1 00:00:11,610 --> 00:00:15,750 Moe Factz with Adam Curry for September 30 2019. This is 2 00:00:15,780 --> 00:00:21,450 episode number nine. Moe. How you doin Adam. I'm doing good 3 00:00:21,450 --> 00:00:22,140 man. How are you? 4 00:00:22,770 --> 00:00:24,270 I am doing well, sir. 5 00:00:24,570 --> 00:00:29,130 You know, on the last episode, we learned something really 6 00:00:29,130 --> 00:00:33,240 important. Mainly that the elites of the world wanting to 7 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,810 kill us. It's not just a white thing. It's a black thing too. I 8 00:00:36,810 --> 00:00:40,920 was so happy to hear that. Yes, there's a quality black elites 9 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,770 want to kill everybody too. But it's, it's fantastic. 10 00:00:45,750 --> 00:00:49,860 Yes, there's only two parties. The elite and everybody else 11 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:53,410 are the globalists and the I don't know, I don't want to say 12 00:00:53,410 --> 00:00:56,740 nationalist per se, but the non globalist perhaps right. All 13 00:00:56,740 --> 00:00:59,260 right. Look at it. Yeah. Well, I'm very curious to see you we 14 00:00:59,260 --> 00:01:02,050 got going on today. Of course, the way we operate the show is 15 00:01:02,050 --> 00:01:06,490 Moe does the preparation the production gets all the clips 16 00:01:06,490 --> 00:01:11,020 together. I do not listen to the clips. I can see by some of the 17 00:01:11,020 --> 00:01:14,170 titles though, that this just might be a very fun show. 18 00:01:15,060 --> 00:01:19,080 It's a show that I've previously promised and it is me being me. 19 00:01:19,110 --> 00:01:24,510 Always try to keep good on my promises. So two episodes ago, 20 00:01:25,020 --> 00:01:30,000 when we were talking about Mr. Shaun King. We had the colorism 21 00:01:30,270 --> 00:01:33,870 Ah, yes, the different shades of brown and black that are 22 00:01:33,870 --> 00:01:34,800 problematic. 23 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:40,170 Right. So what I wanted to do here is do a deep dive. And what 24 00:01:40,170 --> 00:01:46,410 prompted me to do that is ABCs new show mixed ish. 25 00:01:48,300 --> 00:01:53,340 In the summer of 1985, I was 12 years old, and I was living with 26 00:01:53,340 --> 00:01:59,340 my family on a commune. We ate together, prayed together and 27 00:01:59,340 --> 00:02:03,120 even slept together. I would have told you it was perfect. 28 00:02:04,500 --> 00:02:07,260 But the government would have told you we were radicalized 29 00:02:07,260 --> 00:02:13,560 culture violation of over 47 ATF regulations. My peaceful little 30 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,950 world had been taken away. When are we going back home this is 31 00:02:16,950 --> 00:02:20,670 our new home. What a base Harrison Jackson. The third was 32 00:02:20,670 --> 00:02:21,990 my grandfather. I'm gonna 33 00:02:22,020 --> 00:02:25,800 make more real world money to pay for this real world house 34 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,530 that your entire family survival is dependent upon. 35 00:02:31,410 --> 00:02:32,700 That is why he goes 36 00:02:33,389 --> 00:02:36,809 my little brother Johann looked at everything like one great big 37 00:02:36,809 --> 00:02:40,709 magical adventure. My little sister Santa Monica complain 38 00:02:40,709 --> 00:02:43,919 like a woman with no kids on our third divorce. Which 39 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,579 interestingly enough, she would eventually become and when we 40 00:02:47,579 --> 00:02:53,489 got to school, we got introduced to the real world. Real quick, 41 00:02:53,489 --> 00:02:53,579 what 42 00:02:53,580 --> 00:02:55,740 do you weirdos mixed with was mixed. 43 00:02:57,540 --> 00:03:01,050 My parents had sent us out into the world with absolutely no 44 00:03:01,050 --> 00:03:04,440 warning that being mixed was even a thing. Imagine being the 45 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:08,040 new kid when no one in the world is like you. But you have to 46 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:12,660 understand today's mix kids can look up to rappers ballerinas 47 00:03:12,690 --> 00:03:17,010 athletes, a president and the Princess The only heroes we have 48 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:18,240 were demarche. 49 00:03:21,389 --> 00:03:24,119 You don't have to worry what those other kids think they're 50 00:03:24,149 --> 00:03:27,659 idiots. And I want to be one of them. I want to be in any 51 00:03:30,090 --> 00:03:34,470 All right, this was like an 80s bad acid flashback for me with 52 00:03:34,470 --> 00:03:39,300 tears the fears and the bars. Oh, who's Johnny that's all we 53 00:03:39,300 --> 00:03:41,370 missed. That would have been fine. Wow. Okay, 54 00:03:41,369 --> 00:03:45,989 some some background on the show. This is a spin off of the 55 00:03:45,989 --> 00:03:48,869 popular show on ABC called Black. Yes, I 56 00:03:48,870 --> 00:03:52,290 like blackish that's pretty good. Okay, so 57 00:03:52,500 --> 00:04:00,240 this is covering the mom's past. Her name is rainbow. She's mix. 58 00:04:00,750 --> 00:04:04,290 Her mother is blue on the show her mother's black and father's 59 00:04:04,290 --> 00:04:11,610 white. Which almost mirrors the actual actress Tracee Ellis Ross 60 00:04:13,530 --> 00:04:19,920 That's right. Diana Ross's daughter correct. So we here in 61 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:25,620 this it was one thing in this in this clip and I you probably 62 00:04:25,620 --> 00:04:31,950 didn't catch it, but I'm gonna bring it up near maybe you want 63 00:04:31,950 --> 00:04:35,490 to replay it again? Just Just a tiny bit of it. Okay, they say 64 00:04:35,940 --> 00:04:39,540 when they were born when she was growing up MCs kids had nobody 65 00:04:39,540 --> 00:04:43,110 to look up to right now they have a president. 66 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,690 I did hear that we can look up to everything including 67 00:04:45,690 --> 00:04:46,770 presidents. I did hear that 68 00:04:46,980 --> 00:04:50,760 President ballerina and Princess 69 00:04:50,790 --> 00:04:53,550 so we just saw this near the end right of that clip I think 70 00:04:53,730 --> 00:04:56,790 I think it's about maybe three fourths and on the clip. Let me 71 00:04:56,790 --> 00:04:57,690 see. Real 72 00:04:57,690 --> 00:05:00,330 quick What do you weirdos mixed with? Let's make See, 73 00:05:02,100 --> 00:05:05,610 my parents had sent us out into the world with absolutely no 74 00:05:05,610 --> 00:05:09,000 warning that being mixed was even a thing. Imagine being the 75 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,600 new kid when no one in the world is like you. But you have to 76 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:17,220 understand today's mix kids can look up to rappers, ballerinas 77 00:05:17,250 --> 00:05:21,540 athletes, a president and a princess. The only heroes we had 78 00:05:21,840 --> 00:05:22,800 were departure. 79 00:05:23,610 --> 00:05:26,970 No, not again. I can't listen to the departure. Please, please. 80 00:05:27,330 --> 00:05:28,710 Read the middle of the night. 81 00:05:29,100 --> 00:05:33,480 Okay, so when they just so this is an audio show, so we can see 82 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:37,200 who they flashed up there but they flashed up. When they say a 83 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:38,400 rapper Drake. 84 00:05:40,290 --> 00:05:42,630 Let me what President Trump did they put up Trump. 85 00:05:43,050 --> 00:05:51,270 Now it was Abraham Lincoln. It was President Obama. Okay. And 86 00:05:51,270 --> 00:05:52,440 the the princess was 87 00:05:53,190 --> 00:05:54,150 Megan Markel. 88 00:05:54,300 --> 00:05:55,110 Megan mark, 89 00:05:55,140 --> 00:05:57,630 that was the who was the ballerina? Ah, 90 00:05:57,660 --> 00:06:00,930 what is her name? Misty. You got? I 91 00:06:00,930 --> 00:06:03,840 know. I know. I know who it is. I don't remember her name. But 92 00:06:03,840 --> 00:06:03,960 yeah, 93 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:08,940 I don't want to say yeah. So mixed. Mix people. Right. So 94 00:06:08,940 --> 00:06:13,560 what struck me about this is now we're referring to these people 95 00:06:13,830 --> 00:06:15,540 openly as mixed and 96 00:06:15,570 --> 00:06:16,260 instead of 97 00:06:16,290 --> 00:06:22,950 black, black. Yeah. Gotcha. We didn't do this in 2008. And no 98 00:06:22,950 --> 00:06:29,550 one called Obama mixed. Correct. No one called Meghan Markel. The 99 00:06:29,550 --> 00:06:31,470 first mix princess or 100 00:06:31,500 --> 00:06:34,110 knows first black princess. Right. 101 00:06:34,140 --> 00:06:38,760 So this is why I was like, Okay, this is perfect. It's a nudge, 102 00:06:39,330 --> 00:06:44,850 perfect jumping off point. For to tackle this thing call 103 00:06:45,180 --> 00:06:51,120 colorism and the origin of colorism in the black community 104 00:06:51,450 --> 00:06:52,080 Cosmo, can 105 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,810 I just say, I love you, man. Yes, this is so I love it when 106 00:06:54,810 --> 00:06:58,230 you do this. This is great. Right into the what's going on 107 00:06:58,230 --> 00:06:59,610 in the world? Perfect. Let's 108 00:06:59,610 --> 00:07:04,170 do it. Right. So just some background on the show. blackish 109 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:12,000 ah, I like the show. But to use our walk line, it has some 110 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,790 problematic moments on the show. Yes, 111 00:07:14,789 --> 00:07:18,839 it does. So like the kid wanting to be a Republican was very 112 00:07:18,839 --> 00:07:19,829 problematic. 113 00:07:20,339 --> 00:07:26,759 Right. So the show is used as a true propaganda we have to be 114 00:07:26,759 --> 00:07:30,509 honest, it's not just a television show so much. So they 115 00:07:30,509 --> 00:07:35,639 had a the talk episode sponsored by Procter and Gamble. 116 00:07:35,790 --> 00:07:39,810 Oh, yeah, of course. Oh, that was we talked about that Procter 117 00:07:39,810 --> 00:07:41,670 and Gamble promoting the talk. Yes. 118 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:46,590 So that fit was a whole episode surrounding a sponsored by 119 00:07:46,590 --> 00:07:50,760 Procter and Gamble and surround around the talk. So but I have 120 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:52,920 some clips here just to give some background for the people 121 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:57,420 that haven't seen the show of things I heard on the show that 122 00:07:57,420 --> 00:08:01,980 I found to be you know, just kind of cringe worthy. So let's 123 00:08:01,980 --> 00:08:04,680 get into clip number two 124 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,270 the time's right he's gonna have to throw down a big diamond on 125 00:08:09,270 --> 00:08:13,320 this one. White guilt you know I got around 126 00:08:14,550 --> 00:08:18,330 Charlie, I've never seen you use white guilt around in 127 00:08:18,660 --> 00:08:24,660 a pub last Friday wasn't enough to convince you crazy young 128 00:08:24,660 --> 00:08:26,010 grateful so I bet 129 00:08:28,170 --> 00:08:30,870 that's his buddy at work right? Love that guy. Yeah, so 130 00:08:30,870 --> 00:08:35,160 they has a guy where is so as to just some background on more 131 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:39,570 back on the show, or you have trade thing is Dre Johnson or 132 00:08:39,570 --> 00:08:44,700 trade Johnson one of the two. But he's the main character he's 133 00:08:44,820 --> 00:08:50,760 rainbow are both husband. And he's a very understanding or 134 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,480 smart articulate but they work for an ad agency which is funny 135 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:59,670 because it gives you a little inside glimpse into how I would 136 00:08:59,670 --> 00:09:03,840 perceive at agencies look at black people to say what did the 137 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,170 black community think about this? Or if I have a product 138 00:09:07,170 --> 00:09:09,720 that trying to sell to black people you see that often. But 139 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,080 the conversation they had between the two black man in the 140 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:17,430 office was he was telling me he had to throw down the the big 141 00:09:17,430 --> 00:09:22,380 card of white guilt. And for example for him this and show 142 00:09:22,380 --> 00:09:28,050 that he used white guilt to get Popeyes chicken, which we we had 143 00:09:28,050 --> 00:09:31,650 that conversation so we were co recovering a lot of stuff here. 144 00:09:31,650 --> 00:09:37,230 So I was like that, that made me cringe. But um, so that's one 145 00:09:37,230 --> 00:09:42,780 moment. Second moment, the clip three, I want a strong 146 00:09:42,810 --> 00:09:47,460 black name. Okay, because we've given our kids white names and 147 00:09:47,460 --> 00:09:51,810 they've all ended up black is I just want at least one of my 148 00:09:51,810 --> 00:09:53,670 kids to end up being black so I can 149 00:09:53,670 --> 00:10:00,810 love it. Your kids are not black enough. Nice. 150 00:10:01,350 --> 00:10:06,930 So that mix, he used the term black ish. So I'm like, what 151 00:10:06,930 --> 00:10:13,140 does that mean? I don't know what black ish? Well, 152 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,510 let me tell you from the white audience. Oh, this means is 153 00:10:16,510 --> 00:10:19,570 black people who are nicely integrated into white society 154 00:10:19,570 --> 00:10:27,670 Moe Yes. So that's a racist show man. 155 00:10:27,959 --> 00:10:31,469 Right very, very much so. But I'm not going to harp on that 156 00:10:31,469 --> 00:10:36,089 too much. But we can see leading up between from history of this 157 00:10:36,089 --> 00:10:41,249 show. What we can expect to come from the mixed it show is going 158 00:10:41,249 --> 00:10:48,119 to be into more propaganda but I've always understood all black 159 00:10:48,119 --> 00:10:51,419 people are black. And we've never made this designation 160 00:10:51,419 --> 00:10:56,789 between mixed and black. I mean, if you black, you're black. But 161 00:10:56,789 --> 00:10:59,099 before we get to there because we're that's where we're headed 162 00:10:59,099 --> 00:11:03,239 with this whole show. Not only do they push agendas that are 163 00:11:03,239 --> 00:11:10,169 raised base, they also push the agendas that are not race based, 164 00:11:10,319 --> 00:11:12,659 but one being for the pharmaceutical companies. 165 00:11:13,139 --> 00:11:13,919 Vaccines 166 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:20,430 mean to offend anyone? I am thankful. vaccines have 167 00:11:20,430 --> 00:11:23,730 eradicated so many deadly childhood diseases. 168 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:31,020 Oh, look, we've got a show for Big Pharma here show. In Jersey. 169 00:11:31,050 --> 00:11:34,080 We like to vaccinate our kids the natural way by swimming in a 170 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:34,980 polluted lake. 171 00:11:35,099 --> 00:11:40,949 Do you even know what's in vaccines? Well, I am a doctor. 172 00:11:40,949 --> 00:11:44,399 So all of us are trying to do what's right for our kids. But 173 00:11:44,399 --> 00:11:47,879 we can't let emotions make our medical decisions. Frustrated 174 00:11:47,879 --> 00:11:48,509 emoji. 175 00:11:49,260 --> 00:11:52,650 No, we should let us stay at home Doctor make our decisions 176 00:11:52,650 --> 00:11:54,660 for us crying laughing emoji. 177 00:11:56,190 --> 00:11:59,970 Really, vaccines work? They work so well that idiots haven't seen 178 00:11:59,970 --> 00:12:03,210 the ravages of polio firsthand. So they start spreading lies 179 00:12:03,270 --> 00:12:04,260 snorting emoji. 180 00:12:04,740 --> 00:12:08,460 Ah ha ha ha How much are they paying you to poison our kids 181 00:12:08,460 --> 00:12:10,230 Dr. Death needle emoji 182 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:14,490 bitch. I will drive to New Jersey to fight you and your 183 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,020 kids can watch 184 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,110 Hi. Nice Twitter dialogue. 185 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:29,520 She says she's the show is shilling for Big Pharma coming 186 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:33,060 after the vaxxers and that's just some background on the show 187 00:12:33,060 --> 00:12:33,180 to 188 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,960 ask your question. So first of all, Rainbow the mom in the in 189 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:43,500 the show is Doctor. Yes. Is there a big Is there a weariness 190 00:12:43,500 --> 00:12:48,060 in amongst black people about vaccinations specifically or Big 191 00:12:48,060 --> 00:12:49,410 Pharma in general? 192 00:12:49,950 --> 00:12:54,600 There's a weariness about doctors period in the black 193 00:12:54,600 --> 00:13:01,650 community. But it's too it's like either you're on one side 194 00:13:01,680 --> 00:13:07,380 or the other strongly. One side doesn't trust doctors. Yeah. For 195 00:13:07,380 --> 00:13:10,590 situations like the Tuskegee incident on prod. Yeah, there's 196 00:13:10,590 --> 00:13:13,830 a couple of historical reasons for that. Yeah. Right. So 197 00:13:13,830 --> 00:13:19,350 do you like man, and then it's like, be a lot of times. Doctors 198 00:13:19,350 --> 00:13:24,480 are awesome bullcrap. Other Half looks as doctors is almost like 199 00:13:25,410 --> 00:13:27,930 Jesus his right hand, man. Right. Okay, so 200 00:13:27,930 --> 00:13:29,580 that's kind of the same. Let's say 201 00:13:29,580 --> 00:13:32,310 they live in darkness while saying doctors are highly 202 00:13:32,310 --> 00:13:36,810 exalted. Uh huh. So you don't really have a middle? You don't 203 00:13:36,810 --> 00:13:39,690 really have a middle on doctors or medical industry. 204 00:13:39,750 --> 00:13:44,010 Interesting. Okay. So as I said, was I was previously stating, 205 00:13:44,610 --> 00:13:49,350 black people have really didn't make the distinction between 206 00:13:49,380 --> 00:13:56,220 mixed and black. What we did do was we have a stratosphere of 207 00:13:56,220 --> 00:14:05,670 blackness you have from high yellow to dark black. Hence the 208 00:14:05,670 --> 00:14:06,390 intro song. 209 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:10,710 Black and yellow whiskey, right. 210 00:14:10,980 --> 00:14:17,070 Right. So high yellow is like a very light skinned person. And 211 00:14:17,070 --> 00:14:21,720 then you have me saying dark black is very black. But what 212 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:26,310 you had was that thing called the one drop rule. And this is 213 00:14:26,310 --> 00:14:31,020 how you see were very light skin. light skinned people are 214 00:14:31,020 --> 00:14:35,550 embraced by black people. As us now we might fight within 215 00:14:35,550 --> 00:14:41,400 ourselves, but you're one of us. Ah, let's listen to Halle Berry 216 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:42,570 on the One Drop room. 217 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,210 Welcome back to news nation. A new interview with actress Halle 218 00:14:48,210 --> 00:14:51,450 Berry is igniting controversy today over how the Oscar winner 219 00:14:51,450 --> 00:14:54,810 chooses to identify her own daughter in the March issue of 220 00:14:54,810 --> 00:14:59,100 Ebony Magazine. Various speaking out about her biracial daughter 221 00:14:59,100 --> 00:15:02,730 whose father is While Mary says she'll let her two and a half 222 00:15:02,730 --> 00:15:05,550 year old daughter Nala make her own decision about her race when 223 00:15:05,550 --> 00:15:09,510 she's older, but Barry says she feels like she's black because 224 00:15:09,510 --> 00:15:13,350 she believes in the One Drop theory, the segregation era 225 00:15:13,350 --> 00:15:17,310 theory used to identify a person of mixed ancestry. Earl Afari. 