1 00:00:05,190 --> 00:00:10,140 mo fax with Adam curry for January 13 2020 This is episode 2 00:00:10,140 --> 00:00:14,040 number 21 And hello mr. Moe. 3 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:16,050 How you doing sir? 4 00:00:16,109 --> 00:00:21,509 I am good mo it's very sad day of course for this show as as we 5 00:00:21,509 --> 00:00:28,829 mourn the suspension of Cory Booker's campaign he was our 6 00:00:28,829 --> 00:00:29,639 last hope. 7 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:32,430 Happy trails to you, Cory. 8 00:00:35,070 --> 00:00:39,690 The news is kind of going crazy to like what there's a there's 9 00:00:39,690 --> 00:00:42,870 only white guys up on stage that includes Elizabeth Warren as a 10 00:00:42,870 --> 00:00:43,440 white guy. 11 00:00:45,210 --> 00:00:48,030 I heard I heard that too. Like, 12 00:00:48,060 --> 00:00:53,730 just going nuts over it. Anyway. Today, I don't know where I 13 00:00:53,730 --> 00:00:57,030 mean, you always surprise me with with your topics. And 14 00:00:57,630 --> 00:01:00,630 compliments again for the last show, man that was that was a 15 00:01:00,630 --> 00:01:04,500 lot of fun. I love seeing people on no agenda social.com or on 16 00:01:04,500 --> 00:01:07,380 Twitter where they're like, Wow, holy crap. I learned something 17 00:01:07,380 --> 00:01:10,230 that kind of changed my perspective. That's fantastic. 18 00:01:10,230 --> 00:01:11,280 I'm sure you see this too. 19 00:01:11,970 --> 00:01:15,570 Yeah. And the last clip threw everybody for a loop. So I mean, 20 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,370 I took great joy, Matt. Oh, 21 00:01:18,300 --> 00:01:21,360 if you didn't get to the to the end, you miss something? Because 22 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,660 yeah, that totally. I mean, we could hardly even end the show. 23 00:01:24,660 --> 00:01:28,860 She's like, okay. Just Just guess I guess I'll get ended 24 00:01:28,860 --> 00:01:29,910 now. 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But thank you, you know 36 00:02:16,770 --> 00:02:19,920 who you are. What's your special number? And thank you. Thank you 37 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:20,580 very much. 38 00:02:20,910 --> 00:02:24,210 Okay. All right. So this is what we call an anonymous friend of 39 00:02:24,210 --> 00:02:29,160 the family. Yes. friend of the family. Okay. I like it. All 40 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,470 right. Friends and a family friend to the family. Excellent. 41 00:02:31,500 --> 00:02:34,320 So what are we doing? Mo what? What's on 42 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,410 deck? Show top Eisah? 43 00:02:40,290 --> 00:02:45,690 Ah, yes. The patriarchy. Okay. The patriarchy. I've always 44 00:02:45,690 --> 00:02:47,790 wondered. So we're doing a show tonight. She 45 00:02:47,790 --> 00:02:48,870 got it twice. It's 46 00:02:49,140 --> 00:02:52,560 a show about me basically, am I not a part of the problem? Am I 47 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:53,760 not in the patriarchy? 48 00:02:54,570 --> 00:02:58,740 Well, I'll think it's more of me being the problem. Maybe your 49 00:02:58,740 --> 00:03:05,850 influence on me. Okay, all right. Not personally, but just 50 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:10,500 what we what we've seen here is we talked about this before, and 51 00:03:10,500 --> 00:03:15,390 2020 that politically, we're going to see a wedge driven 52 00:03:15,390 --> 00:03:18,870 between black men and black women, yes. With black women 53 00:03:18,870 --> 00:03:19,770 supposedly 54 00:03:19,920 --> 00:03:24,480 needing to take charge and show their black men the error of 55 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:25,230 their ways. 56 00:03:26,070 --> 00:03:30,330 Yes, the powers that be want to isolate black women into their 57 00:03:30,330 --> 00:03:37,770 own demographic. And so I've been seeing little jabs, verbal 58 00:03:39,780 --> 00:03:43,830 bombs cherry bomb has been lobbed over, you know, but this 59 00:03:43,830 --> 00:03:47,970 one really caught me and I was like, Okay, it's official. I'm 60 00:03:48,090 --> 00:03:51,930 our black man capable of maintaining a law relationship. 61 00:03:52,020 --> 00:03:52,530 Oh, 62 00:03:52,590 --> 00:03:55,170 I don't speak for the black community. But I do think that a 63 00:03:55,170 --> 00:03:59,130 lot of black men, they really don't know how to have true 64 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,940 faithful relationships. They think because they have money, 65 00:04:03,060 --> 00:04:06,270 because they have power that they can treat women any kind of 66 00:04:06,270 --> 00:04:10,260 way. Loni Love is saying and that is something we need to 67 00:04:10,260 --> 00:04:14,940 work on. We are still dealing with the point of slavery, and 68 00:04:14,940 --> 00:04:18,450 we are descendants of slavery. And because our families were 69 00:04:18,450 --> 00:04:23,580 broken up, we still do not have idea of what how to have 70 00:04:23,820 --> 00:04:26,220 together families because our families are broken 71 00:04:26,220 --> 00:04:31,200 up. Wow. Okay, a lot of things in there. First of all, this is 72 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:36,960 the real, isn't it? The talk show? Yes. The real Loni Love. 73 00:04:37,020 --> 00:04:38,760 Yes, it was Lonnie. I don't know her. 74 00:04:39,270 --> 00:04:43,260 She's a black lady, the heavyset black lady. 75 00:04:43,860 --> 00:04:47,610 I know who she is. Yeah. All right. Got it. Right. And 76 00:04:48,390 --> 00:04:52,530 before this clip of maybe a month or two ago, she let it be 77 00:04:52,530 --> 00:04:59,130 known that she's interracially dating older white men and I've 78 00:04:59,130 --> 00:05:02,550 noticed since Then she's been throwing little, you know, 79 00:05:02,550 --> 00:05:07,170 little baby jabs at black men, but she just really came out and 80 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:12,030 say a whole group of people, a whole group of people or 81 00:05:12,030 --> 00:05:14,910 not, it was completely racist, bigoted. 82 00:05:18,570 --> 00:05:21,420 And if, if this would have happened, and she came back and 83 00:05:21,420 --> 00:05:25,380 gave apology, then this really wouldn't be a show. For her 84 00:05:25,380 --> 00:05:30,690 network. Yeah, not to come out and make her apologize to a 85 00:05:30,690 --> 00:05:34,200 whole demographic of people. Yeah, that let me know that this 86 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:38,220 is sanction. Not maybe influenced or make a tow to say 87 00:05:38,220 --> 00:05:40,890 this, but it's like, okay, yeah, we can let that ride. Did you 88 00:05:40,890 --> 00:05:41,220 see 89 00:05:41,220 --> 00:05:45,660 any pushback on Twitter or any other social media about about 90 00:05:45,660 --> 00:05:48,120 what you said, because I didn't see anything. 91 00:05:48,570 --> 00:05:52,980 Because this set, this set the black manosphere, which is a 92 00:05:52,980 --> 00:06:00,600 thing, I saw black YouTube, it's more like the kind of like the 93 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:05,640 MiG towel. Ish. I don't want to put that label on there men 94 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,480 going their own way. Yeah, men going their own way. Black men, 95 00:06:09,510 --> 00:06:13,470 black people that are black positive towards black males. 96 00:06:15,990 --> 00:06:19,590 I'm hearing a branding opportunity here. Because we 97 00:06:19,590 --> 00:06:21,870 need to be able to name this. I understand what you're saying. 98 00:06:21,870 --> 00:06:23,250 But there's no name for it yet. 99 00:06:23,730 --> 00:06:26,700 When there actually is a couple of people who have coined the 100 00:06:26,700 --> 00:06:30,540 term. I call it the black manosphere. But it set it on 101 00:06:30,540 --> 00:06:37,590 fire. Oh, oh. Okay. She said that. She's interracial dating. 102 00:06:38,010 --> 00:06:42,120 And she kind of made the excuse of why? Well, she did 103 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:46,650 something kind of nasty. She, she kind of said, well, you 104 00:06:46,650 --> 00:06:50,430 know, this is all historical. And it's no man about the house 105 00:06:50,460 --> 00:06:52,200 is I guess what she referred to? 106 00:06:53,159 --> 00:06:56,939 What? No, wait a minute. She went all the way back to 107 00:06:56,939 --> 00:07:00,359 slavery, right is bullcrap. Right? Which is bullcrap. 108 00:07:00,509 --> 00:07:04,469 Because on this show, we've discussed the town right after 109 00:07:04,469 --> 00:07:11,729 slavery, black people had a high level of two parent households 110 00:07:11,849 --> 00:07:17,249 marriage. That's right. And it declined in the 1940s 50s 60s. 111 00:07:17,489 --> 00:07:21,389 To where is the state is now. So that was bush. She was even 112 00:07:21,449 --> 00:07:27,269 incorrect in her analysis of why it was. But my thing is for her 113 00:07:27,269 --> 00:07:32,789 to be able to say that on a national television show, and 114 00:07:32,789 --> 00:07:37,529 nobody made her apologize or walk it back or anything that 115 00:07:37,529 --> 00:07:42,209 lets you know that it's open season on black men and black 116 00:07:42,269 --> 00:07:43,049 patriarchy. 117 00:07:43,860 --> 00:07:49,200 Not to belabor it. What's the name of her? Her her older 118 00:07:49,260 --> 00:07:54,570 boyfriend? I have no idea. Because he's not he's not he's 119 00:07:54,570 --> 00:08:00,000 like he's not known. And that's the other thing is like you 120 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:00,720 didn't you? 121 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,340 Okay, I'm looking. Well, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm naturally 122 00:08:05,340 --> 00:08:13,530 curious. Okay, his name is James Welsh. All right. Okay, boring 123 00:08:13,530 --> 00:08:15,390 guy. All right, let's onward. 124 00:08:16,410 --> 00:08:21,180 Okay, so onward. She's not the first person as I stated before, 125 00:08:21,180 --> 00:08:27,990 that has said, derogatory comments about men. And 126 00:08:28,110 --> 00:08:32,490 sometimes when people say men, they only mean a specific group 127 00:08:32,490 --> 00:08:36,960 of men. We had a singer named Kay Michelle. This I did a show 128 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:42,090 on my, on my YouTube channel, where she says, quote, I don't 129 00:08:42,090 --> 00:08:45,540 think men are good people. So they pressed her on this topic 130 00:08:45,570 --> 00:08:48,930 on this radio show. Notice the radio black radio where she's 131 00:08:48,930 --> 00:08:53,850 propagating this, this mindset, and she said, Oh, no, I'm a good 132 00:08:53,850 --> 00:09:01,080 person. I know as my dad. That's it. So after that, I took this 133 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:05,280 next clip. I took went back and listen to see if I need to clip 134 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,860 that part. But it wasn't really I just expressed to you what she 135 00:09:07,860 --> 00:09:12,570 said. But I felt this little nugget that I found interesting 136 00:09:12,660 --> 00:09:16,350 nowadays, that's not the man that I see. They don't have any 137 00:09:16,350 --> 00:09:20,130 of it no heart like that. Like I went to J J's yesterday. I 138 00:09:20,130 --> 00:09:23,070 wanted to go to Campbellton and I say like hey, you finna get 139 00:09:23,070 --> 00:09:25,770 it. Yes, I am. And I went back there with the dudes in the back 140 00:09:25,770 --> 00:09:30,270 and young do X me? He said Who What were your security? Where 141 00:09:30,270 --> 00:09:33,930 you when I said Well, sir, how old are you? I said why are you 142 00:09:33,930 --> 00:09:36,690 asking me for just security? You're supposed to secure me 143 00:09:37,050 --> 00:09:40,380 you're a black man. Yeah, like why gotta be scared around 144 00:09:40,380 --> 00:09:44,220 you're you're supposed to protect babies and men speak at 145 00:09:44,220 --> 00:09:48,060 ease man I'm protecting nobody think that is because they mom 146 00:09:48,060 --> 00:09:52,950 was embrace. And I And they, they see is what they seen. If 147 00:09:52,950 --> 00:09:56,580 you don't know you don't know. They haven't even seen better, 148 00:09:56,730 --> 00:09:58,680 you know, for them to know how to do better. 149 00:09:59,580 --> 00:10:03,270 All right. Here's what I heard. I heard a number of things. The 150 00:10:03,270 --> 00:10:06,750 one that was, I think would be quite offensive is their mama 151 00:10:06,750 --> 00:10:12,030 didn't raise him. Did I nail it? Yeah, that you don't. By the 152 00:10:12,030 --> 00:10:14,040 way, you don't say that to a black mother. I don't care if 153 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:20,190 it's true or not, unless you want to get that shoe by Eddie 154 00:10:20,190 --> 00:10:20,610 Murphy. 155 00:10:22,740 --> 00:10:28,110 So here's what she made a valid point. Who raised him, right? 156 00:10:28,650 --> 00:10:32,760 Who raised these young men, their mothers for the majority? 157 00:10:33,750 --> 00:10:38,910 Not fathers. Yep. And this is the, this is really the point I 158 00:10:38,910 --> 00:10:41,550 want to make in this show and highlight in the show, and we're 159 00:10:41,550 --> 00:10:44,010 not going to be attacking anybody because not what we're I 160 00:10:44,010 --> 00:10:49,890 really do. highlight how things are, how they got that way. And 161 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,690 who was behind it? That's kind of like what we do on the show. 162 00:10:54,720 --> 00:11:01,200 Oh, yeah. So for her to say, why did she say the father's? 163 00:11:02,940 --> 00:11:05,640 Because that was where you would think a man would get his male 164 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,340 traits to protect them, you know, masculine need to be 165 00:11:08,340 --> 00:11:11,220 protected for women and children and things of that nature. You 166 00:11:11,220 --> 00:11:13,890 would say, oh, man, your father didn't teach you anything? Well, 167 00:11:13,890 --> 00:11:14,400 I, 168 00:11:14,789 --> 00:11:21,149 I presume she's making a generalization that black men 169 00:11:21,149 --> 00:11:22,649 grow up without their fathers. 170 00:11:24,029 --> 00:11:29,999 Exactly. And that's the root of the problem. That is the root of 171 00:11:29,999 --> 00:11:33,119 the problem. How can you learn something for somebody that 172 00:11:33,179 --> 00:11:36,599 they're not there to teach you now, we're gonna get into why we 173 00:11:36,599 --> 00:11:41,369 spoke about why have no man in the house, and it just became 174 00:11:41,369 --> 00:11:45,479 now it's cultural. It's cultural. But there was a there 175 00:11:45,479 --> 00:11:47,819 was a period. I mean, some things that happened in between 176 00:11:47,819 --> 00:11:50,699 them no man house period. And now that we're really going to 177 00:11:50,699 --> 00:11:52,859 deep dive in, because I know people like oh, we kind of 178 00:11:52,859 --> 00:11:55,709 covered this topic before. Yes, we did. But there's one segment 179 00:11:55,739 --> 00:12:00,989 of time that we didn't really get into. But you're probably 180 00:12:00,989 --> 00:12:04,649 wondering, why is this a big issue? Why where did this really 181 00:12:04,649 --> 00:12:11,309 crop up at? So I was looking through some old clips I had, 182 00:12:11,759 --> 00:12:16,499 and I found this interesting one from MSNBC and Donny Deutsch. 183 00:12:16,649 --> 00:12:19,439 Oh, this guy. That guy. 184 00:12:19,470 --> 00:12:23,400 Yeah. Okay. Donny Deutsch, former advertising executive. 185 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:23,550 Here 186 00:12:23,550 --> 00:12:26,400 we go. Donald Trump was the aggressor was taking it to her. 187 00:12:26,790 --> 00:12:29,580 What he lost the debate and let me tell you why. It's very 188 00:12:29,580 --> 00:12:32,670 simple. Okay. This is no longer about politics. This is gender 189 00:12:32,670 --> 00:12:36,930 war. Okay. This is I've spent 1000s of hours with with in 190 00:12:36,930 --> 00:12:41,790 women focus groups. And the Friday Thau to do sneaky. Really 191 00:12:43,680 --> 00:12:48,330 nice. Friday thing of, we don't have to reboot of grabbing 192 00:12:48,330 --> 00:12:51,570 women. Every woman in America was listening, you would dismiss 193 00:12:51,570 --> 00:12:55,800 it was lensing that from last night as he was lurking behind, 194 00:12:55,830 --> 00:12:59,460 as Nicole Wallace said, I would have call 911 As he was telling 195 00:12:59,460 --> 00:13:02,430 me, he's going to jail, her women in America are going to 196 00:13:02,430 --> 00:13:05,370 stand up and revolt. It's always been about the women, and there 197 00:13:05,370 --> 00:13:09,330 will be more to come. And the words didn't mean anything. What 198 00:13:09,330 --> 00:13:12,510 when every woman in America who has ever been held down, 199 00:13:12,630 --> 00:13:16,320 oppressed, harassed, there is something in them, there's a 200 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,620 nerve that hits that so transcends everything else. And 201 00:13:19,620 --> 00:13:22,680 if you're not seeing that, you're missing them. By the way, 202 00:13:22,710 --> 00:13:26,040 it's not the point that men objectify women will not. It's 203 00:13:26,070 --> 00:13:27,420 what they heard 204 00:13:27,420 --> 00:13:33,360 and saw. Okay, where did How do you interpret this? This is a 205 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,120 gender war. Well, of course. 206 00:13:37,980 --> 00:13:43,110 Rice, how about World War Three? Iran, no, World War Three is the 207 00:13:43,110 --> 00:13:49,590 gender war. And it's the end it got hot 2016 or leading up into 208 00:13:49,590 --> 00:13:55,560 2016 the election, that's when it went hot, it was cold. But 209 00:13:55,560 --> 00:13:59,220 now, this is where we're at. And I noticed a stretch you like, 210 00:13:59,250 --> 00:14:04,830 come on Mo, but for a certain group of women to come out on 211 00:14:04,830 --> 00:14:11,940 television and target a whole demographic. Repeatedly, woman 212 00:14:11,940 --> 00:14:15,030 after a woman I could I could attend to these clips of 213 00:14:15,540 --> 00:14:18,120 celebrities quote unquote celebrities saying sideway 214 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:19,980 things towards black men. 215 00:14:21,299 --> 00:14:25,409 Yeah, it's interesting. You brought Donny Deutsch in because 216 00:14:25,829 --> 00:14:28,949 what he I think specifically in what you know, the Morning Joe 217 00:14:28,949 --> 00:14:33,209 show that he's on what they they really are, or they believe, and 218 00:14:33,209 --> 00:14:37,349 I think that correct. They are speaking to white suburban moms. 219 00:14:37,709 --> 00:14:42,419 So it is a gender war, but it's, it's right now you've got an old 220 00:14:42,419 --> 00:14:46,349 white dude, saying this, but what I'm hearing here in your 221 00:14:46,349 --> 00:14:50,849 clip from the real is now we have black women basically 222 00:14:50,879 --> 00:14:53,309 trying to split off black women from black men. 223 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:59,340 Yes, because they don't want that mindset of asking for a 224 00:14:59,340 --> 00:15:04,770 tangible wheels. Which tangibles is a logical thing? You give me 225 00:15:04,770 --> 00:15:08,880 something for something return? No, they want the emotional 226 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:13,380 play. So they need us out of the way. So they can run their 227 00:15:13,380 --> 00:15:16,470 emotional script like they've been doing for ages, because it 228 00:15:16,470 --> 00:15:20,670 doesn't work on this anymore. For the most part, I mean, take 229 00:15:20,670 --> 00:15:24,990 that back. It doesn't work on a sizable portion of the black 230 00:15:24,990 --> 00:15:29,700 male community doesn't work anymore. And it's funny that you 231 00:15:29,700 --> 00:15:33,330 said that. This is great. Why you said that. You said that. 232 00:15:33,780 --> 00:15:37,950 MSNBC morning, Joe targets white suburban women. That's right. 