1 00:00:05,220 --> 00:00:05,940 Leaving 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:07,950 no fees. 3 00:00:34,650 --> 00:00:38,820 more facts with Adam Curry for July 10 2021. This is episode 4 00:00:38,820 --> 00:00:43,230 number 64. Where Have y'all been? We've been waiting for 5 00:00:43,230 --> 00:00:43,470 you. 6 00:00:45,150 --> 00:00:48,750 Yes, we're back with that part two you've been waiting for I'm 7 00:00:48,750 --> 00:00:52,290 Adam Curry in the heart of Texas no country and my friend on the 8 00:00:52,290 --> 00:00:56,730 other end, ladies and gentlemen, the ever on imitable Mr. Mo 9 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:57,720 facts. 10 00:00:59,850 --> 00:01:02,490 Well, how am I doing? I've been missing, you know, I've been 11 00:01:02,490 --> 00:01:05,580 missing you. That's how I'm doing. How you doing? 12 00:01:06,900 --> 00:01:07,860 I'm doing better. 13 00:01:09,060 --> 00:01:12,750 Sorry for the long delay. But as you know, the show is ready when 14 00:01:12,750 --> 00:01:16,890 it's ready. Yes, I've been down the rabbit hole of all rabbit 15 00:01:16,890 --> 00:01:17,430 holes. 16 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:23,910 And just dealing with life. So yeah, yeah, this is a well 17 00:01:23,910 --> 00:01:27,810 placed pause in life so we can have this conversation that we 18 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,840 are going to have today. I'm so looking forward to this. We've 19 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,050 started it several times it stopped. There's been technical 20 00:01:34,050 --> 00:01:37,050 issues. There's been life issues. I moved. That was 21 00:01:37,050 --> 00:01:37,950 another issue. 22 00:01:39,030 --> 00:01:43,470 But we're here and I presume, Mo This is going to be we are 23 00:01:43,470 --> 00:01:48,900 people too. This is the follow up to our last episode. Yes, it 24 00:01:48,900 --> 00:01:49,860 definitely did. 25 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:55,020 I think people didn't know where I was going with the web. And I 26 00:01:55,020 --> 00:01:58,230 got a lot of good feedback from we are people. And I want to 27 00:01:58,230 --> 00:02:02,580 continue to show the relationship between a Megan the 28 00:02:02,580 --> 00:02:06,750 stallion and maxine waters. We looked at the 29 00:02:08,009 --> 00:02:08,519 for 30 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,020 I pun intended, the working side 31 00:02:14,940 --> 00:02:19,110 of the relationship, the women that use their bodies, and I 32 00:02:19,110 --> 00:02:22,590 want to make some clear, the working side can be taken as a 33 00:02:22,590 --> 00:02:26,340 double entendre because women to actually use their physical 34 00:02:26,340 --> 00:02:29,130 bodies for labor, such as claiming the same thing. They 35 00:02:29,130 --> 00:02:33,810 kind of fit on that same side of the common folk. So we're going 36 00:02:33,810 --> 00:02:38,730 to look at the educated side now and also reveal the third party 37 00:02:38,730 --> 00:02:41,910 in the room. I know. I know people have been waiting on 38 00:02:41,910 --> 00:02:45,510 that. So I guess we can jump right in. Do you want to do we 39 00:02:45,510 --> 00:02:47,880 need to roll out the wheel at all just for old? 40 00:02:50,370 --> 00:02:53,130 Ladies, gentlemen, we know where we're going. But still the 41 00:02:53,130 --> 00:02:56,250 absolute topic of mo factions Adam Curry for episode number 42 00:02:56,280 --> 00:03:00,000 64. There's only one person who knows we will find out 43 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,470 collectively The topic is is called w AP. Yes. 44 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,990 All right. All right. I'm very excited. For this moment, I'm 45 00:03:09,990 --> 00:03:14,250 ready for the long haul. And I'm sure even brought in some things 46 00:03:14,250 --> 00:03:15,540 that happened over the past 47 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,650 six weeks or so that may or may have been interesting is that 48 00:03:19,650 --> 00:03:21,030 part of the rabbit hole you went down? 49 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,480 That is boosting 50 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:33,480 clips, I was moved by your article. And I was so pleased 51 00:03:34,410 --> 00:03:38,550 that you wrote the article for a lot of reasons, oftentimes, 52 00:03:39,030 --> 00:03:42,150 particularly happens with entertainers, they put you in a 53 00:03:42,150 --> 00:03:48,390 box. And somehow they don't see you as a person who has a life 54 00:03:48,390 --> 00:03:53,580 that includes a family, that includes interactions, decisions 55 00:03:53,580 --> 00:03:56,220 that you have to make that has nothing to do with your 56 00:03:56,220 --> 00:04:01,410 performance. And so they don't see you as thinking about the 57 00:04:01,410 --> 00:04:05,070 pipe, for example of black women, or civil rights or any of 58 00:04:05,070 --> 00:04:08,760 these issues. So that's why I was very pleased that you wrote 59 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:13,980 it. And so when we saw it, we thought, Wow, this is great. And 60 00:04:14,010 --> 00:04:18,330 I'm so pleased, let's, let's writer, let's let's letter, that 61 00:04:18,330 --> 00:04:21,810 we think that that she's doing a great thing and has done a great 62 00:04:21,810 --> 00:04:25,680 thing. And I want you to know that when you you know speak of 63 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,680 yourself and you say maybe you know people think you're being 64 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:34,140 too controversial, etc, etc. Pay that no attention. There's some 65 00:04:34,140 --> 00:04:38,760 people who don't have courage and don't have confidence. They 66 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:42,390 don't understand it when they see it in other people. So you 67 00:04:42,390 --> 00:04:45,540 should be proud of that. You should be proud of who you are. 68 00:04:45,540 --> 00:04:50,760 And I know you are not only your talent, but your person who What 69 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:55,800 do you care about? And what is it that you're doing that is not 70 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,920 only good for you, but it's good for others. So thank you very 71 00:04:58,920 --> 00:04:59,970 much and I'm pleased 72 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,120 Be with you. I'm glad you played this. This kind of brings me 73 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,930 back into where we left off. Yes. So just to bring people up 74 00:05:06,930 --> 00:05:09,660 to speed or if you're listening for the first time 75 00:05:10,830 --> 00:05:11,070 the 76 00:05:12,300 --> 00:05:15,990 last episode and this episode is centered around a quote unquote 77 00:05:15,990 --> 00:05:19,950 conversation between Meghan the stallion, Maxine Waters and a 78 00:05:19,950 --> 00:05:25,050 third party, which I'm willing to unmask. Ask now. Okay, 79 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:30,810 Caitlin, Caitlin Greenwich so much. Yes. So she's the one that 80 00:05:30,810 --> 00:05:34,620 wrote this article and link these two together. And we're 81 00:05:34,620 --> 00:05:38,730 gonna look into her background. But one thing we didn't discuss 82 00:05:38,730 --> 00:05:43,200 last time we didn't discuss in detail was the name of the 83 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,950 article. And that is Megan the stallion and Representative 84 00:05:47,820 --> 00:05:54,480 waters. Own massage Anwar saying no, and the genes are web. So 85 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:59,790 that's the full title. Massage Noir. Yes. So I brought him in 86 00:05:59,790 --> 00:06:02,130 with the web but this is what we really got to talk about 87 00:06:03,210 --> 00:06:05,940 that massage and more so that is a 88 00:06:07,260 --> 00:06:09,570 I guess you would call it amalgamation of two words 89 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:14,640 massage knee and the French word for black right? Yes. So this is 90 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:16,230 black massage knee. 91 00:06:17,910 --> 00:06:22,200 Wow, I really like I hadn't. I didn't get this term, the first 92 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,930 term massage Noir. I like that. That's that is Yeah. 93 00:06:26,370 --> 00:06:30,330 Everybody took the whap and ran with it and the audacity and ran 94 00:06:30,330 --> 00:06:32,400 with it but this was the hidden 95 00:06:34,230 --> 00:06:37,590 message it's like the payload it's the payload that was in the 96 00:06:37,590 --> 00:06:41,970 in the bomb that and it really is the schedule. It went past 97 00:06:41,970 --> 00:06:45,930 our conscious mind. It slips right into our unconscious mind. 98 00:06:46,140 --> 00:06:50,340 And what this is referring back to what happened with her and 99 00:06:50,340 --> 00:06:54,060 Tori lanes with the shooting incident. And so this is why 100 00:06:54,060 --> 00:06:58,950 Megan the stallion, is it several reasons why she's um, a 101 00:06:58,950 --> 00:07:03,330 great and I uses words respectfully but acid for the 102 00:07:03,750 --> 00:07:06,750 globalist right and and the democratic or liberal 103 00:07:06,750 --> 00:07:09,390 politicians because they can use her. 104 00:07:10,410 --> 00:07:14,010 She's educated school, we're going to talk about that side. 105 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:20,310 She has sex appeal. And now she also is a victim of a violent 106 00:07:20,310 --> 00:07:24,540 crime from a man. Right. So she gets shot in the foot Was that 107 00:07:24,540 --> 00:07:27,570 it? He Yes. Yes. 108 00:07:28,710 --> 00:07:33,120 Boy ended up in her foot this correct. Allegedly, there's some 109 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,450 there's some cloudiness around that, but this is why they chose 110 00:07:36,450 --> 00:07:40,770 to bring her and just talk about massage Noir. And what I have to 111 00:07:40,770 --> 00:07:44,700 say about that is if we're going to say well massage knee 112 00:07:46,020 --> 00:07:49,650 just the word itself is from whiteness. And you got you're 113 00:07:49,650 --> 00:07:52,380 talking about black and you're being so that's a racist aspect 114 00:07:52,380 --> 00:07:55,050 to it. This is targeted towards black men. 115 00:07:56,670 --> 00:07:57,330 This is the 116 00:07:59,220 --> 00:08:04,680 Latin ah so massage Anwar is black on both sides. Correct. 117 00:08:04,710 --> 00:08:10,620 And that's why holy crap. Yes. Now we see why we're here so we 118 00:08:10,620 --> 00:08:14,850 can go ahead. What I also like to do is go back and talk about 119 00:08:14,850 --> 00:08:17,460 some of the things that Maxi martyr said and we can move on. 120 00:08:17,970 --> 00:08:21,720 She said no confidence. So for women that think they shouldn't 121 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,900 use their bodies in a in a sexual manner to gain attention 122 00:08:24,900 --> 00:08:29,310 or, or clout. You don't have confidence and this is a prime 123 00:08:29,310 --> 00:08:31,830 example of shaming what we talked about sign language 124 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,110 before. From I'm 125 00:08:36,150 --> 00:08:40,560 Kevin Samuels and he's a really lightning rod right now but the 126 00:08:40,590 --> 00:08:44,670 sign language is a abbreviate I mean not abbreviation but a 127 00:08:47,250 --> 00:08:50,250 website. Not abbreviation? what's the word I'm looking for? 128 00:08:50,910 --> 00:08:54,690 What are you saying when you say sign language? Si Si gn. 129 00:08:57,090 --> 00:09:00,330 Each word each letter stands for a word word word, an acronym. 130 00:09:00,780 --> 00:09:04,470 acronym. But yeah, I don't know why this escaped me. But shaming 131 00:09:04,470 --> 00:09:04,680 is 132 00:09:05,850 --> 00:09:09,600 an acronym, sign language. And what she's doing now is shaming 133 00:09:09,630 --> 00:09:12,840 other women. She's not shaming men. She shaming women, they say 134 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,210 if you don't agree with this, then you don't have any 135 00:09:15,210 --> 00:09:19,950 confidence. So confidence is a key point to Audacity. And that 136 00:09:19,950 --> 00:09:24,870 leads us right into clip number three, which is from the last 137 00:09:24,870 --> 00:09:28,680 show redefining female Audacity. audacity 138 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:35,970 is defined as having the courage to make bold choices or 139 00:09:36,150 --> 00:09:43,170 excessive confidence. It is both of those or either of those. 140 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:50,220 I define female audacity as having the excessive confidence 141 00:09:50,310 --> 00:09:55,410 a woman needs to make bold choices between two seemingly 142 00:09:55,410 --> 00:09:59,970 conflicting but significant elements of her life, women 143 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,170 are sometimes faced with additional stress, once they 144 00:10:04,170 --> 00:10:09,000 decide to bring a child into the world. How are we defined now? 145 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:14,610 Are we a nurturing mother? Or are we a career woman? 146 00:10:16,590 --> 00:10:21,780 This seemingly polarizing event in a woman's life can be tragic 147 00:10:21,900 --> 00:10:23,790 and very difficult to deal with. 148 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:30,720 The dichotomy exists between working career woman and mother. 149 00:10:31,860 --> 00:10:36,810 It exists so powerfully that our culture has labeled it mommy 150 00:10:36,870 --> 00:10:44,190 wars, a war between women simply because they have made different 151 00:10:44,190 --> 00:10:45,090 choices. 152 00:10:46,110 --> 00:10:49,860 Will they have the audacity to forego their family to chase 153 00:10:49,860 --> 00:10:52,920 after their ambitions? Or will they have the audacity 154 00:10:53,970 --> 00:10:56,370 to be a nurturing mother and dedicate themselves to their 155 00:10:56,370 --> 00:11:00,810 children? Either way, it seems to have a negative connotation, 156 00:11:00,930 --> 00:11:03,900 but the fact remains that the war exists. 157 00:11:06,990 --> 00:11:09,810 And this is why this is important because this is 158 00:11:09,810 --> 00:11:15,630 somewhat a treaty in the mommy wars. What you have the career 159 00:11:15,630 --> 00:11:20,760 woman, Maxine, being Maxine Waters, sitting down with the 160 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:27,750 working woman, or the mothers See, women are divided on this, 161 00:11:28,110 --> 00:11:31,590 what their political what she has her word, the polarizing 162 00:11:31,620 --> 00:11:32,040 event. 163 00:11:33,780 --> 00:11:37,530 Is your question about that? Yes. Because I know how this so 164 00:11:37,530 --> 00:11:42,240 called mommy war plays out with white women mainly. And I would 165 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:48,540 say it's, it's not at all a war. But that in general, and I'm 166 00:11:48,540 --> 00:11:52,290 just projecting what I what I've witnessed throughout my life in 167 00:11:52,290 --> 00:11:55,590 general, the the stay at home mom 168 00:11:57,990 --> 00:12:03,030 is proud of her choice. And says, you know, it's not the 169 00:12:03,030 --> 00:12:07,680 choice I would make. But go ahead. You can have a career. I 170 00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:11,040 think actually the career white woman is a little more 171 00:12:12,300 --> 00:12:16,440 at war with the stay at home woman than the other way around. 172 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:22,500 Is that the same? What? Well, war could be one person could 173 00:12:22,500 --> 00:12:25,680 start award up me you're not fighting me? Sure, sure. I'm 174 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:28,980 just saying I don't know. I would say what you want to say 175 00:12:29,010 --> 00:12:31,620 I'm not put words your mouth. But Wow, understanding if one is 176 00:12:31,620 --> 00:12:37,020 on the offensive? Yes, exactly. In my experience, the career 177 00:12:37,020 --> 00:12:40,680 woman is more on the offensive. Yes. And that their main tactic 178 00:12:40,710 --> 00:12:44,040 is the shaming. See what See, where are we going here? Well, 179 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,410 like Hillary Clinton, she said, I'm not gonna sit at home and 180 00:12:46,410 --> 00:12:47,700 bake apple pies. 181 00:12:49,350 --> 00:12:53,040 Correct. And just like, well, Michelle Obama says she's a 182 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:57,360 single mom. See, it's a, which was a head scratcher. 183 00:12:58,650 --> 00:13:01,920 If you could pull off both see, and this is the thing, this is 184 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:05,670 where the audacity and the conflict and the polarizing 185 00:13:05,670 --> 00:13:09,150 events, like dichotomy, all these words you use come into 186 00:13:09,150 --> 00:13:14,550 play. Because if you can balance that working mother, that career 187 00:13:14,550 --> 00:13:17,280 woman that has it all, you know, this mean, the one that has it 188 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:22,440 all. But you know how this woman said it's polarizing. So to pull 189 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:26,700 that off, both to go out in the working world, and try to have a 190 00:13:26,700 --> 00:13:29,250 career and be a mom is like, 191 00:13:31,830 --> 00:13:36,750 a very high expectation. Yeah. Well, hell yeah. And it's, it's 192 00:13:36,750 --> 00:13:38,610 a really a form of elitism. 193 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:40,950 If you can't do both, 194 00:13:42,180 --> 00:13:45,750 yeah. What you can't do both, you're not able to do both 195 00:13:45,750 --> 00:13:49,440 What's wrong with you? Right. And we've heard we've had, we've 196 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,930 had talked about this on shows before the pressures that mom 197 00:13:51,930 --> 00:13:55,560 had, and this is the point of why I'm doing this. I think we 198 00:13:55,560 --> 00:14:00,390 have to, we can't fight this mommy war for women. No. But 199 00:14:00,390 --> 00:14:04,110 what we have to do is let them know that they have our support. 200 00:14:05,790 --> 00:14:07,200 So they can be vocal. 201 00:14:08,370 --> 00:14:12,240 Whether is they feel like they're being and to each his 202 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,760 own. And I know some somebody got really frustrated with me 203 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:19,890 saying, Ah, good luck. You know, are all the power to you said 204 00:14:19,890 --> 00:14:22,320 women that you'd like that you choose to use their body? If 205 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,800 that's your adult choice, fine. If that's your adult choice to 206 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:29,070 forego motherhood and be a career woman, that's your 207 00:14:29,070 --> 00:14:33,960 choice. But when I say is the machine that creates these 208 00:14:34,020 --> 00:14:38,100 images and means a women that have all creates mental 209 00:14:38,550 --> 00:14:43,590 unhealthy mental expectations of women? Sure, well, it that's and 210 00:14:43,590 --> 00:14:46,980 yes, of course, I agree. And I think we've talked many times 211 00:14:46,980 --> 00:14:49,680 before that even just the fashion industry creates 212 00:14:49,710 --> 00:14:54,360 unhealthy images for women to aspire to often and this is what 213 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,660 good bring it back to Megan the stallion. This is why she's so 214 00:14:57,840 --> 00:14:59,970 effective because she 215 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,770 has a body image not 216 00:15:02,909 --> 00:15:05,969 typical to the modeling industry? She's a more 217 00:15:05,969 --> 00:15:10,169 forefinger woman. She's educated and what she still can you're 218 00:15:10,169 --> 00:15:13,769 saying she's still fun. I don't have anything personally gets 219 00:15:13,769 --> 00:15:18,329 Megan the stallion. But when you allow yourself to be used, or 220 00:15:18,329 --> 00:15:22,139 maybe it's a Britney Spears situation, he was saying, will 221 00:15:22,139 --> 00:15:25,049 you sign out when you sign on to these things? We need to start 222 00:15:25,049 --> 00:15:29,519 looking at how many stars under what control is interesting. 223 00:15:30,479 --> 00:15:33,629 Last night Tina and I were talking with Michael we're 224 00:15:33,629 --> 00:15:36,809 playing Michael Jackson popped up on the on the playlist. And 225 00:15:36,809 --> 00:15:39,329 it's like he was 40 years old then. And I said, you know, 226 00:15:39,329 --> 00:15:43,079 really, we talked about the chi was kind of similar story to 227 00:15:43,079 --> 00:15:46,469 Britney Spears only different obviously. But he was 228 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,030 but he was on stage when he was five. You know, it gets 229 00:15:51,030 --> 00:15:53,700 literally controlled by his father and you know, and that 230 00:15:53,700 --> 00:15:57,330 carries on like Britney Spears damaged man damaged from the 231 00:15:57,330 --> 00:16:01,050 Disney club, the Mickey Mouse Club. I don't think you can ever 232 00:16:01,050 --> 00:16:04,680 really undo that. I mean, it's that's just who you've been 233 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:09,570 trained to be. And it's like, it's a it's a system. Yeah, this 234 00:16:09,570 --> 00:16:14,610 is not by happenstance. This is a system where we are okay, I 235 00:16:14,610 --> 00:16:17,730 know I want to hit this right quick. And I'm gonna show you we 236 00:16:17,730 --> 00:16:19,200 don't want ranks number four, 237 00:16:20,370 --> 00:16:25,050 black radio, in any city advertise, it's your kid I want 238 00:16:25,050 --> 00:16:27,510 to be a Disney star bla bla bla bla bring them down to the 239 00:16:27,510 --> 00:16:30,630 convention center so we can poke and prod them right you know, 240 00:16:30,630 --> 00:16:34,530 saying basically, artist you know that because I mean me 241 00:16:34,530 --> 00:16:37,770 having three daughters me and Mr. sfax had to have a serious 242 00:16:37,770 --> 00:16:39,960 conversation like not it's not happening because we were saying 243 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:40,650 my kids are 244 00:16:41,940 --> 00:16:46,260 blessed with being attractive or cute or whatever you want to 245 00:16:46,260 --> 00:16:50,430 call it. So I'm like, Nah, you're not taking them there to 246 00:16:50,430 --> 00:16:52,680 be picked and they move up a level 247 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,570 it's presented as such a way out isn't it? It's the same with the 248 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:03,420 Toddlers and Tiaras and it's so attractive for parents because 249 00:17:03,420 --> 00:17:06,900 you feel good oh my kid is beautiful or is wanted or 250 00:17:06,930 --> 00:17:12,090 desirable or is pretty whatever it is and and oh boy I could you 251 00:17:12,090 --> 00:17:14,730 know I could the kid could be on the path could have a career 252 00:17:14,970 --> 00:17:17,730 thinking that that is you know that show business is a groovy 253 00:17:17,730 --> 00:17:21,930 way to go and the Disney machine fees this 254 00:17:22,980 --> 00:17:26,700 you can see it play out in reality TV and this is going 255 00:17:26,700 --> 00:17:28,560 back to Megan the stallion because I want to get the clip 256 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:29,070 for 257 00:17:31,140 --> 00:17:34,530 her means you got to look at hot girl summer we talked about this 258 00:17:34,530 --> 00:17:39,570 this show 50 to listen to how hot girls summer man created by 259 00:17:39,570 --> 00:17:44,190 making stallion penetrated the culture. And you're saying took 260 00:17:44,190 --> 00:17:47,640 hold. We have Wendy Williams here is talking to a 261 00:17:48,900 --> 00:17:53,340 black woman whose name is India and she's wearing a blonde wig. 262 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,860 Your wig designer? Yeah, you designed the hell out of that 263 00:18:01,860 --> 00:18:02,010 one. 264 00:18:03,510 --> 00:18:08,160 How can I help you India. So my sister kind of had a hacker 265 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:12,000 summer this summer. She was messing around like three guys. 266 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,130 And now she's pregnant. 267 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:26,160 My advice so my question to you is how do I advise her without 268 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,160 judging her? Is it your little sister big sister, my older 269 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:29,520 sister. 270 00:18:33,300 --> 00:18:35,940 And she doesn't know who the father is? Well, she only messed 271 00:18:35,940 --> 00:18:36,870 around with three guys. 272 00:18:39,090 --> 00:18:44,940 What she needs to do is visit each guy. Now she's showing it 273 00:18:45,030 --> 00:18:47,760 No, perfect. Here's the plot. 274 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:53,400 She's going to visit each guy and take their toothbrushes. 275 00:18:55,650 --> 00:19:00,870 And you get that DNA test done. So that she isn't liquorish goes 276 00:19:00,870 --> 00:19:02,880 back and says who was the father? Who's the father? Who's 277 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,850 the father? Yeah, I understand. Yeah. So she was using no 278 00:19:05,850 --> 00:19:10,770 protection. just screwing around hacker no hot girls. Do that. 279 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:11,700 See what 280 00:19:19,350 --> 00:19:22,740 you need the DNA test and the best way to do it is to grab the 281 00:19:22,740 --> 00:19:27,240 toothbrush. I love how Jerry Springer became a black woman. 282 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:35,370 The Ines Jerry Springer set the mold for for the 90s and daytime 283 00:19:35,370 --> 00:19:38,910 television which birthed a whole nother generation. You see I 284 00:19:38,910 --> 00:19:42,780 mean these and this is why I don't get into like the 285 00:19:42,780 --> 00:19:47,820 characters or whatever is what are they pushing and for her to 286 00:19:47,820 --> 00:19:49,800 be pushing hot girls summer 287 00:19:51,180 --> 00:19:55,440 and not laying out I mean real consequences. And maybe Hey, 288 00:19:56,910 --> 00:19:57,570 maybe this 289 00:19:59,250 --> 00:20:00,000 adds to the 290 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,710 75% single parent 291 00:20:03,389 --> 00:20:07,469 in our community, quote unquote community. Yeah. I'm not about 292 00:20:07,469 --> 00:20:10,439 to go all Prager, you all you, but I'm just saying, I'm just 293 00:20:10,439 --> 00:20:12,539 saying is Does this 294 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,040 have an effect on that? And I'm sure it does, but certainly 295 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,800 doesn't seem like just something to laugh and joke about. But you 296 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:23,670 know, this is why I don't watch Wendy Williams. No, I'm just 297 00:20:23,670 --> 00:20:28,440 saying what this is. Why if whatever mean making give Meghan 298 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,730 the stallion or she comes up with, it will take hold. Yeah, 299 00:20:32,730 --> 00:20:36,150 that's why I'm sounding the alarm. Summary that that crossed 300 00:20:36,150 --> 00:20:38,700 my Twitter several times. And then I think it morphed into 301 00:20:38,700 --> 00:20:42,180 like, hot boys, summer, etc, etc. But hot girl summer was 302 00:20:42,180 --> 00:20:46,590 definitely a thing that I saw too. Yes. So it was broad is 303 00:20:46,590 --> 00:20:49,710 what I'm saying, since black Twitter refuses to connect to 304 00:20:49,710 --> 00:20:54,030 me. They won't let you in. Twitter won't let me see it. 305 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,640 He's got that show. That's enough. Don't give him too much 306 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:57,240 information. 307 00:20:58,530 --> 00:21:02,190 But I'm just saying that the reason why I brought up the 308 00:21:02,190 --> 00:21:03,810 blonde wig is 309 00:21:05,220 --> 00:21:08,610 this is on, you can choose whatever color hair you want. 310 00:21:08,940 --> 00:21:11,850 Well, I'm just saying the beauty standards that are set by this 311 00:21:11,850 --> 00:21:12,780 machine 312 00:21:14,130 --> 00:21:18,180 chews up women and spits them out. And then on the other side 313 00:21:18,180 --> 00:21:21,990 of that the educational requirements, you know, go to 314 00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:25,110 school, you know, and 315 00:21:27,090 --> 00:21:30,720 don't learn how to have soft skills and these kinds of things 316 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,440 that have excessive competence, which isn't me when I hear a 317 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,530 sense of confidence that makes me think toxic. So it's just a 318 00:21:37,530 --> 00:21:39,000 form of toxic femininity. 319 00:21:42,300 --> 00:21:45,300 I'm just saying that they have the expectation that you need to 320 00:21:45,300 --> 00:21:47,970 have a sense of competence. If I tell young men that they will 321 00:21:47,970 --> 00:21:49,500 say that was toxic masculinity. 322 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,750 Yes. By the way, the the whenever I hear audacity, you 323 00:21:54,750 --> 00:21:57,720 know what pops into my head the first association with that 324 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,660 Obama's book Audacity of Hope. And 325 00:22:01,770 --> 00:22:04,860 sure, it's not an accident. him sure it's not 326 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:11,760 sure it's not. So now we have to go into a go back to the 327 00:22:12,180 --> 00:22:16,230 conversation between Magnus Dahlia, Maxine Waters, and this 328 00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:21,240 is a clip number five, when I think about you, and you 329 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,690 continuing your education, I said to myself, you know what, 330 00:22:25,170 --> 00:22:27,420 she doesn't have to go to nobody schooling. 331 00:22:29,730 --> 00:22:34,140 She's got it, she's done it, she's got it made. So that is so 332 00:22:34,290 --> 00:22:39,810 absolutely commendable that you continue to focus on education, 333 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:44,250 when you know, you don't have to have a you know, people go to 334 00:22:44,250 --> 00:22:48,300 school to try to get to where you are. And here you are in 335 00:22:48,300 --> 00:22:52,680 this place. And you're still you know, paying attention. So 336 00:22:52,890 --> 00:22:57,450 that's a very, very commendable, my mother and my great 337 00:22:57,450 --> 00:23:01,620 grandmother passed away recently, but my grandmother is 338 00:23:01,620 --> 00:23:04,050 still alive, and she will work my butt. 339 00:23:05,580 --> 00:23:09,150 Even me at 25, she will work my butt and I dropped out of 340 00:23:09,150 --> 00:23:11,190 college. So I'm like, you know what, I'm not only getting a 341 00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:14,370 degree for myself, I'm getting it for the women in my family 342 00:23:14,370 --> 00:23:18,660 who originally pushed me to go to school. Anyway. That's why I 343 00:23:18,660 --> 00:23:22,110 remember if you had, you know, Grandma, my great grandma, and 344 00:23:22,110 --> 00:23:25,080 mom, and all of that, I know what they say, girl get 345 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,480 educated, because they can't take it out of your head. They 346 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,080 can't take it away from you. If you get that they always say it 347 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:32,220 right, get 348 00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:33,780 get 349 00:23:35,100 --> 00:23:35,970 get some paper. 350 00:23:37,980 --> 00:23:42,450 That's great. And again, I commend you for continuing to do 351 00:23:42,450 --> 00:23:46,050 that. And now I understand even more, why it's important to you. 352 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,840 You're not just doing it for yourself, you do it for them. 353 00:23:50,700 --> 00:23:56,550 What always worries me is how so many people can listen to the 354 00:23:56,550 --> 00:24:00,390 exact same clip or watch the same video and just come and 355 00:24:00,390 --> 00:24:03,150 walk away with a totally different idea of what was being 356 00:24:03,150 --> 00:24:03,690 said. 357 00:24:05,250 --> 00:24:10,050 The way they place the words, this, this is why these people 358 00:24:10,050 --> 00:24:14,100 are valuable. When you can say something and people can walk 359 00:24:14,100 --> 00:24:17,550 away with it. Like Yeah, and everybody feels like they Oh, 360 00:24:17,550 --> 00:24:19,980 well. Okay, I agree. And I agree. And then two people sit 361 00:24:19,980 --> 00:24:22,440 down and talk about what they heard. And it's like, there's no 362 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,260 agreement between the two people. But they both agree with 363 00:24:25,260 --> 00:24:30,510 her. Right? That's what that is man. No wonder. Maxine in her 364 00:24:30,510 --> 00:24:33,150 80s is still there. You're right. She says she's very 365 00:24:33,150 --> 00:24:37,380 skillful. Because one thing she says is, Oh, you don't have to 366 00:24:37,380 --> 00:24:39,900 go to school anymore, where you're where people wants to go 367 00:24:39,900 --> 00:24:43,620 to school. But then she turns around and says how important 368 00:24:43,650 --> 00:24:46,950 schooling is. Yeah, they can't take it out of your head. Right, 369 00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:50,070 which we won't get to that one because that is a meme of all 370 00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:55,020 means and the black community, um, that get education in your 371 00:24:55,020 --> 00:24:59,550 head, and they can't take it away from me. Oh my god. We're 372 00:24:59,550 --> 00:25:00,000 gonna come back 373 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,980 back to that, because I have something to say about I want to 374 00:25:01,980 --> 00:25:04,320 do it now. But now we've got to do it now. Oh? 375 00:25:06,779 --> 00:25:14,249 Well, I wish that the new black in your head meme would be your 376 00:25:14,249 --> 00:25:17,819 Bitcoin wallet addresses in your head. They can't take your money 377 00:25:17,819 --> 00:25:19,109 away with what's in your head. 378 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,440 Yeah, and that's it's the similar, except this would be 379 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:26,490 very valuable. 380 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,770 If the government can take away your money can't steal from you, 381 00:25:31,950 --> 00:25:35,580 then you have total control over it. Take it with Bitcoin, 382 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,400 literally, they can take your Bitcoin away. If you've 383 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:43,230 memorized like, 12 words, it's in your head. Hmm. So anyway, 384 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:49,290 what that means in your head is like, get Ace, get. Let's just 385 00:25:49,290 --> 00:25:51,630 be, we won't have an honest conversation here. We always do. 386 00:25:51,630 --> 00:25:53,220 But we won't go a little deeper here. 387 00:25:54,630 --> 00:26:00,150 Your degree is your freedom papers. Yes. This is your ticket 388 00:26:00,150 --> 00:26:05,670 to whiteness, oh, not whiteness as in complexion or race or 389 00:26:05,670 --> 00:26:09,600 anything like that to the into the into the system. Right? And 390 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,630 then and it's the same, what I realize is we're not the only 391 00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:16,230 ones that have this, but we're not aware of this. And 392 00:26:17,370 --> 00:26:20,820 at the same time, there's a countering meme that says, if 393 00:26:20,820 --> 00:26:22,350 you're smart, you're weak. 394 00:26:23,970 --> 00:26:28,380 And this is where the the divide comes between these two 395 00:26:28,380 --> 00:26:31,980 communities. We're looking at it on the female side. But 396 00:26:32,010 --> 00:26:32,940 nonetheless, 397 00:26:35,730 --> 00:26:39,450 okay, see me education is a very, I mean, it goes back to 398 00:26:39,450 --> 00:26:42,180 slaves not being allowed to read, it's a very hot button 399 00:26:42,180 --> 00:26:45,900 ticket, and I'm gonna be honest with you. If somebody treats me 400 00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:48,270 like, I'm educated, that is a real 401 00:26:49,710 --> 00:26:53,070 problem, lack of a better word. microaggression. You're saying? 402 00:26:53,070 --> 00:26:55,890 No. And I mean, that in the actual terms of it, like, 403 00:26:57,120 --> 00:27:00,030 No, no, don't play me like, I'm dumb. Mm hmm. 404 00:27:01,050 --> 00:27:03,840 And that's why this is a very sensitive subject for our 405 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:04,650 people. But 406 00:27:05,730 --> 00:27:10,710 at the same time, what they done is white supremacy, English, 407 00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:13,890 talk about the World War One World Government, if you don't 408 00:27:13,890 --> 00:27:14,910 have papers. 409 00:27:16,620 --> 00:27:17,760 You're not anybody? 410 00:27:18,900 --> 00:27:21,240 Don't you? See? I can say it. Start with us. Yeah. 411 00:27:22,380 --> 00:27:25,290 Yes. Okay. So let me just let me just play this back. So what 412 00:27:25,290 --> 00:27:29,100 you're saying is, your perception is that often, 413 00:27:29,610 --> 00:27:33,510 someone will say something you're assuming or presuming 414 00:27:33,780 --> 00:27:36,390 that you're that you're uneducated, just based upon your 415 00:27:36,390 --> 00:27:39,150 exterior? exterior appearance. 416 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,760 Right. And what that comes in is the it's not I've never had an 417 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,450 overt I Oh, you're dumb, right? I am really comes from the 418 00:27:48,450 --> 00:27:52,530 opposite side of pandering, or the lower expectations. 419 00:27:53,610 --> 00:27:56,070 Real racism isn't? Oh, you know, 420 00:27:58,020 --> 00:28:02,550 real racism is not, you know, we think black people are dumb like 421 00:28:02,550 --> 00:28:07,980 this overtly. Real racism is when you say, Oh, I didn't think 422 00:28:07,980 --> 00:28:08,970 you could do that. 423 00:28:13,860 --> 00:28:15,600 Wow. Okay. And that's 424 00:28:16,890 --> 00:28:20,940 why. So I'm just explaining why this is important. And it's even 425 00:28:20,940 --> 00:28:24,630 more important to black women. And I'm not here to say we 426 00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:28,440 humanize people, but we also got to see where the ideas come 427 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:34,230 from. So we can truly understand them. And you know, and do away 428 00:28:34,260 --> 00:28:35,760 with them if they're not productive. 429 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,570 So but so getting the papers, degrees also are seen as away 430 00:28:42,570 --> 00:28:44,490 from being liberated from men. 431 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,350 For both black and white women and women of color, because when 432 00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:52,200 you have education, you don't need financially you're not 433 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,300 financially tied to a man. Right? 