1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,530 podcasting 2.0 2 00:00:01,530 --> 00:00:06,720 for November 20 2020, Episode Number 12 we're breaking code. 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,770 Gotta stretch those words out even longer. Stay in the music 4 00:00:15,990 --> 00:00:19,380 It's Friday once again, everybody we are meeting with 5 00:00:19,380 --> 00:00:25,110 the board of podcast index.org. And now the man who did a 6 00:00:25,110 --> 00:00:28,530 decade's worth of work in three months, Dave and namespace 7 00:00:28,530 --> 00:00:28,950 Slayer. 8 00:00:32,009 --> 00:00:35,189 I guess our first topic of the board meeting is discussing the 9 00:00:37,049 --> 00:00:39,389 understanding foundation million dollar offer. We have to buy 10 00:00:39,389 --> 00:00:45,929 podcast index, Spotify. I voted down. I don't think we should do 11 00:00:45,929 --> 00:00:45,989 it. 12 00:00:46,019 --> 00:00:48,809 No, no, no, I don't I think they're too small for us. 13 00:00:49,530 --> 00:00:53,790 Oh, yeah, I'm holding out for at least 250. megaphone get to 50. 14 00:00:53,790 --> 00:00:58,110 We got I mean, like, we don't do anything. We don't do 1% of what 15 00:00:58,110 --> 00:00:59,430 they do. So we should get at least 16 00:01:00,090 --> 00:01:02,040 at least a couple mil right there. 17 00:01:02,250 --> 00:01:03,180 Yeah, sure. 18 00:01:04,950 --> 00:01:07,800 All right, everybody. This is where we discuss podcasting. 19 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,100 2.0, we bring you up to speed and all the developments. And 20 00:01:11,100 --> 00:01:15,330 these literally are developments taking place at podcast 21 00:01:15,330 --> 00:01:19,800 index.org and our sister site where we hang out podcast index 22 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,940 dot social, which is a mastodon site. So you can follow at Adam 23 00:01:23,940 --> 00:01:27,510 at podcast index dot social net, David podcast, index dot social. 24 00:01:27,510 --> 00:01:31,890 And, man, we got stuff to talk about this week. Every week, 25 00:01:31,890 --> 00:01:35,730 there's a lot going on. Maybe let's just start with the bugs 26 00:01:35,730 --> 00:01:38,700 and affected people who might have been listening to this 27 00:01:38,700 --> 00:01:44,430 podcast. If you were listening on podcast addict. We found out 28 00:01:44,430 --> 00:01:50,010 that the way I was publishing with doing the transcripts later 29 00:01:51,330 --> 00:01:54,990 broke the player. Which was really quite interesting. 30 00:01:54,990 --> 00:01:55,500 Actually. 31 00:01:55,740 --> 00:02:00,030 It was what do you want to say? Why? Like, tell you're like, 32 00:02:00,030 --> 00:02:00,780 yeah, 33 00:02:00,780 --> 00:02:03,840 like, I'll explain the process. Yeah, yeah. Cuz the the process 34 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:08,370 is important. Because I think I'm not the only person who 35 00:02:08,670 --> 00:02:14,910 records and publishes this way. After I do a show any show, I 36 00:02:14,940 --> 00:02:17,460 want to get it out as soon as possible, especially the no 37 00:02:17,460 --> 00:02:20,490 agenda show. But you know, because that's also streamed 38 00:02:20,490 --> 00:02:23,610 live. But I want to get it out as soon as possible. And it 39 00:02:23,610 --> 00:02:27,510 takes time to get some chapter stuff going and to get the 40 00:02:27,510 --> 00:02:33,450 transcripts done by otter.ai. Ai. So what I've been doing, 41 00:02:33,450 --> 00:02:39,900 since it's very difficult with caching and how apps access the 42 00:02:39,900 --> 00:02:43,470 feed, and then you know, if a change is reflected across apps, 43 00:02:43,470 --> 00:02:47,910 it's a mess. So, so it what didn't work out is publishing my 44 00:02:47,910 --> 00:02:53,550 feed, and then later adding the tags for captions and for 45 00:02:53,550 --> 00:02:57,510 chapters, because that typically wouldn't get that wouldn't flow 46 00:02:57,510 --> 00:03:01,110 through even with an update to the index, it just, it's just 47 00:03:01,110 --> 00:03:01,350 not 48 00:03:01,380 --> 00:03:04,860 because the GUI doesn't change, right? I think it's anything new 49 00:03:04,860 --> 00:03:05,580 about it. And if 50 00:03:05,580 --> 00:03:09,750 you change the G UID, then you get the episode twice, and most 51 00:03:09,750 --> 00:03:15,540 podcast apps, it's, it's quite as quite ugly. So I decided that 52 00:03:15,540 --> 00:03:19,770 the easiest way would just be to create dummy URLs, which I knew 53 00:03:19,770 --> 00:03:24,390 would be the correct URLs. And that's kind of a kind of a fun 54 00:03:24,390 --> 00:03:28,170 little game that I have to play with hyper catcher because hyper 55 00:03:28,170 --> 00:03:35,670 catcher has an API endpoint that that becomes the URL. So these 56 00:03:35,670 --> 00:03:38,550 community chapters flow through even after the show is 57 00:03:38,550 --> 00:03:42,060 published, because the URL remains the same. But I still 58 00:03:42,060 --> 00:03:45,660 have to put that into the feed first, so that at least the 59 00:03:45,660 --> 00:03:50,070 information flows through to the apps and then for some reason on 60 00:03:50,070 --> 00:03:52,620 podcast addict and these will take a day or two before I have 61 00:03:52,620 --> 00:03:55,500 all my all my junk together and you know, have have the 62 00:03:55,500 --> 00:03:58,500 transcripts uploaded and everything, just because it's a 63 00:03:58,500 --> 00:04:02,430 three and a half hour show and I'm tired and takes time and you 64 00:04:02,430 --> 00:04:05,670 know, I'll do it tomorrow. But I mean, even if even if the 65 00:04:05,670 --> 00:04:08,280 community you know, does the chapters man that still takes a 66 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,200 while for three and a half hour show and saying 67 00:04:10,260 --> 00:04:12,300 yeah, that's a lot of content. Yeah, you can't 68 00:04:12,330 --> 00:04:16,110 and and of course it's a catch 22 because you can't use Piper 69 00:04:16,110 --> 00:04:19,590 catcher to author the chapters unless the show is in the feed. 70 00:04:21,030 --> 00:04:26,460 Just to make it he is so hyper catcher as a as a personal app 71 00:04:26,490 --> 00:04:30,660 podcast that you can suggest chapters and then as the 72 00:04:30,660 --> 00:04:36,360 podcasts you can go into a back end system, which is hyper 73 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:40,110 Capture Studio, and then you can approve what anyone submits, 74 00:04:40,110 --> 00:04:43,530 which I like a lot because it's a lot of work. I just did the 75 00:04:43,530 --> 00:04:47,010 show then to listen to it again and put markers in. Now I can 76 00:04:47,010 --> 00:04:51,120 enhance it with images and add URLs but if people at least are 77 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,820 doing the markers and the and the titles, it's extremely 78 00:04:53,820 --> 00:04:55,080 handy. Okay, 79 00:04:55,080 --> 00:05:00,840 let me ask you a question. So if if the chapter There's that 80 00:05:00,840 --> 00:05:06,600 you're creating in hyper Capture Studio. It obviously depends on 81 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:11,250 the episode being in the feed. But does it depend on like this, 82 00:05:11,250 --> 00:05:15,090 but the URL that it gives you for the chapters file? That's 83 00:05:15,090 --> 00:05:18,870 not somehow tied to the fate? Like you could use that? 84 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:20,550 Anywhere, right? 85 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:27,450 The the way hyper Capture Studio determines the URL is based upon 86 00:05:27,450 --> 00:05:32,640 the geo ID. Okay, so I know that my 87 00:05:32,670 --> 00:05:35,220 once you have that, once you have the URL, you can stick it 88 00:05:35,220 --> 00:05:35,910 anywhere. And I can, 89 00:05:35,910 --> 00:05:38,640 yeah, then I can stick it in exactly. But it's but it's 90 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:44,190 empty. And if it and again, until I've created the first 91 00:05:44,190 --> 00:05:47,730 entry in the chapter file, that URL doesn't actually exist. 92 00:05:48,990 --> 00:05:52,470 Because I'm thinking that I'm just thinking that what, what 93 00:05:52,470 --> 00:05:57,150 you could have is a is a dummy feed, that you put the podcast 94 00:05:57,150 --> 00:06:05,070 into just long enough to get the to get a working URL, and then 95 00:06:05,070 --> 00:06:09,030 stick that URL into the real feed with the real podcast. 96 00:06:09,719 --> 00:06:14,129 They do this with one leg in the air and in one hand tied behind 97 00:06:14,129 --> 00:06:20,249 my back. In my face is that this is this is going to introduce a 98 00:06:20,249 --> 00:06:21,719 lot of other errors. 99 00:06:21,750 --> 00:06:23,010 I see nothing wrong with this. 100 00:06:24,750 --> 00:06:28,830 Well, so the podcast addict developers, I'm sorry, no, no 101 00:06:28,830 --> 00:06:31,320 his name. He said 102 00:06:31,409 --> 00:06:32,279 that Xavier. 103 00:06:32,460 --> 00:06:35,760 Oh, Xavier. He says, What's going on is that on Android, 104 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:39,060 because it works, I think every haven't received any other bug 105 00:06:39,060 --> 00:06:45,330 reports. But this is specific to Android and the Google player 106 00:06:45,330 --> 00:06:49,710 that play engine or something. And for some reason, it's it's 107 00:06:49,710 --> 00:06:53,970 barking out when it sees that there's a 404, which is I don't 108 00:06:53,970 --> 00:06:57,780 think anything should work out on a 404. But it does. So his 109 00:06:57,780 --> 00:07:00,660 he's already patched that and it's uploaded to beta. But we 110 00:07:00,660 --> 00:07:02,850 know that'll take a while before it gets through. And everyone 111 00:07:02,850 --> 00:07:06,420 updates. So what I'm going to do now is I'm going to create the, 112 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:15,120 the actual files. So for and chapters wasn't an issue. 113 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:19,290 Because chapters I can get going really quick. I can just make a 114 00:07:19,290 --> 00:07:22,470 start entry and you're done. Then that URL is active. 115 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:24,660 Like you just put intro zero, 116 00:07:24,690 --> 00:07:30,600 right and go exactly, exactly. But for. For the transcript, it 117 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,150 just takes time. It takes a couple hours for the for the 118 00:07:33,150 --> 00:07:34,170 transcript to be done. 119 00:07:34,740 --> 00:07:37,170 It really doesn't take that long. Yes. Yeah. Well, it's 120 00:07:37,170 --> 00:07:39,450 three and a half hours or two dudes. yappin. 121 00:07:39,870 --> 00:07:40,620 Yeah, yeah, I 122 00:07:40,620 --> 00:07:45,240 guess. So. Yeah. Yeah. And it tries to do I mean, if I really 123 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,270 want to do it nicely, then I'd let it because it still has 124 00:07:48,270 --> 00:07:52,410 problems. You can identify. Okay, here are the voices. He 125 00:07:52,410 --> 00:07:55,470 said, this is Adam. This is john, or this is Adam, this is 126 00:07:55,470 --> 00:07:59,160 Dave. But it's still goes through the whole transcript 127 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,970 every single time. tries to figure it out. If it doesn't 128 00:08:02,970 --> 00:08:05,850 know, then you have to say, Okay, this is Adam. But it 129 00:08:05,850 --> 00:08:09,690 doesn't just replace speaker one with Adam all the way down. It 130 00:08:09,690 --> 00:08:14,610 has to be done for every single entry, unless you want it to run 131 00:08:14,610 --> 00:08:20,160 for hours on end. So it's far from perfect. And I'm not I 132 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,070 forget what the buzzsprout guys were using, but I might want to 133 00:08:23,070 --> 00:08:23,880 switch to that. 134 00:08:24,630 --> 00:08:26,850 I thought they were using otter. Oh, 135 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:32,040 I think way. It's definitely something was something else. I 136 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,860 thought I can't remember what they suggested to them. And 137 00:08:34,890 --> 00:08:39,150 otter was simple. And it's not too expensive. Because you know, 138 00:08:39,150 --> 00:08:41,520 it's not free. But nor should it be 139 00:08:42,809 --> 00:08:46,919 that I think he I think what he told us started with a tea, and 140 00:08:46,919 --> 00:08:48,059 I can't remember the name of it 141 00:08:48,150 --> 00:08:53,970 all figured out. Anyway, so. So just and this is important, 142 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:58,860 because as developers, you have the use cases and workflows in 143 00:08:58,860 --> 00:09:05,010 mind that can vary widely from publisher to publisher. So and 144 00:09:05,010 --> 00:09:09,540 especially, you know, it's like, chapters itself become something 145 00:09:09,780 --> 00:09:14,130 incredibly cool. I love showing my chapters in pod friend, 146 00:09:14,700 --> 00:09:18,960 because pod friend pops it up like a slideshow. Yeah, you 147 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,810 know, it's really pretty. And then that is if you have an 148 00:09:21,810 --> 00:09:23,400 image URL in there. 149 00:09:23,849 --> 00:09:26,549 And then it's same with the same hyper hyper 150 00:09:26,550 --> 00:09:29,790 kecia does the same. Yep. And so I love showing that and that's, 151 00:09:29,790 --> 00:09:33,390 that's more than to me. That's a huge benefit. It's not just oh, 152 00:09:33,390 --> 00:09:35,910 I want to skip ahead to something now. It's like, Oh, 153 00:09:36,330 --> 00:09:36,810 yeah. 154 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,890 Oh, that's interesting. What's that chart they're talking 155 00:09:40,890 --> 00:09:44,070 about? Oh, there's the chart popped right up. Now you have, 156 00:09:44,130 --> 00:09:46,290 you know, like a third dimension that you're adding to the 157 00:09:46,290 --> 00:09:47,040 podcast, which 158 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:51,270 I love. It's I'm very excited about this. Does does hyper 159 00:09:51,270 --> 00:09:55,080 kitcher Studio allow you to specify those things without 160 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,710 chapter markers, like silent, basically silent chapters where 161 00:09:58,710 --> 00:10:00,870 it doesn't give you a jump point. It just shows you the 162 00:10:00,870 --> 00:10:01,350 image. 163 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:03,780 Um, 164 00:10:05,130 --> 00:10:06,780 I don't remember if he supported that or not, 165 00:10:06,810 --> 00:10:13,920 no, in fact, you name it, it's asking you just an image not a 166 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:14,580 URL. 167 00:10:14,910 --> 00:10:18,000 Well, no, like in this in the spec, and it's there. It was a 168 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,640 recent change that we made sort of 169 00:10:20,670 --> 00:10:22,110 to the namespace spec you me? 170 00:10:22,140 --> 00:10:25,980 Yeah, it was a change we made maybe a week and a half before 171 00:10:25,980 --> 00:10:30,810 it finalized or two weeks before finalized. We put in the table 172 00:10:30,810 --> 00:10:35,610 of contents property, where you can basically say, you know, 173 00:10:35,610 --> 00:10:38,460 here's a podcast, here's a chapter marker that starts at 174 00:10:38,460 --> 00:10:43,080 this many seconds. But it does, but but it does not go it should 175 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,320 not be visible in the table of contents for the chapters. So 176 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,410 that it's not a jump point that you can jump to with the player. 177 00:10:49,830 --> 00:10:51,660 It triggers an action. 178 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:59,190 That's a good question. I in fact, on on pod friend, I don't 179 00:10:59,190 --> 00:11:01,830 even think you can use it as jump. Oh, no, you can. So it 180 00:11:01,830 --> 00:11:06,960 shows that the main image window rotates. And then below there is 181 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,590 a list. That's your table of contents. Yeah, it does list 182 00:11:10,590 --> 00:11:11,910 everything. It does. 183 00:11:12,030 --> 00:11:12,570 Okay. 184 00:11:13,410 --> 00:11:16,140 I don't mind you know that that's okay. That's okay. For 185 00:11:16,140 --> 00:11:20,430 me. I just love it when apps actually show the image like I 186 00:11:20,430 --> 00:11:26,760 think pod verse shows little thumbnails and has the as a more 187 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:31,590 traditional approach to chapters as jump points. Down at the 188 00:11:31,590 --> 00:11:35,880 bottom of the episode. But regardless, all of this shit is 189 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:42,150 cool. It really is. And it's, and of course, leave it to me to 190 00:11:42,150 --> 00:11:45,930 break stuff. Because who else would figure this one out? But 191 00:11:45,930 --> 00:11:46,500 Oh, yeah. 192 00:11:47,310 --> 00:11:50,430 But if that's your that's your that's your most your time, 193 00:11:50,430 --> 00:11:52,110 talent? treasure? That's your talent added? 194 00:11:52,110 --> 00:11:58,350 Yes, it's my superpower. Yeah. But it's, it's it's good that we 195 00:11:58,350 --> 00:12:03,450 find this out. And, you know, but despite all of that, still, 196 00:12:03,540 --> 00:12:06,600 it's pretty foolproof. I mean, the system works. The chapters 197 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:11,730 are flowing, the transcripts are flowing. I'm I'm very happy. 198 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,440 This is this is good. 199 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,750 I still got a, you know, still got a lack of tools. Really? I 200 00:12:18,750 --> 00:12:22,530 mean, yeah, you know, I mean, there, yes, the tools exist. I 201 00:12:22,530 --> 00:12:24,240 mean, we're talking about applicator studio, we're talking 202 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,480 about, you know, bus, bus browse tools, and those kind of things, 203 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:33,360 but they just need to mature. So that so the average human beings 204 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,660 can do it. Well, but you know, then again, average human beings 205 00:12:36,660 --> 00:12:39,420 are not doing well, most of what you're doing. I mean, like they, 206 00:12:39,630 --> 00:12:43,590 they're just going into their host and hitting publish and 207 00:12:43,590 --> 00:12:43,920 dropping. 208 00:12:44,250 --> 00:12:50,310 Right? The easiest thing for every podcast, I know this just 209 00:12:50,310 --> 00:12:54,090 from experience, if you have and we started this with the no 210 00:12:54,090 --> 00:12:57,270 agenda player, which sadly went defunct, but it kind of got 211 00:12:57,270 --> 00:13:07,590 resurrected in. In the new no agenda. show.net sight is the 212 00:13:07,620 --> 00:13:12,120 ability to mark chapters, and the audience will do that. And I 213 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,510 think I think that that's incredibly valuable. And 214 00:13:15,510 --> 00:13:18,870 there's, there's some cultural around it. But as you point out, 215 00:13:18,870 --> 00:13:22,260 there's just not enough tools. But I would say as a as a 216 00:13:22,260 --> 00:13:25,410 content producer, as a podcaster, I would happily pay 217 00:13:25,410 --> 00:13:30,120 for that, I would happily pay for a community tool that spits 218 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:35,040 out a URL that is known obviously, so I can put it into 219 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:40,380 my feed before it actually exists. And, and have the 220 00:13:40,380 --> 00:13:46,260 ability for the my listeners who I happen to call producers, but 221 00:13:46,260 --> 00:13:52,200 any listeners to add the chapter markers, that's worth money. 