1 00:00:00,510 --> 00:00:05,820 podcasting 2.0 for December 18 2020, Episode 16 and we're in 2 00:00:05,820 --> 00:00:07,050 the fourth quarter Batman. 3 00:00:09,929 --> 00:00:15,089 Got to add a little baby to it. It is Friday once again Time for 4 00:00:15,089 --> 00:00:21,569 a board meeting of podcast index.org reviewing the week's 5 00:00:21,569 --> 00:00:26,519 happenings in podcasting 2.0 I'm Adam curry in Austin, Texas and 6 00:00:26,519 --> 00:00:29,969 now the man who put Frederick's podcast on the map Mr. Southern 7 00:00:29,969 --> 00:00:32,489 bred himself, James Jones. 8 00:00:33,780 --> 00:00:34,740 Hey, guys. 9 00:00:34,770 --> 00:00:38,070 Hey, guys. Have you been? 10 00:00:39,450 --> 00:00:42,570 Yeah, I've got a complete new direction for the show. We're 11 00:00:42,570 --> 00:00:43,770 gonna fix this show. 12 00:00:44,249 --> 00:00:46,739 And we're gonna we're gonna start by saying Hey, guys. 13 00:00:47,010 --> 00:00:50,010 Yes. So we're gonna turn this we're gonna turn this into a six 14 00:00:50,010 --> 00:00:55,260 figure podcast. overnight. Start with Hey, guys. 15 00:00:55,260 --> 00:00:56,550 Hey, guys. Yeah, 16 00:00:56,580 --> 00:00:59,850 in five minutes of talking inside baseball, just about 17 00:00:59,850 --> 00:01:01,980 stuff that people don't understand about ourselves. 18 00:01:02,310 --> 00:01:06,060 Yeah, then 10 minutes of talking about what we're going to talk 19 00:01:06,060 --> 00:01:09,000 about. Yeah, and then and then an ad roll. 20 00:01:09,540 --> 00:01:10,080 Mid roll. 21 00:01:10,950 --> 00:01:14,280 Mid roll. Yeah. Then Then the content which only maybe like 22 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:20,070 maybe five minutes. In essence a bunch of times for people to 23 00:01:20,070 --> 00:01:21,060 subscribe. 24 00:01:21,180 --> 00:01:23,160 Yeah, we can't really point to the bottom the screen because 25 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,250 it's smash that subscribe button, guys. 26 00:01:26,670 --> 00:01:30,000 Yes, smash. Smash the subscribe button. You got to do that at 27 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:30,420 least. 28 00:01:33,180 --> 00:01:37,020 If I might say asking people to boost the podcast on Sphinx chat 29 00:01:37,020 --> 00:01:41,220 is not much different from asking. Smash subscribe. is 30 00:01:41,220 --> 00:01:45,480 pretty douchey it's in the same league. And definitely. Yeah. 31 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:46,170 How are you doing, man? 32 00:01:46,830 --> 00:01:51,090 I'm pretty good. Yeah, good. Um, I'm feeling good. This is a good 33 00:01:51,090 --> 00:01:51,540 Friday. 34 00:01:52,049 --> 00:01:52,949 Oh, well, that's nice. 35 00:01:53,700 --> 00:01:55,380 It's just the two of us. No guests. 36 00:01:55,470 --> 00:01:59,040 Yeah. And it's hard to catch up when we when we have a guest. 37 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,430 And I guess any of the guests are hanging because, you know, I 38 00:02:02,430 --> 00:02:05,820 don't have a production assistant who could who could 39 00:02:05,820 --> 00:02:10,500 dial them in when appropriate. So I'm very, you know, I'm very 40 00:02:10,500 --> 00:02:13,260 aware that just sitting there listening along, going. Okay, 41 00:02:13,260 --> 00:02:14,190 what is our turn? 42 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,000 She's saying that song. Just the two of the just 43 00:02:18,029 --> 00:02:21,839 the winners. The winners. Okay. That's right. I 44 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,930 was thinking in my head. I was thinking Billy ocean? No, no. 45 00:02:26,490 --> 00:02:29,280 The Fabulous Bill Withers he passed away this year. 46 00:02:30,029 --> 00:02:32,189 Yeah, like, was in March or something like that in March? 47 00:02:32,969 --> 00:02:35,339 During the Rona. I think, 48 00:02:35,369 --> 00:02:38,579 yeah. Yeah. Everybody's posting old pictures of him, like from 49 00:02:38,579 --> 00:02:42,269 the 70s. And I'm like, that's a good looking man right there. 50 00:02:43,979 --> 00:02:45,629 You know, he's, he had it going on. He 51 00:02:45,630 --> 00:02:52,440 was the 70s kind of guy. And he had it all going on. Exactly. So 52 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:58,080 I hope you well, things are good. It's been really busy with 53 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,080 no agenda, obviously, just, you know, tracking all the stuff 54 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,200 that's happening right now. But in the meantime, I made a very 55 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:09,930 brave move, and decided to really give graphene OS a go as 56 00:03:09,930 --> 00:03:11,070 my daily driver. 57 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,450 Yeah, yeah. Tell me about that. Because you were you were 58 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:16,920 texting me saying this is great. 59 00:03:17,130 --> 00:03:21,150 Yeah, there's only one processor. It's loaded. One of 60 00:03:21,210 --> 00:03:26,370 one of our producers loaded this on a pixel two. Now I had 61 00:03:26,370 --> 00:03:30,270 replaced the battery. And I knew that the previous battery was 62 00:03:30,270 --> 00:03:34,620 completely crap, it would run down in like 45 minutes. And I 63 00:03:34,620 --> 00:03:36,870 had the battery replaced, I shouldn't say I replace it how 64 00:03:36,870 --> 00:03:40,500 to replace because you have to be cracked open. And I think 65 00:03:40,530 --> 00:03:43,170 even had to replace it wasn't worth it in the last class to 66 00:03:43,170 --> 00:03:47,010 replace the screen and and get a new battery. And it works never 67 00:03:47,010 --> 00:03:47,640 works, right? 68 00:03:47,670 --> 00:03:50,730 Isn't it like it? Well, it works, right? But when you crack 69 00:03:50,730 --> 00:03:53,730 a phone open and have to like re glue it and all that jazz yet. 70 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:57,780 Like it never fits back together exactly the way it did for the 71 00:03:57,780 --> 00:03:58,350 factory. 72 00:03:58,469 --> 00:04:01,409 Well, I just didn't i didn't have it from the factory. I 73 00:04:01,409 --> 00:04:07,259 can't speak. But but the but the battery still runs down pretty 74 00:04:07,259 --> 00:04:09,659 quickly. And it didn't because I had this thing in the drawer 75 00:04:09,659 --> 00:04:12,869 just laying around. I'd messed around with it. And I decided 76 00:04:12,869 --> 00:04:14,549 you know what, I'm going to give it a real go. I'm going to 77 00:04:14,549 --> 00:04:17,309 customize it. I'm going to install stuff, see if it'll 78 00:04:17,309 --> 00:04:23,069 work. And I'm I'm blown away by how fast it is. How intuitive 79 00:04:23,069 --> 00:04:28,649 Some things are much more intuitive than than iOS. And for 80 00:04:28,649 --> 00:04:31,349 the first time I can really use some of the web apps, the 81 00:04:31,349 --> 00:04:35,129 progressive web apps that are podcasting 2.0 compliant, not 82 00:04:35,129 --> 00:04:38,999 that I couldn't use them on iOS, but now you play it and you just 83 00:04:38,999 --> 00:04:42,239 put it in the background or you lock the lock the device and it 84 00:04:42,239 --> 00:04:45,029 keeps playing. That's really nice. 85 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:50,610 What's the screen is it never had a pixel. I don't know what 86 00:04:51,300 --> 00:04:54,420 it's not to be like, Is it a big one? No, no, no, no, no, it's 87 00:04:54,420 --> 00:04:57,210 the size of the iPhone seven. Actually. It's just a little bit 88 00:04:57,210 --> 00:04:57,990 bigger than that. 89 00:04:58,619 --> 00:05:01,859 That's a good size. The gigantic No, I 90 00:05:01,860 --> 00:05:06,600 had those. It doesn't work out. It's like an after you've had a 91 00:05:06,630 --> 00:05:09,510 smaller phone for a while and you put one of those big ones in 92 00:05:09,510 --> 00:05:13,080 your hands like what was I thinking? Yeah, why not? Yeah. 93 00:05:13,110 --> 00:05:14,610 Why did I ever want this? 94 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:16,980 Especially if you have to take a phone calls like holding them. 95 00:05:17,010 --> 00:05:18,540 It's like holding a laptop to your head. 96 00:05:19,620 --> 00:05:25,320 And iPad. Exactly, yeah. But it's, that's, that's really been 97 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:26,250 pleasant 98 00:05:26,850 --> 00:05:30,870 to have. Cuz you can't hook it up to a screen though. Right? He 99 00:05:30,870 --> 00:05:34,410 said, You have to get like a. Yeah. hook it up to like a 100 00:05:34,410 --> 00:05:34,920 monitor. 101 00:05:34,950 --> 00:05:39,210 Yes. So it has full on keyboard and mouse support out of the box 102 00:05:39,210 --> 00:05:45,720 through Bluetooth, which is very interesting. Using I use the K 103 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,800 nine email app, which is open source has been around forever, 104 00:05:49,980 --> 00:05:53,640 but it has all the key commands, the shortcuts already pre 105 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:58,170 programmed. So you hit r goes to reply, you know, even Alt Tab 106 00:05:58,170 --> 00:06:01,950 works if you want to switch between applications. This is 107 00:06:02,070 --> 00:06:05,640 surprisingly good. Yeah, it's really that's well, it's quite 108 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,360 cool. And so in the three and the four, I guess, the five, but 109 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:13,590 the graphene is not been adapted for the five yet, nor do I want 110 00:06:13,590 --> 00:06:19,710 a 5g handset. Apparently, the HDMI out works and they have 111 00:06:19,710 --> 00:06:23,700 floating windows. So you can drag windows around on your 112 00:06:23,730 --> 00:06:27,420 secondary monitor on a phone. That's pennis. I 113 00:06:27,419 --> 00:06:28,289 mean, now now 114 00:06:28,290 --> 00:06:30,750 you're getting very close to what I was trying to do with a 115 00:06:30,750 --> 00:06:34,500 Linux phone. Because you know, you can you can, there's all 116 00:06:34,500 --> 00:06:37,560 kinds of apps that give you a command line, and I guess it's 117 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:42,090 some really minimalistic Linux install, you can get some stuff 118 00:06:42,090 --> 00:06:45,990 working, you know. So we'll see. It's fun. And I mean, 119 00:06:46,260 --> 00:06:50,100 even if you used it for just a remote, like, if you had another 120 00:06:50,100 --> 00:06:53,310 machine set up, let's just say you had your desktop running as 121 00:06:53,310 --> 00:06:56,820 a cloud, you know, like a VM and a cloud somewhere. And then you 122 00:06:56,820 --> 00:07:00,120 just use right here like remote access and sure thing from 123 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,460 wherever you were, yes, cool. Yeah, I 124 00:07:02,460 --> 00:07:05,100 already have that I have a remote machine that that updates 125 00:07:05,100 --> 00:07:08,160 automatically with whatever I have in mind, my Linux laptop. 126 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:11,970 And that works really well. So you just you know, you're 127 00:07:11,970 --> 00:07:16,020 outside, just SSH in good to go. That works surprisingly well. 128 00:07:16,020 --> 00:07:20,610 I'm in and what was beautiful is after so within one week after 129 00:07:20,610 --> 00:07:24,420 speaking about some features that I would love to see from 130 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:30,360 from all of our apps that Martin had already integrated my my top 131 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:34,500 two, which was a latest episodes, which is working 132 00:07:34,500 --> 00:07:38,280 beautifully. So I don't have to you know, I can see what 133 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,010 podcasts update he kind of already had that. But now hey, 134 00:07:41,010 --> 00:07:44,640 here's all the new episodes in chronological order. That's very 135 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:50,310 handy. And the Share, share with the time code. And today we 136 00:07:50,310 --> 00:07:55,830 discovered that he didn't even know about the the share panel 137 00:07:55,830 --> 00:07:58,830 that apparently can be accessed with I guess some CSS or 138 00:07:58,830 --> 00:08:02,670 something. So it's really becoming an incredibly 139 00:08:02,670 --> 00:08:05,430 functional app. Because now I mean, I have all the things I 140 00:08:05,430 --> 00:08:08,550 want all the almost I think everything that overcast does, 141 00:08:08,790 --> 00:08:12,390 and of course, overcast I don't have it on this phone. And so 142 00:08:12,390 --> 00:08:14,430 right now pod friend is looking pretty good. 143 00:08:15,990 --> 00:08:19,500 So it's a pw a so you can just pin it right to your home screen 144 00:08:19,500 --> 00:08:21,900 like a regular app. Exactly. Yeah. In fact, I've 145 00:08:21,900 --> 00:08:26,610 little folder of all of all of the 2.0 app because each one has 146 00:08:26,610 --> 00:08:32,430 something a little different. So I like was it pod verse has the 147 00:08:33,330 --> 00:08:34,560 a lot of clips. 148 00:08:36,420 --> 00:08:38,130 Yeah, I got a clip for barbers today. 149 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:39,840 Which one is it? 150 00:08:41,069 --> 00:08:46,019 Uh, it is. Well, gosh, what would you ask me? It's the one 151 00:08:46,019 --> 00:08:49,619 that I think is clip. Done. And this is say something about 152 00:08:49,619 --> 00:08:56,909 dynamic ads. A clip to clip. One, maybe? podcasts are cool. 153 00:09:00,060 --> 00:09:03,960 That's not necessarily the one but who are these podcasts and 154 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,110 Mama knows Oh, mama knows best ads? Yeah, no, it's 155 00:09:07,110 --> 00:09:09,840 not. No, it's not that one. It's the other one. Okay. It's what 156 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:11,760 are these podcasts? That's it. All right, hold 157 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:12,420 on a second. Here. 158 00:09:12,420 --> 00:09:16,770 We're saying they also of course, have tons of 159 00:09:16,770 --> 00:09:20,880 advertising. The advertising is off the charts on the shoulder. 160 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,160 But what am I mean, it's it's funny you talk about the 161 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,590 advertising because I don't know if you listened to the cats 162 00:09:25,590 --> 00:09:29,070 episode. Maybe you did. I did. I did. It's It's nearly two hours 163 00:09:29,070 --> 00:09:32,370 long. Yeah. So they play this little stingers when ads will 164 00:09:32,370 --> 00:09:34,800 play and I'm wondering if they might be in trouble because 165 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,550 listen to what they left in this show, play my number 12 they 166 00:09:38,550 --> 00:09:45,960 have to add breaks. Can I just bring up one thing here too? Hot 167 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:46,320 airberlin. 168 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:50,400 Let's get to the questions here from the crowd 169 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:54,930 because I'm glad you could edit that stuff out. Like No, no, no, 170 00:09:54,930 --> 00:09:57,750 no. I'm glad you picked up on this because I'll tell you 171 00:09:57,750 --> 00:10:00,720 what's happening here. This is a newer funnel. Now we're gonna 172 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,080 see more and more as we start to review these shows what the feed 173 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,870 that you get is different than the feed that I get. I listened 174 00:10:06,870 --> 00:10:10,740 to it through my app. And that was what I heard as well. And 175 00:10:10,740 --> 00:10:13,980 then I downloaded it from Apple podcasts in order to clip it. 176 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,010 And there was an ad in there. It's dynamic insertion. So 177 00:10:17,010 --> 00:10:20,040 they're putting in timestamps. And then if there is an ad to 178 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,590 serve to somebody based on who you are, they'll put an ad in 179 00:10:22,590 --> 00:10:25,290 there if there isn't, that's really a weird, obnoxious thing, 180 00:10:25,290 --> 00:10:26,910 where it's just like this empty ad spot. 181 00:10:27,090 --> 00:10:31,500 Oh, my goodness. I wonder, I wonder who's, who's selling that 182 00:10:31,500 --> 00:10:33,720 I wonder who's doing the dynamic insertion? 