1 00:00:06,750 --> 00:00:11,040 mo facts with Adam curry for October 3 2020. This is episode 2 00:00:11,040 --> 00:00:17,940 number 50. And somewhere across the country from his secret 3 00:00:17,940 --> 00:00:22,770 hideout Mr. Mo facts Momo, how're you doing? 4 00:00:23,490 --> 00:00:24,900 I'm doing good. How about yourself? 5 00:00:24,930 --> 00:00:29,130 Yeah, good. I missed you, man. It's been. It's been one. Two 6 00:00:29,130 --> 00:00:32,040 weeks. Yeah, two weeks. Well, everybody knows that usually 7 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,980 something's going on. And of course this is not just any 8 00:00:34,980 --> 00:00:35,640 episode. 9 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:38,130 This is 50 10 00:00:38,670 --> 00:00:42,990 It's the big five. Oh, exactly. Exactly. Should we do we need to 11 00:00:42,990 --> 00:00:44,880 do a little bit of celebrating here is that 12 00:00:53,100 --> 00:00:55,950 we break 13 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,420 congratulations, Mo we made it 16 That's that's not bad. We 14 00:01:03,420 --> 00:01:04,710 have not pod faded. 15 00:01:05,820 --> 00:01:10,710 That is a significant number for me. I actually look at is like 16 00:01:10,710 --> 00:01:14,730 one season call me know, we normally do a show we give or 17 00:01:14,730 --> 00:01:21,030 take a couple of weeks. And then in between, but I guess this is 18 00:01:21,030 --> 00:01:22,950 the end of season one. I guess. 19 00:01:24,150 --> 00:01:26,580 That's actually a way to there's a way to tag that. I think 20 00:01:26,580 --> 00:01:29,880 there's a way to tag the number of episodes as the season. I 21 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:31,830 gotta look into that. That'd be kind of cool. 22 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:38,070 Yeah, so I'm just like I said, we started out without a plan. 23 00:01:38,730 --> 00:01:42,300 Just two people coming together having a conversation. And it's 24 00:01:42,300 --> 00:01:47,760 grown into what it is and I'm very happy. I'm very happy. 25 00:01:47,789 --> 00:01:51,179 You should also be proud man this really put something 26 00:01:51,179 --> 00:01:53,909 amazing together here there's even people doing no agenda and 27 00:01:53,909 --> 00:01:58,109 Mo facts meetups. Now it's like it's become a whole thing. And 28 00:01:59,819 --> 00:02:02,399 and I guess I should ask if you're planning it well, I don't 29 00:02:02,399 --> 00:02:04,409 know if we should ask now wants to I'm gonna ask are you 30 00:02:04,409 --> 00:02:06,629 planning on going on Hotep Jesus show. 31 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,900 I was asked and we just got to probably figure out the 32 00:02:12,930 --> 00:02:17,160 particulars of it. But that is part of the plan. 33 00:02:17,190 --> 00:02:18,570 You know why? I'm interested, right? 34 00:02:19,470 --> 00:02:22,890 Why is that sir? Of course because you just came off of it 35 00:02:22,890 --> 00:02:23,670 doing the work. 36 00:02:23,700 --> 00:02:27,900 Well does that well, there's that part. But also it's video 37 00:02:27,900 --> 00:02:32,400 show. So do we finally get to see the mysterious MO 38 00:02:33,450 --> 00:02:36,690 That is the particularly that we have to discuss. 39 00:02:37,920 --> 00:02:41,640 I knew it I knew I'm like he's not if he had got to shame you. 40 00:02:41,910 --> 00:02:45,030 Either. You are Denzel Washington. Or you're so ugly. I 41 00:02:45,030 --> 00:02:47,940 don't know which one it is Mo I'm leaning towards Dinsdale. 42 00:02:47,940 --> 00:02:48,240 But 43 00:02:49,620 --> 00:02:54,660 no, it was not that it's one I used to do music I still do 44 00:02:54,660 --> 00:02:58,230 music Yeah, but the reason why I never took it seriously is 45 00:02:58,230 --> 00:03:01,830 because I never wanted to be a celebrity right in the sense of 46 00:03:02,670 --> 00:03:06,300 face first so this podcasting what we do here is the best 47 00:03:06,540 --> 00:03:08,670 perfect fit for my personality. 48 00:03:08,700 --> 00:03:12,480 Well why don't want to do like like one of those DJs you know 49 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,160 put a big marshmallow on your head 50 00:03:14,970 --> 00:03:18,660 not gonna do that on the grill isn't like the grill is And 51 00:03:18,660 --> 00:03:20,730 correct me animation character? 52 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,870 Well, I'm sure you'll figure it out. I'm looking forward to it 53 00:03:24,870 --> 00:03:27,900 either way I'm just jazzed that you're that you get out there 54 00:03:27,900 --> 00:03:31,230 and people are hearing your message except not just through 55 00:03:31,230 --> 00:03:34,740 this through this outstanding product that we call mo fax with 56 00:03:34,740 --> 00:03:35,400 Adam curry 57 00:03:35,940 --> 00:03:39,240 a you know what Adam if this is it this is more than enough for 58 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,860 me and I'm gonna just I'm not being modest they're actually in 59 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:48,840 Miss we don't do a week I know people like oh well. It's got 60 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,360 some time it goes two weeks I actually missed those weeks 61 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:55,530 because this is a great conversation I have every week 62 00:03:55,620 --> 00:04:00,360 and we don't talk hardly ever outside the show so know it kind 63 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:01,260 of live when I get 64 00:04:02,850 --> 00:04:05,310 it I'm not doing it I'm not doing a podcast I'm just hanging 65 00:04:05,310 --> 00:04:08,250 out with Moe fine here and what he's thinking about exactly well 66 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,890 sometimes we do a little text if there's like something 67 00:04:10,890 --> 00:04:17,160 spectacular and of course now the the this scenario has taken 68 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:22,590 an interesting plot twist with 45 Savage down with the Rona so 69 00:04:22,980 --> 00:04:25,560 bogged down, man down 70 00:04:28,020 --> 00:04:35,730 what a we all great heels. Yeah. Is the comeback. So just be 71 00:04:35,730 --> 00:04:36,300 aware of that. 72 00:04:36,330 --> 00:04:39,990 Oh, you're so right. He's gotta have the comeback. Oh, my 73 00:04:39,990 --> 00:04:44,010 goodness. Wow. For another deconstruction another time 74 00:04:44,010 --> 00:04:46,530 right now I suggest we spin up that we'll have clips. Let's 75 00:04:46,530 --> 00:04:48,750 see. We're going to talk about today on more facts with Adam 76 00:04:48,750 --> 00:04:52,650 curry. Round the round goes the wheel of facts where it stops. 77 00:04:52,650 --> 00:04:55,710 Nobody knows well, Moe kind of knows because he's the one that 78 00:04:55,770 --> 00:05:00,180 puts it all together. The topic for episode number 50 is I 79 00:05:00,180 --> 00:05:04,500 prefer a Das. That makes very clear who you're talking about. 80 00:05:04,530 --> 00:05:09,750 I know that voice. I know that voice. Okay. Sounds familiar. 81 00:05:09,750 --> 00:05:12,540 Yes, it does. All right. Well, I don't know if I should be 82 00:05:12,540 --> 00:05:15,300 worried or not right now. It's like I'm getting my report card. 83 00:05:16,230 --> 00:05:19,680 Know what this is, is to catch everybody out. We have a lot of 84 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:28,500 new listeners, especially when you dropped that bombshell on 85 00:05:28,500 --> 00:05:34,620 the Rogan's show, so we go all over the place here. We don't, 86 00:05:34,830 --> 00:05:38,910 you know, whatever, hot at the moment. Sometimes we talk about 87 00:05:38,910 --> 00:05:41,970 that. Sometimes we talk about things that are nobody's 88 00:05:41,970 --> 00:05:46,710 covering. We call that all over the place. So with this episode, 89 00:05:47,070 --> 00:05:51,990 I want to go in chronological order. And I tried a fool's 90 00:05:51,990 --> 00:05:53,340 errand squeezing everything 91 00:05:54,990 --> 00:05:58,920 will be here until Sunday, everybody, but yes, okay. Right. 92 00:05:59,340 --> 00:06:05,760 No, but what the cut the cut off is 1619, which, that's 93 00:06:05,790 --> 00:06:08,250 what we're starting, are we any? 94 00:06:09,330 --> 00:06:12,810 Now that's, well, it looks like we're we're starting at me, but 95 00:06:12,810 --> 00:06:14,610 we're going to start there. Because that's the narrative. 96 00:06:14,820 --> 00:06:18,000 We're like, we say, we're not historians, what we do is 97 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:22,920 examine narrative. And that's where the narrative starts of 98 00:06:23,340 --> 00:06:27,660 the Athos lineage. And then we're going to wrap up somewhere 99 00:06:27,660 --> 00:06:32,640 around the civil rights movement. Now, it might not be 100 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:38,040 exactly chronological, but I think this will help people to 101 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:43,620 understand what our claim when I say our eight offices claim is 102 00:06:43,620 --> 00:06:47,040 the reason why it's a legal claim and not like a social 103 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:52,320 program or a welfare program, and then understand, it goes 104 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:56,700 past from from, from what we claim, we only want to be 105 00:06:57,180 --> 00:07:02,910 repaired from that point to the end of legal slavery, but the 106 00:07:02,910 --> 00:07:06,480 effects of it go way past the end of the legal slavery shirt. 107 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,390 And I want to illustrate that so hopefully, you know, I mean, 108 00:07:09,390 --> 00:07:12,150 it'll cover a lot of throwback clips, but I didn't want to keep 109 00:07:12,150 --> 00:07:12,600 it as like, 110 00:07:12,690 --> 00:07:16,590 okay, so, so show so if I understand so the how it's now 111 00:07:16,590 --> 00:07:19,830 this works is been a nice refresher course for people 112 00:07:19,830 --> 00:07:22,710 who've been along for for 49 episodes so far. But if you're 113 00:07:22,710 --> 00:07:25,800 brand new, it's a great way to catch up, you can always go back 114 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,040 and get all the detail in episodes one through 49. Is that 115 00:07:29,070 --> 00:07:30,510 do I mean my hair in that right? 116 00:07:31,140 --> 00:07:35,280 Correct. And it's going to be in as much chronicle chronological 117 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,130 order as possible. This will be exciting to see the build up. 118 00:07:38,340 --> 00:07:39,780 Yeah. Are we like 119 00:07:41,070 --> 00:07:43,860 an on ramp episode, if you're just joining the party, here's 120 00:07:43,860 --> 00:07:44,580 an on ramp. 121 00:07:45,420 --> 00:07:48,990 Correct. And now with that said, let's get on the on ramp with 122 00:07:49,350 --> 00:07:50,040 number two. 123 00:07:52,260 --> 00:07:55,500 In 1619, when the first Africans were brought to the British 124 00:07:55,500 --> 00:07:59,400 colonies by ship to Jamestown, Virginia, they held the legal 125 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:03,630 status of servant. But as the region's economic system became 126 00:08:03,630 --> 00:08:08,040 increasingly dependent on forced labor, we descended into 127 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:12,000 slavery. The institution of American slavery developed as a 128 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:17,340 permanent hereditary system centrally tied to race. Millions 129 00:08:17,340 --> 00:08:21,090 of black people were forcibly taken from Africa, crammed on 130 00:08:21,090 --> 00:08:23,940 ships and brought to the Americas through a dangerous and 131 00:08:23,940 --> 00:08:29,880 deadly journey that crossed the Atlantic. millions died. Once on 132 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,270 our shores slavery deprive enslaved person of any legal 133 00:08:33,270 --> 00:08:37,260 rights or autonomy, and granted the slave owner complete power 134 00:08:37,260 --> 00:08:40,950 over the black men, women and children legally recognized as 135 00:08:40,950 --> 00:08:45,570 property, an ideology of white supremacy, a narrative of racial 136 00:08:45,570 --> 00:08:49,170 difference was created to rationalize and justify the 137 00:08:49,170 --> 00:08:50,730 continuation of slavery. 138 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:51,750 Oh, okay. 139 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,050 Have I heard this clip? I don't think so. No, this is this is 140 00:08:55,050 --> 00:08:58,560 new. So yeah, we're gonna have some new stuff thrown in there 141 00:08:58,560 --> 00:09:05,040 to bridge together some gaps that we kind of didn't cover 142 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,490 because we never really wanted to focus on slavery, and I still 143 00:09:08,490 --> 00:09:13,650 don't want to focus on the ins and outs of particulars of 144 00:09:13,650 --> 00:09:19,440 slavery. But what can I go back for a second? Let me let me 145 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,840 start. Well, let me start at the end and go back to the 146 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:27,210 beginning. Okay. Right now and 2020. Black people will have an 147 00:09:27,210 --> 00:09:31,590 a maturation process politically. And in that, in 148 00:09:31,590 --> 00:09:36,510 that process, reparations, or as I like to newly call it 149 00:09:36,540 --> 00:09:40,710 atonement, and it's part of that, and that is the when you 150 00:09:40,710 --> 00:09:45,360 compare it to reproductive rights, the Roe versus Wade, if 151 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:52,470 you're talking about immigration rights is amnesty. That kind of 152 00:09:52,500 --> 00:09:57,150 is the heart as reparations is the heart as for this political 153 00:09:57,420 --> 00:10:00,450 maturation, okay. So I want to understand want people to 154 00:10:00,450 --> 00:10:03,000 understand like, how did we get here? 2020 having this 155 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:07,380 conversation? And that's why we're going all the way back to 156 00:10:07,380 --> 00:10:10,380 the narrative. Does that? Does that make sense? 157 00:10:11,759 --> 00:10:14,699 Yeah, it does. It does. Yeah. In order to understand how we're 158 00:10:14,699 --> 00:10:18,149 here today, we have to step back in time and bring it all the way 159 00:10:18,149 --> 00:10:18,689 forward. 160 00:10:19,439 --> 00:10:22,079 And the key word is narrative. Because at the end of that clip, 161 00:10:22,079 --> 00:10:23,639 I don't know if you caught it or not. Yeah, 162 00:10:23,700 --> 00:10:26,400 it was like a narrative was created for the embarrassing 163 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,140 situation that was at hand. 164 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:33,180 Yes. And I'm gonna jump out the window once again and say, the 165 00:10:33,180 --> 00:10:38,220 narrative of slavery is just as dangerous, if not as dangerous 166 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:44,070 or not as impactful as the actual actual sex. Yes, right. 167 00:10:44,100 --> 00:10:49,440 Yeah. Because this is what held us mentally captive. From, you 168 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:53,430 know, that late 1800s to 2020 is that narrative that has been 169 00:10:53,730 --> 00:10:59,730 created? And to do so we need to look into that narrative. So 170 00:10:59,730 --> 00:11:03,420 hopefully, everybody understands where we're headed and why I'm 171 00:11:03,420 --> 00:11:09,450 framing it this way. I think so. So, okay. So to get to that 172 00:11:09,450 --> 00:11:12,510 narrative, now, we got to go to throwback clip, and this is from 173 00:11:12,510 --> 00:11:15,480 show 38. And this is masa speaks 174 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,260 it possible that white people have something to do with the 175 00:11:20,190 --> 00:11:23,640 lack of ability for blacks to assimilate into this culture. 176 00:11:23,940 --> 00:11:24,720 Absolutely. 177 00:11:27,150 --> 00:11:33,150 A white man has certainly been prejudiced. And to quite an 178 00:11:33,150 --> 00:11:38,760 extent, unfair. But customers die awful hard, it takes takes a 179 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:43,260 long time. And everyone knew years ago that they never would 180 00:11:43,260 --> 00:11:48,060 have to be given the quality. But in the south, knowing 181 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:55,110 negligence as we think we do, we realize it would take time has 182 00:11:55,110 --> 00:11:59,670 been compared to straightening teeth, it takes a slow, steady 183 00:11:59,670 --> 00:12:05,940 pressure, you can't do it with a hammer. And, and white people's 184 00:12:05,940 --> 00:12:10,170 attitudes will change in time. I'm a lot more liberal than I 185 00:12:10,170 --> 00:12:13,740 was five years ago. And I know I'll be a lot more liberal five 186 00:12:13,740 --> 00:12:16,950 years from now. And I think almost everyone else is in that 187 00:12:16,950 --> 00:12:17,490 category. 188 00:12:18,089 --> 00:12:22,979 So what I catch in this clip is the term equality. And I hear 189 00:12:23,249 --> 00:12:25,979 this gentleman saying I'm a lot more liberal, I'm getting more 190 00:12:25,979 --> 00:12:28,829 liberal Mo. That's interesting. Yeah, context of what 191 00:12:29,250 --> 00:12:34,890 he says. First thing he says is we were unfair, which is synonym 192 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:41,280 of unfairness. And just or unjust, I think unjust, but so 193 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,880 if you're saying you're not you weren't in just, that's what a 194 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:49,440 legal claim comes in at like, Okay, you were unfair. Yes, you 195 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:55,050 have a descendant, Mr. Hastings, it's clearly a descendant of 196 00:12:55,050 --> 00:12:58,350 slave masters. And he's saying we were unfair to these people, 197 00:12:58,350 --> 00:13:02,310 we knew this. And we knew we're gonna have to let him go. But 198 00:13:02,910 --> 00:13:06,660 his mind is like, we need to go slow. We need to, you know, you 199 00:13:06,660 --> 00:13:10,170 can't can't trust them to be on their own. Even though, you 200 00:13:10,170 --> 00:13:14,400 know, these people were. Yeah, I mean, but that's that narrative 201 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:18,240 that was shaped in his mind. And in his forefathers minds, that 202 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:22,860 we are the caretakers of these poor, helpless people. Now fast 203 00:13:22,860 --> 00:13:28,950 forward. That's pretty much the political liberal mindset, that 204 00:13:28,950 --> 00:13:32,550 we have to think for these people. We can't let them off 205 00:13:32,550 --> 00:13:35,460 the plantation right away, you know, we got to feed them, 206 00:13:35,460 --> 00:13:40,260 spoon, feed them social programs and make, you know, make things 207 00:13:40,260 --> 00:13:42,630 like but I don't want to go there. But I'm just saying that 208 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:47,610 this mindset of Well, I'll let Mr. Hastings continue on and 209 00:13:47,610 --> 00:13:50,790 what his mindset and what he thinks black people were at the 210 00:13:50,790 --> 00:13:51,150 time, 211 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:53,370 what has tended to make you more liberal? 212 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:02,400 realization that the Negro as a human being like anyone else, 213 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,590 Mr. Hasty, what did you think we were before you began to think 214 00:14:07,590 --> 00:14:09,510 of us as human beings? 215 00:14:10,410 --> 00:14:15,120 Well, no, in a way, we thought of you almost as a very superior 216 00:14:17,850 --> 00:14:23,130 something or rather someone we had to take care of, because we 217 00:14:23,130 --> 00:14:26,670 had to do so much of their thinking for them. We had to do 218 00:14:26,670 --> 00:14:34,470 almost everything. For them, except living their own life. 219 00:14:34,470 --> 00:14:37,650 Anything outside we had to do for them. 220 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,920 And this is recording from 1968 Correct. 221 00:14:41,250 --> 00:14:42,960 1968 Yes. 222 00:14:43,350 --> 00:14:47,040 I was alive. I was alive. I was I was four. 223 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,310 Yeah, it was 20 years before I was born. So I mean, just put 224 00:14:50,310 --> 00:14:53,970 that in perspective. I consider myself a young person, a 225 00:14:53,970 --> 00:14:57,570 relatively young person. And for somebody to talk like to say 226 00:14:57,570 --> 00:15:02,400 that it was the real estate ignition light. It never dawned 227 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:08,040 on him. Now is he being? To be honest, for him to sit down have 228 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:12,000 this interview? I think he is being honest. Yeah, it's a 229 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,510 revelation to him to say, oh, you know, they are human. 230 00:15:15,990 --> 00:15:21,090 Because if you grow up for 6070 years, Rainford, three or four 231 00:15:21,090 --> 00:15:25,140 generations that they're not human. They're, you know, the 232 00:15:25,140 --> 00:15:32,100 livestock or, you know, property that things pet a pet. When he 233 00:15:32,100 --> 00:15:34,710 bought, it finally dawned on me because he made the, you know, 234 00:15:34,740 --> 00:15:38,190 the mission, that there are human, they deserve rights. They 235 00:15:38,190 --> 00:15:42,720 deserve justice. They deserve to be treated fairly. But now let's 236 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:49,740 the conversation of how do we go move forward? Right. And it's 237 00:15:49,740 --> 00:15:53,550 the same Congress conversation now, with so called black 238 00:15:53,550 --> 00:16:01,080 people, how do we move forward? Do we just, you know, give them 239 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,870 their reparations? If you're a lot of times people say, We're 240 00:16:03,870 --> 00:16:06,660 all they're gonna do a spin on Gucci? Well, I mean, it's, 241 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,290 it's interesting, you say that I just wanted to make this one 242 00:16:10,290 --> 00:16:14,970 point that when I was talking to Hotep, Jesus, he actually said, 243 00:16:14,970 --> 00:16:17,280 Well, you know, because we were talking about Trump's platinum 244 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,700 plan, which I just love the marketing of the platinum plan. 245 00:16:20,910 --> 00:16:23,310 He said, Well, what good is that? He says, they're just 246 00:16:23,310 --> 00:16:26,130 going to spend it on Gucci, and I. And what I didn't say, which 247 00:16:26,130 --> 00:16:29,220 I only thought of later, is I want to say, Hold on a second. 248 00:16:29,490 --> 00:16:33,840 What happened to blacks aren't a monolith. That was actually a 249 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,540 really stupid thing. He said, I was like, wow, I wish I'd come 250 00:16:36,540 --> 00:16:37,860 up with that at the moment. 251 00:16:38,940 --> 00:16:41,370 And it's funny, you said that because the money in the YouTube 252 00:16:41,370 --> 00:16:44,430 comments, were saying, Well, you need to give them jobs, or give 253 00:16:44,460 --> 00:16:47,430 us jobs. I don't know how he was how you actually find if he was 254 00:16:47,700 --> 00:16:51,480 paid off or not a Das, but he's like, what we need his jobs. And 255 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:56,550 I'm like to say that you're trying to say that there are 256 00:16:56,550 --> 00:17:00,480 some of us are not productive, and can't handle the influx of 257 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:04,290 money and can't help. So we need to stop that. Now. Yeah, nobody 258 00:17:04,290 --> 00:17:07,200 ever says that somebody is a victim of a car crash or a 259 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,920 workman's comp claim to say, You know what? Yeah, your honor. We 260 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,830 can't give them they're, they're just do because all they do 261 00:17:13,830 --> 00:17:18,210 going to do is spend it on, you know, Gucci, and Gucci judges, 262 00:17:18,210 --> 00:17:24,600 like No, something happened. You're the thought of it. Let's 263 00:17:24,599 --> 00:17:27,779 the tone, it's also just not true. And the more I think about 264 00:17:27,779 --> 00:17:31,739 it, especially with that analogy that you using, it's really a 265 00:17:31,739 --> 00:17:34,739 dumb thing for someone to say, especially from Hotep. It's 266 00:17:34,739 --> 00:17:39,149 like, wow, you know, I was just I wasn't awake enough to catch 267 00:17:39,149 --> 00:17:39,779 it at the time. 268 00:17:40,409 --> 00:17:44,249 Now, I will say this, there are going to be some people that 269 00:17:44,249 --> 00:17:47,999 misuse their money. Well, of course, of course, just like 270 00:17:47,999 --> 00:17:51,839 there are still people who misuse the the money that you 271 00:17:51,839 --> 00:17:56,939 receive for Corona. Yes, of course. So to say that, I mean, 272 00:17:56,939 --> 00:17:59,999 that's fine. That doesn't take away the fact that there's a 273 00:18:00,089 --> 00:18:02,729 legal claim to but I don't want to beat a dead horse. But I just 274 00:18:02,729 --> 00:18:08,849 want to lay out. This is the mindset. No, well, yeah, go 275 00:18:08,849 --> 00:18:09,089 ahead. I 276 00:18:09,090 --> 00:18:11,910 just want to recap. So I like how you put this because that 277 00:18:11,910 --> 00:18:16,830 actually helps me a lot. It was in just what happened. That's 278 00:18:16,830 --> 00:18:21,180 the legal event. Very much like a car crash. I like that 279 00:18:21,180 --> 00:18:25,110 analogy, right. And so now we have the determination. So we 280 00:18:25,110 --> 00:18:27,960 know who's at fault. There's actually it's, it's an admitted, 281 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:33,300 admitted mistake or fault. That way. Now, we have to finalize 282 00:18:33,300 --> 00:18:33,960 the payment. 283 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:39,030 Yes, that's all it is. It's just like a class action suit with 284 00:18:39,660 --> 00:18:45,090 Monsanto or anything else. You've harmed people. Now it's 285 00:18:45,180 --> 00:18:46,290 who gets to collect 286 00:18:46,350 --> 00:18:49,620 another name. The other great analogy. Let's keep that going. 287 00:18:49,770 --> 00:18:54,030 Just like Monsanto Very good. Yeah. What there's no difference 288 00:18:54,030 --> 00:18:56,190 is harmed one way or the other. Okay. 289 00:18:56,850 --> 00:19:00,540 Excellent. So I just want to lay out the claim here, because the 290 00:19:00,540 --> 00:19:01,260 claim Sorry, 291 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,200 I gotta interrupt you one more time, because you just chicken 292 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,780 my brain asleep gonna help you because I'm going to help the 293 00:19:06,780 --> 00:19:11,340 cause. This is like a shareholder class action suit. 294 00:19:11,340 --> 00:19:17,310 And I like this analogy more. Because you can say, being a 295 00:19:17,310 --> 00:19:23,580 DDoS is your representation that you own a share of stock, and a 296 00:19:23,580 --> 00:19:27,570 class action suit, they always say, Hey, were you a shareholder 297 00:19:27,570 --> 00:19:34,440 between this date and that date? So we can say between 6090 or 298 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:42,720 whatever, end date 1968. Here's your share. And they don't ask, 299 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,440 were you investing for day trading? Or you didn't ask any 300 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:50,460 of this stuff? Just did you own it? At this point in time, you 301 00:19:50,460 --> 00:19:52,920 will get a piece of the settlement. And that's a 302 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:54,360 fantastic analogy. 303 00:19:54,930 --> 00:19:58,110 And that's why we had to frame it as a legal claim. Because if 304 00:19:58,110 --> 00:20:01,320 you don't people think it's a social program or welfare 305 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:05,310 programs? Yes, it's really not a race. And you know what I'm 306 00:20:05,310 --> 00:20:12,390 gonna say this. Not every black person that has been in America 307 00:20:12,390 --> 00:20:15,720 was a match substantial amount of time come from the lineage of 308 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,840 slavery, correct. And once once we do the paperwork on most 309 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:23,520 people, they'll be set free from mental slavery, because it's 310 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,070 like, okay, we did the bat backlog, you don't come from 311 00:20:26,070 --> 00:20:28,200 linear slavery. Okay, now you're good. 312 00:20:28,230 --> 00:20:31,890 What's your excuse? Good. Now put this yellow star on your 313 00:20:31,890 --> 00:20:32,400 jacket. 314 00:20:33,690 --> 00:20:38,010 Now what that does is to say, Okay, now I can't be blanketed 315 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:42,390 and right with this victimization mentality, I'm 316 00:20:42,390 --> 00:20:46,020 free, you set me free to let me know, first of all, because I've 317 00:20:46,020 --> 00:20:48,900 said it on the show before, knowing our lineage is a 318 00:20:48,900 --> 00:20:54,060 tangible thing, because knowing where you come from is very 319 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:59,640 valuable, valuable and important, because I am 320 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:03,210 surrounded by pictures of my grandfathers and great 321 00:21:03,210 --> 00:21:06,030 grandfather's now look at these pictures, like who are you? And 322 00:21:06,030 --> 00:21:11,940 why what part of you am I am? What part of you is in me? So 323 00:21:11,970 --> 00:21:14,550 you know, these these things are important. And that's why no man 324 00:21:14,550 --> 00:21:17,250 house, those kinds of things are very detrimental, because you 325 00:21:17,250 --> 00:21:20,100 don't know who am I, you know, I mean, who can't fall you can't 326 00:21:20,100 --> 00:21:23,760 trace the lineage. Right? So I hope I'm laying that claim out. 327 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,520 And I'm gonna further lay the claim out because, as I say, 328 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,640 again, that's the majority of the underpinnings of the 329 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:34,500 maturation process of a das people. All right, so with that 330 00:21:34,500 --> 00:21:38,250 said, let's get into slavery to mass incarceration to 331 00:21:38,669 --> 00:21:42,959 American slavery was often brutal, barbaric and violent. In 332 00:21:42,959 --> 00:21:45,959 addition to the hardship of forced labor, enslaved people 333 00:21:45,959 --> 00:21:49,559 were maimed or killed by slave owners as punishment for working 334 00:21:49,559 --> 00:21:53,519 to slowly visiting a spouse living on another plantation or 335 00:21:53,549 --> 00:21:57,929 even learning to read. enslaved people were also sexually 336 00:21:57,959 --> 00:22:01,829 exploited. The United States Congress finally banned the 337 00:22:01,829 --> 00:22:05,459 importation of slaves from Africa in 1808. Slavery was 338 00:22:05,459 --> 00:22:09,449 widely considered a gross human rights violation, yet, 339 00:22:09,689 --> 00:22:14,039 enslavement was retained and persisted. The 1808 declaration 340 00:22:14,039 --> 00:22:17,459 caused the demand for slave labor to skyrocket in the lower 341 00:22:17,459 --> 00:22:21,389 South, and the domestic slave trade grew to meet this demand. 342 00:22:22,289 --> 00:22:27,149 Between 1808 and 1860, the enslaved population of Alabama 343 00:22:27,509 --> 00:22:33,419 grew from less than 40,000 to more than 435,000. In 1833, the 344 00:22:33,419 --> 00:22:37,049 Alabama legislature banned free black people from residing in 345 00:22:37,049 --> 00:22:40,349 the state, meaning that enslavement was the only legally 346 00:22:40,349 --> 00:22:43,139 authorized status for African Americans 347 00:22:44,490 --> 00:22:46,230 didn't know that did not know there's 348 00:22:46,230 --> 00:22:55,050 a lot to unpack in that clip. So this is one 1808 to 1860, 349 00:22:55,050 --> 00:23:00,540 slavery grows from 40,000 to 400,000. How does that happen? 350 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:06,750 So there's a narrative out there, that all of these people 351 00:23:06,750 --> 00:23:10,260 came from the west coast of Africa, which I'm not a 352 00:23:10,260 --> 00:23:14,940 subscriber to that I'm a subscriber to that was people 353 00:23:14,940 --> 00:23:18,630 that came here from Europe through transportation, or 354 00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:23,370 fleeing Europe that were so called Black. There were people 355 00:23:23,370 --> 00:23:28,560 here native to this land that were so called black. And there 356 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,720 were people that brought here from west coast of Africa. Now 357 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,530 what percentages of these three people that make up the Athos 358 00:23:34,530 --> 00:23:40,080 community, I don't know what I'm just saying, to grow from 1808 359 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:45,810 to 1860s 52 years, you go 10 Max on the population. And then they 360 00:23:45,810 --> 00:23:49,200 pass this law that says nobody in the state can be black and be 361 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,280 free. Now you start to see where this becomes a legal claim 362 00:23:53,310 --> 00:23:54,870 against the United States. 363 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,180 Yeah, okay. 364 00:23:57,780 --> 00:24:00,780 It's late. It's all legal. We're not talking about emotions. 365 00:24:00,780 --> 00:24:04,320 We're not talking about any of that. We're saying what happened 366 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,530 here? And nobody you know, we just gloss over these things. 