1 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:09,510 MoeFactz with Adam curry for January 6 2020. This is episode 2 00:00:09,510 --> 00:00:14,460 number 21st Show of 2020. How're you doing? 3 00:00:15,630 --> 00:00:17,100 I'm doing well. Adam, how you doing? 4 00:00:17,190 --> 00:00:18,330 Man? Happy New Year. 5 00:00:18,810 --> 00:00:20,820 Same you, Sir Simon to you? Yes. 6 00:00:21,060 --> 00:00:26,160 So 20 of episode of MO facts with Adam curry. And this is the 7 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:30,360 year we're gonna start asking people to participate actively 8 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,980 and support the work I think. I think we've proven our value. 9 00:00:36,030 --> 00:00:39,390 I hope so last night teen I hope they found some value in it and 10 00:00:39,390 --> 00:00:40,980 you know, in return the favor? 11 00:00:42,060 --> 00:00:45,630 Or return the favor or return the value for sure. Get the 12 00:00:45,630 --> 00:00:49,800 value? Yes. So the value for value system successfully 13 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:53,880 deployed at the no agenda show is very simple. You listen to 14 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,090 the show an hour, hour and a half two hours of whatever 15 00:00:57,090 --> 00:00:59,490 length it is, Did you get anything out of it, you learn 16 00:00:59,490 --> 00:01:03,000 anything if you did translate that into your own value and 17 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:09,090 send it to us mo facts.com or mo fund me.com mo e fund me.com. 18 00:01:09,990 --> 00:01:13,350 All right, Mo, I'm excited to find out what you got lined up 19 00:01:13,350 --> 00:01:15,060 for us. What are we going to talk about? 20 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,350 All right. Um, so if people don't know this, Kanye West 21 00:01:19,350 --> 00:01:21,780 school spirit, and I had a little school spirit, so I want 22 00:01:21,780 --> 00:01:27,330 to talk about the segregation of schools. Oh, okay. All right. 23 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:31,860 All right. We, we had we had alluded to this topics on a 24 00:01:31,860 --> 00:01:34,650 couple of other shows talking about segregation. And that's 25 00:01:34,650 --> 00:01:37,320 such a big topic. I wanted to break it down and maybe into 26 00:01:37,320 --> 00:01:41,010 segments. And we'll talk about the final stretch of the 27 00:01:41,130 --> 00:01:45,360 integration price process. And that was the schools. So 28 00:01:45,420 --> 00:01:46,530 all right, excellent. 29 00:01:48,450 --> 00:01:55,140 So just to lead off, I want to start with a little MLK, I have 30 00:01:55,140 --> 00:01:55,920 a dream, 31 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:05,670 I have a dream. That one day this nation will rise up. live 32 00:02:05,670 --> 00:02:10,410 out the true meaning of its creed. We hold these truths to 33 00:02:10,410 --> 00:02:15,840 be self evident, that all men are created. I have a dream 34 00:02:17,850 --> 00:02:25,110 that one day on the sons of former slaves and the sons of 35 00:02:25,110 --> 00:02:30,840 former slaves will be able to sit down together at the table 36 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:37,380 of brotherhood. I have a dream. My poor little children will one 37 00:02:37,380 --> 00:02:40,950 day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color 38 00:02:40,950 --> 00:02:43,800 of our skin but by the pound Kennebec character. 39 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:53,790 It's a classic, classic slip on no facts, nothing like yeah, so 40 00:02:54,390 --> 00:03:00,510 that's the that is the whole meme or encapsulation of the 41 00:03:00,510 --> 00:03:06,180 civil rights movement and immigration and the defeating of 42 00:03:06,180 --> 00:03:12,780 segregation. So I wanted to start off with that. It's I've 43 00:03:12,780 --> 00:03:17,640 said this on a show of several times that I am against forced 44 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,790 immigration. Forced is the key word. 45 00:03:21,150 --> 00:03:25,350 Yes, I think that's a universal issue. Forced and forced is 46 00:03:25,350 --> 00:03:27,750 never good. Especially not if the government's forcing you to 47 00:03:27,750 --> 00:03:28,410 do something. 48 00:03:29,190 --> 00:03:33,330 Correct. And the reason why I started off with the I Have a 49 00:03:33,390 --> 00:03:37,200 Dream speech is that's because that is where everybody is 50 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:42,900 mentally set on the subject of integration, that it would just 51 00:03:43,350 --> 00:03:48,480 set it would it work, you know, King was successful. But even 52 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:53,460 King himself has some doubts before his death. And I have a 53 00:03:53,460 --> 00:03:57,660 clip of Harry bought Harry Belafonte. Speaking on that 54 00:03:57,660 --> 00:03:58,140 topic, 55 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:07,950 last thing Dr. King said to me, before he was murdered, was in 56 00:04:07,950 --> 00:04:13,680 my home when he was sitting planning strategy for the Poor 57 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:18,720 People's Campaign, which was on the horizon of the politics of 58 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:24,660 the day. Martin said, you know, I've been thinking long and hard 59 00:04:24,660 --> 00:04:33,870 about our struggle. We work tenaciously for our rights. And 60 00:04:34,620 --> 00:04:38,190 the culmination of all that effort will be reflected in what 61 00:04:38,190 --> 00:04:43,530 we've come to call the integration movement. And I sit 62 00:04:43,530 --> 00:04:49,410 here deeply concerned that I suspect we are leaving our 63 00:04:49,410 --> 00:04:55,680 nation on integration trip that has us integrating into a 64 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:56,580 burning house 65 00:04:59,069 --> 00:05:03,149 okay, Have you heard that statement before? The burned 66 00:05:03,149 --> 00:05:08,789 out house? Yes. No, no, the only burning house I can think of is 67 00:05:08,789 --> 00:05:11,399 talking heads burning down the house, that's not going to help 68 00:05:11,399 --> 00:05:13,769 us. So this is a very 69 00:05:15,090 --> 00:05:20,820 How can I say it? In certain circles, this is a very popular 70 00:05:20,820 --> 00:05:26,250 statement of Dr. Martin Luther King's, but not to the masses. 71 00:05:26,310 --> 00:05:29,550 Okay, the at the end of his life when you 72 00:05:29,550 --> 00:05:32,700 have to have a secret handshake to get into the circle? 73 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:37,920 Well, no, it's not. It's not that it's that in the mastering, 74 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:44,160 they would never propagate this facade of Martin Luther King. 75 00:05:46,860 --> 00:05:51,150 They want Him to keep him that I have a dream King, not the 76 00:05:51,150 --> 00:05:52,530 second guessing 77 00:05:52,529 --> 00:05:56,519 of burning of the house burning down. Right, 78 00:05:56,550 --> 00:06:01,440 or integration itself is what is this the right move? Now is very 79 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,190 popular in our community to the quote unquote, black community 80 00:06:06,330 --> 00:06:10,440 to second guess, integration, because we look at the results 81 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:14,790 of it. And that's what the show was, in this episode, we're 82 00:06:14,790 --> 00:06:18,990 going to really dissect how we got to the point of integration 83 00:06:19,020 --> 00:06:23,610 and results integration. And not only now looking back, you know, 84 00:06:23,610 --> 00:06:27,300 because Hindsight is 2020. We're going to look at some notable 85 00:06:27,300 --> 00:06:33,330 figures at the time. And even they weren't as Pro integration 86 00:06:33,330 --> 00:06:37,590 as the mass media, what have you to believe. So I have some clips 87 00:06:37,590 --> 00:06:42,510 here. We're going to start at present day and see how 88 00:06:42,570 --> 00:06:47,970 integration has failed to the point that schools are probably 89 00:06:47,970 --> 00:06:53,010 just as segregated as now as they were in the 50s and 60s. 90 00:06:54,900 --> 00:06:59,220 And we have the Atlantic came schools and a great kid school 91 00:06:59,220 --> 00:07:00,930 integration made a comeback one, 92 00:07:01,079 --> 00:07:04,169 the vast majority of white children living in the city have 93 00:07:04,169 --> 00:07:07,949 access to a high performing neighborhood school. The vast 94 00:07:07,949 --> 00:07:12,029 majority of black students have guaranteed access to 95 00:07:12,419 --> 00:07:15,539 nothing. Do you think we're betraying the legacy of Brown v 96 00:07:15,539 --> 00:07:17,279 Board? Absolutely. 97 00:07:17,309 --> 00:07:20,189 We have defined it in every way that you can. 98 00:07:23,759 --> 00:07:26,489 America's schools are the most segregated they've been in 99 00:07:26,519 --> 00:07:29,639 almost 50 years. And for decades, the federal government 100 00:07:29,639 --> 00:07:33,149 hasn't been doing anything about it. Today's typical white 101 00:07:33,149 --> 00:07:36,839 student attends a school that is nearly three quarters white, the 102 00:07:36,839 --> 00:07:40,079 average black student goes to one that's almost entirely 103 00:07:40,079 --> 00:07:45,299 students of color. In 1954, Brown versus Board of Education 104 00:07:45,299 --> 00:07:49,199 declared that segregated schools should be dismantled with quote, 105 00:07:49,229 --> 00:07:52,829 all deliberate speed. We're sliding back into the two 106 00:07:52,859 --> 00:07:56,519 unequal systems. Brown promised to get rid of one for low income 107 00:07:56,519 --> 00:07:59,729 black and Latino students, and another for more affluent white 108 00:07:59,729 --> 00:08:00,599 and Asian students. 109 00:08:02,340 --> 00:08:05,880 Yeah, this is a topic that interests me a lot. I follow 110 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,930 this in Austin, mainly because I'm a home home owner. So I'm a 111 00:08:09,930 --> 00:08:13,020 taxpayer, and I'm an old fart, and now I get to bitch and moan 112 00:08:13,020 --> 00:08:17,550 about stuff. So I've been I follow what's happening. With 113 00:08:17,550 --> 00:08:21,840 the Austin school districts, we have closings, and this is one 114 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,230 of the most liberal cities in America. It's a very odd place 115 00:08:25,230 --> 00:08:30,750 here in Texas. But it's big NIMBY, not in my backyard. It's 116 00:08:30,750 --> 00:08:34,530 always big talk big mouth, but I believe from what I understand 117 00:08:34,530 --> 00:08:40,050 the schools are incredibly segregated in Austin. And, and I 118 00:08:40,050 --> 00:08:42,120 don't know if you're going to talk about this at all, but 119 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:46,710 charter schools is now you know, the cropping up everywhere. And 120 00:08:46,710 --> 00:08:49,170 this is on one hand can be great, but another hand, it 121 00:08:49,170 --> 00:08:54,570 makes the problem even worse. So yeah, I can attest to this 122 00:08:54,570 --> 00:08:55,950 definitely being the case. 123 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:05,160 It's amazing that we're back to the future. The main thing that 124 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,800 they try to get rid of human nature, 125 00:09:07,799 --> 00:09:11,099 hey, Moe, you know, when you get to be as old as I am, you start 126 00:09:11,129 --> 00:09:14,879 picking up on a trend happens a lot. 127 00:09:15,510 --> 00:09:20,280 You can't change people's how people feel. Right? And that was 128 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:26,910 the How naive the civil right quote unquote civil rights 129 00:09:26,910 --> 00:09:30,120 movement was because he was like, oh, we'll just force our 130 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:34,590 kids the, you know, force this love on you, you know, in in, 131 00:09:34,590 --> 00:09:36,900 pull it out, you know, pull the equality. 132 00:09:37,020 --> 00:09:41,760 You know, I have an analogy for you. Here in another one in 133 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,940 Austin. They decided we need bikes that just you know, 134 00:09:45,060 --> 00:09:50,190 painted bike lanes on the roads downtown and in lots of places, 135 00:09:50,190 --> 00:09:54,090 but downtown's a lot of bike paths. You can't just paint that 136 00:09:54,090 --> 00:09:57,750 and say, Oh, it's going to work now. And you know, cars won't be 137 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,440 making right hand turns cutting by takes off triumphing over 138 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:06,090 him, it takes a long time for these good intentions to really 139 00:10:06,090 --> 00:10:08,610 work if ever, there's no evidence It's working, it's 140 00:10:08,610 --> 00:10:10,140 dangerous to ride your bike here. 141 00:10:10,650 --> 00:10:13,440 And that's an excellent, excellent analogy, because the 142 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:17,100 two have to learn how to coexist with each other. Exactly. But 143 00:10:17,100 --> 00:10:22,650 when you force these two things that normally don't coexist, or 144 00:10:22,680 --> 00:10:25,980 maybe shouldn't share the same space, that has to be learned, 145 00:10:25,980 --> 00:10:29,400 that's why I'm totally against forced integration. Now, if you 146 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,520 choose to want to be integrated, like our podcast, this is a 147 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,730 choice. And we come here and we have a conversation. Wait, 148 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:43,290 you're not a white guy. What? Know? What? Yeah. Stephen A 149 00:10:43,290 --> 00:10:57,120 Smith. I'm a black man. Okay, so I'm the wonder, Am and how can I 150 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:03,930 put it nicely? There are people that were behind the civil 151 00:11:03,930 --> 00:11:08,730 rights movement. Was this a kind of force anarchy? Who knows, 152 00:11:08,730 --> 00:11:12,480 because when you start peeling back the layers of who were, who 153 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,480 was running the civil rights movement, the NAACP, we've 154 00:11:15,510 --> 00:11:18,810 talked about that extensively, who they really were, when you 155 00:11:18,810 --> 00:11:24,900 look about the communists, ties to the civil rights movement, 156 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:30,450 that they that's one form of protest is anarchy. So was this 157 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:35,460 a form of anarchy, but we'll talk about that a little later, 158 00:11:35,610 --> 00:11:37,740 let's get into come back to 159 00:11:38,070 --> 00:11:42,270 integration worked. In 1988, the achievement gap between blacks 160 00:11:42,270 --> 00:11:45,780 and whites was half of its pre brown levels, and no other 161 00:11:45,780 --> 00:11:49,200 education policy has ever come close to matching that success. 162 00:11:49,350 --> 00:11:50,850 So why do we turn the other way, 163 00:11:51,150 --> 00:11:54,240 there was significant progress in terms of creating schools 164 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:58,410 that were more racially and socioeconomically diverse. But 165 00:11:58,410 --> 00:12:00,750 we have to acknowledge there are other places where that didn't 166 00:12:00,750 --> 00:12:03,660 happen, and where there was real resistance. 167 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,840 parents didn't want black and Latino kids coming to their 168 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:10,500 schools. 169 00:12:12,299 --> 00:12:15,539 And my grandson, last night here, they ate, 170 00:12:16,259 --> 00:12:19,199 some aggressively lobbied lawmakers and brought cases to 171 00:12:19,199 --> 00:12:24,329 the courts. Eventually, this resistance worked. Over the last 172 00:12:24,329 --> 00:12:27,089 three decades, school segregation has come back. 173 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,940 So interesting to hear, you know, one of those older clips 174 00:12:32,940 --> 00:12:36,300 was, you know, bad, my grandkid, they're not gonna come over here 175 00:12:36,300 --> 00:12:41,160 to hear my school. I wonder if that's if that that that still 176 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:42,660 goes on that kind of talk. 177 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:51,720 Maybe in a hushed tone, but I'm sure it still happens. It's 178 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:59,550 just, I find it strange. Just me being who I am to force yourself 179 00:12:59,610 --> 00:13:05,130 into a situation. I never understood the civil rights 180 00:13:05,430 --> 00:13:11,010 movement of forcing yourself too much counters forcing yourself 181 00:13:11,010 --> 00:13:17,190 in other people's schools. We have Plessy versus Ferguson. And 182 00:13:17,190 --> 00:13:22,710 that was in 1892. And that was kind of like where separate but 183 00:13:22,740 --> 00:13:27,870 equal was established. And if I'm from the viewpoint of if 184 00:13:27,870 --> 00:13:31,560 we're going to find anything in the Supreme Court, let's have 185 00:13:31,560 --> 00:13:35,820 the black schools be equal to the white schools because that 186 00:13:35,820 --> 00:13:39,480 was the claim that all they had better books and better AI 187 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,340 cities, better schools, this 188 00:13:41,340 --> 00:13:45,420 goes on today, we still it's morphed a little bit, but the 189 00:13:45,780 --> 00:13:50,610 way it's presented today is the zip code you're born in 190 00:13:50,730 --> 00:13:52,230 determines your future. 