1 00:00:00,450 --> 00:00:05,790 podcasting 2.0 for February 12 2021, Episode 24 value 2 00:00:05,790 --> 00:00:17,520 economics. I hope I can figure out what that means. And even 3 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:21,930 though it's cold outside, it is hot in the boardroom here for 4 00:00:21,930 --> 00:00:26,940 podcasting 2.0 podcast index.org I'm Adam Curry in Austin, Texas. 5 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:31,530 And in Alabama, the man who can calculate 100% of the value 6 00:00:31,530 --> 00:00:34,140 split my friend on the other end danger. 7 00:00:35,579 --> 00:00:40,019 Yeah, cold is right. It is cold as a well diggers, but in 8 00:00:40,199 --> 00:00:41,189 Birmingham, Alabama, 9 00:00:41,670 --> 00:00:44,700 uh, well, diggers, but I like it. I had not heard this. This 10 00:00:44,700 --> 00:00:47,610 is good. Is that what you get when y'all say down there? Yes. 11 00:00:47,610 --> 00:00:49,680 What we're saying down here. Over there. 12 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,560 I mean, they're expecting seven degrees in Austin. I think. 13 00:00:53,340 --> 00:00:54,240 Sunday. 14 00:00:54,570 --> 00:00:59,700 Did you say seven? Seven? That ain't right. Yeah. That is not 15 00:00:59,700 --> 00:01:06,060 right. For this out. We are supposed to be like 20 like 18 16 00:01:06,090 --> 00:01:11,640 or 20. On Sunday, it was literally 70 degrees here two 17 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:12,210 days ago. 18 00:01:12,270 --> 00:01:15,750 Oh, yeah. No, we had exactly the same thing. It's it's bizarre 19 00:01:15,750 --> 00:01:16,290 kind of. 20 00:01:17,130 --> 00:01:21,690 Yeah. I don't know what the polar vortex is or getting this 21 00:01:21,690 --> 00:01:23,940 out. I don't know what's funny. Like, it's funny 22 00:01:23,940 --> 00:01:27,600 how we never heard about that as kids this polar vortex business. 23 00:01:28,050 --> 00:01:33,180 You know, what we did hear about was the hole in the ozone layer? 24 00:01:33,330 --> 00:01:36,750 Yes. Which, which just seems to magically repaired itself. 25 00:01:36,810 --> 00:01:39,540 I got a lot of grief for that. Because one of the there were 26 00:01:39,540 --> 00:01:43,320 two main sources of the devastating hole in the ozone 27 00:01:43,320 --> 00:01:47,340 layer. One was air conditioning, and the other was hairspray. And 28 00:01:47,340 --> 00:01:49,710 man in the 80s people were mad at me. 29 00:01:51,930 --> 00:01:58,380 You were you were at least 40% of the whole came directly from 30 00:01:58,380 --> 00:02:03,030 the New York around the MTV studios. 31 00:02:03,510 --> 00:02:05,340 Oh, man. Yeah, exactly. 32 00:02:07,319 --> 00:02:11,819 You know, Valentine's day Sunday? Yes. And I think we 33 00:02:11,819 --> 00:02:13,859 should need to start the show off a little bit different. 34 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:19,110 I love you. And I'm sorry. I was right on cue, man. 35 00:02:19,170 --> 00:02:21,840 I love you. And I'm so glad we're doing this together. I 36 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,750 love you. And I'm so glad that we're doing this together. 37 00:02:24,810 --> 00:02:29,160 Oh, Dave, I love you. And I'm so glad we're doing this together. 38 00:02:30,150 --> 00:02:33,660 That's the way you start a monitor. Hello? Hello. Yeah, 39 00:02:34,230 --> 00:02:34,560 that's 40 00:02:34,830 --> 00:02:36,810 nice. Don't don't don't leave me hanging. 41 00:02:37,830 --> 00:02:40,590 Adam, I love you. And I'm so glad we're doing this together. 42 00:02:41,100 --> 00:02:47,010 Thank you. Now the universe is equal. Okay. Wow, man. How's it 43 00:02:47,010 --> 00:02:49,650 been? I think it's been I kind of lost track of the week. I'm 44 00:02:49,650 --> 00:02:53,760 not even sure what happened anymore. There was so much so 45 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:54,330 much. 46 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,360 That's a pretty good description. Yeah, there's a lot 47 00:02:57,420 --> 00:03:00,540 It was. It was kind of a it was kind of a weird week. It just 48 00:03:00,540 --> 00:03:05,430 kind of flew by and I don't really know how to explain it. 49 00:03:05,430 --> 00:03:08,580 It was it was kind of busy at work. And I was trying to keep 50 00:03:08,580 --> 00:03:12,270 up with with that and with podcast stuff. I think there's 51 00:03:12,300 --> 00:03:15,750 one or two days where I was just kind of, you know, missing an 52 00:03:15,750 --> 00:03:18,210 action but yeah, that's right. Oh, yeah. 53 00:03:18,630 --> 00:03:19,440 I felt that 54 00:03:20,670 --> 00:03:24,420 Yeah, I was I was having trouble with as I have some some 55 00:03:24,420 --> 00:03:24,780 trouble. 56 00:03:24,870 --> 00:03:29,340 Let me let me explain what that means. I felt that Oh, yes. I 57 00:03:29,340 --> 00:03:33,840 love you. I'm so happy to be doing a podcast. Now in general 58 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,180 though, let me just say this universally maybe more people 59 00:03:36,180 --> 00:03:41,310 have felt this. Besides that you were out and I Dave's got 60 00:03:41,310 --> 00:03:44,970 something going on? He's clearly he he's busy but he'll show up 61 00:03:44,970 --> 00:03:47,490 and yeah, and sure enough you posted like near the end of the 62 00:03:47,490 --> 00:03:49,290 day or whatever is that and that's how I know if people are 63 00:03:49,290 --> 00:03:52,500 alive his podcast index dot social. But in general, it's 64 00:03:52,500 --> 00:03:57,900 basically the Apple Watch of his The day after the Super Bowl 65 00:03:57,900 --> 00:04:03,750 Monday up into well, even today still, my email has been low 66 00:04:03,750 --> 00:04:09,180 volume. I've seen low volume of posts on Twitter. In fact, the 67 00:04:09,180 --> 00:04:13,020 only thing where there was any real action was on on the index 68 00:04:13,020 --> 00:04:16,410 mastodon it was noticeable very noticeable. I don't know what 69 00:04:16,410 --> 00:04:20,160 happens like we're also Mercury's in retrograde or some 70 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,010 of you know something like that. Whoa, what's going on? 71 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,140 Yeah, it's not good astrology. 72 00:04:25,140 --> 00:04:32,400 Yeah, that bad stuff happens. I have a personal astrologer the 73 00:04:32,430 --> 00:04:35,130 penny she's the official no agenda astrologer she sends me 74 00:04:35,130 --> 00:04:38,280 stuff all the time about my my stars, my numbers and all of 75 00:04:38,280 --> 00:04:41,610 this lines up all of what's happening with podcasting. 2.0 76 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,820 is has been predicted in the stars. There are no 77 00:04:44,820 --> 00:04:45,600 coincidences. 78 00:04:46,049 --> 00:04:49,439 The that's the Adam Curry is right. motto. 79 00:04:49,530 --> 00:04:52,410 And there also are no secrets. Only information you don't yet 80 00:04:52,410 --> 00:04:57,840 have. Yes, yes. And that's true. That's the true motto. Yeah, so 81 00:04:57,840 --> 00:05:00,840 tell me what you were working on. On the index and we can kind 82 00:05:00,840 --> 00:05:03,210 of pick it up from there. So we can figure out what, what the 83 00:05:03,210 --> 00:05:07,470 update is because I have a lot of value for value stuff. But 84 00:05:07,500 --> 00:05:10,620 you know, maybe do you have any namespace talk? Because, um, 85 00:05:11,610 --> 00:05:16,770 I mean, not, not really, I think we do need to talk. We, you 86 00:05:16,770 --> 00:05:20,160 know, we kind of finished up and, you know, quote, unquote, 87 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:24,390 shipped phase two, but I don't wait, I've been trying to think 88 00:05:24,390 --> 00:05:29,370 of, sort of the next step. And I've been contacting some people 89 00:05:29,370 --> 00:05:33,060 and posting on the namespace and like, hey, what, you know, where 90 00:05:33,060 --> 00:05:35,310 do we want to go from here? I mean, what do we want to do? 91 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:39,660 Next? I thought, what a no. And Tom and James a few other 92 00:05:39,660 --> 00:05:44,880 people, you know, gave responses, but I'm not real sure 93 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,660 what that means. May we do we, I said, what I said, well, we'll 94 00:05:48,660 --> 00:05:51,420 just talk about it on the in the board meeting and see what we 95 00:05:51,420 --> 00:05:54,270 want to do. Because I got some, I got some ideas. And, you know, 96 00:05:54,270 --> 00:05:57,270 James mentioned tastes like, hey, maybe maybe we need to kind 97 00:05:57,270 --> 00:06:00,270 of take take a breather from Korea from building new things. 98 00:06:00,270 --> 00:06:05,610 And, like, make sure that we get apps and hosts and stuff to kind 99 00:06:05,610 --> 00:06:06,090 of catch up 100 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,810 now there. Now there's a there's a point to that. And now I am 101 00:06:09,810 --> 00:06:12,780 recalling some of the things that I saw over the past week. 102 00:06:13,230 --> 00:06:17,460 Beautiful was to see buzzsprout popping up with, you know, with 103 00:06:17,460 --> 00:06:21,600 location tags, so content content is being created, 104 00:06:21,690 --> 00:06:25,110 Cridland is doing it, everybody is starting to create and take 105 00:06:25,110 --> 00:06:28,890 advantage of well, chapters is another one. And I'm seeing 106 00:06:28,890 --> 00:06:33,330 people switching apps. I mean, this is all just stuff I'm 107 00:06:33,330 --> 00:06:38,460 noticing on Twitter, because I get tagged in it. So there is 108 00:06:38,490 --> 00:06:41,310 Yeah, I think it's almost time to like pull back on the yoke a 109 00:06:41,310 --> 00:06:44,790 little bit, you know, because things feel that lifting off, 110 00:06:44,940 --> 00:06:49,500 like the nose wheel is starting to become a little light. And 111 00:06:49,500 --> 00:06:53,400 really, when you see the content being created, specifically for 112 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,190 these features, that's when you know, now something is 113 00:06:56,190 --> 00:07:03,390 happening. And and we're seeing who just added chapter images 114 00:07:03,390 --> 00:07:06,150 buzzsprout. So they just added that, yes. So they added that to 115 00:07:06,150 --> 00:07:09,120 the their suite. And those guys are just kicking ass. You got 116 00:07:09,450 --> 00:07:13,770 sir gene showing up? Who was starting to understand some of 117 00:07:13,770 --> 00:07:15,990 the features, you know, he still say, well, it doesn't work on 118 00:07:15,990 --> 00:07:20,070 overcast, you know, so, and he's a smart guy. So it's like, a 119 00:07:20,070 --> 00:07:22,650 little bit of education there. But there is something to be 120 00:07:22,650 --> 00:07:26,520 said for taking a breather, but I'd hate to lose momentum. At 121 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:30,810 least we need to plant a flag in the future or maybe have a cut 122 00:07:30,810 --> 00:07:32,550 off or proposal. You know what I mean? 123 00:07:33,239 --> 00:07:35,339 Yeah, I was thinking that same thing, too. It's like there's 124 00:07:35,339 --> 00:07:42,659 this tension between between move momentum and, and runaway 125 00:07:42,690 --> 00:07:46,200 runaway runaway train, like no, yeah, yeah. And 126 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,230 I don't want to do that, you know, cuz, like we you actually 127 00:07:49,230 --> 00:07:53,040 do, there is some wisdom in in kind of, Okay, let's, let's take 128 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,250 a pause and take a breather and say, Okay, let's give people and 129 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:58,980 the reality is I haven't even caught up yet. I mean, I don't 130 00:07:58,980 --> 00:08:02,280 even have a PR person and location are not even in the 131 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,490 index yet. No, no, often halfway finished. 132 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,340 Well, there's your answer. Yes, here's your answer. 133 00:08:09,420 --> 00:08:11,970 But I do think we need a time limit there. So like, let's just 134 00:08:11,970 --> 00:08:15,990 say, Well, okay, let's, let's pause. Let's have a seven, 135 00:08:16,140 --> 00:08:21,750 seven. intermission intermission between now and let's say we 136 00:08:21,750 --> 00:08:25,350 pick up phase three, and, you know, 30 days from now or 137 00:08:25,350 --> 00:08:28,800 whatever. And start didn't begin to take submissions for that and 138 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,310 begin to discuss it. Let's pause for a month but have an actual 139 00:08:32,310 --> 00:08:35,550 date in mind where we don't say, hey, let's just let's chill out 140 00:08:35,550 --> 00:08:37,590 for a while. Because I don't like that either. 141 00:08:37,619 --> 00:08:41,009 Yeah, no, agreed. And here's what I'm feeling because I tried 142 00:08:41,009 --> 00:08:44,879 to use all the apps that everyone's working on, try out 143 00:08:44,879 --> 00:08:47,699 the new features, promote them, obviously, you got to post them 144 00:08:47,699 --> 00:08:52,049 No, no, no agenda, no agenda, podcasts index dot social, so I 145 00:08:52,049 --> 00:08:57,239 can see it to get some, I still have, like 57,000 Twitter 146 00:08:57,239 --> 00:09:02,249 followers as their real to use that post purge, this post 147 00:09:02,249 --> 00:09:07,409 purge. So useful wagon useful wagon. But I can see, right now 148 00:09:07,409 --> 00:09:10,649 a lot of people are excited about lightning, and they're 149 00:09:10,649 --> 00:09:15,449 integrating that. And I know, and maybe our guests later today 150 00:09:15,449 --> 00:09:18,449 will be able to tell us more. But I know some people have put 151 00:09:18,449 --> 00:09:22,829 some things aside that they wanted to fix and enhance do 152 00:09:22,829 --> 00:09:26,759 another version of to do this. And I think for my money, we've 153 00:09:26,759 --> 00:09:30,899 pushed very hard and everyone's pushed themselves very hard. And 154 00:09:30,899 --> 00:09:34,829 maybe we just, I mean, there's integration between the things 155 00:09:34,829 --> 00:09:39,329 that we have created already some of the newer tags and 156 00:09:39,329 --> 00:09:44,519 lightning I mean, there's stuff to be done here. That and and 157 00:09:45,029 --> 00:09:47,909 and neither you or I are qualified and we need to hear 158 00:09:47,909 --> 00:09:51,959 from the from the developers we need to hear what what they want 159 00:09:51,959 --> 00:09:56,309 and or individually. I have a feeling just just guessing that 160 00:09:56,309 --> 00:09:59,849 they'll probably like yeah, it'd be okay to let's work on this 161 00:09:59,849 --> 00:10:03,419 right. Now and maybe we have instead of a deadline of 162 00:10:03,419 --> 00:10:05,729 something that, you know, could people have to do additional 163 00:10:05,729 --> 00:10:08,519 thinking we have a debt, a start line. It's like on this date, 164 00:10:08,519 --> 00:10:09,329 we're gonna start. 165 00:10:10,620 --> 00:10:12,330 I like that. Yeah, I think that's 166 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,570 Yeah, I think it needs another deadline for something. I don't 167 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,630 know. I don't either. That's a lot of stress. 168 00:10:18,659 --> 00:10:22,199 Yeah. And that's not why we did this. We did not do this for any 169 00:10:22,199 --> 00:10:26,399 kind of stress or bullcrap, or any of that. Also not for 170 00:10:26,399 --> 00:10:29,279 profit, which is kind of interesting. Very funny. 171 00:10:29,519 --> 00:10:33,899 Well, I think you, I think, I think we both are kind of 172 00:10:33,899 --> 00:10:37,949 similar. I mean, I know that you and I both get excited about 173 00:10:37,949 --> 00:10:41,669 something. And we just, it's like, it just has to burn itself 174 00:10:41,669 --> 00:10:45,209 out of our brain. I mean, like, it just has got to make it 175 00:10:45,209 --> 00:10:46,019 happen. That's 176 00:10:46,049 --> 00:10:48,239 the source of my sleepless nights sometimes. 177 00:10:48,269 --> 00:10:49,049 Yeah, yes. I 178 00:10:49,050 --> 00:10:50,940 just got to try this. One more thing. 179 00:10:51,510 --> 00:10:54,570 Yeah. And so I think we've sort of come to a net is like a 180 00:10:54,570 --> 00:11:00,000 natural kind of, that's that that initial burnout has worked 181 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,940 itself out. I've got it out of my brain now. But now I really 182 00:11:02,940 --> 00:11:05,460 need to do a couple of things. I mean, I got to finish person and 183 00:11:05,460 --> 00:11:09,870 location tag. Also. there's work to be done on the value blog. 184 00:11:09,900 --> 00:11:11,490 There needs some tweaks there. 185 00:11:11,549 --> 00:11:15,959 Yeah. Cuz then that may start to accelerate once people start to 186 00:11:15,959 --> 00:11:20,489 see it. I mean, I'm seeing increases. Now. I'm an almost 187 00:11:20,489 --> 00:11:25,379 three bucks a day. On my personal my personal stuff, and 188 00:11:25,379 --> 00:11:27,659 I don't know who's using it. But the 189 00:11:27,660 --> 00:11:31,800 one that that is that the note that like no agenda and podcasts 190 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:33,870 and extra social, I mean, yeah, like, Yes, yeah, 191 00:11:33,870 --> 00:11:37,110 no, yeah. That is across my segment of this show. My split 192 00:11:37,110 --> 00:11:40,950 of no agenda and my split of mo facts. I think this this show is 193 00:11:40,950 --> 00:11:43,530 the majority of it. And the boost. I mean, the boost is 194 00:11:43,530 --> 00:11:46,170 where it's you know, boost is where, where stuff comes from. 195 00:11:46,170 --> 00:11:51,630 But if you look at the, the, just the number of transactions, 196 00:11:52,230 --> 00:11:56,130 which is what I posted on on the mastodon the other day, yeah, 197 00:11:56,130 --> 00:12:02,100 like 10 K. Yeah, the index is seen over 10,000 minutes. And so 198 00:12:02,100 --> 00:12:06,270 that's excluding the boosts. Wow. So it's just, it's just the 199 00:12:06,270 --> 00:12:09,900 minutes that a minute payment went out in a month, which is, 200 00:12:10,290 --> 00:12:12,060 it comes down to like, 700 hours, I 201 00:12:12,060 --> 00:12:16,380 think. Geez, laziness. Am I saying? Literally at home? Yeah. 202 00:12:16,380 --> 00:12:17,280 Thanks. Am I saying 203 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:17,730 that right? 