367 00:24:07,530 --> 00:24:11,340 It's not an excuse. Oh, you were a slave and Kane came? No, you 368 00:24:11,340 --> 00:24:16,470 were slave every Labor humbly and yet came came he got your 369 00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:20,070 civil rights. Now, here we are. Yeah. Which is a lot of which 370 00:24:20,070 --> 00:24:23,190 we're not going to pack here. You're saying these numbers 371 00:24:23,250 --> 00:24:29,730 don't job. And we have to look at it two ways. Before 1808 You 372 00:24:29,730 --> 00:24:32,400 had the international slave trade where you're bringing 373 00:24:32,430 --> 00:24:36,600 slaves in from other places in the world. At that point, it 374 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,770 became legal to do so we said we have to start and this is where 375 00:24:40,770 --> 00:24:43,800 you start looking at selective breeding and breeding process. 376 00:24:45,030 --> 00:24:47,820 That has to be a part of it. It does 377 00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:52,440 it also and nothing 12 You dislike kind of covered this 378 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,800 where they were capturing free people? Yes, they like your 379 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:56,190 black 380 00:24:56,220 --> 00:24:57,990 going man or slave now right? 381 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:05,340 that and it was it was state sanction. This is not Oh, well, 382 00:25:05,340 --> 00:25:08,310 you know, it was kind of, well, no, you just don't understand 383 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,780 if someone was captured in the, in the in America, it was 384 00:25:12,780 --> 00:25:19,350 indigenous person. Now, they don't have the same lineage. 385 00:25:22,530 --> 00:25:26,310 Right? Now the lineage is American descendants of slavery. 386 00:25:26,340 --> 00:25:30,630 So it doesn't matter how you got in there, you were a slave at 387 00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:34,410 that point. And you were then subsequently, we have a lineage 388 00:25:34,410 --> 00:25:37,980 that leads to descendants of slavery. Exactly. It doesn't 389 00:25:37,980 --> 00:25:39,870 matter where you came from Africa or not. 390 00:25:40,410 --> 00:25:42,690 Here's the strangest thing I find. And it's a lot of 391 00:25:42,690 --> 00:25:46,500 historians that support me on my narrative. Everywhere in the 392 00:25:46,500 --> 00:25:50,520 world, you found heavy metal melanated people, no matter 393 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,640 where you go, you know, Australia, you have aborigines 394 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,510 everywhere, everywhere, except for America. We just gonna let 395 00:25:57,510 --> 00:26:03,630 that fly. I mean, I'm not trying to digress. I'm just saying. Not 396 00:26:03,630 --> 00:26:04,800 isn't that strange? 397 00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:08,340 Well, what do you mean? Isn't it strange? 398 00:26:08,820 --> 00:26:13,200 That you go everywhere in the world? Yes, fight heavy 399 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:19,320 melanated people is that for America? This landmass North 400 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,900 America, or the Americas that, you know, however, you want to 401 00:26:21,900 --> 00:26:26,250 slice it? No heavily heavily melanated people who here I 402 00:26:26,250 --> 00:26:28,830 digress. And I'm sorry for doing that. But I just want to point 403 00:26:28,830 --> 00:26:33,750 out that 40,000 to 400,000 number just sticks in my craw. 404 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,290 Like, how does that happen? Were y'all mass producing babies like 405 00:26:37,290 --> 00:26:40,590 that? Or right? Whereas a lot of free people hear that you're 406 00:26:40,590 --> 00:26:43,320 saying got caught up in slavery due to the changes? 407 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,260 So you're saying some you're saying something, I think I just 408 00:26:46,260 --> 00:26:50,310 want to make sure I understand it. You're saying is a Das is 409 00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:53,940 American descendants of slavery. And that doesn't necessarily 410 00:26:53,940 --> 00:27:00,690 mean that you came from Africa means you were legally enslaved 411 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:05,070 by a state of the United States a legal event. And it doesn't 412 00:27:05,070 --> 00:27:08,820 matter what your lineage before that is, at that moment, the 413 00:27:08,820 --> 00:27:11,910 lineage should pass his on, it's considered a DOS, 414 00:27:12,419 --> 00:27:15,479 right? Because they might have came here for like I say, 1492 415 00:27:15,479 --> 00:27:19,229 to that point. You had three people coming here from all over 416 00:27:19,229 --> 00:27:20,249 the world. Right. So 417 00:27:21,540 --> 00:27:25,200 owners were black, what's the cutting away at? You know, 1808? 418 00:27:25,230 --> 00:27:26,910 And what was the event in 1808? 419 00:27:27,510 --> 00:27:30,450 That's when they passed a law that they said, You can't bring 420 00:27:30,450 --> 00:27:35,220 any more slaves in on ships, basically. Yeah. I mean, if you 421 00:27:35,220 --> 00:27:40,620 if you homegrown, homegrown slavery. I'm not saying that 422 00:27:40,620 --> 00:27:43,770 it's like a comical but it's it's comical. 423 00:27:43,980 --> 00:27:48,300 But this is how you can have people who are seemingly for the 424 00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:50,910 eye white, but they can be a Das. 425 00:27:52,890 --> 00:27:57,390 Now, that's a slippery slope. With like I said, if they want 426 00:27:57,390 --> 00:28:01,680 to make a claim, I'm not I will be a hypocrite, to say if you 427 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,540 were Irish, you were brought here and transportation, you 428 00:28:03,540 --> 00:28:06,450 will make a claim. That's fine. I'm not saying that. What I'm 429 00:28:06,450 --> 00:28:11,370 saying is, there were some heavy, heavily melanated people 430 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,320 that look like me, that were on this landmass, and they were 431 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:20,760 enslaved. Prior to 16 like to just say that they say that's 432 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,750 the cut off. And for some reason, they may have been 433 00:28:24,750 --> 00:28:29,070 enslaved. And I know it's a hard thing to get your head around. 434 00:28:29,070 --> 00:28:31,740 But it's like those numbers don't make sense to me to jump 435 00:28:31,740 --> 00:28:32,310 like that. 436 00:28:32,670 --> 00:28:36,210 No, no, I'm totally with you. So part of it is I guess, as you 437 00:28:36,210 --> 00:28:39,180 said, possibly breeding program, but the rest is obviously 438 00:28:39,390 --> 00:28:41,370 grabbing other people who were just handy. 439 00:28:42,060 --> 00:28:44,850 And they 12 Years a Slave tell you that I mean, and they say 440 00:28:44,850 --> 00:28:48,270 we're free was black people own and black people. So if I'm 441 00:28:48,270 --> 00:28:50,310 gonna came here, just like you came here, it's like, how about 442 00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:56,400 jump you? I mean, like, How'd you get free? And like I said, 443 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:08,070 Musa, let's bring it back all right. So what we have to 444 00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:13,350 understand now it was what fueled the need for slaves. And 445 00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:16,440 there's two things that fueled it. One was sugar. 446 00:29:16,980 --> 00:29:22,530 400 years ago, this month in August 16 19, the first African 447 00:29:22,530 --> 00:29:25,920 slaves arrived in Virginia. It's regarded by many as the 448 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,580 beginning of America's long relationship with slavery, the 449 00:29:29,580 --> 00:29:33,780 400th anniversary, and the ways slavery has affected American 450 00:29:33,780 --> 00:29:37,050 history since then, are being commemorated. One of the more 451 00:29:37,050 --> 00:29:41,940 notable efforts is the New York Times 6019 project, which is 452 00:29:41,940 --> 00:29:45,930 spotlighting parts of history that are less well known. We're 453 00:29:45,930 --> 00:29:49,620 going to focus on some of the economic legacies, including the 454 00:29:49,620 --> 00:29:53,580 larger connections with modern capitalism. Specifically, we're 455 00:29:53,580 --> 00:29:56,340 going to look at how the production of American sugar 456 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,970 known as white gold helped to fuel slavery and became 457 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,890 ingrained in our society. Historian Khalil Gibran Mohammed 458 00:30:04,890 --> 00:30:08,040 of Harvard's Kennedy School wrote about that for the New 459 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:12,630 York Times, Louisiana, he wrote, led the nation in destroying the 460 00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:16,530 lives of black people in the name of economic efficiency. 461 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:23,880 Sugar was the most dominant economic incentive for European 462 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:30,270 colonization of the Americas. No other crop was as abundant or 463 00:30:30,270 --> 00:30:35,370 successful in drawing Europeans, to the shores and I mean by that 464 00:30:35,370 --> 00:30:40,140 North America and South America for the purpose of cultivating 465 00:30:40,140 --> 00:30:42,780 sugar for a worldwide market. 466 00:30:45,450 --> 00:30:50,490 So Sugar, Sugar brought him in. And we were familiar with the 467 00:30:50,490 --> 00:30:55,080 triangle. Atlantic trace Les, slave trade, you know, sugar 468 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:59,400 came, you know, from the West Indies came to America, America. 469 00:31:00,030 --> 00:31:03,630 gotta fix the room, and then it and you're saying they went back 470 00:31:03,630 --> 00:31:06,450 brought to Rome back to Europe, you know, brought back slaves. I 471 00:31:06,450 --> 00:31:10,200 mean, that's the triangle. No, I'm not oversimplifying it, but 472 00:31:10,410 --> 00:31:14,610 it just in that sense. So we have this product sugar. And 473 00:31:14,610 --> 00:31:18,300 that was the really the first cash crop that God America 474 00:31:18,300 --> 00:31:20,970 offers of his feet. So because a lot of people say, Well, you 475 00:31:20,970 --> 00:31:25,740 know, I'm, I didn't have slaves and my ancestors didn't have 476 00:31:25,740 --> 00:31:28,980 slaves. That's the argument, right? But there will be no 477 00:31:28,980 --> 00:31:32,580 America if it wasn't for sugar, or cotton, which we're going to 478 00:31:32,580 --> 00:31:36,690 talk about later. And if there's no slaves, there's no sugar. I 479 00:31:36,690 --> 00:31:40,410 mean, if you do the one to one correlation, we ain't sitting 480 00:31:40,410 --> 00:31:43,440 here right now, if it weren't for sugar for cotton. And those 481 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:48,060 two products thrive off of free labor. And it had they had to 482 00:31:48,060 --> 00:31:53,070 use free to human labor to even know sustain it. So you 483 00:31:53,070 --> 00:31:58,740 understand the crane? Please stop me. Slow me down. If I need 484 00:31:58,740 --> 00:31:59,790 to slow down 485 00:31:59,820 --> 00:32:02,220 No, I'm following along perfectly. 486 00:32:02,460 --> 00:32:03,960 It's gonna make it safe. 487 00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:08,640 I'm really numb. If you are, it's like the honorable mo 488 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:13,020 facts. Yes, sir. You have a claim to make a state your case? 489 00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:16,710 Yeah, no, I get it. And you've never done this. It's very 490 00:32:16,710 --> 00:32:17,640 intriguing. I love it. 491 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:23,550 No, the reason why I have to do this because you have to explain 492 00:32:23,580 --> 00:32:26,580 if you just over Gloucester dollars overseas, 493 00:32:28,020 --> 00:32:29,940 overseas satisfying. Yes, exactly. 494 00:32:29,970 --> 00:32:33,330 We were slaves. You owe us this. Like, my people didn't come here 495 00:32:33,330 --> 00:32:38,160 to know Ellis Island. What do I owe you? Well, you partaken in 496 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,460 the American system. This is like, I'm gonna draw analogy. If 497 00:32:41,460 --> 00:32:45,810 I go to Germany today and pick up a German citizenship, so I'm 498 00:32:45,810 --> 00:32:49,410 leaving America, they're going to take out a piece of my taxes 499 00:32:49,410 --> 00:32:52,890 are gonna go to Holocaust survivors. Correct? I can't say 500 00:32:52,890 --> 00:32:53,910 to them, Hey, 501 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,070 I'm not German. Right? 502 00:32:56,100 --> 00:32:59,010 I just moved here. 2020 Why you taking this out of my taxes? 503 00:32:59,490 --> 00:33:03,450 They're gonna say no, and the country we owe them. Because how 504 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:08,820 we how we failed them as a group of people. It's the same thing. 505 00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:10,740 Yeah, 506 00:33:10,980 --> 00:33:12,180 there's no doubt. 507 00:33:13,170 --> 00:33:17,610 What What will we go wrong? And I will say we as a, if we want 508 00:33:17,610 --> 00:33:20,940 to look as a group of people, we allow the people to speak for us 509 00:33:20,940 --> 00:33:24,120 to speak from a place of hatred. It's like you owe us Whitey, you 510 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,450 know, it's like, white people are like, I don't owe you 511 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:28,530 anything, right? 512 00:33:28,530 --> 00:33:31,770 It's, it's a difference between the entity or the corporation 513 00:33:31,770 --> 00:33:36,210 known as THE UNITED STATES. Who has a debt owed versus the white 514 00:33:36,210 --> 00:33:36,720 people. 515 00:33:37,890 --> 00:33:40,770 Correct. And that's why you see people going down the street, 516 00:33:40,770 --> 00:33:43,200 take people's foods and say black lives matter. You owe me a 517 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,900 steak dinner. You're like, no, that's not how this works. We 518 00:33:45,900 --> 00:33:48,720 have a claim against the United States government. Yeah, they 519 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,860 allow these practices going on. Now, if you're a citizen of that 520 00:33:52,860 --> 00:33:57,240 government, then you have to pay into it. dislike their people in 521 00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,520 internment camps. Dollar 522 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:05,100 Yeah, this is so sick now. Because I wish I had known this 523 00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:08,010 before I said anything before I opened my big mouth anywhere. 524 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:13,200 This is very Oh, no, no, bear with me. This is very this is 525 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:18,450 really, really critical. This is the distorted the distortion. 526 00:34:18,660 --> 00:34:20,430 Because of course, you know, like California, they just 527 00:34:20,430 --> 00:34:23,370 passed the bill. Oh, we're gonna do a study on reparations. Okay, 528 00:34:23,370 --> 00:34:27,420 we know how that ends. But it's all the narrative is white 529 00:34:27,420 --> 00:34:30,720 people did this to black people, instead of the United States had 530 00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:34,530 this, this system and then enacted these laws, and then 531 00:34:34,530 --> 00:34:38,190 that then that was an actual legal violation, no different 532 00:34:38,190 --> 00:34:44,490 than many other human tragedies that have been repaired one way 533 00:34:44,490 --> 00:34:47,670 or the other. And so this really gives you an identification 534 00:34:47,670 --> 00:34:52,050 factor, and it removes it removes color from the entire 535 00:34:52,050 --> 00:34:56,970 conversation. Correct? Gosh, I like it. 536 00:34:57,750 --> 00:35:00,630 But color does play into it because we all without thinking 537 00:35:00,630 --> 00:35:04,380 about the bottom is well, and the bottom was synonymous with 538 00:35:04,380 --> 00:35:07,680 color, but will. And that's why we get hairy when you start 539 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,520 talking about post slavery. And that's why I like to make a 540 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:19,380 clean case, we just need to talk about 1618. You know, I mean, 541 00:35:19,380 --> 00:35:24,150 it's gonna be 1619 to, you know, when slave slavery and that's, 542 00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:26,820 that's, that's what we frame it because, of course it's going to 543 00:35:26,820 --> 00:35:28,680 blossom out of there and it's going to, you know, it's going 544 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,860 to have ripple effects to you know, the lineage down the line. 545 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,820 But if you keep the case there, then you will be make an easier 546 00:35:35,820 --> 00:35:39,420 case for you for the, for the reparations, or what I call now 547 00:35:39,420 --> 00:35:43,440 atonement to happen. But I guess we have one more sugar clip, if 548 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,420 we add number seven, I think yes, getting to that one. 549 00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:48,420 And I know I'm asking you to skip over a lot of history here. 550 00:35:48,420 --> 00:35:52,980 But you move forward to today, to the to the 20th, and even 551 00:35:52,980 --> 00:35:58,260 into the 21st century. And you write about how the legacy of 552 00:35:58,260 --> 00:36:02,910 what happened in Louisiana and other places, still plays a role 553 00:36:02,910 --> 00:36:06,510 in the economy, a vital role in the economy of this country. 554 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:12,990 Well, if we go from sugar to cotton, we basically explain to 555 00:36:12,990 --> 00:36:18,000 crops that, in their totality explain much of the 556 00:36:18,030 --> 00:36:22,740 infrastructure of our capitalist economy to this day, we can 557 00:36:22,770 --> 00:36:26,940 explain everything from the abundance of land that was 558 00:36:26,940 --> 00:36:29,520 originally held by the indigenous and the labor of 559 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:34,110 enslaved people as America's competitive advantage. By the 560 00:36:34,110 --> 00:36:38,190 19th century cotton, for example, was essentially the 561 00:36:38,220 --> 00:36:42,480 major export of the United States. And that cotton export, 562 00:36:43,410 --> 00:36:47,790 helped make possible the wealth not only in enslaved people, but 563 00:36:47,790 --> 00:36:51,690 also the wealth of banks in the north, that were responsible for 564 00:36:51,690 --> 00:36:54,750 financing investments in this country there were often 565 00:36:54,750 --> 00:36:58,650 mortgaged on the basis of enslaved people. There's no way 566 00:36:58,650 --> 00:37:01,230 to really understand the economic might of America by the 567 00:37:01,230 --> 00:37:04,440 19th century, without understanding the role of cotton 568 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,810 slavery, and earlier sugar slavery in it. 569 00:37:07,290 --> 00:37:11,190 If I make make a comment, this is really fascinating. The 570 00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:17,400 American capitalist system which is is built on credit, debt, and 571 00:37:19,140 --> 00:37:25,290 commodities, really comes from this comes from this period with 572 00:37:25,290 --> 00:37:30,360 leverage leveraging humans as a commodity and an asset, directly 573 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,540 translated into the white gold that is sugar and later cotton. 574 00:37:33,540 --> 00:37:36,450 This this is mind blowing. I love this. 575 00:37:38,490 --> 00:37:42,030 Because sugar brought a man, yep. But cotton changed the 576 00:37:42,030 --> 00:37:49,710 game. And that's what really, it really upset the balance of 577 00:37:49,710 --> 00:37:54,210 power between the North and the South. You already had sugar, 578 00:37:54,210 --> 00:37:59,010 you already had the land in the south, you already had, you 579 00:37:59,010 --> 00:38:02,640 know, the agriculture, you had the free labor. And now you 580 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:07,950 thought this thing called cotton in which cotton? Well, if you 581 00:38:07,950 --> 00:38:09,960 have anything else further to say, because I don't like to say 582 00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:13,830 I won't. Somebody said about us interrupting. But that's part of 583 00:38:13,830 --> 00:38:18,000 the show. Yeah, what we do is because it's like, hey, stop 584 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,860 right there, because I don't want you to gloss over that 585 00:38:19,860 --> 00:38:20,280 point. 586 00:38:20,670 --> 00:38:23,610 So not only that, but I'm just trying to figure it out. And 587 00:38:23,610 --> 00:38:27,660 this light bulbs are going off the whole time. So this is this 588 00:38:27,660 --> 00:38:29,940 is how this is how it works. This is the only way it can 589 00:38:29,940 --> 00:38:30,450 work. 590 00:38:31,290 --> 00:38:37,050 So you we've laid out sugar free labor. Got America off to a 591 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:38,790 great start. Have a nation. 592 00:38:38,819 --> 00:38:40,019 Yeah, thanks. 593 00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:46,500 There you have the invention of the cotton gin, and the the 594 00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:48,150 cotton becomes king. 595 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,930 Cotton was a centerpiece of life in the American South for much 596 00:38:51,930 --> 00:38:55,740 of the 19th century, the well being of every entity in the 597 00:38:55,740 --> 00:38:59,460 region dependent upon the health of the annual cotton crop. The 598 00:38:59,460 --> 00:39:02,820 vast influence of cotton was found in virtually every aspect 599 00:39:02,820 --> 00:39:11,640 of southern life. The rise of the cotton culture during the 600 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,570 colonial and federal errors, upland cotton was not a 601 00:39:15,570 --> 00:39:19,440 profitable crop, because it was too labor intensive to remove 602 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,220 the seeds that changed with the invention of the cotton engine 603 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,630 or gin. In the late 18th century, when Eli Whitney, a 604 00:39:27,630 --> 00:39:31,500 recent college graduate arrived at mulberry Grove plantation 605 00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:36,120 near Savannah, Georgia in the early 1790s. He did not know 606 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,090 that he would alter the course of his young country's history. 607 00:39:39,390 --> 00:39:43,890 The cash crop in Georgia after the war is going to be tobacco 608 00:39:44,130 --> 00:39:50,610 for the 1780s and 90s. It's only in the 1800s when they figured 609 00:39:50,610 --> 00:39:54,720 out when you know 7093 is when Whitney invents the Gen, and 610 00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:57,870 figures out how to get those pesky seeds out of the center of 611 00:39:57,900 --> 00:40:02,580 upland cotton and it's Only then that it becomes even profitable. 612 00:40:03,210 --> 00:40:07,410 And so we see this switch over from tobacco to cotton. But 613 00:40:07,410 --> 00:40:11,520 interestingly, those who had become successful tobacco 614 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:16,230 planters and who had slaves to do the work are going to make 615 00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:19,860 that transition to the new crop very easily. plantation system 616 00:40:19,860 --> 00:40:22,860 is already there. It's just a different crop, they begin to 617 00:40:22,860 --> 00:40:23,250 grow. 618 00:40:23,910 --> 00:40:28,770 Wow, I also learned something that sounds really simple. I 619 00:40:28,770 --> 00:40:32,580 never really understood the term cotton gin. Yet because when I 620 00:40:32,580 --> 00:40:35,700 hear cotton I hear cotton here gin, I think alcoholic beverage 621 00:40:35,730 --> 00:40:38,010 I never quite understood what that was. And this may sound 622 00:40:38,130 --> 00:40:41,160 stupid, but now now I hear it was just an abbreviation for 623 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,020 engine. Now Hello. 624 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,340 Is what it would do it. As I said in the video. I mean, as I 625 00:40:47,340 --> 00:40:53,880 said in the clip, your cotton ball or the bloom had the seeds 626 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:58,770 inside of and it wasn't even worth the human effort to try to 627 00:40:58,770 --> 00:41:03,570 immune MC right? To make be able to to convert it to textiles. 628 00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:06,630 But when you have this cotton gin, come on, I think they said 629 00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:13,050 in 1793 Oh 15 years before this change, and now we're not gonna 630 00:41:13,050 --> 00:41:15,450 bring any more international slaves and we're gonna go 631 00:41:15,450 --> 00:41:19,140 domestic. Yes, that might be connected. 632 00:41:19,620 --> 00:41:24,480 Who knows to this just 10 times increase in driving? Yes, I 633 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:25,020 gotcha. 634 00:41:25,589 --> 00:41:30,029 So the once the seeds were removed, it's like, give me all 635 00:41:30,029 --> 00:41:33,629 the cotton I can get my hands on because now we can use this as 636 00:41:33,629 --> 00:41:40,109 textiles. And that made the explosion in America. And this 637 00:41:40,109 --> 00:41:43,769 is the case for saying there would be no modern day American 638 00:41:44,279 --> 00:41:49,889 if it wasn't for these inventions and the labor there 639 00:41:49,919 --> 00:41:53,969 because you still have to feed the cotton gin. Yes. 640 00:41:55,980 --> 00:41:59,670 Once the cotton gin was readily available, and cotton farming 641 00:41:59,670 --> 00:42:04,170 began to boom, the influence of the crop grew until a touched 642 00:42:04,170 --> 00:42:06,030 every aspect of southern life. 643 00:42:06,570 --> 00:42:10,290 Cotton, as James Sandringham went across the river said, 644 00:42:10,620 --> 00:42:16,290 became king, and it will economic policy, labor policy 645 00:42:16,590 --> 00:42:19,140 and politics before it was all. 646 00:42:21,870 --> 00:42:22,980 Raising cotton. 647 00:42:24,930 --> 00:42:28,980 Cotton is a plant that's been around for 1000s of years con 648 00:42:28,980 --> 00:42:35,010 can only be grown in climates that have a certain amount of 649 00:42:35,010 --> 00:42:41,160 days of sunny, warm weather. Cotton had to be hand picked 650 00:42:41,610 --> 00:42:47,310 until the mechanical picker was introduced in 1927. And it's a 651 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:52,530 very difficult crop to produce. You basically walk along the 652 00:42:52,530 --> 00:42:58,590 rows bent over and pick these bowls off one at a time, or very 653 00:42:58,590 --> 00:43:05,010 rough and then tear your hands up. A experienced cotton picker 654 00:43:05,010 --> 00:43:08,700 in the days before the mechanical picker could pick 250 655 00:43:08,700 --> 00:43:13,620 pounds of cotton a day. An average cotton bale weighs 500. 656 00:43:13,710 --> 00:43:18,180 So that gives you some idea of just how labor intensive it was. 657 00:43:18,180 --> 00:43:22,140 And that's why so many slaves were necessary for the cotton 658 00:43:22,140 --> 00:43:24,000 industry before the Civil War. 659 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:31,980 What what a what a tragedy that I watched roots 12 Years a Slave 660 00:43:31,980 --> 00:43:36,060 of course, in many other as you would call them trauma based 661 00:43:36,060 --> 00:43:40,110 entertainment products. None of them tells this story. 662 00:43:42,540 --> 00:43:49,020 Average cotton picker could pick 250 pounds of cotton a day. And 663 00:43:49,020 --> 00:43:52,680 it had to be hand picked. So that's what I'm saying even 664 00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:57,600 before 1927 Which slavery had will ended or we as we are set 665 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:02,010 to believe, and we'll end it right up to that point. So up 666 00:44:02,010 --> 00:44:08,160 until the end of slavery and 1793 I believe is the date who 667 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:12,060 was doing all that cotton picking you need humans Yeah. 668 00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:15,510 Without without without the so called Adolf person or black 669 00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:20,100 person. None of this none of this kicks off. And it's clear 670 00:44:20,100 --> 00:44:23,850 as day cotton became king as so much so it was one of the 671 00:44:23,850 --> 00:44:28,290 driving factors for destabilizing you know the union 672 00:44:28,350 --> 00:44:32,070 against the rights and against the Confederacy. Yep. You know, 673 00:44:32,070 --> 00:44:34,500 confederacy said we got the land we got the cotton we got the 674 00:44:34,500 --> 00:44:38,490 free labor rockin it here. As they said in the clip, they 675 00:44:38,490 --> 00:44:43,380 started to dictate political policy. Now here comes our 676 00:44:43,380 --> 00:44:49,620 claim. The way you shaped your nation was beneficial to the you 677 00:44:49,620 --> 00:44:57,660 know the the process of slavery. You are negligent as a nation, 678 00:44:58,140 --> 00:45:06,480 this is our claim. Very simple cut and dry. So without those 679 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,200 black hands picking those little white balls of cotton, modern 680 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:11,730 day America is not 681 00:45:12,449 --> 00:45:14,699 what it is today. Yeah, of course. 682 00:45:15,659 --> 00:45:19,079 I'm just, I'm just laying, I'm just, you have to do this 683 00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:21,869 because you hear so many arguments. And it's not the 684 00:45:21,869 --> 00:45:24,869 point about arguments, but we have to what we do here we 685 00:45:24,869 --> 00:45:30,149 defuse, and deflate their counter narratives. Yeah, to 686 00:45:30,149 --> 00:45:33,899 say, this is what was really going on. And what I'm using is 687 00:45:34,259 --> 00:45:37,829 just for point of reference, this is from the American 688 00:45:37,829 --> 00:45:41,369 history through the southern eyes. So this is not the north, 689 00:45:42,269 --> 00:45:45,989 or north sympathizers painting this, these are southern ears, 690 00:45:46,319 --> 00:45:50,489 telling you, hey, we wouldn't be who we was in the south, if it 691 00:45:50,489 --> 00:45:55,889 wasn't for cotton. And by you know, relation to that, without 692 00:45:55,889 --> 00:45:57,089 the aid of slaves. 693 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,040 Yeah, and it benefited the entire nation 694 00:46:03,540 --> 00:46:07,710 as a whole. With that said, I mean, you had the Civil War 695 00:46:07,710 --> 00:46:11,550 kickoff, and I'm gonna do a little fast forwarding here. And 696 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,180 the North wasn't doing so well. So now we gotta go back to 697 00:46:15,180 --> 00:46:18,450 another throwbacks This is those are all new clips. Now we had to 698 00:46:18,450 --> 00:46:20,700 bring in because this is why I had to do it kind of 699 00:46:20,700 --> 00:46:25,800 chronologically. Because we were all over the place. Because we 700 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,220 were the show takes us natural what we do, but now it's a good 701 00:46:29,220 --> 00:46:32,550 time to do some housekeeping, setting things in order. So when 702 00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:34,770 people hear things, they'll go back and listen to their 703 00:46:34,770 --> 00:46:38,130 interest in listen to the older shows. It gives them context of 704 00:46:38,130 --> 00:46:42,780 what we're talking about. Now, we're talking about Abraham 705 00:46:42,780 --> 00:46:46,410 Lincoln and the what the Emancipation Proclamation didn't 706 00:46:46,410 --> 00:46:48,000 do. Well, what the Emancipation 707 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,660 Proclamation was, was a presidential proclamation. And 708 00:46:51,660 --> 00:46:55,680 it was part of the war plans. So that in essence, what the 709 00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:59,880 Emancipation Proclamation did was, Lincoln realized that two 710 00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:03,480 things were happening. One is that there was a worry that 711 00:47:04,050 --> 00:47:07,410 European nations might support the Confederacy, there was also 712 00:47:07,410 --> 00:47:10,200 worried about how do we get more and more people to fight for the 713 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,650 Union? Cause after the initial year, people were saying, Well, 714 00:47:13,650 --> 00:47:15,870 you know what, I'm not sure I want to fight for this. And 715 00:47:15,870 --> 00:47:19,080 suddenly, Lincoln realized that he could have an impact on the 716 00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:23,010 south, by taking away workers and labor from the south, 717 00:47:23,220 --> 00:47:27,450 encouraging people to then come north, join the Union Army, so 718 00:47:27,450 --> 00:47:30,450 therefore, you'd have more soldiers and add a moral tinge 719 00:47:30,450 --> 00:47:33,420 to the war. So all of that was behind Lincoln's thinking when 720 00:47:33,420 --> 00:47:35,100 the emancipation was issued, 721 00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:41,580 the untold story of honesty. I love that. That was such a good 722 00:47:42,330 --> 00:47:48,210 it to bring in a modern context to that. This is why 45 Savage 723 00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:53,400 says, what he says about Abraham Lincoln, if you're not saying 724 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,650 he's correct, well, he does 725 00:47:55,650 --> 00:47:58,740 the most he does the typical things that I've done more for 726 00:47:58,740 --> 00:48:03,270 black people than anybody except Abraham Lincoln, possibly, 727 00:48:03,870 --> 00:48:07,020 possibly seat me knows the story. He knows what's behind 728 00:48:07,020 --> 00:48:07,320 it. 729 00:48:08,970 --> 00:48:11,850 Just to give a little context of what's going on, and you know, 730 00:48:11,850 --> 00:48:18,000 and today's time so here's Abraham Lincoln. Setting slaves 731 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:23,580 free in Confederate States was an act of war. It had nothing to 732 00:48:23,580 --> 00:48:27,360 do with his you know, his moral standing 733 00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:34,020 that's episode 37. If anyone wants to go back and hear the 734 00:48:34,020 --> 00:48:35,400 whole thing, it's well worth it. 735 00:48:35,790 --> 00:48:39,000 And just one more thing he said in there he had a fear of the 736 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:43,380 European nations supporting the south Why would they do that? 737 00:48:43,380 --> 00:48:46,260 Because maybe they could get a good deal on sugar and cotton 738 00:48:46,650 --> 00:48:49,500 the red it's like why go through the United States government we 739 00:48:49,500 --> 00:48:51,960 can go straight to the Confederacy right I wish to have 740 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,240 a couple of points off but you know, there's cotton and sugar 741 00:48:54,450 --> 00:49:00,450 you know, if you help us out this is way bigger than one man 742 00:49:00,450 --> 00:49:07,530 on it and another part on other people. This is this is this is 743 00:49:07,530 --> 00:49:08,100 America. 