222 00:13:52,650 --> 00:13:56,220 That's a great tool. Now, I like hyper catchers model because 223 00:13:56,280 --> 00:14:00,630 it's kind of a two way street where in order to use the 224 00:14:00,630 --> 00:14:05,220 studio, your mirror, your audience must use the hyper 225 00:14:05,220 --> 00:14:09,420 catcher app. So that's kind of promoting the app at the same 226 00:14:09,420 --> 00:14:13,950 time, which I think is a super smart model. But in general, if 227 00:14:13,950 --> 00:14:19,080 there were just a service that any app could tie into, that 228 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:25,350 produces a JSON URL for chapters. So it by itself has an 229 00:14:25,350 --> 00:14:30,660 API I pay for that. I pay for hosting. You know what 230 00:14:31,230 --> 00:14:34,260 transcripts of pay for that it's pretty simple service, I 231 00:14:34,260 --> 00:14:38,670 think well, it reminds me of sort of the H the H AI stuff 232 00:14:38,670 --> 00:14:43,320 with the Sphinx was doing around Maru trying to trying to find 233 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,560 duplicates and and fraud feeds. You know, if there were a 234 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:50,760 service like that where you could, you know, pay almost like 235 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,060 a Mechanical Turk type thing where you where you could pay a 236 00:14:54,300 --> 00:14:58,140 you know, a fee and then people will get paid with lightning 237 00:14:58,140 --> 00:15:02,280 payments or you know, some small trends. actions in order to get 238 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:06,330 in there and, and create the chapters and that sort of thing. 239 00:15:06,630 --> 00:15:09,240 That would be a great paid service, because it's really 240 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,690 hard. Like he can't do it without a tie. And you really, 241 00:15:13,260 --> 00:15:16,650 there's just not a way to do any of this stuff without a person 242 00:15:16,650 --> 00:15:21,570 doing it. And but in rough you have, you know, three and a half 243 00:15:21,570 --> 00:15:25,950 hour show. I mean, the having to create into the podcaster 244 00:15:25,950 --> 00:15:30,390 themselves go through and just spend, I mean, you got to at 245 00:15:30,390 --> 00:15:32,730 least listen to all three and a half hours and you're going to 246 00:15:32,730 --> 00:15:34,710 be stopping but did you get it right? You know yet right now. 247 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,580 But the proof is in the pudding, go look at SoundCloud, go look 248 00:15:38,580 --> 00:15:42,240 at the popularity of people posting comments in the timeline 249 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:47,010 that on SoundCloud, it's you literally see a waveform. This 250 00:15:47,010 --> 00:15:52,650 is hugely popular. This is this is a very obvious feature that 251 00:15:52,650 --> 00:15:57,960 people love. And it's in the ability to be able to use this 252 00:15:58,620 --> 00:16:05,460 between apps. So that you should be able to author this on hyper 253 00:16:05,460 --> 00:16:08,790 catcher, but you should also be able to contribute from pod 254 00:16:08,790 --> 00:16:14,400 friend, or pod verse or any pod bean, all of the all of the 255 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:19,230 pods, the pod podcast apps, that that would have to go through 256 00:16:19,230 --> 00:16:24,390 some kind of service. Yeah. Which I think is that now, day 257 00:16:24,390 --> 00:16:29,010 between you and I podcast index LLC can can choose to create 258 00:16:29,010 --> 00:16:32,700 this service. But I feel that's something that's outside of the 259 00:16:32,700 --> 00:16:38,520 scope. And we should probably, you know, consider you know, as 260 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,340 an extra that just it an extra service. 261 00:16:41,790 --> 00:16:46,290 Yeah. And that's something that I think is good to bring up. 262 00:16:46,620 --> 00:16:49,260 Because it's been talked about before people have mentioned, 263 00:16:49,470 --> 00:16:53,670 oh, such and such thing. Maybe pockets index can do that. And 264 00:16:53,820 --> 00:16:58,080 that's that's territory, we tread very lightly, because 265 00:16:58,110 --> 00:17:00,990 we really don't want we really don't want to host accounts, I 266 00:17:00,990 --> 00:17:01,680 don't think 267 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,160 and we don't want to compete with anybody. I mean, like we 268 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,820 don't I don't mind competition for us. I mean, that i think 269 00:17:08,820 --> 00:17:13,590 that's that's great. Like, somebody was posting about the 270 00:17:13,590 --> 00:17:17,580 listing notes API. And that's a paid paid service. I 271 00:17:17,580 --> 00:17:20,490 think they've been around for a while those guys? 272 00:17:20,669 --> 00:17:22,199 I think so. Yeah, a few years, I think, 273 00:17:22,619 --> 00:17:24,779 do they support the new namespace? 274 00:17:25,619 --> 00:17:30,179 I don't know. I really don't know. And, and I don't know, 275 00:17:30,719 --> 00:17:35,279 personally, but you know, anybody at that at that group? 276 00:17:35,309 --> 00:17:41,519 And I would hope if they are aware of what's going on over 277 00:17:41,519 --> 00:17:43,439 here, they would join the podcast index dot social, 278 00:17:43,439 --> 00:17:47,219 because there's really no, I mean, we're, we're a free 279 00:17:47,219 --> 00:17:49,529 service, we just go on donations, there's really, I 280 00:17:49,529 --> 00:17:51,899 mean, technically, it's competition, but it's really 281 00:17:51,899 --> 00:17:57,119 not. Because, I mean, we do what we do. And our our goals are 282 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,239 different. I mean, our goals are great, 283 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:04,440 but they don't necessarily appear to be something that is 284 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:08,790 catering to independent podcast, app developers really seems like 285 00:18:08,790 --> 00:18:14,250 it's more of corporate who want to, you know, some kind of 286 00:18:14,250 --> 00:18:18,150 access to this for planning purposes. I could be wrong. But 287 00:18:18,150 --> 00:18:19,800 that's just that was my first impression. 288 00:18:20,639 --> 00:18:26,369 Well, yeah, and I think also, just the core philosophy of, you 289 00:18:26,369 --> 00:18:29,219 know, they, I think, if I'm not mistaken, they're they're real, 290 00:18:29,249 --> 00:18:34,619 they're real core is like, taking his notes, essentially 291 00:18:34,619 --> 00:18:38,039 putting, you know, like writing up notes on a podcast and 292 00:18:38,279 --> 00:18:43,799 sharing those things. So, you know, whereas ours is preserving 293 00:18:44,309 --> 00:18:47,339 podcasting as platform for free speech. I mean, that's, that's 294 00:18:47,339 --> 00:18:52,139 our core, our core mission is to make sure that podcasting 295 00:18:52,139 --> 00:18:57,479 remains an open platform. It's not, that's not sensible. And, 296 00:18:57,509 --> 00:18:59,879 you know, we're doing so that's why we're doing lightning 297 00:18:59,879 --> 00:19:02,669 payments. And all this kind of jazz, where we're going in these 298 00:19:02,669 --> 00:19:05,459 different directions. And the API in the index is just 299 00:19:05,459 --> 00:19:08,849 something that's necessary to make all that to make all that 300 00:19:08,849 --> 00:19:12,329 happen, because you need a place where you can be sure that a 301 00:19:12,329 --> 00:19:14,909 show is not going to get the platform and you need a, you 302 00:19:14,909 --> 00:19:17,729 know, a group that's concentrating on making sure 303 00:19:17,729 --> 00:19:22,349 freedom is front and center. And that's what we're trying to do. 304 00:19:22,349 --> 00:19:25,709 And that's why we're not really, we don't charge for anything, 305 00:19:25,709 --> 00:19:28,919 because, you know, we we started paying for this thing out of our 306 00:19:28,919 --> 00:19:31,199 own pocket anyway, we were like, We didn't know if we're gonna 307 00:19:31,199 --> 00:19:34,319 get any donations. Right. So I think that's it's just a 308 00:19:34,319 --> 00:19:39,899 different philosophy, but I would love to work with them and 309 00:19:39,899 --> 00:19:43,409 anybody else because the namespace helps everybody. I 310 00:19:43,409 --> 00:19:45,869 mean, it's not just going to help, you know, podcast index. I 311 00:19:45,869 --> 00:19:49,919 mean, it really doesn't help us. It helps our mission. It doesn't 312 00:19:49,919 --> 00:19:54,509 help necessarily us, but it will help all of podcasting in 313 00:19:54,509 --> 00:19:59,669 general to go and that's, well, we could talk about that phase 314 00:19:59,669 --> 00:20:04,859 one, you know, Phase One closed. Monday is Monday or Sunday. And 315 00:20:04,859 --> 00:20:07,739 so we have those five, five new tags. 316 00:20:07,770 --> 00:20:10,530 Okay, let's just list those five tags just so we have them. 317 00:20:11,610 --> 00:20:12,330 Yeah. And that's 318 00:20:12,990 --> 00:20:17,130 so we had a lot of put them in the in the in the show notes 319 00:20:17,130 --> 00:20:21,990 Loctite block tag chapters, translators cribs, is that 320 00:20:21,990 --> 00:20:24,270 transcripts slash captions? Is that how we? 321 00:20:24,870 --> 00:20:30,750 What is locked is transcript? No. So in me, I'm getting 322 00:20:31,020 --> 00:20:32,370 attacked by the fire department is 323 00:20:32,370 --> 00:20:35,010 okay. Transcript cap captions does. 324 00:20:35,850 --> 00:20:38,670 No trans captions is part of the transcript. Okay. 325 00:20:38,910 --> 00:20:44,310 I was just trying what I like to say slash, okay. Okay. I'm just 326 00:20:44,310 --> 00:20:49,710 I'm going outside of scope. Okay. Then we have funding 327 00:20:49,740 --> 00:20:53,850 funding right, which I've seen work is really nice again, good 328 00:20:53,850 --> 00:20:57,540 pod friend is my go to for that boom, up pops the Pay Pal 329 00:20:57,540 --> 00:21:01,650 button. But although it's yellow, not red, but okay. So we 330 00:21:01,650 --> 00:21:03,750 had done we have something like that, which that should have 331 00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:07,020 been Damn, I missed that on the on the closing of the namespace. 332 00:21:07,020 --> 00:21:09,180 It should have been color equals 333 00:21:11,790 --> 00:21:12,990 b should be demanded. 334 00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:22,140 Yes. All right. funding and then we have chapters do we hit? No, 335 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:22,350 you 336 00:21:22,350 --> 00:21:24,690 have that clip? Okay. In a soundbite 337 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,450 sound bites, what we're calling it all right sound? Is that with 338 00:21:27,450 --> 00:21:28,680 a IOI? 339 00:21:30,090 --> 00:21:33,360 With a sound bite with a Why? 340 00:21:33,930 --> 00:21:39,300 You'd be? You'd be, you'd be amazed. 123. Okay, so those 341 00:21:39,300 --> 00:21:46,140 five, and those are locked down. And I think almost every one of 342 00:21:46,140 --> 00:21:49,140 those is supported by almost everybody. One or two are 343 00:21:49,140 --> 00:21:51,390 missed. I think the soundbite may be trailing. 344 00:21:52,770 --> 00:21:55,590 Yeah, a little bit. But you know, and it's not as much as I 345 00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:58,320 thought it would be the I mean, there's actually people are 346 00:21:58,320 --> 00:21:59,580 putting that in fairly quickly. 347 00:21:59,610 --> 00:22:03,390 Now that now I have tool issue once again. What's down by 348 00:22:03,420 --> 00:22:08,160 Yeah, yeah. So that's the tool. The tools are lagging on 349 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:09,870 soundbyte more than the players are? 350 00:22:10,710 --> 00:22:14,610 Yes. And yeah, I have no idea. Can I can I calculate this by 351 00:22:14,610 --> 00:22:16,620 hand what I need to enter? Or? 352 00:22:17,220 --> 00:22:21,660 Yes, you can put it you can just look at the time code is it just 353 00:22:21,660 --> 00:22:25,200 like, just like chapters is done with seconds. It's just an 354 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:29,010 offset, and a duration. So you say this soundbite is going to 355 00:22:29,010 --> 00:22:32,670 be it's going to start at this many seconds in the in the URL 356 00:22:32,700 --> 00:22:36,930 in the enclosure. It's gonna last for this many seconds. And 357 00:22:36,930 --> 00:22:41,280 so the the app just knows in a jump, jump here, play this much 358 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:42,720 content and then jump out 359 00:22:42,750 --> 00:22:47,190 and enumerator is seconds. Yeah, that's right. Okay. All right. 360 00:22:47,340 --> 00:22:48,150 Well, I can do that. 361 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,360 Yeah, no, that's an easy, that's an easy one, if you needed to 362 00:22:51,360 --> 00:22:55,890 draw back to doing something by hand. But we do we fit we we 363 00:22:55,890 --> 00:23:01,020 ship that. And phase two is now just in an open status, there's 364 00:23:01,020 --> 00:23:04,440 no close date on it or anything we're just gonna have to do 365 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,930 especially with holidays and that kind of thing. We mean, you 366 00:23:06,930 --> 00:23:09,390 know, I don't feel comfortable putting a hard date on anything 367 00:23:09,390 --> 00:23:15,420 right now. until until after the holidays are over, but, but what 368 00:23:15,420 --> 00:23:20,760 we're going to be focusing on, I think, is person, the person 369 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:28,650 tag, the location tag, and the season tag. 370 00:23:29,580 --> 00:23:33,870 Okay, so person tag, season tag, 371 00:23:35,130 --> 00:23:35,790 and 372 00:23:37,050 --> 00:23:38,430 the location tag, 373 00:23:38,909 --> 00:23:41,489 locate look, and what about value? 374 00:23:42,660 --> 00:23:45,450 Well, it's it's in there. I mean, bits. That one's just sort 375 00:23:45,450 --> 00:23:45,780 of a, 376 00:23:45,930 --> 00:23:47,190 I'm putting it on my list. 377 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:52,260 Who knows how long it's gonna take for. for other people. We 378 00:23:52,260 --> 00:23:55,740 got to have a host in order for a namespace to tag adoption you 379 00:23:55,740 --> 00:23:58,590 gotta have are the rules are you gonna have at least one host 380 00:23:58,590 --> 00:24:01,350 that will support it in at least one app that'll support it? We 381 00:24:01,530 --> 00:24:03,660 think supports the on the app side, but 382 00:24:04,020 --> 00:24:05,400 Well, how about cast a pod? 383 00:24:06,570 --> 00:24:09,990 I don't think they don't think guest pod. Well, they're not a 384 00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:14,940 host. But they're just a they're just, well, they're self. Well, 385 00:24:14,940 --> 00:24:15,090 they're 386 00:24:15,090 --> 00:24:18,030 self hosting. I'd be very careful. Be very careful what 387 00:24:18,030 --> 00:24:21,060 you say there. I hear a cast pod guys sharpen it up is his 388 00:24:21,060 --> 00:24:21,570 Pitchfork. 389 00:24:21,810 --> 00:24:24,120 Yeah, he's gonna come after me. 390 00:24:25,380 --> 00:24:27,000 Do you think you are Dave Jones? 391 00:24:27,180 --> 00:24:27,900 You pieces 392 00:24:29,220 --> 00:24:33,390 gonna come after social media. gonna cancel you on the 393 00:24:33,390 --> 00:24:35,460 mastodon, bro. You're out. 394 00:24:35,939 --> 00:24:40,499 Can I just say that? It's so Jay. I have to get into the 395 00:24:40,499 --> 00:24:43,799 Twitter account. The podcast index.org. Yes. 396 00:24:43,830 --> 00:24:46,890 My wife was asking you about that. Hey, who runs the 397 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:51,420 podcasting dex dad or account? staff? 398 00:24:51,930 --> 00:24:52,980 Yeah, yes, 399 00:24:53,310 --> 00:24:54,030 exactly. 400 00:24:54,330 --> 00:24:55,740 Dave's got a guy. 401 00:24:56,910 --> 00:24:59,760 We might have to relinquish control to her. She's if she 402 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,480 can't. Stand the way we do this, I really hurt that we couldn't 403 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,140 figure out the donation button had to be read. So, okay, it's a 404 00:25:07,140 --> 00:25:11,010 free marketing department if she wants to do it. I'm all in. She 405 00:25:11,010 --> 00:25:11,490 can have it. 406 00:25:11,700 --> 00:25:15,450 Right. That is one less thing. Right? My my life would be 407 00:25:15,450 --> 00:25:18,720 wonderful if I never had to check Twitter again. Yeah, 408 00:25:18,750 --> 00:25:21,240 that's it. That's what I was starting to say like, I got on 409 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:26,010 there to hide it. But I don't know what I was posting. But I 410 00:25:26,010 --> 00:25:30,120 got on there and James James Cridland had posted. So it 411 00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:34,080 popped up in on the top of the timeline, it said, he said, You 412 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,050 know, I haven't I haven't gotten into my Twitter account in 413 00:25:37,050 --> 00:25:40,470 months. And so I'm sorry if I missed everybody. And then he 414 00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:43,980 was like, see all later. Like, basically, I'm leaving again, 415 00:25:43,980 --> 00:25:46,650 I'm not gonna, you know, I'm gonna do my once every six 416 00:25:46,650 --> 00:25:49,710 months check in. And I was, you know, got me thinking this is 417 00:25:49,740 --> 00:25:55,830 completely off topic. But it just got me thinking how social 418 00:25:55,830 --> 00:26:00,150 media, honestly, I'm beginning more and more every day to think 419 00:26:00,150 --> 00:26:04,350 it has ruined its society, human 420 00:26:04,350 --> 00:26:06,600 beings. Yes, of course, this 421 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:12,510 house is an awful, steaming pile, dumpster fire, whatever. 422 00:26:12,570 --> 00:26:16,170 It's awful. And I don't know why this bra I just came to mind. 423 00:26:16,170 --> 00:26:19,500 But I mean, it's just, I've deleted Twitter off my phone 424 00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:25,950 probably a month and a half ago. And it's, it's great. I don't 425 00:26:25,950 --> 00:26:27,060 miss it one bit. 426 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:30,960 I mean, I so I use Twitter only as an inbox. So I'm only looking 427 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,200 at my, my mentions because that's where the most 428 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,740 interesting things are is what you know, people will tag me in. 429 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,420 And that's really all I use it for. But to me, I get great 430 00:26:42,420 --> 00:26:46,350 pleasure from going to a mastodon server. And, and I look 431 00:26:46,350 --> 00:26:48,840 at you know, there's the three areas the you know, your 432 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,960 subscriptions, your timeline, your, your mentions, and then 433 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:56,610 whatever else is happening on your local mastodon server. And 434 00:26:56,610 --> 00:27:00,660 I go down 123 Okay, I've seen them all 1234. Okay, I've seen 435 00:27:00,660 --> 00:27:03,960 reply here. Okay. All right, I'm done. There's nothing else 436 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,410 popping up. It's not holding back any posts to show me just 437 00:27:07,410 --> 00:27:10,620 as I'm ready to leave, which is definitely what the algorithms 438 00:27:10,620 --> 00:27:14,910 do. On most social networks. You know, it'll notify Oh, you've 439 00:27:14,910 --> 00:27:18,420 got five likes. What the just when you're when you've been on 440 00:27:18,420 --> 00:27:22,440 for, you know, for five minutes, all this they hold that stuff 441 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:28,140 back? It's crazy to hate is the hate? Oh, that's a program that 442 00:27:28,140 --> 00:27:29,310 for you that hate? 443 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:36,030 Yeah, it's you, people. I don't know what it is. But it's like, 444 00:27:36,180 --> 00:27:39,660 okay, so we started this social media experiment. I don't know 445 00:27:39,660 --> 00:27:41,580 what 12 years ago. 446 00:27:41,580 --> 00:27:43,590 2008. Okay, 447 00:27:43,620 --> 00:27:47,970 yeah. So, as of 12 years ago, roughly, is when social media 448 00:27:47,970 --> 00:27:51,750 sort of rose into a prominent thing in culture. Okay, so we 449 00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:57,570 now know, we now know, like, this sociologically speaking, 450 00:27:57,780 --> 00:28:03,000 that it takes 12 years to destroy society. With social 451 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,900 media, I mean, like, that's really how long because it's, I 452 00:28:06,900 --> 00:28:10,320 would love for somebody to do an analysis and say, and like, look 453 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,620 at the waves that happened during the social media 454 00:28:13,620 --> 00:28:18,720 experiment of 2008 to 2020. Where you know, it, everybody 455 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,530 joined then everybody, you know, thought it was great. Then all 456 00:28:22,530 --> 00:28:25,620 this in certain people, certain groups started beginning d 457 00:28:25,620 --> 00:28:29,670 platformed. Other groups began to do canceling other in, it's 458 00:28:29,670 --> 00:28:35,010 like, you just see this shift, this shifting monster that the 459 00:28:35,010 --> 00:28:38,880 thing became, and I guess, I guess it's been on my mind, just 460 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:45,300 because I saw was Steve and of the war room, got the platform, 461 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,800 that podcast and got d platformed. Off Spotify. And, 462 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,350 you know, I started looking around because I was thinking, 463 00:28:52,350 --> 00:28:55,590 Well, I mean, you know, we talk about deep platforming. That's 464 00:28:55,590 --> 00:29:00,930 one of the missions of the index to preserve free speech in some 465 00:29:00,930 --> 00:29:04,470 way. Well, I'm maybe I can go listen to see what he said to 466 00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:08,280 get himself to platform. And I couldn't find it. Like, I can 467 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,670 tell you exactly what he did. Well, there's no clip anywhere. 