204 00:12:18,870 --> 00:12:22,200 So it's like, I mean, 10,000 9000 would be 205 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:32,760 10,006 10 123 divided by 69? Yeah, it is. Now there wasn't 206 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:37,170 that much. I knew it couldn't be that much. 166. How can it be 207 00:12:37,170 --> 00:12:39,870 fun? What I do now? That's not right. What the hell this is 208 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:47,970 Microsoft calculator. That doesn't tell you enough. It 209 00:12:47,970 --> 00:12:48,510 seems 210 00:12:48,539 --> 00:12:53,279 no, it seems. This is the part of the show where we do 211 00:12:53,399 --> 00:12:57,149 a horrible No, it's 166 hours. I'm telling you. That's what it 212 00:12:57,149 --> 00:12:58,799 is. Am I doing that? Right? 213 00:12:59,190 --> 00:13:04,110 It's 10,000 hours, right? No? 10,000 minutes. 10,000 minutes 214 00:13:04,110 --> 00:13:11,370 divided by 60 166 hours? Yeah. Okay. That's not exactly not 215 00:13:11,370 --> 00:13:12,180 what I thought it was. 216 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,100 No, that's much less than I thought it was. 217 00:13:14,940 --> 00:13:22,710 But still 166 hours when you've got 15 or make 15 podcasts? 218 00:13:23,279 --> 00:13:27,419 Oh, yeah. It's and who the hell knows. I mean, that's pretty 219 00:13:27,419 --> 00:13:31,049 much Sphinx and, and pod station. That's the only things 220 00:13:31,049 --> 00:13:34,469 that'll do it. So I'm amazed. I'm amazed that Sphinx is 221 00:13:34,499 --> 00:13:37,859 demonstrates this. Man, those guys, I appreciate them so much. 222 00:13:38,279 --> 00:13:43,079 They're redoing their whole back end. Whatever happened when they 223 00:13:43,709 --> 00:13:48,059 when they brought us in? Like we came in and we poop so hard that 224 00:13:48,059 --> 00:13:51,299 their plumbing, the plumbing is just jacked. It's like you know 225 00:13:51,299 --> 00:13:53,969 that pull that sludge out? You know, that you see on TV? 226 00:13:54,029 --> 00:13:58,529 Hey, don't be like Caddyshack. It's like Snickers Snickers just 227 00:13:58,529 --> 00:13:59,609 floating in the pool. You know? 228 00:14:00,929 --> 00:14:03,719 people stop putting those podcast wipes down the tube, 229 00:14:03,749 --> 00:14:08,369 you're clogging up the system. It's turning into a rock 230 00:14:08,369 --> 00:14:12,449 formation. So yeah, and I feel really bad. But on the other 231 00:14:12,449 --> 00:14:15,209 hand, I think we really did everyone in service. 232 00:14:15,690 --> 00:14:19,920 I heard from and on the on the Sphinx. podcasting two point 233 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:24,720 eltra Yeah, no, I'm sorry, the podcast lightning tribe that I 234 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,410 thought I thought he was dead. I thought we lost it. 235 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,000 Either either. They had abandoned ship. And it was just 236 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:37,230 like floating Deathstar or they were floating, or they were or 237 00:14:37,230 --> 00:14:39,750 they were patching holes and I think it was a lot of plugging. 238 00:14:40,260 --> 00:14:42,330 Yeah, and now like these guys are gonna be heads down 239 00:14:42,330 --> 00:14:44,460 developing that's that's what's going on here. 240 00:14:44,940 --> 00:14:48,690 They said they're working on some stuff and we got it. We got 241 00:14:48,690 --> 00:14:50,760 some tweaks to make to the value block for him. I 242 00:14:50,759 --> 00:14:52,379 got we got stuff to do. 243 00:14:52,409 --> 00:14:53,849 Ellen pay. Yeah, yeah. 244 00:14:55,169 --> 00:14:59,999 Good anyway, so that's probably a good idea. You know, and we 245 00:14:59,999 --> 00:15:04,949 Have a we just have many other things to, to to check off the 246 00:15:04,949 --> 00:15:08,639 list everybody does. Everybody has a list of stuff. And no, I'm 247 00:15:08,639 --> 00:15:12,329 just sitting here waiting, like, and also, I need to go out on 248 00:15:12,329 --> 00:15:15,839 the on the road again, the virtual road. You know, I got a 249 00:15:15,839 --> 00:15:18,539 couple more podcasts, I got to bring some more people in, we 250 00:15:18,539 --> 00:15:22,049 got to tell our story. Our story is refined, it keeps getting 251 00:15:22,049 --> 00:15:27,059 better. The story is accentuated the whole world is looking at 252 00:15:27,059 --> 00:15:31,049 alternatives to the platforms. We're kind of in the sweet spot. 253 00:15:32,190 --> 00:15:37,620 Yeah, I think so. The time, the timing of everything, of when 254 00:15:37,620 --> 00:15:40,380 this was going to be needed exceeded, you know, like, 255 00:15:40,860 --> 00:15:44,400 exceeded my expectations. It was like, Well, we've got these 256 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,590 ideas about things that may happen in the future. And then 257 00:15:46,590 --> 00:15:48,570 they happened like a month later, you know? 258 00:15:49,380 --> 00:15:52,440 Well, here's, here's something I feel is coming. Because right 259 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:57,240 now I've been through when podcasting started and when I 260 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,270 was foolish enough to think we could do this and the 261 00:16:00,270 --> 00:16:03,660 traditional broadcast model raised VC money went out to San 262 00:16:03,660 --> 00:16:09,660 Francisco. We were on a path and podcasting was Yeah, was was was 263 00:16:09,660 --> 00:16:11,700 the hottest thing. It was the darling and then all of a 264 00:16:11,700 --> 00:16:16,410 sudden, Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, all of these community 265 00:16:16,410 --> 00:16:21,240 based thing social networks. And, and I would say YouTube was 266 00:16:21,300 --> 00:16:24,300 was just enormous. I mean that that made us change our business 267 00:16:24,300 --> 00:16:31,590 model. In hindsight, none of it was good. So podcasting kind of 268 00:16:31,590 --> 00:16:35,490 got pushed down to the bottom, and it grew very steadily until 269 00:16:36,570 --> 00:16:39,810 cereal came along a couple of years back. And then from there, 270 00:16:39,810 --> 00:16:43,440 it just exploded. And also because people were so sick and 271 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,290 tired of what they were getting with you they were missing 272 00:16:46,500 --> 00:16:50,310 something and that's something is clearly solved by podcasting 273 00:16:50,310 --> 00:16:52,950 where you can do other autonomous things while you're 274 00:16:52,950 --> 00:16:57,810 listening. It's much more peaceful, restful than looking 275 00:16:57,810 --> 00:17:00,390 at a social network. It's just a good experience and people like 276 00:17:00,390 --> 00:17:05,580 it. Now we have something that is I think is going to push 277 00:17:05,580 --> 00:17:11,280 podcasting down in the in the press for a little bit. And that 278 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:12,360 is clubhouse. 279 00:17:13,799 --> 00:17:15,839 I'm glad you brought this up because I want to talk about 280 00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:16,259 this. 281 00:17:17,190 --> 00:17:17,820 And I'll 282 00:17:19,980 --> 00:17:22,140 give you my opinion, then we need to bring in our guest 283 00:17:23,460 --> 00:17:25,560 because I think they I think David has opinions on this. Oh, 284 00:17:25,559 --> 00:17:28,409 man. You can don't don't no spoilers on the guests, man. 285 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,410 I'm sorry. I mean, Ned, Jim. 286 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,460 Every everybody has said well screw it. Let's bring him in. 287 00:17:38,460 --> 00:17:42,000 And then I can prognosticate. And then we can hear. We can 288 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,720 hear his opinion. Ladies and gentlemen, podcasting. 2.0 was 289 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,590 very proud to welcome to the boardroom, that genius behind in 290 00:17:49,590 --> 00:17:54,450 app community chapters from hyper catcher. David Norman. 291 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:57,030 Wow, I can't live up to that. 292 00:17:57,839 --> 00:18:00,449 You do my man, you do live up to it. 293 00:18:00,810 --> 00:18:03,240 Super excited to be here. Thanks a lot for having me. 294 00:18:03,330 --> 00:18:07,350 No, do we love having you here you you've been along for quite 295 00:18:07,350 --> 00:18:14,010 the ride. Gee, you know, we know so little about you. Really? I 296 00:18:14,010 --> 00:18:17,730 guess. I'd love to know who is David Norman. Besides the the 297 00:18:17,730 --> 00:18:19,380 guy who does Piper catcher 298 00:18:19,410 --> 00:18:22,380 that's by design. He doesn't want you to know that he lives 299 00:18:22,380 --> 00:18:24,150 in a cabin in Idaho. 300 00:18:28,170 --> 00:18:31,800 I do. I do live pretty deep in the woods. So I'm, I'm pretty 301 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:35,340 excited that my internet is held up for this long. So you are in 302 00:18:35,339 --> 00:18:36,479 Idaho? Is that where you are? 303 00:18:37,170 --> 00:18:39,990 No, I'm actually north of Seattle about an hour north of 304 00:18:39,990 --> 00:18:40,500 Seattle. 305 00:18:40,530 --> 00:18:41,100 Oh, wow. 306 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,330 Yeah. So I'm a San Francisco Bay Area guy I grew up there. I 307 00:18:45,330 --> 00:18:48,660 moved out here to actually have a chance at owning a home. 308 00:18:49,530 --> 00:18:56,940 Right? Yes. Good idea that that is like, I think there's a lot 309 00:18:57,090 --> 00:19:00,360 from the last two or three articles I've read. There's like 310 00:19:00,360 --> 00:19:03,300 a mass exodus going on out of San Francisco right now. 311 00:19:03,660 --> 00:19:06,240 Yeah, yeah. So I got I was a little bit ahead of the curve. I 312 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:11,130 got out a couple years ago. But I definitely kind of, I don't 313 00:19:11,130 --> 00:19:14,130 want to say I told you so. But I get to the people who are still 314 00:19:14,130 --> 00:19:17,400 there. But you know, I worked in San Francisco for a little 315 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:21,060 while. You know, taking the train into the city, I still 316 00:19:21,060 --> 00:19:24,360 kind of lived outside of the kind of there's no way I was 317 00:19:24,360 --> 00:19:29,010 gonna afford something inside of San Francisco. But just coming 318 00:19:29,010 --> 00:19:32,280 into the city every day and just Seattle was actually a big 319 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:35,220 improvement to that. And a couple of ways. 320 00:19:35,550 --> 00:19:40,440 Now, you've been in the tech business. Yeah, for a while or 321 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,910 Yeah, so I've been a mobile software engineer for about 10 322 00:19:44,910 --> 00:19:52,560 years now. See before that, kind of get started. join the Navy 323 00:19:52,650 --> 00:19:57,450 out of high school. I was there for five years. Oh, flying on. 324 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:04,650 air crew flying on PTC on Ryan's respirator nice. So that's kind 325 00:20:04,650 --> 00:20:05,580 of my whole 326 00:20:05,609 --> 00:20:08,879 kind of real cold there. Yeah. 327 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,530 But that that's kind of where I kind of see my intro, my intro 328 00:20:13,530 --> 00:20:15,720 to podcasting and how I got involved. It's just we would be 329 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,840 on flights for hours at a time. And I would kind of take radio 330 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:23,010 shows with me on my iPod. And I think you had some tech back 331 00:20:23,010 --> 00:20:25,140 then that would have helped make that better that I didn't know 332 00:20:25,140 --> 00:20:31,620 about it. So I would just download a radio show on my iPod 333 00:20:31,710 --> 00:20:34,170 and, and just bring it with me and just get as many as I 334 00:20:34,170 --> 00:20:38,670 possibly could, at the time. And yeah, when I got out of the 335 00:20:38,670 --> 00:20:42,900 Navy, I went to college and the Joe Rogan experience that kind 336 00:20:42,900 --> 00:20:45,900 of started around that time. I got my first iPhone. And I was 337 00:20:45,900 --> 00:20:49,290 just been, like, just huge in the podcasting since then. Nice 338 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:49,740 in that. 339 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,310 Yeah. And so did you just decide at some point, you know, I could 340 00:20:53,310 --> 00:20:54,240 make this better? 341 00:20:55,410 --> 00:21:03,330 Yeah, yeah. So I was a overcast user for a long time. And the 342 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,870 thing that actually sparked it in my mind was secretary at a 343 00:21:06,870 --> 00:21:11,700 podcast that came out. We have been Thomson. Yep, exactly. And 344 00:21:12,210 --> 00:21:14,250 so I subscribed to that. And he actually had this really cool 345 00:21:14,250 --> 00:21:17,640 feature. I'd never seen it before, which was an integration 346 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:23,940 with overcast that would change the the album art based on the 347 00:21:23,940 --> 00:21:24,600 chapters. 348 00:21:24,690 --> 00:21:27,270 Ah, that daddy three tag, right? 349 00:21:27,390 --> 00:21:31,290 Yep, yep, exactly. And he kind of I think people have been 350 00:21:31,290 --> 00:21:35,520 doing that. But he kind of worked it into his to the actual 351 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,880 program. So he would actually mention at certain points, you 352 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,070 know, if you have the overcast app, at this point, you'll see 353 00:21:41,070 --> 00:21:44,250 this diagram that I put on the screen, and you'll see that 354 00:21:44,310 --> 00:21:47,130 you'll see it update. And I just thought like, why isn't there an 355 00:21:47,130 --> 00:21:52,500 app kind of built with that integrated? as kind of the, you 356 00:21:52,500 --> 00:21:55,050 know, the function of the app? Why does it have to be kind of 357 00:21:55,050 --> 00:21:59,820 hacked into album art? And that's where I kind of came up 358 00:21:59,820 --> 00:22:02,370 with the idea of hyper capture, and you know, bringing actual 359 00:22:02,370 --> 00:22:06,720 full, integrated web experiences right into the right into the 360 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:07,410 podcast app. 361 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,270 Oh, that's interesting. So you're already heading in that 362 00:22:09,270 --> 00:22:13,800 direction mentally before before the captors and all that and 363 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,660 transcripts and all that stuff were even thought of? 364 00:22:17,070 --> 00:22:22,800 Yeah, I mean, a little bit. Yeah, I hadn't? Yeah, I think it 365 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,220 was, that was a huge revolution, when you kind of brought up the 366 00:22:26,220 --> 00:22:31,710 idea of embedding it into the as a as a JSON attachment to the 367 00:22:31,710 --> 00:22:34,320 RSS feed, because that enabled so much stuff that I hadn't even 368 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:39,390 been thinking about yet. That was huge. But yeah, I've been 369 00:22:39,390 --> 00:22:42,420 trying to find ways to get people to use chapters more and 370 00:22:42,810 --> 00:22:45,510 for a while now, because I just saw so much potential with them. 371 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,890 And there's just a kind of a big hurdle to integrating them 372 00:22:49,890 --> 00:22:51,780 because he had to actually integrate it directly into the 373 00:22:51,780 --> 00:22:52,710 mp3 file. 374 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:58,020 Yeah, I want to give you a an official award for something you 375 00:22:58,020 --> 00:23:02,790 did. Yeah. And I picked this, this thinking up from, from Dave 376 00:23:02,790 --> 00:23:08,280 Weiner, the idea that you are authoring in the same 377 00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:15,360 application you use to look at the runtime. And the just the 378 00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:20,130 whole concept of a podcast app, this is the first interactive 379 00:23:20,130 --> 00:23:25,530 feature, I think ever that has truly been deployed. And this is 380 00:23:25,530 --> 00:23:29,280 clearly an interactive feature. Where you just listening to a 381 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,310 podcast, you can say, Oh, hold on a sec, I want to suggest a 382 00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:36,180 chapter here. And you hit it and it goes off into the into the 383 00:23:36,180 --> 00:23:40,590 magic back end. And then the Podcast Producer can approve 384 00:23:40,590 --> 00:23:45,570 those change those, you know, adapt them, whatever that is. 385 00:23:45,630 --> 00:23:49,500 It's a groundbreaking idea. It's google docs for chapters. You 386 00:23:49,500 --> 00:23:52,860 know, it's it's really, really I love it. It's so smart. And it's 387 00:23:52,860 --> 00:23:56,580 given me this, this almost insatiable desire to want to I 388 00:23:56,580 --> 00:23:59,850 want to produce the whole thing. I want to be doing wiziwig 389 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:01,200 podcast publishing. 390 00:24:02,310 --> 00:24:03,960 Right. To some degree, it 391 00:24:03,959 --> 00:24:06,899 makes sense. Not entirely, but you know, to some degree, it 392 00:24:06,899 --> 00:24:09,629 just makes sense. Right? Yeah. I 393 00:24:09,630 --> 00:24:12,870 appreciate you. That was entirely your idea, I'd say and 394 00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:17,250 actually adding the men or adding podcast chapters from the 395 00:24:17,250 --> 00:24:21,600 app. Community chapters, I remember hearing you talk about 396 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,760 it on a podcasting 2.0 podcast. 