1 00:00:02,370 --> 00:00:06,840 moe facts with Adam Curry for September 1 2021, Episode Number 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:15,600 65. Yes, we are back with a new month. A new round incredible 3 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:20,520 energy. After all, I'm Adam Curry here in the hill country 4 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,610 of Texas and my friend on the other end is somewhere in 5 00:00:23,610 --> 00:00:26,460 Northern Virginia. Good to talk to him again. Ladies gentlemen, 6 00:00:26,460 --> 00:00:34,410 Mr. Mo Fox. Well, I'm doing great Mo. It's so good to speak 7 00:00:34,410 --> 00:00:40,260 with you again. It's been ages. Ages it has it has Well, we're 8 00:00:40,260 --> 00:00:44,760 trying to get our crap together trying to get back on track. And 9 00:00:45,060 --> 00:00:47,040 we have the perseverance. That's for sure. 10 00:00:48,030 --> 00:00:51,150 That is for sure. And we do have a full bag for the people as 11 00:00:51,150 --> 00:00:56,100 well. Yes. That's the only thing they care about. Really. They 12 00:00:56,100 --> 00:00:59,040 really do. They really do. wind up that wheel the wheel of 13 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,260 topics. Let's see, we're gonna be talking about today on Moe 14 00:01:01,260 --> 00:01:04,080 facts with Adam Curry Episode Number 65. where it stops 15 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,480 nobody knows except of course for Moe he knows exactly we're 16 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:10,800 going to talk about today the topic for both X 65 is 17 00:01:10,889 --> 00:01:12,809 great actor and comedian Bill Cosby. 18 00:01:13,830 --> 00:01:18,540 Yeah, this is one this is when we had to do this is this. An 19 00:01:18,540 --> 00:01:23,190 old Bill Cosby thing came in such a weird time. In the in the 20 00:01:23,190 --> 00:01:26,730 timeline of life with everything going on with Corona and with 21 00:01:26,730 --> 00:01:30,510 Rona with the COVID and with just everything. It was like all 22 00:01:30,510 --> 00:01:32,430 of a sudden that and then there was that? 23 00:01:33,450 --> 00:01:39,660 And then there wasn't. There wasn't exactly it came and then 24 00:01:39,660 --> 00:01:43,680 it went. So I'm sure this is probably off a lot of people's 25 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,640 radars now. But as you know, I like to pick a topic and go all 26 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:54,420 the way through. kind of explain the backstory to this one hell 27 00:01:54,420 --> 00:01:59,580 of a man Bill Cosby if I have to say so myself. But I only know 28 00:01:59,580 --> 00:02:08,130 him as Bill Cosby, the TV show. Fat Albert in those things, 29 00:02:08,130 --> 00:02:10,560 right? We don't know who these people are. And the jello. 30 00:02:10,950 --> 00:02:12,570 Bill Cosby from the jello, 31 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,470 right? Kiss Donna stain. I mean, he has I mean, and then even 32 00:02:16,470 --> 00:02:20,070 when you go back to his earlier movies, so Ghost Dad, and even 33 00:02:20,070 --> 00:02:24,750 before then, so we don't know these people. But what I like to 34 00:02:24,750 --> 00:02:28,860 do more, instead of getting into the nuts and bolts of the case, 35 00:02:29,460 --> 00:02:32,790 is to get into the narrative behind the whole story with Bill 36 00:02:32,790 --> 00:02:37,980 Cosby, how he was really how he was used, if he was used. And 37 00:02:37,980 --> 00:02:42,360 why he was used. If he was if he was in deed, you'd well come 38 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,540 on now mode would be a very short show. If he wasn't used. 39 00:02:45,570 --> 00:02:50,850 We all know you got something up your sleeve. gave it away there. 40 00:02:53,669 --> 00:02:56,729 He might be the puppet here. I mean, who knows? You see, I'm 41 00:02:56,729 --> 00:02:59,609 saying so what we have to do without a doubt at 42 00:02:59,610 --> 00:03:04,170 one point in the in the 80s. In the late 1890s. He was one of 43 00:03:04,170 --> 00:03:06,450 the most powerful people in show business. 44 00:03:06,900 --> 00:03:11,700 And this is why this is one of my most anticipated shows one of 45 00:03:11,700 --> 00:03:16,950 my most gut wrenching shows because it with all just to lay 46 00:03:16,950 --> 00:03:22,530 it all out there. Up until this point of this these stories 47 00:03:22,530 --> 00:03:25,980 coming along. He was one of my favorite people. I mean, like I 48 00:03:25,980 --> 00:03:29,910 said, everyone, I mean favorite people as who he portrayed in my 49 00:03:29,910 --> 00:03:34,260 childhood and growing up, I have not have know who Bill Cosby is 50 00:03:34,260 --> 00:03:38,760 as a person. But the what he projected out, we can't deny 51 00:03:38,790 --> 00:03:44,190 what impact he had not only on black Americans, eight off, but 52 00:03:44,190 --> 00:03:49,170 also just the Americans in that grew up in that time. At 53 00:03:49,229 --> 00:03:53,759 Oh yeah. I mean, well, even before the 80s really. But 54 00:03:53,759 --> 00:03:57,809 right? Oh yeah. Same for me like the Cosby's, I was you watch 55 00:03:57,809 --> 00:03:58,649 that you stayed home you 56 00:03:58,650 --> 00:04:01,860 watch the Cosby's and that's why I don't think people really 57 00:04:01,860 --> 00:04:06,060 understand is the fact that we don't have that now set for 58 00:04:06,060 --> 00:04:09,600 sports, where everybody stops what they're doing to tune into 59 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:13,140 something in television and that was like a shared consciousness 60 00:04:13,140 --> 00:04:14,040 consciousness like 61 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,610 we had that with Fresh Prince of Bel Air in a similar manner. I 62 00:04:17,610 --> 00:04:21,840 think every pre DVD pre DVR Right, right. Right. 63 00:04:22,260 --> 00:04:24,810 It was like you had to catch you or you know, I mean, we had of 64 00:04:24,810 --> 00:04:28,530 course we had VHS but pre DVR where you could just mash a 65 00:04:28,530 --> 00:04:31,470 button and it would record and right you we were all locked in 66 00:04:31,470 --> 00:04:34,440 that was kind of like what the internet and social media is now 67 00:04:34,650 --> 00:04:39,480 while we experienced something right? Or even the phone call 68 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,180 afterwards. And that was one thing I remember like as soon as 69 00:04:42,180 --> 00:04:45,330 he went off, like the phone will ring you like Did you see that? 70 00:04:45,330 --> 00:04:47,340 And not just necessarily with this show but and 71 00:04:47,850 --> 00:04:50,580 of course with anything and then you know my sisters and be like 72 00:04:50,580 --> 00:04:53,880 get off the phone. I'm expecting a call. 73 00:04:55,740 --> 00:04:59,340 So with all that said, I guess what we need to do is get into 74 00:04:59,340 --> 00:05:03,720 the media. coverage of Bill Cosby being released. Good day 75 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:03,870 we're 76 00:05:03,870 --> 00:05:06,990 coming back on the air with more breaking news about Bill Cosby. 77 00:05:06,990 --> 00:05:09,840 The comedian was just released from prison after the 78 00:05:09,840 --> 00:05:13,350 Pennsylvania Supreme Court overturned the 83 year old 79 00:05:13,350 --> 00:05:17,610 actress sex assault conviction Cosby served more than two years 80 00:05:17,610 --> 00:05:20,970 of a three to 10 year sevens convicted of drugging and 81 00:05:20,970 --> 00:05:25,410 molesting Temple University employee, Andrea constant. NBC 82 00:05:25,410 --> 00:05:28,800 justice correspondent Pete Williams joins us Pete, what can 83 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,530 you tell us about the the legal reasoning that led to this 84 00:05:31,530 --> 00:05:32,040 decision? 85 00:05:32,669 --> 00:05:35,429 Well, the court says the facts are very straightforward that 86 00:05:35,429 --> 00:05:38,729 when the victim initially came forward, the district attorney 87 00:05:38,729 --> 00:05:41,969 decided not to file charges that there were too many problems 88 00:05:41,969 --> 00:05:45,899 with the evidence, and that he publicly made a statement that 89 00:05:45,899 --> 00:05:48,929 he would not pursue these charges, and that he did so in 90 00:05:48,929 --> 00:05:52,289 order to free up the possibility that Cosby could be forced to 91 00:05:52,289 --> 00:05:56,999 testify in a civil trial that she filed against him later. And 92 00:05:56,999 --> 00:06:00,149 that he could not in that civil trial, then invoke his fifth 93 00:06:00,149 --> 00:06:04,019 amendment right against self incrimination. Because he was 94 00:06:04,019 --> 00:06:07,199 told by the district attorney and believed the advice of his 95 00:06:07,199 --> 00:06:10,829 own lawyers, that anything he said in the civil trial could 96 00:06:10,829 --> 00:06:13,769 not be used against him in the criminal trial if the state 97 00:06:13,769 --> 00:06:17,489 tried it again. So he did testify, he did incriminate 98 00:06:17,489 --> 00:06:20,009 himself. He said things that were incriminating in the civil 99 00:06:20,009 --> 00:06:25,349 trial. And then the district the the state of Pennsylvania came 100 00:06:25,349 --> 00:06:27,749 back and charged him with a crime what the Supreme Court 101 00:06:27,749 --> 00:06:29,969 said today is, you can't do that. 102 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,350 Right. And I think the technicality is, is correct, or 103 00:06:34,350 --> 00:06:35,790 the the analysis of it. 104 00:06:36,570 --> 00:06:42,000 And I'm no lawyer, I'm blaming all my law and order, and suits. 105 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,270 No, but that was the understanding man if you sign a 106 00:06:48,270 --> 00:06:55,620 deal, but even in my low legal analysis, is that if you sign a 107 00:06:55,620 --> 00:06:59,880 deal, then the deal can't be wealdstone. Right used against 108 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:03,750 you. And that's the whole premise behind this. And this is 109 00:07:03,750 --> 00:07:08,880 one of those things that was a real mind. trick for people. 110 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:10,020 It's like, hold on, we'll, 111 00:07:10,170 --> 00:07:14,280 but it was also because of that of that testimony. He gave that 112 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,910 everything was so shocking. And all of the allegations without 113 00:07:17,910 --> 00:07:22,590 ever really having gone through. The whole proceedings just rang 114 00:07:22,590 --> 00:07:23,070 true. 115 00:07:23,790 --> 00:07:27,330 Yeah, and that's the thing. What did he What did he admit to? 116 00:07:27,690 --> 00:07:33,270 Because you're actually gonna see that was a very slight 117 00:07:33,270 --> 00:07:37,800 sleight of hands, knowing what he actually confessed to. And 118 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:42,540 what they asked how they use that confession, as a open shut 119 00:07:42,540 --> 00:07:45,120 case to railroad him off to jail. 120 00:07:45,270 --> 00:07:47,430 Well, why is this not not surprised me? 121 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,690 And we can I want people can we get a trigger warning? First of 122 00:07:51,690 --> 00:07:55,230 all, this is a very triggering topic. Sorry about that. I'm not 123 00:07:55,230 --> 00:07:58,350 caught you off guard. But no, no, I the very triggering topic. 124 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:09,840 I think you're absolutely right. Warning, Warning. Warning, 125 00:08:10,290 --> 00:08:13,860 activated. Now you're going to go back to the reasons why he 126 00:08:13,860 --> 00:08:16,920 was convicted in the first place. And we're going to go 127 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:18,690 through some of that we must I guess, right? 128 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:24,090 Well, just not in the details of the case, I believe and just 129 00:08:24,090 --> 00:08:26,940 like most lawyers will believe the case should have never took 130 00:08:26,940 --> 00:08:30,750 place. So I'm not gonna really get into the cases where he did 131 00:08:30,750 --> 00:08:33,600 it. He didn't do it. Right. And that kind of thing I want to get 132 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:41,820 into why was this allowed to happen? The way they did when 133 00:08:41,820 --> 00:08:46,050 it's clear as day from my law, order, legal degree, yes, I 134 00:08:46,050 --> 00:08:48,960 saw the same thing immediately, like, Oh, this is clearly a 135 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:49,530 violation 136 00:08:49,530 --> 00:08:52,650 of procedure. Right. So you we everybody was waiting for 137 00:08:52,650 --> 00:08:55,620 somebody to step in. But I Oh, no, you can't do that. But 138 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,660 later, thank you for doing this mo because no one's gonna do 139 00:09:00,660 --> 00:09:05,730 this. This is like, the guy's guilty, done, cut and dry. He's 140 00:09:05,730 --> 00:09:08,910 rich. So we got off on a technicality. Mean, doesn't that 141 00:09:08,910 --> 00:09:11,970 I think is the narrative that people are kind of, there's a 142 00:09:11,970 --> 00:09:15,120 lot more stuff that they got to worry about these days. But I 143 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,280 think if you asked anybody to be kind of that's kind of what 144 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,620 happened with him. And that and they don't care anymore, I'm 145 00:09:19,620 --> 00:09:20,010 sure. 146 00:09:20,550 --> 00:09:23,430 And two things could be true. Right. He could be accused 147 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:28,380 actually did. I'm not gonna use Word guilty, but he can actually 148 00:09:28,380 --> 00:09:33,270 have done what he's accused of doing. But still not. At that, 149 00:09:33,270 --> 00:09:37,710 by our rules and laws of America. Yes. not been convicted 150 00:09:37,710 --> 00:09:40,380 of it due to I don't think this would be considered double 151 00:09:40,380 --> 00:09:44,370 jeopardy. I think it was the fact that he testified under the 152 00:09:44,430 --> 00:09:47,790 understanding that he wouldn't be it couldn't add a fifth 153 00:09:47,790 --> 00:09:50,370 amendment right. It's coming don't have to incriminate 154 00:09:50,370 --> 00:09:55,200 yourself and going into this show. I'm of the opinion, both 155 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,860 can be true. Right. So that's where I'm at. That's where 156 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:03,270 we're And I think a lot of people are that now, to what 157 00:10:03,270 --> 00:10:07,680 extent right now because we Okay, let's, I don't want to get 158 00:10:07,680 --> 00:10:11,040 too far into it. But that's that's the layout of the first, 159 00:10:11,370 --> 00:10:14,730 maybe third or the show is just looking at why was this allowed 160 00:10:14,730 --> 00:10:18,000 to happen to him? When it's clear as day If man you wish as 161 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:22,200 lawyers, we could have got him off. If you know if we're going 162 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:22,710 by the law. 163 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,840 Well, he is going by the law not going by media because the media 164 00:10:27,900 --> 00:10:31,320 had was just cutting him down. That was just done when we got 165 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:36,510 the women coming out. The timing was right. It was no Weinstein 166 00:10:36,510 --> 00:10:38,490 stuff in the picture all over the place. 167 00:10:38,970 --> 00:10:46,470 Yes, he was he was carrying God. Sorry about that. From the 168 00:10:46,470 --> 00:10:51,300 future, man, I'm sorry. Not to belabor this point in this clip, 169 00:10:51,300 --> 00:10:55,710 but I just want to point out that he actually was forced, not 170 00:10:55,710 --> 00:10:59,010 forced, but agreed to testify, because he couldn't use the 171 00:10:59,010 --> 00:11:01,620 Fifth Amendment as his protection in a civil trial. 172 00:11:01,680 --> 00:11:06,540 Right. So it's like he got double screwed, because you tell 173 00:11:06,540 --> 00:11:10,230 me they can't be used against me in the criminal trial. So I'll 174 00:11:10,230 --> 00:11:12,870 tell you what I know. In the civil trial, I'm sure he had to 175 00:11:12,870 --> 00:11:15,630 pay out for the civil trial. Yeah, yeah. And then he turned 176 00:11:15,630 --> 00:11:16,800 around and get no. 177 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:18,750 In the criminal trial. 178 00:11:19,170 --> 00:11:22,260 Right. So that was just a fascinating. And this is where 179 00:11:22,260 --> 00:11:27,960 the, if you want to divide it, not a race line, and even down a 180 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:32,520 gender line? The races like how black people were like some 181 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,460 black people? Oh, as you're gonna see, but I don't Well, you 182 00:11:35,460 --> 00:11:39,600 can't do that. That's not the that's not justice. But as we 183 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,810 talked about on the show, Justice is not what we think 184 00:11:42,810 --> 00:11:47,130 justice is at all. And then down the gender line, it's like well, 185 00:11:47,490 --> 00:11:51,360 yet again, you have some man, it's a well, even if he did do 186 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:56,190 it, by the law, he shouldn't be trotting before it. So just just 187 00:11:56,190 --> 00:11:59,220 to lay that out. So I'm glad, just want to get the context of 188 00:11:59,220 --> 00:12:01,110 what we're talking about here. So we can go ahead and get into 189 00:12:01,110 --> 00:12:02,340 the clip. Number three, 190 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,990 you can't do that you made him, you gave him a reason to believe 191 00:12:06,990 --> 00:12:09,810 that he could testify at the civil trial without putting 192 00:12:09,810 --> 00:12:12,810 himself in jeopardy of the criminal prosecution. The 193 00:12:12,810 --> 00:12:17,220 Pennsylvania court said, our sense of fair play and decency, 194 00:12:17,730 --> 00:12:21,000 compels us to believe that the district attorney, the district 195 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,270 attorney had to stand by the decision that was made by a 196 00:12:24,270 --> 00:12:28,230 predecessor in the office not to charge. So that's the reasoning 197 00:12:28,230 --> 00:12:31,950 of the court the outcome, Lester is that he cannot be tried 198 00:12:31,950 --> 00:12:35,940 again, on these charges. That means that the woman at the 199 00:12:35,940 --> 00:12:40,320 center of this case, she can't be the subject of another 200 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:44,670 criminal prosecution, this one is over. Now, that doesn't mean 201 00:12:44,670 --> 00:12:47,760 that other victims could come forward and the state could 202 00:12:47,970 --> 00:12:50,760 investigate and decide whether or not to pursue criminal 203 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:54,900 charges based on entirely different facts. But there can't 204 00:12:54,900 --> 00:12:58,710 be a retrial on this case. We know that there are other women 205 00:12:58,710 --> 00:13:03,960 who testified what they thought was similar behavior against 206 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:08,280 them. There's a statute of limitations issue with that 207 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:12,060 prevents some of these cases from going forward, potentially, 208 00:13:12,060 --> 00:13:15,180 in the court doesn't explicitly says here that they're not 209 00:13:15,180 --> 00:13:19,470 making any decision about any other potential case or any of 210 00:13:19,470 --> 00:13:22,380 the testimony that was offered in the civil trial. They simply 211 00:13:22,380 --> 00:13:24,780 say that issue isn't before us, and we're not going to answer 212 00:13:24,780 --> 00:13:24,900 it. 213 00:13:26,070 --> 00:13:29,670 This whole thing really stinks. And it kind of passed us by 214 00:13:30,330 --> 00:13:31,950 again, it was like, Well, 215 00:13:33,210 --> 00:13:37,080 okay, because it was perfect. And you'll see how I was 216 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,260 perfect, when it first ramped up was right at the beginning of 217 00:13:40,260 --> 00:13:46,890 the election cycle. 2013 kind of got faded there. And then 218 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:51,510 through the whole Trump, you know, administration, you know, 219 00:13:52,439 --> 00:13:53,819 everyone's doing other stuff, 220 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,700 right, right. But Trump was a victim of the same thing Bill 221 00:13:56,700 --> 00:13:59,670 Cosby was, and the same thing is, now we're seeing what 222 00:13:59,670 --> 00:14:03,600 deshaun Watson in the football player down in Houston, and even 223 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,870 to the staff of Tiger Woods, and what that is, is when one victim 224 00:14:06,870 --> 00:14:11,400 comes out, there's this floodgate of women that say, Oh, 225 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,890 yeah, Me too, me to meet no pun intended 226 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:17,550 that well, at the time. It was literally me to Harvey 227 00:14:17,550 --> 00:14:20,130 Weinstein. I mean, there was a lot of me to going on. 228 00:14:20,610 --> 00:14:24,750 Right. But what I'm saying is this feeds into see now we got 229 00:14:24,780 --> 00:14:29,670 this is why we do this. Because whenever you see a black man 230 00:14:29,670 --> 00:14:33,630 accused of some kind of sexual assault in this manner. Now, 231 00:14:33,780 --> 00:14:37,590 that level, let me be clear of that level of celebrity is 232 00:14:37,590 --> 00:14:41,400 always a floodgate to follow it. And as I said, with john Watson, 233 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:46,080 I think he's up to 2030 women. Oh, I see. I see job experience 234 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,270 the bottom right, and I see what you're saying the flip 235 00:14:48,270 --> 00:14:52,170 the floodgate is more not more men being accused, but that that 236 00:14:52,170 --> 00:14:53,790 man being accused by more women, 237 00:14:54,210 --> 00:14:57,660 right and like we saw with Trump and that experience the bottom 238 00:14:57,660 --> 00:15:00,330 right it was excuse me, 45 savage cuz I want Trigger 239 00:15:00,330 --> 00:15:05,520 anybody, but it was another Yeah, no. Yeah. 240 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,430 Yeah, it's like 20 or something. Yeah. 241 00:15:08,460 --> 00:15:12,810 Right. And he knows a Crim. I mean, well, criminal or civil or 242 00:15:13,860 --> 00:15:14,730 I was saying, 243 00:15:15,030 --> 00:15:19,890 dude, before, you know, he was just president and was already 244 00:15:20,190 --> 00:15:23,100 golden shower with the Russian hookers. I mean, yeah, there was 245 00:15:23,100 --> 00:15:25,410 a lot, a lot of accusations. 246 00:15:25,710 --> 00:15:30,960 Right. So this dissent, but at the same time, he wasn't hauled 247 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,840 off to jail like Bill Cosby was not when I say trumped up 248 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:39,270 charge. Oh, the fifth. His protections of his fifth 249 00:15:39,270 --> 00:15:44,310 amendment right. were violated and nobody stepped up to say 250 00:15:44,310 --> 00:15:44,640 Bill 251 00:15:45,420 --> 00:15:46,860 Cosby actually got arrested 252 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:52,260 right around the ranch the perp walk. And we see we see how this 253 00:15:52,260 --> 00:15:54,960 stuff normally works. Normally is worse than somebody who's 254 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,440 caliber. The Lauria picks up the phone a bill is gonna come 255 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,770 through the back door 5pm you know, I mean, we're gonna get 256 00:16:01,770 --> 00:16:04,950 this done. We you see the perp walks in and I want to lay it 257 00:16:04,950 --> 00:16:09,090 out and juxtapose it to when you see people like, what's the 258 00:16:09,090 --> 00:16:13,890 guy's name that Trump's got? got arrested for? Me got arrested 259 00:16:13,890 --> 00:16:19,770 for Trump. Manafort. Roger stones, it's like six in the 260 00:16:19,770 --> 00:16:22,170 morning poem kicking down the door right on the Mount 261 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:27,270 innocent. When you see that that is a media spectacle. Yes, what 262 00:16:27,270 --> 00:16:30,000 was done to Beal right. And I want I want to make this last 263 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:34,680 point is with Tiger Woods. Tiger Woods did nothing illegal? No. 264 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:36,060 He just had an 265 00:16:36,060 --> 00:16:36,570 affair. 266 00:16:37,380 --> 00:16:42,600 Well, what same thing? It was 1820 2730 women, Kamala Yeah, it 267 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,660 was Tiger Woods, Tiger Woods, girlfriend. So when you see 268 00:16:45,660 --> 00:16:51,240 these things, this plays on the I just want 269 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:58,170 to say just as the guy now moving up on 57 years. I know a 270 00:16:58,170 --> 00:17:03,180 lot of men, celebrities, who have indeed have a lot of sexual 271 00:17:03,180 --> 00:17:07,860 relations with a lot of women. Correct? Do I'm not saying that 272 00:17:07,860 --> 00:17:08,910 that didn't happen. 273 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,660 I know what I'm saying the way it was covered. They were saying 274 00:17:12,660 --> 00:17:15,930 like, it's like, they do this thing. You see it in the media 275 00:17:15,930 --> 00:17:19,530 where the front page is like pitcher, a pitcher like blocking 276 00:17:19,530 --> 00:17:22,320 the block of the block percent of women. And it's like, you 277 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:27,150 know, this is his hitless. But this plays into the narrative 278 00:17:27,180 --> 00:17:30,900 that specifically black men are sexual predators, and which 279 00:17:30,900 --> 00:17:33,600 plays into the history of lynching and all the other stuff 280 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:38,730 that comes with it. So don't let that be lost on you. I hear you 281 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:40,860 when this is saying it's like What the hell's going on here? 282 00:17:40,890 --> 00:17:44,850 Hear me like, you don't see Les Moonves or none of these people 283 00:17:45,450 --> 00:17:49,620 walked in and treated in the manner that Bill Cosby is and we 284 00:17:49,620 --> 00:17:54,480 still saying that two things can be true at the same time. So now 285 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:55,200 we're going to go over to 286 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,540 Harvey Weinstein did get perp walked 287 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:02,100 Of course he was given up. always talk about sorrows right. 288 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,940 versus not pulling all the strings in the New World Order. 289 00:18:05,940 --> 00:18:09,090 Right. He's somebody got to draw the short straw. I think the 290 00:18:09,090 --> 00:18:12,240 same thing with Matt made off right. made off ran all this by 291 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,420 myself. Come on. I mean, I think they sit in the room, either. 292 00:18:15,420 --> 00:18:18,810 It's like, Okay, you got to take this case. Sorry, Bernie. 293 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,440 Bright, you know, saying you got to take this case in my is like, 294 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,110 where my kids gonna be alright. Yeah. grandkids. Yeah, yeah, 295 00:18:25,110 --> 00:18:29,190 they're good. All right, I'll take it. Or is cool. Can we put 296 00:18:29,190 --> 00:18:33,150 up on the altar to be sacrifice? I don't know which which case it 297 00:18:33,150 --> 00:18:36,780 is. But I just think these people are representative of a 298 00:18:36,780 --> 00:18:40,740 problem that they try to present is being taken care of? 299 00:18:41,850 --> 00:18:44,550 Well, on that same with all organized crime, I guess. 300 00:18:45,090 --> 00:18:48,360 Of course, yeah, we may. We may call the cases in the wire. 301 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,140 Exactly. I was thinking I didn't 302 00:18:52,140 --> 00:18:55,830 want to say it. But yeah, ever since I've seen the wire now. I 303 00:18:55,830 --> 00:19:00,480 get it. Gotcha. Got him. We got him. Folks. We are all the way. 304 00:19:02,220 --> 00:19:05,910 So let's get into now we're gonna go to CBS This Morning 305 00:19:05,910 --> 00:19:09,270 with Gail and she's speaking to glory are rich. 306 00:19:09,930 --> 00:19:12,930 We're joined now by Janice Baker Kenny, who took the stand as a 307 00:19:12,930 --> 00:19:17,310 witness in Bill Cosby's 2018 trial. she testified that she 308 00:19:17,310 --> 00:19:20,760 was sexually assaulted by the actor in the 80s. And her lawyer 309 00:19:20,790 --> 00:19:23,130 Gloria. All right, who represents dozens of women 310 00:19:23,130 --> 00:19:26,550 accused who have accused Bill Cosby of assault. Good morning 311 00:19:26,550 --> 00:19:29,280 to you both. Janice, I want to start with you. Because last 312 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,580 night it was reported that you were processing this this latest 313 00:19:32,580 --> 00:19:35,460 turn of events. What's your reaction today? And how are you 314 00:19:35,460 --> 00:19:36,060 feeling? 315 00:19:37,770 --> 00:19:40,890 Well, good morning, Gail. I'm still processing everything 316 00:19:40,890 --> 00:19:46,530 that's going on. I just need to remember now. It's almost like a 317 00:19:46,530 --> 00:19:51,870 mantra for me that he was released on a legal technicality 318 00:19:51,930 --> 00:19:56,490 and not because he's innocent. He is not innocent. He'll never 319 00:19:56,490 --> 00:19:58,620 be innocent, and I need to hold on to that. 320 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:04,050 So what Would justice look like to you now? Because he is 321 00:20:04,050 --> 00:20:06,930 claiming that he is innocent. He's claiming claiming that 322 00:20:06,930 --> 00:20:08,250 justice has been served. 323 00:20:10,830 --> 00:20:13,890 He's going to always claim he was innocent that that story, he 324 00:20:13,950 --> 00:20:18,150 has never changed. But the 60 plus women that have come 325 00:20:18,150 --> 00:20:29,130 forward, we all know the truth. So his legacy is will never be 326 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,730 what it used to be. So a little bit of justice served there. He 327 00:20:32,730 --> 00:20:37,230 just served two years, a little bit of justice in the fact that 328 00:20:37,230 --> 00:20:44,610 he is a disgraced former America's dad. I can live with 329 00:20:44,610 --> 00:20:44,940 that. 330 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:50,100 Wow. Yeah. That was, that was unnecessary roughness on the 331 00:20:50,100 --> 00:20:50,580 play. 332 00:20:51,210 --> 00:20:53,430 If you want to take down the patriarchy, 333 00:20:53,460 --> 00:20:55,800 you might as well do it that way. I'm just bringing down 334 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:57,660 America's dad. Now America's 335 00:20:57,660 --> 00:21:04,260 Dad, this is all about it does have a tinge of race to it, just 336 00:21:04,260 --> 00:21:07,890 because of who was the victims or alleged victims, and who was 337 00:21:07,890 --> 00:21:11,610 the perpetrator? But I think this was a design hit on the 338 00:21:11,610 --> 00:21:16,650 patriarchy itself, being she's not America's black dad. Right. 339 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:23,070 Now, Bill Cosby was America's dad, if you had any family, 340 00:21:23,070 --> 00:21:25,530 especially in the black community, you know, the father 341 00:21:25,530 --> 00:21:28,320 was intact, and they were productive. I would like the 342 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:33,840 Cosby's, that was a literal statement. Because I'm one of 343 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,210 those cases. No, my family was calling like, oh, you're like 344 00:21:36,210 --> 00:21:39,960 the Cosby's. Seriously? Well, I 345 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,830 think I think in my family, we probably certainly to my dad's 346 00:21:43,860 --> 00:21:49,710 why can she be more like Mr. Huxtable? If you want to take 347 00:21:49,710 --> 00:21:53,760 down the patriarchy. You got to come at the top. That's 348 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,300 interesting. And even in this she said that he has not 349 00:21:57,300 --> 00:22:01,410 admitted anything. Something like that. He'll always say he's 350 00:22:01,410 --> 00:22:04,770 not he's always say he's innocent. I, again, I'm glad 351 00:22:04,770 --> 00:22:08,130 you're doing this because I really have no other knowledge 352 00:22:08,130 --> 00:22:11,130 other than he admitted to something really crappy that he 353 00:22:11,130 --> 00:22:15,660 did. And that's why he went in, and it's for the, for all the 354 00:22:15,660 --> 00:22:18,990 technicalities, why he's getting out, but that at some point, he 355 00:22:18,990 --> 00:22:21,300 did admit to something really bad. 356 00:22:22,259 --> 00:22:25,349 And that's the point right there is what do you hear? I meant to 357 00:22:25,349 --> 00:22:28,589 the fact that you can't tell me right offhand. And you are a 358 00:22:28,799 --> 00:22:32,999 media deconstructionist sandbox, right? Yep. It was never 359 00:22:32,999 --> 00:22:36,869 discussed what he meant to is this, he admitted to it. You 360 00:22:36,869 --> 00:22:39,689 know, it's like he, you know, what do you admit to he admitted 361 00:22:39,689 --> 00:22:42,599 to it? And if he admitted to it, and he has to be guilty? It is, 362 00:22:42,599 --> 00:22:46,259 but it's like, what did he admit to? And we're gonna get to that, 363 00:22:46,259 --> 00:22:50,819 but I just want to get this is to means he's gonna go the one 364 00:22:50,849 --> 00:22:53,129 that thing that he admitted to it, they're just gonna roll it 365 00:22:53,129 --> 00:22:56,429 that they never pull out the transcripts. And if there aren't 366 00:22:56,429 --> 00:23:01,139 class stuff in there, that says, I know did everything you were 367 00:23:01,139 --> 00:23:04,199 accusing me of him? You know, just but I'm gonna say an 368 00:23:04,199 --> 00:23:07,889 uncivil trout, to protect myself from legal 369 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,050 ramifications. 