434 00:28:55,380 --> 00:28:57,990 You know, what to see, you see? Well, there's, there's, there's 435 00:28:58,020 --> 00:28:59,130 one extra 436 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,860 aspect to the education is, we've seen, certainly in the 437 00:29:04,860 --> 00:29:11,040 past three to five years, a lot of young people graduate, they 438 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,060 often have 439 00:29:13,140 --> 00:29:18,780 degrees in areas that really either there's a lot of work for 440 00:29:18,780 --> 00:29:23,670 it like social justice, but in anything else, most young people 441 00:29:23,670 --> 00:29:27,930 come out, look around and say, okay, there's 12 hours, $12 an 442 00:29:27,930 --> 00:29:30,600 hour jobs for me what the hell that I waste all my time in 443 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,560 college for? And that's what men are kind of trying to tell 444 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:39,480 women. It's like, Don't try to wait for years and $100,000 445 00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:44,910 in debt to go sit in a cubicle. We hate this. I mean, let's be 446 00:29:44,910 --> 00:29:49,650 honest. We hate it. But we do it so we can, you know, put you in 447 00:29:49,650 --> 00:29:52,260 a situation where you can do what you want to I mean, I said 448 00:29:52,260 --> 00:29:54,690 that's in a functioning relationship. Right? I mean, 449 00:29:54,690 --> 00:29:56,850 we're not and then we got to fast forward a little bit but 450 00:29:56,940 --> 00:29:59,970 we're not in the days of where you know, you're at home. 451 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,410 Like barefoot and pregnant women, women are able to do it 452 00:30:04,410 --> 00:30:08,280 both but the key word and let's just go back a little bit, um, 453 00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:13,650 is the career woman. Not the career not the working woman but 454 00:30:13,650 --> 00:30:17,640 the working career woman. Gotcha. you dedicate everything 455 00:30:17,910 --> 00:30:21,810 to your career, because a woman can easily have children and run 456 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,600 two or three small businesses out of her home sure 457 00:30:26,190 --> 00:30:29,010 to be financially independent, or maybe even the breadwinner in 458 00:30:29,010 --> 00:30:31,650 the house. That's not what we're saying. We're saying this rat 459 00:30:31,650 --> 00:30:34,470 race that men go through don't you go to it? 460 00:30:36,180 --> 00:30:41,070 Hey, we're we're in the rat race. Wow. Well, that white man 461 00:30:41,070 --> 00:30:43,260 I don't think think that way about white women. 462 00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:48,720 Really? No, no, I think it's it's so deeply ingrained that 463 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,590 it's like Yes, yes, go Go. Go. Not even for a moment thinking. 464 00:30:53,490 --> 00:30:55,410 You might see it really sucks. 465 00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,150 I don't Yeah, I don't think so. I don't think we've gotten to 466 00:31:00,150 --> 00:31:03,750 that point yet. And the other reason is all these weird 467 00:31:03,780 --> 00:31:07,350 ideologies that you learn in these liberal universities, and 468 00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:11,700 we gotta get We gotta move on. We're gonna go back to the movie 469 00:31:11,700 --> 00:31:18,930 black girl in 1972 Brock Peters and Leslie Uggams. I think I 470 00:31:18,930 --> 00:31:21,090 pronounced that and let me just set it up right quick. So we 471 00:31:21,090 --> 00:31:25,050 have the eldest daughters normal fan Ruth fan of mama Rosie, and 472 00:31:25,050 --> 00:31:28,860 she's the mother. And that was her two eldest daughters. Um, 473 00:31:29,790 --> 00:31:33,360 their father returned to town helping to rekindle a 474 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,010 relationship with mama Rosie. 475 00:31:36,150 --> 00:31:39,690 Mama Rosie speaks about her dreams. And we just take it from 476 00:31:39,690 --> 00:31:40,110 there. 477 00:31:41,220 --> 00:31:45,540 Getting into black girls clip number six. Oh, Rosie didn't 478 00:31:45,540 --> 00:31:48,660 tell you but she's done gone to keep in girls every now and 479 00:31:48,660 --> 00:31:52,800 then. First out was just want to Norman ruffians friends that 480 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,060 didn't have no place to stay. 481 00:31:55,290 --> 00:31:59,040 Now every stray alikat in town and found them a good thing. 482 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,290 I don't like that. You get many money for this. I don't want the 483 00:32:04,290 --> 00:32:04,890 money for 484 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,330 let me get this straight. You mean? You just give the girl at 485 00:32:09,330 --> 00:32:12,270 home who ain't got no home just out of the goodness of your 486 00:32:12,270 --> 00:32:12,570 heart. 487 00:32:14,130 --> 00:32:19,410 Those girls like there was my own daughters. Oh, Norma Fey and 488 00:32:19,410 --> 00:32:21,390 Ruth Ann and Billie Jean wasn't enough. 489 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,130 They don't appreciate me like the mother girls do. Maybe if 490 00:32:26,130 --> 00:32:31,050 you would appreciate us more Mama. What is that appreciate 491 00:32:31,050 --> 00:32:34,680 normally? I don't think any yells graduation pictures up 492 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:35,010 there. 493 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,560 Couldn't keep your dresses down. 494 00:32:38,730 --> 00:32:42,000 Oh, y'all got caught? Yeah. 495 00:32:44,730 --> 00:32:48,690 Wait till June like to shake her tail. She's next. I don't put 496 00:32:48,690 --> 00:32:50,250 don't fake and nominal. 497 00:32:52,260 --> 00:32:56,520 I Excuse me, I wanted I wanted to watch this movie I didn't get 498 00:32:57,540 --> 00:32:59,880 because I know we played some of these clips or clips from 499 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:03,930 different clips from it. So this is mama Rosie shamy. her two 500 00:33:03,930 --> 00:33:07,140 daughters, because they chose to have children. And I want to be 501 00:33:07,140 --> 00:33:09,870 clear those children were not basters they were married to 502 00:33:09,870 --> 00:33:14,070 their husbands. But they didn't go on and get any education. And 503 00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:16,440 you hear the shaming from mother mama Rosie. 504 00:33:17,550 --> 00:33:23,430 And you hear the their father and ma D My dear, which is I 505 00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:27,870 think just long for modern Medea is spelled the same way without 506 00:33:27,870 --> 00:33:31,650 the AR. I mean with the AR Excuse me, but you hear her 507 00:33:31,650 --> 00:33:34,770 shaman light. I don't see anywhere your graduation 508 00:33:34,770 --> 00:33:38,100 pictures up there. And you hear the term the father use that 509 00:33:38,100 --> 00:33:41,010 y'all got caught, huh? Yeah. 510 00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:48,210 So this is where that feature comes from? The it's the same 511 00:33:48,210 --> 00:33:52,350 thing in society. It's the elitist mentality that education 512 00:33:52,590 --> 00:33:56,970 or formal education puts you in a higher standard in society. 513 00:33:59,580 --> 00:34:03,330 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's absolutely true. Sure. And then 514 00:34:03,330 --> 00:34:06,990 the hierarchy on the women's side is educated Mom, you know, 515 00:34:06,990 --> 00:34:09,900 think cuz it's like, it's the hierarchy of your educated 516 00:34:09,900 --> 00:34:14,370 career woman and Mom, you have educated career Mormon without 517 00:34:14,370 --> 00:34:18,210 being a mom. And then you have like, kinda like the mom. And 518 00:34:18,210 --> 00:34:19,710 then you have the, you know, 519 00:34:20,910 --> 00:34:24,450 the woman without like, it's like single month that where she 520 00:34:24,450 --> 00:34:27,120 might be, excuse me, the single mother at the very top, but at 521 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:28,140 the very bottom of it 522 00:34:29,340 --> 00:34:33,840 is the woman that is married with children, and no formal 523 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,090 education or career. 524 00:34:38,970 --> 00:34:41,670 It's very sad. I mean, like I said, it's one reason why I'm 525 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:48,060 bringing this up is this is the globalist plan to drive a wedge 526 00:34:48,060 --> 00:34:53,430 between the natural order of men and women. We can both coexist. 527 00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:58,380 Well if you use technology in its proper form, if you use all 528 00:34:58,380 --> 00:34:59,970 the things that the society has 529 00:35:00,539 --> 00:35:03,479 It's not a bad society by no means. 530 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,250 But it's the pressure that they put on through these people like 531 00:35:08,250 --> 00:35:12,450 Megan, the stallion, for the people that Maxine Waters 532 00:35:12,450 --> 00:35:13,170 serves. 533 00:35:14,580 --> 00:35:17,760 The question that immediately pops to mind, I'm maxine waters. 534 00:35:19,380 --> 00:35:22,440 When you say this is the plan, and of course I'm all in, I'm 535 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,780 all in with you. I'm just hearing people saying, well, 536 00:35:24,780 --> 00:35:28,650 who's making this plan? And when did this plan come up? And why 537 00:35:28,650 --> 00:35:31,380 are they doing it? And is it Are they really conscious that 538 00:35:31,380 --> 00:35:33,870 they're doing it when I'm Maxine Waters, I think is very 539 00:35:33,870 --> 00:35:35,160 conscious of what she's doing. 540 00:35:37,050 --> 00:35:41,340 Maxine Waters job is to harness votes to manage this. That's her 541 00:35:41,340 --> 00:35:46,440 only job. She goes out harness votes by being Auntie Maxine, 542 00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:49,110 right but she's got some real we talked about is a 543 00:35:50,370 --> 00:35:55,650 real subversive stuff she saying though? Yes, she sees it worse. 544 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,310 I mean, she's a witch. I mean, like me, and if you want to talk 545 00:35:59,310 --> 00:36:02,790 about witchcraft and the term we use as being controlling, yeah, 546 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,230 she's a mash master witch or, you know, whatever. You have 547 00:36:07,230 --> 00:36:11,460 their ranking grant the Grand Poobah? Yeah, yeah, it's no, 548 00:36:11,490 --> 00:36:14,820 it's no wonder why. And the thing is, and she resonates with 549 00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:20,280 women that target voters because she's done it right. She's ran 550 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,530 the gamut. She has children and she has a career. 551 00:36:23,970 --> 00:36:26,340 Um, but at the same time, 552 00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:31,140 they shouldn't like say it's the shaming is the shaming tactic. 553 00:36:31,410 --> 00:36:34,140 And I'm just going to the root of it by using this movie. You 554 00:36:34,140 --> 00:36:37,650 heard her saying, but it's, and I don't want to dehumanize Mama, 555 00:36:37,650 --> 00:36:40,920 Rosie, Mama, Rosie's coming from the place of if you have 556 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,790 education, then all your choices are your choices, which I don't 557 00:36:45,060 --> 00:36:48,270 disagree with. I don't disagree with that. That's true. 558 00:36:49,980 --> 00:36:52,740 If you have some kind of education, but it's the formal 559 00:36:52,740 --> 00:36:56,130 education I have the problem with, yeah. There's so many 560 00:36:56,130 --> 00:36:59,730 crafts and skills and talents that you got harnessed. I mean, 561 00:36:59,730 --> 00:37:01,410 hell, we're doing it now. I mean, just look at 562 00:37:03,150 --> 00:37:06,540 the breakdown the phone wall for a minute. That's what we're 563 00:37:06,540 --> 00:37:10,590 doing. And it's, well, like I said, I wish to say his 564 00:37:12,750 --> 00:37:17,130 his hard work wearing the pants. We as black people are steady 565 00:37:17,130 --> 00:37:20,010 wrestling for the pants. And we're like, you don't want these 566 00:37:20,010 --> 00:37:20,940 pants Trust me. 567 00:37:23,370 --> 00:37:27,480 In what it does is just makes these people rely on the system 568 00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:30,330 in one way or the other. As you think about it, if you're a 569 00:37:30,330 --> 00:37:33,420 single mother and you're working, what are they pushing? 570 00:37:33,630 --> 00:37:36,720 Well, you have this is very pre pre K. Yeah, this is this is 571 00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:38,940 kind of this is courageous what you're doing here because I 572 00:37:38,940 --> 00:37:39,870 think most 573 00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:44,130 men on I'm sorry, that's not fair to say. I think there's 574 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,720 there's a large segment that are like, Hey, you know what, once 575 00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:51,030 you tried for a while, once you try these pants on where you're 576 00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:53,850 saying, you know, I just want to let you know the pants kind of 577 00:37:53,850 --> 00:37:54,900 suck sometimes. 578 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,520 And to be honest with you, that's what we need this, I 579 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,630 can't say that. I can't, I can say it from my perspective, that 580 00:38:03,630 --> 00:38:06,240 you don't want to have these pants. But what I'm trying to 581 00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:09,990 do, and I hope other men will try to do is this is just my 582 00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:14,640 perspective, make it safe. For women that have went through it 583 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,510 to say that that's not the move, right? You want to do, right? 584 00:38:18,510 --> 00:38:22,530 And then for women that are you know, actually being wives and 585 00:38:22,530 --> 00:38:26,610 mothers, and we come off the bottom, we want to take them 586 00:38:26,610 --> 00:38:29,010 with us, right? It's like you're saying because like we're the 587 00:38:29,010 --> 00:38:33,570 bottom bottom. With that thin layer on top of there. It's just 588 00:38:33,570 --> 00:38:36,750 gonna say black married women happily married women with 589 00:38:36,750 --> 00:38:40,650 children. Like that. That's that thin layer on top of the bottom 590 00:38:40,650 --> 00:38:44,760 called black men. And their shit. They're shamed the most. I 591 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,460 mean, like, I mean, you see, look at look at Candace Owens. 592 00:38:49,260 --> 00:38:53,130 Me and caught me and Candace, I agree with or something I don't 593 00:38:53,130 --> 00:38:55,980 agree with or something. I'm just saying that if she had a 594 00:38:55,980 --> 00:38:56,610 different 595 00:38:58,140 --> 00:39:00,810 message, she would be that she would be the next Oprah. 596 00:39:02,010 --> 00:39:06,270 What message? It's like, No, no, no, she's dark skinned. She's 597 00:39:06,270 --> 00:39:09,000 attractive. All the key points that be woke. You know? 598 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,990 What it's like, Oh, you got the wrong. Wrong Wrong message. Yep, 599 00:39:12,990 --> 00:39:13,260 man. 600 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,490 So we have to shame you and look at the shaming maybe over there. 601 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,290 I mean, that's why I say shame is a 602 00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:22,560 through line through this whole episode, because that's the 603 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,180 number one weapon for control. 604 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:30,420 AKA witchcraft. It is going early. Oh, wow. It is also the 605 00:39:30,420 --> 00:39:35,130 number one recommended mechanism. Yes, I may read it in 606 00:39:35,130 --> 00:39:37,620 the press all the time politician said we need to call 607 00:39:37,620 --> 00:39:41,550 these people out. They need to be shamed. This was this and 608 00:39:41,550 --> 00:39:45,690 this started with Obama, the shaming the use of the word of 609 00:39:45,690 --> 00:39:49,650 not him necessarily, but during that time period, shaming, 610 00:39:49,650 --> 00:39:52,560 calling, I think Obama was big on cut, we're gonna call you 611 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,740 out. Well, the way I look at is like this. I don't think it 612 00:39:55,740 --> 00:39:59,160 started with Obama. I think Obama came in at the time of 613 00:39:59,160 --> 00:39:59,970 social media. 614 00:40:00,900 --> 00:40:03,840 So social media is the platform for shaming. 615 00:40:05,609 --> 00:40:07,079 What we call canceling roasting 616 00:40:08,340 --> 00:40:12,960 with him. And what happened was the younger crowd that were 617 00:40:13,380 --> 00:40:18,210 computer savvy were more liberal at the time. So they were able 618 00:40:18,210 --> 00:40:22,710 to use these means and other methods to attack and they 619 00:40:23,790 --> 00:40:26,730 caught up quickly. And they perfect they perfected the 620 00:40:26,730 --> 00:40:29,100 mechanism. They learned how to do it. They learned what words 621 00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:32,790 to use, they use how to do it, and to do it in very short 622 00:40:32,820 --> 00:40:35,310 sentences, etc. Right. 623 00:40:37,980 --> 00:40:40,980 You choose to sign as a conservative like I pledge, it 624 00:40:40,980 --> 00:40:42,900 was a pledge or something like all of them had to sign it. 625 00:40:42,900 --> 00:40:45,900 Right. Like they're not like the republican pledge or something. 626 00:40:45,930 --> 00:40:49,740 Yes, that's what I mean. So those What I'm saying is, those 627 00:40:49,740 --> 00:40:53,460 became a pledge online. It's like you got to align to this. 628 00:40:53,490 --> 00:40:56,460 And I'll say the conservatives have the better means. I mean, 629 00:40:56,460 --> 00:40:58,380 they're they are mean masters. 630 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:05,040 I mean, just look at me as being unbiased. Because it's the the 631 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,950 you have so much hypocrisy. The magic of a meme is the 632 00:41:07,950 --> 00:41:08,850 hypocrisy, right? 633 00:41:11,490 --> 00:41:15,720 So um, let's get that I think we stopped this six. Let's go on to 634 00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:16,380 seven. 635 00:41:19,830 --> 00:41:23,490 Call she's gonna pull me through the you know, when she get her 636 00:41:23,490 --> 00:41:26,010 diploma, she can come back in teach. 637 00:41:29,250 --> 00:41:34,050 Teacher, Mama. For me, you go in the sun white woman's getting to 638 00:41:34,050 --> 00:41:37,920 live with the fan one working there. So what is the sense in 639 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:42,090 spending all that time and some fancy college just to come out 640 00:41:42,090 --> 00:41:44,700 and work in the kitchen? ain't gonna happen to my 641 00:41:46,410 --> 00:41:47,970 mama. No. 642 00:41:50,010 --> 00:41:51,870 Because she's smart. That's why 643 00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:56,520 she doesn't want all kinds of awards and scholarships, and 644 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,200 they can't mess with you when you're smart. 645 00:41:59,820 --> 00:42:04,620 The spiritualists told me that a child was called make me happy 646 00:42:04,620 --> 00:42:05,190 one day. 647 00:42:06,420 --> 00:42:08,130 Now you can go now you all 648 00:42:09,420 --> 00:42:09,990 know your 649 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:15,420 dad's a mess. 650 00:42:17,730 --> 00:42:20,790 can't take that away from you. Right here. Yeah, it's the same 651 00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:22,380 thing. Maxine Waters said, Yeah. 652 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,060 Like I said, this is a running, which I'm not dumping on 653 00:42:27,060 --> 00:42:31,500 education. That's not what I'm doing. The problem is, you go 654 00:42:31,500 --> 00:42:36,720 off to these universities. And you trust everything they say, 655 00:42:37,110 --> 00:42:40,470 to be true to all they have to do is poison what they feed you 656 00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:45,870 at the universities to keep you out? No, they don't keep you out 657 00:42:45,870 --> 00:42:49,170 of the universities, they. And really, if you want to think 658 00:42:49,170 --> 00:42:54,360 sinister, you're saying just from a dark place. If you want 659 00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:55,350 to control 660 00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:02,280 pop the people, the population or you know, Stan society, you 661 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,580 put your smartest and brightest and give the classes at a very 662 00:43:05,580 --> 00:43:09,540 young age and you steer them there. And you make sure that 663 00:43:09,540 --> 00:43:14,430 those advanced classes have certain curriculum that are 664 00:43:14,460 --> 00:43:19,200 mandated by the endowments given by the largest philanthropic 665 00:43:19,350 --> 00:43:23,790 organizations in the world. Correct. Because that money is 666 00:43:23,820 --> 00:43:27,390 earmarked. It goes in and says here you go. As long as it's 667 00:43:27,390 --> 00:43:31,740 social justice classes, you can use it. And we saw that with all 668 00:43:31,740 --> 00:43:35,670 these companies coming out black women 10,010,000,000 5 million, 669 00:43:35,970 --> 00:43:39,030 right? Yeah, that's they say you have to come under our 670 00:43:39,030 --> 00:43:43,470 understanding to get this money. And this is where you get 671 00:43:43,470 --> 00:43:46,680 massage noir from. This is where you get hopper bizarre, which is 672 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,200 not a blatten publication or even a black targeted 673 00:43:49,230 --> 00:43:52,140 publication. writing about this stuff. 674 00:43:53,700 --> 00:43:59,010 Yeah, right. They don't want that. They want they want they 675 00:43:59,010 --> 00:44:01,740 want what what Harper's Bazaar, and I have to look into enough 676 00:44:01,740 --> 00:44:05,370 to do a quick check. You own to what Harper's Bazaar wants is 677 00:44:05,370 --> 00:44:09,000 they want they obviously want readers but they want control. 678 00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:11,610 Look at you got all the ends of the spectrum. You got Maxine 679 00:44:11,610 --> 00:44:14,940 Waters on your cover with Megan, the stallion? I mean, how could 680 00:44:14,940 --> 00:44:17,520 you do any better from a commercial standpoint, which I 681 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:21,030 think is what they're always motivated by? I don't think so. 682 00:44:23,010 --> 00:44:26,220 I don't think what I'm saying is by then, and 683 00:44:27,570 --> 00:44:30,780 I think you brought up something on raaga show, shameless plug 684 00:44:33,810 --> 00:44:39,600 ESG or ETS issues environmental, social corporate governance, 685 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,560 right. That's what these companies are more. And it's not 686 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,710 that what I'm saying specifically, but their 687 00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:50,190 posturing is more important than profits right now. Now, in fact, 688 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,610 what what i what i said on the Rogen show is the ESG, which 689 00:44:53,610 --> 00:44:57,720 includes in climate change and woke thinking, let me just put 690 00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:00,000 it that way, and you can go to the biggest company 691 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,810 In the world and see their ESG Raytheon has great examples. Now 692 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:04,950 it's in the news. 693 00:45:06,629 --> 00:45:10,169 So the executives of the corporation and shareholders 694 00:45:10,199 --> 00:45:14,249 benefit by adhering to these 695 00:45:15,509 --> 00:45:20,189 really non business goals. to a large degree, we're showing that 696 00:45:20,189 --> 00:45:22,469 they're woke or short showing that they're climate change. 697 00:45:22,499 --> 00:45:24,869 They're on board with climate change, regardless of whether 698 00:45:24,869 --> 00:45:27,509 it's true or not. Because that will have then they're more 699 00:45:27,509 --> 00:45:30,749 investable. When you're more investable, the stock price goes 700 00:45:30,749 --> 00:45:33,029 up the people who are running the corporation win. 701 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,110 And that's exactly why they target black women cuz it's a 702 00:45:37,110 --> 00:45:37,980 double win. 703 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,930 It's so yeah, so it's financially driven for the for 704 00:45:42,930 --> 00:45:43,740 the East Coast and it's 705 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,900 well funded. Wow. Okay. Let me be clear. I'm not talking about 706 00:45:48,900 --> 00:45:51,270 short term profits. I mean, that's what I'm saying. They're 707 00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:55,050 not focused on that. They're focused on being established. 708 00:45:55,140 --> 00:45:58,650 I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's compartmentalised. I'm sorry. I 709 00:45:58,650 --> 00:46:02,220 think I didn't explain that. Right. The people who were at 710 00:46:02,250 --> 00:46:08,010 Harper's Bazaar, which is owned by Hearst, and hers in Dvorak 711 00:46:08,010 --> 00:46:13,500 knows Hearst very well, and it's it's really about profit. Of 712 00:46:13,500 --> 00:46:15,600 course there's a lot of social justice stuff in there but 713 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:20,250 that's one level above the excitement for an editorial team 714 00:46:20,250 --> 00:46:23,910 to get maxine waters and Megan, the stallion. They are being 715 00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:27,630 used as my point. Harper's Bazaar is not doing anything out 716 00:46:27,630 --> 00:46:31,530 of their own accord. Right? We can agree on that. I mean, I 717 00:46:31,530 --> 00:46:34,710 want to make sure that the people that made the phone call 718 00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:38,160 to get Meghan the stallion on that cover are not working out 719 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:42,660 of profits. They're working out of we need to get these her 720 00:46:42,660 --> 00:46:47,760 resume built up new york times as a op ed. Now she has helped 721 00:46:47,850 --> 00:46:52,260 us are is because she's going to be so vague. I mean, and let me 722 00:46:52,260 --> 00:46:55,110 just I'll skip back something real quick with the talk about 723 00:46:55,110 --> 00:46:58,770 education. The reason why they choose a magnet stallion is 724 00:46:59,670 --> 00:47:03,930 cardi B failed. She went too far. She screwed it up. Well, 725 00:47:03,930 --> 00:47:07,710 no, cardi B is seen as not my words Candace Owens worse 726 00:47:07,740 --> 00:47:08,760 illiterate. Yeah. 727 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:14,400 And that was a bad look. So he like we need somebody that 728 00:47:14,430 --> 00:47:18,540 actually can actually put string 10 words together. Yes. And her 729 00:47:18,540 --> 00:47:22,590 moment was with Anthony Fauci. And that's where she failed. 730 00:47:23,490 --> 00:47:26,220 Well, her mom was was with Joe Biden and even 731 00:47:27,690 --> 00:47:31,110 true truth and that's exactly what they want out of 24 they'll 732 00:47:31,110 --> 00:47:34,830 be talking to whoever the Democratic candidate is will be 733 00:47:34,830 --> 00:47:38,520 talking to my boy Yes, I got you. I got you. We talked about 734 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,290 that. I'm 63 as good as we 735 00:47:41,310 --> 00:47:44,400 were, I'm just saying so that's the whole point of this is we 736 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,920 have to build it so it's all you know, mega she's credible 737 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,550 because she was bizarre. She was on New York time. irregardless, 738 00:47:50,820 --> 00:47:55,170 nobody's going to buy that magazine. Except for maybe Megan 739 00:47:55,170 --> 00:48:00,990 stands. Um, but it's the point of is validates her the same way 740 00:48:01,020 --> 00:48:04,380 a degree validates, you know, it's the same validation 741 00:48:04,380 --> 00:48:08,220 process, of course, the same way. Same way a video on YouTube 742 00:48:08,220 --> 00:48:09,960 with Steve Jobs validates me 743 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,640 putting it out there but and then how Joe Rogan revalidated 744 00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:22,740 me in that that's what we're trying to get away from. 745 00:48:23,850 --> 00:48:28,050 Right We want to say the talent show validates you I mean, and 746 00:48:28,050 --> 00:48:31,740 yours Do you mean you're not saying Oh, you're just famous 747 00:48:31,740 --> 00:48:34,650 for being famous? like Dude, I'm saving podcast two times. I 748 00:48:34,650 --> 00:48:35,760 mean, what did you do this morning? 749 00:48:37,980 --> 00:48:40,860 thing right or, I mean with that's what I try to do here 750 00:48:40,860 --> 00:48:44,130 when we bring that's the problem with this word quick. Beside 751 00:48:44,370 --> 00:48:46,950 that's why value for value is important. I had to come up with 752 00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:50,760 the value to receive the value back Absolutely. Boost us baby 753 00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:53,850 if you're if you're listening in a podcasting 2.0 app. Go ahead 754 00:48:53,850 --> 00:48:58,380 new podcast. apps.com boost us now. Thank you. So now moving I 755 00:48:58,380 --> 00:49:01,560 think we started to seven less getting a and we weren't. Okay, 756 00:49:01,590 --> 00:49:05,160 let me set this up for one quick minute. Now okay. Rosie returns 757 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:06,840 home from talking with her 758 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:08,970 perfect husband. 759 00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:11,700 And 760 00:49:13,020 --> 00:49:16,740 mama wrote me Excuse me, my dear sister. Something we're off with 761 00:49:16,740 --> 00:49:21,000 her. So they engage in the conversation that kind of turned 762 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:26,040 South really fast. Rosie young girls a no babies and Nita you 763 00:49:26,670 --> 00:49:29,370 It's a sin for a woman a younger you to be walking around here 764 00:49:29,370 --> 00:49:32,670 burning. God didn't mean for us to burn like that, you know? 765 00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,000 interpretated that vibe to you that way, just so he could get 766 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:40,020 happier than 767 00:49:41,850 --> 00:49:45,600 it was. But nobody else don't have to tell me that when it 768 00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,980 comes to nature. That Bible belongs on the shelf. Not 769 00:49:49,980 --> 00:49:50,610 myself. 770 00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:53,700 You know, I know where you got the ideas from. 771 00:49:58,140 --> 00:49:59,970 If I didn't know leaving you with that. Oh, 772 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,300 A woman was gonna make this megaphone you. I'd rather give 773 00:50:03,300 --> 00:50:06,420 Jill away and never seen you again. Yeah, come pretty close 774 00:50:06,420 --> 00:50:07,650 to doing as opposed 775 00:50:13,620 --> 00:50:14,790 to forget babesia Rosie 776 00:50:17,369 --> 00:50:19,739 onto debt. Let me Forget it. Mama. 777 00:50:21,090 --> 00:50:24,810 Morning, noon and night. If it wasn't for your mama leaving 778 00:50:24,810 --> 00:50:26,850 your Daddy, I wouldn't be fooling with him. 779 00:50:28,590 --> 00:50:31,890 was just the beginning. What does she say? You're walking on 780 00:50:31,890 --> 00:50:35,730 here burning? Is that what she said? Yeah. Mama Rosie, what? 781 00:50:35,730 --> 00:50:38,430 Mommy my deal with a hot girl. Oh, okay. 782 00:50:39,630 --> 00:50:41,820 Vernon. Okay, I just had to figure out the slang Got it? 783 00:50:41,850 --> 00:50:44,520 Yeah, what she's mean is like you're saying like horny, 784 00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:44,970 basically. 785 00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:53,190 Um, but this is everybody thinks morality is linear, right? It 786 00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:56,580 was like super moral. And we just kind of drifted down like 787 00:50:56,610 --> 00:51:01,050 in a linear fashion to depravity or wherever we're at now. Um, 788 00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:05,100 no, that's not how it works. Like we had this weird fault and 789 00:51:05,100 --> 00:51:09,060 I'm going somewhere so you got to follow me. Okay, so my dear 790 00:51:09,510 --> 00:51:15,450 is Rosie's Mama. And the girls, the daughters. The one had kids 791 00:51:15,450 --> 00:51:17,850 and the one that likes to dance grandma. 792 00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:25,260 So she went and left mama Rosie with her Auntie while she was 793 00:51:25,290 --> 00:51:26,100 out being hot. 794 00:51:28,110 --> 00:51:31,500 Now she has to come back and live with mama Rosie and she got 795 00:51:31,530 --> 00:51:34,290 Aroha live in boyfriend that pays her rent for her. 796 00:51:36,660 --> 00:51:40,770 Now you see now she's like well, I got needs he was saying at the 797 00:51:40,770 --> 00:51:45,660 same time mama Rosie looking at like her mama like you left me 798 00:51:46,770 --> 00:51:48,390 and you don't only have nowhere to live 799 00:51:49,500 --> 00:51:50,940 and you still worried about a man? 800 00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,050 Do you see these dynamics playing out and the thing is if 801 00:51:55,050 --> 00:51:59,460 you do the age right. My idea would be a flapper 802 00:52:00,750 --> 00:52:06,150 fly for me. A flapper clapper. clapper is basically what like a 803 00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:10,320 hot girl is back in the 1920s he's like wearing this 100 year 804 00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:10,980 fold. 805 00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:12,960 Ha 806 00:52:14,070 --> 00:52:16,980 Yeah, well, yeah, that's it. That's an interesting way of the 807 00:52:16,980 --> 00:52:17,880 fold. Yeah. 808 00:52:18,930 --> 00:52:21,390 So the 1920s the roaring 20s. 809 00:52:23,340 --> 00:52:27,210 The Wild 20s that's where we're at right now. flappers were a 810 00:52:27,210 --> 00:52:30,150 generation of young Western women in the 1920s, who wore 811 00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:33,720 shirt skirts. Knee height was considered short mob their hair 812 00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:37,620 listened to jazz which was you know, which was the Megane which 813 00:52:37,620 --> 00:52:41,670 was the cardi B of the time, or perceived as such, and flaunted 814 00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:44,700 their disdain for what was then of course drugs. It was then 815 00:52:44,700 --> 00:52:47,430 considered acceptable behavior. flappers were seen as brash for 816 00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:50,280 wearing excessive makeup drinking alcohol. Okay, I got I 817 00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:51,510 got I got you covered. 818 00:52:54,570 --> 00:52:58,170 The quintessential symbol of the 1920s. You can recognize them 819 00:52:58,170 --> 00:53:01,140 immediately by their fashion, their dancing and their sex 820 00:53:01,140 --> 00:53:05,340 appeal. But Who were they? How did they become flappers? Let's 821 00:53:05,340 --> 00:53:05,940 find out. 822 00:53:11,610 --> 00:53:14,640 The origins of the word flapper are a little bit foggy and since 823 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:18,300 it originated in slang, but some sources say that flapper was 824 00:53:18,300 --> 00:53:21,240 once used to refer to young prostitutes in England and 825 00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:24,180 developed into a word referring to excitable teenage girls. 826 00:53:25,380 --> 00:53:28,320 The rise of the American flapper had its beginnings in the social 827 00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,740 climate at the end of World War One. It had been a brutal, 828 00:53:31,770 --> 00:53:34,500 bloody war that had killed millions of people often 829 00:53:34,500 --> 00:53:38,520 pointlessly Following the war, a massive Spanish flu pandemic 830 00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,640 swept the world was the deadliest in human history while 831 00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:45,480 killing millions of others. Many began to realize that their life 832 00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,330 could be much shorter than they realized. They could die for 833 00:53:48,330 --> 00:53:52,140 reasons completely beyond their control. Young people especially 834 00:53:52,140 --> 00:53:55,230 took this to heart. Those who are in the prime of their life 835 00:53:55,290 --> 00:53:58,140 opted for fun and pleasure instead of wallowing in the woes 836 00:53:58,140 --> 00:54:03,240 of their situation. Wow, important clip, very important 837 00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:09,150 clip for in any context of this period. This is I see this 838 00:54:09,150 --> 00:54:13,770 happening. This is only fans This is everything the pandemic 839 00:54:13,830 --> 00:54:18,330 bowl my good, right, exactly, exactly. And we've and we just 840 00:54:18,330 --> 00:54:22,740 ended the war. 20 Years War ended a war and we've gone 841 00:54:22,740 --> 00:54:26,160 through a pandemic, and I'm everybody not great. Let 842 00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,730 everybody know now we're going to experience experience a 843 00:54:29,730 --> 00:54:30,930 sexual tsunami. 844 00:54:32,070 --> 00:54:37,050 The I believe you I was drawn now oh is drive drunk. And 845 00:54:37,050 --> 00:54:40,800 everybody's gonna walk up to see when water go. As soon as they 846 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:45,090 say it's open back up. 100% you're about to see something 847 00:54:45,090 --> 00:54:47,850 that you net. Well, we've seen it before. And this is why we do 848 00:54:47,850 --> 00:54:50,370 this show because you had to look backwards to see for it. 849 00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:57,930 Holy crap, this good Mo. I love this. And this is why my dear, 850 00:54:58,050 --> 00:54:59,970 you're saying she left her child. 851 00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,480 He lines up with flapper age. And 852 00:55:04,620 --> 00:55:08,640 this is the attitude that had. And to give you an idea of a 853 00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:12,210 black flapper, think should Avery from the color purple. 854 00:55:12,420 --> 00:55:14,700 That's just to give you an idea and we're going to go deeper and 855 00:55:15,210 --> 00:55:18,480 explore deeper into f shirt every but let's continue on with 856 00:55:18,510 --> 00:55:22,440 a flapper to women were finally able to vote in the 1920 857 00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,350 presidential election, allowing them to have more influence in 858 00:55:25,350 --> 00:55:28,950 shaping their society. Women were also better able to get 859 00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:31,920 jobs by the 1920s. And they could often earn enough money to 860 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,470 be self sufficient and spend their money however they want to 861 00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:34,770 do. 862 00:55:36,660 --> 00:55:39,570 A little bit earlier that same year, the 18th amendment had 863 00:55:39,570 --> 00:55:42,510 also passed which prohibited the production, sale and 864 00:55:42,510 --> 00:55:45,960 transportation of alcohol. The prohibition movement had been 865 00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,150 championed in large part by progressives as well as 866 00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:51,180 religious leaders who believe that alcohol was a poison and 867 00:55:51,180 --> 00:55:51,750 society 868 00:55:52,770 --> 00:55:55,560 flappers to to drinking alcohol partly because it was illegal 869 00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:59,160 and therefore exciting, and it also contributed to their devil 870 00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:00,000 may care attitude. 871 00:56:01,770 --> 00:56:04,350 Women's increasing freedom and the youth who are looking to get 872 00:56:04,350 --> 00:56:07,140 the best out of life began to lead to the creation of the 873 00:56:07,140 --> 00:56:11,040 flapper. flappers were a direct challenge to the conservatism of 874 00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:15,030 the Victorian and Edwardian era of so many young women no longer 875 00:56:15,030 --> 00:56:17,610 wanted to be confined to a tight fitting corset will be 876 00:56:17,610 --> 00:56:21,000 restricted only to formal ballroom dancing. They wanted to 877 00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,460 express their newfound desire for pleasure and all of its 878 00:56:23,460 --> 00:56:24,000 forms. 