1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:14,040 It's Moe Factz with Adam Curry for September 29 2021 it's 2 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:19,350 Episode Number 67 I'm Adam Curry here in the hearts of Texas Hill 3 00:00:19,350 --> 00:00:22,350 Country my friend on the other end somewhere in Northern 4 00:00:22,350 --> 00:00:25,590 Virginia ladies and gentlemen Mr. Moe facts 5 00:00:28,110 --> 00:00:28,800 I don't have them 6 00:00:29,490 --> 00:00:30,780 great mo How are you? 7 00:00:31,290 --> 00:00:32,340 I'm doing well 8 00:00:33,210 --> 00:00:37,260 we have new gear today so bear with me if I have no idea how 9 00:00:37,260 --> 00:00:40,800 everything's gonna go just trying to make it all work we're 10 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,220 growing and growing yeah we're trying to be better every single 11 00:00:44,220 --> 00:00:47,280 day doing everything we can I'm good to hear it man How's that? 12 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:51,570 How's the 14 day period been? I missed your live so tell me how 13 00:00:51,570 --> 00:00:51,810 that's 14 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:57,450 all the labs are great um, if you're not here in the lives 15 00:00:58,050 --> 00:01:02,640 then you are missing a large component of the show. Yeah, I 16 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:03,720 will say that I saw 17 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:08,490 the I saw the announcement which you had a cool was secondary 18 00:01:08,490 --> 00:01:12,900 line to it there What was it? Tell me what it said. Oh, 19 00:01:12,900 --> 00:01:14,790 it's the internet's the interactive newsletter 20 00:01:14,820 --> 00:01:17,550 get those interactive newsletter or something the last tapes? Was 21 00:01:17,550 --> 00:01:18,600 it the lost tapes or saw 22 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:20,520 that's the name that's the name of it. That's the name of the 23 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:25,890 product. The last tape yo we go over the clips that don't make 24 00:01:25,890 --> 00:01:29,850 the show we go over visual aids don't make the show. He was the 25 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:35,730 the Obama pics gate. Yes, we have people sending lost 26 00:01:35,910 --> 00:01:39,000 screenshots and things of that nature. So if you're missing the 27 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:43,590 last tapes, which is the interactive newsletter that 28 00:01:43,590 --> 00:01:47,160 complements the show so well. So yeah, check it out on YouTube. 29 00:01:47,190 --> 00:01:50,850 And when for I think moving forward, we're going to first 30 00:01:50,850 --> 00:01:52,860 drop it on YouTube. Is that the idea? 31 00:01:53,130 --> 00:01:57,240 That's the plan. What we want to do is have it every Wednesday at 32 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,450 eight o'clock, you get something new from the show, whether it's 33 00:02:00,450 --> 00:02:06,660 a new episode, our FSA, kiss the episode of lost tapes, which is 34 00:02:06,660 --> 00:02:07,500 like this laugh. 35 00:02:07,740 --> 00:02:10,290 So every single Wednesday, there's basically something 36 00:02:10,290 --> 00:02:13,170 going on. Something's going on eight o'clock. pm, Eastern 37 00:02:13,170 --> 00:02:15,630 Standard, beautiful. Alright, everybody, it's episode number 38 00:02:15,630 --> 00:02:21,840 67. Let's see. We'll get to the topic for today. Spin that wheel 39 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,450 of topics round and round. It goes where it stops. Nobody 40 00:02:24,450 --> 00:02:27,390 knows. Mofaz knows, of course, because he put it together. The 41 00:02:27,390 --> 00:02:29,580 topic for Episode Number 67 42 00:02:29,640 --> 00:02:34,950 is the extremist ideology of Q anon has captured the minds and 43 00:02:34,950 --> 00:02:38,070 imaginations of 10s of millions of Americans. 44 00:02:40,020 --> 00:02:43,170 Okay, conspiracy. Gotta love it. 45 00:02:43,770 --> 00:02:45,630 Or is it? Yeah. 46 00:02:47,010 --> 00:02:49,620 Well, that's kind of, it's what I read the other day, it was a 47 00:02:49,620 --> 00:02:53,010 great line, someone said, it's not a conspiracy. It's an actual 48 00:02:53,100 --> 00:02:56,430 criminal conspiracy. I love stuff like that. I love it. 49 00:02:56,970 --> 00:03:01,560 So what we're going to do is talk about the effects of q1 on 50 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:09,060 other misleading or misguiding efforts to take people into 51 00:03:09,060 --> 00:03:11,490 binary thinking. So that's gonna be the theme of the show is 52 00:03:11,490 --> 00:03:14,610 binary thinking how harmful it is, um, 53 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,130 yeah, I was reading something the other day was, is it a 54 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:21,120 conspiracy theory? Or is that an actual criminal conspiracy? 55 00:03:21,810 --> 00:03:25,620 So what we're going to look at is the effects of binary 56 00:03:25,620 --> 00:03:31,080 thinking and the harmful effects of binary thinking. And we're 57 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:35,190 going to look at through the lens of Q anon, and other 58 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:43,440 alleged government inspired honeypots I guess you would call 59 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:44,310 it or effort. 60 00:03:44,370 --> 00:03:47,730 All right. So that could be against that could be an 18 hour 61 00:03:47,730 --> 00:03:49,650 show? I think it could, but 62 00:03:51,630 --> 00:03:54,600 for the listeners, for the producers. So what I want to do 63 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:58,890 is get into this new york times opinion about why we shouldn't 64 00:03:58,890 --> 00:04:01,980 call it the Capitol, right? writers terrorist 65 00:04:02,340 --> 00:04:06,030 witness yesterday was not dissent. They weren't 66 00:04:06,030 --> 00:04:12,810 protesters. They were a riotous mob, insurrection, domestic 67 00:04:12,810 --> 00:04:13,470 terrorists. 68 00:04:13,980 --> 00:04:15,810 We don't have a domestic terrorism 69 00:04:15,810 --> 00:04:19,260 law. We don't have any of the tools to battle domestic 70 00:04:19,260 --> 00:04:19,770 terrorism. 71 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,220 I think it's time that we had a domestic terrorism statute, 72 00:04:24,090 --> 00:04:27,360 that people who thought the Capitol definitely needs to face 73 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,740 consequences. They're filled with hate. But we should not 74 00:04:31,740 --> 00:04:34,470 call them terrorists and we should not pass you anti 75 00:04:34,470 --> 00:04:45,570 terrorism laws. Funny. In 2005, I was 16 years old, my apartment 76 00:04:45,570 --> 00:04:51,990 was raided by the NYPD Terrorism Task Force, FBI they came, rip 77 00:04:51,990 --> 00:04:55,950 the blankets off my head. My father and I were detained and 78 00:04:55,980 --> 00:04:59,430 put in handcuffs the government suspected me of being a 79 00:04:59,430 --> 00:05:04,920 potential suicide bomber. Oh, I was trying to avoid my emotions, 80 00:05:04,980 --> 00:05:10,650 depression, fear, anger. I didn't do anything wrong, and I 81 00:05:10,650 --> 00:05:16,200 was still treated as a criminal. I was honestly just a 16 year 82 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,680 old, typical six year old, my grades are great. My friends 83 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,170 were awesome. I was in a boy band. 84 00:05:23,550 --> 00:05:26,490 I've heard so many stories I've read so many stories about this 85 00:05:26,490 --> 00:05:27,330 is insane. 86 00:05:27,930 --> 00:05:33,300 So this is our ma ba. And as she stated she was 16 years old when 87 00:05:33,300 --> 00:05:39,420 they stormed her family's Harlem apartment, which that's going to 88 00:05:39,420 --> 00:05:42,300 be an important part in this show. Just keep dispel that word 89 00:05:42,300 --> 00:05:52,410 away. But even she was a victim of a lesbian alleged terrorists. 90 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:57,780 She wants to empathize and not call these people, humanizing. 91 00:05:58,260 --> 00:06:02,250 She's human well, and then she ought Well, it's kind of self 92 00:06:02,790 --> 00:06:07,530 of, you know, it's, she's doing a bit for herself. Because, 93 00:06:08,820 --> 00:06:13,230 yeah, rice is only um, she said that war on terror will only 94 00:06:13,230 --> 00:06:16,650 backfire on innocent black and brown people, which I can't 95 00:06:16,650 --> 00:06:20,250 disagree with her. But it's a true, it's like one of the 96 00:06:20,250 --> 00:06:24,090 things two things can be true. We shouldn't call people 97 00:06:24,090 --> 00:06:27,120 terrorists, because when you start pointing the finger at one 98 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,550 group, like I said, they're going to come in and make 99 00:06:29,550 --> 00:06:33,660 everybody get hit on with that label. So that's one of the 100 00:06:33,660 --> 00:06:34,770 premises of the show. 101 00:06:35,190 --> 00:06:42,060 Well, also, the definition of terrorism has some very specific 102 00:06:43,530 --> 00:06:44,970 elements, you know, get it for you. 103 00:06:45,659 --> 00:06:47,099 Was it political gain? Yeah, 104 00:06:47,099 --> 00:06:48,509 I think it has to be. Yeah, 105 00:06:48,539 --> 00:06:54,029 it's the key key part is for political gain. So um, yeah. So 106 00:06:54,089 --> 00:06:58,019 I thought we'll open up with this. I will want to go back and 107 00:06:58,019 --> 00:07:00,929 maybe go through some things that happened around 911 because 108 00:07:00,929 --> 00:07:04,469 that's what's similar to what's going on now how we're doing 109 00:07:04,469 --> 00:07:08,759 whole swaps or groups as alleged terrorists, yes. And how it 110 00:07:08,759 --> 00:07:13,529 backfires on people? Um, any any questions or 111 00:07:14,099 --> 00:07:22,499 well, very, very loaded there. Well, it probably as we go 112 00:07:22,499 --> 00:07:25,169 along, let's let's see, let's see where we where we wind up 113 00:07:25,620 --> 00:07:29,610 as a teaser. We'll get into one of your favorite warehouses the 114 00:07:29,610 --> 00:07:35,130 six week cycle so. So I guess we'll go ahead and jump into 115 00:07:35,130 --> 00:07:36,000 clip number three. 116 00:07:36,420 --> 00:07:40,350 When I hear people say when you fix ban on one terror, or we 117 00:07:40,350 --> 00:07:44,400 need to make new laws, it's an insult to me, because for some 118 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,670 reason, they found the laws to detain me and accuse me of 119 00:07:47,670 --> 00:07:50,910 terrorism. And these people essentially passed the most 120 00:07:50,910 --> 00:07:56,040 secured building in the country. Just fine. History shows that 121 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,430 have an anti terrorism laws just affect people like myself, 122 00:07:59,820 --> 00:08:02,790 Timothy McVeigh, and Terry Nichols, former Army buddies 123 00:08:02,790 --> 00:08:05,220 with a grudge against the government plan the bombing, 124 00:08:05,460 --> 00:08:10,050 after the Oklahoma City bombing, President Clinton passed the law 125 00:08:10,050 --> 00:08:15,840 given the FBI more power to go after terrorists. The law didn't 126 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,900 go after people that look like the Oklahoma City bomber. 127 00:08:18,930 --> 00:08:22,170 From now on, we can quickly expel foreigners dare to come to 128 00:08:22,170 --> 00:08:24,750 America and support terrorist activities. 129 00:08:25,020 --> 00:08:27,630 The same thing happened with the Columbine shooter, mass 130 00:08:27,630 --> 00:08:31,170 shootings at school were mostly done by white male. But after 131 00:08:31,170 --> 00:08:34,320 the shooting, police presence increase in black and brown 132 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:41,640 schools. I want to call these white supremacists has done the 133 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,960 capital terrorists, but calling them terrorists just gives law 134 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,830 enforcement and other elected officials the ammunition to call 135 00:08:49,830 --> 00:08:53,280 peaceful protesters, terrorists, people that look like me who are 136 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,760 brown, Muslim, black, those are the ones who are going to 137 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,900 actually be punished. We don't need new laws to fill with white 138 00:09:00,900 --> 00:09:04,590 terrorists. The laws are there. Whether you want to apply to 139 00:09:04,590 --> 00:09:05,670 certain people or not. 140 00:09:06,570 --> 00:09:10,170 This is the same young lady. Yes. And how old is she? She's 141 00:09:10,170 --> 00:09:10,800 16? 142 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:15,120 No, she was 16 when they raided her when they did the raid. 143 00:09:15,180 --> 00:09:21,060 Right. I think she's maybe in her mid 20s. Now. 144 00:09:21,690 --> 00:09:26,670 Okay, still? Yeah, I know a lot of mid 20s who don't talk that 145 00:09:26,670 --> 00:09:29,760 to intelligently about these things. Right? Well, 146 00:09:30,180 --> 00:09:34,170 I did a poor setup on the show. So let me rewind back. Like what 147 00:09:34,170 --> 00:09:38,520 is he talking about the Q anon and, okay. There was a recent 148 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:43,560 news that came about with who was in the crowd at the January 149 00:09:43,560 --> 00:09:48,420 6, yes, yeah. Yes. And reported it. That's why I use the clip 150 00:09:48,420 --> 00:09:51,570 from New York. Time to set this up. Yes. And to repeat on 151 00:09:51,570 --> 00:09:56,610 September 18. Recently, that of course, exactly right. So those 152 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:04,230 were those two occurrences. That was the genesis for the show to 153 00:10:04,260 --> 00:10:08,190 lay it out. And I've been saying this, what she stated was, when 154 00:10:08,190 --> 00:10:10,950 you start pointing the finger around, it's gonna get, it's 155 00:10:10,950 --> 00:10:13,560 gonna blow back on everybody, and they're gonna be able to 156 00:10:13,560 --> 00:10:21,120 blame it. Um, blame everybody with that label. And what people 157 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,600 may not know is when they hit you with that label, a lot of 158 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:25,440 your rights go away. 159 00:10:28,290 --> 00:10:29,340 And how that works. Yeah, 160 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:33,690 yeah, so that's, that's why it's a big pet peeve of mine when 161 00:10:33,690 --> 00:10:38,520 people throw that word around. Yeah, um, so loosely. So what we 162 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:43,770 got to do now is, we got to go back to show 31. And I believe 163 00:10:43,770 --> 00:10:51,000 that was bi E. Bay. And we this is a vise clip, and it's talking 164 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,430 about the black identity extremist. 165 00:10:54,660 --> 00:10:58,830 On August 3 2017, the FBI created the black identity 166 00:10:58,830 --> 00:11:03,240 extremists assessment using the Dallas 2016 shooting, and five 167 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,720 other unrelated attacks on police as justification that 168 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:07,920 this movement exists. 169 00:11:08,430 --> 00:11:12,270 Black identity extremists are now considered a domestic terror 170 00:11:12,270 --> 00:11:13,590 threat by the FBI. 171 00:11:14,220 --> 00:11:17,550 According to the FBI assessment, it was very likely that these 172 00:11:17,550 --> 00:11:20,130 terrorists would target law enforcement officers in 173 00:11:20,130 --> 00:11:23,100 retaliation for perceived police violence against African 174 00:11:23,100 --> 00:11:26,940 Americans. Definitely to the assessment classifying the group 175 00:11:26,940 --> 00:11:30,390 as a domestic terror organization, the FBI is able to 176 00:11:30,390 --> 00:11:33,390 justify any invasive surveillance tactics used in 177 00:11:33,390 --> 00:11:35,310 monitoring these targeted individuals. 178 00:11:36,060 --> 00:11:39,150 Yeah, this actually goes back I do need to mention this this 179 00:11:39,150 --> 00:11:45,060 goes back to post 911 actually, I think this happened yeah, 180 00:11:45,060 --> 00:11:50,280 during President Obama's time in office, a National Defense 181 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:54,150 Authorization Act came out and there was this whole definition 182 00:11:54,450 --> 00:11:59,580 of it was it was domestic it wasn't domestic terrorists, but 183 00:11:59,580 --> 00:12:02,940 it was they had all kinds of weird terms and it's really easy 184 00:12:02,940 --> 00:12:07,590 to call anybody that and that meant that they could roast you 185 00:12:07,620 --> 00:12:11,400 know, black black bag and take it to Guantanamo even if they 186 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:11,940 want to 187 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,600 or surveil you any kind of manner manners that kind of 188 00:12:15,870 --> 00:12:20,340 circumvent your rights. And what I find most dangerous is the 189 00:12:20,340 --> 00:12:24,510 label of conspiracy theories you know kind of gets you on that 190 00:12:24,510 --> 00:12:27,510 list which I've always identified myself as a 191 00:12:27,510 --> 00:12:34,440 conspiracy analyst Yes, I don't create a theory for anybody out 192 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,770 there listening I just only analyze them that's right um, we 193 00:12:37,890 --> 00:12:43,770 were very dangerous times. I don't want to be alarmist but 194 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:51,450 now let's just stop Of course just I mean I get every day 15 195 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:55,320 emails from people who because of their government to have to 196 00:12:55,320 --> 00:13:00,390 leave their job you know that by itself forget calling someone a 197 00:13:00,390 --> 00:13:04,320 domestic terrorist. That's the power that is now on the table. 198 00:13:05,220 --> 00:13:06,900 It's out of control. 199 00:13:07,500 --> 00:13:12,990 It definitely is and I can always say it starts with us so 200 00:13:14,850 --> 00:13:17,820 no one stood up and when they was the one that's labor around 201 00:13:17,820 --> 00:13:22,020 now I have some questions about this a gorilla mainframe the 202 00:13:22,020 --> 00:13:28,440 name of it how vice covered it just in the way this whole piece 203 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:32,040 was set up by Vice I found it troubling and please go listen 204 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,010 this episode 31 it was some fascinating things on there 205 00:13:35,010 --> 00:13:40,170 about the the shooters that expired this label down in Baton 206 00:13:40,170 --> 00:13:46,140 Rouge Baton Rouge in Dallas with gang stalking and those kinds of 207 00:13:46,140 --> 00:13:55,500 things um, it is the only thing I can say is this is surreal I 208 00:13:55,500 --> 00:13:58,200 don't think we felt like this and not 11 because it was an 209 00:13:58,680 --> 00:14:01,470 earthen dam kind of thing you know it was like do what you 210 00:14:01,470 --> 00:14:03,600 need to do and no it's partly to blame 211 00:14:03,630 --> 00:14:07,320 now it's us us and our neighbor and what it's could be anybody 212 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,230 that's I think that's the point I mean I I've become very 213 00:14:10,230 --> 00:14:13,530 cynical now. I just think oh this has got to be purposeful 214 00:14:13,530 --> 00:14:15,060 This is not a mistake anymore. 215 00:14:15,420 --> 00:14:19,770 Yeah. And as you said people are losing their jobs every day and 216 00:14:19,770 --> 00:14:23,790 will that inspire people to take action? I don't want to put that 217 00:14:23,790 --> 00:14:27,510 out in the universe but just it definitely can be some weird 218 00:14:27,510 --> 00:14:30,750 things are happening I'm looking at Tennessee I'm still do my 219 00:14:30,750 --> 00:14:36,420 homework on that one, but it's some definite raw material they 220 00:14:36,420 --> 00:14:41,700 can use the lock down even more own question authority. And and 221 00:14:41,700 --> 00:14:44,400 I have a real issue with that because I've been following this 222 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,520 for a long time. So let's go and get to that second throwback 223 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,710 clip from this piece, and we'll move along with the show. 224 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,340 There's this perception that the government promotes that we are 225 00:14:53,340 --> 00:15:00,630 in a stage of critical emergency because of terrorism and Because 226 00:15:00,630 --> 00:15:04,680 they get more power, and in order to retain that power they 227 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:06,660 need to find more terrorists. One of 228 00:15:06,660 --> 00:15:09,540 the most outspoken critics of the black identity extremists 229 00:15:09,540 --> 00:15:13,890 assessment is Michael German, a former FBI agent who did 230 00:15:13,890 --> 00:15:16,590 undercover work on white supremacists and right wing 231 00:15:16,590 --> 00:15:20,550 militias in the 90s. He's now a fellow for the Brennan Center 232 00:15:20,550 --> 00:15:26,100 for Justice. What incentive? Do you believe that the FBI has to 233 00:15:26,250 --> 00:15:28,560 make a label like black identity extremists, 234 00:15:28,650 --> 00:15:32,370 a person cannot be targeted for investigation based solely on 235 00:15:32,370 --> 00:15:36,090 first amendment activity. So by creating this black identity 236 00:15:36,090 --> 00:15:40,950 extremism movement, they can use that as the justification to 237 00:15:40,950 --> 00:15:45,630 then target any activists who were any black person who was 238 00:15:45,630 --> 00:15:51,180 protesting police violence. One of my problems with this kind of 239 00:15:51,180 --> 00:15:55,680 intelligence report is these are six disparate acts of violence, 240 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,920 that they try to mold into a movement. there was really 241 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,040 nothing connecting them except the fact that they killed police 242 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:03,600 officers in the fact that they were black. 243 00:16:05,790 --> 00:16:09,030 First of all, I'm always surprised how I don't even 244 00:16:09,030 --> 00:16:12,150 remember some clips when you go back. 30 episodes like wow, 245 00:16:12,180 --> 00:16:14,700 okay. A lot of them. I do remember this one, I 246 00:16:15,150 --> 00:16:15,630 remember. 247 00:16:16,980 --> 00:16:20,190 Yeah, so that was it. It's just you, we can't just do that if 248 00:16:20,190 --> 00:16:22,800 you're just a single person. But now if we can connect you to a 249 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,950 group and give you a name, now you're talking 250 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:30,030 now now we're cooking and then the scary part about it, because 251 00:16:30,750 --> 00:16:35,700 in our connected world, um, social media and whatnot, they 252 00:16:35,700 --> 00:16:37,920 might look at your fault. I mean, I have a habit of 253 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:44,550 following everybody back that follows me. And could that 254 00:16:44,550 --> 00:16:47,670 possibly be an issue down the road like all he was followed by 255 00:16:47,670 --> 00:16:51,030 so and so so and so let's throw him on a list. Like I said, I 256 00:16:51,030 --> 00:16:55,020 find it very troubling. But this is nothing new to me. I'm 257 00:16:55,740 --> 00:16:58,590 previous to your show. Okay. When I used to listen, when I 258 00:16:58,590 --> 00:17:02,790 first listened, no agenda now. Now we can discuss the six week 259 00:17:02,790 --> 00:17:08,490 cycle. Okay, yes, we use when we use, Bert, you and john first 260 00:17:08,490 --> 00:17:11,130 started talking about that. It was not when you first start 261 00:17:11,130 --> 00:17:13,680 talking about when I first heard about it. I was like, Oh, yeah, 262 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,470 that's like the Newburgh thing. Right. Have you ever heard of 263 00:17:16,470 --> 00:17:17,520 the Newburgh thing? 264 00:17:17,970 --> 00:17:20,610 No, I don't think so. What is it? Oh, well. 265 00:17:23,940 --> 00:17:27,900 It's gonna be a perfect example what the six week cycle is, it 266 00:17:27,900 --> 00:17:32,610 was an HBO documentary on homegrown terrorist. So I saw 267 00:17:32,610 --> 00:17:38,190 this may be 2000. And I want to say 2000 single digits. I can't 268 00:17:38,190 --> 00:17:41,490 remember the year exactly when I saw it. But I was like, it blew 269 00:17:41,490 --> 00:17:44,820 it blew my mind because I was like, wow, like, I mean, you. We 270 00:17:44,820 --> 00:17:46,230 know these things. We know she'll, 271 00:17:46,230 --> 00:17:49,290 she'll explain that the six week cycle real quickly, please. Yes. 272 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,710 So the six week cycle was told to was conveyed to me by 273 00:17:52,710 --> 00:17:56,670 someone, let's just say intimate with the, with the FBI, 274 00:17:56,970 --> 00:18:01,830 certainly with the Dallas Bureau. And the the basic 275 00:18:01,830 --> 00:18:06,870 concept is, the FBI for quite a while, every six weeks had to 276 00:18:06,870 --> 00:18:10,740 have some kind of event taking place to justify their entire 277 00:18:10,740 --> 00:18:13,980 means for existence. And that is, it appears that's a lot of 278 00:18:13,980 --> 00:18:17,880 what they do. And if you read the affidavits, every single 279 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:22,500 time there's some bozo who want to blow something up. It turns 280 00:18:22,500 --> 00:18:26,580 out that the FBI was talking to this person, either through a 281 00:18:26,580 --> 00:18:31,050 confidential informant or themselves for a year setting 282 00:18:31,050 --> 00:18:34,950 them up, you know, egging them on text messaging, oh, you know, 283 00:18:35,130 --> 00:18:37,290 wouldn't you want to blow something up, and then they help 284 00:18:37,290 --> 00:18:40,590 them out, get weaponry, and then they give them the van and they 285 00:18:40,590 --> 00:18:42,900 put help them put the stuff in the truck, and they give him a 286 00:18:42,900 --> 00:18:45,540 bogus remote control and doesn't work and they arrest him, and 287 00:18:45,540 --> 00:18:49,320 then they've saved the day. And then six weeks from now, rinse, 288 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:54,000 repeat, and do it all over again. And that is the case with 289 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:58,830 so many of the FBI, big announcements. It's like, What 290 00:18:58,830 --> 00:19:00,990 are you talking about? You guys totally set that up. 291 00:19:02,130 --> 00:19:04,410 And let's humanize the FBI right quick. So, 292 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,100 okay, that's hard. That's hard. That's hard. Okay. 293 00:19:08,190 --> 00:19:10,740 There's no reason why I'm saying they say they're acting in good 294 00:19:10,740 --> 00:19:14,280 faith. We say, well, we have a gut feeling that these people 295 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:18,540 are bad. So before they do something bad, let's be 296 00:19:18,540 --> 00:19:23,760 proactive now and walk them into a trap. I still don't agree with 297 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:28,140 that. Because as we said in The Cosby Show, if you violate 298 00:19:28,140 --> 00:19:32,820 someone's rights, even if it's beneficial to me, that's not a 299 00:19:32,820 --> 00:19:33,330 win. 300 00:19:33,900 --> 00:19:36,900 Oh, no, no, I mean, it's disgusting, because instead what 301 00:19:36,900 --> 00:19:39,870 they should be doing is saying, hey, son, you seem a little 302 00:19:39,870 --> 00:19:42,870 radicalized. You know, cut that shit out. Maybe you should talk 303 00:19:42,870 --> 00:19:46,530 to somebody, we've got our eye on you. Instead, they absolutely 304 00:19:46,530 --> 00:19:49,890 egg them on. It's one of the most disgusting things and no 305 00:19:49,890 --> 00:19:53,100 one ever discusses it. I guess mainstream never looked at the 306 00:19:53,100 --> 00:19:54,870 affidavits. I mean, it's all there. 307 00:19:55,710 --> 00:19:59,670 We'll get your barf bag and going all right. 308 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,720 Welcome back. A new documentary premiered on HBO this week 309 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,990 called the Newburgh sting. Now it focuses on the FBI 310 00:20:06,990 --> 00:20:11,070 investigation and conviction of four men from Newburgh, New York 311 00:20:11,070 --> 00:20:15,210 for plotting an act of domestic terrorism but was this thing 312 00:20:15,210 --> 00:20:18,930 really a setup and were the men more guilty of simple greed and 313 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:22,500 idiocy than actual terrorism? Now I spoke with CO director 314 00:20:22,620 --> 00:20:26,700 David heilbroner about his findings. I remember covering 315 00:20:26,700 --> 00:20:29,580 this story at the time and I remember what seemed to be an 316 00:20:29,580 --> 00:20:33,000 endless amount of squad cars, the SWAT teams the aerial 317 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,930 footage and at the time, it was Exhibit A and busting up a 318 00:20:36,930 --> 00:20:41,670 terror ring and no politician within an area code couldn't 319 00:20:41,670 --> 00:20:44,310 afford to get in front of the cameras to talk about how they 320 00:20:44,310 --> 00:20:47,040 just busted up an imminent threat at the time but the more 321 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,590 you read into it I remember at the time you starting to say 322 00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:52,890 yourself Wait a second. What is the game that could shoot 323 00:20:52,890 --> 00:20:56,340 straight now you look at it exactly. 324 00:20:57,090 --> 00:20:59,100 Wait a minute what those the guys who couldn't do anything? 325 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:04,170 Yeah. So when I heard you first mentioned this on the show, 326 00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:07,440 yeah. This is what popped into my head and new Berg's thing and 327 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:15,330 it was right exactly so even more to the no agenda show but 328 00:21:16,500 --> 00:21:22,800 it's what we see now. A lot of those people at one six I know 329 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,500 people I know right now people are rolling their eyes like why 330 00:21:25,500 --> 00:21:29,940 is he trying to humanize because it's gonna happen to both sides 331 00:21:29,940 --> 00:21:33,690 these things don't happen in a vacuum is gonna happen we saw 332 00:21:33,690 --> 00:21:38,310 Black Eyed bi E's came first. Now is why identity extremists 333 00:21:38,340 --> 00:21:42,060 deviant deviant What does that stand for? 334 00:21:42,210 --> 00:21:43,890 domestic violent extremist. 335 00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:49,080 Okay, so as a Friday just go out and go all out for the white 336 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:50,520 army but that will probably be 337 00:21:50,550 --> 00:21:55,890 well it'll be it's just it's implied now. DVE is implied to 338 00:21:55,890 --> 00:21:56,880 be white. 339 00:21:58,380 --> 00:22:01,500 That's interesting. I didn't go out for full hog on that one. 340 00:22:01,530 --> 00:22:02,100 I'm 341 00:22:02,610 --> 00:22:05,130 not yet there's always there's always this time left I'm sure. 342 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:09,600 Well, domestic opens up I mean, domestic opens up to any 343 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:14,100 nationalists. Yeah. So I mean, no matter no matter of race. Um, 344 00:22:14,490 --> 00:22:17,820 so I guess that's why they went that route, but soon there's 345 00:22:17,820 --> 00:22:20,910 gonna be medical extremists. Us and there's gonna be no 346 00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:24,060 religious extremists. Those kinds of things. So 347 00:22:24,090 --> 00:22:27,210 well, we already have anti vaxxers. Which, yeah, sure. 348 00:22:27,210 --> 00:22:30,510 There's some real people who are absolutely anti vaxxers. But 349 00:22:30,510 --> 00:22:34,470 people who just don't want this vaccination doesn't mean they're 350 00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:38,010 anti Vax. But that's, I mean, our president is saying that our 351 00:22:38,010 --> 00:22:40,800 Vice President is saying that it's the same it's the same 352 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,180 thing, it's just as bad. 353 00:22:42,750 --> 00:22:45,600 And it's two problems I have with that one. It's not a 354 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:54,150 vaccine. So every time we say that, it it irks me, too. I 355 00:22:54,150 --> 00:22:57,270 can't be anti vaccine if my kids got their school that's two 356 00:22:57,270 --> 00:23:03,060 shots. So I mean that that in itself is a problem right? Three 357 00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:10,530 well I said two things but the third one is your your natural 358 00:23:10,530 --> 00:23:14,700 immunity. Exactly. If I have natural immunity, that it made 359 00:23:14,700 --> 00:23:17,790 me any vaccine that just thinks my body is superior to something 360 00:23:17,820 --> 00:23:20,070 or something that drug company can give me but I don't want to 361 00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:23,250 get on a tangent but I'm just saying this is a very dangerous 362 00:23:23,250 --> 00:23:30,540 slope is except the group thing. Or you know, get ran over but 363 00:23:30,750 --> 00:23:33,960 let me get to my issue of binary thinking before we continue on 364 00:23:34,020 --> 00:23:37,890 okay. I think this is how they programmed society. You're a 365 00:23:37,890 --> 00:23:42,810 computer whiz um, you program computers with ones and zeros? 366 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:47,520 Yeah. They need people own binary Are you pro there sir? 367 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:51,810 anti this you know if that's it, there's no nuance there's no 368 00:23:51,810 --> 00:23:54,720 room for any Yeah, it's Black Widow grants black, 369 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,620 white, red, blue, pro anti right, 370 00:23:58,740 --> 00:24:03,900 that their programming society. And to do that you they can't 371 00:24:03,900 --> 00:24:08,280 have you come and have a nuanced conversation, because that gets 372 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:09,630 into fuzzy logic. Yeah, no 373 00:24:09,629 --> 00:24:12,809 haves no have Z's or anything like that. You can't do that. No 374 00:24:12,809 --> 00:24:13,829 decimal points. 375 00:24:14,250 --> 00:24:18,180 Of course not. Because you know why? And when we're gonna go, 376 00:24:18,210 --> 00:24:22,980 we're gonna go there early today. If you're trying to 377 00:24:22,980 --> 00:24:27,330 automate everything, computers can't handle that AI can't 378 00:24:27,330 --> 00:24:31,590 handle that. They need you to be binary so they can replace you. 379 00:24:34,590 --> 00:24:36,030 I'm gonna say that again. Yeah, 380 00:24:36,030 --> 00:24:37,800 roll that by me one more time. 381 00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:42,750 They need you to be binaries so they can replace you. I computer 382 00:24:42,750 --> 00:24:46,530 struggles with nuance. That's why AI is so far behind the 383 00:24:46,530 --> 00:24:49,440 human mind. It's because the human mind can look at something 384 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:53,700 and see shades of gray. They need us to be ones and zeros. So 385 00:24:53,700 --> 00:24:57,270 that that point will become this is this is when we merge with 386 00:24:57,270 --> 00:25:01,110 machines. When we lose that ability logic, 387 00:25:01,710 --> 00:25:06,750 let me just know a little bit of conspiracy therapy on both of us 388 00:25:06,750 --> 00:25:11,430 here. Okay. Have you seen the Spartacus letter? No, I haven't. 389 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,090 The Spartacus letter went out yesterday. It's a PDF. I think 390 00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:18,450 the PDF is already deleted from the Google Drive or whatever. 391 00:25:18,450 --> 00:25:21,450 But it's posted everywhere. And it's a group of people and they 392 00:25:21,450 --> 00:25:24,300 lay out and there's like, We're a group, you know, we're 393 00:25:24,300 --> 00:25:28,350 doctors, all this stuff. I think they're also clearly lawyers. 