1 00:00:02,760 --> 00:00:06,630 mo facts with Adam curry for February 11 2020. This is 2 00:00:06,630 --> 00:00:14,280 episode number 25. Coming up on a six month, month aversary I 3 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:14,970 doing mo 4 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:17,310 I'm doing good Adam, how about yourself? 5 00:00:17,339 --> 00:00:20,639 Yeah, fantastic, man. Next episode will be six months of 6 00:00:20,669 --> 00:00:24,479 consistent no mo facts with Adam curry programming. 7 00:00:25,500 --> 00:00:28,080 Wow, that's a nice milestone. 8 00:00:28,109 --> 00:00:32,459 Yeah, well, well, for us it is certainly. And who knew I had no 9 00:00:32,459 --> 00:00:35,249 idea we went into this and I don't know, it could be a couple 10 00:00:35,249 --> 00:00:38,759 shows. And it looks like we're stuck, stuck together for a 11 00:00:38,759 --> 00:00:39,389 while now. 12 00:00:40,860 --> 00:00:42,660 And I still don't know what this is. But 13 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,760 before we start, I want to ask you a question. I was watching 14 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,540 the the New Hampshire primaries. And for me, it's always 15 00:00:51,540 --> 00:00:55,080 interesting to watch what the what the the so called analysts 16 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,270 are saying because they're all paid by someone to say 17 00:00:57,270 --> 00:01:03,630 something. And I heard Joy Reid, actually say that. Now that 18 00:01:03,630 --> 00:01:08,130 Biden is off the radar, which he is and of course, I think that's 19 00:01:08,130 --> 00:01:10,380 because they only need him for impeachment that dropped him. 20 00:01:10,590 --> 00:01:15,510 She said. And she said African Americans so she meant a Doss. 21 00:01:15,510 --> 00:01:18,480 Although Gee, you'll never hear her use that term unless it's 22 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:23,790 followed by Russian bot. She, she said now Oh, yeah, no, the 23 00:01:23,790 --> 00:01:29,130 black vote. They're all going to go to Bloomberg. And I said 24 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,640 really? So I wanted to ask you if you thought that had any 25 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:39,900 validity isn't that crazy? 26 00:01:43,050 --> 00:01:45,300 Well, that's the that's the narrative that they're pushing. 27 00:01:45,330 --> 00:01:50,910 I saw a poll on MSNBC the other day that Biden and Bloomberg is 28 00:01:50,910 --> 00:01:53,850 neck and neck for the black vote. I saw come on. 29 00:01:53,939 --> 00:01:57,119 I think I was looking because Biden went straight to South 30 00:01:57,119 --> 00:02:01,979 Carolina didn't even hang hang around for his his his battering 31 00:02:01,979 --> 00:02:04,979 in New Hampshire. It looked like he was setting up at a nation of 32 00:02:04,979 --> 00:02:08,699 Islam clubhouse. I swear to God, there was like the I saw the 33 00:02:08,879 --> 00:02:12,569 kind of like the flag on the wall. Like what? Where the hell 34 00:02:12,569 --> 00:02:15,809 is he? He's going straight deep into territory. It's 35 00:02:15,809 --> 00:02:16,709 unbelievable. 36 00:02:17,550 --> 00:02:19,890 Wow. Yeah. Okay. I mean, yeah, 37 00:02:19,890 --> 00:02:22,500 we'll have to see. Anyway, I just wanted to make sure that I 38 00:02:22,500 --> 00:02:26,490 wasn't nuts. I mean, I know joy. Reid has agendas. And she does 39 00:02:26,490 --> 00:02:29,790 not she's like she's speaking on behalf of a dossier and know. 40 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,570 Well, you know, I know exactly. Black women won't do that 41 00:02:33,570 --> 00:02:36,420 African American women just say Who do we vote for? We'll vote 42 00:02:36,420 --> 00:02:39,600 over there. Okay, you might have that wrong. Joy read this time 43 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:40,020 around. 44 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:45,210 Well, no, he Bloomberg is synonymous with stop and frisk. 45 00:02:45,300 --> 00:02:49,290 Right. Exactly. How can you eat that's what I mean. How you even 46 00:02:49,290 --> 00:02:52,470 suggested isn't that like the number one guy that that would 47 00:02:52,470 --> 00:02:55,230 be? despised? 48 00:02:56,250 --> 00:02:58,830 Well, they've been given their talking points. We know 49 00:02:58,830 --> 00:03:02,340 Bloomberg has deep pockets. Yeah. Oh, that's the guy. They 50 00:03:02,340 --> 00:03:05,970 want him to want to be nice. You got what you got to socialist. 51 00:03:06,090 --> 00:03:09,210 Oh, yeah. No, I know exactly why I just wanted to make sure that 52 00:03:09,210 --> 00:03:12,120 I wasn't nuts because she said it was such conviction. I'll 53 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,790 play it on no agenda on on Thursday. We'll talk about it. 54 00:03:14,790 --> 00:03:15,030 But 55 00:03:15,090 --> 00:03:19,350 what? Well, what is a good lead into where we're headed? Well, 56 00:03:19,590 --> 00:03:20,670 well, hold on a second. 57 00:03:21,540 --> 00:03:32,130 All right. Spin the wheel, the wheel of spin and spin the 58 00:03:32,130 --> 00:03:36,720 wheel. Where it stops. Nobody knows. It's the wheel 59 00:03:42,030 --> 00:03:45,300 that's right. We got the wheel of toxic jingle now Ma. Like 60 00:03:45,300 --> 00:03:49,950 we're becoming a real podcast. We have sound imaging. I see 61 00:03:49,950 --> 00:03:52,380 that. So now I have to actually spin 62 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:02,220 and no, what is it going to be? Where does the lucky we'll stop 63 00:04:02,220 --> 00:04:06,360 today. What is our topic for Mofaz with Adam curry 25 64 00:04:07,980 --> 00:04:11,790 Kobe bean Bryant and the fallout of his demise. 65 00:04:12,300 --> 00:04:16,800 Oh man, I'm so glad you're doing this mo because I spent more 66 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,520 than I typically would like really like a minute extra on 67 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,940 this Snoop Gayle King thing and I'm like, let me see what's 68 00:04:23,940 --> 00:04:28,140 going on here. And then and then we get Susan Rice of all people. 69 00:04:28,230 --> 00:04:31,200 So Gary gobbles curry goggle. 70 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:32,640 Sorry. All right. 71 00:04:34,950 --> 00:04:39,270 I put the curry muzzle on true. Okay. Anyway, so I saw that and 72 00:04:39,270 --> 00:04:43,110 I actually thought to myself, is this worth my time to make 73 00:04:43,110 --> 00:04:46,800 decisions about stuff like, is this worth my time? And I have 74 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,580 to honestly say like, No, I just can't do this. You know, we got 75 00:04:50,580 --> 00:04:53,730 flu. We Wuhan flu. We got all kinds of stuff happening the 76 00:04:53,730 --> 00:04:57,690 economics of it. And here we are. You picked it up. And so I 77 00:04:57,690 --> 00:05:00,690 know we're in for a grand ride 78 00:05:01,830 --> 00:05:06,300 so the reason why I chose this topic is I didn't want to do it 79 00:05:06,300 --> 00:05:12,090 at first because I thought it was kind of just overexposed in 80 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,390 yeah it's like a show show busy do a lot of podcasts and we're 81 00:05:15,390 --> 00:05:20,250 chasing the clicks no of course never suit that I never tried to 82 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:25,020 chase the clicks if you notice on on our podcast titles we do 83 00:05:25,020 --> 00:05:26,100 ourselves no favors 84 00:05:28,290 --> 00:05:32,040 the most complicated titles code basically the you have to figure 85 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,050 out to even want to listen to yes you're right. 86 00:05:34,890 --> 00:05:38,130 Right so I never I never covered this we talked about it maybe 87 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,610 two minutes on one of our previous just show it knowledge 88 00:05:41,610 --> 00:05:46,320 you know that he passed away, right? But the aftermath and all 89 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:51,120 the nuances and I'll figure it a lot of people didn't really 90 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:52,710 witness what they were seeing. 91 00:05:52,979 --> 00:05:56,429 Now you are I know you're a football fan you an NBA fan as 92 00:05:56,429 --> 00:05:59,579 well. Yes. Okay. All right. 93 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:05,070 All right. Soccer ball ball ball to sports I'm really into 94 00:06:05,100 --> 00:06:09,300 well so let's just for people who are new I know nothing. I 95 00:06:09,300 --> 00:06:12,120 was able to completely deconstruct the helicopter crash 96 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,660 I'm very good at that. But I know nothing about sports. I you 97 00:06:15,660 --> 00:06:19,080 know, Kobe is just a name to me. So I have no I have no dog in 98 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:23,280 the hunt, whatever. But I'm also ignorant so just want to set 99 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:25,860 that up because I may sound stupid from time to time. 100 00:06:26,910 --> 00:06:30,960 No, it's good because you don't come in come into it bias by 101 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,660 being a fan or not. Okay. Yes, absolutely. 102 00:06:33,660 --> 00:06:37,650 I'm completely not on non bias unaffiliated, etcetera. 103 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,910 So I'll bounce things off of you and you tell me if I'm reaching 104 00:06:41,910 --> 00:06:45,540 or if it makes sense. All right, so we got where we got to pick 105 00:06:45,540 --> 00:06:48,330 up is the actual Kobe Bryant's death 106 00:06:48,450 --> 00:06:51,570 can be Roberts in our NBC Sports studios. But now you've likely 107 00:06:51,570 --> 00:06:55,500 heard the shocking and terrible news NBA superstar Kobe Bryant 108 00:06:55,500 --> 00:06:59,550 41 years of age, was killed in a helicopter crash earlier today 109 00:06:59,550 --> 00:07:03,420 just outside of Los Angeles. total of five people have been 110 00:07:03,420 --> 00:07:07,320 reported to have perished in the accident. Five time NBA champion 111 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:11,190 who is a candidate for the Hall of Fame this year was known to 112 00:07:11,190 --> 00:07:14,790 have used a helicopter to travel for years dating back to when he 113 00:07:14,790 --> 00:07:17,550 played for the Lakers and commuted from Newport Beach to 114 00:07:17,550 --> 00:07:21,870 the Staples Center. This the scene just moments ago in Denver 115 00:07:21,900 --> 00:07:25,080 prior to the nuggets game against the Houston Rockets. 116 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,990 Elsewhere, the sports world understandably convulsed in 117 00:07:27,990 --> 00:07:31,320 immediate shock and sadness Bill Russell, the Hall of Fame center 118 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:37,050 for the Celtics says you were my biggest fan, Kobe, but I was 119 00:07:37,050 --> 00:07:41,010 yours as well. Patrick mahomes with the Kansas City Chiefs on 120 00:07:41,010 --> 00:07:44,280 his way to the Super Bowl, expressing the thoughts of many, 121 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:49,740 our IP Mamba, using the nickname that Kobe Bryant was known by. 122 00:07:51,900 --> 00:07:57,330 And Tom Brady, not much to say. We miss you already. Kobe. 123 00:07:57,630 --> 00:08:00,630 Details are still emerging. The LA County Sheriff's Department 124 00:08:00,780 --> 00:08:03,660 has scheduled a five o'clock Eastern time press conference, 125 00:08:03,690 --> 00:08:07,230 NBC News, we'll bring that to you. Again, terrible news on 126 00:08:07,230 --> 00:08:10,290 this day Brian is survived by his wife, Vanessa, and their 127 00:08:10,290 --> 00:08:12,090 four daughters and thoughts are with them. 128 00:08:12,690 --> 00:08:17,070 Hey, can I give my immediate observation? Sure that we heard 129 00:08:17,070 --> 00:08:18,810 the football guys speaking out. 130 00:08:21,390 --> 00:08:23,160 Yeah, yeah. 131 00:08:24,090 --> 00:08:26,700 I'm just saying mahomes. And Tom Brady is like I would have 132 00:08:26,700 --> 00:08:29,640 expected more basketball player mentions. But okay. 133 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,870 I think the basketball players took it harder. So they were 134 00:08:33,870 --> 00:08:38,640 slower to write Africa. Even in the clip, they said the body 135 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:43,140 count was only five. And he said there were survived. I think I 136 00:08:43,140 --> 00:08:45,660 don't know if it played out or not. But he said he was survived 137 00:08:45,660 --> 00:08:49,110 by four daughters. So this was even before they knew that this 138 00:08:49,110 --> 00:08:52,560 is like, starting at the very beginning. At the very, very 139 00:08:52,560 --> 00:08:59,250 beginning. Got it. Just a little background on my viewpoint of 140 00:08:59,250 --> 00:09:03,660 Kobe, where it's almost the same age, he was 41 I turned 40 This 141 00:09:03,660 --> 00:09:10,680 year, kind of like grew up together. He he went straight to 142 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:14,220 the NBA from high school. That was kind of rare at the time, 143 00:09:14,430 --> 00:09:17,010 but it was seen as seen as quite an achievement. No. 144 00:09:17,489 --> 00:09:20,279 Yeah. Oh, man. It was I mean, he was a phenomenon. He was like, 145 00:09:20,279 --> 00:09:26,849 maybe the way I put it is he was the first iteration of Lebron 146 00:09:26,849 --> 00:09:34,379 James. Okay, got it. of NBA ready. You know, superstar. I 147 00:09:34,379 --> 00:09:37,709 mean, he David brandy. He took her to the prom. I mean, this 148 00:09:37,709 --> 00:09:42,269 guy was like, willing, he just for my just for me being at high 149 00:09:42,269 --> 00:09:45,059 school was like, you know, you just gravitate towards the guy. 150 00:09:45,089 --> 00:09:49,139 I mean, he had a great well, his image was great because he had a 151 00:09:49,139 --> 00:09:54,179 you know, clean cut image and he was kind of like, juxtaposed to 152 00:09:54,209 --> 00:09:57,329 Allen Iverson, who was the bad boy of the NBA at the time. 153 00:09:58,860 --> 00:10:02,400 Okay, I got you So there's your, your wrestling element. 154 00:10:03,420 --> 00:10:08,610 Right? So that's where we are. So now, we're at the point Kobe 155 00:10:08,610 --> 00:10:13,080 has just died. And it was like a kick in the stomach for a lot of 156 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:17,100 people, even myself. I mean, I'm not a crier and nothing like 157 00:10:17,100 --> 00:10:20,550 that. And I'm not as what they call a quote unquote, fanboy. 158 00:10:20,820 --> 00:10:24,930 But I was like, dang, somebody my age that you know, you grew 159 00:10:24,930 --> 00:10:28,380 up watching is dead. I mean, that makes you kind of 160 00:10:28,680 --> 00:10:31,350 makes you stop. Sure. Don't worry, you get used to it, you 161 00:10:31,350 --> 00:10:32,280 get used to it. Well, 162 00:10:33,900 --> 00:10:37,170 that's the problem, like, this age, like, wow, like, Whoa, my 163 00:10:37,170 --> 00:10:40,740 brother called me. I was like, Okay, so why did like everybody 164 00:10:40,740 --> 00:10:43,740 else, like cut on all the news that we could get? I'm looking 165 00:10:43,740 --> 00:10:46,950 through social media. I'm just trying to see if it's real. If 166 00:10:46,950 --> 00:10:49,830 he's gonna come back. No, it wasn't that that was the case. 167 00:10:50,310 --> 00:10:55,800 And I start watching the timeline. And right off the bat. 168 00:10:58,110 --> 00:11:03,660 There was a slip of a word by Miss Allison Moore's 169 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:08,040 bath like the kind of straw that was perfectly cast on the Los 170 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,310 Angeles Lakers. Los Angeles Lakers. Kavita, if I asked you 171 00:11:11,310 --> 00:11:13,950 to stay with us, we're going to ask like the kind of store that 172 00:11:13,950 --> 00:11:18,840 was perfectly cast on the Los Angeles Lakers. Los Angeles 173 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:20,640 Lakers. Kavita, if I could ask you to stay with us. 174 00:11:21,780 --> 00:11:25,290 Yeah, the whole world saw this. I think that was quite the 175 00:11:25,290 --> 00:11:26,040 retweet. 176 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:31,860 So this was maybe an hour or hours, couple of hours, right 177 00:11:31,860 --> 00:11:35,070 after the news had been announced. And like that just 178 00:11:35,070 --> 00:11:41,760 sit from my timeline from my black timeline. Like what does 179 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:47,340 she say? Now? There is some conversation. Does she say the N 180 00:11:47,340 --> 00:11:50,520 word? Are you hearing the N word? I've got things like one 181 00:11:50,550 --> 00:11:54,510 that dress thing with the Is it blue and gold? Or is it you 182 00:11:54,510 --> 00:11:56,250 know, you know, it's trying to strike drill? You 183 00:11:56,250 --> 00:11:59,070 know what her experience was? Was? Yeah, she's 184 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:00,360 trying to Yeah, go ahead. 185 00:12:00,390 --> 00:12:04,800 She's what I what I heard. She said, Yes, she was mixed up 186 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,170 between the Lakers and the Knicks. Of course, Kobe is never 187 00:12:07,260 --> 00:12:10,470 played for the Knicks. He's played against the Knicks. And 188 00:12:10,470 --> 00:12:14,580 that that's why it came out Nixon. To me, it did sound a 189 00:12:14,580 --> 00:12:20,340 little more K ish than G ish. And no matter. I mean, everybody 190 00:12:20,340 --> 00:12:23,880 heard what it sounded like, there's no disagreement about 191 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:28,110 that zero. We all know what it sounded like. And it was just a 192 00:12:28,110 --> 00:12:29,340 fucked up moment. 193 00:12:30,180 --> 00:12:33,120 Now this, this is the debate this and that's why I brought 194 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,820 the dress thing where some people saw it, but blue and 195 00:12:35,820 --> 00:12:40,140 black and, you know, the it's the viral image I'm talking 196 00:12:40,140 --> 00:12:43,560 about where half the people were divided on what color was the 197 00:12:43,560 --> 00:12:49,380 dress? Okay, so this is a case of what dimension you're in. And 198 00:12:49,380 --> 00:12:53,730 what did you hear? Now, I did my due diligence, and I went and 199 00:12:53,730 --> 00:12:56,340 found slowed down audio. 200 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:05,550 That's usually my job. Nice. Alright. though. I think this is 201 00:13:05,550 --> 00:13:09,480 an Eddie Murphy bit where that the N word is really drawn out 202 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,940 really slowly. Okay. 203 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,210 All right. So let's just hear from the people. 204 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:22,050 Here, deep fake research. All right, here we go. 205 00:13:24,090 --> 00:13:27,090 It seems like he was just the kind of athlete the kind of star 206 00:13:27,090 --> 00:13:31,560 that was perfectly cast on the Los Angeles Lakers Los Angeles 207 00:13:31,560 --> 00:13:33,660 Lakers. Kavita, if I could ask you to stay with us. We're gonna 208 00:13:33,660 --> 00:13:37,140 go nickers nickers nickers nickers Los Angeles Lakers. Los 209 00:13:37,140 --> 00:13:39,240 Angeles Lakers. Los Angeles Lakers. Los Angeles Lakers 210 00:13:39,270 --> 00:13:41,820 sneakers. Los Angeles Lakers sneakers. Los Angeles Lakers. 211 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:46,170 Lakers. Los Angeles Lakers. Lakers. Lakers. Los Angeles 212 00:13:46,170 --> 00:13:49,680 Lakers. Los Angeles Lakers. Yeah, it seems like he was just 213 00:13:49,680 --> 00:13:53,850 the kind of athlete the kind of star that was perfectly cast on 214 00:13:53,850 --> 00:13:56,550 the Los Angeles Lakers Los Angeles Lakers. Kavita, if I 215 00:13:56,550 --> 00:13:59,490 could ask you to stay with us. We're gonna go nickers nickers 216 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,130 nickers nickers Los Angeles Lakers. Los Angeles Lakers. Los 217 00:14:02,130 --> 00:14:04,500 Angeles Lakers. Los Angeles Lakers sneakers Los Angeles 218 00:14:04,500 --> 00:14:07,080 Lakers sneakers Los Angeles Lakers sneakers Los Angeles 219 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:11,820 Lakers. Lakers. Lakers. Los Angeles Lakers. Los Angeles 220 00:14:11,820 --> 00:14:12,390 Lakers. 221 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:17,880 Well, okay, I certainly yes, you couldn't you can certainly hear 222 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,180 it as a full on and word that way that I heard it here. 223 00:14:21,180 --> 00:14:21,810 Certainly. 224 00:14:22,500 --> 00:14:27,090 I'm on that side of the fence. Now. What she meant to say I'm 225 00:14:27,090 --> 00:14:30,750 not I'm not giving her side of her brain. But what was her is 226 00:14:30,750 --> 00:14:34,710 the most important thing and people were shooting to cancel 227 00:14:34,710 --> 00:14:41,880 her immediately so that they sign a petition, not think MSNBC 228 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:46,590 let her gorse or suspended her. Find out? Yes, I couldn't find 229 00:14:46,590 --> 00:14:50,430 out. She's in hiding right like journalists. Right now. Like, 230 00:14:50,970 --> 00:14:54,570 you know what you're in that in between zone. Well, we don't 231 00:14:54,570 --> 00:14:57,240 really want to fight you fire you but you're in progress. 232 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:04,920 You're in Purgatory. Yeah. Yeah. So now do you think so? I guess 233 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:10,950 if, if that word comes out like that, and and of course, it is 234 00:15:10,950 --> 00:15:14,040 kind of interesting to think. Was she being scripted because 235 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:19,110 everything on these shows is scripted everything. So it would 236 00:15:19,110 --> 00:15:22,230 be very rare if there was a breaking news moment which I 237 00:15:22,290 --> 00:15:26,670 went to kind of sounds like but the breaking news was hers to ad 238 00:15:26,670 --> 00:15:31,500 lib. That's not that may happen but it's not that typical, 239 00:15:31,830 --> 00:15:36,690 although this case was such a shock. So there's I want to say 240 00:15:36,690 --> 00:15:40,200 that there could be some prompt or weirdness going on 241 00:15:42,510 --> 00:15:43,620 by the banker man 242 00:15:46,350 --> 00:15:50,790 yeah, oh, dude, I most of my professional life I worked with 243 00:15:50,790 --> 00:15:54,330 teleprompters now I, I have to say I'm very good at reading and 244 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,210 reading and reading and around what's on the what's on the 245 00:15:57,210 --> 00:16:00,210 copy. But if something weird is there, you know what something 246 00:16:00,210 --> 00:16:03,660 stumbled? I don't know. That word is not something that flips 247 00:16:03,660 --> 00:16:08,700 flips out of my mouth at all ever. So it's something close 248 00:16:08,730 --> 00:16:11,610 that something that she must have said some time or I don't 249 00:16:11,610 --> 00:16:15,360 know, I don't want to accuse her. But I I can certainly put 250 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:19,380 myself in, in both dimensions and I but I hear it too. I hear 251 00:16:19,380 --> 00:16:19,560 it. 252 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:24,090 Okay, so what I'm doing here is setting the tone. So we have 253 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:28,920 thank you so much celebrity you pass away. And a couple of hours 254 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:34,170 later. You hear this and like the timeline is like goes into a 255 00:16:34,170 --> 00:16:43,920 blaze right. So next, we have Miss Felicia son Sonmez. She 256 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:45,840 goes to tweeting about Kobe Bryant. 