1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,720 Yo mo facts with Adam curry for November 18 2019. This is 2 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:13,590 episode number 15. How you doing? Mo? 3 00:00:15,540 --> 00:00:17,550 I am doing well, sir, how are you doing? 4 00:00:17,580 --> 00:00:20,910 Doing very well got a lot of great comments on the previous 5 00:00:20,910 --> 00:00:24,450 episode I was actually that was one of our most listened to so 6 00:00:24,450 --> 00:00:27,300 far. So we hit a nerve somewhere. 7 00:00:29,100 --> 00:00:30,180 I was definitely good. 8 00:00:31,950 --> 00:00:34,950 And I want to take the opportunity to thank everybody 9 00:00:34,950 --> 00:00:37,740 who has been supporting the show under the value for value 10 00:00:38,550 --> 00:00:43,080 system, which means you listen to the show, who did it provide 11 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,440 any value in your life? If it did, all we ask is that you 12 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:50,130 provide that to us. 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And let's just get right into it. 33 00:02:04,980 --> 00:02:10,620 Before Well, before we get to the article, um, when I read the 34 00:02:10,620 --> 00:02:15,750 article, I knew what it was when I started reading it. 35 00:02:16,079 --> 00:02:18,629 Yeah. What was the title of this article? What was it? 36 00:02:19,770 --> 00:02:33,600 The title of the article? Don't actually stop me. I actually, if 37 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,750 you just want to play number four, 38 00:02:36,930 --> 00:02:38,970 okay, we'll get to it right away 39 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:45,060 her article titled, we're self interested, the growing identity 40 00:02:45,060 --> 00:02:50,850 debate in black America. Why a movement that claims to support 41 00:02:50,850 --> 00:02:54,210 the American descendants of slavery is being promoted by 42 00:02:54,210 --> 00:02:56,670 conservatives and attacked on the left. 43 00:02:57,060 --> 00:02:59,760 Right. That's a mouthful. 44 00:03:01,290 --> 00:03:05,370 Yeah. And there was, yeah, there was, I saw some tweets going 45 00:03:05,370 --> 00:03:08,970 back and forth, I saw Antonio more getting upset about it, or 46 00:03:08,970 --> 00:03:11,580 at least he had something to say maybe upset is the wrong term. 47 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:13,470 I'm very, very curious. And 48 00:03:13,920 --> 00:03:19,110 it worked perfectly as designed. And as I said, Before, I knew 49 00:03:19,110 --> 00:03:25,590 exactly what it was when I read it. And honestly, as as I always 50 00:03:25,590 --> 00:03:28,080 do with these shows, I give a lot of thought if I want to 51 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:33,420 cover a topic at night. And I was on the fence about this one, 52 00:03:33,450 --> 00:03:40,440 because covering it in the wrong way contribute to what the 53 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,890 purpose of this article was about. And this purpose of this 54 00:03:43,890 --> 00:03:50,250 article was to cause dissension and be a tool of a similar 55 00:03:50,250 --> 00:03:55,530 system, co COINTELPRO. And we'll get to that definition that 56 00:03:55,560 --> 00:04:01,650 later. But there's, first of all, we need to go back and 57 00:04:01,650 --> 00:04:06,330 define racism and white supremacy to do that. 58 00:04:07,980 --> 00:04:11,610 Okay, is this a quiz? Or do I do I just know. 59 00:04:14,130 --> 00:04:18,360 Actually, Mr. Neely Fuller, we use his definition on a previous 60 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:19,830 show. So we'll go there. 61 00:04:20,100 --> 00:04:23,250 Well, there's we are on our system of white supremacy. 62 00:04:23,250 --> 00:04:26,820 That's the most powerful government that the world has 63 00:04:26,820 --> 00:04:29,940 ever seen. And that's the title of it. By the way, it doesn't go 64 00:04:29,940 --> 00:04:33,600 by any other title, even though we sometimes call it by other 65 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,020 titles. But the accurate title for the government that we are 66 00:04:37,020 --> 00:04:42,960 under is in capital letters. The system of white supremacy 67 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:47,520 worldwide is just one world government. And that's the only 68 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:51,150 government in town, the only government on the planet that 69 00:04:51,150 --> 00:04:55,260 really counts. That is worthy of having a title of government. 70 00:04:55,590 --> 00:04:58,080 Right? And this goes back a couple shows and we listen to 71 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,470 this the first time and Next. Yeah, that's actually a very 72 00:05:01,470 --> 00:05:03,240 good episode. People should check that out. We went in 73 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:04,170 pretty deep with that. 74 00:05:04,830 --> 00:05:07,890 Yeah. So the reason why I did this is because Mr. Neely 75 00:05:07,890 --> 00:05:14,910 Fuller, is going to drop some more wisdom on us to explain why 76 00:05:15,210 --> 00:05:16,620 blacks hate on blacks 77 00:05:17,340 --> 00:05:24,060 slave ship, which is what the whole world is. See, if I'm the 78 00:05:24,060 --> 00:05:27,990 captain of the ship, I will come and look down in the hash. And 79 00:05:27,990 --> 00:05:30,780 honestly, it's just about beating. But we don't have 80 00:05:30,780 --> 00:05:34,950 enough food because I'm a Sikh, too, it is not enough. We got a 81 00:05:34,950 --> 00:05:40,080 bad boy. So I'm going through just enough food down here for 82 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:47,250 toilet. I decided to do it. As I do it all, where we are joined 83 00:05:47,250 --> 00:05:50,100 Avenue where you find black people, that's how they do it. 84 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:55,170 They hand out the goodness, but it ain't enough. And what's 85 00:05:55,170 --> 00:05:59,700 gonna happen when you throw another food 20 People in the 86 00:05:59,700 --> 00:06:03,990 hole of a ship where it's 40 people, you got to bite them, 87 00:06:04,050 --> 00:06:08,040 right? That's why black people can't stand each other. Over a 88 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,010 period of years, we spent all that time fighting each other. 89 00:06:11,730 --> 00:06:16,980 But whatever thrown down at hatch, Mass Ave on the day is 90 00:06:16,980 --> 00:06:18,240 just cracking inside. 91 00:06:18,270 --> 00:06:20,400 Look at. Right this 92 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,930 this idea, of course works with any group of people. Except it's 93 00:06:24,930 --> 00:06:27,060 been systemic with black Americans. 94 00:06:28,110 --> 00:06:34,920 Yes. And as we see on any continent, across the world, 95 00:06:37,050 --> 00:06:40,200 they will have just enough resources to make the people 96 00:06:40,260 --> 00:06:44,640 native to that continent, fight over the resources that they 97 00:06:44,970 --> 00:06:49,950 throw out. Right. So this is exactly what this article was. 98 00:06:50,970 --> 00:06:57,840 It was enough attention thrown out divided to cause a fissure 99 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,820 in the list. There's some terms here we need to clarify. You 100 00:07:02,820 --> 00:07:08,430 have a Das. Right. You have FBA, which is finance, foundational 101 00:07:08,430 --> 00:07:14,190 black Americans. And do you have the granddaddy of them all? Is 102 00:07:14,190 --> 00:07:17,280 the NBA native black Americans? No. Wow, I 103 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,070 hit. I knew about SBA because that was that was the article 104 00:07:20,070 --> 00:07:22,140 but NBA was new to me. Okay. 105 00:07:22,410 --> 00:07:26,970 They're the reason why NBA is not popular for for the obvious 106 00:07:26,970 --> 00:07:31,140 reason, it couldn't be confusing. Well, yeah. And it 107 00:07:31,140 --> 00:07:33,090 couldn't be a hashtag 108 00:07:33,090 --> 00:07:35,460 or Right, right. Oh, 109 00:07:37,170 --> 00:07:41,760 what's the word I'm looking for? Um, well, it's it. Obviously, 110 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,940 it shares its initials with the National Basketball Association. 111 00:07:44,940 --> 00:07:49,830 So it's just not gonna work in trademark. trademark. Sure. 112 00:07:49,860 --> 00:07:50,310 Sure. Sure. 113 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:55,440 Yeah. So if you do hashtag NBA, you got some social media is, 114 00:07:55,770 --> 00:07:59,190 it's gonna say it's going to be swallowed whole by the actual 115 00:07:59,190 --> 00:08:04,980 National Basketball Association. So with that said, if we can 116 00:08:05,010 --> 00:08:08,280 hear the headline of this article one more time because 117 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,830 when I read the headline, I said, Oh, okay. 118 00:08:11,790 --> 00:08:16,560 What's going on? Titled, we're self interested, the growing 119 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:21,420 identity debate in black America. Why a movement that 120 00:08:21,420 --> 00:08:25,950 claims to support the American descendants of slavery is being 121 00:08:25,950 --> 00:08:30,960 promoted by conservatives and attacked on the left. Okay. 122 00:08:32,250 --> 00:08:34,860 Now, this is how you and I met then you know, different you 123 00:08:34,860 --> 00:08:37,740 helped me get an understanding of a DA so American descendants 124 00:08:37,740 --> 00:08:42,210 of slavery. So I was obviously interested in the topic and I 125 00:08:42,210 --> 00:08:44,160 kind of figured I think I figured out the same thing you 126 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:45,690 did is what was going on with this. 127 00:08:46,950 --> 00:08:54,570 So one is why conservatives like it. Why liberals don't like it 128 00:08:54,570 --> 00:08:57,690 written from our liberal newspaper, targeting liberal 129 00:08:57,690 --> 00:09:04,170 audiences. Left audience left wing audience the word the worst 130 00:09:04,170 --> 00:09:08,190 use claims some like what was going on with his headline just 131 00:09:08,220 --> 00:09:11,340 off the gate and that was like a kind of erode and when I first 132 00:09:11,340 --> 00:09:17,910 saw it, but when you dive into the first paragraph, you get a 133 00:09:17,910 --> 00:09:25,260 hint of this. The first paragraph alone was pitting 134 00:09:25,470 --> 00:09:29,970 eight us against immigrants. Here's the first paragraph 135 00:09:30,810 --> 00:09:36,510 in Hollywood. Harriet Tubman is played in a new movie by a black 136 00:09:36,510 --> 00:09:40,140 British woman, much to the annoyance of some black 137 00:09:40,140 --> 00:09:44,280 Americans on the United States Census, an ultra wealthy 138 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,760 Nigerian immigrant and a struggling African American 139 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:51,390 woman from the south are expected to check the same box 140 00:09:51,660 --> 00:09:55,050 when many American universities tout their diversity numbers. 141 00:09:55,230 --> 00:09:58,890 Black students who were born in the Bronx and the Bahamas are 142 00:09:58,890 --> 00:10:03,060 counted as the same ame a spirited debate is playing out 143 00:10:03,060 --> 00:10:06,150 in black communities across America over the degree to which 144 00:10:06,180 --> 00:10:11,010 identity ought to be defined by America by African heritage, or 145 00:10:11,010 --> 00:10:14,640 whether ancestral links to slavery, or what should count 146 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:18,660 most of all. Tensions between black Americans who descended 147 00:10:18,660 --> 00:10:21,330 from slavery and black immigrants from Africa and the 148 00:10:21,330 --> 00:10:26,400 Caribbean are not new, but a group of online agitators is 149 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,460 trying to turn those disagreements into a political 150 00:10:29,460 --> 00:10:30,210 movement. 151 00:10:30,630 --> 00:10:37,470 Hmm. Okay. So here, right off the bat. Right, he leaves him 152 00:10:37,470 --> 00:10:42,750 with the Harriet Tubman movie, which was a point of contention 153 00:10:42,750 --> 00:10:47,010 between a big controversy, big controversy between native 154 00:10:47,010 --> 00:10:58,380 blacks and non native blacks. Me. So one, we've seen a uptick, 155 00:10:58,710 --> 00:11:03,720 a major uptick and non native blacks getting cast to play 156 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:10,260 roles. Representing native blacks. And I want to use that 157 00:11:10,260 --> 00:11:13,410 term native blacks from now on because of the whole divide 158 00:11:13,410 --> 00:11:18,480 between FBA and AWS, the time I'm going to use and that's it, 159 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,630 that was the original term from the very beginning to identify 160 00:11:21,630 --> 00:11:27,660 black, black America. So that's what I'm gonna use for now just 161 00:11:27,660 --> 00:11:28,740 so people don't get confused. 162 00:11:29,670 --> 00:11:36,630 All right, so you're using the the NBA, using the NBA acronym. 163 00:11:38,130 --> 00:11:41,970 Specifically, because of the confusion between a DOS and FBA 164 00:11:41,970 --> 00:11:44,760 as riled up by the New York Times, is that when I'm 165 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,670 understanding that is very correct. And is this something 166 00:11:47,670 --> 00:11:51,510 that does this mean that you no longer stand behind the A das 167 00:11:51,510 --> 00:11:53,730 brand? Or is it just for purposes of this show? 168 00:11:53,760 --> 00:12:00,510 Well, that's the thing a Das is not a brand. A Das is a lineage 169 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,030 and that I think if you everybody goes back and listen 170 00:12:03,030 --> 00:12:07,350 to my old shows, and whenever I identify the A Das, I say I am 171 00:12:07,350 --> 00:12:15,000 not of a Das, the group. I am a Das. By Lainey, she got it. And 172 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:19,260 there's a big difference there. And it's gonna be a huge part of 173 00:12:19,260 --> 00:12:24,600 this story, how this story caused the group and the lineage 174 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:31,560 to go off the rails and created a bunch of tension between just 175 00:12:31,560 --> 00:12:37,440 put it into tension intergroup tension, right so so the article 176 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:42,930 like said article ra starts pitting black immigrants against 177 00:12:43,950 --> 00:12:49,050 Native blacks or a das however you want to say it. And that 178 00:12:49,050 --> 00:12:53,310 was, you know, using this using this Harriet Tubman thing and 179 00:12:53,310 --> 00:12:56,100 like you say even you knew about it, it crossed over the 180 00:12:56,100 --> 00:12:56,880 timeline. 