233 00:15:37,950 --> 00:15:41,250 Well, it was something I couldn't clip because it was 234 00:15:41,250 --> 00:15:46,170 visual. So you have mica, key mouse to a black female pundit 235 00:15:46,170 --> 00:15:51,030 when it was on this panel? Oh, that thing you said about white 236 00:15:51,030 --> 00:15:54,030 women is like it was really an honorable, so you couldn't 237 00:15:54,030 --> 00:15:57,330 really? Can't you read lips and see what she's saying? She said, 238 00:15:57,330 --> 00:15:59,640 Thank you, the thing you said about white women and you're 239 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:04,710 like, not it and then the black female pundit dove right in. And 240 00:16:04,710 --> 00:16:07,980 it was like, Yeah, white women frolic can see about being 241 00:16:07,980 --> 00:16:10,860 victimized about Donald Trump when him saying grandpa, the you 242 00:16:10,860 --> 00:16:14,400 know what, now they can see the pain, you know, and then Myka 243 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,940 give us a Okay, sound like great. That's great. Okay, so 244 00:16:19,050 --> 00:16:23,280 now, I'll post it on my Twitter. So people can see that clip. But 245 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,850 it was just amazing. Like, right on cue. She sent you're saying, 246 00:16:26,850 --> 00:16:30,660 like, get him. And that's where we're at right now. Get them 247 00:16:30,690 --> 00:16:31,050 right. 248 00:16:31,049 --> 00:16:34,409 But but at this point, we are talking about talking heads and 249 00:16:34,409 --> 00:16:38,399 pundits on television who may have a have a different who have 250 00:16:38,399 --> 00:16:44,369 an agenda and have a program they're running through. I don't 251 00:16:44,369 --> 00:16:48,299 know if this is I doubt this is universal outside of television, 252 00:16:48,299 --> 00:16:51,269 land and politics land. Or is 253 00:16:51,270 --> 00:16:55,050 it we're going to investigate the influence of television? 254 00:16:55,260 --> 00:16:56,850 Good. Well, how it shrinks. 255 00:16:57,629 --> 00:17:00,299 Down sucks everybody up. Yes, exactly. 256 00:17:02,970 --> 00:17:05,820 But Loni Love, she's not a political pundit. I mean, she 257 00:17:05,820 --> 00:17:09,600 does daytime television, which I think daytime television is some 258 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,320 of the most powerful propaganda. Sometimes, I mean, I'm off on 259 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,290 weekdays, I used to be off weekdays, and I would just sit 260 00:17:16,290 --> 00:17:20,700 down and watch it. I'm like, holy crap. I mean, this is a 261 00:17:20,700 --> 00:17:22,350 straight up. Oh, 262 00:17:22,500 --> 00:17:25,920 well, you know, I'm I'm a view watcher. So yeah, right. Oh, 263 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:30,030 totally. It's all it's a massive propaganda and shaming group 264 00:17:30,030 --> 00:17:32,790 thing, shaming, Kancil culture. Oh, yeah. It's all there. 265 00:17:32,790 --> 00:17:33,480 Absolutely. 266 00:17:34,230 --> 00:17:37,740 So I just took that away. So we can't just poopoo what Lonnie 267 00:17:37,740 --> 00:17:43,020 says, and I can say this stuff. What got me was, you know, most 268 00:17:43,020 --> 00:17:45,150 of the time the net were like, well, you need to go clean that 269 00:17:45,150 --> 00:17:48,270 out, you know, and that just goes to show you what I think 270 00:17:48,270 --> 00:17:53,430 about black men. We're not a demographic or any other group 271 00:17:53,460 --> 00:17:58,620 you can say. Yeah, Lumberjacks? No, say I can't maintain a 272 00:17:59,250 --> 00:18:02,100 relationship and you know, the lumberjack contingency would 273 00:18:02,100 --> 00:18:05,340 come out. Say you need to back off the lumberjacks and 274 00:18:06,210 --> 00:18:08,970 you'd have a spokes spokes hole. At least you'd have someone to 275 00:18:08,970 --> 00:18:09,900 write a union. 276 00:18:10,230 --> 00:18:11,040 Ronnie Yeah. 277 00:18:14,069 --> 00:18:16,139 Exactly. Right. 278 00:18:16,740 --> 00:18:20,910 All right. So what are your favorite guys? Jason Whitlock? 279 00:18:20,940 --> 00:18:25,800 Oh, yeah. I love this guy. He said from Fox News, Fox Sports. 280 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:27,060 One Fs one. Yeah. 281 00:18:27,630 --> 00:18:31,710 Yes. But I found him doing an interview on a podcast called 282 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,110 scone TV unscripted. 283 00:18:35,310 --> 00:18:39,360 Now, we know that on podcast people always get loose. And I 284 00:18:39,360 --> 00:18:43,800 think Whitlock is he talks really straight on mainstream 285 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:47,220 TV. So I can't wait to hear what he's got to say here. I am a fan 286 00:18:47,220 --> 00:18:47,760 of this guy. 287 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:54,359 Is the honest truth about how to set loose. Whitlock one 288 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:55,139 patriarchy, 289 00:18:55,320 --> 00:19:01,380 believe in family. But believe in the patriarchy where and 290 00:19:01,380 --> 00:19:04,410 again, I don't talk. I am the patriarchy. I tell people up 291 00:19:04,410 --> 00:19:08,760 front. You know it. I pay a price for that with these woke 292 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:16,410 women out here now. But I believe men and women have 293 00:19:16,410 --> 00:19:22,470 unique responsibilities. And I'm willing to live up to my as a 294 00:19:22,470 --> 00:19:28,080 man. I don't and again, unique responsibilities, not unequal 295 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:32,070 responsibilities, unique responsibilities. All the 296 00:19:32,070 --> 00:19:36,240 responsibilities that apply to a man I'm willing to take on. 297 00:19:37,020 --> 00:19:41,790 Okay, fair enough. So I think that was a clear statement of 298 00:19:41,820 --> 00:19:47,490 where if you had to say where the black patriarchy was, we all 299 00:19:47,490 --> 00:19:51,570 know what our responsibility is. And we will listen to the guys 300 00:19:51,570 --> 00:19:54,750 that that live up to that standard. 301 00:19:54,810 --> 00:19:57,870 And what does that mean what I gotta call you mo what does that 302 00:19:57,870 --> 00:20:00,510 mean? What is what is the standard? What is it What is 303 00:20:00,510 --> 00:20:01,020 that? 304 00:20:01,530 --> 00:20:08,220 Living, he said, It's protecting women protecting children, being 305 00:20:08,220 --> 00:20:13,620 a provider, being responsible for your actions, using logic 306 00:20:13,620 --> 00:20:15,000 over emotion. It's 307 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,120 a very visionary, very traditional approach to a real 308 00:20:18,120 --> 00:20:18,660 area. 309 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:24,240 Bear Baer and Mrs. This was the bedrock of the black community, 310 00:20:25,020 --> 00:20:31,020 before you had the second wave, feminism come in, and it kind of 311 00:20:31,050 --> 00:20:35,550 drove a wedge there. Now, and now we're seeing the results, a 312 00:20:35,550 --> 00:20:40,020 third wave, and we're seeing the destruction of the black family 313 00:20:40,020 --> 00:20:43,470 structure. And this is where we're at. And it's like, now 314 00:20:43,470 --> 00:20:47,490 with the information age, where people can pinpoint where we 315 00:20:47,490 --> 00:20:51,750 went wrong. People can go back, read literature, watch videos, 316 00:20:51,780 --> 00:20:55,440 see stuff, how things really went down, and it can pinpoint 317 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,280 it. It's like, oh, we're not going to recreate the or redo 318 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:06,000 those mistakes. We want to fix it. So you have a lot of guys a 319 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,210 sizable number of guys that want to be fathers in their homes. 320 00:21:09,570 --> 00:21:14,670 They want to be providers to their wives, you know, what? To 321 00:21:14,670 --> 00:21:21,540 get what we respect and return. That's where the rub is. And I 322 00:21:21,540 --> 00:21:26,100 want to lead off with that clip. But here's because men and women 323 00:21:26,130 --> 00:21:30,930 are equal. They're not the same, but they are equal. And we have 324 00:21:30,930 --> 00:21:33,540 unique roles of all 325 00:21:33,540 --> 00:21:37,680 men, you know, that's so unwelcome view. I mean, that's, 326 00:21:38,790 --> 00:21:41,550 I'm just saying there's so there's an additional dynamic to 327 00:21:41,550 --> 00:21:46,890 this is what you see as it traditional, or the roles and 328 00:21:46,890 --> 00:21:52,590 the relationship, which I'm not disagreeing with. is So 329 00:21:52,590 --> 00:21:57,120 traditional that it's actually not woke. And I think there's a 330 00:21:57,120 --> 00:22:01,920 brain fry going on with some people. When you want Yes, yeah. 331 00:22:02,730 --> 00:22:04,110 This is the new woke. 332 00:22:05,490 --> 00:22:09,090 And the reason why I say what I think well is used to mean 333 00:22:09,090 --> 00:22:14,880 counterculture, counter culture. And patriarchy in the black 334 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,570 community is the new counterculture. Masculinity is 335 00:22:18,570 --> 00:22:22,260 the new counterculture. Not toxic, not toxic in the form of 336 00:22:22,260 --> 00:22:28,800 masculinity of bravado and being overly gangster 337 00:22:28,830 --> 00:22:35,610 or whatever. No, but the show that literally patriarchal, 338 00:22:36,780 --> 00:22:41,850 funny enough, that that's exactly what we requested 339 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:47,220 patriarchy Oh, no, this is this is the brain fry. Yeah. 340 00:22:49,260 --> 00:22:53,010 But let's get here's some more Jason, Jason Whitlock, our black 341 00:22:53,010 --> 00:22:53,490 family, 342 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:58,530 all kinds of decisions are being made all kinds of new cultural 343 00:22:58,530 --> 00:23:03,270 norms are being established. Hmm, that perhaps you don't 344 00:23:03,270 --> 00:23:08,280 agree with and, but you're running around chasing after 345 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:13,380 Trump, and don't even care that all your cultural norms are 346 00:23:13,380 --> 00:23:19,950 being reshaped. And, again, we have created particularly, is 347 00:23:19,950 --> 00:23:24,210 throughout American society, but it's most acute in our society. 348 00:23:25,110 --> 00:23:31,170 We have been convinced as black men and women that we don't need 349 00:23:31,170 --> 00:23:36,900 each other. That's the most toxic poisonous dangerous 350 00:23:37,410 --> 00:23:39,000 creation we can have. 351 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,390 We're on the precipice of self destruction if that takes root. 352 00:23:42,630 --> 00:23:43,410 Wow. 353 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:50,460 Yeah, so anyway, here's the thing. However, other people 354 00:23:50,460 --> 00:23:56,880 want to live their lives. It doesn't bother me. I've voiced 355 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:03,180 my opinion on it should be a parent in the home and 356 00:24:03,180 --> 00:24:05,880 apparently that works. I think that's the best situation now 357 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,210 that's not ideal for everybody because of financial reasons. 358 00:24:09,750 --> 00:24:13,380 I'm not saying one gender is obligated to stay at home and 359 00:24:13,380 --> 00:24:17,250 one genders not. But I think traditionally one parent should 360 00:24:17,250 --> 00:24:20,700 be able to stay at home. And just to point that out, um, what 361 00:24:20,700 --> 00:24:25,530 we should be fighting for instead of the gauge was the 362 00:24:25,530 --> 00:24:29,220 wage gap. We shouldn't be fighting for a wage where 363 00:24:29,220 --> 00:24:33,870 families can live off one income Yeah, no kidding. If we all got 364 00:24:33,870 --> 00:24:38,730 on the same page, but the power structure doesn't want that. 365 00:24:39,390 --> 00:24:42,480 That's why I said this is world war three and it's being fought 366 00:24:42,510 --> 00:24:46,830 in the kitchens and living rooms and bedrooms inside the homes. 367 00:24:47,580 --> 00:24:53,010 When you say the power structure doesn't want that. I had 368 00:24:53,940 --> 00:24:57,480 what what don't that what for what reason does the power 369 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:58,680 structure not want that 370 00:25:00,750 --> 00:25:04,710 All right, here's my theory. It just my theory. Okay, after 371 00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:08,880 World War Two, and we heard some of this on the show, black man 372 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,210 came back from World War Two wanting to have a piece of 373 00:25:12,210 --> 00:25:15,810 American Pie, right? Because it was to be had I mean, we had the 374 00:25:15,810 --> 00:25:20,400 spoils of war going into the 1950s. That was like the ideal 375 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,730 American time, minus the right stuff minus the right stuff, 376 00:25:23,730 --> 00:25:27,210 just American life, when you watch American television, you 377 00:25:27,210 --> 00:25:30,810 know, you had two cars and the white picket fence and the two 378 00:25:30,810 --> 00:25:33,150 and a half kids, you know, everything, which is perfect, 379 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:38,670 right? What did that lead to the 1960s, where you had the 380 00:25:38,670 --> 00:25:43,230 generation of free thinkers? And they said, No, we can't have 381 00:25:43,230 --> 00:25:46,920 that anymore. We need to keep everybody so stressed, 382 00:25:47,910 --> 00:25:53,400 financially and otherwise, that they can't produce free 383 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:54,090 thinkers. 384 00:25:55,980 --> 00:25:59,070 Is that crazy? No, no, I did not at all. 385 00:25:59,609 --> 00:26:02,009 Not at all. So I think that was the problem, like and they 386 00:26:02,009 --> 00:26:06,269 looked in the 60s like, Oh, this is what prosperity breeds. But 387 00:26:06,269 --> 00:26:09,389 you know, what's your free thinkers? Training Camp, 388 00:26:09,420 --> 00:26:13,170 but it's pretty short sighted this current strategy, but I 389 00:26:13,170 --> 00:26:16,320 guess they're certainly in power and politics. Everything is 390 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,590 short sighted. It's a short cycle. And yeah, I 391 00:26:19,589 --> 00:26:23,459 mean, because they're gonna prop anyway. And I mean, they just, 392 00:26:23,759 --> 00:26:30,719 they're too big to lose. I mean, not you not to use a cliche, but 393 00:26:30,719 --> 00:26:32,849 they really are too big to lose. So I mean, it's not about 394 00:26:32,849 --> 00:26:36,899 profits, then it's about control, right? Yes, no, yeah. 395 00:26:36,899 --> 00:26:37,139 And 396 00:26:37,140 --> 00:26:39,510 desperate, desperate men, desperate times Desperate 397 00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:42,360 Measures, and all in full in chop away. 398 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:49,080 And speaking of control, wanted to control mechanisms is well, 399 00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:51,540 Jason speaks on that and Whitlock to 400 00:26:51,930 --> 00:26:56,250 again, you got to social media is not the real world. In my 401 00:26:56,250 --> 00:27:02,040 view, that is a world controlled by Silicon Valley, and how white 402 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:07,170 liberals and other liberal activists, how they want us to 403 00:27:07,170 --> 00:27:11,610 be perceived, is what social media is particularly Twitter, 404 00:27:11,970 --> 00:27:16,350 and the whole Black Twitter phenomenon that they created. 405 00:27:16,590 --> 00:27:19,830 That perception that there's a Black Twitter, and that Black 406 00:27:19,830 --> 00:27:24,930 Twitter has a monolithic liberal voice. That's a creative thing. 407 00:27:26,369 --> 00:27:31,019 Yeah, for sure. I mean, I'm in I'm in great Twitter. And I see 408 00:27:31,229 --> 00:27:34,649 that I see a lot of interesting conversations, certainly not a 409 00:27:34,649 --> 00:27:37,739 lot of agreement. That's I don't see one big block, but that is 410 00:27:37,739 --> 00:27:40,889 what it can be perceived as and shaped as and called for sure. 411 00:27:41,940 --> 00:27:45,180 And this is the council culture. This is the control mechanism 412 00:27:45,180 --> 00:27:49,770 that we were speaking about how you can basically control 413 00:27:49,770 --> 00:27:55,050 people's thoughts. Yeah, in a way, it's like, when it doesn't 414 00:27:55,050 --> 00:27:57,720 fly on Twitter, you'll start to self censor, it's like, oh, 415 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,410 that's, that's not trending, or this is trending. Oh, this is 416 00:28:01,410 --> 00:28:03,810 trending. Now I need to recap 417 00:28:03,810 --> 00:28:08,550 exactly, even better than that is. And this is just my view of 418 00:28:08,550 --> 00:28:12,360 what I call the machine. But you know, if you can get and you 419 00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:15,120 just as you said, you try this No, didn't work. Get this, oh, I 420 00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:18,750 got something going global. He, I'm trending now. And then how 421 00:28:18,780 --> 00:28:23,340 can I get it to spill over onto cable television? That happens, 422 00:28:23,370 --> 00:28:25,710 you know, then it's great, because then the whole machine 423 00:28:25,710 --> 00:28:28,740 goes, then the clips are put on Twitter. And then it's just a 424 00:28:28,740 --> 00:28:31,890 perpetual motion, just a cycle that goes over and over again, 425 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,720 and can get really strong like a cyclone. 426 00:28:34,770 --> 00:28:38,820 And we've seen this because Miss Loni Love statement. You can go 427 00:28:38,820 --> 00:28:43,530 on Twitter and find this statement anywhere. It's just 428 00:28:43,530 --> 00:28:47,640 that it's become so comfortable on social media. Now it's being 429 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:53,430 said for public consumption across the airwaves. Right. But 430 00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:57,120 my biggest thing was the lack of apology, then that means in the 431 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,780 place where illegal gets called for everything. Right? had to 432 00:29:00,780 --> 00:29:01,500 say about this. 433 00:29:01,530 --> 00:29:03,810 Yeah, and I don't think you're obviously I don't think you're 434 00:29:03,810 --> 00:29:06,330 like personally outraged and offended, but you're looking at 435 00:29:06,330 --> 00:29:09,930 the facts of it. No apology requested. Okay, this is 436 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:10,680 messaging. 437 00:29:11,970 --> 00:29:15,240 My point exactly. My feelings weren't hurt at all. I mean, 438 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,610 like, they can keep mommy whoever, whatever. But 439 00:29:19,530 --> 00:29:21,690 dude, I think I think it's punishment enough. You got to 440 00:29:21,690 --> 00:29:24,090 watch the real. I mean, that's pretty harsh. 441 00:29:24,869 --> 00:29:32,219 Yeah, yeah. That's hard. Oh, but it's not only on social media 442 00:29:32,249 --> 00:29:37,469 that the powers that be they were as we refer to them, um, 443 00:29:37,469 --> 00:29:44,159 lovely. They want to control other forms of entertainment. 444 00:29:44,399 --> 00:29:46,649 And that's lit Whitlock 3.1. 445 00:29:47,069 --> 00:29:50,189 He's already said something about masculinity a few times. 446 00:29:50,189 --> 00:29:56,909 You referenced it right now. The NFL is a very masculine sport, 447 00:29:56,939 --> 00:29:57,659 is it not? 448 00:29:57,990 --> 00:30:01,200 Without question? It's the most men esculin thing in pop 449 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,470 culture, and it's the most powerful thing in pop culture 450 00:30:05,579 --> 00:30:12,959 are this sort of sort of effort underway to email escalate NFL 451 00:30:12,959 --> 00:30:14,909 players, black NFL players, 452 00:30:14,970 --> 00:30:22,620 they love black, the NFL, is the largest showcase of black 453 00:30:22,620 --> 00:30:27,300 masculinity we've ever seen in America. It's the most popular 454 00:30:27,300 --> 00:30:35,130 show on Fox, ESPN, ABC, NBC and CBS. That's five television 455 00:30:35,130 --> 00:30:39,240 networks that the NFL is the number one show on that's 456 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,570 unprecedented in pop culture that's unprecedented in 457 00:30:42,570 --> 00:30:47,730 television history. And so and it's a showcase of black male 458 00:30:47,730 --> 00:30:51,120 masculinity. And I just don't think some people are 459 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,820 comfortable with that. Oh, 460 00:30:54,359 --> 00:30:58,409 I know a couple things. But man, if they start to mess with most 461 00:30:58,409 --> 00:31:01,559 football, man now and it gets a it is gonna get personal. 