191 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:58,860 That's true. And we didn't we didn't solve the problem of the 192 00:13:58,890 --> 00:14:04,980 inequality of schools, not the racial balancing of schools, the 193 00:14:04,980 --> 00:14:05,670 inequality 194 00:14:05,670 --> 00:14:09,030 of the education of the material of the the state of the 195 00:14:09,030 --> 00:14:11,340 buildings, the safety, etc. 196 00:14:11,820 --> 00:14:14,520 Yeah, that's when we go to the black school. We should see the 197 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,300 same safety the same fire extinguishers, 198 00:14:18,299 --> 00:14:21,629 the same, the same jungle gym and in the yard. Yeah, of 199 00:14:21,629 --> 00:14:22,529 course. Exactly. 200 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,370 Yeah. And I think that's why you had a bunch of people wanting to 201 00:14:26,370 --> 00:14:29,280 emigrate, because Oh, yeah, that school is so much better. 202 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:30,900 Facilities wise. 203 00:14:31,049 --> 00:14:34,079 It's important. I've never really thought about this when 204 00:14:34,079 --> 00:14:39,089 you know, what was the reasoning behind school integration? It's 205 00:14:39,089 --> 00:14:42,029 kind of sinister when it now that I think about it. It's 206 00:14:42,029 --> 00:14:44,909 like, Well, look, if your school is always going to be shipped, 207 00:14:44,909 --> 00:14:49,949 so we're going to send you over here with where it's not shit. 208 00:14:49,949 --> 00:14:51,179 Yeah, that's kind of centered. 209 00:14:52,350 --> 00:14:55,170 That will the same thing with No Child Left Behind. It's like, 210 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,440 oh, you can read or you can read well, so you don't deserve to be 211 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,570 in this crappy school. Looks. Let's move on 212 00:15:02,039 --> 00:15:05,339 six to school. It's moving to a less crappy one. Yeah, exactly. 213 00:15:05,339 --> 00:15:05,519 Yeah. 214 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:11,280 We see this audit, and it never helps. It never helps. And the 215 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:12,750 as you're gonna hear and come back, 216 00:15:13,110 --> 00:15:16,260 oh, wait, wait, wait, but it does help. It helps ease the 217 00:15:16,260 --> 00:15:21,810 mind of those who are better off. Well, we did our part we 218 00:15:21,810 --> 00:15:27,990 let them come over to our kids school. Oh, yeah, the guilt? 219 00:15:28,950 --> 00:15:29,340 Yes, 220 00:15:29,490 --> 00:15:30,270 exactly. 221 00:15:30,510 --> 00:15:35,070 Kings plan isn't the forced busing of the past. Instead, he 222 00:15:35,070 --> 00:15:37,650 wants to make it easier for parents to send their kids to a 223 00:15:37,650 --> 00:15:40,440 school outside their neighborhood. This is called 224 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:44,700 school choice. In this system, students of color can avoid bad 225 00:15:44,700 --> 00:15:47,790 neighborhood schools and apply for better ones across town. And 226 00:15:47,790 --> 00:15:50,310 white parents can choose to send their kids to more diverse 227 00:15:50,310 --> 00:15:54,510 schools than the ones nearby. The idea is that parents can 228 00:15:54,510 --> 00:15:58,470 voluntarily integrate schools. But it's not as easy as it 229 00:15:58,470 --> 00:16:02,940 sounds. Natalie Hopkinson a journalist and parent of two, 230 00:16:03,090 --> 00:16:06,060 has tried to get her two kids into largely white schools for 231 00:16:06,060 --> 00:16:09,870 years, they switched schools five times in 10 years. 232 00:16:10,230 --> 00:16:13,320 Eventually, she gave up and sent them both to private schools. 233 00:16:14,250 --> 00:16:18,480 When it comes to DC race rules, everything. And it's really 234 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:22,560 depressing to me, the choice system very clearly 235 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:26,760 disadvantages black students, because the schools that are 236 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:31,080 high performing, are in white neighborhoods, period families 237 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,420 that are able to have the means to be able to buy into those 238 00:16:33,420 --> 00:16:36,450 neighborhoods have a guarantee they will have access to those 239 00:16:36,450 --> 00:16:37,050 schools. 240 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,550 Right, same same problem just 241 00:16:42,030 --> 00:16:48,210 continues. Yeah, so it's not the schools. It's the communities 242 00:16:48,210 --> 00:16:53,610 that make up the schools. And we spoke about how the communities 243 00:16:53,610 --> 00:16:59,760 have been under attack through social social programs, and no 244 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:06,300 man house welfare system in these things. So now you see the 245 00:17:07,830 --> 00:17:11,400 the schools reflect what the community the status of the 246 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:15,810 community is. Yeah. And what person in their right mind would 247 00:17:15,810 --> 00:17:21,390 send their child to lower level school. You don't 248 00:17:21,390 --> 00:17:24,540 want to but it's, but if it's the one in your neighborhood, 249 00:17:24,540 --> 00:17:28,500 you see that that or the voucher program or whatever. Yeah, but 250 00:17:28,500 --> 00:17:28,590 I'm 251 00:17:28,590 --> 00:17:32,280 just I'm speaking of the school choice. Yeah. Idea. It's like, 252 00:17:32,310 --> 00:17:32,910 Oh, yeah. 253 00:17:34,470 --> 00:17:35,790 Let me choose the shit school. 254 00:17:35,940 --> 00:17:40,170 Yeah, they may love diversity. Who would do that? It makes no 255 00:17:40,170 --> 00:17:44,130 sense. This is what we're dealing with. And this will irks 256 00:17:44,130 --> 00:17:51,000 me, is the so called leaders. Where are they at to call this 257 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:56,370 out? Like these schools are not equal. Based off of what I said 258 00:17:56,370 --> 00:17:59,760 before separate will equal the facilities should be the same 259 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:01,680 the amount of chart, the textbook, the year, the 260 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,290 textbooks, all these things. That's what we should have been 261 00:18:04,290 --> 00:18:05,880 fighting for. Yeah, no. 262 00:18:06,180 --> 00:18:10,380 Yeah. And Mo, I must tell you, I've heard about the school 263 00:18:10,380 --> 00:18:14,370 choice school vouchers, etc, for years and years and years. 264 00:18:14,879 --> 00:18:18,779 And I'm totally honest. 265 00:18:19,649 --> 00:18:22,529 Only only right now have I really thought about it in the 266 00:18:22,529 --> 00:18:25,949 way you're thinking about. It's like, well, yeah, holy shit, 267 00:18:25,949 --> 00:18:30,149 that's again, it's just insulting. It's like, No, we, 268 00:18:30,239 --> 00:18:33,509 and it goes both ways. Because if that's being offered, you 269 00:18:33,509 --> 00:18:37,229 know, there should have been, maybe there was a call saying, 270 00:18:37,229 --> 00:18:40,169 Well, hold on a second. We don't want that we want the schools to 271 00:18:40,169 --> 00:18:42,839 be better. And I'm sure those calls were there. But 272 00:18:42,839 --> 00:18:46,919 ultimately, it's such an accepted thing. And yeah, and 273 00:18:46,919 --> 00:18:50,099 just for me, it just kind of hit me like, oh, that's, yeah, it's 274 00:18:50,099 --> 00:18:51,719 kind of cynical and insulting. 275 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,380 And the teachers don't really say anything, because what do 276 00:18:55,380 --> 00:19:00,150 they do? They all close the school. That's the teachers work 277 00:19:00,150 --> 00:19:02,760 in these environments. You see them on the news all the time, 278 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:06,000 the roof is falling down, rather than running around. And it's 279 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,030 like the solution is to close the school down and bust the 280 00:19:09,030 --> 00:19:11,250 kids out of their neighborhood. Right? Yeah, that's the 281 00:19:11,250 --> 00:19:18,180 solution, not fix the school now. It is very easy. I don't 282 00:19:18,180 --> 00:19:21,090 know I can't get get my head around it. But the one thing 283 00:19:21,090 --> 00:19:24,720 that last clip, the last of the clips brought up was the Brown 284 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:31,410 versus the Board of Education. This is 1954. And this was the 285 00:19:31,410 --> 00:19:38,130 Brown family. They want it to go to a white school. Well, let me 286 00:19:38,130 --> 00:19:43,680 let the next clip. Where are we at? Brown versus the Board of 287 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,800 Education. Not so equal one. 288 00:19:47,010 --> 00:19:51,330 It's early in the morning and young Linda Brown, a third grade 289 00:19:51,360 --> 00:19:55,290 elementary student in the town of Topeka, Kansas is getting 290 00:19:55,290 --> 00:19:59,160 ready for school. Linda and her sister will soon leave the house 291 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,400 to begin their churning, but they won't be going to the 292 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:06,030 elementary school located just seven blocks away from their 293 00:20:06,030 --> 00:20:11,280 house. No. Instead, they will walk six blocks to board a bus 294 00:20:11,550 --> 00:20:15,090 that will then take them to another school located a mile 295 00:20:15,090 --> 00:20:19,170 away from their house. Why? Because of the color of their 296 00:20:19,170 --> 00:20:27,390 skin. The year is 1951. And this country needs a change. Now, 297 00:20:27,510 --> 00:20:30,120 part of that clip sounded really old and part of it sounded 298 00:20:30,120 --> 00:20:32,010 modern. What was that from? 299 00:20:32,820 --> 00:20:37,080 It's from the Georgia Bar Association. 300 00:20:37,260 --> 00:20:38,100 Oh my god, 301 00:20:38,100 --> 00:20:42,990 they need some help. Yeah, so it's for it's for kids. For 302 00:20:42,990 --> 00:20:46,980 kids, so they have actual get gaveled names I think slammer. 303 00:20:52,020 --> 00:20:52,620 I'm gonna teach 304 00:20:52,619 --> 00:20:55,319 you how segregation works. Okay. 305 00:20:57,450 --> 00:21:00,900 But there was something in that clip that I wanted to see if you 306 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,150 call about the proximity. 307 00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:08,550 Yeah, a six be walking six blocks to the bus. 308 00:21:08,580 --> 00:21:12,600 So. So the white school is seven blocks away? 309 00:21:12,630 --> 00:21:16,650 Yeah. Oh, yeah. They only have to walk six blocks. 310 00:21:17,129 --> 00:21:20,759 Why? Well, they had to walk six blocks to the bus get your bus. 311 00:21:21,539 --> 00:21:27,809 Mal. So that means this family lived in a mixed race community. 312 00:21:28,769 --> 00:21:34,559 Which goes back to our white flight. Moving out. No, yeah, we 313 00:21:34,559 --> 00:21:37,439 move moving out. You see what you see what I'm going? Yeah. 314 00:21:37,469 --> 00:21:40,619 Because you can't say, oh, we want all the black kids that go 315 00:21:40,619 --> 00:21:43,259 to all white schools. That doesn't make any sense, does it? 316 00:21:43,289 --> 00:21:50,369 No, that was no, this was very targeted and Mrs. Bought for a 317 00:21:50,369 --> 00:21:53,789 certain group of people. And we're gonna get into that not 318 00:21:53,819 --> 00:21:54,599 equal to 319 00:21:55,769 --> 00:21:59,729 it was happening everywhere. African American students were 320 00:21:59,729 --> 00:22:03,359 being denied admission to all white schools, especially in the 321 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,889 states where segregation was mandated. The case of a Brown 322 00:22:07,889 --> 00:22:11,729 versus Board of Education of Topeka, Shawnee County, Kansas 323 00:22:11,759 --> 00:22:16,139 was named after Reverend Oliver Brown from Topeka, Kansas. 324 00:22:16,649 --> 00:22:20,699 Oliver Brown was an assistant pastor, a welder in the shops of 325 00:22:20,699 --> 00:22:24,629 the Santa Fe Railroad, and father of nine year old Linda 326 00:22:24,629 --> 00:22:29,399 Brown. Brown was also one of 13 parents to be recruited by his 327 00:22:29,399 --> 00:22:34,079 childhood friend, Charles S. Scott, a civil rights law. Brown 328 00:22:34,079 --> 00:22:37,319 and others were asked to attempt to enroll their children in 329 00:22:37,319 --> 00:22:40,889 their closest all white neighborhood school. Reverend 330 00:22:40,889 --> 00:22:45,389 Brown did this in the fall of 1951. Taking his daughter by the 331 00:22:45,389 --> 00:22:49,439 hand and walking with her into some new elementary school. 332 00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:52,590 Okay, you rang your bell on the lawyer's name? 333 00:22:55,380 --> 00:23:00,060 They will have you believe that? Mr. Brown, you say, you know, I 334 00:23:00,060 --> 00:23:04,830 am fed up? My black daughter's going to a white school. I'm 335 00:23:04,830 --> 00:23:09,480 calling my lawyers. No, that's not how it happened to these 336 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,180 civil rights lawyers called up families a. 337 00:23:13,380 --> 00:23:16,200 Sure. Yeah, he's like an ambulance chaser. 338 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:22,290 Yeah. And they use their kids as as a weapon. Political Yeah. As 339 00:23:22,290 --> 00:23:27,630 as like Greta, no, brother. This is the moderate. She's, what is 340 00:23:27,630 --> 00:23:31,080 her name? Say? I think Cynthia Brown, I believe. She's like the 341 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:35,610 modern day, Greta. They use these kids. Put them in this 342 00:23:36,030 --> 00:23:39,720 very volatile and hateful environment, because it's 343 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,860 forced. We saw at least seen the pictures. We seen the little 344 00:23:43,860 --> 00:23:47,580 black girl holding the notebook on all these, like, yeah, you're 345 00:23:47,580 --> 00:23:50,310 writing clips here, your heart breaks. Why are we yelling on 346 00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:56,070 both sides? Like? What? And you put your kid through that for 347 00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:58,830 what? Better education? 348 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:06,720 Well? I mean, yeah, I wouldn't. Yeah, it's hard to say how that 349 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:12,180 how desperate are you? I don't know. That's, I see the I see 350 00:24:12,180 --> 00:24:15,570 the jokin at all. Absolutely. But I'm also thinking, Well, you 351 00:24:15,570 --> 00:24:17,670 know, if you really want to make a stance, sometimes you got to 352 00:24:17,670 --> 00:24:20,700 do something. But clearly, this lawyer just jumped out of the 353 00:24:20,700 --> 00:24:24,150 woodwork. And I would say the lawyer kind of set it all up 354 00:24:24,150 --> 00:24:25,410 that way to use the kid. 355 00:24:26,430 --> 00:24:30,060 So my question goes back again, while we're not trying to get 356 00:24:30,060 --> 00:24:33,990 better facilities for all the black children at the school 357 00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:36,090 that you're not trying to let your child go to? 358 00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:40,380 I wish I had an answer. 359 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,640 Well, it's not there is no answer because it doesn't make 360 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:49,650 any sense. It's like, dumb. Well, you want to enforce the 361 00:24:49,650 --> 00:24:52,320 certain privilege and these kids are privileged they have a 362 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,990 certain privilege because they were able to move out of the 363 00:24:54,990 --> 00:24:58,350 neighborhood obviously, because they have to walk seven blocks 364 00:24:58,350 --> 00:25:01,380 and then catch a bus ticket. out to the school in the community 365 00:25:01,380 --> 00:25:05,460 were set instead of walking six blocks to this school over here 366 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:13,860 that's in their community. So I'm just saying. Yeah. So we're 367 00:25:13,860 --> 00:25:20,970 gonna continue on with. Where are we at? I think we get, we 368 00:25:20,970 --> 00:25:22,890 always get clear, we skipped 369 00:25:22,890 --> 00:25:25,710 Linda Brown explaining cigarette segregation to her kids. 370 00:25:26,340 --> 00:25:29,190 I think I think it worked out best this way. It's funny how 371 00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:35,430 these things work out. So Linda Brown Thompson desk. That is the 372 00:25:35,460 --> 00:25:37,980 that's the little girl, right? The little girl here she's gonna 373 00:25:37,980 --> 00:25:40,020 explain her her experience. 