394 00:25:28,770 --> 00:25:31,980 And you just call a Spartacus and we're so sick and tired of 395 00:25:31,980 --> 00:25:35,580 this. And they in this whole thing runs down everything about 396 00:25:35,580 --> 00:25:39,270 the flu, about the lab, but but really detailed, and I know 397 00:25:39,270 --> 00:25:42,870 enough about the the non technical medical stuff, and 398 00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:45,630 I've read enough of the medical stuff that you know, it's 399 00:25:45,630 --> 00:25:48,690 obviously serious, and you know, I can only debunk what I know, 400 00:25:48,690 --> 00:25:53,340 but at a certain point, they talk about the gain of function 401 00:25:53,340 --> 00:25:57,360 research, because actually, this paper says the vaccine and the 402 00:25:57,360 --> 00:26:05,910 virus were created by the same people. And the Peter it was eco 403 00:26:05,910 --> 00:26:08,550 Health Alliance, or whatever, Peter datsik. And they hired 404 00:26:08,550 --> 00:26:16,530 some other mofos. Bottom line is that guy who was responsible for 405 00:26:16,530 --> 00:26:22,830 a large part of the mRNA vaccine for Madonna or bio and tech, he, 406 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,390 he is deeply involved with another company, which is 407 00:26:27,420 --> 00:26:31,620 literally interfacing wire electrodes onto the brain, the 408 00:26:31,620 --> 00:26:34,560 same stuff Ilan Musk is doing only I think these guys are 409 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:35,640 actually a little bit further, 410 00:26:36,060 --> 00:26:39,150 right. So instead of stepping up their technology they dumbed 411 00:26:39,150 --> 00:26:42,000 down to human to binary decisions or or prepared 412 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,670 prepared the human with an interface. I mean, if it's true, 413 00:26:44,670 --> 00:26:47,220 some of the stuff I've been reading, if any of that is true, 414 00:26:47,220 --> 00:26:50,340 like the graphene oxide, I mean, it sounds like a huge conspiracy 415 00:26:50,340 --> 00:26:53,010 theory, everybody. But you know, you know what, 416 00:26:53,580 --> 00:26:57,480 if you want to merge a human brain computer, it's only two 417 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,550 choices, the way they communicate with each other. 418 00:26:59,970 --> 00:27:00,510 Well, I know, 419 00:27:01,830 --> 00:27:05,460 hold on, unless it's quantum. If it's quantum that changes, but 420 00:27:05,490 --> 00:27:08,580 that's neither here nor there. Your point is binary is 421 00:27:08,580 --> 00:27:15,000 easier. It's easy to make people dumber. smarter. That's what 422 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,090 they're banking on. It's like, Oh, yeah, you're saying it's 423 00:27:18,090 --> 00:27:22,320 dumbed down the human brain to binary ones and zeros. And then 424 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,200 when we merge them with computers, or I mean, we're not 425 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,410 what I'm saying merging with computers. That's even nudging 426 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,320 I'm not even I'm not even talking to the to the whole 427 00:27:32,250 --> 00:27:35,670 transhumanism thing yet. I'm just saying when you want to 428 00:27:35,670 --> 00:27:39,660 control society, is making notice the things that give us 429 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,350 Do you watch the back of your dish? Or no? Do you know do you 430 00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:47,100 wash your legs? Or no, I mean, local news is full of these Yes. 431 00:27:47,100 --> 00:27:50,610 And no poll questions, right? That, you know, that are 432 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:55,260 programming us to thinking yes or no circumstances and not 433 00:27:55,260 --> 00:27:58,290 like, Well, let me let me think about it for a minute. Well, it 434 00:27:58,290 --> 00:28:01,020 can be nuanced that conversate No, no, they don't want that. 435 00:28:01,020 --> 00:28:05,880 But we'll be here for all night, if that's what this is. This is 436 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,300 the premise of this show, is to combat against binary thinking, 437 00:28:09,300 --> 00:28:11,970 and we're going somewhere. But let's get back to the new birth 438 00:28:11,970 --> 00:28:12,510 thing to 439 00:28:12,810 --> 00:28:17,130 now you look at it in this film, and I want to play the first 440 00:28:17,130 --> 00:28:20,790 clip about what the original intentions of the group were. 441 00:28:20,790 --> 00:28:25,230 And then you can give us some context on if this clip is again 442 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,290 from some of the participants early on in the process, and 443 00:28:28,290 --> 00:28:32,280 just how far they were willing to go at that point. Let's play 444 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:32,940 the first clip. 445 00:28:37,380 --> 00:28:41,490 David Williams comes in. And Shahad Hussain says, Let's go to 446 00:28:41,490 --> 00:28:43,560 the airport at Stewart Air Force Base. So they drive up to the 447 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:47,040 airport and they look at the planes stood Air Force Base is 448 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,010 the base that sends your National Guard and National 449 00:28:50,010 --> 00:28:54,840 Guard troops at the time over to Iraq and Afghanistan. And Shahad 450 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,980 Hussein says we should blow up one of these. How do you blow up 451 00:28:58,980 --> 00:29:01,560 one of these? Well, I can get you a message help 452 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,580 us out give a little context. The informant that we're tying 453 00:29:05,580 --> 00:29:10,590 Mr. sain here, he went out of his way to recruit these guys 454 00:29:10,650 --> 00:29:13,920 give an idea if you could for our audience where he found them 455 00:29:14,130 --> 00:29:18,090 and how this quickly began an idea of Alright, let's try and 456 00:29:18,090 --> 00:29:21,090 destroy property into obviously what we saw on that arrest of 457 00:29:21,300 --> 00:29:22,530 may 2009. 458 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,280 sure of it. Let me set the scene right off the bat, which is this 459 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,410 took place in the town of Newburgh, New York, and I don't 460 00:29:28,410 --> 00:29:30,330 know how many of your viewers know Newberg, but it's an 461 00:29:30,330 --> 00:29:35,130 impoverished town. Probably 30% unemployment. Most of the houses 462 00:29:35,130 --> 00:29:37,950 are boarded up. It's someone once referred to as Camden, New 463 00:29:37,950 --> 00:29:43,080 Jersey on the Hudson. And into this destitute community comes a 464 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,440 man who's on the FBI payroll, who's on the lam. He himself is 465 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,820 on the lam from committing fraud at a DMV office in Albany, and 466 00:29:50,820 --> 00:29:53,730 the FBI says to him if you can bring us terrorists. Yeah, we'll 467 00:29:53,730 --> 00:29:55,770 pay you and if you can get convictions, we'll give you a 468 00:29:55,770 --> 00:29:56,190 bonus. 469 00:29:56,310 --> 00:30:00,330 Oh, there you go. This guy man. This guy's a great this bring it 470 00:30:00,330 --> 00:30:00,660 bring them 471 00:30:00,660 --> 00:30:06,240 on in you can refer a friend to terrorism and you get 50 bucks I 472 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,710 mean what a bargain but reason why I'm bringing people like why 473 00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:15,570 are you going back because we all were victim to this around 474 00:30:15,570 --> 00:30:18,540 911 it's like go kill brown people yeah they crashed our 475 00:30:18,540 --> 00:30:22,980 buildings no I mean nobody stood up because we were given a 476 00:30:22,980 --> 00:30:26,370 binary decision right either if you question you're not a 477 00:30:26,370 --> 00:30:29,280 patriot that was the key thing that you're not a patriot you're 478 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,640 not a patriot right you know and you people were scared to even 479 00:30:32,670 --> 00:30:35,850 like why are we in Iraq if all you're you're not a patriot? Are 480 00:30:35,850 --> 00:30:42,330 you one of them? And that's we were there and everybody got 481 00:30:42,330 --> 00:30:46,650 caught up in nobody and when I say everybody I mean the people 482 00:30:46,650 --> 00:30:53,040 that had a voice to stand up um you saw all the you know, yeah, 483 00:30:53,220 --> 00:30:56,250 that's when the jet started flying over football stadiums 484 00:30:56,250 --> 00:31:00,210 and Oh yeah, we became this militaristic you know juggernaut 485 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,320 well we kind of already who were a militaristic juggernaut but oh 486 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:10,920 yeah and but it was also I've been around long enough that's 487 00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:15,360 that's how America tries to heal and and I think that was the 488 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,080 last time that will ever ever work and it didn't really work 489 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,600 that long either you know there's so much coming out 490 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:28,140 people remember the all the lies and it's in an odd way you know 491 00:31:28,140 --> 00:31:31,740 yeah it's good because we have to recognize what the truth is 492 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:38,520 but you know it's so uniquely American The bombs bursting in 493 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,840 air the jets flying by you know salute our troops it's it's 494 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,540 that's the that's the psychosis of our culture 495 00:31:47,070 --> 00:31:50,040 well we didn't have a we didn't have a real enemy then though 496 00:31:50,610 --> 00:31:53,610 that's what I'm what are we try No no no we're happy 497 00:31:53,790 --> 00:31:57,240 yeah we were still still vibing on World War Two I mean let's 498 00:31:57,270 --> 00:32:00,780 let's not let's overlook Vietnam etc let's not take a look at 499 00:32:00,780 --> 00:32:02,130 anything that happened there Korean War 500 00:32:02,580 --> 00:32:07,260 yeah cuz that was that was not a voluntary war for a lot of 501 00:32:07,260 --> 00:32:11,070 people to fall in so that's that's why it's kind of I mean 502 00:32:11,070 --> 00:32:14,370 that's kind of tainted Vietnam warriors for you know America 503 00:32:14,370 --> 00:32:17,580 we also we also didn't win anything we sucked everybody 504 00:32:17,580 --> 00:32:21,360 lost in that the world war two at least we could claim victory 505 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,360 and you know, we save the world and you know, Hey, no problem 506 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,700 world. We're cool is we're America. 507 00:32:27,210 --> 00:32:31,740 And then the first day the storm was over so fast. Um, yeah. We 508 00:32:31,740 --> 00:32:35,730 had to create like the, like the generals for the Harlem 509 00:32:35,730 --> 00:32:41,850 Globetrotters. Right. You know, okay. Yeah, that's what 510 00:32:41,850 --> 00:32:46,770 happened. And we all got caught up in it. Seriously in this, 511 00:32:47,010 --> 00:32:49,980 remember the yellow ribbons and those kind of things, and it's, 512 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,050 and there's nothing against the truth. And that's not what I'm 513 00:32:52,050 --> 00:32:56,340 saying. What I'm saying is we got caught up in revenge, and 514 00:32:56,340 --> 00:33:00,450 somebody had to pay and somebody had to be to blame that when 515 00:33:00,450 --> 00:33:04,020 things like the Newberg thing happened. Nobody questioned it. 516 00:33:04,170 --> 00:33:06,990 Um, it was Oh, yeah, they're all Mandy right at home. They're 517 00:33:06,990 --> 00:33:10,380 right there right next door. Yeah, you know, I'll get Give, 518 00:33:10,380 --> 00:33:14,760 give her apparatus more money. And we're more power. And now 519 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,040 what I'm saying is, I'm drawing a parallel to what's going on 520 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:25,740 now. Will you look at what happened January 6. Trust me, 521 00:33:26,220 --> 00:33:30,000 it's, it's a it's a threat to be worried about, and they weren't 522 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,860 in there that day. I'm just gonna say it like, 523 00:33:32,250 --> 00:33:38,070 Oh, absolutely. I mean, the I don't know if I'm moving ahead 524 00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:41,520 of anything. But now the leader of the oathkeepers. He's not 525 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,430 even named in any indictment. He's just person number one, 526 00:33:44,430 --> 00:33:47,610 even though he clearly should be indicted along with everybody 527 00:33:47,610 --> 00:33:53,130 else under the same, you know, equal, equal handling. And he's 528 00:33:53,130 --> 00:33:57,060 not, you know, and the FBI is even as far as I know, I've even 529 00:33:57,090 --> 00:34:00,270 admitted that. Well, you know, there was at least 12, maybe 530 00:34:00,270 --> 00:34:04,110 more. We're not going to prosecute anybody over there 531 00:34:04,110 --> 00:34:06,540 from that group, just in case, you know, turns out bad that it 532 00:34:06,540 --> 00:34:10,800 was FBI and yeah, there's all kinds of this. There's a lot of 533 00:34:10,860 --> 00:34:15,330 circumstantial and video evidence of the FBI being 534 00:34:18,270 --> 00:34:19,800 Anjouan provocateurs, 535 00:34:20,340 --> 00:34:23,190 and this wouldn't have been a show, but I think you said a 536 00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:26,310 September 18 I don't remember the date. The one that happened 537 00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:30,810 recently. Yeah, yeah. That means immediate frustration with the 538 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,400 show up with me got to the point is like he got to the point 539 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,370 where, oh, y'all are scared, huh? Yeah, y'all are scared. Oh, 540 00:34:38,370 --> 00:34:41,850 yeah. No, like, you know how you bully try to provoke you. It's 541 00:34:41,850 --> 00:34:43,740 like, Oh, yeah, you're scared to come out of your house, you 542 00:34:43,740 --> 00:34:46,560 know, that kind of thing. So they were the media was really 543 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,890 aggravated that nobody showed up. And the one guy that got 544 00:34:49,890 --> 00:34:51,540 arrested, was 545 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,010 he had a gun in his back. Did you see the picture of like 546 00:34:56,010 --> 00:34:59,190 those five guys standing around all dressed identical, same 547 00:34:59,190 --> 00:35:02,610 hair. You know, obvious bulge in their pants where they got a 548 00:35:02,610 --> 00:35:06,780 small Glock, who told him total left his same watches Oh, Okay 549 00:35:06,780 --> 00:35:07,350 boys. 550 00:35:08,519 --> 00:35:11,279 And we've seen the same thing in Afghanistan I saw a picture that 551 00:35:11,279 --> 00:35:14,819 with, it was like three guys walking in like one guy had 552 00:35:14,819 --> 00:35:17,519 perfect trigger or winch control. And like, 553 00:35:18,089 --> 00:35:20,609 the new Taliban Yeah, the new Taliban is all indexing 554 00:35:20,609 --> 00:35:23,129 properly. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's the new guys. They know how to 555 00:35:23,129 --> 00:35:25,799 do it all of a sudden, you know, it's it's didn't take much 556 00:35:25,799 --> 00:35:27,779 training, they just figured it out. Good to go. 557 00:35:28,289 --> 00:35:31,109 So I'm just saying we're seeing all this but I think that people 558 00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:33,959 are wising up to it. And it's frustrating the media because 559 00:35:33,959 --> 00:35:38,759 they don't have the power that they used to. Because if you had 560 00:35:38,759 --> 00:35:42,209 to alternate and I hate that word with the media, or the 561 00:35:42,209 --> 00:35:46,469 alternative media or not mainstream media, then it would 562 00:35:46,469 --> 00:35:51,239 be quickly called out. Oh, yeah. But they're being derailed by 563 00:35:51,269 --> 00:35:54,479 another narrative, and they're throwing a tantrum, which 564 00:35:54,479 --> 00:35:58,439 worries me that worries me more than anything because when they 565 00:35:58,439 --> 00:36:02,729 start to throw attention is very problematic. So I guess we can 566 00:36:02,729 --> 00:36:05,009 get to the third new neuberg clip. 567 00:36:05,700 --> 00:36:08,100 So this man is Shahid Hussain, and he comes to Newburgh, 568 00:36:08,220 --> 00:36:11,250 looking for terrorists, and he spends months hanging out at the 569 00:36:11,250 --> 00:36:14,730 local mosque not finding any buddy. Until one day he crosses 570 00:36:14,730 --> 00:36:20,130 the path of the local blowhard. James comedy comedy is a low 571 00:36:20,130 --> 00:36:23,910 level marijuana dealer whose only means of employment is he's 572 00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:28,560 a night clerk at Walmart makes about $14,000 a year and 573 00:36:28,770 --> 00:36:31,020 probably will say anything crummy brag to your head, you 574 00:36:31,020 --> 00:36:33,420 sane about blowing up police stations, he bragged about 575 00:36:33,420 --> 00:36:36,030 committing murders, none of which he did if the FBI had 576 00:36:36,030 --> 00:36:40,020 bothered to check, they would see that the guy is just you 577 00:36:40,020 --> 00:36:42,450 know, he's like Jackie Gleason from The Honeymooners. If that 578 00:36:42,450 --> 00:36:45,750 needs to be a little bit, but he's a big talker, but she hated 579 00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:48,660 saying, hey, I've got someone who might actually go along with 580 00:36:48,660 --> 00:36:52,860 us. So Hussein pursues comedy for months and says we need more 581 00:36:52,860 --> 00:36:55,440 people. We need more bodies. Come on, let's get a conspiracy 582 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,310 going. Crowley can't find anybody. And Hussein eventually 583 00:36:59,310 --> 00:37:02,790 when comedy just crapped out on him nothing nothing seems to be 584 00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:06,540 happening. Hussein says listen I can get you $250,000 we can take 585 00:37:06,540 --> 00:37:09,210 trips all over the country when this is done I can get you cars 586 00:37:09,210 --> 00:37:12,180 I can buy you a barbershop. You know, James Crombie all of a 587 00:37:12,180 --> 00:37:16,290 sudden gets really interested and brings in three guys from 588 00:37:16,290 --> 00:37:16,830 New burns. 589 00:37:17,099 --> 00:37:22,739 First of all 250 grand usually informants are authorized up to 590 00:37:22,739 --> 00:37:27,239 $5,000 so how all of a sudden you know he did multiple 50 591 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,969 times this I guess is part of the question he said that was 592 00:37:29,969 --> 00:37:32,789 code I never figured that one out throughout the process but 593 00:37:33,059 --> 00:37:36,689 it also turns out that Hussein didn't record everything so at 594 00:37:36,689 --> 00:37:40,619 the end of the day those blanks in this really have to be filled 595 00:37:40,619 --> 00:37:43,799 in by the Fed so in effect take Hussein's word for it 596 00:37:44,490 --> 00:37:47,850 I can't believe I missed this whole thing never heard of this 597 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,280 Oh, and I forgot to tell you they were all black guys. 598 00:37:50,879 --> 00:37:53,369 Oh no, I think I figured that of course you know, 599 00:37:53,789 --> 00:37:57,989 I'm saying so but that's that's the weird thing about it was it 600 00:37:57,989 --> 00:38:00,659 didn't get the media coverage at all I think it was I think it 601 00:38:00,659 --> 00:38:05,699 was so poorly put together that they were like take our wind and 602 00:38:05,699 --> 00:38:06,179 go home 603 00:38:06,180 --> 00:38:09,450 I was like hey, we need a conspiracy here let's cook one 604 00:38:09,450 --> 00:38:10,560 up brother's got to do it. 605 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:16,110 So it's just fascinating that like I said, You're you you blew 606 00:38:16,110 --> 00:38:19,230 my mind when I first heard about six weeks ago but I hadn't knew 607 00:38:19,230 --> 00:38:23,370 about this story and I knew about past history that we're 608 00:38:23,370 --> 00:38:27,570 going to get into a little later of events like this happening 609 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:35,250 that issues if a man is a scary what it is that you can go into 610 00:38:35,250 --> 00:38:38,370 poor neighborhoods and throw around a quarter million dollars 611 00:38:38,370 --> 00:38:42,060 to a god it makes $14,000 a year and you don't think he's going 612 00:38:42,060 --> 00:38:45,930 to bite on it even if even if he's a teaches a lie. I was 613 00:38:45,930 --> 00:38:48,480 gonna say what you got me. You got me. 614 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,810 It's better than podcasting. I mean, come on. It's like, yeah, 615 00:38:51,810 --> 00:38:53,310 you get anyone's attention. 616 00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:59,070 It's amazing. So what now we're going to go over to the Muslim 617 00:38:59,070 --> 00:39:03,570 Public Affairs Council the impact and make they do their 618 00:39:03,570 --> 00:39:05,460 own coverage on the Newburgh thing. 619 00:39:05,700 --> 00:39:09,300 We have breaking news the FBI says it has thwarted a terror 620 00:39:09,300 --> 00:39:10,170 plot we 621 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:15,030 targeted for individuals that planned and scheme to bomb to 622 00:39:15,390 --> 00:39:18,840 Jewish facilities here in the Bronx, and also to take down 623 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:23,670 military aircraft of at the Stewart airport. They stated 624 00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:24,450 that they 625 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,240 wanted to commit jihad. Prosecutors described the 626 00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:30,510 suspects as extremely violent men who embraced every 627 00:39:30,510 --> 00:39:33,240 opportunity for terrorism. Investigators say the four 628 00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:36,420 Muslim men met in prison and hatch the terrorist plot at a 629 00:39:36,420 --> 00:39:37,080 local mosque. 630 00:39:37,140 --> 00:39:39,480 I remember he was sitting right over here on that side, and 631 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:43,770 there was a chip on the table here. And he made his statements 632 00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:48,300 that a woman should not be seen or heard. And it was just like, 633 00:39:48,300 --> 00:39:51,030 Is this how he introduced yourself to us? He's gonna tell 634 00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:52,920 us women should be you should not be seen or heard. 635 00:39:54,420 --> 00:39:59,970 You would ask about jihad. you'd ask about a holy war. I did tell 636 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,720 different individuals assess stay the hell away from him. 637 00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:05,190 Somebody write about it. 638 00:40:05,700 --> 00:40:09,690 He hung around long enough to be able to get somebody to buy and 639 00:40:09,690 --> 00:40:10,440 test by 640 00:40:12,990 --> 00:40:17,610 someone like Mr. Cromartie who had spent his entire life in 641 00:40:17,610 --> 00:40:22,140 poverty, trying to support himself as a very low level 642 00:40:22,140 --> 00:40:28,620 marijuana dealer, Mr. shakey who's saying well that was a 643 00:40:28,620 --> 00:40:31,110 very big thing to him 644 00:40:31,230 --> 00:40:35,280 it was crazy all these different news media started converging 645 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,520 onto the property and automatically I knew it was 646 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:45,120 manufactured I was the first one to say that this was entrapment 647 00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:48,390 wow this is good 648 00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:52,650 and as the media they said the media is working hand in hand 649 00:40:52,650 --> 00:40:56,130 with these letter are these letter a three letter agencies 650 00:40:56,220 --> 00:40:59,040 three letter three letter agencies they're they're a you 651 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,430 want a good story you want to scoop? Meet me down in Newburgh. 652 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:10,860 Roger stone, when you're in Florida, they raided his house 653 00:41:10,860 --> 00:41:13,500 at five in the morning. And they called CNN. 654 00:41:15,630 --> 00:41:18,540 And that's the that was the point I made about Cosby as 655 00:41:18,540 --> 00:41:22,140 well, that when they want to make a statement and through the 656 00:41:22,140 --> 00:41:27,630 media, these organizations work together. Oh, yeah, I'm one if 657 00:41:27,630 --> 00:41:30,990 you make you make an enemy, then I can report on it. So it's 658 00:41:30,990 --> 00:41:35,790 always a it's mutually beneficial to both parties. You 659 00:41:35,790 --> 00:41:39,600 get the scoop, you know, if it bleeds, it leads, and I get to I 660 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,920 get to feed the machine. The fear machine that know begets 661 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:52,200 more fear. And I think it's I said that if it's going on now 662 00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:59,820 then it has to be going on now. And some dupes are out there. 663 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:06,120 Right as we speak, getting duped again. Yeah, getting duped. 664 00:42:06,510 --> 00:42:06,990 Yeah. 665 00:42:07,020 --> 00:42:10,620 And what it also does is it makes people fear to assemble, 666 00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:15,000 including myself. I would love to intermingle with people. But 667 00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:18,840 as you know, you're saying I don't do groups? I don't I'm 668 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:24,300 because I am smart enough or paranoid enough which share what 669 00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:29,580 you want to put it. That I know, all it takes is a snapshot with 670 00:42:29,580 --> 00:42:32,790 your arm around somebody or the arm around you. That's all it 671 00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:36,570 takes. And and they can build a story or narrative off of that 672 00:42:36,570 --> 00:42:39,630 image. Like oh, look at them, you know, look at Oh, look at 673 00:42:39,630 --> 00:42:43,380 this guy look no mo facts with this guy over here. And I don't 674 00:42:43,380 --> 00:42:48,240 know him from a campaign. But there you have it, you know, and 675 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,530 you shouldn't have to live like that. But this is the you know, 676 00:42:52,530 --> 00:42:54,360 the oppression of fear. 677 00:42:55,470 --> 00:42:59,340 Yeah, and it's and you're right, it's for everybody. The color 678 00:42:59,340 --> 00:43:04,590 doesn't mean much. Although DVDs, man, it's really white 679 00:43:04,590 --> 00:43:08,700 guys. There's no black people there. Well, 680 00:43:08,730 --> 00:43:10,830 you know, I'm gonna say it like this, if they can make Larry 681 00:43:10,860 --> 00:43:13,080 elder white, a white supremacist. Yeah. 682 00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:18,210 He was he was the black face of white supremacy. That was the 683 00:43:18,210 --> 00:43:20,130 line now beautiful. How 684 00:43:22,290 --> 00:43:24,960 if I can do that, and then medius report that with a 685 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,330 straight face. And like I said, I have my issue with someone who 686 00:43:27,330 --> 00:43:32,850 takes very elder has, but if they can read it, they can make 687 00:43:32,850 --> 00:43:40,020 people believe that they can easily make you into D DVE. So 688 00:43:40,350 --> 00:43:44,550 let's get into the final clip from the impact. The government 689 00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:48,990 made this movie and I believe, except I know how the movies 690 00:43:48,990 --> 00:43:54,690 made. The arrest itself was a well staged event, I think 691 00:43:54,690 --> 00:43:58,650 Hollywood would have been quite proud. Everything was designed 692 00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,590 so that every newspaper in New York could say the FBI made a 693 00:44:01,590 --> 00:44:06,390 big arrest. It's the best press standing next to the really bad 694 00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:10,080 guy. When you caught him before there's a crime. Everybody wants 695 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:11,670 to say, I saved America. 696 00:44:13,260 --> 00:44:16,950 The mood within the FBI after 911 was that the rules don't 697 00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:17,310 apply 698 00:44:17,310 --> 00:44:22,050 anymore. But the one message that was clear, and for me and 699 00:44:22,050 --> 00:44:26,010 the other FBI executives at the time it was there will be no 700 00:44:26,010 --> 00:44:29,460 tolerance for another terrorist attack in this country under any 701 00:44:29,460 --> 00:44:30,240 circumstances. 702 00:44:31,980 --> 00:44:36,330 The more I started to see what the government had done in here, 703 00:44:36,660 --> 00:44:40,440 and what the FBI had done here, you realize everybody does 704 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,770 really, really, really ugly things. And once you see 705 00:44:43,770 --> 00:44:45,510 something like that you can't unsee it. 706 00:44:46,140 --> 00:44:50,130 It could be people did. You know nobody told somebody to be in a 707 00:44:50,130 --> 00:44:51,060 clean, clean and clean. 708 00:44:52,290 --> 00:44:56,160 Closing. Yeah, it will destroy property. You want to Yeah, 709 00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:03,150 he'll tell you that But they tried to say my son was a 710 00:45:03,150 --> 00:45:04,500 ruthless killer. 711 00:45:06,029 --> 00:45:11,039 What David they talking about? They when I found out how 712 00:45:11,759 --> 00:45:15,869 devious the government really is, and he was like, well, your 713 00:45:15,869 --> 00:45:19,919 son's in tears. I said, No, you're the terrorists. You go 714 00:45:19,919 --> 00:45:23,609 home and look in the mirror. You created this whole scene. 715 00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:26,189 created a 716 00:45:26,190 --> 00:45:30,090 movie as well. Yeah, yeah, it's it's quite easy these days. 717 00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,560 And now that you don't need the AI, you needed some footage from 718 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,280 my cell phone camera. And you can use social media, you know. 719 00:45:40,050 --> 00:45:44,460 It's even more dangerous. Because it's Yeah, you could 720 00:45:44,460 --> 00:45:48,360 take any angle, I mean, any angle from anything, and make it 721 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,750 look like you want to make it look and make a call out to me. 722 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:56,670 And then any new story, you throw a couple 1000 bots against 723 00:45:56,670 --> 00:46:00,510 it. And john and i have always said, the internet made it, you 724 00:46:00,510 --> 00:46:02,910 know, didn't really make it better for freedom and free 725 00:46:02,910 --> 00:46:05,160 speech. It made it that much easier for the government to 726 00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:06,240 propagandize. 727 00:46:07,410 --> 00:46:10,140 That's true, but I had to push back against that because it 728 00:46:10,140 --> 00:46:13,260 gets put on equal footing. Well, that's 729 00:46:13,290 --> 00:46:18,030 okay. pushing back to your push back. If you go look at the 730 00:46:18,030 --> 00:46:28,140 2000s for Satan, maybe it's 2009 or something 2008 2009 Time 731 00:46:28,140 --> 00:46:33,300 Magazine. Zuckerberg was Man of the Year. And in that article, 732 00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:38,070 Robert Muller pops his head into Zuckerberg office during the 733 00:46:38,070 --> 00:46:40,380 interview and says hey, you know, I was just in my office 734 00:46:40,380 --> 00:46:43,860 here in the in the building. Now Mahler was director of FBI at 735 00:46:43,860 --> 00:46:49,110 the time. He was the director of FBI and had his own office in 736 00:46:49,110 --> 00:46:50,430 the Facebook building. 737 00:46:52,230 --> 00:46:54,570 Yeah, but what I'm saying is we got two guys with two 738 00:46:54,570 --> 00:46:57,180 microphones and a laptop Okay, 739 00:46:57,180 --> 00:46:59,880 okay. Yeah, yeah, of course that obviously 740 00:46:59,910 --> 00:47:03,960 that's a problem that's that's the problem. We're seeing Oh, 741 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:04,200 this 742 00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:08,190 is why I built podcasting. 2.0 I need to protect us. Yeah, 743 00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:13,410 yeah. And they never thought that I'll make I gotta make make 744 00:47:13,410 --> 00:47:16,020 these two points. I don't know I don't want to be laboring, but 745 00:47:16,020 --> 00:47:19,860 we have to, we can't let it slip past one with the new birth 746 00:47:19,860 --> 00:47:24,000 situation. If you make black people the face of something. 747 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:29,850 You're going to get a segment of society behind it. To rail 748 00:47:29,850 --> 00:47:33,930 against it. I'm going to give you an example Haiti, the border 749 00:47:34,470 --> 00:47:38,040 Yeah, millions came in brown people came into this country 750 00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:42,930 freely. Afghans unvetted came to this country field freely. We'll 751 00:47:42,930 --> 00:47:46,380 let 20,000 Haitians show up now we of course know on this show 752 00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:51,540 that all black people are not the same as far as you have a 753 00:47:51,540 --> 00:47:55,860 das not a das Haitians whatever but to the viewing audience you 754 00:47:55,860 --> 00:48:02,130 see a there was a horde of black people head towards the border 755 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,010 Oh everybody got in line. Oh no, no, I was turning around the 756 00:48:05,010 --> 00:48:06,930 border count them around the border now. 757 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:11,220 Well, hold on a second. Again. We have to be careful because 758 00:48:11,550 --> 00:48:14,700 this was a little different than that because it's been a 759 00:48:14,700 --> 00:48:22,170 continuous stream of people coming in this 20 30,000 person 760 00:48:22,170 --> 00:48:27,450 group from Haiti which were always identified as Haitians in 761 00:48:27,450 --> 00:48:31,740 every news report it was really fox news that push this I'm so 762 00:48:31,740 --> 00:48:36,240 this was you know what what was different was you had a huge 763 00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:41,460 amount it was your streaming across the river. I personally I 764 00:48:41,460 --> 00:48:44,040 have a feeling that that's yes you're right there's always 765 00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:49,260 gonna be someone but living in Texas and I live in the hill 766 00:48:49,260 --> 00:48:53,280 country and you know so this is not your typical Austin people. 767 00:48:53,580 --> 00:48:57,090 They really are more angry about just the fact that it's 768 00:48:57,090 --> 00:49:02,970 happening then who it is is contingent yes but it's it's 769 00:49:03,060 --> 00:49:05,250 it's I don't really feel like that. 770 00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:11,070 No the Texans were like stop everybody knows I'm even pro 771 00:49:11,070 --> 00:49:15,270 strong border. The point I'm making is if you want to stop 772 00:49:16,110 --> 00:49:18,540 say okay, now now I'm about to get crispy I don't do 773 00:49:18,540 --> 00:49:21,660 conspiracies but let's just say for instance, that you want to 774 00:49:21,660 --> 00:49:24,330 stop illegal immigration say Dang, we blew out the border, 775 00:49:24,330 --> 00:49:29,280 how do we stop it right? Send 20,000 blacks to the border. If 776 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:33,120 we stopped then we can stop everybody. Because the view of 777 00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,490 and I'm just just telling you because the same thing with an 778 00:49:35,490 --> 00:49:40,350 Uber case. When you make black people the face of something. 779 00:49:40,620 --> 00:49:44,880 It's a little more scary to a certain segment of society now 780 00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,780 people on the border even myself, I'm like nobody should 781 00:49:48,780 --> 00:49:52,950 come here we're saying the wrong way. You know, I'm pro strong 782 00:49:52,950 --> 00:49:56,910 border because that's more competition. unfair competition 783 00:49:56,970 --> 00:50:00,240 is introduced to the you know, into the ecosystem of Our 784 00:50:00,900 --> 00:50:05,700 economy. But what I'm saying is the optics of it scares the 785 00:50:05,700 --> 00:50:08,970 crap. I don't know why. I do know why, but I don't know why 786 00:50:09,690 --> 00:50:13,950 it scared the crap out of not the conservative side, but the 787 00:50:13,950 --> 00:50:16,620 liberal side. Notice they had no problem with saying turn them 788 00:50:16,620 --> 00:50:20,040 around in the border. And who and I'm gonna say this who lives 789 00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,970 under a bridge? A person went out of home, that was symbolic. 