468 00:29:12,180 --> 00:29:15,270 It's like he's been he's been so deep platformed that you can't 469 00:29:15,270 --> 00:29:18,990 even find. I mean, like, last day, there's no clip. I mean, I 470 00:29:18,990 --> 00:29:23,160 could have listened to it. I don't know what the word okay. 471 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,590 50 episodes a day. Yeah, no, 472 00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:29,070 I understand what you're saying. In other words, even the 473 00:29:29,100 --> 00:29:34,110 offending words that he had uttered had been also had also 474 00:29:34,110 --> 00:29:39,210 been pushed down, removed, taken away. You can't even find it. 475 00:29:39,210 --> 00:29:39,990 That's what you're saying. 476 00:29:40,110 --> 00:29:43,350 Yeah, you can't. The only way to find a clip would have been to 477 00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:47,250 listen to every episode that within a certain time range, 478 00:29:47,250 --> 00:29:50,520 right. And the guy evidently has no other job but but that so 479 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,890 he's to be putting out like 20 hours of content a day and I 480 00:29:52,890 --> 00:29:56,670 can't like I can't do this. Yeah, I was looking. I was 481 00:29:56,670 --> 00:29:58,500 looking for like somebody clipped it where you could 482 00:29:58,500 --> 00:30:01,470 listen to what he said to try To get a context of it, you know, 483 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:07,170 if I had the soundbite tag, at my discretion I could actually 484 00:30:07,860 --> 00:30:12,570 play we get couldn't. Couldn't I also insert a separate URL from 485 00:30:12,570 --> 00:30:16,740 a different mp3 with a with a timecode. And the length? You my 486 00:30:16,740 --> 00:30:17,430 own need, 487 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,960 not for the sound bite. No, it's only like a it's only like a 488 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,320 sound bite of the of the enclosure, the main enclosure, 489 00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:29,730 because there it's a relative value. Yeah, okay, I got you. 490 00:30:31,530 --> 00:30:34,140 Yeah, well, I can tell you what he said just out of interest. 491 00:30:34,620 --> 00:30:36,930 Okay, he was talking about Fauci, can you say? 492 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,240 Can you say it when Steve Bannon voices? 493 00:30:41,580 --> 00:30:45,210 Ah, gosh, I've never really done. I've never done a Bannon 494 00:30:45,210 --> 00:30:46,350 voice but it's a 495 00:30:48,540 --> 00:30:49,350 how you would do it? 496 00:30:49,409 --> 00:30:52,229 I don't think I can do I'd have to hear him? I have to hear him. 497 00:30:52,229 --> 00:30:56,099 I can't do but, you know, pretend that you look like 498 00:30:56,100 --> 00:30:57,540 him. God 499 00:30:58,860 --> 00:30:59,520 Fauci, I 500 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,300 tell you Fauci. We got to get his head on a stick his head on 501 00:31:03,300 --> 00:31:06,630 a stick. What happened to Fauci toe? Is that, you know, it's 502 00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:07,260 like, please, 503 00:31:07,290 --> 00:31:08,250 he can't say that. 504 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,720 Yeah. Oh, please. So that became he literally threatened to cut 505 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,040 off people's heads. 506 00:31:15,690 --> 00:31:17,250 That was the accusation. 507 00:31:17,250 --> 00:31:20,250 But he didn't he didn't really threaten that. Now it's 508 00:31:20,610 --> 00:31:26,550 below. Is there no sense of like, I forget who said it, but 509 00:31:26,550 --> 00:31:31,260 some, somebody along while back I heard I heard, referred to 510 00:31:31,260 --> 00:31:35,640 social media as the literal web. And that that's what this is, 511 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:40,290 like. It's the literal web. It's like, people don't understand 512 00:31:40,290 --> 00:31:41,850 metaphor they do in 513 00:31:41,850 --> 00:31:43,140 jokes, irony. 514 00:31:43,410 --> 00:31:46,740 Yeah. Either willfully, or but but 515 00:31:48,540 --> 00:31:52,770 unfortunately, that, um, and, you know, we are way off topic, 516 00:31:52,770 --> 00:31:55,650 but unfortunately, I think this is no, no, no, no, not at all. 517 00:31:56,190 --> 00:32:00,270 It's a big reason of why we're doing this. It's in this case, 518 00:32:00,300 --> 00:32:05,310 that's most likely politically motivated. He, you know, he was 519 00:32:05,340 --> 00:32:12,030 a big part of Trump's first team. And, you know, obviously, 520 00:32:12,270 --> 00:32:16,740 he's, he's the guy who has been touting the laptop from hell 521 00:32:16,770 --> 00:32:20,940 hunter Biden's laptop. And so it's political. And once it's 522 00:32:20,940 --> 00:32:26,130 political, then it's very easy for the huge power forces to 523 00:32:26,130 --> 00:32:29,340 come into work, mainly advertisers and corporations 524 00:32:29,340 --> 00:32:33,300 that, that just don't want any of that around, you know, it's 525 00:32:33,300 --> 00:32:37,800 easy, and they have huge swinging ding dongs as it were 526 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:42,930 to, you know, full of money that they can, you know, pull away 527 00:32:42,930 --> 00:32:46,530 from a company or, you know, whatever to get what they feel 528 00:32:46,530 --> 00:32:50,310 is righteous. So, and that's all fine, but it really has nothing 529 00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:54,810 to do with, with anything, you know, I we 530 00:32:55,980 --> 00:33:00,510 were there. I'll tell you the day Exactly. Okay, this. This is 531 00:33:00,510 --> 00:33:03,780 why this came up in my mind. Well, I have a hatred of social 532 00:33:03,780 --> 00:33:09,900 media. Anyway, it's just a it's a common rant with me. But one 533 00:33:09,900 --> 00:33:14,460 of the reasons it popped into my mind was that I saw the pod news 534 00:33:15,570 --> 00:33:17,820 newsletter, I think from this morning, maybe yesterday 535 00:33:17,820 --> 00:33:23,610 morning, and the first little item was the pod, it says, the 536 00:33:23,610 --> 00:33:26,370 podcast listening habits of 13 to 34 year olds have been 537 00:33:26,370 --> 00:33:30,840 highlighted, blah, blah, blah. And I started trying to start 538 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:36,330 thinking to myself, you know, I have three kids, a 19 year old, 539 00:33:36,450 --> 00:33:42,420 a 17 year old and a 10 year old. I was like, dude, none of them 540 00:33:42,420 --> 00:33:46,170 listen to podcasts. And none of their friends listen to 541 00:33:46,170 --> 00:33:49,650 podcasts, really. And I started thinking, you know, I don't know 542 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:55,410 a single person younger than 25 that listens to podcasts. And it 543 00:33:55,410 --> 00:33:59,130 started making me think Is there like a Is there a cliff? Is 544 00:33:59,130 --> 00:34:04,290 there like a podcast age Cliff that's coming? I don't know 545 00:34:04,290 --> 00:34:07,170 anybody this young and I actually know quite a few young 546 00:34:07,170 --> 00:34:10,680 people because my kids have friends and go to school and all 547 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,990 stuff. None of them listen to podcasts. 548 00:34:13,170 --> 00:34:18,570 Interesting. Yeah, it is weird. Well, I don't know what to say 549 00:34:18,570 --> 00:34:21,570 about that. Because I just don't know the numbers. You know, when 550 00:34:22,050 --> 00:34:27,930 when we talk about Gen Z. Or the Zoomers, on no agenda. We get a 551 00:34:27,930 --> 00:34:32,040 lot of notes from 2324 year olds. So they're definitely 552 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,280 listening but that mean, it's the curve probably doesn't start 553 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,830 until after mid 20s. You probably right? 554 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,420 Yeah, a bit. It's a bit it's real, a bit the listenership of, 555 00:34:42,510 --> 00:34:45,000 of 25 and under is pretty small, 556 00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:50,640 which which makes it so interesting. How podcasting is 557 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,660 such a desirable audience, such an engaged audience and audience 558 00:34:54,660 --> 00:34:57,660 that can be quote, unquote, activated to do many, many 559 00:34:57,660 --> 00:35:01,860 things. Really an advertiser's Dream the relationship between a 560 00:35:01,860 --> 00:35:07,230 podcaster and a podcast audience. But the exact nature 561 00:35:07,650 --> 00:35:13,140 of the decentralized system that we build and have been using is 562 00:35:13,170 --> 00:35:16,710 the entire reason why it is actually incompatible with 563 00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:21,120 advertising with online advertising because there's zero 564 00:35:21,150 --> 00:35:26,220 effective true way to measure listenership downloads does not 565 00:35:26,220 --> 00:35:30,810 equal listenership. And I've actually as, as I've been doing 566 00:35:30,810 --> 00:35:34,350 a little more investigating myself into the evolution of 567 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:41,760 hosting companies and, and ad technology. There's a lot a lot 568 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,790 of tracking going on in podcasting that I was unaware 569 00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:45,090 of. 570 00:35:45,690 --> 00:35:48,330 Yeah, really bad. Ya know, it's really 571 00:35:48,330 --> 00:35:52,200 it's really, and they don't call it tracking, they call it to 572 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:58,560 attribution. It's a cooler, actually attribution, which is 573 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,740 another word for we know who you are attribution. 574 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,340 Did you see the Did you see the other thing that was about? 575 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:13,230 Let's see if I can find it here. It was, basically, there's some 576 00:36:13,230 --> 00:36:16,230 company out there that has, and I'm sure this is nothing new. 577 00:36:16,530 --> 00:36:20,940 But they've like mapped out all the IP space. And they're doing 578 00:36:20,970 --> 00:36:27,660 associations between Yeah, here it is. Tap ID T. ap ad. It says 579 00:36:27,660 --> 00:36:34,350 Experian has bought tap ID for $280 million. Pot sites, 580 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,380 describes them this way a number of providers have sprung up in 581 00:36:37,380 --> 00:36:41,100 the last decade offering massive databases of every household IP 582 00:36:41,310 --> 00:36:44,760 meta identifiers they have seen at that IP. 583 00:36:45,330 --> 00:36:48,060 Oh, sure. Sure. That doesn't surprise me. 584 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,680 I'm sure that's not new. But I bet you there's so much content 585 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:57,810 to do associations now. Yeah, like, the ipv4 space is small 586 00:36:57,810 --> 00:37:00,450 enough now, we used to think 4 billion addresses. It's like, 587 00:37:00,450 --> 00:37:03,420 Oh, my God. You know, that's too much. You can't do anything with 588 00:37:03,420 --> 00:37:06,000 that. Well, I mean, 4 billion, you can scan the whole internet 589 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:11,040 with a tool like mass scan in like an hour and a half. So me, 590 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,090 I bet you 591 00:37:12,210 --> 00:37:15,720 I remember the days when we had an actual printed yellow pages 592 00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:21,150 of the internet. I still have a copy. Shut up, grandpa? Oh, 593 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,670 no, I just think that there's there's going to be a time when, 594 00:37:27,540 --> 00:37:30,030 like, they don't even need, they don't even need all these tricks 595 00:37:30,030 --> 00:37:34,320 anymore. Like the tracking pixels and the emails and, you 596 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,750 know, all these kinds of stuffs like, Well, we know that you 597 00:37:36,750 --> 00:37:39,360 downloaded it from this IP. So we already know who you are. So 598 00:37:39,690 --> 00:37:40,290 whatever. 599 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,620 Yeah, I was just surprised and and, and it gave me even more 600 00:37:46,620 --> 00:37:52,290 insight into the incredible challenge. Spotify is taken on 601 00:37:52,290 --> 00:37:58,080 and you know, all power to them. But I'm real happy over here. I 602 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,020 think Thirdly, we're doing some some fun stuff. And with a 603 00:38:01,020 --> 00:38:04,470 really fun group of people. We were talking about the hosting 604 00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:08,670 companies. And obviously, we need hosting companies to do 605 00:38:08,670 --> 00:38:13,530 adopt these tags, although I think buzzsprout is pretty far 606 00:38:13,530 --> 00:38:17,220 right. They have did they incorporate sound bite yet? 607 00:38:17,220 --> 00:38:18,390 Because I think they have everything. 608 00:38:19,050 --> 00:38:21,630 Oh, yeah, they've got everything. the only the only 609 00:38:21,630 --> 00:38:27,870 piece that they're missing really is on the chapter side, 610 00:38:27,870 --> 00:38:30,180 they need to add image URLs. 611 00:38:30,510 --> 00:38:32,640 But right Yeah, right. Right. 612 00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:35,940 Cool. Yeah, I think they support they support everything. 613 00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:40,470 Fantastic. And it's interesting because well if you want to if 614 00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:47,070 you want to get into that the let's see me pull up my notes 615 00:38:47,070 --> 00:38:53,940 here. Did you get that that clip that I sent? Oh yeah, I do. Play 616 00:38:53,940 --> 00:38:56,790 it. Too many podcasts. 617 00:38:58,980 --> 00:39:02,310 That was that was from yesterday devore ak telling me how many 618 00:39:02,310 --> 00:39:05,370 podcasts there were like now you're not exactly right, bro. 619 00:39:06,900 --> 00:39:11,610 So I've been I've been asked air I've been wondering for a while 620 00:39:11,610 --> 00:39:16,050 how many like some of these some of these hosting statistics and 621 00:39:16,050 --> 00:39:20,730 I can say this because you mentioned buzzsprout if you look 622 00:39:21,150 --> 00:39:26,010 so in in the index, the num based purely on number of feeds. 623 00:39:26,700 --> 00:39:31,320 The ranking goes like this anchor obviously number one. We 624 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:38,910 have them at 640,000 roughly feeds soundcloud. 101,000 625 00:39:39,180 --> 00:39:49,020 buzzsprout. Those number 350 6557 Lipson 55,000, pod bean 626 00:39:49,020 --> 00:39:53,430 51,000 and spreaker 50,000. That's how that's how we have 627 00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:55,560 them have them listed. And I know we're meaning that we're 628 00:39:55,560 --> 00:40:00,000 missing fields, but that's not but that's that's the way we 629 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,730 Have them listed that seems to match up with what everybody 630 00:40:02,730 --> 00:40:06,990 else is showing as well. But the interesting thing to me is if 631 00:40:06,990 --> 00:40:12,030 you look at how many how many podcasts have have published in 632 00:40:12,030 --> 00:40:14,820 the last 90 days, and that's specifically on anchor side? Mm 633 00:40:14,820 --> 00:40:19,260 hmm. It's like 25%. Oh, yeah, 634 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,360 that's very, very Yeah. 635 00:40:21,900 --> 00:40:25,920 That in that, that tells me that, you know, just size 636 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,440 doesn't really get you doesn't 637 00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:32,910 reach Exactly. It's not the size of the ocean. It's the motion. 638 00:40:34,590 --> 00:40:37,740 Let me send you. And that's funny, too, because let me send 639 00:40:37,740 --> 00:40:41,070 you this email. I looked up I was trying to I was like, What 640 00:40:41,070 --> 00:40:45,330 is the internet say are the biggest podcast hosts? So I just 641 00:40:45,330 --> 00:40:50,670 did a search for in Google and I sent you that email. And I just 642 00:40:50,670 --> 00:40:54,870 typed in to Google biggest podcast hosts. And it's funny 643 00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:57,450 what it brought back I see Joe screenshot. 644 00:40:57,630 --> 00:40:58,890 I'm looking I'm looking for it. 645 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:05,280 That anyway, I think that I think just pure you know, pure 646 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,400 size. I don't think 647 00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:17,730 Google gave you that. So search was biggest podcast hosts. And 648 00:41:17,730 --> 00:41:23,010 yes, the the first link is the 31st that 31 best podcast 649 00:41:23,010 --> 00:41:28,260 hosting platforms. But above that is a strip of pictures of 650 00:41:28,260 --> 00:41:32,970 podcasters with myself at the first pole position with six 651 00:41:32,970 --> 00:41:40,650 foot 510 comes is the W Kamau Bell with six foot four Scott 652 00:41:40,650 --> 00:41:44,370 Ackerman comes in close behind at six foot three Steven Crowder 653 00:41:44,370 --> 00:41:47,430 at six foot two. Yes. Ladies and gentlemen, the pod father not 654 00:41:47,430 --> 00:41:52,890 only the prototype podcaster he is the pot the tallest podcaster 655 00:41:52,890 --> 00:41:53,580 of them all. 656 00:41:53,730 --> 00:41:57,390 Yeah. And the title of that is podcast broadcasters by height. 657 00:41:57,420 --> 00:41:57,660 That's 658 00:41:57,660 --> 00:41:58,260 nuts. 659 00:41:58,380 --> 00:42:02,490 And I didn't realize Ira Glass was as tall as he was bringing 660 00:42:02,490 --> 00:42:06,480 this up. He's bringing up the NPR love when you get three 661 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:07,050 inches on him. 662 00:42:08,310 --> 00:42:12,900 Yeah, aha, many jokes I could make we we will not 663 00:42:13,950 --> 00:42:17,130 weigh that. I just thought that I thought, Well, for one reason, 664 00:42:17,130 --> 00:42:20,760 because buzzsprout just passed lips. And as far as number of 665 00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:25,770 number of feeds. But I still got some I still got some 666 00:42:25,770 --> 00:42:29,790 verification of these numbers to do and to make sure that they're 667 00:42:29,910 --> 00:42:32,610 that they're accurate before I just start publishing anything. 