744 00:49:09,060 --> 00:49:12,510 This is no this is understanding the birthing of the country. 745 00:49:14,190 --> 00:49:17,130 And this is why when people say oh you should have left or why 746 00:49:17,130 --> 00:49:21,180 do you stay in America because my my lineage helped build this 747 00:49:22,350 --> 00:49:26,880 one cotton ball at a time when sugar cane at a time if it 748 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:32,190 weren't for those black hands we have we have we invested in this 749 00:49:32,190 --> 00:49:35,970 nation and we're not going anywhere and aren't they we and 750 00:49:35,970 --> 00:49:38,550 we're not you know what we're not even standing still waiting 751 00:49:38,550 --> 00:49:41,370 on reparations that atonement but that's not to say we don't 752 00:49:41,370 --> 00:49:46,050 have a legal claim to because I don't I want to get my Eric my 753 00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,410 everyday live wedding on a reparations check to come to 754 00:49:49,620 --> 00:49:52,920 know make me thrive or has me 755 00:49:53,250 --> 00:49:56,850 cesspool Has anyone ever brought this as a legal claim? 756 00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:02,040 Yes, Johnnie Cochran, actually And people want to talk about 757 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,820 the OJ Simpson theory and why they may be, you know, with the 758 00:50:05,820 --> 00:50:10,140 cell phone. And Brian, I think this was more. This was more 759 00:50:10,140 --> 00:50:13,350 upsetting because he was actually trying to do it through 760 00:50:13,350 --> 00:50:14,070 a legal claim. 761 00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:18,059 Right. Okay. Well, I don't want to drag us down. 762 00:50:18,809 --> 00:50:21,479 No, no, I'm glad you asked that question. Because I am our 763 00:50:22,199 --> 00:50:27,809 bigger fan. Here's, here's how I see it. If we can get it through 764 00:50:28,979 --> 00:50:31,259 government, as a governor in government, you know, 765 00:50:31,259 --> 00:50:35,789 politicians, that's one thing. But if you make it a legal 766 00:50:35,789 --> 00:50:41,069 claim, that you you're your ads to politicians then is how do 767 00:50:41,069 --> 00:50:45,959 you stand on reparations when you're selecting judges? Right. 768 00:50:47,279 --> 00:50:49,859 Totally different. Now. We're saying, let's fast forward to 769 00:50:49,859 --> 00:50:53,609 2020 Everything's about worst heartache on Roe v. Wade, when 770 00:50:53,609 --> 00:50:58,319 I'm speaking of is the new Justice there. Yeah. as a 771 00:50:58,319 --> 00:51:02,969 political tool, reparations, we start asking these people, what 772 00:51:02,969 --> 00:51:06,719 is your what is your? What kind of judges will you select? When 773 00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:11,849 it comes to judgments on reparations? I'm not looking for 774 00:51:11,849 --> 00:51:14,789 the government to solve this. Personally, me personally, I 775 00:51:14,789 --> 00:51:17,639 would like to see it not as a legal claim, because you do it 776 00:51:17,639 --> 00:51:23,249 as a legal claim. You have. And you get the judges say we okay, 777 00:51:23,249 --> 00:51:26,429 just say if we could get in a time machine, go back to 2016 778 00:51:26,999 --> 00:51:32,519 and say, Hey, Trump will vote for you. If you only appoint, 779 00:51:32,819 --> 00:51:34,799 oh, you know, those 100 appointments, you have a federal 780 00:51:34,799 --> 00:51:38,549 judges. And those two or three justices that you can appoint, 781 00:51:38,789 --> 00:51:42,719 only appoint reparation friendly judges, right. You have my vote, 782 00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:47,549 that's how I look at tangibles is not necessarily have to be a 783 00:51:47,549 --> 00:51:51,359 check written by the by the federal government, but you can 784 00:51:51,359 --> 00:51:55,709 do things through governing. And they will legal means that makes 785 00:51:55,709 --> 00:51:58,709 it easier in the in the court system. Yes. And I think 786 00:51:58,710 --> 00:52:01,710 that it possibly if the structure were to go through a 787 00:52:01,710 --> 00:52:04,860 legal process stay individual states may have different 788 00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:11,070 different levels of atonement, depending on what they were 789 00:52:11,070 --> 00:52:12,630 doing and how they were doing it. 790 00:52:13,260 --> 00:52:15,540 But if you're part of the Union, you're part of the Union. Yeah. 791 00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,560 All right. Yeah, you're absolutely right. I'm loving it. 792 00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,130 And you factor in the way that throwing money around now 793 00:52:26,130 --> 00:52:28,320 trillions of dollars. It's like, come on, I mean, 794 00:52:29,100 --> 00:52:33,000 oh, no. I mean, it's so obvious to me that we have to create a 795 00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,660 Bitcoin for reparations. I mean, this is a digital wallets for 796 00:52:36,660 --> 00:52:40,110 everybody. That's the That's my answer. Well, you can print that 797 00:52:40,110 --> 00:52:41,910 money is so easy. Apparently. 798 00:52:43,410 --> 00:52:47,220 It appears that way to me, but let's not get too far away from 799 00:52:47,250 --> 00:52:51,420 the trail. All right. Now, let's wrap up with a second clip from 800 00:52:52,290 --> 00:52:53,970 Emancipation Proclamation. 801 00:52:54,180 --> 00:52:59,670 What about the timing of it? Why did it come when it came on that 802 00:52:59,670 --> 00:53:03,030 day at that time, and as soon as you were just telling us, the US 803 00:53:03,030 --> 00:53:05,610 was already two years into the war by the time it was signed? 804 00:53:05,610 --> 00:53:07,050 What why that timing? 805 00:53:07,230 --> 00:53:10,350 Well, what's clear is that Lincoln felt that if he could 806 00:53:10,380 --> 00:53:13,410 end the war and restore the Unity without ending slavery, 807 00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:17,190 that would be okay for him. But by the time the Emancipation 808 00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:21,450 Proclamation was issued, Lincoln realized that he had to do 809 00:53:21,450 --> 00:53:25,260 something bold. And part of the timing was that he had been 810 00:53:25,260 --> 00:53:29,760 working on this for the whole summer. But he realized that he 811 00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,690 didn't have the sort of moral power to let this go until there 812 00:53:33,690 --> 00:53:36,930 was a Union victory. Because after all, what happened was if 813 00:53:36,930 --> 00:53:39,420 he had announced the resolution proclamation, and then there was 814 00:53:39,420 --> 00:53:43,020 a battle where the Union lost, it would seem like just words on 815 00:53:43,020 --> 00:53:46,050 a paper. So what he did was he waited to release the 816 00:53:46,050 --> 00:53:49,050 Emancipation till after they won the victory and Antietam in 817 00:53:49,050 --> 00:53:54,810 1862. That then made it seem in the minds of many Europeans not 818 00:53:55,020 --> 00:53:58,620 that the union was winning, and it gave more power more moral 819 00:53:58,620 --> 00:54:00,030 authority to the Emancipation 820 00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:06,750 honest a was a was a douche. She did have a moral fiber in his 821 00:54:06,750 --> 00:54:07,920 body apparently. 822 00:54:10,140 --> 00:54:13,320 He said it, he said and he said more and we're gonna get into 823 00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,110 that. So we don't really have to linger on that clip too much. 824 00:54:16,110 --> 00:54:19,620 But I just want to paint this picture of one Emancipation 825 00:54:19,620 --> 00:54:23,970 Proclamation did not bring any slaves in the union. So I just 826 00:54:23,970 --> 00:54:27,120 want to emphasize I want to address one thing, this three 827 00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,330 fifths a person Yes, three fifths the person thing was from 828 00:54:30,330 --> 00:54:34,230 the Union or the Union states at the time because when they 829 00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:36,180 wanted to count you know, I think for the House of 830 00:54:36,180 --> 00:54:42,210 Representatives, and it gets a little foggy but to me, but they 831 00:54:42,210 --> 00:54:45,450 want it the south wanted to count each slave as a person. 832 00:54:45,660 --> 00:54:48,450 But in that time, it was like okay, now you want to count me 833 00:54:48,450 --> 00:54:51,810 as a person but I'm a property me like on property when you 834 00:54:51,810 --> 00:54:54,780 it's beneficial for you. But then when it's not been an issue 835 00:54:54,780 --> 00:54:58,380 for you. You want me to be a human? But then the norm was 836 00:54:58,380 --> 00:55:00,780 like no, no, no, no, no, you can't Don't do that. And then 837 00:55:00,780 --> 00:55:03,360 they compromise what I call the three fifths compromise, 838 00:55:03,390 --> 00:55:04,950 you can't be a full human. 839 00:55:06,180 --> 00:55:09,570 So just to go to show you the difference between the union and 840 00:55:09,570 --> 00:55:12,360 a Confederate and I'm not poker Federer in any way, I'm just 841 00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,540 going to lay these things out as just so we can have a better 842 00:55:15,540 --> 00:55:21,600 understanding of the narrative of Abraham Lincoln, the great 843 00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:28,890 liberator he was drug are pulled or as the next person that's 844 00:55:28,890 --> 00:55:35,160 gonna speak Mr. LeBron Bennett Jr. He said He was whipped into 845 00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:40,560 morality, title on the book is Abraham Lincoln's white dream. 846 00:55:40,860 --> 00:55:41,730 What's that mean? 847 00:55:42,330 --> 00:55:49,770 It means that contrary to what most people think, Abraham 848 00:55:49,770 --> 00:55:58,080 Lincoln's deepest desire was to deport all black people, and 849 00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:04,110 create an all white nation. It sounds like a wild idea now, and 850 00:56:04,110 --> 00:56:09,090 it is a wild idea. But from about 1800 52 until his death, 851 00:56:09,810 --> 00:56:16,320 he worked feverishly to try to create deportation plans 852 00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:21,270 colonization plans, to send black people either to Africa, 853 00:56:21,540 --> 00:56:25,470 or to South Africa, South America, onto the islands of the 854 00:56:25,470 --> 00:56:30,600 sea, on December the first 18 162, in which he asked 855 00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:34,260 Congress to pass three constitutional amendments, one 856 00:56:34,260 --> 00:56:39,480 to buy the slaves second, to declare free all people who had 857 00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,930 actually escaped, but the third one, his proposed 15th 858 00:56:42,930 --> 00:56:48,330 amendment, asked Congress to allocate money to deport black 859 00:56:48,330 --> 00:56:50,070 people to another place 860 00:56:50,490 --> 00:56:54,150 wasn't at the like, as something off the coast of Georgia didn't 861 00:56:54,150 --> 00:56:55,590 wasn't at the plan at the time. 862 00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,450 I think, you know, I think that confused Jekyll Island? 863 00:57:01,710 --> 00:57:05,010 No, I thought there was also that his idea was he wanted to 864 00:57:05,010 --> 00:57:08,100 purchase some land. And that's where we deport everybody to. 865 00:57:08,820 --> 00:57:12,030 Now, I think it was Panama, if I'm not mistaken, he wanted us 866 00:57:12,030 --> 00:57:12,360 out. 867 00:57:12,780 --> 00:57:14,250 Out, move them down. 868 00:57:14,820 --> 00:57:18,120 The reason why though, if we're looking at the context of what 869 00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:22,140 we just covered in the previous clips, if you leave the black 870 00:57:22,170 --> 00:57:29,700 there, and you free him, that's still a source of labor. And if 871 00:57:29,700 --> 00:57:33,780 you're trying to destabilize the South, you have to remove their 872 00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:36,000 livelihood. Yeah, exactly. 873 00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,590 Because if you don't, then then they'll just rise again. So that 874 00:57:40,590 --> 00:57:42,150 so that was still outside intended. 875 00:57:42,210 --> 00:57:48,420 Right? Right. So that actually wasn't even. None of this is 876 00:57:48,420 --> 00:57:51,990 from from a racist standpoint, he was just like, how do I screw 877 00:57:51,990 --> 00:57:54,240 the South? Alright, let's take those. Let's take them all out. 878 00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:55,560 Let's move them out of the country. 879 00:57:56,820 --> 00:58:00,750 Well, Abraham Lincoln has his own thoughts that having an all 880 00:58:00,750 --> 00:58:01,650 white nation, 881 00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:07,320 and I make the point also, and almost everything I say in here 882 00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,890 I take from Lincoln from documents of the time. It was 883 00:58:10,890 --> 00:58:17,460 not just he wants to push black people out. He had an idea of 884 00:58:17,460 --> 00:58:22,230 this great giant vacuum sound, black people leaving and white 885 00:58:22,230 --> 00:58:26,100 people from all over the world, coming here and creating this 886 00:58:26,190 --> 00:58:31,230 all White nation. It's another back I say as you know, in his I 887 00:58:31,230 --> 00:58:38,310 Have a Dream speech at Alton, Illinois. And 18 158 He called 888 00:58:38,310 --> 00:58:43,830 for a haven of White Haven for free white people everywhere. 889 00:58:44,100 --> 00:58:46,890 The world over now these are Lincoln's were. And the 890 00:58:46,890 --> 00:58:50,460 interesting thing about that is that he underlined these four 891 00:58:50,460 --> 00:58:55,590 words free, white people everywhere he underlined. This 892 00:58:55,590 --> 00:58:59,640 was his I Have a Dream speech. He was passionately committed 893 00:58:59,730 --> 00:59:04,170 to, to deporting black people and creating a White nation, let 894 00:59:04,170 --> 00:59:11,070 me say extenuation. He believed that that was the only way to 895 00:59:11,070 --> 00:59:15,390 solve the race problem. I found that offensive and strange. But 896 00:59:15,390 --> 00:59:18,960 he believed that that was the only way to solve the race race 897 00:59:18,990 --> 00:59:23,130 problem. He said over and over again, he did not believe that 898 00:59:23,130 --> 00:59:26,970 black people and white people could live together inequality 899 00:59:27,300 --> 00:59:28,710 in the United States of America. 900 00:59:29,220 --> 00:59:33,630 Was this the House Divided speech? Was that the one? Ah, 901 00:59:33,780 --> 00:59:36,660 no, I don't believe so. Okay. I will 902 00:59:36,660 --> 00:59:38,520 pay no attention to me then. No. 903 00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:44,160 No, the points I want to make is with the what he's saying about 904 00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:50,640 Abraham Lincoln is he wanted to get all black people out who 905 00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,850 will be the new bottom because there always has to be a bottom 906 00:59:53,850 --> 01:00:01,320 right. white southerners everybody Yesterday, bro aim, 907 01:00:01,950 --> 01:00:04,200 because you always have that but the white South I'm sure it's 908 01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:07,890 like Hold on. Wait, get rid of our motto. 909 01:00:09,150 --> 01:00:12,210 Exactly. Otherwise Wait, who becomes the bottom when ours is 910 01:00:12,210 --> 01:00:13,200 gone? Oh, 911 01:00:13,410 --> 01:00:17,730 just just one and it infuriates me when these a lot of these 912 01:00:17,730 --> 01:00:23,100 smart talking heads go on with their Ivy League education and 913 01:00:23,100 --> 01:00:27,150 lament about all honest a How could trump say he's better than 914 01:00:27,150 --> 01:00:33,060 an honest eighth? And I'm not supporting Trump here. I'm just 915 01:00:33,060 --> 01:00:36,780 saying, if you know what I know this by looking at hearsay 916 01:00:36,780 --> 01:00:41,340 videos on C span and reading books by you know, by LeBron 917 01:00:41,340 --> 01:00:46,290 Bennett Jr. on his a wasn't that honest, and he wasn't that 918 01:00:46,290 --> 01:00:47,940 beneficial to black people. 919 01:00:48,930 --> 01:00:52,920 But didn't didn't seem like he was hiding it. Yet at all. And 920 01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:56,010 no one was talking about that no one no one was worried about him 921 01:00:56,010 --> 01:00:59,280 being racist back in the day. They were just worried about the 922 01:00:59,310 --> 01:01:01,830 the numbers and the financials and the mechanics of it. 923 01:01:02,730 --> 01:01:06,540 And that's what frustrates me yeah, you hear these talking 924 01:01:06,540 --> 01:01:09,210 heads go on television. And that's why it's even more 925 01:01:09,210 --> 01:01:12,060 dangerous when it's people that look like me would not share my 926 01:01:12,060 --> 01:01:19,080 lineage. It's not are you doing this? Honestly, are you up to 927 01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:24,150 this, to keep us in this mental slavery that we're in? Well, I 928 01:01:24,150 --> 01:01:24,870 when I say this, 929 01:01:25,379 --> 01:01:28,559 I would posit that a lot of the talking heads you're talking 930 01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:33,539 about have been programmed into thinking this way. So the the 931 01:01:33,539 --> 01:01:37,199 actual evil comes from where that the narrative has developed 932 01:01:37,199 --> 01:01:38,189 and is being taught. 933 01:01:39,690 --> 01:01:45,600 True. Very true. And that's at these liberal universities. 934 01:01:47,340 --> 01:01:50,730 Among all the facts here, I mean, just dig it, look it up. 935 01:01:50,790 --> 01:01:58,470 It's in the book. Um, so now we have to go to the actual 1619 936 01:01:58,500 --> 01:02:02,370 project and a podcast they have. And this is going to cover now 937 01:02:02,370 --> 01:02:07,290 coming. Let me let me fill in the blanks here. As there was 938 01:02:07,290 --> 01:02:11,430 one story where a general had taken on a bunch of runaway 939 01:02:11,430 --> 01:02:15,720 slaves, but they were weighing down on his resources, and the 940 01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:19,320 confederacy of Confederate troops were hot pursuit. And he 941 01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:22,860 had to make a decision. Do I keep carrying these people on 942 01:02:22,860 --> 01:02:27,660 with me, and they use up all my resources or union on general? 943 01:02:28,170 --> 01:02:31,770 Or do I get rid of them in some way. So they come to this 944 01:02:31,770 --> 01:02:36,510 bridge, maybe come to this creek is too deep to cross and too 945 01:02:36,510 --> 01:02:40,560 wide, they call it cross without a bridge. The Union soldiers go 946 01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:43,500 across the bridge. Now this is covered in Episode 36. You can 947 01:02:43,500 --> 01:02:48,930 hear hope was not spoiler alert. But this is from the 1619 Park 948 01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:51,870 official podcast from New York Times, of course, they get to 949 01:02:51,870 --> 01:02:55,920 the bridge, they cross, then they pulled the bridge up and 950 01:02:55,920 --> 01:03:00,330 leave the runaway slaves to be slaughtered and recaptured by 951 01:03:00,330 --> 01:03:04,560 the Confederate soldiers. Now, I say all this to say now, this is 952 01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:08,340 where we get to next to the clips. And this is what happens 953 01:03:08,730 --> 01:03:11,310 after the word gets back about this event. 954 01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:15,600 When work gets back to Lincoln Secretary of War, Edwin Stanton, 955 01:03:15,810 --> 01:03:20,610 he is outraged. He has Charmin pulled together a meeting with 956 01:03:20,610 --> 01:03:25,080 20 Black church leaders. There's a transcript of this meeting. 957 01:03:25,260 --> 01:03:29,460 And it shows that these two men Stanton and Charmin actually 958 01:03:29,460 --> 01:03:33,030 turned to this group of black leaders and asked them, What do 959 01:03:33,030 --> 01:03:39,180 you want for your own people. Speaking for the group, one of 960 01:03:39,180 --> 01:03:43,080 the men tells them, the way we can best take care of ourselves 961 01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:49,890 is to have land and turn it until it's by our own labor. 962 01:03:50,250 --> 01:03:54,150 That is by the labor of the women and children and old men, 963 01:03:54,570 --> 01:03:57,810 and we can soon maintain ourselves and have something to 964 01:03:57,810 --> 01:03:58,290 spare. 965 01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:06,660 This is where 40 acres and a mule came Of course, yeah. And 966 01:04:06,660 --> 01:04:10,770 the original claim. And it was made to the north, not the 967 01:04:10,770 --> 01:04:13,110 South. That's that's the idea 968 01:04:13,140 --> 01:04:17,400 crazy as it has, I mean, how history and that as we're 969 01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,890 talking about narrative has just been distorted and flipped 970 01:04:19,890 --> 01:04:22,770 around throughout history. That's, that's very, very 971 01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:24,330 interesting and disturbing. 972 01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:30,240 And I want to make one quick aside. Because you always say 973 01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:32,670 this, you just say you always gotta have your own platform, 974 01:04:32,670 --> 01:04:35,310 right? I mean, you can't be dependent upon, you know, 975 01:04:35,310 --> 01:04:38,490 YouTube or whoever else is gonna fill in the blank platform 976 01:04:38,490 --> 01:04:42,090 because they can they can own you in a way they do own you. 977 01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:46,260 Yes, they this is what the slaves were saying or the free 978 01:04:46,260 --> 01:04:50,370 slaves were saying, we want our own land. You know, we don't 979 01:04:50,370 --> 01:04:54,060 want if we have our own land and we can produce and you know, 980 01:04:54,060 --> 01:04:58,740 grow our own cotton and sugar and cash crops and come in and 981 01:04:58,740 --> 01:05:03,060 compete and compete. So I just want to lay that out there to 982 01:05:03,060 --> 01:05:07,650 people. It's important that independent and I hate to say 983 01:05:07,650 --> 01:05:14,940 this, but more media exists because we're able to go outside 984 01:05:14,940 --> 01:05:18,450 the narrative. And we really can't be like, shut down away 985 01:05:18,450 --> 01:05:23,160 because of the producers that keep us going test. I just want 986 01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,860 to point that out, you got to have your own land. I mean, now 987 01:05:25,860 --> 01:05:31,950 it's digital land. Its property nonetheless. So let's wrap up 988 01:05:31,950 --> 01:05:35,070 with the last 1619 podcast clip. 989 01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:45,150 And what's remarkable is that Charmin turns that request of 990 01:05:45,150 --> 01:05:49,500 those men for land to work for themselves into a Government 991 01:05:49,500 --> 01:05:56,010 Order. Special Order Number 15. It said that the government 992 01:05:56,010 --> 01:06:00,300 would take 400,000 acres that it had seized from the Confederacy 993 01:06:00,540 --> 01:06:04,080 and split it up among those 1000s of newly emancipated 994 01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:07,950 people. This becomes what is perhaps the most famous 995 01:06:07,980 --> 01:06:12,300 provision of the Reconstruction period, which we all know as 40 996 01:06:12,300 --> 01:06:17,790 acres and a mule. President Lincoln approves the order, but 997 01:06:17,790 --> 01:06:22,680 soon after he's assassinated. And Andrew Johnson, a Southerner 998 01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:25,590 who had once enslaved people himself, take some of the 999 01:06:25,590 --> 01:06:31,170 presidency and quickly overturns it. And within a few short 1000 01:06:31,170 --> 01:06:34,470 months, the small amount of land that had been distributed to 1001 01:06:34,470 --> 01:06:41,040 black people was returned to white Southerners. Oh 1002 01:06:43,020 --> 01:06:46,410 how inconvenient is little bits of history that we dig up 1003 01:06:48,540 --> 01:06:51,480 we've been at war with the south all this time. I 1004 01:06:52,620 --> 01:06:53,670 didn't even know it really 1005 01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:57,120 confiscate the land. I'm saying confiscate them. I'm speaking 1006 01:06:57,120 --> 01:07:01,290 from the point of the Union. Yeah, confiscate the land, and 1007 01:07:01,290 --> 01:07:05,280 ready to give it to black people who have been wronged or so 1008 01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:09,180 called Black people aid us. We ready to give back to the 1009 01:07:09,180 --> 01:07:09,780 Southerners. 1010 01:07:10,170 --> 01:07:11,670 How nice is that? 1011 01:07:12,569 --> 01:07:16,259 You tapped me out. We're not supposed to take this personally 1012 01:07:16,259 --> 01:07:16,919 on a level. 1013 01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:22,530 Yeah, totally. This is such a good way to do this. I really 1014 01:07:22,530 --> 01:07:26,640 like it's even better than those 30 637 episodes. It's just a lot 1015 01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:28,800 more coming just coming together. For me. I love it. 1016 01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:31,410 It's the people used to listen to the show twice, sometimes 1017 01:07:31,410 --> 01:07:32,880 just to catch all the nuance. 1018 01:07:34,380 --> 01:07:38,100 Yeah. And so what I said in the previous clip to this one is 1019 01:07:38,100 --> 01:07:44,250 that we have to have all land, which we do, you know, we have 1020 01:07:44,250 --> 01:07:50,700 our own thing here. But to keep that going is nothing but by the 1021 01:07:50,700 --> 01:07:52,410 producers who keep us going. 1022 01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:56,430 They do indeed. And we always like to let everybody know we're 1023 01:07:56,430 --> 01:07:59,520 about to thank them by bringing out one of our favorite clips. I 1024 01:07:59,520 --> 01:07:59,820 like 1025 01:07:59,820 --> 01:08:02,460 new money. I don't know if you do but I hate old money that's 1026 01:08:02,460 --> 01:08:07,260 wrinkled and dirty and got all the diseases on it. I like new 1027 01:08:07,260 --> 01:08:12,600 money. And when I give when I give things to people, I like to 1028 01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:17,250 give stacks of money. It's fun. You ever had a stack of new 1029 01:08:17,250 --> 01:08:30,360 money? Heavy? You haven't had a little snack? Oh and so I made 1030 01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:33,120 the on the big stack where it was brand new and I like brand 1031 01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:37,020 new money. I just I don't want any money around me. It's not. I 1032 01:08:37,020 --> 01:08:40,470 don't want to have a new one than a brand than an old 20. 1033 01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:43,980 That's kind of dumb. But there's something about new money that 1034 01:08:43,980 --> 01:08:50,280 excites you like $100 bills. owe money to the most beautiful 1035 01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:52,980 thing on earth is $100. Bill, I haven't seen a woman is good 1036 01:08:52,980 --> 01:08:55,950 looking at $100 bill. There's something about a bill 1037 01:08:55,980 --> 01:08:56,580 excitement. 1038 01:08:58,350 --> 01:09:01,890 That's right. We love brand new money stacks of dollar bills. 1039 01:09:01,890 --> 01:09:05,460 And there's no way we could ever make this show work with 1040 01:09:05,670 --> 01:09:09,510 advertisements or any commercial sponsorships because it is just 1041 01:09:09,510 --> 01:09:13,530 too controversial. And it always winds up where people want to 1042 01:09:13,530 --> 01:09:16,050 control what you say if they have control over your income. 1043 01:09:16,050 --> 01:09:19,470 So we decided to run this and produce this as a value for 1044 01:09:19,470 --> 01:09:23,220 value production, which means you can contribute whatever 1045 01:09:23,220 --> 01:09:26,100 value you get out of listening to the show. You can give it 1046 01:09:26,100 --> 01:09:30,030 back in time, talent or treasure. All of them are valid 1047 01:09:30,030 --> 01:09:33,630 and sometimes people pack it all up into one just in the donation 1048 01:09:33,630 --> 01:09:36,600 notes alone. So we want to thank what we call our executive 1049 01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:40,110 producers. And along with that also our Associate Executive 1050 01:09:40,110 --> 01:09:43,650 producers for episode number 50 of Mo facts with Adam curry and 1051 01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:48,270 it being episode number 50. Automatically anyone who did the 1052 01:09:48,270 --> 01:09:52,860 $50 to be an Associate Executive producer will also be an episode 1053 01:09:52,860 --> 01:09:56,100 and a member of the episode club which only comes around one once 1054 01:09:56,100 --> 01:10:00,150 in a while and we'll kick it off with the top supporter For 1055 01:10:00,150 --> 01:10:04,530 today, our number one executive producer is Hey idiot. A lot of 1056 01:10:04,530 --> 01:10:09,150 people have no agenda would know him as Baron Hey, idiots. And he 1057 01:10:09,150 --> 01:10:12,960 says this is a mate good for a pledge of $10 per episode of the 1058 01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:16,980 MO facts podcast, which he I guess he made that pledge to 1059 01:10:16,980 --> 01:10:21,690 himself. And he says, I would like you to undead dead beat me 1060 01:10:21,870 --> 01:10:24,960 and provide me with some more karma. And thank you so much for 1061 01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:28,860 doing the work. And all I can say is, Hey, idiot, Baron 1062 01:10:28,860 --> 01:10:31,860 hadiah. Thank you. We really appreciate it. 1063 01:10:33,510 --> 01:10:41,160 Congratulations, you're no longer dead. You've got a 1064 01:10:44,070 --> 01:10:48,510 great way to kick it off. We really appreciate that. Baron 1065 01:10:48,510 --> 01:10:53,580 Hey idiot, Matthew mess. Messrs sent us $250 Slow Mo anatomy 1066 01:10:53,580 --> 01:10:56,430 says congratulations, I show number 50. I've been listening 1067 01:10:56,430 --> 01:10:59,550 to the show since early March. Your show has been an invaluable 1068 01:10:59,550 --> 01:11:02,460 resource to help guide me through the Rona and the BLM 1069 01:11:02,460 --> 01:11:05,940 Movement. There have been so many eye opening moments over 1070 01:11:05,940 --> 01:11:08,940 the last 49 episodes, I can't wait each week to hear what Moe 1071 01:11:08,940 --> 01:11:12,150 will have for us all. I finally made it through the show backlog 1072 01:11:12,150 --> 01:11:15,090 and decided it was time for me to step up and fulfill my part 1073 01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:18,570 of the value for value model by giving you guys $5 For every 1074 01:11:18,570 --> 01:11:22,410 episode so far, wow, it's cool. Your information is worth way 1075 01:11:22,410 --> 01:11:24,630 more than that. But I got to start somewhere. And then again, 1076 01:11:24,630 --> 01:11:28,440 I'll say, that's the value. That's a lot of money for you 1077 01:11:28,590 --> 01:11:31,530 that this value, no one can determine what that's worth to 1078 01:11:31,530 --> 01:11:35,160 you than you. So that is perfect for us. And we appreciate it. As 1079 01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:38,070 a single male in his mid 20s I got a decent amount of free time 1080 01:11:38,070 --> 01:11:40,890 on my hands. And I'm interested in finding ways to spend my 1081 01:11:40,890 --> 01:11:43,860 extra time bringing a positive impact to my community. I'm 1082 01:11:43,860 --> 01:11:47,160 especially passionate about providing a positive male role 1083 01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:50,970 model experience to young boys lives. I had a lot of positive 1084 01:11:50,970 --> 01:11:54,330 male role male role models in my life growing up and we'd like to 1085 01:11:54,330 --> 01:11:57,870 provide that to others who don't have that privilege. Yes, parent 1086 01:11:57,870 --> 01:12:01,020 privilege is a big with us. I've looked into the Big Brothers Big 1087 01:12:01,020 --> 01:12:03,330 Sisters organization, but unfortunately with the Rona, 1088 01:12:03,330 --> 01:12:05,490 they're not accepting new volunteers. I was wondering if 1089 01:12:05,490 --> 01:12:09,150 you had any ideas, a good organization to donate my time 1090 01:12:09,150 --> 01:12:11,730 to any ideas you have would be greatly appreciated. Best 1091 01:12:11,730 --> 01:12:15,150 regards, sir dude named Matt, Matt Messer, and again, thank 1092 01:12:15,150 --> 01:12:18,780 you, Matt, for your for your support. Big Brothers Big 1093 01:12:18,780 --> 01:12:22,560 Sisters. I know. I've been both actually a little brother and a 1094 01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:25,980 big brother in the past. I don't know what else is out there. Do 1095 01:12:25,980 --> 01:12:26,700 you know of anything? 