374 00:25:41,790 --> 00:25:44,130 The neighborhood that we lived in with an integrated 375 00:25:44,130 --> 00:25:47,820 neighborhood. And so when we went outside to play, I had 376 00:25:47,820 --> 00:25:51,480 playmates that were all nationalities. I had playmates 377 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,290 that were Hispanic that were white, that were Native 378 00:25:55,290 --> 00:25:59,730 American. And so we all played together, you know, every day. 379 00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:03,300 And when school would start, then we would have to go these 380 00:26:03,300 --> 00:26:06,510 separate directions. My playmates want to know, well, 381 00:26:06,510 --> 00:26:08,970 why can't you go to school with us? And I want to know why I 382 00:26:08,970 --> 00:26:12,450 couldn't go with them, you know. But being children, we didn't 383 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,100 understand what was going on. 384 00:26:14,670 --> 00:26:17,820 It was devastating. I didn't like it a bit. And I just 385 00:26:17,820 --> 00:26:21,660 wonder, why. Why is this happening? You know, why 386 00:26:21,660 --> 00:26:24,780 couldn't she go to the neighborhood school? You know? 387 00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:28,920 And when the kids asked her why she couldn't know, they came and 388 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,280 asked me, Miss Brown, what's the all of this? Why can't learn to 389 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,520 go to school with this. And I tried to explain to them it was 390 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,900 the color of her skin that black people could not go to school 391 00:26:40,020 --> 00:26:43,440 with them over there yet. They could go, the Mexicans could go, 392 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,590 the Indians could go and the whites all went together. But 393 00:26:46,590 --> 00:26:49,620 the blacks could not go. So I tried to explain that. Because 394 00:26:49,620 --> 00:26:53,010 those very same children who came over to play with her, they 395 00:26:53,010 --> 00:26:56,190 ate my food. They slept in my bed with my kids, and they 396 00:26:56,190 --> 00:26:59,010 played with them. And they didn't see any difference. But 397 00:26:59,010 --> 00:27:03,660 then when school started that, where the difference came in. 398 00:27:06,330 --> 00:27:09,690 You know, and I don't want to equate my experience to this at 399 00:27:09,690 --> 00:27:14,370 all, of course. But I when I was seven, we moved to the 400 00:27:14,370 --> 00:27:17,040 Netherlands. And I was in an international school for a 401 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,040 couple of years only English spoken. And live picked up a 402 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:24,570 couple of words of Dutch. But this was 70, early 70s. And 403 00:27:24,900 --> 00:27:27,840 Americans were not very well liked. There was a Vietnam War. 404 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,570 And you know, so really what the Dutch kids would say to me, is 405 00:27:30,570 --> 00:27:34,740 you crazy American, that's about all I would hear all day. And my 406 00:27:34,770 --> 00:27:40,440 my dad switched careers, and very expensive International 407 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,220 School for all three kids ended. And we literally were told one 408 00:27:44,220 --> 00:27:47,160 Sunday night, we had a week off from school. Hey, guess what you 409 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,350 guys doing tomorrow? And like, wow, what are we doing? You're 410 00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:54,270 going to Dutch school. What? So I entered Dutch school at fifth 411 00:27:54,270 --> 00:27:59,970 grade, almost not speaking any Dutch at all. And I'll tell you 412 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:05,250 sucks massive balls. Because I was different. And you have four 413 00:28:05,250 --> 00:28:08,220 immutable differences, things I couldn't help. But I was 414 00:28:08,220 --> 00:28:12,420 completely different. And it's traumatic, then, you know, so 415 00:28:13,170 --> 00:28:17,490 just throwing out another analogy, but I can feel some of 416 00:28:17,490 --> 00:28:17,940 this. 417 00:28:19,980 --> 00:28:22,800 Understand, I'm not assisted to the fact that she wanted to go 418 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,620 to school with the kids that she played with in her neighborhood. 419 00:28:25,650 --> 00:28:29,250 Yeah. And another small fat dude, I don't want to gloss over 420 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,900 is why isn't it every other group, not white group gets to 421 00:28:33,900 --> 00:28:37,470 go to school, but it's like, no, no black kids will take the 422 00:28:37,470 --> 00:28:41,190 Mexicans in any way. You're pushing the bounds with the 423 00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:44,010 black kids. I mean, I wanted to point that out as well. So are 424 00:28:44,010 --> 00:28:47,010 we talking about segregation here because they don't really 425 00:28:47,010 --> 00:28:51,300 fall under segregation. Under what how you think it would be 426 00:28:51,330 --> 00:28:55,290 right a whites only right? That's that's funny business 427 00:28:55,290 --> 00:28:58,950 going on there as well that? No, no black people are 428 00:28:58,980 --> 00:29:02,160 very slight. Everybody will say yes. Selective segregation. 429 00:29:02,580 --> 00:29:02,970 Yeah, I 430 00:29:02,970 --> 00:29:05,460 just wanted to point that out. For the for the people that's 431 00:29:05,460 --> 00:29:12,270 out there, listening. But here we are. So they the civil rights 432 00:29:12,270 --> 00:29:16,620 lawyers gotten them to got their 15 families and they take it to 433 00:29:16,620 --> 00:29:22,110 the Supreme Court. And we have a Brown versus Board Supreme Court 434 00:29:22,110 --> 00:29:22,560 one. 435 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:30,630 By the early 50s, segregation was frayed by the war and torn 436 00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:34,770 in spots where the court had acted. The white primary was 437 00:29:34,770 --> 00:29:39,600 outlawed. Housing covenants outlawed some graduate and law 438 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,950 schools were forced to admit blacks that the court was aware 439 00:29:43,950 --> 00:29:48,960 that the big fight was still to come. The schools K through 12 440 00:29:49,710 --> 00:29:52,560 white children and black in the same classroom. 441 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,770 I love the music and really sets me up. 442 00:29:57,690 --> 00:30:02,610 So that this is the law Last battleground the K through 12 443 00:30:02,610 --> 00:30:08,250 schools, right? They've like they said the war, the war had a 444 00:30:08,250 --> 00:30:11,640 big effect on it, or World War Two is what they're referring to 445 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,820 as the war because that was one I think we spoke about on the 446 00:30:14,820 --> 00:30:18,960 last show. That was one of the things that now black people 447 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,320 were able to join the armed forces in mass right side by 448 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:27,690 side. Yep. You had the Tuskegee Airmen, you had get the tank 449 00:30:27,690 --> 00:30:30,660 battalion that were famed for being very successful in World 450 00:30:30,660 --> 00:30:33,750 War Two. So you had a lot of black men soldiers coming back 451 00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:38,820 home and they were kind of breaking down some of the social 452 00:30:39,210 --> 00:30:44,790 barriers, the barriers, yeah. So as I said, segregation was 453 00:30:44,790 --> 00:30:51,030 tattered, but they had to keep forcing, forcing. So we're gonna 454 00:30:51,030 --> 00:30:52,470 get into Supreme Court to 455 00:30:52,709 --> 00:30:56,009 Atlanta by Thurgood Marshall and other young lawyers like Robert 456 00:30:56,009 --> 00:31:00,689 Carter, the NAACP Legal Defense Fund was running or aiding cases 457 00:31:00,719 --> 00:31:05,729 all over the country. The court picked five and consolidated 458 00:31:05,729 --> 00:31:09,509 them into one set of arguments forever known as Brown versus 459 00:31:09,509 --> 00:31:14,489 Board of Education of Topeka, Kansas. As oral arguments 460 00:31:14,489 --> 00:31:17,189 approached, people camped outside the building to assure 461 00:31:17,189 --> 00:31:21,509 themselves a seat in the courtroom. NAACP lawyers, 462 00:31:21,509 --> 00:31:24,599 Marshall and Carter were up against a formidable adversary, 463 00:31:25,109 --> 00:31:29,189 John W. Davis, the former presidential candidate, making 464 00:31:29,189 --> 00:31:34,829 the last of his 140 appearances at the Supreme Court. But his 465 00:31:34,829 --> 00:31:38,909 arguments had a familiar ring separate wasn't necessarily 466 00:31:38,939 --> 00:31:43,799 unequal. Blacks should be happy with the way things were. Didn't 467 00:31:43,799 --> 00:31:46,769 states have the right to educate their children as they saw fit? 468 00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:51,030 Throwing it right back to states rights Interesting. 469 00:31:52,500 --> 00:31:54,810 Well, this is where I disagree, because they say shouldn't 470 00:31:54,810 --> 00:31:57,660 blacks be happy with the way they had it? No, because schools 471 00:31:57,660 --> 00:32:00,360 were inferior. Schools were inferior. The 472 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,150 second the second part of that, though, the way I heard it was, 473 00:32:03,270 --> 00:32:05,670 well, wait a minute, shouldn't the states make sure that 474 00:32:05,670 --> 00:32:09,180 that's, I mean, is this when we had a Department of Education or 475 00:32:09,180 --> 00:32:12,150 not, because I think that's where most of the problems came 476 00:32:12,150 --> 00:32:15,630 from, is when we had federal and when I should, I should look it 477 00:32:15,630 --> 00:32:18,540 up, go ahead and continue Mo and I'll just look that up is when 478 00:32:18,540 --> 00:32:19,230 that started. 479 00:32:20,430 --> 00:32:25,830 So just a little anecdote that schools were not equal at a 480 00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:29,130 time, and I'm not oblivious to that fact. Because my dad would 481 00:32:29,130 --> 00:32:33,420 tell me, he would like a we had to go in and take books together 482 00:32:33,420 --> 00:32:36,480 and read, they got like books that were five, six years old 483 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,470 pages torn out of them. So I'm aware that the schools were not 484 00:32:40,530 --> 00:32:48,570 equal, and facilities and materials. But there was 485 00:32:48,570 --> 00:32:52,710 something that the white schools couldn't give the black students 486 00:32:52,740 --> 00:32:57,660 and we're gonna get to that later on in the show. And also 487 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,320 in a time that we talked about now PTSD, post traumatic stress, 488 00:33:01,860 --> 00:33:06,000 forcing kids into the environment that they don't want 489 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,720 to be in Are they not welcome? It has to be very traumatic 490 00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:13,530 credit history, a very traumatic, but nobody considered 491 00:33:13,530 --> 00:33:18,120 this. It was like we're trying to win A a political battle. And 492 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,730 if the kids are sacrificed, so be it. 493 00:33:20,879 --> 00:33:25,169 Well, of course, this is this is this is very modern, to abuse 494 00:33:25,169 --> 00:33:28,379 your children to for a political point, by the way, Department of 495 00:33:28,379 --> 00:33:31,709 Education under Jimmy Carter 1979. 496 00:33:32,580 --> 00:33:35,970 Okay, so this was a school, so was the state's responsibility 497 00:33:36,930 --> 00:33:39,660 to ensure that the schools were equal, which they were not 498 00:33:39,660 --> 00:33:44,340 which, if I had silver, if, if I'm running the show, I'm having 499 00:33:44,340 --> 00:33:48,330 my civil rights lawyers fight that case of No, it's not equal. 500 00:33:50,970 --> 00:33:55,110 Then Then, then we I think that would just been better off, but 501 00:33:55,170 --> 00:33:58,620 that's just me. Let's get into Supreme Court three, 502 00:33:58,770 --> 00:34:04,800 Warren starts off in a bland manner. And you can't tell for a 503 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:09,210 while as he's delivering the opinion, what the outcome is 504 00:34:09,210 --> 00:34:15,120 going to be. And then he comes to the key line. And he says, 505 00:34:15,240 --> 00:34:20,070 and we unanimously hold that separate but equal has no place 506 00:34:20,070 --> 00:34:25,470 in the Constitution. And it was just electric in the court room 507 00:34:25,470 --> 00:34:27,210 when he said unanimous 508 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,420 we conclude that in the field of public education, the doctrine 509 00:34:30,420 --> 00:34:35,160 of separate but equal has no place. Separate educational 510 00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:38,670 facilities are inherently unequal. Therefore, we now 511 00:34:38,670 --> 00:34:42,060 honestly hold that the plaintiffs are deprived the 512 00:34:42,060 --> 00:34:47,220 equal protection laws guaranteed by the 14th amendment. Plessy v. 513 00:34:47,220 --> 00:34:51,270 Ferguson, in education is no more and in practice Plessy v. 514 00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:54,900 Ferguson itself is no more. The era of Jim Crow, 515 00:34:54,900 --> 00:34:56,190 constitutionally speaking, 516 00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:01,290 is all right. I'm just trying to understand the Explain, I needed 517 00:35:03,300 --> 00:35:05,430 another explanation of separate but equal. 518 00:35:06,090 --> 00:35:12,690 Okay, so it goes back to 1892. Case Plessy versus Ferguson. So, 519 00:35:13,170 --> 00:35:19,320 Homer Plessy, who is seven AIFS? Caucasian? Yeah, going back to 520 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,880 the one drop rule here took a seat and a white only white 521 00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:28,020 whites only car of a Louisiana train. He was arrested at the 522 00:35:28,020 --> 00:35:32,220 refuse to move to the car reserved for blacks. And this 523 00:35:32,220 --> 00:35:36,900 was also a plant. He was a plant. Well, sure, by lawyers. 524 00:35:38,340 --> 00:35:42,960 It's so this goes even back to the early not late 1800s of 525 00:35:43,530 --> 00:35:50,160 lawyers using plants to bring about cases right. But but on 526 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,490 appeal, the United States Supreme Court upheld the state 527 00:35:53,490 --> 00:35:57,510 imposed racial segregation rely on the separate but equal 528 00:35:57,510 --> 00:36:00,870 doctrine. It says separate facilities for blacks and whites 529 00:36:00,870 --> 00:36:08,310 satisfy the 14th amendment. So so long as they were equal. So 530 00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:11,730 that's Plessy versus Ferguson or the separate but equal trial. 531 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:12,210 Okay, 532 00:36:12,270 --> 00:36:13,620 I got it now. Yes. 533 00:36:13,650 --> 00:36:17,550 So that's what I'm saying. If you want to have your lawyers go 534 00:36:17,550 --> 00:36:20,250 fight, but like, Hey, we've tried this case. Plessy vs. 535 00:36:20,250 --> 00:36:23,010 Ferguson, we're looking at this school, we're looking at that 536 00:36:23,010 --> 00:36:27,090 school. They're not equal. You're not upholding the law. 537 00:36:27,450 --> 00:36:31,500 Right. But But now what they wanted to do we say we want the 538 00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:35,400 select few handful of black children to be forced into white 539 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,750 schools, while leaving the black schools, dilapidated, 540 00:36:39,810 --> 00:36:46,560 dilapidated and deteriorating. So so so essentially this case, 541 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:52,260 and its ruling came down to well, it's okay to leave the the 542 00:36:52,260 --> 00:36:54,300 schools in a state of disrepair. 543 00:36:55,350 --> 00:36:56,520 Yeah, it's not uncommon. 544 00:36:58,380 --> 00:37:01,440 Laws of the Black Law, the black kids have equal access to the 545 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:02,100 white schools. 