181 00:12:56,940 --> 00:12:59,370 Yeah. Well, what's so interesting, what's so 182 00:12:59,370 --> 00:13:07,170 interesting about it is, whenever a non trans person is 183 00:13:07,170 --> 00:13:13,140 even cast in a role portraying a trans person is a Twitter blows 184 00:13:13,140 --> 00:13:17,940 up with outrage over oh my god, why can't we use an actual trans 185 00:13:17,940 --> 00:13:22,110 person? And, you know, there's all kinds of outrage about that 186 00:13:22,140 --> 00:13:25,260 across the board. But then when it comes to the Harriet Tubman 187 00:13:25,260 --> 00:13:27,960 movie, and there was a lot of shoulder shrugging, going on was 188 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:28,710 my feeling. 189 00:13:29,580 --> 00:13:32,580 And it's been done like that, like say, a lot of the movies 190 00:13:32,610 --> 00:13:39,240 are Jordan, Peele makes these cast. Not NET Native blacks in 191 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,030 the role of playing native blacks. I mean, this is a common 192 00:13:42,030 --> 00:13:46,800 occurrence. And then let's just make a side note here. The 193 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:48,690 Harriet Tubman movie was trashed. 194 00:13:49,710 --> 00:13:51,660 I haven't seen it yet. So I haven't 195 00:13:51,660 --> 00:13:55,710 either. I haven't either. But reason why I say that is. I knew 196 00:13:55,710 --> 00:14:02,310 it was gonna be trash, because one is trauma based. 197 00:14:02,850 --> 00:14:12,000 Entertainment. Gotcha. Two, two. From the reviews I read, and 198 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:17,310 I've read a whole host, they made the black male, the enemy. 199 00:14:18,180 --> 00:14:18,750 Right. 200 00:14:19,260 --> 00:14:22,800 So it was multifaceted messaging in this particular movie, which 201 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:27,120 is kind of the point, right? We want to activate black women and 202 00:14:27,390 --> 00:14:31,290 shun the men. I've learned mo I pay attention. 203 00:14:31,319 --> 00:14:36,809 All of this is going up to 2020. This are going up to 2020. And 204 00:14:36,809 --> 00:14:41,369 don't let it be lost on you. That the very week this article 205 00:14:41,369 --> 00:14:45,149 dropped. Who said they were running for president? 206 00:14:45,810 --> 00:14:51,690 Oh, yes. Deval Yeah. Deval Patrick. 207 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:58,590 Yeah. Deval Patrick. Yes. That timing is not Not, not 208 00:14:58,590 --> 00:15:02,430 coincidental. Interesting. go back and listen to Obama saying 209 00:15:02,730 --> 00:15:10,890 all hashtags is not activism. Right? Hello. It was a setup. I 210 00:15:10,890 --> 00:15:19,800 believe so. Um, so just to give you an idea of the immigrant 211 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:24,120 versus native black paid off, you know what, I'm not going to 212 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:28,290 self censor because I'm not gonna let a group hijack my 213 00:15:28,290 --> 00:15:33,900 lineage. Now, they did have to give credit to Yvette. And tone 214 00:15:33,900 --> 00:15:37,980 talks because they did coined a term and since May you have been 215 00:15:37,980 --> 00:15:41,040 talking? I've always gave him that credit because I was like, 216 00:15:41,070 --> 00:15:44,280 it was ingenious. It was an ingenious hashtag. It wasn't a 217 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:50,310 genius. Acronym because it rolls right off the tongue from just 218 00:15:50,310 --> 00:15:55,020 branding. Yes. standpoint similar to Maga. I mean, it's 219 00:15:55,020 --> 00:15:57,900 genius. And I don't want to link those two together, but just 220 00:15:57,900 --> 00:16:03,240 from the Mac, it rolls off your tongue. Does. It's like high def 221 00:16:03,270 --> 00:16:08,310 DVD versus blu ray. Blu ray rolls brought out desert and I 222 00:16:08,310 --> 00:16:12,720 think that's part of the reason why they won the tech war 223 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:16,050 between the two two technologies but demand is just my personal 224 00:16:16,050 --> 00:16:24,930 opinion. But just to give you some context of the shade quote 225 00:16:24,930 --> 00:16:27,930 unquote shade that black immigrants have been throwing at 226 00:16:27,990 --> 00:16:29,430 us we have larger mall 227 00:16:29,550 --> 00:16:33,750 ever since this whole I was hearing about this whole Atos. 228 00:16:34,950 --> 00:16:39,240 From the minute I heard about it, it was like a division. 229 00:16:39,270 --> 00:16:43,410 Yeah. amongst black people. Yeah, it was a division. It 230 00:16:43,410 --> 00:16:50,220 seemed like some sort of, well, you're not American enough. Like 231 00:16:50,220 --> 00:16:55,530 what's your lineage like? Like, we had a conversation about 232 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,980 reparations and noticed a while ago on a God cast and adults 233 00:16:58,980 --> 00:17:03,180 came up. And you know, you had some people but I don't think 234 00:17:03,180 --> 00:17:05,850 large balls, Atos. Anyway. So, you know, Hey, 235 00:17:05,850 --> 00:17:07,410 knock. Are you are you at us? 236 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:13,890 Here's the thing. On my father's side, no. Okay. We trace back to 237 00:17:13,890 --> 00:17:15,510 Guyana. Okay. 238 00:17:17,130 --> 00:17:20,670 You know, a guy is not a DOS when he pronounces an OD dos. So 239 00:17:20,670 --> 00:17:23,460 you know, he's, he's already not in the loop as far as I'm 240 00:17:23,460 --> 00:17:24,060 concerned. 241 00:17:25,500 --> 00:17:30,750 Right. And as you heard him say, no, not on my not on my father's 242 00:17:30,750 --> 00:17:33,630 side. I'm not a Das. Right. And here's the thing, if you're not 243 00:17:33,660 --> 00:17:37,200 a Das, you can have an opinion on it. I mean, everybody's 244 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:42,420 having a pain or anything, but you can't have any say so. But 245 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,050 if he's eight hours on his mom's side that counts, does it not? 246 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:50,880 Well, that's to be determined. Because on the next clip, he 247 00:17:50,940 --> 00:17:54,450 just to give you I'm saying to foreshadow, he says, he can't 248 00:17:54,450 --> 00:17:59,280 trace his mom's side. Okay, so he doesn't know. So from his 249 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:04,020 standpoint, he's personally a das on his mom's side, and not a 250 00:18:04,020 --> 00:18:07,830 Dawson his father's side. But they these users were always 251 00:18:07,830 --> 00:18:11,430 divisive is divisive? Yes. That's the whole point of and a 252 00:18:11,430 --> 00:18:17,640 on DOS, because in the show that you did prior to me contacting 253 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,910 you, you use the term dos. 254 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,180 Right. And I'd probably pick that up somewhere, if it's 255 00:18:24,180 --> 00:18:25,230 something I was reading, right. 256 00:18:25,770 --> 00:18:29,250 There was no problem with that. But that was, like, part of the 257 00:18:29,250 --> 00:18:34,830 catalyst for me to write you and say that A is important. A 258 00:18:35,790 --> 00:18:37,590 great, no, I was gonna say it's, 259 00:18:37,620 --> 00:18:41,250 it's very simple. We have lots of black immigrants, brown 260 00:18:41,250 --> 00:18:44,340 immigrants, reddish brown and dark black, all kinds of 261 00:18:44,340 --> 00:18:51,420 immigrants, who, in America, in general are seen as black. But 262 00:18:51,420 --> 00:18:55,890 that's not the same as Americans who came here who descended from 263 00:18:55,890 --> 00:18:59,100 from slavery that you got to different credentials. 264 00:19:00,540 --> 00:19:08,310 And apart the whole movement, is based off trying to be repaid 265 00:19:08,310 --> 00:19:11,340 for services rendered. I'm gonna use the original language I 266 00:19:11,340 --> 00:19:17,460 always use from America. Now, if you're from Jamaica, then you go 267 00:19:17,460 --> 00:19:20,880 to the country that held Jamaica, you see, I'm saying, if 268 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,790 you're from Haiti, you go to France, right. And you hold 269 00:19:23,820 --> 00:19:28,620 France responsible. And the thing is, is with a Das, not the 270 00:19:28,620 --> 00:19:32,310 not a das group, but the people. If we were successful from 271 00:19:32,310 --> 00:19:35,550 getting reparations from America, don't you think we 272 00:19:35,550 --> 00:19:40,230 would share that with other groups of people? This is the 273 00:19:40,230 --> 00:19:44,010 blueprint, you know, this is what we did. But and I want to 274 00:19:44,250 --> 00:19:48,960 make this very clear before we move on any further. black 275 00:19:48,990 --> 00:19:54,240 immigrants have a large portion of black immigrants have been 276 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:58,470 very supportive of the A das movement. We've called them 277 00:19:58,470 --> 00:20:03,090 allies, you weave We discussed that before. Yeah. So it's only 278 00:20:03,090 --> 00:20:08,610 a certain group of people that, um, that have not been 279 00:20:08,610 --> 00:20:12,960 supportive. And I have my theories or why because if a Das 280 00:20:13,020 --> 00:20:16,890 is made whole through reparations, then that ruins 281 00:20:17,340 --> 00:20:23,640 their claim of using victimization mentality. For 282 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:29,310 getting gain, yes. You see, you get what when you see what's 283 00:20:29,310 --> 00:20:33,300 happening here, they're masking themselves in that victimization 284 00:20:33,300 --> 00:20:37,590 mentality to get things like affirmative action and, you 285 00:20:37,590 --> 00:20:41,340 know, get to get ahead, but then once they Well, the benefits 286 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,110 is even more cynical than that the powers that be in 287 00:20:46,110 --> 00:20:49,770 government. They're the ones lumping Kamala Harris is a good 288 00:20:49,770 --> 00:20:52,620 example. They're the ones lumping it all together and 289 00:20:52,620 --> 00:20:55,950 saying, Why did you if you've got a black skin color, it's 290 00:20:55,950 --> 00:21:00,600 your lucky day. But all under the guise of reparations. I 291 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:05,160 think she's used the terms explicitly. But it's, that's you 292 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,260 know, that you're talking about different kinds of different 293 00:21:07,260 --> 00:21:10,530 groups of people with different backgrounds and ergo, 294 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,460 particularly when it comes to slavery, different possible. 295 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:22,590 remuneration. Yes. So let's get into the second Lord Lord your 296 00:21:22,590 --> 00:21:23,160 market. 297 00:21:23,580 --> 00:21:29,910 Caribbean, South America. Yes. Ghana's Caribbean. It's in South 298 00:21:29,910 --> 00:21:33,090 America, but it's considered Caribbean in a way got it. This 299 00:21:33,090 --> 00:21:33,300 one. 300 00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:36,870 Why don't the American the West Indian Day parade I think pretty 301 00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:37,440 sure I see good 302 00:21:38,220 --> 00:21:39,810 bad flags flying around 303 00:21:40,170 --> 00:21:43,650 America, right? I'm just like, you might see Honduras or 304 00:21:43,650 --> 00:21:46,470 something like all but that's all in South America. So anyway, 305 00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:54,150 um, now my mother is adopted, so I don't know her. I still got to 306 00:21:54,150 --> 00:21:57,420 do some research on on, you know what I mean? I have discovered 307 00:21:58,470 --> 00:22:02,400 one side of her father now I gotta trace where his family's 308 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,580 from, but I did the trace on my father's side. So on that side, 309 00:22:05,580 --> 00:22:09,630 no, I'm not adults. Possible. I'm on my mother's side. I am. 310 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:14,190 But see. Again, that's some bullshit. Right? So current 311 00:22:14,190 --> 00:22:19,980 Atos. You shut the fuck up. Or I might be hatin on it. Because, 312 00:22:19,980 --> 00:22:23,100 well, I ain't gonna get nothing. Right. You know, if we did get 313 00:22:23,130 --> 00:22:27,300 reparations, I'm not gonna get nothing. So, you know, why would 314 00:22:27,300 --> 00:22:28,230 I care? Something? 315 00:22:28,439 --> 00:22:31,379 Wow, that that shows the whole problem right there. 316 00:22:32,790 --> 00:22:36,030 Yeah. And you know what's funny at the beginning of the clip, 317 00:22:37,500 --> 00:22:41,520 the interviewer who was Vlad from Vlad TV, he says, Are you 318 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,280 referring to? Um, I think 319 00:22:45,390 --> 00:22:48,600 he says Jamaica, South America at a certain point. He's like, 320 00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:53,730 No, I said, got guy who's got Guyana, Guyana. So he said, Yes. 321 00:22:53,730 --> 00:22:55,890 So he said, No, no, no, that's not Caribbean. That's South 322 00:22:55,890 --> 00:23:01,440 American. Oh, so you can make it just determined stuff. Right? 323 00:23:01,470 --> 00:23:06,540 No, not even that. But you can make? No, correct. People will 324 00:23:06,540 --> 00:23:08,790 say no, I'm not part of that group. I'm part of this group. 325 00:23:08,820 --> 00:23:12,150 Right. But if we do it, it's a problem. Yeah, 326 00:23:12,180 --> 00:23:15,450 quite hypocritical. And if you're going to have an opinion 327 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:20,610 on a DDoS, you might want to do the work on your mom's side. And 328 00:23:20,610 --> 00:23:22,710 not just a I got to do that one day. 329 00:23:22,740 --> 00:23:27,390 But yeah, so I mean, it's just to get you to attitude issues. 330 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:32,910 Um, you know, like I said, a very large group of people have 331 00:23:32,910 --> 00:23:36,420 been supportive, you can you can verify this. They have been 332 00:23:36,450 --> 00:23:41,040 allies, because they understand what's at stake here. And we're 333 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,730 gonna say, we're not asking for a handout, we made that clear, 334 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,480 I've made that clear on previous shows, is for services rendered. 335 00:23:48,690 --> 00:23:54,630 And for non Athos people for non native black people. The ones 336 00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:57,420 that don't feel like it's benefiting from them, there is 337 00:23:57,420 --> 00:24:00,240 have been a segment that have been very negative towards you. 338 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,740 And we have seen that, you know, play itself out. So let's just 339 00:24:04,740 --> 00:24:09,030 continue on with a das versus immigrants. 