183 00:10:34,560 --> 00:10:36,870 I don't know. wasn't clear from what they were saying. But like, 184 00:10:36,870 --> 00:10:41,340 you can see the he can see the danger of putting the stinger on 185 00:10:41,340 --> 00:10:44,400 either side of your ad of your ad roll. And then there's no ad. 186 00:10:44,430 --> 00:10:48,870 It's, like, mentally jarring thing. Whoa, what just happened? 187 00:10:48,870 --> 00:10:49,320 Yeah. 188 00:10:49,890 --> 00:10:53,430 So so. And I've been thinking about this. And you know, the 189 00:10:53,430 --> 00:10:59,250 conversation is everywhere. Is there a way that we can do 190 00:10:59,250 --> 00:11:09,330 anything with the index to make this easier or to benefit? to 191 00:11:09,330 --> 00:11:14,850 benefit anybody who wants to do ads? I don't want if there's a 192 00:11:14,850 --> 00:11:17,400 way for the index to help if there's something that can be 193 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:21,570 provided, that would make stuff easier? And I'm just throwing it 194 00:11:21,570 --> 00:11:26,490 out there. I mean, I don't want to add the whole idea of Bitcoin 195 00:11:26,490 --> 00:11:31,530 lightning is perpendicular to that, but I want to stay open to 196 00:11:31,530 --> 00:11:34,650 being able to help. Well, there's something about stats. 197 00:11:35,220 --> 00:11:36,330 Was there something you were telling me 198 00:11:36,330 --> 00:11:40,620 that was going on about stats? Yeah, we've been telling you 199 00:11:40,620 --> 00:11:45,210 that I had had conversations, a couple conversations this past 200 00:11:45,570 --> 00:11:49,440 two weeks with some posters, and they were both just expressing 201 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:55,800 frustration about stats about just the whole IBC process. And 202 00:11:56,940 --> 00:12:00,840 how that how difficult it is and how stupid expensive it is. 203 00:12:01,350 --> 00:12:02,010 Well, that's, 204 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,410 that's, that's how it works. That's I mean, that's the 205 00:12:04,410 --> 00:12:07,920 Nielsen model is come up with the standard, get everybody to 206 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,710 buy in, and then have them pay you to be member of the 207 00:12:10,710 --> 00:12:13,380 standards group that so you get the reports, right. 208 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,310 Yeah, I mean, that's totally what this is. And you if you're 209 00:12:17,310 --> 00:12:20,610 a host of any size, you're paying well into five figures. 210 00:12:21,330 --> 00:12:25,680 Wow. I don't know how high that goes. Is it based on on your 211 00:12:26,339 --> 00:12:27,989 What? How do they base that? 212 00:12:28,770 --> 00:12:33,750 I hadn't really had no idea. And, you know, I don't I don't 213 00:12:33,750 --> 00:12:36,900 want to give any real, real fate. Well, 214 00:12:38,070 --> 00:12:41,190 we can't we can't even ask any of our hosting buddies about 215 00:12:41,190 --> 00:12:44,340 this publicly, because I'm sure it's all sensitive. 216 00:12:46,260 --> 00:12:53,190 Yeah, yeah. But they were. They were like, Well, you know, the 217 00:12:53,220 --> 00:12:56,460 guys are talking to is like, it's just, it's just kind of the 218 00:12:56,460 --> 00:13:00,060 whole thing is a little bit disconcerting, because for what 219 00:13:00,060 --> 00:13:05,520 you get, it's like, what you get for the money? Is, is kind of 220 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:10,830 not. And let me let me stop. I don't I don't I'm not throwing a 221 00:13:10,830 --> 00:13:13,680 baby or any nest. I mean, I don't know when even enough 222 00:13:13,680 --> 00:13:19,140 about it. I'm still making my way through the IB. spec. So I 223 00:13:19,140 --> 00:13:24,630 mean, I'm not going to speak competently enough to criticize 224 00:13:24,630 --> 00:13:29,040 or anything like that. But, you know, we know already. So I'm 225 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:33,450 coming at it from a couple of standpoints. We know from recent 226 00:13:33,450 --> 00:13:37,950 experience, that standard by standards bodies and working 227 00:13:37,950 --> 00:13:45,420 groups in podcasting, or slow roll, and they never get much 228 00:13:45,420 --> 00:13:52,170 accomplished. Yeah, it's fairly obvious. Yeah. Yes. And I think 229 00:13:52,170 --> 00:13:55,500 there's not I think there's a very good reason for that. It's, 230 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,680 whenever you put together a standards body, and especially 231 00:13:58,680 --> 00:14:01,380 when there's money involved, a lot of money involved, and 232 00:14:01,380 --> 00:14:05,160 there's memberships and all these sorts of things. There's a 233 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:10,830 natural tendency for gatekeeping Mm hmm. And the gatekeeper. When 234 00:14:10,830 --> 00:14:15,180 you start gatekeeping, you have older established players that 235 00:14:15,180 --> 00:14:17,340 are in that market. They're usually the ones who are on 236 00:14:17,340 --> 00:14:20,040 these boards and these working grants, they are experts 237 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:20,880 at gatekeeping. 238 00:14:21,390 --> 00:14:24,450 experts in every field, this is not just podcasting, every 239 00:14:24,450 --> 00:14:30,810 industry is this way. And once you have a group of sort of old 240 00:14:30,810 --> 00:14:33,750 established gatekeepers that are running these these nonprofits 241 00:14:33,750 --> 00:14:36,930 and these working groups and that kind of thing. There's 242 00:14:36,930 --> 00:14:41,580 really not that much impetus for progress. Because they're kind 243 00:14:41,580 --> 00:14:46,020 of steering the whole the ship and so the young, the sort of 244 00:14:46,020 --> 00:14:51,120 younger and more in smaller and more aggressive competitors in 245 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,000 that in whatever market that's in, they're always going to want 246 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:58,320 to move faster. But they can't you know, because the the sort 247 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:02,760 of whales are in or driving the ship. And so I think I mean, 248 00:15:02,790 --> 00:15:06,660 podcasting is is, is prominent that just like every industry is 249 00:15:06,660 --> 00:15:11,190 there's going to be large working groups that take forever 250 00:15:11,190 --> 00:15:15,840 to make decisions. I mean, you, you know, with the namespace, 251 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:20,310 it's, we're, you know, half halfway to phase two already. 252 00:15:20,310 --> 00:15:23,340 And that's something that probably would have taken 253 00:15:23,340 --> 00:15:25,260 Working Group, you know, five years. 254 00:15:25,500 --> 00:15:29,190 Well, no, it took working groups multiple years. And that didn't 255 00:15:29,190 --> 00:15:35,760 happen. And I've been told in confidence. So I, I don't want 256 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:39,000 to bust anybody. But it'll be news eventually, that another 257 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:45,540 large podcast host is going to jump on board and add in support 258 00:15:45,540 --> 00:15:47,220 all of the namespace tags. 259 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:48,960 Now, that's great. Yeah. 260 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:53,850 So so we know, that's the kind of stuff where 261 00:15:55,140 --> 00:15:57,510 we already have almost 100,000 feeds out there in the wild that 262 00:15:57,510 --> 00:16:01,380 are supporting the namespace tags. So another big host jumps 263 00:16:01,380 --> 00:16:03,600 on board. I mean, that's just you're talking about now you're 264 00:16:03,690 --> 00:16:05,340 on that roll, you know, momentum rolling. 265 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:10,170 Exactly. And and then it's up to any podcast developer, whether 266 00:16:10,170 --> 00:16:14,250 you're doing a progressive web app, or whether you're Apple, 267 00:16:14,670 --> 00:16:17,700 and honestly, Spotify, but I don't think that that nimble 268 00:16:17,700 --> 00:16:20,100 that they're trying to figure out the ad stuff, make that all 269 00:16:20,100 --> 00:16:25,260 work trying to get the audience side working. Yeah. Which brings 270 00:16:25,260 --> 00:16:28,530 me back to my community features, because that's where 271 00:16:28,530 --> 00:16:33,210 we're going to crush it. Once we have that, we can really, really 272 00:16:33,210 --> 00:16:37,470 crush it if we can figure out how that would work. Did Did you 273 00:16:37,470 --> 00:16:38,010 see that? 274 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:42,030 Did you read that article? Has independent podcasting. Pete, 275 00:16:42,090 --> 00:16:42,720 did you read that? 276 00:16:43,170 --> 00:16:47,730 I skimmed it. I the minute I saw it, I was like, what's the 277 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:48,990 what's the gist? Yeah. 278 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,480 Well, I mean, it's probably what you think goes 279 00:16:51,810 --> 00:16:54,960 to the money go to the money's Don't Don't be independent. 280 00:16:56,460 --> 00:16:59,430 It's not it's not No, it's not that bad. It's it's not that bad 281 00:16:59,430 --> 00:17:03,600 really isn't? It's, it's more. It's something that caught my 282 00:17:03,810 --> 00:17:09,030 attention was, he says in here in the podcasting ecosystem, has 283 00:17:09,030 --> 00:17:12,090 enormous strengths. It's open, it's flexible, it could easily 284 00:17:12,090 --> 00:17:15,870 become interactive. And I think that's what we're trying to do. 285 00:17:15,900 --> 00:17:18,510 We're trying to make it interactive. And whether it's 286 00:17:18,540 --> 00:17:21,990 lightning or whether it's just something as simple as chapters 287 00:17:21,990 --> 00:17:24,930 and all that kind of stuff. The interactivity has always been 288 00:17:24,930 --> 00:17:27,660 there. It's nice to see somebody, you know, write that 289 00:17:27,660 --> 00:17:29,370 in print in a way that's clear. 290 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:35,430 Did I see someone on podcast index post about some, some idea 291 00:17:35,490 --> 00:17:40,800 of sending input data from one app to the other? 292 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,720 I think what Yeah, okay, if you're talking about how you 293 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,560 talk about like, x, or not exporting, but like, where you 294 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:54,120 are in a podcast, if you're, if you've listened to 30 minutes of 295 00:17:54,120 --> 00:17:57,750 this podcast, to a different app, pick it up? Yeah. 296 00:17:58,260 --> 00:18:01,770 Well, if we have no, we have if we have that, how does that 297 00:18:01,770 --> 00:18:02,700 mechanism work? 298 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:09,060 I have no idea. Like, that's work, you just got to figure it 299 00:18:09,060 --> 00:18:09,660 out, you know? 300 00:18:10,230 --> 00:18:12,330 Well, somewhere you're gonna we're gonna need services. 301 00:18:12,330 --> 00:18:15,090 Correct. We're gonna need a service. If you want to have 302 00:18:15,570 --> 00:18:19,740 community chapters that can be input to from any app, you're 303 00:18:19,740 --> 00:18:22,710 gonna need some some service that does something in the 304 00:18:22,710 --> 00:18:28,740 middle. Mm, link linkers. Link blink services like glue, a way 305 00:18:28,740 --> 00:18:32,010 to glue things together. Okay, just had I had a brain fart, 306 00:18:32,010 --> 00:18:41,010 here you go. All right. Daniel J, pay attention. Isn't this 307 00:18:41,700 --> 00:18:47,820 something that would be new, that would make sense to create 308 00:18:47,820 --> 00:18:52,860 some kind of standard? Maybe it's a tag, I don't know. But 309 00:18:52,860 --> 00:18:57,330 it's a community server. And maybe this community server is 310 00:18:57,330 --> 00:19:04,530 no more than Here comes a JSON file. That that has pointers to 311 00:19:04,530 --> 00:19:08,400 a whole bunch of different things. So for instance, I 312 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,300 believe it will be incredibly simple. Here's this is Adams 313 00:19:12,300 --> 00:19:19,650 dumb thinking, if I had a web app, a web podcast web app, I 314 00:19:19,650 --> 00:19:25,260 would probably fire up an IRC server, which means I have a lot 315 00:19:25,260 --> 00:19:28,050 of experience using them not setting them up and not running 316 00:19:28,050 --> 00:19:33,870 them. That could literally have a different channel for each 317 00:19:33,870 --> 00:19:38,580 individual podcast. And there's so much web code available for 318 00:19:38,580 --> 00:19:43,350 IRC that you could easily create and, or someone could host 319 00:19:43,350 --> 00:19:48,060 themselves, an IRC server that you tie every single app into. 320 00:19:48,780 --> 00:19:51,930 And that could be referenced or you know, whatever data you need 321 00:19:51,930 --> 00:19:55,980 that might come from one external JSON that is like 322 00:19:55,980 --> 00:19:59,520 third, third parties, third services or something, we need a 323 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:05,730 way to create communicate, how to tie into something that can 324 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:10,710 that can make these dysfunctionality happen. So 325 00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:16,260 whether it's an IRC server or a Sphinx chat tribe, it shouldn't 326 00:20:16,260 --> 00:20:20,700 matter the feature or something should be able to tell an app. 327 00:20:20,730 --> 00:20:22,560 Okay, here's how we do chat. 328 00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:31,200 Oh, okay. So your light cross, so I can have I guess I threw 329 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:36,210 in all the JSON crap, just for effect, but I guess you don't 330 00:20:36,210 --> 00:20:39,570 really need it. But you understand what I'm saying? It's 331 00:20:39,570 --> 00:20:43,800 like an act. I think I do IRC is the is the simplest, anybody can 332 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,010 set one up, you can rent them everywhere, you can set it up on 333 00:20:47,010 --> 00:20:53,970 a crappy ass box that runs on five bucks a month. And it's 334 00:20:53,970 --> 00:20:58,140 universal interface into it, which any app developer can 335 00:20:58,950 --> 00:21:04,740 modify. I mean, for me, I mean, and it has registration. There's 336 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:06,600 all these benefits to it. 337 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:12,090 So that, okay, so on, that I know, we're getting off topic of 338 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:17,490 any sort of topic. But I don't understand why slack took over 339 00:21:18,060 --> 00:21:23,130 rcma. slack is basically IRC. I don't I guess I really just 340 00:21:23,130 --> 00:21:25,980 don't understand why slack became what it is when you work 341 00:21:26,220 --> 00:21:26,520 as a 342 00:21:27,630 --> 00:21:34,860 UX. It's all it's all the user experience. I mean, why? Why did 343 00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:40,170 follow, take off over subscribe? Pam is better is just a much 344 00:21:40,170 --> 00:21:43,860 better understanding. Oh, I get it. I'm following that, when of 345 00:21:43,860 --> 00:21:46,110 course, you're actually doing something completely different? 346 00:21:47,310 --> 00:21:50,430 Well, if that's the case, and I think what you're talking about, 347 00:21:51,180 --> 00:21:56,130 is this ability for multiple apps to coordinate their 348 00:21:56,130 --> 00:22:01,290 experience their podcast user experience, together, Mm hmm. So 349 00:22:01,290 --> 00:22:07,500 that you have so that I know, as an app, the, you know, there's, 350 00:22:07,530 --> 00:22:11,910 as I know, there's a pod verse, I can somehow look at this feed, 351 00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:17,760 and see that that pod friend, excuse me, is pod verse and look 352 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,430 at the feet and say, okay, they're chat servers here. So 353 00:22:20,430 --> 00:22:22,860 then pod friend can also look at their feet and say, the chat, 354 00:22:22,890 --> 00:22:25,230 you know, the chat servers there. Exactly. They can both be 355 00:22:25,230 --> 00:22:29,370 feeding back to the same thing from within the app. Yes. Okay. 356 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,360 And and if anyone needs me to set up an IRC server to test 357 00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:37,980 this, let me know. I'm just saying that it's universal. I 358 00:22:37,980 --> 00:22:42,840 mean, all of these chat type apps have a form of web hook 359 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,680 into it. So you know, you can, you can always create a an 360 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,900 interface around the functionality as long as and 361 00:22:48,900 --> 00:22:52,110 maybe it's a tag that has to be, or that should be in the system. 