1 00:00:10,740 --> 00:00:14,970 More facts with Adam curry for December 8 2021. This is episode 2 00:00:14,970 --> 00:00:20,370 number 72. We are back once again. It's Wednesday. You know 3 00:00:20,370 --> 00:00:23,790 what it's time for us right? I'm Adam curry coming to you from 4 00:00:23,790 --> 00:00:26,580 the heart of Texas Hill Country time once again to spin the 5 00:00:26,580 --> 00:00:30,420 Wheel of topics. All the way to Northern Virginia. Please say 6 00:00:30,420 --> 00:00:32,730 hello to my friend on the other end ladies and gentlemen, Mr. 7 00:00:32,730 --> 00:00:39,000 Moe facts I don't know I'm great. It's so good to talk to 8 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,130 you. We barely speak anymore. 9 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,960 That's what happens. We have a shutter run man, this busy, 10 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:46,200 busy, 11 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,780 busy. I don't know what you're cooking there in the back 12 00:00:48,780 --> 00:00:51,660 office. But yours. I think you're awful busy. You're doing 13 00:00:51,660 --> 00:00:52,560 a lot of stuff. 14 00:00:53,070 --> 00:00:59,280 Very busy. Producers are sending value in all kinds of ways. It's 15 00:00:59,490 --> 00:01:03,840 exciting new chapter. And speaking of new chapters, I just 16 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:04,710 had a birthday. 17 00:01:04,890 --> 00:01:08,880 Yes. And of course, as your good friend. I completely forgot 18 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,340 about it. And I think I got your day and a half late. 19 00:01:12,780 --> 00:01:14,040 You got me early for the next. 20 00:01:16,140 --> 00:01:19,260 Yes, so was this 41 for you now? 40 Yes. 21 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:20,490 41 22 00:01:20,730 --> 00:01:24,720 You'll never catch up to me. Did you get anything good? Any any 23 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:25,950 any cool presence? 24 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:31,440 I got a lot of love from the facts family. From the real 25 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:37,770 family as well. Favorite food. Everybody got together and I I'm 26 00:01:37,770 --> 00:01:42,660 going out of town to see my mom and pops here. So it's gonna be 27 00:01:42,660 --> 00:01:43,980 a birthday week kind of thing. 28 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,160 Oh, nice. All right. So does that mean there'll be a 29 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,940 postponement on the Lost Tapes for next next Wednesday? Oh, no. 30 00:01:50,940 --> 00:01:51,150 No 31 00:01:51,150 --> 00:01:54,870 postponements. Okay, dynamite Wednesday, eight o'clock, set it 32 00:01:54,870 --> 00:01:57,360 on your calendar, set it on everything was the eight 33 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:57,810 o'clock. 34 00:01:57,930 --> 00:02:01,890 That's right. And and we should be able to get the video into 35 00:02:01,890 --> 00:02:05,010 the podcast feed by the next time we have lost tapes, which 36 00:02:05,010 --> 00:02:08,940 will work with any of the new podcast apps and new podcast 37 00:02:08,940 --> 00:02:13,350 apps calm. Alright, Mo I am super excited. Of course, once 38 00:02:13,350 --> 00:02:16,980 again, I have no idea what we're going to do today. But should I 39 00:02:16,980 --> 00:02:17,820 just spin the wheel? 40 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,330 Well, I like to say something for we spin the wheel. Since 41 00:02:21,330 --> 00:02:24,450 it's my birthday. And we're gonna start a tradition. This is 42 00:02:24,450 --> 00:02:28,200 the second year of this. My birthday show is something that 43 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:32,100 I always want to work on. It's not going to be timely in the 44 00:02:32,100 --> 00:02:35,250 you know, current event kind of thing. Kind of like a trappers 45 00:02:35,250 --> 00:02:39,510 delight. That was another birthday show. Um, but hopefully 46 00:02:39,510 --> 00:02:42,510 people I hope people enjoy the topic and you can go and spin 47 00:02:42,510 --> 00:02:42,810 the wheel. 48 00:02:43,530 --> 00:02:47,100 All right, I love trappers like can't wait to see what we have 49 00:02:47,100 --> 00:02:51,750 for the show topic for episode number 72 of moe facts with Adam 50 00:02:51,750 --> 00:02:55,500 curry. Let's see what we got the topic for today's episode is 51 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,990 being Black can be bad for your health. 52 00:03:00,210 --> 00:03:04,590 Okay, what a birthday show Happy Birthday. All right. 53 00:03:05,580 --> 00:03:09,720 So for this show, we got to talk about the Duke lacrosse case, 54 00:03:10,260 --> 00:03:13,770 which is not timely at all. 55 00:03:13,860 --> 00:03:17,250 No, that's from oh gosh, that's from How long ago 56 00:03:17,610 --> 00:03:23,400 2016 May 2006. Excuse me. So we're looking at 15 years old. 57 00:03:23,910 --> 00:03:27,600 Um, but the reason why I want to talk about this is for two 58 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:32,250 reasons. One, the cow Rittenhouse Rittenhouse case 59 00:03:32,820 --> 00:03:37,470 sparked a lot of memories about that case. Mm hmm. Oh, with the 60 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,730 prosecutor playing all kinds of tricks, how would the race 61 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:47,760 aspect of it? So it just brought it up in my mind? And I think 62 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:52,620 it'd be cool to discuss it. So we kind of do 63 00:03:52,620 --> 00:03:55,830 whatever you want. Yeah, I'm trying. I'm sure it's not just a 64 00:03:55,830 --> 00:03:59,520 throwaway topic. I'm sure there's a lot to unpack here. 65 00:04:00,690 --> 00:04:04,020 I hope so. So let's go ahead and get into it. And number two 66 00:04:04,020 --> 00:04:06,030 fascinate fantastic lives. 67 00:04:11,940 --> 00:04:17,040 Can play more than basketball down in dorm folks? Lacrosse 68 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:24,990 players were cool kids. Good looking big. They were tough. 69 00:04:25,470 --> 00:04:41,970 And they were offensive ultra aggressive, ultra focused. It's 70 00:04:42,330 --> 00:04:44,040 golf culture with an attitude. 71 00:04:44,340 --> 00:04:48,660 They were very popular athletes. Their attendance at parties was 72 00:04:48,660 --> 00:04:53,310 a big deal. They ran and they were there together 73 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:03,240 most of the kids are from the northeast. From well established 74 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:03,930 families 75 00:05:23,940 --> 00:05:27,870 I think the kids all want a crack at number one again. And 76 00:05:27,990 --> 00:05:31,740 if we're good enough, you know, we're good enough. And I think 77 00:05:31,740 --> 00:05:33,120 our guys are good enough. 78 00:05:34,470 --> 00:05:38,700 We knew that this team was going places. That's why everyone was 79 00:05:38,700 --> 00:05:43,140 so looking forward to the following year. But they also 80 00:05:43,140 --> 00:05:46,080 understood that, you know, it's not that easy to get to redo it, 81 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,410 you did to repeat. You had these were athletes who knew what it 82 00:05:49,410 --> 00:05:52,470 was like that one little thing changes everything. 83 00:05:56,550 --> 00:06:01,110 Do we need to explain for people who may not be familiar with the 84 00:06:01,110 --> 00:06:05,280 Duke lacrosse case, that kind of an outline of what was going on? 85 00:06:05,610 --> 00:06:10,890 Yes. So in 2006, the nation was rocked quote unquote, by 86 00:06:10,890 --> 00:06:14,520 allegations of three Duke lacrosse players had raped a 87 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:21,630 woman named crystal Mangum at an Off Campus Party. And the wheels 88 00:06:21,630 --> 00:06:25,740 of justice set in place similar in the case like the Rittenhouse 89 00:06:25,740 --> 00:06:30,270 case, that they had to have these boys, quote unquote, 90 00:06:30,270 --> 00:06:34,950 that's how they refer to these young men. And that's why it 91 00:06:34,950 --> 00:06:38,730 came up in my memory. And as I was doing that show, I was like, 92 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,750 this seems a lot like the witch hunt that happened with 93 00:06:42,750 --> 00:06:47,820 Rittenhouse. How they were already guilty. No, in a court 94 00:06:48,900 --> 00:06:53,460 court of public opinion. So what I want to do is just like draw 95 00:06:53,460 --> 00:06:56,400 some highlights there. I think that's the first time we really 96 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:01,410 saw the council cannon come out. The woke culture in the 97 00:07:01,410 --> 00:07:04,620 university was 2006. Here was it 98 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,650 rolling stone that wrote the initial 99 00:07:08,910 --> 00:07:10,950 when you're thinking about the Virginia that you think about 100 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,280 this is the this is the predecessor to that right. 101 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,910 Right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. So when after that. So 102 00:07:17,970 --> 00:07:22,410 what you're referring to is the Virginia UVA. Yeah, the right 103 00:07:22,410 --> 00:07:26,580 culture there. And this predates that. And this was like on the 104 00:07:26,580 --> 00:07:31,230 heels of Katrina. So race tensions were very high 105 00:07:31,410 --> 00:07:33,990 as in the current frame that Yeah, that's really good to 106 00:07:33,990 --> 00:07:35,520 frame that. Okay. Yes. 107 00:07:35,580 --> 00:07:39,690 So I just want to show if we would have been paying 108 00:07:39,690 --> 00:07:43,710 attention, then we could kind of see what will happen now in the 109 00:07:43,710 --> 00:07:48,540 Rittenhouse case, but I also want to show that money and 110 00:07:48,540 --> 00:07:53,940 power this case didn't even you know, get the wheels going on it 111 00:07:54,390 --> 00:07:59,430 because it got shut down real quick. But it was powers that be 112 00:07:59,550 --> 00:08:02,520 that wanted to give you oxygen for a political political game 113 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:09,930 and Social Change Game. So there's a lot here. 114 00:08:10,170 --> 00:08:13,470 Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I'm ready for the ride. 115 00:08:13,950 --> 00:08:18,690 Okay, so just to give you an example what how the media? That 116 00:08:18,690 --> 00:08:22,620 was a I'm sorry, these were three white guys. Right. Let's 117 00:08:22,620 --> 00:08:26,460 just make sure three three white guys and raped a black girl. 118 00:08:26,550 --> 00:08:30,270 Yes. Okay. Very important for context if they're super 119 00:08:30,270 --> 00:08:35,340 important. And Anna, half and half city called Durham. Okay, 120 00:08:35,340 --> 00:08:38,730 let me get like, I'm glad you brought it up. I'm from Durham. 121 00:08:39,570 --> 00:08:43,830 live. I live in Durham. So I experienced this boots on the 122 00:08:43,830 --> 00:08:46,320 ground. You were that you were living there when this took 123 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,160 place? Yes, I was 25 years old when this took place living in 124 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:57,450 Durham. Um, so it opened my eyes to how certain things work as a 125 00:08:57,450 --> 00:08:58,050 young man. 126 00:08:58,650 --> 00:09:02,340 Yeah, this is this is good for context. Now I understand why 127 00:09:02,340 --> 00:09:03,480 it's your birthday show. 128 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,870 Yes, it's gonna be a lot of personal context in this because 129 00:09:06,900 --> 00:09:11,940 I am a Duke basketball fan. So that plays a part in and we're 130 00:09:11,940 --> 00:09:15,420 going to get into the whole Duke University Duke culture kind of 131 00:09:15,420 --> 00:09:19,890 thing, how to look that it's a lot here for me personally. So 132 00:09:19,890 --> 00:09:22,200 that's why I want to make it as a birthday. So So I think it's 133 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:27,810 very apropos to do this. So moving back to the clips. This 134 00:09:27,810 --> 00:09:34,200 is an example of the anti Duke media and I want you to listen 135 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,590 and just mentally compare it to what we heard about Rittenhouse. 136 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,340 That's going to be on a jury now. That's right and diamonds 137 00:09:41,340 --> 00:09:44,460 handed down arrests made on at least two young men. We're 138 00:09:44,460 --> 00:09:48,180 expecting yet a third invite indictment in the Duke lacrosse 139 00:09:48,270 --> 00:09:52,260 rape scandal. Let's go straight to Clark girlband our producer 140 00:09:52,290 --> 00:09:54,810 producer What can you tell me about these two young men? 141 00:09:55,050 --> 00:09:58,080 They come from some nice homes in the shadow of New York City 142 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,780 dance. Let's first start with cars. Lynn's home, it's in 143 00:10:00,780 --> 00:10:01,110 garden. 144 00:10:02,190 --> 00:10:06,360 I'm sorry. When did you get on the first name basis where the 145 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:11,220 defendant and a first and I had a rape case or not? Okay, let's, 146 00:10:11,430 --> 00:10:12,870 Mr. finners. Go ahead. 147 00:10:13,260 --> 00:10:17,520 Mr. Finnerty His home is assessed at 1,000,900. 148 00:10:17,820 --> 00:10:19,530 About the family, why don't you give them me $2 149 00:10:19,530 --> 00:10:22,650 million. What does that mean? How much their house is worth? 150 00:10:22,740 --> 00:10:26,790 where he comes from? And Garden City, New York. Your point is, 151 00:10:26,940 --> 00:10:30,570 you would be interested in their backgrounds. We have a rich, is 152 00:10:30,570 --> 00:10:32,430 that what you're telling me? Well, I'm telling you, they do 153 00:10:32,430 --> 00:10:35,730 have some nice homes. Nancy, and we also have one from Reed 154 00:10:36,390 --> 00:10:42,210 Seligman. His comes in at about $1,300,000. A very nice area as 155 00:10:42,210 --> 00:10:45,900 well. Okay, what is that it's about a half hour away from 156 00:10:45,900 --> 00:10:49,800 Manhattan on the Jersey side. So let's take a look at the house 157 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,100 of the parents of the alleged victim. Their home comes into 158 00:10:53,100 --> 00:10:53,610 the roadway. 159 00:10:53,670 --> 00:10:59,220 Right? Wait, are you trying to say that the victim is going to 160 00:10:59,220 --> 00:11:01,200 be outgunned by money in court? 161 00:11:01,350 --> 00:11:03,870 I'm not trying to say anything, Nancy, I'm letting the stats 162 00:11:03,930 --> 00:11:04,920 make sure the stats are 163 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:09,630 doing the talking. Wow, she's pretty blatant. It sounds that 164 00:11:09,630 --> 00:11:11,130 will sound a scripted, though. 165 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:16,080 If she was being sarcastic way for a reason to say. 166 00:11:18,210 --> 00:11:19,740 They're rich, right? Okay. 167 00:11:20,010 --> 00:11:25,020 So she was being it was built, this clip was built this whole I 168 00:11:25,020 --> 00:11:28,710 got a set of clips is built around sarcasm, but got it. It's 169 00:11:28,710 --> 00:11:32,400 a reason why she's doing this to say, oh, you know, they're gonna 170 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,580 get off. And I want to make like something right up front here. 171 00:11:35,910 --> 00:11:39,660 The thing was the thought, when we when people first heard about 172 00:11:39,660 --> 00:11:43,260 this case, is they're gonna get off. And it's it could be even 173 00:11:43,260 --> 00:11:49,080 known to two things to be true. This is one of those cases. That 174 00:11:50,580 --> 00:11:54,030 one, the feeling that they're going to get off regardless of 175 00:11:54,030 --> 00:11:58,560 what happens. Has nothing to do if they were guilty or not. Does 176 00:11:58,560 --> 00:11:59,760 that make sense? Yeah, no, I, 177 00:11:59,850 --> 00:12:06,870 of course, I totally agree. I mean, I I was 2006 I was in I 178 00:12:06,870 --> 00:12:09,600 was in the United States. So yeah, I recall this Sure. 179 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,070 Whether they're guilty or not, they're gonna get off. And 180 00:12:14,070 --> 00:12:18,150 that's what really rubbed a lot of black people quote, unquote, 181 00:12:18,150 --> 00:12:20,280 black people the wrong way. Because like, oh, you know, it's 182 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:24,510 dude. You know, they always get away with everything. And that's 183 00:12:24,510 --> 00:12:28,230 the culture of do a lot of that played in with the basketball 184 00:12:28,230 --> 00:12:31,290 team. We might talk about that a little bit, but I just want it 185 00:12:31,290 --> 00:12:36,690 like that. That's the thing that rich, white cross playing. Do 186 00:12:36,690 --> 00:12:40,680 players are trying to get off regardless, interestingly, 187 00:12:40,710 --> 00:12:48,270 now 2006 You said? Hmm. So I I was really busy, you know, with 188 00:12:48,270 --> 00:12:52,290 podcasting, building podcasting. 1.0. But I do remember the case. 189 00:12:52,650 --> 00:12:56,700 And what is interesting as I was like, not watching news at all, 190 00:12:56,700 --> 00:13:00,570 maybe headline but just like, just whatever trickled through 191 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:05,220 completely focus on something else. What I do not remember, is 192 00:13:05,220 --> 00:13:06,330 the victim being black. 193 00:13:07,380 --> 00:13:11,340 Yes, that's your whole that was the whole linchpin in the case. 194 00:13:11,370 --> 00:13:14,430 I don't I do not remember that. That didn't get through. It 195 00:13:14,430 --> 00:13:16,800 wasn't communicated. Of course, I wasn't doing media 196 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,060 deconstruction at the time. 197 00:13:18,119 --> 00:13:21,659 Alright. And that's the thing is kind of cool that we get to look 198 00:13:21,659 --> 00:13:24,989 back at this K. Yeah. Which no other podcasts probably never 199 00:13:24,989 --> 00:13:27,869 gonna talk about, again, maybe until like, five years from now 200 00:13:27,869 --> 00:13:29,909 when it's like the 20th anniversary, but we beat him to 201 00:13:29,909 --> 00:13:31,049 it. Um, 202 00:13:31,140 --> 00:13:34,410 so you but also what, what podcasts would have to host 203 00:13:34,410 --> 00:13:39,360 saying, hey, remember that Duke case? Yeah. Yeah. What? I don't 204 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,630 remember her being blackout. Right? No one would remember 205 00:13:42,630 --> 00:13:44,970 that. No one would even think to talk about it that way. 206 00:13:45,450 --> 00:13:48,870 And the fact that I like said, I lived in Durham, I was a huge, 207 00:13:48,930 --> 00:13:54,420 I'm a huge basketball fan. So it had a certain in certain 208 00:13:54,420 --> 00:13:56,790 connotations to being a Duke fan, which we'll get into as 209 00:13:56,790 --> 00:14:00,210 well. So I'm so guess we're going and getting the numbers 210 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,670 for people that people know this is Nancy Grace, if you didn't 211 00:14:02,670 --> 00:14:05,160 catch her voice, and this is part two of that clip. 212 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:09,000 Okay, and let me throw a stab at you. Okay, faults, rate 213 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,120 reporting, false sense of self salt reporting is somewhere 214 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:16,920 between the low numbers of two and 8%. Okay, so you can roll 215 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:21,480 all that money together? And it means not a hill of beans. In my 216 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,330 assessment of this case? Are you saying they're gonna hire high 217 00:14:24,330 --> 00:14:26,130 priced lawyers? Is that where you're going? 218 00:14:26,190 --> 00:14:29,880 No, I'm not going anywhere. I have some more stats. To look at 219 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,840 the incomes of these three towns where all three of these players 220 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,230 are from in Garden City, it's around 100,000 nest expels about 221 00:14:37,230 --> 00:14:40,620 150, which is very, very high in the United States. And in 222 00:14:40,620 --> 00:14:44,580 Durham, North Carolina. $43,000. And lastly, where they went to 223 00:14:44,580 --> 00:14:47,850 school if you're interested, these two private schools, they 224 00:14:47,850 --> 00:14:51,720 clock in at about $23,000 each. And of course, where the alleged 225 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:53,850 victim went. It's free. 226 00:14:54,330 --> 00:14:57,960 I want to go to Stephen Miller with Ed Conservative Union. 227 00:14:58,170 --> 00:15:01,410 Stephen Miller. What's yours? spots are the indictments handed 228 00:15:01,410 --> 00:15:02,430 down in the arrests? 229 00:15:03,030 --> 00:15:05,580 Well, I think I speak for many students when I say that we're 230 00:15:05,580 --> 00:15:09,510 very, very concerned that two innocent people may have 231 00:15:09,510 --> 00:15:10,080 possibly. 232 00:15:11,429 --> 00:15:16,169 Is this Stephen Miller? The the bald guy who is in the Trump 233 00:15:16,169 --> 00:15:20,159 administration? Yes. Yes. Interesting. What? What outfit 234 00:15:20,159 --> 00:15:21,689 was he with here? Let me see what 235 00:15:23,070 --> 00:15:27,570 the Duke something is something associated with do students? Do 236 00:15:27,570 --> 00:15:30,900 students something? I'm sorry. Um, I didn't catch that you 237 00:15:31,050 --> 00:15:31,410 started. 238 00:15:31,470 --> 00:15:34,170 Maybe? I'm gonna go back a little bit. Yeah, just I just 239 00:15:34,170 --> 00:15:37,080 thought was interesting that this guy pops up in 2006 in this 240 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,390 role is kind of cool. It's 241 00:15:39,390 --> 00:15:40,410 free. I 242 00:15:40,410 --> 00:15:43,920 want to go to Stephen Miller with a D Conservative Union. 243 00:15:44,220 --> 00:15:48,210 Deep Conservative Union. Conservative. How do 244 00:15:48,210 --> 00:15:51,240 Conservative Union? Yes. Okay. Got it. Stephen Miller. 245 00:15:51,570 --> 00:15:53,940 What's your response to the indictments handed down in the 246 00:15:53,940 --> 00:15:54,510 arrests? 247 00:15:55,170 --> 00:15:57,630 I think I speak for many students, when I say that we're 248 00:15:57,630 --> 00:16:01,560 very, very concerned that two innocent people may have 249 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:05,550 possibly just ever lives ruined. You're saying it's not possible. 250 00:16:05,550 --> 00:16:07,950 They're innocent. That's not even in the realm of possibility 251 00:16:08,010 --> 00:16:12,630 possible. But a grand jury has heard evidence and deems fit to 252 00:16:12,630 --> 00:16:16,350 go to a trial. And we're saying that ever hearing what the 253 00:16:16,350 --> 00:16:19,560 victim has to say, you're saying the great I'm not saying? I'm 254 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:23,190 not saying I'm convinced at all. And your first problem is to 255 00:16:23,220 --> 00:16:24,240 innocent people. I 256 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,370 said, I didn't say that. I said we're concerned that it's 257 00:16:26,370 --> 00:16:28,200 possible that two innocent people may have had their lives 258 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,800 ruined, because this case does have many irregularities and 259 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:33,630 many inconsistencies. Esther 260 00:16:34,260 --> 00:16:39,120 ah ha going to you ever sister. Oh, man, lo Are you? 261 00:16:39,689 --> 00:16:41,129 Are you seeing the parallels now? 262 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:45,420 Yeah, this is very, this was a yes. It's I love seeing this 263 00:16:45,420 --> 00:16:49,950 media job. Although, of course back in the day, it was only HLN 264 00:16:49,980 --> 00:16:56,040 headline news that that would do this type of reporting. And now 265 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:56,850 it's just everybody. 266 00:16:57,810 --> 00:17:01,530 Well, there were some big heavy hitters. I don't want to spoil 267 00:17:01,530 --> 00:17:04,050 anything, but there was some heavy hitters that jumped on the 268 00:17:04,500 --> 00:17:07,380 Duke is Duke lacrosse players is guilty bandwagon. 269 00:17:07,410 --> 00:17:10,380 Oh, lots of people. Sure. Yeah. 270 00:17:10,410 --> 00:17:17,970 So that's the crazy thing about it that um like I said, this is 271 00:17:17,970 --> 00:17:24,600 the first time you really saw the academia step up and take 272 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:30,390 shots at his own school and the media to you know, you're guilty 273 00:17:30,420 --> 00:17:34,890 for white men to say you're guilty until proven innocent. We 274 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:39,780 this this was not really seen before. And this is a very well 275 00:17:39,780 --> 00:17:41,070 how does that tell you're going 276 00:17:41,070 --> 00:17:43,620 to head there Ever Had there been anything like this or 277 00:17:43,620 --> 00:17:47,490 similar since Tawana Brawley in the in the 80s in New York? 278 00:17:47,940 --> 00:17:51,840 No, no Hatton. And that's the thing, man, this is like I said, 279 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:56,850 This is that time when? No, in most cases, this case would have 280 00:17:56,850 --> 00:18:01,290 been okay the cop show up listen to both sides of the story a you 281 00:18:01,290 --> 00:18:04,710 guys go ahead and shut the party down. You go home sleep it off. 282 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,980 And it would never been heard of. But there were political 283 00:18:07,980 --> 00:18:14,190 motives and social motives at play to take down the 284 00:18:14,190 --> 00:18:17,970 patriarchy. So this was like the first hit at the at the 285 00:18:17,970 --> 00:18:20,310 patriarchy and family and that kind of thing. 286 00:18:20,310 --> 00:18:24,000 Yeah. And that literal patriarchy sounds like. 287 00:18:24,300 --> 00:18:28,290 Yes. And you heard what she said, Who cares about what two 288 00:18:28,290 --> 00:18:32,010 innocent guys? You know, it's about what the victim and yeah, 289 00:18:32,070 --> 00:18:35,880 this, this plays into what you were saying about the VA, UVA 290 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:41,160 case. That's what this was the root of that. of the college 291 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:45,870 campus rape culture kind of thing. Oh, right. Right. Right. 292 00:18:45,870 --> 00:18:46,110 Right. 293 00:18:46,110 --> 00:18:48,990 The rape culture that yes, I remember now. Yeah. Yeah. 294 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:53,160 Yep. So this is this. This is the this is the big daddy of 295 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,010 them all. I guess we can go ahead and get into Part Three 296 00:18:56,010 --> 00:18:56,280 now, 297 00:18:56,669 --> 00:18:59,969 because this case does have many irregularities and many 298 00:18:59,969 --> 00:19:03,599 inconsistencies. Yes, I do. But I would appreciate it. 299 00:19:03,810 --> 00:19:06,810 I mean, got a mother. I mean, what your first concern is that 300 00:19:06,810 --> 00:19:08,670 somebody is falsely accused Don't 301 00:19:08,700 --> 00:19:10,770 Don't tell me what my first concern is please, my first 302 00:19:11,940 --> 00:19:14,940 out of your mouth. Maybe I'm crazy. I don't wear hearing. 303 00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:17,970 That was my first concern when I first heard these allegations 304 00:19:18,420 --> 00:19:21,810 was that a innocent woman had been raped. That was the first 305 00:19:21,810 --> 00:19:25,860 thing that came to my mind. But as the facts start to come out, 306 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,860 there was many irregularities and inconsistencies that 307 00:19:28,860 --> 00:19:30,690 troubled me like many other people, you've talked on the 308 00:19:30,690 --> 00:19:33,990 show about how she had bruises on her the day after, but a 309 00:19:33,990 --> 00:19:38,280 photo before before the alleged rape occurred shows that she had 310 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,400 bruises and open sores on her body. We also had the 311 00:19:42,360 --> 00:19:47,520 Newsweek says at 1203 Yeah, what Newsweek says 312 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,300 that in the report, it says that there already bruises at 12 we 313 00:19:51,300 --> 00:19:51,840 get another 314 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,860 reaction from Monica Johnson Hossler, the executive director 315 00:19:55,860 --> 00:19:59,010 of North Carolina coalition against sex assault, your 316 00:19:59,010 --> 00:20:03,510 response I think what I would say to this, Nancy is and as Dr. 317 00:20:03,510 --> 00:20:06,600 Baker spoke to earlier, that when you have rape victims, 318 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:10,590 oftentimes the story would seem, as Mr. Miller just stated, 319 00:20:10,770 --> 00:20:14,700 irregular, inconsistent. And I think the reality is that the 320 00:20:14,700 --> 00:20:18,180 story often comes back to the victim in pieces. Because as Dr. 321 00:20:18,180 --> 00:20:21,570 Baker Baker always also said, that it's something that you 322 00:20:21,570 --> 00:20:24,300 don't necessarily want to call recall and talk about at that 323 00:20:24,300 --> 00:20:26,790 point. So I think that's the first thing I want to say about 324 00:20:26,790 --> 00:20:30,600 this case is we shouldn't use the word irregular, or it 325 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,870 changes but really think to the fact that this is something that 326 00:20:33,870 --> 00:20:36,540 people are asking over and over again, the sexual assault nurse 327 00:20:36,540 --> 00:20:41,100 examiner, law enforcement, her parents, her family, everybody 328 00:20:41,100 --> 00:20:42,150 wants to know what's happened. 329 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:52,320 Man, so yeah, so they had it out for him. And it's a reason why 330 00:20:52,350 --> 00:20:59,100 Duke is the epitome of whiteness. Um, and what I mean 331 00:20:59,100 --> 00:21:04,170 by whiteness is the Wasp aspect of it the white Anglo Saxon 332 00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:10,260 posture, male Sure. The way Duke got his money off of tobacco and 333 00:21:10,290 --> 00:21:12,090 other things that we're gonna get into later 334 00:21:12,090 --> 00:21:15,750 is very problematic. Mo. Yeah, this was the 335 00:21:15,750 --> 00:21:19,500 perfect and people hate do I mean, if there's a literal hate, 336 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:20,550 for do? 337 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,270 Okay, so this has to be some kind of setup, then I'm just 338 00:21:24,270 --> 00:21:25,920 gonna, I'm just gonna jump ahead. 339 00:21:26,460 --> 00:21:30,300 Yeah, I mean, we're not gonna it's not gonna do spoilers not 340 00:21:30,300 --> 00:21:32,730 gonna be an outcome of the case, because the case is 15 years old 341 00:21:32,730 --> 00:21:36,120 people know how it ends? Yeah, sure. It was the it was the, 342 00:21:36,360 --> 00:21:41,310 when you look back through it now through the 2021 lens. And 343 00:21:41,310 --> 00:21:44,280 what we've seen now you look at this case, it's like, oh, yeah, 344 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,610 this was clearly your set like you're you are you rip it out? 345 00:21:47,610 --> 00:21:51,180 And this is, this is a setup, because he's not there. 346 00:21:51,179 --> 00:21:54,509 Do we need to? For people who don't know living in different 347 00:21:54,509 --> 00:21:57,059 countries? Do we need to talk about the outcome? So they have 348 00:21:57,059 --> 00:21:59,729 that for the context? Or is it okay, just to go forward? 349 00:21:59,820 --> 00:22:03,840 Well, this next clip jumps forward, okay, this in close to 350 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,470 modern day times. So it will explain what happened in the 351 00:22:07,470 --> 00:22:11,490 case, Aleksei you big got off, let me just say that right now, 352 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,780 they got off, and rightfully so. But this is Nancy Grace. And 353 00:22:15,780 --> 00:22:19,410 she's gonna be called to how she held a case, by Jim Norton and 354 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:20,580 Sam Roberts. 355 00:22:21,090 --> 00:22:25,560 I never dreamed growing up on a dirt road in the middle of 356 00:22:25,740 --> 00:22:29,700 nowhere, as some people would say that I would ever have a 357 00:22:29,700 --> 00:22:36,180 show on HLN. So it was beyond anything I'd ever really dreamed 358 00:22:36,180 --> 00:22:36,510 of. 359 00:22:37,170 --> 00:22:39,180 Did you get it? Did they ask you to leave? Or did you want to 360 00:22:39,180 --> 00:22:40,710 leave? I wouldn't 361 00:22:40,740 --> 00:22:43,830 say that I wanted to leave. I felt like it was the right time 362 00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:48,270 for me to leave. Because I'm leaving behind a lot that I'm 363 00:22:48,270 --> 00:22:49,470 going to I want to get. 364 00:22:49,709 --> 00:22:52,499 I had like, well, I'll be honest, I had a problem with you 365 00:22:52,499 --> 00:22:55,709 for a long time, because I felt like you were capitalizing on 366 00:22:55,979 --> 00:22:59,309 tragedies. And I'm sure you were accused of that before where 367 00:22:59,669 --> 00:23:01,409 were you capitalizing on this stuff? 368 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,270 As a crime victim myself, I guess it's the way you look at 369 00:23:06,270 --> 00:23:10,680 the world. I invite crime victims on and tell stories from 370 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:15,390 their point of view, I help find missing people and help solve 371 00:23:15,420 --> 00:23:22,230 unsolved homicides. So what I we tried to do is take a story. And 372 00:23:22,230 --> 00:23:25,830 I bought this really from my law school days, where I would have 373 00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:30,330 to condense a very difficult and convoluted case into something 374 00:23:30,330 --> 00:23:34,830 simple, and did with juries to break down complicated and 375 00:23:34,830 --> 00:23:42,900 convoluted facts and give it to them. 123. That's how I look at 376 00:23:42,900 --> 00:23:49,260 cases, I usually come up with a moniker and for whatever case it 377 00:23:49,260 --> 00:23:52,740 is, it could be the scenario, it could be the defendant, and 378 00:23:52,740 --> 00:23:53,520 that's what I call it. 379 00:23:53,580 --> 00:23:56,670 And then do we have to ask you what to do grape case? Because 380 00:23:56,670 --> 00:23:58,830 you know, look, I underst I thought those guys were probably 381 00:23:58,830 --> 00:24:01,110 guilty too. When I first saw that they didn't look it didn't 382 00:24:01,110 --> 00:24:04,200 look good. But then you would have been pretty hard and and 383 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:08,610 Mike Nifong got. I guess he was just barred. And you didn't? Or 384 00:24:08,610 --> 00:24:10,770 did you come on and clear it up? And I just thought it was well, 385 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:11,280 if you 386 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:15,330 read the transcripts before you asked me the question. There was 387 00:24:15,330 --> 00:24:19,110 no point that I ever said these guys are guilty, although it's 388 00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:21,810 been commonly and very happily portrayed that I did. 389 00:24:23,700 --> 00:24:29,490 Wow. I'm thinking to Nancy Grace could be a pretty good 390 00:24:29,850 --> 00:24:31,650 propaganda agent. 391 00:24:32,190 --> 00:24:36,750 She is I mean, you heard what she said. She says she's able to 392 00:24:37,020 --> 00:24:38,130 boil down boil it 393 00:24:38,130 --> 00:24:42,990 down to 3123. Boom, you got a jury? Yeah, that's a skill 394 00:24:43,020 --> 00:24:47,430 casting spells. That's that's an example of casting spells. And 395 00:24:47,970 --> 00:24:53,220 then she says that, oh, she grew up on a poor dirt road. Now, 396 00:24:53,310 --> 00:24:57,810 this plays into the fact that this could be the source of hate 397 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:03,240 that she had for dude. And he's pretty These are the dude, these 398 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:08,160 Duke lacrosse players were like the epitome of preppy douchebag 399 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,690 cocky jerks kind of thing. You know what I mean? Like they were 400 00:25:12,690 --> 00:25:15,600 the epitome of that. And you heard what she says she grew up 401 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,890 on our poor dirt road. So as you saw this endurance live in 402 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:24,450 Macon, Georgia. Yeah. So yeah, but you saw this living in 403 00:25:24,450 --> 00:25:28,200 Durham that a lot of people that went to Duke came from up north 404 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,010 out of New York, as you heard what the three guys that he laid 405 00:25:32,010 --> 00:25:35,940 out where they were from there in the, in the state of New 406 00:25:35,940 --> 00:25:40,230 York, rich, kind of, you know, like, say, waspy people that 407 00:25:40,230 --> 00:25:45,150 come down south for the Southern Living. So they're not natural 408 00:25:45,180 --> 00:25:48,600 to that geographic area. So there's always going to be 409 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:54,450 conflict between the local white people and the Duke students. 410 00:25:54,540 --> 00:25:58,140 Oh, yeah. No, I thought this is great context. I had no idea. I 411 00:25:58,140 --> 00:26:02,040 don't know anything about Nancy Grace. Yeah, so I shoot now I'm 412 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,150 looking at it now. 413 00:26:03,570 --> 00:26:06,600 So when she led off with that I grew up in a poor dirt road. 414 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,020 That was her. I believe that was part of her motive. Like these 415 00:26:10,020 --> 00:26:12,480 rich, no preppy, right. 416 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,600 Wow. Yeah, that's totally makes sense with the first clip where 417 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:20,820 she's like, Oh, no, don't tell me. Yeah, okay. Got it. Yeah. 418 00:26:21,300 --> 00:26:25,110 And then the fact like says, she says she can No, boil it down to 419 00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:28,920 two or three words. That's why we saw the Kenosha kid. We see 420 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,840 the kind of thing and we see these types of things now that 421 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,750 play out where they just boil down. 422 00:26:34,830 --> 00:26:41,130 To 2123. Braces, Kid douchebag. No, good. Guilty. 