340 00:24:09,750 --> 00:24:15,270 It goes on to say they want colleges, employers, and the 341 00:24:15,270 --> 00:24:20,040 federal government to prioritize black Americans whose ancestors 342 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:24,360 toiled in bondage. And they argue that affirmative action 343 00:24:24,360 --> 00:24:27,390 policies originally designed to help the descendants of slavery 344 00:24:27,390 --> 00:24:31,110 in America have largely been used to benefit other groups, 345 00:24:31,260 --> 00:24:33,930 including immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean. 346 00:24:34,260 --> 00:24:37,830 Right? This is this is the genesis of this show. Exactly. 347 00:24:37,830 --> 00:24:39,360 That's the argument. Okay. 348 00:24:40,199 --> 00:24:41,399 So what's the problem? 349 00:24:41,820 --> 00:24:44,490 was the way he was reading Well, the way he was reading it, 350 00:24:44,490 --> 00:24:47,160 probably with the right tone for the New York Times like oh, look 351 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,700 what they're doing. Oh, what do they think they are asking to 352 00:24:50,730 --> 00:24:53,040 determining who they are in background? 353 00:24:54,060 --> 00:24:59,970 Yes. And then we You see, the, the percentage of academic that 354 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:06,990 is not native black or Athos, do you understand how these thought 355 00:25:06,990 --> 00:25:10,440 group these three groups and think tanks will be against aid 356 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:15,300 us? Sure, yeah. Oh, it's like, how dare you cut off, you know, 357 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,560 you know, this supply here. We're coming in we're masking. 358 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,560 Yeah, we're masking ourselves is, you know, it's black, quote 359 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,810 unquote, black and we didn't have, let's be clear, we didn't 360 00:25:24,810 --> 00:25:30,150 have this problem 50 years ago, because when you said black 50 361 00:25:30,150 --> 00:25:34,050 years ago, everybody knew meant black, right? It meant a loss, 362 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:40,140 it meant native black. But as you have is increase, which is 363 00:25:40,140 --> 00:25:45,720 probably close to 8020 Split now between eight Austin and 80%, 364 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,810 and not eight off being 20 push that and it's growing every, 365 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:53,850 every year. Now, when you say black, it means something 366 00:25:53,850 --> 00:25:58,470 totally different. And they like said groups like things like 367 00:25:58,470 --> 00:26:01,350 affirmative action. And that's what they're really pissed off 368 00:26:01,350 --> 00:26:07,530 about is like, you know, how dare you, you know, put a, you 369 00:26:07,530 --> 00:26:11,190 know, a barrier between us and the goodies that we get by by 370 00:26:11,550 --> 00:26:12,930 playing the role of a victim? 371 00:26:12,990 --> 00:26:15,600 What was the moment and we may have covered this in a previous 372 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,840 show? What was the moment when that really changed when 373 00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:22,860 specifically affirmative action start to be used, or offered, I 374 00:26:22,860 --> 00:26:25,530 should say to non Adolph groups. 375 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,990 I'm gonna say in the 1960s 19 state, action was broken from 376 00:26:33,990 --> 00:26:37,470 the very beginning because it opened itself up to minorities, 377 00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:41,640 right? So yes, already coming. It could mean really anything. 378 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,220 And I use the analogy that we kicked the door open and they 379 00:26:44,220 --> 00:26:47,460 held open for everybody else. Why they why they went in and 380 00:26:48,180 --> 00:26:50,430 now that we're saying Now we don't want to hold the door no 381 00:26:50,430 --> 00:26:55,020 more. Now everybody got their panties in a bunch. So right 382 00:26:55,020 --> 00:26:55,290 because 383 00:26:55,740 --> 00:26:58,950 people don't even think about the the genesis of affirmative 384 00:26:58,950 --> 00:27:02,220 action because it was broken from the get go. So it's it we 385 00:27:02,220 --> 00:27:04,560 got a lot of undoing to do, I guess. 386 00:27:04,830 --> 00:27:10,860 Yes. So I'm just so we're gonna get into a das versus emigrants 387 00:27:10,860 --> 00:27:12,060 versus Tyreek 388 00:27:12,180 --> 00:27:16,680 now the next paragraph says, the film producer Tariq Nasheed is 389 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:21,420 among the outspoken defenders of the idea that the American 390 00:27:21,420 --> 00:27:24,300 descendants of slavery should have their own ethnic identity. 391 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:29,160 Quote, every other group, when they get here goes out of their 392 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,790 way to say I'm Jamaican, I'm Nigerian. I'm from Somalia, he 393 00:27:32,790 --> 00:27:37,020 said, but when we decided to say, Okay, we are a distinct 394 00:27:37,020 --> 00:27:42,210 ethnic group, people look at that as a negative. This year 395 00:27:42,210 --> 00:27:45,420 responding to requests for, quote, more detailed 396 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,350 disaggregated data from our diverse American experience, the 397 00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:53,310 Census Bureau announced that African Americans will be able 398 00:27:53,310 --> 00:27:57,480 to list their origins on census forms for the first time, 399 00:27:57,690 --> 00:28:00,330 instead of simply checking black 400 00:28:00,360 --> 00:28:06,570 Ah, me. Meanwhile, everyone was arguing about gender, whatever, 401 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,870 whatever we would argue, but the important questions are in there 402 00:28:09,870 --> 00:28:10,260 now. 403 00:28:11,010 --> 00:28:20,370 Yes. So I'll be able to list black origin American. So if 404 00:28:20,430 --> 00:28:24,720 they want to claim their origin, then you have a clear 405 00:28:24,750 --> 00:28:29,550 identifier, right. So if we go back and start recalculating how 406 00:28:29,550 --> 00:28:35,580 we do affirmative action, we say we'll and we had this 407 00:28:35,580 --> 00:28:38,550 conversation before, but I don't think a firm actually done the 408 00:28:38,550 --> 00:28:40,980 right way. Because one, it lowers the standards. I don't 409 00:28:40,980 --> 00:28:44,310 agree with that. But I think it should, should, I mean, if 410 00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:47,610 you're going to say want to have in the current way set up, if 411 00:28:47,610 --> 00:28:50,280 you're going to say we're going to have X amount of spots set 412 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:58,140 aside for native blacks, then that cuts them out the deal, 413 00:28:58,500 --> 00:29:01,200 right, if you want to mark where you correctly from, and this is 414 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:06,990 where this is where the real rub comes in, but let's not ignore 415 00:29:06,990 --> 00:29:12,510 something here. In this last clip, they they mentioned Tyreke 416 00:29:12,510 --> 00:29:21,450 nasheed first Tyreek now she is not one of the original creators 417 00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:24,990 of Athos right? And when I read this I said that's going to be a 418 00:29:24,990 --> 00:29:32,160 problem. And that was very that was done from my standpoint 419 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,500 strategically now this is like 420 00:29:34,530 --> 00:29:39,450 this isn't one of those examples where like people say Ricky 421 00:29:39,450 --> 00:29:43,920 Gervais is the pod father and not Adam curry is not possible. 422 00:29:44,129 --> 00:29:45,269 Exactly exactly. 423 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,420 Can I tell you that David never felt good to me so 424 00:29:49,470 --> 00:29:53,610 we you can you can identify with it you know look great it up all 425 00:29:53,610 --> 00:29:57,000 podcast and you know, and then they have you listed way down 426 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,780 the article is no, just just a guy you know? Yeah. Oh, well, 427 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,340 I guess my point is, it's also because you say, Well, it seems 428 00:30:05,340 --> 00:30:09,780 by design could be. But I'm just taking the other side saying I 429 00:30:09,780 --> 00:30:15,960 think is just dumb idiots. The the journalists are not great 430 00:30:16,410 --> 00:30:20,310 all the time. So it could also just be Oh, this guy seems to be 431 00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:23,130 the mouthpiece right now put him at the top. That's my point. 432 00:30:24,390 --> 00:30:30,360 That's the problem. Gotcha. That is the exact problem. You're 433 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,900 working close with, I mean, for you to use the hashtag Athos. 434 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:39,780 Right? Yeah. Why wouldn't you list the cuz? Here's the thing. 435 00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:42,990 I'm looking at the structure of the article right now. So they 436 00:30:42,990 --> 00:30:47,430 mentioned how Reek, they mentioned his quote. And then 437 00:30:47,430 --> 00:30:52,020 the very next paragraph is where they mentioned the two founders 438 00:30:52,020 --> 00:31:00,300 of Athos, gotcha. That seemed very fishy to me. While I want 439 00:31:00,300 --> 00:31:03,900 you to switch it around and it's your article doesn't lose any 440 00:31:04,860 --> 00:31:10,650 any meaning. But if we're set out to what Neely Fuller said, 441 00:31:10,830 --> 00:31:15,390 So food alpha 21. You got 40 people down there? Here it is. 442 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,320 Exactly. Here it is, though the state down and Washington 443 00:31:22,350 --> 00:31:26,610 Washington, bra for it. And I knew when I read this article 444 00:31:26,610 --> 00:31:29,790 and the order of that I was like why did just not being intimate 445 00:31:30,180 --> 00:31:34,440 with the with the whole situation. I'm like, Why did I 446 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:39,060 mention him first? And but he has been he has the larger 447 00:31:39,060 --> 00:31:45,930 platform. He has been supportive of a Das, the hashtag. So people 448 00:31:46,410 --> 00:31:48,150 identify him with the group. 449 00:31:49,230 --> 00:31:54,030 And the writer Farah Stockman who wrote this article, what do 450 00:31:54,030 --> 00:31:55,650 we know about Farah Stockman? 451 00:31:56,250 --> 00:31:58,620 Well, I'm glad you asked that, because that's a very 452 00:31:58,620 --> 00:32:05,100 interesting thing. Once she's racially ambiguous what that 453 00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:08,040 means when you look at her you she could be Latino, she could 454 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:12,330 be mixed. She could be whatever, um, what I mean by that is it's 455 00:32:12,330 --> 00:32:16,650 not clearly it's not clearly identified. Right. And I 456 00:32:16,650 --> 00:32:20,610 couldn't find exactly where she identified as anything. But what 457 00:32:20,790 --> 00:32:24,510 I'm glad you asked that question. Um, one thing I did 458 00:32:24,510 --> 00:32:29,640 identify with a, she did a lot of teaching abroad in Kenya. 459 00:32:30,060 --> 00:32:35,610 Hmm. Which goes maybe leans towards why she's being so 460 00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:41,640 supportive of the non native black struggle against Athos. 461 00:32:41,910 --> 00:32:43,290 Right? It's just a thought, yeah, she 462 00:32:43,290 --> 00:32:49,770 was in Kenya from 97 to 2000. Yes. And she served as a school 463 00:32:49,770 --> 00:32:53,100 teacher in Kenya for two years. And then she started, oh, and 464 00:32:53,100 --> 00:32:56,070 then she set up a non governmental organization. Okay, 465 00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:58,380 that's something I should look into. And that's when she 466 00:32:58,380 --> 00:33:02,160 started. It's always and that's when she started writing for the 467 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,560 New York Times. And I interesting, I see that. 468 00:33:06,540 --> 00:33:08,010 There was another article, 469 00:33:09,150 --> 00:33:12,300 deciphering eight awesome new social movement or online 470 00:33:12,300 --> 00:33:16,920 trolls, which came out in November 13. Right after this 471 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,560 one, gotcha. Okay. Just a data points. All right. All right. 472 00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:19,860 Yeah. 473 00:33:20,399 --> 00:33:22,829 So just that just a little background, but that to say that 474 00:33:22,829 --> 00:33:30,569 order of cool was mentioned first. It seems petty. But as 475 00:33:30,569 --> 00:33:34,139 you say, it rubs you the wrong way. When another person is 476 00:33:34,139 --> 00:33:38,969 mentioned. As the founder of podcasting, you know, or the pod 477 00:33:38,969 --> 00:33:41,249 father or whatever you say, however, you want to identify 478 00:33:41,249 --> 00:33:42,599 yourself, I don't want to identify you. 479 00:33:43,650 --> 00:33:46,740 Thanks. misgendered. Me, bro. Yeah, I 480 00:33:46,740 --> 00:33:54,030 don't want to miss. So I'm now so now we're getting to the good 481 00:33:54,030 --> 00:33:57,000 part. insurgent. 482 00:33:57,330 --> 00:34:01,470 The article goes on to say the goal of ADOS is two founders. 483 00:34:02,310 --> 00:34:05,760 Antonio Moore, a Los Angeles defense attorney, and Yvette 484 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,130 Cornell, a former aide to Democratic lawmakers in 485 00:34:08,130 --> 00:34:11,100 Washington is the hardest frustrations among black 486 00:34:11,100 --> 00:34:15,030 Americans by seizing on the nation's shifting demographics, 487 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,570 embracing their role as insurgents, Mr. More and Miss 488 00:34:18,570 --> 00:34:22,740 Cornell held their first national conference in October 489 00:34:22,890 --> 00:34:26,040 and have made reparations for the brutal system of slavery 490 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,520 upon which the United States was built a key tenant of their 491 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,140 platform. Wow, 492 00:34:31,140 --> 00:34:35,790 insurgents. What an interesting choice of term is because 493 00:34:35,790 --> 00:34:39,780 insurgent almost to me, you know, an insurgent is like a 494 00:34:39,780 --> 00:34:40,740 terrorist. 