397 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,209 I can do that, man. I'm giving it all to you. I'm giving it to 398 00:24:27,209 --> 00:24:27,569 you. 399 00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:31,620 And so yeah, that was an that definitely improved the 400 00:24:31,620 --> 00:24:34,260 experience a lot, I think, and opened up the door to allow 401 00:24:34,260 --> 00:24:38,910 anybody to add that. The thing I kind of had some hesitation 402 00:24:38,910 --> 00:24:42,720 about that early on, because there are kind of apps that have 403 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:47,160 done this. I think you've also talked about that. Cloud. I 404 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,480 can't think of the name of it right now. But there are apps, 405 00:24:51,810 --> 00:24:55,530 web apps that allow you to basically add comments to an 406 00:24:55,530 --> 00:24:58,230 audio file and then people use it for music. They use it for 407 00:24:58,230 --> 00:25:03,990 podcasts. Yeah, and but that's just kind of, there's no, 408 00:25:04,260 --> 00:25:06,840 there's no interaction from the creator there. And that's really 409 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,750 what I what I wanted to include was an ability for someone 410 00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:12,360 actually the who was producing it to go in and say, yeah, this 411 00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:16,740 is a useful comment or this is a useful point to add in as well. 412 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:21,300 It's, it's super cool these types of feedback mechanisms. 413 00:25:22,410 --> 00:25:25,350 Because I think for that very reason that you want to use it 414 00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:28,680 as, as the owner of the of the content itself, you want to 415 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,550 produce it, but what I've learned from from day one, and 416 00:25:32,550 --> 00:25:37,080 certainly with the value for value model of how you can make 417 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,920 revenue off of creative works in today's in a in a new economy, a 418 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:49,830 new digital currency enabled environment. It's like, you can 419 00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:58,110 do so much now. With this interactivity between the users 420 00:25:58,110 --> 00:26:01,560 and the applications, and they become a part of the product, 421 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,910 this this is the magic. It's like contribute to your product. 422 00:26:05,910 --> 00:26:09,660 I people think it doesn't, it doesn't pertain to their 423 00:26:09,660 --> 00:26:13,800 podcasts. But every podcast can do this can have if you are not 424 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:18,240 activating your audience, to be a part of the show somehow. And 425 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,810 it can be as simple as starring something but that has to work 426 00:26:21,810 --> 00:26:27,390 across all the all the apps, or as intricate as a as a chapter 427 00:26:27,390 --> 00:26:31,650 with art and a link. You know, so there's work involved, but 428 00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:34,980 and the proof is in the pudding people raise their hand 429 00:26:34,980 --> 00:26:37,860 immediately. Holy crap, how can I How can I How can I 430 00:26:37,860 --> 00:26:40,290 participate? I mentioned hyper catcher yesterday, I have no 431 00:26:40,290 --> 00:26:42,300 agenda, you see any uptick in downloads? 432 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:48,120 I haven't checked the analytics for it recently. But I have one 433 00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:52,440 thing I have noticed that's gone up. Just in the last couple of 434 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,000 days of API usage. 435 00:26:54,270 --> 00:26:55,620 Yeah, your AWS bill? 436 00:26:56,010 --> 00:26:58,830 Well, that's always that's been up for a while. 437 00:26:59,070 --> 00:27:03,420 Well, but if seriously, for one moment, how much is it costing 438 00:27:03,420 --> 00:27:06,510 you from because and for everyone to understand, for 439 00:27:06,540 --> 00:27:12,390 three of my shows, which is all I have? I'm using the Dred 440 00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:15,870 Scott, he manages the whole thing with hyper Capture Studio 441 00:27:15,870 --> 00:27:21,960 on the back end. And but I'm by link to your API when Pete when 442 00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:25,770 an app requests the chapter file, so that's putting a load 443 00:27:25,770 --> 00:27:30,930 on you. And until we have, you know, l SATs or some other thing 444 00:27:30,930 --> 00:27:33,630 enabled, I'm going to put you in the value block because it's 445 00:27:33,630 --> 00:27:35,940 costing you money. Well, it's. 446 00:27:36,450 --> 00:27:41,520 So there's a couple things. One, it's not it's not a ton of 447 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,870 money, it was kind of trending in that direction. Where I was 448 00:27:45,870 --> 00:27:47,910 getting a little worried for a little while, I think I posted 449 00:27:47,910 --> 00:27:48,060 it 450 00:27:48,089 --> 00:27:50,069 Not exactly. That's not a good thing 451 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,540 in there. So part of the problem was I just, you know, I'm a 452 00:27:54,540 --> 00:27:56,820 mobile developer, and I haven't been building backends for too 453 00:27:56,820 --> 00:27:59,100 long. And so there were simple things like caching that I 454 00:27:59,100 --> 00:28:02,610 wasn't even doing. I was hitting the database for every request, 455 00:28:02,610 --> 00:28:06,450 which was super expensive. So after implementing caching, that 456 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,410 that helped a lot. So that was trending towards a pretty scary 457 00:28:10,410 --> 00:28:13,860 number. Right now. It's it's about $100 a month. But that's 458 00:28:13,860 --> 00:28:14,130 kind 459 00:28:14,129 --> 00:28:19,709 of witness young man. That's unacceptable. day there's 460 00:28:19,710 --> 00:28:22,050 also Dave, there's the other side of this, you guys are 461 00:28:22,050 --> 00:28:24,630 already helping actually because this is entirely I'm sure the no 462 00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:28,050 agenda audience and and podcasting 2.0 developers 463 00:28:28,050 --> 00:28:31,470 helping out with this. So I've got a monthly subscription for 464 00:28:31,470 --> 00:28:35,940 my app. That's, you know, I've had the app out for a year now. 465 00:28:36,180 --> 00:28:39,450 And just in like the last few months, it's it's been 466 00:28:39,450 --> 00:28:41,490 increasing a lot the number of people who are actually 467 00:28:41,490 --> 00:28:46,410 subscribed to only $1 $1 a month, but I'm making about $33 468 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:47,490 a month right now and that's 469 00:28:47,820 --> 00:28:48,630 matching numbers. 470 00:28:51,839 --> 00:28:55,619 Okay, suggestion on that side of things, you really need multiple 471 00:28:55,619 --> 00:28:58,379 subscription levels, if at all possible. I don't know if Apple 472 00:28:58,379 --> 00:29:02,369 lets you do that. But like, I mean, seriously, if you know, I 473 00:29:02,369 --> 00:29:06,719 did, I subscribe to it. And to fabric catcher. I mean, if you 474 00:29:06,719 --> 00:29:09,809 had if you had like 10 bucks a month or 20 bucks a month thing, 475 00:29:09,869 --> 00:29:13,379 you know, I would do it today. I just can't. Yeah, you need you 476 00:29:13,379 --> 00:29:16,139 need to allow people to pay you more money. Yes. Which days? 477 00:29:16,139 --> 00:29:16,529 Yes. 478 00:29:16,890 --> 00:29:19,770 Dave? Can we? So first of all? 479 00:29:22,859 --> 00:29:23,669 David's 480 00:29:25,530 --> 00:29:27,960 No, it has to be in the in the split for us. We got to put him 481 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:28,920 in our value block. 482 00:29:29,369 --> 00:29:31,319 Okay. Yeah. Put him next to Dred Scott. 483 00:29:31,619 --> 00:29:33,869 Yeah, right away. I mean, right away. I'll 484 00:29:33,870 --> 00:29:36,270 do that. Well, no. Does that David, do you have a note? Do 485 00:29:36,270 --> 00:29:39,120 you have a I have a lightning node. 486 00:29:39,900 --> 00:29:43,260 Yeah, so I was actually playing around with the LM pay API 487 00:29:43,260 --> 00:29:47,070 recently. So I've been able to set up a wallet there and local 488 00:29:47,070 --> 00:29:49,320 wallets. I've been using blue wallet on my 489 00:29:49,890 --> 00:29:53,460 right. Do they have I don't think lm pay has key send 490 00:29:53,460 --> 00:29:57,180 receive enable yet or does it? They do but you have to have 491 00:29:58,110 --> 00:30:02,430 Guillemot said you have the We talk to Tim and you have to have 492 00:30:02,430 --> 00:30:06,750 a wallet ID and a custom record. That's the way it works on the 493 00:30:06,750 --> 00:30:09,600 incoming keyset. Which is, but we're, we're working on that 494 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,720 right now. Because turns out Sphinx needs the same thing. 495 00:30:12,750 --> 00:30:16,680 They need another, they need a key value pair custom key value 496 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:17,580 pair in order to route 497 00:30:17,580 --> 00:30:21,180 it past their main node. Okay, so that is that lightning, the 498 00:30:21,180 --> 00:30:24,000 lightning labs fix that everyone's been talking about 499 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:24,660 and working on. 500 00:30:25,740 --> 00:30:29,970 Not sure. No, no, I think I don't think so. I think this is 501 00:30:29,970 --> 00:30:33,870 just two different use cases that happen to coincide at the 502 00:30:33,870 --> 00:30:34,260 same time. 503 00:30:34,290 --> 00:30:39,240 Okay. All right. So it's coming, David. Cool. value is coming. 504 00:30:39,300 --> 00:30:42,720 Yeah, definitely. Definitely. Yeah. It's crazy. Not to pay for 505 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:43,050 that. 506 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,300 I'm super excited about the about the LMP integration stuff. 507 00:30:48,300 --> 00:30:49,830 That's that's the man before 508 00:30:49,830 --> 00:30:58,620 you know, you're making $3 a month. I mean, hold on this 10% 509 00:30:58,650 --> 00:31:02,460 I mean, it's just got to do that times 1000 baby just got to get 510 00:31:02,460 --> 00:31:07,650 some people using your app. I'm telling you about this. I got 511 00:31:08,460 --> 00:31:11,070 none of you guys charge enough. I mean, seriously, like 512 00:31:12,930 --> 00:31:16,440 admission they've been beaten into submission by by Silicon 513 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:21,270 Valley overlords telling them your your your 99 cents. Yeah, 514 00:31:21,270 --> 00:31:24,630 shut up over there and sit in the corner and pay me 1000 for 515 00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:25,590 the dev kit. 516 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,330 This year. 1000 for the dev kit, and you don't you charge more 517 00:31:30,330 --> 00:31:33,360 than 99 cents. I mean, come on Robin piece of crap. 518 00:31:33,390 --> 00:31:36,330 Yeah, I've let the scales fall from vineis. 519 00:31:38,099 --> 00:31:41,459 Mom, I'm on martin about this too. Like, you know, and and 520 00:31:41,459 --> 00:31:45,329 Mitch, at pod verse like at a bought mitches thing. I'm like, 521 00:31:45,509 --> 00:31:48,359 Wait a second. Why can I only give you like a buck? I mean, 522 00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:51,359 like this is not right. Yes. Yeah. At least give me some 523 00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:52,109 tears here. 524 00:31:52,140 --> 00:31:57,510 Exactly. No, you're exactly exactly right. So what we need 525 00:31:57,510 --> 00:31:57,990 to worry about 526 00:31:57,990 --> 00:32:05,640 clubhouse. See, see if it's right in though this was the 527 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,870 amount of me up because the with the A Let me tell you what it 528 00:32:09,870 --> 00:32:14,880 fits in my head is with hyper catcher, like you have you have 529 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:19,500 true interactivity with the product. The product itself is 530 00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:25,950 actually changing. When the audience participates in 531 00:32:25,950 --> 00:32:28,530 chapters and that kind of thing. But with something like 532 00:32:28,530 --> 00:32:35,070 clubhouse, it's more like it has the appearance of interactivity. 533 00:32:35,310 --> 00:32:38,550 But it's really it's still there's there's the product, 534 00:32:38,550 --> 00:32:41,370 which is sort of up on the day, as you know, up here where you 535 00:32:41,370 --> 00:32:44,730 can't get to it. And then everybody else gets to sort of 536 00:32:44,730 --> 00:32:49,020 comment and be and chat down here. It's, it has the, it has 537 00:32:49,020 --> 00:32:53,100 this sort of appearance of interactivity where but you 538 00:32:53,100 --> 00:32:57,060 still can't really reach the product. Maybe is that stupid? 539 00:32:57,390 --> 00:32:57,750 No. 540 00:32:59,460 --> 00:33:02,610 I'll go back to my analogy, because this is very consistent 541 00:33:02,610 --> 00:33:06,570 since September since we started this, even before that, I would 542 00:33:06,570 --> 00:33:11,580 say just in the research portion of it. This has been a parallel, 543 00:33:11,610 --> 00:33:16,230 it's like the simulator rebooted. And podcasting is is 544 00:33:16,260 --> 00:33:20,430 starting all over again. But it's an accelerated timeline, 545 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,610 things are happening much faster. And there's obvious 546 00:33:23,610 --> 00:33:28,470 reasons for that, compared with 16 1718 years ago. We've got 547 00:33:28,470 --> 00:33:33,840 tools. So after the initial explosion of podcasting, then 548 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,740 came the social networks, and podcasting grew slowly, slowly, 549 00:33:37,740 --> 00:33:41,550 slowly underneath all this hype until people were sick and tired 550 00:33:41,550 --> 00:33:45,630 of it. And they needed something else. It was also people had 551 00:33:45,630 --> 00:33:49,740 been bingeing their asses off watching Netflix, oh my god, I 552 00:33:49,740 --> 00:33:53,940 can and Hulu, I can watch all five seasons of Breaking Bad, 553 00:33:53,940 --> 00:33:58,230 you know, back to back. And people were burned out. They 554 00:33:58,230 --> 00:34:00,840 were burned out on on all of that, and I think a little bit 555 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,810 of algo burnout perhaps and so they and all of a sudden here 556 00:34:03,810 --> 00:34:08,430 was a show serial, and no, no, no, you have to wait. You can't 557 00:34:08,430 --> 00:34:10,830 hear what's going on until the next episode, which is next 558 00:34:10,830 --> 00:34:14,220 week, and people were hot. And they started to just go nuts 559 00:34:14,220 --> 00:34:20,760 about it. So here we have the perfect storm, where people are 560 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,990 resorting to the final Bastion, they have a free speech actual 561 00:34:24,990 --> 00:34:29,370 speech. The social networks are not serving them anymore. It's 562 00:34:29,370 --> 00:34:31,830 it's either not enough characters or there's too much 563 00:34:31,830 --> 00:34:36,120 being algos, whatever it is. They're hunkering to be a part 564 00:34:36,150 --> 00:34:40,800 of conversations and podcast. This is really in my mind. 565 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:45,660 You're going to see a lot of new podcasts coming online because 566 00:34:45,660 --> 00:34:51,720 this is podcasting. For poppers, who don't want to take the or 567 00:34:51,720 --> 00:34:54,540 don't feel don't feel the need. It's nothing wrong with it. feel 568 00:34:54,540 --> 00:34:58,770 the need to figure out what it takes and they end of course, 569 00:34:58,770 --> 00:35:02,400 this is the complete analog to Twitter, there are celebrities 570 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,360 here so I can get some of that celebrity juice. Because that 571 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,200 and this is the mistake that the marketing this, as you know, 572 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,970 celebrity driven, you can talk to the CEOs or to the, the the 573 00:35:14,970 --> 00:35:18,540 captains of industry. It's really exciting. And you can 574 00:35:18,540 --> 00:35:22,770 start your own room and know that at the end of the day, 575 00:35:23,010 --> 00:35:25,860 what's wrong with this and why people if they don't leave, 576 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,530 because they're not being satisfied and find that they can 577 00:35:28,530 --> 00:35:32,010 do things, and maybe more interactive things with 578 00:35:32,010 --> 00:35:40,200 podcasts, which will be building around them. They will drop off, 579 00:35:41,070 --> 00:35:45,210 or they will be deep platformed that's coming. And God knows 580 00:35:45,210 --> 00:35:50,580 what a Gora who is the technology provider is a Chinese 581 00:35:50,580 --> 00:35:54,540 company. God knows what they're doing. And no one talks about 582 00:35:54,540 --> 00:35:58,350 the talks about that this is a Shanghai company who provides 583 00:35:58,350 --> 00:36:01,500 the entirety they provided for a lot of other apps, by the way, 584 00:36:01,860 --> 00:36:05,820 any voice enabled app stuff, it's a Chinese company under the 585 00:36:05,820 --> 00:36:12,120 hood. So enjoy all that shit, everybody. So it's going to take 586 00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:15,210 several months. I don't know how long. You know, this is why you 587 00:36:15,210 --> 00:36:18,510 get Mark Cuban. He's a venture capital guy. He's the guy that 588 00:36:18,510 --> 00:36:22,080 said see something and does the most despicable thing, which 589 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:27,810 these VC guys always do is I got a much better version of that in 590 00:36:27,810 --> 00:36:31,950 the hopper is coming out of the lab. Fuck you Cuban put up or 591 00:36:31,950 --> 00:36:35,430 shut up, get out of my face with that. That's really annoying. 592 00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:39,690 And then I have seen, and then I'll end here and then we and I 593 00:36:39,690 --> 00:36:42,240 stopped them and I apologize. We'll stop monopolizing our 594 00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:47,640 guests time. I have seen hardcore bitcoiners you know, 595 00:36:47,700 --> 00:36:50,820 the young guys 2530. You know, the millennials, the ones doing 596 00:36:50,820 --> 00:36:53,910 the work, the ones who are truly changing the world. And they're 597 00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:58,260 sucked up like, hey, let's do a let's do a Bitcoin clubhouse. 