1 00:00:15,630 --> 00:00:20,370 FAQs with Adam curry for October 12 2020. This is episode number 2 00:00:20,370 --> 00:00:26,880 51. And sounding worse than he feels ladies and gentlemen Kofax 3 00:00:26,910 --> 00:00:30,090 on the microphone by Domo 4 00:00:31,380 --> 00:00:33,660 I'm doing pretty good Adam, how about yourself? Yeah, 5 00:00:33,659 --> 00:00:39,119 I'm doing okay now you sound a little bit a little bit weak ish 6 00:00:39,149 --> 00:00:40,319 under the weather what's going on? 7 00:00:41,430 --> 00:00:45,630 For my fantasy football fans out there? I was a questionable but 8 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:50,730 gametime decision we're going to play. So let's do this 9 00:00:51,869 --> 00:00:54,479 big sports reference. I didn't get even a fantasy sports 10 00:00:54,479 --> 00:00:57,119 reference. But yes. Okay, so we're doing good. Good to have 11 00:00:57,119 --> 00:01:03,689 you. Back with me, ma'am. And yeah, I just had a Yeah, we had 12 00:01:03,689 --> 00:01:07,199 some stuff going on Saturday. So here we are on a Monday, getting 13 00:01:07,199 --> 00:01:10,409 ready for another mo fax with Adam curry. What are the 14 00:01:10,409 --> 00:01:13,169 response has been from from our big 50 episode? 15 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:21,330 Mag got a lot of good responses. Everybody was, well, 97.3% of 16 00:01:21,330 --> 00:01:24,570 the people. Appreciate it. Other ones, I got a few people saying 17 00:01:28,530 --> 00:01:33,930 that, you know, about, you know, the normal atonement? pushback. 18 00:01:34,290 --> 00:01:38,280 That's why we always speak about wanting to change the term for 19 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,850 reparations to tell him because the triggering effect it has. 20 00:01:41,970 --> 00:01:45,150 Yeah, I saw a lot of I saw a lot of interesting feedback 21 00:01:46,470 --> 00:01:49,890 regarding the legal case that you made, which I thought was 22 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,130 fantastic to listen to. And a lot of people I saw going like, 23 00:01:53,130 --> 00:01:55,890 well, hold on a second. Now how exactly does that work? 24 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,320 And that's all I wanted to do was make the legal case for and 25 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:05,220 more than make the Case for Reparations, slash its home 26 00:02:05,220 --> 00:02:11,550 itself is the make the understanding of the political 27 00:02:11,550 --> 00:02:16,980 ramifications that this demand has. And hopefully people 28 00:02:16,980 --> 00:02:22,380 understand. This is why, quote unquote, black people need their 29 00:02:22,380 --> 00:02:28,350 own Alpha men need their own data and designation. So that's 30 00:02:28,350 --> 00:02:29,520 why that's why I took from it. 31 00:02:29,610 --> 00:02:31,680 Well, I think I think you definitely got a lot of people 32 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,310 thinking and, and that's always good. And it was it was 33 00:02:35,310 --> 00:02:38,820 interesting. Just all we want to do. Yeah. That's how we do the 34 00:02:38,820 --> 00:02:39,180 work. 35 00:02:44,190 --> 00:02:47,100 All right. Without further ado, let's find out what the topic is 36 00:02:47,100 --> 00:02:51,060 for de facto with Adam curry, episode number 51. Round around 37 00:02:51,060 --> 00:02:53,760 the wheel of topics goes where it stops, nobody knows. Well, 38 00:02:54,030 --> 00:02:57,270 Moe knows. Let's find out. Now. What is the topic for episode 39 00:02:57,270 --> 00:02:58,530 number 51? 40 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:00,510 Safe white spaces? 41 00:03:01,980 --> 00:03:08,640 Safe white spaces? Okay. I'm very curious to see where you're 42 00:03:08,640 --> 00:03:10,260 going to take us today. Mo. 43 00:03:11,070 --> 00:03:16,590 So where are we going today is that in the episode, Last 44 00:03:16,590 --> 00:03:22,410 episode, we wrapped up with the demand being integration, or 45 00:03:22,410 --> 00:03:26,040 that's what the media narrative was that we want to integration, 46 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,250 we were pushing for integration. And I kind of want to push back 47 00:03:29,250 --> 00:03:33,870 against that because one, we never got integration. What we 48 00:03:33,900 --> 00:03:38,670 ended up getting was a simulation. And two, that was 49 00:03:38,670 --> 00:03:42,750 not the demand of everybody. And this is another narrative. And 50 00:03:42,750 --> 00:03:46,530 this is what we do here. We tear down narratives. First we look 51 00:03:46,530 --> 00:03:50,190 at what's the source of the narrative, and then what was the 52 00:03:50,220 --> 00:03:57,480 actual temperature of the people at that time? So it's gonna be a 53 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:02,310 zigzag, you know, we be windy road, but we'll get there at the 54 00:04:02,310 --> 00:04:08,940 end. So I have this piece I found out from Jeff Glor, I 55 00:04:08,940 --> 00:04:13,620 think that's CBS and he had Calvin bacon Baker, excuse me, 56 00:04:13,620 --> 00:04:17,880 Calvin Baker, who's a novelist, which that's important. And he 57 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,640 they discuss his book more perfect reunion. 58 00:04:24,030 --> 00:04:26,550 This morning, we continue our promise to focus on at least one 59 00:04:26,550 --> 00:04:29,610 new book a week during the pandemic. Today more perfect 60 00:04:29,610 --> 00:04:33,600 reunion by Calvin Baker. Baker is an acclaimed novelist, but 61 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,700 for this book, he took a different approach, blending 62 00:04:35,700 --> 00:04:39,510 history, style and remarkably powerful ideas at the core of 63 00:04:39,510 --> 00:04:44,220 our nation. A more perfect reunion is Baker's clarion call 64 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:45,270 for America. 65 00:04:46,380 --> 00:04:52,170 Someone's Live me to this moment about race. I think race is 66 00:04:52,650 --> 00:04:54,060 stupid. What does that 67 00:04:54,060 --> 00:04:55,290 mean? Racist, stupid. 68 00:04:55,710 --> 00:04:59,310 We all know that race is an invention. You right? 69 00:04:59,460 --> 00:05:03,090 There's no Given a race problem in America, explain that. 70 00:05:03,990 --> 00:05:05,160 It's an integration problem. 71 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:10,320 Beginning in 1774, the founders of this nation began meeting for 72 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,620 the Continental Congress, writing what would become the 73 00:05:13,620 --> 00:05:17,550 blueprint for the United States of America. Most recognized 74 00:05:17,550 --> 00:05:21,030 slavery was at odds with democracy, about the economics 75 00:05:21,030 --> 00:05:24,510 of the South and the need for a union to defeat England led to 76 00:05:24,510 --> 00:05:28,500 what Calvin Baker says was the original, unconscionable 77 00:05:28,530 --> 00:05:29,490 compromise, 78 00:05:29,700 --> 00:05:31,770 or wonder what the founders would say if they came back and 79 00:05:31,770 --> 00:05:35,640 they saw this? Like, we wouldn't think they'd say we made a mess. 80 00:05:36,450 --> 00:05:39,240 I think they'd say, this was not what we intended. 81 00:05:39,540 --> 00:05:43,830 Baker's book, a more perfect reunion is titled so he says, 82 00:05:44,190 --> 00:05:46,800 because the first union never actually happened. 83 00:05:47,190 --> 00:05:50,460 Now, which Baker was this? I got Jeff Glor, but which Baker was 84 00:05:50,460 --> 00:05:51,630 this? This is 85 00:05:51,630 --> 00:05:52,710 Calvin Baker. 86 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:54,120 Oh, Calvin Baker. 87 00:05:54,180 --> 00:05:59,310 Yeah. And he's not a historian. He's a novelist. I can't not 88 00:05:59,310 --> 00:06:03,210 saying that. novelists can't write a history book. But no, 89 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:08,580 that's not what this is. This is another narrative driven piece. 90 00:06:08,610 --> 00:06:13,110 He's a fine. He's a fine subject from Chicago. And the Chicago 91 00:06:13,170 --> 00:06:15,030 University System, my Dad 92 00:06:18,630 --> 00:06:19,860 Oh, I 93 00:06:19,860 --> 00:06:21,600 got to being right off the bat. Okay. 94 00:06:21,630 --> 00:06:28,170 Yeah, we met we know what the Chicago is all about. But he's 95 00:06:28,170 --> 00:06:36,390 book. It's about his book is a blend of history, style and 96 00:06:36,390 --> 00:06:40,950 remarkable ideas at the core of the nation's to analyze 97 00:06:40,950 --> 00:06:44,850 America's failure at race, racial integration. So his point 98 00:06:44,850 --> 00:06:50,610 straight off is about integration. And he's big on 99 00:06:50,610 --> 00:06:55,110 narrative. And as you can hear in this next clip, he's gonna 100 00:06:55,110 --> 00:06:56,040 put it right out there 101 00:06:56,310 --> 00:07:01,350 for integration has always been the real goal of civil rights in 102 00:07:01,350 --> 00:07:05,940 America. If you read about the founding error there 103 00:07:05,940 --> 00:07:10,170 abolitionist even, who said, Well, we've got to emancipate 104 00:07:10,170 --> 00:07:14,040 the enslaved people. And the question is immediately, how do 105 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,010 you integrate them? And that's where everyone stops. 106 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,460 Baker argues the United States is trying to handle the question 107 00:07:20,460 --> 00:07:24,300 of integration in four stages. The Continental Congress, we 108 00:07:24,300 --> 00:07:28,860 mentioned they basically punted the Civil War of the 1860s, 109 00:07:28,890 --> 00:07:32,910 which led to emancipation but not equality, the Civil Rights 110 00:07:32,910 --> 00:07:37,050 Act of 1964, a government program with real drive that 111 00:07:37,050 --> 00:07:42,300 made significant of incomplete inroads. And right now, Lincoln 112 00:07:42,300 --> 00:07:46,050 before the Civil War is tacitly telling us how they can keep 113 00:07:46,050 --> 00:07:46,620 slavery, 114 00:07:46,860 --> 00:07:51,030 right? But it's an awakening, right? It's a process and we can 115 00:07:51,030 --> 00:07:51,840 change this mine. 116 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,950 If Abraham Lincoln had not been assassinated, how differently 117 00:07:55,950 --> 00:07:56,730 would have gone? 118 00:08:00,870 --> 00:08:03,600 I don't think we've ever really talked about the integration 119 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,870 concept. And it's interesting to hear this because I've never 120 00:08:06,870 --> 00:08:11,340 really, if it was emancipation. And I think that's where 121 00:08:11,340 --> 00:08:15,840 everybody dropped. It was never even thinking about integration, 122 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:16,650 where the 123 00:08:16,650 --> 00:08:20,430 integration part was always the narrative push, how do we 124 00:08:20,460 --> 00:08:24,960 integrate our assimilate these black people into America 125 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:30,840 society right now, and a couple of things here. Jeff Glor, used 126 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:36,060 the word tacitly, he said, Lincoln tacitly told us out that 127 00:08:36,060 --> 00:08:42,570 they could keep slavery if you know, to save the Union. But if 128 00:08:42,570 --> 00:08:46,740 you look at the words tacitly it means in a tacit manner, done in 129 00:08:46,740 --> 00:08:48,510 silence or implied 130 00:08:48,990 --> 00:08:53,040 without being directly. It's like Wink, wink, but 131 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:58,080 as we know, here, right, as we know, here, that's not how it 132 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:02,400 works, no. And he asked, how would it be different? So what 133 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:06,330 we want to do is we need to jump down to clip number seven, and 134 00:09:06,330 --> 00:09:08,790 then come back to number six, we would 135 00:09:08,790 --> 00:09:12,960 have gotten to where we are now, at the turn 100 years ago. 136 00:09:13,290 --> 00:09:17,610 Where are we now, compared to where we were when the Civil 137 00:09:17,610 --> 00:09:18,660 Rights Act was passed? 138 00:09:19,230 --> 00:09:24,210 I think the will and that moment to change was sharper, more 139 00:09:24,210 --> 00:09:28,260 focused. People understood what they had to do. They had some 140 00:09:28,260 --> 00:09:32,820 the will to do it. You had broad alliances of people who said 141 00:09:32,820 --> 00:09:35,910 we're going to do this and this is what it's going to look like. 142 00:09:36,030 --> 00:09:41,160 Now. We are I think we're still looking for a complete language. 143 00:09:42,900 --> 00:09:46,890 Baker's book takes big shots. If the America we think we created 144 00:09:47,070 --> 00:09:49,620 you write about New York City, which is seen as the great 145 00:09:49,620 --> 00:09:51,750 melting pot. You say it's not 146 00:09:52,620 --> 00:09:56,220 we live adjacent to one another. We're not really right. So we 147 00:09:56,220 --> 00:10:00,480 walk down the street, and like this kind of witness kind of 148 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,130 feeling this kind of person, this kind of person, 149 00:10:03,030 --> 00:10:07,590 residentially, we live, and we live in different, segregated, 150 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:08,430 segregated. 151 00:10:09,300 --> 00:10:12,150 So it's a lot to unpack there. First of all, he couldn't even 152 00:10:12,150 --> 00:10:17,310 say the word or segregate. Notice that boy had to like he 153 00:10:17,310 --> 00:10:20,850 had to lead him on. And then he talks about this broad alliance 154 00:10:20,850 --> 00:10:28,620 of people deciding what broad Alliance. And finally, he said, 155 00:10:28,620 --> 00:10:32,250 we would have got what we have now 100 years earlier. No, 156 00:10:32,550 --> 00:10:36,330 that's all narrative BS, especially from what we explored 157 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:41,850 about an honest ape. Even it'll the last show. But I want to 158 00:10:41,850 --> 00:10:44,550 show before we go into it, because I have that throwback 159 00:10:44,550 --> 00:10:48,000 clip just to refresh people's minds of Honest Abe and what he 160 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,420 really thought when he really thought about slavery. I want to 161 00:10:51,870 --> 00:10:56,460 jump to the end of this segment, and show you how dangerous and 162 00:10:56,460 --> 00:11:00,480 for lack of better word infectious narrative is. 163 00:11:01,530 --> 00:11:04,320 This book that Michelle not just deals with the big issue, the 164 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:08,310 biggest issues, but it's also beautifully written. Calvin just 165 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:14,340 he has a way with words, so highly recommended. And 166 00:11:14,340 --> 00:11:14,790 listening 167 00:11:14,790 --> 00:11:19,080 to him, it's somewhat angers me a great deal to think that 100 168 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:23,490 years ago, we could be could have taken care of this stuff. 169 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:29,100 Like yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's a lot to think about. Hopefully, 170 00:11:29,100 --> 00:11:31,500 we will do the business of this work. 171 00:11:31,830 --> 00:11:36,750 Oh, let's do the business of this work. That's a whole new 172 00:11:36,750 --> 00:11:39,960 twist. How you doing the work. I'm doing the business of the 173 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:40,950 work, my friend doing 174 00:11:40,950 --> 00:11:41,910 the business to help. 175 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,750 Boom shakalaka I like that. You see 176 00:11:45,750 --> 00:11:50,340 how she took his narrative and just ran with as fat all we will 177 00:11:50,340 --> 00:11:55,950 be where we're at right now. 100 years ago, I feel so sad. Well, 178 00:11:55,950 --> 00:12:00,030 we need to go back and listen to Mr. Jerome, Jerome Bennett, Jr. 179 00:12:00,180 --> 00:12:02,520 and what Abraham Lincoln really thought 180 00:12:02,940 --> 00:12:06,450 title on the book is Abraham Lincoln's white dream. What's 181 00:12:06,450 --> 00:12:06,990 that mean? 182 00:12:07,620 --> 00:12:15,030 It means that contrary to what most people think, Abraham 183 00:12:15,030 --> 00:12:23,340 Lincoln's deepest desire was to deport all black people, and 184 00:12:23,340 --> 00:12:25,890 create an all white nation. 185 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:31,980 It sounds like a wild idea now, and it is a wild idea. But from 186 00:12:31,980 --> 00:12:38,730 about 1800 52 until his death, he worked feverishly to try to 187 00:12:39,330 --> 00:12:44,370 create deportation plans colonization plans, to send 188 00:12:44,370 --> 00:12:48,390 black people either to Africa, or to South Africa, South 189 00:12:48,390 --> 00:12:52,800 America, or to the islands of the sea. On December the first 190 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:58,080 1862, in which he asked Congress to pass three constitutional 191 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:03,840 amendments, one to buy the slaves second, to declare free 192 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,170 all people who'd actually escaped. But the third one, his 193 00:13:07,170 --> 00:13:12,930 proposed 15th amendment, asked Congress to allocate money to 194 00:13:12,930 --> 00:13:16,590 deport black people to another place. Ship him up. 195 00:13:17,730 --> 00:13:21,600 So does that sound like tacitly to, you know, 196 00:13:23,190 --> 00:13:28,170 wink, wink, nudge nudge? Yeah, no, it doesn't know. But that's 197 00:13:28,170 --> 00:13:33,870 what that is. So that is so that fact is just really not taught 198 00:13:33,870 --> 00:13:36,570 not known. You could you could read it. It's not like any 199 00:13:36,570 --> 00:13:39,210 secret. It's just as never really discussed. 200 00:13:39,749 --> 00:13:43,919 But even as Jerome Bennett said, it's a wild idea, just to even 201 00:13:43,919 --> 00:13:48,989 think the things that he found in the history books to be true, 202 00:13:49,109 --> 00:13:52,619 even though they're facts. But when you're competing with 203 00:13:52,619 --> 00:13:57,689 narrative, yeah, as Mr. Calvin Baker comes in a novelist, let 204 00:13:57,689 --> 00:14:01,139 me remind people, and as you're gonna say, oh, it's beautifully 205 00:14:01,139 --> 00:14:06,089 written so they can take a lie. And beautifully write it and 206 00:14:06,089 --> 00:14:10,229 package it by a novelist or other people like Calvin Baker, 207 00:14:10,649 --> 00:14:13,799 and then it just sounds so good. Oh, yeah, we could have been 208 00:14:13,889 --> 00:14:17,069 we're 100 years behind the record. You know, what heartbeat 209 00:14:17,069 --> 00:14:19,529 year in progress, 210 00:14:19,530 --> 00:14:22,410 and how does that move everything forward? By pointing 211 00:14:22,410 --> 00:14:25,230 that out and then saying, oh, boy, it sucks, just just doesn't 212 00:14:25,230 --> 00:14:26,850 seem very productive to me. 213 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,890 Well, what it does is it explains away while we haven't 214 00:14:31,890 --> 00:14:36,930 made the progress, and the only people that are that need to 215 00:14:36,930 --> 00:14:40,230 have short record of progress are the people that we give our 216 00:14:40,260 --> 00:14:45,600 vote away to. I mean, let's just be honest. Yeah. Gotcha. So to 217 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:50,280 have this plane away, you know, it was Lincoln and he you know, 218 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:54,840 he would eat now he was he would eat he went with his I think 219 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,680 they use the word he was gross. You know, he grew you know, he 220 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,410 was racist when he first arted out, but by the time it was 221 00:15:01,410 --> 00:15:04,980 over, you know, he blossomed to this social justice warrior 222 00:15:05,190 --> 00:15:11,130 president, which is not the case. And but this is why, what 223 00:15:11,130 --> 00:15:17,010 we do here, we're doing the business of the work. We point 224 00:15:17,010 --> 00:15:21,750 out these fallacies, and he's fantasies and fantasy is going 225 00:15:21,750 --> 00:15:25,440 to be a huge part of this show, I just want to let people know 226 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:31,860 up front. This image that we have in this on our head of this 227 00:15:31,860 --> 00:15:36,120 perfect nation on this perfect society, it really hinders 228 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:41,370 people. But before I continue on, I want to let Mr. Calvin 229 00:15:41,370 --> 00:15:45,690 Baker finish up with why America failed to integrate it for 230 00:15:45,930 --> 00:15:49,350 to bring about full integration, Baker envisions programs on the 231 00:15:49,350 --> 00:15:53,010 scale of the New Deal, the GI Bill, and the Federal Housing 232 00:15:53,010 --> 00:15:57,030 Administration. But in this book, he does not offer specific 233 00:15:57,030 --> 00:16:00,570 policy prescriptions. He says, deliberately, 234 00:16:00,630 --> 00:16:04,320 once you get to prescription here's what happens in books 235 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,950 that talk about the topic of race and society. We 236 00:16:07,950 --> 00:16:11,310 compartmentalize them. And we start getting now we're going to 237 00:16:11,310 --> 00:16:16,860 talk about education. Now we're going to talk about the media. 238 00:16:16,860 --> 00:16:19,620 Now we're going to talk about criminal justice, I wanted to 239 00:16:19,620 --> 00:16:23,940 write a book that looked across these spaces. For question, can 240 00:16:23,940 --> 00:16:26,490 we live together? Or not? Do we want to live together or not? I 241 00:16:26,490 --> 00:16:26,700 think 242 00:16:26,699 --> 00:16:29,669 people can have different ideas on how to get to that. 243 00:16:30,750 --> 00:16:35,070 Start with start with what worked? Start with what brought 244 00:16:35,100 --> 00:16:38,550 us to this point, right? I mean, we are better off than we were, 245 00:16:38,580 --> 00:16:42,600 I mean, as a nation, right? We have come further than we'd come 246 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:46,110 before. But now you've got to go the rest of the way. 247 00:16:46,650 --> 00:16:49,170 How long do you believe that takes? When I started the 248 00:16:49,170 --> 00:16:53,550 book, I thought, three, four generations? I think if we're 249 00:16:53,550 --> 00:16:57,390 serious about the conversation we're having right now to 250 00:16:58,230 --> 00:17:01,620 two generations, it's possible. So that's our grandkids 251 00:17:03,270 --> 00:17:04,650 isn't a wonderful thing to leave them 252 00:17:08,460 --> 00:17:14,760 well, that's kind of dark. It'll take two generations if if with 253 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:19,140 his with the with the Calvin Baker method or or I don't 254 00:17:19,140 --> 00:17:19,650 understand 255 00:17:19,830 --> 00:17:24,540 why you don't have a method and method he didn't know he didn't 256 00:17:24,540 --> 00:17:27,690 have any solutions. But he said what we shouldn't do is do 257 00:17:27,690 --> 00:17:33,720 things like the New Deal, the GI Bill and FHA. I pray to God we 258 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:38,430 don't because I did a little digging on those. Cato 259 00:17:38,430 --> 00:17:41,640 Institute. I think that's a pretty reputable just I mean, 260 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,330 there has to be out front and I think they're right tilting 261 00:17:46,230 --> 00:17:52,590 Institute but they are still credible. And title, why the 262 00:17:52,590 --> 00:17:57,840 FDR? New Deal. Harm blacks. It says good intentions are 263 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,560 overrated. Franklin. Delano Roosevelt's New Deal, for 264 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:06,210 instance, has been hailed for his lofty goals of reforming the 265 00:18:06,210 --> 00:18:10,080 American economy, and helping the underprivileged. Yet 266 00:18:10,110 --> 00:18:15,210 mounting evidence evidence here narrative developed by dozens of 267 00:18:15,210 --> 00:18:18,180 economists across the country show the New Deal prolong 268 00:18:18,180 --> 00:18:21,270 joblessness for millions and black people were especially 269 00:18:21,270 --> 00:18:24,720 hard hit. It's I don't want none of that. Right? This is his 270 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:25,260 illusion. 271 00:18:25,289 --> 00:18:29,159 And if if I can just interject and say that point of view when 272 00:18:29,159 --> 00:18:34,739 it comes to monetary policy, you know, like what FDR was 273 00:18:34,739 --> 00:18:38,999 considering, all the way up to what the Federal Reserve or the 274 00:18:38,999 --> 00:18:44,339 Treasury anytime it comes to policy. And that can also be 275 00:18:45,209 --> 00:18:51,569 policy of going into Syria or Iraq. No one ever knows what's 276 00:18:51,569 --> 00:18:56,699 really going to happen. But with, with policy, like, social 277 00:18:56,699 --> 00:19:01,919 services, it's, it's, I just want to say it's not necessarily 278 00:19:01,919 --> 00:19:06,449 malfeasance or mal intended. It's just no one ever knows how 279 00:19:06,449 --> 00:19:09,779 it's gonna work out. The problem is people typically don't learn 280 00:19:09,779 --> 00:19:11,339 from those mistakes. 281 00:19:12,150 --> 00:19:16,500 Now, but when you have somebody like this guy, Calvin come out 282 00:19:16,500 --> 00:19:19,770 and say, oh, we need to do like the New Deal. And the GI Bill. 283 00:19:19,770 --> 00:19:20,250 Yeah, he 284 00:19:20,250 --> 00:19:22,830 has no idea what he's talking about. He said, he doesn't know 285 00:19:22,830 --> 00:19:23,610 if that's gonna worry. 286 00:19:23,609 --> 00:19:28,109 gurjit tating narrative. Yes, my point is, and this is the heart 287 00:19:28,109 --> 00:19:30,899 and you heard that lady at the end, do the same thing that she 288 00:19:30,899 --> 00:19:34,949 just heard, oh, will be 100 years better, says who? Yeah, 289 00:19:34,979 --> 00:19:38,219 that's what you're saying what data points to that we will be 290 00:19:38,279 --> 00:19:42,239 where we're at 100 years earlier. If you know if things 291 00:19:42,239 --> 00:19:44,969 would have played out differently, we don't know. But 292 00:19:44,969 --> 00:19:47,549 they go and spat out and this I'll just read the title of this 293 00:19:47,549 --> 00:19:51,659 one, how the GI Bill promised was denied to millions of black 294 00:19:51,659 --> 00:19:54,749 War War Two veterans, and that's really what helped create the 295 00:19:54,749 --> 00:19:58,649 suburbs, but we'll get down to that later. And then, just to 296 00:19:58,649 --> 00:20:04,319 wrap up I have clips here for Mr. Richard Rothstein. Have you 297 00:20:04,319 --> 00:20:05,069 ever heard of him? 298 00:20:05,129 --> 00:20:08,669 No, I don't think so maybe no. Okay. Okay. 299 00:20:08,850 --> 00:20:11,760 Well, he's assuming a senior fellow Richard Rothstein, who 300 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,470 authored the book the color law, 301 00:20:13,470 --> 00:20:16,800 I forgot. Oh, yeah, no, I have this. Of course I do. I read 302 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,060 this book. Yes, of course. 303 00:20:19,589 --> 00:20:28,049 Yeah. So he, in this next clip, Kal kLW. One, he explains how 304 00:20:28,049 --> 00:20:29,669 the FHA was problematic. 305 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:34,440 Public housing in this country began in the mid 20th century, 306 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,010 in the New Deal during the Roosevelt administration. It was 307 00:20:38,010 --> 00:20:40,590 the first civilian public housing ever built. And it began 308 00:20:40,590 --> 00:20:43,530 as a project for working class families, not for poor people, 309 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,890 for people who had jobs, but in the pret Depression had no 310 00:20:46,890 --> 00:20:51,090 housing. And it was mostly for whites and the federal 311 00:20:51,090 --> 00:20:54,330 government have built the Public Works Administration, one of the 312 00:20:54,330 --> 00:20:57,660 first New Deal agencies built the first civilian public 313 00:20:57,660 --> 00:21:00,120 housing in this country. And everywhere in the country, it 314 00:21:00,120 --> 00:21:04,620 created segregated projects, even where communities were 315 00:21:04,620 --> 00:21:07,350 previously integrated. There were many integrated 316 00:21:07,350 --> 00:21:11,010 neighborhoods in the mid 20th century, early 20th century, we 317 00:21:11,010 --> 00:21:14,310 would be stunned if we were transported back to that period, 318 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,370 and saw how much integration residential integration there 319 00:21:17,370 --> 00:21:21,840 was, for the simple reason that the working class people didn't 320 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,180 have automobiles to get to work. So they want to live close 321 00:21:24,180 --> 00:21:26,760 enough to the factories where they worked, or the other 322 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:31,380 workplaces. And so if you had a factory that was, had Irish 323 00:21:31,380 --> 00:21:33,990 immigrant workers and Italian immigrant workers and Jewish 324 00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:36,270 immigrant workers and African Americans, they want to live in 325 00:21:36,270 --> 00:21:39,420 roughly the same neighborhoods near the factories. That 326 00:21:39,420 --> 00:21:42,840 neighborhood where he grew up an integrated neighborhood was a 327 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,360 neighborhood where the Public Works Administration demolished 328 00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:48,900 housing and build two separate projects, one for whites and one 329 00:21:48,900 --> 00:21:52,050 for African Americans are creating segregation that 330 00:21:52,050 --> 00:21:57,000 previously hadn't existed and might not have existed in the if 331 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:57,900 that hadn't been done. 332 00:21:58,289 --> 00:22:02,219 Row wasn't intended these. 333 00:22:03,029 --> 00:22:07,499 This is facts compared to you know, narrative. This guy 334 00:22:07,529 --> 00:22:12,179 actually says the government sanction and aided and abetted 335 00:22:12,179 --> 00:22:17,219 and took action to segregate previously integrated 336 00:22:17,219 --> 00:22:20,609 communities. Now, do you get the feeling he wanted to live with? 337 00:22:20,670 --> 00:22:24,210 Do you get the feeling he's saying that that was intentional 338 00:22:24,210 --> 00:22:26,520 or was just unintended consequences? 339 00:22:27,689 --> 00:22:30,959 As you hear this next set of clips, I think it comes pretty 340 00:22:30,959 --> 00:22:34,859 clear that it was intentional. To counter what Calvin said 341 00:22:34,859 --> 00:22:37,979 about we will be where we're at 100 years ago of nothing, you 342 00:22:37,979 --> 00:22:41,579 know, we did things differently. Maybe if the government wouldn't 343 00:22:41,579 --> 00:22:45,569 have gotten involved, we will be where are we at now? A lot 344 00:22:45,569 --> 00:22:46,139 sooner? 345 00:22:46,650 --> 00:22:49,890 Sure. Well, but that was also at this point. You know, that's 346 00:22:49,890 --> 00:22:53,370 just narrative. We don't really know. But maybe as we unfold the 347 00:22:53,370 --> 00:22:55,770 facts, we'll find out. Right? I 348 00:22:55,770 --> 00:22:59,130 mean, will will you go in and create segregated projects? I 349 00:22:59,130 --> 00:23:02,130 mean, you can't you that was counterproductive. That's what 350 00:23:02,130 --> 00:23:05,340 I'm saying. I'm just taking sheer facts. But yeah, it is a 351 00:23:05,340 --> 00:23:09,600 little bit of reached here. spacejam reach part two. 352 00:23:09,959 --> 00:23:13,409 And this pattern was created everywhere in the country of 353 00:23:13,499 --> 00:23:16,139 Cambridge, Massachusetts, we think of it as being a liberal 354 00:23:16,139 --> 00:23:19,829 area. The area near MIT was also an integrated community about 355 00:23:19,829 --> 00:23:22,799 half black half white, the Public Works Administration 356 00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:26,129 demolished housing, in that integrated neighborhood to build 357 00:23:26,129 --> 00:23:29,039 two separate projects, one for African Americans and one for 358 00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:34,469 whites. Well, this continued for the next 20 years. And by the 359 00:23:34,469 --> 00:23:39,929 early 1950s, we saw development everywhere in the country, that 360 00:23:41,489 --> 00:23:44,549 there were large numbers of vacancies in the white projects, 361 00:23:44,759 --> 00:23:47,789 and long waiting lists in the black projects. Eventually, the 362 00:23:47,789 --> 00:23:51,509 situation became so conspicuous that all the projects were 363 00:23:51,509 --> 00:23:54,869 opened up to African Americans, and about the same time, 364 00:23:55,319 --> 00:23:59,729 industry left the cities. And there were fewer and fewer jobs 365 00:23:59,759 --> 00:24:02,729 for the people who are living in these public housing projects. 366 00:24:02,729 --> 00:24:06,329 They became poor and poor. And then for the first time in the 367 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,979 in this about 1950, public housing began to be a subsidized 368 00:24:10,979 --> 00:24:14,519 program for people who couldn't afford private housing and 369 00:24:14,579 --> 00:24:18,749 almost all black at the time, and without jobs and without 370 00:24:18,749 --> 00:24:22,349 hope without opportunities being concentrated in these downtown 371 00:24:22,349 --> 00:24:27,359 areas. Meanwhile, the federal government was subsidizing the 372 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,289 movement of white families only to single family homes in the 373 00:24:31,289 --> 00:24:32,159 suburbs, 374 00:24:32,159 --> 00:24:36,149 right. Oh, man, the history is coming back now. Okay. 375 00:24:37,410 --> 00:24:42,780 That's what a raw deal unless route let's bully you know, 376 00:24:42,780 --> 00:24:47,100 flesh out this idea how the all black people get to the cities 377 00:24:47,100 --> 00:24:51,690 in the first place. They came there to look into jobs during 378 00:24:51,690 --> 00:24:55,170 the Great Migration, right? And then you take the jobs, move 379 00:24:55,170 --> 00:24:58,530 them out to the suburbs, where you move all the white people to 380 00:24:59,010 --> 00:25:02,100 there's no jobs and to see in the inner city, or where you 381 00:25:02,100 --> 00:25:05,820 always ask whether this term urban come from this is it. This 382 00:25:05,820 --> 00:25:07,020 is the birther, urban, 383 00:25:07,049 --> 00:25:08,309 Urban Suburban. 