whatever this documentary is talking 1272 01:18:46,110 --> 01:18:46,500 about my 1273 01:18:46,500 --> 01:18:49,140 God, will it massage my scroll to him as well. 1274 01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:59,790 That's your, that comes from an extra boost. The this I mean, 1275 01:18:59,790 --> 01:19:03,360 like you have that, that piece of content that happens and then 1276 01:19:03,450 --> 01:19:04,410 all of a sudden, it's like, 1277 01:19:04,620 --> 01:19:06,870 it's gonna blow up. Yeah, it's gonna blow up. It's gonna blow 1278 01:19:06,870 --> 01:19:10,800 and we'll be pretty far along, I think weeks, maybe a couple 1279 01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:13,860 months, but we just have I just know how media works. I've been 1280 01:19:13,860 --> 01:19:18,630 in all my life. This is what it is NF T's all the way, which is 1281 01:19:18,660 --> 01:19:23,400 really kind of God. It's kind of funny. Yeah, it's it's like the 1282 01:19:23,430 --> 01:19:26,520 opposite of the whole idea of cryptocurrencies. It's like, 1283 01:19:26,550 --> 01:19:29,160 let's get something worse. Let's get something that you can't 1284 01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:34,380 trade. Except. Yeah, you can't you can't change it in anything 1285 01:19:34,380 --> 01:19:37,920 else. It has to be in this in this realm on this on this 1286 01:19:38,010 --> 01:19:41,070 trading platform. You can't we can't exchange it for anything. 1287 01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:42,780 It's a Beanie Baby. But yeah, 1288 01:19:43,440 --> 01:19:47,790 exactly. Yes. The Beanie Baby of kryptos exactly what it is. But 1289 01:19:47,790 --> 01:19:51,090 I thought Bitcoin was Beanie Babies. No. Nf T's are the 1290 01:19:51,090 --> 01:19:52,320 beanie babies of crypto. 1291 01:19:53,010 --> 01:19:56,160 Do you remember when driving through town and there would be 1292 01:19:56,610 --> 01:20:00,210 people on the side of the road on their car park and They would 1293 01:20:00,210 --> 01:20:03,870 have like 300 Beanie Babies. Oh yeah. And you could go in like 1294 01:20:03,870 --> 01:20:07,800 beanie bomb right off the hood of somebody's car. That's that's 1295 01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:08,460 what this is. 1296 01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:12,420 I tried it was that guys I tried to buy him when I had my public 1297 01:20:12,420 --> 01:20:15,720 company. The guy who had the original Beanie Babies trading 1298 01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:16,230 thing 1299 01:20:16,890 --> 01:20:17,580 is I don't know. 1300 01:20:18,690 --> 01:20:21,960 And I saw that coming a mile away and he said Dude, you can't 1301 01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:26,520 bring me enough money a couple things I tried I tried to buy 1302 01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:32,040 the CD database. Oh the CD DB Yeah, yeah, they just sold it 1303 01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:35,070 just sold it like two months before I got a hold of them. 1304 01:20:35,370 --> 01:20:37,110 Whatever happened to that is it still functional? 1305 01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:41,160 I you know, it's probably a godsend because it probably make 1306 01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:44,370 any money for whoever got it. I don't know. Why not it I think 1307 01:20:44,370 --> 01:20:49,230 it got cheese didn't get bought up by when amp or something. 1308 01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:55,260 Maybe I remember when lame. Do you remember when lane or lane 1309 01:20:55,290 --> 01:20:57,720 the lame mp3 encoder? Yes. Yeah, 1310 01:20:57,720 --> 01:20:59,520 of course. Lane. Of course. Of course. Yes. 1311 01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:03,480 So though there was a version of it called win lane. And it was 1312 01:21:03,480 --> 01:21:07,950 always getting DMCA takedown everywhere because it used the 1313 01:21:07,980 --> 01:21:12,870 Fraunhofer and codec and all that jazz. But when lane had a 1314 01:21:12,870 --> 01:21:16,170 CD Ripper, and it was all automated, so then you would in 1315 01:21:16,170 --> 01:21:19,890 one of the options was you can put a check mark into when I put 1316 01:21:19,890 --> 01:21:24,060 a CD into rip it, pull all the information from the CD dB. And 1317 01:21:24,060 --> 01:21:28,230 you were just like automatic, right? And I