1 00:00:00,539 --> 00:00:06,539 podcasting 2.0 for February 19 2021, Episode 25 can't drive 2 00:00:06,539 --> 00:00:15,209 55 Oh yes, this is the Friday I've been looking forward to 3 00:00:16,470 --> 00:00:17,670 it without power for 4 00:00:17,670 --> 00:00:18,660 a bit, you know, been 5 00:00:18,660 --> 00:00:19,830 freezing my butt off. 6 00:00:20,609 --> 00:00:21,929 You're not dead. I'm 7 00:00:21,930 --> 00:00:23,100 not dead. That's right. 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,929 And of course, it's not because I'm doing a podcast that I'm 9 00:00:27,989 --> 00:00:30,899 always looking forward to Friday just because I'm doing a board 10 00:00:30,899 --> 00:00:34,679 meeting of podcasting 2.0 podcast index.org I'm out of 11 00:00:34,679 --> 00:00:38,849 curry in Austin, Texas. And in Alabama, the man so powerful he 12 00:00:38,849 --> 00:00:42,479 controls the podcast climate my friend on the other end. 13 00:00:46,530 --> 00:00:51,150 Crisis averted. We solve the climate crisis. By crisis. I 14 00:00:51,150 --> 00:00:54,420 mean, the fact that Apple doesn't have a climate category, 15 00:00:55,200 --> 00:01:01,770 I must say Dave Jones for a dude named Ben IT admin guy. Yeah, 16 00:01:01,770 --> 00:01:05,310 right. There's a there's a business. There's a shrewd 17 00:01:05,310 --> 00:01:08,760 business executive marketing guy hiding under all those layers. 18 00:01:08,940 --> 00:01:10,290 No, yeah, sure. 19 00:01:11,070 --> 00:01:11,700 That's me. 20 00:01:13,110 --> 00:01:16,890 Let me tell you how I experienced this. Now we could 21 00:01:16,890 --> 00:01:19,110 talk about my week later on. It's not that interesting is 22 00:01:19,110 --> 00:01:22,050 just I was out of the loop. I was really out of the loop, 23 00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:27,810 literally out of the power loop. So then I'm studying energy 24 00:01:27,810 --> 00:01:30,930 sources and all this and so I'm finally getting back into Okay, 25 00:01:30,930 --> 00:01:34,230 what can I check in when I could on on the mastodon 26 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:36,900 look at podcasting? Still a thing is this. Yeah. 27 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,550 I'm still moving. Actually. I'm like, cool. Has anyone 28 00:01:41,550 --> 00:01:44,370 implemented lightning yet? Okay. All right, keep going. 29 00:01:46,020 --> 00:01:48,750 And then I see this posting Oh, do you added climate and then 30 00:01:48,750 --> 00:01:51,120 it's like, Oh, that's interesting. And I again, I 31 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,660 wasn't quite in the in the full on mode. And then I see Cridland 32 00:01:54,660 --> 00:01:57,930 posting something, which I immediately perceived as snark. 33 00:01:57,930 --> 00:02:01,530 I'm like, Oh, what's this? And so there's this whole group that 34 00:02:01,530 --> 00:02:07,080 has been begging for a climate tag. Yeah. And, and kind of hits 35 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:12,120 me like, Oh, my, this, this is like a huge tipping point. And 36 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,900 let me just take it one step further. Because then I was 37 00:02:15,900 --> 00:02:18,540 listening to pod land this morning. I was listening to pod 38 00:02:18,540 --> 00:02:21,780 land when I'm taking a shower. So perfect layouts a little bit 39 00:02:21,780 --> 00:02:25,500 longer. But, you know, and and, and he's got chapters now and 40 00:02:25,500 --> 00:02:27,990 I'm doing what I hate the most isn't like, Oh, I want to jump 41 00:02:27,990 --> 00:02:30,420 to the interviews with Tom Ross. He was I don't talk about that. 42 00:02:32,190 --> 00:02:33,240 Yet, that's good. 43 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:38,370 Oh, it was great interview, but then the tags come up. And, and 44 00:02:38,370 --> 00:02:41,370 here's how it was presented, which I just thought was 45 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:45,600 amusing. You know, so here's the controversy. These guys wanted 46 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:50,430 that. But you always have to kiss apples as anyone who would 47 00:02:50,430 --> 00:02:54,000 really want the climate tag, and then who's, uh, who's the other 48 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,850 host? James's co host, Sam. 49 00:02:57,780 --> 00:03:00,120 Sam said he's gonna be on we've we're gonna have him on the show 50 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:01,860 in about a month, I think, 51 00:03:02,039 --> 00:03:06,119 Oh, cool. Well, he says, Well, you know, President Trump 52 00:03:06,119 --> 00:03:08,789 wouldn't want that he wouldn't want that tag. And then Cridland 53 00:03:08,789 --> 00:03:11,819 goes, Oh, yeah. And if you ever talked to Adam Curry don't bring 54 00:03:11,819 --> 00:03:12,779 up climate 55 00:03:15,870 --> 00:03:20,340 hadn't even entered my mind. I'm like, Oh, my God, this is so 56 00:03:20,340 --> 00:03:23,580 polarizing. Like, this is great. This, 57 00:03:24,750 --> 00:03:28,620 like, I'm almost completely climate agnostic. I mean, like, 58 00:03:28,650 --> 00:03:32,700 I don't, you know, I'm, I don't know enough about it to speak to 59 00:03:32,700 --> 00:03:36,720 it at all. And, you know, I mean, I've got my own thoughts, 60 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,080 but I don't even have enough real confidence in it to speak, 61 00:03:40,230 --> 00:03:44,160 to speak. You know, about it as if I know anything, but um, you 62 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,680 know, but I don't really care. I mean, like, that doesn't have to 63 00:03:46,740 --> 00:03:51,090 even like, the climate, the climate category, I think, 64 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:55,020 is a good idea. It's a great idea. It's, it has nothing to do 65 00:03:55,020 --> 00:03:58,380 with climate change or anything like that. Yeah. But here's, 66 00:03:58,410 --> 00:04:04,530 here's what became so obvious to me. And Bless you, Tom Rossi, 67 00:04:04,530 --> 00:04:10,590 because this kind of came up in the interview portion. Now. So I 68 00:04:10,590 --> 00:04:12,630 haven't looked too deeply into it. But there's this whole 69 00:04:12,630 --> 00:04:16,170 initiative that wants the climate tag and they've started 70 00:04:16,170 --> 00:04:21,180 what is it podcasters for change or something like that and 71 00:04:21,390 --> 00:04:25,500 declare podcasters podcasters declare, that's what is that's 72 00:04:25,500 --> 00:04:25,950 what it is. Yeah, I 73 00:04:25,950 --> 00:04:28,380 wanna I want to let me just bring this up here first Good 74 00:04:28,380 --> 00:04:28,710 choice 75 00:04:28,710 --> 00:04:31,740 on a domain name, by the way, because that that leaves it that 76 00:04:31,740 --> 00:04:34,410 doesn't tied to just climate, you can declare lots of things 77 00:04:34,530 --> 00:04:37,740 like you can declare different things in the future. It's like 78 00:04:37,740 --> 00:04:39,780 podcasters declared calm thing, right? 79 00:04:39,780 --> 00:04:43,080 Yeah, here it is. I'm going to put it on the show notes for a 80 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:47,400 second. I have that they're podcasters we've got a real true 81 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:51,270 crime on our hands. Apple has no climate category, but this open 82 00:04:51,270 --> 00:04:53,040 letter changes everything. 83 00:04:54,570 --> 00:04:55,980 This campaign PR 84 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,450 big letters to this campaign is for podcasters this See the 85 00:05:00,450 --> 00:05:03,270 benefit of a climate category. So you either listen to climate 86 00:05:03,270 --> 00:05:06,300 podcasts, make them or just want to support them. And then it 87 00:05:06,300 --> 00:05:09,030 goes as here's the problem. Apple doesn't have a climate 88 00:05:09,030 --> 00:05:11,970 category. So it's too damn hard for listeners to find what 89 00:05:11,970 --> 00:05:14,850 they're looking for. This open letter will change that. Okay, 90 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:21,930 so then when was this not mixing up two conversations now 91 00:05:21,930 --> 00:05:24,750 probably because I was also listening to Marty with Tales 92 00:05:24,750 --> 00:05:30,570 from the trip. But Winterbottom Rossi comes on. And they're 93 00:05:30,810 --> 00:05:34,680 talking about all the things that buzzsprout has implemented 94 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:39,720 for the namespace. Right? And now it hits me even though we've 95 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:44,670 had Tom on the show. If you listen to him, he has a cadence 96 00:05:44,700 --> 00:05:50,010 and a tom bruh. That very liberal, 97 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:54,000 yes. And what is it? Like? Just made it an ember? 98 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:56,100 I'm just I made it up. 99 00:05:56,490 --> 00:05:57,420 Okay, I'll go with this. 100 00:05:57,780 --> 00:06:01,410 How about this, he has a resonance in his voice, the 101 00:06:01,410 --> 00:06:07,500 pitch, and the cadence is very close to that of Steve Jobs. And 102 00:06:07,500 --> 00:06:11,610 I was enchanted by it. And I was enchanted by it. Now, and it 103 00:06:11,610 --> 00:06:13,920 doesn't make sense to I thought about pulling a clip, but you 104 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,680 really gotta listen to uh, you know, you got to listen to it 105 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,620 over a couple minutes. You're like, shit, man. It's like It's 106 00:06:19,620 --> 00:06:24,300 like a very, almost between Steve Jobs calm how I've met him 107 00:06:24,300 --> 00:06:26,610 and Steve Jobs presenting. It's very interesting. 108 00:06:27,060 --> 00:06:33,210 I agree with that. He had a had a, me and Tom did a, like a zoom 109 00:06:33,210 --> 00:06:36,570 call thing. About a week and a half ago, he was helping me kind 110 00:06:36,570 --> 00:06:40,410 of get up and get up and go and on, on Ruby in order to do the 111 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,830 web project. And so he was like, kind of talking, talking me 112 00:06:43,830 --> 00:06:47,010 through some stuff. And yeah, he's like, it's like calm Steve 113 00:06:47,010 --> 00:06:50,700 Jobs, I felt, I felt it made me feel good about my lack of 114 00:06:50,700 --> 00:06:51,600 knowledge. Here's 115 00:06:51,599 --> 00:06:55,589 how good he made me feel. So I'm listening to all the tags 116 00:06:55,589 --> 00:07:01,859 they've implemented, and have built tools for you know, with 117 00:07:02,069 --> 00:07:05,279 with chapters, well, of course, they are the the genesis of the 118 00:07:05,489 --> 00:07:10,199 of the transcript, but the person tag the what have they 119 00:07:10,199 --> 00:07:16,709 got the Bose sound by sound bites Exactly. location. And I'm 120 00:07:16,709 --> 00:07:20,279 just listening to this and like, and his philosophy and how they 121 00:07:20,549 --> 00:07:24,029 saw it was happening. And he's and what he was, in essence, 122 00:07:24,029 --> 00:07:29,039 saying tying it back to the climate tag, is, once we have a 123 00:07:29,039 --> 00:07:32,819 market enough of a market of apps that are implementing 124 00:07:32,819 --> 00:07:36,359 these, and I'm seeing it, I mean to me, and I'm we're very close 125 00:07:36,359 --> 00:07:39,719 to it, but I'm seeing what hyper catcher does, I'm seeing what 126 00:07:39,779 --> 00:07:47,459 pod verse does all, of course, a pod friend. And I'm seeing the 127 00:07:47,459 --> 00:07:50,909 common static, yes. And I've seen the content show up, I'm 128 00:07:50,939 --> 00:07:54,149 seeing people tweeting me saying, Oh, you know, I use 129 00:07:54,149 --> 00:07:57,839 podcast attic. And I want this functionality, I'm going to go 130 00:07:57,839 --> 00:08:04,079 over to buzzsprout. And right now buzzsprout is, is the 131 00:08:04,079 --> 00:08:10,289 backbone, I daresay, of the podcasting 2.0 revolution, they 132 00:08:10,289 --> 00:08:14,939 are providing 90,000 people with the ability to add all of this 133 00:08:14,969 --> 00:08:21,329 content, and here is what will happen. It only takes a few. And 134 00:08:21,329 --> 00:08:25,949 I'm hoping it's going to be NPR and maybe it will be NPR if we 135 00:08:25,949 --> 00:08:30,299 can implement the climate tag. It's such a small issue for them 136 00:08:31,019 --> 00:08:34,349 to promote their podcast with these enhanced features 137 00:08:34,439 --> 00:08:42,059 available on x, y z apps, so that people can still enjoy 138 00:08:42,059 --> 00:08:46,529 whatever they want to on Apple or Spotify. But any of these 139 00:08:46,529 --> 00:08:49,949 other apps will give them the enhancement and, and I think 140 00:08:49,949 --> 00:08:53,429 they can drive that audience I think they can and so what I was 141 00:08:53,429 --> 00:08:56,999 thinking is I want to build on this and take it one step 142 00:08:56,999 --> 00:09:04,049 further. And I want to switch start with this feed but I want 143 00:09:04,049 --> 00:09:07,889 to do it for no agenda, I want to switch my feed creation to 144 00:09:07,889 --> 00:09:12,809 buzzsprout they already do more than I can do with the freedom 145 00:09:12,809 --> 00:09:17,129 controller which is nothing but just a lack of resources, which 146 00:09:17,129 --> 00:09:20,999 is but you know, these guys are building the tools along with 147 00:09:20,999 --> 00:09:25,409 it. And I want to now they don't have the value block but I want 148 00:09:25,409 --> 00:09:31,109 to put them in my value block because they won't charge me so 149 00:09:31,109 --> 00:09:34,559 I just want to put them into a value block and let's just see 150 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:36,299 how that works. But they need 151 00:09:36,300 --> 00:09:37,080 a node right 152 00:09:37,710 --> 00:09:41,010 we'll give them a note that says I'm an expert now giving people 153 00:09:41,010 --> 00:09:50,460 nodes code man give me the Bitcoin yo I'll pay in Bitcoin 154 00:09:50,460 --> 00:09:51,000 is true. 155 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,230 Which reminds me David, you need to send us your note that day. 156 00:09:56,190 --> 00:10:02,340 David Piper killer Yeah. So that we I can kind of see what now I 157 00:10:02,340 --> 00:10:06,720 don't want to move. I want to keep the feed hosted. And this 158 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,420 is why I also want to put them in the value blocks, I just want 159 00:10:09,420 --> 00:10:12,810 their creation tool. So I need to be able to get my feet out 160 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,390 and then upload it to our own system, which is also going to 161 00:10:15,390 --> 00:10:17,370 save them that shit ton of money. I don't want it, you 162 00:10:17,370 --> 00:10:20,880 know, I can put my mp3 is on their system, just the creation 163 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:26,250 tool. So I need some help with importing it, you know, will it 164 00:10:26,250 --> 00:10:28,710 still work with the community chapters that are being done? 165 00:10:28,710 --> 00:10:31,260 Now? I think we can. In that transition, we might be able to 166 00:10:31,260 --> 00:10:35,850 solve some other problems with these community based features. 