1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,020 You can step over the body. Adam curry, John C. 2 00:00:04,019 --> 00:00:08,279 Dvorak and Sunday July 21 2019. This is your award winning get 3 00:00:08,279 --> 00:00:11,699 my nation media assassination episode 50 Saturday This 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:13,020 is no agenda. 5 00:00:14,730 --> 00:00:18,480 Machine learning my way through algo school and broadcasting 6 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,420 live on the frontier of Austin, Texas capital the Berlin star 7 00:00:21,420 --> 00:00:24,000 staying in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam curry 8 00:00:24,030 --> 00:00:27,690 and from Northern California where we're waiting the female 9 00:00:27,690 --> 00:00:34,170 Thor and hoping for the male Aphrodite. I'm John C. Dvorak. 10 00:00:34,860 --> 00:00:35,550 Raglan 11 00:00:35,550 --> 00:00:36,360 Buzzkill. 12 00:00:37,980 --> 00:00:41,280 This is rather interesting as I checked into the chatroom of 13 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:45,180 trolls today, and all I can see is them talking about some 14 00:00:45,180 --> 00:00:48,330 character and it's going to be a woman and this is what's going 15 00:00:48,330 --> 00:00:50,640 on and was pissed off what is happening. 16 00:00:52,230 --> 00:00:57,510 Apparently, Natalie Portman is going to be the female for 17 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,170 everyone's all upset about this. 18 00:01:01,740 --> 00:01:04,950 Well, it's not as stupid as anything I've ever heard of. But 19 00:01:04,950 --> 00:01:10,920 okay, let's just make a female Hulk, then you're talking? And 20 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:12,360 actually that'd be more believable. 21 00:01:13,980 --> 00:01:17,280 And isn't there like a bad woman or something else? It's just 22 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:17,760 everyone's 23 00:01:18,090 --> 00:01:19,470 was a lot of bad women. 24 00:01:19,530 --> 00:01:28,050 Yeah. I'm just surprised like, of all the things to care about 25 00:01:28,050 --> 00:01:33,480 in the world. This is not high on the list now. But I've seen 26 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,900 this go on for at least a while I got bumped off of course 27 00:01:36,900 --> 00:01:39,660 because my Wi Fi problem but it's just been ongoing like 28 00:01:39,660 --> 00:01:41,460 we're no good. puka 29 00:01:43,590 --> 00:01:47,100 cares is garbage. Garbage movies. Yeah. 30 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:49,980 They're fun to watch on the airplane. 31 00:01:51,090 --> 00:01:54,900 Well, I don't know about that. I think nothing hold on airplane 32 00:01:54,900 --> 00:01:59,610 viewing. My experience. Nothing holds a candle to the Fast and 33 00:01:59,610 --> 00:02:00,270 Furious. 34 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:07,470 Yeah. And there's always eight of them to watch. So it's great. 35 00:02:07,500 --> 00:02:10,260 This new ones? Oh, how did I catch? 36 00:02:10,829 --> 00:02:14,339 I was on a plane once sit next to somebody and I was trying to 37 00:02:14,339 --> 00:02:18,179 watch some, you know, semi good movie. And the person next to me 38 00:02:18,179 --> 00:02:22,259 is watching Fast and Furious Five or someone and I couldn't 39 00:02:22,259 --> 00:02:27,329 keep my eyes off their screen. Exactly. So I had to put it on. 40 00:02:28,920 --> 00:02:33,360 Well, this brings me to some unscientific research I've been 41 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:38,280 doing about the use of closed captioning amongst millennials 42 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:39,960 and Generation Z. 43 00:02:40,260 --> 00:02:43,740 Yes, we got some notes about this. I got a number of 44 00:02:43,740 --> 00:02:48,840 notes. I did some informal polls over at no agenda social.com I, 45 00:02:49,170 --> 00:02:52,500 you know, been hunting around people giving me unsolicited 46 00:02:52,500 --> 00:02:55,200 feedback, which is always nice. And really it comes down to 47 00:02:55,920 --> 00:03:01,200 three people are blaming it or attributing it to three 48 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:05,100 different things. And I have three emails that I've just 49 00:03:05,100 --> 00:03:09,810 picked out here that says JV I watch everything with the carbon 50 00:03:09,810 --> 00:03:20,160 cat that carbon caption. There's a new one there you go carbon 51 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:26,640 captions that's perfect. I use watch everything with closed 52 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:30,000 caption slash subtitles mostly due to decades of frustrating 53 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,780 sound mixing movies and modern shows are mixed with wide 54 00:03:33,780 --> 00:03:36,960 dynamic range room shaking explosions and gunshots are 55 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,390 immediately followed by characters whispering important 56 00:03:39,390 --> 00:03:43,170 plot details. Game of Thrones does this but it's nothing new. 57 00:03:43,380 --> 00:03:46,560 Also, like many millennials, I grew up with a big family 58 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,500 stuffed in a small home and I've lived with roommates ever since. 59 00:03:49,710 --> 00:03:52,500 Anytime there would be a siren or scream or anything else 60 00:03:52,500 --> 00:03:55,080 unpleasant. My mom would burst through the door and told me the 61 00:03:55,080 --> 00:04:02,820 baby was trying to sleep. So these are two these are these 62 00:04:02,820 --> 00:04:07,500 are two, two together, one and that I got a lot of people 63 00:04:07,500 --> 00:04:11,370 saying hey, you know they're mixing it wrong. The problem is 64 00:04:11,430 --> 00:04:16,350 trying to jam Dolby 5.1 through stereo speakers, and therefore 65 00:04:16,350 --> 00:04:20,340 the balance is off. There may be I think there's some validity to 66 00:04:20,340 --> 00:04:21,090 that part. 67 00:04:21,180 --> 00:04:24,000 Oh, I agree. I think there's plenty of validity to that. 68 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,210 That's one of the reasons you have to take things into your 69 00:04:27,210 --> 00:04:29,490 own hands and you've got to either pull back on some of 70 00:04:29,490 --> 00:04:33,360 these processing systems like Dolby go to straight stereo, 71 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:37,860 there's ways around it. I mean, you're just running amok with 72 00:04:37,860 --> 00:04:39,900 just letting whatever happens to happen to zip through with a 73 00:04:39,900 --> 00:04:43,200 couple of squeaky speakers on the TV. Yeah, you're asking for 74 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,780 trouble. I agree with that. 100% Yeah, so 75 00:04:45,810 --> 00:04:48,900 that seems that there there's a real issue there and I don't 76 00:04:48,900 --> 00:04:54,450 I've really never interested in it very interested in surround 77 00:04:54,450 --> 00:04:58,680 sound and when it comes to television, never really set one 78 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:02,190 I've I think I've had one of the has been a thing. So I just 79 00:05:02,190 --> 00:05:06,390 don't care. For me, it's just I turned it up and then I can hear 80 00:05:06,390 --> 00:05:10,110 everything. There's now now we get into some interesting areas 81 00:05:10,140 --> 00:05:14,910 accents. This is from Jay every single time I watch TV with 82 00:05:14,910 --> 00:05:17,610 people under 30. They have the closed caption on I don't 83 00:05:17,610 --> 00:05:20,910 understand it either. I get it when it's something British and 84 00:05:20,910 --> 00:05:25,170 they can't understand access, but it's always on. I dated a 85 00:05:25,170 --> 00:05:29,400 gal who was 28 and I tried watching Emily with her with 86 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,220 captions on because it's in France, and she fell asleep 87 00:05:32,220 --> 00:05:35,370 instantly. It was weird because growing up, we could focus on 88 00:05:35,370 --> 00:05:38,280 the film and follow along with the translation. But for her, it 89 00:05:38,280 --> 00:05:41,250 was like catnip, every single other thing she wanted to have 90 00:05:41,250 --> 00:05:43,890 the captions on for it was infuriating. Luckily, that 91 00:05:43,890 --> 00:05:51,210 relationship failed pretty fast. Okay. There's one other thing 92 00:05:51,210 --> 00:05:56,910 there's a new disorder that has not been codified yet in the DSM 93 00:05:56,940 --> 00:06:03,270 five or no, but it is a real thing. And it's only the true 94 00:06:03,270 --> 00:06:06,660 cause is not known, although I have some thoughts and that's 95 00:06:06,930 --> 00:06:13,950 auditory processing disorder. And this is closely related to 96 00:06:13,980 --> 00:06:20,040 ADHD and a DD both attention deficit disorders. And what 97 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:24,690 happens is you can hear perfectly well, but you are 98 00:06:24,690 --> 00:06:29,490 unable to process it. Your brain is either unable or slow at 99 00:06:29,490 --> 00:06:34,020 processing what the sounds are and turning them into words. 100 00:06:34,620 --> 00:06:39,480 Now, and I want to say up front that I grew up with subtitles. 101 00:06:39,870 --> 00:06:45,420 Dutch television had English movies, they'd play the English 102 00:06:45,420 --> 00:06:48,000 soundtrack and they would translate in Dutch it was very 103 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,640 professionally done. They had hundreds of people working at 104 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:55,800 the state run subtitling organization and I learned to 105 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,620 deal with them perfectly well to ignore them while I'm while I'm 106 00:06:58,650 --> 00:07:01,680 while I was watching television. I think it also helped a lot of 107 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:06,090 people learn English extremely well, versus Germany, where they 108 00:07:06,090 --> 00:07:10,830 always did an overdub. But the auditory processing disorder, I 109 00:07:10,830 --> 00:07:15,240 think, is something that comes from people who already have a 110 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,650 potential deficit disorder because a lot of feedback that I 111 00:07:19,650 --> 00:07:25,200 received said, Well, I really can't focus on the movie or the 112 00:07:25,230 --> 00:07:28,350 whatever's on the television the whole time. And I look at my 113 00:07:28,350 --> 00:07:31,920 phone, I'm, you know, the people are distracted. This is 114 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,650 something we know the young people often wake up in the 115 00:07:34,650 --> 00:07:37,710 middle of the night just to check their phone. So there's a 116 00:07:37,710 --> 00:07:41,610 distract. And also second screen, I guess, to a degree, 117 00:07:41,610 --> 00:07:44,160 it's like, oh, let me look up that actor, what's he doing? You 118 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,380 know, what's what's going on? Is someone tweeting about this 119 00:07:46,380 --> 00:07:49,230 particular show that I'm watching. And because of that, 120 00:07:49,230 --> 00:07:52,770 many people have said, well, they're really helpful, because 121 00:07:52,770 --> 00:07:54,960 I can just, you know, I can catch up real quick. And so I'm 122 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,600 looking at my phone, I Oh, I just can I can, I can follow 123 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,870 along just by darting back and forth and reading the subtitles. 124 00:08:01,380 --> 00:08:03,870 And I posit to you, as my research, 125 00:08:04,380 --> 00:08:07,080 as it my budget alert. My 126 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,590 posit to you, as I as my research will continue in this 127 00:08:10,590 --> 00:08:17,040 regard, is that because of the lazy use of subtitles, whether 128 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:22,860 it's to hear things that were drowned out by sound effects and 129 00:08:22,860 --> 00:08:28,440 music, whether it's to instead of really focus on what's 130 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,190 happening with an accent and try and your brain can parse things 131 00:08:32,190 --> 00:08:34,590 from all the information, oh, he's in this situation, he's 132 00:08:34,590 --> 00:08:36,780 there, he might have said something like this was 133 00:08:36,780 --> 00:08:42,060 something I didn't understand that people's brains have become 134 00:08:42,270 --> 00:08:47,250 lazy. And just like you have someone who may be blind, their 135 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:52,080 auditory skills increased astronomically. And vice versa. 136 00:08:52,230 --> 00:08:56,070 People who are deaf can often see things much clearer or at 137 00:08:56,070 --> 00:08:59,220 least they processed the information in different way. So 138 00:08:59,220 --> 00:09:03,720 the pause that I have, is because of the you know, some of 139 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,510 the reasons that people have resorted to closed captioning 140 00:09:06,510 --> 00:09:10,620 and their abundant availability now due to the American with 141 00:09:10,620 --> 00:09:15,060 Disabilities Act, etc. that the brain is starting to lose some 142 00:09:15,060 --> 00:09:18,960 of that auditory processing power. Because I have asked 143 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,530 people Okay, turn them off and Heidi do it's like I really 144 00:09:22,530 --> 00:09:25,920 can't handle it anymore. I need the closed captions. I can't 145 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:30,360 follow along. And I It sounds to me like what a deadly says you 146 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,930 said it sounded like, what's the little Woodstock from Charlie 147 00:09:33,930 --> 00:09:40,830 Brown can't really process the audio. So I would say we have 148 00:09:40,830 --> 00:09:45,990 possibly auditory processing disorder being created by use of 149 00:09:45,990 --> 00:09:46,800 closed captioning, 150 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:54,240 which will counter that, okay. Most of these kids, and I would 151 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,790 question any one of them that have this problem, especially 152 00:09:56,790 --> 00:10:03,660 with the Woodstock phenomenon. What To Look, do they ever go to 153 00:10:03,660 --> 00:10:09,450 music concerts? Yep. To music concerts are over amped. They're 154 00:10:09,450 --> 00:10:12,900 way above the legal limits of X number of decibels. I think 100 155 00:10:12,900 --> 00:10:16,590 is the max and these things hit 141 50. Many of them come home 156 00:10:16,590 --> 00:10:19,920 with ringing ears, they're all making themselves deaf at these 157 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:24,120 concerts. Very rarely do any of them have the wherewithal to 158 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,780 wear ear protection. They don't know that. And for example, in 159 00:10:27,780 --> 00:10:31,740 California, all the bars in California that have bands in 160 00:10:31,740 --> 00:10:36,000 the bars, they are required to have ear protection behind the 161 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,330 counter that you can ask for, and you get it for free. Nobody 162 00:10:39,330 --> 00:10:41,790 wears this stuff. And they just listen to this music at these 163 00:10:41,790 --> 00:10:46,920 outrageous decibel levels, which was started in the 60s with the 164 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:51,150 Marshall amp and bands like blue cheer and others. And now 165 00:10:51,150 --> 00:10:53,100 they're all deaf. And that's why they can't hear anything. I 166 00:10:53,100 --> 00:10:56,280 don't blame him for bringing up the campus captions, because 167 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,610 they're all going to be wearing your hearing aids destiny, your 168 00:10:59,610 --> 00:11:02,370 investment of the 21st century hearing aids. 169 00:11:02,399 --> 00:11:06,029 Well, I'll add to that, because I'm not opposed to this theory. 170 00:11:06,329 --> 00:11:11,759 I would add to that the incessant overuse of air pods 171 00:11:11,759 --> 00:11:16,379 which are hanging in their ears all day long. Now, I don't know 172 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,999 if that can cause damage, necessarily, but we're sure and 173 00:11:21,809 --> 00:11:26,219 sound injection, but it also changes your auditory 174 00:11:26,519 --> 00:11:30,089 processing. Because once it's further away, you're not used to 175 00:11:30,089 --> 00:11:33,299 that anymore. People listen to podcasts. Thank God listening to 176 00:11:33,299 --> 00:11:37,229 podcasts, they turn on the microphone function so they can 177 00:11:37,229 --> 00:11:40,199 hear whatever's going when they just to keep the earbuds in I'm 178 00:11:40,199 --> 00:11:44,219 taking a phone call. They're in continuously all day long, and 179 00:11:44,219 --> 00:11:48,749 they're intended that way. I think once you then remove that, 180 00:11:49,409 --> 00:11:54,029 from the direct ear canal, it may that it may be still I'm 181 00:11:54,029 --> 00:11:56,099 gonna come down to a processing issue. I don't know if it's 182 00:11:56,099 --> 00:11:59,999 actual hearing damage could be maybe it's a combination, but we 183 00:11:59,999 --> 00:12:04,619 need to research further. So I will keep my lab coat on. 184 00:12:05,429 --> 00:12:09,899 Yes, please. Go. Lot of hearing damage going on. I was through I 185 00:12:09,899 --> 00:12:14,399 saw somebody the other day somebody roaming around a store 186 00:12:14,399 --> 00:12:17,789 with the ear buds, those hanging things as Little Apple ones, the 187 00:12:17,789 --> 00:12:20,639 little white ones. That's the ones the air pods. And they 188 00:12:20,639 --> 00:12:26,699 looked like they were zombies. Goo Yes, good. We're changing 189 00:12:26,699 --> 00:12:30,419 the subject could go into goo keyword goo. So I've got this 190 00:12:30,419 --> 00:12:34,319 little battery that I found and I'm charging it but I realize is 191 00:12:34,319 --> 00:12:37,319 one of these, one of these devices. And I have a bunch of 192 00:12:37,319 --> 00:12:40,469 these things that everybody does. And I'm not the only one 193 00:12:40,469 --> 00:12:44,249 has noticed this because this stuff has been around this goo 194 00:12:44,249 --> 00:12:48,269 has been around for at least almost 20 years. And I'm talking 195 00:12:48,269 --> 00:12:51,839 about the soft spray that they put over devices. It's like a 196 00:12:52,019 --> 00:12:57,029 slightly rubbery compound that they spray on top of a cool so 197 00:12:57,029 --> 00:13:00,209 she had a nice cool feels like it gives you a instead of a hard 198 00:13:00,209 --> 00:13:04,139 plastic you get this kind of rubbery soft little coating that 199 00:13:04,139 --> 00:13:04,679 they put on 200 00:13:04,680 --> 00:13:06,150 what what would I find this on I'm 201 00:13:06,150 --> 00:13:09,420 not sure I know a lot of stuff, you just you find it again, 202 00:13:09,420 --> 00:13:13,260 you'll find it when it's over 10 years old, it turns to goo Oh 203 00:13:13,290 --> 00:13:16,650 Dickey, and he got this sticky goo all over at the end you 204 00:13:16,650 --> 00:13:19,770 can't get it off, you have to take some solvent and maybe 205 00:13:19,770 --> 00:13:22,830 maybe it'll come off you can kind of scrape it off with your 206 00:13:22,830 --> 00:13:30,180 thumbnail is when and I had like a Sony da T player that was 207 00:13:30,180 --> 00:13:32,400 coated in this old felt so professional all 208 00:13:33,780 --> 00:13:35,160 the professional coding 209 00:13:35,730 --> 00:13:39,000 professional coding and then now it's like sticky you can 210 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,820 actually you know if you grab it, it's like it sticks. 211 00:13:42,270 --> 00:13:45,300 We find this mainly on electronic devices is that we 212 00:13:45,300 --> 00:13:47,610 find a lot of this this coding a lot a 213 00:13:47,610 --> 00:13:50,820 lot of electronic devices you find on this battery pack that I 214 00:13:50,820 --> 00:13:52,470 have which was a high end battery. 215 00:13:52,740 --> 00:13:55,590 John is be honest, is there a problem with your real doll that 216 00:13:55,590 --> 00:13:56,700 you want to tell us about? 217 00:13:58,050 --> 00:14:01,380 No, it's not even the same type of substance. This is some 218 00:14:02,430 --> 00:14:06,900 reliably informed well I'm pretty sure this is always black 219 00:14:06,930 --> 00:14:10,650 as always black I've never seen this in any other color. Dark 220 00:14:10,680 --> 00:14:14,790 you know just perfectly pitch black and it's that it was used 221 00:14:14,790 --> 00:14:18,960 and used and used because it was so cool. I surprised you haven't 222 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:19,860 run into this. 223 00:14:20,250 --> 00:14:24,900 I have I think but it's been a while. I mean I don't really 224 00:14:24,930 --> 00:14:27,840 have any stuff that's I don't know 225 00:14:27,870 --> 00:14:31,470 when they stopped I think they backed off on it but that's why 226 00:14:31,500 --> 00:14:34,680 I haven't noticed this for a while too. I found this battery 227 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,790 which had this stuff all over and this batteries is sticky and 228 00:14:38,790 --> 00:14:42,990 gooey. And it's got this this stupid coating on it that 229 00:14:42,990 --> 00:14:45,150 somebody decided was a good idea 230 00:14:45,210 --> 00:14:47,790 doesn't seem like you to not at least know the name of the 231 00:14:47,790 --> 00:14:49,380 coating. That's something that you would 232 00:14:50,310 --> 00:14:53,160 think that's a good point. I think you got me there. I should 233 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:57,090 know the name of this stupid coding. But I'm telling you it 234 00:14:57,090 --> 00:15:00,510 was a dumb idea to begin with and apparently is It's not 235 00:15:00,510 --> 00:15:03,450 worked out. And this is the classic example for all you know 236 00:15:03,450 --> 00:15:07,590 as carcinogenic. They just do the job. Oh, look what we got. 237 00:15:07,590 --> 00:15:11,250 This is a great idea. I reminded, Oh, how 238 00:15:11,250 --> 00:15:14,010 about like hand grips on a bike? Would that be the same type of 239 00:15:14,010 --> 00:15:16,170 stuff? That's the stuff that 240 00:15:17,369 --> 00:15:20,849 I think is there just a whole substances softer rubber. Okay. 241 00:15:22,019 --> 00:15:26,399 No, it's a coating on hard plastic. If they hand grips on a 242 00:15:26,399 --> 00:15:29,699 bike or hard plastic, yeah, maybe but no, they can't get 243 00:15:29,699 --> 00:15:33,509 them on there if they were. But I'm reminded I'm reminded of as 244 00:15:33,539 --> 00:15:37,319 I was at some event, and you remember this when they were 245 00:15:37,319 --> 00:15:40,079 they took all this paper off the market. It was all this stuff 246 00:15:40,079 --> 00:15:43,409 that was used. It was it was heat sensitive. It was used for 247 00:15:43,409 --> 00:15:44,639 cash registers. And 248 00:15:45,450 --> 00:15:49,710 yeah, the purple paper that would that people were touching 249 00:15:49,710 --> 00:15:50,670 and getting sick from, 250 00:15:51,270 --> 00:15:54,450 well, they weren't getting sick from but it was carcinogenic at 251 00:15:54,450 --> 00:15:59,730 bisphenol or some damn thing on it. Yeah, well, I ran into the 252 00:15:59,730 --> 00:16:04,560 guy that made a mint, selling this paper that was sold to 253 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:09,720 substitute for it. Oh. And he told me kind of off to off to 254 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,570 record, which apparently is not off the record anymore. Not 255 00:16:12,570 --> 00:16:17,880 anymore. He says, You know, I know that our stuff was bad, but 256 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,220 they never ever tested this stuff. But they say just 257 00:16:20,220 --> 00:16:23,730 anything to substitute. I wouldn't have stuff good. He 258 00:16:23,730 --> 00:16:26,040 says For all we know, this could be 10 times worse. 259 00:16:26,130 --> 00:16:30,150 Instead of saying off the record, just say does that sound 260 00:16:30,150 --> 00:16:35,850 that sound? You sound like a journalist who's cheating. Oh, 261 00:16:36,630 --> 00:16:40,170 I've never been a cheater. Okay. Don't worry. Don't worry about 262 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,350 No, I think no, it's there's this there's a time limit off 263 00:16:43,350 --> 00:16:44,040 the record. Oh, 264 00:16:44,940 --> 00:16:48,150 okay. Gotcha. It's under was under embargo. The time the 265 00:16:48,150 --> 00:16:50,130 guy's name or anything like that under 266 00:16:50,130 --> 00:16:51,840 embargo. Say that 267 00:16:51,870 --> 00:16:56,400 it was he was skeptical about his own product? Because as I'm 268 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:57,750 skeptical about this goo. 269 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,330 All right. Well, I'd love to know more about what it is and 270 00:17:00,330 --> 00:17:01,260 how we can avoid it. 271 00:17:01,860 --> 00:17:04,230 Well, I can't avoid it. They've used it and used it and use it 272 00:17:04,230 --> 00:17:07,560 for years. And now it's all over the place. And it's just if it 273 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:11,610 was left in the hot sun after gua faiz, this gets really bad 274 00:17:11,610 --> 00:17:14,280 sticks. It'll stick to whatever it's touching. You have a piece 275 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,970 of paper stuck to it. It's unbelievable is that people out 276 00:17:17,970 --> 00:17:21,360 there know what I'm talking about? Yes. 277 00:17:23,609 --> 00:17:26,129 Well, would you want to go from here? You know, I have little 278 00:17:26,129 --> 00:17:29,939 presentation. I'd like to do some some general news first. 279 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:35,610 Okay. You have a story that you're been following up on? Is 280 00:17:35,610 --> 00:17:38,880 that what we're talking about? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I'm interested 281 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:40,050 in listening to this. But you 282 00:17:40,050 --> 00:17:42,090 want to do this now? Because I figured we'd do a couple you 283 00:17:42,090 --> 00:17:44,700 know, top news items first. And then like, what 284 00:17:44,700 --> 00:17:45,540 what's the top news? I 285 00:17:45,540 --> 00:17:46,680 don't know. What do you got? 286 00:17:47,730 --> 00:17:50,340 I got I don't have a clip for it. But I just was reading this 287 00:17:50,340 --> 00:17:53,430 morning about this situation. And in Canada, we had the 288 00:17:53,430 --> 00:17:58,260 pipeliners going from Alberta to BC and back and there's a big 289 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:02,040 squabble about it, which I thought was kind of interesting. 290 00:18:02,430 --> 00:18:03,360 No clip, though. 291 00:18:04,890 --> 00:18:10,500 I have no I don't have I wish they did. Well, then why not? 292 00:18:10,830 --> 00:18:13,920 How about the comings in Cortez show that was highlighted on 293 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:14,910 Democracy Now. 294 00:18:15,150 --> 00:18:17,910 Okay, I don't really know what it is. But let's let's talk 295 00:18:17,910 --> 00:18:18,330 about it. 296 00:18:19,110 --> 00:18:21,630 And there is the come I gotta clip the Cummings in Cortez 297 00:18:21,630 --> 00:18:26,250 show. Okay, there. They don't the guy there's testifying in 298 00:18:26,250 --> 00:18:31,050 front of Congress is starts with the the guy who's testifying in 299 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:36,210 front of Congress. Is that the guy who's the Homeland Security 300 00:18:36,210 --> 00:18:41,160 or acting, Director, guys, nice guy, and he's trying to do a 301 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,710 good job and they're just killing him. Yeah. 302 00:18:44,220 --> 00:18:46,740 Back on Capitol Hill House Democrats grill President 303 00:18:46,740 --> 00:18:50,340 Trump's acting Homeland Security Secretary Thursday over migrant 304 00:18:50,340 --> 00:18:53,550 family separations, the deaths of children taken into us 305 00:18:53,550 --> 00:18:57,090 custody and reports of squalid, overcrowded and dangerous 306 00:18:57,090 --> 00:19:00,540 conditions in US immigration jails. This is House Oversight 307 00:19:00,540 --> 00:19:04,020 Committee Chair Elijah Cummings questioning the acting DHS Chief 308 00:19:04,050 --> 00:19:05,370 Kevin McAleenan. 309 00:19:06,270 --> 00:19:09,270 Feel like you're doing a great job, right? What you're saying? 310 00:19:09,540 --> 00:19:11,220 We're doing our level best in a very, 311 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:15,510 what does that mean? What does that mean when a child sitting 312 00:19:15,510 --> 00:19:23,850 in their own feces? Can't take a shower? Come on, man. What's 313 00:19:23,850 --> 00:19:28,590 that about? None of us would have our children in that 314 00:19:28,590 --> 00:19:31,230 position. They are human 315 00:19:31,290 --> 00:19:32,070 beings. 316 00:19:32,100 --> 00:19:34,200 Also at Thursday's house oversight hearing. 317 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,530 Congressmember Alexandria Ocasio Cortez confronted Kevin 318 00:19:37,530 --> 00:19:41,640 McAleenan over hateful messages shared by 1000s of current and 319 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,000 former Border Patrol agents on a private Facebook group. The 320 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,300 group's online discussions exposed by ProPublica earlier 321 00:19:48,300 --> 00:19:51,090 this month are full of homophobic anti immigrant and 322 00:19:51,090 --> 00:19:54,210 misogynistic content about migrants and asylum seekers as 323 00:19:54,210 --> 00:19:58,470 well as racist attacks. On Texas Congress member Veronica Escobar 324 00:19:58,470 --> 00:20:02,250 and Ocasio Cortez is depicted in a photoshopped image being 325 00:20:02,250 --> 00:20:05,730 sexually assaulted by President Trump. This is Congressmember 326 00:20:05,730 --> 00:20:08,130 Ocasio Cortez questioning McAleenan. 327 00:20:09,210 --> 00:20:14,130 Did you see the posts, mocking migrant children's deaths? I 328 00:20:14,130 --> 00:20:17,820 did. Did you see the post planning physical harm to myself 329 00:20:17,820 --> 00:20:19,170 and Congresswoman Escobar? 330 00:20:19,380 --> 00:20:22,080 Yes. And I directed an investigation within minutes of 331 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:22,890 reading the article. 332 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:28,650 Did you see the images of officers circulating? 333 00:20:29,700 --> 00:20:34,380 Photoshopped images of my violent rape? Yes, I did. Are 334 00:20:34,380 --> 00:20:39,090 those officers on the job today and responsible for the safety 335 00:20:39,120 --> 00:20:40,500 of migrant women and children? 336 00:20:40,530 --> 00:20:43,530 So there's an aggressive investigation on this issue, 337 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,930 issue proceeding. You've heard the chief of the Border Patrol, 338 00:20:46,140 --> 00:20:49,170 the most senior female official and law enforcement across the 339 00:20:49,170 --> 00:20:52,380 entire country say that these posts do not meet our standards 340 00:20:52,380 --> 00:20:54,900 of conduct, and they will be followed up aggressively. 