1 00:00:00,359 --> 00:00:04,589 podcasting 2.0 for December 4 2020, this is episode number 2 00:00:04,589 --> 00:00:07,499 14. We've got stats and facts. 3 00:00:11,609 --> 00:00:12,629 No the board meeting 4 00:00:14,070 --> 00:00:17,670 on another Friday looking at what's been going on with 5 00:00:17,670 --> 00:00:22,140 podcasting 2.0 I'm Adam curry in Austin, Texas and that guy you 6 00:00:22,140 --> 00:00:25,920 see over there the Brad Pitt look like it's the guy for 7 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,560 breakfast, Mr. Dave Jones. 8 00:00:29,610 --> 00:00:30,150 Wow. 9 00:00:31,710 --> 00:00:36,720 This is a special is such a very special episode of podcasting. 10 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:38,760 2.0 I'm really excited to be here. 11 00:00:38,790 --> 00:00:41,010 What makes it so special just because you're here. 12 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:49,170 You don't remember. This is the this is the 14th with a 14 week 13 00:00:49,170 --> 00:00:50,100 anniversary of 14 00:00:52,170 --> 00:00:55,770 Oh, honey, I forgot our 14 week aversary I'm so sorry. 15 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,630 It's like when you're when your girlfriend or whatever it is. 16 00:01:00,660 --> 00:01:04,290 Yeah, the young love girlfriends like you don't you don't 17 00:01:04,290 --> 00:01:06,930 remember this is the first place we watched the sunset together. 18 00:01:08,550 --> 00:01:14,400 I remember those. But I often Yeah, if I mess up on the on the 19 00:01:14,460 --> 00:01:18,990 month of bursaries. What don't you remember this is this was 20 00:01:18,990 --> 00:01:22,620 our first date that was that day, like down to the day? Yeah. 21 00:01:22,830 --> 00:01:26,130 Like, well, I can't remember how many years ago and I remember I 22 00:01:26,130 --> 00:01:28,890 remember the date. But I don't remember the you know, the exact 23 00:01:28,890 --> 00:01:29,880 day, 24 00:01:30,179 --> 00:01:32,759 I get a little fuzzy when we get when we had to start parsing 25 00:01:32,759 --> 00:01:33,809 time time zones. 26 00:01:34,890 --> 00:01:38,850 Exactly. Was that in Lake Como in Italy? Darling. I'm sorry. I 27 00:01:38,850 --> 00:01:41,820 forgot. I really can't recall the time zones. 28 00:01:44,100 --> 00:01:49,320 For 1414 weeks into this and we're we're cruising we 29 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:54,150 are. We are in cruising. I am. I am so jacked about a number of 30 00:01:54,150 --> 00:01:58,140 things that are happening right now. And the first he jacked 31 00:01:58,140 --> 00:02:02,880 about what I was jacked about right off the bat is I the 32 00:02:02,940 --> 00:02:08,880 community chapter idea. with, you know, for, for chapters, and 33 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,420 I'm taking the two apps that that are implement or have 34 00:02:12,690 --> 00:02:16,050 implemented chapters that works for me, in this case is hyper 35 00:02:16,050 --> 00:02:21,420 catcher, and pod friend, because it's like an additional 36 00:02:21,420 --> 00:02:27,900 slideshow to the actual podcast. And I found one of our producers 37 00:02:27,900 --> 00:02:33,480 of the no agenda show. Sir, now, Duke Dred Scott, and he raised 38 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:37,470 his hand and he said, Actually, he I think he because I'd said 39 00:02:37,470 --> 00:02:40,170 on the show, Hey, can you help out with some chapters? Yeah, 40 00:02:40,170 --> 00:02:44,550 just kind of off the cuff type thing. Grab, grab hyper capture, 41 00:02:44,550 --> 00:02:46,800 and I think I tweeted at once or twice, and a couple people 42 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,160 checked it out. Because in hyper capture, you can actually add 43 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:54,330 chapters while listening to the show, which is such a, it seems 44 00:02:54,330 --> 00:02:59,670 like such a simple concept that you use the same application for 45 00:02:59,670 --> 00:03:03,540 viewing listening as you do for editing and for adding. Sounds 46 00:03:03,540 --> 00:03:06,330 really nice. Yeah. And so that shows up in the back end. Now my 47 00:03:06,330 --> 00:03:10,470 problem is after three and a half hours, you know, I can just 48 00:03:10,470 --> 00:03:13,860 now barely remember after doing the feed and all this crap, 49 00:03:13,860 --> 00:03:16,380 which comes after, you know, post production, and I need to 50 00:03:16,380 --> 00:03:18,540 get my stuff out quick, you know, I can't wait around for a 51 00:03:18,540 --> 00:03:24,030 couple days. You know, I can drag it over to otter.ai to get 52 00:03:24,030 --> 00:03:26,430 the transcript rolling, which have to remember to come back 53 00:03:26,430 --> 00:03:30,570 because it takes a couple hours. But then it's like if I'm gonna 54 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,710 do chapters like now I can't I'm sick of myself. I can't hear 55 00:03:34,710 --> 00:03:38,070 myself and go listen for another three and a half hours. I tried 56 00:03:38,070 --> 00:03:40,950 writing down time codes. No, none of it works. And I just 57 00:03:40,950 --> 00:03:43,860 don't i don't have that capacity. It breaks your rule of 58 00:03:43,860 --> 00:03:49,260 no post. Well, exactly. I yeah, certainly no editing, you know, 59 00:03:49,530 --> 00:03:52,440 anything, just, you know, patching it up and getting it 60 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:59,580 out. So he had I think he showed up on podcast index dot social. 61 00:04:00,210 --> 00:04:04,050 And he had a question about the hyper chat app and David was 62 00:04:04,050 --> 00:04:06,840 helping him out and then I sent him a DM I said, you know, bro, 63 00:04:07,500 --> 00:04:10,290 do you want to just get you know, get an account so you can 64 00:04:10,290 --> 00:04:14,190 manage the whole thing and then you can add images and go crazy 65 00:04:14,190 --> 00:04:17,160 with it. And he said, Oh yeah, sure. I'd love to do that. So 66 00:04:17,460 --> 00:04:20,490 now what's happened if you look at the last two no agenda 67 00:04:20,490 --> 00:04:25,650 episodes Holy crap, it's filled with images funny stuff, phone 68 00:04:25,650 --> 00:04:29,670 boy is adding his no agenda quotes with time codes, all of 69 00:04:29,670 --> 00:04:34,200 this fantastic. additional content that's being put in and 70 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,980 anybody can contribute. So you know, anyone can still get hyper 71 00:04:37,980 --> 00:04:40,890 capture and I think Martin may be working on this for pod 72 00:04:40,890 --> 00:04:43,590 friend. I think that it somehow it should be some kind of 73 00:04:43,590 --> 00:04:47,400 requirement that you that you are able to this even just a 74 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:51,210 small bits of feedback. It makes your app very unique. 75 00:04:51,930 --> 00:04:52,890 I'm looking at it right now. 76 00:04:52,890 --> 00:04:55,200 And I thought of another thing and I think he 77 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,470 knows bill Frank for Microsoft being 78 00:05:00,329 --> 00:05:02,579 See, I mean, there you go, you're laughing because it's 79 00:05:02,579 --> 00:05:06,389 funny additional content. I love that when people can contribute 80 00:05:06,389 --> 00:05:12,689 in that way. And I was thinking, since just as an aside, because 81 00:05:12,689 --> 00:05:15,779 you know, the chapters, it's like, Alright, if you're just 82 00:05:15,779 --> 00:05:18,779 listening and you look at the screen, a funny image pops up. 83 00:05:19,019 --> 00:05:22,469 And you could do to time code and the host could even refer to 84 00:05:22,469 --> 00:05:26,249 it, or, you know, you can use it as Oh, I want to, you know, skip 85 00:05:26,249 --> 00:05:30,359 ahead to this segment, you can tap on it. Well, if a if a 86 00:05:30,359 --> 00:05:34,379 podcast app already has the transcript, can't you then also 87 00:05:34,379 --> 00:05:37,349 in the app, should you be able to perform a search on that 88 00:05:37,349 --> 00:05:42,149 transcript, which I would say presumably, is already sucked 89 00:05:42,149 --> 00:05:46,499 in? I don't know if the app does it progressively. Or if they 90 00:05:46,499 --> 00:05:50,849 suck, if it downloads the whole SRT file? I mean, the Can you 91 00:05:50,849 --> 00:05:54,299 then say, I'm searching for this, and then it says, okay, 92 00:05:54,629 --> 00:05:57,959 tears, five time codes, where that comes up. And here's a 93 00:05:57,959 --> 00:06:01,109 sentence and you just tap it into goes to that spot in the, 94 00:06:01,349 --> 00:06:03,029 in the, in the podcast, 95 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:09,360 that's complicated. And that that's requires database, full 96 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:15,360 text search. So you would need something like Elastic Search 97 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:22,020 server, or we Sphinx, there's a few different Full Text Search 98 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,920 server products out there, you know, open source and various 99 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,170 things. But you have to have something like that, because the 100 00:06:28,170 --> 00:06:32,040 transcript is humongous. And if you're talking about, you know, 101 00:06:32,070 --> 00:06:36,510 lots and lots of transcripts, that's going to get big real 102 00:06:36,510 --> 00:06:40,860 fast. Now, I mean, it's sort of the same problem with the person 103 00:06:40,860 --> 00:06:45,000 search, because you end up having to vacuum up all of the 104 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:52,140 description fields of every of every episode. And I mean, you 105 00:06:52,140 --> 00:06:58,320 see a 50 million 50 million episodes, and potentially and 106 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:00,480 let's just, you know, some percentage of them have a 107 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:01,410 transcript and 108 00:07:01,980 --> 00:07:06,900 they can't we just put this on the blockchain. Yeah. Shame. 109 00:07:06,930 --> 00:07:08,640 Come on, fix at all. 110 00:07:09,060 --> 00:07:11,100 It doesn't even matter which blockchain just the blockchain, 111 00:07:11,130 --> 00:07:14,790 the blockchain, just the blockchain, put it on there. You 112 00:07:14,790 --> 00:07:14,970 don't 113 00:07:14,970 --> 00:07:17,130 have to put it on there. You just say you're going to and 114 00:07:17,130 --> 00:07:18,840 then, okay, I think is fixed. 115 00:07:20,100 --> 00:07:23,250 So in my simpletons, so I understand what you're saying. 116 00:07:23,550 --> 00:07:26,190 And I was immediately thinking while you were speaking, is this 117 00:07:26,190 --> 00:07:28,500 something the index could provide? But now I'm like, holy 118 00:07:28,500 --> 00:07:32,190 crap, no, no, this, this could be a huge additional project, 119 00:07:32,310 --> 00:07:35,910 which I think is basically what Apple is now trying to do with 120 00:07:35,910 --> 00:07:37,980 their transcripts. Yeah, 121 00:07:38,010 --> 00:07:40,080 they're making that search. They're doing it from the full 122 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,530 audio, the way they're meant to tell me if I'm wrong, but I 123 00:07:43,530 --> 00:07:48,240 think they are actually doing the speech to text conversion to 124 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:52,200 get the transcript, and then they're parsing, like they're 125 00:07:52,410 --> 00:07:56,100 indexing that I don't even think you have to have a transcript in 126 00:07:56,100 --> 00:07:57,330 your, in your feed. 127 00:07:57,420 --> 00:07:59,010 Oh, fuck those guys. 128 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,280 Well, but see, but I think it's gonna, but it's gonna be crap 129 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,980 anyway, because, like, if they're using the same if 130 00:08:04,980 --> 00:08:08,580 they're using the same speech to taste technology that Siri uses, 131 00:08:08,850 --> 00:08:10,590 that's not an exciting future. 132 00:08:11,580 --> 00:08:15,690 No, but even hotter, does a pretty crappy job at a lot of 133 00:08:15,690 --> 00:08:19,500 the transcripts, you know, it's all kind of minimal. It's just I 134 00:08:19,500 --> 00:08:23,520 know how easy it is. Here's the quote, here's how I'm equating 135 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:28,440 it in my head. If I go to, if I go to the show notes for no 136 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:33,420 agenda show, I have copy pasted the transcript file into that 137 00:08:33,420 --> 00:08:37,140 page in the outline. And you can do an on page search. And it'll 138 00:08:37,170 --> 00:08:42,120 it'll, it'll basically highlight where that hit is. And it's, 139 00:08:42,180 --> 00:08:46,710 it's, of course, it's not regex. It's just a pure JavaScript on 140 00:08:46,710 --> 00:08:51,180 the page search is very, very fucking basic. So it can, you 141 00:08:51,180 --> 00:08:53,640 know, it'll pick up words that are separated by another word, 142 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:57,990 but that's about it. And then there's the time code. And so I 143 00:08:57,990 --> 00:09:01,020 do that, if I want to find something in a particular 144 00:09:01,020 --> 00:09:07,020 episode, I go to that page, I do a Ctrl F, and I search for the 145 00:09:07,020 --> 00:09:10,290 words, it's just an on page JavaScript search, I see the 146 00:09:10,290 --> 00:09:13,770 time code, then I go to my app, or play or whatever I am. And I 147 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:17,460 forward to that timecode. And I'm thinking, well, this is 148 00:09:17,460 --> 00:09:20,670 dumb, because this can be this obviously, this can be 149 00:09:20,670 --> 00:09:24,270 automated. And I was just wondering if it's possible in 150 00:09:24,270 --> 00:09:28,290 that rudimentary fashion, so not an overall search across all of 151 00:09:28,290 --> 00:09:31,830 these things, but in one episode, I just want to search 152 00:09:31,830 --> 00:09:36,450 that one SRT file and then be able to click on that one time 153 00:09:36,450 --> 00:09:39,570 code in that one podcast that I'm playing at that moment, if I 154 00:09:39,570 --> 00:09:43,050 switch podcast, it flushes the cache of the SRT 155 00:09:43,560 --> 00:09:47,250 Okay, okay and understand you now because typically as a 156 00:09:47,250 --> 00:09:50,670 typical it the developer whatever you want to call it, 157 00:09:50,670 --> 00:09:53,100 me Yeah, you first you said it's difficult and then you made it 158 00:09:53,100 --> 00:09:55,470 sound like only you could do it and then it was gonna cost me a 159 00:09:55,470 --> 00:09:56,640 lot of money. Yes, that was 160 00:09:58,530 --> 00:10:04,140 exactly Do warp 8.40 161 00:10:04,140 --> 00:10:04,560 Wait, they 162 00:10:04,560 --> 00:10:10,350 can. This is exactly what it is. This is why CEOs fail because 163 00:10:10,350 --> 00:10:12,450 they don't understand this one dynamic. 164 00:10:13,439 --> 00:10:16,349 Never set, you never tell them exactly how long it's gonna 165 00:10:16,349 --> 00:10:19,139 take, you know, it's just gonna cause you always overshoot. And 166 00:10:19,139 --> 00:10:21,089 then when you come in under it your hero, 167 00:10:21,149 --> 00:10:23,609 it's good to have an edible before the show. This is 168 00:10:26,370 --> 00:10:30,360 I think, no, I see what you mean now. So like that. Yeah, yeah. 169 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,670 Cuz then you're just talking about like a straight, you know, 170 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,300 I don't know how many thousands of lines? Right. That's that's 171 00:10:36,300 --> 00:10:36,540 the 172 00:10:37,170 --> 00:10:40,740 thinking. Because what I've noticed, and this is my job is 173 00:10:40,740 --> 00:10:48,270 to notice these things. Is that the the thrill? The I'm going to 174 00:10:48,270 --> 00:10:51,240 use the word I don't use it lightly the awesomeness of 175 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:56,430 podcasting 2.0. is these interactions you do with the 176 00:10:56,430 --> 00:11:03,210 app? Yes, that's, that's like Boehner time, because we're 177 00:11:03,540 --> 00:11:10,110 double cream. So where this really shines, both in 178 00:11:10,140 --> 00:11:19,200 excitement in a dopamine rush, and in actual value, which we'll 179 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:25,680 be talking about in actual digital money. boosting is 180 00:11:25,710 --> 00:11:31,170 phenomenal. I mean, yeah, so especially when people also 181 00:11:31,230 --> 00:11:34,200 listening to a podcast, if you haven't done this, if you listen 182 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,990 to the show, for the first time, get seeds you can get on Sphinx 183 00:11:37,020 --> 00:11:42,120 chat, Sphinx dot chat, and then find some of these podcast 184 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:47,970 tribes. Because you can boost as a as a seal of approval, a 185 00:11:47,970 --> 00:11:51,420 number your discretion, which is part of the fun. I used to have 186 00:11:51,870 --> 00:11:57,300 1337 for leet. And then I saw my wallet dwindling, and I changed 187 00:11:57,300 --> 00:11:58,860 it for a four shot. That 188 00:12:00,780 --> 00:12:05,100 was a great one. Thank you. And it's very identified. Marty, 189 00:12:05,130 --> 00:12:10,500 that tells from over to the no agenda tribe in did 13 Oh, yes, 190 00:12:10,500 --> 00:12:10,590 I 191 00:12:10,590 --> 00:12:14,670 saw that. I saw that. I saw that. And what's crazy, I saw it 192 00:12:14,670 --> 00:12:18,300 come in on the index node, you know, the one percentage? Yeah, 193 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:22,140 like what is going on here? This is, that was beautiful. It's 194 00:12:22,140 --> 00:12:26,250 beautiful. But it's that stuff. And then that being of some 195 00:12:26,250 --> 00:12:32,490 value for analysis for the podcaster. So in the in the 196 00:12:32,490 --> 00:12:36,540 chapters case, it's Oh, my God, this is, you know, look at all 197 00:12:36,540 --> 00:12:41,340 this cool additional crap that was just created. In the book, 198 00:12:41,340 --> 00:12:45,990 we talked about the transcripts, which gives the listener 199 00:12:45,990 --> 00:12:48,930 something to do like, I'm looking for this. And by the 200 00:12:48,930 --> 00:12:52,200 way, I'm a heavy user of this, because I'm always looking for 201 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,650 what we're talking about, I gotta go find this. And it's a 202 00:12:55,650 --> 00:12:59,640 huge value. For you, 203 00:12:59,970 --> 00:13:04,650 it could be a value for other. Okay, so just think about, yeah, 204 00:13:04,650 --> 00:13:06,990 no, no agendas, unique situation, because you have an 205 00:13:06,990 --> 00:13:09,060 army of producers that most 206 00:13:09,150 --> 00:13:13,050 isn't really, you know, core, is that what podcasting? 