546 00:37:02,130 --> 00:37:05,160 Yeah, you can let it all go to shit as long as they can walk 547 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:05,850 over that way. 548 00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:10,079 Yeah, wow. Four to leave it to the neighborhood. Yeah, man with 549 00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:10,949 CDs. That's 550 00:37:11,610 --> 00:37:19,680 that's institutional racism, bro. Light bulb. Okay. But it's 551 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,040 for poor people, for poor black people. If you're middle class 552 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,560 and like we spoke about about the old 553 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:33,870 neighborhood on a certain point. I think it does more from purely 554 00:37:33,870 --> 00:37:40,920 a black white issue, racial to poor and less poor. When the 555 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,810 lines do blurred a certain point. 556 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:50,220 Yeah, they do. That's true. So fast forwarding to now. We have 557 00:37:50,220 --> 00:37:55,830 Mr. Tony Harris from Seba former anchor on CNN. And he speaks on 558 00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:59,100 school desegregation while failed. 559 00:37:59,430 --> 00:38:06,300 Learn it people suggesting to me that that the Brown decision set 560 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:11,700 education back for black kids, why are we fighting these 561 00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:17,850 battles? Why when our kids are getting fighting for resources 562 00:38:18,330 --> 00:38:22,500 for what is a substandard education, graduating not 563 00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:26,280 reading at a grade level, and a lot of cases, not all cases, but 564 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,650 in many cases, why are we fighting this when we know there 565 00:38:28,650 --> 00:38:32,430 was a period of time in our history, when we were educating 566 00:38:32,430 --> 00:38:36,240 our kids and around comes into effect. And you lose so many of 567 00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:40,080 the the black teachers who were teaching these kids and don't 568 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,080 forget part of the buy in for a lot of these districts, these 569 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,900 white districts was that these black teachers aren't going to 570 00:38:45,930 --> 00:38:46,620 teach our 571 00:38:46,740 --> 00:38:52,530 white kids. I haven't seen Tony Harrison CNN in a long time. 572 00:38:53,340 --> 00:38:56,850 Yeah, he hasn't been there for a while. I think he he hosts a 573 00:38:56,850 --> 00:39:01,410 show called America hate. It looks into a racial issue that 574 00:39:01,710 --> 00:39:05,910 Oh, Al Jazeera. Yeah, yeah. Okay, gotcha, gotcha. 575 00:39:06,540 --> 00:39:09,750 So he brings up some great points, because what we had 576 00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:13,650 happened was this thing called social promotion. Have you ever 577 00:39:13,650 --> 00:39:14,430 heard of that, Adam? 578 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,160 Is that a like Twitter? 579 00:39:19,500 --> 00:39:24,660 Kind of like it where nobody knows what they're doing? No, 580 00:39:24,660 --> 00:39:28,560 that's where you just kind of push a kid alone. Like, oh, 581 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,220 yeah, we're gonna go ahead and move on to the third grade, even 582 00:39:32,220 --> 00:39:34,980 though he's reading. Oh, yeah. First grade level. Yeah, 583 00:39:35,010 --> 00:39:38,130 this is let's just get going. This is a very big problem. And 584 00:39:38,130 --> 00:39:41,820 I think that these days, it happens a lot more and it's done 585 00:39:41,820 --> 00:39:46,590 kind of with the grades. Schools don't want to get the bad over 586 00:39:46,590 --> 00:39:49,200 everything's with metrics. Schools don't want to bad marks 587 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:53,730 or they either lower the the difficulty of the test or, you 588 00:39:53,730 --> 00:39:56,700 know, fudge around with the numbers just to just push the 589 00:39:56,700 --> 00:39:57,690 kid through the system. 590 00:39:57,930 --> 00:40:01,320 It's one of those things They did. And I can just highlight 591 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,770 this right quick was they went from the seven point scale to 592 00:40:04,770 --> 00:40:11,220 the 10 point scale. So just when I was in school a was 100 to 93. 593 00:40:11,250 --> 00:40:18,510 That was a now a is it from 100 to 90. And it goes a B is from i 594 00:40:18,540 --> 00:40:21,600 89, to 80, and so on and so forth. And 595 00:40:22,140 --> 00:40:27,630 it's something I never really, I always okay. Rewind, growing up 596 00:40:27,630 --> 00:40:32,610 in the Netherlands, in, in the Dutch school system, it's a zero 597 00:40:32,610 --> 00:40:38,160 to 10 scale always has been that way. And the more I came to 598 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:42,360 appreciate the zero to 10 scale, the more I looked at the 599 00:40:42,420 --> 00:40:49,350 American system with A, B, C, D, F. And would say this is really 600 00:40:49,350 --> 00:40:53,880 fudging you know, it's like a C, well, you kind of you pass with 601 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:58,020 a C, but really in the, in the in the 10 point system that will 602 00:40:58,020 --> 00:41:01,140 be a failing grade it more like a five, and I always thought it 603 00:41:01,140 --> 00:41:05,250 was kind of pussy as like, just just give me the real number. 604 00:41:07,290 --> 00:41:11,250 Well, that kind of system helps with, quote unquote, privileges. 605 00:41:11,250 --> 00:41:17,820 Well, yes, of course. Is kind of like a little Johnny. So we'll 606 00:41:17,820 --> 00:41:19,200 give him a c minus 607 00:41:20,580 --> 00:41:24,150 exam. Yeah, it's a fudge factor. It's stupid. 608 00:41:24,300 --> 00:41:29,970 What? The reason why I make that point is this is kind of how we 609 00:41:29,970 --> 00:41:37,050 sample how black kids were harmed. Because where one 610 00:41:37,050 --> 00:41:39,840 teacher might give you a B plus, the other one might give you a c 611 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:46,500 minus, it's very subjective. The other thing is, what about 612 00:41:46,500 --> 00:41:49,260 social promotion, this is another and this is gonna be a 613 00:41:49,260 --> 00:41:53,580 live conversation that me and my dad had about schools, because 614 00:41:53,580 --> 00:41:58,800 He is an educator. He was saying, I don't care how big you 615 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,770 are, if you're reading on a third grade level, you were in 616 00:42:01,770 --> 00:42:06,030 the third grade, right? Could be 12 years old at his, quote 617 00:42:06,030 --> 00:42:08,850 unquote, black school, the teacher wasn't passing you, 618 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,090 right? It wasn't. If you ran a third grade level, you weren't a 619 00:42:12,090 --> 00:42:14,640 third grade, if you weren't third grade math level, they 620 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,360 will keep failing you and failing you, fail you until you 621 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,850 actually perform well. We all know how that how 622 00:42:20,850 --> 00:42:24,150 that worked out. We all know what changed over the years. 623 00:42:25,050 --> 00:42:29,220 So what happened was, and I don't know if this cost teacher 624 00:42:29,220 --> 00:42:31,980 was scared to be called racist if they felt a bunch of black 625 00:42:31,980 --> 00:42:36,240 kids. Well, you the black family was being destroyed. At the same 626 00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:39,600 time, the black community was being destroyed at the same time 627 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,300 through urban renewal. But that's another show for another 628 00:42:42,300 --> 00:42:47,640 day of and now you have these kids going into their 629 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:55,380 environment that well, I'm gonna let Mr. Minister J. J. Sammy 630 00:42:55,380 --> 00:42:56,970 Williams and his wife explain 631 00:42:56,970 --> 00:43:00,870 it. In the black community, we were prepared by setting setting 632 00:43:00,870 --> 00:43:05,580 goals, objectives for ourselves. This was done primarily in the 633 00:43:05,580 --> 00:43:09,030 home, in the church, and in the school at that particular time, 634 00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:12,570 because schools have a heavy reinforcement of our characters, 635 00:43:12,570 --> 00:43:16,170 because they were black schools. Schools were not integrated at 636 00:43:16,170 --> 00:43:21,390 that time. You know, do the best that you can with your life. You 637 00:43:21,390 --> 00:43:23,880 are unique, you have a contribution to make, you have 638 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:28,230 something to offer, you have a talent, you have skills, many, 639 00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:30,750 many other things that you do have going out there into the 640 00:43:30,750 --> 00:43:31,440 world and get them 641 00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:33,449 and who was 642 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:39,660 Jay Samuel Williams. So J Sami when he was just a minister, but 643 00:43:39,690 --> 00:43:43,560 I thought this video on YouTube, him and his wife, speaking on 644 00:43:43,860 --> 00:43:47,940 black schools before integration, and just to get 645 00:43:47,940 --> 00:43:51,090 perspective for somebody that age now we can like I said, I'm 646 00:43:51,090 --> 00:43:56,040 40 years old, I didn't go through the changing of a school 647 00:43:56,040 --> 00:44:00,060 so I can have a perspective by wanting to get someone of that 648 00:44:00,090 --> 00:44:05,580 age that experienced the as it was happening. So we can get 649 00:44:05,580 --> 00:44:10,110 some perspective of what it was like from a person that attended 650 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,620 black schools, but prior to integration. So that's that's 651 00:44:13,620 --> 00:44:18,930 what Mr. J. Samuel provides to this. Got it to this story. 652 00:44:20,970 --> 00:44:27,360 Yeah, so he, like you said, it's something about I've had white 653 00:44:27,390 --> 00:44:30,510 teachers now have had black teachers. I've had good 654 00:44:30,510 --> 00:44:34,530 teachers, I have bad teachers. What is something about a 655 00:44:34,530 --> 00:44:38,250 teacher that has a certain vested interest in you in you? 656 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:49,050 And and you get that from black educators? Now I can't speak as 657 00:44:49,050 --> 00:44:51,870 far as it doesn't happen between the phenomenon between white 658 00:44:51,870 --> 00:44:57,540 educators and white students, but they don't allow you to 659 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,770 quit. They don't allow you you to listen and I'm just speaking 660 00:45:01,770 --> 00:45:04,350 from the 80s. When I went to school, I had one teacher Miss 661 00:45:04,380 --> 00:45:08,310 Mrs. Tab, and she would die, just give it to you straight. 662 00:45:08,490 --> 00:45:11,730 Like, you know what life is going to be like, you know how 663 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:16,530 the world is, and in there will talk to you in a certain way 664 00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:20,430 that I think maybe a white teacher may not feel comfortable 665 00:45:20,430 --> 00:45:21,420 with saying to you 666 00:45:21,450 --> 00:45:28,350 Well, I've certainly and I think that's that's when the life of a 667 00:45:28,350 --> 00:45:32,700 teacher is most beautiful when they connect with a student. And 668 00:45:32,700 --> 00:45:36,150 I've had that certainly with one history teacher and one 669 00:45:36,180 --> 00:45:44,220 geography teacher. But I never received an any kind of talk 670 00:45:44,220 --> 00:45:48,090 from them about hey, now, you know, you know, you know, where, 671 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,650 how this is all going to wind up the way I think that you got 672 00:45:52,650 --> 00:45:57,810 that. So having that connection with a teacher is universal. The 673 00:45:57,810 --> 00:46:02,730 downside? I don't think anyone said well, you're gonna you're 674 00:46:02,730 --> 00:46:04,380 gonna wind up on the streets dead. 675 00:46:07,230 --> 00:46:10,200 It's funny, my dad was an educator, and he chose to go to 676 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,650 the worst school, whatever it is. He like, what's the worst 677 00:46:13,650 --> 00:46:16,830 school? See me there? Yeah, he was kind of like, he was kind of 678 00:46:16,830 --> 00:46:20,250 like Joe Clark. I mean, knowing you 679 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,050 doesn't surprise me, your dad did. 680 00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:28,140 What he will bring kids home and like, my mom would like fix big 681 00:46:28,140 --> 00:46:31,920 pots of spaghetti. And we've been like three or four 682 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:37,560 students. And I mean, all our teacher salaries. So? Yes, so I 683 00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:41,010 just think but you don't get that now. I don't think because, 684 00:46:42,210 --> 00:46:46,170 well, these days, it's legally dangerous. You know, you'd be 685 00:46:46,170 --> 00:46:50,460 there. Before you know you've been accused of some wrongdoing. 686 00:46:50,610 --> 00:46:53,610 It's a lot. It's a lot of stuff you can't do anymore. As a 687 00:46:53,610 --> 00:46:54,090 teacher. 688 00:46:54,810 --> 00:46:59,370 I totally agree with you. But now not to go down. I'm off on a 689 00:46:59,370 --> 00:47:03,810 tangent. Let's get back to Mr. J. Williams, or Samuel Williams 690 00:47:03,810 --> 00:47:04,200 to 691 00:47:04,530 --> 00:47:12,630 relative to white America, we were taught that a lot of the 692 00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:16,050 values a lot of the values that were that came into being was 693 00:47:16,050 --> 00:47:21,420 sent by a middle class, let's say white America, the way we 694 00:47:21,420 --> 00:47:26,130 were to emulate them, you know, because at this point, we're at 695 00:47:26,130 --> 00:47:32,100 the very threshold of integration. Immolate them, take 696 00:47:32,100 --> 00:47:37,350 on many of these as much as possible, middle class values 697 00:47:37,350 --> 00:47:44,250 and virtues. That was a kind of an inferior stigma placed on 698 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,340 black people you have to watch. But you have to look through it 699 00:47:47,340 --> 00:47:52,860 to see exactly what you know. The real truth behind that is a 700 00:47:52,860 --> 00:47:56,640 stigma of inferiority. You're not exactly what you shouldn't 701 00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,460 be. You know what, you need to do this, you need to do this. 702 00:47:59,460 --> 00:48:03,810 And so in order to be in order to be accepted in the white 703 00:48:03,810 --> 00:48:05,820 world, into a white culture, 704 00:48:05,940 --> 00:48:09,450 yeah, well, that's what you're gonna get, of course, like it's 705 00:48:09,450 --> 00:48:13,950 so it's almost obvious that that that was bound to unpack that 706 00:48:13,950 --> 00:48:17,100 way. Well, you got to do it this way. Well, that's not where I'm 707 00:48:17,100 --> 00:48:21,270 coming from in life. Well, tough shit kid. I can see where that's 708 00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:25,350 a problem to the whole thing is a mess. But this goes 709 00:48:25,350 --> 00:48:28,140 back to the conversation that we had about your friend coming 710 00:48:28,140 --> 00:48:32,160 over. You just wanted to play right. This is what this is what 711 00:48:32,190 --> 00:48:36,600 Jay Samuels Williams is explaining him I know. We have 712 00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:40,590 to you know, we you watch something and you want to 713 00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:44,400 emulate it not for a simple fact that you think is you put it on 714 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,040 a pedestal but you like Oh, well. I'm sure you had this when 715 00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:51,240 you went to Dutch school. Dutch school you like what are the 716 00:48:51,240 --> 00:48:54,540 Dutch kids doing? What's not what's considered normal? Let 717 00:48:54,540 --> 00:48:57,930 me tell you or detsky Let me tell you, they they did division 718 00:48:58,350 --> 00:49:02,610 completely differently. They didn't even have a one number 719 00:49:02,610 --> 00:49:05,790 over another a number with a vertical line. It was a was a 720 00:49:05,790 --> 00:49:09,630 slashed line. It was like what the hell? It's like, okay, well, 721 00:49:09,630 --> 00:49:14,760 I guess I do it that way, which I had no background in it. Very 722 00:49:15,660 --> 00:49:19,380 messed up. It is a gyp this whole school system is a big 723 00:49:19,380 --> 00:49:19,830 chip. 724 00:49:21,210 --> 00:49:24,180 And that's why you felt like the kid when you came, he was 725 00:49:24,180 --> 00:49:29,280 carrying that on his back, like, oh, we have to emulate what we 726 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:36,030 think middle classes. Because you're trying to convince people 727 00:49:36,030 --> 00:49:40,380 that you belong belong there. Yes. And there was never a point 728 00:49:40,380 --> 00:49:43,440 of time where you could let your hair down and be you 729 00:49:43,530 --> 00:49:47,280 know, were there any child psychologists involved in these 730 00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:51,720 in these rules and regulations and this whole thinking process 731 00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:54,930 or was it all just we know what's best for the kids? I just 732 00:49:54,930 --> 00:49:55,890 wonder about that. 733 00:49:56,039 --> 00:50:01,049 It's progress. I mean, it's probably is 100 Yeah, we don't 734 00:50:01,049 --> 00:50:03,779 care about kids crying in the street talking about the world 735 00:50:03,779 --> 00:50:05,609 is coming to the end of eight years. Oh, it's 736 00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:09,510 material. It's great for the photographic material, it would 737 00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:10,860 look great on my resume. 