423 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,510 Yep. So that mean, just to give it context, and you heard her, 424 00:26:45,540 --> 00:26:48,810 um, this she said she didn't ever say that they were guilty. 425 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:53,280 But in the previous clip, she said false. Rape victims only 426 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,180 say that I mean, are only occur, like maybe 8% of the time, the 427 00:26:57,180 --> 00:27:00,150 number she threw out there. Yeah. So she said, nine, there's 428 00:27:00,150 --> 00:27:03,960 only 90% chance they're guilty. That's what she the way she put 429 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,340 that. But I know 430 00:27:05,340 --> 00:27:08,160 a lot of people who would do stuff like that, and do put in a 431 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,310 little tricky words, as I'm looking at you divorce, little 432 00:27:11,310 --> 00:27:14,070 tricky words and come back. And they're like, no, no, no, no, I 433 00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:15,930 never said that. Okay. 434 00:27:16,409 --> 00:27:20,399 Give yourself out. She gave herself she never said it. Um, 435 00:27:20,459 --> 00:27:23,489 and you said, she said, read the transcripts. She never said it. 436 00:27:23,489 --> 00:27:28,949 But she also floated the idea that they were guilty. He said, 437 00:27:28,949 --> 00:27:31,499 Who cares about these innocent kids? You know, that kind of 438 00:27:31,499 --> 00:27:33,929 thing. She said, You're gonna lead with two innocent people, 439 00:27:34,259 --> 00:27:37,769 which is a br Laurier. I was spent more from her, because she 440 00:27:37,769 --> 00:27:41,639 said that she went to law school. So I think there should 441 00:27:41,639 --> 00:27:44,249 be the first thing in being a lawyer. But that goes to show 442 00:27:44,249 --> 00:27:49,349 you these people don't care anything about law and justice 443 00:27:49,379 --> 00:27:52,049 mean, they don't care about law. They care about justice. And as 444 00:27:52,049 --> 00:27:57,089 we said that justice is not what they what we term it's also with 445 00:27:57,089 --> 00:27:57,659 equity, 446 00:27:57,930 --> 00:28:04,050 with respect to lawyers, people who have studied law and and 447 00:28:04,140 --> 00:28:07,830 it's easy for people to hate lawyers, which but I don't I 448 00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:11,010 have many of my friends are lawyers. But the it's like 449 00:28:11,010 --> 00:28:13,350 you're blessed. Many of my friends are black. And many of 450 00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:20,700 my friends are lawyers. I'm so blessed. Yes. No, but if you 451 00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:24,570 look at who's on television, if you look at who's in Congress 452 00:28:24,570 --> 00:28:29,520 now that's changing is a hell. Just a heck of a lot of lawyers. 453 00:28:30,090 --> 00:28:33,150 Almost prerequisite almost. Yeah, yeah. You have to study 454 00:28:33,150 --> 00:28:37,140 law. And and I'm always amazed that Fox Can I always find the 455 00:28:37,140 --> 00:28:39,870 hot looking lawyers. That's that's the thing that always 456 00:28:39,870 --> 00:28:45,270 amazes me. But yeah, is you have to have a law degree and that 457 00:28:45,330 --> 00:28:47,760 it's like just you're just learning. But you know, some 458 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:52,080 special language and you know, some certain certain things by 459 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,570 heart and you understand some principles, and then you're good 460 00:28:54,570 --> 00:28:56,580 to go. You're in a whole different atmosphere, a whole 461 00:28:56,580 --> 00:28:57,720 different stratosphere. 462 00:28:59,550 --> 00:29:02,880 Where the problem with law is you should be no, whatever the 463 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,840 facts say. But, like with journalism that we're seeing, 464 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,780 everything becomes opinion, exact. Now, it's about a period 465 00:29:09,780 --> 00:29:13,440 and it's what we saw Nancy Grace, it was about opinion. Um, 466 00:29:13,980 --> 00:29:20,640 so yeah, so they got the the guys got off, I guess this would 467 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,400 be a good time to get some of the details of the case before 468 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,760 we move forward. Okay, just to let you know what we're always 469 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,730 hearing on the ground because I was hearing this from local 470 00:29:29,730 --> 00:29:33,210 news. Just wake up in the morning, get ready for work. And 471 00:29:33,210 --> 00:29:37,140 this is the news story that we kind of heard. And it was 472 00:29:37,140 --> 00:29:43,950 basically when it first hit. It was that she was raped by 20 473 00:29:43,980 --> 00:29:47,820 lacrosse players, right. That was the rumor on the street. I 474 00:29:47,820 --> 00:29:51,360 mean, that I'm just giving you what was going around town that 475 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,200 she was raped, raped by 20 lacrosse players, including a 476 00:29:55,200 --> 00:30:01,860 broom handle. Um, so everything was in Since and inflamed Wow, 477 00:30:01,950 --> 00:30:04,440 but that wasn't reported on the radio that was just the word on 478 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:05,010 the street. 479 00:30:05,460 --> 00:30:08,250 Well it was kind of alluded to because there's some there's 480 00:30:08,250 --> 00:30:13,470 some facts to each individual thing I pointed out because her 481 00:30:13,470 --> 00:30:18,120 original claim was that she was attacked by 20 guys and then she 482 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,750 bought it down to three and there was some kind of 483 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,680 altercation between her and she was another stripper there with 484 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,800 her behind just okay let me back it up a little bit just common 485 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:33,210 assume nobody knows everything No, sir. So alright, so what 486 00:30:33,210 --> 00:30:37,080 happened was the lacrosse players wanted to have a party. 487 00:30:37,500 --> 00:30:42,510 They caught up a escort service order to white strippers, and 488 00:30:42,510 --> 00:30:45,690 they got a black and a half, you know, an a black and half black. 489 00:30:46,110 --> 00:30:49,680 So I mean, that kind of ruined their party, because they were 490 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,130 looking for, you know, white girls. So the black girls come 491 00:30:53,130 --> 00:30:57,420 there, Miss Mangum, the one that gives a be an accuser. She's 492 00:30:57,420 --> 00:31:01,050 high and drunk when she shows up. There's a confrontation 493 00:31:01,050 --> 00:31:05,670 between her and the players and then the other stripper and the 494 00:31:05,670 --> 00:31:09,750 players about penis size and they're being too small, that 495 00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:13,590 kind of thing and one of the players brandishes a broomstick 496 00:31:13,890 --> 00:31:17,160 and suggest that he'll use it as its next toy. So that's how the 497 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,910 broom came into the room. If somebody is telling you this is 498 00:31:20,910 --> 00:31:26,700 how I'm cuz it was very inflamed and dark, very inflamed to the 499 00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:26,970 point. 500 00:31:27,450 --> 00:31:31,200 The police received a 911 call from a woman complaining that 501 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,320 white men gathered outside the home where the party took place 502 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,200 had called her racial slurs and threatened to sodomized her with 503 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,010 a broomstick. 504 00:31:38,430 --> 00:31:43,260 Right but the rumor was that she was sodomized with a broomstick 505 00:31:43,290 --> 00:31:46,530 and attacked by 20 men yeah so you imagine that hitting the 506 00:31:46,530 --> 00:31:50,580 ground you know like a lock locking go halfway around the 507 00:31:50,580 --> 00:31:53,070 world before the truth now in some kind of thing choose 508 00:31:53,070 --> 00:31:58,470 2006 mo what was what was your communications network with your 509 00:31:58,470 --> 00:31:59,130 friends if 510 00:32:00,750 --> 00:32:05,250 we had we had internet but we no email there anything? Was really 511 00:32:05,250 --> 00:32:06,030 phone call. Was 512 00:32:06,030 --> 00:32:07,080 it MySpace? 513 00:32:07,980 --> 00:32:08,850 Next to chirps. 514 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:10,920 Next tail chirps. 515 00:32:11,220 --> 00:32:14,340 Yeah, like the next. walkie talkies. That was a that was a 516 00:32:14,340 --> 00:32:14,940 big thing. 517 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,080 No, 518 00:32:16,140 --> 00:32:17,490 you really have those. 519 00:32:17,790 --> 00:32:22,140 Yeah, that was the that was the thing. That was the real shirt. 520 00:32:22,170 --> 00:32:26,460 Yes. That was the theme thing. Yeah. 521 00:32:26,550 --> 00:32:30,660 Oh, man. What now? Do they have range? Or do they talk to? They 522 00:32:30,660 --> 00:32:31,980 talk to the network, didn't they? 523 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,560 Yeah, it was you talk to the network. It just came through as 524 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:35,940 like a walkie talkie shirt. 525 00:32:36,450 --> 00:32:37,650 And who could you talk to? 526 00:32:38,250 --> 00:32:42,900 Anybody else that they had next to? No, I'm just kidding. I'm 527 00:32:42,900 --> 00:32:43,560 dating myself. 528 00:32:44,700 --> 00:32:46,920 I'd forgotten all about this man. 529 00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:52,080 Oh, yeah. That was that was the that was the that was the you 530 00:32:52,410 --> 00:32:54,570 know, to LCG mix to 531 00:32:56,700 --> 00:32:59,790 goodness. That's that's yes to funny, man. I love that. 532 00:33:00,660 --> 00:33:04,170 So now another thing that came out was the MC fat and email and 533 00:33:04,170 --> 00:33:07,260 this was a couple of hours at the party and it Robert fat and 534 00:33:07,290 --> 00:33:10,500 a member of the lacrosse team sent an email to other plants 535 00:33:10,500 --> 00:33:17,760 and he plans to have a go. Strip. Oh, yes. Rashad say that. 536 00:33:18,540 --> 00:33:21,600 That was the that was a status symbol thing that was like the 537 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:22,860 iPhone before the iPhone. 538 00:33:22,889 --> 00:33:25,259 Yeah, exactly. So Okay. All right. I got you know. 539 00:33:26,340 --> 00:33:30,120 Yeah. So there was an email that was sent around. And it was 540 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,140 saying that to whom it may concern not tomorrow night after 541 00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:39,090 tonight's show. I'll decide to have some strippers over to 542 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:43,170 eating See, I think that's the address. wherever their address 543 00:33:43,170 --> 00:33:48,390 was all welcome. However, there will be no nudity. I plan on 544 00:33:48,390 --> 00:33:52,380 killing their bitches or see my language as soon as they walk in 545 00:33:52,860 --> 00:33:57,390 and proceeding to cut their skin off. Wow, excuse my language 546 00:33:57,390 --> 00:34:03,360 here coming in my do issue spandex call and massage arch 547 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,410 tak to the team members, please respond. So that that was a 548 00:34:07,410 --> 00:34:15,270 reference to American Psycho, I believe. But the DA took it into 549 00:34:15,510 --> 00:34:20,340 context took it serious threat. Right. So they invited but they 550 00:34:20,340 --> 00:34:24,120 weren't. They wanted white girls before email was even sent out. 551 00:34:24,570 --> 00:34:28,410 So that's the weird thing, but they made it seem like this is a 552 00:34:28,410 --> 00:34:34,230 modern day, not Klan rally. Oh, wow. Yeah, it was it was a it 553 00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:38,640 was a huge thing. But the funny thing was, is no, none of that 554 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:43,800 stablishment machine, as you will say like the NAACP, anybody 555 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:48,600 really touched this. Because dude has do we have power we're 556 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,240 gonna get we'll go ahead and get to some of that. But before we 557 00:34:51,240 --> 00:34:57,720 do, they had to go to the beat Team of race hustlers. And this 558 00:34:57,720 --> 00:35:02,190 was a guy named Mike leet shabads of the new Black Panther 559 00:35:02,190 --> 00:35:05,550 Party, not the new new Black Panther Party, but the newest 560 00:35:05,580 --> 00:35:09,510 generation at that time. And he's on with Michelle Malkin 561 00:35:09,660 --> 00:35:14,460 from Fox News and this is after the charges have been dismissed. 562 00:35:14,460 --> 00:35:18,030 I apologize that we're going out of order. But it'll make sense 563 00:35:18,030 --> 00:35:20,430 in a minute, but here they are their exchange. 564 00:35:20,940 --> 00:35:23,670 In the factor follow up segment tonight. As you may know, the 565 00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:26,940 Attorney General of North Carolina has dropped all charges 566 00:35:26,940 --> 00:35:29,340 against three Duke lacrosse players who were accused of 567 00:35:29,340 --> 00:35:32,880 rape, sexual assault and kidnapping last spring. When 568 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,850 that happened, the new Black Panther Party descended on the 569 00:35:35,850 --> 00:35:38,370 Duke campus demanding justice. 570 00:35:38,670 --> 00:35:43,710 We will be here from gavel to gavel to when the final jury 571 00:35:43,770 --> 00:35:48,480 verdict is read. And we demand and are pursuing that this jury 572 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:53,010 verdict come back. Guilty. Gets the accused. It should come 573 00:35:53,010 --> 00:35:59,730 back. What is it come back? What do you find? The two defendants 574 00:35:59,730 --> 00:36:01,620 the three defendants in this case. 575 00:36:03,660 --> 00:36:06,300 When a case started to fall apart, Malik Shabazz, the 576 00:36:06,300 --> 00:36:09,330 General Counsel of the Panthers entered the no spin zone. 577 00:36:10,260 --> 00:36:12,810 But I never said they were guilty of rape. I said they were 578 00:36:12,810 --> 00:36:17,760 guilty. And I still stand. Say that this case is a strong case 579 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,750 for sexual assault, kidnapping charges that can and probably 580 00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:25,410 will lead these young men leave these young man behind prison 581 00:36:25,410 --> 00:36:26,100 walls and in 582 00:36:26,130 --> 00:36:30,060 cases drop will indicate to you this society is racist. 583 00:36:30,690 --> 00:36:33,450 It will be proved to me that Mike Nifong doesn't know what 584 00:36:33,450 --> 00:36:35,490 he's doing. Wow, 585 00:36:35,490 --> 00:36:39,510 I love that. No, no, I didn't say guilty of rape. Dude guilty 586 00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:42,360 of being white. You know, they were just guilty, man. 587 00:36:42,750 --> 00:36:46,410 Now, are you seeing similarities now to last show? 588 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,310 Yeah. What's interesting is that this is this is happening on Fox 589 00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:52,110 News at the time with Bill O'Reilly. 590 00:36:53,010 --> 00:36:58,440 Yeah, it's that he's playing a roller Tucker. Yeah, it is 591 00:36:58,470 --> 00:37:02,640 definitely like a, you know, a repeat of history. But 592 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,200 history or just repeat of the act. 593 00:37:07,710 --> 00:37:10,410 When the cat the council, I mean, the council blueprint, 594 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,500 this is mercy. The only difference was this was pre 595 00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:17,640 social media, right? And pre all that you know, is take away your 596 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,330 next tell chirp, right, so you can get the information. And 597 00:37:21,330 --> 00:37:25,410 this is kind of where Black Lives Matter was kind of birthed 598 00:37:25,410 --> 00:37:29,460 out of the fact that you had to depend on militia bands to get 599 00:37:29,460 --> 00:37:33,750 the Black Panther Party to show up. I mean, they couldn't make 600 00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:37,380 it and get boots on the ground or get people to show up as 601 00:37:37,380 --> 00:37:39,870 easily as they could Black Lives Matter when they came through 602 00:37:39,870 --> 00:37:43,830 with the whole social media apparatus that can mobilize 603 00:37:43,830 --> 00:37:48,060 people. This could have been very bad if it was then. I mean, 604 00:37:48,090 --> 00:37:54,000 if social media was around in like it is even what, two three 605 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:54,630 years later? 606 00:37:55,470 --> 00:37:59,430 Yeah, it was just about well, Twitter was coming coming in 607 00:37:59,460 --> 00:38:03,660 around this time. It was or Facebook, at least for sure. 608 00:38:04,380 --> 00:38:06,990 Right. So I mean, just saying this is this, this is how it 609 00:38:06,990 --> 00:38:09,720 used to work. And this is why like people like Al Sharpton 610 00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:12,780 were so valuable then, because he would get these kind of guys 611 00:38:12,780 --> 00:38:15,570 on the phone like, hey, we need boots, you know, down in a Yeah, 612 00:38:15,570 --> 00:38:15,990 he 613 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,320 could mobilize his action network. Right. 614 00:38:20,340 --> 00:38:23,100 So let's go ahead and listen to the second part of this. 615 00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:24,690 Knockout. 616 00:38:25,830 --> 00:38:29,160 Mr. shabam joins us from Washington. Good evening. What 617 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,230 do you have to say for yourself? Now, Mr. Shabazz, 618 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,650 I have to say that I am disappointed in the terrible 619 00:38:34,650 --> 00:38:39,210 performance of magnifico, that the victim who the CIM the 620 00:38:39,210 --> 00:38:44,100 accuser, in this case, is a real victim here. And I still believe 621 00:38:44,100 --> 00:38:47,250 that something criminally went wrong in that house. And this 622 00:38:47,250 --> 00:38:51,600 case was bought was botched by prosecutors in this case. So I 623 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,800 will not apologize. And I will not apologize in my defense of 624 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,280 black women who have been raped and abused by white men. Over 625 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:04,260 1,600,000 Black women have been sexually assaulted and raped by 626 00:39:04,260 --> 00:39:07,590 white men since we came here on slave ships. None of them have 627 00:39:07,590 --> 00:39:11,070 been prosecuted. I will not apologize for defending black 628 00:39:11,070 --> 00:39:11,400 women. 629 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:16,530 You're not going to apologize to the Duke lacrosse team that you 630 00:39:16,530 --> 00:39:20,340 smeared that you convicted? Didn't you hear the North 631 00:39:20,340 --> 00:39:23,460 Carolina Attorney General's statement? Didn't you hear that? 632 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,510 That they that they're the evidence is that there was no 633 00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:29,490 attack? What exactly 634 00:39:29,490 --> 00:39:32,460 are that? I didn't hear that. I'm a criminal defense attorney. 635 00:39:32,670 --> 00:39:35,790 Many clients that I've had the cases have been dropped against 636 00:39:35,790 --> 00:39:39,570 them. But I can't say that nothing went wrong. What I hear 637 00:39:39,570 --> 00:39:43,560 is political pressure that a powerful white university with 638 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:48,300 powerful rich white defendants. Woman The case has been thrown 639 00:39:48,300 --> 00:39:51,720 out but me phone didn't interview the witness and charge 640 00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:57,000 the case properly. Me phone nine didn't give a exculpatory 641 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,110 evidence to the defense. It is Nifong, who bites This case, and 642 00:40:01,110 --> 00:40:05,130 all women who will bring sexual assault charges in the future 643 00:40:05,130 --> 00:40:06,840 are adversely affected by this. 644 00:40:07,890 --> 00:40:17,250 Wow, that's so similar with the blaming the lame ass. Lawyers 645 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,720 Hold on a second. How, what is this? Over 1 million black women 646 00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:24,210 have been raped by white men since the beginning of the 647 00:40:24,210 --> 00:40:26,400 country. What is this all about? Is this a number, 648 00:40:26,460 --> 00:40:31,980 Dr. plantation? I know rapes. But I don't know where he got 649 00:40:31,980 --> 00:40:33,270 that number from, I don't know. 650 00:40:34,740 --> 00:40:36,030 How do you get a number? 651 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,560 I mean, who knows what the number is. But it rolls off the 652 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:45,150 tongue. It's a good push back. He knew he was wrong. He knew 653 00:40:45,150 --> 00:40:48,720 that had no case. And he got duped. He got got I mean that 654 00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:54,120 that's all it is to it. And, um, as you heard him say Nikon is at 655 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,840 the center of this, which nightfall has some very ulterior 656 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,780 motives for pushing this case and let it go as far as he is. 657 00:41:01,140 --> 00:41:05,190 But he did bring up one great point. These are powerful white 658 00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:10,380 boys, young men from powerful families, and they're backed by 659 00:41:10,380 --> 00:41:13,890 one of the biggest powers. I mean, you can't even imagine how 660 00:41:13,890 --> 00:41:18,300 powerful Duke is. Seriously. Um, the only thing I could equate it 661 00:41:18,300 --> 00:41:22,650 to I have a clip here for show 66 Go back and make Duke has the 662 00:41:22,650 --> 00:41:28,320 same relationship with DERM that John Hopkins has with Baltimore. 663 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:31,740 Yes. Okay. 664 00:41:32,460 --> 00:41:35,700 Let's get to this clip. And that takes me to my next question. 665 00:41:35,820 --> 00:41:40,410 The relationship between Hopkins and the local black residents in 666 00:41:40,410 --> 00:41:44,790 East Baltimore. You know, you talk about and the relationship 667 00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:48,540 of medical institutions in general, you talk about, from 668 00:41:48,540 --> 00:41:53,250 doctors to Robin graves. He have a section a book about that, 669 00:41:53,250 --> 00:41:57,510 which is really fascinating. You talk about how Hopkins was known 670 00:41:57,510 --> 00:42:02,850 as the plantation. And, you know, there's also people like 671 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,200 Henrietta Lacks who, whose genetic material was harvested 672 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,390 by Hopkins without consent as well. 673 00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:15,930 That's true. And so one of the Hopkins presidents once said 674 00:42:15,930 --> 00:42:20,820 that Hopkins is a is not a good neighbor. And all this has come 675 00:42:20,820 --> 00:42:25,830 to play in East Baltimore for people remember the days when a 676 00:42:25,830 --> 00:42:31,050 1200 the home so 1200 black people were demolished in order 677 00:42:31,050 --> 00:42:37,440 for Hopkins to construct a dormitory housing 205, POCs and 678 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:42,750 doctors. So there's lots of distrust towards the Hopkins and 679 00:42:42,750 --> 00:42:47,160 in the recent controversies that we all talk about. All this has 680 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:51,060 come to play everything that Hopkins has done in the past all 681 00:42:51,060 --> 00:42:55,410 its crimes have have been mentioned to Henrietta Lacks 682 00:42:55,950 --> 00:42:59,370 experiments with lead paint all kinds of stuff. 683 00:43:00,420 --> 00:43:02,460 Yeah, fine bunch of people. 684 00:43:02,820 --> 00:43:07,350 So as the plantation I mean, in I don't mean in a disrespectful 685 00:43:07,350 --> 00:43:14,400 way. But what I mean, is they, they generate so much jobs and 686 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:15,720 money and but also 687 00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:19,830 James Buchanan, who established Duke, he had tobacco 688 00:43:19,830 --> 00:43:20,730 plantations, 689 00:43:21,059 --> 00:43:24,029 that I mean, yeah, that's where it comes out. But even when 690 00:43:24,029 --> 00:43:28,229 slavery ended, it was the same mentality sure that you had to 691 00:43:28,229 --> 00:43:31,469 either work at Duke or work at one of the, you know, 692 00:43:31,590 --> 00:43:35,010 the American way Mo, what are you complaining about? America? 693 00:43:35,550 --> 00:43:38,820 Yeah, the Americans, but the weird thing is, is that it's you 694 00:43:38,820 --> 00:43:42,210 have this large number of black people. Because dharma at one 695 00:43:42,210 --> 00:43:46,590 point was like, 5050. Yeah. So it's this weird relationship 696 00:43:46,590 --> 00:43:50,700 between you have a large number of black people but they're 697 00:43:50,700 --> 00:43:51,720 dependent upon 698 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,950 all the white people in the in the powerful center of the 699 00:43:57,660 --> 00:44:01,290 it's really one family, it's the Duke, the Duke Family, because 700 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,260 we're gonna get into the Duke history and how power I don't. 701 00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:08,070 When people you make a dumb ask this question, before we get 702 00:44:08,070 --> 00:44:10,800 into that, when you think of Duke, what do you hear when you 703 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:10,980 think, 704 00:44:11,249 --> 00:44:13,919 Okay, I'm glad you asked me that. Because I was I was 705 00:44:13,919 --> 00:44:17,939 actually going to ask you why. When we think of top 706 00:44:17,939 --> 00:44:21,809 universities, is Duke rarely mentioned. It's always Stanford. 707 00:44:21,839 --> 00:44:25,379 It's Harvard at Yale. Why is Duke rarely mentioned? I'm not 708 00:44:25,379 --> 00:44:28,949 quite sure why and Now, mind you, I didn't really go through 709 00:44:28,949 --> 00:44:33,299 the to the US school system. I went to Salem College, West 710 00:44:33,299 --> 00:44:36,689 Virginia just for three months. It was not for me, so I don't 711 00:44:36,689 --> 00:44:40,289 understand the affinity even with university. I although I 712 00:44:40,289 --> 00:44:44,459 comprehend it. I don't know I mean, I'm looking at Duke right 713 00:44:44,459 --> 00:44:47,789 now. I'm going Holy crap. 50 Rhodes Scholars amongst alumni. 714 00:44:47,789 --> 00:44:50,999 This is a very powerful entity. This is a this is a powerful 715 00:44:50,999 --> 00:44:53,309 group of people and I don't know why it's never mentioned. 716 00:44:53,729 --> 00:44:56,519 amongst all the other Ivy League elite schools. 717 00:44:57,090 --> 00:45:03,900 They they're Ivy League but not an IV, you know, in a weird way 718 00:45:03,900 --> 00:45:09,990 because it's in the South. That's one thing. Um, and it's 719 00:45:10,110 --> 00:45:14,460 the way that family set it up to be that way. Even though it's 720 00:45:16,410 --> 00:45:20,640 very high level of school I mean institute of higher learning 721 00:45:20,970 --> 00:45:24,240 they have of their, their preppy, but they're humble at 722 00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:27,150 the same time. It's the wisdom, the founders that made it this 723 00:45:27,150 --> 00:45:31,350 way. So I want to get into some history but you only mentioned 724 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:37,170 the university. These entered this, this family was in use in 725 00:45:37,170 --> 00:45:40,770 tobacco, which tobacco it was like the lifeblood of North 726 00:45:40,770 --> 00:45:45,510 Carolina. Yeah, but they got into other things as well. And 727 00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:49,080 this is how they willed it so much power, the Duke Family. So 728 00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,590 what I have now is the Duke Family history with Robert 729 00:45:52,590 --> 00:45:56,610 Durden, which he is the universe. You do University 730 00:45:56,610 --> 00:46:00,270 emeritus professor, and author of numerous books on Mr. Duke, 731 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,890 the Dukes marched to the their own drummer, they were 732 00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,400 independent minded people. And one of the best in the early 733 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:14,010 examples of that is right after the Civil War, when the 734 00:46:14,010 --> 00:46:18,420 Republican Party first comes into North Carolina, not existed 735 00:46:18,420 --> 00:46:21,480 anywhere in the South before the Civil War, but it comes into 736 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,920 this as part of reconstruction after the Civil War. Washington 737 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:30,090 dude became a Republican. And that was not a country club sort 738 00:46:30,090 --> 00:46:33,390 of thing to do. It was not a stylish thing to do at all, 739 00:46:33,390 --> 00:46:36,540 because in the asset, the white majority in Washington DC was 740 00:46:36,540 --> 00:46:39,450 one of our other white Republicans. They were known as 741 00:46:39,450 --> 00:46:43,170 scallywags. You know, the carpetbaggers were the northern 742 00:46:43,170 --> 00:46:47,160 born, Republicans who came south with the Republican Party in the 743 00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,640 South after the Civil War country consisted of the great 744 00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:55,530 majority of the African Americans got the vote. Most of 745 00:46:55,530 --> 00:47:00,300 the blacks became Republicans. carpetbaggers and scallywags. 746 00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:05,340 Washington, it became a lifelong Republican and so did Ben and 747 00:47:05,340 --> 00:47:10,020 book later two books idea of the greatest president the nation 748 00:47:10,020 --> 00:47:14,280 ever had was William McKinley. He had this huge statue of 749 00:47:14,700 --> 00:47:18,870 Kinley on his estate in New Jersey. I think dollars later 750 00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:23,340 gave it to some little town in Ohio. But they weren't afraid to 751 00:47:23,340 --> 00:47:23,940 be different. 752 00:47:26,250 --> 00:47:27,930 Think that kind of answers your question? 753 00:47:28,020 --> 00:47:31,530 Yeah, this is great. I had no idea about the Duke Family is 754 00:47:31,530 --> 00:47:32,340 fantastic. 755 00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:37,920 So they were lifelong Republican, they know, post 756 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,640 Civil War, which that made North Carolina that was a very 757 00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:44,370 unpopular thing, considering, you know, the Dixiecrats and 758 00:47:44,370 --> 00:47:49,800 that kind of thing, but they understood I believe, that they 759 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:56,700 still had a lot of black labor and to have good relations with 760 00:47:56,700 --> 00:48:00,090 that black labor force. You know, they had to have certain 761 00:48:00,090 --> 00:48:04,470 appearances. Sure. Um, but it's weird because there are Southern 762 00:48:04,470 --> 00:48:07,980 family. But then you have all these northerners that will come 763 00:48:08,010 --> 00:48:12,630 out of New York, New York, New Jersey area to come up the Yeah, 764 00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:15,750 that makes up the student body of do. So I can say this is 765 00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:19,680 weird microcosm. There are there's a very interesting city 766 00:48:20,070 --> 00:48:23,400 and just the makeup of it, and you know, the who wields the 767 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:28,320 power. But definitely Duke is the I say I use this don't use 768 00:48:28,350 --> 00:48:32,280 as disrespectful, especially to the people that work at Duke 769 00:48:32,340 --> 00:48:36,120 when I say it's the plantation, but it's that mentality of 770 00:48:36,540 --> 00:48:38,610 that's the single source of work. 771 00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:44,250 It's the same my buddy Dave is in Birmingham, Alabama and the 772 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:48,720 University of Alabama same thing everyone's worked for University 773 00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:53,040 of Alabama is huge research money, huge government money. I 774 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,950 mean, it's crazy. It's just you know, they control everything. 775 00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,940 Yeah, cuz you have the school. You have the tobacco or mean, 776 00:48:59,940 --> 00:49:03,870 which tobacco was kind of dead right now. But at the time, like 777 00:49:03,870 --> 00:49:07,620 when this was being created, a lot of black men weren't in 778 00:49:07,620 --> 00:49:13,470 those tobacco factories in tobacco warehouses and man made 779 00:49:13,470 --> 00:49:16,380 a good living. I don't know I mean, they made a very good 780 00:49:16,380 --> 00:49:19,800 living for yourself and for the skills they had, but they had 781 00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:24,000 even more power than that. And we can get and so on the part 782 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:24,330 two 783 00:49:25,410 --> 00:49:30,510 in 1896 I think it was Washington to the new president 784 00:49:30,510 --> 00:49:34,950 of Trinity College. Gilgo personal Kilgore that he would 785 00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:40,200 give Trinity $100,000 which was a lot of money then. If Trinity 786 00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:45,120 would admit women on an equal footing with men will kill go 787 00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,990 and the trustees of the Trinity said we gift to have women to 788 00:49:48,990 --> 00:49:52,080 have women so long before Charlottesville, a Chapel Hill 789 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:56,220 smell the coffee Trinity College is admitting women on equal 790 00:49:56,220 --> 00:49:59,310 footing with men. Now they didn't have the facilities for 791 00:49:59,310 --> 00:50:02,370 them and they wouldn't until later on, when the woman's 792 00:50:02,370 --> 00:50:05,670 college comes into existence, it's part of Duke University. 793 00:50:06,270 --> 00:50:10,920 But Trinity began to admit women quite early. One of the earliest 794 00:50:12,090 --> 00:50:17,670 interest of the family outside of Durham was the Oxford orphans 795 00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:22,740 asylum, which is still up in Oxford, North Carolina, PA, 796 00:50:23,250 --> 00:50:26,100 Washington do PA and Ben would get on the early morning 797 00:50:26,100 --> 00:50:28,710 training back in the days when we have a lot of train service, 798 00:50:29,010 --> 00:50:32,250 and right up to Office spend the day that often is you see what 799 00:50:32,250 --> 00:50:36,630 they needed, and then see that they got what they can give to 800 00:50:36,630 --> 00:50:42,000 help the orphanage. So that later portion of the childcare 801 00:50:42,030 --> 00:50:46,200 section of the damage grew out of a pattern of family 802 00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:46,830 involvement. 803 00:50:49,170 --> 00:50:53,580 Family families that huge it's gonna be a huge component of the 804 00:50:53,580 --> 00:50:58,650 show, and the lack of family and what the power of family is, but 805 00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,790 this made the dupes benevolent, right, they were giving money 806 00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:06,540 away creating hospitals, this kind of thing, letting women's 807 00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,290 women go to the college on equal footing. They were like they're 808 00:51:10,290 --> 00:51:13,440 very forward thinking and benevolent, but at the same 809 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:19,890 time, it was still that plantation mentality and and be 810 00:51:20,490 --> 00:51:22,770 elitism to go with it. So 811 00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,470 it's kind of like the company store, right? 