495 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,040 Yeah, with the mass that's the you know, when you hear that 496 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:52,680 word, you think roadside bombs. Yes. I mean, that's just the 497 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:58,170 mental picture that you get when you hear surgeons and then when 498 00:34:58,170 --> 00:35:08,040 you go to the previous pair Grab it says what it say. They're 499 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,650 trying to harness the frustration among black 500 00:35:10,650 --> 00:35:13,530 Americans. And then you go down to the next paragraph and you 501 00:35:13,530 --> 00:35:14,580 say insurgent. 502 00:35:14,610 --> 00:35:18,480 Yeah. So insert not. And in fact, I just took a look, this 503 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:23,250 is what we heard for years in Iraq. If there was an IDE, a 504 00:35:23,250 --> 00:35:29,610 roadside bomb, any type any type of attack against the Allied 505 00:35:29,610 --> 00:35:32,850 troops there, it always was written in the news as 506 00:35:32,850 --> 00:35:36,630 insurgents detonated a bomb insurgents, its insurgents, 507 00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:40,290 insurgents insurgent. So it's kind of that's the connotation 508 00:35:40,290 --> 00:35:43,500 that's in the New York Times would use that word in that 509 00:35:43,500 --> 00:35:45,330 context. So that's interesting. Yes. 510 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:50,280 So for the people out there that will love a formal definition of 511 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,200 insurgency. We have that for you. 512 00:35:52,410 --> 00:35:56,130 Insurgency as a rebellion against a constituted authority 513 00:35:56,130 --> 00:35:59,400 when those taking part in the rebellion are not recognized as 514 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,360 belligerence. It is the organized use of subversion and 515 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,200 violence to seize, nullify or challenge political control of a 516 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:11,850 region. As such, it is primarily a political struggle in which 517 00:36:11,850 --> 00:36:14,820 both sides use armed force to create space for their 518 00:36:14,820 --> 00:36:18,000 political, economic and influence activities to be 519 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:18,600 effective. 520 00:36:19,050 --> 00:36:27,210 Wow. Man, that's yeah. So using that term in this context is is 521 00:36:27,269 --> 00:36:34,829 off. Now that go let's go back to that previous ah, two 522 00:36:34,829 --> 00:36:42,239 paragraphs says only what the actual paragraph it says 523 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:46,739 embracing their roles as insurgent. Mr. More I missed the 524 00:36:46,739 --> 00:36:52,019 current Mrs. Karnail. Hilldale first national conference. So 525 00:36:52,019 --> 00:36:56,009 your mental image is a bunch of black insurgents. Yeah, getting 526 00:36:56,009 --> 00:36:58,979 together holding us and holding the conference like the Panthers 527 00:36:58,979 --> 00:37:08,429 man. Yeah. And this Imagine if now see that this is why I say 528 00:37:08,429 --> 00:37:14,699 that people piss on native black people. I imagine if she used 529 00:37:14,699 --> 00:37:18,059 this language, speaking on care. 530 00:37:18,570 --> 00:37:23,730 Oh, you mean the Council of American Islamic Relations? Yes. 531 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,200 Oh, yeah. Be a huge problem. 532 00:37:26,009 --> 00:37:29,909 She be fired? Yeah. Oh, yes. Yes. 533 00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:31,230 Yeah, absolutely. 534 00:37:31,620 --> 00:37:34,290 You see what I'm saying? I mean, like now it's like, hey, 535 00:37:36,180 --> 00:37:40,230 well, it only occurs once in the article, but it literally says 536 00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:43,530 embracing their role as insurgents. And that's a very 537 00:37:43,530 --> 00:37:46,950 liberal, Deaf definition. 538 00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:51,750 She does she does this with definition code. So quote, 539 00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:55,740 unquote, definition of the word. Well, we all know, words change. 540 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:56,460 I mean, 541 00:37:56,669 --> 00:38:00,269 well, okay. Sorry, I didn't get them didn't get the memo, 542 00:38:00,269 --> 00:38:04,079 because you can still look it up on. On any dictionary online. It 543 00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:07,319 says a rebel or root revolutionary attack by armed 544 00:38:07,319 --> 00:38:12,179 insurgents as an example. Yeah. And violence is almost always a 545 00:38:12,179 --> 00:38:13,469 part of insurgency. 546 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:20,340 Yes. So then you follow that up with paid off being like Trump, 547 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:21,540 their movements 548 00:38:21,540 --> 00:38:24,960 has also become a lightning rod for criticism on the left. It 549 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,490 skepticism of immigration sometimes strikes a tone similar 550 00:38:29,490 --> 00:38:33,150 to that of President Trump. Now, once again, to see make that 551 00:38:33,150 --> 00:38:37,950 statement as an opinion. You see, just praise that sentence 552 00:38:37,950 --> 00:38:42,900 as an opinion, is skepticism of immigration sometimes strikes a 553 00:38:42,900 --> 00:38:47,010 tone similar to that of President Trump and the group 554 00:38:47,130 --> 00:38:52,950 has fiercely attack the Democratic Party, urging black 555 00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:56,670 voters to abstain from voting for the next Democratic 556 00:38:56,670 --> 00:39:00,090 presidential nominee unless he or she produces a specific 557 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:04,380 economic plan for the nation's ADOS population. such tactics 558 00:39:04,590 --> 00:39:08,850 have led some to accuse the group of sowing division among 559 00:39:08,850 --> 00:39:13,230 African Americans and engaging in a form of voter suppression, 560 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,250 not unlike the voter purges and gerrymandering efforts 561 00:39:17,370 --> 00:39:18,720 pushed by some Republicans. 562 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,530 You are a bastard mo I can't believe what you're doing. 563 00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:25,410 You're trying to subvert the Democratic Party. You're 564 00:39:25,410 --> 00:39:26,310 threatening them? 565 00:39:29,340 --> 00:39:32,340 Well, it's a lot is and I hate this word, but it's a lot to 566 00:39:32,370 --> 00:39:38,460 unpack there. Mr. Curry has their own. Let's see. So you 567 00:39:38,460 --> 00:39:44,460 said we were insurgent, a terrorist. Then you move from 568 00:39:44,460 --> 00:39:51,240 there to being like Trump, which we all know, Trump supporters 569 00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:54,090 are, like terrorist and violent. 570 00:39:54,569 --> 00:39:57,929 Well, interestingly enough, they're also white supremacists. 571 00:39:57,929 --> 00:40:04,409 So welcome to the party. Now Yeah. And I like we own the 572 00:40:04,409 --> 00:40:08,459 group fiercely attacks the Democratic Party, urging black 573 00:40:08,459 --> 00:40:11,279 voters to abstain from voting, which is true, but I don't know 574 00:40:11,279 --> 00:40:13,079 about the fiercely attacking bit. 575 00:40:13,950 --> 00:40:18,810 And it says is skepticism of immigration. Here's the thing. A 576 00:40:18,810 --> 00:40:23,070 Das has been against a legal immigration and see they do this 577 00:40:23,100 --> 00:40:30,450 make all the time all the time. Yeah. No problem with illegal 578 00:40:30,450 --> 00:40:33,090 immigrants. You got here you did your paperwork, right. You came 579 00:40:33,090 --> 00:40:35,940 here, you know, you went through the proper channels. The problem 580 00:40:35,970 --> 00:40:41,220 is a legal immigration directly undercuts and becomes 581 00:40:41,220 --> 00:40:45,780 competition with poor blacks and America and the West a problem 582 00:40:45,780 --> 00:40:47,370 and the way this is written. 583 00:40:49,020 --> 00:40:52,830 You could interpret it multiple ways, which is I think it's a 584 00:40:52,830 --> 00:40:56,970 trick that a writer at The Times would do to I'll read the line 585 00:40:56,970 --> 00:41:00,480 again, it's skepticism of immigration. Now, you can 586 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,950 interpret that as all kinds of stuff. It could also be the 587 00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:07,770 skepticism of immigration, because there's so much illegal 588 00:41:07,770 --> 00:41:10,680 immigration, but it doesn't say that it's skepticism of 589 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,190 immigration sometimes strikes a tone similar to that of 590 00:41:14,190 --> 00:41:20,280 President Trump, which, in essence, is probably true, 591 00:41:20,430 --> 00:41:23,790 because Trump talks about illegal immigration. It's just 592 00:41:23,790 --> 00:41:26,940 it's not specifically laid out in the article. So it's 593 00:41:26,940 --> 00:41:28,110 chickenshit. Really? 594 00:41:29,700 --> 00:41:32,940 Yeah. So then moving on down says argued black voters to 595 00:41:32,970 --> 00:41:38,040 abstain from voting for the next Democratic presidential nominee, 596 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,830 which I have been a big supporter of, I tell people all 597 00:41:40,830 --> 00:41:43,410 the time, if somebody doesn't give you the option not to vote, 598 00:41:43,830 --> 00:41:48,810 then you don't have option. Um, so that's where that's where the 599 00:41:48,810 --> 00:41:52,110 real, real issue comes in with this whole and this is what this 600 00:41:52,110 --> 00:41:56,850 whole this is what this whole article is about. 2020. Then 601 00:41:56,850 --> 00:41:59,610 they go down to the next paragraph says such tactics have 602 00:41:59,610 --> 00:42:03,690 led to accuse the group of sowing division amongst African 603 00:42:03,690 --> 00:42:07,740 Americans, and engaging in a form of voter suppression 604 00:42:07,770 --> 00:42:09,120 is Yeah, that's great. 605 00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:18,150 Ah, not unlike voter purges, and gerrymandering, how the hell can 606 00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:19,200 we gerrymander? 607 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,490 I mean, not unlike a you're drawing an lines in the 608 00:42:23,490 --> 00:42:26,490 districts? I don't know. I really don't know what that 609 00:42:26,490 --> 00:42:27,720 means. That's, that's 610 00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:32,400 a stretch. So this is what this is. This is what this like I 611 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,010 say, I know sent out a lot, but this is what this whole article 612 00:42:35,010 --> 00:42:41,340 is about, is to really shame black people. Like oh, you know, 613 00:42:41,340 --> 00:42:44,610 you don't vote you will let Trump win. You know, he's the 614 00:42:44,610 --> 00:42:47,040 boogey man you know, he's the big bad Klansmen, 615 00:42:47,070 --> 00:42:50,160 you know, I mean, now, look at look at these blacks. They're on 616 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,610 his side, that's even worse that I mean, just just associating 617 00:42:53,610 --> 00:42:57,390 this group with Trump is enough. I mean, that's enough for the 618 00:42:57,420 --> 00:43:00,810 for the New York Times reader and the elites of America to 619 00:43:00,810 --> 00:43:03,780 decide right then and there. A das equals Trump 620 00:43:03,810 --> 00:43:10,170 equals bad. Yes. So um, let's get to the next clip. 621 00:43:10,770 --> 00:43:14,610 Shireen Mitchell, the founder of stop online violence against 622 00:43:14,610 --> 00:43:17,700 women has been embroiled in online battle with ados. 623 00:43:17,700 --> 00:43:21,060 activist for months. Miss Mitchell contends that the 624 00:43:21,060 --> 00:43:25,830 group's leaders are quote, using reparations as a weapon in 625 00:43:25,830 --> 00:43:30,510 quote, to make Mr. Trump more palatable to black voters. 626 00:43:30,540 --> 00:43:33,180 Others have pointed out and Miss Cornell once appeared on her 627 00:43:33,180 --> 00:43:35,730 YouTube channel and make America great again hat 628 00:43:37,980 --> 00:43:42,360 as proof so she did appear on her channel wouldn't make a good 629 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:47,280 America Great Again, hat. But if this reporter had done her 630 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,640 homework, it was as a joke, but this has become a meme. It's 631 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,700 become one of those things where if you say it enough is true. 632 00:43:53,730 --> 00:43:57,120 Yeah, you got it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Doesn't 633 00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,210 matter what the truth is, we got you would have Magga hat on. So 634 00:44:00,210 --> 00:44:04,230 you're saying you're, you're in with the on the alt right. Um, 635 00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:08,520 so another thing she points out here, she says, using 636 00:44:08,670 --> 00:44:13,740 reparations as a weapon. Now, nobody has a problem when people 637 00:44:13,740 --> 00:44:18,780 use immigration as a weapon. They say, if you don't support 638 00:44:18,780 --> 00:44:26,670 immigration, we won't support you. AIPAC uses there's no, I 639 00:44:26,670 --> 00:44:31,350 mean, it's politics. That's how politics works. You know, I 640 00:44:31,350 --> 00:44:34,110 won't vote for you. You won't have my support. We will get you 641 00:44:34,110 --> 00:44:36,630 out of office will run against you in the primaries. You know, 642 00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:39,900 I mean, that's, that's how politics work. Yeah, but it's 643 00:44:39,900 --> 00:44:40,080 like, 644 00:44:40,439 --> 00:44:43,649 it's clearly a DDOS or not obedience. They're not doing 645 00:44:43,649 --> 00:44:45,059 what they're supposed to do. 646 00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:52,920 Get back in your home. Yep. Well, and this quote is from 647 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:57,180 Miss Shareen Mitchell does that name ring a bell to you, sir? 648 00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:59,280 Shareen Mitchell. 649 00:45:01,439 --> 00:45:02,579 Not offhand. 