1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,780 Oh, podcasting 2.0 for September 9 2022, episode 101 loops not 2 00:00:06,780 --> 00:00:11,850 less hello everybody welcome to the weekly board meeting is the 3 00:00:11,850 --> 00:00:14,280 only one you need to attend in your life. It is the one for 4 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:18,060 podcasting 2.0 everything that's going on in podcast index.org 5 00:00:18,060 --> 00:00:22,530 with a namespace with the industry. And of course all the 6 00:00:22,530 --> 00:00:26,850 trash we talk, podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry here in 7 00:00:26,850 --> 00:00:29,820 the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the man 8 00:00:29,820 --> 00:00:32,880 most likely to receive the first knighthood from the new King. 9 00:00:33,090 --> 00:00:35,340 Say hello to my friend on the other end, ladies and gentlemen, 10 00:00:35,340 --> 00:00:37,920 Mr. De Jones. 11 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,990 Yeah, guess what I'm doing as we speak. 12 00:00:43,740 --> 00:00:45,750 I don't know some royal duties. 13 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:52,620 Not royal duties. I'm like, I'm always I'm tweeting the or 14 00:00:52,620 --> 00:00:55,890 tooting the Oh, you're tuning the show the show you have to 15 00:00:55,890 --> 00:01:01,350 show. Did you know? Did you know? I just found this out like 16 00:01:01,350 --> 00:01:06,120 yesterday. Do you know how shut when somebody talks about a 17 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:10,140 shotgun is like 12 gauge 10 gauge 16 gauge? Do you know what 18 00:01:10,170 --> 00:01:13,470 the how they determine that what the gauge means? 19 00:01:15,780 --> 00:01:22,320 I only know 12 and 20. And I know 20 is smaller. So no. Is 20 00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:26,910 it? Oh wait. Is it by the size of the ear you can shoot a hole 21 00:01:26,910 --> 00:01:29,820 through for one of those hip looking big rings. 22 00:01:32,070 --> 00:01:39,390 Know it is it is oh. So there's there's 1012 1620 gauge. I'm 23 00:01:39,390 --> 00:01:41,580 sure there's a few more. But those are the ones that are the 24 00:01:41,580 --> 00:01:45,540 most common. I've been using this terminology my whole life I 25 00:01:45,540 --> 00:01:50,460 didn't I never realized what that means. So the way you 26 00:01:50,460 --> 00:01:56,970 determine the gauge of a shotgun is that number means how many 27 00:01:56,970 --> 00:02:02,640 lead balls of the diameter of the barrel? It takes to make one 28 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:09,930 pound. No way. Yeah, so 10 gauge shotgun is tin, tin lead balls 29 00:02:09,930 --> 00:02:13,620 of that size. Barrel diameter. Yeah, we'll make a pound 30 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:17,790 ha yeah, that makes sense. Why a 20 gauge is smaller than a 12. 31 00:02:17,850 --> 00:02:18,780 Oh, interesting. 32 00:02:19,290 --> 00:02:23,370 Yeah. And for 10 So I've got I've got a double barrel 14 and 33 00:02:23,700 --> 00:02:28,020 the 14 is not a gauge. That's a caliber. So that's yeah, wholly 34 00:02:28,020 --> 00:02:28,440 different. 35 00:02:28,470 --> 00:02:33,390 Yeah, my the judge can shoot those. It'll do. It'll go both 36 00:02:33,390 --> 00:02:36,480 ways. Right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Just Well, I gave it to Rogen as 37 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,790 a Welcome to Texas gift that was given to me when I came to 38 00:02:38,790 --> 00:02:42,000 Texas, so I forgot. Give it to Joe. And he just gets passed 39 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,940 around. New arrivals. Yeah, it's like, like those chicks with a 40 00:02:44,940 --> 00:02:48,990 blue jeans. Only we do it with a gun. Okay. Of course, that 41 00:02:48,990 --> 00:02:53,580 movie. The secret society of the paddling, paint traveling fans. 42 00:02:53,580 --> 00:02:58,080 Yes, exactly. Hey, I got my first my first pod verse alert 43 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:02,010 today of live for the live Yeah, I'm very excited. And this is 44 00:03:02,010 --> 00:03:07,770 because I got a new phone and I loaded graphene OS onto it. And, 45 00:03:08,100 --> 00:03:11,010 you know, I was using a pixel for for, I don't know, years and 46 00:03:11,010 --> 00:03:14,220 years with graphene OS thing goes on forever. And so fine. 47 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,760 Love the size, love everything about it battery stays, you 48 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:22,080 know, still good. What phone did you get? Well, you're pretty 49 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,140 restricted with graphene OS. And so the reason why I got it is 50 00:03:26,910 --> 00:03:29,640 that I felt it was time to clean up, you know, it's like, okay, 51 00:03:29,640 --> 00:03:32,610 now I really know how graphene is functions, I'd like to kind 52 00:03:32,610 --> 00:03:36,450 of start over again, and the selfie camera had started 53 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,230 getting, you know, got cloudy. So if I did a call with my 54 00:03:40,230 --> 00:03:42,810 daughter, she's like, dad take the filter off. And like that's 55 00:03:42,810 --> 00:03:49,080 not filter. So I asked, our guy had no agenda phone.com Who does 56 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,960 this as a service. But he also has very detailed instructions 57 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,140 how to do it yourself as I'll do it myself. But he said, you 58 00:03:55,140 --> 00:03:58,380 know, get a pixel six A, which I'm generally very happy with. 59 00:03:58,380 --> 00:04:01,410 But it's bigger than I really I really like it's a little 60 00:04:01,410 --> 00:04:01,890 bigger. 61 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,980 I don't like a big phone. I've got the iPhone Mini. 62 00:04:05,490 --> 00:04:09,990 Yeah. I prefer that. And you know, and I don't like cases, 63 00:04:09,990 --> 00:04:11,790 but I really need to put something around this because 64 00:04:11,790 --> 00:04:15,600 very vulnerable. It looks feels vulnerable. Yeah. Anyway, it's a 65 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,990 solid device. And it was that was actually quite an 66 00:04:18,990 --> 00:04:22,800 interesting, I finally figured out how to use the sandbox 67 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:27,030 Google stuff. And so you know, if you can download something 68 00:04:27,030 --> 00:04:30,030 from the Play Store and run it in its own little sandbox, which 69 00:04:30,060 --> 00:04:33,720 you know, really locks out all of your other system. It can't 70 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,650 talk to apps outside of that it can't, you know, you can really 71 00:04:37,650 --> 00:04:41,790 determine if it gets any geolocation data. And so you can 72 00:04:41,790 --> 00:04:45,930 also determine, hey, let this app pass on an alert. 73 00:04:46,919 --> 00:04:49,649 So this is the what you're talking about is that thing 74 00:04:49,649 --> 00:04:52,979 where it like proxies it logs into the store for you with some 75 00:04:52,979 --> 00:04:53,789 other account? No, 76 00:04:53,790 --> 00:04:57,480 no, no, this is the you literally log in with an 77 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,300 existing Google account except when you load the apple onto 78 00:05:00,300 --> 00:05:03,180 your phone. Now, of course, whatever you're doing, you know, 79 00:05:03,210 --> 00:05:05,940 Google knows what you're doing, obviously. So you got to choose 80 00:05:05,940 --> 00:05:11,040 wisely. But the app itself runs in a sandbox that is separate 81 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,580 from the rest of the phone. So it can't be talking to other 82 00:05:14,580 --> 00:05:17,190 apps and getting all kinds of sensor data without your 83 00:05:17,190 --> 00:05:21,450 explicit permission on all of these things. If it's very 84 00:05:21,450 --> 00:05:22,110 granular 85 00:05:22,650 --> 00:05:25,560 into that in that kit, I'm assuming that that kills it in 86 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,870 the background. So that is not just resident all the time 87 00:05:27,870 --> 00:05:30,780 tracking you and that kind of thing? No, the apps the Play 88 00:05:30,780 --> 00:05:32,070 Store? No, I 89 00:05:32,070 --> 00:05:35,850 mean, you have no, it's a graphing OS app, which is this 90 00:05:35,850 --> 00:05:41,130 sandbox, place store and Play services. So you can still use 91 00:05:41,130 --> 00:05:44,430 them. I mean, obviously, please, no need to email me. 92 00:05:46,110 --> 00:05:47,820 Advice, you need lots of advice. 93 00:05:49,140 --> 00:05:51,900 But then the thing that got me was tails scale, all of a sudden 94 00:05:51,900 --> 00:05:54,510 didn't work. And then I realized, oh, man, I'm really 95 00:05:54,510 --> 00:05:58,410 reliant on tail scale in my life. This thing, can't live 96 00:05:58,410 --> 00:06:02,490 without it. Ah, I mean, just to get to my, um, roles, I have a 97 00:06:02,490 --> 00:06:07,950 saved a web application, like a web page. And so just boom, you 98 00:06:07,950 --> 00:06:10,620 get into your Bumble right away, or even heli pad with a 99 00:06:10,620 --> 00:06:13,770 shortcut. I mean, all this stuff is great. And then oh, man, cuz 100 00:06:13,770 --> 00:06:17,280 I have a domain name mapped to it. So I don't have to I don't 101 00:06:17,280 --> 00:06:22,440 have to remember, IP addresses. Could you just put in the in the 102 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,830 a record, even though it resolves to, you know, whatever 103 00:06:25,830 --> 00:06:27,120 private address it is, 104 00:06:27,510 --> 00:06:30,720 it's a use case for that stuff is strong, too, because they 105 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:36,240 have, like incredible access control lists, and stuff. Oh, 106 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,820 man, I was reading to the documentation for it the other 107 00:06:38,820 --> 00:06:45,480 day. And I mean, you can just create entire, you know, network 108 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,430 Virtual Private, private networks. Yeah. 109 00:06:47,490 --> 00:06:51,690 With SSL, SSL certs, even if you want to go one step further. 110 00:06:52,229 --> 00:06:56,039 Yeah, yeah. In DNS, you know, like proxy DNS. And 111 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,460 that was the thing that I had a problem with. It wasn't doing 112 00:06:59,460 --> 00:07:03,060 the proxy DNS on the phone anymore. And it's apparently 113 00:07:03,060 --> 00:07:07,650 something the way that here's what I even though it should, it 114 00:07:07,650 --> 00:07:13,890 should work without that, by default. The Android 13 I guess 115 00:07:13,890 --> 00:07:19,740 it is d VPN, system, whatever that is subsystem, that sound 116 00:07:19,740 --> 00:07:24,450 cool subsystem, SFC. VPN subsystem decides to 117 00:07:24,450 --> 00:07:28,080 automatically block all traffic that is not going through the 118 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:33,420 VPN. Okay, so since this is since tail scale is not a 119 00:07:33,420 --> 00:07:39,300 tunnel. I mean, you're not tunneling somewhere for all the 120 00:07:39,300 --> 00:07:43,920 other IP addresses you really only using it to, to get to your 121 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:48,810 private networks. Right? It blocks everything else. 122 00:07:50,250 --> 00:07:52,770 Because because that's the difference between total scale 123 00:07:52,770 --> 00:07:57,360 and something like a VPN is that the VPN? Or to do a VPN 124 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,850 properly, you tunnel everything, every packet. 125 00:08:00,060 --> 00:08:03,300 You can you can with tail scale, you can use one of your 126 00:08:03,330 --> 00:08:05,880 computers as an exit. No, though. No, it's not the 127 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,420 default. No, no. So I just couldn't figure it out. And it 128 00:08:09,420 --> 00:08:12,780 was of course it was DNS, you know. And so once I flipped that 129 00:08:12,780 --> 00:08:16,440 off, oh, okay, now it all works again. That was one of those 130 00:08:16,710 --> 00:08:18,000 showstopper moments. 131 00:08:18,239 --> 00:08:19,109 It's always DNS. 132 00:08:20,220 --> 00:08:24,990 That's exactly what's going to always DNS. And then I'm so 133 00:08:25,020 --> 00:08:31,980 jazzed that this Saturn thing came out which connects you to 134 00:08:31,980 --> 00:08:32,940 the Alby wallet. 135 00:08:34,890 --> 00:08:37,380 Have you so have you played with it? I have no idea. So 136 00:08:37,380 --> 00:08:42,180 I, I hooked it up this morning. And I put the I put an 137 00:08:42,180 --> 00:08:47,160 additional 1% into the pot, only the podcasting 2.0 block, value 138 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:51,660 block and nothing was happening. Nothing. And all of a sudden, in 139 00:08:51,660 --> 00:08:54,540 the last 14 minutes, it's starting to work. I have a 140 00:08:54,570 --> 00:09:03,480 blueberry with 169 SATs Chad f. Let me see now. Let me see. Do I 141 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,540 have anything? So yeah, it's showing the episodes now this 142 00:09:06,540 --> 00:09:12,900 thing is very cool. And I can't wait to have enough data in 143 00:09:12,900 --> 00:09:15,930 here. Just look at the charts. I mean, this blew me away. And is 144 00:09:15,930 --> 00:09:19,590 this the the lb guys themselves? Or is this partners they're 145 00:09:19,590 --> 00:09:20,280 working with? 146 00:09:20,969 --> 00:09:24,419 God knows. That's them. I think that me I'm sure it's them. This 147 00:09:24,419 --> 00:09:29,609 is mind boggling. So what is let me look at our value block here 148 00:09:29,609 --> 00:09:32,129 because we're getting your balls getting heavy. 149 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:38,520 Well, okay, let me tell you this. I, I see. I see successful 150 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:42,120 payments in different apps, but it doesn't come through. 151 00:09:43,710 --> 00:09:46,680 Okay, and I said we I think we need to pare this down a bit. 152 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:51,510 Because there's too many splits causing problems. Yeah, you get 153 00:09:51,510 --> 00:09:55,080 1234567 splits. 154 00:09:55,710 --> 00:09:57,780 I've seen 10 Go no problems. 155 00:09:59,100 --> 00:10:03,510 It's just so sad. Low though. Like I don't need, you can take 156 00:10:03,540 --> 00:10:06,450 the you can take my stay safe note off, I don't need I don't 157 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,510 if we're going to do, I would say, do you take me off? They 158 00:10:09,510 --> 00:10:11,910 just replace me with Saturn that way we can both see it. 159 00:10:11,939 --> 00:10:16,439 But do you think that? Do you think that this is the problem? 160 00:10:18,089 --> 00:10:21,179 I mean, I don't know what routing is, I have no idea. I 161 00:10:21,179 --> 00:10:25,049 mean, before we, I mean, if, if seven splits in the block is a 162 00:10:25,049 --> 00:10:28,409 problem, that's something we need to address and just taking 163 00:10:28,409 --> 00:10:30,539 shit out, I don't think is the way to address him. 164 00:10:30,660 --> 00:10:33,660 I'm not really, I wasn't trying to be technical, I really was 165 00:10:33,660 --> 00:10:37,770 just thinking of it more like a from a troubleshooting 166 00:10:37,770 --> 00:10:43,350 standpoint, where you pare things down. Okay. Well, there's 167 00:10:43,350 --> 00:10:44,880 two things that, you know, there's like, there's that 168 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,820 aspect of it. And then there's also the fact that you have 169 00:10:47,820 --> 00:10:51,840 seven fees. You know, I mean, there's routing fees for every 170 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,990 one of these. Yeah, so you don't miss that's not good, either. 171 00:10:56,820 --> 00:11:00,570 Because we can't really especially like, like boost bot, 172 00:11:01,290 --> 00:11:09,030 or, or me, the my or my node. I don't know where that route is 173 00:11:09,030 --> 00:11:12,180 gonna go. It may go through something that's got higher fees 174 00:11:12,180 --> 00:11:13,500 than we would lie. Sure. 175 00:11:13,530 --> 00:11:14,850 Sure. That's a good point. 176 00:11:18,030 --> 00:11:19,920 If me, okay, 177 00:11:19,980 --> 00:11:23,340 this is something we need to look at. And I don't know, I 178 00:11:23,340 --> 00:11:27,690 mean, this is a new system, I'm receiving everything with the 179 00:11:27,690 --> 00:11:32,970 same fee amount on my own, Umbro, the booster grant monitor 180 00:11:33,660 --> 00:11:38,280 and receiving everything there. So it could also be the routing 181 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,650 to Alby just before we start ripping stuff up. And I think we 182 00:11:40,650 --> 00:11:44,730 still need to look at what are the limitations? What are the 183 00:11:44,730 --> 00:11:48,750 app seeing as limitations for each payment? It's just that we 184 00:11:48,750 --> 00:11:51,330 need to look at and if we're, if that's what we're hitting, now, 185 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,570 let's look at it. Now. Even if we're not, this is 186 00:11:54,990 --> 00:11:58,230 important. The other that'd be the other way to look at this is 187 00:11:58,680 --> 00:12:02,340 as an as troubleshooting exercise is that we can be the 188 00:12:02,340 --> 00:12:06,060 test case for how many splits do you do and can you use until it 189 00:12:06,270 --> 00:12:09,720 until it begins to have problems? Okay. Right. But I 190 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,520 mean, we can just keep going with but 14 splits. 191 00:12:12,510 --> 00:12:17,460 Right? I just like to I'd like to figure out why this is 192 00:12:17,460 --> 00:12:22,650 happening. Now. What I'm seeing here, so this 169 SATs, that's 193 00:12:22,650 --> 00:12:25,200 probably the split amount. So that would have been like, well, 194 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,980 actually, let me see what blueberry when blueberry do 195 00:12:30,210 --> 00:12:38,790 about 14 minutes ago. Blueberry sent 17,776. So that one got 196 00:12:38,790 --> 00:12:41,010 through. So it must be a fee issue. 197 00:12:42,300 --> 00:12:44,520 The fee is outweighing the, 198 00:12:44,550 --> 00:12:46,560 the fees outweighing the payment? I think. 199 00:12:47,940 --> 00:12:52,290 Yeah, cuz I got 17 776 from blueberry on hella pad. 200 00:12:54,240 --> 00:13:00,270 100 Yeah, right. And so I see here chat F 96. So that means 201 00:13:00,270 --> 00:13:06,630 that was what 1000 1000 SATs a 21. Oh, boy. Yeah. Okay. This is 202 00:13:06,630 --> 00:13:09,690 likely illiquidity slash fee slash routing issue. 