879 00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,260 The development of flappers was also helped along with the 880 00:56:28,260 --> 00:56:32,610 growing movie culture of the late 1910s and early 1920s. The 881 00:56:32,610 --> 00:56:35,460 glamour of Hollywood with all this hedonistic glory, it was a 882 00:56:35,460 --> 00:56:39,030 constant beacon for young people, actresses wear makeup, 883 00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,130 or something which had previously been associated with 884 00:56:41,130 --> 00:56:44,430 prostitutes. But now it was a symbol of glamour and the 885 00:56:44,430 --> 00:56:45,750 freedom to look as one one. 886 00:56:48,570 --> 00:56:52,050 Let me give you the analogy. I love this. tripping me up the 887 00:56:52,050 --> 00:56:55,590 analogy, the only thing that's changed so we had the war World 888 00:56:55,590 --> 00:56:58,170 War One, right, we had Afghanistan, you could name five 889 00:56:58,170 --> 00:56:58,800 other wars. 890 00:57:00,090 --> 00:57:03,270 We had, we had the pandemic, which the same as the flu 891 00:57:03,270 --> 00:57:08,640 pandemic. Except it's not Hollywood is Tick tock, and it's 892 00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:13,200 Instagram, social media. We haven't had social media for 893 00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:18,600 even 20 years yet, right? We're still I mean, what 2007 maybe 894 00:57:21,690 --> 00:57:25,320 Twitter and Facebook both came on the scene and YouTube in the 895 00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:29,760 2006 to 2008 timeframe. You cannot count social media pre 896 00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:34,230 smartphone. There was a lot of people wasn't really into it. 897 00:57:34,260 --> 00:57:38,070 But I'm saying like the maybe the smartphone might be the new 898 00:57:38,070 --> 00:57:41,610 technology for the iPhone. The iPhone came out. And yes, I 899 00:57:41,610 --> 00:57:45,930 think the iPhone came out in 2007. Yes, that's that's why I'm 900 00:57:45,930 --> 00:57:48,990 going off of because that would that's the portal. Yeah, I mean, 901 00:57:49,020 --> 00:57:53,280 there's social media and message board has always existed. But we 902 00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:57,120 can pipe right into your like television with those 1950s June 903 00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:02,130 2020s with movies and June 28 2007. So right, right around 904 00:58:02,130 --> 00:58:05,670 this time, too. Yeah, so we're 16 years in 905 00:58:07,230 --> 00:58:12,300 now. 15 years. 614 years. Excuse me. Oh, so yeah. 906 00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:14,910 We're, 907 00:58:16,020 --> 00:58:20,130 I think we're heading for another 20 I mean, these 20 but 908 00:58:20,130 --> 00:58:23,070 you see it lining up and the thing with makeup, it's about 909 00:58:23,070 --> 00:58:25,980 who you want to be. And I know people like where are you going 910 00:58:25,980 --> 00:58:29,310 with this but we have to go look back and I don't care where 911 00:58:29,310 --> 00:58:32,550 you're going. I'm just holding on for dear life. We have to go 912 00:58:32,550 --> 00:58:36,360 back and look at mama Rosie's and my dears relationship. 913 00:58:37,590 --> 00:58:40,410 She didn't do what she needed to do in life and now she's a 914 00:58:40,410 --> 00:58:44,850 burden quote unquote burden on her daughter. I mean, we have 915 00:58:44,850 --> 00:58:48,030 these what's going to be a lot of combined living within family 916 00:58:48,030 --> 00:58:52,260 structure being disrupted away it is we live in and I want this 917 00:58:52,260 --> 00:58:56,670 raw say this. This is the biggest fantasy that we have. We 918 00:58:56,670 --> 00:59:00,000 live in a to paycheck society. 919 00:59:01,650 --> 00:59:05,850 Get that through your head, whether it's a roommate, whether 920 00:59:05,850 --> 00:59:10,950 it's whoever is a mother and daughter living together, it 921 00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:13,410 doesn't matter. There's practically no way you can 922 00:59:13,410 --> 00:59:18,180 afford anything without a two paycheck. Master trick because 923 00:59:18,180 --> 00:59:21,810 this independence they sell you is you're gonna have to live 924 00:59:21,810 --> 00:59:22,620 with somebody. 925 00:59:24,630 --> 00:59:28,710 Right? Very few people make enough money. And what I mean by 926 00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:33,630 few is percentage wise, that can pay everything they want to pay 927 00:59:33,630 --> 00:59:35,220 and live the life of 928 00:59:36,870 --> 00:59:39,060 conspicuous consumption anyone participating. 929 00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:41,040 True. 930 00:59:42,690 --> 00:59:44,910 So I mean, I just wanted me I just want to lay that out there 931 00:59:44,910 --> 00:59:49,140 and one more fun fact isn't amazing how the course set was a 932 00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:55,530 Asana restriction. And now it's like the the one symbolism like 933 00:59:55,530 --> 00:59:58,620 have sex work. Yeah, you want Yeah, well, you want to have 934 00:59:58,620 --> 01:00:00,000 that really tight corset for 935 01:00:00,630 --> 01:00:03,600 For the curves, but these women flapper we're trying to shed 936 01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,960 that. That is interesting. That's crazy, right? I just 937 01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,060 thought I mean, it said the fun fact I thought that kind of 938 01:00:09,060 --> 01:00:10,290 interesting. Oh, 939 01:00:11,610 --> 01:00:14,730 let's move on to number 11 was still a prototype for the 940 01:00:14,730 --> 01:00:17,580 flapper that was to appear in the following years. Thomas's 941 01:00:17,580 --> 01:00:20,760 character shows all the basic characteristics, longing for 942 01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,430 pleasure and fun, and drastically changing her fashion 943 01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:26,340 and appearance. She even tried smoking a cigarette for the 944 01:00:26,340 --> 01:00:29,430 first time, something that was also related to flappers because 945 01:00:29,430 --> 01:00:32,610 it was a symbol of freedom. Music was also important in the 946 01:00:32,610 --> 01:00:34,920 development of the collaborating, jazz music had 947 01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,860 emerged largely in black communities, particularly in New 948 01:00:37,860 --> 01:00:41,340 Orleans, and the previous decades. After the first jazz 949 01:00:41,340 --> 01:00:43,950 records were recorded by the original Dixieland jazz band in 950 01:00:43,950 --> 01:00:48,240 1917. The trend caught fire across the country or an earlier 951 01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,940 prototype of the flapper attitude can be seen in singers 952 01:00:50,940 --> 01:00:54,060 such as Marian Harris, who transitioned into an early jazz 953 01:00:54,060 --> 01:00:58,410 vocalist beginning around 1917. Her showy jazz tunes filled with 954 01:00:58,410 --> 01:01:01,620 personality or channel that helped to further bring jazz to 955 01:01:01,620 --> 01:01:02,400 white communities. 956 01:01:04,710 --> 01:01:07,500 Jazz became a staple for flappers because it was fast, 957 01:01:07,530 --> 01:01:11,070 fun and great for dancing. It was also stormed by the older 958 01:01:11,070 --> 01:01:14,280 generation for being too risky and too closely associated with 959 01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:18,450 black communities. Jazz was not just music, but also a social 960 01:01:18,450 --> 01:01:22,320 force. The ideal setting for a flapper would be dancing to fast 961 01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:25,260 jazz music while wearing a short dress and drinking illegal 962 01:01:25,260 --> 01:01:28,980 alcohol and smoking cigarettes. This was the epitome of 963 01:01:28,980 --> 01:01:30,060 rebellion at that time. 964 01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:34,140 Using rebel rebellion have been a common theme seen in every 965 01:01:34,140 --> 01:01:37,110 generation since the 1920s. Just in different forms. 966 01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:40,260 Enter the torque 967 01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:46,290 and trap and trap yes and tick tock tick tock dances the work 968 01:01:46,290 --> 01:01:47,910 done to what trap Yep. 969 01:01:49,110 --> 01:01:53,640 It's the sign in as he said it's a channel jazz was a channel 970 01:01:53,970 --> 01:01:55,200 into white communities 971 01:01:57,450 --> 01:02:00,870 while making this even more valuable, because she makes the 972 01:02:00,870 --> 01:02:05,580 music that the tick tock is made to comment they have a really 973 01:02:05,580 --> 01:02:08,880 sophisticated the whole process have it took them 100 years, but 974 01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,840 they really got it down now. They have it well. And the thing 975 01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:16,680 was, this is the first time ever that marketing to youth 976 01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:20,280 rebellion was unpopular, but it's been used ever since 977 01:02:20,490 --> 01:02:26,280 1920s 1950s 1967. You know, at every is all about the youth 978 01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:29,100 everything is targeted towards the youth rebellion 979 01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:32,280 which is not a controlled opposition. 980 01:02:34,890 --> 01:02:41,910 Yes, and that's I would say that probably really started with in 981 01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:42,690 this era 982 01:02:44,070 --> 01:02:49,200 with MTV bt I think that's the only one Oh, wait. Rap to hip 983 01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,270 hop rap. Yeah, well rap. Yes, exactly. 984 01:02:52,500 --> 01:02:55,770 Was the shift because mean before I mean, most time we look 985 01:02:55,770 --> 01:02:59,790 at older artists, they were adults even in like Aretha 986 01:02:59,790 --> 01:03:03,360 Franklin and, you know, people that may were adults in their, 987 01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:06,750 you know, in their prime route was the first time where you 988 01:03:06,750 --> 01:03:10,440 actually targeted young children to 989 01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:16,440 be the you know, the leaders of the music, and you could even 990 01:03:17,370 --> 01:03:21,060 excuse me and take it back a little further. You one could 991 01:03:21,060 --> 01:03:24,240 argue Michael Jackson started with the crotch grabbing, 992 01:03:25,140 --> 01:03:30,030 emulated by Madonna and I'm bad yeah I'm good Yeah. And it kind 993 01:03:30,030 --> 01:03:31,830 of went from there you know 994 01:03:33,810 --> 01:03:38,130 so although arguably Elvis Elvis the pelvis Presley was also 995 01:03:38,220 --> 01:03:40,530 using versions of that with black 996 01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:45,660 it goes back from 1920s that was the beginning every now I'm just 997 01:03:45,660 --> 01:03:48,300 going back in my head I'm thinking about okay that was 998 01:03:48,300 --> 01:03:50,130 that that was that there was that and here we are yeah 999 01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:51,120 fantastic. 1000 01:03:52,500 --> 01:03:56,460 Wish they always do that you know they always emulate what's 1001 01:03:56,490 --> 01:03:58,140 what's happened on in black culture. 1002 01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:03,270 And I got a reason for at least understanding why they think 1003 01:04:03,270 --> 01:04:09,000 that is but the ghosts who I flapper and well we might 1004 01:04:09,390 --> 01:04:11,970 understand why I don't know if you remember her name was sugar 1005 01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:15,720 Avery in the movie Color Purple. Okay, here this is very, very 1006 01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:16,350 important 1007 01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:20,250 that I come clean on this. I don't think we've discussed it. 1008 01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:23,610 I have not read the book. I have not seen the movie it. It all 1009 01:04:23,610 --> 01:04:26,460 came out at a time when I was doing other things wasn't paying 1010 01:04:26,460 --> 01:04:29,970 attention. I have never gotten around to it. So I don't even 1011 01:04:29,970 --> 01:04:33,000 know the plotline. Yeah, well great. I'll give it to you in 1012 01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:38,370 like one minute. So basically you have Sealy which is sold off 1013 01:04:38,370 --> 01:04:43,080 to Mr. And it like an arranged marriage. Mister basically use 1014 01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:48,480 her for this. This is how they portray it. Use her for domestic 1015 01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:50,100 labor and to 1016 01:04:51,330 --> 01:04:52,590 for his sexual needs. 1017 01:04:54,030 --> 01:04:57,930 But he's always loved a woman named Avery who was a flapper 1018 01:04:57,930 --> 01:04:58,980 ideal flapper. 1019 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,990 Sung and juke joints and patch children similar and didn't take 1020 01:05:03,990 --> 01:05:07,920 care of them similar to my dear so she was a woman of the 1021 01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:08,460 streets 1022 01:05:09,599 --> 01:05:13,769 episode they end up moving in he moves should Abraham in the 1023 01:05:13,769 --> 01:05:17,309 house with him and steely and then they form a bond would they 1024 01:05:17,309 --> 01:05:21,659 be fit first but then they form of bond I guess Mr. So it's a 1025 01:05:21,659 --> 01:05:23,639 symbolic of what this whole episode is 1026 01:05:25,860 --> 01:05:29,040 this is where he mister wishes he 1027 01:05:30,060 --> 01:05:32,310 I don't want to really get into that but he's like the 1028 01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:36,810 prototypical bad guy and Tyler Perry movies now by this really 1029 01:05:36,810 --> 01:05:41,190 bad black man wishes really is funny His name is Mr. One short 1030 01:05:41,190 --> 01:05:45,870 letter different from Master but don't let that be lost. 1031 01:05:47,340 --> 01:05:49,770 So you have color purple should everyone 1032 01:05:55,230 --> 01:05:59,070 goddamnit Listen man what you crazy 1033 01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:07,380 week little boy cave they know you know me. I need 1034 01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:09,660 you here. 1035 01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:22,920 Now no goddamn sinkin path 1036 01:06:27,660 --> 01:06:30,960 get that thing make me something to eat. 1037 01:06:32,340 --> 01:06:33,390 I'm making myself. 1038 01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:39,180 So this is her he brought her into the house with him and 1039 01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:44,910 I use the word wife but Sealy the woman that he was like 1040 01:06:44,910 --> 01:06:48,600 basically using a mother whose children and even then the 1041 01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:51,840 flapper was like custom both of them out. So the reason why I 1042 01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:53,070 brought this up is 1043 01:06:55,050 --> 01:06:59,850 these women that control can show their sex appeal and you're 1044 01:06:59,850 --> 01:07:03,690 saying controller man through their no sexual abilities. 1045 01:07:05,370 --> 01:07:09,030 They live in a different world attractive women live in a 1046 01:07:09,030 --> 01:07:13,020 different world, you know, saying I mean that. This is why 1047 01:07:13,590 --> 01:07:15,300 I say this be politically correct. 1048 01:07:17,250 --> 01:07:20,820 You'll see two women talking and want to be extremely more 1049 01:07:20,820 --> 01:07:23,460 attractive than the other. But then the other one won't be 1050 01:07:23,490 --> 01:07:26,100 honest, the pretty well won't be honest with the average looking. 1051 01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:29,520 Because I know you know, you know you're keen to hear your 1052 01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:32,520 nine to know You go girl. You probably 1053 01:07:34,050 --> 01:07:39,870 slay queen. Yes. Right? Yeah. So what I'm saying is this goes 1054 01:07:39,870 --> 01:07:43,650 back and I know people might be get frustrated with me. But it's 1055 01:07:43,830 --> 01:07:48,480 this mentality of the media, my enemy here is I can't be honest 1056 01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:51,450 with you. My number one target is Mickey Mouse. Right? He got 1057 01:07:51,450 --> 01:07:51,840 to go. 1058 01:07:53,130 --> 01:07:55,770 Mickey Mouse got to go. I mean, cuz he's pumping out a lot of 1059 01:07:55,770 --> 01:08:02,010 negative negative energy. Um, and the expectation women think 1060 01:08:02,010 --> 01:08:02,760 they should have. 1061 01:08:03,900 --> 01:08:07,500 Well, maybe I'm making Mickey Mouse owns your ESPN. So you 1062 01:08:07,500 --> 01:08:11,130 know, you got a long way to go before the mouse is gone. Right. 1063 01:08:11,130 --> 01:08:14,760 And this works that we all have to do all have to stand up to 1064 01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:18,450 the mouse when the mouse is running stuff right now. I'm 1065 01:08:19,050 --> 01:08:20,070 gonna write that down. 1066 01:08:21,810 --> 01:08:25,020 Now we have to simplify it right? We have to win in these 1067 01:08:25,020 --> 01:08:29,100 meme wars. And they say Disney and ABC and ABC. No Mickey 1068 01:08:29,100 --> 01:08:30,960 Mouse, Mickey Mouse got to go. 1069 01:08:32,460 --> 01:08:33,090 But 1070 01:08:34,650 --> 01:08:37,530 not to get too far off track. What I'm just saying is 1071 01:08:39,900 --> 01:08:43,020 when you're pretty, that's a privilege, I'm just gonna say. 1072 01:08:45,390 --> 01:08:48,330 And it being a privilege, no different than white privilege 1073 01:08:48,330 --> 01:08:52,350 or genetic privilege or these other things, but not to 1074 01:08:52,350 --> 01:08:56,460 acknowledge it that it benefits you certain, you know, luxuries 1075 01:08:56,460 --> 01:08:58,590 in life is dishonest. 1076 01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:03,540 That's why I play that clip. Sure. So, but I'm also pointing 1077 01:09:03,540 --> 01:09:05,820 a pit laying out a picture of what their flappers look like 1078 01:09:05,820 --> 01:09:08,310 because when we look forward, this is what we're going to see 1079 01:09:08,670 --> 01:09:12,480 the downfall of being a flapper. So now we have Sean Avery. She's 1080 01:09:12,480 --> 01:09:16,470 taking a bath now I see Lee's pouring her bath and taking care 1081 01:09:16,470 --> 01:09:19,980 of her. Now let me make clear the woman of the house is taking 1082 01:09:19,980 --> 01:09:23,040 care of the other woman in her house. And they're both getting 1083 01:09:23,070 --> 01:09:26,040 crapped out to him. Yeah, this doesn't seem like a healthy 1084 01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:27,630 situation. It does not 1085 01:09:30,690 --> 01:09:32,250 get her seen a naked woman. Have 1086 01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:35,160 you got any children? 1087 01:09:37,770 --> 01:09:39,240 Yes, ma'am me. I ain't bad 1088 01:09:47,550 --> 01:09:48,180 for you 1089 01:10:05,339 --> 01:10:10,199 You I wear my own goddamn business I feel just fine Just 1090 01:10:11,490 --> 01:10:13,860 give me some bubbling oil and put it in this jug 1091 01:10:26,100 --> 01:10:26,970 was my mom 1092 01:10:28,380 --> 01:10:30,480 never know the child to come out right? 1093 01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:47,910 So they just go to show you even more that the privilege and I 1094 01:10:47,910 --> 01:10:50,790 know people like where are you going to smile but the color 1095 01:10:50,790 --> 01:10:56,820 purple itself is one of the major means and black society. 1096 01:10:57,420 --> 01:11:00,150 They shape the law. I mean because we're talking about the 1097 01:11:00,150 --> 01:11:03,750 technology thing all this relates, so just just hang on 1098 01:11:03,750 --> 01:11:04,260 for a second. 1099 01:11:05,820 --> 01:11:12,000 The the technology of the 80s was the VCR. Yes, sir. You were 1100 01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:15,900 able to bring every movie into your house. 1101 01:11:17,610 --> 01:11:20,430 And people will sit down and watch this movie three, four 1102 01:11:20,430 --> 01:11:21,270 times a day. 1103 01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:27,390 Wow. or once a weekend or we played on every weekend on bt it 1104 01:11:27,390 --> 01:11:29,700 was a it was constantly being pumped and pumped and pumped. 1105 01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:33,330 Because you don't have any television I mean, okay, but you 1106 01:11:33,330 --> 01:11:36,510 know, you have to watch movement and VHS was a big thing. And 1107 01:11:36,510 --> 01:11:40,620 this came at the right time with VHS. So they were married to get 1108 01:11:40,710 --> 01:11:44,760 together perfectly. And and back then that was a lot of means 1109 01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:48,030 that this to this day or this band Boogey Man black man of 1110 01:11:48,030 --> 01:11:51,450 this sisterhood between the beautiful woman is down on her 1111 01:11:51,450 --> 01:11:56,130 luck and resourceful, but less attractive woman and like we can 1112 01:11:56,130 --> 01:11:57,630 come together and defeat him. 1113 01:11:59,490 --> 01:12:01,650 Oh, that's an important one. 1114 01:12:02,670 --> 01:12:04,590 Yeah, that's an important we going back to 1115 01:12:07,050 --> 01:12:10,590 Wow, very cool. Right now we're coming back to the mommy wars 1116 01:12:10,590 --> 01:12:14,490 and making the stallion and Maxine Waters coming together. 1117 01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,670 This is this. This is just another iteration of that 1118 01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:18,930 symbolism 1119 01:12:20,100 --> 01:12:22,800 that we can't be divided. We can't have mobs against working 1120 01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:26,250 women. So we got to be combined. So we can Oh yeah, it's been 1121 01:12:26,250 --> 01:12:29,250 going on for a long time this. Yes. 1122 01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:34,320 This has and the reason why I brought up it being a meme is 1123 01:12:34,590 --> 01:12:39,570 that in the flapper clips came out the cigarettes, right? So 1124 01:12:39,570 --> 01:12:41,760 we've heard we've talked about this before the torches of 1125 01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,250 freedom, but I want to go a little bit more in depth with 1126 01:12:44,250 --> 01:12:49,860 it. And I have a clip from the man himself. Edward Bernays all 1127 01:12:49,860 --> 01:12:53,940 and he says cigarettes to women are torches of freedom one wild 1128 01:12:53,940 --> 01:12:57,930 disapproving of women who smoked men began to take up smoking and 1129 01:12:57,930 --> 01:13:00,390 increasing numbers, partly because of flood of 1130 01:13:00,390 --> 01:13:03,480 advertisements in what was America's newest mass medium 1131 01:13:03,570 --> 01:13:08,670 national magazines made smoking attractive. These ads evoke the 1132 01:13:08,670 --> 01:13:12,360 symbolic values many men already associated with cigarettes, 1133 01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:17,370 sexual appeal, sophistication, pleasure, but they failed to 1134 01:13:17,370 --> 01:13:20,670 persuade women to risk the disapproval of their menfolk by 1135 01:13:20,670 --> 01:13:24,870 taking up cigarettes. Even George Washington Hill, the 1136 01:13:24,870 --> 01:13:28,710 advertising genius who made lucky strikes, America's best 1137 01:13:28,710 --> 01:13:31,920 selling cigarettes, couldn't figure out how to break through 1138 01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:36,000 the social barriers that kept women from smoking. So he turned 1139 01:13:36,060 --> 01:13:41,070 to a public relations genius Edward Bernays, he said, we have 1140 01:13:41,070 --> 01:13:48,180 a problem. We're losing half the market in America, because there 1141 01:13:48,180 --> 01:13:55,230 is a taboo against women, women smoking, particularly smoking in 1142 01:13:55,230 --> 01:13:56,070 the streets. 1143 01:13:57,840 --> 01:13:59,640 He said I want your help on that. 1144 01:14:01,140 --> 01:14:08,070 So I said before I can offer you a suggestion or recommendation. 1145 01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:14,550 I would like your authority to visit Dr. aa Brill, who is the 1146 01:14:14,550 --> 01:14:20,520 leading psycho analyst of his time. So I went to the doctor. 1147 01:14:21,090 --> 01:14:24,480 And I said, Can you tell me 1148 01:14:25,860 --> 01:14:29,280 what cigarettes mean to women? 1149 01:14:31,980 --> 01:14:34,950 Love the Bernays story in which you just mentioned that he his 1150 01:14:34,950 --> 01:14:38,940 uncle was Sigmund Freud. So it ran in the family knowing this 1151 01:14:38,940 --> 01:14:43,860 the psycho semantics of it. He went and talked to Dr. A Brill 1152 01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:48,600 leading psycho analysts. So this is how I 1153 01:14:49,740 --> 01:14:52,320 bring up bring forward to the future. I mean to the President. 1154 01:14:53,550 --> 01:14:56,070 These people do these studies. How do we reach this 1155 01:14:56,070 --> 01:14:58,410 demographic? How do we reach these women? How do we play on 1156 01:14:58,410 --> 01:14:59,970 their insecurities, you know when 1157 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,630 mean I'm gonna say this which is I can speak this from the Masada 1158 01:15:04,590 --> 01:15:07,500 products are sold to men different than women. 1159 01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:12,900 And I find it disgusting the way they sell products to women, 1160 01:15:13,170 --> 01:15:15,870 right? I mean they would never approach a man the same way they 1161 01:15:15,870 --> 01:15:19,020 would women when they're trying to sell a product. They usually 1162 01:15:19,020 --> 01:15:21,720 say man, you're great. Now you want to be better 1163 01:15:23,250 --> 01:15:27,630 get this drink this beer drive this car right? Women are you 1164 01:15:27,690 --> 01:15:32,250 ugly? Are you fat? Look at your flat hair. Look at your no hair. 1165 01:15:32,490 --> 01:15:36,390 Don't you hate your hair color? I don't hate the way you look by 1166 01:15:36,390 --> 01:15:37,140 this makeup 1167 01:15:38,670 --> 01:15:41,640 all the makeup may just combat by this cream. 1168 01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:48,570 That cream just came out by this or this and what happened? And 1169 01:15:48,570 --> 01:15:53,190 you think it might be crazy. But look, get the level of expertise 1170 01:15:53,190 --> 01:15:58,410 they used to sell you death aka a cigarette. Well, what's what's 1171 01:15:58,410 --> 01:16:02,820 interesting about now versus then where they went to a Brill 1172 01:16:02,820 --> 01:16:05,310 and said, Now I and I'm just probably in your next clip, so I 1173 01:16:05,310 --> 01:16:08,190 won't spoil it. And he said, Okay, this is how you make it 1174 01:16:08,190 --> 01:16:12,570 work. This is why it'll work today, that is tested on every 1175 01:16:12,570 --> 01:16:18,090 individual, maybe 25, maybe 100 times a day with algorithmic 1176 01:16:18,090 --> 01:16:20,070 programming. Did you did 1177 01:16:21,090 --> 01:16:24,000 okay, did the person respond to this? They scroll past it. Did 1178 01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:27,900 they tap into the going deeper? Okay, that works. Go back add 1179 01:16:27,900 --> 01:16:30,120 some more of that. I mean, that's completely how the 1180 01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:34,980 algorithms work. So they can continuously target you as an 1181 01:16:34,980 --> 01:16:35,790 individual. 1182 01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:37,440 Yes. 1183 01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:41,250 They have everybody has their own little individual doctor a 1184 01:16:41,250 --> 01:16:44,910 bro basically, is how do we say when we say how do we how do we 1185 01:16:44,910 --> 01:16:48,120 sell this to this person or they or anything in general? Sure. 1186 01:16:49,020 --> 01:16:53,220 Alright, so let's discuss this more on the backside of 15. So I 1187 01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:58,230 went to Dr. Burrell and I said, Can you tell me 1188 01:16:59,610 --> 01:17:03,030 what cigarettes mean to women? 1189 01:17:04,380 --> 01:17:12,750 And as quick is that he said cigarettes to women are torches 1190 01:17:12,810 --> 01:17:13,860 of freedom 1191 01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:24,900 that they use, to dramatize to their objection to the taboo 1192 01:17:25,350 --> 01:17:28,020 against smoking by men. 1193 01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:33,120 And then he added as an afterthought, 1194 01:17:34,170 --> 01:17:38,880 and they titillate the erogenous zones of the lips. 1195 01:17:40,140 --> 01:17:46,020 So I left and wondered what to do with that information. And I 1196 01:17:46,020 --> 01:17:52,650 decided we would get debutantes to light torches of freedom in 1197 01:17:52,650 --> 01:17:59,910 the Easter Parade, to protest man's inhumanity to women, by 1198 01:17:59,910 --> 01:18:01,740 the taboo against smoking. 1199 01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:10,410 within six weeks, smoking became an accepted pattern for women 1200 01:18:10,440 --> 01:18:12,180 throughout the United States. 1201 01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:17,190 Six weeks I love that and I believe that this thinking that 1202 01:18:17,190 --> 01:18:21,420 and I was in advertising, public relations, more all of this 1203 01:18:22,500 --> 01:18:27,900 that really started the mindset of how we control people. I 1204 01:18:27,900 --> 01:18:30,690 mean, I've met so many psychologists and psychiatrists 1205 01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:35,400 in the advertising world, you will be blown away and what is 1206 01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:38,430 control rather than a wish witchcraft. 1207 01:18:39,900 --> 01:18:43,740 And I know people will say Oh, he loaded the witchcraft. Okay. 1208 01:18:44,130 --> 01:18:50,820 Call me crazy, but they use the Easter Day Parade. Bar ish dar 1209 01:18:50,970 --> 01:18:56,220 Tara Day Parade. There it is. women talk to torches of 1210 01:18:56,220 --> 01:19:01,530 freedom, which the Statue of Liberty represents. Libertas, 1211 01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:03,240 aka Ishtar. 1212 01:19:04,710 --> 01:19:07,740 Now for those other gods Yeah, explain Ishtar for those who 1213 01:19:07,740 --> 01:19:11,520 would know that is Easter that's the mother goddess that's the 1214 01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:14,940 goddess of fertility. Who you can we really celebrate on 1215 01:19:14,970 --> 01:19:15,690 Easter 1216 01:19:16,890 --> 01:19:20,490 that's where the eggs and monies come from. See that's why I said 1217 01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:22,710 this stuff goes right past our conscious right through our 1218 01:19:22,710 --> 01:19:26,580 subconscious and six weeks later, smoking the phenomenon. 1219 01:19:26,730 --> 01:19:29,370 Isn't that crazy? You think there's not any esoteric 1220 01:19:31,530 --> 01:19:34,470 playing in there Come on. I will certainly I think it was 1221 01:19:34,470 --> 01:19:36,510 certainly seen as 1222 01:19:38,340 --> 01:19:42,780 as as a incredible it probably is a demand that's witchcraft. 1223 01:19:42,780 --> 01:19:45,750 Let's use it again. I think everyone's like, okay, whatever 1224 01:19:45,750 --> 01:19:50,490 that is it's working with this not get all the spooky with the 1225 01:19:50,490 --> 01:19:52,800 it's just control. Yeah, okay. 1226 01:19:54,270 --> 01:19:57,300 coven of witches got together. So how can we sell women this 1227 01:19:57,300 --> 01:19:59,970 deadly product they sent home let's conjure up something. 1228 01:20:00,630 --> 01:20:03,810 Let's call on torture to freedom. Cool. Okay. 1229 01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:08,760 All right. And that's just how it happens. And then it becomes 1230 01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:14,220 a meme. And then now you're 66 What was it? 1990s 67 years 1231 01:20:14,220 --> 01:20:17,850 later you have women dying of lung cancer. And then the spell. 1232 01:20:18,060 --> 01:20:21,810 The spell would be the actual marketing words that were used 1233 01:20:23,010 --> 01:20:26,880 for the freedom. That's why I caught on right. So he gave me 1234 01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:28,950 the idea and then ever Bernays 1235 01:20:30,060 --> 01:20:33,330 manifest the idea. Because I okay towards the freedom what I 1236 01:20:33,330 --> 01:20:36,690 do with that he put the imagery to it. He was the direct 1237 01:20:36,690 --> 01:20:39,150 messaging, because they did basically 1238 01:20:42,540 --> 01:20:47,100 Bernays called friends at Vogue magazine to get a list of the 1239 01:20:47,100 --> 01:20:48,030 debutantes. 1240 01:20:49,050 --> 01:20:53,010 And then he had his secretary, Bertha hunt, sign and send a 1241 01:20:53,010 --> 01:20:56,160 personalized telegram to each one. So there was a woman 1242 01:20:57,510 --> 01:20:58,680 which was by itself. 1243 01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:03,510 very novel at the time, and here's Yeah, here's the here's 1244 01:21:03,510 --> 01:21:06,630 the message in the interest of equality of the sexes and to 1245 01:21:06,630 --> 01:21:10,830 fight another sex taboo. I and other young women will light 1246 01:21:10,830 --> 01:21:13,920 another torch of freedom by smoking cigarettes while 1247 01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:18,300 strolling on Fifth Avenue Easter Sunday. Oh, yeah, shoulders. 1248 01:21:19,380 --> 01:21:22,530 strolling Yep, stroll to the pole. We are doing this to 1249 01:21:22,530 --> 01:21:26,790 combat the silly prejudice that the cigarette is suitable for 1250 01:21:26,790 --> 01:21:29,850 the home the restaurant, the taxicab, the theater lobby, but 1251 01:21:29,850 --> 01:21:33,690 never No, never for the sidewalk. Women smokers and 1252 01:21:33,690 --> 01:21:38,610 their escorts will stroll from 48 Street to 54th Street on 1253 01:21:38,670 --> 01:21:42,660 Fifth Avenue between 1130 and one o'clock. And of course, it 1254 01:21:42,660 --> 01:21:44,670 made front page news and 1255 01:21:46,410 --> 01:21:50,040 in the media did their job and was off to the races and NASCAR 1256 01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:52,560 and the cigarette advertising sword. 1257 01:21:53,670 --> 01:21:56,430 And the whole time, man, we're probably saying I'm just 1258 01:21:56,430 --> 01:21:58,980 speculating here. That's a disgusting habit. And if I 1259 01:21:58,980 --> 01:22:03,180 could, I would kick it myself. So I want you to promise I know 1260 01:22:03,180 --> 01:22:05,490 what we want. We want lung cancer to 1261 01:22:06,870 --> 01:22:09,300 know like, No, you don't want those pants. Ladies, I'm telling 1262 01:22:09,300 --> 01:22:12,660 you. My mom smoked when she was pregnant with me. 1263 01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:14,250 My 1264 01:22:15,330 --> 01:22:19,260 most of the women in my family smoked, and they all hated it. I 1265 01:22:19,260 --> 01:22:22,770 mean, it was it wasn't like, enjoy. No, no, it was always I'm 1266 01:22:22,770 --> 01:22:25,050 gonna have to have to kick this habit. I gotta stop this 1267 01:22:25,050 --> 01:22:29,010 ranking, right. So the reason why I'm talking about the the 1268 01:22:29,100 --> 01:22:33,450 sources of freedom is in the means. Now we got to go back to 1269 01:22:33,450 --> 01:22:37,530 the color purple. And we have to actually listen in to commerce, 1270 01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:42,270 our interview with Margaret Avery, she's the one to actually 1271 01:22:42,270 --> 01:22:47,040 play the is the one that actually played. She Avery she's 1272 01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:50,460 being interviewed by Margaret Avery, sorry about that. And 1273 01:22:50,460 --> 01:22:52,080 this is a very obscure 1274 01:22:53,970 --> 01:22:58,080 interview I found, but I want you to listen to how big 1275 01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:01,530 important Color Purple was at that time and the messages that 1276 01:23:01,530 --> 01:23:04,380 it pushed, we must do entertainment with 1277 01:23:04,380 --> 01:23:10,170 responsibility, what people are willing to read comfortably in 1278 01:23:10,170 --> 01:23:14,130 their own private space. And what they can see on the screen 1279 01:23:14,130 --> 01:23:19,440 comfortably are two different things. And myself as a mother 1280 01:23:19,440 --> 01:23:20,580 of an 11 year old, 1281 01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:26,280 I was just relieved when I found out that certain things would 1282 01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:27,690 not be filmed. 1283 01:23:30,210 --> 01:23:34,920 I wouldn't have as a person been comfortable. I don't think that 1284 01:23:35,310 --> 01:23:42,090 the it was necessary to explore everything explicitly. That was 1285 01:23:42,090 --> 01:23:45,900 in the book. People got the message. And I think it was done 1286 01:23:45,900 --> 01:23:49,530 with taste and I'm real proud. And over 1287 01:23:50,580 --> 01:23:55,470 and over all, Margaret, what would you like to say to black 1288 01:23:55,470 --> 01:24:00,030 people? Because still some black people are saying that, you 1289 01:24:00,030 --> 01:24:04,410 know, the film demeans blacks. So what what would you like them 1290 01:24:04,410 --> 01:24:06,360 to understand? I'll show you 1291 01:24:11,820 --> 01:24:12,900 before you answer that, 1292 01:24:14,370 --> 01:24:14,730 no, 1293 01:24:16,170 --> 01:24:19,530 all seriousness, but I would it was one cover. Before we get 1294 01:24:19,530 --> 01:24:21,600 back to the phone, I gotta get the ISO cuz 1295 01:24:22,770 --> 01:24:24,690 I meant to get that I knew it was something I was missing from 1296 01:24:24,690 --> 01:24:28,860 the show. But, um, let's just talk about reading, for 1297 01:24:28,860 --> 01:24:32,430 instance. And this is why it's also important about the lady 1298 01:24:32,430 --> 01:24:36,150 that wrote this article, she's an author. So reading is a very 1299 01:24:36,180 --> 01:24:40,920 intimate channel that you currently read and you create 1300 01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:45,210 the world in your mind, right? This is a very good way to 1301 01:24:45,210 --> 01:24:50,040 target black women of the two sexes and on the black side, or 1302 01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:53,580 the so called black side. The women, the women forum 1303 01:24:55,110 --> 01:24:58,470 are the readers, you know, to sit out read for leisure. Sure. 1304 01:24:59,160 --> 01:24:59,970 So a lot of 1305 01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,540 These messages was pumped through books, the color purple 1306 01:25:03,540 --> 01:25:06,660 being one of them. And a lot of these ideas 1307 01:25:07,830 --> 01:25:11,070 it was massage and water before it was actually termed, this 1308 01:25:11,070 --> 01:25:14,400 would be the epitome of it. And a lot of people felt like it was 1309 01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:17,250 problematic and it also pushed the boundaries on black 1310 01:25:17,250 --> 01:25:22,740 sexuality as well. Because in the book, should Avery and see 1311 01:25:22,740 --> 01:25:27,150 we had a a had a sexual relationship. Now that's why 1312 01:25:27,450 --> 01:25:28,290 Bobby 1313 01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:32,370 Why can't was saying she's glad that they didn't have to explore 1314 01:25:32,370 --> 01:25:34,560 all that in the movie because she thought it would be too 1315 01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:37,260 much. And she would actually had 1316 01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:41,820 she actually had reservations about doing the movie now let's 1317 01:25:41,820 --> 01:25:44,970 be honest here. Who is the people behind the movie? Steven 1318 01:25:45,030 --> 01:25:45,600 Spielberg? 