598 00:36:58,260 --> 00:37:02,640 And we'll do it every Thursday. I'm like, okay, so one, it's 599 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,580 called a podcast, what you want to do, and you just, you're 600 00:37:05,580 --> 00:37:13,140 trying to find an instant audience to how can you a a 601 00:37:13,140 --> 00:37:17,730 fighter on the tip of freedom of financial freedom of sovereignty 602 00:37:17,730 --> 00:37:21,540 of finances, want to put your ass inside a walled garden 603 00:37:21,540 --> 00:37:22,860 propped up by China? 604 00:37:26,340 --> 00:37:32,190 100% agree. Yeah. Because I don't know how you feel about 605 00:37:32,190 --> 00:37:35,820 this. David, I mean, you've been on clubhouse. I haven't been on 606 00:37:35,820 --> 00:37:39,900 it. But it feels like the beginning. Just like Adam said, 607 00:37:39,930 --> 00:37:42,960 it, just like Adam said, it just feels like the beginning of so 608 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,530 many things we've seen before. If you've been around for, you 609 00:37:46,530 --> 00:37:49,650 know, 20 years, we always see that it's it's exclusive 610 00:37:49,650 --> 00:37:53,520 exclusivity driven access to the celebrity or access to the big 611 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,640 to the big guy. And then after a while, I mean, it's just like a 612 00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,360 new restaurant pops up. You always have huge portions for a 613 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,930 great price. You know, four months later, the portions get 614 00:38:03,930 --> 00:38:08,250 smaller and the price goes up. I mean, like, there's no, this is 615 00:38:08,250 --> 00:38:11,550 going to this is not going to continue like it is I mean, the 616 00:38:11,550 --> 00:38:16,080 big guys are not going to stay. I mean, like, VC guys are gonna 617 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,450 sit there on clubhouse for three hours a day. That's 618 00:38:18,450 --> 00:38:23,100 not gonna happen. I'm sitting in the parallel timeline. I can 619 00:38:23,100 --> 00:38:27,900 tell you what's next. Next will be the clubhouse fail whale. 620 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,870 It's coming. It's coming. It's coming. Oh, 621 00:38:30,900 --> 00:38:34,080 I've gotten it. I've gotten it multiple times. Musk was in a 622 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,780 room the other day and you cannot get into that room. It 623 00:38:36,780 --> 00:38:40,710 was it was impossible. There you go. That's that's actually one 624 00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:42,870 of the things that's starting to pop up is kind of the 625 00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:45,150 journalists starting to get upset that when they can't get 626 00:38:45,150 --> 00:38:48,480 into a room much like Adam, when you're talking about Kara 627 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,730 Swisher his initial reactions, 628 00:38:51,209 --> 00:38:54,689 right? Yes. Ooh, how do we contain this evil shit? 629 00:38:55,170 --> 00:38:58,290 Right? That's, that's a take that's starting to pop up more 630 00:38:58,290 --> 00:39:02,640 and more. Number one, how do we contain it? And then why, you 631 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,240 know, why isn't it being blocked wire and people being d 632 00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:10,470 platformed. For saying things already. But you know, I don't 633 00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:13,170 have access to certain individuals that have blocked me 634 00:39:13,170 --> 00:39:16,890 or or I can't get into the room because it's full. Right? Which, 635 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:17,550 which is why 636 00:39:17,550 --> 00:39:23,940 I I dedicate myself to the to this generation to make places 637 00:39:23,940 --> 00:39:29,100 that are free and you can't be kicked out denied access, etc. I 638 00:39:29,100 --> 00:39:33,690 mean, this is beautiful. And I love seeing the same journalists 639 00:39:34,140 --> 00:39:37,080 going writing and I'm going on television saying well, you 640 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,870 know, where's the social control over this stuff? But still 641 00:39:39,870 --> 00:39:45,930 screws are like, Whoa, we're on Wow, man. This is great. We're 642 00:39:45,930 --> 00:39:48,510 doing something important. I can't spend a moment on 643 00:39:48,510 --> 00:39:51,870 clubhouse. I'm thinking about every app developer How can I 644 00:39:51,870 --> 00:39:54,630 make the lives better? Get them to get them paid? 645 00:39:55,290 --> 00:39:59,550 When is when is Dan Benjamin gonna get a fire up the lawyers 646 00:39:59,550 --> 00:40:03,060 and go out After cube and for fireside I mean, that's clearly 647 00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:07,980 I mean, clearly trademark issue there. So fireside Yes. 648 00:40:08,220 --> 00:40:10,440 I presume he he trademarked it. 649 00:40:11,100 --> 00:40:12,810 Got to come on Dan. 650 00:40:12,900 --> 00:40:17,010 Ready has enough beer man. But you know, man, that's that's a 651 00:40:17,010 --> 00:40:20,580 tough path baby. That's a tough path he's got to find someone 652 00:40:20,580 --> 00:40:24,150 who wants to take Yeah, I mean, what will wind up happening best 653 00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:27,720 case scenario if Cuban is sincere? And I've been through 654 00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:31,380 it it's a Lanham Act lawsuit have had it with mtv.com. I've 655 00:40:31,410 --> 00:40:36,060 been exposed to these terms and in the courtroom itself, as well 656 00:40:36,060 --> 00:40:39,990 as a copyright and trademark recently. with Laura Logan has 657 00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:43,740 no agenda, you had a trademark dispute. And we actually like 658 00:40:43,740 --> 00:40:46,710 her and we said, okay, look, you can, you can use that that's 659 00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:50,370 okay. But you can't just say you can't have plastered on an ad, 660 00:40:50,370 --> 00:40:53,460 Laura Logan, no agenda, you got to like do the whole sentence. 661 00:40:53,610 --> 00:40:59,640 So we have no rules about how, how they can use that. But we 662 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,270 were just lucky we have. We have several lawyers amongst the 663 00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:06,660 producers. And one of them did this for us pro bono. And that 664 00:41:06,660 --> 00:41:10,470 would have cost us 1000s and 1000s and 1000s of dollars. So, 665 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,460 so best case scenario is they make you go away with some 666 00:41:14,460 --> 00:41:17,100 money, which can make you happy, but you lose the brand you 667 00:41:17,100 --> 00:41:17,790 worked for. 668 00:41:18,990 --> 00:41:22,920 What do you think, David? What do you think is like it around 669 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,820 the clubhouse sort of model? It's like, you know, one of 670 00:41:26,820 --> 00:41:29,040 these guys pops up. And then there's five copycats. I mean, 671 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:36,660 is there is I think, okay, from my thinking. And I think Kevin 672 00:41:36,660 --> 00:41:40,530 fan at buzzsprout mentioned this to me the other day that if the 673 00:41:40,650 --> 00:41:46,800 really the next phase of the namespace or podcasting 2.0 it 674 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,010 really probably shouldn't be something along the lines of 675 00:41:50,010 --> 00:41:55,560 chat discussion, interactivity, you know, and I really have no, 676 00:41:56,070 --> 00:41:59,520 sort of, that's one of those things where you can you can 677 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,790 think of like five different directions that could go. And 678 00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:05,460 I'm not sure which one is the right one. And it's a really 679 00:42:05,460 --> 00:42:08,700 super complicated idea. I mean, not to throw you on the spot. 680 00:42:08,700 --> 00:42:11,400 But I mean, do you have sort of any inkling of how you would 681 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,590 begin to sort of fry that fish? 682 00:42:14,850 --> 00:42:17,460 Yeah, I've been thinking about it a little bit as well. And 683 00:42:17,490 --> 00:42:20,430 yeah, I've kind of come to the same conclusion right now. Like 684 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:26,370 it's kind of a different beast, in some ways. It's, it's not 685 00:42:26,370 --> 00:42:30,720 really something I have a lot of experience with. It would be 686 00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:34,020 interesting, though. Just to defend clubhouse a little bit, 687 00:42:34,020 --> 00:42:37,020 though, not that I disagree with anything that's been said. But 688 00:42:37,769 --> 00:42:41,159 no, you can't defend anything we don't like, Okay. That's not 689 00:42:41,159 --> 00:42:41,669 allowed. 690 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,140 There are some interesting things about clubhouse. So one 691 00:42:46,140 --> 00:42:50,940 of the things is the fact that journalists are trying, you 692 00:42:50,940 --> 00:42:54,810 know, to silence people. The reason is, because it's it's 693 00:42:54,810 --> 00:42:57,510 really difficult to do that right now. So there are some 694 00:42:57,510 --> 00:43:00,930 wild conversations going on there that, you know, 695 00:43:01,530 --> 00:43:04,290 how does the moderation work? Does it does the moderator have 696 00:43:04,290 --> 00:43:06,780 a panel? And they can mute and unmute? And how does that work 697 00:43:06,780 --> 00:43:09,090 with hundreds or 1000s of people? What are the limits? 698 00:43:09,090 --> 00:43:12,090 I've never I've never used that. I have seen the screenshots. I 699 00:43:12,090 --> 00:43:12,750 know what it does. 700 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,870 Yeah, it's super interesting. I'd definitely recommend just 701 00:43:15,870 --> 00:43:19,200 like checking it out. But it's, it's it's pretty interesting 702 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,900 moderation style. So you've got your speakers who are 703 00:43:21,900 --> 00:43:25,830 moderators, and they can, they actually have control, that'd be 704 00:43:25,830 --> 00:43:28,830 like maybe one or two moderators for a room, and they can 705 00:43:28,830 --> 00:43:32,070 actually control who is brought up on stage. And if you're on 706 00:43:32,070 --> 00:43:34,770 stage, then you can talk you can't necessarily bring anyone 707 00:43:34,770 --> 00:43:37,890 else on stage. But you can talk, you can unmute your microphone, 708 00:43:37,890 --> 00:43:42,210 that sort of thing. And the moderation side of it. So the 709 00:43:42,210 --> 00:43:45,660 moderators can obviously remove someone, the amount of room, 710 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,720 keep them from speaking, but then other people in the room 711 00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:52,590 can also go and report your account and eventually get you 712 00:43:52,590 --> 00:43:56,760 blocked. So people can block you. And if you're blocked, then 713 00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:01,050 you can't join a room with that person that's running the room. 714 00:44:01,950 --> 00:44:05,940 So there's some interest that's kind of where some of the issues 715 00:44:05,940 --> 00:44:08,490 are coming up. Right now. We're Taylor llorens, a New York Times 716 00:44:08,490 --> 00:44:11,820 reporter was blocked by Marc Andreessen. He was in a room 717 00:44:11,820 --> 00:44:16,500 with Elan musk speaking and she couldn't join the room. So she 718 00:44:16,500 --> 00:44:18,810 had a kind of a, she was upset about that. 719 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,370 And what's interesting is, you know, I heard that Ilan thing I 720 00:44:23,370 --> 00:44:28,530 heard two different you know, because eventually they just get 721 00:44:28,530 --> 00:44:30,450 put on YouTube or whatever, and you're able to, 722 00:44:31,110 --> 00:44:31,680 exactly. 723 00:44:33,660 --> 00:44:38,250 I like Ilan, but, you know, he was talking to Vlad from Robin 724 00:44:38,250 --> 00:44:40,740 Hood, and Leon doesn't know shit about what he's talking about. 725 00:44:40,770 --> 00:44:43,140 He doesn't know about the DTC doesn't know about the 726 00:44:43,140 --> 00:44:46,440 settlements that happened. He really doesn't understand. So, 727 00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:51,480 you know, to me, it was if anything really bad, because a 728 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:55,830 lot of people got to hear the spin from Vlad the CEO which 729 00:44:55,860 --> 00:45:04,350 Ilan had no way of of Get no parry for it. Right? But you 730 00:45:04,350 --> 00:45:07,050 can't expect him to because it's not necessarily his field of 731 00:45:07,050 --> 00:45:10,650 expertise. But that's a great way for people. It's like, I 732 00:45:10,650 --> 00:45:13,830 don't want to see sports people interviewing Bill Gates, you 733 00:45:13,830 --> 00:45:17,460 know, Kobe Bryant, not Kobe Bryant sorry. Maybe that was 734 00:45:17,460 --> 00:45:19,890 actually I think Kobe did interview Bill Gates before the 735 00:45:19,890 --> 00:45:24,180 accident. I was like, I don't want to see that. But anyway, so 736 00:45:24,180 --> 00:45:27,060 that's, that's fine. That I guess that works. But just seems 737 00:45:27,060 --> 00:45:30,750 simple. But it was the excitement is the excitement, 738 00:45:30,750 --> 00:45:33,390 you can raise your hand and maybe get picked on stage? Can 739 00:45:33,390 --> 00:45:37,560 you whisper amongst other people in the room? Can you say 740 00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,000 something to somebody else? 741 00:45:39,300 --> 00:45:42,180 Yeah, that I wish there was some sort of in room chat feature. So 742 00:45:42,180 --> 00:45:44,190 if you're not on stage, you're just listening. That's all you 743 00:45:44,190 --> 00:45:46,950 can do, besides raise your hand and ask to get on stage, which 744 00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:49,800 you'll be ignored on a big room like that. But I would 745 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,500 definitely say one of the most interesting experiences I've had 746 00:45:52,500 --> 00:45:56,100 on there, there was a room discussing some of the issues in 747 00:45:56,100 --> 00:46:01,200 San Francisco. And some of the kind of crime issues that have 748 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:06,270 been happening there. And kind of, there was a lot of talk 749 00:46:06,270 --> 00:46:11,940 about the DA in San Francisco, Jason bodeen. And so there's 750 00:46:11,940 --> 00:46:16,080 room with some VCs kind of discussing it. And someone told 751 00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,600 him about it. And he actually joined the room. So as they were 752 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,300 kind of discussing it, and kind of blaming him for the issues, 753 00:46:22,110 --> 00:46:25,590 which, which I, which I do think he's responsible for a lot of 754 00:46:25,590 --> 00:46:27,930 them. But I thought it was kind of cool that he actually joined 755 00:46:27,930 --> 00:46:30,810 the room and kind of they brought him up on stage and join 756 00:46:30,810 --> 00:46:33,960 the conversation, where they had a kind of a big conversation 757 00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,290 about the issues, specifically. Exactly, exactly. So 758 00:46:37,710 --> 00:46:42,150 the and if I were to do something for clubhouse, I would 759 00:46:42,150 --> 00:46:45,570 take this podcast and record each of us on a separate track, 760 00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:49,890 I'd play that back, and have each track go to an account in a 761 00:46:49,890 --> 00:46:55,650 room with me onstage, so the three of us are on stage, and 762 00:46:55,650 --> 00:46:58,410 this conversation is taking place. But to the audience, it 763 00:46:58,410 --> 00:47:00,450 looks like we're on stage, and we're each speaking 764 00:47:00,450 --> 00:47:05,520 individually. And the appeal there I think is very, very 765 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:10,680 powerful. There's two things one, it's a great sample. So if 766 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:15,210 you could only skim through podcast episodes that fast and 767 00:47:15,210 --> 00:47:18,300 get that kind of an immediate hit. Oh, okay, this is what this 768 00:47:18,300 --> 00:47:22,170 is about. It's almost like being at a conference, where you go to 769 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,510 one session house is boring, I'm gonna leave, get out of that 770 00:47:24,510 --> 00:47:26,880 session, go to another one. So you're, you're in there. And 771 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,300 then when something is really interesting, you have a 772 00:47:30,300 --> 00:47:34,080 theoretical opportunity that you get to participate in that. I 773 00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,530 think the chance is obviously quite small, depending on the 774 00:47:37,530 --> 00:47:41,910 topic, the the panel and the size of the audience. But it is 775 00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:46,350 a model that is important for us to look at that ability to join 776 00:47:46,350 --> 00:47:50,010 in now. That's not the nature of podcasts, which is real time. 777 00:47:50,610 --> 00:47:54,150 But there's that need people want to participate and you see 778 00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:58,650 it in. In Super chats on YouTube, you see it with the 779 00:47:58,860 --> 00:48:02,100 with the like, buttons, it's all all this feedback that we have 780 00:48:02,100 --> 00:48:07,650 completely failed on as as, as a as a protocol. 