370 00:23:10,110 --> 00:23:13,020 We have room for legal ramifications, then I'll admit 371 00:23:13,020 --> 00:23:17,370 to it right. But he never said that. Oh, mainstream media never 372 00:23:17,370 --> 00:23:19,920 said that. And they never wrote out the transcripts and show 373 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,280 them exactly a minute to it's just that he admitted to it. You 374 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:29,370 know, but what? And then the other thing is that, um, legal 375 00:23:29,370 --> 00:23:31,770 technicality, legal technicalities, right, right. 376 00:23:31,770 --> 00:23:34,080 Well, if you should never been on trial, is that a 377 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,080 technicality? You mean like, actually, you know, but they're 378 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,720 gonna run this meet these two means into the ground. So I just 379 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,660 want to make people aware. Like I say, I know this may be 380 00:23:42,660 --> 00:23:45,900 triggering for some people. But But the reason why we do this is 381 00:23:45,900 --> 00:23:49,800 because there's a deeper story there. And there's many 382 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,920 characters more than being missed the glory alread. So 383 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,320 let's hear from her and clip number five. 384 00:23:55,710 --> 00:24:00,120 Korea to Anthony, in your view, is this decision is a setback to 385 00:24:00,120 --> 00:24:04,050 the metoo movement. Now, Anthony, I 386 00:24:04,050 --> 00:24:08,340 don't think it is at all, there are many women who continue to 387 00:24:08,340 --> 00:24:13,470 come forward. Many persons who allege that they are victims, 388 00:24:13,470 --> 00:24:19,020 for example of our Kelly, of Harvey Weinstein in Los Angeles, 389 00:24:19,290 --> 00:24:23,880 have many other figures and they women are now empowered in the 390 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,810 way they never were before. Janice was very brave when she 391 00:24:27,810 --> 00:24:32,280 testified. I'm so proud of her. And it is, you know, a shock. 392 00:24:32,430 --> 00:24:37,200 But it's also very clear that the Pennsylvania Supreme Court 393 00:24:37,470 --> 00:24:44,250 did not make a decision that Mr. Cosby did not do what he was 394 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:49,020 accused of doing. It was based on a legal technicality on 395 00:24:49,050 --> 00:24:55,320 issues of due process. And it was not based on the merits and 396 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,380 the evidence as to whether he did it or not actually to the 397 00:24:58,380 --> 00:25:02,580 contrary. The court talked about the statements that Mr. Cosby 398 00:25:02,580 --> 00:25:06,210 made in the deposition in the civil lawsuit brought by Andrea 399 00:25:06,210 --> 00:25:09,690 constant and called those statements incriminating. 400 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,810 Gloria, you represent an accuser in California who's filed a 401 00:25:12,810 --> 00:25:17,190 civil case against Bill Cosby. Does this decision affect that 402 00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:18,330 case? In any way? 403 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,540 We're gonna find that out. Laura otter, it's very fascinating 404 00:25:24,540 --> 00:25:31,140 character here. No, yeah. She represents 33 of the Bill Cosby 405 00:25:31,140 --> 00:25:35,640 accusers course. Now all read. Now I'm not gonna go here. It 406 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:40,320 was perfect for the theorem, theorem, theorem theorem, but 407 00:25:40,350 --> 00:25:46,470 it's gonna get there. I'm red on red. They see the Red Queen, Red 408 00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:53,280 Queen. Yeah, as in the game of chess, or I mean, it's the Red 409 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:57,030 Queen is able to move swiftly and effortlessly. And then the 410 00:25:57,030 --> 00:26:00,330 other thing about that is she's viewed as an antagonist in the 411 00:26:00,330 --> 00:26:06,090 story. And she's the queen for the side opposing Alice. See? 412 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,490 I'm throwing it in for you now. I appreciate that. 413 00:26:12,660 --> 00:26:17,490 I like it. I mean, I, I have really come around to the to the 414 00:26:17,490 --> 00:26:20,820 witchcraft and the spells of the world Mo, I mean, right down to 415 00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:25,380 the Pfizer name change on the on the vaccine, like, these are all 416 00:26:25,380 --> 00:26:26,010 spells. 417 00:26:28,860 --> 00:26:31,950 The reason why I say Is she the Red Queen, because she really 418 00:26:31,950 --> 00:26:34,830 working to take these powerful men down? Or is she just a 419 00:26:34,830 --> 00:26:38,790 person in the role to play in a certain role is that she's 420 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,350 actually um, portraying just portraying a role. She's, 421 00:26:44,130 --> 00:26:46,500 she's a hired gun, she'll do whatever one way. 422 00:26:47,580 --> 00:26:50,040 In what way? Do you mean that? It just came out of curiosity, 423 00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:50,760 curiosity. 424 00:26:51,420 --> 00:26:55,470 This Well, this is what she does. She represents almost 425 00:26:55,470 --> 00:26:58,440 class action level suits of women against men. I mean, this 426 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,810 is what I've seen her do throughout her career. 427 00:27:01,290 --> 00:27:04,740 Certain mean, pain. Are you aware who our daughter is? 428 00:27:05,070 --> 00:27:10,410 Yes, yes. Also a lawyer. I forget. I mean, the balloon? 429 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:11,580 Yeah. Yeah. 430 00:27:11,700 --> 00:27:15,420 She's an American attorney. Yeah. No, for advising Harvey 431 00:27:15,420 --> 00:27:19,170 Weinstein. St. Stephen. Yes. sexual abuse allegations. Now, 432 00:27:19,170 --> 00:27:23,430 how is it? How is it that you're for women's rights? And me to, 433 00:27:23,700 --> 00:27:26,490 and your daughter's over here? She's also does the same similar 434 00:27:26,490 --> 00:27:29,820 kind of work. But when Harvey Weinstein needs to be advised, 435 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,530 they work to advise them? 436 00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:34,890 Yeah, no, this is this was very controversial at the time. 437 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,160 Yeah, I'm just throwing it out there. I mean, just like, Who 438 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,340 are these people? And what roles are they playing? And I just 439 00:27:41,340 --> 00:27:44,850 find it out that you might say all red, all red. I mean, that's 440 00:27:44,850 --> 00:27:49,230 her name. She actually plays into that with her attire. She's 441 00:27:49,230 --> 00:27:51,210 always wearing red. That's correct. 442 00:27:51,270 --> 00:27:54,540 That's which is very power power move to have a suit like that. I 443 00:27:54,540 --> 00:27:57,750 mean, in general, I would say if all red or bloom come your way, 444 00:27:57,780 --> 00:28:00,990 you know, you need to leave. You just need to get out of the way. 445 00:28:00,990 --> 00:28:04,620 If you see those common leave. I've always felt that way. But 446 00:28:04,620 --> 00:28:06,060 so and then my other question 447 00:28:06,060 --> 00:28:11,940 is, did they bring in it's just just a wildcard question. Did 448 00:28:11,940 --> 00:28:15,150 they let Bill Cosby out so they can run him through the meal? 449 00:28:15,150 --> 00:28:19,140 Again, I'm civil trials, before he passes away, when he dies, 450 00:28:19,140 --> 00:28:24,450 his his catalogue is gonna go up in value. It's like, do we milk 451 00:28:24,450 --> 00:28:27,120 them now while he's still living? But we can't do that 452 00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:28,170 while he's in jail? 453 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,330 Well, I mean, there's also a personal fame and fortune thing 454 00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:38,610 for already in bloom, as for a lot of people, so there could be 455 00:28:38,610 --> 00:28:44,220 many, many motivating factors. For them doing this. And from 456 00:28:44,220 --> 00:28:47,130 the legal standpoint, I can't really say But yeah, it's 457 00:28:47,130 --> 00:28:48,780 totally seems possible, they would do that 458 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:54,030 extra business extra. Yeah, sure. But from a from, from a 459 00:28:54,030 --> 00:28:57,330 business standpoint, and this was this was fascinating. I was 460 00:28:57,330 --> 00:28:59,970 really excited about doing a show with you, because you could 461 00:28:59,970 --> 00:29:03,240 tell me about the entertainment side. Yeah. Well, is it true 462 00:29:03,270 --> 00:29:06,990 when a person dies? their catalog goes up in value, 463 00:29:06,990 --> 00:29:07,590 correct? in 464 00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:11,310 general? Yeah. In general, but I mean, the catalog, it kind of 465 00:29:11,310 --> 00:29:14,130 depends on what you're saying is the catalog. I mean, that would 466 00:29:14,130 --> 00:29:17,490 be a boost. But first of all, you know, Cosby stuff was taken 467 00:29:17,550 --> 00:29:21,120 off the air when this happened when all this came down. I mean, 468 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,810 he was you know, a version of mainstream D platforming. And I 469 00:29:24,810 --> 00:29:27,930 think the took The Cosby Show off some of the older TV 470 00:29:27,930 --> 00:29:34,050 networks, but will it go up? Yeah, I mean, yeah, but yes, I 471 00:29:34,050 --> 00:29:38,640 mean answer Yes. It basically content we already paid for 40 472 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,000 years 30 years ago will be valuable again, 473 00:29:42,450 --> 00:29:46,830 and I feel okay, watch it not me. But as a just a typical 474 00:29:46,830 --> 00:29:51,510 black person. You're saying I'll put that in huge air quotes. Um, 475 00:29:51,570 --> 00:29:54,960 I feel okay. Well, Washington Yeah, cuz bill got off. Because 476 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,280 I put me back on TV. He 477 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,270 got off. He was railroaded. Well, you you got some I'm not 478 00:30:00,270 --> 00:30:02,490 ready for that conclusion yet. You got it, we got some more 479 00:30:02,490 --> 00:30:03,780 convincing to do on what we're 480 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,900 saying is just if I'm just paying attention to the media 481 00:30:06,900 --> 00:30:12,360 cycle. Oh, no, but they didn't do that. No, it See, I'm gonna 482 00:30:12,420 --> 00:30:17,430 I'm the point I'm making is that it could be both ways on both 483 00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:21,810 sides. If I am a person that is a Bill Cosby fan, and I want to 484 00:30:21,810 --> 00:30:24,270 watch The Cosby Show, I feel good about Washington again, 485 00:30:24,270 --> 00:30:27,930 because he was let off. Right? He didn't do it. He didn't do I 486 00:30:27,930 --> 00:30:32,310 mean in my in our fans mind. So they feel okay with watching the 487 00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:32,910 show again. 488 00:30:33,150 --> 00:30:36,120 Yeah, but did the fans here he didn't do what are the fans 489 00:30:36,150 --> 00:30:38,700 here? He did it. But he got off on the technicality. 490 00:30:39,780 --> 00:30:42,870 The same way some people are saying he will always be guilty. 491 00:30:43,170 --> 00:30:45,810 Yeah, he only got off on a technicality. The other side 492 00:30:45,810 --> 00:30:51,390 would be that he got he beat the system. Mm hmm. So I'm just 493 00:30:51,390 --> 00:30:53,940 coming to tell and we saw this with the oj case, you know, that 494 00:30:53,940 --> 00:30:58,830 kind of thing. That it's like, okay, he beat the system. That's 495 00:30:58,890 --> 00:31:01,770 when you know, we can go back to Washington and feel good about 496 00:31:01,770 --> 00:31:04,950 watching him. And maybe the powers that be is like, Hey, we 497 00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:07,560 are product here. We can get it while he's still living. He's 498 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,390 fighting all these cases, he might sell pennies on the 499 00:31:09,390 --> 00:31:13,440 dollar. I'm just throwing out as a as a as a possible reason why 500 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,160 he was led out, you know, just pure speculation, but it made no 501 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,260 sense for him to be late, when the timing 502 00:31:19,260 --> 00:31:20,760 of it was very weird. 503 00:31:21,509 --> 00:31:24,989 Very weird. And you hear what Gloria alreay she's talking 504 00:31:24,989 --> 00:31:28,439 about other cases, she has pending civil on to civil court. 505 00:31:29,819 --> 00:31:34,199 And another thing she did to lean back to that, um, that 506 00:31:34,199 --> 00:31:38,909 predatorial blackmailed trope is invoke our caddy Kelly 507 00:31:38,939 --> 00:31:41,909 immediately. Now you got all these others. And another 508 00:31:41,910 --> 00:31:44,220 one I forgot about. Yeah, our Kelly. Sure. 509 00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:50,459 And you notice, bill gets out. Our Kelly trial ramps up? Yes, 510 00:31:50,459 --> 00:31:56,879 that's true. So I'm just telling you how it's perceived. See, I 511 00:31:56,879 --> 00:32:00,659 mean, it's kind of I can perceive it how some black 512 00:32:00,659 --> 00:32:04,079 people and like I said, some men's rights people. Have you 513 00:32:04,079 --> 00:32:07,439 want to slice it, Kate can look at Black, you know, what, they 514 00:32:07,439 --> 00:32:11,999 railroad it view. We're going to take him up as a hero, you know, 515 00:32:11,999 --> 00:32:14,609 so and that was kind of the thing was, but when he was 516 00:32:14,609 --> 00:32:15,569 released, like now 517 00:32:15,570 --> 00:32:19,680 just say that, okay, gotcha. But let's just take our Kelly's an 518 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:25,470 example. Only for me. And I think for most, but you say are 519 00:32:25,470 --> 00:32:27,510 Kelly's like, oh, there's a black man Who did that? It's 520 00:32:27,510 --> 00:32:30,690 like, no, here's a creepy entertainer, guy who did that, 521 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:35,850 too. I understand the perception from from. If you're talking 522 00:32:35,850 --> 00:32:39,600 about yourself, I completely understand the perception. Boy, 523 00:32:39,630 --> 00:32:43,770 I that's not how I was thinking at all. In fact, of course, I 524 00:32:43,770 --> 00:32:46,620 also don't think that way about Bill Cosby. You know, it's like, 525 00:32:46,890 --> 00:32:50,430 it's not none of that was racial in my mind until you came along. 526 00:32:50,730 --> 00:32:54,180 I'm sorry. It wasn't racial until you 527 00:32:54,210 --> 00:32:58,050 made it that way. Okay. This is why these stories are so great 528 00:32:58,050 --> 00:33:02,340 to be used by the media, because it can mean different things to 529 00:33:02,340 --> 00:33:05,490 different people, it may take away, whatever that you're 530 00:33:05,490 --> 00:33:08,760 saying, however, they're invested in the story, right? A 531 00:33:08,910 --> 00:33:15,930 older man might say a younger man, but I see told you women 532 00:33:15,930 --> 00:33:18,660 rights and feminists, you know, they hate me, and it can be 533 00:33:18,660 --> 00:33:21,720 taken any way. And then it's amazing that Black Lives Matter 534 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:29,460 didn't come to build the fence. Yeah. I'm just telling you that 535 00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:33,630 these are why these stories is this, I believe, is because they 536 00:33:33,630 --> 00:33:38,490 can get you engaged in it emotionally and when you're 537 00:33:38,490 --> 00:33:42,450 engaged emotionally, because it makes it more easy for the spell 538 00:33:42,450 --> 00:33:49,710 to be acted on. So that matches my this is my two cents. Yeah. 539 00:33:49,799 --> 00:33:52,799 Oh, what you said America's dad, then all of a sudden, yeah, that 540 00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:55,949 part started. And that and totally from a patriarchy 541 00:33:55,949 --> 00:33:57,239 standpoint. Gotcha. 542 00:33:57,779 --> 00:34:00,809 All right, totally. So I guess we can go and wrap up with the 543 00:34:00,809 --> 00:34:02,189 final our rich clip. 544 00:34:02,340 --> 00:34:05,490 Does this decision affect the VAT case in any way? 545 00:34:06,990 --> 00:34:13,230 It does, actually, because now that he is a free man. And now 546 00:34:13,230 --> 00:34:20,160 that he cannot be retried, he cannot claim or invoke his fifth 547 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:24,930 amendment privilege against incrimination and declined to 548 00:34:24,930 --> 00:34:30,240 testify in our civil lawsuit which alleges that our client 549 00:34:30,240 --> 00:34:36,450 duty hot was victimized was a victim of child sexual abuse by 550 00:34:36,450 --> 00:34:41,460 Mr. Cosby at the Playboy Mansion. We have an order 551 00:34:41,460 --> 00:34:45,030 compelling him to sit for a second deposition first is 552 00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:49,110 underseal. In this second deposition, which we intend to 553 00:34:49,110 --> 00:34:54,360 take prior to trial, we intend to ask him many many questions 554 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,450 under oath he is going to be compelled to answer them because 555 00:34:57,450 --> 00:35:01,020 he can't invoke his fifth amendment. privilege against 556 00:35:01,140 --> 00:35:02,460 self incrimination. 557 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,480 Hey, Janice, it's Tony to COBOL. It takes a toll on a person to 558 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,970 come forward in a case like this, it takes a toll on a 559 00:35:08,970 --> 00:35:12,780 person to testify at trial. I'm curious, knowing what you know 560 00:35:12,780 --> 00:35:16,440 now about the outcome, would you still go back and take the 561 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,960 stand? And what would you say to other women who may be 562 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,090 hesitating in different cases right now? 563 00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:26,490 Well, I would go back in a New York minute. And it's because of 564 00:35:26,490 --> 00:35:31,440 the support of all the survivor sisters. We're this loving group 565 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:36,720 that will reach out to anyone to help them come forward, like 566 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,560 many of us get the survivor sisters, 567 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,820 survivor sisters, like 60 of them, they get together and they 568 00:35:44,820 --> 00:35:49,620 have little, which we have meanings. And and if they're 569 00:35:49,620 --> 00:35:53,370 actually survivors, maybe it's a coping mechanism for them. But I 570 00:35:53,370 --> 00:35:58,020 just find it convenient that Maria has all these charges me 571 00:35:58,020 --> 00:36:02,040 all these criminal civil cases lined up, and she said he cannot 572 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,670 use this tip amendment to protect him he has to testify. 573 00:36:06,030 --> 00:36:13,440 And we have an old aging for our eyes. No, it seems kind of like 574 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,990 frail and feeble. I mean, I don't use I don't use those 575 00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:21,090 disrespectfully, but get them on that stand. Or allude to 576 00:36:21,090 --> 00:36:25,500 whatever he made it to in the cases. In the previous case, he 577 00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:29,640 has to be guilty he has but you guys saw my current 1000 200,500 578 00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:31,590 you're saying he's like, training him? 579 00:36:31,649 --> 00:36:34,529 Oh, you already paid 3 million. I think the first the first she 580 00:36:34,979 --> 00:36:37,409 got more lined up. And she just said hey, 581 00:36:38,670 --> 00:36:44,670 the thing you rang the bell? Now this Playboy Club allegation for 582 00:36:44,670 --> 00:36:49,980 the Playboy Mansion. Do you know what year this is from? Will 583 00:36:49,980 --> 00:36:53,070 we'll get into that? I just wanted to say cuz I've seen some 584 00:36:53,070 --> 00:37:01,560 old playboy TV shows with Cosby. We'll get into that too. Well, 585 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:07,170 because it's like he was a player man. He was a player. The 586 00:37:07,170 --> 00:37:12,480 whole show like, it's just like, super, like sophisticated, but 587 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,200 sexy and shit. And you know, I've never been to the Playboy 588 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,010 Mansion. I know plenty of people have their sex going on there. 589 00:37:20,490 --> 00:37:22,170 In their grotto everywhere. I 590 00:37:22,170 --> 00:37:25,770 mean, come on America's warehouse. Let's just call it 591 00:37:25,770 --> 00:37:29,550 what I mean. Pretty much that's exactly what it is. Because you 592 00:37:29,550 --> 00:37:31,740 know when you go there, it's like everything's prepaid 593 00:37:31,740 --> 00:37:32,040 though. 594 00:37:32,340 --> 00:37:36,240 Yeah, that's not exactly true because they're special. You 595 00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:40,590 have two boys special playboy coins. And you know and so you 596 00:37:40,590 --> 00:37:48,360 can pay for stuff with that. I'm reliable. Like Bitcoin. 597 00:37:50,190 --> 00:37:55,350 Hello, America's whorehouse. And we're going to get into the 598 00:37:56,490 --> 00:37:59,340 we're going there. We're going on. And I wasn't going to do 599 00:37:59,340 --> 00:38:02,550 this show if I couldn't go all the way there. But the Playboy 600 00:38:02,550 --> 00:38:06,210 Mansion plays white money's the Red Queen. Oh, yeah, we going 601 00:38:06,210 --> 00:38:10,230 all the way there. So bring it bring it Allison to Wonderland. 602 00:38:10,950 --> 00:38:13,170 We're going down the rabbit hole because I would I went down a 603 00:38:13,170 --> 00:38:17,640 serious one with this with the show. So now we're gonna go over 604 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:23,220 to the prosecutor that took Bill Cosby down and that is one Miss 605 00:38:23,220 --> 00:38:29,730 Christine Gibbons of fending. So she's on msnbc. So let's go and 606 00:38:29,730 --> 00:38:30,510 get to that clip. 607 00:38:31,830 --> 00:38:34,380 It's a lot to take in this morning, disgraced actor and 608 00:38:34,380 --> 00:38:35,550 comedian Bill Cosby. 609 00:38:37,980 --> 00:38:42,480 I was gonna say one thing, this is when case first broke. So 610 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,820 we're going back in time, all right, okay. Okay. I just gotta 611 00:38:44,820 --> 00:38:48,390 I gotta make that clear. So we're going back as to when this 612 00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:53,610 case started picking up steam back in 2015 2014. Okay, I don't 613 00:38:53,610 --> 00:38:59,820 know. Excuse me. This is when he was convicted of the case. This 614 00:38:59,820 --> 00:39:02,580 is not the beginning. But this is like the middle where he was 615 00:39:02,580 --> 00:39:03,390 actually convicted. 616 00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:06,360 Okay, give us a little sound. We know we're going back in time. 617 00:39:08,460 --> 00:39:11,010 It's a lot to take in this morning disgrace actor and 618 00:39:11,010 --> 00:39:14,610 comedian Bill Cosby is waking up in jail A day after being 619 00:39:14,610 --> 00:39:19,110 sentenced to three to 10 years in a Pennsylvania prison. months 620 00:39:19,110 --> 00:39:21,900 after he was convicted of drugging and sexually assaulting 621 00:39:21,930 --> 00:39:26,190 Andrea constant back in 2000. For the 81 year old led away in 622 00:39:26,190 --> 00:39:30,120 handcuffs after a judge ruled he's a sexually violent 623 00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:33,720 predator. Kristen Givens fed up with the prosecutor in the case. 624 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,710 She joins me now. Kristen, you are the one who went to Andrea 625 00:39:37,710 --> 00:39:41,460 constant three years ago. Has justice been served? Did you 626 00:39:41,460 --> 00:39:44,970 think this day would happen when you started working on all of 627 00:39:44,970 --> 00:39:49,140 this, especially given what a superstar an icon Bill Cosby 628 00:39:49,140 --> 00:39:55,440 was? It's interesting that you asked that question. When we 629 00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:00,240 decided to charge Bill Cosby and when I spoke with Adrienne met 630 00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:04,560 her and saw how steadfast she was how brave how courageous she 631 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,740 was. I knew that regardless of the result, Justice would be 632 00:40:07,740 --> 00:40:11,190 served, her message would be set forth her story would be told, 633 00:40:11,250 --> 00:40:14,070 and she would be able to confront Bill Cosby as a 634 00:40:14,070 --> 00:40:18,120 sexually pret as a sexual predator that he was when he 635 00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:21,270 sexually assaulted and drugged her that night. Did the me to 636 00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:25,890 movement have an impact on this trial? Well, during the voir 637 00:40:25,890 --> 00:40:28,710 dire process, all of the jurors were asked if they could remain 638 00:40:29,130 --> 00:40:32,160 fair and impartial and put anything that they may have 639 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,160 heard about the me to movement to the side, and I do believe 640 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,670 that they were able to do that. But in terms of the support and 641 00:40:38,670 --> 00:40:41,970 the advocacy that she that she received under constant received 642 00:40:41,970 --> 00:40:45,690 in the public's eye, I think it had definitely a significant 643 00:40:45,690 --> 00:40:48,060 impact in that regard. Mm hmm. 644 00:40:48,090 --> 00:40:53,430 Bullshit, excuse my language. How can any man at that time get 645 00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:58,410 a fair trial with the whole me two, whirlwind swirling? It's 646 00:40:58,410 --> 00:41:02,460 not happening? So that was a very disingenuous question. And 647 00:41:02,460 --> 00:41:05,940 another thing is now I'll turn it over to you, Krista. I'm 648 00:41:05,940 --> 00:41:10,470 excuse me, Stephanie ruhle asked her saying she said, you 649 00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:13,890 approach the victim, you went to the victim. So it's not like the 650 00:41:13,890 --> 00:41:17,340 victim came out of that, you know, out of the Woodworks and 651 00:41:17,340 --> 00:41:21,120 was like, Oh, I want justice. She already got her justice with 652 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:25,320 the civil case. And how does this Stephanie or excuse me, 653 00:41:25,350 --> 00:41:30,030 Christine Gibbons tenon who is a black woman, allegedly? I'm just 654 00:41:30,030 --> 00:41:34,590 saying appears to be I don't know, she's a das or not. But 655 00:41:34,590 --> 00:41:38,820 she she's appears to be a black woman. How do you not know about 656 00:41:38,820 --> 00:41:41,610 his fifth, Fifth Amendment rights and how they're being 657 00:41:41,610 --> 00:41:44,940 violated? I mean, this this is what this is, what perplexes a 658 00:41:44,940 --> 00:41:49,050 lot of people, and it's not like you're making me defend bill, I 659 00:41:49,050 --> 00:41:52,350 don't want to defend bill, you know, cuz if he did what he said 660 00:41:52,350 --> 00:41:56,010 accused of, there's no defense of that. But at the same time, 661 00:41:56,010 --> 00:41:58,620 it's like, hold on, where you can't violate people's rights to 662 00:41:58,620 --> 00:42:04,050 get them. Um, because if that were, if justice breaks down, 663 00:42:04,740 --> 00:42:06,060 and we have no shot at all, 664 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:10,110 what you're doing here is something very difficult. I 665 00:42:10,110 --> 00:42:13,080 mean, you are a black man defending a black man or 666 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:18,360 something he was convicted if narratively convicted of Ben and 667 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,070 led off on a technicality. 668 00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:23,220 Which he shouldn't ever been on trial in the first 669 00:42:23,220 --> 00:42:27,270 place. And this is part of the defense that is that, you know, 670 00:42:27,300 --> 00:42:31,020 people cannot process what you're saying when you say that, 671 00:42:31,470 --> 00:42:35,370 but they haven't. I'm gonna say this. On the flip side of that 672 00:42:35,370 --> 00:42:42,150 coin, we've seen certain white man why society says hands off, 673 00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:46,830 you can't have him out, I don't care what he said what he did. 674 00:42:46,830 --> 00:42:50,580 And we saw this was 45 Savage. People didn't care what he did, 675 00:42:50,700 --> 00:42:54,060 what he was accused of is like he that's our guy, you know, 676 00:42:54,060 --> 00:42:58,410 saying like, no matter what, but I'll just go back to Bill no 677 00:42:58,410 --> 00:43:04,290 matter what Bill did this next sum total. He's good for our 678 00:43:04,290 --> 00:43:07,230 society. And if he did do it, let us handle okay. 679 00:43:07,470 --> 00:43:11,430 So there's a little extra piece of that from the narrative. And 680 00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:14,340 I'm only speaking from the narrative that I've that I've 681 00:43:14,370 --> 00:43:18,630 caught and followed, you know, in the past 20 years, and part 682 00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:22,530 of that narrative was Bill Cosby is wagging his finger at 683 00:43:22,530 --> 00:43:25,950 everybody telling everybody what to do. Now, this could have also 684 00:43:25,950 --> 00:43:29,640 been completely narrative driven. I have some personal 685 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,570 experiences where, you know, he definitely is an arrogant, 686 00:43:33,690 --> 00:43:37,590 arrogant guy. And he's an asshole. Excuse my language. I 687 00:43:37,590 --> 00:43:43,380 mean, I have the proof. I mean, you've heard the you've heard 688 00:43:43,380 --> 00:43:46,950 the Chris, know that Eddie Murphy story when Bill Cosby 689 00:43:46,950 --> 00:43:49,800 bitched him out and all this crazy stuff. So we've heard all 690 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:55,170 that. That's completely tainted and part of the human nature, 691 00:43:55,290 --> 00:43:58,890 certainly when it comes to celebrity, is, you know, 692 00:43:59,730 --> 00:44:02,280 celebrities are, it's like the blue checkmark, you know, it's 693 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,480 like, Hey, we're just waiting for someone to mess up. And you 694 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,380 know, there's a lot of reasons to hate Bill Cosby. Now there's 695 00:44:10,380 --> 00:44:13,470 a lot of reasons to love Bill Cosby. But over the years the 696 00:44:13,470 --> 00:44:17,220 past 20 years I think it really culminated with the pull your 697 00:44:17,220 --> 00:44:21,480 pants up, although I agree with it. I liked that. They pull the 698 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:30,120 pants up, son Shut up. That that was priming priming. Oh, yeah, I 699 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,630 was primer for what happened for the for the response where 700 00:44:33,630 --> 00:44:39,240 people have told of course, that guy did that a douche. So yeah, 701 00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:41,070 and that's, I think it's a human response. 