812 00:51:27,150 --> 00:51:27,870 What do you mean by that? 813 00:51:27,930 --> 00:51:33,090 Well, it's like if the university runs everything, and 814 00:51:33,090 --> 00:51:36,720 then all of all commerce, everything around that is tied 815 00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:41,430 to it. So you everyone works for it one way or the other. And 816 00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:46,440 they can really move people, even in out of their homes, I 817 00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:47,040 would say, 818 00:51:47,849 --> 00:51:52,319 yeah. And then I guess we can go and get to the third clip now, 819 00:51:52,319 --> 00:51:56,999 because the hospital and the tobacco was one no great source 820 00:51:56,999 --> 00:52:00,629 of money. But it's this new business they got in really gave 821 00:52:00,629 --> 00:52:01,409 them power 822 00:52:02,610 --> 00:52:07,200 from a very early period. But Washington do. And then Ben and 823 00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:11,550 Brooke, gave money to the Methodist Church in particular 824 00:52:11,550 --> 00:52:16,020 to poor Methodist churches and to Methodist preachers. So that 825 00:52:16,020 --> 00:52:22,140 portion of the endowment grew out of the family pattern, now 826 00:52:22,140 --> 00:52:29,400 used to fudge a bit used to slide over this, argue that the 827 00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,880 Dukes business partner, George Watts gave Watts hospital to the 828 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,510 white people of Durham in the 1890s, with induced contributed 829 00:52:36,510 --> 00:52:39,810 to that, and I'm sure Ben Duke said on the board of trustees 830 00:52:39,810 --> 00:52:43,890 and so forth. And then in the early years of the 20th century, 831 00:52:43,890 --> 00:52:50,940 1901 or two, Ben and Buck gave the money for a hospital for the 832 00:52:51,270 --> 00:52:56,700 African Americans in their own the Lincoln Hospital. So as I 833 00:52:56,700 --> 00:52:59,520 say, I used to fudgy and say, well, the hospital business was 834 00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:03,180 unnatural. And that was an error because the Dukes were not 835 00:53:03,180 --> 00:53:06,540 really very much involved in health care. The health care 836 00:53:06,540 --> 00:53:13,770 portion of the Duke endeavor is primarily but Dukes original 837 00:53:14,970 --> 00:53:18,000 contribution or his singular contribution to the whole 838 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:25,410 endowment pattern. That business of helping communities build 839 00:53:25,410 --> 00:53:31,320 nonprofit community hospitals, that was that was booked Dukes 840 00:53:31,350 --> 00:53:36,090 vision would help those communities who were willing to 841 00:53:36,090 --> 00:53:39,540 help themselves they had to do some digging themselves for 842 00:53:39,540 --> 00:53:42,060 money. And then the data would move in and help them. 843 00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,700 So they were they were ingrain themselves in everything that 844 00:53:47,700 --> 00:53:51,750 was going on in the sound going on over there. Let me throw some 845 00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:56,190 money at it. So it was kind of hard to escape the reach of that 846 00:53:56,190 --> 00:53:58,470 you got to keep everybody healthy and everybody working. 847 00:53:58,470 --> 00:53:59,700 That's how it works. Yeah. 848 00:54:00,150 --> 00:54:06,630 So say all it is, um, they still have issues with the same issues 849 00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:13,170 that are on a similar issue that John Hopkins Johns Hopkins ran 850 00:54:13,170 --> 00:54:18,090 into with their where their hospital ran. So just just as a 851 00:54:18,090 --> 00:54:21,000 little clarity. My first daughter was born and Duke 852 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:25,230 Hospital. All right, so so this is like I said, this is it's a 853 00:54:25,230 --> 00:54:30,510 weird thing because the tension is always there with do and like 854 00:54:30,540 --> 00:54:34,110 the students and they share proximity with poor 855 00:54:34,110 --> 00:54:37,200 neighborhoods. You mean you have wall town and several other 856 00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,800 surrounding like North San poor neighborhoods that are just 857 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,670 basically divided by a wall stone wall that goes around the 858 00:54:44,670 --> 00:54:48,660 campus. That's a short wall, but still it's like, this is Campus. 859 00:54:48,900 --> 00:54:55,170 This is not campus. And if there was a harmony there, um, or was 860 00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,950 I'm not gonna live there now. So gentrification is really kicked 861 00:54:58,950 --> 00:55:04,290 in At similar to what we've seen in the John Hopkins clip, but 862 00:55:04,770 --> 00:55:07,980 it's just like saying it's just this weird. You know, it's just 863 00:55:07,980 --> 00:55:12,450 castle in the middle of town, and it's representative of the 864 00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:17,160 end grain power of this old money. And I think people get 865 00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,800 caught reason. Another reason I want to bring this up is to show 866 00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:24,030 is, I think people get caught up in the new money in the text 867 00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:28,290 thing, right? Forget about all of these really old established 868 00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:32,580 product. Yeah. Infrastructure. Literally, I 869 00:55:32,580 --> 00:55:35,850 think you were looking into the matt Gill or something. What was 870 00:55:35,850 --> 00:55:36,270 that thought 871 00:55:36,270 --> 00:55:39,240 the cargo family? That's another way Oh, yeah. Oh, my goodness. 872 00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:41,730 Oh, that some fun asked people. Yeah, so 873 00:55:41,730 --> 00:55:46,440 the Dukes are the same way. As this is the the tech money is 874 00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,080 cool. But when you have an endowment, 875 00:55:49,230 --> 00:55:53,220 yo, yeah. And it's even better than that. You don't hear about 876 00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,550 the Cargill family. No, you hear about Bill Gates with his fake 877 00:55:56,550 --> 00:56:00,870 meat. Right, that's by design. Bill Gates is just, you know, a 878 00:56:00,870 --> 00:56:04,920 talking head for the Cargill family. So I imagine with Duke 879 00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:06,180 it's exactly the same. 880 00:56:06,930 --> 00:56:09,990 It's the endowment. It's the, you know, we never hear about 881 00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:13,110 the family or anything. It's just but this money is still 882 00:56:13,110 --> 00:56:16,380 there. And it's power still there. Yeah. And for a DA like 883 00:56:16,380 --> 00:56:19,710 knife on the thing. You're gonna take some of their boys and 884 00:56:19,710 --> 00:56:24,000 railroad him. He was a fool to think this. Uh huh. This is who 885 00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,070 you're going. I mean, you're going against the whole school 886 00:56:26,070 --> 00:56:29,010 to produce his lawyers. I mean, it was a fool. It was a fool's 887 00:56:29,010 --> 00:56:32,460 errand. I don't know what he was thinking. Unless it could have 888 00:56:32,460 --> 00:56:38,820 been a coup. That like I said, the the student mean, extremely 889 00:56:38,820 --> 00:56:42,390 faculty at the college. We're all all for it. For railroad 890 00:56:42,390 --> 00:56:46,050 knees. These are lacrosse players. But before we get into 891 00:56:46,050 --> 00:56:48,480 that, I want to get into like a little bit of the medical 892 00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:52,260 history. And this is kind of more reflective for me. And we 893 00:56:52,260 --> 00:56:55,410 were talking about why why black people don't really go to the 894 00:56:55,410 --> 00:56:59,100 hospital or not. There's that thing. Yeah. This is going to 895 00:56:59,100 --> 00:57:01,740 answer some of that into more detail. So I guess we can go 896 00:57:01,740 --> 00:57:05,610 ahead and get to 30. Before we start, this is Dr. Damon Twitty 897 00:57:06,030 --> 00:57:10,110 Tweety, excuse me, and he's the author of Batman the white coat. 898 00:57:10,470 --> 00:57:15,060 And this is a, I believe, PBS. And he examines racial 899 00:57:15,060 --> 00:57:18,030 disparities in medicine, both patient and medical 900 00:57:18,030 --> 00:57:21,750 professionals. So this will give me the context even at Duke how 901 00:57:21,750 --> 00:57:26,460 progressive it is, he worked to do and this is something that 902 00:57:26,460 --> 00:57:29,550 he's experienced that he witnessed. Being Black 903 00:57:29,550 --> 00:57:33,000 can be bad for your health. It's a lesson Damon tweedy writes in 904 00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,390 his new book, black man in a white coat, a doctor's 905 00:57:36,390 --> 00:57:39,810 reflection on race and medicine, that he learned time and again, 906 00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:43,320 in his own life and in as many years as a doctor. tweedy is a 907 00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,950 psychiatrist at Duke University, where he also attended medical 908 00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:50,220 school and welcome to you. So this you start with this big 909 00:57:50,220 --> 00:57:53,490 subject? Is that what started it for you that you wanted to write 910 00:57:53,490 --> 00:57:53,850 about? 911 00:57:54,210 --> 00:57:56,940 Yeah, so you know, raises this really highly charged political 912 00:57:56,940 --> 00:57:59,370 subject that we have in our society, obviously. But for me, 913 00:57:59,370 --> 00:58:01,560 this is a very personal story. This is really kind of about my 914 00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,680 experience in my journey. All too often in medical school, you 915 00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:08,340 learn about health problems in the black community, you learned 916 00:58:08,340 --> 00:58:10,830 you hear this diseases, it's more common than then this is 917 00:58:10,830 --> 00:58:12,360 always more common in black people. But you didn't really 918 00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,480 hear why it wasn't this x question, why was a huge issue 919 00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,990 for me. It was also a big question about how my experience 920 00:58:18,990 --> 00:58:21,060 as a young black man was different than the experiences 921 00:58:21,060 --> 00:58:23,280 of other people in my class. Well, that comes 922 00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:27,660 through because you also saying that, as a young doctor, in 923 00:58:27,660 --> 00:58:30,480 training, you're saying constantly hearing about the 924 00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,750 medical frailties of black people picked up the scab of 925 00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:37,500 your insecurity, you did not set out thinking about medicine and 926 00:58:37,500 --> 00:58:38,040 race. 927 00:58:38,100 --> 00:58:40,320 No, I was actually attracted to medicine there was sort of like 928 00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:44,010 this. It was almost like a post racial kind of mindset, I had 929 00:58:44,610 --> 00:58:47,610 medicine to me how this appeal of being objective, you know, 930 00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,730 formulas, equations, and it was really, that was appeal. So much 931 00:58:50,730 --> 00:58:53,880 of society is messy. And life is messy as a black person. So this 932 00:58:53,910 --> 00:58:56,310 was appeal, that it could be objective. And then when I got 933 00:58:56,310 --> 00:58:58,860 to medical school, I kind of got a rude awakening that it wasn't. 934 00:58:59,700 --> 00:59:03,150 Oh, okay. This is also very relevant to today. But of 935 00:59:03,150 --> 00:59:06,300 course, we know that the Rona kills black people because of 936 00:59:06,300 --> 00:59:06,870 their skin. 937 00:59:07,860 --> 00:59:10,950 If you will listen to the narrative, but they don't never 938 00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:15,630 tell you why. Or they're giving you any explanation. It's just 939 00:59:15,630 --> 00:59:19,980 that it kills black people. Yeah. At a higher rate, but 940 00:59:19,980 --> 00:59:22,890 there's no there's no discussion. And that's because 941 00:59:22,890 --> 00:59:24,900 they is the cost of the narrative. Right. And he got 942 00:59:24,900 --> 00:59:29,190 into medicine because it's being objective. Um, surprise, 943 00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:34,890 surprise. Yeah. At the end of the day, it's a business. So and 944 00:59:34,890 --> 00:59:40,950 I say, even at school, like do this, um, was very progressive, 945 00:59:40,950 --> 00:59:43,320 as you heard from their family and the creation of the whole 946 00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:48,120 endowment and what they try to do, it was still these 947 00:59:48,150 --> 00:59:51,810 opportunities for it to be right in for it to be racism, and let 948 00:59:51,810 --> 00:59:57,060 me let me do a scene is racist. I mean, it's almost anonymous 949 00:59:57,060 --> 00:59:58,800 when you hear do well 950 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,820 You can do this do color, 951 01:00:03,959 --> 01:00:06,539 I'll just say I didn't want to lead you. But that's great 952 01:00:06,539 --> 01:00:10,349 marketing that his last name is Duke, because it's baked in 953 01:00:10,349 --> 01:00:17,789 racism and do is baked in to it, um, until they like the name and 954 01:00:17,819 --> 01:00:22,019 the whole business. And I think they tried to the endowment 955 01:00:22,019 --> 01:00:25,529 tries to, you know, get away from this. But these kind of 956 01:00:25,529 --> 01:00:28,979 situation right here made it worse for them. And that's why 957 01:00:28,979 --> 01:00:32,099 you're going to see this kind of attack. So, but I want to get 958 01:00:32,099 --> 01:00:34,679 into this Dr. Store, because it's another topic, I want to 959 01:00:34,679 --> 01:00:38,849 bring up this personal to me. So let's get into number 14, 960 01:00:38,999 --> 01:00:42,179 when you refer to your insecurities. What do you mean? 961 01:00:42,209 --> 01:00:42,629 Yeah, 962 01:00:42,690 --> 01:00:46,470 I'm come from Prince George's County, Maryland. It was an all 963 01:00:46,470 --> 01:00:48,780 black neighborhood that I grew up in just outside of 964 01:00:48,780 --> 01:00:53,160 Washington, DC. And I went to a state college and I got to Duke, 965 01:00:53,490 --> 01:00:56,730 Duke, fancy private school, a lot of my classmates had parents 966 01:00:56,730 --> 01:00:59,130 who were doctors. And so I was willing to care about that. And 967 01:00:59,130 --> 01:01:01,500 as a black person, there's always a sort of thing about is 968 01:01:01,500 --> 01:01:04,410 affirmative action part of why you're here. And do you really 969 01:01:04,410 --> 01:01:06,420 belong. And so I was grappling with all those things, when I 970 01:01:06,420 --> 01:01:07,830 first got to medical school 971 01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:10,590 to write about a number of incidents that you witnessed in 972 01:01:10,590 --> 01:01:13,920 which you saw white doctors, unaware of the different ways 973 01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:17,250 that they were treating black patients, how much in the end, 974 01:01:17,250 --> 01:01:20,340 did you conclude that race does play a factor in the doctor's 975 01:01:20,340 --> 01:01:21,660 room, in the hospital, 976 01:01:22,530 --> 01:01:25,080 it plays a big factor, and often in ways that the doctor and the 977 01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:28,020 patient may not even be aware of. And so it's a there are 978 01:01:28,020 --> 01:01:30,360 several examples I talked about in the book. And there's one 979 01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,340 example particularly so that comes to mind off the top of my 980 01:01:32,340 --> 01:01:35,400 head. This was a time when I was going to the clinic myself as a 981 01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:39,570 patient. So I'm coming from home and I'm had injured my knee a 982 01:01:39,570 --> 01:01:41,670 few days earlier. And I'm dressing very casually 983 01:01:41,670 --> 01:01:44,490 sweatpants and sweatshirt, and I come into the exam room with the 984 01:01:44,490 --> 01:01:47,520 doctor. And he comes in and he never looks at me, he just looks 985 01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:50,490 at my knee and sort of has me stand up and down. And then says 986 01:01:50,490 --> 01:01:53,370 your cane count is going to shuttle me away. And being a 987 01:01:53,370 --> 01:01:55,080 doctor, I knew that there was more that could be done or 988 01:01:55,110 --> 01:01:57,360 should have been done. And so I mentioned to him that I'm a 989 01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:00,360 doctor. And then suddenly he looks at me and his eyes kind of 990 01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:04,140 light up and he looks at my knee, he starts to talk to me. 991 01:02:04,140 --> 01:02:06,360 And so he really engages in a sort of doctor patient exchange 992 01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,090 the way that it should have been from the beginning. And it was a 993 01:02:09,090 --> 01:02:11,700 really vivid illustration of how differently you know, I can 994 01:02:11,700 --> 01:02:14,310 perceive, you know, one hand, I could just be a young black man 995 01:02:14,310 --> 01:02:16,890 who's off the street somewhere and who knows what negative 996 01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:18,930 assumptions he may have had, because he didn't engage with me 997 01:02:18,930 --> 01:02:22,110 at all. And once he realizes I'm a doctor, it was like a totally 998 01:02:22,110 --> 01:02:24,300 different experience. And so I think that really illustrates 999 01:02:24,300 --> 01:02:26,940 how definitely things can play out in in exam. 1000 01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:31,140 This is interesting, this, this book, I would be interested in 1001 01:02:31,170 --> 01:02:34,680 black man in a white coat. Hmm. Have you read it? 1002 01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:39,780 No, I haven't. I've watched several of his hour long. 1003 01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:44,070 Book, he got the YouTube, right. 1004 01:02:46,020 --> 01:02:51,210 You're saying he's using the best parts of the book. But it's 1005 01:02:51,210 --> 01:02:57,120 two things he brought up. One is the, um, am I here? Because I'm 1006 01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:01,560 a token? Affirmative Action kind of higher? I think they call 1007 01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:06,420 them diversity hires now. Oh, yeah. It's the thing called 1008 01:03:06,450 --> 01:03:09,720 imposter syndrome. I don't know if you heard about it or not. 1009 01:03:09,930 --> 01:03:13,560 And I plan on doing a bigger show on it. But I want to get 1010 01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:17,400 into it now just as this because he brought it up. Imposter 1011 01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:25,110 syndrome is am I here? Because of you know, I'm a token or our 1012 01:03:25,770 --> 01:03:26,850 diversity hire? 1013 01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:30,840 Yes. When you feel like you're an imposter. Right? Which can 1014 01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:34,200 also can, it can also happen when you land a job and you're 1015 01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,510 faking it till you make it and you really don't know what the 1016 01:03:36,510 --> 01:03:37,260 hell you're doing. 1017 01:03:38,730 --> 01:03:42,450 True, but I think the true sense of it is that you are qualified 1018 01:03:42,450 --> 01:03:45,990 but you still never feel out that you've Okay, agree totally, 1019 01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:50,160 that you're you belong, I think next keyword and there are 1020 01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:54,030 people that said that you were Yeah, that you are qualified, 1021 01:03:54,030 --> 01:03:57,720 because this is the double edged sword of affirmative action is 1022 01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:01,350 that, yeah, it gets people in the door. But when you get a man 1023 01:04:01,350 --> 01:04:05,190 with lower standards, then people are going to assume you 1024 01:04:05,220 --> 01:04:09,390 were recipient, right of that lower standard. And I actually 1025 01:04:09,390 --> 01:04:12,480 did a live on this a little while back saying so people want 1026 01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:15,960 to check it out. Um, but yes, I thought that was one thing. And 1027 01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:19,680 then the way that daughter saw him once he gave him his 1028 01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:24,180 credentials, it didn't change the fact that he's black. So 1029 01:04:24,180 --> 01:04:27,600 it's not it's not a point about black or white in this sense. 1030 01:04:28,590 --> 01:04:31,800 Because you heard where Nancy Grace was coming from, she's a 1031 01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:37,590 white woman. But the fact she grew up on a dirt road, you 1032 01:04:37,590 --> 01:04:40,020 know, she looked at Duke a certain way, even though she's 1033 01:04:40,020 --> 01:04:43,410 white and they're white. Sure. Um, that's class and that's 1034 01:04:43,410 --> 01:04:47,400 right. That's the main point. And I want to point out that 1035 01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,430 here, once the guy Oh, you're one of us. You're saying your 1036 01:04:50,430 --> 01:04:53,610 you got a white coat today and I'll treat you like a human. And 1037 01:04:53,610 --> 01:04:58,440 that's that thing of this. You know, us and them kind of 1038 01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:05,400 mentality that ozone, right? But in this, okay. But it in this 1039 01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:09,000 case is not racial, it's more of he looked like a poor kid off 1040 01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:12,540 the street or is a poor black kid off the street. It's the 1041 01:05:12,540 --> 01:05:16,320 assumption that you're poor. I mean, this is where the racial 1042 01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:20,160 wealth gap falls into it. The fact that so many black people 1043 01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:24,300 are poor. You were saying as soon as you get the association, 1044 01:05:24,300 --> 01:05:27,660 I got it. Right. It's the same thing with affirmative action. 1045 01:05:27,690 --> 01:05:29,160 So many people, do 1046 01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:33,300 you happen to know numbers? Do you happen to know numbers? How 1047 01:05:33,300 --> 01:05:38,010 many what percentage of black Americans are poor? Do you 1048 01:05:38,010 --> 01:05:41,970 happen to know? Ah, 1049 01:05:41,999 --> 01:05:44,369 what do you say poor? What do you mean? Like the poverty line? 1050 01:05:44,369 --> 01:05:44,489 Oh, 1051 01:05:44,490 --> 01:05:46,260 the poverty line? Yeah, well, you 1052 01:05:46,260 --> 01:05:49,260 will have I will say, I wouldn't use that I will look at medium 1053 01:05:49,260 --> 01:05:55,590 income. Okay. And, and they pointed out in a clip with Nancy 1054 01:05:55,590 --> 01:05:57,960 Grace, she was like, all their median income is 1055 01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:03,090 100,000 250,000. And then we got to, you know, people from DERM 1056 01:06:03,090 --> 01:06:06,600 or black, you know, saying it would be significantly lower. So 1057 01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:09,120 median income is significantly lower. I don't have the numbers 1058 01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:12,090 right offhand. But it's definitely lower. And that's the 1059 01:06:12,090 --> 01:06:16,650 whole racial wealth gap. thing, and it's real, because you know, 1060 01:06:16,830 --> 01:06:18,330 when you don't have right, but 1061 01:06:18,660 --> 01:06:22,530 just just just my point is, people who live in Durham, 1062 01:06:22,590 --> 01:06:26,130 around Durham are going to be predominantly median income, 1063 01:06:26,130 --> 01:06:29,190 because all the money is is centered in that in that power 1064 01:06:29,190 --> 01:06:31,020 center, and everyone else is just serving it. 1065 01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:33,930 Right? I mean, I mean, you don't have any, you don't have 1066 01:06:33,930 --> 01:06:36,240 generational wealth just passed down that kind of thing. I mean, 1067 01:06:37,020 --> 01:06:40,560 it's the institutional problems. And if I was saying like, things 1068 01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:45,090 like atonement, aka reparations are needed, because then we can 1069 01:06:45,090 --> 01:06:48,840 get okay, we can move on. Exactly, it solves the problem. 1070 01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:56,940 Okay. Here we, we know, one group had a head start. In no a, 1071 01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:03,270 in the race called America, you know, um, we didn't get out the, 1072 01:07:03,300 --> 01:07:07,200 you know, the start block as fast as other groups have. And 1073 01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:09,390 then it's like, okay, I'm running fast, just as fast as 1074 01:07:09,390 --> 01:07:12,360 you are even fast, when you put your head start are so much 1075 01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:17,400 bigger. I can never catch up. I mean, it's not gonna happen. Now 1076 01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:22,350 you can. You, it'd be hard for you have a black Duke Family, 1077 01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:26,100 you understand? I'm saying, like, with the aspects of 1078 01:07:26,100 --> 01:07:30,330 tobacco when, you know, the slave labor and those kinds of 1079 01:07:30,330 --> 01:07:35,220 things, the institutions, that that's kind of hard to recreate, 1080 01:07:35,340 --> 01:07:38,310 when you don't have know when you're still playing in the 1081 01:07:38,310 --> 01:07:38,730 game, 1082 01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:42,720 right? The only way to start with generational wealth, where 1083 01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:47,970 there's two ways one is three ways. One is the phony baloney 1084 01:07:47,970 --> 01:07:50,490 stock market. I'm not sure how much longer you can actually do 1085 01:07:50,490 --> 01:07:53,790 that. With that with that, but along with that comes high tech, 1086 01:07:53,790 --> 01:07:57,030 big tech Silicon Valley. And that my personal favorite 1087 01:07:57,090 --> 01:08:00,000 Bitcoin, but that may be for a different episode. 1088 01:08:00,390 --> 01:08:03,330 What that is that they know. But if you have 1000, to put it, I 1089 01:08:03,330 --> 01:08:07,350 have 1000, you have 10,000 100,000. Even though 1090 01:08:07,350 --> 01:08:10,830 we're both making money on Bitcoin, it'll always be a 1091 01:08:10,830 --> 01:08:14,220 disparity there. And that's what you're seeing play out with this 1092 01:08:14,220 --> 01:08:17,280 whole? I didn't expect to go here. But that's what you're 1093 01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:19,860 seeing it play out with a whole inflation thing. 1094 01:08:22,140 --> 01:08:25,200 Hold on a second. A second. I don't come from generational 1095 01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:28,410 wealth, per se. I mean, at least none, not where I can not not 1096 01:08:28,410 --> 01:08:35,790 the direct part. I mean, I literally had to pay taxes, my 1097 01:08:35,790 --> 01:08:42,600 mom and when they when they both passed away. So it's an it might 1098 01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:45,060 have been there, but someone screwed up along the way. So I'm 1099 01:08:45,060 --> 01:08:48,600 just saying that in Bitcoin, you and I could theoretically be 1100 01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,270 kind of starting at the same spot at the same point. 1101 01:08:52,349 --> 01:08:56,759 True. Well, I'm saying is for the institutions of the top of 1102 01:08:56,759 --> 01:09:00,389 the when you look at the top of the I understand, 1103 01:09:00,390 --> 01:09:05,670 but I'm just saying, Yeah, I'm just saying you're correct. That 1104 01:09:05,670 --> 01:09:12,570 will never get fixed. We'll never beyond atonement. Moving 1105 01:09:12,570 --> 01:09:17,130 forward. Each I'm just saying there's an opportunity to equal 1106 01:09:17,130 --> 01:09:17,970 for everybody. 1107 01:09:18,390 --> 01:09:21,300 Oh, yeah. And there's always been opportunities for equal and 1108 01:09:21,750 --> 01:09:23,490 I want to point that out and for him, 1109 01:09:23,490 --> 01:09:26,880 but also but also to start new new generational wealth that may 1110 01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:29,610 be worth something in six generations from now. 1111 01:09:30,150 --> 01:09:35,280 Right, but with him, he says that when he went to school, his 1112 01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:40,230 classmates parents were doctors. Is there a second generation in 1113 01:09:40,230 --> 01:09:44,100 so that's, like I said, That's the hard problem. And all the 1114 01:09:44,130 --> 01:09:48,660 reason why I'm bringing all this up is all this plays out into. 1115 01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:53,520 How do I look to the public? Right, those rich white kids 1116 01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:57,000 that have silver spoon in their mouth, you know, they deserve to 1117 01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:58,320 get we need equity. 1118 01:09:58,530 --> 01:10:02,880 I guess what I'm saying Is it just a knee jerk reaction? 1119 01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:06,420 Because I'm really concerned? I'm concerned about Mike, my 1120 01:10:06,420 --> 01:10:09,990 kids, your kids. I guess what I'm saying is, while we're 1121 01:10:09,990 --> 01:10:13,380 figuring it out, and while we're moving forward with trying to 1122 01:10:13,380 --> 01:10:20,370 normalize inter race relations in America, really Americans 1123 01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:24,210 with America's because it goes beyond race these days. I'm just 1124 01:10:24,210 --> 01:10:27,390 saying, let's not forget to look at some of the opportunities we 1125 01:10:27,390 --> 01:10:28,710 can take advantage of now. 1126 01:10:29,250 --> 01:10:35,610 And that's the point I'm making, that I'm for him to be a doctor, 1127 01:10:35,730 --> 01:10:39,210 let you know that the opportunities, they're just like 1128 01:10:39,210 --> 01:10:42,150 this opportunity to make money now for everybody. Yeah. And 1129 01:10:42,150 --> 01:10:45,510 that's the point I'm trying to make is we shouldn't we 1130 01:10:45,510 --> 01:10:48,120 shouldn't think Oh, like this doom and gloom mentality like we 1131 01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:50,400 would never be able to get out of poverty. Look at look at 1132 01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:54,720 Nancy Grace, she was eating dirt from a dirt road. Millionaire. 1133 01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:57,180 Right. And that's the point. That's the point right there. 1134 01:10:57,180 --> 01:11:00,690 But that's goes to show you that the mental shackles are the real 1135 01:11:00,690 --> 01:11:04,590 problem. This is why they remain they remain Yeah. And this is 1136 01:11:04,590 --> 01:11:09,450 why attack victim victimization, victimhood in the mind, these 1137 01:11:09,450 --> 01:11:12,840 kinds of things, that's the real racism here is, you know, 1138 01:11:12,870 --> 01:11:15,900 thinking that the opportunity's not there, right, if you know, 1139 01:11:16,110 --> 01:11:18,960 it's kind of like the gloves been taken off the jar, if you 1140 01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:22,230 bump your head in the lid, enough times, usually I always 1141 01:11:22,230 --> 01:11:23,130 delete steal their 1142 01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:25,230 horse, people keep telling you, there's a lid there, there's a 1143 01:11:25,230 --> 01:11:27,360 lid there, there's a lid there, which cracked 1144 01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:30,390 critical race theory, which that plays into all of these, like I 1145 01:11:30,390 --> 01:11:34,560 say, all, all of this plays into it. And this all manifests 1146 01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:37,350 itself out onto this trial when we get to it. I know people I 1147 01:11:37,440 --> 01:11:39,630 know, we're gonna talk about the trial, but we have to set it up 1148 01:11:39,990 --> 01:11:41,310 in this sense. So 1149 01:11:41,340 --> 01:11:44,220 no, people are people, not people sitting there drinking a 1150 01:11:44,220 --> 01:11:48,030 glass of wine. They're maybe smoking something, they're 1151 01:11:48,030 --> 01:11:51,600 chill. They're sitting with their loved one going yeah, let 1152 01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:53,940 it go mo roll it out slow. 1153 01:11:54,330 --> 01:11:56,310 Alright, so let's go ahead and get number 15 1154 01:11:57,210 --> 01:11:58,440 became a psychiatrist. 1155 01:11:58,440 --> 01:12:02,280 Yes, my question. I never thought when I went to medical 1156 01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:04,650 school that I would become common psychiatry. But as I got 1157 01:12:04,650 --> 01:12:07,290 into, towards the end of medical school, I took this one rotation 1158 01:12:07,380 --> 01:12:10,380 just on a flyer and I really enjoyed it. And the patients, 1159 01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:14,130 told my supervisors that I had a way with relaxing people and 1160 01:12:14,130 --> 01:12:16,170 getting them to talk to me, and I had a way of connecting with 1161 01:12:16,170 --> 01:12:18,810 people. And so that really made me think about psychiatry, 1162 01:12:18,810 --> 01:12:21,450 there's also this huge issue as an African American, in the 1163 01:12:21,450 --> 01:12:24,840 mental health arena, half black community is really a big deal, 1164 01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:28,080 because often black people will be resistant to mental health 1165 01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:30,180 care or feel like it's something that's not for them. And there's 1166 01:12:30,180 --> 01:12:32,940 this huge sort of stigma that we that we often deal with. So as a 1167 01:12:32,940 --> 01:12:35,460 psychiatrist, I've often been one of the only few black 1168 01:12:35,460 --> 01:12:38,100 psychiatrist. And so there's a huge deal there as well. 1169 01:12:38,130 --> 01:12:40,950 Well, this is important that you've written a lot about the 1170 01:12:41,010 --> 01:12:44,430 dearth of black doctors generally. And you're pointing 1171 01:12:44,430 --> 01:12:47,850 that is one of the important factors of why blacks fare so, 1172 01:12:48,420 --> 01:12:53,100 so poorly in the medical system. Why? Why is it important to have 1173 01:12:53,100 --> 01:12:54,270 more black doctors? 1174 01:12:54,510 --> 01:12:57,330 Yeah, so African Americans make up about 13% of the population, 1175 01:12:57,330 --> 01:13:00,030 but about 4% of physicians. And it's like, you know, half a 1176 01:13:00,030 --> 01:13:02,910 psychiatrist about the same, really low numbers. And what you 1177 01:13:02,910 --> 01:13:06,060 often see is that there's this issue of the patients don't 1178 01:13:06,060 --> 01:13:08,220 trust the healthcare system, because there's been a bad 1179 01:13:08,220 --> 01:13:10,860 history of things that have happened in the past. And so 1180 01:13:10,980 --> 01:13:14,370 often, as a black Doctor, I'm there to help sort of be a 1181 01:13:14,940 --> 01:13:15,930 translator in a way. 1182 01:13:16,770 --> 01:13:19,830 So that's why we need more black doctors. At the same time, I saw 1183 01:13:19,830 --> 01:13:22,920 recently, Association of American Medical Colleges, a new 1184 01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:25,980 report that applications from African American men have 1185 01:13:25,980 --> 01:13:28,830 declined. Yes, in 1978 to recently, 1186 01:13:28,890 --> 01:13:31,770 right. Yes, so then the numbers for black women have actually 1187 01:13:31,770 --> 01:13:33,390 increased during that time. But I think there's this bigger 1188 01:13:33,390 --> 01:13:37,110 issue about the way society from the very top down kind of sets 1189 01:13:37,110 --> 01:13:39,540 that limits the X the horizons and the expectations of what 1190 01:13:39,540 --> 01:13:42,120 African American men can be. And I think they really filters down 1191 01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:44,190 they start from the top and the filters down to the communities. 1192 01:13:45,690 --> 01:13:48,150 Wow, all these things I hadn't considered we've yet you know, 1193 01:13:48,150 --> 01:13:50,880 you and I never talk about mental health type stuff. I 1194 01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:53,610 mean, we I think we're always talking about our own mental 1195 01:13:53,610 --> 01:14:01,860 health. You know, as as men, uh, that's, that's, that's very 1196 01:14:01,860 --> 01:14:06,450 interesting. And meanwhile, black America's west, you just 1197 01:14:06,450 --> 01:14:10,140 be going like to do dumb shit. Stop it. Don't Don't do that. 1198 01:14:10,140 --> 01:14:11,790 Don't go no, no, no. 1199 01:14:13,500 --> 01:14:14,400 What part? 1200 01:14:15,180 --> 01:14:17,130 Don't take don't take the vaccine. 1201 01:14:17,970 --> 01:14:24,150 That, um, but there are some things that we do ignore. I 1202 01:14:24,150 --> 01:14:27,150 mean, it's just common sense health decisions. Oh, yes. 1203 01:14:28,230 --> 01:14:29,430 Of the whole system, 1204 01:14:29,850 --> 01:14:34,920 right. The dangers of it's like, oh, Tuskegee, they said we're 1205 01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:37,380 saying, we fill in the blank and it's like, well, I'm gonna eat 1206 01:14:37,380 --> 01:14:40,380 the sugar. What not, there's no it's like, Well, that'll kill 1207 01:14:40,380 --> 01:14:43,890 you. Or I'm gonna eat the salt. What do they know? Right? 1208 01:14:44,879 --> 01:14:49,319 It was really impactful for me is is how you and your younger 1209 01:14:49,319 --> 01:14:53,579 of course, but how you were talking on the live about Magic 1210 01:14:53,579 --> 01:14:57,149 Johnson and when you found out that the Magic Johnson had AIDS, 1211 01:14:57,449 --> 01:15:02,339 and what an impact that hit it had on you Yes, as a young man, 1212 01:15:02,429 --> 01:15:03,479 how old were you then? 1213 01:15:05,339 --> 01:15:09,269 What was that? 9293 1213 years old? Yeah. 1214 01:15:09,659 --> 01:15:14,039 Yeah. And, but I think also for for, and I'm just gonna use it 1215 01:15:14,039 --> 01:15:18,779 for your community. I'm sure that was really like, holy crap. 1216 01:15:19,499 --> 01:15:22,889 And that's just another part of it. Just that's just another 1217 01:15:22,889 --> 01:15:29,219 notch in this whole distrust of everything. And in this 1218 01:15:29,219 --> 01:15:31,949 pandemic, where it is all Yeah, black and brown people are 1219 01:15:31,949 --> 01:15:35,639 disproportionately dying. It's like, holy crap, and that just 1220 01:15:35,639 --> 01:15:37,709 keep pushing the shit out. No wonder. 1221 01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:43,470 It's not it's not good to live in a state of paranoia, or all 1222 01:15:43,470 --> 01:15:47,820 the time, or skepticism all the time that lends to mental health 1223 01:15:47,820 --> 01:15:52,140 problems. You have to double and triple think things like, Okay, 1224 01:15:52,410 --> 01:15:55,440 what's the double cross? What could be a triple cross? Where 1225 01:15:55,440 --> 01:15:57,930 it could be a quadruple cross? You know, that kind of thing. 