always kept 1318 01:21:28,230 --> 01:21:31,320 thinking like, this guy's making any money. Like this doesn't 1319 01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:35,220 make any sense. But you know, the answer was they weren't. 1320 01:21:36,090 --> 01:21:46,140 So they tried to get bought by Microsoft. Okay, so yeah, so the 1321 01:21:46,140 --> 01:21:53,010 guys who bought it, who they sell it to, to a high tech, 1322 01:21:53,010 --> 01:21:55,950 consumer electronics manufacturer, SC ENT and that 1323 01:21:55,950 --> 01:21:59,970 was in 1998. That's when I tried to buy them. And it turns out 1324 01:21:59,970 --> 01:22:04,500 that Essien all they wanted to do was turn around, actually, 1325 01:22:04,500 --> 01:22:08,670 they want it to do a little extortion, legal extortion, they 1326 01:22:08,670 --> 01:22:11,640 want to flip it off to and sell it to Microsoft. 1327 01:22:12,480 --> 01:22:13,920 Oh, okay. 1328 01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:17,820 So that. Yeah, they want to flip it that didn't work out. Then 1329 01:22:17,820 --> 01:22:22,770 they renamed it grace note, and this I know, shows up in my car, 1330 01:22:22,770 --> 01:22:23,910 it shows up everywhere. 1331 01:22:24,900 --> 01:22:27,510 Oh, I didn't realize that it became great. Yeah, 1332 01:22:27,510 --> 01:22:31,170 they rebranded it and became great. And then Sony in 2008. 1333 01:22:32,010 --> 01:22:36,120 Fully acquired grace note. Okay, I have no and oh, and they 1334 01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:42,030 resold it to Nielsen in 2016. It's a horror scene of sloppy 1335 01:22:42,030 --> 01:22:45,480 fifths. It's not even seconds anymore. I'm glad I didn't tap 1336 01:22:45,480 --> 01:22:46,560 that. Yes. 1337 01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:53,310 Yes, it's the VI D, venereal diseases CD DVD. 1338 01:22:59,610 --> 01:23:02,490 To thank a few people. For this, this would be talking about 1339 01:23:02,490 --> 01:23:05,910 value for value, which is exactly what this show is what 1340 01:23:05,910 --> 01:23:12,690 this project is what the podcast index is. If you get any benefit 1341 01:23:12,690 --> 01:23:16,560 from any value that you drive, please consider returning that 1342 01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:20,310 it seems to be a real good karmic experience. And whatever 1343 01:23:20,310 --> 01:23:23,730 you decide to support us with, and we'll take any of the 1344 01:23:23,730 --> 01:23:27,720 trifecta time, talent, treasure, a lot of people spending time 1345 01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:30,660 and talent, treasure wise, whatever it is, make it 1346 01:23:30,660 --> 01:23:34,530 meaningful to you. That's what value is when it's meaningful to 1347 01:23:34,530 --> 01:23:38,850 you. Because it's not about us necessarily being able to pay 1348 01:23:38,850 --> 01:23:42,690 the bills, which we can do. We're doing okay. It's about the 1349 01:23:42,690 --> 01:23:46,350 feeling you get from it. And by the way, when I see those 1350 01:23:46,440 --> 01:23:48,420 PayPal, emails coming, 1351 01:23:48,450 --> 01:23:50,610 I always feel good. Yeah, 1352 01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:54,120 I always look who's this? Okay. Yeah. 10 bucks, five bucks. Oh, 1353 01:23:54,210 --> 01:23:58,830 a new recurring. Oh, this is great. It works. It works. And 1354 01:23:58,830 --> 01:24:03,240 it's part of the foundation. And it's a great way to, to for 1355 01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:07,680 price discovery for creative works in a fair and 1356 01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:12,420 decentralized way. And one thing? Yeah, I was gonna say 1357 01:24:12,420 --> 01:24:17,250 that I just got an email that voltage is adding bitpay to 1358 01:24:17,250 --> 01:24:23,850 their services. So I will set up a proper Bitcoin and lightning 1359 01:24:24,180 --> 01:24:28,830 QR code etc. experience for us to integrate into the homepage 1360 01:24:28,830 --> 01:24:30,090 of podcast index. org. 1361 01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:31,530 I'll be nice. 1362 01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:35,160 Yeah. So it's easier for people to send us just the other thing 1363 01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:37,380 we use was, I think, still something that came from Sphinx 1364 01:24:37,380 --> 01:24:37,830 chat. 1365 01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:41,130 Oh, yeah. The embed. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So 1366 01:24:41,250 --> 01:24:44,730 which is fine, but I think was time to upgrade. So what came 1367 01:24:44,850 --> 01:24:46,080 came in as cookbooks? 1368 01:24:46,500 --> 01:24:49,230 Well, we get we'll get a good group. Our bill this month, our 1369 01:24:49,230 --> 01:24:54,750 hosting bill is higher than normal. It's usually around 300. 1370 01:24:54,750 --> 01:24:56,670 But asking me 380 this month. 1371 01:24:56,820 --> 01:24:58,710 Oh, what did we do? Well, it's 1372 01:24:58,710 --> 01:25:03,450 from that date. database migration, we had to. So instead 1373 01:25:03,450 --> 01:25:07,170 of, you know, what I did was I spun up a new server that's our 1374 01:25:07,170 --> 01:25:11,790 biggest VM costliest server. So I spin up a new server and then 1375 01:25:11,790 --> 01:25:15,240 did in migrated the data from the old one to the new one. So I 1376 01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:19,320 left it running for a few weeks. I don't 1377 01:25:19,620 --> 01:25:23,190 I don't see any mention of this in your TPS report. 1378 01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:30,000 You didn't you don't remember. My rampant bitching about, about 1379 01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:31,740 the stupid database migrate? Yeah, 1380 01:25:31,740 --> 01:25:33,270 I think I heard some of that. Yeah. 1381 01:25:33,750 --> 01:25:35,340 And that was that was a noise have 1382 01:25:35,340 --> 01:25:36,480 taken days. 1383 01:25:37,170 --> 01:25:40,860 It was one of those things where it got all the way done and they 1384 01:25:40,860 --> 01:25:44,820 didn't fail. They get all the way down again, and it failed. 1385 01:25:44,820 --> 01:25:45,210 Again. 1386 01:25:45,269 --> 01:25:48,569 It's like trying to restore your Microsoft Windows 10 on the 1387 01:25:48,569 --> 01:25:53,939 laptop. From a backup, you know, it's like it's all the way Oh, 1388 01:25:53,939 --> 01:25:55,409 sorry. To start over. 1389 01:25:55,650 --> 01:26:00,330 Come to find out. restoring a 47 gig database is not a quick 1390 01:26:00,330 --> 01:26:00,870 process. 1391 01:26:01,110 --> 01:26:02,130 It's a lot of data, 1392 01:26:03,030 --> 01:26:08,910 a lot of data. But John's Bernheimer. He is helping us to 1393 01:26:08,910 --> 01:26:11,550 cover that he sent us $41 1394 01:26:11,610 --> 01:26:13,170 Wow. Thank you. Yeah, 1395 01:26:13,170 --> 01:26:16,770 he says, I'm a loyal listener who absolutely loves your work 1396 01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:19,740 and just listening into the discussions. Distributed work 1397 01:26:19,740 --> 01:26:22,380 like this needs to be kept alive. Please take the remnants 1398 01:26:22,380 --> 01:26:24,150 of my paypal account. You deserve it. 1399 01:26:24,180 --> 01:26:27,480 Yes. Thank you. Perfect. Empty out the wallet. Love it. Very 1400 01:26:27,480 --> 01:26:27,990 much, john. 1401 01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:34,980 Thanks, john. Oh, Dame Jennifer Buchanan. 1402 01:26:35,460 --> 01:26:40,890 Oh, man, she does so much. She doesn't have to talk. She's 1403 01:26:40,890 --> 01:26:42,990 doing more than just time and talent. She's doing the 1404 01:26:42,990 --> 01:26:43,890 treasure. Okay. 1405 01:26:45,930 --> 01:26:51,720 $33.33 he says in the morning, y'all. I'm loving listening to 1406 01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:56,160 your progress on pc 2.0 even though it has zero relevance to 1407 01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:59,610 me right now. I'm not a podcast or coder or a bit corner. But my 1408 01:26:59,610 --> 01:27:03,210 brain has a tickle from it. Someday I will figure out why. 1409 01:27:03,420 --> 01:27:06,960 Oh, but I will admit I have a thing for hot namespace talk. 1410 01:27:08,310 --> 01:27:11,700 We know why you're here, Jennifer. We know why you're 1411 01:27:11,700 --> 01:27:14,370 here. You just like the hot namespace talk. 1412 01:27:15,180 --> 01:27:16,620 Hugs and kisses named Jennifer. Ah, 1413 01:27:16,620 --> 01:27:17,820 thank you, Jennifer. So 1414 01:27:21,510 --> 01:27:26,670 let's see here. Okay, I had to get my oxygen tank for this 1415 01:27:27,450 --> 01:27:31,290 long note. Yes, it is. Is this from the show business show 1416 01:27:31,290 --> 01:27:31,740 guys. 1417 01:27:37,229 --> 01:27:40,679 Simon aronowitz I hope I'm saying your name right. I think 1418 01:27:40,679 --> 01:27:46,349 I am. For super