2.0 is? 207 00:13:13,710 --> 00:13:16,200 Yes, I think that's Yeah, okay. It's a good point. Because 208 00:13:16,230 --> 00:13:20,970 podcasting 2.0 the whole paradigm could mean what we're 209 00:13:20,970 --> 00:13:23,520 trying to do we talk about it in terms of our you know, value for 210 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:27,330 value, and in, in flipping that model in and you get, you get 211 00:13:27,330 --> 00:13:30,390 kind of sidetracked into the money part of value for value. 212 00:13:30,690 --> 00:13:36,720 But if, if, if our goal is to revolutionize podcasting, into 213 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,780 podcasting, 2.0 across the board, yep. And that would 214 00:13:39,780 --> 00:13:43,860 encompass like every show, having a small or some various 215 00:13:43,860 --> 00:13:47,580 size army of producers that are related, are able to do those 216 00:13:47,580 --> 00:13:47,970 things. 217 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:56,610 I speak from some modicum of standing, that every podcast has 218 00:13:56,970 --> 00:14:01,590 listeners who are doing stuff for that show, which I just for, 219 00:14:02,010 --> 00:14:07,050 for simplicity, say they're a producer, whether it's promoting 220 00:14:07,050 --> 00:14:10,890 the show, this is, you know, you should be able to wish in, you 221 00:14:10,890 --> 00:14:14,880 know, in most podcast apps, hey, I can promote this at this time 222 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:20,610 code. And I can tweet it right away. And, you know, you get in 223 00:14:20,610 --> 00:14:24,120 one case, you get Martin, snazzy little timeline player, which is 224 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:28,710 just a piece of joy. You know, these are all differentiating 225 00:14:28,710 --> 00:14:32,970 factors of cool features that you can do with this app, that 226 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:38,340 that helps out. So these people just like Dred Scott, you know, 227 00:14:38,340 --> 00:14:40,500 there's always going to be someone who raises their hand 228 00:14:40,500 --> 00:14:43,080 and says, Yeah, I'll do some chapters. And you know what, he 229 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,650 might burn out? They usually do. And then there's five other 230 00:14:46,650 --> 00:14:49,620 people who will jump in and maybe he'll come back and you 231 00:14:49,620 --> 00:14:54,840 know, that, that I'm not worried about that at all. In fact, I 232 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:59,370 see it as a necessary part of expanding what we're doing Is 233 00:14:59,370 --> 00:15:04,380 this okay? Other media ecosystem has this. 234 00:15:05,819 --> 00:15:08,999 Well, that's the strength of. It's interesting because that 235 00:15:08,999 --> 00:15:12,299 that is the strength of podcasting. And one of the 236 00:15:12,299 --> 00:15:18,689 differentiators of podcasting from other forms of media is the 237 00:15:18,719 --> 00:15:25,289 direct engagement between the podcast and the podcaster. And 238 00:15:25,289 --> 00:15:28,139 the audience. Like there can there's a level of engagement 239 00:15:28,139 --> 00:15:31,289 there that just doesn't exist in really any other form of media, 240 00:15:31,559 --> 00:15:34,139 you see it a little bit when you get like a little bit of a 241 00:15:34,139 --> 00:15:38,729 popular was it morning Dr. Show, in a certain in a certain 242 00:15:38,729 --> 00:15:42,179 market, and you don't get a tribe of people who are, you 243 00:15:42,179 --> 00:15:44,879 know, like in trying to engage with the show, but there's 244 00:15:44,879 --> 00:15:47,849 really, there's not, there's a limit, you can't do much. I 245 00:15:47,849 --> 00:15:51,269 mean, because it's really audio only. And there's, there's 246 00:15:51,269 --> 00:15:54,929 limited avenues for interaction to come back to the podcast or 247 00:15:54,929 --> 00:15:58,589 from that, excuse me back to the radio host from that tribe. 248 00:15:58,979 --> 00:16:01,829 Well, in this regard, you have it's interact, it's it's 249 00:16:02,099 --> 00:16:03,419 internet native. So it's 250 00:16:03,420 --> 00:16:06,690 built into it, it's built into it. And you know, and the 251 00:16:06,690 --> 00:16:11,040 simplest of simple things like tapping on Periscope and sending 252 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:18,150 hearts, or, you know, likes or super chats on YouTube, which 253 00:16:18,180 --> 00:16:22,860 involves actual money. These are all interactive features that 254 00:16:22,860 --> 00:16:28,950 have a playback feature as well, which is really cool. And one 255 00:16:28,950 --> 00:16:34,020 thing I know is should be possible, is regardless of of 256 00:16:34,020 --> 00:16:37,200 how the value was flowing, if we're talking about the 257 00:16:37,230 --> 00:16:42,210 lightning, network payments, case and payments, it can be 258 00:16:42,210 --> 00:16:49,140 compiled into something for everyone to use as, like a 259 00:16:49,140 --> 00:16:53,580 timeline. So no matter where it's coming from, I should be 260 00:16:53,580 --> 00:16:58,320 able to tell if someone has boosted of certain segments on 261 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:02,910 my show, from any random app. And I should be able to say, oh, 262 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:07,110 someone like this right here. Whether whether an app will will 263 00:17:07,110 --> 00:17:09,690 play that back for me, such as the Sphinx chat, where you can 264 00:17:09,690 --> 00:17:12,570 go back and you can start the podcast and you see exactly 265 00:17:12,570 --> 00:17:18,210 where everyone boasted. I mean, these are very valuable 266 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,700 interactions between the audience and the and the 267 00:17:20,700 --> 00:17:21,360 Creator. 268 00:17:21,810 --> 00:17:25,710 What I would love to say, I don't know if you saw the Mitch 269 00:17:25,740 --> 00:17:31,710 Downey from pod verse had some comments on mastodon and he was 270 00:17:31,710 --> 00:17:35,040 talking about sound bites, when 271 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:37,980 that's my next that's my next thing. I'm gonna hound people 272 00:17:37,980 --> 00:17:40,110 for to create those sound bite. Yeah, 273 00:17:40,110 --> 00:17:43,110 yeah. And he was talking about, Well, why don't we just pull 274 00:17:43,140 --> 00:17:47,550 the two chapters in sound bites? I saw that I was like, Oh, well, 275 00:17:47,550 --> 00:17:51,000 that's fucking smart. Because you should do it anyway, just by 276 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,610 ending, but in tag right or length 277 00:17:53,850 --> 00:17:57,390 behind just put your just take, just take your your sound bites 278 00:17:57,870 --> 00:18:00,810 out of you know, and he just published your sound bites as a 279 00:18:00,810 --> 00:18:03,480 chapters file. And then it's just like, boom, boom, you know, 280 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:04,560 you can have as many as you want. 281 00:18:04,590 --> 00:18:07,710 But could you also, could you also publish your chapters file 282 00:18:07,710 --> 00:18:08,790 as a sound bites file? 283 00:18:09,900 --> 00:18:11,430 Those no sound bites file? It's just, 284 00:18:12,390 --> 00:18:16,860 yeah, it's just URLs and time or time codes and duration. Yeah. 285 00:18:17,220 --> 00:18:20,790 Right. So, but I guess what I'm asking is, will it be 286 00:18:20,790 --> 00:18:21,750 interchangeable? 287 00:18:23,430 --> 00:18:26,760 Should be Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if he had if he had, because you 288 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,970 can have as many sound bites as you want. So if you had, 289 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,820 because I would, the reason why I asked because I wouldn't mind 290 00:18:33,300 --> 00:18:38,640 as an option, being able to toggle the image off on a 291 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,570 chapter after X amount of time, or at a certain time code. 292 00:18:42,780 --> 00:18:45,750 Because after a while, it's just you know, if the next chapter 293 00:18:45,750 --> 00:18:49,980 Mark isn't, until 45 minutes later, and I'm still looking at, 294 00:18:50,850 --> 00:18:57,630 you know, at a Gina haspel. Dead or Alive. I mean, that gets a 295 00:18:57,630 --> 00:19:00,630 little annoying, I would maybe could switch back to the default 296 00:19:00,660 --> 00:19:04,770 image after you could set a just as long as you can set an out 297 00:19:04,770 --> 00:19:05,880 time. That's kind of cool. 298 00:19:06,060 --> 00:19:08,640 Yeah, there's an end time in the change bag. Oh, there is well, 299 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:13,200 then we're done. It's, it's optional. But it makes most of 300 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,150 these systems are gonna be automated. So it should be 301 00:19:15,150 --> 00:19:19,590 fairly quick to put it in there. And then the apps just as 302 00:19:19,590 --> 00:19:22,320 they're consuming, and, you know, they just, they just go 303 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,020 out at that point. I've done something to wake up hyper 304 00:19:25,020 --> 00:19:27,420 capture on my phone when I looked at it earlier, because 305 00:19:27,420 --> 00:19:31,170 it's just, it's sending me note push notifications of bookmarks. 306 00:19:31,530 --> 00:19:33,510 Like, as they're added, I guess, 307 00:19:33,870 --> 00:19:36,420 also just hyper catch. Oh, that's cool. you're logged in. 308 00:19:36,420 --> 00:19:39,150 So it's sending you the notifications that someone did a 309 00:19:39,150 --> 00:19:39,750 chapter. 310 00:19:40,140 --> 00:19:42,570 Yeah, and I got it. I got a push notification that said John's 311 00:19:42,570 --> 00:19:50,220 cream, sex. Evidently the title of one of the bookmarks, and so 312 00:19:50,220 --> 00:19:53,070 of course, I had to click on that. Like there's 313 00:19:53,100 --> 00:19:55,710 Yeah, I'm getting wait. So like you're getting notification 314 00:19:55,710 --> 00:20:00,540 notifications of podcasts. you subscribe to this. No one puts a 315 00:20:00,540 --> 00:20:04,860 chapter marker in. Yeah. Holy fuck. Excuse me. That's 316 00:20:04,860 --> 00:20:06,960 fantastic. I didn't know it did that. 317 00:20:07,290 --> 00:20:08,400 Yeah, I've got like, Oh, 318 00:20:08,850 --> 00:20:12,240 shit. So you get notification from the community. They've 319 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:20,220 added a bookmark. Evidently. Oh, man. This is what I'm talking 320 00:20:20,220 --> 00:20:22,560 about. All right, we're our work is done here. 321 00:20:22,770 --> 00:20:24,930 Of course. not stopping. 322 00:20:25,620 --> 00:20:30,030 Alright, so good to know because I'm gonna, I'm gonna see how I 323 00:20:30,030 --> 00:20:33,210 was as this soundbite is implemented, right that. 324 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:38,610 Okay. So is implemented it like, yes, it's implemented and is 325 00:20:38,610 --> 00:20:41,070 being used. I'm looking at the tables on the exact 326 00:20:41,070 --> 00:20:42,150 same JSON. 327 00:20:42,900 --> 00:20:47,280 No, no, no sound standbys, purely an XML tag? There isn't 328 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:51,600 there's no JSON component to it at all. So it exists, it exists 329 00:20:51,630 --> 00:20:57,360 in the feed. Whereas the Trent transcripts and chapters, but 330 00:20:57,660 --> 00:21:00,570 the tag references an external JSON file. 331 00:21:01,170 --> 00:21:07,110 Okay, ah, okay, so how are those two interchangeable, then? Well, 332 00:21:07,110 --> 00:21:11,940 if you had an if you, you could come? Well, it'd be 333 00:21:11,940 --> 00:21:16,770 interchangeable Not, not within the feed itself. But you can you 334 00:21:16,770 --> 00:21:19,590 do the conversion, you know, you go back and forth in software. 335 00:21:20,340 --> 00:21:24,060 It Like, like, what Mitch is doing is he's putting as he's 336 00:21:24,060 --> 00:21:26,880 pulling in sound bites. And as people are creating sound bites 337 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:33,300 in pod verse. He outputs them as a chapters file as a JSON file. 338 00:21:33,330 --> 00:21:35,640 Oh, okay. I 339 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,500 get it. I got it. Yeah. So you just 340 00:21:38,940 --> 00:21:40,620 because they're roughly equivalent in their 341 00:21:40,620 --> 00:21:43,980 specifications, even though they're not really intended for 342 00:21:43,980 --> 00:21:45,660 the same purpose, right. 343 00:21:45,870 --> 00:21:48,330 But the time codes all match up if you want to? 344 00:21:48,750 --> 00:21:51,420 Yes, that's right. Yeah. And you and instead of doing a start 345 00:21:51,420 --> 00:21:53,670 cut, start time and a duration, you should just start timing in 346 00:21:53,670 --> 00:21:56,430 in time, which is easy, because you just add the duration to the 347 00:21:56,430 --> 00:21:59,130 start time and there's your income. And 348 00:21:59,430 --> 00:22:04,920 user. Okay, so the conversion. So if I had that in, in the 349 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,260 freedom controller, I could start adding that manually 350 00:22:07,260 --> 00:22:12,060 myself. the click of a button. Okay. Well, I have to talk to my 351 00:22:12,150 --> 00:22:18,780 my roadie, yeah. Don't Don't bother. He's tuning guitars. 352 00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:19,500 Yes. 353 00:22:20,940 --> 00:22:26,280 He's really busy. There's 6785, transcripts and database 354 00:22:27,030 --> 00:22:31,320 currently in there, or just clicking through here and 355 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:37,410 looking at stats. There's 30,600 chapter files in the database. 356 00:22:37,650 --> 00:22:40,710 Okay. That's a good metric. That's a good metric to look at 357 00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:41,340 over time. 358 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:47,520 5946 sound bites? Not bad. That's not bad at all. I 359 00:22:47,700 --> 00:22:51,870 really didn't. I see someone had an idea to create a feed or 360 00:22:51,870 --> 00:22:54,330 something out of just the sound bites. 361 00:22:54,360 --> 00:22:56,520 Yeah. That was really cool. I like 362 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,400 that idea. Has anyone did that wind up getting done? Is that Is 363 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:00,510 there an end point for that? 364 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,990 No, no, there's an input for the soundbite. Yeah, you can, you 365 00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:06,810 can subscribe to the sound bytes endpoint. And it just every time 366 00:23:06,810 --> 00:23:09,870 there's a new one that pops up in the system. Cool. You get it? 367 00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:14,370 Oh, cool. That would be a great virtual virtual feed to 368 00:23:14,370 --> 00:23:16,290 subscribe to subscribe to it. Yeah. 369 00:23:16,620 --> 00:23:21,180 Yeah. You can just leverage how do we do this? Is it done yet? 370 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,410 Yes. Does it work yet? Dave? Over there. Yeah. 371 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,860 I was on. Frederick dormans. podcast. 372 00:23:31,950 --> 00:23:35,100 Yes. I was going to ask you how that went. This is great. Yeah. 373 00:23:35,190 --> 00:23:40,080 Now you're. I just want to say yeah, you're real podcaster. No, 374 00:23:40,110 --> 00:23:44,490 go. Yeah. Oh, yes. Your mo Yeah. And certainly for a dude named 375 00:23:44,490 --> 00:23:46,170 Ben. Man. You talk well. 376 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:55,830 Well, that is the dead. And you smell less than you straddled 377 00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:56,730 that so good. 378 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,980 No, you really do. You're a natural podcaster. And you look, 379 00:24:01,980 --> 00:24:04,560 you're the guy who has the donation set. You got the clips. 380 00:24:04,590 --> 00:24:08,340 I'm just like, I'm your roadie here. No showing up to the 381 00:24:08,370 --> 00:24:09,180 party. 382 00:24:09,390 --> 00:24:12,180 I saw one. I think I know what I saw. One is I saw 383 00:24:12,180 --> 00:24:13,020 one. Okay. 384 00:24:13,050 --> 00:24:15,210 Thank you. Um, and it's so annoying. 385 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,370 What did you say the beginning? 386 00:24:17,970 --> 00:24:20,220 I keep saying, um, and it's so annoying. 387 00:24:20,700 --> 00:24:23,490 Oh, back up. And it's so annoying. 388 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,690 I'm the king of that. It's just a bridge. 