341 00:20:55,620 --> 00:20:57,720 High is this still about the secret group that they were 342 00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:58,500 posting on? 343 00:20:59,340 --> 00:21:01,830 But yeah, she brought it back up because there's this about 344 00:21:01,830 --> 00:21:04,500 her. That's why she brought it back about her. It's about her. 345 00:21:04,530 --> 00:21:08,550 That's what it's got to be about me. Yeah, I love Elijah 346 00:21:08,550 --> 00:21:12,780 Cummings, who's just yelling and scream Come on, man, that human 347 00:21:12,780 --> 00:21:15,810 beings. But let's not give a shit about the human beings 348 00:21:15,810 --> 00:21:19,770 dying on the streets of Los Angeles, San Francisco, and 349 00:21:19,770 --> 00:21:25,350 Austin. Seattle. Alright, they've shot let me follow this 350 00:21:25,350 --> 00:21:29,520 up. First, let's go to some questioning about about 351 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:33,330 immigration. And there's no one better than campus reform to go 352 00:21:33,330 --> 00:21:37,350 out and talk to this country's our country's brightest future. 353 00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:41,190 The new kids who are just ready to graduate and they're thinking 354 00:21:41,190 --> 00:21:44,430 about these things. And here's a test. Let's go read them 355 00:21:44,430 --> 00:21:48,540 something Obama said. And let's tell them that Trump said it, 356 00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:52,260 and then see what their reaction is. And then let's spring the 357 00:21:52,260 --> 00:21:56,070 truth on them. You've seen the gag before. It's hilarious. 358 00:21:56,100 --> 00:21:59,130 These could be pre selected, I mean, select they are selected 359 00:21:59,130 --> 00:22:02,940 could be selected only to show idiots. But still, the sampling 360 00:22:02,970 --> 00:22:04,020 is astounding. 361 00:22:04,770 --> 00:22:06,510 They'll have a quote for you here that's been making the 362 00:22:06,510 --> 00:22:09,960 rounds on social media about the deportation of criminal illegal 363 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,110 aliens. We are a nation of laws, undocumented workers broke our 364 00:22:13,110 --> 00:22:15,390 laws, I believe they must be held accountable, especially 365 00:22:15,390 --> 00:22:17,580 those who may be dangerous. That's why over the past six 366 00:22:17,580 --> 00:22:20,220 years, deportations of criminals are up 80%. And we're going to 367 00:22:20,220 --> 00:22:22,950 keep focusing on threats to our security. What's your thought on 368 00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:24,180 that quote in that policy in general? 369 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,740 I think that policy comes from a place of like 370 00:22:28,740 --> 00:22:31,290 white American nationalism, Donald Trump has kind of like 371 00:22:31,290 --> 00:22:34,440 embraced this rhetoric of like racism and xenophobia that is 372 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:35,850 not beneficial to our country at 373 00:22:35,850 --> 00:22:38,400 all. I don't think that that quote really stands true. This 374 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:39,000 administration 375 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,600 has totally not done anything moral. This is really awful. 376 00:22:42,629 --> 00:22:45,899 Amnesty does not necessarily mean that we're losing border 377 00:22:45,899 --> 00:22:47,999 security. I think that Trump feels that way. 378 00:22:48,210 --> 00:22:50,880 I think that's a bad decision. Because it's like the United 379 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,660 States should be open to like immigrants. Like it's practical, 380 00:22:54,660 --> 00:22:55,860 it lands with the free for reason, 381 00:22:55,889 --> 00:22:58,289 we'd have to advocate for those kinds of people and people like 382 00:22:58,289 --> 00:23:02,969 in Congress like Ocasio Cortez, who is helping people overcome 383 00:23:02,969 --> 00:23:03,809 these kinds of things 384 00:23:03,810 --> 00:23:07,680 crimes, do not nullify your humanity. And people are coming 385 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:08,970 here in search of opportunity. 386 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,310 I'm going to show you the person that said that, quote. 387 00:23:14,010 --> 00:23:17,640 Undocumented workers, Is that surprising? Yeah, a little bit. 388 00:23:17,820 --> 00:23:20,490 Why is that surprising? Cuz I thought it was the Trump 389 00:23:20,490 --> 00:23:22,230 administration. I said something like that. 390 00:23:22,410 --> 00:23:24,900 Yeah, it's quite surprising, but I thought it was from Trump. 391 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,480 They didn't expect it to be Obama, either. 392 00:23:27,510 --> 00:23:30,990 Why did you not expect it to be Obama? Um, because 393 00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:35,820 I just I guess, I don't know. Like, it just never. It never 394 00:23:35,820 --> 00:23:37,650 occurred to me that it could be about Is that 395 00:23:37,650 --> 00:23:39,720 surprising that it's a quote from President Obama. 396 00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:41,190 That was surprising for sure. Yeah. 397 00:23:41,220 --> 00:23:43,770 Do you think it's still a practice of white nationalism, 398 00:23:43,770 --> 00:23:46,230 though, to deport criminal illegal aliens? I think the way 399 00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:49,590 Trump's doing it is what But President Obama to this to this 400 00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:51,900 point in Trump's presidency, Obama actually deported more 401 00:23:51,900 --> 00:23:54,930 people, though. So it's in practice. That was more from 402 00:23:54,930 --> 00:23:57,210 Obama, though. What's your question? 403 00:23:57,629 --> 00:24:02,999 I, I'd say, my understanding of Obama versus Trump, is that just 404 00:24:02,999 --> 00:24:08,669 that Obama was more liberal as far as Amnesty and border 405 00:24:08,669 --> 00:24:12,659 security. I expected that quote to come from Trump. Does that 406 00:24:12,660 --> 00:24:14,400 change your opinion of the practice? You know, that 407 00:24:14,580 --> 00:24:17,160 President Obama did the same thing, actually, to this point, 408 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,500 his presidency deported more people than President Trump at 409 00:24:19,500 --> 00:24:19,920 this point? 410 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,030 No, again, I just think that there's a moral way to do it. 411 00:24:24,180 --> 00:24:29,610 And I don't know a ton about Obama's deportation policies, 412 00:24:29,610 --> 00:24:32,670 but I imagined that they were a lot more humane than the ones 413 00:24:32,700 --> 00:24:33,570 currently going on. 414 00:24:33,660 --> 00:24:36,390 There you go, there you go. Everybody, that's your mind 415 00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:40,230 control at work. The programming is successful, can't can't even 416 00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:43,500 when they hear it was Obama, he was more important. He must have 417 00:24:43,500 --> 00:24:47,280 done it in a more moral way than Trump is plus 418 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,100 education system. Now, 419 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,270 what's interesting, with all this undocumented illegal 420 00:24:54,270 --> 00:24:58,140 immigration going on, is that when I look around in Austin, 421 00:24:58,140 --> 00:25:01,320 Texas, the people who I see who are unhoused sleeping on the 422 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,210 street and panhandling, I don't know if they're actually 423 00:25:03,210 --> 00:25:07,890 homeless. They're panhandling for sure, but are mostly white. 424 00:25:08,100 --> 00:25:13,110 And they seem to be on drugs. We've been following and this is 425 00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:16,350 going to lead right back to the illegal immigrants only in 426 00:25:16,350 --> 00:25:20,730 California. So bear with me for a second. In Austin, we changed 427 00:25:20,730 --> 00:25:26,400 the community guidelines, the local rules, where you can now 428 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,100 sit and lie wherever you want. You can camp wherever you want, 429 00:25:29,100 --> 00:25:31,170 as long as it's not in front of City Hall. You can do it on 430 00:25:31,230 --> 00:25:34,320 Congress, if you want no problem in front of businesses, but not 431 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,840 in front of City Hall. Everywhere else you can camp you 432 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,630 can lie down you can Panhandle in from the schools bus stops 433 00:25:39,630 --> 00:25:42,570 anywhere you want. And the reason for this is that it was 434 00:25:42,570 --> 00:25:46,230 unfair, and not taking into consideration the challenges of 435 00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:50,400 life of the unhoused. And now we are a couple of weeks into the 436 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,900 policy. Let's check in this is a report from Luca station KX a 437 00:25:54,990 --> 00:25:55,890 blindside to 438 00:25:55,890 --> 00:25:59,190 Austin's homeless population are growing two and a half 439 00:25:59,189 --> 00:26:02,999 weeks after new city rules were approved to decriminalize 440 00:26:02,999 --> 00:26:06,239 homelessness. Some business owners say they're seeing even 441 00:26:06,239 --> 00:26:10,799 more problems. With the buzz of his blades, Oscar Rivera can 442 00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:15,119 clean up any mess. But he'll say his customers hairline isn't the 443 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:16,889 area that needs the most help. 444 00:26:17,039 --> 00:26:19,949 And then sometimes you'll see people land right here, right on 445 00:26:19,949 --> 00:26:22,679 the ground. And in when you wake when you come early in the 446 00:26:22,679 --> 00:26:25,109 morning, you have to tell him to get away he's sharp 447 00:26:25,140 --> 00:26:29,640 gallery 44 right off at 290. And Manchac isn't the only business 448 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:30,180 effect. It's 449 00:26:30,180 --> 00:26:32,580 nothing against those people. But when you're trying to build 450 00:26:32,580 --> 00:26:37,410 an establishment, it's hard to go further in and grow 451 00:26:37,439 --> 00:26:41,549 just down the street straight music has its own problems. VP, 452 00:26:41,549 --> 00:26:44,639 Clint straight has added locks to the bathrooms and dumpsters 453 00:26:44,729 --> 00:26:47,699 and told me he regularly finds needles in the parking lot. 454 00:26:47,729 --> 00:26:51,059 Community leaders say this is an issue of accountability. And the 455 00:26:51,059 --> 00:26:53,549 people of Austin need to be willing to give out more 456 00:26:53,549 --> 00:26:55,559 resources. If they want to see change. 457 00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:57,420 It's hard to hold homeless people accountable for not 458 00:26:57,420 --> 00:26:59,760 throwing away their trash when they don't have receptacles to 459 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,330 put them in. It's tough to hold people accountable when they're 460 00:27:03,330 --> 00:27:05,820 allowed to camp for using the bathroom in public places when 461 00:27:05,820 --> 00:27:07,350 they don't have a place to use the bathroom. 462 00:27:07,469 --> 00:27:10,889 The bottom line. This is a complex issue, which requires 463 00:27:10,889 --> 00:27:14,159 thoughtful solutions. And it's up to stakeholders just like 464 00:27:14,159 --> 00:27:17,129 those businesses near the homeless camps to provide their 465 00:27:17,129 --> 00:27:17,609 input. 466 00:27:17,790 --> 00:27:20,400 One of the things that we can all do is work together to come 467 00:27:20,790 --> 00:27:22,530 to some sort of comprehensive solution 468 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,230 next month, Austin City Manager Spencer Cronk will make 469 00:27:25,230 --> 00:27:28,350 recommendations on how to better tweak the new rules, it's 470 00:27:28,350 --> 00:27:31,380 expected to include reasonable limitations on camping and 471 00:27:31,380 --> 00:27:34,080 potential changes to the sit and lie ordinance, 472 00:27:34,229 --> 00:27:38,159 we wanted to get a sense of how big of a problem this is for 473 00:27:38,159 --> 00:27:42,479 people in Austin. Here's a look at the numbers from 311 calls 474 00:27:42,479 --> 00:27:46,859 for service requests with the key word homeless or transient 475 00:27:47,099 --> 00:27:51,209 show more than 2700 calls so far this year. That's almost more 476 00:27:51,419 --> 00:27:54,929 than all of the calls from last year. But it's also important to 477 00:27:54,929 --> 00:27:58,139 note that the rate of homeless people is increasing in Austin. 478 00:27:58,769 --> 00:28:02,309 On the right, you'll see the point in time count from echo. 479 00:28:02,669 --> 00:28:05,369 While the number of people living on the streets or in 480 00:28:05,369 --> 00:28:10,529 shelters has increased. That rate has been much more gradual 481 00:28:10,679 --> 00:28:13,019 compared to the number of complaints. 482 00:28:13,439 --> 00:28:16,589 And I would say extrapolating from that it's because the rules 483 00:28:16,589 --> 00:28:20,819 changed. So now there's more problems. Small business owners, 484 00:28:21,239 --> 00:28:27,269 and both of those guys were Latino. Now be damned who gives 485 00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:32,039 a shit? Way to go Austin fantastic that Dr. Drew Pinsky 486 00:28:32,729 --> 00:28:36,719 has been on a tear about what's happening in Los Angeles. He's 487 00:28:36,719 --> 00:28:40,079 talking on his radio show he's been I think he went on Fox and 488 00:28:40,079 --> 00:28:44,999 CNN. I know he's been an MSNBC. But in two short clips, he 489 00:28:44,999 --> 00:28:49,709 explained not only what the real problem is, but also what the 490 00:28:49,709 --> 00:28:52,619 solution is. And we've talked about some of the historical 491 00:28:52,619 --> 00:28:55,079 reasons for this. And I just wanted to share those he was on 492 00:28:55,079 --> 00:28:58,229 with Scott Adams, which is a rare thing, I think for Scott 493 00:28:58,229 --> 00:29:01,139 Adams to have someone called in on his periscope. And 494 00:29:01,319 --> 00:29:06,509 technically it's just a huge nightmare. I guess it proves 495 00:29:06,509 --> 00:29:10,109 that the content is good doesn't really matter that much. I think 496 00:29:10,109 --> 00:29:13,139 we've been pretty clear in the past that what we see is this is 497 00:29:13,139 --> 00:29:16,409 a drug problem. That's why I like saying unhoused I don't 498 00:29:16,409 --> 00:29:19,079 know if someone's homeless but they're not housed when they're 499 00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:23,249 sleeping on the ground. And Los Angeles as a huge problem with 500 00:29:23,249 --> 00:29:29,789 this and Dr. Drew, who at the office used to but he ran a drug 501 00:29:29,789 --> 00:29:35,009 addiction clinics. He says this is all about drugs. So even if 502 00:29:35,009 --> 00:29:35,609 we had 503 00:29:36,270 --> 00:29:39,510 if we had more housing if suddenly you know housing just 504 00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:43,020 appeared out of nowhere and it was free. These people wouldn't 505 00:29:43,020 --> 00:29:46,710 necessarily even take a free house would they? Correct that 506 00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:51,780 the the part that is now driving me to my grave I think I'm this 507 00:29:51,780 --> 00:29:57,210 problem is that this is a population that if you walk up 508 00:29:57,210 --> 00:29:59,550 to them and say let's go are got a great place for you to live 509 00:29:59,580 --> 00:30:04,230 them. jority and the vast majority will refuse. And people 510 00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:08,340 believe this. But when you are chronically mentally ill, unless 511 00:30:08,340 --> 00:30:11,760 you have treatment, it's very difficult to live in four walls. 512 00:30:12,090 --> 00:30:16,650 If you're a drug addict, you seek the streets. So there's a 513 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,550 attachment to this lifestyle that is not being addressed. The 514 00:30:20,550 --> 00:30:23,880 other thing is not only what they do not want housing, 515 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,570 housing is not the problem Los Angeles, we just absorbed in the 516 00:30:27,570 --> 00:30:31,410 last year or so about conservatively. 800,000 517 00:30:31,740 --> 00:30:34,530 undocumented immigrants, we were sanctuary city, we welcome them 518 00:30:34,530 --> 00:30:39,510 in. None of them are on the streets. They all found a place 519 00:30:39,570 --> 00:30:43,890 to live 800,000 people in a year found a place to live. So the 520 00:30:43,890 --> 00:30:48,900 government continued to focus on the housing. It's a hoax. And I 521 00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:50,880 can't understand why they're focused on it. 522 00:30:50,970 --> 00:30:57,090 Yes, I'm so happy. He said this. Because it's true. You have all 523 00:30:57,090 --> 00:31:00,360 these illegal immigrants finding a place to stay, they're not on 524 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,590 the streets of LA either. So just another data point that 525 00:31:04,590 --> 00:31:08,100 this is that there's something else going on. But all all the 526 00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:11,610 politicians can talk about is that same in Austin, affordable 527 00:31:11,610 --> 00:31:17,550 housing and affordable housing. Now, you've actually provided 528 00:31:17,550 --> 00:31:21,300 the reasoning behind this in the past, John, it's probably, yeah, 529 00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:24,420 it's part of Dr. Drew's solution. So I'll get right to 530 00:31:24,420 --> 00:31:26,580 it. And then when we're done, you'll remember 531 00:31:26,610 --> 00:31:30,600 no, it's easily solvable. It just doesn't fit an ideology. 532 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,450 There's something called the lentement Petrus Act, which is 533 00:31:33,450 --> 00:31:36,150 what allows us to treat patients again, you've got to read this 534 00:31:36,150 --> 00:31:39,540 book called American psychosis, the Llanddwyn, Petrus that came 535 00:31:39,540 --> 00:31:43,350 out in the 1960s. And all throughout human history, when 536 00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:48,000 people had chronic psychiatric illness or addiction, the system 537 00:31:48,030 --> 00:31:52,860 would determine need for care. If somebody met criteria for 538 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,950 what was called need for care, they were cared for. They were 539 00:31:55,950 --> 00:31:58,890 put in a hospital and cared for and stabilized and returned to 540 00:31:58,890 --> 00:32:03,120 their life. In the 1960s. There was a guy named Robert Felix 541 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,470 that that convinced President Kennedy that chronic psychiatric 542 00:32:07,470 --> 00:32:10,950 illness didn't really exist, that state hospitals caused it. 543 00:32:11,220 --> 00:32:14,670 We had one test, we had these crazy books that were going out 544 00:32:14,670 --> 00:32:18,030 that made the idea of putting people in a psychiatric hospital 545 00:32:18,060 --> 00:32:20,970 inhumane, and they passed something called the Lanterman 546 00:32:20,970 --> 00:32:26,280 Petrus Act, which moved need for care to the criteria for care as 547 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:30,690 simply harm to self or other. And if you weren't saying I'm 548 00:32:30,690 --> 00:32:33,450 going to kill myself, or I'm going to kill somebody else, or 549 00:32:33,540 --> 00:32:37,410 I'm so severely gravely disabled, which is a definition 550 00:32:37,410 --> 00:32:40,800 that we have to work on, then we could only hold you for 72 551 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:45,150 hours, which doesn't accomplish much of anything. So we could 552 00:32:45,150 --> 00:32:49,020 solve, we can help people with with a harm to suffer other than 553 00:32:49,020 --> 00:32:52,980 72 hours. But gravely disabled could do nothing. So we must 554 00:32:52,980 --> 00:32:56,160 change the definition of gravely disabled. We must expand 555 00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:00,120 conservatorships we must modify prop 47. So we can start to 556 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,990 prosecute drug laws again. So we can motivate drug addicts to get 557 00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:07,260 treatment. Permit drug addicts if they go one of three places. 558 00:33:07,980 --> 00:33:11,490 institution which we've taken away prison, which we've taken 559 00:33:11,490 --> 00:33:15,660 away, or they die. So we're leaving drug addicts to die, 560 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:21,150 which is exactly the policy. I'm thinking it may be on purpose. 561 00:33:21,930 --> 00:33:25,380 If those are the three options. It's clear that Los Angeles, San 562 00:33:25,380 --> 00:33:29,790 Francisco, Chicago, Orlando, Portland, Austin are choosing 563 00:33:29,790 --> 00:33:32,730 the die option. Let them die. 564 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:34,800 That could be 565 00:33:36,330 --> 00:33:39,540 and this goes back to your story about Reagan, One Flew Over 566 00:33:40,409 --> 00:33:47,069 in the 60s was the there was a big stink in the 60s, the era of 567 00:33:47,129 --> 00:33:54,449 Vietnam War and hippies and rock music, psychedelic scene, LSD, 568 00:33:54,449 --> 00:33:58,529 you name it. And it was that there was that? They bought into 569 00:33:58,529 --> 00:34:01,649 the idea that he just discussed, which was that we don't need to 570 00:34:01,649 --> 00:34:06,989 psychiatric places are just terrible. And they're nuthouse 571 00:34:06,989 --> 00:34:10,769 as it were. And they started trying to shut him down. But 572 00:34:10,769 --> 00:34:14,039 there was some pushback and probably from the Republican 573 00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:17,849 side of things, but once Ronald Reagan got in, he went with it. 574 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,579 And so now you don't have the pushback from the Republicans 575 00:34:20,579 --> 00:34:24,359 because he is a Republican and Reagan pretty much following the 576 00:34:24,359 --> 00:34:30,269 lead of the Liberals shut down all the call him I don't want to 577 00:34:30,269 --> 00:34:32,969 call them internment camps, but it's shut down all the insane 578 00:34:32,969 --> 00:34:35,939 asylum since California let everyone on the street and the 579 00:34:35,939 --> 00:34:38,639 problem worsened and worsened and worse and from that moment 580 00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:42,929 on, and now it's at the point where it's just nuts. And they 581 00:34:42,959 --> 00:34:44,789 if they don't reopen these places, you're right. You just 582 00:34:44,789 --> 00:34:46,979 have a bunch of corpses everywhere. And I guess maybe 583 00:34:46,979 --> 00:34:49,589 that is what they want. But in the meantime, there's a couple 584 00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:52,559 of things we can do. Okay, the most important of which, if 585 00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:54,899 you're in cities like San Francisco or Los Angeles or 586 00:34:54,899 --> 00:34:59,999 Portner, or Portland, find those cities like Austin and tell 587 00:34:59,999 --> 00:35:03,329 People how liberal they are about allowing people to just 588 00:35:03,329 --> 00:35:09,959 live out on the open and tell them to go to Oslo. But I've 589 00:35:09,959 --> 00:35:10,679 been doing 590 00:35:11,339 --> 00:35:14,459 it's it's interesting because here I keep telling people that 591 00:35:14,459 --> 00:35:18,599 this is no future, and they need to go to San Francisco. 592 00:35:18,929 --> 00:35:21,839 Specifically I recommend Berkeley area. 593 00:35:23,970 --> 00:35:27,060 Well, Berkeley is not really as great a place 594 00:35:27,629 --> 00:35:30,629 as Austin, you got free needles on the streets. 595 00:35:31,379 --> 00:35:34,649 Well, there's free needles everywhere. But Austin will be 596 00:35:34,649 --> 00:35:38,009 the Austin's the most liberal of the places that allowed. 597 00:35:39,180 --> 00:35:42,810 I'm not gonna let you do it. Stop. I don't want all those 598 00:35:42,810 --> 00:35:45,480 dead. I don't want the corpses everywhere. That's what it's 599 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:50,190 gonna be. Anyway, don't let anyone tell you differently. 600 00:35:50,190 --> 00:35:53,460 This is about drugs. It's it's a part of the opioid crisis as 601 00:35:53,460 --> 00:35:58,470 well. Yeah. The big part of it. Opioids meth it's 602 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:03,540 it's very watched dead special about Seattle. Death, this 603 00:36:03,540 --> 00:36:07,680 yellow. Cattle is dying. Seattle is dying. There's some good 604 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,530 stuff in there. Because they have a bunch of regular 605 00:36:10,530 --> 00:36:14,010 characters apparently, who the you know, the cops can't do 606 00:36:14,010 --> 00:36:16,620 anything about the guys are strung out and they brag about 607 00:36:16,620 --> 00:36:21,330 being loaded all the time on one thing or another. Yeah, meth is 608 00:36:21,330 --> 00:36:23,550 a problem. Meth is a huge problem, especially in the 609 00:36:23,550 --> 00:36:27,390 Pacific Northwest, not just the opioids, meth, which is a cheap 610 00:36:27,390 --> 00:36:31,020 drug. And it gives you a kind of buzz these guys are looking for, 611 00:36:31,020 --> 00:36:36,090 I suppose. And yeah. Fentanyl and meth. These are terrible 612 00:36:36,090 --> 00:36:37,470 products. Yeah, yeah. 613 00:36:39,210 --> 00:36:43,080 So there's, there's the solutions. I don't know about 614 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:47,550 Prop 47. We don't have that here. But I wish Dr. Drew could 615 00:36:47,550 --> 00:36:51,540 come and speak at the Austin City Council meeting. And give 616 00:36:51,540 --> 00:36:51,930 him a little 617 00:36:51,959 --> 00:36:53,969 pinch. He was invited, he probably show up. 618 00:36:55,020 --> 00:36:58,470 He's got enough problems in his own backyard. We'll just keep 619 00:36:58,470 --> 00:37:00,180 playing clips. If anyone cares. 620 00:37:00,509 --> 00:37:06,719 Nobody cares. They just assume that everyone drop dead. Yeah, 621 00:37:07,769 --> 00:37:13,979 you can step over the body. Hey, hey, hey, you can step over. 622 00:37:15,179 --> 00:37:18,179 Just step over is Nobody dare step over and you come into the 623 00:37:18,179 --> 00:37:18,569 shop. 624 00:37:19,860 --> 00:37:27,240 To the very end of our last show, I received a clip of a day 625 00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:32,280 which I thought it was a good clip. But I was man hindsight. 626 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,660 And like, of course, I deserve Clip of the Day. And that turned 627 00:37:36,660 --> 00:37:39,720 into a little bit of research. I'll refresh your memory. This 628 00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:44,130 is from the Google and censorship. Sorry, 629 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,820 is laughing at your self assurance and by Clip of the 630 00:37:47,820 --> 00:37:51,450 Day. Sure I deserve Clip of the Day. 631 00:37:52,319 --> 00:37:54,359 Just throw it in in the number 632 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,760 one financial supporter of the Hillary Clinton but I need to 633 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:57,120 set it up 634 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:01,080 more. This is the clip that I received Clip of the Day for. 635 00:38:02,340 --> 00:38:06,660 And it's Senator Cruz, interviewing Dr. Robert Epstein, 636 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,070 who has done research and claims that in the 2016 election, at 637 00:38:11,070 --> 00:38:14,520 minimum, about two and a half, but possibly 10 million votes 638 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:20,940 were swayed to vote for Hillary Clinton, based upon Google's 639 00:38:21,180 --> 00:38:24,390 algorithmic bias in their search results. 640 00:38:24,390 --> 00:38:29,040 Let him say some before he played the clip, nobody and 641 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:34,320 there's shows that specialize in Google podcasts have played this 642 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,050 clip. I was looking for it. I haven't heard anyone play this 643 00:38:37,050 --> 00:38:40,170 clip. It was on the hearings. And there's a there's one show 644 00:38:40,350 --> 00:38:42,840 that's a Google show. And they were playing clips from the 645 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,660 hearing. And they never played this clip. What Google 646 00:38:45,660 --> 00:38:46,500 show was that 647 00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:47,730 material. 648 00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:51,450 We know these Google shows and it's like, do you trust Jeff 649 00:38:51,450 --> 00:38:55,620 Jarvis to be objective on Google, as you know that this is 650 00:38:55,620 --> 00:39:00,030 not just in general, people who do who have if you're allowed in 651 00:39:00,030 --> 00:39:02,910 the building a Google you're not going to say anything bad about 652 00:39:02,910 --> 00:39:03,510 Google? 653 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,580 No, it's a conflict of interest. Thank you. So here's the clue. 654 00:39:08,580 --> 00:39:11,580 We have no conflict of interest because everyone hates us. 655 00:39:12,359 --> 00:39:15,029 And we've taken a vow of poverty. It's a twofer. The 656 00:39:15,029 --> 00:39:15,359 number 657 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,970 one financial supporter of the Hillary Clinton campaign in the 658 00:39:17,970 --> 00:39:21,900 2016 election was the parent company of Google alphabet, who 659 00:39:21,900 --> 00:39:25,200 was our first witness. They were her number one financial donor 660 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,890 and your testimony is through their deceptive search methods. 661 00:39:29,370 --> 00:39:32,880 They move 2.6 million votes in her direction. I would think 662 00:39:33,330 --> 00:39:37,290 anybody whether or not you favor, one candidate or another, 663 00:39:37,830 --> 00:39:42,360 should be deeply dismayed about a handful of Silicon Valley 664 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:46,110 billionaires having that much power over our elections to 665 00:39:46,110 --> 00:39:49,770 silently and deceptively shift vote outcomes. 666 00:39:49,890 --> 00:39:53,970 Again, with respect I must correct you the 2.6 million is a 667 00:39:53,970 --> 00:40:00,750 rock bottom minimum. The range is between 2.6 and 10. Point 4 668 00:40:00,750 --> 00:40:03,690 million depending on how aggressively they used the 669 00:40:03,690 --> 00:40:05,940 techniques that I've been studying now for six and a half 670 00:40:05,940 --> 00:40:06,930 years. Wow, 671 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,580 could you just say that again, please, just 672 00:40:09,180 --> 00:40:15,450 2.6 million is a rock bottom minimum. The range is between 673 00:40:15,450 --> 00:40:21,030 2.6 and 10 point 4 million votes, depending on how 674 00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:24,300 aggressive they were in using the techniques that I've been 675 00:40:24,300 --> 00:40:28,440 studying, such as the search engine manipulation effects, the 676 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:33,270 search suggestion effect, the answer bot effect and a number 677 00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:38,520 of others, they control these, and no one can counteract them. 678 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:43,020 These are not competitive. These are tools that they have at 679 00:40:43,020 --> 00:40:45,960 their disposal, exclusively. 