702 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,990 But I'll say this is many and this is a loosely based 703 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,860 comparison. But we've seen where guys have been victim of 704 00:44:49,860 --> 00:44:53,670 shootings, cop shootings, that have a rap sheet, and Black 705 00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:58,500 Lives Matter still does mental gymnastics to make a case for 706 00:44:58,500 --> 00:45:03,000 these people. to why they need to be held as heroes and be 707 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,440 protected. So it's like, 708 00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:07,560 oh, yeah, like Black Lives Matter was nowhere to be found 709 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:08,910 on this. That's my 710 00:45:08,910 --> 00:45:11,490 point. It's not No, I'm not looking for white society to 711 00:45:11,490 --> 00:45:15,960 protect you. But it's black. But you hit on a very important 712 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:20,580 point that he made himself no friends. And it makes it easy 713 00:45:20,580 --> 00:45:23,910 for him to be protected, right. But nonetheless, my thing with 714 00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:27,690 this case is if we can violate one person's rights, especially 715 00:45:27,720 --> 00:45:33,960 of that size on both sides, how can she with good heart? I'm 716 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,350 sure there's something similar to the Hippocratic oath. 717 00:45:40,530 --> 00:45:47,580 No, stop. No, there's no such thing. No, there is no there is 718 00:45:47,580 --> 00:45:50,850 no such thing. The only thing I can say is Red Queen have black 719 00:45:50,850 --> 00:45:52,770 heart, listening, that's for 720 00:45:52,770 --> 00:45:55,830 sure. I know there's a producer out there. It has to be 721 00:45:55,830 --> 00:45:59,340 somewhere that you have to act in good faith know, when dealing 722 00:45:59,340 --> 00:46:02,250 with crap. Don't you like when you had to recuse yourself and 723 00:46:02,250 --> 00:46:05,100 all of that? I mean, isn't that part of it? Like, Hey, I know 724 00:46:05,100 --> 00:46:08,010 it's wrong. I know. It's my brother in law. My brother in 725 00:46:08,010 --> 00:46:09,750 law's business I can't participate 726 00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:11,550 as a conflict of interest. But 727 00:46:12,209 --> 00:46:14,729 okay, I just want to lay that out. Because this is I'm going 728 00:46:14,729 --> 00:46:19,829 off my once again, my law order pure suits. Legal legal. 729 00:46:20,940 --> 00:46:27,120 By the way, my my first response with Cosby, but to response, my 730 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:31,710 first response was, Oh, well, he got screwed. So yeah, he 731 00:46:31,710 --> 00:46:34,980 deserves to get let off, you know, that wild eyed that's rare 732 00:46:34,980 --> 00:46:37,920 that this kind of happens at that level. And my second 733 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,460 response is, when is this going to happen? Next Derek Chauvin? I 734 00:46:41,460 --> 00:46:43,080 mean, who is this gonna have this, you know, these 735 00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:47,370 technicalities? This that's pretty sloppy. And this so this 736 00:46:47,370 --> 00:46:50,730 could happen with all kinds of high profile cases, or you can 737 00:46:50,730 --> 00:46:52,560 get railroaded that way too, obviously. 738 00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:57,180 Right. And that's, that's what when we speak at justice, we're 739 00:46:57,180 --> 00:47:03,360 talking about fairness, not this moral. Well, morally, we're 740 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,460 going to do the right thing, even though it goes against them 741 00:47:05,460 --> 00:47:10,710 saying what loss is now we can't have that even though even this 742 00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:14,670 case, he came back said two things can be true, but we can't 743 00:47:14,670 --> 00:47:22,020 let that kind of long legal Miss character. miscarriage of 744 00:47:22,020 --> 00:47:26,040 justice is what I like to say happen, because it happened to 745 00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,700 him picking up and I have actually happened to anybody for 746 00:47:29,700 --> 00:47:34,320 anything. So next will be the statute of limitations go away. 747 00:47:34,410 --> 00:47:37,590 We've seen NDA is basically become nothing. I mean, with 748 00:47:37,590 --> 00:47:42,390 adults total disintegration of the legal system, which hasn't 749 00:47:42,390 --> 00:47:45,450 been favorable to people on my side in the first place was 750 00:47:45,450 --> 00:47:48,660 like, come on. I mean, like he can't do beer like this. And 751 00:47:48,660 --> 00:47:54,690 I'll say this once again. At some point and it's a question 752 00:47:54,720 --> 00:48:00,090 it's not a statement. Can a group stand up me like you can't 753 00:48:00,090 --> 00:48:04,290 have him? We know about Elvis Elvis Presley. We know about. 754 00:48:04,890 --> 00:48:08,580 You're saying him having a young wife. You're not getting that 755 00:48:08,580 --> 00:48:12,360 was Presley? I don't care what Well, I don't care what you say. 756 00:48:13,140 --> 00:48:16,890 Sir. segments of society is not gonna let me personally be 757 00:48:16,890 --> 00:48:21,630 counseled. And there's other ones out there. And even when I 758 00:48:21,630 --> 00:48:25,080 go back to our Kelly, it's not about the people. It's about the 759 00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,440 money because they'll put all our Kelly songs off the radio, 760 00:48:28,770 --> 00:48:33,480 but they'll let Aaliyah songs play with our Kelly. Mm hmm. How 761 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,910 does that makes it make that make sense? It's like, Oh, no, I 762 00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:38,070 thought we were taking our kids. Well, we're no no, that will 763 00:48:38,070 --> 00:48:47,160 affect our lives state. Yeah. Now, what I'm doing is painting 764 00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:51,180 the picture, while you talk to somebody, you can see the 765 00:48:51,180 --> 00:48:54,900 frustration or the are the why this What happened? 766 00:48:55,410 --> 00:49:00,060 Well, so thinking about that music and music catalog is 767 00:49:00,060 --> 00:49:06,120 definitely more valuable cam is it is easy to get value from 768 00:49:06,900 --> 00:49:10,680 because people all sudden want to listen to songs. Although 769 00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:15,060 that's still not what it used to be. With TV shows, it's very, 770 00:49:15,090 --> 00:49:18,510 very different. I think the money if we're going after 771 00:49:18,510 --> 00:49:22,200 money, in this case, or partially, that's Cosby himself. 772 00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:26,490 He has he has a lot of money, like hundreds and hundreds of 773 00:49:26,490 --> 00:49:27,570 millions of dollars. 774 00:49:27,870 --> 00:49:31,230 Now he's super paid. And but the other thing is, is with the 775 00:49:31,230 --> 00:49:33,390 content, when you have 776 00:49:34,860 --> 00:49:37,170 he maybe he's probably a billionaire, by the way, he's 777 00:49:37,170 --> 00:49:38,250 probably a billionaire. 778 00:49:38,729 --> 00:49:45,839 I believe that. But when you see when you see content focused 779 00:49:46,409 --> 00:49:49,559 platforms like Netflix or whatever, fill in the blank 780 00:49:49,589 --> 00:49:55,229 Amazon case show has to be worth a lot of money, because it's 781 00:49:55,229 --> 00:49:57,959 something that you can cut on and then a mindlessly play in 782 00:49:57,959 --> 00:50:02,159 the background. Which that's all the Content platforms care about 783 00:50:02,159 --> 00:50:06,119 right? Like office, office, oh, you're not even really watching 784 00:50:06,119 --> 00:50:11,039 it. But its own right. So I'm not saying now but I think just 785 00:50:11,129 --> 00:50:14,669 as a business, looking at what a businessman, they can either 786 00:50:14,669 --> 00:50:17,189 say, guy, let's go buy this coffee thing for pennies on the 787 00:50:17,189 --> 00:50:20,519 dollar and just sit on it. He'll come back around, you know, 788 00:50:20,609 --> 00:50:23,819 people forget what it means now He's never done nothing. I mean, 789 00:50:23,819 --> 00:50:25,859 you look at this case 20 years from now it's like, oh, yeah, he 790 00:50:25,859 --> 00:50:28,349 was convicted, but he got off. And that will be the footnote. 791 00:50:29,219 --> 00:50:29,699 So, 792 00:50:30,180 --> 00:50:33,600 right, well, just so you know, over over the years, The Cosby 793 00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,470 Show was test generated, probably close to $5 billion. 794 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:43,170 Our movies come on back to back to back to back, every 795 00:50:43,170 --> 00:50:47,040 afternoon, three or four shows, and you will sit down and watch 796 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,730 it Martin's the same way certain certain shows and not community, 797 00:50:50,910 --> 00:50:55,530 quote, unquote, community. Um, that is just, you can sit down 798 00:50:55,530 --> 00:50:57,990 and watch it over and over again. And it's because I 799 00:50:57,990 --> 00:51:01,200 remember where I was at when I saw that. I remember that as a 800 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,030 kid, you know, that kind of thing. That's why Elvis would 801 00:51:03,030 --> 00:51:05,610 never be counseled. Because people I remember when I was in 802 00:51:05,610 --> 00:51:08,550 the backseat with Johnny, you're saying although in the Bluff, he 803 00:51:08,550 --> 00:51:10,560 was saying you can't take that away from my childhood or my 804 00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:14,820 teenage years. I mean, excuse me, it's all about that. I mean, 805 00:51:14,820 --> 00:51:18,480 I'm not like, we don't care about Bill Cosby Be honest. We 806 00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,660 don't care about Bill Cosby, the person. We don't care about 807 00:51:21,690 --> 00:51:26,400 Elvis, the person we were invested in them, and what their 808 00:51:26,730 --> 00:51:29,730 impact on our childhood memories are. That's the only reason we 809 00:51:29,730 --> 00:51:37,050 care about these people. True. So I mean, mini rant. But 810 00:51:37,260 --> 00:51:42,360 fascinating timeline. Let's Let's listen to when Bill was 811 00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:42,930 convicted. 812 00:51:43,650 --> 00:51:47,040 I say this because I know it's a completely different situation. 813 00:51:47,220 --> 00:51:50,340 But here we are with with the Supreme Court Justice nominee 814 00:51:50,340 --> 00:51:53,820 Brett Kavanaugh, he has accusers, and our own president 815 00:51:53,970 --> 00:51:57,690 is repeating these narratives of I don't know where people drunk 816 00:51:57,690 --> 00:52:00,780 It was a long time ago, where were her loving parents, which 817 00:52:00,780 --> 00:52:05,730 is the opposite of what me too is trying to do. Absolutely. I 818 00:52:05,730 --> 00:52:05,880 think 819 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,900 the me to movement is dynamic. And even though there are going 820 00:52:09,900 --> 00:52:12,720 to be some people who are going to continue to assassinate the 821 00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:15,780 character of these sexually these sexual assault victims. 822 00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,810 were some people some of the most powerful people in the 823 00:52:18,810 --> 00:52:22,050 world. Absolutely. And that's going to remain. But you know 824 00:52:22,050 --> 00:52:27,660 what? Now, these survivors have community and they have support. 825 00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:31,140 And with the conviction of Bill Cosby, they now know that 826 00:52:31,140 --> 00:52:34,440 justice can be served, that justice can prevail. 827 00:52:35,070 --> 00:52:37,530 And again, I know they're very different situations. But 828 00:52:37,530 --> 00:52:40,620 tomorrow when Brett Kavanaugh was accused or Dr. Christine 829 00:52:40,620 --> 00:52:43,320 blasey, Ford is going to be questioned. They're now bringing 830 00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,530 in a sex crime specialist. A woman who has decades of 831 00:52:46,530 --> 00:52:52,050 experience is due process taking place here seeing that it is 832 00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,380 just Christine Ford, and it is just Brett Kavanaugh. We're not 833 00:52:55,380 --> 00:52:59,310 subpoena in Mark judge. There is no FBI investigation. Can she 834 00:52:59,310 --> 00:53:00,510 actually do her job here? 835 00:53:01,500 --> 00:53:06,420 You know, due process is the opportunity to be heard. And I 836 00:53:06,420 --> 00:53:10,140 admired Dr. Ford given this constrained process coming 837 00:53:10,140 --> 00:53:14,250 forward under these constraints being scrutinized in the public 838 00:53:14,250 --> 00:53:18,660 eye and also in the in the in the in for the Judiciary 839 00:53:18,660 --> 00:53:23,190 Committee, excuse me. Can due process occur under these 840 00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:24,990 settings? It's gonna remain to be seen. 841 00:53:26,430 --> 00:53:28,980 It's kind of fun to do this after the fact because I'd 842 00:53:28,980 --> 00:53:31,710 completely forgotten how that intersected with the Brett 843 00:53:31,710 --> 00:53:35,190 Kavanaugh supreme court hearing timeline. 844 00:53:35,430 --> 00:53:38,550 Yeah, Bill. Bill just happens to be convicted right when 845 00:53:38,550 --> 00:53:44,280 Kavanagh's day before when Blasi Ford is posed to testify, which 846 00:53:44,310 --> 00:53:47,790 I'll say as a side note, if I ever seen anybody that could 847 00:53:47,790 --> 00:53:50,400 possibly be MK Archer victim, 848 00:53:50,550 --> 00:53:51,720 it was classy for 849 00:53:52,770 --> 00:53:55,860 this little child for us. I mean, I'm just saying so yeah. 850 00:53:56,610 --> 00:54:02,370 He gets taken down when when the 20 2016 election is ramping up 851 00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:07,770 to get convicted. Right when you know right when a Kavanaugh goes 852 00:54:07,770 --> 00:54:10,050 on trial, and Cavanaugh is another one that has brought 853 00:54:10,050 --> 00:54:12,930 people out of his past and like, oh, let's just lay it all out 854 00:54:12,930 --> 00:54:16,980 there right now. But you see how people rallied around him to 855 00:54:16,980 --> 00:54:19,560 protect him. That was that for 856 00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,320 me. You better be bringing clarence thomas into this thing 857 00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:26,790 pretty soon. Got me some long john silver bet on it. 858 00:54:27,570 --> 00:54:32,100 shot and that's another show for another day. Similar in the same 859 00:54:32,100 --> 00:54:35,640 case, yeah. And one of the things that one of the sad 860 00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:41,910 stories I want to point out is, it's amazing how when the Boulay 861 00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:49,140 turn it back on, you know, protection. Bills handed out a 862 00:54:49,140 --> 00:54:54,030 lot of those bills you talked about. And nobody came to his 863 00:54:54,030 --> 00:54:55,860 defense, nobody. 864 00:54:56,490 --> 00:54:58,320 Which could also be just because everyone thought it was an 865 00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:02,310 incredible deck. Like, yeah, yeah, 866 00:55:02,340 --> 00:55:08,670 yeah. And steel is certain in certain cultures, you certain 867 00:55:08,670 --> 00:55:12,000 people that you can't take, if you gave me a list to say okay, 868 00:55:12,450 --> 00:55:15,360 goes on that list of untouchable, random black 869 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:20,940 community prior to this. It will be like Oprah Obama, Bill Cosby. 870 00:55:20,940 --> 00:55:25,890 You see what I'm saying? Yeah. You got a beard and get nobody 871 00:55:25,890 --> 00:55:29,220 come out firm that was very blaring to me. That was like, 872 00:55:29,250 --> 00:55:32,640 wow, this. This is orchestrated in some kind of way where nobody 873 00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:34,560 took up for him, but also, 874 00:55:35,100 --> 00:55:41,160 for some people who took it up for him. Who was someone who 875 00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:42,030 worked with him 876 00:55:44,460 --> 00:55:47,370 mostly as well, we will get out here. There's one person that 877 00:55:47,370 --> 00:55:50,340 took up and we'll get there. Okay. Okay, so now we're gonna 878 00:55:50,340 --> 00:55:56,790 hop on over to CNN, and this is a Ilan told me hold Nick. He's a 879 00:55:56,790 --> 00:56:00,960 legal analyst, and he's gonna slam bill copies, bills Cosby's 880 00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:01,830 prosecutors, 881 00:56:02,100 --> 00:56:05,670 Bill Cosby has not been exonerated. Nobody has said he 882 00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:09,120 didn't do it. Nobody has said he is innocent. The people to 883 00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,630 blame. Here are the prosecutors. And there's two aspects to that. 884 00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:16,200 First of all, Bruce Castor, the district attorney who made this 885 00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:20,190 deal back in 2004 2005, where he essentially said, I don't 886 00:56:20,190 --> 00:56:22,890 believe we have enough evidence to prosecute him criminally. 887 00:56:23,100 --> 00:56:26,910 that enabled Bill Cosby forced Bill Cosby to testify in his 888 00:56:26,910 --> 00:56:29,940 criminal deposition. That's why that's the deal that Bruce 889 00:56:29,940 --> 00:56:33,270 Castro made. Can he be faulted for that? Absolutely. He bears 890 00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:36,870 blame for that. And then Part two is that future prosecutors 891 00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:39,780 came along after Bruce Castor, and they said, we're not playing 892 00:56:39,780 --> 00:56:42,180 by that deal. We're not observing that deal. And that's 893 00:56:42,180 --> 00:56:45,210 what the Pennsylvania Supreme Court said is the legal problem 894 00:56:45,210 --> 00:56:47,970 here. They said, once Bruce Castor made that deal, we're not 895 00:56:47,970 --> 00:56:51,210 going to prosecute you like it or not good deal or bad deal. 896 00:56:51,300 --> 00:56:54,360 Future prosecutors that came after him were bound by that. 897 00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,300 And when they went back on that deal, and tried him, that's what 898 00:56:57,300 --> 00:56:59,910 they say violated Bill Cosby's rights. That's what this 899 00:56:59,910 --> 00:57:00,870 decision was about. 900 00:57:01,500 --> 00:57:04,440 And more. I mean, as Brad was just pointing out, you know, 901 00:57:04,470 --> 00:57:07,740 he's never Bill Cosby has never admitted guilt. He's always 902 00:57:07,740 --> 00:57:10,860 maintained his innocence. However, in the deposition in 903 00:57:10,860 --> 00:57:15,180 2005, when he thought that this was a civil case that he was 904 00:57:15,180 --> 00:57:20,100 never going to be prosecuted. He did admit what he did. So all of 905 00:57:20,100 --> 00:57:23,580 these accusers I mean, the vast majority say that he drugged 906 00:57:23,580 --> 00:57:26,250 them unknowingly and then had sex with them against their 907 00:57:26,250 --> 00:57:29,520 will. And in that deposition, the question from Andrew 908 00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:33,240 constanze, one of the accusers from her attorney, was when you 909 00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,960 got the Queen lubes. Was it in your mind that you were going to 910 00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,480 use these Quaaludes for young women that you wanted to have 911 00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:45,150 sex with Bill Cosby replies, yes. Okay, you see, the trick 912 00:57:45,150 --> 00:57:47,400 made me there. But you first need you first of all, 913 00:57:47,820 --> 00:57:51,600 it was it was it was a deposition in cases from 2005. 914 00:57:52,020 --> 00:57:57,210 Right, which was was something completely I mean, the way I 915 00:57:57,270 --> 00:58:00,660 think, of course, I didn't look into it. I was like, Oh, hey, 916 00:58:00,660 --> 00:58:03,780 this maybe six months ago, they got a deposition deposition or 917 00:58:03,780 --> 00:58:11,490 something. And Queloz? I mean, I don't know. And what did what 918 00:58:11,490 --> 00:58:14,040 did they do there that you that you thought was? 919 00:58:14,610 --> 00:58:18,270 Because they said, first of all, they said Bill Cosby has not 920 00:58:18,270 --> 00:58:22,860 admitted to anything? Yes. They said that, right? Yes, he has 921 00:58:22,860 --> 00:58:24,240 admitted to anything but 922 00:58:24,990 --> 00:58:28,650 but there was something quite loose that whipsaw what you call 923 00:58:28,650 --> 00:58:33,000 me. Yeah, definitely asked a question. But it wasn't. 924 00:58:33,930 --> 00:58:39,300 Right. So did they say did you give the women quite lose and to 925 00:58:39,300 --> 00:58:41,700 have sex? We may we need to go back? Let's see. I was gonna say 926 00:58:41,700 --> 00:58:44,340 let's, let's talk about what we heard first, and then we'll go 927 00:58:44,340 --> 00:58:48,240 back Listen, what we actually heard. Um, basically, they she 928 00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,960 says that he didn't admit to anything, but in the deposition, 929 00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:55,200 he did admit to give him women quite lewd, that he planned to 930 00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:59,190 have sex with it's not the same thing as drugging pee. Correct. 931 00:58:59,190 --> 00:59:04,500 And then, in the middle of that, women said, Hi, let 932 00:59:04,500 --> 00:59:05,250 me let me hear this. 933 00:59:06,270 --> 00:59:10,440 But Castro's successor used Cosby's testimony as a key piece 934 00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:14,730 of evidence. More than a decade later, Bill Cosby was convicted 935 00:59:14,730 --> 00:59:17,850 of drugging and sexually assaulting constant serving I'm 936 00:59:17,850 --> 00:59:20,970 sorry, this is wrong, but I'm sorry, my mistakes. Here we go. 937 00:59:20,970 --> 00:59:23,760 This is the one I want to pick it up here. But these rights, 938 00:59:23,850 --> 00:59:25,470 that's what this decision was about. 939 00:59:26,490 --> 00:59:29,400 I mean, as Britain was just pointing out, you know, he's 940 00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,340 never Bill Cosby has never admitted guilt. He's always 941 00:59:32,340 --> 00:59:35,460 maintained his innocence. However, in the deposition in 942 00:59:35,460 --> 00:59:39,780 2005, when he thought that this was a civil case that he was 943 00:59:39,780 --> 00:59:44,700 never going to be prosecuted. He did admit what he did. So all of 944 00:59:44,700 --> 00:59:48,180 these accusers I mean, the vast majority say that he drugged 945 00:59:48,180 --> 00:59:51,090 them unknowingly and then had sex with them against their will 946 00:59:51,090 --> 00:59:56,280 and in that deposition, the question from Andrew cost. Yeah, 947 00:59:56,280 --> 01:00:02,520 I hear you. Sandwich that Say that he drugged them unknowingly 948 01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,100 and then had sex with them against their will. And in that 949 01:00:05,100 --> 01:00:08,670 deposition, the question from Andrew constanze, one of the 950 01:00:08,670 --> 01:00:12,600 accusers from her attorney, was when you got the quail lubes. 951 01:00:13,230 --> 01:00:15,300 Was it in your mind that you were going to use these 952 01:00:15,300 --> 01:00:17,880 Quaaludes for young women that you wanted to have sex with? 953 01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:21,630 Bill Cosby replies, yes. Yeah, I see. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 954 01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,360 And that's why they kept saying he admitted to what he did, he 955 01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:31,170 admitted to what he did, he admitted, he admitted to and I 956 01:00:31,170 --> 01:00:36,150 said, I'm not absolving them anything of any action. I'm just 957 01:00:36,150 --> 01:00:40,860 saying how the media cover this, with these tricks, if you if you 958 01:00:40,860 --> 01:00:46,740 have a slam dunk, testimony, play it. But she did this whole 959 01:00:46,740 --> 01:00:51,720 wind up of he didn't admit anything. And in a deposition, 960 01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:55,350 he was asked, and then women accused him of this. And then he 961 01:00:55,350 --> 01:01:00,090 goes back to the deposition to say, when you he was asked, were 962 01:01:00,090 --> 01:01:02,820 you planning to give the coin to women? You're gonna have sex 963 01:01:02,820 --> 01:01:07,200 where he said, Yes. So anything ever like hey, you know, here's 964 01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:12,090 the thing. Here's the actual transcript. Okay. You test 965 01:01:12,090 --> 01:01:16,440 question, you testified that he knew you were not going to take 966 01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:20,220 them. And I'd like to explain your answer. How did he know or 967 01:01:20,220 --> 01:01:26,760 why do you say he knew? Answer? What was happening at the time 968 01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:32,760 was that that was quite ludes happened to be the drug that 969 01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,640 kids young people were using to party with. And there were times 970 01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:39,660 when I wanted to have them just in case. Mr. Colby says he never 971 01:01:39,660 --> 01:01:43,260 took the qualys. And this is now narration, Mr. Colby says he 972 01:01:43,260 --> 01:01:46,320 never took the quails himself because they made him sleepy 973 01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,140 because he was using them in his efforts to have sex with women. 974 01:01:49,140 --> 01:01:51,870 He also says that with the exception of one glass of beer, 975 01:01:52,110 --> 01:01:55,500 he stopped drinking alcohol when he was 16. question, why didn't 976 01:01:55,500 --> 01:02:00,210 you ever take the Caleb's answer because I use them q for what? A 977 01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:04,890 the same as a person would say they have a drink. So it's not 978 01:02:04,890 --> 01:02:12,480 even. He says that he was, you know, the way I'm reading it 979 01:02:12,900 --> 01:02:18,150 cursory here is that it's like, oh, you know, you want to talk 980 01:02:18,150 --> 01:02:20,940 off of this joint. You want to quit lewd, you know, you want to 981 01:02:20,940 --> 01:02:24,120 drink and get in the mood. That's kind of the way he was. 982 01:02:24,420 --> 01:02:26,790 That's it just reading through as quickly as it seems like 983 01:02:26,790 --> 01:02:28,770 that's what he admitted to. 984 01:02:29,220 --> 01:02:32,640 Right. And now all I'm doing is just deposed in that to the way 985 01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:38,280 they put the narrative. under oath. He said, Yeah, I crushed 986 01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:41,220 him up and put them into that drink 987 01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:48,120 now. Now that's Allison Camerata, I believe. Allison 988 01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:49,320 Camerata 989 01:02:49,890 --> 01:02:52,590 know what I'm saying is that they make it seem like that's 990 01:02:52,590 --> 01:02:54,990 what he admitted to, in his own words that he's 991 01:02:55,290 --> 01:02:58,500 drugging women. I understand what you're saying, right? 992 01:02:59,100 --> 01:03:03,630 Amazon, but Allison Camerata who said that, on that clip from 993 01:03:03,630 --> 01:03:15,270 CNN, she has a story behind her too. Was she not? Yes. She. She 994 01:03:15,270 --> 01:03:19,260 accused Fox of sexual harassment against her before she left for 995 01:03:19,260 --> 01:03:19,890 CNN. 996 01:03:21,450 --> 01:03:24,900 That makes it convenient to have a big fish taking down like 997 01:03:24,900 --> 01:03:28,590 Cosby, when all that when all these other cases are pending. 998 01:03:28,770 --> 01:03:31,440 And I don't want to belabor this point too long, but I just want 999 01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:32,040 to make one other 1000 01:03:32,580 --> 01:03:35,310 point she's, you know, she's she's all on board with 1001 01:03:35,340 --> 01:03:38,190 invested. Yeah, she's invested. That's a good way to put it. 1002 01:03:38,190 --> 01:03:39,150 Yes, she's invested. 1003 01:03:39,629 --> 01:03:45,239 So Isla Hoenig said that he called out bill caster, I think 1004 01:03:45,239 --> 01:03:48,899 his name that the prosecutor made the deal. And then he said 1005 01:03:48,899 --> 01:03:54,209 the future prosecutors never naming. Miss Christine Gibbons 1006 01:03:54,209 --> 01:03:58,049 fixating. That was the one who actually went and sought out the 1007 01:03:58,049 --> 01:04:02,819 victim. Notice he never named dropped her. Right? He just said 1008 01:04:02,819 --> 01:04:05,189 the future prosecutor. So it's like how long wait, wait a 1009 01:04:05,189 --> 01:04:07,679 minute. If we're calling out names, it's called everybody's 1010 01:04:07,679 --> 01:04:12,479 names. But he didn't do that. I just found that as a was a 1011 01:04:12,479 --> 01:04:15,299 interesting admission. So now what we're going to do is we're 1012 01:04:15,299 --> 01:04:18,539 going to actually listen to Bill Cosby himself speak. And this is 1013 01:04:18,539 --> 01:04:20,489 where he's fresh out of prison on release. 1014 01:04:20,700 --> 01:04:24,000 Judy Cosby telling ABCs Lindsey Davis on the phone after his 1015 01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:26,850 release that his conviction did not match the truth. Tonight, 1016 01:04:26,850 --> 01:04:30,240 his accuser is also reacting to the news. He is no longer in 1017 01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:32,700 prison. And nobody 1018 01:04:33,540 --> 01:04:39,720 had the sense to say wait one second. This doesn't match up 1019 01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:45,420 with the truth. This is not what I was taught. In college. This 1020 01:04:45,420 --> 01:04:49,620 is not what I was taught. Etc, etc. 1021 01:04:50,010 --> 01:04:54,030 Tonight, Bill Cosby talking to ABC News, just hours after 1022 01:04:54,030 --> 01:04:58,200 becoming a free man, his 2018 sex assault conviction 1023 01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:02,100 overturned by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court after an appeal 1024 01:05:02,190 --> 01:05:05,820 justices ruling he should not have been prosecuted because of 1025 01:05:05,820 --> 01:05:09,240 a deal with former DEA Bruce Castor that he would not be 1026 01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:13,830 charged if he agreed to testify in a 2005 civil suit brought by 1027 01:05:13,830 --> 01:05:17,310 accuser Andrea constanze. Today's ruling stated that in 1028 01:05:17,310 --> 01:05:20,490 accordance with the advice of his attorneys, Cosby relied on 1029 01:05:20,490 --> 01:05:24,300 castors public announcement he would not be prosecuted, but 1030 01:05:24,300 --> 01:05:28,350 Castro's successor used Cosby's testimony as a key piece of 1031 01:05:28,350 --> 01:05:32,520 evidence. More than a decade later, Bill Cosby was convicted 1032 01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:35,970 of drugging and sexually assaulting constant, serving two 1033 01:05:35,970 --> 01:05:38,970 of his three to 10 year sentence. Before his release 1034 01:05:38,970 --> 01:05:42,420 today, dozens of other women accused Cosby of drugging and 1035 01:05:42,420 --> 01:05:45,540 sexually assaulting them. today's news leaving many of his 1036 01:05:45,540 --> 01:05:49,950 accusers stunned and angry. Today Cosby's longtime co star 1037 01:05:49,950 --> 01:05:53,580 Felicia Rashad tweeted support saying quote, a miscarriage of 1038 01:05:53,580 --> 01:05:56,790 justice is corrected. She followed that up with another 1039 01:05:56,790 --> 01:05:59,880 tweet saying she supports survivors of sexual assault and 1040 01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:03,000 did not attend to be insensitive to quote their truth, Judy? 1041 01:06:03,510 --> 01:06:04,830 Oh, you know what happened there? 1042 01:06:05,130 --> 01:06:16,710 Felicia gotta gotta fix that baby. Mess how it works. You 1043 01:06:16,830 --> 01:06:20,430 release one tweet. And it's like the phone rings and 1044 01:06:23,730 --> 01:06:28,260 I Felicia, this is blatant calling and we'd like to save it 1045 01:06:28,260 --> 01:06:31,350 oh what's your statement is doesn't jibe where we're what 1046 01:06:31,350 --> 01:06:34,320 we're trying to do over here so we need you to go on social 1047 01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:35,550 media and of course that 1048 01:06:36,450 --> 01:06:38,730 doesn't comport with the program here Felicia 1049 01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:45,480 bright en que en que correct sir statement and this is not the 1050 01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:49,890 first time for sure. Rashad go Cosby's TV why finally speaking 1051 01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:50,460 out. 1052 01:06:50,610 --> 01:06:53,550 This is more women continue to come forward and protesters are 1053 01:06:53,550 --> 01:06:56,490 threatening to disrupt three comedy conference in Canada 1054 01:06:56,490 --> 01:07:00,480 starting tonight. Now there's Mrs. Huxtable going on the 1055 01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:00,810 record. 1056 01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:04,080 Yeah, tonight's top story more cosmic crash and burn will his 1057 01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:08,250 TV wife stand by her man? You were on the set with him for 1058 01:07:08,250 --> 01:07:11,580 more than a decade working very closely with him. At no time. 1059 01:07:11,580 --> 01:07:14,250 Did you ever see anything inappropriate? 