cereal marketing. A they sent us $20 1419 01:27:46,349 --> 01:27:50,069 and he says the note says Hey, guys note note read coming. It's 1420 01:27:50,069 --> 01:27:55,559 shorter this time. Thank you. Okay. Yeah. He said in the 1421 01:27:55,559 --> 01:27:57,839 morning, Adam and Dave, I've tried to make this week's note 1422 01:27:58,109 --> 01:28:00,899 from get super cereal shorter than last week, you'll be happy 1423 01:28:00,899 --> 01:28:05,039 to know I didn't do a word count in case I failed. By the time 1424 01:28:05,039 --> 01:28:07,499 you say wait Dave, you have permission to disclose what I 1425 01:28:07,499 --> 01:28:10,319 write here and double check with the other party. By the time you 1426 01:28:10,919 --> 01:28:13,289 get to reading out this note. The second episode of the 1427 01:28:13,289 --> 01:28:15,779 business of the show business show should be available as a 1428 01:28:15,779 --> 01:28:20,579 podcast and as an online TV show. All all links can be found 1429 01:28:20,579 --> 01:28:24,269 at www dot show business dot show. Our guest this week was 1430 01:28:24,269 --> 01:28:27,389 Dave Jackson from the School of podcasting. And very 1431 01:28:27,389 --> 01:28:31,679 appropriately, we played a clip from Sunday's no agenda 1325 1432 01:28:32,189 --> 01:28:35,729 Adam the timecode for the episode is 221 and 17 seconds. 1433 01:28:37,199 --> 01:28:40,649 Think of this combination. I think of this combination. I 1434 01:28:40,649 --> 01:28:43,619 just listened to no agenda and Adams gripe about road not 1435 01:28:43,619 --> 01:28:47,609 giving him road caster Pro. Then knowing that we had Dave Jackson 1436 01:28:47,609 --> 01:28:50,369 booked for an interview. I was reading his book profit from 1437 01:28:50,369 --> 01:28:53,399 your podcast, his research. Adam, he dedicated the book to 1438 01:28:53,399 --> 01:28:57,839 you and Dave Weiner. Really? Then I read it. It didn't I read 1439 01:28:57,839 --> 01:29:02,879 in the book that Dave scored a free road caster pro What? So we 1440 01:29:02,879 --> 01:29:05,969 asked Dave what he did differently. It's worth a 1441 01:29:05,969 --> 01:29:08,909 listen, the timing was perfect was perfect again timecode 1442 01:29:09,270 --> 01:29:12,060 Well, I didn't I didn't ask for anything. 1443 01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:15,420 You had somebody asked for it on your behalf. 1444 01:29:15,450 --> 01:29:20,220 No one someone who's a dealer, a road dealer, I think in 1445 01:29:20,220 --> 01:29:25,860 Australia is where they are. had sent a clip of me saying man, I 1446 01:29:25,860 --> 01:29:29,910 could you know, I could fix this. Almost it's almost good. 1447 01:29:30,540 --> 01:29:33,930 And he sent it to the marketing department and got a Yeah, we're 1448 01:29:33,930 --> 01:29:36,480 not gonna pursue this. We're doing other things now. 1449 01:29:36,510 --> 01:29:38,010 It's like yeah, they gave you the middle finger 1450 01:29:38,100 --> 01:29:38,970 pretty much. 1451 01:29:40,770 --> 01:29:44,400 If any podcast 2.0 podcasting 2.0 listeners want to know about 1452 01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:47,910 profiting from their podcast. This second episode is the show 1453 01:29:47,910 --> 01:29:50,040 business show with Dave Jackson's another great episode 1454 01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:52,500 to understand what's going on right now and where things are 1455 01:29:52,500 --> 01:29:56,880 headed. Dave said somewhat tongue in cheek that if you want 1456 01:29:56,880 --> 01:30:01,170 to make money in podcasting, go into editing To wrap this 1457 01:30:01,170 --> 01:30:05,490 shorter note up. Number one podcast production is hell. 1458 01:30:05,730 --> 01:30:08,700 That's why I said that this episode should be available by 1459 01:30:08,700 --> 01:30:13,170 the time you read this. It's not held for this podcast. There is 1460 01:30:13,170 --> 01:30:15,360 no post production for this podcast, right? 1461 01:30:15,390 --> 01:30:16,530 We go live baby. 1462 01:30:16,859 --> 01:30:20,519 Yeah. Number two, Adam, we have some thoughts about streaming 1463 01:30:20,519 --> 01:30:23,699 value for value value, both with regard to one show we're 1464 01:30:23,699 --> 01:30:25,889 producing for a client and also more widely for the whole 1465 01:30:25,889 --> 01:30:29,339 ecosystem. So we want to have you as a guest on an upcoming 1466 01:30:29,339 --> 01:30:32,429 episode of show business show. Yes, we are video first and I 1467 01:30:32,429 --> 01:30:35,339 know you don't like that. But get this. Billy. My business 1468 01:30:35,339 --> 01:30:38,039 partner also has Tourette's knows. 