1226 01:15:57,960 --> 01:15:58,380 And 1227 01:15:58,410 --> 01:16:05,730 that's actually how I live all the time. I'm always thinking, 1228 01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:08,580 what kind of scam is this? Alright, maybe it's someone 1229 01:16:08,580 --> 01:16:09,930 else's scamming the scammer. 1230 01:16:10,530 --> 01:16:14,370 And this is how it is trickled over into. This is the point of 1231 01:16:14,370 --> 01:16:20,580 the show. When these guys called those escorts up there, we're 1232 01:16:20,580 --> 01:16:22,890 living in the world. We're like, oh, we can man we can do what we 1233 01:16:22,890 --> 01:16:25,590 want to do. You know, I mean, escorts wedding actually legal 1234 01:16:25,590 --> 01:16:28,590 then. I was sure there was kind of some kind of rules but like 1235 01:16:28,590 --> 01:16:31,530 real smoothes, it wasn't where do what kids do, we can do 1236 01:16:31,530 --> 01:16:34,710 whatever we want to do. I mean, that's the mentality of it. As 1237 01:16:34,890 --> 01:16:37,200 college students should kind of feel that way. Right. You're 1238 01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:40,530 young, you're saying you should have fun, that kind of thing. 1239 01:16:40,740 --> 01:16:44,160 But for me and mine and be like, Oh, well, you know, this could 1240 01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:46,860 go wrong. And that could go wrong. And that could go wrong. 1241 01:16:46,860 --> 01:16:49,860 You know what, let's just stay at home, that kind of thing. So 1242 01:16:49,860 --> 01:16:50,220 I've told 1243 01:16:50,220 --> 01:16:52,920 you the story. I told you a story about the basketball team 1244 01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:57,180 when I was at Salem College. No, you didn't. And we were in 1245 01:16:57,180 --> 01:17:01,860 Salem, and clarksburg was out like 40 minutes down the road, 1246 01:17:01,860 --> 01:17:06,330 that's where the McDonald's was. And I had a car. I had a Chevy 1247 01:17:06,330 --> 01:17:12,360 Nova, straight six, Chevy Nova, and my roommate, Ty, who was 1248 01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:14,700 black, so and he would hang out with the bad with the basketball 1249 01:17:14,700 --> 01:17:16,830 team. They're like, oh, so let's get to it. Let's get curry to 1250 01:17:16,830 --> 01:17:20,010 drive us. We'll go to McDonald's. Okay. And so I got 1251 01:17:20,010 --> 01:17:23,730 six black guys in the car. We're driving down the highway in West 1252 01:17:23,730 --> 01:17:26,790 Virginia, and I'm doing like 65 and they're in the back on yo, 1253 01:17:26,790 --> 01:17:30,750 yo, yo, yo, cuz your cars slow down, cuz you're cool. You're 1254 01:17:30,750 --> 01:17:34,080 cool blood. You're cool. You're cool. I'm like, What, man? I'm 1255 01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:38,580 just cruising. And I didn't and Only now do I think about it and 1256 01:17:38,580 --> 01:17:41,190 go, Oh, yeah, no kidding. 1257 01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:43,680 I was calculation in their head is like 1258 01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:50,820 I came from Amsterdam, right? I had no cons, I had no context. 1259 01:17:51,480 --> 01:17:52,110 And when the 1260 01:17:52,110 --> 01:17:59,100 calculations go through their hand back six of us back over, 1261 01:17:59,100 --> 01:18:03,960 get scared to share with them like a Oh, go just give us 1262 01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:06,360 something on them. You know, just give us something you know, 1263 01:18:06,630 --> 01:18:09,750 that that's a really nice, they're paranor you like a real 1264 01:18:09,750 --> 01:18:11,100 time calculation. Yeah, 1265 01:18:11,130 --> 01:18:15,000 and these guys were from South Chino from, like, Trenton and, 1266 01:18:15,030 --> 01:18:18,090 you know, all east coast. And so they were like me, you know, 1267 01:18:18,090 --> 01:18:22,950 middle class. But they knew it was up and they they knew what 1268 01:18:22,980 --> 01:18:27,480 West Virginia could be a little different culturally. But Only 1269 01:18:27,480 --> 01:18:31,920 now do I realize? Because I was just oblivious. Interesting. 1270 01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:32,430 Okay. 1271 01:18:32,940 --> 01:18:36,750 And I'm just pointing it out there. Before and this time you 1272 01:18:36,750 --> 01:18:39,600 didn't you are young white men and how to do these 1273 01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:43,620 calculations. But now fast forward 15 years? Oh, yeah, you 1274 01:18:43,620 --> 01:18:46,770 really got to think about I can't say that or how that 1275 01:18:47,730 --> 01:18:52,140 is? Yeah, for most people. Now I've created a life and a job in 1276 01:18:52,170 --> 01:18:55,560 an environment where I can literally speak whatever the 1277 01:18:55,560 --> 01:19:01,350 hell I want to say all the time. And not have to worry about 1278 01:19:01,350 --> 01:19:04,920 losing my job. Well, I mean, I can worry value can drop them if 1279 01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:09,630 I mess it up. But that violated some horrible norms. But for 1280 01:19:09,630 --> 01:19:13,320 most people, it's just gotten progressively worse, especially 1281 01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:15,600 in the office environment or in the work environment, the 1282 01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:16,410 workplace. 1283 01:19:16,860 --> 01:19:20,040 And this was their first iteration of like said the woke 1284 01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:23,880 culture showing his head and the cancel cannon. We got to burn 1285 01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:29,520 Duke burn Duke. That's the point. So so now I saw I was 1286 01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:33,000 very connected to do and the reason why is this next two 1287 01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:37,740 clips is from my former pastor, ah wishes named another doctor, 1288 01:19:38,190 --> 01:19:41,070 not the William Turner and I think he was over the School of 1289 01:19:41,070 --> 01:19:46,860 Divinity at Duke and he was also our pastor, which mount level 1290 01:19:46,860 --> 01:19:50,250 Baptist Church in Durham, North Carolina. And it was you know, 1291 01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:54,900 it was a very powerful thing to have, you know, a doctor a PhD, 1292 01:19:54,900 --> 01:19:58,290 a legit PhD, not one of these Bible College cons, not not 1293 01:19:58,290 --> 01:20:03,150 them, but it there's There's a just to show you there's a 1294 01:20:03,180 --> 01:20:05,700 double standard there. It's like, Where'd you get your PhD 1295 01:20:05,700 --> 01:20:08,730 from? I'll do all okay. You're a real doctor. Yeah, not like a 1296 01:20:08,730 --> 01:20:16,920 doctor. That kind of thing, right? You know. So. So, here, 1297 01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:20,190 he had his sermon called the beloved, the beloved, okay, 1298 01:20:20,190 --> 01:20:23,910 beloved, and unloving chaos. So he kind of talks about their 1299 01:20:23,910 --> 01:20:27,810 environment of do when he went there, and he kind of had to be 1300 01:20:27,810 --> 01:20:32,280 in like the 60s and 70s, when he was there, um, as a student, and 1301 01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:35,940 he gives that kind of he gives a perception of Duke. And this is 1302 01:20:35,940 --> 01:20:39,510 kind of like teaching that I can set up under, as a young kid, 1303 01:20:39,540 --> 01:20:41,790 instead of saying, still teenage years. 1304 01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:52,680 What are the consequences of knowing yourself as loved and 1305 01:20:52,680 --> 01:21:00,690 believing that everyone else is beloved, just like you then set 1306 01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:08,760 that reality over against the one of knowing that you are 1307 01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:15,210 beloved. And seeing those who around you treated like they are 1308 01:21:15,210 --> 01:21:23,880 not the love even more, to see them abused, treated like they 1309 01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:32,820 are despised objects, to, for the convenience of others. What 1310 01:21:32,820 --> 01:21:38,130 we know about being beloved, was set alongside what we saw. And 1311 01:21:38,130 --> 01:21:45,600 it produced great contradiction and tension 50 years ago, right 1312 01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:52,740 here on this campus, those of us coming from our own discrete 1313 01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:59,340 privileges. were forced to acknowledge what they were. It 1314 01:21:59,340 --> 01:22:05,550 blew my mind to find out that the men on this campus, the West 1315 01:22:05,550 --> 01:22:12,840 Campus, receive maid service. That is a woman, a person, a 1316 01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:18,150 human being, would come behind us and pick apart pajamas and 1317 01:22:18,150 --> 01:22:23,160 anything else we left when we came back or was set in place. 1318 01:22:26,610 --> 01:22:31,680 So that's Dr. William William C. Turner, of Duke University and 1319 01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:33,660 mount lube Baptist Church. I don't know if he's still there 1320 01:22:33,660 --> 01:22:35,040 now or not? Yes, yeah. 1321 01:22:35,070 --> 01:22:37,470 I was just looking at their website. 1322 01:22:38,310 --> 01:22:43,200 I mean, he, I mean, I was, what 19 years old, he does the sermon 1323 01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:43,560 on there, 1324 01:22:43,590 --> 01:22:48,420 he does a sermon seated, I can see a little less, he has to sit 1325 01:22:48,420 --> 01:22:50,820 down dirt and doing the sermon. So he Oh, yeah. 1326 01:22:50,820 --> 01:22:55,410 So what I'm going to show you that when you grow up in this 1327 01:22:55,410 --> 01:23:00,810 kind of environment where your pastor is a PhD from Duke, um, 1328 01:23:01,020 --> 01:23:05,220 you have several other people in the congregation from Duke, and 1329 01:23:05,220 --> 01:23:10,380 other universities. You want a music minister, his daughter was 1330 01:23:10,380 --> 01:23:16,200 like, a super genius. And she went on to go to MIT. It was it 1331 01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:20,370 gave us the perception, like anything was possible. Sure. So 1332 01:23:20,370 --> 01:23:26,400 I'm just showing you how, even in an environment that he was 1333 01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:30,930 saying, like when he went to do the maybes, were seen as 1334 01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:34,140 objects, right? But he was, he was loved. Right? Right. He's 1335 01:23:34,140 --> 01:23:38,700 like, Okay, here's a, you know, black super student, we can love 1336 01:23:38,700 --> 01:23:42,090 him. But then the main, she's this object. And it's this 1337 01:23:42,090 --> 01:23:47,010 complex, creative contradiction that goes on. So I'm just laying 1338 01:23:47,010 --> 01:23:51,150 this all out there. In this place called Do you can have 1339 01:23:51,150 --> 01:23:54,870 somebody that is receiving their PhD, but they're getting their 1340 01:23:54,870 --> 01:23:59,070 stuff picked up by a nurse and a black lady just kind of looked 1341 01:23:59,070 --> 01:24:03,150 at as, like, you know, just to help. Um, so I'm just trying to 1342 01:24:03,150 --> 01:24:07,110 say I'm just giving texture to what, what my experience was, 1343 01:24:07,110 --> 01:24:11,190 and also what was going on at the campus to you know, to 1344 01:24:11,190 --> 01:24:15,660 develop this kind of culture. So, um, hopefully, hopefully is 1345 01:24:15,660 --> 01:24:16,320 translating. 1346 01:24:16,440 --> 01:24:18,180 Yeah. When was this? 1347 01:24:19,350 --> 01:24:22,830 That clip from what what was the data? And this is the 2018. 1348 01:24:23,220 --> 01:24:26,640 Okay, not that long ago. Yeah, this is right. This is this is 1349 01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:30,960 super recent. So, um, yeah, so he was 50 years ago. So that had 1350 01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:37,110 to be 1970s 1968. Yeah. Um, so let's get to his second part of 1351 01:24:37,110 --> 01:24:37,650 his clip. 1352 01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:45,150 The privilege I enjoyed, was that I knew what it meant to be 1353 01:24:45,150 --> 01:24:50,340 the apple of my mother's the apple of my father's eye, the 1354 01:24:50,340 --> 01:24:56,610 darling of my community, my school, my church. So great 1355 01:24:56,610 --> 01:25:01,920 distance was precipitated on the inside. Aside from the Naval 1356 01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:06,720 knowledge of what it meant to be beloved, and then to be treated 1357 01:25:06,780 --> 01:25:14,280 as unloved, on rope become even worse, to see people like the 1358 01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:17,700 ones I cherished, and who I had come to love and who are 1359 01:25:17,700 --> 01:25:22,740 cherished me treat it like they were object of someone else's 1360 01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:31,230 desire. housekeepers calm by the first names. People only love 1361 01:25:31,230 --> 01:25:35,820 receiving paid below minimum wage knowing the school 1362 01:25:35,850 --> 01:25:41,370 patronized institutions that still practice racial 1363 01:25:41,370 --> 01:25:47,430 segregation, going to classes where your experience was 1364 01:25:47,430 --> 01:25:53,910 disregarded that the time came. Where the meaning and experience 1365 01:25:53,910 --> 01:26:00,420 of being beloved clashed with behaviors and performances that 1366 01:26:00,450 --> 01:26:07,920 misspoke everything but love. We could keep our eyes fixed on the 1367 01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:12,450 train that was coming. The train the impression sing about the 1368 01:26:12,450 --> 01:26:17,190 set, you don't need no baggage. You get on board or you need to 1369 01:26:17,190 --> 01:26:20,250 say, to hear the diesel's humming 1370 01:26:23,220 --> 01:26:25,020 Alright, what do I take away from that? 1371 01:26:25,890 --> 01:26:31,860 So he was more he was just saying that just texted to get 1372 01:26:31,860 --> 01:26:36,180 perspective that he was a star student and this goes that town 1373 01:26:36,180 --> 01:26:42,510 that 10th Boulais mentality of okay, we will sabotage you. But 1374 01:26:42,540 --> 01:26:45,390 it leads to more to what the doctor were saying as well. Once 1375 01:26:45,390 --> 01:26:50,250 he knew I was a doctor all he treated me like a human. Um, so 1376 01:26:50,460 --> 01:26:54,390 all this is baked into what Duke is. And the reason why I put 1377 01:26:54,420 --> 01:26:58,920 this these two clips in here is don't Don't get it twisted. The 1378 01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:03,210 Duke understood donating money to the Methodist church with 1379 01:27:03,210 --> 01:27:09,510 trigger now to the African Methodist. am me. Sure. Which 1380 01:27:09,540 --> 01:27:12,360 was the reverend's which they say how to control people. 1381 01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:15,150 Always got to rev. 1382 01:27:15,660 --> 01:27:18,420 Alright, so they had all the bases covered. And the reason 1383 01:27:18,420 --> 01:27:21,480 why I brought this up. Another reason I brought this up is the 1384 01:27:21,480 --> 01:27:25,770 reverence were very quiet on this case. They knew where their 1385 01:27:25,770 --> 01:27:31,140 bread was buttered. Oh, bad. That's why you had to go get a 1386 01:27:31,170 --> 01:27:34,380 What was his name? Malik. Chabad. Bass. Yeah. You know, I 1387 01:27:34,380 --> 01:27:36,630 mean, any other time you would have had an Al Sharpton Jesse 1388 01:27:36,630 --> 01:27:39,540 Jackson. But they knew it's like, you don't really want to 1389 01:27:39,540 --> 01:27:42,060 step on Dukes toes. So 1390 01:27:42,660 --> 01:27:46,980 Right. Yeah. What I mean? Yeah, well, this, this is there. They 1391 01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:50,190 they are Durham and they are North Carolina's business. 1392 01:27:51,270 --> 01:27:56,220 Yeah, I mean, in more ways than one. So now we get into the 1393 01:27:56,250 --> 01:27:58,860 other businesses that they took part in. This is going back to 1394 01:27:58,860 --> 01:28:01,320 the history clips from Robert Darnton 1395 01:28:01,740 --> 01:28:05,820 in the business area, I think the most creative thing he did 1396 01:28:05,820 --> 01:28:11,880 was was the Duke Power Company. phenomenally, creative, 1397 01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:17,280 visionary sort of enterprise. He got into hydroelectric power 1398 01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:21,270 when it was the frontier of so many people were scared of 1399 01:28:21,270 --> 01:28:24,840 electricity, and they had to sell the idea of electricity to 1400 01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:29,340 a lot of Milan. Textile Milan was because they were scared of 1401 01:28:29,340 --> 01:28:36,180 it. But I think that was a tremendous, tremendously 1402 01:28:36,180 --> 01:28:42,180 creative sort of thing. And one reason he wanted to he got into 1403 01:28:42,210 --> 01:28:47,970 hydroelectricity was because he didn't talk a lot about his 1404 01:28:47,970 --> 01:28:53,490 motives, his reasons for doing things but and he never wants to 1405 01:28:53,490 --> 01:28:59,070 use the term New South. As far as I know, I never saw it. But 1406 01:28:59,070 --> 01:29:02,370 he was stressed about the poverty of this region after the 1407 01:29:02,370 --> 01:29:07,530 Civil War, he grew up in it. And I think he saw textile 1408 01:29:07,530 --> 01:29:12,180 manufacturing as the best avenue out of this poverty. And of 1409 01:29:12,180 --> 01:29:15,720 course, he wants to sell hydro electricity to these textile 1410 01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:20,430 mills. And of course, that's exactly what happened. So that 1411 01:29:20,430 --> 01:29:24,930 the the Carolina Piedmont became one of the great suitors of the 1412 01:29:24,930 --> 01:29:28,950 textile industry. Now that day has passed, of course, but the 1413 01:29:28,950 --> 01:29:34,560 textile industry laid a foundation. What today is one of 1414 01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:39,000 the most prosperous, economically advanced regions in 1415 01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:39,600 the country? 1416 01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:45,840 Wow, man, that was 1905. When they put the they use the dam. 1417 01:29:46,440 --> 01:29:50,670 Yes, to generate electricity that that's like back to Tesla 1418 01:29:50,670 --> 01:29:53,520 days, almost. It's not long after Niagara Falls. 1419 01:29:53,820 --> 01:29:58,110 Right. And what that does was that opened up the textile mill. 1420 01:29:58,110 --> 01:30:02,820 Sure. So now the Dukes The hospital. They have the in case, 1421 01:30:03,540 --> 01:30:06,450 your hand gets in the mill right in the gin and the cotton's 1422 01:30:07,859 --> 01:30:10,709 the pornchai. Makers, where are you going to work? This not Duke 1423 01:30:10,709 --> 01:30:13,709 connected, you have the textile mills, which is running off Duke 1424 01:30:13,709 --> 01:30:19,619 Power. You have the hospital, you have the tobacco company. 1425 01:30:20,099 --> 01:30:25,139 Maybe you have the university itself. And it's damn near 1426 01:30:25,139 --> 01:30:29,729 impossible to work in a place in Durham, there's not insurance by 1427 01:30:29,729 --> 01:30:30,449 Duke. Sure, 1428 01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:35,430 sure. But yeah, that's that's the same was like college 1429 01:30:35,430 --> 01:30:39,450 station, you know, has a&m and there's lots of places that have 1430 01:30:39,450 --> 01:30:43,470 that rich, rich history of multi generations. But this one's 1431 01:30:43,470 --> 01:30:44,310 quite unique. 1432 01:30:45,150 --> 01:30:48,900 So I'm just setting up the opponent. Yeah, that you know, 1433 01:30:48,900 --> 01:30:52,410 this, this woman and the DA we're going to get Oh, yeah. 1434 01:30:53,970 --> 01:30:56,490 This is David and Goliath to the max. 1435 01:30:56,759 --> 01:30:59,789 Are you dumb? I mean, I don't I don't get where you 1436 01:30:59,820 --> 01:31:03,090 both both. Sometimes, if you're really trying to run an OP or 1437 01:31:03,090 --> 01:31:07,560 something. Yeah, the bigger the lie, the more believable it is. 1438 01:31:08,490 --> 01:31:11,370 And that's the point. It's like, what what really happened here 1439 01:31:11,370 --> 01:31:16,140 who really put that battery in iPhones back? He knows he knows 1440 01:31:16,140 --> 01:31:21,090 the politics. Oh, who is going against? Was this the inside 1441 01:31:21,090 --> 01:31:23,670 coup? And we really have to look at that. And 1442 01:31:23,670 --> 01:31:30,990 inside was it within Duke University? Yes. Well, no matter 1443 01:31:30,990 --> 01:31:38,790 what, no matter what mine, My money's on Buck. Buck, Buck 1444 01:31:38,790 --> 01:31:40,050 sounds like the guy to me. 1445 01:31:41,340 --> 01:31:45,090 So to have the textile mills that have the hospitals that 1446 01:31:45,090 --> 01:31:50,460 have them, the tobacco warehouses, they have everything 1447 01:31:50,460 --> 01:31:53,430 wrapped up in the whole city. And this guy thinks he's gonna 1448 01:31:53,430 --> 01:31:56,040 pull one over on the Duke lacrosse team, and it's not 1449 01:31:56,040 --> 01:32:00,390 going to happen. So I guess, what we can do is we can go 1450 01:32:00,390 --> 01:32:04,500 ahead and jump into 1980. And this is just a little fun fact. 1451 01:32:04,530 --> 01:32:08,880 This is from the Duke University Sanford School of Public Policy. 1452 01:32:09,150 --> 01:32:12,150 And just to go you show you how some of the things that were 1453 01:32:12,150 --> 01:32:15,150 going on in DERM are public news now. 1454 01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:22,950 Not only were you not allowed to sell to non Caucasians, it was 1455 01:32:22,950 --> 01:32:28,500 prohibited for you to have non Caucasians spend the night 1456 01:32:29,130 --> 01:32:37,290 unless they were a household servant. In the early 1930s, the 1457 01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:41,550 white women's garden club decided that Durham was really 1458 01:32:41,550 --> 01:32:46,440 missing a tree county that in order to make the city more 1459 01:32:46,770 --> 01:32:50,520 attractive to people and make it more comfortable for the people 1460 01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:54,300 lived here that the city should really undertake a massive tree 1461 01:32:54,300 --> 01:32:59,580 planting campaign. What was interesting was that the only 1462 01:32:59,580 --> 01:33:04,380 place the trees were planted we're in Welton, do white 1463 01:33:04,380 --> 01:33:07,500 neighborhoods like the one in Trinity park that we're standing 1464 01:33:07,500 --> 01:33:09,450 in right now your own watch street 1465 01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:14,220 no tree for you that you 1466 01:33:14,220 --> 01:33:19,170 can see on this map. Every block in the city where they planted 1467 01:33:19,170 --> 01:33:22,860 trees like this large one right here. There were no trees 1468 01:33:22,860 --> 01:33:26,280 planted in any of the African American neighborhoods or any of 1469 01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:28,590 the white working class neighborhoods. 1470 01:33:29,370 --> 01:33:32,370 Somehow I remember this I don't know if we had if we talked 1471 01:33:32,370 --> 01:33:33,750 about it previously. 1472 01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:37,470 Notice is in the news recently, trees are racist. 1473 01:33:37,740 --> 01:33:43,050 Oh, of course. Yes. I'm sorry. I'm so good. My history just 1474 01:33:43,050 --> 01:33:43,950 creeps up on me. 1475 01:33:44,430 --> 01:33:47,640 Right so this is the whole thing now with trees being racist that 1476 01:33:47,940 --> 01:33:51,570 that's the whole talking point. Like I said, what was happening 1477 01:33:51,570 --> 01:33:58,920 in this case? happening at Duke was a really a testbed for what 1478 01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:07,230 we're seeing with woke culture right now. Huh? Yeah, but dude, 1479 01:34:07,230 --> 01:34:11,070 I can see trees erasing. Tree trees are racist roads are 1480 01:34:11,070 --> 01:34:15,360 racist. That's DERM because they ran out and that's true. Not not 1481 01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:18,810 the like somebody said the Puerto Rican buses that they 1482 01:34:18,810 --> 01:34:22,200 were trying to take out the Joan Beach. I'm talking about they 1483 01:34:22,200 --> 01:34:26,220 use urban development to run Durham freeway right in the 1484 01:34:26,220 --> 01:34:30,180 middle of Hayti which is a was the Black Wall Street turn 1485 01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:35,430 right? So these things are real but these won't people 1486 01:34:35,430 --> 01:34:40,800 trivialize them to the point where they have no they lose 1487 01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:46,320 their potency to say oh rows are racist or trees are racist. Um, 1488 01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:49,320 but the thing with the trees I don't understand it. Why can 1489 01:34:49,350 --> 01:34:52,440 people plant their own trees? See, this is this is the point 1490 01:34:52,440 --> 01:34:55,890 where you're like you're saying with Bitcoin or whatever else, 1491 01:34:56,280 --> 01:34:59,850 do your own thing. Plant your own trees. Don't wait for the 1492 01:34:59,850 --> 01:35:00,000 tree. 1493 01:35:02,550 --> 01:35:03,270 to show up 1494 01:35:04,830 --> 01:35:08,280 what trees are wonder, right? One of the really things that 1495 01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:12,360 just as a quick aside that can show well, that you can buy a 1496 01:35:12,360 --> 01:35:16,770 tree. I mean, you can, but it's kind of like institutional 1497 01:35:16,770 --> 01:35:20,340 wealth, it's just the way it has to be planted, grown, tended to, 1498 01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:24,390 or you can come in and just buy the property that tree has been 1499 01:35:24,390 --> 01:35:27,240 grown on, which basically, you're buying time. Right, 1500 01:35:27,240 --> 01:35:30,660 right, you don't have time, you don't have time. Or you want a 1501 01:35:30,660 --> 01:35:35,910 tree, that I mean, but that lawns and trees that's like one 1502 01:35:35,910 --> 01:35:38,730 of the most like, privilege themes that you can have, 1503 01:35:38,789 --> 01:35:41,579 that kind of goes back to what the pastor said, you can you can 1504 01:35:41,579 --> 01:35:45,509 be the victim or you can not feel like a victim. 1505 01:35:46,020 --> 01:35:48,420 Right. And that's that's the point I was making that when 1506 01:35:48,450 --> 01:35:51,180 people say, Oh, well, my why you're kind of different or 1507 01:35:51,180 --> 01:35:57,000 whatever. It's because I was incubated in a environment, one 1508 01:35:57,000 --> 01:36:00,840 being the home. And that's why I say family is important, a huge, 1509 01:36:00,840 --> 01:36:04,890 important component of this show. Because look at the Duke 1510 01:36:04,890 --> 01:36:08,700 Family, that was a family, they set out to have a family vision. 1511 01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:10,560 And that's how you get to that point, 1512 01:36:10,590 --> 01:36:14,100 right? But But just because you may not have grown up in that 1513 01:36:14,100 --> 01:36:16,650 type of environment, or that type of family doesn't mean you 1514 01:36:16,650 --> 01:36:17,550 can't change. 1515 01:36:18,419 --> 01:36:21,629 It's very hard. I mean, I'm not I'm not being duped, but I'm 1516 01:36:21,629 --> 01:36:25,859 just saying it's baked into your psychology that you can't do 1517 01:36:26,009 --> 01:36:29,849 that there's a ceiling over your head. This is a this is a real 1518 01:36:29,849 --> 01:36:34,709 thing. Yeah. And for every Nancy Grace, I just take color out of 1519 01:36:34,709 --> 01:36:38,849 it. But for every Nancy Grace, that grew up in that dirt road, 1520 01:36:38,879 --> 01:36:42,089 yeah, there's probably 50 that say, You know what, I'll never 1521 01:36:42,089 --> 01:36:46,109 get past this dirt road, right. So just going to show you that 1522 01:36:47,279 --> 01:36:53,069 the psychological aspects of no of you know, just the the victim 1523 01:36:53,129 --> 01:36:57,509 make victimization, the things that sold in critical race 1524 01:36:57,509 --> 01:37:00,929 theory, this is all plays into this whole case. But I had to 1525 01:37:00,929 --> 01:37:04,949 lay it out in this way to say, Okay, this is who they're going 1526 01:37:04,949 --> 01:37:11,459 up against. Um, and this is why they were so hated. They rep 1527 01:37:11,459 --> 01:37:15,899 they were representations, physical representation of this 1528 01:37:15,899 --> 01:37:19,679 white privilege, these three boys was an all the iron was put 1529 01:37:19,679 --> 01:37:20,099 on them. 1530 01:37:20,340 --> 01:37:24,570 This is just the wind up, ladies and gentlemen, we're just the 1531 01:37:24,570 --> 01:37:27,720 pitch is yet to come, you know, it's gonna be great, I think we 1532 01:37:27,720 --> 01:37:29,100 should take a little break here. 1533 01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:33,810 Black men have to be able to sit down at the same table for white 1534 01:37:33,810 --> 01:37:36,390 man has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the 1535 01:37:36,390 --> 01:37:39,420 feelings of that negro. And the Football League or has to feel 1536 01:37:39,420 --> 01:37:42,630 free to speak his mind without hurting the feeling of the white 1537 01:37:42,630 --> 01:37:45,630 man can bring the issues that are under the rug out on top of 1538 01:37:45,630 --> 01:37:48,090 the table and take an intelligent approach to get the 1539 01:37:48,090 --> 01:37:49,560 problem solved. That's the only way. 1540 01:37:52,200 --> 01:37:55,500 Yeah, and I think we've actually been doing some of that today on 1541 01:37:55,500 --> 01:37:59,310 the show. Yes, it's good. This is the legendary words of 1542 01:37:59,310 --> 01:38:02,790 Malcolm X. And we're doing exactly that sitting down and 1543 01:38:02,790 --> 01:38:05,970 just talking about it. Now we got to talk about the value for 1544 01:38:05,970 --> 01:38:11,370 value in which this is produced this entire podcast, which means 1545 01:38:11,790 --> 01:38:14,640 exactly the way it sounds, if you get any value out of 1546 01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:17,970 listening to this, no matter what it is, that could be based 1547 01:38:17,970 --> 01:38:20,760 upon three hours of entertainment for yourself, or 1548 01:38:21,060 --> 01:38:24,510 equivalent to a couple of courses at a university history 1549 01:38:24,540 --> 01:38:28,950 class, which is what it is to me. Turn that around into a 1550 01:38:28,950 --> 01:38:32,010 number send it to us send it to us. And that'll be the value. 1551 01:38:32,010 --> 01:38:35,490 And the great thing about it is it's what the value means to you 1552 01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:38,220 something that you get to determine. And it is the only 1553 01:38:38,220 --> 01:38:42,060 way that we can keep this going now more important than ever, as 1554 01:38:42,330 --> 01:38:46,830 Moe, you're still in limbo on on your company and your your work. 1555 01:38:47,310 --> 01:38:51,870 Yes, I'm still in limbo of you know, my employment status. And 1556 01:38:51,870 --> 01:38:55,980 value definitely is needed. But I want to make one point about 1557 01:38:55,980 --> 01:39:00,660 this show. It's not about the downward thinking of race. 1558 01:39:00,780 --> 01:39:03,780 That's not what the point I'm trying to make is, I'm showing 1559 01:39:03,780 --> 01:39:08,820 this show is functioning families. Yeah, in life in multi 1560 01:39:08,820 --> 01:39:12,450 generational thinking, is the way out the takeaway I want 1561 01:39:12,450 --> 01:39:16,170 people to take away from this, I'm just illustrating how these 1562 01:39:16,170 --> 01:39:20,700 two things are colliding of people that want you to be a 1563 01:39:20,700 --> 01:39:24,720 downward thinker. And you know, you can't achieve this and that 1564 01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:27,510 kind of thing and being short example of what the Duke Family 1565 01:39:27,810 --> 01:39:32,760 to say, look, they had plans for their family, you know, what is 1566 01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:34,950 going to be and that's kind of the same thing. I see that in 1567 01:39:34,950 --> 01:39:40,260 myself. I have plans for my family. And this podcast is the 1568 01:39:40,260 --> 01:39:44,070 beginning of it, you know, it's not the end. And if everybody 1569 01:39:44,100 --> 01:39:48,720 assumes value alone, they're buying into that, you know, the 1570 01:39:48,720 --> 01:39:50,730 bigger plan because there is a bigger plan. 1571 01:39:51,660 --> 01:39:54,630 Yes, and it's interesting that you say that this surrounds 1572 01:39:54,630 --> 01:39:58,470 family because this truly is the MO facts fam. 1573 01:39:59,130 --> 01:40:01,860 Yes, the facts man. Family, family and 1574 01:40:02,280 --> 01:40:05,760 family and we got we got ideas for that. Stay tuned. Also, 1575 01:40:05,970 --> 01:40:10,530 thank you to everybody who has been diligently using a one of 1576 01:40:10,530 --> 01:40:16,380 the new podcast apps. So the on cancelable uninterruptible, 1577 01:40:16,650 --> 01:40:20,460 streaming payments of podcasts in 2.0. You can get a new app at 1578 01:40:20,460 --> 01:40:24,930 new podcast apps calm, there's, for any platform, I personally, 1579 01:40:24,930 --> 01:40:29,040 I like the web players. It has a Bitcoin wallet in there and you 1580 01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:33,150 can stream value while you're listening to it, you hit play, 1581 01:40:33,150 --> 01:40:36,360 it starts to hit stop, it stops. But you can also send a booster 1582 01:40:36,360 --> 01:40:41,910 Graham just like a super chat. And so we just got the software 1583 01:40:41,910 --> 01:40:44,940 to read that and I was trying to compile the whole list and then 1584 01:40:44,940 --> 01:40:49,050 it went away. And so I promise in for the next show, we'll have 1585 01:40:49,050 --> 01:40:52,950 a number of booster grams that people send through its MO You 1586 01:40:52,950 --> 01:40:57,420 have no idea how cool it is to see little pieces of Bitcoin 1587 01:40:57,420 --> 01:41:00,960 come into our wallet every single minute of every single 1588 01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:01,350 day. 1589 01:41:02,070 --> 01:41:04,440 And that's what I'm talking about right there. That's that's 1590 01:41:04,440 --> 01:41:08,730 the fourth thing. People have no clue Adam, they have no clue how 1591 01:41:08,730 --> 01:41:13,260 big this thing is gonna be. And their value is the you know, the 1592 01:41:13,260 --> 01:41:17,010 gasoline is gonna get there and we're just power and new power 1593 01:41:17,100 --> 01:41:18,030 and we're just stacking 1594 01:41:18,030 --> 01:41:20,790 that we're just letting that sit in our wallet and that's, you 1595 01:41:20,790 --> 01:41:23,670 know, we'll be able to maybe finance something bigger from 1596 01:41:23,670 --> 01:41:28,020 that in the future. Not today though. Is bitcoins about 50,000 1597 01:41:28,020 --> 01:41:32,190 But we're not worried Come on go Bitcoin 1598 01:41:34,350 --> 01:41:37,020 Hey, keep keep talking. But that's about perspective. 1599 01:41:37,170 --> 01:41:42,180 Exactly. 36 No, no, it's I love that you said I love that you 1600 01:41:42,180 --> 01:41:48,630 said you need to grow a tree. Bitcoin is the same way. It's 1601 01:41:48,630 --> 01:41:52,470 not an in and out and here's boom, here's my tree and now I 1602 01:41:52,500 --> 01:41:56,190 you know I now I get the Lambo No, no, no, no, no, this is, you 1603 01:41:56,190 --> 01:41:59,670 know, three years, five years, ultimately, 10 years, I have 1604 01:41:59,670 --> 01:42:03,390 wallets set up for every single child in my life. And every 1605 01:42:03,390 --> 01:42:07,260 single one of them has 1 million Satoshis in there. And 1606 01:42:07,890 --> 01:42:11,370 sorry, I see. Yes. My point. Yeah, 1607 01:42:11,430 --> 01:42:14,580 well, I just started this and it's so it's one it's 1 million 1608 01:42:14,580 --> 01:42:21,330 Satoshis which right now today is about $500 and it when I look 1609 01:42:21,330 --> 01:42:24,720 at all the kids that I'm connected to it's actually more 1610 01:42:24,720 --> 01:42:27,840 than I thought you know, it's like there's like 1011 kids so 1611 01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:33,840 and they're all going to get the the 12 key words upon my death 1612 01:42:33,870 --> 01:42:37,200 or at other time in the future and then they can do whatever 1613 01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:40,290 they want and no one can steal that from them no one can take 1614 01:42:40,290 --> 01:42:46,680 it away ever no government no nobody no nobody that's a WS 1615 01:42:46,710 --> 01:42:47,100 that's the 1616 01:42:47,100 --> 01:42:47,850 thing right there. 1617 01:42:50,850 --> 01:42:54,270 Hey, you know what, I need to do some kind of Bitcoin thing on 1618 01:42:54,270 --> 01:42:57,000 the mo faksa Entertainment enterprises network. You should 1619 01:42:57,000 --> 01:43:00,000 set me up. Get me in touch with the CEO. 1620 01:43:00,509 --> 01:43:01,559 We definitely do we 1621 01:43:02,610 --> 01:43:06,330 need to talk to the CEO. Alright, but now we really 1622 01:43:06,330 --> 01:43:09,600 appreciate people who've been sending in the Fiat fun coupons. 