167 00:10:35,910 --> 00:10:37,650 Does that make sense? Oh, yeah, no, 168 00:10:37,650 --> 00:10:40,410 I think that's a great idea. Because they've got what was 169 00:10:40,410 --> 00:10:43,050 holding it back before if they didn't have a couple of things 170 00:10:43,050 --> 00:10:46,590 that you needed, like images and the chapters, and some of that, 171 00:10:46,590 --> 00:10:52,680 but now that, you know, now that we've got Well, if you're doing 172 00:10:52,680 --> 00:10:55,890 community chapters, though, I don't think they did, you can 173 00:10:55,890 --> 00:11:00,390 just stick a chapter URL in their chapter file URL, 174 00:11:00,450 --> 00:11:03,300 oh, this has to be figured out. And it's also important for 175 00:11:03,300 --> 00:11:08,520 moving forward. When someone I mean, these types of additional 176 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:13,620 features create enormous lock in on the platform side, because 177 00:11:13,680 --> 00:11:16,980 the VAT and not because they're locked in with a key and Haha, 178 00:11:16,980 --> 00:11:20,700 we have you, it's because they have excellent tools, we still 179 00:11:20,700 --> 00:11:23,400 should make it or they I mean, I can't tell tell them how to run 180 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:28,620 their business. But they should probably make it easy for people 181 00:11:28,620 --> 00:11:32,970 to migrate something somehow. Now, back to the original point 182 00:11:32,970 --> 00:11:42,090 I'm making. We, the hosting companies have always had their 183 00:11:42,090 --> 00:11:49,380 eye on Apple. The podcast apps, or have developers have always 184 00:11:49,380 --> 00:11:55,200 been the sickly brother with with the plague down below, who 185 00:11:55,290 --> 00:11:57,660 are like, oh, what are those guys doing? What are those guys 186 00:11:57,660 --> 00:12:00,240 doing and then trying to creating their own little world 187 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:04,320 with enhanced audio features and speed listening, that's actually 188 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,950 been quite beneficial. Because, you know, there's been so much 189 00:12:08,310 --> 00:12:11,460 time just to develop anything that would be a feature that 190 00:12:11,460 --> 00:12:14,130 that autumn, that's just the nature of it, you know, and and 191 00:12:14,130 --> 00:12:20,340 people create that what neither of those parties considered was 192 00:12:20,370 --> 00:12:25,290 the content. So I believe you can dry because I'm a podcaster 193 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:31,110 I believe I can drive people to consume my enhanced content on 194 00:12:31,290 --> 00:12:36,690 on applications and through systems that support that. And I 195 00:12:36,690 --> 00:12:39,180 may not be able to drive everybody, but I certainly can 196 00:12:39,180 --> 00:12:44,700 drive a lot. And I know, I know this because when there's 197 00:12:44,700 --> 00:12:48,180 something cool happening, maybe not necessarily with podcasting, 198 00:12:48,180 --> 00:12:52,410 people tell me because they've heard it on some other podcast, 199 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,250 it has a network effect. And I'm already seeing this with some of 200 00:12:56,250 --> 00:12:59,640 these features that we have with with the the chapters now. 201 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:03,450 buzzsprout added the images. These images are starting to 202 00:13:03,450 --> 00:13:06,930 delight people just today. I didn't know this, but on my lock 203 00:13:06,930 --> 00:13:11,220 screen, I saw the pod land. Image change. 204 00:13:11,730 --> 00:13:12,510 Oh, cool. 205 00:13:12,540 --> 00:13:17,580 Yeah. You know, based upon the chapter, so the audience will 206 00:13:17,580 --> 00:13:21,810 drive this and, and we're coming, it's coming together so 207 00:13:21,810 --> 00:13:25,500 well. So I can help drive that I have a pretty large audience. 208 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:31,230 For the value block, you know, there's no secret that I want to 209 00:13:31,350 --> 00:13:35,310 we already have max Kaiser, Max and Stacy, they're already 210 00:13:35,310 --> 00:13:38,340 seeing sat streaming, but it's mainly, I would say only from 211 00:13:38,340 --> 00:13:42,690 Sphinx. I don't man from pod station from me, because that's 212 00:13:42,690 --> 00:13:47,550 my main pod station. podcasts that I listened to orange pill 213 00:13:47,550 --> 00:13:51,780 podcast. But you know, we've we've got this about ready to 214 00:13:51,780 --> 00:13:58,020 open up and and I guess what I'm saying is be prepared, because 215 00:13:58,020 --> 00:14:00,780 we will push these guys out of the way they're either going to 216 00:14:00,780 --> 00:14:03,810 adapt, or God knows what they're going to do. But they're not 217 00:14:03,810 --> 00:14:06,750 going to be able to keep up. This is going to be very easy to 218 00:14:06,750 --> 00:14:08,850 certain point. I can feel it in my bones. 219 00:14:09,210 --> 00:14:14,910 Well, the climate thing, the climate tag category tag. I did 220 00:14:14,910 --> 00:14:17,640 for a couple of reasons. Like I did it quickly for a couple of 221 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:22,320 reasons. One was I thought it was a good idea. And I'd love a 222 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,630 climate tag because I'd like to I'd like to 223 00:14:24,870 --> 00:14:27,360 pay I just I just sat through some climate here. I'd like to 224 00:14:27,690 --> 00:14:30,450 Yeah, it's you know, where there's not climate but I'm 225 00:14:30,450 --> 00:14:31,740 interested in learning. Yeah. 226 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:41,280 You know, number two, I did it to show how much faster the the 227 00:14:41,310 --> 00:14:45,270 open podcast ecosystem can respond when you don't have to 228 00:14:45,270 --> 00:14:50,670 wait on a company to make a decision. Exactly. And I think 229 00:14:50,820 --> 00:14:53,670 that's, that's just like, Oh, yeah, duh. That's easy to say. 230 00:14:53,790 --> 00:15:02,520 But I think there's a nuance there is It's sort of shameful 231 00:15:03,450 --> 00:15:13,170 that this group had to buy a domain and build a website and 232 00:15:13,500 --> 00:15:19,290 do an open letter and spend more than five minutes of their life. 233 00:15:19,620 --> 00:15:26,640 Yeah, creating a thing, just to petition and beg Apple to do 234 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:32,160 something. Well, that exposes a serious problem. Oh, Apple does 235 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:38,280 not own podcasting. No company does. And so they're for for, 236 00:15:38,580 --> 00:15:42,510 for somebody to have to go to a private company and beg them to 237 00:15:42,510 --> 00:15:47,610 do something. doesn't make any sense in this context. Nope. I 238 00:15:47,610 --> 00:15:50,670 mean, like, if you're, if you want them to add a feature to 239 00:15:50,670 --> 00:15:54,810 Apple podcast app, yes, that makes sense. But if you want 240 00:15:54,810 --> 00:16:00,540 them to add a feature into the podcasting, XML itself, well, 241 00:16:00,690 --> 00:16:04,260 what you shouldn't exist, they don't own that that's not 242 00:16:04,260 --> 00:16:07,650 theirs. It doesn't belong to them. It belongs to all of 243 00:16:07,650 --> 00:16:10,830 podcasting as an ecosystem. So like, they should be able to 244 00:16:10,830 --> 00:16:14,070 just instead of spending all this time and money to do all 245 00:16:14,100 --> 00:16:17,280 this kind of stuff, should have been able to say, oh, here's the 246 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:21,540 podcast namespace. Hey, guys, we should put this in and it would 247 00:16:21,540 --> 00:16:22,470 have taken like a day. 248 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,940 So this, I think this is all part of a much deeper issue. I 249 00:16:26,940 --> 00:16:29,310 don't know if it's a problem. But I do see it as it kind of 250 00:16:29,310 --> 00:16:33,540 goes back to my mom can't use it. You know that something is 251 00:16:34,590 --> 00:16:36,960 when someone says that I've heard this all my life. Well, my 252 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:40,230 mom can't use it. And I finally come almost I did on the show, 253 00:16:40,230 --> 00:16:42,660 but I think the right answer is, I'm sorry, man, what's wrong 254 00:16:42,660 --> 00:16:45,360 with your mom? Is she learning disabled? Or what's going on 255 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:51,180 with her? That's the correct answer. But in you know, you and 256 00:16:51,180 --> 00:16:55,740 I are a little older, we've been around podcasting, you know, 16 257 00:16:55,770 --> 00:16:59,220 years, this, this is much more than half of most podcasters 258 00:16:59,220 --> 00:17:04,110 lives in this thing has been around. Or they've only been 259 00:17:04,110 --> 00:17:08,790 around for half of it. I mean, there's, there's, you know, I 260 00:17:08,790 --> 00:17:12,300 learned this during our during our blackout here, the people 261 00:17:12,300 --> 00:17:15,870 have become so and you as an admin know this, I've become so 262 00:17:15,870 --> 00:17:19,470 spoiled by technology, and oh, it'll just work. It just works 263 00:17:19,470 --> 00:17:22,860 like an Etch A Sketch, just shake it and it just works. And, 264 00:17:22,860 --> 00:17:25,590 you know, you see the stupidity all the time. And you know, the 265 00:17:25,590 --> 00:17:28,500 classic example being my password, they won't accept my 266 00:17:28,500 --> 00:17:30,960 password will click the caps lock off. You know, that's, 267 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,980 that's like a classic. But when I realized that very intelligent 268 00:17:34,980 --> 00:17:40,170 people who I like my neighbors, and people who I love my family, 269 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:45,780 many of them could not connect the idea of lighting a stove, a 270 00:17:45,780 --> 00:17:50,400 gas stove, with anything other than the electric starter. It 271 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,830 was when people say like, I can't use my stove, because I 272 00:17:52,830 --> 00:17:55,020 can't get it lit because you know, the the starter won't 273 00:17:55,020 --> 00:17:55,500 fire. 274 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,520 Okay, I've been warning about this for for a long time. And 275 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:04,320 people just think I'm a crank, like, because I would definitely 276 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:09,870 fall into the category of cranky, cranky old tea guy. 277 00:18:09,930 --> 00:18:14,100 Okay. So like when I when I start being a bitch and about 278 00:18:14,100 --> 00:18:17,250 things, just kind of roll. But I've been, you know, grappling 279 00:18:17,250 --> 00:18:20,130 about this for a while is the more of what you hear in the 280 00:18:20,130 --> 00:18:24,300 business world is, oh, the young people, they're so tech savvy. 281 00:18:24,570 --> 00:18:29,790 No, they're not right. They're absolutely 100% not tech savvy. 282 00:18:30,030 --> 00:18:35,040 They have lots of devices. And they have lots of apps. But that 283 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,730 is not the same thing as being tech savvy. I mean, my mom 284 00:18:38,730 --> 00:18:42,840 downloaded Chrome. She has no idea what how she did that or 285 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,320 what she did. I mean, like that. You can do lots of things 286 00:18:46,590 --> 00:18:49,320 without actually knowing anything about the way it works. 287 00:18:49,410 --> 00:18:53,340 And though and I think it's worse now than it was then 288 00:18:53,340 --> 00:18:57,600 because but back then you were forced to have to learn pieces 289 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,190 of the system to understand what 290 00:18:59,190 --> 00:19:00,780 was working underneath. Yes, 291 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,200 yes. So you boot your computer up and you get some crazy IR q 292 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:08,850 conflict, you know, air you need, you gotta go before you 293 00:19:08,850 --> 00:19:11,490 know it. I mean, you know, 30 minutes later, you're in a 294 00:19:11,610 --> 00:19:15,210 config dot sis file, trying to figure out what you know, high, 295 00:19:15,210 --> 00:19:19,440 medium, low, drop me a memory driver. And, but you actually 296 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,110 have to learn something in that process. And people kind of knew 297 00:19:22,260 --> 00:19:26,310 what that stuff was back then. To a certain degree nowadays. 298 00:19:27,060 --> 00:19:30,510 You can't even get to that stuff, and things break. And 299 00:19:30,510 --> 00:19:34,440 it's just like, I have Okay, rebooted a few times. That 300 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,840 didn't work. I guess I got to get a new phone. Right. I mean, 301 00:19:37,050 --> 00:19:42,210 it's to that level, it's gotten it's gotten worse. But yeah, and 302 00:19:42,210 --> 00:19:44,910 I know what you're saying about the about that has expanded to 303 00:19:44,910 --> 00:19:48,270 like a more general tech illiteracy is not involved with 304 00:19:48,270 --> 00:19:53,130 computers, but more just like, even just household day to day 305 00:19:53,130 --> 00:19:53,820 stuff. 306 00:19:54,090 --> 00:19:58,890 So that's why my response when you say correctly, that it 307 00:19:58,890 --> 00:20:01,620 shouldn't take more than five minutes of these people's time 308 00:20:01,860 --> 00:20:05,670 even thinking about this, it's because there is no literacy of 309 00:20:05,670 --> 00:20:12,030 the system. Our system is counter to the entire concept of 310 00:20:12,270 --> 00:20:16,110 technology, which is Silicon Valley, and you have a device 311 00:20:16,110 --> 00:20:21,600 that connects to them. The idea of truly decentralized, isn't 312 00:20:21,930 --> 00:20:26,700 it? People can't grasp it. And they go to the results, you 313 00:20:26,700 --> 00:20:30,120 know. So it's like, well, it's like someone saying, well, the 314 00:20:30,120 --> 00:20:34,230 internet's not working. That's the result. Yeah, the internet 315 00:20:34,230 --> 00:20:38,400 is not working. Or I often hear my internet when someone says, 316 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,610 my internet is not working, I've now learned, oh, something's 317 00:20:41,610 --> 00:20:45,900 wrong with your browser. And this is this, we see this tech 318 00:20:45,930 --> 00:20:49,920 illiteracy popping up in Australia, with the Facebook 319 00:20:50,220 --> 00:20:55,650 banning of, of news sharing. And, and I'm like, Oh, my God, 320 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:59,490 people do not realize what a browser is anymore. They only 321 00:20:59,490 --> 00:21:02,010 have apps, they don't understand what a browser is. 322 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:07,350 I'm glad you brought this up. Because that that was I spent, I 323 00:21:07,350 --> 00:21:11,580 spent half the night last night just like thinking about this 324 00:21:11,580 --> 00:21:15,930 topic and looking at articles and just kind of getting getting 325 00:21:15,930 --> 00:21:20,040 my head around this. And I think, I think this is, this is 326 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,110 huge. Number one, I think Facebook's making a terrible 327 00:21:22,110 --> 00:21:29,100 mistake. They this is this is a horrible mistake you. You don't 328 00:21:29,100 --> 00:21:33,240 ever want to show people that they can live without you. 329 00:21:33,810 --> 00:21:37,470 That's not a good decision for somebody who is in the market 330 00:21:37,470 --> 00:21:41,400 position of dominance that they are. If you if this goes on for 331 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:46,410 very long. People are going to just here's a perfect example. 332 00:21:47,610 --> 00:21:51,480 This is a see if I can find it in this article that this guy 333 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,950 says, Oh, yeah, Max looms. Loomis, a 25 year old research 334 00:21:55,950 --> 00:21:59,400 assistant in Sydney, said he'll revert to an old strategy to 335 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,460 stay informed and set his homepage on his web browser to a 336 00:22:02,460 --> 00:22:03,690 newspapers website. 337 00:22:03,719 --> 00:22:10,889 Wow. What a car. We just went in a third 25 year circle. That was 338 00:22:10,889 --> 00:22:11,219 great. 339 00:22:11,550 --> 00:22:15,210 Listen to what he says. He says it's what my dad used to do. Oh 340 00:22:15,210 --> 00:22:20,760 my goodness, everybody, we come up on grandpa's lap. I'll tell 341 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,950 you how it used to be in the old days of the internet. Before we 342 00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:27,180 had Yahoo. We had made our own homepage as with HTML with blink 343 00:22:27,180 --> 00:22:29,250 tags. marquee 344 00:22:31,470 --> 00:22:32,250 iframe. 