668 00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:38,490 But I think just looking through preliminary, it's interesting to 669 00:42:38,490 --> 00:42:42,480 see how many act how many of feeds, these people these 670 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,540 hosting companies have, versus how many are actively being 671 00:42:45,540 --> 00:42:50,460 published. Right. Right. And, and there's some clear, there's 672 00:42:50,460 --> 00:42:54,510 some clear patterns here. And even though, and I think it's 673 00:42:54,510 --> 00:42:58,170 probably got to do with free also running because anchors 674 00:42:58,170 --> 00:43:01,230 free, and you get there's no barrier to entry. So you're just 675 00:43:01,230 --> 00:43:04,620 gonna pop on there, do it do a show. When something's free, you 676 00:43:04,620 --> 00:43:04,890 don't. 677 00:43:05,220 --> 00:43:08,190 Right? You don't care that much about it. But what's, you know, 678 00:43:08,190 --> 00:43:15,570 the forces that will take place now, and I'm going to start I 679 00:43:15,570 --> 00:43:19,530 would say on Sundays, no agenda, I want to get an okay from 680 00:43:19,530 --> 00:43:25,590 David. I want to solicit people to to get hyper capture, and 681 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:30,210 then use it to cook to create chapters. I'd love to point to 682 00:43:30,210 --> 00:43:36,180 other community based systems as well, obviously. But what's 683 00:43:36,180 --> 00:43:40,230 going to happen, there's going to be a poll from podcasters, 684 00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:45,570 who want these features. And the more apps that have this, the 685 00:43:45,570 --> 00:43:49,470 more the demand, the higher the demand will build will be. And 686 00:43:49,470 --> 00:43:52,320 so if you're in the hosting business, if you need any help, 687 00:43:52,860 --> 00:43:56,340 let us know because it's going to come real fast. And I'm 688 00:43:56,340 --> 00:43:59,670 already seeing people saying, oh, how do I move my feet? 689 00:43:59,670 --> 00:44:01,860 Because I want to go to somewhere where they actually 690 00:44:01,860 --> 00:44:04,200 have everything that works with this new stuff? 691 00:44:04,620 --> 00:44:07,020 Yes, I've gotten notes from quite a few people this week. 692 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:11,010 That are they're wondering how to put this stuff in. And in 693 00:44:11,010 --> 00:44:14,820 that that's, and I think powerpress will help a lot. 694 00:44:14,970 --> 00:44:17,460 Because there's a lot there's way more people out there that 695 00:44:17,460 --> 00:44:18,690 are self hosting on 696 00:44:19,140 --> 00:44:21,030 powerpress. Implementing the tags. 697 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,600 Yeah, yeah, they're there as part of this part of blueberry 698 00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:27,540 bro. Okay, good. Yeah. And I think there's a lot, there's 699 00:44:27,540 --> 00:44:30,090 just a lot more of those than I thought there were of people who 700 00:44:30,090 --> 00:44:31,470 are self hosting. I can see 701 00:44:31,470 --> 00:44:32,640 why Yeah, it's 702 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,610 an easy way to do it. And you retain your branding and your 703 00:44:35,610 --> 00:44:39,540 content and all that stuff. It just makes sense. You know, that 704 00:44:39,540 --> 00:44:41,730 I think that'll that'll be a big deal because there's a lot of 705 00:44:41,730 --> 00:44:47,820 those people as well. may win. That's, that's, I think, I think 706 00:44:47,820 --> 00:44:49,830 for phase two, as far as bringing it back to the 707 00:44:49,830 --> 00:44:54,630 namespace. I would like to focus on those tags, really. I mean, 708 00:44:54,660 --> 00:44:57,570 I'm not running this show. Anybody can take it in a 709 00:44:57,570 --> 00:45:02,910 different direction, but I think I was disappointed not to get 710 00:45:02,910 --> 00:45:07,980 the person tag into phase one. So really, I mean, if, if 711 00:45:07,980 --> 00:45:13,230 nothing else, I want to get that that tag in the location tag 712 00:45:13,950 --> 00:45:17,670 into phase two, because I think they're just think they were 713 00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:18,570 really important. 714 00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,990 What is the what was the problem with the person tag not making 715 00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:22,320 it in? 716 00:45:22,860 --> 00:45:29,730 What just got too complicated? Because you the other tags that 717 00:45:29,730 --> 00:45:32,760 were in phase one were sort of, I don't want to call them low 718 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,240 hanging fruit, but they were fairly technically simple. 719 00:45:37,500 --> 00:45:41,070 person and location are technically challenging. Because 720 00:45:41,070 --> 00:45:47,880 you, you really, you can't put you're talking about about 721 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:53,550 attribution of, you know, who a person is. Their role within the 722 00:45:53,550 --> 00:45:58,530 podcast, guest host right. Cast. So I mean, we're talking about 723 00:45:59,130 --> 00:46:03,780 this other thing is the sub categories beyond host and 724 00:46:03,780 --> 00:46:04,350 guest. 725 00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:10,530 Yeah, like, so there's the podcast taxonomy project is, is 726 00:46:10,620 --> 00:46:13,680 part of it. There's a couple guys at pod chaser that are 727 00:46:13,710 --> 00:46:20,340 integral to that. And they've been they've been in the names 728 00:46:20,370 --> 00:46:25,710 namespace GitHub, because sort of help helping with their input 729 00:46:25,710 --> 00:46:30,780 on that side of things. And so they've got a whole list of 730 00:46:31,500 --> 00:46:32,580 basically cast. 731 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,640 This is almost like a categories issue again. 732 00:46:36,390 --> 00:46:39,750 Yeah, it kind of is, but they've already mapped a lot of that 733 00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:42,360 out. And supposedly, they're gonna have a draft document, 734 00:46:42,570 --> 00:46:46,050 like within a few days. And so then if we can have something 735 00:46:46,050 --> 00:46:51,240 stable there, that says, you know, producer, sound engineer, 736 00:46:51,240 --> 00:46:55,530 mobile, you know, all these cast names, then we could 737 00:46:55,590 --> 00:46:58,620 so so Okay, so but that's, that's really credits. 738 00:46:59,190 --> 00:47:01,440 credits. That's what I'm I keep saying cast, I mean, credit 739 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:01,860 credits. 740 00:47:01,890 --> 00:47:04,260 Okay. Okay. Got it. That way, yeah, 741 00:47:04,290 --> 00:47:09,090 a way to credit. And so like 99% of people will just use guests. 742 00:47:09,330 --> 00:47:11,610 So here's where it gets interesting. And I recall this 743 00:47:11,610 --> 00:47:15,720 from 16 years ago, there was a huge push in the original RSS 744 00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:22,680 2.0. spec to include a show notes tag, which was X was never 745 00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,490 adopted, excluded. And that was always understood to be a part 746 00:47:26,490 --> 00:47:31,800 of a namespace. And it I think, maybe the that ship has sailed, 747 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,890 because it's so well understood that that now goes in the 748 00:47:35,070 --> 00:47:40,500 description field. But it's interesting that no, one of all 749 00:47:40,500 --> 00:47:45,660 the jihadism I saw 16 years ago, no one has really made a stand 750 00:47:45,660 --> 00:47:46,950 for shownotes. 751 00:47:48,570 --> 00:47:52,860 You know, it's one of those that I'm personally conflicted on, 752 00:47:52,860 --> 00:47:57,240 because I know what seems like an obvious solution would be 753 00:47:57,240 --> 00:48:01,770 have a show notes tag, and just have it be either a link to the 754 00:48:01,770 --> 00:48:05,160 show notes or have that be in the content in the content. But 755 00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,100 then if it's in the content, it's really no different than 756 00:48:08,100 --> 00:48:13,440 description. So if you have so but then if it's not in the 757 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:17,820 content, that's yet another file that the app has to download, 758 00:48:18,270 --> 00:48:21,330 and deal with. I don't know, I just keep going 759 00:48:21,330 --> 00:48:24,180 back and forth. But the only reason I bring it up is because 760 00:48:24,210 --> 00:48:27,960 when when we look at this person tag, and it's expanded into 761 00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:34,830 credits, that's a large part of what I paste into the 762 00:48:34,860 --> 00:48:38,490 description field. I don't put actual show notes in there, 763 00:48:38,730 --> 00:48:42,480 because my show notes would make each entry about eight Meg's 764 00:48:42,810 --> 00:48:46,620 Yeah, it would. I used to, I used to do that way, way back in 765 00:48:46,620 --> 00:48:48,930 the beginning, but none, it just became so much. There were so 766 00:48:48,930 --> 00:48:51,930 many. There's just so many articles, etc. It just was 767 00:48:51,930 --> 00:48:57,030 crazy. Yeah. So it doesn't bother me one way or the other. 768 00:48:57,030 --> 00:49:01,650 I understand that. Ultimately, this is for you to be able to 769 00:49:01,650 --> 00:49:05,340 search. I guess it's like IMDb, you know, at a certain point, 770 00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:08,970 what is the importance of knowing who the sound engineer 771 00:49:08,970 --> 00:49:12,090 was, if, if that's something you really want to drill down to? 772 00:49:12,570 --> 00:49:14,850 I'm just not sure that all that information needs to be in 773 00:49:14,850 --> 00:49:19,470 there. But on the other hand, I really like it, looking toward 774 00:49:19,470 --> 00:49:22,590 the future. And this is something that came I went to 775 00:49:22,590 --> 00:49:24,780 the Austin Bitcoin meetup last night. 776 00:49:25,290 --> 00:49:26,280 Oh, yeah. Tell me about that. 777 00:49:26,310 --> 00:49:31,110 Yeah. moving toward the future. If you have those credits, those 778 00:49:31,110 --> 00:49:37,290 credits could be easily used for value splits. 779 00:49:38,100 --> 00:49:39,180 Yeah. Okay. 780 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,500 And that, that is something that a lot of people are thinking 781 00:49:43,500 --> 00:49:50,520 about. They're thinking about it in many ways, and it makes so 782 00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:54,150 much sense if you know if you have this list of people who 783 00:49:54,180 --> 00:49:58,410 helped put the show together, that you split up any any value 784 00:49:58,410 --> 00:50:01,200 payments amongst those people. Whatever the appropriate 785 00:50:01,650 --> 00:50:05,940 percentages are. Now, then you have kind of a nice reference. 786 00:50:07,919 --> 00:50:13,799 Just without the value part, necessarily. Just asking this as 787 00:50:13,799 --> 00:50:19,169 a straight question, if you had, if you had a tag a person tag 788 00:50:19,169 --> 00:50:22,559 that you could label as producer, executive producer, 789 00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:29,789 would you stick those in your feed? tags instead of just in 790 00:50:29,789 --> 00:50:31,679 the show in the show notes? Sure. I 791 00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,190 would. I mean, I don't I don't see the benefit, but I would 792 00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:41,310 sure. I mean, if it was, if there was a real was it actually 793 00:50:41,310 --> 00:50:44,190 is it's a philosophical question. I do kind of like it. 794 00:50:44,850 --> 00:50:50,100 But to me, that's not the person tag is a misnomer. It should be 795 00:50:50,100 --> 00:50:55,650 a credits tag. That's the way to do it. Yeah. Because then you 796 00:50:55,650 --> 00:51:01,500 could because it persons or persons, but I think it's easier 797 00:51:01,500 --> 00:51:10,140 if you have here's the the list of titles of credits. It's hard 798 00:51:10,140 --> 00:51:12,810 man this, I mean, there's Hollywood lists that are it's 799 00:51:12,810 --> 00:51:16,530 very tight. I mean, Hollywood, they know exactly what the 800 00:51:16,530 --> 00:51:19,980 titles are, and where they appear on the credit roll, and 801 00:51:19,980 --> 00:51:24,390 what font size or what's font size in relation to the others. 802 00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:28,770 And, you know, are they allowed? Do they get a single screen with 803 00:51:28,770 --> 00:51:31,590 their name? Or can they be listed with five others? I mean, 804 00:51:31,590 --> 00:51:36,120 this has been hashed out over years and years of fighting to 805 00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,030 get that done. So there's prior art but I just don't know if we 806 00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:43,560 should be dragging prior art into the new era. 807 00:51:44,700 --> 00:51:47,220 But I think that's what the you know, that's what the taxonomy 808 00:51:47,220 --> 00:51:50,790 project is, is trying to establish and I'm think I think 809 00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:54,360 what we're trying to do with the with the person tag or actually 810 00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:59,580 I like credit tag better I may propose a name change but I 811 00:51:59,580 --> 00:52:03,330 mean, I think what we're trying to do there is not necessarily 812 00:52:03,330 --> 00:52:06,960 make make it a anything required where you have to just get 813 00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,650 specific with all this kind of jazz, you know, like 99% of the 814 00:52:10,650 --> 00:52:14,730 time you're just probably going to end up putting post you know, 815 00:52:15,090 --> 00:52:19,050 and that'll be fine right but but also make it flexible enough 816 00:52:19,350 --> 00:52:23,070 to where if somebody wanted to go crazy with it and try to do 817 00:52:23,100 --> 00:52:26,670 you know and do fit you know, their entire current you know, 818 00:52:26,670 --> 00:52:29,160 credit role in EPA they could, 819 00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:35,520 but also just using person is also Zena phobic Why couldn't an 820 00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,910 alien and you know a person's not an alien or an animal. 821 00:52:39,300 --> 00:52:39,900 That's, 822 00:52:41,820 --> 00:52:42,450 ya know, 823 00:52:43,170 --> 00:52:47,220 phobic and hereby not supported. It has to be a credit, though 824 00:52:47,220 --> 00:52:47,760 that we can't, 825 00:52:47,970 --> 00:52:48,870 but we can cancel 826 00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:50,100 we cancel persons. 827 00:52:51,570 --> 00:52:54,150 persons to cancel. Credit. Okay. 828 00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:57,210 All right. So I'd like credit better personally. But that's 829 00:52:57,210 --> 00:52:59,880 something that anyway, that's what this is for this show is 830 00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:01,890 here to discuss. So I'm just 831 00:53:02,100 --> 00:53:05,280 picked up on the mastodon, do you want to thank some credits? 832 00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:06,450 I mean, some persons. 833 00:53:07,950 --> 00:53:11,130 I just want to finish the face to tags. And I'd love to thank 834 00:53:11,130 --> 00:53:11,970 some persons. 835 00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:12,660 Okay. 836 00:53:12,870 --> 00:53:15,510 I can because I because the next one was season and I wanted to 837 00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:22,230 make a point about this. Okay, that we have. I think it's 838 00:53:22,230 --> 00:53:27,330 Stacey from NPR. She's She's been on the GitHub namespace 839 00:53:27,450 --> 00:53:30,750 looking about looking into season, something they've always 840 00:53:30,750 --> 00:53:34,920 wanted to do. They haven't really gotten the any support 841 00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:39,960 from any apps. And I and I think that they're, they pop their 842 00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,900 their own publisher, right. They have their own system. They have 843 00:53:42,900 --> 00:53:43,290 their own 844 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,040 publishing system. As far as I can tell from the generator tag, 845 00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:48,540 it looks like they post their own stuff. Yeah. 846 00:53:49,020 --> 00:53:54,960 So here's a tremendous opportunity for app developers. 847 00:53:55,770 --> 00:53:58,920 Let's get on this season. let's implement the season. Let's make 848 00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:05,070 it look really nice for whatever NP whatever NP RS needs are. I 849 00:54:05,070 --> 00:54:10,470 personally don't i don't see the season for me, but I totally 850 00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:13,620 understand how that fits with NPR. And what a great 851 00:54:13,620 --> 00:54:15,780 opportunity. Just saying it 852 00:54:15,870 --> 00:54:20,250 in the basis of what they want is just is a very simple change. 853 00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:24,240 You know, in this day here again, this gets into another 854 00:54:24,990 --> 00:54:28,680 competing philosophical idea with the namespace is well 855 00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:32,160 there's already you know, a seasoned tack there is named in 856 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:36,630 the iTunes namespace, but the but it doesn't meet their needs. 857 00:54:36,660 --> 00:54:39,690 Why doesn't do you know why? Because it does not support 858 00:54:39,720 --> 00:54:40,380 text. 859 00:54:41,790 --> 00:54:43,110 numbers. Oh, it's just a 860 00:54:43,110 --> 00:54:45,390 number. You can either you can only have season one, season 861 00:54:45,390 --> 00:54:50,790 two, season three type of deal. And the what they want is a 862 00:54:50,790 --> 00:54:51,810 textual 863 00:54:52,170 --> 00:54:54,960 freedom free form. Do whatever you want. 864 00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,920 Yeah, they want to have they want to have season one. not 865 00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,190 show up as seen. In one, they want to be able to name it where 866 00:55:02,190 --> 00:55:02,940 it's like 867 00:55:04,410 --> 00:55:05,550 the Bush years. 868 00:55:05,609 --> 00:55:07,619 Yes. Yes, exactly. Yeah, 869 00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:13,440 exactly. The Obama regime. Yeah, the tragedy, the dark, the dark 870 00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,170 with dark winter. Exactly. 871 00:55:18,420 --> 00:55:22,470 That's, it's a simple change, just add a text text attribute 872 00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:25,380 in there, and you're done. But you know, if you just look at it 873 00:55:25,380 --> 00:55:27,750 from, oh, you're just duplicating that team's 874 00:55:27,750 --> 00:55:29,640 namespace. And you said you weren't going to do that. He 875 00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,250 said, No, he said, don't duplicate the existing art. 876 00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,920 Well, there's a few. You know, there's a few different ways in 877 00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,170 which you have to do that. There's no, it's not 878 00:55:37,170 --> 00:55:41,160 duplication. If it's not the same thing, it's correcting. 879 00:55:41,940 --> 00:55:44,370 Yes. correcting a mistake. 880 00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:49,350 Yeah, exactly. If it's not meeting people's needs, you you 881 00:55:49,350 --> 00:55:52,020 do you duplicate it, and you fix it? Yeah. And 882 00:55:52,020 --> 00:55:56,760 from a technological standpoint, although I'm sure that people 883 00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:02,070 have back end systems, depending on the numerology version. It 884 00:56:02,070 --> 00:56:06,150 really there's no technical reason to not just accept any 885 00:56:06,150 --> 00:56:07,410 other characters, right? 886 00:56:08,610 --> 00:56:11,550 Yeah, there's no, there's no challenge to that. I mean, 887 00:56:11,550 --> 00:56:14,430 that's a simple thing, right? And really, what's what's, 888 00:56:15,240 --> 00:56:20,160 here's what, here's the way it should go. app, Apple should 889 00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:24,300 just say, Okay, we'll dump all of the iTunes tags into the 890 00:56:24,300 --> 00:56:27,480 namespace into the podcast namespace, which change, change 891 00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:31,290 it up and modify them however we need to. And then let the whole 892 00:56:31,290 --> 00:56:34,920 world know that they just need to change from iTunes, colon to 893 00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:38,520 podcast colon, and we're done. Yep. Well, that's not pie in 894 00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:39,330 disguise? 