1623 01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:12,540 This is through the PayPal or the cash app. This is super 1624 01:43:12,540 --> 01:43:15,660 important because this actually is funding it while we continue 1625 01:43:15,660 --> 01:43:19,410 to build for the future. So doing both is even better and we 1626 01:43:19,410 --> 01:43:20,280 got to kick it off 1627 01:43:21,150 --> 01:43:22,230 Sakala 1628 01:43:22,260 --> 01:43:24,930 20 Blaze on I am Paula 1629 01:43:24,960 --> 01:43:28,350 we got to kick it off with Buddy Arsenault who comes in with a 1630 01:43:28,380 --> 01:43:35,610 highly recognizable $333.33 and threes yes it's a it's a nice 1631 01:43:35,610 --> 01:43:39,600 row of threes. He says the Kyle episode was enlightening. I 1632 01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:45,390 still love I still love you do I still love you do not quite sure 1633 01:43:45,630 --> 01:43:49,020 what if that was meant to be there. I grew up in a lot of 1634 01:43:49,020 --> 01:43:51,330 what you bring to the table please keep it going. Please 1635 01:43:51,330 --> 01:43:55,890 give me some and everyone some good karma. Maybe do some words 1636 01:43:55,890 --> 01:43:59,550 of dropping out. I think we'll do a mo goat karma here. Hold on 1637 01:43:59,550 --> 01:44:06,210 a second. You've got Buddy, thank you so much, man big 1638 01:44:06,210 --> 01:44:09,660 baller that'll be in the credits in the show notes at mo 1639 01:44:09,660 --> 01:44:13,650 facts.com Really appreciate it this is this is good man because 1640 01:44:13,680 --> 01:44:17,490 you know Moe is stalking as well with an uncertain future when 1641 01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:20,100 when do we know for sure with I mean 1642 01:44:20,220 --> 01:44:25,050 his job image January I'll have a definitive answer on the 1643 01:44:25,050 --> 01:44:29,160 status is leaning like it's not it's not it's not gonna go that 1644 01:44:29,160 --> 01:44:31,770 way. And but you know, we'll see how it goes. 1645 01:44:32,550 --> 01:44:34,740 There's not going to go which way that 1646 01:44:35,700 --> 01:44:37,920 they're not I don't think they're gonna reverse the status 1647 01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:41,310 of the mandate for the for the corporation? I don't think so. I 1648 01:44:41,310 --> 01:44:44,760 think that Paul OSHA thing was just the tip of the hat to the 1649 01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:46,440 company's corporate Yeah, 1650 01:44:46,440 --> 01:44:50,160 right. And I agree they it seems like everyone's ignoring any 1651 01:44:50,160 --> 01:44:56,910 lawsuits about it or anything. Anyway. The famous with you, Mo 1652 01:44:57,660 --> 01:44:58,920 I appreciate every one of 1653 01:44:59,339 --> 01:45:03,029 250 dollars NS and executive producer credit for calling 1654 01:45:03,029 --> 01:45:06,389 McClain. Mo I appreciate you and Adam standing up against 1655 01:45:06,389 --> 01:45:09,449 misinformation from the corrupt corporate media. Proudly 1656 01:45:09,449 --> 01:45:12,719 unvaccinated in the communist state of Washington respect we 1657 01:45:12,719 --> 01:45:18,929 much. Very good. Thank you calling dance Houston $250 Y'all 1658 01:45:18,929 --> 01:45:22,019 swing by the Nutcracker party. It's Christmas family special 1659 01:45:22,019 --> 01:45:26,249 available on Vimeo on Amazon Prime Video from $1.99 What is 1660 01:45:26,249 --> 01:45:30,929 this an ad? Oh no, no, no I know this is you know, this is this 1661 01:45:30,929 --> 01:45:37,109 is our producer who, who I think is in it or produced it? Yeah, 1662 01:45:37,409 --> 01:45:40,529 dance Houston tells the classic tale with new moves the 1663 01:45:40,529 --> 01:45:44,009 Tchaikovsky's Nutcracker Suite, rearranges, hip hop, Latin 1664 01:45:44,009 --> 01:45:47,489 country, reggae and rock. We're doing way more than sitting down 1665 01:45:47,489 --> 01:45:50,069 together. The amazing soundtrack is also available on all 1666 01:45:50,069 --> 01:45:54,779 streaming platforms if we don't have the name, but this producer 1667 01:45:54,779 --> 01:45:59,999 also sent in a somewhat longer note to no agenda and actually 1668 01:45:59,999 --> 01:46:04,259 produced this nutcrackers thing. Nice. Yeah, it's like, you know, 1669 01:46:04,259 --> 01:46:11,459 it's like a Hamilton. Only the Nutcracker. No, put that on. We 1670 01:46:11,459 --> 01:46:15,479 already laughed about it. Man, we got to do a thing on Lindman. 1671 01:46:15,479 --> 01:46:20,339 Well, what's his name Noriega. I always say? We're gonna talk 1672 01:46:20,339 --> 01:46:25,079 about that guy. Okay. Continuing Lorraine Converse who sent us a 1673 01:46:25,079 --> 01:46:30,959 row a duck's 222 and 22 it AMone Adam hope I note finds you in 1674 01:46:30,959 --> 01:46:33,269 good spirits and your families and good health. Yes, I believe 1675 01:46:33,269 --> 01:46:36,359 we are. You don't have to read this loudest the episode is 1676 01:46:36,359 --> 01:46:41,429 running long now. It come on is Lorraine, you're an executive 1677 01:46:41,429 --> 01:46:45,749 producer we read EP EPS right which I'm sure everyone wants to 1678 01:46:45,749 --> 01:46:48,359 hear you discuss the new topic then listen to my know what 1679 01:46:48,359 --> 01:46:51,209 we'll say. Many of the topics are difficult to delve into but 1680 01:46:51,209 --> 01:46:54,149 your discussions are measured and considered without dumbing 1681 01:46:54,149 --> 01:46:57,989 it down or condescending to your listeners. Some past episodes 1682 01:46:57,989 --> 01:47:00,989 have haunted me because of how brutal The reality is. And I 1683 01:47:00,989 --> 01:47:04,139 appreciate both of you handling the details in a manner that is 1684 01:47:04,139 --> 01:47:07,589 respectful without suppressing the truth. As a result I have 1685 01:47:07,589 --> 01:47:10,439 encouraged friends and families to listen to have a few have 1686 01:47:10,439 --> 01:47:14,249 become subscribers. Please D dead beat me and add any other 1687 01:47:14,249 --> 01:47:17,609 jingles you feel appropriate. Okay, 1688 01:47:18,150 --> 01:47:23,160 congratulation. You're no longer dead the 1689 01:47:23,190 --> 01:47:27,720 two of you how about I'm sending you tons of good OSS energy. 1690 01:47:27,840 --> 01:47:35,610 Take that. Take that take that you've got karma and Lorraine 1691 01:47:35,610 --> 01:47:38,460 concludes many blessings much love thank you for your courage 1692 01:47:38,460 --> 01:47:45,810 Dame brazen bird. Yes. Very much. On to Jason Kretschmann 1693 01:47:46,110 --> 01:47:49,560 $200 Hello gentlemen. Jason rice after hearing Adam reference mo 1694 01:47:49,560 --> 01:47:53,250 facts of the no agenda show several times. Yeah, there I am 1695 01:47:53,280 --> 01:47:56,820 doing the marketing. I decided to subscribe to the show but 1696 01:47:56,820 --> 01:48:00,480 never listened to an episode until recently. Well, not a 1697 01:48:00,480 --> 01:48:04,170 shocker, but I waited too long. Brilliant. My favorite clip has 1698 01:48:04,170 --> 01:48:08,040 been the trick baby dinner scene. Mind blown. You've taken 1699 01:48:08,040 --> 01:48:10,890 me down way too many rabbit holes to count Bill Cosby 1700 01:48:10,890 --> 01:48:15,090 colorism, white supremacy and the most eye opening the Boulay. 1701 01:48:15,210 --> 01:48:18,210 Keep them coming. Jason Kretschmann. Richmond, Indiana. 1702 01:48:18,210 --> 01:48:24,000 Thanks, Jason. That's how I feel too. And, and it is it is very 1703 01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:28,110 cool. How I think Moe and I we're not trying to be sensitive 1704 01:48:28,110 --> 01:48:31,320 about anything. We're just honest. When you're honest. You 1705 01:48:31,320 --> 01:48:34,740 know, there's so much falls away, I think something like 1706 01:48:34,740 --> 01:48:35,760 that. What do you think Mo? 1707 01:48:36,480 --> 01:48:39,570 Yeah, the producers that allow us to be honest, because we 1708 01:48:39,570 --> 01:48:45,060 don't have to cater to advertisers. So our ego, we 1709 01:48:45,060 --> 01:48:49,710 could be honest by ourselves, of course, but that's the 1710 01:48:49,710 --> 01:48:53,520 production point. That's the executive power that they have. 1711 01:48:53,520 --> 01:48:54,660 So we appreciate it. 1712 01:48:54,840 --> 01:48:59,670 That is it. That is exactly it. $200 and executive producer EP 1713 01:48:59,670 --> 01:49:04,050 credit for Steven page. honky lips, Rex Redbone sitting in 1714 01:49:04,050 --> 01:49:06,660 some love. All right. Love it. cook, 1715 01:49:06,660 --> 01:49:10,440 cook and Rex. Rex is always cooking something. Oh, is he? 1716 01:49:10,770 --> 01:49:11,970 Yes. Okay. 1717 01:49:13,470 --> 01:49:21,030 Let's see. 175 75 Anonymous take my money mode. This show is to 1718 01:49:21,090 --> 01:49:24,300 me. He wants me to do it. The Atom voice this show is too 1719 01:49:24,330 --> 01:49:28,830 important. Like a drop the T's important. No one can call me a 1720 01:49:28,830 --> 01:49:33,480 deadbeat. Angry hair. Okay. The People's Republic of Maryland. 1721 01:49:34,500 --> 01:49:41,040 Oral TW right like the wind. Possibly. Let me deadbeat just 1722 01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:44,610 in case that's better. That's what you meant here. Yeah. 1723 01:49:45,690 --> 01:49:50,970 Congratulation, you're no longer dead beat 1724 01:49:51,419 --> 01:49:56,639 up credit goes to 100 Auto share. $100 I'm so grateful for 1725 01:49:56,639 --> 01:49:59,429 you mon Adam. Gratitude is underappreciated in our 1726 01:49:59,429 --> 01:50:03,509 civilization. grants us interest in all things. It lights the 1727 01:50:03,509 --> 01:50:06,479 room you occupy ignites your fascination and allows you to 1728 01:50:06,479 --> 01:50:10,349 care for all things. Gratitude acts as an antidote to violence 1729 01:50:10,349 --> 01:50:14,189 and malice. It is essential to the advanced spirit for if one 1730 01:50:14,189 --> 01:50:17,639 takes gratitude seriously, it leads you to the infinite 1731 01:50:17,639 --> 01:50:22,499 mystery of existence. Oh man, that's deep. Thank you. PS I 1732 01:50:22,499 --> 01:50:25,439 don't know how guitar tech slash leather Smith can be of 1733 01:50:25,439 --> 01:50:28,139 assistance to you but I offer my talents in addition to some 1734 01:50:28,139 --> 01:50:31,319 treasure. Yes, time talent treasure. That's all we ask. 1735 01:50:31,319 --> 01:50:35,249 It's all we need really to produce this podcast. We'll get 1736 01:50:35,249 --> 01:50:36,359 back to your smooth 1737 01:50:36,450 --> 01:50:40,470 leathers. Yeah, guitar tech. We can find work for you 1738 01:50:41,850 --> 01:50:44,970 will find something we're ramping up Don't worry most most 1739 01:50:44,970 --> 01:50:48,240 taking meetings. He's got a calendar. He's talking to people 1740 01:50:48,330 --> 01:50:48,780 then the 1741 01:50:48,780 --> 01:50:53,280 booking information link tree and I just let people know I had 1742 01:50:53,280 --> 01:50:56,700 several meetings last week talking to producers. So this is 1743 01:50:56,700 --> 01:51:03,960 a real thing and just to go quickly back what was her name? 1744 01:51:04,020 --> 01:51:08,250 I lost her name. Lorraine. Lorraine. Lorraine Converse. 1745 01:51:08,820 --> 01:51:13,470 She's a project manager. Add your own no agenda social we'll 1746 01:51:13,470 --> 01:51:20,430 be talking nice. I'm utilizing every every option given to me. 1747 01:51:22,410 --> 01:51:25,410 It's fun seeing a new empire being built. Lovely. 1748 01:51:25,680 --> 01:51:29,340 I'm in my cocoon. David roll 1749 01:51:29,340 --> 01:51:33,720 EP credit with $100 Here's a 1010 spot 10 times spot for 1750 01:51:33,720 --> 01:51:36,780 buying one Sherman tank round in the southern hill country of 1751 01:51:36,780 --> 01:51:41,340 Texas. Mo make sure you get the fire at Adam be the target. He 1752 01:51:41,340 --> 01:51:46,860 will just be a flesh rune give blacks tanks. You would love 1753 01:51:46,860 --> 01:51:49,050 that mo this this ranch I went to 1754 01:51:49,620 --> 01:51:52,800 Eolas hear about that. Getting shoot stuff that sounds 1755 01:51:52,890 --> 01:51:58,050 flame throwers driving tanks around. I was crazy. I was it 1756 01:51:58,050 --> 01:52:04,350 was a very fun birthday party. GT maybe for GBT maybe for your 1757 01:52:04,350 --> 01:52:07,380 50s or for your 50th I'll let you shoot a tank. How about 1758 01:52:07,380 --> 01:52:13,500 that? Nicholas Ray EP with 100 love all the shows in the last 1759 01:52:13,500 --> 01:52:16,500 tapes have been fire. Sorry to hear about the job but you are 1760 01:52:16,500 --> 01:52:19,680 destined for greater things most stay strong and we will continue 1761 01:52:19,680 --> 01:52:25,410 to support you. Exactly. Facts fam. Rochelle Stowe grateful for 1762 01:52:25,410 --> 01:52:28,290 you both Mo and Adam. Love you guys. Keep it up. Thank you, 1763 01:52:28,320 --> 01:52:32,010 Michelle for your $100 William Balak with 100 No, nope, but we 1764 01:52:32,010 --> 01:52:37,710 do appreciate it. Um, then we have Daniel Miller who has two 1765 01:52:38,130 --> 01:52:42,240 donations, which total 100 together. So I'm just going to 1766 01:52:42,240 --> 01:52:45,330 count that as an executive producer. And I'll read these 1767 01:52:45,330 --> 01:52:48,780 notes here do one for 75 and one for 25 Keep up the good work 1768 01:52:48,780 --> 01:52:52,080 guys. You guys are breaking down huge topics and defeating 1769 01:52:52,080 --> 01:52:55,170 talking points with proof and logic. You guys are making the 1770 01:52:55,170 --> 01:52:59,160 world a better place Thank you. And thank you second note have 1771 01:52:59,160 --> 01:53:02,010 listened to almost all the episodes now and dispels you 1772 01:53:02,010 --> 01:53:04,620 guys have broken for me have been amazing. I hope this 1773 01:53:04,620 --> 01:53:08,310 continues for a very long time and reaches many more people. 1774 01:53:08,880 --> 01:53:13,920 And and I need to thank you very much Daniel. And I need to thank 1775 01:53:14,370 --> 01:53:18,960 Dred Scott who has been doing massive work, he's going back 1776 01:53:19,410 --> 01:53:22,260 and doing chapters for all these previous episodes, we're going 1777 01:53:22,260 --> 01:53:27,240 to get the transcripts in. So it's all searchable because if 1778 01:53:27,240 --> 01:53:31,380 there's anything I know what I want, and maybe there's someone 1779 01:53:31,380 --> 01:53:34,320 out there who can help with this. It's all the show notes 1780 01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:39,120 are always and we are in structured XML and we have all 1781 01:53:39,120 --> 01:53:41,550 these transcripts. It would be great if there was just one 1782 01:53:41,550 --> 01:53:45,240 place we could go and you type in you know that one? Oh yeah. 1783 01:53:45,270 --> 01:53:49,290 Adam and Joe were talking about this thing. It'd be a search 1784 01:53:49,290 --> 01:53:52,410 engine and it would pop up. I know it would pop up clips, it 1785 01:53:52,410 --> 01:53:55,410 would pop up the episode it would pop up the transcript. 1786 01:53:55,950 --> 01:53:59,640 That's a project we could really use because I think that's the 1787 01:53:59,640 --> 01:54:03,360 content that that you've put together for us Mo and the whole 1788 01:54:03,720 --> 01:54:07,380 the whole podcast is worthy of that is really is really 1789 01:54:07,380 --> 01:54:07,860 important. 1790 01:54:08,310 --> 01:54:10,740 And I'm guarantee somebody is gonna come up with and these 1791 01:54:10,740 --> 01:54:11,820 transcripts are great 1792 01:54:11,820 --> 01:54:14,280 because they have timecode so you can just click on it and 1793 01:54:14,280 --> 01:54:17,160 boom, it goes right to that spot in the podcast and you can play 1794 01:54:17,190 --> 01:54:22,800 you can share it. Podcasting 2.0 baby. It's what I do when I get 1795 01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:23,430 up in the morning. 1796 01:54:25,890 --> 01:54:27,270 Lag podcasts in the game, 1797 01:54:28,200 --> 01:54:31,530 Lanvin when Landry when I know how to pronounce this more or 1798 01:54:31,530 --> 01:54:36,390 less I think I'm close at 88 and that's Associate Executive 1799 01:54:36,390 --> 01:54:42,000 Producer ship for episode number 72. Traditionally Asians believe 1800 01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:46,860 in reincarnation so a number four meaning death turns into 1801 01:54:46,860 --> 01:54:50,970 eight for luck and good fortune. i Yes, the the four eights. 1802 01:54:51,300 --> 01:54:56,220 Congrats on setting a strong new course forward 8888 Also, I'd 1803 01:54:56,220 --> 01:54:58,440 like to thank Jennifer for giving me a shout out in the 1804 01:54:58,440 --> 01:55:01,650 last show to remind me that fans Emily means supporting each 1805 01:55:01,650 --> 01:55:05,190 other and we do that here at the MO facts family I hope this 1806 01:55:05,190 --> 01:55:09,600 support game with tag will continue and with that I'll give 1807 01:55:09,600 --> 01:55:14,160 a big shout out to Miss Judy s and chefs by V karma jingles for 1808 01:55:14,160 --> 01:55:21,120 all his do that right away you've got so this is Tiger 1809 01:55:21,120 --> 01:55:21,570 Auntie 1810 01:55:22,110 --> 01:55:28,140 This is Tiger Judy s and our very first donator spy V they're 1811 01:55:28,140 --> 01:55:29,640 calling each other out man and 1812 01:55:29,999 --> 01:55:33,539 I love this this is always fun. Yes I encourage this behavior 1813 01:55:33,539 --> 01:55:36,419 keep donating and calling each other out this is good we need 1814 01:55:36,419 --> 01:55:38,789 more jumping in Do you have any family members 1815 01:55:40,080 --> 01:55:44,640 enjoy and join and join the Lost Tapes live I mean that's a whole 1816 01:55:44,640 --> 01:55:48,690 nother component of the show. That if you're missing it if you 1817 01:55:48,690 --> 01:55:52,260 have a Wednesday night it's your free come over and join us 1818 01:55:52,260 --> 01:55:56,370 because these these three right here and there's one more Andrea 1819 01:55:56,370 --> 01:56:00,420 missing those for every live and they're just like cracking up 1820 01:56:00,420 --> 01:56:02,790 laughing and having a good time so 1821 01:56:03,390 --> 01:56:07,950 so Tiger Auntie gives us a PS if you donate in Paypal remember to 1822 01:56:07,950 --> 01:56:11,550 donate with a balance to friends slash family This avoids all 1823 01:56:11,550 --> 01:56:15,060 fees for sender and receiver is that's where we are the fam so 1824 01:56:15,060 --> 01:56:16,650 that makes total sense. Yes, 1825 01:56:16,680 --> 01:56:24,840 thank you so much Tiger Auntie OG phone arts? Yes, we know OG 1826 01:56:24,840 --> 01:56:29,160 from arcs. We've talked about them before 808 Thanks, Adam. Mo 1827 01:56:29,190 --> 01:56:36,180 I've made a pointer from facts innate.com fascinate.com to mo 1828 01:56:36,180 --> 01:56:41,850 facts. cool facts. donate.com Nice. Bitcoin is the cure for 1829 01:56:41,850 --> 01:56:46,230 parasitic fiat currency. Sincerely, Alexander Nadal. Yes 1830 01:56:46,230 --> 01:56:51,600 from Oxfam arts OG fo MK arts. Thank you very much. That's 1831 01:56:51,600 --> 01:56:55,890 right. John Taylor. He Associate Executive producer credit for 1832 01:56:55,890 --> 01:57:00,720 him was 72 that means also a coveted show donation credit 1833 01:57:00,780 --> 01:57:05,280 right there in the show notes GBG whoosah Yes, we don't we 1834 01:57:05,280 --> 01:57:15,630 never got to give blacks guns. And we just GBG Oh, yeah, we did 1835 01:57:15,630 --> 01:57:23,910 here it is. Cool. We that's what I got. Was that was that the one 1836 01:57:23,910 --> 01:57:31,920 yes. That's it. That's it. Okay. Onward to second show number 1837 01:57:31,920 --> 01:57:38,400 donation John corn first $72 corn first corn fourth corn for 1838 01:57:38,490 --> 01:57:41,520 me. I get it right corn fourth even gives me a nice Asian guy. 1839 01:57:41,520 --> 01:57:44,790 Yes. Mo and Adam, thank you for continuing to open my eyes to 1840 01:57:44,790 --> 01:57:48,180 the reality we have lived every episode is a history lesson that 1841 01:57:48,180 --> 01:57:52,410 makes me reconsider the ideas I had and choices I made. I'm 1842 01:57:52,410 --> 01:57:54,930 blessed with with a supportive wife and two beautiful 1843 01:57:54,930 --> 01:57:58,320 daughters. We have happily lived outside of the matrix our entire 1844 01:57:58,320 --> 01:58:01,140 adult lives. I know that mo will come out of his current 1845 01:58:01,140 --> 01:58:04,680 situation better for his decision. Aloha from currently 1846 01:58:04,680 --> 01:58:08,400 the freest island in the Pacific Ocean. Please de deadbeat me. 1847 01:58:10,350 --> 01:58:15,390 Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat. 1848 01:58:15,419 --> 01:58:21,149 Thank you very much, John. Much appreciated. AEP AP credit Olaf 1849 01:58:21,149 --> 01:58:26,039 Wolf 606 Thank you for all the provided information and the 1850 01:58:26,039 --> 01:58:30,389 value. You're welcome. Paul E lavado. $60. And he says Happy 1851 01:58:30,389 --> 01:58:33,089 Birthday mo much love to you both. That's very nice. You 1852 01:58:33,089 --> 01:58:35,009 caught I must have been listening to the live must have 1853 01:58:35,009 --> 01:58:38,489 been watching the live to know it was your birthday? Huh? Are 1854 01:58:38,489 --> 01:58:44,039 you jumping up and down on Twitter? Probably. Christopher 1855 01:58:44,039 --> 01:58:48,299 barsha Ron, double nickels on a dime. 5510. About time I stopped 1856 01:58:48,299 --> 01:58:51,599 being a deadbeat mo the effort you put into these presentations 1857 01:58:51,599 --> 01:58:55,139 and the smoothness of the conceptual buildups are amazing. 1858 01:58:55,349 --> 01:58:58,799 Thank you, Adam. He says, Well, you already know Yeah, I know. 1859 01:58:58,829 --> 01:59:00,389 I'm great at pressing these buttons. 1860 01:59:02,070 --> 01:59:05,700 Congratulations. You're no longer 1861 01:59:05,910 --> 01:59:10,440 dead. The couple more Associate Executive producers for 72 Zack 1862 01:59:10,440 --> 01:59:16,200 Welch with $55 My dude when his show on whites appropriating BC 1863 01:59:17,610 --> 01:59:25,350 thing you mean black culture? I guess we talked about it almost 1864 01:59:25,350 --> 01:59:25,950 every other show. 1865 01:59:26,340 --> 01:59:29,160 I was gonna say it's kind of woven into everything right? 1866 01:59:29,160 --> 01:59:29,250 It's 1867 01:59:29,250 --> 01:59:33,360 kind of the third one the fillers. Other show. 1868 01:59:33,690 --> 01:59:39,930 All right. So to be continued Zach. Aaron Hardy 5424 Thanks. 1869 01:59:39,930 --> 01:59:42,780 He says I really love the show. I heard you on the odd cast. And 1870 01:59:42,780 --> 01:59:45,450 I've been listening ever since great work and God blessed is 1871 01:59:45,450 --> 01:59:49,170 that an appearance you had on the podcast? Yes. When was this? 1872 01:59:49,590 --> 01:59:51,900 More appearances to come to thank you can 1873 01:59:51,930 --> 01:59:54,840 you you gotta be texted me when you do this out. You know, I'm 1874 01:59:54,840 --> 01:59:57,600 not on Twitter enough. And you know Twitter's racist and 1875 01:59:57,600 --> 01:59:59,460 doesn't show me your tweets all the time. 1876 01:59:59,580 --> 02:00:05,310 Oh, yeah. You got the Yeah. Yeah. feed that doesn't I don't 1877 02:00:05,400 --> 02:00:08,490 pierce through. Yeah, I'll send it to you and for people that 1878 02:00:08,490 --> 02:00:11,130 want me to come on their show the book information in the link 1879 02:00:11,130 --> 02:00:15,630 tree, I I don't want people to think I'm doom and gloom and 1880 02:00:15,630 --> 02:00:18,210 over here. Now of course we need resources to keep the thing 1881 02:00:18,210 --> 02:00:21,450 going. But of course, I'm staying busy. I'm not gonna let 1882 02:00:21,450 --> 02:00:21,960 anybody else 1883 02:00:21,990 --> 02:00:24,690 Oh, it's called Building. It's called building something you 1884 02:00:24,690 --> 02:00:27,870 building something that's what's going on here. Not I'm excited 1885 02:00:27,870 --> 02:00:29,340 to watch it and be a part of it. 1886 02:00:29,850 --> 02:00:34,260 And my calendar is like, full. I'm staying busy. 1887 02:00:34,290 --> 02:00:37,080 We call that as dance card mo your dance. 1888 02:00:37,980 --> 02:00:43,620 Okay. Workers. This is new to me. Empire. So you do 1889 02:00:43,620 --> 02:00:47,550 well, you're doing fine. So far, my friend fine. Final SOC 1890 02:00:47,550 --> 02:00:54,270 executive producer, Eric Hoko. From Deutschland, I believe $52. 1891 02:00:54,270 --> 02:00:58,500 And then no note, but we know Eric and we know him as a great 1892 02:00:59,550 --> 02:01:02,940 producer of several other podcasts. And thank you all very 1893 02:01:02,940 --> 02:01:05,520 much to these executive producers and Associate 1894 02:01:05,520 --> 02:01:09,030 Executive producers. These credits that you get are real 1895 02:01:09,030 --> 02:01:12,660 they're listed in the show notes if you can use them by the way 1896 02:01:12,660 --> 02:01:16,410 for anything for if you want to produce any other stuff or just 1897 02:01:16,410 --> 02:01:20,520 want to put it on your resume or even people put on IMDb you 1898 02:01:20,520 --> 02:01:23,400 could get on IMDb with this credit. Go ahead and look at 1899 02:01:23,400 --> 02:01:25,920 some of the more facts Chris I think we have a few who are also 1900 02:01:25,920 --> 02:01:29,160 in there who are big time Hollywood people this real 1901 02:01:29,940 --> 02:01:34,350 we got a few more people to but we have more thought we didn't 1902 02:01:34,350 --> 02:01:35,880 Yeah, now it's a long list. I 1903 02:01:35,880 --> 02:01:39,750 mean, nice and low. I was I'm confused. I'm sorry. But yeah, 1904 02:01:39,780 --> 02:01:42,300 cuz we'll see what happens. Oh, yeah. 1905 02:01:42,330 --> 02:01:43,650 I mean, collectively. 1906 02:01:43,680 --> 02:01:46,890 Oh, man. I was I was already thinking that was it. This is 1907 02:01:46,890 --> 02:01:51,240 great. Oh, look at the support. Alright, so yeah, William sola. 1908 02:01:51,540 --> 02:01:55,200 Came in with what is it? 5053 total? 1909 02:01:55,290 --> 02:02:00,510 Yes. 7350 7350 5073 1910 02:02:01,020 --> 02:02:03,120 Oh, is the ICU donation? 1911 02:02:03,780 --> 02:02:06,630 Yeah, the 2020 Oh, 1912 02:02:06,780 --> 02:02:12,450 2020 Oh, I gotcha. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yes. And he also says 1913 02:02:12,450 --> 02:02:18,450 GBG value for value FJ be love and respect. Bill sola. Thanks, 1914 02:02:18,450 --> 02:02:21,930 Bill. So that is also a socio executive producer credit for 1915 02:02:21,930 --> 02:02:27,720 you. See Davis with the 50. No note, Craig Scott 50. Like my 1916 02:02:27,720 --> 02:02:31,470 mom used to say don't spend it all on candy. He is known as the 1917 02:02:31,470 --> 02:02:37,890 zigzag wanderer, Edwin Torres GBG. He says $50 Maryland Plaza 1918 02:02:37,920 --> 02:02:42,030 $50 jobs karma for all of us that are in the same boat get 1919 02:02:42,030 --> 02:02:46,440 the V or the boot. I got quote the email a couple of weeks ago, 1920 02:02:46,440 --> 02:02:50,490 I had three options to answer one. Are you two? If so provide 1921 02:02:50,490 --> 02:02:58,530 proof of that. So one, two, not yet. But will before January 4, 1922 02:02:58,710 --> 02:03:03,150 at three No. And don't intend to wait with three. Now just 1923 02:03:03,150 --> 02:03:06,570 waiting to see what they say. It was sent the week before OSHA 1924 02:03:06,570 --> 02:03:10,440 put a halt. Yeah, Maryland. First of all, this is so 1925 02:03:10,440 --> 02:03:15,510 incredibly nice that that you're supporting supporting the show 1926 02:03:15,510 --> 02:03:19,260 in your own situation. But I have to say I really do believe 1927 02:03:19,260 --> 02:03:25,080 in jobs. Karma. You know that? Yes. That it is and it's really 1928 02:03:25,080 --> 02:03:29,100 odd. It's something about what is it? It's 1929 02:03:29,520 --> 02:03:32,700 collective? It's the collective everybody wishing her well. It 1930 02:03:32,700 --> 02:03:33,180 truly 1931 02:03:33,210 --> 02:03:35,730 Yeah, it really is in the summer. But there's something 1932 02:03:35,730 --> 02:03:38,670 about we do it on, on the no agenda show. I've been doing it 1933 02:03:38,670 --> 02:03:43,590 for, I don't know 1011 12 years. And it's just amazing how many 1934 02:03:43,590 --> 02:03:48,270 stories we have of people saying I want some jobs, karma and then 1935 02:03:48,270 --> 02:03:51,960 it just it just happens. And it's the collective it's some 1936 02:03:51,960 --> 02:03:55,530 kind of it's almost to me almost a religious experience. So 1937 02:03:55,530 --> 02:04:03,420 here's jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. You've got 1938 02:04:05,220 --> 02:04:08,430 so now Marilyn, you have to let us know what happens that is 1939 02:04:08,430 --> 02:04:12,840 your responsibility to let us know if it works. Cuz we didn't 1940 02:04:12,840 --> 02:04:15,720 we I think we've only had one or two jobs karma requests on mo 1941 02:04:15,720 --> 02:04:20,520 facts. Mm. See if it works here as well. Zachary may would. That 1942 02:04:20,520 --> 02:04:23,610 is Zachary is going to be our final Associate Executive 1943 02:04:23,610 --> 02:04:27,510 Producer with $50. And we appreciate that Zachary. And 1944 02:04:27,510 --> 02:04:33,570 that is going to do it for thanking these EPs and EPs and 1945 02:04:33,570 --> 02:04:36,450 reminder that it'd be great if everybody can also start 1946 02:04:36,450 --> 02:04:39,720 building towards the future. In addition to these Pay Pal and 1947 02:04:39,720 --> 02:04:44,400 cash apps, with some Satoshis with an app from new podcast 1948 02:04:44,400 --> 02:04:47,730 apps.com And thank you all so much for producing episode 1949 02:04:47,730 --> 02:04:52,560 number 772. If you'd like to be an executive or Associate 1950 02:04:52,560 --> 02:04:55,530 Executive Producer, go to moe facts.com. Or you can go 1951 02:04:55,530 --> 02:04:58,980 directly to our donation donation page, which is Mo fund 1952 02:04:58,980 --> 02:05:05,940 me.com mo e su ND me.com. Thanks again for producing episode 72 1953 02:05:06,150 --> 02:05:06,570 facts. 1954 02:05:08,040 --> 02:05:10,050 Alright, so to bring people up to speed, we're talking about 1955 02:05:10,050 --> 02:05:13,260 the Duke lacrosse case. I know people like we're Mo, you're all 1956 02:05:13,260 --> 02:05:16,590 over the place. But it all makes sense here. And it'll all make 1957 02:05:16,590 --> 02:05:20,100 sense in a minute. Because what I need to lay out was the 1958 02:05:20,100 --> 02:05:23,310 relationship to do the relationship to my hometown, 1959 02:05:23,730 --> 02:05:31,410 this fragile coexistence of this superduper power structure 1960 02:05:31,410 --> 02:05:36,120 called Duke University, Duke Hospital, Duke Power, the 1961 02:05:36,120 --> 02:05:40,500 textile mills and the tobacco company, and how all that played 1962 02:05:40,530 --> 02:05:45,630 into know the environment of this Duke lacrosse case when it 1963 02:05:45,630 --> 02:05:48,690 first came about. So hopefully, I've done that well enough. So 1964 02:05:48,690 --> 02:05:51,780 people understand and it also sitting on our pastor that 1965 02:05:51,780 --> 02:05:56,100 worked it do, you know, for many years, what effect that had on 1966 02:05:56,100 --> 02:05:59,700 me and then also my love for Duke basketball. Now, the see 1967 02:05:59,700 --> 02:06:05,490 Duke basketball is the big draw at the university. I tell people 1968 02:06:05,490 --> 02:06:11,730 this right off the bat is kind of like, what's a rock group 1969 02:06:11,760 --> 02:06:16,080 with the fans is bigger than the artist itself. Grateful Dead, 1970 02:06:16,710 --> 02:06:21,150 kind of like the Grateful Dead. I mean, that the Cameron Crazies 1971 02:06:21,600 --> 02:06:26,190 are the bigger draw, and a lot of kids go to do just to be part 1972 02:06:26,190 --> 02:06:32,670 of this group of fans. So much. So that guy recently paid a 1973 02:06:32,670 --> 02:06:37,110 million dollars for the last four tickets to do. He paid a 1974 02:06:37,110 --> 02:06:43,170 million dollars for four tickets to the last home game against 1975 02:06:43,170 --> 02:06:43,680 Carolina. 1976 02:06:44,400 --> 02:06:46,200 Wow, that's not very elitist. 1977 02:06:48,570 --> 02:06:52,080 This tells you I mean, and it's exclusive. It's not a big 1978 02:06:52,080 --> 02:06:56,850 stadium, it's a small, it's a small arena. So you they have to 1979 02:06:56,850 --> 02:07:01,920 actually spend a night in what's called a saysky view, after the 1980 02:07:01,920 --> 02:07:07,470 coach to get tickets. Um, and I'll talk about an other side of 1981 02:07:07,470 --> 02:07:10,410 this, but just to give you context to it. This is dupes cam 1982 02:07:10,410 --> 02:07:11,070 and crises. 1983 02:07:12,570 --> 02:07:15,600 For our students and our fans, it's become like a rite of 1984 02:07:15,600 --> 02:07:19,470 passage. Like it's something that you have to do 1985 02:07:25,980 --> 02:07:30,000 I've never low respect for the fans. And you know, I don't take 1986 02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:32,970 any of them for granted because, you know, they have to rules 1987 02:07:32,970 --> 02:07:36,960 they have to follow and then the line moderators who monitor the 1988 02:07:36,960 --> 02:07:39,690 line, I mean, they're they're strict. You know, it says a lot 1989 02:07:39,780 --> 02:07:42,300 about those, those guys and that's a great tradition that we 1990 02:07:42,300 --> 02:07:42,600 have, 1991 02:07:42,690 --> 02:07:45,120 please get on the sidewalk in group order. I want to make sure 1992 02:07:45,120 --> 02:07:47,070 you guys have your wristbands when you go in doors are opening 1993 02:07:47,070 --> 02:07:50,670 in 15 minutes. Our tradition has always been the most dedicated 1994 02:07:50,670 --> 02:07:53,130 students, the most passionate students should get the best 1995 02:07:53,130 --> 02:08:00,600 seats. Cameron crazes. It's a it's a really integral part of 1996 02:08:00,630 --> 02:08:04,410 our culture as a campus and our culture University is something 1997 02:08:04,410 --> 02:08:07,890 that brings our entire student body together in a way that a 1998 02:08:07,890 --> 02:08:11,040 lot of things on campus just can't just because of the way 1999 02:08:11,040 --> 02:08:13,110 that it's such a common experience that everybody wants 2000 02:08:13,110 --> 02:08:14,010 to experience together. 2001 02:08:18,450 --> 02:08:22,020 Really, a lot of the graduates they'll say for that I learned 2002 02:08:22,020 --> 02:08:25,920 so much about myself being in there. I got to know my 2003 02:08:25,950 --> 02:08:31,410 classmates or other Duke students great fashion Coach, 2004 02:08:31,410 --> 02:08:35,070 thanks. We had an incredible experience and Cameron 2005 02:08:36,990 --> 02:08:39,630 does over the top of strong and 2006 02:08:43,710 --> 02:08:46,800 we do our best to research the opponents we research you know, 2007 02:08:46,800 --> 02:08:49,170 their strengths, their weaknesses, kind of embarrassing 2008 02:08:49,170 --> 02:08:51,360 facts about them and anticipating what would get 2009 02:08:51,360 --> 02:08:54,030 under their skin that best and making sure that people are 2010 02:08:54,030 --> 02:08:56,520 being loud enough people cheering making sure that 2011 02:08:56,520 --> 02:08:58,860 there's good coordination between the the side 2012 02:08:58,860 --> 02:09:01,350 undergraduate sections and the two graduate ends is a very 2013 02:09:01,350 --> 02:09:04,410 important part of our job and that we take very seriously and 2014 02:09:04,680 --> 02:09:07,110 that's something that you know, that's been going on for ages 2015 02:09:07,110 --> 02:09:07,350 here. 2016 02:09:08,640 --> 02:09:12,030 And some of these these this camping this like months, 2017 02:09:12,120 --> 02:09:13,410 months, they're jumping up. 2018 02:09:14,730 --> 02:09:19,260 Wow, this is this is the draw. This is what made besides the 2019 02:09:19,260 --> 02:09:23,670 academic stuff, but this is what makes Duke $100,000 a year 2020 02:09:23,670 --> 02:09:30,690 school. Because it is a finite amount of games. It's rock star 2021 02:09:30,690 --> 02:09:35,070 celebrity. Yeah, in this. This is what made Duke nervous 2022 02:09:35,400 --> 02:09:39,030 because you have a black woman getting raped by white athletes 2023 02:09:39,060 --> 02:09:42,720 on your campus, where your biggest moneymaker is most of 2024 02:09:42,720 --> 02:09:46,560 the time, led by black basketball players running up 2025 02:09:46,560 --> 02:09:52,020 and down to court for free. And then you have the whole NCAA 2026 02:09:52,020 --> 02:09:56,190 slavery conversation. It was just they want this thing to go 2027 02:09:56,190 --> 02:09:57,810 away immediately. 2028 02:09:59,250 --> 02:10:01,710 Yeah, I can understand 2029 02:10:01,950 --> 02:10:05,250 and of course Nikes league lurking in the background. 2030 02:10:06,750 --> 02:10:09,390 Got all about those guys? Of course, 2031 02:10:09,390 --> 02:10:14,250 because Nike pays Coach K. Yeah. Which he recruits the players 2032 02:10:14,280 --> 02:10:16,350 the players play for free of course they get 2033 02:10:16,530 --> 02:10:21,270 now is that is that all okay and legally for for the coach to get 2034 02:10:21,270 --> 02:10:25,200 paid by Nike? Yes. That's crazy. 2035 02:10:25,680 --> 02:10:28,590 I mean, this is the power strike, like I said this is 2036 02:10:29,520 --> 02:10:35,460 gives the imagery of slavery. You have a white guy having four 2037 02:10:35,460 --> 02:10:38,220 or five black men used to do it has one or two white players, I 2038 02:10:38,220 --> 02:10:41,610 mean starters. So you have about four or five black guys running 2039 02:10:41,610 --> 02:10:45,570 up and down the floor. And it's a bigger issue for the NCAA. But 2040 02:10:45,570 --> 02:10:50,220 Duke is like their crown jewel, right? It's this. It's the 2041 02:10:50,220 --> 02:10:53,760 perfect, they're the perfect enemy. They have the Cameron 2042 02:10:53,760 --> 02:10:58,350 Crazies, as he said, they go and look for stuff to troll the 2043 02:10:58,350 --> 02:11:02,580 other players, right? Right, right, or your mom's whatever on 2044 02:11:02,580 --> 02:11:08,700 drugs or whatever it is, they're gonna put make signs and stuff 2045 02:11:08,700 --> 02:11:12,210 about it. And that's another reason why people hate Duke. 2046 02:11:12,630 --> 02:11:17,340 They hate they literally, when I say people hate do you mean 2047 02:11:17,340 --> 02:11:24,150 people hate Duke. Um, so this plays into it. And the most 2048 02:11:24,150 --> 02:11:29,700 hated person of all, and kind of like a red icon of what Duke is 2049 02:11:29,700 --> 02:11:36,420 all about was Christian Lightner. I 2050 02:11:36,450 --> 02:11:40,230 hate to the Christian Layton use a bad dude, but he could back it 2051 02:11:40,230 --> 02:11:43,710 up with his play. It was four versus evil. He didn't like him. 2052 02:11:45,330 --> 02:11:47,820 I wanted to jump down and punched you in the face. But if 2053 02:11:47,820 --> 02:11:51,000 people think sports is goody goody touchy feeling that's not 2054 02:11:51,060 --> 02:11:56,100 what if I told you haters gonna hate. ESPN Films presents a 30 2055 02:11:56,100 --> 02:11:59,970 for 30 film. I hate Christian Laettner Sunday, March 15. At 2056 02:11:59,970 --> 02:12:01,200 nine on ESPN. 2057 02:12:02,550 --> 02:12:06,270 Okay, now you're in territory that is very, very foreign to me 2058 02:12:06,270 --> 02:12:06,630 mo. 2059 02:12:07,050 --> 02:12:13,260 That's why they had a whole special about what was at 92. So 2060 02:12:13,260 --> 02:12:18,150 just came out. Maybe less than maybe like maybe 1516 years ago, 2061 02:12:18,150 --> 02:12:22,470 I believe. The guy's out of college, done with basketball 2062 02:12:22,500 --> 02:12:25,500 and people still hate him to this day because he was the 2063 02:12:25,530 --> 02:12:30,270 ideal person to hate. Like he was his preppy white guy but 2064 02:12:30,270 --> 02:12:33,630 really good at basketball. And he was like you go to do you 2065 02:12:33,630 --> 02:12:38,700 have a silver spoon in your mouth? Right? Um, but what I'm 2066 02:12:38,730 --> 02:12:42,270 highlighting this to say, this is the energy that was behind 2067 02:12:42,270 --> 02:12:46,110 the trial like yes, we got them. We got we got to do guys, you 2068 02:12:46,110 --> 02:12:49,230 know, we want to take them down there. No, they're douchebags 2069 02:12:49,230 --> 02:12:52,770 they're preppy boys. We got them. Right. And that was that 2070 02:12:52,770 --> 02:12:58,050 was why the media lapstone to hating dude. Because you have 2071 02:12:58,050 --> 02:13:01,650 like this high like say highly educated and then Holly winning 2072 02:13:01,650 --> 02:13:05,850 team and Coach K himself. I mean, he was known for cutting 2073 02:13:05,850 --> 02:13:09,570 out rafts. He came out under Bobby Knight. So he was that 2074 02:13:09,570 --> 02:13:14,880 kind of guy. Bobby Knight. Yes, sure. Yeah. And there could be 2075 02:13:14,880 --> 02:13:17,610 some NK Archer kind of things going on with Coach K, but I 2076 02:13:17,610 --> 02:13:20,340 won't go there. Because he did come from military. 