384 00:25:12,389 --> 00:25:16,649 I'm learning how you take the jobs and the nice houses and you 385 00:25:16,649 --> 00:25:21,269 move them out. And then you leave. You say, Okay, black 386 00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:23,909 people can have the projects, but then black people you want 387 00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:25,559 the projects? No, no father's 388 00:25:26,099 --> 00:25:29,639 right. Yeah. Then there's that part. Yeah. Wow. 389 00:25:29,820 --> 00:25:34,890 So So, as you said, black black men or black people are most 390 00:25:34,890 --> 00:25:35,940 conspiratorial? 391 00:25:36,689 --> 00:25:41,969 Well, there's not really me. There's I just, I just thought 392 00:25:41,969 --> 00:25:42,719 it was your What? 393 00:25:43,410 --> 00:25:46,680 No, right. But what I'm saying we You see, all these things 394 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,690 fall in one domino after another, 395 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,030 you start to get really suspicious about stuff. 396 00:25:51,030 --> 00:25:51,870 Absolutely. 397 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,650 Right. Was this bot design? Maybe? Or was it just 398 00:25:55,650 --> 00:26:00,060 happenstance? And as you continue on, it's like, hold on. 399 00:26:01,350 --> 00:26:04,590 We can't be that many coincidences. Let's just be 400 00:26:04,590 --> 00:26:06,720 honest. I mean, that's the feeling. That's the sentiment, 401 00:26:07,140 --> 00:26:11,700 be that many questions, did you treat yourself our natural 402 00:26:11,700 --> 00:26:16,980 habitat of agriculture, and you know, rural based, you bring us 403 00:26:16,980 --> 00:26:20,730 to the city, he snaps the jobs often under us, you move them 404 00:26:20,730 --> 00:26:26,070 out, you limit our access to, you know, funding to buy single 405 00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:29,700 family homes and homes in the suburbs, why you're catering to 406 00:26:29,700 --> 00:26:35,700 other people. And they knew you had the projects, but no man in 407 00:26:35,700 --> 00:26:38,430 it. I'm just saying, I mean, like when you stack all those on 408 00:26:38,430 --> 00:26:43,650 top of each other, is very fishy. But I mean, but we have 409 00:26:43,650 --> 00:26:48,000 to what I'm doing, explaining how it became segregated in the 410 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,030 first pleasure. Because if you let people live where they want 411 00:26:51,030 --> 00:26:54,390 to live, people are naturally gravitate to, you know, what's 412 00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:57,660 closest to your job where people align with them, you know, and 413 00:26:57,660 --> 00:27:02,490 as, as Richard Rothstein said, it we're an integrated 414 00:27:02,490 --> 00:27:07,320 communities without any stimulus to be the beast. Oh, 415 00:27:07,650 --> 00:27:11,880 well, so and I'm sure we'll get to it. What and what comes to 416 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,660 mind is okay, let's just presume people are good. But this was 417 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,570 not in my backyard type of thing. It's like, oh, you know, 418 00:27:18,570 --> 00:27:25,710 and obviously, kind of the literal meaning of racist 419 00:27:25,710 --> 00:27:28,590 wishes, well, they're just less than us, but we're gonna hook 420 00:27:28,590 --> 00:27:30,630 them up, we're gonna do good, but we'll just let them do it 421 00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:33,660 over there. It's literally racist. But at the time, 422 00:27:33,660 --> 00:27:37,380 probably just how they thought, and I'm not trying to say it's 423 00:27:37,380 --> 00:27:37,950 correct. 424 00:27:38,789 --> 00:27:41,999 I would tell you, goggles, but we're so close. 425 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,509 We're gonna get there. Okay, so sorry. All right, let's, let's 426 00:27:45,509 --> 00:27:46,709 get into Part Three, 427 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:52,350 and the FHA in order to grant the guarantees the four bank 428 00:27:52,350 --> 00:27:55,410 loans for these developers to build giant developments, they 429 00:27:55,410 --> 00:27:58,650 never could have assembled the capital to build a development 430 00:27:58,650 --> 00:28:02,790 with 10s of 1000s of homes in one place. On their own, the 431 00:28:02,790 --> 00:28:06,030 Federal Housing Administration gave him guaranteed bank loans 432 00:28:06,030 --> 00:28:10,620 on condition that they sell no homes to African Americans, and 433 00:28:10,620 --> 00:28:14,850 indeed required that the deed if every home and these 434 00:28:14,850 --> 00:28:18,600 developments include a clause prohibiting resale or rental to 435 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,320 African Americans. So there were many, many other policies that 436 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,570 the federal government followed and state and local governments 437 00:28:24,570 --> 00:28:29,490 followed but these to the Federal Housing Administration 438 00:28:29,490 --> 00:28:34,830 creations, the suburbs on a white only basis, and the Public 439 00:28:34,830 --> 00:28:38,310 Works Administration and success, succeeding housing 440 00:28:38,340 --> 00:28:42,330 agencies, concentrating African Americans in central cities 441 00:28:42,330 --> 00:28:45,360 where they became poor and poor, created the Metropolitan 442 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,410 landscape that we see today. You talk about the image that we 443 00:28:49,410 --> 00:28:54,360 have of African Americans, well, white families, whites generally 444 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,360 look at the way we've concentrated African Americans, 445 00:28:57,390 --> 00:28:59,970 although they don't understand that it was We Who concentrated 446 00:28:59,970 --> 00:29:03,300 them, we the government of the country, they look at African 447 00:29:03,300 --> 00:29:07,380 Americans living in poverty, without opportunity, and they 448 00:29:07,380 --> 00:29:09,300 assume that this is characteristic of African 449 00:29:09,300 --> 00:29:12,090 Americans, rather than understanding that this was the 450 00:29:12,090 --> 00:29:16,260 product of an explicit government policy. Right on 451 00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:18,359 your question, right? 452 00:29:18,390 --> 00:29:20,520 Sure. Does. Yeah, it does, does. 453 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:26,640 So you, you freeze these people out of suburbs, saying no, you 454 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,970 can't sell the government now. You can't sell them houses, 455 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,960 right? You know, the D dollar has to stay white. And then you 456 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,660 have no jobs in these communities. And then you 457 00:29:36,660 --> 00:29:41,850 overpopulate the projects, and then don't offer the services 458 00:29:41,850 --> 00:29:45,780 like trash and those kinds of things. It creates this image I 459 00:29:45,780 --> 00:29:48,540 mean, to be honest with you that's that's the imagery we 460 00:29:48,540 --> 00:29:51,060 have a third world countries right? Yeah, just can't get 461 00:29:51,300 --> 00:29:51,720 together. 462 00:29:51,810 --> 00:29:54,600 I mean, that's, that's that's unfortunately now happening in 463 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,050 every city across America with people, you know, camping 464 00:29:58,050 --> 00:30:03,060 everywhere, same image, but What To what end? So this, let's say 465 00:30:03,060 --> 00:30:09,000 this is a racist policy, it's clearly a horrible setup. To 466 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,520 what end? What What was the benefit to the people doing 467 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,370 this? What were they thinking like, we'll just, they're here 468 00:30:14,370 --> 00:30:17,790 anyway, we can't, we can't literally throw them overboard. 469 00:30:17,790 --> 00:30:21,300 So we'll just we'll just squish him here is that what that was, 470 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,880 is creating the bottom, you have to have a bottom and society 471 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,760 just like you have to have a bottom in the world, right? We 472 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:34,170 take all of our jobs that we don't want to be done here, a 473 00:30:34,290 --> 00:30:39,000 are not taught here to the land like agriculture, but the making 474 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,050 of these dollar store toys and these trinkets and cans over 475 00:30:43,050 --> 00:30:43,590 there. But 476 00:30:43,589 --> 00:30:47,489 this is a bottom with no job so that it's not, it's not even a 477 00:30:47,489 --> 00:30:48,569 productive bottom. 478 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,620 Which made it easier for people that look like let's see, we got 479 00:30:55,620 --> 00:30:59,520 to go back to the killer was when you're saying, Okay, we 480 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:05,130 need to create people that. And this is an analogy I'll draw is 481 00:31:05,130 --> 00:31:10,680 like, if you're I'm a Cowboys fan, right? Um, when I tell if I 482 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:15,210 was a true fan fanatic, I will talk in terms we and us and did 483 00:31:15,210 --> 00:31:18,660 you see how we play yesterday? And you know, we did pretty 484 00:31:18,660 --> 00:31:25,170 good. We sure that's how these newly inducted whites were. It's 485 00:31:25,170 --> 00:31:29,610 like, yeah, letting them come in. Be fans of the Wasp, you 486 00:31:29,610 --> 00:31:33,210 know, and portray themselves as white. And they you know, 487 00:31:33,210 --> 00:31:35,040 they'll feel like they're part of the team, but they're really 488 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,560 not, you know, they're really not part of the team wink wink, 489 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,160 nod nod. And what it does is build this buffer class, or the 490 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,560 mud steel, and we're going to get there on another episode, 491 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,760 but it builds this buffer class between the actual bottom and 492 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:48,300 the top. 493 00:31:49,079 --> 00:31:52,859 Okay, yep. Now, we have been saying that, yes, I agree. 494 00:31:54,930 --> 00:31:56,820 So, what I'm saying is, 495 00:31:57,420 --> 00:32:00,270 it's, it's everybody moving on up, stepping on the person 496 00:32:00,270 --> 00:32:02,730 underneath. And if you don't have someone to step on them 497 00:32:02,730 --> 00:32:03,390 find one. 498 00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:08,160 Right, and the easiest way to keep the bottom clearly defined 499 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,700 if you do offer skin color, and so called Race. 500 00:32:11,819 --> 00:32:14,459 Yeah, that does make it kind of easy, doesn't it? 501 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,470 Right. So this is the killer Wasp at work. And it's like, oh, 502 00:32:19,470 --> 00:32:22,830 yeah, the Irish are we hated them, but come on in that Talion 503 00:32:22,860 --> 00:32:25,680 we hated them. But come on in and now it's with the Hispanics, 504 00:32:25,890 --> 00:32:28,710 Hispanics, we hated them. But now come on, in long as you can 505 00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:34,410 portray the wipes the white, the Wasp dashing definition of 506 00:32:34,410 --> 00:32:38,370 whiteness, their ideals, you know, their principles, and all 507 00:32:38,370 --> 00:32:41,010 those things. And those you agree that the bottom has to 508 00:32:41,010 --> 00:32:44,250 stay the bottom, you can't help the bottom. I mean, that that 509 00:32:44,250 --> 00:32:47,820 will get your car revoked. I know it sounds very sinister. 510 00:32:48,090 --> 00:32:51,930 But and it's not even this subject, the key subject of this 511 00:32:52,230 --> 00:32:57,420 episode, but we got to understand how segregation 512 00:32:57,420 --> 00:33:03,570 happen, especially in major cities. And what was the 513 00:33:03,570 --> 00:33:06,870 solution for it stop think we stopped at three, we can go into 514 00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:07,620 four. Now. 515 00:33:07,860 --> 00:33:12,240 There were many, many African Americans in the early 1950s, 516 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,420 late 1940s, who could have afforded to buy those homes, the 517 00:33:15,420 --> 00:33:17,670 single family homes that the governments were creating in 518 00:33:17,670 --> 00:33:23,220 places like Westlake and San Lorenzo or others in this area 519 00:33:23,220 --> 00:33:25,440 and throughout the country. Levittown is probably the best 520 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,550 example of eastern New York City and well known, many African 521 00:33:29,550 --> 00:33:31,860 Americans could have afford to buy those homes. They were very 522 00:33:31,860 --> 00:33:37,200 inexpensive. They were cost about 789 $1,000 at the time, 523 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,640 that's about $100,000. In today's money about twice 524 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,910 national median income, working class families of either race 525 00:33:44,910 --> 00:33:48,000 because of afford to buy those homes. African Americans were 526 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,050 prohibited from doing so required to continue living in 527 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,560 urban areas renting apartments, either in the public housing or 528 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,790 in private market. And whites were subsidized the subsidy to 529 00:33:59,790 --> 00:34:03,120 whites was so great that they could leave public housing which 530 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,930 as I said was not for poor people at the time it was for 531 00:34:06,930 --> 00:34:09,720 working class families, they could leave public housing and 532 00:34:09,720 --> 00:34:12,900 move into single family homes and suburbs like Levittown, or 533 00:34:12,900 --> 00:34:18,360 Westlake or San Lorenzo and pay less than their monthly VA and 534 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:23,280 FHA mortgages and other housing costs pay less for housing and 535 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,770 these single family homes than they were paying for rent and 536 00:34:25,770 --> 00:34:26,460 public housing. 537 00:34:28,380 --> 00:34:32,220 Yes, I recall some of this from previous episodes. 538 00:34:32,849 --> 00:34:36,929 So we're comparing apples to apples here. Man one black one 539 00:34:36,929 --> 00:34:42,539 white saying family kids same income, but one had access to 540 00:34:42,539 --> 00:34:46,739 move to this nice neighborhood subsidized by the government and 541 00:34:46,769 --> 00:34:49,919 other ones restricted I mean completely restricted. So I 542 00:34:49,919 --> 00:34:53,999 mean, I'm hoping I'm Lana's the integration part I mean the 543 00:34:53,999 --> 00:34:57,779 segregation part out the integration 544 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,140 which, which episode was it Just for people's reference when we 545 00:35:01,140 --> 00:35:04,200 talked about this specifically about the homes not not being 546 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,500 allowed to sell the home then it was on 547 00:35:07,740 --> 00:35:10,380 the white white flag with the white flight when I can't that 548 00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:14,520 was white slice, don't think it was white flight. But that, but 549 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,220 this is what Michelle Obama was talking about in her in her 550 00:35:17,220 --> 00:35:23,040 O'Brien's in the episode herself of white flight. But yeah, this 551 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,150 is I don't want to harp on this too long because like I said, 552 00:35:27,150 --> 00:35:31,740 this is not the key, but what you're starting to do is 553 00:35:31,740 --> 00:35:34,230 understand not you, because you've been doing the work 554 00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:35,850 you've been about the business of doing the work. 555 00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:38,910 Thank you. Thanks for acknowledging me. 556 00:35:42,570 --> 00:35:47,370 Now, what it does is if you've got all this pressure, I'm what 557 00:35:47,370 --> 00:35:50,610 I'm doing is building this ecology of the person that will 558 00:35:50,610 --> 00:35:55,230 take the deal of integration. If you've been suppressed and you 559 00:35:55,230 --> 00:35:59,550 know, oppressed and forced to live in these not so great 560 00:35:59,550 --> 00:36:03,840 conditions. It's either go back to their mind, I'm just trying 561 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,900 to make make everybody human here, right? It's either go back 562 00:36:06,900 --> 00:36:12,870 to the south where it is visible, oppressive racism, like 563 00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:18,660 Jim Crow, or if I stand north, I had to stay where it's not 564 00:36:18,660 --> 00:36:22,680 segregated by, you know, your shear wheel to work. It's just 565 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,680 like, oh, all the blacks nothing together. So you have criminal 566 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,950 blacks, you have low class blacks, you have, you know, all 567 00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:32,070 these working class and middle income, and middle income 568 00:36:32,070 --> 00:36:37,140 blacks. Um, so now I'm just setting up how integration 569 00:36:37,140 --> 00:36:41,340 sounded like a good idea on its face value when you get the 570 00:36:41,340 --> 00:36:45,540 chance to move out, but there's always a catch. But before we 571 00:36:45,540 --> 00:36:49,290 move there, let's wrap up with the last clip, clip from Richard 572 00:36:49,290 --> 00:36:50,550 Rothstein. Number five. 573 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:55,350 So we created the situation and African American neighborhoods 574 00:36:55,350 --> 00:36:59,100 became more and more overcrowded. As well as 575 00:36:59,130 --> 00:37:02,250 depressed because of lack of employment opportunities more 576 00:37:02,250 --> 00:37:04,830 and more overcrowded, because they were restricted and where 577 00:37:04,830 --> 00:37:07,290 they could move. There were no opportunities outside urban 578 00:37:07,290 --> 00:37:10,740 areas. As they became more overcrowded conditions 579 00:37:10,740 --> 00:37:15,180 deteriorated in the communities. City services typically declined 580 00:37:15,180 --> 00:37:19,560 at that point, less garbage collection, they became slums. 581 00:37:19,830 --> 00:37:22,320 And whites looked at these communities and decided that 582 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,830 African Americans were slum dwellers, and therefore should 583 00:37:25,830 --> 00:37:29,280 be avoided. But this was all the product of government policy, 584 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,460 this was not something that happened naturally, it was not 585 00:37:32,460 --> 00:37:35,190 something that happened by accident. It was not, as we 586 00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:39,270 commonly think, something de facto, it was a legal creation, 587 00:37:39,420 --> 00:37:42,450 just as the desegregation of schools or the segregation of 588 00:37:42,450 --> 00:37:47,310 restaurants, was segregation of transportation was done by 589 00:37:47,310 --> 00:37:49,170 government in the 20th century. 590 00:37:49,350 --> 00:37:52,050 Bastards, I tell you, where they think, 591 00:37:53,250 --> 00:37:57,180 some guy he made that point, and it's gonna come out later, but 592 00:37:57,180 --> 00:38:00,690 what we have to look at is people that say, Okay, we want 593 00:38:00,690 --> 00:38:02,850 to separate but equal because there's gonna be a big part of 594 00:38:02,850 --> 00:38:09,150 the show two people are saying separate, we're equal. What that 595 00:38:09,180 --> 00:38:12,540 what the thing is, I want it to be integrated with opportunity 596 00:38:12,570 --> 00:38:18,270 to these loans, opportunity to gi bills, opportunity to have 597 00:38:18,690 --> 00:38:24,150 the same schools. So if you're going to build two schools, one 598 00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:26,070 for black children, one for white children, they should be 599 00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:32,790 identical. Right? But that's not how the separate but equal idea, 600 00:38:32,820 --> 00:38:37,350 you know, and legislation played out. So it's not that we want it 601 00:38:37,350 --> 00:38:42,810 to I had this conversation with my mother. And this is kind of 602 00:38:42,810 --> 00:38:45,090 what episode it was kind of brewing after I had this 603 00:38:45,090 --> 00:38:46,110 conversation with her, 604 00:38:46,139 --> 00:38:50,189 okay. You gotta promise me do your mom's voice otherwise, it 605 00:38:50,189 --> 00:38:53,699 just doesn't work for me. Please, 606 00:38:53,790 --> 00:38:56,700 I was like, Manuel, I said, What was your thinking? I was like, 607 00:38:57,660 --> 00:39:02,010 the white paws that sweeter white coffee that hotter? And 608 00:39:02,010 --> 00:39:04,860 she said, ciao, you know, we just wanted to be seen as 609 00:39:04,860 --> 00:39:08,940 humans. And I'm like, I can get it. You know, I mean, so it was 610 00:39:08,940 --> 00:39:15,390 more of not wanting to be in the restaurant but allowed to go in 611 00:39:15,390 --> 00:39:17,610 there. You know, they didn't want to be restricted. So I 612 00:39:17,610 --> 00:39:21,540 think Miss, we oversimplify with this rule word counter. And it's 613 00:39:21,540 --> 00:39:24,960 like, they were just dying to get a piece of that pie. Or you 614 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:29,370 know, literally are dying to get a cup of coffee. It was more on 615 00:39:29,370 --> 00:39:34,980 human see me. And really the bigger conversation was, he was 616 00:39:34,980 --> 00:39:38,400 the trade off. And this is where this is rocket sinister. And 617 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,120 just just in my mind, because just how we just set it up to 618 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,480 all this has been government sanction. So in my mind, they 619 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,980 said, Okay, you want the white school and no white books. You 620 00:39:49,980 --> 00:39:53,280 got to take the white teachers along with it. It wasn't that 621 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,210 and then I say this because my dad was his last year of school 622 00:39:57,210 --> 00:40:00,510 was his first year integration. So imagining Coming up. Now 623 00:40:00,510 --> 00:40:04,290 narcissists tell these things, but Miss misses my perspective, 624 00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:09,720 right? And it's kind of I went to school for 1112 years, we're 625 00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:13,020 all black people didn't use wanna thrust me into this 626 00:40:13,590 --> 00:40:17,430 integration experiment, right? When you could just easily bring 627 00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:21,000 a load of books over here. You know, bring your cat couple of 628 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,440 cans of paint over here. 629 00:40:24,210 --> 00:40:27,420 That goes to separate but equal that just ended right there and 630 00:40:27,420 --> 00:40:30,210 said, Okay, separate but equal, but not at our place. 631 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:36,840 Right, which a lot of black people at that time didn't want 632 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,560 to go to white schools, no matter how they make it seem 633 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,860 like, oh, we wanted to be bused. Or, you know, we you know, and 634 00:40:43,860 --> 00:40:46,890 this is where imagery and narrative come in. You know, 635 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,230 I've always speak about the little girl carrying her books 636 00:40:49,230 --> 00:40:52,440 and white people on both sides on both files, is yelling and 637 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:56,130 screaming. It's like, why would I want to put my child through 638 00:40:56,130 --> 00:41:01,110 that? You know, but, I mean, that's the narrative. And I know 639 00:41:01,110 --> 00:41:05,430 I'm dragging out. And this is where the narrative got picked 640 00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:09,240 up by the media. And this is a throwback clip from show 12 641 00:41:09,810 --> 00:41:12,300 media MLK and civil rights movement. 642 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:19,320 As a story, the Civil Rights Movement had it all. Good versus 643 00:41:19,950 --> 00:41:24,570 drama, social upheaval. But at first America's major media 644 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,910 ignored it, especially in the South. 645 00:41:27,150 --> 00:41:32,400 It was our responsibility to find a way to dramatize the 646 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:33,450 issue here was 647 00:41:33,450 --> 00:41:36,660 Congressman John Lewis says that the movements leaders realized 648 00:41:36,690 --> 00:41:41,040 to bring change, they needed to reach white Americans. How did 649 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:41,580 you do that? 650 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:48,120 As a movement? We literally put our bodies on the line, you have 651 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,280 influence on the Civil Rights coverage, 652 00:41:50,310 --> 00:41:54,210 Hank, klibanoff co wrote the race be a book about the media 653 00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:57,600 and the movement? Well, race was a big story in the south 654 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,350 beginning in the 40s and 50s. It's just that no one knew about 655 00:42:01,350 --> 00:42:06,090 it. Finally, by 1957, major northern newspapers discover the 656 00:42:06,090 --> 00:42:08,940 drama and the story. How do you feel about integrated 657 00:42:08,940 --> 00:42:12,270 passengers, the television networks followed, even major 658 00:42:12,270 --> 00:42:16,830 southern media paid attention to the open hatred, you got to keep 659 00:42:16,830 --> 00:42:20,370 the white and the black set and the violent response to peaceful 660 00:42:20,370 --> 00:42:20,970 protests? 661 00:42:21,420 --> 00:42:25,710 If you're gonna beat us, beat us in the light of day, beat us 662 00:42:25,710 --> 00:42:26,820 weather cameras on 663 00:42:27,089 --> 00:42:32,459 on gov. This was Selma, Alabama, 1960 Pa. Among the bloodied John 664 00:42:32,459 --> 00:42:33,059 Lewis, 665 00:42:33,390 --> 00:42:37,920 American people could not stand it to see young children. And 666 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:42,450 all women been knocked down by fire hoses and chased by police 667 00:42:42,450 --> 00:42:42,900 stole. 668 00:42:44,610 --> 00:42:47,910 Yeah, nice story, as I said in the beginning of the clip, nice 669 00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:48,540 story. 670 00:42:48,570 --> 00:42:51,330 But as I said, they had it all, you know, and he even said we 671 00:42:51,330 --> 00:42:58,740 had to dramatize. So this is where people with a certain 672 00:42:58,740 --> 00:43:02,010 motive. And they were being steered, I believe being 673 00:43:02,010 --> 00:43:07,410 steered, I'm gonna allow some evidence here. That integration 674 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,580 wasn't really demand that black people were making. This is all 675 00:43:11,610 --> 00:43:15,660 this is completely all narrative, if I truly believe 676 00:43:15,690 --> 00:43:18,660 I've talked to enough older black people, and that will say, 677 00:43:18,690 --> 00:43:21,090 hey, we could have went to schools and had the same books 678 00:43:21,090 --> 00:43:25,380 and chalking, at least it was parity, they're not even if it 679 00:43:25,380 --> 00:43:28,980 was the same books, but Okay, our books is like a couple of 680 00:43:28,980 --> 00:43:32,520 years older than their addition. My dad used to say they used to 681 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,660 have to go to school and piece together books, just so they had 682 00:43:36,660 --> 00:43:41,820 proper materials, the start of school year with so I mean, 683 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,700 what, okay, let me explain to you what I'm doing here on China 684 00:43:47,700 --> 00:43:50,730 diffuse. And we always talk about the wars, right? It's the 685 00:43:50,730 --> 00:43:54,270 gender war, the race war and the generational war. And this one 686 00:43:54,270 --> 00:43:59,220 right here is an inter racial intra racial war between the 687 00:43:59,220 --> 00:44:01,650 generations because the younger people look at the output not 688 00:44:01,650 --> 00:44:05,700 use stupid to get spin on a hit in the head for a cup of coffee 689 00:44:05,700 --> 00:44:08,100 and a slice of pie. I mean, that's what they bought it down 690 00:44:08,100 --> 00:44:09,030 to know. 691 00:44:09,810 --> 00:44:12,210 Well, that's what the younger generation perhaps has been 692 00:44:12,210 --> 00:44:15,750 taught in school through other ways. You know, through the 693 00:44:15,780 --> 00:44:18,270 through the stories they've been told the way it went down 694 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:20,160 the stories by who? 695 00:44:21,389 --> 00:44:23,369 about slavery and 696 00:44:23,909 --> 00:44:27,029 that's that by who by who not about but by who's telling the 697 00:44:27,029 --> 00:44:33,359 story, the media led to show the show off the clips I played 698 00:44:33,359 --> 00:44:36,719 right today with Calvin Baker. Right. He's just coming in to 699 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:41,969 write another story. Not facts, not proof. I mean, this is what 700 00:44:41,969 --> 00:44:47,129 Richard Rothstein is peatland, not proof. Um, the other 701 00:44:47,129 --> 00:44:51,569 gentleman is named Jerome Bennett. He's laying out proof, 702 00:44:51,779 --> 00:44:55,439 but he's like, no, no, no, no, no. We have to indoctrinate the 703 00:44:55,439 --> 00:45:00,689 children to believe that these mean white people Not the 704 00:45:00,689 --> 00:45:03,959 government, but the citizens want it segregation, 705 00:45:03,989 --> 00:45:08,639 right? That America was inherently a bunch of bad 706 00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:11,429 Fockers, they were just bad people, we'd had nothing good in 707 00:45:11,429 --> 00:45:11,909 mind. 708 00:45:13,230 --> 00:45:15,450 Right? And then average white person is my I'm just going to 709 00:45:15,450 --> 00:45:19,920 work in meetings, you know, live my life. So and but then the 710 00:45:19,950 --> 00:45:22,830 younger black people look at the older black people's like, shut 711 00:45:22,830 --> 00:45:25,650 up, Boomer, you say you were dumb enough to oh, we could have 712 00:45:25,650 --> 00:45:30,450 had our own schools. What I'm doing is die fusing, and 713 00:45:30,450 --> 00:45:35,190 unpacking this narrative. So we can move forward, in fact, kind 714 00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:37,170 of quite how it was laid out quite the 715 00:45:37,170 --> 00:45:42,870 opposite to what to what we heard earlier. With Baker, two 716 00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:46,380 generations, if you if you don't stop this, if you let it go on 717 00:45:46,380 --> 00:45:49,110 for the two generations, for everyone to integrate it yet. 718 00:45:49,260 --> 00:45:52,680 It's only gonna get two generations worse exponentially. 719 00:45:53,130 --> 00:45:55,200 Because that's what we're seeing. It's like, boom, boom, 720 00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,050 boom, boom, all the way through the generations now and it winds 721 00:45:58,050 --> 00:46:01,380 up with what you boomers were stupid, what the next generation 722 00:46:01,380 --> 00:46:02,400 will be even worse. 723 00:46:03,090 --> 00:46:06,270 And then we have this super weapon called social media. 724 00:46:06,270 --> 00:46:09,720 Yeah. I mean, we're talking about television here. Yeah. 725 00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:13,440 Back in the 60s with the media. Now you take this super weapon, 726 00:46:13,620 --> 00:46:16,050 and loaded the net and load that super weapon up with this 727 00:46:16,050 --> 00:46:20,790 narrative. And we're gonna be what? That's what this Facebook 728 00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:23,490 show was talking about. And something I miss from that 729 00:46:23,490 --> 00:46:26,250 Facebook show. I mean, not Facebook, excuse me Netflix 730 00:46:26,250 --> 00:46:26,610 show. 731 00:46:26,670 --> 00:46:30,540 I mean, social media. Yeah, the social. The social dilemma. 