362 00:22:52,290 --> 00:22:56,610 But that's why I'm saying maybe we do need some kind of cool, I 363 00:22:56,610 --> 00:22:58,710 don't know what belongs in the in the feet and what doesn't, I 364 00:22:58,710 --> 00:23:01,050 don't know how that works. Some things are there. Some things 365 00:23:01,050 --> 00:23:01,380 aren't? 366 00:23:01,950 --> 00:23:05,340 Well, you can't eat all these things have cost games anyway. 367 00:23:05,340 --> 00:23:10,020 So you're, it's like IRC colon slash slash, win. Right? Right. 368 00:23:10,110 --> 00:23:12,360 You know, and that tells you Okay, it's an IRC server, or if 369 00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:17,070 it gotcha, maybe Sphinx, thinks chat, colon slash, Lina. Uh huh. 370 00:23:18,450 --> 00:23:22,020 That just that data in a link, tell you what you need. Okay. 371 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,760 Well, something like that back. You know, I can see that being. 372 00:23:26,820 --> 00:23:29,910 And that's just one. That's one step. You know, now you've 373 00:23:29,910 --> 00:23:33,120 created a connection between all these app now you've created 374 00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:38,220 something that Apple and Spotify probably will never do. 375 00:23:40,260 --> 00:23:41,040 I can't know. Okay. 376 00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:45,990 But yeah, no, I mean, and no, I just don't think that they, 377 00:23:46,050 --> 00:23:49,290 they. I mean, they can do anything they want, but I don't 378 00:23:49,290 --> 00:23:53,100 think they'll ever focus on that. And this is, and this is 379 00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:59,490 big. I mean, for no agenda. There's the troll room. No 380 00:23:59,490 --> 00:24:04,890 agenda stream.com. And that's just a really bad page that I 381 00:24:04,890 --> 00:24:07,440 just created with the freedom controller is nothing there and 382 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:12,300 just has a link and you can open up a, a web interface to the 383 00:24:12,330 --> 00:24:16,170 chat room. It has a little player for the live stream. So 384 00:24:16,170 --> 00:24:19,920 it's no different, you know, just take that code, or take 385 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:24,630 those those that pointer to that IRC channel and log them in. 386 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:32,160 Yeah, I mean, I think that chat rooms have become like an 387 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,120 integral part of a lot of podcasts. So I don't see that 388 00:24:36,120 --> 00:24:40,920 it's necessarily such a stretch to have a task, some sort of tag 389 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:46,140 for that. Because you've like, I mean, I can probably there's 390 00:24:46,140 --> 00:24:49,410 probably five I can name off top my head that have chat rooms. 391 00:24:50,130 --> 00:24:54,360 And if you had some, I guess we get to a certain size and you 392 00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:58,680 want to have a chat room. You just spin up an IRC somewhere 393 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,310 and then you just stick it in Your feed? I don't know where it 394 00:25:02,310 --> 00:25:06,150 would go or how it would be present. But it seems that seems 395 00:25:06,150 --> 00:25:08,430 like a good deal to me. I mean, it seems like a worthwhile thing 396 00:25:08,430 --> 00:25:11,550 to me. All right, at least you have everybody in it, because 397 00:25:11,610 --> 00:25:14,760 because there's our C apps on phones. So you have, you know, 398 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,880 if you tap the little chat room chat room link on your podcast 399 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,910 app, it could kick you over to the IRC for that room. 400 00:25:21,030 --> 00:25:25,980 And here's another Adam Curry idea. If you are an IRC app 401 00:25:25,980 --> 00:25:31,020 developer, consider baking some podcast into your IRC app, you 402 00:25:31,020 --> 00:25:37,380 can reverse the process and some lightning. Yeah, well, I'm on 403 00:25:37,380 --> 00:25:42,060 the lightning. And this is for streaming, streaming payments, 404 00:25:42,990 --> 00:25:48,510 streaming value for value. We've had some interesting preliminary 405 00:25:48,510 --> 00:25:52,770 conversations. And I think we're going to wind up with I don't 406 00:25:52,770 --> 00:25:58,020 know, the timeframe or whatever, is a way to lightening of phi, 407 00:25:58,620 --> 00:26:03,390 almost any podcast app, really with just a couple of API calls? 408 00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:06,180 Am I am I correct in saying that? 409 00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:09,540 Yeah, I think is so what what it'll what it'll be if this 410 00:26:09,540 --> 00:26:14,460 works out the way we think it will, will, what it'll be is a 411 00:26:14,460 --> 00:26:17,040 lightning app, there's, let's give me a lightning wallet 412 00:26:17,070 --> 00:26:22,530 provided by a wallet provide a lightning wallet provider. And 413 00:26:22,530 --> 00:26:27,330 so then there's an API that you could hook into, that just says, 414 00:26:27,780 --> 00:26:31,110 the key that just tells you tells the add the podcast, app 415 00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:34,440 basics, some basic stuff about what's in the wallet, like your 416 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:39,000 balance, your you know, an address, book type deal, just as 417 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,290 a couple of bare bones things is really all the podcast app would 418 00:26:43,290 --> 00:26:48,570 have to do is just call the API, maybe set up a new Wallet for 419 00:26:48,570 --> 00:26:50,580 somebody who doesn't have one. And these are all just some 420 00:26:50,580 --> 00:26:52,830 simple API calls. And all the heavy lifting is done on the 421 00:26:52,830 --> 00:26:57,720 provider side, then, so when then all the app is doing the 422 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:02,160 podcast app is doing is as you listen, it just pings 423 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:06,090 periodically to the wallet provider and says, Hey, this 424 00:27:06,090 --> 00:27:12,390 person's wallet needs to send this mini SATs to these, these 425 00:27:12,420 --> 00:27:16,920 these, these addresses. Or probably what's going to happen 426 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,720 more likely is it will say here is there needs to be a send and 427 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,940 this is what I was thinking about over the weekend. There 428 00:27:23,940 --> 00:27:27,510 needs to be ascend, ascend needs to happen or excuse me, like a 429 00:27:27,510 --> 00:27:31,320 payout needs to happen. And you will, you know, you call it 430 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:36,510 something like you there's an API pain that where you will 431 00:27:37,620 --> 00:27:41,640 wear that podcast app says, okay, trigger the trigger a 432 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:47,670 payout, a permanent payout for this feed ID. And then the the 433 00:27:47,670 --> 00:27:53,100 lightning wallet provider has linkage to the podcast index, 434 00:27:53,580 --> 00:27:56,970 which will say okay, that feed ID represents these addresses 435 00:27:57,090 --> 00:28:00,840 running it does the payout, right, because what you don't 436 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:06,210 want? Okay, well, let me step back. Because what you further 437 00:28:06,210 --> 00:28:10,410 from the podcast apps developed the app developer side. This 438 00:28:10,410 --> 00:28:12,570 makes it where they don't have to bake any lightning stuff in 439 00:28:12,690 --> 00:28:14,220 right? sake. 440 00:28:14,699 --> 00:28:17,699 It's just it's a it's a two day's worth of work. 441 00:28:19,980 --> 00:28:23,250 Yeah, yeah, pretty much. Yeah. It's just the the user interface 442 00:28:23,370 --> 00:28:26,310 will be harder than the natural implementation of the lightning 443 00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:31,170 stuff side. Right. So and then the reason it would not do 444 00:28:31,170 --> 00:28:41,010 DIRECT address sins from the app? And is because the podcast 445 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,850 index has all the addresses and everything in there. Because 446 00:28:44,850 --> 00:28:48,060 we're aggregating the actual fee, we have we have the the 447 00:28:48,060 --> 00:28:50,190 current split split information. 448 00:28:50,850 --> 00:28:54,720 Yeah, exactly. And we're doing some verification, like, we 449 00:28:54,720 --> 00:29:00,090 don't take value blocks from feeds that aren't HTTPS, right? 450 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,290 Things like that. Because so we're, we're, we're sort of 451 00:29:04,290 --> 00:29:08,880 like, what you want as a trusted source, so that you make sure 452 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:13,470 that an app is not going to go rogue, and just decide to drain 453 00:29:13,470 --> 00:29:17,760 your wallet to some God knows where, right. So really, the 454 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:23,040 only action the app can take is to tell the lightning wallet 455 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:29,550 provider to send a payment into this feed. And then at that 456 00:29:29,550 --> 00:29:35,010 point, that feed gets verified that that is legit, and that the 457 00:29:35,010 --> 00:29:39,060 address is match what we have and then it triggers it. I think 458 00:29:39,060 --> 00:29:40,590 that's the safest way to do it. I 459 00:29:40,590 --> 00:29:43,410 like how you know you thought about that. You've been thinking 460 00:29:43,410 --> 00:29:45,900 about that. That's good. I like it. Yeah, there 461 00:29:45,900 --> 00:29:48,930 was so we're talking about it last weekend, you know, when 462 00:29:48,930 --> 00:29:51,570 this came up, and there's something that was bugging me 463 00:29:51,570 --> 00:29:53,730 about it because I kept drawing it out on paper trying to figure 464 00:29:53,730 --> 00:29:56,400 out how the linkage was would work. And I think that's the 465 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,880 missing piece is that I think the thing that was bugging me is 466 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:03,510 this There's too much potential control on the app side to do 467 00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:08,190 what they want. Right? Which you really, you know, that's, that's 468 00:30:08,190 --> 00:30:09,030 sketchy. 469 00:30:09,660 --> 00:30:13,170 It can it can be Yeah, it can be I like this. I like how you 470 00:30:13,170 --> 00:30:17,370 separated this in from just from the user experience side, the 471 00:30:17,370 --> 00:30:22,020 way it will probably work is, you know, you you bring up a 472 00:30:22,020 --> 00:30:27,540 page or something. There would be a, there's a better way to do 473 00:30:27,540 --> 00:30:30,660 it on mobile, I think. But in general, you'd have this 474 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:35,400 lightning provider wallet, you scan a QR code, and immediately 475 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:40,500 you've verified and linked your lightning wallet to that app. 476 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,970 And then you could start using the the interface and we can 477 00:30:44,970 --> 00:30:46,440 also do boost then as well. 478 00:30:47,850 --> 00:30:48,780 Oh, that'd be great. Yeah. 479 00:30:49,139 --> 00:30:52,109 Yeah, super easy. Yeah, super easy. And we can send in the 480 00:30:52,109 --> 00:30:53,879 memo field, you send the timecode. 481 00:30:55,290 --> 00:31:00,480 Yeah, in that netlist, you have it. So for people who may not be 482 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,240 following all of this, but you understand the whole Sphinx 483 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,560 model, think about things in the way it's set up. So currently, 484 00:31:07,710 --> 00:31:11,700 if you have a Sphinx tribe, and you host a podcast, they're 485 00:31:11,700 --> 00:31:17,340 yours. Thanks, tribe. By default, your thinks node is the 486 00:31:17,340 --> 00:31:20,640 receive receiver of all the permitted sass that you stream, 487 00:31:20,700 --> 00:31:26,490 right. So this would make it where let's just say you have a 488 00:31:26,490 --> 00:31:29,520 Sphinx tribe. And you that's your node that's thinks that 489 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:34,020 thinks tribe is your thinks lightning node is your node, you 490 00:31:34,020 --> 00:31:37,530 don't have your own personal one, off, off off site 491 00:31:37,530 --> 00:31:43,260 somewhere, you could then just list your list your sinks node, 492 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,680 in your value block in your feed, right, and then these 493 00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:50,280 other apps that are out there that are straight, and that are 494 00:31:51,330 --> 00:31:53,760 going to become lightning enabled this other way that we 495 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,300 were talking about, they can they can see because the index 496 00:31:57,300 --> 00:32:00,960 lists that they can see that happen in in all those payments 497 00:32:01,050 --> 00:32:03,480 from these other apps will just continue to go back to your 498 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,780 things node. Because this makes node really is just a lightning 499 00:32:06,780 --> 00:32:11,160 node. And it can accept payments. So you're having you 500 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,220 can sort of keep your home based on things if you like that with 501 00:32:14,220 --> 00:32:17,160 your tribe and your chat and all that jazz. And that's that's 502 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,650 sort of the best the beauty of, of the lightning network is that 503 00:32:19,650 --> 00:32:23,040 you any, any node can can talk to each other, there's no 504 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:27,720 barriers. They're just siloing. So you could you could move your 505 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,120 note off site if you wanted to. But you could also just exempt 506 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,580 status. Thanks. You've already got maybe, you know, 100 507 00:32:32,580 --> 00:32:34,530 followers on your thanks, tribe. I mean, you don't want to ditch 508 00:32:34,530 --> 00:32:37,710 that and go to some other provider for your notes. So you 509 00:32:37,710 --> 00:32:39,780 just stay there and then redirect everything that yours. 510 00:32:39,780 --> 00:32:43,620 Thanks, note, and this other app now is streaming back to that 511 00:32:43,620 --> 00:32:48,840 too. And that also may, if you had if this is this Thanks, guys 512 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:54,450 would do integration with chat. Maybe they maybe somehow that 513 00:32:54,450 --> 00:32:55,650 could link back in 514 00:32:56,820 --> 00:32:58,230 bridge, a bridge? 