345 00:22:33,930 --> 00:22:37,830 It says it's what my dad used to do, said Mr. Loomis, who 346 00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:41,040 previously would read news and share articles on Facebook 347 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,820 multiple times a day. He says, I think I'll reduce my Facebook 348 00:22:44,820 --> 00:22:48,780 use quite substantially. Yeah, if your Facebook that is not 349 00:22:48,780 --> 00:22:53,490 what you want to hear. If Facebook has miscalculated this 350 00:22:53,490 --> 00:22:59,280 situation, I think like Google, Google's going in the opposite 351 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,380 direction. You know, they're saying, Oh, yeah, we'll pay 352 00:23:01,380 --> 00:23:07,050 people. We have mountains and mountains of cash, we will pay 353 00:23:07,050 --> 00:23:10,920 people in order to preserve our market position. Sure. And 354 00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:13,980 because we don't want people to see that they can have a life 355 00:23:14,010 --> 00:23:20,220 outside of us. And Facebook is literally so full of themselves. 356 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,250 If they think that this is going to work, they don't they don't 357 00:23:23,250 --> 00:23:26,700 realize that they don't have the protection. So this is similar 358 00:23:26,700 --> 00:23:30,870 to like a dish network or DirecTV having a dispute with a 359 00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:34,140 broadcast. broadcaster. Yes. 360 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,680 old model. Yeah, very old model. 361 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,590 But they don't have the same protections that those guys do. 362 00:23:40,620 --> 00:23:40,890 No, no, 363 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,080 it's, it's called smoking your own dope. 364 00:23:44,100 --> 00:23:45,630 Yeah, for real? Yeah. 365 00:23:46,140 --> 00:23:52,740 I I had this list yesterday on no agenda of what we've been, I 366 00:23:52,740 --> 00:23:56,220 would say in 2020. And then anybody can argue the validity 367 00:23:56,220 --> 00:24:01,950 of each individual one but I could say in 20 2021 we have 368 00:24:01,950 --> 00:24:08,100 learned about the following corrupt institutions corrupt and 369 00:24:08,100 --> 00:24:12,450 no good and just maybe a better word this shit How about that? 370 00:24:13,860 --> 00:24:19,890 education, teachers, teachers, unions, the curriculum Common 371 00:24:19,890 --> 00:24:24,570 Core all of this going on in, in higher education, politicians 372 00:24:24,570 --> 00:24:29,220 corrupt with and entwined with China like mitch mcconnell 373 00:24:29,940 --> 00:24:33,330 swalwell but everyone up there is a piece of crap. Nancy 374 00:24:33,330 --> 00:24:37,020 Pelosi, they're all they're all lane. They're all corrupt the 375 00:24:37,020 --> 00:24:40,200 whole system, the pharmaceutical, pharma the 376 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,810 vaccines, you know, the whole medical industry, everything 377 00:24:42,810 --> 00:24:46,080 that we're in this biosecurity state insurance, health 378 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,290 insurance, complete scam and rip off me just anything about 379 00:24:49,290 --> 00:24:52,800 China. I'm pretty down on you know, we've got the NBA NBA 380 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,190 professional sports captured by China. It's all been it's all 381 00:24:56,190 --> 00:24:59,070 been exposed. Then we get to the stock market how with Wall 382 00:24:59,070 --> 00:25:02,100 Street bets, how long All of this stuff is just completely 383 00:25:02,100 --> 00:25:05,340 rigged against the individual. We learned about the energy 384 00:25:05,340 --> 00:25:07,920 markets. Now. It's not just climate change. It's not just 385 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,830 windmills. It's the secondary markets. There's no incentive to 386 00:25:10,830 --> 00:25:13,740 protect people. It's about making money, central banks and 387 00:25:13,740 --> 00:25:18,780 Fiat Bitcoin. I'm about to hit 55. Today 55,000 the White 388 00:25:18,780 --> 00:25:21,870 Helmets in Syria, they got an award and it was a speaking of 389 00:25:21,870 --> 00:25:24,930 awards, Andrew Cuomo killed people and lied about the 390 00:25:24,930 --> 00:25:29,640 numbers. Hollywood is one again, China, we got the big tech who 391 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,240 thinks that they smoking their own dope, big agriculture is 392 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,020 next. I mean, and to me, it's like, and I said this yesterday 393 00:25:37,020 --> 00:25:40,380 on the show, it's like, no wonder guys like Tim Poole and 394 00:25:40,380 --> 00:25:43,410 the guests he has on his show where, like, if the government 395 00:25:43,740 --> 00:25:46,470 will do anything, and you know, we'll do anything to get out of 396 00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:50,580 this. And he's now a little behind, he's gonna catch up to 397 00:25:50,580 --> 00:25:53,700 us. But that's what that's what all I think maybe that's what 398 00:25:53,700 --> 00:25:59,760 Bitcoin is about. But it's it's all falling apart. And I think I 399 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:06,150 know that we laugh about it. But America Online was the end all 400 00:26:06,150 --> 00:26:11,040 be all that was it. This was interactive computing, you had 401 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,940 your email, you had your discussion groups. So So much so 402 00:26:14,940 --> 00:26:19,110 that MTV allowed me to register mtv.com because they had the AOL 403 00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:22,500 keyword, they weren't worried. And then they opened up that 404 00:26:22,500 --> 00:26:25,290 little window to the browser on the internet. And they were a 405 00:26:25,290 --> 00:26:26,430 dial up company within 406 00:26:26,430 --> 00:26:30,330 two years. To see I think the smoking their own dope is it is 407 00:26:30,330 --> 00:26:35,490 100 is 100%. True. Like, because these guys are too young. They 408 00:26:35,490 --> 00:26:39,480 haven't been they haven't been in, they don't know fully how 409 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:40,260 the system works. 410 00:26:40,290 --> 00:26:42,060 Whereas we have been to the mountaintop. 411 00:26:43,050 --> 00:26:48,180 Yes, right? Well, let me go back to Microsoft. They were in the 412 00:26:48,180 --> 00:26:51,990 same position. They were in the position of of actual, like, 413 00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:56,820 Facebook is not a monopoly. I'm sorry, they're not a monopoly. 414 00:26:58,740 --> 00:27:01,950 Is somebody who dumped who owns an industry and the Facebook is 415 00:27:01,950 --> 00:27:02,790 not a monopoly. 416 00:27:02,820 --> 00:27:05,970 They have a duopoly with Google on advertisements 417 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,830 on advertising. Yes. So but Microsoft, back in the 90s was 418 00:27:10,860 --> 00:27:14,640 an actual monopoly. Yeah. I mean, like, in if you want to 419 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,760 define, you know, to go down that road, classic, classic, 420 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:22,020 yeah, classic, well defined monopoly. And that one of the 421 00:27:22,020 --> 00:27:25,800 most interesting things that I heard, you know, ever that came 422 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:30,840 out of that case, was that somebody had told somebody who 423 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:35,790 told Microsoft, or one of the Microsoft's represent, you know, 424 00:27:35,940 --> 00:27:40,050 legal representation that, that y'all just thought joke, it's 425 00:27:40,050 --> 00:27:42,090 something to the effect of y'all just thought y'all could stay 426 00:27:42,090 --> 00:27:46,350 over there and not participate in the game. Basically, they had 427 00:27:46,350 --> 00:27:49,260 not been lobbying, they had not been putting the money in 428 00:27:49,949 --> 00:27:56,909 worst day in 1990. I want to say five or six, but I'm not taking 429 00:27:56,909 --> 00:28:00,359 the company public yet. my coat, my partner, co founder and I, we 430 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,529 were hired by Microsoft to help them come up with an Internet 431 00:28:04,529 --> 00:28:08,519 strategy. And they put us in for four days in a room with no 432 00:28:08,519 --> 00:28:10,949 windows pizza lunches brought in. 433 00:28:11,459 --> 00:28:14,609 Yeah. And, and they were, 434 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,700 it was so obvious, they didn't care. They didn't care at all, 435 00:28:17,700 --> 00:28:21,120 it was not interesting. Of course, you know, they felt they 436 00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:23,700 had the lock on this nasty internet thing with the with the 437 00:28:23,700 --> 00:28:26,670 Explorer. And I think, you know, the integration into the, into 438 00:28:26,670 --> 00:28:29,940 the OS was a very anti competitive move. But the end 439 00:28:29,940 --> 00:28:33,900 result, and I think this was the point that was made, maybe it 440 00:28:33,900 --> 00:28:38,730 was on pod land, is that, you know, now years later, we have 441 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,830 Explorer, and everyone hates it hates it, hates having to deal 442 00:28:43,830 --> 00:28:47,850 with it. And it's and it's I think it's put a negative on 443 00:28:47,850 --> 00:28:51,420 that whole company for it and it's a bad mark for them for the 444 00:28:51,420 --> 00:28:52,470 rest of their lives. 445 00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:56,250 Well, these these new younger quote unquote monopolies don't 446 00:28:56,250 --> 00:29:00,090 understand that you can't, that they are not big and they're, 447 00:29:00,540 --> 00:29:03,090 they're too big for their own britches. Yeah, they haven't 448 00:29:03,090 --> 00:29:06,930 understood that they're dealing with old power games, and old 449 00:29:06,930 --> 00:29:11,640 money games that don't give to rats about them. Like, you know 450 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:18,150 that here's the listen to this like this is who is this rep 451 00:29:18,180 --> 00:29:21,600 Representative David Cicilline, a Democrat from Rhode Island. He 452 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,620 said, if it's not already clear, Facebook is not compatible with 453 00:29:25,620 --> 00:29:30,420 democracy. threatening to bring an entire country to its knees 454 00:29:30,450 --> 00:29:33,900 to agree to Facebook's terms is the ultimate admission of 455 00:29:33,900 --> 00:29:39,000 monopoly power. He listened to that language. He says it 456 00:29:39,420 --> 00:29:42,300 threatening to bring an entire country to its knees. Do this is 457 00:29:42,300 --> 00:29:47,460 Facebook. Yeah. It's just a website. You're not bringing the 458 00:29:47,460 --> 00:29:50,280 whole country to its knees. It is literally just a website and 459 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,410 this other dude already said he changed his homepage and he's 460 00:29:52,410 --> 00:29:55,560 done. He's fine. He's moving on. Yeah, like and but I think this 461 00:29:55,560 --> 00:30:01,050 ties into something else. And this is the I think one of the 462 00:30:01,050 --> 00:30:04,800 reasons why they want maybe Facebook and perhaps Twitter and 463 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,930 some of these other social medias, these social media 464 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,730 companies, maybe one of the reasons why they are thinking 465 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,610 they're they're smoking their own dope, and thinking they're 466 00:30:14,610 --> 00:30:19,320 too big. There, they can play at this level. Maybe, maybe it's 467 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,710 got to do with the fact that we've given them too much power 468 00:30:23,250 --> 00:30:27,360 over the last over the last, you know, few years, and where they 469 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,110 can like, we're deep platforming people. We're, you know, take 470 00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:35,670 we're silencing, misinformation, they really think that they are 471 00:30:35,670 --> 00:30:38,370 the arbiters of what, of reality. Well, 472 00:30:38,370 --> 00:30:41,700 thank you. I haven't found a good way to explain this yet. 473 00:30:41,700 --> 00:30:45,360 Because the only reason why deep platforming is a thing. Now 474 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,640 there's different kinds of deep platforming, financial deep 475 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,840 platforming is an issue. But when it comes to taking someone 476 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,530 off of Twitter, or Facebook, or, or YouTube, so they only have 477 00:30:55,530 --> 00:31:02,400 the trifecta. It's because of the vanity of the users. The 478 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:08,760 users believe. First they believe all the numbers. So when 479 00:31:08,790 --> 00:31:14,310 you know likes, and and retweets and all this stuff, yeah, maybe 480 00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:16,980 it's the right number. I don't think so, you know, all of that 481 00:31:16,980 --> 00:31:20,610 is algorithmically driven. You are in fact, called a user. It's 482 00:31:20,610 --> 00:31:24,060 the old joke, but you are hooked. It's it's not a theory. 483 00:31:24,060 --> 00:31:29,010 It's, it's it's fact, there's much admission about the the 484 00:31:29,010 --> 00:31:31,890 brain that is being manipulated to using a lot of these systems. 485 00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:38,190 And with that comes one of the the sins man vanity. When when 486 00:31:38,190 --> 00:31:42,660 you it's almost like asking for people to support you in value 487 00:31:42,660 --> 00:31:46,620 for value. You feel ashamed, I'll say it I know. I mean, I 488 00:31:46,620 --> 00:31:50,220 was highly paid entertainment guy to then say, Oh, please send 489 00:31:50,220 --> 00:31:55,320 me money, we'll kill it, no one's gonna hire me. But when 490 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,410 you reposition your head and go, Hey, this is valuable. Hey, you 491 00:31:58,410 --> 00:32:00,360 know, if you're, if you're a human being, you'll send me some 492 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,960 value. That's pretty much the pitch right there. It's not, 493 00:32:04,140 --> 00:32:07,410 it's not that hard. But it's, it's something to get over. So 494 00:32:07,410 --> 00:32:13,830 when you realize that, hey, I actually get engagement and have 495 00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:18,120 conversations with people on platforms that are not really 496 00:32:18,150 --> 00:32:21,930 known or will be better protocols that you know, aren't 497 00:32:21,930 --> 00:32:25,110 the big promoted ones, the ones that flow through onto 498 00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:28,770 television, and that's a whole ecosystem. If you think that's 499 00:32:28,770 --> 00:32:32,940 important to you, or that all your friends must listen to what 500 00:32:32,940 --> 00:32:36,000 you say, because they're on Facebook, if they're interested, 501 00:32:36,060 --> 00:32:39,330 they can find you on these other places. So it's, it's, it's 502 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,240 within ourselves, I'm agreeing with you, it's within ourselves, 503 00:32:42,780 --> 00:32:47,040 that we have this need to be the other 15 minutes of fame. And I 504 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,170 can say fame and all that. 505 00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:56,850 Yeah. Yeah. Not that. That's that whole idea that, that what 506 00:32:56,850 --> 00:32:59,040 happens online is reality. 507 00:32:59,070 --> 00:33:00,480 Yeah. Well, it's 508 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,740 specifically what happens in social media is reality. That 509 00:33:04,740 --> 00:33:08,640 thing needs to crop that that idea needs to go away. And I 510 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,600 think they, they, they are shooting themselves in the foot. 511 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,510 If they don't roll this back after, let's just say a week 512 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,980 that they're dead man. I mean, they're, they're toast in that 513 00:33:20,010 --> 00:33:22,890 in that country, because people will just find out, they'll just 514 00:33:22,890 --> 00:33:26,460 go back to what they used to do, which was fine, too. You know, 515 00:33:26,550 --> 00:33:33,030 that that's the thing is, is what we had what we had without 516 00:33:33,030 --> 00:33:40,260 Facebook. Let me let me say it this way. I've got a Facebook 517 00:33:40,260 --> 00:33:43,890 account. I haven't logged into it in probably over a year. And 518 00:33:44,430 --> 00:33:47,760 you know what, it's just fine. Life is fine. Nothing's 519 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,940 different about my life. Everything is just fine. This is 520 00:33:50,940 --> 00:33:58,860 not Facebook is not a reality is just like the, the antitrust 521 00:33:58,860 --> 00:34:03,750 lawsuit against the General Mills. And there was this big 522 00:34:03,780 --> 00:34:06,780 data thing about claiming that General Mills was a monopoly. 