895 00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:43,410 No. Well, we'll see. We'll see. They're not asleep over there at 896 00:56:43,410 --> 00:56:47,310 Apple. But I think they're very focused on a feeling they're 897 00:56:47,310 --> 00:56:52,350 pretty focused on creating what you would call podcasts Plus, I 898 00:56:52,350 --> 00:56:54,870 think they're gonna do some kind of offering like that. 899 00:56:55,350 --> 00:56:56,340 I think they have to, 900 00:56:56,759 --> 00:56:59,579 I don't think they have to at all, I think they're foolish. 901 00:56:59,879 --> 00:57:04,019 But I think they have to from a, from a business standpoint. I 902 00:57:04,019 --> 00:57:06,539 mean, you can't, if Spotify is doing it, that's their main 903 00:57:06,539 --> 00:57:09,509 competitor. They they're just like, Well, I 904 00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:12,720 think it wasn't the same logic that took away the Escape key 905 00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:17,010 from their, their Mac. I mean, is that is that is that how they 906 00:57:17,010 --> 00:57:19,260 were thinking that they made those decisions to the same 907 00:57:19,260 --> 00:57:22,860 logic tree? Yes, every developer I know, 908 00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,630 why do they still have the touch bar? It's an obvious failure. 909 00:57:27,930 --> 00:57:29,700 It's so bad. But 910 00:57:29,700 --> 00:57:33,150 it's the Escape key being a command line guy myself, it's 911 00:57:33,150 --> 00:57:36,810 like a tactile piece of goodness that's on your keyboard, you 912 00:57:36,810 --> 00:57:39,570 know, you know where it is. You don't have to look for it. 913 00:57:40,170 --> 00:57:42,450 Exactly where you put your finger. So you don't touch if 914 00:57:42,450 --> 00:57:44,250 you have a touchscreen, you know, it's like, we don't want 915 00:57:44,250 --> 00:57:47,820 to go too far. Yeah, but you just, it's just yeah, it's like, 916 00:57:47,850 --> 00:57:50,940 it's that thing that's just there. It's like a part of life. 917 00:57:51,690 --> 00:57:53,910 That was that was one huge mistake. And 918 00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:56,340 that's one of those things in the nature of big companies 919 00:57:56,340 --> 00:57:58,920 where, you know, they there's something happens and it got 920 00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,290 done, and it got pushed through the system. And then somebody 921 00:58:01,290 --> 00:58:04,890 looks at the top when it when it gets time to actually like PR it 922 00:58:04,890 --> 00:58:08,160 and promo it and they're like, Whoa, yeah, wait, we did this, 923 00:58:08,220 --> 00:58:09,750 how did we do this. And 924 00:58:09,780 --> 00:58:12,600 that's why it's so nice to have users and developers working 925 00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,420 together on this project. I know, I'm one of the few users 926 00:58:15,420 --> 00:58:19,020 but there are more. There are more definitely more, we got a 927 00:58:19,020 --> 00:58:22,380 whole host of buzzsprout feeds that are coming online with 928 00:58:22,380 --> 00:58:26,070 this. So then we have the location tag, which I see 929 00:58:26,070 --> 00:58:31,620 several use cases for I see a nightmarish situation developing 930 00:58:31,620 --> 00:58:37,380 around what system to use for the values. 931 00:58:39,150 --> 00:58:43,080 Well, that's been where most of the, you know, debate has been 932 00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:49,200 around this is what how do you represent it? And that's what I 933 00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,330 think we always knew that was gonna be one of the most 934 00:58:51,330 --> 00:58:55,770 technically challenging tags. Because, you know, everybody, 935 00:58:56,190 --> 00:58:58,080 part of what makes it challenging is everybody's got 936 00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:01,020 an opinion. And the other part of what makes it a challenge is 937 00:59:01,020 --> 00:59:05,670 that a lot of those opinion, opinions are legit. And when you 938 00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:08,130 have four or five different opinions on how to do something, 939 00:59:08,130 --> 00:59:12,180 and none of them are obviously wrong, pulled in, you just got 940 00:59:12,180 --> 00:59:16,740 to pick one and you know, and hope for the best. But, you 941 00:59:16,740 --> 00:59:21,180 know, we A lot of it's going to revolve around latitude 942 00:59:21,180 --> 00:59:24,690 longitude specifications, right in here. And here's what and 943 00:59:24,690 --> 00:59:29,760 this is another thing that is common with all these tours, 944 00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:33,690 sorts of like standards development type work, is your 945 00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:38,490 you end up spending most of your time debating about stuff that 946 00:59:38,490 --> 00:59:42,720 99% of people are not going to use, you know, because like 947 00:59:42,750 --> 00:59:48,510 there's, there's maybe, well I say not use it, I mean, they may 948 00:59:48,510 --> 00:59:52,650 not even use the location tag at all. But then they also if they 949 00:59:52,650 --> 00:59:56,160 do leave the location tag, they're probably just going to 950 00:59:56,160 --> 01:00:02,220 use it in its most basic form and So you end up, you got a 951 01:00:02,220 --> 01:00:06,360 design where that basic form that NET Core, that root thing 952 01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:11,190 that it does is dead simple. is dead simple to create and dead 953 01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:15,750 simple to consume, because you don't want this stuff to be so 954 01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:22,380 complicated that, that it the people can't I would say this, 955 01:00:22,410 --> 01:00:29,010 okay? RSS is XML, it's a, it's a markup language. You don't want 956 01:00:29,010 --> 01:00:31,980 this stuff to be so complicated that you can't write it by hand, 957 01:00:32,010 --> 01:00:35,490 right? Which it already, which is technically really already 958 01:00:35,490 --> 01:00:39,360 is, it kind of is Yeah, but the spirit of it needs to be such 959 01:00:39,390 --> 01:00:42,180 that you could write it by hand, if you needed to, that doesn't 960 01:00:42,180 --> 01:00:45,030 mean that anybody's going to do it. Well, it means that it 961 01:00:45,030 --> 01:00:46,350 that's what it's supposed to be 962 01:00:46,379 --> 01:00:50,639 called throw my hat into the ring. Okay, on on location, and 963 01:00:50,639 --> 01:00:55,199 I can see reasons to you, if I were to use the location tag, I 964 01:00:55,199 --> 01:01:00,929 would probably use something that showed me as being probably 965 01:01:00,929 --> 01:01:05,489 near downtown Austin. So if anyone wanted to find out what 966 01:01:05,489 --> 01:01:08,579 podcasts are produced in Austin, I would not put my actual 967 01:01:08,579 --> 01:01:13,919 location. But what I what I find as a creator, that can be done 968 01:01:13,919 --> 01:01:17,519 pretty much everywhere. And I know that my phone understands 969 01:01:17,519 --> 01:01:20,699 this, I know that I can put it into Google Maps, and it 970 01:01:20,699 --> 01:01:24,719 understands this. And I have in my right in front of me on the 971 01:01:24,719 --> 01:01:27,989 freedom controller, which is always I get a big kick out of 972 01:01:27,989 --> 01:01:32,399 this. I have my IP address shows up and I click on that, and it 973 01:01:32,399 --> 01:01:36,989 shows me my shows me my zip code, it shows me my city, it 974 01:01:36,989 --> 01:01:41,669 shows me my latitude and longitude. And I think if I chop 975 01:01:41,669 --> 01:01:47,519 off six digits, off of those numbers, then I think that would 976 01:01:47,549 --> 01:01:50,699 make the resolution fuzzy enough so that you can't pinpoint me 977 01:01:50,699 --> 01:01:54,839 exactly. But it's right there, it's very easy for me to 978 01:01:54,839 --> 01:01:58,529 retrieve my actual latitude and longitude. And I could do that 979 01:01:58,769 --> 01:02:02,999 with my phone. You could anybody can retrieve that information, 980 01:02:02,999 --> 01:02:05,789 quite simply, I think you could probably even do it in a Google 981 01:02:05,789 --> 01:02:09,959 search, if you have your location services turned on. So 982 01:02:09,959 --> 01:02:14,339 that seems like a super easy way for anybody, not which also the 983 01:02:14,339 --> 01:02:18,149 reverse is true, that you can as a hosting company, you can say, 984 01:02:18,329 --> 01:02:20,969 give me a zip code and address. And I'll pin it to that. And 985 01:02:20,969 --> 01:02:24,359 I'll just enter the latitude longitude, there's a million 986 01:02:24,359 --> 01:02:25,709 services that do that. 987 01:02:26,490 --> 01:02:30,360 The most recent sort of not debate that the most recent is 988 01:02:30,420 --> 01:02:33,810 back and forth on that has been whether or not to require a 989 01:02:33,810 --> 01:02:39,450 location like a string, whether or not to say, you know, like 990 01:02:39,570 --> 01:02:44,100 us, like a locate, like locality and a country code, because 991 01:02:44,100 --> 01:02:48,240 initially, we had it where location was an was a locality 992 01:02:48,510 --> 01:02:54,090 and a country code. And then, well, locality or country and or 993 01:02:54,090 --> 01:02:57,330 country code. And then latitude longitude was also an optional 994 01:02:57,330 --> 01:02:59,460 spec that you could put in and say if you'd like, more 995 01:02:59,460 --> 01:03:00,000 specific, I'm 996 01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:00,810 okay with that. 997 01:03:01,830 --> 01:03:06,570 But then, some people have were like, well, should should Latino 998 01:03:06,570 --> 01:03:10,020 should it be? Should it just be largely longitude because you 999 01:03:10,020 --> 01:03:13,020 can just make it may be more complicated to do it the other 1000 01:03:13,020 --> 01:03:15,840 way in latitude longitude can give you most of what you need, 1001 01:03:16,140 --> 01:03:20,400 at the resolution that you want. So they say that's just a just 1002 01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,530 goes back and forth. And, and 1003 01:03:22,589 --> 01:03:25,229 I'm sure you will make a wise decision, Dave. 1004 01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:30,150 I hope it's not me that made that decision with somebody 1005 01:03:30,150 --> 01:03:33,840 else. Because I don't want to I don't want that. But I mean, I 1006 01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:36,810 think but I do think it's I do think it's a great idea, because 1007 01:03:36,810 --> 01:03:40,440 you would it would help you. And I can tell you, I can show you 1008 01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:44,790 exactly why it's a great idea. Somebody emailed me the guy from 1009 01:03:44,790 --> 01:03:47,340 Kazakhstan that we talked about that didn't know donation last 1010 01:03:47,370 --> 01:03:52,830 last week. Yep. He he's wanting to build a cosmic Stan podcast 1011 01:03:52,830 --> 01:03:57,690 search engine. And we've emailed about it and he's like, but you 1012 01:03:57,690 --> 01:04:01,320 know, the cut, it could be the languages could either be 1013 01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:06,390 Kazakhstan, Kazakhstani or Russian. Mm hmm. And so you 1014 01:04:06,390 --> 01:04:10,530 can't you can't just limit it to language. And you can't limit it 1015 01:04:10,530 --> 01:04:14,490 to just a k A k z domain but don't 1016 01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:20,040 just enter Caliphate and it pops up. Yeah, yeah. 1017 01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:29,310 Does CP TLD you can't like you just got oil as well. I 1018 01:04:30,270 --> 01:04:33,210 can't you just follow hunter Biden and then your lead right 1019 01:04:33,210 --> 01:04:35,400 to Kazakhstan. I don't understand the problem. 1020 01:04:36,540 --> 01:04:39,930 If you did, please don't do that. Don't Don't Google that. 1021 01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:45,570 You'll end up black bag. Yeah. There's your There's your thing. 1022 01:04:45,570 --> 01:04:50,400 Like you can't. There's nothing to Kion that tells you anything. 1023 01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:55,320 So but if you had the location tag, you could. You could just 1024 01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:59,310 easily say okay, well all of these podcasts originate from 1025 01:04:59,310 --> 01:05:02,340 cows. It doesn't have to give you your street address. I mean, 1026 01:05:02,490 --> 01:05:07,320 it could just be kazakstan the whole country, you know? Yeah, 1027 01:05:07,380 --> 01:05:11,970 I think just the simplest known systems, you know, it's like, 1028 01:05:11,970 --> 01:05:19,050 yeah, I think city, city, state, country, and then longitude, 1029 01:05:19,050 --> 01:05:21,390 latitude, make it optional. Whatever you want to pick, it's 1030 01:05:21,450 --> 01:05:25,830 all optional, I presume. And you can, you can pick and choose 1031 01:05:25,830 --> 01:05:28,740 whatever you want to want to be included in the Kazakhstani 1032 01:05:28,740 --> 01:05:32,460 index, then you have to enter your country code appropriately. 1033 01:05:33,090 --> 01:05:36,300 Yeah. So since I just do a couple options, there doesn't 1034 01:05:36,300 --> 01:05:37,680 have to be either or. 1035 01:05:38,189 --> 01:05:42,809 I mean, I think I think we're, I think we're most of the way 1036 01:05:42,809 --> 01:05:46,769 there on location. And in person slash credit, we just got to get 1037 01:05:47,909 --> 01:05:49,799 just get to get that last mile. Well, I'm 1038 01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:53,730 glad I'm glad he's doing. He's doing something because there's 1039 01:05:53,730 --> 01:05:57,780 a lot of people that pop up and say, Oh, I'd love this. You 1040 01:05:57,780 --> 01:06:00,300 know, and what that means. I'd love for someone out there to 1041 01:06:00,300 --> 01:06:02,790 create an app that does that utilizing this that doesn't 1042 01:06:02,790 --> 01:06:08,340 exist yet. So yeah, that's, that's my spiel here. 1043 01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:12,810 When when somebody goes up to the pastor is like, Hey, I 1044 01:06:12,810 --> 01:06:16,080 really wish that there was this there was this ministry in the 1045 01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:18,780 church, and you know, the pastor's like, great. Go ahead 1046 01:06:18,780 --> 01:06:22,200 and do it now. Oh, wait, what? Yeah, me? Yeah, 1047 01:06:22,620 --> 01:06:23,340 exactly. 1048 01:06:25,410 --> 01:06:28,020 Yeah, I think that's where we're at. Okay, I think we can get it 1049 01:06:28,020 --> 01:06:30,960 done. I don't see why we can't get I don't 1050 01:06:31,290 --> 01:06:33,930 see why we could either. And then we have my favorite Of 1051 01:06:33,930 --> 01:06:35,220 course, the value block. 1052 01:06:35,910 --> 01:06:37,080 Yep. You know, 1053 01:06:37,379 --> 01:06:40,859 or what are the what are the discussions around the value 1054 01:06:40,859 --> 01:06:42,929 block? Because it seems pretty straightforward. 1055 01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:49,470 I don't think there's really any discussion about me, Brian brown 1056 01:06:49,470 --> 01:06:53,370 of London, he's, he's trying to work to get it adapted to other 1057 01:06:53,370 --> 01:06:54,990 coins. hive, or 1058 01:06:55,319 --> 01:06:58,169 he did it. Is he needed any changes for that? Or is he 1059 01:06:58,500 --> 01:07:02,850 if he if he does, he hadn't said he hadn't shared it? Okay. I 1060 01:07:02,850 --> 01:07:06,660 mean, a thing is fairly straightforward. I mean, there's 1061 01:07:06,660 --> 01:07:10,110 really not a whole lot of stuff he can change there. 1062 01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:13,260 So I discussed all this yesterday at the last night at 1063 01:07:13,260 --> 01:07:18,060 the Austin Bitcoin meetup. Which was, yes, I was invited by Ryan 1064 01:07:18,060 --> 01:07:22,140 Gentry. Who is the I don't want to get his title wrong. I think 1065 01:07:22,140 --> 01:07:25,080 he's vice president or Senior Vice President of Business 1066 01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:29,340 Development at lightning labs. And it was it's kind of funky 1067 01:07:29,340 --> 01:07:33,060 because this place on East Fifth Street, which is, you know, 1068 01:07:33,060 --> 01:07:37,530 downtown Austin with the, with the original lockdowns and then 1069 01:07:37,530 --> 01:07:42,930 some of the we did have a couple BLM marches, which got a little 1070 01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,720 a little messy the first time around, there's more graffiti 1071 01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:46,230 and just 1072 01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:50,130 destruction one day, right? It didn't, didn't get Yeah, 1073 01:07:50,460 --> 01:07:54,270 that was there. Two things. As a side note in Austin, two things 1074 01:07:54,270 --> 01:07:59,130 that are interesting. One is you know, there was a Black Lives 1075 01:07:59,130 --> 01:08:08,160 Matter rally and one of the protesters had a ar 15. And they 1076 01:08:08,190 --> 01:08:11,250 did what you've probably seen on the news, they surrounded a car 1077 01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:14,400 and the guy with the AR 15 walked up to the person's 1078 01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:18,750 window, raised his raised his barrel, and he did it to the 1079 01:08:18,750 --> 01:08:25,470 wrong person. And the guy in the car, I think he's off duty or 1080 01:08:25,470 --> 01:08:30,180 active military. T immediately. He's sitting away fired. And he 1081 01:08:30,180 --> 01:08:35,970 called the police right away. And he's, he's, you know, self 1082 01:08:35,970 --> 01:08:40,620 defense. And I stopped stops, that stopped all the bullcrap in 1083 01:08:40,620 --> 01:08:44,340 Austin. That and the horses, which I thought was really cute. 1084 01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,760 When there was Yeah, there was a smaller group and they were 1085 01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:50,430 trying to raise a ruckus and they were blocking off the 1086 01:08:50,430 --> 01:08:55,620 street. And then the Austin PD came in the Mounted Police and, 1087 01:08:55,680 --> 01:09:00,030 and what it does to a lot of these 20 year old kids is it's a 1088 01:09:00,030 --> 01:09:03,480 brain freeze because they look at the horse and like, well, but 1089 01:09:03,480 --> 01:09:06,720 that's animal cruelty. And then all sudden, this two and a half 1090 01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:09,900 thousand thousand pound beast comes over and starts pushing 1091 01:09:09,900 --> 01:09:14,790 you along and you will respond very well to this horse. If 1092 01:09:14,790 --> 01:09:17,730 you've ever been next to a Ryan horse nutrition, you have no 1093 01:09:17,730 --> 01:09:22,290 idea it's they are badass and I grew up in the 70s in the 1094 01:09:22,290 --> 01:09:26,520 Netherlands where there was a lot of anarchist riots. And man 1095 01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:30,120 when they brought in the the horses, people disperse. They 1096 01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:32,460 don't want you don't want to mess with the horses. I never 1097 01:09:32,460 --> 01:09:35,190 thought about that having having an animal versus some sort of 1098 01:09:35,190 --> 01:09:37,980 technological you know, these horses, not animals, 1099 01:09:37,980 --> 01:09:41,820 man. They're tanks these things were crazy. So anyway, so it was 1100 01:09:41,820 --> 01:09:45,990 this boarded up part of East 53 which is downtown dark no lights 1101 01:09:45,990 --> 01:09:49,380 at all. And I'm like, you know what's gonna happen this is the 1102 01:09:49,380 --> 01:09:52,830 perfect scam come to my Bitcoin meetup. I'm gonna get shipped 1103 01:09:52,830 --> 01:09:56,220 here on Fifth Street and you know, bleed out on the sidewalk. 1104 01:09:56,490 --> 01:09:57,870 They're gonna steal your public key 1105 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:05,100 Yeah. So that's funny. 