389 00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:32,760 I'm trying. I'm trying to do better. I feel like I did better 390 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,650 on on Frederick's podcast it was. 391 00:24:35,670 --> 00:24:38,760 Tell me about Frederick's podcast. That was great. Well, 392 00:24:38,940 --> 00:24:41,160 it was it was the name of the but it's not called Frederick's 393 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,050 podcast is it and 394 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:48,240 it is not called fresh cast. In. embarrassingly, I 395 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,700 don't know what the title is. But I can for purposes of this 396 00:24:50,700 --> 00:24:53,070 show, it'll be known as Frederick's podcast 397 00:24:53,250 --> 00:24:54,660 is Frederick's podcast. I have 398 00:24:54,660 --> 00:24:56,760 to put a link in the show notes. So we'll look that up. 399 00:24:57,330 --> 00:25:05,070 What I don't know this time. Got it. Yeah, now I can't be Fred 400 00:25:05,070 --> 00:25:10,590 draping it. Yeah, he's literally looking at Frederick 401 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,120 flippin Frederick. 402 00:25:13,230 --> 00:25:15,990 If only there was a place on the internet, you could go to look 403 00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:17,430 up podcasts. 404 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,530 Let me see. This is sad. Dave Jones. 405 00:25:23,130 --> 00:25:27,900 Okay, all right. I've got it I'm now I'm redeeming myself because 406 00:25:28,350 --> 00:25:35,100 this what we have in the index is a thing called doormen calm 407 00:25:35,100 --> 00:25:37,560 podcasts. That's the title of it. 408 00:25:37,890 --> 00:25:38,640 Really. 409 00:25:39,810 --> 00:25:46,110 But that can't be right because there's no episodes is Borman DJ 410 00:25:46,110 --> 00:25:54,270 o r e. m A in Frederick. I'm saying Bjorkman. Right that. And 411 00:25:54,300 --> 00:25:55,710 I think that's the right pronounce this 412 00:25:55,710 --> 00:26:00,390 one episode from 2013. Yeah, but that can't be right. can't be 413 00:26:00,390 --> 00:26:00,720 right. 414 00:26:00,810 --> 00:26:07,320 Oh, here it is. Okay, I got it. It's called cut snack. That's my 415 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,690 Swedish. Cut. Yeah. Okay. 416 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:10,920 And how do you spell that? 417 00:26:11,309 --> 00:26:14,489 KOD is in a ck. 418 00:26:15,420 --> 00:26:19,740 cod snack. cod snack. This is Swedish. 419 00:26:20,190 --> 00:26:22,320 Is that hey, is that your cod snack 420 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:23,160 and English? 421 00:26:23,549 --> 00:26:27,149 Yeah, also the letter? Yes. Okay. Dino Swedish. 422 00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:29,790 I just said that the only thing I know he else could 423 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:31,770 use a cousin Agnes. 424 00:26:32,069 --> 00:26:35,399 caught that new two. I know two things in Swedish now yellow sky 425 00:26:35,399 --> 00:26:38,939 and cod snack and cousin egg. So you're not on it. This is not on 426 00:26:38,969 --> 00:26:40,109 yet. cod snack. 427 00:26:40,319 --> 00:26:42,479 Now. He said it would drop on 1215 428 00:26:42,539 --> 00:26:47,759 No, no, it's gonna drop a nice Oh, yes. Drop it like is hot. 429 00:26:48,809 --> 00:26:51,479 What is this show about a podcast by developers about 430 00:26:51,479 --> 00:26:54,029 anything interesting to developers. So let me guess. 431 00:26:54,179 --> 00:26:57,149 Yeah, you talks about developing. These are real 432 00:26:57,149 --> 00:26:57,959 developers. 433 00:26:58,050 --> 00:27:00,000 Okay, these are fake. These are not 434 00:27:00,030 --> 00:27:03,030 like the phoneys over podcast indie. Yeah. 435 00:27:04,380 --> 00:27:07,020 These aren't it guys. They pretend to be. These are like 436 00:27:07,020 --> 00:27:10,410 real ones. Oh, whoo. Okay. I was out of my league. 437 00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:13,500 I was gonna say you, you're marrying up now. I see very 438 00:27:13,500 --> 00:27:13,830 nice. 439 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,560 posnick like a punching above my weight. 440 00:27:16,890 --> 00:27:17,670 Yeah, that's it. 441 00:27:18,990 --> 00:27:22,380 But it was a great talk. And it was just me is is me and him. 442 00:27:22,380 --> 00:27:26,640 And we were all over the map. I mean, like, wait, yeah, we 443 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,550 talked about, you know, obviously programming stuff and 444 00:27:29,550 --> 00:27:33,750 index and all that stuff. But we got into COVID. And the 445 00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:37,530 difference between the mind and the brain and Oh, my. Yeah. 446 00:27:37,530 --> 00:27:39,810 Well, we were all over the map. It was great. He's He's really 447 00:27:39,810 --> 00:27:40,590 easy to talk to Craig. 448 00:27:42,180 --> 00:27:44,130 It's nice. So weird. 449 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:50,910 Well, he's the developer of the Mac chapters app. 450 00:27:51,510 --> 00:27:53,520 Ah, right. Right. Right. Right. 451 00:27:53,850 --> 00:27:58,170 Yeah. And we found each other, reached out to him and got him 452 00:27:58,170 --> 00:28:00,540 involved into into the namespace. And we were able to 453 00:28:00,540 --> 00:28:03,390 merge our chapter formats together and right. I remember 454 00:28:03,450 --> 00:28:07,860 beautiful, happy experience. And it was great. Yes. 455 00:28:09,180 --> 00:28:10,590 And they ever had a fight. 456 00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:18,330 Yeah, not yet. Beautiful. But but that gets that gets me Do we 457 00:28:18,330 --> 00:28:21,630 get we get any more namespace? Well, we get namespace stuff. We 458 00:28:21,630 --> 00:28:25,050 don't talk about a Yes, I know. This is the exciting part of the 459 00:28:25,050 --> 00:28:25,470 show. 460 00:28:25,770 --> 00:28:27,750 Yes, the pace. pays the day. Hello. 461 00:28:27,780 --> 00:28:31,410 Hello, ladies. Welcome to the namespace corner with Adam and 462 00:28:31,410 --> 00:28:35,220 Dave and we're gonna talk dirty namespace to you 463 00:28:35,850 --> 00:28:42,030 to female donors. Oh, over the last 14 weeks. And we know for a 464 00:28:42,030 --> 00:28:47,190 fact it's namespace abroad. No doubt about it. Oh, man lady. 465 00:28:48,450 --> 00:28:51,150 just heard them cancel their subscriptions. Okay. Yes. 466 00:28:52,620 --> 00:28:56,190 Well, yeah, any other nice day like I because I've got the only 467 00:28:56,190 --> 00:28:57,360 thing I've got on mine. Well, 468 00:28:58,170 --> 00:29:01,080 people is still a thing. I mean, this seems like a lingering 469 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,780 thing that hangs out there. And then we get some energy and we 470 00:29:03,780 --> 00:29:07,170 yap about it. And then it kind of goes away. Where's people 471 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,880 because people is in trouble. 472 00:29:09,450 --> 00:29:12,570 If people is in less trouble than location. 473 00:29:13,980 --> 00:29:16,830 Look, is last What can I say? 474 00:29:17,250 --> 00:29:21,690 is off the radar? Nobody can find it. People. I feel good. 475 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:27,570 Real good about people. I had a phone call. Oh, God, When was 476 00:29:27,570 --> 00:29:35,850 this? Well, we did. We talked with it. Then. From the father 477 00:29:35,850 --> 00:29:41,850 five or farside. Dan Benjamin. Dan Benjamin last week. So it 478 00:29:41,850 --> 00:29:44,700 was actually last week that I had a call from the pot with the 479 00:29:44,700 --> 00:29:45,870 pod chaser guys. 480 00:29:47,340 --> 00:29:48,240 pod chaser. 481 00:29:48,570 --> 00:29:52,620 Yeah, pod chaser. And if you look, if you look at pod chaser, 482 00:29:53,250 --> 00:29:59,430 they have a database. I think I posted it the other day. In the 483 00:29:59,430 --> 00:30:05,880 mastodons. Have a database of appearances. Oh, yeah, shows. 484 00:30:05,940 --> 00:30:09,270 Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Okay. So this is 485 00:30:09,330 --> 00:30:12,180 an external service and we're trying to integrate with them or 486 00:30:12,180 --> 00:30:13,110 be compatible. 487 00:30:13,740 --> 00:30:15,900 Well, yeah, we're trying to make sure that we're compatible 488 00:30:15,900 --> 00:30:19,740 because I mean, if you think about it, you got IMDb in places 489 00:30:19,740 --> 00:30:20,250 like that. 490 00:30:20,250 --> 00:30:22,980 You're This is this makes sense. This is definitely the I didn't 491 00:30:22,980 --> 00:30:25,770 even realize this is exactly what I did. This is great. Okay, 492 00:30:25,770 --> 00:30:26,910 yeah. Tell me what we're doing. 493 00:30:27,269 --> 00:30:31,199 Yeah. So if you see, honestly search for Adam Curry, there's 494 00:30:31,199 --> 00:30:35,819 Adam Curry that guy, and it lists all the pod fodder. 495 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:41,730 Let's see if it's any good. pod father. And guess what? fail? 496 00:30:42,090 --> 00:30:44,790 fail? Well, they clearly they suck. 497 00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:45,899 Obviously. 498 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,820 If you look at if you look at Adam Curry there, there's you. I 499 00:30:50,820 --> 00:30:52,890 mean, it shows all your appearances. You see that? 500 00:30:53,340 --> 00:30:57,240 I'm looking at him now. Let's see. Oh, yeah. I appeared on no 501 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,380 agenda buzz cast Joe Rogan two episodes. Very good. New Media 502 00:31:01,380 --> 00:31:03,270 show one episode. I think I've done two. 503 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,300 It's got you been on Adam Carolla. 504 00:31:06,420 --> 00:31:08,010 Yes, long, long time ago. 505 00:31:08,670 --> 00:31:14,310 And on Austin sessions for 2013 possible Yeah. 506 00:31:16,050 --> 00:31:19,860 Yes, no, of course, I know exactly. When that was. I've 507 00:31:19,860 --> 00:31:21,870 been on more since then. But okay. Yeah, the people aren't 508 00:31:21,870 --> 00:31:23,670 using the people, tech people are people. 509 00:31:24,210 --> 00:31:30,120 So this, like, what what this would be is a, what we're going 510 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:37,530 to recommend in the namespace tag for person is a URL link to 511 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,740 that, right there where so. So if you have a person needs to 512 00:31:40,740 --> 00:31:43,860 Adam Curry, and you also have a URL, this is pod chaser.com, 513 00:31:43,860 --> 00:31:48,300 slash creator slash Adam Curry, blah, blah, blah. Okay. It's a 514 00:31:48,300 --> 00:31:52,860 canonical sort of canonical reference to insist there may be 515 00:31:52,860 --> 00:31:57,450 more than one Adam Curry. This is the differentiator, to say 516 00:31:57,450 --> 00:32:01,350 I'm now I'm talking about this Adam Curry. And then they can 517 00:32:01,350 --> 00:32:04,500 vary. And then you also have the built in verification that 518 00:32:04,500 --> 00:32:07,560 they're doing on their back end, which is sort of their bit, you 519 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,710 know, their whole business is to do this type of stuff, where 520 00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:14,280 they do verification, that people when people say they've 521 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,560 been on a podcast that they actually were on that episode, 522 00:32:16,590 --> 00:32:19,680 okay? And alternatively, what can you link to from the people 523 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:24,240 tag, you can link to anything you want? It's really just comes 524 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:25,470 down to a matter of wording. 525 00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:30,720 So if you had, what we're what we're going to recommend is that 526 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,510 people link to the pod chaser.com profile for the user 527 00:32:33,540 --> 00:32:37,350 for the person there in question. And then as fall 528 00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:41,610 backs, you could link to Wikipedia, their blog, you know, 529 00:32:41,910 --> 00:32:46,800 a project, you could link to anything as a fallback, just to 530 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,850 have something. But But if you have the pod chaser Comm. 531 00:32:51,180 --> 00:32:54,930 reference, it would be considered, you know, better, 532 00:32:55,710 --> 00:32:59,250 more authoritative because you have their whole work behind it. 533 00:32:59,700 --> 00:33:01,200 Right. And they're working with good, they're working with 534 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,900 companies to provide this service to ensure Sure. 535 00:33:04,350 --> 00:33:09,360 Interesting, okay, so that's just a people tag, and then 536 00:33:09,390 --> 00:33:14,880 infinite number of names and URLs. Yeah. And spelling and how 537 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,360 is that handled? If it's Adam see curry Adam Clark curry. 538 00:33:18,930 --> 00:33:24,690 As long as your link is cleared to the purchase contract to the 539 00:33:24,690 --> 00:33:25,800 Creator, then you can 540 00:33:25,890 --> 00:33:31,530 report this. I support this 100% actually 99% if pod chaser will 541 00:33:31,530 --> 00:33:36,030 link my profile to pod father, then I'm 100. I don't want to 542 00:33:36,030 --> 00:33:39,120 spike anything. But how cool would that be? I wouldn't pay 543 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,460 for like a like a custom domain name. 544 00:33:41,850 --> 00:33:43,590 So the vanity, your vanity? Yeah. 545 00:33:43,620 --> 00:33:46,620 vanity profile? Hell yeah. Excuse me. Isn't that exactly 546 00:33:46,740 --> 00:33:48,960 the same thing? vanity profile? Well, 547 00:33:48,990 --> 00:33:53,790 maybe it is. Yeah, that's exactly right. pod, pod father 548 00:33:53,790 --> 00:33:54,870 in there. And as long as it links to 549 00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:58,740 Adam Curry your goal? Cool. Very good, sir. And this is nice. 550 00:33:59,280 --> 00:33:59,760 Yes, I 551 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,690 think and there's also an extra piece. There's optional stuff in 552 00:34:03,690 --> 00:34:07,740 there, as well. And I think what we settled on is the name, 553 00:34:08,340 --> 00:34:12,090 clearly, link, whatever that happens to be. And then you're 554 00:34:12,090 --> 00:34:19,680 going to have a role and a type, excuse me a role and a group. 555 00:34:19,710 --> 00:34:24,300 And so the role would be like, guest hosts, you know, co host, 556 00:34:24,810 --> 00:34:30,240 producer blah, blah, blah. And then the group is just very 557 00:34:30,240 --> 00:34:33,450 optional, if that's even a thing can add on if things can be very 558 00:34:33,450 --> 00:34:37,020 optional, but group is as long as 559 00:34:37,379 --> 00:34:40,109 were we satisfying with this group nonsense that you can't 560 00:34:40,109 --> 00:34:40,589 explain. 561 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:49,080 satisfying the honest potential. No, no, no, no, no, it's not 562 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:55,770 bad. The potential for people to get very specific with who they 563 00:34:55,770 --> 00:34:59,790 credit on their podcast. Yeah, and I would think there are 564 00:34:59,790 --> 00:35:03,000 probably Probably some people out there, they want to get very 565 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,110 specific I do. 566 00:35:04,140 --> 00:35:07,050 Yeah, I'm one of them. So I'm very interested in wanted, they 567 00:35:07,050 --> 00:35:10,170 want to think so I could say executive producers as a group 568 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,410 and associate executive producers as a group. And could 569 00:35:13,410 --> 00:35:18,000 I also say, end of mixes as a group, and your show mixes? 570 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:24,210 These the groups listed are the official groups within the pod 571 00:35:24,330 --> 00:35:28,290 cast taxonomy project. And that's what we talked about 572 00:35:28,290 --> 00:35:32,280 once. Yes. Okay. And this is only a White House or something. 573 00:35:32,850 --> 00:35:35,850 It is, yeah. And we're in it's being finalized. Right, now that 574 00:35:35,850 --> 00:35:38,700 I've got a preliminary list. So that's why the group thing is 575 00:35:38,700 --> 00:35:42,390 very optional, because like, the way they listed out as they say, 576 00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:47,610 you know, they give like a group, producers. And then 577 00:35:47,610 --> 00:35:50,670 there's, there's various sub titles within producer and then 578 00:35:50,670 --> 00:35:54,480 they may say, audio engineer, or engineering, and then there's 579 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,340 various ones in there, and blah, blah, blah, blah. So they're 580 00:35:56,340 --> 00:35:58,710 these little groups. If you just leave the group thing out all 581 00:35:58,710 --> 00:36:02,430 together, in that, then it assumes you're talking about 582 00:36:02,940 --> 00:36:06,630 caste, which would give you host ghost blah, blah, blah, almost 583 00:36:06,690 --> 00:36:09,810 all the 19 Yeah, which is what 99% of people are going to use. 584 00:36:10,770 --> 00:36:13,230 But then if you wanted to get more specific, you could put the 585 00:36:13,230 --> 00:36:19,170 group in there, and then say, okay, audio engineer, a lighting 586 00:36:19,170 --> 00:36:20,970 guy that, you know, that kind of stuff. 587 00:36:21,330 --> 00:36:24,360 There's no link to the podcast, taxonomy project. 