790 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,360 I don't know, y'all have a home here, come around. Um, that's 791 00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:32,130 just my view of it. Um, like I said, you can push back on it, 792 00:50:32,130 --> 00:50:33,450 but that's how I 793 00:50:33,450 --> 00:50:36,750 see it. I don't have any evidence one way or the other 794 00:50:36,780 --> 00:50:43,980 adjust what's around me? And in this particular case, not when 795 00:50:43,980 --> 00:50:48,540 it when it's when it's brown people, I think that it's more 796 00:50:48,540 --> 00:50:53,100 prevalent, because as African Mexicans are coming, even though 797 00:50:53,100 --> 00:50:55,800 they're from completely different countries, just this 798 00:50:55,800 --> 00:51:01,740 one particular case, I'm not so sure. I mean, you you may have, 799 00:51:01,770 --> 00:51:04,230 you clearly have a different experience. It's just it's been 800 00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:10,170 so posted. This is Haiti annotations and, and the M five 801 00:51:10,170 --> 00:51:13,380 M is lying about them coming from their earthquake country. 802 00:51:13,770 --> 00:51:17,820 So there's a lot of focus to make it softer, in a way is what 803 00:51:17,820 --> 00:51:21,990 I'm feeling. I understand your point. I just don't know if if 804 00:51:22,170 --> 00:51:23,760 it subconscious 805 00:51:23,970 --> 00:51:27,000 or how to show for another day, but I just want to make that my 806 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,470 perception of It's fine. 807 00:51:28,650 --> 00:51:29,280 It's fine. Yeah. 808 00:51:29,490 --> 00:51:34,320 My perception is when you when you make it a darker hue. It's a 809 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:38,700 problem. Now we flew people in from Afghanistan. Now we were 810 00:51:38,700 --> 00:51:42,780 talking about terrorism now manufactured terrorism. It with 811 00:51:42,780 --> 00:51:46,410 the new Berg thing, but we're bringing people in unvetted no 812 00:51:46,410 --> 00:51:46,980 problem. Yeah, 813 00:51:47,130 --> 00:51:51,090 no problem. But hold on, because I follow this, that that news of 814 00:51:51,090 --> 00:51:54,570 the Afghan of Afghans being brought in, which was starting 815 00:51:54,570 --> 00:51:58,170 to create an outrage, by the way, a lot of Afghans not brown 816 00:51:58,170 --> 00:52:00,210 just so everybody knows, you know, there's a lot of white 817 00:52:00,210 --> 00:52:05,610 Afghans. Yeah. But that was overshadowed by the Haitians as 818 00:52:05,610 --> 00:52:08,730 a new story. So that so I think that people's focus was turned 819 00:52:08,730 --> 00:52:12,240 away, maybe purposefully, because, yeah, there were 820 00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:15,030 stories about, there was a couple of Afghans who 821 00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:17,490 immediately had to be deported because they were criminals. 822 00:52:18,270 --> 00:52:21,240 So that we needed a weapon that is give me a weapon tail and 823 00:52:21,270 --> 00:52:26,130 token people. basis. So yeah, I'm just saying, that's just a 824 00:52:26,130 --> 00:52:30,480 perception of mine. It's like branding. If you want to brand 825 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,630 it a certain guy, I gotta let people do and the reason why I 826 00:52:33,630 --> 00:52:36,480 brought it up, I didn't want to bring hate into too much. But I 827 00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,840 think they tried that with this case, because I don't know if 828 00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,500 it's known to you or not, we're in every president in a made the 829 00:52:43,500 --> 00:52:47,220 point is that they met in prison. In every major prison. 830 00:52:47,490 --> 00:52:51,990 There's a Muslim population of black men. Yes. So it's like, 831 00:52:52,020 --> 00:52:54,450 oh, we had a whole terrorist nail in every image, every 832 00:52:54,450 --> 00:52:57,750 prison like this. This is this is a real Bonanza. 833 00:52:57,839 --> 00:53:03,179 I remember I remember hearing this after 911. So probably 834 00:53:03,209 --> 00:53:06,089 2000 567 that there was a lot of this talk. 835 00:53:06,630 --> 00:53:11,760 Yeah. So I mean, I think it flopped. Flat hard. Now. You 836 00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,090 brought up Mueller. Is that Mueller akin to john Mueller, 837 00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:19,500 the senior fellow at the cato institute? I don't know. I don't 838 00:53:19,500 --> 00:53:20,370 know if he is or not. 839 00:53:20,460 --> 00:53:21,090 I don't know. 840 00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:25,410 I have a clip of john Mueller speaking on the new Burke's 841 00:53:25,410 --> 00:53:25,800 thing. 842 00:53:26,220 --> 00:53:29,400 Yeah, what I've been doing is a set of case studies had been 843 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:35,430 mentioned, which are of every case since 911, in which there 844 00:53:35,430 --> 00:53:39,000 has been an Islamic terrorist who has either who is apparently 845 00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,600 tried to do damage within the United States. This had included 846 00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,300 not only terrorists in the United States, like the Hamburg 847 00:53:45,300 --> 00:53:50,310 people by the Newbern people, but also the people of like the 848 00:53:50,310 --> 00:53:52,560 shoe bomber, and so forth, people who are based overseas. 849 00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,980 So there's 70, there's now 70 cases, and there's a flyer out 850 00:53:55,980 --> 00:53:59,070 there if you didn't pick it up with 69 cases, but one just 851 00:53:59,070 --> 00:54:01,410 happened over the weekend. So there are now 70 cases that 852 00:54:01,410 --> 00:54:03,630 we'll be looking at. And most of them have failed to fully 853 00:54:03,630 --> 00:54:07,320 developed case studies. The the case seems to be fairly unique 854 00:54:07,350 --> 00:54:11,040 this particular case or especial in several respects, but two in 855 00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:15,210 particular stand out to me. One is the first time the FBI 856 00:54:15,210 --> 00:54:17,460 actually went to actually have them push the button. 857 00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,120 Previously, when they had an formance by the way of the 70 858 00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,600 cases or so more than half of them have insight you have 859 00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,510 informants people working in the play, not just looking at it 860 00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:30,450 from outside surveilling it, but actually looking within the plot 861 00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:37,980 of the night 19 cases since 2010 or so the 19 cases in this 862 00:54:38,010 --> 00:54:43,410 decade. 15 of them have been types of with the with the with 863 00:54:43,410 --> 00:54:46,830 an informant working on site. At any rate in the early days, they 864 00:54:46,830 --> 00:54:48,630 basically just getting information about this guy wants 865 00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:51,270 to do something and then they tried to bring court cases, then 866 00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:54,150 he got closer to actually giving them weapons or having to take 867 00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:54,660 weapons. Oh 868 00:54:56,550 --> 00:54:59,790 my god, this is this is a great explanation of the entire six 869 00:54:59,790 --> 00:55:02,220 weeks cycle concept This is fantastic. 870 00:55:02,580 --> 00:55:05,280 But like you said and I didn't leave you That's why I'll let 871 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,800 you speak about pushing the button. But this is one of the 872 00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:12,270 first cases on record was like oh we got to get him at the 873 00:55:12,300 --> 00:55:15,240 scene right actually pressing the button because it's getting 874 00:55:15,240 --> 00:55:19,650 harder and harder to try these cases where you know where she's 875 00:55:21,540 --> 00:55:24,780 an alleged attack this was plant with story is the word he like 876 00:55:24,780 --> 00:55:25,770 to use this story. 877 00:55:27,780 --> 00:55:31,440 Robert Mueller has four younger sisters no brothers, so 878 00:55:31,620 --> 00:55:36,030 all right. Never Mueller. Yeah, different one. All right. So um, 879 00:55:36,540 --> 00:55:38,820 I guess we can get back into the second clip or john. 880 00:55:39,150 --> 00:55:41,340 It turns out the government did absolutely everything that had 881 00:55:41,340 --> 00:55:44,070 fans predicted in his previous motion dismisses indictment, the 882 00:55:44,070 --> 00:55:46,650 government indisputably manufactured the crimes of which 883 00:55:46,650 --> 00:55:50,430 is the defendant stand convicted. And they did all the 884 00:55:50,430 --> 00:55:53,220 details. There's not the slightest doubt in my mind that 885 00:55:53,220 --> 00:55:56,430 James promethee could never have dreamed of this scenario, which 886 00:55:56,430 --> 00:55:59,340 actually became he actually became involved in and if by 887 00:55:59,340 --> 00:56:02,400 some chance he did, he would not have had the slightest idea of 888 00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:07,080 how to make it happen. I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt, 889 00:56:07,170 --> 00:56:10,650 which is extreme, you know, not vague, without beyond a shadow 890 00:56:10,650 --> 00:56:13,260 of a doubt that there would never been a crime here except 891 00:56:13,260 --> 00:56:15,870 the government instigated planned it and brought it to 892 00:56:15,870 --> 00:56:19,290 fruition now she also points out a couple of ingenious things 893 00:56:19,290 --> 00:56:23,220 that the government did do one was they basically made it so 894 00:56:23,220 --> 00:56:26,340 that these guys would get their weapons in Connecticut so that 895 00:56:26,340 --> 00:56:29,730 made it a federal case that he went outside of New York and the 896 00:56:29,730 --> 00:56:32,820 other thing they did was essentially pursue the idea of 897 00:56:32,820 --> 00:56:36,480 bombing with a stinger missile shooting a plane which presuming 898 00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,090 on the ground with nobody in it, it was flying these guys would 899 00:56:39,090 --> 00:56:41,700 never in a million years be able to hit it they probably couldn't 900 00:56:41,700 --> 00:56:43,560 hit it even they're standing right next to it on the ground. 901 00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:48,570 But at any rate, she then basically they they did this the 902 00:56:48,570 --> 00:56:53,880 stinger missile thing which as pointed out earlier, minimized 903 00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,850 or modified your sentence if you tried to take it on an aeroplane 904 00:56:56,850 --> 00:56:59,580 or planning to do it so in many respects the government made 905 00:56:59,580 --> 00:57:02,100 that happen because they didn't have to do the stinger missile 906 00:57:02,100 --> 00:57:04,380 they could did something else like blowing up a bridge or 907 00:57:04,380 --> 00:57:09,750 something like it was originally there. The The promisee was 908 00:57:09,750 --> 00:57:14,190 incapable of committing an act of terrorism on his own and the 909 00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,550 the informant was a prime mover instigator of the of the 910 00:57:17,550 --> 00:57:18,510 criminal activity 911 00:57:18,750 --> 00:57:23,430 I remember this now. I totally remember this with the Stinger 912 00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:27,450 missiles I think that was doing that at LaGuardia or something 913 00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,240 I think it was the Air Force Base I'm not possible it's 914 00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,240 possible yes I remember this Yeah, so that's that's the whole 915 00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:39,000 point. And then they also had the sprinkling and synagogues. 916 00:57:42,570 --> 00:57:44,730 On the way to the airport we're gonna knock off a couple of 917 00:57:44,730 --> 00:57:48,720 synagogues was added to get certain people alarmed in power 918 00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,840 so I mean, it's like a dog whistle pay attention pay 919 00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:56,370 attention, right. So we all know what that what that percent 920 00:57:56,820 --> 00:58:01,170 equates to when they throw the synagogues in there. Um, but 921 00:58:01,170 --> 00:58:06,420 yeah, I mean this this is a john Mueller. He said this is the 922 00:58:06,420 --> 00:58:10,050 first time that they had people on the inside working. Well, 923 00:58:10,050 --> 00:58:15,090 obviously he didn't know. Darth Darth Perry, which he. This is a 924 00:58:15,090 --> 00:58:19,020 throwback clip from 41. Just about and it was a record air. 925 00:58:19,050 --> 00:58:22,560 This interview aired in 1980. He did most of his actions in the 926 00:58:22,830 --> 00:58:29,460 late 60s early 70s. ex ex FBI informant talks infiltration. 927 00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,330 In the summer of 1978, I interviewed a man who worked as 928 00:58:33,330 --> 00:58:37,830 an informant for the FBI during the 1960s. His name is Darth 929 00:58:37,830 --> 00:58:42,450 aard. Perry, also known as Ed Riggs, also known as Bill Perry, 930 00:58:42,690 --> 00:58:51,480 also known as Othello. How are you paid? the pay was always in 931 00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:57,060 cash, cash and you would sign a card, it would go like this a 932 00:58:57,060 --> 00:59:00,630 rendezvous or a drop off point would be picked out either by 933 00:59:00,630 --> 00:59:04,830 yourself or the agent, he would meet the agent there. Usually it 934 00:59:04,830 --> 00:59:07,590 would be in a vehicle you get in the vehicle, he would hand you 935 00:59:07,590 --> 00:59:11,190 the money, he would tell you first to count the money. He 936 00:59:11,190 --> 00:59:15,060 would tell you the amount while you counted. The amount was 937 00:59:15,060 --> 00:59:19,140 there he would then bring out a card on that card would be for 938 00:59:19,140 --> 00:59:22,410 the week of such in session. In other words, the week was dated 939 00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:28,530 so and so has been paid the amount of then you would sign 940 00:59:28,530 --> 00:59:31,410 the card and then the agent would sign the car. The reason 941 00:59:31,410 --> 00:59:36,060 for this is that if all of a sudden the IRS became very 942 00:59:36,060 --> 00:59:38,580 interested about where you were getting all this extra money 943 00:59:38,580 --> 00:59:41,610 from, you could always tell them to go back to the Bureau and the 944 00:59:41,610 --> 00:59:43,290 bureau would have your cars on file. 945 00:59:49,980 --> 00:59:52,110 Yeah, my goodness. 946 00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:55,740 So this was this was going on in the 60s we you know, of course 947 00:59:55,740 --> 00:59:59,370 what cointelpro and those things and this guy was setting setting 948 00:59:59,370 --> 01:00:01,830 the fire In intermingling with, 949 01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,430 imagine how sophisticated this stuff is now, considering how 950 01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:07,410 long they've been pulling these scams. 951 01:00:08,940 --> 01:00:12,660 Yeah, but I think it works because that is not 952 01:00:12,660 --> 01:00:19,650 sophisticated. It's poor people cash, you can get into places 953 01:00:19,650 --> 01:00:23,610 that we can't. Hmm. And that that's the nuance we're talking 954 01:00:23,610 --> 01:00:28,080 about the humans have that, you know, even with technology, its 955 01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:32,130 limitations, right? Um, yeah, it's certain limitations that 956 01:00:32,130 --> 01:00:36,540 you can, you can't, if somebody approaches approaches you 957 01:00:36,540 --> 01:00:39,510 online, it's a little different when somebody approaches you in 958 01:00:39,510 --> 01:00:42,990 person, right? That's why these people are so valuable to these 959 01:00:43,710 --> 01:00:49,380 three letter agencies. Right. So yeah, so you hear you heard him 960 01:00:49,380 --> 01:00:52,770 saying yourself? So let's get into the second part of this 961 01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:53,280 clip. 962 01:00:54,029 --> 01:00:59,579 With such things as bonuses, Oh, yes. What were they paid for? 963 01:00:59,789 --> 01:01:08,459 bonuses were paid for? Suppose while you were meeting with, or 964 01:01:08,459 --> 01:01:14,249 you were at a meeting with Bobby seals, to lie, the Red Army 965 01:01:15,569 --> 01:01:19,079 happened to come to the meeting to which is something which 966 01:01:19,079 --> 01:01:25,229 would be new development as the best bonus time? In other words, 967 01:01:25,229 --> 01:01:30,329 a hard piece of information, IPS very happy. Did you ever suffer 968 01:01:30,329 --> 01:01:37,289 pangs of conscience? Quite a few times. Quite a few times. I 969 01:01:37,289 --> 01:01:42,059 still suffer pain as a conscious. I suffer from the 970 01:01:42,059 --> 01:01:45,629 fact that a lot of people trusted me. And I misused that 971 01:01:45,629 --> 01:01:54,749 trust. I suffer from the fact that a lot of information that I 972 01:01:54,779 --> 01:01:59,939 gave out was the undoing of certain groups or certain 973 01:01:59,939 --> 01:02:00,599 people. 974 01:02:01,950 --> 01:02:08,310 Sound familiar? to folks, DVDs, weapons to the bottom, 975 01:02:08,850 --> 01:02:12,150 you as you always say it's, it's you first what you do hold the 976 01:02:12,150 --> 01:02:13,470 door open, we are 977 01:02:13,470 --> 01:02:16,380 in the wrong door, this is the wrong door you want to go 978 01:02:16,380 --> 01:02:20,820 through. You don't want to go through this door because as we 979 01:02:20,820 --> 01:02:25,230 saw with the proud boys, they had the leader who was an afro 980 01:02:25,230 --> 01:02:29,940 Latino, he was working with the feds, right? allegedly right? 981 01:02:29,970 --> 01:02:33,270 Um, and they brought him in like right before that he couldn't be 982 01:02:33,270 --> 01:02:37,440 at the one six a protest, like, Oh, no, no, no, we found you 983 01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:41,010 with some kind of magazines or something. We're taking you out 984 01:02:41,010 --> 01:02:43,830 the game, you know, that kind of thing. And, like I said, we saw 985 01:02:43,830 --> 01:02:46,260 this with the mob, we saw there's all kinds of groups, 986 01:02:46,590 --> 01:02:50,670 either political or just criminal with these 987 01:02:50,940 --> 01:02:55,470 infiltrators, um, and like I said, I just want to humanize 988 01:02:55,470 --> 01:02:57,420 because they maybe they're saying, Oh, well, it's for the 989 01:02:57,420 --> 01:03:01,050 greater good, but you can't circumvent people's rights. 990 01:03:01,290 --> 01:03:05,160 That's my issue with it, you know, do it the right way. If 991 01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:07,680 you want to catch people do it the right way. Um, 992 01:03:08,399 --> 01:03:13,739 but, yes. You mean like, do it legally do your job properly and 993 01:03:13,739 --> 01:03:14,969 stop mucking around? 994 01:03:15,150 --> 01:03:17,460 Right, don't know, infringe on people, right? I'm big on 995 01:03:17,460 --> 01:03:21,090 rights. Because when I go into courtroom, I would hope to have 996 01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:26,100 all mine protect me. And when I see other people's rights are 997 01:03:26,100 --> 01:03:30,240 eroded away. That is a big issue with me. Because if you could 998 01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,880 take that person, even if I don't agree with that person, 999 01:03:33,060 --> 01:03:36,690 even if I don't like that person, you they should have a 1000 01:03:36,690 --> 01:03:40,230 fair trial. They shouldn't be entrapped. They shouldn't be you 1001 01:03:40,230 --> 01:03:45,240 know, oh, you know, honeypot it or whatever, whatever the terms 1002 01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:49,200 you want to use to get it i want i want to clean case, because it 1003 01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:51,660 might that's that's the thing, if I'm not that way, then I'm a 1004 01:03:51,660 --> 01:03:55,860 hypocrite. You know, I'm decide, yeah, get I don't like them. So 1005 01:03:55,860 --> 01:03:58,980 do what you got to do to get Oh, of course, of course. And I 1006 01:03:58,980 --> 01:04:01,440 think like I said, I think that's the thinking that came. 1007 01:04:01,830 --> 01:04:05,550 That was the silver lining of the 911 thing. A lot of people 1008 01:04:05,550 --> 01:04:08,790 felt that way. Like, that feels icky, right? You're saying like, 1009 01:04:08,790 --> 01:04:12,660 that doesn't even feel right. Even if I understand. I 1010 01:04:12,660 --> 01:04:14,610 understand I live it I understand the buildings or 1011 01:04:14,610 --> 01:04:18,660 whatever. I mean, just take it surface level. But I rack like, 1012 01:04:18,690 --> 01:04:22,170 what are we doing? I don't make it make sense. But nobody said 1013 01:04:22,170 --> 01:04:27,060 anything at the time. But I think people my age and yellow 1014 01:04:27,060 --> 01:04:27,630 are younger. 1015 01:04:27,780 --> 01:04:32,550 Well, that was that was two things. That was a lie, of 1016 01:04:32,550 --> 01:04:37,770 course, but it was a colin powell who held up you know, the 1017 01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:41,160 the vial of anthrax, and then there was the aluminum tubes. 1018 01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:48,210 That was a New York Times. Lie. They lied. And yeah, but it was 1019 01:04:48,210 --> 01:04:51,300 totally based off of the New York Times reporting and they 1020 01:04:51,300 --> 01:04:54,510 just had bad information. I would say they lied. But yeah, 1021 01:04:55,020 --> 01:05:01,080 yeah. Like I said, but that shaped the generation have now 1022 01:05:01,170 --> 01:05:06,420 Oh, no, it's not fair. I think we're Yes. The general 1023 01:05:06,420 --> 01:05:10,770 population is more about fairness now than it was just 1024 01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:14,580 Oh, pro America. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, yeah, we want it. We 1025 01:05:14,580 --> 01:05:17,730 want it clean. Like we want to win win win clean when we don't 1026 01:05:17,730 --> 01:05:21,000 want you know, we don't want to, I could say use your word not 1027 01:05:21,030 --> 01:05:26,430 more than mucked up. So I'm now getting back to the black. And I 1028 01:05:26,430 --> 01:05:29,700 got to get back to it because we got to go talk about the Black 1029 01:05:29,700 --> 01:05:36,030 Panthers Yes. And what the they did for gun rights in a negative 1030 01:05:36,030 --> 01:05:39,540 way. So I'm just gonna catch people up. This came for 41 as 1031 01:05:39,540 --> 01:05:44,070 well. And if it wasn't for the Black Panthers in them being 1032 01:05:44,070 --> 01:05:48,720 given guns, and standing outside of a state capitol, then you 1033 01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:52,170 don't have the gun rights that we have today where the gun laws 1034 01:05:52,170 --> 01:05:56,640 not rights, but the policing of gun rights that we have today. 1035 01:05:57,030 --> 01:06:00,030 And those guns were supplied by, you guessed. 1036 01:06:03,450 --> 01:06:06,570 We begin today's show with explosive new allegations that 1037 01:06:06,570 --> 01:06:10,020 the man who gave the Black Panther Party some of its first 1038 01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:14,400 firearms and weapons training was an undercover FBI informant 1039 01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:18,600 in California. Richard okie, was an early member of the Panthers 1040 01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:21,990 and the only Asian American to have a formal position in the 1041 01:06:21,990 --> 01:06:25,350 party. He was also a member of the Asian American political 1042 01:06:25,350 --> 01:06:28,350 alliance that was involved in the third world Liberation Front 1043 01:06:28,350 --> 01:06:32,760 students strike of the claim that alkie was informed and his 1044 01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:35,670 colleagues is based on statements made by a former 1045 01:06:36,330 --> 01:06:39,870 agent of the FBI. In a report obtained by investigative 1046 01:06:39,870 --> 01:06:42,390 journalist Seth Rosenfeld, author of the new book 1047 01:06:42,420 --> 01:06:46,260 subversives, the FBI is war on student radicals and Reagan's 1048 01:06:46,290 --> 01:06:47,550 rise to power. 1049 01:06:49,380 --> 01:06:55,110 Yes, once again, handing out guns. For political it's like 1050 01:06:55,140 --> 01:06:59,880 it's the it's the it's the double cross is, here's guns 1051 01:06:59,940 --> 01:07:03,930 look scary. So now we can implement what we really want to 1052 01:07:03,930 --> 01:07:08,100 implement gun control. So that's my point. It was I think the 1053 01:07:08,100 --> 01:07:13,230 same thing with a Newburgh sting. It was here, here's 1054 01:07:13,230 --> 01:07:18,270 bombs, here's Stinger missiles. Now we can really clamp down on 1055 01:07:18,270 --> 01:07:23,340 the domestic like, this was like the real birth of the domestic 1056 01:07:23,340 --> 01:07:25,500 terrorists because they were American citizens. 1057 01:07:25,589 --> 01:07:28,769 Of course. Ah. What year was this again? 1058 01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:34,530 The new bar. I think I could say I think that was when I say 2008 1059 01:07:34,530 --> 01:07:38,550 or something. Yeah, yes. Okay. So yeah, so it's, well, they're 1060 01:07:38,550 --> 01:07:41,220 not over there anymore. They're over here and they're 1061 01:07:41,220 --> 01:07:45,390 radicalized. And we heard there radicalizing American citizens. 1062 01:07:45,930 --> 01:07:50,340 You know, that's how powerful the narrative was Kane like, and 1063 01:07:50,340 --> 01:07:54,960 the same thing with Richard Araki. So I think we can skip 1064 01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:58,020 past what we stopped at 15. Yeah, we don't need to listen to 1065 01:07:58,020 --> 01:08:02,910 16. But I want to get 16 a, because as we heard on the last 1066 01:08:02,910 --> 01:08:07,320 show, 66 with the Black Panther Party and what was going on in 1067 01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:07,980 Baltimore, 1068 01:08:08,310 --> 01:08:11,580 I wanted I one of the other really fascinating things in 1069 01:08:11,580 --> 01:08:14,970 your book, you talk about the history of policing in 1070 01:08:14,970 --> 01:08:19,140 Baltimore. And you you've said, You told me before the interview 1071 01:08:19,140 --> 01:08:22,200 that you sort of see some parallels today, we might be 1072 01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:25,980 under a new age of surveillance. You know, that if it's not 1073 01:08:25,980 --> 01:08:28,500 already started today. And and I think one of the most 1074 01:08:28,500 --> 01:08:33,960 fascinating things in your book, you talk about how the the, so 1075 01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:37,950 the Baltimore chapter of the Black Panther Party, was 1076 01:08:37,950 --> 01:08:42,660 actually started as part of a cointelpro operation, which is 1077 01:08:42,660 --> 01:08:48,570 run by the FBI to sort of sort of infiltrate the national 1078 01:08:48,570 --> 01:08:50,940 chapter, which was based in Chicago and in Oakland, 1079 01:08:50,970 --> 01:08:54,900 right. And, and so so what happened was that an army 1080 01:08:54,900 --> 01:08:58,530 veteran who had joined the National Security Agency, which 1081 01:08:58,530 --> 01:09:03,990 had built a new headquarters near Baltimore, accent here to 1082 01:09:03,990 --> 01:09:08,520 create a Black Panther Party in Baltimore, that lasted for about 1083 01:09:08,550 --> 01:09:12,870 a year and then he disappeared only to resurface in Canada as 1084 01:09:12,870 --> 01:09:16,950 an agent provocateur. The reason why he went to Canada was that 1085 01:09:16,950 --> 01:09:20,370 the Royal Mounted Police did not have any black agents. So the 1086 01:09:20,370 --> 01:09:22,860 FBI, led him to Canada. 1087 01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:30,150 Linda snitch black guard down in America, we knew that we need to 1088 01:09:30,150 --> 01:09:34,740 rent a snitch. And that guy who shot his international 1089 01:09:35,850 --> 01:09:40,920 painting, just curiosity, do we have any idea of the, at the 1090 01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:44,100 time, at least of the racial makeup of the FBI? 1091 01:09:45,569 --> 01:09:49,889 Oh, no, they actually had black agents. They mean that that was 1092 01:09:49,889 --> 01:09:51,869 something but I'm just curious. What 1093 01:09:51,870 --> 01:09:54,540 do you think the ratio is? Oh, very small. 1094 01:09:54,630 --> 01:09:59,010 It would mean they were hired like as, I mean, they had black 1095 01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:03,660 agents that came in To talk to you know, Malcolm X yeah 1096 01:10:04,740 --> 01:10:07,650 you know they always had the people and like I said the 1097 01:10:07,650 --> 01:10:11,790 humanism we don't want to you know demonize anybody I'm sure 1098 01:10:11,790 --> 01:10:14,130 they felt that they were doing the best thing they could for 1099 01:10:14,130 --> 01:10:17,280 their country because we know some of these groups were based 1100 01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:21,240 in communism is well so they might have like well yeah we're 1101 01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:25,140 taking down this group where we're fighting the evil red you 1102 01:10:25,140 --> 01:10:27,780 know that kind of thing and that's but that's the same 1103 01:10:27,780 --> 01:10:31,380 mentality now right is Oh yeah, we're gonna we're locking up the 1104 01:10:31,380 --> 01:10:34,950 160s but we're taking down the evil nationalist or not that 1105 01:10:34,950 --> 01:10:40,260 kind of thinking what I'm just doing as I'm laying out is Back 1106 01:10:40,260 --> 01:10:46,230 to the Future. Totally what the whole way I'm walking it back is 1107 01:10:46,230 --> 01:10:52,110 like is this is happening right now in certain groups is people 1108 01:10:52,110 --> 01:10:55,770 showing up with bags full of money, bags for arms, whatever 1109 01:10:55,770 --> 01:11:02,670 else and making inroads in groups to you know Taro wrote 1110 01:11:02,670 --> 01:11:05,430 our way our rights I mean that's that's my biggest thing is like 1111 01:11:06,570 --> 01:11:10,080 as an Ontario said, In this clip, you know, it's the 1112 01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:13,080 surveillance Look at all this stuff we gave up out of fear. 1113 01:11:13,710 --> 01:11:15,960 You know, you can't ride anywhere I was talking to 1114 01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:18,990 somebody today. You can't ride anywhere without being recorded 1115 01:11:18,990 --> 01:11:19,260 now. 1116 01:11:19,769 --> 01:11:22,889 Oh, no kidding and let's remember let's see let's just 1117 01:11:22,889 --> 01:11:23,519 remember what's 1118 01:11:24,570 --> 01:11:27,720 even past your neighbor's house the ring doorbells the know the 1119 01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:31,980 ring dorm camera ring doorbell network cameras all those things 1120 01:11:31,980 --> 01:11:33,030 you hear is normal. Can 1121 01:11:33,030 --> 01:11:36,210 you hear me mo no, you can't hear me Hello? I thought yeah, 1122 01:11:36,210 --> 01:11:42,150 hold on. Yeah, it's the ring doorbell network that has been 1123 01:11:42,150 --> 01:11:47,340 licensed to every single police department in the country. They 1124 01:11:47,340 --> 01:11:50,760 literally have a continuous view of almost every single street 1125 01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:56,730 because we're stupid and there is fear I mean, you well the 1126 01:11:56,730 --> 01:12:00,000 ring now the ring doorbell yes it's fear of course it's fear 1127 01:12:00,660 --> 01:12:04,110 but it's also a complete ignorance people really don't 1128 01:12:04,110 --> 01:12:06,600 understand what that what the giving up by doing this kind of 1129 01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:07,080 stuff. 1130 01:12:07,410 --> 01:12:10,380 Well people were paying on people's and taking craps on 1131 01:12:10,380 --> 01:12:13,800 people's doorstep I mean of course we know I can't say of 1132 01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:20,880 course we know is highly likely that Amazon was doing native ads 1133 01:12:21,480 --> 01:12:24,780 to scare people I love what's happening outside your door when 1134 01:12:24,780 --> 01:12:25,590 you're not home. 1135 01:12:25,620 --> 01:12:26,490 Oh totally. 1136 01:12:26,580 --> 01:12:30,450 Don't you want to know I might get stolen packages all those 1137 01:12:30,450 --> 01:12:34,440 things it's they you know and well 1138 01:12:34,470 --> 01:12:38,400 here I have an example I have an example. I think it's just maybe 1139 01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:41,220 just a new story but but that's what was going on as you'd have 1140 01:12:41,220 --> 01:12:44,160 new stories where they talk about the ring doorbell and 1141 01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:46,230 those were native ads like this. I think coming 1142 01:12:46,230 --> 01:12:49,020 allegations tonight out of North Phoenix the mother accused of 1143 01:12:49,020 --> 01:12:52,140 abusing her own son and police say they have the visual 1144 01:12:52,140 --> 01:12:55,440 evidence to prove it. Nicole marker and a boyfriend William 1145 01:12:55,440 --> 01:12:58,920 Johnson now facing charges. Police started investigating 1146 01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:03,000 after markers young child showed up at school with a burn on his 1147 01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:06,690 hand. It's a fun story later recovering 1000s of ring video 1148 01:13:06,690 --> 01:13:10,290 clips inside and outside the child's home near 32nd Street 1149 01:13:10,290 --> 01:13:10,800 and Bell 1150 01:13:11,070 --> 01:13:16,620 Yeah, totally inside inside. Like maybe they didn't tell you 1151 01:13:16,620 --> 01:13:22,620 that part. Or like the kid like the the CPS coming to people 1152 01:13:22,620 --> 01:13:25,260 houses due to Alexa is 1153 01:13:25,650 --> 01:13:27,900 Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, it accidentally recorded you. I'm 1154 01:13:27,900 --> 01:13:28,590 so sorry. 1155 01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:32,790 Right. So I mean, that's all I'm saying is but just stay in 1156 01:13:32,790 --> 01:13:38,460 Baltimore for a minute. The Wire he showed us this notion of we 1157 01:13:38,460 --> 01:13:42,570 saw in NORC started with cell phones. Not when they had the 1158 01:13:42,570 --> 01:13:45,240 camera. Remember they put the camera up on the corner? Yeah, 1159 01:13:45,330 --> 01:13:50,310 you know, so. It was there. I mean, it was like Okay, yeah, 1160 01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:54,000 crom Newark, New Jersey was like ground zero for this kind of 1161 01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:58,950 surveillance. And now it's just like, except it that you can't 1162 01:13:58,950 --> 01:14:01,080 go anywhere without being recorded. I mean, almost to the 1163 01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:03,960 point where if it doesn't even exist anymore, like you know, 1164 01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:06,960 you're not even conscious of being recorded. 1165 01:14:06,990 --> 01:14:10,620 And remember that the best spy devices the one you have in your 1166 01:14:10,620 --> 01:14:11,070 pocket. 1167 01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:15,060 Oh, yeah. tracks, you know, tell you when you sleep your way. 1168 01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:19,590 I read a great story this morning, Spotify, the Spotify 1169 01:14:19,590 --> 01:14:23,130 app, apparently is wearing down the battery on brand new 1170 01:14:23,130 --> 01:14:26,610 iPhones, like in an hour of listening to Spotify drains the 1171 01:14:26,610 --> 01:14:30,630 battery by 30%. And the company says, Well yeah, you know, it's 1172 01:14:30,630 --> 01:14:34,320 doing a lot of data processing. Like really to play a song. 1173 01:14:35,250 --> 01:14:38,280 Yeah, it's a lot of data proc, and we're not quite sure we can 1174 01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:41,940 change this. And the recommendation is don't let it 1175 01:14:41,940 --> 01:14:46,230 run in the background. Oh my goodness. Yeah, but they're 1176 01:14:46,230 --> 01:14:49,950 they're mining your whole life to sell it and I'm sure they'd 1177 01:14:49,950 --> 01:14:52,800 be happy to accept a subpoena. 