1060 01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:21,270 What I saw was fun. Never anything inappropriate. What I 1061 01:07:21,270 --> 01:07:28,890 saw was work and play at work and fun. Mrs. Cosby was a 1062 01:07:28,890 --> 01:07:36,960 frequent visitor to the studio. She was there a lot. That's what 1063 01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:37,530 I saw. 1064 01:07:38,070 --> 01:07:41,940 Felicia Rashad Bill Cosby's TV wife for more than eight years 1065 01:07:42,030 --> 01:07:45,450 is finally speaking out. She tells abc news correspondent 1066 01:07:45,450 --> 01:07:49,200 Lindsey Davis. She learned about the claims against Cosby along 1067 01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:51,960 with the rest of the world. I can't even speak to those things 1068 01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:55,590 and don't want to the sit down airing on ABC news came just 1069 01:07:55,620 --> 01:07:59,820 hours after Rashad was quoted on the website showbiz 411 where it 1070 01:07:59,820 --> 01:08:02,670 sounded like she was implying there was some sort of plot 1071 01:08:02,670 --> 01:08:06,210 against Cosby. Here's the reported quote, forget these 1072 01:08:06,210 --> 01:08:09,870 women, what you're seeing is the destruction of a legacy. And I 1073 01:08:09,870 --> 01:08:13,680 think it's orchestrated. I don't know why or who's doing it. The 1074 01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:14,250 legacy 1075 01:08:14,430 --> 01:08:21,390 that was a misquote that is not what I said. I said, Wow, the 1076 01:08:21,390 --> 01:08:26,280 women This is about something else. This is about the 1077 01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:30,570 obliteration of legacy No, that's 1078 01:08:32,010 --> 01:08:34,830 right man. That's what that thing is off the hook now it's 1079 01:08:34,830 --> 01:08:35,190 like 1080 01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:43,680 real and that's why you don't have this pat ourselves on the 1081 01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:49,290 back show like this on the main stream because my iPhone would 1082 01:08:49,290 --> 01:08:55,020 have been wrong. My like clip for me and the way it works is 1083 01:08:55,020 --> 01:08:59,430 like it's not like a huge power structure. It's just that 1084 01:08:59,430 --> 01:09:02,070 somebody knows somebody that knows somebody. Yeah, I know how 1085 01:09:02,070 --> 01:09:06,630 your friend call you like, Hey, I'm not looking too good. You 1086 01:09:06,630 --> 01:09:09,930 know? You might want to go out No, get ahead of it. That's what 1087 01:09:10,170 --> 01:09:12,300 they use us or you might want to get ahead of the head and get 1088 01:09:12,300 --> 01:09:13,320 ahead of this issue. 1089 01:09:13,350 --> 01:09:15,330 Yeah, right in front of this. Yeah. 1090 01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:20,040 But he because Claire Huxtable, and I use her TV name for a 1091 01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:25,110 reason. legacies estate. Yeah, because the only thing that she 1092 01:09:25,110 --> 01:09:31,920 is is like, to the masses is Claire Huxtable. No Cosby Show 1093 01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:36,090 no Claire Huxtable, wishy washy at the same time, she also has 1094 01:09:36,090 --> 01:09:43,020 loyalty to the sisterhood. She's in a tough spot. Yeah. She know 1095 01:09:43,020 --> 01:09:46,020 how it goes down in Hollywood. I mean, she knows and she's like, 1096 01:09:46,230 --> 01:09:52,170 this is mass conspiracy. Now, like I said, you can be guilty 1097 01:09:52,170 --> 01:09:55,260 of something. But the powers that be and they're saying cover 1098 01:09:55,260 --> 01:09:58,560 it up for you. And I think that's how this whole thing 1099 01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:01,890 works in general. If you know how commonbond works. They want 1100 01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:05,220 to know all your dark secrets. You land the casket, you tell it 1101 01:10:05,220 --> 01:10:08,220 dark secrets, and Bill's laying in the casket. He's Oh yes, I 1102 01:10:08,220 --> 01:10:11,010 like to put quite loose and women's drinks, you know, that's 1103 01:10:11,010 --> 01:10:18,510 my thing. And awesome. But they take those secrets and use them 1104 01:10:18,540 --> 01:10:20,910 and webinars. They don't when they see fit. And it's like, 1105 01:10:20,910 --> 01:10:25,950 well, we need a big name for me to go we got a it's like, oh, 1106 01:10:25,950 --> 01:10:27,990 yeah, Bo and I know we're talking to speaking about this 1107 01:10:27,990 --> 01:10:32,310 and gallows humor, but we have to because it's a very heinous 1108 01:10:32,310 --> 01:10:36,540 crime that cross at across it allegedly happened. But at the 1109 01:10:36,540 --> 01:10:40,980 same time, this tape now is one of the most fascinating 1110 01:10:40,980 --> 01:10:43,800 takedowns I've seen in my life. 1111 01:10:44,460 --> 01:10:48,810 Yeah, it really is. And, and it's nothing compared to the you 1112 01:10:48,810 --> 01:10:52,740 know, we've got the Cuomo takedown the most recent one. 1113 01:10:53,190 --> 01:10:56,520 Can we put all this stuff in interesting perspective. But 1114 01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,970 where's the handcuffs though? Right? No, no, no, he got to 1115 01:10:59,970 --> 01:11:07,020 slip out the back door. I mean, he was he wasn't 15,000 he 1116 01:11:07,020 --> 01:11:13,440 wasn't elected official. Doing this to people in his office. I 1117 01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:14,340 mean, allegedly. 1118 01:11:14,820 --> 01:11:19,260 Now, can you understand the frustration with so called black 1119 01:11:19,260 --> 01:11:23,160 people in the justice system? Yes. What this is what it calls 1120 01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:26,250 it the frustration because it's like, oh, no. Who was Bill's 1121 01:11:26,250 --> 01:11:30,270 lawyers, first of all? And what, how did this even make it to 1122 01:11:30,270 --> 01:11:34,500 trial? You have a public statement by by the person that 1123 01:11:34,500 --> 01:11:37,050 made the deal with him saying, Oh, we can't use that testimony. 1124 01:11:37,290 --> 01:11:42,300 Public. It wasn't my end hidden. So close indictments was 1125 01:11:44,370 --> 01:11:49,680 something else. So on a bigger scale, in my mind? Yes, America 1126 01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:54,180 has a two tiered justice system. And we've seen it a lot. You see 1127 01:11:54,180 --> 01:11:59,130 it with people like Roger stone, you see it with the I've had my 1128 01:11:59,130 --> 01:12:04,080 own version of it with with taxation issues, you know, where 1129 01:12:05,250 --> 01:12:08,640 if you have enough juice with the justice system, you know, 1130 01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:12,240 you can you can take the IRS to court and you can win certain 1131 01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:17,580 things. The General Michael Flynn. I mean, this is well 1132 01:12:17,580 --> 01:12:20,640 documented how he got railroaded by the justice system. So this 1133 01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:25,770 does happen to people who the powerful want to have taken care 1134 01:12:25,770 --> 01:12:30,060 of now, does this mean that there's it's the Illuminati and 1135 01:12:30,060 --> 01:12:34,830 the boulais? Doing this black and white? Possibly. It may be a 1136 01:12:34,830 --> 01:12:38,670 little more across the board. I understand where you're coming 1137 01:12:38,670 --> 01:12:43,950 from. But there's, you know, there's also a current 1138 01:12:43,980 --> 01:12:47,250 currently, and this follows long of you saying, Hey, we're first 1139 01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:50,880 Yeah, we're following close behind. Because there are 1140 01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:53,940 certain there's a certain type of exactly a certain type of 1141 01:12:53,940 --> 01:12:59,370 white man. Notice, by the way, toxic masculinity only really is 1142 01:12:59,370 --> 01:13:03,780 for white men, whenever it's used. And there's and there's, 1143 01:13:03,810 --> 01:13:07,110 you know, different different types of justice. Of course, we 1144 01:13:07,110 --> 01:13:10,290 haven't seen someone on the level of Cosby. But you know, 1145 01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:15,450 definitely, it's a it's an anti man thing for sure. I hear you, 1146 01:13:15,450 --> 01:13:17,610 I hear you on the on the black thing. 1147 01:13:18,810 --> 01:13:22,140 But it's it because it's it's using golf. 1148 01:13:22,440 --> 01:13:25,410 I just think it's bigger than that. I think it's you have me 1149 01:13:25,410 --> 01:13:27,090 with the America's dad, 1150 01:13:27,419 --> 01:13:31,559 right? It's no no, I'm saying is their booth a was complicit and 1151 01:13:31,559 --> 01:13:33,449 under boulais didn't have the kind of power to be taken down 1152 01:13:33,449 --> 01:13:36,689 and cosmi does this be clear on that as well? They don't have 1153 01:13:36,719 --> 01:13:39,119 they were complicit in I was going to make an analogy to the 1154 01:13:39,119 --> 01:13:44,609 Godfather, right? When, when Michael's older brother got wet, 1155 01:13:45,149 --> 01:13:49,499 right? He got hit at the toll booth. Right? The tome the tow 1156 01:13:49,499 --> 01:13:52,529 guy had to be in on it, right? Yeah, yeah, I'm not saying he's 1157 01:13:52,529 --> 01:13:55,709 the one to pull the trigger. But he never had to know to get down 1158 01:13:56,489 --> 01:13:58,949 to start shooting. Yeah, he feels as though he has some 1159 01:13:58,949 --> 01:14:01,349 knowledge of the tape. Now what's gonna happen? That's what 1160 01:14:01,349 --> 01:14:04,469 I'm saying that's the Boo lays roll in it, that they they turn 1161 01:14:04,469 --> 01:14:07,559 their back on bill and cloak cross their arms and said, we're 1162 01:14:07,559 --> 01:14:11,459 not touching this right. You're on your own. And that's, that's 1163 01:14:11,459 --> 01:14:13,559 one of the point I'm making no, boo. They don't have the kind of 1164 01:14:13,559 --> 01:14:17,249 power to take on a bill cosby. And it's not even this. What I'm 1165 01:14:17,249 --> 01:14:21,179 saying is if you're a willing participant in this narrative, 1166 01:14:21,599 --> 01:14:25,799 of like, getting emotionally invested in it, this is how when 1167 01:14:25,799 --> 01:14:28,589 you walk away from it, like See, this is what I'm talking about, 1168 01:14:28,589 --> 01:14:31,409 you know, black man can't get a fair trial in America. This is 1169 01:14:31,409 --> 01:14:37,559 what firm a firm is. And it's this kind of behavior. got kind 1170 01:14:37,559 --> 01:14:42,779 of, like bread. You got to do I mean, the Fifth Amendment, 1171 01:14:42,779 --> 01:14:44,849 everybody, no fifth, Washington State. 1172 01:14:49,980 --> 01:14:53,790 Everybody knows that. But yeah, so I just say that all that to 1173 01:14:53,790 --> 01:14:57,990 say, now we need to get into the timeline of the Bill Cosby 1174 01:14:57,990 --> 01:14:58,650 allegation. 1175 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,960 For Bill Cosby, it has been a week of allegations from women 1176 01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:06,600 who say they were sexually assaulted in the past by the 1177 01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:11,040 comedian. Many claimed they were drunk and never saw any drugs. 1178 01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:18,150 But I would wake up completely confused, half dressed, and 1179 01:15:18,150 --> 01:15:22,200 knowing that my body had been touched without my permission. 1180 01:15:22,740 --> 01:15:26,280 Bowman says she went to Cosby's New York apartment alone and 1181 01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:29,640 that Cosby flew her all around the country as he performed at 1182 01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:34,380 various venues. But she says the advances were unwelcome, of also 1183 01:15:34,380 --> 01:15:38,940 speaking out to john tortious. We went up to his bungalow 1184 01:15:38,940 --> 01:15:43,470 Afterwards, he made me a drink. And very shortly after that, I 1185 01:15:43,470 --> 01:15:53,370 just, I passed out. I woke up or came to very groggily with him, 1186 01:15:53,370 --> 01:15:57,810 me moving my underwear. tarsha says that in 1969, she 1187 01:15:57,810 --> 01:16:02,160 voluntarily saw Cosby again when he invited her to a performance 1188 01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:06,390 after accepting drinks at his hotel and in the limo. She says 1189 01:16:06,390 --> 01:16:10,740 she woke up the next morning with him in his bed. Ironically, 1190 01:16:10,740 --> 01:16:14,970 Cosby released a comedy album that same here titled it's true, 1191 01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:18,960 it's true. joking about that very issue in 1192 01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:24,570 Spanish, like no, who is this girl? Crazy Mary? He puts them 1193 01:16:24,570 --> 01:16:25,200 in her drink. 1194 01:16:30,780 --> 01:16:33,150 Like Louie ck, Ck. Oh, 1195 01:16:33,389 --> 01:16:37,889 yeah. When the thing about this clip was the show that these 1196 01:16:37,889 --> 01:16:42,509 women saw him again and again afterwards. Yep. Which, which is 1197 01:16:42,509 --> 01:16:45,449 another thing I guess I'm not making the case for because it's 1198 01:16:45,449 --> 01:16:50,369 not what I'm doing. What I'm illustrating is how you have 1199 01:16:50,369 --> 01:16:54,539 such a divide on this case, and when we have these divides, is 1200 01:16:54,539 --> 01:16:57,929 by design. I believe that's my personal opinion that let's take 1201 01:16:57,929 --> 01:17:03,089 a case that can shatter society and and have them own looking at 1202 01:17:03,089 --> 01:17:05,549 the same thing, but looking at it from two different angles, 1203 01:17:05,580 --> 01:17:07,770 or like oj, etc. 1204 01:17:08,730 --> 01:17:11,760 Exactly. Because Oh, Dre set back racial relations and 1205 01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:16,830 Michael Jackson. Same thing. And then you got Bill Cosby here. 1206 01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:21,930 America's dad, clean cut, never waves his finger, everybody, all 1207 01:17:21,930 --> 01:17:24,090 you need to do is pull up the paint like said that kind of 1208 01:17:24,090 --> 01:17:28,140 thing. Yeah. And it's like, hold on, in the 1970s. He just out 1209 01:17:28,140 --> 01:17:31,890 here randomly. You're saying assaulting women, a black man in 1210 01:17:31,890 --> 01:17:37,560 the 1970s? And you can't get him? No, I mean, that just 1211 01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:44,490 doesn't register like as being by 1970s. I mean, man, we're 1212 01:17:44,490 --> 01:17:47,400 still getting lynched in lightning. 80s. Let's just keep 1213 01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:51,750 your funky with you. Right. And in 1970s you have a man running 1214 01:17:51,750 --> 01:17:52,050 around. 1215 01:17:52,710 --> 01:17:55,290 You just say let's keep it funky with you. Is that what you just 1216 01:17:55,290 --> 01:17:59,370 said to me? Thanks. I just want to make sure I'm 1217 01:18:00,450 --> 01:18:06,840 sorry. Nobody saying these things we they hit your brain? 1218 01:18:07,590 --> 01:18:11,370 And yeah, in little morsels. The fact that we're deep dive in I'm 1219 01:18:11,370 --> 01:18:14,610 going through this timeline. And you know, the narrative is one 1220 01:18:14,610 --> 01:18:17,790 way but when these little morsels hit your brain by it's 1221 01:18:17,790 --> 01:18:24,960 like, the women's arm again, Hollywood. Hollywood good now. I 1222 01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:29,370 mean, like that kind of thing. So I'm just but I'll say beauty 1223 01:18:29,370 --> 01:18:32,850 himself no favors once again, by making the Spanish fly. Now this 1224 01:18:32,850 --> 01:18:36,840 is a little long, but it's important. We listened to it 1225 01:18:37,049 --> 01:18:44,099 when I was 13 men start talking about weird things. Now really 1226 01:18:44,189 --> 01:18:49,649 stand on a corner. You know anything about Spanish fly? Fly. 1227 01:18:50,939 --> 01:18:54,239 It always happens when you're 13 only when you're 13 on up to it 1228 01:18:54,239 --> 01:18:57,029 like when you get married guys turn around talk about Spanish 1229 01:18:57,029 --> 01:18:59,849 fly. And it never starts with one of the guys on the corner 1230 01:18:59,849 --> 01:19:03,209 it's always some strange 13 year olds is you know if you know 1231 01:19:03,209 --> 01:19:06,389 anything about binary fly, no dummy man. Well, is this girl 1232 01:19:06,389 --> 01:19:12,389 crazy? Marry? You put some in her drink, man. Oh, yeah, that's 1233 01:19:12,389 --> 01:19:20,309 really really really for men on man. Anytime you see a girl go 1234 01:19:20,309 --> 01:19:23,429 to a party. See five girls standing alone boy about a whole 1235 01:19:23,429 --> 01:19:31,409 joggers, class. So I thought it only existed in Philadelphia, 1236 01:19:31,409 --> 01:19:34,409 you know, and I'm working on ice bi and Bob and I are working 1237 01:19:34,409 --> 01:19:38,519 together. Sheldon linna comes up says boys I spy is going to 1238 01:19:38,519 --> 01:19:45,329 Spain. childhood dream come true. 1239 01:19:52,620 --> 01:19:55,710 I'm sorry to interrupt this, but he almost has the cadence of 1240 01:19:55,710 --> 01:20:06,090 George Carlin in this clip. It's so different. From from his it's 1241 01:20:06,090 --> 01:20:07,470 very different and like 1242 01:20:09,870 --> 01:20:12,570 I said the bomb you know cuz he know nothing about it. I said, 1243 01:20:13,350 --> 01:20:16,200 you know what I'm gonna pick up when I'm in a stranger's Spanish 1244 01:20:19,980 --> 01:20:22,080 buddies are you kidding? There's a girl in my neighborhood in 1245 01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:27,630 Berkeley named crazy Mary we gave us every time he told me a 1246 01:20:27,630 --> 01:20:31,350 story. I had heard it every time I told him a story he had heard 1247 01:20:31,350 --> 01:20:34,260 it. We all knew the same story, so I figured there's got to be a 1248 01:20:34,260 --> 01:20:39,240 guy about 2000 years old as 13 going around the world you guys 1249 01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:39,960 weren't here last 1250 01:20:52,350 --> 01:21:00,660 night man was your single use me riding on the plains go through 1251 01:21:00,660 --> 01:21:07,830 cousins. This is the lane of Spanish. We're getting the cab 1252 01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:24,300 driver as a cab driver. Driver. Driver says in your lesson. You 1253 01:21:24,300 --> 01:21:31,560 Spanish station yo yo America. Yes. You come from America. Yes. 1254 01:21:31,830 --> 01:21:34,380 You can tell me maybe you brought with you some American 1255 01:21:34,380 --> 01:21:34,800 flags. 1256 01:21:43,380 --> 01:21:49,800 That's all you can hear Eddie Murphy took Eddie Murphy was 1257 01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:52,500 influenced by that it's very interesting to hear this good. 1258 01:21:52,620 --> 01:21:55,320 Good clip and in very different kind of joke of course than the 1259 01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:58,320 way it was worked into that clip before 1260 01:21:58,860 --> 01:22:03,780 but and then make the jump for Spanish slot equate ludes that's 1261 01:22:03,780 --> 01:22:07,170 the right thing. It's like, Oh, yeah. These little morsels. 1262 01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:11,070 Yeah. Are you know he made that? That? That comedy show about 1263 01:22:11,220 --> 01:22:15,180 drugging women. Right. And clearly, we have his cut that 1264 01:22:15,180 --> 01:22:18,630 out a little bit. Yeah, we have his confession. We have his tape 1265 01:22:18,630 --> 01:22:22,080 about Spanish block. Clearly this is open shut. Open and shut 1266 01:22:22,110 --> 01:22:26,910 case. So this is how Bill Cosby was railroaded. Great 1267 01:22:26,910 --> 01:22:31,890 oh great media in general, Mo great media deconstruction. 1268 01:22:32,910 --> 01:22:36,330 I appreciate that. Now we got to get to the quaint lubes and how 1269 01:22:36,330 --> 01:22:38,340 popular they was in the 1970s. 1270 01:22:40,860 --> 01:22:43,830 Who could forget this scene from The Wolf of Wall Street, 1271 01:22:44,070 --> 01:22:49,410 Leonardo DiCaprio and Jonah Hill High on quails unable to walk. 1272 01:22:52,980 --> 01:22:57,300 It's pretty funny, but Quezon are no joke. The drug is now 1273 01:22:57,300 --> 01:23:00,780 getting lots of attention after Bill Cosby admitted giving them 1274 01:23:00,780 --> 01:23:08,370 to women. Nicknamed disco biscuits. preludes were hugely 1275 01:23:08,370 --> 01:23:12,180 popular in the 70s widely consumed in nightclubs like the 1276 01:23:12,180 --> 01:23:16,860 legendary Studio 54. Originally developed as a sleeping pill, 1277 01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:20,700 Queloz had a deeply relaxing effect. Much like strong 1278 01:23:20,700 --> 01:23:21,510 alcohol, 1279 01:23:21,570 --> 01:23:25,260 not the typical high you'd get if you were taking like ecstasy 1280 01:23:25,260 --> 01:23:27,840 where you're partying or you're doing coke and you're really up. 1281 01:23:28,020 --> 01:23:30,570 It's more of a relaxed kind of high, 1282 01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:35,760 but quaint moods were often abused. In 1977. Director Roman 1283 01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:40,230 Polanski gave Ben 13 year old Samantha guymer a portion of a 1284 01:23:40,230 --> 01:23:43,920 Quaalude before he had sex with her. He fled the country to 1285 01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:46,500 avoid prison and never to return. 1286 01:23:46,530 --> 01:23:49,740 It's not uncommon to see things like seizures, coma and death. 1287 01:23:49,740 --> 01:23:52,800 And that absolutely happened, which is why the drug although 1288 01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:56,160 it wasn't on the market for very long, became a huge problem and 1289 01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:59,730 it became very quickly taken off the market. You know, by the 1290 01:23:59,730 --> 01:24:00,600 80s, it was gone. 1291 01:24:00,750 --> 01:24:04,380 Bill Cosby was prescribed preludes for a bad back. He says 1292 01:24:04,380 --> 01:24:08,280 he never took them but kept them on hand to offer dates. 1293 01:24:12,540 --> 01:24:16,950 This is great. I never heard all the I was so busy looking at 45 1294 01:24:16,950 --> 01:24:19,920 savage and all this stuff at the time. It's I'm sorry that I 1295 01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:21,450 didn't really follow this. 1296 01:24:22,410 --> 01:24:26,910 That's why it's a great topic to cover because we all were just 1297 01:24:26,910 --> 01:24:28,410 sucked into the media narrative. 1298 01:24:29,940 --> 01:24:32,610 Mo You know, I've like kind of just a black guy gives a shit 1299 01:24:32,610 --> 01:24:33,660 typical. That's all I 1300 01:24:35,490 --> 01:24:39,660 know what it is. We thought it like okay, who's gonna be the 1301 01:24:39,660 --> 01:24:45,120 next one? In an era of light? True. Okay, who's staying? Who's 1302 01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:50,610 up next? Moon? whatever his name Les Moonves met Les Moonves 1303 01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:53,580 Who's next? You know, that kind of thing. But yet and still, 1304 01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:57,600 when they talk about Roman Polanski. He gives once a 13 1305 01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:01,740 year old girl before they have sex, not the right Word. Right. 1306 01:25:01,830 --> 01:25:02,130 And 1307 01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:06,900 that was actually very, very, very soft on Polanski, the way 1308 01:25:06,900 --> 01:25:08,640 the media usually is about him. 1309 01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:13,680 Where is it? I mean, it's like, well, let's get us to have a 1310 01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:18,270 small discussion about Roman Polanski. Who did he pays off? I 1311 01:25:18,270 --> 01:25:22,260 mean, because it seemed like now Hollywood loves him because he 1312 01:25:22,260 --> 01:25:25,620 actually wanna what Oscar something they gave Meryl Streep 1313 01:25:25,620 --> 01:25:29,310 was gave him a standing ovation and we'll hear in us and stuff 1314 01:25:29,310 --> 01:25:33,840 about that but to be on the run that long as a white guy, I mean 1315 01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:38,820 like I mean, this totally this totally breaks the narrative 1316 01:25:38,820 --> 01:25:41,820 because we have this white guy on the run for his life over 1317 01:25:41,820 --> 01:25:44,760 giving you know a 13 year old quite loose and we are Bill 1318 01:25:44,790 --> 01:25:48,330 Cosby a black guy. This dropping quite loose like Dom you know, 1319 01:25:48,330 --> 01:25:51,420 saying like this like, well, how does it work? How does that 1320 01:25:51,420 --> 01:25:54,540 happen in the racial American? I mean, this is why it's like a 1321 01:25:54,540 --> 01:25:58,350 such a mind screw. How does that happen? I don't I don't know. I 1322 01:25:58,350 --> 01:26:03,330 don't know how that happens. Um, but like I said, disco biscuits. 1323 01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:04,020 That's that's 1324 01:26:05,190 --> 01:26:06,450 heard of disco biscuits. 1325 01:26:10,260 --> 01:26:14,280 No, no, it's a whole different kind of 1326 01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:18,240 biscuit. a whole different kind of deceit. So uh, let's see. Now 1327 01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:22,950 we have Roman Polanski's victim, and she wants to case dropped. 1328 01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:26,250 She was sexually assaulted by director Roman Polanski as a 1329 01:26:26,250 --> 01:26:30,390 teenager. Now she wants a Los Angeles judge to drop the case. 1330 01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:32,700 Daniel Nottingham has the story. 1331 01:26:33,210 --> 01:26:36,840 I'm just here to try and get things resolved and not on 1332 01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:40,020 Romans behalf but on the behalf of a fair justice system. 1333 01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:43,710 Samantha guymer delivered a passionate plea to end a case 1334 01:26:43,710 --> 01:26:47,460 that's kept her in the headlines for the past 40 years. She says 1335 01:26:47,460 --> 01:26:50,880 the trauma of media scrutiny has been more painful than the 1336 01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:54,150 crime. I do not want to have to explain to my granddaughter why 1337 01:26:54,150 --> 01:26:57,150 she can't go outside or answer the phone or why there are 1338 01:26:57,150 --> 01:27:00,480 camera crews outside my home. And eventually, what happened to 1339 01:27:00,480 --> 01:27:05,370 her Nana in 1977 guymer was 13 when director Roman Polanski 1340 01:27:05,370 --> 01:27:09,330 then 43 years old, gave her champagne and a pill during a 1341 01:27:09,330 --> 01:27:12,810 photoshoot in the Hollywood Hills and sexually assaulted 1342 01:27:12,810 --> 01:27:16,890 her. The Oscar winner pleaded guilty to unlawful intercourse 1343 01:27:16,890 --> 01:27:21,450 with a minor in 1977. He was sent to a state prison for a 90 1344 01:27:21,450 --> 01:27:26,430 day evaluation, but was released after 42 days. Polanski fled the 1345 01:27:26,430 --> 01:27:33,210 country to avoid additional time in 1978. He was notably absent 1346 01:27:33,210 --> 01:27:36,750 from accepting a Best Director Academy Award for the pianist in 1347 01:27:36,750 --> 01:27:41,010 2003. Friday's hearing was part of an effort by Polanski's 1348 01:27:41,010 --> 01:27:44,520 lawyer Harland Braun, to dismiss the case and get an 1349 01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:47,520 international warrant lifted that would allow Polanski to 1350 01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:51,180 travel more freely outside of the US. Outside of the 1351 01:27:51,180 --> 01:27:55,050 courtroom. guymer said she never felt the case was about her. I'm 1352 01:27:55,050 --> 01:27:57,780 standing here saying I'm fine and nothing you can do to him 1353 01:27:57,780 --> 01:28:00,810 will help me or anybody else. Suddenly, it's the space not 1354 01:28:00,810 --> 01:28:03,630 meat account. It's a really hypocritical view either victims 1355 01:28:03,630 --> 01:28:08,550 count or they don't. Yeah, well, you know, 1356 01:28:08,700 --> 01:28:14,490 I've always thought that the Roman Polanski issue was not 1357 01:28:14,490 --> 01:28:19,830 about this so called rape or underage rape at all. About his 1358 01:28:19,830 --> 01:28:27,120 investigation of the of the Tate murder. Manson dimensions? Yeah, 1359 01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:31,860 yeah, yes. Cuz he was he was all over that. And so, you know, 1360 01:28:31,860 --> 01:28:34,620 it's all kinds of weird stuff. You know, he was training with 1361 01:28:34,620 --> 01:28:37,380 Bruce Lee. And then, you know, I guess he thought, Yeah, man, 1362 01:28:37,380 --> 01:28:40,380 Bruce Lee might have killed him. And if this whole kinds of weird 1363 01:28:40,410 --> 01:28:42,750 I don't know, I always thought that he had uncovered something 1364 01:28:42,750 --> 01:28:43,290 there. 1365 01:28:44,340 --> 01:28:47,310 That might question like, Who did he pants on? Yeah. Well, 1366 01:28:47,310 --> 01:28:49,320 when you said that, that's, that's what triggered it was the 1367 01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:50,850 I kind of remember looking into that, 1368 01:28:51,330 --> 01:28:54,300 in a time where it was like, Oh, I mean, 13 year old, quite 1369 01:28:54,300 --> 01:28:56,790 loose. I mean, that's like, you know, a Saturday night it was in 1370 01:28:56,790 --> 01:29:00,330 Hollywood. Um, I say that flippantly but that's kind of 1371 01:29:00,330 --> 01:29:03,300 like the caused me to pace the narrative like that was the good 1372 01:29:03,300 --> 01:29:07,470 old boys club. Just how they roll. But all of a sudden now 1373 01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:12,780 Plessy is on the run for his life, yet and still, um, I just 1374 01:29:12,780 --> 01:29:14,250 found that weird. I mean, just just 1375 01:29:15,480 --> 01:29:19,980 want to go there's one. There's one other part to it. This is 1376 01:29:19,980 --> 01:29:23,910 the way it's been told to me. No judgment. I'm just saying here's 1377 01:29:23,910 --> 01:29:31,500 what the story is. If we presume that a lot of powerful Jews have 1378 01:29:31,500 --> 01:29:35,970 control over things in Hollywood, Roman Polanski being 1379 01:29:35,970 --> 01:29:40,410 polish, and he may have actually made some comments about this or 1380 01:29:40,410 --> 01:29:44,550 may have been some screenplay. The Hollywood Jews have a big 1381 01:29:44,550 --> 01:29:48,930 problem with Poland, because they feel he was Poland that 1382 01:29:48,930 --> 01:29:54,030 really that really built the concentration camps for the 1383 01:29:54,030 --> 01:29:54,780 Nazis. 1384 01:29:54,840 --> 01:29:59,370 They even made a Netflix documentary kind of rewriting 1385 01:29:59,370 --> 01:30:02,940 history or or what have you want to say reshaping the narrative 1386 01:30:02,970 --> 01:30:05,430 around Poland? So that makes plenty of sense. Now, I didn't 1387 01:30:05,430 --> 01:30:07,740 know that that's why I love talking to you. Because I didn't 1388 01:30:07,740 --> 01:30:09,960 know that part of Yeah. 1389 01:30:11,010 --> 01:30:15,420 He may. He may have said something, actually his poet I'm 1390 01:30:15,420 --> 01:30:18,480 reading from Wikipedia now is Polish Jewish parents moved the 1391 01:30:18,480 --> 01:30:23,430 family back from Paris to Krakow and 37. Then Paul was invaded. 1392 01:30:23,430 --> 01:30:26,250 Let me see, after his mother and father were taken in raids, 1393 01:30:26,250 --> 01:30:29,100 Polanski spent his formative years in foster homes under an 1394 01:30:29,100 --> 01:30:33,090 adopted identity surviving the Holocaust. So that's also 1395 01:30:33,180 --> 01:30:36,840 probably might be some something contentious like, you know, you, 1396 01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:41,340 you, you hid your true identity. So he didn't have to go to the, 1397 01:30:41,820 --> 01:30:48,780 to the work. He was passing ish. Yes. Stuff like that. Stuff like 1398 01:30:48,780 --> 01:30:51,930 that. So I don't know exactly. I don't know exactly. But I think 1399 01:30:51,930 --> 01:30:54,870 it all all of this comes into play somehow. Okay. 1400 01:30:55,110 --> 01:30:58,710 So I just brought up Rome, Roman Polanski to show you a sample of 1401 01:30:58,710 --> 01:31:01,920 how you thought I would think Bill would have been protected. 1402 01:31:02,310 --> 01:31:06,540 And this is Whoopi Goldberg explaining the Roman Polanski 1403 01:31:06,930 --> 01:31:08,190 case on the view. 1404 01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:18,000 I know it wasn't rankbrain. Maybe it was something else. But 1405 01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:21,390 I don't believe it was rape, rape and information. Somebody 1406 01:31:21,390 --> 01:31:24,180 will tell me am I here? All I'm trying to get you to understand 1407 01:31:24,540 --> 01:31:27,780 is when we're talking about what someone did and what they were 1408 01:31:27,780 --> 01:31:30,840 charged with. We have to say what it actually was not what we 1409 01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:34,500 think it what he said he did. He gave her Quaaludes. He gave her 1410 01:31:34,500 --> 01:31:40,800 champagne. She was drunk. She was 13 years old. That's what 1411 01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:44,040 I'm saying you're 13 years old. While she was still a child. He 1412 01:31:44,040 --> 01:31:46,410 actually excuse me, initially, he was charged with rape. Go 1413 01:31:46,410 --> 01:31:51,300 ahead. And then he, he pled guilty to having sex with a 1414 01:31:51,300 --> 01:31:55,290 minor, okay. And he went to jail. And when they let him out 1415 01:31:55,290 --> 01:31:59,730 35 days, and when they let him out. He said, you know what this 1416 01:31:59,730 --> 01:32:02,550 guy's going to give me 100 years in jail. I'm not staying and 1417 01:32:02,550 --> 01:32:05,040 that's why he left. So that's why we're really clear. Because 1418 01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:07,500 I want to know exactly what we're talking about. I'm going 1419 01:32:07,500 --> 01:32:11,220 to make it okay to you know, instead of saying and fighting 1420 01:32:11,220 --> 01:32:13,740 to fake, you know, it's going to be 100 years, I'm out of here. 1421 01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:19,680 But what we were talking about was what he did. And that's what 1422 01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:22,560 I wanted to clear out. That's all I wanted to clear up because 1423 01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:25,830 I don't like it when we when we're passionate about 1424 01:32:25,830 --> 01:32:29,040 something. We don't have all the facts. Okay, so he was charged 1425 01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:33,750 with rape. So should he be prosecuted now? I believe Yes. 1426 01:32:33,810 --> 01:32:36,150 Because the crime has not changed. I know she wants to 1427 01:32:36,150 --> 01:32:39,360 move on. But there's what does it say about crimes that are 1428 01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:41,130 still being committed against children? 