1096 01:12:27,389 --> 01:12:35,159 Your family? I'm sure. So right, man. So I say this to people all 1097 01:12:35,159 --> 01:12:38,309 the time. Like, for me personally. It's like what are 1098 01:12:38,309 --> 01:12:41,549 you doing for the community? Mo? I'm like, Okay, I'll start with 1099 01:12:41,549 --> 01:12:45,179 my kids. If I have any free time left, I deal with my nieces and 1100 01:12:45,179 --> 01:12:50,339 nephews cousins. You know about time I get down the line. I'm 1101 01:12:50,339 --> 01:12:55,619 out of time. That to a lot of people there's people that you 1102 01:12:55,619 --> 01:12:59,309 deal with every day that you could be role models for maybe 1103 01:12:59,309 --> 01:13:01,379 you don't know about maybe it's the distant cousin that you 1104 01:13:01,379 --> 01:13:03,869 don't know about. So start start with your family. That's that's 1105 01:13:03,869 --> 01:13:04,589 my suggestion. 1106 01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:09,030 Excellent idea. Do you want 25 from Steven page Hey, Mo it's my 1107 01:13:09,030 --> 01:13:12,960 birthday October 2 Things are rocky rocky again and things 1108 01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:16,560 slow slow down at work. So I could use a mo Carmen would like 1109 01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:20,850 to place collard greens and ham at the dinner table. My friend 1110 01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:23,640 Carrie always jokes about us opening up a soul food joint and 1111 01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:28,710 call it hunky lips with favorites like white dog. Do he 1112 01:13:28,710 --> 01:13:34,080 bite hot dog? White Hot Dog do we bite hot dog on a white piece 1113 01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:36,900 of bread? I teased him all the time when I make greens and 1114 01:13:36,900 --> 01:13:40,380 sloppy joes and send them pics. Public disclaimers are meager 1115 01:13:40,380 --> 01:13:43,740 page BLM Atlanta is not related and has never been related to 1116 01:13:43,740 --> 01:13:45,060 the page family of 1117 01:13:48,690 --> 01:13:49,470 Google in 1118 01:13:49,500 --> 01:13:55,590 Google land goosh goosh mo ko Hello. Dutch in Dutch. Anyways, 1119 01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,740 Virginia. Do you know what that is? A county that's near 1120 01:13:58,740 --> 01:14:00,660 you is not I don't know what that's? Yeah, I don't know where 1121 01:14:00,660 --> 01:14:04,500 goo goo land is I had to look it up googling County. I will have 1122 01:14:04,500 --> 01:14:05,100 to look that up. 1123 01:14:05,370 --> 01:14:10,260 Okay, so Stephen wants a jobs, jobs jobs and a WUSA we can do 1124 01:14:10,260 --> 01:14:10,710 that 1125 01:14:10,770 --> 01:14:16,080 jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. 1126 01:14:22,110 --> 01:14:29,040 On word to James Turner 193. And James sent us a note monad and 1127 01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:30,990 other rownum Oh, migrant here I've been listening since 1128 01:14:30,990 --> 01:14:34,500 episode 39 or 40 and have waited for a nice round number to 1129 01:14:34,500 --> 01:14:37,800 donate. So 50 It is thanks for all you guys do on the podcast. 1130 01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:40,620 It's nice to know that after listening, that I was never a 1131 01:14:40,620 --> 01:14:43,590 complete idiot when it comes to concepts of race in America but 1132 01:14:43,590 --> 01:14:47,250 the conversations you to have and most nuanced definitely high 1133 01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:50,490 highlight aspects of either not fully considered or not fully 1134 01:14:50,490 --> 01:14:53,850 understood as a white guy who grew up in the rural south, 1135 01:14:54,060 --> 01:14:57,180 though spent my entire adult life in urban settings. I 1136 01:14:57,180 --> 01:15:00,900 currently reside in Louisville, Louisville cola He says give me 1137 01:15:00,900 --> 01:15:06,360 pronouncing pronunciation guide Louisville, L O L VUL. But I'm 1138 01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:09,270 sending a year I'm spending a year working for the government 1139 01:15:09,270 --> 01:15:11,100 in the Middle East. It's difficult to watch what's 1140 01:15:11,100 --> 01:15:14,100 transpiring back there and causes great concern for family 1141 01:15:14,100 --> 01:15:17,850 and friends so close to the demonstration slash riots. If we 1142 01:15:17,850 --> 01:15:20,310 could get a few more folks listening to the conversations 1143 01:15:20,310 --> 01:15:23,580 on mo fax, maybe we could quell some of the foolishness and 1144 01:15:23,580 --> 01:15:26,640 focus on what matters. I know the folks in Louisville could 1145 01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:28,920 use a good dose of your conversations that might help 1146 01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:32,970 them identify who is there to mourn and express frustration 1147 01:15:32,970 --> 01:15:36,300 who was there to foment unrest? And who was there willing to 1148 01:15:36,300 --> 01:15:39,990 make things better? There are lots of good people and there 1149 01:15:39,990 --> 01:15:42,720 that have the ability to come together and make things better 1150 01:15:42,990 --> 01:15:46,170 if they can separate themselves from those that seek to sow sow 1151 01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:49,410 unrest, whether from the far left or right, could I get a 1152 01:15:49,410 --> 01:15:52,440 deep dead beating and a little more karma for the folks in 1153 01:15:52,440 --> 01:15:55,710 Louisville dealing with the unrest and having to unlearn to 1154 01:15:55,710 --> 01:15:58,440 likewise live with the COVID response of a pandering and 1155 01:15:58,440 --> 01:16:01,920 overly ambitious governor. Keep up the great work. Thanks again 1156 01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:05,910 for what you do here. This is Jim Turner. PS. Adam, I'm not in 1157 01:16:05,910 --> 01:16:08,640 show business, but I do understand how slash why people 1158 01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:12,180 show up as guests on TV, radio or podcast. Regardless, you're 1159 01:16:12,180 --> 01:16:18,420 painting me as a dumbass. Agenda 1250 I have no idea what I said. 1160 01:16:19,050 --> 01:16:22,800 But I apologize. I don't think I ever intended you to say you're 1161 01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:26,280 a dumbass. But I have to go back and listen to it and of course 1162 01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:28,110 we have your request ready, sir? 1163 01:16:29,970 --> 01:16:42,180 Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat. David McNally 1164 01:16:42,180 --> 01:16:47,400 McCann Magana Lee sends us $100 A says that $50 times two for 1165 01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:50,880 the 50 episodes times to great tutors and hosts thank you both 1166 01:16:51,060 --> 01:16:56,100 sir Davey of the sooner stage and we thank you sir. Dame J of 1167 01:16:56,100 --> 01:16:59,520 the angry clouds, who actually would like to be credited as no 1168 01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:02,220 agenda Dame J of the angry clouds. I'm no longer a 1169 01:17:02,220 --> 01:17:04,950 deadbeat. Thanks to both of you for doing the work. Well, I 1170 01:17:05,250 --> 01:17:06,120 gotta give you this. 1171 01:17:06,630 --> 01:17:11,910 Congratulation. You're no longer a deadbeat. 1172 01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:16,440 Our next executive producer is Chism. Cooke, Moe says Chisholm. 1173 01:17:16,470 --> 01:17:19,530 I'm sure you've heard this a lot lady lately, but I'm one of your 1174 01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:26,730 new followers via the JRE rabbit hole. Yes, a Jomo. Jomo 1175 01:17:27,180 --> 01:17:30,330 producer. I've been obsessing about the obvious cultural war 1176 01:17:30,330 --> 01:17:34,410 against manhood for years now. I had these disjointed thoughts, 1177 01:17:34,440 --> 01:17:37,470 observations, concerns that are often hard to thread together 1178 01:17:37,470 --> 01:17:40,350 and even harder to convey to others. I just want to say thank 1179 01:17:40,350 --> 01:17:42,780 you very much for stitching together this quilt of 1180 01:17:42,780 --> 01:17:46,860 deception, and for confirming that I'm not in fact, insane. 1181 01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:50,820 Like you, I believe that godly masculine virtue is the only 1182 01:17:50,820 --> 01:17:53,790 thing that can deliver us from this moment of chaos. You've 1183 01:17:53,790 --> 01:17:57,120 helped me realize that black American men aid or specifically 1184 01:17:57,270 --> 01:18:00,450 are key to restoring some semblance of spiritual order. 1185 01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:04,440 It's time for good family men of all colors and creeds to stand 1186 01:18:04,440 --> 01:18:08,160 up alongside their godly women and say enough, keep up the 1187 01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:11,490 phenomenal work, sir and Godspeed. PS a friend of mine 1188 01:18:11,490 --> 01:18:14,430 and I have started our own podcast justified pursuit. We're 1189 01:18:14,430 --> 01:18:17,160 just getting going and like you we have a lot to say. So it's a 1190 01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:19,830 work in progress. I hope you don't mind me leaning on and 1191 01:18:19,830 --> 01:18:21,960 building off your teaching. Well, I don't think we have any 1192 01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:24,960 problem with that. Our third episode on quote, toxic 1193 01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:29,310 masculinity drops tomorrow. And that so that may be already out 1194 01:18:29,310 --> 01:18:32,640 I guess, PPS that you've convinced me on reparations for 1195 01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:35,070 Athos, generally speaking, not preferring not referring to the 1196 01:18:35,070 --> 01:18:38,670 group. I have a campaign slash proposition I'd like to share I 1197 01:18:38,670 --> 01:18:41,130 would like to continue to pay Social Security for the rest of 1198 01:18:41,130 --> 01:18:44,640 my life, but forego my retirement checks in order to 1199 01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:48,360 fund reparations to aid us in addition, I propose giving eight 1200 01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:51,360 US people the choice between a check or a lifetime exemption 1201 01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:54,600 from federal income tax. The only thing I've thought of so 1202 01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:58,020 far that I would need to secure such proposal would be a cap on 1203 01:18:58,020 --> 01:19:01,110 my Social Security tax rate for life. I think this is a 1204 01:19:01,110 --> 01:19:03,990 proposition that a lot of post Boomer Americans could get 1205 01:19:03,990 --> 01:19:07,200 behind. It might even reduce the country's social security 1206 01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:10,740 liabilities and stave off the pending collapse of that system. 1207 01:19:10,740 --> 01:19:12,870 We'd love to hear your thoughts on that. God bless brother, 1208 01:19:13,050 --> 01:19:19,260 Chisholm cook. Well, there's a lot there. It certainly rivals 1209 01:19:19,260 --> 01:19:23,490 some of the reparations for Holocaust survivors to a degree. 1210 01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:29,700 But I kind of liked the idea of it being the corporation, known 1211 01:19:29,700 --> 01:19:33,360 as the United States. You know, it's not like we created the 1212 01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:39,900 stimulus money $8 trillion. And you had to pay for it upfront to 1213 01:19:39,900 --> 01:19:45,360 extend it to somebody else. It was created out of magic. I'm 1214 01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:47,190 just calling and that's because it's easier. So 1215 01:19:47,190 --> 01:19:52,080 that's the most unsettling way. It's like, Oh, no. All this 1216 01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:55,620 money flying around over Corona and you threw some number out 1217 01:19:55,620 --> 01:19:59,220 there per case they were throwing around like in the 1218 01:19:59,220 --> 01:20:00,900 hundreds of 1000s Whoa, 1219 01:20:00,900 --> 01:20:05,580 yeah, in some cases $200,000 per case in certain states for 1220 01:20:05,580 --> 01:20:10,890 Medicare Yeah. Easy peasy. Yeah. Now that does get paid in as a 1221 01:20:10,890 --> 01:20:14,880 tax. And of course, you have to pay the ferry man somewhere 1222 01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:18,570 download down the road. But I do like the idea of reversing it 1223 01:20:18,570 --> 01:20:23,040 being a no tax. I mean, wow, what a great way to do it. So no 1224 01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:25,320 income tax until x or 1225 01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:31,920 whatever that is that is. All these things can be discussed. 1226 01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:35,400 And that's what politician had discussed with us. But it has to 1227 01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:41,400 be something that you can see touch feel a tangible. Yes. 1228 01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:45,840 Onward with Timothy Vita, Fein are Whitfield. Gentlemen, thank 1229 01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:48,570 you for this education. I really appreciate the opportunity. Oh, 1230 01:20:48,570 --> 01:20:52,530 wait, I think I missed the D deadbeat for Chisholm. Make sure 1231 01:20:52,530 --> 01:20:52,800 I do. 1232 01:20:54,690 --> 01:20:58,350 Congratulation, you're no longer 1233 01:20:58,530 --> 01:21:01,920 dead there's so much to read. I'm just doing it just in case. 1234 01:21:02,970 --> 01:21:05,700 So Timothy would mean says I'm celebrating the 50th episode 1235 01:21:05,700 --> 01:21:10,020 with my with $50 and my 50th birthday we say $2 and together 1236 01:21:10,020 --> 01:21:15,900 that is 100 Can I get a birthday biscuit and emote? And a 1237 01:21:15,900 --> 01:21:20,580 birthday butter biscuit? Yeah. And a mo jobs karma? Yeah, I 1238 01:21:20,580 --> 01:21:22,230 think we can do that. They always give 1239 01:21:22,230 --> 01:21:23,910 me a biscuit on my birthday. 1240 01:21:24,270 --> 01:21:27,780 And speaking of birthdays, I had to start right here out there. 1241 01:21:28,230 --> 01:21:33,540 Send a happy belated birthday out to my big bro chili Thank 1242 01:21:33,540 --> 01:21:34,350 you bro for everything. 1243 01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:39,480 Oh, very nice. Here's the MO karma jobs karma for you 1244 01:21:39,510 --> 01:21:48,540 jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. You've got 1245 01:21:49,620 --> 01:21:54,750 mocha next executive producer William solo with $100 Greetings 1246 01:21:54,750 --> 01:21:59,340 Mo and Adam first wave rownum Oh convert here Rogan no agenda mo 1247 01:21:59,340 --> 01:22:02,910 facts. I recently exposed myself as a deadbeat on a no agenda 1248 01:22:02,910 --> 01:22:07,080 show but I planned on donating for yalls 50th all along. I'll 1249 01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:09,930 take a D dead beating though. It's the only one I'm ever going 1250 01:22:09,930 --> 01:22:10,410 to need. 1251 01:22:12,030 --> 01:22:16,950 Congratulations. You're no longer dead. The 1252 01:22:16,980 --> 01:22:20,010 congrats on 50 shows gentlemen I look forward to many more. I'm 1253 01:22:20,010 --> 01:22:22,530 especially interested in your take on private prisons in the 1254 01:22:22,530 --> 01:22:26,820 possible connection to blow giants crime bill Oh, hello. Can 1255 01:22:26,820 --> 01:22:30,030 I get some mo karma for good health and continued success at 1256 01:22:30,030 --> 01:22:34,290 the new job. Take that take that take that much love and respect 1257 01:22:34,290 --> 01:22:37,800 Bill solo from the rat infested infested shithole. They call 1258 01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:42,540 Charm City Baltimore. And we really appreciate that William 1259 01:22:42,540 --> 01:22:45,000 absolutely will give you a little more karma there. Thank 1260 01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:52,170 you so much for supporting the work. Emile Bottomly comes in 1261 01:22:52,170 --> 01:22:58,230 with the classic boob donation 808 Dear Mo and Adam as a 1262 01:22:58,260 --> 01:23:01,920 regular and this is our first Associate Executive Producer I 1263 01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:05,760 believe under 100 as regular no agenda Listen, I'd like to take 1264 01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:08,670 this opportunity to thank Joe Biden and his you ain't black 1265 01:23:08,670 --> 01:23:12,120 moment for getting me into this podcast. Without his racism I 1266 01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:15,630 doubt I would have been curious enough to check the show out on 1267 01:23:15,630 --> 01:23:19,140 my personal wish list for future episodes. Is that thoroughly 1268 01:23:19,140 --> 01:23:22,590 charming and all around Nice Guy Louis Farrakhan have entered his 1269 01:23:22,590 --> 01:23:25,440 Nation of Islam. I'm sure there's a good story in there 1270 01:23:25,440 --> 01:23:28,560 somewhere just bursting to get out. Keep up the good work and 1271 01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:30,810 please D dead beat me forward with 1272 01:23:32,580 --> 01:23:37,590 congratulations you're no longer dead the 1273 01:23:37,650 --> 01:23:40,320 dead believe we can put that into the planning Can't we know? 1274 01:23:41,670 --> 01:23:42,600 Something like that? 1275 01:23:42,900 --> 01:23:43,770 may have something to come. 1276 01:23:46,950 --> 01:23:53,310 Our next Associate Executive Producer, Frankie team. Yeah, 1277 01:23:53,310 --> 01:23:56,790 Frankie T. I think it is. Let me see it's down here somewhere. 1278 01:23:57,660 --> 01:24:02,730 Okay. Happy half century Mo and I'm really happy every time the 1279 01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:06,480 next episode queues thank you for your courage both not much 1280 01:24:06,480 --> 01:24:10,200 mouth left Adam when you guys hit me from all sides, all the 1281 01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:15,480 best karma from Frankie T and that's that's actually a sent us 1282 01:24:15,750 --> 01:24:20,670 50 pounds British pounds. And so that's how it came out to 6226. 1283 01:24:20,670 --> 01:24:26,610 But we will still give you an episode. Club member. credit for 1284 01:24:26,610 --> 01:24:27,840 that. Mark that 1285 01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:30,240 as well put that in there just to make sure you get that. 1286 01:24:30,450 --> 01:24:35,100 Excellent. Then we have 5353 from Connor Lawrence. Well, 1287 01:24:35,100 --> 01:24:37,680 well, well, the big five. Oh, what else can I say then this 1288 01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:40,260 has been a wild ride for you too. And I can't wait to see 1289 01:24:40,500 --> 01:24:42,810 where the coming years will bring us. Above all this show 1290 01:24:42,810 --> 01:24:45,300 has given me so much hope for the future of America and race 1291 01:24:45,300 --> 01:24:49,200 relations. If crackpot and Mo can do this, so Can everybody 1292 01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:52,770 else? Yeah. God bless to you both of you from the bottom of 1293 01:24:52,770 --> 01:24:55,380 my heart. Thank you because unlike the Moller report, I 1294 01:24:55,380 --> 01:24:58,590 believe the Durham report will list mo facts with Adam curry as 1295 01:24:58,590 --> 01:25:02,280 the best podcasting Get diverse. Can I get a little more karma 1296 01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:06,090 for all of us out there for the show? May May you to have 500 1297 01:25:06,090 --> 01:25:09,840 More episodes and can I get some of that sweet sweet WUSA with a 1298 01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:14,100 stereo goats? Holy crap. People are making me work for the show 1299 01:25:14,100 --> 01:25:20,070 aren't they? With a stereo goat? Okay, I think we can put where's 1300 01:25:20,070 --> 01:25:23,970 our where's my stereo goats and people who are new are probably 1301 01:25:23,970 --> 01:25:26,640 wondering what the hell we're talking about before the road I 1302 01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:29,790 knew things were bad now I know they're awful. But now I have 1303 01:25:29,790 --> 01:25:33,900 hope and it's thanks to you no agenda in this crazy crazy world 1304 01:25:33,900 --> 01:25:39,570 I've dove into talking about for now talk for now be good and be 1305 01:25:39,570 --> 01:25:43,560 with God with love and reverence your friend Connor and let me 1306 01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:46,560 get all these in the right order. So we want some of that 1307 01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:52,470 sweet sweet, sweet WUSA with a stereo goat mo karma Here we go. 1308 01:25:54,480 --> 01:25:55,260 You've got 1309 01:26:01,710 --> 01:26:06,960 karma I don't work on some of these and we cross shows. Eric 1310 01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:10,770 cocoa and he is from Deutschland, a loyal loyal 1311 01:26:10,770 --> 01:26:15,810 supporter of many value for value properties. $52 and no 1312 01:26:15,810 --> 01:26:20,130 note but we know all about him james mclean $51 Hey, I forgot 1313 01:26:20,130 --> 01:26:22,890 to add my note to my donation just like to thank you both for 1314 01:26:22,890 --> 01:26:26,040 the great show. And we do appreciate it. That Josiah 1315 01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:27,630 Hendrickson $50 We 1316 01:26:27,630 --> 01:26:31,020 might have to put him in the show. Numbers well because he 1317 01:26:31,020 --> 01:26:36,120 did 50 Another dollar so we will make sure we get everybody right 1318 01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:37,440 we don't want to make sure special 1319 01:26:37,440 --> 01:26:41,070 episode club number you bet right Josiah Hendrickson DMO and 1320 01:26:41,070 --> 01:26:44,670 Adam if I start donating here then move to no agenda then Joe 1321 01:26:44,670 --> 01:26:51,840 Rogan to become a mono mono row. Of course you do with my first 1322 01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:54,270 baby on the way it's time to stop being a deadbeat here's a 1323 01:26:54,270 --> 01:26:58,230 piece of the pie I inherited best I can do right now. He's $1 1324 01:26:58,230 --> 01:27:01,500 per for me per episode plus one cent for my little girl for her 1325 01:27:01,500 --> 01:27:05,880 ally status. You too are going to be a valuable part of her 1326 01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:09,300 education so she doesn't get brainwashed by the narrative. 1327 01:27:09,300 --> 01:27:12,900 Could I get a mo karma for a health and success? Keep coming 1328 01:27:12,900 --> 01:27:16,350 to the table and spreading the gospel? Yes, absolutely. Thank 1329 01:27:16,350 --> 01:27:19,230 you and you're no longer a deadbeat so we get to do this. 1330 01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:24,690 Congratulations. You're no longer a debt 1331 01:27:26,850 --> 01:27:29,190 you've got mo calm 1332 01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:36,330 and we got 5050 from a cult fans are Nathan Lee here was walking 1333 01:27:36,330 --> 01:27:39,150 through the forest with my better half future Dame JJ the 1334 01:27:39,150 --> 01:27:42,930 lady Smith listening to mo facts 49 On my birthday went to both 1335 01:27:42,930 --> 01:27:45,930 of our laughing out loud I received my butter biscuit from 1336 01:27:45,930 --> 01:27:50,400 my birthday. Yes, you guys keep doing the great work my show on 1337 01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:53,550 six of swords might help clear up any misconceptions about what 1338 01:27:53,610 --> 01:27:57,570 chaos magic is and then even more some Yes indeed. It will be 1339 01:27:57,570 --> 01:28:00,360 useful and valuable to you. I agree with that. Thank you both 1340 01:28:00,390 --> 01:28:04,050 can I get a goose off for my six of cups show thank you GBG 1341 01:28:04,050 --> 01:28:07,350 hashtag we know what it means give Black guns give blacks 1342 01:28:07,350 --> 01:28:11,190 guns. And that's from Sir Nathan Lee and we appreciate that and 1343 01:28:11,190 --> 01:28:22,350 of course we gotta WUSA for you and another 5050 from Dennis 1344 01:28:22,350 --> 01:28:25,830 Wyrick congratulation that 50 episodes so a lot of catching up 1345 01:28:25,830 --> 01:28:28,170 to do but have listened to at least half of the episodes 1346 01:28:28,350 --> 01:28:32,010 fantastic conversations and mind blowing revelations I pass the 1347 01:28:32,010 --> 01:28:35,280 blunt every chance I get and please take me off that dead 1348 01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:37,260 beat list. Let's do it right away. 1349 01:28:38,820 --> 01:28:44,070 Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat. 1350 01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:47,670 That's all for now but more to come thank you and Mo karma 1351 01:28:47,670 --> 01:28:50,460 slash Bitcoin if you don't mind what does he mean with a 1352 01:28:50,460 --> 01:28:56,250 Bitcoin? Hmm, maybe? Well, maybe we can just do a Manning 1353 01:28:56,250 --> 01:29:00,030 Bitcoin. I'm thinking that do a little ISO here. I think we can 1354 01:29:00,030 --> 01:29:03,510 manage that so and we'll give you the MO karma 1355 01:29:06,300 --> 01:29:07,080 you've got 1356 01:29:09,660 --> 01:29:12,780 yes and and all hell is gonna break loose and you're gonna 1357 01:29:12,780 --> 01:29:13,560 need a Bitcoin 1358 01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:20,460 and 5050 from J. Miss J. Who says and that? Was there an 1359 01:29:20,490 --> 01:29:22,020 email notes? I don't see. 1360 01:29:22,050 --> 01:29:26,310 I cannot I cannot find it under the email associated with the 1361 01:29:26,490 --> 01:29:28,170 donation. So okay, 1362 01:29:28,170 --> 01:29:28,650 we'll send it. 1363 01:29:29,970 --> 01:29:34,380 Yeah. I think she'd be a Cash App looking at the screen. I 1364 01:29:34,380 --> 01:29:38,070 mean, that donation list. And I just didn't put the email 1365 01:29:38,070 --> 01:29:39,090 address with the Cash App. 1366 01:29:39,180 --> 01:29:41,760 Okay, well, then she won't get you on the next show. Sorry 1367 01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:44,250 about this right. You send it to us through email. We'll we'll 1368 01:29:44,250 --> 01:29:47,160 take care of you John Taylor. 5050 just wants a WUSA 1369 01:29:52,230 --> 01:29:57,180 Alexander bt $50.01 Hey, Mo annatto made some fun ISOs for 1370 01:29:57,180 --> 01:30:00,570 the show hearing mo use the phrase Butterbeer gets I was 1371 01:30:00,570 --> 01:30:04,110 reminded of a moment from the show The Boondocks that aired on 1372 01:30:04,110 --> 01:30:08,940 Adult Swim in 2007. On season one episode three granddad is 1373 01:30:08,940 --> 01:30:11,520 about to leave for a date with a woman who has at least a third 1374 01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:14,940 his age and he doesn't know she's a prostitute. His grandson 1375 01:30:14,940 --> 01:30:17,790 Riley doesn't want him to take her to the Red Lobster and says 1376 01:30:17,790 --> 01:30:21,540 this I have learned so much and I believe you got to play the 1377 01:30:21,540 --> 01:30:26,700 clip okay the long one or the the long one I guess let's play 1378 01:30:26,700 --> 01:30:49,860 the long one call me back us the short version of it Oh, that 1379 01:30:49,860 --> 01:30:53,070 could become a staple. I like it. Very nice. Very nice. 1380 01:30:54,390 --> 01:30:57,240 Alexander goes on to say I have learned so much and believe most 1381 01:30:57,240 --> 01:31:00,090 messages very powerful, unique and needs to be heard. Thanks 1382 01:31:00,090 --> 01:31:03,810 for making such a great show. Sir. Economic Hitman Baron of 1383 01:31:03,810 --> 01:31:07,170 congressional correct the congressional dish. Another fine 1384 01:31:07,170 --> 01:31:10,440 podcast also on the value for value model. Alex B. Thank you. 1385 01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:14,910 Douglas, Mook. $50. No note, Donna Blanchard, 50, haimo and 1386 01:31:14,910 --> 01:31:17,550 Adam, I send some money along to you because you are worth it. 1387 01:31:17,790 --> 01:31:20,910 I'm a 60 year old white woman in Canada and I searched for and 1388 01:31:20,910 --> 01:31:23,880 found your podcast because I wanted some answers to all the 1389 01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:26,430 crap that's going on with our southern neighbors, particularly 1390 01:31:26,430 --> 01:31:29,910 the racial issues, as that's not such a huge thing up here. Don't 1391 01:31:29,910 --> 01:31:33,060 worry. Just wait. I am learning so much. And I thank you for 1392 01:31:33,060 --> 01:31:35,970 your work. Keep up that great work. This is great. So she just 1393 01:31:35,970 --> 01:31:39,900 found us. Not any other podcast apparently. I 1394 01:31:39,900 --> 01:31:42,540 was wondering how she found that that's pretty cool. Because 1395 01:31:42,990 --> 01:31:47,100 Thailand is kind of, you know, all over the place. So I was 1396 01:31:47,100 --> 01:31:49,290 interested in how she was she search? 1397 01:31:49,380 --> 01:31:51,840 I wouldn't. I wouldn't mind knowing myself. That's very 1398 01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:52,170 cool. It's 1399 01:31:52,170 --> 01:31:55,050 like how I found no agenda is it's just a quick aside. I 1400 01:31:55,050 --> 01:31:57,750 actually searched for news with no agenda, and that's how I got 1401 01:32:00,150 --> 01:32:04,080 quite unbelievable. It works. It works. All right. Thank you, 1402 01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:08,490 Keith and Teresa. No, Donna, now we're on to Keith and Teresa. 1403 01:32:08,490 --> 01:32:12,030 They're $50 love the show. I'm telling everyone I know that 1404 01:32:12,030 --> 01:32:14,730 they have to listen Keep up the great work. Thank you. That is a 1405 01:32:14,730 --> 01:32:18,750 good use of time and talent and treasure. Paul Arsenault DMO and 1406 01:32:18,750 --> 01:32:21,720 Adam I worked at the Detroit Windsor border during the New 1407 01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:25,140 Jack City era. Thank you for explaining all of it for me and 1408 01:32:25,140 --> 01:32:27,840 look forward to more enlightened shows. What episode did we do 1409 01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:29,490 that New Jack City on Do you remember that? 1410 01:32:29,519 --> 01:32:32,489 That was the Black don't crack I believe Okay, 1411 01:32:32,549 --> 01:32:36,059 good. Which which was I don't know which episode it was. That 1412 01:32:36,059 --> 01:32:47,819 it look into that archive.no mo facts.com Simon lubes of Lee 1413 01:32:47,819 --> 01:32:51,749 Buzu ski Lebowski Simon Lee bazoo ski, I believe Hey 1414 01:32:51,749 --> 01:32:55,019 listeners be donating. Yes. $50 Thank you for thank you for the 1415 01:32:55,019 --> 01:32:56,969 example. Ella lightly 1416 01:32:57,000 --> 01:33:00,390 correction correction. Hey producers, producers. 1417 01:33:00,390 --> 01:33:05,400 Yes, exactly. Producers. Ella labeling or labeling needs a 1418 01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:08,100 biscuit for her birthday on the 28th The show has helped my 1419 01:33:08,100 --> 01:33:11,280 partner and I do the work can we get a D dead beating and a 1420 01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:13,620 whoosah Please? Yeah, we gotta get your biscuit to 1421 01:33:13,620 --> 01:33:15,930 always give me a biscuit on my birthday. 1422 01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:22,770 Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat. 1423 01:33:27,090 --> 01:33:31,740 Dame Jennifer also known as Jean Denis, Jennifer, Jennifer 1424 01:33:31,740 --> 01:33:35,640 Buchanan $50 Congratulations on your upcoming episode 50 I'm so 1425 01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:39,060 grateful for the previous 49 She writes I think producers who've 1426 01:33:39,060 --> 01:33:42,630 done the work and heard all of them so far have earned a BA in 1427 01:33:42,630 --> 01:33:46,200 American social studies if they also took their prereqs of 1428 01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:50,640 course math XOXO Dame Jennifer Thank you Dame Jennifer really 1429 01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:54,510 appreciate all that you do for all the value for values things 1430 01:33:54,510 --> 01:33:58,260 that I'm involved in and of course I mean that's hurt dead 1431 01:33:58,260 --> 01:34:00,030 beating and right there that's death go 1432 01:34:00,030 --> 01:34:03,180 check out her no agenda animation. Oh, yeah. Animated 1433 01:34:03,180 --> 01:34:06,360 No. On YouTube animated no agenda. That is hilarious. 1434 01:34:06,900 --> 01:34:10,740 She's so talented. Couple more executive producer the $50 1435 01:34:10,740 --> 01:34:14,010 level. Sarah Halstead. Hey, mon. Adam, thank you for doing the 1436 01:34:14,010 --> 01:34:16,200 work and helping us think about stuff we never thought of 1437 01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:19,590 before. My husband Kenny got me listening to the no agenda show 1438 01:34:19,590 --> 01:34:21,960 and I got him listening to moe facts with Adam curry. We love 1439 01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:24,870 them both. Keep up the great work and work congratulations, 1440 01:34:24,870 --> 01:34:28,860 episode number 50. jingles, WUSA mo karma. And I want this 1441 01:34:28,860 --> 01:34:32,010 donation to go to Kenny Halstead to start his journey to ally 1442 01:34:32,010 --> 01:34:35,820 hood or whatever y'all are gonna call it Sara. Thank you so much. 1443 01:34:35,820 --> 01:34:39,330 That is That is very kind of you. So yes, of course we can 1444 01:34:39,330 --> 01:34:52,800 give you a mo karma and Musa. Happy Wait, wait, wait, wait. 1445 01:34:53,880 --> 01:34:55,260 Yeah, let's get rolling hawk. 1446 01:34:56,010 --> 01:34:59,310 Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to miss you there. Raleigh Hawk $50 1447 01:34:59,310 --> 01:35:02,310 for show 50 Keep it up bear in it and Sir black and black 1448 01:35:02,310 --> 01:35:05,220 knight Sir lineman of the net Raleigh hawk. Yes, thank you 1449 01:35:05,220 --> 01:35:10,650 very much. Chris mommy, who says Happy 50th Chris and Janelle 1450 01:35:10,650 --> 01:35:13,620 from Cherry Valley, Massachusetts. $50. Thank you 1451 01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:17,610 $50 for doing the work says Michael Olson. And John 1452 01:35:17,610 --> 01:35:22,020 Cornforth sends us $50 And Adam, the work that you and Mo are 1453 01:35:22,020 --> 01:35:25,440 doing is critically important. I hope that you continue to expand 1454 01:35:25,440 --> 01:35:28,020 your audience in these difficult times we find ourselves living 1455 01:35:28,020 --> 01:35:31,170 in it is reassuring to know that there are others out there that 1456 01:35:31,170 --> 01:35:34,200 can see through the lies and false reality and that they've 1457 01:35:34,230 --> 01:35:39,210 created for us I refuse to be manipulated any longer. PS we 1458 01:35:39,210 --> 01:35:43,470 are both. We both had more hair 30 years ago than we do today. 