226 00:15:17,310 --> 00:15:20,760 Hutchinson is contributor with agrio.com. He joins me live from 227 00:15:21,180 --> 00:15:24,690 Los Angeles and Earl, you wrote that Halle Berry opened the lid 228 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,350 on one of the thorniest issues that still plagues race 229 00:15:28,350 --> 00:15:31,950 relations, and you even bring up President Obama in your piece. 230 00:15:32,100 --> 00:15:33,960 Tell me a little bit more about your theory here. 231 00:15:34,830 --> 00:15:37,500 Well, she actually did, she opened up a can of worms on 232 00:15:37,500 --> 00:15:41,040 that. When we talk about race in America, we typically think of 233 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,980 black and white. But now as we will notice a new equation, 234 00:15:44,100 --> 00:15:49,230 biracial, multiracial, mixed racial, and African American. So 235 00:15:49,230 --> 00:15:51,570 now we've got all of these things in the mix. Now Halle 236 00:15:51,570 --> 00:15:54,030 Berry essentially says, Actually, two things. Number 237 00:15:54,030 --> 00:15:57,150 one, I'll let my daughter make her decision. But and this is 238 00:15:57,150 --> 00:16:00,960 what caused the controversy. I am African American, I'm proud 239 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,470 of that. My daughter is seen as that. And essentially, that's 240 00:16:04,470 --> 00:16:06,810 the way it's going to be. The interesting thing about that, 241 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,600 remember, during the election, and before the election, it came 242 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,300 up over and over again with President Obama. What is 243 00:16:13,679 --> 00:16:16,919 lunch drop rule defined? Because so many people I actually was 244 00:16:16,919 --> 00:16:21,719 surprised. You know, they didn't know really, what it is and what 245 00:16:21,719 --> 00:16:23,399 it means to black people. 246 00:16:24,030 --> 00:16:28,740 Well, once again, learning on a Monday, never heard of the one 247 00:16:28,740 --> 00:16:30,630 drop rule. Never heard of this. 248 00:16:31,170 --> 00:16:34,590 Alright, so the one drop rule, we want to get some background 249 00:16:34,590 --> 00:16:38,010 on it. So basically, if you're any part black, you're black. 250 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:42,330 Okay. That's a super Oh, simplify. You know, I have later 251 00:16:42,330 --> 00:16:46,200 clips that go into detail what it is, but this is how you saw 252 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:52,290 Rachel dolars owl. Yes. Yeah. Shaun King, be embraced by him, 253 00:16:52,290 --> 00:16:58,260 Sam black black people. Because it's like, if you have any part 254 00:16:58,260 --> 00:17:02,070 blacking you, you're black. You're qualified. Yeah, there's 255 00:17:02,070 --> 00:17:06,570 no mix that mean? You might say, Oh, yes, she's mixed but you 256 00:17:06,570 --> 00:17:10,500 don't refer to that person is makes you there black. Halle 257 00:17:10,500 --> 00:17:15,090 Berry, for example. We've always looked at her. She's the first 258 00:17:15,090 --> 00:17:20,910 black actress to win a Oscar and a leading role. President Obama 259 00:17:20,910 --> 00:17:24,780 he's the first black president. Like I said before, Megan Markel 260 00:17:25,380 --> 00:17:33,480 is the first black princess in modern times. So we never made 261 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:37,740 that distinction. But let's get into the second clip. Oh, Halle 262 00:17:37,740 --> 00:17:38,130 Berry. 263 00:17:38,790 --> 00:17:42,000 Well, you know, when we look at race, I mean, we know one thing, 264 00:17:42,030 --> 00:17:45,870 there's no genealogical or biological basis for race, as 265 00:17:45,870 --> 00:17:49,320 you know, everybody is mixed with somebody else. However, it 266 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:53,580 becomes a political designation. So are you black? Are you mixed 267 00:17:53,580 --> 00:17:57,780 race now politics has come in and how society perceives and 268 00:17:57,780 --> 00:18:00,480 labels individuals. In this case, it happens to be African 269 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,570 American. I just think Halle Berry is is reflecting reality. 270 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:05,100 Reality is role was the 271 00:18:05,100 --> 00:18:08,190 law of the land in the early to mid 20th century, which you 272 00:18:08,190 --> 00:18:09,030 point out? 273 00:18:09,750 --> 00:18:13,110 Yes, as a matter of fact, actually, it was encoded in law 274 00:18:13,110 --> 00:18:16,410 in Virginia, 1924, and many other states, and essentially a 275 00:18:16,410 --> 00:18:20,220 ones Rob rule says, if you have one drop quote on quote, 276 00:18:20,220 --> 00:18:24,120 whatever that is, you're African American or Black was, we will 277 00:18:24,120 --> 00:18:27,960 know, that was 60 7080 years ago, much has changed since 278 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,200 then. But then again, maybe much hasn't changed, because Halle 279 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,380 Berry is suggesting, maybe the old rules still apply. 280 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,780 But you point out this is in your worst, this is a sad 281 00:18:36,780 --> 00:18:39,660 reminder that race still does matter and matters a lot to many 282 00:18:39,660 --> 00:18:43,470 Americans, no matter what they are. Others call themselves very 283 00:18:43,470 --> 00:18:45,690 interesting article you've written on the Grieux. We 284 00:18:45,690 --> 00:18:48,330 greatly appreciate you joining me in you can actually read URLs 285 00:18:48,330 --> 00:18:52,050 entire report on this one drop rule debate right now on the 286 00:18:52,050 --> 00:18:53,670 grieux.com Thanks, Earl. 287 00:18:58,260 --> 00:19:02,760 Right, I didn't, I didn't know it was encoded in law either. 288 00:19:02,790 --> 00:19:03,390 This is not 289 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:09,390 so the reason why that was. So what you had was, you've seen 290 00:19:09,390 --> 00:19:15,510 other countries, you have black king community, you have a white 291 00:19:15,510 --> 00:19:20,280 community. And then most other countries like say Brazil, South 292 00:19:20,310 --> 00:19:28,320 Africa. You have a what they call like a mulatto class, or a 293 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:33,450 mulatto group. And America, they want to clear distinction 294 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:38,550 between black and white. So it was like, it was really it was a 295 00:19:38,610 --> 00:19:43,950 deterrent for people to enter interracially date or mingle. 296 00:19:45,300 --> 00:19:48,900 Because it was like kind of like a punishment this, this this how 297 00:19:48,900 --> 00:19:53,670 it's perceived to say if you have a mixed baby, that baby is 298 00:19:53,670 --> 00:19:57,390 gonna be black, and it's gonna suffer under Jim Crow. So you 299 00:19:57,390 --> 00:20:03,120 know, it was really a deterrent and That's how it was set up. 300 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:05,640 So, yes, 301 00:20:06,060 --> 00:20:07,980 and that kind of sucks. 302 00:20:09,630 --> 00:20:12,120 Very much so, dumb system. 303 00:20:12,900 --> 00:20:17,250 Okay, now, this change, though, I guess we're the civil rights 304 00:20:17,250 --> 00:20:21,840 movement and then was Civil Rights Act. And well, 305 00:20:22,499 --> 00:20:27,989 the weird thing is black people adopted it. Because we want to 306 00:20:27,989 --> 00:20:32,339 be inclusive and our race, we embrace everybody. So that's why 307 00:20:32,339 --> 00:20:36,119 this show mixed ish. really threw me for a loop. 308 00:20:37,230 --> 00:20:41,730 Because it wasn't embracing it's separating, separating. 309 00:20:42,690 --> 00:20:46,710 Now Now we're now we're going to see with why this change all of 310 00:20:46,710 --> 00:20:52,620 a sudden, why are they trying to divide, create, why are they 311 00:20:52,620 --> 00:20:57,960 trying to create that mulatto group in America now? That's 312 00:20:57,990 --> 00:21:02,940 that's the real question that I'm sold out. And I Hopefully I 313 00:21:02,940 --> 00:21:08,160 answered it today, with what with my findings, but we also 314 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:12,120 have Don Lemon, and he does some background on the one drop rule. 315 00:21:12,630 --> 00:21:15,420 And the years following the abolition of slavery, some 316 00:21:15,420 --> 00:21:18,600 Americans feared a rise in interracial relationships. So 317 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,630 states began passing laws to make sure that any child with a 318 00:21:21,630 --> 00:21:25,500 Negro and a white parent could be considered black and denied 319 00:21:25,500 --> 00:21:28,230 the rights of white people. In other words, a child with even 320 00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:31,710 one drop of Negro blood would be classified as negro. This became 321 00:21:31,710 --> 00:21:35,100 known as the one drop rule, a standard ruled unconstitutional 322 00:21:35,220 --> 00:21:39,360 by the US Supreme Court in 1967. This and the hardships of racism 323 00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:42,840 also caused African Americans to pass pretend they were white 324 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,600 without ever telling their families leaving a lot of whites 325 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,810 not knowing they had black blood. But some experts on race 326 00:21:48,810 --> 00:21:52,410 relations say the legacy of the one drop rule still exist in 327 00:21:52,410 --> 00:21:53,340 today's culture. 328 00:21:55,500 --> 00:21:59,340 So he brought up a great point of passing. Have you ever heard 329 00:21:59,340 --> 00:22:00,210 this term before? 330 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:05,190 Yes, I've heard it in the in the realm of transgender people. 331 00:22:07,980 --> 00:22:12,060 Interesting. You threw it at me like Oh, yeah. Okay. It's 332 00:22:12,090 --> 00:22:17,070 passable, I think is what is used? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well, 333 00:22:17,070 --> 00:22:21,480 we've seen this correlation between LGBTQ Qi with PK and 334 00:22:21,510 --> 00:22:24,300 black people, as recent as our last show. 335 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:34,710 Yes. So there are a lot of similarities there. So just go 336 00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:43,140 and get one. I'm just perplexed. When did we work so hard to be 337 00:22:43,140 --> 00:22:46,320 have unity and the weird thing is the reason why I say this is 338 00:22:47,910 --> 00:22:52,710 you have to understand blackness. And that's why I want 339 00:22:52,710 --> 00:23:00,420 people to understand no matter your shade, you're black. In the 340 00:23:00,420 --> 00:23:01,260 black community, 341 00:23:02,910 --> 00:23:07,680 except Don Lemon, who is a who clearly is a mixed race one 342 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:12,930 dropper, I guess somewhere down the line. I consider myself 343 00:23:12,930 --> 00:23:14,400 black. I don't know now. 344 00:23:14,610 --> 00:23:19,200 I'm not sure. And we're going to get to that point with you. Once 345 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:19,650 again. 346 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,980 I'm ahead of the game. I'm sorry. Yeah, sorry about that 347 00:23:23,010 --> 00:23:26,640 you for in the future. That's what it is. To get you a helmet. 348 00:23:27,540 --> 00:23:31,350 I just want to say, my experience with black people and 349 00:23:31,380 --> 00:23:34,440 my experience living with black people was in college, it 350 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,100 totally inclusive. Now, granted, they didn't see me as white and 351 00:23:38,100 --> 00:23:40,710 I grew up here from Holland that's different. And I was 352 00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:45,450 completely accepted and integrated. So I witnessed 353 00:23:45,450 --> 00:23:50,010 nothing but inclusiveness myself. So I can vouch for that 354 00:23:50,010 --> 00:23:51,330 based on my own history. 355 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,800 And that's what we do. That's what we do. And like, like I 356 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,890 said before, that's why I raised the dollars out and Shaun King 357 00:23:58,890 --> 00:24:05,910 were allowed to be brought in because if you say you're black, 358 00:24:06,510 --> 00:24:08,850 I guess so you really want to lie about if he wasn't, 359 00:24:09,570 --> 00:24:12,180 by the way, you weren't. I never claimed that was black, you know 360 00:24:12,180 --> 00:24:13,230 that? I think it's clear. 361 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,290 Right? I'll just say it, but that'd be like the last thing 362 00:24:16,290 --> 00:24:19,170 you would lie about in a black person's mind. It's like, why 363 00:24:19,170 --> 00:24:24,240 would you want this burden? Well, we're believing of people, 364 00:24:24,360 --> 00:24:28,470 I mean, perceived burden. So we're very believable people. 365 00:24:28,770 --> 00:24:31,020 But let's get into the downloadming to 366 00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:34,770 explain what the one drop rule is. the one drop 367 00:24:34,770 --> 00:24:38,010 rule, historically, also known as the rule of hypo descent, was 368 00:24:38,010 --> 00:24:40,980 really instituted to protect whiteness. It was a way for the 369 00:24:40,980 --> 00:24:45,030 white majority to be able to name and incite who was white. 370 00:24:45,030 --> 00:24:45,150 So 371 00:24:45,150 --> 00:24:48,840 it was one drop, which is 1/32 130 seconds 372 00:24:48,870 --> 00:24:52,770 of Negro or African blood would make that person Negro or 373 00:24:52,770 --> 00:24:54,720 African. Whatever the classification they used at the 374 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:55,020 time. 375 00:24:55,050 --> 00:24:57,600 I hear people say we're in a post racial society. 376 00:24:57,750 --> 00:25:00,510 The reality is in order to get beyond some thing you have to 377 00:25:00,510 --> 00:25:04,200 understand it right? And where in your education where have you 378 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,860 been required to learn about race? They don't teach it. No, 379 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,210 it is the foundation of this country. We have to talk about 380 00:25:12,210 --> 00:25:15,090 race. We have to talk about racial difference. It is just a 381 00:25:15,090 --> 00:25:18,270 flat out lie for us to believe that we've moved beyond race. 382 00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:22,200 Who was this? This was this doctor? Yabba whatever. Yeah, 383 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:28,440 it's not a Yaba Blay she's she's she has a one drop of foundation 384 00:25:29,250 --> 00:25:32,730 where she's studying the one drop rule. And if you heard what 385 00:25:32,730 --> 00:25:36,360 she said, the one drop rule scientifically was if you're 130 386 00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:40,440 seconds black. So let's take Megan Markel, for instance, 387 00:25:40,590 --> 00:25:47,580 she's half black, her child will be 1/4 Black. Wait a minute, is 388 00:25:47,580 --> 00:25:53,730 that only 33%? Is that enough? Not as well. 25 or 25%? It's not 389 00:25:53,730 --> 00:25:59,010 Yes, yes. So so so his child could, okay, her child could 390 00:25:59,700 --> 00:26:03,180 just to give you a sample, her child can marry a white person, 391 00:26:04,020 --> 00:26:09,360 have a child, that child will be 1/8 Black. That child can marry 392 00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:14,160 a white person, that child will be 116 black, and then that 393 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,330 chakra mirror white person, then that child will be 1/32 Black 394 00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:23,250 and that will still be considered black. Okay, no 395 00:26:23,250 --> 00:26:26,340 matter and that's the thing. Yeah, that child would not 396 00:26:26,340 --> 00:26:30,090 appear to be black at all. Megan Markos child doesn't appear to 397 00:26:30,090 --> 00:26:31,530 be black at all. 398 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,020 We never really seen the child have we? I thought it was kind 399 00:26:34,020 --> 00:26:36,030 of upset. Yeah, yeah, 400 00:26:36,060 --> 00:26:39,300 they have a picture out and it was floating around. And it was 401 00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:44,430 it was mean. I was like, Yeah, I was surprised to go come across 402 00:26:44,430 --> 00:26:48,210 your black Tama cuz it was like, this is the Black Prince. 403 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,530 I know. What am I thinking? Well, I tried to avoid the 404 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,070 gossip from royalty in general. So that's probably what happened 405 00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:56,430 there. 406 00:26:56,489 --> 00:27:02,039 But just to give you an example, but if a person was to say that 407 00:27:02,039 --> 00:27:06,329 we will be accepting Him, not to harp on it anymore, but just as 408 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,409 the background of the one drop rule. Let's listen to the last 409 00:27:10,439 --> 00:27:12,209 and final limit clip. Let's talk 410 00:27:12,210 --> 00:27:14,730 about colorism mix I write about I have a book and I write about 411 00:27:14,730 --> 00:27:17,460 colorism, about the difference between having light skin and 412 00:27:17,460 --> 00:27:21,720 dark skin light skin was you were a bit more privileged and 413 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,000 still in society people think that way but it used to be 414 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,640 worse. Let's talk about the privileges of having light 415 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,940 skinned even if you are a person of color. 416 00:27:30,120 --> 00:27:32,610 Whiteness is normative. So what that means is that whiteness has 417 00:27:32,610 --> 00:27:34,740 come to define what is human what is valuable, what is 418 00:27:34,740 --> 00:27:38,430 beautiful. So when we look at women, the ways in which we 419 00:27:38,430 --> 00:27:41,130 determine a woman's beauty is based upon her proximity to the 420 00:27:41,130 --> 00:27:44,640 white ideal aquiline features straight hair, perhaps colored 421 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,640 eyes, different complexion and the same holds true for men. So 422 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,700 again, I think subconscious or otherwise, historically, what 423 00:27:50,700 --> 00:27:53,880 that has has said or communicated is that if you are 424 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,900 have lighter skin, we can assume that you have white in your 425 00:27:57,900 --> 00:28:00,900 blood and to have white in your blood makes you less African 426 00:28:01,020 --> 00:28:03,600 makes you less barbaric, makes you more civilized. 427 00:28:07,020 --> 00:28:11,100 That's not heavy assumption. Yeah, no kidding. But I did have 428 00:28:12,270 --> 00:28:17,940 a listener contact me. And he's from India. And keep his name 429 00:28:17,940 --> 00:28:22,470 you're saying anonymous? He said all the things we stayed two 430 00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:26,460 shows ago about colorism. Oh, true India. 431 00:28:26,700 --> 00:28:29,580 Oh, and but there it's real classist. I would presume. 