515 00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:59,970 Yeah, like an IRC bridge 516 00:33:00,030 --> 00:33:06,030 with the with the relay with a relay software. Yeah. I love 517 00:33:06,030 --> 00:33:10,410 this. And you know, we have we have such a forward motion we 518 00:33:10,410 --> 00:33:13,650 got we got momentum on this. And I love seeing, you know, people 519 00:33:13,650 --> 00:33:17,190 collaborating and thinking about it. So you know, here we go. 520 00:33:18,450 --> 00:33:21,780 There's a lot of work left to be done. And and we can do whatever 521 00:33:21,780 --> 00:33:24,360 the hell we want. We can turn left or right whenever we want. 522 00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:31,500 Yeah, it's fun. It's it's fun it. I wonder if they would if 523 00:33:31,500 --> 00:33:34,620 they could do that, because he thinks could easily integrate 524 00:33:34,620 --> 00:33:37,950 with our senior. I don't mean to say easily. I don't mean that 525 00:33:37,950 --> 00:33:38,310 unless 526 00:33:39,450 --> 00:33:41,520 you had your developer hat on. Yeah, I heard you 527 00:33:41,550 --> 00:33:47,310 write. You know, a bit a bit. That'd be a fun project for 528 00:33:47,310 --> 00:33:51,030 somebody. Definitely write a write some sort of bridge over 529 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,290 over there to that. Mm hmm. And then then you're then you're 530 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,680 basically you have a window into into, into your things? Well, I 531 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,410 mean, I know there's encryption and all that good stuff. I'm 532 00:34:01,410 --> 00:34:01,950 just dreaming. 533 00:34:02,070 --> 00:34:08,040 Well, to bring it all around to is independent, podcasting. 534 00:34:08,580 --> 00:34:09,240 peaking? 535 00:34:09,989 --> 00:34:11,669 No, we were talking about stats where we 536 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,540 Yeah, well. So a, we're just getting started on it just 537 00:34:15,540 --> 00:34:19,320 getting started. So I don't think so at all. And the only 538 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:23,430 thing we've been missing is great app experiences and value 539 00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:27,060 flow. So we're solving these issues. And once we have this if 540 00:34:27,060 --> 00:34:33,120 we can we get one of these wallet providers integrated. It 541 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,670 can scale pretty quick. And then it's just a matter of saying, 542 00:34:35,670 --> 00:34:40,530 Oh, hey, do this. You know, the swing swing stuff is fantastic 543 00:34:40,530 --> 00:34:45,510 for that. I see that as a lot of future in there. I'm very 544 00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:48,780 enamored with running stuff over the blockchain and no secret 545 00:34:48,780 --> 00:34:52,470 there. Yeah. But we can scale up and get people going really 546 00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:56,580 quick. And yeah, if there were an IRC bridge from the Sphinx 547 00:34:56,580 --> 00:34:59,490 chat, oh my goodness but 548 00:35:01,559 --> 00:35:04,559 I was messaging you about the sad stat stuff the other day. 549 00:35:04,559 --> 00:35:07,709 And you said, your spouse was like, he can't spell stats 550 00:35:07,709 --> 00:35:08,579 without SATs. 551 00:35:08,610 --> 00:35:11,850 Yeah, exactly. Well, and that that's the other thing is if we 552 00:35:11,850 --> 00:35:17,460 just come around to the, to the stats talk. What a great 553 00:35:17,460 --> 00:35:23,100 anonymous. Well, it's kind of an attribution tracking system. But 554 00:35:23,100 --> 00:35:26,940 it's completely anonymous, which for real, completely anonymous. 555 00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:31,650 Yeah, but caveats for, obviously, because there's all 556 00:35:31,650 --> 00:35:34,770 kinds of ways to track people doing all kinds of stuff. But in 557 00:35:34,770 --> 00:35:38,790 general, and having an actual listen time, and having an 558 00:35:38,820 --> 00:35:43,410 individualized by each listener is incredibly valuable. 559 00:35:44,610 --> 00:35:51,870 No, yeah. No. 100%. And that's, you know, it's probably easier 560 00:35:51,870 --> 00:35:57,480 with the API method from an app. And it is Oh, yeah, even with 561 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,050 things because then you have, you know, then the apps, how 562 00:36:01,050 --> 00:36:02,850 about this thing? Wait about? Yeah, 563 00:36:02,849 --> 00:36:06,359 the app could provide stats to the to the feed owner. 564 00:36:07,590 --> 00:36:11,430 Okay, well, that's a good way to get. That's, that's a good segue 565 00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:14,820 into into this idea. 566 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:15,690 Okay, good. 567 00:36:17,130 --> 00:36:23,070 I'm actually I brought the ABS sheet here. 568 00:36:24,539 --> 00:36:27,659 By the way, for those of you who've been following our sexy 569 00:36:27,659 --> 00:36:31,889 namespace talk and talk of Bitcoin ever since we started 570 00:36:31,889 --> 00:36:38,879 this, Bitcoin is now effectively doubled. Yeah, it surged 23,000. 571 00:36:38,909 --> 00:36:41,429 I mean, it's it's no coincidence that this is because of 572 00:36:41,429 --> 00:36:45,539 podcasting. It is. out there, just putting it out there. 573 00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:55,140 Yeah, I need a GIF of us on top of a Bitcoin. Precisely. So this 574 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,730 is I'm looking at the ib 2.1. spec, like I said, or like I 575 00:36:59,730 --> 00:37:05,970 began to say earlier, I'm not, this has nothing to do. I'm not 576 00:37:05,970 --> 00:37:09,030 criticizing it at all. And we got just not. That's not the 577 00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:14,340 goal here. But the definite it says, I just kind of some stuff 578 00:37:14,340 --> 00:37:19,680 stood out to me. This is a podcast advertisers, this gives 579 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,310 me a podcast offer advertisers, a hyper focused audience that 580 00:37:23,310 --> 00:37:26,460 chooses to listen to the content podcast listeners, have been 581 00:37:26,460 --> 00:37:29,490 shown to be the most loyal and engaged audience of any digital 582 00:37:29,490 --> 00:37:31,470 medium. That's 100%. Right. 583 00:37:31,500 --> 00:37:32,490 I believe that's true. 584 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:41,310 Yeah. And so the the IB spec, and this is 2.1 that I'm looking 585 00:37:41,310 --> 00:37:47,220 at, says this document offers a set of metrics that establish a 586 00:37:47,220 --> 00:37:53,250 mutual understanding in podcast advertising negotiations. To see 587 00:37:53,310 --> 00:37:58,770 and for the foreseeable future, log based log based measurement 588 00:37:58,770 --> 00:38:01,740 is the only way to achieve comprehensive measurement of all 589 00:38:01,740 --> 00:38:06,210 podcast usage. So that's, that's the way this that's the way this 590 00:38:06,210 --> 00:38:10,890 stuff works. This is all these podcasts, stats, download 591 00:38:10,890 --> 00:38:13,470 metrics, and those kind of things are all done based on 592 00:38:13,710 --> 00:38:14,850 basically grip and the locks. 593 00:38:16,409 --> 00:38:20,999 Very little has changed in 25 years. We're still grepping, the 594 00:38:20,999 --> 00:38:22,019 logs everybody. 595 00:38:22,140 --> 00:38:27,300 It's just the regex is are different. Yeah. It's it. It 596 00:38:27,300 --> 00:38:32,760 says, currently, less than 3% of the market share enables client 597 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,610 side tracking, as it exists in other forms in digital 598 00:38:35,610 --> 00:38:41,430 advertising. So you essentially have less than 3% of the podcast 599 00:38:41,670 --> 00:38:46,050 application of the podcast apps. Have any sort of client side 600 00:38:46,050 --> 00:38:49,410 tracking exposed back to advertisers? Sure. Essentially, 601 00:38:49,410 --> 00:38:50,040 zero. Yeah, 602 00:38:50,039 --> 00:38:53,849 I mean, Apple App, Apple's the only one that I know that that 603 00:38:53,849 --> 00:38:54,749 does any of that. 604 00:38:56,579 --> 00:39:02,189 Yeah. So you have, see, what you have is a is a is a system where 605 00:39:04,110 --> 00:39:07,560 very, there's hardly any stats to be given back from the player 606 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:13,230 side. And then, so what you're left with is trying to grip 607 00:39:13,770 --> 00:39:19,830 stats out of the logs. And this gives you a situation where 608 00:39:21,660 --> 00:39:28,560 people gamify it, like crazy. So you if you go from if you move 609 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,530 your pie, and these are some some of this, I'm not going to 610 00:39:31,530 --> 00:39:35,490 talk about who I talked to this past couple weeks. But if you 611 00:39:35,490 --> 00:39:41,310 move from host to host, let's say you're you started out at 612 00:39:41,340 --> 00:39:45,000 Lipson and then you moved your podcast, you lose all that 613 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,670 debate and then you moved it to blueberry. Well, you not only 614 00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:51,510 lose your stats, this you don't just lose them. They're 615 00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:52,560 completely different. 616 00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:56,310 Oh, yeah. So presentation everything. Yeah, of course. 617 00:39:56,789 --> 00:40:02,009 The numbers, the numbers say okay, Let's say that you took, 618 00:40:02,639 --> 00:40:09,569 you know, for a fact that you moved 99 99% of your audience 619 00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:15,419 from, from your home from your feed at a cast over to your feed 620 00:40:15,419 --> 00:40:19,649 at at Lipson. When you made the move, you know that your 621 00:40:19,649 --> 00:40:24,749 audience followed you. But for some reason, your stats show 622 00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:28,919 completely different numbers now than they did on the previous on 623 00:40:28,919 --> 00:40:32,669 the previous host. is because they track numbers differently 624 00:40:32,699 --> 00:40:37,199 even between IB compliant hosts. The stats don't come across 625 00:40:37,199 --> 00:40:39,239 right all the time. They don't come across matching. 626 00:40:40,260 --> 00:40:42,390 That doesn't surprise me obviously. 627 00:40:44,099 --> 00:40:50,789 Yeah. And so. And the reason is because everybody treats things 628 00:40:50,819 --> 00:40:57,749 slightly different. So, for instance, there are some bots 629 00:40:57,749 --> 00:41:01,859 out there that download a lot of mp3. Do you know this because 630 00:41:01,859 --> 00:41:05,369 the show notes gets hammered all the time. So there's bots out 631 00:41:05,369 --> 00:41:08,099 there that are constantly downloading this stuff? Well, if 632 00:41:08,099 --> 00:41:11,669 a bot happens to parse your feed and downloads it in the user 633 00:41:11,669 --> 00:41:16,229 agent string is something like FFmpeg or some Yeah, some mod. 634 00:41:16,289 --> 00:41:23,609 Right. You, you could there's hosts that do count that as a as 635 00:41:23,609 --> 00:41:25,169 a an eye Bay compliant download. 636 00:41:25,170 --> 00:41:27,810 Wow. Okay, I can see the discrepancies and where they 637 00:41:27,810 --> 00:41:28,380 come from. 638 00:41:28,860 --> 00:41:32,370 Yeah. And so then there's other hosts that say, That's not 639 00:41:32,370 --> 00:41:34,380 legitimate traffic. So we're going to exclude that from the 640 00:41:34,380 --> 00:41:38,190 stats. So then, so each host is making their own decisions about 641 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:44,850 within the confines of the AI based ads, rules. There's lots 642 00:41:44,850 --> 00:41:49,080 of leeway to make those decisions. And then to separate 643 00:41:49,110 --> 00:41:51,780 what is an apple podcast download? What is apple core 644 00:41:51,780 --> 00:41:53,670 media? What's an Android download all these kinds of 645 00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:59,100 things, right? So um, and here's another way, it was explained to 646 00:41:59,100 --> 00:42:05,400 me, let's just say that you have an office building with view and 647 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:10,290 five of your buddies all sitting in a cave together. And you all 648 00:42:10,290 --> 00:42:12,690 listen to the same, same one 649 00:42:12,690 --> 00:42:17,220 one na t address? Exactly. You're gonna guess always been 650 00:42:17,220 --> 00:42:17,820 the problem? 651 00:42:18,450 --> 00:42:25,230 Yeah. So how do you differentiate this? And the I 652 00:42:25,260 --> 00:42:35,400 this the idea? We came up that the fix for this, and I think 653 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:41,910 it's brilliant. is for podcast downloads for podcast apps, to 654 00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:45,330 put an extra query parameter on the end of the URL when they 655 00:42:45,330 --> 00:42:52,920 download the file. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay, we're doing 656 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,910 something similar with with appending. A, because we had, 657 00:42:56,940 --> 00:43:00,270 there's a similar problem with web apps. So like, pod friend, 658 00:43:00,930 --> 00:43:04,800 when pod friend or pod verse shows up in a download stats and 659 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:09,690 a log for a podcast, they show up as like Firefox or 660 00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:11,910 Chrome, right? Mm hmm. 661 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:18,059 So what what we've had to do is put in an extra query parameter 662 00:43:18,059 --> 00:43:22,859 on the end of the download, it says, it's like underscore from 663 00:43:22,889 --> 00:43:26,819 equal pod friend got it that that way, it shows up in the 664 00:43:26,819 --> 00:43:31,379 logs that this is not Chrome, this is actually a web app. This 665 00:43:31,379 --> 00:43:33,809 is something similar, but it works a little bit different. 666 00:43:34,499 --> 00:43:36,749 What you would put on the end of the query, as you'd put an 667 00:43:36,749 --> 00:43:39,749 additional query parameter on the end of the download, that 668 00:43:39,749 --> 00:43:44,609 would be something like underscore, Gu ID God equals 669 00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:50,609 such and such. And I've, I've already implemented this on the 670 00:43:51,209 --> 00:43:55,529 podcast index website, website, player. So if you go to the 671 00:43:55,529 --> 00:43:59,819 podcast index, play website and click on any and just search for 672 00:43:59,819 --> 00:44:04,079 podcasts and click play it, it is already doing this. It is 673 00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:09,089 attaching the underscore gu ID to the end of the download URL. 674 00:44:09,899 --> 00:44:13,769 So like James Cridland, if you go check your logs right now, 675 00:44:13,919 --> 00:44:17,969 for pod news or pod land, you should be able to find some 676 00:44:17,969 --> 00:44:21,929 downloads in your logs with the underscore gu ID parameter on 677 00:44:21,929 --> 00:44:26,399 the end of it. Right, and the underscore get parameter is made 678 00:44:26,399 --> 00:44:32,969 this way. When some when a when an app wants to play or download 679 00:44:33,119 --> 00:44:38,699 a file. You just create a random gu ID. It doesn't matter. It 680 00:44:38,699 --> 00:44:40,829 doesn't have to be based on anything. It doesn't have to be 681 00:44:40,829 --> 00:44:46,469 the hash of anything. Just create a sufficiently random RFC 682 00:44:46,469 --> 00:44:56,309 compliant gu ID string. Then you pin it to that download. He pin 683 00:44:56,309 --> 00:44:57,239 it to that URL. 684 00:44:57,420 --> 00:44:58,590 I see so 685 00:44:59,219 --> 00:45:05,549 every time That app plays that your plays that URL or downloads 686 00:45:05,549 --> 00:45:10,859 that URL. It always has the same gu ID attached to it. That tells 687 00:45:10,859 --> 00:45:17,849 you that tells you exactly how many times each person, each 688 00:45:17,849 --> 00:45:23,249 specific person downloaded or played that that episode. But 689 00:45:23,249 --> 00:45:28,109 without ever, ever compromising any sort of privacy because the 690 00:45:28,109 --> 00:45:30,059 value is completely random and made up. 691 00:45:30,149 --> 00:45:31,319 Yeah. And it goes away. 692 00:45:32,190 --> 00:45:35,520 Yeah. So I, for instance, so 693 00:45:35,969 --> 00:45:39,989 let me ask you a question. Because if I come back, and I 694 00:45:39,989 --> 00:45:46,469 play that podcast again, does it maintain my that, that, that ID 695 00:45:46,469 --> 00:45:49,619 that that we're sending? was to create a new one for a new 696 00:45:49,619 --> 00:45:50,189 session? 697 00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:53,130 No, it creates the same one every time. 698 00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,710 Okay, no matter what podcasts you as long as you 699 00:45:57,599 --> 00:46:03,869 know, that note note, this is per, per, per, per enclosure? 