732 00:46:31,409 --> 00:46:36,869 Yeah, social dilemma is casting spells. Yes, they actually use 733 00:46:36,869 --> 00:46:41,189 that terminology, in which, oh, no, SIBO show, we lay that out, 734 00:46:41,189 --> 00:46:51,809 you know, we were from the future do. Um, so what we got to 735 00:46:51,809 --> 00:46:57,479 do now is, I spoke about how black people started voting, 736 00:46:58,229 --> 00:47:04,409 democratically. And that was with Nixon and JFK and JFK, Bill 737 00:47:04,409 --> 00:47:07,499 and Nixon. Now, you know, that kind of thing. But it was a 738 00:47:07,499 --> 00:47:12,299 piece of the story I left out on the cutting room floor. So this 739 00:47:12,299 --> 00:47:14,669 is kind of like a throwback clip, because it's from the same 740 00:47:14,669 --> 00:47:18,479 piece, but we didn't really examine this portion of it. And 741 00:47:18,479 --> 00:47:22,199 this is Jeffrey Frank, a senior editor at the New York at the 742 00:47:22,199 --> 00:47:27,449 New Yorker. And he wrote the book, I can dig a portrait of 743 00:47:27,449 --> 00:47:30,809 strained political marriage. So he's gonna speak about Richard 744 00:47:30,809 --> 00:47:32,039 Nixon MLK, 745 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,980 and it was devastating. The most devastating thing of all for 746 00:47:34,980 --> 00:47:37,410 Nixon, by the way, was it was an act of cowardice when doctrine 747 00:47:37,410 --> 00:47:42,030 productive King was arrested on a totally trumped up charge, and 748 00:47:42,030 --> 00:47:44,850 put in a paddy wagon and in chains to be taken to Roseville 749 00:47:44,850 --> 00:47:48,030 prison in Georgia. Coretta Scott King called both campaigns, the 750 00:47:48,030 --> 00:47:50,040 Kennedy campaign and Nixon campaign. So would you please 751 00:47:50,070 --> 00:47:53,700 help get him out? There was the violence against African 752 00:47:53,700 --> 00:47:56,430 Americans in the South in Georgia. That was horrible. And 753 00:47:56,430 --> 00:47:59,550 she really thought he was going to be killed. And Kennedy, 754 00:47:59,970 --> 00:48:03,090 Kennedy, people stepped up and Nixon's Nixon told his advisers 755 00:48:03,090 --> 00:48:04,860 that I would just be grandstanding to interfere with 756 00:48:04,860 --> 00:48:08,460 the legal process and King, it was it. King later said that he 757 00:48:08,460 --> 00:48:10,410 had, you know, we were in touch we were I thought we were 758 00:48:10,410 --> 00:48:15,840 friends. And he was it's a real moral, real moral lapse. And, 759 00:48:16,410 --> 00:48:19,740 and if and if Nixon had done it, it Kennedy was sitting down with 760 00:48:19,740 --> 00:48:25,350 the candidate to send out a campaign flyer that said, no 761 00:48:25,350 --> 00:48:28,530 comment Nixon versus the candidate with a heart and that, 762 00:48:28,770 --> 00:48:33,090 and if if Nixon had carried the black vote, and he probably he 763 00:48:33,090 --> 00:48:36,240 still got 32% of the black vote, unlike when they when they went, 764 00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:39,690 Republicans get like 2% of the black vote, but he would have 765 00:48:39,690 --> 00:48:42,000 won, he would have won probably would have won at least at least 766 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,070 two more states and everything would have changed and 767 00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:51,180 wow. Yeah. Hey, it's a question about this. Who was this again? 768 00:48:51,180 --> 00:48:51,930 Who was speaking? 769 00:48:52,889 --> 00:48:56,159 That's Geoffrey Frank. He's a senior editor at the New Yorker. 770 00:48:56,580 --> 00:49:00,210 You know, I was just listening to his cadence, you know, 771 00:49:00,420 --> 00:49:03,660 something that I learned from Dvorak, I guess, and no agenda. 772 00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:09,510 But listen to how he spoke. He sounds eerily like John Brennan, 773 00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:13,980 the head of the CIA, the same Katie, that was wondering to see 774 00:49:14,100 --> 00:49:18,540 Cain and Ceman. That guy might be a spook, or hang out with 775 00:49:18,540 --> 00:49:18,780 him. 776 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:27,660 Well, if he was, Well, speaking of spooks, okay. Yeah. And what 777 00:49:27,660 --> 00:49:30,630 we mean by that spies, we don't want to trigger anybody. I mean, 778 00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:31,500 because that could be taken 779 00:49:32,970 --> 00:49:36,300 the option of spy spookier 780 00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,880 spies. I know we have to do that though. Because we might have 781 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:43,050 some new listeners and we don't want to, you know, trigger. But 782 00:49:44,610 --> 00:49:47,430 it's funny you bring that up because that made me start to 783 00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:51,060 think when I heard this clip again. I said why would MLK 784 00:49:51,060 --> 00:49:55,230 think that him and Nixon were friends. That's I mean, that's, 785 00:49:55,890 --> 00:49:59,040 that's, that's a stretch like, No, you're just meeting somebody 786 00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,280 and you're talking about policies or possible political 787 00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,820 workings? They say he thought that him and Nick's good friend 788 00:50:05,820 --> 00:50:10,440 now we know, daddy King Martin Luther King senior. You're 789 00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,040 saying that had strong ties to the Republican Party, right? But 790 00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:18,270 it was just like how well how did Nixon and King King Jr, meet 791 00:50:19,350 --> 00:50:21,960 softhearted started doing some digging, as I always do. And one 792 00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,840 thing I always say will tell Adam and just let people inside 793 00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:29,130 baseball. I said, the longer he gives me to prepare, the better 794 00:50:29,130 --> 00:50:31,200 show will be so this is why 795 00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,680 I always say take a month mode, do whatever you want to go. You 796 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,900 just tell me when to show up. We're good. 797 00:50:38,159 --> 00:50:43,199 So on this little piece, this little nugget, MLK Nixon won. 798 00:50:43,530 --> 00:50:48,390 This photo of MLK and Richard Nixon was once taboo. Now see it 799 00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:53,430 in Tampa by Maggie Duffy Tampa Bay Times, January 17 2020. 800 00:50:54,060 --> 00:50:57,120 Griffith J. Davis saw the historic moment happened and 801 00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:00,840 clicked his camera. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Emerging civil 802 00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,050 rights leader fresh off the Montgomery bus boycotts was 803 00:51:04,050 --> 00:51:07,800 talking to then Vice President Richard Nixon. They were flanked 804 00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,820 by their wives Coretta Scott King and Patricia Nixon. It was 805 00:51:11,820 --> 00:51:16,710 March 1957. Newly independent Ghana was celebrating with 806 00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:20,670 ceremonies and its capital, Accra. Nixon was there leading 807 00:51:20,670 --> 00:51:24,690 the official US delegation, Ghana's Prime Minister, Kwame 808 00:51:24,750 --> 00:51:29,700 Nkrumah invited the Kings Davis, an African American audiovisual 809 00:51:29,700 --> 00:51:33,090 officer for the US Foreign Service stationed in Africa had 810 00:51:33,090 --> 00:51:36,210 been sent to document Nixon's first visit to the continent. 811 00:51:36,690 --> 00:51:40,470 During their talk, Nixon invited Dr. King to Washington DC to 812 00:51:40,470 --> 00:51:43,770 discuss the civil rights movement. But fears ran high 813 00:51:43,770 --> 00:51:47,100 that the image could increase the tension of race relations. 814 00:51:47,250 --> 00:51:50,430 This meeting would have been too volatile to have taken place in 815 00:51:50,430 --> 00:51:53,280 the United States, according to the US Department of State's 816 00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,970 website, Share America and the photo was not published there at 817 00:51:56,970 --> 00:52:00,810 the time. The photo is being publicly displayed for the first 818 00:52:00,810 --> 00:52:04,680 time in Tampa as part of the exhibition grift Davis and 819 00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:10,140 Langston Hughes letters and photographs. 1947 To 1967 global 820 00:52:10,140 --> 00:52:10,680 friendship 821 00:52:13,050 --> 00:52:18,360 global friendship, this guy Griffin J. Davis. I'm like who 822 00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,660 is this? I never heard of him before black black men are so 823 00:52:21,660 --> 00:52:23,040 called black man. He doesn't even have 824 00:52:23,100 --> 00:52:26,580 a wiki page. He's got a lot of archives of photos but 825 00:52:27,929 --> 00:52:33,179 Right, right, and they said in there he was a foreign officer 826 00:52:33,179 --> 00:52:38,789 foreign civil officer. He worked with an NSA ID. 827 00:52:40,740 --> 00:52:44,250 Which, you know, USA ID 828 00:52:45,060 --> 00:52:47,940 basically USA. Yes, USA ID, which I've heard you mentioned 829 00:52:47,940 --> 00:52:48,480 before. Yeah. 830 00:52:48,509 --> 00:52:53,729 Which is essentially the payment channel for the CIA that they're 831 00:52:53,759 --> 00:53:00,359 closely related. USA ID. They're the money guy did the bad guys 832 00:53:00,359 --> 00:53:04,019 for bag isn't big for anything that needs to be done. 833 00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,730 So as they laid this story out, and it was read by James 834 00:53:08,730 --> 00:53:16,200 Jennifer, thank you, Jane. Yes, I'm Jane. Um, as she as she read 835 00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:20,280 what was written in think as the Tampa Bay Times, I believe. That 836 00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,880 was all he was just had Griffin J. Davis just happened to be 837 00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,670 there and snap the picture that captured this meeting between 838 00:53:26,670 --> 00:53:31,980 MLK and Nixon. Well, I've had to go and dig up on the history of 839 00:53:31,980 --> 00:53:35,760 Mr. Griffin J. Davis. Yeah. Griffin J. Davis one. 840 00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:40,560 I'm Dorothy Davis. I'm the daughter of Griffith J. Davis, a 841 00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:45,510 pioneer African American photographer, journalist and 842 00:53:45,510 --> 00:53:50,580 diplomat, slash US Foreign Service officer. I'm here to 843 00:53:50,790 --> 00:53:54,570 tell you a bit about his work. But more importantly, I want you 844 00:53:54,570 --> 00:53:58,080 to focus on the stories that he told through these different 845 00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:03,480 lenses. My father was born in Atlanta, Georgia, literally on 846 00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,800 the campus of Morehouse College. He ultimately graduated from 847 00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:12,030 Morehouse College, he went to World War Two, he was a Buffalo 848 00:54:12,030 --> 00:54:17,940 Soldier in Italy. And he was a photographer there. Okay. 849 00:54:19,139 --> 00:54:22,799 Now Griffin, J. Davis is even one that most interested me and 850 00:54:22,799 --> 00:54:26,609 that we never heard of, which we should hear of, or maybe he's on 851 00:54:26,609 --> 00:54:30,299 the up and up. Or there's something very nefarious about 852 00:54:31,139 --> 00:54:37,259 him just being being around. I don't 853 00:54:37,260 --> 00:54:41,340 care what you say Mo. A guy like this has no wiki page. That's a 854 00:54:41,340 --> 00:54:41,970 problem. 855 00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,320 Oh, let me let me add to that. Now this is a writing from his 856 00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,980 son. It says from a personal perspective, David's parents 857 00:54:50,220 --> 00:54:54,450 knew Dr. King and his father has been had been at the original 858 00:54:54,450 --> 00:54:59,640 1963 March on Washington and Selma and 1965. Okay, so this 859 00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,930 guy's Griffin de j. Griffin J. Davis is popping up. Now he's 860 00:55:03,930 --> 00:55:06,750 working for the government. But he's popping up at the marshal 861 00:55:06,750 --> 00:55:09,780 in Washington and Selma. They said during a conference 862 00:55:10,050 --> 00:55:14,940 presentation, Davis shared rare photos of Dr. King taking a 863 00:55:14,940 --> 00:55:19,170 night in the 1950s by his father. It sounds like this guy 864 00:55:19,170 --> 00:55:23,130 was either. And he goes, he was at Morehouse at the same time. 865 00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:28,170 That King was there after coming back for work. After being in 866 00:55:28,170 --> 00:55:30,900 the military for a while, he comes back tomorrow and she even 867 00:55:30,900 --> 00:55:33,900 said he was born at Morehouse. Let's not forget Rockefeller 868 00:55:33,900 --> 00:55:41,340 Fund at Morehouse. Yeah, I'm like, Who was this guy to snatch 869 00:55:41,340 --> 00:55:45,270 this, this historic picture? But then they don't show it until 870 00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:51,000 2020. It just doesn't make sense. It doesn't make it makes 871 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,570 all the sense to me. But it doesn't make sense. Right? That, 872 00:55:55,200 --> 00:56:00,150 like you say, everybody has a wiki page. Yeah, this guy 873 00:56:00,150 --> 00:56:00,570 doesn't. 874 00:56:00,660 --> 00:56:05,190 Yeah. And this is and I actually Griffis davis.com. That's 875 00:56:05,190 --> 00:56:07,290 probably where you got the link to the Tampa Bay Times. I'm 876 00:56:07,290 --> 00:56:09,120 putting that in the show. I'm just putting stuff in the show 877 00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,510 notes. And yeah, that is, that is a great picture, by the way. 878 00:56:14,250 --> 00:56:16,620 That is a great trick. Who else is there? And that's correct. 879 00:56:16,620 --> 00:56:17,160 Okay. 880 00:56:18,330 --> 00:56:19,650 Yeah, gotcha. Wow. 881 00:56:20,940 --> 00:56:24,300 That came out January 1 of 2020. I think 882 00:56:25,380 --> 00:56:30,840 it just came out January 7. So people think recovery history 883 00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:35,430 here. And now we're on Earth in New Earth this miss up the new. 884 00:56:36,540 --> 00:56:39,600 And it was how I want to remind people that we're not talking 885 00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:43,800 about MLK the person this this get this clear. We're talking 886 00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:48,990 about MLK the product that how he's used by the media, as a 887 00:56:48,990 --> 00:56:52,920 trigger as totos, Bach conquista Judah one foot for 888 00:56:53,730 --> 00:56:56,640 the Caucasian liberals have a lot invested in the image of 889 00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,930 Martin Luther King. Martin Luther King is a trigger that 890 00:57:00,930 --> 00:57:03,780 they use to control American blacks. Remember, remember, 891 00:57:03,780 --> 00:57:06,540 whenever American blacks start to get out of control, they 892 00:57:06,540 --> 00:57:10,410 bring up Martin Luther King. Because that's how they rein you 893 00:57:10,410 --> 00:57:14,130 in. You got to be more like Dr. King, you have to follow his 894 00:57:14,130 --> 00:57:17,910 message. Right? You have to want to be with me, you have to want 895 00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:21,960 to hold my hand. Once again, Martin Luther King was a pawn of 896 00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,590 the globalists, they utilize him to bring you black people into 897 00:57:25,590 --> 00:57:32,190 the fold of globalism, aka Luciferianism. The economic 898 00:57:32,190 --> 00:57:35,250 system of Luciferianism is communism. 899 00:57:38,580 --> 00:57:42,510 So here's the question, though. So this is clearly clearly been 900 00:57:42,510 --> 00:57:46,260 put out for a reason. I don't think it's just like, Oh, my we 901 00:57:46,260 --> 00:57:51,600 found this. But what's the benefit of Richard Nixon? Who 902 00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:52,530 does that benefit? 903 00:57:53,969 --> 00:57:56,519 I don't know. And I don't know who's pulling the strings here. 904 00:57:56,519 --> 00:58:01,859 And what it seems like here is it to me and this is just my, 905 00:58:01,889 --> 00:58:07,829 just my, what I took away from I'm still processing this. It 906 00:58:07,829 --> 00:58:14,129 seems like you had Griffin J. Griffin. J. Davis was like, Hey, 907 00:58:14,129 --> 00:58:17,189 you keep an eye on King, you know, make sure he's no, he's 908 00:58:17,189 --> 00:58:21,329 not getting around to me radicals. Um, that kind of 909 00:58:21,329 --> 00:58:25,319 thing. And you know, when he shows up with Nixon, and that's 910 00:58:25,319 --> 00:58:28,619 more a king we can work with inside the parameters of 911 00:58:28,799 --> 00:58:33,329 capitalism and Americanism, and not that communist mess that 912 00:58:33,329 --> 00:58:39,689 you're being persuaded with. And I think that Griffin J. Davis 913 00:58:39,689 --> 00:58:44,729 kind of lost probably lost his asset. I mean, in a way, because 914 00:58:44,729 --> 00:58:47,879 you know, he was I'm sure he was, you know, a Morehouse guy. 915 00:58:47,879 --> 00:58:51,629 He's a Morehouse guy. Hey, bro, you know, me kind of thing. You 916 00:58:51,629 --> 00:58:56,849 know, the Boulais thing. Yeah, but but I think that that's how 917 00:58:56,849 --> 00:59:01,919 he was making and then now, when you have Republicans interested 918 00:59:01,919 --> 00:59:04,769 in the black vote again, this Nixon story pops up. I don't 919 00:59:04,769 --> 00:59:10,979 know where. Yeah. This is this is I'm just taking it. I mean, I 920 00:59:10,979 --> 00:59:11,219 know 921 00:59:11,219 --> 00:59:14,339 it's, I love this and I'm just I'm just looking at this. Oh, 922 00:59:14,339 --> 00:59:18,539 his daughter put it out. She's the one that founded the Griffin 923 00:59:18,569 --> 00:59:21,989 Griffith J. Davis. Archives. 924 00:59:22,530 --> 00:59:26,130 Yeah, she was the one speaking in and video as well. Um, the 925 00:59:26,130 --> 00:59:28,770 last clip that we played right before the Chronicle, Judas 926 00:59:28,770 --> 00:59:28,950 went, 927 00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:29,850 Yeah, so 928 00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:36,750 it's obviously King, daddy King, and mixing the head their 929 00:59:36,750 --> 00:59:40,980 relationship but Kenny became through and got him out in a 930 00:59:40,980 --> 00:59:43,260 pinch, you know, when he was in a pinch, and I think Nixon just 931 00:59:43,260 --> 00:59:46,860 didn't want to be bothered with it because like, who get 30 40% 932 00:59:46,860 --> 00:59:49,410 of the black vote and just look how divided the black vote with 933 00:59:49,410 --> 00:59:53,580 men. Right? Even then, I mean, Republicans got 30% and 934 00:59:53,790 --> 00:59:57,630 Democrats got 60% Even after getting King on Office. So I 935 00:59:57,630 --> 01:00:01,500 mean, just showing you so now we have to Look at the relationship 936 01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,080 between what we're doing here we're building how they get to 937 01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:07,740 integration. And we've seen the media picked up on the story. 938 01:00:08,010 --> 01:00:18,960 And now the Kennedys see MLK as a viable resource. So I want to 939 01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:22,470 get into a little background on the gentleman who's gonna be 940 01:00:22,470 --> 01:00:26,280 speaking next. And that's Mr. Glenn Ford, and this is his bio. 941 01:00:26,549 --> 01:00:30,389 Now joining us to talk about Kennedy is Glenn Ford. Glenn is 942 01:00:30,389 --> 01:00:34,019 the executive editor of Black Agenda Report. He was the 943 01:00:34,019 --> 01:00:36,539 founder and host of America's Black Forum, the first 944 01:00:36,539 --> 01:00:39,449 nationally syndicated black news interview show on commercial 945 01:00:39,449 --> 01:00:43,559 television. He's also the author of The Big Lie and analysis of 946 01:00:43,559 --> 01:00:46,679 US media coverage of the Grenada invasion. Thanks very much for 947 01:00:46,679 --> 01:00:47,549 joining us again, Glenn. 948 01:00:47,879 --> 01:00:50,459 Oh, man, that's another thing I need to look at the Grenada 949 01:00:50,459 --> 01:00:52,919 invasion. Thanks for reminding me. 950 01:00:53,219 --> 01:00:57,809 Well, this is where we got to be careful about color and colorism 951 01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:01,559 and, you know, saying who's black and not black? Because 952 01:01:01,559 --> 01:01:07,649 when you see Mr. Glen Ford, he's very fair skinned. But all his 953 01:01:07,649 --> 01:01:10,139 life he even though he's a Marxist, I mean, he's self 954 01:01:10,139 --> 01:01:13,649 proclaimed Marxist. But he's not a cultural Marxists, like the 955 01:01:13,649 --> 01:01:17,309 people of today. He's like the old school Marxist, which I 956 01:01:17,309 --> 01:01:19,739 mean, we disagree on that ideology. You know, I'm a 957 01:01:19,739 --> 01:01:23,219 capitalist, and in the true sense of it, not the corporatist 958 01:01:23,219 --> 01:01:26,309 form that we have now. But if you can buy one for sale for 959 01:01:26,309 --> 01:01:31,229 two, best man wins kind of thing. Um, with that said, he 960 01:01:31,229 --> 01:01:34,949 gets into this notion that Kennedy brothers thought that 961 01:01:34,949 --> 01:01:38,339 the civil rights movement was a nuisance, as best 962 01:01:38,639 --> 01:01:41,819 showing a paint a picture and your view of the world as 963 01:01:42,089 --> 01:01:44,819 Kennedy campaigns and becomes president. 964 01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:50,100 Well, you know, it's generally understood that 1960s, the year 965 01:01:50,340 --> 01:01:55,350 that blacks of the Democratic Party got a lock on the black 966 01:01:55,380 --> 01:02:00,630 vote, many people seem to think that happened just by magic, 967 01:02:00,660 --> 01:02:04,950 because of the Kennedy charm or because the Kennedys were such a 968 01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:08,100 quintessential liberals. And of course, they were not. But it's 969 01:02:08,100 --> 01:02:13,770 much more more complicated than that, although the black voter 970 01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:17,850 had been leaning democratic in those places where blacks could 971 01:02:17,850 --> 01:02:22,500 vote since Roosevelt's era, many blacks were still Republicans, 972 01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:27,060 and the Democratic Party was still weighted down with the 973 01:02:27,060 --> 01:02:33,330 Dixiecrats, the racist Democrats from the south. And in 1952 and 974 01:02:33,330 --> 01:02:37,800 1956, when at least Stephens Stevenson was running for 975 01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:41,610 president as the as the Democrat, that didn't change and 976 01:02:41,610 --> 01:02:45,300 the National Party did not distance itself from an 977 01:02:45,300 --> 01:02:52,890 increasingly vocal and racist and white power structure down 978 01:02:52,890 --> 01:02:53,370 there. 979 01:02:53,790 --> 01:03:00,000 So the Kennedys, you know, they saw MLK for what he was a way to 980 01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:03,720 make inroads with the black vote, right. And the funny thing 981 01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:08,280 is now, it's like we're at the complete opposite of the 982 01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,190 spectrum. You had two Republicans who pretty much had 983 01:03:11,190 --> 01:03:16,260 the black vote. And they took it for granted, and it hurt him. 984 01:03:16,620 --> 01:03:19,890 Now, in 2020, you have the Democrats who have the black 985 01:03:19,890 --> 01:03:23,010 vote, and they're taking it for granted. Something like that. 986 01:03:23,010 --> 01:03:26,430 We're all saying someone can easily swoop in with some kind 987 01:03:26,430 --> 01:03:31,500 of deal. Yep. So kind of gesture, and and destabilize 988 01:03:31,500 --> 01:03:31,830 that. 989 01:03:33,420 --> 01:03:35,700 So well, Marianne Williamson tried. 990 01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:42,510 Which I will say again, Marianne Williamson's plan sounds a lot 991 01:03:42,510 --> 01:03:43,500 like Trump's plan. 992 01:03:43,889 --> 01:03:46,499 It's the same amount of money now it's just number he put it 993 01:03:46,499 --> 01:03:48,989 he put a platinum or platinum sticker on it. 994 01:03:49,889 --> 01:03:52,529 Yeah, he put it you put the platinum on it. And I want to 995 01:03:52,529 --> 01:03:55,739 say one more thing. 1957 is going to be a key year because 996 01:03:55,739 --> 01:03:59,369 let's think back, that's when Nixon and MLK met. So it seemed 997 01:03:59,369 --> 01:04:01,859 like they were grooming this relationship for three years. 998 01:04:01,859 --> 01:04:04,739 And that's probably why MLK was like, Dude, you're gonna leave 999 01:04:04,739 --> 01:04:10,229 me Leave me hanging in jail. And so when the candies came along, 1000 01:04:10,499 --> 01:04:14,279 he's like, I gotta get out of jail, because let's be clear, 1001 01:04:14,579 --> 01:04:18,449 his life was in danger. Yeah, being in jail. I mean, you could 1002 01:04:18,449 --> 01:04:24,029 wake up dead very easily in jail where he was in Georgia. Um, but 1003 01:04:24,029 --> 01:04:27,539 let's get into Kennedy brothers to 1004 01:04:27,900 --> 01:04:33,840 in 1957. With the desegregation of Central High School in Little 1005 01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:38,460 Rock, Arkansas, something really extraordinary happened. Crowds 1006 01:04:38,460 --> 01:04:45,450 of 1000s of white folks, many of them, women tried to block the 1007 01:04:45,450 --> 01:04:48,750 integration of the school. They scream, they hollered, they 1008 01:04:48,750 --> 01:04:52,350 threatened, they cursed and all of that was done in front of 1009 01:04:52,350 --> 01:04:56,250 national television cameras, a very, very embarrassing 1010 01:04:56,250 --> 01:04:59,370 situation for the President of the United States who was trying 1011 01:04:59,370 --> 01:05:05,070 to a I project the US in opposition to Soviet competition 1012 01:05:05,310 --> 01:05:11,520 as being such a liberal place to live and the home of democracy 1013 01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:13,950 and the land of the brave and such. And it was very 1014 01:05:13,950 --> 01:05:18,930 embarrassing. So Eisenhower sent in troops to Little Rock in 1015 01:05:18,930 --> 01:05:24,150 1957. And this had a tremendous impact on black public opinion. 1016 01:05:24,330 --> 01:05:28,740 Because this was the first time since Reconstruction, that the 1017 01:05:28,740 --> 01:05:32,970 federal government had intervened on the side of black 1018 01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:40,020 people. Eisenhower's stock went up in black America, sky high. 1019 01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:45,990 And so as we move into the 1960, presidential election, there was 1020 01:05:45,990 --> 01:05:49,440 great fear among the Democrats, you know, it's going to be a 1021 01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:53,940 very tight race. That Holy Nixon Eisenhower was vice president 1022 01:05:53,970 --> 01:05:58,770 now hitting the ticket may inherit some of that tremendous 1023 01:05:58,770 --> 01:06:03,960 goodwill that Eisenhower got, because of his intervention in 1024 01:06:03,990 --> 01:06:07,050 Little Rock. In 1957, 1025 01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:11,790 ah, you know, nothing good ever comes out a little rock. Always 1026 01:06:11,790 --> 01:06:16,650 troubled Little Rock. Amazing. Amazing. 1027 01:06:17,190 --> 01:06:19,410 I have some of the best barbecue I've ever had in my life from 1028 01:06:19,410 --> 01:06:19,830 Little Rock. 1029 01:06:21,449 --> 01:06:25,289 Little Rock, you know, it's just this weird mass. Like there's 1030 01:06:25,289 --> 01:06:27,629 just some notable things that happened there. 1031 01:06:29,219 --> 01:06:35,639 And notice the year 1957. So now we have Ike sitting in on the 1032 01:06:35,639 --> 01:06:40,169 federal troops in 1957. Until Little Rock at the same time MLK 1033 01:06:40,169 --> 01:06:43,709 is meeting with Nixon so that they have this thing pretty much 1034 01:06:43,709 --> 01:06:48,929 sewed up. Except for they fumbled the ball. They fumbled 1035 01:06:48,929 --> 01:06:51,809 the ball at the one yard line by not getting king I don't know if 1036 01:06:51,809 --> 01:06:54,239 that's because they looked at King like let he's not a major 1037 01:06:54,239 --> 01:06:58,049 figure or, and you know what they really underestimated. They 1038 01:06:58,049 --> 01:07:02,459 under missed underestimated the power of his father. His father 1039 01:07:02,459 --> 01:07:05,069 had juice and Atlanta with the black churches. 1040 01:07:05,490 --> 01:07:08,940 Now, do you think that even back then they considered it didn't 1041 01:07:08,940 --> 01:07:12,270 really matter? Because as long as they had the image of MLK 1042 01:07:12,300 --> 01:07:14,190 didn't really have to have the man himself. 1043 01:07:17,159 --> 01:07:21,269 No, well, I think they said well, we stepped in and Little 1044 01:07:21,269 --> 01:07:27,059 Rock. We met King and 57. He's cool. We don't it's let's not 1045 01:07:27,089 --> 01:07:31,619 upset our white voters. And I'm just like, I'm getting us out of 1046 01:07:31,619 --> 01:07:34,889 their head. Let's not upset our white voters by not overplaying 1047 01:07:34,889 --> 01:07:38,189 our hand. But we still have good favor. Now. I'm thinking how to 1048 01:07:38,189 --> 01:07:43,349 Republican and thinking. And they left the door wide open. If 1049 01:07:43,409 --> 01:07:46,289 I'm just putting myself in King singer shoes. Well, we've talked 1050 01:07:46,289 --> 01:07:49,529 about him and I think there's some things going on with him in 1051 01:07:49,529 --> 01:07:53,639 the background, but and his trip to Nazi Germany in 1933. But, 1052 01:07:53,819 --> 01:07:57,779 you know, that's another story for another day. I think when he 1053 01:07:57,779 --> 01:08:04,259 was like you left my son hanging in jail. Ah, that doesn't speak 1054 01:08:04,259 --> 01:08:07,139 much foreign relationship. No, no, I just think the Republicans 1055 01:08:07,139 --> 01:08:12,119 like we've done so much. What more do you want us to do? And 1056 01:08:12,149 --> 01:08:15,239 that opened the door for candidate to come right in. And 1057 01:08:15,269 --> 01:08:19,589 it was said and this has been quoted from King senior. He 1058 01:08:19,589 --> 01:08:23,609 said, um, my and I'm paraphrasing here, but it was 1059 01:08:23,609 --> 01:08:29,759 that basically my daughter Coretta is crying. And he was 1060 01:08:29,759 --> 01:08:32,909 like Candis, what can you do? And they made the call to get 1061 01:08:33,059 --> 01:08:39,689 King on scene from King Jr. out of jail. And that gave M. King 1062 01:08:39,689 --> 01:08:45,179 senior, the motivation to go out of sway the whole South black 1063 01:08:45,179 --> 01:08:50,849 vote to Kennedy can let's not forget the three peat people on 1064 01:08:50,849 --> 01:08:56,969 the wall. MLK, yep. JFK, yep. And Jesus of the wide variety 1065 01:08:56,999 --> 01:09:02,129 Yeah. That's who's on black people's wall. So that that 1066 01:09:02,129 --> 01:09:06,179 speaks that lets you know how strong the narrative of the 1067 01:09:06,179 --> 01:09:09,359 Kennedys was to the black community at the time 1068 01:09:11,100 --> 01:09:16,380 wow, that's so more narrative narrative is so much analogy and 1069 01:09:16,380 --> 01:09:19,170 so much so recognizable to 1070 01:09:20,850 --> 01:09:26,340 Yeah, what is narrative because as Glenn for is laying out in 1071 01:09:26,340 --> 01:09:30,270 the title of the this is the YouTube title of the show. I got 1072 01:09:30,270 --> 01:09:32,700 it from the Kennedy brothers thought the civil rights 1073 01:09:32,700 --> 01:09:37,770 movement was a nuisance as best I mean, he's a very steady 1074 01:09:37,770 --> 01:09:43,260 people. That he's like, God, I got it. What me? I'm just taking 1075 01:09:43,260 --> 01:09:46,170 liberties here but didn't get him out of jail enough. 1076 01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:50,550 Obviously, it wasn't because I mean, King wants civil rights 1077 01:09:50,820 --> 01:09:54,900 and integration. That was the big ask of their civil rights 1078 01:09:54,900 --> 01:09:58,920 was integration. And let's get into I guess, part three. 1079 01:09:59,460 --> 01:10:03,150 Certainly. This, this issue of their attitude towards the civil 1080 01:10:03,150 --> 01:10:06,720 rights movement they get. They mean JFK and RFK get a lot of 1081 01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:10,500 credit towards promoting and being sort of the beginning of 1082 01:10:10,530 --> 01:10:13,500 support for the civil rights movement and the legislation 1083 01:10:13,500 --> 01:10:17,220 that then came under Johnson. And they get that basically is 1084 01:10:17,220 --> 01:10:19,710 there at the beginning of the sort of modern version of 1085 01:10:19,740 --> 01:10:23,460 Democratic Party liberalism. You don't buy that? 1086 01:10:23,970 --> 01:10:27,090 No, I don't buy that. And the literature actually shows that 1087 01:10:27,090 --> 01:10:32,160 both Kennedy brothers saw the Civil Rights Movement as a 1088 01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:39,300 nuisance at best. Remember, the the FBIs spy campaign against 1089 01:10:39,390 --> 01:10:44,190 Martin Luther King, begin under Robert Kennedy's watch, he was 1090 01:10:44,190 --> 01:10:47,580 aware of it and as tight as those two brothers were they 1091 01:10:47,580 --> 01:10:51,120 talked about everything together, that we can assume 1092 01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:56,490 that John Kennedy was also aware that the FBI was not only spying 1093 01:10:56,490 --> 01:11:01,410 on Martin Luther King, but was trying to destroy his reputation 1094 01:11:01,410 --> 01:11:05,520 that the FBI had King in its sights. 1095 01:11:06,090 --> 01:11:10,620 The March on Washington, Kennedy considered a kind of a victory 1096 01:11:10,620 --> 01:11:14,730 for himself of literature at any rate, says that they considered 1097 01:11:14,730 --> 01:11:18,060 a good example of managed protests and that they 1098 01:11:18,060 --> 01:11:20,610 negotiated with the leaders of the civil rights movement to 1099 01:11:20,610 --> 01:11:24,030 keep the protests contained. What is that story? 