462 00:31:02,220 --> 00:31:05,220 They already have. And that's that was the thing with the 463 00:31:05,220 --> 00:31:08,370 Colin Kaepernick thing. Course it was about discordantly 464 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:13,290 Discordian ism. It was about okay, if we go push this agenda 465 00:31:13,290 --> 00:31:17,970 and then Western, as I've said before, we're always the first 466 00:31:17,970 --> 00:31:21,360 through the door, the race thing is always the first to the door. 467 00:31:21,930 --> 00:31:28,410 And then we're left holding the door for everyone. So if it's 468 00:31:28,410 --> 00:31:33,120 Colin Kaepernick thing flies, then we the doors open, you 469 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,900 know, we can wedge everything else and attack the most 470 00:31:36,900 --> 00:31:41,910 masculine thing in American pop culture as Whitlock said, and 471 00:31:41,910 --> 00:31:45,330 it's the biggest television show go it's number one. Oh, tell it 472 00:31:45,330 --> 00:31:52,830 TVs? Yeah. Number one on five stations Biden? No. By landslide 473 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,500 you know, um, so that was that we're seeing it start to 474 00:32:00,540 --> 00:32:02,970 it's the beginning of the end. 475 00:32:04,530 --> 00:32:08,940 Well, I think that was the that was the flag was planning. It 476 00:32:08,940 --> 00:32:14,880 was like, No, you're not going to touch my NFL. Not because of 477 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,750 some self righteous thing. I think men that's our only escape 478 00:32:18,750 --> 00:32:22,980 left is sports. Right? NFL being the biggest mental escape. 479 00:32:23,700 --> 00:32:28,080 Because when you work a nine to 540 hours a week. Saturday's 480 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,200 meant for the family, and Sunday's meant for my football. 481 00:32:33,090 --> 00:32:35,850 Now I'm just telling you the average American of course 482 00:32:35,850 --> 00:32:37,500 that's American as apple pie. 483 00:32:37,890 --> 00:32:40,350 I'm not out of touch mo I know 484 00:32:44,970 --> 00:32:47,820 give you just give you some perspective. Little inside 485 00:32:47,820 --> 00:32:56,670 baseball. I'm here we go. black churches. And our schedule 486 00:32:56,670 --> 00:32:57,810 around football. 487 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,400 Oh, this is good. This is true inside baseball. And we're 488 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,000 talking football. This is a good one. I like it. This is I did 489 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,160 not realize i Okay. All right. 490 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,990 Black church really starts at 10 3011 o'clock right am but on 491 00:33:12,990 --> 00:33:17,190 Super Bowl Sunday. Well, no. 1245 you're looking at your 492 00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:22,680 watch. You're looking at the pastor. kickoff. 493 00:33:23,639 --> 00:33:26,849 And the pastor's looking back going. I know kickoffs at one. 494 00:33:27,329 --> 00:33:31,349 Right. Normally there's a cop. I mean, the people usually 495 00:33:31,349 --> 00:33:35,519 congregate outside and chat and y'all in no not not doing 496 00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:40,799 football season. It's like wow. Perspective. My dad used to 497 00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:42,389 drive a separate car 498 00:33:42,569 --> 00:33:43,859 to leave early 499 00:33:45,270 --> 00:33:52,980 to leave on time now he will leave early. It's a good story. 500 00:33:54,090 --> 00:33:58,320 tell you how powerful Oh yeah, no, I get it. Oh, football is 501 00:33:59,430 --> 00:34:02,880 symbolic of war. I mean, it gets the juices going. 502 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,270 And I want to remind people who are listening because you know 503 00:34:06,270 --> 00:34:08,490 you and I just shooting the shit with each other but there are 504 00:34:08,490 --> 00:34:12,090 people listening. Whenever most says inside baseball, pay 505 00:34:12,090 --> 00:34:16,740 attention. That's that's time to take it off. 1.5 times speed 506 00:34:16,740 --> 00:34:19,320 slow it down to one because you're gonna learn something. I 507 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:20,790 love this one good nugget. Mo. 508 00:34:21,690 --> 00:34:25,530 Yeah, so I mean, just that was hands off. And that's why you 509 00:34:25,530 --> 00:34:30,990 saw such a push back not only among white males, but black 510 00:34:30,990 --> 00:34:33,720 males. It's like, do you mess with my football? We went too 511 00:34:33,720 --> 00:34:38,130 far. Yep. Not boycott football. Are you crazy? I mean, that was 512 00:34:38,130 --> 00:34:46,530 a real sentiment. But I digress. And we'll let Jason continue on 513 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:47,730 toxic masculinity. 514 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:52,080 And I think if you look at our society as a whole, there's an 515 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,860 attack on masculinity. They say there's an attack on toxic 516 00:34:55,860 --> 00:34:59,910 masculinity. I say there's an attack just on masculinity and 517 00:34:59,910 --> 00:35:04,440 you Arrow and football in terms of pop culture is the head of 518 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,490 the snake. And yeah, I think football is under attack for 519 00:35:08,490 --> 00:35:11,010 those political reasons wow 520 00:35:11,070 --> 00:35:15,390 what is the goal to be masculine? It's such a masculine 521 00:35:15,390 --> 00:35:20,550 sport. So we should we start playing flag football? Well, 522 00:35:20,580 --> 00:35:27,960 I think there's a group a part of society that has decided that 523 00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:36,510 men are the cause of all problems in the world. And let's 524 00:35:36,510 --> 00:35:42,540 say that's true. But she also got to give men credit for the 525 00:35:42,540 --> 00:35:45,450 good things in the world if they get all the blame for everything 526 00:35:45,450 --> 00:35:49,380 where all the credit for everything that's good and so 527 00:35:49,380 --> 00:35:52,650 don't try to well the bad things are all on your own we got to 528 00:35:53,010 --> 00:35:54,630 the good things are on uh 529 00:35:56,340 --> 00:35:58,200 you know, I 530 00:35:59,190 --> 00:36:03,210 I'm a little torn because I thought it was just the white 531 00:36:03,210 --> 00:36:06,600 guys who were the problem and I you know, and I was kind of 532 00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:09,330 bearing the brunt of that and you know, now I got to share it 533 00:36:09,330 --> 00:36:18,060 with you Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, well, this is not 534 00:36:18,060 --> 00:36:21,090 discussed. This is not discussed or well known. 535 00:36:21,930 --> 00:36:25,260 We're about to get into the what is the victim Olympics here? 536 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:31,560 We've been dealing with this for so long it's just like it's not 537 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:36,240 you're just seeing you right now. And our Stephen A Smith 538 00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:41,280 says something and it's not exactly correct. But it's 539 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:47,160 catching the way he says he says when I'm when white people get a 540 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,300 cold black people get the flu? I think that's how he says it. Oh, 541 00:36:52,170 --> 00:36:57,420 and whenever you see your problem cropping up. Where the 542 00:36:58,260 --> 00:37:01,260 what is the thing I slips my called the lead the lead 543 00:37:01,260 --> 00:37:06,690 indicator? Yeah. canary in the coal mine? Yes, Black Pete black 544 00:37:06,900 --> 00:37:10,890 people in general. And black men in this case are the lead 545 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,950 indicator. Pay attention what's going on here? 546 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,760 i Oh, believe me I am. Even if I don't like football, I get it. I 547 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,410 see the problem. I see it. 548 00:37:19,770 --> 00:37:26,340 This, this is the lead indicator of well, okay, I'll let Jason 549 00:37:26,340 --> 00:37:27,990 Whitlock explain it new leadership, 550 00:37:28,350 --> 00:37:33,660 the world and there's an element of the world that wants to usher 551 00:37:33,660 --> 00:37:39,810 in a new leadership, female leadership across the world. 552 00:37:40,110 --> 00:37:46,530 It's the time for man has passed in their mind. And so again, if 553 00:37:46,530 --> 00:37:51,150 there's going to be an attack on any group, black people are 554 00:37:51,150 --> 00:37:55,620 going to be the first people to get back. And so I feel like I 555 00:37:55,620 --> 00:37:58,350 know why guys will disagree with this, because I hear him crying 556 00:37:58,350 --> 00:38:02,070 all the time. They feel like they're under the hardest 557 00:38:02,070 --> 00:38:04,590 attack. And I'm like, Man, y'all don't even know. 558 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,510 Really. So now I get attacked by my fellow man. Because I did 559 00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:12,600 exactly the same thing. All right. Well, you know what, 560 00:38:12,780 --> 00:38:15,990 thank you, MO. Thanks for bringing this because I was 561 00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:21,750 truly bigoted in thinking that yeah, this is just the white man 562 00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:27,210 who was hated. And now it turns out to get to share. Yeah. And, 563 00:38:28,770 --> 00:38:32,700 and, and learn. Maybe there's a couple of tips, maybe there's a 564 00:38:32,700 --> 00:38:36,150 few things that you've already witnessed, experienced and 565 00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:38,100 learned that you can pass on. 566 00:38:40,350 --> 00:38:42,090 That's why we're doing this show. No, I 567 00:38:42,090 --> 00:38:43,680 know. And I'm just leading when I'm 568 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,040 just saying what I'm what I'm saying. Is this, this, this 569 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:52,530 specific show, that's why we're doing it because there is a war 570 00:38:52,530 --> 00:38:56,040 going on. You might not have been drafted yet. You might have 571 00:38:57,570 --> 00:39:02,100 not on the front lines yet. But there is definitely. And I 572 00:39:02,100 --> 00:39:06,450 think, for older people, and whilst the older my age and 573 00:39:06,450 --> 00:39:10,650 older, we don't experience it as much because we went through the 574 00:39:10,650 --> 00:39:14,130 mating ritual. Yes. And a different time. 575 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,340 No, I'm definitely, definitely removed from from this for sure. 576 00:39:18,330 --> 00:39:24,030 But the younger people, I'd say 30 and under, they are going 577 00:39:24,030 --> 00:39:28,740 through this and it's man, I would not want to be single now. 578 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,860 And I know that sounds weird, because most people Oh, man, if 579 00:39:31,860 --> 00:39:36,360 I could do it, oh, no. I don't. I would not want to have the 580 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,330 date and Miss environment because it's the environment 581 00:39:39,330 --> 00:39:42,120 itself is toxic. It's not the masculinity. It's the 582 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:46,140 interaction between the two sexes this toxic 583 00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:48,960 there's a lot going on for sure. 584 00:39:50,340 --> 00:39:57,720 Yes. But as we always do, we have to go back and say where 585 00:39:57,720 --> 00:40:03,240 did this come from? Yes. Oh, What was the source of it? So I 586 00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:09,330 did a little digging. This is on Brooklyn TV, a television show 587 00:40:09,330 --> 00:40:14,310 called BK live, and it discusses black radical feminists over the 588 00:40:14,310 --> 00:40:14,910 years. 589 00:40:15,150 --> 00:40:17,880 I mean, the women in this exhibition, many of them were 590 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,820 part of organizations that were, you know, quote unquote, 591 00:40:20,820 --> 00:40:23,850 mainstream feminists, they were in dialogue, I don't at all want 592 00:40:23,850 --> 00:40:26,340 to create the impression that this was like a deep schism and 593 00:40:26,370 --> 00:40:29,160 there was no interaction because in fact, the model that I would 594 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,550 use that Katherine and I, my co curator come up with is much 595 00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:36,270 more of a Venn diagrams, like some of these people appear in 596 00:40:36,270 --> 00:40:40,170 so many different places, they would maybe be involved with MS 597 00:40:40,170 --> 00:40:42,720 magazine, which was founded by Gloria Steinem and Letty 598 00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:47,280 typography in a very kind of mainstream feminist publication. 599 00:40:47,310 --> 00:40:50,220 But you know, Faith Ringgold appears in that publication. 600 00:40:50,220 --> 00:40:54,180 Alice Walker was an editor Toni Morrison wrote many kinds of our 601 00:40:54,180 --> 00:40:57,360 iconic figures black woman feminists appeared in that 602 00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:58,950 publication. Hmm. 603 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,830 Well, yes, I know it's coming. When you mentioned Gloria 604 00:41:01,830 --> 00:41:04,170 Steinem. I think we brought it up on the show before, haven't 605 00:41:04,170 --> 00:41:04,470 we? 606 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,850 Yes, and it's this is these next to clip a throwback clips, but 607 00:41:08,850 --> 00:41:12,840 we have to do it for perspective. And just to really 608 00:41:13,410 --> 00:41:18,390 well, as the lady said, on the last clip, Miss magazine has MS 609 00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:23,880 magazine, and employ a ton of black feminist in the era of the 610 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:30,120 1970s 1980s. And these women went into gone to be the 611 00:41:30,750 --> 00:41:36,780 pinnacle of black feminism. And it had a source which is Gloria 612 00:41:36,780 --> 00:41:40,290 Steinem. But Gloria Steinem had an interesting connection. 613 00:41:40,530 --> 00:41:43,680 GLORIA at the festival, you worked for the independent 614 00:41:43,740 --> 00:41:47,910 research service. Club, exactly, when 615 00:41:47,910 --> 00:41:52,200 did your own association with the CIA start and in what 616 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:57,450 fashion they come to you or to do go to them? In 1958, when I 617 00:41:57,450 --> 00:42:01,920 came home from, from India, I discussed with student leaders 618 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:06,060 past and present, many of them active with the National Student 619 00:42:06,060 --> 00:42:11,310 Association, this kind of small foundation to encourage 620 00:42:11,310 --> 00:42:16,680 Americans to go, they thought it was a good idea to I was then 621 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:21,780 told by foundations and professors and friends, that it 622 00:42:22,260 --> 00:42:25,290 that I should not do this, that I would get in trouble with 623 00:42:25,290 --> 00:42:28,200 house on American Activities Committee, the American Legion, 624 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:35,460 all of those 50 people. And I became convinced that it was 625 00:42:35,460 --> 00:42:39,360 impossible. It was at that point that the student leaders said to 626 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,260 me that they had in the past received funds for international 627 00:42:43,260 --> 00:42:47,430 programs from the CIA, and that they felt that this was 628 00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:50,280 important and could also be partly funded by the CIA. I 629 00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:53,430 know there's such a philanthropic organization, 630 00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:58,860 those CIA guys, we just feel it's good. Don't worry. It's 631 00:42:58,860 --> 00:42:59,760 good work. 632 00:43:01,170 --> 00:43:07,710 So Gloria, she's obviously connected to the, the CIA, 633 00:43:07,740 --> 00:43:10,500 but I love how she when I came back from India, I was 634 00:43:10,500 --> 00:43:13,500 approached by the CIA, things that don't happen to most 635 00:43:13,500 --> 00:43:15,600 people. It's I came back from India. 636 00:43:17,070 --> 00:43:21,690 Right? And it's just that, but what you will have to what most 637 00:43:21,690 --> 00:43:25,050 people will believe and even I brought this up with my mother. 638 00:43:25,650 --> 00:43:29,370 And she didn't even know this. And disparate perspective. My 639 00:43:29,370 --> 00:43:33,540 mom came up through the bra burning era. She actually 640 00:43:33,540 --> 00:43:37,800 participated in that mindset, which made me interested in 641 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,980 dinner conversations between her and my father, which was, 642 00:43:41,610 --> 00:43:44,700 Oh, I'm sure he was not. Yeah, not super stoked about it. 643 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:50,100 No, when I told her this, she was like, what I was like, Yeah, 644 00:43:50,100 --> 00:43:50,610 most she didn't 645 00:43:50,610 --> 00:43:52,950 know I'm saying like she didn't know about the CIA connection to 646 00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:53,070 the 647 00:43:53,969 --> 00:43:57,089 very little people know about this connection. Wow. 648 00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,580 And she was shocked. Did she feel like she probably had been 649 00:43:59,580 --> 00:44:02,070 a bit manipulated once once you told her that? 650 00:44:02,850 --> 00:44:10,980 Yes. Yes, um, because these women that were listed in the 651 00:44:10,980 --> 00:44:16,110 previous clip, were icons for women her age, just like they're 652 00:44:16,140 --> 00:44:20,670 even icons for women. In present day, they still selling their 653 00:44:20,670 --> 00:44:23,580 books. They're still getting speaking engagements. 654 00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:27,030 Well, Jane Fonda still has an active career. She was a part of 655 00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:28,530 the of the gang back then. 656 00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:36,780 Exactly. So it's just that they created these icons, to 657 00:44:36,780 --> 00:44:44,070 basically mislead are pushing the agenda. So let's just get 658 00:44:44,070 --> 00:44:45,330 into part two of this clip, 659 00:44:45,870 --> 00:44:49,950 particular points of view to put forward which would have been 660 00:44:49,980 --> 00:44:54,780 much much more restricting than then the CIA funds were which 661 00:44:54,780 --> 00:44:57,420 were free. I mean, no one was told what to say. 662 00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:59,910 I mean, they were free. You mean to say it was easier for you to 663 00:44:59,910 --> 00:45:01,710 win worked for the CIA that a private? 664 00:45:01,890 --> 00:45:05,490 That's right. That's right. And and the reason that I think that 665 00:45:05,490 --> 00:45:10,020 comes as a surprise is it did to me at the time. I mean, I had 666 00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:14,790 the conventional liberals view of the CIA of right wing 667 00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:21,390 incendiary group. And I was amazed to discover, said this 668 00:45:21,390 --> 00:45:24,540 was far from the case that they were enlightened, liberal, 669 00:45:24,780 --> 00:45:29,580 nonpartisan, activists of the sort who characterized the 670 00:45:29,580 --> 00:45:35,070 Kennedy administration, for instance. Wow, 671 00:45:35,340 --> 00:45:39,090 I played that clip just to let people all people say, Oh, CIA, 672 00:45:39,090 --> 00:45:43,500 that's when you think CI you think American Dad, you know, 673 00:45:43,530 --> 00:45:47,610 that prototype. But these were very liberal thinking people 674 00:45:48,330 --> 00:45:54,780 that was passing around funds do to propagate their ideologies. 