2077 02:13:20,940 --> 02:13:25,170 Oh, boy. Come on. Come on mom. So disappointed. Not going. 2078 02:13:26,070 --> 02:13:29,820 Not and I'm not going because I don't have the fattest kid. I'm 2079 02:13:29,820 --> 02:13:34,050 just saying that it's awesome. To have that high level of 2080 02:13:34,770 --> 02:13:38,790 influence over I'm not talking about just pro me on college 2081 02:13:38,790 --> 02:13:42,930 players. Right. Pico. He goes to dream teams. And everybody will 2082 02:13:42,930 --> 02:13:45,630 come back like I'm so much better because the coach Kay so 2083 02:13:45,630 --> 02:13:49,170 there's some stuff there. I mean, there's some just some you 2084 02:13:49,170 --> 02:13:52,440 know, tidbits there that you could no probably run with God 2085 02:13:52,440 --> 02:13:56,490 but we have a Jalen Rose. Oh, the fast following. Have you 2086 02:13:56,490 --> 02:13:59,520 heard of fat five or not, but they were like five freshmen 2087 02:13:59,880 --> 02:14:04,440 that played at Michigan, right. And they were like that hip hop 2088 02:14:05,790 --> 02:14:11,040 team in the 90s and calm. They had like the ball heads and the 2089 02:14:11,040 --> 02:14:15,060 black socks and everything about him just just spoke to hip hop. 2090 02:14:15,420 --> 02:14:20,280 So Jalen Rose, he hated Duke as well. And he's on record here 2091 02:14:20,310 --> 02:14:23,580 talking about how he hated Duke and Christian Lightner and Grant 2092 02:14:23,580 --> 02:14:23,910 Hill. 2093 02:14:24,480 --> 02:14:30,480 The first year the Fab Five. With all freshmen go to the NCAA 2094 02:14:30,480 --> 02:14:33,990 championships. That is crazy. It's never happened before for 2095 02:14:33,990 --> 02:14:40,470 having again. And you guys hated Duke. Yeah, despise them. You 2096 02:14:40,470 --> 02:14:44,160 actually called the black players at Duke house Negroes. 2097 02:14:46,620 --> 02:14:52,890 That was the young me speaking. Yeah. This was the inner city 2098 02:14:52,890 --> 02:14:58,770 kid from Detroit. That felt like I wasn't getting that 2099 02:14:58,770 --> 02:15:03,990 opportunity based on my zipcode and the financial standing of my 2100 02:15:04,020 --> 02:15:04,830 family. 2101 02:15:05,520 --> 02:15:08,760 But you were in a fairly high opportunity situation at that 2102 02:15:08,760 --> 02:15:11,130 time, though, weren't you? I mean, you're going to the NCAA 2103 02:15:11,160 --> 02:15:15,060 Finals, you know, in a spectacular team. 2104 02:15:15,240 --> 02:15:20,040 And when and when the season ended in April and May, I was 2105 02:15:20,040 --> 02:15:20,730 right back in. 2106 02:15:21,870 --> 02:15:23,160 Gotcha. Staying at my 2107 02:15:23,160 --> 02:15:28,830 mother's crib that I grew up in. Gotcha. The same environment. 2108 02:15:29,040 --> 02:15:32,460 They'd hold the entire world gets to see me on the big stage 2109 02:15:32,460 --> 02:15:36,750 rocking the big shorts, black shoes, black socks, people 2110 02:15:36,750 --> 02:15:40,860 naming their kids Jaylen does now in the NFL or the NBA. 2111 02:15:41,010 --> 02:15:45,090 People rocking the hierarchies. Right back on the block. 2112 02:15:46,080 --> 02:15:47,700 That made you better? Of course 2113 02:15:47,700 --> 02:15:48,090 it did. 2114 02:15:51,480 --> 02:15:57,990 So this goes this goes to show you how the kids from Michigan 2115 02:15:57,990 --> 02:16:01,950 the Fab Five, the you know, the hip hop, basketball players. 2116 02:16:02,250 --> 02:16:06,120 They hate it to do players. Yeah, keep saying that. But you 2117 02:16:06,120 --> 02:16:08,790 can hear it in graining. And it's not that hating them 2118 02:16:08,790 --> 02:16:12,210 personally. But it's like all man and this is where the hate 2119 02:16:12,210 --> 02:16:18,120 comes from. Now. This is what you're seeing now that like, Oh, 2120 02:16:18,120 --> 02:16:20,910 let the world burn kind of thing. Like yeah, no tax the 2121 02:16:20,910 --> 02:16:27,060 rich eat the rich. This was the mentality then. Um, and it was 2122 02:16:27,060 --> 02:16:27,600 just it was it? 2123 02:16:27,600 --> 02:16:30,630 Was it? Was anybody really noticing this? Or is this just 2124 02:16:30,660 --> 02:16:34,110 hindsight where it's so obvious when you put it all together? I 2125 02:16:34,110 --> 02:16:37,500 mean, did you feel this at that moment the way you do now? 2126 02:16:37,950 --> 02:16:42,450 Yes, cuz that's the thing about being a black Duke fan. You kind 2127 02:16:42,450 --> 02:16:45,360 of get the same mentality. I mean, kind of all your house 2128 02:16:45,360 --> 02:16:50,670 negro. You are you like the white man's team, especially in 2129 02:16:50,670 --> 02:16:53,640 North Carolina, because, well, obviously, it would be the state 2130 02:16:53,640 --> 02:16:54,480 universities 2131 02:16:54,539 --> 02:16:59,849 obvious. It's obvious the problem with race in America is 2132 02:16:59,849 --> 02:17:04,379 all surrounding one thing. We have we have to ban basketball. 2133 02:17:06,000 --> 02:17:08,880 That said, I've never have especially on Tobacco Road. And 2134 02:17:08,880 --> 02:17:14,160 I can even be I want to have that conversation with you know, 2135 02:17:14,400 --> 02:17:22,470 what it is? is a representation of they have it all right. It's 2136 02:17:22,470 --> 02:17:25,860 like you can't be rich and good at basketball. I mean, like G 2137 02:17:25,860 --> 02:17:31,860 League. For guys, right? You know, so that's what really is. 2138 02:17:31,890 --> 02:17:34,470 And they were good. They were really good. And the coach was 2139 02:17:34,470 --> 02:17:39,210 really good. And it's just built that hey, up for the team, to 2140 02:17:39,210 --> 02:17:41,610 the point where he got frustrated that he called now 2141 02:17:41,640 --> 02:17:42,510 Grant Hill, 2142 02:17:43,980 --> 02:17:48,510 the Duke Duke basketball team, predominantly white players, 2143 02:17:48,930 --> 02:17:54,060 say here's the thing it would be you have like three black 2144 02:17:54,060 --> 02:17:57,690 players and two white players to think it'd be the perfect 2145 02:17:57,690 --> 02:18:03,360 representation. But Coach K will only take certain kind of black 2146 02:18:03,360 --> 02:18:08,520 players Oh, what is that that's what that's what you hit the 2147 02:18:08,520 --> 02:18:13,110 house Negro thing from but His thing was, you had to understand 2148 02:18:13,620 --> 02:18:21,270 a order. You had to understand, um, discipline, discipline. I 2149 02:18:21,270 --> 02:18:25,170 mean, he came from West Point. That's the thing and that 2150 02:18:25,200 --> 02:18:29,100 equated to most the time his players had fathers that would 2151 02:18:29,100 --> 02:18:33,930 be the difference. Uh, you know, it's changed over time because 2152 02:18:33,930 --> 02:18:38,280 the mean time you have to gravitate but when in the heyday 2153 02:18:38,280 --> 02:18:40,920 of do and when it was going right when it was really big, 2154 02:18:41,370 --> 02:18:46,770 and what was really a patriarchal system of gods that 2155 02:18:46,770 --> 02:18:53,010 were raised by men um so that's why you had the hate and Grant 2156 02:18:53,010 --> 02:18:54,630 Hill being one and just for 2157 02:18:55,020 --> 02:18:58,380 Rosie right. So so people are mad about one thing but then 2158 02:18:58,380 --> 02:19:01,620 they take they they make it about something else and so they 2159 02:19:01,620 --> 02:19:06,090 they take it out by trying to destroy the the so if Duke is 2160 02:19:06,090 --> 02:19:12,930 the family Duke represents Duke is the is the I'm trying to put 2161 02:19:12,930 --> 02:19:16,830 this together I paid me a whiteness well the epitome of of 2162 02:19:16,830 --> 02:19:24,180 the white generational wealth structure Yeah. So if Duke by 2163 02:19:24,180 --> 02:19:29,550 itself is a family then destroying all families is kind 2164 02:19:29,550 --> 02:19:33,150 of like a metaphor for for destroying all of the problems 2165 02:19:33,150 --> 02:19:33,960 that we have 2166 02:19:34,289 --> 02:19:37,499 is well destroying them if take will take down or do it would 2167 02:19:37,499 --> 02:19:39,029 have been a takedown of the patriarchy 2168 02:19:39,360 --> 02:19:43,470 you right right but proves right but by the same time I'm just 2169 02:19:43,470 --> 02:19:48,720 saying Is it because of this Duke as an example that oh well 2170 02:19:48,750 --> 02:19:52,290 the clearly we can have any families any families just know 2171 02:19:52,290 --> 02:19:54,780 families we can have families because always turns into some 2172 02:19:54,780 --> 02:19:58,740 power structure piece of crap. So all families have a destroyed 2173 02:19:59,190 --> 02:20:02,880 price melee To get rid of male leadership and which way to do 2174 02:20:02,880 --> 02:20:06,480 it is make them scared. So they are now so what 2175 02:20:06,480 --> 02:20:09,900 kind of pussies are these Duke guys that are letting women ruin 2176 02:20:09,900 --> 02:20:11,430 their lives ruin their family. 2177 02:20:12,630 --> 02:20:17,250 know whether or not you're gonna see him stand. This is gonna be 2178 02:20:17,250 --> 02:20:20,670 like Hamburger Hill like they're not gonna lose the heel. Okay? 2179 02:20:21,630 --> 02:20:24,480 But just to give context, the way you say about House Negro, 2180 02:20:24,480 --> 02:20:27,270 we got to go back and listen to Malcolm X, and to find a house 2181 02:20:27,270 --> 02:20:28,710 Negro from the field Negro 2182 02:20:29,399 --> 02:20:35,459 back during slavery. When Black people like me, talk to the 2183 02:20:35,489 --> 02:20:41,669 slave didn't kill him. They sent some old house Negro along 2184 02:20:41,669 --> 02:20:47,519 behind him to undo what he said. You have to read the history of 2185 02:20:47,519 --> 02:20:53,819 slavery, to kind of negros house Negro, and feel negro. And the 2186 02:20:53,819 --> 02:20:57,269 house Negro always looked out for his map. When the field 2187 02:20:57,269 --> 02:21:00,809 negros got too much out of line, he held them back in check. He 2188 02:21:00,809 --> 02:21:04,439 put him back on the plantation. The house Negro could afford to 2189 02:21:04,439 --> 02:21:07,289 do that, because he lived better than the field negro. He ate 2190 02:21:07,289 --> 02:21:10,259 better, he dressed better. And he lived in a better house. He 2191 02:21:10,259 --> 02:21:14,939 lived right next to his mask in the basement. You included 2192 02:21:14,939 --> 02:21:18,719 mastery, and more has been closed. You can talk just like 2193 02:21:18,719 --> 02:21:21,809 his master Master good addiction. And he loved his 2194 02:21:21,809 --> 02:21:25,109 master more than his master love themselves. That's why he didn't 2195 02:21:25,109 --> 02:21:28,409 want his master hurt. If the master got sick, he said, What's 2196 02:21:28,409 --> 02:21:34,439 the matter, Bob, we sit on the Master of Health. Trying to put 2197 02:21:34,439 --> 02:21:38,189 the fire out. He didn't want to mess the house. He never wanted 2198 02:21:38,189 --> 02:21:42,869 it mastered property. And he would more defensive of it than 2199 02:21:42,869 --> 02:21:44,639 the master was the house Negro 2200 02:21:47,190 --> 02:21:52,800 classic. So this, this equates to a black, white supremacist. 2201 02:21:53,940 --> 02:21:57,660 This is what you're seeing now with Larry elders and Kevin 2202 02:21:57,720 --> 02:22:03,060 Owens, right. Anybody that has you know, speaks well or uses 2203 02:22:03,060 --> 02:22:05,520 light logic or that kind of thing. It's like, oh, you're 2204 02:22:05,520 --> 02:22:08,370 you're saying you're a sellout. You're a house negro. That's 2205 02:22:08,370 --> 02:22:11,460 what the kind of thing was with the Duke basketball team. We 2206 02:22:11,460 --> 02:22:14,730 used to look at a grant he'll, he came from a good household. 2207 02:22:15,060 --> 02:22:18,510 His dad was a professional football player. Um, they didn't 2208 02:22:18,510 --> 02:22:21,090 celebrate, they didn't know you know, they were very 2209 02:22:21,090 --> 02:22:24,480 professional in the way they carry things. And that was like 2210 02:22:24,510 --> 02:22:29,610 born, you know, you post a dance at the slam dunk. And it's in 2211 02:22:29,610 --> 02:22:34,740 it's really the thing. The thing was was Wow, because I'm black. 2212 02:22:34,740 --> 02:22:38,700 You expect me to dance after I have a good play? Right? And 2213 02:22:38,910 --> 02:22:43,470 it's this there is the real racism is the expectation that 2214 02:22:43,500 --> 02:22:46,890 I'm supposed to dance or celebrate after I score? You 2215 02:22:46,890 --> 02:22:51,210 know, like, that's the black thing to do. You understand? You 2216 02:22:51,210 --> 02:22:55,830 understand what I'm saying? Like, it's, it was a real, I 2217 02:22:55,830 --> 02:23:00,690 identify more with do of being hard work and, you know, making 2218 02:23:00,690 --> 02:23:04,050 a smart play and not the stylish play all these things baked into 2219 02:23:04,050 --> 02:23:07,980 the little mo cuz I moved to Durham when I was 1011 years 2220 02:23:07,980 --> 02:23:12,690 old. And this is right when Duke started winning. Right. Um, and 2221 02:23:12,690 --> 02:23:16,200 grant he was there and I saw this guy that was like, No, I 2222 02:23:16,230 --> 02:23:21,150 just good. I mean, he was really good. And me coming from a small 2223 02:23:21,150 --> 02:23:23,340 town NorCal on a moving to Durham was like this the first 2224 02:23:23,340 --> 02:23:26,070 time I ever had to live in the city. They actually had a sports 2225 02:23:26,070 --> 02:23:30,180 team, as you can see on TV. But it was like, No, you can't cheer 2226 02:23:30,180 --> 02:23:35,160 for do by not, you know, the white team. They're racist. 2227 02:23:36,210 --> 02:23:39,210 Right? That was I mean, no, that's the best. It will be. 2228 02:23:39,900 --> 02:23:45,750 Just for content. It will be me in a room with maybe 15 People 2229 02:23:45,750 --> 02:23:48,720 watching the game and I'll probably be the only Duke fan. 2230 02:23:49,200 --> 02:23:54,270 Wow, this this. This is a very introspective episode because 2231 02:23:54,960 --> 02:23:58,680 this is part of the thick skin. It's like I'm looking at like 2232 02:23:58,710 --> 02:24:02,250 they're good. The way they're playing is good. And that guy's 2233 02:24:02,250 --> 02:24:05,310 good. And I identify with them. If you like why you're not in 2234 02:24:05,310 --> 02:24:08,070 North Carolina fan. Why? Why are you from North Carolina? Black? 2235 02:24:08,070 --> 02:24:11,280 I'm from Durham and dukes in Durham. That's why I'm a Duke 2236 02:24:11,280 --> 02:24:15,690 fan. Right so right right. But this being in an environment 2237 02:24:16,410 --> 02:24:19,170 where you know saying you will get trolled like don't lose 2238 02:24:19,170 --> 02:24:23,070 Don't be the only do fan there. You're losing. Oh, you're gonna 2239 02:24:23,070 --> 02:24:27,750 be you know, you're gonna be trolled so hard but this is what 2240 02:24:27,840 --> 02:24:30,780 kind of like I have a thick skin. I know sports are very 2241 02:24:30,780 --> 02:24:35,730 superficial. But it played a part a lot into who I am 2242 02:24:35,730 --> 02:24:43,080 personally. Because I think I don't care how good you are. I 2243 02:24:43,080 --> 02:24:47,160 can outwork you you know saying I can hustle you I can out you 2244 02:24:47,160 --> 02:24:50,670 know that's what dude was known for just hard defense and out 2245 02:24:50,670 --> 02:24:53,520 hustling. They didn't have the best players but they worked as 2246 02:24:53,520 --> 02:24:56,940 a team and he Coach K was say that this fifth thing if you all 2247 02:24:56,940 --> 02:24:59,730 worked as a fish you're saying like, cuz five plays in the 2248 02:24:59,730 --> 02:25:02,490 basket. saying you could be anybody. And that would that's 2249 02:25:02,490 --> 02:25:06,240 the mentality out there that was shaped on me. But when you had 2250 02:25:06,240 --> 02:25:08,220 that kind of mentality, and that's kind of like what Kanye 2251 02:25:08,220 --> 02:25:11,790 deal with, right? It was that, oh, you're not street enough. 2252 02:25:12,240 --> 02:25:14,370 You're not good enough. You're not tough enough, that kind of 2253 02:25:14,370 --> 02:25:18,930 thing. So all this bakes into me as a person. And so to see this 2254 02:25:18,930 --> 02:25:22,410 unfold the way it did, it's like, hold on, it's the same way 2255 02:25:22,410 --> 02:25:25,020 now. It's like, how do you want to get rid of families because 2256 02:25:25,020 --> 02:25:29,580 families are white? And that makes no sense. But that's the 2257 02:25:29,640 --> 02:25:32,490 that's the ideology is going along with it. But I don't want 2258 02:25:32,490 --> 02:25:35,910 to be long about it. But I was exactly what I just said. Jalen 2259 02:25:35,910 --> 02:25:38,670 Rose is gonna verify what what I just said. 2260 02:25:39,060 --> 02:25:43,470 Right. We've got a single doubt Grant Hill, who came from a rich 2261 02:25:43,470 --> 02:25:47,190 family, college educated parents, because dad played 2262 02:25:47,190 --> 02:25:50,340 professional sports. Yeah, Calvin Hill was a beast. Yeah. 2263 02:25:50,490 --> 02:25:52,560 And you were just jealous. Oh, basic. Yeah, I 2264 02:25:52,560 --> 02:26:04,980 was jealous. And so it's almost like the movie face off was John 2265 02:26:04,980 --> 02:26:09,330 Travolta and Nicolas Cage and a movie right? Or even like, 2266 02:26:09,630 --> 02:26:11,910 another one like ricochet. Remember, Dinsdale was in a 2267 02:26:11,910 --> 02:26:17,160 movie kind of like that, where it was where it's like, you see 2268 02:26:17,160 --> 02:26:20,880 somebody you're you're You're the heir to beside however you 2269 02:26:20,880 --> 02:26:24,930 see it, and you see somebody that has all of the things that 2270 02:26:24,930 --> 02:26:31,560 you want. And you ready for this, Vlad. And Dean, you think 2271 02:26:31,560 --> 02:26:34,470 they're soft, because you grew up in a hood, and you pour? 2272 02:26:35,010 --> 02:26:39,390 Right? This is what I learned a long time ago, your haircut, how 2273 02:26:39,390 --> 02:26:43,530 you wear your pants, how you speak your appearance, that 2274 02:26:43,530 --> 02:26:48,180 don't make you hard. And by the way, it don't mean nothing to be 2275 02:26:48,180 --> 02:26:53,820 tough. Anyway, the best player, the most talented player ever at 2276 02:26:53,820 --> 02:26:57,630 Duke is Grant Hill, the most accomplished player, it's 2277 02:26:57,630 --> 02:26:59,970 Christian late. Hmm. 2278 02:27:01,230 --> 02:27:06,210 So this is why I started with do because I had a dad, I was more 2279 02:27:06,240 --> 02:27:11,040 identify what grant healed in it. And Jalen Rose. Because I 2280 02:27:11,040 --> 02:27:13,920 had a dad and people will always say you don't know what a street 2281 02:27:13,920 --> 02:27:16,260 says about cuz you live in, you're saying you live in a nice 2282 02:27:16,260 --> 02:27:18,330 neighborhood or your dad, a teacher, your mom's social 2283 02:27:18,330 --> 02:27:21,600 worker. So you don't know the struggle. And it's like how 2284 02:27:21,600 --> 02:27:28,200 long, right? So I'm just letting this be known that this process 2285 02:27:28,200 --> 02:27:32,910 in which I'll see now, this was bait in like, say 1112 years 2286 02:27:32,910 --> 02:27:37,140 old. And this is why this is why the woke culture comes from 2287 02:27:37,140 --> 02:27:43,230 sports is a reason why they attack sports. Might be might be 2288 02:27:43,230 --> 02:27:46,050 thinking this show is trivial. And like, Oh, why don't you talk 2289 02:27:46,050 --> 02:27:48,150 about sports and basketball and do lacrosse? 2290 02:27:48,240 --> 02:27:53,040 No, no. And you know, I'm really just being very quiet. Because I 2291 02:27:53,040 --> 02:27:55,740 don't know a lot about sports, but I'm learning an awful lot 2292 02:27:55,740 --> 02:27:56,820 just listening to you. 2293 02:27:57,510 --> 02:28:02,070 Yeah, because it's, you have a coach, which is kind of like the 2294 02:28:02,070 --> 02:28:05,970 dad, and he tells you what to do and where to be and how to move 2295 02:28:05,970 --> 02:28:09,030 and you don't play by his rules. You can get sit on the bench, 2296 02:28:09,270 --> 02:28:11,790 and he'll bring up somebody more deserving to be on the floor. 2297 02:28:12,480 --> 02:28:17,550 Like that's what they don't want to teach young men. Right? It's 2298 02:28:17,550 --> 02:28:21,120 like they want equity, not equality. And I keep stressing 2299 02:28:21,120 --> 02:28:24,600 that point. They will equal outcomes. You know, if you don't 2300 02:28:24,600 --> 02:28:29,520 play hard, you don't deserve to win. And sports is the you know, 2301 02:28:29,580 --> 02:28:32,970 representation of that. And that's why they want to destroy 2302 02:28:32,970 --> 02:28:36,510 sports. That's why every time they try to destroy this, 2303 02:28:37,560 --> 02:28:42,840 whoever it is they they want to come out to sports and Duke the 2304 02:28:42,840 --> 02:28:46,080 Duke lacrosse case was perfect. Because it's the white rapist 2305 02:28:46,290 --> 02:28:50,550 you got sports back then. By by association you got Duke 2306 02:28:50,550 --> 02:28:53,970 basketball associated with Duke lacrosse. You know lacrosse 2307 02:28:53,970 --> 02:28:59,880 itself is it's like an elite within an elite because in high 2308 02:28:59,880 --> 02:29:04,170 school my team my school was like the only scene and 2309 02:29:04,170 --> 02:29:08,190 accounting they had a lacrosse team and you had to pay to play 2310 02:29:09,090 --> 02:29:12,420 it was a club it wasn't like most of High School Sports is 2311 02:29:12,420 --> 02:29:16,800 free no cross is the elite of the elite so they were like yes, 2312 02:29:17,130 --> 02:29:20,340 we got them we got some white boys from do and we can 2313 02:29:20,340 --> 02:29:24,270 associate everything to do go with it. And then in doing so we 2314 02:29:24,270 --> 02:29:29,940 could take down the patriarchy wow and that's why I'm saying 2315 02:29:29,940 --> 02:29:33,930 this what we're seeing now and 2021 and this funny that cow 2316 02:29:33,930 --> 02:29:37,020 Rittenhouse only thing got a dad um of course he has a dad but 2317 02:29:37,290 --> 02:29:40,620 well still broken home still was a little bit a little bit of the 2318 02:29:40,620 --> 02:29:41,430 goodness there. 2319 02:29:41,790 --> 02:29:45,720 But he was associated with the patriarchy. Yeah, because I 2320 02:29:45,750 --> 02:29:50,580 don't have a dad shown. I'm just going to show you like this is 2321 02:29:50,880 --> 02:29:51,750 this is how by 2322 02:29:52,529 --> 02:29:58,199 now it's just media programming. I mean, it's it just nothing has 2323 02:29:58,199 --> 02:30:01,619 to be true. That's the beauty of this The assumption 2324 02:30:01,650 --> 02:30:05,490 is he's a white guy. So he has a dad, you are racist. That is, 2325 02:30:05,670 --> 02:30:08,610 because the inverse you're saying is, if you're black man, 2326 02:30:08,610 --> 02:30:12,420 you don't have it. Right. Exactly. And I'm just showing 2327 02:30:12,420 --> 02:30:16,110 you this. This is I think this was a coup and you can these net 2328 02:30:16,110 --> 02:30:19,740 clips. I think this came with from within the Duke campus, 2329 02:30:19,950 --> 02:30:24,300 this push to take these these these lacrosse players down. And 2330 02:30:24,300 --> 02:30:26,820 we're going to hear so in clip number let's start with number 2331 02:30:26,820 --> 02:30:27,420 26. 2332 02:30:27,599 --> 02:30:30,419 What was remarkable is that lots of figures within the media, 2333 02:30:31,259 --> 02:30:34,349 within the Duke faculty and to a certain extent within the Duke 2334 02:30:34,349 --> 02:30:38,939 administration not only presumed the players to be guilty, but 2335 02:30:38,939 --> 02:30:43,529 then these very strong moral judgment and it was a completely 2336 02:30:43,529 --> 02:30:47,519 closed minded, early approach to the case. 2337 02:30:56,880 --> 02:30:59,880 My name is Casey Johnson. I'm a professor of history at Brooklyn 2338 02:30:59,880 --> 02:31:03,900 College and the CUNY Graduate Center. I wrote a blog on the 2339 02:31:03,900 --> 02:31:07,350 Duke lacrosse case called Durham in Wonderland and CO wrote a 2340 02:31:07,350 --> 02:31:10,860 book on the case was to retailer called until proven innocent. 2341 02:31:13,980 --> 02:31:17,400 during spring break, when most of the students at Duke were off 2342 02:31:17,400 --> 02:31:21,210 campus, the captains of the lacrosse team came up with the 2343 02:31:21,210 --> 02:31:27,240 not so bright idea of inviting to strippers to perform for the 2344 02:31:27,240 --> 02:31:30,660 players. One of them was this woman crystal Mangum who we 2345 02:31:30,660 --> 02:31:36,570 subsequently learned I had very severe mental problems she 2346 02:31:36,570 --> 02:31:40,590 arrived she had no particular interest in performing it 2347 02:31:40,590 --> 02:31:43,890 appears as if she was on some sort of combination of alcohol 2348 02:31:43,890 --> 02:31:49,650 and prescription drugs. And the party relatively quickly turned 2349 02:31:49,680 --> 02:31:53,880 ugly there was a shouting match between the other dancer and 2350 02:31:54,180 --> 02:31:56,880 members of the team by this point most of the guys had 2351 02:31:56,880 --> 02:31:57,960 already left 2352 02:31:59,010 --> 02:32:03,900 wow so this is where mental health comes into it. Yeah, this 2353 02:32:03,900 --> 02:32:06,840 victim and I haven't talked about her very much but this 2354 02:32:06,840 --> 02:32:13,860 alleged victim was upon yeah was a beast saw her a VIC 2355 02:32:14,160 --> 02:32:14,640 yeah 2356 02:32:14,670 --> 02:32:19,770 good great it's very it's very clear that she wasn't a credible 2357 02:32:19,770 --> 02:32:28,020 witness. But politics kicked in it's the same thing with the 2358 02:32:28,020 --> 02:32:31,560 written house okay, like I said these things these two things 2359 02:32:31,560 --> 02:32:34,560 are like mirror images but our thing about written our he 2360 02:32:34,560 --> 02:32:37,200 didn't have the institutional wealth but that's why I say no 2361 02:32:37,200 --> 02:32:41,010 to me and always can through boys defense fun he had a 2362 02:32:41,670 --> 02:32:43,020 fighting chance to get out of it. 2363 02:32:43,290 --> 02:32:47,640 So ultimately for the love of money is the root of all evil 2364 02:32:48,480 --> 02:32:54,000 because everything boils down to money in this in in these in 2365 02:32:54,000 --> 02:32:58,950 these cases yes jealousy that all of it all of it all of it. 2366 02:32:59,550 --> 02:33:04,200 But it's a structural problem it's a structural issue of I got 2367 02:33:04,200 --> 02:33:09,060 screwed and I'm owed and it's being played into I'm not quite 2368 02:33:09,060 --> 02:33:15,570 sure exactly why the Whelk the world culture Mm hmm it's just 2369 02:33:15,570 --> 02:33:18,150 it doesn't seem like it would ever be powerful enough to take 2370 02:33:18,150 --> 02:33:20,460 down these types of institutions. Are they just 2371 02:33:20,460 --> 02:33:24,090 trying to carpet mom with as much as possible all the time? 2372 02:33:25,050 --> 02:33:29,370 Yeah, it's a it's a continuous struggle, right it's not gonna 2373 02:33:29,370 --> 02:33:32,460 be it's not gonna be one hit that takes them down. No, but 2374 02:33:32,460 --> 02:33:36,150 this was a big hit because if you could get it just take the 2375 02:33:36,150 --> 02:33:41,490 original story 20 lacrosse players rate blacks let students 2376 02:33:41,520 --> 02:33:44,340 know the story. Well, this was also a story not strippers 2377 02:33:44,340 --> 02:33:44,730 student, 2378 02:33:44,760 --> 02:33:53,190 but this was also an exercise in media. manipulation, baby 2379 02:33:53,190 --> 02:33:57,390 propaganda. psychological operation just said that maybe 2380 02:33:57,390 --> 02:34:01,080 even more so than than anything to see how, how far we could 2381 02:34:01,080 --> 02:34:04,230 push people into believing again. Remember, I there are 2382 02:34:04,230 --> 02:34:06,240 things that I didn't even know about the case. 2383 02:34:07,830 --> 02:34:12,630 Yes, but that's it wasn't. That's because the established 2384 02:34:12,630 --> 02:34:17,850 media establishment media wasn't in on it. Like they are now. 2385 02:34:17,940 --> 02:34:23,400 Right? See, the order was different than, um, CBS won a 2386 02:34:23,400 --> 02:34:27,030 Peabody for the coverage of this case, because they were quickly 2387 02:34:27,030 --> 02:34:34,230 exposing the facts. Ah, true. This is the difference now like 2388 02:34:34,260 --> 02:34:39,000 they have completely and I think John always references on our 2389 02:34:39,000 --> 02:34:43,530 agenda show, but they've hired so woke. Yeah, that the keys 2390 02:34:43,530 --> 02:34:48,300 that we're going to school now, so just like 2006 is 2020. Now 2391 02:34:48,330 --> 02:34:51,120 those kids are graduating to down six or 14 years into their 2392 02:34:51,120 --> 02:34:56,730 career. And to me, because this is a I mean, Duke is putting out 2393 02:34:56,790 --> 02:35:01,200 a lot of high level professionals. Yeah. And they're 2394 02:35:01,200 --> 02:35:05,100 going off to be woken these companies. And now when they go 2395 02:35:05,100 --> 02:35:09,210 to the New York Times or CBS they have well allies that will 2396 02:35:09,210 --> 02:35:13,590 run with the story, which at the time, they didn't have that kind 2397 02:35:13,590 --> 02:35:17,430 of leverage in the in the main you had to go to your Nancy 2398 02:35:17,430 --> 02:35:21,480 graces of the world. Um, so she was trying to make a name for 2399 02:35:21,480 --> 02:35:24,990 herself as well. I think we stopped at what two is that one? 2400 02:35:24,990 --> 02:35:25,260 Yeah, 2401 02:35:25,350 --> 02:35:27,780 yeah. Yeah, number two is out. 2402 02:35:27,960 --> 02:35:32,850 And then the second dancer woman named Kim Roberts drove off and 2403 02:35:32,850 --> 02:35:36,270 in a normal circumstance, no one ever would have would have heard 2404 02:35:36,270 --> 02:35:41,190 of this again. But as Roberts drove off, she was she found out 2405 02:35:41,190 --> 02:35:43,980 that her fellow dancer and passed out. She called the 2406 02:35:43,980 --> 02:35:49,140 police to come and get Mangum to take her either home or to a 2407 02:35:49,680 --> 02:35:54,900 psychological institution. Mangum when she was awakened by 2408 02:35:54,900 --> 02:35:57,600 the police, she was going to be admitted to a psychological 2409 02:35:57,600 --> 02:36:02,430 institution and was prompted improperly by a nurse who asked 2410 02:36:02,430 --> 02:36:06,210 her whether she had been raped and Mangum system. Well said 2411 02:36:06,210 --> 02:36:09,390 yes, she was sent to Duke Hospital and she made an 2412 02:36:09,390 --> 02:36:15,030 allegation. We saw a kind of mob mentality that took hold of the 2413 02:36:15,030 --> 02:36:19,410 activist wing of the Duke faculty, which culminated in an 2414 02:36:19,440 --> 02:36:24,960 April 2006 statement signed by 88 Duke faculty members called 2415 02:36:24,960 --> 02:36:29,640 the group of 88, in which before any charges even had been filed, 2416 02:36:30,030 --> 02:36:34,530 these ADH faculty members took out an ad a full page ad in the 2417 02:36:34,530 --> 02:36:38,970 Duke campus newspaper. They unequivocally asserted that 2418 02:36:38,970 --> 02:36:41,970 something had happened to Crystal manga, or she was 2419 02:36:41,970 --> 02:36:45,360 claiming rape lacrosse players that said nothing happened. They 2420 02:36:45,360 --> 02:36:48,330 said that they would continue their activism regardless of 2421 02:36:48,330 --> 02:36:52,770 what the court decided or what the police said. And they 2422 02:36:52,770 --> 02:36:56,250 thanked public protesters for not waiting and making 2423 02:36:56,250 --> 02:37:00,180 themselves heard. And the highest profile public protest 2424 02:37:00,210 --> 02:37:03,540 that had occurred at that point, had been a march in front of the 2425 02:37:03,540 --> 02:37:07,380 captain's house in which protesters had carried large 2426 02:37:07,380 --> 02:37:12,390 signs are urging the castration of the lacrosse captains. So 2427 02:37:12,390 --> 02:37:19,200 this was it was a complete abandonment of any pretense of 2428 02:37:19,200 --> 02:37:22,020 objectivity have any interest in the truth? 2429 02:37:24,210 --> 02:37:25,230 Just starting to make sense 2430 02:37:25,230 --> 02:37:27,240 now. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Totally. 2431 02:37:29,100 --> 02:37:33,600 88 faculty members signed on before even any, 2432 02:37:33,780 --> 02:37:36,900 for any information was no basic right. 2433 02:37:37,410 --> 02:37:41,130 And celebrated their protesters saying you know whether right or 2434 02:37:41,130 --> 02:37:45,840 wrong, we applaud you for just that happen. What do you mean? 2435 02:37:47,520 --> 02:37:51,600 It's a coup. This was a power. This was a this was a coup. They 2436 02:37:51,600 --> 02:37:52,080 were trying to 2437 02:37:52,080 --> 02:37:55,170 but but that's uh, that's, I mean, that's a lot, man. That's 2438 02:37:55,200 --> 02:37:56,190 unbelievable. 2439 02:37:56,700 --> 02:38:01,170 Right? And this is why I'm saying one da didn't decide to 2440 02:38:01,170 --> 02:38:05,820 throw his career way. He was in for a political break. Yeah, 2441 02:38:05,820 --> 02:38:06,630 yeah. 2442 02:38:07,950 --> 02:38:09,180 Yeah. Yeah, 2443 02:38:09,210 --> 02:38:13,650 we understand the good old boy network. Trust me. When you live 2444 02:38:13,650 --> 02:38:18,000 in a town like Durham you understand you come and do. You 2445 02:38:18,000 --> 02:38:22,860 can get counsel counsel. I mean, do you see the kind of power 2446 02:38:22,860 --> 02:38:28,830 that they have? Um, but they still those 88 still said no. 2447 02:38:29,550 --> 02:38:33,570 Activist protests. They're saying process and they're out 2448 02:38:33,570 --> 02:38:39,210 in front of the frat house castrate him. It's this it's 2449 02:38:39,240 --> 02:38:42,420 like I said, this is a glimpse into where we're at now 2450 02:38:42,450 --> 02:38:45,450 that I actually remember I remember the castrate the cast 2451 02:38:45,450 --> 02:38:47,550 Wraith and things of that somehow that and that's 2452 02:38:47,550 --> 02:38:50,400 not good but that's that's representative of what 2453 02:38:50,400 --> 02:38:54,990 castrating the patriarchy Oh yeah. take take take their 2454 02:38:54,990 --> 02:38:59,310 manhood away from so and like I said, I'm not gonna play these 2455 02:38:59,310 --> 02:39:04,320 games like you know that the stigma wasn't there to do was 2456 02:39:04,320 --> 02:39:07,290 racist because as that's why I played their clips from my 2457 02:39:07,290 --> 02:39:11,640 pastor. They did look like look at not particularly these two 2458 02:39:11,640 --> 02:39:15,870 women Kundera black but these two poor women yeah that you 2459 02:39:15,870 --> 02:39:18,570 know saying like they're they're objects come over here 2460 02:39:18,570 --> 02:39:22,350 entertainments shake it up, you know do do what we tell you to 2461 02:39:22,350 --> 02:39:27,030 do. Kind of thing so there was some kind of authority here that 2462 02:39:27,030 --> 02:39:31,140 they were trying to flex in privilege to say okay, yeah, we 2463 02:39:31,140 --> 02:39:34,560 can just call it strippers, your your entertainment you do we 2464 02:39:34,560 --> 02:39:35,580 tell you to do but 2465 02:39:36,000 --> 02:39:41,460 just just just to be fair. That is kind of the relationship 2466 02:39:41,460 --> 02:39:47,220 between escort slash strippers who do house calls and the 2467 02:39:47,220 --> 02:39:52,950 customers it's nothing you know, this has a whole racial element 2468 02:39:52,950 --> 02:40:02,880 to it. That is But I'm very careful. I'm very careful 2469 02:40:02,880 --> 02:40:08,100 because I coming from Amsterdam and I also understand that 2470 02:40:08,100 --> 02:40:13,890 industry, and we have to humanize what they're doing as 2471 02:40:13,890 --> 02:40:18,090 well. It's not it's not it's not always desperation. 2472 02:40:19,050 --> 02:40:21,900 No, no, some women choose to do it because it's a lifestyle. 2473 02:40:22,710 --> 02:40:26,460 That's the point like, it makes a choice like I can. It's my 2474 02:40:26,460 --> 02:40:28,590 body, I can monetize anywhere I want to part. 2475 02:40:29,550 --> 02:40:34,800 Part of that deal is is the, you know, do do what I say take your 2476 02:40:34,800 --> 02:40:37,980 clothes off. It's it's a sick game, and when you look at it 2477 02:40:37,980 --> 02:40:41,340 kind of in that way, but I'm just saying that that's not 2478 02:40:41,340 --> 02:40:45,000 necessarily to me, it's not the best example of objectifying a 2479 02:40:45,000 --> 02:40:48,000 person that that's like a contract to objectify 2480 02:40:48,510 --> 02:40:52,470 know what I mean by objectify is that this is part of the college 2481 02:40:52,470 --> 02:40:57,600 experience to come here and do these kinds of things. But 2482 02:40:57,600 --> 02:41:01,500 yeah, I'm sorry, I forgot these are a bunch of 18 year old 2483 02:41:01,500 --> 02:41:03,480 turns. You're right. I'm sorry. I forgot about. 2484 02:41:04,260 --> 02:41:06,480 It was the point. It was the point it was it had to do 2485 02:41:06,480 --> 02:41:10,320 anything about sex. I believe it was the point of entertainment. 2486 02:41:10,320 --> 02:41:13,890 Yeah, entertainment the same way you look into basketball players 2487 02:41:13,890 --> 02:41:17,730 and run up and down the court, your entertainment. I mean, it's 2488 02:41:18,990 --> 02:41:21,390 this, it's just it's so difficult for me, because 2489 02:41:21,390 --> 02:41:25,800 growing up in the Netherlands, you know, at the impressionable 2490 02:41:25,830 --> 02:41:31,200 age is like going going from 13 prostitution, and these types of 2491 02:41:31,200 --> 02:41:35,490 things were no longer so what were considered very normal 2492 02:41:36,900 --> 02:41:40,590 parts of normal day life. So I have a very different 2493 02:41:40,890 --> 02:41:46,410 experience. In general like this, it's hard to explain. It's 2494 02:41:46,410 --> 02:41:49,530 just I have no cultural reference to any of this. 2495 02:41:50,070 --> 02:41:53,460 But it was a rite of passage to go to the strip club as well for 2496 02:41:53,460 --> 02:41:57,510 young men in Durham to go over to a club for this course. So I 2497 02:41:57,510 --> 02:42:02,580 mean, like I said, it's not the point about, um, the sex aspect 2498 02:42:02,580 --> 02:42:06,480 of it was just that the power that you know, it's the power 2499 02:42:07,200 --> 02:42:09,510 structure, not the sexual aspect of it. 2500 02:42:09,540 --> 02:42:14,880 Yes. So again, uniquely not Dutch. To that doesn't exist, 2501 02:42:14,880 --> 02:42:18,540 like, like, like Porky's. You know, the movie Porky's that was 2502 02:42:18,570 --> 02:42:22,500 yeah, that was, that was a shoe that was that was a huge hit in 2503 02:42:22,530 --> 02:42:27,150 in the Netherlands. And everyone go like, wow, they're crazy in 2504 02:42:27,150 --> 02:42:27,840 America. 