203 00:13:10,530 --> 00:13:13,560 Yeah. And that really seems like the most logical explanation 204 00:13:13,560 --> 00:13:16,770 when it comes to if if, if a lot of splits was going to cause a 205 00:13:16,770 --> 00:13:20,760 problem. Yeah, it seems like it would manifest itself as a fee 206 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:25,830 issue. slowness number one, but then above and beyond that, like 207 00:13:25,830 --> 00:13:29,460 if payments just don't arrive? It would be a fee issue. Now? 208 00:13:30,450 --> 00:13:35,280 Is it? I've maybe this is what it would have been all along. Or 209 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:40,800 maybe I just didn't get it? Is an amp payment? Can you put 210 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:45,240 together an amp payment that doesn't necessarily assemble all 211 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:49,650 at the same end, but goes out to for instance, and payment? And 212 00:13:49,650 --> 00:13:53,010 we say send these in different directions? Or these are the 213 00:13:53,010 --> 00:13:55,650 different places and it's one payment? And it splits through 214 00:13:55,650 --> 00:13:58,590 amp? Or is yeah, that works? 215 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:03,030 Yeah, that does work. If the continuous problem with AMP is 216 00:14:03,030 --> 00:14:07,380 lack of support, like not enabled or, or, or if it goes 217 00:14:07,380 --> 00:14:10,980 through a route, or if it goes through a channel, where amp is 218 00:14:10,980 --> 00:14:14,370 not supported by one end of that channel likes to say I'm not 219 00:14:14,370 --> 00:14:18,180 sure see, lightning supports amp. Or 220 00:14:18,210 --> 00:14:21,240 you know what, Roy Roy can weigh in on this Roy knows exactly 221 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,180 where this is at. And I know he prefers amp. So if we can 222 00:14:24,180 --> 00:14:28,500 support it and start pushing it, because this that may solve our 223 00:14:28,500 --> 00:14:33,870 problem. But we do support it. No, I know. Is it on the the 224 00:14:33,870 --> 00:14:37,680 index node? I don't think so. I don't think it's turned on. I 225 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,570 don't think it's I don't think it's on by default. 226 00:14:40,170 --> 00:14:42,360 Yeah, I don't know about that when you might you may be right 227 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:42,900 about that. I 228 00:14:42,900 --> 00:14:47,040 know I think the Zeus wallet doesn't have it on it seems like 229 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,880 something that's not on by default. Even though even though 230 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:55,320 it I think the the switches try and payment if possible. So you 231 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,900 know, it could just delay the payment altogether and you know, 232 00:14:57,900 --> 00:15:00,300 delay it until Is it okay, that didn't work? No, me tried the 233 00:15:00,300 --> 00:15:03,450 old school way? I think we should. It sounds like we should 234 00:15:03,450 --> 00:15:04,500 start supporting that, 235 00:15:05,460 --> 00:15:07,770 then. Yeah. 236 00:15:09,300 --> 00:15:11,190 Just by turning it on and using it. 237 00:15:12,420 --> 00:15:17,820 I don't know, which I don't know which things support. I don't 238 00:15:17,820 --> 00:15:22,800 know which nodes node software's support app and which ones don't 239 00:15:24,150 --> 00:15:29,100 only see. I mean, look up, I wonder, see, see lightning? 240 00:15:30,180 --> 00:15:33,450 Because that would be that's the other major one, me got a link 241 00:15:33,450 --> 00:15:34,500 out there as well. 242 00:15:35,250 --> 00:15:39,240 But it means support this. There's support in the in the in 243 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:43,290 the node software itself. And then there's support in the, in 244 00:15:43,290 --> 00:15:47,790 the wallets support in the nodes in the routes, you know, routing 245 00:15:47,790 --> 00:15:51,150 nodes that the apps have to have to send have to package things 246 00:15:51,150 --> 00:15:53,400 differently, I guess, to make an app payment. 247 00:15:54,570 --> 00:16:00,690 Tomic multipath. That's online. That's on LMDS page. I don't see 248 00:16:00,690 --> 00:16:02,910 anything about amp with 249 00:16:02,910 --> 00:16:03,810 core lightning. 250 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,970 Native amp support? Yeah, I don't I don't know. I don't know 251 00:16:08,970 --> 00:16:14,130 that that's supported. And if it's not, then then that 252 00:16:14,130 --> 00:16:15,720 wouldn't be good. Because I mean, there's plenty of CLI 253 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:20,040 there's plenty of core lightning out there. That really needs to 254 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:20,940 tell us what's going on. 255 00:16:21,060 --> 00:16:24,600 But have you thought about this problem yet? Other ideas? 256 00:16:26,250 --> 00:16:31,920 I mean, I don't have I don't see. I don't see really been an 257 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,350 issue right now. I mean, I don't see a lot of payments failing. 258 00:16:35,370 --> 00:16:36,990 Well done lack of liquidity 259 00:16:37,020 --> 00:16:40,200 now. But it's only failing. Now the smaller payments are failing 260 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:41,940 to the lb split. 261 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,200 Yeah, but I mean, if it's a small pet, but each each payment 262 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:50,730 is each payment from a malicious kisser, take pod verse, for 263 00:16:50,730 --> 00:16:54,000 example, or net, it's not easy. Take cast, thematic cast 264 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:58,050 thematic when it splits that seven ways it's going to send 265 00:16:58,050 --> 00:16:59,400 seven individual payments 266 00:16:59,430 --> 00:17:03,210 understood and individual fees for seven 267 00:17:03,209 --> 00:17:08,879 individual fees. Yep. So. So a payment of 700. SAS. If that 268 00:17:08,879 --> 00:17:12,509 doesn't make it, I'm not sure amp is going to save you very 269 00:17:12,509 --> 00:17:16,019 much. Because I mean, that's a risk. If it fails because of 270 00:17:16,019 --> 00:17:20,039 fees on a 700 set payment. You're so far down the line at 271 00:17:20,039 --> 00:17:24,059 that point. I mean, so it's going to find, you know, you 272 00:17:24,089 --> 00:17:26,729 don't the way that would save us if somehow found a channel 273 00:17:26,729 --> 00:17:31,619 that's that's got 1000 SATs of liquidity, right. 274 00:17:31,620 --> 00:17:36,330 But I believe that we have a channel between us and Alby. 275 00:17:37,530 --> 00:17:42,330 And, you know, Elon pays effectively on on our node. 276 00:17:43,980 --> 00:17:46,560 Yeah, but what I'm what I'm saying though, is that does that 277 00:17:46,710 --> 00:17:53,250 and if you can't, if you can't get a 700 sat payment through 278 00:17:53,250 --> 00:17:56,580 without amp, I'm not sure you're gonna get it through with AMP 279 00:17:56,610 --> 00:17:57,030 either. 280 00:17:57,210 --> 00:18:01,230 Understood, completely understood. I'm curious why a 281 00:18:01,230 --> 00:18:06,660 payment, which should not even have a single fee in it. Because 282 00:18:06,660 --> 00:18:12,690 it's, it should be our node directly to Alby because we have 283 00:18:12,690 --> 00:18:15,000 a channel so there's no there's no routing fee. 284 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,110 That you're saying that it did not? You're saying the payments. 285 00:18:19,170 --> 00:18:21,720 Are we troubleshooting this because payments are failing to 286 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:22,950 lb? Are we afraid they are? 287 00:18:22,980 --> 00:18:25,980 No, they are? Definitely All right. Yeah, they are. It seems 288 00:18:25,980 --> 00:18:31,050 anything under under 10,000 SATs. I'm not getting a 1% split 289 00:18:31,050 --> 00:18:34,530 to the lb No, that's what I'm saying. I only have two so far 290 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:35,580 out of the room. 291 00:18:35,610 --> 00:18:37,050 Are they both from the same app? 292 00:18:38,670 --> 00:18:43,380 I see fountain. Two from pod verse. I just got one from Okay, 293 00:18:43,380 --> 00:18:47,430 here we go. We got one from fountain. Maybe it's maybe 294 00:18:47,850 --> 00:18:49,320 caching. Yeah, I could be a 295 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,050 two. If it's not DNS is cache. 296 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:59,700 I got one set, but Oh, that's interesting. It hasn't updated 297 00:18:59,700 --> 00:19:01,980 on helipad yet. Huh? 298 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,910 It'll hit Bailey pads a slow piece of crap compared to lb 299 00:19:05,910 --> 00:19:06,630 this the problem? 300 00:19:07,980 --> 00:19:11,640 Hey, I don't want to ever hear you talking about helipad like 301 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,610 that. That's incredibly rude. All right. So you know what, 302 00:19:14,610 --> 00:19:17,430 maybe it's just caching but we'll let it we'll let it shake 303 00:19:17,430 --> 00:19:18,900 out a little bit. See how it does. 304 00:19:19,290 --> 00:19:21,750 It's caching is gotta be caching. We're that's what we're 305 00:19:21,750 --> 00:19:23,160 gonna go with. Okay, it's caching. 306 00:19:23,190 --> 00:19:26,550 All right, everybody. Fire drill over it was caching 307 00:19:26,940 --> 00:19:34,620 next. me speaking of speaking of Lb I'm in the throes of adding 308 00:19:34,650 --> 00:19:36,600 lb wallet support to podcaster wallet. 309 00:19:36,929 --> 00:19:40,379 Oh, fantastic. Because did you see that they just added 310 00:19:41,879 --> 00:19:43,319 shipping to SoundCloud. 311 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,860 Oh, no. Yes. 312 00:19:46,860 --> 00:19:50,430 I'm telling you. SoundCloud. We got to we got to get that 313 00:19:50,430 --> 00:19:53,250 connection made because the people are gonna want it and 314 00:19:53,250 --> 00:19:55,380 let's not get them in the habit of tipping. 315 00:19:56,280 --> 00:20:00,330 That nobody actually works at SoundCloud though. It's all Ay 316 00:20:00,330 --> 00:20:00,720 ay ay, 317 00:20:00,930 --> 00:20:03,840 but we don't need them. We don't need their permission. 318 00:20:04,650 --> 00:20:07,620 That's right. We don't have you don't need it. No, 319 00:20:07,650 --> 00:20:14,520 please claim your feet here. And as we discussed, do you have a 320 00:20:14,550 --> 00:20:18,510 music tracks in your feed, whatever the language is, click 321 00:20:18,540 --> 00:20:22,350 Yes, your music medium equals music bit gets flipped. It's a 322 00:20:22,350 --> 00:20:25,740 shame but you know, we got to help these fuckers because, you 323 00:20:25,740 --> 00:20:29,730 know, disco Matic know what they called 324 00:20:30,180 --> 00:20:33,660 dystopia disco Matic disco Matic that's the 325 00:20:33,660 --> 00:20:38,040 new name just from now on disco Matic dystopia, you know, these 326 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,970 guys are hot and heavy on it, it's gonna happen. It's the same 327 00:20:41,970 --> 00:20:45,270 as the hosting companies. It may even go a little bit faster, but 328 00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:47,850 we have to put a little shim in there because of the music flag. 329 00:20:48,450 --> 00:20:53,130 Ryan has sent me some links. That topic I was talking about 330 00:20:53,130 --> 00:20:56,070 where you could like detect whether something is music or 331 00:20:56,070 --> 00:21:01,680 audio, I mean, our speech automatically, like eight sent 332 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,130 me some stuff you totally can. That's a evidently well 333 00:21:05,130 --> 00:21:07,710 trodden territory. Well, you know what I would love for you 334 00:21:07,710 --> 00:21:08,160 to do it. 335 00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:14,640 I would, I mean, I'd like to take a here, here's my idea. So 336 00:21:14,670 --> 00:21:19,740 take the day, the weekly data database, the weekly John dump, 337 00:21:20,370 --> 00:21:27,570 and dump, download it, mess around the weekly massive dump, 338 00:21:27,900 --> 00:21:32,880 and dump and ghost runs through it because one of the things 339 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:37,920 contained in the massive dump is the lat the most recent 340 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:45,060 enclosure URL. So you can run through that run maybe hills a 341 00:21:45,060 --> 00:21:50,040 lot to Mystic, you could crawl through that, and grab the URL 342 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:57,570 of every of each one of each enclosure, and then run the 343 00:21:57,570 --> 00:22:02,640 analysis on it and see if it's music or speech. And then sort 344 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:07,050 of build a profile across the index of which, how many and 345 00:22:07,050 --> 00:22:14,070 which podcasts are audio verse, or audio or speech versus music. 346 00:22:15,150 --> 00:22:18,450 That would be a really good first crack at that, to see if 347 00:22:18,450 --> 00:22:24,420 there's pockets and then union we will increment a counter. So 348 00:22:24,660 --> 00:22:29,970 if it finds a music, podcasts, or enclosure, we increment a 349 00:22:29,970 --> 00:22:36,690 counter on the host description so that we can say okay, there's 350 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:42,510 maybe by the end of this thing, there's 75,000 podcasts that 351 00:22:42,510 --> 00:22:47,940 seemed to be music. And they're clustered with they're clustered 352 00:22:47,940 --> 00:22:55,470 in these hosts maybe SoundCloud you know just topia whatever RSS 353 00:22:55,470 --> 00:23:00,750 blue did I don't know if you saw RSS blue, fairly new hosting 354 00:23:00,750 --> 00:23:04,560 company. They got music, the music tag or excuse me, the 355 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:10,110 medium tag is evidently baked into their their UI, and there's 356 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,560 quite a few music podcasts right out the gate. And 357 00:23:14,610 --> 00:23:15,990 what are they doing for wallets? 358 00:23:17,700 --> 00:23:22,470 They support the you know, putting in your value block. Oh, 359 00:23:22,470 --> 00:23:23,430 is that I don't know. You get? 360 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,350 You get shuttled through. So 361 00:23:25,650 --> 00:23:27,900 can I get to lb I think they're connected to lb. 362 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:33,660 So the only thing we need them. And I'm fine. Not at these you 363 00:23:33,900 --> 00:23:36,240 without saying it. You don't want to add the shim to 364 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,630 podcaster wallet. You don't want to add the medium is music. I 365 00:23:39,630 --> 00:23:40,410 know you don't. 366 00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:46,050 I don't because it's so sketchy. Good because I don't know good. 367 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:46,770 Yeah, 368 00:23:46,830 --> 00:23:50,160 good. We still need to change the language for someone who 369 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:57,240 wants to sign up for music. How do we get that done? Do we 370 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,600 change the exists? There? Again, I think if if people have to go 371 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,830 to a place called podcast or wallet to get their music in, I 372 00:24:04,830 --> 00:24:14,100 think will fail. So it's purely perception may may help. How 373 00:24:14,100 --> 00:24:18,840 about this? How about this? Maybe the way you find out how 374 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,780 much music is in there. That sounds like a pretty cool 375 00:24:21,780 --> 00:24:22,740 project actually. 376 00:24:23,250 --> 00:24:24,000 Sounds kind of fun. 377 00:24:24,300 --> 00:24:34,920 And in the meantime, just like RSS blue. And in a way, like 378 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,830 fountain I would hope that someone would make an app where 379 00:24:37,830 --> 00:24:42,270 you can actually do the onboarding. So here's your new 380 00:24:42,300 --> 00:24:46,380 this is the new new music 2.0 app. And here's what it does. 381 00:24:46,410 --> 00:24:51,480 And if you if you're an artist and you're either on the end if 382 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:57,750 you're here, here or here, claim your feed and and get your 383 00:24:57,750 --> 00:25:02,010 wallet if if you're not with RSS Blue or whatever. So the honest 384 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,950 the onboarding would have is that what are says blue is doing 385 00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:09,990 there, they're doing the same as fountain with us interacting 386 00:25:09,990 --> 00:25:12,330 with the value block, or they're putting the block into the RSS 387 00:25:12,330 --> 00:25:12,690 feed. 388 00:25:13,860 --> 00:25:16,110 Looking right now, they're, they're putting the block into 389 00:25:16,110 --> 00:25:21,030 the feed. And I think they may have done an integration with 390 00:25:21,030 --> 00:25:26,340 Alby. But I'm not sure they may just have fields, I'm gonna have 391 00:25:26,340 --> 00:25:32,340 to go back and look. Okay. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's there, the 392 00:25:32,340 --> 00:25:33,090 stuffs there. 393 00:25:33,330 --> 00:25:36,810 Now, this is actually a good idea. So probably a good way to 394 00:25:36,810 --> 00:25:40,560 kickstart this is if you're interested in doing that project 395 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,820 to find out what's in the system. Sure, and we and we mark 396 00:25:44,820 --> 00:25:48,300 that up and say, okay, in you know, either temporary or 397 00:25:48,300 --> 00:25:52,530 whatever, a special endpoint music flag experimental, then, 398 00:25:52,590 --> 00:25:55,410 then then the app developers can do something, then they have 399 00:25:55,410 --> 00:25:58,770 some content they can use. That's all we need. We need the 400 00:25:58,770 --> 00:26:01,410 content that I don't care how we get it in there. If it's already 401 00:26:01,410 --> 00:26:05,010 in there, we could find it, then I think we'll see the app. This 402 00:26:05,010 --> 00:26:08,250 is the way to go. podcasts or wallet is such a fucking crutch. 