1106 01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:06,390 Um, 1107 01:10:07,770 --> 01:10:12,570 then but actually, Ryan Ryan found me so and it was I think 1108 01:10:12,570 --> 01:10:17,460 it was at unchained capital, which is a multi SIG blockchain 1109 01:10:17,460 --> 01:10:20,130 company. So they're working on multiple signatures for 1110 01:10:20,130 --> 01:10:24,000 releasing ads. All these are all Bitcoin are mainly I would say 1111 01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:28,620 Bitcoin developers, there's about 2025 of them. And 1112 01:10:28,890 --> 01:10:32,250 I heard an interview with the unchained capital guys on I 1113 01:10:32,250 --> 01:10:33,690 forget his podcast that was 1114 01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:35,100 probably DC. 1115 01:10:35,580 --> 01:10:38,820 Yeah, no, no, it was some some other one. But they they were 1116 01:10:39,780 --> 01:10:41,880 seemed like pretty cool. Pretty cool guys again, interesting 1117 01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:42,510 business model. 1118 01:10:42,930 --> 01:10:47,700 Yeah. Well, it was, it was all super nice, very, very smart 1119 01:10:47,700 --> 01:10:51,660 people. And, you know, and so I got a little introduction, I and 1120 01:10:51,660 --> 01:10:55,590 I went through kind of my, I've got down to 20 minutes now I can 1121 01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:59,370 pitch all the way up to, to the value for value lightning 1122 01:10:59,370 --> 01:11:03,810 payments for starting 16 years ago, man. Yeah. So that that 1123 01:11:03,810 --> 01:11:10,020 were pretty well. A lot of interest. It, I think there were 1124 01:11:10,020 --> 01:11:15,840 some brain freezing going on, because the nature of Bitcoin 1125 01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:20,370 developers is to have absolute security, you can't be sending 1126 01:11:20,370 --> 01:11:23,520 something, you know, like, it's in your wallet. And if you know, 1127 01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:28,320 you don't have a, you know, explicit reason for a payment, 1128 01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:30,540 like there was a lot of security based stuff 1129 01:11:30,780 --> 01:11:34,830 get, like, you're gonna put what in an RSS feed? I know 1130 01:11:34,830 --> 01:11:38,760 exactly, exactly. But there was also a lot of Holy crap. That's, 1131 01:11:39,090 --> 01:11:43,350 that's a very cool way to do it. And it's, it appears that our 1132 01:11:43,710 --> 01:11:49,170 multi payment concept has really sparked some actual development 1133 01:11:49,860 --> 01:11:54,750 in the lightning protocols to enable that in a little more 1134 01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:56,730 native fashion. 1135 01:11:57,420 --> 01:11:58,710 Oh, really? That's interesting. 1136 01:11:58,770 --> 01:12:01,800 Yeah. Which I'm sure will be backwards compatible into what 1137 01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:06,780 we're doing. But it was nice to hear that. Um, then. So after my 1138 01:12:06,780 --> 01:12:09,990 20 minutes, and then they started just presenting stuff 1139 01:12:09,990 --> 01:12:16,650 about lightning and Bitcoin. And holy crap. These guys are deep. 1140 01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:19,650 Well, yeah, 1141 01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:21,000 they're on a different level. Well, 1142 01:12:21,060 --> 01:12:24,630 let me see. So if you have a UX t O's, and those are ready to 1143 01:12:24,630 --> 01:12:27,600 go, but you want to put it into the pool, so that you can 1144 01:12:27,630 --> 01:12:28,560 obviously as like, 1145 01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,100 you just checked out and you started looking at your plan, 1146 01:12:32,220 --> 01:12:34,650 and was like, yeah, I'm really excited about taproot. And I'm 1147 01:12:34,650 --> 01:12:40,320 like, I'm like in the corner there Google route. So they're 1148 01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:44,700 they're working on a lot of the core of Bitcoin, but it was nice 1149 01:12:44,700 --> 01:12:49,890 to meet everybody. Amazing to meet two people in the same room 1150 01:12:49,890 --> 01:12:52,770 in Texas, whose first name is Parker. I didn't think that was 1151 01:12:52,770 --> 01:12:56,490 possible. And both of them looks like harkers. They were great. 1152 01:12:56,490 --> 01:13:00,000 This is great. Your partner your partner, you're both Parker. 1153 01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:04,980 Okay. Yeah, then we went out to a little barbecue and, and 1154 01:13:04,980 --> 01:13:13,650 chatted with the, with Ryan, a bit more. And yeah, he's, it was 1155 01:13:13,650 --> 01:13:19,980 very interesting to see Ryan actually promoting what we're 1156 01:13:19,980 --> 01:13:24,210 doing more than I am a he was going around showing everybody 1157 01:13:24,210 --> 01:13:27,690 the tribes on spinx chat, and he said, Look, here's how the SATs 1158 01:13:27,690 --> 01:13:32,040 flow in. And it was just like, Wow, we had to send him a box of 1159 01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:35,010 candies once in a while he was really, really pitching art. 1160 01:13:35,190 --> 01:13:39,720 Well, he also told me that it's most likely, at this moment, not 1161 01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:44,400 by value amount, but by transaction amount, that we are 1162 01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:47,940 a little group here with animal rehab, six podcasts, seven 1163 01:13:47,940 --> 01:13:51,660 podcasts that are no value block enabled, that we're probably 1164 01:13:51,660 --> 01:13:55,560 responsible for the majority of lightning payments on the 1165 01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:59,940 network today. Are you key? Yeah, yes, yes. 1166 01:14:00,450 --> 01:14:03,060 Okay. So that's what I told somebody on. That's what I told 1167 01:14:03,060 --> 01:14:06,660 him in the tstc tribe the other day, I was like, Well, you know, 1168 01:14:06,690 --> 01:14:09,660 some may have been yesterday, somebody was talking about how 1169 01:14:09,900 --> 01:14:13,170 some kind of use case there, you know, this is like, gonna be the 1170 01:14:13,170 --> 01:14:16,410 perfect use case. So the thing I'm local, to me, podcasting is 1171 01:14:16,410 --> 01:14:19,230 the perfect use case for lightning payments. I mean, 1172 01:14:19,260 --> 01:14:22,740 like, if what's needed is to drive traffic onto the lightning 1173 01:14:22,740 --> 01:14:24,690 network. I mean, like it's done. 1174 01:14:25,710 --> 01:14:26,640 Exactly. 1175 01:14:26,970 --> 01:14:31,350 I mean, I can't imagine that and I think I mentioned I think I 1176 01:14:31,350 --> 01:14:34,230 had asked this question was before, let's just say that you 1177 01:14:34,230 --> 01:14:38,790 get 150 podcasts that are sending lightning payments. Do 1178 01:14:38,790 --> 01:14:41,460 we know that the lightning network can handle that much 1179 01:14:41,460 --> 01:14:42,240 Keystone traffic? 1180 01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:45,540 Well, thank you for asking because this comes down to the 1181 01:14:45,570 --> 01:14:51,210 HDL C's that go right back to the UT stos. Okay, 1182 01:14:51,540 --> 01:14:53,160 you got Okay, that makes perfect sense. 1183 01:14:53,940 --> 01:14:57,630 There, well, okay. So this, this brings in another another 1184 01:14:57,630 --> 01:15:03,330 important point. So The way this works is with these nodes. And 1185 01:15:03,330 --> 01:15:09,060 so for a while, we were just using my my raspy Blitz, which 1186 01:15:09,060 --> 01:15:12,750 is a ready made package, essentially Raspberry Pi with 1187 01:15:12,780 --> 01:15:16,230 all the bits and bobs into it. And it's simple enough for me to 1188 01:15:16,230 --> 01:15:20,760 set up. We were using that for the index, when you're getting, 1189 01:15:23,250 --> 01:15:29,100 like 10 payments a minute. And those payments come pretty much 1190 01:15:29,100 --> 01:15:31,680 within each other within the same time frame, I could see 1191 01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:35,160 that I could see the CPU load go up, and of course it would have 1192 01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:40,320 to. So I don't know how that scales. I really don't. But at 1193 01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:44,880 the same time, we have two fantastic developments. And then 1194 01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:48,090 we should probably circle back into exactly what you know, what 1195 01:15:48,090 --> 01:15:50,670 what we need and where we're going with this back shall lead 1196 01:15:50,670 --> 01:15:55,980 into it. At the same time, we have a community of Bitcoin 1197 01:15:55,980 --> 01:16:00,930 podcasting, people coming together. So in this group, we 1198 01:16:00,930 --> 01:16:05,910 have savingstar chat, which is just say, Paul, and mainly but 1199 01:16:05,910 --> 01:16:08,460 of course, Evan and there's other people who work there. And 1200 01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:09,420 and they're really, 1201 01:16:09,450 --> 01:16:11,940 really Gonzalo, right, because 1202 01:16:12,060 --> 01:16:16,770 they're really, really doing a great job in the tribes, helping 1203 01:16:16,770 --> 01:16:20,400 people supporting people. I think we've all gotten into the 1204 01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:23,070 habit of once in a while just throwing a boost out there just 1205 01:16:23,070 --> 01:16:24,510 to get everyone's attention. 1206 01:16:24,929 --> 01:16:28,229 Yes, it's funny how these little standards develop? Yeah. Oh, 1207 01:16:28,229 --> 01:16:28,559 yeah, it's 1208 01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:31,200 beautiful. The standards are these cool, you know, the the 1209 01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:34,080 numerology of it all. And so that, yeah, 1210 01:16:34,110 --> 01:16:36,630 sometimes I noticed that somebody hasn't dropped, like, 1211 01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:39,120 and somebody hasn't had a new episode in a while, because 1212 01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:41,160 they'll boost Adam just to get you to give him some. 1213 01:16:41,490 --> 01:16:47,160 So the system that Sphinx chat uses, and the way they've built 1214 01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:51,810 architecture, their systems everybody has, has a node. And 1215 01:16:52,350 --> 01:16:55,740 you know, provisioning those and getting them up and running. And 1216 01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:59,370 keeping that infrastructure running at scale is something 1217 01:16:59,370 --> 01:17:02,070 that they're, you know, they're working on and figuring out how 1218 01:17:02,070 --> 01:17:06,540 to do that in the most efficient way. Also, in this group, as I 1219 01:17:06,540 --> 01:17:13,980 mentioned, is Ryan, and through Paul, maybe Paul, and Orion, we 1220 01:17:13,980 --> 01:17:20,340 have Graham, and Graham runs the voltage voltage.io. 1221 01:17:20,849 --> 01:17:22,709 Yeah, I did hear him on TF TC. 1222 01:17:22,980 --> 01:17:30,450 Right. So voltage is literally a node he is you started up, it's 1223 01:17:30,450 --> 01:17:34,290 not a it's not a server you can get into there's no SSH, there's 1224 01:17:34,290 --> 01:17:38,820 there's no way to get into it's a very simple control panel. And 1225 01:17:38,850 --> 01:17:43,500 you access everything from the outside through the API, you can 1226 01:17:43,500 --> 01:17:47,160 only access it for access it from whitelisted IP addresses, I 1227 01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:49,980 think there's a lot of security consciousness that's going on 1228 01:17:49,980 --> 01:17:55,170 there. You can pay in Bitcoin. So I've set the podcast index 1229 01:17:55,170 --> 01:17:58,800 node up with him, and it's performing beautifully. It's it, 1230 01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:02,160 it's really doing quite well. Now it's good these type of 1231 01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:03,000 services, 1232 01:18:03,030 --> 01:18:05,640 did you set that up as a neutrino node, like a light node 1233 01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:06,330 or the full? 1234 01:18:07,019 --> 01:18:07,949 It's a full node? 1235 01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:10,860 Because I think they they just released the lights, the 1236 01:18:10,890 --> 01:18:13,110 neutrino nodes race, like when the last week? 1237 01:18:13,110 --> 01:18:16,500 Yeah, I mean, I went for the full on top option, because I 1238 01:18:16,500 --> 01:18:18,900 didn't know if the other ones included peace and or not. So I 1239 01:18:18,900 --> 01:18:23,280 just got, I just got that. But I think Graham will be putting 1240 01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:30,570 together packages for podcast podcasters for creators who want 1241 01:18:30,570 --> 01:18:34,500 to just say this is nice. And I think that hosting company 1242 01:18:34,500 --> 01:18:38,910 should talk to guys like Graham, because you're gonna want to 1243 01:18:38,910 --> 01:18:43,740 offer this to your customers. And it's probably easier to to 1244 01:18:43,740 --> 01:18:47,040 do a handoff and have a relationship there. I don't I 1245 01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:49,890 don't know if hosting companies are interested in in hosting 1246 01:18:49,890 --> 01:18:51,420 nodes that may be a bit much, 1247 01:18:51,900 --> 01:18:54,090 we've got to secure it, you've got you've, you've got the 1248 01:18:54,090 --> 01:18:56,730 security there too. And you don't have to worry about people 1249 01:18:56,730 --> 01:18:59,880 winging it. You know, that because well, you know, James 1250 01:18:59,880 --> 01:19:03,660 Cridland said on the on the mastodon, he was like, Somebody 1251 01:19:03,660 --> 01:19:06,270 said, Well, you know, you should talk about this with the tags 1252 01:19:06,270 --> 01:19:08,190 and the newsletter and all stuff. And he's like, I can't 1253 01:19:08,190 --> 01:19:10,890 talk about this right now. He's like, there's no, like, it's 1254 01:19:10,890 --> 01:19:13,050 just not far enough along. I mean, like, it doesn't even make 1255 01:19:13,050 --> 01:19:18,480 any sense. Like, I even know what to say. So that's legit, 1256 01:19:18,480 --> 01:19:22,500 that is perfectly legit. Because like, you can't, until What you 1257 01:19:22,500 --> 01:19:25,830 need is a situation like that, where you have somebody who can 1258 01:19:25,830 --> 01:19:29,490 say, you know, here's, here's a node, and here's an X, you know, 1259 01:19:29,490 --> 01:19:34,110 here's your XML, just go sticking up. You know, here's 1260 01:19:34,110 --> 01:19:37,140 your, you know, here's your hand, here's a handoff to your 1261 01:19:37,140 --> 01:19:39,450 host, and host to your hosting provider, and they can stick in 1262 01:19:39,450 --> 01:19:41,850 your feet, and then it's like, then you don't, then you don't 1263 01:19:41,850 --> 01:19:44,040 have to worry about the implementation details. And it's 1264 01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:47,580 all just a matter of how does, how does it work? Don't explain 1265 01:19:47,580 --> 01:19:47,970 that. 1266 01:19:48,030 --> 01:19:50,910 So for podcasters, who want to get ready, and if you want to 1267 01:19:50,910 --> 01:19:57,810 get started, I believe you can do that. So if you set up a node 1268 01:19:58,260 --> 01:20:02,520 with voltage.io and now And we already have a process in place 1269 01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:07,980 for for strings chat. But if you go to podcaster wallet.com, and 1270 01:20:07,980 --> 01:20:13,980 claim your feed, claim your wallet really, and you, then you 1271 01:20:13,980 --> 01:20:18,630 enter your, your your node ID that you get from voltage, then 1272 01:20:18,690 --> 01:20:21,450 and then we have a spot right there on the website, right that 1273 01:20:21,450 --> 01:20:24,960 you just say, you can say either I have Sphinx chat, which 1274 01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:29,940 activates the app, or you can do a different node, your own node 1275 01:20:29,940 --> 01:20:33,900 or voltage node. When you do that, and you're, you're 1276 01:20:33,900 --> 01:20:38,040 basically already set up. Yeah, that's all you have to do. I 1277 01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:41,160 mean, we you should, if you can, you should pace the value block 1278 01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:45,300 into your feed. But if you can't, at least for now, and for 1279 01:20:45,300 --> 01:20:47,850 the foreseeable future, you're already set up through the apps 1280 01:20:47,850 --> 01:20:49,320 that communicate with the index. 1281 01:20:49,620 --> 01:20:53,340 Yeah, it'll it'll stick it directly in index, if you don't 1282 01:20:53,340 --> 01:20:56,460 have your feed. Like if you don't have the ability to edit 1283 01:20:56,460 --> 01:21:00,690 your feed, which a lot of people don't. Yeah, so that that's, 1284 01:21:00,750 --> 01:21:06,030 that's the way around so you can get your get your node voltage 1285 01:21:06,030 --> 01:21:08,670 node or you know, things node or whatever set up and then just 1286 01:21:08,790 --> 01:21:12,900 paste it in there. If you wanted to do it that way, and then that 1287 01:21:12,900 --> 01:21:17,910 gets around having for now until, until the value book, 1288 01:21:18,090 --> 01:21:21,960 adoption comes along, that gets that gets around that edge, it 1289 01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:25,230 just sticks it directly into the index. So that so that lightning 1290 01:21:25,230 --> 01:21:28,410 enabled podcast apps, like Sphinx, and other ones that come 1291 01:21:28,410 --> 01:21:29,550 online can see it. 1292 01:21:30,330 --> 01:21:34,920 Yeah. And a reminder that all of the code that Sphinx is using is 1293 01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:40,020 all open source, they posted on the GitHub, you can you can 1294 01:21:40,020 --> 01:21:43,680 replicate anything, you couldn't use their app with your node. I 1295 01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:46,860 mean, there's all of that as possible. And in addition to 1296 01:21:46,860 --> 01:21:53,790 that, Ryan introduced me to ROI from Rhys wallet, and Brees is 1297 01:21:53,790 --> 01:21:59,340 an Israeli company, they have a now they have a their business 1298 01:21:59,340 --> 01:22:03,150 model, the way I understand that is they provide a wallet, a 1299 01:22:03,150 --> 01:22:08,040 lightning wallet, which they will also help you convert your 1300 01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:11,820 Fiat to Bitcoin and then put it right into your lightning 1301 01:22:11,820 --> 01:22:15,930 wallet, which is a big deal, because they can do it end to 1302 01:22:15,930 --> 01:22:18,180 end. And then when you want to take your money back out and 1303 01:22:18,180 --> 01:22:21,780 turn it into Fiat, they help you with that as well. And so they 1304 01:22:21,810 --> 01:22:28,170 take care of all of that it's a it is a fully loaded wallet, but 1305 01:22:28,170 --> 01:22:30,420 they do all the channel management and everything for 1306 01:22:30,420 --> 01:22:34,200 you. So he is what I've actually been looking for that company is 1307 01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:38,430 a lightning service provider. And what was cool about that is 1308 01:22:38,430 --> 01:22:42,360 that for using that infrastructure for a podcast 1309 01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:46,080 app, which only needs to send satoshis, it doesn't need to 1310 01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:50,910 receive therefore doesn't need to be online, 24. Seven, it's 1311 01:22:50,910 --> 01:22:55,500 the perfect situation for a podcast app to roll out its 1312 01:22:55,500 --> 01:23:00,360 scale. And I had a nice chat with Roy earlier in the week. 1313 01:23:00,510 --> 01:23:06,090 And he is just getting everything together. But they 1314 01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:10,230 there they plan to add podcasting into i think that i 1315 01:23:10,230 --> 01:23:13,230 think what he wants to do is, you know, they have what 1316 01:23:13,230 --> 01:23:17,130 everyone else has a marketplace where you can, you know, go buy 1317 01:23:17,850 --> 01:23:20,940 gift cards and stuff like that do stuff with your with your 1318 01:23:20,940 --> 01:23:25,770 lightning. And in there will be a podcast player and you just 1319 01:23:25,770 --> 01:23:28,710 hit it and it'll turns into a podcast player and it's already, 1320 01:23:28,740 --> 01:23:31,560 it's basically already a part of your wallet. So then you can 1321 01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:36,840 start sending value for value SATs to the podcast that are 1322 01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:40,830 enabled this way. And the idea is that they will drop a 1323 01:23:40,830 --> 01:23:48,630 reference app onto their GitHub. So anybody can pick that up and 1324 01:23:48,660 --> 01:23:52,590 implement it because you don't need a lightning node 1325 01:23:52,590 --> 01:23:57,390 infrastructure to develop this for your app for people to use. 1326 01:23:58,440 --> 01:24:00,750 That would be great, because that's really what's missing is 1327 01:24:00,750 --> 01:24:04,770 reference code. Yep. Because the developers on on the mastodon, 1328 01:24:04,770 --> 01:24:07,050 they just they don't know where to start with any of this stuff. 