781 00:48:08,519 --> 00:48:11,459 Yeah, I actually see what you guys just did the other day with 782 00:48:11,459 --> 00:48:14,729 the zoom call about Elon pay was pretty much a clubhouse room 783 00:48:14,759 --> 00:48:15,119 like, 784 00:48:15,810 --> 00:48:19,560 correct. Pretty cool, right? I mean, they're talking jitsi is 785 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,640 the same as clubhouse to me. Right? It really is. It's just 786 00:48:23,820 --> 00:48:29,640 but make no mistake. clubhouse along with cashapp are the 787 00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:34,170 blackest apps in the app store. And I got turned on to clubhouse 788 00:48:34,170 --> 00:48:37,680 by Moe, he told me months ago, he says, Adam, you got to keep 789 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,500 your eye on this shit. And there's a couple of reasons for 790 00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:44,670 it. They're also paying people. This is this is another part of 791 00:48:44,670 --> 00:48:49,980 the launch strategy. Pay people. That's the library's doing that 792 00:48:49,980 --> 00:48:52,830 too late Library's doing that too, you know, they've got $100 793 00:48:52,830 --> 00:48:55,200 million. They've given away grants, they're paying people to 794 00:48:55,200 --> 00:49:02,820 use their platform. And, and, ultimately, you got to have pain 795 00:49:02,820 --> 00:49:05,640 before you before you learn. And a lot of people are going to go 796 00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,940 through the pain of being deep platformed having their you 797 00:49:08,940 --> 00:49:12,720 know, something taken away, getting kicked off being limited 798 00:49:12,750 --> 00:49:16,710 features going away, whatever it is, you don't control it. So 799 00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:20,340 it's just but the analog is, that'll be with us for several 800 00:49:20,340 --> 00:49:22,440 months, people are gonna be talking about that shit, and 801 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:26,670 then we can build when they're all done, then we'll be there 802 00:49:26,670 --> 00:49:31,470 ready for them? And I think these community features so I 803 00:49:31,470 --> 00:49:32,760 tell you guys a dream that I had. 804 00:49:34,410 --> 00:49:36,870 Yeah, before. Okay. All right, here we go. 805 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:44,160 The dream was that if I wanted to place a comment on a show I 806 00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,950 was listening to. I'm going to give you the Adam Curry Rube 807 00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:53,190 Goldberg version. I would in my app, I type a little comment. By 808 00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:58,530 hit go. It sends a payment a lightning payment to the to the 809 00:49:58,530 --> 00:50:03,690 splits to buy The podcast or the app also gets it of course. And, 810 00:50:03,720 --> 00:50:08,460 and my comment is in that payment, regardless of the size 811 00:50:08,460 --> 00:50:12,090 of the payment, which will be determined. It then is 812 00:50:12,090 --> 00:50:17,460 immediately picked up by a bot or an API or something else that 813 00:50:17,460 --> 00:50:25,230 posts that comment to a telegram channel, an IRC chat, or back to 814 00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:30,270 the app itself. And not only do you have a comment placed in 815 00:50:30,270 --> 00:50:33,480 context of when you were listening, you can also get all 816 00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:38,070 those when you play the show back again. So pretty much like 817 00:50:38,070 --> 00:50:42,780 Sphinx is doing. Only we still have to figure out that one 818 00:50:42,780 --> 00:50:46,500 magical piece in the middle. And that would work theoretically, 819 00:50:46,500 --> 00:50:49,860 across all apps. It's just you have to sync up the the time 820 00:50:49,860 --> 00:50:54,300 codes, and maybe that flows into a separate file. But even before 821 00:50:54,300 --> 00:50:56,490 you get that into the app itself, I thought it would just 822 00:50:56,490 --> 00:50:59,820 be cool. Even just have a telegram channel that updates 823 00:50:59,820 --> 00:51:02,940 when someone comments or when someone boosts or when someone 824 00:51:03,180 --> 00:51:06,780 does something else. I mean, that by itself would be a start. 825 00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:10,440 Sounds doable? 826 00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,470 Yeah. But do you do like the idea that it is doable? Is that 827 00:51:13,470 --> 00:51:13,980 something that 828 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:21,360 what I'm hearing? What are your thoughts? David, what I'm 829 00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:25,950 hearing? Is that is that you? You could do this with some sort 830 00:51:25,950 --> 00:51:31,710 of, or what makes the most sense to me is some sort of DHT or, or 831 00:51:31,710 --> 00:51:35,400 blockchain or something like, because otherwise, you're just 832 00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:39,600 going to be left with somebody runs somebody running somebody, 833 00:51:39,630 --> 00:51:42,720 somebody running something. Yep, exactly. But can you see the 834 00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:44,670 steps to get where we need to be? 835 00:51:46,110 --> 00:51:48,450 I mean, it kind of sounds like community chapters, but with a 836 00:51:48,450 --> 00:51:50,100 paid component. Were you 837 00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:56,790 told that that's the beauty the beauty of the paid component? Is 838 00:51:56,790 --> 00:52:01,410 it eliminates bullshit? Because if you got high bullshit on your 839 00:52:01,410 --> 00:52:06,540 comments, oh, it's 100 satoshis to comment. Right? Oh, all of a 840 00:52:06,540 --> 00:52:08,400 sudden, people are gonna be a little more careful. 841 00:52:09,390 --> 00:52:12,300 I think that could eventually be the thing. Like I think Hi, 842 00:52:12,300 --> 00:52:15,570 bullshit. issues is definitely why SoundCloud comments aren't 843 00:52:15,570 --> 00:52:18,270 very useful. And that was the app I was trying to think of 844 00:52:18,270 --> 00:52:20,100 earlier. They got a SoundCloud Yes, 845 00:52:20,100 --> 00:52:22,350 exactly. On the tie. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 846 00:52:22,620 --> 00:52:27,690 Right. But then, you know, I'm also I think, getting people to, 847 00:52:28,470 --> 00:52:32,700 to leave comments right now or community chapters in an apps to 848 00:52:32,700 --> 00:52:36,720 begin with, is faster. Also, I think adding the payments on to 849 00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:39,360 begin with, I think there just needs to be adoption of getting 850 00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,910 people to realize that they can do that. And, you know, getting 851 00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:46,980 people to, to get used to adding comments in some fashion. And 852 00:52:46,980 --> 00:52:49,560 then I think once once you actually have that part of 853 00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,620 itself, where people are wanting to do it, then adding in the 854 00:52:52,620 --> 00:52:54,570 payments would probably be something that SoundCloud should 855 00:52:54,570 --> 00:52:56,670 have done a while ago to bring up the quality of their 856 00:52:56,670 --> 00:52:57,330 comments. 857 00:52:57,990 --> 00:53:00,660 Yeah, and I would, I would just say, I'm not waiting for 858 00:53:00,660 --> 00:53:03,180 anything. I'm gonna keep pushing everybody on these things. 859 00:53:03,180 --> 00:53:07,170 Because what have I seen the chapters is the best example 860 00:53:07,170 --> 00:53:09,990 chapters and location and transcript. I mean, it's blown 861 00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:14,280 me away. And, and there's adoption, you know, but it if we 862 00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,710 wait for that chicken in the egg, as long as you've got a 863 00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:22,590 couple of Long You got one app and one feed Tool Company, and 864 00:53:22,590 --> 00:53:27,510 you've or tool entity and you've got one creator, you just keep 865 00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:30,870 showing people how to do it, and then eventually people go, Ah, 866 00:53:30,900 --> 00:53:33,900 okay, yeah, I'd like that. Or I have a different use case, or I 867 00:53:33,900 --> 00:53:38,010 have a reason for it. Everything falls in place. The the 868 00:53:38,010 --> 00:53:41,820 onboarding of lightning now I've been I've been following 869 00:53:41,820 --> 00:53:45,570 everything very closely. onboarding is being done for us, 870 00:53:45,570 --> 00:53:50,520 hello, Visa, hello, MasterCard. I mean, these guys are in the 871 00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:51,270 game now. 872 00:53:52,830 --> 00:53:55,560 They're just, they just, they're lagging on lightning, though. 873 00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,350 That's what bothers me. Ah, it's but that you know, that's all 874 00:53:58,350 --> 00:54:02,820 gonna happen. Because all we have, essentially the only way 875 00:54:02,820 --> 00:54:08,370 that we have the only on simplistic onboarding, onto 876 00:54:08,370 --> 00:54:11,580 lightning right now is strike. But when I say simplistic, I 877 00:54:11,580 --> 00:54:14,310 mean, like, I mean, I mean, simplistic, not just from a user 878 00:54:14,310 --> 00:54:21,090 experience standpoint, but from but from a financial, monetary 879 00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:25,140 tax, all that stuff standpoint, because once you get into the 880 00:54:25,140 --> 00:54:31,110 beauty of strike is, is I can get, I can pull 20 bucks off my 881 00:54:31,110 --> 00:54:34,470 debit card into my strike wallet, and then I can send it 882 00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:37,560 to another strike user and it goes straight. And it never, it 883 00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:43,410 never leaves. The Fiat system. It never it never gets. You 884 00:54:43,410 --> 00:54:46,590 don't ever see that as being converted to lightning, or I can 885 00:54:46,590 --> 00:54:49,950 send it to another lightning app and it becomes lightning. So 886 00:54:49,980 --> 00:54:54,180 that you know, the problem with with other apps is you get to 887 00:54:54,180 --> 00:54:55,380 convert it to lightning. 888 00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:59,850 I'm just just going to disagree because, okay, it's all it's all 889 00:54:59,850 --> 00:55:03,420 too. taking place there are people are into bitcoin already 890 00:55:03,420 --> 00:55:06,600 if they've already purchased Bitcoin, it's a small leap, 891 00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:13,050 you're still thinking, like my wife to a degree, you know, and 892 00:55:13,050 --> 00:55:15,960 I know that, you know, they're using plaid as their middleware 893 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,900 for strike and visa tried to buy plaid, they was anti 894 00:55:18,900 --> 00:55:20,790 competitive, they weren't allowed to. So they said, fuck 895 00:55:20,790 --> 00:55:23,190 it, we need to do that ourselves. So it's all going to 896 00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:26,700 take place that onboarding, I'm just not worried about. In fact, 897 00:55:26,790 --> 00:55:31,020 I really don't want those users right now. I want users who at 898 00:55:31,020 --> 00:55:36,630 least have bought a Bitcoin, have maybe seen a QR code, kind 899 00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:40,350 of have some clue about stuff, but definitely have seen the 900 00:55:40,350 --> 00:55:45,390 value or, or that it represents value. And then it's a small 901 00:55:45,390 --> 00:55:49,650 step, I think from getting them to a lightning wallet or get 902 00:55:50,250 --> 00:55:55,170 cash app is going to do this cash app is going to do it. By 903 00:55:55,170 --> 00:55:58,140 the time we're ready, the first ones will be making it easier 904 00:55:58,140 --> 00:56:02,370 besides strike I just did everything about this is saying 905 00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,980 this is how it's gonna happen. And the zap wallet, although not 906 00:56:04,980 --> 00:56:08,220 appropriate. For someone who doesn't have a node, I think 907 00:56:08,220 --> 00:56:12,480 they're doing it the right way. And actually, have you looked at 908 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:19,320 the Phoenix wallet from that's the French guys. I mean, they're 909 00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:24,300 obfuscating everything. And this just send receive, there's no no 910 00:56:24,300 --> 00:56:28,200 real lightning talk. It's one balance, they don't separate it, 911 00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:31,170 you know, you put your money and now they charge a fee for 912 00:56:31,170 --> 00:56:33,540 everything you're doing. But that's that's completely in the 913 00:56:33,540 --> 00:56:35,820 background, you show up with your bank, you show up with your 914 00:56:35,820 --> 00:56:38,670 credit card, your debit card, they take care of the rest, 915 00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:42,720 that's all happening. It's and it's and it's rolling out very, 916 00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:45,270 very quickly. And it has to look at the market. 917 00:56:49,170 --> 00:56:53,040 You know, one thing I think is interesting about about hyper 918 00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:59,820 Catcher in in regards to all of this talk is the UI within hyper 919 00:56:59,820 --> 00:57:03,750 catcher is a diff, it's a different experience than a 920 00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:08,100 typical podcast app. Like when you when you boot up hyper 921 00:57:08,100 --> 00:57:11,730 catcher it took the first time I opened it took me a minute to 922 00:57:11,730 --> 00:57:16,080 figure out what was going on, because I'm used to just this 923 00:57:16,110 --> 00:57:19,710 inbox style. Okay, you're in, okay, here is your list of 924 00:57:19,710 --> 00:57:24,210 podcasts. When you get into hyper capture the UI, it looks 925 00:57:24,210 --> 00:57:27,960 like sort of like a, I don't know, almost like a toolbox or 926 00:57:27,990 --> 00:57:31,710 not, it's not the right example. It's like being on a on a on 927 00:57:31,710 --> 00:57:35,310 somebody's personal website, where they have like, you know, 928 00:57:35,310 --> 00:57:38,970 like a blog, roll over here and sign up for the newsletter here. 929 00:57:38,970 --> 00:57:42,330 And here's the main content. And like they have, there's 930 00:57:42,330 --> 00:57:47,550 different sections of your sort of main home UI. And I think 931 00:57:47,580 --> 00:57:51,240 there's a little bit of an advantage here, when it comes to 932 00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:54,090 adding on extra pieces, like we're talking about, like 933 00:57:54,090 --> 00:58:00,030 lightning, or chit chat features or maybe soundbites, there's 934 00:58:00,030 --> 00:58:03,180 like an advantage that you have, because you've your your UI is 935 00:58:03,180 --> 00:58:06,390 already laid out in such a way where people expect there to be 936 00:58:06,570 --> 00:58:10,230 different, like different pieces that you can interact with on 937 00:58:10,230 --> 00:58:10,950 the UI. 938 00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,550 Yeah, I mean, there's definitely some experimentation going on 939 00:58:14,550 --> 00:58:17,730 there. So I've got a lot of different things that, you know, 940 00:58:17,730 --> 00:58:21,120 you wouldn't normally finding a podcast app that I think makes 941 00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:24,240 it a little confusing sometimes. But it also gives me the ability 942 00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,630 to kind of expand and try out different things. So like 943 00:58:27,630 --> 00:58:29,100 newsletters is the newest thing. 944 00:58:29,370 --> 00:58:31,230 Yeah. Like, see, that's what's thinking. I was like, You got 945 00:58:31,230 --> 00:58:34,410 newsletters there. And then like Adam was just talking about with 946 00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:39,390 with, like, if you integrate a wallet, pay? Yeah. It's just 947 00:58:39,390 --> 00:58:41,310 like, our new little section where it's like, okay, you're 948 00:58:41,310 --> 00:58:45,150 always I've always just see my lightning balance there. And not 949 00:58:45,150 --> 00:58:45,720 only do I 950 00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:49,470 agree with what you're saying about that, Dave. But there's, I 951 00:58:49,470 --> 00:58:53,220 think, again, David hit on something with his UI that that 952 00:58:53,340 --> 00:58:57,840 I'm just now realizing where some ideas came from. So if you 953 00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:01,380 look at his podcasts and episodes, which is I had kind of 954 00:59:01,410 --> 00:59:03,150 that was for me, the thing I had to figure it out. It's like, 955 00:59:03,150 --> 00:59:07,470 Okay, what am I seeing here? What is this list? And, and I 956 00:59:07,470 --> 00:59:11,520 use pod friend a lot. And I think what we're seeing as a 957 00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:15,150 model, besides the traditional inbox is, here's your most 958 00:59:15,150 --> 00:59:19,260 recent updated episodes, which is just a running list 959 00:59:20,190 --> 00:59:24,150 hierarchy, and you kind of have a breadcrumbs. Separate from 960 00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:28,860 that. And here's what you listen to most recently. Right? 