523 00:34:07,230 --> 00:34:11,460 And at the time for breakfast cereal, it was like, there was 524 00:34:11,460 --> 00:34:14,130 this lawsuit went, you know, went on and on. And at some 525 00:34:14,130 --> 00:34:18,540 point, during the during the case, the judge said, You know, 526 00:34:18,540 --> 00:34:22,170 I don't think this really qualifies as a monopoly. Because 527 00:34:22,170 --> 00:34:26,970 I don't even eat cereal. He's like, I'm kind of a sausage and 528 00:34:26,970 --> 00:34:31,020 eggs kind of guy myself. And it's like, at some point, you 529 00:34:31,020 --> 00:34:35,640 got to step back and say, yeah, this is not really that big of a 530 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,120 deal. Because the whole, the whole rest of the internet 531 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:39,870 exists. 532 00:34:40,260 --> 00:34:42,900 Alright, so I'm going to simplify this for myself, 533 00:34:42,900 --> 00:34:45,600 because I think this is what it comes down to. And and 534 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,440 podcasting is a part of all of what's going on now with Silicon 535 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,550 Valley, in an odd way. And this isn't this is a story I've told 536 00:34:53,550 --> 00:34:57,150 before, but it's important to understand the one thing, the 537 00:34:57,150 --> 00:35:02,970 one thing and it started Well, I people weren't on. I couldn't 538 00:35:02,970 --> 00:35:05,250 get on Facebook back when Twitter started, because I 539 00:35:05,250 --> 00:35:08,010 didn't have a.edu. So I'm not quite sure how they did it. But 540 00:35:08,820 --> 00:35:14,100 Twitter was jack Dorsey and all those guys. They had audio and 541 00:35:14,100 --> 00:35:18,570 audio as a podcast platform, which was built in Flash. And 542 00:35:18,570 --> 00:35:22,530 you would be able to use a flash like studio, which would help 543 00:35:22,530 --> 00:35:27,600 you record and I only saw a demo of it once. But you know, it was 544 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,290 like, holy crap, and YouTube hadn't popped up yet. So, you 545 00:35:31,290 --> 00:35:34,200 know, flash was not such a thing, the way they were 546 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,710 presenting is very impressive. And they also had a listening 547 00:35:37,710 --> 00:35:42,150 side to it. And the one thing they had before, they never 548 00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:45,870 launched that podcast company, and they relaunched his Twitter. 549 00:35:45,870 --> 00:35:51,330 And so the what they had at the time, they, they, they did the 550 00:35:51,330 --> 00:35:54,600 impossible, which is why it didn't work. And we all remember 551 00:35:54,600 --> 00:36:00,600 the farewell because they had a system based on RSS feeds. And 552 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,810 they were, in essence, taking the feed and saying, okay, 553 00:36:03,810 --> 00:36:08,190 here's your TL, here's your timeline. And you can add things 554 00:36:08,190 --> 00:36:12,000 to your timeline by following someone. So they changed the 555 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:17,970 model from subscribe, which was a laborious, right click Copy, 556 00:36:17,970 --> 00:36:25,380 switch, apps paste process to subscribe to feeds. They change 557 00:36:25,380 --> 00:36:29,970 that into a centralized way to subscribe. And this was the only 558 00:36:29,970 --> 00:36:34,560 thing that could not be fixed in the decentralized model. Dave 559 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,010 Weiner had no idea for it, no one had an idea for it not now 560 00:36:38,010 --> 00:36:41,880 we have some things like web pub, which, which can function 561 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,780 quite well, for some of this publish subscribe, but that 562 00:36:45,810 --> 00:36:50,580 that's what they had. And when that took place, Google 563 00:36:50,580 --> 00:36:56,130 realized, Oh, this is the thing, this is what people want, they 564 00:36:56,130 --> 00:37:00,060 want to feed. So everyone creates a stream of feed, and 565 00:37:00,060 --> 00:37:02,940 then we can aggregate it, and we're going to centralize it, 566 00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:06,390 and oh, we better not any have. And this is important. Because 567 00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:11,040 we got it, we got to smoke our own dope. They don't want anyone 568 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:16,500 to know about RSS, because it is the one thing that can be used 569 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:22,500 to get rid of all of them. RSS creating an RSS feed, you know, 570 00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:26,580 there's still ways to do it. It gives you the exact same 571 00:37:26,580 --> 00:37:30,030 functionality without the algorithms which you could add 572 00:37:30,030 --> 00:37:34,380 in yourself if you wanted to. And it's truly decentralized 573 00:37:34,380 --> 00:37:36,900 and, and so when it comes to people don't know how stuff 574 00:37:36,900 --> 00:37:40,740 works, that's the genesis of social networks is RSS, and a 575 00:37:40,740 --> 00:37:45,480 centralized subscription mechanism. But that's it. Yeah, 576 00:37:45,870 --> 00:37:50,910 and Apple provided the same, they had the iTunes widget. And 577 00:37:50,910 --> 00:37:54,450 and because they were and they were trusted enough, because 578 00:37:54,450 --> 00:37:58,170 they had to send one click centralized subscribe. That was 579 00:37:58,170 --> 00:38:00,960 the power. So if we can replicate that, which I think we 580 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,650 already kind of are doing, it's, you know, we're doing it in a in 581 00:38:04,650 --> 00:38:08,700 a distributed way, at the decentralized part comes 582 00:38:08,700 --> 00:38:13,860 together on your app, and weaker, weaker links in the 583 00:38:13,860 --> 00:38:17,820 chain, like the index, although it's a we can replicate it, and 584 00:38:17,820 --> 00:38:20,790 we could, you know, and eventually distributed. Yeah, 585 00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:21,750 we're gonna fix that. 586 00:38:22,349 --> 00:38:24,689 We're gonna fix this, you might like it. Yeah, 587 00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:28,110 all of this could come down, including Apple, and Spotify. 588 00:38:29,700 --> 00:38:34,860 And when you have innovative toolmakers, like buzzsprout, who 589 00:38:34,860 --> 00:38:39,450 are really playing into, okay, we understand the type of user 590 00:38:39,450 --> 00:38:42,180 we have, we're not going to try and change them. But we're going 591 00:38:42,180 --> 00:38:46,920 to make a damn good output based upon what what they want to do 592 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:47,910 with the technology. 593 00:38:48,930 --> 00:38:54,060 Because that ties back into why, at least for me, personally, why 594 00:38:54,060 --> 00:39:02,190 I am so anti moderation within the podcast space, is because as 595 00:39:02,190 --> 00:39:06,000 soon as you allow that moderate that says, Listen, as you allow 596 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,500 an entity to pop up as a moderator, you end up with 597 00:39:10,740 --> 00:39:15,240 things like Facebook, Twitter, and you end up with some, once 598 00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:16,560 you once you grant 599 00:39:16,590 --> 00:39:20,010 Well, that's the separation of creation and aggregation. That's 600 00:39:20,010 --> 00:39:22,590 the that's the thing right there. And an aggregator should 601 00:39:22,590 --> 00:39:25,320 ban whatever they want their users not to see, just do 602 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,350 whatever you want. But a provider campus shouldn't be 603 00:39:28,350 --> 00:39:31,020 banned from getting in the system. Play. 604 00:39:32,340 --> 00:39:35,070 One, I didn't know if we're gonna do this today as they 605 00:39:35,070 --> 00:39:40,740 play. And I'm hoping maybe horning in on most turf here 606 00:39:40,770 --> 00:39:42,480 that brought some Malcolm X clips. 607 00:39:42,510 --> 00:39:46,680 Oh, no, no, it's just as much my turf as that is most. Okay. All 608 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,180 right. Malcolm X brought us together. 609 00:39:49,020 --> 00:39:56,760 Well, I'm about 2322 or 23 speeches into Malcolm X's 610 00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:04,500 catalog so far, and I can look We say this. Malcolm X, I now 611 00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:09,930 believe is like, Yes. How do I want to describe him? He is the 612 00:40:11,610 --> 00:40:14,160 he's one of the greatest black philosophers in American 613 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:14,640 history. 614 00:40:15,690 --> 00:40:20,100 Let me put it this way. He is the real deal. And I'm going out 615 00:40:20,100 --> 00:40:22,140 on a limb here. But this is stuff that Moe and I have talked 616 00:40:22,140 --> 00:40:31,080 about. Martin Luther King, Jr. is to Malcolm X. What Greta tune 617 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:41,130 berry is, you know, to I don't have a good a good example. But 618 00:40:41,220 --> 00:40:44,850 Malcolm X was more, or Martin Luther King was more of a 619 00:40:44,850 --> 00:40:49,320 marketing type icon that was put there, like a gratitude berry 620 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:53,550 of, you know, the for climate change. And I know it sounds 621 00:40:53,550 --> 00:40:57,750 weird. And people who don't know the history of Malcolm X and 622 00:40:57,750 --> 00:41:00,540 Martin Luther King, Jr. will probably think I'm a dick. But 623 00:41:00,570 --> 00:41:03,270 you know, listen to some old facts. And you'll learn real 624 00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:06,150 quick, Malcolm and that before, there was a whole period before, 625 00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:09,300 once the Nation of Islam and then things did change, and he 626 00:41:09,300 --> 00:41:13,110 had other influences in his life. But early Malcolm X, mind 627 00:41:13,110 --> 00:41:16,080 blowing stuff mind blowing, and I never learned that in school. 628 00:41:16,140 --> 00:41:17,190 I don't think you did either. 629 00:41:17,580 --> 00:41:20,250 Oh, no, no, no, to me, especially here in the south. 630 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,970 Malcolm X was anathema. Like Exactly. Martin Luther King 631 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,480 Martin Luther King was revered right here. Yeah. And, and 632 00:41:27,810 --> 00:41:32,040 because he was non violence. And that was his whole thing. And he 633 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,370 was religious. He was Christian and that kind of thing. But you 634 00:41:35,370 --> 00:41:38,160 know, if you ever brought up Malcolm X, it was like, Oh, no, 635 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,800 no, no, we don't wait. Like, we just want to treat him like he 636 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:45,030 didn't exist, you know. And so this is the literally in I'm 44. 637 00:41:45,330 --> 00:41:47,850 This is the first time I'm hearing a lot of these Malcolm 638 00:41:47,850 --> 00:41:49,470 X. ideas. You're 639 00:41:49,470 --> 00:41:52,680 ahead of me. It wasn't until I was 52. I mean, wait, I'm 640 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,840 56 5055. 641 00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:58,799 Yeah, well, I mean, the guy's a freaking genius. He literally 642 00:41:58,799 --> 00:42:03,029 was a genius to be able to look at the landscape. And just 643 00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:07,949 immediately identify these these things, and then go one step 644 00:42:07,949 --> 00:42:11,369 further and come out and actually say them, like, okay, 645 00:42:11,369 --> 00:42:12,539 so play clip to 646 00:42:13,980 --> 00:42:17,850 x. We will, I hope, get some phone calls. But there are many 647 00:42:17,850 --> 00:42:20,310 things that I want to get out of the way here. And I know that 648 00:42:20,670 --> 00:42:23,610 many times you have been involved in riots. 649 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,520 At least you have been accused of inciting a riot. There was 650 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,400 one that sprang I think in Los Angeles, which became turned 651 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:37,500 into a very unfortunate affair. It wasn't a riot. What the press 652 00:42:37,530 --> 00:42:41,490 initially reported as a blazing gun battle between Muslims and 653 00:42:41,490 --> 00:42:46,980 police, after investigation ended up being a the blazing 654 00:42:46,980 --> 00:42:51,480 guns of the police at innocent Negros, seven of which were shot 655 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,290 down, one of which died, two of which were brothers from 656 00:42:55,290 --> 00:42:58,650 Philadelphia here and one of them was shot and both of them 657 00:42:58,650 --> 00:43:01,350 were shot in the back. One of them was shot in the spine and 658 00:43:01,350 --> 00:43:04,770 is paralyzed for the rest of his life. And the city of Los 659 00:43:04,770 --> 00:43:09,210 Angeles probably has the worst case of human rights violation, 660 00:43:09,570 --> 00:43:13,080 civil rights, human rights violation on its hands that any 661 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:18,660 city has ever had. And when the public becomes acquainted with 662 00:43:18,660 --> 00:43:21,750 the facts of what happened out there, it will look mighty bad, 663 00:43:21,810 --> 00:43:24,960 I don't think anywhere in the history of Mississippi, Alabama, 664 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,490 and Louisiana combined. have seven negros been shot down at 665 00:43:29,490 --> 00:43:32,430 one time, but it happened in Los Angeles, California. 666 00:43:33,900 --> 00:43:42,900 Okay, so that that was like 1963 or four. Okay, so play clip 667 00:43:42,900 --> 00:43:43,380 three. 668 00:43:44,219 --> 00:43:46,799 So if you guys did not know No. 669 00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:54,509 Clip three is no, I think you got no matter what. So it was 670 00:43:54,509 --> 00:43:58,079 interviewed. So play clip to Malcolm X inciting to violence. 671 00:43:58,079 --> 00:43:59,189 Okay, I'm sorry this 672 00:44:00,630 --> 00:44:03,060 couple weeks ago in Jacksonville, Florida, young 673 00:44:03,090 --> 00:44:08,250 teenage girls were throwing Molotov cocktails now 10 years 674 00:44:08,250 --> 00:44:11,520 ago, but what you could learn from them is they're waking up. 675 00:44:14,730 --> 00:44:34,950 Molotov cocktails today. You should not feel that I'm 676 00:44:34,950 --> 00:44:44,430 inciting to violence. I'm only warning. Second, you can take it 677 00:44:44,430 --> 00:44:48,480 or leave it. If you take the warning. Perhaps you can still 678 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:53,310 save yourself. But if you ignore it or ridicule it, well, that is 679 00:44:53,310 --> 00:44:57,570 already at your doorstep. There are 22 million African Americans 680 00:44:57,570 --> 00:45:00,660 who are ready to fight for independence right here. I'm 681 00:45:00,660 --> 00:45:04,170 when I say Piper independent right here, I don't mean any non 682 00:45:04,170 --> 00:45:08,010 violent fight, or turn the other cheek fight those days have gone 683 00:45:09,150 --> 00:45:09,570 over. 684 00:45:11,550 --> 00:45:15,570 Wow, President Trump aligned with Malcolm X that must freak 685 00:45:15,570 --> 00:45:16,320 some people out. 686 00:45:17,609 --> 00:45:23,459 So that that clip that you just heard, took place a few years 687 00:45:23,459 --> 00:45:27,659 before the clip Previous to that. Mm hmm. And you can 688 00:45:27,659 --> 00:45:31,229 clearly hear, and this was he was very clear about this his 689 00:45:31,229 --> 00:45:37,499 entire career. until his death, he never was inciting violence. 