1319 01:25:46,710 --> 01:25:50,520 Yes. And Oprah right and I even told this woman that she had 1320 01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:51,960 they came away and 1321 01:25:53,190 --> 01:25:56,670 it's a very fascinating interview how much she had to go 1322 01:25:56,670 --> 01:26:01,770 through in getting prepared for this character. So um, but then 1323 01:26:01,770 --> 01:26:05,490 the question came about the black people our perception of 1324 01:26:05,490 --> 01:26:09,120 the of the movie in the booth a phone ring. 1325 01:26:10,590 --> 01:26:13,650 Now this was a print interview right? That's why the sound is 1326 01:26:13,650 --> 01:26:16,890 off. This is just her arc her archive of all the people she's 1327 01:26:16,890 --> 01:26:21,300 interviewed. Well, it's actually recorded but I don't know if she 1328 01:26:21,300 --> 01:26:25,290 was it was printed or not. But she's gonna pick up the question 1329 01:26:25,500 --> 01:26:27,930 Where are we gonna start right with the doula a phone rang and 1330 01:26:27,930 --> 01:26:30,330 then we're going to pick up on the question so the original 1331 01:26:30,330 --> 01:26:31,470 question was 1332 01:26:36,210 --> 01:26:37,860 can we hear the last thing I want to get the 1333 01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:42,960 full question in context? Yeah, of course of course we can to 1334 01:26:43,140 --> 01:26:48,150 black people, because still some black people are saying that you 1335 01:26:48,150 --> 01:26:51,660 know that the film demeans blacks. So what what would you 1336 01:26:51,660 --> 01:26:53,340 like them to understand? 1337 01:26:54,780 --> 01:26:57,570 Hello, this is Bob boulais. I got a little information for you 1338 01:26:57,570 --> 01:27:01,950 before you answer the question. Okay, so the feeling that that 1339 01:27:01,950 --> 01:27:04,650 means black folks was when the boom a phone rang right and they 1340 01:27:04,650 --> 01:27:06,420 had to get it so we can go into 17 1341 01:27:07,650 --> 01:27:11,310 Next, excuse me, and overall Margaret, what would you like to 1342 01:27:11,310 --> 01:27:15,270 say to black people because still some black people are 1343 01:27:15,270 --> 01:27:21,030 saying that you know the film demeans blacks. So what what 1344 01:27:21,030 --> 01:27:24,150 would you like them to understand? I'll show you 1345 01:27:26,490 --> 01:27:28,350 Okay, I'll pick up my question again. 1346 01:27:29,820 --> 01:27:32,220 Margaret, I know you must be aware that there are still some 1347 01:27:32,220 --> 01:27:35,160 black people who feel uncomfortable with the color 1348 01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:39,180 purple feel that it demeans blacks particularly black men. 1349 01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:41,040 Now, what would you like them 1350 01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:46,260 The film was not a documentary 1351 01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:52,350 in order to represent a people, it must be all factual and this 1352 01:27:52,350 --> 01:27:56,940 was an entertaining piece taken from a fiction book, I do 1353 01:27:56,940 --> 01:28:02,610 understand why the controversy and that is because we as black 1354 01:28:02,610 --> 01:28:09,240 people do not see our in images often on film, once we get the 1355 01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:15,720 experience of having many images and positive negative such as 1356 01:28:16,260 --> 01:28:23,760 our Anglo counterparts, then we will not think of it as 1357 01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:29,370 representative of us, you when you see your the dragon was also 1358 01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:32,280 a controversial issue and I think it was for the same 1359 01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:32,880 reasons. 1360 01:28:34,140 --> 01:28:40,470 Because when you see your image, so seldom you expect it to 1361 01:28:40,470 --> 01:28:46,260 represent you and a film cannot be entertaining and be burdened 1362 01:28:46,260 --> 01:28:49,050 with that responsibility. Okay. 1363 01:28:51,300 --> 01:28:54,180 So you heard the question was changed after the Boulez 1364 01:28:57,120 --> 01:29:00,930 smokes about black man not black people, um, and people 1365 01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:05,520 understood that this character mister was going to be a 1366 01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:09,030 problem. And Fast Forward she was talking about bra 1367 01:29:09,030 --> 01:29:12,450 representation once we started to get more images of ourselves 1368 01:29:12,450 --> 01:29:18,000 more movies made, but in most archetypes when is blood, black, 1369 01:29:18,480 --> 01:29:22,770 completely black movie, the black man aren't saving people. 1370 01:29:23,670 --> 01:29:26,580 And very few cases, he's the he's the problem. He's the bad 1371 01:29:26,580 --> 01:29:28,830 guy, right? I mean, look at Tyler Perry. He's made a billion 1372 01:29:28,830 --> 01:29:30,960 dollars off of this, of this 1373 01:29:32,370 --> 01:29:35,610 archetype format. This format is really a formula 1374 01:29:37,170 --> 01:29:41,490 and lack of lack of a better word. So I just want to put that 1375 01:29:41,490 --> 01:29:45,450 out there that these movies these images, you think you're 1376 01:29:45,450 --> 01:29:47,970 going to get better representation but we still see 1377 01:29:48,300 --> 01:29:52,890 our women when I say are women, women in general and black women 1378 01:29:52,890 --> 01:29:56,760 specifically are lead with sex sex sales, you know, you're not 1379 01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:59,970 gonna get a why representation around 1380 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:05,370 Women, right? It's gonna be one of one of three, right? You're 1381 01:30:05,370 --> 01:30:07,530 going to need to be mammy, you're going to be, you're 1382 01:30:07,530 --> 01:30:12,420 saying some kind of sexual object, or you're going to be 1383 01:30:13,020 --> 01:30:18,900 this might just difficult person. And I mean, if you look 1384 01:30:18,900 --> 01:30:22,740 at what was the scandal, that's a perfect perfect representation 1385 01:30:22,740 --> 01:30:28,350 of that is just this focus on career focused on myself kind of 1386 01:30:30,240 --> 01:30:31,800 archetype. So, 1387 01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:35,520 I say all this to say that 1388 01:30:36,570 --> 01:30:39,000 just what you said about ESG 1389 01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:44,970 is the thing, the outcome coin is called conspicuous 1390 01:30:45,540 --> 01:30:46,920 consciousness. 1391 01:30:48,240 --> 01:30:48,660 Right? 1392 01:30:50,310 --> 01:30:54,060 This is what woke is, this is the best way to define wealth. 1393 01:30:54,090 --> 01:30:57,780 And do you know what conspicuous consumption is. So we have to 1394 01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:03,690 look at that term to understand to speak with consciousness. For 1395 01:31:03,690 --> 01:31:06,120 the most part, I think it is safe to say that we are all 1396 01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:09,390 consumers. Unless you are the person that lives completely off 1397 01:31:09,390 --> 01:31:12,840 the grid away from society and are completely self sustaining, 1398 01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:17,040 it is likely that you are a consumer, we all use a purchase 1399 01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:21,330 some goods or services at some point in time, it is up to us as 1400 01:31:21,330 --> 01:31:24,150 individuals to decide what type of consumer we want to be. 1401 01:31:25,260 --> 01:31:28,440 As a journey towards financial freedom, I can see you to 1402 01:31:28,470 --> 01:31:31,860 revisit this question in my mind, what type of consumer do I 1403 01:31:31,860 --> 01:31:35,880 want to be? So what exactly is conspicuous consumption? 1404 01:31:36,570 --> 01:31:40,410 conspicuous consumption is the purchasing of luxury or 1405 01:31:40,410 --> 01:31:44,550 expensive goods and services, in an effort to show people how 1406 01:31:44,550 --> 01:31:48,270 much you have, or in an effort to display a certain type of 1407 01:31:48,270 --> 01:31:48,750 wealth. 1408 01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:52,860 The problem comes in because the majority of people who are 1409 01:31:52,860 --> 01:31:57,420 conspicuous consumers are actually not wealthy. Now, some 1410 01:31:57,420 --> 01:32:00,660 of these conspicuous consumers may be high income earners, they 1411 01:32:00,660 --> 01:32:03,720 bring in a good income, they make good money, but they are 1412 01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:06,930 constantly spending that money in an effort to show people how 1413 01:32:06,930 --> 01:32:11,190 much they have. So in essence, these types of conspicuous 1414 01:32:11,190 --> 01:32:15,000 consumers are slaves to their job to their paycheck to those 1415 01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:17,550 hours that they need to work in order to continue to make their 1416 01:32:17,550 --> 01:32:20,850 money so that they can spend it. Now it is my belief that 1417 01:32:20,850 --> 01:32:24,180 conspicuous consumers come in all shapes, sizes and colors. 1418 01:32:24,510 --> 01:32:27,000 But traditionally, you might have heard this before the 1419 01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:31,230 majority of conspicuous consumers are minorities. Now, I 1420 01:32:31,230 --> 01:32:33,780 don't know whether you agree with this or not. And the data, 1421 01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:35,250 I think is inconsistent. 1422 01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:42,150 Well, conspicuous consumption, cc, it's, it's interesting how 1423 01:32:42,150 --> 01:32:45,300 Gucci has to season it. Yes. 1424 01:32:47,460 --> 01:32:50,730 But conspicuous consumption is the buying things that other 1425 01:32:50,730 --> 01:32:55,800 people can see him right. Yeah, so conspicuous consciousness. He 1426 01:32:55,800 --> 01:33:02,220 woke is I'm doing this so I seem conscious. Right? So I seem like 1427 01:33:02,220 --> 01:33:05,880 I'm aware. Um, um, you know, what it's for other people to 1428 01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:08,760 see. And this is what you're explaining with the ESV and I 1429 01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:12,450 like I like this a lot better than virtue signal. I think this 1430 01:33:12,450 --> 01:33:16,770 is this is much much richer term and much richer term. Because 1431 01:33:16,770 --> 01:33:20,820 he's like, Look at me, look how woke I am. Look out. Hi, I 1432 01:33:20,820 --> 01:33:24,300 understand black people. It's not out of understanding black 1433 01:33:24,300 --> 01:33:29,400 people. It's for under it's for your benefit. All right, it's 1434 01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:34,140 like it's just another product to buy. Um, it's just another 1435 01:33:34,140 --> 01:33:38,760 you know, way to make yourself elite. And these people come 1436 01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:43,290 into our communities are so our, our side our race, where you 1437 01:33:43,290 --> 01:33:46,140 want to say, I know you hate that word community, but it's 1438 01:33:46,140 --> 01:33:49,560 really, it's a consciousness, right? I mean, that's what we 1439 01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:51,660 call what we first who is communities to share 1440 01:33:51,660 --> 01:33:55,230 consciousness. And they want to tap into that for their own 1441 01:33:55,230 --> 01:33:56,220 personal gains. 1442 01:33:58,140 --> 01:34:02,490 If you follow along, yeah, no, I Yes, I am. And simultaneously, 1443 01:34:02,490 --> 01:34:06,570 I'm reading about the guy who coined the term, a sociologist, 1444 01:34:06,570 --> 01:34:10,350 of course, Thurman vert Veblen, of course, these were these 1445 01:34:10,350 --> 01:34:15,840 terms come from 1899 my brother, this is 100 120 years ago. This 1446 01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:19,230 is great. That's what we're saying. And 1447 01:34:20,550 --> 01:34:24,270 the reason why like with our producers, and what we do here 1448 01:34:24,270 --> 01:34:28,560 our sales This is not for vanity, right? We come here to 1449 01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:32,850 gain understanding from each other and then people sharing 1450 01:34:32,850 --> 01:34:36,660 that by listening and you know, and and supporting, but it's not 1451 01:34:36,660 --> 01:34:42,540 to say oh, I support mo and Adam right just like to you know, to 1452 01:34:43,290 --> 01:34:46,530 like gain kudos is actually they're doing the work. So, 1453 01:34:46,830 --> 01:34:49,080 that's the counter to conspicuous consumption 1454 01:34:49,110 --> 01:34:53,010 actually, trying to gain understanding with someone for 1455 01:34:53,010 --> 01:34:54,630 your for your mutual benefit. 1456 01:34:55,740 --> 01:34:58,980 I have to, you know, after the show, and for the next few 1457 01:34:58,980 --> 01:35:00,000 weeks, I'm gonna have to think about 1458 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:04,470 The overlap between value for value as we as we talk about it. 1459 01:35:04,650 --> 01:35:07,140 And of course, I see it differently. But there's for 1460 01:35:07,140 --> 01:35:11,790 sure there's, there's it's giving me some clarity on on the 1461 01:35:11,790 --> 01:35:14,340 mechanism, I, you know, we just see it as, 1462 01:35:15,420 --> 01:35:20,910 here's a product, we believe it has value. It's more of price 1463 01:35:20,910 --> 01:35:25,080 discovery than anything, if you like it, just to attach a value 1464 01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:27,870 to us and let us know, you know what that was, and send it to 1465 01:35:27,870 --> 01:35:30,150 us. And that's, that's the value exchange, we're just not 1466 01:35:30,180 --> 01:35:33,780 blocking anybody in. But let me be clear what I'm saying. And 1467 01:35:33,780 --> 01:35:37,500 what I'm saying is, some people might be like, Oh, that's a 1468 01:35:37,500 --> 01:35:40,410 black guy, white guy going together that shows progress. 1469 01:35:40,410 --> 01:35:40,620 Let me 1470 01:35:43,860 --> 01:35:47,790 find value in the conversation. And then the top is that we 1471 01:35:47,790 --> 01:35:51,030 wrote, and it's like, oh, I actually found value in that. 1472 01:35:51,150 --> 01:35:53,340 And that's the difference, right? conspicuous consumption. 1473 01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:57,000 If you buy something, at its price point, whatever you decide 1474 01:35:57,000 --> 01:36:01,110 that would be best to the consumer, to be worth is valued. 1475 01:36:01,110 --> 01:36:03,990 And it's not conspicuous, right? It's like it's a need, or 1476 01:36:03,990 --> 01:36:07,080 something that you're saying. But if you say, I know, this is 1477 01:36:07,080 --> 01:36:11,130 a poorly made pair of shoes, but because everybody else values 1478 01:36:11,130 --> 01:36:15,720 it, I'm gonna pay $200 for it, right looks very different. Yes, 1479 01:36:15,720 --> 01:36:16,290 it's no different 1480 01:36:17,940 --> 01:36:20,850 on that, you know, just so it's clear that however, I want 1481 01:36:21,060 --> 01:36:25,440 everyone to feel free to see this show, as a $500 pair of 1482 01:36:25,440 --> 01:36:28,680 Nikes. Just send us that, that'd be great. We are just some, some 1483 01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:30,840 some fancy Nikes here, that's where we are. 1484 01:36:32,820 --> 01:36:35,550 Alright, so speaking of wit, I think this would be a good time 1485 01:36:35,550 --> 01:36:41,400 to take a break. And thank our producers. Yes, I love playing a 1486 01:36:41,400 --> 01:36:44,220 little donation bits. So just to get everybody into the mood, 1487 01:36:44,310 --> 01:36:47,640 right man in the black man have to be able to sit down at the 1488 01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:50,910 same table. For white man has to feel free to speak his mind 1489 01:36:50,910 --> 01:36:53,700 without hurting the feelings are both negros and the so called 1490 01:36:53,700 --> 01:36:56,730 Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the 1491 01:36:56,730 --> 01:36:59,520 feeling of the right man, then they can bring the issues that 1492 01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:01,860 are under the rug out on top of the table and take an 1493 01:37:01,860 --> 01:37:04,380 intelligent approach to get the problem solved. That's the only 1494 01:37:04,380 --> 01:37:07,950 way to do it. And that is exactly what we're doing here 1495 01:37:07,950 --> 01:37:11,400 with Moe facts with Adam Curry. It's, I think we're the real 1496 01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:14,220 deal. And then those phony Bologna's Obama and Bruce 1497 01:37:14,220 --> 01:37:18,540 Springsteen, they're the $500, Nike, oh, I must listen to that, 1498 01:37:18,540 --> 01:37:19,470 because it's great 1499 01:37:20,730 --> 01:37:24,120 for the grass roots, with a one on one 1500 01:37:26,490 --> 01:37:31,950 product that actually has no it, the value values there, and the 1501 01:37:31,950 --> 01:37:36,000 people show us. So the value for value model is as I just 1502 01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:39,480 explained it, if you get any value out of this, just put that 1503 01:37:39,480 --> 01:37:42,540 into a number that's meaningful for you send it back to us. And 1504 01:37:42,540 --> 01:37:46,530 we do that of course through the most conventional way, which is 1505 01:37:46,530 --> 01:37:50,280 Pay Pal. And you can find that mo facts calm. In fact, if you 1506 01:37:50,280 --> 01:37:55,380 want to go straight to donation page is mo fund me.com. 1507 01:37:56,460 --> 01:37:59,310 You can also boost if you're using a podcasting 2.0 1508 01:38:00,330 --> 01:38:04,080 app. And we just added a cool feature Moe, that you can add a 1509 01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:08,670 note with your with your Insta boost or with your tip, we have 1510 01:38:08,670 --> 01:38:11,850 some apps that are doing it with tips. And when you do that, you 1511 01:38:11,850 --> 01:38:14,610 can add a little note in which we can then read and we can see 1512 01:38:14,610 --> 01:38:15,300 when you did it 1513 01:38:16,710 --> 01:38:20,400 so we can see what you liked. Very, very happy with this. Now 1514 01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:23,520 we do have a number of people who have supported us a great 1515 01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:26,160 list we're going to do two, we're going to break it down 1516 01:38:26,160 --> 01:38:29,490 into two parts here. This of course is over the past several 1517 01:38:29,490 --> 01:38:36,000 weeks. So some will be the show number donation by default 1518 01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:39,420 because you know, they probably weren't sent in for 63 we'll 1519 01:38:39,420 --> 01:38:43,110 bring it in. But starting off with the I guess the big baller 1520 01:38:43,110 --> 01:38:49,560 of the day Jackie green with $420 I wonder what that means. 1521 01:38:51,420 --> 01:38:56,520 Is as Jackie green Jasmine green, Jackie green for 20. 1522 01:38:57,180 --> 01:39:00,660 Great work Moe and Adam really liked the whap episode. Keep on 1523 01:39:00,660 --> 01:39:03,630 Yes, thank you very much Jackie green. That is hugely 1524 01:39:03,630 --> 01:39:08,580 appreciated. And there we see Cirque de Fuca zotoh who is the 1525 01:39:08,580 --> 01:39:11,280 Duke of America's Heartland in the Arabian Peninsula how 1526 01:39:12,510 --> 01:39:13,890 to be baller. Whoa, whoa, whoa 1527 01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:18,390 whoa, big ballers gotta get 1528 01:39:20,130 --> 01:39:23,970 blades. Oh, man. I'm Rusty. Mo I'm Rusty. I got to get the 1529 01:39:23,970 --> 01:39:26,040 place back in my head. Sorry, Jackie. 1530 01:39:27,120 --> 01:39:28,350 Now we go to Dave fukase 1531 01:39:29,850 --> 01:39:33,030 oh one and he says thank you for your character for your courage 1532 01:39:33,030 --> 01:39:36,420 Keep up the great education and work any plans for deep dive 1533 01:39:36,420 --> 01:39:41,400 into the Tulsa massacre which is that did pop up in the in the 1534 01:39:41,400 --> 01:39:44,220 news in the past two months so that's probably why he asked for 1535 01:39:44,220 --> 01:39:46,110 it. Yeah, 1536 01:39:47,280 --> 01:39:50,340 same thing. I'm happy to right approach. Guys don't want to 1537 01:39:50,340 --> 01:39:52,860 rehash history. Yeah, exactly. 1538 01:39:53,880 --> 01:39:57,450 Yeah, so answer Yeah. You know what, sir Dave, it always these 1539 01:39:57,450 --> 01:39:59,970 things do come up. Eventually. We just got to go with the flow. 1540 01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:02,190 And go down the right rabbit holes. And that's when they 1541 01:40:02,370 --> 01:40:05,670 really come into play. It's beautiful that way. Thank you, 1542 01:40:05,670 --> 01:40:08,460 sir Ross Easterling $200 sends us a link, 1543 01:40:09,780 --> 01:40:13,260 which actually I'll put the link next to his name in the credits. 1544 01:40:13,530 --> 01:40:16,530 I think it's a Whitney Webb article 1545 01:40:18,720 --> 01:40:21,660 about john hopkins planning to mass 1546 01:40:22,920 --> 01:40:26,700 trying medical experimentation on minorities as racial justice. 1547 01:40:26,700 --> 01:40:29,430 I had not looked at the link yet. I can't wait. You should 1548 01:40:29,430 --> 01:40:32,010 look at it too. We'll put it in the show notes next to the 1549 01:40:32,010 --> 01:40:36,330 credits. Thank you very much, Ross. Aaron Kramer $165 says 1550 01:40:36,330 --> 01:40:39,360 this is the cost for a ticket to hear the author of white 1551 01:40:39,360 --> 01:40:44,130 fragility speak. Now this is this is value for value. This is 1552 01:40:44,130 --> 01:40:48,360 how it works. I love this idea. All my friends read the book, I 1553 01:40:48,360 --> 01:40:51,990 read it too. But the information and insight I get from you is 1554 01:40:51,990 --> 01:40:56,370 far more valuable. I'm happy to hear that. I cannot express how 1555 01:40:56,370 --> 01:40:59,070 hopeful I feel about racial reconciliation in the United 1556 01:40:59,070 --> 01:41:02,430 States after listening to you to speak. This is in contrast to 1557 01:41:02,430 --> 01:41:06,240 the despair I felt about the same year ago, I had been mind 1558 01:41:06,240 --> 01:41:09,030 controlled into thinking that I could never understand how a 1559 01:41:09,030 --> 01:41:13,350 person of color feels also known as a colored person. And I now 1560 01:41:13,350 --> 01:41:16,860 understand what that it is worth trying. Thank you, Aaron Cramer. 1561 01:41:16,860 --> 01:41:21,930 Aaron. Welcome. Welcome to the Welcome to the tribe. This is a 1562 01:41:21,960 --> 01:41:25,110 very healthy to see you talking like this. I like that a lot. 1563 01:41:25,290 --> 01:41:29,850 Because we as certainly as as white Americans. Yeah, that's it 1564 01:41:29,880 --> 01:41:33,060 that's pushed around all the time, and you can't understand 1565 01:41:33,090 --> 01:41:35,610 you really don't understand you need to listen to this white 1566 01:41:35,610 --> 01:41:38,760 lady with her book, and then you can understand why. Yeah, that's 1567 01:41:38,760 --> 01:41:42,540 fantastic. Yeah, it just proves it. And by the way, you know, 1568 01:41:42,570 --> 01:41:46,620 moe and iron are, what do we have in common? We like hanging 1569 01:41:46,620 --> 01:41:50,010 out with successful people. We like family, and we're American 1570 01:41:50,010 --> 01:41:53,430 men. Everything else is superficial. But we come from 1571 01:41:53,430 --> 01:41:55,170 completely different backgrounds. So of course, 1572 01:41:55,170 --> 01:41:57,570 there's going to be differences. Welcome to the beauty of the 1573 01:41:57,570 --> 01:42:01,530 United States. And many countries could apply this I 1574 01:42:01,530 --> 01:42:02,040 would hope 1575 01:42:03,420 --> 01:42:11,790 $150 from land v. New Ian. Yes. I hope I pronounced that right. 1576 01:42:13,440 --> 01:42:17,760 Excuse me, that's that's the tiger RT. Ah, okay. In fact, 1577 01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:21,510 starts off by saying you gone and broke down Tiger on T. I 1578 01:42:21,510 --> 01:42:24,870 wept hard during the last episode when you said whap 1579 01:42:24,870 --> 01:42:26,760 stands for we are people to 1580 01:42:27,930 --> 01:42:31,710 now I know how she felt. Just like those who have to 1581 01:42:31,710 --> 01:42:35,310 prostitute to survive at some point or another. We are all 1582 01:42:35,310 --> 01:42:38,520 forced to sell a bit of ourselves, whether in compliance 1583 01:42:38,520 --> 01:42:42,210 to taking a fake vaccine so we can keep our jobs or in the case 1584 01:42:42,210 --> 01:42:45,750 of Auntie Maxine. sell her people to lick the crumbs off 1585 01:42:45,750 --> 01:42:49,320 Pelosi table, as we've learned from recent controversies 1586 01:42:49,320 --> 01:42:52,560 between Kwame brown and Dr. Boyce, pay attention to the 1587 01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:53,580 puppet masters. 1588 01:42:54,750 --> 01:42:56,100 That's what we're doing right here. 1589 01:42:57,360 --> 01:43:02,580 Wow, I got the cane with the heat. Oh, I just want to say one 1590 01:43:02,580 --> 01:43:06,810 thing about the prostituting men that's what we're saying that 1591 01:43:06,810 --> 01:43:10,320 well, I can't say we That's what I'm saying. And these episodes 1592 01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:12,450 are made on under we are people 1593 01:43:13,890 --> 01:43:17,880 you're more than just someone to sell products to, you're more 1594 01:43:17,880 --> 01:43:21,300 than just like a pod on the chessboard. And we all 1595 01:43:21,300 --> 01:43:25,320 prostitute ourselves in some way. shape or form. It's 1596 01:43:25,320 --> 01:43:28,800 somewhere in life. It's not only through sex, where the thing is, 1597 01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:30,270 is that with these 1598 01:43:31,500 --> 01:43:36,210 with these are women, I have to say our women of the market show 1599 01:43:36,210 --> 01:43:41,250 is targeted towards women specifically because at the end 1600 01:43:41,250 --> 01:43:44,160 of the day, they're the one that bought the majority of products 1601 01:43:44,160 --> 01:43:48,120 I make they make the decision to shelf at the shelf, right i mean 1602 01:43:50,070 --> 01:43:54,780 so that's why you get targeted in that way and your emotional 1603 01:43:57,180 --> 01:44:01,050 beings as well. So they tap into it, which I find very sick, to 1604 01:44:01,050 --> 01:44:02,130 be honest. And 1605 01:44:03,570 --> 01:44:08,880 I was an absolute corporate whore. I sold Budweiser and 1606 01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:12,690 Skittles and Neutrogena and all that for a living. 1607 01:44:13,980 --> 01:44:17,580 And I had a corporate master and I really didn't even realize it. 1608 01:44:19,410 --> 01:44:23,880 So absolute spot on Tiger auntie. But once you do realize 1609 01:44:23,880 --> 01:44:26,760 that once you choose a different path, which is much more 1610 01:44:26,760 --> 01:44:33,180 complicated often it's very liberating is Philip brown 142 1611 01:44:33,180 --> 01:44:38,940 and that comprise is comprised of 63 460-360-4464 and a hammy 1612 01:44:38,940 --> 01:44:45,090 on the X spot and five on it. 73k I five and TY 70 threes. 1613 01:44:45,090 --> 01:44:48,900 Kita five alpha Charlie Charlie, good to Good to see you there. 1614 01:44:48,900 --> 01:44:52,440 Philip. Thank you very much Ben Sterling. I know Ben. Ben is a 1615 01:44:52,440 --> 01:44:55,710 dude named Ben $100. And he says mo thank you for your courage 1616 01:44:55,710 --> 01:44:59,460 and what you do, please D dead meet me. Well, we can do that. 1617 01:45:01,199 --> 01:45:06,929 Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat. No more. If 1618 01:45:06,929 --> 01:45:09,239 you ever get around to it. I would love to hear an episode on 1619 01:45:09,239 --> 01:45:12,179 general Beauregard and Jim Linda Davis. 1620 01:45:13,469 --> 01:45:17,069 Halfway through Episode 63. And I must say amazing work. 1621 01:45:18,390 --> 01:45:20,490 Do I know these names? 1622 01:45:21,570 --> 01:45:25,680 Ah, they slipped past me. I'll have to look into them. This is 1623 01:45:25,680 --> 01:45:29,730 what I love about the value for value. It's, I mean, sure the 1624 01:45:29,730 --> 01:45:32,580 the donations are important, but it's the notes that always get 1625 01:45:32,580 --> 01:45:36,390 me it relates to this is people forgot. We could make it 1626 01:45:36,390 --> 01:45:39,900 interactive. Whoops. Here we go. As always, gentlemen. Oh, Adam, 1627 01:45:39,900 --> 01:45:41,940 for your part. Thank you for bringing us mo you're more than 1628 01:45:41,940 --> 01:45:44,490 welcome. It's my pleasure. I'm bringing mode to me. I'm 1629 01:45:44,490 --> 01:45:47,370 learning. As always, gentlemen, I truly appreciate the Frank 1630 01:45:47,370 --> 01:45:49,980 nature nature in which you just talk about the topics without 1631 01:45:49,980 --> 01:45:53,280 allowing any hard feelings. Baronet dude named Ben named 1632 01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:56,190 Ben, defender of the megawatts protector of the electric grid. 1633 01:45:56,190 --> 01:45:58,980 Very important guy in my life. Ben Stirling. Love that. Thank 1634 01:45:58,980 --> 01:45:59,310 you, Ben. 1635 01:46:00,450 --> 01:46:04,350 Joseph Barnes also $100 sorry about the drunk email about 1636 01:46:04,350 --> 01:46:07,770 Denzel Washington a few months ago. It's okay. We've all been 1637 01:46:07,770 --> 01:46:10,710 there. I'd love to hear a conversation about music history 1638 01:46:10,710 --> 01:46:13,590 and American culture through an impoverished black and white 1639 01:46:13,590 --> 01:46:18,600 communities IE Paul Wall and Mike Jones. No, this podcast is 1640 01:46:18,600 --> 01:46:22,440 show me a truth. I tried to pass to everyone I know. But a lot of 1641 01:46:22,470 --> 01:46:24,780 the conversation a lot of what we talked about is history, 1642 01:46:24,780 --> 01:46:26,700 American culture, etc. 1643 01:46:27,930 --> 01:46:30,900 Yeah, the real the real culture. Manufactured packaged culture. 1644 01:46:30,930 --> 01:46:33,900 Yes, it's not just what you saw on the movies, but the story 1645 01:46:33,900 --> 01:46:37,140 behind Dr. Thunder bunk funderburk 1646 01:46:38,310 --> 01:46:42,510 $100 thank you so much great donations, Mr. Moe said Mr. 1647 01:46:42,510 --> 01:46:44,820 Moke. Facts I think Mr. Moe facts thank you for your in 1648 01:46:44,820 --> 01:46:47,700 depth, broad stroke compassionate contribution to 1649 01:46:47,700 --> 01:46:51,270 mankind. You're easily the most influential person I've listened 1650 01:46:51,270 --> 01:46:55,080 to in the last five years. I have recently started a new job 1651 01:46:55,080 --> 01:46:57,600 with heavy labor and your podcast acts as my hearing 1652 01:46:57,600 --> 01:47:01,230 protection. getting me through hours of overtime. I only saw it 1653 01:47:01,230 --> 01:47:04,770 fit to return the value with a slice of my overtime pie. Adam 1654 01:47:04,800 --> 01:47:08,190 you're cool too. I do my best to spread this information to 1655 01:47:08,190 --> 01:47:11,220 everyone I know. phenomenal work service. This is the first of 1656 01:47:11,220 --> 01:47:14,550 many donations please give me some mo karma. Thank you very 1657 01:47:14,550 --> 01:47:17,970 much we love the Nina de douche into it. Let's see that he 1658 01:47:17,970 --> 01:47:22,500 didn't ask for it but but first donation dead beating then in 1659 01:47:22,500 --> 01:47:23,670 that case Excuse me, excuse me. 1660 01:47:25,980 --> 01:47:27,150 Sending you tons 1661 01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:35,220 that's okay. It means it's working. 1662 01:47:39,180 --> 01:47:43,560 $83 from rain Rutherford. Really appreciate all you do mo been 1663 01:47:43,560 --> 01:47:47,250 listening since episode one on a Joe no mo which means it came 1664 01:47:47,250 --> 01:47:51,420 from a Joe Rogan no agenda to mo facts. Every episode is well 1665 01:47:51,420 --> 01:47:55,350 researched and thought out leaving me Mind blown. I would 1666 01:47:55,350 --> 01:47:58,290 love to hear your opinion on the Great Migration back to the 1667 01:47:58,290 --> 01:47:58,890 south. 1668 01:48:01,140 --> 01:48:04,290 Yeah, and we're going through another iteration of that so 1669 01:48:04,290 --> 01:48:08,520 that definitely could be a topic for another show. Cool. And now 1670 01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:11,730 we have a two spot on show donations the first one from 1671 01:48:11,730 --> 01:48:17,610 Chris Bailey $64 brings it in on episode 64. And sir seats that 1672 01:48:17,610 --> 01:48:21,630 are $64 who says love is lit excited to hear mo on the behind 1673 01:48:21,660 --> 01:48:26,400 the schemes. Peter for eight above all love each other deeply 1674 01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:30,360 because love covers over a multitude of sins. I agree with 1675 01:48:30,360 --> 01:48:36,270 it. How can you not 5555 from Michael mccririck Can I please 1676 01:48:36,270 --> 01:48:38,640 have a D deadbeat and some mo karma 1677 01:48:40,350 --> 01:48:46,140 Congratulations. You're no longer dead be the mo karma is 1678 01:48:46,140 --> 01:48:49,650 for his baby as is the one he and his wife have coming in 1679 01:48:49,650 --> 01:48:51,900 August shows have been awesome recently. I appreciate your 1680 01:48:51,900 --> 01:48:53,970 perspective. Here it is your 1681 01:48:55,470 --> 01:48:55,950 mocha 1682 01:48:59,910 --> 01:49:02,550 now what these by the way our associate executive prusa should 1683 01:49:02,550 --> 01:49:06,780 have mentioned $100 and above is an executive producer and you 1684 01:49:06,780 --> 01:49:08,850 get the credits and the credits are really you can use them 1685 01:49:08,850 --> 01:49:11,670 anywhere you want. People should take note that these are 1686 01:49:11,730 --> 01:49:15,000 recognized in professional business when you are a producer 1687 01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:17,130 an executive producer or associate executive producer, 1688 01:49:17,250 --> 01:49:22,590 but mo facts with Adam Curry and 5291 comes from anonymous see we 1689 01:49:22,590 --> 01:49:25,770 have a monthly struggle session and in March I mentioned that 1690 01:49:25,770 --> 01:49:28,710 I'd been learning about a das and how much they deserve 1691 01:49:28,710 --> 01:49:33,030 reparations. They haven't asked my opinion since love what 1692 01:49:33,030 --> 01:49:35,610 you're doing could you send me links to the evidence of Obama 1693 01:49:35,610 --> 01:49:38,160 with the bushes I've been trying to convince my friends but they 1694 01:49:38,160 --> 01:49:42,420 are devotees of BBC News if you have the bill clinton slash 1695 01:49:42,420 --> 01:49:45,630 Little Rock slash cocaine chicken receipts they will be an 1696 01:49:45,630 --> 01:49:51,180 added bonus well there's that is easy I mean you can find the all 1697 01:49:51,180 --> 01:49:53,820 the clinton Little Rock stuff everywhere. 1698 01:49:55,140 --> 01:49:57,900 Obama with the bushes You mean that they're related because I 1699 01:49:57,900 --> 01:49:59,910 think that's also pretty common knowledge. 1700 01:50:00,750 --> 01:50:01,140 Isn't it? 1701 01:50:02,790 --> 01:50:07,290 A misuse means maybe maybe for us in America, so we'll give him 1702 01:50:07,290 --> 01:50:11,880 the benefit of the doubt. But yes, it's readily available. Um, 1703 01:50:12,600 --> 01:50:16,530 I'm glad to see it's working. Yes, exactly. It's reading. 1704 01:50:18,119 --> 01:50:19,169 Actually no more questions 1705 01:50:20,850 --> 01:50:24,450 and every word, and the only thing I would say is, I think we 1706 01:50:24,450 --> 01:50:28,650 prefer the term atonement. Yes, that's true. Now, which I like 1707 01:50:28,650 --> 01:50:31,530 it too. By the way, it's much more meaningful than 1708 01:50:31,530 --> 01:50:35,250 reparations. And that's what we have to do is redefine these 1709 01:50:35,250 --> 01:50:40,050 terms being used. We should call Edward Bernays. Maybe you can 1710 01:50:40,050 --> 01:50:41,550 give us some ideas and how to do it. 1711 01:50:43,110 --> 01:50:46,740 Eric off $51 in the quarter thanks for the show. Guys. Mo 1712 01:50:46,740 --> 01:50:49,170 you do so much research and the show was very interesting. 1713 01:50:49,170 --> 01:50:53,280 informative and entertaining. Thank you, Eric. Chris kimmich 1714 01:50:53,430 --> 01:50:57,300 $50.33 please D dead beat me. 1715 01:50:58,980 --> 01:51:05,040 Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat. Shout out to 1716 01:51:05,040 --> 01:51:09,030 john Kim she mo comma for all thank you for your courage mo 1717 01:51:09,030 --> 01:51:09,660 and Adam. 1718 01:51:11,340 --> 01:51:12,060 You've got 1719 01:51:16,500 --> 01:51:22,350 we have Ramon Johnson $50 what do you think about the 1619 1720 01:51:22,350 --> 01:51:26,100 project? Okay, my what episode should Ramon be listening to? 1721 01:51:26,100 --> 01:51:29,340 Because I know how would you ask me that question? He know I'm 1722 01:51:29,340 --> 01:51:33,930 terrible. We shout numbers. Ah, it's actually called 1619 right? 1723 01:51:33,930 --> 01:51:36,690 I think we was called 16 might think so. Was that was that we 1724 01:51:36,690 --> 01:51:40,890 actually titled it I've got things Oh, hold on. Let me Why 1725 01:51:40,890 --> 01:51:43,500 do you always do this with the numbers man they started to ring 1726 01:51:43,500 --> 01:51:43,890 together. 1727 01:51:44,940 --> 01:51:48,990 Why do I do it because you think it's bad for you? I have no idea 1728 01:51:48,990 --> 01:51:51,090 what I'm talking about. I don't know any of them yours. 1729 01:51:52,650 --> 01:51:58,530 And I'll find the number okay. You got it. As we move on to 1730 01:51:58,560 --> 01:52:02,250 summer Norris $50. These are the 50s which are the final 1731 01:52:02,250 --> 01:52:05,970 associate executive producers. And summer says armed with 1732 01:52:05,970 --> 01:52:08,970 knowledge learned from most history listen lists lesson on 1733 01:52:09,060 --> 01:52:14,070 chauvinism. My Russian boyfriend was able to slam an ill informed 1734 01:52:14,100 --> 01:52:17,790 woman who called him a male chauvinist by informing her of 1735 01:52:17,790 --> 01:52:20,160 the root and true definition of the word 1736 01:52:21,210 --> 01:52:23,490 well how did that turn out and why were you the more you The 1737 01:52:23,490 --> 01:52:26,040 more you know? Keep it up guys believe it or not. There's an 1738 01:52:26,070 --> 01:52:29,400 army of women in this country who deeply value the masculine 1739 01:52:29,400 --> 01:52:33,810 man. Guess what? I think we both believe it. No doubt. Thank you 1740 01:52:33,810 --> 01:52:38,850 for sharing. Douglas MOOC MOOC $50 weight weight with his show 1741 01:52:38,850 --> 01:52:45,660 37 a share. Wow, what it was okay. Ah, excellent. Yes. So 1742 01:52:45,660 --> 01:52:49,860 Ramon checkout show 37 Go to archive.mo facts.com. 1743 01:52:50,880 --> 01:52:54,570 Causeway Douglas mukarram. Oak $50. With no note thank you very 1744 01:52:54,570 --> 01:52:59,790 much Douglas. Joseph, sila No. Also $50 this is for Episode 63. 1745 01:52:59,790 --> 01:53:03,480 So we'll still get you on the episode. credits for 264 1746 01:53:03,480 --> 01:53:06,690 straight fire. You were schooling us on how to think 1747 01:53:06,750 --> 01:53:10,290 critical thinking skills not what to think all your episodes 1748 01:53:10,320 --> 01:53:13,110 are fire and it's time for me to support your work with Fiat 1749 01:53:13,110 --> 01:53:17,040 dollars. Joseph Thank you. We you can send the cookbooks we 1750 01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:21,000 also will take a boost from you can use a podcasting 2.0 app. 1751 01:53:21,180 --> 01:53:26,970 new podcast apps calm $50 from David roll. Who wants a biscuit 1752 01:53:26,970 --> 01:53:29,640 for his birthday? Ben get they'll do that right always 1753 01:53:29,640 --> 01:53:33,480 give me a biscuit on my birthday. And no mo I didn't 1754 01:53:33,480 --> 01:53:36,690 don't need you to butter it. Mo it's great. You're able to 1755 01:53:36,690 --> 01:53:40,860 revive the career of 90s dj vj Dan Cortez. 1756 01:53:42,810 --> 01:53:47,370 Cortez, Dan Cortez, I should say. So that's a nice backhand 1757 01:53:47,370 --> 01:53:49,830 of slam David. Thank you. I really appreciate it. I think 1758 01:53:49,860 --> 01:53:54,180 outlasted Dan Cortez when he came in with Do you remember 1759 01:53:54,180 --> 01:53:57,330 him? No, I do not. He came in 1760 01:53:58,950 --> 01:54:04,980 probably around 9192. And he was a handsome man. Young and he did 1761 01:54:04,980 --> 01:54:10,050 crazy to the extreme sports show on MTV. And it just it 1762 01:54:11,190 --> 01:54:16,740 vaguely caught fire. caught fire and he be flamed out after a 1763 01:54:16,740 --> 01:54:18,720 couple of years. I'm not sure what happened. I think he's did 1764 01:54:18,720 --> 01:54:19,530 a rockin job. 1765 01:54:20,790 --> 01:54:25,650 Oh, yeah. Yes. Yeah, the bad the basketball stuff. Where's Yeah, 1766 01:54:25,650 --> 01:54:28,560 yeah, I used to do Roxy. I used to do rock and jock when it was 1767 01:54:28,560 --> 01:54:33,330 baseball. And then Dan came in. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I can play 1768 01:54:33,330 --> 01:54:34,020 baseball. 1769 01:54:35,280 --> 01:54:38,100 That's one thing. I'm kind of fencing in baseball for some 1770 01:54:38,100 --> 01:54:43,980 reason. It's been a while. onward. Brandon Archer sends us 1771 01:54:43,980 --> 01:54:46,110 $50 and want to cancel cannon. 1772 01:54:49,620 --> 01:54:56,940 Yeah, there you go. Gregory Shin s Shin is ch e n e n n e z $50. 1773 01:54:56,940 --> 01:54:59,970 And no note we thank you very much. And now coming in 1774 01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:04,470 26 was $50 there is one more time Elvis the chef Rosenberg, 1775 01:55:04,470 --> 01:55:06,120 you know he wants that cancel cannon. 1776 01:55:08,670 --> 01:55:11,580 Thanks, chef, Chef, big supporter, big supporter of the 1777 01:55:11,580 --> 01:55:15,990 show. Yes, he is. And here we see David roll come in again. So 1778 01:55:15,990 --> 01:55:20,160 I'm actually thinking he should be an executive producer since 1779 01:55:20,160 --> 01:55:26,100 he told it's for two shows or two donations. It totals 100. So 1780 01:55:26,100 --> 01:55:27,210 I think he moves up. 1781 01:55:28,470 --> 01:55:31,410 But we will read his note here the second donation Can I get a 1782 01:55:31,410 --> 01:55:35,430 biscuit for America's birthday? They always give me a biscuit on 1783 01:55:35,430 --> 01:55:39,330 my birthday. Also was Morgan Freeman and Connie's birthday in 1784 01:55:39,330 --> 01:55:42,270 June but as Lionel Richie his birthday was on the 20th of June 1785 01:55:42,270 --> 01:55:45,930 we know he can last all night long, but we know he was dancing 1786 01:55:45,930 --> 01:55:48,570 on the ceiling Friday and finally let's knock out the 1787 01:55:48,570 --> 01:55:52,620 birthdays in June for Mike Tyson on the 30th biscuits for all or 1788 01:55:52,620 --> 01:55:56,460 none at all. Don't be stingy with the biscuits. Man biscuit 1789 01:55:56,460 --> 01:55:58,410 on my birthday. My two biscuits then. 1790 01:55:59,910 --> 01:56:04,200 David frenzy thank you David for the celebrity birthday vs. 1791 01:56:04,920 --> 01:56:10,350 Burnett haggis comes in with $50 as well associate executive 1792 01:56:10,350 --> 01:56:14,430 producer in the morning Adam and mo This is my first mo faccin 1793 01:56:14,430 --> 01:56:16,560 donation so please D dead beat me. 1794 01:56:18,240 --> 01:56:24,300 Congratulations. You're no longer dead be been a no agenda 1795 01:56:24,300 --> 01:56:27,090 producer since Episode 10. But just recently started listening 1796 01:56:27,090 --> 01:56:30,900 to mo facts as an evil straight white man. I find the 1797 01:56:30,900 --> 01:56:33,750 information discussed on the show to be insightful, thought 1798 01:56:33,750 --> 01:56:38,040 provoking eye opening and extremely necessary. Thank you 1799 01:56:38,040 --> 01:56:42,060 both for this power for show love is lit. Baronet haggis. 1800 01:56:42,240 --> 01:56:44,970 Thank you very much. Sir haggis. 1801 01:56:46,140 --> 01:56:50,580 David chaloner is a last associate executive producer. As 1802 01:56:50,580 --> 01:56:54,870 we round out this first thank you section of the show. And 1803 01:56:54,930 --> 01:56:58,050 David is very simple just said thank you. And we thank you and 1804 01:56:58,050 --> 01:57:01,320 we thank all of our executive producers, our big baller and 1805 01:57:01,320 --> 01:57:04,890 our associate executive producers for Episode 64 of mo 1806 01:57:04,890 --> 01:57:08,220 facts with Adam Curry. We will be thanking a few more people 1807 01:57:08,250 --> 01:57:11,910 later on in this episode. As always, if you want to support 1808 01:57:11,910 --> 01:57:15,510 us as value for value you can boost us through podcasting 2.0 1809 01:57:15,510 --> 01:57:21,540 app or send us your cookbooks go to Moe facts comm or go directly 1810 01:57:21,540 --> 01:57:25,410 to their nation page at mo funmi.com thank you very much 1811 01:57:25,410 --> 01:57:27,240 for supporting mo facts with Adam Curry. 1812 01:57:29,340 --> 01:57:34,770 I so we came out of a wit conspicuous consciousness. And 1813 01:57:34,800 --> 01:57:40,440 we have to look at is Harlem because Harlem in the night 1814 01:57:40,440 --> 01:57:45,420 saints when he was the ground zero jazz music knew what was 1815 01:57:45,420 --> 01:57:51,060 ground zero for flappers. And we know Harlem was 1816 01:57:52,320 --> 01:57:55,710 famously known for the black Harlem Renaissance. So we have 1817 01:57:55,710 --> 01:57:59,550 to go and look back and see who was conspicuously consuming 1818 01:58:00,120 --> 01:58:04,590 speakers Lee consuming consciousness at the time, and 1819 01:58:04,590 --> 01:58:09,360 there's another meme called Miss Anne in the black community. I'm 1820 01:58:09,360 --> 01:58:12,870 delighted to welcome Carla Kaplan to the program. And her 1821 01:58:12,870 --> 01:58:16,860 latest book, Miss Anne in Harlem, the white women of the 1822 01:58:16,860 --> 01:58:21,180 black Renaissance has just been published by Harper Collins, a 1823 01:58:21,180 --> 01:58:23,760 lots been written about the African American artists, 1824 01:58:23,760 --> 01:58:27,300 writers, entertainers and intellectuals who burst onto the 1825 01:58:27,300 --> 01:58:31,440 public scene during the Harlem Renaissance of the 1920s to the 1826 01:58:31,440 --> 01:58:36,000 mid 30s. Also well documented are the white men who encouraged 1827 01:58:36,000 --> 01:58:39,690 this outpouring of creativity and energy with their money and 1828 01:58:39,690 --> 01:58:43,050 influence. But what about the white women who were so drawn to 1829 01:58:43,050 --> 01:58:46,500 what was happening in Harlem, that they risked the derision of 1830 01:58:46,500 --> 01:58:50,130 their families to be a part of it, what they brought to Harlem, 1831 01:58:50,370 --> 01:58:53,850 and what they gained from it is the subject of Carla Kaplan's 1832 01:58:53,850 --> 01:58:58,560 book and our discussion today. Welcome. Thank you. So why a 1833 01:58:58,560 --> 01:59:02,130 book about the white women of the Harlem Renaissance? Well, 1834 01:59:02,130 --> 01:59:05,610 the first answer, the simplest answer is it's an untold story. 1835 01:59:05,670 --> 01:59:08,580 It was the last untold story really, of the Harlem 1836 01:59:08,580 --> 01:59:11,940 Renaissance and a story we didn't have at all. These were 1837 01:59:11,940 --> 01:59:16,110 women who were, as you say, risking extraordinary derision, 1838 01:59:16,110 --> 01:59:19,140 but also who were doing something that in their day was 1839 01:59:19,140 --> 01:59:22,980 considered unthinkable, choosing blackness over whiteness in the 1840 01:59:22,980 --> 01:59:28,200 1920s. And for so long, that choice ended up in some ways 1841 01:59:28,200 --> 01:59:31,740 making this an untold story. So the first reason to tell the 1842 01:59:31,740 --> 01:59:34,830 story is we needed it to fill out the rest of our history. 1843 01:59:35,550 --> 01:59:38,130 Okay, so I love this show. 1844 01:59:39,180 --> 01:59:43,050 Because only unmowed facts with Adam Curry, will you hear the 1845 01:59:43,050 --> 01:59:44,580 genesis of Karen? 1846 01:59:46,890 --> 01:59:49,680 Miss Anne has got to be the Karen of her day. 1847 01:59:50,730 --> 01:59:53,790 Well, Karen and Miss Aaron's look a little different, a 1848 01:59:53,820 --> 01:59:59,100 little different. Well, Miss Eric and up and Karen. So let's 1849 01:59:59,100 --> 01:59:59,970 just be clear, but 1850 02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:07,470 And is the steering hand behind the female steering hand behind 1851 02:00:07,500 --> 02:00:13,890 black movements, right? So these people came into Harlem, we're 1852 02:00:14,070 --> 02:00:17,040 gonna go through I think like three of them. And we're gonna 1853 02:00:17,040 --> 02:00:20,520 explore what happened in Harlem and look forward and see who 1854 02:00:20,520 --> 02:00:25,710 could possibly be the Miss and now staring the pot in these 1855 02:00:25,740 --> 02:00:31,950 conversations that you see with a mega stallion and Maxine 1856 02:00:31,950 --> 02:00:37,800 Waters, and Caitlin Greenwich, who who rubber stamp that? 1857 02:00:38,850 --> 02:00:42,090 Who gave their approval? I mean, they're not moving autonomously. 1858 02:00:42,900 --> 02:00:46,080 So I don't have an answer for that this year. Maybe they 1859 02:00:46,110 --> 02:00:51,150 outsource Miss. And to Caitlin Greenwich, that'll be a 1860 02:00:51,150 --> 02:00:54,990 possibility, then the best missed the best Miss Anne is a 1861 02:00:54,990 --> 02:00:59,100 black massager. Sure. Because they're very, they can be very 1862 02:00:59,280 --> 02:01:02,430 fly under the radar. So we have to go back. And like I said, 1863 02:01:02,430 --> 02:01:07,860 1920s were the origination of this. The youth movement are 1864 02:01:07,860 --> 02:01:12,960 pushing change through youth, and one of it is Harlem. So 1865 02:01:13,200 --> 02:01:16,710 we're gonna go through these clips. So let's go ahead and get 1866 02:01:16,710 --> 02:01:17,730 into them. Miss and 1867 02:01:18,780 --> 02:01:22,800 Miss Ann, where does the term come from? So as far as we know, 1868 02:01:22,920 --> 02:01:26,160 and I've done a lot of work trying to figure out where that 1869 02:01:26,160 --> 02:01:31,590 term first came from. It seems to have been a term coined well 1870 02:01:31,590 --> 02:01:36,120 before the Harlem Renaissance by black female, Southern domestic 1871 02:01:36,120 --> 02:01:39,510 workers, who were stuck in the kitchens of white women 1872 02:01:39,510 --> 02:01:44,760 employers for 12 hours a day, 14 hours a day, sometimes 17 and 19 1873 02:01:44,760 --> 02:01:49,560 hours a day, and could not afford to deride or disrespect 1874 02:01:49,560 --> 02:01:52,740 those women to their faces. They were employers, but behind their 1875 02:01:52,740 --> 02:01:56,040 back, they could refer to them categorically and dismiss them 1876 02:01:56,040 --> 02:02:00,510 as missing. Yes. And so it's the counterpart to Mr. Charlie and 1877 02:02:00,510 --> 02:02:04,680 Mr. Eddie, which are also derisive terms for white folks. 1878 02:02:04,740 --> 02:02:08,670 Okay. You chose about what there are a number of Miss Ann's in 1879 02:02:08,670 --> 02:02:12,270 our book, but you concentrated on maybe about a half dozen or 1880 02:02:12,270 --> 02:02:12,870 so of them. 1881 02:02:15,630 --> 02:02:19,740 The women are each fascinating in different ways. But was there 1882 02:02:19,740 --> 02:02:23,460 something that they all had in common? There were a number of 1883 02:02:23,460 --> 02:02:28,830 things they all had in common. One of them was that every one 1884 02:02:28,890 --> 02:02:31,860 of these women and you're exactly right, that the six are 1885 02:02:31,860 --> 02:02:35,820 very different. And in fact, I deliberately chose six who 1886 02:02:35,820 --> 02:02:40,260 exemplify a range of roles white women played in the black Harlem 1887 02:02:40,260 --> 02:02:44,640 Renaissance, so that readers could see women who were there 1888 02:02:44,640 --> 02:02:47,910 with honorable intentions, who were there with dishonorable 1889 02:02:47,910 --> 02:02:51,420 intentions and pretty much everything in between. But every 1890 02:02:51,420 --> 02:02:56,400 one of them shared an idea very novel in the 1920s. That 1891 02:02:56,400 --> 02:02:59,010 identity could be something other than biology. 1892 02:03:00,120 --> 02:03:06,780 Whoa, whoa, okay. So I've keep forgetting that you're from the 1893 02:03:06,780 --> 02:03:10,680 future so you thought that clip before I played it, and yeah, 1894 02:03:10,680 --> 02:03:15,000 yes. Miss and can be carrying in a perfect I mean, yeah, Miss and 1895 02:03:15,000 --> 02:03:20,850 can be Karen a perfect example is that is Rachel Nichols. And 1896 02:03:20,850 --> 02:03:24,960 that whole thing going over there, ESPN. See she was 1897 02:03:24,960 --> 02:03:29,040 surrounded herself around blackness. And she was the queen 1898 02:03:29,040 --> 02:03:32,760 bee. But then when it started to affect her in her pocket, she 1899 02:03:32,760 --> 02:03:36,060 went straight, Karen, saying, you know, their diversity hires. 1900 02:03:36,480 --> 02:03:41,700 Right. So is, is the, as long as I'm comfortable with it, I'll 1901 02:03:41,700 --> 02:03:46,260 allow you to be when it gets uncomfortable for me, then I'll 1902 02:03:46,260 --> 02:03:49,080 you know, I'll complain about it. And that's the problem. 1903 02:03:49,080 --> 02:03:50,700 We're going Whoa, because 1904 02:03:52,410 --> 02:03:55,230 eventually the noodle gun comes out, the cancel cannon hits you 1905 02:03:55,230 --> 02:03:58,410 if you're not careful, right, because it's a form of 1906 02:03:58,410 --> 02:04:01,380 consumption. So, it is by more and more and more, you know, how 1907 02:04:01,380 --> 02:04:07,050 can you never can be, your level of conspicuousness needs to go 1908 02:04:07,050 --> 02:04:10,890 to you know, something is unachievable. So, it's never 1909 02:04:10,920 --> 02:04:14,400 enough. You had to be okay with losing her job. Now, what she 1910 02:04:14,400 --> 02:04:18,390 said is what she said, um, but we're starting to see how these 1911 02:04:18,390 --> 02:04:20,730 people and you wish she would consider herself a liberal. 1912 02:04:22,470 --> 02:04:25,470 And all the things she that was liberal, when it starts to 1913 02:04:25,470 --> 02:04:28,620 affect her pocketbook, you see, come see a different reaction 1914 02:04:28,620 --> 02:04:31,680 with her choosing blackness over whiteness, that is being you 1915 02:04:31,680 --> 02:04:37,140 know, being conspicuous, cautious. So I think we stopped 1916 02:04:37,140 --> 02:04:40,230 at two, let's go and get into number three. And every one of 1917 02:04:40,230 --> 02:04:44,040 them believed that they could, in essence, volunteer for 1918 02:04:44,040 --> 02:04:48,120 blackness, each of these white women was in black Harlem, or 1919 02:04:48,120 --> 02:04:52,710 writing about black Harlem, in an effort, essentially to say, 1920 02:04:52,710 --> 02:04:56,880 sign me up. I want to be black too. This was an idea that was 1921 02:04:56,880 --> 02:04:59,970 very pioneering in the 1920s. And they all share 1922 02:05:00,930 --> 02:05:04,320 They were all also they were rule breakers. Absolutely in the 1923 02:05:04,320 --> 02:05:08,730 rule. Yeah. They tended to lead with their passions. Yeah. They 1924 02:05:08,730 --> 02:05:10,740 were committed to fair play. 1925 02:05:12,450 --> 02:05:14,130 They and they want to escape 1926 02:05:15,269 --> 02:05:16,079 the routine, 1927 02:05:17,220 --> 02:05:22,050 I guess white middle class or upper middle class womanhood and 1928 02:05:22,050 --> 02:05:23,730 often Africans that sat. 1929 02:05:24,810 --> 02:05:27,300 And they also wanted we're looking for a sense of purpose 1930 02:05:27,330 --> 02:05:28,500 is my sense. 1931 02:05:30,990 --> 02:05:36,300 And that's that's where the rub comes in. My existence is not an 1932 02:05:36,300 --> 02:05:41,670 escape for you. You can't volunteer for blackness. Now you 1933 02:05:41,670 --> 02:05:46,170 could be an ally. But because of the reason when if you're 1934 02:05:46,170 --> 02:05:48,570 volunteering for it, you always can, you know, 1935 02:05:49,620 --> 02:05:51,570 revert back, hold on a second. 1936 02:05:53,820 --> 02:05:57,660 Let's just look at it from another from another angle. If, 1937 02:05:58,050 --> 02:06:03,060 at the time, the white woman's life was so stifling for her, 1938 02:06:03,090 --> 02:06:06,360 because it wasn't like white women were all that much freer. 1939 02:06:06,360 --> 02:06:10,230 Certainly it mean, there was a lot of restrictions on women in 1940 02:06:10,230 --> 02:06:16,200 the 1920s. Still, and to let loose, to just feel like oh my 1941 02:06:16,200 --> 02:06:22,680 god, I mean, something else. They found this in, in jazz, 1942 02:06:22,980 --> 02:06:25,740 dance, roaring Harlem. 1943 02:06:28,950 --> 02:06:34,110 That's not necessary. I wouldn't say that's necessarily mean. I 1944 02:06:34,770 --> 02:06:38,580 miss you. Cuz you see the wait, no, I know what you said is it's 1945 02:06:38,580 --> 02:06:42,540 not it's not okay to use blackness to let loose. But, you 1946 02:06:42,540 --> 02:06:46,980 know, people do you know, go fishing to let loose. It's like 1947 02:06:46,980 --> 02:06:49,140 there's a whole bunch of people do a lot of things. Certainly 1948 02:06:49,140 --> 02:06:51,450 when it comes to alcohol and drugs. And if it's available 1949 02:06:51,450 --> 02:06:55,410 somewhere, you know, that's why you see white crackheads with 1950 02:06:55,410 --> 02:06:57,960 black crackheads, you know, right? It's it. I don't think 1951 02:06:57,960 --> 02:07:01,320 that's necessarily taking advantage of blackness. And what 1952 02:07:01,350 --> 02:07:05,340 what, what I'm saying about blackness is not enjoying the 1953 02:07:05,340 --> 02:07:08,670 culture. That's not what I mean, when i'm saying is you actually 1954 02:07:08,670 --> 02:07:13,650 try to be black. So you can never be that I mean, you can 1955 02:07:13,650 --> 02:07:17,040 never fully experienced it. That's just like, if I today 1956 02:07:17,040 --> 02:07:20,790 wanted to transition to a woman, I can never ever fully 1957 02:07:20,820 --> 02:07:24,240 experience the fullness of a woman. I don't care how much it 1958 02:07:24,450 --> 02:07:27,660 I try, right. There's certain things that I will never be able 1959 02:07:28,080 --> 02:07:32,340 to experience. And if I'm coming in a place if that's how I truly 1960 02:07:32,340 --> 02:07:37,140 feel, that's one thing. But as the light color, Caplin says it 1961 02:07:37,140 --> 02:07:42,150 was a form of escapism. So that knowledge I always say is this, 1962 02:07:42,150 --> 02:07:45,270 say you have women in your kitchen cooking, and you're 1963 02:07:45,270 --> 02:07:48,540 like, you know what, this pathway stuff hot? Well, this 1964 02:07:48,540 --> 02:07:51,330 living in this house is boring. Let me come in there and cook 1965 02:07:51,330 --> 02:07:54,840 with you for a minute. Like, you have the option of coming here 1966 02:07:54,840 --> 02:07:57,930 and cook. And when you get tired, you can go and sit back 1967 02:07:57,930 --> 02:08:01,830 in your living room and drink a nice classic cuckoo nominate. 1968 02:08:02,220 --> 02:08:04,260 I'm here because of these are the 1969 02:08:05,520 --> 02:08:06,660 the circumstances. 1970 02:08:07,740 --> 02:08:09,990 Right? And that's what that's what I'm just saying you can't. 1971 02:08:10,620 --> 02:08:14,370 And then. And I'll say this, you can't volunteer for another 1972 02:08:14,370 --> 02:08:19,140 person's culture. You just can't unless you completely embrace 1973 02:08:19,140 --> 02:08:23,700 it. Now, for instance, say if you want to, you see this right? 1974 02:08:23,700 --> 02:08:27,240 Well, maybe Americans will not. That's just being disingenuous, 1975 02:08:27,270 --> 02:08:30,450 you know, if someone's Oh, I like Rachel dollars off. You 1976 02:08:30,450 --> 02:08:34,830 know, that's just dish ingenuity. Well, I don't know. 1977 02:08:34,860 --> 02:08:37,980 I'll see. Right, your dollars out is different. So you met, 1978 02:08:38,130 --> 02:08:42,270 she fully embraced it. Let's say she was living as a black woman. 1979 02:08:42,300 --> 02:08:45,900 I mean, legally. So all the things that came with it, 1980 02:08:46,290 --> 02:08:50,850 whereas she would be but she didn't matter it but she didn't 1981 02:08:50,910 --> 02:08:53,790 live that through her formative years. She decided that all of a 1982 02:08:53,790 --> 02:08:57,630 sudden later in life, right? But she said everything that came 1983 02:08:57,630 --> 02:09:02,040 with it. She was saying like I mean she and it was it is very 1984 02:09:02,040 --> 02:09:06,390 it's a very new it's kind of like reverse passing. 1985 02:09:07,530 --> 02:09:10,080 We're gonna get into that but I don't want to stress it. 1986 02:09:11,190 --> 02:09:13,920 I say this let's get into the Miss and how they operate it 1987 02:09:13,920 --> 02:09:16,080 because I'm I'm speaking from a place of 1988 02:09:18,240 --> 02:09:19,860 knowing how this plays out. 1989 02:09:22,410 --> 02:09:24,450 I want you to hear it and then you'll see what I'm talking 1990 02:09:24,450 --> 02:09:29,040 about. Fair enough. Being being a and just experiencing the 1991 02:09:29,040 --> 02:09:34,290 different. Charlotte Osgood Mason, very different type of 1992 02:09:35,010 --> 02:09:38,190 very different Miss and tell us about her and much older This is 1993 02:09:38,190 --> 02:09:40,830 in part a book about two generations of white women who 1994 02:09:40,830 --> 02:09:44,460 became involved in black Harlem an older generation, which 1995 02:09:44,490 --> 02:09:47,910 Charlotte Osgood Mason, in many ways, exemplifies and a younger 1996 02:09:47,910 --> 02:09:52,470 generation now Mason, like Skylar was involved in black 1997 02:09:52,470 --> 02:09:55,440 politics partly for her own reasons. Again, she wanted a 1998 02:09:55,440 --> 02:09:58,980 wider social sphere. She wanted to make a difference. But 1999 02:09:58,980 --> 02:09:59,970 Charlotte Osgood may 2000 02:10:00,450 --> 02:10:02,670 She is one of the most complicated figures in this 2001 02:10:02,670 --> 02:10:07,830 book. She believes and I quote her now that she is a black God. 2002 02:10:08,190 --> 02:10:11,490 She also thought she was the world psychic physician, her 2003 02:10:11,490 --> 02:10:15,450 husband had been a famous spiritualist, and she believes 2004 02:10:15,450 --> 02:10:19,710 that certain people, they have to be very special people can 2005 02:10:19,710 --> 02:10:23,580 channel psychic vibrations, and she believes she can do that so 2006 02:10:23,580 --> 02:10:27,210 effectively, that she can heal the world. She's also a 2007 02:10:27,210 --> 02:10:31,980 primitive as she believes that American white mainstream 2008 02:10:31,980 --> 02:10:36,510 Western culture is played out washed out dried out depleted. 2009 02:10:36,840 --> 02:10:41,130 And the way it can be healed is to channel primitive energies, 2010 02:10:41,310 --> 02:10:45,450 the energies of so called childlike people like Native 2011 02:10:45,480 --> 02:10:49,920 American native African. Exactly. So what she sets out to 2012 02:10:49,920 --> 02:10:54,180 do very deliberately, she is going to build a bridge from 2013 02:10:54,180 --> 02:10:58,620 primitive Africa to washed out America and the bridge is going 2014 02:10:58,620 --> 02:11:01,770 to be through black Harlem. Okay, that's different. 2015 02:11:04,920 --> 02:11:08,880 It is not it okay. If you really wanted to live it, you will give 2016 02:11:08,880 --> 02:11:13,770 up all your personal possessions and start out at the bottom 2017 02:11:13,770 --> 02:11:18,210 right? If you really want to live it. Yeah. Right. But it's 2018 02:11:18,270 --> 02:11:20,820 no I want to come in as a black God 2019 02:11:21,840 --> 02:11:25,500 for you primitive people, cuz I'm here to be your Savior. 2020 02:11:25,530 --> 02:11:28,980 Yeah, it's a total different thing is I want to bring my 2021 02:11:28,980 --> 02:11:33,000 privilege in and maintain status, higher status in your 2022 02:11:33,000 --> 02:11:36,780 culture. It's my privilege benefits me. Is that also a 2023 02:11:36,780 --> 02:11:38,850 little bit what record companies do these days? 2024 02:11:40,710 --> 02:11:45,720 Also, a hip hop record record company, then look, who buys? 2025 02:11:47,070 --> 02:11:50,730 Who buys Megan, the stallion records is white girls. Right? 2026 02:11:51,120 --> 02:11:54,330 So they want to they want to experience through through the 2027 02:11:54,330 --> 02:11:59,370 music? Yes, it comes from a deep, long history kind of. 2028 02:12:01,170 --> 02:12:04,110 Yeah, and it's like the AV accurate African American 2029 02:12:04,590 --> 02:12:05,460 vernacular. 2030 02:12:06,750 --> 02:12:11,580 Same thing is, I can pick this up and put it down whenever I 2031 02:12:11,580 --> 02:12:15,420 want to. Right? It's not it's like a it's a it's a it's 2032 02:12:18,240 --> 02:12:23,820 it's by choice. Nobody wants to be on the bottom by choice. So 2033 02:12:23,820 --> 02:12:27,810 that's where it would never align. And she comes in. And her 2034 02:12:27,990 --> 02:12:31,350 perspective is black people are primitive, they're childlike. 2035 02:12:32,790 --> 02:12:36,240 And she has to be their Savior. The only thing that bothers me 2036 02:12:36,240 --> 02:12:41,280 about this particular topic. Sure, I have it myself. It's so 2037 02:12:41,490 --> 02:12:44,490 when I'm talking to you, and you know, calling code switching 2038 02:12:44,490 --> 02:12:45,540 whatever you want it to be. 2039 02:12:46,770 --> 02:12:51,720 I, I look, I talked to Dvorak in a certain way I talked to other 2040 02:12:51,720 --> 02:12:55,920 Friday, talk to good old boys here a certain way, then call it 2041 02:12:55,920 --> 02:12:57,240 code switching, whatever. 2042 02:12:58,320 --> 02:13:03,450 But it becomes complicated for me personally, when you say you 2043 02:13:03,450 --> 02:13:05,670 can just pick it up and put it down whenever you want. So if 2044 02:13:05,670 --> 02:13:08,880 I'm like, if I send you an emoji, that's a man, that's 100, 2045 02:13:09,060 --> 02:13:12,330 I'm, I literally do that to no one else. No, no, no, no, no, I 2046 02:13:12,330 --> 02:13:16,650 think we're, what I'm talking about is pick it up, let's like, 2047 02:13:16,980 --> 02:13:19,470 say, for instance, is this because I go to a Thai 2048 02:13:19,470 --> 02:13:24,390 restaurant and enjoy Thai food doesn't make me part trying to 2049 02:13:24,420 --> 02:13:28,980 participate in their culture, I produce and I enjoy what they 2050 02:13:28,980 --> 02:13:31,740 provide to that you're saying, and I want to get killed for 2051 02:13:31,740 --> 02:13:34,230 this, but the melting pot of America right? And with what we 2052 02:13:34,230 --> 02:13:37,350 kind of do we exchange different things, right? Sure. 2053 02:13:39,360 --> 02:13:42,960 You know, like white music, you know, if you listen to white 2054 02:13:42,960 --> 02:13:45,180 music, that mean you want to be white, right? That kind of 2055 02:13:45,180 --> 02:13:50,160 thing, is a difference when you try to embed yourself into a 2056 02:13:50,160 --> 02:13:55,110 culture and say, Okay, I know what's best for you all. It's 2057 02:13:55,110 --> 02:13:57,990 like you're going out now you're saying you know what? I know 2058 02:13:57,990 --> 02:14:00,360 what's best for everyone. You know, in the black community, 2059 02:14:00,360 --> 02:14:03,900 that kind of thing. You come in a place of learning to say, 2060 02:14:03,930 --> 02:14:06,180 Okay, how can I understand that's like see, first 2061 02:14:06,180 --> 02:14:10,080 understand and to be understood what these people came in with. 2062 02:14:10,290 --> 02:14:13,140 I know how to fix their problems. I'm born wild man. So 2063 02:14:13,140 --> 02:14:15,450 it's a win win. Got it? You've 2064 02:14:18,180 --> 02:14:21,030 been just so you know, it's incredibly uncomfortable for me 2065 02:14:21,030 --> 02:14:24,360 to be myself because I know if if one of my stepdaughters 2066 02:14:24,360 --> 02:14:27,270 caught me doing that with you. She goes apeshit over it. 2067 02:14:28,320 --> 02:14:32,880 But why? I mean, that's, that's it? Well, yes. Thank you. Why, 2068 02:14:32,880 --> 02:14:37,710 exactly. Just letting you know, I self censor myself in these 2069 02:14:37,710 --> 02:14:41,280 situations, which is an income power of the youth movement. 2070 02:14:41,280 --> 02:14:44,430 Going back to why they start with the kids because the kids 2071 02:14:44,430 --> 02:14:48,240 shame the parents into whatever the mass media thinks he's 2072 02:14:48,240 --> 02:14:52,290 doing. You're saying acceptable, whatever they deem acceptable 2073 02:14:52,290 --> 02:14:54,570 with the children set that standard now, it's COMPLETE 2074 02:14:54,570 --> 02:14:57,720 REVERSE world, where the parents usually set what the standard 2075 02:14:59,010 --> 02:15:00,000 is the completely opposite. 2076 02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:03,390 No. And I would wager that's because the kids are much more 2077 02:15:03,390 --> 02:15:07,200 savvy. They the parents used to control the television, the kids 2078 02:15:07,200 --> 02:15:08,340 control the internet. 2079 02:15:09,809 --> 02:15:13,529 Right for now. Yeah. For now, of course, for now, I mean, I mean, 2080 02:15:13,529 --> 02:15:16,349 that's the thing. I mean, just like with television, the kids 2081 02:15:16,349 --> 02:15:19,289 had the free time to watch television. But once you know, 2082 02:15:19,289 --> 02:15:21,569 if we got figured out, it's like, Hey, we need to take 2083 02:15:21,569 --> 02:15:24,029 control over this, then adults come in the room. Yeah. So I 2084 02:15:24,029 --> 02:15:26,489 mean, it's just that Mr. maturation process. And I'm not 2085 02:15:26,489 --> 02:15:30,359 saying all miss ads are bad, or people that try to come to the 2086 02:15:30,359 --> 02:15:32,969 community to help because I want to talk about we're gonna go 2087 02:15:32,969 --> 02:15:37,919 back to show 52 and talk about Mary Ann Wilson, and how she 2088 02:15:37,919 --> 02:15:40,859 talked about reparations on debate stage. This is part of 2089 02:15:40,859 --> 02:15:46,259 the dark underbelly of American society, racism, bigotry, and 2090 02:15:46,259 --> 02:15:49,019 the entire conversation that we're having here tonight. If 2091 02:15:49,019 --> 02:15:52,229 you think any of this wonkiness is going to deal with this dark 2092 02:15:52,229 --> 02:15:55,109 Psychic Force of the collectivized hatred that this 2093 02:15:55,109 --> 02:15:58,349 President is bringing up in this country, that I'm afraid that 2094 02:15:58,349 --> 02:16:00,929 the democrats are going to see some very dark days. And the 2095 02:16:00,929 --> 02:16:04,349 underlying cause has to do with deep, deep, deep realms of 2096 02:16:04,349 --> 02:16:07,469 racial injustice, both in our criminal justice system and in 2097 02:16:07,469 --> 02:16:10,709 our economic system. And the democratic party should be on 2098 02:16:10,709 --> 02:16:14,309 the side of reparations for slavery for this very reason. 2099 02:16:14,519 --> 02:16:17,459 You have been at the forefront of the discussion of reparation, 2100 02:16:17,459 --> 02:16:20,969 we're almost out of time, can you just give me a two seconds, 2101 02:16:21,149 --> 02:16:25,829 I want to make America and a country is like an individual 2102 02:16:25,859 --> 02:16:29,039 you can't have the future you want until you clean up the 2103 02:16:29,039 --> 02:16:29,819 past. 2104 02:16:31,560 --> 02:16:35,520 So my point here, we want to humanize these people, we never 2105 02:16:35,520 --> 02:16:39,360 dehumanize people to say everything they did was bad. 2106 02:16:39,660 --> 02:16:42,240 Just like Marianne Williamson, I think she was coming from a 2107 02:16:42,240 --> 02:16:47,580 place of good nature. Now the thing is, I don't think that 2108 02:16:48,420 --> 02:16:50,970 people fully understand what there 2109 02:16:53,100 --> 02:16:57,780 is you too, are dabbling, but what they're dealing with, you 2110 02:16:57,780 --> 02:16:59,460 know, when you start to 2111 02:17:01,740 --> 02:17:06,510 improperly try to patentees, this complex problem, complex 2112 02:17:06,510 --> 02:17:07,770 situation, we call it race. 2113 02:17:08,880 --> 02:17:11,490 No, it's just not as simple as going down and marching. 2114 02:17:12,870 --> 02:17:17,460 On Saturday. No, it's just like most people, a BLM sign is not 2115 02:17:17,460 --> 02:17:20,760 going to fix it overnight. What people think, well, 2116 02:17:20,760 --> 02:17:25,380 conspicuously I've done my part, or out of good faith, they can 2117 02:17:25,380 --> 02:17:29,550 say I've done my part. But it's no, this if you really want if 2118 02:17:29,550 --> 02:17:32,220 you, you have the option not to care. 2119 02:17:33,480 --> 02:17:36,420 I'm not saying people have to care, but if you're gonna care, 2120 02:17:37,020 --> 02:17:41,610 actually come in. with understanding and, and, and 2121 02:17:41,610 --> 02:17:45,960 being an ally. You hear these words thrown around. But 2122 02:17:47,160 --> 02:17:49,200 a lot of people don't believe in what they're doing. 2123 02:17:50,280 --> 02:17:53,640 You kind of you feel what I'm saying? Yes, of course, I do. 2124 02:17:53,640 --> 02:17:59,190 And and at 56, I look back, I would say, since I turned 50, 2125 02:17:59,190 --> 02:18:03,510 for sure. I look at a lot of stuff like oh my god, I was so 2126 02:18:03,510 --> 02:18:07,710 stupid, what an idiot. And a lot of people will grow up will 2127 02:18:07,710 --> 02:18:10,440 mature and come to have to come to terms with what what they 2128 02:18:10,440 --> 02:18:12,810 were a part of, and they will probably feel pretty dumb. 2129 02:18:14,460 --> 02:18:15,120 We all do 2130 02:18:16,710 --> 02:18:19,710 this, especially as human nature back and say, Man, if I knew 2131 02:18:19,710 --> 02:18:20,850 what I knew then now. 2132 02:18:21,900 --> 02:18:26,010 But what we have to understand is like, Where are these? This 2133 02:18:26,010 --> 02:18:29,460 information comes from, and a lot of it comes from outside 2134 02:18:29,460 --> 02:18:31,890 sources in our life. And that's the whole point I'm trying to 2135 02:18:31,890 --> 02:18:35,040 point out here. And I just want to show next, just continuing on 2136 02:18:35,040 --> 02:18:40,710 what Marianne Williamson is, when you dabble into things, you 2137 02:18:40,710 --> 02:18:46,020 may unconsciously unlock real pain. Oh, yeah, I love this 2138 02:18:46,020 --> 02:18:50,580 clip. I know it's cry 24. We see it today. And we even see it to 2139 02:18:50,580 --> 02:18:54,300 some extent in our own country, very dangerously. So is when 2140 02:18:54,300 --> 02:18:57,960 hatred becomes a social and political force. We must make 2141 02:18:57,960 --> 02:19:01,170 love a social and political force. And that has to start 2142 02:19:01,170 --> 02:19:04,770 with us. So for those of you who who would like to participate in 2143 02:19:04,770 --> 02:19:09,360 this, I'm going to now lead us in an apology from white 2144 02:19:09,390 --> 02:19:14,460 Americans to African Americans on behalf of our country, to you 2145 02:19:14,460 --> 02:19:18,480 and to your ancestors, and to all of your people. So to the 2146 02:19:18,480 --> 02:19:22,500 African Americans in the room who would wish and be willing to 2147 02:19:22,500 --> 02:19:24,450 participate in this please stand up. 2148 02:19:30,330 --> 02:19:33,870 And now I'd like to ask why Americans who are sitting are 2149 02:19:33,870 --> 02:19:39,480 near you to please stand up. And if the African American citizen 2150 02:19:39,480 --> 02:19:42,150 would would be willing to allow a white American who wishes to 2151 02:19:42,150 --> 02:19:45,210 apologize to you and to partners to hold your hands. Please 2152 02:19:45,210 --> 02:19:47,130 accept my apology this night. 2153 02:19:50,010 --> 02:19:52,560 It is for you and for your grandparents 2154 02:19:54,960 --> 02:19:56,850 and their grandparents before them 2155 02:19:58,350 --> 02:20:00,000 and their grandparents before 2156 02:20:42,900 --> 02:20:44,340 What if someone whispered to you? 2157 02:20:46,440 --> 02:20:50,430 I love you and I heard I heard something like black magic or 2158 02:20:50,430 --> 02:20:51,480 something. Oh, 2159 02:20:53,040 --> 02:20:55,110 I wonder bring it up. I'm glad you 2160 02:21:07,560 --> 02:21:11,010 asked the black man to go I couldn't I want a black man to 2161 02:21:11,010 --> 02:21:15,840 go over. And that is the epitome of what I'm saying. Y'all a lot. 2162 02:21:16,110 --> 02:21:20,130 All this pain, all this hurt. And then leaving for us to clean 2163 02:21:20,130 --> 02:21:20,310 up. 2164 02:21:21,600 --> 02:21:23,280 It was a white woman who was crying who was 2165 02:21:24,330 --> 02:21:27,360 black No, as a black woman, black woman crying. So let me 2166 02:21:27,360 --> 02:21:30,000 just paint the picture. Yeah. Do you have a black woman standing 2167 02:21:30,000 --> 02:21:32,280 in the center and all these white people like kind of 2168 02:21:32,280 --> 02:21:35,280 putting the hands around her? You're saying like, like, that 2169 02:21:35,280 --> 02:21:38,760 is so powerful shit, man, you have no idea what can happen 2170 02:21:38,760 --> 02:21:42,180 when you channel energy like that? That's my point. And then 2171 02:21:42,180 --> 02:21:43,200 witchcraft 2172 02:21:45,780 --> 02:21:51,510 is saying, I'm just saying what my point is, with this clip is 2173 02:21:51,690 --> 02:21:55,290 you open that door to generation after generation after 2174 02:21:55,290 --> 02:21:58,860 generation of pain. And it's like, oh, well, what a black 2175 02:21:58,860 --> 02:22:00,030 man, a black man. 2176 02:22:02,820 --> 02:22:07,080 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. That's this is what is the 2177 02:22:07,410 --> 02:22:11,640 microcosm of what the media is doing with this massage Noir. 2178 02:22:12,060 --> 02:22:15,840 This pitting black men and black women against each other. And 2179 02:22:15,840 --> 02:22:19,290 they truly think they're helping. I don't I don't. I 2180 02:22:19,350 --> 02:22:22,740 don't think there's some bad actors. There's some good actors 2181 02:22:22,740 --> 02:22:25,290 and then some in the middle are just like, Well, I think is 2182 02:22:25,290 --> 02:22:29,490 gonna help. I mean, let's open that door. And then when it gets 2183 02:22:29,490 --> 02:22:33,270 too hairy, what's behind that door? It's like, well, black 2184 02:22:33,270 --> 02:22:35,280 man. Because you don't want 2185 02:22:36,660 --> 02:22:39,690 you don't want a white man over cuz she might be triggered us 2186 02:22:39,690 --> 02:22:40,140 and. 2187 02:22:41,250 --> 02:22:46,440 And great case in point. I don't want to belabor the point. But 2188 02:22:46,440 --> 02:22:50,430 Exactly. That's exactly my point. And you had you open all 2189 02:22:50,430 --> 02:22:53,820 these doors in these channels. For people. I think Mary and 2190 02:22:53,820 --> 02:22:55,980 Wilson were coming from a good place. Some people might 2191 02:22:55,980 --> 02:22:59,370 disagree, disagree, of course. I mean, it could be a win win for 2192 02:22:59,370 --> 02:23:02,610 her. You know that she brings up these real topics that's going 2193 02:23:02,610 --> 02:23:07,620 on. But when you open that door, are you ready? Are you really 2194 02:23:07,620 --> 02:23:08,340 ready? 2195 02:23:10,140 --> 02:23:12,240 For that repressed pain, 2196 02:23:13,800 --> 02:23:15,420 and anguish and 2197 02:23:16,500 --> 02:23:17,910 emotion that comes with it? 2198 02:23:20,580 --> 02:23:21,060 Well, 2199 02:23:22,740 --> 02:23:25,620 you are I gotta give you credit, because you're still here after 2200 02:23:26,730 --> 02:23:28,260 63 episodes. 2201 02:23:29,610 --> 02:23:30,660 You didn't open the door. 2202 02:23:31,920 --> 02:23:32,970 Let me let me Oh, well. 2203 02:23:34,230 --> 02:23:38,460 You know, you actually show up, and it's gonna be like Malcolm 2204 02:23:38,460 --> 02:23:41,220 said, I'm going to be offended. You're going to be offended. But 2205 02:23:41,220 --> 02:23:43,890 guess what, we're gonna keep pushing through. And that's 2206 02:23:43,920 --> 02:23:48,720 actually doing the work of being uncomfortable. 2207 02:23:49,860 --> 02:23:51,900 Yes, well, I love my country. 2208 02:23:54,090 --> 02:23:54,540 Sometimes, 2209 02:23:55,680 --> 02:23:58,590 but it's not his here to come in, like the person standing in 2210 02:23:58,590 --> 02:24:01,770 that white fragility. But your back come here for three hours 2211 02:24:01,770 --> 02:24:04,230 for I would say your bad Adam. And that's why you're bad. I'll 2212 02:24:04,230 --> 02:24:06,600 miss while you're but you're saying it's like, Okay. Oh, 2213 02:24:06,600 --> 02:24:10,500 yeah, but I don't Yeah, exactly. Well, I come here because I love 2214 02:24:10,500 --> 02:24:13,770 my country. I want to understand it better. Because I love my 2215 02:24:13,770 --> 02:24:18,450 country. I love you. And I want to make it better if I can. But 2216 02:24:18,450 --> 02:24:20,580 I can't do anything if I don't understand. 2217 02:24:21,720 --> 02:24:25,440 And what they should have done was I okay, let a white person a 2218 02:24:25,440 --> 02:24:29,040 black person out and have a real conversation. Instead of going 2219 02:24:29,040 --> 02:24:33,210 this psychic happening to the energy man. I mean, that's very 2220 02:24:33,210 --> 02:24:36,420 dangerous. And I mean, I'm saying that from a therapy 2221 02:24:36,420 --> 02:24:40,260 standpoint, you just can't jump into somebody and say, hey, 2222 02:24:41,400 --> 02:24:45,990 go to your darkest place. You know, and therapy so I'm just 2223 02:24:46,020 --> 02:24:46,440 okay. 2224 02:24:47,670 --> 02:24:52,140 with hands on with hands on that can be really I've done some 2225 02:24:52,140 --> 02:24:54,960 therapy can be really intense. Right. 