1469 01:30:42,060 --> 01:30:44,550 Dude, we can tick off each other. It'd be hilarious. 1470 01:30:45,780 --> 01:30:50,940 it cracks me up the desk the end. Dude, 1471 01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:53,610 we got one of us has two rats join us. 1472 01:30:54,780 --> 01:30:57,300 We got one of you people too. Yeah, you're 1473 01:30:57,299 --> 01:31:00,869 one of us. Your family. That's brazen 1474 01:31:00,870 --> 01:31:01,680 man. I like it. 1475 01:31:01,710 --> 01:31:08,670 I appreciate that. Bold, very bold. Billy, my business partner 1476 01:31:08,670 --> 01:31:12,180 also has Tourette's and knows that if you know what to look 1477 01:31:12,180 --> 01:31:17,490 for, you can notice his takes on camera, Dave. Check with Billy 1478 01:31:17,490 --> 01:31:19,320 and he gave me full permission to share this. 1479 01:31:19,649 --> 01:31:22,949 Okay, that's hilarious. Yeah, that's all here's the problem. 1480 01:31:23,189 --> 01:31:25,439 Are they 2.0 certified? 1481 01:31:26,729 --> 01:31:27,989 And they have 1482 01:31:30,330 --> 01:31:31,830 somebody they need to be audited? 1483 01:31:32,130 --> 01:31:36,360 Well, I'm trying to find maybe it's all one word show business. 1484 01:31:36,780 --> 01:31:43,230 It's show business show. You know, I had trouble finding an 1485 01:31:43,230 --> 01:31:46,500 index too. And I ended up having to combine two words together. I 1486 01:31:46,500 --> 01:31:46,950 think 1487 01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:48,780 types show business 1488 01:31:49,620 --> 01:31:50,670 as one word. 1489 01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:58,170 No, I do show business as one word and I get two results. mici 1490 01:31:58,170 --> 01:32:02,190 Bach and man who Stein? Does their podcasts on own meet me 1491 01:32:02,190 --> 01:32:02,820 Chibok? 1492 01:32:03,810 --> 01:32:06,090 some reason I'm thinking that's not that's not the one. 1493 01:32:06,450 --> 01:32:07,830 So that's weird. 1494 01:32:08,430 --> 01:32:11,010 Well, I found them the other day, but it did. I did have to 1495 01:32:11,010 --> 01:32:14,430 search a couple times and see show business with a very 1496 01:32:14,610 --> 01:32:17,010 reasonable cost. 1497 01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:20,070 Sorry about that. That's my pod friend. No, no. 1498 01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:24,630 No, that is she means business the show that's not that easy. 1499 01:32:24,630 --> 01:32:24,810 If I 1500 01:32:24,810 --> 01:32:29,700 do show space business, I get nothing. No results. Right. 1501 01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:32,070 Yeah, we get to figure this out. 1502 01:32:32,100 --> 01:32:32,910 What's his name? 1503 01:32:34,050 --> 01:32:40,320 Simon Simon around with and it's show business show? is super 1504 01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:41,850 serial marketing is the 1505 01:32:42,300 --> 01:32:44,400 EU maybe a super cereal 1506 01:32:45,689 --> 01:32:46,349 basin? 1507 01:32:47,460 --> 01:32:51,030 Well, this is not what kind of index you running Dave Jones. 1508 01:32:51,210 --> 01:32:52,410 That's a piece of crap. 1509 01:32:54,390 --> 01:32:56,220 We got to figure out what's going on with that. 1510 01:32:57,450 --> 01:32:58,590 So my file a bug report. 1511 01:32:59,729 --> 01:33:02,819 Well, so to answer his question, of course, I'm flattered. I'd 1512 01:33:02,819 --> 01:33:05,279 love to be on your show. I think a Tourette's off would be 1513 01:33:05,279 --> 01:33:11,039 hilarious to tick off. That said, you do have to wait 1514 01:33:11,069 --> 01:33:16,259 because I've promised many other people mainly grime, Erica. But 1515 01:33:16,259 --> 01:33:20,159 also i'm going to do I'd like to max and Stacy again when we're 1516 01:33:20,159 --> 01:33:26,639 ready to launch some stuff. So I'm sure in the future 1517 01:33:26,789 --> 01:33:29,999 definitely. Got a lot of requests. 