1429 01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:47,340 Well, I love how she's how she's sticking up for the for the 1430 01:32:47,340 --> 01:32:51,450 Polish guy. Right, right. Right, right. What the hell is rape, 1431 01:32:51,450 --> 01:32:54,090 rape? Is that something that 1432 01:32:56,640 --> 01:33:01,140 your face comes to the window kind of right? Is that like, 1433 01:33:01,140 --> 01:33:04,170 that's totally disgusting. Like, why don't people like that get 1434 01:33:04,170 --> 01:33:08,100 counsel? Could you imagine getting on TV and defending our 1435 01:33:08,100 --> 01:33:11,670 Kelly? Our Kelly via what really right, right? Imagine if a black 1436 01:33:11,670 --> 01:33:13,830 man would have got on television was saying that they would have 1437 01:33:13,830 --> 01:33:18,060 been out the Boulay phone with a ring man episode highlight. 1438 01:33:25,530 --> 01:33:28,950 I'm glad you caught on to that. Like she said, Of course, of 1439 01:33:28,950 --> 01:33:33,660 course. Of course that you think that's crazy. Why do you get to 1440 01:33:33,660 --> 01:33:34,470 the second clip? 1441 01:33:36,090 --> 01:33:38,820 He forgives him but forgiveness is not permission and 1442 01:33:38,820 --> 01:33:42,510 forgiveness doesn't mean he didn't break the law. So I agree 1443 01:33:42,510 --> 01:33:45,810 with you sharing and if there's a point somebody brought up 1444 01:33:45,810 --> 01:33:49,350 backstage if he wasn't famous, would we be would we be 1445 01:33:49,350 --> 01:33:52,380 protecting him as much as we are because he his friend, his 1446 01:33:52,380 --> 01:33:56,610 friend, Otto Otto Weisinger fit, you know, millions and millions 1447 01:33:56,610 --> 01:33:58,860 of people love his work. He's a brilliant guy. He made a little 1448 01:33:58,860 --> 01:34:02,580 mistake. 32 years ago, Switzerland said auto Weiser 1449 01:34:02,580 --> 01:34:06,750 Polanski's friend. Wow, you know, I have to tell you, again, 1450 01:34:06,810 --> 01:34:10,050 you know, we're we're a different kind of society, we 1451 01:34:10,050 --> 01:34:14,430 see things differently. The world sees 13 year olds and 14 1452 01:34:14,430 --> 01:34:21,360 year olds, the rest of Europe, they're seen oftentimes. Well, 1453 01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:25,080 Sherry, I don't know but I do know that not everybody agrees 1454 01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:28,980 with the way that we see things. Now what I want my 14 year old 1455 01:34:28,980 --> 01:34:33,840 having sex with somebody not necessarily no now. I will tell 1456 01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:38,700 you that I'm not surprised that they that he hasn't come back 1457 01:34:38,700 --> 01:34:43,260 I'm not surprised that he didn't come back under the guise that a 1458 01:34:43,260 --> 01:34:48,540 would have 31 years ago. Will he get a different kind of feel now 1459 01:34:48,570 --> 01:34:49,290 maybe 1460 01:34:50,430 --> 01:34:53,040 that's pretty incredible. How old is that? This is a commonly 1461 01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:57,090 be like I get back from that time from 1462 01:34:57,090 --> 01:35:03,030 the cost. Yeah, this is this is right around ah Let's see. Maybe 1463 01:35:03,030 --> 01:35:07,440 2014 2015 cuz I think that's when the clip that she wanted to 1464 01:35:07,440 --> 01:35:11,130 case drop I think that's when, yeah, you know right after after 1465 01:35:12,030 --> 01:35:16,680 that happening, but a different kind of society. I'm not what I 1466 01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:18,600 don't know what kind of society she lives in. 1467 01:35:19,199 --> 01:35:26,729 well being is her real name is Karen Johnson. She lives in a 1468 01:35:26,729 --> 01:35:29,909 fantasy world regardless, he sees you. 1469 01:35:30,810 --> 01:35:36,150 Who has, I want to know who's pulling with these strings for 1470 01:35:36,150 --> 01:35:40,770 her to go out on a limb like that. And mcclymont. ABC is 1471 01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:43,350 Whoopi is a company woman. 1472 01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:47,550 So she asked me she's whatever Disney wants her to say. She 1473 01:35:47,550 --> 01:35:48,960 says that that's the way I 1474 01:35:49,380 --> 01:35:51,600 sleep with 30 year olds now that's all you had to say. Thank 1475 01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:51,750 you. 1476 01:35:55,260 --> 01:35:57,690 Disney outfit. Yeah, yeah. 1477 01:35:59,130 --> 01:36:02,010 And this is why this show is important because you will not 1478 01:36:02,010 --> 01:36:07,620 have this conversation anywhere else. Because, as you say, she's 1479 01:36:07,620 --> 01:36:12,210 a company woman. And most people are better company people can't 1480 01:36:12,210 --> 01:36:15,180 have discussions like this, but we can on the move facts were 1481 01:36:15,180 --> 01:36:15,720 encouraged. 1482 01:36:16,710 --> 01:36:19,980 The white man in the black man have to be able to sit down at 1483 01:36:19,980 --> 01:36:23,340 the same table for white men has to feel free to speak his mind 1484 01:36:23,340 --> 01:36:26,130 without hurting the feelings are both Negro. And the so called 1485 01:36:26,130 --> 01:36:29,130 Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the 1486 01:36:29,130 --> 01:36:31,920 feeling of the white man, then they can bring the issues that 1487 01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:34,800 are under the rug on top of the table and take an intelligent 1488 01:36:34,860 --> 01:36:37,740 approach to get the problem solved. That's the only way to 1489 01:36:37,740 --> 01:36:38,010 do it. 1490 01:36:40,230 --> 01:36:43,170 And that's exactly what we're doing here. And we've been doing 1491 01:36:43,170 --> 01:36:47,340 it well this is our 65th episode and many many more to come value 1492 01:36:47,340 --> 01:36:49,890 for value, there's a couple of ways you can support the show 1493 01:36:49,890 --> 01:36:53,130 and what it means is is literally that you're getting 1494 01:36:53,130 --> 01:36:55,530 value by listening to the show, if not, you should stop 1495 01:36:55,530 --> 01:36:59,250 listening. 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Now this is a couple 1508 01:37:45,780 --> 01:37:51,150 of more than a couple of weeks that stacked um so some of it 1509 01:37:51,150 --> 01:37:54,270 may be a little bit on the on the crusty side when it comes to 1510 01:37:54,270 --> 01:37:58,290 the content of the notes but we really appreciate the support 1511 01:37:58,290 --> 01:38:04,050 and we kick it right off with Philip brown $165 shot Carla 20 1512 01:38:04,050 --> 01:38:09,360 is blaze on am Paula big baller there you go $100 value for 1513 01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:15,570 value he says and 65 for 65 and then he adds a 73 of course ham 1514 01:38:15,570 --> 01:38:18,750 radio operator keela one five November Tango Yankee thank you 1515 01:38:18,750 --> 01:38:21,360 so much for that we really really appreciate the support. 1516 01:38:22,200 --> 01:38:26,880 And then Chris Bailey and again these are showed donations. It 1517 01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:32,460 comes in with the same basic concept. Shot Caller 20 is blaze 1518 01:38:32,490 --> 01:38:38,160 oh man Paula. Chris hits us up with two separate donations the 1519 01:38:38,160 --> 01:38:41,490 first one 100 and he says without so much value from the 1520 01:38:41,490 --> 01:38:44,190 last show I decided I need to make this donation my first 1521 01:38:44,190 --> 01:38:48,030 executive producer credit but I can't let the show number club 1522 01:38:48,030 --> 01:38:51,090 street die Be on the lookout for that in a second donation. And 1523 01:38:51,090 --> 01:38:57,720 he also wants a goat Russa and indeed his second donation $65 1524 01:38:57,900 --> 01:39:01,560 and he made good on it for the big baller for this episode. And 1525 01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:04,140 let me see he's got a goat whoosah 1526 01:39:13,170 --> 01:39:16,110 we got Brian Lewis now this is make good one. This would make 1527 01:39:16,110 --> 01:39:17,790 good from from what Moe? 1528 01:39:18,690 --> 01:39:22,740 This was we missed him from the last show. Oh okay. We missed 1529 01:39:22,740 --> 01:39:27,960 this note he was at the bottom so we missed them but our makers 1530 01:39:28,350 --> 01:39:29,850 now we move your right to the top 1531 01:39:31,410 --> 01:39:35,310 and you got $2.12 and you're right under the big ballers with 1532 01:39:35,310 --> 01:39:38,070 the make good This doesn't mean that you know we're always going 1533 01:39:38,070 --> 01:39:41,010 to be forgetting people for this to happen here's this note can't 1534 01:39:41,010 --> 01:39:44,040 wait to donate some more mon out of all I can say is wow I 1535 01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:46,860 donated last episode saw my name in the show notes but was not 1536 01:39:46,860 --> 01:39:49,830 mentioned yet. We screwed it up. All that matters is that you got 1537 01:39:49,830 --> 01:39:53,760 the money now. It matters it's vague works both ways. Keep it 1538 01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:56,310 up fellas can't wait to hear Moe and Adam crushed the 100th 1539 01:39:56,310 --> 01:39:59,850 episode bring us all together. United we stand and thank you 1540 01:39:59,850 --> 01:40:02,280 very Much Brian sorry we missed that note man glad we got it now 1541 01:40:02,280 --> 01:40:07,710 $150 from David Boswell big fezzik here what you two are 1542 01:40:07,710 --> 01:40:11,130 doing is meaningful is changing me deeply with every episode I'm 1543 01:40:11,130 --> 01:40:14,790 so thankful that you are both are sharing this work changes my 1544 01:40:14,790 --> 01:40:18,990 life too I think most would probably say the same $100 from 1545 01:40:18,990 --> 01:40:22,050 William Bullock, another executive producer Episode 65 1546 01:40:22,050 --> 01:40:26,100 value for value in his notes Brock Reinhold says thanks for 1547 01:40:26,100 --> 01:40:30,060 the show. Whoo hoo. With a hundy for us. Appreciate that. Brock. 1548 01:40:31,050 --> 01:40:37,740 Kyle man to Kyler Kylie. Thanks, Trevor. Kyle $88. Great show, 1549 01:40:37,740 --> 01:40:40,830 Kyle says cut one of the early episodes forgot about the show 1550 01:40:40,830 --> 01:40:43,050 then heard a recent episode we'll listen to the no agenda 1551 01:40:43,050 --> 01:40:45,600 stream on a late night in the office. The episode was 1552 01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:48,720 fascinating. And I've listened through the about eight of the 1553 01:40:48,720 --> 01:40:52,320 archived episodes so far, can see things have really been 1554 01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:55,410 coming together. Mo the preparation you put into the 1555 01:40:55,410 --> 01:40:57,930 shows comes through and there's good chemistry between the two 1556 01:40:57,930 --> 01:41:00,510 of you. I feel that your analysis has given me a better 1557 01:41:00,510 --> 01:41:02,550 understanding for parts of America that I've never had a 1558 01:41:02,550 --> 01:41:05,940 deep understanding of being adjacent to much of my life 1559 01:41:05,940 --> 01:41:09,030 living in cities in Ohio and also for a while new year old 1560 01:41:09,030 --> 01:41:12,240 home of Durham. Many mainstream narratives are either from a 1561 01:41:12,240 --> 01:41:15,360 left wing perspective that breaks the common man or from a 1562 01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:17,760 colorblind right wing perspective that's lacking in 1563 01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:21,930 depth. Yeah, that's a fair point. That your perspective is 1564 01:41:21,930 --> 01:41:25,500 rich and nuanced and humanization. And I found the 1565 01:41:25,500 --> 01:41:29,310 show novel and informative. That's a novel show. Thank you, 1566 01:41:29,310 --> 01:41:32,520 Kyle. Appreciate that as a blurb for the show. That is that is a 1567 01:41:32,520 --> 01:41:35,610 good blurb right there. Yeah, we associate executive producer 1568 01:41:35,610 --> 01:41:40,650 territory here by the way with August Alexander van Poppel. Hi, 1569 01:41:40,650 --> 01:41:42,780 Adam and Moe, here's a little token of appreciation for your 1570 01:41:42,780 --> 01:41:45,720 wonderful podcast. It's always worth the weight. So please keep 1571 01:41:45,720 --> 01:41:48,480 up the good work and we do appreciate everybody for hanging 1572 01:41:48,480 --> 01:41:53,790 in there for sure. Mike McCoy with the show number donation 1573 01:41:53,790 --> 01:41:58,050 $65. I consider this podcast one of the most important classes 1574 01:41:58,050 --> 01:42:01,650 have ever taken he writes the depth of knowledge you brought 1575 01:42:01,650 --> 01:42:04,680 to my worldview is something I can never truly thank you both 1576 01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:08,040 enough for. To all the producers out there is really worth the 1577 01:42:08,040 --> 01:42:10,650 listen from beginning from Episode One. A lot of people 1578 01:42:10,650 --> 01:42:15,180 doing that. Hoping for mo karma for all love and let PS there 1579 01:42:15,180 --> 01:42:17,100 was a producer from last show looking for someone to do a 1580 01:42:17,100 --> 01:42:19,710 podcast with I would be interested if you could hook us 1581 01:42:19,710 --> 01:42:22,920 up at his discretion of course, contact to follow Tor pecks 1582 01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:29,490 eleven@gmail.com to RP x 11. That's one one@gmail.com. And of 1583 01:42:29,490 --> 01:42:30,120 course we got it. 1584 01:42:30,480 --> 01:42:33,150 We're sorry, we we need to create a site like podcasts 1585 01:42:33,150 --> 01:42:39,510 mingle. So podcasters partners can find each other. You know, 1586 01:42:40,290 --> 01:42:43,770 another business idea is born. Well you got to stop doing this 1587 01:42:43,770 --> 01:42:44,130 to me. 1588 01:42:50,250 --> 01:42:54,180 We're looking at sir d h slammer who came in with a show donation 1589 01:42:54,180 --> 01:42:58,260 I'm sure for the last show we'll pop him in for today he had 64 1590 01:42:58,860 --> 01:43:02,250 and he writes rich in knowledge but currently cash poor still 1591 01:43:02,250 --> 01:43:04,710 funding the important things in life with the show club 1592 01:43:04,710 --> 01:43:07,500 donation. Thank you for your courage. Can I get a belated 1593 01:43:07,500 --> 01:43:11,130 biscuit for my birthday? Thank you very much, sir. Do give me a 1594 01:43:11,130 --> 01:43:14,040 biscuit on my birthday. That's right. No disco biscuits for 1595 01:43:14,040 --> 01:43:14,250 Yeah. 1596 01:43:14,730 --> 01:43:18,090 Yeah. Moving that back over to the other side. 1597 01:43:19,980 --> 01:43:22,620 All right, we have a couple more associate executive producers 1598 01:43:22,620 --> 01:43:26,670 $50 from Harald comer Meyer, who says I like the discussion. Keep 1599 01:43:26,670 --> 01:43:30,270 up the good work, Cohen Prowl, don't need to keep it on a 1600 01:43:30,270 --> 01:43:33,090 schedule. But keep bringing those mo facts. And actually we 1601 01:43:33,120 --> 01:43:35,880 in mo and I have had some chats and we really do want to get 1602 01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:39,690 this on the schedule. In fact, I think we're on a schedule now. 1603 01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:45,690 every other Wednesday. He says love Yep. Love your yard and 1604 01:43:45,690 --> 01:43:49,350 includes you curry even though we all know mo is the star of 1605 01:43:49,350 --> 01:43:53,520 the show. lol Hello. I'm just I'm just riding the coattails 1606 01:43:53,940 --> 01:44:00,300 clips of the star. No, the clips are not a mess. When I say this, 1607 01:44:00,480 --> 01:44:05,310 about the schedule, everything else. The value is even more 1608 01:44:05,310 --> 01:44:09,570 important now with getting mandate proof if people were 1609 01:44:09,570 --> 01:44:13,140 wondering where we're like sometimes real life kind of gets 1610 01:44:13,140 --> 01:44:17,610 in the way because we see what comment we're in. So this value 1611 01:44:17,610 --> 01:44:22,440 really is really maybe dependent upon at some point if things go 1612 01:44:22,440 --> 01:44:27,990 left. Yes. Well, yes, I just want to put that out here. 1613 01:44:30,090 --> 01:44:32,280 Let's put it this way. We've been saving our money for a 1614 01:44:32,280 --> 01:44:36,570 rainy day that could become and this import will be needed more 1615 01:44:36,570 --> 01:44:43,470 than ever. Okay, where are we now? We're at Cowen's 1616 01:44:43,890 --> 01:44:47,070 anybody, I'm sorry, but we don't miss anybody. 1617 01:44:48,930 --> 01:44:52,080 I want to do that. We got Cohen now we got William Taylor $50. 1618 01:44:52,080 --> 01:44:55,050 Thank you for the meet each episode an extraordinary 1619 01:44:55,050 --> 01:44:58,350 podcast. Can I get a mod Carmen please. And that's from hig 1620 01:44:58,380 --> 01:45:05,340 Hawker. You've got mocha, and we'll be thinking more people in 1621 01:45:05,340 --> 01:45:07,890 a minute after our final associate executive you got some 1622 01:45:07,890 --> 01:45:12,420 more Yeah, I finally executive producer is that I didn't know 1623 01:45:12,420 --> 01:45:15,180 if you missed it. Oh, no, no, no, I got it. I was I was trying 1624 01:45:15,180 --> 01:45:16,260 to do something different though. 1625 01:45:19,980 --> 01:45:24,150 Shot man, we missed somebody that I'll take that and I hear 1626 01:45:24,150 --> 01:45:26,640 you. People's value, man. It's their value. 1627 01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:30,600 But now I got to pronounce this name. I'm sorry. Holy yummy. Oh, 1628 01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:36,000 yummy. fiware Hinde. Me, that was worth it. It was worth it. 1629 01:45:36,540 --> 01:45:39,540 You know, this is probably one of those bend over names that 1630 01:45:39,540 --> 01:45:47,280 I'm not catching yet. Oh, me, Flower Flower. Hinde. Me. Wow, 1631 01:45:47,310 --> 01:45:50,130 you got it. Me, I want to know, I don't want to know about your 1632 01:45:50,130 --> 01:45:52,920 name. It's very curious about that. $50 and associate 1633 01:45:52,920 --> 01:45:55,860 executive producer for you and says, Thanks for the podcast 1634 01:45:55,860 --> 01:45:59,460 with Adam Curry learning a lot. And you bet. So we're going to 1635 01:45:59,460 --> 01:46:01,980 leave it at that for now. We'll come back in a little bit to do 1636 01:46:01,980 --> 01:46:05,820 the rest of our of our list all the way down to the bottom. 1637 01:46:05,820 --> 01:46:08,610 Hopefully don't miss anybody. But for this list of our 1638 01:46:08,610 --> 01:46:10,860 executive producers and associate executive producers, 1639 01:46:10,860 --> 01:46:14,490 our show donation producers are big ballers. Thank you for 1640 01:46:14,490 --> 01:46:18,720 supporting Moe facts with Adam Curry, Episode Number 65. Your 1641 01:46:18,720 --> 01:46:21,270 value is appreciated. We continue to bring it for you. 1642 01:46:21,450 --> 01:46:25,110 And we love hearing what you have to say about it. Support us 1643 01:46:25,230 --> 01:46:28,350 with a new podcast app new podcast apps comm boost whenever 1644 01:46:28,350 --> 01:46:31,650 you feel like it, send us a booster gram and of course go to 1645 01:46:31,650 --> 01:46:36,120 mo facts comm or directly to the donation page mo fund me.com 1646 01:46:36,120 --> 01:46:37,590 thanks again for supporting the show. 1647 01:46:39,450 --> 01:46:41,430 Alright, so one more thing I would like to add it when you go 1648 01:46:41,430 --> 01:46:45,030 to the mo Fahmy comm you will find now that there is a p o box 1649 01:46:45,030 --> 01:46:50,490 there for the people that want to send in a check cash gold 1650 01:46:50,520 --> 01:46:51,510 blooms. 1651 01:46:52,560 --> 01:46:54,480 Yep, money orders. 1652 01:46:55,139 --> 01:46:58,559 Right. So just let people know that. So speaking of speaking of 1653 01:46:58,559 --> 01:47:04,349 checks, we have to go and see who pulled the trigger on bill 1654 01:47:04,379 --> 01:47:07,499 to get this whole thing rolling. And what was their compensation. 1655 01:47:07,499 --> 01:47:12,659 So now we have to get into a handle burse his stand up joke 1656 01:47:13,020 --> 01:47:17,730 back in 2006 after Bill Cosby dealt with a civil lawsuit 1657 01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:20,940 alleging that he sexually assaulted a woman. Now there 1658 01:47:20,940 --> 01:47:24,510 were 13 other women that came forward as part of that case, 1659 01:47:24,510 --> 01:47:28,260 and before any of them could testify. Cosby decided to 1660 01:47:28,260 --> 01:47:31,770 actually settle the suit with the woman who filed the suit 1661 01:47:31,770 --> 01:47:35,070 against him. Her name is Andrea constant. Now originally, she 1662 01:47:35,070 --> 01:47:38,130 wanted to file a criminal lawsuit however, prosecutors 1663 01:47:38,130 --> 01:47:41,760 said that there wasn't enough evidence to do so. So now as a 1664 01:47:41,760 --> 01:47:45,180 result, fast forward to today, a comedian decided to make some 1665 01:47:45,180 --> 01:47:49,200 interesting commentary on this entire sexual assault case. And 1666 01:47:49,230 --> 01:47:51,570 of course, it's making headlines. I want you guys to 1667 01:47:51,570 --> 01:47:53,340 take a look at the video and then we'll discuss 1668 01:47:53,580 --> 01:48:18,360 Bill Cosby black people on TV and a successful sitcom on stage 1669 01:48:24,240 --> 01:48:30,630 Bill Cosby himself if you want to rate this public Teflon image 1670 01:48:30,690 --> 01:48:33,690 outlet has been on stage and people don't believe you they're 1671 01:48:33,690 --> 01:48:44,370 making it up. No, he have said if you didn't know about Google 1672 01:48:44,370 --> 01:48:45,180 Bill Cosby. 1673 01:48:50,670 --> 01:48:56,010 Yeah, man, I forgot about that. He was it was his joke. Yeah. 1674 01:48:56,310 --> 01:49:00,990 He lit the fuse here. Or did he? Was he just doing a stand up and 1675 01:49:00,990 --> 01:49:03,150 people took this and said, You know what, we could take this 1676 01:49:03,150 --> 01:49:07,290 and run with it. And we can say You know what? It was a black 1677 01:49:07,290 --> 01:49:12,210 man. That you're saying that? Do that initiate this whole circus 1678 01:49:12,210 --> 01:49:18,960 into action? To take down another black man. Oh, and I'll 1679 01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:23,940 be honest with you before this I had never heard never heard of 1680 01:49:23,940 --> 01:49:26,910 handlebars. Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, but I've never 1681 01:49:26,910 --> 01:49:31,050 seen him on Comedy Central or on Def Jam. I've 1682 01:49:31,050 --> 01:49:33,150 never heard of him since could be honest. 1683 01:49:33,480 --> 01:49:39,480 Well, we're gonna get to why you ever heard of him. But another 1684 01:49:39,480 --> 01:49:43,710 thing is and we talked about the American that America's dad and 1685 01:49:43,710 --> 01:49:49,170 the takedown the patriarchy, but also now understanding of 1686 01:49:49,170 --> 01:49:54,270 respectability politics, and how that's like the third rail. You 1687 01:49:54,270 --> 01:49:59,640 had to go because we talked about respect to respectability, 1688 01:49:59,640 --> 01:50:02,280 politics. On the last semester, pull up your pants cut your 1689 01:50:02,280 --> 01:50:06,930 hair. Right, right right English all the things bill was saying 1690 01:50:06,930 --> 01:50:09,690 he was rewet he will he was trying 1691 01:50:09,750 --> 01:50:13,110 he was trying to he was trying to shape up the black man that 1692 01:50:13,110 --> 01:50:16,380 we can't have that we gotta we gotta use those two for our own 1693 01:50:16,380 --> 01:50:16,980 agenda. 1694 01:50:17,520 --> 01:50:23,370 That is correct. So now we have a guy named Joe Rogan. But um 1695 01:50:23,400 --> 01:50:28,170 Hello birth. I've heard of his show. Okay, kind of a burst sat 1696 01:50:28,170 --> 01:50:31,800 down with him and talked about the aftermath of Bill Cosby. 1697 01:50:31,950 --> 01:50:36,810 Have you like completely move past all the Cosby chinar 1698 01:50:36,810 --> 01:50:41,940 details still take grief for that. That grief No, I've uh, 1699 01:50:42,180 --> 01:50:43,530 now you're vindicated. 1700 01:50:44,219 --> 01:50:51,179 I was a grief is just where I would be forced to talk about it 1701 01:50:51,179 --> 01:50:58,679 and situations it wants to and also it came out the joke in a 1702 01:50:58,679 --> 01:51:03,719 video came out right before we were starting the rollout from 1703 01:51:03,719 --> 01:51:08,849 my comedy central TV show. And we actually people that we 1704 01:51:08,849 --> 01:51:14,459 pushed back my announcement because that look, an 1705 01:51:14,459 --> 01:51:19,649 opportunist and news was that crazy that we pushed it back by 1706 01:51:19,649 --> 01:51:23,669 maybe he pushed it back the premier announced by a month or 1707 01:51:23,669 --> 01:51:28,619 two Why? Because he was that and so. So even though I had my 1708 01:51:28,619 --> 01:51:33,899 comedy central deal in place, this instance 2012 ad all around 1709 01:51:33,899 --> 01:51:36,959 Comedy Central deal is so then when that came out, and then I 1710 01:51:36,959 --> 01:51:41,429 got my show with it. Well, then my show was scheduled going to 1711 01:51:41,429 --> 01:51:44,069 air it look like Oh, he did the cosmic joke. And then he got the 1712 01:51:44,069 --> 01:51:49,319 TV show. No, man, this is like my fourth development deal. And 1713 01:51:49,319 --> 01:51:50,729 this is finally the show that I got. 1714 01:51:52,290 --> 01:51:58,200 Isn't it funny how things work? It's funny how that works like 1715 01:51:58,200 --> 01:52:01,290 you do you do the Cosby joke and then you get the show. 1716 01:52:04,170 --> 01:52:07,830 He said he was in the fourth development deal. So this is 1717 01:52:07,830 --> 01:52:12,480 what the the person that wrote and talk about nuance and 1718 01:52:12,480 --> 01:52:15,840 humanizing. We're not going to jump on handlebars and say that 1719 01:52:16,020 --> 01:52:18,840 he was sat down on a smoking room I ate Hannibal, you're 1720 01:52:18,840 --> 01:52:23,910 going to write this joke. You're gonna say you're gonna say he's 1721 01:52:23,910 --> 01:52:26,010 gonna be a great it's gonna be great and your show is gonna be 1722 01:52:26,010 --> 01:52:30,090 kind of pulled off but it's not it's not how it works. They know 1723 01:52:30,090 --> 01:52:36,090 this, Joe. I think they gave it gas or the Young Turks. I saw on 1724 01:52:36,570 --> 01:52:37,590 Fox News. 1725 01:52:39,120 --> 01:52:42,060 On a second let me just let me correctly the way I believe it 1726 01:52:42,060 --> 01:52:46,410 to work. Okay, please. But he did the joke. The joke made the 1727 01:52:46,410 --> 01:52:51,210 special work for them. For whatever reason, they didn't 1728 01:52:51,210 --> 01:52:54,810 tell him to write the joke but but it was the fourth the fourth 1729 01:52:54,810 --> 01:52:57,780 development deal. Finally they said out now you got something 1730 01:52:57,780 --> 01:52:58,920 we can use son. 1731 01:53:01,260 --> 01:53:04,380 I'm thinking that it happened. He told the joke. I needed to 1732 01:53:04,380 --> 01:53:08,850 development deal. He picked up press. You know, whoever meets 1733 01:53:08,850 --> 01:53:13,170 who ever wants to give it gas, Young Turks. Fox five. I heard I 1734 01:53:13,170 --> 01:53:18,540 heard his helmet burgers. That was my question. Like, who is 1735 01:53:18,540 --> 01:53:22,350 this guy? And then they call me like, Hey, we got to show you 1736 01:53:22,350 --> 01:53:26,190 one. And I think it'd be a great time for it. When you go out, 1737 01:53:26,190 --> 01:53:28,290 you know, you're gonna be asked about it. And then that's like, 1738 01:53:28,320 --> 01:53:31,830 you know how to press the it's like, oh, we hate to ask you 1739 01:53:31,830 --> 01:53:35,010 this. But while we have you here, Bill Cosby. He's a rapist. 1740 01:53:35,190 --> 01:53:38,310 He was like, What? I came here to talk about my shoulders about 1741 01:53:38,310 --> 01:53:41,220 to go off. So I guess I don't want to shoot man. Do 1742 01:53:41,220 --> 01:53:46,230 you know that this guy? He's the voice of fly low FM on Grand 1743 01:53:46,230 --> 01:53:47,040 Theft Auto. 1744 01:53:48,300 --> 01:53:52,500 I'd never played that game. So I'm there. Yeah. What's wrong 1745 01:53:52,500 --> 01:53:57,120 with you? Like killin hookers? Come on. I'm a sports guy. I 1746 01:53:57,120 --> 01:54:06,060 play basketball, football and anything with Mario. I gotcha. 1747 01:54:06,750 --> 01:54:09,690 But yeah, I think that's how it goes is that while you're on 1748 01:54:09,690 --> 01:54:12,840 your press run, you're going to be asked about Bill. Yeah, he 1749 01:54:12,840 --> 01:54:16,950 was saying that. He said I felt forced to talk about it. And 1750 01:54:16,950 --> 01:54:19,410 then it makes him look bad. Like, oh, here's God took down 1751 01:54:19,410 --> 01:54:22,800 Bill Cosby, that kind of thing. And he really alluded to in the 1752 01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:27,480 stand up that bill cod was Teflon. So even speaks more to 1753 01:54:27,480 --> 01:54:30,000 my like, why did why was he allowed to be taken down like 1754 01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:33,180 this? I'm not saying he shouldn't but I'm just just 1755 01:54:33,180 --> 01:54:37,800 curious how that happened. So we have a spark to Rogen and 1756 01:54:37,800 --> 01:54:38,460 Hannibal clip. 1757 01:54:38,669 --> 01:54:45,329 But so that was that was the thing where instead of instead 1758 01:54:45,329 --> 01:54:48,329 of just having this show that I was able to it was his energy 1759 01:54:48,839 --> 01:54:54,359 around it, you know, in 2005, July like yet, or early 2000. It 1760 01:54:54,359 --> 01:54:58,649 was this energy around it. Where if I was going to do press 1761 01:54:58,769 --> 01:55:01,409 around that time, they would Definitely going to what year 1762 01:55:01,409 --> 01:55:08,549 was it? This was 2015, so years ago to 2015. And that show it 1763 01:55:08,549 --> 01:55:14,339 fairly was October 2014. So, yeah, it just kind of really 1764 01:55:14,819 --> 01:55:24,119 affected the energy around it as far as in my want, and eagerness 1765 01:55:24,119 --> 01:55:28,139 to do a lot of press, just because I knew I was gonna come 1766 01:55:28,139 --> 01:55:32,369 up. Yeah. And I was just like I was. So that was that. I'm not 1767 01:55:32,369 --> 01:55:36,989 saying that that's the reason my shows not on anymore. People 1768 01:55:36,989 --> 01:55:37,559 like your self 1769 01:55:43,920 --> 01:55:48,030 awareness, self awareness to say, if I go out here, you know, 1770 01:55:48,030 --> 01:55:50,610 I'm doing all the Letterman's and all you know, all these 1771 01:55:50,610 --> 01:55:54,270 shows. And and I get, keep getting acts. So about Bill 1772 01:55:54,270 --> 01:55:58,020 Cosby. So about Bill Cosby. So about Bill Cosby. That's how you 1773 01:55:58,020 --> 01:56:04,470 get your own car real quick. Um, so he, he's making that 1774 01:56:04,470 --> 01:56:07,440 calculation, you can hear it in his voice that he didn't really 1775 01:56:07,440 --> 01:56:11,580 say that, but he understands that this can clearly be 1776 01:56:11,610 --> 01:56:17,310 perceived as a butter biscuit of your show for taking bill down. 1777 01:56:18,330 --> 01:56:20,880 When I when I'm saying that I don't think that's for one 1778 01:56:20,880 --> 01:56:22,680 for one season, and then it was gone. 1779 01:56:23,280 --> 01:56:26,340 And then for him to be on it and take a man's word for him to be 1780 01:56:26,340 --> 01:56:30,030 on his fourth production deal. Obviously, he wasn't maybe he 1781 01:56:30,060 --> 01:56:32,970 did a lot of writing for people. And you know, he was plenty like 1782 01:56:32,970 --> 01:56:36,090 that. But like, on the other hand, though, is I've never 1783 01:56:36,090 --> 01:56:39,150 heard of this guy before. And now you're taking down 1784 01:56:39,180 --> 01:56:43,200 but he does have a resume. He does. I mean, yeah, just saying, 1785 01:56:43,290 --> 01:56:44,820 you know, looking. Okay. 1786 01:56:45,480 --> 01:56:48,330 I mean, it's on my consciousness, you know, my 1787 01:56:48,330 --> 01:56:52,950 entertainment, radar. I'm like, who is Hannibal burres? So it 1788 01:56:52,950 --> 01:56:56,190 seemed very opportunistic. Is this the point I'm trying to 1789 01:56:56,190 --> 01:57:00,090 highlight is this person, I never heard of it. It's a lot of 1790 01:57:00,090 --> 01:57:04,170 comedians that does do a lot of work and a lot of writing behind 1791 01:57:04,170 --> 01:57:06,780 the scenes that you never actually hear. Oh, so I'm not 1792 01:57:06,780 --> 01:57:09,240 saying he's not talented. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm 1793 01:57:09,240 --> 01:57:12,570 saying is you put two and two together, it can look to be 1794 01:57:12,570 --> 01:57:16,230 four. Right? Like, okay, you did The Cosby Show, you get a show. 1795 01:57:18,510 --> 01:57:22,980 Wow, like, that looks fishy, which I'm not saying this 1796 01:57:22,980 --> 01:57:25,560 happened. But I'm just saying, This is how the ball got 1797 01:57:25,560 --> 01:57:30,480 rolling. But now we get to why it actually can take hold, build 1798 01:57:30,480 --> 01:57:36,060 itself no favors at The Cosby Show. In the old day. You 1799 01:57:36,060 --> 01:57:36,570 couldn't 1800 01:57:39,210 --> 01:57:45,990 because behind every drawing change was an eye. Before your 1801 01:57:45,990 --> 01:57:50,940 mother got off the bus into the house, she knew exactly where 1802 01:57:50,940 --> 01:57:56,460 you had gone who had gone into the house. Parents don't know 1803 01:57:56,460 --> 01:58:02,760 that. today. I'm talking about these people who cry when the 1804 01:58:02,760 --> 01:58:08,040 sun is standing there and and are in suit. Where were you when 1805 01:58:08,040 --> 01:58:18,090 it was? Where were you when he was 12? Where are you when he 1806 01:58:18,090 --> 01:58:23,280 was a thief? And I've come you don't know. He had a pistol. 