588 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,860 They have not officially finalized. Okay, list. Yes, I 589 00:36:28,860 --> 00:36:33,030 didn't link to it. Okay. We can roll. We can roll it out without 590 00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:37,200 that since the group. But I think I don't think it's sacred. 591 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,860 I think they'll let us publish it. And I don't, when I talked 592 00:36:40,860 --> 00:36:42,990 to them the other day, they said this is basically just 593 00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:50,940 I have to see it to know if I like it. Is that weird? No, not 594 00:36:50,940 --> 00:36:54,000 at all. I could afford it. I'll send you a code that mean 595 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,550 because I'm just looking at it should be linked to the 596 00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:57,780 namespace docs. 597 00:36:58,439 --> 00:37:02,579 Yes. I just first whatever. Yeah. And get that funny. They 598 00:37:02,639 --> 00:37:07,139 I'm having some back and forth with Ben slinger from pod chaser 599 00:37:07,139 --> 00:37:08,519 and their bins slinger. 600 00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:10,500 Yes. Great name. 601 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,610 Yeah. And meet his brother gun. 602 00:37:15,690 --> 00:37:18,720 Sounds like a DJ. In a soft, 603 00:37:18,930 --> 00:37:24,240 everybody been slinging around the big w h Cz 100. That is a 604 00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:27,390 great, great DJ name. I just tested the ticket for a ride, 605 00:37:27,420 --> 00:37:29,460 etc. etc. 606 00:37:30,750 --> 00:37:33,090 Alright, so I get it this I think this is very clear. Now we 607 00:37:33,090 --> 00:37:36,690 just have to, you know, I think we just need to know the, the 608 00:37:36,690 --> 00:37:40,740 actual roles and groups, I'm sure they've got it down. Yeah, 609 00:37:41,130 --> 00:37:45,270 taxonomy means they took it apart. So they understand. And 610 00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:49,350 then the the last bastard child of locate location. 611 00:37:49,770 --> 00:37:55,170 Yeah, location is completely off the rails. And it, we're, we're 612 00:37:55,170 --> 00:37:58,920 gonna rewrite this thing. It's funny, all the pieces are there, 613 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:03,120 it's just that trying to get location, the really hard thing 614 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,820 is trying to get the specification of how you want it 615 00:38:05,820 --> 00:38:09,060 documented. You know, and I mean, there's like 10 different 616 00:38:09,060 --> 00:38:12,240 ways you can give a location. Well, and so everybody's got 617 00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:15,780 their everybody's got their preference, and we're gonna 618 00:38:15,780 --> 00:38:18,960 settle on something. I mean, that you know what it does? 619 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:21,390 Ah, 620 00:38:21,420 --> 00:38:27,120 let me think about this for a second. Because I think what 621 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:31,980 appears to me the issue at the core, besides How do you 622 00:38:31,980 --> 00:38:36,090 document it, how do you write it down? Is everybody has a 623 00:38:36,330 --> 00:38:41,940 preferred way of location? Hmm. And, you know, so I like the 624 00:38:41,940 --> 00:38:46,620 Maidenhead locator, of course, which is, you know, amateur 625 00:38:46,620 --> 00:38:51,030 radio, satellite type. So I think satellite people use it 626 00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:56,040 too. Okay, because it's footprint, I think. But then we 627 00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:03,360 have GPS, you know, GNS s type stuff. We have zip code country 628 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,300 codes. So there's all these different ways latitude, 629 00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:10,590 longitude, Latin long. It's like, so what we don't really 630 00:39:10,590 --> 00:39:16,170 have is a good example of a use case, I would posit that that 631 00:39:16,170 --> 00:39:17,490 drives that decision. 632 00:39:18,180 --> 00:39:23,460 I think the problem is there's two use cases, they compete with 633 00:39:23,460 --> 00:39:29,370 one another. And they both have total validity, like so. The 634 00:39:29,370 --> 00:39:33,510 first use case would be a podcast player that wants to 635 00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:38,280 show you the location. And for that, for the podcast, what 636 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:42,810 would be best for the podcast app is if it's just a name, like 637 00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:49,050 Stockholm, you know, or Brussels. That would be the 638 00:39:49,050 --> 00:39:51,750 simplest because I use rip it out of the tag and put it right 639 00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:55,560 into the to the to the user interface. You don't have to do 640 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,900 any API lookups or any of that kind of job. But then you have 641 00:39:57,900 --> 00:40:00,510 this other use case. You're talking about. gaiters and 642 00:40:00,510 --> 00:40:04,770 indexes in directories where they want to assemble a lot, 643 00:40:04,830 --> 00:40:08,370 they want to start to do more complex data where they figure 644 00:40:08,370 --> 00:40:14,280 out who's in a region and help, you know, interest in discovery 645 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,410 and all this kind of jazz. And that's also a valid use case. 646 00:40:16,410 --> 00:40:20,160 But for that flatline, maybe better OpenStreetMap IDs may be 647 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,660 better, or blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So it seems like 648 00:40:24,660 --> 00:40:28,110 there's two perfectly valid use cases. One is simple ones 649 00:40:28,110 --> 00:40:31,590 complex, and you want to be able to support both in a single tag. 650 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,550 So dot dot, dot. 651 00:40:37,380 --> 00:40:43,260 Yeah, I see the issue. But what you didn't really give me is, is 652 00:40:43,260 --> 00:40:47,400 a real use case example. I understand. You know, why? Why 653 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:51,720 do you want just? What was your example Brussels or whatever? 654 00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:55,500 Why, why do you want that? What is that? What is the point? What 655 00:40:55,500 --> 00:40:56,790 are we using this for? 656 00:40:57,390 --> 00:41:05,910 To find a local podcast for Association? So and here's the 657 00:41:05,910 --> 00:41:10,650 other issue is does the location refer to where the podcast where 658 00:41:10,650 --> 00:41:14,670 the podcast is recorded? Or what is referred to what the podcast 659 00:41:14,670 --> 00:41:18,240 is about? And I think 90% of the time, it's going to be what it's 660 00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:21,630 about. I mean, because nobody cares where the podcast coming 661 00:41:21,630 --> 00:41:25,200 from necessarily. I mean, I'm here in Birmingham, Alabama, 662 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:29,610 but, I mean, that's not where the podcast has nothing to do 663 00:41:29,610 --> 00:41:33,420 with Birmingham, Alabama. And the podcast is about every 664 00:41:33,570 --> 00:41:37,980 summer melt. So I don't even know what to put in podcasting. 665 00:41:37,980 --> 00:41:43,320 2.0 as far as the location tag, do we put Boston Birmingham? 666 00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:46,890 Let's see, there's this other class of or maybe we don't put a 667 00:41:46,890 --> 00:41:48,270 location tag, there's other 668 00:41:48,270 --> 00:41:50,430 classes. Go ahead. No, please continue. 669 00:41:50,820 --> 00:41:53,430 There's this other class of podcasts where it's very 670 00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:58,080 applicable. I mean, like, it's, it's extremely important, you 671 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:02,430 know, relevant to the nature of that show as to whether, where, 672 00:42:02,430 --> 00:42:05,640 you know, like a location specification. So, you know, I 673 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,520 don't know, what would you put down? What would you put down 674 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:09,390 for no agenda? 675 00:42:09,690 --> 00:42:17,400 Get mo nation? That's my location. If you're looking from 676 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,790 podcasts, for podcasts from Gizmo, nation, that's my 677 00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:23,970 location. That's what I would put in the feed. No joke. 678 00:42:24,540 --> 00:42:28,710 Okay, well, okay, that that's, that's great. That's, that's 679 00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:33,360 important information, because that means that that name, that 680 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:39,870 name tag, is, like it's critical. Like just just a 681 00:42:39,870 --> 00:42:47,310 straight string location. Is is important. And the other stuff 682 00:42:47,700 --> 00:42:51,150 is less so. 683 00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:57,810 Well, all right, let me approach this from an odd podcaster. 684 00:42:57,810 --> 00:43:03,750 standpoint. Go, if I had any, I agree with you that the only 685 00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:08,250 reason for me to put a location into my feed would be for search 686 00:43:08,250 --> 00:43:15,990 purposes of people looking for a particular podcast that either 687 00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:21,960 was from or about a particular place. And in my mind, that can 688 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:26,580 be fictional or nonfiction. And I would say get mo nation. And I 689 00:43:26,580 --> 00:43:29,820 would expect there to be many other podcasts would be almost 690 00:43:29,820 --> 00:43:36,210 like a tag. But why not say moonbase? alpha is just as 691 00:43:36,210 --> 00:43:38,910 valid. And we do want to build for the future, actually. 692 00:43:38,940 --> 00:43:42,210 So what's the last line of moonbase? alpha? 693 00:43:42,330 --> 00:43:45,720 You can't get that. It's not important. I mean, hey, you ever 694 00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:51,420 hear of Google Maps? bitch? Look it up? That's my point. I think 695 00:43:51,420 --> 00:43:52,140 we fixed it. 696 00:43:52,170 --> 00:43:54,870 Yes. Okay. It's done. All right. Next step. 697 00:43:54,900 --> 00:43:59,820 So again, but it should I think it should be. Yes, I understand 698 00:43:59,820 --> 00:44:03,450 the documentation problem. I totally get it. So maybe 699 00:44:03,450 --> 00:44:07,980 approach it from the reverse and say, This is a code that can be 700 00:44:07,980 --> 00:44:18,750 used in search for a in a geographic search. of podcasts. 701 00:44:20,250 --> 00:44:24,150 It would be more podcast content. Maybe that's maybe 702 00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:28,080 that's your out instead of podcast creation, say, you know, 703 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,170 based upon just like people, I think you have to handle just 704 00:44:31,170 --> 00:44:36,930 like people. You know, just like a person is in this a place is 705 00:44:36,930 --> 00:44:40,500 in this and that can be the place that is made or the place 706 00:44:40,500 --> 00:44:43,260 that it's about. Hmm. 707 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:44,220 And, 708 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,890 you know, that next level of granularity? I don't know, I 709 00:44:46,890 --> 00:44:49,950 think you have to know the person has to do something 710 00:44:49,950 --> 00:44:52,800 themselves at some point because they have better AI than we can 711 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,910 build. Is this really about Stockholm? Or is it from 712 00:44:56,910 --> 00:45:01,110 Stockholm? Or is it both? But I think I think you approach it 713 00:45:01,110 --> 00:45:04,440 from it's it's a search code. It's something that will be 714 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:10,440 searched. Prop likely, yeah, a search. And when instead of 715 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:14,100 here's what you use it for, you know, you get this information 716 00:45:14,100 --> 00:45:16,800 and here's what you get. And then you can do all kinds of 717 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,800 stuff with it. If you know stop calm, you can get the lat long, 718 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,080 you can get the Maidenhead, you can do all that stuff, you can 719 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:26,220 get the nearest airplane, navigation beacon. Um, you can 720 00:45:26,220 --> 00:45:27,180 do a million things. 721 00:45:27,899 --> 00:45:33,359 At some of the the location tag is suffering from from, from 722 00:45:33,359 --> 00:45:37,229 Tech overthink? Yes, exactly. Which is always going to be the 723 00:45:37,229 --> 00:45:41,519 case. And some of it is is truly kind of tricky to figure out. 724 00:45:41,519 --> 00:45:45,689 But I think I'm falling down on this on the scale. I think I'm 725 00:45:45,689 --> 00:45:55,529 falling on the side of making it more flexible. So he says, Sure. 726 00:45:56,579 --> 00:45:59,819 It's always the right answer to make to make your requirements 727 00:46:00,059 --> 00:46:04,679 very, very small. And to make everything else as optional as 728 00:46:04,679 --> 00:46:05,159 possible. 729 00:46:05,250 --> 00:46:08,310 Right. So that is, that's why you have country locality lat 730 00:46:08,310 --> 00:46:13,590 long and OS mid OSS, mid OpenStreetMap. Id. So I could 731 00:46:13,590 --> 00:46:16,890 choose what I want to put in there. If I can, if I say okay, 732 00:46:16,890 --> 00:46:20,610 just want to put in country. Yeah, then I would use the 733 00:46:20,610 --> 00:46:23,850 country code. Us I guess. 734 00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,210 Yeah, that's right. Or gn forget monition 735 00:46:27,390 --> 00:46:35,490 gs sheet. Well, so here we go. You've just no locality, human 736 00:46:35,490 --> 00:46:39,450 readable place name is preferred by the cod podcast publisher, or 737 00:46:39,450 --> 00:46:42,810 display in an app valid values are House of Parliament or North 738 00:46:42,810 --> 00:46:47,790 Michigan. So yeah, so Stockholm would be valid. And I could do I 739 00:46:47,790 --> 00:46:50,580 guess, what is Sweden? s? 740 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:52,950 Oh, shoot. 741 00:46:53,310 --> 00:46:58,290 se. I think it's se i think it's se thing. Yours. That's 742 00:46:58,290 --> 00:47:00,600 right. Yes. The se. Now you know that this se 743 00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:08,430 things I learned today? Okay, so I could easily TLD Yeah, I could 744 00:47:08,430 --> 00:47:12,870 use the country ISO 3166, one alpha two country code. And I 745 00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:16,920 could use the locality by saying Stockholm and I could forego the 746 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:21,480 lat long and the awesome ID. Yeah, it's fine. publish it. 747 00:47:22,110 --> 00:47:25,110 Yes. I think that's fake, because there's a recommendation 748 00:47:25,110 --> 00:47:26,700 for having a type. And there are Wait, 749 00:47:26,730 --> 00:47:29,940 wait, wait, wait, this element must contain at minimum a 750 00:47:29,940 --> 00:47:33,960 country code na, when it goes my get mo nation? 751 00:47:35,070 --> 00:47:39,900 Well, I mean, you can have see that that's where the type comes 752 00:47:39,900 --> 00:47:44,250 in. So you get it's always you always have a name. And the name 753 00:47:44,250 --> 00:47:48,480 can be anything but then you can also like, this is where we're 754 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,350 gonna have to rewrite it because the the issue the comments that 755 00:47:52,350 --> 00:47:54,990 we've been getting that we've been plowing into that thing, 756 00:47:56,100 --> 00:47:59,730 that the what you're seeing in the spec doesn't match what the 757 00:47:59,730 --> 00:48:02,520 current thinking in the comments is. So the current thinking in 758 00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,280 the comments is you have a type identifier, where you say, okay, 759 00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,280 you have a name, and that name could be Stockholm, then you 760 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:12,900 have a type. And the type specifies what location 761 00:48:12,900 --> 00:48:16,470 information you're going to give it. So this the type is country 762 00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:20,220 code, then you give a country code, and if the type is OSM ID, 763 00:48:20,220 --> 00:48:23,490 then you give an OpenStreetMap, Id type is this other, you know, 764 00:48:23,490 --> 00:48:26,940 lat lon, and you get a latitude longitude. So you can you can 765 00:48:26,940 --> 00:48:30,690 leave all that out and just say, oh, here's a name. Mm hmm. But 766 00:48:30,690 --> 00:48:34,230 you can also put in type equals whatever. And then you're 767 00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:38,280 expected to give to give it what you what you declared in the 768 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:42,210 time. You got it? That seems fine to me. And, I mean, I think 769 00:48:42,210 --> 00:48:46,860 that's where we're gonna end up as a starting point. And I mean, 770 00:48:46,860 --> 00:48:49,560 I don't see any other way to do it. Honestly. 