738 00:50:11,580 --> 00:50:14,850 Right now, not only that, but who can fight against crying 739 00:50:14,850 --> 00:50:20,940 kids? Yeah. So these are how these hobbies these kids were 740 00:50:20,940 --> 00:50:25,260 being used. And my just my opinion, and it wasn't even 741 00:50:25,890 --> 00:50:28,290 successful or a fruitful. 742 00:50:28,380 --> 00:50:31,290 Thank you. I mean, oh, it's one thing. And look, it's like, if 743 00:50:31,290 --> 00:50:33,510 you're going to you if you're going to abuse your kid for the 744 00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:36,960 greater good. I mean, that's, that's a very big sacrifice to 745 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:42,930 make. But if it were a misguided cause that Well, here we are, 746 00:50:43,350 --> 00:50:46,500 look at where we are today, then it's kind of sad than it was. 747 00:50:46,830 --> 00:50:50,340 Maybe people really believe this was way to do it. I'm not in 748 00:50:50,340 --> 00:50:52,890 their shoes. These aren't. These are some smart people. 749 00:50:53,460 --> 00:50:59,370 Yeah. But who do dumb things. There were smart people. But it 750 00:50:59,370 --> 00:51:05,040 was my question, was it a status thing to say all my kids go to 751 00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,820 the, to the white school? And I mean, this is a real phenomenon 752 00:51:08,820 --> 00:51:14,430 that I want to bring up and we don't discuss it long, but a lot 753 00:51:14,430 --> 00:51:18,720 of times, quote, unquote, black people would like to be the only 754 00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:23,490 black in a situation. This is real. I'm the only black that 755 00:51:23,490 --> 00:51:26,790 live in my neighborhood. I mean, that means is that a good 756 00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:27,240 hazard? 757 00:51:27,300 --> 00:51:29,370 Is that a good thing? Is that how it's viewed? Yeah, 758 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:35,910 I made it. I in this is real. I mean, this is a real sentiment 759 00:51:35,940 --> 00:51:39,960 of it's cricket and backwards in my book, but that's like, what 760 00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:42,450 do you have any friends or acquaintances who were in that 761 00:51:42,450 --> 00:51:44,040 situation? would say it that way? 762 00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:49,920 Not in that way. Okay. Not it's not they don't say it like that. 763 00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,070 But it's in place where you can say something. Yeah. And it's 764 00:51:53,070 --> 00:51:55,950 the receipts. Telling me you walk around saying, 765 00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,380 I'm doing a podcast with that white dude. 766 00:52:02,610 --> 00:52:04,860 I made it to the top of the podcasting game. 767 00:52:05,309 --> 00:52:08,549 That's right. I'm here. That's just me. You don't see another 768 00:52:08,549 --> 00:52:11,819 white podcasters hanging around? And do you any black ones? Yeah, 769 00:52:11,849 --> 00:52:12,689 exactly. Right. 770 00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:16,500 Right. I wouldn't ever do that. Because it's like, and just to 771 00:52:16,500 --> 00:52:17,160 be of course 772 00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:18,270 not, of course, I get it. 773 00:52:18,450 --> 00:52:23,910 Now. I'm only saying is. It's the opposite. Yeah. It's because 774 00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:28,950 like, yeah, that's another show. But I mean, yeah, it's just that 775 00:52:28,950 --> 00:52:31,980 you have this gauge, like, Oh, am I keeping it real enough? Or, 776 00:52:32,220 --> 00:52:35,790 you know, it's a mental thing. And it's like some people they 777 00:52:35,790 --> 00:52:40,110 don't cares. They want to make it away from their own people. 778 00:52:40,110 --> 00:52:46,830 And that's the case this whole episode hear that? They didn't 779 00:52:46,830 --> 00:52:50,730 want equal schools. They didn't want better schools. It was 780 00:52:51,090 --> 00:52:55,020 they want it. They want it to be over there with them. Yes, 781 00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,020 yes. And this, this is one of the things that we go back to 782 00:52:58,020 --> 00:53:01,350 the white flight with Michelle Obama. It was like, yeah, all 783 00:53:01,350 --> 00:53:07,110 the white people left. And then but who moved in, right. Black 784 00:53:07,110 --> 00:53:10,740 people. So you have a problem with black people that you ran 785 00:53:10,740 --> 00:53:16,740 from? Is this weird thing this goes on. But I'm taught that you 786 00:53:16,740 --> 00:53:17,250 three, 787 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,550 it brought about some stuff prior to because in school, we 788 00:53:20,550 --> 00:53:23,850 were taught, we had we had role models, like I've mentioned 789 00:53:23,850 --> 00:53:27,030 before, we are role models, and our teachers, you know, instill 790 00:53:27,660 --> 00:53:32,070 self pride. And we just knew that someday, you know, we 791 00:53:32,100 --> 00:53:35,790 wouldn't want to be like this, all the time, that someday we 792 00:53:35,790 --> 00:53:39,060 were going to be somebody. So we just, you just kept that in your 793 00:53:39,060 --> 00:53:41,820 mind that one day we're going to leave Prince Edward, we're not 794 00:53:41,820 --> 00:53:44,610 going to be in followed the rest of our lives, you know, and for 795 00:53:44,610 --> 00:53:46,260 the most part most of us did. 796 00:53:48,990 --> 00:53:51,990 So she just goes on to speak about what was the steelton 797 00:53:52,020 --> 00:53:56,100 instilled in them by the teachers that they had at their 798 00:53:56,100 --> 00:54:02,310 all blessed school. So I just think if it's your choice, you 799 00:54:02,310 --> 00:54:05,550 want to integrate his school, that's fine. If you feel like 800 00:54:05,550 --> 00:54:09,510 you know, you want that balance. That's fine. The problem I have 801 00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:13,530 with the whole situation is to twofold. One, the schools got no 802 00:54:13,530 --> 00:54:17,550 better and to the kids were forcing it to an environment 803 00:54:17,550 --> 00:54:23,670 that really caused him. Stress. Yeah, and living with a person 804 00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:26,970 that never really got over it being my father, he never really 805 00:54:26,970 --> 00:54:30,900 got over that. I mean, cuz it's just it's a culture shock. Oh, 806 00:54:30,900 --> 00:54:33,030 as you spoke about, you're saying in the Netherlands is 807 00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:33,180 that? 808 00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:40,350 Are there any success stories of very successful black Americans 809 00:54:40,350 --> 00:54:44,400 who went through this process forced, forced or not, but went 810 00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:48,600 to a white school and then became XYZ 811 00:54:49,230 --> 00:54:54,690 from Allah Harris. She says she was bused. I said black. I said 812 00:54:54,690 --> 00:54:58,800 black Americans. Well, technically, technically, 813 00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:06,270 please. I don't think that's true. 814 00:55:08,550 --> 00:55:11,580 But I'm talking more about you know, back in the in the 815 00:55:11,700 --> 00:55:14,550 60s 70s. Here, the time we're talking about, 816 00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:18,720 I think a lot of your politicians, I mean, this is a 817 00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:21,990 reality all Condoleezza Rice comes to mind, right? Cory 818 00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:26,520 Booker actually good. I mean, so, but because of their 819 00:55:26,550 --> 00:55:30,390 economic status, right, allow them to live in the good 820 00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:33,750 neighborhood. This is the missing piece here. Yeah. That's 821 00:55:33,750 --> 00:55:38,310 why I talk about proximity is because your family was 822 00:55:38,340 --> 00:55:42,030 economically forced, and they are successful. I don't want to 823 00:55:42,030 --> 00:55:45,030 say forged tonight, it was a luck thing, but they worked hard 824 00:55:45,300 --> 00:55:48,240 to move it to that neighborhood, and your kid kind of deserves to 825 00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:52,680 go to that school. But did you think 10 steps ahead, like, 826 00:55:52,980 --> 00:55:55,620 what's the environment really gonna take the toll he's gonna 827 00:55:55,620 --> 00:55:59,190 take on my child, send them to an all white school where they 828 00:55:59,220 --> 00:56:03,360 were, as a show good shout out. Everybody Hates Chris. Yeah. And 829 00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:09,390 it did, where he was academically gifted, and he got 830 00:56:09,390 --> 00:56:13,170 to go to all white school. And he was the only black kid. And 831 00:56:13,170 --> 00:56:16,860 like, you don't want to be the only anything anywhere. Right? 832 00:56:17,940 --> 00:56:21,300 That's not a good thing to be. So I mean, I don't think the 833 00:56:21,300 --> 00:56:23,760 parents really thought it out. It was like, oh, yeah, we're 834 00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,420 gonna make history or, you know, my kid's gonna, you know, be, 835 00:56:27,420 --> 00:56:29,070 you know, right on the front. 836 00:56:29,639 --> 00:56:33,179 Right? Well, but I can see parents, if it's not thought 837 00:56:33,179 --> 00:56:35,609 through thinking of this is the opportunity, I want my kid to 838 00:56:35,609 --> 00:56:39,749 have this opportunity. And really not thinking it through 839 00:56:39,749 --> 00:56:40,439 as a kid. 840 00:56:41,790 --> 00:56:47,040 True, but it does have long term effects on the child and didn't 841 00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:50,430 have long term effects on your community. Because what ends up 842 00:56:50,430 --> 00:56:57,090 happening is maybe that student that's super intelligent, super 843 00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:01,410 charismatic, needs to be an example for his fellow Black 844 00:57:01,410 --> 00:57:07,200 students. Right? You start pulling all the gifted kids out 845 00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,410 of the schools. That's why I was I was totally against No Child 846 00:57:10,410 --> 00:57:12,810 Left Behind. And every right then you leave just 847 00:57:14,100 --> 00:57:16,680 the rest of you literally leave the rest behind. 848 00:57:17,460 --> 00:57:20,190 Right? It's like, oh, yeah, okay, you can read out all the 849 00:57:20,190 --> 00:57:22,110 kids can read on school, that we're gonna move them out to 850 00:57:22,110 --> 00:57:26,340 another school. So why are you leaving behind? Yeah, who, you 851 00:57:26,340 --> 00:57:29,550 know, where's the tutoring coming from? Where's the peer 852 00:57:29,550 --> 00:57:34,290 level? Inspiration coming from nowhere, you have a bunch of 853 00:57:34,290 --> 00:57:38,550 kids that Anna has had to deal with your self esteem as well, 854 00:57:38,550 --> 00:57:42,930 like, oh, they just left me. You know? Yeah. So 855 00:57:43,650 --> 00:57:47,040 Well, again, again, all of this comes from a completely failed 856 00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:51,300 policy idea, which everybody bought into, instead of the 857 00:57:51,300 --> 00:57:54,120 obvious, which is, hey, let's make our the schools in our 858 00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:55,050 neighborhood better. 859 00:57:57,540 --> 00:58:01,110 Alright, so let's continue on with top values for 860 00:58:01,500 --> 00:58:06,480 so we learned to work within the confines to be creative, as much 861 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:10,680 as possible, to make us as black people say, love to make do with 862 00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:15,960 what you have. And by this adaptability to this old inner 863 00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:20,190 culture, you know, this is what brought brought forth many other 864 00:58:20,190 --> 00:58:23,970 things, many of the qualities and the strengths, and admit 865 00:58:23,970 --> 00:58:27,900 that we had to live beyond where we were, you know, we were not 866 00:58:27,900 --> 00:58:31,170 taught just to watch what you're watching right now. You know, 867 00:58:31,260 --> 00:58:33,660 there's to look down, right? Where you in the 50s. But look 868 00:58:33,660 --> 00:58:35,790 ahead, there's something out there, you know, 869 00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:41,970 go get it. So that's just him continuing on with what they 870 00:58:41,970 --> 00:58:47,070 were. What the they were of the day. Yeah. And what they were 871 00:58:47,070 --> 00:58:50,370 given from the I just want to highlight that because everybody 872 00:58:50,370 --> 00:58:53,670 wants to make this make it seem like, it's a couple of things I 873 00:58:53,670 --> 00:58:56,730 want to tear down here. What everybody want may seem like the 874 00:58:56,730 --> 00:59:00,000 old black school was just terrible. Yeah. I mean, no, 875 00:59:00,030 --> 00:59:06,300 there's some very prominent black high schools even today. 876 00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,510 One of them being I think it still opened in Durham, North 877 00:59:09,510 --> 00:59:13,710 Carolina call hillside High School. That was the town I grew 878 00:59:13,710 --> 00:59:17,340 up in. And I really wanted to go to that school. But my dad was 879 00:59:17,340 --> 00:59:22,140 like, Nah, you're not going to hillside. Oh, why not? Why not? 880 00:59:22,860 --> 00:59:27,420 Because they had already at the year I was, let's see. So I was 881 00:59:27,420 --> 00:59:32,580 in high school from 94 to 99. This data had been getting out 882 00:59:32,610 --> 00:59:39,330 all the effluent shoe kids. It was like the school for the 883 00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:43,620 quote unquote ghetto. Now, obviously, I'm sorry. I mean, 884 00:59:43,620 --> 00:59:46,800 because it was it was no more middle class in this school 885 00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:54,540 district. You see, I'm saying so I was like my dad has this now. 886 00:59:54,540 --> 00:59:58,410 He was like, Nah, that's not gonna happen, even though he 887 00:59:58,410 --> 01:00:01,440 would go teach at that school. He will lie in but he didn't 888 01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,510 teach you that school because he was at the worst school and that 889 01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:07,500 like there was like the behavioral school. But so you 890 01:00:07,500 --> 01:00:09,960 say you want to like not you wanted to be a Hornet. 891 01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:13,680 Yes. hillside Hornet. 