1807 01:58:23,790 --> 01:58:28,740 these are these are these are not political criminals. These 1808 01:58:28,740 --> 01:58:33,420 are people going around stealing Coca Cola. People getting shot 1809 01:58:33,420 --> 01:58:39,840 in the back of the head over a piece of pound cake. And then we 1810 01:58:39,840 --> 01:58:45,630 all run out were outraged. Yeah, how was he doing with the brown 1811 01:58:45,630 --> 01:58:45,900 cake? 1812 01:58:49,110 --> 01:58:51,660 All right, so I don't know the pound cake reference 1813 01:58:52,139 --> 01:58:56,789 it? I don't know what either. Oh, really? Honestly, I don't 1814 01:58:56,789 --> 01:59:01,799 know where he, I don't. This is the famous poundcake speech. 1815 01:59:02,219 --> 01:59:06,959 This was the beginning of the end of Bill Cosby. When you 1816 01:59:06,959 --> 01:59:12,119 start talking in terms of these people, all right, we got to 1817 01:59:12,119 --> 01:59:14,909 look at the timing and this was made 2004 when he gave the 1818 01:59:14,909 --> 01:59:19,559 speech and then all of a sudden this case comes back up with the 1819 01:59:19,559 --> 01:59:22,889 woman and his civil case. You're saying that's when the civil 1820 01:59:22,889 --> 01:59:27,719 case first started so it's like I don't know what was going on 1821 01:59:27,719 --> 01:59:31,319 with Bill but when you start using like say words of these 1822 01:59:31,319 --> 01:59:35,039 people, and making the appearance that people are 1823 01:59:35,039 --> 01:59:37,949 robbing each other for Coca Cola and shooting each other back of 1824 01:59:37,949 --> 01:59:42,419 the head for a piece of cake. Um, we've talked a button we 1825 01:59:42,419 --> 01:59:46,439 talked about this numerous times on the show about the drug 1826 01:59:46,439 --> 01:59:50,009 epidemic and you know, the crime bill and all these things the 1827 01:59:50,009 --> 01:59:50,729 plate emptyeyes 1828 01:59:50,730 --> 01:59:53,730 like head bill never seen the wire or something that he just 1829 01:59:53,730 --> 01:59:55,200 felt this was what it was. 1830 01:59:55,500 --> 01:59:59,760 Well, this bill is true blue boulais it's like pull yourself 1831 01:59:59,760 --> 02:00:02,640 up by Your own bootstraps. I didn't ask anybody for any 1832 02:00:02,640 --> 02:00:06,780 favors. I did it on my own that kind of attitude. And what 1833 02:00:06,780 --> 02:00:11,820 happens is he lost timing with the quote unquote, community, 1834 02:00:11,910 --> 02:00:17,040 which is a real thing. Because once you lose that connectivity 1835 02:00:17,040 --> 02:00:20,970 that tether, and I'll give you an example, Oprah, she was very 1836 02:00:20,970 --> 02:00:25,770 anti hip hop. But Oprah was wise enough to read the tea leaves, 1837 02:00:26,190 --> 02:00:29,280 and say, You know what, I need to make good with hip hop. I 1838 02:00:29,280 --> 02:00:33,210 need to go sit down with Jay Z and Brooklyn. You're saying and 1839 02:00:33,210 --> 02:00:36,870 make good with hip hop? Because I need it. She needs you're 1840 02:00:36,870 --> 02:00:40,380 against hip hop. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you it's a whole you ain't 1841 02:00:40,380 --> 02:00:46,470 class? No, then you ain't black. And the funny thing is, Bill 1842 02:00:46,470 --> 02:00:50,610 Cosby was very accepting of hip hop, especially on his show. The 1843 02:00:50,610 --> 02:00:54,030 early iteration of it, like the breakdancing? Yeah, so it was it 1844 02:00:54,030 --> 02:00:58,470 kind of played into that, um, even brought several rappers in 1845 02:00:58,500 --> 02:01:00,870 on different worlds, which was another choice. He is he Oh, 1846 02:01:00,870 --> 02:01:04,980 yeah. All right. So it wasn't like he was anti hip hop. He was 1847 02:01:05,010 --> 02:01:10,800 pro black excellence, what they were saying or respectability. 1848 02:01:11,040 --> 02:01:14,250 Yeah. And he's like this guy, we got to get out of here. So 1849 02:01:14,520 --> 02:01:17,940 that's the that's the poundcake speech. It's the second part you 1850 02:01:17,940 --> 02:01:18,510 want to listen to. 1851 02:01:22,200 --> 02:01:26,220 The Board of Education is no longer the white person problem. 1852 02:01:26,430 --> 02:01:33,360 We've got to take the neighborhood back. We've got a 1853 02:01:33,360 --> 02:01:41,130 goal is right around the corner. standing on the corner, it can't 1854 02:01:41,130 --> 02:01:45,900 speak English. It doesn't want to speak English. I can't even 1855 02:01:45,900 --> 02:01:46,860 talk the way the 1856 02:01:48,690 --> 02:01:55,740 why you wait where you go. I don't know who these people are. 1857 02:01:55,950 --> 02:01:57,960 And I blame the kid. And 1858 02:02:03,420 --> 02:02:10,650 this is all in the house. Everybody knows. Except these 1859 02:02:10,650 --> 02:02:18,360 knuckleheads, you get to play with why you ain't. You can't be 1860 02:02:18,360 --> 02:02:23,010 a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth. Why 1861 02:02:23,010 --> 02:02:27,450 could you hit the streets? Why can't you clean it out yourself? 1862 02:02:27,540 --> 02:02:33,570 It's our time now ladies and gentlemen. It is our time. And I 1863 02:02:33,570 --> 02:02:38,310 have good news for you. This is not about money. It's about you 1864 02:02:38,310 --> 02:02:42,390 doing something that ordinarily we do it in somebody else's 1865 02:02:42,390 --> 02:02:48,630 business is time for you to not accept this language that the 1866 02:02:48,630 --> 02:02:52,800 people is speaking, which will take them nowhere. What the hell 1867 02:02:52,800 --> 02:02:56,610 good is brown versus the board of education? If nobody wants 1868 02:02:56,610 --> 02:02:56,760 it? 1869 02:02:58,320 --> 02:03:01,050 Do you know the setting of the speech what the who the audience 1870 02:03:01,050 --> 02:03:07,920 was? This was at the 50th anniversary of the Brown versus 1871 02:03:07,920 --> 02:03:12,960 Board of Education Supreme Court decision. Very boulais very 1872 02:03:12,960 --> 02:03:18,870 variable that he even referred to a person as it. He said yeah, 1873 02:03:18,900 --> 02:03:27,360 it was so yeah, okay. This is wow, that makes so not only 1874 02:03:28,020 --> 02:03:33,900 improves that he was quite removed from life. And for a 1875 02:03:33,900 --> 02:03:37,800 long time playing was didn't just printed, he just wake up 1876 02:03:37,800 --> 02:03:42,930 and Oh, they talk like this. I mean this. 1877 02:03:45,210 --> 02:03:50,460 Well, like I said he, you got to look at it from 1986 when Carl 1878 02:03:50,460 --> 02:03:54,990 became on until he went on television. That was a total 1879 02:03:54,990 --> 02:03:59,310 change of black culture, or the perception of black culture. 1880 02:03:59,430 --> 02:04:03,150 And by the way, I also think he, he probably really means well, 1881 02:04:03,150 --> 02:04:05,640 he's like, Hey, come on people, what the hell's going on? It's 1882 02:04:05,640 --> 02:04:08,430 about money. We need to shape our and get our crap together. 1883 02:04:08,730 --> 02:04:13,650 But that's Riley from a very, very, I'll just say privilege 1884 02:04:13,650 --> 02:04:16,800 standpoint. I mean, have you really looked at what's going on 1885 02:04:16,800 --> 02:04:17,190 bill? 1886 02:04:19,950 --> 02:04:24,450 That's the thing. That's the thing. Like he, he was very tone 1887 02:04:24,450 --> 02:04:28,230 deaf, but some of the things he's saying is true. But at the 1888 02:04:28,230 --> 02:04:33,930 same time, are you saying it to help people? Are you are you 1889 02:04:33,930 --> 02:04:38,580 making us in them? And if you're making us and then the Buddha is 1890 02:04:38,580 --> 02:04:44,070 a very small part of society in general, you know, the ruling 1891 02:04:44,070 --> 02:04:48,540 class is always gonna be smaller than the than the, you know, the 1892 02:04:49,110 --> 02:04:51,330 general population needs a prison term. 1893 02:04:52,860 --> 02:04:58,230 By the same token, while I hear people laughing they probably 1894 02:04:58,230 --> 02:05:02,070 like yeah, Bill, you know, Like that was really funny bill. That 1895 02:05:02,070 --> 02:05:04,740 was great. But that's that's just too much of that. You don't 1896 02:05:05,010 --> 02:05:08,520 really want people to actually better themselves, of course 1897 02:05:08,520 --> 02:05:11,880 gonna get a clue 2004 who 1898 02:05:11,910 --> 02:05:20,760 what happened in 2008? Obama instantaneously when bill gets 1899 02:05:20,760 --> 02:05:25,860 taken away, that creates a power vacuum in some kind of way. And 1900 02:05:25,890 --> 02:05:31,320 nothing but narrative. Obama became the American Dad. Oh, 1901 02:05:31,320 --> 02:05:31,470 you're 1902 02:05:31,470 --> 02:05:33,360 totally with mom jeans. 1903 02:05:33,990 --> 02:05:38,520 Right. That's why he became the new American day, right? Yeah, 1904 02:05:38,520 --> 02:05:45,420 no, yeah. So that power vacuum was real. backstab building 1905 02:05:45,420 --> 02:05:49,170 himself, no favors but Haha, he treated her handle burst by how 1906 02:05:49,170 --> 02:05:52,440 he spoke about him. And then we have another comedian, Dr. 1907 02:05:52,440 --> 02:05:57,600 Healy, give us a count of their interaction. You had a situation 1908 02:05:57,630 --> 02:06:00,930 when Bill Cosby called Sure. Can you talk about that? 1909 02:06:01,350 --> 02:06:05,010 Well, I was, but then I got so then I was I was doing kiss FM 1910 02:06:05,010 --> 02:06:10,050 here. Right after CNN. I was doing kiss FM. I was in the 1911 02:06:10,050 --> 02:06:14,700 morning show. Bill Cosby a calling to promote a gig I think 1912 02:06:14,700 --> 02:06:20,460 he was having in in Connecticut or Pennsylvania. And I was like, 1913 02:06:20,460 --> 02:06:23,940 build on like me, and I don't particularly care for him. So 1914 02:06:23,940 --> 02:06:26,310 I'm not gonna you know, I'll let you guys do the interviews for 1915 02:06:26,310 --> 02:06:29,220 pre tape. So a girl named Jackie Reed and a cat named Steve 1916 02:06:29,220 --> 02:06:32,160 Wilson, who were my co hosts started interviewing when he was 1917 02:06:32,160 --> 02:06:36,570 such a dick. I find like for five minutes to visit the dig. I 1918 02:06:36,570 --> 02:06:39,360 was like Mr. kazi, what is it you like for us to know? He said 1919 02:06:39,360 --> 02:06:44,760 Who is this? He said, I said this do he do? You say nigger 1920 02:06:44,760 --> 02:06:47,880 and I don't like your comedy. And he went in and I was like, 1921 02:06:48,090 --> 02:06:52,740 with all due respect, Mr. Cosby, I say nigga, but no kool aid has 1922 02:06:52,740 --> 02:06:55,200 ever woke up drug? What are draws on backwards? 1923 02:06:59,010 --> 02:07:00,900 I'm sure he said that. Mm hmm. 1924 02:07:02,250 --> 02:07:09,780 Well, we'll never know when it seems that this only comedic 1925 02:07:09,780 --> 02:07:12,600 circuit, especially the black community circuit, this was 1926 02:07:12,600 --> 02:07:19,380 common knowledge. Do I say we can all build anything because 1927 02:07:19,410 --> 02:07:23,370 handlebar bursts and it dealio he said it very frivolous 1928 02:07:23,400 --> 02:07:26,730 flippantly as well, the way and the way he delivers it like it's 1929 02:07:26,730 --> 02:07:31,170 well known that you know, when women get sleepy around you, so 1930 02:07:32,070 --> 02:07:36,840 we can't say I'm not absolving bill, anything. The first 1931 02:07:36,840 --> 02:07:39,570 segment of the show was just show the miscarriage of justice 1932 02:07:39,570 --> 02:07:42,720 that happen, and it can ever happen to him. It can happen to 1933 02:07:42,750 --> 02:07:47,700 anybody. And the second part I'm going to show is that you don't 1934 02:07:47,700 --> 02:07:52,350 piss on people on the way up. You might need those people 1935 02:07:53,310 --> 02:07:56,430 standing you're an offense. You're saying and and I will say 1936 02:07:56,430 --> 02:08:00,900 this dl Hughley, I think him and Bill Cosby are fraternity 1937 02:08:00,900 --> 02:08:05,100 brothers in omega alpha, I think I'm going off memory here. 1938 02:08:06,690 --> 02:08:10,320 He is a show by himself, because he was really big. And then all 1939 02:08:10,320 --> 02:08:13,680 of a sudden, he's doing podcasts and he's wearing funky hats. And 1940 02:08:13,680 --> 02:08:15,660 I'm not quite sure what that guy's deal is. 1941 02:08:16,860 --> 02:08:20,250 Well, he's a political operative now, okay, that explain ever 1942 02:08:20,250 --> 02:08:24,240 they need to push me and he's in one of those big markets. And I 1943 02:08:24,240 --> 02:08:27,480 always reference back to the black radio. And in this clip, 1944 02:08:27,480 --> 02:08:29,730 he's talking about their interaction on the black radio. 1945 02:08:30,000 --> 02:08:34,080 Um, he's out in LA and one of the big, quote unquote, urban 1946 02:08:34,080 --> 02:08:39,060 stations in LA so you can tell he's a political operative, 1947 02:08:39,060 --> 02:08:42,810 because when it comes to black and brown relations, and the 1948 02:08:42,810 --> 02:08:46,980 fact that's in LA, which has a large black and brown listening, 1949 02:08:47,400 --> 02:08:54,720 every very tappet how he handles that, that topic. So he's very 1950 02:08:54,720 --> 02:08:57,810 deep in the deep end and who we stand for democrat? For sure. 1951 02:08:57,810 --> 02:09:01,770 For sure. Got it. Got it. Got it. Um, so let's just listen to 1952 02:09:01,770 --> 02:09:04,320 him and his interaction with with Cosby on part two, 1953 02:09:04,920 --> 02:09:08,580 and we go back and forth and back and forth. I said, I was 1954 02:09:08,580 --> 02:09:11,730 base you could be my son. I said, but I'm not. And I said, 1955 02:09:11,970 --> 02:09:14,460 Everything you all you are because you experiences and I 1956 02:09:14,460 --> 02:09:16,320 appreciate that, but you're not going to denigrate what I've 1957 02:09:16,320 --> 02:09:19,170 been through. And I said, No one's ever heard of all the 1958 02:09:19,170 --> 02:09:22,110 words people have ever said to me. No one's ever say right. No 1959 02:09:22,110 --> 02:09:25,350 one's ever said we had this argument. Right. And so I work 1960 02:09:25,620 --> 02:09:33,210 cage 107 housekeeping, kiss FM, was owned by him his Bill. Bill 1961 02:09:33,210 --> 02:09:36,030 Cosby, like that table never aired this true story. He said, 1962 02:09:36,300 --> 02:09:39,240 Give me that tape. It's not gonna air and I said the fucking 1963 02:09:39,240 --> 02:09:44,610 day and 10 minutes later, all the people from managers came 1964 02:09:44,610 --> 02:09:48,990 down in miscommunications took the tape and made sure nobody 1965 02:09:48,990 --> 02:09:53,220 had a copy of it said if it ever airs if this airs nobody in here 1966 02:09:53,220 --> 02:09:57,360 working radio, so I know that that cat had the power to make 1967 02:09:57,360 --> 02:10:03,120 people do shit like this was the 2009 right? So this is way 1968 02:10:03,120 --> 02:10:06,930 before, but even before that, even if you read Time and 1969 02:10:06,930 --> 02:10:10,440 Newsweek in the very back of the paper, it talked about all these 1970 02:10:10,470 --> 02:10:14,070 great delegates. I grew up in LA and did warm up for a lot of 1971 02:10:14,070 --> 02:10:18,420 those shows. Everybody knew it. Everybody knew it, like Kip. 1972 02:10:18,420 --> 02:10:21,840 Cliff Huxtable is innocent. But Bill Cosby from day one I grew 1973 02:10:21,840 --> 02:10:26,550 up, but the dude the character is in the DNA. And I don't even 1974 02:10:26,550 --> 02:10:29,970 think that the cats like that thought it was necessarily a 1975 02:10:29,970 --> 02:10:32,190 wrong thing to do. They just kind of fed us what you did. You 1976 02:10:32,190 --> 02:10:34,800 gave some people doping. They did this. They knew what the 1977 02:10:34,800 --> 02:10:38,340 deal was. So I wasn't one of those cats who believed he was 1978 02:10:38,340 --> 02:10:39,570 innocent just because he was fun. 1979 02:10:41,490 --> 02:10:43,890 Pa Ms. Interesting. 1980 02:10:44,910 --> 02:10:54,420 I think he summarized a lot of feelings that Huxtable innocent. 1981 02:10:55,590 --> 02:10:58,800 Bill Cosby, a lot of smoke and mirrors a lot of smoke. They 1982 02:10:58,800 --> 02:11:05,220 gotta be some fire, huh? Um, but how do you separate the two? How 1983 02:11:05,220 --> 02:11:08,730 do you how do you remove a large segment of your childhood and 1984 02:11:08,730 --> 02:11:11,280 I'm not talking about what the show, but we're talking about 1985 02:11:11,310 --> 02:11:14,220 before with television, how to enter a plane into the family. 1986 02:11:14,610 --> 02:11:16,650 Eight o'clock Thursday night, you know where you're going to 1987 02:11:16,650 --> 02:11:20,400 be? You're going to be in the living room. The dish was going 1988 02:11:20,400 --> 02:11:25,950 to be washed. It was everything you ready for that show to come 1989 02:11:25,950 --> 02:11:30,690 on. And it's like, you live vicariously through that family. 1990 02:11:31,200 --> 02:11:34,500 And they inspired a lot of people to go to college and even 1991 02:11:34,500 --> 02:11:37,200 the deer show different world. Just a little just a little 1992 02:11:37,200 --> 02:11:41,670 inside baseball on me. The Wayne way was I mean, Dwayne Wayne was 1993 02:11:41,700 --> 02:11:46,980 a huge inspiration for me to be smart. And cool. It's like you 1994 02:11:46,980 --> 02:11:50,550 never saw it on TV before. Right? I can, I can see that. 1995 02:11:50,550 --> 02:11:55,680 You know, I'm funny. Okay. Yeah, I can see that. So how do you 1996 02:11:55,680 --> 02:11:59,070 take now you removed how you carve out that out of your 1997 02:11:59,640 --> 02:12:04,980 memory? This is why this was a struggle for a lot of people. 1998 02:12:04,980 --> 02:12:08,760 It's like, but at the same time, it's like Bill 6070. Women, 1999 02:12:09,000 --> 02:12:13,320 like, gotta be one or two. I could it could be 2000 02:12:14,550 --> 02:12:21,300 interesting. It could be part of a binary two part. Kind of MK 2001 02:12:21,300 --> 02:12:22,830 Ultra thing. 2002 02:12:23,910 --> 02:12:27,930 I think so because you it's hard to reconcile with this boy. 2003 02:12:27,930 --> 02:12:30,420 Yeah. It confuses your brain 2004 02:12:30,420 --> 02:12:35,850 to a huge degree. Hmm, interesting. Well, I mean, and 2005 02:12:35,850 --> 02:12:38,520 what I'm saying is, maybe there's a part to that can be 2006 02:12:38,520 --> 02:12:43,680 used or borsa it's a continuing program, just taking that as a 2007 02:12:43,680 --> 02:12:45,810 possibility. I'm not saying that. That's what it is. 2008 02:12:46,170 --> 02:12:50,340 Well, let's go ahead and listen, listen to deals last clip, and 2009 02:12:50,340 --> 02:12:54,690 then we'll get into maybe some MK connections. So what did you 2010 02:12:54,690 --> 02:12:57,120 specifically hear? Did you ever have like one of the girls 2011 02:12:57,120 --> 02:12:57,630 approached you? 2012 02:12:58,470 --> 02:13:02,610 Yes, it was. It was it was it was always, I'll never forget. I 2013 02:13:02,610 --> 02:13:10,200 didn't say this cast name. But when they were doing either the 2014 02:13:12,660 --> 02:13:15,570 it was a show that came at different world. He was a cat 2015 02:13:15,570 --> 02:13:20,640 who was a stage manager there. And they had led him for direct 2016 02:13:20,640 --> 02:13:24,090 one of the shows. He had the direct one or so. But he was the 2017 02:13:24,090 --> 02:13:28,770 stage manager. And he was late. And that man made that one black 2018 02:13:28,770 --> 02:13:32,460 because he made that black man sit down and like he was a child 2019 02:13:32,580 --> 02:13:39,960 on the floor. Like a child. I was like this, he really made 2020 02:13:39,960 --> 02:13:43,080 him do that in front of me. So I've never had this kind of 2021 02:13:43,080 --> 02:13:48,240 image that that was kind of inundated with the idea that 2022 02:13:48,240 --> 02:13:52,110 because he was a staggeringly talented cat that he was 2023 02:13:52,320 --> 02:13:56,220 incapable of doing some shit people accuse him of. Well, I 2024 02:13:56,220 --> 02:13:59,370 mean, Bill Cosby is always seem to have like sort of a beef with 2025 02:13:59,370 --> 02:14:03,360 a lot of other black comedians. This is what people don't 2026 02:14:03,360 --> 02:14:06,600 understand. When people say that you wouldn't be if it wasn't 2027 02:14:06,600 --> 02:14:10,680 real Cosby to Bill Cosby had owned NBC and Bill Cosby. He 2028 02:14:10,680 --> 02:14:13,980 said on the board of Warner Bros. He Time Warner he tried to 2029 02:14:13,980 --> 02:14:17,190 stop HBO from happening. He hated it. So all the comics, you 2030 02:14:17,190 --> 02:14:20,370 know, love and respect from the Chappelle to the monster Duckers 2031 02:14:20,880 --> 02:14:24,300 to the kid Def Jam to the kids Academy. He tried to stop from 2032 02:14:24,300 --> 02:14:27,060 happening. That's just true. I'm not trying to sell his 2033 02:14:27,060 --> 02:14:28,710 character. That's absolutely true. 2034 02:14:28,800 --> 02:14:33,390 Oh my god, I forgotten all about that. I remember when he was so 2035 02:14:33,390 --> 02:14:37,740 big that he owned like, all this stuff. And he was a huge 2036 02:14:37,740 --> 02:14:42,510 shareholder and he had powered NBC was crazy. This is good 2037 02:14:42,510 --> 02:14:45,780 shot. Thanks. He's got to stop. He tried to stop HBO, which 2038 02:14:45,780 --> 02:14:48,240 would have stopped Def Jam would have comedy jam. Sure. 2039 02:14:48,240 --> 02:14:54,060 Yeah. Which was like the catapult for hip hop. Hip Hop 2040 02:14:54,060 --> 02:14:59,040 comedy. No, Martin Martin was the heir apparent to him. I 2041 02:14:59,040 --> 02:15:03,180 mean, like all this Just connected because and I've 2042 02:15:03,180 --> 02:15:08,400 mentioned this before that eight o'clock Thursday, Tom slot 2043 02:15:09,840 --> 02:15:13,560 something magical about that will black America? I don't know 2044 02:15:13,560 --> 02:15:18,420 what it is because it was caused me only at first. Now he went 2045 02:15:18,420 --> 02:15:22,740 away and then Martin fell into that time slot. That was it now 2046 02:15:23,550 --> 02:15:24,300 let me just give you 2047 02:15:24,570 --> 02:15:27,630 an opposite side just for a second and you know, I know that 2048 02:15:27,630 --> 02:15:31,560 you're getting you're ramping up towards something here but what 2049 02:15:31,560 --> 02:15:36,540 if? What if Cosby saw it right? And he saw the abuse that was 2050 02:15:36,540 --> 02:15:43,680 coming down the pike with hip hop and the records and and 2051 02:15:44,490 --> 02:15:47,580 let's just call it general trauma based entertainment. What 2052 02:15:47,580 --> 02:15:49,830 if you saw that coming down the pike and what he was trying to 2053 02:15:49,830 --> 02:15:54,300 do was say, people stop you got to stop this This is crazy. 2054 02:15:54,420 --> 02:15:57,960 We're gonna we're gonna annihilate ourselves. And maybe 2055 02:15:57,960 --> 02:16:01,590 that's what he was saying and the way it came out is Cosby 2056 02:16:01,590 --> 02:16:03,450 wanted to stop def comedy jam. 2057 02:16:05,460 --> 02:16:08,700 Because not agree I'm not disagreeing with you? Because I 2058 02:16:08,700 --> 02:16:12,840 think he saw it right to Yeah, but it was not the issue I have 2059 02:16:12,840 --> 02:16:15,660 with the whole house. No, I understand. I understand because 2060 02:16:15,660 --> 02:16:18,240 it seek first to understand then to be understood. And this is 2061 02:16:18,240 --> 02:16:22,950 the role of an elder alarming when I was at age once and I was 2062 02:16:22,950 --> 02:16:28,560 doing both Uptown Saturday night with a with a Sydney party a and 2063 02:16:28,560 --> 02:16:32,640 me he hasn't mean me bill wasn't a squeaky clean person. That's 2064 02:16:32,640 --> 02:16:35,280 the thing is like, it's the hypocrisy if you were like 2065 02:16:35,280 --> 02:16:39,480 squeaky clean, okay, that you can, you know, have the right. 2066 02:16:40,259 --> 02:16:45,749 But you look you watch him with Sammy and, and Hefner, on 2067 02:16:45,749 --> 02:16:50,489 playboy at night, you know, back in the early 70s, or something 2068 02:16:50,489 --> 02:16:56,039 late 60s. Those cats had it going on, man, you could tell it 2069 02:16:56,039 --> 02:16:56,759 was swinging. 2070 02:16:57,809 --> 02:17:00,629 Great. And that's the thing is like, Bill, you've been where 2071 02:17:00,629 --> 02:17:05,369 we're at. Yeah. Is that seek first understand them and be 2072 02:17:05,369 --> 02:17:09,809 understood. That's where Bill's annoying was that he didn't stay 2073 02:17:09,809 --> 02:17:15,059 tied in with, you know, saying the younger comics, being like, 2074 02:17:15,059 --> 02:17:18,359 you know what, let me show you a shrink, so you don't have to use 2075 02:17:18,359 --> 02:17:21,689 so many cuss words, right? Because that's the thing. Let me 2076 02:17:21,719 --> 02:17:24,479 let me show you how timing that kind of is the transfer of 2077 02:17:24,479 --> 02:17:27,479 knowledge and you know, that stuff you can't pay for? But he 2078 02:17:27,479 --> 02:17:31,979 was like, No, I wouldn't have it my way. My pics and they're 2079 02:17:31,979 --> 02:17:35,339 perfect and pure. They're also choices you make as you get 2080 02:17:35,339 --> 02:17:39,299 older, you know, where I turned, I turned 57 and a couple of 2081 02:17:39,299 --> 02:17:45,269 days. And I'm not. It's like, now I'm on the other side. 2082 02:17:45,269 --> 02:17:48,779 Right? So now it's I one day will be old and be meant to 2083 02:17:48,779 --> 02:17:51,479 cleaned up and swept under the carpet. 2084 02:17:51,840 --> 02:17:55,590 And so you can you can point it the next generation coming 2085 02:17:55,590 --> 02:17:58,980 along, which I see is older millennials 2829. And say you're 2086 02:17:58,980 --> 02:18:02,760 doing it wrong. Or you know, like, Well, here's a path and 2087 02:18:02,790 --> 02:18:06,480 and go develop. And you know, and don't try to be a 2088 02:18:06,480 --> 02:18:09,600 micromanage language, which of course we're comedy, a lot of 2089 02:18:09,600 --> 02:18:10,740 what comedy is about. 2090 02:18:11,309 --> 02:18:14,279 Can you get the door for just a second? Cuz I think we need to 2091 02:18:14,279 --> 02:18:19,259 see we have to have a common eye inside a conversation. 2092 02:18:19,679 --> 02:18:24,029 Not a problem. Okay, I just asked. 2093 02:18:24,809 --> 02:18:29,999 I just said, you could have been the Bill Cosby to me by saying 2094 02:18:29,999 --> 02:18:33,989 hey, young man, this is how podcasting is done. And if you 2095 02:18:33,989 --> 02:18:38,279 can't stick to a certain day or every week at a certain time, 2096 02:18:38,489 --> 02:18:41,309 you know, you're going to fail. And I'm going to not do business 2097 02:18:41,309 --> 02:18:43,019 with you. Now, that kind of thing, right? But you're like, 2098 02:18:43,049 --> 02:18:48,029 hey, the proof is in the pudding. This is what you know, 2099 02:18:48,029 --> 02:18:51,539 this is this is what I'm saying? Like you couldn't took that I 2100 02:18:51,539 --> 02:18:54,479 know everything because I'm the pod father kind of thing kind of 2101 02:18:54,479 --> 02:18:57,809 tone where you like, No, no, you kind of let me feel my way 2102 02:18:57,809 --> 02:19:03,239 through it. And it made me earn the respect to you because like, 2103 02:19:03,269 --> 02:19:06,419 Okay, this I'm talking to the Father here. And we need to be 2104 02:19:06,419 --> 02:19:11,579 on a schedule. Like, who am I? But it's their approach. So I 2105 02:19:11,579 --> 02:19:15,629 just want to say that is the approach. You know, if you the 2106 02:19:15,629 --> 02:19:17,999 way you cut, especially when you're coming in younger people. 2107 02:19:18,449 --> 02:19:20,579 I mean, you already got a chip on your shoulder. I mean, 2108 02:19:20,579 --> 02:19:24,209 luckily we're we're too mature, man, you know, but these guys 2109 02:19:24,209 --> 02:19:29,339 20s Yeah, this and you're coming in all that have never worked 2110 02:19:29,339 --> 02:19:32,489 out, you know, hip hop, no turn on the music, that kind of 2111 02:19:32,489 --> 02:19:35,519 thing. So I just wanted to just have that conversation. I got 2112 02:19:35,519 --> 02:19:37,499 quick. Okay. All right. Got it. Got it. 2113 02:19:37,620 --> 02:19:41,880 But and thank you. I'm glad that I'm glad that you see it that 2114 02:19:41,880 --> 02:19:45,120 way. And I think that Yeah, approaches everything. No doubt 2115 02:19:45,120 --> 02:19:48,090 about it. But of course, I also don't have a seat on the board 2116 02:19:48,090 --> 02:19:53,640 at MTV NBC. I'm not worth $9 million now. Alright, doors open 2117 02:19:53,640 --> 02:20:02,430 again. Not yet. Thanks. Appreciate that. Man. Yeah, I'm 2118 02:20:02,430 --> 02:20:03,750 hanging on I'm hanging out but, 2119 02:20:04,050 --> 02:20:08,760 but since you brought up playboy, yeah, we got to look 2120 02:20:08,760 --> 02:20:11,970 into this relationship with playboy Bill Cosby and Hugh 2121 02:20:11,970 --> 02:20:15,000 Hefner. So let's look at Hugh Hefner's bedroom antics. 2122 02:20:17,460 --> 02:20:20,100 Guys Holly Madison's juicy memoir down the rabbit hole 2123 02:20:20,100 --> 02:20:22,620 curious adventures and cautionary tales of a former 2124 02:20:22,620 --> 02:20:25,890 Playboy bunny reveals secrets from behind the closed gates of 2125 02:20:25,890 --> 02:20:28,890 the Playboy Mansion. Not surprisingly, the tell all is 2126 02:20:28,890 --> 02:20:31,530 stirring the pot with Hugh Hefner, but his former number 2127 02:20:31,530 --> 02:20:34,470 one girlfriend is not done talking. Check out what Holly 2128 02:20:34,470 --> 02:20:37,890 says have used to do to pit the girlfriend's against each other. 2129 02:20:37,950 --> 02:20:42,960 It's our Toyota people picking the day. There's so many 2130 02:20:42,960 --> 02:20:45,870 interesting things revealed some of those things were have had 2131 02:20:45,870 --> 02:20:48,390 some kind of rules and things he liked, didn't like. So you've 2132 02:20:48,390 --> 02:20:50,670 revealed some very explicit details here about your first 2133 02:20:50,670 --> 02:20:53,400 sexual encounter with Hugh Hefner. You were offered 2134 02:20:53,400 --> 02:20:57,150 Quaaludes, you said, drinking a lot to kind of make it through 2135 02:20:57,330 --> 02:21:00,420 the night, he wanted you to put on a show of sorts and as well 2136 02:21:00,420 --> 02:21:03,270 as the other girls. What's the bottom line here? Do any of the 2137 02:21:03,270 --> 02:21:08,100 girlfriends really love half and the kinds of sort of rituals or 2138 02:21:08,100 --> 02:21:12,420 these sort of games or requirements that are on all of 2139 02:21:12,420 --> 02:21:13,290 them in the bedroom? 2140 02:21:13,590 --> 02:21:15,930 You know, when I first moved in, there were six other girls and 2141 02:21:15,930 --> 02:21:18,270 it just seemed like everybody wanted to get all that kind of 2142 02:21:18,270 --> 02:21:22,530 thing over with very quickly and didn't really seem into it. How 2143 02:21:22,530 --> 02:21:23,730 much about your past? 2144 02:21:23,760 --> 02:21:27,630 Are you going to let your daughter know about or do you 2145 02:21:27,630 --> 02:21:29,250 want to read this book? Eventually you had to be 2146 02:21:29,250 --> 02:21:31,530 thinking about that as you're feeling some of these things. 2147 02:21:31,680 --> 02:21:33,390 But she's gonna see this and know this. Yeah, 2148 02:21:33,390 --> 02:21:35,700 one day when she was old enough. She'll definitely you know, be 2149 02:21:35,700 --> 02:21:38,940 able to read the book and I'm very proud of the book. And you 2150 02:21:38,940 --> 02:21:42,390 know, even though there's some uncomfortable things for me in 2151 02:21:42,390 --> 02:21:45,330 there, it's it's something I'm proud of sharing my story and I 2152 02:21:45,330 --> 02:21:47,070 hope that other people can learn from it. 2153 02:21:49,380 --> 02:21:54,480 Learn from it. So we see quite low a lose. Yeah, interesting. 2154 02:21:54,990 --> 02:22:01,650 But it's amazing. Hugh Hefner icon. No take. 2155 02:22:02,969 --> 02:22:08,879 No take now. 1617 me rescue me. Us. Allegedly seven 817 18 year 2156 02:22:08,879 --> 02:22:12,179 old girls coming in and out of the mansion. I can say it was 2157 02:22:12,179 --> 02:22:15,749 America's warehouse. For good or bad. It is what it is. You know 2158 02:22:15,749 --> 02:22:19,049 to me. We're not when we have to call it what it is. We have 2159 02:22:19,049 --> 02:22:21,509 these allegations coming out of these rituals that she called 2160 02:22:21,509 --> 02:22:29,129 it. Oh, we love you. Isn't that amazing? So now we're going to 2161 02:22:29,129 --> 02:22:33,719 go over to a Is there anything you want to say on that? Oh, no, 2162 02:22:33,719 --> 02:22:34,409 no, I'm 2163 02:22:36,269 --> 02:22:38,759 Dude, you brought the quaint ludes clip from Hafner. I mean 2164 02:22:38,759 --> 02:22:41,609 that was impressive. A good one. 2165 02:22:42,300 --> 02:22:46,920 So let's get deeper into Bill Cosby and Hugh Hefner, this is 2166 02:22:47,190 --> 02:22:51,510 Mark Ebner, who is a Hollywood Reporter and sleuth, so we got 2167 02:22:51,510 --> 02:22:53,670 to be serious. This is the lip TV. 2168 02:22:53,819 --> 02:22:57,089 Firstly, I want to get a few more points out because it's 2169 02:22:57,089 --> 02:22:59,489 really important that you know we're all on the line in the 2170 02:22:59,489 --> 02:23:02,669 quaint loujen that sort of thing. People have been asking 2171 02:23:02,669 --> 02:23:06,359 you know there's no proof he raised you he raped anybody show 2172 02:23:06,359 --> 02:23:11,339 us the prescription pills. Show us the you know the blood 2173 02:23:11,339 --> 02:23:14,609 evidence show us this and show us that about believing these 2174 02:23:14,609 --> 02:23:19,679 women for starters. But beyond that, if you want to trace the 2175 02:23:20,399 --> 02:23:24,239 if you want to follow the trail of drugs, Bill Cosby, I think 2176 02:23:24,239 --> 02:23:29,189 you need look no further than the Playboy Mansion, and Hugh 2177 02:23:29,189 --> 02:23:34,829 Hefner, who I think has been quoted as saying, as calling 2178 02:23:34,949 --> 02:23:41,459 quaint ludes What was it five openers I also would look even 2179 02:23:41,459 --> 02:23:46,919 closer into the mansion. And look at his personal possession. 