680 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,680 There you go. Now, of course, when you hear that you like even 681 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,700 I'm going? Yeah, I think I said it on the show. I don't know if 682 00:40:53,700 --> 00:40:58,260 it really swayed 10 million people to, you know, to vote for 683 00:40:58,260 --> 00:41:02,010 Hillary over Trump, if they were, you know, on the fence. 684 00:41:03,810 --> 00:41:06,450 Yeah, and I think I was I was siding with it with the 685 00:41:06,450 --> 00:41:09,990 professor, I think it probably could have. And you were very 686 00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:12,840 skeptical. So this is better that you do this report? Yeah, 687 00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:16,530 you took it on. I will mention this just as kind of as an 688 00:41:16,530 --> 00:41:21,900 aside. Let's just say the max is true here. And the max is true 689 00:41:21,900 --> 00:41:24,900 about the illegal immigrants that are brought into the 690 00:41:24,900 --> 00:41:28,470 country to vote for the Democrats. If you could wait 10 691 00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:32,820 million votes, and have maybe I don't know another 10 million 692 00:41:32,850 --> 00:41:38,250 immigrants all voting for Hillary and she still loses? How 693 00:41:38,250 --> 00:41:40,740 much? How much people really hate this woman? 694 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,150 Or how much they decide? Or how much how much do people really 695 00:41:45,150 --> 00:41:48,030 want to vote for Trump? I mean, you could look at it either way. 696 00:41:48,750 --> 00:41:54,600 So a little a little background on on the professor is a PhD and 697 00:41:54,600 --> 00:42:00,330 senior research psychologist, research scientists, media 698 00:42:00,330 --> 00:42:03,540 professional author of 15 books and reading from his own bio, 699 00:42:03,870 --> 00:42:07,080 more than 300 articles on psychology related topics, 700 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,560 including empirical studies in science, nature, psychological 701 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,310 science, and the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science 702 00:42:14,310 --> 00:42:17,970 has a PhD from Harvard University under BF Skinner. Dr. 703 00:42:17,970 --> 00:42:21,570 Epstein is this funner? Yeah, do you know M BF Skinner? 704 00:42:21,780 --> 00:42:24,720 Oh, yeah, he's the famous behaviorist. Okay, well, the 705 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:26,490 most famous guys ever. 706 00:42:27,150 --> 00:42:30,420 Epstein is the founder and the Director Emeritus of the 707 00:42:30,420 --> 00:42:33,750 Cambridge center for behavioral studies. He's also hosted 708 00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:38,220 several radio shows, etc. He is a registered Democrat. He voted 709 00:42:38,220 --> 00:42:44,040 for Hillary Clinton. And he started a nonprofit, which is 710 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,560 the American Institute for behavioral research and 711 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:52,740 technology. 501 C three, I check the 990 filings has about 712 00:42:52,740 --> 00:43:00,270 $150,000 on hand raised about $40,000. Every year for the past 713 00:43:00,270 --> 00:43:05,040 couple of years little bump in 2016. The only people in this 714 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:10,440 organization were three, Epstein himself, Tyler Healy, who is the 715 00:43:11,220 --> 00:43:14,250 the technology. In fact, if you read his bio, you know exactly 716 00:43:14,250 --> 00:43:17,940 what is technology director, cybersecurity expert, full stack 717 00:43:17,940 --> 00:43:22,140 developer, so he basically put together all the tests. And then 718 00:43:22,140 --> 00:43:27,420 Brian Meredith, the managing director, he came to the AIB RT 719 00:43:27,420 --> 00:43:30,540 after a much honored advertising agency career spanning three 720 00:43:30,540 --> 00:43:33,630 continents, former vice president of Benton Bowles, 721 00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:37,320 founding member and director of the International creative team, 722 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,920 and McCann, Erickson. These are big advertising agencies. He 723 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:46,110 passed away in 2017. I think he was probably the original funder 724 00:43:46,140 --> 00:43:52,410 of, of this organization. And clearly not a lot of funding has 725 00:43:52,410 --> 00:43:54,630 come in. But of course, if you're fighting Google, you 726 00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:58,770 might have a lot of enemies. The Google has, I think is the 727 00:43:58,770 --> 00:44:03,690 largest lobby are in DC at the moment may be battling with 728 00:44:03,690 --> 00:44:06,150 China, who the hell knows? Maybe they work together? I don't 729 00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:11,400 know. So I look at the research and he has a number of research 730 00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:14,400 beyond what we're talking about here, which is search engine 731 00:44:14,430 --> 00:44:18,270 manipulation effects, the S E M E, he has also looked at the 732 00:44:18,270 --> 00:44:22,860 search suggestion effect, the answer bot effect, anybody's 733 00:44:22,860 --> 00:44:26,760 done many other things would come to psychological behavior. 734 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,370 And I think having an advertising guy in early was 735 00:44:29,370 --> 00:44:32,760 probably Hey, how do we use today's technology to sell 736 00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,780 products and that's probably exactly he stumped. So probably 737 00:44:36,780 --> 00:44:39,270 the most fair research yet because they were looking to 738 00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:42,990 figure out what manipulates people towards choices. The 739 00:44:42,990 --> 00:44:47,670 research as as published in the PNAS, which is the official 740 00:44:47,700 --> 00:44:51,150 journal, not only was it accepted, reviewed, it has been 741 00:44:51,150 --> 00:44:55,020 replicated in Germany. This is a big deal. If you go look at all 742 00:44:55,020 --> 00:44:57,630 these bullcrap studies everywhere, look and see if 743 00:44:57,630 --> 00:45:01,230 there was a replication of it. The repple Keishon crisis is 744 00:45:01,230 --> 00:45:07,170 rampant in in certainly in the psychological sciences. There's, 745 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,990 you know, the people can't recreate the studies and but 746 00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:12,180 still there, what are you eating? What are you doing? It's 747 00:45:12,210 --> 00:45:15,840 it's distracting me. Sorry, you're ripping paper or 748 00:45:16,290 --> 00:45:18,720 I am actually I'm just going through so I'm looking for some 749 00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:19,350 notes go on 750 00:45:19,380 --> 00:45:21,330 don't tear paper. 751 00:45:21,630 --> 00:45:24,300 I wasn't tearing paper, but I'm gonna. I'm gonna name the mic. 752 00:45:24,300 --> 00:45:25,740 So don't talk to me name the movie. 753 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:33,930 I looked at his research it is large groups. 10s of 1000s of 754 00:45:33,930 --> 00:45:37,410 people. double blind study. You're tearing paper again? 755 00:45:37,590 --> 00:45:39,030 Double blustery paper. 756 00:45:39,030 --> 00:45:42,780 I'm just taking people out of a pile. I am D Mikey. Just keep 757 00:45:42,780 --> 00:45:43,050 going. 758 00:45:43,140 --> 00:45:46,350 Don't D Mike, I need you to be able to interrupt for a reason. 759 00:45:46,350 --> 00:45:46,770 I'm just saying. 760 00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:51,120 Here's a pile of paper, I take the paper off. 761 00:45:51,420 --> 00:45:53,430 Well, are you looking for something? Are you doing 762 00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:58,560 crossword already go on? Is your chair squeaking to your paper 763 00:45:58,560 --> 00:45:59,970 and they're talking back to each other. 764 00:46:00,780 --> 00:46:04,530 But you just keep normally your bitching and moaning my 765 00:46:04,530 --> 00:46:10,530 interrupting now? Because I'm not interrupting? Please, please 766 00:46:10,530 --> 00:46:12,000 go back. All right. 767 00:46:14,700 --> 00:46:20,070 So the research is very deep. It is done with all of us. I mean, 768 00:46:20,070 --> 00:46:22,440 I'm not a scientist. But I've seen a lot of research 769 00:46:22,530 --> 00:46:26,640 throughout 11 years of doing the show. And it really looks like 770 00:46:26,670 --> 00:46:31,200 he he did all the business the way it should be done. And in 771 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:35,400 2014 15, but particularly in 2016, he did a number of studies 772 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:41,520 and again in 2018, where he would look at the results based 773 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:47,100 upon political questions that came in from Google query from 774 00:46:47,820 --> 00:46:51,330 Bing, and from Yahoo. And the results for Google were 775 00:46:51,330 --> 00:46:55,470 significantly different. I don't think that, you know, they're 776 00:46:55,530 --> 00:46:59,730 their algorithms are different. But the research really focused 777 00:46:59,730 --> 00:47:04,530 on and this is what I found to be interesting is that is the 778 00:47:04,530 --> 00:47:10,590 bias of what people click on in search results. So when you 779 00:47:12,060 --> 00:47:16,110 search for you propose a question to Google, the top two 780 00:47:16,140 --> 00:47:20,550 results receive all of the clicks with 50% Going to the top 781 00:47:20,550 --> 00:47:24,030 one 30% Going to the second one that drops off quite 782 00:47:24,030 --> 00:47:28,170 dramatically. Interestingly, the last the bottom one on a page 783 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:34,170 gets more, more clicks than you know, the five or six above it, 784 00:47:34,170 --> 00:47:36,750 and you can probably figure out why we've all done that. Let me 785 00:47:36,750 --> 00:47:38,880 scroll on the bottom, I'll click this one, I'll go to the next 786 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:43,380 page. But the click is, is pretty much always on the top 787 00:47:43,410 --> 00:47:49,290 one or the top two. And depending on what is driving the 788 00:47:49,290 --> 00:47:54,570 results, he found that amongst undecided voters, this is key 789 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,450 people who are really on the fence and it could be you know, 790 00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:02,040 undecided voters can be 10% can be 15% can be 20% of an election 791 00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:10,020 people on the fence that that the the choices people make, 792 00:48:10,590 --> 00:48:14,940 I should mention is usually over 20%. The undecided voters are 793 00:48:14,970 --> 00:48:16,680 always very high right into the election. 794 00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:18,630 Oh really? What What kind of percentage are we talking? 795 00:48:19,590 --> 00:48:21,150 I've seen as high as 40. 796 00:48:21,810 --> 00:48:28,050 So he claims that given an A B choice, that the top two links 797 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:33,570 determined People's Choice. And regardless of what that content 798 00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:38,160 is, well, obviously it's it's pointing towards A or B, if it's 799 00:48:38,190 --> 00:48:44,760 a 20 to 90%, we'll choose a over b just because they were the top 800 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,920 two links. So we understand the research, because that's really 801 00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:52,020 what all his research is saying. His research is saying, unlike 802 00:48:52,140 --> 00:48:56,070 anything else. When you have a choice between the two 803 00:48:56,070 --> 00:49:00,000 candidates and you oppose a question, the top two link 804 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,150 answers that you click on that on the top of the page will 805 00:49:03,150 --> 00:49:07,170 determine who you're going to vote for in aggregate over your 806 00:49:07,170 --> 00:49:07,890 research. 807 00:49:08,310 --> 00:49:14,160 I should stop you. I remember it. Because what you're what 808 00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,520 he's doing is maybe deconstructing what has already 809 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,720 been done at Google because I will remind myself that Sergey 810 00:49:21,720 --> 00:49:25,860 Brin years to come on to silicon spin show one lot and he one 811 00:49:25,860 --> 00:49:30,150 time said to me, you know, we have the most PhDs of any 812 00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:34,560 company in the world. And one of those PhDs doing there. 813 00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,850 They're probably trying to figure out well, they can do 814 00:49:38,850 --> 00:49:43,860 stuff to manipulate things, or is that really what they're 815 00:49:43,860 --> 00:49:46,950 doing? Because I have I have some, some thoughts about what 816 00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:50,940 is what the where the bias has come from, but I have a bunch of 817 00:49:50,940 --> 00:49:55,080 clips. Most of them are about 50 to 60 seconds long, but they do 818 00:49:55,110 --> 00:49:58,080 tell the story, as from different interviews that I've 819 00:49:58,110 --> 00:50:03,270 put together, and the first one Is Epstein introducing himself 820 00:50:03,300 --> 00:50:07,170 and giving a brief overview of seen which is the search engine 821 00:50:07,170 --> 00:50:10,470 manipulation effects. This is what he proved in his research. 822 00:50:10,500 --> 00:50:12,960 Oh, by the way, the whole pdf of his research is in the show 823 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:13,350 notes, 824 00:50:13,380 --> 00:50:17,010 I've been researching all kinds of new methods of online 825 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:21,600 influence the internet has made possible. My first discovery was 826 00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,770 of something called seam sem a the search engine manipulation 827 00:50:25,770 --> 00:50:31,590 effect, which is the impact that biased search results have on 828 00:50:31,590 --> 00:50:36,120 opinions and votes. When I first started doing experiments on 829 00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,930 this, which was more than six years ago, I thought the impact 830 00:50:39,930 --> 00:50:45,090 would be very small, it turns out, the impact is enormous. 831 00:50:45,090 --> 00:50:48,510 It's one of the largest behavioral effects ever 832 00:50:48,510 --> 00:50:52,620 discovered in the behavioral sciences. And I published my 833 00:50:52,620 --> 00:50:55,740 first report on this effect in the Proceedings of the National 834 00:50:55,740 --> 00:51:00,600 Academy of Sciences that was in 2015. And that report has since 835 00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,290 been accessed or downloaded more than 200,000 times. And that's, 836 00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,260 that's a lot for a scientific paper. And since then, I've 837 00:51:07,260 --> 00:51:11,190 discovered about seven other effects. These effects are so 838 00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:14,670 powerful, that if they're in the hands of people who have 839 00:51:15,090 --> 00:51:19,560 particular political leanings, together, they can shift upwards 840 00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:25,530 of 15 million votes in a presidential election, without 841 00:51:25,620 --> 00:51:28,680 anyone knowing that they're being manipulated and without 842 00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,830 leaving a paper trail for authorities to trace. 843 00:51:33,300 --> 00:51:35,670 So that's kind of the same background or I gave, but in 844 00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:39,690 maybe more succinct language. So 2016, he decided to monitor 845 00:51:39,690 --> 00:51:43,200 searches, this is before the election to leading up to the 846 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:48,150 election. And to compare if Google was delivering biased 847 00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:51,540 search results to those top two positions versus competitors, 848 00:51:51,540 --> 00:51:52,980 2016, 849 00:51:53,010 --> 00:51:58,410 I actually set up the first ever project to monitor the search 850 00:51:58,410 --> 00:52:03,870 results that Google, Bing and Yahoo were showing users prior 851 00:52:03,870 --> 00:52:06,600 to the election when they conducted election related 852 00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:12,840 searches. And I found that the search results were strongly 853 00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,380 biased in favor of Hillary Clinton, whom I supported, by 854 00:52:16,380 --> 00:52:19,920 the way, I am not a conservative. And so they 855 00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:24,300 shifted votes, lots of votes away from Donald Trump toward 856 00:52:24,300 --> 00:52:27,120 Hillary Clinton, but in a way that people couldn't see because 857 00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:32,790 the way this works is people trust and click on search 858 00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:36,810 results that are higher in the list. So 50% of all clicks go to 859 00:52:36,810 --> 00:52:42,420 the top two items in the list. Why? Oh, sure. And what Google 860 00:52:42,420 --> 00:52:47,520 was doing was putting items high in the list that led people to 861 00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:52,470 web pages that looked that made Hillary Clinton look a lot 862 00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:57,300 better than Donald Trump. And over time, that shifts the 863 00:52:57,300 --> 00:53:01,950 opinions and votes of undecided voters. And of course, in close 864 00:53:01,950 --> 00:53:05,970 elections, it's undecided voters who determine the winner in this 865 00:53:05,970 --> 00:53:10,950 particular case, we calculated based on the bias that we found 866 00:53:11,790 --> 00:53:16,230 that Google could quite easily have shifted two to 3 million 867 00:53:16,260 --> 00:53:19,860 votes toward Hillary Clinton just using this manipulation, 868 00:53:20,430 --> 00:53:23,190 without anyone knowing that they were doing it. 869 00:53:23,850 --> 00:53:26,550 And then not that the part of without anyone knowing they're 870 00:53:26,550 --> 00:53:31,800 doing it is is important, because this is not just a clear 871 00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,740 bias that stands out it has a name, they can 872 00:53:34,740 --> 00:53:40,380 shift millions of votes, using what they themselves call 873 00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:44,280 ephemeral experiences. And in other words, things like news 874 00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:50,880 feeds, and search suggestions, and search results. Answer 875 00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,120 boxes, these are ephemeral because they appear only for a 876 00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,660 second or two. They affect your thinking they disappear. They're 877 00:53:57,660 --> 00:54:01,140 not stored anywhere, no one can go back in time and retrace 878 00:54:01,140 --> 00:54:04,860 them. And Google employees and you know, we've seen in leaks 879 00:54:04,860 --> 00:54:09,030 recently they have, they are well aware that they can use a 880 00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:13,440 femoral experiences to shift votes and opinions. And they do 881 00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:18,150 this deliberately. I've proven it with my monitoring projects. 882 00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:24,330 So the ephemeral experiences means it's just in for an 883 00:54:24,330 --> 00:54:26,970 instant. It's just there, your search results, something has 884 00:54:26,970 --> 00:54:31,110 search box, your your auto complete, all these things are 885 00:54:31,290 --> 00:54:34,920 really not trackable by you even in your mind, because it's the 886 00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,280 way you've done used the Google product for ever since you've 887 00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:44,250 been using it. Now, there was a political article that he wrote 888 00:54:44,250 --> 00:54:49,050 explaining all this after the election, which was followed up 889 00:54:49,050 --> 00:54:54,960 by a top research scientist at Google search in Politico, and I 890 00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,620 think we're the only audio report I could wear video report 891 00:54:58,620 --> 00:55:02,580 I could find on it was from our Are tea. And they, they of 892 00:55:02,580 --> 00:55:04,800 course say this is total bull crowd, a 893 00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,260 tech giant has to admit this mess his previous findings 894 00:55:07,260 --> 00:55:11,070 saying that its algorithms are politically blind. We have never 895 00:55:11,070 --> 00:55:14,820 re ranked search results on any topic, including elections to 896 00:55:14,820 --> 00:55:18,510 manipulate political sentiment. Moreover, we do not make any 897 00:55:18,510 --> 00:55:21,570 ranking tweaks, which is specific to elections or 898 00:55:21,570 --> 00:55:25,650 political candidates period, we always strive to provide our 899 00:55:25,650 --> 00:55:28,650 users with the most accurate, relevant answers to their 900 00:55:28,650 --> 00:55:31,590 queries. Google completely disagrees with you. I should 901 00:55:31,590 --> 00:55:34,170 say, first of all, like they said, There's no way this this 902 00:55:34,170 --> 00:55:37,620 can be true. But you disagree. Is it really possible the 903 00:55:37,620 --> 00:55:40,050 results of Google searches can influence the way people vote? 904 00:55:40,110 --> 00:55:43,710 Well, there's no question about that. I've been doing randomized 905 00:55:43,710 --> 00:55:49,170 controlled studies for more than six years, measuring quite 906 00:55:49,170 --> 00:55:52,710 precisely the impact that they can have on people's thinking 907 00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:57,750 and behavior and purchases and elections. But this monitoring 908 00:55:57,750 --> 00:56:01,260 project that I conducted that this shows beyond any question, 909 00:56:02,130 --> 00:56:06,870 that there was significant liberal bias in Google search 910 00:56:06,900 --> 00:56:11,910 results, but not in search results from Bing and Yahoo, 911 00:56:11,940 --> 00:56:16,410 unfortunately, about 90% of searches conducted on Google, 912 00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:22,560 not big in Yahoo. So Google really is the deciding factor. 913 00:56:23,190 --> 00:56:28,350 In in close races, in fact, we calculate that upwards of 25% of 914 00:56:28,350 --> 00:56:32,970 the national elections in the world are being decided, without 915 00:56:32,970 --> 00:56:36,780 people's knowledge by Google's search algorithm. 916 00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,650 This is important to know. And he says, their influence, he's 917 00:56:40,650 --> 00:56:43,500 not saying that they that is their political agenda that they 918 00:56:43,500 --> 00:56:47,490 are putting in there. And if you listen carefully to Google's 919 00:56:47,490 --> 00:56:52,560 rebuttal of his article, they say we don't re rank results. 920 00:56:53,070 --> 00:56:56,100 That's not what his research is calling for. He actually had 921 00:56:56,100 --> 00:56:57,600 something to say about it himself. 922 00:56:57,630 --> 00:57:01,620 That disclaimer, that denial that you just played from 923 00:57:01,620 --> 00:57:05,040 Google, you have to listen very, very, very carefully to what 924 00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:08,340 they're saying. They're saying they don't really rank. They're 925 00:57:08,340 --> 00:57:11,160 very careful, you know, in their their denials, we don't read 926 00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,040 rank up. I've never claimed they rank anything, I'm just 927 00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,130 reporting on what they actually show people. And what they show 928 00:57:17,130 --> 00:57:22,890 people is dramatically bias enough in our 2018 elections to 929 00:57:22,890 --> 00:57:28,380 have shift shifted upwards of 78 point 2 million votes spread 930 00:57:28,380 --> 00:57:30,960 across different races in the US in 2018. 931 00:57:31,950 --> 00:57:36,300 So they're not being completely honest with their answer, but 932 00:57:36,300 --> 00:57:38,910 they're not really lying either. I don't think they're re 933 00:57:38,910 --> 00:57:41,550 ranking. I don't think Sergey Brin is sitting there saying, 934 00:57:41,550 --> 00:57:45,690 oh, let's only made let's make this the top results. Take that 935 00:57:45,690 --> 00:57:47,430 Trump, I don't think that's what's happening. 936 00:57:48,450 --> 00:57:51,270 Well, no, I mean, they the professor agrees with that. But 937 00:57:51,270 --> 00:57:54,870 the point is, is that if you set your algorithms up, right, and 938 00:57:54,870 --> 00:57:58,500 you do our bias, let's face it, I mean, Sergey ended and a whole 939 00:57:58,500 --> 00:58:02,400 team over there were in tears. After Hillary lost, they did so 940 00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,010 onto the internet, their videos are out there, and they're 941 00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:10,470 weeping over this loss saying we didn't do enough. So there's no 942 00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:14,790 reason to re rank when the whole thing is is rigged. And to begin 943 00:58:14,790 --> 00:58:15,240 with, and 944 00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:19,410 and it is and I think I can explain what's going on. First, 945 00:58:19,410 --> 00:58:23,280 let's go to 2018. He had some very surprising results. This 946 00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,070 was our most recent election, not a presidential election in 947 00:58:26,070 --> 00:58:30,030 Gitmo nation. It was for the house and for the Senate. 948 00:58:30,060 --> 00:58:33,270 We did this very, very carefully. We had a field 949 00:58:33,270 --> 00:58:36,600 agents, focusing on three congressional races in 950 00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:41,100 California, which were very hotly contested races and 951 00:58:41,100 --> 00:58:45,780 Republican districts. And we gave to these field agents about 952 00:58:45,780 --> 00:58:51,240 500, election related search terms. Each one of them had 953 00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,190 different search terms for different districts where there 954 00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:58,050 are different issues, of course. And the point is, we we we 955 00:58:58,050 --> 00:59:01,290 simply looked at what have what kind of search results they 956 00:59:01,290 --> 00:59:04,530 received when they were conducting election related 957 00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:10,710 searches. And we found very consistently, that on Google, 958 00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:15,660 they ended up with search results favoring liberals and 959 00:59:15,660 --> 00:59:19,200 favoring liberal news sources, and it was quite a dramatic 960 00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:19,770 effect. 961 00:59:20,910 --> 00:59:26,430 And I'm sure that some of these House races were won by people 962 00:59:26,460 --> 00:59:30,060 undecided voters researching receiving biased search results. 963 00:59:30,060 --> 00:59:34,410 So we're going to take it as a fact that Google's search 964 00:59:34,410 --> 00:59:38,310 results political search results have been biased and have been 965 00:59:38,340 --> 00:59:41,850 left leaning. That's just the fact that's it's been 966 00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:46,050 replicated. There's no disputing that. But is it the algorithm? 967 00:59:46,350 --> 00:59:48,270 Or is the data which one is 968 00:59:48,300 --> 00:59:51,240 can we establish with any certainty just how much 969 00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:55,200 influence what people see in their internet searches what 970 00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,840 impact it has upon who they vote for? 971 00:59:58,109 --> 01:00:01,259 Well, yes, that's what the sign tipic research has been all 972 01:00:01,259 --> 01:00:04,349 about and we know that among people who are undecided on an 973 01:00:04,349 --> 01:00:10,049 issue, if we show them a search results that favor one cause or 974 01:00:10,049 --> 01:00:14,399 favor one candidate like Brexit, for example, among people who 975 01:00:14,399 --> 01:00:19,019 are undecided, that easily can shift 20% or more of them in the 976 01:00:19,019 --> 01:00:24,569 direction of the bias, upwards of up to 80% shifts in some 977 01:00:24,569 --> 01:00:29,099 demographic groups. People trust algorithmic output, they trust 978 01:00:29,099 --> 01:00:32,789 Google, they think it's because it's generated by a computer. 979 01:00:33,119 --> 01:00:36,299 They don't see the human hand they think it's impartial and 980 01:00:36,299 --> 01:00:39,059 objective. And then their opinions change. So we've 981 01:00:39,059 --> 01:00:42,419 measured that quite precisely now and five national elections 982 01:00:42,419 --> 01:00:46,949 in in multiple countries. And so we know for sure that that is 983 01:00:46,949 --> 01:00:50,549 occurring now around the world without people's knowledge. 