675 00:45:56,130 --> 00:46:02,790 With that said, One name that wasn't mentioned in the rundown 676 00:46:02,790 --> 00:46:06,960 of the radical black feminist was Michele Wallace. Have you 677 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,730 heard of Michele Wallace before? 678 00:46:09,810 --> 00:46:16,350 Yes, this name rings a bell. We talked about her before on the 679 00:46:16,350 --> 00:46:16,740 show. 680 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:22,860 a smidge it a smidgen. But it's she's very important to this 681 00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:30,750 narrative where we had yet okay. Michele Wallace. She is best 682 00:46:30,750 --> 00:46:36,150 known for her 1979 book, black macho and the myths of the super 683 00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:36,600 woman. 684 00:46:37,110 --> 00:46:40,680 Oh, yeah. Okay. And this is 685 00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:46,530 like one of the feminist Bibles for modern day third wave 686 00:46:46,530 --> 00:46:51,600 feminist. So it says here, I'm just going off the wiki here, it 687 00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:57,480 just says the macho black macho, was published in 1979. It 688 00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:01,740 criticized sexism in the black community and black nationalism 689 00:47:01,770 --> 00:47:07,920 in the 1960s. Remember, we had a show about Black Nationalism 690 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,220 when what Malcolm X was talking about, we need to be self 691 00:47:11,220 --> 00:47:15,000 sufficient. And all of a sudden, here comes this woman with this 692 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:23,490 book. Basically, tearing it down in a way she called it called 693 00:47:23,490 --> 00:47:29,820 demand hypermasculine hyper sexualized, in orange, really 694 00:47:29,820 --> 00:47:33,570 strong black women unfit that's what the Superwoman was, that 695 00:47:33,570 --> 00:47:37,590 wasn't in order in order only strong black woman unfazed by 696 00:47:37,590 --> 00:47:42,330 white racism, which is weird, because I don't want to get 697 00:47:42,330 --> 00:47:43,110 ahead of myself. 698 00:47:44,850 --> 00:47:47,100 Well, while you were talking, I'm listening. And I'm also 699 00:47:47,100 --> 00:47:49,260 looking through some of her career and I'm getting a much 700 00:47:49,260 --> 00:47:51,600 better picture of Miss Wallace here. 701 00:47:52,739 --> 00:47:58,439 I think the reason why she is lost to history. She is really 702 00:47:58,469 --> 00:48:02,279 her her work is out there, but her herself is lost to history. 703 00:48:02,519 --> 00:48:04,709 And the reason why I say that is they have no problem with the 704 00:48:04,709 --> 00:48:09,719 black macho part. But the Superwoman part is actually a 705 00:48:11,039 --> 00:48:17,519 archetype now. Right? Beyonce? Yes, an orderly strong black 706 00:48:17,519 --> 00:48:21,629 woman unfazed by white racism. Right. Which, what brings to 707 00:48:21,629 --> 00:48:29,609 mind to me is scandal. Olivia Pope. Hmm? Oh, like say Beyonce, 708 00:48:29,639 --> 00:48:31,709 Oprah Michelle Obama. Yeah, I 709 00:48:31,710 --> 00:48:34,860 mean, there's lots of lots of super women. 710 00:48:35,580 --> 00:48:39,630 Right? So I think they embrace the Superwoman part. So they 711 00:48:39,630 --> 00:48:42,330 didn't want to say the myth of the super warming. So I think 712 00:48:42,330 --> 00:48:45,030 that's like kind of got a slider to the side. And there were 713 00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:49,770 other reasons that we'll get into but, um, this is getting to 714 00:48:49,770 --> 00:48:51,990 the bio Miss Michelle Wallace. 715 00:48:52,199 --> 00:48:57,719 Oh, she became famous in 1979 when at 27, she published the 716 00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:02,039 book Black macho, and the myth of the super woman, a book in 717 00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:05,969 which she criticized black nationalism and sexism. She 718 00:49:05,969 --> 00:49:12,509 completed her PhD in 1999 at NYU and cinema studies. Her topic 719 00:49:12,539 --> 00:49:17,579 for a dissertation was passing lynching and Jim Crow, US visual 720 00:49:17,579 --> 00:49:23,879 culture 1895 to 1927, in which she wrote extensively about 721 00:49:23,879 --> 00:49:28,079 early film, including Uncle Tom's Cabin, Birth of a Nation 722 00:49:28,499 --> 00:49:32,759 and the silent films of Oscar mushroom. She's written a ton of 723 00:49:32,759 --> 00:49:37,289 books, her own books, but also she's been the editor of 724 00:49:37,289 --> 00:49:41,219 multiple values. She is a prep Professor currently at City 725 00:49:41,219 --> 00:49:46,589 College, New York and where she teaches every semester and this 726 00:49:46,589 --> 00:49:49,919 semester in the fall semester, she will be teaching a course on 727 00:49:49,919 --> 00:49:50,459 Toni 728 00:49:50,730 --> 00:49:57,810 Morrison. So that's her bio. And I know you guys like oh minute 729 00:49:57,810 --> 00:50:01,800 sound quality's horrible. Well, When I went to go deep with Miss 730 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,460 Michelle Wallace, the only interview I could find her on 731 00:50:05,460 --> 00:50:10,140 YouTube was some lady in her kitchen, interviewing her 732 00:50:10,770 --> 00:50:13,530 on Skype or something. Yeah, I could hear the did Yeah. Yeah. 733 00:50:13,740 --> 00:50:17,430 I know you were like, your audio file. So like, what the hell? 734 00:50:17,610 --> 00:50:20,400 But I mean that Well, that's it. So there's no she she's been 735 00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:21,630 marginalized. She's been 736 00:50:21,660 --> 00:50:27,750 whitewashed Dare I say I'm D White, all 737 00:50:28,380 --> 00:50:34,800 white ball. So, but that's weird. It's like the mother of 738 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,010 this book that was so poor. And it was pivotal. Not not and I'll 739 00:50:38,010 --> 00:50:42,780 get it wrong. It was two books. We're going to discuss in that 740 00:50:42,780 --> 00:50:46,320 time period. This being the first one. She admits she made 741 00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:50,520 the cover Miss magazine. That was a it was a huge thing. 742 00:50:53,610 --> 00:50:59,430 Yes, so do I. So she's, she's basically just, just not doesn't 743 00:50:59,460 --> 00:51:03,390 I mean, if you don't exist on YouTube, do you exist at all 744 00:51:03,390 --> 00:51:03,960 really? 745 00:51:05,550 --> 00:51:10,710 Is zactly if you don't have a body, I mean, because everybody 746 00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:14,280 has VHS tapes. They're uploading and yeah, I mean, listen to some 747 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:18,240 of the things we put on the show that were captured in, you know, 748 00:51:18,690 --> 00:51:22,500 the most obscure places. And this is modern day. I mean, 749 00:51:22,500 --> 00:51:25,170 think that interview May was like two or three years old. 750 00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:26,550 You're Skyping with 751 00:51:27,630 --> 00:51:30,750 me, she was also essence magazine's editor at large and 752 00:51:30,750 --> 00:51:37,800 83. Uh, huh. columnist for The Village Voice in the mid 90s. I 753 00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,040 mean, this is this is a published, she's published. But 754 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:45,720 even this stuff is like, oh, that's, I guess the, you know, 755 00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:49,110 and all because of the myths of the Superwoman part. Probably. 756 00:51:50,070 --> 00:51:52,560 That's what I assume. And there's other reasons that we'll 757 00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:53,490 get into. She's 758 00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,060 been really been canceled, like, for real? Yeah. 759 00:51:57,390 --> 00:52:03,180 Buried, buried in buried by history. But let's get into her 760 00:52:03,180 --> 00:52:03,870 legacy. 761 00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:08,010 So what do you want your legacy to be? Because, you know, 762 00:52:08,580 --> 00:52:12,720 everything is changing, but the work and the significance of 763 00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:16,800 your work is not changing your work is still significant, if 764 00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:23,400 not more than it was 2025 30 years ago. So what would you 765 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:24,870 like for your legacy to be? 766 00:52:26,370 --> 00:52:34,050 Well, I don't know. It saddens me somewhat that black macho, is 767 00:52:34,050 --> 00:52:38,640 still so deeply relevant for young black women. I mean, for a 768 00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:42,090 long time, I was in denial about that. You know, what could you 769 00:52:42,090 --> 00:52:45,630 all possibly know about what this was like? But apparently, 770 00:52:45,630 --> 00:52:47,010 it's still going on? 771 00:52:47,639 --> 00:52:52,739 And that sends me. Have you had a chance to read the book? 772 00:52:52,739 --> 00:52:55,259 Manage No. Mo? Have you come across it? 773 00:52:56,670 --> 00:52:59,580 No, I haven't came. I'm actually going to order a copy. 774 00:53:00,300 --> 00:53:02,970 I'm thinking I want to read this. Yeah, 775 00:53:02,969 --> 00:53:08,669 I actually do, too. I do too. I mean, I've saw numerous videos 776 00:53:08,699 --> 00:53:11,429 of people discussing the book and the impact it would have had 777 00:53:11,429 --> 00:53:14,699 on him, but I would like to read it for myself. No, I just gotta 778 00:53:14,699 --> 00:53:19,169 gotta find a time. I mean, just to be honest with you. But yeah, 779 00:53:20,069 --> 00:53:29,039 but at the same time. Oh, so she got lost in history. And I 780 00:53:29,039 --> 00:53:32,909 couldn't find anything else about her. I dug deep, 781 00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:36,750 deep now. I know eaten you do you research? No, no, there's no 782 00:53:36,750 --> 00:53:38,730 doubt about that. No doubt, no doubt. 783 00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:44,640 Interesting. But while digging for her, and clips on her, I 784 00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:50,280 found this clip and just to say to people take this speaker with 785 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:54,000 a grain of salt, but the content I have verified. 786 00:53:54,690 --> 00:53:59,100 In 1978, Gloria Steinem put a book called Black macho and the 787 00:53:59,100 --> 00:54:02,910 myth of the super woman on the cover of MS magazine. The book 788 00:54:02,910 --> 00:54:06,360 was written by a black feminist and activist named Michelle 789 00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,480 Wallace, who came out of nowhere. Wallace was in her 790 00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:13,020 early 20s At the time, as she was being touted as the leader 791 00:54:13,050 --> 00:54:16,890 of black feminism. In the book Wallace called abolitionists 792 00:54:16,890 --> 00:54:21,390 like Harriet Tubman and Sojourner Truth, ugly and stupid 793 00:54:21,390 --> 00:54:24,840 for supporting Black men. She called Black revolutionaries 794 00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:29,190 chauvinist macho pigs and advise black women to go it alone. 795 00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,820 Gloria Steinem said that Wallace his book would define the future 796 00:54:32,820 --> 00:54:35,790 of black relationships, and she pushed hard to make sure the 797 00:54:35,790 --> 00:54:39,300 book received massive publicity. Gloria Steinem's work triggered 798 00:54:39,300 --> 00:54:43,320 a flood of hate black men books and films that continues to this 799 00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:47,190 date. Needless to say, some are quite suspicious of MS magazine 800 00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:50,130 and Gloria Steinem. Why was Steinem sticking her nose into 801 00:54:50,130 --> 00:54:53,340 the affairs of the black community? So people started 802 00:54:53,340 --> 00:54:56,070 doing some research and stardom when it came out that Gloria 803 00:54:56,070 --> 00:54:59,070 Steinem was probably the ghost writer of the book with Michele 804 00:54:59,550 --> 00:55:02,700 Wallace. His name on it was had a nervous breakdown and went 805 00:55:02,700 --> 00:55:04,110 into hiding for two years. 806 00:55:04,140 --> 00:55:09,750 Oh, well, you are keeping this from me nice. Let's be very hard 807 00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:11,910 when I asked these questions, you already know what's coming 808 00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:18,330 up next. Oh, this is great. I had no idea about this. My mom 809 00:55:18,330 --> 00:55:23,340 was a big Gloria Steinem fan. I mean, she now I got to what do I 810 00:55:23,340 --> 00:55:25,950 have 15 years on you? 10 811 00:55:26,969 --> 00:55:29,699 I think she was icon for a lot of women. I mean, if you just 812 00:55:29,699 --> 00:55:33,959 take it at face value, as we take all the leaders, you know, 813 00:55:33,989 --> 00:55:37,589 um, you could say the same thing for me. Okay, whoever else, we 814 00:55:37,589 --> 00:55:42,059 don't understand the powers that are behind them, that are 815 00:55:42,059 --> 00:55:49,649 propelling them on the TV screen being what training is now. So 816 00:55:49,649 --> 00:55:54,719 to be on an front page of a popular magazine, that's kind of 817 00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,569 like trending number one on Twitter now, oh, in a way, 818 00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:03,000 but also Ms. Magazine, a black feminist, and certainly in that 819 00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,940 time, and it must have been phenomenal. And it's 820 00:56:05,940 --> 00:56:10,080 interesting, because everything that that I heard here would 821 00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,260 work perfectly in today's world, except for you know, the myth of 822 00:56:13,260 --> 00:56:16,590 the Superwoman, of course, but maybe they can do an abridged 823 00:56:16,590 --> 00:56:21,120 version of the book. Yeah. No myth. 824 00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,870 Yeah. Yes. Except it. It's like, yeah, no, you don't understand 825 00:56:24,870 --> 00:56:31,710 it. But I am this I am Superwoman. Yes. Yeah. So there 826 00:56:31,710 --> 00:56:41,070 we have it. Seems that she was backed by some nefarious agenda. 827 00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:46,140 Well, worse. This is claiming that that she was a phony, even 828 00:56:46,170 --> 00:56:49,230 that this book was written indirectly by the CIA. 829 00:56:50,550 --> 00:56:53,520 And you wonder if you wrote a killer book, you should be able 830 00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:57,210 to at least maintain a career as a writer. I'm not saying you 831 00:56:57,210 --> 00:57:00,240 mean, lightning long strike. Once you know, it never strikes 832 00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:03,690 twice. But you should be able to at least maintain it how other 833 00:57:03,690 --> 00:57:07,170 works. They'd be writing some stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that 834 00:57:07,170 --> 00:57:09,780 would at least, you know, keep your momentum going. But she 835 00:57:09,780 --> 00:57:10,620 just disappeared. 836 00:57:10,620 --> 00:57:17,010 Now. What would the benefit be? For the for the powers that be 837 00:57:17,010 --> 00:57:22,200 to do this? So if the CIA is supporting, is supporting this 838 00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:26,010 indirectly, or actually quite directly through Gloria Steinem, 839 00:57:26,010 --> 00:57:28,500 who may or may not have written it, but certainly promoted it? 840 00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:35,070 What is the agenda is the agenda again, just control. It's still 841 00:57:35,070 --> 00:57:35,760 controlling, we 842 00:57:35,790 --> 00:57:39,540 hang with me now. I'm here. Yeah, I'm no, no, no, I'm going 843 00:57:39,540 --> 00:57:42,270 to ask you a question. But I want you to think about it as in 844 00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:46,620 then and now. Okay. Okay, we're gonna go a couple few shows back 845 00:57:46,650 --> 00:57:51,240 when Malcolm X was talking about black people were not voting. 846 00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:55,800 And because that was black nationalism, right, not voting 847 00:57:55,800 --> 00:58:03,090 and door for ourselves and having our own thing. And then 848 00:58:03,090 --> 00:58:07,830 she comes out with this book attacking black nationalism. Oh, 849 00:58:07,860 --> 00:58:11,910 if a white person says Black Nationalism is bad, that doesn't 850 00:58:11,910 --> 00:58:15,240 really do anything. You know, I mean, it's like, yeah, of 851 00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,400 course. It's bad. I mean, it's not it's not good for you. 852 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:23,010 Second point. Gloria Steinem. She says she was surprised by 853 00:58:23,010 --> 00:58:26,910 what made up the CIA, you would think it'd be the super 854 00:58:26,910 --> 00:58:32,910 conservative organization. But it was really a large group of 855 00:58:32,910 --> 00:58:34,140 liberal thinking people. 856 00:58:34,170 --> 00:58:37,950 Right, right. Right. Right. Right. Right. So 857 00:58:37,980 --> 00:58:40,680 if Malcolm X says the Liberals are the problem, 858 00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:42,870 gotcha. 859 00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:48,870 That you've been voting for. He's got to go. And his ideology 860 00:58:48,870 --> 00:58:51,690 has to go with them. Because you mean you can kill the man. But 861 00:58:51,930 --> 00:58:55,650 the bigger thing is killing the ideology now. Now getting your 862 00:58:55,650 --> 00:59:01,830 time machine and come to 2020. All right, you can see while the 863 00:59:01,830 --> 00:59:05,400 black male patriarchy is under attack, again, because the black 864 00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:11,730 male patriarchy is loosely based in black nationalism in a way. 865 00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:16,710 And it's weird because you hear white nationalist, right. 866 00:59:18,090 --> 00:59:22,440 I was gonna say it's like, if I called you a black nationalist, 867 00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,710 that would make me a white nationalist. By default, you 868 00:59:25,710 --> 00:59:27,150 know, I'm saying, Yeah, it's 869 00:59:27,810 --> 00:59:30,720 really funny. And we're equal. We're equal and then the same 870 00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:31,020 people. 