771 00:48:51,210 --> 00:48:55,770 Yeah. Do you think that Who else has a Who else has a dog in the 772 00:48:55,770 --> 00:48:56,130 hunt? 773 00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:02,460 As is five or six people in the in the comment threads? So yeah, 774 00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,190 and they're and none of them are bad suggestions. They really 775 00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:09,120 not. They're, they're all trying to account for various things. 776 00:49:09,330 --> 00:49:12,210 But I guess what I don't want to end up with is just something 777 00:49:12,210 --> 00:49:16,230 that's used pure. I don't want to put a tag in there. It's only 778 00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:18,720 going to be useful for metrics. 779 00:49:19,650 --> 00:49:23,340 Right? Yeah, exactly. I agree. I agree wholeheartedly. 780 00:49:24,180 --> 00:49:28,110 Because who cares if somebody I mean, ultimately, who cares if 781 00:49:28,110 --> 00:49:31,770 there's some database somewhere where a guy is enjoying looking 782 00:49:31,770 --> 00:49:35,220 up? How many podcasts are in a certain region? Because what you 783 00:49:35,220 --> 00:49:37,860 really want to know if it's useful for discoverability? 784 00:49:37,980 --> 00:49:42,990 Let's do it was useful for user happiness. 785 00:49:43,950 --> 00:49:47,730 Yes, yes. Do it. Exactly. Exactly. No, 786 00:49:47,730 --> 00:49:50,400 but But no, I don't care about database nerds. I just want to 787 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:55,470 know stuff. So anyway, that's my thinking. But we're, we're 788 00:49:55,470 --> 00:49:56,040 getting there. 789 00:49:56,430 --> 00:50:02,280 Yes, yes. Ladies and gentlemen. Oops. I was gonna play some porn 790 00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:07,080 music and say this concludes our our namespace segment. It wasn't 791 00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:08,130 the right porn music 792 00:50:08,490 --> 00:50:10,620 coming into the fancy namespace 793 00:50:12,990 --> 00:50:15,660 I had this way, maybe this was it. This is what I wanted to 794 00:50:15,660 --> 00:50:18,570 play. I'm gonna get ahead, dammit. 795 00:50:19,169 --> 00:50:20,249 Yeah, you mess it up. 796 00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,190 Yeah, no, I had that one all queued up. But it was the it was 797 00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:27,000 YouTube, man, those guys are so out of inventory. They got to 798 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,780 put 15 ads in front of Ron Jeremy. There we go. You're 799 00:50:34,530 --> 00:50:38,520 sued by everybody in the course. That is 800 00:50:38,850 --> 00:50:46,230 namespace talk with Adam. Casting 2.0. It's bigger than 801 00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:48,210 ever before. Maybe. 802 00:50:50,820 --> 00:50:56,490 Yeah, it can just jump into shipment. And, yeah, so I mean, 803 00:50:56,490 --> 00:50:59,610 I think we're getting okay to wrap up namespace. I think we're 804 00:50:59,610 --> 00:51:03,000 going I'm going to, I'm looking at like at the end of January 805 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:07,920 like January 31. To close phase two. But I mean, that's totally 806 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:09,960 flexible. I just want to get through the holidays. 807 00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:15,300 Yeah, we need extra time. Yeah. Well, I'm excited. And value 808 00:51:15,300 --> 00:51:16,170 will be in there. 809 00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,500 As long as there's a lot of discussion going on with value. 810 00:51:22,860 --> 00:51:28,650 Yes, I've seen Brian of London. He's doing a valiant effort to 811 00:51:28,650 --> 00:51:36,210 get hive developers into using the value block for their chain. 812 00:51:36,750 --> 00:51:37,110 Yeah. 813 00:51:37,140 --> 00:51:39,180 And web, the web monetization, 814 00:51:39,210 --> 00:51:43,680 the web. monetization is an interesting one. I let me tell 815 00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,360 you about this. Because 816 00:51:45,420 --> 00:51:46,830 I don't get any research on it. Because I did a 817 00:51:46,830 --> 00:51:49,080 little guy sent me an email, someone reached out to me from 818 00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:53,820 the web monetization project, someone who works there. And, 819 00:51:54,150 --> 00:51:59,340 and said, Hey, you know, we've heard your podcast. It felt a 820 00:51:59,340 --> 00:52:03,480 little for me to me. But I could be wrong. It felt a little bit 821 00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,480 of No, and the guy's high enough from the I just haven't. I'm 822 00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,240 glad we brought this up, because I haven't replied to him yet. So 823 00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:12,780 I said, so he said, I hear Whitney, I heard the podcast I'm 824 00:52:12,780 --> 00:52:16,980 listened to with a link I about your project, but link to 825 00:52:16,980 --> 00:52:22,260 podcast index. org, which to me felt a little form form ish. And 826 00:52:22,260 --> 00:52:26,130 he said, You know, this is this is what we're doing. We're 827 00:52:26,130 --> 00:52:30,780 creating a web monetization standard. And this is the 828 00:52:30,780 --> 00:52:35,190 company I forget the company name coil coil. Thank you. And 829 00:52:35,370 --> 00:52:41,010 you go look at coil and it. What it seems to be is a couple of 830 00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:47,700 one or more Silicon Valley, people who made money, maybe in 831 00:52:47,700 --> 00:52:50,340 PayPal, I'm not sure or they were in 832 00:52:50,910 --> 00:52:51,480 ripple. 833 00:52:52,620 --> 00:52:56,880 There we go. See how good my story is. Thank you ripple. So 834 00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,250 that and it may be an offshoot of ripple, I'm not quite sure 835 00:52:59,250 --> 00:53:02,940 how connected those two are. And they have a grant and the grant 836 00:53:02,940 --> 00:53:08,370 is 100 million dollars. And to be honest, my first impression 837 00:53:08,580 --> 00:53:13,200 was Oh, okay, they want to create a standard, the money, I 838 00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,170 think the conversion runs through them, or they have some 839 00:53:16,170 --> 00:53:19,770 part of the fee to whatever web monetization is, that wasn't 840 00:53:19,770 --> 00:53:25,620 really clear from the consumer marketing side. And they're, in 841 00:53:25,620 --> 00:53:29,220 essence giving out hundred thousand dollar grants to small 842 00:53:29,340 --> 00:53:33,480 companies who either have websites with content or content 843 00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,170 creators, as long as they adopt the standard, which is a 844 00:53:37,170 --> 00:53:42,330 JavaScript meant to send payments, micro payments in real 845 00:53:42,330 --> 00:53:46,110 time to the creators through this through this system. Do I 846 00:53:46,110 --> 00:53:47,160 have that kind of right? 847 00:53:47,790 --> 00:53:49,110 It's what it seems like to me. Yeah. 848 00:53:49,530 --> 00:53:52,500 So the part I don't like, is the grant part. 849 00:53:54,930 --> 00:54:05,580 Yeah. Yeah, it's this. I watched three videos of Stephan Thomas, 850 00:54:05,580 --> 00:54:09,480 I think is his name. He's the CEO of coil. What three videos 851 00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:15,750 of him explaining how interledger works, which is 852 00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:19,650 evidently the backbone of the way the web monetization thing 853 00:54:19,650 --> 00:54:20,130 work. Is 854 00:54:20,130 --> 00:54:23,670 it is it quote, unquote, just another blockchain? Or is it 855 00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:24,690 something else? 856 00:54:25,410 --> 00:54:29,910 It's different. And honestly, I can't. I still don't know. I 857 00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:35,190 still can't grasp entirely what's happening there. I gave 858 00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:37,980 it a valiant effort. And I'm still not real sure. But you 859 00:54:37,980 --> 00:54:40,620 know, the, the thing, the thing that gives me pause about it 860 00:54:40,620 --> 00:54:47,730 like, is that he, he's, he used to be the CTO at ripple. And it 861 00:54:47,730 --> 00:54:53,700 seems very tied to XRP. Mm hmm. And I'm just not like i'm not 862 00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,340 i'm not saying I'm not saying it's a scam or anything. I don't 863 00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,880 I don't think that that's the case at all, but but I'm not 864 00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:04,920 doing I guess what concerns me is that it seems this web 865 00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:09,180 monetization, quote unquote, standard seems very tied to coil 866 00:55:09,180 --> 00:55:09,990 the company. 867 00:55:10,380 --> 00:55:14,190 Yes, that's what that's what I introduced as well as like, all 868 00:55:14,190 --> 00:55:16,920 the conversion goes through them, and then everybody can use 869 00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:21,960 it. But it Yeah, and I'm sure that I'm sure this is some chain 870 00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,990 and ledger that's open that anyone can look at. I'm sure. 871 00:55:25,260 --> 00:55:32,340 It's just adopting a standard. And I've been a part of, well, 872 00:55:32,340 --> 00:55:36,900 one, really, and you know, we're doing some some additional work 873 00:55:36,930 --> 00:55:42,810 on it on a standard now. But if you drive it through incentives 874 00:55:42,810 --> 00:55:46,770 of cash, to me, that's no different than I'll pay you 1500 875 00:55:46,770 --> 00:55:52,440 bucks to take the COVID vaccine, you know, it's like, yeah, now, 876 00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,980 it's like, people gotta want this, they gotta want to do it. 877 00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:00,840 And, and see, I mean, I'm sure people see the benefit, but once 878 00:56:01,050 --> 00:56:05,880 you're tied to any organization with a grant, and grant is, you 879 00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,030 know, it's not like, Here's your money, enjoy. There's always 880 00:56:09,030 --> 00:56:13,020 stuff tied to it one way or the other. You have a master and, 881 00:56:13,140 --> 00:56:19,320 you know, and with Bitcoin, no Master, certainly, there's no 882 00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,450 grants. I mean, I'm sure there's grants, but you know, what I 883 00:56:21,450 --> 00:56:26,490 mean? is like, write grants shouldn't be tied to the, to 884 00:56:26,490 --> 00:56:29,010 what your to the, to the protocol, or whatever it is, 885 00:56:29,010 --> 00:56:31,650 they're they're doing, I mean, just who's driving that? Who 886 00:56:31,650 --> 00:56:35,400 was, uh, who showed up and start talking about you remember? 887 00:56:37,620 --> 00:56:40,830 I think it was been forecast upon, because we 888 00:56:40,830 --> 00:56:44,790 may be way off base. We may. And I and I don't, I'm just giving 889 00:56:44,790 --> 00:56:46,530 you my impression, I think you're doing the same. 890 00:56:46,890 --> 00:56:49,860 Totally. And I'm totally just speaking from first impressions. 891 00:56:49,860 --> 00:56:54,360 And, and I could be completely wrong about all of this. But I'm 892 00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,120 having such a difficult time understanding how it worked and 893 00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:01,890 how it exists outside of the outside of coil the company 894 00:57:02,670 --> 00:57:07,860 that, I mean, based on what they said in their presentations. It, 895 00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:12,360 it should, like there should be multiple people involved, other 896 00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,750 companies can get involved in it. But I'm not sure. Like, at 897 00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:18,420 some point, you're going, you're going fee, you're doing 898 00:57:18,420 --> 00:57:21,750 conversions here. And so somebody's got to pay fees 899 00:57:21,750 --> 00:57:25,740 somewhere. And the only way I can imagine that this works when 900 00:57:25,740 --> 00:57:29,250 you're going from when you're doing these micro transactions 901 00:57:29,490 --> 00:57:33,780 across a ledger and then doing a conversion back into Fiat is 902 00:57:33,780 --> 00:57:37,800 that these things get batched together in some way. And then 903 00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,590 there's a convert, there's a large batch conversion process 904 00:57:40,590 --> 00:57:44,550 that happens, so that you get the fee as low as possible. And 905 00:57:44,550 --> 00:57:48,030 then there's an arbitrage somewhere for the for the 906 00:57:48,030 --> 00:57:54,300 company that's doing it to make a profit. And, like, so. So this 907 00:57:54,300 --> 00:57:58,770 sounds extremely difficult to set up. I mean, and I don't 908 00:57:58,770 --> 00:58:01,110 know, I guess it just strikes me as one of those quote unquote, 909 00:58:01,110 --> 00:58:05,610 standards that they kind of did just kind of always limps along 910 00:58:05,610 --> 00:58:08,730 and never gets beyond one company. Hmm, yeah. Because I 911 00:58:08,730 --> 00:58:11,460 think it's been around for a couple years now. And I'm not 912 00:58:11,460 --> 00:58:16,110 sure that it's like, Okay, well, if coil folds, then the standard 913 00:58:16,110 --> 00:58:20,160 folds, right? I don't know. And let's just write the whole thing 914 00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,290 sounds a little strange to me, maybe somebody else can clear it 915 00:58:22,290 --> 00:58:23,730 up? Well, um, 916 00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:28,500 you know, really, with the, since I dove into lightning, and 917 00:58:28,530 --> 00:58:31,560 of course, I've been ramping up to this for a couple of years 918 00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:35,970 with my conversion to to really be, you know, seeing the value 919 00:58:35,970 --> 00:58:43,140 in Bitcoin, just by itself. And as I dig deeper into the 920 00:58:43,140 --> 00:58:48,270 material, I see that Bitcoin still is the mama you know, 921 00:58:48,270 --> 00:58:51,390 it's, it's, it's the Big Mama of the whole kit and caboodle. 922 00:58:51,390 --> 00:58:55,650 Everyone converts out of Bitcoin, essentially, into the 923 00:58:55,650 --> 00:59:02,520 secondary coins. But really, we're just now and I think, and 924 00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,430 this is just my view, and you know, if you don't agree, fine, 925 00:59:05,490 --> 00:59:08,670 you don't need to call me out. Because I don't know what I'm 926 00:59:08,670 --> 00:59:10,080 talking. Yes, you do. Yeah. You 927 00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:10,560 must call. 928 00:59:10,590 --> 00:59:12,810 Yeah, call me up. Because I don't know what I'm talking 929 00:59:12,810 --> 00:59:16,620 about. But my view is that we needed this secondary layer, 930 00:59:16,620 --> 00:59:20,730 which I see is lightning. Because lightning is Bitcoin. 931 00:59:21,180 --> 00:59:24,090 And it makes so much sense. So we can, you know, write do all 932 00:59:24,090 --> 00:59:28,530 these faster transactions, real time transactions, write funky 933 00:59:28,530 --> 00:59:35,070 contracts that can be handled at execution layer. You know, 934 00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:39,330 instead of doing it with yet another blockchain with with, 935 00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,330 you know, a conversion to XRP I think everyone's trying to 936 00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:47,040 incorrectly I think solve the problem of all well, how are we 937 00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:50,490 going to, you know, get people to understand, you put your 938 00:59:50,490 --> 00:59:53,880 credit card in here and then you've got Bitcoin there. And to 939 00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:58,530 me, I look at this from a different perspective. Now, I 940 00:59:58,530 --> 01:00:01,560 don't need the company to hold my hand You know, with with some 941 01:00:01,860 --> 01:00:04,890 web monetization that looks official, I don't, I don't need 942 01:00:04,890 --> 01:00:09,990 any of that. What I need is a reason for Bitcoin to be fun to 943 01:00:09,990 --> 01:00:15,510 me. So, if I go and get a podcast app, it has a wallet in 944 01:00:15,510 --> 01:00:19,260 there. Okay, well now I understand at least when I'm 945 01:00:19,260 --> 01:00:23,520 doing okay, I need to get some kind of money into this. So I 946 01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:27,870 can send money through this app to podcasters. And I can boost 947 01:00:27,870 --> 01:00:32,250 stuff and do other things. I think podcasting will make 948 01:00:32,730 --> 01:00:37,230 learning Bitcoin fun. For a lot of people give them something to 949 01:00:37,230 --> 01:00:40,470 do instead of changing money and trying to figure out how did I 950 01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:43,170 lose what what feels good to get taken, you know, this is the 951 01:00:43,170 --> 01:00:44,580 stuff that hangs people up, 952 01:00:44,700 --> 01:00:48,660 because that's all you're doing. We're not we underestimate the 953 01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,540 excuse me, we overestimate the onboarding problem, I think a 954 01:00:51,540 --> 01:00:54,030 lot of times, because that's where everybody gets hung up. 955 01:00:54,030 --> 01:00:56,970 And Bitcoin is the onboarding problem. But I mean, if you go 956 01:00:56,970 --> 01:00:59,340 back, okay, think about 10 years ago. Did you ever think that 957 01:00:59,340 --> 01:01:02,220 your grandma will be downloading chrome and installing it on a 958 01:01:02,220 --> 01:01:03,060 Windows computer? Oh, 959 01:01:03,060 --> 01:01:06,900 exactly. These things do take time. They do take time. Yeah, 960 01:01:06,900 --> 01:01:10,500 absolutely. I Yeah, of course. Your grandma struggled more with 961 01:01:10,500 --> 01:01:14,580 Web TV. If you remember that. Crap. Oh, yeah. With the remote 962 01:01:14,580 --> 01:01:16,140 control trying to try 963 01:01:16,170 --> 01:01:19,590 to hit letters. That was Microsoft when that Microsoft? I 964 01:01:19,590 --> 01:01:19,770 think 965 01:01:19,770 --> 01:01:22,080 they bought it. They bought them. They bought them. I think 966 01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:24,330 I think Chris Jacob was involved in that deal. 967 01:01:25,530 --> 01:01:27,120 Oh, that is a that's your buddy. 