984 01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:56,160 So again, is it the algorithms making decisions or is the data 985 01:00:56,430 --> 01:00:59,160 now we're going to move to two other scientists? Well, 986 01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:02,160 actually, we'll start with Cathy O'Neill. She wrote the book 987 01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:06,930 weapons of mass destruction. She used to be a hedge fund quant 988 01:01:07,410 --> 01:01:11,490 which means she would write algorithms to determine market 989 01:01:11,490 --> 01:01:13,860 moves and how you can take it you know, that's a lot of the 990 01:01:13,860 --> 01:01:20,100 flash trading is based on on quant quant work, isn't quant 991 01:01:20,100 --> 01:01:23,010 stands for what quantum? I don't know what it stands for 992 01:01:23,010 --> 01:01:27,480 quantitative analysis. Okay. So a quant is looking at an algo is 993 01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,330 programmed to look for little moves and grab those and it can 994 01:01:30,330 --> 01:01:33,240 be pennies, or sometimes fractions and enough of those 995 01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:35,280 over the course of a day and you're making millions of 996 01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:39,690 dollars. And she got bored with that. And she went to go work in 997 01:01:39,690 --> 01:01:45,030 the in data sciences for commercial companies, for 998 01:01:45,060 --> 01:01:49,440 insurance companies, etc. And she discovered pretty quickly 999 01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:54,630 that she was really separating people into classes, classes of 1000 01:01:54,660 --> 01:01:58,650 standing really the opposite of a lot of what what America is 1001 01:01:58,650 --> 01:02:03,870 supposed to be. And she, I became interested in what she 1002 01:02:03,870 --> 01:02:06,600 was saying, because I you know, we've been following algorithms 1003 01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:10,560 for a long time on the show. I'm going to paraphrase her 1004 01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:16,140 algorithms are automated opinions of the status quo. So 1005 01:02:16,140 --> 01:02:19,050 there's an opinion that says anyone living in this code zip 1006 01:02:19,050 --> 01:02:24,510 code is worthwhile to me for my marketing. If you see anyone 1007 01:02:24,510 --> 01:02:27,060 from the zip code, take him right away. So that has an 1008 01:02:27,060 --> 01:02:30,660 opinion. And that is my opinion, at this very moment. And the 1009 01:02:30,660 --> 01:02:34,410 algorithm from now on will make that decision automatically 1010 01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,200 without any exception, he will not change it. And if that's the 1011 01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:40,350 only data it has, it's only going to find people in that zip 1012 01:02:40,350 --> 01:02:44,430 code as being valid. Your some of her talking about this. 1013 01:02:44,490 --> 01:02:48,210 algorithms don't make things fair, if you just blindly 1014 01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:51,300 blindly apply algorithms, they don't make things fair. They 1015 01:02:51,300 --> 01:02:55,560 repeat our past practices, or patterns, they automate the 1016 01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:59,730 status quo. That would be great if we had a perfect world, but 1017 01:02:59,730 --> 01:03:04,140 we don't. But the data sciences in those companies are told to 1018 01:03:04,140 --> 01:03:08,610 follow the data to to focus on accuracy. Think about what that 1019 01:03:08,610 --> 01:03:11,610 means when because we all have bias, it means they could be 1020 01:03:11,610 --> 01:03:14,820 codifying sexism, or any other kinds of bigotry. 1021 01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,900 This is all from Ted Radio Hour. So I couldn't get too much about 1022 01:03:18,900 --> 01:03:23,250 the music they put under everything. And she is very 1023 01:03:23,250 --> 01:03:26,880 interesting talk that she has. Now how are algorithms 1024 01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:31,710 programmed. They're programmed with data and the data Ingress. 1025 01:03:31,710 --> 01:03:35,310 So teaching the algorithm you've probably heard this term is 1026 01:03:35,340 --> 01:03:39,570 machine learning. And depending on the data you have, you're 1027 01:03:39,570 --> 01:03:42,360 going to feed that in, you're going to program the algorithm 1028 01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:45,330 which is very simple. If This Then That it's really not much 1029 01:03:45,330 --> 01:03:49,800 more than that. It sounds really, really complicated. But 1030 01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:52,890 the underlying data seems to be a much bigger issue. Now we're 1031 01:03:52,890 --> 01:03:57,750 going to talk to MIT researcher who graduated from MIT. It you 1032 01:03:57,750 --> 01:04:02,520 have to kind of get over her Valley kind of girl speak up 1033 01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:06,600 talking because she is very smart. And she has done a lot of 1034 01:04:07,110 --> 01:04:15,390 research in this area Joy Blum brought on weenie and she ran 1035 01:04:15,390 --> 01:04:20,430 into a data machine learning issue very early on, when she's 1036 01:04:20,430 --> 01:04:23,070 black when it came to facial recognition. 1037 01:04:23,100 --> 01:04:26,580 I am the founder of the algorithmic Justice League. So 1038 01:04:26,580 --> 01:04:29,460 my personal mission is to fight algorithmic bias. 1039 01:04:29,670 --> 01:04:32,850 Yes, the algorithmic Justice League, which is a group of 1040 01:04:32,850 --> 01:04:36,480 computer scientists and coders who try to raise awareness about 1041 01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:40,200 the social problems that exist in algorithms. It's something 1042 01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:44,550 Joy recently demonstrated by using a basic webcam and facial 1043 01:04:44,550 --> 01:04:47,310 analysis technology. And it's the kind of technology you might 1044 01:04:47,310 --> 01:04:50,220 find when you upload a picture on social media. 1045 01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:54,840 And so what I do is I sit in front of the camera, hoping for 1046 01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:59,070 my face to be detected and I have pretty dark skin. So I'm 1047 01:04:59,070 --> 01:05:02,700 sitting there with them. I face dark skin, there's no detection, 1048 01:05:03,930 --> 01:05:07,560 that I pull on my friend's face who has much lighter skin than 1049 01:05:07,590 --> 01:05:11,280 than I do, she's Chinese. And you see that her face is 1050 01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:16,410 immediately detected. So then I switched back to my face, dark 1051 01:05:16,410 --> 01:05:20,940 skinned and gorgeous, not detected, I put on a white mask. 1052 01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:25,260 And after I put on the white mask, that's when I'm detected. 1053 01:05:25,590 --> 01:05:29,430 And I wanted to show this as an example, that in the same 1054 01:05:29,430 --> 01:05:34,020 conditions, right, a typically lit office, we were having a 1055 01:05:34,020 --> 01:05:35,460 different experience. 1056 01:05:36,150 --> 01:05:39,420 You're saying that, that a lot of the software doesn't detect 1057 01:05:39,420 --> 01:05:40,200 black faces? 1058 01:05:40,230 --> 01:05:43,800 Absolutely. This kind of technology is being built on 1059 01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:47,820 machine learning techniques. And machine learning techniques are 1060 01:05:47,820 --> 01:05:51,720 based on data. So if you have bias data in the input, and it's 1061 01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:55,260 not addressed, you're going to have biased outcomes. 1062 01:05:56,070 --> 01:06:01,020 So this is a real world example. You'll recall that there was a 1063 01:06:01,050 --> 01:06:04,950 outrage over Google recognizing black faces, tagging them as 1064 01:06:04,950 --> 01:06:07,890 gorilla. I think it was Google, it may have been Facebook 1065 01:06:07,890 --> 01:06:12,300 doesn't matter. And the reason for this is when the algorithm 1066 01:06:12,300 --> 01:06:15,660 was built, it was done with an initial dataset that developers 1067 01:06:15,660 --> 01:06:20,100 probably a bunch of dudes, probably Asian and white dudes 1068 01:06:20,250 --> 01:06:23,970 use their faces to train the algorithm. And they just didn't 1069 01:06:23,970 --> 01:06:27,390 have any black faces at the time. And lo and behold, the 1070 01:06:27,390 --> 01:06:30,300 machine didn't know what they were because it had never been 1071 01:06:30,300 --> 01:06:35,400 given black face algorithmic data. And so it, it went to 1072 01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:38,010 whatever it thought was the closest thing and sadly, it 1073 01:06:38,010 --> 01:06:40,860 said, Oh, this is a gorilla. So it was very embarrassing, but 1074 01:06:40,860 --> 01:06:45,300 it's because the core base, even at the development stage, didn't 1075 01:06:45,300 --> 01:06:48,780 have the right amount of data. Here's a fun game to play. I 1076 01:06:48,780 --> 01:06:52,470 want you to picture John a shoe, everyone can play this at home, 1077 01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,560 think of a shoe, don't tell me what it is just create an image 1078 01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:59,040 of your shoe in your mind. Now we're going to feed that image 1079 01:06:59,070 --> 01:07:03,510 into a into an algorithm and say this is a shoe, whenever you see 1080 01:07:03,510 --> 01:07:07,950 this label this shoe. What image of a shoe did you have in your 1081 01:07:07,950 --> 01:07:08,580 mind, John, 1082 01:07:09,450 --> 01:07:13,740 I had an image of a beat up kind of flattened leather shoe with 1083 01:07:13,740 --> 01:07:17,190 those was with some shoe strings. 1084 01:07:17,460 --> 01:07:21,300 Right? So I had a sneaker in mind. And if you don't put the 1085 01:07:21,300 --> 01:07:24,630 sneaker in, or a high heel, or I did this with Tina, yesterday, 1086 01:07:24,660 --> 01:07:27,150 she was thinking of a sandal I never would have thought of a 1087 01:07:27,150 --> 01:07:30,660 sandal. So if you don't put the Sandlin, it's never going to 1088 01:07:30,660 --> 01:07:35,220 show up in the algo as a shoe. And this is how the court data 1089 01:07:35,220 --> 01:07:39,120 is biased. It's not necessarily left, right, you know, black, 1090 01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:43,890 white, Republican, Democrat, Democrat, it's just missing data 1091 01:07:43,890 --> 01:07:46,230 that creates an inherent bias. 1092 01:07:46,260 --> 01:07:49,680 So what's going on? Why isn't my face being detected? Well, we 1093 01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:53,700 have to look at how we give machine sight. Computer Vision 1094 01:07:53,700 --> 01:07:58,410 uses machine learning techniques to do facial recognition. So how 1095 01:07:58,410 --> 01:08:01,410 this works is you create a training set with examples of 1096 01:08:01,410 --> 01:08:05,760 faces, the faces this face, this is not a face. And over time, 1097 01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:10,230 you can teach a computer how to recognize other faces. However, 1098 01:08:10,230 --> 01:08:14,070 if the training sets aren't really that diverse, any face 1099 01:08:14,070 --> 01:08:17,520 that deviates too much from the established norm will be harder 1100 01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:20,040 to detect, which is what was happening to me. 1101 01:08:20,370 --> 01:08:23,220 So now let's go to what's happening with political 1102 01:08:23,220 --> 01:08:27,780 questions and results in Google. Google is a left leaning 1103 01:08:27,780 --> 01:08:30,870 company, it is a liberal company. So their base 1104 01:08:32,310 --> 01:08:35,910 algorithmic sets are always going to be based on their 1105 01:08:35,940 --> 01:08:40,620 inherent bias. And I'll give you an example. If someone asks a 1106 01:08:40,620 --> 01:08:45,720 question about Hillary Clinton's emails, they need to result. I 1107 01:08:45,750 --> 01:08:48,150 let me take a look at what we have. We have some Wall Street 1108 01:08:48,150 --> 01:08:51,330 Journal, some Fox News. Oh, here's a New York Times article 1109 01:08:51,510 --> 01:08:54,030 that says it was kind of a big nothing burger. It's the New 1110 01:08:54,030 --> 01:08:56,760 York Times. So yeah, I think that's we'll put that at the top 1111 01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:59,580 and we'll put number two, we'll put maybe some maybe something 1112 01:08:59,580 --> 01:09:02,430 from the Wall Street Journal a little less nuanced. Okay. Now 1113 01:09:02,430 --> 01:09:06,090 you've just trained the algorithm based on whatever it's 1114 01:09:06,090 --> 01:09:09,390 supposed to be doing that these are the shoes for that kind of 1115 01:09:09,390 --> 01:09:14,130 shoe question. Take this one step further. Qu is training the 1116 01:09:14,130 --> 01:09:19,590 machine learning of Google is done by my future daughter in 1117 01:09:19,590 --> 01:09:23,640 law. We talked about her sitting here on the back porch, just 1118 01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:27,930 like 10s of 1000s of other people who are reviewing search 1119 01:09:27,930 --> 01:09:30,660 results. Some of it's just a pure search results on what's 1120 01:09:30,660 --> 01:09:34,470 from Hey, Google, they do it from multiple companies. And 1121 01:09:34,470 --> 01:09:38,430 let's say there's a question about Hillary's emails that 1122 01:09:38,430 --> 01:09:41,130 she'll be now let me go take a look. I don't think this answer 1123 01:09:41,130 --> 01:09:44,490 is right, because it doesn't fit what I think about it. So I 1124 01:09:44,490 --> 01:09:47,370 think that this article over here from Politico, that's 1125 01:09:47,370 --> 01:09:50,760 that's the right answer. So I'm going to tag this. It's going to 1126 01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:55,410 be inherently biased towards left leaning results because of 1127 01:09:55,410 --> 01:09:59,610 the data because of the employees because of what Google 1128 01:09:59,670 --> 01:10:04,530 is. is, this is not, it's far worse than Sergey Brin sitting 1129 01:10:04,530 --> 01:10:09,150 there going, let me change it. No, it will never change because 1130 01:10:09,150 --> 01:10:13,590 the organization is inherently biased. And the data scientists 1131 01:10:13,710 --> 01:10:17,250 are not real scientists. They're assholes who are not checking 1132 01:10:17,250 --> 01:10:20,040 their data. They're not replicating it, checking it for 1133 01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:24,330 any kind of fairness, bias, etc. They're also probably very left 1134 01:10:24,330 --> 01:10:29,190 leaning. And this is a mind blowing problem above some 1135 01:10:29,220 --> 01:10:32,550 unfair shit they're putting in. And that's why they can easily 1136 01:10:32,550 --> 01:10:35,910 say we're not doing anything. We're not re ranking No. But all 1137 01:10:35,910 --> 01:10:38,700 the people you hire who they don't check, they don't check 1138 01:10:38,700 --> 01:10:43,530 these people who are, who were the be at task to make sure the 1139 01:10:43,530 --> 01:10:47,190 results are proper data, do they just bring somebody into paying 1140 01:10:47,190 --> 01:10:51,510 him 14 bucks an hour? If even that they don't care? These 1141 01:10:51,510 --> 01:10:52,620 reviewers often? 1142 01:10:53,610 --> 01:10:58,950 Well, then you have to explain a couple of things. Okay. First of 1143 01:10:58,950 --> 01:11:02,580 all, it's no coincidence, that coincidence that Google was the 1144 01:11:02,580 --> 01:11:06,690 largest contributor to Hillary's campaign, and it would be in 1145 01:11:06,690 --> 01:11:10,890 their best interest if they won. Yes, or she won. Sure. Secondly, 1146 01:11:11,190 --> 01:11:15,210 how do you you match up the Google employees with the Yahoo 1147 01:11:15,210 --> 01:11:17,760 employees, which is what one of the elements that you compared 1148 01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:22,410 with or the Bing employees up at Microsoft, the Microsoft 1149 01:11:22,410 --> 01:11:26,100 employees, in fact, I believe, are probably much more liberal, 1150 01:11:26,100 --> 01:11:29,070 I do not bias than they are at Google. I do 1151 01:11:29,070 --> 01:11:33,660 not believe that they have the same algorithms and the same 1152 01:11:34,050 --> 01:11:38,310 data that they're using. Google has vast sources of data that 1153 01:11:38,310 --> 01:11:43,080 they're using, in a variety of ways that that John, who and 1154 01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:46,530 Bing have no access to, I don't think that their algorithms are 1155 01:11:46,530 --> 01:11:50,670 basing it on 1000s of people. In fact, I've heard of no one who's 1156 01:11:50,670 --> 01:11:55,770 reviewing content choices for Bing or for Yahoo. I don't hear 1157 01:11:55,770 --> 01:11:59,280 about that. I hear it's for Google, Facebook and Apple. 1158 01:12:00,570 --> 01:12:03,660 And what's not explained, and you're not explaining it? Is 1159 01:12:03,660 --> 01:12:08,700 Yahoo. If anyone doesn't know, this uses the Google engine? 1160 01:12:08,910 --> 01:12:11,970 I don't know. I don't know that. I don't know what they're using. 1161 01:12:11,970 --> 01:12:14,940 I don't know if they have the exact same data. 1162 01:12:14,940 --> 01:12:18,330 So what they're using is their Dave, Dave, they're using the 1163 01:12:18,330 --> 01:12:19,140 Google engine. 1164 01:12:19,590 --> 01:12:23,220 Well, whatever that means, you need to show me what that means? 1165 01:12:23,250 --> 01:12:26,190 Because I don't believe so. I don't think it's the exact same 1166 01:12:26,190 --> 01:12:29,190 thing Google is using. It just makes no sense. Why would they 1167 01:12:29,460 --> 01:12:30,930 even be contemplating 1168 01:12:31,650 --> 01:12:33,630 the exact same thing? Because you're not getting the exact 1169 01:12:33,630 --> 01:12:37,860 same result? Exactly. But not the sense the word is that 1170 01:12:37,860 --> 01:12:39,390 that's what they're using? Right? 1171 01:12:39,420 --> 01:12:44,220 It does not that that by itself does not mean that they're 1172 01:12:44,580 --> 01:12:48,990 manually or, or overriding the algorithm, because it would have 1173 01:12:48,990 --> 01:12:52,050 been what Yahoo output? No, I don't believe that for a second. 1174 01:12:52,860 --> 01:12:58,920 This is a much bigger problem. Google is biased, the company is 1175 01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:02,670 bias, whatever Google is, is what they will be presenting to 1176 01:13:02,670 --> 01:13:08,640 people. The sad part is, as it turns out, that bias swings, 1177 01:13:08,670 --> 01:13:12,960 large percentages of undetermined voters. That's I 1178 01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:17,010 mean, the only solution in the near term is to make Google 1179 01:13:17,010 --> 01:13:22,890 searching illegal for some period of time, because it's 1180 01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:28,200 it's it's not stoppable, it will not they cannot stop it. It is 1181 01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:31,890 their system, you can go through it. And you can look at every 1182 01:13:31,950 --> 01:13:35,880 every piece of the step logic to see where the results come, 1183 01:13:35,910 --> 01:13:40,110 there won't be no injection of the Oh, it's about Trump. Let's 1184 01:13:40,110 --> 01:13:42,690 give him something else. No, this is happening throughout the 1185 01:13:42,690 --> 01:13:46,410 entire system, the whole their whole data structure is biased, 1186 01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:52,020 you cannot walk away from this. The only other thing I'd like to 1187 01:13:52,020 --> 01:13:55,830 say in this presentation is that sadly, this is not just 1188 01:13:55,830 --> 01:13:59,220 happening with our elections, this is happening everywhere in 1189 01:13:59,220 --> 01:14:02,190 your life. And if you don't know what's going on, you're getting 1190 01:14:02,190 --> 01:14:04,890 screwed. And you're at a disadvantage back to Kathy 1191 01:14:04,890 --> 01:14:05,790 O'Neill for a quickie 1192 01:14:05,850 --> 01:14:08,550 algorithms that sort through resumes or algorithms that 1193 01:14:08,580 --> 01:14:11,460 personality tests or algorithms that decide who is a good 1194 01:14:11,460 --> 01:14:14,400 insurance risk. They're very, very similar to in different 1195 01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:17,940 companies. So they're sorting people in the same kind of way. 1196 01:14:18,510 --> 01:14:22,020 And if you think about what that does, on a society level, it's 1197 01:14:22,020 --> 01:14:25,350 sorting winners and losers in the standard, old fashioned way 1198 01:14:25,350 --> 01:14:27,270 that we've been trying to get over that we've been trying to 1199 01:14:27,270 --> 01:14:30,660 transcend through class or gender or through race, and it's 1200 01:14:30,660 --> 01:14:33,600 against the American dream. You know, it is actually a social 1201 01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:36,390 mobility problem. And that's what I realized I was like, I'm 1202 01:14:36,390 --> 01:14:40,530 working on this. I loved finance. And now what I'm doing 1203 01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:44,130 is I'm, I'm sort of codifying inequality. 1204 01:14:44,700 --> 01:14:49,290 And just as a as a as a goof. I was looking around saying, 1205 01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:54,990 looking for search terms such as how do I beat the the insurance 1206 01:14:54,990 --> 01:14:58,590 algorithm, and there's a lot of information people have figured 1207 01:14:58,590 --> 01:15:03,180 out how do I do circumvent the job site algorithm, you're if 1208 01:15:03,180 --> 01:15:07,380 you put a resume in to a job site, your shit is not even 1209 01:15:07,380 --> 01:15:10,710 getting to people, you're being presorted. And let me give you 1210 01:15:10,710 --> 01:15:14,160 an example. One of the data fields would be Where did you 1211 01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:17,370 hear this commercial, and I heard one just the other day job 1212 01:15:17,370 --> 01:15:23,940 site.com/npr, please go to Job dicom.com. So job site.com/npr. 1213 01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:29,370 You know that in many cases, the algorithm will be looking only 1214 01:15:29,370 --> 01:15:32,820 for those people, whether you listen to NPR or not, they got 1215 01:15:32,820 --> 01:15:35,610 the code, they put that in, those are going to be the smart 1216 01:15:35,610 --> 01:15:38,580 people. There's the one, they're the ones I want screw everything 1217 01:15:38,580 --> 01:15:41,850 else. Same with insurance Colossus, which is this big 1218 01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:45,780 algorithm that is used for almost all the insurance 1219 01:15:45,780 --> 01:15:48,540 companies. And you know, it all starts with, you know, what the 1220 01:15:48,540 --> 01:15:52,920 number one field is, in all of these algorithmic decisions, the 1221 01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:57,720 number one data point for insurance for a job for I don't 1222 01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:00,090 have to tell you all the different things, what is it? 1223 01:16:00,810 --> 01:16:06,600 It's your credit score. Another damn algorithmic piece of crap 1224 01:16:06,630 --> 01:16:10,020 determining your life. So if you're wondering why you're not 1225 01:16:10,020 --> 01:16:13,830 getting a job, maybe you're not submitting it right. In fact, we 1226 01:16:13,830 --> 01:16:17,580 need to have are our data scientists are dudes and 1227 01:16:17,580 --> 01:16:20,130 dudettes named Ben and Bernadette. You need to be 1228 01:16:20,130 --> 01:16:23,070 whistleblowing. What's the bias within your company? You know 1229 01:16:23,070 --> 01:16:26,370 what's happening? You know that something's going on, you know 1230 01:16:26,370 --> 01:16:29,430 that results are being filtered out based upon X, Y, or Z. We 1231 01:16:29,430 --> 01:16:34,260 need whistleblowers. They and it may not even be malicious, but 1232 01:16:34,260 --> 01:16:37,200 it's happening. Your life is being determined by bad data 1233 01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:40,800 choices. Anyone who's a data scientist should be ashamed of 1234 01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:41,580 their field. 1235 01:16:45,810 --> 01:16:48,480 Hey, I've said for years the internet should have been shut 1236 01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:53,190 down. Well, it just wouldn't be not as exacerbated as it is if 1237 01:16:53,190 --> 01:16:54,600 there was no internet. 1238 01:16:55,260 --> 01:16:58,560 That's correct. Well, there's I don't want to 1239 01:16:58,560 --> 01:16:59,970 mention Professor Ted. 1240 01:17:01,350 --> 01:17:03,420 With that I'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the 1241 01:17:03,420 --> 01:17:06,540 morning to you the man who put the C in the carbon captions 1242 01:17:06,660 --> 01:17:08,400 John C. Double 1243 01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:12,270 A you miss random Korean Good morning, all ships at sea boots 1244 01:17:12,270 --> 01:17:16,770 on the ground and shops in the water. There's any out there 1245 01:17:16,770 --> 01:17:19,140 left. And all the names nights out there 1246 01:17:19,170 --> 01:17:23,910 in the morning to our troll room. Yeah, hello, trolls. The 1247 01:17:23,940 --> 01:17:26,610 nothing but stupid comments during that presentation, very 1248 01:17:26,610 --> 01:17:29,730 demotivating. But thank you very much and no agenda stream.com 1249 01:17:29,730 --> 01:17:31,740 shouldn't be looking at the troll room where you're giving a 1250 01:17:31,740 --> 01:17:33,240 presentation like that. It's interesting. 1251 01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:37,020 You say that I have noticed? I don't really 1252 01:17:37,050 --> 01:17:41,580 by the way postop you and does troll room. And I will say 1253 01:17:41,580 --> 01:17:45,780 horror, which is the same way. It's just like the closed 1254 01:17:45,780 --> 01:17:46,440 captioning. 1255 01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:50,010 I don't know what you mean by that. 1256 01:17:50,099 --> 01:17:52,799 It just like an addiction is something because you just need 1257 01:17:52,799 --> 01:17:54,749 this. These words up there? 1258 01:17:54,870 --> 01:18:00,450 No, actually, fuck you know, I've I was I've had it written 1259 01:18:00,450 --> 01:18:05,940 down for a number of episodes to bring this up. There is it's off 1260 01:18:05,940 --> 01:18:08,790 to the side. It's not my main view. It's always scrolling. 1261 01:18:08,790 --> 01:18:12,630 It's a small terminal window. And I always wonder why I pick 1262 01:18:12,630 --> 01:18:15,990 out certain one liners or certain things. And I believe 1263 01:18:15,990 --> 01:18:20,280 what is happening is in my peripheral view, I'm seeing this 1264 01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:25,230 my brain has developed over the course of a decade, develop some 1265 01:18:25,290 --> 01:18:29,190 mechanism to process in the little little side thread 1266 01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:33,120 processing what is being said there. And it actually alerts my 1267 01:18:33,150 --> 01:18:35,790 active speaking brain to look over there when there's 1268 01:18:35,790 --> 01:18:38,310 something that may be of interest. That's what's 1269 01:18:38,310 --> 01:18:40,680 happening. I'm just smart. 1270 01:18:41,009 --> 01:18:45,179 If this is true, I would recommend anybody in the troll 1271 01:18:45,179 --> 01:18:50,729 room to start selling Adams stuff. Because it looks like 1272 01:18:50,729 --> 01:18:52,919 he's open for subliminal suggestion. That's 1273 01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:56,160 exactly what it is. In the morning to Adam at sea, the 1274 01:18:56,160 --> 01:19:00,990 artist who brought us the artwork for episode 1156 title 1275 01:19:00,990 --> 01:19:04,800 of that was befuddle now we chose an evergreen for this and 1276 01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:11,550 I got a really pissed off Bunsen a bunch of messages. Since we 1277 01:19:11,550 --> 01:19:14,550 artists, yes, I got it. I'll tell you exactly who it was 1278 01:19:14,550 --> 01:19:23,070 from. The artist is Hold on. Net Ned. And this was actually my 1279 01:19:23,070 --> 01:19:27,420 favorite piece, which was the Charlie's Angels as the squad. 1280 01:19:28,170 --> 01:19:31,710 And he was yelling and screaming. Well, you're never 1281 01:19:31,710 --> 01:19:35,490 gonna do art anymore. This is so hobbyist. This is the best one. 1282 01:19:35,580 --> 01:19:41,130 And you guys chosen that piece of shit. And I said, Well, this 1283 01:19:41,130 --> 01:19:42,480 is a passionate you know, 1284 01:19:42,480 --> 01:19:45,390 he's very passionate. I said it's interesting because that 1285 01:19:45,390 --> 01:19:48,750 was my favorite piece. And you know, it was I agree with that. 1286 01:19:48,750 --> 01:19:53,070 We both have veto. And you said no, I've seen it on the end M 1287 01:19:53,070 --> 01:19:56,370 five M news. And you you didn't you thought it was you didn't 1288 01:19:56,370 --> 01:19:59,670 like it anyway, but you said you would seen it somewhere else and 1289 01:19:59,670 --> 01:20:02,580 so you've vetoed it. And I was like, Okay, I 1290 01:20:02,580 --> 01:20:05,160 haven't seen that specific piece, but I saw them the 1291 01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:05,910 reference to 1292 01:20:06,810 --> 01:20:09,540 the reference. Yeah, the reference. Well, he was very 1293 01:20:10,170 --> 01:20:12,000 corny, to be honest about it. 1294 01:20:13,889 --> 01:20:16,979 Well, just letting them know what the process 1295 01:20:16,980 --> 01:20:20,370 is. So at least I also don't like the idea of equate. Here's, 1296 01:20:20,460 --> 01:20:23,040 here's my final rationale. And I'll see if he's, if he's 1297 01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:27,240 interested, because we do have to rationalize what we pick. And 1298 01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:31,740 the two of us being the art critics that we are. I didn't 1299 01:20:31,740 --> 01:20:36,510 think it was, it was correct to glorify this group of four in 1300 01:20:36,510 --> 01:20:39,990 that way. I thought it was a glorification piece. I didn't 1301 01:20:39,990 --> 01:20:41,790 think it was appropriate. Well, you 1302 01:20:41,790 --> 01:20:43,620 didn't say that as such. 1303 01:20:43,650 --> 01:20:46,950 I did, too. I did. I remember, I thought 1304 01:20:46,950 --> 01:20:49,440 you said you didn't like it for a number of reasons that maybe 1305 01:20:49,440 --> 01:20:49,530 you 1306 01:20:49,530 --> 01:20:53,190 said, was one of the reasons they were already. Great. You're 1307 01:20:53,190 --> 01:20:55,470 already looking at evergreens. By the time I came up with that. 1308 01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:58,680 It was a glorification piece that was unnecessary and 1309 01:20:59,010 --> 01:20:59,640 improper. 1310 01:20:59,670 --> 01:21:03,000 So I mean, and we look at these things, whenever you want to put 1311 01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:07,080 a person in the artwork, we're going to be hypercritical. So 1312 01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:11,220 you know, having AOC it may be a funny joke to put a little Mensa 1313 01:21:11,220 --> 01:21:14,610 label there. But that's not artwork that I want to click on. 1314 01:21:15,420 --> 01:21:17,910 I don't want to click on her. And just the whole idea is to 1315 01:21:17,910 --> 01:21:21,810 get someone to click on it. So when you when you vilify people 1316 01:21:21,930 --> 01:21:25,980 down, there's a really a 5050 chance it's not even, you know, 1317 01:21:26,010 --> 01:21:27,360 it's just the way it is. 1318 01:21:27,660 --> 01:21:30,450 Yeah, you're asking for trouble. Well, it could be unless you 1319 01:21:30,450 --> 01:21:33,480 make us laugh out loud. I mean, there was a one instance I still 1320 01:21:33,480 --> 01:21:37,590 remember is the George Bush I think is was done by Nick or, or 1321 01:21:37,620 --> 01:21:42,630 Martin JJ one of them. Were George Bush had those big coke 1322 01:21:42,630 --> 01:21:46,440 bottle glasses on in the huge eyeballs. And that was all the 1323 01:21:46,440 --> 01:21:51,330 art was. But when you looked at it, you're cracked up. Right? 1324 01:21:51,330 --> 01:21:54,750 Yeah. So we picked it that's the one that got comic strip 1325 01:21:54,750 --> 01:21:56,280 blogroll bent out of shape, 1326 01:21:56,310 --> 01:22:00,090 right. Also, you know, a lot of if you're there's a lot of kind 1327 01:22:00,090 --> 01:22:01,650 of like mainstream jokes, 1328 01:22:01,650 --> 01:22:04,590 you have to manage artists. Imagine this nightmare. 