700 00:46:04,019 --> 00:46:06,389 Ah, perfect. Okay. Yeah, that's great. 701 00:46:07,230 --> 00:46:13,410 Yeah, so if my if every time I play Episode 14 of podcasting, 702 00:46:13,410 --> 00:46:19,320 2.0. Me Dave Jones, every time I play that from pod friend, it's 703 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:27,240 gonna send the exact same good to, to our, to our CDN, to get 704 00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:30,240 that thing. So if you play the same episode, it's gonna be a 705 00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:33,900 completely different good. And when you when you start playing 706 00:46:33,900 --> 00:46:37,620 Episode 15, you'll get a new good, yeah, it'll always be the 707 00:46:37,620 --> 00:46:39,060 same for that episode, too. 708 00:46:39,300 --> 00:46:43,050 So so what you need now is you just need all apps to adhere to 709 00:46:43,050 --> 00:46:43,440 that. 710 00:46:44,430 --> 00:46:48,150 Yes, you need all the apps to begin to epin to do that 711 00:46:48,150 --> 00:46:53,340 technique and append that string. And then instantly, you 712 00:46:53,340 --> 00:47:01,560 have perfect stats. And there's nice No, it. So here, and here's 713 00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,480 the way that it's implemented for the developers, if you want 714 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:08,070 to kind of help me jumpstart the things through on this is that, 715 00:47:08,490 --> 00:47:13,770 so what we're doing is, I've made it where, when you when you 716 00:47:13,770 --> 00:47:17,730 begin, when you hit the play button on the download on, on 717 00:47:17,730 --> 00:47:20,430 the website, we hit the play button on an episode on the 718 00:47:20,430 --> 00:47:25,800 website, it will create a random gu ID and then save it in 719 00:47:25,830 --> 00:47:33,210 browser local storage. With, with the key being a hash of the 720 00:47:33,210 --> 00:47:37,260 URL, that's being that's being played just the enclosure URL, 721 00:47:37,410 --> 00:47:39,840 just to make this hashing it just to make sure that no funky 722 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,200 characters get in there. Because Rocky, right, he take is going 723 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:47,730 to make a hat makes a Sha 256 hash, saves that into browser 724 00:47:47,730 --> 00:47:52,200 local storage. and the value is that good. So every time you 725 00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:56,880 play an episode, it checks first in local storage to see if that 726 00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,640 value exists. If it does, it just grabs it out of local 727 00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,120 storage and sticks it on the end, if it if no value exists, 728 00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:05,970 it creates a new wind it sticks it on the end and saves that one 729 00:48:05,970 --> 00:48:07,080 in local storage for the future. 730 00:48:07,109 --> 00:48:08,519 Oh, nice. 731 00:48:08,610 --> 00:48:11,400 I like it. So that's how this works. And the only the only 732 00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,130 time that would ever get screwed up is if somebody clears their 733 00:48:14,130 --> 00:48:19,260 local storage, which is not, which is not frequent enough to 734 00:48:19,260 --> 00:48:24,420 really put that big of a margin of error on it. Right? That 735 00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:33,900 this, this is to me. In in as we go forward out, I would like to 736 00:48:33,900 --> 00:48:36,420 push this as we go forward. 737 00:48:38,460 --> 00:48:42,900 The person who outlined this technique to me he's gonna write 738 00:48:42,900 --> 00:48:44,490 a white paper about it and that kind of thing. 739 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,430 And so it'll it'll become a fleshed out more. This technique 740 00:48:50,430 --> 00:48:56,670 to me. I think it solves stats. 100% is completely anonymous. 741 00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:02,130 It's not it to me, it's it's, it is the proper fix. 742 00:49:03,420 --> 00:49:06,480 Why has no one come up with this before? It seems simple, 743 00:49:06,510 --> 00:49:09,360 elegant, easily easy to implement? 744 00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,800 I don't know. That's a good question. And 745 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,820 will I be look at this and say, Hey, finally we got something 746 00:49:17,820 --> 00:49:18,720 good or? 747 00:49:19,709 --> 00:49:20,129 Oh, 748 00:49:20,190 --> 00:49:21,510 well, we'll find out I guess. 749 00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:26,610 Yeah, I hope they will. I mean, because to me this this belongs 750 00:49:26,670 --> 00:49:29,850 sort of in the world of the open podcast, analytics Working 751 00:49:29,850 --> 00:49:35,130 Group. Yeah. I feel like those guys would read would be the 752 00:49:35,130 --> 00:49:40,680 proper place for this stuff to land. So the only the question 753 00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:46,950 the the natural question that comes up to me is it's not a 754 00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:52,350 question. They see how to express this. What I think is 755 00:49:52,350 --> 00:49:57,420 probably obvious to most people, hopefully it is. It there are 756 00:49:57,450 --> 00:50:02,730 there are plenty of podcasters out there. They're don't want 757 00:50:02,730 --> 00:50:09,930 accurate stats, right? Because their own the beneficial side of 758 00:50:09,930 --> 00:50:12,330 bad stats. Yeah, 759 00:50:12,329 --> 00:50:16,469 this is you're nailing it with this. Yeah, not everybody wants 760 00:50:16,469 --> 00:50:18,659 to actually have the real numbers. It may be 761 00:50:18,659 --> 00:50:20,819 disappointing. Yes. 762 00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,850 Yeah. And this is this, 763 00:50:23,849 --> 00:50:28,019 by the way is always the issue. This is why all these systems 764 00:50:28,019 --> 00:50:33,419 exist and why they're closed loop and closely guarded and 765 00:50:33,419 --> 00:50:37,019 protected because no one wants to know the actual numbers. 766 00:50:37,679 --> 00:50:43,499 No, no. Okay. Play does play the mama Knows Best thing. But in 767 00:50:43,500 --> 00:50:46,770 this episode, we're talking about adjusting to fame. We'll 768 00:50:46,770 --> 00:50:49,830 discuss when it all started, how we've dealt with it as a family 769 00:50:49,830 --> 00:50:52,350 and some of the pitfalls that have come along the way. Let's 770 00:50:52,350 --> 00:50:52,860 get into it. 771 00:50:53,940 --> 00:50:57,420 Before this episode, a quick question, how do you spend an 772 00:50:57,450 --> 00:51:01,440 urn at the same time with Chase freedom unlimited 3% of 773 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,730 drugstores and 3% on dining including takeout and eligible 774 00:51:05,730 --> 00:51:07,920 delivery services? Plus 5%. 775 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:09,960 Does it just keep going with the Add? 776 00:51:10,590 --> 00:51:12,960 Yeah, keep keep gravel purchase through Chase. 777 00:51:13,019 --> 00:51:17,009 Chase. Make more of what's yours. Learn more at chase calm 778 00:51:17,009 --> 00:51:18,479 slash mama knows best. 779 00:51:19,889 --> 00:51:23,519 Okay, wow, the interesting. This is my favorite. This is my new 780 00:51:23,519 --> 00:51:27,899 favorite pot. My new favorite not a podcast on Spotify. Yes. 781 00:51:28,679 --> 00:51:35,969 Yeah. So number one, because it's it's so bad. You know, but, 782 00:51:36,269 --> 00:51:42,089 but I like hearing the ad. So they had an ad for Chase Bank. 783 00:51:42,119 --> 00:51:46,859 Yeah. And followed by Folgers followed by McDonald's at 784 00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:48,180 three in a row. 785 00:51:48,869 --> 00:51:54,359 Yeah. So as the as the resident podcast advertising expert. 786 00:51:55,649 --> 00:51:59,849 Well, what does that say? Who is your audience when you have an 787 00:51:59,849 --> 00:52:03,269 ad when you have three ads when you have Chase Bank, Folgers and 788 00:52:03,269 --> 00:52:06,089 McDonald's? Who exactly is your audience? 789 00:52:07,980 --> 00:52:14,040 She's Folgers? Yeah, well, these are? That's a good question. 790 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,780 Clearly, they have some data on you, Dave, since you're the one 791 00:52:18,780 --> 00:52:23,220 that got it. You obviously eat McDonald's you drink Folgers 792 00:52:23,220 --> 00:52:25,110 coffee and you use Chase Bank 793 00:52:25,949 --> 00:52:29,969 as three the the only one of those three I've ever done is 794 00:52:29,969 --> 00:52:38,489 McDonald's. So like this is a podcast about chicks promise 795 00:52:38,489 --> 00:52:44,909 this doesn't just apply cast. About a tick tock superstar like 796 00:52:44,909 --> 00:52:48,149 this this 19 year old girl who's the like number two around take 797 00:52:48,149 --> 00:52:55,799 time? Why is there a Folgers add in there? I don't get it. 798 00:52:56,939 --> 00:52:57,689 Somebody 799 00:52:57,780 --> 00:53:01,530 that could be that they're just filling up the inventory that 800 00:53:01,530 --> 00:53:05,340 they promised to put out there. This is what I had. This is just 801 00:53:05,550 --> 00:53:06,510 randomness. 802 00:53:06,599 --> 00:53:09,479 Yeah, well, just the same thing with political ads. During this 803 00:53:09,479 --> 00:53:12,329 last cycle. The kids were getting a five year old kids 804 00:53:12,329 --> 00:53:18,509 were getting Joe Biden commercials for their little, 805 00:53:18,509 --> 00:53:24,959 uh, you know, Sesame Street or something. The the trickery 806 00:53:24,959 --> 00:53:28,079 works on all ends. I mean, I've been in that business long 807 00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:31,169 enough to know if we can shove some stuff into someone else. 808 00:53:31,169 --> 00:53:34,289 And it won't really get noticed as not being the demographic to 809 00:53:34,289 --> 00:53:34,859 do it. 810 00:53:35,849 --> 00:53:44,429 So here's my pitch. The obviously there is I'm canceling 811 00:53:44,459 --> 00:53:48,029 obviously, because it's not it's not that obvious. It's not that 812 00:53:48,029 --> 00:53:55,949 obvious. Here. My pitch is if the open podcast ecosystem has 813 00:53:56,699 --> 00:54:04,109 accurate stats, it may hurt initially. It may suck for some 814 00:54:04,109 --> 00:54:08,879 podcasts where all of a sudden they're reporting, you know, 10 815 00:54:08,879 --> 00:54:12,269 million downloads, and now they've, they've actually got to 816 00:54:12,269 --> 00:54:15,569 fess up and report two and a half million. Mm hmm. I don't 817 00:54:15,569 --> 00:54:23,369 know. It may hurt. But the alternative for advertisers is 818 00:54:23,369 --> 00:54:27,629 that advertisers are in a closed system with with somebody like 819 00:54:27,629 --> 00:54:33,569 Spotify, where there's potential skullduggery going on and what 820 00:54:34,289 --> 00:54:38,489 you don't exactly know what you're you don't exactly know 821 00:54:38,489 --> 00:54:41,819 what you're getting. I mean, like can you trust those 822 00:54:41,819 --> 00:54:42,629 numbers? 823 00:54:42,750 --> 00:54:46,290 I'm shocked Yeah, 824 00:54:47,849 --> 00:54:51,029 like so I guess what I'm trying to say in a roundabout ways that 825 00:54:51,299 --> 00:54:54,179 this could be a way with accurate stats. I know people 826 00:54:54,179 --> 00:54:57,149 are making a lot of money. Some people are making a lot of money 827 00:54:57,149 --> 00:55:01,019 on bogus stats probably. But with actual Curious stats, it 828 00:55:01,019 --> 00:55:04,799 can make the podcast, the open podcast ecosystem more 829 00:55:04,799 --> 00:55:06,869 attractive to advertisers because they feel like they're 830 00:55:06,869 --> 00:55:09,449 getting a better, they feel like they're getting a better deal 831 00:55:09,570 --> 00:55:13,170 or even direct relationships podcasters have with sponsors 832 00:55:13,170 --> 00:55:16,680 for live host reads, which I think is still a lot of the 833 00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:24,450 power of a podcast is how you can promote a product. And you 834 00:55:24,450 --> 00:55:28,350 can do it quite transparently. But to be able to say, Okay, 835 00:55:28,350 --> 00:55:31,110 here's how many people are actually listening to that 836 00:55:31,110 --> 00:55:34,770 segment, that part of it. Not fast forwarding, this has always 837 00:55:34,770 --> 00:55:39,360 been a big issue. I think it's a great idea. We should we should 838 00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:43,470 push this, we need to give it a name. Give it a name and push it 839 00:55:43,470 --> 00:55:46,080 and it's open. I put their link in the show notes. Is it the 840 00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:49,740 open podcast? analytics working group? Yeah, they're 841 00:55:50,010 --> 00:55:52,470 that dia James. And about and a bunch of the hosts are involved. 842 00:55:52,500 --> 00:55:54,930 I smell James all over this. 843 00:55:55,469 --> 00:55:55,979 Yeah. 844 00:55:57,179 --> 00:55:57,839 I'd like it. 845 00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:03,780 Another thing that in the end, I mean, as the index i think we 846 00:56:04,260 --> 00:56:08,430 because yes, we are committed to a feature. Without we are 847 00:56:08,430 --> 00:56:10,770 committed to the value for value model a feature without 848 00:56:10,770 --> 00:56:16,080 advertising. We want because we we, we definitely see that as a 849 00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,840 feature. We see advertising is censorship, all of that, you 850 00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:23,160 know that. But also, I mean, I think there's a realization and 851 00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,560 there's a bridge that has to happen between how do I get 852 00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:30,000 from, from where I'm at now to there, and you can't necessarily 853 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,160 just cut it off. And so people are, there's gonna be a 854 00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:36,090 coexistence that needs to happen in the podcast industry is 855 00:56:36,090 --> 00:56:42,570 better if the stats aren't a bunch of shenanigans. And, you 856 00:56:42,570 --> 00:56:45,960 know, like at the end of that, that mama knows best thing that 857 00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,950 was playing. So here's, again, here's Spotify, who's supposed 858 00:56:49,950 --> 00:56:54,060 to have, you know, surgical precision, advertising and 859 00:56:54,060 --> 00:56:57,900 light, and they're supposed to have all the stats. Yeah. 860 00:56:58,650 --> 00:57:01,350 Well, now now remember that, that what they're doing is 861 00:57:01,350 --> 00:57:04,800 they're linking their user profiles to the stats. So yeah, 862 00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,680 so yeah, and they know a lot about a user's musical 863 00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,860 preference, which they claim tells them a lot about a person, 864 00:57:10,860 --> 00:57:14,790 which I believe, I don't know how they break it down. But 865 00:57:14,940 --> 00:57:18,510 yeah, so you know, they they have all kinds of cross 866 00:57:18,510 --> 00:57:21,990 references to know what's going in there. I've never liked that. 867 00:57:21,990 --> 00:57:24,390 I've never liked programmatic ads for this very reason. 868 00:57:26,340 --> 00:57:29,400 Most of my question is, why did they have to throw at the end? 869 00:57:29,580 --> 00:57:33,060 On the Chase Bank commercial? What did they have to throw at 870 00:57:33,060 --> 00:57:37,890 the very end of that? Find out more at Chase Bank, blah, blah, 871 00:57:37,890 --> 00:57:40,950 blah, slash mama knows best. What do they have to get the 872 00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:46,380 follow up confirmation there? Do they not trust this? Oh, that's 873 00:57:46,380 --> 00:57:49,470 a good point. Yeah, it's a good point. You're saying that? Well, 874 00:57:50,460 --> 00:57:54,090 I guess that's for conversion? I mean, you can you get the stats, 875 00:57:54,090 --> 00:57:58,380 but the conversion to an actual someone going to a service? 