968 01:01:27,149 --> 01:01:29,669 Yeah, yeah, I think okay, sir. Chris, I think he was involved 969 01:01:29,669 --> 01:01:30,089 in that. 970 01:01:30,330 --> 01:01:33,600 Because that was all like their big push was that it has MSN 971 01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:35,790 network. You know, you can get to 972 01:01:36,540 --> 01:01:39,360 see how you can just look towards history and see that 973 01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:42,270 none of this is permanent. And I'm looking at you Spotify. 974 01:01:42,870 --> 01:01:46,710 Yeah, no, no. You want to hear it the Spotify release. They're 975 01:01:46,710 --> 01:01:54,870 like, shows. stash something as my this pot podcast of 2020. 976 01:01:54,900 --> 01:01:58,950 Oh, yeah. Now lists. Of course. I'll have to ask devore act 977 01:01:58,950 --> 01:02:02,160 explain again, how these lists are made in corporate America. 978 01:02:02,250 --> 01:02:04,380 It's hilarious. It's a lunch basically. 979 01:02:04,830 --> 01:02:10,890 If you Okay, so we had a we did a one clip of this show last 980 01:02:10,890 --> 01:02:17,430 week with Dan Benjamin. And if we're out here on the outside, 981 01:02:17,430 --> 01:02:20,070 we're outside of Spotify ecosystem. We can't get to the 982 01:02:20,070 --> 01:02:23,040 you know, we can't listen to the Spotify exclusives. Yeah, 983 01:02:23,190 --> 01:02:28,470 they're all locked behind the silo past a wall. If you want a 984 01:02:28,470 --> 01:02:34,260 taste of what you're missing, of how good the quality of 985 01:02:34,260 --> 01:02:41,970 exclusive shows is. Clip two as a shoe is is a show with Addison 986 01:02:41,970 --> 01:02:47,250 Ray, who is the number two earning tik tok influencer. 987 01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:48,750 Oh my, 988 01:02:49,020 --> 01:02:52,260 I think she's like 1819 years old, something like that. 989 01:02:53,460 --> 01:02:55,380 That's according to yet another list. 990 01:02:55,860 --> 01:02:56,700 Yes, yes. 991 01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:00,150 Yes. By the way, people these lists are crap. You know that, 992 01:03:00,150 --> 01:03:03,360 right? Like these lists are compiled according to interests 993 01:03:03,570 --> 01:03:06,600 involved in the list? People? 994 01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:08,370 conception 995 01:03:08,399 --> 01:03:11,309 Yeah, of course, this list is very Yes. It's the list of 996 01:03:11,309 --> 01:03:12,089 lists. Exactly. 997 01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:17,010 By the way, the tick tock thing is, and like when I should be 998 01:03:17,010 --> 01:03:21,420 more specific, and not just a thing, the TIC Tock culture 999 01:03:21,450 --> 01:03:27,150 amongst top influencers is very weird. Oh, it's gonna it's gonna 1000 01:03:27,150 --> 01:03:30,930 get old. Did you? Have you seen this stuff where they have some 1001 01:03:30,930 --> 01:03:35,790 sort of like company that rents mansions to top Tick tock, of 1002 01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:41,070 course. So that's their set. Man that is? Oh, yeah. So whole 1003 01:03:41,070 --> 01:03:46,950 industry. Yeah. But it's all based on one of the basic sins 1004 01:03:46,950 --> 01:03:48,720 vanity. Yeah. 1005 01:03:48,870 --> 01:03:52,680 So Oh, well, we'll then that play clip too. So let's see 1006 01:03:52,710 --> 01:03:55,950 here. What you're what we're all missing. Oh, Mom. Let's 1007 01:03:55,950 --> 01:04:01,110 fill everyone in on my 20th birthday. So my 20th birthday. 1008 01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:06,120 Big number because 20 is no longer a teenager. My friend 1009 01:04:06,450 --> 01:04:10,530 Bryant set up a kind of like a little birthday dinner for me. 1010 01:04:10,530 --> 01:04:15,360 You know, it was really sweet. And we went to a restaurant. We 1011 01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,330 all sat at like, small tables. It was like four people at each 1012 01:04:18,330 --> 01:04:21,960 table. Really small event. Probably there was like 12 1013 01:04:21,990 --> 01:04:24,720 people there. But there was only four people at each table. Plus 1014 01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,060 my family. My mom and dad and brothers were there. So it 1015 01:04:27,060 --> 01:04:28,590 wasn't really like a lot of people. 1016 01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:30,390 This is some exclusive stuff there. 1017 01:04:31,050 --> 01:04:34,890 But we all kind of just sat they wrote little notes on like these 1018 01:04:34,890 --> 01:04:39,450 cards. I got to read them when I got home. And then we cut the 1019 01:04:39,450 --> 01:04:42,570 cake. Oh, I do much besides eat that was it. We weren't like 1020 01:04:42,570 --> 01:04:44,460 steaming up and like dancing or anything. It was just like a 1021 01:04:44,460 --> 01:04:47,610 restaurant. You know? So we the French Laundry with gaffers. 1022 01:04:50,430 --> 01:04:54,420 Yeah, the candles. I blew up my birthday candles. I had so many 1023 01:04:54,420 --> 01:04:57,570 cakes on my birthday. The best one was the one Courtney got me 1024 01:04:57,570 --> 01:04:59,700 to flower one from flower 1025 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,810 I am just realizing we're doing this podcast all wrong. Dave. We 1026 01:05:03,810 --> 01:05:06,270 should be talking more like this. So when we talk about the 1027 01:05:06,270 --> 01:05:10,560 namespace, you know, it's just namespace, but we didn't have a 1028 01:05:10,590 --> 01:05:13,650 you know, we have location issues and issues problematic. 1029 01:05:13,980 --> 01:05:16,530 problematic the namespace especially when it comes to 1030 01:05:16,530 --> 01:05:17,370 location. 1031 01:05:17,730 --> 01:05:19,290 It was so good the heart one 1032 01:05:19,350 --> 01:05:19,980 yeah, that was 1033 01:05:22,710 --> 01:05:26,400 really tastes like cream cheese icing. Oh, but the entire cake 1034 01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:31,080 is cream cheese. Oh, wasn't it? Yeah, it was mushy like it was 1035 01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:36,510 like fondant and cream cheese icing mixed together into a mix 1036 01:05:36,510 --> 01:05:40,560 with a little bit of cake. So good. It was so pretty. And it 1037 01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:43,380 was beautiful. Yeah. And I kind of liked the crunchy outside of 1038 01:05:43,380 --> 01:05:43,470 the 1039 01:05:47,790 --> 01:05:48,750 day. Yeah, that 1040 01:05:48,750 --> 01:05:51,900 was the best cake ever. But the view the view at your birthday 1041 01:05:51,900 --> 01:05:58,740 was amazing on that. I was so pretty. Yeah. So my favorite 1042 01:05:58,740 --> 01:06:05,400 gift I got was probably either the stage or stop. Really? Yeah, 1043 01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:07,290 it was a really good gift actually. Because it was 1044 01:06:07,290 --> 01:06:07,800 thoughtful. 1045 01:06:07,830 --> 01:06:08,340 It was It 1046 01:06:09,090 --> 01:06:10,710 was great. I guess a 1047 01:06:10,830 --> 01:06:13,950 nice gift. Yes. Overall, it was a really good birthday. I think 1048 01:06:13,950 --> 01:06:15,420 this is one of my best birthdays yet. 1049 01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:21,630 Wait a minute. Wait a minute, Dave. Let me just fix myself 1050 01:06:21,630 --> 01:06:25,500 here. Feel better now shot myself. 1051 01:06:27,090 --> 01:06:33,240 Yeah, so after you go rinse your brain out with soap. That is 1052 01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:37,530 okay. So I went through and listened to some shows on there 1053 01:06:37,950 --> 01:06:42,570 over the last few weeks. And they're all this way. They're 1054 01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:48,630 also boring. They're just boring. Yeah. I can't explain it 1055 01:06:48,630 --> 01:06:52,080 any other way. So if you listen to the same thing with Bernie 1056 01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:54,960 Brown, we played some of her first shows before before she 1057 01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:56,940 went exclusive. So then I went back and I listened to her 1058 01:06:56,940 --> 01:07:03,510 exclusive show. And it's boring. And it's something about like, 1059 01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:07,380 there must be something psychological about guaranteed 1060 01:07:07,380 --> 01:07:12,540 money, losing control of your content script being scripted. 1061 01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:15,540 All this stuff that makes your stuff boring. 1062 01:07:15,570 --> 01:07:17,190 Yep. Yeah. 1063 01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:21,840 What's the message to the way your take your cake tastes? 1064 01:07:21,930 --> 01:07:26,280 I mean, this is why I have no issue with what Spotify is 1065 01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:31,170 doing. Yeah, keep doing caitli can't do more of it. I go back. 1066 01:07:31,170 --> 01:07:33,180 And look, there's a million examples of this. I'm going to 1067 01:07:33,180 --> 01:07:36,300 give it one more time the America Online example. It was a 1068 01:07:36,300 --> 01:07:39,120 safe, well protected, but you can get a little risque here and 1069 01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:42,330 there. Oh, yes. This is a great place to be You've Got Mail, 1070 01:07:42,570 --> 01:07:46,860 huh. But then people heard about this thing called the internet. 1071 01:07:47,340 --> 01:07:51,510 And out there somewhere is all the dangerous stuff, all the 1072 01:07:51,510 --> 01:07:55,530 cool stuff. We want that AOL and AOL but grudgingly said, Well, 1073 01:07:55,530 --> 01:07:58,890 okay. But you have to click on these five screens to say I 1074 01:07:58,890 --> 01:08:02,820 understand the risk of using a browser. And people use the 1075 01:08:02,820 --> 01:08:06,660 browser and they found the porn, and they never came back. And it 1076 01:08:06,660 --> 01:08:08,220 will became a dial up company. 1077 01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:13,860 If you took their son, so when we get ready for this show you, 1078 01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:16,830 you know, we're like, okay, Hey, what's up, blah, blah, blah, 1079 01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,920 alright, kick it in. And we just start recording and everything 1080 01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:23,130 just comes out? Well, I mean, if we were to take this show and 1081 01:08:23,130 --> 01:08:26,610 stick it into Spotify, and put a Folgers commercial at the 1082 01:08:26,610 --> 01:08:31,110 beginning, and then a mid roll for, you know, Prudential live, 1083 01:08:31,140 --> 01:08:34,770 I don't know, I'm just making crap up. I mean, like, and then 1084 01:08:34,770 --> 01:08:36,660 you say, Okay, we have this segment, we're gonna talk about 1085 01:08:36,660 --> 01:08:38,370 this. In this segment, we're gonna talk about this. It's 1086 01:08:38,370 --> 01:08:41,940 like, it just loses any sense of entertainment whatsoever. 1087 01:08:42,060 --> 01:08:45,810 Well, it's all subjective. And I'm sure there's a there's a 1088 01:08:45,810 --> 01:08:48,660 market for the for these podcasts, otherwise, they 1089 01:08:48,660 --> 01:08:52,500 wouldn't be investing in it. But the world is big. And while 1090 01:08:52,500 --> 01:08:54,630 we're on that, there's two things. Well, there's three 1091 01:08:54,630 --> 01:08:58,890 things we need to do. We thank some people. But also we were 1092 01:08:58,890 --> 01:09:00,780 going to give some stat, why don't we thank some people. 1093 01:09:00,780 --> 01:09:02,970 First, I want to run through some stats with you, which will 1094 01:09:02,970 --> 01:09:09,450 take us into the final wrap up of lightning and value block. 1095 01:09:10,199 --> 01:09:10,709 Yeah, sure. 1096 01:09:12,569 --> 01:09:18,809 See here. Okay. stack of paper, get some good donations. 1097 01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:22,620 I'd like to remind everybody that we operate under the value 1098 01:09:22,620 --> 01:09:26,640 for value system with the entire podcast index.org project. 1099 01:09:27,510 --> 01:09:30,120 David, no one, none of the three partners including Eric, we 1100 01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:33,870 don't take salary. We don't know if it'll ever come to that. But 1101 01:09:33,870 --> 01:09:38,610 the index does run on the value that we receive from the people 1102 01:09:38,610 --> 01:09:43,140 who have who perceive the value of what we're doing. That is 1103 01:09:43,140 --> 01:09:47,460 sometimes developers it's fans of podcasts as podcasters it's 1104 01:09:47,490 --> 01:09:50,190 people who understand and like technology and like seeing 1105 01:09:50,190 --> 01:09:55,500 things move forward. And all we ask is that you consider how 1106 01:09:55,500 --> 01:09:59,460 valuable this is to you. There's no other charge for the use the 1107 01:09:59,460 --> 01:10:04,980 index shared, the API is open. We're, we're clearly putting 1108 01:10:04,980 --> 01:10:08,040 time and effort and energy into it. So all we ask for in return 1109 01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:11,280 is some value. It could be time talent, treasure. Now you see 1110 01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:15,390 the developers, what they're putting into it is, of course, 1111 01:10:15,390 --> 01:10:19,350 astronomical. But we also have people who just need to support 1112 01:10:19,350 --> 01:10:22,500 us financially. And we love thanking them because often a 1113 01:10:22,500 --> 01:10:26,250 recurring donation can mean an entire server that runs to 1114 01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:29,190 complete the mission of preserving podcasting as a 1115 01:10:29,190 --> 01:10:32,490 platform for free speech and retooling it into a platform of 1116 01:10:32,490 --> 01:10:34,560 value for everyone, 1117 01:10:35,489 --> 01:10:39,719 like the pod pod, calculate the value perception, their 1118 01:10:40,079 --> 01:10:43,259 reception for perception. I know I just I just came up with that. 1119 01:10:43,259 --> 01:10:44,339 Yes. Yeah. 1120 01:10:45,390 --> 01:10:49,440 These are some little things some value perception engineers, 1121 01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:50,490 how about today? You go, 1122 01:10:50,939 --> 01:10:56,759 we got a first donation is anonymous. $200 aussage. Yeah, 1123 01:10:56,759 --> 01:11:00,239 it says no notes and no credit wanted. just happy to 1124 01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:00,719 contribute. 1125 01:11:00,870 --> 01:11:02,490 Thank you very much anonymous. 1126 01:11:02,670 --> 01:11:04,080 Yeah. Yeah. Thank you very much. 1127 01:11:05,159 --> 01:11:06,119 very appreciated. 1128 01:11:06,330 --> 01:11:10,500 Yeah, absolutely. That was a single donation. 200 bucks is 1129 01:11:10,500 --> 01:11:14,310 just, I mean, $200 is, that's a third of our hosting fees for 1130 01:11:14,310 --> 01:11:17,910 the month. I mean, that's, that's almost an entire month 1131 01:11:17,910 --> 01:11:18,450 right there. 1132 01:11:18,540 --> 01:11:21,150 It really is. It's fantastic. It's awesome. Yeah. 1133 01:11:22,529 --> 01:11:26,429 I mean, they were out of order here. I'm gonna get there's 1134 01:11:26,429 --> 01:11:30,299 another one that was a little bit big. See if I can find Oh, 1135 01:11:30,299 --> 01:11:32,819 yeah, here it is. So I'll kind of do these in a little bit 1136 01:11:32,819 --> 01:11:39,719 better order. This one is make sure it's not anonymous note is 1137 01:11:39,719 --> 01:11:47,249 not. This one is Brian Pollack. And he donated $100 Wow, 1138 01:11:47,250 --> 01:11:48,120 thank you, Brian. 1139 01:11:48,150 --> 01:11:51,930 Yeah, no, no. Yeah, no, he's got a message says contributing the 1140 01:11:51,930 --> 01:11:55,530 value I can to support an important project to help make 1141 01:11:55,530 --> 01:11:58,860 sure podcasting evolves in the future as an open medium of 1142 01:11:58,860 --> 01:12:00,900 communications. I tm 1143 01:12:01,590 --> 01:12:07,680 it him to you my brother. Nice. This is why I need the tag get 1144 01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:10,740 mo nation. Because I got I got people who live there. 1145 01:12:12,330 --> 01:12:15,150 With this btn That one goes with that one. Okay. 1146 01:12:15,989 --> 01:12:18,419 Here it is. I'm not hearing you crumple them up and throw them 1147 01:12:18,419 --> 01:12:21,779 on the floor like he usually do. Am I not? I didn't hear it. 1148 01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:24,090 No. Crumpler, okay. 1149 01:12:25,980 --> 01:12:27,210 folder, your risk cruncher. 