432 00:28:29,730 --> 00:28:34,350 But yes, it's it's very, it's very classist. And you know, I 433 00:28:34,350 --> 00:28:39,180 think for not for certain. The caste system is somewhat based 434 00:28:39,180 --> 00:28:44,550 off of corrupts color. Yep. So, we were going back and forth on 435 00:28:44,550 --> 00:28:48,000 Twitter, you're saying in DMS. And I asked him I said, I've 436 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,990 noticed just just to kind of low sidebar here. Because I want to 437 00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:57,210 make sure this is not a black only issue. This is a light 438 00:28:57,210 --> 00:28:59,730 versus dark issue. And we're gonna get into the more 439 00:29:00,090 --> 00:29:03,630 multiracial mixed race interracial stuff soon, but we 440 00:29:03,630 --> 00:29:06,690 have to understand, from my perspective, the background and 441 00:29:06,690 --> 00:29:11,940 all this. So I was asked him, I said, Hey, I noticed none of the 442 00:29:11,940 --> 00:29:16,800 guys I've worked with from India. Wives are darker than 443 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:22,440 them is Oh, yeah. Ah, he's, he said, so that's a true 444 00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:26,400 observation. So it's this weird thing, or I don't know if it's 445 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:33,330 conscious or subconscious. But um, do we do we like in beauty 446 00:29:33,660 --> 00:29:36,900 to a fairer skin? I don't have an answer for that. I can speak 447 00:29:36,900 --> 00:29:42,060 personally. I am a darker skin. And the weird thing was when I 448 00:29:42,060 --> 00:29:44,610 was attempting to date, especially in high school, 449 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,940 because I met my wife very early, but in high school, none 450 00:29:47,940 --> 00:29:50,220 of the dark skinned girls were interested in me. 451 00:29:51,180 --> 00:29:59,790 And I would say that from a white person's perspective, tans 452 00:29:59,790 --> 00:30:02,610 are all always seen as beautiful, you know, the nice 453 00:30:02,610 --> 00:30:08,520 bronze Sheen is desirable. So I mean, yeah, there's, I think in 454 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:13,380 fashion today, there's definitely an admiration of 455 00:30:13,410 --> 00:30:18,600 extremely white, but with freckles or red hair, and stuff 456 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,410 like that, but I think in general was still no look at 457 00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:25,530 women putting on makeup the white women putting on makeup 458 00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:29,040 makes them a darker tint. It's just the fact. 459 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,080 And it's the complete opposite. 460 00:30:32,340 --> 00:30:39,270 We're all moving towards the brown the mix dish. What are we 461 00:30:39,270 --> 00:30:42,870 doing? We're all gonna be one indistinguishable peoples 462 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:44,310 all right in the show. 463 00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:50,520 I'm sorry, I slept six hours. You know, it's like it's long 464 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,590 for me. I'll shut up 465 00:30:52,590 --> 00:30:57,750 now. No, no, no. It's funny. You always pick up where I'm going 466 00:30:57,750 --> 00:31:02,010 here. But you it's very true. We're working our way towards 467 00:31:02,010 --> 00:31:06,120 the middle. Ah, and we've already heard the term tall, 468 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:12,210 dark and handsome. Yes, yes. So colorism. colorism and this is 469 00:31:12,270 --> 00:31:17,580 an aspect of beauty has been around forever is not a factor 470 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:22,380 as for black men as big or as big a factor for black men, as 471 00:31:22,380 --> 00:31:26,640 it is for black women. Black women are harder hit by 472 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:33,300 colorism. But now so we have the color spectrum laid out. But we 473 00:31:33,300 --> 00:31:38,670 have to ask how do we get there? How do we get to mix to light 474 00:31:38,670 --> 00:31:43,620 scan to dark scan? And build do explains that, 475 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,990 that you actually created a documentary called Dark girls 476 00:31:49,350 --> 00:31:56,070 and light girls? Yes. And this actually was based on your own 477 00:31:56,070 --> 00:32:01,020 personal experiences. Seeing how how women of different 478 00:32:01,020 --> 00:32:03,420 complexions were treated as you were growing up? 479 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:09,540 Yes, how I was treated how I saw women being cheated. But more 480 00:32:09,540 --> 00:32:15,420 specifically, racism in our own community. Based upon slavery 481 00:32:15,420 --> 00:32:23,100 principles. A lot of the racism in our community is based upon 482 00:32:23,100 --> 00:32:28,290 the house Negroes versus the feel negros and the house 483 00:32:28,290 --> 00:32:35,730 Negroes were the ones who masa had sex with a slave. And she'd 484 00:32:35,730 --> 00:32:42,150 have a baby. And because they were mixed black and white. They 485 00:32:42,150 --> 00:32:45,840 have the privilege of working in houses, servants, cooks, maids, 486 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:50,430 etc. But if you were dark, he worked in a field from sunup to 487 00:32:50,430 --> 00:32:58,470 sundown. And that was the division and the field Negroes 488 00:32:58,470 --> 00:33:01,860 were not fond of the house Negroes because they had 489 00:33:01,860 --> 00:33:06,780 privileges and the house Negroes were not fun the fuel negros 490 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:12,990 because they were privileged until this day, if you go online 491 00:33:12,990 --> 00:33:17,550 under Hashtag team mites can hashtag Team Dark skin. You'll 492 00:33:17,550 --> 00:33:22,350 see lights can black women and dark skinned black woman broken 493 00:33:22,380 --> 00:33:28,530 over beauty issues. And each of them has over 300,000 members. 494 00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:31,920 Bill Duke of course. famous director. 495 00:33:32,430 --> 00:33:37,740 Yes actor and director Yes. He explains the phenomenon called 496 00:33:37,740 --> 00:33:40,710 the field Negro versus the house Negro 497 00:33:40,740 --> 00:33:44,040 it's just very interesting. My perception and understanding is 498 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,700 always again just just from my perspective, has been the house 499 00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:50,400 Negro was kind of like a trader you know, the house Negro is 500 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,060 just someone who was sucking up to the Massa I had no idea of 501 00:33:54,060 --> 00:33:57,060 this, of this part of this aspect of it. 502 00:33:58,410 --> 00:34:07,560 That is a true observation you made because but you got to look 503 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,710 at the psychology behind it. And that's that's why this is why I 504 00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:17,130 have these conversations. Why is the house Negro looked at as 505 00:34:17,130 --> 00:34:18,240 favorable to Masson? 506 00:34:19,170 --> 00:34:22,560 Well now now I know your genetics. Yeah, yes, of course. 507 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:23,880 Now I understand. Sure. 508 00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:33,479 This is my child and could you imagine, oh, the Oh, shame that 509 00:34:33,479 --> 00:34:38,099 a woman had to have if she had a light skinned child. Sure. You 510 00:34:38,099 --> 00:34:41,159 can't hide that. I mean, you have three dark skinned children 511 00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:44,669 and then this one light skinned child. Everybody knows what this 512 00:34:44,699 --> 00:34:50,129 the root of that was. So is there is there's built in 513 00:34:50,129 --> 00:34:56,399 animosity there. But in favor of the house negro. They will be 514 00:34:56,399 --> 00:35:00,209 able to inherit land. A lot of times they were will their 515 00:35:00,209 --> 00:35:06,209 freedom upon Massa Dion, he would set his children free. So 516 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:10,859 adore slave times you had this you had that subculture of 517 00:35:10,859 --> 00:35:16,499 mulatos. But that's why they instilled the one drop rule. Got 518 00:35:16,499 --> 00:35:22,769 it. So what it did was forced these two groups that had all 519 00:35:22,769 --> 00:35:28,799 this animosity that together because the house Negro couldn't 520 00:35:28,829 --> 00:35:32,099 identify with the field Negro because it's like, man, you you 521 00:35:32,099 --> 00:35:35,819 live in a house and you eat massive scraps, and, you know, 522 00:35:35,819 --> 00:35:41,789 he share his blood. So you're not black enough. Um, but on the 523 00:35:41,789 --> 00:35:42,989 other hand, it's like, 524 00:35:43,020 --> 00:35:46,110 no, you gotta, you gotta drop. You're not really one of us. 525 00:35:46,620 --> 00:35:47,100 Right? 526 00:35:47,130 --> 00:35:50,970 Yep. And but then the one drop rule forces, the two things 527 00:35:50,970 --> 00:35:58,200 together, and house Negroes were typically the founding members 528 00:35:58,260 --> 00:36:02,850 of what would be considered the Boulais. Because of that 529 00:36:02,850 --> 00:36:11,220 privilege, yeah, it was so fast for you say, post recruit, or 530 00:36:11,220 --> 00:36:16,290 reconstruction, or you had a lot of mixed race people. Black, I 531 00:36:16,290 --> 00:36:20,640 mean, I consider them black. I don't make that distinction. But 532 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:25,920 you had a lot of mixed race people that were land owners and 533 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:31,170 occupy and political office. And as we spoke on the last show, 534 00:36:31,950 --> 00:36:35,580 all a Rockefeller money came in to create these Learning 535 00:36:35,610 --> 00:36:41,970 Institutes. Yeah. And at these Learning Institutes, where a lot 536 00:36:42,180 --> 00:36:47,130 majority fair skinned black people, let's just be honest 537 00:36:47,130 --> 00:36:53,190 here. Oh, so much. So there was a letter discussing this from 538 00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:55,170 Howard University in 1928. 539 00:36:58,500 --> 00:37:04,770 Paper Bag test letter from 1928 addresses black fraternity and 540 00:37:04,770 --> 00:37:10,770 sorority colorism at Howard University. Ever and anonymous 541 00:37:10,770 --> 00:37:15,330 rumors and reports come out of our college and institutes that 542 00:37:15,330 --> 00:37:19,620 color prejudice is an evidence and color discrimination 543 00:37:19,620 --> 00:37:26,430 practiced. We are not so surprised when we hear such 544 00:37:26,430 --> 00:37:30,810 rumors and reports about institutions of learning owned, 545 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:35,820 controlled and attended by white people. But it certainly comes 546 00:37:35,820 --> 00:37:39,450 as a great shock and causes a feeling of shame. When we hear 547 00:37:39,450 --> 00:37:44,160 such news about Negro colleges. At first glance, it would seem 548 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,820 incredible that negros themselves the victims, victims 549 00:37:48,060 --> 00:37:51,510 of ignorant prejudice and discrimination because of color 550 00:37:51,630 --> 00:37:55,470 should follow the lead of the Nordics and yet a sophomore at 551 00:37:55,470 --> 00:37:59,340 Howard University, our proudest institution of learning makes 552 00:37:59,340 --> 00:38:02,310 such a charge against the Negro fraternities and sororities 553 00:38:02,310 --> 00:38:07,680 their writing in the hilltop a campus publication. The student 554 00:38:07,710 --> 00:38:11,730 Edward H. Taylor alleges that the Greek letter organizations 555 00:38:11,730 --> 00:38:14,940 are behind the movement, which results in splitting up the 556 00:38:14,940 --> 00:38:19,950 various classes into groups of different shades, yellow, brown, 557 00:38:20,010 --> 00:38:23,100 and black. According to this young man, the light skinned 558 00:38:23,100 --> 00:38:26,820 students are sought after by the fraternities and sororities, 559 00:38:27,210 --> 00:38:31,440 particularly the ladder as members and the dark ones passed 560 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,850 by the darker brown students. They inform their own cliques 561 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,140 while the blacks are left out in the cold. This is the most 562 00:38:40,140 --> 00:38:42,240 disgraceful situation imaginable. 563 00:38:42,900 --> 00:38:47,850 Wow. To Howard is Kamala Harris's alma mater, I believe, 564 00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:49,950 yes, historically black college 565 00:38:49,980 --> 00:38:52,980 and she's a member of one of those fraternities 566 00:38:54,210 --> 00:38:58,320 of the Boulais. Just say, yes. And secondarily, I want that 567 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:03,360 guy's voice. The set of pipes on that guy, right, yeah. 568 00:39:03,630 --> 00:39:06,900 So that was a reading of that letter for 1928. Addressing the 569 00:39:06,900 --> 00:39:12,420 colorism at Howard University. Oh, so it was 570 00:39:13,140 --> 00:39:16,230 it was like you're black in the historically black system? 571 00:39:16,650 --> 00:39:20,610 Yes, yes. You're black. It's like we're black, but it's 572 00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:27,390 different variations of black. Like we went outside force comes 573 00:39:27,390 --> 00:39:33,360 at us. We clean together. But inside, there's a lot of 574 00:39:33,390 --> 00:39:37,320 infighting. And I hope people notice this throughout every 575 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:41,400 show I've made they divide black people want every distinction 576 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:42,150 possible. 577 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:48,720 And just as a parallel, this is the same with the LGBTQ 578 00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:52,590 community, which is not a commute. I've always said I grew 579 00:39:52,590 --> 00:39:55,350 up in Amsterdam around a lot of this. There's no community. 580 00:39:55,860 --> 00:40:00,660 Yeah. It's actually unfairly and I would say insultingly lumping 581 00:40:00,660 --> 00:40:01,740 everybody together. 582 00:40:02,610 --> 00:40:07,440 But the weird thing about colorism just just background is 583 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,880 Yeah, I have two brown skinned children. I have two lighter 584 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:12,780 skinned children and 585 00:40:12,780 --> 00:40:13,890 you mentioned this before. 586 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:20,370 How does this happen? Because, okay, going back to my lineage 587 00:40:21,180 --> 00:40:26,370 on my dad's side, my grandmother is fair skinned. My grandfather 588 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:31,470 on my dad's side is dark skinned. on my mom's side, my 589 00:40:31,500 --> 00:40:35,580 grandfather's fair skinned it. And my grandmother, my 590 00:40:35,580 --> 00:40:38,940 grandmother on my mother's side is dark skinned. Walker Brown, 591 00:40:38,940 --> 00:40:39,030 how 592 00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:39,780 about your wife? 593 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:45,420 My wife is lighter skinned. Got it? So it's like, where did that 594 00:40:45,420 --> 00:40:50,850 come from? I mean, so here's the thing. Just because you're light 595 00:40:50,850 --> 00:40:54,660 skinned, don't mean you're biracial. Because we, we've had 596 00:40:54,660 --> 00:40:57,930 many, many generations of light skinned people to intermarry, 597 00:40:58,650 --> 00:41:02,220 that they're considered just as black as I am. But they have 598 00:41:02,220 --> 00:41:04,860 fair skin. And then with genetics, you know, you never 599 00:41:04,860 --> 00:41:09,600 know what you're going to get out the crapshoot. Right. So 600 00:41:10,530 --> 00:41:13,440 this is the weird, that's where it differs from other 601 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:18,750 communities. Because you can't just divide and say, Okay, you 602 00:41:18,750 --> 00:41:21,060 are over here, you are over here. How would you divide my 603 00:41:21,060 --> 00:41:24,480 children? You know, would you say, Oh, you too light skinned? 604 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,600 So you go on this side? Are you too brown? Brown skinned? You go 605 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:32,190 on this side? So it just makes for a weird problem. 606 00:41:32,190 --> 00:41:35,610 Can I ask you a personal question? Yes, sure. Do your 607 00:41:35,610 --> 00:41:37,590 kids have issues amongst themselves? 608 00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:43,110 No, because I'm glad you asked that, because it leads us to the 609 00:41:43,110 --> 00:41:48,150 next clip. The education has to come from the parents to say 610 00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:50,880 there is no difference. When I see a light skinned person, I 611 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:55,080 don't see them as being any less black. I judge a person on their 612 00:41:55,080 --> 00:42:03,390 actions and where what they hold what they hold what they hold in 613 00:42:03,390 --> 00:42:07,710 there. And apart Yeah, and importance on going I hate to 614 00:42:07,710 --> 00:42:10,290 keep going back to these people. But that's why you can have 615 00:42:10,290 --> 00:42:12,990 people like Shaun King and Rachel Hollis out to come in. 616 00:42:12,990 --> 00:42:15,360 Because if you judge them on that standard, like hey, they're 617 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:20,580 members of the NAACP. They're fighting for what? What is 618 00:42:20,580 --> 00:42:25,170 perceived to be black, right? You know, not their skin color, 619 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:29,850 their black. But you asked a great question. 620 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,710 No, it was not a great question. No, it 621 00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:39,840 was because Matthew knows who is Beyonce, his father is gonna 622 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,360 explain that one of your answers to the root of this. 623 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:47,970 Now, in your book, you said that your mother would tell you Don't 624 00:42:47,970 --> 00:42:50,670 ever bring no Nappy Headed Black Girl to my house. 625 00:42:50,700 --> 00:42:55,380 Yeah, which was wrong. You know, that was an era in the South 626 00:42:55,410 --> 00:43:03,150 that a lot of black women felt women of color felt. And she 627 00:43:03,180 --> 00:43:07,590 consistently said that in it, I internalized that. And because I 628 00:43:07,590 --> 00:43:11,070 internalized that and because I was one of the flak first blacks 629 00:43:11,070 --> 00:43:14,250 in junior high one of the first in High School University of 630 00:43:14,250 --> 00:43:19,830 Tennessee. I dated white girls when I was a kid, because I 631 00:43:19,830 --> 00:43:23,550 internalized my mother's saying, Don't ever bring no black nappy 632 00:43:23,550 --> 00:43:24,360 hair girl. 633 00:43:24,510 --> 00:43:27,780 Well, I mean, that's kind of kind of interesting because your 634 00:43:27,780 --> 00:43:28,830 mother she dark skinned, 635 00:43:30,119 --> 00:43:32,279 kind of in the middle, kind of in the middle kind of in the 636 00:43:32,279 --> 00:43:32,939 middle. So 637 00:43:32,940 --> 00:43:37,800 was she saying don't bring home a girl that looks like her? Or 638 00:43:37,830 --> 00:43:40,170 darker than her or what what exactly 639 00:43:40,290 --> 00:43:44,790 did I internalize it to be even darkness or or her color adore a 640 00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:46,710 darker so so what what was really going through 641 00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:49,980 your mind when when your mother is saying don't don't date 642 00:43:49,980 --> 00:43:51,180 someone who looks like me? 643 00:43:51,540 --> 00:43:55,560 Because I internalized that that was ugly, not attractive, not 644 00:43:55,830 --> 00:44:00,840 the right person, type of girl that she wanted me to date or 645 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,930 have a relationship with. That's how I internalized it. 646 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:06,030 And of course he married 647 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,210 Tina Tina Knowles, who 648 00:44:09,210 --> 00:44:13,350 was light skinned. Yes. And he's dark skinned. 