650 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,580 We'll miss your remit. You had a talk with Miss Joy read? 651 00:45:09,150 --> 00:45:13,890 Oh, yes, I know who this is. Yeah, sure do. Straight into it, 652 00:45:13,890 --> 00:45:15,360 shall we goes are we have some fun. 653 00:45:15,870 --> 00:45:19,920 They appear to be a human, but they don't leave a big gap as as 654 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,950 Adam just said, in the time that they've tweeted, and they tweet 655 00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:24,810 you should you respond to them? 656 00:45:25,470 --> 00:45:29,160 Generally no, I mean, off the back, you should say back and 657 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,250 just sort of watch their engagement, how many times 658 00:45:32,250 --> 00:45:34,410 they're tweeting, what they're tweeting about, and even the 659 00:45:34,410 --> 00:45:37,350 topics in particular. And a lot of the ones that are pretending 660 00:45:37,350 --> 00:45:40,170 to be black people and black women in particular, who are 661 00:45:40,170 --> 00:45:43,800 focusing on black identity have these sort of aspects in the 662 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,220 ways that they're talking about language. If we saw the other 663 00:45:47,220 --> 00:45:50,430 day, there was an account that was supposed to be for black 664 00:45:50,430 --> 00:45:54,300 supporting Howard Schultz, that account was eventually pulled 665 00:45:54,300 --> 00:45:57,570 down. But that was a prime example of someone trying to 666 00:45:57,570 --> 00:46:01,050 mimic support from the black community for a particular 667 00:46:01,050 --> 00:46:03,570 candidate. So these kinds of things that are happening at 668 00:46:03,570 --> 00:46:06,540 this moment, we have to pay a little bit more close attention 669 00:46:06,540 --> 00:46:09,840 to it because there is nuance, but there are also identifying 670 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,750 factors. For example, right now from the black identity 671 00:46:12,750 --> 00:46:18,030 framework, there's a new sort of hashtag and or identity that's 672 00:46:18,030 --> 00:46:23,100 in their bios called a D O S, or D. O S, which is standing for 673 00:46:23,100 --> 00:46:24,840 descendants of slaves. 674 00:46:25,799 --> 00:46:29,459 Well, that's wrong. And also what she's she's from stop 675 00:46:29,459 --> 00:46:33,779 online violence against women. And yet, why is she speaking on 676 00:46:33,779 --> 00:46:34,559 this topic? 677 00:46:35,970 --> 00:46:38,100 Well, she's the blackbutt. Lady. 678 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,630 Oh, the she's the blackbutt. Lady. Okay, can we play it? 679 00:46:43,350 --> 00:46:44,190 Yeah, yes. 680 00:46:44,340 --> 00:46:48,120 So it's the indication that they are, they are someone who was 681 00:46:48,270 --> 00:46:51,450 born and you know, as a descendant in the United States, 682 00:46:51,540 --> 00:46:56,370 who was representing black America, and has the vernacular 683 00:46:56,370 --> 00:46:59,700 in the language that people will believe is someone who's a part 684 00:46:59,700 --> 00:47:02,760 of our community who's either debating about Camilla or 685 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,330 debating about Booker, because that's who just announced and 686 00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,990 I'm trying to say, we know who's the most, you know, who's who's 687 00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:13,860 black in America and making sure that they're, you know, sort of 688 00:47:13,860 --> 00:47:16,620 talking in this vernacular that makes it look like that they are 689 00:47:17,340 --> 00:47:18,900 American? Yeah, yeah. 690 00:47:19,050 --> 00:47:22,440 We I mean, I did see a huge uptick in bot activity when it 691 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,630 came to when Kamala Harris announced it's like it just 692 00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:27,300 dropped like a bomb. It just happened really quickly. And she 693 00:47:27,300 --> 00:47:30,750 was accused of being not, not really black. Not Not really. 694 00:47:32,670 --> 00:47:35,490 You can see that happening. But actually, there was an uptick of 695 00:47:35,490 --> 00:47:39,030 those bots, just before she was about to announce so they were 696 00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:40,590 preparing for her announcement. 697 00:47:40,890 --> 00:47:44,100 I love joy Reid, who's like, oh, I noticed all these bots. No, 698 00:47:44,100 --> 00:47:47,310 you did not. You don't notice any of that. 699 00:47:47,970 --> 00:47:52,170 Oh, these are real people. And it's amazing that Miss Farah 700 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:56,520 Stockman didn't ask Miss Urim Mitchell about her black bots 701 00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:02,460 comment. I'll we blocked bots now. Ah, you shouldn't be afraid 702 00:48:02,460 --> 00:48:05,760 of bots. Not voting. Right? Yeah. You see what I'm saying? 703 00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,900 So no, she brings her up. She mentioned to her how you know, 704 00:48:10,110 --> 00:48:13,950 we're using reparations as a weapon, making Trump more 705 00:48:13,950 --> 00:48:17,040 palatable to the black voters. But she didn't ask her about her 706 00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,950 black box comment that she made on jewelry reads our 707 00:48:21,570 --> 00:48:26,190 show. No. In fact, the article just says that she has been 708 00:48:26,190 --> 00:48:29,640 embroiled in a Shareen Mitchell founder stop online violence 709 00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,000 against woman has been embroiled in an online battle with the A 710 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:37,260 das activist for months. She's battling bots mo she's very 711 00:48:37,260 --> 00:48:41,700 brave. Mr. Mitchell contend that the group's leaders are using 712 00:48:41,700 --> 00:48:46,230 reparations as a weapon. So yeah, so of course, why would 713 00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:50,040 the New York Times call her out on that that makes no sense. And 714 00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:51,060 where she why 715 00:48:51,390 --> 00:48:56,460 she from Shareen Mitchell is not much on. 716 00:48:57,780 --> 00:49:00,630 There's not much about her on the Wikipedia. All right, 717 00:49:00,660 --> 00:49:03,420 but why are you so worried about bots, bots don't vote? 718 00:49:05,250 --> 00:49:10,650 Well, because of the division, the bots were sewing in the 719 00:49:10,650 --> 00:49:16,650 community to move people or black people away from 720 00:49:16,650 --> 00:49:20,520 supporting Kamala Harris and Cory Booker. That's that's what 721 00:49:20,580 --> 00:49:21,570 the way I understood it. 722 00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:26,250 And column my head count. I like it Come on my head column. 723 00:49:30,900 --> 00:49:36,780 column or column up? Yeah. So Kamala Harris would take down 724 00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:41,160 was the shot across the bow. That's when they really saw 725 00:49:41,610 --> 00:49:49,650 these people is serious. Yeah. To take down a consider to be a 726 00:49:49,650 --> 00:49:53,460 leading cause you know how they classify their candidates over 727 00:49:53,460 --> 00:49:56,970 the Democratic Party. She was one of the leading Democrats, 728 00:49:57,270 --> 00:50:01,230 and she was completely deflated in a mess. Other days, and as 729 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:02,520 soon as she came out, 730 00:50:02,550 --> 00:50:05,640 I'm surprised that the article doesn't mention that a DOS 731 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:12,210 successfully beat Kamala Harris down to 3%. In the polls, these 732 00:50:12,210 --> 00:50:16,920 are very dangerous aid officers. But anyway, missed opportunity, 733 00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:17,010 I 734 00:50:17,010 --> 00:50:24,510 think. So, as we know, Miss Marianne Williamson, she had the 735 00:50:24,510 --> 00:50:29,760 air of Athos and Aidan's had her ear, um, but it's a clip that I 736 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,960 had, and I didn't, it was one of those clips slips. And I made 737 00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:38,730 mention of it. But when I went back and listen to it, it had a 738 00:50:38,730 --> 00:50:45,450 totally different context now. Um, she's gonna lay out the step 739 00:50:45,450 --> 00:50:54,270 by step plan of how you can move. Well, I'll let her explain 740 00:50:54,270 --> 00:50:54,390 it. 741 00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,470 There was a moment last night that seemed like you were going 742 00:50:58,500 --> 00:51:00,900 almost you are going at it with Don Lemon. 743 00:51:01,590 --> 00:51:05,250 He posed a question to you about reparations. What was going 744 00:51:05,250 --> 00:51:06,840 through your mind when he asked you this question? 745 00:51:08,010 --> 00:51:12,240 Well, how diminishing can he be? What makes you qualified to 746 00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:15,780 determine a number? You know, there's this political class, 747 00:51:15,780 --> 00:51:20,130 it's like a Wizard of Oz type of thing. Only they know, you know, 748 00:51:20,130 --> 00:51:22,740 it's like something's going on behind the curtain. A lot of 749 00:51:22,740 --> 00:51:24,990 people have serious conversations about what's going 750 00:51:24,990 --> 00:51:28,800 on in this country, not just a bunch of TV pundits and, and 751 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,310 politician. So and I was so diminishing, what makes you 752 00:51:32,310 --> 00:51:36,630 qualified to do math, there is a certain, you know, strain of 753 00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:39,900 official note. So at first it was like, We won't take her 754 00:51:39,900 --> 00:51:43,770 seriously. She's not there. Then okay, she's there. But she's a 755 00:51:43,770 --> 00:51:47,730 joke. She's a looney tune. And now they've gotten to a phase 756 00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,510 of, well, so never win the nomination, but we should 757 00:51:51,510 --> 00:51:53,970 probably listen to her because she has some really important 758 00:51:53,970 --> 00:51:54,870 things to say. 759 00:51:55,680 --> 00:52:00,360 Okay. So the step by step she laid out about how they attacked 760 00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:04,230 her. Yeah, they did the same thing that a Das. Won, they're 761 00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:09,300 not there. Yet. You know, their bots, then they're Looney Tunes, 762 00:52:09,900 --> 00:52:14,970 to their joke. Yeah. But now it's like, all well, they got 763 00:52:14,970 --> 00:52:18,420 real power. We got to listen to him. It's the same as that step 764 00:52:18,420 --> 00:52:21,510 by step. No, I heard it. I was like, wow, yeah, you know, this 765 00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:27,330 is a system. This is a real system. And then my brain got 766 00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:36,750 going, um, if there's a system as Mr. Neely Fuller said, there 767 00:52:36,750 --> 00:52:41,880 is a system and it controls the world. But let's listen to him 768 00:52:42,390 --> 00:52:44,280 talk about that system, and only 769 00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:48,300 got to step on my foot and you got to find milk. Now I gotta go 770 00:52:48,300 --> 00:52:51,510 get my brothers and my gangs would not see and the white 771 00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:56,580 supremacist say, These people don't even know how we do what 772 00:52:56,580 --> 00:53:00,300 we do. That's why we are masters of the world. 773 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:08,880 So we've we figured out how they do what they do. And how they do 774 00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:14,160 it. They do used to be called COINTELPRO. So COINTELPRO was 775 00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:18,960 this system of counter intelligence, custom for counter 776 00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:23,910 intelligence program. It was ran by one Mr. Hoover, J. Edgar 777 00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:33,510 Hoover, FBI to be specific for the FBI. And this is the to me, 778 00:53:33,870 --> 00:53:39,120 when I read this article, it may not be specifically COINTELPRO, 779 00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:43,230 but it smacks of the same kind of methodology behind it. 780 00:53:44,010 --> 00:53:47,070 We know that government watches us, but what about when 781 00:53:47,070 --> 00:53:50,790 government surveillance changes the course of history. In the 782 00:53:50,790 --> 00:53:55,530 1960s, the US government started a program called COINTELPRO, or 783 00:53:55,530 --> 00:53:58,410 the counter intelligence program. The program was a 784 00:53:58,410 --> 00:54:02,310 series of secret FBI initiatives targeting activists, political 785 00:54:02,310 --> 00:54:05,730 and minority groups, the American Indian Movement, the 786 00:54:05,730 --> 00:54:09,690 Black Panthers, Martin Luther King, women's and civil rights 787 00:54:09,690 --> 00:54:13,200 groups, Vietnam War protesters, and anyone who got the 788 00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:17,670 government seeing red tactics used included infiltration, and 789 00:54:17,670 --> 00:54:20,700 surveying and discrediting leaders and causes in order to 790 00:54:20,700 --> 00:54:24,840 undermine entire movements and organizations. But a lot of what 791 00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,740 COINTELPRO did was illegal, and it was officially disbanded in 792 00:54:28,740 --> 00:54:32,640 1971. Though if you ask many activist groups and political 793 00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,390 dissidents, it still exists. Just him another form. 794 00:54:38,100 --> 00:54:48,150 Okay. I'm very I'm very familiar with this. I didn't realize that 795 00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:51,900 it was. They stopped it in 1971. 796 00:54:52,860 --> 00:54:56,010 And was this Ah, 797 00:54:57,210 --> 00:55:00,300 did that have anything to do with the Smith Mundt act By any 798 00:55:00,300 --> 00:55:00,930 chance? 799 00:55:01,770 --> 00:55:06,420 Um, I'm not sure. Okay, that I'm not sure I'm familiar with the 800 00:55:06,420 --> 00:55:10,260 Smith ma app, but I'm not sure if that that went hand in hand. 801 00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:15,000 Okay. But as Mr. Neely Fuller said two clips ago, they 802 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:19,770 understand the powers that be understand. And uh, you see you 803 00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:24,930 we saw in Venezuela, we see all over the world. They empower one 804 00:55:24,930 --> 00:55:28,050 leader against an established leader and then let them fight 805 00:55:28,050 --> 00:55:32,520 it out. Right. And that's what I was alluding to when I say they 806 00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:36,180 mentioned Tyreke machine first before they actually mentioned 807 00:55:36,180 --> 00:55:41,160 the co founder and co founders IDaaS was coming when you see 808 00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,670 these things, it's a pattern. They do the same thing. It's 809 00:55:44,670 --> 00:55:49,620 like um so when I saw I was like, This is gonna be a 810 00:55:49,620 --> 00:56:01,410 problem. But my worst fears came true. Tariq nasheed and tone 811 00:56:01,410 --> 00:56:06,300 talks took the bait, and it started with Tarik Nashi tweet. 