1459 01:35:43,620 --> 01:35:46,440 But let's not hold that against each other. Thank you very much, 1460 01:35:46,440 --> 01:35:51,570 John. Rebecca Webb $50, Associate Executive Producer, we 1461 01:35:51,570 --> 01:35:54,210 should could add another zero to these production funds. Again, 1462 01:35:54,240 --> 01:35:57,330 it's the value that's what you determine. It's equally as 1463 01:35:57,330 --> 01:36:00,360 valuable to us and we appreciate it. been listening since the 1464 01:36:00,360 --> 01:36:04,380 beginning but last episode was a knockout K Oh, love your mama's 1465 01:36:04,380 --> 01:36:07,740 advice. Most everyone commented on that, especially that you did 1466 01:36:07,740 --> 01:36:11,850 her voice was just uncanny. It's like I met her already listened 1467 01:36:11,850 --> 01:36:14,490 to it twice and about to hit the play button again, this time 1468 01:36:14,490 --> 01:36:17,460 with my wife listening as well. We're learning more about this 1469 01:36:17,460 --> 01:36:21,720 nation's history and culture than we ever did in school. It's 1470 01:36:21,720 --> 01:36:24,330 like finding out you're adopted and learning about the rest of 1471 01:36:24,330 --> 01:36:28,530 your family history and culture. Yes, it's it's it messes with 1472 01:36:28,530 --> 01:36:31,230 your mind and you get you get used to it though it becomes a 1473 01:36:31,230 --> 01:36:35,130 fun ride. Not just a narrative you are always told God bless 1474 01:36:35,130 --> 01:36:38,520 y'all Daniel Webb says PS made a couple of donations before but 1475 01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:42,630 they've come in under Rebecca Webb Okay, so Daniel thank you 1476 01:36:42,630 --> 01:36:45,450 and thank you Rebecca for letting us for letting Daniel 1477 01:36:45,450 --> 01:36:50,610 use your your account. And then we have Daniel hunt. $50 says 1478 01:36:50,610 --> 01:36:53,310 hey mo been learning a lot from you and Adam very grateful for 1479 01:36:53,310 --> 01:36:56,700 the work you two are doing keep them shits up. Thank you sir. 1480 01:36:57,090 --> 01:37:02,250 Cody Gray $50 love the show and keep up the great work recent 1481 01:37:02,250 --> 01:37:04,560 rownum Oh convert that is listening to the MO facts 1482 01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:07,320 library and I feel obliged to pay for the hard work and 1483 01:37:07,320 --> 01:37:09,750 intelligence put into these shows. We thank you for that. 1484 01:37:09,930 --> 01:37:14,340 Cody and our final Associate Executive Producer and episode 1485 01:37:14,340 --> 01:37:18,870 club member David weed with $50 for the club 50 Of course, as I 1486 01:37:18,870 --> 01:37:22,890 turned 50 on the fifth of October. Very nice. Thank you 1487 01:37:22,890 --> 01:37:25,440 for your courage. He says please, D dead beat me. 1488 01:37:27,510 --> 01:37:32,610 Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat. 1489 01:37:32,610 --> 01:37:35,430 And I'd like mo karma for my birthday. And thank you for the 1490 01:37:35,430 --> 01:37:37,920 countless hours spent on research and the valuable 1491 01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:41,760 conversations we need to be having. And of course with that, 1492 01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:43,530 for your birthday comes a butter biscuit 1493 01:37:43,530 --> 01:37:45,720 always give me a biscuit on my birthday 1494 01:37:47,910 --> 01:37:48,690 you've got 1495 01:37:50,790 --> 01:37:54,000 and that includes our executive producers, Associate Executive 1496 01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:57,900 producers and the show club members for episode 50 of Mo 1497 01:37:57,900 --> 01:38:01,260 facts with Adam curry, we will be thanking a few more people in 1498 01:38:01,260 --> 01:38:04,980 a second segment. Closer to the end of the show, we have a lot 1499 01:38:04,980 --> 01:38:08,100 more to go. But again, thank you for producing this, it's under 1500 01:38:08,100 --> 01:38:11,880 the value for value system, you can send us your time, your 1501 01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:16,140 talent or your treasure, and we love putting the executive 1502 01:38:16,140 --> 01:38:17,880 producers and Associate Executive producers in the 1503 01:38:17,880 --> 01:38:21,720 spotlight. For more go to mo facts.com or directly to the 1504 01:38:21,720 --> 01:38:27,810 donation page. Mo fund me.com moe f u n d m e.com. And thank 1505 01:38:27,810 --> 01:38:31,170 you all for your courage and for producing episode number 50 of 1506 01:38:31,170 --> 01:38:32,760 Mo facts with Adam curry. 1507 01:38:34,170 --> 01:38:38,550 Alright, so we're post Civil War now, but cotton is still king. 1508 01:38:38,940 --> 01:38:42,750 After the Civil War. Many southerners looked once again to 1509 01:38:42,750 --> 01:38:47,310 cotton to revive their failing economy. The system of slavery 1510 01:38:47,310 --> 01:38:51,120 was no longer in place. So another system of labor was 1511 01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:51,420 needed. 1512 01:38:51,750 --> 01:38:56,550 cotton prices did not go up after the war. And so 1513 01:38:56,550 --> 01:39:02,610 sharecropping ends up being the reality for a lot of ex slaves 1514 01:39:02,610 --> 01:39:06,960 and increasing numbers of poor whites as well. And people who 1515 01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:10,890 used to consider themselves sort of Yeoman becoming kind of 1516 01:39:10,890 --> 01:39:14,850 falling into that poor white category of sharecropping. So 1517 01:39:14,850 --> 01:39:19,500 sharecropping becomes a system where, instead of rent, people 1518 01:39:19,500 --> 01:39:24,780 literally pay in a share of the crop. The land owner usually 1519 01:39:24,780 --> 01:39:31,920 furnished, the tools, the animals, the sometimes the seed, 1520 01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:37,890 sharecroppers had a cabin that they could live in. And the 1521 01:39:38,010 --> 01:39:41,940 return on that for the landowner was getting a share of the crop. 1522 01:39:42,450 --> 01:39:48,060 Now for the sharecropper, quite often they had to buy goods that 1523 01:39:48,060 --> 01:39:51,600 they needed at either the landowner store or another 1524 01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:55,530 merchant store, so they had to put the crop up as collateral, 1525 01:39:55,860 --> 01:40:01,320 or take a lien on the crop. And so at the end, ended the season, 1526 01:40:02,220 --> 01:40:06,450 the sharecropper often had really nothing left, and so went 1527 01:40:06,450 --> 01:40:09,930 into debt again for the next year. 1528 01:40:11,610 --> 01:40:14,520 Something else have never really been taught properly in school, 1529 01:40:15,030 --> 01:40:18,660 sharecropping, and how that works is good. Oh, sure 1530 01:40:18,690 --> 01:40:21,630 sharecropping was just slavery under under another name. And 1531 01:40:21,630 --> 01:40:25,620 when it was, opened it up for more people to be slaves. It's 1532 01:40:25,620 --> 01:40:30,630 like, oh, yeah, we can increase the word. labor force. By you 1533 01:40:30,630 --> 01:40:34,350 know, it. Now it's not based off of color anymore. It's based off 1534 01:40:34,350 --> 01:40:37,530 of a system of No, just oppressing people based off 1535 01:40:37,530 --> 01:40:41,640 being poor. And, you know, when I heard this clip, what came to 1536 01:40:41,640 --> 01:40:44,700 mind is now what we're dealing with, in modern times, where 1537 01:40:44,700 --> 01:40:47,610 nobody wants to own anything. Yeah. 1538 01:40:48,900 --> 01:40:51,840 Well, nobody can. But also people can't own anything, it's 1539 01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:56,010 become incredibly expensive to own anything. So that's why we 1540 01:40:56,010 --> 01:40:58,890 have released cars. And 1541 01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:05,670 we're sharecropping. We, yeah. Yeah, cuz that's what debt is, 1542 01:41:05,670 --> 01:41:07,620 is just basically you're borrowing off what you're gonna 1543 01:41:07,620 --> 01:41:11,880 make in the future. And then it comes out, you get, you end up 1544 01:41:11,880 --> 01:41:14,940 dead even or into either Oh, and, and then you know, is based 1545 01:41:14,940 --> 01:41:18,300 off what you're going to make in, in the next year, right. So 1546 01:41:18,300 --> 01:41:22,800 I do want to point that out to people that a lot of parallel 1547 01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:26,280 between now what's going on now and what was going on then, but 1548 01:41:26,280 --> 01:41:30,570 I just want to let people also know that the claim I'm willing 1549 01:41:30,570 --> 01:41:35,340 to make stops at the end of the Civil War, and a master patient 1550 01:41:35,700 --> 01:41:40,290 of so called black people. But if you want to go further, you 1551 01:41:40,290 --> 01:41:44,370 can say it persisted all the way up to Jim Crow. But I think 1552 01:41:44,370 --> 01:41:47,940 there's a harder case to make. And I would just like to stick 1553 01:41:47,940 --> 01:41:51,000 to what is not what you know, is what you can prove kind of 1554 01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:54,450 thing. But we have a lot of evidence with sharecropping. And 1555 01:41:54,870 --> 01:41:58,290 I come from a line of sharecroppers. I actually have 1556 01:41:58,290 --> 01:42:01,140 my great, great grandfather's sharecropping book, he had 1557 01:42:01,140 --> 01:42:04,530 immaculate handwriting, by the way, and the handwriting is 1558 01:42:04,530 --> 01:42:07,110 beautiful. And He showed that he could read which you know, was 1559 01:42:07,110 --> 01:42:10,620 also at for that time, very impressive. And not only to be 1560 01:42:10,650 --> 01:42:14,490 be able to read, but also had great penmanship, just as you 1561 01:42:14,490 --> 01:42:17,460 know, just nice, I like it, tidbit of information. For me, 1562 01:42:17,490 --> 01:42:20,100 it is why we take things so personally. So when people say, 1563 01:42:21,180 --> 01:42:24,780 you know, you want to have a lineage to slavery, no, these 1564 01:42:24,780 --> 01:42:28,350 are human beings. Yeah, they've just went through a system. But 1565 01:42:28,350 --> 01:42:33,240 it's funny, nobody says that to and I don't want to bring this 1566 01:42:33,240 --> 01:42:37,140 topic up too much. But to Jewish people, they identify 1567 01:42:37,140 --> 01:42:39,930 themselves, we can easily or you're not, you're white, you're 1568 01:42:39,930 --> 01:42:42,810 white. I mean, you just be white and good enough, be white, no, 1569 01:42:42,810 --> 01:42:47,010 but they have a particular claim to history. And what they went 1570 01:42:47,010 --> 01:42:51,510 through that identifies them separate, you know, from the 1571 01:42:51,510 --> 01:42:55,440 quote unquote, white people. Yeah, so why can't a das be the 1572 01:42:55,440 --> 01:43:00,030 same way, of course, of course, we're part of the greater larger 1573 01:43:00,030 --> 01:43:02,940 group of black people, but we have a particular claim and a 1574 01:43:02,940 --> 01:43:06,360 particular lineage and pastry, you know, that we're very proud 1575 01:43:06,360 --> 01:43:09,870 of. I'm not not ashamed of anything that my ancestors went 1576 01:43:09,870 --> 01:43:12,690 through. But I just wanted to say that, but that kind of just 1577 01:43:12,690 --> 01:43:16,950 lays out sharecropping a little bit. And to put a little bit 1578 01:43:16,950 --> 01:43:19,920 more flesh on the idea of sharecropping, let's get to 1579 01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:21,990 slavery to mass incarceration three. 1580 01:43:22,350 --> 01:43:25,860 Even as the Civil War raged, slave trading in Montgomery 1581 01:43:25,860 --> 01:43:30,660 flourished well into the mid 1860s. After the Confederacy 1582 01:43:30,660 --> 01:43:35,040 surrender in 1865, Congress passed the 13th Amendment, which 1583 01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:38,610 prohibited slavery nationwide, except as a punishment for 1584 01:43:38,610 --> 01:43:42,450 crime. But in many former slave states, slavery did not end it 1585 01:43:42,450 --> 01:43:46,710 simply evolved. Southern whites angry after losing the war 1586 01:43:46,710 --> 01:43:49,650 targeted black people who were largely abandoned by the federal 1587 01:43:49,650 --> 01:43:53,610 government in the 1870s. For decades, black men, women and 1588 01:43:53,610 --> 01:43:57,300 children were tortured, terrorized and killed by mobs 1589 01:43:57,300 --> 01:44:01,770 and violent lynchings. oppressed by a system of racist laws and 1590 01:44:01,770 --> 01:44:06,030 customs. For another 100 years, black people were racially 1591 01:44:06,030 --> 01:44:09,870 segregated, denied the right to vote, education and basic 1592 01:44:09,870 --> 01:44:14,820 dignity. They were humiliated, beaten, or killed for minor 1593 01:44:14,820 --> 01:44:18,240 offenses or for protesting the civil rights movement of the 1594 01:44:18,240 --> 01:44:22,110 1950s and 60s helped to end legally authorized racial 1595 01:44:22,110 --> 01:44:25,500 segregation, but racial bias still persists. 1596 01:44:26,490 --> 01:44:32,010 Yeah, and then this is the Kanye kind of topic where he talks 1597 01:44:32,010 --> 01:44:37,260 about the 13th amendment and and how incarceration is clearly a 1598 01:44:37,260 --> 01:44:38,280 form of slavery. 1599 01:44:39,330 --> 01:44:42,750 Yeah, I mean, when we say Have you ever committed a crime? It's 1600 01:44:42,750 --> 01:44:46,410 okay. You can be a slave. Yeah. And you'll end up 1601 01:44:46,890 --> 01:44:50,010 Yeah, and you'll be making stuff for IKEA. You'll be making stuff 1602 01:44:50,010 --> 01:44:55,080 for some some of the biggest clothing manufacturers that the 1603 01:44:55,080 --> 01:44:58,590 commercial Corrections Corporation of America. At one 1604 01:44:58,590 --> 01:45:02,010 point, most of it owned by Bill Gates, just as a side note, and 1605 01:45:02,010 --> 01:45:06,060 Warren Buffett and a couple other people like that. That's 1606 01:45:06,060 --> 01:45:10,290 that's the business is your role in the human, the human beings 1607 01:45:10,320 --> 01:45:13,650 and you lock them up and you make them work. And you 1608 01:45:13,650 --> 01:45:16,740 almost keep me down a rabbit hole with your last episode of 1609 01:45:16,740 --> 01:45:19,770 no agenda with the mass incarceration in the you know, 1610 01:45:19,770 --> 01:45:24,300 the companies behind I mean, excuse me the circle. Yeah, I 1611 01:45:24,300 --> 01:45:26,760 was I was holding on to the edge of the rental house that had no, 1612 01:45:27,180 --> 01:45:31,080 careful now you gotta be careful that one goes so deep Mo is is 1613 01:45:31,080 --> 01:45:33,660 crazy. That's that's a real, real deep one. 1614 01:45:35,040 --> 01:45:37,260 No, we are gonna go down it. But I was just saying, like, for 1615 01:45:37,260 --> 01:45:46,080 this show, I was like, No. Way too much. But yeah, so this 1616 01:45:46,080 --> 01:45:49,680 thing called sharecropping, with just slavery as another name 1617 01:45:49,710 --> 01:45:53,880 under another name. And to further prove that point, I 1618 01:45:53,880 --> 01:45:59,910 found this interesting piece from vise. And as a genealogist 1619 01:45:59,910 --> 01:46:02,670 who tracks down modern day slavery practices. 1620 01:46:02,790 --> 01:46:06,000 Although sharecropping was technically legal, the practice 1621 01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:09,660 was widely abused by white landowners who use debts to keep 1622 01:46:09,660 --> 01:46:12,720 African Americans tied to the land that they once worked at 1623 01:46:12,720 --> 01:46:16,680 slaves. sharecroppers didn't pay rent, but they didn't own any 1624 01:46:16,680 --> 01:46:21,030 property. And today, historians agree sharecropping was just 1625 01:46:21,030 --> 01:46:22,440 slavery by a different name. 1626 01:46:22,950 --> 01:46:28,530 So many former enslaved Africans had nothing, I had no choice to 1627 01:46:28,530 --> 01:46:33,690 add a year. You owe me no matter how hard you work, you are told, 1628 01:46:34,230 --> 01:46:35,130 sorry. 1629 01:46:35,430 --> 01:46:38,580 And those cases relate directly to your cases today, right? 1630 01:46:38,760 --> 01:46:46,170 After slavery. These are like 1921 1930 1940s to 50s and some 1631 01:46:46,170 --> 01:46:47,640 of them to the 60s. 1632 01:46:54,150 --> 01:46:58,230 Antoinette's very first case was May Luis Miller, a woman who was 1633 01:46:58,230 --> 01:47:01,590 held as a slave with her entire family and Mississippi until 1634 01:47:01,590 --> 01:47:07,290 1961. Domi passed away in 2014, Antoinette took us to see one of 1635 01:47:07,290 --> 01:47:08,910 her brothers, Arthur Miller 1636 01:47:10,830 --> 01:47:15,030 May an author began to have the older sisters and brothers say 1637 01:47:15,030 --> 01:47:20,010 remember, like they took a long time before author really open 1638 01:47:20,010 --> 01:47:20,820 up and talk. 1639 01:47:22,320 --> 01:47:26,700 Wow, this is this was kind of nice with with your, your 1640 01:47:26,730 --> 01:47:29,820 grandfather that there's records of this stuff. 1641 01:47:31,110 --> 01:47:33,870 There's plenty of records, you know, why those records? Could 1642 01:47:33,870 --> 01:47:37,830 they were property? Yeah, it to have property. It's not about 1643 01:47:37,830 --> 01:47:40,680 the, you know, the birth certificate or things you had to 1644 01:47:40,680 --> 01:47:43,650 keep, you know, record for tax purposes, kind of 1645 01:47:43,650 --> 01:47:45,360 keep track of your essence. 1646 01:47:45,900 --> 01:47:54,330 Correct. So there, there are a no a bevy of, of, of records and 1647 01:47:54,330 --> 01:47:58,080 documents and all these things. And now with genealogy and those 1648 01:47:58,080 --> 01:48:00,810 kinds of things. They can be dug up very easily. I mean, this 1649 01:48:00,810 --> 01:48:05,910 lady here, she has one leg, she lost one to cancer. And she's 1650 01:48:05,910 --> 01:48:10,860 kicking ass i No pun intended. But reason why I'm saying is she 1651 01:48:10,860 --> 01:48:13,920 could let anything stop her. But she not only does this but she 1652 01:48:13,920 --> 01:48:17,880 goes and helps other people single handedly. I mean, this is 1653 01:48:17,880 --> 01:48:20,970 what these are people that we need to be highlighting, as 1654 01:48:20,970 --> 01:48:24,930 heroes and right, you know, leaders and if you want to use 1655 01:48:24,930 --> 01:48:29,880 that term, or there'll be no b2b lionized. I'm sure she's not 1656 01:48:29,880 --> 01:48:33,450 making that much money, if anything, but she feels is 1657 01:48:33,450 --> 01:48:36,540 important that these people that have been held in slavery in 1658 01:48:36,540 --> 01:48:43,290 1960 Yeah. That which brings to mind that what it is not related 1659 01:48:43,290 --> 01:48:47,520 in a way but it is but the colorism thing with the 1970s 1660 01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:52,770 with HBCUs Yeah, these these things die hard. Yeah. And will 1661 01:48:52,770 --> 01:48:57,390 you go back and listen to the massive speaks? He said this? I 1662 01:48:57,390 --> 01:49:00,660 mean, you can you have to listen to what he said. He said these 1663 01:49:00,660 --> 01:49:05,520 things is like straightening teeth. And he was very serious 1664 01:49:05,520 --> 01:49:11,280 about it that they would not let their slaves go. And so and a 1665 01:49:11,280 --> 01:49:15,630 lot of times slaves didn't want to go because yeah, you that's a 1666 01:49:15,630 --> 01:49:18,420 whole new world out there. Like what about how do I fit in 1667 01:49:18,420 --> 01:49:21,630 there? You know, I know. I know this evil you know, they're 1668 01:49:21,630 --> 01:49:24,330 like, they say like the devil that you know, is better than 1669 01:49:24,330 --> 01:49:28,110 the devil that you don't it's kind of thing it's like so a lot 1670 01:49:28,110 --> 01:49:31,650 of times people just willingly stayed on the plantations but 1671 01:49:31,920 --> 01:49:35,130 other ones they stayed willingly cost the other option they 1672 01:49:35,130 --> 01:49:38,550 thought was death or what is going to be laid out in a second 1673 01:49:38,550 --> 01:49:39,540 clip from Vice 1674 01:49:39,720 --> 01:49:43,980 related on how the what would you call it but some like a 1675 01:49:43,980 --> 01:49:48,450 plantation to me. They belong to different white people they own 1676 01:49:48,480 --> 01:49:52,680 with family, I guess and you couldn't leave anybody lead 1677 01:49:52,680 --> 01:49:57,570 either. Come get your hair, somebody to kill you or 1678 01:49:57,570 --> 01:50:01,380 whatever. Whatever. That's what happened. Cindy, my mama bear 1679 01:50:01,740 --> 01:50:05,190 what they do to your mother? They just pair my mother, you 1680 01:50:05,190 --> 01:50:10,530 know, the white me. You know, they just do what they want to 1681 01:50:10,530 --> 01:50:16,920 do what I just want doesn't have to do if I wouldn't be in I 1682 01:50:16,920 --> 01:50:18,510 don't know, probably wouldn't be 1683 01:50:19,230 --> 01:50:22,920 in this was in the 1950s or 40s 1684 01:50:22,950 --> 01:50:28,200 There was only through the 40s and 50s all through the 50s for 1685 01:50:28,200 --> 01:50:28,980 the 60s. 1686 01:50:29,219 --> 01:50:32,819 So what would the repercussions be if you tried to leave or if 1687 01:50:32,819 --> 01:50:34,829 you tried to refuse what they want it 1688 01:50:35,099 --> 01:50:38,519 back in them days it was kinda like you here to do what the 1689 01:50:38,519 --> 01:50:45,839 white man see it or geekier and there is no medium degree but he 1690 01:50:45,839 --> 01:50:53,729 killed the Burmese angry deer Dawson, they kill him. He didn't 1691 01:50:53,729 --> 01:50:58,259 run the same pleasently he left he would come back and he 1692 01:50:58,259 --> 01:51:01,469 wouldn't go to Boulder bank, get a read on him from his house. 1693 01:51:03,359 --> 01:51:07,619 hung him up in a tree. They hung him fish kill him first. Just 1694 01:51:07,619 --> 01:51:10,679 harass him and hung him up. Read from his halfway children. 1695 01:51:10,679 --> 01:51:11,429 Nobody could see. 1696 01:51:12,660 --> 01:51:17,070 I don't know much mo but I think the idea that you've got to dig 1697 01:51:17,070 --> 01:51:21,120 your own grave, just to be killed is kind of a de wrecker. 1698 01:51:22,320 --> 01:51:25,350 And castrated, forget castrated am 1699 01:51:25,350 --> 01:51:30,600 man. And so I lay all this out, what's the timeframe of that? 1700 01:51:30,600 --> 01:51:30,930 Mo? 1701 01:51:31,590 --> 01:51:39,480 1940s 50s and 60s. So we're not talking. He will say, Oh, 1702 01:51:39,480 --> 01:51:42,210 slavery ended on this day, get over it. You know, everything 1703 01:51:42,240 --> 01:51:48,810 was peachy after that? No, no. Now for my family. Luckily, no, 1704 01:51:48,840 --> 01:51:52,110 they eventually were able to own land. I mean, a lot of times 1705 01:51:52,110 --> 01:51:55,290 what you would do or mean, go back give some context to 1706 01:51:55,290 --> 01:51:58,470 sharecropping and cotton, those kinds of things, if you were 1707 01:51:58,470 --> 01:52:00,990 smart enough, or you dealt with people that were on the up and 1708 01:52:01,020 --> 01:52:05,460 up, which was very rare. Um, you could eventually have enough 1709 01:52:05,460 --> 01:52:10,830 kids to where you can work the land, make a profit off of your, 1710 01:52:10,860 --> 01:52:15,360 you know, your goods, and buy your land. If you're lucky 1711 01:52:15,360 --> 01:52:17,820 enough, I mean, that mean that, like I said, For me to be 1712 01:52:17,820 --> 01:52:21,180 sitting here, right now, a lot of things had to fall into 1713 01:52:21,180 --> 01:52:25,710 place, in the right way, right. So I don't want to ever want 1714 01:52:25,710 --> 01:52:29,640 people to think that I'm the norm. And neither are these 1715 01:52:29,640 --> 01:52:31,920 people. This is not the norm, but it's somewhere in between 1716 01:52:31,920 --> 01:52:39,030 there. Well, I'm just saying these things exist. And to keep 1717 01:52:39,030 --> 01:52:43,350 this structure and this system in place, they did things like 1718 01:52:43,350 --> 01:52:47,430 create the one drop rule. Explain what the one drop rule 1719 01:52:47,430 --> 01:52:48,240 is. the one 1720 01:52:48,240 --> 01:52:51,540 drop rule, historically, also known as a rule of hypo descent 1721 01:52:51,570 --> 01:52:54,780 was really instituted to protect whiteness, it was a way for the 1722 01:52:54,780 --> 01:52:58,830 white majority to be able to name and incite who was white. 1723 01:52:58,830 --> 01:53:03,690 So it was one drop, which is 1/32 130 seconds of Negro or 1724 01:53:03,690 --> 01:53:06,930 African blood would make that person Negro or African. 1725 01:53:06,930 --> 01:53:09,150 Whatever the classification they used at the time I hear 1726 01:53:09,150 --> 01:53:11,430 people say we're in a post racial society, 1727 01:53:11,550 --> 01:53:14,310 the reality is, in order to get beyond something, you have to 1728 01:53:14,310 --> 01:53:17,850 understand it right. And where in your education, where have 1729 01:53:17,850 --> 01:53:21,690 you been required to learn about race? They don't teach it. No, 1730 01:53:21,720 --> 01:53:26,010 it is the foundation of this country. We have to talk about 1731 01:53:26,010 --> 01:53:28,890 race, we have to talk about racial difference. It is just a 1732 01:53:28,890 --> 01:53:32,070 flat out lie for us to believe that we've moved beyond race. 1733 01:53:32,250 --> 01:53:36,000 How long ago was that? When Don Lemon had the Dr. Yaba Blay on I 1734 01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:36,630 mean, that's, 1735 01:53:37,650 --> 01:53:40,560 I'm thinking 2012 It was an Obama and I 1736 01:53:40,559 --> 01:53:43,349 was gonna say it's kind of it's kind of a semi sane 1737 01:53:43,349 --> 01:53:46,739 conversation, which I don't think Don Lemon is capable of 1738 01:53:46,739 --> 01:53:49,979 anymore. You know, he's, he's, he's, she's a victim of the 1739 01:53:49,979 --> 01:53:52,889 narrative. He really is. He really is. But there's a good 1740 01:53:52,889 --> 01:53:56,699 guy hiding in there. I can't help but think he knows he 1741 01:53:56,699 --> 01:54:00,389 knows. But he's in the weird position, I guess. 1742 01:54:01,170 --> 01:54:05,730 Yeah, he is. And for her to say that. No, racism is the 1743 01:54:05,730 --> 01:54:10,140 foundation of this country. If people hear that at first, and 1744 01:54:10,140 --> 01:54:15,660 don't go through the previous 18 clips are 19 clips are laid out. 1745 01:54:15,960 --> 01:54:18,780 Like what are you talking about? It freaks you out? Exactly. But 1746 01:54:18,780 --> 01:54:23,730 when you understand how sugar and cotton were the fuel, the 1747 01:54:23,730 --> 01:54:28,350 rocket fuel for this nation? And how that was basically 1748 01:54:28,350 --> 01:54:32,400 manufactured from black hands, black enslave hands. I mean, 1749 01:54:32,400 --> 01:54:35,550 could there's no other way you could pick those crops up into 1750 01:54:35,550 --> 01:54:40,140 1927 As stated, you know, from the southerners themselves. Now 1751 01:54:40,140 --> 01:54:43,290 you understand why you say racism is country is based off 1752 01:54:43,290 --> 01:54:46,350 racism. But if you throw it out there without supplying it, 1753 01:54:46,890 --> 01:54:48,810 people aren't What are you talking about? I mean, like, I 1754 01:54:48,810 --> 01:54:49,260 don't know, 1755 01:54:49,799 --> 01:54:55,379 what's not it's not even racism. It's the country developed as 1756 01:54:55,379 --> 01:54:58,469 the country developed. People started of course, it took way 1757 01:54:58,469 --> 01:55:02,159 too long. But People started to figure out, like, go back to the 1758 01:55:02,159 --> 01:55:04,349 beginning, oh, wait a minute, these are these people, these 1759 01:55:04,349 --> 01:55:07,019 are people, these are human beings. So it was a it was a 1760 01:55:07,019 --> 01:55:11,579 dual process, not a racist thing. It was just complete 1761 01:55:11,609 --> 01:55:15,719 ignorance. And God, you know, did they they barely believe the 1762 01:55:15,719 --> 01:55:19,379 world was round. I mean, it was a lot of learning in the time, 1763 01:55:20,040 --> 01:55:32,160 allegedly round, but not had been fair. Oh. So you had to 1764 01:55:32,160 --> 01:55:35,040 take all this in context. Even the founding fathers knew when 1765 01:55:35,040 --> 01:55:38,370 they were writing the Constitution, and you know, the 1766 01:55:38,370 --> 01:55:42,510 Bill of Rights and all these things. They knew it was wrong, 1767 01:55:42,510 --> 01:55:44,820 but it's like for the greater good, we're building this 1768 01:55:44,820 --> 01:55:47,340 nation, and it's going to be a beacon of light, you know, hope, 1769 01:55:47,370 --> 01:55:49,830 you know, it gets a monarchy, and, you know, those kinds of 1770 01:55:49,830 --> 01:55:56,070 things like, we might have to dabble in human trafficking, or 1771 01:55:56,100 --> 01:55:59,790 our own ownership of people or, you know, making people seem 1772 01:55:59,790 --> 01:56:03,420 like property, but it's for the greater good. Because you saw a 1773 01:56:03,420 --> 01:56:06,450 lot of the founding fathers free their slaves at their death. 1774 01:56:07,770 --> 01:56:12,420 Right. But the system while I'm alive, but when I die, it's so 1775 01:56:12,420 --> 01:56:17,700 they had an understanding of it, but it's I'll say this, how many 1776 01:56:17,700 --> 01:56:23,850 of us gonna give up on Nikes? Right? We know, yeah, for sure. 1777 01:56:23,850 --> 01:56:29,040 How many of us gonna give up our phones? No, I don't think so. So 1778 01:56:29,040 --> 01:56:32,340 I mean, you when we judge the Fade, we had to use a bit of 1779 01:56:35,790 --> 01:56:40,110 nuance. And not only that, but don't be hypocritical, because 1780 01:56:40,110 --> 01:56:44,040 we know how we get our Nikes we know how we get our hair weave. 1781 01:56:46,260 --> 01:56:48,810 Oh, yeah, we don't want to talk about that. So I'm not what I'm 1782 01:56:48,810 --> 01:56:51,660 not I'm not Pooh poohing. I'm just saying we have to look at 1783 01:56:51,660 --> 01:56:55,710 things in a certain perspective to say in that time, it was 1784 01:56:55,710 --> 01:57:01,290 acceptable. But now that we know better, what are we going to do 1785 01:57:01,290 --> 01:57:05,280 about it? Because there are people who still have real life 1786 01:57:05,820 --> 01:57:10,140 repercussions. I mean, this guy was 1960. He could easily have 1787 01:57:10,140 --> 01:57:12,960 children my age or grandchildren my age. 1788 01:57:14,640 --> 01:57:18,960 You know, it's kind of sad, just thinking through it. How the 1789 01:57:18,960 --> 01:57:27,090 cotton industry which made sugar and cotton made America, the 1790 01:57:27,120 --> 01:57:30,300 powerhouse that it is, that was the whole the whole genesis of 1791 01:57:30,300 --> 01:57:33,720 it, that we have so easily flipped that and then now we 1792 01:57:33,720 --> 01:57:37,350 just got some weaker slaves and China handling the cotton. You 1793 01:57:37,350 --> 01:57:38,160 know, it's like 1794 01:57:38,160 --> 01:57:42,060 what it has to be a bottom, there always has to be a bottom. 1795 01:57:45,750 --> 01:57:48,390 And that's the narrative against capitalism, right? I mean, 1796 01:57:48,390 --> 01:57:52,260 that's the that's the one. Narco capitalist myth, there always 1797 01:57:52,260 --> 01:57:55,350 has to be. And I'm saying that because they opened the door, 1798 01:57:55,350 --> 01:57:57,330 we're gonna get there walk through that door in a minute. 1799 01:57:57,690 --> 01:58:00,540 But to speak about the bottom, we have to go back that 1800 01:58:00,540 --> 01:58:04,860 throwback clip from show 48. And this is when we brought in the 1801 01:58:04,860 --> 01:58:08,460 idea of the ritual sacrifice, and striving to be white. 1802 01:58:09,330 --> 01:58:13,230 Gerard isolates three distinct bodies within the community, the 1803 01:58:13,230 --> 01:58:18,690 model, the rival, and the ritual victim. And he sees within the 1804 01:58:18,690 --> 01:58:22,650 community a driving function of competition, and the potential 1805 01:58:22,650 --> 01:58:26,610 for violence. So the model, in our case, the plantation elite, 1806 01:58:26,640 --> 01:58:29,760 or elite whites, are in possession of an object, they're 1807 01:58:29,760 --> 01:58:33,090 in possession of something. In the political realm, we might 1808 01:58:33,090 --> 01:58:37,470 think of the soleus capital. But if we think of it more broadly, 1809 01:58:37,650 --> 01:58:41,850 they're really in possession of something called white, which 1810 01:58:41,850 --> 01:58:45,630 stands for all sorts of things, concepts of election purity, 1811 01:58:45,660 --> 01:58:49,860 goodness, and provenance. And I was doing research in Weidner 1812 01:58:49,860 --> 01:58:54,630 library at Harvard, and they, they had this book. And it had 1813 01:58:54,660 --> 01:58:58,800 something like the 23 races of English people, which, which 1814 01:58:58,800 --> 01:59:04,380 sounds surprising, right? But not really, right. But it all 1815 01:59:04,380 --> 01:59:09,030 feeds into that chain moving towards the Elite model, the 1816 01:59:09,030 --> 01:59:13,440 person who is holding the desirable quality at the top. 1817 01:59:15,330 --> 01:59:20,700 Now, elites are able to generate allegiance, and they are able to 1818 01:59:20,700 --> 01:59:25,020 generate disciples by making whiteness a desirable quality. 1819 01:59:25,890 --> 01:59:31,290 Yeah, and as we've discussed many times, on the show, that 1820 01:59:31,290 --> 01:59:34,260 was very big in Europe is bringing some white people for 1821 01:59:34,260 --> 01:59:36,510 power, political power, we'll just call them white. 