649 00:44:13,380 --> 00:44:20,670 Well she's actually biracial as me like that's the thing is 650 00:44:20,670 --> 00:44:25,470 yeah, she's by what she's light skin. But you have to ask a 651 00:44:25,470 --> 00:44:28,050 question that I go on this show we're gonna be having a 652 00:44:28,050 --> 00:44:32,580 psychology that his mother tell him that because he she didn't 653 00:44:32,580 --> 00:44:36,930 want her grandkids to have the perceived burden that she had. 654 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:42,060 Possibly, you know, procreate with a lighter person because my 655 00:44:42,060 --> 00:44:47,400 grandchildren will have a better opportunity that 656 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,230 sounds like something a grandmother would do. 657 00:44:50,250 --> 00:44:53,970 Right was seen as hateful. That's why it's this weird 658 00:44:53,970 --> 00:44:56,640 thing. Yeah, that's why I say it's a great question because 659 00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:01,770 you set it up. Well if We were that way we will be teaching our 660 00:45:01,770 --> 00:45:05,880 kids that but we tell them all shades are black you know there 661 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:10,620 is no black but you're saying black or because your skin 662 00:45:10,620 --> 00:45:14,790 color. But there is a black now don't get it twisted. And we 663 00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:19,290 push that heavy in my house and it's out of a sense of I like 664 00:45:19,290 --> 00:45:23,250 being black. I don't see it as being a burden as some people 665 00:45:23,250 --> 00:45:29,490 see it you know, I embrace it. I think we are some of the most of 666 00:45:31,020 --> 00:45:34,350 this is just to me, it was an interesting people. 667 00:45:34,380 --> 00:45:39,960 Interesting show fact. I've never seen you know, once once 668 00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:43,830 honestly, once we were setting up Skype, the webcam went on. Oh 669 00:45:43,830 --> 00:45:47,670 boy, I gotta be honest. It was a dark room. I couldn't see. I 670 00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:49,860 have no idea what you look like I really don't. 671 00:45:50,100 --> 00:45:54,960 I don't it wasn't. It was a dark room. So it doesn't matter 672 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,870 is it? That's what I love about a podcast, you know who the hell 673 00:45:57,870 --> 00:45:59,280 knows? It could be. 674 00:46:01,050 --> 00:46:06,720 But I don't embrace that self hate. I never I was never 675 00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:07,200 allowed 676 00:46:07,199 --> 00:46:07,919 to know. 677 00:46:09,420 --> 00:46:16,080 Me embrace you know, our that and that's where we're headed in 678 00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,930 this conversation. That's why I take what's happening. It's such 679 00:46:18,930 --> 00:46:19,470 an offense, 680 00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:22,320 and it's against Martin Luther King's words. 681 00:46:23,730 --> 00:46:25,230 Just not a man of color of 682 00:46:25,229 --> 00:46:27,359 his skin, but on the content of his character. 683 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:33,060 His character. Yes. But in with in house. We judge people based 684 00:46:33,060 --> 00:46:37,290 solely on the color of their skin. Yeah, and it had they had 685 00:46:37,290 --> 00:46:42,390 the jump higher hurdles. As you're seeing here. I mean, the 686 00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:45,090 pre in the previous clip demand brought up the brown paper bag 687 00:46:45,090 --> 00:46:47,790 test. Yes. And this is this is a real 688 00:46:47,820 --> 00:46:50,280 I've heard of I've heard of the brown paper bag test. I've heard 689 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:51,450 of that. In 690 00:46:51,449 --> 00:46:54,299 South Africa. They had I believe what it's called the pencil 691 00:46:54,299 --> 00:47:00,419 test, not only a skin color, a big issue and um, and black 692 00:47:01,139 --> 00:47:07,949 people's and the black sphere or realm. hair texture. Yes is 693 00:47:07,949 --> 00:47:10,889 another thing. So in South Africa, they do what is called 694 00:47:10,889 --> 00:47:13,769 the pelsall test. If the pills could be placed into your hair, 695 00:47:13,769 --> 00:47:21,089 and it falls out that you pass. Oh, wow. So speaking of the 696 00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:24,749 brown paper bag test, Matthew knows Beyonce Father speaks on 697 00:47:24,749 --> 00:47:25,049 that. 698 00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:30,150 Fortunately, we had scrim just a little small black school, you 699 00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:33,810 know, larger schools screaming small black schools, or play 700 00:47:33,810 --> 00:47:39,090 them in an initial year season. And this coach at Fisk 701 00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:45,570 University whispered in my ear, because I play very well in the 702 00:47:45,570 --> 00:47:49,800 scrim is that if I ever wanted to go to Fisk University, to 703 00:47:49,830 --> 00:47:53,370 just call them and I remember that to transfer 704 00:47:53,370 --> 00:47:58,440 to Fiske transfer to Phys. But Fisk had the color, the brown 705 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,400 paper bag test brown paper bag tests, this is a real thing. 706 00:48:02,670 --> 00:48:07,170 Oh, absolutely. This is a known thing in a black community. I 707 00:48:07,170 --> 00:48:08,580 remember a bag test. 708 00:48:08,610 --> 00:48:12,690 I remember a zillion Banks was lightning or skin at one point. 709 00:48:13,170 --> 00:48:17,490 And she was talking about the brown paper bag test and how 710 00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,750 black guys respect to brown paper. A well known fact. I'd 711 00:48:21,750 --> 00:48:24,330 never heard of it until she said it. I didn't realize how far 712 00:48:24,330 --> 00:48:27,870 back it goes. Yeah. So they pulled out a brown paper bag 713 00:48:27,900 --> 00:48:33,240 know how I worked. This is I transferred in at 72. Okay, and 714 00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:37,830 how and it was the last class that they did the brown paper 715 00:48:37,830 --> 00:48:41,760 back and they will ask you for a photo you had to submit with 716 00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:46,590 your registration. And they would put the photo up against 717 00:48:46,590 --> 00:48:48,090 the brown paper bag. 718 00:48:48,180 --> 00:48:51,090 Okay, and Fisk was a was a black primarily black school 719 00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,580 who was all black 100% Black. So 720 00:48:53,580 --> 00:48:56,760 you have a 100% black schools that would not admit dark 721 00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,620 skinned people if they were not athletes. 722 00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:04,230 That's absolutely right. Or if they were women, and they had a 723 00:49:04,260 --> 00:49:09,480 very prominent families of very wealthy families that donated a 724 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,030 significant amount of money to the school. 725 00:49:13,860 --> 00:49:19,800 What's wrong with you black people Moe Wow, that's crazy. 726 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,930 When you go back to the origin of colorism and the difference 727 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:30,120 in the color, you see, it goes back to the house negro. And the 728 00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:31,050 field negro. 729 00:49:31,290 --> 00:49:32,460 And this. This was 730 00:49:32,489 --> 00:49:40,559 1972 1972 Wow. That's why we that's yes. We went for 1928 731 00:49:40,919 --> 00:49:45,719 tonight to 72 He said he was the last class. Oh, but did you 732 00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,149 catch at the end there? Yeah. Oh, if 733 00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:51,360 you had some money, then it was a different story. 734 00:49:51,449 --> 00:49:52,799 Does that sound familiar? 735 00:49:54,270 --> 00:49:57,690 Yeah, like every university known to man, 736 00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,750 but no in the recent interest Didn't news Yeah, 737 00:50:00,750 --> 00:50:04,650 of course we got the birdies who buy in a kid's way and of course 738 00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:12,600 you could do it with colorism too. Yes, so crazy yeah So out 739 00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,590 of all the things I listed in the eight previous shows that 740 00:50:16,590 --> 00:50:21,480 divide our people you top this was on top of it on the surface 741 00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,680 level I mean not No pun intended. But you know on 742 00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:31,650 clearly and it's it's not only there in 1972 By the 743 00:50:31,650 --> 00:50:37,590 way May I make a suggestion? Yes this is a different yet correct 744 00:50:37,590 --> 00:50:45,780 example of institutional racism Yes. Just want to put it out 745 00:50:45,780 --> 00:50:49,830 there. Haha, just as bad is just, you know, look at where 746 00:50:49,830 --> 00:50:52,350 it's happening that's that's phenomenal to learn. This 747 00:50:52,949 --> 00:50:56,999 is like I said, it's psychological. Because when you 748 00:50:56,999 --> 00:51:03,869 see you're going to hear how the effects of it even to this day, 749 00:51:03,899 --> 00:51:06,779 like Bill Duke said in the previous clip, he said You can 750 00:51:06,779 --> 00:51:11,909 go now online and look up team light skin, Hashtag team light 751 00:51:11,909 --> 00:51:15,209 skin, or team darts cannot and I challenge the people our 752 00:51:15,209 --> 00:51:19,439 listeners to do that. Just so you can see aspect and it's very 753 00:51:19,439 --> 00:51:24,929 hateful. It's so hateful actually, so hey, well so much 754 00:51:24,929 --> 00:51:29,399 so I would like to see them remove this is some kind of hate 755 00:51:29,399 --> 00:51:33,209 communication and I'm not one of the people you know, for 756 00:51:33,209 --> 00:51:37,169 removing communication but it that's what it is. And you can 757 00:51:37,169 --> 00:51:40,049 see it hit the road I mean, you see the rubber meet the road. 758 00:51:40,409 --> 00:51:43,829 And this net clear with the print family now background on 759 00:51:43,829 --> 00:51:47,939 the prints family. They are a YouTube couple and they 760 00:51:47,939 --> 00:51:53,399 basically document every moment of their life like lives on 761 00:51:53,399 --> 00:51:59,759 YouTube. Now the the ticker name is Bianca, Prince. She is very 762 00:51:59,759 --> 00:52:08,099 fair skin and she is the product of a biracial relationship, and 763 00:52:08,099 --> 00:52:15,779 the man is dark skin. But let's listen to her and accusations 764 00:52:15,779 --> 00:52:17,279 against her about being a colorist. 765 00:52:18,690 --> 00:52:20,670 For sure, for sure for sure 766 00:52:20,700 --> 00:52:24,570 the prints families video about the birth of their daughter was 767 00:52:24,570 --> 00:52:28,290 supposed to be a beautiful family moment. But after they 768 00:52:28,290 --> 00:52:32,220 posted it to YouTube, some commenters complained about how 769 00:52:32,220 --> 00:52:36,180 Mama was talking to her new baby who was 770 00:52:36,420 --> 00:52:40,560 born sorry. Light blue eyes. She 771 00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:45,090 did that pretty. Baby Nova Grace Prince was born last month. 772 00:52:45,180 --> 00:52:49,740 She's the third child of Bianca and Damien Prince. More than 3 773 00:52:49,740 --> 00:52:52,500 million people subscribe to their YouTube channel to 774 00:52:52,500 --> 00:52:56,430 experience all of the family's intimate moments. But some 775 00:52:56,430 --> 00:52:59,850 people who watch the video took issue with what they called 776 00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:04,530 Bianca's complaints about her daughter's eyes, as well as the 777 00:53:04,530 --> 00:53:07,290 parents comments about her skin colors. Yeah. 778 00:53:09,630 --> 00:53:14,880 So Bianca, she is giving birth to the child. I mean, this is a 779 00:53:14,910 --> 00:53:19,650 opera room an operating room but delivery room footage. You 780 00:53:19,650 --> 00:53:24,360 should have seen that the stain on her face. Because the baby 781 00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,420 didn't have blue eyes. She said I wanted her to have pretty 782 00:53:27,420 --> 00:53:33,420 eyes. She doesn't have pretty eyes. Now imagine being born to 783 00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:41,670 a mother like that. Straight out, pushed out. And the baby 784 00:53:41,700 --> 00:53:46,890 you hand the baby to the mother and she's like, Oh, like this is 785 00:53:46,890 --> 00:53:51,990 one time I wish to show this video. Because it made me mad 786 00:53:52,020 --> 00:53:56,520 now and then I don't really get triggered by anything. Yeah, 787 00:53:56,550 --> 00:54:00,690 pretty much. But just you're a child. This is supposed to be 788 00:54:00,690 --> 00:54:03,960 the most joy. You know, because you worry birth defects. No, no, 789 00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,630 those kinds of things. You take that sigh of relief. I went 790 00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:10,680 through it four times. And it's like everything's okay tamping 791 00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,230 your teen toes. You know, everything. Exactly. 792 00:54:13,260 --> 00:54:16,320 Kids breathing. Got ahead. Got ahead. Yeah, we got ahead. Yeah, 793 00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,260 it's good. It's good, too. And of course, you always your child 794 00:54:19,260 --> 00:54:21,420 is always the most beautiful thing in the world. I was 795 00:54:21,420 --> 00:54:23,700 supposed to be Oh, 796 00:54:23,729 --> 00:54:30,719 always but her you should. It was disgusting. The look on her 797 00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,749 face and the dads kind of like I know he's recording now that he 798 00:54:33,749 --> 00:54:38,489 hasn't meant to do the wet mental awareness. Like we're 799 00:54:38,489 --> 00:54:41,189 taping here. You know? I mean, do you understand how you he's 800 00:54:41,189 --> 00:54:42,419 like, yeah, the baby is pretty. 801 00:54:42,449 --> 00:54:46,889 I mean, even basically a reality show on YouTube, even if it's 802 00:54:46,889 --> 00:54:50,339 done in the I've done reality shows I had my own reality show. 803 00:54:50,339 --> 00:54:53,519 I know how they weren't. I mean, do people say all kinds of stuff 804 00:54:53,519 --> 00:54:56,189 that may not be what they exactly believe. Just like in 805 00:54:56,189 --> 00:55:00,419 real life, people make up crap all the time. Regardless This 806 00:55:00,479 --> 00:55:03,929 it's still incredibly weird for her to do that. And while the 807 00:55:03,929 --> 00:55:07,799 clip was playing I did indeed look up team light skinned Team 808 00:55:07,799 --> 00:55:09,689 Dark skin. It's quite a thing. 809 00:55:11,159 --> 00:55:15,749 Yes, it's quite an it's more leaning towards white male. 810 00:55:15,779 --> 00:55:16,079 Yeah. 811 00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:22,920 Oh no, it's all I see. 95% Female polo team dark skin seems 812 00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:27,990 to be a lot more male than female or more male than on Team 813 00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:28,710 light skin. 814 00:55:29,190 --> 00:55:35,430 Interestingly. Yes, so the I have a second clip of the prints 815 00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:38,880 family. If you would like to play that one. 816 00:55:39,179 --> 00:55:44,399 Oh, look at them. They look so cute, you guys. Yeah, you can 817 00:55:44,399 --> 00:55:49,529 see her nails do the current year. You see it is dark. 818 00:55:49,590 --> 00:55:53,250 Some comment or say the princess seemed disappointed in their new 819 00:55:53,250 --> 00:55:57,240 babies appearance and even went so far as to accuse them of 820 00:55:57,300 --> 00:56:01,110 colorism, which means to discriminate based on the color 821 00:56:01,110 --> 00:56:04,560 of skin. A lot of people was joining us on the 32nd clip that 822 00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,620 was posted on these other platforms. Bianca and Damian 823 00:56:07,620 --> 00:56:11,010 posted a response video clarifying their comments 824 00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:15,000 when I said I wish you had pretty eyes. I didn't literally 825 00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,670 mean she doesn't have pretty eyes. You don't say I didn't 826 00:56:17,670 --> 00:56:21,240 mean? Oh my gosh, my daughter has ugly eyes. When I say pretty 827 00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:25,680 eyes. I meant the term of green eyes. Have you ever got a 828 00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,650 compliment about your eyes? It's almost like colors. I wouldn't 829 00:56:28,650 --> 00:56:36,030 even like black people at all. You got a choice? No, no. So 830 00:56:36,030 --> 00:56:39,840 this, like I said, my daughter was ugly. They went on 831 00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,600 to insist they are loving parents to all of their 832 00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,840 children. Despite the controversy, the princes say 833 00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:49,590 they're not taking the video down, which for them will always 834 00:56:49,590 --> 00:56:52,470 be about one of the best days of their lives. 835 00:56:53,250 --> 00:56:58,500 Okay. So as I said before, the husband in this situation or the 836 00:56:58,500 --> 00:57:02,520 father in this situation is dark brown skin. And she made the 837 00:57:02,550 --> 00:57:07,350 point she said if I didn't like dark skinned people, I wouldn't. 838 00:57:08,190 --> 00:57:14,580 Yeah. But this is where we go. Black men don't struggle with 839 00:57:14,580 --> 00:57:20,520 colorism as the way females do. I would like to see if this 840 00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:25,410 child was male, I would assume it's just my assumption. Her 841 00:57:25,410 --> 00:57:27,870 reaction would have been different because it's a little 842 00:57:27,870 --> 00:57:33,030 bit more acceptable. I'm way more acceptable that black dark 843 00:57:33,030 --> 00:57:36,810 males are are attractive to me. Like I go back to the statement 844 00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,630 tall, dark and handsome, tall, dark and handsome. Well, I 845 00:57:39,630 --> 00:57:43,740 think the fashion industry has a big role in this not just 846 00:57:43,740 --> 00:57:48,900 fashion but fashion media. What is considered beautiful is it 847 00:57:48,900 --> 00:57:51,660 we're seeing it changed before our very eyes by the way, 848 00:57:52,050 --> 00:57:56,130 curvier. Bigger woman, bigger women are now considered 849 00:57:56,130 --> 00:58:00,450 beautiful. I'm not saying they're not. But we came a long 850 00:58:00,450 --> 00:58:03,090 way since the Twiggy days if anyone would that's I know it's 851 00:58:03,090 --> 00:58:06,870 a show on my age here. But just go back to the models on the 852 00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:10,530 runway in the 80s, who had the heroin chic, you know, 853 00:58:10,530 --> 00:58:14,400 completely falling down. I'm so skinny look. And if you go back 854 00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,400 in history, we have Rubens Rubenesque women who are very 855 00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,460 similar to what is considered beautiful fashionably beautiful 856 00:58:20,460 --> 00:58:24,240 today. So it's, I always feel bad for women in general, the 857 00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:29,910 way the culture treats them based upon how they look or how 858 00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:31,500 they can make themselves look. 859 00:58:32,100 --> 00:58:35,610 And that's the power advertisement working in a 860 00:58:35,610 --> 00:58:40,950 negative way as it doesn't does frequently what they put they 861 00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:45,000 paint the picture, but we see this, and I'm not gonna go too 862 00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:48,600 far this tangent, but we see this with men. Short, man. 863 00:58:48,630 --> 00:58:51,930 Yeah, yeah. Tall, dark, handsome. Short, don't doubt. 