1100 01:11:24,390 --> 01:11:27,990 Yeah, that's a Black Lives Matter of version. Oh, point 1101 01:11:27,990 --> 01:11:35,850 one. I love this. I'm learning all kinds of things today. 1102 01:11:38,100 --> 01:11:43,320 But the overarching thing is it's not about what's true. It's 1103 01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:47,220 about who has been stronger narrative. Who has the stronger 1104 01:11:47,220 --> 01:11:50,550 story who has the ties with the media, right, and the media is 1105 01:11:50,550 --> 01:11:54,600 pushing. I mean, they loved they loved JFK, how about 1106 01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:59,640 this for a sec, Griffin? Griffin? Griffith Davis. He 1107 01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:03,930 worked for he worked for ebony. Yep. So awesome. Family. Yep. 1108 01:12:03,990 --> 01:12:07,950 And I'm sure that it was important to have someone who 1109 01:12:08,100 --> 01:12:14,550 had that connection and could perpetrate narrative through 1110 01:12:14,550 --> 01:12:15,480 those channels. 1111 01:12:16,710 --> 01:12:20,550 You know, you know who I see him as, and I brought his name up 1112 01:12:20,550 --> 01:12:22,560 before but we really haven't gotten to him. It's the guy 1113 01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:26,790 named Gordon Parks. And Gordon Parks also worked for the 1114 01:12:26,790 --> 01:12:29,550 government, the government, little bit little be known to 1115 01:12:29,550 --> 01:12:33,720 the public. But he was the one that will follow route MLK, some 1116 01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,540 of the most iconic, not invulnerable, Malcolm, Malcolm 1117 01:12:36,540 --> 01:12:41,100 X. And Muhammad Ali. Some of the iconic pictures from new came 1118 01:12:41,100 --> 01:12:44,970 from Garden parks, and he was represented as a figure in 1119 01:12:44,970 --> 01:12:48,600 American Gangster as the guy with the big mustache. Give me 1120 01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:55,170 Frank Lucas, the all device. So this I think, Griffin date Jay 1121 01:12:55,170 --> 01:13:03,120 Davis was the counter or the No, the opposite, but equal to 1122 01:13:03,390 --> 01:13:07,350 garden parks. Go great garden parks books very, very, I used 1123 01:13:07,350 --> 01:13:12,780 to have a lot of respect for him until I found out that he did a 1124 01:13:12,780 --> 01:13:17,430 lot of snooping and spying and his camera was always in the 1125 01:13:17,430 --> 01:13:20,670 right place at the right time. Just like Griffin, J. J. Davis 1126 01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:28,320 has just an aside. But let's not forget, Hoover was operating 1127 01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:31,230 under Kennedy, if I'm not mistaken. And that was the 1128 01:13:31,230 --> 01:13:33,360 ultimate why you know, it's Hoover it is doing an 1129 01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:37,290 investigation of King not Kennedy. So that allow people to 1130 01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:41,730 even though Cooper was a black man, black man just waiting 1131 01:13:41,730 --> 01:13:43,320 for that one to pop up. Yeah, 1132 01:13:43,440 --> 01:13:47,430 I had to do it. While he was 1133 01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:51,480 and by the way, for people who are new to the show, Mo Do you 1134 01:13:51,480 --> 01:13:53,910 remember what episode that wasn't one of the early ones pre 1135 01:13:53,910 --> 01:13:54,360 20. 1136 01:13:54,540 --> 01:13:58,290 That was the color that was the color is my hours. I have to do 1137 01:13:58,290 --> 01:14:02,940 better about then. They weave in and out so much that it was it 1138 01:14:02,940 --> 01:14:07,500 was the colorism when I believed it, I laid that story out. But 1139 01:14:08,370 --> 01:14:11,940 um, yeah, so that was the that was the good Kennedy outdoor, 1140 01:14:11,970 --> 01:14:14,130 it's Hoover, you know, Hoover Hoover, the one who was 1141 01:14:14,130 --> 01:14:18,270 investigating Marcus Garvey and go down the list. You know, it 1142 01:14:18,270 --> 01:14:24,060 wasn't tweet Kennedy. Yeah, I mean, black people love JFK. 1143 01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:28,470 Seriously, I mean, my I mean, you could ask a lot of black 1144 01:14:28,470 --> 01:14:31,170 people where are you at with champion naked? They were they 1145 01:14:31,170 --> 01:14:34,650 were emotionally and psychologically impacted by, you 1146 01:14:34,650 --> 01:14:42,840 know, by his death. And actually Obama had a lot of remorse 1147 01:14:42,870 --> 01:14:44,160 reminded a lot of people 1148 01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:47,790 Kennedy and Kennedy, as we say, Kennedy esque features. 1149 01:14:48,150 --> 01:14:52,290 Yes, that's it. That's it. And just the way you carry yourself 1150 01:14:52,290 --> 01:14:54,390 with, you know, the wife and the kids and that kind of thing. 1151 01:14:54,390 --> 01:15:01,440 Very, very, very good politicians. But With that said, 1152 01:15:01,470 --> 01:15:05,250 I guess we could wrap up with Glen Ford and part four, 1153 01:15:05,489 --> 01:15:10,769 and it was a high profile management. So high profile 1154 01:15:10,769 --> 01:15:16,079 management that Malcolm X called it the Farsan, Washington and 1155 01:15:16,199 --> 01:15:21,599 railed constantly against those big six leaders, as he called 1156 01:15:21,599 --> 01:15:26,849 the Civil Rights pantheon of the time, allowing themselves to be 1157 01:15:26,849 --> 01:15:30,479 manipulated by the white Democrat in the White House and 1158 01:15:30,689 --> 01:15:34,649 allowing Kennedy to put the cream in the coffee, as Malcolm 1159 01:15:34,649 --> 01:15:35,339 used to put it, 1160 01:15:35,430 --> 01:15:39,450 whatever was judges their intent or motivation, where there's 1161 01:15:39,450 --> 01:15:42,420 some positive accomplishments of the Kennedy administration in 1162 01:15:42,420 --> 01:15:46,320 terms of either civil rights or social equality legislation. 1163 01:15:46,410 --> 01:15:50,970 Well, he did pass a modest, I believe it was by executive 1164 01:15:51,300 --> 01:15:59,010 order update of existing very modest civil rights apparatus, 1165 01:15:59,310 --> 01:16:05,310 but no, nothing substantial. He's usually credited with 1166 01:16:05,310 --> 01:16:12,270 creating the tone of cooperation, of non hostility 1167 01:16:12,990 --> 01:16:18,090 that would allow the Civil Rights forces to organize 1168 01:16:18,090 --> 01:16:22,530 without the federal government being a big obstacle so that the 1169 01:16:22,770 --> 01:16:27,990 effort could be concentrated on the real opposition downtown. 1170 01:16:31,440 --> 01:16:35,130 So if you notice, even the interviewer and I catch his 1171 01:16:35,130 --> 01:16:38,730 name, he tries to redeem Kennedy because this guy Glenn Ford, 1172 01:16:38,730 --> 01:16:41,880 just shot it. We shot him with the castle Canyon, basically. 1173 01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:47,820 Um, because he's like, wait, wait, wait, wait, Kennedy, we 1174 01:16:47,820 --> 01:16:51,450 got to save the imagery, you know, he's still a viable tool, 1175 01:16:51,540 --> 01:16:55,560 which I will say this knowledge just come to my mind. I haven't 1176 01:16:55,560 --> 01:17:01,290 seen Kennedy that much anymore. And you're good pilot. Cool. 1177 01:17:01,290 --> 01:17:01,530 Good 1178 01:17:01,530 --> 01:17:02,130 point. 1179 01:17:03,060 --> 01:17:06,540 Is it costly is problematic due to the women or people actually 1180 01:17:06,540 --> 01:17:09,900 no worries about due to race? I mean, cuz I mean, you used to 1181 01:17:09,990 --> 01:17:14,100 that was no, he was brought up every four years. And even 1182 01:17:14,100 --> 01:17:16,710 Presidents Day was more like about Kennedy, but you don't 1183 01:17:16,710 --> 01:17:18,300 hear much about him anymore. But 1184 01:17:18,300 --> 01:17:24,360 also did Obama really refer to Kennedy that much? No, I don't 1185 01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:28,080 think so. either. He might he was compared to him. But I think 1186 01:17:28,440 --> 01:17:32,070 perhaps the idea was to always to have to have a new Kennedy 1187 01:17:32,070 --> 01:17:37,200 and that's what Obama was supposed to be. Oh, swap 1188 01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:38,340 swap it out. Yeah, 1189 01:17:38,370 --> 01:17:41,430 yeah, it makes more sense chocolate Kennedy, Kennedy, 1190 01:17:41,460 --> 01:17:44,250 chocolate cover Kennedy and you got still alive. You know, we 1191 01:17:44,250 --> 01:17:47,040 can still parade them out and get them to do stuff for us. 1192 01:17:48,060 --> 01:17:53,850 Got it. Speaking of let's pick up where Glenn for left off and 1193 01:17:53,850 --> 01:17:57,630 he mentioned Malcolm X and the black coffee analogy with cream 1194 01:17:57,630 --> 01:17:59,880 so I guess let's go and listen to that clip. 1195 01:18:00,060 --> 01:18:03,690 It's just like when you got some coffee that's too black. Which 1196 01:18:03,690 --> 01:18:08,580 means it's too strong. What you do you integrate it with cream 1197 01:18:20,250 --> 01:18:26,970 make it weak. If you put too much cream in you won't even 1198 01:18:26,970 --> 01:18:33,000 know you ever had coffee. It used to be hot, it becomes cool. 1199 01:18:34,230 --> 01:18:40,410 It used to be strong it becomes weak. Used to wake you up to put 1200 01:18:40,410 --> 01:18:40,980 you to sleep 1201 01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:50,730 this is the point this is the danger of too much integration 1202 01:18:51,090 --> 01:18:55,920 because they become co opting. It's like yeah, let's come in on 1203 01:18:55,920 --> 01:19:00,270 now we're going to tell you how to run it. But one of the 1204 01:19:00,270 --> 01:19:04,860 greatest pieces of art that was used to push a narrative of 1205 01:19:04,860 --> 01:19:07,320 integration and we covered this before I think in the same 1206 01:19:07,350 --> 01:19:13,290 episode with no man no man in the house, but white flight that 1207 01:19:13,290 --> 01:19:19,500 was episode 14. Right? This is A Raisin in the Sun plot summary 1208 01:19:19,500 --> 01:19:19,980 one 1209 01:19:20,489 --> 01:19:23,789 in Lorraine Hansberry is Raisin in the Sun. A younger family of 1210 01:19:23,789 --> 01:19:27,569 five lives in a tiny dark infested apartment on Chicago's 1211 01:19:27,569 --> 01:19:33,779 South Side sometime between 1945 and the president of 1959. The 1212 01:19:33,779 --> 01:19:37,589 whole family eagerly awaits a $10,000 life insurance check for 1213 01:19:37,589 --> 01:19:40,919 the work related death of big Walter Mama's husband and the 1214 01:19:40,919 --> 01:19:45,029 family's patriarch Walter Lee younger, a dissatisfied 1215 01:19:45,029 --> 01:19:49,799 chauffeur in his mid 30s wants to invest in a liquor store. In 1216 01:19:49,799 --> 01:19:53,189 the introduction, he mentions news of another bombing and he 1217 01:19:53,189 --> 01:19:57,569 talks finances with his wife Ruth, Ruth and beneatha Walters 1218 01:19:57,569 --> 01:20:01,019 younger sister, both recognized mama The one in charge of the 1219 01:20:01,019 --> 01:20:05,549 insurance money. As the rising action begins, Walter tries to 1220 01:20:05,549 --> 01:20:08,489 convince her to finance his investment, but Mama's against 1221 01:20:08,489 --> 01:20:11,309 selling liquor. She wants to support beneath his plan to 1222 01:20:11,309 --> 01:20:13,979 attend medical school. She's also thinking about buying a 1223 01:20:13,979 --> 01:20:18,359 house. The family encourages beneatha to pursue her wealthy 1224 01:20:18,359 --> 01:20:22,079 suitor George Murchison, but beneath a find some shallow. 1225 01:20:22,649 --> 01:20:26,639 Another suitor Nigerian classmate, Joseph a soggy helps 1226 01:20:26,639 --> 01:20:31,049 beneath to explore her African heritage. The check arrives, and 1227 01:20:31,049 --> 01:20:35,429 Ruth reveals she's pregnant with an unplanned child. To Mama's 1228 01:20:35,429 --> 01:20:40,259 dismay, Ruth has scheduled an abortion. In the climax, Mama 1229 01:20:40,259 --> 01:20:42,839 uses part of the settlement money to make a down payment on 1230 01:20:42,839 --> 01:20:46,979 a house. Ruth is at first overjoyed, but then shocked to 1231 01:20:46,979 --> 01:20:49,739 learn the houses in Clyburn Park, a white neighborhood 1232 01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:59,310 lot to unpack in that clip. So we have this 1950s Play and it 1233 01:20:59,310 --> 01:21:04,080 ended up coming up becoming a movie. Sidney Poitier a Yeah, 1234 01:21:04,110 --> 01:21:07,260 play a very, very famous and just for a little inside 1235 01:21:07,260 --> 01:21:11,670 baseball, my dad actually played the role of Walter in a 1236 01:21:13,140 --> 01:21:16,350 rendition that the community center. And he made he went he 1237 01:21:16,350 --> 01:21:19,350 went all in on it. Like he did a great job. I gotta give him 1238 01:21:19,350 --> 01:21:22,680 credit on that. But that's why this story resonates with me so 1239 01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:25,530 much one, you got to look at it in that time, we're talking 1240 01:21:25,530 --> 01:21:29,670 about abortion. Yeah, we're talking about the the masculine 1241 01:21:29,670 --> 01:21:33,720 of the male figure. You're educating the woman. And 1242 01:21:34,170 --> 01:21:37,590 obviously Walter wanted to create his own own business. 1243 01:21:38,130 --> 01:21:40,860 He's like, Mom, let me open a liquor store. You know, she's 1244 01:21:40,860 --> 01:21:44,190 like, Nah, we want to invest in your sister education. Now fast 1245 01:21:44,190 --> 01:21:46,920 forward, we see the same thing. It's like, go get education, 1246 01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:50,820 don't start a business. And then we're gonna take the abortion 1247 01:21:50,820 --> 01:21:55,710 thing, which I'll pass on that. And then finally, is that oh, 1248 01:21:55,710 --> 01:21:59,760 yeah, we want to integrate. We want to go over to this this 1249 01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:05,520 area where nobody wants this. And this. This help with that. 1250 01:22:06,030 --> 01:22:10,410 casting of this spell of immigration will solve all our 1251 01:22:10,410 --> 01:22:10,980 problems, 1252 01:22:11,010 --> 01:22:14,100 which of course, it's exactly the opposite. 1253 01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:19,230 Yeah, let me let me kind of say something. One thing real quick. 1254 01:22:19,710 --> 01:22:23,580 When I say immigration, I'm talking about force. Yes. state 1255 01:22:23,580 --> 01:22:25,710 sanction immigration, I want to be clear 1256 01:22:25,739 --> 01:22:30,569 equality and equity, equality quotas, equity quotas, this is 1257 01:22:30,659 --> 01:22:31,889 the same thing. 1258 01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:36,540 Correct? Yes. Why are we going to bust you over here we need 1259 01:22:36,540 --> 01:22:39,840 to, if people want to be together, they're going to be 1260 01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:42,990 together, because we saw that from the route Rothstein clips, 1261 01:22:43,590 --> 01:22:47,010 that people that had to work together, they may actually live 1262 01:22:47,010 --> 01:22:49,410 closer to each other because they live close their their job. 1263 01:22:49,620 --> 01:22:51,630 This is really the community that way, it's 1264 01:22:51,630 --> 01:22:55,260 very important for for the times we live in right now, because no 1265 01:22:55,260 --> 01:23:01,020 one is looking at the record of integration. Forced 1266 01:23:01,020 --> 01:23:04,710 togetherness, let's just call it that way. And this is exactly 1267 01:23:04,710 --> 01:23:09,810 what Black Lives Matter and Inc, and the wokeness is calling for 1268 01:23:09,810 --> 01:23:13,740 is we need a quota, we need to have more black people, we have 1269 01:23:13,740 --> 01:23:17,550 to have so many brown people so many X, X, Y and Z in the 1270 01:23:17,550 --> 01:23:21,900 organization in the school in the in the neighborhood. 1271 01:23:23,700 --> 01:23:29,370 Right. And the thing is, I'm not even anti affirmative action. I 1272 01:23:29,370 --> 01:23:33,450 think that the way it's done is crazy, because one that was 1273 01:23:33,750 --> 01:23:37,140 really supposed to be a tangible for black people, so called 1274 01:23:37,140 --> 01:23:41,490 black people to make up for the ills of what happened pre 1275 01:23:41,490 --> 01:23:43,290 previous to that, but then it was hijacked. 1276 01:23:44,099 --> 01:23:47,309 Anyone who's a minority, I'm a minority, okay, you get 1277 01:23:47,309 --> 01:23:48,479 affirmative action, right? 1278 01:23:49,170 --> 01:23:52,650 And then to the problem, what I find with it is you shouldn't 1279 01:23:52,650 --> 01:23:56,820 lower the standards for certain groups. No, no, no, no, it 1280 01:23:56,820 --> 01:24:00,660 should be. If you want to do off population, this group is 13% of 1281 01:24:00,660 --> 01:24:06,420 the population, if you have 13% that meet the criteria, that the 1282 01:24:06,420 --> 01:24:12,270 other you know, was at 83 87% has to meet in fine, you should 1283 01:24:12,270 --> 01:24:17,010 leave those spots open. Because if you just do it by the sheer 1284 01:24:17,010 --> 01:24:21,540 mathematics, there should be 13% of their representation in that 1285 01:24:21,570 --> 01:24:25,770 you know, exactly qualified to represent them. Now, I don't I 1286 01:24:25,770 --> 01:24:31,320 don't I don't I am adamant about lower. I mean, I mean against 1287 01:24:31,710 --> 01:24:35,280 lowering the standards, because I Oh, you're black. Well, you 1288 01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:41,730 only need a 1200 an essay t what is that? I mean, really the most 1289 01:24:41,730 --> 01:24:46,350 pervasive form of racism that rises today, right there is the 1290 01:24:46,350 --> 01:24:51,630 lower expectations is the lower expectation that is a huge 1291 01:24:51,630 --> 01:24:52,230 problem. It's 1292 01:24:52,230 --> 01:24:56,040 the literal, literal definition of racism because it shows that 1293 01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:58,890 you think lower of that person by race. 1294 01:25:00,539 --> 01:25:04,649 And what it causes anxiety for people that actually earn their 1295 01:25:04,649 --> 01:25:08,309 cell wiring their way into their position. Me being one of them, 1296 01:25:08,639 --> 01:25:12,299 because now I had to prove myself that I belong here, you 1297 01:25:12,299 --> 01:25:16,079 would think it'd be the opposite but no, it's like when you walk 1298 01:25:16,079 --> 01:25:21,179 into a room and these spaces, and first thing people might 1299 01:25:21,179 --> 01:25:24,569 think is, oh, he's talking, you know, he, I don't know why he's 1300 01:25:24,569 --> 01:25:30,509 here. And no, I earned my way everywhere I went. And it's very 1301 01:25:30,509 --> 01:25:33,119 counterproductive when you have those lower standard. We'll do a 1302 01:25:33,119 --> 01:25:37,499 show on that. But I just want to show you that how this shaped 1303 01:25:37,499 --> 01:25:40,469 the minds of black people like oh, yeah, if we could just move 1304 01:25:40,469 --> 01:25:41,429 away from my own. 1305 01:25:41,850 --> 01:25:44,430 Right, everything. I think it'd be great. 1306 01:25:45,870 --> 01:25:49,710 Yeah, not not so much. But let's wrap up with the second part of 1307 01:25:49,710 --> 01:25:50,430 the plot summary, 1308 01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:54,120 Mrs. Johnson. The neighbor stops by excited for the youngers 1309 01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:57,600 move, but also scared of the violence the likely face from 1310 01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:01,860 Chicago is white folks. Walter stops going to work and he 1311 01:26:01,860 --> 01:26:05,910 drinks. When mama ceases deterioration, she gives him 1312 01:26:05,910 --> 01:26:09,150 control over the remainder of the money. She tells him to put 1313 01:26:09,150 --> 01:26:12,270 some aside for beneath his education, and to decide himself 1314 01:26:12,270 --> 01:26:15,900 what to do with the rest. We see an immediate change in Walter 1315 01:26:16,020 --> 01:26:19,770 and Ruth decides to keep her baby while the youngers 1316 01:26:19,770 --> 01:26:23,970 excitedly pack. Carl Lindner visits a white representative of 1317 01:26:23,970 --> 01:26:27,600 the Clyburn Park welcoming committee in the falling action 1318 01:26:27,630 --> 01:26:31,410 and uncomfortable but polite Lindner says he wants to start a 1319 01:26:31,410 --> 01:26:34,830 dialogue. But it's soon clear the neighborhood residents want 1320 01:26:34,830 --> 01:26:39,360 to buy back the House to prevent integration. Walter Ruth and 1321 01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:43,260 beneatha angrily reject the offer and ask Lindner to leave. 1322 01:26:44,070 --> 01:26:47,940 Soon after. Walters fellow investor Bobo reports that 1323 01:26:47,940 --> 01:26:50,850 Willie Harris has skipped town with their investment money. 1324 01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:55,890 Walters as well as beneath a share. And raged mama begins to 1325 01:26:55,890 --> 01:27:00,120 beat Walter. The family now in need of cash consider staying in 1326 01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:04,800 the apartment. And upbeat, hopeful a soggy debates the 1327 01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:08,700 possibility of progress with beneatha as I asked her to move 1328 01:27:08,700 --> 01:27:11,970 with him to Africa, to work with him to help improve the lives of 1329 01:27:11,970 --> 01:27:16,980 his people. at his lowest, Walter calls Carl Lindner to 1330 01:27:16,980 --> 01:27:21,240 accept the buyout beneath us ready to disown her brother. But 1331 01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:25,710 Mama insists Walter needs their love now more than ever. In the 1332 01:27:25,710 --> 01:27:29,160 resolution. Walter instead tells Lindner, they plan to move into 1333 01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:33,360 the house after all, as movers load the truck. Bonita says 1334 01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:36,810 she's thinking about going to Africa. Mama tells Ruth that 1335 01:27:36,810 --> 01:27:41,280 Walter has finally come into his manhood with hope, as well as 1336 01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:44,700 dark uncertainty about integration. The play closes 1337 01:27:44,700 --> 01:27:47,400 with the youngers vacating their apartment and going to their new 1338 01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:51,900 house. Yeah. 1339 01:27:54,180 --> 01:27:57,720 Yeah, this episode 14 is a good one, by the way, because this 1340 01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:00,570 was a clip thrown thrown back to that it's a good episode, listen 1341 01:28:00,570 --> 01:28:03,240 to it. They're all great, but I just remember how much I enjoyed 1342 01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:03,570 that one. 1343 01:28:04,649 --> 01:28:08,579 But this just reaffirmed even back in the 1950s, the black man 1344 01:28:08,579 --> 01:28:12,299 was the bottom of the bottom. Do you have who was supposed to be 1345 01:28:12,299 --> 01:28:16,589 the patriarch of the family? He's treated like a child. Yeah. 1346 01:28:17,579 --> 01:28:21,089 Even his mama beat him. It's like, like, and you know, he 1347 01:28:21,089 --> 01:28:23,009 couldn't do anything, right. And his sister was gonna be the 1348 01:28:23,009 --> 01:28:26,759 savior of the family. But this this, this play was written by a 1349 01:28:26,759 --> 01:28:31,109 huge feminist. But not going to go there. Well, I'm just saying 1350 01:28:31,109 --> 01:28:35,519 that these are the arts and we you start to see how Black Lives 1351 01:28:35,519 --> 01:28:40,289 Matter. Pink leadership was picked? It was Oh, yeah. These 1352 01:28:40,289 --> 01:28:42,509 are the kind of type of women we want to be. Yeah, these are the 1353 01:28:42,509 --> 01:28:45,419 type of women we want out front. It's the same thing. Who wrote 1354 01:28:45,419 --> 01:28:48,239 this? Who wrote this play? Yeah, these are the kinds of ideas we 1355 01:28:48,239 --> 01:28:55,979 want to push going into the 1960s. But fine, I mean, moving 1356 01:28:55,979 --> 01:29:02,219 on. We have Dr. Amos Wilson. He's very popular. He was very 1357 01:29:02,219 --> 01:29:05,459 popular on the black speaking circuit, the one I mentioned 1358 01:29:05,459 --> 01:29:08,789 before that happened in bookstores and, and things of 1359 01:29:08,789 --> 01:29:13,439 this nature and an author. And he's going to talk to he's the 1360 01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:16,619 title of this is assimilation and m s simulation and 1361 01:29:16,619 --> 01:29:20,189 multiculturalism. But what he's going to talk about is the power 1362 01:29:20,189 --> 01:29:21,299 of a fantasy 1363 01:29:21,900 --> 01:29:33,150 within the individual emotionally use an ideology, 1364 01:29:33,660 --> 01:29:42,120 which places the individual in places every survival in 1365 01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:47,400 question that you're dealing with an individual who has been 1366 01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:49,950 taken over and possessed by 1367 01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:55,080 to look at people in their ideologies, and look at what 1368 01:29:55,080 --> 01:30:04,530 place they are. The ideology The reality of this circumstances is 1369 01:30:04,530 --> 01:30:08,910 the kind of things we deal with the psychologist everyday people 1370 01:30:08,910 --> 01:30:16,530 who come in with fantasies and beliefs, viciously, ideologies. 1371 01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:23,130 And yet those fantasies, beliefs, ideologies are 1372 01:30:23,130 --> 01:30:28,350 depressing, destroy their families, make it impossible for 1373 01:30:28,350 --> 01:30:32,580 them to realize themselves and to achieve what they 1374 01:30:32,580 --> 01:30:39,090 potentialities would allow them to achieve. Where they are. His 1375 01:30:39,090 --> 01:30:42,630 games. Yeah, true words. 1376 01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:47,880 So what he said was it clip the clips a little bit his words off 1377 01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:50,850 because the things was taken off a VHS. And I want to say one 1378 01:30:50,850 --> 01:30:56,610 thing. This is why a platform like YouTube is so valuable, 1379 01:30:57,090 --> 01:31:00,210 because they allow people to upload these videos that were 1380 01:31:00,210 --> 01:31:05,040 taken back in the 1980s, early 80s, mid 80s. And, you know, be 1381 01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:08,340 recorded in history. If it wasn't for that, it'd be 1382 01:31:08,340 --> 01:31:13,170 probably on somebody's VHS tape VHS tape stashed away. So I want 1383 01:31:13,170 --> 01:31:15,660 to say that, but that's why I was little, that's why it was a 1384 01:31:15,660 --> 01:31:18,510 little choppy, I just want to find the clip quality. But what 1385 01:31:18,510 --> 01:31:22,290 he was saying was these people that are presents, his words, 1386 01:31:22,290 --> 01:31:28,650 not mine, possessed by these fantasies is very unhealthy. And 1387 01:31:28,650 --> 01:31:31,830 that's what you are you alluded to earlier that that's the 1388 01:31:31,830 --> 01:31:34,950 problem going on today. Because like, oh, you know, we need to, 1389 01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:39,720 you know, we have 4.3 black people, we need to have four 1390 01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:42,390 point 4.3 Black this or that, and that. And it's like, no, 1391 01:31:42,390 --> 01:31:45,750 that's not how it works. That's not reality. And when you try to 1392 01:31:45,750 --> 01:31:51,600 hit them with reality, or a logic, it's like, I don't know, 1393 01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:54,180 something is very jarring, very jarring 1394 01:31:54,210 --> 01:31:58,830 it just because it's embedded deep in the psyche. And I think 1395 01:31:58,830 --> 01:32:03,540 we come back to the social dilemma. Here's an example. I'll 1396 01:32:03,540 --> 01:32:08,700 tell ya, this is just my personal example. So I've been 1397 01:32:08,700 --> 01:32:12,120 looking at Coronavirus from day one. I've looked at all the 1398 01:32:12,120 --> 01:32:14,310 numbers, I've made my conclusions and you can listen 1399 01:32:14,310 --> 01:32:16,800 to me on a no agenda. And you know that I'm really not all 1400 01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:21,840 that worried about it. Certainly not now. So we have a big meet 1401 01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:25,680 up in Vegas tomorrow, and it's going to be 7580 people there. 1402 01:32:25,890 --> 01:32:29,190 And lo and behold, through my mind goes this still a thought 1403 01:32:29,190 --> 01:32:33,450 going? Oh crap. Will this be a super spreader event even though 1404 01:32:33,450 --> 01:32:37,890 I know the true numbers and the likelihood etc? Because I've 1405 01:32:37,890 --> 01:32:43,170 been inundated with stuff from the media. So yeah, it's toxic. 1406 01:32:43,170 --> 01:32:48,180 It's very. It's spells as you would say. 1407 01:32:49,830 --> 01:32:54,360 That is I mean, because what spells does is? It's magic in 1408 01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:59,880 one sense and magic. In another sense. Well, magic me in the 1409 01:33:00,930 --> 01:33:04,830 illusion, since we know that there's not a rabbit in that 1410 01:33:04,830 --> 01:33:05,160 hat. 1411 01:33:06,870 --> 01:33:07,860 Yes, true. 1412 01:33:09,149 --> 01:33:12,449 But when you see it done, it's like, wow. But how do you pull 1413 01:33:12,449 --> 01:33:16,109 that rabbit out? Not where did he get that rabbit from our 1414 01:33:16,109 --> 01:33:19,649 brain doesn't go there. I mean, for most people, it's just like, 1415 01:33:19,649 --> 01:33:22,079 wow, they caught up in the wow factor. And that's what you're 1416 01:33:22,079 --> 01:33:26,849 saying that these little things and even myself. That's why I go 1417 01:33:26,879 --> 01:33:30,479 on and off social media, I'll go check and see what's going on 1418 01:33:30,479 --> 01:33:36,299 and not come off of it. Because it has a sticking effect. Their 1419 01:33:36,329 --> 01:33:41,489 their tools are so powerful. Their narrative is so well. 1420 01:33:42,359 --> 01:33:46,529 Woven, that I go back to what the lady said, Now this is a 1421 01:33:46,529 --> 01:33:50,279 newscaster she understand how the media works. And she just 1422 01:33:50,279 --> 01:33:54,209 regurgitate verbatim what the guy had just came on and said, 1423 01:33:54,239 --> 01:33:58,079 Oh, 100 years we would we made progress 100 years earlier. And 1424 01:33:58,079 --> 01:34:00,899 she does verbatim in regard to takes it back to him. 1425 01:34:01,620 --> 01:34:05,670 Yeah, if I can, if I can, if I can interject, I have no belief 1426 01:34:05,670 --> 01:34:10,860 whatsoever that the news lady knows how hypnotizing the 1427 01:34:10,860 --> 01:34:15,480 messages or news is there. When I was at MTV, I wasn't thinking 1428 01:34:15,480 --> 01:34:19,650 about that at all. And we just deceived all the time for small 1429 01:34:19,650 --> 01:34:22,500 reasons. You don't know when you're part of the machine, you 1430 01:34:22,500 --> 01:34:23,280 don't realize it. 1431 01:34:24,120 --> 01:34:27,210 But is that even more of a sale? It's worse. 1432 01:34:29,250 --> 01:34:30,300 It's worse. Yeah. 1433 01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:35,250 Yes, they're there even either you can place it or a bigger 1434 01:34:35,250 --> 01:34:38,760 victim than the people in the general public. Is that a fair? 1435 01:34:38,820 --> 01:34:42,780 Yes. And that's why you see because you want to believe yes, 1436 01:34:42,930 --> 01:34:47,040 but that's why you see Cheryl as my son and and all these these 1437 01:34:47,070 --> 01:34:51,870 former news, readers, leaving starting podcasts because 1438 01:34:51,870 --> 01:34:54,210 they're disillusioned and they realize that they were part of 1439 01:34:54,210 --> 01:34:54,930 the problem. 1440 01:34:56,280 --> 01:35:03,180 Interesting. And that's why We do not pat ourselves on the back 1441 01:35:03,210 --> 01:35:07,140 as a public service. Because we don't come here to solve 1442 01:35:07,140 --> 01:35:12,450 problems or, or we are not come with solutions to things that 1443 01:35:12,450 --> 01:35:16,320 nature, what we do is say, hey, this, I'm gonna speak for 1444 01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:20,160 myself, I can't speak for you let people understand what both 1445 01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:25,230 sides are saying. And let them decide for yourself. That's all 1446 01:35:25,230 --> 01:35:27,780 I wanted. I don't want to sway anybody one way or the other. 1447 01:35:27,780 --> 01:35:30,930 But what you have to do is you have to one side is so good at 1448 01:35:30,930 --> 01:35:33,630 the narrative or the narrative, you're so strong, that you have 1449 01:35:33,630 --> 01:35:38,520 to spend more time digging that know, the core out, it's like, 1450 01:35:38,550 --> 01:35:42,000 we have to get to the core. So people can say, Okay, now 1451 01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:44,100 understand what that solder sounds stand with that solid 1452 01:35:44,100 --> 01:35:47,850 stand, and you use your own brain to figure out which side 1453 01:35:47,850 --> 01:35:51,600 you want to align with. And that's why I'm saying about 1454 01:35:51,750 --> 01:35:56,220 integration. Separate break was not even given a chance or a 1455 01:35:56,220 --> 01:35:58,290 choice, period. 