257 00:16:46,110 --> 00:16:48,690 The Washington Post has suspended one of its reporters 258 00:16:48,690 --> 00:16:52,380 after tweeting an article length including rape accusations from 259 00:16:52,380 --> 00:16:57,210 the early 2000s About NBA legend Kobe Bryant. Felicia Sonmez is a 260 00:16:57,210 --> 00:17:00,420 political reporter for the post. She has since deleted the tweet 261 00:17:00,420 --> 00:17:04,170 but has reportedly received 1000s of death threats and her 262 00:17:04,170 --> 00:17:08,160 home address has even been doxed online for reaction. Let's bring 263 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,610 in Bill Richards. He's a media critic for The Arizona Republic 264 00:17:11,610 --> 00:17:15,240 joining us from Phoenix a bill has the Washington Post 265 00:17:15,300 --> 00:17:18,030 mishandled the situation. How did this all happen? And then 266 00:17:18,030 --> 00:17:19,140 what was the reaction? 267 00:17:20,010 --> 00:17:24,630 I think they had mishandled it. I'm I think that they've 268 00:17:24,750 --> 00:17:29,370 overreacted. I think that the assault charges against Bryant 269 00:17:29,370 --> 00:17:32,400 were while certainly not the big part of the story, they belong 270 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,150 in any complete story. When you're writing about the 271 00:17:36,150 --> 00:17:40,290 reaction to his death, and to a complete picture of his life, 272 00:17:40,740 --> 00:17:43,590 and it's certainly not what you would lead with, it's not the 273 00:17:43,590 --> 00:17:46,830 most important part of the story as it's breaking, particularly 274 00:17:46,830 --> 00:17:49,200 in the way he died. I mean, he did not die of a lingering 275 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,080 illness or anything. I mean, I think it was because it was so 276 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:56,220 sudden, and because he was so beloved by so many people, that 277 00:17:56,220 --> 00:17:59,880 that's in part why she got that reaction. It wasn't just her. 278 00:17:59,910 --> 00:18:03,600 Anybody who, who wrote about that, or mentioned that God got 279 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:04,110 a similar 280 00:18:04,110 --> 00:18:08,340 reaction. Mm hmm. Yeah, I followed this a little bit too, 281 00:18:08,340 --> 00:18:08,880 of course. 282 00:18:09,810 --> 00:18:14,640 So make a note of that. Well, he just said, you know, whoever 283 00:18:14,670 --> 00:18:17,790 said anything about that case, got this reaction. I mean, she 284 00:18:17,790 --> 00:18:19,230 received death threats, 285 00:18:19,470 --> 00:18:26,310 right. In my mind was doxxed. My view on that is it's the blue 286 00:18:26,310 --> 00:18:28,950 checkmark brigade trying to get some attention. It was 287 00:18:28,950 --> 00:18:31,500 completely unnecessary. She could have done that in two 288 00:18:31,500 --> 00:18:35,070 weeks or whatever. It was all about getting attention. It was 289 00:18:35,100 --> 00:18:37,140 to me disgusting. I don't care who it is. 290 00:18:38,010 --> 00:18:41,520 Yeah, and she looked at him as an easy target because for 291 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:41,850 clicks 292 00:18:41,850 --> 00:18:46,650 for her own clicks. Not even that mo This is purely egotism. 293 00:18:46,710 --> 00:18:49,620 Oh, I'm gonna make sure everybody knows this. Yeah, it's 294 00:18:49,650 --> 00:18:51,480 like canceled culture bullcrap. 295 00:18:52,350 --> 00:18:55,050 True. I'm just saying she looked at him. It's easy. Tarik, like, 296 00:18:55,050 --> 00:18:59,490 yeah, he was he was charged, charged or had an accusation 297 00:18:59,490 --> 00:19:04,950 made against him. So my sisters in feminism will be with me to 298 00:19:05,130 --> 00:19:07,080 you're saying to basically what they call 299 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,660 drag. That's who she was talking to. Sure. 300 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:16,710 Right. Right. So so the WaPo gets criticized for their 301 00:19:16,710 --> 00:19:17,280 actions. 302 00:19:17,700 --> 00:19:19,080 Know the Washington 303 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,500 Post is being criticized for suspending a reporter over a 304 00:19:22,500 --> 00:19:26,250 series of tweets in the wake of Kobe Bryant's death. The Post 305 00:19:26,250 --> 00:19:29,250 said Monday, it had placed Felicia Sonmez on paid 306 00:19:29,250 --> 00:19:33,240 administrative leave after she tweeted a 2016 Daily Beast 307 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:37,290 article about Brian's rape case, hours after the former NBA star 308 00:19:37,290 --> 00:19:41,400 died in a helicopter crash Sonmez. His post generated a lot 309 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,000 of backlash on social media, and she later tweeted she'd received 310 00:19:45,030 --> 00:19:48,540 1000s of abuse and death threats. She also tweeted a 311 00:19:48,540 --> 00:19:51,690 screenshot of her email inbox which displayed some of those 312 00:19:51,690 --> 00:19:55,050 abusive messages and the names of the people who'd sent them. 313 00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:58,470 According to The New York Times, the post executive editor told 314 00:19:58,470 --> 00:20:01,410 her via email her tweets were represented a real lack of 315 00:20:01,410 --> 00:20:05,070 judgment and she was hurting this institution by doing this 316 00:20:05,100 --> 00:20:07,770 shortly afterward, Sonmez deleted the tweets at the 317 00:20:07,770 --> 00:20:11,190 direction of a managing editor. That managing editor said later 318 00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:13,980 in a statement the tweets displayed poor judgment that 319 00:20:13,980 --> 00:20:17,310 undermined the Washington Post work and that the newspaper was 320 00:20:17,310 --> 00:20:20,940 reviewing whether the tweets violated social media policy. 321 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,720 The post newsroom union, the newspaper guild protested Sonne 322 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,930 Meza suspension and a letter Monday urging the newspaper to 323 00:20:27,930 --> 00:20:31,320 take immediate steps to ensure her safety and to issue a 324 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,020 statement condemning abuse of its reporters 325 00:20:36,690 --> 00:20:40,020 I hate this so much it was so she was she was posting 326 00:20:40,020 --> 00:20:42,930 screenshots of death threats in her email. That's what she was 327 00:20:42,930 --> 00:20:43,350 doing. 328 00:20:44,070 --> 00:20:45,300 Yes. Okay. 329 00:20:46,410 --> 00:20:50,430 One of the she violated one of the most important rules of 330 00:20:50,430 --> 00:20:54,810 journalism. Don't make yourself the story and she did that. So I 331 00:20:54,810 --> 00:20:56,490 have no respect for her no matter what. 332 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:06,660 Right. What we have here is you have the nacre gate that stirred 333 00:21:06,660 --> 00:21:10,590 up the black social media crowd question. 334 00:21:12,390 --> 00:21:15,750 Is there anywhere in the parlance maybe amongst the team 335 00:21:15,750 --> 00:21:18,840 or fantasy team? Has anyone ever called them the Los Angeles 336 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,480 Lakers and you know what word I meant obviously, is that like I 337 00:21:21,780 --> 00:21:25,050 said, like a joke or thing that people say no okay ever heard. 338 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:26,280 I'll just check 339 00:21:26,670 --> 00:21:28,680 got there Yeah, no, no, 340 00:21:28,710 --> 00:21:32,250 I'm done. Yeah, I just had to ask that was bugging me All 341 00:21:32,250 --> 00:21:32,580 right. 342 00:21:33,870 --> 00:21:36,720 Another thing we had to realize too I think we've touched on 343 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:41,760 this before is sports in America is a religion yes there is a 344 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:47,190 religion Yes. We you see these guys jerseys being burned when 345 00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:53,340 they leave the team is cut their gods are leaving their team and 346 00:21:53,340 --> 00:22:00,270 so when you come in smear one of their Gods names on the very day 347 00:22:00,270 --> 00:22:03,090 that he died you're gonna get you're gonna get this reaction 348 00:22:03,090 --> 00:22:05,310 Yeah, of course you're gonna get this reaction that I don't think 349 00:22:05,310 --> 00:22:10,290 that was really race base because please, just the the 350 00:22:10,290 --> 00:22:15,420 reason why I say that is is whether race base from the fan 351 00:22:15,420 --> 00:22:19,200 because you have some rabid Kobe fans of all color of course. 352 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,440 Yeah. All nationality. So I don't want to make it seem like 353 00:22:22,470 --> 00:22:26,340 I want to put each one of the things in the buckets. They go, 354 00:22:26,700 --> 00:22:31,260 because it's gonna it's gonna matter later. Okay. Kobe fans 355 00:22:31,260 --> 00:22:36,840 are so he has some of the most rabid fans. When LeBron James 356 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:41,790 decided to come to LA to play, these artists would go paint 357 00:22:41,790 --> 00:22:47,280 murals for Lebron James. And basically they will get tags and 358 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:52,500 know this. This is this would be called beach town. I'm just, I'm 359 00:22:52,500 --> 00:22:54,300 just setting this the same for you. 360 00:22:54,330 --> 00:22:57,150 Yeah. Quiet. This is Kobe Kobe's house here. 361 00:22:57,690 --> 00:22:59,880 Yeah, this is called his house. I mean that that was the 362 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:03,390 sentiment like LeBron will never replace Kobe. So I'm just giving 363 00:23:03,390 --> 00:23:09,930 you a context. But he was loved to LA and the world but in LA, 364 00:23:09,930 --> 00:23:13,890 you know, saying especially. So let's continue on the next 365 00:23:13,890 --> 00:23:14,520 Whopper clip. 366 00:23:14,670 --> 00:23:18,600 But late Tuesday, the post lifted Sonmez suspension in a 367 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,750 statement to newsy. It said after conducting an internal 368 00:23:21,750 --> 00:23:24,840 review, we have determined that while we consider Felicia his 369 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,650 tweets ill timed. She was not in clear and direct violation of 370 00:23:28,650 --> 00:23:33,390 our social media policy. Yeah, all right. 371 00:23:34,410 --> 00:23:39,000 So the guests the guild, I mean, the writers union leaned on the 372 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:39,630 WaPo 373 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,180 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's free speech, man. 374 00:23:43,260 --> 00:23:49,500 And one thing I've noticed is the media. They stick together, 375 00:23:49,530 --> 00:23:54,240 regardless, whenever it's the media versus anybody, oh, the 376 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,200 media is gonna stick together. And no matter how wrong that 377 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,230 person is, they're gonna make justifications for, you know, 378 00:24:01,230 --> 00:24:05,280 his journalistic integrity, integrity, and I had to, you 379 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,310 know, I had they had to ask the tough questions, you know, so 380 00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:09,210 that's what we're 381 00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:13,080 that's where we're headed. Of course, I know exactly. Yeah. 382 00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:16,380 That that is, when do you ask the tough questions is always 383 00:24:17,340 --> 00:24:19,560 the right is important. 384 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:25,470 It timing is everything. So we have Miss Lindsay grant, you're 385 00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:31,110 on Granger from the daily blast. She goes and checks Felicia 386 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:32,760 Sonmez 387 00:24:33,210 --> 00:24:36,330 I'm looking at the journalist Felicia and she is somebody who 388 00:24:36,330 --> 00:24:39,120 has gone through sexual assault herself. And she said that in 389 00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:41,100 the Washington Post, she released an article a couple of 390 00:24:41,100 --> 00:24:44,220 years ago, detailing her experience. So as a journalist, 391 00:24:44,220 --> 00:24:46,380 which is not what we do, we are a talk show with the brave new 392 00:24:46,380 --> 00:24:48,870 world and I was a journalist for 10 years prior to taking this 393 00:24:48,870 --> 00:24:52,320 job. So as a journalist, it's our job to objectively report 394 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,120 the news. I know that that will be tough if you're someone who 395 00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:57,000 survived sexual assault, but when I'm looking at the story, 396 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,670 she didn't give the story any context and she got upset that 397 00:24:59,670 --> 00:25:01,950 she was the being attacked on Twitter for tweeting a link that 398 00:25:01,950 --> 00:25:04,890 basically was condemning Cobis character and accusing him of 399 00:25:04,890 --> 00:25:07,950 rape. But I think her job as a journalist was to put that in 400 00:25:07,950 --> 00:25:10,380 context, you have the responsibility, and you need to 401 00:25:10,380 --> 00:25:13,140 have the journalistic acumen, to write the full story, go to the 402 00:25:13,140 --> 00:25:16,080 Washington Post and say, This man is a nuanced character. This 403 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,570 man has a detailed layered history that we need to discuss. 404 00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:21,270 But don't just tweet that out and be the political reporter 405 00:25:21,270 --> 00:25:23,940 for The Washington Post and tweet that and leave it there. 406 00:25:23,970 --> 00:25:25,860 Because you're leaving yourself open to the attacks that you're 407 00:25:25,860 --> 00:25:28,470 now receiving as to whether or not she should be fired. You 408 00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:30,720 know, I think that she should be put on leave like she was. I 409 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,180 think it's inappropriate, because we're in a time where we 410 00:25:33,180 --> 00:25:35,940 don't know what journalism is anymore. We have our president 411 00:25:35,940 --> 00:25:38,490 that attacks journalists, we have TMZ that broke the news to 412 00:25:38,490 --> 00:25:41,340 Vanessa Bryant that her husband passed away. You know, what are 413 00:25:41,340 --> 00:25:42,270 we doing now? That? 414 00:25:42,660 --> 00:25:46,800 Yeah, this is this is again, it's, this takes a one this is 415 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,400 what the machine is, this is how the machine works. Oh, good. 416 00:25:50,430 --> 00:25:54,240 Made it about us. Let's talk about us. Let's talk about how 417 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,960 the President is mean to us. And it is so hard, we've got these 418 00:25:58,110 --> 00:26:02,100 click fuckers over there from TMZ doing horrible shit. This is 419 00:26:02,130 --> 00:26:02,370 where 420 00:26:05,340 --> 00:26:13,080 Khashoggi used to show all the other stuff he did just 421 00:26:13,260 --> 00:26:17,940 put out, it's only about because that's an n, if anything, it's 422 00:26:17,940 --> 00:26:21,960 my life's work, is that people realize it's better to turn the 423 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:26,160 television off. I will have succeeded. This is this is. 424 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:26,970 Yeah. 425 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:32,730 And I'm here to join you on that mission. Of course, we have to 426 00:26:33,390 --> 00:26:36,420 really understand what the media is and reason why I brought it 427 00:26:36,420 --> 00:26:41,940 brought up. Khashoggi is, no matter what his negatives were. 428 00:26:43,140 --> 00:26:45,840 The fact that he was a member of the quote unquote, member of the 429 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,410 media. Yep. They washed whitewashed all that. Yeah. And 430 00:26:49,410 --> 00:26:52,440 it was like he he wrote, he was a journalist, you know, he has 431 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,170 some nefarious things going on with him. But when the shoes on 432 00:26:55,170 --> 00:26:58,650 the other foot, they don't have that same mentality. It's like, 433 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:03,840 oh, yeah, we drag this guy for clicks and ran in a way to come 434 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:04,080 up. 435 00:27:04,110 --> 00:27:06,810 That's I like that term. Drag him. That's cool. I like that. 436 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:13,560 Yeah. So as Miss Lindsay Granger pointed out on here, TMZ is the 437 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,130 one that broke the news to Kobe's wife that he was dead. 438 00:27:17,340 --> 00:27:23,700 We got a tip that this had happened. And then we were on 439 00:27:23,700 --> 00:27:28,170 the phone with, with various people from Kobes camp for an 440 00:27:28,170 --> 00:27:32,850 hour before we posted the story. So, you know, all I can say is 441 00:27:32,850 --> 00:27:41,640 this, that when somebody of that magnitude dies, so tragically, 442 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:48,600 this becomes a worldwide massive story. And when you look at the 443 00:27:48,660 --> 00:27:51,900 the way these things come down, I mean, when you think about it, 444 00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:57,750 when there's a plane crash, when you think about it, the media 445 00:27:57,930 --> 00:28:01,290 immediately says, you know, flight, so and so going from Los 446 00:28:01,290 --> 00:28:05,820 Angeles to New York, you know, and they're basically telling 447 00:28:05,850 --> 00:28:09,720 300 families knowing that their relatives were on the plane, 448 00:28:09,930 --> 00:28:14,820 because it's a news event. And they're not waiting for, you 449 00:28:14,820 --> 00:28:18,150 know, the sheriff or whoever to come out with all of you know, 450 00:28:18,150 --> 00:28:21,330 the notifications or whatever, because they record it because 451 00:28:21,330 --> 00:28:26,880 it's a news event. This, in our judgment was such a big news 452 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,260 event, that once we got and by the way, we got it confirmed by 453 00:28:31,290 --> 00:28:35,070 Cobis people. That ultimately that's what happened. That's 454 00:28:35,070 --> 00:28:36,750 that's how we ended up posting it. 455 00:28:38,550 --> 00:28:40,920 Good for you, Harvey. You followed all the journalistic 456 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,120 rules. Very good. 457 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:47,280 So you got in touch with Cobis people are his camp. But his 458 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,340 wife was blindsided by our news and you said you talked to him 459 00:28:50,340 --> 00:28:54,840 for an hour. That's disgusting. I mean, like, how can you not 460 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,450 say okay, we need to get in touch with the white first 461 00:28:57,810 --> 00:28:58,740 before you post 462 00:28:58,740 --> 00:29:01,230 it. Well, you know why? 463 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,880 Yeah, cuz they want to be the first to test to the headline. 464 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,700 Yeah, I know. And it's just disgusting. The 465 00:29:08,700 --> 00:29:11,910 public loves it. The public loves it. You can't deny it. 466 00:29:11,910 --> 00:29:14,340 People love it. They want to know they need info give me 467 00:29:14,340 --> 00:29:15,090 clicks, click click. 468 00:29:17,550 --> 00:29:24,900 Which is true. But if you're on a phone with the camp, you would 469 00:29:24,900 --> 00:29:27,870 think it say have you talked to his wife yet? But she know you 470 00:29:27,870 --> 00:29:31,410 know, before we run this thing out here, but I have such 471 00:29:31,410 --> 00:29:33,420 disdain for TMZ Oh, yeah. 472 00:29:34,890 --> 00:29:37,170 It's soulless. Yes, parasites correct. 473 00:29:38,430 --> 00:29:43,620 Because I honestly my personal belief is TMZ is like a 474 00:29:45,450 --> 00:29:51,270 commercial form of an alphabet organization. They have their 475 00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:57,030 they have their spies everywhere hotels, restaurants. And this is 476 00:29:57,030 --> 00:29:59,580 how they operate. I mean, they have tentacles everywhere. 477 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,540 It's been Other than that, they gladly take good tips from 478 00:30:03,540 --> 00:30:06,240 people everywhere and their numbers well known people call 479 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,500 in all the time and they pay him. 480 00:30:08,550 --> 00:30:12,210 Yeah. And not only that, I mean, they say they have these random 481 00:30:12,210 --> 00:30:15,660 people that call them, I think they actually have plants show 482 00:30:16,140 --> 00:30:18,840 in the hotspots to shut your mouth. 483 00:30:18,870 --> 00:30:20,280 Sure they do out, 484 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,820 I want to give it example, because TMZ hands is not clean, 485 00:30:23,820 --> 00:30:28,950 and this whole tearing down of Kobe, and this was right when 486 00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:32,910 Kobe Bryant won his Oscar for his short story, and the film 487 00:30:32,910 --> 00:30:36,570 that was made out of it, I want you to hear one of the TMZ 488 00:30:36,570 --> 00:30:39,000 parasites and I'm gonna use that tariff for them because that's 489 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,350 what they are they just these be like, like parasites. I mean, 490 00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:48,030 they just suck anything they can listen to him running around at 491 00:30:48,030 --> 00:30:51,750 the Oscars where Kobe would receive the reward his award, 492 00:30:52,410 --> 00:30:54,870 trying to stir up controversy. 