892 01:00:14,340 --> 01:00:18,090 Right. Because I just love, I meant to be honest with you. And 893 01:00:18,090 --> 01:00:20,730 me, this may sound funky, but I just like always felt 894 01:00:20,730 --> 01:00:23,040 comfortable around being around all black people. Sure, I 895 01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,800 haven't went to historically black college for that reason, 896 01:00:26,100 --> 01:00:32,460 it was just a little inside baseball, as a black child, you 897 01:00:32,460 --> 01:00:34,950 only have a certain amount of years where you can be incubated 898 01:00:36,330 --> 01:00:40,770 with your own people, right? Until you had to become 899 01:00:40,830 --> 01:00:45,660 integrated into society. So you know, high school is when you're 900 01:00:45,660 --> 01:00:49,620 young adult college is your age when you become a real adult, 901 01:00:51,210 --> 01:00:54,330 quote, unquote, adult, but and then, um, then you have to go 902 01:00:54,330 --> 01:00:57,480 out to the workforce, and you really can't pick and choose 903 01:00:58,050 --> 01:01:01,050 them. So that was like, oh, man, I want to be around, you know, 904 01:01:02,100 --> 01:01:06,900 my own people. But I think my dad had foresight to understand 905 01:01:06,900 --> 01:01:09,750 they see like, yeah, they're not going to accept you. 906 01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:13,920 Right, so What school did you wind up going to? 907 01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:18,960 I went to Riverside High School, which was about 5050 4060, 908 01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,930 somewhere around there, which Durham is almost like 5050, 909 01:01:21,930 --> 01:01:25,260 black, white, and Excel, which is strange. I mean, it's a 910 01:01:25,260 --> 01:01:28,680 weird, unique, I'm gonna say unique, not weird, a unique 911 01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:32,970 place to grow, because every other person you see is black. I 912 01:01:32,970 --> 01:01:35,820 mean, at the time I was there, I mean, now it's a huge Hispanic 913 01:01:35,820 --> 01:01:40,440 population. But yeah, it was just, I don't know, it just you 914 01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:44,400 just feel it. You know what I used to think it was weird, or 915 01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,730 you don't be like that Mo. Because, you know, that's not 916 01:01:47,730 --> 01:01:49,890 the way things you need to think integrate it, you know, 917 01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:54,540 integration mindset. But now that I work with a, in a 918 01:01:54,540 --> 01:01:59,220 corporation that has people from all over the world, at lunch, 919 01:01:59,550 --> 01:02:03,900 everybody sits with their own kind, is forced is unforced 920 01:02:03,900 --> 01:02:06,540 segregation. I mean, it's weird go, you would look in the 921 01:02:06,540 --> 01:02:09,360 cafeteria, it's like, oh, yeah, you have this group over there, 922 01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:14,580 this group over there, you know, is. So it's like, you will 923 01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:18,420 actually be made feel black people will be made, made to 924 01:02:18,420 --> 01:02:21,060 feel bad, because you wanted to do that. But then you see 925 01:02:21,060 --> 01:02:21,870 everybody else doing 926 01:02:22,020 --> 01:02:27,300 so right. Now, I'll just wager though, at your high tech 927 01:02:27,300 --> 01:02:32,880 executive, you know, you've got a lot of H two B visa workers, 928 01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:37,290 you've got people who are in recent immigrant background, 929 01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:43,740 right, which is a little a little different. But in 930 01:02:43,740 --> 01:02:48,540 general, when it comes to food, you know, I went to a an 931 01:02:48,540 --> 01:02:53,190 integrated college, not very long, because I just couldn't 932 01:02:53,190 --> 01:02:57,150 stand what the hell I was doing there. And my roommate was black 933 01:02:57,150 --> 01:03:04,380 kid from Trenton, New Jersey. And even around foods. Yeah, 934 01:03:04,410 --> 01:03:08,460 there's so much difference in culturally in what, what we want 935 01:03:08,460 --> 01:03:13,590 to eat. Of course, we all agreed on Mickey D's that was easy. And 936 01:03:13,590 --> 01:03:18,900 I drive, but lunchtime, good food time is always going to be 937 01:03:18,900 --> 01:03:21,630 interesting. And people will of course, gravitate towards people 938 01:03:21,630 --> 01:03:23,550 who are maybe eating something they like. 939 01:03:24,930 --> 01:03:27,810 I don't really think it's eating. Is that when you want to 940 01:03:27,810 --> 01:03:31,530 speak in your native tongue that too? Yeah, sure. Sure. You know, 941 01:03:31,980 --> 01:03:36,780 when you want to say a joke, and not have to explain it, right? 942 01:03:37,140 --> 01:03:40,380 Or in other words, it's a bunch of different things. 943 01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,920 Let me take your side. So what you're saying is, it's a natural 944 01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:47,370 human occurrence to want to sit with your own culture. 945 01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,850 Everybody wants to be around their own kind. Now, can you 946 01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:56,790 intermingle with other people? Yeah, of course, and you 947 01:03:56,790 --> 01:04:00,990 appreciate the things that other cultures bring, of course. And 948 01:04:00,990 --> 01:04:05,460 that's why I don't really get so emotional about racism, because 949 01:04:05,460 --> 01:04:10,500 I have a very unique and this is just me, I have a very unique 950 01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:18,930 view on racism. Racism is a weird form of nepotism. Because 951 01:04:20,610 --> 01:04:23,250 if you were able to hire somebody to look like you, 952 01:04:23,250 --> 01:04:26,940 you're gonna do it because they're kind of like extended 953 01:04:26,940 --> 01:04:32,070 family. That's how I look at it. Now, do people who charge it 954 01:04:32,070 --> 01:04:35,100 with hate? Of course they do. I'm not I'm not denying what 955 01:04:35,099 --> 01:04:39,449 you're saying. Okay, well, when you when you equate racism to 956 01:04:39,449 --> 01:04:43,439 nepotism, it's kind of the reverse instead of, I'm better 957 01:04:43,439 --> 01:04:48,479 than my because the textbook definition, my race is superior 958 01:04:48,479 --> 01:04:51,479 to that person's race. Therefore, I'm going to hire the 959 01:04:51,479 --> 01:04:56,969 superior person. It's a little different. And it's not about 960 01:04:56,969 --> 01:04:59,399 superiority. It's like well, I feel comfortable with this 961 01:04:59,399 --> 01:04:59,969 person. 962 01:05:00,690 --> 01:05:05,460 I think is a merge of both what you said, because there's some 963 01:05:05,460 --> 01:05:09,420 vanity Oh, yeah, we're the best. I think everybody thinks that up 964 01:05:09,420 --> 01:05:15,330 there. Whatever group it is age group, boom, will versus course, 965 01:05:15,330 --> 01:05:21,240 of course. So your group, you're going to feel that you're the 966 01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:25,950 best. And then you say, well, since I, my groups the best I 967 01:05:25,950 --> 01:05:29,010 want to surround myself around with that group, whether it be 968 01:05:29,010 --> 01:05:33,210 to be comfortable, whether they be understand or whether, oh, 969 01:05:33,210 --> 01:05:37,260 that's a distant cousin, me like, oh, well, no, 970 01:05:37,260 --> 01:05:41,160 you're absolutely right. And in the corporate environment today, 971 01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,890 the biggest problem I'd say is, of course, not racism, the 972 01:05:43,890 --> 01:05:47,850 biggest problem is ageism, for the very reasons you outline 973 01:05:47,850 --> 01:05:51,960 there is certainly in Silicon Valley, where there are 40 year 974 01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:55,860 olds, 40 Plus, who are incredibly skilled at the 975 01:05:55,980 --> 01:05:59,040 technological near the technological prowess, whatever 976 01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:02,670 it is, let's just call it say coding engine software engineer. 977 01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:08,100 But they're very, they don't get hired because people want to 978 01:06:08,100 --> 01:06:09,540 have younger people around. 979 01:06:11,010 --> 01:06:14,040 Yeah, cuz they think they know, younger people know, they don't 980 01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:17,910 know anything. Well, true. I would just say that's how they 981 01:06:17,910 --> 01:06:23,340 look at like, know how to download the app or whatever. I 982 01:06:23,340 --> 01:06:27,810 mean, so I mean, that's why I say this. The reason why I say 983 01:06:27,810 --> 01:06:33,060 this about and I'm going to be short on nepotism, where you go 984 01:06:33,060 --> 01:06:35,880 into a situation you have a mindset of and I've done a lot 985 01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:39,690 of growing in the last I guess, 1010 years, because just being 986 01:06:39,690 --> 01:06:43,980 exposed to different things. I'm not gonna say the gender or the 987 01:06:43,980 --> 01:06:53,070 nationality of my last boss, but the people that that person 988 01:06:53,070 --> 01:06:58,260 hired, first shared the same nationality as them. The next 989 01:06:58,260 --> 01:07:03,570 four people they hired. Yeah, sure. And then the next to 990 01:07:03,570 --> 01:07:10,440 shared the same gender as them. Sure. So I'm looking at now I'm 991 01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:14,790 like, Hold on is this. What is this saying? Like? It's 992 01:07:14,790 --> 01:07:20,910 nepotism? Yeah, it's it's a standard form of nepotism. And 993 01:07:20,910 --> 01:07:25,380 just for a little little comment, relief. I like 994 01:07:25,380 --> 01:07:26,160 nepotism. 995 01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:29,790 All right. Your daughter Ivanka will be taking Caroline's please 996 01:07:29,820 --> 01:07:31,740 on The Apprentice. Correct. Nepotism? 997 01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:35,550 That's true. Why I like nepotism, you know, can't take 998 01:07:35,550 --> 01:07:38,850 care of your kids. You know that better than I was a big fan of I 999 01:07:38,850 --> 01:07:41,520 liked nepotism, I think, you know, a lot of people say Oh, 1000 01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:46,020 nepotism. So usually these are people without children. I like 1001 01:07:46,110 --> 01:07:46,950 nepotism. 1002 01:07:49,830 --> 01:07:53,970 And just just to be to be completely clear, the textbook 1003 01:07:53,970 --> 01:07:56,880 definition of nepotism because a lot of people think it's only 1004 01:07:56,910 --> 01:08:00,900 relatives. Textbook, the practice among those with power 1005 01:08:00,900 --> 01:08:04,950 or influence have favoring relatives or friends. Especially 1006 01:08:04,950 --> 01:08:08,730 by giving them jobs, so it's not. Nepotism is often confused 1007 01:08:08,730 --> 01:08:12,540 with only only family but family friends. Yeah. 1008 01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:17,670 But is that a weird viewpoint? I mean, that's just how I look at 1009 01:08:17,670 --> 01:08:20,130 it. I mean, it sounds really take offense to 1010 01:08:20,130 --> 01:08:24,150 it. No, it sounds really honest. But you know what it is, in 1011 01:08:24,150 --> 01:08:28,410 today's social justice world, even saying that, and I should 1012 01:08:28,410 --> 01:08:30,990 probably play this clip on no agenda just just to make some 1013 01:08:31,020 --> 01:08:36,630 people's heads explode. Just saying it all so wrong. So from 1014 01:08:36,630 --> 01:08:41,070 nepotism, inept, a bedsheet nepotism is will be just as bad 1015 01:08:41,100 --> 01:08:45,570 certainly coming from a guy like Trump. Do people feel just as 1016 01:08:45,570 --> 01:08:49,800 bad as racism? You're sure it's an ism. You're cutting people 1017 01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:52,260 short you know, you're jumping other people not getting a fair 1018 01:08:52,260 --> 01:08:53,790 shot fair chance. 1019 01:08:55,079 --> 01:08:59,339 But people do it all the time. Whether it's religion, color, 1020 01:08:59,699 --> 01:09:01,529 gender, age. 1021 01:09:05,159 --> 01:09:10,979 Well, I don't know. I grew up and two things my mom always 1022 01:09:10,979 --> 01:09:16,829 said to me, and most of them no longer apply. So now you're 15 1023 01:09:16,829 --> 01:09:19,859 years younger than I am but I grew up with sticks and stones 1024 01:09:19,859 --> 01:09:22,109 will break my bones names will never hurt me. 1025 01:09:22,380 --> 01:09:25,320 And life is not fair. 1026 01:09:26,550 --> 01:09:30,510 So that's what I grew up with. And and I think it was important 1027 01:09:30,510 --> 01:09:32,700 that I heard that because like, well, you know, some shits 1028 01:09:32,730 --> 01:09:35,160 unfair and oh, yeah, life's unfair. 1029 01:09:35,189 --> 01:09:41,249 Okay. And a lot of people are unfair. They talk a good game 1030 01:09:41,249 --> 01:09:44,969 Sure. But if you if we got to choose between this this a 1031 01:09:44,969 --> 01:09:48,989 religion of somebody that Christian not me personally, but 1032 01:09:48,989 --> 01:09:51,509 somebody the Christian and the guy hiring as a Christian and 1033 01:09:51,509 --> 01:09:55,019 the other guy not sure. It's like, I gotta look out for my 1034 01:09:55,019 --> 01:09:59,999 Christian brother, which makes it family. You see what I'm 1035 01:09:59,999 --> 01:10:03,119 Going here, but I digress on that, but I'm just explaining to 1036 01:10:03,119 --> 01:10:09,989 you. This is a lot to explain about American history in the 1037 01:10:09,989 --> 01:10:14,399 history of race, as a lot is baked in it is nepotism in my 1038 01:10:14,399 --> 01:10:20,009 viewpoint. Sure. to expound on that more, I have a clip from 1039 01:10:20,039 --> 01:10:24,269 just to go. This is Muhammad Ali, I think in 1971, I want to 1040 01:10:24,269 --> 01:10:26,609 say on racial integration, 1041 01:10:26,730 --> 01:10:28,710 like people to move in the neighborhoods were clean their 1042 01:10:28,710 --> 01:10:32,010 neighborhoods. And another thing when you say integration, it 1043 01:10:32,010 --> 01:10:35,910 comes on the end of marriage to write together and I'm sure no 1044 01:10:35,910 --> 01:10:38,610 one tells you a white person watching this show no 1045 01:10:38,610 --> 01:10:43,560 intelligent white man and his or her right white man. Won't black 1046 01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,530 boys and black girls marrying their white sons and daughters, 1047 01:10:46,740 --> 01:10:50,070 and in return introducing their grandchildren as half brown, 1048 01:10:50,190 --> 01:10:54,330 kinky head black people, I am sure object. You wouldn't but a 1049 01:10:54,330 --> 01:10:55,710 lot of what I'm sure a lot of people 1050 01:10:55,710 --> 01:10:56,670 don't know. What I'm 1051 01:10:56,670 --> 01:10:59,130 trying to say is is what I'm trying to say is this. You don't 1052 01:10:59,130 --> 01:11:01,260 have it you say you don't you don't have it, you really ain't 1053 01:11:01,260 --> 01:11:03,060 gonna have it. He's on the show. And you got to say that 1054 01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:08,580 doesn't that's not true? Why would you want to do that? 1055 01:11:08,610 --> 01:11:11,250 Because I don't think I'm any different from USC. 1056 01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:14,640 Here we are, we must different made us different. We are 1057 01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:16,290 different. And we all together. Society 1058 01:11:16,290 --> 01:11:18,870 has made us different now in that society. God made us diff 1059 01:11:18,870 --> 01:11:21,300 No, no, we're just human beings. He made all of us. We all 1060 01:11:21,300 --> 01:11:21,690 listen, 1061 01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:25,770 blue birds fly with blue birds, Ray burrs on the birds. Just 1062 01:11:25,770 --> 01:11:29,010 listen to me when I'm wrong. Pigeons want to be with pigeons? 1063 01:11:31,050 --> 01:11:34,230 We must wish them they don't have intelligence. But yet they 1064 01:11:34,230 --> 01:11:36,600 stay together. We should have more intelligence than them. 1065 01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:36,930 Right. 1066 01:11:39,210 --> 01:11:46,680 Nice one. What you want here this from the corporate image of 1067 01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:47,550 Muhammad Ali? 1068 01:11:48,989 --> 01:11:54,959 No, no, no. There's a lot I've heard on this show that I never 1069 01:11:54,959 --> 01:11:56,729 heard from the corporate believe me. 1070 01:11:57,510 --> 01:11:59,940 And that's the point of why I'm doing this. You didn't hear 1071 01:11:59,940 --> 01:12:04,290 about the burning house. MLK, you didn't hear about this 1072 01:12:04,290 --> 01:12:08,670 corporate this stance that Ali had. And it's not like I said, 1073 01:12:08,670 --> 01:12:13,410 we all bring something to the table. We're all, you know, 1074 01:12:13,740 --> 01:12:17,310 created equally, but just differently. And that analogy I 1075 01:12:17,310 --> 01:12:20,430 use for that is a pound of feathers and a pound of stones. 1076 01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:24,450 They're both a pound. But there's two different things. So 1077 01:12:24,450 --> 01:12:28,440 always, so it's not like one one is superior, inferior. Whatever. 1078 01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:32,220 That's not the point is that, like peep Redbirds, like the 1079 01:12:32,220 --> 01:12:35,160 mute red birds blue birds like the blue blue birds now, can we 1080 01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:37,470 all stand together and make seeing this beautiful harmony, 1081 01:12:37,500 --> 01:12:43,290 of course, but which you won't hear this? Because he's like, 1082 01:12:43,290 --> 01:12:44,160 it's a narrative. 