1456 01:35:58,529 --> 01:36:03,449 So from from my perspective, of course, the stories and the the 1457 01:36:03,449 --> 01:36:08,249 narrative that I've heard and I was raised with, I'm I'm very 1458 01:36:08,249 --> 01:36:11,459 open, because of what I've been doing for the past 15 years, I'm 1459 01:36:11,459 --> 01:36:15,299 very open to other history, alternative histories or 1460 01:36:15,299 --> 01:36:18,989 histories that are not the same. So for me, as I'm coming here, 1461 01:36:19,019 --> 01:36:22,529 I'm here to listen, if I can, if I can tell you what my 1462 01:36:22,529 --> 01:36:26,849 experience was, or how I how I experienced something. But I 1463 01:36:26,849 --> 01:36:30,719 feel like this has been such a super education. And we are we 1464 01:36:30,719 --> 01:36:35,789 are following along with the nudge, or the spell of Malcolm 1465 01:36:35,789 --> 01:36:40,709 X. Who said this? Well, probably just before I was even born 1466 01:36:40,739 --> 01:36:41,189 first, the 1467 01:36:41,190 --> 01:36:44,430 white man and the black men have to be able to sit down at the 1468 01:36:44,430 --> 01:36:47,700 same table, the white man has to feel free to speak his mind 1469 01:36:47,700 --> 01:36:50,460 without hurting the feelings about negro. And the so called 1470 01:36:50,460 --> 01:36:53,490 Negro has to feel free to speak in the mind without hurting the 1471 01:36:53,490 --> 01:36:56,310 feeling of the white man, then they can bring the issue that 1472 01:36:56,310 --> 01:36:58,620 are under the rug or on top of the table and take an 1473 01:36:58,620 --> 01:37:01,140 intelligent approach to get the problem solved. That's the only 1474 01:37:01,140 --> 01:37:02,400 way we'll ever do it. 1475 01:37:02,549 --> 01:37:07,379 And that is exactly what it is. And I love playing that every 1476 01:37:07,379 --> 01:37:11,279 single time because he reminds me, it's about not triggering, 1477 01:37:11,279 --> 01:37:14,849 that's, it's not so much about, here's what I think, you know, I 1478 01:37:14,849 --> 01:37:17,819 need to be able to listen, you and you should not have to worry 1479 01:37:17,819 --> 01:37:22,289 for a second. Like when I was six years old, when we told the 1480 01:37:22,289 --> 01:37:25,859 story on one of the first shows, and my parents had colleagues of 1481 01:37:25,859 --> 01:37:30,779 theirs coming over and black family. And we were excited me 1482 01:37:30,779 --> 01:37:32,969 and my sister My sister was very, but I was excited like, 1483 01:37:32,999 --> 01:37:37,229 oh, this be cool. And, and you know, they showed up and you 1484 01:37:37,229 --> 01:37:41,039 know, suit and tie and wouldn't say anything and pay and we'd 1485 01:37:41,039 --> 01:37:46,709 both been screwed by parents. We both got some kind of story and 1486 01:37:46,709 --> 01:37:51,359 we never connected. Because you were to tell me oh, well, here's 1487 01:37:51,359 --> 01:37:53,819 what my mom would tell me just before we went in to see those 1488 01:37:53,819 --> 01:37:56,129 white folks. And here's how you don't embarrass me. 1489 01:37:56,910 --> 01:37:59,820 And then on the other side of that, I mean, just shot me right 1490 01:37:59,820 --> 01:38:03,090 there. Now you understand what the black family was going 1491 01:38:03,090 --> 01:38:04,920 through is like we don't want to seem like slum people. 1492 01:38:04,979 --> 01:38:09,149 Yes, of course. And it's the end. It's the stupidity of just 1493 01:38:09,149 --> 01:38:12,449 not being able to communicate. And so being worried, which is 1494 01:38:12,449 --> 01:38:15,809 one of the biggest problems with today's youth use with the youth 1495 01:38:16,109 --> 01:38:19,799 is triggering, make sure you don't trigger anybody, when 1496 01:38:19,799 --> 01:38:23,249 sometimes you just need to push through it to get down to 1497 01:38:23,249 --> 01:38:26,669 something so we can talk about stuff. And I'd like to talk 1498 01:38:26,669 --> 01:38:31,499 about our value for value model where we ask a simple question. 1499 01:38:32,039 --> 01:38:35,699 When you listen to moe facts with Adam curry, did you get any 1500 01:38:35,699 --> 01:38:39,359 value out of it? Whatever that was, we'd like you to put that 1501 01:38:39,359 --> 01:38:43,139 back in. Now it could be time talent, treasure, obviously, we 1502 01:38:43,139 --> 01:38:45,899 need to pay bills, there's a lot of work goes into certainly from 1503 01:38:45,899 --> 01:38:49,469 both sides. So we do appreciate it when people can consent some 1504 01:38:49,469 --> 01:38:54,029 value and it can be $1 can be $5, it does not matter because 1505 01:38:54,029 --> 01:38:56,819 that's valuable to you. So as long as you feel that you got 1506 01:38:56,819 --> 01:39:00,659 value of what you said back, then that's fine with us. And 1507 01:39:00,689 --> 01:39:03,509 we'd like to thank the people who supported the show for this 1508 01:39:03,509 --> 01:39:06,149 week. Now I have a is this a bladed from Miss J that we have 1509 01:39:06,149 --> 01:39:07,049 at the top here mo 1510 01:39:07,380 --> 01:39:12,930 please, please make good please, please may have felt Yeah, I 1511 01:39:12,930 --> 01:39:16,950 must say let me explain something to people that my 1512 01:39:16,950 --> 01:39:23,400 anxiety is to miss somebody's know when they get given value. 1513 01:39:24,300 --> 01:39:28,470 And this my anxiety came through with this one. She sent a note 1514 01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:31,350 and I didn't think too I searched out the names that were 1515 01:39:31,350 --> 01:39:37,320 in the in the donation hash yet associate Yeah, what was ever 1516 01:39:37,320 --> 01:39:40,560 associated with the Cash App and I missed her. So I was like, Ah, 1517 01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:44,730 I felt really really bad. So please, I will say this one 1518 01:39:44,730 --> 01:39:47,910 thing. I'll let you continue. If you don't have a note please, 1519 01:39:47,910 --> 01:39:51,900 right. No, no, yeah, because if not, I'm gonna dig, dig, dig and 1520 01:39:51,900 --> 01:39:55,980 it just takes us over the amount of time because I don't ever 1521 01:39:55,980 --> 01:39:59,040 want to forget anybody again, but if we do, we put you at the 1522 01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:02,220 very top of the list. We did Miss J 1523 01:40:02,519 --> 01:40:06,269 Yes Miss J So this goes back to September 20 She says please 1524 01:40:06,269 --> 01:40:10,919 accept my $100 Please accept my no donation for episode 50 And 1525 01:40:11,939 --> 01:40:17,279 wait a minute is this 50 How much is it the dollar 50 $50.50? 1526 01:40:18,119 --> 01:40:22,889 Yes. It goes towards 50 More episodes. I found you from the 1527 01:40:22,889 --> 01:40:27,959 Star Report. I guess that would make me a star mono row. Star 1528 01:40:27,959 --> 01:40:31,379 Report mo facts no agenda Rogen. Oh hey, we're sitting the people 1529 01:40:31,379 --> 01:40:34,349 over to Rogen. This is good. Could you put me in the birthday 1530 01:40:34,349 --> 01:40:37,049 list? Well, we don't really have a birthday list but we are happy 1531 01:40:37,049 --> 01:40:39,479 to celebrate your birthday and at a time which was September 1532 01:40:39,479 --> 01:40:43,559 30. And would definitely like some mo karma for me to meet my 1533 01:40:43,559 --> 01:40:47,519 future husband Yes Miss J we do future husband karma out of the 1534 01:40:47,519 --> 01:40:53,219 box plan Thank you very much. 1535 01:40:54,270 --> 01:40:56,820 Oh, wait, wait a minute is our birthday so we know everybody 1536 01:40:56,820 --> 01:40:59,280 gets on their birthday. Don't you have cars they always 1537 01:40:59,280 --> 01:41:04,500 give me a biscuit on my birthday. There you go. Nothing 1538 01:41:04,500 --> 01:41:09,990 like butter biscuit. Now moving on to our first executive 1539 01:41:09,990 --> 01:41:14,640 producer of episode number 51. This is from Kyle Dietz. 333 33 1540 01:41:14,730 --> 01:41:17,970 The magic numbers reigned supreme in the morning, mon Adam 1541 01:41:18,330 --> 01:41:21,330 been listening since episode one have not been paid, but have not 1542 01:41:21,330 --> 01:41:25,110 been paying my podcast support. Please de deadbeat me. 1543 01:41:27,149 --> 01:41:32,399 Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat. 1544 01:41:32,580 --> 01:41:36,810 I have wondered. Kyle continues what has brought the so called 1545 01:41:36,810 --> 01:41:39,360 black community to where it is today as the mainstream 1546 01:41:39,360 --> 01:41:42,690 narrative didn't quite make sense. I had heard pieces here 1547 01:41:42,690 --> 01:41:47,610 and there but your weekly Malcolm X in quotes, Malcolm X 1548 01:41:47,610 --> 01:41:50,820 talks have brought it together into cohesive narrative, which 1549 01:41:50,820 --> 01:41:55,410 makes so much more sense and can unite us instead of divide. Yes, 1550 01:41:55,710 --> 01:41:59,880 it's so and it turns out to be really easy. As long as you just 1551 01:41:59,880 --> 01:42:04,080 agree Hey, whatever I say don't get triggered by it and we were 1552 01:42:04,140 --> 01:42:07,080 we're old guys so we wouldn't get triggered by any stuff 1553 01:42:07,080 --> 01:42:10,230 anyway, but that's what it takes. I humbly request baby 1554 01:42:10,230 --> 01:42:14,070 making mo karma with a goat twist as my smokin hot wife and 1555 01:42:14,070 --> 01:42:19,380 I attempt to expand our family keep doing I presume this says 1556 01:42:19,380 --> 01:42:26,460 keep doing the work let me see us any more here I just lost it 1557 01:42:26,460 --> 01:42:28,530 here on the spreadsheet this is Excel does 1558 01:42:28,770 --> 01:42:32,250 keep doing the work thank you for your courage sir cow the 1559 01:42:32,250 --> 01:42:34,740 fearless Jedi Knight of the orange fleet. 1560 01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:43,530 Okay perfect. Yes of course we got some baby making mo karma mo 1561 01:42:43,530 --> 01:42:48,630 calm with that extra extra touch of goats can't go wrong with a 1562 01:42:48,630 --> 01:42:51,870 little bit of goat let me just expand my spreadsheet here again 1563 01:42:51,870 --> 01:42:58,290 there we go. Onward to serve Stokes in the sea. What is what 1564 01:42:58,290 --> 01:43:03,060 is his name here still Stokes in the oh my god, I'm sorry. I seem 1565 01:43:03,060 --> 01:43:11,610 to have unformatted everything unsuccessfully I got it sir 1566 01:43:11,610 --> 01:43:16,320 Stokes in the Plymouth Canalis Paladin. He began with Mo and 1567 01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:18,330 Adam wanted to share some personal and they just sent us 1568 01:43:18,330 --> 01:43:22,680 $250 Thank you. We want to share some personal experiences I 1569 01:43:22,680 --> 01:43:26,280 think could be relevant to the show always love this. I get 1570 01:43:26,280 --> 01:43:28,530 this as a bit of Warren Piece overs too long. Please don't 1571 01:43:28,530 --> 01:43:30,690 feel obligated to read on the show. Now we'll we'll go through 1572 01:43:30,690 --> 01:43:35,280 it. I'm about the same age as Adam and I am a white male. I 1573 01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:38,250 was reared through my formative years in Massachusetts up until 1574 01:43:38,250 --> 01:43:40,770 junior high. My family then moved to Kentucky where I 1575 01:43:40,770 --> 01:43:42,690 finished junior high and went through high school and 1576 01:43:42,690 --> 01:43:45,270 colleges. The transition period was when there was an emphasis 1577 01:43:45,270 --> 01:43:48,690 on American history and my education in Massachusetts being 1578 01:43:48,870 --> 01:43:52,800 a highly academia oriented state. Yes, MIT all kinds of 1579 01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:57,240 places. Harvard curriculum content for that age group was 1580 01:43:57,240 --> 01:43:59,880 about a year or two ahead of the same group in Kentucky. As a 1581 01:43:59,880 --> 01:44:02,220 result, I went through the teachings of American history 1582 01:44:02,220 --> 01:44:04,740 from two perspectives, which turned out to be quite different 1583 01:44:04,740 --> 01:44:08,220 and quite enlightening. In Massachusetts, I was taught that 1584 01:44:08,220 --> 01:44:11,610 narrative. I love how people are using the term narrative a lot 1585 01:44:11,610 --> 01:44:14,910 today, I was taught that perfect. I was taught the 1586 01:44:14,910 --> 01:44:17,760 narrative that we hear in media today where Lincoln was the 1587 01:44:17,760 --> 01:44:21,120 savior of the slaves. Interestingly, interestingly, in 1588 01:44:21,120 --> 01:44:23,850 Kentucky, I was taught much more of what Moe was sharing in 1589 01:44:23,850 --> 01:44:26,970 Episode 50, which I think is more factually accurate. This 1590 01:44:26,970 --> 01:44:29,160 may seem somewhat counterintuitive, as you might 1591 01:44:29,160 --> 01:44:33,240 expect the south to spin story with contrary but similar bias 1592 01:44:33,240 --> 01:44:36,660 versus what the North shared. The at least what I perceive of 1593 01:44:36,690 --> 01:44:39,900 less biased view, may be partially due to the fact that 1594 01:44:39,900 --> 01:44:43,500 Kentucky was somewhat of somewhat of a cusp state in the 1595 01:44:43,500 --> 01:44:46,260 Civil War period as opposed to being considered a true southern 1596 01:44:46,260 --> 01:44:49,650 state. A perspective that lives on with many identify slash 1597 01:44:49,650 --> 01:44:52,830 discuss the southern states even today. We're Kentucky is 1598 01:44:52,830 --> 01:44:56,460 frequently omitted from the list there the one thing that stuck 1599 01:44:56,460 --> 01:44:59,370 with me says I've continued to monitor is how the appropriation 1600 01:44:59,370 --> 01:45:03,150 of words and symbols to shapes, symbols to shape people's 1601 01:45:03,150 --> 01:45:06,450 thinking is so manipulative, yes, politically motivated. It's 1602 01:45:06,450 --> 01:45:08,850 always been troubling to me. But I think it's important for 1603 01:45:08,850 --> 01:45:10,950 people to recognize now he goes through a whole bunch of 1604 01:45:10,950 --> 01:45:14,010 examples, which would really take quite a long time. But 1605 01:45:14,010 --> 01:45:18,090 luckily, he gave us room to edit. So I'm going to edit to 1606 01:45:18,090 --> 01:45:22,530 when he says, this is a long winded way to say thanks for the 1607 01:45:22,530 --> 01:45:25,410 content, you're sharing monad and much like no agenda, it 1608 01:45:25,410 --> 01:45:28,290 confirms the perspectives I've held based on my own experiences 1609 01:45:28,290 --> 01:45:31,320 aren't crazy as the media would have one belief. And you're so 1610 01:45:31,320 --> 01:45:34,800 right. And I feel this too. It's opened my eyes to additional 1611 01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:37,830 contemporary things that aligned to what I've learned in my youth 1612 01:45:37,830 --> 01:45:40,860 in overtime. It's healthy. And I've asked my children now about 1613 01:45:40,860 --> 01:45:46,560 most age I don't think I could have been your dad Mo. He, I 1614 01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:50,070 think, I think he's putting me at a much, much older bracket, 1615 01:45:50,070 --> 01:45:51,570 but I, I appreciate it. 1616 01:45:53,370 --> 01:45:56,190 Hey, maybe your children's 1617 01:45:56,399 --> 01:46:00,209 maybe most children at your children's age. Anyway, I've 1618 01:46:00,209 --> 01:46:04,229 asked my children to listen to a couple of specific episodes in 1619 01:46:04,229 --> 01:46:06,689 hopes that it will admit them open their eyes wider and 1620 01:46:06,689 --> 01:46:09,329 ideally help them understand more of the foundation that 1621 01:46:09,329 --> 01:46:12,839 leads to meet having many of my perspectives, this all being in 1622 01:46:12,839 --> 01:46:15,839 stark contrast to what they're being taught in academia in 1623 01:46:16,019 --> 01:46:19,949 Massholes. Yes, I've relocated back and forth for the family 1624 01:46:19,949 --> 01:46:23,429 reasons over those vassals, I like that. Thank you very much. 1625 01:46:23,549 --> 01:46:26,369 Do you both keep up the great work, please. Debt meet. 1626 01:46:28,290 --> 01:46:33,330 Congratulations. You're no longer a dead bee and 1627 01:46:33,330 --> 01:46:37,320 his show lineage is MTB, PC Magazine, daily source code twit 1628 01:46:37,320 --> 01:46:40,710 cranky geeks no agenda, Rogen mo facts and good luck. He says 1629 01:46:40,710 --> 01:46:43,830 with that acronym I'm not even going to try. And he says Wait, 1630 01:46:43,830 --> 01:46:44,160 wait, wait, 1631 01:46:44,160 --> 01:46:51,060 wait, wait, wait, wait. Did you just do that on the fly? What 1632 01:46:51,060 --> 01:46:52,110 show lineage? 1633 01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:56,910 No, he says it right here in his note. I like that. It's good, 1634 01:46:56,910 --> 01:46:58,320 isn't it? Yeah, 1635 01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:03,210 it's the show. What's your show lineage? Yeah, you can see you 1636 01:47:03,210 --> 01:47:03,960 I'm sorry about that. 1637 01:47:03,990 --> 01:47:06,480 You got the right show lineage, you might qualify for 1638 01:47:06,480 --> 01:47:10,170 reparations down the line. So this is very good for anything 1639 01:47:10,170 --> 01:47:13,560 that might have bothered you. MTV PC mag. Gotcha. And he adds 1640 01:47:13,560 --> 01:47:16,200 a note by the way, Mo love your approach to what are you doing 1641 01:47:16,200 --> 01:47:19,500 about it? I embrace a similar philosophy starting with the 1642 01:47:19,500 --> 01:47:22,470 kids then expand from there as possible. Your show is 1643 01:47:22,470 --> 01:47:24,990 meaningful and important contribution to that and we 1644 01:47:24,990 --> 01:47:28,320 thank you very much, man. That's that's perfect. Perfect, 1645 01:47:28,320 --> 01:47:34,620 perfect. Perfect. Then we go to Stephanie Gillette $100. So I 1646 01:47:34,620 --> 01:47:37,500 hope that this node finds you well along with mine and my 1647 01:47:37,500 --> 01:47:40,800 husband's $100 donation. We are no agenda listeners turn mo 1648 01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:43,500 facts listeners. The information provided on the show has been 1649 01:47:43,530 --> 01:47:47,520 eye opening and at times mind blowing. Yeah, I feel just as 1650 01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:52,170 privileged to be here myself. Thank you for taking the time to 1651 01:47:52,170 --> 01:47:55,110 break down and Opal and discuss these complex topics. As a white 1652 01:47:55,110 --> 01:47:58,050 female. I have longed to better understand racism from the 1653 01:47:58,050 --> 01:48:01,530 viewpoint of my Athos, brothers and sisters and gain insight as 1654 01:48:01,530 --> 01:48:03,720 to what it is that they seek from the white community. Your 1655 01:48:03,720 --> 01:48:06,660 discussion on reparations and racism today have been extremely 1656 01:48:06,660 --> 01:48:10,080 helpful. Sadly, as someone living in the Deep South, these 1657 01:48:10,080 --> 01:48:13,560 discussions are not easy to come by or have thanks for taking a 1658 01:48:13,560 --> 01:48:16,350 step in the right direction I pray our nation can heal from 1659 01:48:16,350 --> 01:48:19,890 our wounds and unite once again. I'll take a moment for myself my 1660 01:48:19,890 --> 01:48:23,640 smoking on husband and our for human resources of the Caucasian 1661 01:48:23,640 --> 01:48:26,700 variety. Keep up the fantastic work and may the Lord bless you 1662 01:48:26,700 --> 01:48:29,580 and keep you and thank you very much. Stephanie and your smoker, 1663 01:48:29,580 --> 01:48:31,770 not husband that's highly appreciated here comes to mow 1664 01:48:31,770 --> 01:48:37,890 karma. You've got Mocha, and I feel that from what I've 1665 01:48:37,890 --> 01:48:42,090 understood from a lot of parents of all colors and races is the 1666 01:48:42,090 --> 01:48:44,670 best way is to take your kids on a long drive that they're 1667 01:48:44,670 --> 01:48:47,640 excited to go someplace and then lock them in the car and play a 1668 01:48:47,640 --> 01:48:52,890 couple episodes it seems to work really well. $100 from EIT Why 1669 01:48:52,890 --> 01:48:58,140 bro Inc. No Note that we can see also $100 from Adam Choi, who 1670 01:48:58,140 --> 01:49:02,730 says Adam and Mo Romo cult member came from Rogan no agenda 1671 01:49:02,730 --> 01:49:05,400 mo facts here to pay tribute not long after listening to the 1672 01:49:05,400 --> 01:49:08,400 Kanye episode, I came across some discussion on the 1673 01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:11,310 censorship and suppression of Kanye is recent music video for 1674 01:49:11,310 --> 01:49:15,240 his song wash us in the blood. While the music video is highly 1675 01:49:15,240 --> 01:49:18,030 controversial and teeming with provocative footage and 1676 01:49:18,030 --> 01:49:20,520 symbolism there seems to be a concerted effort to suppress the 1677 01:49:20,520 --> 01:49:24,300 video by YouTube. The videos been age restrict history 1678 01:49:24,330 --> 01:49:29,010 restricted. Well, cardi B's Whap is not. The view count has been 1679 01:49:29,010 --> 01:49:31,890 frozen at about 9 million views for two weeks now. And many 1680 01:49:31,890 --> 01:49:34,740 people who watch a lot of videos about Kanye and Travis Scott 1681 01:49:34,740 --> 01:49:36,840 couldn't find this video and their recommendations or 1682 01:49:36,840 --> 01:49:40,350 sidebar. They had to manually search for it. Well, I'd love to 1683 01:49:40,350 --> 01:49:42,960 hear and analysis of all the symbolism and references in the 1684 01:49:42,960 --> 01:49:45,960 song I wanted to first bring up the controversy surrounding the 1685 01:49:45,960 --> 01:49:49,170 video. I rewatched that interview where Kanye goes on 1686 01:49:49,200 --> 01:49:51,960 Kanye goes on a rant about woke culture and he says I've been 1687 01:49:51,960 --> 01:49:55,290 killed so many times. And this seems like yet another attempt 1688 01:49:55,290 --> 01:49:58,020 at either have you heard about the issue? Also, can I get a D 1689 01:49:58,020 --> 01:50:02,970 deadbeat and the Pelosi try On Pelosi jobs combo, you are 1690 01:50:02,970 --> 01:50:05,550 crossing over on that, but I think we can do that and they 1691 01:50:05,550 --> 01:50:05,970 see. 1692 01:50:06,330 --> 01:50:11,550 Congratulations. You're no longer dead. The Do you 1693 01:50:11,550 --> 01:50:15,990 want to? Well, I find the Pelosi Trump jobs karma. Sure. 1694 01:50:17,010 --> 01:50:19,890 I'm gonna say it's so suppressed. I haven't even heard 1695 01:50:19,890 --> 01:50:26,010 this video. Really? That's yet really that's why I'm like, 1696 01:50:26,040 --> 01:50:30,510 What? What video? Yeah, I'm gonna have to go look at that 1697 01:50:30,510 --> 01:50:34,410 because, I mean, I have a lot of Kanye on my playlist and it 1698 01:50:34,410 --> 01:50:37,500 shouldn't be recommended you would think me especially when 1699 01:50:40,170 --> 01:50:42,870 that should be something which to be suggested to me. I think 1700 01:50:42,870 --> 01:50:47,070 I'm at the right age level. Yeah, age level and interest. So 1701 01:50:47,160 --> 01:50:48,990 yeah, that definitely suppressing this. 1702 01:50:49,439 --> 01:50:54,239 But that's also that's also weird because you're a Kanye 1703 01:50:54,749 --> 01:51:00,779 aficionado. You follow him and so Wow, well, I didn't want I 1704 01:51:00,779 --> 01:51:03,269 want a full report next time I wanted I haven't seen 1705 01:51:03,630 --> 01:51:06,750 had to go look it up. So this show is over. What's going on? 1706 01:51:07,320 --> 01:51:09,000 All right, it might be another rabbit hole. 1707 01:51:09,120 --> 01:51:10,590 Here you go. Adam joy, 1708 01:51:10,620 --> 01:51:17,790 jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. 1709 01:51:19,380 --> 01:51:23,190 There you go. And thank you very much for supporting the show and 1710 01:51:23,190 --> 01:51:29,340 Neiman $100 as well. No notes storm Williams. $100 Thank you, 1711 01:51:29,340 --> 01:51:33,300 Adam and Moe, you're really helping people. Hate You people 1712 01:51:33,300 --> 01:51:36,900 got to do the work. You got to propagate the formula. And that 1713 01:51:36,930 --> 01:51:40,650 is I yeah, that is our last executive producer for episode 1714 01:51:40,650 --> 01:51:44,880 number 51. Now we go to our Associate Executive producers at 1715 01:51:45,390 --> 01:51:50,190 $52 we have da Slama the God who says I made a clerical error 1716 01:51:50,190 --> 01:51:53,970 last episode and did $49 club member donation to Episode 50 1717 01:51:54,210 --> 01:51:57,390 Because my pod player didn't show episode 50 When I returned 1718 01:51:57,390 --> 01:52:00,210 the value I thought about getting $1 to compensate but 1719 01:52:00,210 --> 01:52:02,340 didn't want to burden the team of accountants in the back 1720 01:52:02,340 --> 01:52:06,270 office. So here's an extra dollar for show 51 The show 15 1721 01:52:07,230 --> 01:52:11,640 To do a club number club member to make up for my error. Don't 1722 01:52:11,640 --> 01:52:15,270 worry it will make you whole on the back end okay, we have no 1723 01:52:15,270 --> 01:52:18,630 problem with you DH Slammer the God we got it you're in. You're 1724 01:52:18,630 --> 01:52:23,490 an episode number member for sure. And thanks to Joe Badri. 1725 01:52:24,300 --> 01:52:29,250 $51.80 mo Adam, thank you for helping me do the work. Beyond 1726 01:52:29,250 --> 01:52:31,980 my history learnings. Well, that's beyond your history. It's 1727 01:52:31,980 --> 01:52:35,700 pretty much all the work. Episode 50 was a real eye opener 1728 01:52:35,790 --> 01:52:39,000 about what I had missed out in my education. I appreciate the 1729 01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:41,400 lessons. I've already hit a friend in the mouth and would 1730 01:52:41,400 --> 01:52:44,250 appreciate mo karma and a deed debt beating love and light, 1731 01:52:44,250 --> 01:52:44,940 Says Joe. 1732 01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:54,600 Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat. You've got 1733 01:52:58,740 --> 01:53:03,510 $61 from please call me Jake. I will call you Jake. All the 1734 01:53:03,510 --> 01:53:06,510 episodes have been informative and educational, he writes. But 1735 01:53:06,510 --> 01:53:10,020 I have had to go to Home Depot to buy extra tarps for these 1736 01:53:10,020 --> 01:53:16,200 last few. Keep it up and I'm going to find out how to buy 1737 01:53:16,200 --> 01:53:21,330 stock in the blue tarp company. Thank you, Jane. Very, very 1738 01:53:21,330 --> 01:53:26,760 entertaining. Then we go to Joshua Jackson and Joshua 1739 01:53:26,760 --> 01:53:30,150 Jackson Jackson $51. So another episode club membership. 1740 01:53:30,480 --> 01:53:34,320 Gentlemen, excellent show. Can I get a D deadbeat please? Yes, of 1741 01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:34,920 course you can. 1742 01:53:36,720 --> 01:53:41,730 Congratulation, you're no longer dead. The 1743 01:53:42,389 --> 01:53:46,109 second question was episode 50. The season one finale or the 1744 01:53:46,109 --> 01:53:49,949 season two premiere? Well, the answer to that is yes. Episode 1745 01:53:49,949 --> 01:53:54,179 50. Yet two hours, 30 minutes 30 seconds. Mo brings up the 1746 01:53:54,179 --> 01:53:57,389 welfare state and no man in the house. Been around since the 1747 01:53:57,389 --> 01:54:01,349 40s 50s and 60s and no one is asking, how do we get men back 1748 01:54:01,349 --> 01:54:04,919 in the house? MO You suggested the possibility that the powers 1749 01:54:04,919 --> 01:54:09,029 that be don't want a man in the home as it feeds to the prison 1750 01:54:09,209 --> 01:54:12,449 industrial complex. I'd like to suggest an alternative 1751 01:54:12,449 --> 01:54:18,029 possibility. In 2020 men and women and women men can can give 1752 01:54:18,029 --> 01:54:20,549 birth to children, biological men and young women are 1753 01:54:20,549 --> 01:54:23,879 participating in women's sports and so on. Any objection to any 1754 01:54:23,879 --> 01:54:27,329 of these views is hate speech. Is it now transphobic 1755 01:54:27,329 --> 01:54:30,659 transphobic to or to suggest that a child needs a man in the 1756 01:54:30,659 --> 01:54:33,989 home or they need a father in their life? Well, I wouldn't say 1757 01:54:33,989 --> 01:54:38,039 it's transphobic. But for short, it's being pushed against hard. 1758 01:54:38,789 --> 01:54:41,819 No one could have known it in the 40s when they push men out 1759 01:54:41,819 --> 01:54:44,729 of the home that 80 years later we'd be redefining what it means 1760 01:54:44,729 --> 01:54:48,989 to be a man woman Father, have the less views on gender and 1761 01:54:48,989 --> 01:54:51,989 trans issues painted themselves into a corner where they cannot 1762 01:54:51,989 --> 01:54:55,199 advocate for a man in the home lest they be labeled transphobic 1763 01:54:55,199 --> 01:54:58,889 or sexist. Josh Jackson. I'll take that Josh. I'll answer 1764 01:54:58,889 --> 01:55:02,459 that. No I don't think that's the problem at all. They 1765 01:55:02,459 --> 01:55:06,239 literally do not want men in the homes to this day and they don't 1766 01:55:06,239 --> 01:55:10,409 want men in the movement and they don't want men anywhere but 1767 01:55:10,409 --> 01:55:15,899 apparently shutting up or as a as a martyr symbol. How do I do 1768 01:55:15,899 --> 01:55:16,229 mo 1769 01:55:23,370 --> 01:55:28,170 feel much better now. And there is dh Slammer the God was $51 1770 01:55:28,170 --> 01:55:31,950 That's his show club donation so he's all over the place we love 1771 01:55:31,950 --> 01:55:35,670 you thank you for your support DH Slammer the god $51 from 1772 01:55:35,670 --> 01:55:39,330 Shane McLaughlin McLaughlin Hey Mo and Adam new listen to the 1773 01:55:39,330 --> 01:55:41,850 show discovered in September around the time I found no 1774 01:55:41,850 --> 01:55:44,010 agenda by the time you read this, I should be freshly 1775 01:55:44,010 --> 01:55:47,700 deduced. This will be my first date donation of many so please 1776 01:55:47,700 --> 01:55:48,720 D deadbeat mate. 1777 01:55:50,280 --> 01:55:55,320 Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat. 1778 01:55:55,349 --> 01:55:58,379 I really appreciate all the work you guys do as a white male from 1779 01:55:58,379 --> 01:56:02,429 rural Western Pennsylvania I can only learn to understand the 1780 01:56:02,429 --> 01:56:05,759 quote seek to understand then to be understood that most said a 1781 01:56:05,759 --> 01:56:08,699 couple episodes back has really stuck with me. Thank you guys 1782 01:56:08,699 --> 01:56:11,279 again for everything you do and we'll continue to do can I get 1783 01:56:11,279 --> 01:56:14,489 some more karma please keep doing the work and stay safe out 1784 01:56:14,489 --> 01:56:18,179 there. Shane McLaughlin from the rural outskirts of Pennsylvania. 1785 01:56:18,179 --> 01:56:23,069 Yes, of course. We got some karma for you. You've got mocha 1786 01:56:26,760 --> 01:56:31,800 Yes, Ma, and that is not my quote. That is Kobe drum Seven 1787 01:56:31,800 --> 01:56:34,470 Habits of Highly Effective People, which people should 1788 01:56:34,470 --> 01:56:35,610 definitely try to incorporate. 1789 01:56:35,910 --> 01:56:39,090 Very, and that's a good read to you can get software for it and 1790 01:56:39,090 --> 01:56:45,060 everything's fantastic. Right. $51 another club member for John 1791 01:56:45,060 --> 01:56:49,020 Taylor says making me feel it's time for reparations. And he's 1792 01:56:49,020 --> 01:56:51,690 got some emojis there that didn't translate into the 1793 01:56:51,690 --> 01:56:54,930 spreadsheet, but I'm sure they were good. Kurt Collins 1794 01:56:54,930 --> 01:57:00,750 5150 5051 I'm sorry. Peace and love from Kurt and Jen. 1795 01:57:00,780 --> 01:57:03,990 Congratulations on Season One success. 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Throw this into the give blacks guns 1805 01:57:42,450 --> 01:57:46,170 fund I started the show at number 32 But did the work and 1806 01:57:46,170 --> 01:57:48,510 went back to the start and caught all the episodes this is 1807 01:57:48,510 --> 01:57:51,180 truly the Lord's work to do and here wish it was mandatory 1808 01:57:51,180 --> 01:57:54,510 listening in schools keep up the outstanding efforts the country 1809 01:57:54,540 --> 01:57:57,360 now really the world needs you to keep this going. Thank you 1810 01:57:57,360 --> 01:58:00,540 both. I'm off to find some butter biscuits right now. Oh 1811 01:58:00,540 --> 01:58:02,730 does that mean he wants to butter biscuit kids we could get 1812 01:58:03,420 --> 01:58:05,700 we could give him a butter biscuit. They always give me a 1813 01:58:05,700 --> 01:58:09,480 biscuit on my birthday. 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Keep 1843 02:00:13,380 --> 02:00:16,440 up the good work. And thank you for your courage and for opening 1844 02:00:16,440 --> 02:00:23,010 our eyes here. Curtis Thomas came in twice with 1987. And he 1845 02:00:23,010 --> 02:00:27,360 says he had professors Moe and Adam, your show has become very 1846 02:00:27,360 --> 02:00:30,060 important to me on a personal level, I find you're telling my 1847 02:00:30,060 --> 02:00:33,510 family history in a sense, at least my dad's side. I'm a das 1848 02:00:33,510 --> 02:00:36,300 only on one half but I've always rooted for the underdog, so to 1849 02:00:36,300 --> 02:00:39,690 speak. One comment I will make. From what I can tell you guys 1850 02:00:39,690 --> 02:00:43,260 have strived to be cleaned language wise, I so appreciate 1851 02:00:43,260 --> 02:00:45,660 that. Because I really want to just play these episodes for my 1852 02:00:45,660 --> 02:00:48,930 kids, I would humbly ask you to try even harder to keep the 1853 02:00:48,930 --> 02:00:52,530 language clean in order to open this content up to a wider and 1854 02:00:52,530 --> 02:00:56,340 younger audience. Blessings to both of you and the entire Mofaz 1855 02:00:56,340 --> 02:00:58,800 community. I'm a little dry right now financially, but you 1856 02:00:58,800 --> 02:01:02,220 guys have a lot more coming for me love from Thomas fan from the 1857 02:01:02,220 --> 02:01:05,610 Thomas family in Missouri. You're absolutely right, Curtis, 1858 02:01:05,700 --> 02:01:08,790 I cannot be sitting here and saying you need to use it for 1859 02:01:08,790 --> 02:01:12,420 homeschooling. When I'm the one that is costing the most. I will 1860 02:01:12,450 --> 02:01:15,180 do the work even better. I apologize for that. And I think 1861 02:01:15,180 --> 02:01:18,960 I said it here in this episode too. 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Of course, I've 1872 02:01:57,930 --> 02:02:00,990 learned so much now it's whatever. Again, the value is 1873 02:02:00,990 --> 02:02:04,590 whatever you've got whatever this is, clearly $10 is valuable 1874 02:02:04,590 --> 02:02:09,120 to you. That's all we care about. That's what just put the 1875 02:02:09,120 --> 02:02:12,000 value that you felt for this show. Or whatever you learned 1876 02:02:12,000 --> 02:02:15,570 whatever. Whatever you got out of it. Robert O'Donnell Exactly. 1877 02:02:15,750 --> 02:02:19,290 $10 Fantastic show always blowing my mind appreciate you 1878 02:02:19,320 --> 02:02:23,400 doing the work. Kevin salg $5. 1879 02:02:24,990 --> 02:02:28,470 Airbnb King on Insta told me to send this to you. He said no 1880 02:02:28,470 --> 02:02:31,050 shout out whatever that means. Oh, this is a pass through. I 1881 02:02:31,050 --> 02:02:35,550 like that. It's just like, that's, that's a way to do it. 1882 02:02:35,550 --> 02:02:38,250 And Terry Keller, I think is coming before with 411. 