871 00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,710 Yeah, except I could get stoned to death for saying it. 872 00:59:36,750 --> 00:59:39,510 Yeah, well, it's the same sentiment towards me. Of course, 873 00:59:39,540 --> 00:59:42,810 no court. No, of course. No, of course, global good national 874 00:59:42,810 --> 00:59:45,570 bad, but it's holy crap. You know, most of 875 00:59:45,630 --> 00:59:49,320 it actually is a government plot. We're not We're not. We're 876 00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,570 not conspiracy theorists. We're not just paranoid. They're 877 00:59:51,570 --> 00:59:57,540 actually out to get us. Yes. I'm here to warn you. Thank you. 878 00:59:57,780 --> 00:59:59,970 Thanks. Just in time. 879 01:00:02,399 --> 01:00:07,859 All right, so um, where are we at? Okay, so for every polar 880 01:00:07,859 --> 01:00:10,949 that needs to be a polar opposite, thank you. And this in 881 01:00:10,949 --> 01:00:17,669 this same time, there was a lady named Shirzad i Li, and she 882 01:00:17,669 --> 01:00:22,289 wrote a book, a very pivotal book. Let me find the name of 883 01:00:22,289 --> 01:00:28,379 it. Very inflammatory book. Also, the black Man's Guide to 884 01:00:28,379 --> 01:00:34,349 Understanding the black woman. It was for this book, it was 885 01:00:34,349 --> 01:00:39,419 written in 1989. So that's, what 10 years later because as you 886 01:00:39,419 --> 01:00:45,329 heard the man, the speaker before say, Michele Wallace will 887 01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:52,349 set off a bunch of blackmail hate writing. So national one. 888 01:00:53,430 --> 01:00:58,350 I remember her I know you do. Well, also I was working in New 889 01:00:58,350 --> 01:01:05,490 York and then we're where our studios were was Donahue and 890 01:01:05,490 --> 01:01:08,820 Sally, Jessy Raphael. Maybe that's not Donahue, I think is a 891 01:01:08,820 --> 01:01:11,400 good example. And who's the other? The one who married 892 01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:16,830 Connie Chung, Maury, Maury Povich. She made Yes, yeah. I 893 01:01:16,830 --> 01:01:20,070 recognize that the head gear, like oh, yeah, I remember her. 894 01:01:20,610 --> 01:01:21,600 very iconic. 895 01:01:21,750 --> 01:01:25,920 She got she got like a lightning bolt. Yeah, yes. I was like, 896 01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,440 African Queen thing going on there. Yeah. 897 01:01:29,009 --> 01:01:34,889 Where she was hated. But let's listen to her. Geraldo, 898 01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,730 understandably created a firestorm of controversy within 899 01:01:38,730 --> 01:01:41,940 the black community. And we have assembled a distinguished group 900 01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:46,320 to debate its premise. And its message basically, that the 901 01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,530 black woman is responsible for most of what ails the black 902 01:01:49,530 --> 01:01:52,500 community. Now, before we get into what promises to be a 903 01:01:52,500 --> 01:01:55,200 passionate debate, I'd like to introduce you to Debbie 904 01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:58,470 Mitchell, the CO producer of this program. Debbie, I want to 905 01:01:58,470 --> 01:02:01,320 start. I know it's unusual. But I want to start with two 906 01:02:01,410 --> 01:02:05,010 questions to you the producer of the program. First of all, what 907 01:02:05,010 --> 01:02:07,410 do you think about the basic premise of the book that the 908 01:02:07,410 --> 01:02:09,840 black woman is responsible for most of what ails the black 909 01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:11,490 community? First of 910 01:02:11,490 --> 01:02:14,460 all, black men and black women knows that the black community 911 01:02:14,490 --> 01:02:18,900 is under strange right now. And for Shahara Zod, a black woman 912 01:02:18,900 --> 01:02:23,400 to basically attack Black women. I think that she's putting 913 01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,680 blame. It seems like she's putting blame on them for the 914 01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:27,030 state of the situation. 915 01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,690 Are you frightened by this book? I mean, are people reading it? 916 01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:34,440 Yeah, people are reading it is specifically the younger black 917 01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,080 males. I see a lot of them on the trains when I'm coming into 918 01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:39,390 where they're at their heads are glued to the book, and it's 919 01:02:39,390 --> 01:02:39,900 scary. 920 01:02:42,060 --> 01:02:48,750 It's scary airy. Okay, I didn't use much from that show for 921 01:02:48,750 --> 01:02:50,820 Harada. Except that introduction. That was the 922 01:02:50,820 --> 01:02:56,550 introduction. That's how the show started off. Right. Even he 923 01:02:56,550 --> 01:03:01,440 said is unusual. So you bring a guest on you don't let detail 924 01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,980 what you think the book is about. And you don't let the 925 01:03:04,980 --> 01:03:09,930 guest speak and you go to your block producer producer. Say 926 01:03:09,930 --> 01:03:12,330 this is kind of unusual, but I don't want to ask you two 927 01:03:12,330 --> 01:03:14,550 questions about this book that we haven't even talked about 928 01:03:14,550 --> 01:03:25,890 yet. That's not strange at all. Well, of course. Yeah. So they 929 01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:29,040 went in which she made the rounds. That's what she got all 930 01:03:29,580 --> 01:03:34,140 malerkotla Watch pretty much all of them, Geraldo, and they just 931 01:03:34,140 --> 01:03:39,780 said, Donahue. The 3d Head on YouTube was Geraldo Donahue and 932 01:03:39,780 --> 01:03:41,220 it was another one I can't remember. 933 01:03:41,220 --> 01:03:43,650 What's her deal? What is her background? Who Where does she 934 01:03:43,650 --> 01:03:45,780 come in from what? Well, her 935 01:03:45,780 --> 01:03:49,620 background is she's uh, she wrote several books. He's an 936 01:03:49,650 --> 01:03:57,210 author. This was her biggest book by far. She has come from 937 01:03:57,210 --> 01:04:01,920 the teachings of the Nation of Islam. Just to give you some 938 01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:07,650 perspective of her ideology, but yeah, it's, well, the thing I 939 01:04:07,650 --> 01:04:13,680 did, I kept digging. And I found this obscure interview she had 940 01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:21,660 with WFURWF su in 1991, which was like it's kind of like a 941 01:04:21,660 --> 01:04:28,440 public access channel. And she was seeing now what this black 942 01:04:30,060 --> 01:04:34,380 contemporary kind of professional female, so it was 943 01:04:34,380 --> 01:04:38,940 like, okay, it was a good it was a good long form interview. And 944 01:04:39,090 --> 01:04:42,420 let's get it to clip one from that segment 945 01:04:42,629 --> 01:04:47,099 refused to give and that led me to try to find out you know, 946 01:04:47,099 --> 01:04:49,229 we've always heard that the black man leaves the black 947 01:04:49,229 --> 01:04:52,619 family abandons his woman and children won't take care of the 948 01:04:52,619 --> 01:04:56,099 children won't work, stays out all night turns into a drunk 949 01:04:56,099 --> 01:04:58,859 takes drugs. Now we've heard a lot of negative things. Most of 950 01:04:58,859 --> 01:05:02,339 them are true, but I wanted to find out what happens before he 951 01:05:02,339 --> 01:05:05,669 gets to that point. What leads up to the breakdown, we've never 952 01:05:05,669 --> 01:05:08,729 gone back to try to find out what happens in the relationship 953 01:05:08,729 --> 01:05:11,819 between the black man and a black woman that makes him go 954 01:05:11,819 --> 01:05:15,059 off and do all of these bad things. To assume that this is 955 01:05:15,059 --> 01:05:18,449 just normal natural behavior for black men would be to assume 956 01:05:18,449 --> 01:05:21,899 that he is naturally bad. And I do not believe that the man that 957 01:05:21,899 --> 01:05:25,769 God gave to us as a mate is a naturally bad person. And so I 958 01:05:25,769 --> 01:05:30,539 wanted to try to examine what goes on with him. What's his 959 01:05:30,539 --> 01:05:31,769 side of story that 960 01:05:32,730 --> 01:05:34,620 asked you to write this book? 961 01:05:34,650 --> 01:05:38,580 Oh, no, no, no, certainly not. I think they were just as 962 01:05:38,580 --> 01:05:42,720 surprised as black when many of them approached the title of the 963 01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:47,400 book with a little apprehension, because they have not had a 964 01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,490 champion. We have never had a black woman who actually stood 965 01:05:50,490 --> 01:05:54,210 up and said, I'm standing up for the black man side of the story. 966 01:05:54,510 --> 01:05:58,620 We know what our side is. And both sides are true. We have 967 01:05:58,620 --> 01:06:01,140 done some very dreadful things to each other. And I don't 968 01:06:01,140 --> 01:06:04,680 exonerate black men, which is kind of a misconception that 969 01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:08,280 people have, I just say that we know his side. What about our 970 01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:09,960 side, and we do have a side. 971 01:06:12,660 --> 01:06:17,490 So that if you listen to the Geraldo clip, she's attacking 972 01:06:17,490 --> 01:06:18,450 black women, and 973 01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:20,460 I know it was very different was was. 974 01:06:22,110 --> 01:06:25,800 Now, two things I want to say first thing, some of the things 975 01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:30,720 in her book are very inflammatory. I'm not going to 976 01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:34,200 poopoo it and that like she, you're saying, No, some of the 977 01:06:34,230 --> 01:06:38,340 but I wanted to break perspective. So people can see, 978 01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:44,190 even in the 19, late 1980s, you had people saying, Hey, there's 979 01:06:44,190 --> 01:06:48,570 this divide is going on? And it's, you're saying it's very 980 01:06:48,570 --> 01:06:51,690 problematic for the black community? Yeah, 981 01:06:51,690 --> 01:06:52,770 what are you doing? 982 01:06:53,219 --> 01:06:56,999 And we might want to start looking at both sides, which is 983 01:06:56,999 --> 01:07:00,149 okay, you can say black men leave their kids and they're 984 01:07:00,149 --> 01:07:02,009 drunks and they're drug addicts is 985 01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:06,570 a generalization, white men, you know, get drunk and beat their 986 01:07:06,570 --> 01:07:09,420 wives and beat their children. I mean, that's also a 987 01:07:09,420 --> 01:07:10,440 generalization. 988 01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:17,010 This is true, but it's okay to say that every the whole world 989 01:07:17,010 --> 01:07:19,020 could say that about black men. They don't take care of the 990 01:07:19,020 --> 01:07:24,510 kids. I mean, it's like it's, it's a it's expected. If you 991 01:07:24,510 --> 01:07:27,690 tell in a, if you tell somebody you gotta dance, like, Oh, 992 01:07:27,690 --> 01:07:30,660 really? Like, okay, hold on, 993 01:07:30,660 --> 01:07:35,520 hold on. So that's, that's with black Americans. That's the 994 01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:37,350 word. That's the general thinking. Is that what you're 995 01:07:37,350 --> 01:07:41,070 telling me? Or you said the whole world is everybody. 996 01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:46,140 Yes, the whole world is everybody. Because that's the 997 01:07:46,140 --> 01:07:52,320 narrative. That's all you see. Maury has made a mint off of the 998 01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:56,280 paternity test game show. Let's be honest here. Yeah. 999 01:07:56,280 --> 01:08:03,870 Okay. No, you. Absolutely. That that was probably the Maury 1000 01:08:03,870 --> 01:08:09,600 Povich show, in particular, probably set black America back 1001 01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:14,460 by 20 years, just by that constant or let's not put it 1002 01:08:14,460 --> 01:08:18,000 back, but held it at a standstill in the 90s with that 1003 01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:22,740 bullcrap, mind you. Holy crap that was entertaining to watch. 1004 01:08:23,010 --> 01:08:26,940 But you're right. It was pretty much all black women doing it? 1005 01:08:26,940 --> 01:08:32,550 Yeah. Your Damn man. Ricki Lake. Yeah, another another final 1006 01:08:33,450 --> 01:08:36,690 season. Sorry, man. You know, he won't do anything. So. 1007 01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:41,220 Oh, well, it was. It was it was the paternity test, in 1008 01:08:41,220 --> 01:08:45,450 particular that wow. Yeah, you're right. And that just that 1009 01:08:45,450 --> 01:08:49,170 just exacerbated it? Oh, wow. never even thought about steel 1010 01:08:49,170 --> 01:08:53,370 goes on and still go. I tell people this all the time. About 1011 01:08:53,580 --> 01:08:57,360 and this is another great function of the show. If I'm a 1012 01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:01,290 white person, and I only watch broadcast television only 1013 01:09:01,290 --> 01:09:05,670 broadcasts I don't buy cable. This is where I get local news. 1014 01:09:05,670 --> 01:09:12,150 Black people do something bad. Then you go to your daytime 1015 01:09:12,150 --> 01:09:19,560 television, Jerry Maury. Steve what it will go Jerry Springer. 1016 01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:22,290 You know, black people don't take you black men don't take 1017 01:09:22,290 --> 01:09:25,830 care of the kids, black men. You know, these images I'm showing 1018 01:09:25,860 --> 01:09:31,710 all day. And then local New come on again. Right. Local news goes 1019 01:09:31,710 --> 01:09:35,970 off. I might get a family feud with Steve Harvey how he's 1020 01:09:35,970 --> 01:09:41,400 wanting to get black guys. And then law Law Order. Black man 1021 01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:44,370 killed somebody. Sounds like 1022 01:09:44,370 --> 01:09:48,510 a Dave jam packed full of fine entertainment mo 1023 01:09:49,770 --> 01:09:52,530 it's very it's very entertaining, but it's also 1024 01:09:52,530 --> 01:09:56,010 saturating your mental and if you don't have interactions with 1025 01:09:56,730 --> 01:10:01,260 real black people, that's the mentality that You have so much 1026 01:10:01,260 --> 01:10:06,900 so that even black people start to believe this. It's like, Oh, 1027 01:10:06,900 --> 01:10:09,660 yes. And then it becomes common like you asked before about 1028 01:10:09,660 --> 01:10:14,700 television where these thought processes come from it enters 1029 01:10:14,700 --> 01:10:18,690 through the television. We we've heard that on the previous shows 1030 01:10:18,690 --> 01:10:21,480 about no man house, what they say the kids locked into 1031 01:10:21,480 --> 01:10:24,480 projects, their only window out was what the television right? 1032 01:10:25,380 --> 01:10:30,300 Well, I find I am so fortunate that I was able to find one of 1033 01:10:30,300 --> 01:10:34,830 the few black men who was a stable family and is married and 1034 01:10:34,830 --> 01:10:39,960 has a mom and a dad and a job a job. I don't you may be dealing 1035 01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:43,020 drugs, but I'm not sure I think you have a real job as I'm 1036 01:10:43,020 --> 01:10:44,880 searching to take care of my kids. 1037 01:10:44,940 --> 01:10:45,630 Oh, no. 1038 01:10:45,660 --> 01:10:47,070 Just keeps on going. 1039 01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:51,330 How How was it possible? I don't know. Have 1040 01:10:51,330 --> 01:10:54,570 you done the 23andme this? I should have this kid to yours. I 1041 01:10:54,570 --> 01:10:55,260 just want to check. 1042 01:10:55,860 --> 01:10:57,840 right or am I'm sure I'm black. 1043 01:10:58,980 --> 01:11:01,620 Well, we had that question the other day. That was my case. 1044 01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:06,270 That was fantastic. On Twitter. We had seemed me it was just 1045 01:11:06,270 --> 01:11:09,690 trolling kind of but the guys like I liked the show, but I'm 1046 01:11:09,690 --> 01:11:12,360 not so sure most black and I don't want to have two white 1047 01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:19,380 guys talking about black issues. And most like Okay, right. But 1048 01:11:19,380 --> 01:11:22,050 then the guy fine. He then he posted a video of himself he 1049 01:11:22,050 --> 01:11:29,250 just adorable. I get I get you. But did you ask yourself? Was 1050 01:11:29,250 --> 01:11:31,110 that a picture? I don't I've never seen you. Is that a 1051 01:11:31,110 --> 01:11:31,860 picture of you? 1052 01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:35,550 That you posted? No, 1053 01:11:35,610 --> 01:11:40,290 that's what I thought Moza handsome guys had not. I can't. 1054 01:11:40,650 --> 01:11:41,790 It's not possible with 1055 01:11:41,790 --> 01:11:47,010 that. Oh, and it's not that I'm hiding. It's just that one. I 1056 01:11:47,010 --> 01:11:49,200 don't even take selfies. I think that's the most vague. 1057 01:11:49,260 --> 01:11:52,500 You don't you don't have to qualify yourself to anybody. No, 1058 01:11:52,500 --> 01:11:53,220 no, no, no. 1059 01:11:53,430 --> 01:11:56,580 That's the other thing. I mean, the more you double down on it, 1060 01:11:56,580 --> 01:12:00,120 the more bullheaded like that, so it ain't gonna work. 1061 01:12:00,210 --> 01:12:03,960 But, but to cue we say hello, we know you're listening. We know 1062 01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:04,470 you're here. 1063 01:12:05,010 --> 01:12:09,600 Yes, we know you're here. Thank you for joining us. So but 1064 01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:13,230 here's the problem. Go back to the Geraldo clip. What the lady 1065 01:12:13,230 --> 01:12:15,750 say I'll see him on the train the young black man's head 1066 01:12:15,780 --> 01:12:20,880 buried in his book. Well, Miss jars, i Lee has had a 1067 01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:25,440 reemergence on social media being YouTube, oh, black men, 1068 01:12:25,860 --> 01:12:29,010 black men are going through that same cycle again. It's like 1069 01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:34,530 what's going on? This is new, the old is new again. Yeah. And 1070 01:12:34,530 --> 01:12:38,040 she's getting speaking engagements and propagating her 1071 01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:42,510 message. But let's get back to exactly what their message is. 1072 01:12:42,510 --> 01:12:43,260 And clip two, 1073 01:12:43,770 --> 01:12:47,130 in saying all of this and as calling yourself a champion and 1074 01:12:47,250 --> 01:12:51,240 having if I may say the courage to write this book, and standby, 1075 01:12:51,270 --> 01:12:54,630 you've caused a stir this book is very controversial. What are 1076 01:12:54,630 --> 01:12:56,250 you hearing from public reaction? Well, 1077 01:12:56,249 --> 01:12:59,039 I don't think that it's an issue among black women about whether 1078 01:12:59,039 --> 01:13:02,459 or not the book is true or not the issues that I was not 1079 01:13:02,459 --> 01:13:06,389 supposed to tell. These are inside secrets and things that 1080 01:13:06,389 --> 01:13:09,839 we have never let our men know about. And many times we what is 1081 01:13:09,839 --> 01:13:14,159 that? We say? He can't handle me? Well, many times he can 1082 01:13:14,159 --> 01:13:16,319 handle us because he doesn't know what it is he's trying to 1083 01:13:16,319 --> 01:13:19,649 handle. He doesn't understand what motivates us. We have 1084 01:13:19,649 --> 01:13:23,699 become very adept, many of us as being able to do something right 1085 01:13:23,699 --> 01:13:25,919 in front of his eyes and then convince him that that's not 1086 01:13:25,919 --> 01:13:29,039 what he really saw at all. And that it didn't happen. That 1087 01:13:29,039 --> 01:13:30,899 we've been kind of confused. Excuse 1088 01:13:30,900 --> 01:13:35,910 me. Wow. What is that called? There's a term for it. 1089 01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:39,300 I call it psychological abuse. 1090 01:13:39,810 --> 01:13:48,180 Now, it's a it's a specific term used by MK Ultra. No, I'm gonna 1091 01:13:48,180 --> 01:13:51,390 give it to you yet, please. And you may want to listen to it 1092 01:13:51,390 --> 01:13:54,600 again. Maybe 30 It lasts 30 seconds in the clip. Okay, 1093 01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:55,380 gaslighting. 