1822 01:59:37,890 --> 01:59:40,740 All right, and then you see why it's binary. Now. It's either 1823 01:59:40,740 --> 01:59:44,160 you're white or you're not. Yep. Now, and it's crazy because you 1824 01:59:44,160 --> 01:59:49,110 could have one child has three white grandparents weren't black 1825 01:59:49,110 --> 01:59:52,560 grandparent, he's black. And nobody blinks the arm when you 1826 01:59:52,560 --> 01:59:57,240 say that. I'm black. I mean, look at Meghan Markel. her 1827 01:59:57,240 --> 02:00:00,810 child's because he could easily consider itself black Nobody one 1828 02:00:00,810 --> 02:00:05,580 black guy, but you could have three white grandparents. One 1829 02:00:05,580 --> 02:00:08,370 black, I'm not home. You could have three black grandparents, 1830 02:00:08,370 --> 02:00:11,670 one white grandparent, you can't call yourself white. Why is 1831 02:00:11,670 --> 02:00:17,850 that? Yeah. I don't know. What's this though? No, I'm just saying 1832 02:00:17,850 --> 02:00:22,830 what system? If you met somebody and maybe they know they pretty 1833 02:00:22,830 --> 02:00:25,740 much will look like Barack Obama Right? Or maybe even dark, 1834 02:00:25,740 --> 02:00:29,460 right? And so I'm, I'm, you know, I know. I mean, they 1835 02:00:29,460 --> 02:00:34,110 explained to us now yeah, I'm white. And you like, what? Yeah, 1836 02:00:34,140 --> 02:00:38,370 no, no, I have a grandparent one of my grandparents are our wasp. 1837 02:00:41,550 --> 02:00:46,080 It wouldn't sit well with no of course not. But if you put that 1838 02:00:46,320 --> 02:00:50,850 180 degrees No, we're all used to it. It's good to go if if I 1839 02:00:50,850 --> 02:00:53,400 forget his name the baby you know, Santa baby mark will or 1840 02:00:53,400 --> 02:00:56,730 whatever, you know, cuz I said no, I identify as black. I 1841 02:00:56,730 --> 02:00:59,280 didn't pop my black. There's nobody says anything. That goes 1842 02:00:59,280 --> 02:01:03,420 to show you the one drop rule is striving to be white. It's still 1843 02:01:03,420 --> 02:01:03,840 alive. 1844 02:01:04,080 --> 02:01:08,400 And for the one drop rule, I'd refer you to episode number nine 1845 02:01:08,490 --> 02:01:11,970 is where you can go here. It's very it's well worth it. One of 1846 02:01:11,970 --> 02:01:14,400 the one of the big aha moments for me. 1847 02:01:15,090 --> 02:01:20,910 Yes. Now we had to venture on to Episode 43. And like I said, a 1848 02:01:20,940 --> 02:01:23,460 lot of this is gonna be throwback now. But I had to lay 1849 02:01:23,490 --> 02:01:26,670 out how we got to the conversation that we had. 1850 02:01:26,700 --> 02:01:29,190 No, you're just ratcheting us up to the top of the roller 1851 02:01:29,190 --> 02:01:31,410 coaster. We know what's happening. They know what you're 1852 02:01:31,410 --> 02:01:34,050 doing. Go ahead and tighten the chain. Let's get there. 1853 02:01:34,620 --> 02:01:39,810 All right. So take in mind sharecropping, being lynched, 1854 02:01:39,900 --> 02:01:43,560 digging your own grave being castrated. 1855 02:01:43,740 --> 02:01:47,070 What if someone showed up and just just said, Hey, we can 1856 02:01:47,070 --> 02:01:47,550 help? 1857 02:01:48,840 --> 02:01:50,070 How about communism? 1858 02:01:50,190 --> 02:01:53,430 How did you get interested in this topic? And as I mentioned, 1859 02:01:53,430 --> 02:01:56,910 it is a sensitive topic, because there are those for decades 1860 02:01:56,910 --> 02:02:00,540 who've worked to tamp down the suggestion that anybody in the 1861 02:02:00,540 --> 02:02:02,970 civil rights movement was attracted to the Communist Party 1862 02:02:03,030 --> 02:02:03,540 at all. 1863 02:02:03,930 --> 02:02:06,930 Exactly. And this is a story that actually predates the civil 1864 02:02:06,930 --> 02:02:11,220 rights movement, as we know it. Going back to the 1930s. I 1865 02:02:11,220 --> 02:02:15,570 became interested in this as a doctoral dissertation back in 1866 02:02:15,570 --> 02:02:19,620 the mid 80s, when I was very active in a lot of social 1867 02:02:19,620 --> 02:02:24,900 movements in actually in the LA area. And I wanted to know, how 1868 02:02:24,930 --> 02:02:29,370 the communist party organized African Americans, particularly 1869 02:02:29,370 --> 02:02:33,990 in places where black people were the majority. And there I 1870 02:02:33,990 --> 02:02:37,500 discovered a very vibrant movement that very few people 1871 02:02:37,500 --> 02:02:41,130 wrote about that, basically, were two stories, one memoir by 1872 02:02:41,460 --> 02:02:44,970 a man named Jose Hudson. And then another story in a book 1873 02:02:44,970 --> 02:02:47,820 called all God's dangers, which is about him, an African 1874 02:02:47,820 --> 02:02:48,960 American sharecropper, 1875 02:02:49,770 --> 02:02:51,060 just the life of Nate Shaw. I 1876 02:02:51,060 --> 02:02:54,840 remember that exactly. But his real name was Ned Cobb, and he 1877 02:02:54,870 --> 02:02:58,080 was a pseudonym. And it's a beautiful book that tells his 1878 02:02:58,080 --> 02:03:02,580 life story, only a portion of it deals with his membership in the 1879 02:03:02,580 --> 02:03:05,910 communist led sharecroppers union, which at one point, had 1880 02:03:05,910 --> 02:03:11,280 about 12,000 members in the blackbelt counties of Alabama, 1881 02:03:11,370 --> 02:03:15,540 and were all the members black. Well, in Alabama, there was a 1882 02:03:15,540 --> 02:03:19,530 point when basically all the members except one, two, all 1883 02:03:19,530 --> 02:03:26,850 African American sharecroppers and tenant farmers. Love that. 1884 02:03:28,020 --> 02:03:37,890 This is why I say what I say about atonement and justice. If 1885 02:03:37,890 --> 02:03:43,020 there were to atone for what happened and give these people 1886 02:03:43,020 --> 02:03:47,490 justice, you don't create a hotbed for outside interests to 1887 02:03:47,490 --> 02:03:51,600 come in and weaponize people against you. Within your 1888 02:03:51,600 --> 02:03:56,310 borders. This is bigger than black people. This is bigger 1889 02:03:56,310 --> 02:04:02,280 than a Das. You're creating the environment and keeping the 1890 02:04:02,280 --> 02:04:05,790 environment thriving for Marxism. Hello, do we not see 1891 02:04:05,790 --> 02:04:06,570 what's going on? 1892 02:04:06,630 --> 02:04:07,710 DLM NK 1893 02:04:09,630 --> 02:04:13,830 funded by who? We don't have to say who we know who I'm just 1894 02:04:13,830 --> 02:04:17,280 saying. So it's the same. I'm gonna draw these parallels now. 1895 02:04:18,150 --> 02:04:22,530 The same environment where Marxism communism could thrive 1896 02:04:22,530 --> 02:04:26,400 or the idea could thrive still exists today? Because the 1897 02:04:26,400 --> 02:04:29,910 atonement has never happened. And once you do atone for 1898 02:04:29,910 --> 02:04:34,170 whatever happened. Now, it's like, you know what, I de 1899 02:04:34,170 --> 02:04:37,890 weaponize your victim claim if you want to look at that way. 1900 02:04:38,160 --> 02:04:41,580 No, you can't bring that up anymore. But I won't bring that 1901 02:04:41,580 --> 02:04:44,580 up anymore. And the people that didn't go through that we can 1902 02:04:44,580 --> 02:04:46,980 alias like, you know, no, you're not Aidan. What are you what's 1903 02:04:46,980 --> 02:04:50,580 your complaint? You can't you can't hear oh, you're all free. 1904 02:04:50,580 --> 02:04:53,850 We'll Why are you What do you have to do? I mean, this is this 1905 02:04:53,850 --> 02:05:00,000 is this is family business, in a way because this but yeah, how 1906 02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:03,630 hoped to see why this is important. While that was 1907 02:05:03,630 --> 02:05:04,200 happening, and 1908 02:05:04,200 --> 02:05:07,260 we're making, we're making the same stupid mistakes, 1909 02:05:08,940 --> 02:05:13,620 what has been resolved nothing, no. And, and I'll say that on 1910 02:05:13,620 --> 02:05:17,670 both sides, the Boulay membership, don't help me build 1911 02:05:17,670 --> 02:05:19,890 a leadership doesn't help because they just come in. And 1912 02:05:19,890 --> 02:05:22,830 they know, we've had the conversation. I didn't clip it 1913 02:05:22,860 --> 02:05:26,220 on him any clips in here? They just profit off of black 1914 02:05:26,220 --> 02:05:30,390 suffering. Yes, I Oh, yeah. Look how poor your bad black people 1915 02:05:31,740 --> 02:05:34,200 will manage the money will manage the money for them will 1916 02:05:34,200 --> 02:05:36,540 take care of because you know, they didn't they only buy Gucci. 1917 02:05:36,540 --> 02:05:37,620 So we got to take care of it. 1918 02:05:38,099 --> 02:05:41,759 And it never reaches the people. And then you have this perpetual 1919 02:05:41,759 --> 02:05:46,769 suffering and victimization that thrives and you know, as a 1920 02:05:47,309 --> 02:05:52,169 breeding ground for these foreign ideas, which, trust me. 1921 02:05:54,119 --> 02:06:02,129 We know how communism ends. poorly. And really, if I'm gonna 1922 02:06:02,129 --> 02:06:05,489 say this, and it may be a heartache. If the south got 1923 02:06:05,489 --> 02:06:08,579 their act together and would win the free day slaves, I would 1924 02:06:08,579 --> 02:06:10,499 think they would have probably won the Civil War. 1925 02:06:12,090 --> 02:06:16,770 Yeah, I think that's yeah, real possibility. That would have 1926 02:06:16,770 --> 02:06:18,150 changed the course of history. 1927 02:06:18,810 --> 02:06:21,870 And then you fast forward. And now the only problem the 1928 02:06:21,870 --> 02:06:24,780 Republicans have with black people is racing relations. 1929 02:06:24,810 --> 02:06:27,450 Yeah, if you just want to take it to political, if they 1930 02:06:27,450 --> 02:06:33,300 resolved that issue. A lot of the, you know, planks of the 1931 02:06:33,300 --> 02:06:36,900 Republican Party black people on board for black people are very 1932 02:06:36,900 --> 02:06:42,180 conservative, you know, faith based? What is that? One thing 1933 02:06:42,180 --> 02:06:46,920 is that is the pm in the mattress. I mean, that, that you 1934 02:06:46,920 --> 02:06:51,030 know, that that won't people let people rest? Is this race 1935 02:06:51,030 --> 02:06:53,850 relations? Which atonement was all for? And like I said, I'm 1936 02:06:53,850 --> 02:06:59,190 just not. I'm just explaining to you. This is the tangible ask, 1937 02:06:59,190 --> 02:07:03,240 right? This is the maturation process of 2020 of black people 1938 02:07:03,240 --> 02:07:08,250 in America. It's like, you know, what's going on? You know, what 1939 02:07:08,250 --> 02:07:12,540 happened, as the Internet came about smartphone YouTube, a lot 1940 02:07:12,540 --> 02:07:18,060 more people know. It's not like I'm digging up these facts from, 1941 02:07:18,330 --> 02:07:22,110 you know, ancient or antiquated workbooks, 1942 02:07:22,230 --> 02:07:26,880 we have such forces working against this type of awakening 1943 02:07:26,880 --> 02:07:30,450 this type of knowledge, you know, do with just the, you 1944 02:07:30,450 --> 02:07:33,330 know, we talk a lot about it, but with narratives and 1945 02:07:33,330 --> 02:07:36,870 positioning statements, and entire, and I think a lot of 1946 02:07:36,870 --> 02:07:41,250 these people actually may not even be so bad willed. But 1947 02:07:41,250 --> 02:07:46,050 they're financed by people who have no good in mind, often. And 1948 02:07:46,050 --> 02:07:48,450 then people just, you know, they've gotten the story. 1949 02:07:48,450 --> 02:07:51,600 They're under informed and they go out and they do whatever they 1950 02:07:51,600 --> 02:07:56,040 think is right. And it's it's such a destructive, vicious 1951 02:07:56,040 --> 02:07:56,580 cycle. 1952 02:07:57,900 --> 02:08:00,150 And what was the takeaway dispatched for it was saying, 1953 02:08:00,180 --> 02:08:02,520 Bring us the real time right now, before we get back into the 1954 02:08:02,520 --> 02:08:06,630 clips. What was the argument and the big takeaway from the 1955 02:08:06,630 --> 02:08:09,870 debates? Trump's a white supremacist 1956 02:08:11,460 --> 02:08:15,630 supremacist, the only thing that nothing else came out of it. 1957 02:08:15,630 --> 02:08:18,330 You're so right. Oh, my, yeah. 1958 02:08:19,350 --> 02:08:24,060 Who are they talking to? Yeah, I keep telling this whole election 1959 02:08:24,060 --> 02:08:29,640 hinges off of what black men are gonna do. That was the whole 1960 02:08:29,640 --> 02:08:32,910 talking point of the Democrats is oh, he's a white supremacist 1961 02:08:32,910 --> 02:08:35,580 he wants Oh, he won't, you know, he won't denounce, 1962 02:08:35,610 --> 02:08:39,210 he's trotting out his kryptonite black people. And here he comes 1963 02:08:39,210 --> 02:08:41,520 with a plan. And like I said, I haven't looked into all the nuts 1964 02:08:41,520 --> 02:08:46,560 and bolts of the plan. And it sounds very similar to Mary Ann 1965 02:08:46,560 --> 02:08:51,420 waves his plan. I mean, to be honest, he might have, you know, 1966 02:08:51,420 --> 02:08:54,120 borrowed that from her even down to the dollar amount. Well, 1967 02:08:55,050 --> 02:08:58,500 there's no doubt when you want to package something. He's the 1968 02:08:58,500 --> 02:09:02,520 best, of course, package that up as the platinum plan for 1969 02:09:02,520 --> 02:09:05,820 America's blacks was. Trump 1970 02:09:05,849 --> 02:09:07,829 understands the culture he does 1971 02:09:08,370 --> 02:09:13,320 was way, way, way over the top and just perfect. What's in it 1972 02:09:13,350 --> 02:09:15,720 is not really what you're looking for. I agree. No, 1973 02:09:15,720 --> 02:09:21,690 what I'm saying is, and it's this weird thing, I'm going to 1974 02:09:21,690 --> 02:09:25,350 draw a point. Mary Ann Williams, his whole point with atonement, 1975 02:09:25,350 --> 02:09:29,070 right. We have a spiritual problem. Race, right? The race 1976 02:09:29,070 --> 02:09:31,350 problem is really a spiritual problem. That's what she kept 1977 02:09:31,350 --> 02:09:33,840 harping on about, even though she comes from it from a new 1978 02:09:33,840 --> 02:09:38,100 agey kind of point of view, but she was saying is this spiritual 1979 02:09:38,100 --> 02:09:40,680 like no, not to put words in her mouth like infection that we 1980 02:09:40,680 --> 02:09:47,520 have? That has to be you know, know, purged? She comes up with 1981 02:09:47,520 --> 02:09:53,160 a $500 million plan. Everybody on one side claps yay, yay, yay. 1982 02:09:53,160 --> 02:09:55,980 But then the other guy comes with a 500 million I mean, it's 1983 02:09:55,980 --> 02:10:01,860 gonna be $500 billion plan. Yeah, it was like that I'm just 1984 02:10:01,860 --> 02:10:04,890 going to show you how narrative works. But let's get back into 1985 02:10:04,890 --> 02:10:10,350 these clips. And the second clip from how communism was brought 1986 02:10:10,980 --> 02:10:11,670 to the sell. 1987 02:10:11,910 --> 02:10:14,760 How did the Communist Party get started in Alabama, 1988 02:10:15,270 --> 02:10:21,300 in 1928, the communists position in nationally was that African 1989 02:10:21,300 --> 02:10:24,810 Americans in the South have the right to self determination, 1990 02:10:24,810 --> 02:10:28,170 meaning they have the right to create their own nation in the 1991 02:10:28,170 --> 02:10:33,390 South. In this position that came out of Moscow, it came from 1992 02:10:33,390 --> 02:10:38,700 other black communists around the globe. And with that idea in 1993 02:10:38,700 --> 02:10:42,750 mind, they sent to organizers to Alabama and they went to 1994 02:10:42,750 --> 02:10:45,450 Birmingham. And he chose Birmingham because it was 1995 02:10:45,450 --> 02:10:50,340 probably the most industrialized city in the south. And they went 1996 02:10:50,340 --> 02:10:52,890 there thinking they would organize white workers and from 1997 02:10:52,890 --> 02:10:56,340 white workers, black workers would follow. But no white works 1998 02:10:56,340 --> 02:11:00,540 have come forward. And so the first two organizers was a guy 1999 02:11:00,540 --> 02:11:05,010 named James Julio, who was a Sicilian worker who had migrated 2000 02:11:05,010 --> 02:11:08,850 to Alabama, and another guy named Tom Johnson. And together, 2001 02:11:09,450 --> 02:11:13,110 they went out looking for white workers in black workers came. 2002 02:11:13,890 --> 02:11:16,800 And black workers came in fairly large numbers right away, 2003 02:11:17,220 --> 02:11:21,000 because for them, they had a memory of Reconstruction in 2004 02:11:21,000 --> 02:11:24,930 memory of the Civil War. And in that kind of collective memory, 2005 02:11:25,200 --> 02:11:27,960 they were told that one day the Yankees would come back and 2006 02:11:27,960 --> 02:11:31,080 finish the fight. Or when they saw these white communists, they 2007 02:11:31,080 --> 02:11:33,660 said, Oh, good, the Yankees are here. We can't wait to join. 2008 02:11:34,080 --> 02:11:36,810 This is one of my favorite clips from all the episodes we've done 2009 02:11:36,810 --> 02:11:42,960 that episode 43 It's so it's now you understand why when we look 2010 02:11:42,960 --> 02:11:47,640 at Black Lives Matter, Inc. and the Self avowed the train 2011 02:11:47,640 --> 02:11:53,220 Marxists like this is it's a repeat of history. It's a total 2012 02:11:53,220 --> 02:11:56,310 repeat. And it's it's kind of maddening when you think about 2013 02:11:56,310 --> 02:11:58,380 it, because this is, this is not taught 2014 02:11:59,130 --> 02:12:02,250 very well. You're not the only iteration of this because a lot 2015 02:12:02,250 --> 02:12:06,150 of oil with the black plant back Black Panthers. Yep, they were 2016 02:12:06,150 --> 02:12:13,200 big, Maoist. Very big Mao was in his Little Red Book. Yep. But I 2017 02:12:13,200 --> 02:12:18,090 won't go down that rabbit hole on this show. But yeah, this 2018 02:12:19,200 --> 02:12:22,590 America's gonna I'm gonna just say this. America is gonna keep 2019 02:12:22,590 --> 02:12:23,580 playing with fire. 2020 02:12:24,840 --> 02:12:30,450 And this thought process is gonna take hold. If we don't put 2021 02:12:30,450 --> 02:12:34,620 it out the racial fire? Yes. Well, this is this 2022 02:12:34,620 --> 02:12:38,310 is. This is the time and when it's time to do it. That's why 2023 02:12:38,520 --> 02:12:41,880 especially with the bullcrap doing the work, you know, white 2024 02:12:41,880 --> 02:12:46,380 fragility? I mean, people are trying to solve this with very, 2025 02:12:46,410 --> 02:12:53,010 very either poor intentions or just idiocy, no knowledge of 2026 02:12:53,010 --> 02:12:56,700 really what what's, what the background is. So yeah, matches 2027 02:12:56,700 --> 02:12:59,550 the time, this is the time to stop it and get some education 2028 02:12:59,550 --> 02:13:02,130 out there. We're just gonna keep going through this every 20 2029 02:13:02,130 --> 02:13:02,760 years, 2030 02:13:03,060 --> 02:13:05,940 and imagining when a foreign nation or if a foreign nation 2031 02:13:05,940 --> 02:13:08,400 steps in and said yeah, give them what they want. Give them 2032 02:13:08,400 --> 02:13:12,630 that tangible where it's gonna be on the path to Marxism or 2033 02:13:12,630 --> 02:13:13,650 communism, you could 2034 02:13:13,650 --> 02:13:16,500 flip that you could flip the country to Russia in a heartbeat 2035 02:13:17,910 --> 02:13:25,140 or any Yeah, we're China or China. I'm telling you because 2036 02:13:25,200 --> 02:13:31,650 I'm capitalism has its problems. But they pale in comparison, and 2037 02:13:31,650 --> 02:13:36,450 that's just my personal belief. I in a truly and we're not like 2038 02:13:36,480 --> 02:13:38,580 we don't live in a capitalist society. Right now. We live in a 2039 02:13:38,580 --> 02:13:41,610 corporatist society or techno technocracy or however you want 2040 02:13:41,610 --> 02:13:44,820 to put it in a true capitalist society where you buy from 2041 02:13:44,820 --> 02:13:50,250 oneself or to everybody, you know, have equal chance to, you 2042 02:13:50,250 --> 02:13:53,130 know, loans and funding and those kinds of things and best 2043 02:13:53,130 --> 02:14:00,240 man wins. And that's what all for. Not everybody gets the same 2044 02:14:00,240 --> 02:14:00,510 thing. 2045 02:14:00,540 --> 02:14:03,630 healthy competition, which is basically capitalism, free 2046 02:14:03,630 --> 02:14:05,910 markets. The stuff we are built on. 2047 02:14:06,660 --> 02:14:11,580 Right, but as it's called, is called race. So there is a 2048 02:14:11,580 --> 02:14:16,020 competition within the competition. And I would love to 2049 02:14:16,020 --> 02:14:19,230 see it more looked at like the Olympics. All the nations coming 2050 02:14:19,230 --> 02:14:21,330 together from their different nation, different colors, 2051 02:14:21,330 --> 02:14:25,200 creeds, religions, and they say, okay, who's the fastest runner? 2052 02:14:25,770 --> 02:14:28,950 Who's the highest jumper? Who's the fastest swimmer? Why can't 2053 02:14:28,950 --> 02:14:32,160 we do that economics? Why do we have to tilt the scale? 2054 02:14:35,250 --> 02:14:37,950 Well, it doesn't behoove the very rich people now does it? 2055 02:14:38,460 --> 02:14:40,530 Well, they get better be careful, because that's the 2056 02:14:40,530 --> 02:14:41,100 first one. 2057 02:14:42,390 --> 02:14:46,230 Sometimes your your head winds up in a basket. Sometimes you 2058 02:14:46,230 --> 02:14:46,770 never know what 2059 02:14:48,150 --> 02:14:53,520 he's saying. It can't be that bad to deal with this. But okay, 2060 02:14:53,520 --> 02:14:57,870 so we that's covering the people that stayed in the early 1900s, 2061 02:14:57,870 --> 02:15:03,030 you know, MIT to midnight on 1900. is in American south for 2062 02:15:03,030 --> 02:15:06,900 black people. The other option was to leave the south if you 2063 02:15:06,900 --> 02:15:10,440 were able to, I mean, cuz as you heard in the previous clips that 2064 02:15:10,440 --> 02:15:15,300 could end up in death. But if you were able to leave, you 2065 02:15:15,570 --> 02:15:17,580 participate in the Great Migration. 2066 02:15:17,940 --> 02:15:21,690 This map shows the black belt of the United States. Its name 2067 02:15:21,690 --> 02:15:24,840 comes from the fertile soil associated with the region. And 2068 02:15:24,840 --> 02:15:28,110 for most of America's history, more than 90% of the country's 2069 02:15:28,110 --> 02:15:31,350 largest minority group have lived here. Starting in the 2070 02:15:31,350 --> 02:15:33,990 early 20th century, nearly half of the African American 2071 02:15:33,990 --> 02:15:36,930 population left this region to resettle in emerging Northern 2072 02:15:36,930 --> 02:15:39,930 and Midwestern cities. It was one of the largest internal 2073 02:15:39,930 --> 02:15:43,560 migrations in US history. And now data indicates that a new 2074 02:15:43,560 --> 02:15:47,820 movement is taking shape. To understand why, let's go back to 2075 02:15:47,820 --> 02:15:51,660 1865. The Emancipation Proclamation ended slavery and 2076 02:15:51,660 --> 02:15:54,720 started a new era for colored people in the States. Shortly 2077 02:15:54,720 --> 02:15:58,170 after the 13th 14th and 15th amendments in franchise people 2078 02:15:58,170 --> 02:16:01,170 of color at large. For the first time, the majority of black 2079 02:16:01,170 --> 02:16:06,030 Americans controlled their own destinies. In the years 2080 02:16:06,030 --> 02:16:08,640 immediately following emancipation, most freed slaves 2081 02:16:08,670 --> 02:16:11,370 chose to stay in their communities. After all, the only 2082 02:16:11,370 --> 02:16:14,430 America they had known was the South. It was common for the 2083 02:16:14,430 --> 02:16:16,980 descendants to work as sharecroppers on plantations, 2084 02:16:17,280 --> 02:16:19,650 sometimes their only payment was permission to live on the 2085 02:16:19,650 --> 02:16:22,320 property. But that wasn't the worst aspect of the South for 2086 02:16:22,320 --> 02:16:22,860 blacks. 2087 02:16:23,760 --> 02:16:28,170 Jim Crow caste system determined where you could eat what 2088 02:16:28,170 --> 02:16:32,760 platform you stood on when you were catching a train. This was 2089 02:16:32,790 --> 02:16:37,230 a rigid caste system in which any breach of the caste system 2090 02:16:37,230 --> 02:16:38,970 could literally mean your life. 2091 02:16:39,180 --> 02:16:42,390 That's author and journalist Isabel Wilkerson. She spent 15 2092 02:16:42,390 --> 02:16:44,850 years compiling the stories of black exodus to cities in the 2093 02:16:44,850 --> 02:16:47,880 north, Midwest and west, the movement would come to be known 2094 02:16:47,880 --> 02:16:49,140 as the Great Migration. 2095 02:16:52,800 --> 02:16:57,420 The only problem with the great migration was you left the 2096 02:16:57,420 --> 02:17:03,060 South, you left everything you knew you left your land. And you 2097 02:17:03,060 --> 02:17:07,470 went to the cities where you weren't, you weren't, weren't 2098 02:17:07,470 --> 02:17:08,640 really on, won't it? 2099 02:17:09,750 --> 02:17:12,810 No, and there was no food because you couldn't have land 2100 02:17:12,810 --> 02:17:16,680 to make food. So yeah, there was it was a tough journey, a tough, 2101 02:17:16,740 --> 02:17:17,790 tough destination. 2102 02:17:18,420 --> 02:17:21,330 And a lot of times, the women were shutting the house all day. 2103 02:17:21,360 --> 02:17:23,910 I mean, it wasn't safe to come out in the neighborhood they had 2104 02:17:23,910 --> 02:17:28,950 they were forced to live in. It was one piece called a tenement 2105 02:17:29,220 --> 02:17:32,430 that I'll get into later on, and one of our one of our shows to 2106 02:17:32,430 --> 02:17:41,190 come that it was a hellhole. It was a hellhole and black 2107 02:17:41,190 --> 02:17:45,150 publications personally participated in this propaganda 2108 02:17:46,200 --> 02:17:51,510 to draw people to the north. Now the great migration laws up 2109 02:17:52,320 --> 02:17:58,470 almost to a tee with World War One. The beginning the first 2110 02:17:58,470 --> 02:18:02,010 wave, because you had a lot of white men going out to fight you 2111 02:18:02,010 --> 02:18:07,680 had to backfill those jobs. You backfill those jobs with people 2112 02:18:07,680 --> 02:18:10,890 coming from the south. Now, I will say this, as we heard in 2113 02:18:10,890 --> 02:18:14,850 the previous cotton clip, the mechanically picking cotton came 2114 02:18:14,850 --> 02:18:20,250 about in 1927. So that put a lot of black people out of a job. So 2115 02:18:20,250 --> 02:18:23,730 they had to go north. And then you had the pressure of the you 2116 02:18:23,730 --> 02:18:27,720 know, the kk k, which was nothing but a domestic terrorist 2117 02:18:27,720 --> 02:18:32,670 group, applying pressure to run people north. But it's very, 2118 02:18:32,670 --> 02:18:38,460 it's very sketchy what was going on there. And like I said, this 2119 02:18:38,460 --> 02:18:43,470 is this is not only a throwback but this show, but this is also 2120 02:18:43,470 --> 02:18:46,110 what we're going to get into moving forward breaking down 2121 02:18:46,110 --> 02:18:49,710 what happened in the great migration, and this is the birth 2122 02:18:49,740 --> 02:18:52,080 of your one of your favorite words, urban. 2123 02:18:52,680 --> 02:18:56,010 In 1915, African Americans began to leave the black belt for 2124 02:18:56,010 --> 02:19:01,080 these new industrial centers in 1929 1.5 million African 2125 02:19:01,080 --> 02:19:05,760 Americans have resettled in new northern metro areas. At the 2126 02:19:05,760 --> 02:19:09,000 time, Americans participation in World War One drove demand for 2127 02:19:09,000 --> 02:19:12,540 manufacturing labor. But strict immigration laws left northern 2128 02:19:12,540 --> 02:19:15,810 factories with a shortage of workers. factories in the north 2129 02:19:15,810 --> 02:19:19,170 started recruiting low skilled workers from the south. The 2130 02:19:19,170 --> 02:19:21,570 workers face discrimination in their new homes, which 2131 02:19:21,570 --> 02:19:25,800 culminated in the red summer of 1919. Migrant blacks, whites and 2132 02:19:25,800 --> 02:19:28,590 European immigrants were all competing for limited housing 2133 02:19:28,590 --> 02:19:32,010 and resources, which exacerbated relationships in city centers. 2134 02:19:33,030 --> 02:19:35,640 The most prominent of these settlements for migrating blacks 2135 02:19:35,640 --> 02:19:38,490 was in New York City, and the art, music and theater that 2136 02:19:38,520 --> 02:19:41,100 emerged from this community became known as the Harlem 2137 02:19:41,100 --> 02:19:44,580 Renaissance. These artistic achievements redefined the 2138 02:19:44,580 --> 02:19:48,150 cultural image of blacks in America. But the stock market 2139 02:19:48,150 --> 02:19:51,960 crash of 1929 ensuing Great Depression slowed the influx 2140 02:19:51,960 --> 02:19:55,230 from the south and effectively ended the first migration. The 2141 02:19:55,230 --> 02:19:58,320 second wave began in the 40s when World War Two kick started 2142 02:19:58,320 --> 02:20:00,690 manufacturing again, oh agricole. After employment in 2143 02:20:00,690 --> 02:20:04,050 the south plummeted, once again, people living in the world South 2144 02:20:04,050 --> 02:20:07,980 began to migrate to cities. manufacturing hubs in the West 2145 02:20:07,980 --> 02:20:11,100 were far more prominent in the second movement, but only a 2146 02:20:11,100 --> 02:20:13,500 fraction of skilled labor positions went to African 2147 02:20:13,500 --> 02:20:17,190 Americans. At the end of the second migration, an estimated 2148 02:20:17,190 --> 02:20:20,490 five to 8 million blacks had resettled outside of the South. 2149 02:20:21,180 --> 02:20:21,870 Kind of 2150 02:20:21,870 --> 02:20:25,950 interesting in the context of how immigration or certainly 2151 02:20:25,950 --> 02:20:31,080 illegal immigration has affected a das blacks in America. And 2152 02:20:31,080 --> 02:20:34,350 that's just a modest it's still a modern topic. And back then I 2153 02:20:34,350 --> 02:20:37,140 was like, Well, we had really tough rules. So Oh, guess what, 2154 02:20:37,140 --> 02:20:40,020 half the black people come up and do it their own people? 2155 02:20:42,630 --> 02:20:46,950 Yeah, and, and the crazy thing is, so we got to look at the 2156 02:20:46,950 --> 02:20:52,230 first wave, second wave were both driven by global wars. That 2157 02:20:52,230 --> 02:20:56,610 was it. And a couple points. I want to make one, the way they 2158 02:20:56,610 --> 02:21:01,710 use propaganda. So there we use stories like Emmett Till. Emmett 2159 02:21:01,710 --> 02:21:05,220 Till was, it was a true happening. But you got to think 2160 02:21:05,220 --> 02:21:10,560 why would the American press pick up on this story? I mean, 2161 02:21:10,770 --> 02:21:15,900 there's no benefit to it. to air out your dirty laundry, right? 2162 02:21:15,930 --> 02:21:19,110 Unless you want to use it to scare black people in the South. 2163 02:21:19,140 --> 02:21:23,970 Hello. To give up their land and move north. Now I'll give you a 2164 02:21:24,690 --> 02:21:28,110 copy or juxtapose that to a story that happened in Chicago 2165 02:21:28,110 --> 02:21:31,290 at a beach. A black kid was swimming on the black side of 2166 02:21:31,290 --> 02:21:34,350 the beach floating. I think he fell asleep or whatever. It 2167 02:21:34,350 --> 02:21:38,130 ended up floating and to the white water area. You know, they 2168 02:21:38,130 --> 02:21:39,720 stoned him to death in the water? 2169 02:21:40,740 --> 02:21:43,410 Yeah, I think we I think you told me this one before. 2170 02:21:43,440 --> 02:21:46,650 Yeah. I think we went over? Well, what I'm saying is, but 2171 02:21:46,650 --> 02:21:49,950 that never made the news. Why? Because you want to keep keep 2172 02:21:49,950 --> 02:21:52,470 the people flowing north, because that's cheap labor. 2173 02:21:52,620 --> 02:21:57,270 cheap labor, puts pressure on your white workers to drive down 2174 02:21:57,270 --> 02:22:03,990 wages. So we're always used as this wedge or our, you know, a 2175 02:22:03,990 --> 02:22:10,320 mechanism. And then when you see like now, even what black people 2176 02:22:10,320 --> 02:22:12,600 were saying, Hey, why are you letting all those illegals 2177 02:22:12,600 --> 02:22:15,510 coming out country? They're taking our jobs, they're keeping 2178 02:22:15,510 --> 02:22:19,980 the wages low? You had the same thing going on with so called 2179 02:22:19,980 --> 02:22:23,430 white people, because they were only allowed to be white when it 2180 02:22:23,430 --> 02:22:28,440 was convenient for the truly white people, you know, to beef 2181 02:22:28,440 --> 02:22:31,440 up their ranks, as we talked about with the gangs in New York 2182 02:22:31,440 --> 02:22:34,560 clips from the previous show. If I Okay, yeah, we got to graft a 2183 02:22:34,560 --> 02:22:36,810 man where our numbers are low, you know, okay, you can be 2184 02:22:36,810 --> 02:22:39,930 white, you can be white, you can be white. And to show you that 2185 02:22:39,930 --> 02:22:47,610 this bottom deer is not only white against black, but black 2186 02:22:47,610 --> 02:22:50,700 against black, as I laid out with your political class, the 2187 02:22:50,700 --> 02:22:54,780 black women are using black men now. The first wave of black 2188 02:22:54,780 --> 02:22:59,520 people that went in the 1940s Hate it to see the black people 2189 02:22:59,520 --> 02:23:04,680 coming in the 1940s. Right. David had calls and laws Oh, you 2190 02:23:04,680 --> 02:23:07,410 can't sit on your front porch. Or you can't eat watermelon 2191 02:23:07,410 --> 02:23:09,750 outside and he was in your front yard. Because there was the 2192 02:23:09,750 --> 02:23:12,930 optics. It's like, we're good upstanding black people. You 2193 02:23:12,930 --> 02:23:18,660 can't bring those country bumpkin ways up here. So there 2194 02:23:18,690 --> 02:23:21,240 always have to be I'm not keep saying that. But it always has 2195 02:23:21,240 --> 02:23:25,170 to be a bottom bottom. And that so that's like a Baltimore 2196 02:23:25,410 --> 02:23:33,360 scenario, where it's all a DOS running the city, and they're 2197 02:23:33,360 --> 02:23:36,240 keeping the bottom right where they want them to be. 2198 02:23:36,869 --> 02:23:40,109 Because they can't pay off the bottom. Yeah, look at all this 2199 02:23:40,109 --> 02:23:42,269 crime. We got to do something about it. We need more money. We 2200 02:23:42,269 --> 02:23:45,869 need more funding we need you know, we need more programs and 2201 02:23:45,869 --> 02:23:50,759 the money never trickles down to the people. Right. Tom, I just 2202 02:23:50,759 --> 02:23:53,429 say that it's like okay, Stan, and south and be inoculated with 2203 02:23:53,429 --> 02:23:59,429 communism. move north and be isolated from everything, you 2204 02:23:59,429 --> 02:24:03,389 know, because we're agricultural people. And I'll say that. Just 2205 02:24:03,419 --> 02:24:07,199 even now, me being back in the rural area, sunshine, fresh 2206 02:24:07,229 --> 02:24:12,149 water, fresh air. It locks up the enemy. I can't tell you what 2207 02:24:12,149 --> 02:24:17,369 it is Adam, I cannot tell you what it is. But just being here. 2208 02:24:18,779 --> 02:24:22,109 took me back to where I came from. Sure. And I'm not ashamed 2209 02:24:22,109 --> 02:24:24,959 to say I'm not saying my grandfather had an outhouse. I 2210 02:24:24,959 --> 02:24:29,549 used outhouse before. I mean, like, this is not. People want 2211 02:24:29,549 --> 02:24:33,659 to antiquated stuff and make it so far distant. History isn't 2212 02:24:34,140 --> 02:24:37,140 back to koonta kente. But no, that's not the way it is. 2213 02:24:38,790 --> 02:24:42,660 It's not like I said, I've used the outhouse before. Several 2214 02:24:42,660 --> 02:24:46,200 times. That we go to the we'll get water. 