1883 02:02:39,060 --> 02:02:43,110 All the time, every single shine number four one. Yeah. Well, 1884 02:02:43,439 --> 02:02:47,759 we're getting we're given the 411. And that concludes our all 1885 02:02:47,759 --> 02:02:51,809 of our supporters for episode number 51 of Mo facts with Adam 1886 02:02:51,809 --> 02:02:56,129 curry. And thank you so much. It's beautiful to see. To see 1887 02:02:56,129 --> 02:02:59,369 everyone supporting the show and supporting the work and doing 1888 02:02:59,369 --> 02:03:02,969 the work themselves. And really when you send those notes about 1889 02:03:02,969 --> 02:03:07,079 how it's impacted you or your family or your life, it that's I 1890 02:03:07,079 --> 02:03:10,619 would say that's what my when I talk about the most offline Yep, 1891 02:03:10,739 --> 02:03:14,609 it's like Mankey believes this. Something's actually it's we're 1892 02:03:14,609 --> 02:03:17,189 making some kind of difference. It's it start 1893 02:03:17,190 --> 02:03:21,180 and not start. And not only them, but they want their kids 1894 02:03:21,180 --> 02:03:25,530 to hear us, which that is. That's mind blowing. I'm blown 1895 02:03:25,530 --> 02:03:28,380 away by that. And I'll say this, if somebody wants to do some 1896 02:03:28,380 --> 02:03:34,020 value and make some claim edits of our show that will no, we 1897 02:03:34,020 --> 02:03:37,140 can't go back in time machine and correct. We were saying 1898 02:03:37,140 --> 02:03:39,870 anything that may be out there, but maybe some goodbye can do a 1899 02:03:39,870 --> 02:03:41,430 value of that 1900 02:03:41,460 --> 02:03:45,720 or even better in that way. How about this, if you if you catch 1901 02:03:45,720 --> 02:03:49,020 it if you catch one that, like in this episode, I don't know 1902 02:03:49,020 --> 02:03:53,220 where it was right down the time code, send it to me and I'll 1903 02:03:53,250 --> 02:03:55,980 I'll do a re edit and I can re edit all these and put them back 1904 02:03:55,980 --> 02:04:01,290 up? I wouldn't mind. Yeah, yeah, that's important to me. Because, 1905 02:04:02,310 --> 02:04:06,330 well, exactly what you said, This is it. We need this to be 1906 02:04:06,330 --> 02:04:10,710 able to be taught in school. And even though I find a lot of the 1907 02:04:10,710 --> 02:04:14,940 things that you might hear in clips, a lot more offensive. And 1908 02:04:15,150 --> 02:04:17,880 then the cuss words. I appreciate it, and I understand 1909 02:04:17,880 --> 02:04:20,760 it, and I will do much better with that. 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That is Mo fund me.com moefundme.com And thank 1917 02:04:53,700 --> 02:04:57,930 you all again once again for supporting us here mo facts with 1918 02:04:57,930 --> 02:04:58,530 Adam curry. 1919 02:05:01,680 --> 02:05:04,650 So I know I've harped a lot about on the sentiment that 1920 02:05:04,920 --> 02:05:07,860 people want it separate but equal, or there's a good portion 1921 02:05:07,860 --> 02:05:10,920 of people that want to separate but equal. Now I need to put up 1922 02:05:10,920 --> 02:05:14,700 or shut up. So I room ready to put up. All right, I have these 1923 02:05:14,700 --> 02:05:17,760 clips from a couple of gentlemen. And then a couple of 1924 02:05:17,760 --> 02:05:20,010 leaders followed, understand following the gentleman 1925 02:05:20,010 --> 02:05:24,120 speaking. And one of them is this. The first gentleman is a 1926 02:05:24,120 --> 02:05:27,000 teacher from Farmville, Virginia. And he's going to 1927 02:05:27,000 --> 02:05:31,770 speak about his specific experiences with the Board of 1928 02:05:31,770 --> 02:05:37,140 Education. He is actually from farm village, Virginia, where 1929 02:05:37,140 --> 02:05:40,260 you know, where Brown versus Board of Education had a big 1930 02:05:40,950 --> 02:05:45,270 rolling. So I guess we can get into separate but equal one, 1931 02:05:45,600 --> 02:05:49,800 when I first heard about integration, and heard that may 1932 02:05:49,800 --> 02:05:54,570 possibly one day be the, you know, the way things would go, I 1933 02:05:55,020 --> 02:05:59,640 had very mixed feelings about it. I was no more anxious to 1934 02:05:59,640 --> 02:06:03,000 mingle with white people, than I'm sure many of them were 1935 02:06:03,060 --> 02:06:06,390 anxious to mingle with me. I felt the same reservations, the 1936 02:06:06,390 --> 02:06:11,700 same prejudices, I guess, I'm amazed to say that any of them 1937 02:06:11,700 --> 02:06:16,260 felt, you know. So I was not at all thrilled over the prospect. 1938 02:06:16,980 --> 02:06:22,050 But as time went on, I began to realize that possibly this was, 1939 02:06:22,050 --> 02:06:26,430 after all, the only way that the terrible injustice is could be 1940 02:06:26,430 --> 02:06:33,120 somewhat alleviated. And so more and more began to favor the idea 1941 02:06:33,120 --> 02:06:36,420 of integration. But I think many black people felt just as I did, 1942 02:06:36,420 --> 02:06:38,880 they really didn't want any parts of white people, they 1943 02:06:38,880 --> 02:06:42,630 would have preferred if it were, you know, I've often thought, if 1944 02:06:42,630 --> 02:06:48,030 separate but equal had been a reality, you'd never had an 1945 02:06:48,030 --> 02:06:48,990 integration struggle. 1946 02:06:52,140 --> 02:06:55,380 Isn't it interesting? He's the educate? Yeah, that's just isn't 1947 02:06:55,380 --> 02:06:59,400 it? Interesting? How, if you just let people know, where do 1948 02:07:00,270 --> 02:07:05,940 black and white men come together, sports, sports at a 1949 02:07:05,940 --> 02:07:08,850 bar, you know, where you're hanging out? The minute you 1950 02:07:08,850 --> 02:07:13,680 force it, it's like, Why, where's that's where friendships 1951 02:07:13,680 --> 02:07:16,230 are made. The friendships are made in the in the, in the 1952 02:07:16,230 --> 02:07:18,990 casual sense, at least, that's my experience. 1953 02:07:20,700 --> 02:07:26,520 In and when you let down your you, everybody has reservations 1954 02:07:26,520 --> 02:07:30,960 and the reservations really come from the media and what you 1955 02:07:30,960 --> 02:07:33,630 think you know about somebody? How can you know about somebody 1956 02:07:33,630 --> 02:07:40,680 if you don't know a person is so as self feeding. And as he said, 1957 02:07:40,920 --> 02:07:44,910 he had prejudices itself. And the reason why it's such a big 1958 02:07:44,910 --> 02:07:49,740 deal to me, these are things I've heard, older people say is 1959 02:07:49,740 --> 02:07:53,760 like we had, and it's not about not being around other people. 1960 02:07:55,050 --> 02:08:00,180 We you have to understand when they ship my dad off to his 1961 02:08:00,180 --> 02:08:05,430 school, the school he left from and yeah, close down. Yeah. 1962 02:08:06,120 --> 02:08:10,260 That's so his children, they get a chance to go to his alma 1963 02:08:10,260 --> 02:08:13,440 mater, you know, his children didn't get to, you know, go 1964 02:08:13,440 --> 02:08:15,870 through the play for high school football, who you play high 1965 02:08:15,870 --> 02:08:19,950 school football for these things that have real life impacts. And 1966 02:08:19,950 --> 02:08:24,720 then you just jam people together, which just jam people 1967 02:08:24,720 --> 02:08:30,600 together in any sense. Any, you know, since the process is 1968 02:08:30,600 --> 02:08:33,540 negative, because if you're forcing people to be together 1969 02:08:33,540 --> 02:08:37,650 now, and I want to say this, this is the portion where we 1970 02:08:37,650 --> 02:08:40,200 might get labeled as segregationist, or blah, blah, 1971 02:08:40,200 --> 02:08:43,860 blah, but we don't care. Because what we're trying to do is 1972 02:08:44,310 --> 02:08:47,280 Foster, how can we be segregationist when we're doing 1973 02:08:47,280 --> 02:08:51,180 an integrated podcast? I mean, come on, put your head. But we 1974 02:08:51,180 --> 02:08:54,960 came together because we wanted to talk to each other. You know 1975 02:08:54,960 --> 02:08:56,910 what, you have an interesting perspective, I have an 1976 02:08:56,910 --> 02:09:00,720 interesting perspective. Let's have a conversation about it. 1977 02:09:00,780 --> 02:09:05,610 And guess what? People want to hear it. We didn't say all this 1978 02:09:05,610 --> 02:09:06,750 coming this season, you know, 1979 02:09:08,100 --> 02:09:12,960 black versus white, what will he say its crown pro contract. 1980 02:09:12,960 --> 02:09:18,240 What? Yeah, exactly. It's coffee and cream. Every Mac and jacket 1981 02:09:18,270 --> 02:09:19,170 here at you 1982 02:09:20,160 --> 02:09:24,450 know, it's nothing. That is we actually talk more about what we 1983 02:09:24,450 --> 02:09:28,680 have in common and the things that divide us. And you fill in 1984 02:09:28,680 --> 02:09:31,170 a lot of gaps for me, and hopefully, I'll fill in a lot of 1985 02:09:31,170 --> 02:09:32,100 gaps for you. 1986 02:09:32,190 --> 02:09:34,650 And what is the what is the number one thing the number one 1987 02:09:34,650 --> 02:09:39,570 thing that I think always connects us, our families and 1988 02:09:39,570 --> 02:09:42,750 our kids. We don't talk about them on the air. But you know, 1989 02:09:42,960 --> 02:09:46,470 believe me, we're like, stupid kids, man. Can you believe this 1990 02:09:46,470 --> 02:09:48,870 kid? And that's the kind of stuff we talk about. 1991 02:09:49,830 --> 02:09:54,360 And the fear of where we see these things headed. I mean, you 1992 02:09:54,360 --> 02:09:57,480 hit on a key point there. I gotta give you one of those 1993 02:09:57,570 --> 02:10:01,530 because you hit on a key point. What is The World gonna be that 1994 02:10:01,530 --> 02:10:07,320 our kids inherit if we keep on this same cycle that we're 1995 02:10:07,320 --> 02:10:13,980 headed. Where does this end? Are you going to race me? Are you 1996 02:10:13,980 --> 02:10:18,030 going to race Adam? I mean, like, or are we going to be so 1997 02:10:18,030 --> 02:10:21,810 are my kids gonna be so racially charged up and you're so 1998 02:10:21,810 --> 02:10:26,040 racially charged up it they're anxious around each other camera 1999 02:10:26,040 --> 02:10:30,330 conversation. Now we need to tell which we're trying to tear 2000 02:10:30,330 --> 02:10:34,650 down. These things that put up to the bitis integration wasn't 2001 02:10:34,650 --> 02:10:39,090 really to bring us together was really to to erase one or the 2002 02:10:39,090 --> 02:10:42,210 other or both. I mean, if you have sinister you want to get to 2003 02:10:42,210 --> 02:10:45,810 it. But yeah, um and we're hitting it straight straight 2004 02:10:45,810 --> 02:10:49,500 from these people's mouths and let me not stand in the way and 2005 02:10:49,500 --> 02:10:52,410 I will say one thing doesn't this guy site red fox 2006 02:10:53,970 --> 02:10:57,000 does very much very much like red fox as 2007 02:11:04,500 --> 02:11:06,210 they get into number two, 2008 02:11:06,360 --> 02:11:08,700 right people would have been I think would have been very, very 2009 02:11:08,700 --> 02:11:13,980 satisfied to maintain but just make sure it's equal. And that's 2010 02:11:13,980 --> 02:11:19,650 where the problem are Milton high schooler a joke man with a 2011 02:11:19,650 --> 02:11:24,540 couple of tarpaper shacks, which will unsightly and compared to 2012 02:11:25,380 --> 02:11:28,350 the farm bill high school, you know, this, this the idea of 2013 02:11:28,350 --> 02:11:37,560 separate books. So, so torn apart. In one case, a friend of 2014 02:11:37,560 --> 02:11:40,860 mine is supposed to teach chemistry man, the only books he 2015 02:11:40,860 --> 02:11:46,320 could get. He had shreds and particles with pieces of books. 2016 02:11:46,710 --> 02:11:50,370 And by linking up in his classroom, these paths out what 2017 02:11:50,370 --> 02:11:55,080 he had. By linking up together the kids were then able to, to 2018 02:11:55,080 --> 02:11:58,560 get together enough material to these books had been discarded 2019 02:11:58,560 --> 02:12:01,590 by the white high school some years before and passed on to 2020 02:12:01,590 --> 02:12:05,070 the black school. Now this points out the the weakness and 2021 02:12:05,070 --> 02:12:08,220 the corruption of the principal who was blocked this teacher 2022 02:12:08,220 --> 02:12:11,580 friend and not knowing the chain of commands a brand new teacher 2023 02:12:13,080 --> 02:12:15,900 went to the superintendency liquid liquid network, I can 2024 02:12:15,900 --> 02:12:18,450 work with that. How can I teach chemistry with this junk and 2025 02:12:18,450 --> 02:12:24,750 immediately got a brand new set of books to his classroom. Now, 2026 02:12:25,290 --> 02:12:28,680 the point of this is that principal could also have done 2027 02:12:28,680 --> 02:12:32,520 that, but it was better for the principal to report a surplus. 2028 02:12:32,520 --> 02:12:39,150 It didn't happen. Oh, gosh. That's like, Is that amazing? 2029 02:12:39,240 --> 02:12:44,340 Yeah. That's lame. So tip no, but 2030 02:12:45,420 --> 02:12:49,410 he was so indoctrinated with fear. Yeah, that he wouldn't 2031 02:12:49,410 --> 02:12:52,710 even go ask for the resources that he needed. So he was seeing 2032 02:12:52,710 --> 02:12:56,340 like a good principle and that he was doing his job. So what 2033 02:12:56,340 --> 02:13:01,050 was your job? We really have to ask these questions. And like I 2034 02:13:01,050 --> 02:13:04,200 said, I don't want to make this a gender, not gender, but 2035 02:13:04,200 --> 02:13:09,270 generational war. But in certain circumstances, we have to ask, 2036 02:13:09,960 --> 02:13:13,770 is this the best deal you could have gotten? Yeah, I mean, like 2037 02:13:13,770 --> 02:13:18,690 serious. Think about this. There's books. And I'll say 2038 02:13:18,690 --> 02:13:23,550 this. The problem with this is if the so called white people 2039 02:13:23,670 --> 02:13:27,900 are earmarking money aside and having books available, and 2040 02:13:27,900 --> 02:13:30,600 nobody has come picking them up. What does that look like to 2041 02:13:30,600 --> 02:13:37,110 them? Yeah, it's like yeah, I don't care. So then it feeds 2042 02:13:37,110 --> 02:13:39,510 into the narrative that oh, yeah, they don't want to do 2043 02:13:39,510 --> 02:13:42,630 better. And then here's this guy all he's got to do with ads for 2044 02:13:42,630 --> 02:13:46,350 books and he can get him but he's on I'll let our kids use 2045 02:13:46,890 --> 02:13:51,030 scraps. I mean, scraps my dog I said my dad told me I had to 2046 02:13:51,030 --> 02:13:52,920 hear it from this gentleman my dad was saying they were had to 2047 02:13:52,920 --> 02:13:56,250 go to school like a week early to help the teachers putting the 2048 02:13:56,250 --> 02:14:00,990 books together. Together Yeah, pages missing go look for ignore 2049 02:14:01,020 --> 02:14:03,480 this or that, you know, you know, books, whole sections come 2050 02:14:03,480 --> 02:14:07,230 out. They will have to mend them back together and yet and still, 2051 02:14:07,410 --> 02:14:11,250 the resources were there. So this is the Boulais gatekeepers. 2052 02:14:11,340 --> 02:14:16,560 This is why I harp so hard. I'm gonna Boulay. They say what they 2053 02:14:16,560 --> 02:14:23,370 think their keepers want to hear. It's like yes, no balls, 2054 02:14:23,400 --> 02:14:26,130 you know, yeah, well, no one no books balls we do. I'm fine over 2055 02:14:26,130 --> 02:14:32,160 here. But at the at the detriment of the children they 2056 02:14:32,160 --> 02:14:33,090 posed to be represented, 2057 02:14:33,180 --> 02:14:36,840 but that mo that's gotta be trauma, historical trauma that 2058 02:14:36,840 --> 02:14:39,780 people have grown up with to think that way. 2059 02:14:40,769 --> 02:14:45,239 I wouldn't say historical trauma because when we did the corona 2060 02:14:45,239 --> 02:14:48,449 episode, remember the higher ups? Yeah, they were saying why 2061 02:14:48,449 --> 02:14:50,459 are you putting them on a ventilator? Because that's what 2062 02:14:50,459 --> 02:14:52,979 higher up said, Why are you doing this because what the 2063 02:14:52,979 --> 02:14:56,699 higher is not. I'm not saying that's not part of it. Right, 2064 02:14:56,699 --> 02:14:59,999 but just do keep status quo hierarchy. 2065 02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:00,240 or 2066 02:15:00,810 --> 02:15:04,350 go along? Yeah, yeah, they just go, Well, I don't want to make 2067 02:15:04,350 --> 02:15:07,950 any waves. I don't want to, you know, that's killing people. 2068 02:15:08,340 --> 02:15:08,760 That's what 2069 02:15:08,760 --> 02:15:13,500 the German said in in the late 30s. We, we didn't know we're 2070 02:15:13,500 --> 02:15:18,480 just following orders. And they can hate ya. 2071 02:15:19,199 --> 02:15:22,499 See where it had that? Sometimes you have to question these 2072 02:15:22,499 --> 02:15:26,789 things. Sometimes you have to question What's the motive here? 2073 02:15:26,879 --> 02:15:30,899 Yeah. Why? Why don't you want to go get books. But let's not 2074 02:15:30,899 --> 02:15:35,429 let's wrap up with the last clip from the gentleman from 2075 02:15:35,429 --> 02:15:37,019 Farmville, I could 2076 02:15:37,260 --> 02:15:39,900 say to non instance and vulnerable at the same kind of 2077 02:15:39,900 --> 02:15:44,040 thinking it's better to report a surplus at the end of the year, 2078 02:15:44,310 --> 02:15:49,170 thus protecting myself and make myself if a boy downtown, then 2079 02:15:49,170 --> 02:15:52,800 to go down and ask for material that absolutely desperately 2080 02:15:52,800 --> 02:15:57,390 needed by the children just passed and look at the physical 2081 02:15:57,390 --> 02:16:02,550 plants would have told you what a fallacy What a joke What a 2082 02:16:02,550 --> 02:16:05,730 hoax separate, but it was, there's no way in the world that 2083 02:16:05,730 --> 02:16:09,930 any reasonable person could compare Mountain High School, as 2084 02:16:09,930 --> 02:16:13,110 I said, a small brick building maybe four, maybe five 2085 02:16:13,110 --> 02:16:17,760 classrooms, supplemented by two tarpaper shacks, which were ugly 2086 02:16:17,760 --> 02:16:20,700 and unsightly. There's no way where you could have compared 2087 02:16:20,700 --> 02:16:28,440 that with Farmville high school that look at Noten the, the the 2088 02:16:29,250 --> 02:16:32,250 outlying buildings were heated by wood stoves and one of the 2089 02:16:32,250 --> 02:16:36,090 teachers in addition to teaching classes, in addition to driving 2090 02:16:36,090 --> 02:16:39,000 the school bus had the additional responsibility of 2091 02:16:39,000 --> 02:16:43,560 keeping the fires going in these buildings at the white high 2092 02:16:43,560 --> 02:16:48,630 school to have a janitor. I mean, the disparity was just 2093 02:16:48,630 --> 02:16:52,530 ridiculous. There's absolutely no, no separate, but it was 2094 02:16:52,530 --> 02:16:58,470 separate. All right. And very, on April, I foresaw, I thought I 2095 02:16:58,470 --> 02:17:02,850 saw it, it might come to bloodshed. And I wondered if 2096 02:17:02,880 --> 02:17:06,270 worth it for any single person to die for something like that. 2097 02:17:06,780 --> 02:17:09,570 And I said nothing and always been separate, but equal, but 2098 02:17:09,570 --> 02:17:12,750 truly equal in a meaningful sense. 2099 02:17:14,070 --> 02:17:17,670 And I'll comment on this that, you know, we laugh about the 2100 02:17:17,700 --> 02:17:24,060 platinum deal. But I do like President Trump's idea of school 2101 02:17:24,060 --> 02:17:28,740 choice where the parent will be able to determine where the 2102 02:17:28,740 --> 02:17:31,830 money goes to which school and I presume you could do the 2103 02:17:31,830 --> 02:17:34,410 homeschooling, whatever it is you want to do, the parent will 2104 02:17:34,410 --> 02:17:38,010 decide, not the municipality, not the local school district, 2105 02:17:38,190 --> 02:17:41,820 and also really puts the school system on notice. I really liked 2106 02:17:41,820 --> 02:17:45,930 that. And I I'm sure it has to go through Congress, you know, 2107 02:17:45,930 --> 02:17:49,890 he could do an executive order. But now that has to go into law. 2108 02:17:49,980 --> 02:17:52,470 I don't see a lot of Democrats jumping up and down about it. 2109 02:17:52,470 --> 02:17:55,140 Actually, I think about it. But I really 2110 02:17:55,920 --> 02:17:57,720 indoctrinate the children. I mean, that's, that's 2111 02:17:57,720 --> 02:18:00,150 counterproductive to the indoctrination. It's like, we 2112 02:18:00,150 --> 02:18:05,190 gotta get him through this narrative over here. And I 2113 02:18:05,190 --> 02:18:09,900 missed the point of pointing this out. But early in the show, 2114 02:18:10,020 --> 02:18:14,220 the narrative is you were a slave. Honestly, a freed you. 2115 02:18:15,090 --> 02:18:18,000 Not the king. Yes, you you still have a rights. Right. That's it. 2116 02:18:18,030 --> 02:18:19,980 That's all they ever want to teach you. 2117 02:18:20,550 --> 02:18:24,360 And style. And stop. That's all you need to know, you got enough 2118 02:18:24,360 --> 02:18:25,200 information now. 2119 02:18:26,700 --> 02:18:30,750 Because everything after that is all we're still striving for 2120 02:18:30,750 --> 02:18:33,090 integration, we're still striving for integrate this, 2121 02:18:33,150 --> 02:18:37,860 this. That's why I'm not against the idea of integration. I'm 2122 02:18:37,860 --> 02:18:41,400 gonna guess the point of it being this solution to our 2123 02:18:41,400 --> 02:18:45,810 problem, and only we can solve our problem, no matter now. You 2124 02:18:45,810 --> 02:18:48,570 can have the platinum plan, you can have the rhodium plan, you 2125 02:18:48,570 --> 02:18:51,870 can have the ice, that bling bling plan, and less black 2126 02:18:51,870 --> 02:18:57,090 people become independent and solve problems for themselves 2127 02:18:57,900 --> 02:19:02,190 and build their own. It won't work. It won't it will not work. 2128 02:19:02,190 --> 02:19:06,060 Because it's just like, when you have children until a child goes 2129 02:19:06,060 --> 02:19:09,570 out and builds his own house and builds own family, everything 2130 02:19:09,570 --> 02:19:13,710 else. They can be successful in your house. I mean, like in a 2131 02:19:13,710 --> 02:19:16,800 career, but there's still gonna be something lacking. And that's 2132 02:19:16,800 --> 02:19:20,550 the point I want to make now. Do you need a starter money? Every 2133 02:19:20,550 --> 02:19:24,060 venture capitalist? No, we need our VC. That's what this whole 2134 02:19:24,060 --> 02:19:29,310 atonement is about is not build the corporation under structure 2135 02:19:29,310 --> 02:19:33,240 for us. But you do need funding. You do need the proper schools. 2136 02:19:33,480 --> 02:19:37,350 You know, you need to stop the narrative. And I want to say one 2137 02:19:37,350 --> 02:19:41,190 more thing before we continue on. It's not I was beaten up on 2138 02:19:41,190 --> 02:19:44,280 the precipice a little bit but it continues to this day. 2139 02:19:44,700 --> 02:19:50,520 Parents know themselves right now. I think that last year, we 2140 02:19:50,520 --> 02:19:54,540 had to do school supplies this year, but last year, my kids had 2141 02:19:54,540 --> 02:19:59,970 to bring 24 glue sticks to school. Every child in class 2142 02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:03,420 What are y'all doing eatin glue sticks? I mean, what is it for 2143 02:20:03,420 --> 02:20:08,520 lunch? I know what that is is you bring enough for the parents 2144 02:20:08,520 --> 02:20:12,150 that won't have it. See that because the person was too 2145 02:20:12,150 --> 02:20:13,470 scared to go downtown 2146 02:20:13,470 --> 02:20:17,910 and say I need some more glue sticks. Exactly. So 2147 02:20:17,910 --> 02:20:20,880 what they do it they put the snap burden onto the parents, 2148 02:20:21,000 --> 02:20:26,040 they put the the glue sticks and the paper and the pencils and 2149 02:20:26,070 --> 02:20:29,910 hand sanitizers. And then and then they ask for more glue 2150 02:20:29,910 --> 02:20:34,050 sticks halfway through the year, I might hold on 20 Kids toss 2151 02:20:34,050 --> 02:20:39,990 2024 glue sticks come on almost 500 images and roughly almost 2152 02:20:39,990 --> 02:20:46,350 500 glue sticks. And you need more. But like I was saying 2153 02:20:46,380 --> 02:20:49,140 that's just passing the ball. I don't want to be the teacher, I 2154 02:20:49,140 --> 02:20:51,510 don't want to be in the principal aspect, not too much. 2155 02:20:51,840 --> 02:20:54,420 And maybe you wonder why people don't want to send their kids to 2156 02:20:54,420 --> 02:20:59,190 the schools. And what we will be doing school choice episode. And 2157 02:20:59,190 --> 02:21:03,630 I don't want to make this a rehash of, you know, a set of 2158 02:21:03,630 --> 02:21:07,050 the Brown versus Board education. But what I'm saying 2159 02:21:07,050 --> 02:21:14,820 is, people in general, would rather prefer to be independent. 2160 02:21:15,180 --> 02:21:19,110 And even if you know what, rather than live in somebody 2161 02:21:19,140 --> 02:21:23,730 else's mansion, or rather build me a two bedroom home on my own. 2162 02:21:26,190 --> 02:21:31,680 Yes. And I would like to I'd like to add that the school 2163 02:21:31,680 --> 02:21:39,870 choice now Act was introduced July, I believe, July 22, by 2164 02:21:39,870 --> 02:21:45,720 Senator Tim Scott. And since we got a voting season coming up, 2165 02:21:45,720 --> 02:21:50,130 let me tell you who the co sponsors are. Them Lamar 2166 02:21:50,130 --> 02:21:55,320 Alexander, Ted Cruz, John Cornyn, Kelly Lafleur, Marco 2167 02:21:55,320 --> 02:21:59,940 Rubio, Todd, young, Kevin Kramer, and James Lankford. 2168 02:22:00,150 --> 02:22:04,920 Those are the those as the sponsors. I believe they're all 2169 02:22:04,920 --> 02:22:08,640 Republicans. So this is in the Senate. So far, it's only been 2170 02:22:08,640 --> 02:22:13,140 introduced. I don't think it's come to the floor yet. So it's 2171 02:22:13,140 --> 02:22:15,270 good that the President is pushing that but you know, 2172 02:22:15,270 --> 02:22:17,820 there's a lot of help is going to be it's basically just been 2173 02:22:17,820 --> 02:22:21,030 pushed off to the sideline, I guess, for now until whatever 2174 02:22:21,030 --> 02:22:22,440 important stuff happens. 2175 02:22:23,610 --> 02:22:26,520 And there's been a lot of good charter schools formed, 2176 02:22:26,550 --> 02:22:31,290 especially about black men. And, you know, in these underserved 2177 02:22:31,290 --> 02:22:37,110 communities, so we have to prove, but if you allow them to 2178 02:22:37,110 --> 02:22:44,310 not go to schools, that affects the teachers union, which 2179 02:22:44,340 --> 02:22:47,520 impacts you know, very deep pockets. I'll just leave it Oh, 2180 02:22:47,520 --> 02:22:47,970 enough. 2181 02:22:48,630 --> 02:22:52,410 The teachers union, basically just financed the rebuilding of 2182 02:22:52,410 --> 02:22:58,590 LaGuardia Airport. Wow. Yeah. 2183 02:22:59,399 --> 02:23:02,549 Yeah, I was like, what? Yeah, I 2184 02:23:02,550 --> 02:23:05,070 think we could have done some other things. But okay, that's 2185 02:23:05,070 --> 02:23:05,460 fine. 2186 02:23:05,790 --> 02:23:09,360 And I'll say this, and I'm gonna save some of this for the school 2187 02:23:09,360 --> 02:23:12,240 choice. But teachers unions don't even protect teachers 2188 02:23:12,240 --> 02:23:14,310 because they didn't protect my father. And I'll just leave it 2189 02:23:14,310 --> 02:23:17,850 that. It's not even about the teachers. I mean, like most 2190 02:23:17,850 --> 02:23:20,400 unions are not about the people they're supposed to be built 2191 02:23:20,400 --> 02:23:24,720 for. But that was the southern perspective. Test. He was from 2192 02:23:24,720 --> 02:23:28,380 Farmville, Virginia. So now we have this other gentleman, Mr. 2193 02:23:28,380 --> 02:23:31,290 Robert Woodson. He was the CEO and founder of the national 2194 02:23:31,290 --> 02:23:33,480 standard. I'm gonna Bob Woodson, 2195 02:23:33,510 --> 02:23:35,400 I like Bob Woodson. He's a cool guy. 2196 02:23:36,420 --> 02:23:39,990 Okay, so Well, let's listen to clip one. 2197 02:23:40,230 --> 02:23:43,260 I grew up in South Philadelphia, we didn't realize it was 2198 02:23:43,260 --> 02:23:47,130 segregated. All we knew is that our neighborhood was all black. 2199 02:23:47,310 --> 02:23:50,280 And we weren't even that conscious of color. If you also 2200 02:23:50,280 --> 02:23:53,010 people who own the store down the street, the black, the 2201 02:23:53,040 --> 02:23:56,670 Taylor, the restaurant owners, they undertake everybody in the 2202 02:23:56,670 --> 02:24:01,890 neighborhood and it was a very small street working, everybody 2203 02:24:01,890 --> 02:24:05,130 worked, blue collar, essentially, very close knit 2204 02:24:05,130 --> 02:24:10,290 neighborhood. Everyone had over four children. We played in the 2205 02:24:10,290 --> 02:24:13,590 streets together on Saturday morning, our parents came out 2206 02:24:13,590 --> 02:24:17,250 and the hucksters came around and I parents purchase things. 2207 02:24:17,250 --> 02:24:19,860 We had to go buy ice because there were no refrigerators, 2208 02:24:19,860 --> 02:24:23,550 then we had a coal stove. So the younger kids were responsible 2209 02:24:23,550 --> 02:24:28,620 for putting wood and coal into the stove and keeping it going. 2210 02:24:29,280 --> 02:24:33,750 And the level of interests in education was just profound. I 2211 02:24:33,750 --> 02:24:37,380 mean, I mean, even to this day, I don't think I've ever, ever 2212 02:24:37,380 --> 02:24:41,130 had such a positive educational experience that I did my first 2213 02:24:41,130 --> 02:24:46,530 six years, because school was an integral part of the community. 2214 02:24:46,680 --> 02:24:50,460 We had a black superintendent, black principle, all the 2215 02:24:50,460 --> 02:24:52,710 teachers were black. Many of them didn't live in the 2216 02:24:52,710 --> 02:24:55,830 neighborhood either. Contrary to popular belief, they were middle 2217 02:24:55,830 --> 02:24:59,460 income people who live elsewhere, but their hearts and 2218 02:24:59,460 --> 02:25:01,710 their soul Those who are into those kids. 2219 02:25:02,640 --> 02:25:08,190 As you heard, it was an integral part. And but we are amongst 2220 02:25:08,190 --> 02:25:12,120 your all and I'll be honest with you about this. We were lower 2221 02:25:12,120 --> 02:25:16,530 middle class, but I didn't know what. Because when you're around 2222 02:25:16,530 --> 02:25:22,470 your own socio economic status, I mean, like what people have 2223 02:25:22,470 --> 02:25:26,100 done the same, like socio economic status, you don't 2224 02:25:26,100 --> 02:25:31,260 realize how poor you are. It's only when you go to college, or 2225 02:25:31,260 --> 02:25:34,680 you know, and be around real rich people that you say, oh, 2226 02:25:35,400 --> 02:25:43,620 yeah, My life sucks. No kidding. But it's like, wow, like, I 2227 02:25:43,620 --> 02:25:48,180 remember it. Just as a quick aside, I met this guy, when I 2228 02:25:48,180 --> 02:25:52,800 fresh out of college, and we were working together. And we're 2229 02:25:52,890 --> 02:25:58,230 roughly the same age. And he was like, Yeah, my family owns a 2230 02:25:58,230 --> 02:26:01,770 house down here. And we have a boat there and a boat at the 2231 02:26:01,770 --> 02:26:08,220 beach house. I got to, like, you don't take the boat with you to 2232 02:26:08,550 --> 02:26:12,270 know that. I mean, my mind couldn't I mean, I understood 2233 02:26:12,270 --> 02:26:14,790 like wealth and things of that nature. But actually to meet 2234 02:26:14,790 --> 02:26:18,990 somebody, whether grandfather was like a state senator or 2235 02:26:18,990 --> 02:26:22,980 something like that. I mean, just certain? 2236 02:26:24,150 --> 02:26:26,040 Well, that's interesting, because when I was growing up, 2237 02:26:26,040 --> 02:26:34,200 and I'm talking Kensington, Maryland, in the late 60s, and I 2238 02:26:34,200 --> 02:26:37,410 think it's pretty consistent everywhere I've lived, it was 2239 02:26:37,410 --> 02:26:41,730 all kind of the same. But there was always that one family who 2240 02:26:41,730 --> 02:26:45,480 had the house on the corner that was bigger than you know, and, 2241 02:26:46,410 --> 02:26:48,510 and they were everyone was always weird, and you wouldn't 2242 02:26:48,510 --> 02:26:51,750 actually go talk to them, you wouldn't necessarily play with 2243 02:26:51,750 --> 02:26:56,610 them. Right, just realizing that I don't know if it really 2244 02:26:56,610 --> 02:26:59,160 pertains to what we're talking about. But that's not what 2245 02:26:59,160 --> 02:27:02,160 you like those families, too. We had those families too, but I'm 2246 02:27:02,160 --> 02:27:07,380 just saying, at least it was some likeness in the wealth 2247 02:27:07,380 --> 02:27:10,710 level show you meet people that a millionaire, super wealthy 2248 02:27:10,710 --> 02:27:15,060 millionaires, yeah. And you are barely like, I mean, it makes 2249 02:27:15,060 --> 02:27:18,930 you look at yourself and look down at yourself. And this, this 2250 02:27:18,930 --> 02:27:22,980 is part of this is what another damaging effect of sending kids 2251 02:27:23,010 --> 02:27:31,740 off into such a disparity. And whether we call the racial 2252 02:27:31,740 --> 02:27:34,110 wealth gap. I mean, when you start to see that it's like, 2253 02:27:34,110 --> 02:27:39,150 wow, like, they have like real money. I mean, because this this 2254 02:27:39,150 --> 02:27:41,670 phenomenon called hood, Rich, I don't know if you ever heard of 2255 02:27:41,670 --> 02:27:45,330 Hood rich and enough you've. we've ever discuss hood rich on 2256 02:27:45,330 --> 02:27:48,240 this. On this day on the show. I can imagine what it means. Yeah. 2257 02:27:48,750 --> 02:27:52,320 Right. So hood Rich is basically if you can pay all your bills, 2258 02:27:52,320 --> 02:27:54,300 and you got some of the things you want, and take a few 2259 02:27:54,300 --> 02:27:59,370 vacations. You're Crusader rich amongst your peers. Yeah, and I 2260 02:27:59,370 --> 02:28:01,590 don't wanna make that gut hook thing. But that I mean, that's 2261 02:28:01,590 --> 02:28:05,400 what it is. But then when you real, meet real rich people, 2262 02:28:06,300 --> 02:28:10,710 like real, real rich people, it's like, wow, and it makes you 2263 02:28:11,430 --> 02:28:14,820 it has effect on your self esteem. It really does. Because 2264 02:28:14,820 --> 02:28:16,230 it's very jarring. 2265 02:28:16,290 --> 02:28:20,580 Well enter. One other factor that people deal with today, and 2266 02:28:20,580 --> 02:28:25,170 that social media, everyone is trying to have that look is you 2267 02:28:25,170 --> 02:28:29,250 know, if you're so in a Gucci patch on Photoshop, and it's so 2268 02:28:29,250 --> 02:28:31,650 it looks real, you know what you're doing it for, you're 2269 02:28:31,650 --> 02:28:34,470 doing it for all the same reasons. It's really pathetic 2270 02:28:34,470 --> 02:28:37,140 and destructive when you think about it. It's called 2271 02:28:37,140 --> 02:28:40,290 conspicuous consumption. And that's one of their biggest 2272 02:28:40,290 --> 02:28:44,340 problems that our youth have. 2273 02:28:44,640 --> 02:28:48,120 Yeah. Why is white black, yellow, red all youth by the 2274 02:28:48,120 --> 02:28:50,070 way, this is not a color thing at all. 2275 02:28:50,940 --> 02:28:56,190 Because when they did the rioting, and one of the first 2276 02:28:56,190 --> 02:28:56,850 there was a hit. 2277 02:28:57,840 --> 02:28:59,130 Gucci Louis. 