690 00:45:37,829 --> 00:45:42,359 And he said it over and over and over again, he was saying two 691 00:45:42,359 --> 00:45:45,149 things he was saying, if you don't recognize what's going to 692 00:45:45,179 --> 00:45:49,019 what's happening, and what's boiling over in, in the black 693 00:45:49,019 --> 00:45:53,369 community, you're gonna you're gonna regret it. And number two 694 00:45:53,369 --> 00:45:59,969 is, is the black population can should defend itself, because 695 00:45:59,999 --> 00:46:03,809 the government is not defending it. The government is not 696 00:46:03,809 --> 00:46:07,889 standing, jumping in and defending the black population, 697 00:46:07,889 --> 00:46:10,709 and should they should be able to do it themselves. Exactly. 698 00:46:11,219 --> 00:46:14,039 It's those those two things he wouldn't he never incited 699 00:46:14,039 --> 00:46:17,729 violence and told people to go out and be violent. But in the 700 00:46:17,729 --> 00:46:21,269 clip, the first clip you played, which happened years after that, 701 00:46:21,959 --> 00:46:26,429 they were still accusing him of inciting violence. Well, that's, 702 00:46:26,579 --> 00:46:31,079 that's what that my point is. The the whole idea of moderation 703 00:46:31,139 --> 00:46:35,939 of having a moderator, somebody who will silence speech. Mm hmm. 704 00:46:37,139 --> 00:46:43,319 Malcolm, if Twitter and Facebook had existed in 1962, Malcolm X 705 00:46:43,319 --> 00:46:46,829 would have been cancelled immediately. Yeah. Because he 706 00:46:46,829 --> 00:46:49,829 would be quote, unquote, inciting violence, even though 707 00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:53,759 he never did. And that that's that is the you make a 708 00:46:54,210 --> 00:46:54,990 very good point. 709 00:46:55,380 --> 00:46:58,470 That's the threat of having to have having moderation in there 710 00:46:58,470 --> 00:47:02,280 is that somebody has to make the decision. And those that 711 00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,300 person's decision making or that group's decision making is not 712 00:47:06,330 --> 00:47:10,080 always in the best interest of anybody except them. 713 00:47:11,699 --> 00:47:16,979 So, which is why choice is better. Yeah, choice is always 714 00:47:16,979 --> 00:47:17,489 going to be 715 00:47:18,060 --> 00:47:22,320 was antithetical to advertising, to have some of this stuff on 716 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,470 your platform. And nobody would have wanted Malcolm X on their 717 00:47:25,470 --> 00:47:29,640 platform, saying that he better get ready because it's gonna be 718 00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:32,970 you know, it's stone. It was stones yesterday. It's Molotov 719 00:47:32,970 --> 00:47:36,000 cocktails today in his hand grenades tomorrow. Hey, like, 720 00:47:36,060 --> 00:47:36,750 who 721 00:47:36,750 --> 00:47:39,720 owns who owns those audio recordings? You said, you were 722 00:47:39,720 --> 00:47:41,760 you. There's a collection you were listening to? 723 00:47:42,329 --> 00:47:45,509 Yeah, I started listening to it on an audio book. There's a 724 00:47:45,509 --> 00:47:46,469 collection on 725 00:47:46,469 --> 00:47:51,989 Audible, but then be great for a podcast. Yeah. There's just got 726 00:47:51,989 --> 00:47:54,359 to be public domain by now. 727 00:47:54,900 --> 00:47:59,340 I think so. And I and I found a cash this guest selling, 728 00:47:59,700 --> 00:48:04,110 basically selling like 50 something. speeches and all the 729 00:48:04,110 --> 00:48:07,080 transcripts for all of his speeches for like, 20 bucks. And 730 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,750 I was like, Oh, yeah, here, take my money. Cool. And I downloaded 731 00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:11,100 them all as mp3 as he 732 00:48:11,099 --> 00:48:13,949 copyrighted that is the copper. I mean, the transcripts he could 733 00:48:13,949 --> 00:48:16,649 copyright is he copyrighted the the audio, I'm just trying to 734 00:48:16,649 --> 00:48:18,539 figure out if you could put it on a podcast because that'd be 735 00:48:18,539 --> 00:48:19,259 dynamite. 736 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,560 Yeah, I think it would be done. I don't know, I need to contact 737 00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,890 but I think a lot of these were like University speeches and 738 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,850 interviews on old radio shows that don't exist anymore. I'm 739 00:48:29,850 --> 00:48:32,940 not, I don't know if any of them would still be under copyright 740 00:48:33,870 --> 00:48:36,810 is one I can't find from Brown University that I'm trying to 741 00:48:36,810 --> 00:48:39,720 find. And it's like, it's supposed to be really good. It's 742 00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:44,190 from earliest like, 1961 one of his earliest speeches. Anyway, 743 00:48:44,190 --> 00:48:48,630 that that's, I think that that, you know, we like I said before, 744 00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:51,870 we just have to our memories are way too short. Oh, 745 00:48:53,429 --> 00:48:58,679 yes. Well, because the, the you know, the, the the random access 746 00:48:58,679 --> 00:49:02,189 memory is continuously overloaded with signals where we 747 00:49:02,189 --> 00:49:05,069 have trouble even finding the backups or the cold storage. 748 00:49:05,099 --> 00:49:06,239 Like, where was it? 749 00:49:06,750 --> 00:49:11,460 Yeah, you know what we can just we, if if the world figures out 750 00:49:11,460 --> 00:49:16,410 they can just stop social media can stop these things. I mean, 751 00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:17,820 it's really that simple. 752 00:49:18,060 --> 00:49:21,030 Well, we can it's it You're right, it's that simple. We can 753 00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:24,120 stop it Just stop it stop it set up a little thing with you set 754 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,090 up a mastodon with your with your family. Just stop it. 755 00:49:27,449 --> 00:49:28,229 Yeah, you know. 756 00:49:30,869 --> 00:49:33,599 I'm so passionate here. I tipped over my coffee. It's okay. 757 00:49:34,980 --> 00:49:41,520 The See, I can tell you where, everywhere. Okay, so you may not 758 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,090 get Malcolm X on your platform. But I can tell you what you will 759 00:49:45,090 --> 00:49:50,910 get on your platform. And this is okay, I gotta make Well, I 760 00:49:50,910 --> 00:49:55,500 guess I have a confession that you know, I say that I'm 761 00:49:55,500 --> 00:49:59,370 clipping these podcasts in order for me to 762 00:49:59,369 --> 00:50:00,809 Malcolm X Malcolm X was 763 00:50:00,810 --> 00:50:05,820 out and and Okay, not Malcolm X. Okay, this this is this is this 764 00:50:05,820 --> 00:50:08,550 is not. So maybe Malcolm X wouldn't have been allowed on 765 00:50:08,550 --> 00:50:14,040 these platforms and in not in 1960 you know one or today even. 766 00:50:14,250 --> 00:50:19,890 But here's what you do get with nice content moderated brand 767 00:50:19,890 --> 00:50:21,780 aware brand safe 768 00:50:23,579 --> 00:50:24,389 package 769 00:50:24,389 --> 00:50:28,889 process. Yes, you get clip for Charlie pre roll 770 00:50:29,099 --> 00:50:30,929 sanitized for your production. 771 00:50:31,110 --> 00:50:35,640 So if you guys did not know I recently started the Invisalign 772 00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:41,670 treatment and I think I am in week 11. And quite honestly, it 773 00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:47,250 is going pretty great. It's better than when I had braces 774 00:50:47,250 --> 00:50:50,790 just due to the fact that I feel so competent in my smile without 775 00:50:51,420 --> 00:50:55,380 having big brackets like I did before when I had clear braces. 776 00:50:55,860 --> 00:50:58,950 And I feel like Invisalign is just a super great fit and I'm 777 00:50:58,950 --> 00:51:02,370 really able to see all of the improvement in every single 778 00:51:02,370 --> 00:51:05,880 picture I take every day because I can just see my smile getting 779 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,270 better. If you did not know Invisalign is the most advanced 780 00:51:09,270 --> 00:51:12,120 clear aligner system and they are so much more comfortable 781 00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,780 embraces Invisalign, treatment really lets me do what I want to 782 00:51:15,780 --> 00:51:19,590 do. I can still dance, eat whatever foods I want, obviously 783 00:51:19,590 --> 00:51:22,530 popcorns will one of my favorites. I can play sports, 784 00:51:22,530 --> 00:51:25,260 musical instruments, whatever I want without any wires or 785 00:51:25,260 --> 00:51:28,410 brackets getting in the way. But let's be honest here One of the 786 00:51:28,410 --> 00:51:31,050 best parts about having Invisalign and not braces is 787 00:51:31,050 --> 00:51:35,370 that I can truly just eat whatever I want. Especially for 788 00:51:35,370 --> 00:51:38,430 Thanksgiving season when I'm going to be eating a lot of food 789 00:51:38,430 --> 00:51:42,420 and do not have time for broken brackets. Invisalign has really 790 00:51:42,420 --> 00:51:46,020 changed my life and made me more confident in my smile. thing 791 00:51:46,020 --> 00:51:46,380 that was 792 00:51:47,909 --> 00:51:52,979 okay, I have an impression just for a second was horrifying. I 793 00:51:53,159 --> 00:51:57,929 she was smacking her microphone noise make me see like the white 794 00:51:57,929 --> 00:52:04,529 stringy goo in her and it's very ASMR turn off. 795 00:52:06,420 --> 00:52:10,500 Okay, two things. Number one, when did it become Thanksgiving 796 00:52:10,500 --> 00:52:17,850 season? Well, Hallmark did that. Okay. Number two, I mean, this 797 00:52:17,910 --> 00:52:22,890 does Invisalign. Did they hear that host read in the boardroom? 798 00:52:22,890 --> 00:52:26,250 And like, oh, gosh, she nailed it. I just have thoughts all 799 00:52:26,250 --> 00:52:28,650 around the boardroom like this. She's she just killed it here. 800 00:52:28,679 --> 00:52:33,089 No, no, the advertising is changed the media buyers who who 801 00:52:33,089 --> 00:52:35,489 make these deals, they're down the line. And it's the same 802 00:52:35,489 --> 00:52:38,399 thing. All these kids, they get it they understand how it works. 803 00:52:38,399 --> 00:52:41,999 Oh, sounds like crap to me. But these the kids that we hired to 804 00:52:41,999 --> 00:52:44,549 do this, they know what the kids like. And you know what, Dave? 805 00:52:44,549 --> 00:52:46,469 Maybe they're right. I don't know. I don't know the sales 806 00:52:46,469 --> 00:52:49,109 numbers. It doesn't sound appealing to me. 807 00:52:49,650 --> 00:52:53,400 Well, I you know, I mean, I'm just a little bit. I keep coming 808 00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,820 to the show with these clips of these of these, you know, teen 809 00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:00,990 teenage social media influencers and then it's starting to grow 810 00:53:00,990 --> 00:53:04,320 on me. And I'm actually starting to like, I say that I'm just 811 00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,420 clipping it for this show, but I'm more I'm more like sickly 812 00:53:06,420 --> 00:53:07,050 fat. Oh, 813 00:53:07,050 --> 00:53:10,140 man a second. This is interesting. If you could turn 814 00:53:10,140 --> 00:53:14,580 this, this passion of yours into, into, you know, some 815 00:53:14,580 --> 00:53:17,370 something useful for the world. Like, let's get these kids to 816 00:53:17,370 --> 00:53:20,910 leave Spotify and come over where the real playground is. 817 00:53:21,540 --> 00:53:26,790 Oh, yeah, I'll make some stats. I will let you contact her and 818 00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:27,870 explain lightning to her. 819 00:53:30,150 --> 00:53:32,700 She shouldn't have to know. This is like, 820 00:53:33,389 --> 00:53:36,659 this wasn't my secret musical shame, which is Twain. 821 00:53:37,860 --> 00:53:40,590 I love shanaya she's still married to Matt. 822 00:53:42,300 --> 00:53:44,520 I don't know. But she made a comment. She made a comeback. 823 00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,410 Yes. She's making albums again. 824 00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,620 Yeah, I wish she was married to MK Lang the the Def Leppard 825 00:53:49,620 --> 00:53:51,750 producer, you know, like, Oh, I 826 00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:52,260 didn't know that. 827 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,180 Yeah, yes. about her. 828 00:53:54,690 --> 00:53:57,750 No, this I'm supposed to be a metal that's supposed to be a 829 00:53:57,750 --> 00:54:00,600 metal head. All my buddies think I'm a metal head but I like 830 00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:04,140 Shania Twain and Rick Astley and Bruce Hornsby. 831 00:54:05,130 --> 00:54:08,520 See I'm not I'm not. I'm not prejudiced like that. And a lot 832 00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:12,900 of people always say, Oh, you just you just put on the you 833 00:54:13,890 --> 00:54:16,620 just put on the leather jacket. You're not really a metal guy. 834 00:54:16,620 --> 00:54:18,780 And I totally was. Yeah, I wasn't like 835 00:54:20,730 --> 00:54:26,460 I literally have that literally have a Bruce Hornsby song. Right 836 00:54:26,460 --> 00:54:31,740 next to Megadeth on on my playlist. 837 00:54:31,770 --> 00:54:37,200 Yep. I think Bruce Hornsby on a second tonight. This is great 838 00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:41,160 for podcasting. 2.0 Twain was married to my outline the 839 00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:47,160 divorce in 2010. Now and then she got married to holy crap. 840 00:54:48,810 --> 00:54:53,220 She got married to the Swiss dude. Okay, so she married some 841 00:54:53,220 --> 00:54:59,430 dude for the money that didn't work. And then she now that was 842 00:54:59,430 --> 00:55:03,120 first Have no doubt she's still married to him. Frederick tibau. 843 00:55:03,390 --> 00:55:07,560 French guy. Oh, well, let me see her voice is a money guy. 844 00:55:07,619 --> 00:55:09,359 sounds totally different now. 845 00:55:09,810 --> 00:55:10,500 It does. 846 00:55:10,949 --> 00:55:15,449 It's like super deep. I mean, I think we I think we have the 847 00:55:15,449 --> 00:55:21,179 same range. You and shanaya Yeah. Do you sing Dave? No, no, 848 00:55:21,179 --> 00:55:25,319 God, no. No, you don't want that to happen anywhere close to you. 849 00:55:26,159 --> 00:55:29,849 No. Sorry. I didn't mean to derail us from podcasts you did. 850 00:55:30,329 --> 00:55:33,179 Sorry. We started with Malcolm X and then do a shout out to Wayne 851 00:55:33,179 --> 00:55:36,449 at some weird way. But then I did get a good I get did get a 852 00:55:36,449 --> 00:55:42,029 good I still had a few different nice. Okay. All right. Let's see 853 00:55:42,029 --> 00:55:47,069 which one do I so do I say one? Okay, 854 00:55:47,219 --> 00:55:50,189 it is going pretty great. Yeah. 855 00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:54,060 That one right out right out. I like that one. I'm gonna. 856 00:55:55,980 --> 00:55:57,150 Ready. Great. 857 00:55:57,179 --> 00:56:00,899 That's when my wife comes home. How was your day? I think it was 858 00:56:00,899 --> 00:56:02,399 pretty great. 859 00:56:03,929 --> 00:56:08,039 This This was better than I said. 303. 860 00:56:08,429 --> 00:56:10,859 My first I would find God. Oh, boy. 861 00:56:12,090 --> 00:56:13,020 What have we done? 862 00:56:16,889 --> 00:56:20,879 If you want to know how to pronounce podcast, oh, so for? 863 00:56:21,810 --> 00:56:23,010 Oh, geez. Hold on a second. 