493 00:30:56,580 --> 00:30:59,970 Kobe Bryant's when yeah, there's a lot of people that are saying 494 00:30:59,970 --> 00:31:04,260 because he had some accusations in the past. And they're kind of 495 00:31:04,290 --> 00:31:07,410 surprised that he won. What's your reaction to that? Like? 496 00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:11,490 I don't know. I would like to think I really don't know. But 497 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,150 all I can say is I, I I'm kind of willfully ignorant about the 498 00:31:15,150 --> 00:31:19,980 situation. But my hope is that the project itself was judged on 499 00:31:19,980 --> 00:31:24,180 its merits. And that's and that's what we might have. Yeah, 500 00:31:24,210 --> 00:31:27,300 so I'm sorry. I didn't have a more interesting answer. You 501 00:31:27,300 --> 00:31:28,380 know, thanks a lot, guys. 502 00:31:28,860 --> 00:31:32,040 What you thought about Kobe and winning the Oscar was 503 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,290 incredible. Really? Like there are a lot of people even though 504 00:31:34,290 --> 00:31:37,620 he's been accused of things in the past like, you think that or 505 00:31:42,030 --> 00:31:42,870 watch movies. 506 00:31:44,010 --> 00:31:48,150 He won for Best Animated documentary. Okay. So but he's 507 00:31:48,150 --> 00:31:50,850 like, you know, had some accusations in the past. You 508 00:31:50,850 --> 00:31:51,900 think that matters? 509 00:31:53,670 --> 00:31:57,480 And a lot of thoughts on a lot of things like that, but I'm 510 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:58,710 gonna keep it political. 511 00:32:00,060 --> 00:32:02,580 What do you think about Kobe Bryant winning an Oscar? 512 00:32:05,490 --> 00:32:06,690 Amazing. Yeah, 513 00:32:06,750 --> 00:32:10,350 yeah. Even even in light of the whole metoo movement going on, 514 00:32:10,350 --> 00:32:13,290 you know, he had the allegations years ago is is that okay, that 515 00:32:13,290 --> 00:32:14,700 he want to ask him? Well, I 516 00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:18,930 don't know. I don't know much about his background. I mean, 517 00:32:18,930 --> 00:32:23,820 besides his career, but sure. Yeah, I think that's great. 518 00:32:24,450 --> 00:32:26,550 Thank you one. Nice. 519 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,660 Yeah, this is this is the parasite trick. You know, this 520 00:32:30,660 --> 00:32:33,720 was, of course, right in the middle of the meat to movement, 521 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,570 which was big at the Oscars amongst the virtue signalers. 522 00:32:36,930 --> 00:32:42,270 And this guy was literally told by I presume, Harvey, go there 523 00:32:42,390 --> 00:32:46,440 and ask everybody about the rape allegations? And if they think 524 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,690 it's okay, just ask them that. And that's exactly what he did. 525 00:32:48,690 --> 00:32:52,800 Because the guy's a bot. He's just like, and it's funny, 526 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,170 because I always hear these guys. He's also trying to suck 527 00:32:55,170 --> 00:32:57,540 up to the stars. He doesn't want to be too embarrassing. You 528 00:32:57,540 --> 00:33:01,470 know, Hey, man, hey, hey, you know, what do you think? And 529 00:33:01,620 --> 00:33:05,520 it's, it's what we do in American media, particularly if 530 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,300 you are a king or a hero or at the top? Yeah, we'd like to, 531 00:33:09,330 --> 00:33:12,420 we'd like to bring people down and then we have the comeback 532 00:33:12,420 --> 00:33:17,010 kid. It's, it's what we do. And this was perfect, because oh, 533 00:33:17,010 --> 00:33:20,010 let's call some people out for hypocrisy or something like 534 00:33:20,010 --> 00:33:21,690 that. It's a machine move. 535 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:27,690 So to the machine Kobe had gotten the green light or a pass 536 00:33:27,690 --> 00:33:32,460 because he received his Oscar he didn't really get heckled or 537 00:33:32,460 --> 00:33:35,430 booed at the Oscar. So that was like a weird thing. Because 538 00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:38,310 like, you would think that me too. Crowle would a really 539 00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:41,910 struck it up on him. But they never could get any traction. So 540 00:33:41,910 --> 00:33:44,040 that just made me wonder like, you know, 541 00:33:45,210 --> 00:33:48,720 Mo if I can just interject, they'd been Kobe rep it 542 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,260 certainly at that moment in his life and career represented 543 00:33:52,260 --> 00:33:59,520 huge. Money. Huge corporate interest. Big goggles. Sorry. 544 00:34:01,170 --> 00:34:05,160 No, you're good. You're good now is your 545 00:34:06,180 --> 00:34:10,080 man he's black that I mentioned that. Oh, yeah. Oh, no. 546 00:34:10,350 --> 00:34:12,330 That's that he was you were on a roll there. 547 00:34:13,709 --> 00:34:15,929 He's untouchable. Man. He was 548 00:34:16,620 --> 00:34:21,660 neg that's a negative it means but the money thing he's he 549 00:34:21,660 --> 00:34:26,880 worked he's worked for Nike. We've saw that he had a chops to 550 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:33,840 create go in content. He was a content creator. So yeah, they 551 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,710 saw pass Yeah, they saw pass it like hands off. Nope. I mean, 552 00:34:37,740 --> 00:34:40,560 even at the Oscars now. If you notice, even when they were 553 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,430 asked a question I don't know nothing about Kobe, right. I'm 554 00:34:44,430 --> 00:34:49,650 not done. Yet the Arab I had been coached up this say. 555 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,120 Yeah, I'm just here to celebrate life tonight. Everybody. 556 00:34:55,619 --> 00:34:59,969 Right? Well in the past and the Kobe is one guy that didn't 557 00:34:59,999 --> 00:35:03,209 Message and that's Mr. Ari Shaffir. 558 00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:07,830 In all nine lives were taken in a helicopter crash in Calabasas 559 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,600 with countless lives beyond affected by a no sugarcoating 560 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:18,180 it. devastating tragedy. That was until one comedian rubs salt 561 00:35:18,270 --> 00:35:19,620 in an open wound because I know 562 00:35:19,620 --> 00:35:23,220 there's always a lot of like hate pain in the world and so as 563 00:35:23,220 --> 00:35:26,760 much terrible stories, meet Orisha fears every once in a 564 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:31,170 while there's a good story. A good story comes out a guy who 565 00:35:31,170 --> 00:35:40,140 got away with rape got his today Kobe Bryant is up here at 566 00:35:40,140 --> 00:35:45,030 Charlotte home a team that originally drafted him maybe 567 00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:47,040 wouldn't have read that chicken Denver if he had been if it 568 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,270 stayed in Charlotte, the Hornets 569 00:35:48,539 --> 00:35:52,139 should fear within the upper echelon categorization of tone 570 00:35:52,139 --> 00:35:55,559 deaf reactions. It gets worse Shapiro tweeted Kobe Bryant died 571 00:35:55,559 --> 00:35:59,009 23 years too late. He got away with rape because all the 572 00:35:59,009 --> 00:36:02,339 Hollywood liberals who attack comedy enjoy rooting for the 573 00:36:02,339 --> 00:36:05,879 Lakers more than they dislike rape Big ups to the hero who 574 00:36:05,879 --> 00:36:09,749 forgot to gas up his chopper. I hate the Lakers. What a great 575 00:36:09,749 --> 00:36:12,689 day. He claimed he was hacked. But you get the point 576 00:36:14,639 --> 00:36:18,869 rather than another decade, who's just oh, let me do this. 577 00:36:18,869 --> 00:36:21,569 And I'll get attention because I've never heard of Ari David 578 00:36:21,569 --> 00:36:22,799 Shaffir before? 579 00:36:23,610 --> 00:36:30,330 Yes. But all in all, a being a butthole. He did say some truth 580 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:36,570 there that we even foreshadow to that. The liberal Hollywood had 581 00:36:36,570 --> 00:36:37,560 planned for Kobe. 582 00:36:38,670 --> 00:36:40,470 Yes. So 583 00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:45,420 this is from TYT just to let people know this is from Young 584 00:36:45,420 --> 00:36:51,930 Turks sports. And watch how in this next clip, the narrator 585 00:36:51,930 --> 00:36:55,860 doesn't let opportunity to politicize this. Get past him. 586 00:36:56,039 --> 00:36:59,969 Side note the Hollywood liberals argument quick example. studios 587 00:36:59,969 --> 00:37:04,139 are contributing a plenty to the NRA and pro gun politicians 588 00:37:04,169 --> 00:37:07,169 discarding the lives lost to gun violence each and every day in 589 00:37:07,169 --> 00:37:11,639 America, including Netflix Warner Brothers plus Comcast, 590 00:37:11,669 --> 00:37:14,969 the corporate parent of universal pertaining to art many 591 00:37:14,969 --> 00:37:18,299 notables shared their opinions. Oh, 592 00:37:20,190 --> 00:37:24,090 so nice that oh, the Hollywood is not liberal, they donate to 593 00:37:24,270 --> 00:37:30,210 the NRA pro gun. Right? I mean, come on. Come on, we all will is 594 00:37:30,510 --> 00:37:36,690 is on the cutting edge of of liberalism. Right? So now Cobis 595 00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:39,630 legacy and this word, we're not talking about the man and I 596 00:37:39,630 --> 00:37:45,450 don't really do the main stuff. We taught. We always talked 597 00:37:45,450 --> 00:37:48,990 about the narrative and the legacy and how people are, are 598 00:37:48,990 --> 00:37:55,950 used or Yeah, are weaponized. So at the same time, why he was 599 00:37:55,950 --> 00:38:00,420 being attacked for being a alleged rapist. Another 600 00:38:00,450 --> 00:38:05,130 demographic feminist, saw some good to use Mr. Kobe Bryant, 601 00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:08,010 it's likely that you're hearing many personal anecdotes about 602 00:38:08,010 --> 00:38:12,210 Kobe Bryant. So here's mine. I met Kobe one time backstage at 603 00:38:12,210 --> 00:38:15,510 an event for ESPN in New York. And I saw him and I thought, oh 604 00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:19,350 my gosh, that's Kobe, I gotta get a picture for the gram. 605 00:38:19,410 --> 00:38:22,800 That's the picture. I didn't get it for a few minutes. Because as 606 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,040 I approached him, he immediately commented on my rather large 607 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,670 eight month pregnant belly, how are you? How close are you? What 608 00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:33,690 are you having a girl I said, and then he High five me girls 609 00:38:33,690 --> 00:38:36,990 with the best. I asked him for advice on raising girls seem as 610 00:38:36,990 --> 00:38:39,960 though he quite famously had three at the time. And he said, 611 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,690 just be grateful that you've been given that gift because 612 00:38:42,690 --> 00:38:46,110 girls are amazing. Just their daughter, Bianca was about a 613 00:38:46,110 --> 00:38:48,600 year and a half old at the time. So I asked if he wanted more 614 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,360 children. And he said that his wife Vanessa really wanted to 615 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,200 try again, for a boy but we sort of jokingly concerned that it 616 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,680 would be another girl and I was like, four girls. Are you 617 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,830 joking? Like, what would you think? How would you feel? And 618 00:39:01,830 --> 00:39:05,130 without hesitation? He said, I would have five more girls if I 619 00:39:05,130 --> 00:39:08,610 could. I'm a girl dad. When it came to sports. He said that his 620 00:39:08,610 --> 00:39:10,710 oldest daughter was an accomplished volleyball player, 621 00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:14,730 and that the youngest was a toddler so TBD. But that middle 622 00:39:14,730 --> 00:39:17,880 one, he said that middle, what was a monster? She's a beast. 623 00:39:18,269 --> 00:39:21,029 She's better than I was at her age. She's got it. 624 00:39:21,990 --> 00:39:24,960 That middle one, of course was Gigi, when I reflect on this 625 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,330 tragedy, and that half an hour that I spent with Kobe Bryant 626 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,780 two years ago, I suppose that the only small source of comfort 627 00:39:30,780 --> 00:39:31,260 for me 628 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,950 is knowing that he died doing what he loved the most. The big 629 00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:37,140 a dad being a girl dad. 630 00:39:39,090 --> 00:39:49,560 One comment that was completely written and read goggles. 631 00:39:50,789 --> 00:39:53,489 No, my Ella, Ella ducky. I mean, 632 00:39:53,519 --> 00:39:56,399 it was it was scripted. Yeah, you could hear her reading it 633 00:39:56,429 --> 00:39:59,249 and you could hear her trying to throw inflection into it and 634 00:39:59,249 --> 00:40:02,069 make it sound Conversation. Oh, but it was scripted. And of 635 00:40:02,069 --> 00:40:04,439 course, she cried at the end. That was nice. A nice touch. 636 00:40:04,499 --> 00:40:10,199 Yeah. So the feminists had two different plans for Kobe. 637 00:40:10,889 --> 00:40:17,939 Because why he was a huge supporter of women's basketball. 638 00:40:18,119 --> 00:40:21,359 And the WNBA is really struggling right now and then we 639 00:40:21,359 --> 00:40:24,479 make hit. I mean, they never made they've never made any 640 00:40:24,479 --> 00:40:26,009 money made a profit. 641 00:40:27,570 --> 00:40:30,960 It's pretty it's pretty bad when in our country soccer, women's 642 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,410 soccer is you know, leap years ahead of women's basketball 643 00:40:35,460 --> 00:40:40,380 right so they saw an opportunity here to say you know what, one 644 00:40:40,380 --> 00:40:43,890 faction and this is going to show people when you use term 645 00:40:43,890 --> 00:40:48,180 like feminist or whatever the SDR ism is there's always 646 00:40:48,180 --> 00:40:54,330 factions within those groups and corporate faction saw weaker 647 00:40:54,330 --> 00:41:01,230 really monetize and you know use this guy as a catalyst for our 648 00:41:01,230 --> 00:41:05,280 agenda money in the bank. Yeah, the girl dad and that and it 649 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,970 blew up girl dad was a big hashtag watching No. Yeah, I was 650 00:41:08,970 --> 00:41:12,330 watching the Fox Morning News. I don't I don't watch my wife 651 00:41:12,330 --> 00:41:15,120 watches it, but I mean, I have to hear it. And it's like, Girl 652 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:19,110 dad, girl, dad. I'm a girl dad, you know? No. Oh, my dad's a 653 00:41:19,110 --> 00:41:22,260 girl dad. And I'm like, let's be clear people. I have three 654 00:41:22,260 --> 00:41:30,930 daughters. Dad. Yeah, so I'm, I'm a girl, dad. But I can say 655 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:39,540 um, when you have girl girl girl as a parent, in general, you 656 00:41:39,540 --> 00:41:43,950 looking? Maybe to have another have, you know, have the 657 00:41:43,950 --> 00:41:46,140 opposite sex? You know? So you have some? That's 658 00:41:46,140 --> 00:41:49,740 typically Yes. Yeah, typically a ship, man. Give me one boy, I 659 00:41:49,770 --> 00:41:53,250 might as well. These three girls can take care of them later on. 660 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,050 Which the inverse of that, um, I have two other brothers and no 661 00:41:58,050 --> 00:42:03,300 sisters. And my parents were shooting for a girl. You know? 662 00:42:03,330 --> 00:42:08,130 So it works both ways. I'm not saying no just got my cuts from 663 00:42:08,130 --> 00:42:12,600 one direction. But you can see how they're weaponized and it 664 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:17,940 was such a huge hashtag it bled over into off one of our 665 00:42:17,940 --> 00:42:19,230 favorite shows the real 666 00:42:19,380 --> 00:42:21,210 goal. Oh, why don't 667 00:42:21,210 --> 00:42:24,360 begin again by giving our condolences to Kobe Bryant's 668 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,680 family on the tragic loss of feminine sorter. And we want to 669 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,520 give condolences to all the victims of that tragic 670 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:37,380 helicopter crash that happened on Sunday. Out of that tragedy, 671 00:42:37,380 --> 00:42:42,330 though, there are some inspiring amazing stories that are coming 672 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:48,750 out about how Kobe touch so many with just his thoughtfulness and 673 00:42:48,750 --> 00:42:51,090 his lovingness take a look at this story. 674 00:42:51,690 --> 00:42:54,000 I asked if he wanted more children. And he said that his 675 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,570 wife Vanessa really wanted to try again for a boy but was sort 676 00:42:57,570 --> 00:43:00,900 of jokingly concerned that it would be another girl and I was 677 00:43:00,900 --> 00:43:04,050 like, four girls. Are you joking? Like what would you 678 00:43:04,050 --> 00:43:07,650 think? How would you feel? And without hesitation? He said I 679 00:43:07,650 --> 00:43:10,890 would have five more girls if I could. I'm a girl dad. 680 00:43:13,079 --> 00:43:18,329 This video has since gone viral. It was retweeted over 30,000 681 00:43:18,329 --> 00:43:24,389 times. ESPN, put it up and it's it has many men proudly stating 682 00:43:24,389 --> 00:43:30,149 that they are hashtag girl dad. So how do you feel about this? 683 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:37,620 Wow. Let me tell you, I have three girls I have a daughter 684 00:43:37,620 --> 00:43:41,160 and two stepdaughters. No way I want no way. I want five more 685 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:46,140 that no way. I don't care what you say No way. Got testosterone 686 00:43:46,140 --> 00:43:48,720 around somewhere. Ah, yeah. Balanced. 687 00:43:48,750 --> 00:43:52,920 I mean, just balanced. We asked for some some balance. I mean, 688 00:43:53,310 --> 00:43:57,180 when my son came was like, Ooh, at least at least I can relate 689 00:43:57,180 --> 00:44:03,030 to somebody you know. It gets it becomes a bit interesting, but 690 00:44:03,150 --> 00:44:04,530 you can hear how 691 00:44:06,210 --> 00:44:08,520 Oh, yeah. Pro woman running with it. Yeah. 692 00:44:09,780 --> 00:44:12,030 Well, which means Leo king 693 00:44:12,060 --> 00:44:15,630 would go on to say before you go there, okay, which I find also 694 00:44:15,690 --> 00:44:19,140 inappropriate. It's just as inappropriate as saying, well, 695 00:44:19,140 --> 00:44:23,820 there's his rape case. It just isn't. Who gives a shit? That 696 00:44:23,820 --> 00:44:28,350 man has just died in? Oh, he was so beautiful. Now, I don't like 697 00:44:28,350 --> 00:44:30,960 any of that. Whether it's positive or negative, it's just 698 00:44:31,260 --> 00:44:35,280 it's I don't know if I find it achy. Anyway, 699 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,210 when they brought him down to two things. It's like one he's a 700 00:44:39,210 --> 00:44:41,760 rapist and the other he's a dad of girls. 701 00:44:41,820 --> 00:44:44,400 I heard he played basketball too. I'm not sure if he was any 702 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:45,930 good. unimportant. Okay, 703 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:50,820 okay. We'll leave that up to Nike, you know, exactly ready to 704 00:44:50,820 --> 00:44:55,650 monetize, however they got to monetize. But Miss Gayle King, 705 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,270 she didn't get the message. 706 00:44:57,449 --> 00:45:01,259 Let me get you up to speed on Tuesdays. CBS This Morning aired 707 00:45:01,259 --> 00:45:05,609 gales interview with former WNBA star Lisa Leslie. In the wide 708 00:45:05,609 --> 00:45:09,179 ranging interview, Gail asked Kobe Bryant's longtime friend 709 00:45:09,179 --> 00:45:11,489 about his tragic death in January, 710 00:45:11,550 --> 00:45:14,280 he will be missed, but he will not be forgotten. That's for 711 00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:15,990 sure. Gail also asked 712 00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:20,310 about his 2003 rape charge and subsequent criminal case, 713 00:45:20,489 --> 00:45:24,719 it's been said that his legacy is complicated because of sexual 714 00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:29,099 assault charge, which was dismissed in 2003 2004. Is it 715 00:45:29,099 --> 00:45:33,389 complicated for you as a woman as a WNBA, player, 716 00:45:33,570 --> 00:45:37,800 COVID. And he was never like that I just never see have ever 717 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,970 seen him being the kind of person that would be do 718 00:45:41,970 --> 00:45:44,970 something to violate a woman or be aggressive in that way. This 719 00:45:44,970 --> 00:45:46,350 is not the person that I know. 720 00:45:46,500 --> 00:45:50,310 The network later posted a clip of that specific moment and 721 00:45:50,310 --> 00:45:52,170 people got mad. 722 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:55,980 Now, is it helpful to get because this is where I kind of 723 00:45:55,980 --> 00:45:58,080 picked up the story, although interestingly, I knew a lot 724 00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,620 about these other things. Do you want to use I tell you how this 725 00:46:01,620 --> 00:46:04,920 came across and what this meant to me and what I looked at, 726 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,150 please, please. So and it was the keeper was looking at this 727 00:46:09,210 --> 00:46:12,630 and she's heartbroken over this. And she she's a sports fan, 728 00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:15,420 although we never watch sports, but you know, she's Chicago, 729 00:46:15,420 --> 00:46:20,190 Chicago, bulls bears all this stuff, socks. But she just 730 00:46:20,190 --> 00:46:23,070 heartbroken over, you know, I think mainly because the 731 00:46:23,070 --> 00:46:27,630 daughter was on the was also on the helicopter. And so she 732 00:46:27,630 --> 00:46:30,900 showed me this, and the subsequent Snoop thing, but 733 00:46:30,900 --> 00:46:34,380 what, what what I heard, so I saw this like, Huh, that's 734 00:46:34,380 --> 00:46:36,630 interesting. Yeah, it's kind of a shitty question. But then I 735 00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:40,170 saw Gayle King's Instagram, I know you're gonna get there, I'm 736 00:46:40,170 --> 00:46:45,000 sure. And, and her main point was, well, it's bullshit. 