2226 02:24:56,280 --> 02:24:59,790 So I guess we go back to me, I just want to paint the picture 2227 02:24:59,790 --> 02:24:59,970 of 2228 02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:04,140 Modern day Mrs. Anna how that looks and humanize her like we I 2229 02:25:04,140 --> 02:25:06,360 mean, we like Marianne Williamson we miss and she was 2230 02:25:06,360 --> 02:25:08,700 on the show. And we had her on the show. I was at the for a 2231 02:25:08,700 --> 02:25:13,380 while there. I was a proponent of her. what she's saying, is 2232 02:25:13,380 --> 02:25:16,500 some dark energy behind this. And there's a lot of pain behind 2233 02:25:16,500 --> 02:25:20,580 this. It's very true. But you just can't go and kick in open 2234 02:25:20,580 --> 02:25:25,290 doors. Unless you're ready. She went. She was a little bold on 2235 02:25:25,290 --> 02:25:26,610 that one. It's like 2236 02:25:27,810 --> 02:25:31,620 yeah, and by the way, I think that hurt her her presidential 2237 02:25:31,620 --> 02:25:33,090 run severely. 2238 02:25:34,350 --> 02:25:38,820 It did it may in India did well, and that goes to show you that 2239 02:25:38,970 --> 02:25:41,160 academia looks at her like a kook 2240 02:25:42,390 --> 02:25:47,310 many different ways, like wait a while, while in reality, just by 2241 02:25:47,340 --> 02:25:51,180 speaking spirituality and religion. We don't have to go 2242 02:25:51,180 --> 02:25:55,110 down the road of what she's what she's doing here is much closer 2243 02:25:55,110 --> 02:26:01,080 to black America than than white America in many aspects. That's 2244 02:26:01,080 --> 02:26:04,380 correct. And let's get back with Miss Anne and see the same 2245 02:26:04,380 --> 02:26:07,290 people like Charlotte Mason and now we're talking 2246 02:26:08,820 --> 02:26:12,540 more about what she believed. She is one of the most important 2247 02:26:12,540 --> 02:26:16,020 philanthropists of the Harlem Renaissance, one of the most 2248 02:26:16,020 --> 02:26:20,580 important white underwriters of black culture. But she does this 2249 02:26:20,580 --> 02:26:24,450 because she's going to heal modernity by channeling black 2250 02:26:24,480 --> 02:26:28,110 energy. So she comes in with a very sad agenda. On the other 2251 02:26:28,110 --> 02:26:32,370 hand, she has an enormous pocket book. This woman has virtually 2252 02:26:32,370 --> 02:26:37,050 unlimited funds, and she has an incredible eye for genius, and 2253 02:26:37,050 --> 02:26:40,680 she supports people like Sora Neale Hurston, Langston Hughes, 2254 02:26:40,680 --> 02:26:45,060 did she also support financially Alain Locke, she's very, almost 2255 02:26:45,060 --> 02:26:48,600 Okay, what did Alain Locke he was the one who stays with her. 2256 02:26:49,470 --> 02:26:52,560 Right up basically until her county Cullen was he had been 2257 02:26:52,650 --> 02:26:55,590 hounded Cohen was not a particular beneficiary. Although 2258 02:26:55,590 --> 02:26:58,200 she would have liked him to be she went after all of the 2259 02:26:58,200 --> 02:27:00,570 geniuses of the Harlem Renaissance and she recognized 2260 02:27:00,570 --> 02:27:04,290 their genius. This is enormously meaningful to them. So Zora 2261 02:27:04,290 --> 02:27:06,900 Neale Hurston and Langston Hughes and Alain Locke in 2262 02:27:06,900 --> 02:27:10,710 particular, were able to do much of the cultural work they did 2263 02:27:10,710 --> 02:27:13,920 because of her large mass of courts, right. But while she was 2264 02:27:13,950 --> 02:27:16,680 very generous, she was she was also monstrous, she was 2265 02:27:16,680 --> 02:27:20,070 demanding critical controlling of her protegees 2266 02:27:21,930 --> 02:27:26,220 who they called her godmother was that the term they call her 2267 02:27:26,220 --> 02:27:29,910 godmother, and she insisted on being called godmother by them, 2268 02:27:29,910 --> 02:27:35,070 but also by the white protegees. She was supporting. Hmm. Like 2269 02:27:35,070 --> 02:27:36,240 Fairy Godmother, 2270 02:27:37,440 --> 02:27:41,190 my godmother, godmother, but this is my point. If you're 2271 02:27:41,190 --> 02:27:46,110 coming in to say, Okay, are you here to give these people an 2272 02:27:46,140 --> 02:27:48,990 amplifier to their message? Are you here to control? 2273 02:27:50,640 --> 02:27:54,600 Yeah, yeah. Right. So I just want to point that out that 2274 02:27:55,680 --> 02:27:57,540 very few people give 2275 02:27:58,830 --> 02:28:03,390 their black understudy creative control, you see, record labels 2276 02:28:03,420 --> 02:28:06,090 you that's why it's a phenomenon. And let me just take 2277 02:28:06,090 --> 02:28:09,270 a quick aside, when like, artists first come out their 2278 02:28:09,270 --> 02:28:12,900 mixtapes and things be really good. But once they get signed, 2279 02:28:13,170 --> 02:28:15,750 and you have to sit in that room where you have 12 people who 2280 02:28:15,750 --> 02:28:19,590 they're not tapping into the culture, of deciding what songs 2281 02:28:19,590 --> 02:28:24,120 go on the album, they flop. Hmm. Because this control is like, 2282 02:28:24,150 --> 02:28:25,050 Oh, this would be great. 2283 02:28:26,100 --> 02:28:28,260 This is okay, this is a catchy tune, you know, that kind of 2284 02:28:28,260 --> 02:28:29,310 thing. Um, 2285 02:28:30,510 --> 02:28:33,780 but that's, that's that's just a quick aside. So we see the 2286 02:28:33,780 --> 02:28:37,350 control matrix of Mrs. And Miss Anne, excuse me. 2287 02:28:39,120 --> 02:28:42,390 We're going to continue on with another Miss and Fannie Hurst. 2288 02:28:43,080 --> 02:28:49,140 Tell us about Fannie Hurst. My least favorite. Fannie Hurst is 2289 02:28:49,170 --> 02:28:53,610 the character in this book who most exemplifies for me, a white 2290 02:28:53,610 --> 02:28:57,420 woman who comes into Harlem really for her own advantage and 2291 02:28:57,420 --> 02:29:02,430 truly for her own purposes. So she is there principally to 2292 02:29:02,430 --> 02:29:06,330 write imitation of life, which is I think most people know as a 2293 02:29:06,330 --> 02:29:09,690 movie rather than as a novel and she's they are largely because 2294 02:29:09,690 --> 02:29:12,990 of her friendship with Zora Neale Hurston always one of the 2295 02:29:12,990 --> 02:29:16,350 most uneven friendships in American interracial literary 2296 02:29:16,350 --> 02:29:19,860 history. Really? Yeah, it was always a friendship in which 2297 02:29:19,860 --> 02:29:24,150 Zora Neale Hurston called her Miss Hearst lifelong, and Fanny 2298 02:29:24,180 --> 02:29:26,880 always called her as his aura and Fanny Hearst was very 2299 02:29:26,880 --> 02:29:31,500 patronizing and her idea for imitation of life was given to 2300 02:29:31,500 --> 02:29:35,310 her by Zora Neale Hurston on a road trip. And Hearst is sitting 2301 02:29:35,310 --> 02:29:38,640 in the backseat while Hurston drives the entire time she sits 2302 02:29:38,640 --> 02:29:41,250 in the backseat like something out of Driving Miss Daisy, 2303 02:29:41,280 --> 02:29:45,600 right. But it's Driving Miss hearse. And the book was a 2304 02:29:45,600 --> 02:29:50,820 blockbuster hit buster, but it contains a lot of stereotypes 2305 02:29:50,850 --> 02:29:51,720 and a lot of 2306 02:29:53,190 --> 02:29:59,970 black dialect and her friends in in Harlem felt betrayed. 2307 02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:03,360 buy the book. Well now it was a blockbuster for white readers. 2308 02:30:03,360 --> 02:30:06,060 So I missed everything Fanny Hearst did with a blockbuster. I 2309 02:30:06,060 --> 02:30:09,090 mean in terms of sales. We have to remember Fanny Hearst was the 2310 02:30:09,090 --> 02:30:12,300 Stephen King of her day. She was the best selling author of her 2311 02:30:12,300 --> 02:30:12,810 time. 2312 02:30:15,420 --> 02:30:18,660 So Fanny Hart comes in with Zora Neale Hurston 2313 02:30:20,010 --> 02:30:23,250 Zora Neale Hurston again before we launch into that. Now, did 2314 02:30:23,250 --> 02:30:25,410 you already know about Fannie Hurst This is something you've 2315 02:30:25,410 --> 02:30:26,970 known about for years but this part of the 2316 02:30:28,770 --> 02:30:31,920 rabbit hole all this is rabbit hole. I mean, I knew of 2317 02:30:33,360 --> 02:30:36,900 you always know about outside money behind these movements. I 2318 02:30:36,900 --> 02:30:41,310 knew about a lane lock. But when I started digging back more into 2319 02:30:41,310 --> 02:30:45,570 that lane lock, I mean this is this is probably a year topic I 2320 02:30:45,570 --> 02:30:50,850 kind of earmarked to say who was behind him. And this gives me a 2321 02:30:50,850 --> 02:30:55,590 perfect opportunity and backdrop to discuss this to say 2322 02:30:57,090 --> 02:31:02,190 the same way Megan the stallion is being steered. The same way 2323 02:31:02,220 --> 02:31:06,000 is back then they were being steered the same way. Yes. And 2324 02:31:06,150 --> 02:31:10,410 Fanny had very close ties with Eleanor Roosevelt. So she was 2325 02:31:10,440 --> 02:31:14,250 did not know that she was the hi hi Illuminati, 2326 02:31:17,160 --> 02:31:21,510 white supremacy. And then on the other side. Zora Neale Hurston 2327 02:31:21,510 --> 02:31:26,070 was very into the hoodoo and Voodoo stuff. Yeah. 2328 02:31:27,210 --> 02:31:30,810 Like that out there. But it's one point I want to point out. 2329 02:31:31,050 --> 02:31:36,420 Zora Neale Hurston gave Fannie Fannie Hurst the idea for 2330 02:31:36,600 --> 02:31:40,740 imitations of life and imitation is alive well let's just get to 2331 02:31:40,740 --> 02:31:42,960 the trailing would discuss it more after the clip 2332 02:31:54,750 --> 02:31:58,080 starring Lana Turner as the great state and Star Lord 2333 02:31:58,080 --> 02:32:01,020 American men in her life. JOHN gavel 2334 02:32:03,180 --> 02:32:04,110 down O'Hurley. 2335 02:32:06,240 --> 02:32:06,990 Robert Alden 2336 02:32:08,010 --> 02:32:10,530 dramatise club wants to eat and sleep with you eat and sleep. 2337 02:32:11,190 --> 02:32:16,560 Disgusting it pays off. Her daughter Sandra beef. Susan 2338 02:32:16,560 --> 02:32:20,010 Connors was born to be hurt. I didn't want to have to come 2339 02:32:20,010 --> 02:32:23,100 through back doors or feel lower than other people or apologize. 2340 02:32:23,100 --> 02:32:25,140 My mother's because he can't help 2341 02:32:27,510 --> 02:32:31,560 but I can. Juanita more hers was the shave the 2342 02:32:32,790 --> 02:32:38,250 bear Jay Johnson. You put your coat on and Bambi uncomparable 2343 02:32:38,250 --> 02:32:39,360 my heel your Jackson 2344 02:32:48,900 --> 02:32:50,910 not asking you not to go down. They're telling you. 2345 02:32:52,140 --> 02:32:54,510 What makes you think you have that right? Because I love 2346 02:32:54,510 --> 02:32:55,080 yours. No, no, no. 2347 02:32:56,160 --> 02:32:57,270 No, Steve. I'm sorry. 2348 02:32:58,950 --> 02:33:03,450 All the kids talking behind my back. Is it true? Are you black? 2349 02:33:08,520 --> 02:33:12,960 I'd like to hold you in my arms once more. It was still my baby. 2350 02:33:13,920 --> 02:33:14,670 Alright. 2351 02:33:17,790 --> 02:33:18,180 Bye. 2352 02:33:38,580 --> 02:33:42,990 This, that clip made me really miss my mom, because she was 2353 02:33:42,990 --> 02:33:46,590 such a movie buff. And she would always talk about Lana Turner 2354 02:33:46,590 --> 02:33:52,110 and Sandra Dee and I am sure she would have had seen this movie 2355 02:33:52,110 --> 02:33:55,260 and would have she probably would have said it was the 2356 02:33:55,260 --> 02:33:58,290 precursor to the switch movies. Like big 2357 02:34:00,390 --> 02:34:05,070 like big or we were one of the other ones. Where you we swap 2358 02:34:05,070 --> 02:34:07,560 places with someone in some credulous way. 2359 02:34:09,420 --> 02:34:12,420 For me when you wake up your parents are that you know Yeah, 2360 02:34:12,420 --> 02:34:15,210 exactly, exactly. Because this was about passing. Correct. 2361 02:34:16,050 --> 02:34:19,710 Correct. And it was a little bit more than that. So 2362 02:34:20,820 --> 02:34:24,870 this that was the trailer from the 1959 movie. The original 2363 02:34:24,870 --> 02:34:29,040 movie was made in 1934 off of Fanny horse book. 2364 02:34:30,630 --> 02:34:34,260 So what we're gonna do now is go back from the TMC network they 2365 02:34:34,260 --> 02:34:38,070 did a break down on the movie, just the breakdown of characters 2366 02:34:38,070 --> 02:34:41,700 before we do that be as the white woman, Delilah is the 2367 02:34:41,700 --> 02:34:46,290 black woman which Delilah itself is a funny name to us. 2368 02:34:47,400 --> 02:34:50,130 Because theater man you know the implications with Samson and 2369 02:34:50,130 --> 02:34:51,000 taking the man down. 2370 02:34:53,520 --> 02:34:57,690 The Hill Jesse is the black, white daughter and appeal as the 2371 02:34:57,690 --> 02:34:59,970 black daughter that can easily pass 2372 02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:03,090 for White. So just to set that out, let's go and get into 28 2373 02:35:04,890 --> 02:35:08,460 imitation of life ended up having just this extraordinary 2374 02:35:08,610 --> 02:35:12,930 impact on the African American community. Because it was really 2375 02:35:12,930 --> 02:35:17,700 the one Hollywood film of the Depression era that suggested 2376 02:35:18,720 --> 02:35:21,660 there was such a thing as a contemporary race problem in 2377 02:35:21,660 --> 02:35:22,230 America 2378 02:35:26,370 --> 02:35:30,330 tells the story of two women, a black woman and a white woman. 2379 02:35:33,030 --> 02:35:37,530 Each is without a husband. Each has a young daughter to race. At 2380 02:35:37,530 --> 02:35:40,050 one point in the movie, the black woman is preparing 2381 02:35:40,050 --> 02:35:43,830 breakfast for the white woman, the white woman so impressed 2382 02:35:43,890 --> 02:35:47,400 with her pancakes tasted so good. And all my life, how do 2383 02:35:47,400 --> 02:35:49,950 you make them fit the secret, and it's going to die with 2384 02:35:49,950 --> 02:35:50,520 Delilah. 2385 02:35:52,530 --> 02:35:56,010 She gives the recipe to the white woman, the white woman 2386 02:35:56,010 --> 02:36:00,750 eventually markets a mix based on that recipe. And then in one 2387 02:36:00,750 --> 02:36:04,260 sequence that today is unbelievable to us. The white 2388 02:36:04,260 --> 02:36:10,410 woman offers the black woman a 20% interest in the company. 2389 02:36:11,520 --> 02:36:14,550 Well, of course, it's very kind of the white woman, particularly 2390 02:36:14,550 --> 02:36:17,160 since without the black woman there would have been no company 2391 02:36:17,160 --> 02:36:21,180 whatsoever. Here to papers for you to sign. But 2392 02:36:23,430 --> 02:36:27,300 then you'll have a 20% interest in the Delilah cooperation, your 2393 02:36:28,350 --> 02:36:31,350 heartache comes to the two women in imitation of life because of 2394 02:36:31,350 --> 02:36:35,790 their daughters. And for the black woman. The great holiday 2395 02:36:35,790 --> 02:36:39,210 comes when her daughter decides to cross the color line and pass 2396 02:36:39,240 --> 02:36:39,930 for White. 2397 02:36:40,950 --> 02:36:45,960 Wow, she's a Delilah. Delilah is the black woman's name, right? 2398 02:36:48,150 --> 02:36:52,110 recipe sequence you know the pancake sequence? She's like, 2399 02:36:52,110 --> 02:36:54,000 No, I'm not saying that's my secret. And then 2400 02:36:54,030 --> 02:36:55,620 instantaneously, she tells her 2401 02:36:56,910 --> 02:37:00,990 whispers in my ear. Yeah, the secret is gonna die with her. 2402 02:37:01,560 --> 02:37:06,810 Wow, she B takes the pancake mix, creates a 2403 02:37:08,160 --> 02:37:12,120 successful product out of her recipe and then gives her 20% 2404 02:37:12,210 --> 02:37:12,630 Yeah. 2405 02:37:14,970 --> 02:37:17,880 I'm not sure that's good math. But anyway, um, 2406 02:37:21,360 --> 02:37:25,410 but then the guy says that's unbelievable. But I don't know 2407 02:37:25,410 --> 02:37:28,380 if he's being sarcastic. And he also says kinds I don't know if 2408 02:37:28,380 --> 02:37:31,290 he's being sarcastic. She's saying that. 2409 02:37:32,400 --> 02:37:35,190 Maybe she should have got more or is it unbelievable that she 2410 02:37:35,190 --> 02:37:38,880 gave her anything? I mean, it's very mass how he said that? Not? 2411 02:37:39,210 --> 02:37:44,460 To me, I've listed a clip of her time, but least 10 times. And I 2412 02:37:44,460 --> 02:37:48,720 can't quite pick on a mess. Yeah. And just so we have a 2413 02:37:48,720 --> 02:37:52,530 four. This is what we do and don't do anywhere else. There's 2414 02:37:52,530 --> 02:37:56,730 a term in the black community. It's called that's mighty wider 2415 02:37:56,730 --> 02:38:03,960 view. So it's us in between us to say if somebody does 2416 02:38:03,960 --> 02:38:06,930 something for you that they should do, but they try to make 2417 02:38:06,930 --> 02:38:11,760 a big deal out of it. What have you just fought for disclosure? 2418 02:38:13,170 --> 02:38:18,960 This is what happened. So say for instance, ah, okay, so I 2419 02:38:18,960 --> 02:38:22,440 borrow your car, right? And I'm like, hey, Adam, I borrowed your 2420 02:38:22,440 --> 02:38:24,780 car and I put some gas in it. 2421 02:38:26,880 --> 02:38:30,990 I'm like, this might be what he was saying. Because you're 2422 02:38:30,990 --> 02:38:33,900 supposed to put gas that people car in and say if you borrow it, 2423 02:38:33,930 --> 02:38:35,970 but I mean, just to give you some, some 2424 02:38:36,990 --> 02:38:39,720 think that's what he was saying. When he said that when he was 2425 02:38:39,720 --> 02:38:43,260 being tongue in cheek about that's kind of unbelievable. He 2426 02:38:43,260 --> 02:38:46,380 was saying that in a roundabout way. Like, you should. It's her 2427 02:38:46,380 --> 02:38:49,530 recipe you should give her a cut, or at least a half. Okay. 2428 02:38:50,220 --> 02:38:52,140 So I just want to I just want to lay that out. You know, 2429 02:38:53,250 --> 02:38:56,370 there is not only about the passing the passing a small 2430 02:38:56,370 --> 02:38:57,300 portion of the movie. 2431 02:38:58,320 --> 02:39:01,860 The bigger portion is the business relationship between B 2432 02:39:01,860 --> 02:39:03,720 and Elia. Right 2433 02:39:05,220 --> 02:39:08,040 now, I'm just I'm just still processing the mighty white. 2434 02:39:09,810 --> 02:39:10,770 That's actually new. 2435 02:39:12,360 --> 02:39:14,700 It's like basically, he 2436 02:39:16,050 --> 02:39:16,710 I understand, you 2437 02:39:17,820 --> 02:39:21,240 know, I understand it. I understand it. I just hadn't 2438 02:39:21,240 --> 02:39:24,540 heard it. I've heard white people I've heard in New York in 2439 02:39:24,540 --> 02:39:27,510 the in the late 80s. White people go as mighty white have 2440 02:39:27,510 --> 02:39:30,390 you know, as what does that mean? What does it mean? What is 2441 02:39:30,390 --> 02:39:33,900 exactly exactly what you just said, but you But you just said 2442 02:39:33,900 --> 02:39:36,870 no, this is how we talk and we say that's mighty YTV I didn't 2443 02:39:36,870 --> 02:39:40,170 know that that was still going on. That makes sense. I don't 2444 02:39:40,170 --> 02:39:42,510 know if people still use it. I mean, but just my generation, 2445 02:39:42,540 --> 02:39:47,010 older generations we use it to say like, you know, I 2446 02:39:47,010 --> 02:39:50,430 simultaneously I was trying to think if if we have something 2447 02:39:50,430 --> 02:39:52,230 where we'd say something equivalent, I don't think I 2448 02:39:52,230 --> 02:39:53,430 don't believe it's there. 2449 02:39:54,510 --> 02:39:55,740 I don't think so either. 2450 02:39:56,820 --> 02:39:57,900 When I say 2451 02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:03,570 It's the same thing. Miss Anne wants to be patted on her back. 2452 02:40:03,600 --> 02:40:06,840 Oh, sure. What was the right thing? I don't want to detract 2453 02:40:06,840 --> 02:40:09,540 from the flow. I'm just stopping because I'm like, Huh, I didn't 2454 02:40:09,540 --> 02:40:09,780 know that. 2455 02:40:13,410 --> 02:40:17,880 they fully understand how he's saying it, analyzing the movie. 2456 02:40:18,330 --> 02:40:20,460 And I think that's what he wanted to say without actually 2457 02:40:20,460 --> 02:40:24,420 saying that term. He said, in a roundabout way. And I just want 2458 02:40:24,420 --> 02:40:27,420 to stop you there for one second, though. Anybody who is 2459 02:40:27,420 --> 02:40:31,470 listening to this, please show me where the Bruce Springsteen, 2460 02:40:31,500 --> 02:40:35,790 Barack Obama podcast goes down deep like this. Please show me 2461 02:40:35,790 --> 02:40:39,660 that. If you don't feel like you can just boost us if you don't 2462 02:40:39,660 --> 02:40:43,560 feel like it, send us a boost. It is that superficial? I 2463 02:40:43,560 --> 02:40:46,830 appreciate you so much, Moses. Great. So let's just get into 2464 02:40:46,830 --> 02:40:54,030 29. The director john Stoll was determined to find a white 2465 02:40:54,030 --> 02:40:58,290 looking black actress to play this light skinned young black 2466 02:40:58,290 --> 02:41:01,710 woman, they turned her eyes in New York City. And that's where 2467 02:41:01,740 --> 02:41:05,490 they solve Friday, Washington. And Friday, Washington was known 2468 02:41:05,520 --> 02:41:10,080 as the girl with the boy's name, the black girl with the green 2469 02:41:10,080 --> 02:41:16,170 eyes. The black girl who looked quite early in her career, she 2470 02:41:16,170 --> 02:41:19,560 had been urged to pass for white, but she would have a 2471 02:41:19,560 --> 02:41:24,270 chance at a big career and she refused. She said, in essence, 2472 02:41:24,270 --> 02:41:28,830 she could never be anything other than what she was. Freddy 2473 02:41:28,830 --> 02:41:34,590 Washington told me that the one line in imitation of life that 2474 02:41:34,590 --> 02:41:38,220 she hated was the line when she said that she wanted to be 2475 02:41:38,280 --> 02:41:38,730 white. 2476 02:41:40,260 --> 02:41:41,280 What's my baby? 2477 02:41:48,210 --> 02:41:53,550 And prairie Washington said that the character she felt didn't 2478 02:41:53,550 --> 02:41:58,110 want to be white for the sake of whiteness, she wanted to be 2479 02:41:58,110 --> 02:42:03,780 white to have the same chances that everybody else in that 2480 02:42:03,780 --> 02:42:06,210 house was going to have. 2481 02:42:08,670 --> 02:42:13,050 On the one hand, the black audience really did pick up on 2482 02:42:13,050 --> 02:42:17,010 the thing that she wanted wide opportunities, and that they 2483 02:42:17,010 --> 02:42:22,110 could understand and connect to. But the audience could not 2484 02:42:22,110 --> 02:42:24,690 accept her rejection of her mother. And in essence, her 2485 02:42:24,690 --> 02:42:25,800 rejection of her culture. 2486 02:42:27,240 --> 02:42:29,970 Oh, this Oprah narrating right 2487 02:42:31,200 --> 02:42:33,210 now, sounds like Oprah. 2488 02:42:34,440 --> 02:42:38,010 That sounds like Oprah, whoever that guy is. He's got a careers 2489 02:42:38,040 --> 02:42:42,450 of sounding like Oprah. What this is the point while singing 2490 02:42:42,450 --> 02:42:47,730 about Miss Anne? And why it's like, if you her like the black 2491 02:42:47,760 --> 02:42:53,940 audience was, how can you give up? Only your mother? Right? 2492 02:42:54,390 --> 02:42:59,130 Right. Like that's a real, like, how can you give up your culture 2493 02:42:59,130 --> 02:43:03,090 and your color? That's a real, that's a tall order. So when we 2494 02:43:03,090 --> 02:43:06,540 see people volunteering for blackness in like the midst, and 2495 02:43:07,200 --> 02:43:09,720 they're looked at the same way, but just you're saying the 2496 02:43:09,750 --> 02:43:13,410 opposite way, but how can you give up whiteness or your your 2497 02:43:13,410 --> 02:43:18,330 family or your I mean, this, this was a built in distrust. 2498 02:43:19,050 --> 02:43:22,200 When you have people dealing like that. It's like, Hold on, 2499 02:43:22,200 --> 02:43:25,380 wait, wait, wait, wait, you're gonna turn on your own family. 2500 02:43:25,950 --> 02:43:29,310 And that's where the term race traitor comes in. It's like, 2501 02:43:29,850 --> 02:43:30,540 Whoa, right? 2502 02:43:31,680 --> 02:43:32,670 Even though it's right. 2503 02:43:36,120 --> 02:43:41,220 You returned on your own family didn't I think underneath your 2504 02:43:41,220 --> 02:43:44,340 family, right? So you could easily turn on me? Mm hmm. So 2505 02:43:44,340 --> 02:43:47,640 that's why it's this weird sentence, this weird 2506 02:43:47,640 --> 02:43:50,100 relationship when you talk about and we all know race doesn't 2507 02:43:50,100 --> 02:43:54,150 exist in the form of actually being a real thing. It's, it's a 2508 02:43:54,420 --> 02:43:59,880 sense of legality. And that's where white versus whiteness 2509 02:43:59,880 --> 02:44:00,420 comes in. 2510 02:44:01,770 --> 02:44:04,590 People get degrees because they want to experience white and not 2511 02:44:04,590 --> 02:44:05,130 be white. 2512 02:44:07,320 --> 02:44:10,920 And what I mean by white is, we've talked about this no 2513 02:44:10,920 --> 02:44:12,690 nothing and no CBOE effect. 2514 02:44:14,850 --> 02:44:17,460 We wear masks because we want to, 2515 02:44:19,380 --> 02:44:25,920 you know, fit in and not be seen as political right. And it's 2516 02:44:25,920 --> 02:44:28,470 like, you know, not wearing a mask has a certain political 2517 02:44:28,470 --> 02:44:31,020 connotation to it. Right? And it's just like, I just want to 2518 02:44:31,020 --> 02:44:34,140 go out to the store and not be looked at funny. So we put the 2519 02:44:34,140 --> 02:44:37,200 mask on. You can understand we're saying is that whiteness 2520 02:44:37,200 --> 02:44:41,580 is the same way. I think I told you about my experience, going 2521 02:44:41,580 --> 02:44:47,520 to the to Whole Foods a couple of months ago and deciding I'm 2522 02:44:47,520 --> 02:44:50,790 tired of it. I'm going in without a mask. Bright and I 2523 02:44:50,790 --> 02:44:53,460 talked I talked to you about this. Yeah, I think we talked 2524 02:44:53,460 --> 02:44:56,790 about it. Not that this was a sample but I think we talked 2525 02:44:56,790 --> 02:44:59,970 about another experience. Oh well, we share so just 2526 02:45:00,510 --> 02:45:03,660 Now, you know, because I was like I'm gonna walk in, you'll 2527 02:45:03,660 --> 02:45:06,480 see what happens. I got a mask in my back pocket so I can 2528 02:45:06,480 --> 02:45:09,810 always you know, bureau compliant if I have to. But the 2529 02:45:09,810 --> 02:45:13,680 whole ride 20 minute ride. I was thinking about it like, how will 2530 02:45:13,680 --> 02:45:16,950 people look at me strange. And I thought this may be the closest 2531 02:45:16,950 --> 02:45:20,730 I could ever come to feeling how most sometimes may have felt or 2532 02:45:20,730 --> 02:45:23,250 may still feel in certain situations. 2533 02:45:24,840 --> 02:45:28,320 Yeah, and that's, that's my point is when you have to think 2534 02:45:28,320 --> 02:45:31,980 about it a that's That's it? That's it. That's all working 2535 02:45:32,010 --> 02:45:35,250 right there. Right? No, I totally agree. And it was the 2536 02:45:35,250 --> 02:45:39,120 first time that I really recognize like, Oh, this is 2537 02:45:39,120 --> 02:45:42,240 probably close to kind of what it feels like, not in an actual 2538 02:45:42,240 --> 02:45:45,630 situation, but just having to think about it on your way to a 2539 02:45:45,630 --> 02:45:51,600 certain situation. And that mask in your back pocket was the PhD. 2540 02:45:52,380 --> 02:45:53,850 That's why I called it Oh, sleep. 2541 02:45:56,250 --> 02:46:00,750 I have no problem as good as a good black man. You know, you're 2542 02:46:00,750 --> 02:46:02,970 still saying that's that mask? 2543 02:46:04,320 --> 02:46:10,920 Yes, yes. It shouldn't have to be that way. But it is that way. 2544 02:46:11,070 --> 02:46:16,860 If you prescribe to know the racial narrative. Now what I do 2545 02:46:16,860 --> 02:46:21,900 is I move about freely. Uh, you know, you get to you, I'm sure 2546 02:46:21,900 --> 02:46:24,000 you've gotten to the point now where it's I don't give a rat's 2547 02:46:24,000 --> 02:46:26,790 ass about where I'm asking now you're saying Mr. might say 2548 02:46:26,790 --> 02:46:29,370 something to me that we had to deal with? If you got to that 2549 02:46:29,370 --> 02:46:33,540 point. It was it was it was during that first experience 2550 02:46:33,540 --> 02:46:37,740 when no one looked at me. No one cared no stink. I was very 2551 02:46:37,740 --> 02:46:40,860 surprised. There was only one other person not wearing a mask. 2552 02:46:40,950 --> 02:46:43,920 Once I'd gone through that experience. And I had it for my 2553 02:46:43,980 --> 02:46:47,340 from my feeling a good experience. Like, okay, now I 2554 02:46:47,340 --> 02:46:51,090 don't care anymore. Now imagine that being hard baked Dan for 2555 02:46:51,090 --> 02:46:55,050 all your life. This is why bring it on the course. Of course. 2556 02:46:55,050 --> 02:46:59,730 That's why I bring it up. I say it for my for my fellow fellow 2557 02:46:59,730 --> 02:47:00,540 white people. 2558 02:47:01,590 --> 02:47:05,400 That was a very interesting experience for me. So now you 2559 02:47:05,400 --> 02:47:09,810 can understand how seductive passing is. A couple yes is 2560 02:47:09,810 --> 02:47:14,580 Yeah, just go back. Zora Neale Hurston was fair skin. Now she 2561 02:47:14,580 --> 02:47:18,210 wasn't fair enough to pass which I think has to be the most 2562 02:47:18,210 --> 02:47:23,460 tortured way to be because you're never be accepted fully 2563 02:47:23,460 --> 02:47:27,150 because the POV soon as you have privileged country lights in and 2564 02:47:27,150 --> 02:47:29,820 you're never be accepted in whiteness, but you're so close. 2565 02:47:30,270 --> 02:47:32,910 So I think that's part of where this movie came from. Cuz she 2566 02:47:32,940 --> 02:47:36,390 gave the story to Fannie Hurst. And the other part is with the 2567 02:47:36,390 --> 02:47:41,070 pancake recipe. Yeah, she's like Fanny, I gave you this story. 2568 02:47:41,520 --> 02:47:45,180 And I'll show she this this is art playing out playing his way 2569 02:47:45,180 --> 02:47:47,550 out on the screen real life playing his way out was really 2570 02:47:47,550 --> 02:47:51,360 hard. Mm hmm. The relationship between Zora Neale Hurston and 2571 02:47:51,360 --> 02:47:54,330 Fanny Hearst because like, I'll use gonna take my pancake recipe 2572 02:47:54,330 --> 02:47:59,280 and give me 20% she got that you see, I gave you the recipe. I 2573 02:47:59,280 --> 02:48:01,680 just don't have the infrastructure to you know, to 2574 02:48:02,100 --> 02:48:05,070 make it a company. Alright, so let's be real here. Mo for a 2575 02:48:05,070 --> 02:48:08,310 second. Yes, sure. So when we first started doing this 2576 02:48:08,310 --> 02:48:12,120 podcast, how long did it take before you finally how many 2577 02:48:12,120 --> 02:48:15,690 episodes before you said okay, Curry's on the up and up. How 2578 02:48:15,690 --> 02:48:19,170 can a trucking and create control the content or any of 2579 02:48:19,170 --> 02:48:19,590 that? 2580 02:48:21,180 --> 02:48:24,660 The day one when you didn't have a give me any expectations? That 2581 02:48:24,660 --> 02:48:27,270 can't be like I was gonna sound talk. Okay. 2582 02:48:28,800 --> 02:48:32,730 Because there was no And I mean, just for for clarity. I mean, we 2583 02:48:32,790 --> 02:48:36,450 have a gentlemen's agreement that we split when we make Yep, 2584 02:48:36,600 --> 02:48:40,800 you know, and that's that that's what it is. And it was, let's 2585 02:48:40,800 --> 02:48:47,280 see, if you lay it out up front. And you say if Bay with baby 2586 02:48:47,280 --> 02:48:49,710 would have said to Delilah, you know what, this kid pancake 2587 02:48:49,890 --> 02:48:53,190 recipe? I could do something with it. You know, how you feel 2588 02:48:53,190 --> 02:48:57,330 about 20%? You know, the business? If the lightly sizing 2589 02:48:57,360 --> 02:49:00,480 I have no problem with it, right? But it came back? Yeah. 2590 02:49:00,540 --> 02:49:04,110 After the fact he's like now that you haven't gone. Roll me 2591 02:49:04,110 --> 02:49:07,530 is like, oh, now we got to talk numbers. So I mean, just we 2592 02:49:07,530 --> 02:49:11,220 breaking the fourth wall again, but I'm just saying this is it's 2593 02:49:11,220 --> 02:49:15,870 very it's a very fluid situation when you talk about race because 2594 02:49:15,870 --> 02:49:19,290 all these things are baked in. You see all the artists that die 2595 02:49:19,290 --> 02:49:22,920 bro, you see all the athletes that die, bro and you wonder 2596 02:49:22,920 --> 02:49:24,180 like, How did this happen? 2597 02:49:26,670 --> 02:49:30,780 Or you see the black people taking the heat and they're Miss 2598 02:49:30,780 --> 02:49:31,950 ends behind them. 2599 02:49:33,360 --> 02:49:36,510 Live escape? Like you didn't hear anything about Fannie Hurst 2600 02:49:36,540 --> 02:49:40,920 you know, I mean, no, no. Right. If it goes left, she just gets 2601 02:49:40,920 --> 02:49:43,980 go back and live and live in her ordinary life. So I just want to 2602 02:49:43,980 --> 02:49:48,600 say one more thing. I just want Quick quick aside. I'm the 2603 02:49:48,600 --> 02:49:52,410 actress of Freddy Washington. This is why representation is 2604 02:49:52,410 --> 02:49:56,010 important and why the conversation between eight years 2605 02:49:56,010 --> 02:49:59,460 and not eight hours at the plan black roles. You had to have 2606 02:49:59,460 --> 02:49:59,970 somebody 2607 02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:04,620 Be able to internalize what it says to say, I want to be white, 2608 02:50:04,950 --> 02:50:08,190 because that only a person experienced that, or have the 2609 02:50:08,220 --> 02:50:13,170 option could perhaps black lack of better word channel, that 2610 02:50:13,170 --> 02:50:15,840 real feeling and bring it across on screen. So I just want to 2611 02:50:15,840 --> 02:50:17,820 make that quick point as well. Sure. 2612 02:50:18,930 --> 02:50:20,910 But moving on number 30. 2613 02:50:22,800 --> 02:50:27,210 On the one hand, the black audience really did pick up on 2614 02:50:27,210 --> 02:50:31,170 the thing that she wanted wide opportunities, and that they 2615 02:50:31,170 --> 02:50:36,240 could understand and connect to. But the audience could not 2616 02:50:36,240 --> 02:50:38,820 accept her rejection of her mother, and in essence, her 2617 02:50:38,820 --> 02:50:40,920 rejection of her culture. You 2618 02:50:44,850 --> 02:50:50,730 feel the child, I'm your mommy. But that's ridiculous. I never 2619 02:50:50,730 --> 02:50:52,050 saw you before in my life. 2620 02:50:53,970 --> 02:50:55,920 This woman doesn't know what she's talking about. 2621 02:51:00,570 --> 02:51:04,230 There's a great sequence. It's at the end of a party that 2622 02:51:04,230 --> 02:51:07,350 called at Cobo the white woman has given a noun she's made all 2623 02:51:07,350 --> 02:51:11,010 this money off this pancake recipe. And at the end of the 2624 02:51:11,010 --> 02:51:15,960 party, she and Delilah played by Louise beavers, they're talking 2625 02:51:16,170 --> 02:51:19,800 and Delilah is still subservient. And at the end of 2626 02:51:19,800 --> 02:51:25,650 the evening, they say goodnight to each other. And as they go to 2627 02:51:25,650 --> 02:51:30,300 their separate quarters, we see this beautiful home that really 2628 02:51:30,300 --> 02:51:34,320 Louise beavers pancake recipe is built, we see quite a co bear 2629 02:51:34,500 --> 02:51:38,580 ascend up the steps and Louise beavers to send downstairs. 2630 02:51:40,350 --> 02:51:45,210 And it's visually just striking that john Stoll has just put it 2631 02:51:45,210 --> 02:51:45,480 there. 2632 02:51:50,070 --> 02:51:55,560 So this is even after she's become successful, she owns 20% 2633 02:51:55,560 --> 02:51:58,800 share and business she still lives with this white woman be 2634 02:51:59,190 --> 02:52:03,300 in the basement, not having her own dwelling. And she plays in a 2635 02:52:03,300 --> 02:52:08,670 submissive role to her. Because in the same sheet, be kicked our 2636 02:52:08,670 --> 02:52:11,430 feet up on the couch and Delilah is rubber her feet now these are 2637 02:52:11,430 --> 02:52:12,390 two rich women. 2638 02:52:15,570 --> 02:52:19,830 Right? So I'm just saying that you see the same thing now that 2639 02:52:20,940 --> 02:52:23,730 a lot of times people don't want to go out on their own and build 2640 02:52:23,730 --> 02:52:27,360 their own thing. They want to live in the basement other 2641 02:52:27,360 --> 02:52:32,280 people things. Well, yeah, so that's a mental prison. That's a 2642 02:52:32,280 --> 02:52:34,740 mental prison. Lots of people are in most people are in that 2643 02:52:34,740 --> 02:52:38,310 probably? Most people are in it. Yes. And that's the thing is, 2644 02:52:39,420 --> 02:52:42,900 you would think they would be sisters. And I'm extrapolating a 2645 02:52:42,900 --> 02:52:48,150 lot of stuff here or you know, from these small clips, but when 2646 02:52:48,150 --> 02:52:51,840 you look at it, it's like, Okay, why she lived in a house where 2647 02:52:51,840 --> 02:52:52,290 her steel? 2648 02:52:53,370 --> 02:52:55,350 Yeah, because it's comfortable. 2649 02:52:57,420 --> 02:52:59,970 It's comfortable. You see what I'm saying is like, I don't want 2650 02:52:59,970 --> 02:53:03,420 to go out on my own. I want to live under this. And this is why 2651 02:53:03,420 --> 02:53:08,280 you get the Oprah's and all the other sane people that deal with 2652 02:53:08,280 --> 02:53:12,450 these big white corporate media companies. It's like why don't 2653 02:53:12,450 --> 02:53:14,430 you go out on your own and create your own thing. It's like 2654 02:53:14,430 --> 02:53:19,200 what's comfortable here? Now I rather just have my 20% and this 2655 02:53:19,230 --> 02:53:22,050 is this phenomenon some I mentioned in the notes with 2656 02:53:22,080 --> 02:53:25,560 Kwame Brown, and he's bringing up this thing Mama's cooking and 2657 02:53:25,560 --> 02:53:28,950 calling him out these people that back actually put the 2658 02:53:28,950 --> 02:53:32,850 battery in the backs of many boulais members call it what it 2659 02:53:32,850 --> 02:53:36,300 is. He called it the get go along and get alone game but 2660 02:53:36,300 --> 02:53:39,090 we've been calling the Boulay is basically 2661 02:53:40,230 --> 02:53:43,470 you have a nice room in their house. 2662 02:53:46,110 --> 02:53:51,240 Yeah, we need to be building our own houses. Now we could do 2663 02:53:51,240 --> 02:53:53,940 business with it, whoever but you have to have your autonomy. 2664 02:53:54,570 --> 02:53:57,870 But this has hundreds of years of trauma that has to be broken. 2665 02:53:58,620 --> 02:54:02,160 Right and but that's why we don't we got a we got a rover on 2666 02:54:02,160 --> 02:54:05,070 Mars. So I mean, I think we could do it. 2667 02:54:07,710 --> 02:54:10,440 Even the Chinese got a rover on Mars people. Let's get it 2668 02:54:10,440 --> 02:54:10,860 together. 2669 02:54:12,030 --> 02:54:15,150 Yes, I'm just I'm just saying like, I think it can be done. We 2670 02:54:15,150 --> 02:54:17,550 do it here every episode. That's just a great one to use on the 2671 02:54:17,550 --> 02:54:20,880 kids. Listen, that's a rover on Mars. You can do those chores, 2672 02:54:21,240 --> 02:54:21,660 right? 2673 02:54:23,430 --> 02:54:26,460 I don't see why people find things so hard. 2674 02:54:27,960 --> 02:54:29,280 Well, let's go to 31 2675 02:54:37,740 --> 02:54:40,350 I want to tell you how sorry I am for what I did to your 2676 02:54:41,490 --> 02:54:47,640 home better. All right. Come, come baby. Sit down. Don't feel 2677 02:54:47,640 --> 02:54:50,040 like you're really he has standing so far. 2678 02:54:52,140 --> 02:54:55,680 I've done everything you wanted me to. I went to that school 2679 02:54:55,680 --> 02:54:59,280 have tried to be happy there to please you. But I just couldn't 2680 02:54:59,280 --> 02:54:59,760 bear it. 2681 02:55:00,299 --> 02:55:04,829 I could never had to get away. I have this damn baby. We're gonna 2682 02:55:04,829 --> 02:55:08,879 forget all about it now. It's all right. But it is no right 2683 02:55:08,879 --> 02:55:14,039 mother. I want to talk to you about stairs, Dylan. No must be 2684 02:55:14,279 --> 02:55:18,989 your stay, please. I want you to hear too. What's my little baby 2685 02:55:18,989 --> 02:55:19,979 got on mine. 2686 02:55:24,750 --> 02:55:25,590 I want to go away. 2687 02:55:28,410 --> 02:55:29,160 Go away. 2688 02:55:30,810 --> 02:55:32,250 Go for Viola. 2689 02:55:34,110 --> 02:55:34,590 I mean, 2690 02:55:35,610 --> 02:55:39,690 by that I mean, I want to go away. And you mustn't see me you 2691 02:55:39,900 --> 02:55:44,190 own me. Or claim me or anything? I mean, 2692 02:55:45,330 --> 02:55:49,410 even if you pass me on the street, you have to pass me by 2693 02:55:50,100 --> 02:55:50,970 no appeal. 2694 02:55:52,380 --> 02:55:54,330 I know. It's terrible. And we must be 2695 02:55:56,220 --> 02:55:59,130 but you don't know what it is to look quite black. 2696 02:56:00,390 --> 02:56:01,230 You don't know. 2697 02:56:03,330 --> 02:56:04,770 Like you're going this way and 2698 02:56:06,990 --> 02:56:08,520 I can't give a baby. 2699 02:56:09,630 --> 02:56:10,230 A boy. 2700 02:56:14,220 --> 02:56:18,180 I love you have more you can guess. You can do this 2701 02:56:18,180 --> 02:56:21,900 commandment to do this. You got to promise me Mother. 2702 02:56:25,260 --> 02:56:25,770 Mother. 