2180 02:23:47,219 --> 02:23:50,579 Mark sagen are is that guy dead yet by the way? 2181 02:23:50,760 --> 02:23:52,410 I don't think so. But I'm not 2182 02:23:52,409 --> 02:23:58,199 sure probably should be. But regardless, this guy, I you 2183 02:23:58,199 --> 02:24:01,589 know, put that together that he not only outta his personal 2184 02:24:01,589 --> 02:24:07,019 physician on call of quite possibly for date rape drugs 2185 02:24:07,019 --> 02:24:10,169 whenever he wanted him. And I'm talking about Hafner and I'm 2186 02:24:10,169 --> 02:24:14,849 talking about Cosby and I'm talking about any other you 2187 02:24:14,849 --> 02:24:19,349 know, of these anger runs at the Playboy Mansion. You know, it's 2188 02:24:19,349 --> 02:24:22,679 starting to make sense that you would probably look no further 2189 02:24:22,679 --> 02:24:26,189 than Mark sagen ORS prescription pad. 2190 02:24:27,270 --> 02:24:34,710 Oh my about that. And then the name Mark sagen our pops up a 2191 02:24:34,710 --> 02:24:39,030 national enquirer story which as we know from men and black is is 2192 02:24:39,030 --> 02:24:43,620 real. And there it is exposed Bill Cosby's cronies who enabled 2193 02:24:43,620 --> 02:24:49,560 his twisted crimes. Even his former TV co star Jimmy JJ 2194 02:24:49,560 --> 02:24:52,860 Walker is now calling Bill Cosby, the oj simpson of the 2195 02:24:52,860 --> 02:24:53,790 comedy world. 2196 02:24:55,380 --> 02:24:59,250 And that was the problem. Like you had co stars on the show, 2197 02:24:59,250 --> 02:25:06,540 right? Everybody's just started piling on probably rightfully so 2198 02:25:06,540 --> 02:25:08,910 like I said when there's too much smoke it has to be some 2199 02:25:08,910 --> 02:25:12,960 fire there. And just as I mentioned Martin Lawrence before 2200 02:25:13,530 --> 02:25:19,470 it's a very interesting person that I'm accused Bill Cosby of 2201 02:25:19,500 --> 02:25:24,900 this crime that got no press a lot. Vorhees Are you familiar 2202 02:25:24,900 --> 02:25:30,540 with Lark Vorhees? Lisa turtle for saying about the bill? 2203 02:25:31,110 --> 02:25:32,730 No, no, I don't know anything. She 2204 02:25:33,149 --> 02:25:37,289 she had a complete meltdown in front of everybody. She was the 2205 02:25:37,289 --> 02:25:39,839 black girl alone say about the bill, which was another one of 2206 02:25:39,839 --> 02:25:42,809 my childhood shows. And when I would go back and look at her, 2207 02:25:43,079 --> 02:25:45,869 and what happened to her she clearly suffers from some kind 2208 02:25:45,869 --> 02:25:49,349 of multiple personality kind of thing going on. We could which 2209 02:25:49,349 --> 02:25:54,059 could easily be di D But um, she had always thought that three 2210 02:25:54,059 --> 02:25:57,989 six is hands on and all aluminum, Illuminati hand signs, 2211 02:25:58,019 --> 02:26:01,499 and let's say Bob, the bill adds, Oh, wow. So it's like, 2212 02:26:01,529 --> 02:26:04,859 wow, like, but nobody gave her the time of day to speak about 2213 02:26:04,859 --> 02:26:07,799 it. Because they want it to be white women being attacked by 2214 02:26:07,799 --> 02:26:08,549 Bill Cosby 2215 02:26:08,580 --> 02:26:11,130 skit show Affective Disorder. 2216 02:26:11,370 --> 02:26:14,310 Yes, I had a whole set of clips and to go down that rabbit hole, 2217 02:26:14,370 --> 02:26:17,550 maybe another time for another day. But I was fascinated that 2218 02:26:17,550 --> 02:26:21,300 she didn't get any press. But her meltdown was covered in the 2219 02:26:21,300 --> 02:26:24,780 media, but they never connected her to Cosby. And I just found 2220 02:26:24,780 --> 02:26:29,550 that interesting. A glaring glaring no Miss omission, 2221 02:26:29,610 --> 02:26:33,510 omission omission. Excuse me. Yeah. So, um, you want to hear 2222 02:26:33,510 --> 02:26:37,680 more from this is good. It's good. Just go 2223 02:26:38,610 --> 02:26:42,240 even deeper. And I've been saying this for a long time. I 2224 02:26:42,240 --> 02:26:47,400 can't wait for a journalist more savvy than I am to start looking 2225 02:26:47,400 --> 02:26:51,420 into the depth of the playmate paid job. He died of an 2226 02:26:51,420 --> 02:26:58,320 accidental overdose of Yeah, barbiturates, it's something 2227 02:26:59,160 --> 02:27:01,710 something doesn't smell right. And it's coming out of the 2228 02:27:01,710 --> 02:27:03,000 Playboy Mansion. 2229 02:27:03,059 --> 02:27:06,509 Okay, but here's the thing. First of all, there was unlike 2230 02:27:06,509 --> 02:27:09,449 some references to have done what had happened there and Bill 2231 02:27:09,449 --> 02:27:13,649 Cosby and then Hefner somehow definitely steered the publicity 2232 02:27:13,649 --> 02:27:17,549 away from there, away from the mansion. But secondly, just 2233 02:27:17,549 --> 02:27:20,819 because people were taking qualys in the 70s, at the 2234 02:27:20,819 --> 02:27:23,339 Playboy Mansion, is an avatar certainly 2235 02:27:23,340 --> 02:27:30,360 was. I was taking Kwame ludes in the 70s. So I have no doubt that 2236 02:27:30,420 --> 02:27:35,340 these quote unquote fire openers, were probably at one 2237 02:27:35,340 --> 02:27:40,200 time Bill Cosby's, knockout drug of choice. 2238 02:27:40,409 --> 02:27:44,429 But it's interesting theory. But I mean, you know, the idea that 2239 02:27:44,489 --> 02:27:48,209 you automatically Can I mean, in criminal law, you can't 2240 02:27:48,209 --> 02:27:51,119 associate the fact that he purchased preludes with the fact 2241 02:27:51,119 --> 02:27:54,479 that these women were given them in voluntarily. I mean, I think 2242 02:27:54,479 --> 02:27:57,839 that's the missing link from the reports that we're seeing on 2243 02:27:57,839 --> 02:28:01,529 Cosby and and the idea that he said in the deposition that he 2244 02:28:01,529 --> 02:28:04,349 used them, and he used them with women to have sex isn't the same 2245 02:28:04,349 --> 02:28:06,989 as an admission that he gave them to them without their 2246 02:28:06,989 --> 02:28:07,529 consent. 2247 02:28:08,940 --> 02:28:12,360 No, yeah, the page young thing. I remember looking at this, that 2248 02:28:12,360 --> 02:28:15,960 would mean she overdosed and I think she she shot herself in 2249 02:28:15,960 --> 02:28:20,730 the head and won an American flag with a pentagram, you know, 2250 02:28:20,730 --> 02:28:23,850 all kinds of weird stuff. And like Hugh Hefner is the devil. 2251 02:28:23,880 --> 02:28:25,800 That was that was her parting shot. 2252 02:28:32,460 --> 02:28:38,760 Why, how's it been able to steer the tissue away from him? I 2253 02:28:38,760 --> 02:28:39,810 don't look over here. 2254 02:28:40,260 --> 02:28:43,740 Oh, well, that's easy. Hugh Hefner has the goods on a lot of 2255 02:28:43,740 --> 02:28:46,470 powerful people. But you want 2256 02:28:46,470 --> 02:28:48,720 to he might be the Epstein of his time. 2257 02:28:48,719 --> 02:28:52,709 Yeah, exactly. You want to you want to screw with half? No, 2258 02:28:52,709 --> 02:28:54,329 that's not I was not a good idea. 2259 02:28:55,260 --> 02:28:57,630 Well, there's something deeper there we have but we're gonna 2260 02:28:57,630 --> 02:29:03,570 get to it. Um, so we got Hafner. We got quite loose, aka thought 2261 02:29:03,570 --> 02:29:06,900 openers being passed around like candy. But my question is this. 2262 02:29:07,230 --> 02:29:09,360 Who the hell is still making preludes? 2263 02:29:10,229 --> 02:29:13,799 I don't know if they are, are they still being? He's getting 2264 02:29:13,799 --> 02:29:18,299 them prescribed to them. They're probably under they're probably 2265 02:29:18,839 --> 02:29:20,129 out of patent. So 2266 02:29:20,639 --> 02:29:25,889 in a time where we can't get hydroxychloroquine horseface 2267 02:29:28,319 --> 02:29:32,729 because we can get some daggone vintage Wow, that was a 74 2268 02:29:32,729 --> 02:29:35,189 equate lose all that was a year. Let me get some of those. 2269 02:29:37,229 --> 02:29:41,369 I have never, never had equate lewd. So I really wouldn't know. 2270 02:29:41,700 --> 02:29:45,030 What I'm saying is who's making them? They always want to stop 2271 02:29:45,030 --> 02:29:48,570 it bill. Okay, who wrote the prescription notice on the bill 2272 02:29:48,570 --> 02:29:52,650 scavi side on the Michael Jackson side. Well, 2273 02:29:52,649 --> 02:29:56,939 this is an interesting right is an interesting article here. 2274 02:29:56,939 --> 02:30:00,629 I'll put in the show notes from the BBC titled The ride In fall 2275 02:30:00,629 --> 02:30:05,429 of a ludes, which is actually a trade name, it's a methaqualone 2276 02:30:05,429 --> 02:30:10,499 is the actual drug first synthesizer in 1951. In India, 2277 02:30:11,099 --> 02:30:14,459 Germany and Japan were the first big markets where the drug 2278 02:30:14,459 --> 02:30:17,549 racked up an extensive record of addiction and abuse in the UK, 2279 02:30:17,549 --> 02:30:22,319 it was known as man Drax, a name still used in South Africa. The 2280 02:30:22,319 --> 02:30:25,349 doctors were essentially giving him out like candy says Justin 2281 02:30:25,349 --> 02:30:28,709 gas author of the book about the drug, it was very easy to obtain 2282 02:30:28,709 --> 02:30:32,099 Quaaludes in the mid to late 70s and early 80s. 2283 02:30:33,000 --> 02:30:36,390 And one a pop culture his most famous quotes, and none 2284 02:30:36,390 --> 02:30:40,980 acquerello you love me in the morning? What was Scarface 2285 02:30:40,980 --> 02:30:47,700 really saying, right? These things that make you say, huh, 2286 02:30:49,410 --> 02:30:51,090 and now everybody Oh, 2287 02:30:51,090 --> 02:30:53,670 I know. So then it became rope rueful? 2288 02:30:54,750 --> 02:31:00,390 Oh, yeah. roofie Yeah. Which is another problematic drug who's 2289 02:31:00,390 --> 02:31:05,160 making me stuff I guess. with Michael jack. Since we know the 2290 02:31:05,160 --> 02:31:10,650 doctor who gave it to me, nobody except this guy. Abner even 2291 02:31:10,650 --> 02:31:13,290 mentions the name of the doctor. Right. Okay, now we have the 2292 02:31:13,290 --> 02:31:17,370 doctor who still manufacturing these thought openers. Is that 2293 02:31:17,370 --> 02:31:24,030 clear? I mean, in in, in the scope of how we see medical and 2294 02:31:24,030 --> 02:31:28,500 pharmaceuticals now, how they can deem something is bad. 2295 02:31:29,309 --> 02:31:32,099 Well know that it's only bad when they can't make a lot of 2296 02:31:32,099 --> 02:31:35,129 money on it because they don't have the patent. You see 2297 02:31:36,000 --> 02:31:38,610 what I'm saying? Like, Bill Cosby wasn't the only one 2298 02:31:38,610 --> 02:31:42,000 getting like, whipping up a special batch for or maybe they 2299 02:31:42,000 --> 02:31:45,180 weren't maybe at that much money like, hey, I need you to fire 2300 02:31:45,180 --> 02:31:50,160 the machines. It's gonna be a busy weekend. But just to show 2301 02:31:50,160 --> 02:31:57,360 you a Bill Cosby's connection with a black celebrity and then 2302 02:31:57,720 --> 02:32:00,420 his connection with the Playboy Mansion. We have john Salley 2303 02:32:00,420 --> 02:32:04,770 here. Bad Boy fame. Not bad, but the movie but bad boy when he 2304 02:32:04,770 --> 02:32:08,040 wasn't a bad boy, the movie too, but bad boys, Detroit Pistons, 2305 02:32:08,280 --> 02:32:11,790 and the Chicago Bulls famous basketball player. He's gonna 2306 02:32:11,790 --> 02:32:15,150 give his take on Bill Cosby in the Playboy Mansion. 2307 02:32:15,360 --> 02:32:17,940 So you asked me about Bill Cosby. Let me just say this one 2308 02:32:17,940 --> 02:32:28,830 thing about Bill Cosby. I don't know. I miss doc. And he taught 2309 02:32:28,830 --> 02:32:31,230 me a lot of things. He always had wise things to say he's 2310 02:32:31,230 --> 02:32:36,300 like, Yeah, man, I really became really cool with him in 1989. 2311 02:32:36,330 --> 02:32:38,790 We're both on the same fraternity Omega Psi Phi 2312 02:32:38,790 --> 02:32:43,200 Incorporated. And he every year I would see him I'd go to the 2313 02:32:43,230 --> 02:32:47,160 Playboy Jazz Festival. I said, Daddy, give me jewels. And he 2314 02:32:47,160 --> 02:32:49,380 would talk about things talking about thing. He also was 2315 02:32:49,380 --> 02:32:54,210 isolated and put it to a point. And I also know the time of the 2316 02:32:54,210 --> 02:32:57,600 time, they were saying all that was going on. And people want to 2317 02:32:57,600 --> 02:33:00,450 look at his wife. He got kicked out of his house for like two 2318 02:33:00,450 --> 02:33:02,970 years when he was hosting the tonight show for Johnny Carson. 2319 02:33:02,970 --> 02:33:05,670 Johnny was going through his depression. And Bill Cosby was 2320 02:33:05,670 --> 02:33:08,220 hosting the tonight show and live in at the Playboy Mansion. 2321 02:33:09,120 --> 02:33:13,350 I didn't know that. Yeah, so his wife picked him up. Okay, like 2322 02:33:13,350 --> 02:33:16,950 this is the trip when they hit you up with all of this that we 2323 02:33:16,950 --> 02:33:22,950 see now. It has to move fast. And no one does research. And 2324 02:33:22,950 --> 02:33:30,090 they they crucify the and they used the they use what? I'm not 2325 02:33:30,120 --> 02:33:33,060 knowing if he's right or wrong. I'm just telling you, according 2326 02:33:33,060 --> 02:33:36,630 to what time magazine or Newsweek magazine had all the 2327 02:33:36,630 --> 02:33:40,560 women's heads are sitting there. People were yelling out. There 2328 02:33:40,560 --> 02:33:44,610 was a ton of things happening, saying this dude was at this 2329 02:33:44,610 --> 02:33:47,550 point, and he was guilty. And it was at it was going down and 2330 02:33:47,550 --> 02:33:48,120 down and down. 2331 02:33:49,319 --> 02:33:52,079 Wow. living at the Playboy Mansion. 2332 02:33:52,530 --> 02:33:55,740 Oh, hell yeah. Well, Johnny Carson was married 20 times. 2333 02:33:56,520 --> 02:33:59,820 I'm just saying that that doesn't jive well with the image 2334 02:33:59,820 --> 02:34:04,470 of Bill Cosby. No. And this is all news to me. I didn't know he 2335 02:34:04,470 --> 02:34:07,260 was that connected to Bill Cosby until I started going to the 2336 02:34:07,260 --> 02:34:12,240 Playboy Mansion. And he happened to start doing the show research 2337 02:34:12,240 --> 02:34:15,210 for the show. And I and this is not this was not the original 2338 02:34:15,210 --> 02:34:15,780 path. But 2339 02:34:17,069 --> 02:34:19,979 did you watch any of the actual YouTube videos of the Playboy 2340 02:34:19,979 --> 02:34:21,299 after dark with Cosby? 2341 02:34:21,750 --> 02:34:25,200 Well, I didn't watch that. But I do have an ad for the Playboy 2342 02:34:25,200 --> 02:34:30,900 Jazz Fest in 2011. Let me set this up right quick. So Bill, I 2343 02:34:30,900 --> 02:34:34,440 mean half a segment one of his beauties. And Bill is looking 2344 02:34:34,440 --> 02:34:39,930 like a you know he's older now. And he in He's like, well, this 2345 02:34:39,930 --> 02:34:45,060 is a clip so we have q a beautiful woman and Bill and 2346 02:34:45,060 --> 02:34:48,060 listen to the transaction or the conversation you have 2347 02:34:53,850 --> 02:35:00,630 this festival of the Playboy Jazz Festival, June 11 Well, 2348 02:35:01,050 --> 02:35:06,660 your words, what do you know? It will be? It'll be a grand party, 2349 02:35:07,200 --> 02:35:11,700 the party of the year. And unforgettable and the long 2350 02:35:11,700 --> 02:35:16,830 history of jazz. Thank you. My pleasure, Bill. All right. Thank 2351 02:35:16,830 --> 02:35:21,450 you. I wish you had a present for me. Well, I do. You're gonna 2352 02:35:21,780 --> 02:35:27,000 be really surprised. Thank you. My pleasure. Thank you. All 2353 02:35:27,000 --> 02:35:40,740 right. Buhari party. have told me, I was with you. Get it? 2354 02:35:50,219 --> 02:35:51,509 What were we seeing there? 2355 02:35:51,630 --> 02:35:55,200 So basically, that was the president. Yes. So the President 2356 02:35:55,200 --> 02:35:58,410 was he was asking for a girl. Yeah, because I wish you brought 2357 02:35:58,410 --> 02:36:04,470 me a president for you. And then granny comes in, old lady. But 2358 02:36:04,470 --> 02:36:08,400 I'm going to show site how they talk about women. It's like, are 2359 02:36:08,400 --> 02:36:12,510 you gonna present for me? Oh, yeah. That kind of thing. So 2360 02:36:12,690 --> 02:36:22,470 that was 2011. Wait, wait, wait. This No. 2011 Jazz Fest? Real 2361 02:36:22,470 --> 02:36:27,420 YouTube? Yes. Are you sure? on that blurb on the show? Says 2362 02:36:27,420 --> 02:36:32,070 Bill Cosby, Hugh Hefner and playboy made. Crystal McCall. 2363 02:36:32,100 --> 02:36:37,590 Okay, McKay here. McKay he'll talk about the 2011 playboy Jazz 2364 02:36:37,590 --> 02:36:40,620 Fest festival. Granny joins in on the fun deplore. 2365 02:36:41,790 --> 02:36:46,080 The Bachelor guy just got cancelled for for less. You 2366 02:36:46,080 --> 02:36:50,100 know, the news? I'm sorry, the bachelor, the the Jeopardy host 2367 02:36:50,100 --> 02:36:52,980 that the executive producer who is going to host start hosting 2368 02:36:52,980 --> 02:36:57,330 it. And they went back and found some podcasts from from 2010. 2369 02:36:57,930 --> 02:37:02,100 Exactly. We have Hugh Hefner, and Bill Cosby talking about 2370 02:37:02,100 --> 02:37:04,620 presence in 2011. This is 2371 02:37:06,479 --> 02:37:07,169 crazy. 2372 02:37:10,290 --> 02:37:16,650 convenient. But it's still on YouTube. To this day. Wow. Very 2373 02:37:16,650 --> 02:37:22,320 interesting. So that's what money will get you. Right? And 2374 02:37:22,320 --> 02:37:25,380 not even money but you're saying money and power and leverage. 2375 02:37:26,190 --> 02:37:28,290 Speaking of money, we like new money. 2376 02:37:28,350 --> 02:37:30,780 I like brand new money. I just I don't want any money around me. 2377 02:37:30,780 --> 02:37:36,030 It's not I don't want to have a new one than a brand then an old 2378 02:37:36,030 --> 02:37:39,930 20 that's kind of dumb. But there's some bad new money that 2379 02:37:39,930 --> 02:37:46,440 excites you like $100 bills. I like money. most beautiful thing 2380 02:37:46,440 --> 02:37:49,230 on earth is $100 bill. I have seen a woman is good looking as 2381 02:37:49,230 --> 02:37:52,110 $100 bill. There's something about buildings. 2382 02:37:54,479 --> 02:38:00,569 Right. So the new money in me I would say we have we got 2383 02:38:00,569 --> 02:38:04,139 satoshis you can hook us up with you can boost us and one of the 2384 02:38:04,199 --> 02:38:08,789 podcasts in 2.0 apps, new podcast apps, calm streema SATs 2385 02:38:08,789 --> 02:38:11,939 every single minute, you're listening to the show. We also 2386 02:38:11,939 --> 02:38:15,689 love your Fiat fund coupons. And a lot of that is coming in 2387 02:38:15,689 --> 02:38:20,159 through PayPal, and cash app and and now we have a p o box as 2388 02:38:20,159 --> 02:38:22,889 well. So here's the rest of our producer, we're going to read 2389 02:38:22,889 --> 02:38:26,249 out notes up until including $30. And then we'll just match 2390 02:38:26,249 --> 02:38:29,069 up the name with the amounts for the rest. And again, we 2391 02:38:29,069 --> 02:38:31,919 appreciate the value that everybody brought and sticking 2392 02:38:31,919 --> 02:38:37,469 with us bad despite some of the gaps in programming. So $40 from 2393 02:38:37,469 --> 02:38:41,399 Edwin Torres and he would like some gbg we know what that means 2394 02:38:41,399 --> 02:38:45,479 give blacks guns so here we go. We have 2395 02:38:49,170 --> 02:38:52,530 from mo that's all from Don't be a menace to society while 2396 02:38:52,530 --> 02:38:56,250 drinking juice in the hood. One of the one of the most classic 2397 02:38:56,250 --> 02:38:57,150 movies I love it. 2398 02:38:57,209 --> 02:39:02,879 I love it. It's good. Thanks Edwin Ebrahim hobby. 3982 2399 02:39:02,879 --> 02:39:06,509 Thanks, Mona Adam for expanding my brain every time I listen. As 2400 02:39:06,509 --> 02:39:10,319 a black body living in France and coming from a former French 2401 02:39:10,319 --> 02:39:13,619 colony in Africa. Your podcast has shed light on so many 2402 02:39:13,619 --> 02:39:16,919 similarities on our oppression from the colonizers first 2403 02:39:16,919 --> 02:39:20,339 donation more to come please and the undead beat me we call the 2404 02:39:20,339 --> 02:39:25,379 dead beating. Keep up the good work Abraham. Congratulation, 2405 02:39:25,799 --> 02:39:30,119 you're no longer dead be like hearing that. That's 2406 02:39:30,119 --> 02:39:34,169 interesting. That's very interesting. Keep coming Abraham 2407 02:39:34,169 --> 02:39:39,089 Sam of the bear grass 3633 and says after listening to the last 2408 02:39:39,089 --> 02:39:42,929 three episodes and experiencing in real time, the hidden or the 2409 02:39:42,929 --> 02:39:45,779 sudden forced muzzling of children as young as two years 2410 02:39:45,779 --> 02:39:50,459 old for the next 270 days where I live. One thing is painfully 2411 02:39:50,459 --> 02:39:53,849 clear. All of this abuse is directed primarily at the youth 2412 02:39:53,849 --> 02:39:57,089 can I please have some mo karma for all the kids out there and 2413 02:39:57,089 --> 02:39:59,789 anything else you think would help? Well, Mo karma always 2414 02:39:59,789 --> 02:40:08,519 does. Just do one dodge Gaskill comes into because I think he's 2415 02:40:08,519 --> 02:40:14,879 on a self installed subscription per show and so we appreciate 2416 02:40:14,879 --> 02:40:19,889 the two donations of 3333 which he says great podcast once again 2417 02:40:19,889 --> 02:40:23,249 and go podcasting and we thank you for that very much. Benjamin 2418 02:40:23,249 --> 02:40:27,449 Bateman. 3333 keep doing the work stay safe, he says Greg 2419 02:40:27,449 --> 02:40:31,319 Wheeler jr 3333 truly appreciate your honest well researched and 2420 02:40:31,319 --> 02:40:35,009 invaluable conversations you and Adam are essential voices in our 2421 02:40:35,009 --> 02:40:38,759 world and give human resources like myself cope and the peace 2422 02:40:38,759 --> 02:40:41,459 of mind that I'm not alone in my thoughts from the bottom of my 2423 02:40:41,459 --> 02:40:44,579 heart Thank you Love you guys this my first donation I'm 2424 02:40:44,579 --> 02:40:47,909 grateful for the opportunity to contribute as I really 2425 02:40:47,909 --> 02:40:50,939 appreciate the absence of sponsors and agendas yes it's 2426 02:40:50,939 --> 02:40:54,239 value for value thank you again for all you do for both of you 2427 02:40:54,239 --> 02:40:54,659 are doing 2428 02:40:55,199 --> 02:40:58,559 he didn't ask to be D debit it so I didn't make me just 2429 02:40:58,559 --> 02:41:05,459 do it anyway. Might as well. You're no longer a deadbeat 2430 02:41:05,489 --> 02:41:08,369 because he's not so he might as well get it. And Michael 2431 02:41:08,369 --> 02:41:11,789 awesome. Also no longer a deadbeat once a D dead meeting. 2432 02:41:12,239 --> 02:41:18,989 Congratulation. You're no longer dead be with 3333 trusted 2433 02:41:18,989 --> 02:41:22,529 influencer with 3333. Mon item. Thank you with a couple of 2434 02:41:22,529 --> 02:41:25,529 emojis that translated weirdly on my spreadsheet. I'm sure it 2435 02:41:25,529 --> 02:41:30,809 was waving hands. Tiffany Hewitt, $30 dmo and Adam, thank 2436 02:41:30,809 --> 02:41:33,119 you for all the great information you provide. This 2437 02:41:33,119 --> 02:41:36,179 show is one of a kind, no jingles, no karma. But I'd like 2438 02:41:36,179 --> 02:41:39,989 to give a shout out to my smokin hot boyfriend Greg who has had a 2439 02:41:39,989 --> 02:41:42,869 birthday on July 30 and introduced me to this amazing 2440 02:41:42,869 --> 02:41:46,379 show. Sorry about the the tardiness. Happy birthday, Greg. 2441 02:41:46,409 --> 02:41:49,739 You're the best thing that ever happened to me. Edwin Torres 2442 02:41:49,739 --> 02:41:59,369 $30. He's rownum old donor and he wants a gbg we have and he 2443 02:41:59,369 --> 02:42:03,719 came in twice again on a self imposed repeating schedule where 2444 02:42:03,719 --> 02:42:07,679 he asked for the the gbg we just got that for you. And he says 2445 02:42:07,679 --> 02:42:12,239 new money is a weed Indeed it is. And then our final note that 2446 02:42:12,239 --> 02:42:15,869 we're going to read out from Shannon Shelton, also $30 mo 2447 02:42:15,899 --> 02:42:18,179 first want to thank you for the show. I've learned so much 2448 02:42:18,299 --> 02:42:20,819 because your perspective is challenged what I thought I knew 2449 02:42:21,239 --> 02:42:26,189 as a rural white Christian, aka public enemy number one. I've 2450 02:42:26,189 --> 02:42:30,089 always that's all a matter of perspective. I've always taught 2451 02:42:30,089 --> 02:42:32,969 my kids that God sees everyone equally skin color doesn't 2452 02:42:32,969 --> 02:42:36,719 matter. Different people have different cultures and not and 2453 02:42:36,719 --> 02:42:39,839 not understanding someone's culture is not racism, we just 2454 02:42:39,839 --> 02:42:42,929 need to listen and try to understand. After my friend 2455 02:42:42,929 --> 02:42:46,679 while married to her husband, black and we all got together, I 2456 02:42:46,679 --> 02:42:49,409 could hear him tell his mom to stop acting black around the 2457 02:42:49,409 --> 02:42:52,589 white people. I was shocked. I don't have many black friends 2458 02:42:52,589 --> 02:42:55,859 and she's fantastic made me sad that he felt like they had to 2459 02:42:55,859 --> 02:42:59,039 act differently around us. I'm thrilled to hear you and Adam 2460 02:42:59,039 --> 02:43:02,309 have real conversations about real topics and that you don't 2461 02:43:02,309 --> 02:43:08,309 self censor. Second whap one and two killed me. I know that girls 2462 02:43:08,309 --> 02:43:11,339 are taught their bodies can be on display and guys should shut 2463 02:43:11,339 --> 02:43:13,439 up and other women should be supportive in their dressing 2464 02:43:13,439 --> 02:43:17,189 like street workers or else. I've often spoken out against 2465 02:43:17,189 --> 02:43:20,699 this insanity, but it feels like it has little to no effect. Mean 2466 02:43:20,699 --> 02:43:23,489 Girls are real and until parents really get a grip on teaching 2467 02:43:23,489 --> 02:43:26,609 their children real values instead of allowing Instagram 2468 02:43:26,609 --> 02:43:30,089 tik tok and YouTube to program them. It'll be an uphill battle. 2469 02:43:30,209 --> 02:43:34,109 It is a battle whoever I'm one that I'm willing can continue to 2470 02:43:34,109 --> 02:43:37,799 fight until God takes me home. Thank you again, Shannon. Thank 2471 02:43:37,799 --> 02:43:40,709 you. Great note. Fantastic. Nope. 2472 02:43:40,770 --> 02:43:44,070 I think she's dead beating as well. If I'm not mistaken, 2473 02:43:44,069 --> 02:43:49,409 she's getting it. Congratulations. You're no 2474 02:43:49,409 --> 02:43:56,699 longer a deadbeat. And, excuse me. Just for time sake. We're 2475 02:43:56,699 --> 02:44:01,259 going to start reading the notes under the 30 level. But we will 2476 02:44:01,259 --> 02:44:07,139 of course thank everybody at the 20s we see mo Fanta Maureen we 2477 02:44:07,139 --> 02:44:14,069 see a rienne phirni Paul e lavado. Robert De Dunbar Susan 2478 02:44:14,069 --> 02:44:19,739 till it and shazier Shay she was here. And then we and we have 2479 02:44:19,769 --> 02:44:25,529 1892 from G McDonald and then at $10 there we thank Christopher 2480 02:44:25,529 --> 02:44:30,689 Lata Terence Trent chef Elvis Rosenberg, Michael Hannah, 2481 02:44:30,839 --> 02:44:37,589 Andrea Dame digital frequency records. Charles A Vonda Zonda, 2482 02:44:37,919 --> 02:44:42,089 Andrea, again with $10 Thank you, Andrea for your weeklies or 2483 02:44:42,119 --> 02:44:47,849 Shirley's then David Aquaman. At $9 Terry Keller with 822 Timothy 2484 02:44:47,849 --> 02:44:52,169 vit Tophane with 811. And finally, we wind up with Vinson 2485 02:44:52,169 --> 02:44:55,169 Ferro with 555. And I think 2486 02:44:55,170 --> 02:44:58,980 I think you may have missed two people. Okay, please. Yeah, I 2487 02:44:58,980 --> 02:45:02,220 want to make sure because I Yeah, go for it. Everybody value 2488 02:45:02,220 --> 02:45:08,880 value matters and that grant convy kind of a 25 and Clinton 2489 02:45:08,970 --> 02:45:10,890 at 23 Oh, I'm 2490 02:45:10,890 --> 02:45:13,500 sorry about that. Yeah, you're right. I did miss. Yes, that was 2491 02:45:13,500 --> 02:45:14,250 a scroll problem. 2492 02:45:14,280 --> 02:45:16,860 Okay, I know you're you're wanting this to slip so you can 2493 02:45:16,860 --> 02:45:21,990 make it to the next show. Got you speaking of gotcha, it's 2494 02:45:21,990 --> 02:45:23,910 time to start calling out the deadbeats. 2495 02:45:25,170 --> 02:45:28,020 Yeah, exactly. We do need to do some of that. 2496 02:45:28,050 --> 02:45:31,710 Yeah, we've been nice as far as you know that you being your 2497 02:45:31,710 --> 02:45:35,040 ears, but deadbeats have to be caught out and we don't call you 2498 02:45:39,000 --> 02:45:43,440 and I even got a special jingle for you to be called out. So if 2499 02:45:43,440 --> 02:45:47,160 you know people that are dead beating make them feel good 2500 02:45:47,160 --> 02:45:48,450 about themselves by calling them out. 2501 02:45:49,830 --> 02:45:52,950 And we thank all these producers and again our executive and 2502 02:45:52,950 --> 02:45:56,550 associate executive producer for Episode 65 of mo facts with Adam 2503 02:45:56,550 --> 02:46:00,090 Curry. Thank you again, keep boosting us use those new apps 2504 02:46:00,090 --> 02:46:04,170 new podcast apps calm and become part of the future with bitcoins 2505 02:46:04,200 --> 02:46:09,120 on splash and SATs everywhere. And your your dollars your Fiat 2506 02:46:09,120 --> 02:46:12,540 fun coupons your caique bucks all welcome at mo factor calm 2507 02:46:12,540 --> 02:46:16,740 direct to our donation page at mo funmi.com. Thank you all very 2508 02:46:16,740 --> 02:46:17,250 much. 2509 02:46:19,139 --> 02:46:23,009 So now we've made the connection with Bill Cosby in the Playboy 2510 02:46:23,009 --> 02:46:27,119 Mansion and Hugh Hefner. We got to look and see how America 2511 02:46:27,149 --> 02:46:32,039 remembered the complicated legacy of Hugh Hefner 2512 02:46:32,249 --> 02:46:35,279 remembering the very influential life of Hugh Hefner. 2513 02:46:35,550 --> 02:46:40,020 He made his network television debut in 1956, on CBS speaking 2514 02:46:40,020 --> 02:46:44,040 to Mike Wallace, who defended the image of Playboy magazine. 2515 02:46:45,330 --> 02:46:49,980 Sex always will be an important part of the book. Because sex is 2516 02:46:50,550 --> 02:46:52,290 probably the single thing that 2517 02:46:54,000 --> 02:46:56,190 men are most interested in all of this I think that you will 2518 02:46:56,190 --> 02:46:59,580 agree it's a sniggering kind of sex. It's a less serious kind of 2519 02:46:59,580 --> 02:47:02,730 sex. It certainly isn't a healthy approach to sexy women 2520 02:47:02,730 --> 02:47:05,370 just that it is. I would suggest that I would say rather 2521 02:47:05,370 --> 02:47:06,480 strongly, we considered a pretty 2522 02:47:08,130 --> 02:47:12,480 well, by the 1970s, playboy had more than 7 million readers. 2523 02:47:12,480 --> 02:47:15,300 Wow. And Hefner was certainly a household name. He built an 2524 02:47:15,330 --> 02:47:18,750 empire on the simple idea that sex is important to people for 2525 02:47:18,750 --> 02:47:22,020 this from Los Angeles. Matt, is Matt bellinis, editorial 2526 02:47:22,020 --> 02:47:24,000 director of The Hollywood Reporter. Good morning to you, 2527 02:47:24,000 --> 02:47:27,090 Matt. Good morning. Well, he certainly changed the magazine 2528 02:47:27,090 --> 02:47:30,120 culture, he changed the American sex culture, if you will. But 2529 02:47:30,120 --> 02:47:32,460 that came with some controversy. Back in the day, there were a 2530 02:47:32,460 --> 02:47:35,910 lot of protests about how women were portrayed in the magazine. 2531 02:47:36,120 --> 02:47:39,150 What are the critics say today about the legacy that he's left? 2532 02:47:39,630 --> 02:47:43,320 I think it's a very complicated legacy. Because on the one hand, 2533 02:47:43,410 --> 02:47:47,250 playboy was criticized It was the first major mainstream 2534 02:47:47,250 --> 02:47:51,780 magazine to feature nude women. And it was in the context of 2535 02:47:51,990 --> 02:47:55,410 politics and lifestyle and all these other things, but it was 2536 02:47:55,410 --> 02:47:58,560 essentially a naked women magazine. And, you know, people 2537 02:47:58,560 --> 02:48:02,070 like Gloria Steinem at the time, very opposed, said playboy could 2538 02:48:02,070 --> 02:48:08,940 fill a book with what it doesn't know about women. Gloria Steinem 2539 02:48:08,940 --> 02:48:09,150 one 2540 02:48:09,150 --> 02:48:13,680 of our friends, from many, many, many episodes of mo facts, 2541 02:48:13,800 --> 02:48:19,530 yes. Gloria Steinem was backed by the CIA to be placed into 17 2542 02:48:19,530 --> 02:48:20,220 magazines, he 2543 02:48:20,220 --> 02:48:22,980 reported to the CIA. I mean, she was 2544 02:48:22,979 --> 02:48:29,489 CIA. Right? So if that case, who's to say that Hugh Hefner 2545 02:48:29,489 --> 02:48:35,219 wasn't CIA, because he didn't make his debut as as the 2546 02:48:35,219 --> 02:48:40,469 commentator said on CBS. What do you call CBS Central 2547 02:48:40,470 --> 02:48:42,330 Intelligence broadcasting system? 2548 02:48:42,690 --> 02:48:48,570 And guess who Hugh Hefner's cousin is? George Bush? You're 2549 02:48:48,570 --> 02:48:53,100 kidding me? I kid you not there's a article. You can put 2550 02:48:53,100 --> 02:48:54,120 it in the show notes. 2551 02:48:55,979 --> 02:49:02,549 Yes, Hafner. Odd cousin. Yes. So now we have these two people 2552 02:49:02,549 --> 02:49:06,839 popping up with magazines around about the same time, splits 2553 02:49:06,839 --> 02:49:12,479 floor and sexuality, women's sexuality. And I just find it 2554 02:49:12,479 --> 02:49:17,879 fascinating that um, we have Gloria Steinem, commenting on 2555 02:49:18,929 --> 02:49:22,469 Hugh Hefner, and who have nerves remembered as a complicated 2556 02:49:22,469 --> 02:49:28,649 legacy. Now he's been known to have spread around his own share 2557 02:49:28,649 --> 02:49:35,069 of thigh openers. No big deal. You understand? Now you 2558 02:49:35,069 --> 02:49:36,989 understand where you are? 2559 02:49:37,050 --> 02:49:41,400 Right? Right. But again, but again, if he was indeed a kind 2560 02:49:41,400 --> 02:49:44,880 of Epstein, and he had the goods on everybody, he had big 2561 02:49:44,880 --> 02:49:49,860 protection. So and you're really convincing me that Hefner may 2562 02:49:49,860 --> 02:49:53,460 have had that kind of role. So yes, yes, I agree. I agree what 2563 02:49:53,460 --> 02:49:55,890 you're saying. Yes, but I'm 2564 02:49:55,889 --> 02:49:58,499 just saying that on the surface level, yeah. On the surface 2565 02:49:58,499 --> 02:50:03,329 level. Yeah. You hear the news. stories and bills, block mount, 2566 02:50:03,359 --> 02:50:08,339 you know, saying doing a three to 10 the river and a smoking 2567 02:50:08,339 --> 02:50:11,909 jacket. You say flanked by three beautiful blondes. That's right. 