737 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,120 Because it's out of context. It was a long interview, and I 738 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:52,050 guess the Intuit even aired the day or two days earlier. So I 739 00:46:52,050 --> 00:46:55,170 don't know if that was in the interview. But it was the little 740 00:46:55,170 --> 00:46:59,640 clip that was put online, which out of context, you know. And so 741 00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,830 at first, I was like, oh, man, what a horrible woman to do 742 00:47:01,830 --> 00:47:06,030 that. And then her defense. as a, as a journalist, I thought to 743 00:47:06,030 --> 00:47:09,630 myself, wow, yeah, I can kind of understand that, you know, they 744 00:47:09,630 --> 00:47:12,840 do that kind of shitty stuff out of context. And it can just hit 745 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,800 wrong and get someone to rile it up on social media. And so I 746 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:21,150 kind of gave Gail in my mind a pass and I that's when I dropped 747 00:47:21,150 --> 00:47:22,860 it. That's when I was done with the whole thing. 748 00:47:23,730 --> 00:47:25,470 Well, hold on, carry no boy. 749 00:47:29,970 --> 00:47:33,090 Oh, boy, standby, everybody, we're going down. 750 00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:39,030 Alright, so she said they took it out of context. So we don't 751 00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:42,660 do sound clips and sound bites on the show. No, we always go 752 00:47:42,660 --> 00:47:48,330 back and get the full audio. That way we can make our own 753 00:47:48,330 --> 00:47:52,380 judgement if it was, you know, cherry picked or if it was, 754 00:47:52,830 --> 00:47:57,240 actually was what she said where she said, So and this next clip, 755 00:47:57,510 --> 00:48:02,610 I have the transition from one subject to the next subject. In 756 00:48:02,610 --> 00:48:04,770 the actual interview with Lisa Leslie, 757 00:48:04,980 --> 00:48:08,370 we know what Kobe is accomplished. But Gigi hadn't 758 00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,540 she didn't have the full opportunity to do that. Because 759 00:48:12,540 --> 00:48:18,600 you just know that she she had the the mentality Mambas seemed 760 00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,900 it was gonna make it she was going to be in the WNBA 761 00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:26,279 It's been said that his legacy is complicated because of sexual 762 00:48:26,279 --> 00:48:30,659 assault charge, which was dismissed in 2003 2004. Is it 763 00:48:30,659 --> 00:48:34,949 complicated for you, as a woman as a WNBA? Player? 764 00:48:35,610 --> 00:48:38,850 It's not complicated for me at all. Even if there's a few times 765 00:48:38,850 --> 00:48:41,490 that we've been at a club at the same time club is not the kind 766 00:48:41,490 --> 00:48:45,180 of guy never been like, you know, please go get that girl or 767 00:48:45,180 --> 00:48:48,480 tell her or send her this. I have other NBA friends that are 768 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:53,220 like that. COVID He was never like that. I just never see have 769 00:48:53,220 --> 00:48:57,690 ever seen him being the kind of person that would be do 770 00:48:57,690 --> 00:49:00,660 something to violate a woman or be aggressive in that way. This 771 00:49:00,660 --> 00:49:02,010 is not the person that I know. 772 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,280 But Lisa, you wouldn't see it though. As his friend you 773 00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:06,030 wouldn't see it 774 00:49:06,059 --> 00:49:07,139 and that's possible. 775 00:49:09,420 --> 00:49:11,910 So that was that the real transition? That was not an 776 00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:16,140 edit. Yes, that's the real transcript and you sure because 777 00:49:16,140 --> 00:49:20,790 even the audio sounded like I mean that was there a cut in the 778 00:49:20,790 --> 00:49:21,600 video? 779 00:49:22,500 --> 00:49:27,720 Well, I can't tell that I mean, I'm sure it was edited when they 780 00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:30,150 edited it, but that's not an editor of mine. This came from 781 00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:30,570 almost 782 00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:34,020 no I understand. I just want to hear this came from Yeah, I just 783 00:49:34,020 --> 00:49:36,030 want to look at the waveform Hold on a second. Let me let me 784 00:49:36,030 --> 00:49:36,480 just look at 785 00:49:37,380 --> 00:49:42,990 she she had the the mentality mama Sita was gonna make it she 786 00:49:42,990 --> 00:49:45,660 was going to be in the WNBA It's been 787 00:49:45,660 --> 00:49:46,770 said that his lips 788 00:49:46,829 --> 00:49:51,089 I don't know, man. That's hard to tell. I'm zooming in. It's 789 00:49:51,089 --> 00:49:51,389 hard. 790 00:49:51,900 --> 00:49:54,600 I'm not I'm not taken away. It could have been well, it's just 791 00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,430 one sec, edit it to the next day. 792 00:49:56,429 --> 00:50:00,299 It's horrible if it no matter if it was edited or not. If it's It 793 00:50:00,299 --> 00:50:01,949 went on the air like that. It's horrible. 794 00:50:02,940 --> 00:50:08,040 Well, here's the thing is she was just asked the question, you 795 00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:09,840 know if he's passed, 796 00:50:10,349 --> 00:50:13,259 okay, it was right after talking about her daughter being great 797 00:50:13,259 --> 00:50:14,669 in the WNBA. 798 00:50:15,449 --> 00:50:19,469 True, but let's just say we're gonna say we're gonna give her 799 00:50:19,469 --> 00:50:22,889 the benefit of doubt. She's doing her journalistic due 800 00:50:22,889 --> 00:50:27,179 diligence. And she has to ask the tough questions, right? Yes. 801 00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:31,049 And that was the justification from a lot of other journalists 802 00:50:31,079 --> 00:50:34,379 or media. People. Well, she had to ask the question, that's our 803 00:50:34,379 --> 00:50:39,149 job. You know, she had asked what, fine. It was the last 20 804 00:50:39,149 --> 00:50:40,619 seconds of the clear what 805 00:50:40,620 --> 00:50:42,780 she said, but you're you were his friend, you wouldn't really 806 00:50:42,780 --> 00:50:46,230 know, would you? Yeah, I heard that. That 807 00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:49,380 is what really, that's what really pissed people off because 808 00:50:49,380 --> 00:50:53,550 it's like, hello, Gail. You just asked her a question. And then 809 00:50:53,550 --> 00:50:57,270 you're gonna basically asked her for a while asking that if you 810 00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:59,610 think her response is gonna be biased. Yeah. And 811 00:50:59,609 --> 00:51:02,579 I don't think I heard that last part in any original that I saw. 812 00:51:03,659 --> 00:51:04,619 No, you didn't? 813 00:51:07,950 --> 00:51:09,330 Did you? I know you did. 814 00:51:11,159 --> 00:51:14,549 That's what we do here. I played the EP clip that was 815 00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:18,419 Entertainment Tonight. I mean, if you just let them hear, she 816 00:51:18,419 --> 00:51:21,299 just asked the question, you know, about his legacy being, 817 00:51:21,299 --> 00:51:27,899 you know, difficult, or, you know, none of that. Oh, like 818 00:51:27,899 --> 00:51:31,109 leading the witness kind of thing. But that's what pissed 819 00:51:31,109 --> 00:51:36,539 everybody off. Yes. And, and she continues. 820 00:51:37,619 --> 00:51:41,519 I just, it's just, I just don't I just don't believe that. And 821 00:51:41,519 --> 00:51:44,519 I'm not saying things didn't happen. I just don't believe 822 00:51:44,999 --> 00:51:48,179 that things didn't happen with force. 823 00:51:48,210 --> 00:51:51,570 Is it even a fair question to talk about it, considering he's 824 00:51:51,570 --> 00:51:54,870 no longer with us and that it was resolved? Or is it really 825 00:51:55,110 --> 00:51:56,400 part of his history? 826 00:51:56,970 --> 00:52:03,660 Well, I think that the media should be more respectful. At 827 00:52:03,660 --> 00:52:07,800 this time, it's like if you had questions about it, you've had 828 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,890 many years to ask him that. I don't think it's something that 829 00:52:10,890 --> 00:52:16,050 we should keep hanging over his legacy. I mean, he went to it 830 00:52:16,050 --> 00:52:17,130 went to trial, it was a 831 00:52:17,130 --> 00:52:20,100 case it was dismissed, because the victim in the case refused 832 00:52:20,100 --> 00:52:22,620 to testify. So it was dismissed. 833 00:52:22,769 --> 00:52:25,559 And I think that that's how we should leave. 834 00:52:27,150 --> 00:52:30,810 Yeah, that's you know what, this is a sad statement that this is 835 00:52:31,500 --> 00:52:36,060 the Tiffany broadcast network, CBS ladies and gentlemen, who do 836 00:52:36,060 --> 00:52:40,950 this then no better than TMZ. And, and did her 837 00:52:40,949 --> 00:52:42,779 job in jail or job kill? 838 00:52:43,530 --> 00:52:45,990 Even though you're so successful? Don't you think it's 839 00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:49,830 a little troubling that you and Oprah wear fanny packs and go 840 00:52:49,830 --> 00:52:53,250 into the woods camping together? I mean, does that really say 841 00:52:53,250 --> 00:52:56,460 anything? I mean, fuck, man, you can do anything with anybody. 842 00:52:57,449 --> 00:53:01,859 Horrible. And I think she thought she was gonna get, you 843 00:53:01,859 --> 00:53:05,309 know, Lisa Leslie to kind of sigh with her or give her 844 00:53:06,119 --> 00:53:06,749 something to 845 00:53:06,869 --> 00:53:09,839 Well, that would be the media way. Yeah. 846 00:53:10,500 --> 00:53:14,310 But she did. And the thing is, Gail called Lisa Leslie for this 847 00:53:14,310 --> 00:53:14,970 interview. 848 00:53:15,420 --> 00:53:16,830 So it was Yeah. Oh, yeah. 849 00:53:16,949 --> 00:53:22,079 Let me get a WNBA player let me throw this ally you up to her 850 00:53:22,109 --> 00:53:26,249 pun intended, and see if she slammed at home and least 851 00:53:26,249 --> 00:53:29,099 Lastly, slam the door in her face. It was like no, I'm not. 852 00:53:29,099 --> 00:53:31,349 No, let's leave it where it was that you had time to ask news 853 00:53:31,349 --> 00:53:36,419 questions when he was alive. You know, and you didn't. And this 854 00:53:36,419 --> 00:53:42,719 is what started everything. Go. So let's get into the backlash. 855 00:53:43,349 --> 00:53:43,889 When Kobe 856 00:53:43,889 --> 00:53:47,879 was 24 He was charged with one count of felony assault after a 857 00:53:47,879 --> 00:53:51,419 then 19 year old woman went to the police claiming he'd 858 00:53:51,419 --> 00:53:54,629 sexually assaulted her in his Colorado hotel room back in 859 00:53:54,629 --> 00:53:59,939 2003. The case was dropped in 2004. After the accuser declined 860 00:53:59,939 --> 00:54:04,139 to testify. The same woman also filed a civil lawsuit, which was 861 00:54:04,139 --> 00:54:07,619 settled out of court in 2005. Right. 862 00:54:08,429 --> 00:54:11,339 Yeah, so that was just the background or the catch people 863 00:54:11,339 --> 00:54:18,239 up on the alleged the allegation or the event in question. To me, 864 00:54:18,299 --> 00:54:21,689 I don't get into people bedrooms. However, the court 865 00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:25,859 said, if you notice when we talk about other celebrities or 866 00:54:25,859 --> 00:54:29,399 iconic figures, I don't go for the low hanging fruit. I don't 867 00:54:29,399 --> 00:54:33,149 go for the sexual innuendo or whatever like that. Right. And 868 00:54:33,149 --> 00:54:35,789 not me. It's like, so we've talked about what their motives 869 00:54:35,789 --> 00:54:40,079 were. But the whole purpose of this whole Gayle King interview 870 00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:42,149 was to get all this churning back up. 871 00:54:42,570 --> 00:54:46,080 Even Snoop Dogg took to social media with an explicit message 872 00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:46,770 for Gail. 873 00:54:47,489 --> 00:54:50,789 We expect more from you, Gail. Don't you hang out with Oprah 874 00:54:51,449 --> 00:54:52,979 while you're attacking us? 875 00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,810 We owe people on Thursday Gail responded to the backlash on 876 00:54:57,810 --> 00:54:58,710 Instagram. 877 00:54:59,039 --> 00:55:03,989 I hit only Seeing the clip that you saw, I'd be extremely angry 878 00:55:03,989 --> 00:55:08,999 with me too. I am mortified. I'm embarrassed. And I'm 879 00:55:09,030 --> 00:55:12,540 very angry. And she shared her side of the story. 880 00:55:12,690 --> 00:55:17,730 Unbeknownst to me, my network put up a clip from a very wide 881 00:55:17,730 --> 00:55:23,130 ranging interview. Totally taken out of context. And when you see 882 00:55:23,130 --> 00:55:27,330 it that way, it's very jarring, jarring to me. So I've been told 883 00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:31,500 or been advised to say nothing. But that's not good enough for 884 00:55:31,500 --> 00:55:35,190 me. I reached out to Lisa, because I know that she's a 885 00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:39,180 longtime friend of Cobis. To talk about his legacy and their 886 00:55:39,180 --> 00:55:45,510 friendship. We had a really wide ranging interview talked about 887 00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:49,080 many things. And yes, we talked about that court case, because 888 00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:53,040 that court case has also come up. And I wanted to get least 889 00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,670 his take on it as a friend who knew him well, what she thought 890 00:55:57,690 --> 00:55:58,860 where that should stand. 891 00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,400 Right. Okay. But really, she said, I want to know what you 892 00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,980 think of it as a friend. Okay, thanks. That's great. But your 893 00:56:04,980 --> 00:56:07,620 friends, so you really can't know. So she was very, very 894 00:56:07,650 --> 00:56:10,950 mean. very mean. Yeah. So I see it now. All right. All right. 895 00:56:12,389 --> 00:56:18,239 Now, and another thing, maybe you didn't catch and clip 14. 896 00:56:19,319 --> 00:56:24,899 The reporter uses the same verbiage that Gail uses. It's a 897 00:56:24,899 --> 00:56:26,999 wide ranging. Oh, can 898 00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,370 I go back and you can go back and listen to that. Is that 899 00:56:29,369 --> 00:56:31,829 Yes. Probably in the first 1020 seconds. Yeah. 900 00:56:32,039 --> 00:56:35,639 Let me get you up to speed on Tuesdays. CBS This Morning aired 901 00:56:35,639 --> 00:56:40,019 gales interview with former WNBA star Lisa Leslie. In the wide 902 00:56:40,019 --> 00:56:42,509 ranging interview. Gail asked Kobe Bryant. 903 00:56:44,369 --> 00:56:46,379 Good catch. I like that. Good catch. 904 00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:50,940 So when I heard this, I was like, Oh, this is damage 905 00:56:50,940 --> 00:56:56,010 control. Because of what Snoop Dogg said. And we haven't even 906 00:56:56,010 --> 00:57:00,090 got to what Snoop Dogg said we got a clip of what Snoop Dogg 907 00:57:00,090 --> 00:57:05,850 said because they didn't want to give his words any more oxygen 908 00:57:06,060 --> 00:57:10,170 for soda fire can burn but as I said before, we don't do clips 909 00:57:10,170 --> 00:57:14,700 here are sound bites. I went and got the whole Snoop Dogg 910 00:57:14,730 --> 00:57:17,010 Instagram post. 911 00:57:17,519 --> 00:57:24,359 Game Okay. Out of pocket for that shit. Way out of pocket. 912 00:57:24,419 --> 00:57:25,799 What do you gain from that? 913 00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:34,080 I swear to God we to worse. We to fucking worse? We expect more 914 00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:37,650 from you Gail. Don't you hang out with Oprah? Why you're 915 00:57:37,650 --> 00:57:42,150 attacking us? We owe people you ain't come after fucking Harvey 916 00:57:42,150 --> 00:57:47,850 Weinstein ask them dumb ask questions. I get sick a yo I 917 00:57:47,850 --> 00:57:53,580 want to call you what is it? Okay if I call them one funky 918 00:57:53,580 --> 00:57:57,510 dough hit bitch. How dare you try to twist my motherfucking 919 00:57:57,510 --> 00:58:01,560 homeboys reputation punk motherfucker. Respect to family 920 00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,230 and back off, bitch before we can get 921 00:58:08,730 --> 00:58:12,210 all right. All right. You're not let me see them loaded here. Can 922 00:58:12,210 --> 00:58:15,960 I Can I just want to deconstruct this for a moment. Please. 923 00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:21,060 Alright. So very valid comment about Harvey Weinstein. Almost 924 00:58:21,060 --> 00:58:24,630 no coverage, very low coverage because you know Trump 925 00:58:24,660 --> 00:58:29,730 impeachment. Then we had Kobe. Yeah, but very little actual. 926 00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:36,720 Harvey Weinstein coverage. And then funky dog haired ass bitch. 927 00:58:37,289 --> 00:58:39,959 Yeah, is that what he said? Dog head. 928 00:58:39,990 --> 00:58:46,050 No dog head. Okay. Well, then I understand it. I didn't get dog 929 00:58:46,050 --> 00:58:51,570 hair but dog head Alright, got it. Yeah, but you know, respect 930 00:58:51,570 --> 00:58:53,340 for the family. I hear I hear him. 931 00:58:54,900 --> 00:59:01,290 But one thing he said they took and They latched on to it and 932 00:59:01,290 --> 00:59:04,560 they spin it when he said We're coming for you. We will come for 933 00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:06,060 you. Or we'll come get you 934 00:59:06,119 --> 00:59:09,269 Yeah, hold on me that's at the very end right? At the very end 935 00:59:09,269 --> 00:59:10,409 we just play that part. 936 00:59:10,619 --> 00:59:14,249 How do you try to toys my mother fucking homeboys reputation pot 937 00:59:14,249 --> 00:59:18,719 What the fuck was faked a family and back off, bitch before we 938 00:59:18,719 --> 00:59:19,769 come ditch. 939 00:59:20,429 --> 00:59:22,919 Okay, before we the family clearly 940 00:59:24,449 --> 00:59:28,889 before we come get you. So now just mark that down. But I want 941 00:59:28,889 --> 00:59:31,199 to go back to the point you talked about for about Harvey 942 00:59:31,199 --> 00:59:35,519 Weinstein. Now this girl interview. Not surprised at all. 943 00:59:35,609 --> 00:59:40,679 I was waiting on it. This is what they do. This is what Gail 944 00:59:40,709 --> 00:59:47,879 and Oprah does. They have a a they're known for this kind of 945 00:59:47,879 --> 00:59:52,769 behavior. Oh looking. They're looking at this. This is why I 946 00:59:52,769 --> 00:59:58,259 brought it up because to the mainstream media watchers. They 947 00:59:58,259 --> 01:00:02,609 won't catch this because As you heard in the clip, they took a 948 01:00:02,609 --> 01:00:06,719 little snippet of what of the interview and kind of like the 949 01:00:06,779 --> 01:00:11,009 the low impact information and then they took a little clip of 950 01:00:11,009 --> 01:00:14,339 Snoop Dogg and tells you how bad it was but didn't play you the 951 01:00:14,339 --> 01:00:19,109 clip. And that's that's all you heard. But Gayle King, Oprah 952 01:00:19,109 --> 01:00:24,149 have a history of looking the other way when it comes to white 953 01:00:24,149 --> 01:00:29,939 men. Powerful white men in Hollywood. Television, but when 954 01:00:29,939 --> 01:00:34,319 it comes to black men, your you remember the raw the art Kelly 955 01:00:37,079 --> 01:00:38,549 virome fame famous. Yeah. 956 01:00:39,030 --> 01:00:41,940 And I think she got bit by a viral bug and thought she was 957 01:00:41,940 --> 01:00:45,150 gonna get the same thing again. What do you think? 958 01:00:45,150 --> 01:00:49,050 What do you think this is? Is this a hatred of black men? Is 959 01:00:49,050 --> 01:00:53,910 it a hatred of men? Is today? We're gonna call out the evil 960 01:00:53,940 --> 01:00:57,270 elements who are doing horrible things according to us so we can 961 01:00:57,270 --> 01:01:01,980 make us better? Is that what it is? What the hell are they think 962 01:01:01,980 --> 01:01:04,740 and when who made them? The the bosses of us. 963 01:01:05,730 --> 01:01:06,750 It's the gender war. 964 01:01:07,110 --> 01:01:11,640 So it is purely that but you but okay. Yeah, no. I mean, yeah, 965 01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:12,330 you're right. gender 966 01:01:12,330 --> 01:01:19,860 war. As I said before, 2020 is important. All of this is 967 01:01:19,860 --> 01:01:24,510 underlying, we have to separate ourselves into our own 968 01:01:24,510 --> 01:01:30,810 demographic. separate ourselves from black men. Yeah. If you 969 01:01:30,810 --> 01:01:34,530 don't, if you don't carry the water, you know, if you don't 970 01:01:34,980 --> 01:01:39,060 push the feminist agenda, if you don't push the intersectionality 971 01:01:39,060 --> 01:01:42,870 agenda, whatever agenda it is, if you don't push it, then we 972 01:01:42,870 --> 01:01:47,310 need to marginalize you. Right so they they saw excellent 973 01:01:47,310 --> 01:01:50,700 example of attacking Kobe Bryant. They get another feather 974 01:01:50,700 --> 01:01:53,670 in the cap. That's one list conversation we got our work 975 01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:56,610 covenants me to thing we're on top of it without talking about 976 01:01:56,820 --> 01:02:02,220 the real power structure. We don't want to talk about the 977 01:02:02,220 --> 01:02:07,500 real the Les Moonves is of the world. The hardest Weinstein's 978 01:02:07,499 --> 01:02:10,289 of the world through power there. Yes. Exactly. 979 01:02:11,099 --> 01:02:17,699 The right power. My definition of lack show what white really 980 01:02:17,699 --> 01:02:18,269 is, 981 01:02:18,900 --> 01:02:20,940 is nepotism. 982 01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:28,830 Exactly. So they they thought David Great. Gail and Oprah are 983 01:02:28,830 --> 01:02:33,480 passing and they're earning in their earning their keep. 984 01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:35,760 Oh, of course if Good job girls. 