1329 01:22:05,430 --> 01:22:09,480 Hey, that's your beat. As far as I'm concerned. Managing the 1330 01:22:09,480 --> 01:22:10,350 artists you deserve 1331 01:22:10,380 --> 01:22:13,200 always been a nightmare for anybody who's worked in, you 1332 01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:14,700 know, as with an art director, 1333 01:22:14,730 --> 01:22:17,520 well, thank you very much Adam at sea and all of the artists 1334 01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:21,450 who always participate or not, it's okay. It's totally 1335 01:22:21,450 --> 01:22:24,930 understood and I get it. It's a you spend a lot of time you 1336 01:22:24,930 --> 01:22:27,900 don't get chosen. It sucks. No agenda are generated.com 1337 01:22:27,900 --> 01:22:31,740 that piece with Charlie's Angels thing was there was some effort 1338 01:22:31,740 --> 01:22:33,570 put into it. It wasn't like a toss away. 1339 01:22:33,599 --> 01:22:38,069 No, it wasn't at all. But it was irked Of course he was irked 1340 01:22:38,729 --> 01:22:42,269 just wanted to make sure voice was heard. Anyway, I made sure 1341 01:22:42,269 --> 01:22:45,029 that he hates you now and not both of us are me. So 1342 01:22:45,090 --> 01:22:49,170 yeah, I'm the I'm I'm the one responsible for vetoing that. 1343 01:22:49,290 --> 01:22:50,010 That particular 1344 01:22:50,010 --> 01:22:53,160 piece. Yeah. Anyway, we appreciate the work that all of 1345 01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:56,700 our artists do. And we also really survived by our executive 1346 01:22:56,700 --> 01:22:59,400 producers Associate Executive Bruce's and all producers who 1347 01:22:59,670 --> 01:23:02,880 support us financially. And we like thanking those the top 1348 01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:05,460 category as quickly as we can, even though we're a little 1349 01:23:05,460 --> 01:23:08,910 behind today in the show. So let's see who we have on today's 1350 01:23:08,910 --> 01:23:09,420 list. 1351 01:23:10,710 --> 01:23:12,990 Well, at the top of the list is our buddy Serrana Miss of 1352 01:23:12,990 --> 01:23:17,190 Dogpatch and Laura Sylvia this this is monthly Yeah, I believe 1353 01:23:17,190 --> 01:23:21,390 so this is a you know, various endeavors is never the same $900 1354 01:23:21,390 --> 01:23:21,930 is some sort of, 1355 01:23:23,130 --> 01:23:25,290 we're gonna figure this out one of these days, we 1356 01:23:25,290 --> 01:23:28,740 never it's, it's a long arc. So it's gonna maybe it's a code 1357 01:23:28,740 --> 01:23:29,820 for somebody else. 1358 01:23:31,890 --> 01:23:34,320 Thank you to all the producers for their continued support of 1359 01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:38,610 this show. I would also like to thank your respective spouses 1360 01:23:38,610 --> 01:23:42,270 for their support and tolerance of your work demands. This year 1361 01:23:42,270 --> 01:23:45,450 alone you have worked on national holidays on vacations 1362 01:23:45,450 --> 01:23:49,680 and wild traveling. Right Mimi and Tina thank you both for your 1363 01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:53,130 sharing your spouse's the for the sharing of your spouses and 1364 01:23:53,130 --> 01:23:57,960 what would otherwise in what would otherwise be your time. 1365 01:23:58,530 --> 01:24:00,780 That sort of personal experience. Having a spouse that 1366 01:24:00,780 --> 01:24:04,170 is both socially and politically engaged provides insight you 1367 01:24:04,170 --> 01:24:09,780 cannot achieve independently. Non donors Attention, please 1368 01:24:09,810 --> 01:24:14,010 send some money or the show goes the way of Alfred E. Newman. 1369 01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:17,190 It may take 30 years but one day, 1370 01:24:18,180 --> 01:24:20,550 the growing number and sophistication of moneyed 1371 01:24:20,550 --> 01:24:24,000 organizations using all media outlets to sway opinion is 1372 01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:27,810 lucrative to the creators of the propaganda and we need to 1373 01:24:27,810 --> 01:24:31,800 support those that help us see through their agenda with no 1374 01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:38,190 agenda. previous wars were over physical territory now 1375 01:24:38,220 --> 01:24:42,450 advertisers of all kinds including ideologues use M five 1376 01:24:42,450 --> 01:24:46,140 M and the social media wars to win the territory of your mind 1377 01:24:46,440 --> 01:24:50,640 using the old saying generals always fight the last war. So 1378 01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:55,110 politicians is social media fight the last internet or it is 1379 01:24:55,110 --> 01:24:58,260 the war of ideas with growing expertise to win more minds 1380 01:24:58,260 --> 01:25:00,750 giving the power to influence culture. Your society and 1381 01:25:00,750 --> 01:25:05,640 politics. It is more infectious than measles. deconstruction is 1382 01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:09,420 the best vaccine. Well not as financially lucrative. It 1383 01:25:09,420 --> 01:25:14,640 vaccinates the participants. Again, listeners donate Wow, 1384 01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:17,340 it's all victims of our own life experiences. Thank you for 1385 01:25:17,340 --> 01:25:18,360 sharing yours. 1386 01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:22,920 Wow. Serrana mess of lower slobodian of Dogpatch and lower 1387 01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:26,760 Slobo via thank you that's one of his most succinct calls to 1388 01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:27,150 action 1389 01:25:27,150 --> 01:25:31,530 have heard. Yeah, maybe reproducible and, and I think we 1390 01:25:31,530 --> 01:25:37,350 kind of prove that in our our search engine bias. conversation 1391 01:25:37,350 --> 01:25:41,700 that is a war and you're losing we're all losing we are losing. 1392 01:25:43,020 --> 01:25:44,130 Losing big time. 1393 01:25:44,790 --> 01:25:47,370 I'm gonna I'm gonna give him a car. He never asked for it. Oh, 1394 01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:47,580 yeah, 1395 01:25:47,580 --> 01:25:48,960 he never does give him one yet. 1396 01:25:49,110 --> 01:25:54,120 I think that would be appropriate. You've got karma 1397 01:25:57,480 --> 01:26:02,310 may not want what he doesn't have to take it. Or in this cell 1398 01:26:02,310 --> 01:26:09,810 Miss Celmins Celmins. Yeah. Celmins CL mi ns 33333 jobs. 1399 01:26:09,810 --> 01:26:16,170 Karma is appreciated. Jobs. Jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote 1400 01:26:16,170 --> 01:26:24,360 for jobs. Karma E. 1401 01:26:25,710 --> 01:26:29,550 P? Yeah. Yeah, it looks right. I think it's Estonia. 1402 01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:34,620 Okay, now per domain. Check it out. Somebody out there. Top 1403 01:26:34,620 --> 01:26:44,010 Level Domain is E, dystonia. 3:33am came in with Rena $33.33 1404 01:26:44,790 --> 01:26:51,990 And his name is 33333 hours and 33 minutes Am I would like to 1405 01:26:51,990 --> 01:26:54,780 keep my name and location anonymous. Okay, but feel free 1406 01:26:54,780 --> 01:26:58,530 to call me 3:33am. Last year when I donate I asked for some 1407 01:26:58,530 --> 01:27:03,570 baby making karma. Karma were works by incoming in the 1408 01:27:03,570 --> 01:27:06,630 interest of helping others who are struggling to conceive. I'll 1409 01:27:06,630 --> 01:27:12,240 share what we did. First is a step by step. How to have a 1410 01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:12,510 baby, 1411 01:27:12,810 --> 01:27:14,850 baby. Should I be taking notes here or 1412 01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:19,860 number one? Yeah, donate to no agenda. 1413 01:27:21,750 --> 01:27:23,400 It's all it always helps can't hurt. 1414 01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:28,260 Next, as John anatomy can no doubt attest, all women are 1415 01:27:28,260 --> 01:27:32,460 different. But medicine tends to assume all women are the same. 1416 01:27:32,820 --> 01:27:36,480 At least in reproduction terms. My wife started using the 1417 01:27:36,480 --> 01:27:40,110 Creighton model fertility care system, which tracks your normal 1418 01:27:40,110 --> 01:27:42,930 biological markers. The goal of this system is to know when baby 1419 01:27:42,930 --> 01:27:47,250 making is most likely and to see if there are other issues. From 1420 01:27:47,250 --> 01:27:51,540 this tracking, we discovered my wife had luteal phase defect. 1421 01:27:51,750 --> 01:27:55,290 And this was confirmed by blood tests. Well not uncommon. Some 1422 01:27:55,290 --> 01:27:59,670 women have short cycles and low progesterone. For those that 1423 01:27:59,670 --> 01:28:03,150 don't know progesterone is the chemical in the body that 1424 01:28:03,150 --> 01:28:06,840 maintains the pregnancy after it started. It's also used as a 1425 01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:10,680 birth control mechanism. So between Cara the Creighton model 1426 01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:13,710 to know when baby making is most likely to be successful in 1427 01:28:13,710 --> 01:28:18,030 progesterone supplement to keep the pregnancy going. We are 1428 01:28:18,030 --> 01:28:22,080 expecting a child at the end of this year. All right. Hashtag 1429 01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:25,620 winning. This has been a long time coming and if I can help 1430 01:28:25,650 --> 01:28:28,620 others struggling to have a child and I hope this note does 1431 01:28:28,620 --> 01:28:31,680 that. I want to say it was great meeting Adam and the keeper to 1432 01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:36,630 Des Moines, Iowa meet up for clips. I would like it it's true 1433 01:28:36,660 --> 01:28:42,420 respect. And at the end of the day, some triple or quadruple 1434 01:28:42,420 --> 01:28:46,830 strength relationship karma, if you got it for Scott of The tall 1435 01:28:46,830 --> 01:28:51,000 corn who hit me in the mouth and who has been on a long dry spell 1436 01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:55,350 if you know what I mean. Thanks for all you do. 3:33am 1437 01:28:55,470 --> 01:29:01,140 and I want to mention something last night, the keeper and I 1438 01:29:01,170 --> 01:29:05,910 went to Celeste barber she had a show here in Austin at the 1439 01:29:05,910 --> 01:29:10,170 Paramount actually was pretty packed. You probably never heard 1440 01:29:10,170 --> 01:29:12,480 of Celeste barber I wouldn't have heard of her either. 1441 01:29:12,480 --> 01:29:16,770 Norwood Tina. She has something on Instagram which I don't look 1442 01:29:16,770 --> 01:29:21,690 at But Tina follows her which is the Celeste barber challenge. 1443 01:29:21,930 --> 01:29:25,440 And she's from Australia and she's a good looking woman but 1444 01:29:25,440 --> 01:29:29,580 she's not not a model if I can if that explains what I'm 1445 01:29:29,580 --> 01:29:33,810 talking about. And so you know a model will be doing something 1446 01:29:33,930 --> 01:29:37,500 gracious you know getting out a Kate Upton actually slipping out 1447 01:29:37,500 --> 01:29:41,280 of a pool with her breasts protruding and the water just 1448 01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:44,370 slipping off her svelte body. And then she'll post a picture 1449 01:29:44,370 --> 01:29:47,130 of that and have her do it out of her doing the same thing, 1450 01:29:47,310 --> 01:29:52,260 which of course, is hilarious. And so this was really a comedy 1451 01:29:52,260 --> 01:29:57,060 show, probably more for women than anything. But I learned a 1452 01:29:57,060 --> 01:30:01,950 lot of things about giving birth. and being pregnant that I 1453 01:30:01,950 --> 01:30:06,690 never knew about. And if you if your wife is expecting see if 1454 01:30:06,690 --> 01:30:09,690 you can catch a Celeste barber show you will be both horrified 1455 01:30:09,690 --> 01:30:13,950 and informed. There's a lot of things we as guys don't know and 1456 01:30:13,950 --> 01:30:18,000 it's probably it might have been better we didn't keep it that 1457 01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:18,210 way 1458 01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:25,590 ESP IICT 1459 01:30:26,220 --> 01:30:28,740 but at the end of the day they're backing you know they're 1460 01:30:28,740 --> 01:30:33,060 backing come on at the end of the day. At the end of the day, 1461 01:30:33,060 --> 01:30:38,370 John if someone wants to get anyone they can get at the end 1462 01:30:38,370 --> 01:30:40,380 of the day you've got karma 1463 01:30:44,490 --> 01:30:47,040 onward Associate Executive Producer starting with Abel 1464 01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:54,330 Kirby Abel Kirby aka shout outs to local 719 for great meetup 1465 01:30:54,330 --> 01:30:57,180 Colorado just to get US 1466 01:30:57,210 --> 01:31:00,810 Department of Transportation for allowing the negative mind 1467 01:31:00,990 --> 01:31:02,160 building practice 1468 01:31:02,250 --> 01:31:05,460 right negligent building practices resulted in a collapse 1469 01:31:05,460 --> 01:31:10,170 section of a highway on us 36 Oh wow. Sewer chat, but I'm not 1470 01:31:10,170 --> 01:31:10,920 sure why. 1471 01:31:11,310 --> 01:31:12,630 That's Nick the rats sewer. 1472 01:31:13,980 --> 01:31:15,120 Super Chat. Yeah, 1473 01:31:15,269 --> 01:31:17,999 everybody loves a little Super Chat. I want some karma for 1474 01:31:17,999 --> 01:31:21,239 that. You've got karma. 1475 01:31:23,550 --> 01:31:28,560 In Toronto, we've got Carolyn Blaney. Dame Carolyn, she's 1476 01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:34,080 gonna be Dame anyway. Toronto to a 333 and she's got her Dame 1477 01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:38,880 hood coming up. Please say hogs story mofos and play the 1478 01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:42,600 Reverend l resist we much parallel universe jingle and a 1479 01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:46,560 full version of we don't there is no parallel universe jingle 1480 01:31:46,590 --> 01:31:48,180 we have the transition machine. 1481 01:31:49,230 --> 01:31:52,140 But then we have to go into the parallel universe which is not 1482 01:31:52,140 --> 01:31:55,980 really a jingle that may not be usable. And the full version of 1483 01:31:55,980 --> 01:31:57,990 slash n well we could do that the end 1484 01:31:58,019 --> 01:32:00,629 what is what is slash n and what is slash n? 1485 01:32:01,169 --> 01:32:05,519 I don't know. Anyway whatever it is that she's confusing us with 1486 01:32:05,819 --> 01:32:11,369 this donation brings her to Dame hood as she requests she needs 1487 01:32:11,369 --> 01:32:13,949 some new stuff to get your pencil out she requests extra 1488 01:32:13,949 --> 01:32:20,579 coffee and a hot sauce at the roundtable Okay. Got it Carolyn 1489 01:32:20,579 --> 01:32:26,399 of Hogtown do we get these Toronto dame's you know, couple 1490 01:32:26,399 --> 01:32:29,939 of them now. Fun fact Toronto was often referred to as hog 1491 01:32:29,939 --> 01:32:33,209 town in the 1890s That's why she wants to be named Carolyn of hog 1492 01:32:33,209 --> 01:32:36,449 town. Because the meatpacking was one of the city's main 1493 01:32:36,449 --> 01:32:39,449 industries at the time was Chicago like that's interesting 1494 01:32:39,449 --> 01:32:44,309 because that was Chicago's main industry for years. In fact, 1495 01:32:44,309 --> 01:32:46,289 when I was a little kid I remember there's there were 1496 01:32:46,289 --> 01:32:51,179 still major meatpacking town I went in on the California Zephyr 1497 01:32:51,179 --> 01:32:55,199 and you go right through these giant curds of animals. 1498 01:32:55,710 --> 01:32:59,370 So what could the slash and full jingle of it mean divorce? 1499 01:32:59,370 --> 01:33:01,230 act.org/in a 1500 01:33:01,260 --> 01:33:05,370 maybe? No, no, no. Slash and it says specifically slash 1501 01:33:05,490 --> 01:33:10,680 IE and I haven't I have no idea. Well, why don't we do a Karma 1502 01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:14,130 we'll do the we'll do a sharpen resist and maybe someone can let 1503 01:33:14,130 --> 01:33:16,110 me know what she's talking about. Resist. 1504 01:33:16,290 --> 01:33:23,940 We must. We must. And we will much about that. Be committed. 1505 01:33:24,360 --> 01:33:26,040 You've got karma 1506 01:33:29,910 --> 01:33:41,040 Simon blood, blood. Lipids. Lipids iski $200.02. Great show 1507 01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:44,100 last Thursday. John and Adam love them Thursdays. Keep it 1508 01:33:44,100 --> 01:33:48,330 short. I'm beginning becoming a night today. It's cool. I'll 1509 01:33:48,330 --> 01:33:52,110 tell everyone in Spanish. If I can request a jingle please have 1510 01:33:52,470 --> 01:33:54,570 Bill Clinton who can do the most 1511 01:33:54,630 --> 01:33:58,590 again. What is the I don't recall any jingle who can do the 1512 01:33:58,590 --> 01:33:59,250 most 1513 01:34:00,660 --> 01:34:02,730 it says an oldie Yeah, well 1514 01:34:02,730 --> 01:34:03,720 it's I don't know how 1515 01:34:03,990 --> 01:34:06,660 Hillary barking you got the Hillary got the barking? Yeah, 1516 01:34:06,660 --> 01:34:12,750 sure. If too hard to pull, which it is I'll settle for John 1517 01:34:12,750 --> 01:34:17,910 during the foamer that's not me. Thanks John for the night table 1518 01:34:17,910 --> 01:34:21,660 if any left pot and vinegar for the nights Can you put pot and 1519 01:34:21,660 --> 01:34:25,830 vinegar on the list of pot and vinegar added to the list for 1520 01:34:25,830 --> 01:34:28,320 the Knights and Dames out there I would like to be known as Sir 1521 01:34:28,650 --> 01:34:35,670 Veeck P E C night. Two nights zero servic night 1522 01:34:36,990 --> 01:34:41,220 servio valgum ah sir V ignites I get it. 1523 01:34:41,639 --> 01:34:44,849 Love and Light and such pew pew. That's true. 1524 01:34:45,330 --> 01:34:50,940 That's pew Oh, he wants it does he want those jingles? I mean, 1525 01:34:50,970 --> 01:34:57,540 please, if you're gonna do jingles then give us the list 1526 01:34:57,540 --> 01:34:57,750 and 1527 01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:01,860 grow To get the guys in need, you should be nice. 1528 01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:06,420 Gross, gross before he becomes a knight. I just, you know, as I 1529 01:35:06,420 --> 01:35:09,720 prepare these things and have everything ready and then I get 1530 01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:10,740 all these curveballs 1531 01:35:12,870 --> 01:35:21,900 oh my god you've got Parma 1532 01:35:24,630 --> 01:35:27,900 you did it fine. And that would be our last of our Associate 1533 01:35:27,900 --> 01:35:32,490 Executive producers for show 1157 Heinz 57 We got 1534 01:35:34,260 --> 01:35:38,100 Wow, did we get an extra little thing in our paycheck for that 1535 01:35:38,100 --> 01:35:38,460 one? 1536 01:35:38,910 --> 01:35:42,990 Good thing Heinz 50 Cake line signs 1537 01:35:42,990 --> 01:35:46,740 5737. 1538 01:35:47,190 --> 01:35:49,830 So don't want to thank all these folks that makes the show 1539 01:35:49,830 --> 01:35:52,980 possible. We want to and especially on Sundays or 1540 01:35:53,010 --> 01:35:55,470 donations are not usually that great. 1541 01:35:55,770 --> 01:35:59,010 And these are official credits you producers and executive or 1542 01:35:59,010 --> 01:36:01,530 executive producers and Associate Executive producers. 1543 01:36:03,030 --> 01:36:05,910 These things are valuable. I know Serrana must have Dogpatch 1544 01:36:05,910 --> 01:36:09,540 may not use them for whatever reasons he has. But everyone 1545 01:36:09,540 --> 01:36:12,570 else I'd suggest you put them on your LinkedIn you can put them 1546 01:36:12,570 --> 01:36:16,350 anywhere where it apparently it trips algos, when you're looking 1547 01:36:16,350 --> 01:36:20,430 for a job. There you go. Support us for our Thursday show go to 1548 01:36:20,430 --> 01:36:23,430 vorak.org/n 1549 01:36:23,490 --> 01:36:26,100 a well now you know all about that you know all about the 1550 01:36:26,100 --> 01:36:28,410 algos until you go out there and propagate it. 1551 01:36:28,530 --> 01:36:33,210 Our formula is this. We go out for yet people in the mouth. 1552 01:36:48,630 --> 01:36:53,700 Kouga so I've been putting a lot of notes on Twitter, demanding 1553 01:36:53,700 --> 01:36:56,160 that they start putting Hillary on these polls. 1554 01:36:56,580 --> 01:37:01,050 Yes. You are now in the Democrat Hall of Fame. I believe that 1555 01:37:01,050 --> 01:37:02,820 people really love you trying to bring her in. 1556 01:37:03,570 --> 01:37:09,750 I think she'd be all you knows no guru. They don't want her 1557 01:37:09,780 --> 01:37:12,990 that's probably a true maybe it's not true. All I know is 1558 01:37:12,990 --> 01:37:15,150 that if you're going to start doing these comparisons about 1559 01:37:15,150 --> 01:37:17,730 who can be tropical, who's gonna get the most votes and who can 1560 01:37:17,730 --> 01:37:21,660 get the nomination? Why isn't she on there? Just as a test. 1561 01:37:21,660 --> 01:37:25,050 I'm with Biden was on there before he ever declared to run. 1562 01:37:25,080 --> 01:37:30,840 I'm with you. I'm with you. Okay, so the reason would be 1563 01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:35,940 they hate her that even with Google's biased algorithm in her 1564 01:37:35,940 --> 01:37:41,040 favor, she still lost. would these be the reasons? They don't 1565 01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:42,030 want to do something? 1566 01:37:42,060 --> 01:37:46,590 It happened somewhere? Let you know. Here's what my thinking is 1567 01:37:46,590 --> 01:37:50,160 because I've been trying to figure this out myself. I think 1568 01:37:50,160 --> 01:37:54,180 that Hillary was not a good candidate, because she really 1569 01:37:54,180 --> 01:37:59,280 didn't she she just thought she was gonna waltz in. And she did. 1570 01:37:59,310 --> 01:38:02,430 They are no effort. She had her same cronies running the 1571 01:38:02,430 --> 01:38:07,200 campaign that they were doing that last Obama. They're lazy 1572 01:38:07,200 --> 01:38:10,950 campaigners. And they didn't really do a very good job of it. 1573 01:38:10,980 --> 01:38:14,670 Because she because they already talked themselves into believing 1574 01:38:14,670 --> 01:38:18,060 like the Democrats. Do. They talk themselves into believing 1575 01:38:18,060 --> 01:38:20,910 that they're gonna run against some bonehead this Trump guy's 1576 01:38:20,910 --> 01:38:21,780 job on fact, 1577 01:38:21,780 --> 01:38:25,650 they wanted him Why can't they wanted him to be candidates 1578 01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:28,020 like, Oh, please don't be so great. We need him to be 1579 01:38:28,020 --> 01:38:29,910 candidate. It'll be so easy. The 1580 01:38:29,910 --> 01:38:32,730 media was all in on that. So they kept on I will say it 1581 01:38:32,940 --> 01:38:37,710 again. According to reports, because I don't know the media 1582 01:38:37,710 --> 01:38:43,590 won't cover Bernie is that I less likely to blame Schultz for 1583 01:38:43,590 --> 01:38:47,250 the screw up with Bernie or you know, putting Bernie on the side 1584 01:38:47,490 --> 01:38:51,120 than I am the media. The media would cover every giant Trump 1585 01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:54,330 rally. There were 25,000 people at a Trump rally, let's say an 1586 01:38:54,330 --> 01:38:58,980 average. And there was 50 People 100 People 200 People at a 1587 01:38:58,980 --> 01:39:04,170 Hillary rally and 25,000 or more at a Bernie rally. They would 1588 01:39:04,170 --> 01:39:08,760 not cover the Bernie rally so and they're still not covering I 1589 01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:12,210 understand I not don't know for a fact because I know media is 1590 01:39:12,210 --> 01:39:15,240 not covering it. But I heard there was a one Bernie rally 1591 01:39:15,240 --> 01:39:17,700 recently with 50,000 people attending I wouldn't 1592 01:39:17,700 --> 01:39:20,550 surprise me this is this has been very consistent with his 1593 01:39:20,550 --> 01:39:24,210 campaigning. But of course he's not really a Democrat and they 1594 01:39:24,210 --> 01:39:27,870 all know it that's why he just he just leeching off our ticket 1595 01:39:27,870 --> 01:39:29,550 like a good socialist would do I think 1596 01:39:30,120 --> 01:39:33,660 there's an element of that he's not a Democrat is an independent 1597 01:39:34,770 --> 01:39:38,310 so now I corns in at the end I can see them not wanting him you 1598 01:39:38,310 --> 01:39:40,920 know, that guy's not even a Democrat as an independent. You 1599 01:39:40,920 --> 01:39:45,240 just using us, you know, using us he's, he's a US user. He's 1600 01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:46,440 socialist user. 1601 01:39:47,580 --> 01:39:49,170 Socialist user has. 1602 01:39:49,680 --> 01:39:54,270 That's what he is. That's what he is. Okay, so 1603 01:39:54,270 --> 01:39:59,430 I just want to see I just want just put Hillary on a pole. I 1604 01:39:59,430 --> 01:40:00,810 mean by You know, when those polls 1605 01:40:01,680 --> 01:40:05,430 Double L not and not le Yeah, I got hit on a sticker on. 1606 01:40:06,030 --> 01:40:07,560 It was she? She does. 1607 01:40:09,330 --> 01:40:14,700 I love the story that Bernie's campaign workers who have a 1608 01:40:14,700 --> 01:40:20,790 union are thinking of striking because he's not paying him $15 1609 01:40:20,790 --> 01:40:25,230 an hour, which is what he's the very proposal he's making. For 1610 01:40:25,230 --> 01:40:28,050 the rest of the country. Yes. Oh, it's fant. Oh, crap. I 1611 01:40:28,050 --> 01:40:30,390 thought for sure you would have had something about that. Oh, I 1612 01:40:30,390 --> 01:40:33,570 missed this. Oh, this is great. Yeah, they're all saying, Hey, 1613 01:40:33,630 --> 01:40:37,350 we work in 60 or 70 hours. You know, we're making the 1614 01:40:37,350 --> 01:40:41,580 equivalent of about 1350. So you got to up it for us, you know, 1615 01:40:41,580 --> 01:40:45,690 we need to have 15 $15. Now or this is what you're proposing 1616 01:40:45,810 --> 01:40:49,920 here. Labor fight Royals, Bernie Sanders campaign, as workers 1617 01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:53,640 demand the $15 hourly pay the candidate has proposed for 1618 01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:55,500 employees nationwide. 1619 01:40:57,930 --> 01:41:01,260 Well, you know, Bernie, Bernie, when they busted him last go 1620 01:41:01,260 --> 01:41:04,800 around when he was like, there was some sexism or some crap in 1621 01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:07,440 the campaign. They throw it at him at the end. I said, what 1622 01:41:07,440 --> 01:41:10,350 what about this? And what about that? Bernie is really good at 1623 01:41:10,350 --> 01:41:13,770 deflecting this stuff. Oh, come out and say, I didn't know about 1624 01:41:13,770 --> 01:41:18,900 it. Make a big stink about it. And then you said, Well, I will 1625 01:41:18,900 --> 01:41:19,590 look into it. 1626 01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:24,090 May I just say, You're Bernie's pretty good 1627 01:41:24,690 --> 01:41:32,010 to get in there. Horowitz has got it nailed. Interesting. So 1628 01:41:33,570 --> 01:41:35,670 let's see if i Hey, all right. So you got a few of these going. 1629 01:41:35,670 --> 01:41:40,620 There's a I got a weird gaff the Judy had a gaff on PBS. That was 1630 01:41:40,620 --> 01:41:42,630 kind of odd. 1631 01:41:42,990 --> 01:41:44,760 Okay, can we go straight to it? 1632 01:41:45,150 --> 01:41:48,030 Yeah. And that's on health care. Bernie Sanders is out there 1633 01:41:48,030 --> 01:41:52,170 saying, let's move to single payer doubling down on that 1634 01:41:52,170 --> 01:41:55,080 saying that's the way we take care of all Americans. But you 1635 01:41:55,080 --> 01:41:59,400 have Al Gore doubling down on Obamacare. What does this add up 1636 01:41:59,400 --> 01:41:59,820 to? 1637 01:41:59,849 --> 01:42:04,649 Yeah, I mean, the Joe Biden was What did I say? I said Al Gore. 1638 01:42:05,699 --> 01:42:08,279 He made the debate stage. 1639 01:42:09,270 --> 01:42:12,180 Overshadowed, but not that much. Joe Biden, Joe Biden. 1640 01:42:13,170 --> 01:42:14,880 What was going on in her head? 1641 01:42:16,200 --> 01:42:19,380 I was thinking the same thing. I mean, you can make all kinds of 1642 01:42:19,380 --> 01:42:21,840 different mistakes, but Al Gore, 1643 01:42:22,500 --> 01:42:26,880 she was probably first thinking of VP Yeah, because Biden was 1644 01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:31,410 vice president. And then she probably thought of some dick. 1645 01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:37,830 Oh, yeah. Must have been I don't know something weird. Strange, 1646 01:42:37,830 --> 01:42:38,040 just 1647 01:42:39,330 --> 01:42:40,710 very peculiar. That 1648 01:42:40,710 --> 01:42:44,820 is kind of odd. It's very odd. Well, at least someone caught up 1649 01:42:44,820 --> 01:42:47,430 call her out on it. She that doesn't even happen that often 1650 01:42:47,430 --> 01:42:48,000 anymore. 1651 01:42:48,630 --> 01:42:52,350 No, usually they just keeps going. Now there's a story that 1652 01:42:52,350 --> 01:42:55,170 was on democracy that worked I've said this before democracy 1653 01:42:55,170 --> 01:43:03,030 now is not a great news outlet but but it occasionally they do 1654 01:43:03,030 --> 01:43:05,880 stories that nobody else touches. I agree 1655 01:43:05,880 --> 01:43:08,130 with that. That doesn't mean that they're good or they're 1656 01:43:08,160 --> 01:43:09,600 correct. They do them 1657 01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:12,270 but they at least I mean that that you have to give them 1658 01:43:12,270 --> 01:43:14,130 credit for In fact, that's one of the reasons I'm always 1659 01:43:14,130 --> 01:43:18,060 compelled to listen to the show. A lot of it's eye rolling a lot 1660 01:43:18,060 --> 01:43:20,730 of it that they do they do the association stories where they 1661 01:43:20,730 --> 01:43:23,430 talk about one thing and switch to another to make you associate 1662 01:43:23,430 --> 01:43:27,030 I don't like that. I have an example of that today. Okay, but 1663 01:43:27,030 --> 01:43:31,800 there's this one. And to be honest about it. I don't 1664 01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:34,470 remember the story at all. And this is the story about 1665 01:43:34,470 --> 01:43:39,660 Katherine Gunn and only democracy now covered it. It was 1666 01:43:39,660 --> 01:43:45,450 the she was a wish whistleblower for GCHQ the British the British 1667 01:43:45,450 --> 01:43:49,260 the whistle on the first go round did the British Intel arms 1668 01:43:50,130 --> 01:43:56,130 Yeah, they stands for Government Communications Headquarters. And 1669 01:43:56,130 --> 01:44:04,680 it's na it's the in fantasy and it's a of England. And she was a 1670 01:44:04,830 --> 01:44:07,920 worker there and she blew the whistle on some bull crap that 1671 01:44:07,920 --> 01:44:11,850 was going on some black male, which is what we'd say these 1672 01:44:11,850 --> 01:44:15,990 agencies are good for that was going to happen and this is 1673 01:44:16,020 --> 01:44:19,500 before the Iraq War came up with the idea well met weapons of 1674 01:44:19,500 --> 01:44:21,690 mass destruction, they were gonna go in there first. And 1675 01:44:21,690 --> 01:44:24,330 they're going to use these tricks a trick to get in there 1676 01:44:25,140 --> 01:44:27,780 without having to bullcrap the public with their weapons of 1677 01:44:27,780 --> 01:44:33,300 mass destruction. And so her story is just discussed on 1678 01:44:33,300 --> 01:44:35,880 Democracy Now because it was a covered it and so let's listen 1679 01:44:35,880 --> 01:44:38,850 to this as a long clip as two minutes little over two minutes. 