1094 01:13:56,100 --> 01:13:58,320 Oh, yeah, I've never used that term. Yes, of course. That's 1095 01:13:58,770 --> 01:13:59,490 exactly the 1096 01:13:59,490 --> 01:14:03,240 technical, the technical term, not not the way people use it 1097 01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:07,560 now. But the technical term of gaslighting is what she 1098 01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:08,070 explained 1099 01:14:08,100 --> 01:14:10,380 is exactly what you said. Yeah. Well, let me just in the last, 1100 01:14:10,620 --> 01:14:12,420 let's it's worth listening to us. 30 said, 1101 01:14:13,770 --> 01:14:17,340 he can't handle me. Well, many times he can't handle us because 1102 01:14:17,340 --> 01:14:20,040 he doesn't know what it is he's trying to handle. He doesn't 1103 01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:23,340 understand what motivates us. We have become very adept, many of 1104 01:14:23,340 --> 01:14:27,210 us as being able to do something right in front of his eyes and 1105 01:14:27,210 --> 01:14:30,000 then convince him that that's not what he really saw. And that 1106 01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:33,360 it didn't happen. We've been kind of confused. Excuse 1107 01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:39,480 me. Wow. was famous for that tactic. 1108 01:14:40,890 --> 01:14:44,940 Well, it was It wasn't supposed to be Donald Trump. No, yes. 1109 01:14:44,940 --> 01:14:51,480 He's intelligence agencies. That's what they do. 1110 01:14:54,000 --> 01:15:01,440 Oops. Yeah. That I'm also seeing You're right, she is having a 1111 01:15:01,440 --> 01:15:05,400 resurgence. She's back everywhere. She's only she's 1112 01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:09,000 only 65. So she's got a lot of spunk left to enter. 1113 01:15:10,530 --> 01:15:11,970 This year she does this 1114 01:15:12,420 --> 01:15:15,300 herb clip, this will be an important clip that the gospel 1115 01:15:15,300 --> 01:15:17,310 will just call it the gaslighting clip. That'll be an 1116 01:15:17,310 --> 01:15:18,000 important one. 1117 01:15:19,529 --> 01:15:23,939 So when somebody tell you, yeah, you did someone saying I didn't 1118 01:15:23,939 --> 01:15:29,609 do that. But what I just saw you just give for people that don't 1119 01:15:29,609 --> 01:15:32,309 know what gaslighting is, when you do something, then you act 1120 01:15:32,309 --> 01:15:35,639 like you didn't do it. And it confuses the person, their 1121 01:15:35,639 --> 01:15:39,239 senses. And it's like, where did it where was that behavior learn 1122 01:15:39,239 --> 01:15:42,839 from? Was that attack that passed down? Who knows, but it's 1123 01:15:42,839 --> 01:15:46,919 just she said it. I didn't say it. She said I just pointed it 1124 01:15:46,919 --> 01:15:47,249 out 1125 01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:52,860 the term just because it's nice to know. The term gaslighting 1126 01:15:53,190 --> 01:16:00,420 originated from a play in 1938 called gaslight in which a 1127 01:16:00,420 --> 01:16:03,690 character tries to make his wife believe. And this is 1128 01:16:03,690 --> 01:16:06,540 interesting, because that's why I probably wouldn't have come up 1129 01:16:06,540 --> 01:16:08,610 with gaslighting because traditionally, it's seen as 1130 01:16:08,610 --> 01:16:12,690 something men do to women. The character tries to make his wife 1131 01:16:12,690 --> 01:16:16,050 believe she's gone insane to cover his own criminal activity. 1132 01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:19,980 When he turns up the gas fueled lights in the upstairs apartment 1133 01:16:20,010 --> 01:16:23,550 in order to search for a murdered woman's jewels, the gas 1134 01:16:23,550 --> 01:16:26,400 lights in his own apartment grow dimmer, but he convinces his 1135 01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:31,260 wife, she's just imagining the change. That's where the term 1136 01:16:31,260 --> 01:16:32,370 gaslighting comes from. 1137 01:16:34,440 --> 01:16:36,720 Thank you for that little tip, because I didn't know where the 1138 01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:40,200 source of it came from. I just know it was a popular tactic. It 1139 01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:40,560 helps to 1140 01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:43,110 remember when you read these things I find once you've read 1141 01:16:43,140 --> 01:16:45,420 the etymology, then it helps. 1142 01:16:45,660 --> 01:16:48,450 Yeah, I won't forget that. I mean, it'll stick with me, but 1143 01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:51,630 that's what she just described. And now you have a man that's 1144 01:16:51,630 --> 01:16:58,380 confused. And you say Das. Let's not use the word. Man. What a 1145 01:16:58,380 --> 01:17:02,550 man typically do is does to a woman, let's say the dominant 1146 01:17:02,550 --> 01:17:08,190 party does to the subservient party. Yeah. Yeah, they flipped 1147 01:17:08,190 --> 01:17:11,070 the genders in our in our in our race, hello. 1148 01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:20,760 Spin, spin and yeah. Clip three. 1149 01:17:21,780 --> 01:17:25,680 In your book, you say that we are not bringing up our 1150 01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:28,980 daughters and our sons in a correct manner to respect their 1151 01:17:28,980 --> 01:17:29,550 father. No, 1152 01:17:29,580 --> 01:17:33,300 we're not. Unfortunately, as I say, since money has been used 1153 01:17:33,300 --> 01:17:36,810 as the measure. Many times if a black man does not have money to 1154 01:17:36,810 --> 01:17:39,600 give us, we won't even let him see his children. We won't let 1155 01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:41,790 him spend any time with it because he does not give us 1156 01:17:42,060 --> 01:17:44,160 whatever the child support is. And I'm not saying that we don't 1157 01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:47,400 need money to raise a child. But I tried to explain to black 1158 01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:50,790 women that raising a child consists of much more than 1159 01:17:50,790 --> 01:17:53,940 feeding clothing and sheltering it that's maintaining one to 1160 01:17:53,940 --> 01:17:56,940 raise one you need to return to the parental coalition of the 1161 01:17:56,940 --> 01:18:00,330 father and the mother to put the proper vase into the child. Many 1162 01:18:00,330 --> 01:18:03,780 of our boys, when we raise them alone, they grow up with the 1163 01:18:03,780 --> 01:18:07,770 female emotional mechanism. They are are suspicious, they are 1164 01:18:07,770 --> 01:18:10,440 doubtful. They're disrespectful of womanhood, they're bitchy, 1165 01:18:10,440 --> 01:18:13,920 they can't make a decision. In many of our girls who grew up in 1166 01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:16,170 a home where there is no man present, they go out into the 1167 01:18:16,170 --> 01:18:18,390 world and try to meet, they don't have any idea how to live 1168 01:18:18,390 --> 01:18:21,510 with a man day to day how to prepare a proper meal, how to be 1169 01:18:21,510 --> 01:18:24,780 a mother how to just be in love in the home, most of what our 1170 01:18:24,780 --> 01:18:27,150 people and our children especially have learned about 1171 01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:30,690 how you have a relationship, they learned off television, and 1172 01:18:30,690 --> 01:18:33,690 television doesn't represent our needs. And so a lot of the 1173 01:18:33,690 --> 01:18:36,930 confusion has come, you know, from outside agencies that we 1174 01:18:36,930 --> 01:18:40,260 have not recognized how detrimental it has been to us as 1175 01:18:40,260 --> 01:18:40,830 a people. 1176 01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:46,350 Yeah, TV is screwed everybody over but this is in this this 1177 01:18:46,350 --> 01:18:50,670 topic in particular. And then I and I, we're not done yet. But 1178 01:18:50,670 --> 01:18:54,180 for me, the takeaway is really going to be the DNA tests on the 1179 01:18:54,180 --> 01:18:58,800 Jerry Springer show and Maury Povich that it how destructive 1180 01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:02,970 that was. And all we did is sat there and laughed our asses off. 1181 01:19:04,890 --> 01:19:08,760 And there's two things that happened in the 19. I want to 1182 01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:15,960 say 90s That really changed. Paternity. And, and the jaw, 1183 01:19:15,990 --> 01:19:20,880 drug culture. One. And these were these were they were these 1184 01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:25,260 are seismic events. One you just mentioned the DNA test, because 1185 01:19:25,260 --> 01:19:28,680 before a father could just get up. I'm going to get a pack of 1186 01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:32,880 cigarettes. You never see him again. Right? Right. He didn't 1187 01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:35,010 have to take care of his kids that would that was like the 1188 01:19:35,010 --> 01:19:39,270 running. Black comedian joke. I'm a dad wouldn't you're sick 1189 01:19:39,270 --> 01:19:41,070 of cigarettes. I ain't seen him since and you know, that was the 1190 01:19:41,070 --> 01:19:46,470 thing. Right? But when DNA came about, now you which I think is 1191 01:19:46,470 --> 01:19:50,100 a great thing I have. I have three daughters. If anybody was 1192 01:19:50,100 --> 01:19:53,130 the father of children by one of them, I would want them to be 1193 01:19:53,130 --> 01:19:57,090 held responsible to take care of their their responsibilities. 1194 01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:05,100 But what it did was now Oh, as leverage is leveraged, it's 1195 01:20:05,100 --> 01:20:09,990 like, okay, I can prove you're the father. I go to court. We 1196 01:20:10,050 --> 01:20:13,980 spoke about this on other show. And then it made family court a 1197 01:20:13,980 --> 01:20:14,610 two. 1198 01:20:15,750 --> 01:20:20,280 Oh, no, I never watched that. But there's another one another, 1199 01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:24,660 the next piece of the puzzle, Family Court, 1200 01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:27,600 brother family court is now referred to as a collection 1201 01:20:27,630 --> 01:20:31,230 agency. And it's like, if you don't have my money, you won't 1202 01:20:31,230 --> 01:20:35,310 see the kids. And most of the time is not based off the kids 1203 01:20:35,460 --> 01:20:39,300 is based off of one party still wants to be with the other 1204 01:20:39,300 --> 01:20:43,260 party. And that party doesn't want to be with them. So I'm 1205 01:20:43,260 --> 01:20:45,960 gonna make your life hard. Yeah. As we heard, he's calling me 1206 01:20:46,290 --> 01:20:49,080 what's called weaponizing. The children right. 1207 01:20:49,650 --> 01:20:53,250 Now just met, can I go off on a tangent, little 32nd tangent 1208 01:20:53,250 --> 01:21:00,000 here? Oh, the drug culture. The drug culture used to date and be 1209 01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:06,450 violent. It was, okay. If I get caught with whatever drug XYZ, 1210 01:21:06,450 --> 01:21:09,960 whatever it is. I'll go do my two, three years and not come 1211 01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:13,380 home. Right. So when they started giving mandatory 1212 01:21:13,380 --> 01:21:22,650 minimums, 20 years, that's when it became violent. Yes, the time 1213 01:21:22,650 --> 01:21:27,240 is now the die. Yeah, you have to die because you can cause me 1214 01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:30,000 20 years in the federal penitentiary. I'm just going to 1215 01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:38,310 show you how these small changes in legal well as this is it had 1216 01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:39,270 ripple effects. 1217 01:21:39,480 --> 01:21:44,160 Yeah, well, and in general, these types of policies 1218 01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:47,940 decisions, like we've talked before, with, with busing to 1219 01:21:47,940 --> 01:21:51,810 schools, but the same could be said for the Federal Reserve and 1220 01:21:51,810 --> 01:21:55,440 their monetary policy. Guess what, these fuckers have no 1221 01:21:55,440 --> 01:21:58,410 clue. No one knows. We don't know what the unintended 1222 01:21:58,410 --> 01:22:02,400 consequences are. You just don't know. You can only learn from 1223 01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:06,870 the mistake. And I think, as we're learning here, a lot has 1224 01:22:06,870 --> 01:22:11,730 been learned from from these mistakes. Sadly, it seems like 1225 01:22:11,730 --> 01:22:15,150 they're going to be reimplemented for the same 1226 01:22:15,630 --> 01:22:21,930 political power games and gain and maybe even modernized to a 1227 01:22:21,930 --> 01:22:22,410 degree. 1228 01:22:23,460 --> 01:22:29,190 Well, luckily, Family Court hats change significantly. Because as 1229 01:22:29,220 --> 01:22:33,690 we as I said before, when we get when, when you get a call, we 1230 01:22:33,690 --> 01:22:38,340 get the flu. So now we've seen other races of men get drugged 1231 01:22:38,340 --> 01:22:39,930 through family court. It's like, oh, now we need to make a 1232 01:22:39,930 --> 01:22:43,650 change. Well, we've been dealing with this for I mean, and mostly 1233 01:22:43,650 --> 01:22:47,700 it's poor men. Because I mean, I'll say this last thing and 1234 01:22:47,700 --> 01:22:51,150 we'll go to the next clip. Donald Trump has worked five 1235 01:22:51,150 --> 01:22:55,890 baby mamas. Yeah, for baby mamas, yes. Something like that. 1236 01:22:56,400 --> 01:23:01,590 None of them have said anything bad about him. Because he can 1237 01:23:01,620 --> 01:23:06,120 provide. Yeah. So that goes to show you when you have the money 1238 01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:10,560 in the means you can't weaponize paternity against the man. Just 1239 01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:14,730 this just to point that out. But um, just get back on the TV show 1240 01:23:14,730 --> 01:23:22,050 daytime TV show. Wave. There's one guy that I love. And his 1241 01:23:22,050 --> 01:23:27,390 name is Mr. Judge Joe Brown. And he did an episode on unscripted, 1242 01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:32,550 scone TV unscripted. That podcast that I would just love 1243 01:23:32,550 --> 01:23:33,420 to share with you guys. 1244 01:23:33,749 --> 01:23:37,499 So let's talk about emasculation. Yeah, who is 1245 01:23:37,499 --> 01:23:38,159 behind it? 1246 01:23:40,020 --> 01:23:44,160 Right now, I would say that two people have been propagandized 1247 01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:48,570 for 50 year period. And a lot of people who don't even realize it 1248 01:23:48,570 --> 01:23:55,440 are behind it. The Nazis studied American movies in the American 1249 01:23:55,440 --> 01:23:58,230 movie industry, and they said they've got it going on with 1250 01:23:58,230 --> 01:24:02,820 propaganda. That propaganda used to be about doing the right 1251 01:24:02,820 --> 01:24:07,440 thing for the right reasons. What happened if you didn't 1252 01:24:07,440 --> 01:24:11,820 sometimes when you did the right thing, the nobility of suffering 1253 01:24:11,820 --> 01:24:15,870 the consequences for doing the right thing or the economy of 1254 01:24:15,870 --> 01:24:19,020 suffering the consequences for doing the wrong thing they were 1255 01:24:19,020 --> 01:24:24,000 laid out. So they took the American propaganda engine and 1256 01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:29,190 they refined it and they developed a precept that is very 1257 01:24:29,220 --> 01:24:33,240 evident today. Tell a lie long enough loud enough and you can 1258 01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:34,650 get anyone to believe it. 1259 01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:44,100 That's the whole self Global's propaganda that's not how you 1260 01:24:44,100 --> 01:24:50,280 pronounce the name. We all know Hold on a second. Let me go to 1261 01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:54,060 the Reverend owl for the Connect correct pronunciation of what I 1262 01:24:54,060 --> 01:24:58,380 would say is Goebbels. But here's Al Sharpton. Gurgel and 1263 01:24:58,530 --> 01:25:08,190 the third, right Yes. Gurgel very interesting that I don't 1264 01:25:08,190 --> 01:25:12,960 know if that's necessarily true that Google saw the the US 1265 01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:15,930 Hollywood machine and said that's, that's what we're going 1266 01:25:15,930 --> 01:25:20,130 to do that you guys got to go on on. I don't know. Personally, I 1267 01:25:20,130 --> 01:25:23,010 always thought it was the other way around. With Operation 1268 01:25:23,010 --> 01:25:26,370 Paperclip. We brought a bunch of those guys over including Verner 1269 01:25:26,370 --> 01:25:31,980 von Brown, and he went on to to create the space program. And I 1270 01:25:31,980 --> 01:25:39,780 think from there we got who was blanking now of Freud's. 1271 01:25:43,410 --> 01:25:46,020 If you want to sense that we covered him in the last show. I 1272 01:25:46,020 --> 01:25:47,730 mean, a previous show. 1273 01:25:49,470 --> 01:25:51,720 It'll come to air Bernays Edward Bernays. 1274 01:25:51,780 --> 01:25:54,660 Edward Bernays. Yes. Edward Bernays, you know, asked you 1275 01:25:54,660 --> 01:26:00,210 this question. Maybe we didn't have the payload. But we had the 1276 01:26:00,210 --> 01:26:01,080 delivery system, 1277 01:26:01,230 --> 01:26:05,250 for sure. Yes, you're right. Very good point. 1278 01:26:05,250 --> 01:26:09,510 And yeah. So they were like, wow, like, we could just put our 1279 01:26:09,630 --> 01:26:10,230 warhead 1280 01:26:10,410 --> 01:26:13,530 on. That delivery system was going to be 1281 01:26:13,530 --> 01:26:19,470 gangbusters. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So. Ah, yeah. So JoJo Brown. He's 1282 01:26:19,470 --> 01:26:24,750 very, very nice, um, has great insight. And he's another one. 1283 01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:29,490 What we're seeing here, Jason Whitlock. Judge Joe Brown. 1284 01:26:30,270 --> 01:26:37,320 Sheriff, Sheriff. Lee, these pro patriarch talking heads. I hate 1285 01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:39,150 to use that word, but I can't think of a better one. 1286 01:26:40,980 --> 01:26:44,820 resurfacing? Yeah, nobody's heard from Judge Joe Brown. I 1287 01:26:44,820 --> 01:26:48,540 mean, the years he was on daytime television, and, and and 1288 01:26:48,810 --> 01:26:51,840 very competitive. Does that give you perspective of how 1289 01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:56,190 successful he was? He was competitive with Judge Judy. And 1290 01:26:56,190 --> 01:27:01,440 writings. Yeah. So I mean, he was a very powerful voice. I 1291 01:27:01,440 --> 01:27:05,850 think that's why he was ran off TV. Because he had a very 1292 01:27:08,250 --> 01:27:13,110 patriarchy patriarchal centered viewpoint on things. Yeah, this 1293 01:27:13,110 --> 01:27:16,380 was not stand. That's that's not how Knox No, we can't gotta get 1294 01:27:16,380 --> 01:27:19,380 you all daytime television. You know, you're you're ruining the 1295 01:27:19,380 --> 01:27:23,340 message. And speaking on the message, let's get into clip 1296 01:27:23,340 --> 01:27:24,690 three. What happened to 1297 01:27:24,690 --> 01:27:26,880 the institution of marriage? That's 1298 01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:31,470 one of the problems back in the 60s we had women talking about 1299 01:27:31,470 --> 01:27:36,540 marriage was a form of slavery. So we had some like Nikki 1300 01:27:36,540 --> 01:27:40,140 Giovanni, the poet came to UCLA on at least two or three 1301 01:27:40,140 --> 01:27:41,250 occasions, and Jean 1302 01:27:41,250 --> 01:27:44,910 Nikki G. Nikki Giovanni, wonder young girl, black woman look up. 1303 01:27:44,910 --> 01:27:45,390 Yeah. 1304 01:27:45,390 --> 01:27:49,500 And she was expounding the idea that marriage was slavery. So if 1305 01:27:49,500 --> 01:27:53,640 you wanted to have children, get knocked up by somebody who was 1306 01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:59,070 smart and physically set out and don't even tell the sob he was 1307 01:27:59,070 --> 01:28:04,410 the daddy. Because the worst thing you could do would be to 1308 01:28:04,410 --> 01:28:08,160 involve a man in the role of a Father that would just mess 1309 01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:13,020 children up. So women hate men. They don't like the fact that 1310 01:28:13,020 --> 01:28:17,130 they've got X X chromosomes instead of x, y, and they feel 1311 01:28:17,130 --> 01:28:21,360 they're deprived Bay as best I can tell off of what I saw 50 1312 01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:23,130 years ago when it was developed. But 1313 01:28:23,130 --> 01:28:27,390 let me ask you this If men were so good to women, what caused 1314 01:28:27,390 --> 01:28:30,090 them to change and turn on men in that manner? 