985 01:02:36,659 --> 01:02:43,979 Don't don't we see the same thing with with Hoover. That's 986 01:02:44,519 --> 01:02:48,569 we the hardest. Yeah. So a weekend pass. 987 01:02:49,619 --> 01:02:52,139 Really? Yeah. never considered that. 988 01:02:54,599 --> 01:02:58,799 Yes, this is this is what we're talking about here. So yeah, um, 989 01:02:59,519 --> 01:03:02,369 and I know you'd probably not you but people are saying well, 990 01:03:02,549 --> 01:03:09,479 while you're stretching there. Let's hear how Gayle King spoke 991 01:03:09,479 --> 01:03:10,559 on Charlie Rose. 992 01:03:11,309 --> 01:03:14,699 Gayle King opened up about the me to movement and a profile 993 01:03:14,699 --> 01:03:17,699 with the New York Times which published online on Wednesday, 994 01:03:17,789 --> 01:03:20,699 the CBS Morning anchor extensively discussed how the 995 01:03:20,699 --> 01:03:23,699 movement evolved from a topic she covered on the news to 996 01:03:23,699 --> 01:03:26,999 something she's had to face head on as a number of her colleagues 997 01:03:26,999 --> 01:03:29,969 at CVS have been accused of sexual misconduct and 998 01:03:29,969 --> 01:03:33,809 harassment. Kings coworker Charlie Rose, who co hosted CBS 999 01:03:33,809 --> 01:03:38,009 This Morning, alongside CBS CEO Les Moonves and 60 minutes 1000 01:03:38,009 --> 01:03:40,589 Executive Producer Jeff Fager have all been accused of 1001 01:03:40,589 --> 01:03:44,369 misconduct over the past year. King told the times that you can 1002 01:03:44,369 --> 01:03:47,639 hold two ideas in your head at the same time, meaning that she 1003 01:03:47,639 --> 01:03:50,909 believed the accusers while also believing that the accused men 1004 01:03:50,909 --> 01:03:53,669 shouldn't be banished for light. She also discussed the 1005 01:03:53,669 --> 01:03:56,969 possibility of redemption for the man accused saying there 1006 01:03:56,969 --> 01:03:59,999 must be room for some redemption somewhere. I don't know what the 1007 01:03:59,999 --> 01:04:03,209 answer is to that, and it might be too soon. Maybe people don't 1008 01:04:03,209 --> 01:04:06,149 want to hear that King added that it is difficult to talk 1009 01:04:06,149 --> 01:04:08,909 about the me to movement and brought up Matt Damon's comments 1010 01:04:08,909 --> 01:04:12,029 as an example. They took his head off and I actually agree 1011 01:04:12,029 --> 01:04:14,669 with what he was saying. That doesn't mean I'm just counting 1012 01:04:14,669 --> 01:04:17,729 what the women are saying. I'm just saying that we can't paint 1013 01:04:17,729 --> 01:04:21,299 everybody with the same brush King said she isn't sure what 1014 01:04:21,299 --> 01:04:24,419 roses next career steps will be and while she doesn't anticipate 1015 01:04:24,419 --> 01:04:27,659 on working with rose again, she revealed that they do still keep 1016 01:04:27,659 --> 01:04:30,779 in touch. I know there are two sides to every story. That's 1017 01:04:30,779 --> 01:04:33,689 what I know. She said before sharing that she recently called 1018 01:04:33,689 --> 01:04:37,019 rose to check in on him after he had a health scare to times 1019 01:04:37,019 --> 01:04:39,539 reach out to where it was for a comment to which he responded to 1020 01:04:39,539 --> 01:04:43,619 via email taloja The Sunday Times is profiling Dale there is 1021 01:04:43,649 --> 01:04:46,799 a God in heaven. Rose did eventually speak with the times 1022 01:04:46,799 --> 01:04:49,859 and had nothing but praise for his former co host for more on 1023 01:04:49,859 --> 01:04:52,559 the story had to thr.com and until next time for The 1024 01:04:52,559 --> 01:04:54,209 Hollywood Reporter news everyone enjoy 1025 01:04:55,500 --> 01:04:59,400 as great that's great. You know I'm able to hold two things in 1026 01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:04,650 my head One time. Yes. I'm very special that way. Now I actually 1027 01:05:04,650 --> 01:05:09,000 have a minute clip of her on CBS on the morning show talking 1028 01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,400 about if you're interested. Sure, sure. 1029 01:05:11,429 --> 01:05:12,989 Let's let's hear the Washington 1030 01:05:12,989 --> 01:05:16,679 Post is signaling there may be more revelations about what CBS 1031 01:05:16,679 --> 01:05:20,849 News knew about claims of inappropriate conduct. Charlie 1032 01:05:20,849 --> 01:05:24,329 Rose. In a story published yesterday, the post detailed 1033 01:05:24,329 --> 01:05:28,199 three occasions during which it says CPS managers were warned of 1034 01:05:28,199 --> 01:05:29,819 Rose's conduct. All right, 1035 01:05:29,819 --> 01:05:32,429 Anna, thank you. Listen, the more you hear about the story, 1036 01:05:32,429 --> 01:05:35,099 the more awkward and more uncomfortable it is. But the 1037 01:05:35,099 --> 01:05:37,859 good news is, you can say good news is that the company is 1038 01:05:37,859 --> 01:05:41,189 investigating hired somebody from the outside. And I really 1039 01:05:41,189 --> 01:05:43,109 do feel that the chips fall where they made this 1040 01:05:43,109 --> 01:05:45,989 investigation is continuing. And we take it very, very seriously, 1041 01:05:46,019 --> 01:05:48,539 as a son of somebody worked in the news business in the 50s. 1042 01:05:48,539 --> 01:05:51,149 And 60s, I think about the women who had to come forward what 1043 01:05:51,149 --> 01:05:53,729 they had to the anguish they had to live through the courage it 1044 01:05:53,729 --> 01:05:56,729 took to come forward. And the frustration of having to be 1045 01:05:56,729 --> 01:05:59,999 silent and feel like you can't have a voice. So it's good that 1046 01:06:00,029 --> 01:06:02,789 they can get some kind of way through this investigation. I 1047 01:06:02,789 --> 01:06:05,339 also kind of I also think about the other damage in this, which 1048 01:06:05,339 --> 01:06:07,799 is all the people who work here, those long nights, who fling 1049 01:06:07,799 --> 01:06:10,859 themselves across the country, cover stories, who were a part 1050 01:06:10,859 --> 01:06:13,649 of this now and dealing with it as well, 1051 01:06:13,649 --> 01:06:16,019 which is why it's important or investigating the past, but even 1052 01:06:16,019 --> 01:06:17,399 more important that we're moving forward. 1053 01:06:17,789 --> 01:06:19,679 And that there are a lot of professionals in the building 1054 01:06:19,709 --> 01:06:22,589 doing a very good job. I don't want people to forget, you know, 1055 01:06:22,589 --> 01:06:24,719 there are a lot of people doing a lot of good work here, as you 1056 01:06:24,719 --> 01:06:25,379 pointed out. 1057 01:06:28,199 --> 01:06:32,429 Boy, awkward, very awkward and just awkward. Really 1058 01:06:32,430 --> 01:06:36,030 bad man is bad. Not not that predators or 1059 01:06:36,060 --> 01:06:39,000 No, no, no, I'm sorry. You know, at least the company is 1060 01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,610 investigating. That's very good. Good news. Good news. 1061 01:06:42,420 --> 01:06:45,570 And if you go back to her clip, she said, Well, he's a friend 1062 01:06:45,570 --> 01:06:48,960 you know, and I can see things two ways you know, I can I 1063 01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:55,770 believe the women walk at least allegedly do the same thing. You 1064 01:06:55,770 --> 01:06:58,650 hear the hypocrisy. Now we're starting to see well, we're, 1065 01:06:58,830 --> 01:07:04,470 we're covering it. There's a difference in how we color. tone 1066 01:07:04,470 --> 01:07:08,130 but how we cover people by their, quote unquote, color, 1067 01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:09,360 like Charlie Rose. 1068 01:07:10,290 --> 01:07:15,000 He could be this could be that could be Oh, man, maybe? Yeah. 1069 01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:18,450 Well, maybe she just sweet on Charlie. So let's listen to 1070 01:07:18,900 --> 01:07:21,090 Gayle King on movies. 1071 01:07:21,599 --> 01:07:24,929 I am so sorry. Again, it's so close to home for us. You know, 1072 01:07:24,989 --> 01:07:28,259 I'm sick and sick of the story and sickened by everything that 1073 01:07:28,259 --> 01:07:31,679 we keep hearing. But the part you mentioned about transparency 1074 01:07:31,679 --> 01:07:34,529 is very disturbing to me. Because I would think, How can 1075 01:07:34,529 --> 01:07:37,589 we have this investigation and not know how it comes out? Les 1076 01:07:37,589 --> 01:07:39,989 Moonves has been on the record. He says, Listen, he didn't do 1077 01:07:39,989 --> 01:07:42,569 these things, that it was consensual, that he hasn't hurt 1078 01:07:42,569 --> 01:07:45,359 anybody's career. And I would think it would be in his best 1079 01:07:45,359 --> 01:07:48,389 interest for us to hear what the report finds out. On the other 1080 01:07:48,389 --> 01:07:50,669 hand, you have women who are coming forward very credibly 1081 01:07:50,669 --> 01:07:54,179 talking about something that's so painful and so humiliating. 1082 01:07:54,359 --> 01:07:57,329 It's been my experience that women don't come out and speak 1083 01:07:57,329 --> 01:08:00,719 this way for no reason. They just don't, they just don't do 1084 01:08:00,719 --> 01:08:05,219 it. And so I don't know how we move forward. If we don't we at 1085 01:08:05,219 --> 01:08:09,629 CBS don't have full transparency about what we find. John, I 1086 01:08:09,659 --> 01:08:11,759 wasn't here yesterday, because I was in a wedding in Europe, as 1087 01:08:11,759 --> 01:08:14,189 you guys know, but I thought it was interesting when you said a 1088 01:08:14,189 --> 01:08:16,979 friend of yours said for 30 years this has haunted her 1089 01:08:17,189 --> 01:08:19,289 because we of course were talking about it all weekend and 1090 01:08:19,289 --> 01:08:21,719 someone said what How Does anybody remember what happened 1091 01:08:21,719 --> 01:08:24,569 30 years ago when it is that traumatic? And that's 1092 01:08:24,569 --> 01:08:27,929 humiliating you remember every single detail like 1093 01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,040 brother yell so disingenuous. There's 1094 01:08:35,039 --> 01:08:39,749 so many details there. Let's get some nice women on the couch. A 1095 01:08:39,749 --> 01:08:44,159 whole week special and talk to them about Moonves and Charlie 1096 01:08:44,159 --> 01:08:48,029 Rose and the other guy and we got plenty of guys, but 1097 01:08:48,449 --> 01:08:51,179 there's a friend you know, like you can't really tell now can 1098 01:08:51,179 --> 01:08:54,539 you give you don't really know do you, man? Oh. 1099 01:08:56,670 --> 01:09:02,160 So now we're seeing people that sensitive sensitive to this, 1100 01:09:02,370 --> 01:09:05,310 have been picking up on this. And we're waiting for the expos. 1101 01:09:05,310 --> 01:09:10,530 As for these guys like, Oh, she wants to admit clip that I'm 1102 01:09:10,530 --> 01:09:14,580 sick of this story. Yeah, not. It is a great day for women. You 1103 01:09:14,580 --> 01:09:18,360 know that, you know, the victims finally get to tell the truth. 1104 01:09:18,510 --> 01:09:24,450 She said no. I'm sick of their story. You know? What? Oh, now 1105 01:09:24,450 --> 01:09:28,080 you're sick of it. But when it's somebody like you know, let me 1106 01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:31,470 make some clear. I am not taking no for our Kelly. I'm not taking 1107 01:09:31,770 --> 01:09:35,220 any of them. What I want is fairness. If you're going to 1108 01:09:35,220 --> 01:09:40,350 cover one group of people that weren't way b just cover this 1109 01:09:40,380 --> 01:09:41,940 other group of people saying wow, 1110 01:09:41,970 --> 01:09:44,790 we don't really want that. Otherwise we'd have no show. We 1111 01:09:44,790 --> 01:09:47,610 want people just to be themselves and that'll help us. 1112 01:09:49,020 --> 01:09:53,370 Right. Gail is not let's not. Let's not beat up on Gail too 1113 01:09:53,370 --> 01:09:54,360 much. Oh, let's 1114 01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:55,710 go to Oprah. 1115 01:09:56,310 --> 01:09:57,180 Yes, please. 1116 01:09:57,330 --> 01:09:58,980 Let's talk about what's happening with Harvey Weinstein. 1117 01:09:58,980 --> 01:10:01,530 I know you posted on Facebook already but you haven't kind of 1118 01:10:01,530 --> 01:10:04,980 spoken yet publicly about what's going on. I think 1119 01:10:04,980 --> 01:10:08,430 that this is, yeah, I'm always trying to look for the rainbow 1120 01:10:08,430 --> 01:10:12,150 in the clouds, whatever is the silver lining. And this is what 1121 01:10:12,150 --> 01:10:15,960 I do know for sure. When something this major happens 1122 01:10:16,110 --> 01:10:20,220 when you have the fallout 50 women coming forward, that it's 1123 01:10:20,220 --> 01:10:24,810 a watershed moment. And what I do believe is actually happening 1124 01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:29,880 is that, first of all, it's triggering a lot of unreleased 1125 01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:34,350 pain, repressed anger, guilt and suffering that a lot of women 1126 01:10:34,350 --> 01:10:37,380 have had I happened to be on set with several actresses the other 1127 01:10:37,380 --> 01:10:41,640 day, and we were filming some things and they were like, they 1128 01:10:41,670 --> 01:10:44,760 hadn't slept over a period of two or three days. And I was 1129 01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:47,700 like, what is that? I said, Oh, you guys are suffering from 1130 01:10:47,700 --> 01:10:49,500 PTSD. And we never worry 1131 01:10:49,739 --> 01:10:51,899 about it out loud to everybody has 1132 01:10:51,900 --> 01:10:55,260 a story. Everybody has a story. And so I think this is a 1133 01:10:55,260 --> 01:10:58,590 watershed moment. And if we make this just about Harvey 1134 01:10:58,590 --> 01:11:02,190 Weinstein, then we will have lost this moment. 1135 01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:10,320 Oh, wow. That's pretty great. 1136 01:11:11,670 --> 01:11:14,970 She's looking for the rainbow and the silver linings. Yeah. 1137 01:11:15,180 --> 01:11:16,830 It's just about Harvey Weinstein 1138 01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:20,580 and unicorns. Wow. 1139 01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:27,750 And I want to say this, Snoop Dogg's attack was really attack 1140 01:11:27,750 --> 01:11:33,510 on Oprah. Gail just I happen to walk into the, into the 1141 01:11:33,510 --> 01:11:37,590 crossfire. Because he said, he said, all your friends were 1142 01:11:37,590 --> 01:11:41,220 open. Right? And that's when we he really you're saying start 1143 01:11:41,220 --> 01:11:45,150 landing on thick because people have spotted this about Oprah. 1144 01:11:45,630 --> 01:11:48,210 You had Michael Jackson, you had Bill Cosby, you 1145 01:11:48,210 --> 01:11:51,300 know, and I gotta tell you, as someone who has worked with 1146 01:11:51,300 --> 01:11:56,730 Michael Jackson, I've determined that he was if anything asexual 1147 01:11:56,730 --> 01:12:00,870 and I, I witnessed that whole trial, I was alive. I was 1148 01:12:00,870 --> 01:12:04,200 working. I was in the business I saw it was going on. I was 1149 01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:07,980 always rooting for him. I knew he was going to say I said he 1150 01:12:07,980 --> 01:12:12,090 got killed and people hung up on me. And turns out of course he 1151 01:12:12,090 --> 01:12:19,680 really was. And when oak because I remember one of the most 1152 01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:24,900 impressive moments of Michael Jackson, to me, was when he was 1153 01:12:24,900 --> 01:12:27,900 with Oprah and that she's at Neverland, and they're in his 1154 01:12:28,410 --> 01:12:33,120 theater. And he just and he just starts riffing. And I still get 1155 01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:35,760 goosebumps when I think about it. Like, oh my god, it's so 1156 01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:39,180 talented. And Oprah was it all Michael ha. When we grew up 1157 01:12:39,180 --> 01:12:43,470 together, it's almost like, Forget Diane, I take me Michael. 1158 01:12:43,890 --> 01:12:48,060 And then the way in that shitty ass documentary that came out, 1159 01:12:48,060 --> 01:12:51,270 which really bothered me, I mean, I I didn't even watch the 1160 01:12:51,270 --> 01:12:53,790 whole thing. I know it was gone. I know who these people were. I 1161 01:12:53,790 --> 01:12:58,440 was I saw that happen. I was there. I was in the business. So 1162 01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:02,640 and then how Oprah propagated that was to me very 1163 01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:05,070 disappointing. That's That's when she lost all my respect. 1164 01:13:05,070 --> 01:13:07,620 That's all. I never pay attention to her. So I didn't 1165 01:13:07,620 --> 01:13:10,590 know that there was this continuous thing going on, that 1166 01:13:10,590 --> 01:13:12,270 she likes to discredit black men. 1167 01:13:13,110 --> 01:13:17,130 And the latest one was Russell Simmons. Gotcha. That was that 1168 01:13:17,130 --> 01:13:19,860 was yeah, that was the latest that was the latest one that her 1169 01:13:19,890 --> 01:13:22,830 her target. And people kind of pushed back on her. So she kind 1170 01:13:22,830 --> 01:13:23,550 of saw, 1171 01:13:23,910 --> 01:13:28,080 I saw differently. I saw it as she it was enough for her to 1172 01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:31,050 just get that going. And the I don't think she even really 1173 01:13:31,050 --> 01:13:34,830 intended to be a part of the documentary. I don't think so. I 1174 01:13:34,830 --> 01:13:35,040 thought 1175 01:13:35,070 --> 01:13:38,730 Well, isn't that what Oprah is known for? Yes. Do it put her 1176 01:13:38,730 --> 01:13:42,630 name on something? Yep. And then it just takes a life of its own. 1177 01:13:43,290 --> 01:13:47,790 Now, is her picture still on the wall next to Martin Luther King 1178 01:13:47,790 --> 01:13:50,610 and JFK? Or is it sliding down? 1179 01:13:53,069 --> 01:13:58,949 Well, that was only in some households so they give him some 1180 01:13:58,949 --> 01:14:03,479 there's coming down and others is stripping her but I know I 1181 01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:07,049 know for sure and one household has been off the wall and that's 1182 01:14:07,049 --> 01:14:11,129 for Miss Monique. Are you familiar with Monique right? 1183 01:14:12,810 --> 01:14:14,400 Know what how do I know Monique 1184 01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:18,480 from the from the movie movie pressures? Oh, oh, yeah, of 1185 01:14:18,480 --> 01:14:19,080 course. Yeah. 1186 01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:20,340 Monique is Yeah, yeah, 1187 01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:26,070 well, Mo Nica Oprah has had a running feud ever since precious 1188 01:14:27,630 --> 01:14:30,750 stuff I didn't know I'm glad you're on the showbiz tip. Mo 1189 01:14:30,810 --> 01:14:32,340 This is very this is very handy. 1190 01:14:33,420 --> 01:14:38,520 So what happened was that Monique claims that Oprah 1191 01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:45,420 blackballed her, her and Oprah and Lee Daniels blackballed her 1192 01:14:45,420 --> 01:14:48,450 because she went and do press rooms for for the movie 1193 01:14:48,450 --> 01:14:52,620 precious. So of course Monique had something to say when this 1194 01:14:52,620 --> 01:14:55,290 whole beef kicked up. 1195 01:14:55,410 --> 01:14:58,770 Welcome back to TMZ live via it is one of the things we we say 1196 01:14:58,770 --> 01:15:00,990 frequently hear that either There are certain people in 1197 01:15:00,990 --> 01:15:04,320 Hollywood you don't hear people, other people in Hollywood go 1198 01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:09,780 after. But Monique has never been one to hold her tongue and 1199 01:15:09,780 --> 01:15:12,780 felt very strongly about something she had observed 1200 01:15:12,780 --> 01:15:16,980 happening with Oprah Winfrey. And so she did not hold back 1201 01:15:17,220 --> 01:15:22,290 basically wrote an open letter criticizing Oprah for, for 1202 01:15:22,290 --> 01:15:26,220 attacking by attacking I mean working on documentaries 1203 01:15:26,220 --> 01:15:30,990 producing documentaries that went after powerful black men, 1204 01:15:31,020 --> 01:15:35,400 Russell Simmons, Michael Jackson, while not saying 1205 01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:39,540 anything, at least publicly about Harvey Weinstein or being 1206 01:15:39,540 --> 01:15:44,460 critical of Harvey Weinstein, so Monique spilled this out and an 1207 01:15:44,460 --> 01:15:49,050 open letter that was extremely critical of Oprah hmm. 1208 01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:59,100 Okay, Monique, she she doesn't bite her tongue. No. And as just 1209 01:15:59,100 --> 01:16:01,650 imagine some might say we are you know, a certain people in 1210 01:16:01,650 --> 01:16:06,480 Hollywood. You just don't criticize. That this is what's 1211 01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:07,500 happening. And what's your wit? 1212 01:16:07,500 --> 01:16:10,110 I want you to wit? I want people to realize what they're 1213 01:16:10,110 --> 01:16:15,360 witnessing here. The old guard? Yes. The old bootleg guard. 1214 01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:19,470 Yeah, yep. Yep. Is has lost their power slipping. Yep. 1215 01:16:19,470 --> 01:16:22,770 Because the media. And this is the same for politicians. And I 1216 01:16:22,770 --> 01:16:26,280 think I've said it here before. These people still think you do 1217 01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:29,640 the 80 interview you do the, you know to do the thing was the 1218 01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:34,320 right people. Have Charlie Rose interview us around the table 1219 01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:38,430 really deep and intriguing and probing. And that's how you get 1220 01:16:38,430 --> 01:16:41,700 your message out. Except that's not how it works. That's why 1221 01:16:41,730 --> 01:16:45,900 Gail said Yeah, I don't really usually do this Instagram 1222 01:16:45,900 --> 01:16:49,710 because she she doesn't get it. And what Snoop does he gets it. 1223 01:16:49,740 --> 01:16:52,830 He's a part of that. Although he's moving towards the older, 1224 01:16:52,950 --> 01:16:57,210 older guard to but not like Oprah. And yeah, the power is 1225 01:16:57,210 --> 01:17:00,720 gone. It's all old politicians still think that? Oh, you know, 1226 01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:04,290 I just go on the Sunday morning talk shows and and that'll be 1227 01:17:04,290 --> 01:17:05,790 fine. No, no, no, no. 1228 01:17:06,810 --> 01:17:13,320 No. Yes. Yes. Talent. This is a talent at 10th AKA, aka Boulais. 1229 01:17:14,430 --> 01:17:19,110 They're slowly being called out for their actions. And let's 1230 01:17:19,110 --> 01:17:20,850 just hear Monique, do it. 1231 01:17:21,210 --> 01:17:24,810 Going after Oprah. Good idea or not. Monique, welcome back to 1232 01:17:24,810 --> 01:17:28,380 TMZ live. How are you doing? Wonderful. I see you have 1233 01:17:28,380 --> 01:17:31,620 Sydney's there with you too. Sorry. I don't Sydney. Don't 1234 01:17:31,620 --> 01:17:38,640 wonder. All right, we're good. So. So what was the impetus for 1235 01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:42,150 writing this? Because Oprah had backed out of the Russell 1236 01:17:42,150 --> 01:17:45,750 Simmons documentary, guys, I feel like it was a month ago. 1237 01:17:46,470 --> 01:17:50,190 But this weekend, you decided you you just had to get this 1238 01:17:50,190 --> 01:17:50,460 out? 1239 01:17:50,489 --> 01:17:55,949 Well, because I had just seen the interview that she did. When 1240 01:17:55,949 --> 01:17:59,069 she was asked the question, in reference to Russell and I had 1241 01:17:59,069 --> 01:18:03,749 seen the interview that he did when it came to Harvey. So it 1242 01:18:03,749 --> 01:18:08,099 was fresh, because I had just seen it. And when you use words 1243 01:18:08,099 --> 01:18:10,229 like what was the word critic 1244 01:18:10,230 --> 01:18:13,080 criticizing, criticizing, criticizing? 1245 01:18:14,010 --> 01:18:18,330 Well, if you read it, I don't know if it's been critical. More 1246 01:18:18,330 --> 01:18:20,040 so than asking Oprah question, 1247 01:18:20,070 --> 01:18:21,870 what's the central question? 