1329 01:24:07,620 --> 01:24:10,710 You know, and it's they can't start from scratch. It's too big 1330 01:24:10,710 --> 01:24:11,460 of a learning curve, 1331 01:24:11,490 --> 01:24:15,660 right? And then you know, so however, it happens once we have 1332 01:24:15,660 --> 01:24:19,800 an app that people can just go get from an app store or just go 1333 01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:22,740 to a website and make it a progressive web app or just use 1334 01:24:22,740 --> 01:24:26,640 a straight from their browser. Once we have that man, then the 1335 01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:32,310 push comes. And, and again, the machine is working. We have six 1336 01:24:32,310 --> 01:24:38,460 podcasts right now. And every single minute of every hour of 1337 01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:43,650 every single day. I see on the podcast index node satoshis 1338 01:24:43,650 --> 01:24:47,820 coming in. So people are playing the podcast, they're using the 1339 01:24:47,820 --> 01:24:51,540 app, they love all the additional payment goodies and 1340 01:24:51,540 --> 01:24:54,900 features that are thrown in there. The machine is working. 1341 01:24:55,140 --> 01:24:57,510 We just need more of the machine. 1342 01:24:58,530 --> 01:25:03,360 And that's it like I don't know how deep. We want to get into 1343 01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:09,240 that. But I think it's worth mentioning what while we're, 1344 01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:14,760 while we're pushing this, and it's because advertising is 1345 01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:20,010 censorship. I mean, like, I don't know. I mean, we've talked 1346 01:25:20,010 --> 01:25:24,090 about that before. But I don't know that we've ever really made 1347 01:25:24,090 --> 01:25:28,350 it clear. Why advertising is this shit, we just keep saying 1348 01:25:28,350 --> 01:25:28,620 it. 1349 01:25:30,390 --> 01:25:31,920 It's very, it's very Yes, 1350 01:25:31,950 --> 01:25:34,800 can you give an explanation as somebody who's been in the media 1351 01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:35,940 for a very long time. 1352 01:25:37,290 --> 01:25:41,070 So first of all, if you have advertisers, you have to realize 1353 01:25:41,070 --> 01:25:45,420 that they are your boss, and they're your boss, because they 1354 01:25:45,420 --> 01:25:49,170 pay you the money directly or indirectly. And what for 1355 01:25:49,170 --> 01:25:53,610 whatever reason, they think that something is not appropriate for 1356 01:25:53,610 --> 01:25:56,700 their brand or their service to be associated with. And that 1357 01:25:56,700 --> 01:26:01,380 association can just even be on the same app or device. If they 1358 01:26:01,380 --> 01:26:03,870 don't want it, then you're not it's not going to happen. 1359 01:26:04,350 --> 01:26:09,090 Otherwise, they walk they have the ultimate ultimate tool. So, 1360 01:26:09,150 --> 01:26:14,490 what invariably happens is either the content is driven by 1361 01:26:14,490 --> 01:26:19,200 advertising, also known as advertorial. You can look at 1362 01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:27,270 most you can see, television shows certainly daytime shows, I 1363 01:26:27,270 --> 01:26:30,480 mean, gosh, the soap opera was actually developed around 1364 01:26:30,810 --> 01:26:35,130 company selling so products. So you know, and they use the 1365 01:26:35,130 --> 01:26:38,970 products on the show, etc. So often advertising drives the 1366 01:26:38,970 --> 01:26:42,690 content. In this world, the most exciting seems to be the free 1367 01:26:42,690 --> 01:26:46,170 flow of content and verbal diarrhea, if you will, but but 1368 01:26:46,170 --> 01:26:51,210 people seem to enjoy all forms have that. And if so, you 1369 01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:54,810 certainly you will self censor, because you won't talk about a 1370 01:26:54,810 --> 01:26:58,800 competing product, or you'll go out of your way to disclaim 1371 01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:02,310 something, or you will have to be disclaiming anything else you 1372 01:27:02,310 --> 01:27:05,250 discuss, I'm not getting paid for this. So you're already 1373 01:27:05,250 --> 01:27:08,250 bringing all kinds of discredit into the conversation with your 1374 01:27:08,250 --> 01:27:13,140 audience. And ultimately, it can be used as a wedge or a tool 1375 01:27:13,140 --> 01:27:17,460 against you, by people who just don't like you. And they will 1376 01:27:17,460 --> 01:27:21,120 mount campaigns very easy to do with social media and today's 1377 01:27:21,180 --> 01:27:24,870 modern communication tools, they will mount a campaign against 1378 01:27:24,870 --> 01:27:28,320 you and they figured out which is no secret that you if you 1379 01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:31,710 tell the advertisers that hey, you're associating with this 1380 01:27:31,740 --> 01:27:35,370 evil person, advertisers will drop it in a heartbeat, Twitter 1381 01:27:35,370 --> 01:27:38,820 is full of it. Go look at all the look, go look at Sleeping 1382 01:27:38,820 --> 01:27:44,370 Giants. And they will tag brands specifically and say, Do you 1383 01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:50,220 know that your ad is being run on this horrible website? And 1384 01:27:50,220 --> 01:27:53,040 immediately you see replies Oh, thank you. We weren't aware of 1385 01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:55,650 this, we will let you know that we have immediately stopped 1386 01:27:55,650 --> 01:28:02,010 this. So it's a lose, lose, lose lose situation. The only kind of 1387 01:28:02,010 --> 01:28:05,370 podcast advertising that is not censorship is when it's 1388 01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:08,910 advertising for your own business such as this podcast. 1389 01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:15,540 This podcast advertises one thing, and it is our it's far 1390 01:28:16,110 --> 01:28:20,160 our vision, our mission, the two part mission of preserving 1391 01:28:20,160 --> 01:28:23,790 podcasting as a platform of speech and retooling podcasting 1392 01:28:23,790 --> 01:28:28,110 into a platform of value, and we do that with podcast index. And, 1393 01:28:28,290 --> 01:28:33,480 and this is one giant commercial. And but it's our 1394 01:28:33,480 --> 01:28:38,370 own. So it's always going to be censored, whether you do it. I 1395 01:28:38,370 --> 01:28:41,970 mean, I think I might have mentioned this, but Joe Rogan, 1396 01:28:41,970 --> 01:28:47,310 who now has, you know he has a different boss, but he has a 1397 01:28:47,310 --> 01:28:52,260 boss that is going to sell beyond Tommy john, and and 1398 01:28:52,260 --> 01:28:56,910 Squarespace and some nutritional products. They want BMW and 1399 01:28:56,910 --> 01:29:01,230 Volvo and Delta Airlines and Johnson and Johnson and the big 1400 01:29:01,230 --> 01:29:06,300 brands. And Joe is known to be controversial. So brands will be 1401 01:29:06,300 --> 01:29:10,320 taking that chance but what he's doing is when he has alex jones 1402 01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:15,720 on, he's going into full blown fact check mode and slowing down 1403 01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:18,990 his own conversation every five minutes to look at a website to 1404 01:29:18,990 --> 01:29:23,310 see if what Jones said about global warming is true. And I 1405 01:29:23,310 --> 01:29:27,630 know and he's doing it because he wants to appease the people, 1406 01:29:28,170 --> 01:29:30,780 you know, technically that are above him. 1407 01:29:31,500 --> 01:29:34,560 But there's another aspect of it too, which is like I'm looking 1408 01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:38,760 at the head this print out of pod news for that other that 1409 01:29:38,820 --> 01:29:41,880 other headline I read, but I'm just looking on it it says the 1410 01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:45,600 top podcast advertisers, I'm guessing this is for October, 1411 01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:51,240 where Amazon at number three for it with a 2.7 million spend as 1412 01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:55,470 zip recruiter and number two with 3 million and better help. 1413 01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:59,970 And number one with 3.7 million wishes an online like many 1414 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,600 mental health counseling service. And I've heard better 1415 01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:07,680 help. Yeah, I've heard their ad reads. And they're there. 1416 01:30:07,710 --> 01:30:10,860 They're all host reads, that are at least all the ones I've 1417 01:30:10,860 --> 01:30:16,830 heard. And they're, they're terrible, like me. And what I 1418 01:30:16,830 --> 01:30:22,110 mean is, I've heard about three of them all host reads. And 1419 01:30:22,110 --> 01:30:25,380 there's so bland and so disingenuous. But as you can 1420 01:30:25,380 --> 01:30:29,010 tell that course, if they, if they used the cert, they all 1421 01:30:29,010 --> 01:30:32,220 claim to have used the service. But if they did, they just did 1422 01:30:32,220 --> 01:30:35,460 it on a perfunctory basis, just so they could say that they used 1423 01:30:35,460 --> 01:30:41,490 it. And it's just, it's totally not believable. And most people, 1424 01:30:41,910 --> 01:30:45,900 most people are not really good at doing host reads anyway, it 1425 01:30:45,900 --> 01:30:49,440 seems like a skill that you have to really develop over time. And 1426 01:30:49,650 --> 01:30:53,580 so one of the, you know, if you're trying to, I don't know 1427 01:30:53,580 --> 01:30:56,280 what their budget is, I guess there may be a Silicon Valley 1428 01:30:56,280 --> 01:30:59,310 startup type thing, so they just have tons of money to throw at 1429 01:30:59,310 --> 01:31:03,720 people. But like that, that's the other part of trying to 1430 01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:07,800 drive this is not just the censorship angle. But giving 1431 01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:12,660 people another way to get paid, so that they don't have to sort 1432 01:31:12,660 --> 01:31:15,630 of, I'm just gonna say it, I'm gonna say it this way, don't 1433 01:31:15,630 --> 01:31:19,710 have to demean themselves. And voice doing by doing those, 1434 01:31:19,740 --> 01:31:22,200 those ad reads, they're just not truthful. 1435 01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:25,080 And let me run the numbers by everybody one more time, this is 1436 01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:30,390 what makes the eyes go open when you run the numbers. And to 1437 01:31:30,390 --> 01:31:34,710 understand this, know that I was I've been able to convert three 1438 01:31:34,710 --> 01:31:41,790 to 4% of all of my audiences to sending value for the value they 1439 01:31:41,790 --> 01:31:45,420 receive, I never say how much I just say whatever you think it's 1440 01:31:45,420 --> 01:31:49,260 worth, and no agenda to families, I've survived for 13 1441 01:31:49,260 --> 01:31:54,030 years. Well, the last, the last half of those 13, we've survived 1442 01:31:54,300 --> 01:31:58,710 on the show alone, and put kids into college. So you know, it's 1443 01:31:58,710 --> 01:32:02,610 you can have a comfortable lifestyle. This show this 1444 01:32:02,610 --> 01:32:07,830 project has converted at a much higher percentage. And we'll be 1445 01:32:07,830 --> 01:32:11,010 thanking people in a moment, we can't believe we haven't done 1446 01:32:11,010 --> 01:32:16,800 that up until now. And if you look at the 100 million podcast 1447 01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:20,490 listeners in the United States, obviously all over the age of 1448 01:32:20,490 --> 01:32:25,860 25. Who, and this is into the interactive agent, advertising, 1449 01:32:25,860 --> 01:32:27,030 bureau statistics, 1450 01:32:27,210 --> 01:32:29,070 the ones under 25 don't have any money anyway, 1451 01:32:29,129 --> 01:32:32,009 thanks a screw them, you don't need them in this project. Yeah. 1452 01:32:33,359 --> 01:32:36,479 They, on average, these 100 million people listen to one 1453 01:32:36,509 --> 01:32:40,439 hour a day, seven days a week. So let's convert 1% of those 1454 01:32:40,439 --> 01:32:45,119 people to the pledge model. And this is not something that I can 1455 01:32:45,119 --> 01:32:47,909 or need to do every podcaster has their own pitch to their 1456 01:32:47,909 --> 01:32:51,239 audience. And every audience member will in turn when they 1457 01:32:51,239 --> 01:32:53,909 hear about this, say to their favorite podcast, or Hey, you 1458 01:32:53,909 --> 01:32:56,969 might want to consider using this system. So we can convert 1459 01:32:56,969 --> 01:33:04,859 1%. And we value one hour of content at $1. Now we have $1 1460 01:33:04,889 --> 01:33:09,029 million a day flowing through podcasting. 1461 01:33:10,950 --> 01:33:16,800 That's a lot of money. And and we can that's a lot of people 1462 01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:19,650 making a that would be now maybe that would be making a living 1463 01:33:19,650 --> 01:33:20,670 that or not now, 1464 01:33:20,970 --> 01:33:26,040 and over time 1% to an app developer is going to be a hell 1465 01:33:26,040 --> 01:33:27,060 of a lot interesting. 1466 01:33:28,019 --> 01:33:31,559 And I can tell you this, that the app, the the podcast, app 1467 01:33:31,589 --> 01:33:35,819 ecosystem is not very large. It's not at all You look, you 1468 01:33:35,819 --> 01:33:40,379 look at podcasts, there's how many 1.71 point 8 million out 1469 01:33:40,379 --> 01:33:43,769 there. Yeah. I mean, there's some somewhere close to 2 1470 01:33:43,769 --> 01:33:47,849 million podcasts. There's, there's only about probably 20 1471 01:33:47,849 --> 01:33:52,289 or 25 legitimate podcast apps. Yeah, and that may be that may 1472 01:33:52,289 --> 01:33:55,289 be high and maybe being generous. So I mean, if you can 1473 01:33:55,289 --> 01:34:00,779 get if you can make one 1% out of that smaller pool. You're 1474 01:34:01,199 --> 01:34:05,309 very good lid is real money. It's real money. And it's a life 1475 01:34:05,309 --> 01:34:06,119 changing event. 1476 01:34:06,330 --> 01:34:11,670 Yes. And, and and what's super exciting for me, and I should be 1477 01:34:11,670 --> 01:34:17,160 the most jaded guy in the world. When I look at my wallet, and I 1478 01:34:17,160 --> 01:34:21,900 see three satoshis a minute coming in. I'm excited. I mean, 1479 01:34:21,900 --> 01:34:25,020 I look at it several times they go Ah, and it says oh no, the 1480 01:34:25,020 --> 01:34:28,650 three satoshis now the three satoshis it's not like it's it's 1481 01:34:28,650 --> 01:34:34,080 like it's like likes you know, it's like oh, oh, it feels good. 1482 01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:37,830 It's like serotonin all kinds of stuff is firing in my brain I 1483 01:34:37,830 --> 01:34:38,940 feel good about it. 1484 01:34:39,090 --> 01:34:41,550 It's like a it's like five thousandths of a penny or 1485 01:34:41,550 --> 01:34:42,210 something like that. 1486 01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:44,940 Yeah, but it's but it doesn't matter at all. You know, it's 1487 01:34:44,970 --> 01:34:48,720 often just get more listeners than it'll be more. Yeah, and 1488 01:34:48,720 --> 01:34:52,650 it's a it's a beautiful cycle of life. And this is the value for 1489 01:34:52,650 --> 01:34:58,410 value model it works. I think it's going to be adopted by more 1490 01:34:59,070 --> 01:35:06,540 similar nascent industries as we move forward. It's a it's a 1491 01:35:06,540 --> 01:35:11,280 perfect place to really kickstart this micro payment 1492 01:35:11,310 --> 01:35:14,940 economy, particularly with all these splits that go down the 1493 01:35:14,940 --> 01:35:17,880 line. And now, you got me thinking now with this credits 1494 01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:22,110 tag and all of that, our entire project is value for value, 1495 01:35:22,380 --> 01:35:25,500 which means whatever value you're getting out of this 1496 01:35:25,500 --> 01:35:30,630 podcast or out of the index, the services, the apps, your hosting 1497 01:35:30,630 --> 01:35:34,890 company innovating and changing, if that's a value to you, and 1498 01:35:34,890 --> 01:35:37,950 you appreciate that, just give us some value back, we asked for 1499 01:35:37,950 --> 01:35:41,580 the three T's Dave mentioned at time, talent or treasure, and we 1500 01:35:41,580 --> 01:35:44,670 have people who have been pressing the big red Donate 1501 01:35:44,670 --> 01:35:54,090 button, on, on on podcast. I also have several 10,000. 1502 01:35:54,090 --> 01:35:58,950 Satoshi donations, but of course, I don't have any name 1503 01:35:58,950 --> 01:36:02,040 associated with them. But I see those coming in I think every 1504 01:36:02,040 --> 01:36:06,210 day someone's doing at 10. So that's $1 a day basically, which 1505 01:36:06,210 --> 01:36:11,160 seems to be coming in from the from our lightning link, which 1506 01:36:11,160 --> 01:36:12,960 is also is right under the donate button. 1507 01:36:13,200 --> 01:36:17,730 what's currently $1 is like 5500 satoshis Oh, 1508 01:36:17,730 --> 01:36:20,610 you're right. You're right. Yes. It was about a buck. 50 I guess. 1509 01:36:20,610 --> 01:36:26,910 Yeah. But actually today, right now, Bitcoin is 18,645. Since 1510 01:36:26,910 --> 01:36:30,330 we, since we started talking since we start implementing this 1511 01:36:30,330 --> 01:36:34,530 Bitcoin has jumped by 30%. Just because of podcast index. 1512 01:36:34,559 --> 01:36:35,699 Yes, it's 1513 01:36:35,700 --> 01:36:37,530 us. Yeah, absolutely. 1514 01:36:38,430 --> 01:36:42,030 Did you see the little thing? The bot in the Sphinx chat app? 1515 01:36:43,260 --> 01:36:45,060 slash BTC. Price? Yeah, 1516 01:36:45,090 --> 01:36:48,750 yeah. Then you get well, you do BTC SATs. And it'll tell you the 1517 01:36:48,780 --> 01:36:49,650 ratio sales 1518 01:36:49,650 --> 01:36:51,210 ratios. Yeah. That's, 1519 01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:53,880 like 5500 or something like that. 1520 01:36:54,330 --> 01:36:58,020 That went fast. It didn't move very fast. Well, 1521 01:36:58,410 --> 01:37:02,400 let me thanks. Some people. There's Michael Winget are 1522 01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:06,150 winging it. He did a $10 month subscription. 1523 01:37:06,179 --> 01:37:07,649 Great. Thank you, Michael. 1524 01:37:07,710 --> 01:37:08,220 Yeah, 1525 01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:12,060 and I can't subscriptions are fantastic. Because that that's 1526 01:37:12,060 --> 01:37:12,810 lifeline. 1527 01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:17,580 That's a lifeline. And it helped a lot this week. Specifically, 1528 01:37:17,580 --> 01:37:20,970 Thank you, Michael. Because there we had two other donations 1529 01:37:20,970 --> 01:37:25,920 that they got cancelled. So I appreciate Michael stepping up 1530 01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:28,830 and come into a monthly payment that really helps. I can't find 1531 01:37:28,830 --> 01:37:32,490 a note from from you, Michael. So if you need a note or 1532 01:37:32,490 --> 01:37:36,510 anything read on the air, just tell me and I can do that next 1533 01:37:36,510 --> 01:37:39,330 week. I get 1534 01:37:39,719 --> 01:37:41,009 just throw that on the ground. 1535 01:37:41,519 --> 01:37:42,299 Yeah. Okay. 1536 01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:45,540 That's a cool effect. You don't hear that anymore. These days. I 1537 01:37:45,540 --> 01:37:47,970 like that. I like the paper crumble. I'd like hearing it 1538 01:37:47,970 --> 01:37:49,740 drop on your floor. That's cool. 1539 01:37:49,980 --> 01:37:54,780 You should I'll just take a screenshot one of the camera one 1540 01:37:54,780 --> 01:37:57,930 of these days. I've got a an ethernet cable stretched halfway 1541 01:37:57,930 --> 01:37:59,550 across the living room. Just 1542 01:38:01,140 --> 01:38:05,550 far, my desk is finally done my my custom made podcast desk. 1543 01:38:05,850 --> 01:38:09,960 He sent me pictures and I love the love the guest thing where 1544 01:38:09,960 --> 01:38:12,450 you have the two mics set up on the other side of it. 1545 01:38:12,570 --> 01:38:15,660 Oh, yeah. And they got their own headphone volume. And I got a 1546 01:38:15,660 --> 01:38:20,730 little outlet and a phone charger USB charging port. And 1547 01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:23,700 oh, yeah. Oh, and my wires are all hidden away. I gotta do a 1548 01:38:23,700 --> 01:38:27,390 video of this thing. It's so badass. It's so beautiful. So 1549 01:38:27,390 --> 01:38:27,870 happy. 