1518 01:33:30,569 --> 01:33:33,269 And and we understand where you're coming from. We'd love to 1519 01:33:33,269 --> 01:33:36,029 have you as a guest we'll see if we'd love to have you have the 1520 01:33:36,029 --> 01:33:39,809 guests video thing didn't put you off. When you did Rogen and 1521 01:33:39,809 --> 01:33:42,809 two we can work around it if you have to three A big thank you to 1522 01:33:42,809 --> 01:33:46,379 listeners of podcasting 2.0 who listened to our first episode, 1523 01:33:46,379 --> 01:33:49,439 we were pleasantly surprised by the stats. Oh, have a great 1524 01:33:49,439 --> 01:33:53,369 weekend. Everyone from the guys at WWW dot show business show. 1525 01:33:53,519 --> 01:33:57,449 Simon there aronowitz and Billy fansler Thanks, guys. Nice. 1526 01:33:57,450 --> 01:33:59,700 Thank you so much, gentlemen. Thanks very cool. 1527 01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:02,460 See 1528 01:34:02,700 --> 01:34:05,370 this show business show? How about that? Will that work? 1529 01:34:05,550 --> 01:34:06,990 Did that work? I don't know. 1530 01:34:08,340 --> 01:34:10,200 I'm just looking at their website right now. 1531 01:34:10,740 --> 01:34:12,840 The show business shit 1532 01:34:15,660 --> 01:34:20,310 I'm still not finding they have maybe the doing hyphens. I found 1533 01:34:20,310 --> 01:34:23,520 it I swear I found it the other day. Yeah, but this can't be 1534 01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:28,440 this hard. The dash show. business. I want to see it. 1535 01:34:29,490 --> 01:34:37,350 The business show. No. show business. Remember that no 1536 01:34:37,350 --> 01:34:39,630 matter no matter how I combined this No, I 1537 01:34:39,870 --> 01:34:42,690 can't get it either. I will absolutely do that one out. 1538 01:34:42,990 --> 01:34:46,230 It's too many. There's too many generic words. There's there's 1539 01:34:46,230 --> 01:34:54,540 nothing there. Okay. This is a $10 donation from Sterling 1540 01:34:54,540 --> 01:34:58,260 Ellsworth. And Sterling just says his home messages. 1541 01:34:58,500 --> 01:35:00,510 Everything Adam does is super Awesome. 1542 01:35:02,490 --> 01:35:05,400 And how much did I pay him to do that? No. 1543 01:35:07,620 --> 01:35:11,160 It's a wash. That's it. Oh, that's great. 1544 01:35:11,490 --> 01:35:16,800 Well, good group and we'd really appreciate it. value for value. 1545 01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:20,460 It's definitely the way forward price discovery of creative 1546 01:35:20,460 --> 01:35:25,380 stuff. Everything creative code is creative. extremely creative. 1547 01:35:26,100 --> 01:35:31,500 podcasting is creative. It's all creative. And it's hard to show 1548 01:35:31,500 --> 01:35:36,210 hard costs. So yeah, you know, Waldo you just did 380 a month. 1549 01:35:36,240 --> 01:35:40,890 Well, that's still very, very reasonable. 1550 01:35:42,270 --> 01:35:46,740 Yeah, our our expenses are basically the hosting costs, 1551 01:35:46,740 --> 01:35:53,850 which are roughly 300 to 350 a month. The cost of our email 1552 01:35:53,850 --> 01:36:00,750 accounts, which is about $5 a month. What else do we have? 1553 01:36:01,530 --> 01:36:04,080 Well, we we've been doing some legal stuff. 1554 01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:06,810 Oh, you have to get it to get Terms of Service and all that. 1555 01:36:06,810 --> 01:36:09,210 Yes. So don't go to jail. Yeah. 1556 01:36:10,229 --> 01:36:12,929 Or at least Eric doesn't go to jail. You and I were clear, man. 1557 01:36:12,929 --> 01:36:14,369 We're not going to jail. We're sending IRA 1558 01:36:16,979 --> 01:36:19,739 Rossi to jail. 1559 01:36:19,770 --> 01:36:20,790 We had nothing to do with it. 1560 01:36:21,270 --> 01:36:23,100 He would hold up better there anyway. 1561 01:36:24,240 --> 01:36:25,920 Yes. Which is sensitive. 1562 01:36:26,040 --> 01:36:30,720 Oh, my goodness. That's, that's pretty. That's pretty much it. I 1563 01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:34,590 think. And oh, no, I'm sorry. We've got got her CloudFlare 1564 01:36:34,650 --> 01:36:38,700 that's 20 bucks a month. And they were running. been running 1565 01:36:38,790 --> 01:36:40,590 somewhere south of 400 a month 1566 01:36:40,649 --> 01:36:43,829 easily. So good, man. That's unbelievably cool. Hey, now you 1567 01:36:43,829 --> 01:36:48,119 also have the the whole database dump on ipfs? 1568 01:36:48,630 --> 01:36:50,880 Oh, yeah, forget, I can't blame forgets all about that. That was 1569 01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:56,220 fun. That was a fun project. So it's in that it is really good 1570 01:36:56,220 --> 01:36:58,650 that we have lots of bandwidth headroom, because that's gonna 1571 01:36:58,650 --> 01:37:02,700 chew up some bandwidth clearly. But we have. So what it's doing 1572 01:37:02,700 --> 01:37:05,730 every night at midnight is it takes a dump of the database. 