961 00:59:29,370 --> 00:59:32,490 Something like that seems to be evolving as some universal 962 00:59:32,490 --> 00:59:36,210 interface that people are being drawn to. Do you feel that way, 963 00:59:36,210 --> 00:59:38,130 dude? Yeah, I 964 00:59:38,130 --> 00:59:40,410 mean, that's definitely what I was what I was going for, I 965 00:59:40,410 --> 00:59:44,790 actually just kind of built it the way that I wanted a podcast 966 00:59:44,790 --> 00:59:48,690 app to work. So whenever I would open a podcast app that I'd 967 00:59:48,690 --> 00:59:53,430 normally have to set it up to show me like a rolling. There's 968 00:59:53,430 --> 00:59:55,440 a lot of hot podcast apps that are actually really full 969 00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,440 featured in this area that that hyper catcher is not and that 970 00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,870 you can set up different types of subscripts lists, you can 971 01:00:00,870 --> 01:00:04,020 have the different lists, sorted in different ways based on the 972 01:00:04,020 --> 01:00:08,670 podcast or latest episode. And, you know, I just kind of built 973 01:00:08,670 --> 01:00:11,100 it in one way. And one way to just be lazy. And the other way 974 01:00:11,100 --> 01:00:14,430 is just like, I feel like it's the best way to, to present 975 01:00:14,430 --> 01:00:17,430 podcasts to the user is just kind of a rolling list of 976 01:00:17,460 --> 01:00:20,430 Alright, so if you subscribe to a podcast, you've got the no 977 01:00:20,430 --> 01:00:24,420 agenda podcast, the podcasting 2.0 podcasts, you can go to 978 01:00:24,420 --> 01:00:28,290 those individual pages and see the whole episode list. And 979 01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,390 that's kind of a separate experience, or you can go to 980 01:00:30,390 --> 01:00:32,580 your subscriptions, and then you're just gonna get a rolling 981 01:00:32,580 --> 01:00:35,340 list of whatever is new. So you just open that in the morning, 982 01:00:35,340 --> 01:00:38,460 and you should see the latest podcasts, exactly those from 983 01:00:38,460 --> 01:00:45,210 those apps. Exactly. Like, yeah, it wasn't necessarily an 984 01:00:45,210 --> 01:00:50,160 intentional, you know, thinking that this is where, you know, 985 01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:53,070 everything is going, but it was kind of, that's the way I wanted 986 01:00:53,070 --> 01:00:57,690 it to work. And, and I just wanted this little setup as 987 01:00:57,690 --> 01:00:59,070 possible to get started with it. 988 01:00:59,130 --> 01:01:04,140 So the hyper Capture Studio, which creates the JSON, which 989 01:01:04,140 --> 01:01:07,050 comes from the API, which is costing you about 100 bucks a 990 01:01:07,050 --> 01:01:14,280 month, and you're welcome. How prepared Are you in the way we 991 01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,280 operate here is the days of free are over. That doesn't mean that 992 01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:20,160 you can't get access to something we still think value 993 01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:24,810 for value is important. But I want to help you evaluate this 994 01:01:24,810 --> 01:01:29,160 model. Because right, so now it's no agenda show, which 995 01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:33,420 probably pushes the most traffic to the API. But what if three 996 01:01:33,420 --> 01:01:36,480 more show up or five more or a whole bunch of other people 997 01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,300 really start digging this idea? How do we set you up for 998 01:01:39,300 --> 01:01:42,930 success? And is that something we can solve with the value 999 01:01:42,930 --> 01:01:45,900 payments? Or do we need to look at something more distributed? 1000 01:01:45,930 --> 01:01:51,210 Or you tell me maybe that maybe it is the way to go is to get 1001 01:01:51,210 --> 01:01:59,730 rid of because I just, I've run services? You know, Dave, tell 1002 01:01:59,730 --> 01:02:03,360 us about the running podcast. index.org, how much there is of 1003 01:02:03,540 --> 01:02:06,480 requests, and people have questions and things and you 1004 01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:07,350 know, there's a lot of work. 1005 01:02:07,350 --> 01:02:10,710 Yeah, I mean, it's two, three emails, you know, sometimes a 1006 01:02:10,710 --> 01:02:15,870 day of people needing you know, hey, as I changed an episode 1007 01:02:15,870 --> 01:02:19,200 from, you know, 300 episodes back in my feed, and it didn't 1008 01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,780 update in the index, can you? Can you hear what am I doing 1009 01:02:21,780 --> 01:02:25,050 wrong? It's like, I don't know, let me go look, you know, it's 1010 01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:28,050 there's a lot of there's a lot of pain points. Yeah, I 1011 01:02:28,050 --> 01:02:31,020 mean, part of my hesitation is definitely like those issues. My 1012 01:02:31,020 --> 01:02:34,050 hesitation that charge people is because once I start charging, I 1013 01:02:34,050 --> 01:02:36,840 feel like then there's gonna be an expectation of things should 1014 01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:37,050 work. 1015 01:02:38,970 --> 01:02:42,660 Let me say this that, David, I know that feeling. Yeah. And I 1016 01:02:42,660 --> 01:02:45,900 think you need to get over that failing at because the thing 1017 01:02:45,900 --> 01:02:49,410 about it is like, you can't, there is that mindset that 1018 01:02:49,410 --> 01:02:52,260 exists where it says I can't start charging people money 1019 01:02:52,260 --> 01:02:56,460 until this thing is perfect. But you that I don't like that, 1020 01:02:56,460 --> 01:03:00,750 because you, you know, the thing is you're doing you are doing, 1021 01:03:00,900 --> 01:03:04,140 you're presenting this product, and it is what it is, and you 1022 01:03:04,140 --> 01:03:07,860 need, you know, you've decided that it has value. And if they 1023 01:03:07,860 --> 01:03:10,110 decide that it doesn't have value, will they'll just go do 1024 01:03:10,110 --> 01:03:12,450 something else. I mean, they don't, you know, you don't have 1025 01:03:13,020 --> 01:03:16,080 that, that mindset, I know it exists. And I've had it before 1026 01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:19,800 too. And I you know, I have it, you know, with other things, but 1027 01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:22,440 like, I think there is this idea, we do need to get over 1028 01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:26,670 this idea that you can't like, once you like look at the See, I 1029 01:03:26,670 --> 01:03:29,040 don't mean go on and on about this, but but look at something 1030 01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:33,690 like we look at all the stuff that we buy on a daily basis. 1031 01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:38,370 That works half the time, and infuriating. I mean, look at 1032 01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:42,660 look at things like the perfect example. Two weeks ago, you 1033 01:03:42,660 --> 01:03:47,820 know, I'm trying to get my 10 year old daughter to try and get 1034 01:03:47,820 --> 01:03:51,840 her set up with my Minecraft, you know, and we paid 30 bucks 1035 01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,390 for Minecraft or whatever. And so, you know, she's had it for a 1036 01:03:54,390 --> 01:03:57,150 while. Well, it just wouldn't work. I mean, I spent like three 1037 01:03:57,180 --> 01:04:00,570 hours trying to fix this thing. Before I finally just said, 1038 01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:04,380 screw it. I blew the whole thing away started over she lost her 1039 01:04:04,380 --> 01:04:08,100 world all this kind of stuff. Like that was no daddy. I know. 1040 01:04:08,340 --> 01:04:13,290 That was all night long. And for and I had paid $30 for this 1041 01:04:13,290 --> 01:04:16,980 thing. And it didn't work. So that's the thing is is I mean 1042 01:04:16,980 --> 01:04:18,030 things things just don't work. 1043 01:04:18,060 --> 01:04:22,950 here's a here's an analogy. That is worth looking@voltage.io 1044 01:04:22,950 --> 01:04:30,180 Graham. Yeah, he charges money. We pay him we bought a node for 1045 01:04:30,180 --> 01:04:34,140 a year from him a special beefed up note I have in my personal 1046 01:04:34,140 --> 01:04:38,880 note, which is 10 bucks a month or maybe 12. springs, I couldn't 1047 01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:42,060 give they would not take our money. Now I don't think it's a 1048 01:04:42,060 --> 01:04:46,080 money issue. But you know, so we're just blowing out channels, 1049 01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:50,490 you know, we're doing that 333 to 330 3000 SATs like boom 1050 01:04:50,490 --> 01:04:54,480 channels clogged too much money, you know, it wasn't expected. So 1051 01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:58,380 there's all these things that come into play. When you charge 1052 01:04:58,380 --> 01:05:01,380 people use the service, different And I think that 1053 01:05:01,380 --> 01:05:04,860 Sphinx might have been able to grow smoother if they're 1054 01:05:04,890 --> 01:05:06,840 people's own pin on the line. 1055 01:05:07,140 --> 01:05:08,760 Yeah. You know, yeah, 1056 01:05:08,790 --> 01:05:15,720 I mean, so I think I actually had a Microsoft, or Minecraft 1057 01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:19,410 Lost Worlds situation recently, where Dred Scott was working on 1058 01:05:19,410 --> 01:05:22,830 updating some chapters from the agenda, switch tabs came back 1059 01:05:22,860 --> 01:05:29,400 and all of his those sorts of things that things that like 1060 01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:32,820 really worry me. So I actually figured that one out. I haven't 1061 01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:34,980 I haven't updated that yet. So there are a couple of like, 1062 01:05:34,980 --> 01:05:38,610 major issues that I want to get to before switching on some sort 1063 01:05:38,610 --> 01:05:41,910 of payment for that, because I feel terrible when things like 1064 01:05:41,910 --> 01:05:42,480 that happen. 1065 01:05:42,570 --> 01:05:44,910 Let's see, you know, I'll drive this point again, though, that 1066 01:05:44,940 --> 01:05:49,620 that that situation is gonna suck, no matter if they pay or 1067 01:05:49,620 --> 01:05:53,340 if they don't pay, and you don't get here it is you don't get off 1068 01:05:53,340 --> 01:05:58,230 the hook. Just pay, you're still gonna get an email about it, and 1069 01:05:58,230 --> 01:06:00,990 you're still gonna have to deal with it. And would it be nice to 1070 01:06:00,990 --> 01:06:03,720 be paid for having to deal with it rather than not be paid? 1071 01:06:04,050 --> 01:06:05,190 Yeah, good point. 1072 01:06:05,220 --> 01:06:07,890 Good point. Well, I signed up for lm pay, and I've got a like 1073 01:06:07,950 --> 01:06:12,060 a wall a paywall now, so the easiest thing I could do is kind 1074 01:06:12,060 --> 01:06:16,050 of throw that on there and see, well, yeah, I can definitely do 1075 01:06:16,050 --> 01:06:19,800 that. So I think I'll be doing that soon. So hey, we'll get 1076 01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:23,430 your Yeah, so someone can I actually just tested it out, I 1077 01:06:23,430 --> 01:06:27,090 was able to sign up for the wallet on Ellen pay. shows me a 1078 01:06:27,090 --> 01:06:31,500 QR code. I just take my my breeze wallet. Yeah, my blue 1079 01:06:31,500 --> 01:06:35,100 wallet, whatever. It's pointed at it, send us some SATs. And it 1080 01:06:35,100 --> 01:06:36,150 was just instantly there. 1081 01:06:36,690 --> 01:06:37,470 That's great. Yeah, but 1082 01:06:37,470 --> 01:06:38,730 what do you want a paywall? 1083 01:06:39,990 --> 01:06:42,510 Oh, that's just what it's called. I guess, I guess it 1084 01:06:42,510 --> 01:06:46,200 wouldn't actually be a paywall that would block you from it 1085 01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:50,250 actually will let it I guess it does actually block the site. So 1086 01:06:50,250 --> 01:06:53,460 I will block the URL. Yeah, yeah, I don't really want to do 1087 01:06:53,460 --> 01:06:57,300 that. I just want to, you know, be able to use that. That same 1088 01:06:57,300 --> 01:06:59,640 QR code in some way and just kind of throw it on the page and 1089 01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:01,560 say, Hey, if you want to buy me a coffee or something, oh, 1090 01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:05,220 yeah, no, that's called a hit. They have a different one for 1091 01:07:05,220 --> 01:07:06,000 that. Hold on. 1092 01:07:06,300 --> 01:07:09,060 Okay. It's like a tip jar type thing. 1093 01:07:09,090 --> 01:07:11,550 Yeah, they have a different name for it. That's the one you want. 1094 01:07:11,550 --> 01:07:15,750 It's also from Ellen pay. I'll tell you what it is. Okay. You 1095 01:07:15,750 --> 01:07:16,650 have the 1096 01:07:22,260 --> 01:07:29,310 see the faucet? False. A false. That's the other way around. 1097 01:07:29,310 --> 01:07:33,270 Right. I think that, but you can do there was one you can do. I 1098 01:07:33,270 --> 01:07:37,470 think it's ln URL. That's what you want. Elena URL, and I think 1099 01:07:37,470 --> 01:07:40,830 your blue wallet may have that already. You can create an ln 1100 01:07:40,830 --> 01:07:46,440 URL, which is just a standalone almost second is what I call it 1101 01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:53,790 is the homeless person's QR code. I mean, it's a joke. Here 1102 01:07:53,790 --> 01:07:57,210 paywall wallet, okay, so we got to figure this out. But there's 1103 01:07:57,210 --> 01:08:01,020 a way there's a way to do it in ln pay, where you have either a 1104 01:08:01,020 --> 01:08:05,100 single URL, which brings up a QR code or one QR code, and you 1105 01:08:05,100 --> 01:08:09,330 don't have to do this Nope. The paywall is a separate 1106 01:08:09,330 --> 01:08:13,020 functionality, they also do. Okay, so you just want it if you 1107 01:08:13,020 --> 01:08:14,010 just want a standard 1108 01:08:14,370 --> 01:08:18,030 thing that people can send money to that's it. This is a perfect 1109 01:08:18,030 --> 01:08:20,850 example of something that I go back and forth with, okay, so 1110 01:08:21,300 --> 01:08:26,430 you've got, you've got a service, and you have you got a 1111 01:08:26,430 --> 01:08:30,660 pay wall there, or some sort of, like, you got a decision to 1112 01:08:30,660 --> 01:08:32,790 make, you've got you can say, Okay, I'm just gonna, I'm gonna 1113 01:08:32,790 --> 01:08:36,480 pay wall this thing. And you gotta, you've got to pay 1114 01:08:36,480 --> 01:08:39,390 something to get in, or I'm going to just give a tip jar? 1115 01:08:39,690 --> 01:08:45,060 Well, you know, the understand, understand the thinking of 1116 01:08:45,060 --> 01:08:48,270 having the tip jar mindset, it's like, Okay, well, I don't, I 1117 01:08:48,270 --> 01:08:50,490 don't want to keep anybody out. I don't want to put the burden, 1118 01:08:50,940 --> 01:08:53,730 the burden of entry too high and that sort of thing. But then 1119 01:08:53,730 --> 01:08:56,460 there is something to be said for just straight up pay walling 1120 01:08:56,460 --> 01:09:00,510 this thing and saying, Okay, if you're gonna get in here and use 1121 01:09:00,510 --> 01:09:04,920 this, I really need me know, 20 SATs, or something like that. 1122 01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:08,730 And there's, there's two reasons for that. There's like, not, you 1123 01:09:08,730 --> 01:09:11,010 know, the obvious one is that you, you know, you need some 1124 01:09:11,010 --> 01:09:14,610 revenue, the other but the other less obvious one may be that it 1125 01:09:14,610 --> 01:09:18,990 also forces people into the lightning ecosystem. And if we 1126 01:09:18,990 --> 01:09:23,610 think, you know, like, at least from my mindset, if I think once 1127 01:09:23,610 --> 01:09:27,570 somebody has a lightning wallet, now they're able to participate 1128 01:09:27,570 --> 01:09:32,190 in things like this much easier, because it's really just QR code 1129 01:09:32,190 --> 01:09:36,450 scan, boom done, rather than Okay, here's a paywall. Now you 1130 01:09:36,450 --> 01:09:38,460 get to go to PayPal, now you get a good result blah, blah, blah, 1131 01:09:38,460 --> 01:09:41,130 blah. And it's like some five minute process because like the, 1132 01:09:41,550 --> 01:09:44,190 the beauty of the Yeah, the beauty of the lightning stuff is 1133 01:09:44,190 --> 01:09:46,500 that it is so damn fast. 1134 01:09:46,530 --> 01:09:48,660 Yeah, and just easy scan and right on your phone, but you 1135 01:09:48,660 --> 01:09:51,870 need to be able to copy the URL to whatever it is. Copy that. 1136 01:09:52,530 --> 01:09:55,620 Yeah. So I mean, like there's this, there's this sort of dual 1137 01:09:57,240 --> 01:10:00,780 uptake issue where you have where you can Kinda almost want 1138 01:10:00,780 --> 01:10:05,130 to force people. If you say, Okay, stop. I know you may not 1139 01:10:05,130 --> 01:10:09,720 know anything about lightning, but go get us go get strike and 1140 01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:12,240 come back in five seconds, it's gonna take you just as long to 1141 01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:14,970 download, strike and put up your debit card than it is to get 1142 01:10:14,970 --> 01:10:17,550 through the PayPal process. Anyway, it's just something I 1143 01:10:17,550 --> 01:10:18,090 was thinking about. 1144 01:10:18,420 --> 01:10:19,080 Also, 1145 01:10:20,580 --> 01:10:24,360 you know, as a, as a user of the technology, that that's why you 1146 01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:27,810 should get a part of the value block. I mean, it's, yeah, it's 1147 01:10:27,810 --> 01:10:31,620 a couple bucks now. But it could be 300 bucks in a couple months 1148 01:10:31,620 --> 01:10:32,100 from now. 1149 01:10:33,180 --> 01:10:33,990 Yeah, exactly. 