864 00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:25,830 Yes, that's right. Yeah. 865 00:56:28,949 --> 00:56:30,599 That's how you do it. Yeah. 866 00:56:33,210 --> 00:56:36,090 Kim, is anything going to get us back on track here? 867 00:56:36,119 --> 00:56:40,049 Yeah. Well, the only thing I could suggest to help us is to 868 00:56:40,049 --> 00:56:42,239 ask you what the hell went on this week? Did it? What did I 869 00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:47,609 miss? I saw. Because we were on our break with with namespace 870 00:56:47,609 --> 00:56:51,239 we're taking a little moment here for free for people to 871 00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,239 start implementing some stuff. And what am I even doing? 872 00:56:55,409 --> 00:56:59,429 Now? It's time for some hot namespace talk. 873 00:57:00,599 --> 00:57:02,339 What's your location person? 874 00:57:06,750 --> 00:57:12,900 Yeah. Hey, Jennifer, Dave, Jennifer said, said that the 875 00:57:12,900 --> 00:57:16,920 category stuff was hot. And I was like, I saw that too. But 876 00:57:17,010 --> 00:57:23,850 for real, though, like, I like the categories that we have. I 877 00:57:23,850 --> 00:57:27,600 think they're I like the idea of non hierarchical categories. 878 00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:31,080 Because you can in my example was, you know, like, climate, 879 00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:35,910 news, climate, politics, right. You don't have to be dependent 880 00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:36,780 on that. So then, 881 00:57:37,199 --> 00:57:38,819 like climate sports? 882 00:57:38,969 --> 00:57:45,179 Yeah. Yeah. And so it but then in this was set up, kind of 883 00:57:45,179 --> 00:57:51,329 jokingly, but it's true. You could do role playing games role 884 00:57:51,329 --> 00:57:53,369 playing sex. I mean, like, 885 00:57:54,060 --> 00:57:54,600 yeah, 886 00:57:55,050 --> 00:57:58,410 I mean, like these things, you don't necessarily make, mix and 887 00:57:58,410 --> 00:58:04,440 match, you know, in ways that we might predict. So. 888 00:58:04,860 --> 00:58:08,970 So how, how many do we have now? How many categories? 889 00:58:10,409 --> 00:58:12,329 There's like, 111. 890 00:58:12,329 --> 00:58:15,569 Yes, right. That's 117 or something? I saw a number. Yes. 891 00:58:15,569 --> 00:58:18,749 I'm like that. So what's the process when another great one 892 00:58:18,749 --> 00:58:22,769 comes along? Just we just add it. 893 00:58:23,310 --> 00:58:24,870 Yeah. Just make sure 894 00:58:24,929 --> 00:58:27,659 you stick it in. 895 00:58:27,780 --> 00:58:29,400 Just attempt but we'll stick it in. 896 00:58:30,810 --> 00:58:34,770 Yeah, we just say like a, does anybody else think that's a good 897 00:58:34,770 --> 00:58:36,540 idea? Yeah. Okay. It's kind of 898 00:58:36,929 --> 00:58:39,659 like a day. That's perfect. It's nothing wrong with that. I mean, 899 00:58:40,049 --> 00:58:43,049 I'm sure there's some linguistic parameters that someone could 900 00:58:43,049 --> 00:58:47,459 put around it. But maybe not. I mean, I mean, Bitcoin, for 901 00:58:47,459 --> 00:58:51,089 instance, where would that fall under Finance? crypto, 902 00:58:51,210 --> 00:58:54,750 we have a crypto tag. We don't but we need one. Yeah, seems 903 00:58:54,750 --> 00:58:57,960 like it. There's not one in Apple podcasts unless somebody 904 00:58:57,960 --> 00:58:59,790 wants to go make a website and beg Apple to 905 00:59:01,380 --> 00:59:02,880 come over here. We'll stick it in. 906 00:59:04,079 --> 00:59:07,649 Tell me how you want to go about it. Don't do that as your PR 907 00:59:07,679 --> 00:59:08,339 Come over here. 908 00:59:09,810 --> 00:59:13,200 podcasting. 2.0 Come over here. We'll stick it in. 909 00:59:15,690 --> 00:59:16,620 God no. 910 00:59:18,210 --> 00:59:22,320 This is this is it, man. This is our slogan. podcasting. 2.0 will 911 00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:27,150 stick it in. I think that's it. Write that down? That's Oh, 912 00:59:27,179 --> 00:59:29,129 yeah. did take notes. Take notes. 913 00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:36,930 Is it podcasting? I just got started in 2.0. Comma. Stick it 914 00:59:36,930 --> 00:59:37,320 in. 915 00:59:39,420 --> 00:59:40,230 Now, I think, 916 00:59:41,579 --> 00:59:45,539 man, I think I think maybe we should work on that. Maybe chat 917 00:59:45,539 --> 00:59:50,069 chapter should be a bigger that should be in phase three. 918 00:59:50,190 --> 00:59:51,810 But chapters. Yeah, 919 00:59:52,140 --> 00:59:55,290 I mean, I'm not sorry. No. categories, categories yet 920 00:59:55,290 --> 00:59:57,570 categories. I don't know. What do you think? 921 00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:03,030 I like the I know I like the idea. Do people know when if 922 01:00:03,030 --> 01:00:05,820 someone sets up a website like that? It's like, oh, man, I feel 923 01:00:05,820 --> 01:00:10,350 bad for you. We just stuck it in for you. Same with NPR. By the 924 01:00:10,350 --> 01:00:14,040 way, seasons, how are we on seasons? Is that all done? Yes. 925 01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:18,600 No. who's supporting it on the on the buzzsprout? No doubt. No, 926 01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:18,930 no, I 927 01:00:18,930 --> 01:00:22,050 don't think anybody's will be MPR is the one that asked for 928 01:00:22,050 --> 01:00:24,120 it. So they're going to be the first ones to do it. Probably. 929 01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:24,450 But 930 01:00:24,900 --> 01:00:27,870 one, Stacey, yeah, no, man, we put it 931 01:00:28,530 --> 01:00:30,090 loose. We stuck it in for you. 932 01:00:32,250 --> 01:00:34,200 We gave you what you want. Make it happen. 933 01:00:35,909 --> 01:00:40,169 Just have one show. Tell your listeners, you can listen to it 934 01:00:40,289 --> 01:00:43,469 with apps from new podcast. apps.com. 935 01:00:45,780 --> 01:00:49,980 No, I think like, we, I don't know, we when we come back from 936 01:00:49,980 --> 01:00:53,940 hiatus, or whatever on the on the namespace. Why don't we just 937 01:00:54,300 --> 01:00:55,830 why don't we do cat categories? 938 01:00:56,280 --> 01:01:00,210 Okay, so where are we on lightning? Because I, I think 939 01:01:00,540 --> 01:01:03,930 I'm a little behind on that. Because I haven't seen this is 940 01:01:03,930 --> 01:01:06,780 kind of the interesting. One of the interesting things of a free 941 01:01:06,780 --> 01:01:10,350 open source software project like this. It I don't know what 942 01:01:10,350 --> 01:01:15,480 people are doing. I look at the questions they're asking. Like, 943 01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,720 yeah, maybe is someone's at this point or that point? Do you have 944 01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:22,380 any any idea if anyone's having any success with the Ellen pay 945 01:01:22,380 --> 01:01:23,130 integration? 946 01:01:24,030 --> 01:01:31,350 I don't I know. Nope. I know, Martin's working on it. And 947 01:01:31,410 --> 01:01:32,820 that's all I know about on the 948 01:01:32,909 --> 01:01:35,699 market showed a couple of screenshots last week. I was 949 01:01:35,699 --> 01:01:36,449 like, Oh, yeah. 950 01:01:36,660 --> 01:01:41,160 Nice. Well, you know, we've been talking to Roy ever breeze to 951 01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:42,960 getting them close. They're getting close. 952 01:01:43,199 --> 01:01:45,869 Yeah, that's gonna be super interesting, because this will 953 01:01:45,869 --> 01:01:50,579 be. So right now we have these different implementations. And 954 01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:54,119 some have a dream about people working together. I know. It's 955 01:01:54,119 --> 01:01:58,649 crazy. But so Sphinx, they had the whole infrastructure and 956 01:01:58,649 --> 01:02:03,899 they added podcasting. Then we have a number of podcast apps, 957 01:02:04,499 --> 01:02:12,329 web apps, or otherwise. We're extensions, etc. that are adding 958 01:02:12,329 --> 01:02:17,399 it in. But they're really podcast app developers. And then 959 01:02:17,399 --> 01:02:20,969 we have a wallet developers, this is a third category, even 960 01:02:20,969 --> 01:02:25,949 though you could say Sphinx is is also a wallet. But breeze 961 01:02:25,979 --> 01:02:30,059 presents themselves as a wallet. And they are integrating it with 962 01:02:30,059 --> 01:02:33,599 podcasting. And that and so from what I've seen, and I think for 963 01:02:33,599 --> 01:02:37,139 a you've seen, they are trying to do a proper podcast app, but 964 01:02:37,139 --> 01:02:41,219 I have no idea. if they'll have chapters or transcripts. I mean, 965 01:02:41,219 --> 01:02:43,619 to me, I'll bet you they come up pretty standard, just getting 966 01:02:43,619 --> 01:02:45,989 the lightning stuff running, because they're doing the whole 967 01:02:46,229 --> 01:02:49,229 node back end. I think they're working on a podcast or 968 01:02:49,229 --> 01:02:49,919 solution. 969 01:02:51,450 --> 01:02:56,820 Yeah, I think it's gonna be interesting to see what all 970 01:02:56,820 --> 01:03:00,150 these things look like. Because we mean, they mean, you were 971 01:03:00,150 --> 01:03:02,730 saying at the beginning, it was going to be much easier for a 972 01:03:02,730 --> 01:03:05,100 wallet app to include podcasting than a podcasting. 973 01:03:05,130 --> 01:03:07,260 Yeah, I'm kind of coming back from that. I don't think that 974 01:03:07,260 --> 01:03:08,040 was correct. 975 01:03:08,250 --> 01:03:11,910 I am too, as well. Now that I think Ellen, Ellen pay leveled 976 01:03:11,910 --> 01:03:12,690 the playing field. Yeah, 977 01:03:12,690 --> 01:03:13,950 I did. Definitely. 978 01:03:14,460 --> 01:03:17,430 Because at the beginning, it was going to be too difficult. I 979 01:03:17,430 --> 01:03:20,580 mean, riding a lightning compatible wallet app. I mean, 980 01:03:20,580 --> 01:03:22,170 God, that's not easy. No. 981 01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:26,970 Well, it's especially. I mean, there's all the stuff, you know 982 01:03:26,970 --> 01:03:29,730 that, especially when you're talking about key sin, you know, 983 01:03:29,730 --> 01:03:33,930 then you do have to have proper channels channel management. And 984 01:03:33,930 --> 01:03:38,190 but but I like it, because it shows where the value is. And 985 01:03:38,310 --> 01:03:42,060 oh, this is what we need to talk about the splits the 100%, the 986 01:03:42,060 --> 01:03:46,170 fee thing on top, because I think we're getting to a very 987 01:03:46,170 --> 01:03:50,190 good, a very good place where we need price discovery, you know, 988 01:03:50,190 --> 01:03:58,170 what does it cost for, for a podcast app to to do this in 989 01:03:58,170 --> 01:04:02,010 conjunction with lm pay? So what is how does lm pay make money? 990 01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:06,690 How do you discover price on that? How do we do that with 991 01:04:06,690 --> 01:04:12,210 breeze who are giving, you know, a full node, almost, I think a 992 01:04:12,210 --> 01:04:17,610 full node setup with channels and liquidity and everything 993 01:04:17,610 --> 01:04:23,880 kind of built in and a way to purchase BTC, from Fiat. So they 994 01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:26,490 need to have some kind of fee structure to make to make it 995 01:04:26,490 --> 01:04:32,070 work for them. And I think I think some of the discussion 996 01:04:32,070 --> 01:04:35,730 that I saw about the splits and the fees was moving in a very 997 01:04:35,730 --> 01:04:39,210 good direction. And I've kind of let some barriers down. I'm not 998 01:04:39,210 --> 01:04:44,280 ashamed for us to say, Alright, it's gonna cost this much in a 999 01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:48,390 fee to use this app. Yeah, and if you don't like it, you can 1000 01:04:48,390 --> 01:04:51,810 use another app, or you know, or set your value slider to zero, 1001 01:04:52,110 --> 01:04:56,220 or whatever. I think we need that when we shouldn't be 1002 01:04:56,220 --> 01:05:00,900 bashful. And if Bree says Oh shoot, we need 3% On top or 1003 01:05:00,900 --> 01:05:04,290 whatever it is, because they've got liquidity. I mean, when you 1004 01:05:04,290 --> 01:05:07,950 open a channel, you're locking up money. You're locking out 1005 01:05:07,950 --> 01:05:10,470 money for someone who wants to use it for free that 1006 01:05:10,500 --> 01:05:14,070 that's not gonna fly. And Roy's article about inbound liquidity 1007 01:05:14,070 --> 01:05:16,590 was outstanding. Yes, I 1008 01:05:16,590 --> 01:05:18,120 should add that in the show notes. 1009 01:05:18,510 --> 01:05:24,150 Yeah, yeah. Cuz then, like I never saw it from his from that 1010 01:05:24,150 --> 01:05:27,060 perspective before because it always seemed like an annoyance. 1011 01:05:27,420 --> 01:05:29,790 But when he related act, you're like, Oh, my God, this is really 1012 01:05:29,790 --> 01:05:33,240 the way the whole thing works. This is really the key to the 1013 01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:35,190 whole system is inbound liquidity. 1014 01:05:35,340 --> 01:05:38,400 Yeah, it's lightning economics, How I Learned to Stop Worrying 1015 01:05:38,490 --> 01:05:40,320 and Love inbound liquidity. 1016 01:05:41,099 --> 01:05:44,459 Yeah, great, great, long, long article, but great. 1017 01:05:44,490 --> 01:05:47,220 Putting it in the show notes is very, very good to read. 1018 01:05:47,670 --> 01:05:51,600 But, you know, I think I think you're right. And I think there 1019 01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:57,840 needs to be a market. price discovery market flexibility 1020 01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:02,340 when it comes to that. I mean, like, you know, if, I mean, 1021 01:06:02,670 --> 01:06:06,390 let's just say I'm an app developer, and I have a killer 1022 01:06:06,570 --> 01:06:09,720 podcast app. I mean, like, it's just, you know, it's, it's 1023 01:06:09,780 --> 01:06:12,570 awesome that you should be able to charge extra for it. Yeah, 1024 01:06:12,570 --> 01:06:17,220 man. 5%. Yeah. I mean, literally, I mean, it will pay 1025 01:06:17,220 --> 01:06:17,340 it 1026 01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:19,710 or have some other option. I mean, that that's all going to 1027 01:06:19,710 --> 01:06:25,050 come into play. Yeah. But yeah, the whole idea of free is over 1028 01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:29,670 is that that will not work. It's, there's no freemium model. 1029 01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:33,780 Well, I guess, technically, you could, but it's unnecessary. And 1030 01:06:33,780 --> 01:06:38,700 I've been living with with as a consumer and a, as a listener, 1031 01:06:38,700 --> 01:06:43,560 and as a podcaster. I'm delighted. I'm getting maybe two 1032 01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:48,030 bucks a day now. And so what is that? That's from swings people? 1033 01:06:48,030 --> 01:06:52,410 And, and who knows what else is do I mean, there's, there's some 1034 01:06:52,410 --> 01:06:55,950 people out there and he'll get pod station. And I probably 1035 01:06:55,950 --> 01:06:56,910 spend about 1036 01:06:58,349 --> 01:06:59,129 I don't know, 1037 01:07:00,329 --> 01:07:05,309 I, I have my value slider high. So I'm, I'm at 100 SATs a 1038 01:07:05,309 --> 01:07:09,899 minute, tell you I'm sitting at a couple bucks a day for for 1039 01:07:09,899 --> 01:07:11,489 each podcast that I listened to, 1040 01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:15,360 yeah, I spend probably a buck or a buck 50 a day in that. And I 1041 01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:20,070 think in to give that perspective. Before we started 1042 01:07:20,070 --> 01:07:23,640 this thing, I was spending zero. Yes, precisely, 1043 01:07:23,699 --> 01:07:27,149 I look at that number go, that's too, and we have almost nothing 1044 01:07:27,149 --> 01:07:30,599 in place. So I just in my head, I go up next time I look at it, 1045 01:07:30,599 --> 01:07:33,479 that's going to be times 10. Yeah, and the next time I look 1046 01:07:33,479 --> 01:07:34,709 is gonna be times 100. 