1178 01:14:53,250 --> 01:14:58,050 Well, not only to sell it but to their mining your whole life to 1179 01:14:58,050 --> 01:15:01,740 shape it. How many times You actually select what you want to 1180 01:15:01,740 --> 01:15:06,000 hear next are watching it. It's like here. You watch that you 1181 01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:09,630 love this. Yep. And people are like Molly's in front of Netflix 1182 01:15:09,630 --> 01:15:13,620 and they just say okay, Ah yeah, show me that or YouTube. Okay. 1183 01:15:13,620 --> 01:15:18,210 Yeah, I guess I like that you know. So this goes back into the 1184 01:15:18,210 --> 01:15:21,510 shaping of society in the in the, you know, the social 1185 01:15:21,510 --> 01:15:26,100 programming is going on, which I find very, very sad. very 1186 01:15:26,100 --> 01:15:31,080 troubling. But Wow, wow, this is something that you missed from 1187 01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:35,490 the life. We talked about. Michael K. Williams. Yeah. And 1188 01:15:35,490 --> 01:15:41,070 my favorite role of is is not Omar. Dickies, chalky, white, 1189 01:15:41,430 --> 01:15:46,410 from Boardwalk Empire. And when my nose clips for that covered 1190 01:15:46,410 --> 01:15:53,700 it. A lot of good stuff in the live the lost tapes for 66. I 1191 01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:57,810 went across this clip again, I was we're always aware of it. 1192 01:15:58,140 --> 01:16:01,770 But this is a fascinating, it's a it's a drama sensation. But 1193 01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:07,890 it's the character called Darren in our SES. And he was this. I 1194 01:16:07,890 --> 01:16:12,570 think he was Bahamian, I want to say, but he comes into the black 1195 01:16:12,570 --> 01:16:17,970 community and he's pushing the kind of self empowerment that 1196 01:16:17,970 --> 01:16:23,010 kind of thing, but he's a pimp, and I think a drug dealer. But 1197 01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:25,620 you know, he looked down on chalky, white McLaren to 1198 01:16:25,620 --> 01:16:29,310 character play by my k wheels because he's this elitist black 1199 01:16:29,310 --> 01:16:33,540 person. And chalky White is like this poor you know, country 1200 01:16:33,540 --> 01:16:38,850 Southern black man. But the beauty of it is that in our seas 1201 01:16:38,910 --> 01:16:43,470 is up getting flipped in the show, by J. Edgar Hoover, you 1202 01:16:43,470 --> 01:16:49,740 into this country to the Port of New Orleans in 1898. Is that 1203 01:16:49,740 --> 01:17:00,540 correct? Is that correct? Are you the one asking questions? 1204 01:17:03,990 --> 01:17:05,610 1898. Yes, 1205 01:17:06,330 --> 01:17:13,410 26 years in the United States. But you're not a citizen. And 1206 01:17:13,410 --> 01:17:18,990 that is grounds for detaining me. Why would you go on living 1207 01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:25,470 in a country you don't wish to belong to? The exile does not 1208 01:17:25,470 --> 01:17:35,010 choose us Babylon. Your compatriot, Garvey, he thinks 1209 01:17:35,010 --> 01:17:39,990 you should all return to Africa. That would be an 1210 01:17:39,990 --> 01:17:46,680 oversimplification of his philosophy. What am I missing? I 1211 01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:52,650 doubt that I could make you to understand. You seem to be a 1212 01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:57,900 clever fellow. Who do you think 1213 01:17:57,900 --> 01:17:59,670 it's to decide what the truth is? 1214 01:18:03,690 --> 01:18:07,650 Truth is one of those in power wishes to be. 1215 01:18:10,440 --> 01:18:14,430 During the course of investigating the seditious 1216 01:18:14,490 --> 01:18:21,000 activities of Marcus Garvey, James M. Oliver, special agent 1217 01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:24,990 with the Bureau of Investigation was murdered in Atlantic City, 1218 01:18:24,990 --> 01:18:30,450 New Jersey by an unidentified colored male that the valentim 1219 01:18:30,450 --> 01:18:35,520 nor Cece assisted the Bureau in apprehending the suspect. 1220 01:18:37,500 --> 01:18:41,640 So we know as we covered in previous shows, Jagger Hoover 1221 01:18:41,970 --> 01:18:46,800 really had an issue with Marcus Garvey. 1222 01:18:47,070 --> 01:18:51,690 Well, first we need to remind people because I think john 1223 01:18:51,690 --> 01:18:56,070 Fletcher brought it up to me the other day. That j Edgar Hoover 1224 01:18:56,070 --> 01:19:03,540 was the African American black man. Yeah, this is such a mind 1225 01:19:03,540 --> 01:19:07,440 boggling thing if you tell people like what what episode 1226 01:19:07,440 --> 01:19:09,510 was that mo if anyone wants to go back and check 1227 01:19:11,310 --> 01:19:16,740 I think that wasn't either 31 to 41 I believe I might maybe early 1228 01:19:16,740 --> 01:19:19,230 about I think we played a dumb maybe throwback clip and knows 1229 01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:21,300 we've been on this trip for a while. 1230 01:19:21,750 --> 01:19:24,060 That was a good one though. That was one of my favorites. That 1231 01:19:24,060 --> 01:19:27,690 that's where like, how come I how come this is not known? 1232 01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:32,790 Cuz it's problematic to the narrative. No kidding. Black Man 1233 01:19:32,790 --> 01:19:35,940 harassing black men like Marcus Garvey, Martin Luther King, and 1234 01:19:35,940 --> 01:19:39,120 now he can't have that narrative. You know, he has to 1235 01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:43,200 be a cross dressing white man. That's the narrative. I mean, 1236 01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:47,130 that's that's what they want us to believe. Right? As a more 1237 01:19:47,730 --> 01:19:51,330 that he's right. He's a crossdresser Um, I don't know if 1238 01:19:51,330 --> 01:19:53,730 he I don't know his sexuality. I just know he like dress up in 1239 01:19:53,730 --> 01:19:58,470 women's clothes. But allegedly, but he can't be a black man. Oh 1240 01:19:58,470 --> 01:20:02,610 no. Even though we have proof of his lineage you know that that 1241 01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:05,130 would ruin what we always talk 1242 01:20:05,130 --> 01:20:09,450 about that by itself just blows your brain up. 1243 01:20:10,620 --> 01:20:13,050 Yeah it does. That's why they can't let it happen because then 1244 01:20:13,050 --> 01:20:15,240 it's like okay then why do you have it for black peace out for 1245 01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:18,930 black people then Zack, is it because like I said, communism 1246 01:20:18,930 --> 01:20:22,290 was a big issue of his as well as you were saying taking down 1247 01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:26,700 as he said In this clip, quoted as saying, clips, the dishes, 1248 01:20:27,030 --> 01:20:32,580 groups, so um, but I thought that's a wonderful clip of a 1249 01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:39,600 agent, flipping someone into an informant. And let's just move 1250 01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:43,230 ahead a little bit jet. The one that played their role in the 1251 01:20:43,230 --> 01:20:48,360 northeast, was Jeffrey Wright. And he's on the sway universe 1252 01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:51,960 sway in the morning. And he goes and give some insight and 1253 01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:56,280 history on the character behind donar seas is your character 1254 01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:58,740 based on anybody in history as 1255 01:20:58,740 --> 01:21:02,040 well, or like you're just my character is based on a 1256 01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:08,070 historical guy, but he's this guy. Really distorted. There was 1257 01:21:08,070 --> 01:21:13,650 a guy named Casper Holstein, who, in the early 1920s, was the 1258 01:21:13,650 --> 01:21:18,030 numbers King, the first big numbers king in Harlem guy was 1259 01:21:18,030 --> 01:21:23,790 making like $12,000 a day they said, you know, he was making 1260 01:21:23,790 --> 01:21:27,180 millions early 20s. He was in the Virgin Islands. He was an 1261 01:21:27,180 --> 01:21:31,170 immigrant. He came as a young as a youngster, he ended up at one 1262 01:21:31,170 --> 01:21:35,280 point, getting a job as a courier for a wall street 1263 01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:38,190 connected family, I think out in Brooklyn white family. So they 1264 01:21:38,190 --> 01:21:41,610 gave him a job, eventually on Wall Street, menial job, like a 1265 01:21:41,610 --> 01:21:44,730 janitor or something like that. Apparently, he ended up in the 1266 01:21:44,730 --> 01:21:49,980 closets stuck during the day studying the stock reports, the 1267 01:21:49,980 --> 01:21:52,950 stock indices, and he would just study all your, you know, very, 1268 01:21:52,980 --> 01:21:56,460 you know, mathematical mind. Apparently, what he did, 1269 01:21:56,490 --> 01:22:01,230 ultimately was he tied the nailing the daily number to the 1270 01:22:01,230 --> 01:22:04,920 stock index. So all he had to do was go to the newspaper and look 1271 01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:07,830 at certain results. And you knew what the number was. So there's 1272 01:22:07,830 --> 01:22:10,830 no ambiguity, there was no way of fixing it. And that's how his 1273 01:22:10,830 --> 01:22:15,960 game became the game to play. So he was making literally millions 1274 01:22:15,990 --> 01:22:19,230 in the early 20s. He was one of the biggest philanthropists in 1275 01:22:19,230 --> 01:22:22,890 the world or in the country, advocating on behalf of rights 1276 01:22:22,890 --> 01:22:26,310 for the Virgin Islands. He also was a Gar VA when Marcus 1277 01:22:26,310 --> 01:22:30,000 Garvey's Empire started to crumble. He was the one who paid 1278 01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:32,910 for liberty Hall, he saved the building that housed the 1279 01:22:32,910 --> 01:22:36,480 universal Negro Improvement Association. bad dude. 1280 01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:42,150 You know, who he reminded me of when I was telling this story. 1281 01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:48,780 The Legend of Frank Lucas, the American Gangster that this one 1282 01:22:48,780 --> 01:22:53,700 black man was bringing in all of these drugs. Yeah, all of 1283 01:22:53,700 --> 01:22:58,050 America is like, really? Is that really what you want to believe 1284 01:22:58,050 --> 01:23:02,070 that one black man was bringing all the drugs they supply all 1285 01:23:02,070 --> 01:23:03,690 over America in the 1970s 1286 01:23:04,440 --> 01:23:07,320 Please pay no attention to the involvement of the CIA or the 1287 01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:08,010 military. 1288 01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:11,280 Right? And the same case with this, there was no follow up 1289 01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:14,910 question and saying hey, was he really working with? No nobody 1290 01:23:14,910 --> 01:23:17,100 asked that. I mean, that's the main question right? Was he 1291 01:23:17,100 --> 01:23:20,310 really working at Hoover? And you're saying unless you're a 1292 01:23:20,310 --> 01:23:23,490 black man or a suspected black man because he saved from 1293 01:23:23,490 --> 01:23:27,360 Bahamas um cuz we know when we say that word black it means 1294 01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:30,480 something different than how they use it you're saying so 1295 01:23:30,480 --> 01:23:35,070 loosely, but making millions of dollars run in numbers and he 1296 01:23:35,070 --> 01:23:39,660 didn't come across Hoover's radar Yeah, and this is our 1297 01:23:39,660 --> 01:23:43,590 first time hearing about him I mean like it's just like I said 1298 01:23:43,650 --> 01:23:45,120 it's just a fascinating 1299 01:23:45,150 --> 01:23:48,300 well, but it's what's what's cool about it is just like just 1300 01:23:48,300 --> 01:23:52,170 like that with the with the oathkeepers you know, the 1301 01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:56,250 terrorist domestic violent extremist terrorist group is the 1302 01:23:56,250 --> 01:24:00,600 same thing with the leader. And let's not at all mentioned red 1303 01:24:00,630 --> 01:24:01,290 owl. 1304 01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:07,800 Oh, yeah. cowboy hat on us and by God suitcases full of 1305 01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:11,820 cocaine. No problem, you know, but but but what's the story? 1306 01:24:11,820 --> 01:24:15,630 Oh, he took down the mob, you know, the righteous 1307 01:24:15,630 --> 01:24:22,890 justification of what he did. So yeah, it's that's, that's the 1308 01:24:22,890 --> 01:24:26,700 backstory of, you know, the history of informants 1309 01:24:27,090 --> 01:24:32,250 throughout, you know, early America and early the FBI, going 1310 01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:34,890 all the way back from the Black Panthers all the way back to 1311 01:24:34,890 --> 01:24:40,650 Marcus Garvey and the creation of the of the agency. And then 1312 01:24:40,650 --> 01:24:43,800 one more thing I'd like to bring up is the n double A CP was 1313 01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:50,520 created by a person in a government agency. So it's 1314 01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:55,830 always true. Yes, we carry that spin guard. I know we we cover 1315 01:24:55,830 --> 01:24:59,820 so much. Yes. Spin guard which now to give out the Spingarn 1316 01:24:59,820 --> 01:25:05,880 war. All right. So it's like was what did they have control on 1317 01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:09,450 both sides because you know, Dubois and Garvey, you're saying 1318 01:25:09,450 --> 01:25:11,640 we're like kind of pitted against each other or didn't 1319 01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:15,390 like each other were they and we know clearly that divorce is 1320 01:25:15,390 --> 01:25:20,880 being handed do boy do Boy Boy was being handled by um, spin 1321 01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:26,460 guard was Casper, the handler on Marcus Garvey side, you know 1322 01:25:26,460 --> 01:25:28,380 that we got to ask these questions, because good 1323 01:25:28,380 --> 01:25:31,830 questions. If this is the same thing going on, like now it's 1324 01:25:31,830 --> 01:25:36,270 groups being pitted against each other, or being afraid of each 1325 01:25:36,270 --> 01:25:40,710 other. But before we move on, we got to think the most important 1326 01:25:40,710 --> 01:25:43,230 people to the show the producers First, 1327 01:25:43,259 --> 01:25:46,529 the white man and the black man have to be able to sit down at 1328 01:25:46,529 --> 01:25:49,589 the same table, the white man has to feel free to speak his 1329 01:25:49,589 --> 01:25:52,199 mind without hurting the feelings of that Negro. And the 1330 01:25:52,199 --> 01:25:55,289 so called Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without 1331 01:25:55,289 --> 01:25:57,959 hurting the feeling of the right man, then they can bring the 1332 01:25:57,959 --> 01:26:00,839 issues that are under the rug on top of the table and take an 1333 01:26:00,839 --> 01:26:03,629 intelligent approach to get the problem solved. But the only way 1334 01:26:03,809 --> 01:26:04,559 we'll ever do it. 1335 01:26:06,480 --> 01:26:10,080 That's right, Mo facts with Adam Curry is a value for value 1336 01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:14,070 podcast. What does that mean? Well, we're trying to circumvent 1337 01:26:14,100 --> 01:26:16,500 all of this stuff. The first part is we don't want to be 1338 01:26:16,500 --> 01:26:18,960 cancelled. The best way to do that is don't get involved with 1339 01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:22,560 anybody over there. When it comes to creepy corporations. I 1340 01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:25,320 don't know we could probably get Chinese money if we want it. No, 1341 01:26:25,410 --> 01:26:28,800 no advertising, all we want is to be able to speak our mind 1342 01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:32,970 speak freely, and do it in an uninterrupted environment. And 1343 01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:35,760 everyone helps with that. Because value for value means 1344 01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:38,610 you contribute back whatever you think this show was worth to 1345 01:26:38,610 --> 01:26:41,310 you. Could be nothing. That's fine. Why you're listening, you 1346 01:26:41,310 --> 01:26:44,730 got to ask, but for some people, maybe it's $5. For some it's 1347 01:26:44,730 --> 01:26:48,330 completely complete different number, different frequency. It 1348 01:26:48,330 --> 01:26:50,970 could just be some time and talent that you hadn't back. 1349 01:26:50,970 --> 01:26:54,000 We're just maybe a note. We do like to thank people who support 1350 01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:56,340 the show financially. You can do it a couple of ways. You can go 1351 01:26:56,340 --> 01:27:00,000 to Moe facts calm. We got a donation page, which can also 1352 01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:04,260 find directly at mo fund me.com and if you're using a podcasting 1353 01:27:04,260 --> 01:27:09,570 2.0 app, then you can you can stream SATs directly to us. You 1354 01:27:09,570 --> 01:27:12,630 can find those at new podcast apps calm now let us thank our 1355 01:27:12,630 --> 01:27:15,090 executive producers and associate executive producers 1356 01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:19,170 for episode number 67. I guess we kick it off right away with 1357 01:27:19,170 --> 01:27:25,530 kiss. Chris Burke's Shot Caller 20 has played on him Paula 1358 01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:32,760 bringing it today. Sir Chris, Vox here Moe and Adam $333.33. I 1359 01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:35,340 just made good on a knighting for no agenda. So I thought it 1360 01:27:35,340 --> 01:27:38,910 was only fitting to spread some of that new money around. I 1361 01:27:38,910 --> 01:27:41,820 started listening to Adam when when I started listening when 1362 01:27:41,820 --> 01:27:45,240 Adam made it in Rogen the second time Oh, that's right. That was 1363 01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:48,720 a tough appearance. The second time, tough appearance. I've 1364 01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:51,660 been listening ever since also consumed all the back issues and 1365 01:27:51,660 --> 01:27:55,950 it's all mind blowing stuff from atonement to Kanye. Mo does not 1366 01:27:55,950 --> 01:27:59,310 disappoint. No jingles no karma. Just keep doing what you do. And 1367 01:27:59,310 --> 01:28:02,550 thank you both for your courage and Thank you, Chris. Appreciate 1368 01:28:02,550 --> 01:28:07,500 that. By the way, Mo I'm kind of hoping one of these days. We'll 1369 01:28:07,500 --> 01:28:08,910 talk about Donda a bit 1370 01:28:10,980 --> 01:28:14,430 yeah Oh, of course we got to have the right backdrop but 1371 01:28:14,430 --> 01:28:17,160 yeah, we definitely could cuz I'm here I was gonna try to 1372 01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:20,730 squeeze in on the potluck when he did this didn't make the cut 1373 01:28:20,730 --> 01:28:23,670 but what do you hear about I'm hearing good things I'm 1374 01:28:23,670 --> 01:28:27,750 hearing really good things and of course I also listened to it 1375 01:28:27,750 --> 01:28:33,900 once it's you know, this I like how it gets you into the kind of 1376 01:28:33,900 --> 01:28:39,060 into the mind control with track one just chant that yeah and see 1377 01:28:39,060 --> 01:28:43,260 what happens alright for a future episode fantastic. Next 1378 01:28:43,260 --> 01:28:47,730 on the list executive producer Jonathan draw ver driver draw 1379 01:28:47,730 --> 01:28:50,580 your is that should that be is that a V driving is 1380 01:28:50,580 --> 01:28:53,400 draw vert is hotspots but House Bill 1381 01:28:54,330 --> 01:28:59,700 167 he says keep educating give everybody some mo karma we love 1382 01:28:59,700 --> 01:29:03,990 doing that. You've got 1383 01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:05,610 Malcolm 1384 01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:11,280 Lang v new 1385 01:29:12,330 --> 01:29:16,050 I think it's when you ama yes when but no no but well wait 1386 01:29:16,440 --> 01:29:21,210 she's affectionately known as Tiger auntie. Oh the show oh and 1387 01:29:21,300 --> 01:29:24,060 very active on on the labs where 1388 01:29:24,059 --> 01:29:28,439 shall we put Tiger on T as the executive producer then or? Yes 1389 01:29:28,709 --> 01:29:33,839 yes yeah Tiger on T okay taking care of T Tiger anti D Tiger 1390 01:29:33,839 --> 01:29:37,049 auntie and you got it? Man I got it. I gotta hook up with these 1391 01:29:37,049 --> 01:29:40,019 lives. That's where all the action is. And we got some cool 1392 01:29:40,019 --> 01:29:45,449 stuff for that too in in the coming months with the secret 1393 01:29:46,529 --> 01:29:49,889 the tiger on T $150. Thank you Tiger Auntie hi mo I think you 1394 01:29:49,889 --> 01:29:52,469 probably have some nights and Dame soon. I want to extend my 1395 01:29:52,469 --> 01:29:55,409 offer again to assist with the production of the mF bling. 1396 01:29:56,279 --> 01:30:01,739 Right? What bling what bling are we getting the reader I run an 1397 01:30:01,739 --> 01:30:06,389 organization from that assists artisans farmers and traditional 1398 01:30:06,389 --> 01:30:09,899 makers with the infrastructure and useful education to empower 1399 01:30:09,899 --> 01:30:13,079 them towards entrepreneurship after Black Butterfly I feel 1400 01:30:13,079 --> 01:30:16,319 good to suggest the design for a butterfly ring for your future 1401 01:30:16,559 --> 01:30:20,009 or your future the dames and a butterfly pin for your future 1402 01:30:20,009 --> 01:30:23,519 Knights that will be large to size up against symbols of other 1403 01:30:23,519 --> 01:30:27,779 monitor monarchies nice you can refer to our previous works here 1404 01:30:27,779 --> 01:30:28,529 and you can see as a 1405 01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:32,910 how he put a link in the YouTube I didn't want to put it in the 1406 01:30:32,910 --> 01:30:36,960 spreadsheet cuz he might mess up all right and let Tiger Ani let 1407 01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:39,120 us know I didn't know if you want to share that link or not 1408 01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:42,750 but I went and checked it out amazing craftsmanship 1409 01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:49,560 craftsmanship handmade stuff it's really really really great 1410 01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:49,950 product 1411 01:30:50,070 --> 01:30:53,250 meet our master artists and who leads the jewelry production I 1412 01:30:53,250 --> 01:30:56,250 will donate all costs relating to sourcing administration 1413 01:30:56,250 --> 01:30:58,890 management design direct artists and cost of material for 1414 01:30:58,890 --> 01:31:01,560 shipping would be what the show is responsible for here to help 1415 01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:04,530 let me know Tiger Antti working through the population of Hanoi 1416 01:31:04,530 --> 01:31:08,700 Hilton. Hey, I love butterfly pins and I'll tell you why both 1417 01:31:08,700 --> 01:31:12,270 my grandmother and my mother every single day of their lives 1418 01:31:12,300 --> 01:31:14,220 wore a butterfly pin on their shoulder 1419 01:31:15,690 --> 01:31:18,450 awesome. Yeah, and I love butterflies too because out here 1420 01:31:18,450 --> 01:31:23,430 in in the country of Virginia, we have tons of them the 1421 01:31:23,430 --> 01:31:25,290 butterflies are very fascinating. 1422 01:31:25,590 --> 01:31:26,220 Beautiful. 1423 01:31:26,580 --> 01:31:26,940 Yeah, 1424 01:31:27,450 --> 01:31:28,500 thank you very much. 1425 01:31:29,340 --> 01:31:31,530 Great now that you like that that whole 1426 01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:35,700 last okay yeah, okay, you got to send me the link I want to see 1427 01:31:35,700 --> 01:31:35,850 it 1428 01:31:36,059 --> 01:31:39,149 Yeah, but I think that we finished your note was there 1429 01:31:39,149 --> 01:31:41,399 anything was there something yeah direct artists and cost 1430 01:31:41,429 --> 01:31:42,149 material 1431 01:31:42,570 --> 01:31:43,350 yeah I read that I 1432 01:31:43,350 --> 01:31:47,160 read i'm saying is that that's that's huge value that's value 1433 01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:49,950 right there. I love it. We definitely will be talking with 1434 01:31:49,950 --> 01:31:53,550 you. And she also offered to do so I remember all these things. 1435 01:31:53,550 --> 01:31:57,810 It's just that time is of the essence right now. But soon 1436 01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:01,350 we'll have more time to get into these other ventures. 1437 01:32:01,380 --> 01:32:05,490 Hey, so far I'm seeing us do a show every two weeks. But that's 1438 01:32:05,490 --> 01:32:06,270 progress. 1439 01:32:06,690 --> 01:32:11,880 tell you I'm a scheduler Malmo planner. So every time we say we 1440 01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:14,190 could do something on this date just let me know now give me a 1441 01:32:14,190 --> 01:32:14,880 date and a time 1442 01:32:15,630 --> 01:32:17,820 yeah took me 60 episodes I figured it out. 1443 01:32:18,930 --> 01:32:20,880 But took my wife many years to figure it out. 1444 01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:25,560 I don't feel bad I don't feel like the 1445 01:32:25,559 --> 01:32:28,529 doctor's appointments now you're going yeah right you're going 1446 01:32:28,529 --> 01:32:28,979 now 1447 01:32:30,570 --> 01:32:35,640 we got Greg Wheeler Jr. With 111 11. And let's see nice note 1448 01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:38,160 here and long one thank you for doing the work that you do. My 1449 01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:40,920 brothers have perspective such as yours in this day and time is 1450 01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:44,370 a blessing truly mean means a great deal. having the courage 1451 01:32:44,370 --> 01:32:47,340 to speak out and take the stance as you do lends courage to souls 1452 01:32:47,340 --> 01:32:50,280 in mind like mine. That feels as though the world is spinning 1453 01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:53,640 this wicked web without most people ever even taken notice of 1454 01:32:53,640 --> 01:32:56,340 it. Knowing that we aren't alone is beyond encouraging and 1455 01:32:56,340 --> 01:32:59,580 reassuring finding your podcast and the no agenda podcast was a 1456 01:32:59,580 --> 01:33:03,450 godsend. We're starting to think I was simply crazy jury's still 1457 01:33:03,450 --> 01:33:08,430 out perhaps on this Yeah, I got that. Song by fire from the gods 1458 01:33:08,430 --> 01:33:11,850 called truth to the week reimagined came to mind today as 1459 01:33:11,850 --> 01:33:14,340 I was listening wondering if you've heard it I personally 1460 01:33:14,340 --> 01:33:17,100 have not on a few you've heard it I haven't either. They're 1461 01:33:17,100 --> 01:33:20,490 closing in on us at my workplace in regards to unclean human 1462 01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:24,150 heathen human resources that haven't taken the jab. You 1463 01:33:24,150 --> 01:33:27,030 having the courage to speak out as someone not giving in gave me 1464 01:33:27,030 --> 01:33:30,120 hope though, I believe that this is a dress rehearsal for 1465 01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:33,930 something else and that is that is about to remove removal of 1466 01:33:33,930 --> 01:33:36,960 certain rights and the rollout of something else and a certain 1467 01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:42,090 desensitization to it I guess he's What are you talking about? 1468 01:33:42,480 --> 01:33:44,160 guns? Probably I think 1469 01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:48,360 yes. I think just it's the test is like what we can we put in 1470 01:33:48,360 --> 01:33:53,190 your body? like yeah, if there's nothing you can do past that. 1471 01:33:53,220 --> 01:33:53,400 Yeah. I 1472 01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:55,800 mean, yeah, once you once you do that, then you're right. I agree 1473 01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:58,740 with that. I have faith in the truth and that we can stand 1474 01:33:58,740 --> 01:34:02,010 through the storm not automatically that we will, that 1475 01:34:02,010 --> 01:34:05,100 we will, but that we will, but simply that we simply that we 1476 01:34:05,100 --> 01:34:08,580 can, and that we can if we stand for each other and with each 1477 01:34:08,580 --> 01:34:11,280 other's brothers and sisters, there's ugly blots riddled 1478 01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:13,590 throughout our history, and our foundation is rotten. The rot 1479 01:34:13,590 --> 01:34:16,320 has spread and is spreading. But there's moments that shine 1480 01:34:16,320 --> 01:34:18,840 through like a light in the dark, long candles in the 1481 01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:21,750 wilderness at the bottom of the chasm. I think that the families 1482 01:34:21,750 --> 01:34:24,270 in Germany and surrounding countries that had Jewish people 1483 01:34:24,270 --> 01:34:27,390 from the Nazi soldiers at their own voluntarily acquired pair 1484 01:34:27,390 --> 01:34:30,180 apparel, and even the Nazi officers that went into their 1485 01:34:30,180 --> 01:34:32,970 own pockets to provide medical care for the inhabitants of the 1486 01:34:32,970 --> 01:34:35,760 camps. Not that it nullifies their actions, but still it 1487 01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:39,870 shows an ounce of humanity. Even in the most vile, Viktor Frankl 1488 01:34:39,870 --> 01:34:42,360 wrote of these happenings. I recall the stories of 1489 01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:45,180 abolitionists of yesterday and today, like groups like 1490 01:34:45,210 --> 01:34:47,610 operation underground railroad that we're saving that are 1491 01:34:47,610 --> 01:34:50,520 saving our children around the world from trafficking, and the 1492 01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:53,970 worst of us and I remember that they're also angels among us, so 1493 01:34:53,970 --> 01:34:57,900 to speak, or maybe so to speak, or maybe literally, jury's out 1494 01:34:57,900 --> 01:35:00,840 on that for me here too, but I trust that There are forces of 1495 01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:04,260 light truth and good if there are forces of evil I know beyond 1496 01:35:04,260 --> 01:35:08,070 a shadow of a doubt that they are indeed here as people or 1497 01:35:08,070 --> 01:35:11,730 otherwise whatever name we are to cast we see the fruits of 1498 01:35:11,730 --> 01:35:15,330 their labor don't wait. I believe so. I think I speak for 1499 01:35:15,330 --> 01:35:18,060 many when I say that you guys are a force for good and voice 1500 01:35:18,060 --> 01:35:21,630 for truth in a moment of mass consenting silence. I just sent 1501 01:35:21,630 --> 01:35:24,690 my first donation yesterday and would greatly appreciate a D 1502 01:35:24,690 --> 01:35:28,050 dead beating and some good good karma for all that are listening 1503 01:35:28,050 --> 01:35:31,110 on your next podcast. Love you guys again. Thank you very much, 1504 01:35:31,110 --> 01:35:34,290 Greg Wheeler. Absolutely. We got a D dead beating. 1505 01:35:35,790 --> 01:35:40,680 Congratulation, you you're no longer a dead bee 1506 01:35:40,710 --> 01:35:43,830 in a very in a very timely note for what we're talking about 1507 01:35:43,830 --> 01:35:44,160 today. 1508 01:35:44,370 --> 01:35:47,010 Absolutely. Thank you so much, Greg. Also, we got to throw out 1509 01:35:47,010 --> 01:35:57,960 some karma there. You've got mocha. Nice No. We got $100 here 1510 01:35:57,990 --> 01:36:01,980 from producer Judy six B will be Judy s. 1511 01:36:02,010 --> 01:36:05,520 g. Another live another live. I see. I remember these names 1512 01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:08,790 Judy. Judy. Yes, 1513 01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:13,260 I love that. All right, Judy. Yes. $100 Thank you gentlemen. 1514 01:36:13,260 --> 01:36:16,410 You both give 100% creating value in what you bring us to 1515 01:36:16,410 --> 01:36:20,460 stretch our perceptions and hold our minds and our minds. Hence 1516 01:36:20,460 --> 01:36:23,640 my $100 donation a little mo karma please. Who knows what 1517 01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:27,630 power that karma holds? Oh, we know what the power is. You've 1518 01:36:27,630 --> 01:36:36,480 got mocha. We know what the power is. Also $100 from Wesley 1519 01:36:36,480 --> 01:36:40,440 Olson who says sweet and simple Keep it coming mo and Adam thank 1520 01:36:40,440 --> 01:36:44,910 you thank you Wesley associate executive producers no I'm sorry 1521 01:36:44,940 --> 01:36:50,580 another executive producer Kylie Kylie Stefano cow Kylie but well 1522 01:36:50,580 --> 01:36:54,630 but it's it's it's Dame girl. I thought I thought we're supposed 1523 01:36:54,630 --> 01:36:56,070 to say I thought we're supposed to 1524 01:36:56,070 --> 01:36:58,710 say Kylie are supposed to say maybe maybe I'm 1525 01:36:59,970 --> 01:37:04,260 I have done this wrong to her so many times it's embarrassing mo 1526 01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:06,510 it's it's embarrassing. 1527 01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:09,780 It throws me because I have like highly it works with me and it 1528 01:37:09,780 --> 01:37:14,640 has an eye in it so that's one of us is right and one of us is 1529 01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:15,990 wrong. 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The extremist ideology of Q anon has 1571 01:39:59,999 --> 01:40:03,569 captured the minds and imaginations of 10s of millions 1572 01:40:03,569 --> 01:40:08,609 of Americans, their core belief, a global cabal, including 1573 01:40:08,609 --> 01:40:12,299 Democrats, hollywood elites, and members of what they call the 1574 01:40:12,299 --> 01:40:16,979 deep state control much of our lives. The Cabal commits 1575 01:40:17,099 --> 01:40:22,079 atrocities including pedophilia, Satan worship and cannibalizing 1576 01:40:22,079 --> 01:40:26,159 children, but it will be vanquished by Donald Trump and 1577 01:40:26,159 --> 01:40:31,559 an apocalyptic day called the storm. Q anon was born when an 1578 01:40:31,559 --> 01:40:36,359 anonymous character named Q, began posting cryptic riddles in 1579 01:40:36,359 --> 01:40:40,169 an online forum known for hosting hateful and racist 1580 01:40:40,169 --> 01:40:45,509 content. The movement prospered in pandemic isolation. Its 1581 01:40:45,509 --> 01:40:49,799 followers occasionally erupting an acts of violence, culminating 1582 01:40:49,829 --> 01:40:54,119 in the assault on the Capitol. But the prophesied storm never 1583 01:40:54,119 --> 01:40:59,129 happened. Instead, Donald Trump left office and Q anon followers 1584 01:40:59,129 --> 01:41:03,479 have found themselves at a moment of truth, the story will 1585 01:41:03,479 --> 01:41:04,559 continue in a moment. 1586 01:41:05,460 --> 01:41:09,030 The only thing the only thing I don't like about that report is 1587 01:41:09,030 --> 01:41:14,460 the blatant lie that it's only democrat politicians. As far as 1588 01:41:14,460 --> 01:41:19,920 I know, the Q anon stuff about, you know, the pedobear. And it 1589 01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:23,550 was politicians any leads, it's it was never Democrats, 1590 01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:26,670 and from what I understand is the One World Government. So I 1591 01:41:26,670 --> 01:41:31,440 mean, it's kind of hard to party to party, one world government, 1592 01:41:31,440 --> 01:41:35,940 but that's the narrative. And what trouble me in this is that 1593 01:41:37,320 --> 01:41:41,940 they kind of lump everything in there. If you believe in a deep 1594 01:41:41,940 --> 01:41:45,060 state, your cue and if you believe in children's being 1595 01:41:45,090 --> 01:41:49,380 trafficking, and trafficking around the world, you're queuing 1596 01:41:49,380 --> 01:41:52,290 on if most of the things we talked about in this on this 1597 01:41:52,290 --> 01:41:56,100 show, people would we could easily be thrown in that group. 1598 01:41:56,970 --> 01:42:00,540 And and they also said that the key point I want to point out in 1599 01:42:00,540 --> 01:42:05,250 this, there were a captive audience. I think what a lot of 1600 01:42:05,250 --> 01:42:09,840 free time, people started doing their own research. And if you 1601 01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:17,370 notice, research has been demonized, like, Oh, god, it's 1602 01:42:17,370 --> 01:42:17,760 not here. 1603 01:42:18,600 --> 01:42:23,160 There was a queue and on people who are debunking the the 1604 01:42:23,160 --> 01:42:26,310 Coronavirus, they do a lot of their own research. 