876 00:57:59,489 --> 00:58:03,839 Which is there separate deal there that the conversions pay 877 00:58:03,839 --> 00:58:04,139 more? 878 00:58:04,590 --> 00:58:08,310 Yes. If so if someone hears the ad, that's one thing. If they 879 00:58:08,310 --> 00:58:11,280 convert, and they go there, and they identify, they heard it on 880 00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:16,320 slash radio or slash tv or slash mama knows best? Yeah, that's 881 00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:20,160 the conversion fee. And that's, that's better. And we're clear 882 00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:32,190 reasons. Well, yeah, I like, I like this idea a lot. Okay. And 883 00:58:32,190 --> 00:58:34,350 I wouldn't mind having it just for myself. But this doesn't 884 00:58:34,350 --> 00:58:37,170 have to be an advertising play. I just like to know for myself 885 00:58:37,170 --> 00:58:40,260 who's listening where I mean, I've seen stats on Apple, I 886 00:58:40,260 --> 00:58:42,930 enjoyed looking at those. But let's blanket it. Let's get 887 00:58:42,930 --> 00:58:45,720 everybody to implement this. This is This seems relatively 888 00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,840 easy, something we can all do. And we'll push it really hard. 889 00:58:48,990 --> 00:58:52,230 And if he doesn't like it, then we'll start our own alternative 890 00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:53,700 advertising agency. 891 00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,960 Yeah, the PA baby united podcast. 892 00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:08,880 podcasters. United pee the poo. poo. And and as an addition, if, 893 00:59:08,940 --> 00:59:12,780 if app developers would consider looking at some of these 894 00:59:12,780 --> 00:59:17,970 community chapters, this is the main reason I use pod friend is 895 00:59:17,970 --> 00:59:20,910 that's a whole additional piece of content. If you say hey, 896 00:59:20,910 --> 00:59:25,860 visit, visit the website, Chase bank.com. Slash mama knows best. 897 00:59:25,950 --> 00:59:28,950 That would pop right up in a chapter window with a URL link. 898 00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:31,440 Click it right there. Click it, tap it, whatever you want to do. 899 00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:32,850 Yeah, these 900 00:59:32,850 --> 00:59:34,170 these conversion, these 901 00:59:34,169 --> 00:59:34,859 things work. 902 00:59:34,890 --> 00:59:39,150 I mean, it really works. that converts right in your face, 903 00:59:39,150 --> 00:59:42,510 man. It's like boom, and you can't get any easier than ever 904 00:59:42,510 --> 00:59:45,420 convert than that. I mean, is it because it's right there on the 905 00:59:45,420 --> 00:59:45,990 screen. 906 00:59:46,769 --> 00:59:54,119 Interestingly, the podcast app can also start to create his own 907 00:59:54,119 --> 00:59:57,509 statistics for things like conversion 908 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,020 Yeah, true. Because it's because it knows because it's right 909 01:00:04,050 --> 01:00:10,920 knows it knows the conversion. Yeah. It knows. You got some guy 910 01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:12,360 in Denmark, who knows? 911 01:00:13,980 --> 01:00:17,820 There's either like there's a lot of there's, there's, I think 912 01:00:17,820 --> 01:00:20,790 that the market, that piece of the market that overcast and 913 01:00:20,790 --> 01:00:28,560 podcast addict has carved out for themselves are based on a 914 01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:32,580 few things, and one of which is privacy. And they're very 915 01:00:32,580 --> 01:00:35,970 privacy focused. And that's, that's good. I mean, that's 916 01:00:35,970 --> 01:00:39,270 fantastic. Yes, that's absolutely a good thing. And for 917 01:00:39,270 --> 01:00:44,010 that reason, they have resisted the constant calls for them to 918 01:00:44,010 --> 01:00:48,810 open up their their stats. So this would be a way for those 919 01:00:48,810 --> 01:00:52,410 guys not to open up their stats, but still give meaningful 920 01:00:52,980 --> 01:00:57,900 intelligence to other podcasters. They don't have to 921 01:00:57,900 --> 01:01:01,740 open up anything at all. They just tack that string on the 922 01:01:01,740 --> 01:01:07,140 end. It's completely anonymized. And that shares in this system 923 01:01:07,140 --> 01:01:10,620 so that other podcasts so that their fellow podcasters can 924 01:01:10,620 --> 01:01:14,550 benefit from it. Yeah. But without without breaking their 925 01:01:14,550 --> 01:01:19,290 own, you know, without breaking their own private policy, you 926 01:01:19,290 --> 01:01:20,250 know, their own 927 01:01:20,639 --> 01:01:22,529 whatever you privacy. Privacy Policy. 928 01:01:22,740 --> 01:01:25,620 Yeah, without violating their integrity. Yeah, there you go. 929 01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:33,240 Yeah. It's I think it's in, you know, I've already done it. It 930 01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,690 took me seriously, like less than less than 30 minutes. Well, 931 01:01:36,690 --> 01:01:36,840 we're 932 01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:38,700 calling it anybody. Can we have a name? 933 01:01:38,729 --> 01:01:41,039 It's the open podcast statistics. We're calling it 934 01:01:41,069 --> 01:01:41,639 ops. 935 01:01:43,380 --> 01:01:46,320 Ops. I just made that up to do it. That's the parameter. Yes. 936 01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:46,680 Good. 937 01:01:46,710 --> 01:01:51,270 The ops good, which has been determined by the Pooh as 938 01:01:51,450 --> 01:01:52,740 podcasters united. 939 01:01:53,309 --> 01:01:55,169 Is that the show title ops do it by the 940 01:01:56,579 --> 01:02:00,119 I put fourth quarter in there dumb dumb enough. I come up with 941 01:02:00,119 --> 01:02:02,339 my titles beforehand for this show. trying something 942 01:02:02,339 --> 01:02:04,169 different. sad about it now? 943 01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:06,360 No, I like it. When you talk sports. It's great. 944 01:02:09,150 --> 01:02:11,820 Hey, let's think it was thanks some people unless yet 945 01:02:11,820 --> 01:02:13,530 to say the ad stuff makes me feel 946 01:02:13,590 --> 01:02:16,230 gross. Yeah, dirty. So now let's thank some people. This is a 947 01:02:16,230 --> 01:02:20,400 value for value podcast. The entire project podcast index has 948 01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:25,920 value for value. outfall, there will be enough for Dave and I 949 01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:29,430 and anyone to take a salary. Although it would be great as we 950 01:02:29,430 --> 01:02:32,490 move forward. In the meantime, we like keeping everything 951 01:02:32,490 --> 01:02:36,030 running. And the way it works is if you get any value out of this 952 01:02:36,030 --> 01:02:40,350 podcast, but out of what podcast index is doing, as we continue 953 01:02:40,350 --> 01:02:43,200 to preserve podcasting as a platform for free speech and 954 01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:47,250 retool it into a plat platform of value for all participants 955 01:02:47,250 --> 01:02:50,490 for the entire ecosystem. And I should say uninterruptable 956 01:02:50,490 --> 01:02:56,430 value, we need help, then we need help by you supporting the 957 01:02:56,430 --> 01:02:58,830 entire project. And you can do that by going to podcast 958 01:02:58,830 --> 01:03:02,250 index.org. Scroll down to the bottom there's a big red Donate 959 01:03:02,250 --> 01:03:08,160 button you can also donate to a lightning app. And well, we had 960 01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:10,110 a sad puppy on the last show. 961 01:03:11,010 --> 01:03:13,170 The sad Puppy was gold. I mean it was 962 01:03:14,369 --> 01:03:18,749 so yeah, in our when we were talking about only two donations 963 01:03:18,779 --> 01:03:24,209 that came in boom up on the on the chapter image is a sad puppy 964 01:03:24,269 --> 01:03:26,159 giving giving us that look like Oh 965 01:03:26,159 --> 01:03:32,489 no. Sad puppy send a trimmer through the forest. And yeah, 966 01:03:32,789 --> 01:03:35,999 there's like so many donations this week. It's been fantastic. 967 01:03:35,999 --> 01:03:36,599 Oh, cool. 968 01:03:36,779 --> 01:03:39,269 Oh, it works. Oh my goodness. Well, this is Yeah, that you 969 01:03:39,269 --> 01:03:41,759 just need to remind people it's what I always say. Just need to 970 01:03:41,759 --> 01:03:42,539 remind people. 971 01:03:43,469 --> 01:03:47,369 Okay, whenever look, people whenever donations go down. 972 01:03:47,909 --> 01:03:49,499 You're gonna get the guilty puppy. That's 973 01:03:50,159 --> 01:03:53,849 just gonna pop out. Yeah, now we need a little Tinker Bell who's 974 01:03:53,849 --> 01:03:56,549 happy and flying around. We have donations. 975 01:03:56,909 --> 01:04:01,859 Oh, yeah, we get a lot of some good ones too. So the first one 976 01:04:01,919 --> 01:04:06,989 is from RSS calm. And Benjamin Richardson. Oh, who 977 01:04:06,989 --> 01:04:10,769 helped us already with a with a pod news sponsorship, which was 978 01:04:10,769 --> 01:04:11,549 fantastic. 979 01:04:11,909 --> 01:04:18,239 Yet while he followed it up in a big way. $1,075 donation and 980 01:04:18,239 --> 01:04:25,019 Whoa, whoa. Holy moly. That that is that doesn't deserve a 981 01:04:25,019 --> 01:04:26,579 podcast or cool person. 982 01:04:27,869 --> 01:04:28,769 does deserve what? 983 01:04:29,219 --> 01:04:31,289 The podcasts are cool. I so I mean, I 984 01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:33,600 know. Yes. We go 985 01:04:33,630 --> 01:04:34,710 podcasts are cool. 986 01:04:35,909 --> 01:04:40,769 podcasts are cool. Wow. Did you have a note? He say anything? 987 01:04:41,039 --> 01:04:43,349 Yeah, he's got a note. Yeah. Yeah. And I made sure it was 988 01:04:43,349 --> 01:04:45,749 okay to read. He said, David Adam, this is given an 989 01:04:45,749 --> 01:04:49,319 appreciation for the hard work and foresight podcast index 990 01:04:49,319 --> 01:04:52,319 represents. We're excited for the future because of the work 991 01:04:52,319 --> 01:04:55,409 being done in the present. Thank you for your leadership and 992 01:04:55,409 --> 01:04:58,319 dedication. A special thanks to all those folks in the trenches 993 01:04:58,319 --> 01:05:02,609 making it happen without the time and talent of Martin, James 994 01:05:02,639 --> 01:05:07,979 Tom CSB. Kevin and many others. We know this wouldn't be in. 995 01:05:08,099 --> 01:05:12,719 This wouldn't be anywhere. Oh 2021 and all the possibility it 996 01:05:12,719 --> 01:05:16,349 holds your friends@rss.com ps we put some extra money in there so 997 01:05:16,349 --> 01:05:18,359 you guys can have a drink on us. You deserve it. 998 01:05:18,900 --> 01:05:24,780 75 bucks for drinkin. Yeah. That's really nice. That is 999 01:05:24,780 --> 01:05:27,000 that's humbling. I really appreciate that. 1000 01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:30,540 Yeah, me too. I emailed him back. I was like, hey, like, 1001 01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:31,170 this is your 1002 01:05:33,300 --> 01:05:34,920 fat finger. This What happened? Yeah. 1003 01:05:35,700 --> 01:05:38,370 Like, we want to buy you a drink. Let's make that happen. 1004 01:05:38,969 --> 01:05:42,749 Thank you. Thank you for the very kind. Thank you. So rss.com 1005 01:05:44,309 --> 01:05:46,049 Yeah, and we're happy. We're gonna have those guys on the 1006 01:05:46,049 --> 01:05:47,129 show in January. 1007 01:05:47,190 --> 01:05:50,970 Yeah. So the booking you're like producing this thing now, man. 1008 01:05:52,290 --> 01:05:55,590 Now I'm doing everything. You got the crumble notes. You could 1009 01:05:55,590 --> 01:05:59,970 use booking the guests. You're, you've got the one liners up, 1010 01:05:59,970 --> 01:06:00,450 man. 1011 01:06:01,019 --> 01:06:02,579 You need me at least some stuff for you. 1012 01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:05,910 Okay, I hit record. Let's 1013 01:06:08,250 --> 01:06:12,750 see. Let's see. We got another one. This is from Dred Scott. 1014 01:06:13,230 --> 01:06:14,490 Oh, my goodness. 1015 01:06:14,940 --> 01:06:18,360 And he said his note was answering the call Keep up the 1016 01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,820 great work. And he donated 333. 1017 01:06:22,019 --> 01:06:24,959 Dred Scott, he's doing chapters for us already. He's doing 1018 01:06:24,959 --> 01:06:28,169 chapters for no agenda. I mean, this guy's phenomenal. 1019 01:06:28,530 --> 01:06:31,020 Do we have them in? Don't we're gonna get him like a Sphinx 1020 01:06:31,020 --> 01:06:33,030 node. So you can get some some cut in? 1021 01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:38,310 Yeah, I'm getting a whole bunch of Sphinx node codes from Paul, 1022 01:06:38,310 --> 01:06:41,190 so I can start handing them out that they're working on spinning 1023 01:06:41,190 --> 01:06:43,410 up a crap ton of nodes. 1024 01:06:44,519 --> 01:06:47,579 And tried to create one this morning. And is that delayed? 1025 01:06:47,610 --> 01:06:51,270 No, it's all too late. And it's probably a bad time right now. 1026 01:06:52,890 --> 01:06:56,190 starting up these nodes channels have to be created. So it takes 1027 01:06:56,220 --> 01:07:03,930 some some on chain off chain processing. Okay. And that cost 1028 01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:08,400 cost a little much now with the the fees are high at this 1029 01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:08,820 moment. 1030 01:07:09,659 --> 01:07:10,799 Oh, yeah. Like, 1031 01:07:11,610 --> 01:07:14,310 there's a lot of a lot of stuff in the mempool. He said sounding 1032 01:07:14,310 --> 01:07:15,960 like he knows what the hell he's talking about. 1033 01:07:18,210 --> 01:07:19,800 I don't even know what a mempool is. 1034 01:07:19,829 --> 01:07:21,479 Yeah, trust me. You don't? 1035 01:07:22,019 --> 01:07:24,749 That's that's the backlog of transactions waiting to take 1036 01:07:24,749 --> 01:07:25,349 place. Right? 1037 01:07:25,500 --> 01:07:27,810 Well, it's stuff competing to get into the block. 1038 01:07:28,769 --> 01:07:31,109 That's right. Okay. So it's back. The higher the higher the 1039 01:07:31,109 --> 01:07:33,869 mempool backlog, the higher the transaction fees, because people 1040 01:07:33,869 --> 01:07:34,469 are wanting Yes, 1041 01:07:34,499 --> 01:07:35,969 they want to get it. Exactly. 1042 01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:39,450 Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So that's Dred Scott. Thanks. 1043 01:07:39,659 --> 01:07:43,679 Thank you very much dread. And he's doing the chapters and 1044 01:07:43,679 --> 01:07:48,899 doing a great job. I just, that's what I saw. Someone else 1045 01:07:48,899 --> 01:07:51,119 was trying to integrate or something else? 1046 01:07:51,209 --> 01:07:51,629 I don't know. 1047 01:07:52,679 --> 01:07:56,669 Anyway, I got to catch up and show you I get so behind one on 1048 01:07:56,669 --> 01:07:59,549 Thursday. I just can't catch up. Because I'm doing the show. And 1049 01:07:59,549 --> 01:08:02,099 and I get behind like, oh, man, what's been going on 1050 01:08:02,099 --> 01:08:09,899 we talking about? Yeah, it's you get lost? Yeah. Let's see. This 1051 01:08:09,899 --> 01:08:16,199 one is. Okay. So what's what's the naming protocol here? If you 1052 01:08:16,199 --> 01:08:21,839 got a C this is from sir dude named Ben defender of megawatts 1053 01:08:21,899 --> 01:08:25,619 this donation is from Shai uses real name to produce keep him 1054 01:08:25,619 --> 01:08:27,539 sir. Yes, sir. Do name Ben. 1055 01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:28,620 Yeah, that's probably better. 1056 01:08:29,430 --> 01:08:35,040 All right. So this is from sir dude named Ben $100. And he 1057 01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:38,670 says, keep free speech alive. We need it now. More than ever, 1058 01:08:38,670 --> 01:08:41,400 sir. dude named Ben, defender of megawatts. Ah, 1059 01:08:41,430 --> 01:08:44,340 thank you. The megawatts feel good. Yeah. 1060 01:08:47,550 --> 01:08:52,350 Yeah, that this is a good. It's just it makes you just makes you 1061 01:08:52,350 --> 01:08:55,470 feel good. When everybody jumps in there and just gives you it's 1062 01:08:55,470 --> 01:08:57,480 not just the donations. It's the nose, 1063 01:08:57,510 --> 01:09:02,310 nose. Yeah. Of course. It's the beauty of the model, man. And 1064 01:09:03,060 --> 01:09:06,960 you could be reading a note that goes by gold now. 1065 01:09:08,579 --> 01:09:10,109 Or motherfucking 1066 01:09:10,110 --> 01:09:12,270 cashapp. Or 1067 01:09:15,060 --> 01:09:17,610 Casper mattress Ed says right? Hey, 1068 01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:22,020 hey, you know, for Christmas. I got David pair of Tommy John's. 1069 01:09:23,790 --> 01:09:25,950 Because I want Dave to be comfortable when he's 1070 01:09:25,950 --> 01:09:26,760 podcasting. 