1150 01:10:35,130 --> 01:10:38,070 That's them, that's the fairest way to me is like, Hey, I'm 1151 01:10:38,070 --> 01:10:42,360 using it, I'll throw you in the block. Or the way would be even 1152 01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:47,010 preferable. If someone uses your app, you know, you'd get, you'd 1153 01:10:47,010 --> 01:10:49,500 get a different value or whatever. I mean, because of 1154 01:10:49,500 --> 01:10:53,460 course, anyone can use it. And, you know, ultimately, some kind 1155 01:10:53,460 --> 01:10:58,410 of ln stats, paid API is the way to go for stuff like that. But 1156 01:10:58,470 --> 01:11:03,270 right, anyways, maybe shouldn't digress too much, but just 1157 01:11:03,390 --> 01:11:04,590 saying that Wow, man. 1158 01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:08,550 This is the episode where we try to brainstorm every way possible 1159 01:11:08,550 --> 01:11:09,600 to get David paid. 1160 01:11:11,670 --> 01:11:15,060 So just send me an invoice, man, send me send me a lightning 1161 01:11:15,060 --> 01:11:15,930 invoice I want to 1162 01:11:17,370 --> 01:11:18,600 consult I want to send them 1163 01:11:19,620 --> 01:11:21,900 right away. It sounds like I should be paying you guys for 1164 01:11:21,900 --> 01:11:22,530 the for the 1165 01:11:24,210 --> 01:11:26,910 because you have a real hard cost here. You know this, that 1166 01:11:26,910 --> 01:11:29,760 it's it's an existing cost and you just have to be paid for 1167 01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:33,750 that just doesn't go away for me. I'm actually 1168 01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:35,730 willing to pay a little bit more. So I actually have a 1169 01:11:35,730 --> 01:11:37,710 feature on there. That's a little bit hidden for anyone 1170 01:11:37,710 --> 01:11:40,410 using transcripts on their podcasts. And I don't think many 1171 01:11:40,410 --> 01:11:44,040 people have taken advantage of yet I've have it blocked at a 1172 01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:47,340 certain amount. But so if you're using the podcasting 2.0 1173 01:11:47,340 --> 01:11:51,480 transcripts, and use hyper Capture Studio, when you load it 1174 01:11:51,480 --> 01:11:53,970 up in there, you'll see a special button to generate 1175 01:11:53,970 --> 01:11:58,740 podcast chapters using the GPT three open API's 1176 01:12:00,390 --> 01:12:03,480 not Yeah, we'll be testing that. Sure. Yeah. 1177 01:12:03,570 --> 01:12:06,150 So that's in there. Now, it costs a little bit of money 1178 01:12:06,150 --> 01:12:09,720 every time. Cool. That's also good. Depending on how large the 1179 01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:13,140 podcast is. So I've got a gated so I don't spend it doesn't just 1180 01:12:13,140 --> 01:12:15,480 constantly charge my credit card or someone discovers it and 1181 01:12:15,480 --> 01:12:20,340 wants to do their entire podcast backlog. But, but I am willing 1182 01:12:20,340 --> 01:12:23,220 to pay a little bit more just to get some more chapters out there 1183 01:12:23,220 --> 01:12:26,430 and get some more testing on that if anyone wants to try that 1184 01:12:26,430 --> 01:12:28,680 out. That's that's something that I've been super interested 1185 01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:32,430 in recently and working on machine learning and how you can 1186 01:12:32,580 --> 01:12:36,660 kind of generate more generate additional content from a 1187 01:12:36,660 --> 01:12:38,940 podcast transcript. I think there's something pretty 1188 01:12:38,940 --> 01:12:39,930 interesting there. So 1189 01:12:39,930 --> 01:12:42,540 I'm just looking I'm just in the studio now because I hadn't seen 1190 01:12:42,540 --> 01:12:45,120 that. Where's this hidden feature? You bastard? 1191 01:12:46,290 --> 01:12:50,220 So it should be at the bottom? I sure hope now that you're 1192 01:12:50,220 --> 01:12:53,100 actually trying it that it's that it's working but if you 1193 01:12:53,100 --> 01:12:54,600 have a transcript associated 1194 01:12:55,440 --> 01:12:59,820 Yeah, generate chapters from transcript what the hell bastard 1195 01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:00,330 Okay, 1196 01:13:00,810 --> 01:13:03,240 so what do you do good drips got a job? 1197 01:13:03,270 --> 01:13:08,100 Well, no, I mean, what actually is the opposite is you get a 1198 01:13:08,100 --> 01:13:10,980 whole bunch of chapters which is much easier for him to remove or 1199 01:13:10,980 --> 01:13:13,110 just have to add artwork I think it's 1200 01:13:13,380 --> 01:13:18,000 great. Oh, yeah. What if it was if it was good enough it's a 1201 01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:21,960 it's not quite up to snuff yet nowhere near as good as Dred 1202 01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:26,010 Scott adding content and chapter markers. But I'm hoping 1203 01:13:26,070 --> 01:13:28,830 eventually it will be so that's that's something I've been kind 1204 01:13:28,830 --> 01:13:31,920 of working on recently in my spare time. In addition to 1205 01:13:31,980 --> 01:13:34,290 maintaining hyper catcher and in the studio. 1206 01:13:34,890 --> 01:13:38,310 I saw some of your a little while back, he posted some of 1207 01:13:38,310 --> 01:13:40,800 the epic fails of GPT three 1208 01:13:40,980 --> 01:13:41,610 Yeah. 1209 01:13:43,410 --> 01:13:47,190 A when a dress to dress to do stuff you get you get some 1210 01:13:47,190 --> 01:13:48,600 pretty raunchy stuff sometimes. 1211 01:13:50,820 --> 01:13:54,150 Yeah, exactly. So that's one thing I've been kind of 1212 01:13:54,150 --> 01:13:56,910 experimenting with. There are better models out there for I'm 1213 01:13:56,910 --> 01:13:57,480 gonna try it 1214 01:13:57,480 --> 01:14:00,450 on this on this episode, when we're done. This episode is 1215 01:14:00,450 --> 01:14:04,890 going to be auto generated drab. Heads up, buddy. Had no idea 1216 01:14:04,890 --> 01:14:05,790 what's coming down. 1217 01:14:09,690 --> 01:14:13,860 You know, I think I think this is a I don't know, I think this 1218 01:14:13,860 --> 01:14:21,060 is good. I think this is good for, you know, for just I'm 1219 01:14:21,060 --> 01:14:23,760 trying to figure out what I'm what I'm trying to say here. I 1220 01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:26,940 think it's just good that that you're trying to throw 1221 01:14:26,940 --> 01:14:30,030 everything sort of at the wall and see what sticks. 1222 01:14:30,060 --> 01:14:34,200 I love. I love very much, very much doing that. Yes, I 1223 01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:37,200 love that. I love that. That's the sort of experimentation that 1224 01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:40,680 I think has been lost with, like, sort of the corporate 1225 01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:44,610 Veep, you know, the VC, you gotta you gotta check with your 1226 01:14:44,610 --> 01:14:48,450 stakeholders and make sure that they're on board with. It's 1227 01:14:48,450 --> 01:14:55,200 like, you know, that sort of garage level, throw everything 1228 01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:59,190 at the wall and see what sticks kitchen sink type thing. It's so 1229 01:14:59,190 --> 01:15:02,910 refreshing to see It's like, nowadays we don't see things 1230 01:15:02,910 --> 01:15:05,820 features being released until they've been gone over with a 1231 01:15:05,820 --> 01:15:09,930 fine tooth comb. And there's, you know, and they're all slick, 1232 01:15:09,930 --> 01:15:12,960 and I'm just and then and then half the time, it's a feature 1233 01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:17,190 that none, do we really even care about this feature? It's 1234 01:15:17,190 --> 01:15:20,760 like, I would much rather see like 100 features come out, and 1235 01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:24,150 then say, Oh, this one is killer, you know, and the other 1236 01:15:24,150 --> 01:15:27,270 ones can just go away, or they can languish or whatever, me. I 1237 01:15:27,270 --> 01:15:29,220 don't know, I just did some refreshing about that. 1238 01:15:30,060 --> 01:15:32,100 You know what? I'm sorry, go ahead. 1239 01:15:33,180 --> 01:15:35,730 I was just gonna say there's definitely downsides to that as 1240 01:15:35,730 --> 01:15:38,550 well. So you'll dehydrators probably one of the buggy or 1241 01:15:38,550 --> 01:15:41,400 podcast apps out there, because I'm constantly trying to put new 1242 01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:45,810 things out and I definitely need to go around again. And for 1243 01:15:45,810 --> 01:15:47,340 another round of bug fixes soon. 1244 01:15:48,209 --> 01:15:52,709 I'll gladly help you with that. I'll even dig up the iPhone for 1245 01:15:52,709 --> 01:15:57,539 it. The crappy ass iPhone that struggles like iPhone seven, 1246 01:15:57,539 --> 01:16:01,889 like Oh, hypertention, what are you doing? It just to come back 1247 01:16:01,889 --> 01:16:03,899 to the money thing, just because this is something that's forming 1248 01:16:03,899 --> 01:16:07,919 in my head, I just want to put it out there. So this, this idea 1249 01:16:07,919 --> 01:16:13,709 of trying to determine your price finding for creative works 1250 01:16:13,709 --> 01:16:17,369 for a podcast, you know, what is it really worth? What should it 1251 01:16:17,369 --> 01:16:20,729 really cost? And when you think about it, there's a lot that 1252 01:16:20,729 --> 01:16:23,639 goes into it. Yeah, besides the effort of the of the person 1253 01:16:23,639 --> 01:16:26,819 involved, there's hosting, there's different features, 1254 01:16:26,819 --> 01:16:31,949 there's in our case, there's chapters, there's different 1255 01:16:31,949 --> 01:16:35,939 people who help along the way, including Dred Scott, including 1256 01:16:36,659 --> 01:16:41,219 including hyper Capture Studio and the API, you know, there's a 1257 01:16:41,219 --> 01:16:44,879 lot of different things that flow up to that. And in a 1258 01:16:44,879 --> 01:16:49,529 typical business scenario, the way the way it works is, you got 1259 01:16:49,529 --> 01:16:52,529 the core product, and everybody who handles it along the way is 1260 01:16:52,559 --> 01:16:55,319 just putting their shit on top, and then finally gets into the 1261 01:16:55,319 --> 01:17:00,929 store. And here you are, here's your $10 item. And somehow the 1262 01:17:00,959 --> 01:17:06,119 the idea of value for value where, you know, the price is 1263 01:17:06,119 --> 01:17:11,429 found by the person using it, and it's fair, because, you 1264 01:17:11,429 --> 01:17:15,629 know, I looked up value would literally means the value to the 1265 01:17:15,629 --> 01:17:19,559 holder of the asset. You know, it's it's not the value is not 1266 01:17:19,709 --> 01:17:24,149 what, what someone put on it, for me to purchase it. But we're 1267 01:17:24,149 --> 01:17:27,929 kind of, in a way, disassembling the assembly line, you get to 1268 01:17:27,929 --> 01:17:30,509 pay for the pieces independently. So you can swap 1269 01:17:30,509 --> 01:17:34,109 them out almost like decoupling price from the value chain, each 1270 01:17:34,139 --> 01:17:38,879 entity in the chain gets its piece directly from the end 1271 01:17:38,879 --> 01:17:42,719 consumer. And I'm not quite sure why but this, you know, you hear 1272 01:17:42,719 --> 01:17:46,949 a lot of bullcrap about equity and equality, somehow this is 1273 01:17:46,949 --> 01:17:51,059 it. And, and I look forward to working with you specifically, 1274 01:17:51,059 --> 01:17:54,599 David, because you're providing an extra piece in the chain, 1275 01:17:54,899 --> 01:17:59,549 which needs to get that value, and how we either obfuscate that 1276 01:17:59,549 --> 01:18:03,269 from the end consumer and disclose it. Or we say, here's 1277 01:18:03,269 --> 01:18:05,639 what it is. And this is why you're doing it. I'm not quite 1278 01:18:05,639 --> 01:18:12,389 sure. But I think we're in in a place where people are very 1279 01:18:12,389 --> 01:18:16,949 willing to do this. They really enjoy. I mean, this is part of 1280 01:18:16,949 --> 01:18:21,299 crowdfunding. This is part of GoFundMe. It's, it's, it's, it 1281 01:18:21,299 --> 01:18:27,389 feels inherently good. Yep. I mean, I was listening to Tales 1282 01:18:27,389 --> 01:18:30,509 from the Crypt was a great episode. I was playing it from 1283 01:18:30,509 --> 01:18:34,499 Spinks chat 100 SATs a minute, that's the value slider pegged 1284 01:18:34,499 --> 01:18:38,639 to the right. And and I'm just shouting like, out, um, you 1285 01:18:38,639 --> 01:18:40,199 know, I'm listening to this for an hour and a half, it was like 1286 01:18:40,199 --> 01:18:42,929 six bucks. I'm like, Fuck, that was so worth it and felt good 1287 01:18:42,929 --> 01:18:43,799 the whole time. 1288 01:18:45,540 --> 01:18:48,870 Yeah, I've got the same feeling because at the sea, and that 1289 01:18:48,870 --> 01:18:52,440 that's interesting that you, you take some people take the 1290 01:18:52,980 --> 01:18:56,010 different approaches, because like, I set my value slider 1291 01:18:56,010 --> 01:18:59,010 lower, and then I just boost the crap out of stuff. When I like 1292 01:18:59,010 --> 01:19:02,220 it. It's almost the opposite is in that makes me feel better, 1293 01:19:02,220 --> 01:19:04,860 because I like the adrenaline, you know, dopamine hit of the 1294 01:19:04,860 --> 01:19:09,570 boost. So like, I'm like, okay, so I take this opposite 1295 01:19:09,570 --> 01:19:12,870 approach, this whole subjective, the whole idea of subjective 1296 01:19:12,870 --> 01:19:18,300 value is almost exe. It's, it's more than just the value that's 1297 01:19:18,300 --> 01:19:21,120 subjective. It's the it's the subjectivity of how I want to 1298 01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:22,950 deliver the value to you. Yeah. 1299 01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:27,990 Yes, yes. Yes. Exactly. 1300 01:19:29,250 --> 01:19:32,010 That that whole it's just it's sort of mind blowing that we've 1301 01:19:32,010 --> 01:19:36,060 just we've gotten to this point now where where this stuff is 1302 01:19:36,060 --> 01:19:40,290 flexible enough to be able to do these things. Script my money. 1303 01:19:42,630 --> 01:19:45,870 Yeah, programmable money. It kind of it's a mind blower. 1304 01:19:47,790 --> 01:19:51,270 Yeah, totally agree and super excited that you guys have you 1305 01:19:51,270 --> 01:19:54,120 know, pushed the envelope here and made all this happen. super 1306 01:19:54,150 --> 01:19:56,820 thankful to you guys for for doing this as well. So 1307 01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:59,850 well. No thanks. No thanks, needed man. You are bringing 1308 01:19:59,850 --> 01:20:03,120 your Time and your talent and Dave, who can we thank for 1309 01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:06,720 bringing some treasure for this week's episode of podcasting? 1310 01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:07,380 2.0. 1311 01:20:07,410 --> 01:20:09,090 Yeah, you almost caught me off guard, I 1312 01:20:09,090 --> 01:20:12,810 had to reach for the paper, you have your crumble notes. There 1313 01:20:12,810 --> 01:20:13,200 you go. 1314 01:20:13,290 --> 01:20:14,160 We're good to go. 1315 01:20:17,279 --> 01:20:20,249 Let me explain before we rush into it for people who are new 1316 01:20:20,729 --> 01:20:24,719 value for value is the system. This whole project podcasting 1317 01:20:24,719 --> 01:20:29,519 2.0 podcast, index.org, podcast, social, podcast, index dot 1318 01:20:29,519 --> 01:20:35,579 social. All of that is in this podcast all a part of the 1319 01:20:35,579 --> 01:20:39,149 project is the value we're delivering. It's for a wide 1320 01:20:39,149 --> 01:20:42,179 variety of people. If there's anything you get out of it, for 1321 01:20:42,179 --> 01:20:45,089 whatever reason, just put that into a number, send it back to 1322 01:20:45,089 --> 01:20:48,029 us. And the way you do that is go to podcast index.org, scroll 1323 01:20:48,029 --> 01:20:50,939 down to the bottom, Big Red Donate button for the PayPal, 1324 01:20:50,939 --> 01:20:54,629 there's also a lightning invoice that you can scan with your with 1325 01:20:54,629 --> 01:20:59,039 any of your lightning wallets. And you can even if you want set 1326 01:20:59,039 --> 01:21:03,179 a subscription for a weekly amount of satoshis. Pretty cool. 1327 01:21:03,209 --> 01:21:08,429 That is all I think that's an ln URL system or something. And, 1328 01:21:08,579 --> 01:21:12,269 and that's it. That's it. That's the exchange is pure value for 1329 01:21:12,269 --> 01:21:14,519 value. Whatever you get out of it, you put into it. And we 1330 01:21:14,519 --> 01:21:16,589 appreciate any amount because it means a lot to you. 1331 01:21:18,900 --> 01:21:23,730 Jeremy cabanel he appreciates the R value. He signed up for a 1332 01:21:23,730 --> 01:21:25,530 subscription for $10 a month. 1333 01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:26,550 Thank you. Thank you. 1334 01:21:26,910 --> 01:21:30,030 That's that's basically a node for us. Right there. Thank you. 1335 01:21:30,690 --> 01:21:36,480 Yeah. And I'm spinning up a new search node for for searching 1336 01:21:36,480 --> 01:21:40,230 for just lightning enabled podcasts. Yeah, we'll pay for 1337 01:21:40,230 --> 01:21:44,310 it. Yes. I think we could probably say that. We've got 1338 01:21:44,370 --> 01:21:47,040 another app coming pretty soon. It's gonna give it a shot. 1339 01:21:47,430 --> 01:21:50,880 Yeah, I think so. And we'll that'll Thank you, Jeremy. That 1340 01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:55,920 just covered our cost on that. And we've got a single donation 1341 01:21:55,980 --> 01:22:04,290 of $5. From what is this last name? Merrick. l apostrophe, a 1342 01:22:04,290 --> 01:22:06,000 ch. And you say that last name, 1343 01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:08,640 lock, maybe blah, blah. 1344 01:22:09,450 --> 01:22:14,130 Yeah. Okay. Merrick gave us five bucks. Thank you. Way to go keep 1345 01:22:14,130 --> 01:22:14,910 it open source. 1346 01:22:15,390 --> 01:22:19,050 Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's the only way to go. Open Source open 1347 01:22:19,050 --> 01:22:25,290 mind. And that is it. Okay. Happy. Sad puppy time. 1348 01:22:27,990 --> 01:22:31,110 We're giving we're giving out all this advice to a dad. Here's 1349 01:22:31,110 --> 01:22:32,160 how you need to make money and 1350 01:22:33,930 --> 01:22:35,130 what do we have on the last show? 1351 01:22:36,930 --> 01:22:37,860 No, it's just me. 1352 01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:40,830 There you go. No guests. No love. 1353 01:22:41,310 --> 01:22:42,450 Yeah. Hey, David. 1354 01:22:42,450 --> 01:22:45,840 Glad you could be here, buddy. We know you're gonna bring 1355 01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:47,910 you're gonna rake in the big bucks for the project. 1356 01:22:48,330 --> 01:22:51,720 Yeah, yeah. David, you have such a track record of bringing in 1357 01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:52,530 the dough. Yeah, 1358 01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:55,650 yeah, exactly. I don't know if I'm the one to be doing that. 1359 01:22:56,010 --> 01:22:57,480 This year. Next week. Can 1360 01:22:57,480 --> 01:22:59,910 you have a day job, David? Oh, yeah. 1361 01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:04,020 Yeah, this is, uh, taking a little break for this. And I 1362 01:23:04,020 --> 01:23:07,560 just came back. So I had a I had a baby a couple of months ago, 1363 01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:08,070 Max. That's 1364 01:23:08,070 --> 01:23:10,200 right. Congratulations. How's that going? Thank 1365 01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:17,310 you. Oh, that's great. Yeah, it's super exciting. Boy, yeah, 1366 01:23:17,370 --> 01:23:19,980 yeah. So I'm just kind of settling back into work. I've 1367 01:23:19,980 --> 01:23:21,480 been back for weeks now. 1368 01:23:21,870 --> 01:23:26,760 I'm sorry. Hey, Dave. thinks you settling back into the work? 1369 01:23:27,090 --> 01:23:34,230 Yeah. No, brother. No, never as best thing you'll do in your 1370 01:23:34,230 --> 01:23:35,400 life, but it never ends. 1371 01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:39,270 You're right. You have a stall. You have a small seat. You have 1372 01:23:39,270 --> 01:23:44,670 a small window of sanity between about seven or eight years old. 1373 01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:54,270 And about 14. Everything on both sides of that is just chaos. You 1374 01:23:54,270 --> 01:23:56,970 got Yeah, you got a few more years. And then and then you'll 1375 01:23:56,970 --> 01:23:59,190 be hosting and sailing for a few years. And then it's back to 1376 01:23:59,190 --> 01:24:01,290 complete chaos again, and you'll be broke? 