864 00:58:51,930 --> 00:58:52,950 Yeah, that's right. Right. 865 00:58:53,969 --> 00:58:58,289 So nobody wants to short son. Nobody. 866 00:58:59,009 --> 00:59:02,249 Or Kevin Hart. Man, Kevin Hart got a real bum deal, didn't he? 867 00:59:03,029 --> 00:59:06,629 Yeah, he's short and really black. Oh, gosh, but it works 868 00:59:06,629 --> 00:59:09,809 for him. It does. Of course. What I'm saying 869 00:59:09,810 --> 00:59:14,790 is he turn that he has a character that he plays called 870 00:59:14,790 --> 00:59:19,230 Chocolate draw, which is weird. But yeah. So like I said, we 871 00:59:19,230 --> 00:59:21,510 don't struggle. Black men don't struggle with this as much as 872 00:59:21,510 --> 00:59:28,320 women do. Um, and these things, as Matthew Knowles stated, as we 873 00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:31,830 seen with the prince family, they have real world 874 00:59:32,430 --> 00:59:38,130 implications, where it has a real effect on particularly 875 00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:44,490 women psyche. So a Vanya Van Zandt, that's she's on the own 876 00:59:44,490 --> 00:59:48,630 network. And she she was brought up by Oprah. She had this talk 877 00:59:48,630 --> 00:59:54,330 about colorism. Let's hear colorism dark talk about as a 878 00:59:54,330 --> 00:59:55,230 coffee girl, 879 00:59:55,830 --> 01:00:00,450 what you've experienced personally in the world and From 880 01:00:00,450 --> 01:00:02,940 your lighter skin systems, 881 01:00:03,210 --> 01:00:07,590 I always felt some type of inferiority. didn't feel like I 882 01:00:07,590 --> 01:00:10,410 was good enough. I just didn't feel like I added up and 883 01:00:10,410 --> 01:00:14,880 especially growing up in the South, you know, the boys would 884 01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:21,090 always like light skinned girl with the good hair. And so I 885 01:00:21,090 --> 01:00:26,730 didn't feel like I had enough to get the cute guy. And until I 886 01:00:26,730 --> 01:00:29,160 believed that I was just that dope, because I just know I am 887 01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:35,040 now. It just it festered in me for quite some time. And how did 888 01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,950 it come out? It came out in a lack of think and a lack of self 889 01:00:37,950 --> 01:00:43,320 esteem. Probably more so than not just feeling inadequate, 890 01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:45,630 really feeling inadequate. 891 01:00:48,420 --> 01:00:51,570 So you can see how it plays on people's psyches. 892 01:00:51,630 --> 01:00:56,250 Yeah. An additional data point in there, which I've heard. I 893 01:00:56,250 --> 01:00:59,370 think the first time I heard it was Arsenio Hall said like 894 01:00:59,370 --> 01:01:00,360 Oprah, Oprah has 895 01:01:00,510 --> 01:01:05,880 the good hair. Yeah, and that's what I was speaking about before 896 01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:09,840 it, not only is it skin color is hair texture, where straight 897 01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:17,310 hair or wavy, wavy, straight hair? Well, anything not nappy 898 01:01:17,370 --> 01:01:20,340 is considered what they call nappy in SL, where you have the 899 01:01:20,340 --> 01:01:27,450 tightly curl hair is considered a bad hair. I didn't really dive 900 01:01:27,450 --> 01:01:30,180 into that, because I'm not I don't want that kind of smoke. 901 01:01:35,219 --> 01:01:39,809 Not going there because that the hair thing is a hole. That is a 902 01:01:39,809 --> 01:01:40,649 third rail. 903 01:01:42,210 --> 01:01:46,080 You don't Yeah, black men don't talk about the hair thing. 904 01:01:46,170 --> 01:01:48,450 Anywhere where a black woman could hear it is that what I'm 905 01:01:48,450 --> 01:01:49,410 understanding from you know, 906 01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:53,700 what I'm saying is you can't win. But no, you can't Oh, so I 907 01:01:53,700 --> 01:01:57,270 don't I don't pick fights. I can't win. Go. But on the 908 01:01:57,270 --> 01:02:05,100 inverse. On the inverse of the dark, precede problems. light 909 01:02:05,100 --> 01:02:06,780 skinned women have problems too. 910 01:02:07,290 --> 01:02:12,090 What's been your experience? I was always told, you know, 911 01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:17,760 you're the milkman, baby or, you know, you you can't be my 912 01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,610 friend, you know, because the guys are gonna like you more 913 01:02:20,610 --> 01:02:24,120 than me. And so you know, you can't be my friend. So I felt 914 01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:29,400 like an outcast and I would get in fights literally, with brown 915 01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:33,450 skinned girls that I never even knew their names. And my dad had 916 01:02:33,450 --> 01:02:37,470 to teach me how to fight because I got picked on so much. Even 917 01:02:37,470 --> 01:02:41,040 one time when I was in the ninth grade. I had a girl come up and 918 01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:44,880 cut my hair all the way up to here. A chunk out of my hair. 919 01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:51,300 Brown Skin girl passage. Thank you cute because you got long 920 01:02:51,300 --> 01:02:55,380 hair. How do you feel now? So I cut it all off and Iraq was 921 01:02:55,470 --> 01:02:58,170 short. It was curly and then it's so you think you're cute 922 01:02:58,170 --> 01:03:01,950 because you got curly hair? You know, so I was constantly 923 01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,820 fighting. So you know, I found the light skinned girl being my 924 01:03:05,820 --> 01:03:08,100 friend and that's who my friend was. 925 01:03:10,860 --> 01:03:15,120 You know? I when I saw an article the other day I didn't 926 01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:18,690 send it to you. This happened to a black girl in Northern 927 01:03:18,690 --> 01:03:20,520 Virginia your neck of the woods just recently. 928 01:03:20,850 --> 01:03:26,280 I saw on the local news. Yeah, that was she had dreads but I 929 01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:30,810 think that was a more of a bullying case okay more than 930 01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:34,080 self inflict what I mean by self inflicted afflicted by another 931 01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:38,490 black black person. Okay, gotcha but what I want to say here is 932 01:03:38,490 --> 01:03:42,060 you can see the pitting of these two people against each other 933 01:03:42,090 --> 01:03:50,430 sure it's a push in a pool so you can't win you can't you know 934 01:03:50,430 --> 01:03:58,470 because it goes back to the to the house Negro feel Negro the 935 01:03:58,470 --> 01:04:01,590 other looking on the other side the grass is always greener Well 936 01:04:01,590 --> 01:04:01,680 of 937 01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:09,120 course it is there in Is there a commonly accepted celebrity who 938 01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:15,930 has the quote perfect skin tone as in like brown paper bag 939 01:04:15,929 --> 01:04:23,549 perfect would I say has been the safest 940 01:04:23,610 --> 01:04:27,630 NO NO NO NO like the perfect the most this oh this this person 941 01:04:27,630 --> 01:04:31,080 has exactly the right amount the right shade the right tone is 942 01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:37,080 anyone that both sides except universally. Brock Obama Thank 943 01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:38,910 you beautiful Okay, gotcha 944 01:04:39,509 --> 01:04:46,589 because he wasn't seeing as light scan but he wasn't seeing 945 01:04:46,589 --> 01:04:51,419 as you know as dark skin I mean he was actually not think about 946 01:04:51,419 --> 01:04:57,569 it. He's probably is the color of a brown paper bag. Which I 947 01:04:57,569 --> 01:05:02,969 wonder no Calculating he is I wonder if his ball plan but 948 01:05:02,999 --> 01:05:04,229 that's fantastic. Okay, 949 01:05:04,260 --> 01:05:05,430 what did you answer the question? 950 01:05:05,460 --> 01:05:09,960 I had to think if I had to think yeah, um, but because I'll be 951 01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:15,330 honest with you, it's in Hollywood. The LIDAR scan works 952 01:05:15,330 --> 01:05:21,360 for you oh for hell because he Well, it works for you up to a 953 01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:24,720 period. When you're younger it works for you because you get 954 01:05:24,750 --> 01:05:31,140 all the six symbol roles. But as you see in Halle Berry 955 01:05:31,140 --> 01:05:31,860 disappeared, 956 01:05:32,610 --> 01:05:34,170 we have assorted Wesley Snipes. 957 01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:39,240 Well, what I mean is you can't play that. You don't really get 958 01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:40,350 those motherly roles, 959 01:05:40,380 --> 01:05:43,230 right? Because he's two lights because he's very light skinned. 960 01:05:43,230 --> 01:05:45,690 Since he's too light skinned. She can't really she isn't 961 01:05:45,690 --> 01:05:48,000 doesn't he's not passable? Was that what do we say then? In 962 01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:49,200 that case, in an older role, 963 01:05:49,199 --> 01:05:52,559 what I'm saying is, she doesn't have that. Well, we want the 964 01:05:52,559 --> 01:05:56,099 motherly role. And I'm just going to Hollywood casting hat 965 01:05:56,129 --> 01:05:59,579 on. You want the you know, the mother roll, you want the you 966 01:05:59,579 --> 01:06:05,339 know, the darker skin? Look at any movie, the black mother is 967 01:06:05,339 --> 01:06:06,839 typically dark, darker than 968 01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:09,210 the child. Wow. Okay. Yes, gotcha. 969 01:06:11,550 --> 01:06:18,570 So, in the previous clips, we heard a term called passing. And 970 01:06:18,570 --> 01:06:22,770 you even mentioned that you heard this and in the trans 971 01:06:23,130 --> 01:06:29,160 community. Sure. So passing is when you're probably at the 1/8 972 01:06:29,730 --> 01:06:34,890 to 116, maybe even 1/4. As I said before, Megan Markel child 973 01:06:36,060 --> 01:06:40,170 is probably going to look pretty much white. And if you didn't 974 01:06:40,170 --> 01:06:46,110 know his mother, he could pass you know, he could, he could 975 01:06:46,110 --> 01:06:50,970 work his way into why society. So I'll recover this on the 976 01:06:50,970 --> 01:06:52,140 pressures of passing 977 01:06:52,350 --> 01:06:55,980 and certainly the whole passing thing that's a whole nother as a 978 01:06:55,980 --> 01:06:58,770 whole nother subject the passing thing, but you know, the thing 979 01:06:58,770 --> 01:07:02,010 about passing for those who did pass and Lita was saying this 980 01:07:02,010 --> 01:07:06,900 for and her family once you pass the decision to pass beans, 981 01:07:06,900 --> 01:07:10,530 you've given up your whole entire family, you know, that 982 01:07:10,530 --> 01:07:13,920 you can never go back because y'all understand that right? 983 01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,500 Because if you're passing you just can't have your black 984 01:07:16,500 --> 01:07:24,330 mother show up. You just cannot explain for black women in your 985 01:07:24,330 --> 01:07:24,810 kitchen 986 01:07:27,570 --> 01:07:30,300 that's old Oprah because I can tell she has a very It must have 987 01:07:30,300 --> 01:07:31,500 been a long time ago that clip 988 01:07:31,530 --> 01:07:34,470 Yeah, that was an older show. And the case in point. Oh 989 01:07:34,470 --> 01:07:42,630 passing is Miss Megan Markel. If you didn't know. And I covered 990 01:07:42,630 --> 01:07:46,440 this on a previous YouTube video but if you didn't know her 991 01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:51,660 background, you wouldn't know she was part black. 992 01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,840 No, the Brits still haven't figured it out if they actually 993 01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:56,250 knew they'd be up in arms Moe 994 01:07:56,820 --> 01:08:04,350 well, well well. I think that is proper Ganden. And his push for 995 01:08:04,350 --> 01:08:09,570 the for the thesis statement of this show once I get there that 996 01:08:09,570 --> 01:08:16,740 she is one one. Are you telling me here? Oh one Harry is not a 997 01:08:16,740 --> 01:08:19,950 roll by blood. So don't really give reference what he did 998 01:08:19,950 --> 01:08:20,160 right. 999 01:08:20,190 --> 01:08:24,060 We know he was stable boys. Kid. redheaded stepchild 1000 01:08:24,180 --> 01:08:28,110 literally Hello. It's obvious. Yeah, yeah. So I think they said 1001 01:08:28,110 --> 01:08:31,500 what can we use him good for? Well, they can use him 1002 01:08:33,090 --> 01:08:36,870 he can't be on the can't be on the throne. What can we do with 1003 01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:38,400 this mongral Oh, 1004 01:08:39,020 --> 01:08:43,550 resignedly. We can use him for propaganda because you know, you 1005 01:08:43,550 --> 01:08:52,280 are England is darkening by the minute. So they're using him to 1006 01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:57,110 push that agenda. And if people want further detail, go go to 1007 01:08:58,190 --> 01:09:01,520 Shameless Plug GO TO MoeFactz.com or Moe Factz 1008 01:09:01,970 --> 01:09:02,420 YouTube. 1009 01:09:02,430 --> 01:09:04,800 YouTube video on that. Sure. Yeah. 1010 01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:10,890 So and to show that they played her black side up. That's why 1011 01:09:10,890 --> 01:09:12,810 her father wasn't allowed to be 1012 01:09:13,169 --> 01:09:16,349 winning. We cannot that's like Oprah saying you can't have your 1013 01:09:16,529 --> 01:09:19,709 your really black mother show up. Yeah. 1014 01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:23,340 Can't have the white guy walking the black princess down the 1015 01:09:23,340 --> 01:09:30,120 aisle. That's bad for optics. Yeah. So I think she ain't a you 1016 01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:34,080 know what? I watched the show suits that she was on. I was 1017 01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:38,700 like, she was she she's racially ambiguous. I was like, I see 1018 01:09:38,700 --> 01:09:41,640 Latina and she you know, I couldn't really put my finger on 1019 01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:45,480 it. I know. She wasn't completely white, but I couldn't 1020 01:09:45,480 --> 01:09:50,550 you know, but then I was at all okay. But in the show. They push 1021 01:09:50,550 --> 01:09:54,720 the agenda. Her father was black in the show. So got it. Well, I 1022 01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:59,790 didn't know what she had going on with her. So Oprah continues 1023 01:09:59,820 --> 01:10:02,460 on On passing with Oprah to 1024 01:10:02,700 --> 01:10:04,980 well, you know, I experienced this early when I, you know, I 1025 01:10:04,980 --> 01:10:09,030 was shifted from one parent to the other. And I came to live in 1026 01:10:09,030 --> 01:10:14,400 Milwaukee with my mother, who was rooming with a lady. And my 1027 01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:18,000 mother has another daughter. So I have a half sister who was 1028 01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:21,780 light skinned and younger than I. And they were allowed to stay 1029 01:10:22,170 --> 01:10:26,130 inside the house. And I was forced to sleep outside in the 1030 01:10:26,130 --> 01:10:29,640 hallway, because I was the brown skinned person. And you know, 1031 01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:32,490 and my, you know, my mother did it just because otherwise we'd 1032 01:10:32,490 --> 01:10:37,440 have no place to sleep. But the place was owned by white, not 1033 01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:41,190 white, but I thought she was white, Ms. Miller, who also 1034 01:10:41,190 --> 01:10:44,370 passed and just didn't want the brown skinned child in her 1035 01:10:44,370 --> 01:10:48,810 house. It's just really racism passed on to ourselves. That's 1036 01:10:48,810 --> 01:10:51,120 what it really is. And a very strong way. 1037 01:10:51,330 --> 01:10:53,340 Very nice. Oh percent right there. 1038 01:10:54,060 --> 01:10:59,430 Amen. She laid it out perfectly. And Miss Miller had to if you're 1039 01:10:59,430 --> 01:11:03,090 gonna play the role, you're saying you got to play it all 1040 01:11:03,090 --> 01:11:06,540 away? Yeah, it can't have the black cat, a black kid sleeping 1041 01:11:06,540 --> 01:11:11,700 in the house, if you're going to pass with a white woman, so I 1042 01:11:11,700 --> 01:11:16,590 have this interesting book is called our kind of people is 1043 01:11:16,590 --> 01:11:20,190 written by Lawrence oldest Graham. And in one of the 1044 01:11:20,190 --> 01:11:27,390 chapters in it is called passing for white, when the brown paper 1045 01:11:27,390 --> 01:11:33,030 bag test isn't enough. So this book is about basically, the 1046 01:11:33,030 --> 01:11:37,110 black elite in America says inside America's black upper 1047 01:11:37,110 --> 01:11:42,900 class, and he gives you 17 ways to pass. 1048 01:11:44,220 --> 01:11:46,980 All right, are we gonna do the list? Yeah, 1049 01:11:46,980 --> 01:11:50,880 what would I do? So I'll start off with five you tell me if you 1050 01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:51,990 want to keep going. All right. 1051 01:11:51,990 --> 01:11:54,930 I love these tests. So yeah, let's go. Okay. All right. 1052 01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:56,070 Number one, 1053 01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:59,040 passing will be eat and we got to understand this is talking 1054 01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:04,680 about an older our older times. But passing will be easier if 1055 01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:08,880 you attempt it well away at college, preferably on a campus 1056 01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:13,140 with which that is predominantly white, and is located in a small 1057 01:12:13,140 --> 01:12:16,620 rural town. That's number one, and they want to pass. All 1058 01:12:16,620 --> 01:12:20,010 right. You want to go to university white university in a 1059 01:12:20,010 --> 01:12:22,920 small town. All right. All right. Right. We've taken notes. 1060 01:12:22,980 --> 01:12:25,380 Yeah, of course. I'm taking I got it in an outline. Are you 1061 01:12:25,380 --> 01:12:26,100 kidding? Okay. 1062 01:12:27,150 --> 01:12:30,780 Number two, change your last name to one that is not 1063 01:12:30,780 --> 01:12:33,060 associated with black family names? 