1071 01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:30,360 It's Yeah, I'm wearing them all the time. It's my favorite. It's 1072 01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:34,500 my favorite underwear now or whatever. Yeah. I forget See, 1073 01:09:34,500 --> 01:09:37,170 that's the part of my model I forget to put in here. We need 1074 01:09:37,170 --> 01:09:40,560 to change the podcast we get to throw in a native ad once in a 1075 01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:46,890 while got to do it. Got to do it that we don't disclose. Yes. So 1076 01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:54,600 Benjamin Bellamy from caste departure, sir donation. $45.70. 1077 01:09:54,750 --> 01:09:56,610 Thank you. Thank you very much. Yeah, he 1078 01:09:56,610 --> 01:09:59,730 says congratulations for what you've accomplished in 2020. 1079 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:04,050 blocked funding transcript chapters sound bright sound by 1080 01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:08,160 previous URL ID value and cast a pod has them all. Yeah, 1081 01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:11,280 I was gonna say cast the pot is a very interesting product. If 1082 01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:14,940 you want to sell hosts, that's the way to go, man. That's the 1083 01:10:15,330 --> 01:10:18,930 badass dashboard. And he would probably be interested in in the 1084 01:10:18,930 --> 01:10:20,520 stats conversation as well. 1085 01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:24,240 And knowing how fast he puts stuff in there is probably going 1086 01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:25,500 to be done by the end of today. 1087 01:10:25,950 --> 01:10:28,980 That's the crazy thing is like, when you're dealing with, I'll 1088 01:10:28,980 --> 01:10:32,100 just call them the web guys. They're able to do stuff so 1089 01:10:32,100 --> 01:10:32,670 quickly. 1090 01:10:33,420 --> 01:10:34,110 Yeah, because, you 1091 01:10:34,110 --> 01:10:39,330 know, like with hyper capture, which I really like that app, I 1092 01:10:39,330 --> 01:10:42,480 think it's of the app apps. It's very advanced, certainly with 1093 01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:47,070 its chapters and and the feedback loop, which I love. You 1094 01:10:47,070 --> 01:10:49,710 know, he's got, he's got to put it in for another update. And 1095 01:10:49,710 --> 01:10:52,500 it's just painful. 1096 01:10:52,860 --> 01:10:57,090 Yeah, I had a couple guys, buddy, say dinner with on 1097 01:10:57,090 --> 01:11:01,230 Wednesday, and hadn't seen in a while, too. We're catching up. 1098 01:11:01,230 --> 01:11:03,780 And I was telling him about the index and the wild stuff we were 1099 01:11:03,780 --> 01:11:08,100 doing. And they're both Android guys. And so they were like, 1100 01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:13,920 what the one of my one of these guys runs podcast. And I said, 1101 01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:16,530 Well, you know, you need to get on Sphinx. And I was, you know, 1102 01:11:16,530 --> 01:11:19,710 I said, I'll set you up a node and all this stuff. And here's a 1103 01:11:19,710 --> 01:11:24,120 what, what podcast app should I be using as my main app or 1104 01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:26,550 whatever? So what do you have now? You like stitcher? 1105 01:11:27,480 --> 01:11:28,500 Oh, no, 1106 01:11:29,370 --> 01:11:30,810 no, no. Get off. 1107 01:11:31,710 --> 01:11:33,750 You need to go to upgrade. 1108 01:11:34,050 --> 01:11:38,340 Yeah, so I get and had him go get hyper catcher. Yeah. They 1109 01:11:38,340 --> 01:11:40,410 were like, Oh, this is cool. I'll show them the chapters and 1110 01:11:40,410 --> 01:11:45,300 all that stuff. Oh, nice. To me, and I'm just I'm sorry. Not 1111 01:11:45,300 --> 01:11:45,900 hyper catcher. 1112 01:11:46,650 --> 01:11:49,140 podcast addict. Okay. Also, guys. 1113 01:11:49,290 --> 01:11:53,100 Yeah. applicators only on iOS. Yeah. They're both Android guys. 1114 01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:59,550 But let's see. Benjamin said. Congratulations, what you 1115 01:11:59,550 --> 01:12:02,220 accomplished in 2020 locked funding transcript chapters, 1116 01:12:02,220 --> 01:12:06,690 soundbite previous URL, Id value and cast a pod has them all. 1117 01:12:06,990 --> 01:12:09,990 We're already working on podcast location. I can't wait to see 1118 01:12:09,990 --> 01:12:14,010 you guys. What do you guys will bring in 2021. We have a few 1119 01:12:14,010 --> 01:12:17,190 surprises for you as well. Oh, okay. All right. 1120 01:12:17,220 --> 01:12:20,220 Nice. surprises like we'd like surprises. 1121 01:12:20,850 --> 01:12:23,460 A says thank you. Really. I mean it from cast upon. 1122 01:12:24,090 --> 01:12:26,520 Thank you. Casta pod Benjamin. Fantastic. Thank you. 1123 01:12:32,340 --> 01:12:32,850 We had 1124 01:12:33,870 --> 01:12:37,410 a reminder, for those of you on savings chat. If you haven't 1125 01:12:37,410 --> 01:12:41,430 pegged that value slider you better do it right now. All the 1126 01:12:41,430 --> 01:12:45,750 way up all the all the way to the top please. A th 1127 01:12:48,029 --> 01:12:57,149 Okay, so we got a donation from see Cameron. Cameron white, he 1128 01:12:57,149 --> 01:12:59,999 says for $33.33 and just says no note. 1129 01:13:00,900 --> 01:13:03,480 I thank you very much magic numbers all around love it. 1130 01:13:04,290 --> 01:13:07,140 That that exclamation point was not actually in there. That was 1131 01:13:07,140 --> 01:13:17,160 an editorial. Let's see. Make sure there's no that's not a 1132 01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:23,250 moment. Okay. So David Langford gives doll $20 and two cent 1133 01:13:23,250 --> 01:13:27,090 donation. Oh, and a palindrome the next Yeah. The next one is 1134 01:13:27,090 --> 01:13:31,200 $20. So he barely edged out the next donation. He did this. He 1135 01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:34,560 did it. He did it. Yeah. It's like he knew it. It's like he 1136 01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:35,280 knew what he was doing. 1137 01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:35,940 Was there no. 1138 01:13:36,690 --> 01:13:44,070 Yes. Yes. Yes. long note. I want to see this is David David 1139 01:13:44,070 --> 01:13:47,250 Langford. I wonder if maybe you're thinking too small with 1140 01:13:47,250 --> 01:13:50,220 podcasting. 2.0 I've been listening to and you're gonna 1141 01:13:50,220 --> 01:13:54,210 tell me if you recognize any of these names, because I've been 1142 01:13:54,210 --> 01:13:58,170 listening to an indie pop singer songwriter, Mindy Gledhill. 1143 01:13:58,890 --> 01:14:05,190 ringabel know, me. I've been listening to an indie pop singer 1144 01:14:05,190 --> 01:14:09,270 songwriter Mindy Gledhill a lot lately. Her rabbit hole album 1145 01:14:09,270 --> 01:14:12,210 has been helping me go through my faith crisis turned 1146 01:14:12,210 --> 01:14:17,220 existential crisis turned to divorce. Yes, I had already paid 1147 01:14:17,220 --> 01:14:21,000 the $12 for her mp3 album from amazon music, but I wanted to 1148 01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:23,910 send her some extra value for the value of her music and her 1149 01:14:23,910 --> 01:14:27,390 value her music has been given to me. Guess what? There's no 1150 01:14:27,390 --> 01:14:29,490 mechanism to give music artists more money. 1151 01:14:30,150 --> 01:14:31,590 Ah, there you go. 1152 01:14:32,250 --> 01:14:36,240 And they aren't touring right now. I had to. I had to internet 1153 01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:41,430 stock her and send her a check in the mail. I hope it's the 1154 01:14:41,430 --> 01:14:46,620 correct address. Well, but I was thinking about your lightning 1155 01:14:46,620 --> 01:14:50,130 Bitcoin payment system for podcasters. Couldn't you do the 1156 01:14:50,130 --> 01:14:52,470 same thing for musicians? Yes. 1157 01:14:52,980 --> 01:14:57,390 Yes. And and to reiterate, I think this is where this whole 1158 01:14:57,390 --> 01:15:00,450 value block comes in. If we look at the basic mechanism Have an 1159 01:15:00,450 --> 01:15:04,980 RSS feed in an odd way. If you put an album in there and we had 1160 01:15:04,980 --> 01:15:09,660 the per episode splits, you could actually do the royalty 1161 01:15:09,660 --> 01:15:12,930 payments for anyone who worked on the song The writing the 1162 01:15:12,930 --> 01:15:16,950 composing down to musicians down to the tape op if you want the 1163 01:15:16,980 --> 01:15:20,340 engineer and they can get payments for every single time 1164 01:15:20,340 --> 01:15:25,050 someone listens to it. Absolutely. I track Yeah, I see 1165 01:15:25,050 --> 01:15:29,160 a lot. A lot of possibility for this system. It is not in my 1166 01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:33,120 mind. None of it is regulated to it has to be a show or anything 1167 01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:37,200 like that. And you want to use this mechanism, please. It's 1168 01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:38,160 perfect for it. 1169 01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:40,890 Yeah, I mean, you could go per track. 1170 01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:43,680 And you could do your bonuses. You know, you can move some 1171 01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:48,150 extra extra SATs like ah like this, this actual this this 1172 01:15:48,150 --> 01:15:50,790 lyric in the song I like this boost it right there. 1173 01:15:51,510 --> 01:15:54,840 I didn't know evidently Dolly Parton has like the greatest 1174 01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:57,900 publicist ever because she is all over the place right now. 1175 01:15:59,460 --> 01:16:03,180 harden is an American institution. 1176 01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:07,170 Yeah, I mean, like she there's a PR push for her going on right 1177 01:16:07,170 --> 01:16:08,520 now. This is off the train. Oh, 1178 01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:09,930 she probably has a Christmas special. 1179 01:16:11,220 --> 01:16:14,910 Yeah, so a documentary of her a few weeks ago, and I didn't 1180 01:16:14,910 --> 01:16:19,110 realize that one of her big songs where she's first sort of 1181 01:16:19,110 --> 01:16:23,130 broke out a country and went crossover. I came into the night 1182 01:16:23,130 --> 01:16:29,190 it's a it's the core spot and popular but Jolene, know when 1183 01:16:29,190 --> 01:16:32,940 Jolene, because she wrote that one. This is one that she didn't 1184 01:16:32,940 --> 01:16:36,810 write, but people think nine to five. Now she wrote that one 1185 01:16:36,810 --> 01:16:37,200 too. 1186 01:16:37,950 --> 01:16:40,200 I was gonna say there's not a lot of songs I know that she 1187 01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:41,040 didn't write. 1188 01:16:41,970 --> 01:16:44,460 That's what I drew attention to this one is because this 1189 01:16:44,460 --> 01:16:47,880 particular song everybody thinks she wrote it, but she didn't. It 1190 01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:52,020 was somebody else. That she picked it because it was like 1191 01:16:52,620 --> 01:16:59,820 her first crossover non country hit. And so she specifically 1192 01:16:59,820 --> 01:17:04,410 chose it to kind of get a feel for what that would be like. And 1193 01:17:04,440 --> 01:17:09,030 oh, okay, okay, I'm reading I'm reading through the Wikipedia 1194 01:17:09,030 --> 01:17:14,670 now all I can do was the album and let's see what was the big 1195 01:17:14,670 --> 01:17:19,920 hit from that she had Sandy gallon as her manager Sandy 1196 01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:23,700 gallon is a living legend it now that's that's not a publicist. 1197 01:17:23,700 --> 01:17:25,470 But Sandy Gallin knows everybody. 1198 01:17:26,550 --> 01:17:27,900 That's the guy from New York, right? 1199 01:17:28,620 --> 01:17:34,590 I even know the guy or gal. Honestly, the name is super, 1200 01:17:34,590 --> 01:17:39,030 super well known. trying to think what was it? Was it No, it 1201 01:17:39,030 --> 01:17:43,350 wasn't the stuff she did with Emily Emmylou Harris. 1202 01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:49,350 Huh? No, wasn't that this was? Gosh, this was maybe late, my 1203 01:17:49,350 --> 01:17:49,890 girl 1204 01:17:49,890 --> 01:17:56,520 higher and higher. No. 76 probably. heartbreaker 1205 01:17:56,550 --> 01:17:59,910 heartbreaker. Here you come again. How about that one? Yeah, 1206 01:17:59,910 --> 01:18:00,600 that's it. Come 1207 01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:01,650 again. 1208 01:18:01,950 --> 01:18:05,220 You go. That's it? That's exactly right. Yeah, it was that 1209 01:18:05,220 --> 01:18:09,930 one was not written by her. Ah, so this is a long way of saying, 1210 01:18:10,140 --> 01:18:17,220 yeah. You could give royalties to the writer. per, per track. 1211 01:18:17,250 --> 01:18:21,030 Mm hmm. You know, you split that thing out anyway. Anyway, you 1212 01:18:21,030 --> 01:18:24,690 want to? That was a long way of talking about lightning. I'm 1213 01:18:24,690 --> 01:18:26,880 glad we did that, though. Yeah. 1214 01:18:28,980 --> 01:18:34,650 See More, more from David Langford. He says, Can you do 1215 01:18:34,650 --> 01:18:37,950 the same thing for musicians? Yes, you can treat each artist 1216 01:18:37,950 --> 01:18:40,080 like a podcast and each song like an episode. 1217 01:18:40,110 --> 01:18:42,930 You bet each season like an album. Yep. 1218 01:18:43,260 --> 01:18:46,080 I think you should fly to Provo, Utah and have a meeting with 1219 01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:48,810 Mindy about getting indie pop artists on board with music 1220 01:18:48,810 --> 01:18:52,410 streaming. 2.0. Love your main David Langford. wildon. 1221 01:18:52,500 --> 01:18:56,760 Love you mean it. And thanks for the note, man. I hope 1222 01:18:57,060 --> 01:19:00,030 everything's okay. I'm glad I was able to help you through the 1223 01:19:00,030 --> 01:19:03,030 hard times. That's what music does podcasts do it too for lots 1224 01:19:03,030 --> 01:19:03,540 of people. 1225 01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:10,110 If anybody wants to fly me to Provo, Utah game, just say I 1226 01:19:10,110 --> 01:19:15,000 want to turn it down. Okay. Do you know the beautiful the state 1227 01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:17,460 with the highest percentage of swingers in the whole country? 