403 00:26:08,250 --> 00:26:11,940 I love it. But it's not the way to go. What fountain did is the 404 00:26:11,940 --> 00:26:16,500 way to go? And then of course, hosting companies doing feeds 405 00:26:16,500 --> 00:26:20,010 directly, totally the way to go. Okay, 406 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:21,420 yeah, now I'm down. 407 00:26:21,780 --> 00:26:24,270 Because I've talked myself out of what I want. It's Fuck, 408 00:26:24,270 --> 00:26:25,200 you're good day job. 409 00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:35,340 Yeah, I can, I can push the mind of the meal. So we think I 410 00:26:35,340 --> 00:26:38,820 really want the medium. I really want this music stuff to be 411 00:26:38,820 --> 00:26:45,090 figured out prior to pre hackathon. Yeah, I agree. But 412 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,090 because that's going to be a celebration, you know, it's 413 00:26:48,090 --> 00:26:51,810 gonna be nice people salivate to have to have more than to use. 414 00:26:53,370 --> 00:26:58,110 So briefly, tell me what is the output of, of the system you 415 00:26:58,110 --> 00:26:59,160 you're thinking of doing? 416 00:27:02,130 --> 00:27:07,950 So in my head, what I was thinking is go day, Grunt 417 00:27:07,980 --> 00:27:13,950 through the dump, get grab every grab every enclosure URL, and 418 00:27:13,950 --> 00:27:17,130 it's the most recent one as of the time of the massive dump, 419 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:22,170 grab each enclosure URL, you'd have to be downloaded, and then 420 00:27:22,170 --> 00:27:27,420 run an analysis on it using one of these tools. And then keep a 421 00:27:27,420 --> 00:27:33,630 running count of which ones are music, and which, in which host, 422 00:27:33,930 --> 00:27:37,770 which hosting provider it is. And then at the end of it, what 423 00:27:37,770 --> 00:27:42,060 it would output is, here's how many podcasts had contain music 424 00:27:42,060 --> 00:27:49,440 content. And which hosting companies are ones that contain 425 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:54,060 music content. Parallel to that it would also be outputting. 426 00:27:55,470 --> 00:27:59,700 Each individual feed like you know, with the feed URL or the 427 00:27:59,730 --> 00:28:03,300 participant make sure sure sure, sure, sure. So that we could go 428 00:28:03,300 --> 00:28:11,160 back and mark them as music in the database directly. 429 00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:15,030 Now we mark them permanently as music or some temp flag or 430 00:28:15,030 --> 00:28:17,160 something so that we know, I think 431 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:22,770 I would flag it as music because because it's not going to hurt 432 00:28:22,770 --> 00:28:26,040 it. It's not going to change the the podcast, it's not going to 433 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,290 change the API output in any 434 00:28:28,290 --> 00:28:31,350 way. Yeah, it's just how the how the apps interpret that, 435 00:28:31,949 --> 00:28:35,279 right? The only thing it would, the only way that the output of 436 00:28:35,279 --> 00:28:39,689 the of the API would be affected is if you called if you called 437 00:28:39,689 --> 00:28:48,419 the endpoint. If you made a call to the podcast by tag by tag 438 00:28:48,419 --> 00:28:52,859 medium, or nose bucket, I can't remember the there's an API 439 00:28:52,859 --> 00:28:57,149 endpoint that we made dish gives you back only music podcasts 440 00:28:57,149 --> 00:29:01,079 that have declared the music medium that would now output all 441 00:29:01,079 --> 00:29:03,899 those ones we flagged but nothing else about any of the 442 00:29:03,899 --> 00:29:05,999 output would change. So it wouldn't have it wouldn't harm 443 00:29:05,999 --> 00:29:10,739 anything. And and we would know with great with a great day a 444 00:29:10,889 --> 00:29:15,839 great degree of confidence that these that these podcasts do, in 445 00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:17,729 fact contain music material, 446 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,860 right? I love it. It 447 00:29:19,860 --> 00:29:23,850 would be I love it. It would. It's a good interim for your if 448 00:29:23,850 --> 00:29:28,080 we have a list to say, okay, these five podcast hosting 449 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:33,690 providers contain a lot of music content. We can then contact get 450 00:29:33,690 --> 00:29:35,970 in touch with them directly and say, Hey, y'all got a bunch of 451 00:29:35,970 --> 00:29:39,060 music on there? Why don't you declare the music medium tag? 452 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,970 Well, we already got it. Yep. Love it. Love it. All right, 453 00:29:44,970 --> 00:29:51,810 Meeting adjourned. Till next week. Oh man, 454 00:29:51,929 --> 00:29:54,539 I'm still I'm gonna do that. I'll do that after I finished 455 00:29:54,539 --> 00:30:00,809 with the lb Parkchester wallet connector thing because the way 456 00:30:00,839 --> 00:30:05,459 the way that's going is in the podcaster wallet dashboard, just 457 00:30:05,459 --> 00:30:13,289 let you know it's like right now it has thinks voltage see thinks 458 00:30:13,289 --> 00:30:17,999 voltage what was the was the other way along pay? No, not 459 00:30:17,999 --> 00:30:24,029 Ellen pay. Oh Satoshi string thinks voltage Satoshi stream, 460 00:30:24,269 --> 00:30:27,809 and then custom add your own custom node rice. So you can add 461 00:30:27,989 --> 00:30:30,629 there'll be another one I'll add lb. And it'll be a connector, 462 00:30:30,629 --> 00:30:34,439 you'll it'll kick you out to lb, you'll say Yeah, I'm good. You 463 00:30:34,439 --> 00:30:37,349 know, I want to connect my wallet. And then it'll here's 464 00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:43,110 a, here's a call back. So it would seem it would seem to me 465 00:30:43,620 --> 00:30:48,420 that Al B, or Saturn could actually do that they could, 466 00:30:48,450 --> 00:30:52,830 they should be able to onboard from their end too. So hey, look 467 00:30:52,830 --> 00:30:56,250 at the sexy stats, you want that sign up here. And then they just 468 00:30:56,250 --> 00:30:59,190 hit the back end without actually going to podcast or 469 00:30:59,190 --> 00:31:02,010 wallet. And so you don't have to fill all that stuff out. 470 00:31:04,380 --> 00:31:07,680 Yeah, so we did that for fountain and for Satoshi stream 471 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,570 they have Yeah, they have direct access. 472 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,790 Yeah, I think I'll be considered that. 473 00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:20,610 Now it's up to the provider, who we do this for to do the valid 474 00:31:20,610 --> 00:31:24,300 feed owner validation checking. They have to go through that 475 00:31:24,330 --> 00:31:27,960 those hoops. We don't do okay. Okay, because we don't get a 476 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:28,560 chance to at 477 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,980 that point. Nor do we, because that's a huge pain in the ass. 478 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,480 Right. And this is another reason why we need we need to 479 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:41,190 make progress on the verify, verify tag. So because I want to 480 00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:43,740 get out of this game, what uh, here's what I would love to do. 481 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,670 And this is across the entire index. This is not not just for 482 00:31:47,670 --> 00:31:52,140 this use case, across the entire index, I would love to get rid 483 00:31:52,140 --> 00:31:54,270 of email addresses, I don't want to hold anybody's email 484 00:31:54,270 --> 00:32:00,960 addresses ever. And what that means is, when you sign up for 485 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:07,110 the API, you hold your it holds your email address, temporarily, 486 00:32:07,860 --> 00:32:11,760 so that they can verify your identity. Then once you 487 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:19,770 verified, it takes your email address, and it hashes it into a 488 00:32:19,770 --> 00:32:22,920 store and just stores the hash. Okay, so that when you go back 489 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,340 to login in the future, you're just logging in what you log in 490 00:32:26,340 --> 00:32:28,860 with your email address and password hashes both of them not 491 00:32:28,860 --> 00:32:31,980 just the password and compares it to the database that way, 492 00:32:32,490 --> 00:32:35,370 that way we don't have and if you ever forget your password, 493 00:32:35,370 --> 00:32:37,380 you're gonna have to just type your password your email address 494 00:32:37,380 --> 00:32:41,490 in it'll again, do the hash. I don't think it affects anybody. 495 00:32:41,790 --> 00:32:43,890 We can remove all the email addresses from our entire 496 00:32:43,890 --> 00:32:47,580 database podcasts and and signups and podcasts or wallet 497 00:32:47,580 --> 00:32:51,120 and all that stuff. I like because that way we don't ever 498 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,120 have to worry about the you know, any of this stuff like 499 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,540 GDPR and all this kind of junk. We don't have to worry about any 500 00:32:57,540 --> 00:32:58,080 of that stuff. Because we 501 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,030 don't hold anything. And we don't need it really except for 502 00:33:00,030 --> 00:33:01,080 that one function. 503 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,710 Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's really all the verification part 504 00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:06,630 is the only thing we need it for. And I think we can do that 505 00:33:06,630 --> 00:33:08,850 with just hashes. I'm fine with it. 506 00:33:09,060 --> 00:33:11,940 All right. All right. Hello, Dortch Lyons. Hello, 507 00:33:11,940 --> 00:33:13,350 Deutschland? Do you hear me? 508 00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:15,720 Go? We've been going for like 30 minutes. We've already solved 509 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,030 like two major problems. Well, we're on a roll baby. 510 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,060 Elsa have some thoughts about stuff I've been reading and 511 00:33:21,060 --> 00:33:25,710 seeing and hearing this week. Okay, from the podcast industry. 512 00:33:28,020 --> 00:33:30,060 Seriously, favorite term, your favorite term? 513 00:33:30,090 --> 00:33:33,750 Well, no, I've, I've I have clarity, I have a lot of 514 00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:34,350 clarity. 515 00:33:34,860 --> 00:33:36,570 This is the pod like to benefit from 516 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,790 the podcasts industry, I realized, is actually the 517 00:33:41,790 --> 00:33:47,160 podcast industrial complex. And it's it's not it's not 518 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,850 dissimilar. It's really not dissimilar. It makes me think of 519 00:33:50,850 --> 00:33:53,820 the military industrial complex is where I'm borrowing the word 520 00:33:53,820 --> 00:33:57,120 from, of course. And the fact that people call it the 521 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,390 industry. I mean, in our industry, the industry is 522 00:34:00,390 --> 00:34:06,060 sometimes interchangeable with space, space or community, which 523 00:34:06,060 --> 00:34:10,740 I despise you know, this bullshit, I don't do this. It's 524 00:34:10,740 --> 00:34:14,880 not that way. And, you know, when it kind of, you know, so 525 00:34:15,870 --> 00:34:20,460 when we started this, Dave, you and I, just the two of us, just 526 00:34:20,460 --> 00:34:28,770 the two of us. The two of us, yes. I was loving the air. You 527 00:34:28,770 --> 00:34:31,800 know, with two things in mind. One is deep platforming is 528 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,430 bullshit. No, we're not going to have that. Actually, three 529 00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:40,500 things two was, we need to do all the heavy lifting so 530 00:34:40,530 --> 00:34:44,040 software developers can get in the game. And then we needed to 531 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,940 have a censorship resistant payment system, which also was 532 00:34:47,940 --> 00:34:52,140 able to include everybody in the game in the flow, including the 533 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:57,900 developers. And I'm still very convinced that that is not an 534 00:34:57,900 --> 00:35:00,750 insignificant driver. The fact that everybody receives that 535 00:35:00,780 --> 00:35:06,480 there's potential for everyone to catch a piece of this. And 536 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,940 it's, it's a lot more fun when you share. And it's not just the 537 00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:12,060 podcaster getting all the money, which is kind of what had 538 00:35:12,060 --> 00:35:15,300 happened with the podcast industrial complex, and very 539 00:35:15,300 --> 00:35:19,530 similar to have a term by the way, thank you very similar to 540 00:35:19,530 --> 00:35:25,770 having consultants and lobbyists and governance boards, you know, 541 00:35:25,890 --> 00:35:32,130 what we discovered, is there was this huge monolith of, of 542 00:35:32,130 --> 00:35:36,360 interconnected pieces that called themselves the industry. 543 00:35:37,230 --> 00:35:40,920 And then we're stagnant that when we saw centralization, 544 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:47,940 stagnation, worse, we saw, not the first not the second, maybe 545 00:35:47,940 --> 00:35:53,490 the fourth try by Silicon Valley, in this case, Stockholm 546 00:35:53,700 --> 00:35:57,990 Valley, to come in and capture podcasting, and we can own it 547 00:35:57,990 --> 00:36:02,730 all. And you know, it's failed many times before. To a degree 548 00:36:02,730 --> 00:36:05,610 where they're so brazen, they're like, Yeah, we don't I mean, 549 00:36:05,610 --> 00:36:10,110 this RSS shit. So of course, RSS is the reason why this works. 550 00:36:10,110 --> 00:36:13,950 And the cool thing about RSS was, you didn't need anybody's 551 00:36:13,950 --> 00:36:17,850 permission, you just show up with your RSS feed and the 552 00:36:17,850 --> 00:36:22,380 server and you plop it down. In general, you don't need anyone's 553 00:36:22,380 --> 00:36:25,380 permission. Now, of course, we have a very nicely decentralized 554 00:36:25,380 --> 00:36:30,720 hosting category of companies, all relatively small, medium 555 00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:34,440 enterprises, you know, all started as a cottage industry, 556 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,870 and they serve their clients very well. And this is a very 557 00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:39,480 small group, it's like pilots, you know, like helicopter 558 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,020 pilots, there's only so so many of them, but the people who are 559 00:36:43,020 --> 00:36:46,590 in it, you know, the mechanics, the instructors, the flight 560 00:36:46,590 --> 00:36:49,290 line, FBO. I mean, there's a lot of there's a lot of people, 561 00:36:49,290 --> 00:36:51,810 it's, you can call that an industry, community, whatever 562 00:36:51,810 --> 00:36:54,810 you want to call it. But podcasting is unique, because 563 00:36:54,810 --> 00:36:58,950 you really don't need anything or anybody. You don't really 564 00:36:58,950 --> 00:37:04,200 even need money, just a little bit if just to host stuff. So, 565 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,580 as I'm reading, and, you know, there's many people I respect 566 00:37:08,580 --> 00:37:13,230 and have known for going on two decades, listening to different 567 00:37:13,230 --> 00:37:16,980 podcasts and how they're all processing, the hurt and the 568 00:37:16,980 --> 00:37:21,240 shame of Podcast Movement. At first, I'm just like, holy crap. 569 00:37:21,780 --> 00:37:26,070 Are we still talking about this? Are we still trying to, 570 00:37:27,870 --> 00:37:31,560 to listen to each other and all this? I'm like, hold on a 571 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,800 second. And but here's what I keep hearing in this in these 572 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,250 conversations in these pieces. And I'm confused by it. You 573 00:37:38,250 --> 00:37:43,110 know, we as an industry, interchange, community, 574 00:37:43,620 --> 00:37:48,600 whatever, but industry, we have an obligation to lift unheard 575 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:53,250 voices. And I'm like, How can you not be heard in an open 576 00:37:53,250 --> 00:37:56,970 system? What are you talking about? That everybody can be 577 00:37:56,970 --> 00:38:02,070 heard? It's equal, not where it's not equal is in platforms, 578 00:38:02,100 --> 00:38:06,210 you know? So is this about getting equal exposure and 579 00:38:06,210 --> 00:38:09,660 Spotify? I mean, I've never, I mean, the times I've been on the 580 00:38:09,660 --> 00:38:14,880 front page of Apple, I can count on half a hand. Seriously, 581 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:19,740 seriously. And but I've spent the time I did the grind and, 582 00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:24,660 and here we are. So So initially, I was thinking, These 583 00:38:24,660 --> 00:38:28,920 people are missing the point. Like, does that mean that we all 584 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,680 have to be on the same town square? This is what they say a 585 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,800 lot about Twitter? Well, it's the town square it's the public 586 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:41,850 square. No, no. To me, it's like we're in history that the whole 587 00:38:41,850 --> 00:38:45,510 world or a whole city come together at one time on a square 588 00:38:45,750 --> 00:38:49,320 it don't your you got your square and Chinatown you got 589 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,410 your square and Little Italy, you got the square and Brooklyn, 590 00:38:52,710 --> 00:38:56,070 you know, all these all these different squares. And now we 591 00:38:56,070 --> 00:38:58,560 can actually interconnect them. I thought these people are just 592 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,650 missing the point is like, what do you what do you tried to 593 00:39:01,650 --> 00:39:06,540 raise up anybody can can get the same exposure. I was missing the 594 00:39:06,540 --> 00:39:11,610 point. This is about who's in the relatively small money 595 00:39:11,610 --> 00:39:15,450 square. And this is the key part of the military industrial 596 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:21,300 complex, where we literally have boards and and Starfleet 597 00:39:21,300 --> 00:39:26,160 commands who decide, you know that equity is important and we 598 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,970 need more of this and we need to have more of these people again, 599 00:39:29,970 --> 00:39:32,550 in an open system. I don't understand what what they're 600 00:39:32,550 --> 00:39:36,270 talking about. Then it dawned on me it's it's who gets the money. 