1605 01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:32,160 Right? It's like, I wish I had to bring this up. The big fish 1606 01:42:32,160 --> 01:42:36,270 has landed, the king has been jabbed, LeBron James has 1607 01:42:36,300 --> 01:42:40,890 officially came out and say he's taking the vaccine. And he had 1608 01:42:40,890 --> 01:42:44,610 to make an announcement. And in there he says, After doing my 1609 01:42:44,610 --> 01:42:52,290 own research, always, really, oh, my research is good for you 1610 01:42:52,290 --> 01:42:57,000 saying it's good for the well, it's good if you agree with it. 1611 01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:01,830 Push babies counter the narrative, then it's like, oh, 1612 01:43:01,830 --> 01:43:06,480 no, no, no, you can't do your research, which I think they had 1613 01:43:06,480 --> 01:43:10,980 become a cue now for several reasons. One, I think, when they 1614 01:43:10,980 --> 01:43:15,540 shut down the machine and Hollywood, people dispell broke, 1615 01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:19,230 and people started doing their own research and watching other 1616 01:43:19,260 --> 01:43:28,590 no content. Listening to I hate the word, but all media. And 1617 01:43:28,590 --> 01:43:31,740 that was a problem. And then what also happened is, we 1618 01:43:31,740 --> 01:43:35,430 started seeing celebrities and stars and their top people that 1619 01:43:35,430 --> 01:43:39,780 push the narrative of Hollywood elites. They were normal. We saw 1620 01:43:39,780 --> 01:43:42,450 them in their kitchens, we saw them in their bathrooms, we saw 1621 01:43:42,450 --> 01:43:42,990 them you know, 1622 01:43:43,110 --> 01:43:46,320 all that. All that drugs, the salesman broke a lot of spells, 1623 01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:48,900 man broke a lot of spells. And that was the 1624 01:43:48,900 --> 01:43:51,600 thing is like, Well, how do we get them back in control? Well, 1625 01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:56,190 we make them fear research are looking into things like if you 1626 01:43:56,190 --> 01:43:58,740 bring up you know, anything, and that list of things that we 1627 01:43:58,740 --> 01:44:04,290 listed all your q&a? Yeah, just deep into q&a. Which is the 1628 01:44:04,290 --> 01:44:07,560 similar way with it's in reverse of what they've done what we 1629 01:44:07,560 --> 01:44:11,400 listed in the first part of the show. Have they lump everybody 1630 01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:17,430 in together by these loosely based, like you said, If you 1631 01:44:17,430 --> 01:44:20,550 believe in a deep state, which deep state is a common use term 1632 01:44:20,550 --> 01:44:24,390 by a politician? Yeah. But if you believe in it, you're 1633 01:44:24,390 --> 01:44:29,070 queueing on that kind of thing. They talk about the deep state 1634 01:44:29,070 --> 01:44:32,130 they talk about the One World Government they talk about kids 1635 01:44:32,130 --> 01:44:36,660 being trafficking, trafficking. Those kinds of things. So it's 1636 01:44:36,660 --> 01:44:39,900 just it's weird that they did this, but it gets even worse 1637 01:44:39,900 --> 01:44:43,470 with the whole qR thing. Um, let's just go ahead and get into 1638 01:44:43,470 --> 01:44:44,100 part two. 1639 01:44:44,400 --> 01:44:47,970 Joe Biden get sworn in. And you started seeing chatter online. 1640 01:44:47,970 --> 01:44:50,610 I've been caught. This has all been a scam and they were out, 1641 01:44:50,790 --> 01:44:54,300 which is great. That that is rare for radicalized 1642 01:44:54,300 --> 01:44:54,900 individuals. 1643 01:44:55,140 --> 01:44:58,980 Elizabeth Newman was in charge of policy to counter domestic 1644 01:44:58,980 --> 01:45:02,640 extremism and The Department of Homeland Security in the Trump 1645 01:45:02,640 --> 01:45:06,660 administration, the prophecies did not happen. The storm didn't 1646 01:45:06,660 --> 01:45:12,240 happen. Is there an opportunity right now to, as we say, off 1647 01:45:12,240 --> 01:45:13,890 ramp some of these people? 1648 01:45:14,010 --> 01:45:17,820 Absolutely. For many of us, it was a light switch effect. But 1649 01:45:17,820 --> 01:45:21,090 for others, you see them struggling. They're trying to 1650 01:45:21,090 --> 01:45:23,460 make sense of it. And so they're very vulnerable right now 1651 01:45:23,460 --> 01:45:26,670 they're vulnerable to being convinced about some of these 1652 01:45:26,700 --> 01:45:30,780 newer theories. There's a new one that March 4, March 4 is the 1653 01:45:30,780 --> 01:45:33,090 day that President Trump is going to return and he's going 1654 01:45:33,090 --> 01:45:34,830 to be president again, if we're 1655 01:45:34,830 --> 01:45:39,570 at a moment where some of these people are disillusioned, and 1656 01:45:39,600 --> 01:45:45,690 maybe open to new ideas are far right extremists, white 1657 01:45:45,690 --> 01:45:50,730 supremacist, even neo nazis jumping in to this breach right 1658 01:45:50,730 --> 01:45:54,810 now and trying to peel them off and radicalize them even more. 1659 01:45:55,530 --> 01:46:01,530 Yes, they see opportunity. They have been posting guides on how 1660 01:46:01,530 --> 01:46:06,450 to approach a disheartened q&a non adherent making clear that 1661 01:46:06,450 --> 01:46:08,880 you don't want to make fun of their ideology you don't want to 1662 01:46:09,330 --> 01:46:13,560 be too direct about your white supremacist views you want to be 1663 01:46:13,560 --> 01:46:14,370 empathetic 1664 01:46:19,950 --> 01:46:23,640 which I missed this the whole time I didn't I just caught this 1665 01:46:23,640 --> 01:46:28,350 when I was doing these clips storm the capital the storm 1666 01:46:30,360 --> 01:46:31,680 yeah 1667 01:46:32,370 --> 01:46:35,490 no I'm just saying that's why I think they use that term storm 1668 01:46:35,490 --> 01:46:37,140 the capital Oh, is that 1669 01:46:38,520 --> 01:46:39,210 right right 1670 01:46:39,240 --> 01:46:43,020 oh yeah 1671 01:46:45,480 --> 01:46:45,960 yeah 1672 01:46:48,030 --> 01:46:52,950 i was like that's a weird thing to say right or you know it was 1673 01:46:52,950 --> 01:46:55,830 your storm they storm the Capitol they storm the storm 1674 01:46:55,830 --> 01:46:56,220 shot you 1675 01:46:56,220 --> 01:47:00,090 going mom good catch. Yeah, so I found 1676 01:47:00,090 --> 01:47:03,570 that just fascinating but now it's like we're there you know, 1677 01:47:03,570 --> 01:47:06,810 they're nomads we know where to place to go and they're right 1678 01:47:06,810 --> 01:47:14,670 for the being inducted into white supremacy which q anon was 1679 01:47:14,970 --> 01:47:19,830 all different people I play clips from the show where it was 1680 01:47:19,830 --> 01:47:23,400 spreading throughout the quote unquote urban community I mean, 1681 01:47:23,400 --> 01:47:27,120 we heard it on urban radio stations being discussed and the 1682 01:47:27,120 --> 01:47:30,900 boulais and puff puffy in you know, other black celebrities 1683 01:47:30,900 --> 01:47:37,830 was part of it. So it was I said they I think they want it some 1684 01:47:37,830 --> 01:47:41,910 way to get people back in line to say, if it doesn't come from 1685 01:47:41,910 --> 01:47:47,790 your television screen from a big network then it's fake phony 1686 01:47:48,060 --> 01:47:53,490 is no as dangerous is dangerous night You know, you don't want 1687 01:47:53,490 --> 01:47:56,820 to you know, get off media. No, no, no, no, he didn't. And that 1688 01:47:56,820 --> 01:48:00,120 causes a causes white supremacy, you know, that kind of thing is 1689 01:48:01,680 --> 01:48:03,750 Yeah, we just talked about elder right when 1690 01:48:03,750 --> 01:48:06,360 you're doing your research causes white supremacy, you 1691 01:48:06,360 --> 01:48:07,320 don't want to catch it. 1692 01:48:08,010 --> 01:48:10,980 Right. And it's like that white supremacists are empathetic to 1693 01:48:10,980 --> 01:48:17,010 the q&a. listeners, but what really troubled me was the 1694 01:48:17,070 --> 01:48:20,730 impact that it has on parents, don't family, families, 1695 01:48:21,420 --> 01:48:24,540 families, parents. And we see the same thing with the Vax 1696 01:48:24,900 --> 01:48:28,860 situation that is divided families. Um, but I have some 1697 01:48:28,860 --> 01:48:33,390 clips here again for 16 minutes, and listen to how they talk 1698 01:48:33,390 --> 01:48:35,730 about how it destroyed families, 1699 01:48:36,570 --> 01:48:39,510 that their loved ones who they said have fallen into keune on 1700 01:48:39,510 --> 01:48:43,170 conspiracies are very much alive. And in order to protect 1701 01:48:43,170 --> 01:48:47,670 their privacy, we aren't sharing their last names. Wheeler is a 1702 01:48:47,670 --> 01:48:51,570 28 year old Army veteran who said he now struggles to connect 1703 01:48:51,570 --> 01:48:54,540 with his parents because of what he described as their 1704 01:48:54,540 --> 01:48:57,690 fascination with conspiracy theories. It's been 1705 01:48:57,690 --> 01:49:03,930 a very slow death of the people that I once knew. Now I don't 1706 01:49:03,930 --> 01:49:08,100 recognize them. And in a way that's been more painful, 1707 01:49:08,610 --> 01:49:13,440 because I haven't been able to fully grieve at any point. 1708 01:49:14,009 --> 01:49:18,719 Wheeler served as an army medic for two years. He was stationed 1709 01:49:18,719 --> 01:49:22,529 at Fort Hood in 2014 when a gunman killed three of his 1710 01:49:22,529 --> 01:49:26,129 fellow soldiers and injured 12 before turning the gun on 1711 01:49:26,129 --> 01:49:26,909 himself. 1712 01:49:27,419 --> 01:49:30,149 It was frightening. It was traumatizing in a way. 1713 01:49:30,450 --> 01:49:34,500 Wheeler was discharged in 2015. He told us he didn't open up to 1714 01:49:34,500 --> 01:49:38,280 his parents right away, and only over time, gave more details 1715 01:49:38,280 --> 01:49:40,980 about what he said he'd experienced during the shooting. 1716 01:49:41,550 --> 01:49:45,210 But he said the parents he returned home too had become 1717 01:49:45,240 --> 01:49:49,020 more paranoid as they started being influenced by conspiracy 1718 01:49:49,020 --> 01:49:52,470 theories. And they began to doubt his account of what he 1719 01:49:52,470 --> 01:49:53,550 didn't heard that day. 1720 01:49:54,060 --> 01:49:56,520 When I told them I was there for that shooting, and I told them 1721 01:49:56,520 --> 01:50:01,830 what I had experienced. It was whiplash to me Because I was met 1722 01:50:01,860 --> 01:50:07,890 with a distant icy neglect so the Q anon conspiracies that he 1723 01:50:07,890 --> 01:50:12,300 started following made him degrade into more of an angry 1724 01:50:12,510 --> 01:50:18,990 more abusive more distant person who now doesn't even really 1725 01:50:18,990 --> 01:50:22,290 believe I don't think anything that I've said about my military 1726 01:50:22,290 --> 01:50:22,920 service 1727 01:50:23,070 --> 01:50:26,130 How does it feel to have your parents not believe it happened 1728 01:50:26,250 --> 01:50:26,820 a betrayal 1729 01:50:28,830 --> 01:50:36,690 wow I know people who are 100% I'll just I mean they say enough 1730 01:50:36,690 --> 01:50:39,630 things that I know that they that they have followed a lot of 1731 01:50:39,630 --> 01:50:44,310 Q anon very smart people very commercially successful people 1732 01:50:44,370 --> 01:50:50,820 usually people who run business like retail but but what's 1733 01:50:50,880 --> 01:50:58,290 interesting is that they've it's almost like they left let's see 1734 01:50:58,290 --> 01:51:01,200 if I can say this right like they left the the entertainment 1735 01:51:01,200 --> 01:51:05,130 that is television news or cable news and went to the 1736 01:51:05,130 --> 01:51:09,870 entertainment that is q anon now they they're not you know they 1737 01:51:09,900 --> 01:51:12,930 hi remember a specific like well you know August it could happen 1738 01:51:12,930 --> 01:51:17,070 you know Trump could come back but but then they're not crazy 1739 01:51:17,610 --> 01:51:23,130 but these two it's the two of them are both are into it but 1740 01:51:23,130 --> 01:51:25,320 when you have a split in the family which was already 1741 01:51:25,320 --> 01:51:28,860 happening with Fox News by the way just the fact that your your 1742 01:51:28,860 --> 01:51:32,970 parents or your dad would watch fox news was enough to want to 1743 01:51:32,970 --> 01:51:36,480 leave the house and not want to go to Thanksgiving dinner so 1744 01:51:36,480 --> 01:51:41,730 this is this is a complete really we got orange man bad and 1745 01:51:41,730 --> 01:51:45,540 they just ripped open our amygdalas and through this crap 1746 01:51:45,540 --> 01:51:48,540 in and I think at this point it's easy you can just toy with 1747 01:51:48,540 --> 01:51:53,070 him like oh just add this add this a little bit and his q1 on 1748 01:51:53,100 --> 01:51:54,300 now was perfect was 1749 01:51:54,300 --> 01:51:57,750 perfect. That's why I laid out the first part of the show like 1750 01:51:57,750 --> 01:52:03,810 I did you get into people's and they use the word ideology right 1751 01:52:03,810 --> 01:52:07,860 where you start to question everything because reality is so 1752 01:52:08,130 --> 01:52:12,780 bizarre if you say six week cycle that somebody will say 1753 01:52:12,780 --> 01:52:12,960 that's 1754 01:52:16,290 --> 01:52:19,710 just another word for conspiracy theory now it's a it's a synonym 1755 01:52:20,580 --> 01:52:23,790 that's my point. It's like it's not about Q and those kind of 1756 01:52:23,790 --> 01:52:28,830 things. If anytime you question the mainstream it's a brand 1757 01:52:28,980 --> 01:52:32,670 right anytime you question What about texting or your q&a? a 1758 01:52:32,700 --> 01:52:38,220 nice easy way easy way to do it yeah Steve was killed in a jail 1759 01:52:38,220 --> 01:52:42,870 cell he was convicted No no no, that sounds like q anon stuff so 1760 01:52:42,870 --> 01:52:47,400 it's like who's really not living in reality you know it's 1761 01:52:47,460 --> 01:52:52,800 it's but it's the perfect wage because like you said it's all 1762 01:52:52,800 --> 01:52:58,050 about what media you consume to you know to divide and that's 1763 01:52:58,050 --> 01:53:00,810 their whole point is go back to the binary thing again Yeah, 1764 01:53:00,870 --> 01:53:06,420 it's not it's totally it's about okay once zeros it's like either 1765 01:53:07,530 --> 01:53:11,640 1000 sealed indictments or you know everything is is a big lie 1766 01:53:11,670 --> 01:53:17,910 You know, or a cure not a conspiracy theory so the reason 1767 01:53:17,910 --> 01:53:22,170 why this troubles me is is how it it we talked about 1768 01:53:22,200 --> 01:53:26,850 infiltration to organizations this thing infiltrated the house 1769 01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:31,470 the home the family the where people can't even communicate 1770 01:53:31,470 --> 01:53:37,380 with each other anymore and I just find it very troubling um, 1771 01:53:37,890 --> 01:53:43,860 when you know it's like all it like says binary right? All of 1772 01:53:43,860 --> 01:53:46,650 the media or you believe none of the media it's like how about we 1773 01:53:46,680 --> 01:53:49,260 go case by case and see what we believe or don't believe 1774 01:53:49,950 --> 01:53:53,340 the same as for Vax, anti Vax, this is splitting families 1775 01:53:53,340 --> 01:53:57,360 apart. This is splitting relationships apart. Same thing, 1776 01:53:57,360 --> 01:53:57,720 which that's 1777 01:53:57,720 --> 01:54:00,390 what that's why I have a problem with binary thing. I mean, that 1778 01:54:00,390 --> 01:54:05,040 is a pet peeve of mine. And and if you come to the lab, I have a 1779 01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:08,970 real issue with extremist now extremists are needed, you know, 1780 01:54:08,970 --> 01:54:12,330 because that's what sets the the boundaries of our society, 1781 01:54:12,330 --> 01:54:15,480 right? You have a stream of one and a stream on the right you 1782 01:54:15,480 --> 01:54:19,350 have politici politically, you have your super liberal people, 1783 01:54:19,350 --> 01:54:22,830 you have your super conservative people. Yeah, but that is when 1784 01:54:22,830 --> 01:54:26,370 you look at a bell curve that should be a very small portion 1785 01:54:26,370 --> 01:54:30,780 of society. Now the thing is blue out is to the point where 1786 01:54:31,110 --> 01:54:34,710 he is all on one side or on the other and you just had to bleep 1787 01:54:34,740 --> 01:54:38,010 everything whole cloth. So this is the real reason why I'm gonna 1788 01:54:38,010 --> 01:54:43,740 get into like, the real like the real depth of this show, and the 1789 01:54:43,740 --> 01:54:49,080 purpose of it because this is a public service announcement. I 1790 01:54:49,080 --> 01:54:53,670 say that in jazz, but there's some truth to that because put 1791 01:54:53,670 --> 01:54:58,560 the phone down, put the phone down both both sides, put it 1792 01:54:58,560 --> 01:55:03,630 down and just talk to him. Okay, this is okay. Let's get to the 1793 01:55:03,630 --> 01:55:04,590 second part of it clue. 1794 01:55:04,859 --> 01:55:07,859 Wheeler connected us with his parents who firmly denied their 1795 01:55:07,859 --> 01:55:11,909 son's account of their belief in Q anon. wheelers. Father said he 1796 01:55:11,909 --> 01:55:15,089 doesn't have enough information to verify his son's experience 1797 01:55:15,089 --> 01:55:19,049 at Fort Hood that day, and was skeptical of what he saw as 1798 01:55:19,049 --> 01:55:22,859 changing accounts by Wheeler. He said the two haven't talked much 1799 01:55:22,859 --> 01:55:28,319 in the past year. The six people who joined us came from Alaska, 1800 01:55:28,529 --> 01:55:34,769 Kentucky, Georgia, Maryland, North Dakota, and Canada. They 1801 01:55:34,769 --> 01:55:39,059 all had different stories with a similar theme, the devastation 1802 01:55:39,059 --> 01:55:41,129 of families caused by Q and 1803 01:55:41,130 --> 01:55:44,640 on going over a year since I've talked to my dad. So like he 1804 01:55:44,670 --> 01:55:45,420 Elizabeth said 1805 01:55:45,420 --> 01:55:48,000 her father was her main support when she was struggling with 1806 01:55:48,000 --> 01:55:51,690 depression, anxiety, even thoughts of suicide. 1807 01:55:51,990 --> 01:55:58,050 Like he was the person that stopped me from going through 1808 01:55:58,050 --> 01:56:02,730 with it all in the end. And from about 16 to 2020 was about the 1809 01:56:02,730 --> 01:56:07,290 last one that I really was sitting there, contemplating 1810 01:56:07,290 --> 01:56:10,770 this and ultimately pulled myself back thinking about my 1811 01:56:10,770 --> 01:56:13,260 dad getting the phone call that his daughter had passed away. 1812 01:56:14,100 --> 01:56:17,400 And that was also about the time that everything started to get 1813 01:56:17,400 --> 01:56:18,240 really bad, 1814 01:56:18,299 --> 01:56:21,899 so bad that Elizabeth says a year ago, she had to cut off 1815 01:56:21,899 --> 01:56:25,469 communications with her father. She said he inundated her with 1816 01:56:25,469 --> 01:56:28,559 Facebook messages and text messages peddling conspiracy 1817 01:56:28,559 --> 01:56:31,649 theories. Although she told us she later connected those 1818 01:56:31,649 --> 01:56:35,819 conspiracies to Q anon. She said her father denied knowing what q 1819 01:56:35,819 --> 01:56:36,749 anon is 1820 01:56:39,660 --> 01:56:43,260 both both sets of parents and I'm not queuing on Yeah, yeah, 1821 01:56:43,260 --> 01:56:47,730 I'm just question and what this is a product of is the fake 1822 01:56:47,730 --> 01:56:53,310 news. A lot of people realize that the news is fake, it's it's 1823 01:56:53,310 --> 01:57:00,720 manufactured and I could easily The reason Let me explain what 1824 01:57:00,720 --> 01:57:04,560 I'm saying. I could easily be a type of person that would 1825 01:57:04,560 --> 01:57:09,180 believe the media because my dad was sitting me down like son sit 1826 01:57:09,180 --> 01:57:11,880 out here and learn something see what's going on with the world 1827 01:57:11,910 --> 01:57:15,930 you know, and we watch the local news and then you know, Dan 1828 01:57:15,930 --> 01:57:19,920 Rather was his guy you know, before Jeopardy and Wheel of 1829 01:57:19,920 --> 01:57:22,320 Fortune came home that was the routine that was the nightly 1830 01:57:22,320 --> 01:57:25,320 routine and it was like to be informed you have to watch the 1831 01:57:25,320 --> 01:57:30,690 news well here comes out 45 savage and he says fake news 1832 01:57:31,050 --> 01:57:35,760 when he says that it's like they just stick kept stepping on 1833 01:57:35,760 --> 01:57:41,760 rakes and proving his point that the news is fake it is 1834 01:57:41,760 --> 01:57:46,200 manufactured it is doctored is you know and then you know you 1835 01:57:46,200 --> 01:57:50,790 have these stories come out like with the news guy that's like in 1836 01:57:50,790 --> 01:57:54,240 the boat and it's in like four inches of water. You have the 1837 01:57:54,240 --> 01:57:57,210 clips where like all the local news stations are saying the 1838 01:57:57,210 --> 01:58:00,600 same exact thing across all the affiliates I mean, these are 1839 01:58:00,600 --> 01:58:03,780 some of the memes that came around about right that show 1840 01:58:03,780 --> 01:58:08,520 that the news is manufactured now and then not you couple that 1841 01:58:08,520 --> 01:58:12,600 with what happened like say with 911 911 was a huge wake up call 1842 01:58:12,600 --> 01:58:17,370 for a lot of people because it's like I don't you want me to 1843 01:58:17,370 --> 01:58:22,260 believe what my eyes What you say? Not my eyes? Oh, yeah. You 1844 01:58:22,260 --> 01:58:25,170 know that was written in at 1845 01:58:25,530 --> 01:58:29,610 least pay no attention to wt c seven. 1846 01:58:30,599 --> 01:58:34,889 That's that's what you know what? Or what I always get them 1847 01:58:34,889 --> 01:58:40,859 when I mean not to get them in a bad way. But question and for 1848 01:58:40,859 --> 01:58:43,529 the conspiracy theorists out there. If you want to 1849 01:58:43,529 --> 01:58:48,359 successfully reach somebody, or you know, ask them a question. 1850 01:58:48,809 --> 01:58:52,079 Don't inundate them with a bunch of information because I think 1851 01:58:52,079 --> 01:58:58,529 the real problem here is one size brain shut down. From you 1852 01:58:58,529 --> 01:59:02,849 know, just being bombarded with too much. Too much. wokeness at 1853 01:59:02,849 --> 01:59:06,299 one time, it's like Whoa, whoa, whoa, what is like cuz if you 1854 01:59:06,299 --> 01:59:10,289 ever met like a real conspiracy theorist, and they hit you with 1855 01:59:10,289 --> 01:59:16,169 that od that overdose of truth. If you can see people bring my 1856 01:59:16,169 --> 01:59:19,409 friend you bet your brain fries. Yeah. Right. And then what that 1857 01:59:19,409 --> 01:59:22,739 does is like, No, I want to be safe. So I'm gonna go back to 1858 01:59:22,739 --> 01:59:25,319 believe in whatever the narrative is like, No, no, no, I 1859 01:59:25,319 --> 01:59:28,049 can't. I can't digest that. A lot of people will tell you what 1860 01:59:28,049 --> 01:59:30,389 say that. Like, no, I can't I can't digest that 1861 01:59:30,420 --> 01:59:33,540 choice. I just want to go back because q1 on I think is just 1862 01:59:33,570 --> 01:59:38,520 another version of what I think the CIA admittedly started they 1863 01:59:38,520 --> 01:59:42,600 admittedly started the whole concept of a conspiracy theory 1864 01:59:42,990 --> 01:59:47,550 around the JFK assassination. We have been here before Yes, we 1865 01:59:47,550 --> 01:59:53,010 have. And but but you are absolutely right that with the 1866 01:59:53,070 --> 01:59:57,630 advance of cable news and internet and and just the 1867 01:59:57,630 --> 02:00:01,800 proliferation of media itself. It's I think it just became 1868 02:00:01,830 --> 02:00:05,520 easier and you know what they tried the fact check. Well fact 1869 02:00:05,520 --> 02:00:08,520 check fact check factor and everyone now, you know, the fact 1870 02:00:08,520 --> 02:00:11,970 checking is fallen. So by the wayside we've seen in the past 1871 02:00:12,000 --> 02:00:15,180 two weeks, the hunter Biden laptop, oh, yeah, that's 1872 02:00:15,180 --> 02:00:19,530 absolutely true. And the in the past two months, we've seen the 1873 02:00:19,560 --> 02:00:23,910 Wu Han lab versus the wet market, which has been there for 1874 02:00:23,910 --> 02:00:27,330 hundreds of years. So both of those things, people were D 1875 02:00:27,330 --> 02:00:30,690 flat, D platformed. It was fact check false. That couldn't be 1876 02:00:30,690 --> 02:00:35,430 true. And now it turns out it is true that I think, and also the, 1877 02:00:35,880 --> 02:00:40,800 the excessive amount of fact checking labels and crap that's 1878 02:00:40,800 --> 02:00:45,840 on everything has rendered that almost useless. So they, they 1879 02:00:45,870 --> 02:00:50,130 and I'm just gonna say CIA, I think I think it's 100% CIA will 1880 02:00:50,130 --> 02:00:53,670 bring an FBI, you know, the two sides of the same coin don't 1881 02:00:53,700 --> 02:00:57,960 always get along, that are doing this, that are just continuously 1882 02:00:57,960 --> 02:01:01,920 pushing a new message, and they've tightened it and, man, 1883 02:01:01,920 --> 02:01:05,820 the, the political parties did a great job because, you know, 1884 02:01:05,820 --> 02:01:08,850 once Trump came in, you know, remember there's another group 1885 02:01:08,850 --> 02:01:12,270 of people, which is the same thing is trumpers Trump 1886 02:01:12,270 --> 02:01:17,040 supporters, Trump voters magga all of this is being rammed into 1887 02:01:17,040 --> 02:01:20,640 your head or into they're trying to ram it in everyone's head 1888 02:01:20,700 --> 02:01:24,390 mainly through mainstream mainstream messaging, which, 1889 02:01:24,840 --> 02:01:29,010 oddly enough doesn't really even have such huge numbers anymore. 1890 02:01:29,760 --> 02:01:34,260 You know, MSNBC cnn in their primetime is less than half a 1891 02:01:34,260 --> 02:01:36,300 million people are watching 1892 02:01:36,870 --> 02:01:41,910 you have several youtubers combined. That's it that flip on 1893 02:01:41,910 --> 02:01:47,820 their live Yep, and out of the water and pool seeing in numbers 1894 02:01:48,120 --> 02:01:51,180 and I don't even believe like I said you turn off the gyms you 1895 02:01:51,180 --> 02:01:53,730 turn off the airports you turn I mean like those 1896 02:01:55,290 --> 02:01:56,670 viewers left yeah then it's done 1897 02:01:57,390 --> 02:02:02,940 right? This was the end you have on the other hand I can go and 1898 02:02:02,940 --> 02:02:06,810 pull 150 people on alive I mean like that's a lot of people I 1899 02:02:06,810 --> 02:02:10,800 mean if you really I mean we've got so caught up in the millions 1900 02:02:11,340 --> 02:02:15,330 if you can gather 150 200 I think you know agenda show y'all 1901 02:02:15,330 --> 02:02:17,370 do y'all Oh gee live 1902 02:02:19,290 --> 02:02:22,380 about two and a half 1000 2002 and a half 1000 1903 02:02:22,410 --> 02:02:28,920 that's a lot of people I mean come alive Yeah, that converge? 1904 02:02:29,340 --> 02:02:33,630 And no no big cameras no fancy none of their spells none of the 1905 02:02:33,630 --> 02:02:37,350 magic none of the you know what people really tune in for that 1906 02:02:37,350 --> 02:02:42,060 big TV screen right behind people in the suits in the you 1907 02:02:42,060 --> 02:02:45,570 know the makeup and that kind of stuff um, they're losing their 1908 02:02:45,570 --> 02:02:49,860 way but so they had to have q&a and everything else you are not 1909 02:02:49,860 --> 02:02:50,220 sound like 1910 02:02:50,220 --> 02:02:54,450 a drug but but there is one there is one additional thing 1911 02:02:54,720 --> 02:03:01,080 because a lot of the alternative media alternate media is playing 1912 02:03:01,110 --> 02:03:05,880 and we do the same obviously, we're playing mainstream so at 1913 02:03:05,880 --> 02:03:10,020 like Fox News plays a lot of stuff that they then comment on 1914 02:03:10,050 --> 02:03:13,020 that is comes from the other guys so they're really promoting 1915 02:03:13,020 --> 02:03:16,920 everything you're giving this head galleon dialectic choice. 1916 02:03:18,180 --> 02:03:23,310 And really, YouTube, but also Twitter and Instagram. That's 1917 02:03:23,310 --> 02:03:25,620 where a lot of the mainstream stories that's where the clip 1918 02:03:25,620 --> 02:03:29,100 service goes in. And that's, that's become very important for 1919 02:03:29,100 --> 02:03:32,970 this for this loop. They can see and on what what's on those 1920 02:03:32,970 --> 02:03:36,330 clips, mega mega mega Trump or Trump or Q and on cue and on 1921 02:03:36,330 --> 02:03:39,690 antivaxxers and on DVDs go on and on and on. 1922 02:03:40,470 --> 02:03:46,020 But on the same time, they're so ham handed, that they just give 1923 02:03:46,020 --> 02:03:54,990 you more material. It's they they so so far out to whatever 1924 02:03:54,990 --> 02:03:57,810 their advertisers and now this is where the advertisers come in 1925 02:03:57,810 --> 02:04:03,450 at. The real power of us is the producers. Because all we have 1926 02:04:03,450 --> 02:04:05,940 to do is come here and sell what we understand what we hear and 1927 02:04:05,940 --> 02:04:08,670 see. We don't have to worry about like the Boulay phone 1928 02:04:08,670 --> 02:04:14,370 ringing and saying hey, you can't say that right? Yeah. 1929 02:04:15,930 --> 02:04:18,810 You're going way too far once again. 1930 02:04:20,160 --> 02:04:27,840 rely on you. Just so it sanitize everything. And is there kind of 1931 02:04:27,840 --> 02:04:32,280 like robots like Oh, I can't say that. I can't question man. And 1932 02:04:32,280 --> 02:04:35,340 they're slowly losing their celebrities as well. But if you 1933 02:04:35,340 --> 02:04:35,910 don't realize, 1934 02:04:35,940 --> 02:04:39,390 oh, that spells been broken, that spell is broken. I love it. 1935 02:04:39,390 --> 02:04:42,600 I love seeing how the celebrities can't deny they're 1936 02:04:42,600 --> 02:04:45,810 not influencers. It's just not they can't influence anymore. 1937 02:04:45,840 --> 02:04:48,750 They can't get people take the shots. They can't get them to 1938 02:04:48,780 --> 02:04:52,590 look at award shows. over and done with Hollywood is dead. 1939 02:04:53,400 --> 02:04:56,370 Is that but that's the arrogance of it. I Oh yeah, we shut the 1940 02:04:56,370 --> 02:05:01,590 machine off for a year and in the show Come right back. No, 1941 02:05:02,010 --> 02:05:06,090 no, like, we don't care. I don't know. Like I said, I don't only 1942 02:05:06,090 --> 02:05:11,610 thing i watch on television is a handful of TV shows. I mean, 1943 02:05:11,640 --> 02:05:17,490 it's like billions. Couple more. I mean, what it really is, like, 1944 02:05:17,490 --> 02:05:23,430 based in reality is like, those kind of shows, but it's sports, 1945 02:05:24,360 --> 02:05:27,540 and not only watch basketball anymore, and I wouldn't I 1946 02:05:27,540 --> 02:05:31,500 wouldn't watch football. If it wasn't connected me and my 11 1947 02:05:31,500 --> 02:05:33,660 other friends in a fantasy league, right? It's like 1948 02:05:33,660 --> 02:05:39,930 everything. Everything has changed. We don't care what's on 1949 02:05:39,930 --> 02:05:45,840 TV, unless it's about us. You know? And like I said, that's a 1950 02:05:45,840 --> 02:05:49,350 real, that's a real problem to them. Yeah. So I know people say 1951 02:05:49,350 --> 02:05:52,590 are you saying going to be a PSA? Alright, so I have the 1952 02:05:52,590 --> 02:05:56,400 vaccine. For this binary thinking. 1953 02:05:57,120 --> 02:06:03,180 Let me describe five levels of listening itself. You might say 1954 02:06:03,180 --> 02:06:08,730 it's a continuum of listening. The lowest level is to not 1955 02:06:08,730 --> 02:06:11,550 listen at all, we could almost use the word you ignore 1956 02:06:11,550 --> 02:06:14,490 somebody, you're not even there hardly at all. You're just into 1957 02:06:14,490 --> 02:06:19,560 your own world or whatever. The second level, is you pretend to 1958 02:06:19,560 --> 02:06:25,260 listen. You may learn the body language and give the you know, 1959 02:06:25,530 --> 02:06:29,220 even the mimicking responses of the last person sentence. 1960 02:06:29,280 --> 02:06:30,390 It's called being married. 1961 02:06:31,500 --> 02:06:36,990 The third level is to listen selectively. You are really 1962 02:06:36,990 --> 02:06:43,560 hearing. Oh, yeah, that reminds me. Let me share. Oh, I agree 1963 02:06:43,560 --> 02:06:47,130 with that. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, what you said back there, I know 1964 02:06:47,130 --> 02:06:50,310 exactly what you mean, I've had the same kind of experience. 1965 02:06:50,520 --> 02:06:55,530 Well, I don't know about that. I mean, you did understand. But 1966 02:06:55,530 --> 02:06:58,680 your mind is so into your own hot buttons, that you're 1967 02:06:58,680 --> 02:07:02,130 listening always in terms of those buttons and those 1968 02:07:02,130 --> 02:07:06,810 interests. But you did understand. The fourth level is 1969 02:07:06,810 --> 02:07:14,550 to listen attentively. You're really giving full attention out 1970 02:07:14,550 --> 02:07:19,290 of real sincerity, that takes a lot of energy, really to attend 1971 02:07:19,290 --> 02:07:26,700 to another. But still, you're into your head. The fifth is to 1972 02:07:26,700 --> 02:07:31,950 listen empathically to leave your head to get into their head 1973 02:07:32,640 --> 02:07:33,420 and their heart. 1974 02:07:34,950 --> 02:07:36,390 Oh, that's good. Where's this from? 1975 02:07:37,080 --> 02:07:42,300 This is Dr. Stephen R. Covey, my main man for the Seven Habits of 1976 02:07:42,300 --> 02:07:47,970 Highly Effective People, ah, and it's empathetic listening. 1977 02:07:48,660 --> 02:07:52,410 That's the vaccine. And that's what we do on the show. We come 1978 02:07:52,410 --> 02:07:56,130 here not we're not just attentive to each other. We come 1979 02:07:56,130 --> 02:07:59,070 to listen to each other. I want to get in your head, you want to 1980 02:07:59,070 --> 02:08:01,860 get my head, like what makes? You know, why do you think that 1981 02:08:01,860 --> 02:08:04,860 way? Why don't we just the follow up questions. And this is 1982 02:08:04,860 --> 02:08:07,800 based off one of the seven habits of seek first to 1983 02:08:07,800 --> 02:08:11,250 understand then to be understood. That's the vaccine 1984 02:08:11,250 --> 02:08:13,770 to this, folks. That's it. And it's 1985 02:08:13,770 --> 02:08:18,240 it's really hard. It's really, really hard for a lot of people. 1986 02:08:18,240 --> 02:08:25,080 And I know, I so I see all five of those levels, just by the 1987 02:08:25,080 --> 02:08:28,950 feedback we get from the podcast. Yep. Yeah, it's like, 1988 02:08:28,950 --> 02:08:33,780 Wow, did did you hear it that way? Like, you thought I said, 1989 02:08:33,780 --> 02:08:39,000 What is really interesting? But yeah, level five is where we 1990 02:08:39,000 --> 02:08:41,940 want to be. And it's, it's tough. It's, it's very 1991 02:08:41,940 --> 02:08:42,690 difficult. 1992 02:08:44,130 --> 02:08:47,370 But I don't think it is. 1993 02:08:47,730 --> 02:08:50,250 I think a lot of people find it very challenging. There's so 1994 02:08:50,250 --> 02:08:53,610 many distractions just to look at someone and listen to what 1995 02:08:53,610 --> 02:08:54,000 they're saying. 1996 02:08:54,030 --> 02:08:57,480 That's the point, right? The distractions, man, you can just 1997 02:08:57,480 --> 02:09:01,740 sit here for three, three and a half hours, less full Eclipse, 1998 02:09:02,070 --> 02:09:04,980 two microphones, and we listen to each other. You're in 1999 02:09:06,030 --> 02:09:08,850 my head, you're literally on my head loud, too. 2000 02:09:09,150 --> 02:09:14,700 Right? I'm not gonna I'm not sitting here waiting for my turn 2001 02:09:14,700 --> 02:09:19,860 to talk. You know, it's like, you ask follow up questions. No, 2002 02:09:19,860 --> 02:09:23,880 did you? We use analogies and those kinds of things. But it's, 2003 02:09:24,300 --> 02:09:27,240 I'm not coming here just to talk. I'm coming here to listen 2004 02:09:27,240 --> 02:09:30,600 to understand, you know, and you're like, Well, I didn't see 2005 02:09:30,600 --> 02:09:34,650 it that way. Obviously, if you say you've heard me now, if you 2006 02:09:34,650 --> 02:09:37,890 understood what I said, but I'm just saying this is what we need 2007 02:09:37,890 --> 02:09:42,810 to do with our families. And this is I find this to be a real 2008 02:09:42,810 --> 02:09:47,970 problem. In one sense, but this is why the alt media kicks. 2009 02:09:49,260 --> 02:09:52,950 mainstream media's but because when they have two people having 2010 02:09:52,950 --> 02:09:55,770 a conversation, they're doing lines. 2011 02:09:58,380 --> 02:10:03,120 scripts, yeah, they're reading script, even eat Even the the 2012 02:10:03,120 --> 02:10:06,240 White House press briefings the questions are known beforehand. 2013 02:10:06,480 --> 02:10:09,540 But most of the congressional hearings that you see questions 2014 02:10:09,540 --> 02:10:12,630 are known beforehand. It's all scripted. It's all all of its 2015 02:10:12,630 --> 02:10:15,030 line. Whenever they say I'll talk to you about that in closed 2016 02:10:15,030 --> 02:10:19,560 session. Yeah, you're going off the script here. Stop it. 2017 02:10:20,010 --> 02:10:23,370 But that's why people don't find it interesting. Because I almost 2018 02:10:23,370 --> 02:10:24,450 say my line Yes. 2019 02:10:25,230 --> 02:10:27,630 I say my lines just yet acting Exactly. 2020 02:10:27,990 --> 02:10:34,050 Right. So this is why this this this thing that you created, I 2021 02:10:34,050 --> 02:10:39,450 gotta give you a credit is you actually have people sit down. 2022 02:10:39,840 --> 02:10:42,930 We have we're having a conversation the person is 2023 02:10:42,930 --> 02:10:46,410 listening to as part of the conversation in a passive way. 2024 02:10:46,950 --> 02:10:49,800 But they're even seeking first to understand and then there's a 2025 02:10:49,800 --> 02:10:53,910 feedback loop. They can write us a note ask this question. Oh, 2026 02:10:53,940 --> 02:10:57,240 you can't do that. You can't do that with a you can't do that 2027 02:10:57,240 --> 02:11:02,610 with CNN. The loves is the feedback loop. Yep, I have 2028 02:11:02,610 --> 02:11:06,090 things I want to talk about but the Love is like Oh, let me 2029 02:11:06,090 --> 02:11:09,510 answer that question. Oh, well you made a great point there oh 2030 02:11:09,510 --> 02:11:15,810 it's engagement you know this is this is how we win because this 2031 02:11:15,810 --> 02:11:19,530 stops the binary thing it's like hold on let me first understand 2032 02:11:19,530 --> 02:11:21,780 what you're saying. Let me make sure I got this straight Adam I 2033 02:11:21,780 --> 02:11:21,900 have 2034 02:11:23,010 --> 02:11:27,090 also noticed you know the no agenda audiences I think very 2035 02:11:27,090 --> 02:11:30,240 forgiving but did they do come from all ends of the spectrum 2036 02:11:31,470 --> 02:11:35,250 but in this recent round, after the Q anon I would say now the 2037 02:11:35,250 --> 02:11:40,950 Vax antivax just in general the all the tension even I know 2038 02:11:40,950 --> 02:11:44,700 agenda social which is no Jenna social calm we're federated to 2039 02:11:44,700 --> 02:11:47,760 mastodon serve like Twitter only open source and not filled with 2040 02:11:47,790 --> 02:11:52,140 evil algos, I can tell people are a little bit more on edge. 2041 02:11:53,880 --> 02:11:57,150 And even though they are all talking to each other, there's 2042 02:11:57,150 --> 02:12:01,260 been a noticeable uptick for me in the what I'm seeing and 2043 02:12:01,260 --> 02:12:05,190 stress stress levels people are a little bit on edge. And and 2044 02:12:05,220 --> 02:12:08,100 and that and that always diminishes the listening 2045 02:12:08,100 --> 02:12:08,910 capability. 