1047 01:07:36,090 --> 01:07:40,290 So I think that a couple of things need to happen. And this 1048 01:07:40,290 --> 01:07:45,060 is going to help a few different players here. Number one, we 1049 01:07:45,060 --> 01:07:48,300 need to have, we need to have the custom record field in there 1050 01:07:48,300 --> 01:07:53,700 so that we can handle a couple of different scenarios that 1051 01:07:53,700 --> 01:07:55,380 people are facing for in reality, 1052 01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:59,280 we had we had a spec in start, or we discussed that I think 1053 01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:03,390 about how we provide information along with the payment. Yeah, 1054 01:08:03,450 --> 01:08:06,330 okay. Yeah. So yeah, start that. Yeah, 1055 01:08:06,329 --> 01:08:09,149 we get it, we need to do that. And the other part of that is, 1056 01:08:11,099 --> 01:08:15,539 we need to, I think we need to adjust the way the splits are 1057 01:08:15,539 --> 01:08:18,659 calculated. And I don't think it's going to necessarily break 1058 01:08:18,659 --> 01:08:23,189 anything, if I understand it, right. And so I think a few 1059 01:08:23,189 --> 01:08:26,759 people suggested going and going away from a 100%, split 1060 01:08:26,759 --> 01:08:31,529 breakdown, and splitting it by percentage, and just instead go 1061 01:08:31,529 --> 01:08:35,609 into, into the concept of shares. And so you just say, the 1062 01:08:35,609 --> 01:08:39,959 split each speech value recipient split does not is not 1063 01:08:39,959 --> 01:08:44,639 a percentage of 100, that needs to calculate back to 100. 1064 01:08:44,999 --> 01:08:49,439 Instead, it's just taken as, as a just an integer, just a number 1065 01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:54,689 that represents share of the total. And so, you know, it can, 1066 01:08:54,689 --> 01:08:57,749 the numbers can stay roughly the same as they are in percentages. 1067 01:08:58,259 --> 01:09:01,199 And it won't make much of a difference. But it gives you 1068 01:09:01,199 --> 01:09:03,629 more flexibility, so that you don't have to be constantly 1069 01:09:03,629 --> 01:09:06,239 adjusting calculations and making because people are going 1070 01:09:06,239 --> 01:09:09,659 to screw up people are gonna say, if somebody puts a value 1071 01:09:09,659 --> 01:09:12,989 block in with five people in it, they're gonna make a mistake, 1072 01:09:12,989 --> 01:09:16,889 and it's not going to add up to 100. And it just, it's too 1073 01:09:16,889 --> 01:09:20,009 rigid. And there needs to be flexibility there. 1074 01:09:20,070 --> 01:09:25,170 So you so if the payment, whatever the payment is, each 1075 01:09:25,170 --> 01:09:28,680 share is just the percentage of that payment. And we don't worry 1076 01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:30,270 about if it's 100% or not. 1077 01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:33,120 Yeah, right. You don't worry about if it all totals up to 1078 01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:33,870 100%. 1079 01:09:34,170 --> 01:09:38,760 Now, I agree. I think that's the way to go. Now the fee. I like 1080 01:09:39,570 --> 01:09:40,830 how does that work out? 1081 01:09:41,670 --> 01:09:44,880 Yes. So that just tells and we and we're already putting that 1082 01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:49,170 in the API returns. So that that just says so for us. If a 1083 01:09:49,170 --> 01:09:54,120 podcast app is using us to get the day information, it would 1084 01:09:54,150 --> 01:09:57,270 return the value block and then we would be in there as an extra 1085 01:09:57,270 --> 01:10:03,450 split. But you know, like If you're having to say this, this 1086 01:10:03,450 --> 01:10:06,840 is part of the issue of trying to try to adjust the 100%. And 1087 01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:11,130 all that stuff's too hard. So we go in there with with a one, our 1088 01:10:11,130 --> 01:10:15,300 split is one, which would represent 1%. But it but it's 1089 01:10:15,300 --> 01:10:20,040 got the typeface got the fee moniker in there that lets the 1090 01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:24,630 app know that we're not getting up or we're not getting a, a 1091 01:10:24,780 --> 01:10:30,960 share of the of the of the total, we're getting a 1092 01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:36,090 percentage off the top. And so that says, you know, we have, 1093 01:10:36,870 --> 01:10:39,780 you'll go ahead and go ahead and calculate all these splits, 1094 01:10:39,780 --> 01:10:42,750 that's fine, like you would normally do it. But before you 1095 01:10:42,750 --> 01:10:46,980 do that, anything that's listed as a fee, you take that out 1096 01:10:46,980 --> 01:10:52,020 first. Okay, and send those keys and payments, and then you and 1097 01:10:52,020 --> 01:10:56,220 then you do the splits. So that would apply for, for instance, 1098 01:10:56,220 --> 01:10:59,730 for like bus route, when we put you know, bus route into our 1099 01:10:59,730 --> 01:11:01,380 block, we would put them in as a fee. 1100 01:11:01,829 --> 01:11:06,779 Right, but then that that fee comes from the listener, in 1101 01:11:06,779 --> 01:11:09,539 addition to the payment and the splits. 1102 01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:13,950 It could go either way. I mean, you could go in addition to or 1103 01:11:13,950 --> 01:11:17,220 it could be, you know, taken out of the total. I don't know how I 1104 01:11:17,220 --> 01:11:18,570 don't know what the right answer is their 1105 01:11:20,010 --> 01:11:23,130 transparency and surfacing of this information is the key. 1106 01:11:24,150 --> 01:11:26,640 Yeah. And I think what I'm going to do to make that happen is I 1107 01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:31,290 think I'm going to go into the namespace repository and make a 1108 01:11:32,220 --> 01:11:35,760 value directory and just begin to build the documents for this 1109 01:11:35,790 --> 01:11:38,640 so that everything is explained. Right now. It's just sitting 1110 01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,610 there as a tag proposal. Right, right. And there's not enough 1111 01:11:41,610 --> 01:11:44,850 information. There needs to be more in there. 1112 01:11:44,910 --> 01:11:48,630 I know you're working on that. And I just want as a as a side. 1113 01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:53,760 I really like what Brian of London made for his his Boise 1114 01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:56,460 calling kind of because his share management tool for the 1115 01:11:56,460 --> 01:11:59,520 feed, which I guess the equivalent of podcaster 1116 01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:00,510 wallet.com. 1117 01:12:01,199 --> 01:12:02,009 Yeah, yeah, 1118 01:12:02,039 --> 01:12:05,069 that look nice. I think he has interesting ideas there. 1119 01:12:05,789 --> 01:12:08,579 Yeah, he says, He says, He says, he's, I'm a crappy program or 1120 01:12:08,579 --> 01:12:12,059 not. And No, he's not. And he's, he's got, he's doing all this 1121 01:12:12,059 --> 01:12:16,289 stuff. He's got great ideas. And may or may not, I think that his 1122 01:12:16,289 --> 01:12:19,049 the thing that he's seen, the stuff he's posting so far, looks 1123 01:12:19,229 --> 01:12:20,219 wonderful. Yeah. 1124 01:12:20,820 --> 01:12:25,440 And, and so you are working on, I guess, in tandem with 1125 01:12:25,440 --> 01:12:29,400 everybody else on podcaster wallet.com. 1126 01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:33,930 Yeah, and I've done a quite a bit on that this week. And we 1127 01:12:33,930 --> 01:12:37,830 got Graham overvoltage, I sent him a test, I created a test 1128 01:12:37,830 --> 01:12:42,000 feed for him last night to, to test their integration. So the 1129 01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:45,990 idea here is going to be that, when we get this working, is 1130 01:12:45,990 --> 01:12:48,090 that you'll have you'll go into podcaster wallet, and when you 1131 01:12:48,090 --> 01:12:52,950 claim your, your podcast, it'll come up and it'll give you three 1132 01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:58,530 options, create a Sphinx node, create a voltage node, or add 1133 01:12:58,530 --> 01:13:01,350 your own custom node. So if you have, if you're wanting to go, 1134 01:13:01,590 --> 01:13:04,290 if you're wanting to just live in Sphinx, you would go that 1135 01:13:04,290 --> 01:13:07,260 route, if you know, they're, they're still having some 1136 01:13:07,530 --> 01:13:11,190 struggles with node availability, but let's just say 1137 01:13:11,190 --> 01:13:13,140 in the future, when they get all that hammered out, that'll 1138 01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:16,440 that'll be an option for volt, the voltage option will be just 1139 01:13:16,440 --> 01:13:18,720 basically spin up, you overload 1140 01:13:19,290 --> 01:13:22,230 the node both spin up and give you channels and liquidity, or 1141 01:13:22,230 --> 01:13:23,850 is that not in the beginning? 1142 01:13:24,060 --> 01:13:26,310 Not sure yet, during testing, well, what 1143 01:13:26,310 --> 01:13:32,250 I want to do is, we should talk to Graham about it. So when you 1144 01:13:32,250 --> 01:13:36,150 spin up a node and you put BTC on it, autopilot will start to 1145 01:13:36,150 --> 01:13:42,000 open stuff up, and so you'll get outbound. But for inbound, if we 1146 01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:46,170 could just get a ping, I mean, part of the beauty of podcast 1147 01:13:46,170 --> 01:13:49,470 index as a community resource is we should be able to use some of 1148 01:13:49,470 --> 01:13:55,020 our some of our funds to open up liquidity to podcasters and 1149 01:13:55,020 --> 01:13:58,320 we'll give them good routing because the you know, our nodes 1150 01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:00,840 have been been around for a bit now and we've got some 1151 01:14:00,870 --> 01:14:04,410 throughput and we make at least 10 satoshis a day. I'm 1152 01:14:04,410 --> 01:14:05,040 forwarding 1153 01:14:06,450 --> 01:14:10,380 10 whole sets Wow. Yeah, sometimes that's a great idea 1154 01:14:10,380 --> 01:14:14,280 though. That's almost like us acting as almost like a loop for 1155 01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:14,670 the 1156 01:14:14,820 --> 01:14:17,400 Exactly, exactly. For podcasters 1157 01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:18,330 to come online. Yeah, 1158 01:14:18,420 --> 01:14:21,330 I mean, so that's why I was surprised because I've been 1159 01:14:21,330 --> 01:14:26,370 managing our channels with a Sphinx with with Paul for a 1160 01:14:26,370 --> 01:14:29,580 while now you know, it's like, okay, you know, I make sure 1161 01:14:29,580 --> 01:14:32,220 we've got enough liquidity to inbound from them and make sure 1162 01:14:32,220 --> 01:14:36,180 we've got stuff going back to them and in turn, I make sure 1163 01:14:36,180 --> 01:14:39,360 that you've got routing to your node i put out I mean, I've been 1164 01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:43,020 adding these these channels to everyone that I've helped bring 1165 01:14:43,020 --> 01:14:45,270 up online or that I know of everyone's online 1166 01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:48,960 so yeah, opened up one to john chichi and yeah, 1167 01:14:48,990 --> 01:14:53,520 yeah, so this it's that's just great architecture. That's just 1168 01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:54,750 really gonna help us a lot. 1169 01:14:55,140 --> 01:14:57,840 That would be suit that would be super cool if they could just 1170 01:14:57,870 --> 01:15:02,340 like send some bt it fire The nodes, send some BTC and then 1171 01:15:02,340 --> 01:15:07,770 ping us and have that channel open. And then in the last step 1172 01:15:07,770 --> 01:15:11,940 in that link is they will call back to our API with the new 1173 01:15:11,940 --> 01:15:12,600 node ID. 1174 01:15:14,790 --> 01:15:16,740 Slick. Well, we can we can do that all with 1175 01:15:16,740 --> 01:15:20,490 a macaroon in that Korea? Well, no, I mean, that part, that last 1176 01:15:20,490 --> 01:15:23,220 part, we had a call back, that stuff's that should already be 1177 01:15:23,220 --> 01:15:24,210 working where to get that? 1178 01:15:24,540 --> 01:15:27,570 Right. But I mean, open opening, we can get a ping from the 1179 01:15:27,570 --> 01:15:32,130 index. And you can you know, with a macaroon you can the your 1180 01:15:32,130 --> 01:15:36,750 systems there could open up a channel that we just just you're 1181 01:15:36,750 --> 01:15:39,840 just talking to lm D is just another API, he said with his 1182 01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:41,010 developer hat on. 1183 01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:44,400 No, I don't see why that wouldn't work at all. Yes. Yeah. 1184 01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:46,980 And it's just an Ellen sale, aka, man. scriptable. 1185 01:15:46,980 --> 01:15:48,840 Money, baby. Again, 1186 01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:53,700 I mean, yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's the stuff right 1187 01:15:53,700 --> 01:15:53,940 there. 1188 01:15:53,970 --> 01:15:58,860 Right. Hey, speaking of before we start spending this money on 1189 01:15:58,860 --> 01:16:01,770 opening channels. Let's thank some people who, who sent us 1190 01:16:01,770 --> 01:16:05,760 some. Yeah, yeah, because this is channel money. Channel money 1191 01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:09,420 is really jam on money isn't a value for value podcast, the 1192 01:16:09,420 --> 01:16:14,220 whole project is value for value. The way it works is you 1193 01:16:14,220 --> 01:16:17,280 support the project if you get any value out of it. That could 1194 01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:23,430 be from podcast index.org from podcast, index dot social. From 1195 01:16:23,430 --> 01:16:26,190 this podcast from the whole movement, your listener, you're 1196 01:16:26,190 --> 01:16:29,610 a developer, you're someone who cares you'd like freedom, you 1197 01:16:29,610 --> 01:16:32,790 want to support it all We asked you to give us your time, your 1198 01:16:32,790 --> 01:16:36,960 talent, your treasure, either one or all three, that everyone 1199 01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,510 who is working on this has the first two covered and a lot of 1200 01:16:39,510 --> 01:16:43,350 them bring come in on the third. And we have a big red Donate 1201 01:16:43,350 --> 01:16:46,290 button that podcast index.org can also send us lightning 1202 01:16:46,290 --> 01:16:48,480 payments. If you do send a lightning payment please put a 1203 01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:54,570 memo in it because I got 20,000 SATs. I think yesterday and I 1204 01:16:54,570 --> 01:16:57,690 don't know who it came from. So I want to thank whoever sent 1205 01:16:57,690 --> 01:17:00,660 that you know, it's like 10 bucks these days. Yeah, more 1206 01:17:00,660 --> 01:17:06,420 than that. And, and it was thanks to these people. 1207 01:17:07,980 --> 01:17:11,280 Let's see make sure this is not only make sure it's not 1208 01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:15,300 anonymous and don't think it is no don't say anything. Okay, 1209 01:17:15,300 --> 01:17:23,190 this is a one time donation. $66.33 from Scott Yo, Jalbert. A 1210 01:17:23,190 --> 01:17:26,130 great episode interviewing David with hyper catcher. I just 1211 01:17:26,130 --> 01:17:29,520 imported my opml from Marco's app. I'm going to try it out 1212 01:17:29,550 --> 01:17:33,090 nice. can really see it can really start to see things 1213 01:17:33,090 --> 01:17:35,400 coming together with podcast index on many fronts, and it's 1214 01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:38,610 exciting to see it happen. Here's a little boost. Thanks. A 1215 01:17:38,610 --> 01:17:39,360 nice boost. 1216 01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:41,820 Thank you. And by the way, if you're listening right now crank 1217 01:17:41,820 --> 01:17:44,640 up the value sliders boost boost boost. 1218 01:17:46,860 --> 01:17:52,680 Let's see what we get. Oh, this one just came in right before 1219 01:17:52,770 --> 01:18:00,870 the show. Let's see 40 $46.22 this is from see Mike. Okay. 1220 01:18:00,990 --> 01:18:02,850 All right. See, Mike. I know see Mike. 1221 01:18:03,030 --> 01:18:06,450 Yeah, he says long overdue value for value. I really wish I could 1222 01:18:06,450 --> 01:18:09,030 help out more but my human resources and wife demand 1223 01:18:09,030 --> 01:18:13,710 attention to he has not he has nine kids. Holy crap. 1224 01:18:14,970 --> 01:18:18,000 And five of them born during the course of him listening to the 1225 01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:18,480 show 1226 01:18:19,199 --> 01:18:20,609 that makes you feel old and 1227 01:18:21,270 --> 01:18:27,390 he's his tears. His wife is is some kind of Superwoman man. 1228 01:18:27,900 --> 01:18:28,830 Is he Catholic? 