1680 01:44:39,120 --> 01:44:41,070 Catherine Gunn story dn 1681 01:44:41,100 --> 01:44:43,740 has the British government says it's identified the person who 1682 01:44:43,740 --> 01:44:46,650 leaked cables that forced out the British ambassador to the 1683 01:44:46,650 --> 01:44:50,070 United States for calling President Trump inept. We look 1684 01:44:50,070 --> 01:44:52,950 at the real life political thriller of a British 1685 01:44:52,980 --> 01:44:57,240 intelligence specialist who risked everything to blow the 1686 01:44:57,240 --> 01:45:01,590 whistle on us dirty strict on us dirty tricks at the United 1687 01:45:01,590 --> 01:45:05,310 Nations in the lead up to the Iraq invasion. In 2003, 1688 01:45:05,310 --> 01:45:07,830 Catherine Gunn was working for Britain's Government 1689 01:45:07,830 --> 01:45:12,000 Communications Headquarters known as GCHQ, the intelligence 1690 01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:15,690 agency similar to the National Security Agency here, when she 1691 01:45:15,690 --> 01:45:18,870 opened a top secret NSA memorandum, the highly 1692 01:45:18,870 --> 01:45:21,810 confidential memo revealed the United States was collaborating 1693 01:45:21,810 --> 01:45:24,660 with Britain and collecting sensitive information on United 1694 01:45:24,660 --> 01:45:28,290 Nations Security Council members in order to pressure them into 1695 01:45:28,290 --> 01:45:31,950 supporting the Iraq invasion. Guided by her conscience, 1696 01:45:31,950 --> 01:45:35,310 Catherine Gunn defied her government and leaked the memo 1697 01:45:35,310 --> 01:45:38,460 to the press setting off the chain of events that jeopardized 1698 01:45:38,460 --> 01:45:42,090 her freedom, her safety, but also opened the door to putting 1699 01:45:42,090 --> 01:45:46,710 the entire Iraq invasion on trial. Acclaimed Pentagon Papers 1700 01:45:46,710 --> 01:45:49,170 whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg described Catherine Gunn's 1701 01:45:49,170 --> 01:45:52,140 action as the most important and courageous leak I have ever 1702 01:45:52,170 --> 01:45:55,950 seen. Dan Ellsberg said no one else including myself has ever 1703 01:45:55,950 --> 01:45:58,590 done what Catherine Gutten did tell secret truths of personal 1704 01:45:58,590 --> 01:46:03,180 risk before an imminent war in time possibly to avert it. Well 1705 01:46:03,180 --> 01:46:06,390 now Catherine Gunn story is being told in the new film 1706 01:46:06,570 --> 01:46:10,170 official secrets starring Keira Knightley. At the time her 1707 01:46:10,170 --> 01:46:13,890 actions received very little attention from journalists in 1708 01:46:13,890 --> 01:46:19,140 the United States. Unless call democracy now. In 2004, 1709 01:46:19,170 --> 01:46:23,460 Democracy Now interviewed Catherine gun. I asked her why 1710 01:46:23,460 --> 01:46:25,620 she decided to leak the memo. 1711 01:46:26,370 --> 01:46:32,850 When I saw this email, asking GCHQ is help to bug the six 1712 01:46:32,850 --> 01:46:39,750 swing nations to get a vote for for war with Iraq. I was very 1713 01:46:39,750 --> 01:46:43,950 angry at first and very saddened that it had come to this. And 1714 01:46:43,950 --> 01:46:49,620 that despite all the talk from a both Tony Blair and George Bush, 1715 01:46:49,950 --> 01:46:55,650 about how important it was to get the UN on, on board and to 1716 01:46:55,860 --> 01:47:00,270 legitimize any kind of aggression, that they were 1717 01:47:00,270 --> 01:47:06,210 actually going around it in such low handed manner. So I decided 1718 01:47:06,210 --> 01:47:13,530 that the risk to my career was minut compared to the upcoming 1719 01:47:13,530 --> 01:47:14,370 war in Iraq, 1720 01:47:14,940 --> 01:47:18,300 just for context, the Six Nations that the 1721 01:47:19,050 --> 01:47:22,860 this in the next clip, oh, okay, then I'll be quiet. Now, the 1722 01:47:22,860 --> 01:47:25,500 reason that the next clip is they actually brought her on 1723 01:47:25,500 --> 01:47:29,400 again, she's on the show now. And they're asking her about the 1724 01:47:29,400 --> 01:47:32,100 Six Nations in this and they have the director of the movie 1725 01:47:32,100 --> 01:47:34,080 there, and a whole bunch of other people. It's actually a 1726 01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:37,890 big group, and she's there. And a couple of things, I find it 1727 01:47:37,890 --> 01:47:42,420 fascinating, which is one is that, and we've discussed this 1728 01:47:42,420 --> 01:47:45,600 on the show, and this is discussed and a couple of new 1729 01:47:45,690 --> 01:47:53,130 items being developed. whereby it turns out that the CIA has at 1730 01:47:53,130 --> 01:47:59,070 least one or maybe two people in every major news outlet in the 1731 01:47:59,070 --> 01:48:03,240 country. And they put a stop to this sort of thing so that's why 1732 01:48:03,240 --> 01:48:06,630 the story was never discussed in the American media. It just was 1733 01:48:06,630 --> 01:48:11,580 killed he's bragging about democracy now did because 1734 01:48:11,580 --> 01:48:15,150 Democracy Now, if they have a spook in there is Amy Yeah. 1735 01:48:15,360 --> 01:48:22,980 Because I don't know anybody else be. So they have a new they 1736 01:48:22,980 --> 01:48:25,770 first figure well, we can't get a spook in there. We've had 1737 01:48:26,520 --> 01:48:32,700 situations where we know people that have worked at certain 1738 01:48:32,790 --> 01:48:37,260 organizations that have discussed with us people that 1739 01:48:37,260 --> 01:48:39,960 are there that don't make up the why are they there? What are 1740 01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:42,570 they doing there when they keep screwing with us? We're talking 1741 01:48:42,570 --> 01:48:46,650 about within the NPR world and every place has had me VO We 1742 01:48:46,860 --> 01:48:51,510 identified one working there we believe and they're all over the 1743 01:48:51,510 --> 01:48:53,730 place. And I always like to spot him and this is our spot to 1744 01:48:53,730 --> 01:48:58,080 spook game. Oh, is that where you're going this way. So we go 1745 01:48:58,080 --> 01:49:01,260 you have all these? Well, I just wanted to mention this because 1746 01:49:01,260 --> 01:49:05,670 people should know that it's really difficult on the no 1747 01:49:05,670 --> 01:49:11,490 agenda show for anyone to get in to be a spook because it's just 1748 01:49:11,490 --> 01:49:15,570 a small operation list. I know I'm not a spook by no I'm not a 1749 01:49:15,570 --> 01:49:19,560 spook he knows he's not so there's no buddy that's why our 1750 01:49:19,560 --> 01:49:23,340 show tells stories about you know, it's not like it's not 1751 01:49:23,340 --> 01:49:26,250 like within a giant organization where there's a spook or two 1752 01:49:26,430 --> 01:49:29,340 that will quash store now you know guys because these two 1753 01:49:29,340 --> 01:49:31,710 people aren't interested in that they're not interested in that 1754 01:49:31,710 --> 01:49:36,240 once you talk about the we had a better story than that. So would 1755 01:49:36,240 --> 01:49:38,130 you like you know if you don't do that story, would you like us 1756 01:49:38,130 --> 01:49:40,440 to write a book for you put your name on it? Yeah, 1757 01:49:40,470 --> 01:49:42,480 exactly. And you can go on CNN. 1758 01:49:44,400 --> 01:49:47,520 The snow okay. So they brought her on and they asked her about 1759 01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:50,760 the about the thought the country's in the sheet gives. 1760 01:49:51,900 --> 01:49:54,210 She won't she doesn't get the laundry list, but the director 1761 01:49:54,210 --> 01:49:56,970 does and then they imply it was all it was all part of a 1762 01:49:56,970 --> 01:49:58,290 blackmailing operation. 1763 01:49:58,469 --> 01:50:00,569 What did you say? Your email? 1764 01:50:02,070 --> 01:50:07,230 Well, it was a memo from a chap called Frank Koza. who worked at 1765 01:50:07,230 --> 01:50:13,590 the NSA. And it was just a request from the NSA to offer 1766 01:50:13,590 --> 01:50:17,700 GCHQ to assist them in bugging the domestic and Office 1767 01:50:17,700 --> 01:50:21,330 Communications of the six UN Security Council delegates 1768 01:50:22,470 --> 01:50:26,430 in bugging, in spying on in eavesdropping wiretapping or 1769 01:50:26,430 --> 01:50:30,480 whatever. Yeah. And who were the six countries? You're putting me 1770 01:50:30,480 --> 01:50:36,240 on? I know. Gavin, worked on the screenplay, and is the director, 1771 01:50:36,269 --> 01:50:44,699 yes, Angola, Cameroon, Bulgaria, Chile, Pakistan, and Mexico. And 1772 01:50:45,599 --> 01:50:48,779 these six countries were the non permanent members on the UN 1773 01:50:48,779 --> 01:50:49,859 Security Council at 1774 01:50:49,860 --> 01:50:53,040 the time, the idea was they would figure out which way they 1775 01:50:53,040 --> 01:50:55,020 were going to vote so that they could sway them? 1776 01:50:55,050 --> 01:50:59,010 Well, no more. The idea was to gather information that they 1777 01:50:59,010 --> 01:51:04,680 could use to bribe them or, you know, threaten them into voting 1778 01:51:04,710 --> 01:51:06,030 yes, for the resolution. 1779 01:51:06,599 --> 01:51:09,389 The term is blackmail. I don't know why she didn't use it. 1780 01:51:11,160 --> 01:51:14,250 The term is blackmail. And that's what is going on with all 1781 01:51:14,250 --> 01:51:17,490 the snooping and this is another message that people need to 1782 01:51:17,490 --> 01:51:21,180 understand when you say, Well, I don't care if they listen in on 1783 01:51:21,180 --> 01:51:25,470 what I'm doing, because I'm not doing anything wrong. That's not 1784 01:51:25,470 --> 01:51:29,220 the point. It's not you that's doing anything wrong. It's 1785 01:51:29,220 --> 01:51:32,370 somebody else who can be blackmailed. And they would 1786 01:51:32,370 --> 01:51:37,140 maybe vote against your interests. Yes. And that's the 1787 01:51:37,140 --> 01:51:41,790 problem with that's why privacy has to be a big deal. It's not 1788 01:51:41,790 --> 01:51:44,430 because Oh, I'm not doing anything wrong. I don't care if 1789 01:51:44,430 --> 01:51:47,190 they're listening in. There's no such thing as privacy you could 1790 01:51:47,190 --> 01:51:51,450 have stopped a horrible war which hundreds of 1000s of 1791 01:51:51,450 --> 01:51:55,530 people were killed in. But now you didn't care about your 1792 01:51:55,530 --> 01:51:56,190 privacy. 1793 01:51:58,020 --> 01:52:02,520 Now of course this ended up being did screw up the wars 1794 01:52:02,520 --> 01:52:05,790 beginning so they had to come up with the yellowcake and all the 1795 01:52:05,790 --> 01:52:06,330 other crap 1796 01:52:06,330 --> 01:52:13,110 aluminum to aluminum today. I'm looking at the at the Wikipedia 1797 01:52:13,110 --> 01:52:17,490 entry for the story of Catherine Gunn. And it says Angola, 1798 01:52:17,490 --> 01:52:21,450 Bulgaria, Cameroon, Chile, Pakistan, but not Mexico. It 1799 01:52:21,450 --> 01:52:26,790 says Guinea. This guy said Mexico, Mexico, Mexico. Mexico 1800 01:52:26,790 --> 01:52:30,600 is not in Wikipedia. It's Guinea he said Mexico. It's not in the 1801 01:52:30,600 --> 01:52:31,530 wiki in on the wiki. 1802 01:52:32,130 --> 01:52:34,680 We'd have to look at who was on the Security Council at the time 1803 01:52:34,680 --> 01:52:35,520 was there some as 1804 01:52:36,990 --> 01:52:39,900 to lots and lots of people but who was the swing? i It doesn't 1805 01:52:39,900 --> 01:52:41,130 really matter. I'm just saying he may 1806 01:52:41,130 --> 01:52:44,910 have left Mexico out for a reason. Again, yeah, wiki pedia 1807 01:52:45,030 --> 01:52:49,140 very trustworthy. Somebody over there at the Wikipedia with gray 1808 01:52:49,140 --> 01:52:53,730 hair, blue, blue. This he's got a nice kind of a Brooks Brothers 1809 01:52:53,760 --> 01:52:58,860 jacket, blue shirt or light blue shirt or even a white shirt, a 1810 01:52:58,860 --> 01:53:03,000 tie kind of a regimental tie, nothing fancy, usually white 1811 01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:08,670 hair for some unknown reason. And that guy is the guy who 1812 01:53:08,670 --> 01:53:13,410 probably put a quote crush that meant these guys, they'll look 1813 01:53:13,410 --> 01:53:13,890 to say 1814 01:53:15,750 --> 01:53:18,120 you're being very bigoted about this 1815 01:53:19,230 --> 01:53:23,940 a little bit. But you know, arguing against it my theory? 1816 01:53:24,150 --> 01:53:29,100 No. How could I? Absolutely right. It's just it's just sad 1817 01:53:29,100 --> 01:53:33,240 how you made a good point there. It's like it is important when 1818 01:53:33,240 --> 01:53:35,400 people can hear what you're doing or see what you're doing. 1819 01:53:35,400 --> 01:53:41,310 It is important, it does make a difference. Unbelievable. Well, 1820 01:53:41,310 --> 01:53:44,760 that's, that's pretty good. So they're bringing her back. And 1821 01:53:44,790 --> 01:53:48,780 what was kind of the whole point of, of this revisit? Well, the 1822 01:53:48,780 --> 01:53:53,190 thing was, this really ties into the guy who got busted that, you 1823 01:53:53,190 --> 01:53:58,110 know, the British ambassador to us who said Trump was an idiot. 1824 01:53:58,110 --> 01:54:01,290 We talked about this in the last year of the show before this 1825 01:54:01,380 --> 01:54:04,620 character, and I guess, you know, this is just democracy now 1826 01:54:04,620 --> 01:54:08,670 trying to keep the flame is bubbling about. So they can keep 1827 01:54:08,670 --> 01:54:12,150 saying well, he said the ambassador said Trump was inept. 1828 01:54:12,720 --> 01:54:13,260 So 1829 01:54:14,250 --> 01:54:18,240 I see I see what you're saying. Okay. It makes sense. I mean, 1830 01:54:18,240 --> 01:54:21,570 she does a lot of these. I don't know if you call it conflating I 1831 01:54:21,570 --> 01:54:25,710 think there's another example in here where they're talking about 1832 01:54:25,710 --> 01:54:28,950 one thing and she has to throw something else in. She does this 1833 01:54:28,950 --> 01:54:32,790 constant. Here's here's Amy, changing the subject. 1834 01:54:33,660 --> 01:54:35,490 I'm sure she did. That expertly 1835 01:54:35,520 --> 01:54:38,520 Environmental Protection Agency announced Thursday, it will not 1836 01:54:38,520 --> 01:54:43,200 ban the widely used pesticide chlorpyrifos. Even though the 1837 01:54:43,200 --> 01:54:47,970 agency's own research shows it can cause brain damage in 1838 01:54:47,970 --> 01:54:50,640 children. The Obama administration said it would ban 1839 01:54:50,640 --> 01:54:54,030 the use of the toxic chemical in 2015. But the rule never took 1840 01:54:54,030 --> 01:54:58,800 effect and was suspended in 2017. By then EPA head Scott 1841 01:54:58,800 --> 01:55:02,190 Pruitt this On this the Trump administration is preparing to 1842 01:55:02,190 --> 01:55:05,940 rollback government regulations on nuclear power plants with 1843 01:55:05,940 --> 01:55:08,370 staffers at the Nuclear Regulatory Commission 1844 01:55:08,370 --> 01:55:11,520 recommending allowing the nuclear industry to carry out 1845 01:55:11,520 --> 01:55:15,240 more self inspections while slashing the size and scope of 1846 01:55:15,240 --> 01:55:18,270 radiation protection and emergency preparedness 1847 01:55:18,270 --> 01:55:20,250 inspections and nuclear plants. 1848 01:55:20,520 --> 01:55:24,150 Well very, a very slick trend got to do it the other very 1849 01:55:24,150 --> 01:55:28,170 slick trans transition into something I didn't really even 1850 01:55:28,200 --> 01:55:32,310 tear anywhere. So while completely unrelated I'd like 1851 01:55:32,340 --> 01:55:33,720 that news at the end. 1852 01:55:34,620 --> 01:55:38,100 That was interesting. Yeah, I mean, I I was taking a little 1853 01:55:38,100 --> 01:55:40,920 bit of aback by but I've been hearing these these these kinds 1854 01:55:40,920 --> 01:55:43,800 of stories like this where you talk about one thing and somehow 1855 01:55:43,800 --> 01:55:47,430 get it into another topic and it makes the transition. The one 1856 01:55:47,460 --> 01:55:51,300 the other example that is this one, UK climate change, 1857 01:55:51,750 --> 01:55:54,690 transitions to Jew hatred, nice. 1858 01:55:54,720 --> 01:55:57,810 So why did the all party environment mental committee 1859 01:55:57,840 --> 01:56:00,990 accused the government of coasting on climate change? 1860 01:56:01,350 --> 01:56:06,030 Kinect can just wager something here? Does it go from denial 1861 01:56:06,030 --> 01:56:10,500 from climate denial to Holocaust denial? Oh, it's a different 1862 01:56:10,500 --> 01:56:13,170 kind of trans Oh, okay. Well pay attention to people. 1863 01:56:13,170 --> 01:56:16,200 So why did the all party environment mental committee 1864 01:56:16,230 --> 01:56:19,380 accused the government of coasting on climate change? 1865 01:56:21,150 --> 01:56:24,060 The government has a fine record on climate change, including our 1866 01:56:24,060 --> 01:56:28,890 recent net on net zero emissions. 1867 01:56:29,040 --> 01:56:32,850 But then the Prime Minister changed tack this morning. More 1868 01:56:32,850 --> 01:56:36,030 than 60 Labour members of the Lord's put their names to an 1869 01:56:36,030 --> 01:56:39,330 advert in The Guardian newspaper. They accused Jeremy 1870 01:56:39,330 --> 01:56:43,170 Corbyn of failing to tackle anti semitism, and said he'd allowed 1871 01:56:43,200 --> 01:56:45,990 a toxic culture to grow in the Labour Party. 1872 01:56:46,110 --> 01:56:49,170 Before the Right Honourable gentleman stands up and portrays 1873 01:56:49,170 --> 01:56:52,500 himself as the champion of climate change or the champion 1874 01:56:52,500 --> 01:56:56,790 of the people, or the defender of equality and fairness. He 1875 01:56:56,790 --> 01:57:01,140 needs to apologize for his failure to deal with racism in 1876 01:57:01,140 --> 01:57:02,070 the Labour Party. 1877 01:57:03,690 --> 01:57:06,990 Theresa May produced a copy of the advert and began to read 1878 01:57:06,990 --> 01:57:07,260 from it. 1879 01:57:07,799 --> 01:57:12,269 The Labour Party welcomes everyone it seems 1880 01:57:16,650 --> 01:57:17,550 this is great. 1881 01:57:19,770 --> 01:57:23,850 That was quick. It she just went from you know, what do you hate 1882 01:57:23,850 --> 01:57:26,700 Jews to that was literally what she did. This is great. 1883 01:57:27,300 --> 01:57:31,920 The people or the defender of equality and fairness. He needs 1884 01:57:31,920 --> 01:57:36,300 to apologize for his failure to deal with racism in the Labour 1885 01:57:36,300 --> 01:57:36,780 Party. 1886 01:57:38,430 --> 01:57:41,880 To resume produced a copy of the advert and began to read from 1887 01:57:41,880 --> 01:57:42,990 it. The Labour 1888 01:57:42,990 --> 01:57:51,690 Party welcomes everyone except it seems this is your legacy. 1889 01:57:51,720 --> 01:57:55,950 Mr. Corbyn, you still haven't opened your eyes, you still 1890 01:57:55,950 --> 01:58:00,030 haven't told the whole truth, you still haven't accepted your 1891 01:58:00,030 --> 01:58:04,290 responsibility. You have failed the test of leadership. 1892 01:58:04,500 --> 01:58:06,300 Apologize now. 1893 01:58:09,540 --> 01:58:13,890 The Labour Party had been the first to introduce anti racist 1894 01:58:13,890 --> 01:58:14,790 legislation. 1895 01:58:15,000 --> 01:58:21,300 This party totally opposes racism in any form whatsoever. 1896 01:58:22,350 --> 01:58:28,290 anti semitism has no place in our society, no place in any of 1897 01:58:28,290 --> 01:58:32,640 our parties, or no pays place in any dialogue. 1898 01:58:45,030 --> 01:58:51,420 Unbelievable. Truly what I mean, that's, that's, I mean, I've 1899 01:58:51,420 --> 01:58:54,540 seen the newspapers talk about it a little bit in the UK and 1900 01:58:54,540 --> 01:58:57,930 people. But I mean, just for Theresa May to jump out like 1901 01:58:57,930 --> 01:58:58,980 that. That was that was 1902 01:58:59,040 --> 01:59:01,170 out of the blue because they're talking about climate change 1903 01:59:01,170 --> 01:59:05,550 that that was just lame. But it was funny. And you see, I saw it 1904 01:59:05,550 --> 01:59:08,310 you see comedy bits about this. One thing I remember from years 1905 01:59:08,310 --> 01:59:11,490 ago on an old show called Fridays, we're actually Larry 1906 01:59:11,490 --> 01:59:15,480 David was playing a character and he comes in and there he 1907 01:59:15,480 --> 01:59:21,960 comes in as a substitute lawyer. And then he says something. So 1908 01:59:21,960 --> 01:59:24,450 he comes in as a substitute lawyer and has some case about 1909 01:59:25,410 --> 01:59:28,350 about whatever the case was, he goes up and the first thing he 1910 01:59:28,350 --> 01:59:33,210 does is he accuses the witness of being a lesbian. And 1911 01:59:33,210 --> 01:59:34,110 absolutely not for 1912 01:59:34,110 --> 01:59:39,690 no reason. For no reason. Fantastic. That was good. That's 1913 01:59:39,690 --> 01:59:44,970 in fact, I think that is worthy of a clip of the day I'm gonna 1914 01:59:44,970 --> 01:59:50,520 give that one clip. But that was 1915 01:59:50,580 --> 01:59:55,500 truly bizarrely nutty and what a way to shame someone just in a 1916 01:59:55,500 --> 02:00:00,270 horrific way. You do hater. Apologize now Jew hater. was the 1917 02:00:00,270 --> 02:00:00,960 guy gonna do 1918 02:00:00,990 --> 02:00:04,290 well? I'm sorry. It's not that different than what you're 1919 02:00:04,320 --> 02:00:06,120 calling everyone a racist. 1920 02:00:06,480 --> 02:00:08,880 He's a Jew hater is next level shit, man. 1921 02:00:10,019 --> 02:00:13,439 Now, there was something going on there was a bunch of protests 1922 02:00:13,439 --> 02:00:16,139 being discussed on Democracy Now I want to play these two clips 1923 02:00:16,139 --> 02:00:19,409 real quick because one of them is neither one of these stories 1924 02:00:19,409 --> 02:00:23,009 keep cropped up but the second one is very strange to me 1925 02:00:23,009 --> 02:00:26,039 because when you hear the second one, you're going to wonder what 1926 02:00:26,039 --> 02:00:29,459 is going on. But this is the undiscussed protest, it says 1927 02:00:29,459 --> 02:00:33,089 Nins but of nuns. There's a nun protests going on 1928 02:00:33,120 --> 02:00:37,800 in Washington DC Capitol Police arrested 70 Catholic nuns and 1929 02:00:37,800 --> 02:00:41,430 clergy Thursday as they hold a nonviolent sit in protest inside 1930 02:00:41,430 --> 02:00:43,590 the Russell Senate office building against the Trump 1931 02:00:43,590 --> 02:00:46,110 administration's inhumane treatment of immigrants and 1932 02:00:46,110 --> 02:00:49,500 asylum seekers. More than a dozen protesters stood in a 1933 02:00:49,500 --> 02:00:53,280 circle holding the photographs of migrant children who've died 1934 02:00:53,280 --> 02:00:57,630 in US custody, reciting their names. The latest protests came 1935 02:00:57,630 --> 02:01:00,720 as immigrant communities across the country have prepared for 1936 02:01:00,720 --> 02:01:05,430 reported ICE raids that were scheduled to begin last weekend, 1937 02:01:05,520 --> 02:01:08,130 but have largely not materialized. 1938 02:01:09,330 --> 02:01:11,310 There's never going to materialize. But as you think is 1939 02:01:11,310 --> 02:01:14,130 a conflict of interest to Catholic Charities and the whole 1940 02:01:14,130 --> 02:01:15,810 thing. I mean, come on nuns. 1941 02:01:16,290 --> 02:01:19,830 Oh, totally. This is a very good point. And people need to 1942 02:01:19,830 --> 02:01:23,130 understand that the Catholic Charities received over a 1943 02:01:23,130 --> 02:01:26,280 billion dollars just recently, actually it was 2 billion for 1944 02:01:26,280 --> 02:01:28,680 all of them. But these are the Catholic Charities and the 1945 02:01:28,680 --> 02:01:33,540 charities were located here in Austin. I think it's Christian 1946 02:01:33,540 --> 02:01:35,280 or Catholic. I don't remember which 1947 02:01:35,519 --> 02:01:37,229 one is Catholic. It says Catholic, 1948 02:01:37,410 --> 02:01:40,440 but they are religious organizations who are receiving 1949 02:01:40,440 --> 02:01:47,190 this government money to take care of the kids to take the 1950 02:01:47,190 --> 02:01:52,110 kids and then have the nuns protesting. Yeah, that is pretty 1951 02:01:52,170 --> 02:01:55,860 sickening, thinking that they may be just protesting for money 1952 02:01:55,860 --> 02:02:00,240 for their organization. It's not where was the mention of that? 1953 02:02:00,240 --> 02:02:03,180 I'm sure that I'm sure Amy came back and said something about 1954 02:02:03,180 --> 02:02:05,400 that, didn't she? No, no. Okay, 1955 02:02:05,430 --> 02:02:09,090 well, now the but then what came up next was this and listen to 1956 02:02:09,090 --> 02:02:13,470 this carefully and tell me have you heard anything about this 1957 02:02:13,470 --> 02:02:18,150 and why does it what is? What's the deal? This is the last clip. 1958 02:02:18,390 --> 02:02:23,760 It says under what it says will Indian asylum song. You see it? 1959 02:02:23,790 --> 02:02:24,360 Yeah, I see a 1960 02:02:24,900 --> 02:02:28,950 plane while a group of Indian asylum seekers in El Paso, Texas 1961 02:02:28,950 --> 02:02:31,710 have launched a hunger strike from inside a nice immigration 1962 02:02:31,710 --> 02:02:34,230 jail demanding they be released while they appeal their 1963 02:02:34,230 --> 02:02:37,560 deportation orders. One of the men told the Texas Monthly if I 1964 02:02:37,560 --> 02:02:40,500 go back to India, I'll be tortured and killed. I can die 1965 02:02:40,500 --> 02:02:44,310 here. It's the second time this year that Indian men have led 1966 02:02:44,310 --> 02:02:47,220 hunger strikes at the El Paso processing center. 1967 02:02:47,940 --> 02:02:51,030 Oh, I think we should just open the borders for all Indians. 1968 02:02:52,560 --> 02:02:57,030 To know what this is about? What are they protesting? If they go 1969 02:02:57,030 --> 02:02:59,820 back to India, they're going to be tortured and they're going to 1970 02:02:59,820 --> 02:03:03,480 die there what? Well, you know anything about Indians being 1971 02:03:03,480 --> 02:03:07,800 tortured in India, and coming over here somehow getting over 1972 02:03:07,800 --> 02:03:09,570 here and ending up in El Paso 1973 02:03:09,630 --> 02:03:13,560 or I'm pretty sure they have millions of slaves in India, 1974 02:03:13,560 --> 02:03:17,790 people are are in slave labor situations in the caste system. 1975 02:03:17,790 --> 02:03:23,370 It's a very divided culture they have. So yeah, I'm pretty sure 1976 02:03:23,370 --> 02:03:26,910 if you're in the in the lower tiers that you're just you know, 1977 02:03:26,940 --> 02:03:28,710 screw you. You're no good. 1978 02:03:29,070 --> 02:03:31,620 Well, I'd like to get more information on this story. She 1979 02:03:31,620 --> 02:03:36,480 didn't provide anything. Just you said she just a vague it was 1980 02:03:36,480 --> 02:03:39,360 just a vague general story. Like as if we were supposed to know 1981 02:03:39,360 --> 02:03:42,840 about this. I don't know anything about this knife. I was 1982 02:03:42,840 --> 02:03:43,620 distressed. 1983 02:03:46,230 --> 02:03:48,660 I have some I got a short picture of you really being 1984 02:03:48,660 --> 02:03:50,040 distressed. But I understand. 1985 02:03:51,060 --> 02:03:54,060 I haven't seen the show I so I can offer since we're in the 1986 02:03:54,060 --> 02:03:57,630 topic. Okay. Latest racist remarks. 1987 02:03:58,140 --> 02:04:00,570 Ooh, that may be a good one a lot more on President Trump's 1988 02:04:00,570 --> 02:04:02,310 latest racist remarks. 1989 02:04:02,640 --> 02:04:05,910 remarks. If you didn't clip it very well. It's a little thing 1990 02:04:05,910 --> 02:04:06,180 at the 1991 02:04:06,420 --> 02:04:09,120 more on President Trump's latest racist remarks. 1992 02:04:10,230 --> 02:04:13,170 No, no, I do. I thought it was 1993 02:04:13,709 --> 02:04:19,079 a great clip at the end. It's up for consideration. We've been 1994 02:04:19,079 --> 02:04:24,569 talking about the face app that changes your face that once 1995 02:04:24,569 --> 02:04:29,099 again went viral. And even though we discussed it really in 1996 02:04:29,099 --> 02:04:33,419 detail on the last episode as to why this is a problem. Your 1997 02:04:33,419 --> 02:04:38,069 government and not yours maybe but here in America, we got 1998 02:04:38,069 --> 02:04:43,679 Chuck Schumer one of the leading Democrats the the carpet, a 1999 02:04:43,679 --> 02:04:48,509 coupe T copy of of all the Democrats certainly in on 2000 02:04:48,509 --> 02:04:51,809 Capitol Hill, telling us the American people's that you 2001 02:04:51,809 --> 02:04:55,199 should very afraid Be very afraid of this up, but his 2002 02:04:55,199 --> 02:04:58,829 reasons. Hi, everybody, and I'm here to give by the way, this is 2003 02:04:58,829 --> 02:05:01,919 how he talks to young people. Hi, everybody, this is what he 2004 02:05:01,919 --> 02:05:04,019 thinks is hip. It's like, hi, everybody. 2005 02:05:04,050 --> 02:05:07,020 Hi, everybody. And I'm here to give a warning for all 2006 02:05:07,020 --> 02:05:11,040 Americans, millions of people who've been downloading faceapp 2007 02:05:11,340 --> 02:05:15,750 seems like fun, it applies a little AI to a selfie, to make 2008 02:05:15,750 --> 02:05:19,770 your face look older, younger, at a beard, whatever. What seems 2009 02:05:19,770 --> 02:05:24,330 like social media Fed, however, may actually not be benign at 2010 02:05:24,330 --> 02:05:28,410 all. Recently, it came to light that the parent company, the 2011 02:05:28,410 --> 02:05:33,420 app, wireless Labs is based in St. Petersburg. Just as 2012 02:05:33,420 --> 02:05:36,810 worrisome, it came to light that the app not only takes your 2013 02:05:36,810 --> 02:05:40,710 picture, but retains the right to keep your photos or even your 2014 02:05:40,710 --> 02:05:44,940 search history. It allows quote, perpetual, irrevocable and 2015 02:05:44,940 --> 02:05:50,730 worldwide license to your photos name or likeness. So this is a 2016 02:05:50,730 --> 02:05:54,990 breathtaking and possibly dangerous level of access. And 2017 02:05:54,990 --> 02:05:58,620 it raises substantial privacy concerns, the risk that your 2018 02:05:58,620 --> 02:06:01,800 facial data could also fall into the hands of something like 2019 02:06:01,800 --> 02:06:05,640 Russian intelligence, where the Russian military apparatus is 2020 02:06:05,640 --> 02:06:06,240 disturbing. 2021 02:06:07,260 --> 02:06:13,020 Bullshit. I'm flabbergasted by this for a number of reasons. 