1064 01:12:33,210 --> 01:12:36,780 It will I guess I got a problem there. Do you know do you know 1065 01:12:36,780 --> 01:12:39,300 that when I when I don't use it anymore, but when I first 1066 01:12:39,300 --> 01:12:43,440 started using Uber, I didn't have a profile picture in 1067 01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:49,800 Austin, Texas. And my cars will get canceled regularly, not all 1068 01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:52,800 the time, but regularly. I'm like, What the hell was going 1069 01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:56,010 on? Why did the ditch cancel? And then I put my picture in 1070 01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:58,350 never had it happened again, because curry 1071 01:12:58,470 --> 01:13:02,610 is a black name. Like Steph Curry. Yes. 1072 01:13:02,790 --> 01:13:04,380 That's my brother from another mother who 1073 01:13:04,950 --> 01:13:12,540 names not to us. Yeah, curry, Jones, Jackson Johnson, William 1074 01:13:12,660 --> 01:13:18,120 Thomas. And Brown. Right. Oh, okay. Number three, recreate 1075 01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:21,930 your family tree by describing yourself as the only child born 1076 01:13:21,930 --> 01:13:25,350 to a born a parent who died years ago. Oh, God, who were all 1077 01:13:25,380 --> 01:13:29,160 who were all who were also only children. Okay, all right, 1078 01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:33,210 number four, relocate to a new community that insulates you for 1079 01:13:33,210 --> 01:13:37,500 interacting with blacks. And that is at least a few 100 miles 1080 01:13:37,530 --> 01:13:40,740 away from your family's home. And number five, I'm gonna stop 1081 01:13:40,740 --> 01:13:47,220 at five. Number five is think think some of us think of some 1082 01:13:47,220 --> 01:13:51,360 manner in which to kill off, kill yourself, kill yourself off 1083 01:13:51,660 --> 01:13:55,560 in the minds of black people who know and who know you and your 1084 01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:58,380 family. If your parents or siblings are willing to 1085 01:13:58,380 --> 01:14:01,890 participate in assisting you. They can say that you are now 1086 01:14:01,890 --> 01:14:05,550 living outside the country that you have ended up cult or 1087 01:14:05,550 --> 01:14:08,220 religious ordered, or even that you have died. 1088 01:14:08,820 --> 01:14:12,990 Well, this is this is this is very sad advice. Obviously. This 1089 01:14:12,990 --> 01:14:17,790 is sad, though. So if that's for people out there who would like 1090 01:14:17,790 --> 01:14:22,350 to pass and if you want to find other 12 Go read our kinds of 1091 01:14:22,350 --> 01:14:27,090 people by Lawrence Otis Graham. But I do have some background, 1092 01:14:27,420 --> 01:14:32,910 background and clip just to give you a metaphor perspective of 1093 01:14:32,910 --> 01:14:37,980 Mr. Otis, Mr. Lawrence Otis Graham, as he has the talk, but 1094 01:14:37,980 --> 01:14:39,120 the talk goes wrong 1095 01:14:39,630 --> 01:14:43,230 in certain ways by making sure that we're wearing clothes that 1096 01:14:43,230 --> 01:14:46,350 are not ones that suggests that we are part of the criminal 1097 01:14:46,350 --> 01:14:49,620 element as people would say it's no hoodies, it's no dark 1098 01:14:49,620 --> 01:14:53,070 clothes. My boys know that they've got to be khaki pants. 1099 01:14:53,130 --> 01:14:56,550 We don't do sweatshirts with words and names on them. This is 1100 01:14:56,550 --> 01:14:59,910 really casual for them. They don't do the t shirt thing and 1101 01:14:59,910 --> 01:15:02,550 when When it comes to jackets, raincoats, it's this is the only 1102 01:15:02,550 --> 01:15:06,120 time you're gonna see a hood in our houses on a raincoat or 1103 01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:10,470 winter jacket. It's no colored high tops. It's it's loafers. 1104 01:15:10,470 --> 01:15:13,950 It's white tennis sneakers, it's not carrying anything in your 1105 01:15:13,950 --> 01:15:18,840 hand, after sundown that can be misconstrued as a weapon. It's 1106 01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:21,810 also making sure that when they go to stores, they get receipts 1107 01:15:21,810 --> 01:15:25,410 that they walk in, they make eye contact and nod and smile to the 1108 01:15:25,410 --> 01:15:28,950 shop owner. They make sure that there's their bags are zipped 1109 01:15:28,950 --> 01:15:32,640 and left in the car or outside the store. It's also making sure 1110 01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:35,520 that they never run within the presence of a police officer 1111 01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:38,490 unless it's very apparent that they are dressed for jogging. 1112 01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:42,420 They don't go out after sundown. My younger son said you're 1113 01:15:42,420 --> 01:15:45,960 taking the fun out of being a black kid, but it just knows 1114 01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:49,050 it's necessary. And once again, it's not because we're trying to 1115 01:15:49,050 --> 01:15:52,440 make them white. It's just the whole issue of we don't want 1116 01:15:52,440 --> 01:15:53,730 them to be profiled. 1117 01:15:56,430 --> 01:16:03,660 So that's a myth, a peek inside the mental state of Mr. Lawrence 1118 01:16:03,690 --> 01:16:08,670 outers gram. And he is boot he is Boulais of all blue light he 1119 01:16:08,670 --> 01:16:15,240 wrote the book on basically, of have basically, 1120 01:16:15,630 --> 01:16:19,230 inside America's black upper upper class, I think is the book 1121 01:16:19,230 --> 01:16:20,190 you're referring to. Yes, 1122 01:16:20,220 --> 01:16:23,580 yes. And there's chapters in there such as just a list of the 1123 01:16:23,580 --> 01:16:27,750 chapters and just to go down just the origins of the black 1124 01:16:27,780 --> 01:16:32,250 upper class Jack and Judas which is where the elite black kids 1125 01:16:32,250 --> 01:16:35,220 are separated from the rest and you got chapter three black 1126 01:16:35,250 --> 01:16:38,640 child experience. The right coalition camps in private 1127 01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:39,540 schools. Sounds 1128 01:16:39,540 --> 01:16:41,430 like a fun vacation read. 1129 01:16:42,330 --> 01:16:46,320 Chapter Four is interesting. Howard, Spellman Morehouse three 1130 01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:49,800 colleges that count. Okay, we heard about Howard Yeah. 1131 01:16:51,660 --> 01:16:55,980 Spelman, okay. Do you know spell it looks up? Do you know who 1132 01:16:55,980 --> 01:17:01,140 Spelman was named after? I do not Rockefellers wife. That was 1133 01:17:01,140 --> 01:17:01,410 her. 1134 01:17:02,730 --> 01:17:03,540 Oh, of course. 1135 01:17:04,020 --> 01:17:06,660 And Morehouse was named after a white man as well. And these are 1136 01:17:06,660 --> 01:17:09,360 supposed to be black universities black university 1137 01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:12,660 shirt, but what we do is, I'm saying this to say yes, they are 1138 01:17:12,660 --> 01:17:18,330 proud found institutes of higher learning. But we also have to 1139 01:17:18,330 --> 01:17:19,290 look and see, you know, 1140 01:17:19,950 --> 01:17:20,640 where they come with 1141 01:17:21,900 --> 01:17:26,340 the five, the right fraternities and sororities. So, previous 1142 01:17:26,340 --> 01:17:28,410 knowledge of what we covered in the show, you see where this 1143 01:17:28,410 --> 01:17:35,550 book is headed? Um, okay. So Mr. Lawrence said in his clip, 1144 01:17:35,580 --> 01:17:41,070 they're not trying to make their children white. But I know you 1145 01:17:41,070 --> 01:17:43,170 everybody's asking them Where's Moe going on with this? He 1146 01:17:43,170 --> 01:17:45,960 started off with mixed where I mean, now he's went down 1147 01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:51,720 colorism and you know, the black elite and all this, okay. Just 1148 01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:56,160 to let you know, at one time, the black elite say okay, we 1149 01:17:56,160 --> 01:18:00,030 were one dropped in. So we got to make the best of it. So what 1150 01:18:00,030 --> 01:18:06,990 we'll do is create our own class our own subculture of based off 1151 01:18:06,990 --> 01:18:12,450 of color, or, or, as they stayed in noun Matheno. Club. If you 1152 01:18:12,450 --> 01:18:17,160 are extremely wealthy, you could buy your way to the club. But 1153 01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:22,470 when they sent their kids off, to these Ivy League schools can 1154 01:18:22,470 --> 01:18:25,470 watch the integration happen. The kids started to go to Ivy 1155 01:18:25,470 --> 01:18:28,560 League schools, they start to meet people and dating 1156 01:18:28,590 --> 01:18:33,240 interracially became more acceptable. The Boulais made a 1157 01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:37,140 pivot, and this is by Mr. Lawrence, Mr. Otis Norris oldest 1158 01:18:37,140 --> 01:18:37,530 gram 1159 01:18:37,650 --> 01:18:40,710 talking about you've had a whole change of heart, what in the 1160 01:18:40,710 --> 01:18:41,610 world has happened? 1161 01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:44,760 Well, one thing that happened Rwanda is I started to realize 1162 01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:48,960 that a lot of people make these personal decisions, that we 1163 01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:51,870 should not always hold them accountable to making political 1164 01:18:51,870 --> 01:18:55,170 decisions. When someone decides for a long time, I was opposed 1165 01:18:55,170 --> 01:18:58,440 to the whole notion of black folks even dating outside or 1166 01:18:58,440 --> 01:19:00,750 marrying outside of the black race, because I said, if you 1167 01:19:00,750 --> 01:19:04,950 want to demonstrate your pride and our people, you have to give 1168 01:19:04,950 --> 01:19:08,010 something back to the community. The problem of that is that's 1169 01:19:08,010 --> 01:19:10,950 not too far from really making the same argument that whites 1170 01:19:10,950 --> 01:19:14,850 were making in the 1940s. They were called bigots. So the 1171 01:19:14,850 --> 01:19:18,330 problem here and certainly Pamela knows, with coming from 1172 01:19:18,330 --> 01:19:21,480 mixed parentage, that when someone makes takes the leap of 1173 01:19:21,480 --> 01:19:24,330 faith to say, well, I'm going to marry outside my race, but yet 1174 01:19:24,330 --> 01:19:27,540 at the same time, it's possible for me to hold on to my own 1175 01:19:27,540 --> 01:19:30,450 identity, I can give back to my black people to the black 1176 01:19:30,450 --> 01:19:33,660 community. I made the decision to marry a black woman because 1177 01:19:33,750 --> 01:19:36,600 at that time, I never even considered dating a white woman 1178 01:19:36,630 --> 01:19:38,070 for political reasons. 1179 01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:46,950 Whoa. Does that sound familiar? Barack Obama. Ah, so people 1180 01:19:46,950 --> 01:19:50,760 marry black for political reasons. I mean, that's not 1181 01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:55,170 anything new to most our listeners. But that is a I left 1182 01:19:55,170 --> 01:19:58,620 that in there as a conscious decision. But you can hear him 1183 01:19:58,620 --> 01:20:03,240 say Ah, He, at one time, he said that black, he believed black 1184 01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:06,240 people should marry black people. And as a side note, I 1185 01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:12,360 will say this, I believe that I believe, for one, you can marry 1186 01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:14,970 who you want to, cuz I don't care. I mean, that's what 1187 01:20:14,970 --> 01:20:18,330 they're I don't care what people do in their love lives or their 1188 01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:24,420 or their sexual laws, this None None of my business. But if you 1189 01:20:24,420 --> 01:20:28,110 understand, and this is where this clip is going and this 1190 01:20:28,110 --> 01:20:36,480 whole show is going we're only 13% of the population. If we 1191 01:20:36,510 --> 01:20:42,000 don't make a conscious effort to maintain our race, I think it 1192 01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:45,030 won't exist anymore. Well, the real concern of mine 1193 01:20:45,030 --> 01:20:47,370 and this is this is where I thought you were probably taking 1194 01:20:47,370 --> 01:20:50,850 this and I think it's gonna turn out to be right is what is 1195 01:20:50,850 --> 01:20:56,880 happening. intentional or not, but I think you're showing us is 1196 01:20:56,910 --> 01:21:01,980 there is intent is to effectively remove the black 1197 01:21:01,980 --> 01:21:02,640 race. 1198 01:21:04,860 --> 01:21:07,710 And here's the thing, I think that they're going to remove all 1199 01:21:07,710 --> 01:21:08,880 I think they're trying to remove all 1200 01:21:09,210 --> 01:21:12,090 black and white. I totally agree limb everybody Brown. Yeah, 1201 01:21:12,090 --> 01:21:12,510 sure. 1202 01:21:12,570 --> 01:21:16,740 But as I've stated on this show many times before, all problems, 1203 01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:21,810 the problems that hit everybody hit us first. It hit us hardest. 1204 01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:25,290 We know what's crazy. Moe Yes. So you just said something, 1205 01:21:25,290 --> 01:21:29,430 which doesn't shock me because I know you as Moe and I have the 1206 01:21:29,430 --> 01:21:33,000 same I think we have very similar values. You say I think 1207 01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:36,450 that black people should marry black people. If I said I think 1208 01:21:36,450 --> 01:21:39,090 white people should marry white people, the fucking sirens will 1209 01:21:39,090 --> 01:21:42,810 be going off outside the house. Not with me. No. 1210 01:21:45,180 --> 01:21:49,230 It's for the reasoning. Now, let me explain to you why. I'm a 1211 01:21:49,230 --> 01:21:55,050 vain person. I like my genetics. I want to pass those genetics 1212 01:21:55,050 --> 01:21:59,370 down to my grandkids wishes. 1213 01:22:00,690 --> 01:22:02,640 It's your prerogative. Hell yeah. 1214 01:22:03,090 --> 01:22:07,560 It's not out of all you know, your you know, your look at 1215 01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:09,480 whatever you diluted my stock or he was 1216 01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:15,570 the same as the royal families all around Europe. They marry 1217 01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:20,760 other Royals, you know, to this was the problem with Lady Diana, 1218 01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:24,900 she was a commoner. You know, she was she wasn't a blueblood 1219 01:22:24,900 --> 01:22:29,040 like HorseFace. Camilla, sorry. I know. That was rude. I can't 1220 01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:34,290 help myself. You know, this is not an uncommon thing for fam in 1221 01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:41,430 India has this of course. Pakistan, very oriented towards 1222 01:22:42,750 --> 01:22:47,430 continuing a bloodline or having the right families congregate 1223 01:22:47,430 --> 01:22:50,940 together. So it's actually it's not an abnormal thing at all. 1224 01:22:52,740 --> 01:22:58,080 And like I said, do I want my kids to procreate with 1225 01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:02,070 intelligent people? Yes. Do I want my kids did it? You know, 1226 01:23:02,490 --> 01:23:07,290 I'll preferably. Let's just be vain here. taller people. Yes. 1227 01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:07,650 Okay. But 1228 01:23:07,890 --> 01:23:10,260 one other thing, just what I'm talking about, because I love 1229 01:23:10,260 --> 01:23:13,530 the parallels. I'm just giving you my perspective. In the 1230 01:23:13,530 --> 01:23:18,570 United States, for sure. If you say, I'm a white man, I'm a 1231 01:23:18,570 --> 01:23:22,560 straight man or whatever. I don't date trans women. You're 1232 01:23:22,590 --> 01:23:29,160 automatically a transphobic. I think I caught something here, 1233 01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:32,400 didn't I? Yes. All right, I'll back up. Continue. 1234 01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:36,900 Okay. Okay. So now we're moving forward. And we see that the 1235 01:23:36,900 --> 01:23:40,170 Boulais made a pivot to be upsetting because the Boulais 1236 01:23:41,250 --> 01:23:45,270 basically outline where black people are headed. And they were 1237 01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:49,320 pro blacks betting within the race and as you can see in their 1238 01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:54,420 in their, in their inner community, dating lighter, 1239 01:23:54,660 --> 01:23:57,750 marrying lighter, you know, to make your race become lighter. 1240 01:23:58,650 --> 01:24:03,480 So we have Professor Kevin Brown, and he speaks on the 1241 01:24:03,480 --> 01:24:06,060 impact of mixed race. 1242 01:24:06,450 --> 01:24:10,230 And we're seeing substantial increases to in black, 1243 01:24:10,230 --> 01:24:17,160 multiracial, that is blacks with a non black parent, black white 1244 01:24:17,310 --> 01:24:22,470 parented, black Asian parentage. Those percentages are set to 1245 01:24:22,470 --> 01:24:28,530 increase by 80% between 2010 and 2020. We're now seeing 1246 01:24:28,530 --> 01:24:33,450 substantial interracial marriage among the black slash African 1247 01:24:33,450 --> 01:24:38,130 American population, the United States. So you can see here 1970 1248 01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:43,050 Of All Blacks who were married, only 1.1% were married outside 1249 01:24:43,050 --> 01:24:51,540 of the race, that increases to 2.4% in 19 84.1% and 90 97% in 1250 01:24:51,540 --> 01:24:59,070 2000. In 2010, it increases to 9%. But But let me add this is 1251 01:24:59,070 --> 01:25:04,740 the all black blacks who are married. So younger people, the 1252 01:25:04,740 --> 01:25:09,990 ones in the prime count bearing ages are even much more likely 1253 01:25:09,990 --> 01:25:17,100 to marry across the race. In 2012, for example, one in four 1254 01:25:17,100 --> 01:25:23,490 black males that married 25%, married outside of the race for 1255 01:25:23,490 --> 01:25:28,710 black women was about 9.3%. And we continue to see that black 1256 01:25:28,710 --> 01:25:32,610 males are two to three times more likely to marry outside of 1257 01:25:32,610 --> 01:25:37,500 the race. If these current content trends continue, within 1258 01:25:37,500 --> 01:25:41,880 a generation or two, a majority of the black population in the 1259 01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:46,260 United States will actually be mixed race. And because they're 1260 01:25:46,260 --> 01:25:51,030 mixed race, they will more and more assert an identity that's 1261 01:25:51,030 --> 01:25:53,400 different from that of African Americans. 1262 01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:02,010 So with his math, we're basically doubling interracial. 1263 01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:05,400 The interracial population or interracial marriage, like 1264 01:26:05,430 --> 01:26:09,240 basically has doubled every decade. Yeah, roughly what he 1265 01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:10,830 said, Yeah, won't take very long 1266 01:26:10,830 --> 01:26:11,670 is what he's saying. 1267 01:26:13,290 --> 01:26:22,530 Yeah. And that's scary. From our perspective. On my desk, I have 1268 01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:26,940 pictures of my grandparents. Oh, I'm a very proud of my lineage. 1269 01:26:28,410 --> 01:26:35,280 That we you survive. And they surreal real possibility that my 1270 01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:40,200 culture, it's not about skin color. And that's why I laid it 1271 01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:44,250 all out about colorism. It's not about skin color, it's about 1272 01:26:44,250 --> 01:26:50,190 culture is going to be racist. And that's why I have a real 1273 01:26:50,190 --> 01:26:59,970 problem with this show. Of a sub segment of our culture is 1274 01:26:59,970 --> 01:27:00,870 pulling away. 1275 01:27:04,020 --> 01:27:08,340 When you sit when you say culture, what do you mean? What 1276 01:27:08,340 --> 01:27:10,590 exactly do you mean by that in this context? 