2505 02:42:29,220 --> 02:42:33,660 That but that's what those young boys were going to college to 2506 02:42:33,660 --> 02:42:37,380 experience that Porky's experienced. Yes. Yeah. That's 2507 02:42:37,380 --> 02:42:40,890 the Collegian or animal, Animal House or 2508 02:42:40,920 --> 02:42:44,160 Yeah, and should I tell you this is one of the main reasons why I 2509 02:42:44,160 --> 02:42:46,950 dropped out of college because I got there. I wanted to learn 2510 02:42:46,950 --> 02:42:50,310 communications. I want to be on the radio I want to do 2511 02:42:50,310 --> 02:42:54,270 management stuff for the radio, and all those was porkies and I 2512 02:42:54,270 --> 02:42:58,590 call my mom's I gotta leave here this is not for me. So now you 2513 02:42:58,590 --> 02:42:59,220 understand my 2514 02:42:59,220 --> 02:43:03,120 graphic you know what that's why I switched colleges three times 2515 02:43:03,840 --> 02:43:04,860 for the same reason yeah 2516 02:43:04,860 --> 02:43:08,280 right i you whenever on campus I use it you live off campus 2517 02:43:08,640 --> 02:43:11,100 right yeah, it was I went to college I went to class not 2518 02:43:11,100 --> 02:43:15,870 college right. Because I felt college to be very I don't know 2519 02:43:16,290 --> 02:43:19,200 it sounds like corrupt a lot of people easily 2520 02:43:19,859 --> 02:43:24,539 it this is where the Illuminati and all this begins 2521 02:43:28,110 --> 02:43:31,650 I think we got to calm down on explaining how it all works MO 2522 02:43:32,310 --> 02:43:35,220 Not this is what this is the power this is the power 2523 02:43:35,220 --> 02:43:39,210 structure this is the year it doesn't matter what June grades 2524 02:43:39,210 --> 02:43:43,410 your main issue your roommate is it's what fret you're accepted 2525 02:43:43,410 --> 02:43:48,180 to write it this is the real power structure and this is why 2526 02:43:48,180 --> 02:43:54,300 people on the outside hate them. This is why the admissions 2527 02:43:54,300 --> 02:43:58,860 scandal got more attention in the design Maxwell case. Yes 2528 02:43:58,860 --> 02:44:03,000 attention. Yes, we want to see rich people burn that we don't 2529 02:44:03,000 --> 02:44:06,660 like if we like you. It's cool. You're saying it's rich people 2530 02:44:06,660 --> 02:44:09,360 that we don't like we want to see you burn right that's that's 2531 02:44:09,360 --> 02:44:13,500 the that's that's where Nancy Grace was coming from. Like 2532 02:44:13,500 --> 02:44:19,560 these reads rich, no preppy boys. Let him burn his equity. 2533 02:44:19,620 --> 02:44:22,950 It was like right it's a matter it's the same outcome. But you 2534 02:44:22,950 --> 02:44:26,550 know, it's equal outcome right you know, nothing innocent No, 2535 02:44:26,850 --> 02:44:29,640 enough non white people went to jail. We need some white was to 2536 02:44:29,640 --> 02:44:32,190 go to jail, even though if they're interested or not. Got 2537 02:44:32,190 --> 02:44:35,130 it. That's the that's the mentality. So I think we stopped 2538 02:44:35,130 --> 02:44:36,960 at two Let's go again, three. There 2539 02:44:36,960 --> 02:44:40,830 were three elements that that prove Mangum lied. The first and 2540 02:44:40,830 --> 02:44:44,550 by far the most important was the DNA Mangum story there was 2541 02:44:44,550 --> 02:44:48,180 that she was sexually assaulted for 30 minutes by a group of 2542 02:44:48,180 --> 02:44:54,690 people who did not use condoms. In such an assault DNA would be 2543 02:44:54,870 --> 02:44:57,060 left behind and she was immediately taken to the 2544 02:44:57,060 --> 02:45:01,350 hospital. DNA samples were taken from all 46 White lacrosse 2545 02:45:01,350 --> 02:45:04,770 players, and there were no matches to na 46. The second 2546 02:45:04,770 --> 02:45:09,510 were the were the descriptions. Mangum did describe the people 2547 02:45:09,510 --> 02:45:12,870 who attacked her. Those descriptions didn't resemble in 2548 02:45:12,870 --> 02:45:17,520 any way any of the lacrosse players. And the third were the 2549 02:45:17,550 --> 02:45:21,870 inconsistencies. Within Mangum story, manga looked at a number 2550 02:45:21,900 --> 02:45:25,770 of different photo ways. There was only one lacrosse player 2551 02:45:25,800 --> 02:45:30,480 that she positively identified as being at the party in every 2552 02:45:30,480 --> 02:45:33,900 single photo array that she looked at. The problem is that 2553 02:45:33,900 --> 02:45:37,260 that was one lacrosse player who could prove that he was never in 2554 02:45:37,260 --> 02:45:40,980 Durham, but actually wasn't in Durham County, the night of the 2555 02:45:40,980 --> 02:45:44,490 party. And that information was shared with prosecutors. So the 2556 02:45:44,490 --> 02:45:47,760 prosecutors view before they went forward, but they had a 2557 02:45:47,760 --> 02:45:51,780 wholly unreliable witness whose descriptions didn't match her 2558 02:45:51,780 --> 02:45:55,410 alleged attackers, and where there was no medical basis to 2559 02:45:55,410 --> 02:45:57,660 advance to substantiate Her charges. 2560 02:45:58,710 --> 02:46:00,420 Okay, there you go. 2561 02:46:00,599 --> 02:46:05,069 So no DNA. And the story didn't make any sense. And it's for me, 2562 02:46:05,069 --> 02:46:08,939 when the details started coming out. I'm like, hold on. First of 2563 02:46:08,939 --> 02:46:14,249 all, when I said 20 Guys, put like, that didn't make sense. 2564 02:46:14,279 --> 02:46:17,849 And when there's no physical evidence, you know, so when he 2565 02:46:17,849 --> 02:46:20,759 starts saying start coming out, you know, he just started 2566 02:46:20,759 --> 02:46:25,169 looking inside out, but on the ground, things were still tense. 2567 02:46:25,769 --> 02:46:29,579 You know, because it was the matter of, regardless if they're 2568 02:46:29,579 --> 02:46:32,879 guilty or not, they're gonna get away with the either way. Yeah. 2569 02:46:32,909 --> 02:46:34,859 So that's, that's what we're attacking. That was the 2570 02:46:34,859 --> 02:46:37,139 mountain. That was the mindset. And I think that was the mindset 2571 02:46:37,169 --> 02:46:41,159 of the group of 88. It's like, Let's get them because if it's 2572 02:46:41,159 --> 02:46:45,119 not now, they'll do it again. Yeah, they're gonna do 2573 02:46:45,119 --> 02:46:49,649 something. Which is a very date. Like I said, this is very 2574 02:46:49,649 --> 02:46:55,199 dangerous, because when we look at cases like, I'm Brian banks, 2575 02:46:55,829 --> 02:46:58,529 at the same time, around the same time, he was a high school 2576 02:46:58,529 --> 02:47:04,739 football player that got accused by a classmate or rate. Juanita 2577 02:47:04,739 --> 02:47:08,579 Gibson, another black woman, he was black. He did like five 2578 02:47:08,579 --> 02:47:12,899 years in jail. I mean, his narrative is Batman. I mean, 2579 02:47:13,049 --> 02:47:16,619 anybody can tell on our guy, I heard of a guy, right, you know, 2580 02:47:16,619 --> 02:47:19,679 athlete that, you know, got caught in their own dorm and now 2581 02:47:19,679 --> 02:47:23,849 he's doing you know, five to 10 Archer. So it's like, how did 2582 02:47:23,849 --> 02:47:28,439 they get away with it? He's you know, saying like, this is this 2583 02:47:28,439 --> 02:47:31,919 is where the frustration came from, from people that didn't 2584 02:47:31,919 --> 02:47:34,379 want it to believe their story and was being duped by the 2585 02:47:34,379 --> 02:47:38,969 media. It's like, you know, our guys never get away with this. 2586 02:47:40,199 --> 02:47:43,409 And now they're gonna end do you have to do a plan to the crowd. 2587 02:47:44,489 --> 02:47:46,739 The same way it was in the Rittenhouse case. 2588 02:47:46,800 --> 02:47:53,970 Hmm. So, all right, well, let's just continue a little bit. I 2589 02:47:53,970 --> 02:47:56,370 don't want to I don't want to stop the flow. 2590 02:47:57,000 --> 02:47:58,320 Okay, number 29. 2591 02:47:58,410 --> 02:48:03,300 I am not going to allow Durham view in the mind of the world to 2592 02:48:03,300 --> 02:48:04,710 be a bunch of 2593 02:48:04,770 --> 02:48:09,690 stocks, not lacrosse. This is this is my iPhone speaking. So I 2594 02:48:09,690 --> 02:48:12,120 just wanna This is him speaking in the beginning of the clip. So 2595 02:48:12,120 --> 02:48:12,990 I just wanna let people know that 2596 02:48:13,439 --> 02:48:18,329 I am not going to allow dermed view in the mind of the world to 2597 02:48:18,329 --> 02:48:24,839 be a bunch of lacrosse players from do raping a black bow and 2598 02:48:24,839 --> 02:48:25,199 all 2599 02:48:25,439 --> 02:48:31,949 night long as prosecutor seemed to be functioning as if his goal 2600 02:48:31,949 --> 02:48:36,299 in the case was to violate as many different ethical 2601 02:48:36,329 --> 02:48:41,429 procedures as he possibly could in one case. So you know, he 2602 02:48:41,429 --> 02:48:44,789 ordered the police to run this rigged photo lineup that 2603 02:48:44,789 --> 02:48:47,369 contained only photos of lacrosse players. So anyone 2604 02:48:47,369 --> 02:48:53,969 Mangum picked, could be charged. He conspired with the former 2605 02:48:53,969 --> 02:48:59,639 head of a DNA lab to ensure that the the lab had would not fully 2606 02:48:59,639 --> 02:49:04,379 report his DNA results results which were exonerating of the 2607 02:49:04,379 --> 02:49:09,089 players. He lied in open court to a judge for which he 2608 02:49:09,089 --> 02:49:14,219 eventually was held in criminal contempt and was sent to county 2609 02:49:14,219 --> 02:49:20,219 jail for for one day, he issued a barrage of inflammatory public 2610 02:49:20,219 --> 02:49:24,929 statements, which violated ethical rules for prosecutors. 2611 02:49:25,199 --> 02:49:29,969 So knife Long's behavior was was extraordinarily bad. 2612 02:49:31,080 --> 02:49:35,430 Wow, man, how does it's, you know, it's not coordinated but 2613 02:49:35,430 --> 02:49:39,060 still it's like something that Bond's and connects all these 2614 02:49:39,120 --> 02:49:39,930 actors. 2615 02:49:42,540 --> 02:49:46,890 Is what what do you mean? Oh, can you can you can you explain? 2616 02:49:47,490 --> 02:49:50,490 It's kind of like you know, the the meta version of that is 2617 02:49:50,730 --> 02:49:54,750 where you know the globalist world order the New World Order. 2618 02:49:54,780 --> 02:49:58,050 It's not really coordinated, but it's so mutually beneficial that 2619 02:49:58,050 --> 02:50:01,230 people kind of, you know, the farmers cuticle industry works 2620 02:50:01,230 --> 02:50:04,350 nicely along with what the banks need covered up or it's nicely 2621 02:50:04,350 --> 02:50:07,200 along with politicians who need power. You know what I mean? 2622 02:50:07,200 --> 02:50:09,750 It's not it's not like really coordinated, but it all just 2623 02:50:09,750 --> 02:50:11,220 kind of flows together. 2624 02:50:12,900 --> 02:50:18,030 It's a shared goal, shared goal. Now, there you go. It's a shared 2625 02:50:18,030 --> 02:50:23,940 goal. And the shared goal is those the liberal professors, I 2626 02:50:23,940 --> 02:50:28,050 believe, got with, you know, the DA in some kind of way in a back 2627 02:50:28,050 --> 02:50:30,120 channel. And like I said, this is speculation here. I just 2628 02:50:30,120 --> 02:50:34,050 wanna make that clear. But as as the guy said, he was break, he 2629 02:50:34,050 --> 02:50:39,090 was going through all the rest red lights, to say, you know, 2630 02:50:39,120 --> 02:50:44,100 um, yeah, we're gonna rig the DNA, we're gonna rig the line 2631 02:50:44,100 --> 02:50:48,750 up. Yeah, we're gonna do all of this. And this is just for some 2632 02:50:48,750 --> 02:50:52,770 clarity. People were saying this was due to him having a hotly 2633 02:50:52,770 --> 02:50:56,190 contested primary that was coming up in a couple of months. 2634 02:50:56,640 --> 02:51:02,310 And he was playing to the black crowd to say, Oh, we're gonna 2635 02:51:02,310 --> 02:51:04,620 get some do white boys. I'm saying vote for me. 2636 02:51:05,160 --> 02:51:08,400 Hey, was, was Soros funding this Nifong? At the time? 2637 02:51:09,060 --> 02:51:17,040 No, I don't think he has had somewhere and do I'm sure. Um, 2638 02:51:17,190 --> 02:51:21,360 of it, because with the grants and that kind of thing, I mean, 2639 02:51:21,690 --> 02:51:26,670 I'm sure he probably has, he has I'm not him himself. But that 2640 02:51:26,700 --> 02:51:31,290 ilk that that collective of these won't professors. And like 2641 02:51:31,290 --> 02:51:34,290 I said, this was the first glimpse this glimpse of it, for 2642 02:51:34,290 --> 02:51:37,440 them to go against their university that cuts their 2643 02:51:37,440 --> 02:51:41,370 checks, to say, No, we're gonna take out full page ads and take 2644 02:51:41,370 --> 02:51:44,400 down these guys, right? And the universe, like What the hell's 2645 02:51:44,400 --> 02:51:47,820 going on, don't even realize like, You got to open a hole can 2646 02:51:47,820 --> 02:51:51,660 erase worms over here. And we got all this free labor pushes 2647 02:51:51,660 --> 02:51:54,390 out number one source of entertainment for the campus. 2648 02:51:54,960 --> 02:51:59,250 You can't do that. Right? And it's even a bigger picture for 2649 02:51:59,250 --> 02:52:05,790 the NCAA. I guess. You We can't forget that. I'm an amateur 2650 02:52:05,790 --> 02:52:09,900 athletics is just like almost slavery. You heard Jalen Rose 2651 02:52:09,900 --> 02:52:14,280 say once he's done, he goes back home. Exactly. Back to the host. 2652 02:52:14,280 --> 02:52:17,430 Oh, you make millions and millions and billions of dollars 2653 02:52:17,430 --> 02:52:21,030 off for me. And I can't make any recovery, your rules, 2654 02:52:21,570 --> 02:52:25,830 whatever came of that from a couple about a year or so ago, 2655 02:52:25,830 --> 02:52:33,300 maybe a little bit longer. to uh, to allow college athletes to 2656 02:52:33,300 --> 02:52:33,990 be paid? 2657 02:52:34,380 --> 02:52:39,030 Yeah, they can they can be paid now. Now, it's, it's still some 2658 02:52:39,030 --> 02:52:40,020 great. I mean, it 2659 02:52:41,009 --> 02:52:43,319 was not like they weren't getting, you know, cars and 2660 02:52:43,319 --> 02:52:47,759 apartments and stuff like that. But yeah, yeah. But 2661 02:52:47,760 --> 02:52:51,540 if they got caught, the player would get in trouble. Right? 2662 02:52:52,050 --> 02:52:54,570 What? Isn't that funny, 2663 02:52:54,780 --> 02:52:58,050 the coach can just quit and go to another job and get another 2664 02:52:58,050 --> 02:53:02,550 job. And in the penalties will stay with the school and the 2665 02:53:02,550 --> 02:53:07,020 player will get penalized, but not the coach. It was a perfect 2666 02:53:07,020 --> 02:53:09,870 system. And that this is a system that people were trying 2667 02:53:09,870 --> 02:53:13,230 to highlight, which is a real I mean, it's it's a real racket 2668 02:53:14,220 --> 02:53:19,350 there. But at the same time they're doing it for dubious 2669 02:53:19,350 --> 02:53:22,290 reasons, because they know if I take down sports that takes down 2670 02:53:22,980 --> 02:53:27,210 a lot, a lot. masculinity. They mean the same thing with the 2671 02:53:27,210 --> 02:53:31,140 trans trans athletes and not the point of view trying to 2672 02:53:31,140 --> 02:53:35,460 celebrate trans people in their athletics. He just like will 2673 02:53:35,460 --> 02:53:36,180 destroy the train. 2674 02:53:36,180 --> 02:53:39,990 We're trying to ruin sports across the board. Because sports 2675 02:53:40,140 --> 02:53:41,490 is not equitable. 2676 02:53:42,270 --> 02:53:44,790 Right? It's all about you know, it's a meritocracy. 2677 02:53:44,850 --> 02:53:48,060 Well, someone wins, someone wins in sports, that's not cool. 2678 02:53:48,480 --> 02:53:51,360 And at the same time, this is when you start seeing sports, 2679 02:53:51,360 --> 02:53:54,720 not give trophies. This was the no trophy area, 2680 02:53:55,350 --> 02:53:57,540 or everybody gets a trophy, right. 2681 02:53:59,700 --> 02:54:02,190 So let's go ahead and get to the last clip number 30. 2682 02:54:02,550 --> 02:54:05,280 It was I think, unprecedented the sort of behavior that we saw 2683 02:54:05,280 --> 02:54:09,120 from the Duke faculty. And we, you know, I can't think of 2684 02:54:09,120 --> 02:54:13,650 another instance, in modern higher education, in which 2685 02:54:13,830 --> 02:54:18,240 faculty members essentially chose to exploit their students 2686 02:54:18,240 --> 02:54:22,140 distress, to advance the campus pedagogical agenda, to push 2687 02:54:22,140 --> 02:54:26,850 their own ideological vision, and to abandon any pretense of 2688 02:54:26,850 --> 02:54:31,320 supporting fairness, due process, the dispassionate 2689 02:54:31,320 --> 02:54:36,000 evaluation of evidence, so there were multiple villains in this 2690 02:54:36,000 --> 02:54:39,330 case, the worst of them was knife wrong in terms of the 2691 02:54:39,360 --> 02:54:44,040 degree of the misconduct. But if we want to look at unprecedented 2692 02:54:44,040 --> 02:54:47,340 conduct, I think the focus would be on on the Duke faculty. 2693 02:54:53,100 --> 02:54:56,700 The Times coverage which was both relentless and one sided 2694 02:54:56,700 --> 02:55:00,750 there were more than 100 articles or opinion columns in 2695 02:55:00,750 --> 02:55:04,050 the Times about the lacrosse case, set the stage for the 2696 02:55:04,050 --> 02:55:07,290 national media that look, these guys must be guilty because it's 2697 02:55:07,290 --> 02:55:10,140 the New York Times which is saying it. And half the times is 2698 02:55:10,140 --> 02:55:12,240 saying it must be true. 2699 02:55:12,330 --> 02:55:14,100 I don't think they want to lie detector test because they're 2700 02:55:14,100 --> 02:55:17,610 afraid they won't pass a lie detector test 2701 02:55:17,640 --> 02:55:20,310 them I may be the last person willing to take the heat because 2702 02:55:20,310 --> 02:55:23,190 the victim is certainly taking a beating as Mike and I find it's 2703 02:55:23,190 --> 02:55:25,320 really unconscionably unfair. 2704 02:55:25,710 --> 02:55:29,490 This was a case that served different agendas of different 2705 02:55:29,520 --> 02:55:32,790 groups for knife on he wanted guilt because it would help his 2706 02:55:32,790 --> 02:55:37,980 cause in the primary for the Duke faculty members, portraying 2707 02:55:37,980 --> 02:55:42,570 their own students as racist, advanced and on campus agenda of 2708 02:55:42,570 --> 02:55:45,510 making more hires dealing with topics of race, class and 2709 02:55:45,510 --> 02:55:49,590 gender, and requiring more courses in race, class and 2710 02:55:49,590 --> 02:55:52,800 gender. And for the New York Times, this was a case that fit 2711 02:55:52,800 --> 02:55:57,120 very much the basic assumptions of a typical Times journalist 2712 02:55:57,150 --> 02:56:01,320 that white male athletes were out of control of both sexual 2713 02:56:01,320 --> 02:56:07,290 and racial connotations. And that advancing this would sort 2714 02:56:07,290 --> 02:56:11,940 of advance a broader ideological agenda of the times. And so this 2715 02:56:11,940 --> 02:56:14,910 was it was almost a perfect storm of a case in which a 2716 02:56:14,910 --> 02:56:18,810 variety of different groups could exploit the case for their 2717 02:56:18,810 --> 02:56:20,520 own purposes. 2718 02:56:21,930 --> 02:56:28,980 It's a really, really good historical compendium of our how 2719 02:56:28,980 --> 02:56:31,830 we got to where we are today, and I'm sure there's other stops 2720 02:56:31,830 --> 02:56:35,460 along the way, but man is this is this a big part of and this 2721 02:56:35,460 --> 02:56:39,870 is 2006. So long ago, 2722 02:56:40,800 --> 02:56:43,740 this goes to show you that the apparatus was ready. Oh, no, 2723 02:56:43,740 --> 02:56:47,220 this and this is long game, man. This is real long game. 2724 02:56:47,609 --> 02:56:52,559 Yeah. And that's the whole point of it is they lay and wait for 2725 02:56:52,559 --> 02:56:57,209 the perfect opportunity to rear their heads up for their 2726 02:56:57,209 --> 02:57:00,359 personal game, and that that spaciousness, just remember this 2727 02:57:00,359 --> 02:57:03,749 the reason why I want to keep bringing this up at the expense 2728 02:57:03,779 --> 02:57:08,969 of a men and mentally ill black woman. Yeah. Like they don't 2729 02:57:08,969 --> 02:57:14,489 care who they use. It doesn't it doesn't care, you know, um, they 2730 02:57:14,489 --> 02:57:18,299 just threw out there. They knew her story didn't hold water. 2731 02:57:18,479 --> 02:57:21,119 They didn't seem to give her help. They said, Okay, we can 2732 02:57:21,119 --> 02:57:24,899 use her for our own gain. And this goes to show you what the 2733 02:57:24,899 --> 02:57:30,659 door this is the clear cut case of hold the door. Yeah, hold the 2734 02:57:30,659 --> 02:57:33,419 door and let us come right on. And they were going to push all 2735 02:57:33,419 --> 02:57:38,219 their feminist and different agendas on the back of this 2736 02:57:38,219 --> 02:57:42,929 black woman, which that goes to show you and the weird thing is 2737 02:57:43,289 --> 02:57:48,029 the weird paradigm is the liberal students used her as the 2738 02:57:48,029 --> 02:57:48,509 object. 2739 02:57:48,960 --> 02:57:54,210 Oh, yeah, of course. Of course. That's that's that is the crazy 2740 02:57:54,210 --> 02:57:56,580 part of all and what's going on now too. 2741 02:57:58,320 --> 02:58:06,330 Right. They didn't care about Jojo. Joe, Joe, who can we just 2742 02:58:06,330 --> 02:58:10,620 use to up spit out in and keep moving so well, 2743 02:58:10,620 --> 02:58:15,690 maybe, maybe one day people will get hip to this? Well, we 2744 02:58:15,690 --> 02:58:18,690 had to look backwards to see for like now if we just looked at 2745 02:58:18,690 --> 02:58:22,440 this case. Before the Rittenhouse case, then we knew 2746 02:58:22,440 --> 02:58:24,090 what kind of what was going on. 2747 02:58:25,650 --> 02:58:30,150 Totally. This is real. I love I'd love it when you do this to 2748 02:58:30,150 --> 02:58:33,000 me mo I love this. And you know what else I love? I like brand 2749 02:58:33,000 --> 02:58:33,420 new money. I 2750 02:58:33,420 --> 02:58:37,080 just I don't want any money around me. It's not. I don't 2751 02:58:37,080 --> 02:58:41,760 want to have a new one than a brand than an old 20 That's kind 2752 02:58:41,760 --> 02:58:44,370 of dumb and but there's something new money that excites 2753 02:58:45,060 --> 02:58:50,550 you like $100 bills. I owe money to the most beautiful thing on 2754 02:58:50,550 --> 02:58:53,190 earth is $100. Bill. I haven't seen a woman is good looking as 2755 02:58:53,190 --> 02:58:53,640 $100. 2756 02:58:55,590 --> 02:59:02,550 Bill. Yeah. Now we can't give you any financial advice. But 2757 02:59:02,580 --> 02:59:05,340 what we're doing is we're stacking SATs. So that's the new 2758 02:59:05,340 --> 02:59:08,460 money of the day. That's the long term that's for the build 2759 02:59:08,460 --> 02:59:11,910 up of the empire in the meantime, and you can do that 2760 02:59:11,910 --> 02:59:15,600 with some of the new podcast apps we talked about. We 2761 02:59:15,630 --> 02:59:20,340 definitely need the the full on support through PayPal and Cash 2762 02:59:20,340 --> 02:59:22,680 App and we do have a number of producers still to thank this 2763 02:59:22,680 --> 02:59:28,410 was a lot of people donated for this show mine and this warms my 2764 02:59:28,410 --> 02:59:30,120 heart man I love this 2765 02:59:30,150 --> 02:59:32,010 it really be. 2766 02:59:32,970 --> 02:59:36,240 So we're going to thank the rest of the of the supporters the 2767 02:59:36,240 --> 02:59:39,390 producers who helped out with the the treasurer of the three 2768 02:59:39,390 --> 02:59:43,320 T's Chris auster, who's says just listen to number 40 was 2769 02:59:43,320 --> 02:59:47,460 told that the bomb was a populist that Dorothy's slippers 2770 02:59:47,460 --> 02:59:51,540 were silver and represented the people's money. Yes, and put in 2771 02:59:51,540 --> 02:59:55,350 a link here to the Wizard of Oz money which I've put in the show 2772 02:59:55,350 --> 02:59:59,640 notes y'all can take a look at that. Thanks, Chris $40 from spy 2773 02:59:59,640 --> 03:00:04,650 V always supporting your knowledge is priceless. Miguel 2774 03:00:04,650 --> 03:00:12,240 SB now a couple of donations totaling $35. And I guess you 2775 03:00:12,240 --> 03:00:16,290 see this question. Yeah, you got him on Instagram there. Okay. 2776 03:00:16,320 --> 03:00:20,190 Yeah, Benjamin Bateman. 3333 keep doing the work. Thank you 2777 03:00:20,190 --> 03:00:25,470 for the infotainment standing by fish Killa Ben Bateman, toboggan 2778 03:00:25,470 --> 03:00:30,510 wires $30 total over two donations we live want to give 2779 03:00:30,510 --> 03:00:37,320 our value before I get Hi lol hey you know that's See I told 2780 03:00:37,320 --> 03:00:40,290 you mo that's exactly what people enjoy the show. They 2781 03:00:40,290 --> 03:00:45,150 don't mind roll it out slow, boring and with someone. Oh no. 2782 03:00:45,420 --> 03:00:50,340 Wisdom is always the way to go. Oh yeah. Bowen Masterson big fan 2783 03:00:50,340 --> 03:00:52,800 of Mo facts Ray podcast. Thanks for all the work you put into 2784 03:00:52,800 --> 03:00:56,040 bringing all of us a fresh perspective please. D deadbeat 2785 03:00:56,040 --> 03:00:58,890 knee bone acid arson, you got it. 2786 03:01:00,720 --> 03:01:06,000 Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat. 2787 03:01:06,210 --> 03:01:09,060 Since this is just phenomenal support. We're gonna we're gonna 2788 03:01:09,060 --> 03:01:12,690 read everybody's name and of course, moving forward if we if 2789 03:01:12,690 --> 03:01:16,590 we get these longer, longer donation segments we'll probably 2790 03:01:16,590 --> 03:01:19,080 have to have a cut off at some point but for right now I'm just 2791 03:01:19,080 --> 03:01:23,580 loving seeing all this Michael Myers $25. earners Ben Wah, 2792 03:01:23,790 --> 03:01:27,600 sending you two x's in memory of Malcolm for all the extra value 2793 03:01:27,600 --> 03:01:30,150 and Adam are providing with a regular schedule. Thank you for 2794 03:01:30,150 --> 03:01:33,840 your courage. Thank you, sir Ernesto. Yes, we worked hard on 2795 03:01:33,840 --> 03:01:39,480 shaping that up. Gleb Radetzky. A screw Adam go deeper and 2796 03:01:39,480 --> 03:01:46,140 longer. Mo $20. Thank you all. Right, it'd 2797 03:01:46,140 --> 03:01:49,200 be great a whole different way. I 2798 03:01:49,260 --> 03:01:51,600 know I understand. Screw Adam. Go. 2799 03:01:53,550 --> 03:01:55,530 I use a comma. i 2800 03:01:55,859 --> 03:01:58,409 There's no commas. Hey, you put the spreadsheet together. I'm 2801 03:01:58,409 --> 03:02:01,619 just reading this right. I'm writing this straight up, man. 2802 03:02:02,070 --> 03:02:06,090 I'm glad we need some commas in there. That could be taking a 2803 03:02:06,090 --> 03:02:06,900 whole different way. 2804 03:02:06,929 --> 03:02:11,759 I think we all got it. Jay more 20 bucks. We smoked listening 2805 03:02:11,759 --> 03:02:17,069 and wanted to show our value. Okay, Jay, have you met? Was it 2806 03:02:17,069 --> 03:02:17,429 there? 2807 03:02:19,020 --> 03:02:19,950 Debatte. When 2808 03:02:21,120 --> 03:02:24,900 was he now? Yeah, to Bach Noir. Yeah, maybe? Maybe you guys 2809 03:02:24,900 --> 03:02:28,650 should check each other out. Judy Schwartz thank you for the 2810 03:02:28,650 --> 03:02:30,780 live shows on Wednesdays. I enjoyed that every other 2811 03:02:30,780 --> 03:02:33,240 Wednesday. I enjoy reading the chats and hearing all your 2812 03:02:33,240 --> 03:02:34,650 viewpoints and and 2813 03:02:34,650 --> 03:02:37,590 that's that's Judy St. Tiger Auntie called out. So. 2814 03:02:38,160 --> 03:02:41,940 Ah gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. And in the evening with 2815 03:02:41,940 --> 03:02:46,620 blessings to your family. Taylor Stagg. $20. Thank you, Eric 2816 03:02:46,620 --> 03:02:49,770 Runkle. Hey, Mo and Adam. Sorry, my last note was read aloud. 2817 03:02:49,770 --> 03:02:52,260 doxing mode. All right. I don't think I don't think that was a 2818 03:02:52,260 --> 03:02:55,620 big problem. I thought I was below the threshold. Yeah, no, 2819 03:02:55,650 --> 03:02:58,620 you're not. That's That's how we roll. There is no threshold. 2820 03:02:59,820 --> 03:03:03,030 Yeah, we can't afford a threshold at the moment. But 2821 03:03:03,030 --> 03:03:06,690 here's December's contribution plus next because I caught up 2822 03:03:06,690 --> 03:03:10,380 and it's worth incalculably more, but here's what I can 2823 03:03:10,380 --> 03:03:13,800 tweak monetary value wise and that's exactly the point. That's 2824 03:03:13,800 --> 03:03:17,850 what value is it's it's you're given the value that you can and 2825 03:03:17,850 --> 03:03:22,620 that's the perfect pricing mechanism, no argument. David 2826 03:03:22,620 --> 03:03:25,830 Chaloner all the best mon Adam Have a great Thanksgiving now a 2827 03:03:25,860 --> 03:03:31,020 total of three donations $15. He says Keep it up. No wish it was 2828 03:03:31,020 --> 03:03:36,690 more and it will be soon. And what does this go mow it kind of 2829 03:03:36,690 --> 03:03:42,720 French spelling? Mark asher $11.20 Happy Birthday Mo. Ned el 2830 03:03:42,720 --> 03:03:47,220 eres the third 1038 Peace and abundance of blessings. Chris 2831 03:03:47,220 --> 03:03:50,250 Bergstrom. Again Sir Chris, Vox. Checking in mo love the last 2832 03:03:50,250 --> 03:03:53,730 tape. Keep up the great work. Thank you for your courage. Chef 2833 03:03:53,730 --> 03:03:58,830 Elvis Rosenberg $10 for the December 1 live show. Then $10 2834 03:03:58,830 --> 03:04:03,330 from hearken writer James Holly Jeremy Cavanaugh, Joseph Barnes. 2835 03:04:04,290 --> 03:04:08,460 Chris Christopher Smith. Thank you for the black man's 2836 03:04:08,460 --> 03:04:10,650 perspective. Christopher says I'm seeing things through a 2837 03:04:10,650 --> 03:04:16,650 different lens. Chris, from St. Versus St. Mary's 2838 03:04:17,760 --> 03:04:24,480 geo ID. Is item could be I don't know. Could be I don't know Id 2839 03:04:24,510 --> 03:04:29,490 i Yes. Yes, I believe so. Yeah. $10 from William Hawthorne. 2840 03:04:29,490 --> 03:04:34,380 Thank you Yarborough with 10 Total David Ackerman. He says 2841 03:04:34,380 --> 03:04:38,850 I've been trying to send SATs via the fold app. David, you 2842 03:04:38,850 --> 03:04:44,700 need to get an app from new podcast apps.com. The fold app 2843 03:04:44,760 --> 03:04:48,390 is not something that we can that we can use right now. And 2844 03:04:48,390 --> 03:04:50,970 it should be old any app you get there was value for valuable 2845 03:04:50,970 --> 03:04:55,890 explain how to do it. Anthony Collins $5.13 Christian 2846 03:04:55,890 --> 03:04:59,490 Gallegos, with $5 Still trying to figure out how to give 2847 03:04:59,490 --> 03:05:02,490 monthly Well you can set it up yourself but yes, we need to do 2848 03:05:02,490 --> 03:05:05,790 that too small thank you for the incredible information keep it 2849 03:05:05,790 --> 03:05:10,260 up I hope all goes well. Thank you bus you kind $5 Melvin 2850 03:05:10,260 --> 03:05:15,780 Welker with $5 Monique Eckert was $5 Moises and UNECE who says 2851 03:05:15,780 --> 03:05:21,180 Merry Christmas y'all $4.20 and rounding it out tear the human 2852 03:05:21,180 --> 03:05:25,140 subscription Keller with his $4.11 No note, but we know, he's 2853 03:05:25,140 --> 03:05:27,840 reminding us that we need to have all kinds of subscriptions 2854 03:05:28,500 --> 03:05:34,440 for pay PayPal and etc. Wow, great list. Thank you to these 2855 03:05:34,440 --> 03:05:37,440 producers. And of course, again to our executive and Associate 2856 03:05:37,440 --> 03:05:41,910 Executive producers for episode number 72. The support is 2857 03:05:41,910 --> 03:05:46,110 appreciated. Let's continue this, go to mo facts.com. Or 2858 03:05:46,110 --> 03:05:50,610 directly to the donation page at mo fund me.com. and support us 2859 03:05:50,610 --> 03:05:54,120 for the next episode. And let's keep that in the lives going we 2860 03:05:54,120 --> 03:05:58,020 keep to you. We continue to build the MO facts entertainment 2861 03:05:58,020 --> 03:06:02,430 enterprises empire. Thank you all again for supporting us here 2862 03:06:02,430 --> 03:06:03,810 for episode number 72. 2863 03:06:05,670 --> 03:06:09,540 I'm not crying for the Duke lacrosse players. Because 2864 03:06:10,050 --> 03:06:14,010 whenever you come for the power structure, be prepared for the 2865 03:06:14,010 --> 03:06:18,480 backlash. And there was definitely a backlash. As I said 2866 03:06:18,480 --> 03:06:24,930 before CBS won a Peabody for 60 minutes coverage of the Duke 2867 03:06:24,930 --> 03:06:30,600 lacrosse case and they were all on a story debunking to protect 2868 03:06:30,630 --> 03:06:33,840 the you know, the Duke University and the prestige that 2869 03:06:33,840 --> 03:06:37,470 comes along with it. So this example that let's get into 2870 03:06:37,500 --> 03:06:38,430 number 32. 2871 03:06:38,940 --> 03:06:41,760 More than six months ago, Duke University in the city of 2872 03:06:41,760 --> 03:06:45,480 Durham, North Carolina were rocked by charges that Duke 2873 03:06:45,480 --> 03:06:49,710 lacrosse players raped an exotic dancer at a team party. 60 2874 03:06:49,710 --> 03:06:53,070 minutes correspondent Ed Bradley got exclusive interviews with 2875 03:06:53,070 --> 03:06:56,640 the three players charged in a case, including former co 2876 03:06:56,640 --> 03:06:58,140 Captain Dave Evans, 2877 03:06:59,070 --> 03:07:05,520 do you ever think that if this does go to trial, that if you're 2878 03:07:05,520 --> 03:07:09,150 convicted, you could face a lot of time in prison? Do you ever 2879 03:07:09,240 --> 03:07:12,000 think about that? Would you? Sure? 2880 03:07:12,599 --> 03:07:14,609 30 years, I could go to jail for something that 2881 03:07:14,609 --> 03:07:15,389 never happened. 2882 03:07:15,840 --> 03:07:16,680 based on a lie. 2883 03:07:17,189 --> 03:07:19,709 And Bradley's here with us this morning. Good morning. And good 2884 03:07:19,709 --> 03:07:22,349 morning. He spoke to all three of these young men. Are they 2885 03:07:22,349 --> 03:07:24,209 scared? They've all said they're innocent. 2886 03:07:24,990 --> 03:07:28,830 I think that they do have some fear. As Dave says he's looking 2887 03:07:28,830 --> 03:07:32,460 at 30 years in prison for something he says he didn't do. 2888 03:07:33,090 --> 03:07:35,640 Based on the evidence they feel they shouldn't be in this 2889 03:07:35,640 --> 03:07:38,550 position. So they feel confident that they're innocent. 2890 03:07:39,090 --> 03:07:41,820 You've also spoken with the other dancer who was there that 2891 03:07:41,820 --> 03:07:44,880 night along with the accuser, a young lady named Kim Roberts. 2892 03:07:44,910 --> 03:07:45,870 Let's take a look at that. 2893 03:07:46,710 --> 03:07:49,980 In the police statement. She describes the rape in this way. 2894 03:07:50,340 --> 03:07:54,390 Three guys grabbed Nikki at you, Brett Adam and Matt grabbed me. 2895 03:07:54,990 --> 03:07:58,260 They separated us at the master bedroom door while we tried to 2896 03:07:58,260 --> 03:08:03,360 hold on to each other. But Adam and Matt took me in to the 2897 03:08:03,360 --> 03:08:07,200 bathroom. What are you holding on to each other? Were you 2898 03:08:07,200 --> 03:08:12,390 pulled apart? Is that true? No. Did she give you any reason to 2899 03:08:12,390 --> 03:08:17,670 believe that she had been assaulted in any way? No, none 2900 03:08:17,670 --> 03:08:18,180 whatsoever 2901 03:08:21,420 --> 03:08:27,570 so here so this mess where I was making the point about a cow 2902 03:08:27,570 --> 03:08:32,880 Rittenhouse. If he went to Duke, he got the same kind of 2903 03:08:32,880 --> 03:08:39,660 treatment. Yeah, is different levels of whiteness. Don't have 2904 03:08:39,660 --> 03:08:41,730 to explain that to you. But yeah, no, I hear 2905 03:08:41,730 --> 03:08:47,520 you. Did you see Kyle going to attend classes at Arizona State? 2906 03:08:47,850 --> 03:08:50,520 No. But I seen him bouncing around all the podcast 2907 03:08:50,640 --> 03:08:51,750 interview. Oh, no. 2908 03:08:52,020 --> 03:08:55,740 They had huge protests. He's not welcome at the school. He's 2909 03:08:55,740 --> 03:08:56,130 done. 2910 03:08:57,870 --> 03:09:01,710 Yeah, somebody has taken me in don't worry about some universal 2911 03:09:01,710 --> 03:09:06,150 love to have their name associated with him. But that's 2912 03:09:06,150 --> 03:09:09,930 the thing that this is what happens when you come up against 2913 03:09:09,930 --> 03:09:15,540 the power structure. A, this is the power structure. And I want 2914 03:09:15,690 --> 03:09:19,470 in the reason why I'm pointing this out is this is matched by 2915 03:09:19,470 --> 03:09:25,170 family. Right? And the power comes from family. When you 2916 03:09:25,170 --> 03:09:28,290 don't have any family people can treat you any kind of way. And 2917 03:09:28,290 --> 03:09:31,710 it kind of felt that way about Kyle right. Is that Oh, who is 2918 03:09:31,710 --> 03:09:34,920 he? He's not linked to anybody right? You know, we could drag 2919 03:09:34,920 --> 03:09:38,070 this kid through the mud. Now, if it had been like I said what 2920 03:09:38,100 --> 03:09:42,360 like he became from this kind of a background that the Duke 2921 03:09:42,360 --> 03:09:45,330 players came from the establishment media would have 2922 03:09:45,330 --> 03:09:50,970 had more respect for him. And and no carried a different way. 2923 03:09:51,540 --> 03:09:56,040 But he was looked at as an object the same way the stripper 2924 03:09:56,040 --> 03:10:00,660 was the same way the maybes are and this is The two level 2925 03:10:00,660 --> 03:10:04,230 society that we live in. Now a lot of people are looked at as 2926 03:10:04,260 --> 03:10:12,420 objects. And when people that don't exist in that circle that, 2927 03:10:12,480 --> 03:10:16,470 you know, there are somebody and I hate that word or somebody, 2928 03:10:16,470 --> 03:10:21,750 but when they get a taste of it, they come out with their guns a 2929 03:10:21,750 --> 03:10:26,610 blazing the push back against it, um, and we're gonna see that 2930 03:10:26,610 --> 03:10:32,610 with Finnerty family, a, just listen to how proud she is of 2931 03:10:32,610 --> 03:10:33,270 her son. 2932 03:10:34,019 --> 03:10:37,799 Hi, I'm Katie Couric Welcome to Ida I Wednesday marked the end 2933 03:10:37,799 --> 03:10:40,559 of a long nightmare for the families of the three former 2934 03:10:40,559 --> 03:10:44,459 Duke lacrosse players falsely accused of rape. Harry Smith 2935 03:10:44,459 --> 03:10:48,209 spoke with the parents of Colin Finnerty about their confidence 2936 03:10:48,209 --> 03:10:51,629 and their son's innocence, and the impact of the ordeal on 2937 03:10:51,629 --> 03:10:52,439 their family. 2938 03:10:53,970 --> 03:10:58,380 And those three boys took the microphone at that press 2939 03:10:58,380 --> 03:11:04,170 conference, and express themselves so eloquently in your 2940 03:11:04,170 --> 03:11:07,860 son. At the press conference talking about I can't think of 2941 03:11:07,860 --> 03:11:11,880 anything in my life that could have brought me closer. These 2942 03:11:11,880 --> 03:11:14,730 kinds of things, tear people apart, he says he brought my 2943 03:11:14,730 --> 03:11:16,200 family closer together. 2944 03:11:16,710 --> 03:11:19,770 He's right, though. I mean, we had a wonderful family before, 2945 03:11:19,770 --> 03:11:27,120 but I can't say this year has brought us closer together to 2946 03:11:27,120 --> 03:11:30,570 see the siblings stand by him the way they did. And his older 2947 03:11:30,570 --> 03:11:34,410 brothers were there for him every weekend. His younger 2948 03:11:34,410 --> 03:11:39,120 sisters were just an incredible amount of support. And as a 2949 03:11:39,120 --> 03:11:42,870 parent as parents to see that that's like all your dreams come 2950 03:11:42,870 --> 03:11:47,280 true. I mean, that's what family is about. And I'm so proud of 2951 03:11:47,280 --> 03:11:49,680 how they got through this year. 2952 03:11:52,680 --> 03:11:56,820 That's why they hate it hate families, cuz you can't counsel 2953 03:11:56,820 --> 03:11:57,900 somebody with a family. 