1083 01:12:44,220 --> 01:12:50,220 Very, very unpopular thing to say Mo. And I just like to take 1084 01:12:50,220 --> 01:12:54,060 a moment to recognize the conversation we're having here. 1085 01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:59,070 I think it's incredibly valuable. It is to me, and I 1086 01:12:59,070 --> 01:13:01,770 hope other people who are listening consider that because, 1087 01:13:01,830 --> 01:13:05,820 you know, take, it takes trust, it takes work. It is a shitload 1088 01:13:05,820 --> 01:13:09,270 of work. You're doing mo on producing this. And I think it's 1089 01:13:09,270 --> 01:13:12,660 valuable. And I want everyone to consider thinking about us. Mo 1090 01:13:12,660 --> 01:13:13,830 fund me.com. 1091 01:13:15,030 --> 01:13:21,090 I appreciate that, Adam. And it is is it is brave. Is brave for 1092 01:13:21,090 --> 01:13:22,980 that. And I'm not saying that because we're the to having a 1093 01:13:22,980 --> 01:13:28,620 conversation, but it's unscripted. You don't know what 1094 01:13:28,620 --> 01:13:31,560 I'm gonna come with. I don't know what your response is going 1095 01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:35,760 to be. But we show up every week to have a conversation to kind 1096 01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:39,930 of enlighten each other. Yes. I've learned just as much as 1097 01:13:39,930 --> 01:13:44,700 I've shared, because I only can see things through my eyes. Now 1098 01:13:44,700 --> 01:13:49,260 this colorblind thing they want to do. Oh, we're colorblind? No, 1099 01:13:49,260 --> 01:13:54,990 we're not. No, no, we're not no, no. Inessa does such such 1100 01:13:54,990 --> 01:13:57,780 disrespectful because it's like, oh, yeah, you're not gonna 1101 01:13:57,780 --> 01:14:01,380 respect the person to see them for who they are, you know, you 1102 01:14:01,380 --> 01:14:02,820 want them to fit inside of a box. 1103 01:14:02,850 --> 01:14:05,730 I think eventually, on the show, we're going to pinpoint the 1104 01:14:05,730 --> 01:14:12,060 moment where this all went haywire. Where it was, it may be 1105 01:14:12,060 --> 01:14:15,900 it's a it's a long period of time. But the idea that it just 1106 01:14:15,930 --> 01:14:19,800 does not okay to say hey, we're a little different. Now, this 1107 01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:24,480 show is set up to have different you know, that's the whole 1108 01:14:24,510 --> 01:14:28,080 concept is the two different two American guys coming from 1109 01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:32,610 different backgrounds. shooting the shit, you're talking about 1110 01:14:32,610 --> 01:14:38,550 stuff. But somewhere, it became very unpopular. To say, you 1111 01:14:38,550 --> 01:14:42,300 know, it's like, Moe and I, we talk two hours a week and then 1112 01:14:42,300 --> 01:14:44,970 he's with his buddies. I'm with my buddies, you know, whatever. 1113 01:14:44,970 --> 01:14:48,780 And we don't really have integrated lives that way. But 1114 01:14:48,780 --> 01:14:52,650 it's the way maybe it should be. This is a very enlightening 1115 01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:53,370 thought. 1116 01:14:54,000 --> 01:15:01,020 And it's okay to be different. We don't have to be This 1117 01:15:02,220 --> 01:15:06,540 culturally, society, everybody wants to tuck their culture away 1118 01:15:06,540 --> 01:15:10,230 and like, oh, no, no, I don't I don't, I'm not that kind of that 1119 01:15:10,290 --> 01:15:13,860 a word or this kind of that, you know, I'm, I'm even being 1120 01:15:13,860 --> 01:15:16,710 American he's like, Oh, I'm not that kind of American you know, 1121 01:15:16,710 --> 01:15:22,590 I'm this brand safe Americans like no, I'm me. 1122 01:15:22,620 --> 01:15:25,080 You know I like it at the military is actually a good 1123 01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:30,150 example but a buddy of mine taxi Eric in in Amsterdam. He's a cab 1124 01:15:30,150 --> 01:15:33,630 driver, but he was on an oil rig for eight years. Yeah, that's 1125 01:15:33,630 --> 01:15:38,640 like two weeks, three weeks on two weeks off. And, and he would 1126 01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:40,650 tell me stories because you know, you fly it was in the 1127 01:15:40,650 --> 01:15:44,280 North Sea. So you'd get on a helicopter very dangerous. You 1128 01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:47,910 know, with 25 people in one helicopter, you land on this 1129 01:15:47,910 --> 01:15:52,680 little pinhead in the middle of the the angry sea. there and 1130 01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,770 it's all different backgrounds, particularly from Europe, 1131 01:15:55,770 --> 01:15:59,970 there's guys from Croatia, there's a Polish there's a lot 1132 01:15:59,970 --> 01:16:02,550 of British there's an even differences with the Irish and 1133 01:16:02,550 --> 01:16:05,730 the Scots, the Dutch, the Belgians, and they all come 1134 01:16:05,730 --> 01:16:08,820 together and they all perform this miraculous dangerous work 1135 01:16:08,850 --> 01:16:12,690 on a on a drilling platform. But he was saying, yeah, the Brits 1136 01:16:12,690 --> 01:16:15,090 are over there that drink in their stuff, and that and you're 1137 01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:18,270 sure we hang out, but we work really well together. And, and 1138 01:16:18,270 --> 01:16:21,270 we're professionals. But yeah, it was, you know, those guys do 1139 01:16:21,270 --> 01:16:23,490 that. And they have that and they got their special meal and 1140 01:16:23,490 --> 01:16:26,610 do their thing. And those guys like to stay up at night. And 1141 01:16:26,610 --> 01:16:29,760 somehow that's just the way it works. But it also just worked 1142 01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:33,180 because they all wanted to be there for a common goal. But it 1143 01:16:33,180 --> 01:16:36,150 was the differences that gave him the interesting stories. 1144 01:16:36,390 --> 01:16:38,730 Like, oh, those guys were crazy. He's what they used to do. 1145 01:16:39,810 --> 01:16:46,950 And to speak on separation. Your is mostly white people, quote 1146 01:16:46,950 --> 01:16:49,320 unquote, white people, I mean, just the use of the corporate 1147 01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:52,740 designation, but they are separated into small little 1148 01:16:52,740 --> 01:16:59,820 nation to Hell yeah. So it's like, it's okay for them to say 1149 01:16:59,820 --> 01:17:03,660 all non French. I'm British. I'm this I'm that I'm Italian, you 1150 01:17:03,660 --> 01:17:04,080 know? 1151 01:17:04,140 --> 01:17:08,490 Well, interestingly, no. The European Union, the project 1152 01:17:08,490 --> 01:17:12,450 known as the European Union, is going exactly the opposite. Shut 1153 01:17:12,450 --> 01:17:15,390 up. We're all the same, we all have the same. We have the same 1154 01:17:15,390 --> 01:17:18,960 passport, we all have the same money. We all kind of want to do 1155 01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:21,480 the same things. And you're going to do it the way we tell 1156 01:17:21,480 --> 01:17:24,000 you to because we're the European Union Starfleet 1157 01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,910 Command. So the globalists are definitely moving in the 1158 01:17:26,910 --> 01:17:29,910 opposite direction, which is, I think was what you're pointing 1159 01:17:29,910 --> 01:17:31,680 out is where the friction comes from. 1160 01:17:32,010 --> 01:17:36,330 And that's the point of was this a test run to say if we can make 1161 01:17:36,390 --> 01:17:41,580 the total opposite merge the rest of the world it will be a 1162 01:17:41,580 --> 01:17:42,180 piece of cake, and 1163 01:17:42,180 --> 01:17:44,070 I liked that conspiracy theory. 1164 01:17:46,650 --> 01:17:49,530 Because a lot of things that came out of America and his 60s, 1165 01:17:49,890 --> 01:17:53,640 it was just pushed around the world. And this I mean, well, 1166 01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:57,720 60s 70s and even 80s were pushed around the world is this is one 1167 01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:01,710 world one everything 11111 1168 01:18:01,710 --> 01:18:04,800 World one government. Imagine all the people 1169 01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:08,640 write the Coca Cola thing. Yeah, exactly. 1170 01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:12,210 So Well, that was different. That was that was I'd like to 1171 01:18:12,210 --> 01:18:18,480 teach the world in perfect harmony. That was a very good 1172 01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:21,450 example of they have a Colors of 1173 01:18:21,450 --> 01:18:29,550 Benetton. So I have a clip from Mr. Malcolm X. And he's going to 1174 01:18:29,550 --> 01:18:34,140 explain the difference between segregation and separation. 1175 01:18:34,260 --> 01:18:37,980 Is it fair to say as a generality and as I said, 1176 01:18:37,980 --> 01:18:40,560 succinct way to put it that you believe in segregation of the 1177 01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:43,860 races, no segregation is that which is Mr. Muhammad says that 1178 01:18:43,860 --> 01:18:47,040 segregation is that which is forced upon inferiors, by 1179 01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:51,450 superiors. Separation is done voluntarily by two equals, you 1180 01:18:51,450 --> 01:18:54,180 never refer to the Oriental community in which Orientals 1181 01:18:54,180 --> 01:18:58,200 live exclusively as a segregated community. Because they live 1182 01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:00,810 there voluntarily. They everything there is controlled 1183 01:19:00,810 --> 01:19:03,420 by them, the economy, the politics, the civic 1184 01:19:03,420 --> 01:19:06,390 organizations, but the negro community is referred to as a 1185 01:19:06,390 --> 01:19:09,510 segregated community, because Negroes are forced to live in 1186 01:19:09,510 --> 01:19:13,170 that community, contrary to their will, and they don't 1187 01:19:13,170 --> 01:19:16,230 control the businesses of their community. They don't control 1188 01:19:16,230 --> 01:19:18,660 the politics of their community nor their social 1189 01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:24,540 life. Right. So that's the difference between segregation 1190 01:19:24,540 --> 01:19:29,100 and separation. I think we all appreciate a little separation, 1191 01:19:29,100 --> 01:19:32,730 because when you go to worship houses, all of America, most of 1192 01:19:32,730 --> 01:19:36,540 them tend to people worship with people that look like them, in 1193 01:19:36,540 --> 01:19:40,770 one way, shape, or form. But one thing he brought up was the 1194 01:19:40,770 --> 01:19:45,150 control in their community. So this is where this story hits 1195 01:19:45,150 --> 01:19:54,420 home for me. All over America. There were small, but prosperous 1196 01:19:54,450 --> 01:19:59,640 black cities. You had a rosewood you had Tulsa. I'm sure you 1197 01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:06,480 heard of Oh, I'm Newark. Yeah, I mean, and you're a newer Harlem, 1198 01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:12,450 all these places that were was booming, but the one and my city 1199 01:20:12,450 --> 01:20:16,740 was called Hey, Todd district. And hey, Todd district. Well, 1200 01:20:16,740 --> 01:20:18,540 I'll let this clip explain it. How 1201 01:20:18,540 --> 01:20:28,080 come of age when it was flush, you know, with black businesses 1202 01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:33,000 along fail the street along Pedigo street black businesses 1203 01:20:33,660 --> 01:20:37,590 and commercial neighborhoods, but you have five tobacco 1204 01:20:37,590 --> 01:20:43,110 companies here universal legal mass, who Robertson, American 1205 01:20:43,110 --> 01:20:47,520 Tobacco Company Imperial. And so a lot of folks went right to 1206 01:20:48,030 --> 01:20:51,090 tobacco facts good thing about in megapack they were all 1207 01:20:51,690 --> 01:20:56,160 unionized jobs. So they gave you know, black people have an 1208 01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:59,940 opportunity to, to use against you know, discrimination or 1209 01:20:59,940 --> 01:21:01,380 whatever else happening. 1210 01:21:02,819 --> 01:21:06,149 Okay, I'm looking this up now. The hate tide district. 1211 01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:16,740 Yep. So as a kid, they would. I was a young Freedom Rider. I 1212 01:21:16,740 --> 01:21:19,530 think it's like seventh grade. They put us on the bus and they 1213 01:21:19,530 --> 01:21:21,930 wrote us around like we were in the civil rights movement. 1214 01:21:22,440 --> 01:21:26,430 Where was it? What is it like a Civil War reenactment only for 1215 01:21:26,430 --> 01:21:27,510 civil rights movements? 1216 01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:32,310 Yeah, pretty much. Okay. Yeah, so they put us on the bus. I 1217 01:21:32,310 --> 01:21:34,290 mean, it was for the kids that we know we're pretty 1218 01:21:34,290 --> 01:21:35,190 academically. 1219 01:21:35,700 --> 01:21:38,070 Is this once a year was there a certain date? 1220 01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:40,650 Of course you know, black history might come on 1221 01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:45,960 oh, that's right. What is that these days? Is that March I 1222 01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:53,880 forget. It's February I never realized 1223 01:21:54,780 --> 01:21:58,320 the coldest of the short 28 days just want to 1224 01:21:59,489 --> 01:22:05,729 find out what douchebag proclaim that first. I wonder who came up 1225 01:22:05,729 --> 01:22:09,569 with that? That's that is that is as fucked up as what that is 1226 01:22:09,599 --> 01:22:10,379 as very funny. 1227 01:22:10,380 --> 01:22:13,950 Everybody else getting better monsters after us. It's like, we 1228 01:22:13,950 --> 01:22:16,530 need to swap this man out. If you're gonna give other people 1229 01:22:16,530 --> 01:22:18,990 months. I would much rather have June you 1230 01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:28,020 need a refund on the word. Cool. Proclaim this first I want to 1231 01:22:28,020 --> 01:22:33,480 know. That was first proposed by black educators and the black 1232 01:22:33,480 --> 01:22:36,030 United students at Kent State University. 1233 01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:39,570 Educators. Okay. The first 1234 01:22:39,570 --> 01:22:47,280 celebration of Black History. So cynical MO The first Black 1235 01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:50,970 History Month took place at Kent State one year later January 2 1236 01:22:51,300 --> 01:22:57,360 to February 28. So that was two months, huh? Okay, President 1237 01:22:57,360 --> 01:23:00,510 Gerald Ford recognized black history month for the first 1238 01:23:00,510 --> 01:23:06,780 time. Thanks, Drew. Yeah, wow, he was a bumbling fool. 1239 01:23:07,350 --> 01:23:10,830 Yeah, we got Yeah. This easier to remember. Just easy to 1240 01:23:10,830 --> 01:23:11,430 remember what? 1241 01:23:11,700 --> 01:23:15,060 I'll never I'll never forget that. Yes, I'm sure you will. 1242 01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:19,500 And, and by the way, everybody in case you you don't remember, 1243 01:23:19,650 --> 01:23:23,340 all of the things we discussed are in the show notes at mo fund 1244 01:23:23,370 --> 01:23:26,880 mo facts.com. As we can find all these links. 1245 01:23:28,230 --> 01:23:32,160 So yep. So that but yeah, just to go they will take us to hate 1246 01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:35,520 time and they will tell us a story of how Hey, Tom Woods is a 1247 01:23:35,550 --> 01:23:40,350 dentist in doctors offices and taxi cabs and everything dry 1248 01:23:40,350 --> 01:23:46,410 cleaners ever it was all self sufficient part of town and, and 1249 01:23:46,410 --> 01:23:49,020 the crown jewel, one of the crown jewels that was hillside 1250 01:23:49,020 --> 01:23:56,250 High School. The black high school. So it was this, this 1251 01:23:56,250 --> 01:24:00,510 rich history. But what they did was and this is gonna be another 1252 01:24:00,510 --> 01:24:04,470 show for another day. They destroyed it with urban renewal. 1253 01:24:05,130 --> 01:24:09,600 They took the Durham freeway and ran it right slap dab in the 1254 01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:11,010 middle of Hayti 1255 01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:15,330 Wow. So you got a West Side east side or north and south 1256 01:24:15,330 --> 01:24:16,200 whichever it was. 1257 01:24:16,830 --> 01:24:20,730 Yes, I think it was east and west. Yeah. So that's what you 1258 01:24:20,730 --> 01:24:23,610 saw this same image and I promise I'm going to do his show 1259 01:24:23,610 --> 01:24:30,510 later on. But this wasn't just a a one off thing it was this 1260 01:24:30,510 --> 01:24:34,770 happened all over urban renewal highways ran right in the middle 1261 01:24:34,770 --> 01:24:37,770 and it was similar to what they're doing this goes wait 1262 01:24:37,770 --> 01:24:40,740 it's a wait though back guys. I think it's like show two three. 