1377 01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:04,440 Oh, yeah. Oh, no, this is total total brokenness. You know, just 1378 01:24:04,470 --> 01:24:06,690 why don't you just get a lightning node for your kid 1379 01:24:06,690 --> 01:24:09,210 right away. We'll set it up. We'll put your kid in the value 1380 01:24:09,210 --> 01:24:11,550 block cuz you might as well get it out of the way up front. 1381 01:24:12,570 --> 01:24:15,420 Oh, yeah. Definitely putting aside some Bitcoin from 1382 01:24:17,670 --> 01:24:18,570 the diaper node. 1383 01:24:20,970 --> 01:24:24,990 I love that. Something about diaper node.com I don't know 1384 01:24:24,990 --> 01:24:25,890 why, but I like it. 1385 01:24:28,290 --> 01:24:32,220 No, that's Congrats, man. That's best. Yeah. Like Adam says best 1386 01:24:32,220 --> 01:24:35,370 thing you'll ever do me you're gonna. You know you. I'm sure 1387 01:24:35,370 --> 01:24:37,020 you've had a lot of sleepless nights so far. 1388 01:24:37,620 --> 01:24:41,100 Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's, it's, it's been worth it though. You know, 1389 01:24:41,580 --> 01:24:43,740 open the reason other podcasts are here. Did you? 1390 01:24:43,890 --> 01:24:46,890 Did you get like a paternity leave or anything like that? 1391 01:24:47,220 --> 01:24:50,370 Yeah. So I was off for about a month for that. Yeah. 1392 01:24:50,430 --> 01:24:52,740 Okay, good, man. That's something I wish I could have 1393 01:24:52,740 --> 01:24:57,240 done with with my kids. Here. Yeah. Yeah, cuz Yeah, my wife. I 1394 01:24:57,240 --> 01:24:59,610 mean, it was just such a hard thing on my wife and then um, 1395 01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,580 I'm working all day. And then I tried to stay up at night and 1396 01:25:02,580 --> 01:25:05,040 pick the kids, or get the kids up and feed them and all that. 1397 01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:05,190 Did 1398 01:25:05,190 --> 01:25:07,560 you have this? Where because whenever Christina would cry in 1399 01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:10,650 the middle of night, it was my job at no problem. But I'd get 1400 01:25:10,650 --> 01:25:14,340 up. I put on my house coat, you know, if I had to really pee a 1401 01:25:14,340 --> 01:25:17,040 pee real quick, and then, you know, go figure out what's wrong 1402 01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:20,580 with the kid. My wife hated that. You're supposed to jump up 1403 01:25:20,580 --> 01:25:23,070 and go race right away and see what's going on. 1404 01:25:23,610 --> 01:25:28,350 Yeah, no, I'm not I'm not of that. No, I was the more like, 1405 01:25:28,380 --> 01:25:29,730 get a cup of coffee. First guy. 1406 01:25:29,730 --> 01:25:35,310 Yeah. Wow, that's really extreme. So David, what else? 1407 01:25:36,150 --> 01:25:38,400 What are your dreams, man? What do you want to be when you grow 1408 01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:43,980 up? No. Oh, podcast developer. All right. Yeah, I'm living the 1409 01:25:43,980 --> 01:25:48,660 dream already. That's what I'm hoping for. So yeah, you know, 1410 01:25:48,660 --> 01:25:51,930 of course, I'd love what I do right now being a mobile 1411 01:25:51,930 --> 01:25:55,830 developer working a little bit on the back end. But yeah, long 1412 01:25:55,830 --> 01:25:58,230 term would love to be able to work on this full time. So we'll 1413 01:25:58,230 --> 01:25:59,910 see where we are. Yes, swift developer. 1414 01:26:00,030 --> 01:26:00,780 Is that your language? 1415 01:26:00,810 --> 01:26:03,690 Yeah, yeah, Swift. Just recently, we've been doing a lot 1416 01:26:03,690 --> 01:26:06,990 more PHP I've kind of started taking over doing some other 1417 01:26:06,990 --> 01:26:09,360 work on the back end as well for our API 1418 01:26:09,690 --> 01:26:11,460 knows your full stack guy, then. 1419 01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:14,190 I'm getting there. I wouldn't call myself that yet. Definitely 1420 01:26:14,190 --> 01:26:18,480 not on LinkedIn. Swift and Objective C has been my, my 1421 01:26:18,480 --> 01:26:20,790 wheelhouse for a long time. So I love it. 1422 01:26:20,820 --> 01:26:23,280 I love that that whole thing. We're looking for a full stack 1423 01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:25,740 developer, that means we want somebody that will do it all and 1424 01:26:25,740 --> 01:26:26,670 that we don't have to pay very much. 1425 01:26:28,860 --> 01:26:32,040 That's totally true. Yeah, it truly is. What 1426 01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:34,410 bullcrap is that I'm sorry, you guys have to go through that 1427 01:26:34,410 --> 01:26:40,020 shit. That's that's really good. How about hyper catcher? What 1428 01:26:40,020 --> 01:26:43,350 did you have a roadmap? Or are you just plotting ahead picking 1429 01:26:43,350 --> 01:26:46,020 up where where it goes? I mean, is there anything that we can do 1430 01:26:46,020 --> 01:26:47,820 for you to make life easier? 1431 01:26:48,690 --> 01:26:52,830 Yeah. So no, I mean, at this point, there's nothing new I 1432 01:26:52,830 --> 01:26:56,550 just knew I would need it's just really just picking up what you 1433 01:26:56,550 --> 01:27:00,420 guys have already created and making sure that I'm supporting 1434 01:27:00,420 --> 01:27:04,140 all the all the tags. So right now, I'm using the search. I'm 1435 01:27:04,140 --> 01:27:08,910 using the funding tag, obviously, chapters. I really 1436 01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:14,040 want to get involved with people and the clips. 1437 01:27:15,390 --> 01:27:20,520 Yeah, another sound bites sound bites another one for for app 1438 01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:23,370 usage, man, I would be making sound bites out the ass if I 1439 01:27:23,370 --> 01:27:24,510 could do that in the app. 1440 01:27:24,990 --> 01:27:28,080 Yep. Yeah. So I really want you to be able to go to an episode 1441 01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:30,600 and then be able to listen to sound bites. And so that's 1442 01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:33,450 that's definitely something that's coming. I'm also working 1443 01:27:33,450 --> 01:27:36,660 on something that's kind of newsletter related. It's no 1444 01:27:36,660 --> 01:27:40,710 Tater co then it's going to be coming out pretty soon. I hope 1445 01:27:40,710 --> 01:27:44,400 it's kind of a someone hit me up on Twitter about working on 1446 01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:47,550 something that was kind of had some similarities to what I've 1447 01:27:47,550 --> 01:27:49,530 already been doing with chapters. I have some cool 1448 01:27:49,530 --> 01:27:53,850 ideas. So I happen to have something out there soon. For 1449 01:27:53,850 --> 01:27:54,660 people to check out. Oh, 1450 01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:56,460 no, no. tater.co 1451 01:27:57,119 --> 01:28:01,799 no Tater co Yeah. Like taking notes on a on a podcast sort of 1452 01:28:01,799 --> 01:28:02,129 thing. 1453 01:28:03,570 --> 01:28:09,390 Okay, okay. So what are you like, what's your what's your 1454 01:28:09,420 --> 01:28:12,720 sort of draw to newsletters? I mean, that that's kind of a big 1455 01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:13,560 thing for Yeah, 1456 01:28:13,650 --> 01:28:19,170 yeah, it is. I think just seeing the way that when I saw during 1457 01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:23,640 Glenn Greenwald, go over to substack. And Matt Taibbi, all 1458 01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:27,210 these you know, it's email, I've heard people talk about kind of 1459 01:28:27,210 --> 01:28:30,510 email being kind of similar to podcasts, and that you can't 1460 01:28:30,510 --> 01:28:34,770 really, you know, stop emails, it's a direct channel. It's kind 1461 01:28:34,770 --> 01:28:38,790 of another, you know, direct channel to the audience. I see 1462 01:28:38,790 --> 01:28:44,580 that as being kind of censorship proof in a way. And so that's, 1463 01:28:44,610 --> 01:28:47,550 and I see some kind of correlation between podcasts and 1464 01:28:47,550 --> 01:28:50,310 newsletters, like there's all these newsletters. The reason I 1465 01:28:50,310 --> 01:28:52,890 built the new feature on the hybrid catcher, you can actually 1466 01:28:52,890 --> 01:28:55,830 listen to newsletters, like a podcast, because that's 1467 01:28:55,830 --> 01:28:58,200 something I've been wanting to do for a while. There's all 1468 01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:01,980 these newsletters out here that I that I want to listen to, and 1469 01:29:02,010 --> 01:29:05,670 you know, and I don't necessarily have time to sit 1470 01:29:05,670 --> 01:29:09,540 down and read it. So I wanted to build out a feature where you 1471 01:29:09,540 --> 01:29:12,750 could listen to a newsletter like a podcast, so that's 1472 01:29:12,780 --> 01:29:14,160 something I recently added. 1473 01:29:14,430 --> 01:29:17,730 Oh, so here's what here's where your whole transcript of Elon 1474 01:29:17,730 --> 01:29:23,100 Musk shows up. Yep, yep. Cool. So you're gonna do it both ways. 1475 01:29:23,100 --> 01:29:26,640 It's very interesting. That the only thing I would say about 1476 01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:30,480 that is sadly email and we have a lot of experience with the no 1477 01:29:30,480 --> 01:29:34,770 agenda newsletter. Email is still some booboo man because 1478 01:29:34,770 --> 01:29:37,980 there's there's a lot of blacklisting gray listing 1479 01:29:37,980 --> 01:29:42,780 issues. There's just so many fucking things. It's it's, it's 1480 01:29:42,810 --> 01:29:47,310 right it's Yeah, I mean, look at MailChimp. You know, MailChimp, 1481 01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:52,200 D platform people now I know that's not the same. Well, 1482 01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:54,930 anyway, I could I could give you a million ideas for this. I like 1483 01:29:54,930 --> 01:29:58,470 it. This is great. Cool, very interesting. I put that in the 1484 01:29:58,470 --> 01:30:03,990 show notes. So hyper catcher Calm notato ko anything else 1485 01:30:03,990 --> 01:30:06,780 that we should put in the shownotes for you? Well, there's 1486 01:30:06,780 --> 01:30:09,300 studio dot hyper catcher calm but I don't 1487 01:30:09,300 --> 01:30:10,020 get greenlit now 1488 01:30:14,309 --> 01:30:14,819 I'll put it in 1489 01:30:17,850 --> 01:30:21,270 I'll call it hyper Capture Studio, hyper Capture Studio, 1490 01:30:21,870 --> 01:30:24,810 which is just a killer name by the way it is a great name hyper 1491 01:30:24,810 --> 01:30:28,350 Capture Studio. I mean, that's just that's just rockin Yeah. 1492 01:30:29,550 --> 01:30:32,100 I appreciate it. Yeah, yeah, hyper capture is just kind of 1493 01:30:32,130 --> 01:30:36,930 calls back to when I was a kid to do a lot of work with hyper 1494 01:30:37,860 --> 01:30:38,610 hyper stack. 1495 01:30:38,910 --> 01:30:42,030 Oh, goodness hyper stack. Oh, that was my first foray into 1496 01:30:42,030 --> 01:30:45,930 Pro. Well besides beta. Yeah, it's a never you could never get 1497 01:30:45,930 --> 01:30:50,910 a almost like Apple script. You know, there's no manual. Where 1498 01:30:50,910 --> 01:30:53,310 can I find out how to actually work this stuff? It's very, I 1499 01:30:53,310 --> 01:30:54,000 found Yeah. 1500 01:30:54,749 --> 01:30:56,789 Hyper stack. That's the Mac stuff, right? 1501 01:30:56,940 --> 01:30:58,830 Yeah. Yeah. But from early 1502 01:30:59,550 --> 01:31:02,310 hypercard. Yeah, from early, early, early days, and they get 1503 01:31:02,310 --> 01:31:03,840 super super card. 1504 01:31:04,470 --> 01:31:06,750 That's what I meant. I said hyper stack. And then hypercard. 1505 01:31:06,780 --> 01:31:08,310 Yes, yeah. 1506 01:31:09,150 --> 01:31:13,050 So I remember a day. I remember you emailed me, David. I mean, 1507 01:31:13,050 --> 01:31:17,250 like, pretty soon after we started the index API. And you 1508 01:31:17,250 --> 01:31:22,230 said, Hey, I'm about to release from the my hyper catcher app 1509 01:31:22,230 --> 01:31:26,040 out of beta or something like that. And you said, is it? Is it 1510 01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:29,910 okay for me? Like, can you handle this in production? And I 1511 01:31:29,910 --> 01:31:32,310 don't remember what I said it was I was like, I don't know. 1512 01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:39,030 Maybe? We're about to figure it out. You know, I was just funny. 1513 01:31:39,030 --> 01:31:41,250 You asked that question. I had to think about it for like, I 1514 01:31:41,250 --> 01:31:44,490 don't know, can we? Maybe I have no idea? Yeah. 1515 01:31:46,650 --> 01:31:48,870 I didn't have that many users at the time. But I was just so 1516 01:31:48,870 --> 01:31:51,720 surprised, because I was used to paying like, $100 a month for 1517 01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:55,650 the other, you know, podcast API that I was using. I just could 1518 01:31:55,650 --> 01:31:58,080 always have you guys listen on this for free listen notes. 1519 01:31:58,410 --> 01:31:59,820 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 1520 01:31:59,850 --> 01:32:02,970 Tell me. Tell me about listen notes is it wasn't any good. 1521 01:32:02,970 --> 01:32:07,470 They'd have a rich feature set. I mean, what? Yeah, obviously, 1522 01:32:07,470 --> 01:32:12,600 we encourage all all competition or parallel projects. 1523 01:32:13,440 --> 01:32:16,230 Yeah, it you know, it started out being pretty reasonable. I 1524 01:32:16,230 --> 01:32:18,720 think when I started with it, it was only like $15 a month or 1525 01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:22,050 something for the, for the basic plan. And it just ratcheted up 1526 01:32:22,050 --> 01:32:25,140 after that, to the point where it just wasn't feasible for me 1527 01:32:25,140 --> 01:32:30,720 to pay for. But their their features were, were not bad. So 1528 01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:34,440 they had, but it's basically nothing that podcasts index 1529 01:32:34,440 --> 01:32:37,140 doesn't have. So I think the biggest thing they had that was 1530 01:32:37,170 --> 01:32:42,600 was nice at the time was a tags, you know, so you can see what 1531 01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:46,050 type of podcasts it is, and you could search based on the tag. 1532 01:32:46,860 --> 01:32:50,460 And then they, they would also have kind of the top, they had a 1533 01:32:50,460 --> 01:32:53,010 couple API's for different categories. So if you want to 1534 01:32:53,010 --> 01:32:57,840 find the top news podcasts and the top comedy podcasts, there 1535 01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:00,240 was kind of simple API's that you could just call into that. 1536 01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:03,570 And that's what my original kind of front page was a bunch of 1537 01:33:03,570 --> 01:33:07,350 different calls to them to fetch the latest different categories. 1538 01:33:07,380 --> 01:33:10,110 That's interesting that you think I just, I'm realizing we 1539 01:33:10,110 --> 01:33:13,410 don't have we don't have that. Now, we could do that. And that 1540 01:33:13,410 --> 01:33:16,170 would be I don't, I've never even thought of it. Yeah, we 1541 01:33:16,170 --> 01:33:18,390 need we need that. Because we have all the category info in 1542 01:33:18,390 --> 01:33:21,300 there, which needs to just need to expose it. How did it Yeah, 1543 01:33:21,330 --> 01:33:21,870 I'll work on that. 1544 01:33:22,260 --> 01:33:25,620 too. Those. Do they support the namespace? 1545 01:33:27,510 --> 01:33:28,440 I don't think so. 1546 01:33:28,770 --> 01:33:31,950 I have no idea. No idea. They should. 1547 01:33:32,310 --> 01:33:35,280 Yeah. You know what, maybe if we can just coerce and 1548 01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:37,830 now it's time for some hot. 1549 01:33:38,700 --> 01:33:40,980 Hello, notes. Join us. 1550 01:33:42,870 --> 01:33:44,880 then that'll work. That'll work. Don't 1551 01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:46,740 be Don't be banging on the door at midnight. 1552 01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:49,740 banging. afraid we're gonna get through a podcast. 1553 01:33:49,830 --> 01:33:53,310 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 1554 01:33:53,550 --> 01:33:54,750 sir. Cool. No, no, 1555 01:33:54,840 --> 01:33:55,380 I couldn't happen. 1556 01:33:56,850 --> 01:34:02,130 Yeah. All right. That's Ella. I love it. I love hyper catcher. 1557 01:34:02,220 --> 01:34:07,290 Big fan. Anyway, just make ways we can give you more money as 1558 01:34:07,290 --> 01:34:09,570 well. Now let's index request. 1559 01:34:10,080 --> 01:34:13,830 All right. Wow. You know, we pretty much all should be saying 1560 01:34:13,830 --> 01:34:14,610 the same thing. 1561 01:34:14,670 --> 01:34:16,950 I love you. And I'm so glad we're doing this together. 1562 01:34:17,220 --> 01:34:20,310 I love you. And I'm so glad that we're doing this together. 1563 01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:23,490 David Norman. You guys yeah. David Norman. I love you. I'm so 1564 01:34:23,490 --> 01:34:26,550 glad we're doing the stick at Dave. Dave. I love you. I'm so 1565 01:34:26,550 --> 01:34:27,690 glad we're doing this together. 1566 01:34:27,870 --> 01:34:29,370 Happy Valentine's Day. Oh, my 1567 01:34:29,370 --> 01:34:30,000 goodness. 1568 01:34:33,330 --> 01:34:36,240 For podcasting 2.0 it's getting steamy in here. 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