2954 03:12:00,030 --> 03:12:02,160 Gosh, man, who are they Mo 2955 03:12:03,540 --> 03:12:10,620 is the you will say the academic elite that leans more to the 2956 03:12:10,620 --> 03:12:12,150 communist side. You know, I 2957 03:12:12,150 --> 03:12:15,750 was thinking I was thinking about this, talking about power 2958 03:12:15,750 --> 03:12:18,120 and structure, you know, so right now they're, you know, 2959 03:12:18,120 --> 03:12:22,200 Congress is arguing about what more free shit to give away more 2960 03:12:22,200 --> 03:12:27,840 money. Which is, there's multiple reasons for it. But 2961 03:12:27,930 --> 03:12:32,790 back on the table is the idea of forgiving student debt, or up to 2962 03:12:32,790 --> 03:12:38,340 $50,000 of student debt. And what's interesting is, in 2006, 2963 03:12:38,340 --> 03:12:43,140 right around this time, is when student loans started to 2964 03:12:43,140 --> 03:12:46,650 skyrocket backed by the federal government that, of course, is 2965 03:12:46,650 --> 03:12:49,350 biolegend, because of legislation, which basically is, 2966 03:12:49,500 --> 03:12:54,270 hey, you know, don't worry about it. We got you covered, y'all 2967 03:12:54,270 --> 03:12:57,330 can borrow from us. And we guarantee that that'll get, you 2968 03:12:57,330 --> 03:13:00,750 know, to the universities, and we'll guarantee that we get it 2969 03:13:00,750 --> 03:13:02,790 back. Because, you know, we're the government and we got the 2970 03:13:02,790 --> 03:13:05,580 army and everything and you know, you can't go bankrupt, you 2971 03:13:05,580 --> 03:13:10,560 can't get rid of that of that debt. And that debt now is $1.73 2972 03:13:10,560 --> 03:13:16,890 trillion. And that's just the student loans. So that money has 2973 03:13:16,890 --> 03:13:20,940 gone into the education system since 2006. One, almost two, 2974 03:13:21,210 --> 03:13:29,940 probably, you know, over 2 trillion trillion dollars. Holy 2975 03:13:30,750 --> 03:13:31,800 crap balls, 2976 03:13:32,010 --> 03:13:36,420 which makes Duke and schools like do even more incredibly 2977 03:13:36,420 --> 03:13:41,550 powerful, well, powerful, rich, rich is even more important, 2978 03:13:41,550 --> 03:13:44,820 because now you can get a college degree from anywhere. 2979 03:13:45,990 --> 03:13:51,900 The Duke brand holds or the Yale brand or the Harvard brand. They 2980 03:13:51,900 --> 03:13:56,010 their real degrees. And I made that statement before of my 2981 03:13:56,010 --> 03:14:00,150 pastor being from Duke. It wasn't this, like fly by night 2982 03:14:00,150 --> 03:14:04,800 school that you can get a PhD. Right? So these are it only 2983 03:14:04,800 --> 03:14:08,880 increases their power. Because this is why the missions is so 2984 03:14:08,880 --> 03:14:13,380 hard now to the getting to these schools because you can go get a 2985 03:14:13,380 --> 03:14:17,310 college degree from anywhere and really, it really diluted 2986 03:14:18,390 --> 03:14:19,230 colleges 2987 03:14:19,800 --> 03:14:22,410 are the are the actual stuff you learn? 2988 03:14:23,160 --> 03:14:25,350 Well, not the prestige of 2989 03:14:26,850 --> 03:14:30,450 what No, no, I'm just saying that. I was looked at a study 2990 03:14:30,450 --> 03:14:34,200 recently that show that people who do online courses in 2991 03:14:34,200 --> 03:14:37,590 colleges test better and do better on test scores than 2992 03:14:37,590 --> 03:14:40,290 people who attend in person on campus college. 2993 03:14:41,100 --> 03:14:44,070 That's why I went to class and I know I'm just 2994 03:14:44,070 --> 03:14:46,170 saying that's, that's what's interesting about it. 2995 03:14:47,160 --> 03:14:52,320 But when you have more degrees, it dilutes the meaning of go 2996 03:14:52,320 --> 03:14:55,140 short, of course. So of course now people are starting to check 2997 03:14:55,140 --> 03:14:59,070 your brain like what kind of what kind of degrees it means 2998 03:14:59,070 --> 03:15:04,620 something Yeah, No, and this is why they have to protect schools 2999 03:15:04,620 --> 03:15:09,150 like this. And this is why you've seen such a you know, 3000 03:15:09,360 --> 03:15:14,850 vehement pushback. Yeah, um, you know, over these lacrosse 3001 03:15:14,850 --> 03:15:19,740 players, it's a lot at risk. This is why the NCAA is such a 3002 03:15:19,740 --> 03:15:24,900 powerful Institute because they're the gatekeepers for the 3003 03:15:24,930 --> 03:15:29,430 entertainment of universities. I mean, who wants to go to 3004 03:15:29,850 --> 03:15:34,050 Alabama? If you couldn't see Bama play football? Or do play 3005 03:15:34,050 --> 03:15:37,770 basketball, or Michigan or Ohio State? Are these big schools? 3006 03:15:37,980 --> 03:15:40,890 These are the drawed. This is the entertainment draw. 3007 03:15:41,519 --> 03:15:45,479 And again, it's so interesting, because here is this difference 3008 03:15:45,899 --> 03:15:50,879 between us and cultural background? Where I don't have 3009 03:15:51,029 --> 03:15:54,659 any of that that was not marketed to me. I was unaware of 3010 03:15:54,659 --> 03:15:57,299 it. I don't know about the entertainment value. This is why 3011 03:15:57,299 --> 03:16:02,969 I'm I was not in the American media. You 3012 03:16:02,970 --> 03:16:05,760 Tito mean you teach right there, right? Yeah, I don't I don't 3013 03:16:05,760 --> 03:16:10,110 care. I'm just saying but you know, how you would you? I will 3014 03:16:10,110 --> 03:16:16,440 guess that you're aware. How big of a deal and economic generator 3015 03:16:16,440 --> 03:16:18,090 it is for those football games on Saturday? 3016 03:16:18,120 --> 03:16:21,090 Yes. So you're making my point while missing it at the same 3017 03:16:21,090 --> 03:16:25,500 time. My point is, it is uniquely American, how we how 3018 03:16:25,500 --> 03:16:30,750 the American youth and growing up experience is all geared 3019 03:16:30,780 --> 03:16:37,050 around this. That is unique to America, particularly with high 3020 03:16:37,050 --> 03:16:41,820 school sports flowing into college sports. The pep rallies 3021 03:16:41,820 --> 03:16:45,360 to cheerleaders. That's not Do you see cheerleaders during 3022 03:16:45,360 --> 03:16:50,580 World Soccer? No, no. Do you see band? Do you see a halftime with 3023 03:16:50,580 --> 03:16:52,500 bands and Jay Z performing? 3024 03:16:52,890 --> 03:16:55,440 No. But this is the vetting system? No, but 3025 03:16:55,470 --> 03:17:00,540 but I'm just what I'm pointing out Mo is that this is a unique 3026 03:17:00,570 --> 03:17:06,000 American thing. Right? This is It's fascinating to learn so 3027 03:17:06,000 --> 03:17:10,920 much about it during this during this show. Because you without 3028 03:17:10,920 --> 03:17:13,770 you knowing you're presuming things that I have absolutely no 3029 03:17:13,770 --> 03:17:14,610 knowledge of. 3030 03:17:15,150 --> 03:17:18,750 Yeah, I'm aware of that. And that's why I'm taking I'm taking 3031 03:17:18,750 --> 03:17:22,800 it, you know, trying to highlight the point that it's 3032 03:17:22,800 --> 03:17:24,420 not about the sports, 3033 03:17:24,510 --> 03:17:28,620 I understand. But it's it's the it's the whole package. It's the 3034 03:17:28,620 --> 03:17:32,820 marketing, it's this. It's the loans, it's everything. 3035 03:17:33,870 --> 03:17:37,350 And it's the access. Yes, of course, it has access into the 3036 03:17:37,350 --> 03:17:40,410 networks, of course, because if you never make it on Duke 3037 03:17:40,410 --> 03:17:42,240 campus, you're going to be capped. That's why 3038 03:17:42,660 --> 03:17:46,530 why Chris Cuomo had a job, you know, it's like this, it's like, 3039 03:17:46,530 --> 03:17:49,380 everybody has to be connected somehow. 3040 03:17:49,740 --> 03:17:53,070 Right? Because then then because the flip side of it is like, how 3041 03:17:53,070 --> 03:17:55,920 do I work so hard for my son to have these privileges? What do 3042 03:17:55,920 --> 03:17:59,460 you mean, but at the same time, they did not have privileges is 3043 03:17:59,460 --> 03:18:05,550 weird, right? You have a thing called Legacy students. Yeah. 3044 03:18:05,610 --> 03:18:08,040 Where are we like, if your parents went to that school, you 3045 03:18:08,040 --> 03:18:11,940 kind of like and as long as I'm saying reasonable grades, but 3046 03:18:11,940 --> 03:18:13,710 then I say, well, there's no privilege. What do you mean 3047 03:18:13,710 --> 03:18:16,800 there's no, you have actual thing called Legacy students. 3048 03:18:17,550 --> 03:18:21,720 You know, it's not as in it matters, I mean, these sporting 3049 03:18:21,720 --> 03:18:25,650 events and it's not so it's not only white institutions, but 3050 03:18:25,980 --> 03:18:32,970 this is the this is the know this the infrastructure. So I 3051 03:18:32,970 --> 03:18:36,750 guess we can move on. This is the second family to see. See, 3052 03:18:36,810 --> 03:18:41,520 Siegelman secret lemons. And this is part one. 3053 03:18:42,300 --> 03:18:47,250 Your son's mug shot was out there, he was shown walking with 3054 03:18:47,250 --> 03:18:50,280 handcuffs. How do you get past that? I 3055 03:18:50,280 --> 03:18:54,810 will never get past that. I won't. It'll it will be forever 3056 03:18:54,810 --> 03:19:00,450 etched in my mind. And but the one thing that helps me deal 3057 03:19:00,450 --> 03:19:03,750 with it is that when he stepped out of that police car, he stood 3058 03:19:03,750 --> 03:19:07,170 up tall. He put his shoulders back, and I knew he was going to 3059 03:19:07,170 --> 03:19:12,150 be okay that day. I was home watching it on TV, because I had 3060 03:19:12,150 --> 03:19:17,340 to stay home with my other boys. And my husband was with the and 3061 03:19:18,870 --> 03:19:21,870 Reid had begged me Please mom, they've already told us they're 3062 03:19:21,870 --> 03:19:26,250 going to handcuff us so please, I don't want you to watch and I 3063 03:19:26,250 --> 03:19:31,140 found my younger son crying in front of the TV watching it and 3064 03:19:31,860 --> 03:19:36,960 I was horrified. But when I saw Reid step out, and he just stood 3065 03:19:36,960 --> 03:19:41,010 so tall and proud and I I knew he was going to be fine. 3066 03:19:42,630 --> 03:19:43,830 Would you ring your bell on 3067 03:19:45,330 --> 03:19:49,530 the fact that he put his shoulders back chest out? And 3068 03:19:49,530 --> 03:19:53,550 when I look I'm gonna take this cake you're saying I'm gonna 3069 03:19:53,550 --> 03:20:00,900 face this like a man and that's what's missing. Ah Oftentimes 3070 03:20:00,900 --> 03:20:04,050 when we're the victims and I say we the black quote unquote 3071 03:20:04,050 --> 03:20:07,380 community or victims of crimes, we already apologize and and 3072 03:20:07,380 --> 03:20:09,870 want to have peace. You know, that's that corrupt thing like, 3073 03:20:09,900 --> 03:20:12,270 oh, we just want to get along with everybody. I know you 3074 03:20:12,270 --> 03:20:16,410 killed my child, but I just want to get along. Like these kids. 3075 03:20:16,440 --> 03:20:20,190 They were like, geez, they stuck their chest out was like, Nope, 3076 03:20:20,700 --> 03:20:23,580 we're going down like that. But they're backed by family. Right? 3077 03:20:24,000 --> 03:20:27,750 See, that's the power. And that's what drives the left hand 3078 03:20:27,750 --> 03:20:32,460 side. The, the liberal was crazy. It's just like the 3079 03:20:32,460 --> 03:20:37,080 smugness about it. But when you got family backing you up? You 3080 03:20:37,080 --> 03:20:38,760 know, you feel 10 feet tall. 3081 03:20:39,780 --> 03:20:42,000 Oh, that's true. That's absolutely true. 3082 03:20:42,480 --> 03:20:45,540 Yeah, and you hear it, she said, I was, I was worried about my 3083 03:20:45,540 --> 03:20:48,990 son's house on standing like a man. And I knew he was gonna be 3084 03:20:49,020 --> 03:20:53,520 alright, so that's that that's the patriarchy. That's what 3085 03:20:53,520 --> 03:20:58,860 that's the desktop bogged down. imagery of the baker patriarchy 3086 03:20:59,610 --> 03:21:05,910 is like, you can't crack me. You know, and this is very personal 3087 03:21:05,910 --> 03:21:10,440 to me, because you can't break me. You feel upset? Like, what 3088 03:21:10,440 --> 03:21:12,750 are you going to do? To me? They're like this whole job 3089 03:21:12,750 --> 03:21:15,960 situation. Okay, take your job. What are you gonna do? Ego crack 3090 03:21:15,960 --> 03:21:21,060 me? Because I was raised by me and like we You see, turn on my 3091 03:21:21,060 --> 03:21:25,290 father, you're saying a whole host of like, I don't like 3092 03:21:25,290 --> 03:21:29,970 talking about this stuff too much. But pastors in and out my 3093 03:21:29,970 --> 03:21:33,840 house all the time eaten dinner? Mm hmm. Like, I mean, I was 3094 03:21:34,410 --> 03:21:42,120 privy to, you know, a very influential social circle. Just 3095 03:21:42,120 --> 03:21:43,350 to see it work. 3096 03:21:43,500 --> 03:21:46,050 And it shows Wow. And it shows. 3097 03:21:47,070 --> 03:21:52,860 That's why when I walk into a room is confidence. Um, and it 3098 03:21:52,860 --> 03:21:55,080 can be off putting the people because they want you to be in 3099 03:21:55,080 --> 03:21:57,990 sir. Oh, you're awful confident for a black guy. You know, they 3100 03:21:57,990 --> 03:22:01,260 don't say that. But it's basically all your different 3101 03:22:03,090 --> 03:22:06,660 people, but people didn't know, other people, black people out 3102 03:22:06,660 --> 03:22:09,900 there know, when you hear you're different. You know what that 3103 03:22:09,900 --> 03:22:14,580 means? Like, you don't fit the calculation I have for you. And 3104 03:22:14,580 --> 03:22:18,090 it's not negative. It's just that you don't meet the 3105 03:22:18,090 --> 03:22:21,120 expectations. And that's goes back to what Jalen Rose felt 3106 03:22:21,120 --> 03:22:25,350 about Grant Hill. You know, he, I don't need to show off my 3107 03:22:25,350 --> 03:22:28,770 skill speaks for itself. These are the kinds of things that you 3108 03:22:28,770 --> 03:22:34,470 know, are embedded by the patriarch by a patriarchal, not 3109 03:22:34,470 --> 03:22:38,670 the patriarchy, but by a patriarchal society that teaches 3110 03:22:38,670 --> 03:22:43,560 you this and not, nothing can break. Nothing can break you in 3111 03:22:43,560 --> 03:22:47,040 mass. And I found that clip to be amazing that to say when I 3112 03:22:47,040 --> 03:22:51,660 saw my son, even though he was in handcuffs, you stand tall. 3113 03:22:52,140 --> 03:22:55,470 And we're the victims of things and we always apologize and say, 3114 03:22:55,470 --> 03:22:58,290 Oh, we just want to get along. We forgive we forget, no, stop 3115 03:22:58,290 --> 03:23:02,250 forgiving and forgetting. get blurred. And what I mean by blue 3116 03:23:02,310 --> 03:23:06,030 is I want you to listen to what they said they want it I this 3117 03:23:06,030 --> 03:23:09,750 whole situation for how their sons were created was treated. 3118 03:23:10,589 --> 03:23:14,849 today's press conference by the Attorney General was a dramatic, 3119 03:23:15,239 --> 03:23:19,769 really a stunning repudiation of Michael knife on the prosecutor. 3120 03:23:20,909 --> 03:23:24,299 If you had a chance to say something to Mr. Knife on today, 3121 03:23:24,749 --> 03:23:25,529 what would it be? 3122 03:23:28,110 --> 03:23:34,650 What he did, and the fraud, which he perpetuated for nearly 3123 03:23:34,650 --> 03:23:39,180 a year? Was it all that important to be the district 3124 03:23:39,180 --> 03:23:43,290 attorney of Durham, North Carolina, to throw three kids to 3125 03:23:43,290 --> 03:23:47,100 the wolves, ruin their lives, ruin their family's lives all 3126 03:23:47,100 --> 03:23:52,050 for what? For what? I'll never understand. never understand 3127 03:23:53,070 --> 03:23:54,810 what you'd like him to say to you. 3128 03:23:58,710 --> 03:24:04,680 He's sorry. Not that that will ever help how I feel. I would 3129 03:24:04,680 --> 03:24:10,050 like to know that this can never happen again to anyone. It's a 3130 03:24:10,050 --> 03:24:20,220 horrifying thing. When you see your child when you know that 3131 03:24:20,220 --> 03:24:24,720 your son can be put in jail for something he didn't do. And it 3132 03:24:24,720 --> 03:24:28,650 is out of your control. And you can't protect him from someone 3133 03:24:28,650 --> 03:24:35,430 that you know is lying and fabricating stories about him 3134 03:24:35,670 --> 03:24:45,180 and and i i want this man to say that he will never ever allow 3135 03:24:45,180 --> 03:24:48,930 something like this to happen again. And I mean, I would like 3136 03:24:48,930 --> 03:24:51,930 him to say I resign is what I'd like him to say. Would you like 3137 03:24:51,930 --> 03:24:52,110 him 3138 03:24:52,110 --> 03:24:56,070 to be disbarred? Yes. Which charges file? 3139 03:24:56,100 --> 03:24:56,970 Yes, yes. 3140 03:24:58,080 --> 03:25:01,860 Yeah, it's different. Yeah. Oh, Are the cops shoes? We heard the 3141 03:25:01,860 --> 03:25:06,720 family that were victims is I'm sorry. We just want to forgive. 3142 03:25:06,930 --> 03:25:11,400 I forgive them today. They shot my son. I forgave him. No, no, 3143 03:25:11,400 --> 03:25:15,630 no, no, no, it's a lot different when you mess with real citizens 3144 03:25:16,800 --> 03:25:20,490 This is how citizens carry it out. No, I want his job. I want 3145 03:25:20,490 --> 03:25:24,750 them disbarred. I want him in jail. I want him to apologize. 3146 03:25:24,780 --> 03:25:28,770 They had a list of demands. They weren't just happy for their son 3147 03:25:28,770 --> 03:25:34,920 to be free. We got to stop moving and when I say we, I mean 3148 03:25:34,950 --> 03:25:37,650 talking about everybody now this this is how we get in the 3149 03:25:37,650 --> 03:25:41,220 position that we're in now. Where people tell us what to do. 3150 03:25:42,030 --> 03:25:44,580 No, we got to start saying what we want upfront 3151 03:25:45,780 --> 03:25:49,500 everybody and that's especially men 3152 03:25:50,700 --> 03:25:53,310 right because you heard you heard what she said and you know 3153 03:25:53,760 --> 03:25:55,800 and guess what she got what she wanted 3154 03:25:56,700 --> 03:26:03,840 yep God's gonna say that's this type of thinking my experience 3155 03:26:03,870 --> 03:26:08,310 is get you what you want. You know if the grass grows where 3156 03:26:08,310 --> 03:26:11,940 you water it if you focus on something that you know, way 3157 03:26:11,940 --> 03:26:15,810 where you focus is what's going to happen. It's just always that 3158 03:26:15,810 --> 03:26:16,140 way. 3159 03:26:16,740 --> 03:26:21,300 The NS what people had to start realizing not you cow town, and 3160 03:26:21,300 --> 03:26:24,870 bending down I mean, that gets you more of that. Get you more 3161 03:26:24,870 --> 03:26:25,710 boot. That's what 3162 03:26:27,150 --> 03:26:30,570 gets you more boot. Beautiful. 3163 03:26:30,990 --> 03:26:34,170 Prosecutor in the failed Duke lacrosse rape case has been 3164 03:26:34,170 --> 03:26:38,220 disbarred over his handling of the matter. Mike knife honks at 3165 03:26:38,220 --> 03:26:40,800 stoically as a three member panel from the North Carolina 3166 03:26:40,800 --> 03:26:43,860 State Bar lectured him on what they called his selfish 3167 03:26:43,860 --> 03:26:47,520 prosecution of three lacrosse players who were falsely accused 3168 03:26:47,520 --> 03:26:51,000 of raping a stripper. We can draw no other conclusion 3169 03:26:52,200 --> 03:26:57,090 but that those initial statements that he made to 3170 03:26:57,090 --> 03:26:59,400 further his political ambitions 3171 03:26:59,640 --> 03:27:02,880 at the time when the case broken iPhone was in a tight race for 3172 03:27:02,880 --> 03:27:06,600 reelection. He won that contest but the rape case was falling 3173 03:27:06,600 --> 03:27:09,480 apart. He later let the state attorney general handle the 3174 03:27:09,480 --> 03:27:12,480 matter and he dismissed all charges saying the players were 3175 03:27:12,480 --> 03:27:15,810 innocent. The players are all in the courtroom for the hearing 3176 03:27:15,930 --> 03:27:19,860 and had a subdued celebration at the end. More years representing 3177 03:27:19,860 --> 03:27:22,380 the players a plot of the decision district and iPhones 3178 03:27:22,380 --> 03:27:25,770 law license and say anyone paying attention to the case new 3179 03:27:25,800 --> 03:27:28,770 knife on never had a chance to convicting the players. 3180 03:27:28,950 --> 03:27:32,280 This story was simply a hoax. 3181 03:27:32,340 --> 03:27:35,400 Friday knife on told the panel he was planning on resigning his 3182 03:27:35,400 --> 03:27:39,300 position and on Saturday, his lawyer said nightlong himself 3183 03:27:39,300 --> 03:27:42,300 thought he should be disbarred and added he won't appeal the 3184 03:27:42,300 --> 03:27:45,210 ruling. However the lawyers representing the players say 3185 03:27:45,210 --> 03:27:47,880 they see little honor and those moves. My 3186 03:27:47,880 --> 03:27:54,180 initial feeling was that I've been at executions. And it was 3187 03:27:54,180 --> 03:27:57,930 kind of like the day before you're executed if you cut up 3188 03:27:57,930 --> 03:28:00,690 the sheet and hang yourself so you're in control of your own 3189 03:28:00,690 --> 03:28:01,320 destiny. 3190 03:28:01,440 --> 03:28:04,320 Lawyers for the players say they are considering seeking criminal 3191 03:28:04,320 --> 03:28:07,800 contempt charges against an iPhone and even suggested asking 3192 03:28:07,800 --> 03:28:11,280 for a federal civil rights investigation into his actions. 3193 03:28:11,880 --> 03:28:20,040 Gosh, man, I mean, you've got a guy running for reelection. I've 3194 03:28:20,040 --> 03:28:23,220 been I've been searching for some kind of Soros connection it 3195 03:28:23,220 --> 03:28:29,670 just reeks of Soros and an A da electro electoral campaign. I 3196 03:28:29,670 --> 03:28:32,250 mean, it's crazy. The parallel 3197 03:28:32,939 --> 03:28:37,379 right and he you heard what they said even though he resigned No, 3198 03:28:37,379 --> 03:28:40,679 we want we want you to do we want your job. We want silver 3199 03:28:40,829 --> 03:28:45,389 and it was just all gas no brakes. It well it wasn't enough 3200 03:28:45,389 --> 03:28:47,879 and they even dragged him out and made him apologize to the 3201 03:28:47,879 --> 03:28:57,149 boys as well. Mm hmm. Yeah, he had to know a man now No, get me 3202 03:28:57,149 --> 03:29:00,179 wrong. He only did like a day in jail. All the stuff he 3203 03:29:03,030 --> 03:29:06,360 did like literally one day it literally was one day I think. 3204 03:29:06,540 --> 03:29:09,990 How does that work? How did you How do you rig a case up against 3205 03:29:11,430 --> 03:29:15,360 I just something special about this case? To the fact that you 3206 03:29:15,360 --> 03:29:21,000 only do a day in jail. I'm nightfall has some friends hired 3207 03:29:21,300 --> 03:29:24,270 to pull that one off to me because even he they couldn't 3208 03:29:24,270 --> 03:29:28,770 get him thrown in jail. Um, but you see what they did they made 3209 03:29:28,770 --> 03:29:32,370 or they drag them out. I made him apologize. You want to 3210 03:29:32,370 --> 03:29:33,750 listen to that apology right quick? Yeah. 3211 03:29:33,749 --> 03:29:35,429 Do you have it? Oh, yeah, here. Yeah, you got it. 3212 03:29:35,669 --> 03:29:39,449 For the last 16 months proven to be a difficult and painful 3213 03:29:39,449 --> 03:29:43,199 journey for my family and for myself. I know this has also 3214 03:29:43,199 --> 03:29:45,869 been a difficult and painful journey for Reid Seligman, 3215 03:29:46,049 --> 03:29:50,159 called infinity and David Evans, for their families, for Durham 3216 03:29:50,279 --> 03:29:55,259 for the state of North Carolina. We all need to heal. I believe, 3217 03:29:55,259 --> 03:29:58,379 however, that this healing process cannot truly began until 3218 03:29:58,379 --> 03:30:01,589 all proceedings involving this matter. are concluded and 3219 03:30:01,589 --> 03:30:05,219 everyone is able to go forward. I have resigned my position as 3220 03:30:05,219 --> 03:30:09,629 drums district attorney as a part of this process. I have 3221 03:30:09,629 --> 03:30:12,809 read the report released by the attorney general, including his 3222 03:30:12,809 --> 03:30:15,929 recitation of evidence that I did not have evidence he 3223 03:30:15,929 --> 03:30:18,959 obtained from his own investigation. I agree with the 3224 03:30:18,959 --> 03:30:21,929 attorney general statement that there is no credible evidence 3225 03:30:22,139 --> 03:30:26,219 that Mr. Seligman, Mr. Finnerty or Mr. Evans, committed in 3226 03:30:26,219 --> 03:30:28,919 either crimes for which they were indicted, or any other 3227 03:30:28,919 --> 03:30:32,069 crimes against Miss Michael, during the party that occurred 3228 03:30:32,069 --> 03:30:37,409 on March 13 and 14th 2006, at 610, North Buchanan Boulevard 3229 03:30:37,409 --> 03:30:42,689 interim. Mr. Solomon, Mr. Finnerty and Mr. Evans, were 3230 03:30:42,689 --> 03:30:45,179 entitled to the presumption of innocence when they were under 3231 03:30:45,179 --> 03:30:48,749 indictment. Surely they are entitled to more than that now, 3232 03:30:49,139 --> 03:30:52,289 as they go forward with the rest of their lives. And that is what 3233 03:30:52,289 --> 03:30:55,379 the attorney general tried to give them in his declaration 3234 03:30:55,379 --> 03:30:58,709 that they are innocent. I have admitted on more than one 3235 03:30:58,709 --> 03:31:01,859 occasion that I have made mistakes in the prosecution of 3236 03:31:01,859 --> 03:31:05,399 these cases. For that I sincerely apologize to Mr. 3237 03:31:05,399 --> 03:31:11,369 Seligman. Mr. Finnerty Mr. Evans, and to their families. It 3238 03:31:11,369 --> 03:31:13,739 is my hope that all of us can learn from the mistakes for this 3239 03:31:13,739 --> 03:31:18,179 case, that all of us can begin to move forward. It is my hope 3240 03:31:18,179 --> 03:31:20,819 that we can start this process today. Thank you. Yeah, 3241 03:31:21,150 --> 03:31:23,220 yes, we want to move forward. 3242 03:31:23,790 --> 03:31:27,180 Keith the rain right. Here's the rain. 3243 03:31:28,019 --> 03:31:35,009 It was D so he conspired with the with the DNA lab technician 3244 03:31:35,009 --> 03:31:37,769 Yes. And not disclose all of the information 3245 03:31:38,340 --> 03:31:52,470 and set up rigged up a a we call it the lineups Oh yeah. Do a day 3246 03:31:52,470 --> 03:31:55,140 in jail. So this is what we start talking about white 3247 03:31:55,140 --> 03:32:00,210 privilege. Yeah, this is what we're talking about. Now. How is 3248 03:32:00,210 --> 03:32:03,210 it that you can do all of that you want to spend a day in jail? 3249 03:32:04,380 --> 03:32:08,100 That That doesn't make any sense to me. Oh, 3250 03:32:08,550 --> 03:32:14,220 no, but this Yeah, I mean, we know the system is not right. 3251 03:32:14,910 --> 03:32:20,670 If it wasn't right i mean like i said every this goes to show you 3252 03:32:20,670 --> 03:32:24,510 that even steel they wouldn't do him all the way dirty like they 3253 03:32:24,510 --> 03:32:28,710 could they made they wet they made him go out there and 3254 03:32:28,710 --> 03:32:32,070 apologize to the to the young man that was involved right we 3255 03:32:32,070 --> 03:32:35,070 don't see that you're saying in most cases when someone's wrong 3256 03:32:35,100 --> 03:32:38,100 I still like extend apology yet to cow 3257 03:32:39,630 --> 03:32:41,010 Good luck with that. 3258 03:32:41,310 --> 03:32:44,460 Know what see that goes to show you is different levels. Yeah, 3259 03:32:44,490 --> 03:32:46,980 it's different level you know, when you mess with Smite the 3260 03:32:46,980 --> 03:32:49,770 wrong kids. You have this? You know, yeah, you 3261 03:32:49,770 --> 03:32:52,800 gotta go out there. You gotta you gotta kneel and apologize 3262 03:32:52,800 --> 03:32:55,110 and do all kinds of stuff. Well, yeah, rightly so. 3263 03:32:55,620 --> 03:32:58,830 So these last three clips, you're saying we play them and 3264 03:32:58,830 --> 03:33:02,430 we'll but this wraps up what happened to the accuser, and 3265 03:33:02,430 --> 03:33:06,630 this is this is a true tragedy. Um, she ended up writing a book, 3266 03:33:06,930 --> 03:33:10,080 and she's still in her mind thinks that she's a victim. 3267 03:33:13,080 --> 03:33:15,960 who accused three Duplo cross players of rape is still 3268 03:33:15,960 --> 03:33:19,350 insisting she was attacked. She makes the claim in a new memoir, 3269 03:33:19,560 --> 03:33:22,590 Crystal Magnum appeared publicly Thursday for the first time 3270 03:33:22,590 --> 03:33:25,440 since making the allegations more than two years ago. 3271 03:33:25,860 --> 03:33:29,790 No one deserves to be sexually assaulted, regardless of their 3272 03:33:29,790 --> 03:33:34,320 profession, or regardless of what they have done. I'm a real 3273 03:33:34,320 --> 03:33:43,290 person. I have feelings. I'm not just an exotic dancer. I'm not 3274 03:33:43,290 --> 03:33:47,700 just someone who tried to frame someone who was innocent of 3275 03:33:47,700 --> 03:33:56,460 sexual assault. My only intentions were for justice. And 3276 03:33:56,460 --> 03:33:58,260 I want to justice for myself. 3277 03:33:58,500 --> 03:34:01,260 She says in her book that she's not looking forward to opening 3278 03:34:01,260 --> 03:34:04,890 old wounds, but that she had to defend herself. Prosecutors 3279 03:34:04,890 --> 03:34:07,710 determined that her accusations against the three players were 3280 03:34:07,710 --> 03:34:10,440 false. And her renewed allegations are triggering a 3281 03:34:10,440 --> 03:34:13,260 threat of a lawsuit from the family of one of the exonerated 3282 03:34:13,260 --> 03:34:17,070 players. The book is available online. Magnum wouldn't answer 3283 03:34:17,070 --> 03:34:20,310 questions about details of the case at the news conference, 3284 03:34:20,790 --> 03:34:22,770 John Belmont, the Associated Press 3285 03:34:22,950 --> 03:34:24,450 went when did this book come out? 3286 03:34:25,560 --> 03:34:31,620 Just came out, I think and oh, no, I don't want to say okay, it 3287 03:34:31,620 --> 03:34:35,010 was yours. It was years after the case. So I think some book 3288 03:34:35,010 --> 03:34:38,220 company probably saw Oh, this would be a seller, for people 3289 03:34:38,220 --> 03:34:41,130 that still want to believe that something nefarious went on that 3290 03:34:41,130 --> 03:34:45,960 night. So they I don't think they looked at her best interest 3291 03:34:45,960 --> 03:34:48,450 in heart or had our best interests at heart. 3292 03:34:50,130 --> 03:34:54,030 Well, here's, here's a couple $1,000 advance and you'll never 3293 03:34:54,030 --> 03:34:56,310 hear from us again. That's how that's how those book deals 3294 03:34:56,310 --> 03:34:56,730 work. 3295 03:34:57,269 --> 03:34:59,759 Yep. And then we have more in the book deal if you want to 3296 03:34:59,759 --> 03:35:00,569 listen to During 3297 03:35:01,800 --> 03:35:04,950 the last time the public saw crystal Mangum, she quietly 3298 03:35:04,950 --> 03:35:08,280 fingered three Duke lacrosse players in this video tape photo 3299 03:35:08,280 --> 03:35:11,880 lineup. Two years later, she walked back into the spotlight 3300 03:35:11,880 --> 03:35:13,350 to promote her new book. 3301 03:35:13,380 --> 03:35:18,930 The Duke lacrosse case will never define who I am. I'm a 3302 03:35:18,930 --> 03:35:23,880 proud mother of three wonderful children. I graduated from 3303 03:35:23,880 --> 03:35:32,790 college with honors. The last dance for grace is a story about 3304 03:35:32,790 --> 03:35:33,510 my life. 3305 03:35:33,600 --> 03:35:36,990 The last dance for grace according to Mangum is her story 3306 03:35:37,050 --> 03:35:40,560 a woman with a troubled past whom by her own account, was 3307 03:35:40,560 --> 03:35:44,400 raped three times twice as a teenager and then again as an 3308 03:35:44,400 --> 03:35:47,310 exotic dancer in March 2006. 3309 03:35:47,340 --> 03:35:51,390 Yes, I am. I am still claiming that sexual assault happened 3310 03:35:51,450 --> 03:35:54,870 but mainly I'm stopped short of commenting on former da Mike my 3311 03:35:54,870 --> 03:35:58,290 farm the prosecutor accused of withholding DNA evidence in the 3312 03:35:58,290 --> 03:36:02,040 case that was later dismissed by the state attorney general, do 3313 03:36:02,040 --> 03:36:05,880 you believe that we sell in color generally and David Evans 3314 03:36:05,880 --> 03:36:06,450 were innocent? 3315 03:36:08,850 --> 03:36:13,590 I have no comments about the details of the case. However, I 3316 03:36:13,590 --> 03:36:17,730 do talk about a little bit about it in the last sense for grace. 3317 03:36:19,230 --> 03:36:20,550 But I have no comment. 3318 03:36:21,420 --> 03:36:25,620 And Mangum caution, according to her team of advisers is partly 3319 03:36:25,620 --> 03:36:28,620 because of the threat of potential lawsuits. Her side of 3320 03:36:28,620 --> 03:36:32,100 the story they say has been kept from the public. They claim at 3321 03:36:32,100 --> 03:36:35,220 least two networks that failed to air interviews with Mangum. 3322 03:36:35,430 --> 03:36:39,690 This photo of CNN anchor Soledad O'Brien and Mangum was provided 3323 03:36:39,690 --> 03:36:41,070 to Eyewitness News. 3324 03:36:42,990 --> 03:36:44,010 Oh, man, 3325 03:36:44,520 --> 03:36:46,230 everybody uses a woman up. 3326 03:36:46,470 --> 03:36:50,160 Well, did you know how it ends with her? 3327 03:36:50,520 --> 03:36:53,520 Do you want to share it with people? Number 40? No, 3328 03:36:53,550 --> 03:36:57,270 okay, cuz I was just looking at the page. I'm like, Oh, my 3329 03:36:57,270 --> 03:36:58,080 goodness. 3330 03:36:58,470 --> 03:37:01,410 Well, the woman who was at the center of the false rape 3331 03:37:01,410 --> 03:37:04,050 allegations that were brought against three Duke University 3332 03:37:04,050 --> 03:37:07,950 athletes may now be facing a murder charge. Earlier this 3333 03:37:07,950 --> 03:37:11,310 month, the police arrested crystal Magnum for stabbing her 3334 03:37:11,310 --> 03:37:17,010 boyfriend in the kitchen with a knife. Now we've learned that 3335 03:37:17,010 --> 03:37:20,520 that victim has died. In that case, prosecutors say that they 3336 03:37:20,520 --> 03:37:24,300 will likely charge Magnum with murder. Back in 2006. As you may 3337 03:37:24,300 --> 03:37:27,120 remember, this story went on for months and months, she accused 3338 03:37:27,120 --> 03:37:30,720 three Duke lacrosse players of raping her and an Off Campus 3339 03:37:30,720 --> 03:37:34,230 Party. Those charges were later shown to be false. And the 3340 03:37:34,230 --> 03:37:36,780 charges against those three men were dropped. 3341 03:37:37,680 --> 03:37:46,590 And here's the kicker. She argued in that particular charge 3342 03:37:46,590 --> 03:37:49,890 second degree murder after she stabbed her boyfriend. And he 3343 03:37:49,890 --> 03:37:55,230 died. She argued she acted in self defense. Fearing that he 3344 03:37:55,230 --> 03:37:59,010 would kill her. She got sentenced 14 to 18 years. 3345 03:38:00,840 --> 03:38:01,770 true tragedy. 3346 03:38:02,190 --> 03:38:06,810 Yeah. And you think, you know, did she really have the Did she 3347 03:38:06,810 --> 03:38:09,390 really have the defense that money could have bought her for 3348 03:38:09,390 --> 03:38:15,000 a self defense defense? Right? I know. It's exactly the point. I 3349 03:38:15,000 --> 03:38:17,250 got it. That's why I thought it was a cool kicker. 3350 03:38:17,700 --> 03:38:21,390 And this goes to show you what the black doctor were saying 3351 03:38:21,390 --> 03:38:25,530 earlier about mental health. Nobody sought to get this woman 3352 03:38:25,530 --> 03:38:29,400 that help that she needed. And she ended up just being a harm 3353 03:38:29,400 --> 03:38:33,360 to someone else and taking someone else's life. They just 3354 03:38:33,360 --> 03:38:36,450 saw her as an object to for political gain. I put up 3355 03:38:36,450 --> 03:38:42,810 football. Um, and they've just dumped it to the side. And in, 3356 03:38:43,050 --> 03:38:44,910 she end up taking another person's life. 3357 03:38:45,540 --> 03:38:49,410 So how do you wrap this up Mo? What's our takeaway? What are we 3358 03:38:49,410 --> 03:38:51,810 going to do? I don't know if I can sleep right now. 3359 03:38:52,860 --> 03:38:55,680 You know, what we have to do is we had to pay attention to these 3360 03:38:55,680 --> 03:38:59,190 previous cases like this. Because if we looked at this a 3361 03:38:59,190 --> 03:39:03,600 month ago, we probably could have saw what was going to 3362 03:39:03,600 --> 03:39:07,980 happen in other cases. And there's another case out there 3363 03:39:08,370 --> 03:39:14,910 lingering about a race hoax that we need to pay attention to 3364 03:39:14,910 --> 03:39:17,430 because there's VAs involved, 3365 03:39:17,820 --> 03:39:20,100 mostly most most years smaller. 3366 03:39:20,370 --> 03:39:21,420 Yes. 3367 03:39:24,300 --> 03:39:28,290 This Yeah. Oh, it's good. It's so deep. If anything really 3368 03:39:28,290 --> 03:39:31,020 comes to the surface, it's gonna be dynamite. But 3369 03:39:31,110 --> 03:39:35,280 I'm just waiting. Just waiting. We will talk about that case. 3370 03:39:35,280 --> 03:39:38,190 And I got to give people a quick history that we talked about Moe 3371 03:39:38,190 --> 03:39:41,670 facts. This was more of a historical episode about most 3372 03:39:41,670 --> 03:39:45,180 tracks. If there was no Jesse Smollett, there might not be a 3373 03:39:45,180 --> 03:39:51,630 more fact. Ooh. Now, I'll tell people later how that connects. 3374 03:39:52,620 --> 03:39:55,680 When I do the Jesse Smollett case, but I'll leave it as a 3375 03:39:55,680 --> 03:39:58,200 cliffhanger for people. But yes, 3376 03:39:58,260 --> 03:40:01,560 well Moe, happy birthday man. I'm glad I'm glad you did this 3377 03:40:01,560 --> 03:40:06,270 show it was personal it sounded personal educated me much more 3378 03:40:06,270 --> 03:40:10,170 than you probably could have expected just a lot of things as 3379 03:40:10,170 --> 03:40:14,730 I already explained and is a very good background or and is 3380 03:40:14,730 --> 03:40:21,270 now has me laser focused on the entire educational system being 3381 03:40:21,300 --> 03:40:23,760 kind of ground zero of all of this stuff. 3382 03:40:24,689 --> 03:40:26,459 That's the takeaway right there. That's 3383 03:40:26,490 --> 03:40:29,250 Ground Zero, man ground zero. 3384 03:40:29,519 --> 03:40:33,299 We thought it was the press. But we see now from this case, the 3385 03:40:33,299 --> 03:40:39,029 press takes their signals from academia and the alumni and it's 3386 03:40:39,029 --> 03:40:42,929 an it's a, it's there. Often they are the alumnus. Yes. 3387 03:40:44,970 --> 03:40:48,360 Unbelievable. All right. I'm energized now. 3388 03:40:49,349 --> 03:40:54,029 There we go. We have we have someone that we have some people 3389 03:40:54,029 --> 03:40:58,019 to keep an eye on. But as I always say, pay attention to 3390 03:40:58,019 --> 03:41:00,299 everything and the true reveal itself. 3391 03:41:00,540 --> 03:41:04,500 And make sure that you check out the last tapes which will be 3392 03:41:04,590 --> 03:41:07,440 next Wednesday and we back the Wednesday after that with 3393 03:41:07,440 --> 03:41:11,880 another episode of MO facts with Adam curry. Moe Have yourself a 3394 03:41:11,910 --> 03:41:15,810 great week and happy birthday again brother. Thank you, Adam. 3395 03:41:15,810 --> 03:41:18,270 Have a good one. And if you'd like to support the show, Mo 3396 03:41:18,270 --> 03:41:23,670 facts.com. Go directly to our donation page at mo funmi.com 3397 03:41:23,700 --> 03:41:29,220 moe FUND me.com. And thank you so much for supporting the show. 3398 03:41:29,760 --> 03:42:25,440 Talk to you soon everybody. Bye bye. You just