1248 01:18:22,020 --> 01:18:26,760 Why is there such a difference? Why is there different words 1249 01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:30,900 used and a different fight head? When it seems like the color of 1250 01:18:30,900 --> 01:18:35,910 the skin makes you look for the clouds in the light the silver 1251 01:18:35,910 --> 01:18:39,660 lining? And when it comes to a black man, I believe these 1252 01:18:39,660 --> 01:18:42,600 women, well, how come? Why is it different? 1253 01:18:45,900 --> 01:18:49,410 Let's say mate, well, no. Why is it different? This is a good 1254 01:18:49,410 --> 01:18:53,130 question. It's a very depends if that man can do something for 1255 01:18:53,130 --> 01:18:54,300 her. I guess. 1256 01:18:55,740 --> 01:19:01,980 That and then another question I want to lay on top of Monique's 1257 01:19:01,980 --> 01:19:06,690 question is, why is the liberal media not jumping? You care so 1258 01:19:06,690 --> 01:19:11,880 much about people of color colored people? Why are you not 1259 01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:18,570 calling Oprah out as protectors of this power structure? But 1260 01:19:18,570 --> 01:19:22,050 they won't do it. But I'll give you an example of how they'll do 1261 01:19:22,890 --> 01:19:26,370 a blackmail that they like to call out. This is from the Young 1262 01:19:26,370 --> 01:19:30,240 Turks sports. And one of your favorites are Mr. Jason 1263 01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:31,500 Whitlock. Ooh, 1264 01:19:31,500 --> 01:19:37,140 okay. Kobe Bryant, the most fraudulent superstar celebrity 1265 01:19:37,140 --> 01:19:40,710 athlete we have ever seen because of his unique 1266 01:19:40,740 --> 01:19:44,670 upbringing. He chose to be a knockoff rather than an 1267 01:19:44,670 --> 01:19:48,300 original. I've been criticizing Kobe for a long time Chanel 1268 01:19:48,330 --> 01:19:51,630 knockoff bag or whatever. That's when Kobe is to Georgia. Why 1269 01:19:51,630 --> 01:19:55,500 does he have to have two jerseys? I thought it was on 1270 01:19:55,500 --> 01:19:58,740 brand for Kobe. He's a bit of a narcissist. I would love for a 1271 01:19:58,740 --> 01:20:03,300 documentary to be done. On Kobe, slimmer the kind of way OJ 1272 01:20:03,300 --> 01:20:07,320 Simpson was examined and what he said about race, he spent 20 1273 01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:11,400 years in the NBA, and never figured it out. It's a team game 1274 01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:15,330 and it's about the pleasure of everyone. I compare Kobe's death 1275 01:20:15,330 --> 01:20:18,780 and stick with me here to Pat Tillman's death. 1276 01:20:18,779 --> 01:20:21,689 Let's nip this in the bud. Jason Whitlock is a sellout he says 1277 01:20:21,689 --> 01:20:25,559 trustworthy as a $3 bill as much credibility as Jared Kushner on 1278 01:20:25,559 --> 01:20:29,219 foreign affairs as authentic as his newly formed hairline. He's 1279 01:20:29,219 --> 01:20:30,209 a well paid actor. 1280 01:20:30,239 --> 01:20:33,329 I think he's going to go down in history as the smartest 1281 01:20:33,329 --> 01:20:35,579 basketball player we've ever seen. So when he 1282 01:20:35,580 --> 01:20:39,180 says this attempting to mop up his entire career being built by 1283 01:20:39,180 --> 01:20:42,720 shitting on the black athletes, they focused on his history, not 1284 01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:43,680 his fake sympathy. 1285 01:20:45,420 --> 01:20:49,680 Well, that's, I mean, the way this report was put together, I 1286 01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:53,760 feel I don't feel so good about Jason Whitlock right now. 1287 01:20:54,510 --> 01:20:58,620 Well, Jason Whitlock, I will say this, most of his critiques are 1288 01:20:58,620 --> 01:21:03,510 were about basketball. Toby's basketball. Yeah. And it was 1289 01:21:04,860 --> 01:21:10,440 commonly accepted that Kobe was toxic on the basketball floor 1290 01:21:10,470 --> 01:21:12,360 didn't pass. No, that's that's the big thing. 1291 01:21:13,860 --> 01:21:16,740 Nobody wanted to play with him. That was the narrative, you 1292 01:21:16,740 --> 01:21:20,790 know, no, la out had all this money and they couldn't keep 1293 01:21:20,790 --> 01:21:23,970 players to come play with him. Because he was such an intense 1294 01:21:23,970 --> 01:21:26,940 person. You know, it was like, we're gonna do it. We're gonna 1295 01:21:26,940 --> 01:21:29,970 do it my way that I mean, that's what the mamba mentality was, it 1296 01:21:29,970 --> 01:21:33,450 was just, we're going to work 110% And if you can't get on 1297 01:21:33,450 --> 01:21:36,240 board, that he will basically run you out of town and break 1298 01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:43,260 you. So Jason Whitlock critiques heard here. And if Clint were 1299 01:21:43,260 --> 01:21:48,540 fair, the one I didn't really care for was he got into Cobis 1300 01:21:48,540 --> 01:21:52,170 personal relationship with his wife. Right. Right. That that 1301 01:21:52,170 --> 01:21:54,750 kind of took some of the luster off of Jason Whitlock as well 1302 01:21:54,750 --> 01:21:58,020 for me, because that's outside the bounds. I mean, you don't 1303 01:21:58,050 --> 01:22:04,200 get into people's but I will say this. Every sports major sports 1304 01:22:04,260 --> 01:22:12,510 icon. They form this love hate relationship with a major 1305 01:22:12,510 --> 01:22:18,690 athlete. This is how they come up. Skip Bayless he has it with 1306 01:22:18,690 --> 01:22:23,550 LeBron. Stephen A Smith. I've had it with Kevin Durant. I'm 1307 01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:26,550 like yeah, you got it. Got it. That's how you use it. You write 1308 01:22:26,580 --> 01:22:30,420 read? Write a bad about the guy. You hate the guy. 1309 01:22:30,450 --> 01:22:33,210 You said it. That's how you come up. Yeah, it's no different than 1310 01:22:33,210 --> 01:22:33,720 music. 1311 01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:39,690 Yeah, but my question is this guy says, Jason Whitlock. The 1312 01:22:39,690 --> 01:22:43,530 brain not in the black athlete. So Young Turks. Where's your 1313 01:22:43,530 --> 01:22:46,950 article on Oprah? Where's where's your where's your clips 1314 01:22:46,950 --> 01:22:52,050 are Oprah she's talking about bringing them down. Yeah. Like 1315 01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:56,670 in life, not just sports. And then this guy, we use a weird 1316 01:22:56,670 --> 01:23:03,630 term like he's a sellout. It's like I told you these liberal 1317 01:23:03,630 --> 01:23:08,760 white people somehow get a pass to use these terms. I brought up 1318 01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:14,340 before a coon yay. Yeah. You heard him say sell out. They use 1319 01:23:14,340 --> 01:23:15,390 other terms. 1320 01:23:15,480 --> 01:23:19,710 Where do you sell out considered to be the ratio? 1321 01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:24,330 No racial will you use in terms of saying he's bringing down 1322 01:23:24,330 --> 01:23:27,300 black athletes and him being a black guy? That's I mean, 1323 01:23:27,300 --> 01:23:31,440 because you could be a sellout in the music industry, because 1324 01:23:31,440 --> 01:23:36,510 you came in as an indie star and you sold out and became a pop 1325 01:23:36,510 --> 01:23:43,590 star. I mean, so the word the term sell out in itself is not a 1326 01:23:43,590 --> 01:23:47,280 loaded term is how you use it. So he was basically saying he 1327 01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:50,190 the sell out because he's black and he wants to take down black 1328 01:23:50,220 --> 01:23:55,770 athlete so where's your clips on call it Oprah sell sell out, but 1329 01:23:55,770 --> 01:23:58,770 nobody would do it? Well, no, I just wanted to show 1330 01:23:58,770 --> 01:24:04,650 powerful sports figures. sports figures are also more fair game 1331 01:24:04,860 --> 01:24:09,420 for commentary. That's the whole the whole television game is 1332 01:24:09,420 --> 01:24:13,200 commentary about about the players and about how they 1333 01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:16,800 played etcetera. Oprah is just not to be criticized if you want 1334 01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:17,790 to work in media. 1335 01:24:18,989 --> 01:24:24,239 Well, yeah, bikinis on a one minute. Tangent. Look at how 1336 01:24:24,239 --> 01:24:28,679 they did Terry Crews. When he was oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, 1337 01:24:28,769 --> 01:24:32,579 it all he's a hero. You know, Terry woohoo. Yeah, Terry got 1338 01:24:32,579 --> 01:24:36,569 grope. But when he came outside, I didn't see anybody being 1339 01:24:36,569 --> 01:24:43,079 racist to Gabrielle Union. Yeah. It's not a sport. It's not just 1340 01:24:43,079 --> 01:24:50,129 horse, but I got grace. So what I did was I went and to one of 1341 01:24:50,159 --> 01:24:53,279 my new favorite sources. I really didn't listen too much. 1342 01:24:53,279 --> 01:24:56,639 But the more I listen to she has a very interesting show. Miss 1343 01:24:56,639 --> 01:25:01,469 Karen Hunter, and she's with Mr. Lamar King is no relation to 1344 01:25:01,469 --> 01:25:05,669 kill King? I don't believe so. And they discussed this new 1345 01:25:05,669 --> 01:25:07,319 cross the line, but you're 1346 01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:09,270 we coming to get you that that could have been he could he 1347 01:25:09,270 --> 01:25:13,470 could say Black Twitter or US Nah, you know what I mean? Like 1348 01:25:13,470 --> 01:25:14,550 I'm sending nobody to the 1349 01:25:14,550 --> 01:25:18,630 crib. No, I mean, here's another thing that they've if 50 1350 01:25:18,630 --> 01:25:21,990 something year old grandfather having wearing his daughter's 1351 01:25:21,990 --> 01:25:25,800 scarf wearing snow. If we're being honest, I don't think he 1352 01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:28,980 was threatening her life when I'm saying somebody could say a 1353 01:25:28,980 --> 01:25:30,030 lot of stupid people out 1354 01:25:30,030 --> 01:25:33,480 of kids out here too. So with that, I feel like they could 1355 01:25:33,480 --> 01:25:38,430 have pivoted her on Oprah and really thrown it back and be 1356 01:25:38,430 --> 01:25:41,460 like, Oh my god, Snoop just threaten my life and turn it 1357 01:25:41,460 --> 01:25:43,050 back on Snoop and make Snoop look like the 1358 01:25:43,050 --> 01:25:45,750 villain. They don't have to cache. Like they could have 1359 01:25:45,750 --> 01:25:50,070 attacked you why they'd been white men for too long. And as 1360 01:25:50,070 --> 01:25:54,420 it relates to black people, for them to turn it on to snoop what 1361 01:25:54,420 --> 01:25:56,430 require black people to be on your side 1362 01:25:56,460 --> 01:25:58,230 here, but we don't even play with redstone 1363 01:25:58,260 --> 01:26:01,080 we don't play with drives. But what I've heard her say like 1364 01:26:01,110 --> 01:26:04,440 that would require people to go after Snoop and say that was 1365 01:26:04,440 --> 01:26:06,960 wrong. Shut that down. Bah, bah, bah, bah, bah. And I'm saying I 1366 01:26:07,170 --> 01:26:10,560 guarantee you that would have been possible. They offered Gail 1367 01:26:10,590 --> 01:26:13,470 Yeah, they make the right phone calls and somebody's like a 1368 01:26:13,470 --> 01:26:16,140 snoop. You know what you my man and all, but that was too much 1369 01:26:16,140 --> 01:26:18,150 fan. You know what I'm saying and saying that? 1370 01:26:21,180 --> 01:26:26,970 Yeah. That clips are you what you want to? You want to discuss 1371 01:26:26,970 --> 01:26:28,830 what you can tell you what you took away from that? 1372 01:26:30,390 --> 01:26:33,210 No, you go ahead because I just want 1373 01:26:33,210 --> 01:26:36,930 to process she basically called Oprah Gail white men. Well, 1374 01:26:36,930 --> 01:26:45,750 yeah. In full disclosure, Karen Hunter is a black woman, too. 1375 01:26:45,750 --> 01:26:51,510 She said that. If the people aren't with you, you know, they 1376 01:26:51,510 --> 01:26:54,120 couldn't do anything. You know, they couldn't really turn this 1377 01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:57,390 around. But this guy Lamont King was spot on because he was like, 1378 01:26:57,390 --> 01:27:01,980 you can make the right phone calls. Yeah. And people will 1379 01:27:01,980 --> 01:27:06,630 show you made the back off. And the funny thing is one of my 1380 01:27:06,630 --> 01:27:10,500 good friends, we discussed these things and may have had the same 1381 01:27:10,500 --> 01:27:13,710 conversation before you know, this whole thing. While it was 1382 01:27:13,710 --> 01:27:18,720 going on real time. It was like, Snoop, he's stepping awesome. 1383 01:27:19,050 --> 01:27:22,500 Some of the wrong toes. If you want to be working in this town. 1384 01:27:22,530 --> 01:27:26,430 Yeah. If you want to work if you want to lay have a vow of 1385 01:27:26,430 --> 01:27:29,940 poverty. Yeah, you can. You can go after these people. But 1386 01:27:30,090 --> 01:27:32,910 I'm seeing the Snoop Dogg podcast on the horizon. 1387 01:27:33,930 --> 01:27:42,000 But I mean, I'm sure has a what's their name of the one he 1388 01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:48,060 does the shows with? Her name slips my mind. Yes, no one Snoop 1389 01:27:48,060 --> 01:27:53,280 does the show with I don't know what Stewart Martha Stewart Oh, 1390 01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:57,570 sure. I'm sure opera has Martha Stewart's number and I am or 1391 01:27:57,570 --> 01:28:01,260 whoever does the game shows it snoops around the stoop is all 1392 01:28:01,260 --> 01:28:01,440 she 1393 01:28:01,440 --> 01:28:04,290 is incredible. She has incredible power in the 1394 01:28:04,290 --> 01:28:08,250 television business. So anything he's doing in television, and I 1395 01:28:08,250 --> 01:28:11,520 would argue in Hollywood, although her main phone call is, 1396 01:28:11,580 --> 01:28:15,360 you know, is in court right now. Because she if you. I mean, if 1397 01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:18,180 you could call Harvey Weinstein and say, hey, you know, problem 1398 01:28:18,180 --> 01:28:21,750 with this guy. It was over. That's now hopefully change. But 1399 01:28:21,930 --> 01:28:24,450 in television for sure. Oprah can call on. 1400 01:28:25,740 --> 01:28:28,260 Ted Turner is another one because he had a show on TBS, 1401 01:28:28,500 --> 01:28:30,870 I'm sure I'm sure Oprah has all these people's numbers. And 1402 01:28:30,870 --> 01:28:31,560 like, you know, 1403 01:28:31,620 --> 01:28:35,490 well, sadly, sadly, Ted Turner has Alzheimer's and he's a plant 1404 01:28:35,490 --> 01:28:39,330 now. So that's not a call I want to make. Yeah. Okay. But your 1405 01:28:39,330 --> 01:28:39,660 point is, 1406 01:28:39,659 --> 01:28:42,989 oh, yeah, I mean, it's people that they can call, they just 1407 01:28:42,989 --> 01:28:45,119 didn't know who they could call at the time they were having 1408 01:28:45,119 --> 01:28:48,929 this discussion? Well, let's continue to listen to did they 1409 01:28:48,929 --> 01:28:50,549 cross the crossing line? 1410 01:28:50,820 --> 01:28:54,060 You know what I'm saying? And saying that, I could see Luke 1411 01:28:54,060 --> 01:28:58,380 saying that because No, not black. Twitter is not saying it. 1412 01:28:59,070 --> 01:29:01,080 If you call the right person, they I gotta think about I gotta 1413 01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:03,330 think about it. Okay, you can call the right person. I don't 1414 01:29:03,330 --> 01:29:07,650 think somebody's senior to snow, who's maybe 55 Instead of 1415 01:29:07,650 --> 01:29:11,610 fitting for who? You gotta let me think I'm gonna give you they 1416 01:29:11,610 --> 01:29:13,500 could have did that. They could have thrown it back and then 1417 01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:17,580 fade it back into the shadows. No, because that's not right. 1418 01:29:17,700 --> 01:29:20,700 With the climate and the temperature. People were like, 1419 01:29:20,700 --> 01:29:24,090 good. You understand? Have you been watching the comments, get 1420 01:29:24,090 --> 01:29:27,270 it? So them saying I can't believe you throughout my life. 1421 01:29:27,450 --> 01:29:30,990 And oh, this is terrible. You see, you know, and try to play 1422 01:29:30,990 --> 01:29:34,800 that role with where they sit, as I'm saying, and I'm not being 1423 01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:38,760 disrespectful. They have not been, you can show up to black 1424 01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:42,270 things. But to be in the community. You can show up to 1425 01:29:42,270 --> 01:29:45,690 Westside high and give money. You can be in different places 1426 01:29:45,690 --> 01:29:48,930 and donate money, but they have not been black people for a long 1427 01:29:48,930 --> 01:29:51,990 time. So because of the level of wealth and how they move. 1428 01:29:53,640 --> 01:29:54,810 So the non black people 1429 01:29:56,460 --> 01:29:59,970 know, fantastic. That's about it. 1430 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,780 I'm more black than them dammit. I can see it now clearly. 1431 01:30:05,279 --> 01:30:07,559 So yeah, they're passing so is there 1432 01:30:08,429 --> 01:30:12,899 this Karen? What's her name? Karen. Hunter Hunter where she 1433 01:30:12,899 --> 01:30:15,059 where can I want to listen to this show where she on? 1434 01:30:15,419 --> 01:30:19,529 She's on the satellite radio. 1435 01:30:20,069 --> 01:30:21,779 Oh, Sirius Sirius XM? Yes. 1436 01:30:21,779 --> 01:30:24,899 You're serious. Yeah, you will find her on YouTube as well. Oh, 1437 01:30:24,930 --> 01:30:27,000 it sounds fun to listen to. Alright, cool. 1438 01:30:27,210 --> 01:30:30,210 She does have a very interesting show. And she makes some very 1439 01:30:30,210 --> 01:30:34,050 interesting points, but I think she was a little awfulness. 1440 01:30:34,050 --> 01:30:39,300 Akashi underestimate the power of one sympathy, because exactly 1441 01:30:39,300 --> 01:30:42,270 what Gayle King, Oprah did. I mean, we covered that already in 1442 01:30:42,270 --> 01:30:45,450 the clips that they paid the he's threatening me roll, you 1443 01:30:45,450 --> 01:30:48,930 know, he says, come to get me my death threat. Yeah, but I want 1444 01:30:48,930 --> 01:30:55,170 to point out and earlier clips about the previous reporter. 1445 01:30:55,590 --> 01:30:59,700 They got the same death threat. So you can't put this on snoop. 1446 01:30:59,940 --> 01:31:05,310 Right. Yeah, I mean, what you it's not equivalent to say yeah. 1447 01:31:05,310 --> 01:31:08,940 Oh, Snoop said this are now getting death threats. No. Snoop 1448 01:31:08,940 --> 01:31:12,000 didn't say anything about the lady from the Washington Post. 1449 01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:14,940 But she got death threats, because she came against trying 1450 01:31:14,940 --> 01:31:18,540 to ask me her Cobis image, right. So I think that's not a 1451 01:31:18,540 --> 01:31:22,260 fair, no one to one correlation and say, What Snoop said, I'm 1452 01:31:22,260 --> 01:31:27,870 getting death threats. But let's let Karen and I'll finish up why 1453 01:31:27,870 --> 01:31:28,110 people 1454 01:31:28,109 --> 01:31:30,689 don't treat them like black kids. So you could use that as 1455 01:31:30,689 --> 01:31:33,419 all I'm saying, you make that right phone call to a person. I 1456 01:31:33,419 --> 01:31:34,379 don't even know their name. 1457 01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:38,100 As a white person, I'd like to hear the beginning over again. 1458 01:31:38,220 --> 01:31:39,750 Why people don't treat them like black 1459 01:31:39,750 --> 01:31:40,500 keys. So you. 1460 01:31:43,529 --> 01:31:46,379 That's right. That's nice. could 1461 01:31:46,379 --> 01:31:49,169 use that as all I'm saying. You make that right phone call to a 1462 01:31:49,169 --> 01:31:51,809 person. I don't even know their name. And that person is calling 1463 01:31:51,809 --> 01:31:53,939 us news. like, Yo, you don't want to mess with your money 1464 01:31:53,939 --> 01:31:58,139 champ. They can't mess with his money channel. It's always 1465 01:31:58,139 --> 01:32:02,039 somebody, somebody just No Pass agency. Everybody does. 1466 01:32:03,059 --> 01:32:05,309 Everybody does. mocks No 1467 01:32:05,310 --> 01:32:08,190 Pass agency. He said when he said there's nothing you can do 1468 01:32:08,190 --> 01:32:11,430 about it. You take away the Martha Stewart. You're gonna get 1469 01:32:11,430 --> 01:32:14,340 money because black people are gonna support Snoop Dogg no 1470 01:32:14,340 --> 01:32:16,050 matter what. And even though I agree, 1471 01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:18,570 but you're saying he's bigger than doing an apology tour? Yes. 1472 01:32:18,570 --> 01:32:20,490 When they come get you they come in to get 1473 01:32:20,490 --> 01:32:26,490 you know. Ah, Oh, interesting. Wrong. Yeah, exactly. 1474 01:32:26,729 --> 01:32:31,289 Exactly. I think Kara Horner I think she knows better. She 1475 01:32:31,289 --> 01:32:43,649 knows better. But in Black Media, this situation for the 1476 01:32:43,679 --> 01:32:48,359 people and Black Media was very sensitive. Because the people 1477 01:32:48,749 --> 01:32:49,559 were with Snoop. 1478 01:32:49,830 --> 01:32:54,810 Yeah. But the media the media. Is Oprah 1479 01:32:55,890 --> 01:32:57,540 talented. 10th and the you know, 1480 01:32:57,960 --> 01:33:01,380 you got to be because Oprah could def shit. I could call one 1481 01:33:01,380 --> 01:33:04,950 person at serious and get this get I could get Karen off there. 1482 01:33:05,370 --> 01:33:08,700 If I really want one person i It's one call. But I could do 1483 01:33:08,700 --> 01:33:13,410 that. I mean, Oprah Imagine, imagine. Oh, no. Of course you 1484 01:33:13,410 --> 01:33:14,790 got to be thinking about that. 1485 01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:19,200 Though. She gave snoop. She knows Snoop was not more 1486 01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:24,660 powerful than Oprah. Oprah could easily shut down. Shut down 1487 01:33:24,660 --> 01:33:28,410 Snoop, but she was playing to her audience. She's like, you 1488 01:33:28,410 --> 01:33:31,560 know, I'm on Snoop side. I want to you know, Sue can't be taken. 