1229 01:18:29,970 --> 01:18:30,930 I don't know. I 1230 01:18:31,860 --> 01:18:33,870 know the Catholic thing having tons of kids. 1231 01:18:33,930 --> 01:18:40,980 Sure. Could be just likes having kids. I like the practicing part 1232 01:18:40,980 --> 01:18:42,240 a lot. Yeah. 1233 01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:47,130 See, no special meaning in the number just what's left on this 1234 01:18:47,580 --> 01:18:49,140 debit card. Perfect. 1235 01:18:49,350 --> 01:18:52,440 I love it's great way to get rid of that extra extra money you 1236 01:18:52,440 --> 01:18:53,520 got laying around. Thank you. 1237 01:18:53,879 --> 01:18:54,899 He says go podcast. 1238 01:18:58,890 --> 01:18:59,790 By the way, Eric. 1239 01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:06,420 Eric is working on this whole back end system for producers. 1240 01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:10,140 Now he's doing it for no agenda, but it'll be for us as well. And 1241 01:19:10,650 --> 01:19:13,380 I think I think it's ethics is a great product. We have a 1242 01:19:13,380 --> 01:19:17,400 donation page, you go in and you fill out some basic information, 1243 01:19:17,430 --> 01:19:19,830 whatever you want it to be, of course, but just to make it 1244 01:19:19,830 --> 01:19:22,830 simple, so we can track stuff. And he's also going to do 1245 01:19:22,830 --> 01:19:27,690 lightning and BTC payment options. It's going to be really 1246 01:19:27,690 --> 01:19:30,330 cool. This is going to be great. Great for podcasters. I see 1247 01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:33,420 total product, their total product. Another little piece 1248 01:19:33,420 --> 01:19:34,920 you can stick in your value block. 1249 01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:36,390 Yeah, just stick it in. 1250 01:19:37,110 --> 01:19:38,580 We'll stick it in for you. 1251 01:19:38,610 --> 01:19:43,440 We'll stick it in for you. That's the mantra that says sir 1252 01:19:43,440 --> 01:19:46,650 Pete gave us $33.33 from 1253 01:19:46,650 --> 01:19:51,150 the Netherlands or pate. Is that pate? Eight? Yep, PDT. Yeah. 1254 01:19:51,390 --> 01:19:56,040 Okay. Hi, David Adams sir. Page snakes here. Is that that's a 1255 01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:56,970 snake. Yes. You got it. 1256 01:19:57,000 --> 01:19:57,690 You got it. Okay. 1257 01:19:58,350 --> 01:20:02,640 I'm basically Dutch here's, here's some cash, no blankets, 1258 01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:05,580 or water. Just a short thought triggered by your discussion 1259 01:20:05,580 --> 01:20:08,880 with David Norman. I believe my comments on podcasts and video 1260 01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:12,600 timelines are more for me than anybody else. It's at this 1261 01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:15,600 moment in my public notetaking for my inner circle to interact 1262 01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:18,570 with. So if I would be a consultant, it would be my notes 1263 01:20:18,570 --> 01:20:21,480 for the producer, if I was a teacher is the collection of my 1264 01:20:21,480 --> 01:20:25,140 media of the media my students should listen to. And the reason 1265 01:20:25,140 --> 01:20:29,070 is cetera, basically publishing my bookmarks on my media life to 1266 01:20:29,070 --> 01:20:32,730 others, becoming a producer in my own right. That has been my 1267 01:20:32,730 --> 01:20:35,970 dream for podcasting and books, and specifically presentations 1268 01:20:35,970 --> 01:20:39,030 on events making the note Ah, this is important for these 1269 01:20:39,030 --> 01:20:43,680 reasons. We, I we need you to re Listen to this. Then David 1270 01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:48,180 mentioned no Tater. Yes. Brilliant. Here's some value for 1271 01:20:48,180 --> 01:20:53,460 value. Thank you, Sophie. So yeah, that that no Tater thing. 1272 01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:54,780 That's a good 1273 01:20:54,780 --> 01:21:01,110 idea. It's, it's, it's the dream man being able to manipulate or 1274 01:21:01,110 --> 01:21:05,760 create content on the device that you use to consume it. 1275 01:21:06,570 --> 01:21:10,530 Yeah. Which is why phones are pretty cool to think about it. 1276 01:21:13,410 --> 01:21:17,220 Let's see who we got. Paul Saltzman 1277 01:21:18,780 --> 01:21:20,910 another old timer. See, you know, Paul, 1278 01:21:22,380 --> 01:21:25,200 he says, greetings. I'm thrilled to see this progress, and 1279 01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:28,680 unfortunately can't provide any digital contribution. So take my 1280 01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:29,820 monthly fee out money. 1281 01:21:30,060 --> 01:21:32,070 All right. We'd love it. 1282 01:21:33,180 --> 01:21:37,800 Yep, you got a $22.22 subscription each month, which 1283 01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:42,270 is super help. Thank you very much. That's all. Yeah, and 1284 01:21:42,270 --> 01:21:44,220 that's gonna help this month immediately, because I just 1285 01:21:44,220 --> 01:21:48,900 finished this stupid annoying database migration. And head 1286 01:21:48,990 --> 01:21:51,240 that's gonna cost us a little about probably about 20 bucks 1287 01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:51,600 extra, 1288 01:21:51,690 --> 01:21:56,010 I was just thinking about as this starts to build out, you 1289 01:21:56,010 --> 01:22:00,720 know, people who have 20 bucks literally 20 bucks as the as the 1290 01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:03,900 lightning network and and the pieces that are connected to it 1291 01:22:03,900 --> 01:22:08,940 grows, there's a very distinct possibility people will be able 1292 01:22:08,940 --> 01:22:12,840 to provide liquidity with opening channels and routing for 1293 01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:15,720 podcasters. And for listeners, we're gonna need capacity and 1294 01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:18,840 it's not that my Raspberry Pi is not going to handle it. You 1295 01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:22,470 know, we got you know, we've got a nice beefed up node over there 1296 01:22:22,470 --> 01:22:25,920 at voltage, but people could put their 20 bucks into a channel 1297 01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:31,260 and just by providing liquidity and routing on the network and 1298 01:22:31,260 --> 01:22:33,450 also make money off of the whole system. 1299 01:22:34,169 --> 01:22:37,259 Okay, I've got an I've got an idea around this that we do not 1300 01:22:37,259 --> 01:22:40,739 have time for it today. But Nick, either next week. Well, we 1301 01:22:40,739 --> 01:22:43,859 got a guest next week. Okay, got. We got galera man. Next 1302 01:22:43,859 --> 01:22:44,069 week. 1303 01:22:44,100 --> 01:22:46,170 Oh, nice. Yeah, he's fun. 1304 01:22:46,499 --> 01:22:48,719 So maybe the week after I want to talk about this because it's 1305 01:22:48,719 --> 01:22:49,679 a it's a whole discussion. 1306 01:22:50,129 --> 01:22:51,779 Well, you're gonna tease me anymore. 1307 01:22:52,110 --> 01:23:00,480 No, okay. No, this is cuz you got to earn it. This $10 for CC. 1308 01:23:00,480 --> 01:23:04,200 So Morgan, no note from Cecil. Shame. I like reading. 1309 01:23:04,350 --> 01:23:08,010 Thank you. So thank you very much. One time donation from 1310 01:23:08,010 --> 01:23:08,490 Satan. 1311 01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:14,730 See, we got Shawn desantis also gave us $10. Again, no, no, just 1312 01:23:14,730 --> 01:23:15,870 a single donation. Yeah, another 1313 01:23:16,260 --> 01:23:18,060 another name I recognize for sure. 1314 01:23:18,089 --> 01:23:23,549 Yeah. And let's see, there's no note on this one. Chris Calvin 1315 01:23:23,549 --> 01:23:27,269 gave us a $5 a month subscription, which is great. 1316 01:23:27,300 --> 01:23:28,680 Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, thank 1317 01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:32,880 you, Chris. And that's it. That's this great group man. But 1318 01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:34,050 we appreciate the value 1319 01:23:34,050 --> 01:23:37,590 that you have placed on on what's happening here. And 1320 01:23:37,590 --> 01:23:39,960 that's the beauty of it. Certainly when it comes to 1321 01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:43,770 creative work, whether it's you know, podcasts or video or 1322 01:23:43,770 --> 01:23:47,160 whether it's development in my mind, it's all art and you can 1323 01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:50,340 only value that once you have it. And you go look up the 1324 01:23:50,340 --> 01:23:54,630 definition of value it is truly only to be determined by the 1325 01:23:54,660 --> 01:24:00,960 holder of the asset you determine the value so we hold 1326 01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,180 nothing but yeah, now we got five bucks. 1327 01:24:04,650 --> 01:24:07,740 Play play I said two I forgot what that is. I so 1328 01:24:07,740 --> 01:24:08,460 two 1329 01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:13,500 I can truly just eat whatever I want. Oh 1330 01:24:15,300 --> 01:24:16,260 it's not what I thought it was. I 1331 01:24:16,949 --> 01:24:19,529 thought it was I don't know what's what's going on down 1332 01:24:19,529 --> 01:24:20,369 there in Alabama. 1333 01:24:21,329 --> 01:24:22,979 So five might be okay then let's 1334 01:24:23,220 --> 01:24:24,540 go five. 1335 01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:29,160 Oh, my God. That was really stressful. I couldn't 1336 01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:32,520 have such a great show. Yeah, I'm glad you're sending me the 1337 01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:35,820 most important clips from it. Really learning about this 1338 01:24:35,820 --> 01:24:36,540 podcast? 1339 01:24:37,050 --> 01:24:40,320 Maybe Maybe not important. Definitely the most entertaining 1340 01:24:42,390 --> 01:24:46,140 Wow, man. Okay, all over the map today. But yeah, I'm 1341 01:24:46,140 --> 01:24:48,540 sorry about that. No, no, I 1342 01:24:48,570 --> 01:24:51,060 kind of like it. You know, I didn't have much of an update 1343 01:24:51,060 --> 01:24:53,490 and I think we still covered a lot of ground. I'm very excited 1344 01:24:53,490 --> 01:24:57,870 to see what happens in the next in the next couple of weeks is 1345 01:24:57,870 --> 01:25:02,490 more stuff comes online, but I'm definitely I'm gonna see if we 1346 01:25:02,490 --> 01:25:05,400 can get set up with buzzsprout because I just Okay, let's just 1347 01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:10,170 do it for this show, just to start and see how we can work 1348 01:25:10,170 --> 01:25:15,300 out some of the cross tool issues if necessary at all, you 1349 01:25:15,300 --> 01:25:19,320 know, or if there's something I, you know, I don't know, I 1350 01:25:19,410 --> 01:25:21,750 haven't even looked into how it all completely works over there. 1351 01:25:21,990 --> 01:25:25,770 But it just seems like, you know, the guys who are who are 1352 01:25:25,770 --> 01:25:33,420 out front is buzzsprout by a long long, long lead not in 1353 01:25:33,420 --> 01:25:37,830 support but in the tool part. And that's very exciting to me. 1354 01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:42,810 And and and, you know, this podcast should have as much in 1355 01:25:42,810 --> 01:25:45,810 there as possible created with tools that are available. 1356 01:25:46,260 --> 01:25:48,630 Yes, bother. It's bothering me too, because I mean, I want the 1357 01:25:48,630 --> 01:25:51,720 person tag in there for sure. I just got that put into the into 1358 01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:55,350 the index aggregators. This week, so that's we're consuming 1359 01:25:55,350 --> 01:25:57,030 the person tag now. It looks 1360 01:25:57,030 --> 01:25:59,970 cool. I mean, I'm seeing some of the play outs we got just looks 1361 01:25:59,970 --> 01:26:00,450 cool. 1362 01:26:00,810 --> 01:26:03,990 Immediately we can we can start doing really nice stuff with 1363 01:26:03,990 --> 01:26:08,370 that like, trend in a trending person's hot people 1364 01:26:08,370 --> 01:26:15,180 Hot or Not? Hot. Yeah, swipe right. Dave Jones again, swipe 1365 01:26:15,180 --> 01:26:15,780 left, 1366 01:26:16,020 --> 01:26:17,850 counter podcast index. Stick it in. 1367 01:26:19,650 --> 01:26:20,400 All right, Dave. 1368 01:26:21,390 --> 01:26:23,670 What's you doing this weekend? You need anything else for the 1369 01:26:23,670 --> 01:26:26,160 next couple of days? Are we good on what we got to do? 1370 01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:31,020 No, I got I got I got to do list which is that's on the to do 1371 01:26:31,020 --> 01:26:32,250 list and coffee. 1372 01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:37,440 Which is the one thing that we ran out of and luckily we've got 1373 01:26:37,440 --> 01:26:40,980 great neighbors has no good run out of coffee in any kind of 1374 01:26:40,980 --> 01:26:42,090 crisis situation. 1375 01:26:42,810 --> 01:26:45,690 Are you bartering coffee for hot showers? 1376 01:26:45,900 --> 01:26:50,280 No. Well, interestingly, the neighbor who well I went out 1377 01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:54,270 there and I said, Hey, neighbor, you want to trade some weed for 1378 01:26:54,270 --> 01:26:57,660 some coffee? And he said, you know, we said no, I need coffee. 1379 01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:02,160 Wait, where do you get this in reverse? 1380 01:27:02,700 --> 01:27:09,330 He said you got a weed you need weed? No man he coffees like so 1381 01:27:09,390 --> 01:27:11,850 it was the three of us standing out there shoveling the driveway 1382 01:27:11,850 --> 01:27:15,510 with the wrong shovels you know with like dirt shovels and and 1383 01:27:15,510 --> 01:27:18,900 among guys, I got five five pounds of beans and everything 1384 01:27:18,900 --> 01:27:21,900 and so they were grinding it in the in the car on the 110 with a 1385 01:27:21,900 --> 01:27:23,070 little mini grinder. 1386 01:27:23,459 --> 01:27:24,449 It's like wampum 1387 01:27:25,350 --> 01:27:29,250 was total wampum but then his his hot water heater went out it 1388 01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:32,820 I mean, we all have the same here which is the tankless 1389 01:27:32,850 --> 01:27:36,270 electric and yeah, but his pipes cracked at the at the heat 1390 01:27:36,270 --> 01:27:38,940 exchange and there's no plumber. There's nothing 1391 01:27:40,050 --> 01:27:41,970 that you gotta just replace them. You gotta replace 1392 01:27:41,970 --> 01:27:45,150 it. And so I said, Hey, man, you know, come on over for first 1393 01:27:45,150 --> 01:27:49,800 shower, whatever you guys want. And my other neighbor. Now 1394 01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:52,980 something something's broke over at his house, but he does have 1395 01:27:53,220 --> 01:27:56,430 water and he was joking around you were an hour on text groups. 1396 01:27:56,880 --> 01:28:01,380 He's like 25 cents a shower. I'm like fuck it. five cents and we 1397 01:28:01,380 --> 01:28:02,460 take Bitcoin. 1398 01:28:02,820 --> 01:28:05,430 Yeah, that's 100 SATs a minute but 1399 01:28:05,490 --> 01:28:08,610 just just scan the QR code on your way into the bathroom 1400 01:28:08,610 --> 01:28:09,300 you'll be fine. 1401 01:28:09,660 --> 01:28:12,960 If you have like some kind of Frou Frou fancy soap like lad 1402 01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:15,120 lavender cannonvale Yeah. 1403 01:28:19,350 --> 01:28:24,270 All right. Day Thanks, man. Have yourself a great weekend and we 1404 01:28:24,270 --> 01:28:27,180 will talk again next week for the board meeting of podcasting 1405 01:28:27,180 --> 01:28:31,950 2.0 podcast index.org Till then Take it easy, everybody. Bye. 1406 01:28:48,090 --> 01:28:52,650 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 visit podcast. 1407 01:28:53,790 --> 01:28:55,410 For more information. 1408 01:28:55,740 --> 01:28:58,200 It is going pretty great.