601 00:39:36,690 --> 00:39:40,050 And I literally heard Oh, no, I read this today on pod news. 602 00:39:41,310 --> 00:39:47,070 Someone did a an analysis of the podcast industry so again, the 603 00:39:47,070 --> 00:39:51,810 podcast industrial complex, and it's like whoa, here's the 604 00:39:51,810 --> 00:39:56,910 conclusion. White men run it you know and who they have serious X 605 00:39:56,910 --> 00:39:59,970 am amused. So I'm looking at these like this. I heart 606 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:09,720 Spotify, Apple, Amazon, a caste Odyssey. You know what, fuck all 607 00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:15,990 this? Yeah, absolutely. White men run that business. So now I 608 00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:22,560 understand they're using the racial angle or inclusivity, the 609 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:29,580 DEI, you know, diversity, equity inclusion, to force people into 610 00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:34,200 cutting up the pie and cutting other people in. And in my view, 611 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:39,120 and I don't think this is purposeful. But it's, it's very 612 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:44,430 normal for an, you know, I have no prob, I love people who serve 613 00:40:44,430 --> 00:40:46,350 in the military. And there's also people I know, are 614 00:40:46,350 --> 00:40:49,500 administrative in the military. And they all know it's a shit 615 00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:52,290 show, and I don't hate them individually, but on mass, it's 616 00:40:52,290 --> 00:40:54,870 a huge shit show. And that's what this is, only it's not as 617 00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:58,530 much money as the military industrial complex. So that's 618 00:40:58,530 --> 00:41:03,510 why I saw hundreds of consultants. And I was, I think 619 00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:06,960 you sent me a link about this. This one consultant, you know, 620 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,620 who built up her business, you know, selling ads on podcast, 621 00:41:10,830 --> 00:41:14,190 and then she's finally hit the big time. And she's gone to New 622 00:41:14,190 --> 00:41:18,150 York. And you know, she, she goes and collects some, some 623 00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:25,350 diverse people, and then goes to a corporate a corporation, and 624 00:41:25,350 --> 00:41:30,270 says, Okay, I need $200,000 to produce this series. And now I 625 00:41:30,270 --> 00:41:34,650 have like six episodes, and now my mind is like, oh, okay, we're 626 00:41:34,650 --> 00:41:39,210 recreating Hollywood. Got it. And here's the only thing that 627 00:41:39,210 --> 00:41:42,900 the podcast Industrial Complex has as a unique selling 628 00:41:42,900 --> 00:41:48,930 proposition. brand safety and suitability. That's it, hey, we 629 00:41:48,930 --> 00:41:51,840 can show you brand safety and suitability. Look at our hosts, 630 00:41:51,930 --> 00:41:54,720 look at who's producing it. Look at the mix. How can that be 631 00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:59,400 wrong? So all they're really doing this all they have as as 632 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,940 something extra? Is brand safety. It's you know, it's 633 00:42:02,970 --> 00:42:07,320 like, it's a part of ESG. I even heard as I was listening and 634 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,800 reading, there's no talk of what then this came out of this whole 635 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,640 fracas with Ben Shapiro, now people talking about universal 636 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,810 labeling system for podcasts. So not just audiences, but 637 00:42:19,110 --> 00:42:21,330 advertisers know what's inside. 638 00:42:22,590 --> 00:42:25,140 Well, the nutrition label, yes, 639 00:42:25,170 --> 00:42:31,200 yes. No, no. And that's all fine. I'm perfectly okay with 640 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:35,460 it. I'm not interested in it. I don't want to compete in it. I 641 00:42:35,460 --> 00:42:38,730 find it sad that people are tricked into thinking they have 642 00:42:38,730 --> 00:42:43,320 a shot in it. If you don't have the certain attributes, I think 643 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:47,250 you don't. It's a lot of people running after the same money. 644 00:42:47,250 --> 00:42:51,420 And here's, here's the bad news. Because that's not bad. To me, 645 00:42:51,420 --> 00:42:54,600 it's like a fine is, I really don't care. I have other things 646 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,290 to do with my life. Just don't call it the podcast industry. 647 00:42:58,290 --> 00:43:01,590 It's the podcast industrial complex. But here's the problem, 648 00:43:01,620 --> 00:43:05,280 the money ride is coming to an end, the free money, the Silicon 649 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,540 Valley money, it's over. And just That's how interest rates 650 00:43:09,540 --> 00:43:13,500 work, the money is is is no longer going to flow the way it 651 00:43:13,500 --> 00:43:18,510 used to talk to your people in marketing, advertising is drying 652 00:43:18,510 --> 00:43:22,740 up. And it's not just the podcast industrial complex. 653 00:43:23,970 --> 00:43:27,630 Advertising is advertising and marketing money is drying up 654 00:43:27,630 --> 00:43:31,740 everywhere, particularly online. It doesn't mean that there's 655 00:43:31,740 --> 00:43:34,290 less people advertising, although that is of course, 656 00:43:34,380 --> 00:43:39,390 diminishing with economic circumstances. I mean, just as a 657 00:43:39,390 --> 00:43:42,660 general question, I would love to see an analysis I was hoping 658 00:43:42,660 --> 00:43:47,160 pod news may have I may have this. I would like to see how 659 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,820 are these dynamically inserted ads that multiple hosting 660 00:43:50,820 --> 00:43:53,010 companies have implemented in the past few months? How are 661 00:43:53,010 --> 00:43:55,410 they doing? I don't hear anything about it. 662 00:43:56,250 --> 00:43:58,680 I never hear performance metrics on any of that. You hear 663 00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,460 it about everybody else. And then we'll have $6 billion 664 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,480 running through podcasting in just a few short years. Is this 665 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:12,900 working? I don't believe it is. And that's why podcasts 666 00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:17,670 industrial complex conferences are really money funnels. But 667 00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:24,120 here's here's how I can prove to you that advertising online in 668 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,360 general is a problem. And podcasting is going to be the 669 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:32,790 first one to be cut off the list. And death definitely now 670 00:44:32,790 --> 00:44:37,830 with this bullshit that went down at Podcast Movement. That's 671 00:44:37,860 --> 00:44:41,640 kryptonite. It doesn't matter who was right who was wrong. 672 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,820 That's kryptonite to advertisers. That's why I 673 00:44:44,820 --> 00:44:48,180 believe there's so much groveling from the P IC. They're 674 00:44:48,180 --> 00:44:52,350 saying, oh, you know what? We're open to dialogue and we can all 675 00:44:52,350 --> 00:44:56,190 get along and No, no, no, you're worried that advertisers are 676 00:44:56,190 --> 00:44:58,770 going to walk away with you're honest with yourself about it or 677 00:44:58,770 --> 00:45:01,740 not. I truly believe that I've been around a long time. 678 00:45:02,220 --> 00:45:05,310 I've got clips to prove it. I brought receipts. Let's do 679 00:45:05,310 --> 00:45:07,980 that. And then I'll give you the payoff. What's happening? How 680 00:45:07,980 --> 00:45:08,520 about that? 681 00:45:08,910 --> 00:45:13,260 Yeah. So Ed Ryan, if anybody hasn't seen his interview with a 682 00:45:13,260 --> 00:45:15,990 think the guy's name is boring, Jeremy boring, which is 683 00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:17,250 completely unfortunate name. 684 00:45:19,170 --> 00:45:20,490 To some degree, yes. 685 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,720 Yeah. At Ryan's radio, he did a great interview with with the, I 686 00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:28,680 guess he's the co founder or co owner of daily wire. And it was 687 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:33,780 good in the sense that I feel like it was very, there was two 688 00:45:33,780 --> 00:45:41,100 sides to this guy. The one side was he was clearly being very 689 00:45:41,100 --> 00:45:46,410 honest with his emotions. He was upset. I mean, he said a lot of 690 00:45:46,410 --> 00:45:49,140 stuff. I mean, he was but he did not hold back in this interview 691 00:45:49,230 --> 00:45:54,870 saying exactly what he thought about the whole situation. The 692 00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:58,980 others, but there was another side of it. The other side of it 693 00:45:58,980 --> 00:46:05,520 was, I feel like sort of a calculated truth, some 694 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:12,840 calculated phrasing, that makes me think that something has 695 00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:18,330 changed. Where there could be lawsuits, or some sort of 696 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:25,620 seeking after damages for some of these things. PLAY CLIP one, 697 00:46:25,650 --> 00:46:26,580 and we'll get into. 698 00:46:27,180 --> 00:46:30,360 So I get on this call with one of the CO owners and, and you 699 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,820 know, I was fairly open minded going into the call, I thought, 700 00:46:32,820 --> 00:46:35,130 you know, with a little luck, I'll get an apology with a 701 00:46:35,130 --> 00:46:37,890 little luck, they'll take the tweet down. And maybe we can all 702 00:46:37,890 --> 00:46:41,760 kind of get on, get on with our lives. And instead, as I 703 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:46,380 mentioned last night on daily wires backstage podcast, what I 704 00:46:46,380 --> 00:46:50,970 got was just an incredibly disingenuous phone call in which 705 00:46:51,420 --> 00:46:54,120 this gentleman told me that there was nothing remotely 706 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,360 political about their tweet, and that they were only actually 707 00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,320 upset because they don't really want podcasters podcast talent, 708 00:47:01,860 --> 00:47:06,000 being at Podcast Network, sorry, Podcast Movement, a conference 709 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,440 that exists for podcasters. So his argument was, this wasn't 710 00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,660 political at all. You know, we were just surprised that Ben 711 00:47:12,660 --> 00:47:15,300 showed up, we don't let talent show up. And some of our other 712 00:47:15,300 --> 00:47:18,660 sponsors are angry because their talent wasn't invited. So I hope 713 00:47:18,660 --> 00:47:20,430 you understand that it wasn't political. And that's all it 714 00:47:20,430 --> 00:47:24,210 was. And, and I'll be honest, that I kind of choked up a 715 00:47:24,210 --> 00:47:27,750 little bit, my voice broke, I can utterly adrenalized you have 716 00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:30,420 to understand Ben Shapiro is my business partner. But Ben 717 00:47:30,420 --> 00:47:35,820 Shapiro is also my friend and and to be lied to, to my face to 718 00:47:35,820 --> 00:47:39,780 be told that a groveling apology that says they never should have 719 00:47:39,780 --> 00:47:43,410 taken our money, that our content is dangerous, that our 720 00:47:43,410 --> 00:47:46,290 very presence causes harm. You're going to tell me that 721 00:47:46,290 --> 00:47:48,510 this isn't political. You're going to tell me that this is 722 00:47:48,510 --> 00:47:51,510 Oh, we just don't like for talent, podcast talent to show 723 00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:55,740 up at our podcast conference. The the audacity of it. 724 00:47:57,300 --> 00:48:00,690 So, to me, there's two, there's those two parts of this. 725 00:48:00,690 --> 00:48:06,060 There's, there's the I think he when he says talks about the 726 00:48:06,060 --> 00:48:09,150 talent, we don't want the talent showing up. I think that's 727 00:48:09,150 --> 00:48:12,060 legit. I think there's a legitimate side to that. I bet 728 00:48:12,060 --> 00:48:16,050 you they don't. And the reason is, when Ben Shapiro walked in 729 00:48:16,050 --> 00:48:21,960 the room, it was like, gosh, I mean, it's suck everybody to the 730 00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:25,050 to the daily wire booth, even people who didn't like him. This 731 00:48:25,050 --> 00:48:25,260 is 732 00:48:25,260 --> 00:48:30,330 contrary to every conference I've ever been involved in. You 733 00:48:30,330 --> 00:48:33,360 want Bill Gates working the floor walking the floor of 734 00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,100 Comdex you want you 735 00:48:35,100 --> 00:48:39,000 want it but you want all of them like this. I think people got 736 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:44,010 pissed because Shapiro showed up. And it sucked everybody to 737 00:48:44,010 --> 00:48:47,700 the daily wire, including all the ad money and all that stuff. 738 00:48:47,700 --> 00:48:51,960 It was like everybody, every other every other agency in the 739 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:56,640 room. saw all the color drain out is like Okay, 740 00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:00,930 so you know, what do you Alright, so then why was I 741 00:49:00,930 --> 00:49:03,840 allowed to walk around? Um, no, Ben Shapiro and my talented 742 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,320 people recognize me? Could I be polarized advertising? 743 00:49:07,890 --> 00:49:11,100 I'm sorry, you don't take you're not you're not you don't take? 744 00:49:12,780 --> 00:49:15,270 Well, then they made a calculation by giving him a 745 00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:16,530 booth to start with 746 00:49:17,310 --> 00:49:20,730 that when they said we didn't expect him to show up and that 747 00:49:20,730 --> 00:49:21,540 was a problem. Okay, 748 00:49:21,540 --> 00:49:24,780 I'll take it back. Yeah, so when Bill Gates walks the floor, walk 749 00:49:24,780 --> 00:49:27,690 the floor of Comdex he was controlled by the Comdex people 750 00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:29,820 they made sure that we're walking with Him they made you 751 00:49:29,820 --> 00:49:33,840 know, Oh, yeah. Okay. It was an uncontrolled talent visit. Yes. 752 00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:37,920 Uncontrolled talent. It is uncontrolled money sucking of 753 00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:39,780 advertising to one side of the room 754 00:49:39,810 --> 00:49:44,010 or just you know what it was? Oh my god. Dave, you've hit on this 755 00:49:44,010 --> 00:49:47,520 is this is why there's two of us. So in addition to everything 756 00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:53,250 I said that the actual event itself was at least partially 757 00:49:53,250 --> 00:49:57,900 probably motivated by holy fuck balls. We can't have we can't 758 00:49:57,900 --> 00:50:01,020 have our money you know hanging out with that. ochre, which is 759 00:50:01,020 --> 00:50:06,720 kind of what it is, right? Yeah. Good analysis. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. 760 00:50:06,750 --> 00:50:07,800 Yeah, that makes sense. 761 00:50:08,370 --> 00:50:12,360 Hit clip hit. I think you understand now my clip, my clip 762 00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,610 numbering scheme where I started with zero instead of one. 763 00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,600 I played one. Okay, no, I played zero. I played zero. 764 00:50:18,690 --> 00:50:22,080 You meant one. Yeah, hit number one hit now hit the actual 765 00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:22,650 number one. 766 00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,350 Sorry, man. But that's that's not very podcast like to have a 767 00:50:25,350 --> 00:50:26,970 clip named zero binary, 768 00:50:27,180 --> 00:50:27,660 binary. 769 00:50:28,050 --> 00:50:30,120 They think that they're in the right. They think that they're 770 00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,270 doing the right thing. They think that either on an 771 00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:36,330 ideological level that Ben's presence does cause harm, which 772 00:50:36,330 --> 00:50:38,850 is what they said, so I don't have to, I don't have to guess 773 00:50:38,850 --> 00:50:41,100 that. That's what they think it's what they said, We're 774 00:50:41,100 --> 00:50:44,340 dangerous. We cause harm just by being present, that we cause 775 00:50:44,340 --> 00:50:47,280 pain that we'll be with you always, or it's just a 776 00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,310 calculated business decision. In which case, it's even worse. 777 00:50:50,370 --> 00:50:53,730 Candidly, the owner of Podcast Movement, who I spoke to twice, 778 00:50:53,850 --> 00:50:57,270 told me that he shares my politics largely. It makes it 779 00:50:57,270 --> 00:51:01,590 even worse in a calculated cowardly business decision to be 780 00:51:01,590 --> 00:51:07,110 more afraid of the woke mob than you are of hearing your own 781 00:51:07,110 --> 00:51:11,040 voice speak bigotry out into the world, even against people you 782 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:15,150 claim to agree with. Politically the whole thing is absolutely 783 00:51:15,150 --> 00:51:15,780 disgusting. 