1277 01:27:10,950 --> 01:27:19,620 So first of all, black is not a race. This is not a Das is what 1278 01:27:19,620 --> 01:27:25,260 I'm talking about my culture. The black American experience, 1279 01:27:25,890 --> 01:27:31,770 all the end comps and compasses. I feel like they're trying to go 1280 01:27:31,770 --> 01:27:35,850 away from that. I don't want I don't want them to have I'm 1281 01:27:35,850 --> 01:27:38,340 being serious is a hard set right now. I don't want to see 1282 01:27:38,340 --> 01:27:44,250 that happen. We've seen this with Native Americans. And I 1283 01:27:44,250 --> 01:27:46,500 said, Well, it's a real fear of mine. I look at Native 1284 01:27:46,500 --> 01:27:53,370 Americans, not you basically. It happened to them. But okay, so 1285 01:27:53,400 --> 01:28:01,650 do you. The question is, because this is coming from inside black 1286 01:28:01,650 --> 01:28:05,640 families themselves. Now, of course, there's tons of 1287 01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:08,340 influence from the outside making this happen, but it's 1288 01:28:08,340 --> 01:28:12,030 something that's historically as we can see, because of external 1289 01:28:12,030 --> 01:28:16,710 factors is happening internally. You know, so the, the 1290 01:28:16,710 --> 01:28:19,230 grandmother says, Don't Don't go ahead. 1291 01:28:19,260 --> 01:28:22,260 It's it's a family thing. You might fight with your sister or 1292 01:28:22,260 --> 01:28:27,300 your brother. Right. But some I mess with them. You the curries, 1293 01:28:28,650 --> 01:28:32,610 right? Yes, of course. That's what I'm saying. 1294 01:28:32,610 --> 01:28:36,780 I got you. I got you know, I, I understand that I just want to 1295 01:28:36,780 --> 01:28:37,410 delve into 1296 01:28:38,430 --> 01:28:41,640 you maybe illustrate I want to illustrate this trait that 1297 01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:47,970 clearly yes, we may fight within ourselves. But before, if 1298 01:28:47,970 --> 01:28:53,790 anybody mess with us, we were all together. No matter your 1299 01:28:53,790 --> 01:28:58,110 shape, no matter you know, no matter what. Right? Well, it 1300 01:28:58,110 --> 01:29:04,950 seems like they're trying to they found a good way to divide 1301 01:29:04,950 --> 01:29:06,930 us and they're plucking every string 1302 01:29:06,990 --> 01:29:13,200 and they is is the Boulais ie the black elite. Yes. Okay. 1303 01:29:13,290 --> 01:29:13,980 Let's just make sure. 1304 01:29:14,610 --> 01:29:18,450 That's why I said they did a pivot. Yep. They were all for 1305 01:29:19,470 --> 01:29:22,710 blacks. Mary And you heard the man said it himself. He was for 1306 01:29:22,710 --> 01:29:24,720 blacks marrying blacks. That's the best thing you could do for 1307 01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:28,680 a community but they do a pivot. You say you know what? That 1308 01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:32,340 remember that passing thing? What happens here is the passing 1309 01:29:32,340 --> 01:29:37,770 bar has been lowered. Yes, that's why I want to illustrate 1310 01:29:37,770 --> 01:29:42,270 a now is not whiteness, the bar now is not whiteness anymore, is 1311 01:29:42,270 --> 01:29:48,660 non blackness. If we can skirt into non blackness, then we pass 1312 01:29:48,810 --> 01:29:54,750 and from my perspective, Moe, I am literally the most hated type 1313 01:29:54,750 --> 01:29:59,010 of person in the United States right now, which is an old 1314 01:29:59,310 --> 01:30:05,640 school straight, white male, I too am being told to move over a 1315 01:30:05,670 --> 01:30:08,220 little more to get a little brown or son. 1316 01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:09,510 That's the man knows. 1317 01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:11,940 The nudge, absolutely. 1318 01:30:12,330 --> 01:30:16,560 We're both being nudged. Let's get into Professor Kevin Brown 1319 01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:16,950 too, 1320 01:30:17,070 --> 01:30:21,570 with respect to black, multiracial. The research on the 1321 01:30:21,570 --> 01:30:25,590 racial identity of multiracial shows, tends to show the black 1322 01:30:25,590 --> 01:30:29,400 multiracial, they have a very different racial identity from 1323 01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:33,330 African Americans, they generally tend to fall into one 1324 01:30:33,330 --> 01:30:38,070 of three kinds. One, they either assert that they're multiracial. 1325 01:30:38,820 --> 01:30:43,230 Second, that they will assert that they're black. Or third is 1326 01:30:43,230 --> 01:30:46,560 that they will assert that they're just simply beyond race. 1327 01:30:46,590 --> 01:30:49,530 They're non racial, they don't think about race, you know, 1328 01:30:49,770 --> 01:30:55,320 consider race. Indeed, a few will even take the white 1329 01:30:55,320 --> 01:31:02,430 ancestry or Asian ancestry. And also, within the United States, 1330 01:31:02,430 --> 01:31:09,240 the black family has fragmented since the 1960s. We're at a 1331 01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:14,040 point now where almost 70% of our children are raised in 1332 01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:19,110 single parent homes. So when you put together that black males 1333 01:31:19,110 --> 01:31:24,120 are more likely to have interracial relationships with 1334 01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:28,020 white females. And with the black, the breakdown of the 1335 01:31:28,020 --> 01:31:32,040 black home, it means many black, multiracial, those are actually 1336 01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:35,520 being raised by single white females. And they therefore are 1337 01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:39,960 having a very different racial identity than the traditional 1338 01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:45,210 African American. So all of this seems to suggest that we are 1339 01:31:45,210 --> 01:31:49,530 really watching some fundamental shifts in the traditional 1340 01:31:49,530 --> 01:31:54,750 struggle of the African American in the United States and in in 1341 01:31:54,750 --> 01:31:59,280 some real way. We are watching substantial interracial 1342 01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:04,290 marriages. And the trend of those continues to accelerate as 1343 01:32:04,290 --> 01:32:05,850 the younger people get older and older, 1344 01:32:06,660 --> 01:32:10,470 if I may, and if this is not an appropriate spot to do it. Let 1345 01:32:10,470 --> 01:32:13,260 me know in this whole deconstruction, which you're 1346 01:32:13,260 --> 01:32:18,150 laying out before us, quite expertly does and if so, where 1347 01:32:18,150 --> 01:32:20,850 does Michael Jackson fit into this 1348 01:32:22,590 --> 01:32:30,570 topic? Michael Jackson. He was born a dark skinned man, well 1349 01:32:30,570 --> 01:32:32,970 darkened in a brown paper bag at this use of brown paper bag as 1350 01:32:32,970 --> 01:32:42,390 the darker light divide. But the pressures of fitting in to that 1351 01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:46,230 is kind of like I think Michael Jackson suffer for something but 1352 01:32:46,230 --> 01:32:52,080 that barring barring the skin, you know, vitiligo, vitiligo 1353 01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:53,130 barring that, which is, 1354 01:32:54,060 --> 01:32:57,750 I know, black men with vitiligo, and it's, yeah, he's a peel off 1355 01:32:57,750 --> 01:33:01,050 and it's white. You know, I know white people with vitiligo and 1356 01:33:01,050 --> 01:33:01,710 it's the same thing. 1357 01:33:02,310 --> 01:33:10,350 Barring that, you can't still ignore the facial changes. Yeah. 1358 01:33:10,860 --> 01:33:15,030 And I think that was a form of like, kinda like, how would it 1359 01:33:15,030 --> 01:33:21,210 call anorexia? And bulimia as you look in the mirror, he had 1360 01:33:21,210 --> 01:33:26,640 an idea of an idea was based off of all white beauty. Yeah. And 1361 01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:31,590 he was trying to get there. Honestly, believe about micro 1362 01:33:31,590 --> 01:33:31,920 Chinese. 1363 01:33:31,950 --> 01:33:35,190 Yeah. Yeah, it was the nose I think is really what bothered 1364 01:33:35,190 --> 01:33:40,320 me. I worked with him a couple times. And, you know, I can't 1365 01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:43,020 speak on behalf of all white people, but I know like, man, 1366 01:33:43,650 --> 01:33:47,640 like you knows. You got a nice nose. What are you trying to do 1367 01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:48,990 here to ruin it? 1368 01:33:50,100 --> 01:33:53,550 Now, now that you brought that up, and I don't want to harp on 1369 01:33:53,550 --> 01:33:58,170 this too long, even though we're accepting of his quote, unquote, 1370 01:33:58,170 --> 01:34:01,200 children, right, bro. Yeah, bro. 1371 01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:05,580 Yeah, bro. Are we not too accepting of his children? 1372 01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:11,310 Black people are Yeah, but bro did man made and my humble 1373 01:34:11,310 --> 01:34:15,990 opinion. I don't think those are genetically Michael Jackson's 1374 01:34:15,990 --> 01:34:16,530 children, 1375 01:34:16,710 --> 01:34:19,440 though as possible. Wouldn't surprise me 1376 01:34:19,530 --> 01:34:26,370 when I look at his genetics of him as a child. I don't see that 1377 01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:29,970 happening. But we're accepting that this is just to illustrate 1378 01:34:29,970 --> 01:34:33,330 how accepting we are. Nobody has ever questioned it. Nobody has 1379 01:34:33,330 --> 01:34:34,500 ever publicly questioned 1380 01:34:34,500 --> 01:34:36,990 us right? Yeah, I have never heard anyone question it 1381 01:34:36,990 --> 01:34:42,240 actually, except for here on Moe Factz. This is where we break 1382 01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:44,010 down all those holy walls. 1383 01:34:44,250 --> 01:34:49,890 Right. So one last a shorty, but let's get Kevin Brown three. 1384 01:34:50,250 --> 01:34:51,240 Well, the the 1385 01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:53,640 impact I think the impact I think we're already seeing it. 1386 01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:59,460 So there's less talk about race in the United States. brick and 1387 01:34:59,460 --> 01:35:04,530 mortar Talk about new race neutrality individualism because 1388 01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:07,530 course, as your black, multiracial grew up, they're 1389 01:35:07,530 --> 01:35:09,510 less and less invested in it. 1390 01:35:10,680 --> 01:35:13,230 Yeah, that's what you're talking about. That's how you lose it. 1391 01:35:14,430 --> 01:35:22,020 Well, there's that that being cuts both ways. Either they go, 1392 01:35:22,050 --> 01:35:28,080 Well, I'm not black anymore, I'm multiracial, you know, that kind 1393 01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:33,540 of thing. Or they go hyper black. Now we're gonna go back 1394 01:35:33,900 --> 01:35:35,610 for shows to Mr. Shaun King, 1395 01:35:35,670 --> 01:35:39,750 this degree of even like light skin privilege and 1396 01:35:39,750 --> 01:35:45,240 accessibility. Like, because I look how I look, that makes me 1397 01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:50,730 more relatable to white people and whitespace is, so what I 1398 01:35:50,730 --> 01:35:54,180 have to do, if I have some level of relatability that I didn't 1399 01:35:54,180 --> 01:35:57,420 choose, I was born with it. I have to use it, I have to 1400 01:35:57,420 --> 01:36:00,600 squeeze it, I have to maximize it. So that's what you see with 1401 01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:10,410 like, mega woke like skin people are like, I'll go hard. Then the 1402 01:36:10,410 --> 01:36:14,340 flip of that is I had Colin kapernick. And I've talked about 1403 01:36:14,340 --> 01:36:18,000 this at great length. Because we grew up in the families we grew 1404 01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:23,790 up in. We also grew up in close, intimate proximity to white 1405 01:36:23,790 --> 01:36:28,050 people and white problems. And so we saw it and we understand 1406 01:36:28,050 --> 01:36:31,590 it in a way. And so we're trying our best to use it. 1407 01:36:33,870 --> 01:36:38,700 So, as Mr. Kevin Brown says, one way you can go is you say go 1408 01:36:38,700 --> 01:36:45,600 away from blackness. But you have a lot of biracial people 1409 01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:51,330 that turn into the blackness very heavily. As he said the 1410 01:36:51,330 --> 01:36:55,770 super mega woke that's his word Super Mega. Yeah, I did. Yeah. 1411 01:36:57,810 --> 01:37:03,150 I, here's my theory on that. I think they try to play that game 1412 01:37:03,180 --> 01:37:08,790 of, well, I'm not really black. But they get into those spaces, 1413 01:37:08,790 --> 01:37:11,580 and then they're treated as they're black. Because the 1414 01:37:11,580 --> 01:37:15,330 people that they're dealing with, still operate off the one 1415 01:37:15,360 --> 01:37:21,030 drop rule. Right. And what you get is this, you get your Colin 1416 01:37:21,030 --> 01:37:25,320 Kaepernick, you get your Angela rise. You're saying you get your 1417 01:37:25,350 --> 01:37:26,460 Shaun kings. 1418 01:37:26,730 --> 01:37:29,940 Were not necessarily all a DOS, by the way. 1419 01:37:30,390 --> 01:37:36,690 Right. But I tried to go racially ambiguous biracial. But 1420 01:37:36,690 --> 01:37:39,360 it didn't work, and they get offended. And then that's why 1421 01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:43,380 they said we need safe spaces we need, bro we've been we've been 1422 01:37:43,380 --> 01:37:44,640 live this Yes, 1423 01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:46,650 yes, yes, yes. Yep. We, 1424 01:37:47,340 --> 01:37:51,240 I'm not. When I walk into this situation. That's why I said and 1425 01:37:51,240 --> 01:37:57,240 here's what the trans thing is a great analogy. I have no closet 1426 01:37:57,240 --> 01:38:02,820 that I can live in. Oh, when you're trained, and you're 1427 01:38:02,820 --> 01:38:10,020 really good at it. You do have a people don't really know. And 1428 01:38:10,020 --> 01:38:13,260 they won't caution you about it, you know, but we have much, much 1429 01:38:13,260 --> 01:38:14,220 more figured out 1430 01:38:14,250 --> 01:38:19,380 you have more control over your parents in that situation versus 1431 01:38:19,380 --> 01:38:25,350 Yeah, color. But when you're out it. Yeah. Or when you're out as 1432 01:38:25,650 --> 01:38:29,460 as, as Mr. Kevin Brown says, you're raised by a white parent, 1433 01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:34,230 you can pretty much pass. But then when you're out it, how 1434 01:38:34,230 --> 01:38:36,630 does your peers accept you? Right? They look at you 1435 01:38:36,630 --> 01:38:39,120 differently, because you were saying you want to be accepted 1436 01:38:39,120 --> 01:38:42,060 as not. And I don't think he's I don't think they want to be 1437 01:38:42,060 --> 01:38:45,180 accepted as white. I think they want to get what they say pass 1438 01:38:45,180 --> 01:38:48,300 race. And we heard that conversation were posed. Right? 1439 01:38:48,300 --> 01:38:52,110 We're in a post racial society. Yes. Right. That's what what 1440 01:38:52,110 --> 01:38:57,960 2008 They were pushing hard. But you notice by 2012 2016 the 1441 01:38:57,960 --> 01:39:05,700 other shoe dropped. Yeah. i na. Yeah, where what how does that 1442 01:39:05,700 --> 01:39:10,170 happen? I don't know. I can't say I can't I can't speak to 1443 01:39:10,170 --> 01:39:13,350 that perspective, because I've never had that luxury of being 1444 01:39:13,350 --> 01:39:18,630 racially ambiguous. But alright, so now we're here. 1445 01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:22,140 Hold on, Moe, listen to your words. You said you haven't had 1446 01:39:22,140 --> 01:39:25,530 the luxury of being racially ambiguous you consider that a 1447 01:39:25,530 --> 01:39:26,100 luxury? 1448 01:39:29,580 --> 01:39:34,500 I do. I I'll look at I'll reason why I say that is in the same 1449 01:39:34,500 --> 01:39:41,250 way. As a trans person will be said to add whatever gender they 1450 01:39:41,250 --> 01:39:46,560 want it to be. Got it. Not as you're saying not as it either 1451 01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:50,550 way what I'm saying is not being recognized by my race first got 1452 01:39:50,550 --> 01:39:53,490 it. Not not that I don't want to be my race. I want to clear that 1453 01:39:53,490 --> 01:39:58,440 up. Right. It's the fact that when you walk into a room as 1454 01:39:58,440 --> 01:40:03,420 this whole show you seen Certain Way either way, either way it 1455 01:40:03,420 --> 01:40:04,800 follows certain 1456 01:40:10,260 --> 01:40:13,530 assumptions are gonna be made about you. Oh, of course, of 1457 01:40:13,530 --> 01:40:20,820 course. So I've never had that even enter my community. Got it, 1458 01:40:21,120 --> 01:40:26,340 because I'm of a darker hue. So I know when you're like in the 1459 01:40:26,340 --> 01:40:31,530 middle you like like you asked a great question what Brock Obama 1460 01:40:31,530 --> 01:40:34,770 he falls in the middle so he never had to. I don't think he 1461 01:40:34,770 --> 01:40:37,050 ever had the light skinned on the dark skin thing happened to 1462 01:40:37,050 --> 01:40:37,650 him. But as 1463 01:40:37,650 --> 01:40:40,680 we, as we've discussed before, and it fit perfectly in this 1464 01:40:40,680 --> 01:40:44,190 episode as well. He had huge credibility with Michelle. 1465 01:40:45,120 --> 01:40:47,700 Yes, well, I'm not just talking on the biracial thing. I'm 1466 01:40:47,700 --> 01:40:50,970 talking about his own color alone. Right? His complexion. 1467 01:40:50,970 --> 01:40:53,970 Right, right. Right. It was perfect. It's perfect. So it's 1468 01:40:53,970 --> 01:40:57,120 like he never was perceived as light skinned or light skinned 1469 01:40:57,120 --> 01:41:00,690 black or dark. I've never so weird. You've made me think 1470 01:41:00,690 --> 01:41:05,220 today? I've never heard him referred to is either. Right? 1471 01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:06,480 That's, that's interesting. 1472 01:41:06,510 --> 01:41:09,630 Yeah. Well, he's I think he was he's like it came out of central 1473 01:41:09,630 --> 01:41:10,260 casting. 1474 01:41:10,950 --> 01:41:12,810 The perfect I call him honey roasted. 1475 01:41:14,640 --> 01:41:16,260 Is that a hashtag I should be aware of. 1476 01:41:22,530 --> 01:41:27,630 So people may ask, what is the origin of all this? And you've 1477 01:41:27,630 --> 01:41:30,990 hinted at it as you do for your future. And we're gonna get 1478 01:41:30,990 --> 01:41:36,690 something to fix that. Because right? Know exactly where I'm 1479 01:41:36,690 --> 01:41:37,110 at? Oh, 1480 01:41:37,110 --> 01:41:40,620 yeah. Oh, yeah. This is this is one of my favorites. I love 1481 01:41:40,620 --> 01:41:41,010 this. 1482 01:41:41,640 --> 01:41:49,320 It's a plan, I believe, to destroy races of people. 1483 01:41:49,530 --> 01:41:52,650 And if you're talking about what's going on in Europe? 1484 01:41:53,880 --> 01:41:57,690 I think it is I think it's not only Europe. I think that's just 1485 01:41:57,720 --> 01:42:03,060 one of the plans. One of the tentacles of the plan. But I 1486 01:42:03,060 --> 01:42:06,180 think there's a thing called the choleric II plan. 1487 01:42:06,300 --> 01:42:08,340 Yes, sir. Oh, very familiar. 