812 00:56:06,509 --> 00:56:10,289 Trump is actually talking about providing specific tangibles to 813 00:56:10,289 --> 00:56:13,829 foundational black Americans, yet the Democrats who black 814 00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:19,589 Americans have been so naively loyal to are adamant about not 815 00:56:19,589 --> 00:56:23,399 doing anything specific for black Americans. So why should 816 00:56:23,579 --> 00:56:27,119 we honestly support the Democrats? This is in response 817 00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:34,199 to Trump saying we created 9000 opportunity zones, 8 million in 818 00:56:34,379 --> 00:56:38,759 an 8 million African Americans live in opportunity zones, yet 819 00:56:38,759 --> 00:56:43,229 every Democrat voted against giving these black citizens the 820 00:56:43,229 --> 00:56:46,679 future they deserve. The Democrats, the Republicans got 821 00:56:46,679 --> 00:56:47,519 it passed. 822 00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:54,780 So Tarik mushy made a tweet. He where he retweeted a Trump 823 00:56:54,780 --> 00:56:59,250 tweet, kind of like supporting Trump. But Trump's tweet, 824 00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:03,060 include the mention of opportunity zones, which 825 00:57:04,050 --> 00:57:07,380 opportunity zone, as I stated on the show myself is a sticking 826 00:57:07,380 --> 00:57:09,660 point for me. Because you're he's 827 00:57:09,660 --> 00:57:12,630 out for me as well. And you know, because I live in an 828 00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:17,250 opportunity zone. So I'm curious to see how it's doing for poor 829 00:57:17,250 --> 00:57:17,670 people. 830 00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:23,070 Yeah, so it's just on a surface level, it has been branded as 831 00:57:23,070 --> 00:57:27,960 black as bad for black people. I don't know call stuff, just I'm 832 00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:34,980 saying on the on in the MB. When you hear that term now, in the 833 00:57:36,180 --> 00:57:41,880 ADA circles, which you want to say they woke circles is 834 00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:47,340 synonymous with a gentrification? Yeah, we have to 835 00:57:47,610 --> 00:57:54,210 say, it's very nuanced. But for him to retweet that I knew there 836 00:57:54,210 --> 00:58:00,180 was going to be pushback for him doing that with I was what what 837 00:58:00,180 --> 00:58:04,560 now? Let me be clear, we're talking about intra group 838 00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:09,600 conflict. Yeah. So at this point, eight, us, native black, 839 00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:13,350 foundational black, everybody was on the same page, right? 840 00:58:14,850 --> 00:58:20,850 Post the article, we started seeing fractures happen, and 841 00:58:20,850 --> 00:58:26,490 they would happen to immediately. Um, so Terry, and 842 00:58:26,490 --> 00:58:30,390 she makes this tweet that was read by Yvette Cornell just just 843 00:58:30,390 --> 00:58:35,490 for full disclosure, which is the founder of Athos, the group. 844 00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:43,770 And so, town talks, replies to Tyreek tweet, 845 00:58:44,250 --> 00:58:46,530 I'm seeing this thing and I responded to Tareekh. And I 846 00:58:46,530 --> 00:58:50,010 said, this is not real politics, Trump perform one of the most 847 00:58:50,190 --> 00:58:53,970 regressive tax cuts in American history. They left the cupboard 848 00:58:53,970 --> 00:58:57,150 bare for any type of major program that would have cost 849 00:58:57,150 --> 00:59:00,480 similar to reparation. You cannot say this without 850 00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,450 recognizing that fact. Okay, 851 00:59:03,930 --> 00:59:08,640 so let me let me just hear what he said. Was that the 852 00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:12,900 opportunity zone the the amount of money that's involved, that 853 00:59:12,930 --> 00:59:17,250 could have just been used for reparations for a Doss, is that 854 00:59:17,250 --> 00:59:17,910 what he's saying? 855 00:59:18,450 --> 00:59:23,340 I'm thinking the way I interpret it was it doesn't compare Okay, 856 00:59:23,370 --> 00:59:25,440 cuz here's the thing. Oh, yeah. 857 00:59:25,710 --> 00:59:29,730 In other words, that's not reparations. Nice. Yeah, well 858 00:59:29,730 --> 00:59:33,750 done might work. Who knows Jury's out but it is reparations 859 00:59:33,750 --> 00:59:34,110 No. 860 00:59:35,100 --> 00:59:42,630 So inside baseball here. Anything that can be used to 861 00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:47,550 needle the Democrats, native blacks are willing to use 862 00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,390 because those are the people that have taken us for granted 863 00:59:51,390 --> 00:59:54,450 for so many years taken our vote for granted for so many years. 864 00:59:54,750 --> 00:59:59,460 What needs to happen is it needs to be parity created between the 865 00:59:59,460 --> 01:00:05,100 two party If you bring them on the same level and then you say, 866 01:00:05,130 --> 01:00:09,180 Okay compete for our vote. Democrats should do you need our 867 01:00:09,180 --> 01:00:13,500 vote? You want to take Trump out of office if he's a threatening 868 01:00:13,500 --> 01:00:16,860 the, what was the word he liked to use? Threatening democracy, 869 01:00:16,890 --> 01:00:18,300 our democracy, right? Yeah, 870 01:00:18,299 --> 01:00:21,719 right. Right now the market three, A, this this, this 871 01:00:21,719 --> 01:00:24,959 reparations seemed like a good deal to get him out of there. 872 01:00:24,989 --> 01:00:29,369 What's up, right. And then on the other hand, is like a Trump, 873 01:00:29,399 --> 01:00:32,519 you know, saying, you know, if you want to lock up this 2020 874 01:00:32,519 --> 01:00:36,959 vote, what's up, or neither one of you want to do anything, 875 01:00:36,989 --> 01:00:39,269 we're gonna sit on the sidelines and let you guys figure it out. 876 01:00:39,299 --> 01:00:39,629 That's how 877 01:00:39,630 --> 01:00:43,680 politics works. That's, that's, that's how people get votes. 878 01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:44,130 Sure. 879 01:00:45,300 --> 01:00:49,860 That's on code. But people are going off code. 880 01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,790 every word matters at this moment. Part of the reason that 881 01:00:53,790 --> 01:00:56,730 we're talking voting brought down by like Democrat is to make 882 01:00:56,730 --> 01:01:00,060 it clear that we're not a right wing propaganda tool. Because 883 01:01:00,060 --> 01:01:05,250 right now, the four DS come into, into play, dismiss, 884 01:01:05,490 --> 01:01:09,600 divide, destroy, you know, they're trying to, they're 885 01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:14,370 essentially trying to try to get us and call us right wing, when 886 01:01:14,370 --> 01:01:17,940 actually we're just demanding a black agenda. So as a result, we 887 01:01:17,940 --> 01:01:21,810 can't get any fuel to the fire. And I think it's, what I'm 888 01:01:21,810 --> 01:01:26,610 seeing right now is an inability to really understand how 889 01:01:26,610 --> 01:01:31,740 important that is imagery, how important it is to catch this 890 01:01:31,740 --> 01:01:37,050 thing as what it is where, look, black folks since 74 have voted 891 01:01:37,050 --> 01:01:44,160 90% Democrat, black folks. When you look at Latinos, in the last 892 01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:49,560 election, 65% of Latinos voted for for the Democrats 35% voted 893 01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:54,990 for Trump, when you look at whites 674, their rate of vote 894 01:01:54,990 --> 01:01:59,100 for the Republicans has been over 50%. And for the Democrats, 895 01:01:59,100 --> 01:02:03,090 it's been like 40%, the Democratic Party is our party. 896 01:02:03,780 --> 01:02:07,200 The problem is that we haven't called on them with the specific 897 01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:11,640 Black Agenda and demanded of them what they owe us. You don't 898 01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:15,300 walk away from what they what somebody owes you. And say it's 899 01:02:15,300 --> 01:02:17,880 because they don't want to recognize you without making 900 01:02:18,060 --> 01:02:20,850 what I'm making a haymaker of a case, and that's what we're 901 01:02:20,850 --> 01:02:21,390 doing right 902 01:02:21,390 --> 01:02:28,860 now. Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, skirt skirt, hit the 903 01:02:28,860 --> 01:02:36,780 brakes. Right. We were all on code here. If nobody puts 904 01:02:36,780 --> 01:02:41,340 anything on the table, you're not getting our vote. And even 905 01:02:41,340 --> 01:02:45,120 sir, certain segments, you're saying, if the Democrats aren't 906 01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:48,570 willing to put anything on the table, we will vote for Trump. 907 01:02:50,430 --> 01:02:54,180 Just to show the Democrats we're not playing right that that's 908 01:02:54,180 --> 01:03:01,650 that was the code, right? And then aid off the group. Now this 909 01:03:01,650 --> 01:03:05,220 is where it becomes a lineage which you can't be born in. And 910 01:03:05,220 --> 01:03:08,130 I mean, you can't be an out of the group. You're born into it. 911 01:03:08,130 --> 01:03:12,210 Right. I mean, I was born a loss, just for the sheer fact 912 01:03:12,210 --> 01:03:15,630 that who my parents weren't who their parents were right. Now 913 01:03:15,630 --> 01:03:20,730 Ukraine eternal making a group, a political group. And you're 914 01:03:20,730 --> 01:03:24,870 saying we're gonna vote down ticket Democrat? No. And like I 915 01:03:24,870 --> 01:03:28,500 said, this is I'm not picking sides in this situation. Because 916 01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,890 one thing you know about me, Adam, I made it very clear. I 917 01:03:31,890 --> 01:03:32,790 don't do groups. 918 01:03:34,410 --> 01:03:35,850 No, that's correct. 919 01:03:36,569 --> 01:03:40,079 The reason why I don't do groups is this very case right here. 920 01:03:40,949 --> 01:03:46,709 Because groups change. And now you've I've locked myself in 921 01:03:46,709 --> 01:03:51,479 with this group. And now have you done a pivot? No, we're not 922 01:03:51,479 --> 01:03:54,599 voting down ticket anything because that's that's a trick in 923 01:03:54,599 --> 01:03:58,049 itself. Because the reason why I say that is how does the average 924 01:03:58,049 --> 01:03:58,889 American vote? 925 01:03:59,910 --> 01:04:02,910 straight ticket? Yeah, Republican Democrat done? 926 01:04:04,050 --> 01:04:06,150 You're not going to sit down and check the average person that 927 01:04:06,150 --> 01:04:08,280 can go to sit? No, I'm not going to vote for president but I'm 928 01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:12,690 going to go check everybody out the judge and senators and now 929 01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:15,060 you're gonna go on there, you're going to put push one button or 930 01:04:15,060 --> 01:04:18,360 the other button, right? Pretty much so this is absolutely this 931 01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:23,340 as a trick I took as as an insult to my intelligence 932 01:04:23,370 --> 01:04:29,040 because it was very clear. We're not if nothing tenten it and 933 01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:33,240 it's the word we'll use tangible. Oh, yes, we're gonna 934 01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:37,530 use reparations as a weapon, the same way immigration is us. We 935 01:04:37,530 --> 01:04:42,360 might not get immigration, you know, the immigrant immigrant. 936 01:04:43,470 --> 01:04:46,290 activist groups might not get open borders, but they like what 937 01:04:46,290 --> 01:04:50,010 do you got for me? What can we get? We can get DACA okay, we're 938 01:04:50,010 --> 01:04:50,280 saying 939 01:04:50,970 --> 01:04:54,420 every, everybody wants something. Absolutely. Right. 940 01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:59,100 So what's the latest, um, for us for leveraging. So maybe you 941 01:04:59,100 --> 01:05:02,190 couldn't do eight out You couldn't do reparations. But you 942 01:05:02,190 --> 01:05:06,420 could say, well, we can do A, B and C. And then we see you next 943 01:05:06,420 --> 01:05:08,790 election. So that's, that's, that's kind of tangible, you 944 01:05:08,790 --> 01:05:11,670 know, saying that was, you know, I mean, I feel I could feel it, 945 01:05:11,700 --> 01:05:14,490 you know, I could I could talk a touch of Israel, and we could 946 01:05:14,490 --> 01:05:17,760 talk, but nobody's put anything on the table. And now all of a 947 01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:23,130 sudden as we get close to 2020, you have a Das, the group and 948 01:05:23,130 --> 01:05:26,820 let me be clear here, a dotnet. Now Now as for shattering to 949 01:05:26,820 --> 01:05:32,880 Well, I said, I'm gonna go by NBA now. Because now you've done 950 01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:38,730 something weird here. I'm now while passe das means something 951 01:05:38,730 --> 01:05:44,970 totally different. And Tariq mushy replies back and he makes 952 01:05:44,970 --> 01:05:48,240 the point of politics versus lineage, my position 953 01:05:48,270 --> 01:05:52,560 and everybody else is a lineage, but it's also created by a 954 01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:55,920 movement of politics, a very sustained politics around the 955 01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:57,780 Black Agenda, and reparation. 956 01:05:57,810 --> 01:06:01,890 Okay, so right there. Okay, so lineage, but it's a movement 957 01:06:01,890 --> 01:06:05,760 based around politics or some political group. Okay. Okay. 958 01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:09,930 We'll say that. We get it back to me, this is what I'm saying. 959 01:06:10,020 --> 01:06:14,580 Don't say that and just be very upfront with it. This is a 960 01:06:14,580 --> 01:06:18,000 political group that they have, that they've named the same 961 01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:23,040 thing so that it can be conflated. That's him saying 962 01:06:23,610 --> 01:06:27,600 it's linear, but it's also this political thing, too. So it's a 963 01:06:27,630 --> 01:06:30,630 group that they've completed with the lineage. So when you 964 01:06:30,630 --> 01:06:33,750 speak about the lineage, by proxy, you're speaking about the 965 01:06:33,750 --> 01:06:38,460 group and you begin the group up. It's two things. That's very 966 01:06:38,460 --> 01:06:45,390 deceptive. That's very deceptive. That's deceptive. You 967 01:06:45,390 --> 01:06:49,410 ain't talking about lineage no more. So if a person out here, 968 01:06:49,410 --> 01:06:52,560 just saying, Yeah, ados. And you think, Okay, I'm just supporting 969 01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:55,650 the lineage. And then they're using that Tony nibandh? Well, 970 01:06:55,650 --> 01:06:58,320 that's, that's the number that's he's in my group. That's my 971 01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:02,880 group member. I'm the leader of you understand, we're lineage, 972 01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:04,110 you're telling me who to vote for. 973 01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:12,450 In, in an interesting way. This parallels the, the 2008 Tea 974 01:07:12,450 --> 01:07:17,850 Party, who were not necessarily a lineage, but there was a 975 01:07:17,850 --> 01:07:22,560 foundational set of beliefs. And it was Ron Paul, who, who 976 01:07:22,590 --> 01:07:28,410 started that who ran that, and through very similar tricks. 