1315 01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:31,680 They had a bubble of safety. 1316 01:28:32,850 --> 01:28:37,980 Ooh, I was gonna say that's a great question. boggler Thanks, 1317 01:28:37,980 --> 01:28:41,070 safety bubble of safety. Yeah, another name. I have never heard 1318 01:28:41,070 --> 01:28:42,660 of Nikki Giovanni. 1319 01:28:43,740 --> 01:28:48,060 She she was in a class with the other women we we mentioned as 1320 01:28:48,060 --> 01:28:51,840 great writers, right. And when I say things about people, I don't 1321 01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:59,760 never want to tear down their skill. Very skilled writer. But 1322 01:28:59,970 --> 01:29:06,780 it's what your how your weaponizing are being used. And 1323 01:29:06,780 --> 01:29:12,300 I'm gonna use this term, and it's most academic way. useful 1324 01:29:12,330 --> 01:29:18,270 idiots. Right? Not you think you're doing the right thing 1325 01:29:18,270 --> 01:29:24,690 you're thinking you know? You think you're making changes or 1326 01:29:24,690 --> 01:29:27,990 decisions for the greater good, but then you end up duped later 1327 01:29:27,990 --> 01:29:28,920 on down the line. 1328 01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:35,220 She's also one of Oprah Winfrey is 25 Living Legends. 1329 01:29:37,050 --> 01:29:42,300 They equip school and even said the new young women look at me 1330 01:29:42,300 --> 01:29:48,360 you say Nikki Giovanni. That name holds weight. Kind of like 1331 01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:55,560 with Maya Angelou. Or, you know, will you say these names. I 1332 01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:59,490 mean, it's kind of like a rites of passage to read these books. 1333 01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:01,260 By certain demographics. 1334 01:30:01,590 --> 01:30:07,830 And by the way, Nikki Giovanni is a great DJ named Giovanni 1335 01:30:07,830 --> 01:30:08,490 with everybody. 1336 01:30:11,130 --> 01:30:16,200 Oh, so judge made a mission of women not needing men and I just 1337 01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:21,840 want to bring up this point. And then 1993 There was a movie came 1338 01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:27,000 out with Will Smith, Ted Danson and Whoopi Goldberg net called 1339 01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:31,590 Made in America. And it was about a black woman. She had 1340 01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:38,250 artificial insemination. And her daughter set out to find who her 1341 01:30:38,250 --> 01:30:41,310 father was who ended up being spoiler alert. Ted Danson, if 1342 01:30:41,310 --> 01:30:45,120 you have seen the movie in 30 years, I'm sorry to ruin it for 1343 01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:48,690 you. But, um, but also that just goes to show you that it was 1344 01:30:48,690 --> 01:30:55,260 prevalent in me going out and getting sent out only to Father, 1345 01:30:55,890 --> 01:30:59,610 right. And instead, and we'll be actually we're together in real 1346 01:30:59,610 --> 01:31:01,230 life, right? Yes. 1347 01:31:02,160 --> 01:31:07,320 And just to say one last thing on this topic. That is a insult 1348 01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:13,440 this lobbed at men of being a sperm donor. Right? Nothing. 1349 01:31:13,470 --> 01:31:16,350 You're only good for that? Yes. 1350 01:31:16,950 --> 01:31:18,030 Go to your cup. 1351 01:31:19,050 --> 01:31:22,530 Yep, that's Are you Are you not a father? Yes, you're out. 1352 01:31:22,530 --> 01:31:26,970 You're a sperm donor. So yeah, so it's kind of sad. But 1353 01:31:26,999 --> 01:31:34,349 by the way, when someone calls you baby daddy. To me, I don't 1354 01:31:34,349 --> 01:31:38,789 like these terms. I like baby mama, baby, baby. When you say 1355 01:31:38,789 --> 01:31:41,729 that, it's like baby daddy. So literally, like you're a sperm 1356 01:31:41,729 --> 01:31:44,159 donor. And you send a quid? 1357 01:31:44,160 --> 01:31:49,560 That's the equivalent equivalent. And what that cut, 1358 01:31:49,830 --> 01:31:53,160 that knife cuts both ways. Because when you say baby mama, 1359 01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:56,640 yeah, yeah, that's me. You're not good enough to be wife 1360 01:31:56,640 --> 01:32:00,960 material. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Totally. Sounds like so. So when 1361 01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:03,060 people use these terms, oh, irks me? 1362 01:32:03,390 --> 01:32:06,900 Yeah. I've never liked And now and now it's popular culture. 1363 01:32:06,900 --> 01:32:09,120 And it's kind of cool to say it and I don't like it. 1364 01:32:10,290 --> 01:32:13,890 Yeah, but it's not a good thing disrespectful. 1365 01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:16,440 No matter which way you say it. To me. It's disrespectful. 1366 01:32:16,770 --> 01:32:21,780 I totally I totally agree with you on that one. But let's 1367 01:32:21,780 --> 01:32:24,780 continue on with Judge Joe Brown for 1368 01:32:25,230 --> 01:32:29,220 have women shifted from relying on the man for their protection 1369 01:32:29,250 --> 01:32:33,660 to the state to the police. And to the state. The state with the 1370 01:32:33,660 --> 01:32:38,010 police is representative of the state solely so the women now 1371 01:32:38,010 --> 01:32:41,370 have displaced the man's traditional role with the 1372 01:32:41,370 --> 01:32:42,060 government. 1373 01:32:42,180 --> 01:32:46,860 Yes, what happens is the inner city is becoming has become a 1374 01:32:46,860 --> 01:32:51,000 matriarchy. And that's one of the problems we have in terms of 1375 01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:57,300 community police relations is the order primary order in any 1376 01:32:57,300 --> 01:33:01,140 healthy community, typically throughout history came from the 1377 01:33:01,140 --> 01:33:05,730 masculine component. Now the masculine component has not been 1378 01:33:05,730 --> 01:33:09,210 trained in masculinity, so they don't keep public piece dignity 1379 01:33:09,210 --> 01:33:14,760 in order. And you have the police come in. Yeah, this is a 1380 01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:18,930 lesson. Go ahead. And let's not forget, this is not just Boomer 1381 01:33:18,930 --> 01:33:23,760 talk, for the judge, because Jay Z made a similar statement, 1382 01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:26,490 which we covered on a previous show as well, about the 1383 01:33:26,490 --> 01:33:32,160 interaction between children that were weren't raised with 1384 01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:34,440 authority figure in the household and their interactions 1385 01:33:34,440 --> 01:33:35,220 with police. 1386 01:33:37,170 --> 01:33:42,960 There is overall a western culture thing i i noticed that a 1387 01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:46,380 lot in America and I've lived in a couple different countries, is 1388 01:33:46,380 --> 01:33:49,410 this intermediary, we have a we have an intermediary for 1389 01:33:49,410 --> 01:33:54,990 everything. It's like you got a problem, like, you know, problem 1390 01:33:54,990 --> 01:33:57,750 with your neighbor. If you don't go over and say, Hey, neighbor, 1391 01:33:57,780 --> 01:34:01,380 let's talk about this now. polies right away, it's all we 1392 01:34:01,380 --> 01:34:05,160 all want have someone else who we pay for with our taxes come 1393 01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:08,460 in and fix the problem. Like it's like the homeless is same 1394 01:34:08,460 --> 01:34:11,820 thing. Well, that should just be fixed by the you know, what, 1395 01:34:11,850 --> 01:34:16,140 come on, I pay for this fix it. Where's my intermediary to go 1396 01:34:16,140 --> 01:34:19,890 and fix it must be some, you know, some kind of nonprofit or 1397 01:34:19,890 --> 01:34:23,940 someone does something around here. That's an overall problem. 1398 01:34:23,970 --> 01:34:27,750 But I like totally see what what the judge was getting at here in 1399 01:34:27,750 --> 01:34:28,980 this specific example. 1400 01:34:30,270 --> 01:34:36,090 And one thing that's lost or either ignored purposely is 1401 01:34:36,120 --> 01:34:41,580 okay, so you have two parents of a child, and that Father, for 1402 01:34:41,580 --> 01:34:45,780 whatever reason has fallen behind on his child support 1403 01:34:45,780 --> 01:34:46,620 payments, correct, 1404 01:34:46,650 --> 01:34:47,460 deadbeat. 1405 01:34:48,780 --> 01:34:51,540 But how does how does the mother collect 1406 01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:54,120 through the court system and the the police? 1407 01:34:55,260 --> 01:34:58,920 Correct, but at the very exact same time they're saying the 1408 01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:03,750 police is shooting out Black man dead in the streets here. But 1409 01:35:03,750 --> 01:35:08,490 when it's time to get collect your money, 1410 01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:13,260 let's save those racist cops over there. Yes, yeah. 1411 01:35:14,160 --> 01:35:17,280 And mass incarceration the same thing because if you can't pay 1412 01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:21,420 and visually can't pay off for whatever reason you hit me all 1413 01:35:21,420 --> 01:35:25,380 man hit hard times, for once or twice in life. I mean, it's just 1414 01:35:25,380 --> 01:35:30,420 a fact of life. If that happens to happen to you, then what what 1415 01:35:30,420 --> 01:35:35,790 happens? You become part of the prison industrial complex. Yeah, 1416 01:35:36,210 --> 01:35:41,040 at the hands of not being a sustaining father. Now, I will 1417 01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:46,530 say this. Man had to be more responsible because this is not 1418 01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:51,270 a beat up on one side or the other show. This is to you made 1419 01:35:51,270 --> 01:35:55,740 a valid, great, great, great point. Keeping that person that 1420 01:35:55,740 --> 01:35:59,310 middleman out of the conversation. Work with each 1421 01:35:59,310 --> 01:36:02,790 other? Yeah, for as long as possible, of course, right? Man? 1422 01:36:02,790 --> 01:36:05,370 No, you know, your responsibility, man. I'm talking 1423 01:36:05,370 --> 01:36:10,380 to man out there. Brothers, the patriarchy. You know, your 1424 01:36:10,380 --> 01:36:14,070 responsibility when you create a child, if you want to be part of 1425 01:36:14,070 --> 01:36:19,260 that patriarchy been the number one rule is providing. But as I 1426 01:36:19,260 --> 01:36:22,920 stated before, often we all hit hard times in life and 1427 01:36:22,920 --> 01:36:29,610 hardships. If a person is able to work with that person, 1428 01:36:29,910 --> 01:36:33,330 mothers work with the Father and say, Okay, I know you're on a 1429 01:36:33,330 --> 01:36:37,020 hard time right now. But you can catch me later. But getting that 1430 01:36:37,620 --> 01:36:41,430 denying that child visitation denying that child not I said 1431 01:36:41,430 --> 01:36:45,360 that purposely denying the child the visitation not Not, not the 1432 01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:49,050 father. Yeah. But you know, it drives a wedge in the bad mouth, 1433 01:36:49,050 --> 01:36:53,430 the father, it just is just work with each other, came for stayed 1434 01:36:53,430 --> 01:36:57,300 out of your out of your family, and you won't have that war your 1435 01:36:57,300 --> 01:36:58,440 household. So 1436 01:36:58,829 --> 01:37:02,399 while we're talking about it, how does this who's out there 1437 01:37:02,399 --> 01:37:05,729 trying to change this message or trying trying to propagate the 1438 01:37:05,729 --> 01:37:08,669 message that you just gave? Basically, who's who's out 1439 01:37:08,669 --> 01:37:12,269 there? I mean, we know what powers are at work to undermine 1440 01:37:12,269 --> 01:37:15,449 all of this is aware of the good guys? 1441 01:37:16,500 --> 01:37:20,670 Were here's here's the solution that's cropping up. Don't trust 1442 01:37:20,670 --> 01:37:23,640 women? I don't want anything do it to do it. Women? That's no 1443 01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:24,270 good, either. 1444 01:37:24,270 --> 01:37:26,760 That's not a great solution. 1445 01:37:27,539 --> 01:37:30,629 Yeah, you're playing right into the depopulation game, right. 1446 01:37:31,019 --> 01:37:34,649 Which, I mean, which is the long game here, ultimately, and it's 1447 01:37:34,649 --> 01:37:40,109 just, it's just this continual distrust. But where's it 1448 01:37:40,109 --> 01:37:42,989 stemming from? I mean, you guys had to like each other at some 1449 01:37:42,989 --> 01:37:45,989 point. I mean, if you procreate, it will mean each other. So 1450 01:37:46,739 --> 01:37:51,239 whether it's these expectations, it's the more I call it, the 1451 01:37:51,239 --> 01:37:57,569 more syndrome. Yeah. It's a game show. It's a game, it's a game 1452 01:37:57,569 --> 01:38:00,359 show, I'm not the Daddy, oh, they run off the backstage, you 1453 01:38:00,359 --> 01:38:03,689 know, or you are a data, you know, it's like a dance, you 1454 01:38:03,689 --> 01:38:06,389 know, it's like, What in the hell is going on here? You know, 1455 01:38:06,389 --> 01:38:06,809 there should 1456 01:38:06,810 --> 01:38:10,320 be a study should be done a university, you know, like a 1457 01:38:10,350 --> 01:38:16,590 proper study of the effect of those particular shows, on black 1458 01:38:16,590 --> 01:38:18,060 America in particular. 1459 01:38:20,790 --> 01:38:21,930 I bet somebody 1460 01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:25,740 that will show you some real devastation, man, they really 1461 01:38:25,740 --> 01:38:30,120 will. Then also just what it's the whole positioning of it, 1462 01:38:30,450 --> 01:38:33,150 just forget about what's happened to actual black black 1463 01:38:33,150 --> 01:38:35,850 families, and potential black families because that's what 1464 01:38:35,850 --> 01:38:39,870 most of those who are potential families, the perception amongst 1465 01:38:39,870 --> 01:38:44,940 the rest of the world. Jerry Springer wasn't just in America. 1466 01:38:45,450 --> 01:38:48,690 This was adored by people in Europe. They'd stay up until 1467 01:38:48,690 --> 01:38:51,240 three in the morning to watch this. They couldn't believe what 1468 01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:53,760 was going on. They thought it was so cool. He's looking he's 1469 01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:59,490 crazy nut jobs in America. But subliminally all along, I would 1470 01:38:59,490 --> 01:39:02,820 say on those shows 95% Black 1471 01:39:04,860 --> 01:39:07,920 especially in our morning, here's the other thing. We you 1472 01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:13,080 get to one name, recognition. Yeah. In America that tells you 1473 01:39:13,080 --> 01:39:17,520 the influence you have. Yep. And when you say Maury people know 1474 01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:24,330 exactly what it is. Yep. And it has it has a certain stigma to 1475 01:39:24,330 --> 01:39:32,670 it. But yeah, so let's continue on with Joe. Clip. 23. 1476 01:39:33,659 --> 01:39:38,429 A black woman would in turn play the womanly role to a white man 1477 01:39:38,429 --> 01:39:41,129 that she wouldn't play to him. Yes. And as black men if she's 1478 01:39:41,129 --> 01:39:43,619 been subjected to this sort of program, yeah, but 1479 01:39:43,620 --> 01:39:48,900 it's deeper than that is a cultural vein. Pimps commonly 1480 01:39:48,900 --> 01:39:52,200 run this game but it's a feminine game that black women 1481 01:39:52,200 --> 01:39:56,880 are taught. I got to break him down the side. Yeah, girl. Got 1482 01:39:56,880 --> 01:40:02,370 to tear him down and manage both pieces. I see this the same way 1483 01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:05,880 a pimp does, he takes the woman who's susceptible to that and 1484 01:40:05,880 --> 01:40:10,230 breaks it down into manageable pieces, he tears it down. And 1485 01:40:10,230 --> 01:40:14,610 that's what you find is a cultural thing going back. Well, 1486 01:40:14,610 --> 01:40:21,450 that was advocated in the 1710 1708 pamphlet that I read 1487 01:40:21,450 --> 01:40:24,450 in the Library of Congress, or at least on microfilm, and it 1488 01:40:24,450 --> 01:40:30,540 was repeated over and over and over again. So what Judge is 1489 01:40:30,540 --> 01:40:36,270 referring to is the is the willie Lynch papers, which I 1490 01:40:36,270 --> 01:40:40,050 haven't really painted. Now, if his was real, or a piece of 1491 01:40:40,050 --> 01:40:43,650 propaganda that was circulated in the black community, or if it 1492 01:40:43,650 --> 01:40:46,140 was actually a real paper, he said he read it in the Library 1493 01:40:46,140 --> 01:40:51,240 of Congress. I don't know. But what it what it included was, 1494 01:40:51,540 --> 01:40:57,180 you had to do Dr. Old against young, light against dark, male 1495 01:40:57,180 --> 01:41:01,350 against female, all the things we talked about in the show. So 1496 01:41:01,740 --> 01:41:05,190 even if it's a piece of propaganda, and not really a 1497 01:41:05,250 --> 01:41:08,430 actual historical document, the content of it 1498 01:41:09,750 --> 01:41:16,530 is accurate. Now, you cannot assume the I even knew what the 1499 01:41:16,530 --> 01:41:18,900 hell the willie Lynch papers were about. 1500 01:41:19,590 --> 01:41:23,610 Right? And okay, the willie Lynch paper, I can't describe 1501 01:41:23,610 --> 01:41:27,900 it. But it was a what was said to be this god named last name 1502 01:41:27,900 --> 01:41:33,240 Lynch. And they said, it's what lynching comes from, oh, he had 1503 01:41:33,240 --> 01:41:37,920 this pamphlet of how to make a slave to go around to the slave 1504 01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:42,300 owners and say, Okay, this is how you because ordinarily, the 1505 01:41:42,300 --> 01:41:45,990 slave outnumber the owners of the plantation that slave 1506 01:41:45,990 --> 01:41:52,950 masters and overseers and family are the art of those people. So 1507 01:41:52,950 --> 01:41:58,590 to keep a slave rebellion for happening, you had to keep the 1508 01:41:58,590 --> 01:41:59,490 slaves divided. 1509 01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:05,280 It was basically the manual for your group of slaves. Yes, 1510 01:42:05,310 --> 01:42:08,400 congratulations, man. slave owner here, here's your slaves. 