2022 02:06:13,320 --> 02:06:16,740 One key could have been reading the terms and services of 2023 02:06:16,740 --> 02:06:20,760 Instagram, Facebook, or any other social network. They all 2024 02:06:20,760 --> 02:06:24,870 have that irrevocable worldwide license and perpetual in 2025 02:06:24,900 --> 02:06:29,100 perpetuity, to use your name likeness. They all have that. 2026 02:06:29,610 --> 02:06:33,390 They can all do that. And then because the company is 2027 02:06:33,390 --> 02:06:35,550 headquartered, and he didn't even say Russia at the 2028 02:06:35,550 --> 02:06:38,790 beginning, St. Petersburg. Oh, now we have to be worried about 2029 02:06:38,790 --> 02:06:42,930 your face. It data falling into the hands of the Russians. Shut 2030 02:06:42,930 --> 02:06:48,330 up. Schumer. What? What a nincompoop. The real issue is 2031 02:06:48,360 --> 02:06:52,980 that BAP is tracking your ass all over the place. It's got us 2032 02:06:52,980 --> 02:06:57,390 trackers in it. Actually, I got so pissed off. When I heard this 2033 02:06:57,390 --> 02:07:02,670 clip I went to find I did I went to I'm like, Who? Are these data 2034 02:07:02,670 --> 02:07:05,790 brokers? We've talked about this a lot. The data brokers, the 2035 02:07:05,790 --> 02:07:09,000 data brokers, do you have any idea who the data brokers are? 2036 02:07:10,260 --> 02:07:13,770 Oh, the credit card companies, our credit companies, the FICA 2037 02:07:13,770 --> 02:07:15,030 guys? Oh, there's a lot of them. 2038 02:07:15,060 --> 02:07:19,710 Actually, the number one aggregator of Data Broker 2039 02:07:20,040 --> 02:07:26,910 content. And data is Oracle. Yeah, yeah. And go? And do you 2040 02:07:26,910 --> 02:07:30,900 know why? They had a couple of AD AD tech all in 2014. They 2041 02:07:30,900 --> 02:07:34,140 were buying up little ad tech companies. But then they made a 2042 02:07:34,140 --> 02:07:39,480 whopper they acquired axiom, a CX IOM, you've never heard of 2043 02:07:39,480 --> 02:07:43,500 Axiom, you're not supposed to hear of Axiom. But they have 2044 02:07:43,650 --> 02:07:48,060 this very old company. They've been around since the early 60s. 2045 02:07:48,360 --> 02:07:51,660 And they are the original Mac Daddy of collecting your 2046 02:07:51,660 --> 02:07:54,450 purchase history. They have an entire network of getting 2047 02:07:54,480 --> 02:07:58,410 offline information. They sell this back to Google. I'm sure 2048 02:07:58,410 --> 02:08:01,170 Google has its own competencies, and everyone's building their 2049 02:08:01,170 --> 02:08:06,300 own database bases and profiles on you. But they 2050 02:08:06,330 --> 02:08:10,350 haven't used the right term. Spy CA, 2051 02:08:10,710 --> 02:08:19,200 in fact, yes. It is a dossier. Nine of the top 10 automotive 2052 02:08:19,200 --> 02:08:22,860 companies use them. Eight out of 10 financial companies, the 2053 02:08:22,860 --> 02:08:26,100 credit card companies, the pharmaceutical companies, these 2054 02:08:26,100 --> 02:08:30,960 are the people who have the dossier on you. And they can 2055 02:08:30,960 --> 02:08:33,660 take all your disparate data. So I mean, they've been doing this 2056 02:08:33,660 --> 02:08:37,200 for a long time very valuable company. They were purchased by 2057 02:08:37,200 --> 02:08:41,070 Oracle for almost $3 billion. And this is all being stored in 2058 02:08:41,070 --> 02:08:43,950 Oracle Database. As you know who else uses Oracle databases? Do 2059 02:08:43,950 --> 02:08:48,420 you? Yeah, the government. In fact, in 2001 axiom pitch the 2060 02:08:48,420 --> 02:08:52,860 Department of Justice to start scouring the internet and 2061 02:08:52,860 --> 02:08:56,790 websites and people's profiles. I mean, the dossier for 2062 02:08:56,790 --> 02:09:00,360 keywords. Now, the government rejected them at least according 2063 02:09:00,360 --> 02:09:03,150 to this letter. But they the government was also spoke very 2064 02:09:03,150 --> 02:09:05,700 highly of their capabilities. And it was found that there was 2065 02:09:05,700 --> 02:09:07,980 some conflict of interest. You 2066 02:09:07,980 --> 02:09:10,710 know, it the thing you're overlooking, and you shouldn't 2067 02:09:10,710 --> 02:09:17,280 mention, you know, you just know how accurate these Dossiers are 2068 02:09:17,280 --> 02:09:20,370 about you. And you can attest to that as you used to get pulled 2069 02:09:20,370 --> 02:09:22,260 over every time he had left the country. You 2070 02:09:22,440 --> 02:09:24,840 know, and once you're in the dossier, it's hard to get 2071 02:09:24,840 --> 02:09:28,770 something out of the dossier if there's bad data in there. They 2072 02:09:28,770 --> 02:09:33,240 used to allow you to look at what they have in your in their 2073 02:09:33,240 --> 02:09:37,500 dossier on you. They've closed that down although they do say 2074 02:09:37,500 --> 02:09:40,440 that beginning 2020 They're bringing back a new customer 2075 02:09:40,440 --> 02:09:45,990 portal. They also bought something called thing was live 2076 02:09:46,020 --> 02:09:51,690 was it Live Wire? Find this. They bought some other company 2077 02:09:52,320 --> 02:09:57,960 and you can opt out of that. Opt ups. Yes, here it is. That 2078 02:09:57,960 --> 02:10:03,420 company was live ramp, there you go, live ramp. And so that's how 2079 02:10:03,420 --> 02:10:05,820 they get a lot of their data from the web, which you 2080 02:10:05,820 --> 02:10:10,020 apparently can opt out of. What I thought would be interesting 2081 02:10:10,020 --> 02:10:13,860 is to listen to their marketing pitch, they have a marketing 2082 02:10:13,860 --> 02:10:17,790 video. And it's it's gobbledygook, marketing poop. 2083 02:10:18,090 --> 02:10:23,640 But it's interesting because from my research over the 2084 02:10:23,640 --> 02:10:26,940 weekend into these guys, it's real, what they can do, they 2085 02:10:26,940 --> 02:10:29,460 really have the goods on all of us. 2086 02:10:37,590 --> 02:10:41,070 The crew across the globe. Always connected consumers 2087 02:10:41,100 --> 02:10:44,820 expect seamless, Omni channel personalized experiences from 2088 02:10:44,820 --> 02:10:48,510 the brands they engage axiom. The data and technology 2089 02:10:48,510 --> 02:10:52,020 foundation for the world's best marketers is a trusted advisor, 2090 02:10:52,170 --> 02:10:56,040 helping brands build an open garden reality that unifies data 2091 02:10:56,070 --> 02:10:58,680 at the foundation layer, connecting the marketing 2092 02:10:58,710 --> 02:11:02,640 ecosystem for the ultimate customer experience. And that 2093 02:11:02,640 --> 02:11:06,270 means consumers win with more relevant content and timely 2094 02:11:06,270 --> 02:11:11,130 offers that align with their needs. And axioms robust suite 2095 02:11:11,130 --> 02:11:14,370 of offerings combined 50 years of data driven marketing 2096 02:11:14,370 --> 02:11:17,790 experience and leadership and ethical Data Use and Privacy 2097 02:11:17,940 --> 02:11:20,850 enabling brands and their partners to create powerful 2098 02:11:20,850 --> 02:11:25,110 experiences across every consumer touch point. In more 2099 02:11:25,110 --> 02:11:29,100 than 60 countries across Asia Pacific Europe and the Americas 2100 02:11:29,160 --> 02:11:33,240 axiom provides clients access to two and a half billion consumers 2101 02:11:33,330 --> 02:11:37,350 and two thirds of the world's digital population. Axiom helps 2102 02:11:37,350 --> 02:11:40,890 marketers by delivering a suite of superior services and omni 2103 02:11:40,890 --> 02:11:44,040 channel data environments solutions. Omni channel 2104 02:11:44,040 --> 02:11:48,720 solutions leverage the best data identity management strategy and 2105 02:11:48,720 --> 02:11:52,620 analytic services combined with a unified data layer framework 2106 02:11:52,710 --> 02:11:56,580 connecting martech and adtech at the data layer to deliver 2107 02:11:56,580 --> 02:12:01,320 quantifiable business impact. By providing the most advanced 2108 02:12:01,320 --> 02:12:05,280 program for data ethics and governance axiom always puts the 2109 02:12:05,280 --> 02:12:10,020 consumer first axiom brings a powerhouse of data driven 2110 02:12:10,020 --> 02:12:15,570 marketing expertise to serve the world's best brands. Axiom 2111 02:12:15,900 --> 02:12:19,650 powerful capabilities centered around a trusted unified data 2112 02:12:19,650 --> 02:12:23,460 foundation that advances the data driven next generation of 2113 02:12:23,460 --> 02:12:27,450 marketing. These capabilities unlock more value and new 2114 02:12:27,450 --> 02:12:31,590 opportunities that unify first, second and third party data at 2115 02:12:31,590 --> 02:12:35,430 scale, and protect privacy across the ecosystem. When 2116 02:12:35,430 --> 02:12:38,790 experience matters, brands trust axiom. 2117 02:12:39,930 --> 02:12:42,750 That's a two minute video explaining how they're spying on 2118 02:12:42,750 --> 02:12:46,770 you. What I find kind of sad, is if they get something wrong, 2119 02:12:46,770 --> 02:12:49,980 some data is incorrect somehow, or you made a choice that was 2120 02:12:49,980 --> 02:12:54,030 different. This is the this is what everyone pulls closer 2121 02:12:54,030 --> 02:12:59,220 information from this is where they get it from. And throw back 2122 02:12:59,220 --> 02:13:05,010 to our call back to our algo and machine learning. Example, this 2123 02:13:05,010 --> 02:13:07,500 company could screw up your life, you might not even know 2124 02:13:07,500 --> 02:13:12,060 it. Absolutely. These are the guys. And so and 2125 02:13:12,060 --> 02:13:16,140 the thing is the thing and the government itself will be more 2126 02:13:16,140 --> 02:13:19,650 and more reliant on these databases. For one good reason. 2127 02:13:20,010 --> 02:13:21,570 There are FOIA proof. 2128 02:13:22,559 --> 02:13:25,139 Ooh, yes, no freedom 2129 02:13:25,860 --> 02:13:28,800 to be I want to do a dossier. They can let you these guys do a 2130 02:13:28,800 --> 02:13:29,940 dossier and they'll use it 2131 02:13:29,969 --> 02:13:33,809 and you can purchase it legally. It's that simple. And it's just 2132 02:13:33,809 --> 02:13:35,669 so I don't have to invoke his name. 2133 02:13:36,840 --> 02:13:39,660 I think the only people that actually read the user agreement 2134 02:13:40,110 --> 02:13:42,030 are lawmakers in Washington journalists 2135 02:13:42,030 --> 02:13:44,580 that are writing about it today. But just a quick, quick point to 2136 02:13:44,580 --> 02:13:47,940 make when you sign up for this app and ask to enable your 2137 02:13:47,940 --> 02:13:50,880 entire photo album and so that's the big question. Why did they 2138 02:13:50,880 --> 02:13:53,730 need permanent access these app? Yeah, everybody does it. 2139 02:13:55,980 --> 02:14:03,180 So how concerned really are they gonna have all the secrets of 2140 02:14:03,180 --> 02:14:06,390 new Speedway unless you live like the Unabomber in a cabin in 2141 02:14:06,390 --> 02:14:08,130 the woods. Wow, this point. 2142 02:14:12,600 --> 02:14:16,050 Let's just stop it right there. So by now, yeah. 2143 02:14:16,080 --> 02:14:20,790 Who has been talking to Hitler? Yeah, I usually say Professor 2144 02:14:20,790 --> 02:14:23,490 Ted would be proud but now I mean, okay, so they call him the 2145 02:14:23,490 --> 02:14:26,940 Unabomber. Like you're a crazy nut job. You will be crazy nut 2146 02:14:26,940 --> 02:14:29,460 job to sit in the woods to hide from all this you guys. 2147 02:14:31,140 --> 02:14:34,440 I'm gonna show my mood by donating to no agenda. Imagine 2148 02:14:34,440 --> 02:14:37,140 all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fun 2149 02:14:44,580 --> 02:14:48,030 and we do have a few people think to thank for show. Love 2150 02:14:48,030 --> 02:14:53,310 with the seven nines 57 You're starting to stop that. Sir 2151 02:14:53,340 --> 02:14:58,560 Neil's moniker in Hamburg, Hamburg Deutschland under $11.11 2152 02:14:59,100 --> 02:15:04,410 Elizabeth BROZEN I think she's a dame is she? Yeah, Dame Beth. 2153 02:15:04,740 --> 02:15:10,980 Yep. Hey boys. Love you want to go to the loving what you do to 2154 02:15:10,980 --> 02:15:15,840 the moon and back? Okay, I have a moon clip later for Dan to 2155 02:15:15,840 --> 02:15:25,530 show Rahner Ronald Shoal 808 sure John horhn corner corner in 2156 02:15:25,590 --> 02:15:28,020 Bay City Bay St. Louis 2157 02:15:28,050 --> 02:15:31,680 got a birthday call out for a smokin hot wife Sarah cozy we 2158 02:15:31,680 --> 02:15:36,360 got that listed for you. And an ITM from an impromptu na meetup 2159 02:15:36,390 --> 02:15:41,520 of the Helena Arkansas local 1360 So a shout out to Sir 2160 02:15:41,520 --> 02:15:44,730 Rocket Man Baron of the base or Terry of Crowley's ridge and Sir 2161 02:15:44,730 --> 02:15:46,440 One night in Bangkok. 2162 02:15:47,220 --> 02:15:50,370 Oh, we do have the $108 donation to make a correction it actually 2163 02:15:50,370 --> 02:15:51,270 came from 2164 02:15:52,260 --> 02:15:56,490 Ah, yes, this is from Sir Spud, sir spot. The Mighty. 2165 02:15:57,120 --> 02:16:00,570 Yes, but the mighty explain. That was a we went back and 2166 02:16:00,570 --> 02:16:05,010 forth. It was a mistake. Mistake was for the last show. So sure, 2167 02:16:05,040 --> 02:16:05,820 but the mighty, 2168 02:16:06,240 --> 02:16:09,540 it was for him and he wanted to and he wanted to call out some 2169 02:16:09,540 --> 02:16:12,810 other people who are then yeah, so it got confusing. Okay, well, 2170 02:16:12,810 --> 02:16:14,550 you haven't really made it good in that case. 2171 02:16:15,930 --> 02:16:18,720 It was confusing that he call that mostly caladiums Oh, yeah. 2172 02:16:18,720 --> 02:16:22,710 You want to read the I don't have the note in front of me. So 2173 02:16:22,710 --> 02:16:24,990 I guess it's just not good. We started to go to the next show 2174 02:16:25,410 --> 02:16:29,280 to fixers but I do have the notes somewhere. We'll get to it 2175 02:16:29,280 --> 02:16:35,880 later. Tomorrow. Next show. Ian Nicholas Lindbergh in Stockholm. 2176 02:16:37,650 --> 02:16:41,400 To defy 55 This is not a big list people. Although we do have 2177 02:16:41,400 --> 02:16:44,190 a lot of $50 donors, which was the theme donation for this 2178 02:16:44,190 --> 02:16:49,110 show. 5050 years anniversary of the moon landing. Blake Farrell 2179 02:16:49,110 --> 02:16:51,720 in Arlington, Texas double nickels on the dime. Maxine 2180 02:16:51,719 --> 02:16:55,469 Waters. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Blake needs an F 2181 02:16:55,469 --> 02:16:58,799 cancer for his good friend Mike and his wife Yvonne in Benbrook, 2182 02:16:58,829 --> 02:17:01,379 Texas Mike hit me in the mouth several years ago. I've been an 2183 02:17:01,379 --> 02:17:04,319 anonymous freeloader ever since no more so we need to de 2184 02:17:04,319 --> 02:17:09,629 douching as well I have to do these. You You've been de deuced 2185 02:17:14,759 --> 02:17:18,779 you've got karma. We need to code those. I think we get so 2186 02:17:18,779 --> 02:17:21,479 many F cancers. I think the shill has to coat them on the 2187 02:17:21,479 --> 02:17:23,129 spreadsheet so we don't overlook them. 2188 02:17:24,750 --> 02:17:26,730 You should catch him. I don't think we've missed too many 2189 02:17:27,270 --> 02:17:31,650 Maxine Waters and there's enough codes on here. Maxine Waters 2190 02:17:31,650 --> 02:17:36,900 gravel 5050 turned another year older on the 18th and a hole is 2191 02:17:36,900 --> 02:17:37,680 this gravel. 2192 02:17:37,949 --> 02:17:42,119 Gravel is I don't know and but the gravel said dunk here in 2193 02:17:42,119 --> 02:17:44,729 Dutch at the end there so the gravel is multilingual 2194 02:17:45,479 --> 02:17:48,899 could be alright. Nancy MOOsic in Greensboro, North Carolina, 2195 02:17:48,899 --> 02:17:52,259 the following people will be $50 donors either of normal $50 2196 02:17:52,259 --> 02:17:55,319 donors are celebrating the 50th anniversary of the moon launch 2197 02:17:55,649 --> 02:17:59,549 the moonshot. Andrew gusik in Greensboro, North Carolina 2198 02:17:59,549 --> 02:18:03,809 Robert case and mill spring North Carolina. Thomas Tallaght 2199 02:18:03,959 --> 02:18:07,409 in Shawnee, Oklahoma has a birthday coming up for his his 2200 02:18:07,409 --> 02:18:12,869 boy, Daniel laboy and bath Michigan, John Knowles, John 2201 02:18:13,259 --> 02:18:19,979 Wilco. Matthew Hawkins in new Mabel Ville, Arkansas. Day 2202 02:18:19,979 --> 02:18:25,439 Dennis STARCO sir Josh Mendell in Greenville, South Carolina. 2203 02:18:26,879 --> 02:18:35,969 Jeffrey Radwan, Jeremy Yes, Jeremy RADWIN. Carl and reset 2204 02:18:35,969 --> 02:18:39,779 the eyeball. Hamburger. 2205 02:18:43,139 --> 02:18:43,979 situation. 2206 02:18:44,160 --> 02:18:49,650 It's funny because it's just I know from like a clip, you know, 2207 02:18:49,650 --> 02:18:52,410 and you say, well, it says this and I can clearly see what it's 2208 02:18:52,440 --> 02:18:55,290 done. I know your eyeball needs resetting, but I need to get 2209 02:18:55,290 --> 02:18:58,620 people to get you a cue to say eyeball reset, because 2210 02:19:01,290 --> 02:19:06,420 it'll be in the book but the this is not discussed by the 2211 02:19:06,420 --> 02:19:10,320 euro, your ophthalmologist this eyeball situation. But I'm 2212 02:19:10,320 --> 02:19:12,720 talking to over my I have two neighbors that live next door to 2213 02:19:12,720 --> 02:19:16,920 me to neurologists. And I explained they had a friend who 2214 02:19:16,920 --> 02:19:20,160 had cataract operation and something he committed suicide 2215 02:19:20,160 --> 02:19:22,200 some because he was seeing things or something like that. I 2216 02:19:22,200 --> 02:19:27,240 said, you know, no problem is. I said you get these crazy, it's 2217 02:19:27,240 --> 02:19:32,250 not like it's not like LSD level hallucinations. But you get 2218 02:19:32,250 --> 02:19:35,940 these dis dis semi hallucinations where and my 2219 02:19:35,940 --> 02:19:39,540 explanation is as follows. And the two neurologists agreed with 2220 02:19:39,540 --> 02:19:44,430 the theory and it is that when you're you got a cataract, and 2221 02:19:44,430 --> 02:19:47,610 you're living with this cataract for sometimes years and years 2222 02:19:47,610 --> 02:19:50,160 and years to the point where it's just kind of a blurry eye. 2223 02:19:50,670 --> 02:19:53,730 And but you still have the two eyeballs working and so the one 2224 02:19:53,730 --> 02:19:56,760 eyeball is doing a lot of interpolation and they use that 2225 02:19:56,760 --> 02:20:00,630 word, maybe call me out on it. Interpolation Which means this 2226 02:20:00,660 --> 02:20:03,450 is dreamy is making images that aren't there because your brain 2227 02:20:03,450 --> 02:20:05,940 read your eyeball read this to see as much as your brain makes 2228 02:20:05,940 --> 02:20:11,040 it see you puts these images together. And that's why we see 2229 02:20:11,070 --> 02:20:16,020 the old tube the old TV tube was you never there is no image on 2230 02:20:16,020 --> 02:20:19,500 it take a photo of one. And it was just a stripe have something 2231 02:20:19,500 --> 02:20:21,030 in your eyeball put it together. 2232 02:20:21,900 --> 02:20:23,520 Because interlaced 2233 02:20:24,090 --> 02:20:26,370 Yeah, it was it was not only interlaced, but it was really 2234 02:20:26,370 --> 02:20:28,800 there's not a lot of info at any one time. What was that word 2235 02:20:28,800 --> 02:20:31,140 you used again? Interpolation. What? 2236 02:20:32,460 --> 02:20:39,360 interpolate. Yeah, interpolate. interpolate. interpolate. Now, 2237 02:20:39,810 --> 02:20:42,540 that's why, by the way, and people should notice this is one 2238 02:20:42,540 --> 02:20:47,670 of our turning into a segment. I like it, dogs, dogs could never 2239 02:20:47,670 --> 02:20:52,020 see the television. When you had old screens, the old screens, 2240 02:20:52,020 --> 02:20:55,530 the old have tubes, the dog would eat dogs and cats couldn't 2241 02:20:55,530 --> 02:20:59,700 see that, but they can see it LCD TVs. That's why there's dogs 2242 02:20:59,700 --> 02:21:03,240 watch TV. Now, if they see another dog, they'll bark at it 2243 02:21:03,240 --> 02:21:06,390 to do all these things they never used to do, because there 2244 02:21:06,390 --> 02:21:10,770 was no full image up there that just stood on there like a 2245 02:21:10,770 --> 02:21:13,860 picture like they are today. So it's a different phenomenon. 2246 02:21:14,070 --> 02:21:16,560 Well, your eyeball used to use the dream and stuff up. So when 2247 02:21:16,560 --> 02:21:20,220 you get your cataract removed and put a clear, beautiful lens 2248 02:21:20,220 --> 02:21:24,630 in there, it sees everything. It's It's thinking well, maybe 2249 02:21:24,630 --> 02:21:28,590 there's more to it. And so it starts to dream stuff up. Well, 2250 02:21:28,590 --> 02:21:32,880 your your brain Yeah. So you see stuff sometimes that is that 2251 02:21:32,880 --> 02:21:35,340 isn't there, or you or you interpret something wrong. I was 2252 02:21:35,340 --> 02:21:38,970 watching a tennis match with Serena Williams and for one 2253 02:21:38,970 --> 02:21:47,760 split second she had three arms this is this is messed up. She 2254 02:21:47,760 --> 02:21:50,550 isn't have three arms. And I realized that was just I caught 2255 02:21:50,550 --> 02:21:53,520 an image of something in the background. And I my eyeball 2256 02:21:53,520 --> 02:21:56,640 decided it's kind of you know, it was good. It was working so 2257 02:21:56,640 --> 02:21:58,740 hard with the Cattaraugus commandlets. To do so to have 2258 02:21:58,740 --> 02:22:02,460 some fun. And so it put the three arms on the woman. And so 2259 02:22:02,460 --> 02:22:05,250 I said this is not right. It didn't last that long. But if 2260 02:22:05,250 --> 02:22:07,290 you you could be unnerved by this. 2261 02:22:07,859 --> 02:22:11,909 That's perhaps the most insane sentence you've just you've ever 2262 02:22:11,909 --> 02:22:16,859 spoken. What? Well, I'll, I'll play it back to you after. I 2263 02:22:16,859 --> 02:22:19,409 mean, you were like, I can't believe it. The woman had three 2264 02:22:19,409 --> 02:22:23,969 arms and then I've just like wow, this is that was that was 2265 02:22:23,969 --> 02:22:27,809 very Druggy of you. Ladies and gentlemen, John C. Dvorak with a 2266 02:22:27,809 --> 02:22:29,399 C stands for Colombo. 2267 02:22:30,630 --> 02:22:34,140 Oh, we're where we are Josh Mandel in Greenville, South 2268 02:22:34,140 --> 02:22:38,910 Carolina and Jeremy RADWIN. And in J and K, which, obviously, 2269 02:22:39,150 --> 02:22:44,580 Carl? Hamburger is 50. These are all $50 donors many. And there's 2270 02:22:44,580 --> 02:22:49,650 not that many because we're running out. Eric Ferris, John 2271 02:22:49,680 --> 02:22:56,910 Helmer in Shawnee, Kansas, Ralph Massaro George which it sir I 2272 02:22:56,910 --> 02:23:00,960 believe in Universal City, Texas, and that's it. Boom. This 2273 02:23:00,960 --> 02:23:03,810 was a very short list. Nobody wanted to celebrate the 50th 2274 02:23:03,810 --> 02:23:06,690 anniversary of the moon shot and 2275 02:23:07,920 --> 02:23:10,800 very poor for a week. Surprise, surprise. 2276 02:23:11,250 --> 02:23:15,540 Thank you. Anonymous and the other executive producers. Yes, 2277 02:23:15,540 --> 02:23:17,430 surprise, surprise. Well, 2278 02:23:17,580 --> 02:23:23,130 the irony of all this is that you actually because you know 2279 02:23:23,130 --> 02:23:27,720 less people participated in sending us some value. The 2280 02:23:27,720 --> 02:23:31,530 ironies kind of that you get more show. Somehow 2281 02:23:31,560 --> 02:23:34,950 you do get more show. And it's like you get to hear the story 2282 02:23:34,950 --> 02:23:36,300 about three arms Serena. 2283 02:23:36,360 --> 02:23:39,030 Yeah, well, maybe people can straighten that out for the 2284 02:23:39,030 --> 02:23:42,000 Thursday show. But thank you very much, everybody who did 2285 02:23:42,000 --> 02:23:47,100 come in and help produced episode 1157. That's over $50. 2286 02:23:47,130 --> 02:23:52,710 Very big. Thanks, everyone under $50. That is, for most just to 2287 02:23:52,710 --> 02:23:55,320 be anonymous, and to be anonymous, a lot of people take 2288 02:23:55,320 --> 02:23:57,750 out a subscription that just continues so they continue to 2289 02:23:57,750 --> 02:24:00,990 support the show. We've got a number of them, and please go 2290 02:24:00,990 --> 02:24:01,710 check them out 2291 02:24:01,710 --> 02:24:06,450 at VO rec.org/and. A, no one. 2292 02:24:09,150 --> 02:24:12,720 Alright, quick overview of the meetups. This is something that 2293 02:24:12,720 --> 02:24:15,690 seems to be working very well for people's overall mental 2294 02:24:15,690 --> 02:24:20,070 health, their their friendship, their relationships, because you 2295 02:24:20,070 --> 02:24:22,950 can go to a no agenda meetup you can meet people you've never met 2296 02:24:22,950 --> 02:24:26,700 before. People you probably would never ever bump into. It's 2297 02:24:26,700 --> 02:24:29,310 a very diverse group. And you could talk to everybody about 2298 02:24:29,310 --> 02:24:31,680 whatever you want and people don't get triggered because 2299 02:24:31,830 --> 02:24:35,970 their amygdalas are healthy. We have on the books for the 26th 2300 02:24:35,970 --> 02:24:39,300 of July st. Louis and Portland, Oregon. Buffalo New York and 2301 02:24:39,300 --> 02:24:42,840 Frisco Texas on the books for July 27. Central Florida July 2302 02:24:42,840 --> 02:24:47,460 28. August 1 Seattle Washington. We still have the lot festival 2303 02:24:47,460 --> 02:24:51,450 and ravens Bergen in Germany, which I need. I still need 2304 02:24:51,450 --> 02:24:54,390 clarification says August 2 through fourth that seems like a 2305 02:24:54,390 --> 02:24:58,500 pretty long meetup or in Orange County, California August 3 2306 02:24:58,500 --> 02:25:03,930 Murphysboro, Tennessee August 9, the 10th in Chicago, August 18. 2307 02:25:03,930 --> 02:25:07,320 Victoria, British Columbia, the 22nd is Charleston, South 2308 02:25:07,320 --> 02:25:11,340 Carolina. I believe that's their their six week cycle. And then 2309 02:25:11,340 --> 02:25:15,930 the 23rd is Salem, Oregon. Those are your meetups. Go to no 2310 02:25:15,930 --> 02:25:21,540 agenda meetups.com To find out more about these individual 2311 02:25:21,540 --> 02:25:24,210 listings, and if there isn't one there that is near you, then you 2312 02:25:24,210 --> 02:25:27,120 can set one up, you can you can get it on the calendar and get 2313 02:25:27,120 --> 02:25:30,750 it going. And it's again, it's just something fantastic to 2314 02:25:30,750 --> 02:25:31,620 participate. I would like 2315 02:25:31,620 --> 02:25:37,080 to make a comment. Sure. I was offered the flight from the 2316 02:25:37,080 --> 02:25:41,310 Orange County meetup back to which is coming up back to the 2317 02:25:41,310 --> 02:25:49,020 Bay Area by our Baron, Mark Tanner. And I have to mention 2318 02:25:49,020 --> 02:25:51,630 the people and I've mentioned this to Nadia, who's going to be 2319 02:25:51,630 --> 02:25:57,540 there. This Meetup is on Saturday, there's no way I can 2320 02:25:57,540 --> 02:26:00,150 do show prep, and then get back to do a show on Sunday. If the 2321 02:26:00,150 --> 02:26:02,550 meetups on Saturday, if you're gonna do a meet up that you want 2322 02:26:02,550 --> 02:26:06,600 me to attend even I'm not going to attend any of maybe one or 2323 02:26:06,600 --> 02:26:10,980 two, I will do this southern Silicon Valley one shortly, and 2324 02:26:11,070 --> 02:26:14,250 which hasn't been set up. It has to be on Thursday or Friday 2325 02:26:14,250 --> 02:26:17,790 nights. Otherwise, it's just not possible to do the meet up and 2326 02:26:17,790 --> 02:26:18,360 do the show. 2327 02:26:18,390 --> 02:26:21,810 Yeah, really, if you want us to do unless you feel more more 2328 02:26:21,810 --> 02:26:25,110 important. Now, where would this meetup meetup be? It's going to 2329 02:26:25,110 --> 02:26:28,860 be in Orange County somewhere. You can't just stay there and do 2330 02:26:28,860 --> 02:26:31,110 your take your mobile rig and do it from there. 2331 02:26:31,350 --> 02:26:34,170 No, I spent all day Saturday doing clips, I 2332 02:26:34,170 --> 02:26:37,290 got a warning. Yeah, I got you. 2333 02:26:37,560 --> 02:26:39,780 I can't I could do the newsletter on Friday. But then 2334 02:26:39,780 --> 02:26:41,910 there's clip day, I got to do all my clips and they got to 2335 02:26:41,910 --> 02:26:44,610 produce the clips, it's not possible. It's not even close to 2336 02:26:44,610 --> 02:26:45,270 being possible. 2337 02:26:45,990 --> 02:26:49,620 In the John and I have a little different schedule. different 2338 02:26:49,620 --> 02:26:54,330 time zones help a lot. I am prepping throughout the we both 2339 02:26:54,330 --> 02:26:56,970 are prepping throughout the entire week. And I pretty much 2340 02:26:56,970 --> 02:27:01,500 have a have a puzzle that I get up Thursday and Saturday and 2341 02:27:01,500 --> 02:27:05,790 Sunday mornings at five o'clock. 535 To be exact, for some 2342 02:27:05,790 --> 02:27:09,840 reason. And and then I start assembling everything. So I 2343 02:27:09,870 --> 02:27:13,740 that's when I record the clips. That's when I put packages 2344 02:27:13,740 --> 02:27:18,120 together with the outline the show notes. And so that takes me 2345 02:27:18,960 --> 02:27:23,040 up until 11am When we start the show, and I'm usually working 2346 02:27:23,040 --> 02:27:27,840 right up until that deadline. When I'm in Europe, I can get 2347 02:27:27,930 --> 02:27:33,720 almost everything done on on Sunday, and I can start a little 2348 02:27:33,720 --> 02:27:37,500 bit later I can get I started 10am. And then I have until five 2349 02:27:37,500 --> 02:27:39,690 in the afternoon before we start the show. And then you know, 2350 02:27:39,690 --> 02:27:43,500 it's basically basically the 12 hour days for me outside of the 2351 02:27:43,500 --> 02:27:47,790 producing But John's schedule, which has been for a while now 2352 02:27:47,790 --> 02:27:51,840 is you know he does all of that production work Saturday sends 2353 02:27:51,840 --> 02:27:54,660 me his clips. I guess they come in here around one in the 2354 02:27:54,660 --> 02:27:57,030 morning, two in the morning, Sunday. When you go to bed you 2355 02:27:57,030 --> 02:27:59,460 go to bed around midnight, I think typically Yes. 2356 02:27:59,700 --> 02:28:03,930 Right. And then you'd get up at eight or whatever I wake up. 2357 02:28:05,040 --> 02:28:08,760 Sometimes I will I liked the idea of having everything done 2358 02:28:08,760 --> 02:28:11,130 and then not having to do a bunch of hurried up clips in the 2359 02:28:11,130 --> 02:28:14,910 morning, which I used to do I used to get earlier because then 2360 02:28:14,910 --> 02:28:18,270 you'd use sometimes I want to produce a clip and want to spend 2361 02:28:18,270 --> 02:28:20,790 I would spend more than five seconds doing the clips that 2362 02:28:20,790 --> 02:28:24,120 they want to edit it or want to do something to make it sound 2363 02:28:24,150 --> 02:28:27,600 you know, it was some extra oomph. And every once in a while 2364 02:28:27,600 --> 02:28:30,450 and I can't do that in the morning, and I'm also like it 2365 02:28:30,450 --> 02:28:35,130 gets me up too early. And I'm groggy and I also like to look 2366 02:28:35,130 --> 02:28:37,710 at the current news because I got busted a couple of times for 2367 02:28:37,710 --> 02:28:41,460 breaking stories that took place that morning I didn't know and I 2368 02:28:41,460 --> 02:28:44,310 will occasionally send in a late clip but it's written for 2369 02:28:44,310 --> 02:28:50,220 context. We probably play between 35 and 40 clips on every 2370 02:28:50,220 --> 02:28:56,700 single show. We have 50 or more every single show. Go make 50 2371 02:28:56,700 --> 02:28:58,980 clips. Come back and tell me what that was worth 2372 02:28:58,980 --> 02:29:11,880 to. The 21st of July 2019 Forget belated birthday wishes going on 2373 02:29:11,880 --> 02:29:16,410 to Maxine Waters gravel who celebrated on the 18th age 2374 02:29:16,440 --> 02:29:19,770 undetermined and maybe we don't want to know also Happy Birthday 2375 02:29:19,770 --> 02:29:23,700 today to view for k turns 58 Sir John Horner says Happy Birthday 2376 02:29:23,700 --> 02:29:26,670 to his smokin hot wife Sarah cozy should be celebrating 2377 02:29:26,670 --> 02:29:29,940 tomorrow. And Thomas tolet says Happy Birthday to his son he'll 2378 02:29:29,940 --> 02:29:33,390 be turning 15 years old on the 26th Happy birthday from the 2379 02:29:33,390 --> 02:29:36,300 staff and management and back office here at the best podcast 2380 02:29:36,300 --> 02:29:45,150 in the universe. So we have 191 Daming so that means we need the 2381 02:29:46,320 --> 02:29:52,080 female swords we got him that's right Carolyn Blaney. Hog star a 2382 02:29:53,100 --> 02:29:56,430 and Simon live a zoo ski step I know both of you are about to 2383 02:29:56,430 --> 02:29:58,830 join the illustrious group of the Knights and Dames with the 2384 02:29:58,830 --> 02:30:01,110 no agenda roundtable for your contributions the amount of 2385 02:30:01,110 --> 02:30:04,980 $1,000 or more, it makes me incredibly proud to pronounce 2386 02:30:04,980 --> 02:30:10,920 the KC Dame Caerleon, a hug town and serve big night. Both of you 2387 02:30:10,950 --> 02:30:13,020 are welcome here at the middle of the roundtable we've got 2388 02:30:13,020 --> 02:30:15,720 hookers and blow rent boys and the Chardonnay and we've got 2389 02:30:15,720 --> 02:30:18,870 extra coffee and hot sauce pot and vinegar. Not good enough we 2390 02:30:18,870 --> 02:30:21,270 got kebab and Persian wine harlots and how they'll 2391 02:30:21,270 --> 02:30:24,060 pepperoni ELLs and pale ales, cowgirls and cough and 2392 02:30:24,060 --> 02:30:26,760 foreigners breast milk and Cobham sparkling cider and 2393 02:30:26,760 --> 02:30:30,120 escorts ginger ale and Jerboas, bong hits and bourbon, and 2394 02:30:30,120 --> 02:30:33,330 mutton and meat. It's always a fan favorite, go to no agenda 2395 02:30:33,330 --> 02:30:38,280 nation.com/rings and hit enter all your information so we can 2396 02:30:38,280 --> 02:30:40,860 get those out to you as soon as possible. And welcome to the 2397 02:30:40,860 --> 02:30:44,070 roundtable, our brand new night and our brand new Daymond thank 2398 02:30:44,070 --> 02:30:47,220 you for your courage and thank you for supporting the show. We 2399 02:30:47,220 --> 02:30:50,580 can't do without you and it is incredibly highly appreciated. 2400 02:30:52,890 --> 02:30:56,460 All right. Make sure you guys I get the rundown the thing that 2401 02:30:56,460 --> 02:31:02,070 still kind of happening boiling is the CIP ship ship seizures 2402 02:31:03,000 --> 02:31:05,250 that have been going on in the Persian Gulf. 2403 02:31:05,820 --> 02:31:10,440 And I'm glad to track them. I was listening to the BBC. And 2404 02:31:10,440 --> 02:31:12,630 they were kind of Pooh poohing it a little bit. They didn't 2405 02:31:12,630 --> 02:31:17,970 seem like all freaked out and war. There was a very 2406 02:31:18,000 --> 02:31:21,240 detailed PBS. None of these things are too out of control. 