977 01:07:29,700 --> 01:07:33,090 That whole group was co opted. And it was turned into 978 01:07:33,090 --> 01:07:35,010 something. In fact, it was turned into something so 979 01:07:35,010 --> 01:07:39,390 naughty, that Ron Paul left, he left his own group, you know, 980 01:07:39,390 --> 01:07:42,930 because it did turn into just a political entity and all kinds 981 01:07:42,930 --> 01:07:45,630 of and it happens all the time and other actors come in, and 982 01:07:45,930 --> 01:07:49,890 then the group morphs and changes. So yeah, it's, it's, 983 01:07:49,950 --> 01:07:50,940 it's tough doing that. 984 01:07:51,090 --> 01:07:55,680 So there is a definite definite parallel between the Tea Party 985 01:07:55,680 --> 01:08:03,120 and between the Tea Party and Athos, because this is how it 986 01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:10,050 becomes was from grassroots to astroturf, right. And like I 987 01:08:10,050 --> 01:08:15,180 said, I'm off the boat. I can't add, well, can't do this. And I 988 01:08:15,180 --> 01:08:19,350 think other people picked up on it. And I'm not picking sides, 989 01:08:19,410 --> 01:08:24,120 because one of these conversations should have been 990 01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:28,020 had behind the scenes. They should have sit down in a room 991 01:08:28,020 --> 01:08:33,510 together, had a conversation, and not had it all over social 992 01:08:33,510 --> 01:08:37,110 media. So I don't like how either one is you don't know how 993 01:08:37,110 --> 01:08:41,430 to handle it. I think they both have something to add, because 994 01:08:42,510 --> 01:08:47,820 tone has great data. He does the research. And I think Tyrion has 995 01:08:47,820 --> 01:08:53,700 a certain flair. Yeah, charisma also use Korea. So if you add 996 01:08:53,700 --> 01:08:55,830 those two together is value adding, 997 01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:59,070 right? But that doesn't sound like they have the same agenda. 998 01:09:01,110 --> 01:09:07,830 Well, and when you start talking about voting, and nobody can see 999 01:09:07,830 --> 01:09:11,760 what what I mean, my question is, show what you say you have 1000 01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:16,110 data, right? That's your thing, data. Where is the data to say 1001 01:09:16,110 --> 01:09:21,000 for me to vote? You know, where show me the impact. And when I 1002 01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:26,970 cast my vote in four years. I'll see a direct impact. Right? 1003 01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:34,500 Yeah. Um, so then I ask myself, got Yvette and Tom have put so 1004 01:09:34,500 --> 01:09:38,430 much work into this. They should know this movement. Um, they've 1005 01:09:38,430 --> 01:09:42,150 never really caught it a group before. But now it's starting to 1006 01:09:42,150 --> 01:09:46,050 look like a political group. What changed? 1007 01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,920 Oh, the only thing I can think of would be money. 1008 01:09:52,830 --> 01:09:55,050 Cra 1866 1009 01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:58,620 Cra 1866, 1010 01:09:58,650 --> 01:10:02,220 a four days and four A day Donald Trump will walk into the 1011 01:10:02,220 --> 01:10:07,170 Supreme Court to scale back the Civil Rights Act of 1866. 1012 01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:19,170 Okay, hold on a second. Now I do know that there was something 1013 01:10:19,170 --> 01:10:23,580 about the Civil Rights Act but that was more in regard to 1014 01:10:24,090 --> 01:10:29,070 believe it or not trans people. I'm not sure what else was 1015 01:10:29,070 --> 01:10:31,680 charmed this is new to me is surprised to me what what is 1016 01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:33,390 changing with this era? What happened? 1017 01:10:34,230 --> 01:10:37,980 That's the bar Alan thing. Oh, 1018 01:10:38,309 --> 01:10:42,089 oh, his his lawsuit because he's not being carried by the big 1019 01:10:42,089 --> 01:10:46,649 cable companies. Oh, okay. All right. 1020 01:10:46,710 --> 01:10:49,800 And bar Allen and tone talks have been real buddy buddy. 1021 01:10:51,210 --> 01:10:55,350 Byron Allen stepping into the onto the stage. 1022 01:10:56,280 --> 01:11:01,560 Yes. So that's the odd thing I can see that has changed. Like I 1023 01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:07,770 said, I've seen, um, I guess I saw the warning signs. But I 1024 01:11:07,770 --> 01:11:11,940 always give people the benefit of the doubt. I'm always very 1025 01:11:11,940 --> 01:11:15,240 careful about how I cast things. Because I don't want to, I want 1026 01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:18,960 to be a part of your solution, not the problem. But when I saw 1027 01:11:20,700 --> 01:11:25,650 a Democratic candidate, start talking with this group. I'm 1028 01:11:25,650 --> 01:11:31,080 like, wow, like, that's cool. But how that relationship 1029 01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:34,320 happened? Always me say I had to ask this question. How did it 1030 01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:38,280 happen? Yeah. Then I see a Killer Mike sit now who was a 1031 01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:41,850 big representative of Bernie Sanders sits down and talks with 1032 01:11:41,850 --> 01:11:45,930 Tom was taught, Tom was taught. It's like, I'm starting to see 1033 01:11:45,930 --> 01:11:53,160 you surround yourself with a lot of politics. Yeah. And then Barr 1034 01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:56,880 Allen, he came in it was like, Oh, well, it's a nice thing is 1035 01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:01,290 really you're saying got legs? Maybe I can use them to support? 1036 01:12:03,060 --> 01:12:05,940 My my arm? Ryan from it. 1037 01:12:05,940 --> 01:12:08,520 Right. So let me just say agenda. Let me just explain the 1038 01:12:08,790 --> 01:12:11,250 I don't know if you have that here. I don't think so. The the, 1039 01:12:11,730 --> 01:12:16,350 the Byron Allen case is very interesting. He has a number of 1040 01:12:16,410 --> 01:12:20,160 television channels, I think we should call them. And they're 1041 01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:24,840 very black oriented, music and cooking. And you have real 1042 01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:31,200 lifestyle type challenges. And Comcast are one of the largest 1043 01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:35,790 cable companies in the country that hasn't been carrying them. 1044 01:12:36,180 --> 01:12:41,580 And Byron Allen said, Well, you have to because you're violating 1045 01:12:41,580 --> 01:12:46,230 the Civil Rights Act. Based on based on race, your you're 1046 01:12:46,230 --> 01:12:50,610 discriminating against me based on race. So just a headline from 1047 01:12:50,610 --> 01:12:54,000 Fortune magazine from five days ago, Comcast is challenging a 1048 01:12:54,030 --> 01:12:58,800 153 year old law that protects against racial discrimination. 1049 01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:04,320 We can't let that happen. Rights Derrick Johnson. So so this is a 1050 01:13:04,380 --> 01:13:06,540 this is the Supreme Court. So this is going this is all the 1051 01:13:06,540 --> 01:13:09,780 way to the top. And they're going to challenge I'm not I'm 1052 01:13:09,780 --> 01:13:12,390 not completely familiar with the case, but they're going to chair 1053 01:13:12,420 --> 01:13:17,790 challenge his claim that his 100% African American owned 1054 01:13:18,540 --> 01:13:24,300 cable channel is being rejected despite Comcast caring White 1055 01:13:24,330 --> 01:13:29,130 owned channels with similar audience sizes. Hmm. So that's 1056 01:13:29,130 --> 01:13:31,290 the basis of the of the of the case and 1057 01:13:32,550 --> 01:13:35,220 somebody's going to motive and like I don't want to cast 1058 01:13:35,220 --> 01:13:44,190 aspersions on anybody. But I'm starting to see is like where, 1059 01:13:44,220 --> 01:13:51,270 where's What am I getting from our hope? I'm very self or self 1060 01:13:51,690 --> 01:13:56,580 oriented and self focused. Where what what does it do for me? I 1061 01:13:56,580 --> 01:13:59,970 think if everybody voted that way, then you will get the 1062 01:13:59,970 --> 01:14:01,440 government to represent well 1063 01:14:01,440 --> 01:14:04,140 the message is clear mo you're gonna get some cool cooking 1064 01:14:04,140 --> 01:14:14,640 shows Hey, you know, there's there's worse ways to get people 1065 01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:18,060 to vote, vote for me, and we'll give you better TV shows. 1066 01:14:22,230 --> 01:14:29,940 So as I look at this, I can't really support aid off the group 1067 01:14:30,060 --> 01:14:38,160 anymore. Now native black issues. And I want you to turn 1068 01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:42,630 foundational black American because then that seems counter 1069 01:14:42,660 --> 01:14:47,130 aid off the group. Right. Which I have to be fair, Tariq Nasheed 1070 01:14:47,130 --> 01:14:51,600 has says, I am not a leader. I'm not creating a political group, 1071 01:14:51,630 --> 01:14:57,270 you know, but I don't want to be caught in the middle of it. So 1072 01:14:57,660 --> 01:15:01,830 I'm careful like I said to be us. align with groups. And then 1073 01:15:01,830 --> 01:15:04,500 the other thing dangerous about the group is if you start 1074 01:15:04,500 --> 01:15:09,810 calling this a political group, right? And we go back, and you 1075 01:15:09,810 --> 01:15:14,550 start using words like insurgent? Yeah. Then you start 1076 01:15:14,550 --> 01:15:15,390 getting on list. And 1077 01:15:15,390 --> 01:15:18,060 yes, you do. Yes, exactly right. It's very dangerous. 1078 01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:26,100 With that said, this is where we go back. There's always a 1079 01:15:26,100 --> 01:15:28,440 portion of the show that we have to go back in time 1080 01:15:28,650 --> 01:15:31,140 to get go back to school back to school. 1081 01:15:32,370 --> 01:15:35,040 There'll be EB Dwar versus Booker T. 1082 01:15:35,490 --> 01:15:38,670 One of the first moments where Dubois comes onto the national 1083 01:15:38,670 --> 01:15:45,210 stage is the brewing controversy between his ideas about racial 1084 01:15:45,210 --> 01:15:49,110 progress and how to move the race for and the leading African 1085 01:15:49,110 --> 01:15:52,560 American figure of that time period, the late 19th and early 1086 01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:57,750 20th century, Booker T. Washington. In the beginning, 1087 01:15:57,780 --> 01:16:02,040 they agreed on many points about the importance of education, and 1088 01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:05,130 moving the race forward. It turns out, though, that because 1089 01:16:05,130 --> 01:16:09,360 DuBois was northern born and had access to some of the best 1090 01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:12,300 schools in New England, and really was encouraged to think 1091 01:16:12,300 --> 01:16:15,630 broadly, it's been part of his elite graduate education being 1092 01:16:15,630 --> 01:16:20,430 trained in Berlin, working with Max Vabre. By contrast to Booker 1093 01:16:20,430 --> 01:16:23,970 T. Washington, who was self educated, a very gifted and 1094 01:16:23,970 --> 01:16:29,670 talented man, but he was born as a slave. That fundamental 1095 01:16:29,670 --> 01:16:33,120 difference certainly shaped their sense of change over time. 1096 01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:39,060 So here, we have two like minded individuals for the most part of 1097 01:16:39,060 --> 01:16:45,660 what was good for black people. And all of a sudden, they start 1098 01:16:45,660 --> 01:16:51,090 having daring ideas. Now we've spoke about web divorce many 1099 01:16:51,090 --> 01:16:57,870 times on this show, and he was at the NAACP. And as I brought 1100 01:16:57,870 --> 01:17:06,660 up on a couple of occasions, the NAACP chairman was not one not 1101 01:17:06,660 --> 01:17:11,730 other than Joe spin guard. And just for people for matter of 1102 01:17:11,730 --> 01:17:17,070 record. Joe Spingarn was hired in May of 1918, and given them 1103 01:17:17,070 --> 01:17:22,350 rank of Major in the Military Intelligence Division, and ran a 1104 01:17:22,350 --> 01:17:26,760 small unit of undercover agents who was looking for proof of 1105 01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:35,880 subversion. So it's clear that W Ed be the boy it was, for lack 1106 01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:42,660 of better word being steered by Mr. Spingarn, but what is little 1107 01:17:42,660 --> 01:17:48,720 known is about tuskys mitten Hall in the United States 1108 01:17:48,780 --> 01:17:53,670 Army office of intelligence hired a black man by the name of 1109 01:17:54,990 --> 01:18:03,450 Mr. Booker T. Washington's vice principal to ski Institute was a 1110 01:18:03,450 --> 01:18:07,920 paid undercover intelligence officer for the United States 1111 01:18:07,950 --> 01:18:13,050 Army whose job was to spy Booker T. Because they were concerned 1112 01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:16,290 that he was using to ski and they were correct in their 1113 01:18:16,440 --> 01:18:20,100 suspicions as a hideout for black revolutionaries a week 1114 01:18:20,100 --> 01:18:21,510 from claim in a week from 1115 01:18:22,380 --> 01:18:24,420 well, this should COINTELPRO right there. 1116 01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:32,460 Yep. And so now on one side, you got the boys under Joe Spingarn. 1117 01:18:32,550 --> 01:18:37,650 And on the other side, you have Armington. He's working at 1118 01:18:37,650 --> 01:18:42,480 Tuskegee with Booker T. Washington. Now, Tuskegee 1119 01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:47,730 Institute, that is where Tuskegee syphilis experiment 1120 01:18:47,730 --> 01:18:48,120 happened, 1121 01:18:48,150 --> 01:18:51,180 oh, yes, a fine moment in history. 