2278 02:29:00,960 --> 02:29:05,700 Exactly. So this is the real problem that these children are 2279 02:29:05,700 --> 02:29:09,180 having. And then they see it on social media, and a phenomenon 2280 02:29:09,180 --> 02:29:13,650 like mod sweet 16, cardi, these things start to creep over into 2281 02:29:13,650 --> 02:29:19,050 society. And it creates a real problem where if you know who 2282 02:29:19,050 --> 02:29:23,280 you are and where you're from, and you around people that your 2283 02:29:23,310 --> 02:29:27,000 or your peers and your father's around his peers. It's a little 2284 02:29:27,000 --> 02:29:32,760 bit more healthy for your mentality. I'll just leave it 2285 02:29:32,760 --> 02:29:37,770 there. But let's get back to Bob Woodson and strong on were 2286 02:29:37,770 --> 02:29:38,520 strong to 2287 02:29:39,450 --> 02:29:45,270 up until 1959 78% of all black families had a man and a woman 2288 02:29:45,270 --> 02:29:50,730 in them. That's a fact teen pregnancy was was looked down 2289 02:29:50,730 --> 02:29:57,120 upon sexual activity among kids. Everyone bragged about it. No 2290 02:29:57,120 --> 02:30:03,630 one did it. And, but if someone became pregnant, if there was an 2291 02:30:03,630 --> 02:30:07,860 iron in the south, they would go there they have so that the the 2292 02:30:07,890 --> 02:30:11,790 moral standards and ethical standards for people living in 2293 02:30:11,880 --> 02:30:15,990 those communities was extremely high. It had little to do with 2294 02:30:15,990 --> 02:30:20,460 your income. Many of us were poor without realizing that we 2295 02:30:20,460 --> 02:30:23,070 were poor. The discipline was in the community. I mean, you 2296 02:30:23,070 --> 02:30:27,180 didn't speak back to an adult. The thought of an elderly person 2297 02:30:27,180 --> 02:30:31,260 being disrespected was was just unheard of. And teachers were 2298 02:30:31,260 --> 02:30:36,780 never disrespected. And if you misbehave was quite, you'd be 2299 02:30:36,780 --> 02:30:39,750 spanked by a neighbor. And yeah, I got home, I finally got home, 2300 02:30:40,230 --> 02:30:43,680 spank there. And God forbid a teacher should ever have to send 2301 02:30:43,680 --> 02:30:48,000 for your parents. And they had to take off work. That was it. 2302 02:30:48,030 --> 02:30:53,520 And so it it imposed a kind of discipline. And again, it was a 2303 02:30:53,520 --> 02:30:56,910 discipline that had little to do with how much money you made, 2304 02:30:56,940 --> 02:31:00,240 there was a sense of comfort, a sense of well being, a sense of 2305 02:31:00,240 --> 02:31:03,570 oneness between the school and the community. 2306 02:31:05,490 --> 02:31:09,270 Wow, member teachers would spank you to back in when I was Yeah. 2307 02:31:10,140 --> 02:31:18,660 Imagine that now. No. And then the other thing he said was, um, 2308 02:31:19,470 --> 02:31:23,790 that he had a certain comfort, I want to be honest with you just 2309 02:31:23,790 --> 02:31:25,470 a little background on me, because a lot of people don't 2310 02:31:25,470 --> 02:31:29,220 know a lot about me. But I lived in an enclave of black people in 2311 02:31:29,220 --> 02:31:34,230 a small North Carolina town, were the only white man we saw 2312 02:31:34,230 --> 02:31:38,160 on a consistent basis until maybe I went to preschool was 2313 02:31:38,160 --> 02:31:42,420 the insurance man. And he would come around. And it was like, 2314 02:31:42,450 --> 02:31:48,720 Who's this guy? I'm not serious. So you I was incubated and miss 2315 02:31:51,360 --> 02:31:56,220 my own culture. And then I still went off to preschool elementary 2316 02:31:56,220 --> 02:31:59,040 school, and then that is still you know, I came back to the 2317 02:31:59,040 --> 02:32:02,760 neighborhood. And, you know, I was cutting arts friends, you 2318 02:32:02,760 --> 02:32:08,280 know. And then I moved to Durham, and we lived in a black 2319 02:32:08,280 --> 02:32:12,030 suburb. I mean, it was it was like the, you know, the lower 2320 02:32:12,030 --> 02:32:15,180 middle class suburb. But yeah, it was still a suburb, there was 2321 02:32:15,180 --> 02:32:18,840 a lot of working class black people. So you went to school, 2322 02:32:18,840 --> 02:32:20,970 and you dealt with school, and then you come home, and then you 2323 02:32:20,970 --> 02:32:25,050 had, you know, interaction with people on your own. And then I 2324 02:32:25,050 --> 02:32:31,350 went to black, historically, black college HBCU. And the 2325 02:32:31,350 --> 02:32:34,380 first my first year actually, I went to a white university. And 2326 02:32:34,380 --> 02:32:38,430 it was so jarring to me. It was so I mean, I'm serious. It was 2327 02:32:38,430 --> 02:32:42,600 like, What is this? The I only went to school four days a week, 2328 02:32:42,600 --> 02:32:47,520 and I will be back in my hometown. No, on Thursday night, 2329 02:32:48,090 --> 02:32:51,480 because it was just I was not having anything against anybody. 2330 02:32:51,480 --> 02:32:53,520 Because I mean, in high school, I had a good set of mixed 2331 02:32:53,520 --> 02:32:58,650 friends. But it was what I was lacking. It was now the cultural 2332 02:32:58,650 --> 02:33:04,260 things. And then when I went to HBCU, that that kind of restored 2333 02:33:04,260 --> 02:33:07,560 it for me. But like I said, when you throw these people into 2334 02:33:07,560 --> 02:33:12,600 these, quote, unquote, integrated situations, they have 2335 02:33:12,600 --> 02:33:15,930 a lot of psychological effect on people. No kidding. No, I think 2336 02:33:15,960 --> 02:33:20,040 there's there's not I don't think people care to understand. 2337 02:33:20,280 --> 02:33:23,280 I mean, when I say that the people just making decisions is 2338 02:33:23,280 --> 02:33:26,010 just like, oh, we fix we fix racism. Now on to the next 2339 02:33:26,010 --> 02:33:32,340 problem. It's like, No, you made it worse. But I'm sorry for the 2340 02:33:32,760 --> 02:33:38,130 long story, but I'm just saying that I think I was the last 2341 02:33:38,190 --> 02:33:42,690 probably generation that grew up like that, to be honest with 2342 02:33:42,690 --> 02:33:48,030 you, where it wasn't like a lot of a lot of it, you know, a lot 2343 02:33:48,030 --> 02:33:54,180 of integrated. Living a much you know, I'm not sure community, 2344 02:33:54,480 --> 02:33:56,430 you're probably right, you're probably right. 2345 02:33:58,710 --> 02:34:01,410 Cuz I think white flight stopped being the thing too. I think 2346 02:34:01,410 --> 02:34:03,840 that's part of it. Because I'll be I'll be honest with you, when 2347 02:34:03,840 --> 02:34:07,500 we used to move on certain like, the third house we lived in, and 2348 02:34:07,500 --> 02:34:10,890 DERM when we moved there all my dad said watch out for sale 2349 02:34:10,890 --> 02:34:15,690 signs gonna come up, really and dammit, seriously, keep calling 2350 02:34:15,690 --> 02:34:17,160 it and that's like, oh, man, that was 2351 02:34:17,190 --> 02:34:20,040 that's a foreigner. That's kind of a rude awakening. 2352 02:34:20,910 --> 02:34:23,370 I will start to hear now my dad prepared me for I mean, like, 2353 02:34:24,180 --> 02:34:27,120 but it was not in a negative way. But like, this is just how 2354 02:34:27,120 --> 02:34:31,800 it goes. And lo and behold, we're sales for sales. But on 2355 02:34:31,800 --> 02:34:34,470 the flip side of that you had a lot of a lot of black people 2356 02:34:34,710 --> 02:34:37,620 that were looking to live amongst black people, right. So 2357 02:34:37,620 --> 02:34:39,870 it kind of worked out because it's like, 2358 02:34:39,900 --> 02:34:42,330 Did you see the neighborhood change the neighborhood change 2359 02:34:42,330 --> 02:34:44,970 over time? Just in color. 2360 02:34:45,000 --> 02:34:50,490 I mean, the social that was the same man. Yeah, we had a black 2361 02:34:50,490 --> 02:34:55,110 doctor. We had a black guy that worked at IBM. My dad was Mama's 2362 02:34:55,110 --> 02:34:58,380 social worker teacher. We had some people that were you know 2363 02:34:59,700 --> 02:35:04,740 that worked, you know, doing? Construction, those kinds of 2364 02:35:04,740 --> 02:35:08,190 things. So it wasn't a nice hodgepodge. I guess I lived a 2365 02:35:08,190 --> 02:35:11,940 charmed life. I'll be honest with you. I lived a charmed 2366 02:35:11,970 --> 02:35:16,740 black life. Honestly, I wouldn't change a thing about it. 2367 02:35:17,820 --> 02:35:21,390 So that but that's the term that goes the neighborhood. It was 2368 02:35:21,390 --> 02:35:24,060 actually true. completely true. 2369 02:35:24,930 --> 02:35:27,990 But that was the difference. Because as you said, what your 2370 02:35:27,990 --> 02:35:32,070 when people came to visit your house, it was like my dad, like 2371 02:35:32,070 --> 02:35:36,030 we got to keep our grass cut, you know? Because you didn't 2372 02:35:36,030 --> 02:35:38,130 want to be that that neighborhood, right? I mean, you 2373 02:35:38,130 --> 02:35:39,060 didn't want to be that that 2374 02:35:39,060 --> 02:35:41,910 was the same. We had to do the same. Of course, you want to 2375 02:35:41,910 --> 02:35:44,220 keep the grass cut up the douchebag on the block. You 2376 02:35:44,220 --> 02:35:44,970 don't want to be that? 2377 02:35:45,000 --> 02:35:47,340 No, but he wanted to be the first one to get that man 2378 02:35:47,340 --> 02:35:50,640 because he didn't want to be into the stereotype. So that's 2379 02:35:50,640 --> 02:35:53,430 the thing that you are consciously or even 2380 02:35:53,430 --> 02:35:58,020 subconsciously, it's always not wanting to live up to that slum 2381 02:35:58,020 --> 02:36:00,270 title that we've talked about earlier in the show, right? 2382 02:36:00,300 --> 02:36:04,830 Because that is a real thing that I like I told you. I don't 2383 02:36:04,830 --> 02:36:08,130 know I'm kind of dragging this out. But black people, for 2384 02:36:08,130 --> 02:36:12,600 instance, when I was growing up, you can't go anywhere, not 2385 02:36:12,600 --> 02:36:16,350 honored. That this just didn't happen. And you're yet to have 2386 02:36:16,350 --> 02:36:20,610 lotion on you had to be clean. Had to have your hair combed out 2387 02:36:20,610 --> 02:36:21,690 with these things. That 2388 02:36:21,690 --> 02:36:26,490 was that was exactly the same for me. And I can I heard my mom 2389 02:36:26,490 --> 02:36:30,180 many times say, we don't want the neighbors to think dot dot, 2390 02:36:30,180 --> 02:36:33,630 dot dot. I don't want anyone to think data data. Not so that's 2391 02:36:33,660 --> 02:36:37,290 that's, you know, it's, it's kind of across the board. 2392 02:36:38,760 --> 02:36:43,740 No, but what I'll say now, but what I was getting to is, when I 2393 02:36:43,740 --> 02:36:46,020 said that, I think I told your story, if I tell again, short 2394 02:36:46,020 --> 02:36:49,560 form. But now when I go to school events, my kids went to 2395 02:36:50,550 --> 02:36:55,500 highly populated Hispanic, high population, Hispanic kids. They 2396 02:36:55,500 --> 02:37:00,510 were be like we were, they would be pressed down. And you see the 2397 02:37:00,510 --> 02:37:03,360 other kids coming in shirttail hanging out all wrinkly, but 2398 02:37:03,360 --> 02:37:06,240 they had that same thing. Like we don't want to live up to what 2399 02:37:06,240 --> 02:37:09,240 people think the stereotype is of us. I think we've got so 2400 02:37:09,240 --> 02:37:12,990 super comfortable nests where you hear the natural hair 2401 02:37:12,990 --> 02:37:13,590 argument. 2402 02:37:14,340 --> 02:37:16,290 Right, right. Right, right. 2403 02:37:18,030 --> 02:37:23,010 So I guess we can use get go right into part three. Yeah, 2404 02:37:23,010 --> 02:37:23,310 this 2405 02:37:23,460 --> 02:37:24,690 last part of Bob, 2406 02:37:24,810 --> 02:37:28,350 many of us who, who exercise leadership in the civil rights 2407 02:37:28,350 --> 02:37:32,910 movement in the early and mid 60s. Integration was never our 2408 02:37:32,910 --> 02:37:36,990 goal. We never saw integration as a solution to the problems, 2409 02:37:36,990 --> 02:37:41,370 we were seeking desegregation. And I think confusion on that 2410 02:37:41,370 --> 02:37:46,410 point, has continued to erode the self, the collective self 2411 02:37:46,410 --> 02:37:49,620 confidence of the black community today. Just a very 2412 02:37:49,620 --> 02:37:53,340 confusion. You see, I fought against a jury segregation. That 2413 02:37:53,340 --> 02:37:56,250 is when someone absolutely forbid me to go into a 2414 02:37:56,250 --> 02:38:00,450 restaurant, or live in a given housing complex. I was just 2415 02:38:00,450 --> 02:38:03,690 restricted by law. I remember when I was discharged from the 2416 02:38:03,690 --> 02:38:10,020 military, coming home and 1958. And standing, then in Florida, 2417 02:38:11,070 --> 02:38:13,980 only person at a ticket window and had the man stop and wait on 2418 02:38:13,980 --> 02:38:16,920 the white person. He waited on 10 White people while I was 2419 02:38:16,920 --> 02:38:20,280 standing there. In the meantime, I almost missed the train and 2420 02:38:20,280 --> 02:38:23,070 couldn't check my bags. That's what I fought against the 2421 02:38:23,070 --> 02:38:28,140 indignity of America's apartheid system. So integration was never 2422 02:38:29,010 --> 02:38:32,760 a an issue for me, or for many others. 2423 02:38:33,870 --> 02:38:38,610 I like Bob Woodson, and he left the civil rights movement for 2424 02:38:38,610 --> 02:38:42,750 all the for what he saw was happening. Now, like we were 2425 02:38:42,750 --> 02:38:45,360 talking earlier about the guy of sound like John Brennan from the 2426 02:38:45,360 --> 02:38:51,360 CIA, which was Davis. Do you know who Bob Woodson I'm just 2427 02:38:51,360 --> 02:38:58,650 now realizing sounds like, Oh, Ben Carson. If you slow him down 2428 02:38:58,650 --> 02:39:02,160 a little bit, you just slow him down just a tad. He sat, he's 2429 02:39:02,160 --> 02:39:05,040 got the almost like to listen, just play a little bit. 2430 02:39:07,560 --> 02:39:11,430 And I think confusion on that point, see, has continued to 2431 02:39:11,430 --> 02:39:12,150 erode the 2432 02:39:13,020 --> 02:39:18,090 younger too. So we mean, it's 1989. So it might sound more 2433 02:39:18,090 --> 02:39:19,200 like a male. Yeah. 2434 02:39:19,950 --> 02:39:24,060 And I only bring that up because you can, you know, it's it's the 2435 02:39:24,060 --> 02:39:27,480 middle Yoda. It's the people he may be hanging out with, which 2436 02:39:27,480 --> 02:39:30,180 for me is really good news. I already liked Ben Carson, 2437 02:39:30,180 --> 02:39:33,180 because, you know, if I need someone to separate some Chinese 2438 02:39:33,180 --> 02:39:36,930 twins, you know, that's the guy. And I think and President Trump 2439 02:39:36,930 --> 02:39:40,980 likes him and he's running Housing and Urban Development. 2440 02:39:42,660 --> 02:39:45,780 So he's doing stuff with Tim Scott. And so I think that gives 2441 02:39:45,780 --> 02:39:48,870 me even greater confidence. I like that. I like hearing him 2442 02:39:48,870 --> 02:39:52,650 that he sounds like Bob Woodson, as shallow as that may be on my 2443 02:39:52,650 --> 02:39:53,070 part. 2444 02:39:54,000 --> 02:39:56,190 No, it matters. It matters because like you said, you could 2445 02:39:56,190 --> 02:39:59,160 tell a lot about how people speak by what company they keep. 2446 02:39:59,220 --> 02:40:02,670 Yeah, so yeah, that that is a very valid point. And I want to 2447 02:40:02,670 --> 02:40:06,660 follow this clip away because he made it so clear what they were 2448 02:40:06,660 --> 02:40:09,930 fighting against. Yeah, it wasn't a integration. It was 2449 02:40:09,930 --> 02:40:14,850 desegregation gap. And that's a huge, huge difference. Huge 2450 02:40:14,850 --> 02:40:19,320 difference. Yeah. When you sit here and say, Well, you need to 2451 02:40:19,320 --> 02:40:23,340 get your ticket, you know, checked. And it's like next, and 2452 02:40:23,340 --> 02:40:25,260 you're standing right here in the center, the white person 2453 02:40:25,260 --> 02:40:29,760 next, next. Next is like, don't you see me here as a human? 2454 02:40:29,880 --> 02:40:34,080 Right? Because there are certain things that, you know, over 2455 02:40:34,080 --> 02:40:36,690 time, we could build, but we still have to you have access 2456 02:40:36,690 --> 02:40:40,770 to, but I mean, that's it, as you heard over and over again. 2457 02:40:41,610 --> 02:40:44,460 And he's not running into male people. These are people that 2458 02:40:44,460 --> 02:40:50,130 were no, in the time of saying, This is what we want. And 2459 02:40:50,130 --> 02:40:55,800 hopefully, I can calm the generational war between the 2460 02:40:55,800 --> 02:40:58,920 black boomers and the black millennials, because that is a 2461 02:40:58,920 --> 02:41:01,770 real thing. Yeah. Because they were like, how stupid were you 2462 02:41:01,770 --> 02:41:05,940 to try to know get your spin on and get coffee and the pie. And 2463 02:41:05,940 --> 02:41:09,090 then the other side, like, kid, you know, have no idea. And then 2464 02:41:09,090 --> 02:41:12,330 like, look at y'all, you know, we had to go through real 2465 02:41:12,330 --> 02:41:19,260 segregation. Y'all are whining about safe spaces. Yeah. So if 2466 02:41:19,260 --> 02:41:22,410 you remove that barrier between those two, you can have a 2467 02:41:22,620 --> 02:41:28,320 conversation interracially that would, you know, provide a much 2468 02:41:28,320 --> 02:41:31,410 needed, you know, transfer of knowledge between the two 2469 02:41:31,410 --> 02:41:31,920 groups. 2470 02:41:32,700 --> 02:41:36,180 I think, I think this all the problem came when spanking ended 2471 02:41:36,180 --> 02:41:38,520 Mo. That's when the kid 2472 02:41:39,600 --> 02:41:44,310 got out of school. There was a lot of people. And that was a 2473 02:41:44,310 --> 02:41:46,380 big thing in the black community, because I remember 2474 02:41:46,380 --> 02:41:48,450 hearing that conversation was going like, are they gonna what? 2475 02:41:48,450 --> 02:41:52,740 Take what? Take who else? Right? So it was like, yes, so that was 2476 02:41:52,740 --> 02:41:56,280 it. But yes, definitely spankings. And then that 2477 02:41:56,610 --> 02:41:59,250 ventured off again. You can't spank your kids at school me at 2478 02:41:59,250 --> 02:42:01,140 home? And then oh, 2479 02:42:01,140 --> 02:42:04,080 no, I'm sure these days if your kid goes through my daddy spank 2480 02:42:04,080 --> 02:42:07,590 me, you get a call from Child Protective Services pretty much. 2481 02:42:07,980 --> 02:42:12,240 Right? So yeah, so that's, that's the real thing. So now we 2482 02:42:12,240 --> 02:42:15,690 get into the problematic category to trigger and want to 2483 02:42:15,690 --> 02:42:19,410 Yeah, I have to, I have to get a trigger warning for these next 2484 02:42:19,410 --> 02:42:21,900 four or five clips we're gonna play because he's gonna, making 2485 02:42:21,900 --> 02:42:29,640 sure people are ready, but you got to brace yourself. Morning 2486 02:42:33,030 --> 02:42:39,150 everybody. We're ready, we're ready for the trigger. 2487 02:42:39,990 --> 02:42:44,700 And we only bring this out when we go heavy. Every show race for 2488 02:42:46,380 --> 02:42:47,340 is not to get dt 2489 02:42:48,720 --> 02:42:50,190 32 Is it fair to 2490 02:42:50,190 --> 02:42:54,540 say as a generality and as a succinct way to put it that you 2491 02:42:54,540 --> 02:42:57,690 believe in segregation of the races? No segregation is that 2492 02:42:57,690 --> 02:43:00,330 which is Mr. Muhammad says that segregation is that which is 2493 02:43:00,330 --> 02:43:04,710 forced upon inferiors, by superiors. Separation is done 2494 02:43:04,710 --> 02:43:07,980 voluntarily by two equals, you never refer to the Oriental 2495 02:43:07,980 --> 02:43:12,030 community in which Orientals live exclusively as a segregated 2496 02:43:12,030 --> 02:43:14,550 community. Because they live there voluntarily. They 2497 02:43:14,580 --> 02:43:17,670 everything there is controlled by them, the economy, the 2498 02:43:17,670 --> 02:43:20,340 politics, the civic organizations, but the negro 2499 02:43:20,340 --> 02:43:23,520 community is referred to as a segregated community, because 2500 02:43:23,520 --> 02:43:26,910 Negroes are forced to live in that community, contrary to 2501 02:43:26,910 --> 02:43:29,850 their will, and they don't control the businesses of their 2502 02:43:29,850 --> 02:43:32,760 community. They don't control the politics of their community 2503 02:43:32,760 --> 02:43:34,560 nor their social life. 2504 02:43:36,270 --> 02:43:37,620 Wow, Malcolm? 2505 02:43:39,420 --> 02:43:43,410 Yeah, we got to two for him. So what he's saying basically, is 2506 02:43:44,010 --> 02:43:47,280 just going back to the he's speaking in real time about the 2507 02:43:47,280 --> 02:43:51,960 projects, and how people were forced in the slums by not 2508 02:43:51,960 --> 02:43:54,600 having any or the options. And that's what he was saying, if 2509 02:43:54,600 --> 02:44:00,000 it's not separation, because we didn't choose it, which now I'm 2510 02:44:00,000 --> 02:44:03,630 gonna say this, the larger Muhammad is gonna shape this 2511 02:44:03,660 --> 02:44:09,120 next three speakers mind. And he was very big on being self 2512 02:44:09,120 --> 02:44:12,540 reliant, build your own, have your own, and you really can't 2513 02:44:12,540 --> 02:44:18,090 talk about him now, for several reasons. But as we do we take 2514 02:44:18,090 --> 02:44:20,190 away the positive from people when we leave, you know, we 2515 02:44:20,190 --> 02:44:25,470 don't subscribe to everybody's whole lexicon of thoughts. We 2516 02:44:25,470 --> 02:44:28,830 pluck out, you know, things that will work, or things that need 2517 02:44:28,830 --> 02:44:34,110 to be discussed. So he was the mentor to Malcolm X and the next 2518 02:44:34,110 --> 02:44:42,540 two speakers, but this is the thing it's like, um, I think 2519 02:44:42,540 --> 02:44:45,750 this is another part another, another part of the generational 2520 02:44:45,930 --> 02:44:52,710 issue. Black people now young black kids now not kids, but 2521 02:44:52,710 --> 02:44:57,540 young adults can't fathom, not being able to start your own 2522 02:44:57,540 --> 02:45:01,920 business, because now it said Global market, whatever you 2523 02:45:01,920 --> 02:45:04,920 want, you can just order it and you can set up shop on the 2524 02:45:04,920 --> 02:45:09,000 internet or even if a storefront, right, yeah, because 2525 02:45:09,030 --> 02:45:12,300 we getting things straight from China, or straight from you 2526 02:45:12,300 --> 02:45:17,640 know, other, you know, other foreign countries. At this time, 2527 02:45:18,000 --> 02:45:21,300 you didn't have that luxury. If you didn't know somebody knew 2528 02:45:21,300 --> 02:45:26,670 somebody knew somebody, you could easily be shut down. So 2529 02:45:26,670 --> 02:45:29,880 that's the other generational gap is now. But 2530 02:45:31,470 --> 02:45:38,130 if I can suggest that is also an education problem, because it 2531 02:45:38,130 --> 02:45:41,070 will certainly from my perspective, you hear about 2532 02:45:41,070 --> 02:45:44,910 segregation, it pretty much boils down to school, water, 2533 02:45:44,910 --> 02:45:49,410 fountain and toilet. No, the other stuff was never discussed, 2534 02:45:49,410 --> 02:45:53,100 like, Oh, that sucks. And the and as a kid, I remember 2535 02:45:53,100 --> 02:46:00,630 thinking waterfowl fountain, police had weird, you know, it 2536 02:46:00,630 --> 02:46:03,870 was no, it was like, I never actually the fact that it was 2537 02:46:04,380 --> 02:46:09,240 taught, confronted me, I never thought about it. And then I got 2538 02:46:09,240 --> 02:46:12,000 weirded out by everyone's mouth on the water fountain. I didn't 2539 02:46:12,000 --> 02:46:14,340 want to drink water out of the water found at all just like 2540 02:46:14,340 --> 02:46:16,950 mad. Look how many people are on that not color, but just how 2541 02:46:16,950 --> 02:46:19,590 many people are using it all. But that's all that it was 2542 02:46:19,590 --> 02:46:26,070 toilet, water fountain, and school. And there was a lot of 2543 02:46:26,070 --> 02:46:29,880 imagery to reinforce those three things. You never hear about 2544 02:46:29,880 --> 02:46:34,320 entrepreneurialism, you know, the success stories were equally 2545 02:46:34,320 --> 02:46:39,870 as limited to the full scope of what was possible, what people 2546 02:46:39,870 --> 02:46:44,550 did, and what segregation really was. And what what success 2547 02:46:44,550 --> 02:46:47,370 stories there were of people who broke through that is so 2548 02:46:47,370 --> 02:46:49,620 limited, so limited in what I learned. 2549 02:46:50,400 --> 02:46:55,530 Yeah. And then the other thing is that before, like I said, if 2550 02:46:55,530 --> 02:46:57,960 you wanted to start a business, you had to go through so many 2551 02:46:57,960 --> 02:47:03,030 ropes, you know, had to know somebody and know somebody know 2552 02:47:03,030 --> 02:47:08,880 somebody, you need to have the suppliers. But now, it isn't the 2553 02:47:08,880 --> 02:47:11,640 gift and the curse of a country like China, 2554 02:47:12,570 --> 02:47:13,500 or globalism. 2555 02:47:14,760 --> 02:47:18,210 Gobble is I mean, what I what I mean? Yeah, but we know where a 2556 02:47:18,210 --> 02:47:24,150 lot of these products come from. That opens the door to say, You 2557 02:47:24,150 --> 02:47:29,220 know what, I don't have to deal with in this country anymore. I 2558 02:47:29,220 --> 02:47:33,090 can go straight there, buy it for one sell for two, right? 2559 02:47:33,090 --> 02:47:35,850 Which really furthers capitalism, you think about it 2560 02:47:35,880 --> 02:47:40,200 totally. Now, because you have, it's about competition. And a 2561 02:47:40,200 --> 02:47:48,270 lot of things also was about ideas. So it's, now look at us, 2562 02:47:48,930 --> 02:47:53,370 we couldn't do this show 50 years ago, even if we want to 2563 02:47:53,370 --> 02:47:58,860 even if we had the wheel off maybe 60 years ago, we couldn't 2564 02:47:58,860 --> 02:48:00,840 do put the show together, because you had to get on a 2565 02:48:00,840 --> 02:48:04,170 broadcast or radio. I mean, you were a pirate radio. I mean, you 2566 02:48:04,170 --> 02:48:10,020 know about being locked out. Number six, oh, man, you know, 2567 02:48:10,020 --> 02:48:12,210 imagine that if you're trying to open a store from it, and that 2568 02:48:12,210 --> 02:48:14,670 kind of thing. And then the other thing that I'll say this 2569 02:48:14,670 --> 02:48:19,050 finally, and this is a big one, and I know you're kind of 2570 02:48:19,050 --> 02:48:23,400 against them, but Credit Karma and the understanding of credit 2571 02:48:23,400 --> 02:48:27,990 itself, when you got your credit report in the 80s and 70s. And 2572 02:48:27,990 --> 02:48:30,150 know what the hell was going on on it? You know, I was like, 2573 02:48:30,180 --> 02:48:34,170 What? What is this? Well, I'll pay my bills. Yeah, 2574 02:48:34,170 --> 02:48:38,070 well, sadly, Credit Karma is intended only to enslave 2575 02:48:38,070 --> 02:48:44,490 everyone, all children of all ages more by making you behave 2576 02:48:44,490 --> 02:48:49,800 in certain ways to give you access to more credit. It's a 2577 02:48:49,800 --> 02:48:54,030 very, very, very evil situation that's going on there. 2578 02:48:55,500 --> 02:48:59,760 But for a lot of people, this is the first understanding of how 2579 02:48:59,760 --> 02:49:05,070 your behaviors impact your credit. That's true. That says, 2580 02:49:05,070 --> 02:49:07,530 Well, I'm saying a lot of this stuff they're building we could 2581 02:49:07,530 --> 02:49:11,040 turn around and use against them. If you know how to game 2582 02:49:11,040 --> 02:49:15,900 the system. And then Trust me I know how to game the credit 2583 02:49:15,900 --> 02:49:20,580 course credit score system now not not a negative way but just 2584 02:49:20,580 --> 02:49:24,420 in Oh, that's what this turn is dial turn this knob. Oh, that 2585 02:49:24,420 --> 02:49:27,360 makes the job 10 points. Good. Nice. Going here kind of thing. 2586 02:49:27,360 --> 02:49:27,750 Yeah, 2587 02:49:27,780 --> 02:49:31,710 I guess where I'm coming from is I would prefer that we teach our 2588 02:49:31,710 --> 02:49:36,240 children that you don't necessarily have to, you know 2589 02:49:36,240 --> 02:49:40,920 this, to me a credit card or credit is reverse spending 2590 02:49:41,010 --> 02:49:45,750 reverse sage or reverse saving. Instead of I remember saving up 2591 02:49:45,750 --> 02:49:49,230 stuff, you know, saving up because there was no real credit 2592 02:49:49,230 --> 02:49:51,840 credit cards and your kids didn't have credit cards. There 2593 02:49:51,840 --> 02:49:52,680 was none of that. 2594 02:49:53,940 --> 02:49:59,010 That's That's why our generation I mean, I know we were seeing a 2595 02:49:59,010 --> 02:50:03,960 little gap between now But we understand the digital, what 2596 02:50:03,960 --> 02:50:07,650 we're based in analog thought, yeah, for sure. And what I mean 2597 02:50:07,650 --> 02:50:10,800 by that is you pay your bills on time you save money, that kind 2598 02:50:10,800 --> 02:50:13,410 of thing. Yeah. I'm not saying don't do away with that. That's 2599 02:50:13,410 --> 02:50:16,560 why it's harmful to children or young adults, because they're 2600 02:50:16,560 --> 02:50:19,560 not based in that reality. Right? It's just, it's just a 2601 02:50:19,560 --> 02:50:21,180 game to them. Now you just 2602 02:50:21,180 --> 02:50:24,000 hear two American dads. Yep. And on to the podcast. That's for 2603 02:50:25,920 --> 02:50:29,970 damn kids. No. Yeah, no, um, well, I'm just saying that is 2604 02:50:29,970 --> 02:50:33,600 that's why you need fathers in the house. Yeah, to teach them 2605 02:50:33,600 --> 02:50:38,940 the principles of pay. This is the way it is. This is the way 2606 02:50:38,940 --> 02:50:42,840 it works. Okay. Now, how can you use that as a tool to your 2607 02:50:42,840 --> 02:50:46,950 benefit? Okay, you know, so I usually think about talent you 2608 02:50:46,950 --> 02:50:49,530 and using things as a tool to your benefit. But like I said, 2609 02:50:49,560 --> 02:50:55,440 I've gone off on a tangent long enough. But now we have a new 2610 02:50:55,440 --> 02:50:58,350 Malcolm that was actually that that last one was from tobacco 2611 02:50:58,380 --> 02:51:03,270 cars show 20 A throwback clip. And I want to expound on that or 2612 02:51:03,270 --> 02:51:06,030 let Malcolm expound on that a little bit more about 2613 02:51:06,090 --> 02:51:07,950 integration isn't dignity. 2614 02:51:08,490 --> 02:51:11,340 Dr. King's goals are quite different from yours. He 2615 02:51:11,340 --> 02:51:14,700 believes in integration, integration, the society 2616 02:51:15,300 --> 02:51:18,990 integrated No, well, that's where Dr. King is mixed up. His 2617 02:51:18,990 --> 02:51:23,220 goal should be the solution of the problem of the black men in 2618 02:51:23,220 --> 02:51:27,570 America. Now, not integration, integration is the method toward 2619 02:51:27,570 --> 02:51:31,020 obtaining that goal. And what the Negro leader has done is 2620 02:51:31,020 --> 02:51:34,050 gotten himself wrapped up in the method and has forgotten what 2621 02:51:34,050 --> 02:51:39,900 the goal is. The goal is the is the is the dignity of the black 2622 02:51:39,900 --> 02:51:43,020 man in America, he wants to respect as a human being, he 2623 02:51:43,020 --> 02:51:45,990 wants recognition as a human being. Now if integration will 2624 02:51:45,990 --> 02:51:49,080 get him that All right, if segregation will get him that 2625 02:51:49,080 --> 02:51:52,080 All right, if separate region will get him that all right. But 2626 02:51:52,080 --> 02:51:54,570 after he gets integration, and he still doesn't have this 2627 02:51:54,570 --> 02:51:58,350 dignity, and this recognition as a human being, then his problem 2628 02:51:58,440 --> 02:51:59,550 is still not solved. 2629 02:51:59,610 --> 02:52:03,030 Well, isn't this exactly what Dr. King is looking towards, and 2630 02:52:03,030 --> 02:52:05,940 that is the day when the Negro will be treated with dignity. 2631 02:52:05,940 --> 02:52:09,120 Wasn't this after all, the result of the Montgomery bus 2632 02:52:09,120 --> 02:52:09,690 boycott? 2633 02:52:09,960 --> 02:52:14,520 No, because I don't think you can. Having an opportunity to 2634 02:52:14,520 --> 02:52:17,910 write either on the front or the back or in the middle of someone 2635 02:52:17,910 --> 02:52:23,160 else's bus doesn't dignify you, when you have your own bus. When 2636 02:52:23,160 --> 02:52:25,590 you have your own school, you have dignity. When you have your 2637 02:52:25,590 --> 02:52:28,170 own country, you have dignity when you have something of your 2638 02:52:28,170 --> 02:52:31,350 own, you have dignity. But whenever you are begging for a 2639 02:52:31,350 --> 02:52:34,500 chance to participate in that which belongs to someone else, 2640 02:52:34,680 --> 02:52:37,830 or use that which belongs to someone else on an equal basis 2641 02:52:37,830 --> 02:52:40,650 with the owner. That's not dignity. That's ignorance. 