2215 02:24:46,800 --> 02:24:49,650 You should wash your hands before you come to the podcast, 2216 02:24:49,650 --> 02:24:50,370 that's for sure. 2217 02:24:52,380 --> 02:24:58,530 I mean, very clean, very clean, but just saying to put that in 2218 02:24:58,530 --> 02:25:02,640 context. Isn't that crazy? We're in 2020, and, you know, four or 2219 02:25:02,640 --> 02:25:08,730 five years old, I mean, in my lifetime. So just to lay out lay 2220 02:25:08,730 --> 02:25:11,700 that out that those were our two options. And then we went into 2221 02:25:11,700 --> 02:25:13,950 CDs while brought up earlier because you always say, what is 2222 02:25:13,950 --> 02:25:17,910 the urban come from what is now the new sending in with black 2223 02:25:17,910 --> 02:25:21,750 with urban was city was, you know, the city centers they used 2224 02:25:21,750 --> 02:25:27,510 to call Nautilus at the time it Funkadelic Yeah, exactly. Call 2225 02:25:27,510 --> 02:25:35,190 it CC Yeah, taco city. So you have these things. And it goes 2226 02:25:35,190 --> 02:25:38,460 from Okay, black being synonymous with rural 2227 02:25:38,580 --> 02:25:44,910 agriculture. Now you have it with urban, urban projects. 2228 02:25:44,940 --> 02:25:48,150 Right, right, is when the projects came along, and the 2229 02:25:48,150 --> 02:25:52,890 public housing and we talked about those things, and where 2230 02:25:52,890 --> 02:25:58,350 are we at on, but there was progress made from the 1940s to 2231 02:25:58,350 --> 02:26:02,730 the 1960s. And you don't have to believe me, believe Thomas oil 2232 02:26:03,000 --> 02:26:05,940 discrimination and disparities quote, The plain fact is that 2233 02:26:05,940 --> 02:26:11,880 black the black poverty rate declined from 87% in 1940, to 2234 02:26:11,880 --> 02:26:17,460 47% in 1960. Prior to the expansion of the welfare state 2235 02:26:17,460 --> 02:26:20,100 that began in the 1960s, under the Johnson administration, 2236 02:26:20,430 --> 02:26:23,250 there was a far more modest decline in the poverty rate 2237 02:26:23,250 --> 02:26:28,890 among blacks after the war on poverty began slowly. How could 2238 02:26:28,890 --> 02:26:29,160 that? 2239 02:26:30,510 --> 02:26:34,680 Well, it could be it could be because the things that they 2240 02:26:34,680 --> 02:26:38,010 thought was going to help did not help and in many cases made 2241 02:26:38,010 --> 02:26:43,200 things much worse. One would be the welfare state, which provide 2242 02:26:43,200 --> 02:26:46,050 and the other would be things like minimum wages, which just 2243 02:26:46,050 --> 02:26:49,500 price people out of their jobs. It's amazing how that simple 2244 02:26:49,500 --> 02:26:52,080 concept never seems to get through to so many people. 2245 02:26:53,730 --> 02:26:57,540 All right, crime. And in this case, you're writing not only 2246 02:26:57,540 --> 02:26:59,790 about African Americans, but about low income people 2247 02:26:59,790 --> 02:27:02,880 generally, in the United States murder rates, rates of infection 2248 02:27:02,880 --> 02:27:05,760 among with venereal diseases and rates of teenage pregnancies 2249 02:27:05,760 --> 02:27:09,180 were among the social pathologies, who steep declines, 2250 02:27:09,240 --> 02:27:14,940 declines were suddenly reversed in the 1960s. No, there was 2251 02:27:14,940 --> 02:27:19,260 rapid violence and other Social Pathology is common among low 2252 02:27:19,260 --> 02:27:22,500 income people in the first half of the 20th century, when they 2253 02:27:22,500 --> 02:27:26,550 were more deprived, as in the second half, when the welfare 2254 02:27:26,550 --> 02:27:30,420 state had made them better off in material terms, close quote. 2255 02:27:30,720 --> 02:27:37,200 Again. It's not the intention of anybody enacting the welfare 2256 02:27:37,200 --> 02:27:42,600 state to cause increases in violence. But it happened. 2257 02:27:43,350 --> 02:27:47,820 This is where the lazy Yeah, really exactly happened. This is 2258 02:27:47,820 --> 02:27:53,130 exactly where where's the phrase? I'm from the government 2259 02:27:53,130 --> 02:27:56,640 I'm here to help comes from and a war on poverty, where to 2260 02:27:56,640 --> 02:28:02,190 create one kind of poverty, war on drugs. War on Terror, 2261 02:28:02,190 --> 02:28:03,030 anybody? 2262 02:28:04,440 --> 02:28:08,130 What was the trade off for that help? Yeah. 2263 02:28:09,390 --> 02:28:14,760 But also talk, like to point out that and this is, this is always 2264 02:28:14,760 --> 02:28:20,280 seen as a Republican, Grand Old Party, conserve conservative, 2265 02:28:20,280 --> 02:28:25,710 right wing, crazy ass talking point. But I can tell you from 2266 02:28:25,710 --> 02:28:29,340 listening to this, and the learning, minimum wage is 2267 02:28:29,340 --> 02:28:30,570 actually racist. 2268 02:28:34,620 --> 02:28:41,160 Here's the problem with minimum wage. You keep less entry 2269 02:28:41,160 --> 02:28:45,780 workers from working. And what I mean by entry workers is you 2270 02:28:45,780 --> 02:28:51,780 build your work ethic. At 1314 15 years old. I started 2271 02:28:51,780 --> 02:28:56,010 working 14. I mean, I pestered my mom and dad about getting the 2272 02:28:56,010 --> 02:29:01,830 work workers permit. Started working at 1415 years old. When 2273 02:29:01,830 --> 02:29:06,060 you get in the habit of work, getting a paycheck, spending 2274 02:29:06,060 --> 02:29:08,970 your money, messing up your money blowing your money, 2275 02:29:08,970 --> 02:29:09,870 realizing you know, 2276 02:29:10,260 --> 02:29:11,850 you learned some things along the way. 2277 02:29:12,540 --> 02:29:17,040 Right. So by the time you get 20, you know, you got it figured 2278 02:29:17,040 --> 02:29:21,540 out. Hopefully you know that I need to spend less money than 2279 02:29:21,540 --> 02:29:24,480 I'll make or I'll end up a slave debt slave nonetheless. But 2280 02:29:25,200 --> 02:29:29,460 nonetheless, what a slave it is. When you have kids on the 2281 02:29:29,460 --> 02:29:35,340 sideline, thanks 16 1718 years old, I've never held a job. 2282 02:29:35,820 --> 02:29:40,080 Because the guy's looking well, I had to pay $8 An hour Well, I 2283 02:29:40,080 --> 02:29:44,010 could pay them $4 hour tour of them. I can only hire one of 2284 02:29:44,010 --> 02:29:48,360 them. And you have all these other. This is the problem with 2285 02:29:48,360 --> 02:29:52,050 minimum wage. And the thing is, is when you let more people in 2286 02:29:52,050 --> 02:29:55,770 the workforce is going to create competition and you know the 2287 02:29:55,770 --> 02:30:00,930 competition is going to drive up the wages that Truly, like, and 2288 02:30:00,930 --> 02:30:05,070 I don't want to sound like, you know, like I kind of economists, 2289 02:30:05,280 --> 02:30:08,490 you know, that kind of thing, but it just makes sense that 2290 02:30:08,490 --> 02:30:13,320 way. But he said, I don't think they did it on purpose, or did 2291 02:30:13,320 --> 02:30:13,770 they? Oh, 2292 02:30:13,770 --> 02:30:18,330 come on, gee, who's big on minimum wage? Bernie Sanders. 2293 02:30:19,080 --> 02:30:22,380 Number one, the minimum wage guy, he knows how it works. You 2294 02:30:22,380 --> 02:30:24,150 got to almost think he's evil. 2295 02:30:24,780 --> 02:30:27,360 Right? And then they bring up the welfare state and part of 2296 02:30:27,360 --> 02:30:30,750 the welfare state was no man in the house. And this is why I 2297 02:30:30,750 --> 02:30:35,280 have to give you and John credit. These next three clips 2298 02:30:35,550 --> 02:30:38,820 were discussed. Oh, no agenda way before there was a mold 2299 02:30:38,820 --> 02:30:42,720 fact. And I got people think you come here, Adam, like, Oh, he's 2300 02:30:42,720 --> 02:30:47,100 getting out? No, you are all around this thing. My you know, 2301 02:30:47,100 --> 02:30:53,130 at the edges like, No man house and, you know, das, and what it 2302 02:30:53,130 --> 02:30:56,640 was. It wasn't I was 2303 02:30:56,640 --> 02:31:01,650 a diamond in the rough. I needed to be lucky. And shaped into the 2304 02:31:01,650 --> 02:31:03,480 Juillet. I'm becoming 2305 02:31:03,840 --> 02:31:06,720 you're willing to do the work. But there was no work available. 2306 02:31:07,830 --> 02:31:11,370 I didn't know what plateau to work on. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. 2307 02:31:11,370 --> 02:31:16,200 I had no context. No one giving me anything in the in the quote 2308 02:31:16,200 --> 02:31:19,380 unquote, mainstream media or anything that that I could look 2309 02:31:19,380 --> 02:31:22,890 at until until you came along? Absolutely. There's just wasn't 2310 02:31:22,890 --> 02:31:23,370 there. 2311 02:31:23,910 --> 02:31:26,940 But you were you were there. Because I mean, if you want to 2312 02:31:26,940 --> 02:31:28,080 get into 27, 2313 02:31:28,950 --> 02:31:36,330 before we moved into fruit, I go, the Welfare Department came 2314 02:31:36,330 --> 02:31:44,220 to our home. They talk with my mother about moving into the 2315 02:31:44,220 --> 02:31:50,340 housing project. But the stipulation was that my father 2316 02:31:50,730 --> 02:31:57,870 could not be with us. They would put us into the housing project, 2317 02:31:58,020 --> 02:32:01,860 only if he left the 2318 02:32:02,160 --> 02:32:06,930 state. Yeah, people really don't know this. This is still such an 2319 02:32:06,960 --> 02:32:10,830 unknown fact. And I was alive when there's a taking place. 2320 02:32:11,400 --> 02:32:13,980 Which you were covering this because like I said, this comes 2321 02:32:13,980 --> 02:32:16,080 from my knowledge. And I know the clips. 2322 02:32:16,080 --> 02:32:19,260 Yeah, I hear you. And we will probably go, we're probably 2323 02:32:19,260 --> 02:32:22,260 going like, wow, how about that? That's weird. What's up with 2324 02:32:22,260 --> 02:32:24,690 that? No one ever talks about this? And of course, I never 2325 02:32:24,690 --> 02:32:26,370 knew the whole background to it. But yeah. 2326 02:32:28,020 --> 02:32:32,820 Now you asked, was it done? Was it done on purpose? Or was it 2327 02:32:32,850 --> 02:32:36,510 No, it just all well, we screwed that one up. And if you did 2328 02:32:36,510 --> 02:32:41,040 screw it up. If it Okay, save you it was a truly a mistake. 2329 02:32:41,730 --> 02:32:47,700 Now, the whole stop. It can't be a mistake. They had they had 2330 02:32:48,270 --> 02:32:52,290 armed guards or overt or, you know, tattletale brown shirts 2331 02:32:52,290 --> 02:32:55,320 running around to make sure that this wasn't taking place no man 2332 02:32:55,320 --> 02:32:58,740 in the house. That's a that's a program. That's not a mistake. 2333 02:32:59,220 --> 02:33:01,560 That's I'm just gonna give him the benefit of the doubt. I 2334 02:33:01,560 --> 02:33:04,860 mean, because that's what I do. If it was a mistake, and this 2335 02:33:04,860 --> 02:33:09,240 was happening in the 1940s 50s 60s. Why haven't we 2336 02:33:09,240 --> 02:33:12,690 fixed that? Why haven't we put the energy to say, hold on? How 2337 02:33:12,690 --> 02:33:16,380 do we get the men back in the house, you know, black families, 2338 02:33:16,380 --> 02:33:18,660 you get a double tax credit, 2339 02:33:20,070 --> 02:33:21,900 or anything, there's a whole bunch of ways to do it. Of 2340 02:33:21,900 --> 02:33:23,640 course, you can stimulate that easily. 2341 02:33:24,570 --> 02:33:29,370 But that's not what they did. What they did was and then when 2342 02:33:29,370 --> 02:33:32,730 DNA showed Okay, let's ramp up the family court. And let's, 2343 02:33:33,000 --> 02:33:35,340 let's have Let's have a fight over that. You know, the man's 2344 02:33:35,340 --> 02:33:35,730 check. 2345 02:33:35,730 --> 02:33:38,100 Yeah, let's do it on theory, Springer, let's make it into a 2346 02:33:38,100 --> 02:33:39,810 circus. Omari, 2347 02:33:39,810 --> 02:33:42,960 you know, talked about that before where it's just nothing 2348 02:33:42,960 --> 02:33:48,780 but a that's really a game show. Yeah. And then it's no sweat off 2349 02:33:48,780 --> 02:33:53,490 the off of the government's brow, because you I think like 2350 02:33:53,490 --> 02:33:56,250 this is if 2351 02:33:57,810 --> 02:34:02,460 he is the father, he has to pay for it. If he doesn't pay for 2352 02:34:02,460 --> 02:34:07,470 it. He goes to jail. If he goes to jail, that's free labor for 2353 02:34:07,470 --> 02:34:10,830 us. And then guess what, his kids are probably going to be 2354 02:34:10,830 --> 02:34:14,970 criminals too. And that's two or three more future workers in our 2355 02:34:15,270 --> 02:34:17,730 industrial complex, industrial prison complex. 2356 02:34:20,370 --> 02:34:25,200 Yeah, when you say it like that sounds pretty sick. Doesn't 2357 02:34:25,410 --> 02:34:27,210 doesn't sound too good, does it? 2358 02:34:28,260 --> 02:34:31,860 Um, to say and they I haven't seen any resolution to say, hey, 2359 02:34:31,860 --> 02:34:36,150 how do we get those? How do we get those man back in the house? 2360 02:34:37,170 --> 02:34:41,760 None of that is more it's more of the same thing. Well, let's 2361 02:34:41,760 --> 02:34:44,970 get more into that. No man in the house prom no agenda. 2362 02:34:45,480 --> 02:34:49,410 The welfare department had a rule that no able bodied man 2363 02:34:49,920 --> 02:34:53,310 could be in the house if a woman received aid for dependent 2364 02:34:53,310 --> 02:34:58,410 children. As a man lost his job. He's looking for work. He still 2365 02:34:58,410 --> 02:35:03,150 had to leave the home. And there was even a night staff of men 2366 02:35:03,180 --> 02:35:06,450 who worked for the welfare department whose job was to go 2367 02:35:06,450 --> 02:35:10,170 to the homes of the welfare recipients. And they searched to 2368 02:35:10,170 --> 02:35:11,490 find if there was a man. And 2369 02:35:13,050 --> 02:35:17,310 isn't that crazy? If people really knew this, which is so 2370 02:35:17,310 --> 02:35:20,370 easy to find me is not that long ago. 2371 02:35:21,210 --> 02:35:25,050 And just to give her historic context of this, I live with my 2372 02:35:25,050 --> 02:35:27,660 grandma told no, I've told the story before but just the short 2373 02:35:27,660 --> 02:35:31,830 version, I live with them, they lived in low income apartment 2374 02:35:32,040 --> 02:35:37,380 with a lot of wear for single mothers. And when the warefare 2375 02:35:37,380 --> 02:35:40,980 people will come this is not the 80s This had to be 8485. Yeah, 2376 02:35:41,400 --> 02:35:45,870 he was the are the man running out? Yeah. So this is not 2377 02:35:45,870 --> 02:35:52,650 19 4050s or 60s, these things are still going on in 1980s. So 2378 02:35:52,650 --> 02:35:57,090 it's not it's not. And we could talk about how all what we 2379 02:35:57,090 --> 02:36:01,350 talked about in previously feeds into this. This is nothing, this 2380 02:36:01,350 --> 02:36:06,060 is nothing new. And it's nothing old, either. I mean, what does 2381 02:36:06,060 --> 02:36:11,910 he mean? What is nothing new? Because it existed for so long. 2382 02:36:12,240 --> 02:36:16,590 And it's nothing Oh, because it existed for so long. If I made 2383 02:36:16,590 --> 02:36:20,310 myself clear. Great, well, it's 2384 02:36:20,310 --> 02:36:25,890 just, it's not exposed. There's no incentive for anyone is 2385 02:36:25,890 --> 02:36:29,160 charged to expose these. I mean, because it's so easy to take 2386 02:36:29,160 --> 02:36:33,960 that up until 1980s. To the entire baby mama culture, 2387 02:36:34,320 --> 02:36:41,340 everything we witnessed now, the end result being 75% of children 2388 02:36:41,340 --> 02:36:44,400 growing up with no father in the house. And that's, of course, 2389 02:36:44,400 --> 02:36:49,020 not just black. Now. It's it's all colors of the rainbow. It's 2390 02:36:49,020 --> 02:36:51,270 created a very destructive culture. 2391 02:36:52,560 --> 02:36:55,170 And to speak of things that we haven't spoke, we spoke on the 2392 02:36:55,170 --> 02:36:57,930 crack epidemic, which that plucked men out of the house. 2393 02:36:58,620 --> 02:37:03,480 And as a tremendously high rate. Before that you had Vietnam, 2394 02:37:04,020 --> 02:37:07,530 which disproportionately impacted black men, pluck them 2395 02:37:07,530 --> 02:37:10,770 out of the household, and then it's them back home. And that 2396 02:37:10,770 --> 02:37:14,970 draft Yeah, with drafts, which send them back home with alcohol 2397 02:37:15,000 --> 02:37:19,920 or alcoholism or terror, or heroin. Yeah. Or dealing with 2398 02:37:19,920 --> 02:37:27,810 just ill effects a war itself. Yeah. Which, you know, these are 2399 02:37:27,810 --> 02:37:30,780 all things we've disguised. I mean, we have, I can say, we 2400 02:37:30,780 --> 02:37:34,170 haven't even scratched the surface of the surface on the 2401 02:37:34,170 --> 02:37:34,620 bottom. 2402 02:37:35,460 --> 02:37:38,490 So again, I'll remind everybody who's made it up to this point, 2403 02:37:38,970 --> 02:37:42,810 what's being discussed on the street in the media is, well, 2404 02:37:42,840 --> 02:37:45,510 you just hate that person because of the color of his 2405 02:37:45,510 --> 02:37:49,590 skin. And these problems are because you you are bad white 2406 02:37:49,590 --> 02:37:54,480 person, or you're an ungrateful this or that it's really is so 2407 02:37:54,480 --> 02:37:58,800 unrelated to the core issue that it's just a cover up. 2408 02:38:01,140 --> 02:38:04,740 Just the cover up and you end the people who are supposed to 2409 02:38:04,740 --> 02:38:09,030 be voicing it, do it so abrasively that it is a non 2410 02:38:09,030 --> 02:38:13,590 starter, which we always on the show we try to defuse avoid non 2411 02:38:13,590 --> 02:38:17,010 starters, because we want to have a conversation. We want 2412 02:38:17,010 --> 02:38:21,210 people to go to the table. And you know, and work it out. But I 2413 02:38:21,210 --> 02:38:25,530 guess we could wrap up with the final. No agenda, no man clip. 2414 02:38:25,890 --> 02:38:30,480 I remember vividly, my mother telling us if White people come 2415 02:38:30,480 --> 02:38:34,350 to the house and asked us questions, tell them that your 2416 02:38:34,350 --> 02:38:38,250 father is not here. Tell them that your father has never been 2417 02:38:38,250 --> 02:38:41,250 here. You've not seen your father. I trusted him. I knew 2418 02:38:41,250 --> 02:38:45,090 that there was a reason that we had to do this trade. And I 2419 02:38:45,090 --> 02:38:47,850 participated in this charade. I sat there and looked those 2420 02:38:47,850 --> 02:38:53,520 people in the eye and told them with pure earnestness. No, I 2421 02:38:53,520 --> 02:38:56,910 have not seen my father and no, my dad, he does not live here. 2422 02:38:57,600 --> 02:39:00,570 And, but I knew that I was lying. And that made me wonder 2423 02:39:00,570 --> 02:39:04,950 Who are these people and how they have the power to make my 2424 02:39:04,950 --> 02:39:05,610 mother lie. 2425 02:39:12,090 --> 02:39:24,510 We're giving you money. We want to be able to control you. We're 2426 02:39:24,510 --> 02:39:31,770 giving you money. So we have the right to make stipulations as to 2427 02:39:31,770 --> 02:39:37,440 how you use it and what you use it for. Yeah, 2428 02:39:37,890 --> 02:39:40,440 exactly. That's how you do it. 2429 02:39:42,240 --> 02:39:47,310 And I say to people all the time, it starts with this. It's 2430 02:39:47,340 --> 02:39:52,470 starts with those. How do you think UBI is gonna play out? 2431 02:39:52,619 --> 02:40:00,269 It's gonna start with you. Know, we're giving you money. Boy, No, 2432 02:40:00,479 --> 02:40:02,879 we're giving you money, then this is what you're gonna do. 2433 02:40:02,909 --> 02:40:04,349 This is how we control you. 2434 02:40:04,410 --> 02:40:10,290 Yeah. Take the shot, go here, don't go there. Don't move with 2435 02:40:10,290 --> 02:40:10,500 these. 2436 02:40:11,640 --> 02:40:15,060 These times. Well, that's that's always the control. Absolutely. 2437 02:40:15,390 --> 02:40:17,130 You give people money, you got control. 2438 02:40:18,449 --> 02:40:21,479 And that's the importance of our conversation that we have each 2439 02:40:21,479 --> 02:40:27,479 week. And we follow the model laid out to us. But yeah, that 2440 02:40:27,480 --> 02:40:30,930 was laid out by the one and only Malcolm X. Here he is listen 2441 02:40:30,930 --> 02:40:31,650 carefully, 2442 02:40:31,950 --> 02:40:35,220 the white man and the black man have to be able to sit down at 2443 02:40:35,220 --> 02:40:38,280 the same table, the white man has to feel free to speak his 2444 02:40:38,280 --> 02:40:40,920 mind without hurting the feelings of that negro. And the 2445 02:40:40,920 --> 02:40:43,980 so called Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without 2446 02:40:43,980 --> 02:40:46,590 hurting the feelings of the white man, then they can bring 2447 02:40:46,590 --> 02:40:49,230 the issues that are under the rug out on top of the table and 2448 02:40:49,230 --> 02:40:51,750 take an intelligent approach to get the problem solved. That's 2449 02:40:51,750 --> 02:40:53,280 the only way we'll ever do it. 2450 02:40:55,410 --> 02:40:59,250 In that work has started here it started 50 episodes ago and 2451 02:40:59,250 --> 02:41:02,730 hopefully we inspire many more to do that and I do want to take 2452 02:41:02,730 --> 02:41:05,640 the opportunity here to thank the rest of our producers for 2453 02:41:05,640 --> 02:41:10,950 episode number 50 Our big anniversary show and we're just 2454 02:41:10,950 --> 02:41:13,290 for brevity we're going to do you want most of these are one 2455 02:41:13,290 --> 02:41:17,340 liners anyway under under 50 Just we can get through to the 2456 02:41:17,340 --> 02:41:20,370 end of the show keep it within within some length but thank you 2457 02:41:20,370 --> 02:41:27,480 all very much for supporting us and that thanks goes to Computer 2458 02:41:27,480 --> 02:41:33,330 Solutions and Services $49 now says show club donation so that 2459 02:41:33,330 --> 02:41:35,190 probably came in on the last champion 2460 02:41:35,220 --> 02:41:39,210 it came in right at the end of the cut off last show so All 2461 02:41:39,210 --> 02:41:40,110 right, he's a member 2462 02:41:40,140 --> 02:41:43,260 Okay, so definitely becomes a member and thank you very much 2463 02:41:43,260 --> 02:41:50,580 for that wanted to WUSA we'll head to that one. Tony Shin toon 2464 02:41:50,580 --> 02:41:55,380 guru says mod Adam, you guys rock. Thank you with 4750 46 2465 02:41:55,920 --> 02:42:02,340 from Clinton way l way to pass Adam. Well, two way to pass. 2466 02:42:02,820 --> 02:42:06,750 Pass Adam to blunt for pleading blood of Jay Oh my goodness. 2467 02:42:07,050 --> 02:42:10,170 Translated Well, what the hell am I reading here? I have no 2468 02:42:10,170 --> 02:42:11,520 idea what's going on here 2469 02:42:11,550 --> 02:42:14,100 way ale? I don't know. 2470 02:42:14,610 --> 02:42:17,790 It doesn't matter. We like it. We read it for you and thank you 2471 02:42:17,790 --> 02:42:22,530 for your support producing the episode same goes to Juho mommy 2472 02:42:22,530 --> 02:42:26,820 with 4588 Adrian workman says greetings to both of you 2473 02:42:26,820 --> 02:42:31,200 beautiful souls. Most sincerely thank you for dive after dive do 2474 02:42:31,200 --> 02:42:34,590 you take all the listeners into I'm not sure how you can blow my 2475 02:42:34,590 --> 02:42:39,270 mind. So hard. So continuously and so consistently, however you 2476 02:42:39,270 --> 02:42:43,650 do it. And we really he wants some input on how you conjured 2477 02:42:43,650 --> 02:42:46,590 the magic. Well, that's that's a whole nother story and we're 2478 02:42:46,590 --> 02:42:50,700 going to keep this one short. But Adrian Thank you 4233 4033 2479 02:42:50,700 --> 02:42:54,570 From Fernando la de los Reyes. Mo my dad wants to give me a 2480 02:42:54,570 --> 02:42:57,690 40th birthday shout out Happy Birthday Fernando doing the work 2481 02:42:57,690 --> 02:43:00,960 Fernando senior that means always give me a biscuit on my 2482 02:43:00,960 --> 02:43:04,680 birthday. 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I'm working my way back towards all 2496 02:44:00,210 --> 02:44:03,120 the lessons this is really high quality work you're putting out 2497 02:44:03,120 --> 02:44:09,480 that's $19.80 and then comes in with $12.34 with no note and 2498 02:44:09,480 --> 02:44:11,790 what does that total How does does that total something I 2499 02:44:11,790 --> 02:44:19,410 should be aware of? See, I don't know it's all good. Jason camp 2500 02:44:19,770 --> 02:44:22,860 $10 Just start listening to the show loving it so far. Trying to 2501 02:44:22,860 --> 02:44:25,740 get caught up on episodes in between episodes have no agenda. 2502 02:44:25,920 --> 02:44:28,560 You guys are the only glimmer of hope and sanity for those of us 2503 02:44:28,560 --> 02:44:30,960 who refuse to become just another sheep in the flock. Well 2504 02:44:30,960 --> 02:44:34,740 you're not keep up the good works as Jason Thank you $9.41 2505 02:44:34,740 --> 02:44:38,910 From Courtland Richardson shows here again was $7 You can't go 2506 02:44:38,910 --> 02:44:47,850 to no embassy for help. Funny $5 from Matt heads key Steven polar 2507 02:44:47,850 --> 02:44:51,840 Maine sole proprietor I always love that. And Rory White's 2508 02:44:51,840 --> 02:44:55,320 Matthew liberatory of $5 as you're changing the world, one 2509 02:44:55,320 --> 02:44:58,050 listener at a time. Thank you. We appreciate that. And he has 2510 02:44:58,050 --> 02:45:01,380 more Curtis Thomas, who was It's all over the map. Hey, love the 2511 02:45:01,380 --> 02:45:03,810 show totally lost for words. Thank you both for your 2512 02:45:03,810 --> 02:45:07,200 commitment and energy, much love from the Thomas clan. And they 2513 02:45:07,200 --> 02:45:10,050 sent two of those in along with the previous two. So they've 2514 02:45:10,050 --> 02:45:15,090 just been racking up the SAS for us here. And we appreciate that 2515 02:45:15,090 --> 02:45:18,720 for 11 from Terry Keller, and keep the faith says Robert 2516 02:45:18,780 --> 02:45:23,190 Gresik was $2.50. And that concludes all of the donations 2517 02:45:23,190 --> 02:45:26,340 for Moe facts with Adam curry for episode number 50 are big. 2518 02:45:27,180 --> 02:45:29,040 Even though we didn't really promote it up front, everybody 2519 02:45:29,040 --> 02:45:31,740 knew this was going to be a fantastic celebratory episode. 2520 02:45:31,890 --> 02:45:34,290 And I think this is a good one because it's a great on ramp for 2521 02:45:34,290 --> 02:45:37,230 people who are coming in. So when it comes to time, talent 2522 02:45:37,230 --> 02:45:39,900 and treasure, you gotta go out and hit people in the mouth and 2523 02:45:39,930 --> 02:45:42,630 give them this episode if they want to start and then show them 2524 02:45:42,630 --> 02:45:45,360 where they can go back to episode number one to support us 2525 02:45:45,360 --> 02:45:49,590 for episode 51. Anything you got from value for this, please just 2526 02:45:49,590 --> 02:45:54,540 write down a number and go to my gofundme.com to send it off to 2527 02:45:54,540 --> 02:45:59,400 us variety of methods Moe Fu N d m e.com. And thank you all for 2528 02:45:59,400 --> 02:46:02,850 producing episode 50 of Mo facts with Adam curry. 2529 02:46:04,860 --> 02:46:10,440 As you just heard from Thomas Sowell or 1940 to 1960, black 2530 02:46:10,440 --> 02:46:19,170 people were making huge strides in progress. With that said, we 2531 02:46:19,170 --> 02:46:24,390 saw the no man the house, the welfare system come about 2532 02:46:24,390 --> 02:46:29,010 welfare state, excuse me come about. So the media had to get 2533 02:46:29,010 --> 02:46:34,170 in on an act and we discussed for episode 12. And this is the 2534 02:46:34,170 --> 02:46:36,900 media MLK and the civil rights movement one. 2535 02:46:39,810 --> 02:46:44,010 As a story, the Civil Rights Movement had it all. Good versus 2536 02:46:44,640 --> 02:46:49,290 drama, social upheaval. But at first America's major media 2537 02:46:49,320 --> 02:46:51,600 ignored it, especially in the South. 2538 02:46:51,840 --> 02:46:57,090 It was our responsibility to find a way to dramatize the 2539 02:46:57,090 --> 02:46:57,540 issue 2540 02:46:57,930 --> 02:47:00,690 was Congressman John Lewis says that the movements leaders 2541 02:47:00,690 --> 02:47:05,010 realized to bring change, they needed to reach white Americans. 2542 02:47:05,280 --> 02:47:06,270 How did you do that? 2543 02:47:06,449 --> 02:47:12,269 As a movement. We literally put our bodies on the line, 2544 02:47:12,540 --> 02:47:14,970 Jennifer woods on the Civil Rights coverage. 2545 02:47:15,029 --> 02:47:19,139 Hey, klibanoff co wrote the race beat a book about the media and 2546 02:47:19,139 --> 02:47:19,829 the movement. 2547 02:47:19,980 --> 02:47:23,730 Well, race was a big story in the south beginning in the 40s 2548 02:47:23,730 --> 02:47:26,250 and 50s. It's just that no one knew about it. 2549 02:47:26,609 --> 02:47:31,319 Finally, by 1957 Major northern newspapers discover the drama 2550 02:47:31,349 --> 02:47:34,529 and the story. How do you feel about integrated passengers that 2551 02:47:34,529 --> 02:47:38,069 television networks followed, even major southern media paid 2552 02:47:38,069 --> 02:47:40,109 attention to the open hatred, 2553 02:47:40,320 --> 02:47:43,770 you got to kink of white and a black set and the violent 2554 02:47:43,770 --> 02:47:44,370 response 2555 02:47:44,370 --> 02:47:45,660 to peaceful protests? 2556 02:47:46,110 --> 02:47:50,400 If you're gonna beat us, beat us in the light of day, beat us 2557 02:47:50,400 --> 02:47:51,510 where the cameras on 2558 02:47:51,779 --> 02:47:57,149 on gov. This was Selma, Alabama, 1960 Pa. Among the bloodied John 2559 02:47:57,149 --> 02:47:57,749 Lewis, 2560 02:47:58,080 --> 02:48:02,610 American people could not stand it to see young children. And 2561 02:48:02,610 --> 02:48:07,140 all women been knocked down by fire hoses and chased by police 2562 02:48:07,140 --> 02:48:07,590 stole. 2563 02:48:08,130 --> 02:48:12,270 Yeah, it was a golden era man, once we got it on TV. Oh, 2564 02:48:13,080 --> 02:48:16,260 was it you heard me say? So they had a dramatizing? That's right 2565 02:48:16,260 --> 02:48:20,730 now, what was going on behind the scenes? A lot of black 2566 02:48:20,730 --> 02:48:24,420 people dislike now and how they try to paint us as a monolith. A 2567 02:48:24,420 --> 02:48:28,140 lot of black people notice time didn't want integration. They 2568 02:48:28,140 --> 02:48:31,650 want to separate with equal, but let us have our own community. 2569 02:48:31,800 --> 02:48:34,590 Let us have our own schools, you know, give us the proper 2570 02:48:34,590 --> 02:48:37,050 funding, it was more of a governmental issue. It's not 2571 02:48:37,050 --> 02:48:39,450 like I want to live on the same block as you I just want to make 2572 02:48:39,450 --> 02:48:41,340 sure about paying 2573 02:48:41,820 --> 02:48:45,210 services, you get the same services as everybody else, same 2574 02:48:45,210 --> 02:48:45,690 level. 2575 02:48:46,410 --> 02:48:49,500 And it wasn't even commercial. It was more with the government 2576 02:48:49,500 --> 02:48:49,920 service. 2577 02:48:49,920 --> 02:48:54,450 Yes, school health care everything. Yeah, a little 2578 02:48:54,450 --> 02:48:56,760 overboard on the health care with the Planned Parenthood 2579 02:48:56,760 --> 02:48:58,860 stuff. But you know, it came from a good heart Mo. 2580 02:49:02,670 --> 02:49:08,520 But that was the thing is that I honestly believe now, I will say 2581 02:49:08,520 --> 02:49:12,360 a lot of those leaders are probably naive. And thought, oh, 2582 02:49:12,360 --> 02:49:16,440 we have the integration thing. That's a good compromise. But 2583 02:49:16,440 --> 02:49:20,100 when you innocuous I'm not pushing for segregation in 2584 02:49:20,100 --> 02:49:24,690 itself. But I'm not pushing for force integration either. Which 2585 02:49:24,690 --> 02:49:29,550 I think is a very bad idea when you take people and just smash 2586 02:49:29,550 --> 02:49:32,010 them together and like y'all deal with it. I mean, the 2587 02:49:32,010 --> 02:49:34,590 government says, you know, we're gonna put that and the reason 2588 02:49:34,590 --> 02:49:39,000 why I say this is this. I get a lot of personal, you know, 2589 02:49:40,590 --> 02:49:46,200 reflection for me. My dad was moved and his senior year to 2590 02:49:46,200 --> 02:49:51,510 integrate school. about Haiti. He was bused. Well, the top town 2591 02:49:51,510 --> 02:49:52,260 was smart enough that 2592 02:49:52,860 --> 02:49:56,580 there's no bus. Okay, can walk. Walk? Yeah, 2593 02:49:56,700 --> 02:49:59,970 but it was like, No, you can't go to the school. The school 2594 02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:02,580 that you went to for your last elaborate 12 years. So 2595 02:50:02,580 --> 02:50:05,940 in that context, how is important? How important is the 2596 02:50:05,940 --> 02:50:10,530 President's current president's school choice initiative areas 2597 02:50:10,530 --> 02:50:15,030 that hitting home? Is that making a impact? Yes. Because it 2598 02:50:15,030 --> 02:50:17,640 gives you the power, what gives parents the power to choose 2599 02:50:17,640 --> 02:50:19,680 where you spend the money and where you make the school 2600 02:50:19,680 --> 02:50:21,300 better. Right. Right. And 2601 02:50:21,300 --> 02:50:25,770 along with integration came social promotion. Where is my 2602 02:50:25,770 --> 02:50:28,320 dad would tell me if you were 13 years old, on the third grade, 2603 02:50:28,320 --> 02:50:30,030 if you couldn't read on the third grade level, we weren't 2604 02:50:30,030 --> 02:50:32,400 going to where we black teachers, right? Whereas when 2605 02:50:32,400 --> 02:50:35,460 you went over to, you know, integrated school there was 2606 02:50:35,460 --> 02:50:35,730 like, 2607 02:50:35,910 --> 02:50:39,930 Ah, well, we'll help them out a little let them slide. We again, 2608 02:50:39,930 --> 02:50:42,180 if you're doing you're damned if you don't want to be too hard, 2609 02:50:42,180 --> 02:50:45,810 because if you keep family black kids out, you're racist, you 2610 02:50:45,810 --> 02:50:48,450 know? And then if you don't, if you do pass them along, they 2611 02:50:48,450 --> 02:50:49,770 can't recall your racist. 2612 02:50:51,210 --> 02:50:53,580 Can't win. Yeah. So like the 2613 02:50:53,580 --> 02:50:56,070 thing that will bring you the less amount of grief, it's just 2614 02:50:56,070 --> 02:50:58,290 like, pass them on, pass them on, pass them on path 2615 02:50:58,289 --> 02:51:02,549 of least resistance. Yep. Exactly. And it's destructive. 