1489 01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:36,210 Come on, knock it off. Right now. Nobody's above. And that's 1490 01:33:36,210 --> 01:33:39,690 the thing about when you become a billionaire. That's a whole 1491 01:33:39,690 --> 01:33:44,220 different that she was making the point. She was making two 1492 01:33:44,220 --> 01:33:48,000 points at once. But she was saying one that they haven't 1493 01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:50,640 been black people for a long time because of the money and 1494 01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:54,900 the influence they have. But then Snoop has more power to 1495 01:33:54,900 --> 01:33:55,830 overnight. Yeah, 1496 01:33:55,830 --> 01:34:00,300 no way. Yeah, I don't think Barack Obama had a party at at 1497 01:34:00,300 --> 01:34:05,190 snoops house to raise money for his campaign in 2012. I don't 1498 01:34:05,190 --> 01:34:05,820 think so. 1499 01:34:06,149 --> 01:34:14,159 Exactly. So Oprah comes out. And she plays the sympathy card as 1500 01:34:14,159 --> 01:34:16,109 long as La maki alluded to. 1501 01:34:17,159 --> 01:34:20,339 I think the last 24 hours for your best friend had been pretty 1502 01:34:20,339 --> 01:34:23,639 difficult after that interview with Lisa Leslie about Kobe. And 1503 01:34:23,639 --> 01:34:25,979 I just wondered just how she's doing 1504 01:34:26,010 --> 01:34:30,660 and it's not doing well. May I say she is not she is not doing 1505 01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:35,640 well, because she has now death threats and has to now travel 1506 01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:41,280 with security. And she's feeling very much attacked. You know, 1507 01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:49,890 Bill Cosby is texting from is tweeting from jail. And she's 1508 01:34:49,890 --> 01:34:53,850 not she's not doing well and feels that she was put in a 1509 01:34:53,850 --> 01:34:58,380 really terrible position because that interview had already ran 1510 01:34:58,530 --> 01:35:03,510 was over and in the car Text of the interview, everyone seemed 1511 01:35:03,510 --> 01:35:09,420 fine, including Lisa Leslie. And it was only because somebody at 1512 01:35:09,420 --> 01:35:14,610 the network, put up that clip. And that and I can see how 1513 01:35:14,610 --> 01:35:18,330 people would obviously be very upset if you thought that Gail 1514 01:35:18,330 --> 01:35:22,140 was just trying to press to get, you know an answer from Lisa 1515 01:35:22,140 --> 01:35:22,590 Leslie. 1516 01:35:22,950 --> 01:35:25,560 So she propagates the lie because again, that's not what 1517 01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:29,460 it was about. It was about the URIs friend, you wouldn't really 1518 01:35:29,460 --> 01:35:30,150 know anyway. 1519 01:35:30,629 --> 01:35:32,969 Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't about the question. I mean, she just 1520 01:35:32,969 --> 01:35:34,199 asked that one question. You 1521 01:35:34,200 --> 01:35:38,760 know what, they fooled me mo. They had me fooled. They had me 1522 01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:42,840 fooled. I was. But now again, I did not dive in. This was not my 1523 01:35:42,840 --> 01:35:45,420 topic to do. But they had me definitely. 1524 01:35:45,719 --> 01:35:48,599 And that's the whole point. I mean, what headlines is why 1525 01:35:48,599 --> 01:35:51,989 they're so powerful now that the majority of people only read the 1526 01:35:51,989 --> 01:35:57,539 headlines, and maybe the first paragraph, you know, of course, 1527 01:35:58,649 --> 01:36:01,139 mostly the headlines. I mean, when you look it up and down a 1528 01:36:01,139 --> 01:36:05,639 timeline, so they understand how it works. But what they don't 1529 01:36:05,999 --> 01:36:10,289 understand is, there's people that are spotting these trends. 1530 01:36:10,349 --> 01:36:14,339 Yeah, what the timeline is in line, and you can go back on 1531 01:36:14,339 --> 01:36:16,949 your line and say, Okay, there's a data point, there's a data 1532 01:36:16,949 --> 01:36:21,389 point, there's a data point, and you start formulating these, you 1533 01:36:21,389 --> 01:36:25,169 know, these ideas that Oh, I see how you do things different, 1534 01:36:25,469 --> 01:36:27,989 depending on who's involved. What did what 1535 01:36:27,990 --> 01:36:29,790 did Bill Cosby tweet? 1536 01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:32,970 I am not even sure I 1537 01:36:36,300 --> 01:36:37,680 have a Twitter in jail. 1538 01:36:38,130 --> 01:36:40,500 It's another question was going blind. So I mean, 1539 01:36:42,090 --> 01:36:46,890 it's right. Can't walk is blind. And yet dude are in jail. I 1540 01:36:46,890 --> 01:36:47,670 don't know. I have 1541 01:36:48,689 --> 01:36:52,019 to throw his name in there. We really build and do them any 1542 01:36:52,949 --> 01:36:57,059 service because when you link Snoop Dogg's name to Bill Cosby, 1543 01:36:57,359 --> 01:37:02,609 now, you know, always you're guilty by association. Of 1544 01:37:02,609 --> 01:37:06,809 course, that's what that's what that's a tool. All right. So you 1545 01:37:06,809 --> 01:37:09,419 had that was just let people know who was on the interview 1546 01:37:09,419 --> 01:37:11,729 that was older I think is her name outta. 1547 01:37:16,979 --> 01:37:23,699 hodor hodor hodor and Bush lady. She's granddaughter I believe. 1548 01:37:24,630 --> 01:37:30,660 Yeah, I guess. I don't know. I'm watching Fox News with your 1549 01:37:30,660 --> 01:37:35,190 wife. I have no idea what what's going? It's Hoda. Yeah. 1550 01:37:35,999 --> 01:37:39,239 So if you listen to him, and Oh, no. 1551 01:37:41,550 --> 01:37:43,920 That's not the show where they drink in the morning. Isn't it 1552 01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:44,580 that show? 1553 01:37:45,180 --> 01:37:48,900 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they made they made a 1554 01:37:48,900 --> 01:37:50,580 turn. Oh, yeah. 1555 01:37:51,210 --> 01:38:00,420 So I'm, in this next clip, I'm gonna give you a task. Okay, 1556 01:38:00,450 --> 01:38:04,380 I'll make the talking point was laid out in this next clip, but 1557 01:38:04,380 --> 01:38:04,860 Oprah, 1558 01:38:05,670 --> 01:38:12,810 she, she obviously all things pass. She will be okay. But she 1559 01:38:12,810 --> 01:38:15,450 hasn't slept about two days. What do you think about all that 1560 01:38:15,450 --> 01:38:19,470 criticism? I think the vitriol is I think anybody can criticize 1561 01:38:19,500 --> 01:38:24,810 anything, but the misogynist vitriol and the attacking to the 1562 01:38:24,810 --> 01:38:28,620 point where it is dangerous to be in the streets alone, because 1563 01:38:28,740 --> 01:38:32,040 it's not just the people who are attacking. It's the other people 1564 01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:35,970 who take that message and feel like they can do whatever they 1565 01:38:35,970 --> 01:38:37,530 want to because of it. You know, 1566 01:38:37,559 --> 01:38:40,619 you have built this community. That's what you're doing with 1567 01:38:40,619 --> 01:38:44,039 this tour. That's what you do with your friends. We have best 1568 01:38:44,039 --> 01:38:46,739 friends we were talking about this last night that if one of 1569 01:38:46,739 --> 01:38:49,379 our friends was going through this, it's you. 1570 01:38:49,470 --> 01:38:53,130 There's a difference between you and what do you do? You support 1571 01:38:53,130 --> 01:38:56,070 them and you know, I was on the phone with her this morning. I 1572 01:38:56,070 --> 01:38:57,960 was on the phone with her last night I was on the phone with 1573 01:38:57,960 --> 01:39:02,160 her the night before I think you you stand in the gap. You try to 1574 01:39:02,160 --> 01:39:06,120 be there for your friends. But it's this is very hard because 1575 01:39:06,330 --> 01:39:10,950 when you have social media and the force of social media, and 1576 01:39:10,950 --> 01:39:15,300 particularly people who didn't see either interview making 1577 01:39:15,300 --> 01:39:18,720 attacks, and I think everybody has a right to have their 1578 01:39:18,840 --> 01:39:23,130 opinion, but to do it with such vitriol is hate and meanness. 1579 01:39:24,660 --> 01:39:26,280 Well, I heard misogynist in there. 1580 01:39:27,180 --> 01:39:29,340 Yeah. misogynist. vitriol? 1581 01:39:29,370 --> 01:39:37,110 Yes. Yeah. Did I win? I get a car, a car and you get a car. 1582 01:39:37,110 --> 01:39:40,890 Yes. misogynist vitriol? Exactly. It was right away. They 1583 01:39:40,890 --> 01:39:43,980 went to us because she's a woman now it's because what she said 1584 01:39:44,100 --> 01:39:45,930 what she did it wasn't because she's a woman. 1585 01:39:47,189 --> 01:39:49,319 And but but 1586 01:39:50,220 --> 01:39:54,330 but what she probably was referring to or how people may 1587 01:39:54,330 --> 01:39:59,100 have received that is when you say dog had bitch that's, that 1588 01:39:59,100 --> 01:40:00,540 would be seen as massage. gymnast. 1589 01:40:01,170 --> 01:40:04,170 That was the that was what she was talking about. But that was 1590 01:40:04,200 --> 01:40:10,290 that's what made it a man versus woman thing. Yeah, even though 1591 01:40:10,290 --> 01:40:15,510 we just heard Monique come at the Oprah for this and then we 1592 01:40:15,510 --> 01:40:20,640 are early in the clips that what was her name? Lindsay Granger. 1593 01:40:20,670 --> 01:40:26,130 She went after people trying to railroad Cobis legacy. So this 1594 01:40:26,130 --> 01:40:29,610 is not a man versus woman thing. But that's what that's the way 1595 01:40:29,610 --> 01:40:32,130 they want it to. That's how they're selling. Yeah, sure. 1596 01:40:32,310 --> 01:40:37,140 That's, that was a spin. Yeah. And et was complicit in this 1597 01:40:37,140 --> 01:40:37,590 because 1598 01:40:39,149 --> 01:40:41,129 she, what a surprise. 1599 01:40:41,910 --> 01:40:47,100 Right. So we have everybody, you know, on, on on message point. 1600 01:40:47,670 --> 01:40:48,420 We're rolling. 1601 01:40:49,200 --> 01:40:53,070 So everybody's on message. So one of the people this message 1602 01:40:53,100 --> 01:40:56,340 is none other than one of the Boulais. Members, Mr. Roland 1603 01:40:56,340 --> 01:41:00,390 Martin. We've talked about him before on the show. 1604 01:41:00,420 --> 01:41:04,320 He's uh, what's his background again? What is it because I see 1605 01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:07,290 him all the time. What is the deal with Roland Martin? What is 1606 01:41:07,290 --> 01:41:09,060 he what they're saying? 1607 01:41:09,090 --> 01:41:11,100 He's a card carrying member of the Boulais 1608 01:41:12,330 --> 01:41:15,210 he's even got that phony as Kravets. You know, it doesn't 1609 01:41:15,210 --> 01:41:18,300 wear tie. I've got to wear this silk thing in my shirt. 1610 01:41:18,750 --> 01:41:22,920 Yeah. What's it called? Ascot basket? 1611 01:41:23,279 --> 01:41:27,269 Yes, I called Kravets. But yes and ask him exactly, exactly. 1612 01:41:27,269 --> 01:41:28,229 But yeah, he. 1613 01:41:30,029 --> 01:41:32,039 That guy's hilarious. So oh, 1614 01:41:32,040 --> 01:41:35,880 he's also he was on the Tom Joyner show for years. Yes, he 1615 01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:38,310 was. Yeah. Okay. I got you. 1616 01:41:38,940 --> 01:41:40,860 I said he was a card 1617 01:41:40,859 --> 01:41:42,179 carrying member. You're right. 1618 01:41:42,810 --> 01:41:47,790 Remember? So he's confused about this whole situation. And you 1619 01:41:47,790 --> 01:41:50,190 can hear it and controversy one. 1620 01:41:50,490 --> 01:41:54,360 Please explain to me Lauren, how in the hell? Gayle King verse. 1621 01:41:54,360 --> 01:41:58,500 Snoop is a 21st century of the East east coast, west coast. 1622 01:41:58,740 --> 01:42:03,960 Rap. It's like Tupac and Biggie. I mean, this is this is and 1623 01:42:03,960 --> 01:42:07,800 people on the west side, y'all I'm like, yo, shut up. I'm 1624 01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:11,610 telling you, you know, y'all they gonna make because I'm just 1625 01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:15,030 I don't it's just it's like it's it's just 1626 01:42:15,029 --> 01:42:21,239 stupid. He's, he's confused. Like, I was going I don't know 1627 01:42:21,239 --> 01:42:24,149 what's going on here. What's going 1628 01:42:25,890 --> 01:42:33,570 on? mean, he's, he's feigning this surprises. He always, he 1629 01:42:33,570 --> 01:42:37,440 always seems so sure of himself when he's on CNN or MSNBC. 1630 01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:43,260 Exactly. But now when you put between a Rock in a Hard Place 1631 01:42:43,290 --> 01:42:46,590 of the he even said himself, people want me to choose 1632 01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:50,310 going with going with with the man of the people? Are you going 1633 01:42:50,310 --> 01:42:52,170 to go with your fellow Boulais? 1634 01:42:54,060 --> 01:42:59,040 You hear how fluster he is. In the next clip, this woman is 1635 01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:01,920 going to explain it to learn quite clearly what's going on. 1636 01:43:02,130 --> 01:43:05,490 I'll try to explain to you rolling. I think part of the 1637 01:43:05,490 --> 01:43:09,900 issue here is that there's a longer history here that I think 1638 01:43:09,900 --> 01:43:11,970 Snoop and 50 cent and a lot of these guys have been paying 1639 01:43:11,970 --> 01:43:15,600 attention to longer than maybe any of us, which is that if you 1640 01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:18,360 look at the reporting, specifically on CBS, and 1641 01:43:18,360 --> 01:43:22,560 specifically by Gayle King, and Oprah, you see that they covered 1642 01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:26,100 Bill Cosby and are Kelly, and Michael Jackson, and then 1643 01:43:26,100 --> 01:43:29,160 Russell Simmons, and then Justin Fairfax. And then Kobe Bryant, 1644 01:43:29,370 --> 01:43:31,740 they covered them in a certain way that I don't think we saw 1645 01:43:31,740 --> 01:43:34,830 coverage of with regard to frankly, with regard to white 1646 01:43:34,830 --> 01:43:37,620 males accused of sexual assault. And we're in kind of this moment 1647 01:43:37,620 --> 01:43:41,850 where allegations or conviction with sexual assault. So if 1648 01:43:41,850 --> 01:43:44,940 somebody says something, the person's life has just blown up, 1649 01:43:44,940 --> 01:43:47,520 whether you know the details of the story or not. And I think 1650 01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:50,700 that the CBS Morning Show can't be confused with 60 minutes. I 1651 01:43:50,700 --> 01:43:53,100 mean, they don't really are not investigating on the same level 1652 01:43:53,100 --> 01:43:56,490 as a frontline or 60 minutes show. So when he puts people on 1653 01:43:56,490 --> 01:43:59,730 and the thing blows up, and that person's reputation is blown up. 1654 01:43:59,880 --> 01:44:03,810 That person is of course paying a huge price. And I think the 1655 01:44:03,810 --> 01:44:06,630 fact that Gail, of course, is best friends with Oprah Winfrey, 1656 01:44:06,630 --> 01:44:09,810 who unfortunately before she turned 15, she was raped when 1657 01:44:09,810 --> 01:44:13,950 she was nine years old, and then 14, which is incredibly tragic. 1658 01:44:14,100 --> 01:44:16,860 I think the fact that she has that connection with Oprah and 1659 01:44:16,860 --> 01:44:19,890 when these things happen, they tend to get involved in it like, 1660 01:44:20,970 --> 01:44:27,420 hey, who was the woman speaking again? I like her. I like her. I 1661 01:44:27,420 --> 01:44:31,830 want to add it to my playlist. Was she not? We'll figure it 1662 01:44:31,830 --> 01:44:34,380 out. We'll figure it out. Once we figured it out. She's talking 1663 01:44:34,380 --> 01:44:35,130 some sense. 1664 01:44:36,450 --> 01:44:44,520 What she has all figured out but Robin, I don't know. Robin posed 1665 01:44:44,520 --> 01:44:49,380 to be a man of the people. You he didn't spot this trend. Oprah 1666 01:44:51,510 --> 01:44:57,690 Another one was the the Lieutenant Governor of Virginia, 1667 01:44:57,720 --> 01:45:05,280 the guy that got another another pass Yeah, you know, so he 1668 01:45:05,280 --> 01:45:08,130 doesn't he didn't get it, but she laid it out quite clearly 1669 01:45:08,130 --> 01:45:10,620 and she's gonna continuing on clip three. 1670 01:45:10,770 --> 01:45:14,970 I remember when the Michael Jackson documentary came up was 1671 01:45:14,970 --> 01:45:18,030 surviving leaving Neverland. Yeah, they did like a week on 1672 01:45:18,030 --> 01:45:21,150 that they had the Jackson family and then they had the guy that 1673 01:45:21,150 --> 01:45:23,820 did the documentary and they had, you know, they had like 1674 01:45:23,820 --> 01:45:26,520 step after step detail after detail did the same thing with 1675 01:45:26,520 --> 01:45:29,130 our Kelly. They had our Kelly's accusers, and then they had 1676 01:45:29,130 --> 01:45:33,510 another accuser. It was like, the level of attention and 1677 01:45:33,510 --> 01:45:38,070 reporting that went into that is not the same that we saw on a 1678 01:45:38,070 --> 01:45:40,200 lot of these stories involving white males who have been 1679 01:45:40,200 --> 01:45:43,590 accused, I think when people but right when people make that 1680 01:45:43,620 --> 01:45:46,590 Harvey Weinstein and many more, I'm gonna make that point and 1681 01:45:46,590 --> 01:45:49,170 making a really good point. And when you have these positions in 1682 01:45:49,170 --> 01:45:51,180 journalism that are so important, and so rare for 1683 01:45:51,180 --> 01:45:54,480 African Americans that Gayle King has, she has to be thinking 1684 01:45:54,570 --> 01:45:57,090 about how the community is represented. I know that's an 1685 01:45:57,090 --> 01:45:59,910 extra burden on black journalists that perhaps 1686 01:45:59,910 --> 01:46:03,000 shouldn't be there. But she's got to be thinking about how she 1687 01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:07,170 uses her stage. And frankly, I think the most underrepresented 1688 01:46:07,500 --> 01:46:11,040 the most underrepresented group on TV to me is black men. We 1689 01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:14,610 have a lot of black women out there a lot more than we did be 1690 01:46:14,610 --> 01:46:16,500 fine with all of that. Yeah. 1691 01:46:18,930 --> 01:46:26,070 Shut up. Now, he has all the answers where she started saying 1692 01:46:26,070 --> 01:46:28,770 that black men are underrepresented in the media, 1693 01:46:29,190 --> 01:46:33,510 and that mindset that Snoop Dogg and 50 cent and those guys came 1694 01:46:33,510 --> 01:46:36,330 with now he's I got it. I got it. 1695 01:46:37,529 --> 01:46:39,689 I thought you were confused right? 1696 01:46:40,560 --> 01:46:45,090 So now you got all the ads now he was like shut up. You got it. 1697 01:46:45,090 --> 01:46:51,870 I got you saying too much. But let's let them wrap up with a 1698 01:46:51,870 --> 01:46:52,650 clip for 1699 01:46:53,100 --> 01:46:57,930 it's gone crazy. It's gone crazy because I've seen effective that 1700 01:46:57,930 --> 01:47:00,510 Snoop pass even though I didn't agree with what he how he you 1701 01:47:00,510 --> 01:47:03,120 know what he called Gail. But the respect perspective that 50 1702 01:47:03,120 --> 01:47:05,790 cent Snoop has is not represented on TV. I mean, I'm 1703 01:47:05,790 --> 01:47:10,650 not expecting I'm not. I'm not expecting a major news outlet to 1704 01:47:10,650 --> 01:47:14,850 have to go to a bar and pick a guy. But we see the PhDs and we 1705 01:47:14,850 --> 01:47:18,060 see the you know, club bourgeois in there all the time, the 1706 01:47:18,060 --> 01:47:23,100 overeducated, top 10%, we don't see the average black male on TV 1707 01:47:23,130 --> 01:47:25,530 represented very much their views. So Gotcha. 1708 01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:29,970 But here's also heat. But let me let me caution all these 1709 01:47:29,970 --> 01:47:33,390 brothers out here who want to get high and mighty. Their 1710 01:47:33,390 --> 01:47:36,390 treatment of black women may also become under the microscope 1711 01:47:36,420 --> 01:47:39,900 by Well, it has to be a microscope is with Galen doper 1712 01:47:39,900 --> 01:47:40,530 around it. No, no, 1713 01:47:41,309 --> 01:47:46,259 no, no, no, no, no, no, what I'm saying is that if this thing is 1714 01:47:46,259 --> 01:47:49,589 going to escalate into black men versus black women, you try and 1715 01:47:49,589 --> 01:47:52,589 take somebody down. I'm simply saying, I think some people have 1716 01:47:52,589 --> 01:47:56,549 gotten to the point that they're so irrational in their response 1717 01:47:56,669 --> 01:48:00,119 that is gotten way overheated at the end of the day. I'm like, 1718 01:48:00,119 --> 01:48:01,559 Y'all, seriously? 1719 01:48:02,400 --> 01:48:07,140 The minute she mentioned like the B word. She didn't use 1720 01:48:07,140 --> 01:48:09,630 Boulais but it was clear what she was talking about. That's 1721 01:48:09,630 --> 01:48:12,390 when Roland Martin's like Okay, gotta shut this down. Now 1722 01:48:12,390 --> 01:48:17,790 listen, today. I can't talk about no more. You went you saw 1723 01:48:17,790 --> 01:48:19,110 me at the meeting? What do you see? 1724 01:48:20,729 --> 01:48:26,849 And to go back to last show, you asked me about the State of the 1725 01:48:26,849 --> 01:48:33,299 Union and Trump and how I took it and I use his term real black 1726 01:48:33,299 --> 01:48:38,579 people right? And you were like hot like real black people. And 1727 01:48:38,579 --> 01:48:43,559 I was like no not the super intellect or you know I kind of 1728 01:48:43,559 --> 01:48:47,699 laid it out like it we can't Can we just hear her say that again? 1729 01:48:47,999 --> 01:48:51,509 Like the first 30 seconds? I cuz you brought it up I want us to 1730 01:48:51,539 --> 01:48:53,729 really hear what she said. 1731 01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:56,790 What this clip the one we just played. Yes, please. Okay, 1732 01:48:57,090 --> 01:48:58,470 second of course we can do that. 1733 01:48:58,500 --> 01:48:59,970 It's gone crazy and obviously 1734 01:49:00,240 --> 01:49:04,410 it's gone crazy because I think effective that new pas even 1735 01:49:04,410 --> 01:49:06,180 though I didn't agree with what he how he you know what he 1736 01:49:06,180 --> 01:49:09,000 called Gail, but the respect perspective that 50 cents new 1737 01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:12,480 pas is not represented on TV. I mean, I'm not expecting I'm not 1738 01:49:13,410 --> 01:49:17,130 I'm not expecting a major news outlet to have to go to a bar 1739 01:49:17,130 --> 01:49:21,510 and pick a guy but we see the PhDs and we see the you know 1740 01:49:21,510 --> 01:49:25,020 club bourgeois in there all the time the overeducated, the top 1741 01:49:25,020 --> 01:49:25,830 10% 1742 01:49:26,069 --> 01:49:29,219 who keep saying great point great point Who's Who's that 1743 01:49:29,219 --> 01:49:32,699 like another guy? He's like from Is he from the food? Jeez, is 1744 01:49:32,699 --> 01:49:39,569 that the fruit cheese guy? Yeah. Yeah, okay, so yeah, her point 1745 01:49:39,569 --> 01:49:44,189 is well made I understand it like she's saying like a not not 1746 01:49:44,189 --> 01:49:48,179 the typical representation but I don't know like mo maybe. 1747 01:49:49,080 --> 01:49:53,850 Yeah, exactly. Mo we see it when we were not you know, we're not 1748 01:49:54,690 --> 01:49:57,810 when you go to Ivy League schools or whatnot but we we see 1749 01:49:57,810 --> 01:50:00,600 what's going on I mean it take a you know, a pic I need to figure 1750 01:50:00,600 --> 01:50:07,080 out that Gail and Oprah have something for black men. And in 1751 01:50:07,080 --> 01:50:10,200 a previous clip that clip three she mentioned that both of them 1752 01:50:10,200 --> 01:50:14,250 were victims of sexual assault. And you asked the question. 