1150 01:12:27,390 --> 01:12:32,070 Somebody gave us a donation. This is this is a one time pick 1151 01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:36,960 paper crinkle sound donation. I really enjoy the sound Keep up 1152 01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:39,990 the good work. As a podcast listener, I would benefit from a 1153 01:12:39,990 --> 01:12:44,070 list of podcasts that are using 2.0 features and tags so that I 1154 01:12:44,070 --> 01:12:47,640 can check them out. Awesome to every podcast that Adam is on at 1155 01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:53,550 one point to speed and I refuse to stop. He says r&b dance. 1156 01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:56,460 All right, all right. 1157 01:12:56,489 --> 01:13:00,089 I'm not. I'm not trying to rush through episodes. It just sounds 1158 01:13:00,089 --> 01:13:03,329 more natural to me how he sounded Luke. Okay, so Luke, 1159 01:13:04,139 --> 01:13:09,959 where's Luke? Yeah, I'm just out of control. Like 1160 01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:11,100 your code, actually. 1161 01:13:11,699 --> 01:13:20,519 Hey, that hurts. Okay. Luke gave us $10 Luke Presley. Luke, 1162 01:13:20,519 --> 01:13:21,329 here's your 1163 01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:28,590 nice paper. 1164 01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,830 very satisfying. All right. Then. 1165 01:13:32,820 --> 01:13:42,000 The next one we got here. Oh, this is $20 donation from Yorn. 1166 01:13:42,570 --> 01:13:49,350 And he just have note. I don't see one where now it looks like 1167 01:13:49,350 --> 01:13:54,990 it's just a $20 donation. All right. Thank you. Yorn. Shar, 1168 01:13:55,200 --> 01:14:00,900 thank you. You're. And then we have there's a good note here 1169 01:14:00,900 --> 01:14:11,610 from David Metis. He, he did a $10 month subscription. And he 1170 01:14:11,610 --> 01:14:15,720 says, David Adam, hey, this is Metis rounds. No, I'm sorry. 1171 01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:19,620 metus rounds. What he says rounds with fetus. Yeah. Got it. 1172 01:14:20,100 --> 01:14:25,350 Okay. From this is a mitas from Fun fact, Friday with Lila and 1173 01:14:25,350 --> 01:14:29,100 David. Oh, hello. And this is great. He says I heard y'all 1174 01:14:29,100 --> 01:14:32,100 lost a $10 a month donor. So I decided we should replace it for 1175 01:14:32,100 --> 01:14:32,280 you. 1176 01:14:32,310 --> 01:14:34,860 Ah, that's fantastic. In that sweet? 1177 01:14:34,890 --> 01:14:38,520 Yeah, in my very long term goals are to be a full time value for 1178 01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:44,490 value podcaster vow of poverty. I know. I want to ensure that 1179 01:14:44,490 --> 01:14:47,310 there's a place for independent podcasters and the big companies 1180 01:14:47,310 --> 01:14:50,460 don't set a lock us all out. Well. Now I got to figure out 1181 01:14:50,730 --> 01:14:53,700 how to get all of this code implemented in my feet weekend 1182 01:14:53,700 --> 01:14:54,300 project. 1183 01:14:55,050 --> 01:14:59,550 Fantastic. And if you were the host, now we have to go to new 1184 01:14:59,550 --> 01:15:04,470 podcast. apps.com new podcast apps calm. There's a list there 1185 01:15:04,500 --> 01:15:08,220 of apps that support the 2.0 features in you can search for 1186 01:15:08,250 --> 01:15:12,720 by function and also the hosting companies who support this and 1187 01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:17,040 hosting applications because cost apart I think, is there an 1188 01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:18,240 app application? 1189 01:15:18,810 --> 01:15:22,680 Yeah. And that was fun fact, Friday looks like the name of 1190 01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:23,280 his podcast. 1191 01:15:23,310 --> 01:15:26,160 Nice. Get a roll and brother get some SATs. 1192 01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:32,430 So here's a I guess this one was out of order. This was a 1193 01:15:33,150 --> 01:15:36,750 Christopher Tomkinson gave us $50 single time, one time 1194 01:15:36,750 --> 01:15:40,140 donation. Nice. And his message was rock on gas. 1195 01:15:41,550 --> 01:15:47,760 back at you, right on. We commit to rocking Yes. For those about 1196 01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:49,230 to rock We salute you. 1197 01:15:49,860 --> 01:15:55,260 And finally, we get a new automatic, monthly subscription 1198 01:15:55,260 --> 01:15:58,800 from Kevin Rola for $5 a month and I could not find a note from 1199 01:15:58,800 --> 01:15:59,160 Kevin. 1200 01:16:00,210 --> 01:16:02,130 Kevin, I think is a no agenda guy. 1201 01:16:02,130 --> 01:16:04,410 I think his name sounds good. Yeah, does. 1202 01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:08,100 Thank you, guys, very nice. 1203 01:16:08,730 --> 01:16:11,190 And that is it. So those are the donors. 1204 01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:14,220 But listen, hold on a second. I'm sorry. Because before it 1205 01:16:14,220 --> 01:16:17,550 scrolls off, I'm looking at the no agenda troll room. And I see 1206 01:16:17,550 --> 01:16:21,510 people chatting, I use regex to change season and episode stuff 1207 01:16:21,510 --> 01:16:25,950 on video files. And it's like, well, it's because iTunes is 1208 01:16:25,950 --> 01:16:28,380 messed up and like, well, at least they're working on a 1209 01:16:28,380 --> 01:16:29,220 namespace. 1210 01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:30,330 Yeah, 1211 01:16:30,330 --> 01:16:33,510 just talking about us right in the chat room. And this is 1212 01:16:33,570 --> 01:16:35,640 completely unrelated. They're not listening to us. 1213 01:16:35,940 --> 01:16:38,400 It's not on the stream. No, no, no, not at all. Not at all. 1214 01:16:38,820 --> 01:16:43,200 That's funny. So that was the donations from what we call 1215 01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:46,020 this. Fiat donations that 1216 01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:50,910 are made. These are all fee donations that come through our 1217 01:16:50,910 --> 01:16:56,010 PayPal. Now we do have a lightning widget a podcast 1218 01:16:56,010 --> 01:16:59,850 index.org. And you can use that or just click on that big red 1219 01:16:59,850 --> 01:17:03,510 Donate button. It's red for a reason, people. And if you're 1220 01:17:03,510 --> 01:17:05,970 listening to this show, and you're listening right now, 1221 01:17:05,970 --> 01:17:10,320 still the Sphinx chat app, crank up those value sliders, hundred 1222 01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:15,390 sets a minute, keep it common, boom. 11 most most. 1223 01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:21,720 Okay, so we got lightning stats. We've had almost a full month of 1224 01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:22,350 lightning. 1225 01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,850 Three weeks, or it's almost not quite four weeks, I don't think 1226 01:17:26,850 --> 01:17:30,000 have we? Well, the report I ran was for November, and we only 1227 01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:31,950 have three weeks in November. 1228 01:17:32,100 --> 01:17:35,400 Yeah. It started in the November 11. Mm hmm. So he Okay, that 1229 01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:37,950 makes it. Alright, so this for three weeks from the 11th 1230 01:17:37,950 --> 01:17:41,790 through the end of the month, what I found interesting, it'll 1231 01:17:41,790 --> 01:17:44,610 say, Well, if you just add up the dollar value of all the SATs 1232 01:17:44,610 --> 01:17:48,480 from per minute, I didn't include like, boosts or anything 1233 01:17:48,480 --> 01:17:50,850 like that. I just thought these were more interesting. per 1234 01:17:50,850 --> 01:17:57,930 minute, SATs, they hit the index node that's then as 1%. The 1235 01:17:57,930 --> 01:18:02,220 total dollar value of those SATs is $7 and 50 cents. 1236 01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:06,360 That's without the boosts without the boost. Yes. And with 1237 01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:08,430 the boosts because I think boost is a part of it. 1238 01:18:09,150 --> 01:18:11,400 Yeah, I don't have in front of me. for it, I 1239 01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:14,190 think it goes up to $11 11. 1240 01:18:14,190 --> 01:18:16,950 Okay, double digits. Well, 1241 01:18:16,949 --> 01:18:19,949 this is important because this is so just to explain what we're 1242 01:18:19,949 --> 01:18:23,999 talking about here. On the Sphinx chat app that have 1243 01:18:23,999 --> 01:18:27,539 implemented the value block with the lightning nodes, lightning, 1244 01:18:27,569 --> 01:18:31,709 lightning IDs, and the splits, please see the sexy namespace 1245 01:18:31,709 --> 01:18:40,109 for more details. It's very sexy namespace of each minute 1246 01:18:40,169 --> 01:18:45,149 listened. 1% goes to the Sphynx chat app, which will be our 1247 01:18:45,149 --> 01:18:48,659 standard default. For the app that you're listening to 1248 01:18:48,659 --> 01:18:53,789 listening to the podcast on 1% goes to the index, and 98% goes 1249 01:18:53,789 --> 01:18:57,029 to the podcast. And all of this is voluntary, any podcaster can 1250 01:18:57,029 --> 01:19:01,499 change these, these splits and these destinations at will in 1251 01:19:01,499 --> 01:19:08,849 their. In their RSS feed, we suggest a portion for the app 1252 01:19:08,849 --> 01:19:13,019 and for the index because its value for value. And all the 1253 01:19:13,019 --> 01:19:15,299 other stuff you can cut up amongst your buddies, your 1254 01:19:15,299 --> 01:19:19,079 friends, your co host, whatever you want. So when 100 satoshis 1255 01:19:19,079 --> 01:19:24,689 goes through 1% goes to the app 1% goes to the index. So the 1256 01:19:24,749 --> 01:19:31,049 overall value flow in three weeks has been about $1,000 has 1257 01:19:31,049 --> 01:19:36,689 been transmitted while enjoying podcasts, either playing them in 1258 01:19:36,689 --> 01:19:42,839 real time. Or, or enjoying extra pieces in boosting. Am I saying 1259 01:19:42,839 --> 01:19:44,159 that right? Yeah, 1260 01:19:44,159 --> 01:19:46,739 I think so. So you could say well, if you're only talking 1261 01:19:46,739 --> 01:19:51,869 about per minutes and not boost, then roughly $750 has floated 1262 01:19:51,899 --> 01:19:52,799 flow through the system. 1263 01:19:52,949 --> 01:19:56,429 That's I mean, and that's what six podcasts. Yeah, 1264 01:19:56,760 --> 01:20:00,450 well and Okay, so the more interesting aspect of To me, 1265 01:20:00,450 --> 01:20:02,640 then they didn't even the money part was the number of 1266 01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:08,640 transactions. Then there was 12,160 minutes of podcast 1267 01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:13,080 listening through Sphinx. In three weeks, that translates 1268 01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:15,300 into 202 hours of listening, 1269 01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:22,110 which is how many days? Gosh, four days? 1270 01:20:23,550 --> 01:20:28,020 Not me. 72 hours, three days, so roughly 1271 01:20:28,860 --> 01:20:34,860 200 Yes, of course, almost eight 910 days. So holy crap 1272 01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:38,970 worth of worth of podcasts time spent listening. Now, that's 1273 01:20:38,970 --> 01:20:41,550 what i said i excluded the boost. So that's only per 1274 01:20:41,550 --> 01:20:47,160 minute. Split transactions. So that's an accurate count of 1275 01:20:47,370 --> 01:20:52,590 there. There was 202 hours of podcasts listens to through 1276 01:20:52,590 --> 01:20:53,400 Sphinx chat. 1277 01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:55,650 So we're gonna start surfacing this number. 1278 01:20:56,190 --> 01:20:57,180 Yeah. On the side. 1279 01:20:57,330 --> 01:21:03,420 Yeah. Because that is so sexy $1,000 has been running through 1280 01:21:03,480 --> 01:21:05,880 just a handful of podcasts. 1281 01:21:06,690 --> 01:21:09,900 Yeah, it's really only a, it's just a few. I mean, like, 1282 01:21:09,900 --> 01:21:10,410 there's, 1283 01:21:11,580 --> 01:21:15,510 and, and, you know, so, okay, here's my experience with this, 1284 01:21:15,540 --> 01:21:23,070 because this is blowing my mind. It's, it's gotten so regular, 1285 01:21:23,700 --> 01:21:27,150 that and that, you know, I use Thunder hub for the index 1286 01:21:27,150 --> 01:21:29,640 lightning node, and you can see a running, you know, it's kind 1287 01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:33,390 of like a feed of when a payment comes in. And it'll tell you 1288 01:21:33,420 --> 01:21:36,240 know, how many seconds ago how many minutes ago how many hours 1289 01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:40,680 ago, and more often than not, I'll see three payments. And 1290 01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:45,600 it's just the 1%, three payments come in, at the same timestamp, 1291 01:21:45,660 --> 01:21:50,820 or within the same minute. But it's always one always doesn't 1292 01:21:50,820 --> 01:21:54,300 matter. When I watch when I look almost always and then all of a 1293 01:21:54,300 --> 01:21:58,710 sudden, the other day, I think two days ago, all payments 1294 01:21:58,710 --> 01:22:03,510 stopped around 4pm Central Time, and didn't really start again 1295 01:22:03,510 --> 01:22:07,050 until 11. And I got freaked out. I'm like, something, something 1296 01:22:07,050 --> 01:22:11,460 cuz i, this is what I do. I analyze trends. And I've kind of 1297 01:22:11,460 --> 01:22:14,280 a neural networking capability, like, something's wrong 1298 01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:15,780 texted me, you're like what, hey, 1299 01:22:16,410 --> 01:22:22,950 something went wrong. Now, we think that a channel got full 1300 01:22:22,950 --> 01:22:27,120 and closed. And I do have some evidence of that on my node. So 1301 01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:31,080 it might have been an outbound outbound channel that just got 1302 01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:34,650 exhausted and wasn't, you know, autopilot didn't do its job for 1303 01:22:34,650 --> 01:22:37,710 those who understand. And there was no other route or something 1304 01:22:37,710 --> 01:22:41,130 like that. But that's how regular these payments are. So 1305 01:22:41,130 --> 01:22:45,390 imagine you have an app, and you just see money coming in, in the 1306 01:22:45,390 --> 01:22:50,610 form of satoshis every minute of the day, multiple entries. And 1307 01:22:50,610 --> 01:22:56,250 then just imagine what we have to do as a group to magnify that 1308 01:22:56,520 --> 01:23:00,600 and multiply it times 1000. Yeah, well, now all of a sudden, 1309 01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:03,810 we're all in business. And, again, I'll run through the 1310 01:23:03,810 --> 01:23:06,720 numbers. 100 million people in America, listen to one hour of 1311 01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:11,430 podcasts a day, we convert 1% of those hundred million people to 1312 01:23:11,610 --> 01:23:16,080 donate or pledge and use one of the apps that were that are 1313 01:23:16,650 --> 01:23:20,250 lightning enabled. It's a million dollars a day flowing to 1314 01:23:20,250 --> 01:23:24,870 the ecosystem gets your slice of it today. And while stocks last. 1315 01:23:26,250 --> 01:23:30,240 And I'm very happy to say that I've had ongoing conversations 1316 01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:35,970 with Roy scheinfeld from breeze wallet. And those guys are a 1317 01:23:35,970 --> 01:23:41,070 heads down and they are they are working on integrating 1318 01:23:41,070 --> 01:23:45,030 podcasting into their wallet. I think I think they may even 1319 01:23:45,030 --> 01:23:48,390 release it just as a podcast app that happens to have a wallet. 1320 01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:50,670 That would be the ultimate I think 1321 01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:54,960 we we talked a little bit about that in Frederick show they did 1322 01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:59,700 I understand correctly that they have that they're going to do a 1323 01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:03,870 release like a skeleton app or the source code for that. 1324 01:24:03,989 --> 01:24:07,439 Yeah, they will. Okay, yeah, the integration for it so they've 1325 01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:10,349 already the the breeze wallet code is already on GitHub and 1326 01:24:10,349 --> 01:24:14,249 available. So that gets they're gonna create rappers and stuff. 1327 01:24:15,089 --> 01:24:19,019 And I believe they're all doing it in HTML or maybe even react. 1328 01:24:19,019 --> 01:24:21,059 I don't know what the hell they're using. I need 1329 01:24:21,060 --> 01:24:24,960 to get back with Paul and Evan overs Thanks and see and we 1330 01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:27,510 can't talk to those guys. And well, we need to, but he didn't 1331 01:24:27,510 --> 01:24:29,760 hook up and have a meeting with them. And just see where 1332 01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:32,610 everything's at. What No, no, no, no, no, no, 1333 01:24:32,609 --> 01:24:33,749 no. Dave What 1334 01:24:33,750 --> 01:24:37,950 are you talking about? We need to bring him on the show. Oh, 1335 01:24:37,950 --> 01:24:44,580 yeah. Idiot. Yes. Boost boost. You get a boost sound. 1336 01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:47,610 Verbal boost. Yeah. We need him. 1337 01:24:48,330 --> 01:24:50,790 Let me see if I can get a boost to sound away. 1338 01:24:51,390 --> 01:24:54,270 There's There's got to be an audible boost on the because 1339 01:24:54,270 --> 01:24:55,200 this is too fun. 1340 01:24:55,260 --> 01:24:57,930 Let's see boost sound effects Hold on a second. Let me see 1341 01:24:57,930 --> 01:25:02,130 what I got here. Central. mucking around anyway. Let's 1342 01:25:02,130 --> 01:25:08,250 just see if I got a boost in this. I need to boost. Yes. 1343 01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:11,070 Boost baby. Yeah. 1344 01:25:14,580 --> 01:25:20,580 What was that? preview? Yeah, yeah, we need we need to we need 1345 01:25:20,580 --> 01:25:24,150 to get Jennifer Buchanan to do a boost sound at the top of it 1346 01:25:24,210 --> 01:25:28,770 you've boosted? Yes I'm like that That's awesome. 