2046 02:12:09,660 --> 02:12:15,690 Yep, that no agenda family is not immune. The facts family is 2047 02:12:15,690 --> 02:12:18,450 not immune, because we're still a family. That's right. And 2048 02:12:18,450 --> 02:12:24,360 that's my point is you see how this father saved his daughter 2049 02:12:24,360 --> 02:12:29,430 from committing suicide. And awareness was driven between 2050 02:12:29,430 --> 02:12:34,080 them off of what reality is like home, your reality can be 2051 02:12:34,080 --> 02:12:37,680 different in my reality. I can never know what you how you see 2052 02:12:37,680 --> 02:12:41,550 the world. I can never know. I mean, only thing you could do is 2053 02:12:41,550 --> 02:12:44,760 try to relate to me how you understand it, and then it takes 2054 02:12:44,760 --> 02:12:48,240 for me to say okay, I'm gonna sit here Be quiet. Listen, 2055 02:12:48,720 --> 02:12:52,980 really listen, like really? Try to put myself in your shoes. And 2056 02:12:52,980 --> 02:12:57,120 that's what Malcolm X is saying. Come to the table. Right? Put 2057 02:12:57,120 --> 02:13:00,870 your put your emotions to the side. Because that's the first 2058 02:13:00,870 --> 02:13:03,300 thing I don't like that. Oh, no. Oh, he said then that's what the 2059 02:13:03,300 --> 02:13:05,820 family know. Oh, he said conspiracy theory. Oh, he said 2060 02:13:05,820 --> 02:13:09,120 queueing on Ah, oh, he said this and this both sides? Yeah. 2061 02:13:09,150 --> 02:13:11,670 Because q&a. I'll be honest with you, I might offend some of the 2062 02:13:11,670 --> 02:13:15,780 q&a people out there. He's not about a secret society. It's 2063 02:13:15,780 --> 02:13:19,740 like, Oh, we know something you don't know. Haha, here's an all 2064 02:13:19,740 --> 02:13:22,470 we know what that means. You know, Oh, look at that hand 2065 02:13:22,470 --> 02:13:24,840 gesture all you don't know, it was that kind of thing. 2066 02:13:24,990 --> 02:13:28,650 It was really well done the game theory. And q anon was well 2067 02:13:28,650 --> 02:13:33,000 constructed. You know, with the proofs, and the and the rabbit 2068 02:13:33,000 --> 02:13:38,190 hole and the all this stuff that all these little terms, very 2069 02:13:38,190 --> 02:13:42,540 well constructed. And honestly, a lot of it was damn good mo I 2070 02:13:42,540 --> 02:13:45,000 looked at stuff and we're like, that's got to be true. 2071 02:13:46,410 --> 02:13:51,690 But it was very entertaining. Which 90% of people that got 2072 02:13:51,690 --> 02:13:54,780 into it, it was entertainment. Yeah. Cuz it's like, Dungeons 2073 02:13:54,780 --> 02:13:58,710 and Dragons are something that like, you know, like, oh, I'll 2074 02:13:58,710 --> 02:14:01,140 pick up my phone and get engaged for a little while, you know, to 2075 02:14:01,140 --> 02:14:05,280 see if I can like a scavenger hunt. Like, that symbol, that 2076 02:14:05,280 --> 02:14:09,390 kind of thing. I didn't really get into it like that, because 2077 02:14:09,810 --> 02:14:13,380 it was so readily available. I might hold on who's pushing this 2078 02:14:13,380 --> 02:14:16,710 thing like really like, I mean, that was just me. I'm always 2079 02:14:16,710 --> 02:14:20,550 skeptical. But you ready for your second jab at a vaccine, 2080 02:14:20,550 --> 02:14:20,760 I'm 2081 02:14:20,760 --> 02:14:21,930 ready, Bring it on, doctor. 2082 02:14:22,410 --> 02:14:27,810 Let's go is to listen empathically to leave your head 2083 02:14:28,470 --> 02:14:33,420 to get into their head and their heart. Not that you are trying 2084 02:14:33,420 --> 02:14:38,010 to sympathize or agree or disagree you take no position at 2085 02:14:38,010 --> 02:14:42,630 all. Remember how we have used the iceberg as a kind of 2086 02:14:43,350 --> 02:14:48,960 metaphor? Well, it really pertains to the subject of 2087 02:14:48,960 --> 02:14:53,340 empathy, and communication. We talked about the tip being just 2088 02:14:53,340 --> 02:14:58,950 the technique. You know what the great mass of the iceberg is the 2089 02:14:58,950 --> 02:14:59,550 motive 2090 02:15:02,399 --> 02:15:08,429 The deeper attitude? Are you really anxious to understand? 2091 02:15:09,719 --> 02:15:17,189 Now, the magic really comes from the human affirmation process. 2092 02:15:18,719 --> 02:15:21,659 If we were to suck the air out of this room right now, what 2093 02:15:21,659 --> 02:15:23,189 would happen to our interests 2094 02:15:24,900 --> 02:15:32,010 that align? Now we have air, does air motivate us? What is it 2095 02:15:32,010 --> 02:15:37,200 that motivates us? The absence of air, the psychological 2096 02:15:37,230 --> 02:15:43,740 equivalent of air is to feel understood. It is the deepest 2097 02:15:43,740 --> 02:15:50,100 hunger of the human heart. But to give someone psychological 2098 02:15:50,100 --> 02:15:54,480 air, it's makes it almost impossible for someone to fight 2099 02:15:54,480 --> 02:15:54,690 you 2100 02:15:56,040 --> 02:15:56,880 know, that's great. 2101 02:15:58,800 --> 02:16:02,550 And if, if understanding is air, what is being dismissive? 2102 02:16:03,210 --> 02:16:09,090 choking? Right? You in mass, we gave the analogy of the air and 2103 02:16:09,090 --> 02:16:11,730 now air is not being sucked out of the room, but our freedoms 2104 02:16:11,730 --> 02:16:17,040 are slow, we're slowly gonna, when that when that boot comes 2105 02:16:17,040 --> 02:16:20,700 down, and you start your freedoms, like, Oh, you can't 2106 02:16:20,700 --> 02:16:23,760 say that. You can't do that. You can't go there. You can't. Oh, 2107 02:16:23,760 --> 02:16:29,790 it'll quickly align. But I want to say that because I've heard 2108 02:16:29,790 --> 02:16:34,170 some things being said, people not being able to see their 2109 02:16:34,170 --> 02:16:38,520 grandkids. family, or I'm talking about like, in my inner 2110 02:16:38,520 --> 02:16:41,310 circle, and you know, in the facts, family, you know, no, no 2111 02:16:41,310 --> 02:16:46,050 gender family as well, is, you don't let your kids talk. Okay, 2112 02:16:46,050 --> 02:16:49,470 I understand one thing, if you don't let that visit, if you're 2113 02:16:49,500 --> 02:16:53,550 hardcore Vax, to antibiotic, whatever side you're on, but not 2114 02:16:53,550 --> 02:16:56,490 even to talk to the grandparents. But where are we? 2115 02:16:56,490 --> 02:17:00,000 Where are we headed? Seriously? Where are we really had it and I 2116 02:17:00,000 --> 02:17:06,630 didn't, I wanted to do this show to really address that, to show 2117 02:17:06,630 --> 02:17:12,720 how we're being sucked in to, you know, binary thinking, 2118 02:17:13,109 --> 02:17:17,249 right? But logic will not get us out of this Mo, if I've learned 2119 02:17:17,249 --> 02:17:21,119 a lot of things from you. The first one is you got to break a 2120 02:17:21,119 --> 02:17:24,449 spell, you can't be can't give a spell logic, that's not going to 2121 02:17:24,449 --> 02:17:27,959 work, you've got to break it. And that and and however that 2122 02:17:27,959 --> 02:17:30,779 works. It also has to be done amongst family members somehow. 2123 02:17:32,219 --> 02:17:35,429 seek first to understand then to be understood, and but that goes 2124 02:17:35,429 --> 02:17:38,759 counter narrative counter to human survival. And that's the 2125 02:17:38,759 --> 02:17:42,869 reptilian brain, right? Yeah. Yeah, you're right, the real 2126 02:17:42,869 --> 02:17:46,229 reptile right is, I need to be heard First, I need to be 2127 02:17:46,229 --> 02:17:48,629 understood. First, I need to be you know, that, that kind of 2128 02:17:48,629 --> 02:17:51,599 thing. And me, me me first, because that's the human 2129 02:17:51,779 --> 02:17:55,619 condition is to put yourself first, but when you really, 2130 02:17:56,429 --> 02:18:01,979 really say, okay, make me understand. You know, that kind 2131 02:18:01,979 --> 02:18:05,519 of thing. So I wanted to bring that into the show, because what 2132 02:18:05,519 --> 02:18:09,959 we're about to talk about next, is gonna take understanding, and 2133 02:18:09,959 --> 02:18:13,349 it's part of the Q nine, it's part of the misinformation and 2134 02:18:13,649 --> 02:18:18,269 it's a lot of stuff going on behind it. And that is talking 2135 02:18:18,269 --> 02:18:25,409 about where we're at. 26 Yeah, 26 This is the result of 2136 02:18:25,469 --> 02:18:26,999 neighbors reporting neighbors. 2137 02:18:27,479 --> 02:18:31,559 I'm thinking, this is an event you know, this is a crowd event 2138 02:18:31,559 --> 02:18:35,099 and, and, and it was a real, very surreal feeling, because 2139 02:18:35,099 --> 02:18:37,709 there was also a platform, which later there was saying was going 2140 02:18:37,709 --> 02:18:40,709 to be the inauguration platform. There were a bunch of people out 2141 02:18:40,709 --> 02:18:43,169 there and we thought I thought that there was going to be a 2142 02:18:43,169 --> 02:18:46,469 speaker, somebody was going to say something. And all of a 2143 02:18:46,469 --> 02:18:51,239 sudden they unfurled this huge had to be 70 foot American flag. 2144 02:18:51,599 --> 02:18:55,649 I get goosebumps thinking about it, and everybody went wild. 2145 02:18:56,070 --> 02:19:02,010 And you will have a an not only an FBI raid of your apartment, 2146 02:19:02,190 --> 02:19:06,150 but an FBI raid of your mother's apartment. Let's fast forward a 2147 02:19:06,150 --> 02:19:10,020 little bit and talk about that. What What happened there? Well, 2148 02:19:10,080 --> 02:19:13,350 I was saying my mother's because my mother is still in rehab. 2149 02:19:13,380 --> 02:19:17,280 She's in a rehab home facility. So I was spending time there 2150 02:19:17,280 --> 02:19:19,830 trying to clean up for her because I went to make it we'll 2151 02:19:20,070 --> 02:19:23,670 wheelchair access. They had visited me at her house on 2152 02:19:23,670 --> 02:19:28,800 February 4 Thursday for agents. They asked me if I was an Tifa 2153 02:19:28,860 --> 02:19:31,920 blah, blah, blah. I said no, I gave him a copy of the videos I 2154 02:19:31,920 --> 02:19:36,090 had shot. So I said okay, fine. Everything is fine. A week later 2155 02:19:36,090 --> 02:19:38,550 at 6am in the morning, I'm sleeping on the couch at my 2156 02:19:38,550 --> 02:19:43,170 mother's place and is banging open a door Open the door FBI 2157 02:19:43,170 --> 02:19:48,480 FBI. So I get up I'm half asleep I open the door and they're like 2158 02:19:48,480 --> 02:19:52,410 these eight to 10 tactically dress, I guess soldiers with 2159 02:19:52,410 --> 02:19:56,970 jttf on one of them was pointing an automatic rifle at me. An 2160 02:19:56,970 --> 02:20:00,600 automatic Yeah, automatic like an assault weapon. About five 2161 02:20:00,600 --> 02:20:04,230 feet away he was I guess that's the procedure for them. But you 2162 02:20:04,230 --> 02:20:07,890 know you don't wake up. You open a door you have soldiers at your 2163 02:20:07,890 --> 02:20:09,660 door with a thing aimed at you. 2164 02:20:12,240 --> 02:20:17,670 Yeah, yeah. So we got this I set that up poorly. I'm sorry about 2165 02:20:17,670 --> 02:20:22,230 that. I lost my place. But this is Joseph Bolanos, and he's a 2166 02:20:22,230 --> 02:20:27,630 political independent. Those democratically vote for the 2167 02:20:27,630 --> 02:20:32,250 Democrats. He went down to the rally didn't go inside the 2168 02:20:32,250 --> 02:20:36,810 Capitol didn't go inside. And you heard the results of what 2169 02:20:36,810 --> 02:20:40,110 happened. Not only did they write his place they re he 2170 02:20:40,140 --> 02:20:43,230 raided his mother's house who suffers from dementia 2171 02:20:43,470 --> 02:20:46,500 Did he say that ATF or a TTF 2172 02:20:47,640 --> 02:20:49,920 you might want to listen to that again. I was 2173 02:20:49,920 --> 02:20:52,890 saying my mother's because my mother is still in requests I 2174 02:20:52,890 --> 02:20:56,910 want to make it we'll Thursday for agents they asked me if I 2175 02:20:56,910 --> 02:21:01,080 was an Tifa and blah blah blah. I said no, I gave a cop couch at 2176 02:21:01,080 --> 02:21:04,830 my mother's place. And there's banging open a door Open the 2177 02:21:04,830 --> 02:21:10,650 door FBI FBI. So I get up I'm half asleep I open the door and 2178 02:21:10,650 --> 02:21:14,250 they're like these eight to 10 tactically dress I guess 2179 02:21:14,250 --> 02:21:16,110 soldiers with jttf on 2180 02:21:16,140 --> 02:21:19,620 yeah a TTF so that's not alcohol tobacco and firearms. That's an 2181 02:21:20,190 --> 02:21:26,970 anti terrorists Hold on. I've heard of these jokes before anti 2182 02:21:26,970 --> 02:21:35,700 Terrorism Task Force whoo there you go tear anti Terrorism Task 2183 02:21:35,700 --> 02:21:37,560 Force get your mom out of bed 2184 02:21:38,160 --> 02:21:41,190 eight to eight to 10 people showing up um but what I'm 2185 02:21:41,190 --> 02:21:43,890 saying and they asked him where are you anti that's that's a 2186 02:21:43,890 --> 02:21:47,370 weird question i and Tifa Yeah, interesting. Right right. What 2187 02:21:47,370 --> 02:21:50,850 is that what was that question but let's just get into them 2188 02:21:50,850 --> 02:21:54,540 when he's talking to dinesh d'souza which he had his own 2189 02:21:54,600 --> 02:21:59,610 issues with the railroad it did by the government. Was that that 2190 02:21:59,610 --> 02:22:00,480 was one of the most 2191 02:22:00,480 --> 02:22:04,290 he went to he went to jail. Yeah. Put him in jail bundling 2192 02:22:04,320 --> 02:22:07,980 of all things. I mean that but that's if you say that are your 2193 02:22:07,980 --> 02:22:13,290 kuna. easily see how easily I can go like he went to jail for 2194 02:22:13,290 --> 02:22:16,350 things are normally done in politics. No, no, no, that's 2195 02:22:16,350 --> 02:22:21,270 q&a. That sounds like you're on me. But let's get back to Joseph 2196 02:22:21,540 --> 02:22:25,680 Bolanos and what happened to decelerate? 2197 02:22:25,980 --> 02:22:29,790 And is it a fact that the the reason that they did that was 2198 02:22:29,790 --> 02:22:33,270 that somebody kind of, quote ratted you out? In other words, 2199 02:22:34,020 --> 02:22:38,280 it said that, oh, yeah, this is the guy who was at the Capitol. 2200 02:22:38,430 --> 02:22:42,270 And the FBI evidently went to a district judge Gabriel 2201 02:22:42,270 --> 02:22:46,890 gorenstein, who gave them a warrant to make the search. And 2202 02:22:46,890 --> 02:22:50,010 I want to emphasize, you never went in the Capitol. But 2203 02:22:50,010 --> 02:22:53,550 nevertheless, based on some information the FBI got they 2204 02:22:53,550 --> 02:22:57,660 were able to convince a judge that there was probable cause to 2205 02:22:57,660 --> 02:23:03,060 make this armed raid. Got one to show how on so little, I mean, 2206 02:23:03,060 --> 02:23:05,130 clearly, they didn't have evidence you got in the Capitol 2207 02:23:05,130 --> 02:23:08,820 because you never did. But nevertheless, they come storming 2208 02:23:08,820 --> 02:23:12,540 down your door and pick up the story from there because like 2209 02:23:12,540 --> 02:23:15,960 you said, you went down to the station. And then what happened? 2210 02:23:16,560 --> 02:23:20,370 The big mystery is exactly what you just stated is that how can 2211 02:23:20,370 --> 02:23:24,840 the FBI do so much? I mean, double teams, raids, search 2212 02:23:24,840 --> 02:23:28,140 warrants, what have you on the word of one person on a tip 2213 02:23:28,140 --> 02:23:31,800 line, and in the last year, we've had during COVID three or 2214 02:23:31,800 --> 02:23:35,250 four people who have radicalized someone, they become political, 2215 02:23:35,520 --> 02:23:39,000 and again, as a black president for 23 years I've always been 2216 02:23:39,030 --> 02:23:42,510 apolitical because I like to stress the commonality of our 2217 02:23:42,510 --> 02:23:45,660 neighbors nothing political because the vitriol starts 2218 02:23:45,660 --> 02:23:49,290 flowing. In this case this individual was was actually 2219 02:23:49,290 --> 02:23:52,770 interviewed by a local TV station and he claimed that he 2220 02:23:52,770 --> 02:23:56,490 walked by the the cafe where I was sitting at and then I was 2221 02:23:56,490 --> 02:24:00,240 bragging about being in Washington and I had footage or 2222 02:24:00,240 --> 02:24:02,220 video of the Capital 2223 02:24:02,820 --> 02:24:03,960 One anonymous 2224 02:24:03,960 --> 02:24:08,430 phone call tip that's all it that's all pay attention that's 2225 02:24:08,430 --> 02:24:12,510 great. And then he didn't even have a conversation when he 2226 02:24:12,510 --> 02:24:16,530 walked past him you're saying bragging and boasting which I'm 2227 02:24:16,530 --> 02:24:19,200 sure he was, Hey, I went down to the car I was there you know 2228 02:24:19,200 --> 02:24:21,780 that kind of you know, out like I said, I'm just gonna be middle 2229 02:24:21,780 --> 02:24:25,800 row with it that say, even if he was to say, you know, look, look 2230 02:24:25,800 --> 02:24:27,630 at my pictures I was there, you know, that kind of thing. You 2231 02:24:27,630 --> 02:24:32,520 know, bragging. That shouldn't get your house raining? No. 2232 02:24:33,000 --> 02:24:37,260 Where are we at? Like, seriously, folks? Folks pay 2233 02:24:37,260 --> 02:24:39,240 attention, one call. 2234 02:24:40,320 --> 02:24:42,840 Yeah, but this is tyrannical government mode. This is not 2235 02:24:42,840 --> 02:24:45,690 just a family issue, one anonymous phone call. 2236 02:24:46,500 --> 02:24:51,540 What I'm saying is what when they start your family starts 2237 02:24:51,540 --> 02:24:53,700 making that call like this weird 2238 02:24:55,140 --> 02:24:57,180 stuff that already happened, that's happening. 2239 02:24:57,599 --> 02:25:02,159 Notice that that's where we're headed, but that's Gary, but you 2240 02:25:02,159 --> 02:25:07,259 know what, that's nothing new. Because if you're familiar with 2241 02:25:07,259 --> 02:25:10,829 the drug laws and drug conspiracy laws, this is nothing 2242 02:25:10,829 --> 02:25:11,189 new. 2243 02:25:14,070 --> 02:25:16,620 Five and a half years, I was the United States Attorney for the 2244 02:25:16,620 --> 02:25:20,160 Western District of Virginia. Mandy, from my understanding, 2245 02:25:20,190 --> 02:25:24,270 was only involved for a couple of months with this conspiracy, 2246 02:25:24,330 --> 02:25:27,990 and it was her boyfriend who was the more substantial member of 2247 02:25:27,990 --> 02:25:31,770 that conspiracy. But the way the law works is if you're in a 2248 02:25:31,770 --> 02:25:34,950 conspiracy, you are legally responsible, not just for what 2249 02:25:34,980 --> 02:25:38,700 you do yourself, but for what the conspiracy does, as long as 2250 02:25:38,700 --> 02:25:42,510 it's foreseeable to you. So if you are the girlfriend of a drug 2251 02:25:42,510 --> 02:25:46,230 dealer, like Mandy Martinson, and you have reason to know that 2252 02:25:46,230 --> 02:25:49,260 he is receiving large quantities from a supplier and then 2253 02:25:49,260 --> 02:25:52,530 redistributing those quantities to various mid level 2254 02:25:52,530 --> 02:25:56,100 distributors, even if you never touch those drugs, even if you 2255 02:25:56,100 --> 02:25:58,860 never benefit from them in any way, if you're in the 2256 02:25:58,860 --> 02:26:02,400 conspiracy, and you're aware of the quantity, then you're 2257 02:26:02,400 --> 02:26:04,980 legally responsible for that quantity. It's like any other 2258 02:26:04,980 --> 02:26:08,610 business, the person who stands at the counter of the store and 2259 02:26:08,610 --> 02:26:10,950 collects money from a customer and puts it into the cash 2260 02:26:10,950 --> 02:26:15,780 register. She's a viable part of the entire business. And is is 2261 02:26:15,780 --> 02:26:19,020 part of the reason why the business makes lots of money, 2262 02:26:19,020 --> 02:26:21,480 even if she's not there. Every shift isn't there for every 2263 02:26:21,480 --> 02:26:24,390 single transaction. It's the same thing in a drug conspiracy. 2264 02:26:24,900 --> 02:26:27,360 And that's a very powerful weapon for prosecutor because a 2265 02:26:27,360 --> 02:26:30,390 prosecutor can say to Amanda Martinson, look, you're 2266 02:26:30,390 --> 02:26:33,060 responsible for everything that your boyfriend did everything 2267 02:26:33,060 --> 02:26:35,760 that the people he was dealing with did, because you were 2268 02:26:35,760 --> 02:26:39,060 present when it happened, it was foreseeable to you, even if she 2269 02:26:39,090 --> 02:26:41,610 never touched any of that it's hard for people to get their 2270 02:26:41,610 --> 02:26:46,830 mind around. But it conspiracy allows under the law to charge 2271 02:26:46,830 --> 02:26:49,320 people with really substantial quantities beyond what they 2272 02:26:49,320 --> 02:26:49,680 perceive. 2273 02:26:52,560 --> 02:26:55,440 Well, that's kind of good. That's kind of good news. That's 2274 02:26:55,440 --> 02:27:02,790 kind of good guys. Well, because once you once we get one, then 2275 02:27:02,790 --> 02:27:07,320 we'll Oh, it's like you You knew that. Your your fellow 2276 02:27:07,350 --> 02:27:10,590 politician was doing this and you worried on that. And I mean, 2277 02:27:10,620 --> 02:27:14,190 no, no, no, no, no, they were like that. Yeah, well, yeah. In 2278 02:27:14,190 --> 02:27:16,950 the tribunals. Yes, it will. It will sound 2279 02:27:16,950 --> 02:27:17,790 that cue. Hope you 2280 02:27:23,730 --> 02:27:29,010 nailed it there. Another thing I got to write down. I love that. 2281 02:27:29,160 --> 02:27:32,490 Hey, listen. Oh, we've already got one sealed indictment down 2282 02:27:32,490 --> 02:27:35,340 999 to go mo I'm counting them. 2283 02:27:35,760 --> 02:27:39,360 No reason why I say that is if that was the case, then 2284 02:27:40,950 --> 02:27:43,680 politicians would have been locked up because we can say 2285 02:27:43,680 --> 02:27:46,830 hey, you knew about that, that kind of thing. But it doesn't 2286 02:27:46,830 --> 02:27:50,400 work like that. No, but clearly the reason why I point this out 2287 02:27:50,400 --> 02:27:56,550 is this is how the war on drugs worked. Catch two fish. Because 2288 02:27:56,550 --> 02:27:58,920 then a drug and drug appears conspiracy. I think you had to 2289 02:27:58,920 --> 02:28:02,730 have two people say they bought drugs from you. So you catch two 2290 02:28:02,730 --> 02:28:07,290 small fish to Hey, did you buy drugs from Tony? Yeah. Did you 2291 02:28:07,290 --> 02:28:11,610 buy drugs from Tony? Yeah, go get Tony done. Right. Done. It 2292 02:28:11,610 --> 02:28:14,610 doesn't matter. If you apply that to what Joseph went 2293 02:28:14,610 --> 02:28:17,310 through. Oh, you should have known that we're going to storm 2294 02:28:17,310 --> 02:28:21,330 the capital. Once you're doing out there on the blog. Hmm. It 2295 02:28:21,330 --> 02:28:25,590 was saying you deserve to be roust in the real sick part 2296 02:28:25,590 --> 02:28:30,810 about it is and this is a little sad. But what percentage of 2297 02:28:30,810 --> 02:28:33,690 trials the mean what percentage of cases do you think go to 2298 02:28:33,690 --> 02:28:34,110 trial? 2299 02:28:35,130 --> 02:28:36,300 Of what kind? 2300 02:28:37,350 --> 02:28:38,700 Oh, well, criminal criminal? 2301 02:28:39,300 --> 02:28:42,030 I don't know. It depends on the state. But I don't know. Let's 2302 02:28:42,060 --> 02:28:45,930 just take a while again, just take it what percentage of cases 2303 02:28:45,960 --> 02:28:51,420 actually go to trial? Winning some Jeopardy music. criminal 2304 02:28:51,420 --> 02:28:53,880 cases, criminal cases how many you think 2305 02:28:55,980 --> 02:28:59,880 you'd be hoping that it was quite a high number? You'd be 2306 02:28:59,880 --> 02:29:05,520 hoping in the at least the high 70s 3% and what happens to the 2307 02:29:05,520 --> 02:29:10,410 rest? plead out? Yeah, okay, that makes sense. Yeah. 2308 02:29:10,529 --> 02:29:14,099 So what I'm saying is this is how the drug conspiracy game 2309 02:29:14,099 --> 02:29:18,119 work. To people say you're selling drugs. You're done. Hey, 2310 02:29:18,119 --> 02:29:19,619 Tony, you're facing 20 2311 02:29:20,730 --> 02:29:24,990 right? Yeah, yeah. And you saw Yeah, you saw that in the wire 2312 02:29:24,990 --> 02:29:25,680 all the time. 2313 02:29:26,100 --> 02:29:29,460 Right. So the point I'm making is you're gonna have a lot of 2314 02:29:29,460 --> 02:29:33,060 people that didn't do anything comp and please because like I 2315 02:29:33,060 --> 02:29:36,480 don't want to face I don't want to gamble my life on 20 years on 2316 02:29:36,480 --> 02:29:40,050 a conspiracy. I mean, how do you disprove a conspiracy I mean 2317 02:29:40,050 --> 02:29:43,380 like that's that's like the hardest thing to be 2318 02:29:43,410 --> 02:29:47,910 okay. So what you're saying is the the January six people who 2319 02:29:47,910 --> 02:29:51,240 have who are still many still in jail. That's really the 2320 02:29:51,240 --> 02:29:54,810 conundrum for them is because if if there's two people who say, 2321 02:29:54,810 --> 02:29:57,930 Oh, yeah, I saw that guy. I saw him over there. You're in the 2322 02:29:57,930 --> 02:30:00,480 conspiracy because it's been claimed to conceal Seeing at 2323 02:30:00,480 --> 02:30:04,800 that point, it's easier to just plead out, which, which of 2324 02:30:04,800 --> 02:30:07,440 course, these white guys learn from, from their black brothers 2325 02:30:08,790 --> 02:30:10,320 for similar reasons. 2326 02:30:11,190 --> 02:30:14,400 And if you consider yourself a political prisoner, you can't 2327 02:30:14,400 --> 02:30:16,740 plead out. Because you're there for the cause. 2328 02:30:18,449 --> 02:30:19,049 Right 2329 02:30:19,050 --> 02:30:24,090 to see how that works is I can say, this this system has been 2330 02:30:24,090 --> 02:30:28,200 set up the apparatus is there is just you targeted towards 2331 02:30:28,200 --> 02:30:30,960 whatever group you want to target it towards. That's the 2332 02:30:30,960 --> 02:30:35,940 same thing with the guys we were talking about. With the staying 2333 02:30:36,240 --> 02:30:40,110 in the early part of the show, yeah. Experience. Oh, yeah, they 2334 02:30:40,110 --> 02:30:42,690 wouldn't do it. Yeah, well, we got proof here that they were 2335 02:30:42,690 --> 02:30:46,620 gonna do it. So. But I'm just saying, so that's this thing has 2336 02:30:46,620 --> 02:30:50,280 been around a conspiracy. But now they're gonna start 2337 02:30:50,280 --> 02:30:54,660 weaponizing. That's very scary. So anybody could come and say, 2338 02:30:54,660 --> 02:30:57,690 Oh, yeah, I'm never going to take part in this. You got two 2339 02:30:57,690 --> 02:31:01,800 people who say it, and you put me in jail, I have to play it 2340 02:31:01,800 --> 02:31:04,710 out. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna fight anybody. You want to go 2341 02:31:04,710 --> 02:31:07,860 home today and be on probation or you want to fight between 2342 02:31:09,570 --> 02:31:13,110 disbarred? I mean, even you had a lot of people take cases that 2343 02:31:13,110 --> 02:31:16,800 don't even have anything to do with, because the odds is just, 2344 02:31:17,520 --> 02:31:19,590 I don't want I don't want to take those odds. Right, 2345 02:31:19,650 --> 02:31:20,070 right. 2346 02:31:21,390 --> 02:31:23,850 It's a very nasty system. I 2347 02:31:23,850 --> 02:31:26,910 wasn't I wasn't aware of that. I wasn't aware of the 3% number. 2348 02:31:26,910 --> 02:31:29,790 And, and when you said plead out, yeah. Okay. Makes sense. 2349 02:31:30,090 --> 02:31:32,580 That's a nasty system. 2350 02:31:32,850 --> 02:31:36,060 How do you beat that? I mean, like, how do you, you know, so 2351 02:31:36,060 --> 02:31:40,620 I'm just, I started with us, they don't end with us always 2352 02:31:40,620 --> 02:31:43,290 say that they started with us. But it doesn't end with this. 2353 02:31:43,590 --> 02:31:46,950 But let's go back to Joseph and his final clip, 2354 02:31:47,460 --> 02:31:50,730 I want to talk about the element of media humiliation, because as 2355 02:31:50,730 --> 02:31:53,280 I understand it, when you are handcuffed and taken out of the 2356 02:31:53,280 --> 02:31:57,660 car, there was an NBC NBC camera crew that had been tipped off 2357 02:31:57,690 --> 02:32:01,560 about the raid, and they were there to sort of film you. And 2358 02:32:01,560 --> 02:32:04,560 so what I'm talking about is it's not just a matter because I 2359 02:32:04,560 --> 02:32:08,520 mean, I've I know what this degradation feels like. But it's 2360 02:32:08,520 --> 02:32:11,940 always magnified when you've got flashing lights and people 2361 02:32:11,940 --> 02:32:15,420 shouting questions at you. Is it not a fact that you have 2362 02:32:15,420 --> 02:32:19,200 actually had two strokes subsequent to what happened to 2363 02:32:19,200 --> 02:32:22,500 you? And would it be reasonable to assume that that at the very 2364 02:32:22,500 --> 02:32:24,870 least these events contributed to those 2365 02:32:25,890 --> 02:32:29,310 without a doubt these events did contribute the first stroke was 2366 02:32:29,310 --> 02:32:32,490 considered mild they said, although in the ambulance 2367 02:32:32,490 --> 02:32:35,040 directed show, I pulled the ambulance, right because my 2368 02:32:35,040 --> 02:32:39,840 blood pressure was 220 over 143 which is hypertensive crisis, 2369 02:32:39,870 --> 02:32:44,970 which is close to serious, serious stroke. And then I had 2370 02:32:44,970 --> 02:32:48,690 another stroke about 100 days after the first mild one, which 2371 02:32:48,690 --> 02:32:51,660 makes best begs the question if it's so mild, do I have another 2372 02:32:51,660 --> 02:32:56,160 one under days later? So in the second one was a lot more a lot 2373 02:32:56,160 --> 02:32:59,820 more severe. Now regarding NBC there's an interesting fact here 2374 02:32:59,820 --> 02:33:02,880 because often you hear the FBI when someone comments or 2375 02:33:03,090 --> 02:33:05,400 questions I'm about an investigation to go we can 2376 02:33:05,400 --> 02:33:08,550 comment because it's an ongoing investigation. Now the guy who 2377 02:33:08,550 --> 02:33:13,440 did the NBC story is a guy named Jonathan Dean's his partner okay 2378 02:33:13,440 --> 02:33:19,080 at NBC is the former spokesman for the FBI so how does this guy 2379 02:33:19,080 --> 02:33:21,810 coincidently have a camera man show up Don't worry flashing 2380 02:33:21,810 --> 02:33:24,090 lights right and it was just one camera man, but that kind of 2381 02:33:24,090 --> 02:33:28,620 tripped me off. So you have NBC with that former FBI spokesman 2382 02:33:28,620 --> 02:33:31,920 with the FBI doing a raid I mean, common sense says that 2383 02:33:31,920 --> 02:33:34,770 there's a linkage there somehow because it's not a coincidence 2384 02:33:34,980 --> 02:33:36,930 that there's gambling going on there. 2385 02:33:40,170 --> 02:33:43,530 For fear satellite, que nada with a mockingbird, but like I 2386 02:33:43,530 --> 02:33:49,650 said, I don't want to end up on anybody's list. But FBI to NBC 2387 02:33:50,970 --> 02:33:52,380 that's just down the hall 2388 02:34:00,090 --> 02:34:02,850 you're saying like Zuckerberg and Mueller these people are in 2389 02:34:02,850 --> 02:34:07,410 bed together? Yeah. It's this it's the same thing but that's a 2390 02:34:07,410 --> 02:34:08,730 mate two strokes. 2391 02:34:08,910 --> 02:34:12,210 And that and you know, the way that works with Zuckerberg is a 2392 02:34:12,210 --> 02:34:15,360 good example. Government pressures that you know, it's 2393 02:34:15,360 --> 02:34:18,180 like what what have you What did you hear you don't hear much 2394 02:34:18,180 --> 02:34:21,510 about anymore? Yeah, we're thinking about perhaps 2395 02:34:21,540 --> 02:34:25,590 regulating you section 230 come back and talk a little bit you 2396 02:34:25,590 --> 02:34:28,440 have a gas you from your more questions. So you know, it's 2397 02:34:28,440 --> 02:34:33,090 like they're also pressured through the entire system. They 2398 02:34:33,090 --> 02:34:36,660 have to do what whatever they do in order to survive because 2399 02:34:36,660 --> 02:34:39,270 they're there. They are, in fact too big to fail. 2400 02:34:40,050 --> 02:34:42,780 Well, mamas cover your baby's ears. How much 2401 02:34:43,530 --> 02:34:46,980 do we need to drink or bird? I was wanting to do we need to 2402 02:34:46,980 --> 02:34:48,330 trigger a trigger warning. 2403 02:34:48,360 --> 02:34:53,040 No, not sugar. Cookie monster.com content. Okay, 2404 02:34:53,070 --> 02:34:56,160 Zuckerberg is the government's bitch. Let's just be honest 2405 02:34:56,160 --> 02:35:00,780 here. All the big techies, we know who created These these 2406 02:35:00,780 --> 02:35:04,410 companies. I mean, come come. That's the narrative like he's 2407 02:35:04,410 --> 02:35:07,470 in his computer, his dorm room, he's writing up Facebook code, 2408 02:35:07,590 --> 02:35:11,490 but knock it off. He was saying they had they, they they pin him 2409 02:35:11,880 --> 02:35:15,720 to say, Okay, he's the face of the organization, right. Unless 2410 02:35:16,260 --> 02:35:19,050 they like you said they have mobile Barrow, give us the 2411 02:35:19,050 --> 02:35:23,340 information. Oh, we will we'll what's the what's the tax 2412 02:35:23,340 --> 02:35:26,670 benefit? They're they're allowed to have or whether or not 2413 02:35:26,670 --> 02:35:27,720 treated as a utility. 2414 02:35:28,170 --> 02:35:32,580 I forget what it's called a section 230 or title, section 2415 02:35:32,580 --> 02:35:37,740 230. Yeah. Well, there's that. Yeah. And also the anti trust 2416 02:35:37,740 --> 02:35:43,290 and, but But make no mistake. It's, the government is in this 2417 02:35:43,290 --> 02:35:46,830 too. If you look at the, if you look at the history of Google 2418 02:35:47,220 --> 02:35:49,350 shots, that's what they're calling the shots. 2419 02:35:50,400 --> 02:35:57,300 Right? Right. Yeah, but but it's not really the but it's not the 2420 02:35:57,300 --> 02:36:01,650 politicians. The politicians have their own leverage, but you 2421 02:36:01,650 --> 02:36:04,740 have to look at which politician has real power. And that always 2422 02:36:04,740 --> 02:36:08,250 comes from either CIA, preferably or FBI. 2423 02:36:08,640 --> 02:36:13,470 Careful, Carrie curry koubou. Anybody say deep state? Easy. 2424 02:36:13,470 --> 02:36:17,940 They're not Hey, I'm no queuing on man. I don't say no deep 2425 02:36:17,940 --> 02:36:18,270 sleep. 2426 02:36:19,710 --> 02:36:25,380 That's where we got to be. He said deep state. But that's, we 2427 02:36:25,380 --> 02:36:28,710 laugh about it is gallows humor, but that's where we're at. 2428 02:36:28,710 --> 02:36:35,310 Because if you believe Apple, Facebook, Google can operate the 2429 02:36:35,310 --> 02:36:39,360 way they want to, if they will give one man all that power. 2430 02:36:39,780 --> 02:36:42,810 Now, don't worry, don't worry like that. It's like Zuckerberg 2431 02:36:42,840 --> 02:36:45,300 and notice they always call them now whenever they want to do you 2432 02:36:45,300 --> 02:36:48,990 bet whoever not and it's not the politicians. But they they are 2433 02:36:48,990 --> 02:36:51,630 doing the work of their their bidders, too, right? It's like a 2434 02:36:52,140 --> 02:36:54,870 brings up down and bring them down a notch. You're saying he's 2435 02:36:54,870 --> 02:36:58,380 getting a little you're saying he's getting a little a little 2436 02:36:58,380 --> 02:37:04,350 you're headed up? I don't know, make you take you down a notch. 2437 02:37:04,350 --> 02:37:09,480 But that's that's how it works. And as people that will never be 2438 02:37:09,480 --> 02:37:13,920 voted out that call the shots? Because they don't you know, we 2439 02:37:13,920 --> 02:37:17,010 don't elect our leaders, the real leaders, the real ones. 2440 02:37:17,970 --> 02:37:20,160 They're supposed to be representatives. But they can't 2441 02:37:20,160 --> 02:37:21,690 even do that. Now, 2442 02:37:21,720 --> 02:37:26,010 I use leaders for that we don't elect our leaders. There you go. 2443 02:37:27,000 --> 02:37:29,310 We don't we don't don't even vote for him. It's not they're 2444 02:37:29,310 --> 02:37:30,210 not on the list. 2445 02:37:30,330 --> 02:37:33,630 not on the list. Like you just 2446 02:37:33,630 --> 02:37:36,540 you're not on the list. That's exactly. 2447 02:37:37,590 --> 02:37:42,960 So going back to 60 minutes and back to Q anon and how corrosive 2448 02:37:42,960 --> 02:37:43,440 it is 2449 02:37:43,890 --> 02:37:48,960 at Homeland Security when you were there was q1 on on your 2450 02:37:48,960 --> 02:37:50,850 radar as a threat. 2451 02:37:51,150 --> 02:37:55,380 The general consensus at that time period was it could be a 2452 02:37:55,380 --> 02:37:59,460 low level policing concern because we had a few incidents 2453 02:37:59,460 --> 02:38:05,040 of people conducting violence but by and large, its ideology 2454 02:38:05,370 --> 02:38:09,390 is not one that promotes violence. At least at that time, 2455 02:38:09,630 --> 02:38:13,830 what shifted what turned q anon into a more violent kind of 2456 02:38:13,830 --> 02:38:15,030 conspiracy group. 2457 02:38:15,540 --> 02:38:18,840 It didn't become a violence problem until Donald Trump lost 2458 02:38:18,840 --> 02:38:22,140 the election and then they felt like oh, well, we better fix 2459 02:38:22,140 --> 02:38:25,080 that. Because otherwise Donald Trump can't fix this other big 2460 02:38:25,080 --> 02:38:29,160 problem the deep state. state. 