1550 01:38:28,020 --> 01:38:30,900 Everything that yours is mine is not. 1551 01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:35,550 Right. Exactly. Exactly. But I've been in many many closets 1552 01:38:35,550 --> 01:38:39,300 Dave. I graduated from the closet to the from the clue do 1553 01:38:39,300 --> 01:38:43,560 to this place. So that was that was part of Tina and I we bought 1554 01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:45,870 this house. It's like I gotta have a studio. Now. I want to 1555 01:38:45,870 --> 01:38:49,620 have real studio and I want to spend some money on it. So you 1556 01:38:49,620 --> 01:38:51,450 know, it took me six months for this desk. 1557 01:38:55,110 --> 01:39:00,150 gilera Guillermo Del gustan he spent some money on us. 1558 01:39:01,260 --> 01:39:01,800 All right, 1559 01:39:01,830 --> 01:39:04,380 thanks for the thanks for the work you were doing for 1560 01:39:04,380 --> 01:39:07,740 podcasting in general, keep podcasting that keep podcasting 1561 01:39:07,740 --> 01:39:13,290 as a platform of free speech is a noble mission. And gilera on 1562 01:39:13,650 --> 01:39:16,470 purpose. I'm saying that right, Gil Armadale Gustin, he's great. 1563 01:39:16,470 --> 01:39:20,310 By the way, he's been super helpful. He's been all over the 1564 01:39:20,310 --> 01:39:24,390 GitHub, all over podcasts indexed us social. He's just, 1565 01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:27,930 he's just invested. And he's, he's he's helping out a ton 1566 01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:31,590 and how much how much did he send in $20. Thank you very 1567 01:39:31,590 --> 01:39:35,700 much, Guillermo. By the way, the desk is not coming out the 1568 01:39:35,700 --> 01:39:38,700 podcast index. Neither Dave or I take any money out of this? 1569 01:39:38,790 --> 01:39:42,060 No. That was just enough to pay the bill. 1570 01:39:42,750 --> 01:39:46,770 That's my podcasting money that I spent this on. So nothing to 1571 01:39:46,770 --> 01:39:49,770 do with the index. Appreciate that. And so he's given us time, 1572 01:39:49,770 --> 01:39:51,150 talent and treasure. That's great. 1573 01:39:51,210 --> 01:39:53,340 Yeah, he's the developer. He says I'm the developer, 1574 01:39:53,370 --> 01:39:56,640 developer of pod station, and open source aggregator packaged 1575 01:39:56,640 --> 01:39:59,460 as a browser extension currently integrated with podcast index 1576 01:39:59,460 --> 01:40:03,450 search. I hope to be able to collaborate more with your 1577 01:40:03,450 --> 01:40:06,450 project and the podcast ecosystem as a whole in the 1578 01:40:06,450 --> 01:40:06,900 future. 1579 01:40:07,589 --> 01:40:11,159 I'm looking at them now. pod pod station. Is it pod station? 1580 01:40:13,080 --> 01:40:15,480 Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Bus Station earlier, Matt 1581 01:40:15,510 --> 01:40:22,980 della goostin. Oh, okay. This is interesting. It's a Chrome 1582 01:40:22,980 --> 01:40:26,010 extension. Nice. Really? Yeah. 1583 01:40:26,040 --> 01:40:28,500 I haven't checked it out. I thought it was a website. 1584 01:40:29,340 --> 01:40:32,370 No, it's here add to chrome. You know, just do it. Why the hell 1585 01:40:32,370 --> 01:40:36,600 not add to chrome? Is it now done? Checking doo doo doo 1586 01:40:37,020 --> 01:40:43,680 implemented? Oh, let me see. So now if I do podcasting 2.0 if 1587 01:40:43,680 --> 01:40:46,800 he's because that is not listed on Apple and boom, it pops up 1588 01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:49,410 immediately. Yeah. Wow. 1589 01:40:50,250 --> 01:40:52,740 That's very cool. Oh, nice. 1590 01:40:52,919 --> 01:40:56,669 Oh, my goodness. That is fast as stuff. 1591 01:40:57,629 --> 01:40:58,169 Let me 1592 01:40:58,889 --> 01:41:05,219 Oh, I like that. Does he have a player in here? Episode 11. 1593 01:41:06,119 --> 01:41:09,959 Yeah, puts it right into a player. Holy crap. That was 1594 01:41:09,959 --> 01:41:19,019 fast. That's Yeah, there you go. Man, that thing is smoking fast. 1595 01:41:19,019 --> 01:41:21,509 Well, is it a testament to you, sir? 1596 01:41:22,049 --> 01:41:22,559 To me? 1597 01:41:22,590 --> 01:41:25,650 Yes. It's it's doing it's doing an index search? 1598 01:41:26,070 --> 01:41:31,260 Oh, well, I'll take it. I'll get Look, I'll give a little bit 1599 01:41:31,260 --> 01:41:31,710 credit. 1600 01:41:32,400 --> 01:41:34,950 Now, but how do I how do I access this? I mean, now it's an 1601 01:41:34,950 --> 01:41:37,110 extension. But what does it do as an extension? 1602 01:41:37,980 --> 01:41:42,450 Oh, yes. Yeah. I just got it on my Chrome to podcasting. 1603 01:41:42,540 --> 01:41:47,040 Oh, my God. So it has the it has has the fund fast. Like grant 1604 01:41:47,040 --> 01:41:51,420 funding funding is in there. The fun tag is picking that up. Yep. 1605 01:41:51,690 --> 01:41:54,750 That works. Holy crap. Oh, yeah. They 1606 01:41:54,750 --> 01:41:58,770 see the funding tag. Yeah. Oh, that's right. Yes. Okay. Yeah, I 1607 01:41:58,770 --> 01:42:03,210 knew because he I saw him post a screenshot the other day. Yeah, 1608 01:42:03,210 --> 01:42:07,590 yeah. Okay, I remember this now. And marked it so I could go back 1609 01:42:07,590 --> 01:42:08,130 and look, but 1610 01:42:08,129 --> 01:42:15,089 how do you? I mean, how does it How does the How does the the 1611 01:42:15,119 --> 01:42:18,299 Chrome extension work? I mean, how do you get to it? I'm not 1612 01:42:18,299 --> 01:42:19,379 quite sure I understand. 1613 01:42:19,769 --> 01:42:23,729 Man. Put a man put a thing up at the top. But you know, they 1614 01:42:23,729 --> 01:42:25,859 changed that in Chrome wearers. Oh, 1615 01:42:26,550 --> 01:42:28,920 I see it. There you go. Oh, yeah, it's right up there at the 1616 01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:32,670 top. Oh, my goodness. You got to pin it. Yeah. Oh, that's pretty. 1617 01:42:33,540 --> 01:42:33,840 Yeah, it's 1618 01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:34,800 pretty nice. Holy 1619 01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:39,390 crap. Adam. Fast, fast. 1620 01:42:39,750 --> 01:42:43,200 Gs. says add a speed going 1621 01:42:43,200 --> 01:42:45,090 on with this speed people. 1622 01:42:46,530 --> 01:42:49,710 I wonder how I wonder if he supports adding back to the 1623 01:42:49,710 --> 01:42:54,030 index? Because I hope he does. And he asked him about that. 1624 01:42:54,240 --> 01:42:57,030 Because I would like I would like to have more apps pay. 1625 01:42:57,390 --> 01:43:03,300 Adding Miss admitting back, huh? Okay. David, sorry. 1626 01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:05,820 I was just blown away by that. I'm sorry. 1627 01:43:06,030 --> 01:43:07,500 You're all sorry. I 1628 01:43:07,500 --> 01:43:09,690 know. I am. starry eyed. 1629 01:43:10,230 --> 01:43:16,140 Exactly. David Metis gave us $50 donation. Oh, wow. Nice. Thank 1630 01:43:16,140 --> 01:43:18,630 you for doing your part to protect podcasting his platform 1631 01:43:18,630 --> 01:43:20,730 for free for free speech. Oh, thank 1632 01:43:20,730 --> 01:43:21,750 you for doing yours. 1633 01:43:22,050 --> 01:43:28,110 Thank you, David. Appreciate it. See, Oh, we got another $50 1634 01:43:28,110 --> 01:43:37,680 donation from Damon. Static and and he says he just says thanks 1635 01:43:37,680 --> 01:43:41,010 for your efforts, keep podcasting open. Do very short 1636 01:43:41,010 --> 01:43:45,930 notes and $50 donations each Thank you very much. Yes, thank 1637 01:43:45,930 --> 01:43:52,680 you Damon. I wonder where Damon is from Chris k. s A CJ AK is 1638 01:43:52,680 --> 01:43:59,730 his last name. Let me know where you're from. And let me know 1639 01:43:59,730 --> 01:44:01,950 that let me know how much I'm not 1640 01:44:01,950 --> 01:44:03,360 bad. Nick Butcher did yeah. 1641 01:44:05,010 --> 01:44:10,020 Bob Diggins today gave he donated $10 All right, thank 1642 01:44:10,020 --> 01:44:16,980 you. I don't see a note from Bob. And so if you have a note, 1643 01:44:17,100 --> 01:44:21,390 let me know Bob and I'll read it. Thank you very much. And we 1644 01:44:21,390 --> 01:44:24,570 also had a $5 donation from Pat deery. 1645 01:44:26,010 --> 01:44:27,510 Name that sounds familiar. 1646 01:44:28,200 --> 01:44:37,920 d e. ROI. And it's Pat at Well, I'm not gonna say that but it's 1647 01:44:37,950 --> 01:44:41,820 it looks like patent maybe candy Navy. 1648 01:44:44,100 --> 01:44:46,380 is really not candy navion 1649 01:44:46,590 --> 01:44:54,420 Yeah. It looks like Pat maybe it Canadian. Pat, thank you for $5 1650 01:44:54,750 --> 01:44:57,450 really appreciate it and I could not find a note from Pat. So if 1651 01:44:57,450 --> 01:45:02,640 you if you have some for a note Let me know. But that's our 1652 01:45:03,060 --> 01:45:04,020 that's our donors this week. 1653 01:45:04,050 --> 01:45:09,930 Yes. And whoever sent us to 100 sat payments today. And 1654 01:45:10,500 --> 01:45:14,430 basically whoever's doing 10,000 a day, thank you very much. It's 1655 01:45:14,430 --> 01:45:15,540 coming in on the node. 1656 01:45:16,470 --> 01:45:18,240 We see it if you want credit, tell us, 1657 01:45:18,630 --> 01:45:21,930 I have to get into a log. Otherwise, I could give the 1658 01:45:22,110 --> 01:45:26,970 thank them for the transaction ID or something like that. Thank 1659 01:45:26,970 --> 01:45:32,670 you by ID by node number. This is very, very much appreciated. 1660 01:45:32,670 --> 01:45:37,470 Thank you to everyone who's supporting this. We, it's so 1661 01:45:37,470 --> 01:45:40,680 appreciated, because it keeps it running. It keeps the servers 1662 01:45:40,680 --> 01:45:43,890 running. How many do we have running now at this point? You 1663 01:45:43,890 --> 01:45:45,060 must have in the 20s. 1664 01:45:48,990 --> 01:45:54,270 And we get a lot. It's almost 20. 1665 01:45:54,780 --> 01:45:57,960 I love it. I love that screenshot. You sent me a week 1666 01:45:57,960 --> 01:46:01,650 ago or so. of your, your, your command station. 1667 01:46:02,460 --> 01:46:05,130 Oh, oh, yeah. The 57 monitors. 1668 01:46:05,220 --> 01:46:09,450 Yeah, that's cool. That's like, that's the man behind the 1669 01:46:09,450 --> 01:46:12,840 curtain. That's how it's run. I always wondered why it works. 1670 01:46:12,870 --> 01:46:13,320 Okay. 1671 01:46:13,620 --> 01:46:17,880 I think we have 18 servers right now. I'm not. I can't I don't 1672 01:46:17,880 --> 01:46:20,220 have my phone with me. So I can't get into two factor. But I 1673 01:46:20,220 --> 01:46:21,450 think I think we have 18 1674 01:46:21,720 --> 01:46:26,310 which reminds me the podcast images.com. House was Mike, who 1675 01:46:26,310 --> 01:46:28,080 was working on Mike Kelly. Oh, 1676 01:46:28,110 --> 01:46:34,920 yeah. Mike's he's gone off the grid. So I think he must be busy 1677 01:46:34,920 --> 01:46:38,370 with work. He, he I think he he tends to go offline and come 1678 01:46:38,370 --> 01:46:40,230 back from time to time. 1679 01:46:40,230 --> 01:46:44,280 So he said, how were apps doing images now? Are they using 1680 01:46:44,310 --> 01:46:46,770 iTunes? Or how are they doing the image nuts, 1681 01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:49,080 they're still just doing a straight up like digital 1682 01:46:49,080 --> 01:46:54,390 proxying through their own back end? Like so like pod friend? It 1683 01:46:54,390 --> 01:46:57,480 has, you know, it has a server that backs Okay, using that? 1684 01:46:57,480 --> 01:46:59,580 Yeah, yeah, I think that's the way they're getting around it 1685 01:46:59,580 --> 01:47:04,290 for the time being. But, um, but I'm sure Mike will come out of 1686 01:47:04,590 --> 01:47:05,580 he'll come out topic. 1687 01:47:05,880 --> 01:47:08,430 Because for something like that, just for Mike or anyone else 1688 01:47:08,430 --> 01:47:12,750 who's interested in this just moving forward. Lightning 1689 01:47:12,750 --> 01:47:18,120 protocol has something called l SAT, which is basically a way to 1690 01:47:18,330 --> 01:47:25,620 charge for API access at a micro micro micro payment level, then 1691 01:47:25,620 --> 01:47:28,650 it will be a part of the same infrastructure. And it's 1692 01:47:28,650 --> 01:47:32,700 something that I mean, the days of free are over, nothing can 1693 01:47:32,700 --> 01:47:37,350 just be free anymore. Without advertising or data harvesting 1694 01:47:37,350 --> 01:47:41,700 and selling. So be on the lookout for those things to get 1695 01:47:41,700 --> 01:47:45,060 more prominence in our world as well, as people start to 1696 01:47:45,060 --> 01:47:51,660 understand how a real like, you know, charging someone $100 a 1697 01:47:51,660 --> 01:47:55,740 month for API access could be pretty extreme compared to what 1698 01:47:55,740 --> 01:47:59,040 they're really using or what the value really is. So 1699 01:47:59,490 --> 01:48:02,940 well, that's why David Norman, from hyper kosher switched to 1700 01:48:02,940 --> 01:48:07,230 using using us was just because he couldn't, he couldn't afford 1701 01:48:07,260 --> 01:48:10,320 the hundred dollar a month for listen nose. So he switched over 1702 01:48:10,320 --> 01:48:10,950 to using us 1703 01:48:10,980 --> 01:48:12,840 he was using them before I didn't realize 1704 01:48:12,900 --> 01:48:15,720 he was he was using them for on a test level. And then his dad 1705 01:48:15,750 --> 01:48:20,040 had to start paying when he when he put his app in the App Store. 1706 01:48:20,040 --> 01:48:24,450 And, you know, he just he couldn't afford it. You know, 1707 01:48:24,450 --> 01:48:27,210 and that, and that's fine. That's always the drawback of 1708 01:48:27,900 --> 01:48:33,270 pay per use is pay per use can get annoying, when you don't 1709 01:48:33,270 --> 01:48:36,990 know how much use you're going to have. But it does always have 1710 01:48:36,990 --> 01:48:41,400 it on the low end, it always does have the benefit of you're 1711 01:48:41,400 --> 01:48:44,580 not, you're not paying for something that you're not using. 1712 01:48:45,060 --> 01:48:48,240 Right. And that can really mean the difference between being 1713 01:48:48,240 --> 01:48:52,530 able to launch a product and not being able to write so i think 1714 01:48:52,530 --> 01:48:55,710 you know, I think that I think they'll set stuff. I don't even 1715 01:48:55,710 --> 01:48:58,770 know anything about it yet. But from everything that you that 1716 01:48:58,770 --> 01:49:02,190 you've heard and and I've heard through through those Bitcoin 1717 01:49:02,190 --> 01:49:05,400 guys, it's going to be a really big deal. Yeah. 1718 01:49:06,030 --> 01:49:11,070 And then finally, and thank you comic strip blogger, he raised 1719 01:49:11,070 --> 01:49:17,880 his hand, we desperately need this page. That is right front 1720 01:49:17,880 --> 01:49:22,680 and center. From the podcast index landing page. I actually 1721 01:49:22,680 --> 01:49:27,510 registered new podcast apps.com Hello marketing. which I'd like 1722 01:49:27,510 --> 01:49:29,130 to point to that page right now. It 1723 01:49:29,130 --> 01:49:31,410 points to the fact that you are Tina. 1724 01:49:32,130 --> 01:49:34,020 That was Adam, thank you very much. 1725 01:49:34,200 --> 01:49:34,590 Okay. 1726 01:49:36,420 --> 01:49:39,180 I'm just calling you. I'm the domain name guy. Man. I'm the 1727 01:49:39,180 --> 01:49:43,260 one on the couch. Go like dark winter.com Ah, shit too late. 1728 01:49:44,100 --> 01:49:47,430 How many? How many domains Do you own? 1729 01:49:48,630 --> 01:49:51,540 Okay, I will tell you just take a look. It's a frightening 1730 01:49:51,540 --> 01:49:52,080 number. 1731 01:49:52,440 --> 01:49:53,130 Is it really? 1732 01:49:56,190 --> 01:49:58,860 Oh, it's not that bad. But 250 1733 01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:03,570 He leaves. Yeah, a lot of domains. 1734 01:50:04,530 --> 01:50:11,100 Yeah, it is. But, you know, from time to time be like key. Oh, 1735 01:50:11,100 --> 01:50:13,620 let me see if I don't have something like that. And oh, 1736 01:50:13,620 --> 01:50:18,570 yeah, I got this. So new podcast apps calm, I think is something 1737 01:50:18,570 --> 01:50:23,280 that I'd like to point hundreds of thousands of people at. So 1738 01:50:23,310 --> 01:50:25,470 but I'm not going to point them to a GitHub page. 1739 01:50:28,110 --> 01:50:28,650 Pretty 1740 01:50:28,710 --> 01:50:32,850 so I but I want the fruits of our labor and I want to be able 1741 01:50:32,850 --> 01:50:35,760 to promote it, I want to be able to promote every app, but I want 1742 01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:38,880 the page to be pretty and I want everyone to logo and I want the 1743 01:50:38,880 --> 01:50:43,830 hosting companies. And I want to, you know, the, the, the 1744 01:50:43,830 --> 01:50:46,980 transcription companies, I want everything on that page, nicely 1745 01:50:46,980 --> 01:50:50,430 categorized, and we can show this is podcasting. 2.0. 1746 01:50:50,430 --> 01:50:54,090 Otherwise, we're just, you know, just floating around in a little 1747 01:50:54,090 --> 01:50:56,280 bubble. So this is the 1748 01:50:56,280 --> 01:50:59,730 part that this is why I'm here. So don't don't make me learn 1749 01:50:59,730 --> 01:51:00,570 react, people. 1750 01:51:01,170 --> 01:51:02,640 Don't make me learn anything. 1751 01:51:04,770 --> 01:51:06,210 It's not gonna end up well. 1752 01:51:07,620 --> 01:51:12,030 So I know comics for bloggers diving in this weekend, he may 1753 01:51:12,030 --> 01:51:15,120 need some help. So whatever we can do, and this page needs to 1754 01:51:15,120 --> 01:51:18,420 be maintained, because it grows. And this is where we're gonna 1755 01:51:18,420 --> 01:51:21,930 showcase all of our stuff. And it's where I want to send people 1756 01:51:21,930 --> 01:51:26,220 and they can go Oh, I I I'd love to have chapters or transcripts. 1757 01:51:26,220 --> 01:51:29,400 And I could do it with this hosting company. And I can get 1758 01:51:29,400 --> 01:51:32,760 this transcription from there. And if someone wants to 1759 01:51:32,760 --> 01:51:37,140 providing and community chapters as a service, it should be 1760 01:51:37,140 --> 01:51:39,930 there. All of this stuff. All of this should be on this page. 1761 01:51:40,170 --> 01:51:43,380 Beautiful layout, it should just look pretty as pretty as the 1762 01:51:43,380 --> 01:51:47,700 rest of the website. So that's my plea. For more talent in 1763 01:51:47,700 --> 01:51:50,430 time. It's something I'm just not capable of. I don't have the 1764 01:51:50,430 --> 01:51:56,130 skills. I'm very good at hacking up a page and pointing a domain 1765 01:51:56,130 --> 01:51:59,070 to it. That's about right and brand breaking. Breaking 1766 01:51:59,070 --> 01:52:04,110 podcast. Yeah, I break podcast as for breakfast brother. I do. 1767 01:52:05,130 --> 01:52:06,570 Broke three before 9am 1768 01:52:07,500 --> 01:52:09,120 that was just waiting on a train. 1769 01:52:11,460 --> 01:52:13,830 It's a long show, man. We got it. We got it. Yeah, this one 1770 01:52:13,830 --> 01:52:14,190 Anything 1771 01:52:14,190 --> 01:52:17,370 else? Anything I can do for you specifically? 1772 01:52:17,910 --> 01:52:25,650 No, no, no. I'm good. I'm, I feel I'm like 90% good. And I'm 1773 01:52:25,650 --> 01:52:27,300 kicking him kicking the COVID 1774 01:52:27,330 --> 01:52:30,990 Yeah, that was a tough one. I was just a real can bring you 1775 01:52:30,990 --> 01:52:32,130 down It's no joke. 1776 01:52:32,610 --> 01:52:35,910 Yeah, yeah, I'm but I'm good man. I'm back. I'm like, I'm 1777 01:52:35,910 --> 01:52:37,590 like back almost full power. 1778 01:52:37,620 --> 01:52:40,950 Good. super happy your your health. Is there, man. For sure. 1779 01:52:40,980 --> 01:52:44,190 Yeah. I was like, Oh, man. Don't Don't make me learn node. 1780 01:52:46,020 --> 01:52:48,270 Don't die. Please don't die. Me, Dave. 1781 01:52:48,300 --> 01:52:52,260 It's too many forms to fill out. All right, buddy. Thank you very 1782 01:52:52,260 --> 01:52:55,830 much. Again, and we'll be talking again next week. That's 1783 01:52:56,940 --> 01:53:00,450 podcasting. 2.0. It's the podcast where we tell you all 1784 01:53:00,450 --> 01:53:04,350 about the future podcast. We'll be back next week. See you then.