2616 02:51:02,579 --> 02:51:05,519 It's so destructive. And and people don't see it. This has 2617 02:51:05,519 --> 02:51:09,179 been going on so long. No wonder people are having such trouble 2618 02:51:09,179 --> 02:51:12,329 with this. They think they've been doing all these good 2619 02:51:12,329 --> 02:51:16,559 things. And I guarantee you, when Kamala Harris talked about 2620 02:51:16,559 --> 02:51:19,979 busing, you know, whatever. And however she felt about it, and 2621 02:51:19,979 --> 02:51:25,529 what's true, and she was there to, to slam Biden. I think a lot 2622 02:51:25,529 --> 02:51:29,039 of people heard that for the first time. They'd never heard 2623 02:51:29,039 --> 02:51:31,349 of this. They didn't know what it was about didn't get it. And 2624 02:51:31,349 --> 02:51:33,749 then like, really, you were made to do that. Well, that's just 2625 02:51:33,749 --> 02:51:35,189 crazy. And you 2626 02:51:35,190 --> 02:51:38,520 I think they're ancient and go along with the clips here. They 2627 02:51:38,520 --> 02:51:40,860 were indoctrinated with the little black girl with her 2628 02:51:40,860 --> 02:51:44,730 schoolbooks. And you have rank and file of white people go 2629 02:51:44,730 --> 02:51:47,340 home, go home, we don't want you here. You know, that's the 2630 02:51:47,340 --> 02:51:52,710 mental abuse, abuse, abuse and mental imagery that's painted 2631 02:51:52,710 --> 02:51:55,980 with that. And when you want to say, when you say school choice, 2632 02:51:56,190 --> 02:51:58,290 because all we going back to segregated schools, we've 2633 02:51:58,290 --> 02:52:01,830 already been there. I mean, that's basically what people do 2634 02:52:01,830 --> 02:52:05,010 they go in cycles in their kids that they send their kids to 2635 02:52:05,010 --> 02:52:09,570 private schools. Well, I don't want my kids going to school 2636 02:52:09,570 --> 02:52:13,440 with poor kids, not necessarily black kids. I mean, that's what 2637 02:52:13,830 --> 02:52:19,590 Joe Biden said, but you know, I won't go there. Well, yeah, they 2638 02:52:19,590 --> 02:52:22,590 use the media or the media used, they thought they were using the 2639 02:52:22,590 --> 02:52:25,860 media, but actually the media were using them. Yes. To make 2640 02:52:25,890 --> 02:52:32,100 inroads. As we talked about MLK and JFK to have strengthened 2641 02:52:32,100 --> 02:52:33,270 their political base, 2642 02:52:33,600 --> 02:52:38,130 we will dramatize this whole situation by marching by the 2643 02:52:38,130 --> 02:52:39,090 1000s. 2644 02:52:39,420 --> 02:52:42,150 Television also found Martin Luther King strike 2645 02:52:42,150 --> 02:52:45,720 the Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr. will face the nation, 2646 02:52:46,080 --> 02:52:49,410 Americans heard a leader who shattered racial stereotypes. 2647 02:52:49,859 --> 02:52:54,779 We feel that the time has come for a full scale assault on the 2648 02:52:54,779 --> 02:52:56,369 system of segregation. 2649 02:52:56,580 --> 02:53:00,000 This man is someone you could actually talk to, and who seemed 2650 02:53:00,000 --> 02:53:03,090 quite reasonable for white Southerners, this was new 2651 02:53:03,090 --> 02:53:06,540 information. And part of a national Awakening 2652 02:53:06,930 --> 02:53:10,320 was the media to carry our message to the rest of the 2653 02:53:10,320 --> 02:53:10,770 nation. 2654 02:53:10,949 --> 02:53:15,749 Protest became progress once the media woke up, and Americans 2655 02:53:15,809 --> 02:53:22,199 rose up. Mark Strassman, CBS News, Atlanta. 2656 02:53:23,010 --> 02:53:25,380 And I just like to point out that this is the point where 2657 02:53:25,380 --> 02:53:28,770 Malcolm X was no longer in the picture could not get the same 2658 02:53:28,770 --> 02:53:31,380 media attention. It was all MLK 2659 02:53:32,010 --> 02:53:36,180 where he had the people do Yeah, that's the difference. Like 2660 02:53:37,110 --> 02:53:40,200 everybody was like with their weight cane now and you know, 2661 02:53:40,230 --> 02:53:42,180 cost of the product Martin Luther King, I'm not gonna say 2662 02:53:42,180 --> 02:53:45,150 I'm not going to denigrate him anyway. But we also have that 2663 02:53:45,150 --> 02:53:49,440 tat that narrative that was being used that he's used to 2664 02:53:50,250 --> 02:53:54,930 fuel like say he's agreeable, and you know, he all he he's 2665 02:53:54,930 --> 02:53:59,160 chattels. The stereotypes. What are those stereotypes? I think? 2666 02:54:00,300 --> 02:54:04,740 I don't understand what they're trying to say there. What What 2667 02:54:04,740 --> 02:54:07,350 were you thinking beforehand, like, oh, they can't Oh, there's 2668 02:54:07,350 --> 02:54:10,350 one Nick a former Senate. Let's talk to him. 2669 02:54:10,859 --> 02:54:12,419 He's very articulate. 2670 02:54:13,410 --> 02:54:14,790 That's the that's the 2671 02:54:15,119 --> 02:54:18,029 that's, that's no, that's what Joe Biden said about Barack 2672 02:54:18,029 --> 02:54:19,079 Obama. By the way. 2673 02:54:19,289 --> 02:54:22,019 He's clean. He's clean. 2674 02:54:25,020 --> 02:54:28,080 He'd be perfect to President. Gosh, we should elect that guy. 2675 02:54:29,940 --> 02:54:32,760 Yeah, you don't have to say I think the point is made. 2676 02:54:33,450 --> 02:54:39,270 No cuz this, them picking our leaders for us. Oh, yeah. It's 2677 02:54:39,270 --> 02:54:43,140 like now, Patrice callers and the whole Black Lives Matters 2678 02:54:43,140 --> 02:54:49,200 and even taco mix over there. Shaun King. How do you get to 2679 02:54:49,200 --> 02:54:52,680 pick our leaders? I would rather hear from the lady who was doing 2680 02:54:52,680 --> 02:54:56,070 the genealogy work. That's if you want to talk about somebody 2681 02:54:56,070 --> 02:54:58,140 who's actually in the field doing the work let's hear from 2682 02:54:58,140 --> 02:54:58,740 her right 2683 02:54:58,770 --> 02:55:02,280 and this of course, also planes, people who are who were doing 2684 02:55:02,280 --> 02:55:04,830 the work for themselves. And then Adam curry shows up and 2685 02:55:04,830 --> 02:55:08,820 says, Hey, you know, hate us. And, and, and I can understand 2686 02:55:08,820 --> 02:55:11,280 it's a knee jerk reaction like, Oh, what are you trying to lead 2687 02:55:11,280 --> 02:55:14,400 us? Now? I get that I get that not offended, by the way. 2688 02:55:15,540 --> 02:55:18,540 Right. But we also got to judge our allies a little better to 2689 02:55:18,570 --> 02:55:23,100 that. No, no, I'm just in general, because there's some 2690 02:55:23,100 --> 02:55:26,490 great opportunities out there that you might run off by, you 2691 02:55:26,490 --> 02:55:29,070 know, just judging to my so quickly, well, 2692 02:55:29,070 --> 02:55:31,740 I'm then I'm gonna, I'm gonna be honest with you, which I always 2693 02:55:31,740 --> 02:55:36,870 am. But I feel privileged. I feel privileged because I can go 2694 02:55:36,870 --> 02:55:41,490 out and speak my mind. Because for good or worse the society 2695 02:55:41,490 --> 02:55:45,930 and we're in, I can always say, oh, but look, here's my friend 2696 02:55:45,930 --> 02:55:49,170 over here. This is who I'm who I'm learning it from. So I have 2697 02:55:49,170 --> 02:55:53,100 like a shield, which is not entirely fair. But I do have it 2698 02:55:53,100 --> 02:55:57,090 and I use that subconsciously, or consciously. I feel good. I 2699 02:55:57,090 --> 02:56:00,330 know, you won't hear me say, Well, my black friend Mo, I 2700 02:56:00,330 --> 02:56:02,880 don't say that. But it's I've been learning a lot with my 2701 02:56:02,880 --> 02:56:04,530 friend Mo. And so 2702 02:56:04,560 --> 02:56:08,040 it's more than me. It's the information. Yeah, well, of 2703 02:56:08,040 --> 02:56:10,740 course, you can you can knock down those narratives. It's 2704 02:56:10,740 --> 02:56:14,790 like, Oh, yeah. What about this is like, no, no, no, no, you 2705 02:56:14,790 --> 02:56:15,510 slice them up. 2706 02:56:16,290 --> 02:56:19,830 I bet that's not gonna fly. So I guess what I'm saying is, I want 2707 02:56:19,830 --> 02:56:23,850 everyone who's listening to this, to use that to use more 2708 02:56:23,850 --> 02:56:28,560 facts. More facts with Adam curry as that shield that you 2709 02:56:28,560 --> 02:56:32,340 can point people toward and say, well, here's where I've learned 2710 02:56:32,340 --> 02:56:34,800 it, and who's here's who I'm learning it from. And here's the 2711 02:56:34,800 --> 02:56:37,650 information that's being presented. And please counter 2712 02:56:37,650 --> 02:56:41,430 that. So people can feel a bit better about themselves, about 2713 02:56:41,430 --> 02:56:43,500 speaking the truth and being honest. 2714 02:56:44,190 --> 02:56:49,650 Yeah, they like to say the truth will set you free. Well, 2715 02:56:49,680 --> 02:56:52,740 countering the narrative of the MLK in the civil rights 2716 02:56:52,740 --> 02:56:57,780 movement, our guy, Malcolm X, he was all about the ballot 2717 02:56:57,780 --> 02:57:00,450 footballer and black nationalist. 2718 02:57:03,450 --> 02:57:07,800 The political philosophy of black nationalism only means 2719 02:57:07,800 --> 02:57:10,860 that the black man should control the politics and the 2720 02:57:10,860 --> 02:57:17,220 politicians in his own community. The time when white 2721 02:57:17,220 --> 02:57:21,240 people can come in our community, and get us to vote 2722 02:57:21,240 --> 02:57:24,270 for them, so that they can be our political leaders and tell 2723 02:57:24,270 --> 02:57:27,510 us what to do and what not to do is long gone. 2724 02:57:34,470 --> 02:57:38,250 By the same token, the time when that same white man's knowing 2725 02:57:38,250 --> 02:57:42,150 that your eyes are too far open, consider another Negro into the 2726 02:57:42,150 --> 02:57:43,950 community. You invade. 2727 02:57:54,180 --> 02:57:59,130 They were long gone until they came back. Saturday, and this is 2728 02:57:59,130 --> 02:57:59,700 what year? 2729 02:58:01,110 --> 02:58:09,060 This is 1963 363. Yeah, and the thing is, is common sit, every 2730 02:58:09,060 --> 02:58:11,400 other group does this, you know, when you go talk today, you 2731 02:58:11,400 --> 02:58:14,490 know, that's how humans are, you know, Hispanics, they don't, you 2732 02:58:14,490 --> 02:58:20,400 know, people either like them, or align to their, their 2733 02:58:20,400 --> 02:58:26,940 political ideology with us is here. Now you acquiesce to what 2734 02:58:26,970 --> 02:58:30,510 he's telling you, or she's telling you. That's not how 2735 02:58:30,510 --> 02:58:34,290 politics work. And the reason why I'm just the posted MLK, 2736 02:58:34,320 --> 02:58:38,280 Malcolm X is not to cause any fissure between the two, because 2737 02:58:38,400 --> 02:58:41,250 both of them, we actually get into the know the man made. 2738 02:58:41,250 --> 02:58:50,370 Great point is that we need we are at the point now, a lot of 2739 02:58:50,370 --> 02:58:53,190 black people like we want to pick for ourselves, and we want 2740 02:58:53,190 --> 02:58:56,040 to hear what you have to offer. And if you don't have anything 2741 02:58:56,040 --> 02:59:01,290 to offer, or anything that's going to sustain me. You have no 2742 02:59:01,320 --> 02:59:07,680 you have no inroads to my vote. And they were here. Know what, 2743 02:59:09,570 --> 02:59:15,630 60 years ago? Let me 5060 years ago. Yeah. And it was what do 2744 02:59:15,630 --> 02:59:20,190 they do? They gave us black politicians. That was that was 2745 02:59:20,190 --> 02:59:22,890 that was the new black preacher was the black politician. Here 2746 02:59:22,890 --> 02:59:25,650 you go. Here's a guy that looks like you. But when they go into 2747 02:59:25,650 --> 02:59:29,460 Black Caucus, they vote all the things that don't help, or they 2748 02:59:29,520 --> 02:59:32,700 even brought John Lewis in the guy who was on TV. 2749 02:59:36,780 --> 02:59:39,540 And once he got in there a moisture become part of the 2750 02:59:39,540 --> 02:59:42,840 system. Yeah, that's where it goes. It makes you it's just 2751 02:59:42,840 --> 02:59:46,470 like what we're talking about once you need your own land, and 2752 02:59:47,070 --> 02:59:50,850 that I know we're talking about our culture. But the same thing 2753 02:59:50,850 --> 02:59:57,090 here. You need your own land. You need your own area, your own 2754 02:59:57,090 --> 03:00:00,240 space. Let's use that word. They love to use that word. Need your 2755 03:00:00,240 --> 03:00:04,050 own space? That way we can have a communication within ourselves 2756 03:00:04,050 --> 03:00:08,880 and say, What? What do we really need? All right? We're 75% 2757 03:00:08,880 --> 03:00:12,840 illegitimate on illegitimacy. Right? We need more fathers. 2758 03:00:12,870 --> 03:00:17,010 Yeah. What else do we need, we need skills. Because we don't 2759 03:00:17,010 --> 03:00:20,610 have anybody to build things for us. But I don't want to be able 2760 03:00:20,610 --> 03:00:23,490 to point out, I'm just saying that we can go over somebody's 2761 03:00:23,490 --> 03:00:27,240 ballot a bullet clips, but maybe let's just jump straight to 2762 03:00:27,240 --> 03:00:30,270 five. Because I mean, he kind of you know, regurgitates the point 2763 03:00:30,270 --> 03:00:33,870 over and over again, but for brevity of the show, let's just 2764 03:00:33,870 --> 03:00:36,240 jump straight to 520 2 million 2765 03:00:36,240 --> 03:00:41,400 black victims of Americanism are waking up and gaining a new 2766 03:00:41,580 --> 03:00:45,450 political consciousness, becoming politically mature. And 2767 03:00:45,450 --> 03:00:48,900 as they become developed this political maturity, they're able 2768 03:00:48,900 --> 03:00:53,670 to see the recent trends in these political elections, they 2769 03:00:53,670 --> 03:00:56,250 see that the whites are so evenly divided that every time 2770 03:00:56,250 --> 03:00:59,580 they vote, the race is so close, they have to go back and count 2771 03:00:59,580 --> 03:01:04,860 the votes all over again. Which means that any block, any 2772 03:01:04,860 --> 03:01:07,890 minority that has a block of votes that stick together, is in 2773 03:01:07,890 --> 03:01:13,440 a strategic position. Either way you go. You're in a position to 2774 03:01:13,440 --> 03:01:21,780 determine who goes to the White House, and you're the one who 2775 03:01:21,780 --> 03:01:22,200 has that. 2776 03:01:24,090 --> 03:01:28,500 So so good to hear that it's so good to hear that man, it really 2777 03:01:28,500 --> 03:01:30,300 is. Really, it's 2778 03:01:30,300 --> 03:01:33,420 like he was looking, he was in a time machine and coming to this 2779 03:01:33,420 --> 03:01:37,590 very, very moment he was from the future. And this is a points 2780 03:01:37,590 --> 03:01:42,420 that we laid out in the most recent shows. Black men hold 2781 03:01:42,420 --> 03:01:47,550 this election in our hand, and it doesn't take us to go vote 2782 03:01:47,550 --> 03:01:50,610 for Donald Trump or you know, it just all it takes is not to 2783 03:01:50,610 --> 03:01:55,080 vote. That's what scared I'm telling. That's what scared for 2784 03:01:55,080 --> 03:01:58,050 the Democrats, but they have the activators. 2785 03:01:58,080 --> 03:02:01,950 And I want to say that we've talked about this on a previous 2786 03:02:01,950 --> 03:02:04,650 episode, and someone got really mad and said, I can't believe 2787 03:02:04,650 --> 03:02:06,870 that you just went along with most saying I'm not going to 2788 03:02:06,870 --> 03:02:10,890 vote. It's unAmerican. And I say that's there's nothing in the 2789 03:02:10,890 --> 03:02:15,150 Constitution that says you have to exercise your vote by casting 2790 03:02:15,150 --> 03:02:19,650 it for a certain person. It is the power that that one vote 2791 03:02:19,650 --> 03:02:22,830 holds that you can use, as far as I'm concerned, anyway, you 2792 03:02:22,830 --> 03:02:27,540 want to use it? And if you want to take a bribe for fine, it's 2793 03:02:27,540 --> 03:02:31,080 your vote. I mean that, you know, if you're Yeah, let you 2794 03:02:31,080 --> 03:02:34,260 know, doesn't matter. But if you want to withhold it, it's just 2795 03:02:34,260 --> 03:02:35,490 as powerful a message 2796 03:02:35,520 --> 03:02:39,750 just Can I explain that for a minute? Because I get I get it, 2797 03:02:39,780 --> 03:02:45,420 you got it once I get it. I got it, baby. 1015 times, let me 2798 03:02:45,420 --> 03:02:48,660 explain to you when I say not to vote, if you want to vote your 2799 03:02:48,660 --> 03:02:53,520 local elections for your school board or, you know, those kind 2800 03:02:53,520 --> 03:02:56,010 of, you know, votes or a proposition that you want to 2801 03:02:56,010 --> 03:03:00,900 vote yea or nay for that's fine. What I'm saying is into in the 2802 03:03:00,930 --> 03:03:05,220 presidential election, and even national elections in general, 2803 03:03:05,250 --> 03:03:08,760 let's just say that. The reason why people said why don't you 2804 03:03:08,760 --> 03:03:14,490 vote with our party I want you to write yourself in. It's the 2805 03:03:14,490 --> 03:03:20,400 symbolism of one number. Voter turnout, if we can drop that 2806 03:03:20,400 --> 03:03:25,920 number down so low. That's the message. We started to show up 2807 03:03:25,950 --> 03:03:29,730 on episode number one on that point, they realized, Oh, I 2808 03:03:29,730 --> 03:03:32,610 think it went under like 56, I believe or something like that. 2809 03:03:32,610 --> 03:03:33,810 It was some? It was 2810 03:03:34,710 --> 03:03:37,500 six? Yeah. 66? I think. 2811 03:03:37,619 --> 03:03:44,399 So if he comes in at 4945. What that tells both political 2812 03:03:44,399 --> 03:03:45,509 parties are they're in play 2813 03:03:45,600 --> 03:03:48,720 here. Here's the pitfall No, here's the pitfall, the way the 2814 03:03:48,720 --> 03:03:53,310 media is today. They will spin this and make it something that 2815 03:03:53,310 --> 03:03:58,740 it's not. That's it'd be voter suppression. Exactly. The black 2816 03:03:58,740 --> 03:04:02,070 man was not allowed to vote because the evil Republican 2817 03:04:02,070 --> 03:04:05,310 Party and the white men and could be any party suppressed it 2818 03:04:05,310 --> 03:04:07,590 with that because he didn't have an ID or whatever the hell 2819 03:04:07,590 --> 03:04:10,020 they're gonna come up with. That's exactly right. 2820 03:04:10,470 --> 03:04:13,410 But let us speak for ourselves when they come to make that 2821 03:04:13,410 --> 03:04:17,280 claim that we will let them know No, we know what we're doing. 2822 03:04:17,640 --> 03:04:20,460 You didn't give us a viable option, you know, saying on the 2823 03:04:20,460 --> 03:04:25,740 table, we chose not to participate. It's it's far more 2824 03:04:25,740 --> 03:04:31,050 power. Because if you go and vote third party, it masks the 2825 03:04:31,230 --> 03:04:34,950 disapproval or the disappointment we have in the 2826 03:04:34,950 --> 03:04:38,040 current option. Right? That's what we're trying to signify 2827 03:04:38,040 --> 03:04:41,040 here and I'm gonna it's not about being lazy or, you know, I 2828 03:04:41,040 --> 03:04:43,860 don't want to go out and I don't want to make a choice. No, it 2829 03:04:43,860 --> 03:04:47,850 consciously I'm speaking for myself here consciously. And I 2830 03:04:47,850 --> 03:04:50,910 hope other black men are thinking the same way I am. Or 2831 03:04:50,910 --> 03:04:54,270 at least what Hear me out. If we're making a conscious 2832 03:04:54,270 --> 03:04:58,860 decision to say, Okay, you got this guy over here. He got to 2833 03:04:58,860 --> 03:05:04,410 $500 million pop off 100 billion dollar plan by us not voting is 2834 03:05:04,410 --> 03:05:08,730 going to symbolize that and give us access to that. So be it. I'm 2835 03:05:08,730 --> 03:05:12,000 not doing anything for him. Right. But Democrats, you're not 2836 03:05:12,000 --> 03:05:14,580 going to use me to block him either. Because what have you 2837 03:05:14,580 --> 03:05:17,640 put on the table? It's about politically, it's about being 2838 03:05:17,640 --> 03:05:21,150 politically mature. And what when they come around with it, 2839 03:05:21,180 --> 03:05:24,900 not a narrative, or, you know, we're gonna get blamed already 2840 03:05:24,900 --> 03:05:29,550 to prepare yourself or black man didn't save the Republic, you 2841 03:05:29,550 --> 03:05:33,840 know, it's gonna Doom this to another four years. The orange 2842 03:05:33,840 --> 03:05:34,050 MAN 2843 03:05:34,050 --> 03:05:36,600 bad? Well, we're gonna blame it on Kanye. Obviously, that's 2844 03:05:36,600 --> 03:05:39,810 where it starts blaming Kanye and his voters and his voters, 2845 03:05:39,840 --> 03:05:42,780 of course. And I think Kanye is jumping on that grenade for this 2846 03:05:42,780 --> 03:05:43,770 very purpose. 2847 03:05:44,520 --> 03:05:47,250 That's fine with us. Because when they want to come, you know 2848 03:05:47,250 --> 03:05:50,970 what, if you want to be that ignorant, continue to do what 2849 03:05:50,970 --> 03:05:53,700 you do and see what happened in the next four years. Right. And 2850 03:05:53,700 --> 03:05:56,250 what I'm speaking about is this is not no lifelong commitment. 2851 03:05:56,250 --> 03:06:00,840 This is a four cycle for you. Even two years, I mean, it 2852 03:06:00,840 --> 03:06:03,480 depends on what you're putting on the on the midterm ballots. 2853 03:06:04,110 --> 03:06:09,090 But yeah, where's the tangibles? So yeah, I get a lot of that 2854 03:06:09,090 --> 03:06:11,460 pushback, oh, you're not going to vote, you need to vote. Go 2855 03:06:11,460 --> 03:06:16,110 vote for yourself. No, it's this is a conscious and deliberate 2856 03:06:16,140 --> 03:06:20,580 effort to push that number down as far as we can. So they can 2857 03:06:20,580 --> 03:06:23,820 see this, aren't they? They understand the metrics. They 2858 03:06:23,820 --> 03:06:26,760 understand. And they say, Oh, what, what maklumat say? He 2859 03:06:26,760 --> 03:06:30,900 said, when there's a voting bloc available, and she don't take my 2860 03:06:30,900 --> 03:06:34,260 word for it, I mean, try it out, take it, take it, take it out 2861 03:06:34,260 --> 03:06:36,990 Malcolm X until they'd give us something, then we don't have to 2862 03:06:37,560 --> 03:06:43,140 deal with them. With that said, these male leaders had to go 2863 03:06:43,170 --> 03:06:47,010 yep. A comes the CIA agent. 2864 03:06:47,370 --> 03:06:50,490 GLORIA at the festival, you worked for the independent 2865 03:06:50,550 --> 03:06:51,660 research service. 2866 03:06:53,760 --> 03:06:57,990 Exactly. When did your own association with the CIA start? 2867 03:06:58,020 --> 03:07:02,670 And in what fashion they come to you? Or did you go to them? In 2868 03:07:02,670 --> 03:07:06,900 1958, when I came home from and from India, I discussed with 2869 03:07:07,140 --> 03:07:11,940 student leaders past and present, many of them active 2870 03:07:11,940 --> 03:07:16,800 with the National Student Association, this kind of small 2871 03:07:16,830 --> 03:07:20,160 foundation to encourage Americans to go, they thought it 2872 03:07:20,160 --> 03:07:25,740 was a good idea to I was then told by foundations and 2873 03:07:25,740 --> 03:07:30,600 professors and friends, that if that I should not do this, that 2874 03:07:30,600 --> 03:07:33,420 I would get in trouble with house on American Activities 2875 03:07:33,420 --> 03:07:41,160 Committee, the American Legion, all of those 50 people, and I 2876 03:07:41,160 --> 03:07:44,700 became convinced that it was impossible. It was at that point 2877 03:07:44,700 --> 03:07:48,360 that the student leaders said to me that they have in the past 2878 03:07:48,360 --> 03:07:53,220 received funds for international programs from the CIA, and that 2879 03:07:53,220 --> 03:07:55,590 they felt that this was important and could also be 2880 03:07:55,590 --> 03:07:57,090 partly funded by the CIA. 2881 03:07:57,960 --> 03:08:04,290 Ah, yes, the Gloria Steinem story, Episode 21 of Mo facts, 2882 03:08:04,290 --> 03:08:07,170 if you want to listen to it in context, but yes, here comes the 2883 03:08:07,170 --> 03:08:09,330 feminist group into the mix. 2884 03:08:10,200 --> 03:08:13,140 So I know you're saying Mohandas that plan so what we're going to 2885 03:08:13,140 --> 03:08:16,140 do is we're gonna cut to the chase and go straight to 39 and 2886 03:08:16,140 --> 03:08:19,050 say how Gloria Steinem targeted black women. 2887 03:08:19,170 --> 03:08:23,580 In 1978, Gloria Steinem put a book called Black macho and the 2888 03:08:23,580 --> 03:08:27,390 myth of the super woman on the cover of MS magazine. The book 2889 03:08:27,390 --> 03:08:30,840 was written by a black feminist and activist named Michelle 2890 03:08:30,840 --> 03:08:33,960 Wallace, who came out of nowhere. Wallace was in her 2891 03:08:33,960 --> 03:08:37,500 early 20s At the time, as she was being touted as the leader 2892 03:08:37,530 --> 03:08:41,640 of black feminism. In the book Wallace called abolitionist like 2893 03:08:41,640 --> 03:08:46,020 Harriet Tubman and Sojourner Truth, ugly and stupid for 2894 03:08:46,020 --> 03:08:49,950 supporting Black men. She called Black revolutionaries chauvinist 2895 03:08:49,950 --> 03:08:54,450 macho pigs and advises black women to go it alone. Gloria 2896 03:08:54,450 --> 03:08:57,420 Steinem said that Wallace his book would define the future of 2897 03:08:57,420 --> 03:09:00,300 black relationships, and she pushed hard to make sure the 2898 03:09:00,300 --> 03:09:03,780 book received massive publicity. Gloria Steinem's work triggered 2899 03:09:03,780 --> 03:09:07,800 a flood of hate black men books and films that continues to this 2900 03:09:07,800 --> 03:09:11,670 day. Needless to say, some are quite suspicious of MS magazine 2901 03:09:11,670 --> 03:09:14,640 and Gloria Steinem. Why was Steinem sticking her nose into 2902 03:09:14,640 --> 03:09:17,850 the affairs of the black community? So people started 2903 03:09:17,850 --> 03:09:20,550 doing some research and Steinem when it came out that Gloria 2904 03:09:20,550 --> 03:09:23,550 Steinem was probably the ghost writer of the book with Michele 2905 03:09:24,060 --> 03:09:27,180 Wallace, his name on it was had a nervous breakdown and went 2906 03:09:27,180 --> 03:09:29,490 into hiding for two years. And 2907 03:09:29,490 --> 03:09:34,080 I'll take a stab at translating that to today. Not only do we 2908 03:09:34,080 --> 03:09:38,910 not have any male leadership of note in Black Lives Matter ink, 2909 03:09:39,360 --> 03:09:44,550 or the movement for that matter, right now and I have it for my 2910 03:09:44,550 --> 03:09:49,830 clipless for no agenda, or maybe for us in the next episode. The 2911 03:09:49,830 --> 03:09:54,060 message now going out from Democratic Party operatives is 2912 03:09:54,300 --> 03:09:59,400 the most abused person in America is the black woman. 2913 03:10:00,750 --> 03:10:07,230 And the funny you say that? You did I know, I know. You know the 2914 03:10:07,230 --> 03:10:09,930 source of that where they're using for that, and they gotta 2915 03:10:09,930 --> 03:10:17,610 back up that claim. Hit me, Malcolm X. They're taking these 2916 03:10:17,610 --> 03:10:18,030 totally. 2917 03:10:19,020 --> 03:10:21,630 Because no way. Yes, 2918 03:10:21,690 --> 03:10:25,350 I'll find that clip because he's actually said that when he was 2919 03:10:25,350 --> 03:10:27,990 talking about the women in the context of the time he was 2920 03:10:27,990 --> 03:10:32,580 speaking up, right not now because he Yeah, post his death 2921 03:10:32,580 --> 03:10:39,120 and Pope MLK is dead. The agencies and the Liberals cut 2922 03:10:39,120 --> 03:10:45,570 deals with black feminist mean, if you talk to him now Gloria 2923 03:10:45,570 --> 03:10:47,370 Steinem is a hero to them. Oh, yeah. 2924 03:10:48,210 --> 03:10:48,630 Wow. 2925 03:10:48,660 --> 03:10:49,440 Why did they talk? 2926 03:10:50,220 --> 03:10:52,530 I didn't know that. I didn't know that they were using a 2927 03:10:52,530 --> 03:10:56,040 quote from Malcolm X out of context. And by the way, that's 2928 03:10:56,220 --> 03:10:59,130 a real danger Will Robinson we got to make sure that's 2929 03:10:59,130 --> 03:11:02,490 counteracted? Because that's really, really horrible. How 2930 03:11:02,490 --> 03:11:05,670 did that how did you think I knew exactly what the source 2931 03:11:05,670 --> 03:11:08,610 was, I saw that cropping up myself, these narratives. This 2932 03:11:08,610 --> 03:11:12,870 is what we do here. Yeah. We identify the narratives and 2933 03:11:12,870 --> 03:11:16,620 defuse them before they're used. And that's exactly what they're 2934 03:11:16,620 --> 03:11:19,350 doing. They're going to take his quote, twist it. And if you 2935 03:11:19,350 --> 03:11:23,970 spoke to Malcolm X now he will be completely horrified, 2936 03:11:24,270 --> 03:11:27,180 horrified with how Black Lives Matter. And you know, those 2937 03:11:27,180 --> 03:11:33,330 groups are carrying themselves. So yeah, so good job. 2938 03:11:34,830 --> 03:11:39,660 doing the work, Mr. Mole, I feel good. do extra credit. Always 2939 03:11:39,660 --> 03:11:44,130 give me a biscuit. I'm getting the biscuit. Biscuit. 2940 03:11:44,610 --> 03:11:52,080 Yeah. So this final clip. This is a black Vietnam vet. He went 2941 03:11:52,080 --> 03:11:58,530 and he served his country. And I want he speaks the frustration 2942 03:11:58,530 --> 03:12:02,460 that black men have with people that think we want something for 2943 03:12:02,460 --> 03:12:05,970 free. Or we just want something, a handout or something. And I 2944 03:12:05,970 --> 03:12:10,230 thought a good way to wrap this show up because it's kind of the 2945 03:12:10,230 --> 03:12:14,460 sentiment now a black man, like we don't want anything less or 2946 03:12:14,460 --> 03:12:16,050 more than the old old test. 2947 03:12:18,480 --> 03:12:22,470 This revolution is filled with so many ironies really, first, 2948 03:12:22,470 --> 03:12:26,760 you tell us that it is manly to keep your word. Right, if you 2949 03:12:26,760 --> 03:12:31,440 are a man, you keep your word. And now all of the black people 2950 03:12:31,440 --> 03:12:34,200 in this country are demanding, and even the black people in the 2951 03:12:34,200 --> 03:12:38,760 whole world are demanding is that you keep your word. You 2952 03:12:38,760 --> 03:12:43,500 told us we were free? Well then show us that we're free. You 2953 03:12:43,500 --> 03:12:47,130 told us that there is justice, equality for all in this country 2954 03:12:47,130 --> 03:12:51,090 willing to stick to your word. And let us see the justice and 2955 03:12:51,090 --> 03:12:55,410 equality for all. Or else admit to us that you're not a man, 2956 03:12:55,410 --> 03:12:57,810 you're a word, you're afraid of us you're afraid to give us 2957 03:12:57,840 --> 03:13:02,010 equal status. You're afraid that if you give us equal ground that 2958 03:13:02,010 --> 03:13:06,030 we will match you and we will override you. And if that's what 2959 03:13:06,030 --> 03:13:09,240 you're afraid of us, then tell us that just what you're afraid 2960 03:13:09,240 --> 03:13:13,170 of, but don't keep hiding it from us and holding this up to 2961 03:13:13,170 --> 03:13:15,930 us. And every time we ask you for something, you give us a 2962 03:13:15,930 --> 03:13:18,750 little bit of something and it's all tucked in is and we don't 2963 03:13:18,750 --> 03:13:22,200 want tokenism and then most black men in this world don't 2964 03:13:22,200 --> 03:13:25,860 want charity. And yet still every time we ask you for 2965 03:13:25,860 --> 03:13:28,170 something, you give us a little piece a little piece you're 2966 03:13:28,170 --> 03:13:33,150 playing games with us when our children what big man I've seen 2967 03:13:33,150 --> 03:13:37,050 my father have to put it well, all kinds of stuff. He was a big 2968 03:13:37,050 --> 03:13:41,010 man. He raised the family he went down and he had to go to 2969 03:13:41,010 --> 03:13:45,870 the back door with his wife. We're not asking for anything. 2970 03:13:45,870 --> 03:13:49,170 We're not asking for any favors. All we want is what's ours. 2971 03:13:50,220 --> 03:13:54,180 And when I look at YouTube, there are so many black men now 2972 03:13:55,320 --> 03:14:00,210 with this type of language and and this type of vibe and 2973 03:14:00,210 --> 03:14:05,220 mission and you can it's now it may just be the algos spitting 2974 03:14:05,220 --> 03:14:08,370 that out at me. I don't know, but I see it. And I think it's 2975 03:14:08,370 --> 03:14:09,660 good. And I think it's happening. 2976 03:14:10,230 --> 03:14:13,290 It's not just the algos because it's happening in real life 2977 03:14:13,290 --> 03:14:16,620 because you start when you talk to people, you haven't talked 2978 03:14:16,620 --> 03:14:20,010 for a while, they'll tell you we'll fill each other out like 2979 03:14:20,400 --> 03:14:24,270 we think about this, you know, it's we're getting a message 2980 03:14:24,270 --> 03:14:28,080 we're getting on code. We're going to take back our families 2981 03:14:28,800 --> 03:14:33,690 take back our communities, and you know steer thing in the 2982 03:14:33,690 --> 03:14:36,780 right direction and whoever is not on board, I feel sorry for 2983 03:14:36,780 --> 03:14:37,830 him. And number 2984 03:14:37,830 --> 03:14:40,590 one is I like your starting point. Take Back Our families 2985 03:14:40,590 --> 03:14:43,440 first and that flies right back to our donation note about Big 2986 03:14:43,440 --> 03:14:47,640 Brothers and Big Sisters. Is that start with your family. We 2987 03:14:47,640 --> 03:14:52,320 all could do better than that. No matter what. What color 2988 03:14:52,890 --> 03:14:55,410 that's where you start. I mean that's what you win the battle 2989 03:14:55,410 --> 03:14:59,280 it is that that's the table with the dinner table late 2990 03:14:59,280 --> 03:15:05,430 Yes. Exactly that's the big table. Exactly, exactly. Well, I 2991 03:15:05,430 --> 03:15:08,610 hope everyone enjoyed this as much as I did it was so nice to 2992 03:15:09,240 --> 03:15:13,770 even though I've been through the other 49 episodes so far and 2993 03:15:14,100 --> 03:15:17,490 and it's it's a lot it's a lot to take in for anybody with this 2994 03:15:17,490 --> 03:15:22,080 as is such a great refresher and so current for where we are 2995 03:15:22,080 --> 03:15:25,740 today except of course that we need to have the big he'll come 2996 03:15:25,740 --> 03:15:30,930 back special by the president which will which I'm sure will 2997 03:15:30,930 --> 03:15:35,160 cause all kinds of other things to crop up but we'll be here and 2998 03:15:35,460 --> 03:15:37,950 then mo will lead us through it and we'll we'll deconstruct it 2999 03:15:37,950 --> 03:15:39,090 and figure it out together. 3000 03:15:40,470 --> 03:15:44,400 And as I always say pay attention to everything and the 3001 03:15:44,400 --> 03:15:45,690 truth revealed itself 3002 03:15:45,810 --> 03:15:52,710 and remember us at mo facts.com moefoundme.com mo fund 3003 03:15:52,710 --> 03:15:55,890 me.com and Mo thank you so much man I had a great time 3004 03:15:56,490 --> 03:15:57,270 alright see you later 3005 03:15:57,630 --> 03:16:16,440 talk to you next week everybody ups and downs sometimes you will 3006 03:16:16,440 --> 03:16:22,410 want to smile sometimes got to stick right on and stay together 3007 03:16:22,410 --> 03:16:59,190 you know what we have only just begun Ladies and Gents calm 3008 03:17:13,350 --> 03:17:14,970 walking, learn 3009 03:17:29,670 --> 03:17:37,320 can't see get seen we just can't see get to see