2703 02:56:28,410 --> 02:56:31,620 I got the spiritual strength. I can't. 2704 02:56:39,420 --> 02:56:40,650 And mode. 2705 02:56:43,680 --> 02:56:47,310 I think I need a little context around that one. Okay, so what's 2706 02:56:47,310 --> 02:56:48,120 happening is 2707 02:56:50,700 --> 02:56:53,790 the lie of his daughter. Actually, we lay out the 2708 02:56:53,790 --> 02:56:57,450 character I mean the characters again. So a lot is Dora piola. 2709 02:56:58,740 --> 02:57:03,960 She is looks white, because her father is a very light skin. So 2710 02:57:03,960 --> 02:57:07,830 she grows up living with in the house would be and Delilah and 2711 02:57:07,830 --> 02:57:12,150 Jessie the white girl. And so long she lived in this White 2712 02:57:12,150 --> 02:57:14,460 House and, and 2713 02:57:15,840 --> 02:57:19,290 looks white. She eventually just wants to shed her blackness is 2714 02:57:19,290 --> 02:57:23,220 my is not shared her mass, right? It's I don't want to wear 2715 02:57:23,220 --> 02:57:27,090 this mask anymore. Um, where she wants to actually wear the 2716 02:57:27,090 --> 02:57:30,600 master she can not be bothered. I mean, me father the metaphor. 2717 02:57:31,410 --> 02:57:35,190 So so that's what she's asking her mother like, Don't you see 2718 02:57:35,190 --> 02:57:37,980 me walking down the street, keep on going. don't acknowledge me, 2719 02:57:37,980 --> 02:57:40,410 you got to let me go. So I can be free, right. 2720 02:57:41,550 --> 02:57:44,490 And that's why the audience had a real problem with setting this 2721 02:57:44,490 --> 02:57:49,920 movie in the 1934 iteration, which 25 years later was made 2722 02:57:49,920 --> 02:57:52,620 again. So they show you these things are very powerful. That's 2723 02:57:52,620 --> 02:57:56,820 why they keep moving. Keep making them Excuse me. So come 2724 02:57:56,820 --> 02:57:59,460 on, understand, I can't give you up. You're saying you my child. 2725 02:57:59,490 --> 02:58:03,840 Yeah. Right. So this just goes to show you when you build up 2726 02:58:03,840 --> 02:58:05,790 things and other people's. 2727 02:58:06,900 --> 02:58:08,970 When you let other people set the value. 2728 02:58:10,170 --> 02:58:12,840 This is bound to happen, right? Your children are going to try 2729 02:58:12,840 --> 02:58:16,680 to go away from it. And what the way I tie this in is when you go 2730 02:58:16,680 --> 02:58:20,040 back to mama Rosie, she wanted her kids to go out to school, 2731 02:58:20,040 --> 02:58:22,950 but when you go to school, you learn new ideas and you lose the 2732 02:58:23,010 --> 02:58:27,480 appreciation for the old ideas. Does that make sense? Yeah, of 2733 02:58:27,480 --> 02:58:29,850 course and of course got it. Okay. I just want to make sure 2734 02:58:29,850 --> 02:58:32,400 I'm because it's kind of loopy. So I just wanted to make sure 2735 02:58:33,180 --> 02:58:36,540 everybody else is following along as well. That it's a 2736 02:58:36,540 --> 02:58:37,830 double edged sword. 2737 02:58:38,850 --> 02:58:42,060 When you you're saying we you validate yourself by whiteness, 2738 02:58:42,090 --> 02:58:45,150 or you validate yourself by and it's not even about white. We're 2739 02:58:45,150 --> 02:58:48,420 not talking about color here. It's not about the expectations 2740 02:58:48,420 --> 02:58:49,440 of the mass 2741 02:58:51,420 --> 02:58:55,290 agenda. The one we're I mean, which we call white supremacy 2742 02:58:55,290 --> 02:58:57,960 one world government it's like this is what this is what it 2743 02:58:57,960 --> 02:59:01,830 says to be wearing a mask taking the jab. Yeah. 2744 02:59:02,940 --> 02:59:06,480 Seat critical race theory, all these things. This is the this 2745 02:59:06,480 --> 02:59:09,150 is what acceptable. And if you don't subscribe to it, then 2746 02:59:09,180 --> 02:59:11,280 you're off your reservation you out. Yeah. 2747 02:59:12,330 --> 02:59:15,840 Right. So I mean, when you do that, it's always going to come 2748 02:59:15,840 --> 02:59:20,100 back and bite you in the butt eventually. And Delilah. She 2749 02:59:20,100 --> 02:59:23,970 loves to end with B and t hat or home money and we're saying she 2750 02:59:23,970 --> 02:59:26,730 was a part owner in a very successful company, but she 2751 02:59:26,730 --> 02:59:28,290 never moved her out our house. 2752 02:59:29,310 --> 02:59:33,420 And now it comes back home to roost because your own child 2753 02:59:33,420 --> 02:59:37,320 doesn't want to be what you identify us because she's lived 2754 02:59:37,320 --> 02:59:37,890 in this 2755 02:59:38,910 --> 02:59:43,860 other reality. And she has the ability to take part in me. Got 2756 02:59:43,860 --> 02:59:46,770 it. Same thing with education. That's why I'm tied to 2757 02:59:46,770 --> 02:59:50,190 education. When these people get these degrees. They think they 2758 02:59:50,190 --> 02:59:53,940 can operate and whiteness because they had their freedom 2759 02:59:53,940 --> 02:59:54,540 papers. 2760 02:59:55,860 --> 02:59:59,760 Yeah, well, but along with it, but along with it comes a whole 2761 02:59:59,760 --> 03:00:00,000 bunch of 2762 03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:03,120 responsibility of towing all the rest of the lines that have to 2763 03:00:03,120 --> 03:00:03,630 be towed. 2764 03:00:05,130 --> 03:00:06,390 This messed up, man. 2765 03:00:07,470 --> 03:00:10,260 Yes, it's a man. But I always say it starts with 2766 03:00:11,429 --> 03:00:15,149 a start. Oh, yeah, no, I, this is what I appreciate so much. 2767 03:00:15,149 --> 03:00:19,439 It's like, a lot of it's already here with us. Right? So what 2768 03:00:19,439 --> 03:00:22,019 we're going to do now is just for the sake of time, I think 2769 03:00:22,019 --> 03:00:25,379 pretty suit, which was kind of redundant. So 33, we're gonna 2770 03:00:25,379 --> 03:00:28,559 get into Okay, so this is this is the hot button issue right 2771 03:00:28,559 --> 03:00:30,989 here. This is where we might get canceled. 2772 03:00:35,880 --> 03:00:40,380 Cancel Canada, thank you and appropriate. So for the kiss 2773 03:00:40,380 --> 03:00:40,920 Academy. 2774 03:00:42,810 --> 03:00:47,580 Women wants to be worshipped. And we see this in modern, even 2775 03:00:47,580 --> 03:00:50,430 modern art. This goes back to the 2776 03:00:51,600 --> 03:00:55,050 Miss Ann's wanting to be called god mother and their gods and, 2777 03:00:55,320 --> 03:00:59,100 you know, feminists, you know, they're the guy you know, the 2778 03:00:59,100 --> 03:01:02,220 mother goddess and these kind of things. You see in movies like 2779 03:01:02,220 --> 03:01:05,160 that help bright the black women are following along behind the 2780 03:01:05,160 --> 03:01:09,420 white women. Or you saw it with Game of Thrones with Khaleesi. I 2781 03:01:09,420 --> 03:01:12,630 think her name was denarius. Targaryen she was the great 2782 03:01:12,630 --> 03:01:16,050 liberate the mother dragon right in the mother dragons. And she 2783 03:01:16,050 --> 03:01:19,560 was liberating all the brown people, this blonde, pale white 2784 03:01:19,560 --> 03:01:23,670 woman, listen, these things play out. But what they do is they 2785 03:01:23,670 --> 03:01:28,500 can convince women, especially black women, that they are God 2786 03:01:28,740 --> 03:01:33,990 themselves. Now that may sound crazy to you, Adam. And they are 2787 03:01:33,990 --> 03:01:36,810 meant to be worshipped. And this is their appreciation. This is 2788 03:01:36,810 --> 03:01:37,950 the whole worship thing 2789 03:01:39,630 --> 03:01:43,860 that we see going on, it's just not enough to appreciate women, 2790 03:01:43,860 --> 03:01:47,250 you have to bow down to him. And this thing has been festering on 2791 03:01:47,280 --> 03:01:52,680 our side for a very low Tom. And appropriate so this is canons 2792 03:01:52,680 --> 03:01:56,520 class, Nick Cannon. The black woman is God and he's talking to 2793 03:01:56,520 --> 03:02:00,270 gofree wine scientists have been digging up bones out of Africa 2794 03:02:00,270 --> 03:02:03,180 getting upset going fuck another 2795 03:02:05,070 --> 03:02:08,190 and it's traced to the black woman, which are the most 2796 03:02:08,190 --> 03:02:12,480 disrespected planet not disrespecting any other woman. 2797 03:02:12,600 --> 03:02:16,890 Women. You're all women. Man, you all matter. You all give 2798 03:02:16,890 --> 03:02:20,760 birth to all other than black women are all put on pedestals. 2799 03:02:21,090 --> 03:02:24,210 Black women need to be up there too. They have been over 2800 03:02:24,210 --> 03:02:27,990 sexualized and disrespected to always say, Yeah, I say to black 2801 03:02:27,990 --> 03:02:31,320 woman is God. And when you think about the humility, and what's 2802 03:02:31,320 --> 03:02:34,200 that come from? Think about the origin of the motherland and 2803 03:02:34,200 --> 03:02:37,920 where we come from. And at some point, to put yourself in that 2804 03:02:37,920 --> 03:02:40,530 godlike pasture you have to dis the God in which you've come 2805 03:02:40,530 --> 03:02:44,820 from and when you disrespect a woman you annihilate the culture 2806 03:02:44,820 --> 03:02:47,760 in which they come. That's a true, yes. No, that's a fact. 2807 03:02:47,790 --> 03:02:51,180 Yeah. And it's like, you can't say you love your culture. And 2808 03:02:51,180 --> 03:02:56,310 in this respect a woman have that. Damn right. Okay, weigh in 2809 03:02:56,310 --> 03:03:01,530 is Mr. Mo, take it away. Okay, so all this is based out of the 2810 03:03:01,560 --> 03:03:04,470 out of Africa theory, I'm sure you're aware that right? The 2811 03:03:04,470 --> 03:03:09,360 first people were black people. And this is where that primitive 2812 03:03:09,630 --> 03:03:13,710 narrative comes from that were their regional, but we're not 2813 03:03:13,710 --> 03:03:17,070 the best. You know, we're I mean, that's most brown people. 2814 03:03:17,070 --> 03:03:19,980 That's how I started that's, I'm just going by the myth and 2815 03:03:20,460 --> 03:03:23,220 conversation, how they're primitive people, Native 2816 03:03:23,220 --> 03:03:25,170 Americans seem the same way black people, you know, those 2817 03:03:25,170 --> 03:03:29,100 kind of things. So what they say is so weird, since Africa is the 2818 03:03:29,100 --> 03:03:33,330 cradle of civilization. The black woman must be the mother 2819 03:03:33,330 --> 03:03:36,300 of civilization, which I have no beef with that, if you want to 2820 03:03:36,300 --> 03:03:39,060 believe out of Africa theory, but the problem out of Africa 2821 03:03:39,060 --> 03:03:41,670 theory, just as a side note, it's probably one of the most 2822 03:03:41,670 --> 03:03:45,930 racist theories ever. Because what you're saying is people in 2823 03:03:45,960 --> 03:03:49,890 Africa were created, they stay there, while the rest of the 2824 03:03:49,890 --> 03:03:54,480 people made it all the way around the world. came through 2825 03:03:54,540 --> 03:03:58,560 Europe, Asia, down the Bering Strait and came to America, 2826 03:03:58,860 --> 03:04:01,800 which would be the Native Americans, all before black 2827 03:04:01,800 --> 03:04:03,600 people could make out the west coast of Africa. 2828 03:04:07,440 --> 03:04:09,630 We had to we had to hitch a ride to America. 2829 03:04:11,010 --> 03:04:13,800 Everybody had was on the on the train, but you couldn't make it 2830 03:04:13,800 --> 03:04:17,010 on what was the what's up for that? You tell me I mean, like, 2831 03:04:17,040 --> 03:04:20,730 okay, West Coast, Africa, the east coast of America is not 2832 03:04:20,730 --> 03:04:22,980 that far. When you think about you're saying everybody else, 2833 03:04:23,520 --> 03:04:27,990 track the globe, and was able to evolve and you know, now you see 2834 03:04:27,990 --> 03:04:29,970 where do you think the danger is when they start saying, oh, 2835 03:04:29,970 --> 03:04:32,490 we're primitive people were primitive in energy. This is 2836 03:04:32,490 --> 03:04:33,120 what they mean. 2837 03:04:34,290 --> 03:04:37,620 And he's white University support this to say, oh, black 2838 03:04:37,620 --> 03:04:41,010 woman, you're a god. And then they send us like a clip with 2839 03:04:41,760 --> 03:04:44,760 America and we were a black man here. This match. 2840 03:04:46,320 --> 03:04:49,080 How the hell can I deal with a woman think she's God? 2841 03:04:50,400 --> 03:04:54,540 Yeah. And then you have Nick Cannon. Last time I checked, 2842 03:04:54,840 --> 03:04:57,360 Nick Cannon one dating the most melanated women and having 2843 03:04:57,360 --> 03:04:59,850 children by him even though he got so far in the last six 2844 03:04:59,850 --> 03:05:00,000 months. 2845 03:05:00,450 --> 03:05:00,840 But 2846 03:05:06,839 --> 03:05:09,119 I heard a Russa in the wild the other day. 2847 03:05:11,160 --> 03:05:15,810 You know where, where we were, we were at the title company 2848 03:05:15,960 --> 03:05:21,000 closing on our house to sell the house. And the 2849 03:05:22,650 --> 03:05:28,140 the lady who was doing the closing black lady, and all of a 2850 03:05:28,140 --> 03:05:30,690 sudden she throws out a I don't know what we were talking about. 2851 03:05:30,690 --> 03:05:33,210 She's very funny. We're just chatting about a Whoops, I got 2852 03:05:34,380 --> 03:05:36,300 to go looks at me like we're 2853 03:05:38,130 --> 03:05:43,080 a long story long story. But she threw out a WUSA I got it. And I 2854 03:05:43,080 --> 03:05:46,020 drew it right back at it. And it was fun. It was it was it was a 2855 03:05:46,020 --> 03:05:49,320 fun moment, doing the work. And we understand that we seem to 2856 03:05:49,320 --> 03:05:53,250 seek first to understand then to be understood. But we have 2857 03:05:53,250 --> 03:05:56,730 people saying this. And when I'm saying I don't think any woman 2858 03:05:56,730 --> 03:06:00,450 is God. I don't think any human is God will exception one guy 2859 03:06:00,450 --> 03:06:02,910 but that's a totally different story for another day. But 2860 03:06:04,860 --> 03:06:07,860 how do you deal with that? You go to these universities and 2861 03:06:07,860 --> 03:06:11,640 this is what these liberal feminists are just gonna say or 2862 03:06:11,640 --> 03:06:16,500 blow up there but that your Gods but a rationality they see 2863 03:06:16,500 --> 03:06:19,260 themselves as gods, but it's like, oh, yeah, you can be in 2864 03:06:19,260 --> 03:06:22,050 God to sister let's like when he was in that kind of thing. It's 2865 03:06:22,050 --> 03:06:27,030 like, Whoa, whoa, whoa, yeah. But basically, not not healthy. 2866 03:06:27,060 --> 03:06:29,670 It's not healthy. It's not healthy. And then you see, I'm 2867 03:06:29,670 --> 03:06:31,620 just gonna go back to the transcript. Oh, their 2868 03:06:31,620 --> 03:06:36,660 interaction. He says a disrespect now, okay, says black 2869 03:06:36,660 --> 03:06:39,450 moving on the most disrespected. That's the Malcolm X mean, 2870 03:06:40,170 --> 03:06:44,040 playing out there, which I agree in some sense. 2871 03:06:45,570 --> 03:06:48,960 It says women, you're all all women matter. Whoa, whoa, whoa, 2872 03:06:48,960 --> 03:06:52,470 you can't say that. You can't say all women matters. That's 2873 03:06:52,470 --> 03:06:55,740 how you know, I'm being facetious here. But that's like 2874 03:06:55,740 --> 03:06:59,310 saying all laws matter. You're too old to be saying that. And 2875 03:06:59,310 --> 03:07:01,950 then you can't say all women matter. And then they say they 2876 03:07:01,950 --> 03:07:05,370 want to put black women on a pedestal too. So if you put them 2877 03:07:05,400 --> 03:07:08,460 on a pedestal, what are other women there and no one's on a 2878 03:07:08,460 --> 03:07:08,970 pedestal? 2879 03:07:11,760 --> 03:07:14,250 pedestal was is non existent, then you're all 2880 03:07:16,200 --> 03:07:19,170 trying to tell me black woman is God, but you don't want to put 2881 03:07:19,170 --> 03:07:22,890 her on a pedestal over other women? This is God we're talking 2882 03:07:22,890 --> 03:07:23,310 about here. 2883 03:07:26,160 --> 03:07:27,690 Yeah, I think that was just 2884 03:07:29,310 --> 03:07:35,550 those guys were Oh, no. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, a curry. See 2885 03:07:35,550 --> 03:07:35,970 this when 2886 03:07:37,200 --> 03:07:41,100 we go to the next level? This is a running theme in our 2887 03:07:41,100 --> 03:07:45,870 community. Okay, supported by science. What's the premise 2888 03:07:45,870 --> 03:07:49,170 science on my head? Yes, which is the Africa theory. It looks 2889 03:07:49,170 --> 03:07:52,050 like, like I said, that's one of the most racist thing I've ever 2890 03:07:52,140 --> 03:07:55,500 heard in my life. If you want to say if you want to go by the 2891 03:07:55,500 --> 03:07:57,720 narrative, but I'm just saying I'm just 2892 03:07:59,430 --> 03:08:03,150 but this is where it comes from. So when you have women going out 2893 03:08:03,150 --> 03:08:05,880 to these schools, and they've been indoctrinated, that they're 2894 03:08:05,880 --> 03:08:09,120 special at a very early age with gifted classes, all these 2895 03:08:09,120 --> 03:08:11,670 things, and then they go out to the Ivy League schools, and 2896 03:08:11,670 --> 03:08:14,100 they're probably one of a handful black women. And you 2897 03:08:14,100 --> 03:08:17,310 have these black women, women like all psych Queen, nurse, and 2898 03:08:17,310 --> 03:08:20,940 you're the Mother Earth, all women came from you. But what 2899 03:08:20,940 --> 03:08:23,340 they don't tell you is they think that Yeah, you're 2900 03:08:23,370 --> 03:08:25,830 primitive. Yeah, you're the first but you're not the best. 2901 03:08:26,010 --> 03:08:29,100 See, they won't say that to your face. It's like we're the 2902 03:08:29,190 --> 03:08:33,240 updated version. Because if your first we came after you, but 2903 03:08:33,240 --> 03:08:34,650 we're better. We're smarter than you. 2904 03:08:35,880 --> 03:08:38,340 Yeah, that primitive torquing energy that you got going on. 2905 03:08:40,110 --> 03:08:41,520 With a 2906 03:08:42,810 --> 03:08:45,720 I forget her name, the last lady that we looked at the African 2907 03:08:45,720 --> 03:08:48,090 lady. Um, oh, 2908 03:08:49,110 --> 03:08:49,890 Sarah, 2909 03:08:51,000 --> 03:08:54,930 are hot and Tonto on top. Yes, yes. So that's what they mean by 2910 03:08:54,930 --> 03:08:58,050 print of energy. Bless you. Let's champion your sexual I 2911 03:08:58,050 --> 03:09:01,380 sold them bring this thing full circle. So this is what they're 2912 03:09:01,380 --> 03:09:05,130 saying omega stallion all of them. Let us sex. Use your 2913 03:09:05,130 --> 03:09:08,850 sexual energy to bring people in. And we'll take our big white 2914 03:09:08,850 --> 03:09:11,430 brains. We'll take it from here. Don't worry. We got it. We got 2915 03:09:11,430 --> 03:09:15,810 it here. That's what I'm saying. Hmm. And these women fall for 2916 03:09:15,810 --> 03:09:18,690 this because they say, Well, this is a this is an elite 2917 03:09:18,690 --> 03:09:22,260 school. This is Ivy League school. Okay, what's your point? 2918 03:09:22,830 --> 03:09:26,370 Yeah, well, so clearly these Ivy League schools are really racist 2919 03:09:26,370 --> 03:09:28,560 in their entire demeanor. 2920 03:09:32,970 --> 03:09:37,680 I'll leave that there. But when we chop it up, because 2921 03:09:39,180 --> 03:09:42,570 yes, they are because they're the one that teach elitism and 2922 03:09:42,570 --> 03:09:45,570 all these strange thought processes come into our school 2923 03:09:45,570 --> 03:09:49,170 of thoughts come from? Yes, they are. You know, I was there was a 2924 03:09:49,170 --> 03:09:53,340 college campus, kind of like a supercut. And it was asking kids 2925 03:09:53,340 --> 03:09:56,370 if they felt America was racist, and 2926 03:09:57,900 --> 03:10:00,000 it was you know, you know what you 2927 03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:02,910 Gonna get with these kinds of man on the street questions. It 2928 03:10:02,910 --> 03:10:05,400 was in Washington DC, where everyone who's going to one of 2929 03:10:05,400 --> 03:10:08,670 these universities probably has a lot of financial privilege, 2930 03:10:08,670 --> 03:10:11,880 certainly. And but it was interesting. One girl said, 2931 03:10:11,940 --> 03:10:16,290 Well, I go to an HBCU. So of course, I think America is 2932 03:10:16,290 --> 03:10:18,570 racist. I thought that to be really interesting. 2933 03:10:22,230 --> 03:10:25,110 I don't know how she correlates that. Just saying, that's just 2934 03:10:25,110 --> 03:10:27,030 what popped up. It's like, because we know we're talking 2935 03:10:27,030 --> 03:10:29,640 about things that I don't know exactly what they're teaching in 2936 03:10:29,640 --> 03:10:31,680 universities, I have a pretty good idea for what they were 2937 03:10:31,680 --> 03:10:35,280 teaching. years ago. Yes, everything is racist. Everything 2938 03:10:35,280 --> 03:10:39,780 sex is a intersection intersectionality is really the 2939 03:10:39,780 --> 03:10:44,310 hidden is the hidden payload in this critical race theory, 2940 03:10:44,340 --> 03:10:46,410 right? It's written by the same person. 2941 03:10:48,840 --> 03:10:52,200 I mean, like we were on top of this way, I'm not sure I agree. 2942 03:10:52,200 --> 03:10:54,480 I'm just saying that historically, black colleges and 2943 03:10:54,480 --> 03:10:57,390 universities are doing the same thing and just probably even 2944 03:10:57,900 --> 03:11:01,410 turning up the heat. That historically not went to one but 2945 03:11:01,410 --> 03:11:04,950 most historic private ones. Let me be clear, most private 2946 03:11:04,950 --> 03:11:07,890 historic black colleges were created by white people in class 2947 03:11:07,890 --> 03:11:12,150 the brown paper bag test. Not only that, but your was Spelman 2948 03:11:12,150 --> 03:11:18,750 is named after Oh, yeah, right guys, I'm with the rich guy 2949 03:11:18,900 --> 03:11:22,710 Rockefeller, named after his wife's maiden name. Rockefeller 2950 03:11:22,710 --> 03:11:25,590 was spending money, Carnegie, Carnegie, all these people were 2951 03:11:25,590 --> 03:11:29,040 throwing money around and he schools and you can't have 2952 03:11:29,040 --> 03:11:32,730 independent thought. It's like no, no, no, no, it's still the 2953 03:11:32,730 --> 03:11:37,080 same Rockefeller Foundation Carnegie Foundation as a couple 2954 03:11:37,080 --> 03:11:40,650 more that as we talked to an hour ago that are still the ones 2955 03:11:40,650 --> 03:11:45,780 who mandate the curriculum, based on the money they donate 2956 03:11:45,780 --> 03:11:50,550 to the endowment and bring up hot button topics to see which 2957 03:11:50,550 --> 03:11:54,990 side they are without a lien. Oh, yeah, they got Lena on the 2958 03:11:54,990 --> 03:11:58,470 side of whatever their paymasters tell them the same. 2959 03:11:58,620 --> 03:12:01,740 And I say everybody got to make a living like tiger, Tiger on 2960 03:12:01,800 --> 03:12:05,100 artesyn. Everybody got to make a living we all prostitutes are 2961 03:12:05,100 --> 03:12:08,190 self aware, you're saying a little bit at a time. That's not 2962 03:12:08,190 --> 03:12:10,710 what I'm saying. It's not like it's exclusive, but 2963 03:12:12,840 --> 03:12:16,890 you have these people blowing your head up. And then they come 2964 03:12:16,890 --> 03:12:20,640 back into the quote unquote, community with all these new 2965 03:12:20,640 --> 03:12:24,180 thoughts and ideologies and it doesn't job anywhere, which 2966 03:12:24,180 --> 03:12:29,280 let's go ahead and jump into a brief overview of massage noir 2967 03:12:29,520 --> 03:12:33,240 with the Knave knee. Hey, what's up? It's Friday, so I'm gonna 2968 03:12:33,240 --> 03:12:36,690 keep it black, but I'm gonna keep it brief. They're not gonna 2969 03:12:36,690 --> 03:12:40,350 like this one. Hey. So I just want to talk to you today about 2970 03:12:40,350 --> 03:12:43,380 the thing called massage noir tell it is for black men to hear 2971 03:12:43,410 --> 03:12:46,020 for black woman to feel her for white people to pay attention to 2972 03:12:46,020 --> 03:12:48,120 in their endeavors for anti racism so they can better 2973 03:12:48,120 --> 03:12:51,420 understand intersectionality or listening to massage and why is 2974 03:12:51,420 --> 03:12:54,210 a specific type of sexism black women experience or what Maria 2975 03:12:54,210 --> 03:12:56,790 Bailey refers to as this specific hatred, dislike 2976 03:12:56,790 --> 03:12:59,760 distrust and prejudice directed toward black women. Now, we're 2977 03:12:59,760 --> 03:13:01,770 gonna talk about this subject any day of the week, but it's 2978 03:13:01,770 --> 03:13:04,500 different during Black History Month. Okay. Hello, somebody you 2979 03:13:04,500 --> 03:13:07,170 see earlier this week, I posted a real about Joanne Robinson, 2980 03:13:07,200 --> 03:13:09,720 the woman who was the actual brains and brains behind the 2981 03:13:09,720 --> 03:13:12,960 Montgomery Bus Boycott, not Dr. King, like most of us believed 2982 03:13:12,960 --> 03:13:15,270 or infer from our civil rights movement lessons in grade 2983 03:13:15,270 --> 03:13:17,820 school. And while I was just redirecting credit to give 2984 03:13:17,820 --> 03:13:21,000 credit where it was due somehow black men still found a way to 2985 03:13:21,000 --> 03:13:24,570 respond negatively saying I was disrespecting Dr. King's legacy 2986 03:13:24,570 --> 03:13:26,730 or that the women involved were irrelevant, because obviously 2987 03:13:26,730 --> 03:13:29,220 Dr. King was needed to pull it off. The Civil Rights Movement 2988 03:13:29,250 --> 03:13:32,190 was male dominated in terms of representation, largely part due 2989 03:13:32,190 --> 03:13:35,730 to respectability politics, what many conveniently forget. The 2990 03:13:35,730 --> 03:13:38,640 politics are inherently sexist, and this left many women on the 2991 03:13:38,640 --> 03:13:41,400 back burner or in the shadows of the movement like Mary Louise 2992 03:13:41,400 --> 03:13:44,460 Smith, who are just one of the many women who got arrested for 2993 03:13:44,460 --> 03:13:46,590 refusing to give up their seat on the Montgomery Bus before 2994 03:13:46,590 --> 03:13:49,740 Rosa Park and clotet Coleman. Yeah, Ella Baker she said don't 2995 03:13:49,740 --> 03:13:52,050 even worry about me, which I wasn't gonna do that anyway. And 2996 03:13:52,050 --> 03:13:53,760 yeah, I wasn't gonna do that anyway cuz that's just how y'all 2997 03:13:53,760 --> 03:13:56,430 are massage was not only resulted in black woman not 2998 03:13:56,430 --> 03:13:58,950 getting credit. Besides the war has also led a lot of black men 2999 03:13:58,950 --> 03:14:01,200 get away with doing a lot of things to black women make it 3000 03:14:01,200 --> 03:14:04,020 plain. And my thing is, if you're upset about us taking 3001 03:14:04,020 --> 03:14:07,290 some of these flowers and giving them to the women that deserve 3002 03:14:07,290 --> 03:14:07,530 them. 3003 03:14:08,850 --> 03:14:10,590 I'll just say you won't be mad at me for this. 3004 03:14:13,440 --> 03:14:16,620 Right now, who was? Who was Lynn Haven a. 3005 03:14:18,180 --> 03:14:23,610 Some talking head black feminist on YouTube. Okay, I just use her 3006 03:14:23,610 --> 03:14:25,740 as the chatterbox. Yeah. 3007 03:14:26,850 --> 03:14:28,950 Um, what's the point? 3008 03:14:30,540 --> 03:14:32,490 What's that mean? What are you? What are you saying here and 3009 03:14:32,490 --> 03:14:34,860 even your facts not even straight. We're gonna get to 3010 03:14:34,860 --> 03:14:38,880 that a little later, but just okay. Say for instance, if we 3011 03:14:38,880 --> 03:14:41,940 had the same black and I say we black man had the same mentality 3012 03:14:41,940 --> 03:14:45,360 as them. When the movie hidden colors can't be Hidden Figures 3013 03:14:45,360 --> 03:14:49,290 came out about the black female scientists at NASA, right? We 3014 03:14:49,290 --> 03:14:52,050 can say what about the black man at NASA? We don't have any 3015 03:14:52,050 --> 03:14:55,560 representation of black men in the movie. We know that it's 3016 03:14:55,560 --> 03:14:56,160 just as raw 3017 03:14:57,360 --> 03:14:59,880 little black girls into STEM. It's a good thing. 3018 03:15:00,599 --> 03:15:03,479 Right, we didn't we didn't come out how to tear down people. And 3019 03:15:03,479 --> 03:15:05,999 people say, well, Mo you made an episode about Martin Luther 3020 03:15:05,999 --> 03:15:09,089 King. Yeah, the shouted that he wasn't even in control of 3021 03:15:09,089 --> 03:15:12,659 himself, right? I'm always going back to the fall on the street, 3022 03:15:12,659 --> 03:15:14,969 not I'm not gonna stop looking where you want me to stop 3023 03:15:14,969 --> 03:15:18,599 looking at. I'm gonna follow the trail all the way back to who's 3024 03:15:18,599 --> 03:15:23,639 pulling the strings. And I even gave the credit, to MLK to say, 3025 03:15:24,089 --> 03:15:28,169 Yeah, he was control as being younger, because he was just the 3026 03:15:28,169 --> 03:15:29,999 same way as Greta Thornburg don't. 3027 03:15:31,830 --> 03:15:36,030 Um, he had no control over me he was being set up to be who he 3028 03:15:36,030 --> 03:15:38,880 was, by it was saying controlling factors at a very 3029 03:15:38,880 --> 03:15:42,060 young person. And then at one point, when he decided to change 3030 03:15:42,300 --> 03:15:45,150 and break narrative, you saw what happened to him. But I'm 3031 03:15:45,150 --> 03:15:47,460 not just gonna say I'm not just gonna tear him down for the sake 3032 03:15:47,460 --> 03:15:50,280 of tearing people down. That's not what we do here. But that's 3033 03:15:50,280 --> 03:15:55,080 what they do. It's like see sisters see famous sisters. Calm 3034 03:15:55,110 --> 03:15:57,930 down for the cause. I'm gonna turn out every black man I see. 3035 03:15:59,760 --> 03:16:03,090 To show their solidarity with white feminists. I mean, we're 3036 03:16:03,090 --> 03:16:04,950 going to talk about we're going to talk about it and this is 3037 03:16:04,950 --> 03:16:08,850 where it comes in respectability politics. This is what we need 3038 03:16:08,850 --> 03:16:11,970 to understand and with that, have 3039 03:16:13,230 --> 03:16:16,680 a new term for me I had not heard of this. Right and what 3040 03:16:16,680 --> 03:16:17,430 you're going to see how 3041 03:16:18,780 --> 03:16:22,470 how it's important to the overall overarching topic of the 3042 03:16:22,470 --> 03:16:26,580 show. 35 so this is Paul Laurence Dunbar we wear the 3043 03:16:26,580 --> 03:16:27,090 mask. 3044 03:16:28,800 --> 03:16:32,970 We wear the mask that grenzen lies, it hides their cheeks in 3045 03:16:32,970 --> 03:16:37,770 shades, their eyes, that we pay to human Guile with torn and 3046 03:16:37,770 --> 03:16:41,340 bleeding hearts, we smile, and mouth with mirrored subtleties. 3047 03:16:42,330 --> 03:16:46,440 Why should the world be over why, and counting all of our 3048 03:16:46,440 --> 03:16:51,690 tears and sighs? Nay, let them only see us while we wear the 3049 03:16:51,690 --> 03:16:57,180 mask. After reading the poem. My anxiety level tripled because I 3050 03:16:57,180 --> 03:17:01,650 realized that Paul Laurence Dunbar was talking about the 3051 03:17:01,650 --> 03:17:06,720 black American identity and identity that I hadn't really 3052 03:17:06,840 --> 03:17:11,250 quite grasped yet, something that I was deeply struggling 3053 03:17:11,250 --> 03:17:17,250 with. And now I realize, reading his poem that the mask he was 3054 03:17:17,250 --> 03:17:21,360 referring to, with the mask of respectability politics. 3055 03:17:22,980 --> 03:17:27,570 respectability politics is a tactic used by marginalized 3056 03:17:27,570 --> 03:17:33,540 groups to subvert or BIRT racism and stereotypes. And they do 3057 03:17:33,540 --> 03:17:38,130 this by doing the exact opposite of what the stereotype or racist 3058 03:17:38,130 --> 03:17:42,210 comment would suggest. So I'm an African American person, a 3059 03:17:42,210 --> 03:17:45,030 stereotype about African American people as we like to 3060 03:17:45,030 --> 03:17:48,720 listen to our music really, really loud. So if I was 3061 03:17:48,780 --> 03:17:52,080 practicing respectability politics, I would make sure that 3062 03:17:52,080 --> 03:17:55,830 when I was driving my car, I would turn my music on medium or 3063 03:17:55,830 --> 03:17:59,130 low not to disturb the other cars around me. Or if I'm having 3064 03:17:59,130 --> 03:18:02,010 a house party, have some friends over I'd make sure my music was 3065 03:18:02,010 --> 03:18:02,370 low. 3066 03:18:04,080 --> 03:18:09,240 Now the goal of respectability politics, is to raise the status 3067 03:18:09,660 --> 03:18:15,600 of the marginalized group by counteracting this stereotype. 3068 03:18:15,960 --> 03:18:17,580 Holy crap. 3069 03:18:21,510 --> 03:18:24,690 Yeah, okay. By the way, this is new to me. 3070 03:18:25,770 --> 03:18:28,800 The black people this is their music louder than white people 3071 03:18:28,800 --> 03:18:30,150 or brown people. Is that? 3072 03:18:31,740 --> 03:18:36,960 Not really no, oh, no See that? We may have music has more bass 3073 03:18:36,960 --> 03:18:40,740 in it. So it may trap me, but that, but let me get, excuse me. 3074 03:18:41,070 --> 03:18:44,670 Let me give you an example of that, by I had to fifteens 3075 03:18:44,670 --> 03:18:48,210 you're saying Yeah, you're knocking your car. Way too loud. 3076 03:18:48,210 --> 03:18:49,560 Probably going to be deaf because of it. 3077 03:18:50,970 --> 03:18:54,930 But my dad was, hey, before you turn that corner up there, turn 3078 03:18:54,930 --> 03:18:56,670 it down, you better have it turned down. 3079 03:18:58,380 --> 03:19:01,710 Now, because you know that you're black, and you know, you 3080 03:19:01,710 --> 03:19:04,080 don't understand I don't want you to be seen as black by 3081 03:19:04,080 --> 03:19:07,560 having you know, the loud music because they'll definitely give 3082 03:19:07,560 --> 03:19:11,070 it away. I think my skin would give it away. He was saying but 3083 03:19:11,340 --> 03:19:13,980 it was out of the fact that my neighbor works second shift, and 3084 03:19:13,980 --> 03:19:17,070 he slipped, right and my dad wanted to have his damn picture 3085 03:19:17,070 --> 03:19:22,500 shaking on his wall is it's out of respect. But see, this is the 3086 03:19:22,500 --> 03:19:25,650 dangerous. That's why I said these new ideas. They learn. 3087 03:19:25,680 --> 03:19:29,100 I've never heard of this term before my life until these women 3088 03:19:29,100 --> 03:19:32,490 started talking about it. So now let's say we put on some clothes 3089 03:19:32,670 --> 03:19:36,990 and be respectful. No, no, no. You put your oppression on me. 3090 03:19:38,160 --> 03:19:41,970 I should be able to work wherever I want to. Right. I 3091 03:19:41,970 --> 03:19:44,850 mean, like you participate in respectability politics when you 3092 03:19:44,850 --> 03:19:48,180 put the mask on, or if you put the mask on, right, I guess I 3093 03:19:48,180 --> 03:19:51,420 don't want to smoke today. I just want to go ahead and get 3094 03:19:51,420 --> 03:19:52,350 some steaks. Yeah. 3095 03:19:53,970 --> 03:19:57,960 So let me just put the mask on. So uh, so it is a real thing, 3096 03:19:57,960 --> 03:19:59,970 but now it's being spread. 3097 03:20:00,000 --> 03:20:05,010 out to everything is like any behavior. One of them being and 3098 03:20:05,010 --> 03:20:08,790 oh, I'm gonna hit a hot button here, the bonnets. Oh the 3099 03:20:08,790 --> 03:20:13,410 bonnets so the bonnet is this thing women wear to cover their 3100 03:20:13,410 --> 03:20:17,430 hair now, I understand why women wear bonnets like we used to be 3101 03:20:17,430 --> 03:20:19,890 like when your grandma had a hair curl with a little pink 3102 03:20:19,890 --> 03:20:23,430 curlers with that wax paper. She wanted her curls to be tight. So 3103 03:20:23,430 --> 03:20:26,280 she would have it curl rice and tight and put the cap over top 3104 03:20:26,280 --> 03:20:29,010 of it. So before she left the house, you were saying her curls 3105 03:20:29,010 --> 03:20:29,700 would fall out? 3106 03:20:30,810 --> 03:20:33,840 What was happening is these people are starting to wear out 3107 03:20:33,840 --> 03:20:36,420 in public. Yes, it is, oh, if you want to wear it out in 3108 03:20:36,420 --> 03:20:39,570 public, that's fine. But you got to have what comes along with 3109 03:20:39,570 --> 03:20:42,930 it. And understanding it looks like you did prepare yourself 3110 03:20:42,930 --> 03:20:46,710 for the day. Right? And because that's the origin of it is that 3111 03:20:47,640 --> 03:20:51,150 black women will have a house coat, or house dress, you know, 3112 03:20:51,570 --> 03:20:54,990 they rose with their bonnet and like, I'm not going to put my 3113 03:20:54,990 --> 03:20:57,780 clothes on. So I'd be nice and pressed and my hair be nice and 3114 03:20:57,780 --> 03:21:00,060 fresh when I take the rollers out before I walk out the door. 3115 03:21:00,540 --> 03:21:02,700 So when you walk out the door, it looks like you're prepared. 3116 03:21:02,700 --> 03:21:05,430 But when you say something, Oh, you were disrespecting my 3117 03:21:05,430 --> 03:21:09,660 respectability politics. Things like what? Wait, how tiring. 3118 03:21:12,180 --> 03:21:13,080 Now you see. 3119 03:21:16,740 --> 03:21:19,410 So now we're dealing with God, they can't understand every 3120 03:21:19,410 --> 03:21:20,190 question. 3121 03:21:23,460 --> 03:21:26,850 And not all like I said, I'm being in these other strollers. 3122 03:21:27,960 --> 03:21:31,440 That's why I say to the ladies that actually feel the same way 3123 03:21:31,440 --> 03:21:35,490 I do. We got your back if you speak up, but we can't speak up, 3124 03:21:35,520 --> 03:21:38,700 right? I mean, we can't say anything. It's like me trying to 3125 03:21:38,700 --> 03:21:40,860 make the case of a case on somebody's behalf. You don't 3126 03:21:40,860 --> 03:21:44,730 want to make a case for yourself. Right? So this is more 3127 03:21:44,760 --> 03:21:47,820 than this. Why I took my time with these episodes because it's 3128 03:21:47,820 --> 03:21:50,610 a very sensitive subject not only about black, but it's for 3129 03:21:50,610 --> 03:21:52,290 women. It's a very sensitive subject. 3130 03:21:53,400 --> 03:21:58,020 You know, women. I just found a I just found an article. 3131 03:21:59,040 --> 03:22:02,370 It was this your Tango, the power of black hair bond and why 3132 03:22:02,370 --> 03:22:08,760 it's not unprofessional to wear it outside. From January 8 2021. 3133 03:22:09,300 --> 03:22:14,880 What a publication your Tango, I'd have no idea what those 3134 03:22:14,910 --> 03:22:18,720 Exactly. I mean, it's like why are y'all putting so much energy 3135 03:22:18,750 --> 03:22:23,040 on? Like I said, and this is nothing I was mine. This is why 3136 03:22:23,040 --> 03:22:24,630 I got the Mars rover thing from 3137 03:22:26,130 --> 03:22:30,060 it's amazing that we can put our Mars rover on Mars, but we can't 3138 03:22:30,060 --> 03:22:34,890 safely straight in black hair. Hey, I'm gonna Hey, I'm gonna 3139 03:22:34,890 --> 03:22:36,060 give you that Bigley. 3140 03:22:37,230 --> 03:22:43,470 Yes, come on science. Because what it is, is it's a hot button 3141 03:22:43,470 --> 03:22:47,130 topic that you can make people feel self conscious about. So 3142 03:22:47,130 --> 03:22:50,460 that's why they don't want to come on. But I'll keep moving. 3143 03:22:50,460 --> 03:22:54,450 But respectability politics is the all encompassing shield to 3144 03:22:54,450 --> 03:22:56,700 push back against anything that you may 3145 03:22:58,380 --> 03:23:00,060 question about anybody. 3146 03:23:01,380 --> 03:23:04,290 I owe you want me you want to put me in a box, right? Kind of 3147 03:23:04,320 --> 03:23:07,080 this is where the court this is where the crown act comes from. 3148 03:23:07,080 --> 03:23:10,260 And all these things in that nature. Hey, I call roll. I used 3149 03:23:10,260 --> 03:23:12,990 to have the straight back and ever since Come on. But when I 3150 03:23:13,050 --> 03:23:15,510 had to get a security job was like, you got to cut your hair. 3151 03:23:15,660 --> 03:23:18,240 It's like well, do I want to look cool, but I want to work, 3152 03:23:18,270 --> 03:23:20,790 which is not right. That makes them I cut their hair. But at 3153 03:23:20,790 --> 03:23:25,890 the same time if you're trying to present a militaristic style 3154 03:23:25,890 --> 03:23:28,350 look, you got to have the fresh cut to go with it. You're 3155 03:23:28,350 --> 03:23:31,650 saying? It's just so you know, I was I was fired several times 3156 03:23:31,650 --> 03:23:34,530 for not cutting my hair. Oh, you should have called it 3157 03:23:34,530 --> 03:23:37,470 respectability politics. They were respecting your crown. 3158 03:23:37,470 --> 03:23:37,770 Okay. 3159 03:23:40,440 --> 03:23:44,100 We didn't have this shit yet. We hadn't figured that out. We were 3160 03:23:44,100 --> 03:23:46,920 working on it still. So what they're doing is what the 3161 03:23:46,920 --> 03:23:49,980 treatment always do. You open the door and he will hold it 3162 03:23:49,980 --> 03:23:52,530 while we get all these other things pushed in. 3163 03:23:54,210 --> 03:23:54,750 Exactly. 3164 03:23:55,980 --> 03:23:59,340 They're not ready, but okay, Brittany Cooper has gone to 36. 3165 03:23:59,340 --> 03:24:00,990 And let me give a little background Brittany Cooper. 