1573 01:37:06,780 --> 01:37:10,950 And all the it's just the feeds table. So all the feeds get 1574 01:37:10,950 --> 01:37:17,580 dumped into into a temporary file. And then they get imported 1575 01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:22,020 as a CSV. And then they get imported into a sequel lite 1576 01:37:22,260 --> 01:37:29,250 database. And this nasty, yeah. And then with a schema with the 1577 01:37:29,250 --> 01:37:32,160 table schema, and all that stuff gets imported into a sequel lite 1578 01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:38,130 database. And then, and then it gets tarred and jesup. And then 1579 01:37:38,130 --> 01:37:43,740 published to ipfs. And then our excuse me, added to ipfs. And 1580 01:37:43,740 --> 01:37:50,010 then published under an IP ns, a static new slate. Yeah. So it's 1581 01:37:50,010 --> 01:37:52,200 all it's all IP, ns ipfs? 1582 01:37:52,230 --> 01:37:55,260 Are people getting this through? ipfs? Or just through our 1583 01:37:55,260 --> 01:37:55,890 gateway? 1584 01:37:56,729 --> 01:37:59,339 Everybody seems to be getting it through ipfs because that's the 1585 01:37:59,339 --> 01:38:02,519 only way it's available. I mean, there's no HTTP downloaded this 1586 01:38:02,519 --> 01:38:06,569 thing. Alright. We're not providing a gateway. Now we're 1587 01:38:06,569 --> 01:38:08,369 using CloudFlare. ipfs. 1588 01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:13,650 Okay, excellent. Excellent. Wow. What is that costing us? 1589 01:38:14,430 --> 01:38:15,270 Nothing? 1590 01:38:15,689 --> 01:38:19,109 Well, I mean, it costs us a little bit $5 for a server. 1591 01:38:19,169 --> 01:38:19,409 Yeah. 1592 01:38:20,700 --> 01:38:23,610 $5 a month for a server? This is so the future? 1593 01:38:24,899 --> 01:38:31,859 Yeah, I think so. ipfs is such an exciting idea to me. It is to 1594 01:38:31,859 --> 01:38:35,609 me to the only thing is it just needs better DNS integration. 1595 01:38:36,569 --> 01:38:39,239 You know, there needs to be friendlier names for these 1596 01:38:39,239 --> 01:38:43,619 things. You know, a slash ad, he just can't tell somebody, well 1597 01:38:43,619 --> 01:38:46,649 go get it go to slash ipfs slash bla bla bla bla bla 1598 01:38:46,649 --> 01:38:49,649 bla bla bla, but for under the hood stuff, just for an 1599 01:38:49,649 --> 01:38:53,219 alternative enclosure? ipfs. Click, suck it down. 1600 01:38:54,210 --> 01:38:57,600 Oh, yeah, totally. That's an issue. The other the, you know, 1601 01:38:57,630 --> 01:38:59,970 because this is part of the master plan here. Because the 1602 01:38:59,970 --> 01:39:06,360 master plan is, at least in my mind, is put the all this like 1603 01:39:06,390 --> 01:39:09,960 this database. Now that we have the IP net, the IP ns addresses 1604 01:39:09,960 --> 01:39:13,890 the folder. Yeah. So it's a static address by folder. So 1605 01:39:13,890 --> 01:39:16,830 then now we have basically a static IP address mapping to 1606 01:39:16,830 --> 01:39:21,360 this folder. So what I plan to do is break the database up into 1607 01:39:21,360 --> 01:39:27,330 small chunks, so that there's like, maybe every 10,000 fields 1608 01:39:27,360 --> 01:39:32,160 is it separate as a separate chunk, oh, handy. And then what 1609 01:39:32,160 --> 01:39:36,060 we can do is start working on the distributed polling client, 1610 01:39:37,170 --> 01:39:39,330 to babbit come from all different places 1611 01:39:39,750 --> 01:39:43,620 to have every so that anybody who wants to run a polling agent 1612 01:39:43,620 --> 01:39:47,280 can can download it can download the agent onto a server or the 1613 01:39:47,280 --> 01:39:50,580 desktop or whatever, in the background. It will go out grab 1614 01:39:50,580 --> 01:39:55,050 a chunk of the database, bring it down and begin to slowly pull 1615 01:39:55,080 --> 01:39:58,800 the feeds in their chunk and then let us know if an update 1616 01:39:58,800 --> 01:40:04,830 has happened to that feed. Yeah, distributed aggregation. So 1617 01:40:05,099 --> 01:40:08,309 yeah, that's I thought hot namespace talk was everything 1618 01:40:08,309 --> 01:40:10,559 but when you get the sexy sequel light baby 1619 01:40:11,729 --> 01:40:17,999 distributed aggregation data hit the sexy boost or whatever that 1620 01:40:17,999 --> 01:40:18,269 is. 1621 01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:19,920 I don't have a 60 boost 1622 01:40:21,899 --> 01:40:26,069 that Yeah, no, that's, that's, um, I'm happy with that I think 1623 01:40:26,069 --> 01:40:29,549 this is the this is the first very exciting journey. 