784 00:51:16,110 --> 00:51:19,080 You know, now that you framed it that way for me, Dave I now I'm 785 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,020 like, Man, you just yelling the wind about say this was about 786 00:51:22,020 --> 00:51:25,950 money, bro. Y'all knew why you were there. You knew bu Ben 787 00:51:25,950 --> 00:51:29,820 would press some flash with some some some money dudes. Yeah, 788 00:51:29,820 --> 00:51:33,660 this makes sense. Now that's why they're all good. Well, 789 00:51:34,169 --> 00:51:39,689 that clip right there. I think that's to me, the veiled. This 790 00:51:39,689 --> 00:51:46,589 one slightly veiled phrasing of, you know what? You This was a 791 00:51:46,589 --> 00:51:50,849 business decision. It wasn't honest. And you he talks a 792 00:51:50,849 --> 00:51:53,549 little bit more in this interview about how the the 793 00:51:53,549 --> 00:51:56,519 origin tweet, evidently I can't find it anymore. I wish somebody 794 00:51:56,519 --> 00:51:59,339 would find this thing for me because I would enjoy looking at 795 00:51:59,339 --> 00:52:04,679 it. The the original tweet that spawned this whole thing. And 796 00:52:04,679 --> 00:52:07,349 I'm glad, by the way, I'm glad that we took some time to sort 797 00:52:07,349 --> 00:52:12,689 of digest this new hot take. Because 798 00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,020 you are so the opposite of what I view as a hot take. 799 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:23,880 That's what my wife calls me. But we, because I think we have 800 00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,420 more clarity on it now. But it's because he said, I would love to 801 00:52:27,420 --> 00:52:30,600 see this original tweet, because he mentioned something like, you 802 00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,200 know, the podcast movie responded to this one tweet that 803 00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:38,580 had non followers or something. Yeah, this is a real problem 804 00:52:38,970 --> 00:52:45,300 that may be beginning to manifest itself with either this 805 00:52:45,300 --> 00:52:50,400 event or just recently, where so you know, the social media 806 00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:54,030 companies, Twitter and everybody have set themselves up with an 807 00:52:54,030 --> 00:52:58,590 editorial role. They've done that over the past five years, 808 00:52:59,070 --> 00:53:04,020 where they are now firmly established as editors of the 809 00:53:04,020 --> 00:53:08,490 content that is contained on their platform. Once you 810 00:53:08,490 --> 00:53:13,440 establish that you are in an editorial role. If you allow 811 00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:19,350 things on your platform that has actual damage, like monetary 812 00:53:19,350 --> 00:53:23,640 damages associated with it to a brand, whether it's a brand on 813 00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,520 the advertising side, or brand on the advertising money 814 00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:30,930 consumption side, it cuts both ways. brand safety goes in both 815 00:53:30,930 --> 00:53:34,980 directions. Daily wire, it takes advertising, advertising from 816 00:53:34,980 --> 00:53:37,740 whoever I don't listen to shows, but they take let's just say 817 00:53:37,740 --> 00:53:43,110 they take advertising from Bank of America. Well, there's two 818 00:53:43,110 --> 00:53:45,540 brands involved. There's Bank of America, and there's daily wire. 819 00:53:46,140 --> 00:53:50,190 If anything on Twitter's platform, if they allow content 820 00:53:50,190 --> 00:53:56,670 to stay up, that that is damaging to the brand of one or 821 00:53:56,670 --> 00:54:01,020 the other. And it's shown that that content was malicious or 822 00:54:01,020 --> 00:54:06,150 untruthful. That can be a real problem for not just for not 823 00:54:06,150 --> 00:54:09,420 just Twitter, but the brands that are involved. Like there 824 00:54:09,420 --> 00:54:15,120 can be monetary damages. I see that going bad quick. And if and 825 00:54:15,150 --> 00:54:19,500 to me, that's what he was kind of hinting at hinting at is that 826 00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,160 if you because he could play a play clip to that, which is 827 00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:27,240 actually clip through which the only satisfactory resolution for 828 00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:29,430 you with Podcast Movement at this point. 829 00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:33,960 I mean, at this point, I don't know. Certainly nothing short of 830 00:54:34,020 --> 00:54:39,330 deleting these bigoted tweets, apologizing for your bigotry 831 00:54:39,450 --> 00:54:45,570 with the same at least the same level of self effacing criticism 832 00:54:45,570 --> 00:54:49,170 and passion that you grovelled before the woke mob with I mean, 833 00:54:49,170 --> 00:54:51,360 I would think that if you actually are going to give that 834 00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,850 kind of five or six tweet apology, it should be for 835 00:54:53,850 --> 00:54:57,180 something you actually did wrong. And it was not wrong to 836 00:54:57,180 --> 00:54:59,970 let the sixth largest podcasting company in the country. 837 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,870 participate in your podcast conference, it was wrong to 838 00:55:03,870 --> 00:55:08,130 express abject bigotry against speech against Ben Shapiro, and 839 00:55:08,130 --> 00:55:11,250 to commit to Podcast Movement being a neutral conference. I 840 00:55:11,250 --> 00:55:14,130 mean, that's been my stance since the very first time that I 841 00:55:14,130 --> 00:55:17,910 spoke to anyone involved. That's what I've asked for. Today, 842 00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:20,400 would it be enough? I don't know. Right? I mean, they've had 843 00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,740 these tweets up there for so long now they've shown such 844 00:55:22,740 --> 00:55:25,980 disrespect. They obviously don't care. I don't know if it would 845 00:55:25,980 --> 00:55:27,720 be enough, but it would be a damn good start. 846 00:55:28,500 --> 00:55:30,600 What do you think this means for Podcast Movement, the 847 00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:34,530 conference, do you think it will have any impact on it, and you 848 00:55:34,530 --> 00:55:38,310 can stop it that the point there is that, you know, he's really 849 00:55:38,310 --> 00:55:40,500 focusing on you need to take these tweets down, they're 850 00:55:40,500 --> 00:55:45,390 bigots, they're bigoted, they're defamatory. The angle he's 851 00:55:45,390 --> 00:55:49,800 taking is that this causes them. This caused them damn real world 852 00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:54,510 material damage. And that, that's what's going to happen. 853 00:55:55,110 --> 00:56:00,060 I don't I mean, okay, so I know a little bit about Daly wires 854 00:56:00,060 --> 00:56:04,140 operation. They don't have they also don't have big national 855 00:56:04,140 --> 00:56:08,190 brands. I don't believe they have Bank of America. In fact, 856 00:56:08,190 --> 00:56:12,600 famously, Harry's razor pulled their advertising from daily 857 00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:16,950 wire and the Podcast Network. And that boring guy right away 858 00:56:16,950 --> 00:56:19,740 said, Okay, I'm starting the boring shaver company was quite 859 00:56:19,740 --> 00:56:22,530 a successful launch and PR campaign, I have no idea how 860 00:56:22,530 --> 00:56:28,440 it's going now. They are. These are like, you know, Shapiro was 861 00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:33,930 famous for segwaying into gold, you need to buy gold. These are 862 00:56:33,930 --> 00:56:39,930 not, these are not big brand names. And that's what the 863 00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:43,140 podcast industrial complex is after they're after the big the 864 00:56:43,140 --> 00:56:45,840 big names, the big money, the big spots, that's where all the 865 00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:52,320 money is you go big or go home. But if you're a podcaster, but 866 00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,750 certainly if you're a podcast consultant, I gave some advice 867 00:56:54,750 --> 00:56:58,740 in the last board meeting. It's like you can easily consult 868 00:56:58,740 --> 00:57:01,710 people on value for value. And it may come in handy if you 869 00:57:01,710 --> 00:57:06,000 start sharpening up those skills. Because I just It 870 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:11,160 started today. Now all of a sudden, I'm hearing Silicon 871 00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:19,500 Valley people and lawmakers, congressmen and women talking 872 00:57:19,500 --> 00:57:25,410 about the evil tick tock, tick tock has to be it's clearly a 873 00:57:25,410 --> 00:57:30,150 surveillance machine from the CCP. And I'm like, hold on a 874 00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:34,590 second. You're telling me now that suddenly there's consensus 875 00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:38,910 about something orange man said. Because this is this is Trump's 876 00:57:38,910 --> 00:57:48,900 thing. Like this stinks. And of course it does. Google. Of 877 00:57:48,900 --> 00:57:53,850 course, meta with Instagram, they are shitting themselves, 878 00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:58,080 the markets know it all the money. All the advertising money 879 00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:02,370 is going to Tik Tok. It's all funneling there and it's highly 880 00:58:02,370 --> 00:58:07,320 successful. It traps people It grabs them in the music business 881 00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:13,050 is in their Spotify, it should also pay attention. Tick tock I 882 00:58:13,050 --> 00:58:15,900 mean, he just some headlines have put a lot of them in the in 883 00:58:15,900 --> 00:58:21,150 the shownotes. Forbes tiktoks takeover of marketing and 884 00:58:21,150 --> 00:58:27,060 commerce in 2022. Google exec suggests here one is this from 885 00:58:27,060 --> 00:58:32,040 TechCrunch. And this is from July, Google execs execs suggest 886 00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:36,930 Instagram and Tiktok are eating into Google SCorp core products, 887 00:58:37,140 --> 00:58:41,760 Search and Maps. People are searching on Tik Tok for a 888 00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:47,040 restaurant and they're getting a cool tick tock video. I see so 889 00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:50,820 it's heading into search. Of course we know Instagram has 890 00:58:50,820 --> 00:58:54,780 issues. Now we get and this was the big news at the DEA 891 00:58:54,780 --> 00:59:02,190 Conference, which is where it got my attention. The the CEO of 892 00:59:03,750 --> 00:59:09,840 Axel Springer, huge media company said what do you say 893 00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:13,320 tick tock should be banned in every democracy? Yeah, sure. 894 00:59:14,100 --> 00:59:18,510 Eating his advertising dollar lunch. That's what's going on 895 00:59:18,510 --> 00:59:22,710 here. Now, check this out. Google. This is Bloomberg, 896 00:59:22,830 --> 00:59:28,740 Google and meta. Find video app success in India after Tik Tok 897 00:59:28,740 --> 00:59:36,450 is banned. Oh, you don't say. And then finally, the FCC 898 00:59:36,450 --> 00:59:42,510 commissioner. And I do not know I don't I looked and look at the 899 00:59:42,510 --> 00:59:48,960 background of Brendan Carr says Tiktok serious national security 900 00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:52,620 threat we have to take action. Well bullshit. First of all, I 901 00:59:52,620 --> 00:59:56,880 know firsthand it's LexisNexis that does all the signups and 902 00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:00,840 verification so you know pretty American. company that's in the 903 01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:01,500 middle there 904 01:00:01,890 --> 01:00:05,910 is a do that for tick tock there. Yeah, they do a different 905 01:00:05,970 --> 01:00:12,120 networks. So it's not just all CCP. Although, is it any better? 906 01:00:12,390 --> 01:00:16,500 No Oracle's in there, so okay, the CIA's in there. This is 907 01:00:16,500 --> 01:00:20,550 about Silicon Valley losing their lunch. And with it, some 908 01:00:20,550 --> 01:00:24,390 of the streamers are in trouble to the streaming platforms. So 909 01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:27,090 the first thing to get cut from the budget is going to be that 910 01:00:27,090 --> 01:00:31,200 complicated podcasting, because, you know, like, they got issues. 911 01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:35,100 And as you know, there's we had some diversity fight, and I 912 01:00:35,100 --> 01:00:37,650 don't really know, but yes, take them off the list. Let's double 913 01:00:37,650 --> 01:00:38,790 down the buy in tick tock. 914 01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:43,290 Yeah. Because that's, that's more the sure thing, of course, 915 01:00:43,290 --> 01:00:45,930 is you stay away from the kryptonite, as you said, 916 01:00:46,020 --> 01:00:50,100 and there's no you know, and, and, and the The Tick Tock algo 917 01:00:50,100 --> 01:00:54,540 is so highly tuned for you. I mean, I don't know if you're, if 918 01:00:54,540 --> 01:00:59,460 your kids have tick tock, but it's very addictive. It's really 919 01:00:59,460 --> 01:00:59,610 a 920 01:00:59,970 --> 01:01:02,760 very addict. I mean, they do have but I know 921 01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,880 grown. Man, I know, adults were like, Oh, check this shit out on 922 01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:06,420 tick tock 923 01:01:07,319 --> 01:01:10,619 refused install that crap. I cannot and we 924 01:01:10,620 --> 01:01:14,220 are a tick tock free home. So that 925 01:01:14,819 --> 01:01:18,929 you will and that, just to add to what you said, in the 926 01:01:18,929 --> 01:01:22,349 security world, this this past couple of weeks, there was a 927 01:01:22,349 --> 01:01:28,769 tick tock, quote, unquote, breach. That still doesn't. It's 928 01:01:28,769 --> 01:01:33,149 still not entirely clear. You know, people have come down and 929 01:01:33,149 --> 01:01:37,319 said, Okay, well, this is a fake breach. I'm still not sure. I 930 01:01:37,319 --> 01:01:42,299 mean, there's I don't know. But there was a suppose had like 2 931 01:01:42,299 --> 01:01:47,969 billion record user breach. Oh, from tick tock. I mean, there 932 01:01:47,999 --> 01:01:50,819 you're right. There's there's definitely some tick tock synth 933 01:01:50,909 --> 01:01:54,329 sintered outrage going on right now. 934 01:01:55,140 --> 01:01:59,070 And I'm sure that it's valid, but they're using that to get 935 01:01:59,070 --> 01:02:02,490 rid of it because they are just anyone who's in marketing go 936 01:02:02,490 --> 01:02:05,880 look around, let's, let's just be honest with each other. 937 01:02:06,180 --> 01:02:09,240 That's what this is about. Shit. Tick tock is eating our lunch. 938 01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:14,550 What do we have? Well, we have a brand safety and suitability. 939 01:02:15,660 --> 01:02:21,780 that'll sell. Yeah, but you're, you're dynamically inserted ads, 940 01:02:21,810 --> 01:02:27,780 I think the money's going to tick tock I just do. So luckily, 941 01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:35,370 value for value. You're soaking in it right now. We don't need 942 01:02:35,370 --> 01:02:38,640 any of this yet. We also don't need lists that we need to be 943 01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:43,380 on. We don't need to be on wholeness, we we need loops, not 944 01:02:43,380 --> 01:02:48,000 lists. Oh, that's a t shirt. Thank you. Feedback loops are 945 01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,930 the key, use the payment mechanism for the messaging. 946 01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:58,560 This is what works. Remember to ask loops, not lists. Lists are 947 01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:02,160 unimportant. You want to you want to have a loop with your 948 01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:06,060 audience. You want them to loop other people in, hopefully your 949 01:03:06,060 --> 01:03:09,600 loop can connect to another loop. Like Rogen, I we connected 950 01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:12,270 in the Rogen loop, even though he doesn't really do his loop. 951 01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:21,180 He's loop de loop. Loop. I got lost in the loop edge. But you 952 01:03:21,180 --> 01:03:25,320 know what I want, I'm saying there's like, it really does 953 01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:28,980 work when you commit to it. People are lazy, they've been 954 01:03:28,980 --> 01:03:32,730 hoodwinked into thinking you can go to a conference, and you'll 955 01:03:32,730 --> 01:03:36,720 come back with ways to make money on advertising. No. And 956 01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:40,890 there's no reason to most don't really deserve to make money. 957 01:03:41,250 --> 01:03:47,910 Unless it is earned from a loop earn from your community, then 958 01:03:47,910 --> 01:03:51,900 it's honest, it's sincere. It'll keep it keeps everybody in check 959 01:03:51,900 --> 01:03:53,460 the whole system works. 960 01:03:55,290 --> 01:04:01,320 Eric P just linked over to whitehouse.gov. Read Out of 961 01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,620 White House listening session on tech platform accountability 962 01:04:04,650 --> 01:04:07,560 through accountability September 8, it 963 01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:12,450 was yesterday. Although tech platforms can help keep us 964 01:04:12,450 --> 01:04:15,480 connected, create a vibrant marketplace of ideas and open up 965 01:04:15,510 --> 01:04:17,880 new opportunities for bringing products to the world. They can 966 01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:21,960 also divide us and wreak serious real world harms. Interesting. 967 01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:23,610 So this must be 968 01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:28,380 well they can and if you put a whole city into or a whole state 969 01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:32,970 into one square and let everyone talks equally as loud, we'd be 970 01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,790 massacre, of course to 971 01:04:36,060 --> 01:04:38,970 provide one of the principles provide robust federal 972 01:04:38,970 --> 01:04:42,240 protections for Americans privacy. There you go. There's 973 01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:46,170 your anti tick tock. Protect our kids by putting in place even 974 01:04:46,170 --> 01:04:48,450 stronger privacy and online protections for them. Yeah, this 975 01:04:48,450 --> 01:04:49,260 is all anti tic 976 01:04:49,260 --> 01:04:53,610 toc. Is this a? Is this just a report from the listening 977 01:04:53,610 --> 01:04:56,730 session? This is a precursor to legislation because it can't be 978 01:04:56,730 --> 01:04:59,100 executive order. It has to be legislation. 