3166 03:24:00,990 --> 03:24:04,230 She's a severe black man hater but continue on. And it has 3167 03:24:04,230 --> 03:24:06,990 since become a subsequent book project. And that book is called 3168 03:24:06,990 --> 03:24:10,380 Beyond respectability. The intellectual thought of race 3169 03:24:10,380 --> 03:24:13,350 woman. And my goal in that book is not to write the sort of 3170 03:24:13,350 --> 03:24:17,640 stuffy academic tome about black women as thinkers, although I do 3171 03:24:17,640 --> 03:24:20,400 want it to be taken seriously and to have these women taken 3172 03:24:20,400 --> 03:24:23,880 seriously. But it's also to say that these women were complex 3173 03:24:23,880 --> 03:24:28,890 and interesting that they both thought robustly about how to 3174 03:24:28,890 --> 03:24:33,120 help black communities get free by day, but that they were also, 3175 03:24:33,450 --> 03:24:37,200 you know, fun and interesting, folks. So there's the fact that 3176 03:24:37,200 --> 03:24:39,450 like, one of the things I discovered as I was writing 3177 03:24:39,450 --> 03:24:43,110 about Ida B wells is that she had a shopping habit, and that 3178 03:24:43,110 --> 03:24:46,620 sometimes she couldn't pay her rent because she spent too much 3179 03:24:46,620 --> 03:24:48,720 more money at The Dressmaker shop, right. 3180 03:24:49,860 --> 03:24:52,710 I found out as I was writing that Mary church Tarot was like 3181 03:24:52,740 --> 03:24:56,790 an exquisite arbiter of shade or what we would call shade in this 3182 03:24:56,790 --> 03:24:59,970 day and time, you know, so I tell a great 3183 03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:03,210 story in my book about how a bunch of white women kept on 3184 03:25:03,210 --> 03:25:06,960 mistaking Mary church to row for white woman. And they kept 3185 03:25:06,960 --> 03:25:10,110 calling asking her where they could find the American vigorous 3186 03:25:10,110 --> 03:25:12,750 that was coming to give a talk at this conference. And they 3187 03:25:12,750 --> 03:25:15,390 were talking to her and didn't realize who they were talking 3188 03:25:15,390 --> 03:25:19,350 to. And so she had a joke at their expense and played along 3189 03:25:19,350 --> 03:25:23,040 with it with the with the ruse and then, and then on the day of 3190 03:25:23,040 --> 03:25:25,470 the conference, she stands up and gives this magnificant 3191 03:25:25,530 --> 03:25:29,910 magnificent speech in French and German and shuts them all down. 3192 03:25:29,910 --> 03:25:33,150 And there's nothing there's a black girl magic to that, that 3193 03:25:33,150 --> 03:25:35,430 we sometimes miss because we think of Mary charts too. Well, 3194 03:25:35,430 --> 03:25:38,850 it's kind of a stuffy elitist black lady from the 19th 3195 03:25:38,850 --> 03:25:39,360 century. 3196 03:25:42,630 --> 03:25:45,510 So basically, they tried to paint the narrative for these 3197 03:25:45,510 --> 03:25:51,750 women as being a human, or their former human all like, Oh, she 3198 03:25:51,750 --> 03:25:53,070 she was bad for her money, too. 3199 03:25:55,980 --> 03:25:56,280 I heard that. 3200 03:25:57,540 --> 03:26:01,530 Right. So that's the that's what it is, is you might want to be 3201 03:26:01,530 --> 03:26:03,750 good with your money. I don't want you to tell me how to spend 3202 03:26:03,750 --> 03:26:04,290 my money. 3203 03:26:05,850 --> 03:26:11,490 It's like what you realize debt is slavery, just man just 3204 03:26:11,490 --> 03:26:14,730 looking at Brittany Cooper, she looks she reminds me of Stacey 3205 03:26:14,730 --> 03:26:18,630 Abrams, in a lot of a lot of ways, a lot of ways and that is 3206 03:26:18,630 --> 03:26:26,880 a that is by design. That is by design. But um, we're saying 3207 03:26:26,910 --> 03:26:30,570 that the who the money and the controlling forces behind these 3208 03:26:30,570 --> 03:26:34,890 people are these ideas where they come from. But on the flip 3209 03:26:34,890 --> 03:26:37,980 side of this, we're going to really look at the money and the 3210 03:26:37,980 --> 03:26:44,700 power behind the mat Gumtree boys, both bus boycott Neva knee 3211 03:26:45,270 --> 03:26:50,520 brought up as being somebody else. But this is the point they 3212 03:26:50,520 --> 03:26:55,020 don't deal. In fact, they deal in narrative. So before we do 3213 03:26:55,020 --> 03:26:57,990 that, let's go ahead and thanks for more producers. Yes, first, 3214 03:26:58,020 --> 03:27:01,080 let's tell us what what we really love here. We love just 3215 03:27:01,080 --> 03:27:03,420 like the preacher like brand new money. I just I don't want any 3216 03:27:03,420 --> 03:27:04,380 money around me. It's not 3217 03:27:05,970 --> 03:27:09,570 I don't want to have a new one than a brand than an old 20 3218 03:27:10,380 --> 03:27:13,110 that's kind of dumb and but there's some bad new money that 3219 03:27:13,110 --> 03:27:15,420 excites you like $100 bills. 3220 03:27:16,500 --> 03:27:21,090 money to the most beautiful thing on earth is $100 bill. I 3221 03:27:21,090 --> 03:27:24,000 haven't seen a woman is good looking at $100 bill. There's 3222 03:27:24,000 --> 03:27:25,020 something about a bill 3223 03:27:26,820 --> 03:27:30,420 and it's changing these days. We like 100 satoshis to you can 3224 03:27:30,420 --> 03:27:35,310 boost this anytime with your podcasting 2.0 app. Yes, a 3225 03:27:35,310 --> 03:27:38,730 continuation of thanking our producers for Episode 64 mo 3226 03:27:38,730 --> 03:27:41,400 facts with Adam Curry. We did our executive producers 3227 03:27:41,400 --> 03:27:43,440 associate executive producers and then 3228 03:27:45,030 --> 03:27:46,980 we start off now with 3229 03:27:48,660 --> 03:27:55,830 Who am I thinking here mo? With $46 we've got my last name is 3230 03:27:55,830 --> 03:27:59,700 pronounced sho enstein excuse me, that's the name that came 3231 03:27:59,700 --> 03:28:04,380 through with eBay. So just eBay it just feels 3232 03:28:05,670 --> 03:28:06,420 okay. 3233 03:28:08,880 --> 03:28:12,480 If we're doing I'm just saying that's I look all over looking 3234 03:28:12,510 --> 03:28:15,390 email and that's the name that came through in the name all 3235 03:28:15,390 --> 03:28:15,750 right. 3236 03:28:17,430 --> 03:28:20,610 Of course is not as Maine But for today, so you're gonna be 3237 03:28:21,780 --> 03:28:25,080 seen you got Moe and Adam, thank you for everything y'all do. I 3238 03:28:25,080 --> 03:28:28,020 was introduced to the show by my incredible other half Megan 3239 03:28:28,440 --> 03:28:31,290 Megan Emery and have been catching up on the episodes ever 3240 03:28:31,290 --> 03:28:36,210 since. Please accept this $46 in otter over 46 birthday July 2, 3241 03:28:36,240 --> 03:28:37,500 and we 3242 03:28:38,730 --> 03:28:42,210 know that we love yalls content more than anything out there. 3243 03:28:42,210 --> 03:28:44,850 Can I get a biscuit for the birthday girl and some karma for 3244 03:28:44,850 --> 03:28:48,510 myself. Thank you both and God bless Of course and thank you 3245 03:28:48,510 --> 03:28:51,330 for your support of the show. Always give me a biscuit on my 3246 03:28:51,330 --> 03:28:51,660 birthday. 3247 03:28:53,730 --> 03:28:54,450 You've got 3248 03:28:55,500 --> 03:28:55,950 mocha 3249 03:28:57,930 --> 03:29:04,170 we got $36.03 from shazier value for value for Episode 63 great 3250 03:29:04,170 --> 03:29:09,330 so far. Thank you hope you're loving 64 sam smock 36 doing the 3251 03:29:09,330 --> 03:29:12,510 business of doing the work. Sam says thank you, Sam Vince 3252 03:29:12,510 --> 03:29:16,260 Tilman. 3333 the magic numbers great podcast looking forward to 3253 03:29:16,260 --> 03:29:20,250 part number two. Here we are and we thank you for supporting the 3254 03:29:20,250 --> 03:29:24,540 booth 3333 Rona Mo, and please didn't beat me. 3255 03:29:26,160 --> 03:29:31,800 Congratulations. You're no longer a dead v i love how that 3256 03:29:31,800 --> 03:29:36,180 works. rownum Oh Rogan no agenda mo facts love the show please 3257 03:29:36,180 --> 03:29:37,440 keep doing the work. 3258 03:29:39,210 --> 03:29:44,130 modes karma is that oh yeah mode karma is maybe mo facts for the 3259 03:29:44,130 --> 03:29:48,240 goat Yeah, Mo facts. Milk calm. Yeah. And D booth is a fellow 3260 03:29:48,270 --> 03:29:51,840 aviator in Vegas. Well very good tailwinds to you. 3261 03:29:57,210 --> 03:29:57,960 You would live or 3262 03:29:59,610 --> 03:29:59,970 die. 3263 03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:05,160 Gaskill again 3333. And God says Happy Birthday Morocco. When was 3264 03:30:05,160 --> 03:30:10,320 Morocco his birthday? His birthday was June 15. Okay, he's 3265 03:30:10,320 --> 03:30:13,200 one years old now who was keeping track of that? Just 3266 03:30:13,200 --> 03:30:16,740 dodged? No, Rocco. Personally, actually, I'll put it on 3267 03:30:16,740 --> 03:30:17,100 Twitter. 3268 03:30:18,359 --> 03:30:23,849 The gram. I'm so happy as Rocco had any date yet? No, he hasn't. 3269 03:30:23,849 --> 03:30:25,259 But uh, we are 3270 03:30:26,550 --> 03:30:30,630 exploring his options now. Yeah, I love this. I love this. This 3271 03:30:30,630 --> 03:30:33,030 hustle you set up with your family. Hey, you guys want a 3272 03:30:33,030 --> 03:30:37,290 dog? It's great. You know, mostly extra income. Very nice. 3273 03:30:38,070 --> 03:30:42,420 I love your job right here. That's right. Daniel white. Also 3274 03:30:42,420 --> 03:30:45,540 the magic number 3333. Michelle waiting and patiently for the 3275 03:30:45,540 --> 03:30:48,450 next episode. Summertime and the living is easy. Thanks for all 3276 03:30:48,450 --> 03:30:52,020 you do. Mon Adam love is lit. And here we are Daniel Sorry for 3277 03:30:52,020 --> 03:30:56,670 the delay. Ray Aaron $33. Moe, thank you for the great podcast. 3278 03:30:56,670 --> 03:30:59,430 I learned something new each time I listen. I found you 3279 03:30:59,430 --> 03:31:02,730 through no agenda. Both podcasts really complement each other and 3280 03:31:02,730 --> 03:31:05,370 help listeners make sense of this crazy world we're living 3281 03:31:05,370 --> 03:31:08,820 in. That's Ray in New Mexico. Thank you Ray. It helps us to 3282 03:31:08,820 --> 03:31:13,980 believe it or not exactly the same way. Derek Burch $30.38. 3283 03:31:13,980 --> 03:31:17,970 Thank you Adam and more recently mo for doing the hard work of 3284 03:31:17,970 --> 03:31:22,020 raising the next generation. I'm 42 and I try to spend my free 3285 03:31:22,020 --> 03:31:24,270 time with my nephew and my friends kids. I feel the 3286 03:31:24,270 --> 03:31:27,690 importance of positive male energy is often absent or talked 3287 03:31:27,690 --> 03:31:30,060 about dismissively in the conversation these days. 3288 03:31:31,290 --> 03:31:33,780 I look forward to joining the ranks of strong men and 3289 03:31:33,780 --> 03:31:37,830 homeowners one day through my crypto holdings although having 3290 03:31:37,830 --> 03:31:41,070 a white podcast sidekick like Adam is my dream to 3291 03:31:42,660 --> 03:31:47,550 I'm available for all your podcast. Love the YouTube live 3292 03:31:47,550 --> 03:31:49,110 streams please D dead beat me. 3293 03:31:51,030 --> 03:31:56,940 Congratulations. You're no longer dead beat. Thanks Derek. 3294 03:31:57,390 --> 03:32:01,770 Care. Carlene dear embarrass Carolyn dieren Berg, I'm pretty 3295 03:32:01,770 --> 03:32:04,440 sure she's Dutch. I think I've seen her around on the Twitter's 3296 03:32:04,440 --> 03:32:07,470 and the DMS $30 do your mo and Adam thank you for all the time 3297 03:32:07,470 --> 03:32:10,350 and work you put into these episodes. May there be many more 3298 03:32:10,350 --> 03:32:15,240 to follow. You've given me so many insights and already made 3299 03:32:15,240 --> 03:32:20,850 me think so much love and light Carol Carlene from Amsterdam was 3300 03:32:20,850 --> 03:32:25,140 right $25 from Michael Myers, Mike Stroh here, keep up the 3301 03:32:25,140 --> 03:32:27,810 great work love the podcast. Love you, Mike. Thanks, john 3302 03:32:27,810 --> 03:32:28,770 cornforth. 3303 03:32:30,330 --> 03:32:34,110 Now, let me see he has a Lincoln here, pull up just lost my 3304 03:32:34,110 --> 03:32:34,530 place. 3305 03:32:35,640 --> 03:32:39,690 He has a link in here to a 10 minute interview, which he gave 3306 03:32:39,690 --> 03:32:42,330 in April, he was in Tampa got involved with the Trump boat. 3307 03:32:42,330 --> 03:32:47,070 Did you see this? I did not. I did not. Okay. Haven't had 3308 03:32:47,070 --> 03:32:50,790 chance to watch it yet. So he was traveling on the mainland to 3309 03:32:50,790 --> 03:32:53,760 spring in an attempt to experience normalcy after a year 3310 03:32:53,760 --> 03:32:57,120 of Hawaii flattening the curve for 15 days. Yeah, I visited 3311 03:32:57,120 --> 03:33:00,060 Alaska, Florida and Texas. I went where I wanted. When I 3312 03:33:00,060 --> 03:33:02,370 wanted like a freedom loving American. The highlight of my 3313 03:33:02,370 --> 03:33:05,310 adventure was attending my first gun show in Tampa. It was a 3314 03:33:05,310 --> 03:33:08,580 world class super spreader event with 1000s of unmasked Americans 3315 03:33:08,580 --> 03:33:11,580 from all backgrounds, colors and genders, getting along well 3316 03:33:11,580 --> 03:33:14,490 exercising their second amendment rights. This is the 3317 03:33:14,490 --> 03:33:17,730 society I grew up in and want to be a part of. I finished my trip 3318 03:33:17,730 --> 03:33:22,050 with 24 hours in Seattle, and that city can go eff itself. I 3319 03:33:22,050 --> 03:33:24,750 appreciate your tragic but enlightening take on Maxine 3320 03:33:24,750 --> 03:33:27,810 Waters district and the over sexualization of young girls in 3321 03:33:27,810 --> 03:33:31,500 Episode 63. I knew things were bad, but when you shared what 3322 03:33:31,500 --> 03:33:34,560 you shared was truly horrifying. I always appreciate your 3323 03:33:34,560 --> 03:33:37,170 perspective about what is actually going on in our 3324 03:33:37,170 --> 03:33:42,720 society. Aloha, mahalo john. Thank you $25 from Arliss did 3325 03:33:42,720 --> 03:33:47,250 Jenna mo You broke my heart and exploded my mind with the whap 3326 03:33:47,250 --> 03:33:51,030 episode I am so disgusted with Maxine Waters horrific content, 3327 03:33:51,240 --> 03:33:57,120 comment to the to M to the MDS, Megan the stallion illustrated 3328 03:33:57,120 --> 03:33:59,790 by your choice selection of clips. Thank you. I think a lot 3329 03:33:59,790 --> 03:34:03,570 of people have that had to stop and think about some of that. 3330 03:34:04,650 --> 03:34:09,030 Adrian Magnusson white $25 Thanks mo nada que of the work 3331 03:34:09,030 --> 03:34:12,120 educating all of those who continue to care and to listen. 3332 03:34:12,120 --> 03:34:16,290 Best wishes. Adrian and Sarah Magnussen want Daniel Fletcher 3333 03:34:16,290 --> 03:34:20,310 $25 overdue for past shows Happy Fourth of July man Thank you. 3334 03:34:21,720 --> 03:34:26,820 Top Notch tech consulting love those guys. Pick one all or none 3335 03:34:26,820 --> 03:34:30,600 free taxicab tech airport rise is an ad that slipped slipped in 3336 03:34:31,020 --> 03:34:37,530 today room service guru we share okay. Hit him up at at top notch 3337 03:34:37,560 --> 03:34:39,570 on Twitter keep on pushing. 3338 03:34:41,460 --> 03:34:46,200 Alright it says sometimes it works like that to $20 from mer 3339 03:34:46,230 --> 03:34:49,740 McKinnon from North Dakota. You guys are so awesome. so grateful 3340 03:34:49,740 --> 03:34:53,010 that found the show. I lost my biz with a lockdown and you had 3341 03:34:53,010 --> 03:34:55,710 no agenda. It really helped me keep my sanity this past year. 3342 03:34:56,370 --> 03:35:00,000 Thank you, Paul elevado $20 and says peace thanks 3343 03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:07,470 cue. Clinton is mo replacing JC D is Adams handler with a $20 3344 03:35:07,470 --> 03:35:07,830 note. 3345 03:35:09,599 --> 03:35:12,149 I think it's just a fine addition as far as I'm 3346 03:35:12,149 --> 03:35:16,259 concerned, you know, you got to have an easy transition. Sanja 3347 03:35:16,259 --> 03:35:20,909 Rose $20 and Sonia says I have a quandary. I went to an interview 3348 03:35:20,909 --> 03:35:23,549 today at a company that I thought was very interesting and 3349 03:35:23,549 --> 03:35:26,789 I like their business model in many respects as a concept but 3350 03:35:27,119 --> 03:35:29,429 even though they are desperate for folks with my customer 3351 03:35:29,429 --> 03:35:32,819 advocacy, sales, marketing and business development experience, 3352 03:35:32,999 --> 03:35:35,789 I will begin at an entry level position with the commute of 3353 03:35:35,789 --> 03:35:38,309 over an hour to and from and would make about a third of the 3354 03:35:38,309 --> 03:35:41,249 income I'm worth if I accepted the position. there's ample 3355 03:35:41,249 --> 03:35:43,889 opportunity for upward mobility in one to two years the kids 3356 03:35:43,889 --> 03:35:46,679 think I should give it a shot and I really miss working What 3357 03:35:46,679 --> 03:35:47,429 will you do? 3358 03:35:49,680 --> 03:35:51,090 I've thought about this. 3359 03:35:52,290 --> 03:35:53,970 I think you need to do what makes you happy. 3360 03:35:55,020 --> 03:35:58,740 That's what I was saying. That's that's if it's if it's not if 3361 03:35:58,740 --> 03:36:00,660 it's not feeling right then it's not right. 3362 03:36:01,680 --> 03:36:05,580 I think that's the best advice if you're not okay, where you're 3363 03:36:05,580 --> 03:36:07,140 never be okay with things is true. 3364 03:36:08,190 --> 03:36:13,380 Mark Kudrow ski, we received $20 from Mark I'm from white boy or 3365 03:36:13,410 --> 03:36:16,110 Bear Lake. Yeah, White Bear Lake Minnesota. 3366 03:36:17,850 --> 03:36:21,060 Expect a monthly donation because your podcast is 3367 03:36:21,060 --> 03:36:26,100 invaluable. Thank you. We'd love hearing about the value. Malcolm 3368 03:36:26,100 --> 03:36:28,440 Riley $20 ask for a D dead beating. 3369 03:36:29,940 --> 03:36:36,150 Congratulation, you you're no longer dead v. Dan 1111 from 3370 03:36:36,150 --> 03:36:39,690 anonymous from Northern Virginia anonymous. Jay. Thank you both 3371 03:36:39,690 --> 03:36:43,560 Ernest Ben Guam, Benioff, Benoit. Sending another x in 3372 03:36:43,560 --> 03:36:47,040 Malcolm's honor and looking forward to part two of whap 3373 03:36:47,040 --> 03:36:50,130 Thank you for your courage. Keep the PMA the positive mental 3374 03:36:50,130 --> 03:36:56,400 attitude sir Ernesto $10 $10. from Robert O'Donnell Great job 3375 03:36:56,400 --> 03:37:01,140 guys. doing the work. Back keep bringing the content says on a j 3376 03:37:01,170 --> 03:37:04,410 with $10 Jacob Wallace 10 appreciate the great 3377 03:37:04,410 --> 03:37:09,870 information. Shawn to Santas. 10 and a thank you. Aram Adam for 3378 03:37:09,870 --> 03:37:14,340 stayton or Aram for stegeman my Dutch always slips into your mo 3379 03:37:14,340 --> 03:37:17,280 and Adam thank you for the endless mind blowing facts. 3380 03:37:17,520 --> 03:37:21,570 Here's another EXA that we so that together we can he'll stay 3381 03:37:21,570 --> 03:37:24,840 woke PS. When will we learn about the mark of the beast? 3382 03:37:25,350 --> 03:37:25,770 Well, 3383 03:37:27,750 --> 03:37:30,570 it may be I think it's already been distributed to a lot of 3384 03:37:30,570 --> 03:37:34,290 people. PPS Maxine Waters was 33 Oh yes. 3385 03:37:36,210 --> 03:37:38,850 We were doing some racist math when we mo we were 3386 03:37:40,350 --> 03:37:45,330 being racist because Matt has more than one answer. So check 3387 03:37:45,330 --> 03:37:49,890 your priveledge please do that. Exactly. It's not wrong if you 3388 03:37:49,890 --> 03:37:53,490 show how you did it. Okay. You see how dangerous that is? I'm 3389 03:37:53,490 --> 03:37:56,160 just gonna my ears listen this in a nutshell. 3390 03:37:58,170 --> 03:38:01,440 We can have more than one answer for a math problem. That's very 3391 03:38:01,620 --> 03:38:02,760 good appear so yeah. 3392 03:38:03,930 --> 03:38:08,910 Thank you. kiram David Aquaman $9 value for value for Episode 3393 03:38:08,910 --> 03:38:13,380 63. gbg says Josiah Hendrickson, good blacks guns. 3394 03:38:14,460 --> 03:38:18,270 always loved that Vincent Ferro or forelle love in the insight 3395 03:38:18,270 --> 03:38:23,700 $5.55 a cult fan, Mo and Adam saying this donation on June 6 3396 03:38:23,700 --> 03:38:27,720 happy occult fan day. 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And then finally, Terry, 3407 03:39:01,440 --> 03:39:04,920 the human subscription killer is still waiting for the 3408 03:39:05,550 --> 03:39:08,940 subscription options will not give up. And we see you there 3409 03:39:08,940 --> 03:39:13,680 and we appreciate you for 11 to the mo faxes Adam Curry Episode 3410 03:39:13,680 --> 03:39:17,190 64 thank you all for producing this is highly appreciated. We 3411 03:39:17,190 --> 03:39:20,130 only ask for your time, your talent, your treasure, it always 3412 03:39:20,130 --> 03:39:23,460 comes in in beautiful ways. If you're doing the treasure part, 3413 03:39:23,490 --> 03:39:27,210 whatever you do, just make it meaningful to you. That will 3414 03:39:27,210 --> 03:39:30,330 make it extremely meaningful to us. So please support us for the 3415 03:39:30,330 --> 03:39:34,050 next episode. 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It's 3425 03:40:10,110 --> 03:40:14,430 something to be to be looked at and you can send us a Bitcoin in 3426 03:40:14,430 --> 03:40:15,060 real time. 3427 03:40:16,170 --> 03:40:18,570 That'll be new podcast apps calm. Thanks again, everybody 3428 03:40:18,570 --> 03:40:20,580 for sponsoring mo facts with Adam Curry. 3429 03:40:22,500 --> 03:40:26,610 Alright, so I got to give Miss Lin Neva knee, a little history 3430 03:40:26,610 --> 03:40:31,830 lesson about the Montgomery Bus Boycott. Not disrespect. But if 3431 03:40:31,830 --> 03:40:34,290 you're going to tell the facts, you got to tell him correctly. 3432 03:40:34,320 --> 03:40:38,520 And she said that a lady that she mentioned was pulling the 3433 03:40:38,520 --> 03:40:42,330 strings and out of bronze that she did the brains and the 3434 03:40:42,360 --> 03:40:47,580 bronze behind the boys bus boycotts. Not exactly. We've 3435 03:40:47,580 --> 03:40:52,470 talked about the daughters of Virginia during her husband. On 3436 03:40:52,470 --> 03:40:57,570 the episode we talked about Rosa Parks, which sets my mind. But 3437 03:40:57,600 --> 03:40:58,170 um, 3438 03:40:59,910 --> 03:41:03,150 so now we have to really dig into it. Because just, I'm using 3439 03:41:03,150 --> 03:41:06,960 this to prove a point that if you're going to go, if you're 3440 03:41:06,960 --> 03:41:10,980 going to get dig go way down the rabbit hole. So now we have to 3441 03:41:10,980 --> 03:41:16,860 look at the doors of Montgomery one. What I remember is just 3442 03:41:17,040 --> 03:41:20,400 what a mesmerizing storyteller she was. 3443 03:41:22,590 --> 03:41:25,920 We had done research on the southern conference for human 3444 03:41:25,920 --> 03:41:29,790 welfare and that anti poll tax campaign and so on. 3445 03:41:30,840 --> 03:41:36,870 That, but Virginia really wanted to talk about was a much more 3446 03:41:36,870 --> 03:41:43,860 personal story. And it was a story about how a young woman 3447 03:41:43,890 --> 03:41:49,080 growing up in the circumstances she was in, learn to think in a 3448 03:41:49,080 --> 03:41:53,550 certain way about race and class and have certain sets of 3449 03:41:53,550 --> 03:42:00,690 expectations and ideals. And then how the world began to 3450 03:42:01,020 --> 03:42:06,360 change around her. And she gradually woke up to a different 3451 03:42:06,360 --> 03:42:07,980 way of looking at the world 3452 03:42:09,540 --> 03:42:17,100 was a story about the making of a traditional Southern lady and 3453 03:42:17,130 --> 03:42:18,000 unmaking 3454 03:42:19,260 --> 03:42:23,310 and re education of a southern woman. 3455 03:42:26,040 --> 03:42:28,530 I that I go way back yonder, that and tell you who the 3456 03:42:28,530 --> 03:42:31,410 granddaddy was, we will start with reconstruction. 3457 03:42:34,560 --> 03:42:39,270 So Virginia under she was known as a great storyteller. 3458 03:42:41,100 --> 03:42:44,730 Rosa Parks worked as a senior seamstress for her her husband, 3459 03:42:45,090 --> 03:42:49,200 her husband was a lawyer at the time. And so we're going to get 3460 03:42:49,200 --> 03:42:54,540 into the past of Virginia under examine her motives for getting 3461 03:42:54,540 --> 03:42:59,280 involved in the civil rights movement, which it wasn't even a 3462 03:42:59,280 --> 03:43:02,760 civil rights movement at a time when she got involved down at 3463 03:43:02,760 --> 03:43:06,870 Montgomery. So what we have to do now is go back and look at 3464 03:43:06,900 --> 03:43:10,500 her background. Any comments before we get into next clip? 3465 03:43:10,500 --> 03:43:14,490 No, no, I'm following along. Alright, 38. 3466 03:43:17,010 --> 03:43:20,940 My great grandfather married a woman named Hannah Johnston. 3467 03:43:21,210 --> 03:43:24,150 Anyway, they still established themselves in millions brains, 3468 03:43:24,150 --> 03:43:28,200 and he was adopted. And they lived in great style. My 3469 03:43:28,200 --> 03:43:33,150 recollection is that when I first remember the plantation, 3470 03:43:33,450 --> 03:43:38,250 they owned about 35,000 acres of land, which was a lot of one has 3471 03:43:38,250 --> 03:43:41,340 remembered that in Alabama, there hadn't been a lot of big 3472 03:43:41,340 --> 03:43:44,730 plantations, most plantations were small, they were four or 3473 03:43:44,730 --> 03:43:49,140 500 acres, 600 acres, 700 acres. And unlike that, foster 3474 03:43:49,140 --> 03:43:54,990 plantations were 1000s and 1000s of acres. I mean is it just 3475 03:43:55,350 --> 03:43:59,580 absolutely boggles the mind to think the wealth and power of 3476 03:43:59,580 --> 03:44:00,480 the foster family. 3477 03:44:05,100 --> 03:44:06,390 What happened during 3478 03:44:07,770 --> 03:44:10,050 the Civil War, it was 3479 03:44:11,580 --> 03:44:14,280 just so crazy, you know, hate 3480 03:44:15,660 --> 03:44:20,550 passes into the swamps, and I loved them dearly. And I bought 3481 03:44:20,550 --> 03:44:26,340 a PC on the remaining tradition of the slave system being 3482 03:44:26,340 --> 03:44:26,970 benevolent. 3483 03:44:28,260 --> 03:44:30,840 In the late 19th, early 20th century, when Virginia was 3484 03:44:30,840 --> 03:44:33,870 growing up, there is this invention of the plantation 3485 03:44:33,870 --> 03:44:37,710 south and the myth of this wonderful era where African 3486 03:44:37,710 --> 03:44:40,920 Americans were happy being subordinate, where white women 3487 03:44:40,920 --> 03:44:43,920 were happy being subordinate, and white men were able to 3488 03:44:43,920 --> 03:44:46,530 provide everything that everybody needed, without 3489 03:44:46,530 --> 03:44:49,680 actually having to work very hard. This partition myth of 3490 03:44:49,680 --> 03:44:53,910 somehow this this ideal position in the past is 3491 03:44:54,930 --> 03:44:58,380 a fiction. I mean, it's when you say it like that. It has to be a 3492 03:44:58,380 --> 03:44:59,970 fiction. It can be anything but 3493 03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:00,660 infection. 3494 03:45:02,370 --> 03:45:05,850 This is a fascinating period. I know so little so little about 3495 03:45:05,850 --> 03:45:08,070 and I'm waiting for the real because of where they know Rosa 3496 03:45:08,070 --> 03:45:12,300 by know the Rosa Parks story. And well, what really came 3497 03:45:12,300 --> 03:45:15,030 before Rosa Parks so I'm interested how it all ties in. 3498 03:45:15,240 --> 03:45:18,600 Oh, you would never know much about this period. Because it's 3499 03:45:18,600 --> 03:45:22,770 so pivotal to American history. It's shrouded and nothing but 3500 03:45:22,770 --> 03:45:26,910 narrative. Yeah, nothing. I mean, that's black people you 3501 03:45:26,910 --> 03:45:31,050 about you were sold. That was it. But enter Eleanor Roosevelt 3502 03:45:31,050 --> 03:45:34,590 had a big role in all of this somehow. Right. And 3503 03:45:37,140 --> 03:45:42,150 her and other people as well. But just to get Virginia der 3504 03:45:42,150 --> 03:45:47,040 where she was originally from Virginia Foster, and her foster 3505 03:45:47,040 --> 03:45:51,780 family, as you heard a man say the average the average 3506 03:45:51,840 --> 03:45:57,510 plantation was about 500 1000s and 1000s 35,000. 3507 03:45:59,130 --> 03:46:03,060 Now just saying how many slaves you got to have, and work a 3508 03:46:03,060 --> 03:46:07,530 35,000 acre plantation, and she comes from the romantic 3509 03:46:07,530 --> 03:46:12,750 tradition of slavery, or she was very much a aristocratic 3510 03:46:14,280 --> 03:46:21,390 Southern woman. Um, so just for perspective, we always had that 3511 03:46:21,390 --> 03:46:26,730 clip Massa speaks with the slave masters talking about how black 3512 03:46:26,730 --> 03:46:29,580 people were like children and all of that. That was from the 3513 03:46:29,580 --> 03:46:35,970 heritage of slavery, Fannie Lou Hamer, and Lauren Bennett. So I 3514 03:46:35,970 --> 03:46:39,060 have been saving this clip the top from the time I clip that, 3515 03:46:39,330 --> 03:46:44,760 and this is Mrs. And speaks. But underneath the graciousness old 3516 03:46:44,760 --> 03:46:48,960 relationships are often found intact. descendants of slaves 3517 03:46:49,050 --> 03:46:54,090 work for descendants of slave owners, Mrs. Lana leg retains 3518 03:46:54,090 --> 03:46:58,020 the tone of a path to see cherishes. So Daisy was my 3519 03:46:58,020 --> 03:47:03,150 little play me, my me and my friend, and the daughter of 3520 03:47:03,660 --> 03:47:05,850 Katherine, who was a cook that we are doing. 3521 03:47:07,050 --> 03:47:13,170 And so, all those years, we played together, and everyone 3522 03:47:13,170 --> 03:47:17,820 was happy. We never heard of all these things we hear about 3523 03:47:17,820 --> 03:47:23,190 today. And they were nearly 100 enormous race plantation, with 3524 03:47:23,190 --> 03:47:27,360 many animals around and beautiful house and I bought 100 3525 03:47:27,360 --> 03:47:28,470 colored people there. 3526 03:47:29,490 --> 03:47:31,920 When we love them, they were friends. 3527 03:47:33,150 --> 03:47:36,750 And then it's no disgrace to see they're like children when we 3528 03:47:36,750 --> 03:47:38,040 say when we see that. 3529 03:47:39,210 --> 03:47:42,360 It's because they are like happy children. Some of them 3530 03:47:44,880 --> 03:47:48,420 like to sit in the sun, rather than work hard. 3531 03:47:51,600 --> 03:47:52,770 And they'd rather 3532 03:47:54,210 --> 03:47:58,920 work play than work. If you could, would you paint a picture 3533 03:47:58,920 --> 03:48:02,010 for us of what it was like on the plantation in your early 3534 03:48:02,010 --> 03:48:07,860 days. It was a lovely happy time living in open spaces. With many 3535 03:48:07,980 --> 03:48:14,010 lovely colored people and animals and flowers and fields. 3536 03:48:14,760 --> 03:48:18,240 My father had everything without a braid from the pigs, horses, 3537 03:48:18,240 --> 03:48:20,730 the dogs, and the people had to be thoroughbred 3538 03:48:22,230 --> 03:48:25,740 man good times. thoroughbred people 3539 03:48:28,410 --> 03:48:31,770 this is where that primitive people narrative cows from from 3540 03:48:31,770 --> 03:48:33,030 the Midlands and Harlem 3541 03:48:34,200 --> 03:48:38,130 they're happy they just want to get out in the sunshine and sing 3542 03:48:38,130 --> 03:48:42,000 and dance and we have to be with the other animals over and over. 3543 03:48:42,630 --> 03:48:45,540 Yeah, we just had we have the governor I mean yeah, but 3544 03:48:45,540 --> 03:48:48,900 doesn't do anything. They won't do anything. They'll just sit in 3545 03:48:48,900 --> 03:48:55,770 the sun. Right What would they do and and this is where okay 3546 03:48:56,820 --> 03:49:00,240 the princess in the frog? I don't know if you familiar that 3547 03:49:00,240 --> 03:49:03,510 movie or not. But that's that's the black princess but one thing 3548 03:49:03,630 --> 03:49:09,120 is a lot of problematic means is going on here with modern modern 3549 03:49:09,660 --> 03:49:14,070 movies. And one of them being in that it was big daddy. Remember 3550 03:49:14,070 --> 03:49:17,040 Big Daddy was the white man and he I don't know what the hell he 3551 03:49:17,040 --> 03:49:20,070 did but he was just big daddy had all the money and his 3552 03:49:20,070 --> 03:49:23,280 daughter and play with here you know saying and she didn't 3553 03:49:23,940 --> 03:49:25,950 really have to take life seriously cuz she had it all 3554 03:49:25,950 --> 03:49:28,620 figured out big Daddy's gonna figure it out for Big Daddy on 3555 03:49:28,620 --> 03:49:31,650 the plantation. Hello. Exactly. The 3556 03:49:32,970 --> 03:49:37,200 mouse movie. FYI, another mouse gotta go. 3557 03:49:39,030 --> 03:49:42,390 But with that said, Now we got to go back to Virginia and dirt 3558 03:49:42,390 --> 03:49:46,140 just give you some perspective of the plantation life and 3559 03:49:47,220 --> 03:49:51,600 the happy go lucky slave mentality and the romantic 3560 03:49:51,630 --> 03:49:55,200 history of slavery. So now let's go back to Virginia under this 3561 03:49:55,200 --> 03:49:59,700 plantation myth of somehow this this ideal position in the past. 3562 03:50:00,000 --> 03:50:00,600 is 3563 03:50:01,620 --> 03:50:05,070 a fiction. I mean, it's when you say it like that it has to be a 3564 03:50:05,070 --> 03:50:08,970 fiction, it can be anything but a fiction. The only part that 3565 03:50:08,970 --> 03:50:12,210 fits is if you look at this through the eyes of children. 3566 03:50:12,840 --> 03:50:17,130 And my grandmother, I remember, she died when I was about eight. 3567 03:50:17,130 --> 03:50:22,650 So I remember there was named, she had married when she was 15. 3568 03:50:23,100 --> 03:50:26,040 And she had, you know, she was like a queen bee, you know what 3569 03:50:26,040 --> 03:50:29,520 I mean? She had always been surrounded by servants or 3570 03:50:29,520 --> 03:50:33,090 slaves. And she never had anything in her life, but just 3571 03:50:33,090 --> 03:50:37,950 be charming. And she was very, like a charm. For grandmothers 3572 03:50:37,980 --> 03:50:41,520 lived in a world which had gone through the trauma of the Civil 3573 03:50:41,520 --> 03:50:44,460 War, the trauma of reconstruction, the trauma of 3574 03:50:44,460 --> 03:50:49,770 racial change of emancipation. But by the time her grandmother 3575 03:50:49,770 --> 03:50:53,160 reaches her maturity, or her grandmother lived in a world of 3576 03:50:53,190 --> 03:50:57,900 the reconstruction of the social order, so you go from slavery to 3577 03:50:57,900 --> 03:51:01,710 slavery by another name, which is sharecropping, having people 3578 03:51:01,710 --> 03:51:05,070 working there who had been descendants of slaves, probably 3579 03:51:05,160 --> 03:51:10,620 living on the plantation, very comfortable, secure, and 3580 03:51:10,620 --> 03:51:13,680 romantic world. And to her that was the ideal of Southern 3581 03:51:13,680 --> 03:51:18,270 womanhood to have the life of, of the lady of the plantation 3582 03:51:18,270 --> 03:51:22,470 really. And even when she talked about it later in life, it was 3583 03:51:22,470 --> 03:51:26,010 this great happiness. I mean, because it was early on, and of 3584 03:51:26,010 --> 03:51:28,110 course, he came to oppose everything that that world 3585 03:51:28,470 --> 03:51:29,640 represented, but 3586 03:51:30,780 --> 03:51:33,390 but it was a formative part of her life. 3587 03:51:34,830 --> 03:51:39,000 I like the queen bee reference. Yeah, well, that. That's that's 3588 03:51:39,480 --> 03:51:43,530 the point right there. If the queen bee is a meme in itself, 3589 03:51:43,800 --> 03:51:48,120 that if you see you think about it, a woman in America that has 3590 03:51:48,180 --> 03:51:51,630 all Maine has people around her her pampering her painting her 3591 03:51:51,630 --> 03:51:54,630 fingernails or toenails and doing her bidding, and she has 3592 03:51:54,630 --> 03:51:59,910 an assistant and a maid and, and a butler. And so this is, this 3593 03:51:59,910 --> 03:52:01,530 is what we aspire to. Right? 3594 03:52:03,030 --> 03:52:08,010 Exactly. Do we call queen bee? No. Ah, all of the reality show 3595 03:52:08,010 --> 03:52:10,680 the same thing. That's when you really made it when you have 3596 03:52:10,680 --> 03:52:14,100 these people just prepping and pampering you and every beck and 3597 03:52:14,100 --> 03:52:14,760 call. 3598 03:52:15,810 --> 03:52:19,800 This is actually actually it's one thing to have Pieper people 3599 03:52:19,800 --> 03:52:23,700 pampering you, and having them there for your beck and call. 3600 03:52:24,630 --> 03:52:29,520 Having a reality show is one step above that. But in a weird 3601 03:52:29,520 --> 03:52:33,090 way, most people who have the reality show really aren't like 3602 03:52:33,090 --> 03:52:36,540 that at all. They're really quite pathetic. It's a whole 3603 03:52:36,570 --> 03:52:40,140 thing, though. Yeah, of course. I understand. Yes. That's why 3604 03:52:40,230 --> 03:52:42,630 that's why it's your hits. 3605 03:52:43,770 --> 03:52:48,060 And then if you want to go to you know, get back to Game of 3606 03:52:48,060 --> 03:52:52,350 Thrones. This was the narrative around Khaleesi I think her name 3607 03:52:52,350 --> 03:52:57,930 was denarius. Targaryen the fair haired mother the dragons. This 3608 03:52:57,930 --> 03:53:00,690 white woman with her grand dragons. Yeah. 3609 03:53:02,730 --> 03:53:04,710 That was the power behind her really. 3610 03:53:07,110 --> 03:53:11,940 She birthed the grand dragon again, again, I have to say mo I 3611 03:53:11,940 --> 03:53:17,010 did not watch Game of Thrones. I had other things to do. No, but 3612 03:53:17,010 --> 03:53:19,890 I'm just saying but that's the main behind her. There was even 3613 03:53:19,890 --> 03:53:24,180 a picture of her with a she's being lifted up by all these 3614 03:53:25,500 --> 03:53:30,510 colored people, people of color. And she's This is fair hair 3615 03:53:30,510 --> 03:53:33,600 maiden. And they're lifting and passing her through the crowd 3616 03:53:33,600 --> 03:53:37,440 and she's the great emancipator. Now don't let this stuff slip 3617 03:53:37,440 --> 03:53:40,530 Pat they put this in for us she caught a lot of heat with Game 3618 03:53:41,280 --> 03:53:43,920 of Thrones caught a lot of heat for for 3619 03:53:45,360 --> 03:53:48,090 for doing it. Yeah, cuz it wasn't lost on people. The same 3620 03:53:48,090 --> 03:53:51,540 thing with the hell Okay, you make a modern movie and it's not 3621 03:53:51,540 --> 03:53:56,310 the black women falling behind white women. I mean, this this 3622 03:53:56,310 --> 03:53:59,490 is they push this mean and I said I'm not being divisive. 3623 03:53:59,490 --> 03:54:04,230 What I'm saying is this what sets the expectations for the 3624 03:54:04,230 --> 03:54:07,800 dealings between women which really if 3625 03:54:09,300 --> 03:54:15,060 they will start shaming each other or are shaming the right 3626 03:54:15,060 --> 03:54:19,230 people, the people that's against humanity then we'll be 3627 03:54:19,230 --> 03:54:22,470 better off but they put these people on a pedestal to be 3628 03:54:22,470 --> 03:54:24,360 worshipped by Gods or goddesses 3629 03:54:25,590 --> 03:54:30,480 always always a bad idea this goes way too far with it that's 3630 03:54:30,480 --> 03:54:34,920 the real issue I have with it that is is the the worship part 3631 03:54:34,920 --> 03:54:40,920 of it. And this thing trickles down into a society which you 3632 03:54:40,920 --> 03:54:43,950 have young girls having me in worship them and they call them 3633 03:54:43,950 --> 03:54:47,340 pay pigs, but that's another story for another show. Um, 3634 03:54:48,210 --> 03:54:50,760 yeah, cuz they call it a tithing. Yes, sure. 3635 03:54:52,290 --> 03:54:58,020 Crazy times. Um, so let's go back to Virginia during now 3636 03:54:58,020 --> 03:54:59,970 we're gonna see why she was 3637 03:55:00,810 --> 03:55:01,950 Problem. 3638 03:55:03,389 --> 03:55:08,369 Her opponents, and what who was the power behind her? For those 3639 03:55:08,369 --> 03:55:14,159 first few years 5152 53 they have a relatively low profile in 3640 03:55:14,189 --> 03:55:17,639 Montgomery. And then quite out of the blue, they're thrown into 3641 03:55:17,639 --> 03:55:22,589 the spotlight. Well, Virginia his efforts to to be quiet. mean 3642 03:55:22,589 --> 03:55:29,459 her cover was blown in 1954. As you know, the brown really is on 3643 03:55:29,459 --> 03:55:34,889 the horizon. And Senator James eastland sees really through you 3644 03:55:34,889 --> 03:55:38,819 though black and the southern progressives as a way to try to 3645 03:55:38,879 --> 03:55:43,619 smear a brown is some kind of communist conspiracy. So 3646 03:55:43,619 --> 03:55:46,709 Virginia gets a subpoena to go to New Orleans for hearing. 3647 03:55:48,120 --> 03:55:48,600 Now, 3648 03:55:51,330 --> 03:55:55,260 what social security cards have you held since 1952? 3649 03:55:56,400 --> 03:55:59,880 declined to answer that question on grounds previously state. In 3650 03:55:59,880 --> 03:56:05,070 1954 eastland, Senator from Mississippi opens the first set 3651 03:56:05,070 --> 03:56:09,840 of hearings in the south in New Orleans on this question of 3652 03:56:09,870 --> 03:56:13,230 communist infiltration of various aspects of American life 3653 03:56:13,230 --> 03:56:14,790 and the US government.