2407 02:31:21,240 --> 02:31:26,010 But let's play the background here which is ship seizure. 2408 02:31:26,340 --> 02:31:31,350 Iraq. Jesus is the worst. It's the eyeball Manning is wrong. 2409 02:31:33,840 --> 02:31:37,410 Tensions in the Persian Gulf have escalated sharply today, 2410 02:31:37,560 --> 02:31:42,030 with reports of Iran seizing two oil tankers. Britain says one 2411 02:31:42,030 --> 02:31:46,620 was British flag. The other was a Liberian flag ship operated by 2412 02:31:46,620 --> 02:31:49,980 a British concern. The vessels were stopped in the Strait of 2413 02:31:49,980 --> 02:31:54,660 Hormuz and diverted to Iranian waters. Tehran confirmed the 2414 02:31:54,660 --> 02:31:58,170 first seizure but denied the second. Earlier Iranian 2415 02:31:58,170 --> 02:32:02,430 officials also denied that the US warship boxer destroyed an 2416 02:32:02,430 --> 02:32:04,380 Iranian drone yesterday. 2417 02:32:06,630 --> 02:32:10,350 Hey, deny the drone thing and they had this guy on PBS 2418 02:32:10,350 --> 02:32:14,970 NewsHour, this Jarv ad serif who's the UN ambassador from 2419 02:32:14,970 --> 02:32:18,570 Iran. And they did have a little discussion with him. There's 2420 02:32:18,570 --> 02:32:21,960 some information as a long clip. But there's information in here. 2421 02:32:21,960 --> 02:32:24,000 I think that's valuable. I think we should play it 2422 02:32:24,540 --> 02:32:26,730 as a reef. Thank you very much for talking with us. 2423 02:32:26,760 --> 02:32:27,810 Good to be with you again. 2424 02:32:28,350 --> 02:32:31,860 Let's start with a downing yesterday by the United States 2425 02:32:31,860 --> 02:32:35,190 of the Iranian drone in the Strait of Hormuz. President 2426 02:32:35,190 --> 02:32:38,880 Trump says that this was just the latest in a series of 2427 02:32:39,090 --> 02:32:44,610 provocative and hostile acts by Iran. Is that how 2428 02:32:44,670 --> 02:32:49,110 you see it? Well, first of all, to the best of our information, 2429 02:32:49,620 --> 02:32:53,970 we didn't lose any drones yesterday. So it doesn't look 2430 02:32:53,970 --> 02:32:58,170 like that. They shot one of our drones. Maybe they shot one of 2431 02:32:58,170 --> 02:33:01,230 their drones, the reports that they shot, probably somebody 2432 02:33:01,230 --> 02:33:07,920 else's drops, but provocative. Even if it were our drone, we 2433 02:33:07,950 --> 02:33:14,310 are in our own neighborhood. The US naval vessel is about 6000 2434 02:33:14,670 --> 02:33:17,070 miles away from its shores. 2435 02:33:17,610 --> 02:33:20,760 So I would ask you who said What's wrong with you, man? 2436 02:33:21,060 --> 02:33:23,610 Don't you know who we are being provocative? 2437 02:33:23,850 --> 02:33:27,570 The Trump administration official line is that the US is 2438 02:33:27,570 --> 02:33:31,620 not looking for war with Iran. Do you believe that? 2439 02:33:31,680 --> 02:33:35,070 No, we didn't come to the Gulf of Mexico. They came to the 2440 02:33:35,070 --> 02:33:39,690 Persian Gulf. Now they have to watch that they should not 2441 02:33:41,100 --> 02:33:45,390 undermine our sovereignty, our territorial integrity, or our 2442 02:33:45,390 --> 02:33:48,600 security. And then we won't have a war, 2443 02:33:48,990 --> 02:33:56,160 even saying this week, Mr. Minister, that if the US that if 2444 02:33:56,190 --> 02:34:00,840 that Iran may be prepared to change the course on your 2445 02:34:00,840 --> 02:34:02,370 uranium enrichment? No, 2446 02:34:02,370 --> 02:34:07,740 we're not. We're not we have an agreement that we negotiated 2447 02:34:07,770 --> 02:34:10,590 with the United States. It doesn't matter which government 2448 02:34:10,590 --> 02:34:15,960 of the United States because the outside world considers the 2449 02:34:15,960 --> 02:34:20,130 government sitting in Washington representing the as representing 2450 02:34:20,130 --> 02:34:23,880 the United States, there is a provision in the current 2451 02:34:23,970 --> 02:34:29,550 agreement. That is in 2023. We're supposed to ratify the 2452 02:34:29,550 --> 02:34:33,810 Additional Protocol, which requires us to put all our 2453 02:34:33,810 --> 02:34:38,460 facilities under UN inspections for life, that would be 2454 02:34:38,460 --> 02:34:43,800 permanent. And it would also require the United States to 2455 02:34:43,800 --> 02:34:49,290 lift it sanctions by Congress permanently. That is a provision 2456 02:34:49,290 --> 02:34:53,340 that Phil already negotiated. He wants to do better. He can 2457 02:34:53,430 --> 02:34:57,120 implement that provision right now. And rest assured that Iran 2458 02:34:57,120 --> 02:34:59,340 will never produce nuclear weapons if that is his 2459 02:34:59,340 --> 02:35:04,860 objective. If he can do it now 2023 We are prepared to, to 2460 02:35:04,860 --> 02:35:07,830 bring that forward. We need to go to our parliament, our 2461 02:35:07,830 --> 02:35:10,830 parliament needs to ratify it, we could bring it forward so 2462 02:35:10,830 --> 02:35:17,130 that President Trump could make history by making sure that the 2463 02:35:17,130 --> 02:35:20,100 relations between the two countries will change forever. 2464 02:35:20,670 --> 02:35:24,630 Wow. Let's do it. Yeah, 2465 02:35:24,660 --> 02:35:25,680 I didn't know that. 2466 02:35:25,710 --> 02:35:31,500 That sounds that sounds spot on. I mean, that's first of all, the 2467 02:35:31,500 --> 02:35:36,420 Iran nuclear deal was never ratified by the by Congress, 2468 02:35:36,420 --> 02:35:39,630 right by Senate. And doesn't it? It's like it was a piece of 2469 02:35:39,630 --> 02:35:44,130 paper promise from Obama wasn't much more than that. So but, but 2470 02:35:44,130 --> 02:35:47,700 if this guy is saying, hey, we'll in perpetuity, you know, 2471 02:35:47,730 --> 02:35:50,040 have everything open, you can check. We won't build nuclear 2472 02:35:50,040 --> 02:35:54,540 weapons, lift the sanctions. Sounds like a great idea. I 2473 02:35:54,540 --> 02:35:58,020 mean, like, this is what an olive branch is move it forward 2474 02:35:58,020 --> 02:36:02,520 from 23 to 20. But the problem is Saudi Arabia, and I think 2475 02:36:02,520 --> 02:36:05,880 Trump has put too many marbles over there, including troops now 2476 02:36:05,880 --> 02:36:09,300 going over to standby because that's what this is all about. 2477 02:36:10,470 --> 02:36:13,170 It's the Saudis and the Iranians. They hate each other. 2478 02:36:14,070 --> 02:36:15,990 at a fundamental level. 2479 02:36:17,160 --> 02:36:20,760 Yeah. Well, fundamental fundamental. The religions are 2480 02:36:20,790 --> 02:36:21,600 disparate. 2481 02:36:21,660 --> 02:36:23,460 Well, I call that fundamental. 2482 02:36:23,789 --> 02:36:26,099 Yeah. Fundamental fundamental. Yes. 2483 02:36:27,180 --> 02:36:30,240 Damn, well, maybe maybe he's holding this on. I mean, he's 2484 02:36:30,240 --> 02:36:34,440 has the President has said consistently he, hey, we want to 2485 02:36:34,440 --> 02:36:35,070 talk. We want to 2486 02:36:35,580 --> 02:36:38,760 talk to him. Yeah. He's one of the few that deck she will go 2487 02:36:38,760 --> 02:36:43,050 talk to people who stepped in North Korea. Well, 2488 02:36:44,280 --> 02:36:48,060 this, to me is almost a no brainer. Except, again, what do 2489 02:36:48,060 --> 02:36:50,580 we deal with Saudi Arabia? Let's you and I think this through 2490 02:36:50,580 --> 02:36:53,310 because a part of Saudi Arabia 2491 02:36:53,310 --> 02:36:57,390 doesn't want to want Iran to be a nuclear power. 2492 02:36:57,420 --> 02:37:04,200 They also don't want him in the oil market. I think they can 2493 02:37:04,200 --> 02:37:04,590 both be 2494 02:37:04,590 --> 02:37:07,680 in the oil market. But maybe it's just the oil, but they're 2495 02:37:07,680 --> 02:37:10,770 not the big players. I mean, Saudi Arabia still is the big 2496 02:37:10,770 --> 02:37:12,240 plus the big dog. 2497 02:37:12,540 --> 02:37:15,420 I thought we were the big dog now. Well, 2498 02:37:15,450 --> 02:37:18,540 we actually were pumping like crazy, but I think in terms of 2499 02:37:19,200 --> 02:37:23,520 reserves, but our reserves usually count include the shale 2500 02:37:23,520 --> 02:37:27,060 and all the rest of the stuff. I don't think we have just a raw 2501 02:37:27,120 --> 02:37:29,730 oil as much as Saudi Arabia. I'd have to look into it. I don't 2502 02:37:29,730 --> 02:37:30,330 know for sure. Now, 2503 02:37:30,330 --> 02:37:33,030 that's a great clip. I'm keeping that on standby, because the 2504 02:37:33,030 --> 02:37:37,110 guy's very clear. He's saying it right there. Hey, we can fix 2505 02:37:37,110 --> 02:37:41,130 this right now. You want to be hero, be a hero. And by the way, 2506 02:37:41,880 --> 02:37:45,480 I'm pretty sure that Trump gave operational control of that 2507 02:37:45,480 --> 02:37:48,780 region to the Brits right. He said hey, you guys take care of 2508 02:37:48,780 --> 02:37:51,600 that you guard that we're now we're no longer operationally 2509 02:37:51,600 --> 02:37:54,990 controlling anything in that area if I'm not mistaken 2510 02:37:54,990 --> 02:37:58,530 possible. I think he gave that he said okay, Brits it by the 2511 02:37:58,530 --> 02:38:02,520 way, we have no real dog in the hunt, other than protecting the 2512 02:38:02,520 --> 02:38:07,860 damn Saudis for some reason. Now, even after we know that all 2513 02:38:07,860 --> 02:38:11,490 the 911 hijackers pretty much came from Saudi Arabia, some for 2514 02:38:11,490 --> 02:38:14,670 some reason, we're still protected. There's 2515 02:38:14,670 --> 02:38:17,430 a reason we just don't know exactly what it is. Now, there 2516 02:38:17,430 --> 02:38:19,110 was a shooting in Tokyo. 2517 02:38:19,170 --> 02:38:22,560 Can I just stay with with that for one second, because I can 2518 02:38:22,560 --> 02:38:26,430 get right into the 911 victims compensation fund with a follow 2519 02:38:26,430 --> 02:38:32,280 up to my to what we talked about on the last show. Also, this is 2520 02:38:32,280 --> 02:38:32,940 very much 2521 02:38:32,940 --> 02:38:35,970 right. This is the John Stuart Yes. 2522 02:38:36,000 --> 02:38:37,440 The John Stuart has changed 2523 02:38:37,830 --> 02:38:38,670 the debate. 2524 02:38:38,730 --> 02:38:42,630 Yes, he consistently is called it the first responders fund 2525 02:38:42,630 --> 02:38:45,990 when it doesn't it is the victims compensation fund that 2526 02:38:45,990 --> 02:38:49,110 is for much more than first responders as we're about to 2527 02:38:49,110 --> 02:38:54,210 learn. This is very much a third rail like talking about if 2528 02:38:54,210 --> 02:38:56,970 you're talking about Jeffrey Epstein and how possibly there's 2529 02:38:56,970 --> 02:39:01,620 an agency it may be Mossad and we didn't really even say it but 2530 02:39:02,550 --> 02:39:06,960 that were anti Semites, Jew haters, you know, you talk about 2531 02:39:06,960 --> 02:39:12,540 911 your asshole, although many people Yeah, I think Carly 2532 02:39:12,540 --> 02:39:16,170 pretty plus more on Twitter is she's she got what I was trying 2533 02:39:16,170 --> 02:39:18,840 to saying said hey, you know, there's so many disasters that 2534 02:39:18,840 --> 02:39:23,790 take place, you know, Katrina, or the BP disaster, you know, 2535 02:39:24,150 --> 02:39:27,240 where does the compensation and for those people well, much 2536 02:39:27,240 --> 02:39:31,530 quicker, much shorter notices. And so why? Why is this fund not 2537 02:39:31,530 --> 02:39:36,420 only been in place, according to I got some numbers here follow 2538 02:39:36,420 --> 02:39:43,860 up numbers. According to the Los Angeles Times, The fund has 2539 02:39:43,860 --> 02:39:49,500 already paid out $38 billion dollars to 911 victims. Someone 2540 02:39:49,500 --> 02:39:54,630 else reminded me that back in the day this was also quietly 2541 02:39:54,630 --> 02:40:00,120 called the airline bailout fund. The reason for that is you If 2542 02:40:00,120 --> 02:40:03,840 you took money from the victim's compensation fund, you signed 2543 02:40:03,840 --> 02:40:08,610 away your right to sue the airlines or participate in any 2544 02:40:08,640 --> 02:40:12,120 action suit against them, the airlines, not everyone took the 2545 02:40:12,120 --> 02:40:15,510 victim compensation fund money and did sue the airlines, 2546 02:40:15,510 --> 02:40:19,320 they've been billions has been paid out. But the fear was 2547 02:40:19,350 --> 02:40:22,920 amongst other things, that you needed to have this fund in 2548 02:40:22,920 --> 02:40:26,490 place, otherwise the airlines would have been bankrupted. And, 2549 02:40:26,940 --> 02:40:29,790 and they might not have ever gotten out of that hole, which 2550 02:40:29,790 --> 02:40:32,820 would have been another issue for I guess, our national 2551 02:40:32,820 --> 02:40:37,140 security and our transportation, security, etc. To hate all you 2552 02:40:37,140 --> 02:40:41,250 want on me, I'm just trying to give you some facts. We two 2553 02:40:41,640 --> 02:40:45,210 short pieces of testimony that are pertinent to this fund and 2554 02:40:46,500 --> 02:40:49,410 where the all you've probably heard on the news is, 2555 02:40:49,680 --> 02:40:52,560 that asshole Grandpa doesn't want to give money to both the 2556 02:40:52,560 --> 02:40:53,190 first as far 2557 02:40:55,110 --> 02:41:00,210 as little more behind it. Let's find out first about the 2558 02:41:00,210 --> 02:41:05,820 program. Okay, there are three changes as this is about to be 2559 02:41:05,820 --> 02:41:09,930 re upped. And these changes are extremely important. And I think 2560 02:41:09,930 --> 02:41:15,540 the reason why some people are questioning to what end there 2561 02:41:15,540 --> 02:41:15,810 have 2562 02:41:15,810 --> 02:41:21,240 been, I think four major changes for I'm sorry, in the VCF over 2563 02:41:21,240 --> 02:41:24,960 the last few years from what Congress saw when it last we 2564 02:41:24,960 --> 02:41:30,030 authorized this bill in 2015 and allocated the $7.375 billion 2565 02:41:30,030 --> 02:41:33,600 dollars. The first is that the total number of claims that have 2566 02:41:33,600 --> 02:41:37,830 been filed has increased significantly. In the first five 2567 02:41:37,830 --> 02:41:42,570 years of the fund from 2011 to 2016, we had just over 19,000 2568 02:41:42,570 --> 02:41:46,320 compensation forms filed. In the last two and a half years, we've 2569 02:41:46,320 --> 02:41:51,480 received 28,000 More, and the reasons for those I think are 2570 02:41:51,480 --> 02:41:56,130 three. The first is that there is a significant increase in the 2571 02:41:56,130 --> 02:42:00,000 number of claims being filed on behalf of victims who have died 2572 02:42:00,240 --> 02:42:04,020 as a result of their 911 related conditions as we get further 2573 02:42:04,020 --> 02:42:08,880 away from the attacks. But as the seriousness of the illnesses 2574 02:42:08,880 --> 02:42:12,270 become more apparent, we see more and more of these claims. 2575 02:42:12,300 --> 02:42:16,770 At the end of 2015, we had just 600 deceased claims, we now have 2576 02:42:16,770 --> 02:42:21,300 well over 2000 of them. The second thing is that the number 2577 02:42:21,330 --> 02:42:24,360 of claimants with cancer conditions continues to 2578 02:42:24,360 --> 02:42:29,550 increase, we have found over 8800 claimants eligible because 2579 02:42:29,550 --> 02:42:34,920 of a cancer condition. And we have made over 7500 awards due 2580 02:42:34,920 --> 02:42:39,390 to cancers. In 2015, we have seen only a fraction of that 2581 02:42:39,390 --> 02:42:43,080 number. And the third is that we are seeing a substantial 2582 02:42:43,080 --> 02:42:47,220 increase in claims filed by the survivor community. Those who 2583 02:42:47,220 --> 02:42:51,360 lived worked or went to school in the area. In the first five 2584 02:42:51,360 --> 02:42:55,560 years of the program survivor claims were just 14% of the 2585 02:42:55,560 --> 02:43:00,270 awards that were made. Now they account for almost 40% of the 2586 02:43:00,270 --> 02:43:03,630 claims that are being filed. And we think that's due to two 2587 02:43:03,630 --> 02:43:06,990 things. The first are the increase in cancer rates. And 2588 02:43:06,990 --> 02:43:09,810 the second is that the VCF suffered from a significant 2589 02:43:09,810 --> 02:43:13,410 information gap in the early years of the program. Many, many 2590 02:43:13,410 --> 02:43:16,530 people in the New York area were under the assumption that the 2591 02:43:16,530 --> 02:43:20,460 program was only for first responders. And as we have been 2592 02:43:20,460 --> 02:43:22,980 able to do more outreach as the World Trade Center Health 2593 02:43:22,980 --> 02:43:26,490 Program has been able to do more outreach, partly because of the 2594 02:43:26,490 --> 02:43:30,060 reauthorization of the bill in 2015. We have been able to reach 2595 02:43:30,090 --> 02:43:33,450 more people who are sick, more people who are dying, and those 2596 02:43:33,450 --> 02:43:35,700 claims are now coming in. So there's 2597 02:43:35,700 --> 02:43:39,600 some new information in there that I was not aware of that 2598 02:43:39,600 --> 02:43:43,830 cancers are Did you got cancer, and I guess you can then prove 2599 02:43:43,830 --> 02:43:47,340 it was from 911. And by the way, let's not sue Silverstein or 2600 02:43:47,340 --> 02:43:50,760 anybody who had asbestos in the buildings, you know, let's 2601 02:43:50,910 --> 02:43:53,940 forget about the give it from the American people. I think 2602 02:43:53,940 --> 02:43:56,910 that's what the Los Angeles Times is trying to say is that 2603 02:43:57,090 --> 02:44:00,360 even though the initial budget was 7.6 billion, they've 2604 02:44:00,390 --> 02:44:03,630 promised all this money to people, and it's totaling up to 2605 02:44:04,020 --> 02:44:09,180 quote 38 I think it's higher than that billion dollars. The 2606 02:44:09,210 --> 02:44:13,470 the way that they calculate a lot of these, it's also it's I 2607 02:44:13,470 --> 02:44:17,640 guess it's fair, but isn't really calculate these payments. 2608 02:44:17,940 --> 02:44:26,670 So if you were a fireman, and you died on 911, you were making 2609 02:44:26,700 --> 02:44:30,810 35,000, maybe $40,000 a year, they will calculate what you 2610 02:44:30,930 --> 02:44:33,660 would have made at that same level over your lifetime 2611 02:44:33,660 --> 02:44:36,390 adjusted for inflation, and that's your that's the payment 2612 02:44:36,390 --> 02:44:40,470 to your widow your descendants. If you were a hedge fund 2613 02:44:40,470 --> 02:44:43,530 manager, you already understand what happened some of those 2614 02:44:43,530 --> 02:44:50,430 people, some widows and orphans received seven $8 million for a 2615 02:44:50,430 --> 02:44:54,120 life but because that life apparently was making more money 2616 02:44:54,150 --> 02:44:57,510 it's worth more than another life that went in on almost 2617 02:44:57,510 --> 02:45:01,020 slave wages to go and save people. So by itself I can 2618 02:45:01,020 --> 02:45:03,570 understand where there's anger from John Stuart, but it may be 2619 02:45:03,570 --> 02:45:06,330 middle of misdirected. And I think it's unfair of him to 2620 02:45:06,330 --> 02:45:10,080 focus it only on the first responders to the second clip. 2621 02:45:10,380 --> 02:45:14,730 Short one here is, how many do they expect to enter the program 2622 02:45:14,730 --> 02:45:18,630 because it is now open ended as it stands. That's why Rand Paul 2623 02:45:18,630 --> 02:45:21,660 is saying Hold on a second. How are we going to pay for this 2624 02:45:21,660 --> 02:45:25,020 because it specifically states in the bill, this does not fall 2625 02:45:25,020 --> 02:45:30,210 under the pay and go system. And the pay go system says, if you 2626 02:45:30,240 --> 02:45:32,790 are going to pay something out, you have to show where the money 2627 02:45:32,790 --> 02:45:35,910 is going to come from right away, that pretty much means 2628 02:45:35,910 --> 02:45:38,460 you're gonna have to scrap something else. And that is 2629 02:45:38,460 --> 02:45:42,750 excluded from this by law in the language of the law. So how big 2630 02:45:42,750 --> 02:45:43,860 can it get? How many 2631 02:45:43,860 --> 02:45:46,320 more people do you think could be at risk of developing 911 2632 02:45:46,320 --> 02:45:50,070 related illnesses, including cancers in the next 25 to 50 2633 02:45:50,070 --> 02:45:54,150 years? And is it possible to know, the exact number of people 2634 02:45:54,150 --> 02:45:56,190 will develop illnesses at this point in time, 2635 02:45:56,760 --> 02:45:59,940 it's not possible to know the exact number. But based on the 2636 02:45:59,940 --> 02:46:04,560 rates that are increasing, there are going to be 10 to 20,000. 2637 02:46:04,560 --> 02:46:06,090 More cancers, I would estimate 2638 02:46:06,330 --> 02:46:09,360 the 20,000. More cancers, yes, because other diseases, 2639 02:46:09,630 --> 02:46:14,130 plus other diseases. And as we heard about sarcoidosis, which 2640 02:46:14,130 --> 02:46:18,120 is a fairly rare disease, but as common in World Trade Center, 2641 02:46:18,330 --> 02:46:25,020 exposed individuals, we're going to see folks who have lung 2642 02:46:25,020 --> 02:46:28,230 diseases that may require lung transplants or have already been 2643 02:46:28,230 --> 02:46:30,570 a number of individuals in the World Trade Center Health 2644 02:46:30,570 --> 02:46:34,980 programs that have required lung transplants due to scarring of 2645 02:46:34,980 --> 02:46:38,820 the lungs, from the glass and the the concrete and everything 2646 02:46:38,820 --> 02:46:41,250 else that caused a reaction in their lungs. 2647 02:46:41,400 --> 02:46:44,280 So it's an order of magnitude. You said, What about 30 40,000? 2648 02:46:44,280 --> 02:46:44,640 Maybe, 2649 02:46:44,970 --> 02:46:48,120 you know, it's it's hard to predict but based on the rates 2650 02:46:48,150 --> 02:46:51,090 and the number of folks that were exposed to it, that number 2651 02:46:51,090 --> 02:47:02,160 is is accurate. There you go. You're paying for it. Seems so 2652 02:47:02,190 --> 02:47:03,030 seems so 2653 02:47:03,270 --> 02:47:07,470 I find it to be yet. I didn't know it was so broad. Well, I 2654 02:47:07,470 --> 02:47:10,560 didn't know that anyone who didn't get Jon Stewart gets 2655 02:47:10,560 --> 02:47:14,640 cancer 20 years later can still claim that it's 911 related. I 2656 02:47:14,640 --> 02:47:17,370 don't know cancer rates are on the rise is all I've heard 2657 02:47:17,820 --> 02:47:22,020 across the across America across the world. So we'll pay for it 2658 02:47:22,020 --> 02:47:23,670 with that, somehow. 2659 02:47:24,539 --> 02:47:28,469 Yeah. Health care changes could make a difference in that 2660 02:47:28,469 --> 02:47:32,579 regard. I think that may be taken into account. So there's 2661 02:47:32,579 --> 02:47:35,909 two clips they have left have the final clip. But they do have 2662 02:47:35,909 --> 02:47:39,149 this mass shooting clip. That's another example of democracy now 2663 02:47:39,149 --> 02:47:41,579 playing a story nobody else plays or at least an element of 2664 02:47:41,579 --> 02:47:44,489 a story. Nobody else plays but then again, they ought to go and 2665 02:47:44,489 --> 02:47:48,809 do it. So I have no idea. What the hell hell's going on. Indian 2666 02:47:48,809 --> 02:47:52,559 guys, Tokyo, Tokyo mass shooting in 2667 02:47:52,560 --> 02:47:55,860 Kyoto, Japan. 33 people were killed Thursday after a man 2668 02:47:55,860 --> 02:47:59,670 burst into an animation studio douse the three storey building 2669 02:47:59,670 --> 02:48:04,350 with a flammable liquid and set it on fire. Police arrested a 41 2670 02:48:04,350 --> 02:48:07,230 year old man after the arson attack on the Kyoto Animation 2671 02:48:07,230 --> 02:48:10,620 company. Witnesses reportedly heard the suspect shout they 2672 02:48:10,620 --> 02:48:14,640 stole my ideas and they copied my novel because police arrested 2673 02:48:14,640 --> 02:48:16,950 him if convicted. The man could face the death penalty. 2674 02:48:17,010 --> 02:48:21,270 Well that's the first I'm hearing of that. And yeah, I 2675 02:48:21,270 --> 02:48:23,250 didn't know that he was claiming copyright. 2676 02:48:25,020 --> 02:48:27,690 Yeah, nobody else reported that they just reported that some 2677 02:48:27,690 --> 02:48:34,050 maniac goes good gun control. Wow. Yeah, but now there's no 2678 02:48:34,050 --> 02:48:36,450 details what's the details something somebody must talk to 2679 02:48:36,450 --> 02:48:41,490 this guy What did he What specifically did they steal? No. 2680 02:48:42,300 --> 02:48:44,580 I don't know. There's no reporting there. 2681 02:48:45,600 --> 02:48:52,170 It's I guess it's kind of worth it would have been nose nice to 2682 02:48:52,170 --> 02:48:53,520 know I guess 2683 02:48:53,790 --> 02:48:55,830 I'm just maybe somebody would come up with something somewhere 2684 02:48:55,830 --> 02:48:59,010 somehow. So you have any more clips because I do have one 2685 02:48:59,010 --> 02:49:01,080 finishing clip. I think a wrap the show nicely. 2686 02:49:01,140 --> 02:49:02,700 I'm ready to wrap if you are sir. 2687 02:49:03,510 --> 02:49:07,980 So this is Walter Cronkite in 1969 is kind of an inspiration 2688 02:49:07,980 --> 02:49:10,290 at least to me. This is an inspirational commentary because 2689 02:49:10,290 --> 02:49:12,120 we didn't talk about the moonshot today because it's not 2690 02:49:12,120 --> 02:49:14,820 really something we've talked about it before. And it was a 2691 02:49:14,820 --> 02:49:17,550 celebration where we you know, everyone made a big deal. Right 2692 02:49:17,550 --> 02:49:20,400 from this one clip that I thought was you know, it was it 2693 02:49:20,400 --> 02:49:24,270 addresses concerns. It's got an element of futility that I think 2694 02:49:24,270 --> 02:49:29,250 applies to you in particular. Okay. And I just found it very 2695 02:49:29,250 --> 02:49:33,720 inspirational because this is a 1969 This is Walter Cronkite 2696 02:49:33,750 --> 02:49:39,840 talking about the the late takeoff of the moon shot the 2697 02:49:39,900 --> 02:49:41,280 Saturn five rocket 2698 02:49:41,339 --> 02:49:44,849 reporting now from CBS News Apollo headquarters at Kennedy 2699 02:49:44,849 --> 02:49:47,639 Space Center correspondent Walter Cronkite 2700 02:49:48,720 --> 02:49:52,590 they resumed the countdown on schedule two minutes after the 2701 02:49:52,590 --> 02:49:56,070 hour, which puts them three hours at that time and 30 2702 02:49:56,070 --> 02:49:59,820 minutes, three hours and 30 minutes from lunchtime. 9:32am 2703 02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:04,890 Ever since they first rolled the Saturn five out of the Vehicle 2704 02:50:04,890 --> 02:50:08,220 Assembly Building right by us here at the press site three 2705 02:50:08,220 --> 02:50:11,490 miles from the launch pad, put it on that big launcher to take 2706 02:50:11,490 --> 02:50:15,150 it out to the pad things have gone exceedingly well with the 2707 02:50:15,150 --> 02:50:19,140 flight of Apollo 11. There have been only one or two small 2708 02:50:19,140 --> 02:50:25,350 glitches Oh, thank you. 2709 02:50:25,740 --> 02:50:28,620 It was the adrenaline shot. I needed to come back and do it 2710 02:50:28,620 --> 02:50:29,910 all over again on Thursday. 2711 02:50:30,359 --> 02:50:33,659 1969 the first glitch 2712 02:50:33,690 --> 02:50:37,200 bowl crap statement by Walter Cronkite. Thank you very much. 2713 02:50:38,760 --> 02:50:45,690 Nailed it. It's just a glitch. Who cares? That will do it for 2714 02:50:45,750 --> 02:50:50,610 today's program, Episode 1157 of the best podcast in the 2715 02:50:50,610 --> 02:50:54,960 universe. Proud to bring that to you and to do it all over again 2716 02:50:54,960 --> 02:50:59,640 on Thursday. Please remember us and support the program at 2717 02:50:59,850 --> 02:51:05,760 divorce act.org/na So we don't go the way of Mad Magazine. I'm 2718 02:51:05,760 --> 02:51:08,730 coming to you from the frontier of Austin, Texas FEMA Region 2719 02:51:08,730 --> 02:51:12,810 number six on all the governmental maps. Here I am 2720 02:51:12,810 --> 02:51:14,910 saying in the morning, everybody I'm Adam curry. 2721 02:51:15,270 --> 02:51:18,240 I'm from Northern Silicon Valley. I'm John C. Dvorak 2722 02:51:18,600 --> 02:51:21,690 coming up next on no agenda stream we've got talk story 2723 02:51:21,690 --> 02:51:26,250 number 32 Eating birthday in celebration of Dame Carolyn, and 2724 02:51:26,250 --> 02:51:30,660 thank you to our end of show mixers, Gallup, Tom Starkweather 2725 02:51:30,750 --> 02:51:36,300 and circumference until Thursday, everybody Yeah, I do 2726 02:51:36,300 --> 02:51:50,010 smell those and such where we are in time to the Zephyr or 2727 02:51:50,010 --> 02:51:50,430 what 2728 02:51:50,520 --> 02:51:55,110 we started the whole thing, just as this appeared is a 10 car 2729 02:51:55,110 --> 02:51:59,190 train to for some reason. I kept seeing these 10 car trains for 2730 02:51:59,190 --> 02:52:02,490 the last week and I'm thinking as I'm looking at these trains 2731 02:52:02,520 --> 02:52:04,740 again, why do they take cars over so they've always been 2732 02:52:04,770 --> 02:52:14,220 81234? It's not early I'm hearing in Hong Kong. I think 2733 02:52:14,220 --> 02:52:17,100 it's going to Well, I mean, I can hear the honk from 2734 02:52:17,160 --> 02:52:22,860 Emeryville this morning. They got on these days for signing 2735 02:52:22,860 --> 02:52:33,450 tomorrow there's going to be a staffer right on it whatever the 2736 02:52:33,450 --> 02:52:34,440 Judy there goes 2737 02:52:39,630 --> 02:52:48,990 going for the thank goodness there we go. Omar she is a 2738 02:52:49,320 --> 02:53:01,830 really pretty beautiful All I heard was 2739 02:53:05,430 --> 02:53:10,380 Why do I dislike you? Swing enough feel so 2740 02:53:10,740 --> 02:53:21,240 she would be a model all I heard was difficult. I forgot. 2741 02:53:22,770 --> 02:53:37,800 Everything else she has gorgeous teachers. 2742 02:53:39,060 --> 02:53:44,430 I want everyone to spread the word to all of your friends all 2743 02:53:44,430 --> 02:53:47,280 of your neighbors but everyone knows that we need a clean place 2744 02:53:47,280 --> 02:53:50,610 to be they can come here. If you can just stay cool. 2745 02:53:51,720 --> 02:53:55,080 Get some fans to stay cool. Some people just don't know where to 2746 02:53:55,080 --> 02:53:58,140 turn to stay cool. This summer scorcher turning downright 2747 02:53:58,140 --> 02:53:58,980 dangerous. 2748 02:53:59,010 --> 02:54:02,820 Look at these temperatures, triple digits, and in some 2749 02:54:02,820 --> 02:54:05,910 places. The scorching heat and humidity are gonna get worse on 2750 02:54:05,910 --> 02:54:07,260 the hottest day of the year. 2751 02:54:07,289 --> 02:54:09,329 People are not the only ones feeling this heat so are 2752 02:54:09,329 --> 02:54:11,519 utilities, which means while you're gonna feel the heat 2753 02:54:11,580 --> 02:54:14,340 today, the feel like temperature in half the country will be over 2754 02:54:14,340 --> 02:54:18,540 100 degrees, no relief for 190 million of us this weekend. I 2755 02:54:18,540 --> 02:54:18,780 think 2756 02:54:18,780 --> 02:54:21,360 right now we're gonna challenge our infrastructure unlike 2757 02:54:21,360 --> 02:54:23,100 anything we've had in years. 2758 02:54:23,130 --> 02:54:25,800 Over the next few minutes, I'm gonna see what happens to the 2759 02:54:25,800 --> 02:54:28,140 human body as it starts heating up, 2760 02:54:28,560 --> 02:54:31,710 wear loose fitting clothing, usable spritzes water on your 2761 02:54:31,710 --> 02:54:36,690 face works cold showers cold that continuous is going to be 2762 02:54:36,690 --> 02:54:39,570 polar caps, and no wind 2763 02:54:40,170 --> 02:54:43,650 in the future. It's going to be hotter and worse and we do need 2764 02:54:43,650 --> 02:54:45,570 to read 2765 02:54:48,690 --> 02:54:50,700 from this day forward, 2766 02:54:50,850 --> 02:54:57,330 it's going to be only America first America first 2767 02:55:19,470 --> 02:55:23,640 MoPhO MOPO boruch.org/in A 2768 02:55:24,539 --> 02:55:27,389 lot more on President Trump's latest racist remarks