2461 02:38:30,240 --> 02:38:34,350 Q anon supporters charged into battle with the crowd storming 2462 02:38:34,350 --> 02:38:40,080 the Capitol on January 6. Some were easy to spot with their cue 2463 02:38:40,080 --> 02:38:42,030 signs and cute chance. 2464 02:38:47,820 --> 02:38:53,040 Inside officer Eugene Goodman staved off rioters led by a man 2465 02:38:53,070 --> 02:38:57,990 in a cute shirt. Ashley Babbitt killed at the Capitol had 2466 02:38:57,990 --> 02:39:01,710 previously tweeted a picture of herself and accused tank top 2467 02:39:04,380 --> 02:39:07,620 a horrible violation of whatever Yeah, 2468 02:39:08,339 --> 02:39:11,459 yeah, so we're gonna talk about Ashley Babbitt. And it's gonna 2469 02:39:11,459 --> 02:39:14,879 take a lot of empathetic listening to get through that 2470 02:39:14,879 --> 02:39:19,259 segment because I know as I always say, this is why I wait 2471 02:39:19,259 --> 02:39:22,529 to talk about certain topics, because I know it's very 2472 02:39:22,529 --> 02:39:26,909 triggering to people. And that, you know, that's the barrier to 2473 02:39:26,909 --> 02:39:31,709 get over to you know, listen empathetically to be unbiased, 2474 02:39:31,919 --> 02:39:35,099 to seek first to understand and be understood. So that's part of 2475 02:39:35,099 --> 02:39:37,829 the show is just we have to take our time and we talked about 2476 02:39:37,829 --> 02:39:42,179 thing because it has to be digested, but before we do, we 2477 02:39:42,179 --> 02:39:43,619 got to get back to the producers. 2478 02:39:43,769 --> 02:39:46,199 I like brand new money, I just I don't want any money around me. 2479 02:39:46,199 --> 02:39:51,209 It's not I don't try to have a new one than a brand and then an 2480 02:39:51,209 --> 02:39:55,169 old 20 that's kind of dumb and but there's some bad new money 2481 02:39:55,169 --> 02:39:59,939 that excites you. You like $100 bills. I like old money too. Oh, 2482 02:39:59,999 --> 02:40:03,449 The most beautiful thing on earth is $100 bill. I haven't 2483 02:40:03,449 --> 02:40:06,749 seen a woman is good looking at $100 bill. There's something on 2484 02:40:06,809 --> 02:40:07,859 our building site. 2485 02:40:10,380 --> 02:40:13,920 That's right. We love the new money spray some SATs. new 2486 02:40:13,920 --> 02:40:17,340 podcast apps calm is where you can learn all about that and how 2487 02:40:17,340 --> 02:40:21,060 to do it and get a new podcast app, which will also include all 2488 02:40:21,060 --> 02:40:24,540 of the chapters for the mo facts episodes, which had Dred Scott 2489 02:40:24,540 --> 02:40:27,750 does for us and easy we're talking now he's working on 2490 02:40:27,750 --> 02:40:31,080 going back and doing chapters for every single one going back 2491 02:40:31,080 --> 02:40:34,050 to the first episode, and we'll also have the transcripts going 2492 02:40:34,050 --> 02:40:36,540 back to the first episode so there's a lot of work going on 2493 02:40:36,540 --> 02:40:42,330 for the mo facts enterprise. The mo facts entertainment global 2494 02:40:42,330 --> 02:40:48,810 incorporation. Let's drip. Yes, God bless Dr. Indeed. And God 2495 02:40:48,810 --> 02:40:51,330 bless our producers. We ran through our executive producer 2496 02:40:51,330 --> 02:40:53,730 and associate executive producers for this episode, we 2497 02:40:53,730 --> 02:40:58,440 do have a few more people to thank we've got $39.10 from 2498 02:40:58,440 --> 02:41:02,910 Alejandro Alo share, I'm just guessing, I'm not sure how to 2499 02:41:02,910 --> 02:41:08,880 pronounce it. Malcolm donation to your excellent 3910 excellent 2500 02:41:08,880 --> 02:41:12,480 podcast love what you do and I'm so grateful for how much effort 2501 02:41:12,480 --> 02:41:15,690 goes into these shows. Each one is a true masterpiece not lost 2502 02:41:15,690 --> 02:41:20,040 on me. Thank you mo and Adam Thank you Alejandro Sam smock 2503 02:41:20,250 --> 02:41:24,270 3633, a little rownum Ode to help keep the O g of social 2504 02:41:24,270 --> 02:41:30,660 distancing on the Boulez Do not call this exam. William gherkin 2505 02:41:30,660 --> 02:41:36,930 3333 love the show. Thanks, guys. We got 3333 from Derek 2506 02:41:36,930 --> 02:41:42,960 Burch, we got Miguel SB now now Miguel came in twice here. 2507 02:41:43,710 --> 02:41:46,410 So I didn't know how he wanted to do this. I mean, like as far 2508 02:41:46,410 --> 02:41:48,600 as I mean, of course, we bump him up to the you know, 2509 02:41:50,100 --> 02:41:53,130 these associate executive producer status, 2510 02:41:53,220 --> 02:41:55,560 right, but he had a special number in there so I didn't want 2511 02:41:55,560 --> 02:41:58,050 to merge. Careful 2512 02:41:58,470 --> 02:42:02,910 with the new numerology. Yeah, right. So 3080 is his first one 2513 02:42:02,910 --> 02:42:07,770 and no note and then Miguel Aspinall comes in again with 30. 2514 02:42:07,830 --> 02:42:11,850 I'm sorry, yeah, we're $30 and says, cause Joe lives be 2515 02:42:12,120 --> 02:42:15,900 Beloved. Okay. All right. 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I mean, it couldn't get more 2590 02:47:18,180 --> 02:47:21,480 more than more and more 180 degrees opposite agreed. 2591 02:47:21,960 --> 02:47:26,670 Right it screws with people's heads. And that's why I was very 2592 02:47:29,010 --> 02:47:32,280 conscious of time when I discussed about this um, which 2593 02:47:32,280 --> 02:47:35,250 didn't know this is a very important portion of the show. 2594 02:47:35,580 --> 02:47:39,210 So let's get first into the media's coverage of what 2595 02:47:39,210 --> 02:47:41,250 happened at the Capitol with Ashley Babbitt. 2596 02:47:42,000 --> 02:47:45,690 This morning new details about 35 year old Ashley Babbitt, who 2597 02:47:45,690 --> 02:47:49,620 was shot and killed by a Capitol Police Officer. video captures 2598 02:47:49,620 --> 02:47:53,880 the moment she fell to the ground during the chaos. as 2599 02:47:53,880 --> 02:47:56,910 others warned of the danger. medics then rushing her to the 2600 02:47:56,910 --> 02:48:00,990 hospital, but she later died. A documentarian says he witnessed 2601 02:48:00,990 --> 02:48:01,620 the shooting 2602 02:48:02,910 --> 02:48:09,330 to go in, like going strong. And next thing I know she was shot. 2603 02:48:09,360 --> 02:48:12,810 I do remember yelling guns when I saw guns and trying to warn 2604 02:48:12,810 --> 02:48:15,750 her from going in like it was like very slow motion because I 2605 02:48:15,750 --> 02:48:18,540 was trying to in my mind trying to capture the scene 2606 02:48:18,570 --> 02:48:22,350 inside the house chamber that broke the glass. lawmakers were 2607 02:48:22,350 --> 02:48:25,230 hiding including congressman markwayne Mullen, who was 2608 02:48:25,230 --> 02:48:27,690 defending the officers actions. He didn't 2609 02:48:27,690 --> 02:48:29,790 have a choice at that time the mob was going to come through 2610 02:48:29,790 --> 02:48:30,300 the door there 2611 02:48:30,300 --> 02:48:33,720 was a lot of members and staff that were in danger at the time. 2612 02:48:34,740 --> 02:48:38,490 Babbitt was a 12 year Air Force veteran living in San Diego with 2613 02:48:38,490 --> 02:48:41,760 her husband. Her family describes her as loving and says 2614 02:48:41,760 --> 02:48:51,900 she was a staunch supporter of the President. She's knowing her 2615 02:48:51,900 --> 02:48:54,900 grandfather says Babbitt attended every Trump rally she 2616 02:48:54,900 --> 02:48:55,410 could 2617 02:48:55,470 --> 02:49:02,760 excellent patriot. Ever Donald Trump fan. She served time in 2618 02:49:02,760 --> 02:49:06,930 the military. She's passionate about everything, particularly 2619 02:49:06,930 --> 02:49:08,190 Donald Trump for some reason. 2620 02:49:09,090 --> 02:49:12,870 The US Capitol Police officer who shot Babbitt is now on leave 2621 02:49:12,900 --> 02:49:14,550 pending an investigation. 2622 02:49:15,330 --> 02:49:16,020 Yes. 2623 02:49:17,550 --> 02:49:24,600 Which we're going to get to him next officer bird but first we 2624 02:49:24,600 --> 02:49:28,380 got to get some background on Ashley Babbitt. And this is from 2625 02:49:28,410 --> 02:49:34,920 Dr. Todd grande day, which is a psychiatrist from Arlington, 2626 02:49:34,920 --> 02:49:41,790 Virginia. Well, I think he's an author as well. So he's gonna 2627 02:49:41,790 --> 02:49:44,250 get into the background of actually Babbitt. 2628 02:49:44,580 --> 02:49:47,580 So I'll start with the background, I'll talk about the 2629 02:49:47,580 --> 02:49:51,510 conspiratorial thinking and I'll move to my analysis about the 2630 02:49:51,510 --> 02:49:54,840 shooting. At the time of her death. Ashley Babbitt was 35 2631 02:49:54,840 --> 02:49:58,470 years old. She served in the Air Force and Air National Guard for 2632 02:49:58,470 --> 02:50:03,210 many years. Her service Included multiple deployments to Iraq. 2633 02:50:03,390 --> 02:50:06,420 She lived in Maryland for many years. She was married when she 2634 02:50:06,420 --> 02:50:10,380 was there. She divorced and moved to San Diego and remarried 2635 02:50:10,380 --> 02:50:13,620 in 2019. Babbitt had no children. Her parents, her 2636 02:50:13,620 --> 02:50:17,490 grandfather and four brothers lived in San Diego on January 2637 02:50:17,490 --> 02:50:22,080 6 2021, she was one of the many protesters who stormed the 2638 02:50:22,080 --> 02:50:25,620 Capitol building in washington dc in what appears to be an 2639 02:50:25,620 --> 02:50:29,250 attempt to disrupt the certification of the 2020 2640 02:50:29,250 --> 02:50:32,880 presidential election. inside the building. She was with a 2641 02:50:32,880 --> 02:50:36,900 number of other protesters in front of these double doors that 2642 02:50:36,900 --> 02:50:41,040 led to the speaker's lobby, a hallway that connects to the 2643 02:50:41,040 --> 02:50:45,030 House of Representatives chamber not far from this members of 2644 02:50:45,030 --> 02:50:48,720 Congress were sheltering in place. So there was a lot of 2645 02:50:48,720 --> 02:50:53,010 chaos a number of protesters yelling, banging on the doors, 2646 02:50:53,040 --> 02:50:58,200 breaking windows, it was a time of great stress caused by these 2647 02:50:58,200 --> 02:51:01,500 protesters. It is clear in the videos that the doors are 2648 02:51:01,500 --> 02:51:05,220 barricaded from the other side which should serve as a subtle 2649 02:51:05,220 --> 02:51:09,090 hint that trying to pass through those doors may be an unpopular 2650 02:51:09,090 --> 02:51:13,080 decision. Babbitt was wearing what looked to be a Trump flag 2651 02:51:13,170 --> 02:51:15,780 as a cape Okay, 2652 02:51:16,200 --> 02:51:22,470 so this is where depending on what lens you're looking at this 2653 02:51:22,470 --> 02:51:31,710 through if it was a black male unarmed going through a window I 2654 02:51:31,710 --> 02:51:34,950 don't care how many berries it was it it might you can't shoot 2655 02:51:34,950 --> 02:51:43,680 it on on person but here we have a white female veteran who was a 2656 02:51:43,680 --> 02:51:50,910 rack shot unarmed and it was like it was a 180 degree 2657 02:51:50,940 --> 02:51:53,760 the you know the media response 2658 02:51:54,030 --> 02:51:57,240 not even media on social media is like yeah she deserved the 2659 02:51:57,270 --> 02:52:00,570 same people were saying cops shouldn't shoot people are 2660 02:52:00,570 --> 02:52:03,990 people and insane people were saying that all summer you know 2661 02:52:04,020 --> 02:52:08,370 no person our property you know property over human lives and 2662 02:52:08,370 --> 02:52:11,490 those kinds of things like Yeah, she had it coming to her which I 2663 02:52:11,490 --> 02:52:17,670 found it to be maybe fastest of all struck I was awestruck is 2664 02:52:17,670 --> 02:52:22,710 like wow like it really doesn't matter what there's no ideology 2665 02:52:22,710 --> 02:52:29,280 behind this is strictly binary is eat now it's okay to shoot 2666 02:52:29,280 --> 02:52:34,470 her because it fits your narrative. I'm in a boat that no 2667 02:52:34,470 --> 02:52:39,480 unarmed person should be shot I mean like I don't care who you 2668 02:52:39,480 --> 02:52:44,220 are, I don't care what you're doing. But I also would like to 2669 02:52:44,220 --> 02:52:47,760 bring up the fact of when we talked about the broken glass 2670 02:52:48,270 --> 02:52:53,970 when that glass breaks that's a symbol of civility um, and these 2671 02:52:53,970 --> 02:53:01,980 people were charged up now but I found it fascinating that once 2672 02:53:01,980 --> 02:53:05,340 side saying she shouldn't the same side well you you do a 2673 02:53:05,340 --> 02:53:09,030 crime you killed him the act of a crime you know is justified 2674 02:53:09,180 --> 02:53:11,850 that sounds like How dare you shoot her and then the other 2675 02:53:11,850 --> 02:53:14,760 side is like you should never shoot person was cheering the 2676 02:53:14,760 --> 02:53:18,150 cops on it was like his his total mind screw so I don't know 2677 02:53:18,150 --> 02:53:20,220 how you took what you took away from well 2678 02:53:22,140 --> 02:53:26,430 interestingly, I that is not considered what you just said in 2679 02:53:26,430 --> 02:53:32,070 that comparison. It's fine. It's very valid. It's very good. It I 2680 02:53:32,070 --> 02:53:36,450 mean, but we have a lot of these we have my body my choice for 2681 02:53:36,480 --> 02:53:42,270 abortion, my body my choice, but not for mandatory vaccines. I 2682 02:53:42,270 --> 02:53:50,250 mean, so these binary I just have, I have no other word mind 2683 02:53:50,250 --> 02:53:54,510 fucks are being launched at us like blow darts to the brain. 2684 02:53:55,530 --> 02:53:58,860 And perfectly balanced. Like I said, you can't get more 2685 02:53:58,860 --> 02:54:01,680 balanced and counterbalance with these two people when we look at 2686 02:54:01,680 --> 02:54:05,790 actually Batman and George Floyd. Um, the way they were 2687 02:54:06,960 --> 02:54:11,160 handled by the media and then how they were consumed by the 2688 02:54:11,160 --> 02:54:15,570 public at large. With that said, I want to get into the second 2689 02:54:15,570 --> 02:54:19,440 clip. Now just I want to say and I'm gonna leave, it cannot lead 2690 02:54:19,440 --> 02:54:24,870 you But imagine if you hear these things about a unarmed 2691 02:54:24,870 --> 02:54:27,240 black man shot in America. 2692 02:54:27,600 --> 02:54:31,680 Babbitt had some prior run ins with law enforcement. In 2016. 2693 02:54:31,860 --> 02:54:35,820 She was issued a peace order, which is essentially the state 2694 02:54:35,820 --> 02:54:39,060 of Maryland's version of a restraining order and charged 2695 02:54:39,060 --> 02:54:42,210 with reckless endangerment and the malicious destruction of 2696 02:54:42,210 --> 02:54:45,840 property. This appears to have been connected to a road rage 2697 02:54:45,870 --> 02:54:50,190 incident. She hit a woman's car three times and chased her 2698 02:54:50,190 --> 02:54:52,890 through the streets. From what I understand the victim was a 2699 02:54:52,890 --> 02:54:55,860 woman who had previously dated Babbitt's boyfriend at that 2700 02:54:55,860 --> 02:55:00,000 time, that it was found not guilty of both charges in 27 2701 02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:04,350 Teen a second piece order was issued, and she was charged with 2702 02:55:04,350 --> 02:55:07,890 willful motor vehicle damage without the owner's consent. In 2703 02:55:07,890 --> 02:55:11,220 2019. a complaint was filed against her for aggressive 2704 02:55:11,220 --> 02:55:14,280 driving, but it was thrown out because of a jurisdiction 2705 02:55:14,280 --> 02:55:17,580 related problem. Ashley Babbitt appeared to have a number of 2706 02:55:17,580 --> 02:55:20,460 unusual beliefs that may have contributed to her criminal 2707 02:55:20,460 --> 02:55:25,110 behavior. Her posts on social media appear to indicate that 2708 02:55:25,110 --> 02:55:28,440 she believed in conspiracy theories. one specific 2709 02:55:28,440 --> 02:55:32,940 conspiracy theory that she is associated with is q anon she 2710 02:55:32,940 --> 02:55:37,170 made a reference to the storm in a tweet the day before death she 2711 02:55:37,170 --> 02:55:40,320 was seen wearing a que Amnon shirt and a photo on social 2712 02:55:40,320 --> 02:55:44,460 media and she also posted a hashtag that refers to the 2713 02:55:44,460 --> 02:55:49,590 phrase where we go one we go all which is also associated with 2714 02:55:49,590 --> 02:55:51,180 that same conspiracy theory. 2715 02:55:51,750 --> 02:55:54,330 Wow, I didn't know about the priors. 2716 02:55:55,380 --> 02:55:59,040 Yeah, that's well, now imagine 2717 02:55:59,130 --> 02:56:02,490 what Nope, and I can't because we had all the priors with 2718 02:56:02,490 --> 02:56:06,240 George Floyd. We had a hole in the gun up to the pregnant 2719 02:56:06,240 --> 02:56:08,970 woman's belly drugs etc. 2720 02:56:09,929 --> 02:56:14,609 And what was said that doesn't matter at the time of him being 2721 02:56:14,759 --> 02:56:18,629 killed no other guy was the other guy. I mean something 2722 02:56:18,629 --> 02:56:24,329 Blake it slipped my mind but he actually was coming over to 2723 02:56:24,329 --> 02:56:27,659 attack his baby mama when he was shot seven times he didn't die 2724 02:56:27,869 --> 02:56:30,809 but the vice president you're saying now now a Vice President 2725 02:56:30,809 --> 02:56:34,109 went and visited him or did a video call with him you know 2726 02:56:34,139 --> 02:56:38,249 Jacob Blake that's his name but what I'm saying is but on the 2727 02:56:38,279 --> 02:56:41,099 other side of this I was critical of Candace Owens for 2728 02:56:41,099 --> 02:56:45,569 this about bringing up people's past yes you're saying to 2729 02:56:45,569 --> 02:56:48,749 deflect yep so I'm just saying like you just said it's 2730 02:56:48,990 --> 02:56:52,440 no we're not immune is what you're saying. Right? 2731 02:56:52,470 --> 02:56:57,150 We're no one's immune and they they create these narratives in 2732 02:56:57,150 --> 02:57:01,740 the media to it so you can play it out nobody's based in 2733 02:57:01,770 --> 02:57:07,320 ideology at all it's about my team your team like I said red 2734 02:57:07,320 --> 02:57:07,920 blue 2735 02:57:08,730 --> 02:57:11,550 white 100 2736 02:57:13,290 --> 02:57:16,110 and and this is another thing and we've seen what I think the 2737 02:57:16,110 --> 02:57:20,070 what's the case now with Gabby the the white lady it was killed 2738 02:57:20,070 --> 02:57:23,670 in the whole princess or what is called the princess effect or 2739 02:57:23,850 --> 02:57:25,800 how white women are covered in the media 2740 02:57:25,800 --> 02:57:26,850 Yes, yeah, 2741 02:57:26,880 --> 02:57:34,650 yeah. Here's the white lady that was killed unarmed meets a man 2742 02:57:34,650 --> 02:57:37,680 we ain't touching that now you were queuing on you were saying 2743 02:57:37,680 --> 02:57:41,460 she deserved she had it coming in like I said a 2744 02:57:42,900 --> 02:57:47,250 snatch the pebbles from my hand grasshopper You may go now you 2745 02:57:47,250 --> 02:57:51,120 have surpassed me I have to write this down for myself I 2746 02:57:51,120 --> 02:57:56,460 can't believe that I that I didn't see this I didn't see it 2747 02:57:57,570 --> 02:58:00,390 but that said that's why we come here and have the conversation 2748 02:58:00,450 --> 02:58:01,020 that way 2749 02:58:01,050 --> 02:58:02,670 well there's two of us here I 2750 02:58:04,380 --> 02:58:09,660 know it's amazing man I'm very I'm very proud on social media 2751 02:58:09,660 --> 02:58:13,380 with disgusting light for any human light to be taking power 2752 02:58:13,380 --> 02:58:14,220 she had it coming in 2753 02:58:14,220 --> 02:58:23,040 I I'm very impressed with your your ability to to see that 2754 02:58:26,700 --> 02:58:32,370 I'm because I know how it should be covered any other time on ARM 2755 02:58:32,550 --> 02:58:36,570 white lady get shot in America she shouldn't be the bad guy I 2756 02:58:36,570 --> 02:58:39,390 mean to me was the 2757 02:58:39,750 --> 02:58:45,750 you know the general response to Joy Joy read saying you know 2758 02:58:45,750 --> 02:58:48,240 white woman that's what that's why it's getting all this 2759 02:58:48,240 --> 02:58:53,340 coverage and the general response that I saw which of 2760 02:58:53,340 --> 02:58:56,100 course should have been Oh yeah, well why aren't you covering 2761 02:58:56,100 --> 02:59:01,200 Ashley Babbitt etc. was well because when it's a black woman, 2762 02:59:01,410 --> 02:59:04,980 most of the time is killed by black man. And you don't want to 2763 02:59:04,980 --> 02:59:06,000 tell anybody that 2764 02:59:08,310 --> 02:59:14,130 most of the time is interracial anytime somebody say that that's 2765 02:59:15,660 --> 02:59:19,380 it's amazing how they do these mind tricks on people. And 2766 02:59:19,380 --> 02:59:23,460 that's why I'm telling people like be based in it be based in 2767 02:59:23,460 --> 02:59:28,830 something like that's why I'm big on law. That's why I'm big 2768 02:59:28,830 --> 02:59:33,360 on math. It's logic, right? It's okay, I can make sense of this. 2769 02:59:33,780 --> 02:59:38,190 When you are based solely in teams and sides and those kinds 2770 02:59:38,190 --> 02:59:38,640 of things. Yeah, 2771 02:59:38,670 --> 02:59:41,370 you don't you don't work. They can jerk 2772 02:59:41,370 --> 02:59:43,740 you around. I mean, they can they can completely jerk you 2773 02:59:43,740 --> 02:59:47,040 around and tell you what it does. It makes you look silly. 2774 02:59:47,430 --> 02:59:52,290 Because it's like, oh, no, I thought you were pro cops. Or 2775 02:59:52,290 --> 02:59:55,800 anti cops and like it's like it's it's the perfect monster 2776 02:59:55,800 --> 02:59:59,820 like you said, But um, yeah, I was just, I was like, if I heard 2777 02:59:59,820 --> 03:00:04,290 like, If they said, innocent, unarmed we're not not We're 2778 03:00:04,290 --> 03:00:07,200 innocent cuz she was committing a crime but innocent in the fact 2779 03:00:07,200 --> 03:00:13,260 of not being a threat to an armed person if that was a black 2780 03:00:13,260 --> 03:00:16,230 man coming through a window and a white man has shot him. all 2781 03:00:16,230 --> 03:00:18,510 hell broke loose. Again. Oh yeah. 2782 03:00:18,539 --> 03:00:21,089 Oh absolutely. you're nailing that you're nailing that. 2783 03:00:21,270 --> 03:00:24,390 Yep. All right, so let's go ahead and go to the 35. 2784 03:00:24,539 --> 03:00:27,629 Here's a summary of what the followers of this conspiracy 2785 03:00:27,629 --> 03:00:32,339 theory belief. They believe there's an evil organization 2786 03:00:32,519 --> 03:00:36,689 made up of people who worship Satan, and they also cause other 2787 03:00:36,689 --> 03:00:40,529 types of harm. The leaders of this evil organization tend to 2788 03:00:40,529 --> 03:00:44,729 be entertainers and politicians. Donald Trump is a part of this 2789 03:00:44,759 --> 03:00:48,509 ongoing battle with these evil people. Ashley Babbitt had a 2790 03:00:48,509 --> 03:00:53,249 particular dedication to Trump, she was a militant supporter of 2791 03:00:53,249 --> 03:00:56,549 his at some point drilling will bring about what the followers 2792 03:00:56,549 --> 03:01:00,959 referred to as the storm, and the Great Awakening, again, 2793 03:01:00,959 --> 03:01:05,189 Babbitt's specifically referred to the storm, the storm is when 2794 03:01:05,189 --> 03:01:09,299 Trump will rest the evildoers and send them to prison. The 2795 03:01:09,299 --> 03:01:13,139 storm is really about aggression, and revenge, it's 2796 03:01:13,139 --> 03:01:16,679 when the conspiracy theorist will punish the people who 2797 03:01:16,679 --> 03:01:20,129 laughed at them. Now the Great Awakening is different. This is 2798 03:01:20,129 --> 03:01:23,189 when the beliefs of the followers will be validated, 2799 03:01:23,519 --> 03:01:26,969 when all the people in the world will realize that this whole 2800 03:01:26,969 --> 03:01:31,319 time along the followers were correct. So these conspiracy 2801 03:01:31,319 --> 03:01:35,069 theorists actually believe that they have some type of special 2802 03:01:35,069 --> 03:01:38,579 knowledge, perhaps they are chosen, or just incredibly 2803 03:01:38,579 --> 03:01:42,179 intelligent, and they can see and understand what the rest of 2804 03:01:42,179 --> 03:01:46,799 the population cannot. So everybody's being fooled, except 2805 03:01:46,799 --> 03:01:50,909 them. After the storm in the Great Awakening, a utopia will 2806 03:01:50,909 --> 03:01:53,549 be established. And the followers of the conspiracy 2807 03:01:53,549 --> 03:01:57,659 theory will be exalted as heroes, people who save the 2808 03:01:57,659 --> 03:02:02,279 world from certain destruction. Yeah, that sums 2809 03:02:02,280 --> 03:02:03,120 it up pretty well, I'd 2810 03:02:03,120 --> 03:02:11,100 say. What once again there, Megan Q and on the opposite the 2811 03:02:11,100 --> 03:02:15,000 polar opposite of science, we're in the same way or the same 2812 03:02:15,000 --> 03:02:18,330 paradigm, but it's a polar opposite of we have secret 2813 03:02:18,330 --> 03:02:20,820 knowledge that you can't understand, isn't it? how 2814 03:02:20,820 --> 03:02:26,130 science is put on us? You You, you know, you can't research 2815 03:02:26,850 --> 03:02:32,070 your research. Like, you have a PhD and, you know, whatever 2816 03:02:32,070 --> 03:02:35,100 you're saying whatever science or, you know, you didn't you 2817 03:02:35,100 --> 03:02:40,980 didn't code Microsoft. You know, that didn't make you a expert on 2818 03:02:40,980 --> 03:02:44,100 vaccines, you know, that kind of thing. So but it's the opposite 2819 03:02:44,130 --> 03:02:47,730 end of it that you don't know what these symbols mean. You 2820 03:02:47,730 --> 03:02:51,240 know, you can't interpret this language. The signs that we're 2821 03:02:51,240 --> 03:02:54,180 being given, it's a religion. Well, not another religion. 2822 03:02:54,180 --> 03:02:54,390 That's 2823 03:02:54,390 --> 03:02:59,280 a technocratic religion. Yeah, the technocrats that the the 2824 03:02:59,280 --> 03:03:03,090 experts know best. And they just have to be managed in the 2825 03:03:03,090 --> 03:03:06,240 messaging is funneled, and there's consensus and that's 2826 03:03:06,270 --> 03:03:11,190 technocrats. That's and that's, that's 1984 technocrats. 2827 03:03:11,430 --> 03:03:16,620 Yeah. So like I said, they put these people in the same boat, 2828 03:03:16,620 --> 03:03:19,110 but they don't realize it like You sound just like the 2829 03:03:19,110 --> 03:03:23,070 scientists. But you can't understand this. You don't have 2830 03:03:23,070 --> 03:03:25,620 enough brain power to decide what goes in your body for 2831 03:03:25,620 --> 03:03:30,630 yourself. Like what like how? Yeah, so but I found it 2832 03:03:30,630 --> 03:03:35,250 fascinating. And I bet you that's the first time in world 2833 03:03:35,250 --> 03:03:38,730 history that military has been used in the same sense that with 2834 03:03:38,730 --> 03:03:42,810 a white woman, because militant were reserved for black men and 2835 03:03:43,410 --> 03:03:49,830 black women the like, how was her who was the was the famous 2836 03:03:49,830 --> 03:03:56,820 black female Black Panther. Ah, stylish decor. Yes. Yeah, she 2837 03:03:56,820 --> 03:03:58,770 would be she would be classified as militant. 2838 03:03:59,040 --> 03:04:03,690 Right, but I never heard that term. No. Welcome to the bottom 2839 03:04:03,720 --> 03:04:11,070 I tell you when I say this, I say in jest you start throwing 2840 03:04:11,070 --> 03:04:13,380 around like Mills I almost fell off my chair when I heard that 2841 03:04:13,380 --> 03:04:17,490 that one was doing for me. I was like militant. I've never heard 2842 03:04:17,490 --> 03:04:22,830 that used for our Caucasian or white female. I never heard I 2843 03:04:22,830 --> 03:04:23,190 mean, my 2844 03:04:23,190 --> 03:04:25,920 right I'm searching my brain. I think you're right. 2845 03:04:28,500 --> 03:04:35,880 Wow. So he was more left leaning if I had to guess, more of the 2846 03:04:35,880 --> 03:04:39,660 mainstream media type coverage of it. Now we got to go out the 2847 03:04:39,720 --> 03:04:44,190 outtake with claim book and get their take on not only we're not 2848 03:04:44,190 --> 03:04:47,130 going to really talk about Ashley Babbitt but more of 2849 03:04:47,370 --> 03:04:49,590 officer burn and his coverage in media 2850 03:04:49,770 --> 03:04:56,010 interview last night on NBC News with Lieutenant Michael Byrd, 2851 03:04:56,490 --> 03:04:58,920 who it's been rumored I think on the internet for a while that he 2852 03:04:58,920 --> 03:05:04,350 was in fact The the individual involved here, but he is the 2853 03:05:04,350 --> 03:05:08,370 Capitol Hill police officer who shot Ashley Bab in the neck, no 2854 03:05:08,370 --> 03:05:12,000 clay and I, you know, I've had some background in law 2855 03:05:12,000 --> 03:05:16,920 enforcement and, and baseline tactical training. Clay 2856 03:05:16,920 --> 03:05:20,490 obviously is a lawyer, we wanted to go through some of this. And 2857 03:05:20,490 --> 03:05:23,850 really, first of all, it was a, they couldn't have tried to make 2858 03:05:23,850 --> 03:05:26,820 it a more favorable platform for officer burns narrative, you'll 2859 03:05:26,820 --> 03:05:29,940 hear that yourself. We want to take this though piece by piece 2860 03:05:30,330 --> 03:05:33,660 and address. I mean, for me, this is the whole thing is 2861 03:05:33,660 --> 03:05:37,140 outrageous, because the politics involved are quite clear in 2862 03:05:37,140 --> 03:05:39,630 terms of how this has been handled. But let's start with 2863 03:05:39,660 --> 03:05:45,750 Michael Byrd, saying that he showed tremendous courage in the 2864 03:05:45,750 --> 03:05:46,230 shooting 2865 03:05:46,410 --> 03:05:52,980 of the course I do. That is very vital point. And it's something 2866 03:05:52,980 --> 03:05:58,770 that is frightening. I believe I showed the most carriage on 2867 03:05:58,770 --> 03:06:03,810 January 6, and it's time for me to do that now. The utmost 2868 03:06:03,810 --> 03:06:08,430 courage clay. I have you heard any of the officers involved in 2869 03:06:09,150 --> 03:06:12,720 fatal shootings that got a lot of national attention? And 2870 03:06:12,720 --> 03:06:15,810 including times when an assailant was reaching for a gun 2871 03:06:15,810 --> 03:06:18,750 or going for a knife? Have you heard any of them ever say, 2872 03:06:18,870 --> 03:06:21,630 Well, I showed tremendous courage and shooting that 2873 03:06:21,630 --> 03:06:22,170 person? 2874 03:06:22,620 --> 03:06:27,390 No. And if they did, we already have protests. But there would 2875 03:06:27,390 --> 03:06:29,610 be mass rioting in the streets. 2876 03:06:30,720 --> 03:06:34,260 Yeah, clean buck. They took rush limbaugh slot. 2877 03:06:35,189 --> 03:06:41,159 Yeah. Can you imagine the cop or cops that shot Briana Taylor 2878 03:06:41,190 --> 03:06:45,630 say really courageous that day, we're I'll show some 2879 03:06:45,630 --> 03:06:52,470 courage. But Matt, just just let that soak in. And I didn't I 2880 03:06:52,470 --> 03:06:55,920 usually don't use sound bites. But Lieutenant Byrd, I'm going 2881 03:06:55,920 --> 03:06:59,790 to let you know now on the last tapes. I'm going to go through 2882 03:06:59,790 --> 03:07:03,570 that majority of that 36 minute interview, sit down with him 2883 03:07:03,600 --> 03:07:06,690 good because I didn't want to, like I said they've been this 2884 03:07:06,690 --> 03:07:10,050 has been a nine hour show. Just breaking that down in itself. 2885 03:07:10,050 --> 03:07:15,930 But once again, of all the officers. It had to be a black 2886 03:07:15,930 --> 03:07:21,510 man. Yeah, not a white woman. Are you kidding? 2887 03:07:21,960 --> 03:07:26,340 Me? So but you know, if you say that, and this was something 2888 03:07:26,340 --> 03:07:30,480 that has been hammered out incessantly, you know, it's 2889 03:07:30,480 --> 03:07:35,010 called What about ism. So it's like, well, if that were Trump, 2890 03:07:35,280 --> 03:07:40,200 but this is so it's such a cool way of showing it. It's like 2891 03:07:40,200 --> 03:07:43,110 please look at the polar opposites of the of the 2892 03:07:43,110 --> 03:07:44,040 situation. 2893 03:07:44,640 --> 03:07:49,710 That if you're thinking and speaking binary, because it was 2894 03:07:49,710 --> 03:07:52,980 make your site right or wrong, what I'm doing is and what we're 2895 03:07:52,980 --> 03:07:58,530 doing is looking at the nuances of the story, and say look at 2896 03:07:58,530 --> 03:08:04,590 this is perfect, in a tear in a tragic way. But in perfect that 2897 03:08:04,590 --> 03:08:10,290 you have the black black man that pulled the trigger in 2898 03:08:10,290 --> 03:08:16,290 America, the shadow white on unarmed woman that was going 2899 03:08:16,290 --> 03:08:19,950 into property, we are awesome or property doesn't. You're saying 2900 03:08:20,010 --> 03:08:24,960 human lives Trump property? But it was like, Okay, yeah, cool. I 2901 03:08:24,960 --> 03:08:30,000 don't know. I'm all for it. Cuz she was militant? Like, I could 2902 03:08:30,000 --> 03:08:34,260 say, but I knew he was black. When I didn't bring him out. 2903 03:08:34,470 --> 03:08:37,410 When they hit him. for that long. I was like, yeah, yeah. 2904 03:08:37,440 --> 03:08:40,920 And there's a timing. There's a timing that goes with this. It 2905 03:08:40,950 --> 03:08:44,970 was why they brought him out and when they brought him out, but 2906 03:08:44,970 --> 03:08:48,090 let's let clay and buck finish up first, just 2907 03:08:48,090 --> 03:08:53,520 think what the reaction would be on Black Lives Matter. If a 2908 03:08:53,520 --> 03:09:00,120 white police officer who shot an unarmed protester had said all 2909 03:09:00,120 --> 03:09:04,500 of these things, what the reaction would be compared to 2910 03:09:04,500 --> 03:09:08,550 the comparative crickets. In response to this, let's just 2911 03:09:08,550 --> 03:09:12,360 keep playing these clips because, again, I think a large 2912 03:09:12,360 --> 03:09:16,200 part of our audience has not heard all of these quotes, and 2913 03:09:16,200 --> 03:09:19,500 certainly as you said, Buck, this gentleman had not even been 2914 03:09:19,500 --> 03:09:23,130 named prior to this interview that he just decided to do. 2915 03:09:24,630 --> 03:09:30,510 Here he is discussing that he believed Ashley Babbitt was 2916 03:09:30,540 --> 03:09:34,290 posing an imminent threat. Remember, this is a an unarmed 2917 03:09:34,290 --> 03:09:39,120 woman, still on the other side of the door, trying to break in 2918 03:09:39,120 --> 03:09:42,930 and open a door. He has the gun drawn for quite as plenty of 2919 03:09:42,930 --> 03:09:45,960 time he can see exactly what's going on. It's on video, we have 2920 03:09:45,960 --> 03:09:49,830 video of this encounter. Here is what he says had 2921 03:09:49,830 --> 03:09:53,250 been yelling and screaming as loud as I was. Please stop, get 2922 03:09:53,250 --> 03:09:56,790 back, get back. Stop. We have a weapon strong. 2923 03:09:56,820 --> 03:10:00,180 We see your arm out there for a considerable amount of time. Are 2924 03:10:00,330 --> 03:10:01,260 we wavering? 2925 03:10:01,740 --> 03:10:06,780 I was taking a tactical stance, you're ultimately hoping that 2926 03:10:07,290 --> 03:10:11,520 your commands will be complied with? And unfortunately, they 2927 03:10:11,520 --> 03:10:12,000 were not 2928 03:10:12,030 --> 03:10:14,130 what did you think as individuals doing it that 2929 03:10:15,090 --> 03:10:19,050 he was posing a threat to the United States? House of 2930 03:10:19,050 --> 03:10:19,950 Representatives? 2931 03:10:21,120 --> 03:10:24,630 Not threat to me, not a threat to me. Listen to what he said 2932 03:10:24,630 --> 03:10:29,910 again, at the very last 15 seconds. I'm sorry about that. 2933 03:10:29,939 --> 03:10:34,079 Yeah, no, it's no problem. Yeah, you were so right about that 2934 03:10:34,140 --> 03:10:39,120 the holding that your commands will be complied with? And 2935 03:10:39,120 --> 03:10:41,280 unfortunately, they were not what did you think as 2936 03:10:41,280 --> 03:10:46,680 individuals doing it? He was posing a threat to United States 2937 03:10:47,070 --> 03:10:48,360 House of Representatives. 2938 03:10:48,420 --> 03:10:51,090 Oh, first of all, he says that she wasn't responding to his 2939 03:10:51,090 --> 03:10:55,710 commands. What? I didn't hear him command anything on any 2940 03:10:55,710 --> 03:10:56,340 audio. 2941 03:10:57,270 --> 03:11:00,480 Right. And then the other thing is, he didn't say she was a 2942 03:11:00,480 --> 03:11:03,810 threat to me. Which I think that's imminent threat is to 2943 03:11:03,810 --> 03:11:08,460 you, not to whatever you're protecting. 2944 03:11:08,520 --> 03:11:10,620 I'm not sure what the rules are. I'm not sure what 2945 03:11:12,120 --> 03:11:20,250 for I could say from my law degree from SBU. Law order Fbu. 2946 03:11:20,910 --> 03:11:27,690 I'm a proud graduate. That's how I understand it to be it has to 2947 03:11:27,690 --> 03:11:30,750 be your life needs to be now it might be different from federal 2948 03:11:30,750 --> 03:11:33,930 police or Capitol Police. I don't know what you're saying he 2949 03:11:33,930 --> 03:11:36,960 meant he didn't say me. He didn't say she was a threat to 2950 03:11:36,960 --> 03:11:41,490 me. If he said that, I wouldn't even say okay, well, you don't 2951 03:11:41,490 --> 03:11:45,270 know what a person has. Right. You know, you know, I would take 2952 03:11:45,270 --> 03:11:49,260 it differently. But I can say I don't want to be but I don't 2953 03:11:49,260 --> 03:11:52,680 want to belabor the point. But it was just fascinating. I could 2954 03:11:52,680 --> 03:11:59,430 say this. You say psyops, and I don't use that word. I don't use 2955 03:11:59,430 --> 03:12:03,180 that word. You're saying it, but what are you doing here? What 2956 03:12:03,180 --> 03:12:06,900 what are we doing here? Seriously? What what? How could 2957 03:12:06,900 --> 03:12:11,130 you? How could you make you couldn't if you wrote this to my 2958 03:12:11,130 --> 03:12:11,970 without a script out? 2959 03:12:11,970 --> 03:12:16,770 Like No, I'm really disappointed in myself. It because, you know, 2960 03:12:18,240 --> 03:12:23,070 I see all these things, but I didn't see it all the way 2961 03:12:23,070 --> 03:12:27,420 through. And I'm really happy that you brought this up and how 2962 03:12:27,420 --> 03:12:32,010 you unfolded this because I Gosh, I mean, obviously, it's 2963 03:12:32,010 --> 03:12:35,670 the whole system does this. You know, there was another example 2964 03:12:35,670 --> 03:12:42,630 today where President Biden said or his Jen circle back Jen said, 2965 03:12:42,630 --> 03:12:45,660 well, President Biden is not taking questions from the press 2966 03:12:45,660 --> 03:12:48,120 because you're not on point you're not asking questions that 2967 03:12:48,150 --> 03:12:52,320 are about the meeting that he's having. And I'm like, holy shit, 2968 03:12:52,350 --> 03:12:56,130 you know, it's like that was if Trump said that as they would 2969 03:12:56,130 --> 03:12:59,910 always ask questions had nothing to do with the with the world 2970 03:12:59,910 --> 03:13:01,560 leader who was sitting there with them 2971 03:13:02,040 --> 03:13:04,650 with taxes. Are you really sure taxes? 