979 01:04:59,460 --> 01:05:01,920 And this is the Meeting this is the meeting for the Masons the 980 01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:03,510 breeding for the meeting. Okay, this, 981 01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:05,520 this is the setup. Yeah, 982 01:05:05,790 --> 01:05:08,970 remove number four remove special legal protections for 983 01:05:08,970 --> 01:05:11,100 large tech platforms. But just 984 01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,580 I just want people to realize the power that is being put into 985 01:05:14,580 --> 01:05:17,820 place here. This is Silicon Valley. They know exactly what 986 01:05:17,820 --> 01:05:21,660 they're doing. And they were completely new when Trump was 987 01:05:21,660 --> 01:05:25,740 talking about CCP these people are insincere full of shit. They 988 01:05:25,740 --> 01:05:31,800 want tick tock gone because tick tock is taking their money out 989 01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:34,260 and Tik Tok is great at it. That's the problem. 990 01:05:37,530 --> 01:05:40,380 Five is the increased transparency about platforms 991 01:05:40,380 --> 01:05:43,140 algorithms and content moderation decisions. Algorithm. 992 01:05:43,140 --> 01:05:49,020 Yep. Yeah, yes. As you go. Because the the pled detect it 993 01:05:49,020 --> 01:05:52,200 right. Do you talk to you about tick tock? It's, they're in love 994 01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:56,280 with algorithm. It's algo they've got the best algo Yeah, 995 01:05:56,310 --> 01:05:59,430 you know, yeah. And it's eaten everybody's lunch and they don't 996 01:05:59,430 --> 01:06:02,490 want. They don't they want to get rid of the algo. Or at least 997 01:06:02,490 --> 01:06:04,530 expose it so everybody else can do it, too. 998 01:06:04,830 --> 01:06:09,390 Exactly. I love it. Let's look at our own algo for a second. 999 01:06:09,390 --> 01:06:13,590 Thanks. Some of the live boosters we've had. coming in. 1000 01:06:13,710 --> 01:06:18,840 Boost. 1212 from anonymous, Adam and Dave are gonna save us from 1001 01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:25,170 the podcast industrial complex. Yes. The BSC Yes, indeed. Hard 1002 01:06:25,170 --> 01:06:31,320 Hat 11,111 Go podcast, podcast. Martin Linda's code. Wow. He 1003 01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:35,520 says with a row of ducks. 2222 I managed to send a booster gram 1004 01:06:35,820 --> 01:06:40,770 during live thanks pod verse row of ducks. Two, two 2.22 Satoshis 1005 01:06:40,770 --> 01:06:47,100 thanks from Martin. 1000 from Morris, thank you, Maura. It's 1006 01:06:47,100 --> 01:06:53,340 another 11,111 from Pfeiffer gratuitous Plug GO podcasting go 1007 01:06:53,340 --> 01:06:58,770 podcast. There's blueberry with 9999 Question been trying to 1008 01:06:58,770 --> 01:07:02,340 think of a way to list producer credits. Right now they're 1009 01:07:02,340 --> 01:07:05,130 listed on top of our weekly substack release. Is it possible 1010 01:07:05,130 --> 01:07:08,790 to list a producer and the role in a person tag? We tried 1011 01:07:08,790 --> 01:07:12,090 writing producers into the social interact tag, but besides 1012 01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:15,510 decide to post images and links to our T shirts there instead, 1013 01:07:15,900 --> 01:07:20,250 listen to exactly what the person tag is for. 1014 01:07:20,610 --> 01:07:25,440 Yeah, yeah, that's it, the person tag links to the podcast 1015 01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:29,760 taxonomy for the for the role and group. I'm trying to pull it 1016 01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:30,270 out. Now. 1017 01:07:30,390 --> 01:07:34,050 If you if you use sovereign feeds, just maybe just start a 1018 01:07:34,050 --> 01:07:38,130 test feed or import your existing one. You can go to cast 1019 01:07:39,390 --> 01:07:41,550 and you'll see and you can that's where you can enter 1020 01:07:41,550 --> 01:07:45,480 pictures of people on the show their roles, and it's very 1021 01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:46,200 extensive. 1022 01:07:47,100 --> 01:07:51,420 The full taxonomy list is on. You have creative director, 1023 01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:54,900 assistant director, executive producer producers, Senior 1024 01:07:54,900 --> 01:07:58,590 Producer, Associate Producer development producer. Yeah, all 1025 01:07:58,590 --> 01:08:02,370 that stuff's in there. You just need the roll and the grin and 1026 01:08:02,370 --> 01:08:03,540 possibly the group. 1027 01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:10,830 Chat F one on one on one. The Adam, are you going to are you 1028 01:08:10,830 --> 01:08:15,210 going on Tim cast to school them on the history of podcasting? 1029 01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:20,730 Brother. This is so dumb. I guess they had a conversation. 1030 01:08:20,730 --> 01:08:23,820 Oh, who started pie who was the first pie whatever the question 1031 01:08:23,820 --> 01:08:27,060 was, that was like, well, it was Adam curry. No, no, no, no, he 1032 01:08:27,060 --> 01:08:31,020 sold it to Apple. No, he's, I mean, this is this is the level 1033 01:08:31,020 --> 01:08:34,470 of it right? Like, and then I think II and a lot of people 1034 01:08:34,470 --> 01:08:37,050 want me to go on Tim, Tim Poole. But I think Tim Poole doesn't 1035 01:08:37,050 --> 01:08:43,290 like me and probably rightly so because I made fun of him. Just 1036 01:08:43,290 --> 01:08:43,770 like 1037 01:08:44,940 --> 01:08:48,420 Steve Jobs pay you for for podcasts as well as when you 1038 01:08:48,420 --> 01:08:49,170 already bought it for me 1039 01:08:49,170 --> 01:08:51,870 part of the agreement. I'm not allowed to say that. I sold it 1040 01:08:51,870 --> 01:08:53,700 to them. So that's that. Okay. 1041 01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:55,800 He gave you a national security. 1042 01:08:57,060 --> 01:09:04,440 I did. Blueberry 17,776 Big freedom boost. This is a new lit 1043 01:09:04,440 --> 01:09:10,800 son of a bitch. Okay. Oh, he got you. And that is except for some 1044 01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:15,840 smaller ones. There it is. Thank you very much for your live 1045 01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:17,730 booster which thanks some other people while we're at it. 1046 01:09:18,570 --> 01:09:21,360 Do Oh, is it that time there we already been talking for 1047 01:09:21,389 --> 01:09:25,439 Well, I mean, we solved three of the world's problems in the 1048 01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:29,189 first 30 minutes. I figured we thank everybody and then we can 1049 01:09:29,189 --> 01:09:30,719 solve some more world problems. 1050 01:09:30,780 --> 01:09:36,510 Sure. Let me flip over to the boost stay to the boost 1051 01:09:36,510 --> 01:09:38,970 dashboard. Also known as my email. 1052 01:09:39,210 --> 01:09:42,510 Nice dashboard. 1053 01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:47,909 Let's see later mommy. 1054 01:09:52,740 --> 01:09:53,850 Dashboard. 1055 01:09:56,130 --> 01:09:59,190 Some somehow just the word dashboard, it's just going to 1056 01:09:59,190 --> 01:10:04,710 screws it all up. Just like sad trumpet or whatever it is. 1057 01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:09,600 Because we flip through here and make sure I can find my starting 1058 01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:10,050 play. 1059 01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:11,580 I catch you off guard there Dave. 1060 01:10:11,700 --> 01:10:13,290 You caught me off guard. Oh, here we go. All right. 1061 01:10:13,650 --> 01:10:16,290 All right or one time. You know, it's like we're having a good 1062 01:10:16,290 --> 01:10:17,490 time. Right. 1063 01:10:18,060 --> 01:10:24,060 Liberty boost from sourced 1776 Thank you source Thank you. 8008 1064 01:10:24,060 --> 01:10:27,900 Boob donation from again from source he says calculate that 1065 01:10:31,350 --> 01:10:36,660 calculate gets you Okay, gotcha. Dubs. C dubs fire. 100. Fire. 1066 01:10:39,870 --> 01:10:43,500 Yeah, that's what that was about. 3333 from see Brooklyn 1067 01:10:43,500 --> 01:10:48,090 112 And no note 100,000 SATs from blueberry. 1068 01:10:48,180 --> 01:10:51,000 Ooh, nice. Thank you. Hey, says 1069 01:10:52,110 --> 01:10:54,930 this is air horn, air horn air horn. First things I asked 1070 01:10:54,930 --> 01:10:58,260 myself beginning of 2020 was what the hell is an RSS feed has 1071 01:10:58,260 --> 01:10:59,820 been a sick ride. Thank you both. 1072 01:11:00,570 --> 01:11:03,810 Wait ahead. I had a special one. I have a special air horn. AIR 1073 01:11:03,810 --> 01:11:05,280 HORN air horn. There you go. 1074 01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:13,860 See, some of these are overlap from the last show. I didn't 1075 01:11:13,860 --> 01:11:16,050 know where to start. I didn't know what the cutoff time was. 1076 01:11:16,110 --> 01:11:18,990 I'm sorry. i We should probably get out of that in the future. 1077 01:11:19,410 --> 01:11:24,000 We probably should I need to look at the clock. Oh, Billy. 1078 01:11:24,180 --> 01:11:28,470 Billy Bones. 3333 says thank you for creating podcasting. 2.0 1079 01:11:29,970 --> 01:11:33,690 Yes, thank you. Bhumi boom. You just sent us 10,000 SATs. donco 1080 01:11:33,690 --> 01:11:36,270 Thanks. Boom, duck. I'm good. I'm getting there with API 1081 01:11:36,270 --> 01:11:38,790 Bhoomi I'm getting there. It's going through 1082 01:11:40,140 --> 01:11:43,560 we will make it work harder. Boom a will put on a pizza under 1083 01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:44,220 the draw. 1084 01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:52,980 Blueberry send us 17 776 Super Liberty boost. And he says hello 1085 01:11:52,980 --> 01:11:54,570 Boosey ALAAP Hillman. 1086 01:11:57,570 --> 01:11:59,070 Right on Instagram. 1087 01:12:00,210 --> 01:12:04,980 He says Karen Karen for the mere mortals podcast and it's 100,100 1088 01:12:04,980 --> 01:12:08,640 says from curio caster. He says I've been blessed a special 1089 01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,100 number episode and at the time I can join I was actually 1090 01:12:11,100 --> 01:12:15,510 explaining podcasting 2.0 at a crypto meetup recently. And 1091 01:12:15,510 --> 01:12:18,150 people really got it when I related how splits can be used 1092 01:12:18,270 --> 01:12:21,300 for musicians and out to show them at the same time would be 1093 01:12:21,300 --> 01:12:28,830 amazing. Nice. streamers and dreamers. From sup sup yo, sup 1094 01:12:28,860 --> 01:12:33,900 3333 Blueberry against that. Adam, have you seen what Sir 1095 01:12:33,900 --> 01:12:37,950 bemrose wrote up? Playlists? A lot of these shows have their 1096 01:12:37,950 --> 01:12:41,850 own IRC room too. It's under playlist.no agenda. 1097 01:12:41,850 --> 01:12:44,490 stream.com/live-shows. 1098 01:12:45,780 --> 01:12:52,530 No, I have not no agenda stream.com/live shows dot htm 1099 01:12:55,080 --> 01:13:01,950 No, it's live dash shows slash await playlist I know agenda 1100 01:13:01,950 --> 01:13:09,270 stream.com/live-shows/why The two hour folk our slash 1101 01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:16,980 rock'n'roll pre show. It's just a schedule. Okay schedule when 1102 01:13:16,980 --> 01:13:17,880 all the shows come through. 1103 01:13:17,910 --> 01:13:21,870 All right. Well, let's see. Are we on the schedule? Friday? 1104 01:13:21,900 --> 01:13:26,490 Yeah, we're on the schedule, although it says 1700 So we're 1105 01:13:26,490 --> 01:13:30,990 really 730 Yeah, well, that's UTC. 1106 01:13:31,530 --> 01:13:34,170 That's old. Okay. Yeah, we're, we're, 1107 01:13:34,410 --> 01:13:38,550 we're on the schedule. Man. We matter of hours early. Yeah. All 1108 01:13:38,550 --> 01:13:40,500 right. Thanks. We're late every week. 1109 01:13:41,490 --> 01:13:45,150 Gene Everett says Happy hundo with 10,000 says thank you. 1110 01:13:45,210 --> 01:13:47,610 Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Mike. 1111 01:13:47,610 --> 01:13:53,460 Dale says he of blueberry sent us 1073 SATs through fountain 1112 01:13:53,460 --> 01:13:59,730 and he says congratulations on 100 episodes 73 d k, away. 73 d 1113 01:13:59,730 --> 01:14:01,350 k eight l m j 1114 01:14:01,770 --> 01:14:04,290 70. Threes kilo five Alpha Charlie Charlie 1115 01:14:05,940 --> 01:14:10,620 Ober citadel. 4949. No note. Thank you, Albert citadel. Oh, 1116 01:14:10,620 --> 01:14:12,570 wow, there's a string of these. He must have held down the 1117 01:14:12,570 --> 01:14:22,380 button. Because it's just like for enough, another 1/3 1456788 1118 01:14:22,740 --> 01:14:27,330 Bad Boys. I don't know. What is that? What? Eight times 4949 1119 01:14:29,550 --> 01:14:33,300 I have no idea. Should I be checking the channels for this 1120 01:14:33,300 --> 01:14:34,650 one? No, 1121 01:14:35,010 --> 01:14:39,510 that'll be yes, that bed is a lot Thank you over citadel. Wow. 1122 01:14:40,020 --> 01:14:44,550 Anonymous through cast emetics and it's 21,722 SATs and no 1123 01:14:44,550 --> 01:14:45,000 note. 1124 01:14:45,030 --> 01:14:47,910 Okay, but thank you anyway, I appreciate that. 1125 01:14:48,630 --> 01:14:55,020 We SuperCoder is what that is anonymous again 2223 to roadex 1126 01:14:55,020 --> 01:15:01,110 through cast ematic Thank you. Oh, Roy Schonfeld. Hi 3000 SATs 1127 01:15:01,740 --> 01:15:05,820 boost Whoa. That's off brand for him. 1128 01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:10,200 It is off brand. I was expecting some 54321 and he caught me off 1129 01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:10,440 guard. 1130 01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:12,419 I think we need to do a wellness check. 1131 01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:16,740 Well, no, no 100,000 SATs. That's well, he's well, 1132 01:15:16,770 --> 01:15:19,110 he's very well. Doing well and 1133 01:15:19,919 --> 01:15:24,239 100 100 episodes. Wow, mind blown. Thank you, Roy Roy. 1134 01:15:24,239 --> 01:15:29,219 Thanks, brother. Appreciate it, man. Sergeant apple. 1135 01:15:29,310 --> 01:15:31,950 i By the way, 100 guns. And thank you, Roy, thank you for 1136 01:15:31,950 --> 01:15:35,610 being a part of every single one in one way or the other. Breeze 1137 01:15:35,610 --> 01:15:40,230 even being on it. Yeah, yes. And Brees just being a phenomenal 1138 01:15:40,260 --> 01:15:41,490 piece of the puzzle here. 1139 01:15:42,510 --> 01:15:46,110 Sergeant Apple sent us 5000 SATs through fountain he says Happy 1140 01:15:46,110 --> 01:15:48,090 100 guys. Thank you Sarge. 1141 01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:51,420 Thank you. Sarge, 1142 01:15:51,810 --> 01:15:56,490 Mere Mortals. Karen and one over there son his 10,101 SATs and he 1143 01:15:56,490 --> 01:15:59,940 says amazing episode guys. V for V talk and a smooth Aussie 1144 01:15:59,940 --> 01:16:03,270 accent. What more could a listener want? By the way that 1145 01:16:03,270 --> 01:16:06,300 Jas ISO is my new favorite. You still get that? 1146 01:16:06,330 --> 01:16:13,800 Oh yes, yes, I do have it here. It's kind of cool. He's apple. 1147 01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:15,240 Come and talk to us, please. 1148 01:16:19,500 --> 01:16:22,890 Gene Everett 100,000 SATs through fountain at CES proper 1149 01:16:22,890 --> 01:16:25,770 show 100 booths cheers, Dave and Adam. Oh, thank 1150 01:16:25,770 --> 01:16:27,030 you, Jen. Cheers, cheers. 1151 01:16:28,890 --> 01:16:34,110 John cIgi 4761 SATs through the Python boost app of which he 1152 01:16:34,110 --> 01:16:37,920 built. He says Hi, Dave and Adam and listeners of podcasting. 2.0 1153 01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:40,920 Brian of London's Python example code with attitude helped me 1154 01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:43,530 make this booster grand possible. Oh feels like some 1155 01:16:43,530 --> 01:16:46,770 kind of hive mind and I dig it anyway. I encourage anyone that 1156 01:16:46,770 --> 01:16:49,080 isn't already listening to causality to visit engineer dot 1157 01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:52,140 network, because we analyze what went right and what went wrong. 1158 01:16:52,140 --> 01:16:54,300 And we discovered that many outcomes can be predicted 1159 01:16:54,510 --> 01:16:57,660 planned for and even prevented, and you to decide if the 1160 01:16:57,660 --> 01:17:01,560 listener that called me dreaming narrator was right or not. So 1161 01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:04,230 that's how you do weekly advertising on another. 1162 01:17:05,430 --> 01:17:08,580 And thanks for being on the show, man. It was fun. That was 1163 01:17:08,580 --> 01:17:09,120 a lot of fun. 1164 01:17:09,750 --> 01:17:13,530 Pirate huddle sent us 33 seats ready three fountain faces 1165 01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:15,150 belated Happy Birthday, Adam. 1166 01:17:15,210 --> 01:17:16,680 Oh, thank you. 1167 01:17:19,290 --> 01:17:23,220 I was expecting that'd be your 50 A Ryan's I am. Haven't seen a 1168 01:17:23,220 --> 01:17:24,720 5858 boost you 1169 01:17:25,290 --> 01:17:26,910 know No, it'll happen. 1170 01:17:27,870 --> 01:17:31,560 Mary Oscar also known as Oscar Mary says fell through fountain 1171 01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:33,900 Easton is 100,100 sets 1172 01:17:33,930 --> 01:17:35,190 nice. 1173 01:17:39,870 --> 01:17:43,350 And he says congrats Dave and Adam on 100 episodes. Apologies 1174 01:17:43,350 --> 01:17:45,480 to everyone listening on fountain for the recent issues. 1175 01:17:45,480 --> 01:17:49,050 Payment API's have now been refactored in boosts much 1176 01:17:49,050 --> 01:17:51,420 faster. Give it a try. Go podcasting. 1177 01:17:51,450 --> 01:17:57,240 Yeah, see, this is why this is why it didn't solicit 58 sat 1178 01:17:57,240 --> 01:18:01,140 boosts. You don't want to steer people in the wrong direction 1179 01:18:01,140 --> 01:18:03,480 when they're celebrating 100,000. 1180 01:18:05,610 --> 01:18:07,920 You You're what is known as a professional. 1181 01:18:08,460 --> 01:18:13,350 Well, I can consult because I'll consult you on how to do value 1182 01:18:13,350 --> 01:18:17,520 for value. I need to a hefty split in your blog, but I'll 1183 01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:17,940 take it 1184 01:18:19,980 --> 01:18:23,280 am still a Padawan I'm still a cricket and cricket, Auburn 1185 01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:30,090 Citadel cricket. In that where he takes the Kung Fu Show with 1186 01:18:30,090 --> 01:18:30,630 David. 1187 01:18:31,500 --> 01:18:37,290 Oh, Grasshopper, grasshopper. Grasshopper, where you can take 1188 01:18:37,290 --> 01:18:40,170 the pebbles from my hand at this time. You've grasshopper 1189 01:18:40,980 --> 01:18:43,650 over citadel 100,000 SATs and he said 1190 01:18:43,650 --> 01:18:45,450 I love boost. Yes. 1191 01:18:47,370 --> 01:18:50,850 And now as the French say it is timeful 1192 01:18:51,090 --> 01:18:57,600 reboost. That was our French guy doing Benjamin wish me happy 1193 01:18:57,600 --> 01:18:58,980 birthday Benjamin Bellamy. 