1753 01:50:14,250 --> 01:50:19,980 Well, I mean, I kind of glossed over by saying it's male hate 1754 01:50:20,040 --> 01:50:23,970 when I mean, maybe their hate comes from a justified place of 1755 01:50:23,970 --> 01:50:29,610 you know, this demographic that hurt me. So now I have to go out 1756 01:50:29,640 --> 01:50:33,510 you know, in be proactive in that's possible 1757 01:50:33,510 --> 01:50:38,250 it's possible for sure that and that's unresolved issues but 1758 01:50:38,550 --> 01:50:47,130 understandable to a degree but it should not matter if I mean, 1759 01:50:47,130 --> 01:50:51,150 it shouldn't matter what we what if black or white and they get 1760 01:50:51,150 --> 01:50:54,300 the let the white guys slide, I die. See the problem. Of course, 1761 01:50:54,300 --> 01:50:58,530 I I never recognized this pattern. With Oprah. I just saw 1762 01:50:58,530 --> 01:51:01,740 the individual pieces. As I said, the Michael Jackson part 1763 01:51:01,740 --> 01:51:05,850 bothered me a lot. Because she was such a proponent. And then 1764 01:51:05,850 --> 01:51:08,940 based on this flimsy documentary, she's switched it 1765 01:51:08,940 --> 01:51:12,720 up as as the woman said here, you know, a week long have 1766 01:51:12,750 --> 01:51:15,870 interviews and everything. And the same with our Kelly. But 1767 01:51:15,870 --> 01:51:18,900 nothing for the it's inconsistent and clearly 1768 01:51:18,900 --> 01:51:21,090 racially based in that case, somehow. 1769 01:51:21,930 --> 01:51:24,420 And who, who's gonna call her out? Because what we heard in 1770 01:51:24,420 --> 01:51:28,290 the TMZ, Monique clip, it was like, You can't call her Oprah. 1771 01:51:28,980 --> 01:51:30,180 You know, Snoop 1772 01:51:30,180 --> 01:51:32,940 is probably uniquely qualified to do that. 1773 01:51:35,550 --> 01:51:41,310 Yeah, but even Snoop was Yeah, well, we'll get there. So 1774 01:51:41,310 --> 01:51:48,240 another, another person wanted a super smart elite that were put 1775 01:51:48,240 --> 01:51:51,540 out to like, kind of put the fire out was one of your 1776 01:51:51,540 --> 01:51:53,340 favorites, Mr. Michael, Eric Dyson, 1777 01:51:53,430 --> 01:51:54,960 oh, no, not this guy. 1778 01:51:56,970 --> 01:51:59,430 You're gonna have legitimate critiques of Oprah Winfrey and 1779 01:51:59,430 --> 01:52:02,970 Gayle King, you can legitimately ask them, What about their 1780 01:52:03,210 --> 01:52:08,280 viewpoints about Harvey Weinstein? And Al Franken, and 1781 01:52:08,280 --> 01:52:12,120 Charlie Rose versus a Kobe Bryant, right? That's a 1782 01:52:12,120 --> 01:52:16,560 legitimate critique. What is not legitimate is to in a vicious 1783 01:52:16,620 --> 01:52:20,610 sense of assault them this canceled culture has to be ended 1784 01:52:20,700 --> 01:52:22,620 has to itself be canceled? 1785 01:52:23,700 --> 01:52:26,400 Well, that's interesting. So he says, here's, here's what you 1786 01:52:26,400 --> 01:52:28,140 could do, but let's not do it. 1787 01:52:30,029 --> 01:52:33,839 Yeah, and then the council culture, that's, that's, they've 1788 01:52:33,839 --> 01:52:39,929 made their, you know, whole second part of their career, 1789 01:52:39,959 --> 01:52:43,019 about canceled culture, calling this person now going out to 1790 01:52:43,019 --> 01:52:43,919 advertise exactly 1791 01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:46,620 what they're doing. And it's exactly what's going on here. 1792 01:52:47,850 --> 01:52:50,670 But it's the canceled culture that needs to be cancelled. And 1793 01:52:50,670 --> 01:52:53,760 I want to say something else. Michael, Eric Dyson has made 1794 01:52:54,240 --> 01:52:58,140 most of his, you know, career about writing about rappers. I 1795 01:52:58,140 --> 01:53:03,750 think he has a book on Jay Z, one on Tupac and a few others. 1796 01:53:04,530 --> 01:53:08,790 Now, you're bothered by misogyny. Now you're bothered by 1797 01:53:08,820 --> 01:53:15,330 foul language? I don't understand. So it's just that, 1798 01:53:15,510 --> 01:53:22,830 like I said, the Boulais have been exposed. They don't have 1799 01:53:22,830 --> 01:53:25,530 the power they used to they don't have the power to 1800 01:53:26,730 --> 01:53:29,730 manipulate through the media, because there's other outlets 1801 01:53:29,760 --> 01:53:36,030 like this show here and other podcasts, YouTube, YouTubers, 1802 01:53:36,030 --> 01:53:40,830 vloggers, whatever. I mean, fill in the blank, that are pointing 1803 01:53:40,830 --> 01:53:43,710 out that the counter narrative is like, no, that's not how it 1804 01:53:43,710 --> 01:53:47,190 went. This is. This is how it goes. Well, 1805 01:53:47,189 --> 01:53:49,619 believe it or not, people are getting their information in 1806 01:53:49,619 --> 01:53:54,209 their cultural fix from places other than the arena that these 1807 01:53:54,209 --> 01:53:54,989 people play in. 1808 01:53:56,550 --> 01:53:59,550 Yes. Especially with cord cutters. I mean, that's that's 1809 01:53:59,550 --> 01:54:01,590 one of the big things because you don't have to broadcast 1810 01:54:01,590 --> 01:54:02,850 network. No, it's not 1811 01:54:02,880 --> 01:54:05,850 none of our girls have cable. None of them. They come over 1812 01:54:05,850 --> 01:54:08,790 here to watch the Academy Awards. There's no cable. They 1813 01:54:08,790 --> 01:54:10,440 don't care. It's not interesting. 1814 01:54:11,250 --> 01:54:15,930 Sesame you're tailoring your information do to what you're 1815 01:54:15,930 --> 01:54:20,220 interested in. And your timeline. Yep. So CBS is not 1816 01:54:20,220 --> 01:54:24,240 going to save you if you noticed. Even opera said the 1817 01:54:24,240 --> 01:54:27,420 interview was out there. You know, it was only when it became 1818 01:54:27,420 --> 01:54:31,170 a clip. Yes. And the clip started floating around that 1819 01:54:31,170 --> 01:54:33,420 people really got upset. Nobody watches their 1820 01:54:33,450 --> 01:54:36,300 eggs. That's my point here, right? Because the television 1821 01:54:36,300 --> 01:54:39,060 interview no one will give a crap oh, wait a minute. Is there 1822 01:54:39,060 --> 01:54:42,660 something on YouTube? That's a clip there's a clip. That's when 1823 01:54:42,660 --> 01:54:44,850 people saw it. That's a very good example. In fact, that's 1824 01:54:44,850 --> 01:54:47,310 probably the one of the biggest learning moments from this. 1825 01:54:49,439 --> 01:54:54,269 So even Mr. Snoop Dogg, I mean, we heard Lamont King say who 1826 01:54:54,269 --> 01:54:58,769 could they call? Oh, well, obviously they got on the phone 1827 01:54:58,769 --> 01:55:00,899 and they got a heavy hitter touch Domino's Snoop, 1828 01:55:01,170 --> 01:55:04,320 the problem with that is, is that when you want to play 1829 01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:08,790 gangster The problem is is when the natural gangster comes in 1830 01:55:08,790 --> 01:55:14,970 the room you can roar as loud as you want Roar, roar scary to 1831 01:55:14,970 --> 01:55:20,010 friends. The problem is when an actual line comes in the room is 1832 01:55:20,010 --> 01:55:24,000 like yo, one of these things is not like the other his. Your 1833 01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:27,330 claws don't look like his claws. And that's exactly what happened 1834 01:55:27,360 --> 01:55:34,140 because apparently I had no idea. Gayle King rose deep. 1835 01:55:36,420 --> 01:55:42,690 Gayle King, Rose deep, because Susan Rice. Yes, yes. Susan 1836 01:55:42,690 --> 01:55:47,250 Rice. You heard me correct. Yes. That Susan Rice, former national 1837 01:55:47,250 --> 01:55:51,510 security adviser to the Obama administration. Yes. Susan Rice 1838 01:55:51,870 --> 01:55:56,910 hits up to dog a tweet at him talking about yo, that was mad 1839 01:55:56,910 --> 01:56:02,430 disrespectful. You need to back off, because Gail apparently has 1840 01:56:02,430 --> 01:56:06,210 an army behind her. And if you want to you want to play this 1841 01:56:06,210 --> 01:56:08,940 game. You're going to lose and it won't be pretty. 1842 01:56:12,540 --> 01:56:13,260 Wow. 1843 01:56:13,979 --> 01:56:19,439 So did you see here are her actual tweet? No. Okay, so Susan 1844 01:56:19,439 --> 01:56:22,949 Rice, her actual tweet, I'm gonna read you word for word. 1845 01:56:23,219 --> 01:56:27,149 She says this is despicable. Gayle King is one of the most 1846 01:56:27,149 --> 01:56:31,499 principled fair and top journalists alive, slew back the 1847 01:56:31,499 --> 01:56:36,809 eff off. And she spelled it out where she put for actress there. 1848 01:56:37,199 --> 01:56:41,189 They say you come for Gayle King, you come against an army. 1849 01:56:42,839 --> 01:56:45,059 You will lose and it won't be pretty. 1850 01:56:45,480 --> 01:56:48,540 That's the Blue Lace and showing their teeth. 1851 01:56:51,450 --> 01:56:55,140 You come against the army. I mean, like, that's how more of a 1852 01:56:55,140 --> 01:57:01,290 threat than what Snoop said to Gale. Army. Yeah, yeah, you will 1853 01:57:01,290 --> 01:57:07,170 lose and it won't be pretty. You see wanna say and that's what 1854 01:57:07,170 --> 01:57:10,920 Lamont King was saying. Who can we get on the phone? It got to 1855 01:57:10,920 --> 01:57:11,970 be somebody senior 1856 01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:14,640 there. Well, that was the one that certainly that's a good 1857 01:57:14,640 --> 01:57:14,970 one. 1858 01:57:16,890 --> 01:57:19,680 And the other thing is, is who she who is she speaking for? I 1859 01:57:19,680 --> 01:57:24,810 mean, we know her connections. But well, I mean, that's that's, 1860 01:57:25,260 --> 01:57:31,020 yeah. The Boulais has reared his head. And that goes to show you 1861 01:57:31,020 --> 01:57:33,780 that when you have to show that kind of power, you really don't 1862 01:57:33,780 --> 01:57:34,470 have power. 1863 01:57:35,220 --> 01:57:38,820 Not if you have to do it that way. No, I agree. Unless you're 1864 01:57:38,820 --> 01:57:40,800 Toronto, but then you do it in a funny way. 1865 01:57:41,730 --> 01:57:44,820 Yeah. And then what Snoop got the message because he came out 1866 01:57:44,820 --> 01:57:50,760 with like, I'm nonviolent. They would apologize without 1867 01:57:50,760 --> 01:57:53,730 apologize. He was I'm not. I didn't mean 1868 01:57:54,540 --> 01:57:57,990 wait a minute. Wait a minute. He backpedaled Yeah, 1869 01:57:57,990 --> 01:57:59,040 and here's the clip. 1870 01:58:01,109 --> 01:58:04,349 Is Big Snoop Dogg. Here's a message for people that need to 1871 01:58:04,349 --> 01:58:10,319 know. I'm a non violent person. When I said what I said, I spoke 1872 01:58:10,319 --> 01:58:13,349 for the people felt like Gail was very disrespectful towards 1873 01:58:13,349 --> 01:58:17,339 Kobe Bryant and his family. Now with that being said, what I 1874 01:58:17,339 --> 01:58:20,339 look like when some harm to come to a 70 year old woman I was 1875 01:58:20,339 --> 01:58:23,249 raised way better than that. I don't want no harm to come to 1876 01:58:23,249 --> 01:58:26,339 her and didn't threaten her. All I did was said, check it out. 1877 01:58:26,669 --> 01:58:29,309 You out of pocket for what you're doing. And we watching 1878 01:58:29,309 --> 01:58:33,569 you have a little bit more respect for Vanessa, our babies 1879 01:58:33,569 --> 01:58:39,689 and Kobe Bryant's legs. Yeah, but anyway, I'm gonna do what I 1880 01:58:39,689 --> 01:58:43,199 gotta keep doing. Y'all keep doing what you're doing. We're 1881 01:58:43,199 --> 01:58:46,199 very non violent. We just want to say that first and foremost. 1882 01:58:46,799 --> 01:58:52,319 We speak from the heart. Some of you who have no heart, don't 1883 01:58:52,319 --> 01:58:55,649 understand that. But anyway, carry on. And enjoy your day. 1884 01:58:57,749 --> 01:58:59,639 That's it. That's it. 1885 01:59:01,319 --> 01:59:07,049 Oh, man. All right. Well, yeah. He accentuated that. He's 1886 01:59:07,049 --> 01:59:08,309 nonviolent. Got it. 1887 01:59:10,020 --> 01:59:13,170 And the funny thing is, I never took when I heard his clip, I 1888 01:59:13,170 --> 01:59:17,550 never took it. I took it as being very disrespectful. Maybe 1889 01:59:17,550 --> 01:59:21,900 justify, but very disrespectful. But I never take advice by or 1890 01:59:21,930 --> 01:59:23,100 threatened. Well, you're 1891 01:59:23,100 --> 01:59:25,740 right. And and I think it was probably good that he that he 1892 01:59:25,740 --> 01:59:28,470 said that because you know, Oprah is the one who immediately 1893 01:59:28,470 --> 01:59:30,480 went well, it's not. You know, it's other people. They hear 1894 01:59:30,480 --> 01:59:33,870 that and they go crazy in a deathmatch. RERA. So he, he did 1895 01:59:33,870 --> 01:59:36,450 the I think the right thing to defuse wherever, whatever he 1896 01:59:36,450 --> 01:59:40,890 could, but it's fucking twittered, say Instagram. Ah, 1897 01:59:43,560 --> 01:59:45,810 it's such a breeding ground. 1898 01:59:46,740 --> 01:59:52,860 But the bigger story is it is the good and the bad, because 1899 01:59:52,860 --> 01:59:56,340 without it, the Boulais was still held. 1900 01:59:57,060 --> 01:59:59,580 Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. 1901 01:59:59,580 --> 02:00:02,460 So you have to take the good with the bad. It's like, in 1902 02:00:02,460 --> 02:00:02,730 fact, 1903 02:00:02,729 --> 02:00:05,879 I think Snoop has the upper hand on this because it's his 1904 02:00:05,879 --> 02:00:11,909 platform people, people. Instagram is his platform. And 1905 02:00:11,909 --> 02:00:14,159 they don't play. They don't play on that field. They just don't 1906 02:00:14,159 --> 02:00:14,519 play. 1907 02:00:15,450 --> 02:00:20,580 They haven't mastered it yet. And I don't think I think they 1908 02:00:20,580 --> 02:00:24,120 really let the ball get away from Yeah, with the internet and 1909 02:00:24,120 --> 02:00:30,420 social media. Because they never saw. It'll take them forever to 1910 02:00:30,420 --> 02:00:33,390 be able to get plants. And have you heard that term before? 1911 02:00:33,390 --> 02:00:38,730 Plants? Right? Sure. I'm sure I mean, but like current traders, 1912 02:00:39,270 --> 02:00:44,130 yeah. With what is often used with in the music industry now, 1913 02:00:44,190 --> 02:00:48,060 where people are really on the record label, but they make them 1914 02:00:48,060 --> 02:00:50,760 seem like indie artists, and then they grow moment and bring 1915 02:00:50,760 --> 02:00:55,290 them out. And they're like, oh, yeah, that's a no. Well, that's 1916 02:00:56,609 --> 02:00:59,489 that's what the music that's what the music business does. 1917 02:00:59,489 --> 02:01:03,419 And by the way, I think, Billy Eilish is is a very good example 1918 02:01:03,419 --> 02:01:10,049 of that. You know, that brother of hers that someone's a genius, 1919 02:01:10,049 --> 02:01:11,579 I think it's him, but he's not her. 1920 02:01:12,779 --> 02:01:16,859 Right? So I don't think the Boulais has got their legs up on 1921 02:01:16,859 --> 02:01:23,039 the new crate plants that will have the the, because 1922 02:01:23,040 --> 02:01:26,520 you can't fool the people. You can't fool people. This is a 1923 02:01:26,520 --> 02:01:31,200 different medium. You can fool people on television. I built my 1924 02:01:31,200 --> 02:01:33,720 career in fooling people. It's all dishonest. And the 1925 02:01:33,720 --> 02:01:38,700 television is inherently dishonest. And Instagram is a 1926 02:01:38,700 --> 02:01:41,730 whole new ballgame. It's it's not something you can just 1927 02:01:41,730 --> 02:01:44,940 transition say, oh, because I got a great camera. It's 1928 02:01:44,940 --> 02:01:47,310 different. None. It's a whole different way of communicating. 1929 02:01:47,310 --> 02:01:49,290 So they can't they don't understand. 1930 02:01:50,700 --> 02:01:54,450 Not yet. And let's just pray that we take them out before. 1931 02:01:55,200 --> 02:01:59,430 I'm a non violent person. I'm a non violent person. I say take 1932 02:01:59,430 --> 02:02:00,780 them out. No, no, 1933 02:02:00,779 --> 02:02:03,629 I'm starting to. I'm starting to question who's the plant here? 1934 02:02:06,179 --> 02:02:06,659 No, 1935 02:02:07,859 --> 02:02:10,409 that's a take them out. They never let Oh, you know, most 1936 02:02:10,409 --> 02:02:12,209 trying to incite violence. Yeah, no, 1937 02:02:12,210 --> 02:02:15,180 we can't have that. No, we can't have that. Yeah. No. But when I 1938 02:02:15,180 --> 02:02:15,420 mean, 1939 02:02:15,420 --> 02:02:19,770 take them out, is take them out of power. Yeah. Because they 1940 02:02:19,800 --> 02:02:25,290 what they're trying to do. And listen to the final clip. Mr. 1941 02:02:25,290 --> 02:02:28,800 Gary Owens. He's a comedian, white comedian, but he plays a 1942 02:02:28,800 --> 02:02:33,120 majority of black crowds or mixed crowds. That's how he 1943 02:02:33,120 --> 02:02:38,010 came, you know, came up in the game. He was the quote unquote, 1944 02:02:38,010 --> 02:02:42,030 white comedian in the black clubs. But he made a point. It 1945 02:02:42,030 --> 02:02:45,420 was not funny. But he highlighted a point and I was 1946 02:02:45,420 --> 02:02:51,270 like, wow, I mean, like, the way he said it was spot on 1947 02:02:51,480 --> 02:02:55,980 you. Hey, has anybody else noticed? This past week and a 1948 02:02:55,980 --> 02:03:00,720 half? What's going on in the world is shifting energy. I felt 1949 02:03:00,720 --> 02:03:04,410 it between lemon and Taysom. Since Kobe passed away between 1950 02:03:04,440 --> 02:03:11,190 Ari Shaffir and Gayle King, I just want people to realize what 1951 02:03:11,190 --> 02:03:15,960 can happen when black people really come together? Because 1952 02:03:15,960 --> 02:03:18,990 black he was like, Look, you ain't talking about Kobe, you in 1953 02:03:18,990 --> 02:03:22,680 talking about our hero. Kobe is a worldwide hero, Italian, 1954 02:03:23,250 --> 02:03:28,320 China. White, Black, Latino, definitely hero, but it's extra. 1955 02:03:29,100 --> 02:03:32,040 Because he's a black guy. So Black feels like you ain't you 1956 02:03:32,040 --> 02:03:35,460 ain't talking about our black hero. I just want people to 1957 02:03:35,460 --> 02:03:41,250 realize how powerful I will and this come from white dude. How 1958 02:03:41,250 --> 02:03:45,990 powerful black people are when they come together? 1959 02:03:47,130 --> 02:03:53,790 Yes. Particularly in political circumstances. Mm hmm. 1960 02:03:55,979 --> 02:03:59,459 So you gotta gotta talk about oh, he's a great dad and you got 1961 02:03:59,459 --> 02:04:02,819 women talk. One of the good things came out in the girl dad, 1962 02:04:02,819 --> 02:04:07,739 I know we kind of poopoo that. But a lot of women of all color 1963 02:04:07,739 --> 02:04:11,909 we were started saying oh, how important dads were Yes. And 1964 02:04:11,909 --> 02:04:15,029 they were like, No, we can't have that. You know? This guy's 1965 02:04:16,559 --> 02:04:21,179 being a lightning rod for Dad appreciation and, and I honestly 1966 02:04:21,179 --> 02:04:27,629 believe the whole Gale thing was a counter move to the girl dad 1967 02:04:27,629 --> 02:04:31,499 thing because they tried to co op it. But it had it had a whole 1968 02:04:31,499 --> 02:04:33,899 nother effect, even with another fact that the 1969 02:04:33,899 --> 02:04:37,169 Oh, because it was resurging. You mean so because it became so 1970 02:04:37,199 --> 02:04:41,069 I see what you're saying. Even though this is a long gone 1971 02:04:41,069 --> 02:04:45,719 thing. It was super popular at the time. And so this would be a 1972 02:04:45,749 --> 02:04:49,889 rekindling. And well we can't have that we get a black man a 1973 02:04:49,889 --> 02:04:51,299 good father but two women. 1974 02:04:53,430 --> 02:04:56,400 And then black women coming out saying about how their dads were 1975 02:04:56,400 --> 02:04:58,110 good to them. No, no. 1976 02:04:59,399 --> 02:05:03,569 Oh, thanks. guard, this is not possible we can have that. Black 1977 02:05:03,569 --> 02:05:13,319 man Pat black man bed, this is what it is. And holy crap. I'm a 1978 02:05:13,319 --> 02:05:14,729 little out of breath from this one. 1979 02:05:18,390 --> 02:05:19,890 I don't know if it's a good or bad thing. But 1980 02:05:20,520 --> 02:05:23,190 no, it is a good thing. And well, first of all, it's a great 1981 02:05:23,190 --> 02:05:26,610 thing because I know that my wife is going to listen to this 1982 02:05:26,610 --> 02:05:28,710 front to back because she's like, Oh, I know, she'll know 1983 02:05:28,710 --> 02:05:32,880 she'll love this. And the big eye opener for me as always, 1984 02:05:32,880 --> 02:05:40,140 because it's obviously not on my radar. Is this targeting this 1985 02:05:40,140 --> 02:05:46,920 specific targeting by Oprah and Gayle for years of black men for 1986 02:05:46,920 --> 02:05:51,120 horrible crimes and the and that's one thing or accusations, 1987 02:05:51,600 --> 02:05:56,340 letting White men off and they're all powerful. You know, 1988 02:05:56,340 --> 02:06:00,780 Kobe Bryant is near the NBA, it's there's power in there. But 1989 02:06:00,780 --> 02:06:03,720 look at who they're letting off and forth. And for what 1990 02:06:04,320 --> 02:06:07,980 magnitude or amplification of the types of things they're 1991 02:06:07,980 --> 02:06:14,460 accusing others of. Wow. Well, that's fucked up. It everyone 1992 02:06:14,460 --> 02:06:19,380 wants to love Oprah. Mo, thanks. It's, it's over. Now. 1993 02:06:20,340 --> 02:06:22,560 I don't write the news. I just record it. 1994 02:06:24,029 --> 02:06:26,639 So what what we didn't really discuss is that we were going to 1995 02:06:26,639 --> 02:06:31,799 do a potluck special for this 2015 episode. But of course, 1996 02:06:31,799 --> 02:06:35,489 this came up and I'm very glad that we did a pivot here to do 1997 02:06:35,489 --> 02:06:38,399 this. Because I think again, this is something that is 1998 02:06:38,399 --> 02:06:41,909 fantastic for people to hear and to learn about. And I know 1999 02:06:41,909 --> 02:06:44,789 they'll take it seriously when when Moe does this and we roll 2000 02:06:44,789 --> 02:06:47,129 it out like that, you know, it's not just going to be a dumb show 2001 02:06:47,129 --> 02:06:52,409 business story. So it's, it's appreciated. Which means we will 2002 02:06:52,409 --> 02:06:57,059 be thanking people probably in the next episode, as I guess 2003 02:06:57,059 --> 02:06:59,939 we'll have the potluck unless something else crops up. I mean, 2004 02:07:00,209 --> 02:07:01,229 whatever if at 2005 02:07:01,230 --> 02:07:05,790 all right? for it, but this was positive in a potluck segment. 2006 02:07:06,240 --> 02:07:11,640 But the story can't understand, and it was like, I can't 2007 02:07:13,560 --> 02:07:16,020 You can't just do it in 10 minutes now I understand. 2008 02:07:16,500 --> 02:07:20,790 So um, well, we went to a whole show and not thought people 2009 02:07:20,790 --> 02:07:25,650 would appreciate it and yeah, so what I always do pay attention 2010 02:07:25,650 --> 02:07:29,310 to everything and the truth revealed itself and please 2011 02:07:29,310 --> 02:07:34,080 feel free to go to moe facts.com or mo fund me.com to support the 2012 02:07:34,080 --> 02:07:38,220 work that you hear. It should be bringing you value and we just 2013 02:07:38,220 --> 02:07:41,160 like to see you return some of that in kind and we'll talk to 2014 02:07:41,160 --> 02:07:43,710 you next time right here on mo facts with Adam curry. 2015 02:07:44,220 --> 02:07:49,290 Oh no, wait, you do work one morning down the path alone sat 2016 02:07:49,290 --> 02:07:57,810 at the lake Tinder a woman so poor half frozen snake his 2017 02:07:57,810 --> 02:08:05,820 pretty colored skin had been all froze data when she cried out 2018 02:08:05,820 --> 02:08:15,120 take you out take care of you. Take me in there. Me and him and 2019 02:08:15,120 --> 02:08:19,230 say take me into their home oh man 2020 02:08:25,950 --> 02:08:33,270 up all cozy in a cup of butter on sale. And man by the fire 2021 02:08:33,270 --> 02:08:40,050 cider with some honey and some milk. Take me a man or a woman. 2022 02:08:40,560 --> 02:08:51,480 Take me here for heaven's sake. Tinder the slave mistake me in 2023 02:08:54,000 --> 02:09:05,730 making him or heaven say sake take me. A woman the snake the 2024 02:09:05,730 --> 02:09:06,630 snake