1263 01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:43,740 What we talked about general gentrification. Yeah, they were 1264 01:24:43,740 --> 01:24:45,660 taking the railway in LA. 1265 01:24:46,260 --> 01:24:49,260 And destroying Yes, yes, yes. Let's see if this 1266 01:24:49,950 --> 01:24:53,910 is the same play or manual. I said these plays work so well. 1267 01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:57,240 That they don't have to switch up and guess who was on board 1268 01:24:57,240 --> 01:25:00,300 all all the black politicians quote unquote the blue Hey 1269 01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:02,880 there, we're all yeah bring them on bring the money bringing 1270 01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:05,700 money in. They destroyed the community. And this is why you 1271 01:25:05,700 --> 01:25:11,250 had a need to have integrated schools because you destroyed 1272 01:25:11,250 --> 01:25:16,050 the community. So it's depressing. I know 1273 01:25:17,220 --> 01:25:21,900 this is just wait, let's let's remember to do a show on urban 1274 01:25:21,900 --> 01:25:25,200 renewal. That might be a whole show right there that's pretty 1275 01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:25,440 Yeah, 1276 01:25:25,620 --> 01:25:29,070 make make a market and I'll get back to it but the reason why I 1277 01:25:29,070 --> 01:25:33,090 bring this up bring it home to Durham is I was sitting on the 1278 01:25:33,090 --> 01:25:39,300 couch one day and this movie trailer comes home for the best 1279 01:25:39,300 --> 01:25:39,960 enemies 1280 01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:54,330 and at water last night, electrical fire destroyed East 1281 01:25:54,330 --> 01:25:59,550 End Elementary School. We kind of go to school now. Go find new 1282 01:25:59,550 --> 01:26:04,560 sewing feel nice to go. Back kids going attempts go. Oh, come 1283 01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:08,730 on. They're gonna pump somewhere missing be put on the hottest 1284 01:26:08,730 --> 01:26:09,030 way and 1285 01:26:09,030 --> 01:26:11,610 we're gonna be school segregation once and for all. 1286 01:26:12,090 --> 01:26:17,880 Listen, I'm never gonna get down to city hall tonight. Who's 1287 01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:23,310 next? They say you represent a great many people in this town 1288 01:26:24,480 --> 01:26:27,570 and move out of bed. I'm holding the committee meeting, the 1289 01:26:27,570 --> 01:26:27,990 council 1290 01:26:27,989 --> 01:26:30,689 will vote to either adopt or reject school integration. 1291 01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:36,330 I need to co chair humanity. And I'm the president and clamp. 1292 01:26:37,350 --> 01:26:40,800 He's about to hand you the keys to stool integration. You go 1293 01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:50,850 lock this door was you looking at Crazy white man? Holy crap. 1294 01:26:50,850 --> 01:26:58,170 This is the story about Durham, Durham. Yeah, yeah. My city is 1295 01:26:58,170 --> 01:27:03,060 rich with history. Wow, he's super rich with history. I can 1296 01:27:03,060 --> 01:27:06,630 see what I saw but hold on what they're making a movie out of 1297 01:27:06,630 --> 01:27:10,890 that. But of course they made it a you know one of those 1298 01:27:10,980 --> 01:27:13,650 Boulay box office Bonanza you know 1299 01:27:13,650 --> 01:27:15,930 how it goes like, oh, that club head 1300 01:27:19,739 --> 01:27:21,719 it got the head of the clan and 1301 01:27:23,670 --> 01:27:26,670 of course like a buddy cop. It's like a buddy cop movie. What is 1302 01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:28,530 ours? What? 1303 01:27:28,649 --> 01:27:31,739 So we got a white dude with a black woman and then it's a 1304 01:27:31,739 --> 01:27:35,099 button movie now. Change? Yes. Oh, this I'd love the subtitle 1305 01:27:35,099 --> 01:27:39,779 change is worth fighting for. So what they're gonna save it now 1306 01:27:39,779 --> 01:27:40,499 in the movie. 1307 01:27:41,729 --> 01:27:46,349 Yeah, they say but as always, I don't go with the narrative. I 1308 01:27:46,349 --> 01:27:49,799 go get the true story behind best of enemies. 1309 01:27:50,100 --> 01:27:54,180 He was upset and I was upset. And he was cursing and calling 1310 01:27:54,480 --> 01:27:59,070 all black folks than I was calling all white folks. And I 1311 01:27:59,070 --> 01:28:02,640 couldn't stand white folks. Anyway, the children talk to us 1312 01:28:02,940 --> 01:28:06,870 and got us together saying that they wanted to go to school with 1313 01:28:06,870 --> 01:28:10,140 each other. And then we looked at each other like food we've 1314 01:28:10,140 --> 01:28:11,790 been arguing about the wrong thing. 1315 01:28:12,330 --> 01:28:15,990 She was bold and clearly never minced words activist and 1316 01:28:16,020 --> 01:28:19,320 Atwater herself recalling the moment when she and CPL is to 1317 01:28:19,350 --> 01:28:22,710 have good look at themselves and turn things around for the 1318 01:28:22,710 --> 01:28:26,340 greater good and much to their and everyone else's surprise, 1319 01:28:26,460 --> 01:28:31,680 wonder friendship? Does he does the talking for me starting to 1320 01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:36,360 rise up heads and as Atwater Have you read course. And Sam 1321 01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:39,120 Rockwell as Ellis the film explores how their relationship 1322 01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:41,400 evolved through being forced to work together. 1323 01:28:41,939 --> 01:28:42,839 Cpl is 1324 01:28:42,870 --> 01:28:46,680 he act like he was the meanest man in the world that wanted to 1325 01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:47,610 cut his head off. 1326 01:28:48,029 --> 01:28:51,329 She can upset the world with her mouth that she wants 1327 01:28:55,860 --> 01:28:59,490 to I take these two people that hate each other, and they're 1328 01:28:59,490 --> 01:29:04,050 calling each other all kinds of whatever whatnot. Let's put them 1329 01:29:04,050 --> 01:29:07,410 to their kids together to school and see how that works. What 1330 01:29:07,410 --> 01:29:15,090 could go wrong? Exactly. Best enemies to 1331 01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:19,319 when people say white people say there's I don't have a racist 1332 01:29:19,319 --> 01:29:23,039 bone in my body. It's like, did they get D boned or something? 1333 01:29:23,069 --> 01:29:26,909 Because otherwise, you grew up in a white supremacist society. 1334 01:29:27,239 --> 01:29:30,689 Just the fact that you're going to have biases and prejudices 1335 01:29:30,719 --> 01:29:34,739 like I do. And the thing is to work on that to acknowledge it, 1336 01:29:34,949 --> 01:29:36,509 and then like CP, 1337 01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:40,680 to overcome that, in turn it widened OSHA scope. 1338 01:29:41,220 --> 01:29:45,420 You know, we have this myth of a class or a society and democracy 1339 01:29:45,420 --> 01:29:51,000 for all no racism. And then there's the uncomfortable truth 1340 01:29:51,090 --> 01:29:56,400 of our traumatic history. So it was the intersection of race, 1341 01:29:56,400 --> 01:30:00,990 class and gender that allowed this story to come together and 1342 01:30:00,990 --> 01:30:04,350 to explore those issues. And sadly, those issues are just as 1343 01:30:04,350 --> 01:30:07,800 relevant today and still need to be worked on. 1344 01:30:08,250 --> 01:30:14,910 All right. So now how do we know how this movie ends? This 2019 1345 01:30:14,910 --> 01:30:16,050 version of history? 1346 01:30:16,770 --> 01:30:20,250 Oh, you heard him are buddies and they get along and 1347 01:30:20,250 --> 01:30:22,650 everything's good. They live happier. Yeah. Happily ever 1348 01:30:22,650 --> 01:30:23,910 after. Do you know how it goes? So 1349 01:30:23,910 --> 01:30:29,610 instead of instead of showing that it's hard, and that yes, 1350 01:30:29,610 --> 01:30:33,330 people have biases on all sides, and they like being with their 1351 01:30:33,330 --> 01:30:35,820 own kind, but they can work together instead of that. 1352 01:30:35,940 --> 01:30:39,450 They're going to say that this is how it works or it's it all 1353 01:30:39,450 --> 01:30:42,150 works fine. Shut up. Is that what is that what this movie is 1354 01:30:42,150 --> 01:30:43,890 doing? Of course, 1355 01:30:43,890 --> 01:30:46,410 it all works fine, because the intersection 1356 01:30:46,979 --> 01:30:51,179 I heard it, I heard it. I heard it. He said it right there the 1357 01:30:51,179 --> 01:30:54,629 intersection Yes. of race. Was it race? 1358 01:30:55,439 --> 01:30:58,799 gender, gender, and something else? 1359 01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:01,740 I don't know. Does it whatever sexuality Yeah, so um, 1360 01:31:02,430 --> 01:31:06,450 yeah. Yeah. Oh, about Yeah, who funds 1361 01:31:06,450 --> 01:31:10,500 these things? By the way, Sam Rockwell's is a pretty big name 1362 01:31:10,500 --> 01:31:11,220 for this movie. 1363 01:31:12,090 --> 01:31:16,770 Yeah, I mean, it was a it was a nice size movie. 1364 01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:20,250 I got I gotta watch it now. I'm sure it's streaming. 1365 01:31:20,550 --> 01:31:23,880 I'm sure. All it Yes. Probably. Yes to 2018 so it's probably on 1366 01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:24,930 Netflix or one of those. 1367 01:31:26,700 --> 01:31:29,520 was 2009 to April five. 2019. 1368 01:31:30,300 --> 01:31:34,680 Okay, I 18 Am I okay. All right. Yeah, so yeah, here we are. I 1369 01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:38,370 was like, what? Alright, come on. I mean, the leader of the 1370 01:31:38,370 --> 01:31:42,900 clan leader. The leader 1371 01:31:43,229 --> 01:31:44,009 was in Durham. 1372 01:31:45,359 --> 01:31:49,499 No, that's not what I'm saying. Like, bro, if you can be easily 1373 01:31:49,499 --> 01:31:52,019 shaking that I'm questioning your leadership abilities. 1374 01:31:55,050 --> 01:32:02,190 But leader he is. Yeah, it's easy to just change him 1375 01:32:03,090 --> 01:32:11,100 right. So there's a silver lining in all of this talk. Ah, 1376 01:32:11,100 --> 01:32:15,990 so we can take a deep breath and we have schools integrated and 1377 01:32:15,990 --> 01:32:19,350 not only schools but now the kk k is integrated. 1378 01:32:20,430 --> 01:32:25,050 kk k is rebranding itself and in an effort to do so they're being 1379 01:32:25,050 --> 01:32:29,250 more inclusive. They are allowing Hispanics blacks, Jews 1380 01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:33,570 and gays to join in on the fun now, they say that they have 1381 01:32:33,570 --> 01:32:36,360 completely changed what they're missing admission is they've 1382 01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:40,350 even renamed themselves the Rocky Mountain knights which is 1383 01:32:40,350 --> 01:32:44,970 interesting. And here is what they are arguing the kk k is for 1384 01:32:44,970 --> 01:32:50,550 strong America. White supremacy is the old clan. This is the new 1385 01:32:50,550 --> 01:32:54,030 clan but if you want to join this new version of the kk k all 1386 01:32:54,030 --> 01:32:58,020 those wanting to join the ultra right wing society will have to 1387 01:32:58,020 --> 01:33:01,560 wear the white robes masks and the hats that they wear. 1388 01:33:03,689 --> 01:33:07,559 This is a great clip. Where did you get this? I missed this 1389 01:33:07,559 --> 01:33:14,099 memo. I mean, I I was at the meeting, but I get the memo. I 1390 01:33:14,099 --> 01:33:18,449 hope you wouldn't. Of course not. But that's I didn't know 1391 01:33:18,449 --> 01:33:21,239 about this and no one. No one informed me. 1392 01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:26,310 This is how far integration is gone. You could join the clan 1393 01:33:26,340 --> 01:33:27,990 who wish which firm 1394 01:33:27,990 --> 01:33:30,480 did this rebranding Hill and Knowlton Wayne This is 1395 01:33:30,480 --> 01:33:31,050 fantastic. 1396 01:33:31,950 --> 01:33:36,030 But what you want to disband the clan. I mean like oh yes, we're 1397 01:33:36,030 --> 01:33:40,530 gonna keep the head the hoods in the hat. And the sheets, but you 1398 01:33:40,530 --> 01:33:43,530 you you're more than welcome to wear them. Which is 1399 01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:47,940 this is great. And this is a newsflash, I don't understand. 1400 01:33:48,030 --> 01:33:52,980 Why is this not top of the news? How did I miss this? When did 1401 01:33:52,980 --> 01:33:54,930 when did this? Where did this come from 1402 01:33:54,990 --> 01:33:58,320 this clip these clips young young, young fairies. 1403 01:33:58,409 --> 01:34:03,059 Oh man. That's fantastic. Well, problem solves. 1404 01:34:03,989 --> 01:34:05,189 But there's more. Oh, of 1405 01:34:05,189 --> 01:34:05,879 course there is. 1406 01:34:05,910 --> 01:34:08,280 But then this quote did you get the quote from Jimmy Simmons? 1407 01:34:08,309 --> 01:34:12,179 YES. Jimmy Simmons, a president of the Montana NAACP chapter 1408 01:34:12,179 --> 01:34:15,629 said that while he questioned the use of the letters K K. K. 1409 01:34:15,899 --> 01:34:19,409 If the peace summit took place, he would quote, take a strong 1410 01:34:19,409 --> 01:34:21,629 look at joining the Rocky Mountain knights. 1411 01:34:21,660 --> 01:34:25,530 This is why the NAACP is in the risk in some places of becoming 1412 01:34:25,530 --> 01:34:29,730 an irrelevant organization. And not enough young people in the 1413 01:34:29,730 --> 01:34:34,410 NAACP. Like who How did you get to be the president of the 1414 01:34:34,440 --> 01:34:38,790 Montana chapter of the NAACP, and this guy's rebranding it and 1415 01:34:39,090 --> 01:34:41,490 as a big giant right wing group and you'll have to carry what 1416 01:34:41,490 --> 01:34:45,570 kind of what kind of leader are you? No, no, that's that's not 1417 01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:47,130 that's not Jimmy Simmons. 1418 01:34:47,340 --> 01:34:54,570 Don't join you heard that right. I am. My mouth is a gasp 1419 01:34:57,930 --> 01:35:04,890 this NAACP he presently is willing to join the kk k, the 1420 01:35:04,890 --> 01:35:08,520 rebranded kk k, you let that soak in from the original clip 1421 01:35:08,550 --> 01:35:13,920 of who put Brown versus Board of Education up to this. And our 1422 01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:20,970 top that will Mr. Joel spin Garn, who was the spa, leader of 1423 01:35:20,970 --> 01:35:27,600 the NAACP. You let all that sink in. I put their foot there for a 1424 01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:27,990 reason. 1425 01:35:28,020 --> 01:35:32,040 Yes. Well, the NAACP has been mentioned throughout the past 1426 01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:34,890 hour and a half in all of these clips. And now you're gonna go 1427 01:35:34,890 --> 01:35:39,120 gut punch me at the end here and tell me that the NAACP is 1428 01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:41,430 willing to join the kk k. 1429 01:35:43,620 --> 01:35:45,540 And take us right into that burning house. 1430 01:35:46,170 --> 01:35:53,670 Wow. All right. Mo. That what a journey. It's like a roller 1431 01:35:53,670 --> 01:35:55,560 coaster that ended in a brick wall. 1432 01:35:56,550 --> 01:35:57,540 I'm sorry about that. 1433 01:35:58,500 --> 01:35:59,790 Just slam 1434 01:36:01,020 --> 01:36:05,610 up join the kk k. Wouldn't it make more sense for the K K K to 1435 01:36:05,610 --> 01:36:11,160 join the NAACP? I mean, just for optics? You think? 1436 01:36:12,870 --> 01:36:13,860 Oh, man. Well, 1437 01:36:14,130 --> 01:36:16,440 the crazy. I thought I was crazy. I don't know. 1438 01:36:16,529 --> 01:36:20,279 So we need to follow up on this next week. I need to know what 1439 01:36:20,279 --> 01:36:23,969 happened. Yeah. And I need a picture of the guy with the with 1440 01:36:23,969 --> 01:36:29,639 his with his hood on with the sheets. That's, that's really 1441 01:36:29,639 --> 01:36:30,359 incredible. 1442 01:36:31,979 --> 01:36:36,479 Very, this is integration for you. It's like, oh, yeah, we can 1443 01:36:36,779 --> 01:36:39,329 work to change our ways. But come on, join the group. 1444 01:36:39,390 --> 01:36:43,230 So the next time you hear something coming up in the news 1445 01:36:43,230 --> 01:36:48,450 about school vouchers, school choice, et cetera. Think of this 1446 01:36:48,450 --> 01:36:53,310 episode and think about the historical background of of this 1447 01:36:53,310 --> 01:36:56,430 forced integration and you got to look at the lawyers lawyers 1448 01:36:56,430 --> 01:36:59,730 are involved in what children are they using for this or 1449 01:36:59,730 --> 01:37:00,750 abusing for this? 1450 01:37:01,470 --> 01:37:05,580 Yes, cuz child abuse is quite common to push political motors. 1451 01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:11,640 Is that ever? Well, it solidifies my thinking that 1452 01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:14,670 we're on the right track with the show mo This is one of the 1453 01:37:14,670 --> 01:37:18,360 few places you can get this kind of honest dialogue honest look 1454 01:37:18,360 --> 01:37:23,940 at historical American history. And, and I appreciate you 1455 01:37:23,970 --> 01:37:27,030 appreciate you very much for for doing all the work and putting 1456 01:37:27,030 --> 01:37:31,230 it together. It's, it's once again, you've made my week. 1457 01:37:32,609 --> 01:37:36,269 I'm glad I could do that sir. And as I always say, pay 1458 01:37:36,269 --> 01:37:39,389 attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself and 1459 01:37:39,389 --> 01:37:39,569 we'll 1460 01:37:39,569 --> 01:37:42,899 return next week here on mo facts with Adam curry. Make sure 1461 01:37:42,899 --> 01:37:47,009 you tune in subscribe and support us at mo fund me.com