1194 01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:00,990 He did. Oh, yeah. 1195 01:19:01,019 --> 01:19:05,849 I'm like any anybody else? I did. I just I 1196 01:19:05,940 --> 01:19:10,320 just kidding. Donkey sent us 100 SATs and he says exactly. 1197 01:19:10,350 --> 01:19:12,780 SoundCloud is a scam. Okay. 1198 01:19:13,019 --> 01:19:16,619 Okay. So Oh, it doesn't mean we can't be in on it. 1199 01:19:18,810 --> 01:19:24,420 If there's a good scam going join the party. Part B, send us 1200 01:19:24,420 --> 01:19:30,210 1500 says no, no, thank you. Part B. C dubs send us a few. 1201 01:19:30,210 --> 01:19:33,750 Oh, looks like they're testing stuff. I love this. Every week. 1202 01:19:33,750 --> 01:19:36,600 There's always a certain amount of boosts that come through. 1203 01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:39,450 They're like small amounts. There's like test you're getting 1204 01:19:39,450 --> 01:19:41,040 this Yeah, buddy. There 1205 01:19:41,070 --> 01:19:45,720 is yes. Integration test. Okay, it works. Yeah, those those are 1206 01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:46,320 pretty funny. 1207 01:19:46,530 --> 01:19:50,430 Just called boosting with testing with live money. Yeah. 1208 01:19:50,580 --> 01:19:55,830 Oh, McCormick. 1234 says I'm slowly pushing my musician 1209 01:19:55,830 --> 01:19:58,860 friends towards value for value in streaming sets. The intention 1210 01:19:58,860 --> 01:20:01,470 is there. It's just a matter of Time rocket ship heart. 1211 01:20:02,909 --> 01:20:04,049 rocket ship heart. 1212 01:20:05,070 --> 01:20:08,850 Ajax J Jackson School of podcasting the Hall of Famer 1213 01:20:08,850 --> 01:20:12,240 sent us 5000 SATs no note all bomber wanted to know from Dave. 1214 01:20:12,540 --> 01:20:18,330 Dave. mega boost 22 to 22 through cast ematic anonymous no 1215 01:20:18,330 --> 01:20:20,040 note and that was twice 1216 01:20:20,789 --> 01:20:21,809 hit the duck for 1217 01:20:26,940 --> 01:20:31,590 blueberry again blueberry dominating the boards today 333 1218 01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:38,820 Just paging see dubs don't just these nerve boost these laughs 1219 01:20:38,850 --> 01:20:41,520 since 383 sets and he just says boost. 1220 01:20:41,820 --> 01:20:42,720 Alright man. Thank you. 1221 01:20:44,580 --> 01:20:50,550 Sir Shawn McEwen, the dissident yinzer What that means the 1222 01:20:50,550 --> 01:20:51,660 dissident answer? 1223 01:20:52,230 --> 01:20:55,260 Why no idea what that means? Cool. 1224 01:20:55,830 --> 01:21:01,830 Cast cast medics and it's 100,000 sets bomb show is happy 1225 01:21:01,830 --> 01:21:04,380 100th Emacs and Vyas code boosting, 1226 01:21:04,740 --> 01:21:07,740 man Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I want to defragment you 1227 01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:17,430 Brian mozzie sent us 100,000 SATs also. Congratulations 1228 01:21:17,430 --> 01:21:20,250 episode 100. Thank you for your courage and thank you for all 1229 01:21:20,250 --> 01:21:22,680 you do for all your contributions to making 1230 01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:23,520 podcasting better. 1231 01:21:23,550 --> 01:21:28,320 Thank you. And I'm so blown away by these 100,000 sat boosts. Me 1232 01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:33,300 too. Yeah. And it and it's not so much the amount of money it's 1233 01:21:33,300 --> 01:21:36,270 the fact that people put thought into it. Hey, I'm gonna do 1234 01:21:36,270 --> 01:21:39,360 something special a little extra. And you express it that 1235 01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:41,160 way and everybody's happy. 1236 01:21:42,330 --> 01:21:46,860 That's the numerology the cast ematic I think Franco I think he 1237 01:21:46,860 --> 01:21:50,760 had a bug in the last version, because he released it. And all 1238 01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:55,770 of a sudden, the boost amounts were only in hold dollar value, 1239 01:21:55,770 --> 01:21:58,170 or almost give me whole set value. So I can only do like 1240 01:21:58,530 --> 01:22:00,390 5200 or 5300 i 1241 01:22:00,450 --> 01:22:02,610 Oh, you couldn't do your 2112 1242 01:22:03,030 --> 01:22:07,410 I couldn't end it. Oh, man. It was like, I was like, no, no, 1243 01:22:07,440 --> 01:22:09,360 I've gone in in a fixed it. 1244 01:22:10,020 --> 01:22:14,460 I've gone stock to 10,000 just as a boost. 25,000 for 1245 01:22:14,460 --> 01:22:17,460 Bookstagram. And it's really brought my boosting back a bit. 1246 01:22:18,510 --> 01:22:20,100 Oh, that's a good idea. Just take 1247 01:22:21,090 --> 01:22:23,610 meaningful I really mean if I'm gonna send you something within 1248 01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:25,260 25,000 SATs because I mean, 1249 01:22:26,070 --> 01:22:28,890 that's a good one. It's good way to do it. Chris, you know, send 1250 01:22:28,890 --> 01:22:35,820 us 5000 SATs through pod verse, no message the SLC send us 12345 1251 01:22:35,820 --> 01:22:39,810 And he says he or she says I'm a big fan of alternatives. Thank 1252 01:22:39,810 --> 01:22:42,300 you for your courage. Make kids trade on V for V 1253 01:22:42,330 --> 01:22:46,320 Yes. No kidding. Oh, I've got one. 1254 01:22:49,980 --> 01:22:53,280 I'll go and read this with surgeon 100 SATs in the morning. 1255 01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:56,850 Congratulations of show 100 David Adam. Thank you. Thank 1256 01:22:56,850 --> 01:22:59,130 you. 1483 1257 01:22:59,879 --> 01:23:02,729 We're reading under under 1000 Again, 1258 01:23:03,209 --> 01:23:05,909 well, I'm not it's just there was a few notes. 1259 01:23:06,030 --> 01:23:08,070 I was also 100 Okay, yes cool. 1260 01:23:08,099 --> 01:23:12,899 Let's get 114 83 from Deelen through fountain nap. No, no 1261 01:23:12,899 --> 01:23:16,979 thank you. 1234 from calm McCormick again. He says I 1262 01:23:16,979 --> 01:23:19,979 believe in podcasting. I believe in the people I believe 1263 01:23:19,979 --> 01:23:21,419 allegiance to the namespace. 1264 01:23:27,450 --> 01:23:30,540 See, 1000 says from chyron Milmore mere mortals. He says 1265 01:23:30,540 --> 01:23:32,490 I'm testing out I'll be on pod verse. Enjoy. 1266 01:23:32,519 --> 01:23:34,949 Yeah, thank you. Joy. Yes, yes. I'm 1267 01:23:34,950 --> 01:23:38,850 gonna enjoy testing with cash. Always good plant. 1268 01:23:40,230 --> 01:23:42,270 Well makes you think about your bugs, doesn't it? 1269 01:23:43,019 --> 01:23:48,989 It does. 47,099 says through from Brian of London and the 1270 01:23:48,989 --> 01:23:53,249 hive Dao Hey, hi verse. He says this donation is in honor of my 1271 01:23:53,249 --> 01:23:56,699 youngest son's surfing boy. Who will be BarMitzvah tomorrow. 1272 01:23:56,789 --> 01:23:58,379 Mazel Tov to surfing boy. 1273 01:23:58,530 --> 01:24:04,920 Oh hold on a second. For the surfing boy Ba ba ba ba ba ba ba 1274 01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:07,980 ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba 1275 01:24:07,980 --> 01:24:12,570 ba surfer 1276 01:24:12,570 --> 01:24:18,510 bird surfer Okay, mazel tov. Surfing boy. Comic Strip 1277 01:24:18,510 --> 01:24:24,000 blogger, the delimiter 15,033. SAS, Barry is he says, howdy, 1278 01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:27,300 David. Adam, please enter AI cooking in your browser for 1279 01:24:27,300 --> 01:24:31,620 podcatcher to chillax with silky voice of His Majesty. Gregory 1280 01:24:31,620 --> 01:24:34,620 William forced that Foreman from Kitt. jibber jabbering about 1281 01:24:34,620 --> 01:24:36,270 artificial intelligence. Yo. 1282 01:24:37,650 --> 01:24:43,080 Thank you CSD. All right value for value, you know how it 1283 01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:46,980 works. Whatever you think this is worth, you're spending your 1284 01:24:46,980 --> 01:24:53,070 time put it into into some numbers and get a podcast app a 1285 01:24:53,070 --> 01:24:56,400 new podcast apps.com and send us a boosted gram. Let us know what 1286 01:24:56,400 --> 01:25:00,450 you think. Let us know why you think it's valuable and That's 1287 01:25:00,450 --> 01:25:05,250 the beauty of it you get to determine and we get to continue 1288 01:25:05,250 --> 01:25:08,130 doing this. Another week we appreciate it. We also have 1289 01:25:08,130 --> 01:25:08,730 monthlies. 1290 01:25:09,570 --> 01:25:12,930 We got some monthlies, also known as the excruciatingly slow 1291 01:25:12,930 --> 01:25:19,650 t shirt layaway plan. David meet us $10. Just maraca $5 Cameron 1292 01:25:19,650 --> 01:25:27,000 rows $25 Jeremy new $5 Lauren ball $24.20 pod verse $50. Thank 1293 01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:30,990 you pod verse. Mitch Downey, who is also part of five verse $10. 1294 01:25:31,170 --> 01:25:35,490 And Christopher hyperbaric $10, that's our monthly good group. 1295 01:25:35,519 --> 01:25:37,679 Thank you all very much. But not just a good group, a good 1296 01:25:37,679 --> 01:25:41,489 looking group and beautiful group, you could support us, as 1297 01:25:41,519 --> 01:25:45,599 with any of the aforementioned new podcast apps, also you can 1298 01:25:45,599 --> 01:25:49,199 go to podcast index.org Go down to the bottom Big Red donate 1299 01:25:49,199 --> 01:25:52,199 button if you want to give us Fiat fun coupons through Paypal 1300 01:25:52,199 --> 01:25:56,729 or credit card, you can use that there or scan the QR codes on 1301 01:25:56,729 --> 01:25:59,639 chain or lightning, of which no one has made any use this week, 1302 01:26:00,029 --> 01:26:05,609 or last week. And the week before we did have one. glad 1303 01:26:05,609 --> 01:26:09,149 everyone's said we should do that. Hey, man, you should put 1304 01:26:09,149 --> 01:26:11,969 up a pay on chain I'll pay on Joan, 1305 01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:18,840 can we just just eradicate the word should from podcasting? 2.0 1306 01:26:19,559 --> 01:26:20,429 It's gonna be hard. 1307 01:26:20,460 --> 01:26:24,810 It's gonna be hard. Anytime somebody says is something you 1308 01:26:24,810 --> 01:26:26,460 know, some blah, blah, blah. You should. 1309 01:26:26,490 --> 01:26:27,840 Yeah, that's when I tune out. 1310 01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:29,370 Yeah, I'm like, okay, whatever. 1311 01:26:29,519 --> 01:26:32,549 I was like, No, okay. No, I'm alright. 1312 01:26:35,550 --> 01:26:40,710 Do okay, there's an ISO in there it says Name That dude. I want 1313 01:26:40,710 --> 01:26:44,670 you to just play this. And I want you to tell me, do you 1314 01:26:44,670 --> 01:26:45,660 think this is? 1315 01:26:46,530 --> 01:26:52,830 Can you imagine? Can you imagine? 1316 01:26:55,590 --> 01:26:56,310 Gosh, 1317 01:26:56,790 --> 01:26:58,050 I don't know. Dave. 1318 01:26:59,340 --> 01:27:02,820 Does it sound like does it not sound exactly like Tom woods? 1319 01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:05,160 Can you imagine? 1320 01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:09,060 It has a bit of the cadence. It's not his tone or Tom. But I 1321 01:27:09,060 --> 01:27:14,610 also thought for a second and might be is it Justin, the guy 1322 01:27:14,610 --> 01:27:16,140 from disaffected? 1323 01:27:17,010 --> 01:27:21,720 No, this is that Jeremy boring guy. But he introduced sounded 1324 01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:25,140 so much like Tom woods to me when I was looking. Oh, it 1325 01:27:25,140 --> 01:27:27,990 seems like he would be a music guy at Mises Institute 1326 01:27:27,990 --> 01:27:32,400 libertarian grovel. Yeah. Yeah, you probably listened to Tom 1327 01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:38,190 woods. There you go. That was fine. That's fine. 1328 01:27:39,390 --> 01:27:44,160 I've got I've got a I've got a little bit here about what NPR 1329 01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:49,440 thinks. Thinks about podcasters. Oh, listen to that. Yes. 1330 01:27:49,470 --> 01:27:53,670 I'd love to. I'd love to listen to that. Yeah. Where is it? Oh, 1331 01:27:53,670 --> 01:27:55,650 NPR. I got you. Oh, 1332 01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:59,190 but then you also do get in podcasting. As was the case in 1333 01:27:59,190 --> 01:28:03,180 blogging, a certain amount of grifting. And people who stuff 1334 01:28:03,180 --> 01:28:08,430 is kind of gross as well as just people who aren't following. I 1335 01:28:08,430 --> 01:28:10,650 don't know the rules that you would want them to follow? 1336 01:28:16,470 --> 01:28:20,610 If we want them to follow the rules? Oh, yeah, you know, the 1337 01:28:20,610 --> 01:28:21,360 rules, you'd want 1338 01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:21,990 them to follow 1339 01:28:22,230 --> 01:28:28,350 it. What's so fun about the cancelling of podcasts is that 1340 01:28:29,190 --> 01:28:33,330 it's ineffective. He people go, Oh, I'm gonna take it off Apple, 1341 01:28:33,330 --> 01:28:37,050 Spotify, and maybe, but the only way to effectively really 1342 01:28:37,050 --> 01:28:41,460 effectively do it is to go to the host. And that's gonna be 1343 01:28:41,460 --> 01:28:44,820 fun. That's going to be fun in the future to see how hosts 1344 01:28:44,820 --> 01:28:48,420 really react when you're really under fire. We haven't seen that 1345 01:28:48,420 --> 01:28:51,720 yet. Because the people who do cancellation they're too stupid 1346 01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:55,590 to figure it out. I don't quite know. I mean, they, they'll send 1347 01:28:55,590 --> 01:29:00,930 us to get it out of the index. Take it down. Suddenly, but it 1348 01:29:00,930 --> 01:29:01,530 happens, 1349 01:29:02,040 --> 01:29:07,170 the hard hat this week. And I will read the words of heart and 1350 01:29:07,440 --> 01:29:12,000 I will read the words of hard hat. On the index. He said on 1351 01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:15,180 the index Mastodon, he said someone should be able to go to 1352 01:29:15,180 --> 01:29:19,320 a podcast website, like women maybe. And from the web edit 1353 01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:25,860 flayer generate a key. Sorry. I think he's I think he's 1354 01:29:25,860 --> 01:29:29,970 referring to your, your correct analysis that women you. 1355 01:29:30,630 --> 01:29:33,090 I'm sorry, ad sales department. 1356 01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:39,000 What the hell did y'all say? I think he is referring to your 1357 01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:44,010 correct assertion that women use they listen to podcasts on 1358 01:29:44,010 --> 01:29:48,930 websites, a lot of players. Yes. Okay. So let me let me rephrase. 1359 01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:52,890 Someone should be able to go to a podcast website, like women 1360 01:29:52,890 --> 01:29:56,280 maybe and from the embedded player generate a QR code which 1361 01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:59,550 they can scan with a lightning wallet to boost the podcast. 1362 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,640 Oh, I like that too. That says I'd like that idea. 1363 01:30:03,420 --> 01:30:07,860 Yeah, so this is a valid use case for 1364 01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:09,420 Ellen. Ellen URL. 1365 01:30:09,450 --> 01:30:17,160 Eleanor LP. Yeah. But, but you don't want that. You don't want 1366 01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:23,130 that to be like the primary method like it. So this this led 1367 01:30:23,130 --> 01:30:26,820 me down the rabbit hole of should there be an alternative 1368 01:30:26,820 --> 01:30:32,400 method you just said should not I'm talking to the universe. Oh, 1369 01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:38,460 okay. Could Okay, could 1370 01:30:44,820 --> 01:30:49,410 could there be an alternative method in the value blog where 1371 01:30:49,410 --> 01:30:52,470 you could say, Okay, here's the primary method keys and here's 1372 01:30:52,470 --> 01:30:56,490 an old here's the alternative or sort of fallback method? Ellen, 1373 01:30:56,490 --> 01:31:03,180 your OP. Because you'd want to have both, sometimes under 1374 01:31:03,180 --> 01:31:06,900 certain situations. Maybe. 1375 01:31:08,370 --> 01:31:13,230 I don't know, man, the Ellen URL mafia just pissed me off with 1376 01:31:13,230 --> 01:31:16,140 this approach. I'm like, why would I help those guys with 1377 01:31:16,140 --> 01:31:18,120 anything? They don't care? They just want it in there. They're 1378 01:31:18,120 --> 01:31:20,520 not going to develop they're not going to do anything. I can do 1379 01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:21,060 anything. 1380 01:31:21,750 --> 01:31:25,650 And the lazy ass bitches we got. So like, if we're doing their 1381 01:31:25,650 --> 01:31:29,250 job for them. Yeah, exactly. And that just there's still ways 1382 01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:29,910 you're sure 1383 01:31:29,910 --> 01:31:32,280 you're sure that you'd have this that you know that okay, well, 1384 01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:35,880 all right. We're good to put it in. Man. We'll promote it. I 1385 01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:39,600 love I love what we put together Dave, the only person who has to 1386 01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:41,100 work as you unfortunately. 1387 01:31:41,490 --> 01:31:45,480 But when we tell and the lb paper the lb guys are 1388 01:31:45,809 --> 01:31:48,989 we this is what's so beautiful. You know, it's like hey, let's 1389 01:31:48,989 --> 01:31:51,659 do it. We'll we'll talk about it. We'll point people towards 1390 01:31:51,659 --> 01:31:56,099 it get it going. Where most people fall away with their 1391 01:31:56,099 --> 01:31:57,899 criticism or their shoulds. 1392 01:31:58,590 --> 01:32:04,710 Well, my Bhumi Michael from Albie, emailed me this morning 1393 01:32:04,710 --> 01:32:10,200 and said they have their their key send address format down. So 1394 01:32:10,230 --> 01:32:12,450 now everybody who has an lb address, 1395 01:32:12,540 --> 01:32:15,150 oh, this direct key sent out to US Customs? 1396 01:32:15,690 --> 01:32:20,010 Yeah, the will if if you use your day that get or like for me 1397 01:32:20,670 --> 01:32:24,780 b.com Okay, yeah, we can now resolve that to a tee send 1398 01:32:24,780 --> 01:32:29,190 address. sweet vanilla. And instead of a invoice 1399 01:32:30,210 --> 01:32:33,090 you get are both 11 Are we I love it. I love it. 1400 01:32:33,630 --> 01:32:39,150 In the it resolves to David get ab.com goes to get lb.com/dot 1401 01:32:39,150 --> 01:32:43,680 Well dash known slash key send slash Dave. And so it's not just 1402 01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:44,190 a test. 1403 01:32:44,220 --> 01:32:48,330 It's not just a text file that has the JSON in or something. 