2972 03:13:06,480 --> 03:13:12,000 Yeah, so So I mean, 45 savage was, you know, his his message 2973 03:13:13,110 --> 03:13:16,860 is become a bit cliche, but they really are public enemy number 2974 03:13:16,860 --> 03:13:17,310 one, 2975 03:13:18,330 --> 03:13:30,150 a him in America, Mexico. But there's a reason if you forgive 2976 03:13:30,150 --> 03:13:34,080 yourself, there's a reason why you didn't get into this. There 2977 03:13:34,080 --> 03:13:37,470 was something simultaneously going on. At the time when 2978 03:13:37,830 --> 03:13:40,620 Lieutenant Byrd came out and had his interview that could 2979 03:13:40,620 --> 03:13:43,470 possibly be a smokescreen. 38 2980 03:13:44,160 --> 03:13:46,920 I'm joined now by Congressman Madeline dean of Pennsylvania, 2981 03:13:46,920 --> 03:13:50,250 one of the lawmakers whose life officer Byrd was protecting that 2982 03:13:50,250 --> 03:13:52,800 day and Congresswoman I just want to give you the opportunity 2983 03:13:52,800 --> 03:13:54,870 to react what you've just seen and heard. 2984 03:13:56,250 --> 03:13:58,590 First, joy, thank you for including me on this 2985 03:13:58,590 --> 03:14:04,050 heartbreaking day. Yeah, for our country. And so my sympathies to 2986 03:14:04,050 --> 03:14:08,370 the servicemembers families to the 13. Now, I guess that we 2987 03:14:08,370 --> 03:14:12,570 have lost in 15 wounded and, of course, scores of Afghans and 2988 03:14:12,570 --> 03:14:16,650 others. I condemn the terrorist attacks, we have to continue on 2989 03:14:16,650 --> 03:14:23,940 this mission. But joy, that interview, I was staggered. To 2990 03:14:23,940 --> 03:14:27,720 learn that it was Lieutenant Byrd who made that announcement 2991 03:14:27,720 --> 03:14:31,560 on the floor of the house. For the last seven months. I have 2992 03:14:31,560 --> 03:14:36,690 wondered, who wasn't trying to help save our lives. I was out 2993 03:14:36,930 --> 03:14:41,070 in the gallery that day, as they told us first sit down, prepare 2994 03:14:41,070 --> 03:14:45,570 to lie down, then get your guest masks out from under your seat. 2995 03:14:45,990 --> 03:14:52,080 And then that announcement, they they've infiltrated the rotunda 2996 03:14:52,230 --> 03:14:56,130 and tear gas has been deployed. I have wondered for months, who 2997 03:14:56,130 --> 03:14:59,970 did that to save our lives. And what I want people to know is 2998 03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:06,090 Number one, thank you. Thank you. Number two, I hope people 2999 03:15:06,090 --> 03:15:08,820 understand the proximity of where he was first on the 3000 03:15:08,820 --> 03:15:14,610 rostrum, and then where Ashley Babbitt was shot. It was feet 3001 03:15:14,670 --> 03:15:19,470 away after Ashley Babbitt, sadly with all those other riders 3002 03:15:19,650 --> 03:15:22,860 broke through security gate after security gate after 3003 03:15:22,860 --> 03:15:23,790 security gate. 3004 03:15:24,990 --> 03:15:27,990 Yeah, that would have been something to cover it up that 3005 03:15:27,990 --> 03:15:28,890 little news. 3006 03:15:30,600 --> 03:15:34,320 How can we I mean, it's like Bill Cosby getting convicted. He 3007 03:15:34,320 --> 03:15:40,170 was saying at the same time, we had a what's the Kavanaugh case? 3008 03:15:40,680 --> 03:15:45,090 How convenient. I mean, just 13 days soldiers outcomes. 3009 03:15:45,390 --> 03:15:47,640 Lieutenant Byrd all of a sudden out of the blue. 3010 03:15:50,160 --> 03:15:55,170 T Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. You know, I'm glad you're 10 3011 03:15:55,170 --> 03:15:56,100 years younger than me. 3012 03:15:57,660 --> 03:16:01,230 forgive you. Like I said, I know. You were down that rabbit 3013 03:16:01,230 --> 03:16:01,620 hole. 3014 03:16:02,940 --> 03:16:03,900 at work. That's true, 3015 03:16:04,620 --> 03:16:05,730 man. Yeah, 3016 03:16:05,880 --> 03:16:09,270 I was I was on, you know, like telegram and signal with people 3017 03:16:09,270 --> 03:16:12,930 in Qatar in Afghanistan. Yeah, that's true. Well, again, that's 3018 03:16:12,930 --> 03:16:15,720 why there's there's two of us. This is good news. Different 3019 03:16:15,720 --> 03:16:19,920 beats. Yeah, different beats. But yeah, I just find that 3020 03:16:19,920 --> 03:16:23,100 interesting. The timing of that. And the other thing I found 3021 03:16:23,100 --> 03:16:27,030 strange is now I've seen a lot of 24. I've seen a lot of 3022 03:16:28,980 --> 03:16:34,440 homeland. And he shows is it really our representatives laid 3023 03:16:34,440 --> 03:16:37,950 out where you're at? Really, that's what we're doing? What 3024 03:16:38,640 --> 03:16:39,180 did you see 3025 03:16:39,180 --> 03:16:42,450 those gas masks that they look like the things that drop out of 3026 03:16:42,450 --> 03:16:44,580 the overhead bin in the airplane? 3027 03:16:45,930 --> 03:16:48,960 I'm saying but the reaction plan is to lay down where you're at, 3028 03:16:48,990 --> 03:16:51,960 like there's no tunnels then. I'm highly disappointed in my 3029 03:16:51,960 --> 03:17:00,090 government. By I mean, you take Yeah, it really we don't have 3030 03:17:00,690 --> 03:17:03,750 secret elevators that you know, oh, no, no, 3031 03:17:03,750 --> 03:17:09,210 some some representatives do. Absolutely. Pelosi was out real 3032 03:17:09,210 --> 03:17:13,080 quick. They had pans out real quick. They were all in they 3033 03:17:13,080 --> 03:17:15,540 were all in the tunnels and stuff. Oh, for sure. But you 3034 03:17:15,540 --> 03:17:17,220 know, there's like a little room 3035 03:17:17,220 --> 03:17:19,560 or something like, I've seen homeland? I 3036 03:17:21,030 --> 03:17:26,580 don't know. I guess not. I guess that's all it's all fake. 3037 03:17:28,290 --> 03:17:32,460 I'm doubting I'm seriously disappointing. When, whenever 3038 03:17:32,460 --> 03:17:36,510 somebody a real threat rose up, he was going to lay down on the 3039 03:17:36,510 --> 03:17:37,950 floor. Everything. 3040 03:17:39,840 --> 03:17:41,910 laid on the floor, everything will be okay. Everything will be 3041 03:17:41,910 --> 03:17:43,560 okay. It'll be fine. It'll be fine. 3042 03:17:43,590 --> 03:17:47,550 Like you say I put the airline mask on just later. She thanked 3043 03:17:47,550 --> 03:17:50,820 me for that. I don't know who did it for seven months. I 3044 03:17:50,820 --> 03:17:53,880 wanted to know, he was the one who put this change into place. 3045 03:17:53,880 --> 03:17:57,870 I'm gonna lay down the floor and be a waiting target. Wow. Like 3046 03:17:57,870 --> 03:18:03,240 that just shocked me. But yeah, yeah. This. It was covered. It 3047 03:18:03,240 --> 03:18:05,490 would mean to be I mean, to be honest with you, I believe it 3048 03:18:05,490 --> 03:18:09,150 was, well, whether it was used as cover. 3049 03:18:09,420 --> 03:18:12,240 Yeah, right. Right. The interview when I'm saying the 3050 03:18:12,240 --> 03:18:17,370 interview with Tom Oh, totally. Yeah, let's reclaim the 3051 03:18:17,370 --> 03:18:20,970 narrative here. We don't want to talk about Yo, get through this 3052 03:18:20,970 --> 03:18:23,370 24 hour news cycle right quick and then we can get better 3053 03:18:23,370 --> 03:18:28,680 business. Um, well, we know captured the footage that you 3054 03:18:28,830 --> 03:18:34,290 alluded to, cuz we talked about in our show 57. Let's get into 3055 03:18:34,290 --> 03:18:35,070 john Sullivan. 3056 03:18:36,240 --> 03:18:40,080 And Kelly and Bob James Sullivan says he turned in tips about his 3057 03:18:40,080 --> 03:18:43,650 brother to the FBI here in Salt Lake City. He says he believes 3058 03:18:43,650 --> 03:18:46,320 that his brother was not only involved in the riot at the 3059 03:18:46,320 --> 03:18:52,350 Capitol, but somehow in charge. Full disclosure, the FBI has 3060 03:18:52,350 --> 03:18:56,220 been in contact with me. JOHN Sullivan posted to his Twitter 3061 03:18:56,250 --> 03:18:57,120 on Wednesday, 3062 03:18:57,180 --> 03:19:01,950 I got the call, as I said against Dave that he was going 3063 03:19:01,950 --> 03:19:03,210 to be apprehended by the FBI. 3064 03:19:03,270 --> 03:19:06,750 John's brother James says he first learned his brother was at 3065 03:19:06,750 --> 03:19:10,170 the US Capitol. When friends started texting him these 3066 03:19:10,170 --> 03:19:15,990 pictures, then john posted the video to you. Like, I'm just 3067 03:19:15,990 --> 03:19:16,230 trying 3068 03:19:16,230 --> 03:19:18,840 to record what he was going in there to document it. But he 3069 03:19:18,840 --> 03:19:21,480 also was part of the entity for groups. I 3070 03:19:21,870 --> 03:19:26,490 also, you know, want to want to support the black community out 3071 03:19:26,490 --> 03:19:29,100 here too, in the best way that I can. That's my belief. I believe 3072 03:19:29,160 --> 03:19:32,430 the Black Lives Matter. I mean, I'm not here to assert myself 3073 03:19:32,430 --> 03:19:33,930 and my beliefs on 3074 03:19:33,990 --> 03:19:34,860 other people. 3075 03:19:36,060 --> 03:19:43,050 I just want to give people the footage the video, the 3076 03:19:43,050 --> 03:19:45,810 FBI office in Salt Lake City would not confirm they were 3077 03:19:45,810 --> 03:19:49,140 investigating Sullivan or any utahns I want to 3078 03:19:49,140 --> 03:19:53,880 condemn absolutely condemned the shameful violence that we saw on 3079 03:19:53,880 --> 03:19:55,410 January 6, US Capitol 3080 03:19:55,740 --> 03:19:58,410 when it's still love, john, but again, that's something that he 3081 03:19:58,410 --> 03:19:58,950 needs to know 3082 03:20:01,530 --> 03:20:05,310 The criminal complaint against john includes violent entry. 3083 03:20:05,430 --> 03:20:09,480 john was also charged by Provo police officers back in July of 3084 03:20:09,480 --> 03:20:14,430 2020. For criminal mischief and rioting in Salt Lake City, Aaron 3085 03:20:14,430 --> 03:20:15,630 Cox, Fox 13 News. 3086 03:20:17,970 --> 03:20:22,800 Now he's talking about dividing families. Yeah. James, his 3087 03:20:22,800 --> 03:20:27,390 brother ratted him out ratted him out now, both of you, you 3088 03:20:27,390 --> 03:20:30,210 want to hear something very interesting course, their 3089 03:20:30,210 --> 03:20:36,900 father, adoptive father, Major General Kevin J. Sullivan, of 3090 03:20:36,900 --> 03:20:40,710 the United States Air Force was caught in a shady deal 3091 03:20:40,710 --> 03:20:44,010 transferring nuclear fuse fuses via Taiwan. 3092 03:20:49,380 --> 03:20:56,640 Back in 2008. And now you're too black or biracial son adopted 3093 03:20:56,640 --> 03:21:01,290 sons are in the middle of the insurgency or the storming the 3094 03:21:01,290 --> 03:21:05,490 Capitol. That's not, of course, not connected. 3095 03:21:05,970 --> 03:21:09,180 How did you find that? You only clips on that, or do you just 3096 03:21:09,180 --> 03:21:09,600 not have 3097 03:21:10,350 --> 03:21:15,450 it? No, it was the article. There was no clips. It was a big 3098 03:21:15,450 --> 03:21:21,420 news story. I mean, if you look it up, set, it was 17. It was 17 3099 03:21:21,480 --> 03:21:24,810 officers that were involved. And they were caught with 3100 03:21:24,930 --> 03:21:31,470 transferring nuclear fuses. Oh, 3101 03:21:33,000 --> 03:21:38,220 well, that's that's almost as good as, as the Boston bombers, 3102 03:21:38,550 --> 03:21:42,090 you know, and their uncle is a CIA agent. 3103 03:21:44,460 --> 03:21:46,920 What's the chances? And then, you know, come on, what's the 3104 03:21:46,920 --> 03:21:50,610 chances? But that goes to show you that this is brother against 3105 03:21:50,610 --> 03:21:55,020 brother. Now is it designed to be that way? I don't know. But 3106 03:21:55,050 --> 03:22:00,180 it's just the coincidence of your dad getting caught 3107 03:22:00,180 --> 03:22:05,700 transfuse on transferring nuclear fuses to Taiwan? In a 3108 03:22:05,700 --> 03:22:09,930 big scandal, and then your two sons get caught up in this on 3109 03:22:09,930 --> 03:22:13,860 both sides of it, because one is super conservative. And one is 3110 03:22:13,860 --> 03:22:20,760 super Black Lives Matter. liberal. Crazy What's going on? 3111 03:22:20,790 --> 03:22:23,130 What's going on in that house? And then how are you forgot? 3112 03:22:23,160 --> 03:22:28,170 Remember john john was a Olympic skater. Can we cover that? NPD? 3113 03:22:28,710 --> 03:22:30,960 That's right. I forgot about that. Yeah. 3114 03:22:31,410 --> 03:22:35,010 Which had an over commercial, which I'll be also showing on 3115 03:22:35,010 --> 03:22:39,780 the live. He just so happens to have Uber commercial too. When 3116 03:22:39,780 --> 03:22:45,480 I'm not driving for over Are you kidding me? see somebody parking 3117 03:22:45,480 --> 03:22:51,750 me. That's beautiful. So I'm just to go to show you how the 3118 03:22:51,750 --> 03:22:55,950 local news does coverage or lack of coverage. There was the claim 3119 03:22:55,950 --> 03:23:00,570 made that NTV was in the capital Yes, that day, proven through 3120 03:23:00,570 --> 03:23:04,860 the john Sullivan. situation. But listen how no local news 3121 03:23:04,860 --> 03:23:08,880 covers. The question of verifying was an Tifa. behind. 3122 03:23:09,390 --> 03:23:11,970 There are a lot of claims that the people who broke into the 3123 03:23:11,970 --> 03:23:14,760 Capitol on Wednesday weren't Trump supporters, but were 3124 03:23:14,760 --> 03:23:18,000 actually an Tifa. Members. Us representative mo Brooks says 3125 03:23:18,000 --> 03:23:21,000 the evidence is growing that antifa quote, orchestrated 3126 03:23:21,000 --> 03:23:25,560 capital attack with clever mob control tactics. So let's break 3127 03:23:25,560 --> 03:23:28,800 this claim down. Starting with these images. This anti fog 3128 03:23:28,800 --> 03:23:32,490 comrades flyer is being shared a ton. With claims it tells an 3129 03:23:32,490 --> 03:23:35,400 Tifa members to disguise themselves as Trump supporters, 3130 03:23:35,430 --> 03:23:38,520 but a reverse image search shows that this image is more than two 3131 03:23:38,520 --> 03:23:41,520 months old. It was originally shared on articles like this on 3132 03:23:41,520 --> 03:23:45,600 Election Day, November 3, and as you can see, the image has the 3133 03:23:45,600 --> 03:23:49,800 date November 4, clearly in the text, we're marking this false. 3134 03:23:50,070 --> 03:23:52,920 Then there's this claim a man in the hallway of the Capitol with 3135 03:23:52,920 --> 03:23:56,340 a tattoo on his hand, which these posts say is the communist 3136 03:23:56,340 --> 03:23:59,550 hammer and sickle. But a higher resolution image from Getty 3137 03:23:59,550 --> 03:24:02,850 photos shows it's clearly not the hammer and sickle. It's 3138 03:24:02,850 --> 03:24:06,630 actually a logo from a video game. This claim is false. Then 3139 03:24:06,630 --> 03:24:09,870 there are tons of claims about this shirtless man wearing a 3140 03:24:09,900 --> 03:24:13,890 horned hat. This is not a Trump supporter. This is a staged anti 3141 03:24:13,890 --> 03:24:17,430 fur attack. Well we tracked him down This is Jake and jelly. 3142 03:24:17,460 --> 03:24:21,030 He's easy to find online as an outspoken q anon supporter. In 3143 03:24:21,030 --> 03:24:22,350 fact, President Trump 3144 03:24:22,710 --> 03:24:23,970 there you president 3145 03:24:25,590 --> 03:24:28,950 he's posting photos of Johnny and has been photographed 3146 03:24:28,950 --> 03:24:32,700 protesting against groups like Black Lives Matter and antiva in 3147 03:24:32,700 --> 03:24:36,630 the past Wednesday night, he actually posted that quote, I am 3148 03:24:36,630 --> 03:24:40,860 not an Tifa or BLM I'm a que anon and digital soldier so 3149 03:24:40,860 --> 03:24:44,580 claims this man is an anti factor in disguise are false. 3150 03:24:44,730 --> 03:24:47,520 Now there are more examples of people falsely being labeled 3151 03:24:47,520 --> 03:24:49,320 anti fur and false messages. 3152 03:24:51,840 --> 03:24:56,280 That was that's a great that's a great ISO. I got to get that 3153 03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:05,550 left the local news stymieing the you know the claim the anti 3154 03:25:05,580 --> 03:25:10,680 was in there which clearly James makes give me john works with 3155 03:25:10,680 --> 03:25:12,600 Black Lives Matter and he actually got kicked out of black 3156 03:25:12,600 --> 03:25:16,410 lives matter for doing being too radical. Oh, and then on the 3157 03:25:16,440 --> 03:25:19,890 other side James worked closely with the proud boys. What what's 3158 03:25:19,890 --> 03:25:22,170 going right Seriously? What is going on? 3159 03:25:23,160 --> 03:25:25,560 That's pretty extreme and one family 3160 03:25:26,100 --> 03:25:31,080 wish wish and I have an article here from no queue report. It 3161 03:25:31,080 --> 03:25:37,620 says that they will they This is have been on opposite sides of 3162 03:25:37,620 --> 03:25:41,340 ideological spectrum since George Floyd video released last 3163 03:25:41,340 --> 03:25:43,560 spring. So that was the that was the trigger word that 3164 03:25:43,560 --> 03:25:46,920 was the trigger when the when the when they split into one and 3165 03:25:46,920 --> 03:25:47,400 zero. 3166 03:25:47,970 --> 03:25:56,580 Yeah. So well, I have john Sullivan on Anderson Cooper, but 3167 03:25:56,610 --> 03:26:00,480 you're not going to hear her speak. But I believe he was with 3168 03:26:00,480 --> 03:26:04,290 her his handler What's her name? Jade. 3169 03:26:04,920 --> 03:26:08,160 had her name he Jaden x something 3170 03:26:08,369 --> 03:26:12,599 No, no, that's it. That was his name. Her name was Jade. Hold 3171 03:26:12,599 --> 03:26:16,229 let me find it. Don't know. But yeah, of course you don't cuz 3172 03:26:16,229 --> 03:26:19,379 nobody. She didn't speak the whole time. So she was just 3173 03:26:19,379 --> 03:26:24,239 there handling Mr. Cooper, J. Sacher, who is a CNN photo 3174 03:26:24,239 --> 03:26:26,729 journalist that never did anything for seeing in her life. 3175 03:26:27,059 --> 03:26:30,119 But that's how she was saw. That's all she was sold to the 3176 03:26:30,149 --> 03:26:34,739 to the masses. But this is john Sullivan. And she's sitting six 3177 03:26:34,739 --> 03:26:37,679 inches from his face. While he speaks to people 3178 03:26:37,680 --> 03:26:40,530 who were there. JOHN is now a documentary filmmaker Jane 3179 03:26:40,530 --> 03:26:44,700 sacker and left wing activist john Sullivan. JOHN you filmed 3180 03:26:44,700 --> 03:26:48,030 this moment on your phone just can't describe what happened. 3181 03:26:48,360 --> 03:26:53,550 Yeah, so basically all the protesters kind of storm to get 3182 03:26:53,550 --> 03:26:57,540 into the chamber we tried to get into like the main entrance 3183 03:26:57,660 --> 03:27:00,930 right when you walk down the hallway, but that being said, 3184 03:27:00,930 --> 03:27:03,030 Nobody was able to get it because there's two guards 3185 03:27:03,090 --> 03:27:07,620 refusing to move people there we're not really wanting to hurt 3186 03:27:08,340 --> 03:27:13,170 the police. So like they went down a different alleyway they 3187 03:27:13,170 --> 03:27:15,780 went to like the left of the main entrance of the chambers 3188 03:27:15,780 --> 03:27:18,840 and then took a ride down the hallway that then entered into 3189 03:27:18,840 --> 03:27:23,790 that glass windows that you see there to their left by like four 3190 03:27:23,790 --> 03:27:28,740 or five police officers right at the forefront. And I remember 3191 03:27:28,770 --> 03:27:31,410 just looking up and seeing one of them like crying saying they 3192 03:27:31,410 --> 03:27:33,090 want to go home to their kids. 3193 03:27:33,660 --> 03:27:37,800 So how was how was this lady shot? I mean, she was in go 3194 03:27:37,800 --> 03:27:41,640 trying to get through the door. And it was it. Do you did you 3195 03:27:41,640 --> 03:27:42,570 see who shot her? 3196 03:27:43,770 --> 03:27:47,730 Yeah. So I was getting to that part. So immediately after they 3197 03:27:47,730 --> 03:27:50,130 started breaking through the glass, once they broke through 3198 03:27:50,130 --> 03:27:53,160 the glass, they're using like flagpoles and whatever they had 3199 03:27:53,550 --> 03:27:57,360 to kind of fast through the windows. The on the right hand 3200 03:27:57,360 --> 03:28:00,660 side, this lady was able to like make her way all the way through 3201 03:28:00,660 --> 03:28:06,240 the window. all we see is these guns come out of the doorways 3202 03:28:06,270 --> 03:28:09,480 just guns guys, all you can see is their hand and that's it you 3203 03:28:09,480 --> 03:28:13,650 can see faces. And right when I saw that I was yelling to people 3204 03:28:13,650 --> 03:28:15,570 I was like, Guys, there's guns, there's guns. You don't want to 3205 03:28:15,570 --> 03:28:18,570 go through there like that. They're like everybody shoot, 3206 03:28:18,810 --> 03:28:22,410 like not just like hold it there and run away. Everybody gonna 3207 03:28:22,440 --> 03:28:23,340 shoot to kill, 3208 03:28:23,850 --> 03:28:25,440 huh? 3209 03:28:25,710 --> 03:28:32,460 guns. And I got a wonderful clip that was in Audible, but it has 3210 03:28:32,460 --> 03:28:35,940 the subtitles to wit him and Jade. So there is a 3211 03:28:36,480 --> 03:28:39,930 grant. So this guy, they made such a big deal about him with 3212 03:28:39,930 --> 03:28:43,470 his footage. But really, he was just there to propagate more 3213 03:28:43,470 --> 03:28:44,280 messaging. 3214 03:28:45,390 --> 03:28:50,400 Yes. But then I had to take him down. No, well, for whatever 3215 03:28:50,400 --> 03:28:56,310 reason. It was. Yeah, but j soccer. I can't find anything on 3216 03:28:56,310 --> 03:28:59,790 her her was that her website, um, that she's done some 3217 03:28:59,850 --> 03:29:03,180 interesting photo journalism. But like I said, I have the 3218 03:29:03,180 --> 03:29:08,430 footage of her and him in the in the, in the Capitol. He's I told 3219 03:29:08,430 --> 03:29:10,800 you, I could get you in there. And like, he's not like he liked 3220 03:29:10,800 --> 03:29:13,620 her. He was I told you, I get you here. And she's like, Oh, 3221 03:29:13,620 --> 03:29:16,230 this is awesome. JOHN asked me and she was like, he was like, I 3222 03:29:16,230 --> 03:29:19,230 love you. And she's like, What do you say? He's like nothing. 3223 03:29:19,740 --> 03:29:23,430 He was saying like he was clearly he was clearly enamored 3224 03:29:23,430 --> 03:29:26,610 with her and like to see what the honeypot and she let him in 3225 03:29:26,610 --> 03:29:30,030 there. She got the footage that she wanted and he was left 3226 03:29:30,030 --> 03:29:35,160 swinging in the wind. That's how I see it. Yeah, yes. This is why 3227 03:29:35,160 --> 03:29:38,640 the internet these newsletters are so valuable, because it's 3228 03:29:38,640 --> 03:29:42,330 certain things that we can't show here that I can show there 3229 03:29:42,330 --> 03:29:46,110 that I found when I go down the rabbit hole. That is you know, 3230 03:29:46,110 --> 03:29:50,220 it was interesting. Like you can really hear it very well. Not we 3231 03:29:50,220 --> 03:29:52,710 could we could work my way through it. But no, I think it's 3232 03:29:52,710 --> 03:29:54,540 very more powerful if you actually watch the 3233 03:29:54,539 --> 03:29:59,219 point time. What time do the lives drop? Eight o'clock 3234 03:29:59,220 --> 03:30:02,490 Wednesday. Eastern eastern standard time 3235 03:30:02,550 --> 03:30:06,510 and and the show same time Wednesday town 3236 03:30:06,510 --> 03:30:09,360 okay yep so Wednesday eight o'clock come to mo facts on 3237 03:30:09,360 --> 03:30:11,850 YouTube and you'll find something something going on 3238 03:30:11,850 --> 03:30:16,590 over there either a new show or the laugh I lost eight and 3239 03:30:16,590 --> 03:30:20,730 we premiered on on the YouTube and then we we get it up on the 3240 03:30:20,730 --> 03:30:22,080 podcast after that 3241 03:30:22,620 --> 03:30:25,740 yeah right after the premiere is over we'll drop it to the caucus 3242 03:30:25,740 --> 03:30:30,180 apps so that way people can get on our routine with us as far as 3243 03:30:30,660 --> 03:30:33,870 um and it helps the reason why would I know you're like why are 3244 03:30:33,870 --> 03:30:36,690 we going to YouTube if we're trying to go away from it as 3245 03:30:36,690 --> 03:30:40,470 like one man TV say we're trying to grow big so we can come away 3246 03:30:40,470 --> 03:30:47,370 from YouTube right in fact we're doing a honey pot 3247 03:30:50,130 --> 03:30:51,660 here's mo he's the honey 3248 03:30:54,120 --> 03:30:58,110 Alright, so that's what we that's we we have to use the 3249 03:30:58,110 --> 03:31:01,470 algorithms against them. Once that engagement happens it's 3250 03:31:01,470 --> 03:31:06,960 going to send the message to be fun and you know also likes 3251 03:31:06,990 --> 03:31:09,660 shares and comments because that triggers the algorithm as well 3252 03:31:09,810 --> 03:31:15,450 like I said we just need to know what what what a game we're 3253 03:31:15,450 --> 03:31:19,020 playing here yeah we can you know we can beat him and then 3254 03:31:19,020 --> 03:31:25,350 we'll just take a look podcast 2.0 Thanks so I know this is 3255 03:31:25,350 --> 03:31:29,460 kind of a heavy show. And I don't these last two clips I 3256 03:31:29,460 --> 03:31:32,280 don't know where to put this. I don't know if this is government 3257 03:31:32,280 --> 03:31:36,030 control. I don't know if this is natural. I don't know if this is 3258 03:31:36,450 --> 03:31:43,050 a performance art. But this is a command a Ghazi from the blend 3259 03:31:43,050 --> 03:31:48,360 of black hammers. And this is East he Sue's message to anti 3260 03:31:48,360 --> 03:31:49,170 fur one. 3261 03:31:49,740 --> 03:31:55,200 Oh and Tifa is me kasi the commander in chief of black hair 3262 03:31:55,200 --> 03:32:04,230 organization land back I heard you had some not so nice things 3263 03:32:04,230 --> 03:32:10,680 to say about me. I heard you had some nice things to say about my 3264 03:32:10,680 --> 03:32:20,910 hammers. Not so nice things to do. So one of my members one of 3265 03:32:20,910 --> 03:32:27,210 my dear dear members an African Filipino mother talks and 3266 03:32:27,210 --> 03:32:30,090 thought she could get away with it thought we're gonna back down 3267 03:32:33,960 --> 03:32:38,160 that's not gonna happen. messed with the wrong one this time? 3268 03:32:38,340 --> 03:32:46,290 Yes. Oh, yes, you did. Oh, yes, you can because we don't take it 3269 03:32:46,290 --> 03:32:53,400 lightly. When harm is done, to our African colonized women, 3270 03:32:54,240 --> 03:33:05,910 that's why black hammer we say touch one. Touch one. Touch 1141 3271 03:33:07,650 --> 03:33:12,840 you test one of us. So now you've taught all of us and 3272 03:33:12,840 --> 03:33:14,940 we're gonna have to do something about it. 3273 03:33:22,710 --> 03:33:27,450 Okay, is this is this the same color? Is this the same black 3274 03:33:27,450 --> 03:33:30,330 hammer? Who was saying stand with us? We're against the 3275 03:33:30,330 --> 03:33:34,500 vaccines were behind Nicki Minaj or am I confused? 3276 03:33:34,679 --> 03:33:36,689 Ah ha that's the same one 3277 03:33:37,169 --> 03:33:40,769 holy crap man she's acting there I don't know who she is but 3278 03:33:40,769 --> 03:33:42,809 that's the he that's uh he 3279 03:33:43,259 --> 03:33:46,979 yes you got to do what you got to do it we got some look we are 3280 03:33:46,979 --> 03:33:52,079 live in town live go to you to type in Ethan's like I said the 3281 03:33:52,079 --> 03:33:55,499 same thing is in the in the title. Okay, hold 3282 03:33:55,500 --> 03:34:04,620 on a sec. He sews message he Sue's message to an Tifa just so 3283 03:34:04,620 --> 03:34:07,110 I can see it right and that's what this is all about. Okay, 3284 03:34:07,110 --> 03:34:08,070 hold on a second let me 3285 03:34:08,700 --> 03:34:10,110 you got to have a visual of this 3286 03:34:10,710 --> 03:34:11,340 okay 3287 03:34:15,180 --> 03:34:22,020 Alright, here we go. Is it plan Come on Oh, hold on a second. 3288 03:34:22,110 --> 03:34:24,120 For some reason it's not coming through. 3289 03:34:25,860 --> 03:34:27,060 Headphones Here we go. 3290 03:34:32,700 --> 03:34:34,320 Yeah, it's got the hammer No, 3291 03:34:34,320 --> 03:34:36,390 you see I just want you to see I want you to see him. 3292 03:34:36,420 --> 03:34:39,210 Yeah. Why would the white face though the white maybe? 3293 03:34:40,230 --> 03:34:44,310 Yes. And the Joker what's going on here but now I want I'm gonna 3294 03:34:44,310 --> 03:34:46,320 play the second clip. I want you to get a visual. 3295 03:34:46,350 --> 03:34:49,230 Yeah, I got my visual. It's scary. Mo 3296 03:34:51,150 --> 03:34:54,270 southie I don't know if this is real. I don't know if this is 3297 03:34:54,270 --> 03:34:58,410 like a splinter sale. Like you know, they couldn't. Well, 3298 03:34:58,440 --> 03:35:01,020 really, man. I don't I don't know. where to put this but 3299 03:35:04,890 --> 03:35:07,620 for all I know this is a white guy playing the black guy with 3300 03:35:07,620 --> 03:35:08,460 white face 3301 03:35:09,690 --> 03:35:14,790 I mean where his his pictures in the white face okay that is 3302 03:35:14,790 --> 03:35:17,640 appropriation if we if we want to if we want to be to the 3303 03:35:17,640 --> 03:35:21,630 letter of the law Yeah, he is appropriating whiteness with it 3304 03:35:21,630 --> 03:35:26,010 with the face I mean if we want to be to the letter of the law 3305 03:35:26,010 --> 03:35:29,520 of oneness This is even more fascinating 3306 03:35:29,550 --> 03:35:33,690 okay hold on hold on a second hold on a second I'm looking at 3307 03:35:33,690 --> 03:35:38,190 their website you love this don't you? I'm looking at their 3308 03:35:38,190 --> 03:35:43,440 website okay donate and you always got to click the donate 3309 03:35:43,440 --> 03:35:46,140 button to see where the donations going and so we got to 3310 03:35:46,140 --> 03:35:48,000 follow the money people let's see 3311 03:35:49,770 --> 03:35:51,630 the live curry cash check folks. 3312 03:35:51,630 --> 03:35:57,450 No, I'm impressed. I'm impressed. They've got Bitcoin 3313 03:35:58,350 --> 03:36:07,170 Bitcoin donations. Okay, that's not bad. Let's see what that's 3314 03:36:07,170 --> 03:36:11,070 got to see where it's going to ah, it'll it'll take me too long 3315 03:36:11,070 --> 03:36:13,560 because I got to fill in some information. This I will have 3316 03:36:13,800 --> 03:36:16,920 Okay, I say this. Can you give it to me so I can relate to 3317 03:36:16,920 --> 03:36:22,620 people? Oh, yeah. On on. On the last day. Oh, heck yeah. I mean, 3318 03:36:22,950 --> 03:36:25,980 this is gonna be fun. This is gonna be fun. Cuz now I get to 3319 03:36:25,980 --> 03:36:29,880 stop you and you get to go do your thing. Then we get to feed 3320 03:36:29,880 --> 03:36:30,750 it back to the people. 3321 03:36:31,650 --> 03:36:34,860 This This group is something else Mo. 3322 03:36:35,520 --> 03:36:38,160 You want to hear more? Yeah. Okay, 3323 03:36:38,160 --> 03:36:39,330 let's play let's play the next year 3324 03:36:40,140 --> 03:36:45,930 to talk about me. You want to call me anti semitic. You wanted 3325 03:36:45,930 --> 03:36:51,150 to call me an anti vaxxer cuz we're against vaccines. You 3326 03:36:51,150 --> 03:36:58,770 wanted to call me all kinds of horrific things. When I don't 3327 03:36:58,770 --> 03:37:03,540 really give a damn. And none of us give a damn well, where you 3328 03:37:03,540 --> 03:37:10,500 went wrong was when you docked one of my members an amazing 3329 03:37:11,010 --> 03:37:16,950 African Filipino mother and you made her so worried about her 3330 03:37:16,950 --> 03:37:22,620 own safety that she had to pay for more expensive security 3331 03:37:22,620 --> 03:37:25,740 system that she could barely afford it because you know that 3332 03:37:25,740 --> 03:37:31,800 the reality of us poor and working class people we don't 3333 03:37:31,800 --> 03:37:36,690 have money to spend and especially not with COVID taking 3334 03:37:36,690 --> 03:37:44,220 all of our jobs away. So we told you you need to pay up. We told 3335 03:37:44,220 --> 03:37:53,430 you you need to give reparations to our comrades that you mirror 3336 03:37:53,940 --> 03:37:58,140 all those nasty things you want to say about me and say about my 3337 03:37:58,140 --> 03:37:58,800 pattern 3338 03:38:06,840 --> 03:38:08,940 you want to call out for movement but we're not gonna let 3339 03:38:08,940 --> 03:38:14,970 it happen not this time. Mayo boys and girls in your suburban 3340 03:38:14,970 --> 03:38:18,690 world What a joke but our hashtag done so you can cut 3341 03:38:18,690 --> 03:38:23,400 outside of your video game and break down some businesses while 3342 03:38:23,400 --> 03:38:26,280 you've been messing up because you've been destroying black and 3343 03:38:26,280 --> 03:38:27,360 brown businesses 3344 03:38:29,250 --> 03:38:33,690 is this the same group that was going to you know get some land 3345 03:38:33,690 --> 03:38:39,510 in Colorado and this is performance art and this is this 3346 03:38:39,510 --> 03:38:44,910 has got to be the largest troll in the world or perhaps a very 3347 03:38:44,910 --> 03:38:48,480 sophisticated op that is unfolding slowly 3348 03:38:48,960 --> 03:38:51,960 I don't know that's why I said I don't know where to put this 3349 03:38:51,990 --> 03:38:57,750 because Are you burning an Tifa Are you willing to go out to any 3350 03:38:57,750 --> 03:39:01,050 vaccine like that and up and up and not 3351 03:39:01,860 --> 03:39:06,690 look at this sellout AOC dropping jaws and dropping bombs 3352 03:39:07,140 --> 03:39:10,110 they got they've got a they've got a real organization here 3353 03:39:10,110 --> 03:39:14,970 with people this this website is is maintained you know something 3354 03:39:14,970 --> 03:39:18,570 that's not bad. This is a good cheese. 3355 03:39:18,840 --> 03:39:23,910 Fascinating. Like I said, I don't I had to lean. You're not 3356 03:39:23,910 --> 03:39:27,990 going to bring up those hot button issues. But it's like 3357 03:39:27,990 --> 03:39:30,810 what what do you do with them? Like what what's going on? I 3358 03:39:30,810 --> 03:39:34,200 don't know. I said, I found it fascinating. I thought that 3359 03:39:34,200 --> 03:39:39,360 would give me a good way to end the show. We're in I know when 3360 03:39:39,360 --> 03:39:43,380 people say we're in a simulation by red light waves going on 3361 03:39:43,380 --> 03:39:43,710 here. 3362 03:39:44,490 --> 03:39:47,370 Well this is put together by some script kiddies. But they 3363 03:39:47,370 --> 03:39:52,110 have they have the organizational manual, which is 3364 03:39:52,110 --> 03:39:58,650 pretty detailed. And you know how to organize Okay, this is 3365 03:39:58,680 --> 03:40:01,980 there's something sophisticated. going on here, huh? There's 3366 03:40:01,980 --> 03:40:04,860 something very sophisticated here. And they've been doing 3367 03:40:04,860 --> 03:40:08,790 this this isn't they're not brand new. No, they're not brand 3368 03:40:08,790 --> 03:40:19,290 new. Oh my god. Well, Mo thank you once again for all that. 3369 03:40:20,490 --> 03:40:25,590 Appreciate it. Man. That's a wrap on binary thinking. 3370 03:40:25,950 --> 03:40:29,040 Everybody has had their two shots. If you listen to the show 3371 03:40:29,040 --> 03:40:34,020 so far, have your you know the vaccine to heal you know people 3372 03:40:34,020 --> 03:40:35,580 who are listening, be empathetic listening. 3373 03:40:35,610 --> 03:40:39,180 And don't worry, don't worry if your immunity wanes we've got a 3374 03:40:39,180 --> 03:40:43,770 booster with live next Wednesday and another show like a booster 3375 03:40:43,770 --> 03:40:45,960 after that and a booster every week if you want. 3376 03:40:46,080 --> 03:40:48,030 Yeah, we got boost every two weeks. 3377 03:40:49,140 --> 03:40:52,050 Mo Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much for doing such a 3378 03:40:52,050 --> 03:40:56,040 great job man. This This was I always learn something. And 3379 03:40:56,040 --> 03:40:59,580 sometimes it's just like, Wow, my mouth, my jaw drops open. And 3380 03:40:59,580 --> 03:41:02,430 this was one of those moments. It was great job really cool. 3381 03:41:03,180 --> 03:41:07,500 I appreciate Adam. And as I always say, pay attention to 3382 03:41:07,500 --> 03:41:09,930 everything and the truth reveal itself. 3383 03:41:09,990 --> 03:41:14,310 Remember to support our small facts calm mo I will talk to you 3384 03:41:15,390 --> 03:41:16,110 within the week. 3385 03:41:16,890 --> 03:41:18,450 Yeah, I'll see you later. I'll 3386 03:41:18,630 --> 03:41:20,310 see y'all next week. Everybody Bye. 3387 03:41:34,110 --> 03:42:10,740 Walk into your gut, his Sherman's stamp. And can you 3388 03:42:25,080 --> 03:42:26,460 just wait. 3389 03:42:41,310 --> 03:42:46,830 Just that's mentioned. When you feel good. 3390 03:43:08,760 --> 03:43:12,390 Just saying you 3391 03:43:18,960 --> 03:43:36,990 can make me and you