2642 02:52:41,190 --> 02:52:45,750 I'm now realizing that throughout my life, I've heard 2643 02:52:46,680 --> 02:52:49,920 Malcolm X's Yeah, but any any black man who would talk about 2644 02:52:50,220 --> 02:52:54,060 the black man, I always kind of presumed I just means all black 2645 02:52:54,060 --> 02:52:56,880 people. But now I'm kind of learning it actually is 2646 02:52:56,880 --> 02:52:58,980 specifically about black men. 2647 02:53:00,990 --> 02:53:06,990 Yeah. Cuz we shape the minds of our children very 2648 02:53:06,990 --> 02:53:10,500 unpopular thing to say, in today's world culture, Mo very 2649 02:53:10,500 --> 02:53:12,660 unpopular for you or me to say. 2650 02:53:13,320 --> 02:53:17,400 And I mean that I mean, I'm not saying that I'm saying that to 2651 02:53:17,400 --> 02:53:21,690 them. And yes, I guess I gotta teach my children to have 2652 02:53:21,720 --> 02:53:25,440 dignity. I'm teaching my children to have your own. Yes, 2653 02:53:25,440 --> 02:53:28,140 I'm an employer, but I don't want my children to work for 2654 02:53:28,170 --> 02:53:31,500 anybody. You know, I tell my daughter, I was like, Look, you 2655 02:53:31,500 --> 02:53:33,420 want to start your own business. Actually, I'm talking to a 2656 02:53:33,420 --> 02:53:37,680 couple producers. On the show. They have the private labeling 2657 02:53:37,680 --> 02:53:43,170 stuff to get my daughter's 617 years old, get her feet wet into 2658 02:53:43,170 --> 02:53:48,180 private labeling and starting her own business. Yeah, it's 2659 02:53:48,180 --> 02:53:51,420 about dignity at the end of the day, and that's what's missing 2660 02:53:51,420 --> 02:53:54,840 from our and people want to say in a way of pull up your pants, 2661 02:53:54,870 --> 02:53:57,900 blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, no self respect, the man will have 2662 02:53:57,900 --> 02:54:01,680 his ash and will excuse my leg. I'm sorry, what have his blood 2663 02:54:01,680 --> 02:54:04,740 sugar in the first place if you had dignity about yourself, 2664 02:54:05,520 --> 02:54:08,220 because you don't want to turn yourself into a spectacle? It's 2665 02:54:08,220 --> 02:54:12,420 not a that's a symptom of the problem. Just like Malcolm said, 2666 02:54:12,420 --> 02:54:15,960 integration is a method. It's not 2667 02:54:15,960 --> 02:54:22,200 nothing. Oh, yeah, that's a good one. A ding for Malcolm. So 2668 02:54:22,200 --> 02:54:22,650 true. 2669 02:54:24,300 --> 02:54:29,280 That's what I mean. That's what into we like, and that people 2670 02:54:29,280 --> 02:54:33,150 say that the Gucci reparation argument, right? And yeah, and 2671 02:54:33,960 --> 02:54:36,990 if they blow it, so be it but now you don't have an excuse 2672 02:54:36,990 --> 02:54:40,620 anymore. Now what you're gonna blame it on? Yeah. So now what 2673 02:54:40,620 --> 02:54:41,700 you're gonna be a victim to 2674 02:54:41,730 --> 02:54:45,540 the Gucci reparation argument, is essentially what I got from 2675 02:54:45,570 --> 02:54:49,770 Hotep Jesus, and he said, so let's say that we're 2676 02:54:49,770 --> 02:54:55,170 reparations. Now forget the the monolith part which you know, he 2677 02:54:55,200 --> 02:54:57,960 said don't black people just blow it on Gucci. It'll go to 2678 02:54:57,990 --> 02:55:03,210 Gucci anyway. And of course, there's going to be a percentage 2679 02:55:03,210 --> 02:55:05,520 of people who do that. But you're absolutely right that 2680 02:55:05,520 --> 02:55:06,480 their choice. 2681 02:55:09,120 --> 02:55:11,550 Now you have to look at them like adults because you know 2682 02:55:11,550 --> 02:55:16,110 what we remedied your problem. We were told, and I'm saying 2683 02:55:16,110 --> 02:55:19,560 this the white people now, this is the beauty of reparations or 2684 02:55:19,560 --> 02:55:22,680 atonement, like I like to call it because reparations is just 2685 02:55:23,490 --> 02:55:26,820 to be repaired. Yeah, you're asking, you're asking a repair, 2686 02:55:26,820 --> 02:55:30,330 we repair me. If you want to atone that's coming from the 2687 02:55:30,330 --> 02:55:33,240 person that needs to atone with the person they've done wrong, 2688 02:55:33,270 --> 02:55:36,330 right? It's like, you know what? At the country, we've done you 2689 02:55:36,330 --> 02:55:42,870 wrong. Here's an ABCD. Right. So okay, here, we will pound. Now 2690 02:55:42,870 --> 02:55:46,380 you can't bring it like just like when you people know when 2691 02:55:46,380 --> 02:55:50,190 to my pays a settlement and the case, you can't come back and 2692 02:55:50,190 --> 02:55:53,820 keep saying, Oh, you're ruining my life. No, I've settled with 2693 02:55:53,820 --> 02:55:57,900 you. Now, if you took the money and went to Vegas and blew it, 2694 02:55:58,320 --> 02:56:03,480 that's the only That's your problem. Not my problem. So I'm 2695 02:56:03,480 --> 02:56:06,330 saying is atonement. And that's why I'm gonna keep calling it 2696 02:56:06,330 --> 02:56:11,220 this is from the point of, let's put this race crap behind us. 2697 02:56:13,740 --> 02:56:16,770 You give people where they can strive for their own dignity. 2698 02:56:17,220 --> 02:56:20,910 And if one out of three people blow the money, so be it if two 2699 02:56:20,910 --> 02:56:24,510 out of the three bloated money, so be it. Because you can look 2700 02:56:24,510 --> 02:56:26,670 at the one out of three that didn't blow the money and say, 2701 02:56:26,670 --> 02:56:29,520 Yo, you know what was different between you and them? Now we can 2702 02:56:29,520 --> 02:56:32,730 get to the real problem. It's probably because you didn't have 2703 02:56:32,730 --> 02:56:35,460 a father at home. Yeah, it's probably because you sell for 2704 02:56:35,460 --> 02:56:38,400 low self esteem and victimization mentality. Let's 2705 02:56:38,400 --> 02:56:42,030 get let's get to the real root of the problem. That's why I 2706 02:56:42,030 --> 02:56:45,990 call it a tome I'm sorry, I'm sorry. But I get charged up 2707 02:56:45,990 --> 02:56:49,680 about this because at the end of the day, when I let Mullah 2708 02:56:49,710 --> 02:56:54,300 Muhammad Ali tell you that society is filled educate people 2709 02:56:54,300 --> 02:56:54,690 around well 2710 02:56:54,690 --> 02:56:57,270 Life is too short for me to reread kitchen Hill for 2711 02:56:57,270 --> 02:56:59,340 something like that and have their own views my own I have a 2712 02:56:59,340 --> 02:57:01,620 beautiful daughter beautiful wife. They look like me we all 2713 02:57:01,620 --> 02:57:07,110 happen I don't have no trouble that much in love and no woman 2714 02:57:07,110 --> 02:57:12,600 to go through all at ALA no one woman that good. You understand? 2715 02:57:12,720 --> 02:57:15,600 I understand. Yeah. I do understand. I understand. I 2716 02:57:15,600 --> 02:57:19,620 think it's I think it's sad that it is sad because every 2717 02:57:19,620 --> 02:57:22,440 intelligent person wants his child to look like him. I'm sad 2718 02:57:22,440 --> 02:57:24,810 because I want to blot out my race and lose my beautiful 2719 02:57:24,810 --> 02:57:28,710 identity. Chinese love Chinese. They love the lust none of that 2720 02:57:28,710 --> 02:57:32,430 pretty brown skinned babies. Pakistan is love that culture. 2721 02:57:32,550 --> 02:57:35,070 Jewish people love that culture. A lot of Catholics don't want to 2722 02:57:35,070 --> 02:57:37,140 read them a Catholics they want the religion to be stayed the 2723 02:57:37,140 --> 02:57:41,520 same. Who want to spot up yourself and kill your race. You 2724 02:57:41,520 --> 02:57:44,100 ahead of your people. If you don't want to stay who you are 2725 02:57:44,100 --> 02:57:46,770 You shame what God made you. God didn't make no mistake when he 2726 02:57:46,770 --> 02:57:52,080 made us all like my philosophy of despair. This was number one. 2727 02:57:56,310 --> 02:58:00,780 No woman on this whole earth not even a black woman in Muslim 2728 02:58:00,780 --> 02:58:03,990 countries can please me and cook for me and socialize and talk to 2729 02:58:03,990 --> 02:58:07,110 me like my American black woman. No woman and last as a white 2730 02:58:07,110 --> 02:58:10,890 woman can really identify with me and my feelings and the way I 2731 02:58:10,890 --> 02:58:15,090 act and we are taught. And you can take no Chinese man and give 2732 02:58:15,090 --> 02:58:18,210 them the Puerto Rican woman and Halima. We're in love and you're 2733 02:58:18,210 --> 02:58:20,340 emotionally in love and physically, but really, they're 2734 02:58:20,340 --> 02:58:22,830 not happy because she's gonna have some Puerto Rican music. 2735 02:58:22,890 --> 02:58:27,690 He's gonna have some Chinese music. And all the time. It's 2736 02:58:27,690 --> 02:58:30,600 just nature. You can do what you want, but it's nature to want to 2737 02:58:30,600 --> 02:58:36,810 be what you own. I want to be with my own. I love my man. 2738 02:58:36,840 --> 02:58:39,930 I'm glad I witnessed him around while he was still alive and 2739 02:58:39,930 --> 02:58:43,170 kicking man what Muhammad Ali? What a genius 2740 02:58:43,889 --> 02:58:48,389 and go to conspiratorial mind. Isn't it amazing? They shut him 2741 02:58:48,389 --> 02:58:48,689 up. 2742 02:58:49,710 --> 02:58:52,590 No, it's not amazing. It's completely completely 2743 02:58:52,590 --> 02:58:54,180 understandable. Unfortunately. 2744 02:58:55,110 --> 02:58:58,320 What I mean is like, Isn't it amazing? That's the way he went. 2745 02:58:59,070 --> 02:59:03,150 And he didn't lose. Yeah, you're right. His physical capacities. 2746 02:59:03,180 --> 02:59:08,370 I mean, eventually he did. But he lost his valuable. Yeah. Me 2747 02:59:08,370 --> 02:59:11,820 and his mom was there still. That's the That's what really 2748 02:59:11,820 --> 02:59:16,650 has to be just couldn't come out. He was trapped pi. But what 2749 02:59:16,650 --> 02:59:20,190 I want to say, as he ended his statement, do what you want to 2750 02:59:20,190 --> 02:59:25,680 do. But when you start making people feel inferior and that 2751 02:59:25,680 --> 02:59:29,370 dignity, they may think, well, if I can join this group or that 2752 02:59:29,370 --> 02:59:32,490 group, then I'll be okay. And you know, I'm not saying this 2753 02:59:32,490 --> 02:59:37,890 about race. Now, this is in general politics. It's like a 2754 02:59:37,890 --> 02:59:40,680 lot of people have self loathing, and they like Oh, I'm 2755 02:59:40,680 --> 02:59:43,650 liberal. I'm liberal, you know, because I don't want to be seen 2756 02:59:43,650 --> 02:59:48,600 this way even though they disagree. They will change their 2757 02:59:48,600 --> 02:59:52,350 their ideologies to fit so they won't be seen as you know, 2758 02:59:52,380 --> 02:59:55,890 they'll be trained, what their how they were brought up. And 2759 02:59:55,890 --> 02:59:56,730 you see that a lot. 2760 02:59:57,900 --> 03:00:01,080 everywhere, not just a lot. You see it everywhere. All all 2761 03:00:01,110 --> 03:00:02,040 across the spectrum. 2762 03:00:02,550 --> 03:00:05,370 And that's what really to be honest with you. That's what 2763 03:00:05,400 --> 03:00:08,250 irks people about Trump coming down not to make it about Trump, 2764 03:00:08,250 --> 03:00:11,640 but for you. Because like a lot of white people from my 2765 03:00:11,640 --> 03:00:15,330 perspective, and I'm just the outsiders that. I'm just saying 2766 03:00:15,330 --> 03:00:19,710 what I see from the outside. A lot of people have people in 2767 03:00:19,710 --> 03:00:23,820 their family like Trump. And it's like, oh, God, they gave 2768 03:00:23,820 --> 03:00:29,040 him a bar that gave them a mouthpiece. I moved to the city 2769 03:00:29,460 --> 03:00:32,760 to straight escaped them. I moved to the coast, you know, 2770 03:00:32,760 --> 03:00:35,040 the coat, you know, the flyover country, they moved out of the 2771 03:00:35,040 --> 03:00:38,400 flyover country, and it's like, oh, god, my cousin is following 2772 03:00:38,400 --> 03:00:39,330 me here. Yeah. 2773 03:00:40,410 --> 03:00:45,780 That is definitely true. And yes, definitely. And, and a lot 2774 03:00:45,780 --> 03:00:51,000 of white people I know, are embarrassed. They're like that, 2775 03:00:51,060 --> 03:00:54,000 because of and so they're, you know, they're kind of on the 2776 03:00:54,000 --> 03:00:56,460 fence. And they they know that they're really like that and 2777 03:00:56,460 --> 03:01:00,480 they are kind of Mirka Maga. But they're embarrassed about it. 2778 03:01:00,510 --> 03:01:03,780 And depending on who they're around, or where they live, they 2779 03:01:03,780 --> 03:01:07,890 will often tone it down. I mean, it's so conflicting. It's so 2780 03:01:07,890 --> 03:01:09,090 toxic for everybody. 2781 03:01:09,120 --> 03:01:12,870 And black people are the same way. Sometimes we can be 2782 03:01:12,870 --> 03:01:17,070 somewhere we allow, I'm just being tell you, we allow you 2783 03:01:17,070 --> 03:01:20,730 come through come to our functions, we're gonna laugh and 2784 03:01:20,730 --> 03:01:25,290 joke, be loud, whatever. But when you're in an environment 2785 03:01:25,290 --> 03:01:28,350 where that's not call for words, like, you know, you got to have 2786 03:01:28,350 --> 03:01:33,330 some, okay, we're at the bank. It's like the place to be loud. 2787 03:01:33,330 --> 03:01:38,490 It's like when you see it, like, Oh, my God, you know, but it is 2788 03:01:38,490 --> 03:01:41,400 what it is. I mean, that's just how we are. But we got to be 2789 03:01:41,400 --> 03:01:44,160 honest and be open and say that's what the real problem is. 2790 03:01:44,160 --> 03:01:50,490 But we want to make some huge national concern. Oh, he's gonna 2791 03:01:50,490 --> 03:01:53,730 you know, ruin the democracy. Well, no, he just speaking for 2792 03:01:53,730 --> 03:01:55,920 other half the country all forgot about let's just be 2793 03:01:55,920 --> 03:02:00,240 honest. Yeah. But I digress. And speaking on that. There's 2794 03:02:00,240 --> 03:02:04,980 another gentleman that has been pushed to the margins. And from 2795 03:02:04,980 --> 03:02:07,710 some of his views, and I don't share all of his views. And like 2796 03:02:07,710 --> 03:02:11,640 I said, we just bring in clips from people that we find that 2797 03:02:12,120 --> 03:02:15,840 we've no interest in discuss. And even the mere mention of his 2798 03:02:15,840 --> 03:02:21,360 name will probably get us canceled. Yes. So this is why I 2799 03:02:21,390 --> 03:02:25,230 value for value is so important. And not to belabor the point. 2800 03:02:25,890 --> 03:02:29,280 Ministers spirit, Minister Farrakhan speaks one 2801 03:02:29,489 --> 03:02:33,389 and limitate your brothers and sisters like us, we have to 2802 03:02:33,389 --> 03:02:43,199 press the government for reparations. As long as you ask 2803 03:02:43,199 --> 03:02:50,609 for a job. And they don't have these days, are taking promises. 2804 03:02:52,799 --> 03:02:59,819 You're going along? To get on? Do you know why Elijah Muhammad, 2805 03:03:00,209 --> 03:03:05,399 put on the back page and Muhammad speaks? We want 2806 03:03:05,399 --> 03:03:09,509 freedom, full and complete freedom. We want justice, we 2807 03:03:09,509 --> 03:03:14,009 want equal justice under the law. We want justice applied 2808 03:03:14,009 --> 03:03:17,849 equally to all regardless of creed or class of color. We want 2809 03:03:17,879 --> 03:03:22,439 equality. We want equality of opportunity. And we want equal 2810 03:03:22,439 --> 03:03:26,849 membership in society with the best and civilized society. But 2811 03:03:26,849 --> 03:03:30,569 then in point number four, he says we we believe that those of 2812 03:03:30,569 --> 03:03:35,069 us whose parents, you know, have been here for 400 years, you 2813 03:03:35,069 --> 03:03:40,529 know, and we believe that you offered us integration as a 2814 03:03:40,529 --> 03:03:44,849 hypocritical trick. To make us believe that our 400 year old 2815 03:03:44,879 --> 03:03:49,469 enemy has now become our friend. We believe that this is the time 2816 03:03:49,469 --> 03:03:50,969 in history for separation. 2817 03:03:53,160 --> 03:03:57,090 You know, we could easily do an entire episode on Farrakhan just 2818 03:03:57,090 --> 03:04:00,480 I mean, I wouldn't mind learning a bit more than I know. 2819 03:04:01,800 --> 03:04:06,660 He's a very complex individual, and part of a very complex 2820 03:04:07,320 --> 03:04:12,030 movement of the Nation of Islam. But one thing I do respect about 2821 03:04:12,030 --> 03:04:16,620 them is their independent financial independence. And they 2822 03:04:16,620 --> 03:04:20,640 tried to create their own industry and a push to create 2823 03:04:20,640 --> 03:04:27,120 your own cash flow. Because I'll say this as a working man. The 2824 03:04:27,150 --> 03:04:35,730 uncertainty of knowing is this my last check? What will I do 2825 03:04:35,760 --> 03:04:39,780 you know, and the spec I mean, me personally, I will never get 2826 03:04:39,780 --> 03:04:42,330 caught flat footed because I always have a plan for a player 2827 03:04:42,660 --> 03:04:48,180 saw me so if it happens, it happens and I don't lose sleep 2828 03:04:48,180 --> 03:04:53,520 over it. But if you if that's your only means and source of 2829 03:04:55,410 --> 03:05:04,380 financial gain is a job. That's a very uncertain life. And you 2830 03:05:04,380 --> 03:05:07,410 top that with all of the things we talked about on the previous 2831 03:05:07,410 --> 03:05:11,370 50 show for a black person. That's, that's one you could 2832 03:05:11,370 --> 03:05:14,220 solve yourself. And like I said, it was different for people in 2833 03:05:14,220 --> 03:05:19,140 1960 1950s. Even our ancestors understood that that's why they 2834 03:05:19,140 --> 03:05:22,230 hadn't land they asked for land, they was like, You know what, as 2835 03:05:22,230 --> 03:05:25,620 much land as I can have, I can grow more crops and much 2836 03:05:25,620 --> 03:05:28,680 children I can have, I can have children and work those crops. 2837 03:05:29,820 --> 03:05:32,910 And we'll make it as a family is only that when we got caught up 2838 03:05:32,910 --> 03:05:37,800 in the industry, in the industrial lifestyle, that we 2839 03:05:37,800 --> 03:05:45,570 became vulnerable. Because our answers to say, you know how to 2840 03:05:45,570 --> 03:05:49,230 catch fish. I not a trap. I know how, I mean, I don't know how to 2841 03:05:49,230 --> 03:05:52,650 hunt. But my grandpa taught me is how you beat a rat boss. 2842 03:05:52,650 --> 03:05:56,010 Well, you might have put a rabbit in the pot one day. This 2843 03:05:56,010 --> 03:06:00,420 is real life. Yeah. But our children are vulnerable, are 2844 03:06:00,420 --> 03:06:05,160 vulnerable, because they don't have any means or have any 2845 03:06:05,520 --> 03:06:09,390 dignity from being able to own for themselves. And you always 2846 03:06:09,390 --> 03:06:12,270 push this you said, learn to code, learn to code because you 2847 03:06:12,270 --> 03:06:18,090 can code. That's a skill, right skill. And actually, every black 2848 03:06:18,090 --> 03:06:22,080 man over a certain age, they might do something for a job, 2849 03:06:22,170 --> 03:06:24,870 but also have another skill. Like my dad's skill was 2850 03:06:24,870 --> 03:06:28,650 painting. My uncle's we have brick layers, we had concrete 2851 03:06:28,650 --> 03:06:32,370 guys, we had carpenters, no, this is their skill. Now they 2852 03:06:32,370 --> 03:06:37,020 had a job doing something else. But if they ever hit the fan, 2853 03:06:38,040 --> 03:06:39,990 he's like, You know what I'm getting these rollers out, and 2854 03:06:39,990 --> 03:06:43,830 my dad taught me how to paint. So I know how to paint. Me, I'm 2855 03:06:43,830 --> 03:06:47,790 a pretty, you know, decent handyman. But these are things 2856 03:06:47,790 --> 03:06:50,040 like I said, you don't have these, this knowledge base, then 2857 03:06:50,040 --> 03:06:52,350 you're vulnerable. And this is the more important why fathers 2858 03:06:52,350 --> 03:06:57,840 need to be in the home. But I won't go there. Now, here is the 2859 03:06:57,990 --> 03:07:02,130 leverage point of reparations. And he's going to speak to this. 2860 03:07:02,610 --> 03:07:07,560 And I'll let him explain it and then I'll explain how I 2861 03:07:07,590 --> 03:07:12,180 incorporate it in my life, or in what we're trying to do now. 2862 03:07:13,320 --> 03:07:15,750 Sit down and be last Muhammad said, Well, I put it there, they 2863 03:07:15,750 --> 03:07:19,950 may never give it to you. But I want you to know what Justice 2864 03:07:19,950 --> 03:07:24,390 looks like. For you a white woman and a few dollars and you 2865 03:07:24,390 --> 03:07:32,700 think we made some unique rows, we'll sell out people out for 2866 03:07:32,700 --> 03:07:34,740 just a little position with white people. 2867 03:07:38,280 --> 03:07:49,710 You won't say you'll be paying your future of our people is 2868 03:07:50,370 --> 03:07:57,810 uncommon not to be compromised, will be dropped in the bottom of 2869 03:07:57,810 --> 03:08:01,560 the sea with a millstone around your neck to betrayed the 2870 03:08:01,560 --> 03:08:05,430 legitimate aspirations of our people. We got to come out from 2871 03:08:05,430 --> 03:08:26,310 among we gotta leave if you're putting it on the table strong 2872 03:08:26,310 --> 03:08:37,590 enough to come out of his seat. He's smiling. Are you? But if 2873 03:08:37,590 --> 03:08:40,800 you say no, wait, wait, wait, no, no, no, no smile. No, pat on 2874 03:08:40,800 --> 03:08:46,440 the back. Let's talk about reparations. When you see him 2875 03:08:46,440 --> 03:08:46,740 change. 2876 03:08:49,230 --> 03:08:52,230 I've never heard his last. I've never heard this. 2877 03:08:52,920 --> 03:09:01,350 I'm sure you have it. That last 30 minutes is the apparatus that 2878 03:09:01,350 --> 03:09:04,980 how we're using reparations. And what I mean by that is to the 2879 03:09:04,980 --> 03:09:08,970 Democratic Party, they'll smile. Oh, yeah. Thank you for your 2880 03:09:08,970 --> 03:09:11,790 vote, brother. Yeah, yeah, you know, vote Rock the Vote. You 2881 03:09:11,790 --> 03:09:15,240 know, that kind of thing. Yeah. But soon as we start asking for 2882 03:09:15,240 --> 03:09:21,660 something for our 40 plus years of loyalty to that party. Now we 2883 03:09:21,660 --> 03:09:25,650 see their true colors, shut up and vote. And that's what they 2884 03:09:25,650 --> 03:09:28,770 have. That's what people are saying to us. All their black 2885 03:09:28,770 --> 03:09:31,980 box if they're asking for anything. Do we not see 2886 03:09:32,010 --> 03:09:33,900 if you don't vote for me you ain't black. 2887 03:09:35,850 --> 03:09:40,770 Exactly. Now we're starting to see when you start to ask for 2888 03:09:40,770 --> 03:09:45,630 something for something that you have for them and return is shut 2889 03:09:45,630 --> 03:09:52,620 up. What gives you the right to ask me for anything? Who are you 2890 03:09:52,620 --> 03:09:59,370 supposed to be you're obligated obligated to give your vote to 2891 03:09:59,400 --> 03:10:05,160 us? and they've been very nasty, very nasty black box if it asked 2892 03:10:05,160 --> 03:10:08,250 for anything tangible, reparations? 2893 03:10:09,599 --> 03:10:13,739 How about a study California, but study some more, let's get 2894 03:10:13,739 --> 03:10:14,579 another panel. 2895 03:10:16,320 --> 03:10:20,520 And that's why I risk planning triggering people. I said, like, 2896 03:10:20,550 --> 03:10:24,600 oh, well, you know, but I want it to him that he said it. So, 2897 03:10:24,840 --> 03:10:28,740 point blank and matter of factly. They'll smile on your 2898 03:10:28,740 --> 03:10:33,060 face as long as you're giving them something. But when you ask 2899 03:10:33,060 --> 03:10:35,580 for something in return for what you've been providing them for 2900 03:10:35,580 --> 03:10:40,470 40 years, they have their people out here now telling you to shut 2901 03:10:40,470 --> 03:10:44,760 up and vote. Vote blue no matter who you say, you ain't black. 2902 03:10:44,760 --> 03:10:47,370 Let's go on unleash black blocks. You're saying just Who 2903 03:10:47,400 --> 03:10:49,470 are they to talk to us like this? 2904 03:10:51,540 --> 03:10:55,440 Well, every every country, every race, every group gets the 2905 03:10:55,440 --> 03:10:59,580 leadership it deserves. So that's exactly that's why we're 2906 03:10:59,580 --> 03:11:04,170 doing the work. We can ask you a question. But, yes, so just 2907 03:11:04,170 --> 03:11:07,170 because something you said triggered a memory for me or a 2908 03:11:07,170 --> 03:11:12,060 lyric. So did he win the OJ saying they smile in your face 2909 03:11:12,090 --> 03:11:17,100 the backstabbers? Were they referring to this type of 2910 03:11:17,100 --> 03:11:21,060 situation? Or just in general? Wow. 2911 03:11:21,240 --> 03:11:24,570 All right. I mean, they were just in general, but it can be 2912 03:11:24,570 --> 03:11:27,240 applied there because their music was very political. If you 2913 03:11:27,240 --> 03:11:27,780 actually listen 2914 03:11:27,780 --> 03:11:31,080 to it. That's what I'm asking. I've never ever viewed the Oh, 2915 03:11:31,080 --> 03:11:36,210 jesus political. Oh, man. No, brother. No way. I had never 2916 03:11:36,210 --> 03:11:41,280 thought of it until now. So they sweat your face. The 2917 03:11:41,280 --> 03:11:43,050 backstabbers do 2918 03:11:43,350 --> 03:11:46,740 now what about for the love of money? I mean, they were very, I 2919 03:11:46,740 --> 03:11:50,850 mean, yeah, they were very political, but not in the sense 2920 03:11:50,850 --> 03:11:55,200 that it wasn't like, um, dystopian. It was like very 2921 03:11:55,230 --> 03:11:57,300 upbeat. I mean, it was, 2922 03:11:57,720 --> 03:12:00,720 it was it was subtle and danceable. That's what made us 2923 03:12:00,780 --> 03:12:05,490 Wow. Hey, mind blown here mind blown I can't wait to tell so my 2924 03:12:05,490 --> 03:12:10,170 Dutch radio friends Hey man, you know that saw that was really 2925 03:12:10,170 --> 03:12:15,660 about perfect Yeah. Okay, well learn even more than wrap 2926 03:12:15,660 --> 03:12:20,430 up this last clip I'm gonna wrap up with this last clip here. And 2927 03:12:20,430 --> 03:12:24,060 these are this is from a very small podcast on YouTube we only 2928 03:12:24,060 --> 03:12:26,940 have like eight followers on the channel. So that goes to show 2929 03:12:26,940 --> 03:12:31,740 you how how deep I go when I go to seek seek these things out. 2930 03:12:32,160 --> 03:12:38,190 And this is to want to say I will say so called blacks I 2931 03:12:38,190 --> 03:12:40,830 don't know if you're a das or not. But they're talking about 2932 03:12:40,830 --> 03:12:44,910 when what happens when you take your black children to the safe 2933 03:12:44,910 --> 03:12:45,960 white spaces 2934 03:12:46,860 --> 03:12:55,200 that I to compromise I think I compromise their public culture 2935 03:12:55,200 --> 03:12:59,430 experience and did not compromise their in house 2936 03:12:59,430 --> 03:13:04,290 cultural experience. We got that a lot. But I compromise their 2937 03:13:04,290 --> 03:13:08,820 public cultural experience in some times of their lives be 2938 03:13:08,850 --> 03:13:15,270 life because of the of trying to keep them safe. But I have to be 2939 03:13:15,480 --> 03:13:19,290 clear as a guest I'm labeled a veteran parent now for anybody 2940 03:13:19,290 --> 03:13:23,310 else that has younger is out there that sometimes those safe 2941 03:13:23,340 --> 03:13:28,320 white spaces backfired and then I wasn't prepared for it. So no, 2942 03:13:28,320 --> 03:13:30,780 you take your you take your car to school, it's not getting 2943 03:13:30,780 --> 03:13:37,410 broken into. You're getting private school experience. 2944 03:13:37,830 --> 03:13:40,950 Though it's a public school. You know, you're in all the things 2945 03:13:40,950 --> 03:13:46,590 you want to be in. We know we're in this lovely neighborhood. I 2946 03:13:46,590 --> 03:13:49,800 mean, we lived in the suburb I lived in mockups Hill, we have 2947 03:13:49,800 --> 03:13:54,600 the house, the picket fence, the front yard, the backyard, like I 2948 03:13:54,600 --> 03:13:57,480 was like do it you're doing everything on associate. You got 2949 03:13:57,480 --> 03:14:02,400 it you have you have done all the things but then I wasn't 2950 03:14:02,400 --> 03:14:08,370 prepared to go see one of them in go to acquire show and be 2951 03:14:08,370 --> 03:14:15,900 like, Oh my gosh. out of 83 children, there's only three 2952 03:14:15,900 --> 03:14:20,370 that look like my baby what? They're doing a rendition of a 2953 03:14:20,370 --> 03:14:29,310 negro spiritual. Oh, wow. Why? Ah, 2954 03:14:29,790 --> 03:14:32,040 give me the name of the winner will make sure we promoted 2955 03:14:32,040 --> 03:14:34,590 properly taken from eight to maybe 18 2956 03:14:34,620 --> 03:14:39,600 is Anastasia Renee. I don't have the channel right offhand. But 2957 03:14:39,600 --> 03:14:47,940 if you search that as a m a s t a CI Renee r e n e on YouTube 2958 03:14:47,940 --> 03:14:51,270 and I'll be I'll have more clips from them. Because I think 2959 03:14:51,270 --> 03:14:55,110 you're so small that the pot on his tube comes out. 2960 03:14:55,410 --> 03:14:58,380 It's beautiful. That was really good. I liked that. That was a 2961 03:14:58,380 --> 03:14:58,890 good one. 2962 03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:05,010 So what they're saying, and this is the fallacy, they take these 2963 03:15:05,010 --> 03:15:12,270 children and put them in highly exclusive. I mean, what I mean 2964 03:15:12,270 --> 03:15:16,320 by schools is very few blacks, you knew that going in? I'm not 2965 03:15:16,320 --> 03:15:18,780 moved, I looked at them, okay? How many black people all you 2966 03:15:18,780 --> 03:15:25,170 have 2530 Okay, we're good to go. Now, cuz you don't want to 2967 03:15:25,170 --> 03:15:29,130 isolate your children off to where only three, like I 2968 03:15:29,130 --> 03:15:31,440 mentioned this to go back to with my college years, I was 2969 03:15:31,440 --> 03:15:35,820 like, you will be looking for black people. That's a very bad 2970 03:15:35,820 --> 03:15:39,060 feeling. And a lot of people who can relate to this, when you're 2971 03:15:39,060 --> 03:15:42,300 looking like, oh, what's the black person? You know? And they 2972 03:15:42,300 --> 03:15:44,490 like, Well, you see me given that nod, like, What's up, bro? 2973 03:15:44,640 --> 03:15:48,180 You're saying that kind of thing? Yeah, that's not and I'm 2974 03:15:48,180 --> 03:15:50,760 sure it's just that the shoe was on the other foot. If you take 2975 03:15:50,760 --> 03:15:56,160 me out and put me into, you know, anywhere in the world, 2976 03:15:56,190 --> 03:15:59,250 other than, you know, America, I'll be looking for will speak 2977 03:15:59,250 --> 03:16:02,040 English. You know, I mean, I mean, I do foster my speak 2978 03:16:02,040 --> 03:16:04,320 English because you're looking for some I, you know, I 2979 03:16:04,320 --> 03:16:07,650 hate to I had a similar version of that, you know, when I was 2980 03:16:07,680 --> 03:16:10,800 thrown into the Netherlands now, not that you could tell just by 2981 03:16:10,800 --> 03:16:13,800 looking at me that I was from America. But man when you heard 2982 03:16:13,800 --> 03:16:16,950 an American accent somewhere, and like, you know, just out on 2983 03:16:16,950 --> 03:16:19,980 the street like whipsaw neck around what? 2984 03:16:20,580 --> 03:16:23,640 Hey, hey, man, God, yeah. Hey, how 2985 03:16:23,640 --> 03:16:27,690 you doing? Yeah, and it wasn't just about the language. It was 2986 03:16:27,690 --> 03:16:30,300 about, you know, football. 2987 03:16:31,650 --> 03:16:37,710 Underneath understanding, understanding, yeah. One final 2988 03:16:37,710 --> 03:16:41,250 point I want to make is and this is where you're seeing these 2989 03:16:41,250 --> 03:16:47,400 people that claim to Black Lives Matter is because their parents 2990 03:16:47,850 --> 03:16:53,310 by these two, they take these children and they hyper they 2991 03:16:53,310 --> 03:16:56,100 push BLACK, BLACK, BLACK, BLACK, BLACK, BLACK, BLACK, BLACK, 2992 03:16:56,100 --> 03:16:58,110 BLACK, BLACK, BLACK, BLACK, BLACK, everything inside the 2993 03:16:58,110 --> 03:17:02,220 house. But don't prepare him for the world outside the house and 2994 03:17:02,220 --> 03:17:07,140 think the world outside the house is poster. A just to their 2995 03:17:07,140 --> 03:17:12,390 presence. It don't work like that. No. It doesn't work. And I 2996 03:17:12,390 --> 03:17:15,810 said it like that for purpose. It doesn't work like that. 2997 03:17:15,810 --> 03:17:22,710 Because who are you three people to come dictate to the other at 2998 03:17:23,070 --> 03:17:25,500 how things are gonna go, but that's what they go on to the 2999 03:17:25,500 --> 03:17:28,860 universe. Oh, we need a safe black space, you know? Oh, no. 3000 03:17:29,130 --> 03:17:33,240 It's like, why don't you go to HBCU if you want that 3001 03:17:33,240 --> 03:17:34,860 experience, because that's very 3002 03:17:36,240 --> 03:17:39,750 I don't know. It's rude. It's rude. Mo it's just rude. 3003 03:17:40,500 --> 03:17:44,220 Yeah, it's mad rude. To you to come for you to come to my 3004 03:17:44,220 --> 03:17:46,020 cookout. I want to play Kenny Rogers 3005 03:17:51,690 --> 03:18:00,090 if you could if you did that be we look like who the hell do you 3006 03:18:00,090 --> 03:18:04,380 think he's touching it touching the CD player. Alexa now I'm 3007 03:18:04,380 --> 03:18:10,530 gonna have CD players anymore. But yeah. I WUSA, this is what 3008 03:18:10,530 --> 03:18:22,530 you're dealing with. Hold on. Is this deep breath Wow. All right. 3009 03:18:22,890 --> 03:18:23,400 I'm doing 3010 03:18:24,750 --> 03:18:28,530 now this I was it's always enjoyable. I always have a good 3011 03:18:28,530 --> 03:18:33,510 time. For me, the cherry on top was the OG the OG days. But 3012 03:18:33,540 --> 03:18:39,960 that's just a personal thing. Every now okay, to wrap this up, 3013 03:18:40,530 --> 03:18:43,830 every single time we sit down to do the show. I think I kind of 3014 03:18:43,830 --> 03:18:46,920 know, you know, I think I know what I'm talking about. I think 3015 03:18:47,160 --> 03:18:51,510 I've done the work, you know. And every time man every time 3016 03:18:51,510 --> 03:18:55,260 you throw something new in there, and I know that you 3017 03:18:55,290 --> 03:18:58,710 you've got a plan and you know, it's like preacher mo here he's 3018 03:18:58,710 --> 03:19:03,240 pastor Mo, he's got a message and I really appreciate how you 3019 03:19:03,240 --> 03:19:09,180 are taking me but all of us on this journey. And it's very well 3020 03:19:09,180 --> 03:19:14,100 constructed. It's it's this is your skill. It's it's very I'm 3021 03:19:14,130 --> 03:19:17,880 really realizing every single time how skillful you are at 3022 03:19:17,880 --> 03:19:21,660 doing this. And and that's why again, I want everybody to 3023 03:19:21,660 --> 03:19:26,400 consider playing this with their kids because it's it's useful. 3024 03:19:26,430 --> 03:19:30,780 I'm I'm an older guy, I'm 56 you can learn a lot and I have moved 3025 03:19:30,780 --> 03:19:33,720 this right now. And it's It feels very good. 3026 03:19:35,640 --> 03:19:40,440 Hey, you know how you can learn a lot Adam. If you pay attention 3027 03:19:40,440 --> 03:19:43,950 to everything, then the truth reveal itself. 3028 03:19:45,870 --> 03:19:49,170 There you go again, that skill he's got ladies and gentlemen, 3029 03:19:49,170 --> 03:19:55,440 sue this silly. Okay, everybody, thank you very much. Please 3030 03:19:55,440 --> 03:19:58,200 remember to support the work when you do in the work the 3031 03:19:58,200 --> 03:20:04,260 business of the work. Go to mo fax.com or Moe F und me.com 3032 03:20:04,260 --> 03:20:07,230 MoeFundMe.com mo will talk to you next time man Thanks again 3033 03:20:08,220 --> 03:20:51,210 all right talk to you with you that smiles in the pocket 3034 03:21:17,760 --> 03:21:21,720 you might think I'm trying to be funny but I'm really serious 3035 03:21:26,220 --> 03:22:09,480 even though we will make it behalf of I'm a sigma and you 3036 03:22:12,030 --> 03:22:14,580 can see me comments just coming on