1404 01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:51,810 Yeah, exactly. And it's got. But the cool thing here is it's got 1405 01:32:51,810 --> 01:32:54,360 there and it's got the node and it's got the custom key custom 1406 01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:55,290 value for the routing. 1407 01:32:55,320 --> 01:32:59,100 Oh, cool. Excellent. So you can do it. Oh, nice. 1408 01:32:59,940 --> 01:33:03,090 So just pop that into your well that you know, the apps will 1409 01:33:03,090 --> 01:33:07,170 need to support it will need to know that exists. So if they see 1410 01:33:07,170 --> 01:33:10,560 a lightning address, they can look for that now. And love it a 1411 01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:11,700 cash ID or whatever. 1412 01:33:12,540 --> 01:33:13,080 I love it. 1413 01:33:13,650 --> 01:33:16,770 Yeah, I'm glad that he just did it. Yeah. Because if you go 1414 01:33:16,770 --> 01:33:19,350 petition the lab they're never gonna give you there. They're 1415 01:33:19,350 --> 01:33:20,100 just gonna talk that 1416 01:33:20,100 --> 01:33:22,830 man we got to be careful. These Germans man, you know, they may 1417 01:33:22,830 --> 01:33:25,590 be here to take over the world. And before wake up one day we're 1418 01:33:25,590 --> 01:33:29,790 speaking Deutsch. I thought the French were going to do it for a 1419 01:33:29,790 --> 01:33:34,530 minute there was Benjamin Ah, I know how podcasting. 2.0. And as 1420 01:33:34,530 --> 01:33:37,380 usual, the French and the Germans will go to war together. 1421 01:33:38,040 --> 01:33:43,920 No, yeah. The front and then the French will call us and we'll 1422 01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:52,560 get involved. The SSC. So the XMPP stuff? Yes. This needs to 1423 01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:53,460 be discussed. 1424 01:33:54,360 --> 01:33:57,600 Yeah. Yes. I think we need to bring some people on into the 1425 01:33:57,600 --> 01:33:59,190 board meeting to discuss this. 1426 01:34:00,270 --> 01:34:03,420 He think we need to bring I'm thinking Alex. Yes. Alex for 1427 01:34:04,020 --> 01:34:07,350 maybe Mitch because he's already doing Yeah, right. He's already 1428 01:34:07,350 --> 01:34:10,710 putting IRC into the interface. Hmm. 1429 01:34:10,890 --> 01:34:13,920 I think Alex and Mitch would. I think we need to bring in the 1430 01:34:14,820 --> 01:34:16,830 thing we need to bring in the XMPP. Committee. 1431 01:34:17,580 --> 01:34:24,300 Oh, yes. The XMPP committee. Tat the XMPP Task Force. Task Force 1432 01:34:24,300 --> 01:34:28,740 striking. No, no steering committee. Now like 1433 01:34:28,740 --> 01:34:31,050 striker team better. Guns. 1434 01:34:31,380 --> 01:34:37,770 Oh, yes. All right. It's like, Hey, welcome to the XMPP 1435 01:34:37,770 --> 01:34:42,390 StrikeForce here's your gear. And I've been tested for you. It 1436 01:34:42,390 --> 01:34:43,590 works fine. Perfect. 1437 01:34:43,830 --> 01:34:45,480 Mitch. Mitch safety. 1438 01:34:46,890 --> 01:34:49,260 Hey, get that get that booger finger off that trigger? 1439 01:34:51,690 --> 01:34:57,990 Well, because I've got it I'm clip heavy. Today I'm dominated 1440 01:34:57,990 --> 01:35:02,070 with clips here. I want to play this Is it because this is 1441 01:35:02,070 --> 01:35:05,790 relevant to this discussion, current play karmic capability 1442 01:35:05,790 --> 01:35:07,140 versus destination? 1443 01:35:07,500 --> 01:35:11,010 So we were talking about that back in the Doom and Quake days 1444 01:35:11,010 --> 01:35:14,460 about how do you wind up with an interconnected set of worlds 1445 01:35:14,460 --> 01:35:17,910 that you kind of visit from one to another. And as web pages 1446 01:35:17,910 --> 01:35:21,270 were becoming a thing, you start thinking about how what is the 1447 01:35:21,300 --> 01:35:25,260 interactive kind of 3d based equivalent of this? And there 1448 01:35:25,260 --> 01:35:29,670 were a lot of really bad takes you had like, verbal been I've 1449 01:35:29,700 --> 01:35:32,820 Virtual Reality markup languages. And there's aspects 1450 01:35:32,820 --> 01:35:36,450 like that, that that came from people saying, well, what would 1451 01:35:36,480 --> 01:35:40,770 what kind of capabilities should we develop to, to enable this, 1452 01:35:40,980 --> 01:35:44,160 and that kind of capability first, work has usually not 1453 01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:48,390 panned out very well. On the other hand, we have successful 1454 01:35:48,390 --> 01:35:51,120 games that started with things like Doom and Quake and 1455 01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:54,750 communities that formed around those and whether it was server 1456 01:35:54,750 --> 01:35:57,810 lists in the early days, or literal portaling between 1457 01:35:57,810 --> 01:36:01,680 different games, and then modern things that are on completely 1458 01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:04,560 different order of magnitude, like Minecraft and fortnight 1459 01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:09,630 that have 100 million plus users. I'm, you know, I still 1460 01:36:09,630 --> 01:36:12,900 think that that's the right way to go to build the metaverse is 1461 01:36:13,020 --> 01:36:15,690 you build something that's amazing that people love and 1462 01:36:15,690 --> 01:36:18,810 people wind up spending all their time in, because it's 1463 01:36:18,810 --> 01:36:22,290 awesome. And you expand the capabilities of that, even if 1464 01:36:22,290 --> 01:36:26,460 it's a very basic experience, as long as Minecraft is Minecraft 1465 01:36:26,460 --> 01:36:30,930 is amazing case study, and so many things were able to be done 1466 01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:35,010 with that is really enlightening. And there are 1467 01:36:35,010 --> 01:36:38,850 other cases where like, right now Roblox is basically a game 1468 01:36:38,850 --> 01:36:42,030 construction kit aimed at kids. And that was capability first 1469 01:36:42,030 --> 01:36:45,660 play, and it's achieving scale that's on the same order of 1470 01:36:45,660 --> 01:36:49,950 those things. So it's not impossible, but my preferred bet 1471 01:36:49,950 --> 01:36:52,710 would be you make something amazing that people love and you 1472 01:36:52,710 --> 01:36:53,910 make it better and better. 1473 01:36:55,860 --> 01:37:00,360 Yes, so he's talking about building to a capability versus 1474 01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:06,540 building to a destination, or a board or product. And I think 1475 01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:10,800 that's relevant to the work that we're doing, you know, here with 1476 01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:14,310 everybody, everybody building things here in podcasting. 2.0. 1477 01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:19,560 You know, he's, he's right, that there is a danger of building 1478 01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:22,440 towards a capability, you say, Okay, we want to be able to do 1479 01:37:22,440 --> 01:37:26,160 this thing. Now, let's build a spec. And then the products will 1480 01:37:26,160 --> 01:37:29,880 follow. And I think we've probably been more successful 1481 01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:34,680 than we otherwise would have. As a project. I agree. Yeah. Maybe 1482 01:37:34,740 --> 01:37:38,310 maybe because of luck and pent up demand. But there will be a 1483 01:37:38,490 --> 01:37:41,040 in the reason I'm bringing this up now is because when it comes 1484 01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:45,570 to chat, live chat. I think this will become a problem if we 1485 01:37:45,570 --> 01:37:49,860 don't do this. Right. And this is why I've been a little I've 1486 01:37:49,860 --> 01:37:53,880 been a little hesitant to even start, because what you have is 1487 01:37:53,880 --> 01:37:59,280 an existing, you have you don't have a lot of shows that do live 1488 01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:04,620 chat. Very, very few actually. Yeah, very few you. You've got 1489 01:38:04,650 --> 01:38:08,190 with Node and Node industry, ATP. 1490 01:38:08,700 --> 01:38:15,510 Now, let me say upfront that what I'm looking for is doing 1491 01:38:15,510 --> 01:38:19,350 this with video. Because that's where that's what people are 1492 01:38:19,350 --> 01:38:24,930 looking to bail from YouTube. Right. And there's, there's a 1493 01:38:24,930 --> 01:38:28,260 pent up demand for that. So existing. I mean, it there's 1494 01:38:28,260 --> 01:38:29,850 never really been this infrastructure. So we're 1495 01:38:29,850 --> 01:38:33,510 building something that really works for few existing shows 1496 01:38:33,510 --> 01:38:35,970 what I want to actually I think in the value for value model 1497 01:38:35,970 --> 01:38:40,890 works very well look at Spencer's stuff and blueberry 1498 01:38:40,890 --> 01:38:44,970 and I mean, no agenda stream in general, you know, like 1499 01:38:44,970 --> 01:38:47,760 everyone's boosting around the doing all kinds of stuff. That's 1500 01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:51,660 all based on a lot of live. There's there's a lot of shows 1501 01:38:51,660 --> 01:38:56,520 that take place live through no agenda stream. But the 1502 01:38:56,520 --> 01:39:02,460 opportunity is the people who are doing stuff live on YouTube, 1503 01:39:02,460 --> 01:39:05,850 they have stream yard, they want to add something, you know, and 1504 01:39:05,850 --> 01:39:09,120 that we have the feedback loop. If it was just a way to stream 1505 01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:11,820 to an app, I don't think we'd get any uptake because there's 1506 01:39:11,820 --> 01:39:15,990 the ability to have the booster grams. That's why this is I 1507 01:39:15,990 --> 01:39:19,650 think there's a perceived demand for this. 1508 01:39:21,090 --> 01:39:25,890 Yes, yeah. Yeah, I can see which I see what you're saying. 1509 01:39:25,890 --> 01:39:30,360 Because you you have so you need the whole thing. You need the 1510 01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:36,240 whole stack you do and the stack already exists in certain 1511 01:39:36,240 --> 01:39:42,180 places. The challenge is to package the stack in a way that 1512 01:39:42,240 --> 01:39:45,780 it's portable, where other people can do it without it 1513 01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:49,740 breaking their back, like technology wise and effort wise, 1514 01:39:49,770 --> 01:39:55,620 right. And so, if you but you also have to at the same time, 1515 01:39:55,950 --> 01:40:00,960 not build a whole new stack in force the exists Getting people 1516 01:40:00,990 --> 01:40:06,000 to adopt that stack are great. Like, because what you don't 1517 01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:11,040 want is to say, Okay, well, Fun Fact Friday, ATP, no agenda. 1518 01:40:11,910 --> 01:40:13,860 We're all going to do this thing. And we've built this 1519 01:40:13,860 --> 01:40:18,030 great thing. We've integrated XMPP into all the apps. So it's 1520 01:40:18,030 --> 01:40:20,850 great. I'll just y'all just all get rid of your IRC chat and 1521 01:40:20,850 --> 01:40:23,550 getting switched to XMPP. Correct. You don't want to do 1522 01:40:23,550 --> 01:40:26,670 that. You don't want yeah, that's built that's building to 1523 01:40:26,670 --> 01:40:30,270 a capability and not to an existing destination. pletely 1524 01:40:30,270 --> 01:40:30,690 agree. 1525 01:40:31,680 --> 01:40:37,110 And if we do good, no, don't go ahead, please, if we do both, is 1526 01:40:37,320 --> 01:40:40,590 generally where I think we've had success as a project. 1527 01:40:41,190 --> 01:40:46,410 Because people, there's always one part of podcasting, people 1528 01:40:46,410 --> 01:40:50,070 know that's built, it's this pushing things into the existing 1529 01:40:50,100 --> 01:40:54,660 stack, like, I'm thinking about the boost bot work. And 1530 01:40:55,290 --> 01:40:58,590 people using its people is driven by users driven by 1531 01:40:58,590 --> 01:40:59,610 applications. 1532 01:41:00,030 --> 01:41:02,640 Yeah, they're like, we already have this thing, we just want to 1533 01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:05,460 stick this, we just want to put this new thing into our existing 1534 01:41:05,460 --> 01:41:09,240 thing. To plug that in, right. And then there's this other 1535 01:41:09,270 --> 01:41:15,840 part, that would be sort of like Spurlock and Alex, who are 1536 01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:20,910 building to a capability and saying, okay, that thing that 1537 01:41:20,910 --> 01:41:26,610 already exists, doesn't scale, it's not going to do the thing 1538 01:41:26,610 --> 01:41:31,890 that you want it to do. And so we, if you want to go to the 1539 01:41:31,890 --> 01:41:35,220 next level, you need this other thing, and here's that thing, 1540 01:41:35,220 --> 01:41:39,420 we're gonna give it to you. And you really have, when they're 1541 01:41:39,450 --> 01:41:43,350 when both have existed, there's been a lot of success there. And 1542 01:41:43,350 --> 01:41:45,990 I think we can do the same thing, I think we have to do the 1543 01:41:45,990 --> 01:41:50,820 same thing with live chat, we have to support we have to, we 1544 01:41:50,820 --> 01:41:55,380 have to integrate the two XMPP, to me, is clearly superior to 1545 01:41:55,380 --> 01:41:59,940 IRC for many reasons, when it comes to being able to do multi 1546 01:41:59,940 --> 01:42:06,300 app chat, but also, you just, it's just not realistic to make 1547 01:42:06,300 --> 01:42:10,230 people switch off RC. So there needs to be there needs to be 1548 01:42:11,190 --> 01:42:16,770 gateways there or linkage there between the two, where they can 1549 01:42:16,770 --> 01:42:25,980 coexist. So that so that we have even the framework or mind a 1550 01:42:25,980 --> 01:42:28,980 mental model of how to design this live chat tag, 1551 01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:34,860 I completely agree. That's an to me, that's the only way to go. 1552 01:42:34,950 --> 01:42:39,420 From what I understand there's a way to bridge XMPP to IRC, and 1553 01:42:39,450 --> 01:42:42,750 what I don't find acceptable as well, you know, that's going to 1554 01:42:42,750 --> 01:42:46,380 be a pain in the ass for people with IRC servers, I think I 1555 01:42:46,380 --> 01:42:49,680 think you make that happen, you know, if you really want to do 1556 01:42:49,680 --> 01:42:53,340 this, then you'll figure out how to get the bridge in, I think it 1557 01:42:53,340 --> 01:42:56,430 was like, that should be the only concession for the IRC 1558 01:42:56,430 --> 01:43:00,600 users. You may have to you have to might have to snap into 1559 01:43:00,600 --> 01:43:02,910 bridge or something that shouldn't be, you know, we do it 1560 01:43:02,910 --> 01:43:06,000 once 90% of the people using it can do it. 1561 01:43:07,140 --> 01:43:11,730 And that's what I'm thinking about for the for the tag. So 1562 01:43:11,730 --> 01:43:15,210 you know, we ship the tag, at some point, we say, Okay, here's 1563 01:43:15,210 --> 01:43:17,610 the attributes, here's all the ways the tag is going to 1564 01:43:17,610 --> 01:43:22,050 describe where the IRC chat lives, or whatever this chat is, 1565 01:43:22,050 --> 01:43:26,460 you know, whatever this thing is, where it lives in then, if 1566 01:43:26,460 --> 01:43:30,330 it's IRC, there's also this recommendation that says, Okay, 1567 01:43:30,330 --> 01:43:34,740 now go, you know, you need an XMPP bridge. Here it is. Yeah, 1568 01:43:34,740 --> 01:43:37,560 and you can plug that in, and you're good. You're then you're 1569 01:43:37,560 --> 01:43:43,440 good to go. Love, love. Yeah, it can't just be the tag. But we 1570 01:43:43,440 --> 01:43:46,050 also have to know what the other thing what the other component 1571 01:43:46,050 --> 01:43:48,840 is, is going to be before we can create the tag because otherwise 1572 01:43:48,840 --> 01:43:51,390 you'll have you'll have fast implement the tag. Yeah. 1573 01:43:53,520 --> 01:44:00,150 Sounds good. Right, you got me you got me. 100% on that 100 was 1574 01:44:00,150 --> 01:44:01,500 100 at one time. 1575 01:44:05,850 --> 01:44:07,050 That was easier. That's all it was? 1576 01:44:08,340 --> 01:44:15,810 No, not at all. No, no, ma'am. After after, you know, have we 1577 01:44:15,810 --> 01:44:22,800 been together? 35 years, I think. I think we figured out 1578 01:44:22,800 --> 01:44:24,150 you know, we know how to work with each other. 1579 01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:27,750 You know, all my favorite recipes, shall we? 1580 01:44:28,110 --> 01:44:30,720 Should we call this? This meeting adjourned? 1581 01:44:31,410 --> 01:44:34,170 I've got an I've got a nice so I don't know. It'd be a 1582 01:44:34,170 --> 01:44:34,830 disappointment. 1583 01:44:35,880 --> 01:44:39,300 After that jolly old punch line. Probably. Let's see. What do you 1584 01:44:39,300 --> 01:44:42,240 got on the podcaster? Okay, 1585 01:44:42,270 --> 01:44:48,840 I'm a podcaster. Ah, little flat. Flat, 1586 01:44:49,200 --> 01:44:52,860 just a little flat. Brother. This was good. I have to go back 1587 01:44:52,860 --> 01:44:55,380 and listen and figure out all the things we solved. I know we 1588 01:44:55,380 --> 01:44:56,250 saw something 1589 01:44:57,000 --> 01:45:00,300 we did. Maybe more than one thing but maybe Good, 1590 01:45:01,469 --> 01:45:04,019 buddy, thank you so much for supporting us with the value for 1591 01:45:04,019 --> 01:45:07,109 value. Have a great weekend. We'll be back next week with the 1592 01:45:07,109 --> 01:45:10,109 board meeting of podcasting 2.0 1593 01:45:25,590 --> 01:45:30,150 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast 1594 01:45:30,150 --> 01:45:32,790 index.org for more information. 1595 01:45:32,850 --> 01:45:43,470 I'm a podcaster All right, 1596 01:45:43,890 --> 01:45:48,090 all right, ending the stream shit, man. We I seriously, I 1597 01:45:48,090 --> 01:45:50,220 have to go back and listen. I don't remember all the things 1598 01:45:50,220 --> 01:45:54,270 that we fixed but we fixed them. So proud of us. 1599 01:45:55,410 --> 01:45:56,820 We faced him by accident. I 1600 01:45:57,420 --> 01:46:01,020 really don't know what happened. But we did something. I remember 1601 01:46:01,020 --> 01:46:02,700 the feeling. I remember liking the feeling. 1602 01:46:03,990 --> 01:46:06,390 I'm kind of the same way this is I don't know. It's like, 1603 01:46:06,420 --> 01:46:11,850 overcast and gloomy here and Oh, really? Yeah. But I'm like, I'm 1604 01:46:11,850 --> 01:46:14,310 kind of in a fog and light. Yeah, we did some cool stuff. 1605 01:46:14,460 --> 01:46:17,940 We didn't just don't remember what it was. Alright, man, I'll 1606 01:46:17,940 --> 01:46:21,960 get this up and out ASAP. Bro. I'm headed back to work. And 1607 01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:23,490 have a great weekend. Dave. Man