1228 01:19:17,970 --> 01:19:21,390 Yes, that has been a no agenda topic. Thanks for reminding me. 1229 01:19:22,260 --> 01:19:22,920 Oh, is it? 1230 01:19:25,350 --> 01:19:28,290 For ACC knows these kinds of stats for some reason I'm not 1231 01:19:28,290 --> 01:19:28,980 sure why. 1232 01:19:29,730 --> 01:19:33,870 Also very always very well represented on the Pornhub stats 1233 01:19:33,870 --> 01:19:42,300 to break it down. by state. It's true. Let's see. The last one is 1234 01:19:42,330 --> 01:19:47,370 anonymous, a single donation for $20. And he just says no shout 1235 01:19:47,370 --> 01:19:49,530 out native just want to support your efforts. Thank you for your 1236 01:19:49,530 --> 01:19:50,010 courage. Thank 1237 01:19:50,010 --> 01:19:53,610 you. We appreciate it. Thank you for your courage, great value 1238 01:19:53,610 --> 01:19:56,580 for value. That's how it works. All you got and we're pretty 1239 01:19:56,580 --> 01:20:00,240 darn transparent. There's There's our income. It's been a 1240 01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:02,820 good week though this was fantastic, especially with the 1241 01:20:03,150 --> 01:20:10,740 with the Benjamin at RSS calm. Yeah, very very much appreciated 1242 01:20:10,740 --> 01:20:13,620 but doesn't matter how much it is, is the value that you 1243 01:20:13,620 --> 01:20:16,920 attribute to it that we appreciate. And for the entire 1244 01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:23,490 podcast index.org project which as Benjamin already alluded to, 1245 01:20:23,490 --> 01:20:25,980 in this note, it's a whole lot of people contributing their 1246 01:20:25,980 --> 01:20:28,800 time, their talent and their treasure. If you got some 1247 01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:32,040 treasure to part with and we really appreciate it, podcast 1248 01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:34,590 index.org scroll down to the bottom, there's the big red 1249 01:20:34,590 --> 01:20:40,110 Donate button. Yes, smash that. And I think also if you have a 1250 01:20:40,140 --> 01:20:44,730 funding tag compliant what podcasting 2.0 compliant podcast 1251 01:20:44,730 --> 01:20:48,060 app, there should be a little Donate button in the app right 1252 01:20:48,060 --> 01:20:53,460 now. Which pops up smash that to smash it, smash that 1253 01:20:54,600 --> 01:21:02,400 we get for this. For the time being we are making more revenue 1254 01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:07,350 on this podcast than Harry Prince Harry and Megan. Because 1255 01:21:07,350 --> 01:21:08,130 they had started they're 1256 01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:13,800 not even they're not allowed to use the the Royal Highness 1257 01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:17,400 monikers. But I think Spotify is ignoring that and just using it. 1258 01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:20,460 We'll see. We'll see how long before that just like the 1259 01:21:20,460 --> 01:21:24,390 Michelle Obama podcast has to be opened up and will show up in 1260 01:21:24,390 --> 01:21:27,030 the index. Yeah, it won't take long. There was a guardian 1261 01:21:27,030 --> 01:21:29,730 article that I just wanted to touch on briefly called sinister 1262 01:21:29,730 --> 01:21:34,530 sounds. podcasts are becoming the new medium of misinformation 1263 01:21:34,770 --> 01:21:36,420 with a big picture of Joe Rogan 1264 01:21:40,110 --> 01:21:45,180 insinuation that the guilt by association is so gross. 1265 01:21:45,810 --> 01:21:50,940 It truly is and and what this article is saying. And they 1266 01:21:50,940 --> 01:21:54,300 highlight a couple of podcasts something I listened to 1267 01:21:54,330 --> 01:21:57,510 coincidentally. And they say well, this is a problem here. We 1268 01:21:57,510 --> 01:22:00,090 don't have this. They're literally saying and who wrote 1269 01:22:00,090 --> 01:22:00,840 this article. 1270 01:22:03,270 --> 01:22:04,020 Hey, why don't 1271 01:22:04,980 --> 01:22:11,970 Ariel Bogle Ariel mogul is really calling for more 1272 01:22:11,970 --> 01:22:16,530 gatekeepers and more ways to shut people down who's who speak 1273 01:22:16,530 --> 01:22:21,840 bad. It is the antithesis of this entire project and go to 1274 01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:23,040 the what should be done. 1275 01:22:28,140 --> 01:22:32,070 better and more moderation is only a partial answer to a more 1276 01:22:32,070 --> 01:22:39,930 difficult question. They don't really have an area doesn't 1277 01:22:39,930 --> 01:22:42,180 really have a conclusion. They're about what really should 1278 01:22:42,180 --> 01:22:45,720 it be done. But it's about moderate. But ultimately, it's 1279 01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:48,750 about the content has to be moderated. We have to have 1280 01:22:48,900 --> 01:22:54,390 trusted sources to moderate moderate the content. Well, I 1281 01:22:54,420 --> 01:22:57,420 disagree. I mean, we are the trusted source. So you know that 1282 01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:01,920 what shows up in podcast index.org is 100% not moderated. 1283 01:23:02,550 --> 01:23:06,840 That's what you want to know. And if you want to create some 1284 01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:10,950 moderated thing, then go to podcast index.org sign up sign 1285 01:23:10,950 --> 01:23:16,290 up as a developer and created a query so you get only the thing 1286 01:23:16,290 --> 01:23:20,160 that podcasts that you approve, or an exclusionary one if you if 1287 01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:23,670 you need any extra API calls, we'll help you out. But man 1288 01:23:23,670 --> 01:23:27,600 you're selling yourself short. You really are selling yourself 1289 01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:28,200 short. 1290 01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:32,070 If you want to if you want to screw over your customers and 1291 01:23:32,070 --> 01:23:34,770 they will help you do it I guess but yeah, I mean it's not gonna 1292 01:23:34,770 --> 01:23:39,120 be any fun. My answer to that whole thing is that Matt a BS 1293 01:23:39,150 --> 01:23:41,970 article Do you read his article about the YouTube ban? No, I 1294 01:23:41,970 --> 01:23:42,990 didn't know I missed it 1295 01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:47,700 was really good and he's the his his comment was you know because 1296 01:23:48,090 --> 01:23:48,570 you know 1297 01:23:48,660 --> 01:23:51,600 oh it was Oh yeah, I did see come through and substack it was 1298 01:23:51,630 --> 01:23:53,910 it was all about canceling wasn't it wasn't just about 1299 01:23:53,910 --> 01:23:55,050 YouTube was about 1300 01:23:55,710 --> 01:23:58,080 it was about YouTube's blog post where they said they were gonna 1301 01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:01,950 write in in you know, any was it ban any election and 1302 01:24:01,950 --> 01:24:03,420 misinformation about that the 1303 01:24:03,420 --> 01:24:04,920 vaccine any of that? 1304 01:24:04,950 --> 01:24:10,230 Yeah, so his this line got me said if you want a population of 1305 01:24:10,230 --> 01:24:13,050 people to start thinking and election was stolen from stolen 1306 01:24:13,050 --> 01:24:16,590 from them, it's hard to think of a worse method than ordering a 1307 01:24:16,590 --> 01:24:20,250 news blackout there's just been demonstrated that the last major 1308 01:24:20,250 --> 01:24:24,870 blackout was a fraud he's absolutely right. Well, you want 1309 01:24:24,870 --> 01:24:27,990 to pay if you want people to stop believing that you like 1310 01:24:27,990 --> 01:24:30,990 your if you think there's a certain category of information 1311 01:24:30,990 --> 01:24:34,830 that is that is quote unquote, misinformation. The worst thing 1312 01:24:34,830 --> 01:24:40,440 to do to try to fix it is to do is to moderate it and then add 1313 01:24:40,470 --> 01:24:44,010 or remove it. It's like trying to sit tell your daughter that 1314 01:24:44,010 --> 01:24:46,170 she can't date somebody some gas. 1315 01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:49,050 Yeah, that always works. Yeah, that works out. 1316 01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:53,790 Yeah. Me and your mom disapprove of john, you know, or whatever. 1317 01:24:53,790 --> 01:24:56,040 I mean, it's usually been going off with john immediately. Yeah. 1318 01:24:57,090 --> 01:25:03,090 Out the window. Yeah. Well, we're against that. That's why 1319 01:25:03,090 --> 01:25:06,840 we created it. Mission number one, very much achieved. 1320 01:25:07,500 --> 01:25:10,350 Preserve podcasting as a platform for free speech. 1321 01:25:10,860 --> 01:25:15,390 There's no feed that that we is no feed that will that will push 1322 01:25:15,390 --> 01:25:19,620 out. Everything is welcome. All as long as it's valid, valid 1323 01:25:19,620 --> 01:25:24,450 XML. We're good to go on all that. And we continue our quest 1324 01:25:24,450 --> 01:25:29,880 in retooling podcasting, as an uninterruptible supply of value 1325 01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:34,380 to the entire ecosystem. And we'll have more next week. No 1326 01:25:34,380 --> 01:25:37,050 doubt there'll be all kinds of maybe it's next week. Is that 1327 01:25:37,050 --> 01:25:37,710 Christmas? 1328 01:25:38,790 --> 01:25:43,890 Yeah, we're, uh, we're, we're gonna be recording early so that 1329 01:25:43,890 --> 01:25:47,220 we can, so we can do a drop on Christmas Day. 1330 01:25:47,250 --> 01:25:49,410 What are we doing again? Do I have that in Mike, do I have 1331 01:25:49,410 --> 01:25:52,020 that? Uh, do I have you on my schedule? Let me see. 1332 01:25:52,739 --> 01:25:55,439 Yeah, I'm so busy. With your guy. Yeah. Let 1333 01:25:55,440 --> 01:25:58,050 me see. I have a week. 1334 01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:02,640 Early with James and Sam sets set the I think, 1335 01:26:02,670 --> 01:26:03,540 yeah, what do we do? 1336 01:26:04,770 --> 01:26:09,000 I think it's Tuesday. Tuesday. 22nd. 1337 01:26:12,300 --> 01:26:17,940 Well, I'll make sure I have any mic. Maybe I'd maybe I got 1338 01:26:17,940 --> 01:26:20,850 confused. Well, we'll make sure it happens. Because that's 1339 01:26:20,850 --> 01:26:24,690 the one we're doing his time zones Australia. So he's, we're 1340 01:26:24,690 --> 01:26:28,410 gonna be right. Yeah, okay. Yeah. But it'll be the 23rd for 1341 01:26:28,410 --> 01:26:29,130 him. Yes. 1342 01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:32,400 Yeah. The 23rd of 2021. He's actually a whole year ahead. 1343 01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:33,600 It's crazy, though. So 1344 01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:38,940 we're gonna we're gonna record with him. And then he wants us 1345 01:26:38,940 --> 01:26:41,670 to stick around for a bit and record. They want to interview 1346 01:26:41,670 --> 01:26:46,440 us for pod land. sex. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But we'll do that. 1347 01:26:46,440 --> 01:26:50,070 We're doing that one on. And then that'll come out on the 1348 01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:55,290 Christmas Day. And then we'll do the next week is New Year's Day. 1349 01:26:55,350 --> 01:26:56,010 Yeah. Oh, we 1350 01:26:56,010 --> 01:26:56,880 got doing okay. 1351 01:26:57,090 --> 01:26:59,400 So we're gonna do another another Tuesday. 1352 01:27:00,510 --> 01:27:04,440 I'm excited. I'm excited to talk with James. I'm very excited to 1353 01:27:04,470 --> 01:27:05,790 see what he's got going on. 1354 01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:12,840 We don't stop for Christmas, folks. 1355 01:27:14,610 --> 01:27:19,110 We we really don't do just keep pushing ahead. What, what to see 1356 01:27:19,110 --> 01:27:22,260 what else is on deck? Do we have any other any other business to 1357 01:27:22,260 --> 01:27:26,490 take care of any other namespace talk just as well. Before I do 1358 01:27:26,490 --> 01:27:29,550 anything, please tell us where we could find Frederick's 1359 01:27:29,550 --> 01:27:33,390 podcast that is featuring the one and only Mr. Dave Jones, 1360 01:27:33,480 --> 01:27:36,660 because I say Frederick's podcast, but I should actually 1361 01:27:36,660 --> 01:27:39,870 put it in the show notes. What's it called? podcast? 1362 01:27:41,279 --> 01:27:46,889 Cut snack. cod snack. Yeah. KOD s ma ck. Yeah. Christopher I 1363 01:27:46,889 --> 01:27:49,679 seen posted what it meant, but I can't remember what he said. 1364 01:27:49,859 --> 01:27:53,309 Like he's Swedish like a little snack. Is that what it is? 1365 01:27:53,729 --> 01:27:54,659 I thought so. 1366 01:27:55,620 --> 01:27:58,020 It sounds good to me. Let's go with that. No, yeah, 1367 01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:01,170 I saw the translation somewhere as well. Okay, could snack. I'm 1368 01:28:01,170 --> 01:28:05,040 gonna put that in right now. Good snack, make sure that's in 1369 01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:10,500 the show notes. I'd love I'd really love the is this a 1370 01:28:10,500 --> 01:28:12,690 change? Is this something different that happened to the 1371 01:28:12,690 --> 01:28:13,350 website? 1372 01:28:14,729 --> 01:28:16,199 For what, when we noticed 1373 01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:19,470 did? I don't know. It just seems spiffy Etsy. And maybe it's 1374 01:28:19,470 --> 01:28:20,880 because I'm on desktop right now. 1375 01:28:20,910 --> 01:28:27,390 It looks so good. Oh, it does look good. Yeah, we did. We did 1376 01:28:27,390 --> 01:28:31,560 some changes to her, I say we don't plan to do some changes to 1377 01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:34,380 it and push it he just restructured the back end to 1378 01:28:34,380 --> 01:28:38,490 make it easier to maintain going forward. And it was it did make 1379 01:28:38,490 --> 01:28:41,520 it a lot better. Because I made those changes with the good, the 1380 01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:46,500 stats good. And it was a lot easier to handle. So I'm 1381 01:28:46,500 --> 01:28:48,900 thankful he did that. It didn't change the way it looks or 1382 01:28:48,900 --> 01:28:52,080 functions. But on the backside. It made it a lot easier to deal 1383 01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:52,320 with. 1384 01:28:52,380 --> 01:28:54,930 I just think it's kick ass looking. I like the whole thing. 1385 01:28:55,470 --> 01:28:57,930 It looks great. And we get to make the developer site look 1386 01:28:57,930 --> 01:29:00,990 like that because the API dev site looks like garbage. 1387 01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:02,940 Let me see developer. 1388 01:29:03,750 --> 01:29:06,960 Yeah, they API podcast. index.org. Looks like it's 1389 01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:13,380 not much there. Is there? Any man. All right. Anything else I 1390 01:29:13,380 --> 01:29:15,840 can do for you, Dave? How can I make your life easier? 1391 01:29:16,740 --> 01:29:22,080 Oh, no, I'm good. I just I'm having fun just thinking about 1392 01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:24,210 dance. I'm having fun 1393 01:29:24,210 --> 01:29:29,700 thinking about SATs. Set. Hello, everybody. I made that. He can't 1394 01:29:29,700 --> 01:29:33,990 spell stats. Without SATs. You got it. That's right. Special 1395 01:29:33,990 --> 01:29:42,330 thanks to Ruth rofi who created a little end of show mix for us. 1396 01:29:43,439 --> 01:29:44,459 He does Casco for Trent 1397 01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:49,050 MCs. I'm sorry Brophy does cast covers cast coverage.com which 1398 01:29:49,170 --> 01:29:55,740 also has rotating chapter images. We saw a demo of that 1399 01:29:55,740 --> 01:29:57,360 the other day. It looks very cool. 1400 01:29:58,319 --> 01:30:02,309 Yeah, and He's a jazz we got some in the show next. 1401 01:30:02,340 --> 01:30:06,450 Yeah, he's got too much time on his hands. I really it's 1402 01:30:06,450 --> 01:30:09,780 fantastic. I love this. All right, everybody. We will be 1403 01:30:09,780 --> 01:30:13,680 back again, with the Friday show. It'll be done a little bit 1404 01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:16,050 earlier, as you heard and we'll have James Cridland on from pod 1405 01:30:16,050 --> 01:30:19,230 news. So that should be that should be super exciting. And 1406 01:30:19,230 --> 01:30:21,480 we'll have lots of things to talk about. We'll unveil which 1407 01:30:21,480 --> 01:30:24,690 host is supporting the tags this week. Everything all coming up. 1408 01:30:24,690 --> 01:30:27,120 And Dave have yourself a great weekend, man. 1409 01:30:27,599 --> 01:30:29,969 I mean, you haven't ever built one. 1410 01:30:30,029 --> 01:30:33,689 Yes. As we get ready for Christmas. We're continue to 1411 01:30:33,689 --> 01:30:37,199 work on podcasting, podcasting. 2.0 We'll see you next week 1412 01:30:37,199 --> 01:30:39,179 everybody right here Till then bye bye. 1413 01:30:55,020 --> 01:31:00,000 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 podcast in this 1414 01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:02,280 dialogue for more information. 1415 01:31:03,270 --> 01:31:05,910 Play cast coverage, I'm not ashamed 1416 01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:11,910 of the gospel nice. 1417 01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:16,890 I'm not ashamed of the gospel. 1418 01:31:19,740 --> 01:31:28,050 Did a drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, 1419 01:31:28,830 --> 01:31:29,190 drop. 1420 01:31:30,930 --> 01:31:31,920 Cut it up man. 1421 01:31:42,420 --> 01:31:43,350 fast 1422 01:31:47,790 --> 01:31:49,530 fast fast. 1423 01:31:52,410 --> 01:31:53,250 Fast 1424 01:31:54,479 --> 01:32:02,279 drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, 1425 01:32:02,909 --> 01:32:03,239 drip. 1426 01:32:05,700 --> 01:32:12,420 Laser precision surgical. 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