1624 01:40:29,700 --> 01:40:34,620 So just from a general focus, my takeaway from this board 1625 01:40:34,620 --> 01:40:38,550 meeting, since we're very bad at doing minutes, more 1626 01:40:39,540 --> 01:40:40,470 or less doing minutes 1627 01:40:42,780 --> 01:40:46,740 we have a period of several weeks, maybe a couple months, 1628 01:40:46,980 --> 01:40:49,410 where we're gonna have a lot of noise about other stuff in the 1629 01:40:49,410 --> 01:40:55,140 marketplace. You know, the I already see especially NF T's in 1630 01:40:55,560 --> 01:41:00,270 in clubhouse type stuff, I'd love to get a couple more 1631 01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:06,090 implementations of lightning and really get as much integration 1632 01:41:06,090 --> 01:41:09,390 with phase one and phase two of the namespace. So we have that 1633 01:41:09,390 --> 01:41:12,540 solid, you know, and then when people are ready, we're already 1634 01:41:12,540 --> 01:41:18,810 on to onto three and G In the meantime, audiobooks, all this 1635 01:41:18,810 --> 01:41:23,460 type of stuff and then I think once this is kind of up and 1636 01:41:23,460 --> 01:41:28,710 running and we have podcasters can point their listeners to 1637 01:41:28,710 --> 01:41:36,120 apps that are intuitive and understandable or they can say 1638 01:41:36,120 --> 01:41:38,850 to their app developer hey, these guys have it can you 1639 01:41:38,850 --> 01:41:42,630 integrate it and which is where hopefully airline pay comes in 1640 01:41:42,630 --> 01:41:48,690 as a solution then we go from there we go you know full in my 1641 01:41:48,690 --> 01:41:54,270 mind force Full speed ahead to alternate enclosure with ipfs 1642 01:41:54,630 --> 01:41:55,680 high on the agenda. 1643 01:41:56,760 --> 01:42:01,020 Go Yeah, no, I think that's that I approve these minutes. 1644 01:42:01,950 --> 01:42:05,910 I second them. Alright, that's it. All right, everybody where 1645 01:42:05,910 --> 01:42:07,170 we haven't been to drinks. 1646 01:42:10,050 --> 01:42:10,740 box lunches. 1647 01:42:12,479 --> 01:42:15,059 Hey, man, it's so good to catch up with you. I love it. I love 1648 01:42:15,059 --> 01:42:17,399 having guests on the show. But it's also nice for you me just 1649 01:42:17,399 --> 01:42:21,059 catch up. And so just so people know. This is literally our 1650 01:42:21,059 --> 01:42:24,689 ketchup. I don't do we talk any differently when we're just 1651 01:42:24,689 --> 01:42:26,039 talking privately on the phone? 1652 01:42:26,580 --> 01:42:29,520 Didn't notice exactly like this phone call? Yeah, 1653 01:42:29,910 --> 01:42:32,640 yeah, we did that. We just air our grievances about other 1654 01:42:32,640 --> 01:42:34,800 people. We just don't do that here. yet. 1655 01:42:37,410 --> 01:42:42,060 The the pot friend mug. I just want to say that that thing is 1656 01:42:42,300 --> 01:42:45,210 perfect size to fit one entire can of beer. 1657 01:42:47,250 --> 01:42:52,080 That's not what they drink up in. Martin's neck of the woods. 1658 01:42:52,080 --> 01:42:55,710 They drink something it looks like urine. But he says it's 1659 01:42:55,710 --> 01:43:00,600 lemonade. You saw it? You saw what was that glass? I like is 1660 01:43:00,600 --> 01:43:02,700 that beer? What are you drinking? Man? 1661 01:43:03,030 --> 01:43:05,460 I don't know what the name of that what that name was. It's 1662 01:43:05,460 --> 01:43:06,750 like coffee or something like 1663 01:43:08,910 --> 01:43:12,240 that with brown cheese. Which by the way that brown cheese is 1664 01:43:12,240 --> 01:43:15,570 dynamite. I think it's best if that's from maybe from Finland. 1665 01:43:16,440 --> 01:43:19,560 Around cheese. Probably a big mistake to confuse those 1666 01:43:19,560 --> 01:43:20,640 countries with stuff. 1667 01:43:21,120 --> 01:43:23,040 Yeah. Oh yeah. Your your dish now? 1668 01:43:23,099 --> 01:43:30,029 Yeah. Oh, well. defragment Alright, Dave, have a great 1669 01:43:30,029 --> 01:43:35,549 weekend and dude. Next week we go full bore into whatever comes 1670 01:43:35,549 --> 01:43:41,759 our way. Yeah, it's a new week. Look forward to seeing you back 1671 01:43:41,759 --> 01:43:44,999 here at the board meeting next Friday for podcasting 2.0 1672 01:43:44,999 --> 01:43:46,319 podcasts. index.org 1673 01:44:02,580 --> 01:44:07,140 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 visit podcast. 1674 01:44:08,280 --> 01:44:09,900 For more information.