1511 01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:10,710 And here's the manual on how to manage them. 1512 01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:15,480 Yes, man. Yes. Wow. And that that's the house Negro versus 1513 01:42:15,510 --> 01:42:20,220 field Negro, which was like dark, old against young you saw 1514 01:42:20,220 --> 01:42:21,240 that and roots with, 1515 01:42:22,050 --> 01:42:26,010 I gotta tell, I gotta tell you, I had never heard of this, I 1516 01:42:26,010 --> 01:42:31,020 feel somewhat embarrassed. But I'm glad. No bugs. That's just 1517 01:42:31,020 --> 01:42:35,790 how I feel. I'm bringing it up. And of course, I've gotten into 1518 01:42:35,790 --> 01:42:38,670 the habit of everything we talked about on the show, I'll 1519 01:42:38,670 --> 01:42:40,740 get some links, and I'll put them into the show notes. So 1520 01:42:40,740 --> 01:42:45,240 please do check the show notes. You can see each show note page, 1521 01:42:45,270 --> 01:42:48,780 you know, has a lot of Wikipedia entries, but all these different 1522 01:42:48,780 --> 01:42:52,680 names, you can kind of jumping off point from there. But this 1523 01:42:52,680 --> 01:42:56,040 also just like we, we learned about gaslighting. Well, you 1524 01:42:56,040 --> 01:42:58,530 learned about gaslighting. I didn't know that lynching comes 1525 01:42:58,530 --> 01:42:59,250 from this. 1526 01:43:00,390 --> 01:43:03,690 Yes, that's where it said to come from. And like I said, 1527 01:43:03,960 --> 01:43:07,590 there's debate where the validity of it but I'm not 1528 01:43:07,590 --> 01:43:13,530 talking about the actual doesn't matter. I'm talking about how it 1529 01:43:13,530 --> 01:43:18,270 was done, how it's done and put in what's done. And it's clear 1530 01:43:18,270 --> 01:43:22,410 as day we've covered every one of those divisions on this show 1531 01:43:22,410 --> 01:43:26,790 and multiple episodes. Yes. And we're back again on the man 1532 01:43:26,790 --> 01:43:32,490 versus woman. But yeah, I mean, so that's Judge Joe Brown for 1533 01:43:32,490 --> 01:43:38,250 you. Um, I mean, he is a great source of historical facts very, 1534 01:43:38,280 --> 01:43:42,060 very well read, well educated, you know, I mean, he's a judge, 1535 01:43:42,060 --> 01:43:47,550 of course, though, but yeah, so you're just seeing the older 1536 01:43:48,150 --> 01:43:51,420 generation is starting to speak to the younger generation. Yeah. 1537 01:43:53,220 --> 01:43:57,750 So not sure if I have a duplicate clip, but let's just 1538 01:43:57,750 --> 01:44:00,960 listen to 24. And see, I'll get into that. 1539 01:44:02,700 --> 01:44:09,360 And, and why. What is so what it sounded like to me judge is that 1540 01:44:10,170 --> 01:44:14,460 black women are constantly being elevated and promoted, whether 1541 01:44:14,460 --> 01:44:18,510 it be in politics, as now you see all these women mayor's 1542 01:44:18,510 --> 01:44:24,270 around the country and state of Georgia, or on activism, black 1543 01:44:24,270 --> 01:44:27,480 women started Black Lives Matter. They are the go to 1544 01:44:27,480 --> 01:44:32,280 people to be elevated by people outside our community, which 1545 01:44:32,280 --> 01:44:37,140 diminishes the value of black men. And it also causes black 1546 01:44:37,140 --> 01:44:43,890 women to look outside of black men for the protection and 1547 01:44:43,890 --> 01:44:47,610 providing that they should get from us is that was that was 1548 01:44:47,610 --> 01:44:48,060 going on. 1549 01:44:50,310 --> 01:44:57,060 Willie Lynch William Lynch, West Indies planter said that one of 1550 01:44:57,060 --> 01:45:04,140 the secrets to causing the slave to domesticate themselves, is 1551 01:45:04,140 --> 01:45:10,200 conditioning the black female to understand that she could not 1552 01:45:10,200 --> 01:45:15,960 get safety, protection and provision from her males, and 1553 01:45:15,960 --> 01:45:19,830 only look to white males to do it that goes back the first time 1554 01:45:19,830 --> 01:45:22,620 I saw that was in the 1710 PAMPs. So 1555 01:45:22,620 --> 01:45:25,440 that creates a natural enmity Oh, 1556 01:45:25,470 --> 01:45:28,680 it's a cultural thing that's been imposed on us. So, 1557 01:45:29,070 --> 01:45:33,810 black woman would in turn, play the womanly role to a white man 1558 01:45:33,810 --> 01:45:36,300 that she wouldn't play to him. Yes. And then as black men if 1559 01:45:36,300 --> 01:45:39,120 she's been subjected to this sort of problem, yeah, but it's 1560 01:45:39,120 --> 01:45:39,870 deeper than that 1561 01:45:39,900 --> 01:45:45,630 is a cultural thing. Pimps commonly run this game, but it's 1562 01:45:45,630 --> 01:45:49,710 a feminine game that black women are taught. I gotta break him 1563 01:45:49,710 --> 01:45:54,330 down the side. Yeah, okay, I want to make this point. Because 1564 01:45:54,330 --> 01:45:58,380 I don't want to seem like it's piling on. There are a lot of 1565 01:45:58,380 --> 01:46:02,730 women of all races, especially black women that are 1566 01:46:02,730 --> 01:46:07,080 appreciative of the patriarchy, because they're made to feel 1567 01:46:07,080 --> 01:46:13,320 safe and protected. And provided for, but where it clashes is 1568 01:46:13,320 --> 01:46:18,630 when they deal with their fellow sisters of a different mindset. 1569 01:46:19,050 --> 01:46:23,190 They're ashamed. And one of the things I've noticed in America 1570 01:46:23,220 --> 01:46:29,490 as we shame stay at home moms, is sickening. It's like, oh, so 1571 01:46:29,490 --> 01:46:34,470 what do you do? I'm a stay at home mom. Oh, you get that? Oh, 1572 01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:36,450 yeah, this is that meanwhile, this 1573 01:46:36,450 --> 01:46:39,660 is goes back to the same period and it goes all goes back to 1574 01:46:39,660 --> 01:46:43,050 Steinem and before. Yeah, it's part of the same thing. 1575 01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:48,870 And the reason why I say that is it's a, it's an well known 1576 01:46:48,870 --> 01:46:53,730 saying cliche. The Hand That Rocks, the cradle, is the hand 1577 01:46:53,730 --> 01:46:57,360 that rules the world. So if you really want to inspire and bring 1578 01:46:57,360 --> 01:47:02,520 about change, it's the mothers that can do it. And it's what 1579 01:47:02,520 --> 01:47:07,410 they teach their sons at a young age, and who they select to have 1580 01:47:07,410 --> 01:47:13,050 their sons by. That's how you change society. Now women have a 1581 01:47:13,050 --> 01:47:18,150 lot of power. Let's not get this twisted. It's the fact that 1582 01:47:18,300 --> 01:47:26,070 these sick people know their flaw is their emotional 1583 01:47:26,070 --> 01:47:32,460 heartstrings. And they pluck them. Yeah. To make them feel 1584 01:47:32,460 --> 01:47:37,530 inferior to make them feel less than because they stay at home 1585 01:47:37,530 --> 01:47:43,470 and they want to be taken care of. Not in a sense of provided 1586 01:47:43,470 --> 01:47:47,310 for but it's like, that's a symbol of love. And just ladies 1587 01:47:47,490 --> 01:47:52,230 a little man inside baseball a way a man shall he loves you is 1588 01:47:52,230 --> 01:47:57,390 how he provides for you. Is that a fair statement? Adam or no? 1589 01:48:01,170 --> 01:48:02,760 How he provides? 1590 01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:03,720 I don't know. 1591 01:48:04,079 --> 01:48:07,559 I'm not talking about monetarily. No, no, no, totally. 1592 01:48:08,399 --> 01:48:14,159 Changing the tire? I mean, like, I fix that. Yeah. Yeah, let's 1593 01:48:14,429 --> 01:48:16,229 look at what I can do for you. 1594 01:48:16,260 --> 01:48:21,210 Oh, I think that yeah, that's, that's a very natural masculine 1595 01:48:21,210 --> 01:48:24,240 trait to want to do. Yeah, of course. I'll take care of that. 1596 01:48:24,450 --> 01:48:26,820 I'll get the bug. I'll get the spider. Right. 1597 01:48:26,820 --> 01:48:28,920 Exactly, exactly. I'll get that thing book. 1598 01:48:29,820 --> 01:48:35,940 Now I do I do want to say in our house. We have an equality. 1599 01:48:36,780 --> 01:48:41,790 Right, which is based on hygiene. Everybody closes the 1600 01:48:41,790 --> 01:48:47,910 lid. Oh, yes, please. It makes it so easy. First of all, I 1601 01:48:47,910 --> 01:48:51,390 would say it's smarter to flush the toilet with the lid closed. 1602 01:48:52,140 --> 01:48:54,900 Once you've seen the studies of what is floating around. 1603 01:48:55,620 --> 01:48:57,510 That's all poop. Yeah, I'm aware. 1604 01:48:58,590 --> 01:49:02,190 It really is quite disgusting when you know, but it ends any 1605 01:49:02,190 --> 01:49:05,370 debate it ends any in you know, fallen into the toilet in the 1606 01:49:05,370 --> 01:49:08,940 middle of the night, which is not a good thing. You know, all 1607 01:49:08,940 --> 01:49:12,900 these things. It ends it if you just everyone just you done 1608 01:49:12,960 --> 01:49:17,580 whatever you did. Close the lid. Flush. Good to go. save 1609 01:49:17,670 --> 01:49:18,330 everybody. 1610 01:49:19,230 --> 01:49:25,710 But what's the name of the 1980s 90s romantic movie? That 1611 01:49:25,710 --> 01:49:30,870 guy spends $100 trying to knock down some milk jugs. So when the 1612 01:49:30,870 --> 01:49:35,190 girl oversized teddy bear, right? Yes, of course. It's not 1613 01:49:35,190 --> 01:49:37,560 about money because he could have easily went and bought one. 1614 01:49:37,590 --> 01:49:40,680 It's like I did that. You know and I want my woman to walk 1615 01:49:40,680 --> 01:49:45,360 around with a teddy bear at the fair show. I did this for her 1616 01:49:45,570 --> 01:49:51,450 that also it's it would that ancestral it goes back to you 1617 01:49:51,450 --> 01:49:56,070 know the hunter gatherer versus I mean the hunter gatherer and 1618 01:49:56,070 --> 01:49:59,220 us that you know, we came back with the with the keel. 1619 01:49:59,400 --> 01:50:02,610 Well, we've been Oh, Run by, you know, the same messaging 1620 01:50:02,610 --> 01:50:07,500 machine, the same delivery mechanism is overrun by people 1621 01:50:07,500 --> 01:50:10,680 with a clear agenda, who, you know, are using the same 1622 01:50:10,680 --> 01:50:13,230 mechanism to tell you that you that that's not okay. And that's 1623 01:50:13,230 --> 01:50:19,500 wrong. And I mean, just look at television commercials. The guy 1624 01:50:19,500 --> 01:50:23,430 is screwed up again. I'm a doofus. 1625 01:50:26,130 --> 01:50:30,150 And we're not calls up here. So I got a few more clips. But I 1626 01:50:30,150 --> 01:50:35,820 wanted to piggyback on your point you just made if you watch 1627 01:50:35,820 --> 01:50:39,240 children's television, which I do, because I always watch my 1628 01:50:39,240 --> 01:50:42,210 kid watch when they leave the room. I got come in the room and 1629 01:50:42,210 --> 01:50:46,770 I watch. It's a hierarchy and his television shows. Both 1630 01:50:46,770 --> 01:50:51,630 parents are stupid. First of all, it's the dad is 1631 01:50:51,630 --> 01:50:57,870 substantially more dumber than the mom. Yeah. Oh, Dad, like one 1632 01:50:57,870 --> 01:51:01,530 of those. Yeah, it's like, I mean, he did. I mean, he's, he's 1633 01:51:02,280 --> 01:51:03,360 barely functioning. 1634 01:51:04,950 --> 01:51:06,450 He's lucky. He's breathing. Really? 1635 01:51:06,900 --> 01:51:09,480 Yeah. Right. I mean, it's like, you know, it's like, oh, you 1636 01:51:09,480 --> 01:51:12,510 know, and the jokes are like this, like two or three dad 1637 01:51:12,510 --> 01:51:17,070 jokes in every episode. But now this is it. And they're going 1638 01:51:17,070 --> 01:51:22,950 down to the lower level. But JoJo brown in the last clip, 1639 01:51:23,400 --> 01:51:28,200 talked about that tearing down to manageable pieces. Yeah. I 1640 01:51:28,200 --> 01:51:32,430 wanted to bring to the table, what that looks like and what 1641 01:51:32,430 --> 01:51:36,120 that sounds like. So I went to continue with the day time 1642 01:51:36,120 --> 01:51:41,970 television show theme. Divorce Court, my man's and when you say 1643 01:51:41,970 --> 01:51:43,350 your man is a wimp. 1644 01:51:45,360 --> 01:51:48,480 And that's your biggest problem with him? Yes. 1645 01:51:49,230 --> 01:51:53,340 Could you explain that to me? Well, basically, he's a weenie. 1646 01:51:53,370 --> 01:51:54,180 He's a punk. I'm 1647 01:51:54,180 --> 01:51:54,990 tired of it. 1648 01:51:55,170 --> 01:51:58,230 He's not man. enough for me. I'm too strong for him. 1649 01:51:59,310 --> 01:52:01,620 Now, this was the 90s this divorce court or was it later 1650 01:52:01,620 --> 01:52:01,770 than 1651 01:52:01,800 --> 01:52:07,890 No, this was this was like last week. What? Really? I mean, 1652 01:52:07,890 --> 01:52:11,580 okay, at least like six months ago, no, no, only six months 1653 01:52:11,580 --> 01:52:12,570 ago. It's not a 1654 01:52:12,570 --> 01:52:16,050 YouTube thing. And this is like near as as 30 years ago. Really? 1655 01:52:16,050 --> 01:52:18,510 Last week. Okay. Wow, nice. 1656 01:52:19,620 --> 01:52:23,100 But this is the tearing down to manageable pieces. He's a wimp. 1657 01:52:23,310 --> 01:52:26,670 And just the personal background. This isn't to a 1658 01:52:26,670 --> 01:52:30,960 couple getting divorced. This was an episode of should we get 1659 01:52:30,960 --> 01:52:38,070 married. As he's talking to the poor guy like this, oh, he's a 1660 01:52:38,070 --> 01:52:46,290 wimp. He's a weenie. I'm like, dude, Ryan. Wow. But we're up to 1661 01:52:46,529 --> 01:52:48,209 miss Clark. Miss Clark. Let 1662 01:52:48,210 --> 01:52:51,000 me tell you something. You may think he's a weenie and a punk 1663 01:52:51,000 --> 01:52:53,940 and a wimp. But I'm most certainly not. And if you keep 1664 01:52:53,940 --> 01:52:57,420 that up, you go right through that door. And she and I will 1665 01:52:57,420 --> 01:53:03,390 finish our proceedings alone. And you lose in the rational war 1666 01:53:03,390 --> 01:53:04,950 right here already, you know? 1667 01:53:05,820 --> 01:53:12,450 Mm hmm. So when the female just checked her, she understood the 1668 01:53:12,450 --> 01:53:20,130 power structure. So yeah. So um, yeah. So this is what it sounds 1669 01:53:20,130 --> 01:53:23,940 like, for man to be shredded. And for all the people just 1670 01:53:23,940 --> 01:53:27,810 wondering why this poor guy puts up with it went three. 1671 01:53:28,020 --> 01:53:30,570 I mean, I'm just me, right? I could just be mean, if you want 1672 01:53:30,570 --> 01:53:31,800 something else didn't go they 1673 01:53:31,800 --> 01:53:34,920 go get something else and Quit bothering you. That having said 1674 01:53:34,920 --> 01:53:39,930 that, let me say this one you stay. seem to make any sense. 1675 01:53:40,920 --> 01:53:43,740 Often explain to you No, it's the other way around. I tried to 1676 01:53:43,740 --> 01:53:47,550 get away. I've tried to get away. She feels Clark. This 1677 01:53:47,550 --> 01:53:50,970 woman is crazy. She will find me I can move out of the country. 1678 01:53:50,970 --> 01:53:53,520 Somehow, someway, she will find me literally 1679 01:53:54,240 --> 01:53:58,680 do you chase him about now? That's a lie. So you know when 1680 01:53:58,680 --> 01:54:00,660 he leaves you don't go searching for him? 1681 01:54:01,500 --> 01:54:13,200 Well, you know. Well, we may see a modern or guesses just as 1682 01:54:13,200 --> 01:54:17,400 Mario may see an interesting version of this. take place this 1683 01:54:17,610 --> 01:54:20,970 this power dynamic. It may be taking place. It actually 1684 01:54:20,970 --> 01:54:24,780 doesn't even matter if it's true or not. I think it may be spun 1685 01:54:24,780 --> 01:54:29,040 that way, which is probably the most important part. And that's 1686 01:54:29,070 --> 01:54:35,520 Prince Harry and Meghan Markel. We may. We may see a version we 1687 01:54:35,520 --> 01:54:38,790 may see a version of this being portrayed in the media again, 1688 01:54:38,790 --> 01:54:42,960 whether it's true or not already, without a doubt the 1689 01:54:42,960 --> 01:54:47,100 messaging is, well, the Harry's kind of a little pussy whipped. 1690 01:54:49,320 --> 01:54:52,980 Very shrew, and she's a super woman. Yes. 1691 01:54:54,840 --> 01:54:58,200 And he is a minority because let's face it, Ginger has got it 1692 01:54:58,200 --> 01:54:58,740 rough. 1693 01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:07,110 Right. And for the archetype of shoes she's supposed to feel 1694 01:55:08,430 --> 01:55:11,190 she's gonna play the role. Yeah. 1695 01:55:11,250 --> 01:55:14,490 And it's in. Wow. And so let's just think about this because I 1696 01:55:14,490 --> 01:55:20,070 think I think the, the overall theme here has been the 1697 01:55:20,070 --> 01:55:25,770 influence of media Television In particular, in how this power 1698 01:55:25,770 --> 01:55:30,810 dynamic has been displayed and and its total blaxploitation. 1699 01:55:31,350 --> 01:55:35,880 I'm now coming to realize, of course, back in the 90s hours, 1700 01:55:35,940 --> 01:55:39,180 ooh, look at me on Mr. MTV i Oh, that's funny. Look at Jerry look 1701 01:55:39,180 --> 01:55:42,780 at more and you don't really think about it, what the long 1702 01:55:42,780 --> 01:55:49,140 standing impact of that is. But now this story, it is the fairy 1703 01:55:49,140 --> 01:55:55,710 tale story, she married a prince, but the prince instead 1704 01:55:55,710 --> 01:55:59,700 of take again, he may be in charge of everything. He may be 1705 01:55:59,700 --> 01:56:02,130 running the show, he'd be like, Baby, I'm taking care of you. 1706 01:56:02,430 --> 01:56:06,090 That's not what's being portrayed on television. And I 1707 01:56:06,090 --> 01:56:10,950 don't think that's the way it's going to play out the story. And 1708 01:56:10,950 --> 01:56:14,970 it kind of breaks though. That's a real, if it plays out that 1709 01:56:14,970 --> 01:56:20,250 way. Very destructive to the whole, the ultimate patriarchy 1710 01:56:20,250 --> 01:56:25,260 is the handsome prince. sweeps you away they live happily ever 1711 01:56:25,260 --> 01:56:29,400 after. And this one could turn out differently where I had to 1712 01:56:29,400 --> 01:56:32,940 tell him what to do. I had to drag his ass back to America or 1713 01:56:32,940 --> 01:56:37,260 to America I had I'm an I'm the I'm the Superwoman I'm taking 1714 01:56:37,260 --> 01:56:41,880 care of it all Wow, this will be very I have new eyes to watch 1715 01:56:41,880 --> 01:56:42,450 this with. 1716 01:56:43,230 --> 01:56:49,470 And a monarchy is nothing but a patriarch take down a monarchy. 1717 01:56:50,580 --> 01:56:54,420 But it's the death is the death is the it's the headshot for the 1718 01:56:54,690 --> 01:57:00,300 nationalism. It is a shock for the patriarchy. It kills a 1719 01:57:00,300 --> 01:57:02,730 couple of birds with one stone wow 1720 01:57:08,250 --> 01:57:09,960 it's tough time to be a man more 1721 01:57:11,670 --> 01:57:14,460 than welcome to the game. Welcome to the game. 1722 01:57:16,410 --> 01:57:19,470 Mo thank you so much for putting this one together a lot to think 1723 01:57:19,470 --> 01:57:21,150 about and a lot to pay attention to. 1724 01:57:22,800 --> 01:57:26,160 And as I always say pay attention to everything and the 1725 01:57:26,160 --> 01:57:27,450 truth where we really tell 1726 01:57:28,680 --> 01:57:33,240 and we will reveal ourselves again. About a week from now 1727 01:57:33,240 --> 01:57:38,700 please support the show at mo fund me.com mo e fund me.com 1728 01:57:40,320 --> 01:57:46,140 How can I express you the joy I felt when I realized that I had 1729 01:57:46,140 --> 01:57:51,990 found the perfect man for me the man who could make me feel all 1730 01:57:51,990 --> 01:57:59,160 the things I felt a woman should feel I said darling I want to be 1731 01:57:59,160 --> 01:58:03,660 the perfect woman for you I got myself a three year subscription 1732 01:58:03,660 --> 01:58:07,920 to Essence magazine read it from cover to cover you know I wanted 1733 01:58:07,920 --> 01:58:12,990 to be perfect for blank is beautiful just keep getting up 1734 01:58:12,990 --> 01:58:17,070 together we can make it it's gonna be alright if for some 1735 01:58:17,070 --> 01:58:19,920 reason you feel that you can no longer be the man that I thought 1736 01:58:19,920 --> 01:58:24,480 you were at the beginning of our relationship then I got this one 1737 01:58:24,480 --> 01:58:31,920 thing to lay on you must wait a little 1738 01:58:35,430 --> 01:58:45,480 while don't just go away to see you get hard 1739 01:58:46,500 --> 01:58:52,050 for me to understand so just go on away and just go on and on 1740 01:58:52,050 --> 01:59:11,190 when that's gone away a little more before do some fresh Find 1741 01:59:11,190 --> 01:59:12,000 yourself another 1742 01:59:13,260 --> 01:59:29,250 stream because you're hurt every minute that you delay a winning 1743 01:59:29,250 --> 01:59:32,040 Emmy winning Emmy winning Emmy winning me when you need me when 1744 01:59:32,040 --> 01:59:36,930 you walk through some type of like this. You're getting just a 1745 01:59:36,930 --> 01:59:42,900 little bit too busy. So why don't you go all the way 1746 01:59:53,280 --> 02:00:00,330 Why don't you just leave nonummy Thanks, Richard. All right 1747 02:00:00,360 --> 02:00:06,330 normally Playboy magazines go on get out on life so don't stand 1748 02:00:06,330 --> 02:00:08,400 so close to be with you trying to get that last goodbye kiss I 1749 02:00:08,400 --> 02:00:19,320 know your moves now and don't to kiss my eyelids 1750 02:00:21,960 --> 02:00:27,720 are pleased I'm sick might be your lobes Ifedi and don't 1751 02:00:27,720 --> 02:00:28,140 remember 1752 02:00:38,550 --> 02:00:43,170 think you can get a job by Thursday you promised your 1753 02:00:43,170 --> 02:00:43,680 uniform 1754 02:00:46,680 --> 02:00:55,260 then you might as well stay stay man is mostly 1755 02:00:58,230 --> 02:01:05,730 don't you can be with him one more time. This time I'm gonna 1756 02:01:05,730 --> 02:01:10,680 try harder to spend this time I'm gonna be sweet