1347 01:25:30,239 --> 01:25:36,119 Yes. So now the beauty of what they're working on is they have 1348 01:25:36,119 --> 01:25:40,709 an app that is that is I think it's a neutrino app. So it's a 1349 01:25:40,709 --> 01:25:45,329 very lightweight Bitcoin lightning node that functions by 1350 01:25:45,329 --> 01:25:52,079 itself and has keys and outbound enabled. So in order to receive 1351 01:25:52,079 --> 01:25:54,929 satoshis, you need to have something that's online all the 1352 01:25:54,929 --> 01:25:58,559 time. But to send them you only have to be connected to be able 1353 01:25:58,559 --> 01:26:05,069 to send to whatever the whatever receiving node is programmed for 1354 01:26:05,069 --> 01:26:09,539 the for the value split. So this scales infinitely, at least 1355 01:26:09,539 --> 01:26:12,089 until we break the lightning network, but it scales 1356 01:26:12,119 --> 01:26:17,909 infinitely for people to use. And, and yeah, so even if 1357 01:26:17,909 --> 01:26:23,309 you're, if you're a podcaster maybe have a look@voltage.io or 1358 01:26:23,309 --> 01:26:26,699 raspy Blitz or Sphinx chat for me, you can use that perfectly 1359 01:26:26,699 --> 01:26:29,549 fine to use a node that you have over there to receive your 1360 01:26:29,549 --> 01:26:30,449 satoshis on 1361 01:26:31,110 --> 01:26:34,260 did a voltage node light node this past week? 1362 01:26:34,290 --> 01:26:37,800 Yeah, experience was great. Yeah, not fantastic. 1363 01:26:38,100 --> 01:26:40,440 Mm hmm. Once the light node works fine. Yeah. 1364 01:26:41,550 --> 01:26:44,340 I got the full blown big note. I didn't know at the time, just 1365 01:26:44,340 --> 01:26:46,950 like I'll just take the big note because I figured we got big 1366 01:26:46,950 --> 01:26:49,260 stuff coming in. Well, I almost wanted to I 1367 01:26:49,290 --> 01:26:51,270 almost did the big node then I was like, you know, I want to 1368 01:26:51,270 --> 01:26:54,420 get the light neutrino node just for a test run to see how it 1369 01:26:54,420 --> 01:26:57,570 works. Right. So far. It's been good rock solid. Yeah, 1370 01:26:57,600 --> 01:26:58,170 excellent. 1371 01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:01,920 Yeah. Yeah. Good over there. I like it. 1372 01:27:02,580 --> 01:27:05,700 By the way, you know, we were talking about we talked a little 1373 01:27:05,700 --> 01:27:07,350 bit about substack. Last week. 1374 01:27:07,890 --> 01:27:09,000 We agreed, yeah. 1375 01:27:09,060 --> 01:27:16,830 How they felt like how they do fees. Mm hmm. I found there's a 1376 01:27:16,830 --> 01:27:21,120 really good article called the substack irati. From the 1377 01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:27,420 Columbia Journalism Review, and it's says in here that they take 1378 01:27:27,420 --> 01:27:33,810 10% Yeah, it says the guys devised, guys she's referring 1379 01:27:33,870 --> 01:27:38,580 Guys, guys, is the guys that started. By the way, it's very 1380 01:27:38,580 --> 01:27:39,960 interesting article if you if you're 1381 01:27:39,989 --> 01:27:41,639 putting it in the show notes right now. 1382 01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:48,750 And it's worth a full res very long, but it's worth reading it 1383 01:27:48,750 --> 01:27:53,670 for a lot of different reasons. So the Clio, 1384 01:27:53,700 --> 01:27:55,200 the Clio Chang article. 1385 01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:58,739 Yes, exactly. Right. Now part of the part of this article feels 1386 01:27:58,859 --> 01:28:07,409 feels different feels defensive of the J squad. The It feels 1387 01:28:07,409 --> 01:28:13,589 like a journalist trying to contain one. Yeah, yeah. But 1388 01:28:13,589 --> 01:28:16,379 there's also political Anyway, there's this very interesting 1389 01:28:16,379 --> 01:28:21,599 article, but she she says that this is the guys talking about 1390 01:28:21,599 --> 01:28:26,279 the founders of substack devised a system of taking a 10% cut 1391 01:28:26,279 --> 01:28:29,399 from subscriptions. stripe, the credit card service that 1392 01:28:29,399 --> 01:28:34,739 processes the fees would take an X would take 2.9% plus 30 cents 1393 01:28:34,739 --> 01:28:41,489 per transaction, which they felt tied down to the riders. Ah, so 1394 01:28:41,759 --> 01:28:46,979 I don't it's a little difficult to decipher issue means 10% cut 1395 01:28:47,069 --> 01:28:52,769 and in stripe is an additional 2.9%. Or, I'm not sure how they 1396 01:28:52,799 --> 01:28:57,119 But anyways, 10% and then minimum, perhaps 12.9%. So I 1397 01:28:57,119 --> 01:29:01,739 don't know. But that's not it, so that you do that compared to 1398 01:29:03,269 --> 01:29:09,659 compared to the value block. And there's there's potentially 1399 01:29:09,659 --> 01:29:12,749 nothing if you don't want it to be or you know, if you're 1400 01:29:12,779 --> 01:29:16,259 stingy. Or if you want to you know, if you're willing to split 1401 01:29:16,259 --> 01:29:21,959 out some for other things like the podcast app, and the index 1402 01:29:21,959 --> 01:29:24,599 or, you know, all these other things. There's there's other 1403 01:29:24,599 --> 01:29:28,079 ways to slice it, but it's definitely well south of 10%. 1404 01:29:28,590 --> 01:29:30,330 Oh, no kidding. No kidding. 1405 01:29:31,590 --> 01:29:33,930 Oh, my good not to worry about being d platformed. It's 1406 01:29:34,500 --> 01:29:36,750 cheaper, and you don't have to worry about D platform. 1407 01:29:37,529 --> 01:29:44,489 And it helps create an ecosystem. Yeah. Yep. It really 1408 01:29:44,489 --> 01:29:49,859 does. And I think if only if we start with the, with lightning 1409 01:29:49,859 --> 01:29:54,059 payments for work that's being done and for value splits and 1410 01:29:54,059 --> 01:29:57,899 credits, you know, it it's priming the pump, and I'm just 1411 01:29:57,899 --> 01:30:01,019 seeing this the this machine is rolling it Is it is just 1412 01:30:01,019 --> 01:30:05,129 running. It's like, as an entrepreneur, there's different 1413 01:30:05,129 --> 01:30:09,059 moments in it. And I've started several companies and taken one 1414 01:30:09,059 --> 01:30:12,389 public. And so there's all these moments that you kind of come to 1415 01:30:12,389 --> 01:30:16,319 recognize. And when all of a sudden, you spin the wheel and 1416 01:30:16,319 --> 01:30:20,369 the flywheel keeps going. And this is an incredible moment, 1417 01:30:20,369 --> 01:30:23,879 and that's what's taking place here. The flywheel is spinning 1418 01:30:23,909 --> 01:30:28,139 in perpetual motion by itself. Okay, we had some kind of slow 1419 01:30:28,139 --> 01:30:33,539 down the other day between 4pm and 11pm. But the thing is 1420 01:30:33,539 --> 01:30:38,009 spinning, it's really happening. And all we need is just more 1421 01:30:38,009 --> 01:30:41,459 apps to support this. And the podcasters. And everything will 1422 01:30:41,459 --> 01:30:45,479 come I mean, the Bitcoin guys, they're having a ball. Yeah, 1423 01:30:45,479 --> 01:30:49,649 Bitcoin podcasts aren't the jack, Jack's man. It's 1424 01:30:49,649 --> 01:30:50,849 fantastic. Yeah, 1425 01:30:51,060 --> 01:30:54,210 there's so I looked it up, there's 10 podcasts total, with 1426 01:30:54,210 --> 01:30:58,140 a block enabled in the index so far. So if he didn't match, you 1427 01:30:58,140 --> 01:31:02,490 just imagine, you know, if you go, you know, if you multiply 1428 01:31:02,490 --> 01:31:08,880 that, that times, you know, if you go up to 100, podcasts, we 1429 01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:11,430 know what they're doing, you're talking about, all of a sudden, 1430 01:31:11,430 --> 01:31:15,720 you that's meaningful money that begins to support, like, for our 1431 01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:20,010 standpoint, begins to support. Let's just go up to 1000 1432 01:31:20,010 --> 01:31:24,270 podcasts. Now you're talking about 70 $700 a month. Now 1433 01:31:24,270 --> 01:31:27,270 you're talking about being able to cover all the hosting fees, 1434 01:31:27,300 --> 01:31:32,280 all of our stuff. Yep. All of the infrastructure with 1000 1435 01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:37,530 podcasts. And that's, that's at 1%. And if the app takes 1% now 1436 01:31:37,530 --> 01:31:40,890 the app guys are getting paid. Significant. Yeah. I mean, a 1437 01:31:40,890 --> 01:31:44,700 decent amount of money. I mean, like, that's what, there's no, 1438 01:31:45,030 --> 01:31:49,230 if you take somebody like hyper catcher, I'd love to he would 1439 01:31:49,230 --> 01:31:53,520 love to be getting $500 a month. Sure. And he can get it he can 1440 01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:55,350 get it being worth his time. 1441 01:31:55,380 --> 01:32:00,180 Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Anyway, no, so we'll publish that. I think 1442 01:32:00,180 --> 01:32:03,750 we also should add to the new podcast apps, maybe someone we 1443 01:32:03,750 --> 01:32:06,210 have to surface I know you've made an endpoint for it. We need 1444 01:32:06,210 --> 01:32:10,260 to surface the value block enabled the shows 1445 01:32:10,859 --> 01:32:13,439 yet Trent is redoing the website. Ah, 1446 01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:15,390 drug Play Doh to the rescue. 1447 01:32:15,870 --> 01:32:20,460 Yeah, I had a GSE meeting with him the other day. And a great 1448 01:32:20,460 --> 01:32:21,090 guy, man. 1449 01:32:21,210 --> 01:32:23,880 Oh, no, I've had coffee with him here in town. He's a fabulous 1450 01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:24,210 guy. 1451 01:32:24,570 --> 01:32:25,710 He's in Austin. Hester. 1452 01:32:25,710 --> 01:32:29,160 Yeah, he's, uh, he recently moved here. You know, he's, he's 1453 01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:32,430 like, younger than my daughter. But you wouldn't know it. I 1454 01:32:32,430 --> 01:32:35,730 mean, the guy is just like wood. He's very worldly, super smart, 1455 01:32:35,730 --> 01:32:38,460 and very, very talented. He's, 1456 01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:39,360 he's an old soul. 1457 01:32:39,389 --> 01:32:41,189 Mm hmm. There you go. That's it. 1458 01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:45,600 Yeah, but he's, he's redoing the website. And so he's just, it's 1459 01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:48,270 not gonna be a major change. But he's just like restructuring it 1460 01:32:48,300 --> 01:32:51,270 and reformatting some stuff. So I'm gonna let him finish that 1461 01:32:51,270 --> 01:32:55,740 first, before I make any big changes to it. And then once he 1462 01:32:55,740 --> 01:32:58,770 gets that done, then I'm going to put up the do the feats page 1463 01:32:58,770 --> 01:32:59,190 and all that. 1464 01:32:59,580 --> 01:33:03,570 So let's get you Paul on Evan from Smith's chat for next week 1465 01:33:03,570 --> 01:33:06,630 if they can make it. Well, we already got next week. Oh, who 1466 01:33:06,630 --> 01:33:08,700 do we have next week? next week. Dave? 1467 01:33:09,510 --> 01:33:12,510 The guests from transistor. Oh, cool. 1468 01:33:12,570 --> 01:33:14,730 Okay. All right. Don't do it after them. Do we have another 1469 01:33:14,730 --> 01:33:15,870 week before Christmas? 1470 01:33:16,530 --> 01:33:18,630 We got to figure out what to do about Christmas because 1471 01:33:18,630 --> 01:33:22,620 Christmas Friday falls on the 25th it is Christmas Day. So we 1472 01:33:22,620 --> 01:33:24,300 need to pre record something I think. 1473 01:33:28,350 --> 01:33:30,420 Yeah, well, I don't know. Yeah, we'll think of we'll think of 1474 01:33:30,420 --> 01:33:35,490 what to do. I wonder if we could get James Cridland on for? Let's 1475 01:33:35,490 --> 01:33:38,130 see if it's Christmas for us. It'll be New Year's in 1476 01:33:38,130 --> 01:33:39,870 Australia. So 1477 01:33:40,739 --> 01:33:41,609 yeah. 1478 01:33:42,479 --> 01:33:45,839 I'd love to have James on. I'd very much want to have James. 1479 01:33:45,839 --> 01:33:46,349 Okay. 1480 01:33:46,350 --> 01:33:51,480 So let's say 6pm. His time isn't known. 6pm Our time is 9am his 1481 01:33:51,480 --> 01:33:51,720 time? 1482 01:33:51,809 --> 01:33:53,279 Oh, well. We can do it at 6pm. 1483 01:33:54,059 --> 01:33:57,329 Yeah, the ethics. Especially if it's an off day. Yeah, it is not 1484 01:33:57,329 --> 01:33:59,579 a Friday. Yeah, we can do that. 1485 01:34:01,409 --> 01:34:08,849 We'll work on James but so we got a transistor next week. And 1486 01:34:08,849 --> 01:34:11,069 then can we do Paul and Evan, I want to get ball on Amazon. 1487 01:34:11,189 --> 01:34:14,189 The week after? Yeah, yeah. If you think and then 1488 01:34:15,180 --> 01:34:16,230 you mean my wine. 1489 01:34:20,130 --> 01:34:21,660 Okay, we can 1490 01:34:22,859 --> 01:34:23,909 talk namespace 1491 01:34:23,910 --> 01:34:29,010 when you have to clean your room first. My room is clean as a 1492 01:34:29,010 --> 01:34:32,190 whistle. It is man. That picture your studio was bombed. 1493 01:34:32,489 --> 01:34:36,059 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I realized later that people look at like, 1494 01:34:36,089 --> 01:34:39,239 oh, okay, it looks cool. But they don't really understand. 1495 01:34:39,419 --> 01:34:42,719 This is custom made for me for the way I set up my gear which 1496 01:34:42,719 --> 01:34:47,459 is portable. So I mean, it's, it's, it's so perfect. I'm so 1497 01:34:47,459 --> 01:34:48,119 happy here. 1498 01:34:48,479 --> 01:34:51,929 Now. I like that they is this LED string lights. 1499 01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:56,160 That's the cheapest addition to my studio and I have little 1500 01:34:56,160 --> 01:35:00,000 remote control. So I like the blue kind of purplish blue. 1501 01:35:00,750 --> 01:35:06,090 harem look when I'm doing now often when I do show I'll, I'll 1502 01:35:06,090 --> 01:35:10,050 do a little orange to get it because it gives you energy. And 1503 01:35:10,050 --> 01:35:12,210 you can do it all you can do it all from from the remote 1504 01:35:12,210 --> 01:35:15,870 control. That was literally like 20 bucks before the stream in 1505 01:35:15,870 --> 01:35:18,750 there all the time all the time. Yeah, I'm Uh, I'm the guy that 1506 01:35:18,750 --> 01:35:22,740 has the dark studio. I don't want the outside in. So I can 1507 01:35:22,830 --> 01:35:28,080 totally my, my space right now is the screen in front of me to 1508 01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:30,750 the left is where I see your meter go up and down that 1509 01:35:30,750 --> 01:35:34,140 represents you. And to the right is jingles or, you know, like 1510 01:35:34,140 --> 01:35:37,650 this stuff. And I'm just in my little world, man. I don't see 1511 01:35:37,650 --> 01:35:38,730 anything outside of it. I 1512 01:35:38,730 --> 01:35:42,840 love it. That's perfect. I'm currently podcasting from my 1513 01:35:43,170 --> 01:35:45,900 hallway. I'm in the flub sitting in the floor. 1514 01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:48,060 This is one of your better studios. 1515 01:35:48,360 --> 01:35:48,690 It 1516 01:35:49,380 --> 01:35:53,250 sounds very good. I'm very nice. And I got a lot less of the fire 1517 01:35:53,250 --> 01:35:54,480 truck going by this time. 1518 01:35:54,779 --> 01:35:59,129 Yeah. I'm perfectly enclosed in here now. It's it knows good. 1519 01:35:59,399 --> 01:36:05,969 Yeah. So like, and I've also got Todd and I talked to Mike. Mike 1520 01:36:05,969 --> 01:36:08,519 from blueberry blueberry. Yeah, and I've got Todd and Mike are 1521 01:36:08,519 --> 01:36:10,319 gonna be on with us in January. Ah, 1522 01:36:10,319 --> 01:36:14,519 super. Oh, man. Now we're cooking with gas. And we got to 1523 01:36:14,519 --> 01:36:19,469 get Martin on. Yes, absolutely. Well, everybody, we need to get 1524 01:36:19,469 --> 01:36:25,529 everybody on. Party. Just like a potty. Exactly. All right. Uh, 1525 01:36:25,559 --> 01:36:29,339 yeah. I think we've we've, we've the board. We had a quorum, we 1526 01:36:29,339 --> 01:36:35,459 can close it out. Yes. Anything else you need that I can conjure 1527 01:36:35,459 --> 01:36:36,359 out of air for you. 1528 01:36:36,899 --> 01:36:43,319 And I need to talk about the Amazon outage. But another do 1529 01:36:43,319 --> 01:36:45,869 that today. We're gonna talk about that in the next week. I 1530 01:36:45,869 --> 01:36:49,379 guess. Next time we have a non guest we will talk about the 1531 01:36:49,379 --> 01:36:51,389 Amazon. There's a lot to learn. 1532 01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:54,660 Ah, okay. Well, that is important to do. So let's let's 1533 01:36:54,660 --> 01:36:56,820 make sure we remember that because I have my own theories 1534 01:36:56,820 --> 01:37:00,540 about the Amazon outage. Okay, it may surprise you. 1535 01:37:01,020 --> 01:37:05,820 I have a printout of their post mortem. Ooh, that is marked up, 1536 01:37:05,850 --> 01:37:08,820 but we'll save that for the next show. Yeah, I think that's 1537 01:37:08,820 --> 01:37:12,300 great. All right. Dave. Have a great weekend. My brother, you 1538 01:37:12,300 --> 01:37:16,740 too man. And everybody else. This has been podcasting. 2.0 1539 01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:20,970 Episode Number 14. We'll see you again next Friday. Take it easy. 1540 01:37:22,770 --> 01:37:26,400 Everybody. See you next time podcasting 2.0 1541 01:37:41,220 --> 01:37:45,780 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 to visit podcast 1542 01:37:45,780 --> 01:37:48,540 in this Zack Hall. For more information.