2568 02:50:11,909 --> 02:50:13,589 How's that workout? Well, it 2569 02:50:13,590 --> 02:50:15,780 was pretty good. Pretty good for the white guy. 2570 02:50:16,350 --> 02:50:22,200 Hey, sounds like it. Let's continue on with Hugh Hefner's 2571 02:50:22,230 --> 02:50:23,970 complicated legacy. But on 2572 02:50:23,969 --> 02:50:27,419 the other hand, it was filled with progressive politics. And 2573 02:50:27,419 --> 02:50:30,179 it was, you know, one of the few magazines that they interviewed 2574 02:50:30,179 --> 02:50:33,569 MLK, and they interviewed Muhammad Ali. And they did a lot 2575 02:50:33,569 --> 02:50:36,929 of articles that were very progressive in the politics. 2576 02:50:36,929 --> 02:50:39,629 They were pro choice at a time when not many outlets were 2577 02:50:39,629 --> 02:50:43,709 openly so and they were very pro First Amendment and these causes 2578 02:50:43,709 --> 02:50:47,549 that the culture sort of caught up to but playboy was doing it 2579 02:50:47,549 --> 02:50:51,479 at a time in the in the 50s 60s 70s when it wasn't that 2580 02:50:51,839 --> 02:50:55,949 accepted from big national magazines like that. When I was 2581 02:50:55,949 --> 02:50:58,019 growing up, there were two magazines you collected. One was 2582 02:50:58,019 --> 02:51:01,439 playboy and the other was the National Geographic. Two very 2583 02:51:01,439 --> 02:51:05,279 different very matte and what happens going forward we 2584 02:51:05,280 --> 02:51:07,650 know that his son Cooper is going to be taking over the 2585 02:51:07,650 --> 02:51:11,940 magazine the circulation has dropped significantly, as have 2586 02:51:11,940 --> 02:51:15,900 many industry magazines as well. How does the magazine and the 2587 02:51:15,900 --> 02:51:17,790 brand go forward in the digital age? 2588 02:51:18,239 --> 02:51:22,529 It's a tough road. Recently, Cooper Hafner, Houston has 2589 02:51:22,529 --> 02:51:26,969 assumed control of the brand. But the magazine, they have gone 2590 02:51:26,969 --> 02:51:29,819 through a rocky tenure with multiple editors, they got rid 2591 02:51:29,819 --> 02:51:33,299 of new pictures, then they brought them back. They have a 2592 02:51:33,299 --> 02:51:36,599 very lucrative licensing business with the Playboy brand 2593 02:51:36,599 --> 02:51:40,259 is very meaningful around the world. But in the US, they 2594 02:51:40,259 --> 02:51:43,619 really have struggled and the culture has sort of gone beyond 2595 02:51:43,619 --> 02:51:47,399 playboy, they have to figure out a way to make the Playboy brand 2596 02:51:47,459 --> 02:51:50,759 relevant in today's media and cultural environment. 2597 02:51:51,239 --> 02:51:54,569 Of course everyone will remember that iconic Playboy bunny down 2598 02:51:54,569 --> 02:52:00,299 did right, Matt, thank you so much. Thank you. Okay, yes, two 2599 02:52:00,299 --> 02:52:05,519 things one. I think that's Charlie Rose who was Oh, Charlie 2600 02:52:05,519 --> 02:52:09,419 loves history. Right? So you know, Charlie, Charlie, he got 2601 02:52:09,419 --> 02:52:13,499 his own take down at the only you know, and with the with 2602 02:52:13,499 --> 02:52:17,909 white man, it's always like he's he's a sad pathetic old man 2603 02:52:17,939 --> 02:52:22,769 holding his used his robe open in front of young girls. His own 2604 02:52:22,769 --> 02:52:25,049 separate type of takedown. But what I thought interesting was 2605 02:52:25,049 --> 02:52:27,959 he said something there that I'd like to know your perspective 2606 02:52:27,959 --> 02:52:31,259 on. He said, when I was a kid, we saved two kinds of magazines, 2607 02:52:31,409 --> 02:52:34,709 Playboy magazine, and National Geographic to which all the 2608 02:52:34,739 --> 02:52:37,949 female hosts on the show go haha, it's a very different 2609 02:52:37,949 --> 02:52:41,519 kind. But I know what I know what Charlie meant. And I'm 2610 02:52:41,519 --> 02:52:46,919 curious if this was for you. We like National Geographic for a 2611 02:52:46,919 --> 02:52:51,089 short time I'm talking Yeah, we're like 12 love. Yeah. 2612 02:52:51,089 --> 02:52:56,309 Because Because you see boobies. They were boobs in that thing, 2613 02:52:56,309 --> 02:53:00,209 baby. That's why, and they were all black boobs to which and but 2614 02:53:00,329 --> 02:53:03,689 that never mattered to brown boobs. Right? There were no 2615 02:53:03,689 --> 02:53:07,259 white boobs in the magazine. But we were just as interested in 2616 02:53:07,259 --> 02:53:10,109 the boobs no matter what the color they were just just saying 2617 02:53:10,289 --> 02:53:18,719 and not discussed. The fact of American male pubescens 2618 02:53:19,350 --> 02:53:21,810 you gave me insight on that, because I was wondering who 2619 02:53:21,810 --> 02:53:24,390 claimed National Geographic I thought he was gonna say like 2620 02:53:24,390 --> 02:53:27,450 Mad Magazine or something like that. But when you say the movie 2621 02:53:27,450 --> 02:53:31,440 part, I do agree. That was the first thing you try to find when 2622 02:53:31,440 --> 02:53:33,810 you went to the doctor's office. Exactly. 2623 02:53:34,259 --> 02:53:39,089 Exactly. But no, but notice that that was exciting for the white 2624 02:53:39,089 --> 02:53:43,109 boys, as well as the black and brown boys, no matter and even 2625 02:53:43,109 --> 02:53:45,209 though all the all the boobs were of color. 2626 02:53:45,930 --> 02:53:48,540 And let's take it out black and white for a minute. Let's just 2627 02:53:48,540 --> 02:53:54,180 go to half an hour versus a Larry Flynt. I believe his name 2628 02:53:54,180 --> 02:53:58,230 is muscular. Yep. I had a very hard time with the government. 2629 02:53:58,740 --> 02:54:03,840 Oh, I do a similar thing much worse than Hugh Hefner. So why, 2630 02:54:03,870 --> 02:54:06,720 why? I mean, it's kind of like the Polanski thing it's like why 2631 02:54:06,750 --> 02:54:10,110 why certain people have a hard time and then other people have 2632 02:54:11,220 --> 02:54:14,220 get it get a pass. But this is not good. I didn't want to bring 2633 02:54:14,220 --> 02:54:18,900 that up as this as a passing comment. But now we got to go 2634 02:54:18,900 --> 02:54:21,720 look at the rabbit. So we're going over to the art of 2635 02:54:21,720 --> 02:54:23,580 awakening the Renaissance where we get 2636 02:54:26,040 --> 02:54:29,040 the recall this is this is the real power of Playboy. Is this 2637 02:54:29,040 --> 02:54:31,830 branding? I'm sure I'm sure. Okay, 2638 02:54:32,219 --> 02:54:34,979 the rabbit Totem spirit. No, 2639 02:54:34,979 --> 02:54:38,429 this is Christy with spirit animal Oracle. And today I'd 2640 02:54:38,429 --> 02:54:41,309 like to talk a little bit about the spirit meeting of rabbit. 2641 02:54:41,819 --> 02:54:44,909 Rabbits even though it's a pretty small we think it's a 2642 02:54:44,909 --> 02:54:48,809 weak animal. It is actually a computer an incredibly powerful 2643 02:54:48,809 --> 02:54:53,009 spirit animal, and it has an abundance of meanings. And 2644 02:54:53,729 --> 02:54:57,659 speaking of abundance, abundance is actually one of rabbits 2645 02:54:57,689 --> 02:55:01,679 biggest magic powers. I guess you can Say, you know if you've 2646 02:55:01,679 --> 02:55:04,649 ever been out in the country in the springtime, you've seen the 2647 02:55:04,649 --> 02:55:07,199 baby rabbits kind of popping like popcorn right out of the 2648 02:55:07,199 --> 02:55:11,639 hedges. They just like you they know how to reproduce. And 2649 02:55:11,639 --> 02:55:14,339 they're legendary for it. And this is a really actually, there 2650 02:55:14,339 --> 02:55:19,649 was a scientific study done by somebody at Miami University. 2651 02:55:19,889 --> 02:55:22,589 And they estimated they, they just kind of did the math on 2652 02:55:22,619 --> 02:55:27,149 rabbits. And their estimate was that at average rates of 2653 02:55:27,149 --> 02:55:30,869 reproduction, if there was no disease, or predation or 2654 02:55:30,869 --> 02:55:34,259 anything, a single mother rabbit, and her female babies 2655 02:55:35,069 --> 02:55:40,049 could produce over 187 billion offspring in seven years. 2656 02:55:40,649 --> 02:55:45,299 Rabbits, well, there's a reason they multiply so fast because 2657 02:55:45,329 --> 02:55:49,859 their prey a lot of things depend on rabbit. And because 2658 02:55:49,859 --> 02:55:53,099 they are prey, that really brings up some of the other 2659 02:55:53,099 --> 02:55:58,619 spiritual associations that rabbit has. sensitivity is one, 2660 02:55:59,729 --> 02:56:02,639 then we're going to look at fear and fear is a huge one for 2661 02:56:02,639 --> 02:56:07,169 rabbit. So if you're a rabbit person, you're probably gonna be 2662 02:56:07,559 --> 02:56:10,559 challenged by fear. You're gonna have a lot of fear stuff coming 2663 02:56:10,559 --> 02:56:12,269 up to fears to overcome and so forth. 2664 02:56:13,440 --> 02:56:17,280 Oh, wow. I never even thought about the rabbits place in the 2665 02:56:17,280 --> 02:56:21,000 world. But he's basically lunch. Food. Yes, that's that's his 2666 02:56:21,000 --> 02:56:25,740 entire job. look pretty cute. Be innocent and be food. Sounds 2667 02:56:25,740 --> 02:56:26,280 like a Playboy 2668 02:56:26,280 --> 02:56:31,470 Bunny and to me, um, but if you look at it and say, okay, 2669 02:56:31,530 --> 02:56:39,720 rabbit, white rabbit goes to Alice in Wonderland. Going down, 2670 02:56:39,750 --> 02:56:45,390 you know, going down in the rabbit hole. So are you familiar 2671 02:56:45,390 --> 02:56:46,860 with gray slick? 2672 02:56:47,190 --> 02:56:51,900 I know gray slick a. I've met her I've hung out with her and 2673 02:56:51,900 --> 02:56:53,100 her daughter, China. 2674 02:56:53,789 --> 02:56:57,029 Okay, so are you aware of their song? The White Rabbit? 2675 02:56:57,780 --> 02:56:59,670 Yes, of course. With 2676 02:57:01,950 --> 02:57:04,590 the gray slick break now of white rabbit. 2677 02:57:07,080 --> 02:57:09,180 We were talking about something that was going on at the time. 2678 02:57:09,180 --> 02:57:14,010 We liked it. We had a good time. But we were not saying why don't 2679 02:57:14,010 --> 02:57:17,370 you guys all go out and take drugs. The only song that talks 2680 02:57:17,370 --> 02:57:20,550 about drugs is first Jefferson Starship or airplane was mine, 2681 02:57:20,550 --> 02:57:25,230 it was called White Rabbit. And all it was doing was letting my 2682 02:57:25,230 --> 02:57:28,350 parents and everybody's parents know that they have been reading 2683 02:57:28,350 --> 02:57:33,540 us books. Written by British author authors, the British had 2684 02:57:34,110 --> 02:57:38,940 control over the Far East, Middle East. And they had found 2685 02:57:38,940 --> 02:57:43,980 new drugs, which the writers took and then wrote about Alice 2686 02:57:43,980 --> 02:57:46,890 in Wonderland sitting on a psychedelic mushroom, there is a 2687 02:57:47,760 --> 02:57:51,150 worm that is going to turn into a butterfly who hands her a 2688 02:57:51,150 --> 02:57:55,350 piece of this mushroom. And she gets literally Hi, she grows. 2689 02:57:55,350 --> 02:57:59,700 And so the parents were down on us for taking drugs. So I was 2690 02:57:59,700 --> 02:58:01,500 just saying, Look, you've been reading and strength books for 2691 02:58:01,740 --> 02:58:06,390 Peter Pan, sprinkled some white dust all over everybody. So all 2692 02:58:06,390 --> 02:58:11,160 of these, the British writers mainly come to America yet or we 2693 02:58:11,280 --> 02:58:15,990 hear something. We're talking about how your life will be 2694 02:58:15,990 --> 02:58:17,640 better if you take a chemical. 2695 02:58:20,309 --> 02:58:25,469 Like quite loose. Yeah. So in the White Rabbit lyrics, there 2696 02:58:25,859 --> 02:58:28,529 was really a couple of lyrics to use. And if you go chasing 2697 02:58:28,529 --> 02:58:32,969 rabbits, or you know you're going to fall, that's one lyric 2698 02:58:32,969 --> 02:58:36,689 of it. And then she goes down and says when logic and 2699 02:58:36,689 --> 02:58:41,519 proportion have fallen dead, and the white knight is take talking 2700 02:58:41,519 --> 02:58:47,279 backwards in the Red Queen offered her head Red Queen, then 2701 02:58:47,279 --> 02:58:52,679 that may be a stretch but what it says is I believe playboy and 2702 02:58:52,679 --> 02:58:55,709 all these things were set up to get rid of logic proportioning 2703 02:58:55,769 --> 02:59:00,449 math is racist. Once you get rid of all of these things and get 2704 02:59:00,449 --> 02:59:04,439 people in a emotional state like they're doing now. Like she was 2705 02:59:04,439 --> 02:59:08,219 saying, use drugs, get kids hooked on drugs. We have a drug 2706 02:59:08,219 --> 02:59:11,489 epidemic going on right now, on that nobody's talking about with 2707 02:59:11,489 --> 02:59:15,089 fentanyl. I mean, maybe even rivals cracked and you know, the 2708 02:59:15,119 --> 02:59:19,409 heroin under 70 of the 70s I think these kinds of things 2709 02:59:19,409 --> 02:59:24,839 Gloria Steinem 17 magazine feminism, they were what I think 2710 02:59:24,839 --> 02:59:31,439 people underestimate magazines, first of all, magazines, and you 2711 02:59:31,439 --> 02:59:35,129 could speak more to this. But I know I was at the very end of 2712 02:59:35,129 --> 02:59:39,419 magazines, bye bye for the life of magazines. That is something 2713 02:59:39,419 --> 02:59:42,629 that you look forward to every month to come out, you know, so 2714 02:59:42,629 --> 02:59:46,739 you can read it in, keep up. It was like passing in a book. 2715 02:59:47,159 --> 02:59:50,969 Well, it was the same as The Cosby Show before streaming and, 2716 02:59:51,329 --> 02:59:55,949 you know, and, and the nonlinear programming. So you would have 2717 02:59:55,949 --> 02:59:59,969 to watch on Thursday. Everybody knew where you were, everybody 2718 02:59:59,999 --> 03:00:03,479 knew when the new when the new National Geographic was coming 2719 03:00:03,539 --> 03:00:07,589 out. Everybody knew when the Playboy would hit the stands of 2720 03:00:07,590 --> 03:00:11,010 course the share consciousness right? Yes it was oh yeah, yeah 2721 03:00:11,040 --> 03:00:15,270 so it's going back to the totem spirit meaning of the rabbit she 2722 03:00:15,270 --> 03:00:18,750 said one rabbit in their offspring could create a billion 2723 03:00:18,780 --> 03:00:23,640 rabbits right? So one rabbit Marilyn Monroe can create 2724 03:00:23,790 --> 03:00:29,430 billions of male or more Monroe wannabes. One mega stallion 2725 03:00:29,430 --> 03:00:33,180 could create millions of want to be mega stallions. They 2726 03:00:33,180 --> 03:00:36,240 understand they said, Let's use women to push these political 2727 03:00:36,270 --> 03:00:40,020 ideologies and an inverse out of that we'll have a Gloria Steinem 2728 03:00:40,020 --> 03:00:46,710 pushing another toxic form of feminine feminism or femininity. 2729 03:00:46,740 --> 03:00:50,160 Let me say that better word and they got both sides covered. 2730 03:00:51,120 --> 03:00:55,800 You know who runs play playboy now? No, you don't. I don't. Oh, 2731 03:00:55,830 --> 03:01:01,590 Christie and Hefner to have daughter. Oh, yeah, it's and 2732 03:01:01,590 --> 03:01:08,010 she's woke. And I thought she was I thought she was gay. I 2733 03:01:08,010 --> 03:01:11,940 guess I'm wrong about that. Since she was she's divorced. 2734 03:01:13,140 --> 03:01:17,040 Yeah, I know. She'd made a lot of changes that people didn't 2735 03:01:17,040 --> 03:01:17,520 like. 2736 03:01:18,870 --> 03:01:22,860 Just saying the one place that God could go to be gods. I mean, 2737 03:01:22,860 --> 03:01:26,520 that would the Playboy Mansion was still that, um, I don't 2738 03:01:26,520 --> 03:01:30,360 think it has the Hey, like now, because like you said, with 2739 03:01:30,360 --> 03:01:32,910 social media, there's really no need for a Playboy Mansion. 2740 03:01:33,150 --> 03:01:35,430 Instagram is the Playboy Mansion. Now, I mean, you could 2741 03:01:35,430 --> 03:01:36,090 prepare. 2742 03:01:36,149 --> 03:01:39,959 Oh, yeah. No, it's totally right. It's totally over 2743 03:01:39,989 --> 03:01:40,379 totally. 2744 03:01:40,379 --> 03:01:46,679 But it had his he had his purpose of bringing in bringing 2745 03:01:46,679 --> 03:01:51,119 in a new thought about sexuality. And a case in point 2746 03:01:51,119 --> 03:01:55,499 of that is Hugh Hefner's relationship with Alfred Kinsey, 2747 03:01:55,799 --> 03:02:01,049 one of the virgins in college that read Kinsey, and believed 2748 03:02:01,049 --> 03:02:11,489 him was a guy named Hugh Hefner. He was, yeah. Well, he's he's 2749 03:02:11,489 --> 03:02:15,149 Kinsey. And he says, Hey, everybody's been lying to me. 2750 03:02:15,599 --> 03:02:18,989 They've all been diddling around doing all this stuff. And I have 2751 03:02:18,989 --> 03:02:23,219 been standing here being a nice guy, forget it. I will be and 2752 03:02:23,219 --> 03:02:27,179 I'm quoting him, Kinsey's pamphleteer. I will be Kinsey's 2753 03:02:27,179 --> 03:02:31,979 pamphlets. So from there, he began to advocate for changes in 2754 03:02:31,979 --> 03:02:37,139 law, and he created a magazine called playboy playboy, which 2755 03:02:37,139 --> 03:02:44,489 then he said, would reflect what Kinsey had found about human 2756 03:02:44,489 --> 03:02:49,109 sexuality is fraudulent his fraud. data in America was 2757 03:02:49,109 --> 03:02:56,099 educated by a pedophile, whose work was labeled as science just 2758 03:02:56,099 --> 03:03:01,499 as Darwin was the father of legitimizing evolution. Kinsey 2759 03:03:01,589 --> 03:03:05,129 was the father of legitimizing the sexual revolution and 2760 03:03:05,159 --> 03:03:09,629 all this based upon that today. And sure enough, Hefner was true 2761 03:03:09,629 --> 03:03:13,349 to his word. Not only did he popularized pornography on the 2762 03:03:13,379 --> 03:03:16,319 global scale, he also helped to legalize it. 2763 03:03:17,430 --> 03:03:19,800 Yeah, the Kinsey report, of course, yes. 2764 03:03:20,010 --> 03:03:24,870 So this is Judy right around Reisman. And she's been on 2765 03:03:24,900 --> 03:03:30,300 Kinsey's tail for a lot a very long time now, she's cropped up 2766 03:03:30,330 --> 03:03:35,520 due to the issue with pornography and porn addiction. 2767 03:03:35,790 --> 03:03:38,850 And that's what that was from King's work studio documentary 2768 03:03:38,850 --> 03:03:42,030 that pull that clip from, but as I was waiting to go start going 2769 03:03:42,030 --> 03:03:46,470 back and looking at her, she's been doing this since 1990. And 2770 03:03:46,470 --> 03:03:49,710 even before on Kinsey, so I mean, before we get into Kinsey 2771 03:03:49,710 --> 03:03:54,030 in her take on him, anything you want to say about him or about 2772 03:03:54,030 --> 03:03:55,230 Kinsey Oh, yeah, well, 2773 03:03:55,260 --> 03:03:58,830 his report was, was groundbreaking when the first 2774 03:03:58,830 --> 03:04:03,090 Kinsey report came out about sexuality. And there's even a TV 2775 03:04:03,090 --> 03:04:09,540 series Masters of Sex. I think that that is partially if not 2776 03:04:09,540 --> 03:04:13,530 all about Kinsey. But what was controversial? One of the many 2777 03:04:13,530 --> 03:04:17,190 controversial things was the Kinsey scale. And this was, I 2778 03:04:17,190 --> 03:04:23,160 think it was look here 00 to six, where zero was you were 2779 03:04:23,160 --> 03:04:27,720 completely straight and six, you're, you're homosexual. Like, 2780 03:04:27,990 --> 03:04:32,880 you can't really imagine having that scale today in today's woke 2781 03:04:32,880 --> 03:04:34,290 world, but 2782 03:04:35,879 --> 03:04:39,599 could you see that's what I love doing the show with you? Because 2783 03:04:39,599 --> 03:04:43,409 all right, well, maybe apropos now. Yeah, right. It's not 2784 03:04:43,409 --> 03:04:45,269 binario three or three, 2785 03:04:45,299 --> 03:04:47,699 no three on the scale is binary, I guess. 2786 03:04:48,090 --> 03:04:51,930 Right. So there's grades of gender and sexuality, this 2787 03:04:51,930 --> 03:04:56,880 gradient across the spectrum. Whereas used to be gay, straight 2788 03:04:56,880 --> 03:04:59,580 or bisexual, right? I mean, that was the right Oh, yeah, 2789 03:04:59,700 --> 03:05:02,760 well Even bisexual took a while for that one to come in. 2790 03:05:03,270 --> 03:05:05,850 Right? I'm just saying that nothing that fits even more 2791 03:05:05,850 --> 03:05:07,890 fitting now, even the time it came out. 2792 03:05:08,040 --> 03:05:12,000 But anyway, there was there was a lot of controversy about 2793 03:05:12,000 --> 03:05:15,150 there. I also I believe you participated in the in the 2794 03:05:15,150 --> 03:05:19,500 study. So there's a lot of a lot of issues with it. But could 2795 03:05:19,500 --> 03:05:23,940 this have been important in this context for? How say how 2796 03:05:23,940 --> 03:05:27,720 sexuality was really introduced into the public lexicon? You 2797 03:05:27,720 --> 03:05:29,340 bet. You bet. 2798 03:05:30,690 --> 03:05:35,190 So let's go. I have a junior Reisman today, just give me 2799 03:05:35,220 --> 03:05:39,750 doctor input suspect her name, not the Judas Reisman. This is 2800 03:05:39,750 --> 03:05:44,640 1990. A December 5. She's on the phil donahue show. 2801 03:05:46,170 --> 03:05:49,020 Fundamentally, all the information on children is based 2802 03:05:49,050 --> 03:05:54,690 on sexual abuse of 317 infants and children from two months of 2803 03:05:54,690 --> 03:05:59,220 age to 14 years of age, the majority of them, in fact, under 2804 03:05:59,250 --> 03:06:00,420 10 years old. Yeah, but 2805 03:06:00,420 --> 03:06:04,290 you can't prove that Dr. riesman. And those who preside 2806 03:06:04,290 --> 03:06:08,070 at the sex at the Kinsey Institute today are appalled at 2807 03:06:08,070 --> 03:06:12,120 the, some might say libelous charges that you make, not only 2808 03:06:12,120 --> 03:06:16,530 about the work done by the late Dr. Kinsey, but also by some who 2809 03:06:16,530 --> 03:06:19,740 follow him. We should also tell you that Indiana University a 2810 03:06:19,740 --> 03:06:23,310 very proud conservative institution of higher learning 2811 03:06:23,310 --> 03:06:28,560 in America stands by this institute. And most of the 2812 03:06:28,560 --> 03:06:32,370 people who survive today who worked with Dr. Kinsey identify 2813 03:06:32,370 --> 03:06:36,210 him as an honorable man who abused nobody touched nobody. 2814 03:06:36,720 --> 03:06:39,540 And not surprisingly, it was a subject of controversy on the 2815 03:06:39,540 --> 03:06:42,810 occasion of the publication of his book about men in 1948. And 2816 03:06:42,810 --> 03:06:47,430 women in 1943 53. You can't prove that he abused children. 2817 03:06:47,459 --> 03:06:50,339 I think that the book establishes that there was abuse 2818 03:06:50,339 --> 03:06:52,739 that took place without any question. He admitted that 2819 03:06:52,769 --> 03:06:57,299 excuse me, he admitted that in the book, and if in fact, it was 2820 03:06:57,839 --> 03:07:02,129 admitted that Oh, boy do I wish he said he described nine 2821 03:07:02,129 --> 03:07:04,769 technically trained men, he called them technically trained 2822 03:07:04,769 --> 03:07:09,149 men who he said were sexually stimming. He said they were they 2823 03:07:09,149 --> 03:07:12,719 had had sexual relationships with young boys, and that they 2824 03:07:12,719 --> 03:07:14,999 were the source of all of his data. 2825 03:07:16,290 --> 03:07:21,270 Hmm, okay. I don't remember that in the TV series. Right. 2826 03:07:21,930 --> 03:07:28,350 And you hear how phil donahue is running a protection against for 2827 03:07:28,350 --> 03:07:34,050 Kinsey. And it sounds very similar to how Whoopi Goldberg 2828 03:07:34,380 --> 03:07:38,190 was running interference for a Roman Polanski. And yet, you 2829 03:07:38,190 --> 03:07:41,580 can't prove that, you know, this kind of, obviously, it's even I 2830 03:07:41,580 --> 03:07:41,850 mean, 2831 03:07:41,909 --> 03:07:45,539 not, not for one way or the other. I mean, we take Wikipedia 2832 03:07:45,539 --> 03:07:49,739 for what it is, but it's right there. And Wikipedia says it 2833 03:07:49,739 --> 03:07:54,809 right there about the children. There it is, um, I mean, 2834 03:07:54,809 --> 03:07:57,899 Wikipedia, you know, they'd like to take stuff off stuff like 2835 03:07:57,899 --> 03:08:02,099 this. I'm just saying it's it is there. Yeah, he was researching 2836 03:08:02,099 --> 03:08:07,169 children in short shows and observing orgasms in over 300 2837 03:08:07,169 --> 03:08:10,109 children aged from two months up to 15 years old. 2838 03:08:10,530 --> 03:08:13,080 So how do you? How do you want to think about it, but I'm just 2839 03:08:13,080 --> 03:08:19,620 saying now you understand, like, even in 1990. On this isn't just 2840 03:08:19,620 --> 03:08:24,600 for people that went around phil donahue was mainstream daytime 2841 03:08:24,600 --> 03:08:29,520 television. This is not some, you know, obscure, you know, 2842 03:08:29,550 --> 03:08:33,690 clip. This was on mainstream television in the daytime. And 2843 03:08:33,690 --> 03:08:38,730 he's clearly running interference for Kinsey and the 2844 03:08:39,390 --> 03:08:42,510 University of Indiana, which he calls a conservative University. 2845 03:08:42,510 --> 03:08:46,470 So it's not across the spectrum of a liberal conservative 2846 03:08:46,500 --> 03:08:51,240 either. You want to get into the second clip? Yes. Oh, sure. 2847 03:08:51,539 --> 03:08:54,839 He described screaming and fainting and convulsions. He 2848 03:08:54,839 --> 03:08:57,869 described, he described children who were striking what he called 2849 03:08:57,959 --> 03:09:01,529 the partner. That was those that was the man who was who was 2850 03:09:01,529 --> 03:09:04,229 abusing the children. And then he drew from that conclusion 2851 03:09:04,229 --> 03:09:08,369 himself, Phil, from that conclusion himself, that the 2852 03:09:08,399 --> 03:09:11,459 children enjoy the experience that's blaming the victim. You 2853 03:09:11,459 --> 03:09:12,299 know what that is 2854 03:09:12,330 --> 03:09:15,960 this audience you are entitled to have me identify my own bias 2855 03:09:15,960 --> 03:09:19,770 here right at the beginning, okay. I admire what the sex the 2856 03:09:19,770 --> 03:09:23,520 what the Kinsey Institute does. I am personally familiar with 2857 03:09:23,520 --> 03:09:26,700 its director and have worked with her and she has made a very 2858 03:09:26,700 --> 03:09:30,210 important contribution to a series that I was proud to have 2859 03:09:30,210 --> 03:09:37,440 my name on in 1986. So and not a few people who support Kinsey, 2860 03:09:37,470 --> 03:09:39,480 the Kinsey Institute have questioned your credentials. 2861 03:09:39,570 --> 03:09:41,490 course they do. I would if I was have the 2862 03:09:42,510 --> 03:09:46,770 basement, Phil happens to be the most repudiated PhD in America. 2863 03:09:48,330 --> 03:09:52,320 Still sure her work has been rejected by the Justice 2864 03:09:52,320 --> 03:09:57,240 Department that ate their $800,000 grant. Now secondly, 2865 03:09:57,480 --> 03:10:02,670 Mr. Nice please do The American University also rejected this 2866 03:10:02,670 --> 03:10:05,790 study. The meese commission refused decided, and I 2867 03:10:05,790 --> 03:10:07,620 don't think you've ever been published. Have you in a 2868 03:10:07,620 --> 03:10:11,940 scientific journal? Never. Hey, how about the psychology and 2869 03:10:11,940 --> 03:10:15,900 sociobiology? Is that scientific enough to not spend most a good 2870 03:10:15,900 --> 03:10:19,560 deal of time writing music for Captain Kangaroo? Oh my god. 2871 03:10:22,889 --> 03:10:26,009 Wow, she was there was they brought her on her take her 2872 03:10:26,009 --> 03:10:31,529 down. Exactly. And yet all of that, that she saying is 2873 03:10:31,529 --> 03:10:36,569 reported here with sources in the book. Mm hmm. That's why 2874 03:10:36,569 --> 03:10:39,299 it's in sources. Yeah. Because he wrote about it exactly in his 2875 03:10:39,299 --> 03:10:44,099 book. Like, taking him down, like, are you not a PhD? You 2876 03:10:44,099 --> 03:10:46,349 might have even been published as you're writing Captain 2877 03:10:46,349 --> 03:10:47,399 Kangaroo music. 2878 03:10:49,770 --> 03:10:53,220 Very similar to what we're hearing now. Shockley, you're 2879 03:10:53,220 --> 03:10:59,580 not a real doctor. Your credentials. What you see when a 2880 03:11:00,030 --> 03:11:02,970 struck the power structure wants to protect somebody. 2881 03:11:03,270 --> 03:11:04,200 It goes all in. 2882 03:11:05,219 --> 03:11:08,219 So now when you look at the other side, and people want to 2883 03:11:08,219 --> 03:11:11,999 say, well, we need to protect bill calm, because the net you 2884 03:11:11,999 --> 03:11:15,809 know, net net of it is you know, he was good for black people. 2885 03:11:17,639 --> 03:11:21,419 why don't why not? I'm not saying let me be very clear. I 2886 03:11:21,419 --> 03:11:25,679 am not saying that. But when you see this and hear this 2887 03:11:25,799 --> 03:11:34,469 protection of Hugh Hefner of Kinsey, of whoever, Roman 2888 03:11:34,469 --> 03:11:39,089 Polanski, we've heard case by case by case by case. Oh, 2889 03:11:39,089 --> 03:11:49,139 protecting these mean. But America's dad gotta go. Yeah, it 2890 03:11:49,139 --> 03:11:52,919 doesn't. It doesn't mean doesn't make a lot of sense. Either. 2891 03:11:52,919 --> 03:11:55,409 Either. Bad or all good. He did something. 2892 03:11:55,409 --> 03:12:00,029 He didn't do something right. Not in the club. I don't know. 2893 03:12:00,569 --> 03:12:01,829 That's really odd. 2894 03:12:03,810 --> 03:12:06,960 Yeah, I hear what you're saying. I hear what you're saying. And 2895 03:12:06,960 --> 03:12:11,550 that's for 1990. So let's go ahead and get up to speed with 2896 03:12:11,550 --> 03:12:16,650 the almanac, CBS morning on Alfred Kinsey. 2897 03:12:19,709 --> 03:12:23,189 And now a page from our Sunday morning Almanac. June 2898 03:12:23,189 --> 03:12:31,289 23 1894 125 years ago today, the day sex researcher Alfred 2899 03:12:31,289 --> 03:12:36,299 Charles Kinsey was born in Hoboken, New Jersey. A trained 2900 03:12:36,299 --> 03:12:42,539 biologist Kinsey achieved fame, even notoriety in the 1940s and 2901 03:12:42,539 --> 03:12:47,999 50s with a pair of best selling books about male and female 2902 03:12:47,999 --> 03:12:52,949 sexual behavior. Controversial research he defended on 2903 03:12:52,949 --> 03:13:00,539 scientific grounds. practically nothing known about women. In 2904 03:13:00,539 --> 03:13:08,159 comparison with other animals. Kinsey based his eye opening 2905 03:13:08,159 --> 03:13:13,109 findings on 1000s of personal interviews, training his 2906 03:13:13,109 --> 03:13:18,059 researchers to first put their subjects at ease, as portrayed 2907 03:13:18,059 --> 03:13:23,699 in the 2004 film Kinsey starring Liam Neeson a few years in with 2908 03:13:23,699 --> 03:13:26,189 an Oculus questions people forget their giving sex 2909 03:13:26,189 --> 03:13:30,299 histories. Many of Kinsey's findings and techniques remain 2910 03:13:30,299 --> 03:13:34,349 controversial, including his occasional reliance on the 2911 03:13:34,349 --> 03:13:39,569 accounts of admitted child abusers. Still, he's widely 2912 03:13:39,569 --> 03:13:44,969 hailed as a trailblazer in a previously taboo field. Alfred 2913 03:13:44,969 --> 03:13:51,899 Kinsey died in 1956 at the age of 62. Today, the research he 2914 03:13:51,899 --> 03:13:56,399 pioneered continues at the Kinsey Institute at Indiana 2915 03:13:56,399 --> 03:13:57,689 University in 2916 03:13:57,690 --> 03:14:03,690 Bloomington. take a little look see over their research is 2917 03:14:03,690 --> 03:14:05,190 coming along Indiana. 2918 03:14:07,440 --> 03:14:11,220 There you have it. That's the that's the show on Bill Cosby 2919 03:14:11,610 --> 03:14:16,230 and his counterpart. My final thoughts on this whole 2920 03:14:16,230 --> 03:14:22,530 situation? I think there are all answers soon kinky, even 2921 03:14:22,530 --> 03:14:27,900 criminal sexual behavior, but it was allowed. And as we've seen 2922 03:14:27,900 --> 03:14:31,530 here for some people is still there. Their past is not allowed 2923 03:14:31,530 --> 03:14:38,460 to be brought up. But for Bill's case, he was a very useful pass 2924 03:14:38,460 --> 03:14:42,990 he are our sacrificial lamb to be taken out for me to to show 2925 03:14:42,990 --> 03:14:47,370 that hey, we got one of the big ones. So even steel, he was 2926 03:14:47,370 --> 03:14:49,680 allowed to get out. So 2927 03:14:51,600 --> 03:14:55,440 that's the blue lake Boulay phone. Most likely, they'd like 2928 03:14:55,440 --> 03:14:58,920 us to stop now. They think we've taken this far enough. I think 2929 03:15:00,390 --> 03:15:05,220 That might be the big phone that might be the white phone. That's 2930 03:15:05,220 --> 03:15:07,380 how it is. All right now what 2931 03:15:07,380 --> 03:15:10,380 I mean is like when you start touching on Kinsey in here, 2932 03:15:11,160 --> 03:15:13,020 that's a whole different phone rings. 2933 03:15:16,139 --> 03:15:18,749 Moe, thank you so much, man. That was great. I was really 2934 03:15:18,749 --> 03:15:20,909 really enjoyable. So much fun. 2935 03:15:21,779 --> 03:15:26,009 I'm glad you enjoyed Adam and as I always say, pay attention to 2936 03:15:26,009 --> 03:15:29,579 everything. And the truth will reveal itself. And we thank you 2937 03:15:29,579 --> 03:15:33,629 all for being here and we'll be here in 14 days. 2938 03:15:34,139 --> 03:15:42,089 Make sure you tune in mo facts with Adam Curry is straight up 2939 03:15:42,089 --> 03:15:58,439 getting the hand really want him Look at me right in the face. I 2940 03:15:58,439 --> 03:16:05,339 shouldn't know when something's wrong. When I get up in the 2941 03:16:05,339 --> 03:16:17,519 morning, you just give a throwaway. I was 2942 03:16:19,649 --> 03:16:31,229 just kind of saying fine. Would you be all on the telephone in 2943 03:16:31,229 --> 03:16:45,419 the corner? Kind of whispering so I don't hear when you just 2944 03:16:45,419 --> 03:16:57,119 didn't mean nothing. When you get to him, you don't take to 2945 03:16:57,119 --> 03:17:18,449 him. When you see the sign you don't read it was on the 2946 03:17:18,449 --> 03:17:54,389 telephone. Don't kiss back. You just say nothing. When you look 2947 03:17:54,389 --> 03:17:56,819 at me, any eyes, don't stay