1488 01:42:09,150 --> 01:42:12,450 I have a clip on it before but before we play the clip, I would 1489 01:42:12,450 --> 01:42:15,060 like to get your perspective on this. 1490 01:42:16,050 --> 01:42:20,490 The Kalevi plan? Well, we've we've discussed this quite a bit 1491 01:42:20,490 --> 01:42:28,710 on the no agenda show in the in relation to immigration issues 1492 01:42:28,710 --> 01:42:31,140 happening in Europe and I lived in the Netherlands, I lived in 1493 01:42:31,140 --> 01:42:37,500 Belgium, I lived in the United Kingdom. And there was a I think 1494 01:42:37,500 --> 01:42:43,710 he was our Austrian or he was amazing. He was of Asian 1495 01:42:43,710 --> 01:42:48,540 descent. I know one of his parts of Asia, and Austin, Japanese. I 1496 01:42:48,540 --> 01:42:52,920 think that's exactly count of Coutinho of a choleric he, and 1497 01:42:52,920 --> 01:42:59,370 his entire push was to create while his first book was pan 1498 01:42:59,370 --> 01:43:07,680 Europa, which is no early 1925, or something before the before 1499 01:43:07,680 --> 01:43:12,480 the depression, the Great Depression. But he foresaw a 1500 01:43:12,480 --> 01:43:17,820 future where Europe became Brown, just everyone, everyone 1501 01:43:17,820 --> 01:43:23,070 integrated, and we had one big mass of people kind of the same 1502 01:43:23,070 --> 01:43:28,590 color all over Europe. And this is taken so seriously that there 1503 01:43:28,590 --> 01:43:32,850 is still a prize given I think, every year maybe every two years 1504 01:43:33,780 --> 01:43:37,200 to people in Europe. I don't know, it's I don't know if it's 1505 01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:39,600 called the choleric gi award, but it's for this type of 1506 01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:43,590 integration. I know Angular Merkel, who really helped 1507 01:43:43,590 --> 01:43:47,970 Germany open up their borders, to not really good results by 1508 01:43:47,970 --> 01:43:51,570 the Germans own admission, what has happened all over Europe, 1509 01:43:51,570 --> 01:43:54,780 and she was the one of the most recent recipients of the 1510 01:43:54,780 --> 01:44:00,990 choleric D award. And I've looked at this, and whenever you 1511 01:44:00,990 --> 01:44:08,250 hear well, for instance, I first came in touch with it. In a 1512 01:44:08,280 --> 01:44:13,380 horrible way on Anders Breivik, he's the guy who killed 80 kids 1513 01:44:13,380 --> 01:44:16,770 on the island, and I want to say, Norway or Denmark, I can't 1514 01:44:16,770 --> 01:44:18,960 remember off the top of my head. I remember that case. I remember 1515 01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:21,900 that case. And he wrote, they called it a manifesto, but it 1516 01:44:21,900 --> 01:44:25,140 wasn't it was a compendium, and it was a very large document and 1517 01:44:25,140 --> 01:44:28,380 a whole bunch of stuff jammed together. And one of the 1518 01:44:28,410 --> 01:44:33,000 problems he had was this Cholesky plan. He said, I don't 1519 01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:40,620 want my heritage, my race to be diluted the way the European 1520 01:44:40,620 --> 01:44:45,390 project has planned it. And that was at least some of the impetus 1521 01:44:45,390 --> 01:44:52,290 for the actions he took later reference by the Christchurch 1522 01:44:52,290 --> 01:44:58,260 shooter. He also referenced that so this is something that's it's 1523 01:44:58,290 --> 01:45:00,600 I don't think many people in United States know about it but 1524 01:45:00,600 --> 01:45:03,330 in Europe it is definitely something being discussed as 1525 01:45:03,330 --> 01:45:07,050 there's huge immigration issues and and opinions all over 1526 01:45:07,050 --> 01:45:11,040 Europe. So that I think is a short version of what the clergy 1527 01:45:11,040 --> 01:45:11,940 plan is. 1528 01:45:12,330 --> 01:45:16,890 So before let's play the clip now discuss it post a clip. So 1529 01:45:16,890 --> 01:45:21,420 this is an excerpt from clarities book practical 1530 01:45:21,420 --> 01:45:22,410 idealism. 1531 01:45:23,010 --> 01:45:26,850 In 1925. Richard published another book and titled, 1532 01:45:27,690 --> 01:45:33,480 practice your idealism us for practical idealism. An excerpt 1533 01:45:33,510 --> 01:45:38,370 from practical idealism, quote, demand of the future will be of 1534 01:45:38,370 --> 01:45:41,940 mixed race, the races and classes of today will gradually 1535 01:45:41,970 --> 01:45:46,500 disappear due to the elimination of space, time and prejudice. 1536 01:45:46,740 --> 01:45:50,700 The Eurasian Negroid is the race of the future, similar in 1537 01:45:50,700 --> 01:45:54,060 appearance to the ancient Egyptians, they will replace the 1538 01:45:54,060 --> 01:45:57,930 diversity of the people and the diversity of the individuals, 1539 01:45:58,260 --> 01:46:02,100 instead of destroying European Judaism, Europe, against her 1540 01:46:02,100 --> 01:46:06,630 will refined and educated this people will be driving them to 1541 01:46:06,630 --> 01:46:10,440 their future status as a leading nation through this artificial 1542 01:46:10,560 --> 01:46:15,300 evolutionary process. Insofar as Europe is Christian, it is in a 1543 01:46:15,300 --> 01:46:19,440 spiritual sense Jewish, and so far, Europe is moral. It is 1544 01:46:19,440 --> 01:46:24,060 Jewish, almost all European ethics are rooted in jury, all 1545 01:46:24,060 --> 01:46:26,820 protagonists for religious or non religious Christian 1546 01:46:26,820 --> 01:46:30,510 morality, from Augustine to Rousseau to Kant to Tolstoy, 1547 01:46:30,540 --> 01:46:33,900 where Jews of choice in a spiritual sense Nietzsche is the 1548 01:46:33,900 --> 01:46:38,610 only non Jew dealing European heathen moralist, and the east, 1549 01:46:38,640 --> 01:46:42,000 the Chinese people are ethnically par excellence, and 1550 01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:45,480 the West. It is the Jews, strength of character paired 1551 01:46:45,480 --> 01:46:48,690 with the sharpness of mind predestines to Jews, and their 1552 01:46:48,690 --> 01:46:52,110 most excellent specimen to become the leaders of urbane 1553 01:46:52,140 --> 01:46:56,850 humanity, from the false to the genuine spiritual aristocrats to 1554 01:46:56,850 --> 01:47:00,420 the protagonist of capitalism, as well as of the revolution. 1555 01:47:00,690 --> 01:47:04,230 Now we stand at the threshold of the third epoch of the new times 1556 01:47:04,260 --> 01:47:08,160 socialism. Also, socialism is supported by the Urban class of 1557 01:47:08,160 --> 01:47:11,820 industrial workers, led by the aristocracy of revolutionary 1558 01:47:11,850 --> 01:47:15,720 writers, this development, and with it, the chaos of modern 1559 01:47:15,720 --> 01:47:20,190 politics will only then find its end when a spiritual aristocracy 1560 01:47:20,190 --> 01:47:24,690 seizes the means of power of society. Richard clergy 1925 1561 01:47:25,170 --> 01:47:28,920 Yeah, yeah, I almost had I had the wrong book, but the right 1562 01:47:28,920 --> 01:47:31,110 year. Yeah. 1563 01:47:31,620 --> 01:47:35,940 So how do I get to this point is, and this is one of the 1564 01:47:35,940 --> 01:47:40,200 things I was the listener of your show. But when you brought 1565 01:47:40,200 --> 01:47:44,520 this up, you hooked me, because I knew about this prior to 1566 01:47:45,180 --> 01:47:51,030 hearing it on your show. The reason why I found this out is I 1567 01:47:51,030 --> 01:47:53,850 watch commercials morning I watch television, as you can 1568 01:47:53,850 --> 01:47:59,580 tell, oh, I turned commercials up when they come home. Because 1569 01:47:59,580 --> 01:48:01,680 like telling me I'm not really into television. If I watch 1570 01:48:01,680 --> 01:48:04,590 television, it's more of a watch Netflix which show I want to 1571 01:48:04,590 --> 01:48:08,070 watch and then you don't my life. But as I'm watching my 1572 01:48:08,100 --> 01:48:10,890 major league sports so that they can invest because sports is one 1573 01:48:10,890 --> 01:48:15,390 of my thing. I started noticing and maybe I want to say four or 1574 01:48:15,390 --> 01:48:22,230 five years ago, the push of racially mixed couples on 1575 01:48:22,230 --> 01:48:25,920 television. Now I preface everything I'm about to say is 1576 01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:29,790 you can date you can love who you want to. Doesn't matter to 1577 01:48:29,790 --> 01:48:36,210 me. I don't care. My problem is social engineering. We're not 1578 01:48:36,210 --> 01:48:43,080 watch these commercials. I'm like, okay, NES 123. And as long 1579 01:48:43,110 --> 01:48:45,840 as my wife do you notice that somebody's talking about this? 1580 01:48:45,840 --> 01:48:48,780 This isn't listen my wife because I noticed everything. 1581 01:48:48,780 --> 01:48:51,660 She's like, Oh, are you looking too far today? You know, most of 1582 01:48:51,660 --> 01:48:52,860 all I talked to her about she's like 1583 01:48:54,960 --> 01:48:57,930 this show is going to ruin everything for your mom. It's 1584 01:48:57,930 --> 01:48:59,640 gonna ruin your relationship. 1585 01:48:59,820 --> 01:49:03,240 No, this is me. This isn't No it's gonna say my relationship. 1586 01:49:03,630 --> 01:49:07,740 Because this is me talking to her. Yeah, this show and you're 1587 01:49:07,740 --> 01:49:17,820 just replacing her pretty you're a godsend to her. Right? Did you 1588 01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:21,060 say Did you see that? Do you see what what are you talking about? 1589 01:49:21,750 --> 01:49:23,700 You'd be hanging out with that white boy too much that's what's 1590 01:49:23,700 --> 01:49:24,420 going on with you. 1591 01:49:25,050 --> 01:49:29,730 No, no, no, no, no, I had these these these these this was pre 1592 01:49:29,730 --> 01:49:33,810 no agenda for me. Okay. So I'm like watching the show. I'm like 1593 01:49:34,470 --> 01:49:37,800 another mix couple. Yeah. And that I'm like, I don't know what 1594 01:49:37,800 --> 01:49:40,890 is going on here. Because most time is when you sell a salt 1595 01:49:40,890 --> 01:49:43,980 Miss like you know, it was a couple is the same down from the 1596 01:49:43,980 --> 01:49:51,210 error. You use the same race. What else everything became 1597 01:49:51,210 --> 01:49:54,870 mixed race. And I'm like, what are they pushing here? I mean, 1598 01:49:54,870 --> 01:49:57,660 this my brain would go off. I mean, I'm one of the guys just 1599 01:49:57,690 --> 01:50:00,810 just for rec matter record. I'm wanting to gotta listen to the 1600 01:50:00,810 --> 01:50:04,860 side effects all pharmaceutical commercials. Oh, that's another 1601 01:50:04,860 --> 01:50:07,230 thing I point out like, did you hear that chair? That's not long 1602 01:50:07,230 --> 01:50:10,770 that is. And what she came back to me was like, I stopped saying 1603 01:50:10,770 --> 01:50:15,180 it. And then she started noticing. She liked you. Right? 1604 01:50:15,630 --> 01:50:17,250 And she says that I had to be right. 1605 01:50:19,080 --> 01:50:23,340 Just so what did what was your feeling? Although this, you 1606 01:50:23,340 --> 01:50:26,880 probably weren't married then about the Cosby family? Because 1607 01:50:26,880 --> 01:50:32,850 there was very slick. They're all brown. But some of the I 1608 01:50:32,850 --> 01:50:35,850 mean, obviously, it's casting and we know, but Was there ever 1609 01:50:35,850 --> 01:50:37,830 any thought about that? Oh, well, you know, 1610 01:50:38,700 --> 01:50:43,500 what was Reishi? It was color ly bad. That's a word color Lee 1611 01:50:43,500 --> 01:50:46,950 balanced. Okay, gotcha. The reason why I say that is the two 1612 01:50:46,950 --> 01:50:50,850 oldest children were were a fairer skin. And then you have 1613 01:50:51,240 --> 01:50:54,960 Vanessa which the third daughter? She's up dark, 1614 01:50:54,990 --> 01:50:59,340 naughty. Oh, he's the boy. Oh, boy, that feels dark. Yeah, the 1615 01:50:59,340 --> 01:51:02,760 next two children are dark skin. And then the tie goes to the 1616 01:51:02,760 --> 01:51:05,460 dark skin because Rudy was darkened in a brown paper bag. 1617 01:51:05,460 --> 01:51:08,580 So it was it was balanced. It was it was balanced. It was very 1618 01:51:08,580 --> 01:51:12,990 balanced. So yeah, but that was that was cautious. They were 1619 01:51:12,990 --> 01:51:16,560 consciously aware that because even his wife is lighter than he 1620 01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:16,830 Yes. 1621 01:51:16,860 --> 01:51:19,890 Well, what was that? Mama first or mama second? Because they 1622 01:51:19,890 --> 01:51:20,760 switched you know, they 1623 01:51:20,760 --> 01:51:23,670 pulled that. You're talking about the Fresh Prince? 1624 01:51:23,970 --> 01:51:29,070 I'm sorry. You're right. That was fresh. Which today? We must 1625 01:51:29,070 --> 01:51:30,210 have been crazy. 1626 01:51:30,390 --> 01:51:34,050 That calls though. But even today, people like I don't. 1627 01:51:36,480 --> 01:51:37,680 There's only one for you. 1628 01:51:38,340 --> 01:51:40,170 Exactly. So it can't be you know, like 1629 01:51:40,169 --> 01:51:44,099 you brought it up. See? Yeah. Yeah. So even that it was like 1630 01:51:44,099 --> 01:51:47,999 what what? So now, but that was That was weird. So but yeah, 1631 01:51:47,999 --> 01:51:52,739 just gone back that that's what started me on this quest of what 1632 01:51:52,739 --> 01:51:55,919 is going on? What are they telling me? As what are they 1633 01:51:55,919 --> 01:51:56,759 pushing to me 1634 01:51:56,850 --> 01:52:00,420 as a fun fact, just to show you the seriousness because you 1635 01:52:00,420 --> 01:52:04,800 know, when we're saying name like color, ag and vo 1923 1636 01:52:04,800 --> 01:52:12,300 People like, okay, whatever. But in 1955 He proposed Beethoven's 1637 01:52:12,330 --> 01:52:20,700 Ode to Joy as the music for the European anthem. And this is 1638 01:52:20,700 --> 01:52:23,850 before the European Union was official. This happened. 1639 01:52:23,880 --> 01:52:27,690 European Union is the last 18 years and now it's an official 1640 01:52:27,690 --> 01:52:32,220 union of 28 member states. The national anthem of Europe is 1641 01:52:32,220 --> 01:52:36,420 Beethoven's Ode to Joy. So the guy was taken very seriously. 1642 01:52:36,420 --> 01:52:39,990 And his fingerprints are all over everything in the European 1643 01:52:39,990 --> 01:52:41,100 Union project. 1644 01:52:42,270 --> 01:52:47,370 And I would like to juxtapose him to Mr. Alan Lee relock, the 1645 01:52:47,370 --> 01:52:50,970 father of the Harlem Renaissance, and how he his 1646 01:52:51,690 --> 01:52:56,070 thought process is like the gospel now and the LG black LGBT 1647 01:52:56,070 --> 01:52:59,430 community. On the previous show, these guys when they were 1648 01:52:59,430 --> 01:53:02,700 writing their books and pushing their agendas earlier, there 1649 01:53:02,700 --> 01:53:06,600 were just too early for people to really catch on. But, you 1650 01:53:06,600 --> 01:53:09,540 know, laid the groundwork laid the groundwork for the for the 1651 01:53:09,540 --> 01:53:12,270 things that are being done today. But I say all that to 1652 01:53:12,270 --> 01:53:19,110 say, I don't want to be erased. I say that with all seriousness, 1653 01:53:19,710 --> 01:53:22,680 but I think it is a real, real possibility. 1654 01:53:24,750 --> 01:53:29,370 Well, it certainly seems like it's the push, I am not entirely 1655 01:53:29,370 --> 01:53:33,240 sure what the benefit is to the Boulay the elites or even the 1656 01:53:33,240 --> 01:53:39,270 Illuminati. Other than more control, I don't know. Maybe if 1657 01:53:39,270 --> 01:53:40,980 we're all brown, then. 1658 01:53:42,420 --> 01:53:45,570 Well, it's not about color. Let's get that straight. It's 1659 01:53:45,570 --> 01:53:49,050 about removing culture. And here's the end game and how I 1660 01:53:49,050 --> 01:53:54,210 see it. You remove culture, once you remove their culture, 1661 01:53:54,210 --> 01:53:57,660 because here's, here's the problem. I'm not a mixed person. 1662 01:53:58,080 --> 01:54:00,840 But I've known a lot of mixed people. And I've had 1663 01:54:00,840 --> 01:54:04,770 conversation with them. And as we see, even with even with 1664 01:54:04,770 --> 01:54:10,050 black people, it's hard to fit in where you're different. And 1665 01:54:10,050 --> 01:54:13,260 be totally accepted. Um, so I'm sure and I would love to hear 1666 01:54:13,260 --> 01:54:15,720 from people who were to write in newsstand on this box. Sure. 1667 01:54:15,720 --> 01:54:20,610 It's hard for them to fit in anywhere. So when you remove 1668 01:54:20,610 --> 01:54:23,430 them from their, you know, remove culture from all the 1669 01:54:23,430 --> 01:54:27,660 society, you can implant, the culture of corporatism. 1670 01:54:28,380 --> 01:54:32,460 You're absolutely right. And I'm a little bit older than you. So 1671 01:54:32,460 --> 01:54:36,780 I'm 65. But I've come to realize that it is exactly the 1672 01:54:36,780 --> 01:54:40,050 differences or some may call them imperfections, not just in 1673 01:54:40,050 --> 01:54:44,880 skin color, but background culture, history, all of that. 1674 01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:46,320 That makes it beautiful. 1675 01:54:47,280 --> 01:54:50,670 Yes, yeah, that's my whole point. I don't want what what we 1676 01:54:50,670 --> 01:54:55,830 provide to this human experience. I don't want that to 1677 01:54:55,830 --> 01:55:01,800 be taken away right on. Then that's my Oh point Yeah. From 1678 01:55:01,800 --> 01:55:06,150 all you have me you have this conversation is it works because 1679 01:55:06,150 --> 01:55:09,030 we convert to a different perspectives, and we can find 1680 01:55:09,030 --> 01:55:12,900 commonalities in it. But then we all coach also can share the 1681 01:55:12,900 --> 01:55:13,560 differences. 1682 01:55:13,710 --> 01:55:18,840 Exactly. And in the future this kind of show may not exist if we 1683 01:55:18,840 --> 01:55:22,530 let them have their way with us. Because there'd be no 1684 01:55:22,530 --> 01:55:25,830 differences to talk about, we'll all just be the same drones. 1685 01:55:26,730 --> 01:55:28,380 And that's, that's what that's my fear. 1686 01:55:29,940 --> 01:55:33,097 Well, Moe, I'll help you fight against that, because I don't 1687 01:55:33,150 --> 01:55:36,307 like it either. That's my fear too. Absolutely. But standing 1688 01:55:36,360 --> 01:55:39,622 next to you I can say that you see is very, very dangerous for 1689 01:55:39,675 --> 01:55:42,780 white men to say these kinds of things these days. And that 1690 01:55:43,950 --> 01:55:49,020 is just as dangerous for me to say it. I will say that because 1691 01:55:51,570 --> 01:55:58,140 we're expected I know we got to wrap but it's an expectation for 1692 01:55:58,140 --> 01:56:00,990 you not to be expecting from society. 1693 01:56:03,360 --> 01:56:06,330 It's even more pressure for me to be accepting because they 1694 01:56:06,330 --> 01:56:08,460 have like almost the same thing as being this are the same thing 1695 01:56:08,460 --> 01:56:11,850 as being black. Or this is same thing as being black. Yeah, now 1696 01:56:11,880 --> 01:56:14,880 you're saying that it's like everything we have, we have to 1697 01:56:14,880 --> 01:56:17,880 be accepting of everything. So that's why I say we're coming 1698 01:56:17,880 --> 01:56:23,190 from the same parallel on two different you're saying on you 1699 01:56:23,190 --> 01:56:26,190 know, two different directions. Well, ultimately, 1700 01:56:26,220 --> 01:56:30,060 we're just two American dudes chatting it up a bit and coming 1701 01:56:30,060 --> 01:56:32,520 with all are differences and that's what I love so much about 1702 01:56:32,520 --> 01:56:35,130 it and I and you know, for someone who didn't graduate 1703 01:56:35,130 --> 01:56:40,920 college, I love learning on a Monday. I really, really do. All 1704 01:56:40,920 --> 01:56:43,740 right this this we'll have to wrap it up. We've gone a little 1705 01:56:43,740 --> 01:56:47,310 long but man well worth it and I love I just love what you put 1706 01:56:47,310 --> 01:56:49,200 together for us today most fantastic. 1707 01:56:49,680 --> 01:56:53,430 I'm glad you appreciate it. And as I always say pay attention to 1708 01:56:53,430 --> 01:56:56,010 everything in a shoot will reveal itself 1709 01:56:56,000 --> 01:56:59,210 and we look forward to your feedback if you would like to 1710 01:56:59,210 --> 01:57:02,360 support the show go to MoeFactz.com donations are of 1711 01:57:02,360 --> 01:57:05,510 course welcome it's a value for value system. No ads, no 1712 01:57:05,510 --> 01:57:09,140 corporate money, just whatever you thought the show was a value 1713 01:57:09,140 --> 01:57:11,510 to you. We'll see you next week everybody. take care. 1714 01:57:13,790 --> 01:57:22,040 we people who wept off the thin blue we go on a stand around 1715 01:57:22,040 --> 01:57:29,300 this town and let further say come true we're just good for 1716 01:57:29,300 --> 01:57:40,730 nothing a boys grown up sh-tl-ss chicken now we can't harmless or 1717 01:57:40,730 --> 01:57:55,280 is that really for us you seen the Joker in the street? Loving 1718 01:57:55,280 --> 01:58:01,400 one brother and killing the other when the time comes and we 1719 01:58:01,400 --> 01:58:15,380 got really free there'll be no promise. You see we don't let us 1720 01:58:15,800 --> 01:58:22,970 around this town and let whatever come through with just 1721 01:58:26,840 --> 01:59:08,360 a boys grown up now we can. But let us not be so satisfied