1122 01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:54,960 And it was one of the most infamous bio medical research 1123 01:18:54,960 --> 01:19:01,260 studies in US history. It began while Moulton handed on the 1124 01:19:01,350 --> 01:19:08,100 Tuskegee Institute. And it says this pyramid it failed to tell 1125 01:19:08,100 --> 01:19:12,090 participate to participants their diagnosis, and did not 1126 01:19:12,090 --> 01:19:16,920 treat new era after penicillin was provided in 19 in the 1940s, 1127 01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:25,170 to be effective against syphilis. And in 1932, Mr. R Mo 1128 01:19:25,170 --> 01:19:33,030 and Wanda Spingarn Medal for the NAACP. Good work. 1129 01:19:35,190 --> 01:19:36,090 Here's a mess. Oh, 1130 01:19:37,530 --> 01:19:42,120 we see the things like I say COINTELPRO. I'm not saying 1131 01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:44,850 either one is you know, being steered in any way but what I'm 1132 01:19:44,850 --> 01:19:48,180 saying is anytime there's positive movement in the right 1133 01:19:48,180 --> 01:19:50,430 direction by any group, let's just I mean, because you made 1134 01:19:50,430 --> 01:19:54,450 the point about the Tea Party. If a group does not accept it, 1135 01:19:54,960 --> 01:20:01,080 is making traction. They're infiltrated by outside forces 1136 01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:01,890 and steered. 1137 01:20:02,580 --> 01:20:06,270 Was this not also what Black Lives Matter was about? 1138 01:20:07,740 --> 01:20:12,450 Exactly. It started off as a hashtag. And then Soros money 1139 01:20:12,450 --> 01:20:17,040 came in. And then they start talking about how global warming 1140 01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:17,970 affects black people. 1141 01:20:18,419 --> 01:20:21,479 Black non black women did not mistreat black women. 1142 01:20:23,430 --> 01:20:27,840 Pardon me, pardon me? Yes, you will. Correct. Yeah. So after 1143 01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:36,030 Mr. M. Booker T. Washington was pushed to the side or stepped 1144 01:20:36,030 --> 01:20:42,210 away. Web to Dubois started warring with Marcus Garvey. 1145 01:20:42,780 --> 01:20:46,290 In a world when a black mass movement was deemed a threat to 1146 01:20:46,290 --> 01:20:51,660 the United States. There came the tiger, Marcus Garvey, 1147 01:20:52,259 --> 01:20:56,879 you mighty race, you can accomplish what you will, Africa 1148 01:20:57,029 --> 01:21:04,349 for the Africa, home and abroad. One God, one aim, one destiny 1149 01:21:04,410 --> 01:21:07,080 then came. J. Edgar Hoover. 1150 01:21:07,140 --> 01:21:10,320 This is a dangerous man damn radical ungrateful in an 1151 01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:10,890 American 1152 01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:14,700 in one of the most dangerous times in America. Marcus Garvey, 1153 01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:19,170 codenamed the tiger attempted to organize a global mass exodus of 1154 01:21:19,170 --> 01:21:22,800 Africans to return to their homeland only to be thwarted by 1155 01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:26,880 American officials who used techniques of infiltration and 1156 01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:31,290 disinformation to destroy him. Hiring a force of black 1157 01:21:31,290 --> 01:21:35,010 government agents J. Edgar Hoover devised an infamous 1158 01:21:35,010 --> 01:21:38,460 counter intelligence program coin tell pro 1159 01:21:38,639 --> 01:21:42,389 this works. We may have a model for all future organizations 1160 01:21:42,389 --> 01:21:42,959 like this 1161 01:21:42,990 --> 01:21:45,810 incarcerating him would not stop him. 1162 01:21:45,900 --> 01:21:48,840 Where is the black man's government? Where's his king and 1163 01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:52,290 kingdom? Where's the black man's president? This country? His 1164 01:21:52,290 --> 01:21:53,580 army on this navy, 1165 01:21:53,700 --> 01:21:57,780 provisional president of Africa? Not on my watch J. Edgar 1166 01:21:57,780 --> 01:22:01,350 Hoover had one mission. catch the tiger. 1167 01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:05,250 Yeah, Marcus Garvey, I want a great story. 1168 01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:12,510 So you may ask, how would J Edgar Hoover catch Marcus 1169 01:22:12,510 --> 01:22:21,150 Garvey? Well, we use the first African American FBI agent. Of 1170 01:22:21,150 --> 01:22:21,540 course. 1171 01:22:24,750 --> 01:22:28,680 The FBI is marking the 100th anniversary of the hiring of the 1172 01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:32,400 first African American Special Agent. It's a chapter of the 1173 01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:36,000 Bureau's history that is not well known, but it's relevant to 1174 01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:40,620 what is happening inside the FBI today. CBS whose chief justice 1175 01:22:40,620 --> 01:22:43,650 and HOMELAND SECURITY CORRESPONDENT Jeff legates was 1176 01:22:43,650 --> 01:22:47,910 given a rare access to the Bureau's archives and two top 1177 01:22:47,910 --> 01:22:51,360 FBI officials. He's in our Washington bureau. Good morning, 1178 01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:51,750 Jeff. 1179 01:22:52,140 --> 01:22:55,410 Good morning, Michelle. There are no known photographs of the 1180 01:22:55,410 --> 01:22:58,980 first African Americans Special Agent but there is a record of 1181 01:22:58,980 --> 01:23:03,900 his hiring a century ago. And as we look through the FBI archives 1182 01:23:03,900 --> 01:23:06,840 Bureau officials told us that they believe there are lessons 1183 01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:10,590 from the past that are relevant to what is happening today 1184 01:23:10,620 --> 01:23:16,290 inside the FBI. Inside FBI headquarters in Washington, is 1185 01:23:16,290 --> 01:23:20,040 an archive room filled with hundreds of 1000s of documents. 1186 01:23:20,460 --> 01:23:24,870 In this loan application for the job of Special Agent, it was 1187 01:23:24,870 --> 01:23:30,480 hand written in 1919 by James warmly Jones until now, the then 1188 01:23:30,480 --> 01:23:34,290 35 year old has been a footnote in the Bureau's history or, 1189 01:23:34,590 --> 01:23:38,640 according to the FBI, Jones was employed exclusively in an 1190 01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:42,720 undercover capacity working directly under J. Edgar Hoover. 1191 01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:46,770 More black agents would follow Jones's footsteps into the 1192 01:23:46,770 --> 01:23:49,950 bureau. And they too would work undercover in the black 1193 01:23:49,950 --> 01:23:54,540 community. Hoover would go on to become the longest tenured FBI 1194 01:23:54,540 --> 01:23:58,020 director and targeting influential black Americans 1195 01:23:58,020 --> 01:24:01,770 would become a pattern in the 50s and 60s, Hoover targeted 1196 01:24:01,770 --> 01:24:04,800 Martin Luther King Jr. for extensive surveillance. 1197 01:24:05,130 --> 01:24:11,880 All right, so who is the James warmly Jones of the A das 1198 01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:12,450 movement? 1199 01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:20,730 Well, there isn't one. And the reason why I say that is as with 1200 01:24:20,730 --> 01:24:26,760 anything you have to evolve, right. So just the throwback 1201 01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:31,110 clip, we had to talk about the Civil Rights Movement and the 1202 01:24:31,110 --> 01:24:31,710 media. 1203 01:24:34,710 --> 01:24:38,910 As a story, the Civil Rights Movement had it all. Good versus 1204 01:24:38,910 --> 01:24:43,680 evil, drama, social upheaval. But at first America's major 1205 01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:46,470 media ignored it, especially in the South. 1206 01:24:46,740 --> 01:24:51,990 It was our responsibility to find a way to dramatize the 1207 01:24:51,990 --> 01:24:53,070 issue was 1208 01:24:53,070 --> 01:24:56,250 Congressman John Lewis says that the movements leaders realized 1209 01:24:56,280 --> 01:25:00,630 to bring change they needed to reach white Americans. How did 1210 01:25:00,630 --> 01:25:01,200 you do that? 1211 01:25:01,349 --> 01:25:07,169 As a movement? We literally put our bodies on the line, 1212 01:25:07,440 --> 01:25:09,900 you have influence on the Civil Rights coverage, 1213 01:25:09,929 --> 01:25:14,039 Hank klibanoff co wrote the race beat a book about the media, and 1214 01:25:14,039 --> 01:25:15,329 the movement, or race 1215 01:25:15,330 --> 01:25:19,410 was a big story in the south beginning in the 40s and 50s. 1216 01:25:19,650 --> 01:25:21,180 It's just that no one knew about it. 1217 01:25:21,509 --> 01:25:26,219 Finally, by 1957, major northern newspapers discover the drama 1218 01:25:26,279 --> 01:25:29,429 and the story. How do you feel about integrated passengers that 1219 01:25:29,429 --> 01:25:32,969 television networks followed, even major southern media paid 1220 01:25:32,969 --> 01:25:36,989 attention to the open hatred, you got to keep the white in the 1221 01:25:36,989 --> 01:25:40,679 black set and the violent response to peaceful protest? 1222 01:25:41,009 --> 01:25:45,299 If you're going to beat us, beat us in the light of day, beat us 1223 01:25:45,299 --> 01:25:46,439 by the cameras on 1224 01:25:46,679 --> 01:25:52,049 on gov. This was Selma, Alabama, 1965. Among the bloodied John 1225 01:25:52,049 --> 01:25:52,679 Lewis, 1226 01:25:52,950 --> 01:25:57,750 American people could not stand to see young children. And all 1227 01:25:57,750 --> 01:26:02,070 women been knocked down by fire hoses and chased by police 1228 01:26:02,070 --> 01:26:02,520 stole. 1229 01:26:03,480 --> 01:26:05,910 All right, well, media has certainly evolved since those 1230 01:26:05,910 --> 01:26:08,490 days. So there's many options, I guess. 1231 01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:19,380 The way they attack on black movements now is to let it play 1232 01:26:19,380 --> 01:26:24,150 out through the media. Yeah. As we say, in in the New York Times 1233 01:26:24,150 --> 01:26:29,340 story, you thought no food for one to two. And then 1234 01:26:29,340 --> 01:26:33,510 let's spice away right, right, right. So create, so having more 1235 01:26:33,510 --> 01:26:38,580 groups, throwing the the red meat in this case would be 1236 01:26:38,610 --> 01:26:43,170 mainstream press coverage, letting it all scrap it out, and 1237 01:26:43,710 --> 01:26:47,160 it's cynical man, but it's the way it's going. 1238 01:26:48,570 --> 01:26:51,450 Now, I know there are some skeptics out there, you're like 1239 01:26:51,450 --> 01:27:00,690 Mo, Here you go again, you know, um, but there's a guy named Mr. 1240 01:27:00,690 --> 01:27:06,960 Lowest Lomax. And what Mr. lowest low max was able to do 1241 01:27:07,350 --> 01:27:12,930 was to pit MLK against Malcolm X. on national television. 1242 01:27:13,140 --> 01:27:18,450 It has been suggested also that this movement, preaches a gospel 1243 01:27:18,450 --> 01:27:19,380 of violence. 1244 01:27:19,440 --> 01:27:22,440 No, the black people in this country have been the victims of 1245 01:27:22,440 --> 01:27:26,010 violence at the hands of the white man for 400 years. And 1246 01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:29,610 following the ignorant Negro preachers, we have thought that 1247 01:27:29,610 --> 01:27:32,370 it was God like to turn the other cheek to the group that 1248 01:27:32,370 --> 01:27:35,520 was brutalizing us. And today, the Honorable Elijah Muhammad is 1249 01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:38,400 showing black people in this country that just as the white 1250 01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:41,610 man and every other person on this earth has God given rights, 1251 01:27:41,610 --> 01:27:44,580 natural rights, civil rights, any kind of race that you can 1252 01:27:44,580 --> 01:27:47,250 think of when it comes to defending himself, black people 1253 01:27:47,250 --> 01:27:49,590 should have we should have the right to defend ourselves also. 1254 01:27:49,890 --> 01:27:52,470 And because the Honorable Elijah Muhammad makes black people 1255 01:27:52,470 --> 01:27:55,350 brave enough men enough to defend ourselves no matter what 1256 01:27:55,350 --> 01:27:57,990 the odds are. The white man runs around here with the with the 1257 01:27:57,990 --> 01:28:02,610 doctrine that we are Mr. Mohammed is advocating violence 1258 01:28:02,610 --> 01:28:04,740 when he's actually telling negros to defend themselves 1259 01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:07,410 against violent people. Reverend Martin Luther 1260 01:28:07,410 --> 01:28:15,090 King preaches a doctrine of non violent insistence upon the 1261 01:28:15,090 --> 01:28:18,960 rights of the American Nikko. What is your attitude toward 1262 01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:19,920 philosophy the 1263 01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:23,550 right man pays Reverend Martin Luther King subsidizes Reverend 1264 01:28:23,550 --> 01:28:26,190 Martin Luther King, so that Reverend Martin Luther King can 1265 01:28:26,190 --> 01:28:29,220 continue to teach the Negroes to be defenseless. That's what you 1266 01:28:29,220 --> 01:28:31,860 mean by non violent, be defenseless, be defenseless in 1267 01:28:31,860 --> 01:28:36,000 the face of one of the most cruel beasts that has ever taken 1268 01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:38,190 the people into captivity. That's just American white man, 1269 01:28:38,430 --> 01:28:40,980 and they approved it throughout the country by the police dogs 1270 01:28:40,980 --> 01:28:44,220 in the police clubs. 100 years ago, they used to put on a white 1271 01:28:44,220 --> 01:28:46,950 sheet and use a bloodhound against negro. Today they have 1272 01:28:46,950 --> 01:28:49,770 taken off the white sheet and put on police uniforms. They 1273 01:28:50,010 --> 01:28:53,040 traded in the bloodhounds for police dogs, and they're still 1274 01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:56,040 doing the same thing and just as Uncle time back during slavery 1275 01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:59,070 used to keep the Negroes from resisting the bloodhound or 1276 01:28:59,070 --> 01:29:01,830 resisting the Ku Klux Klan by teaching them to love their 1277 01:29:01,830 --> 01:29:05,070 enemy or pray for those who use them. despitefully today, Martin 1278 01:29:05,070 --> 01:29:07,920 Luther King is just the 20th century on modern uncle time, or 1279 01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:11,070 a religious uncle time, who was doing the same thing today to 1280 01:29:11,070 --> 01:29:14,430 keep negros defenseless in the people protect their Uncle Tom 1281 01:29:14,430 --> 01:29:17,310 did on the plantation to keep those Negroes defenseless in the 1282 01:29:17,310 --> 01:29:19,680 in the face of the attack of the Klan in that day. 1283 01:29:21,870 --> 01:29:23,220 Another interesting guy 1284 01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:26,850 very interesting never heard but for 1285 01:29:26,850 --> 01:29:30,150 of course, this is good. First America first African American 1286 01:29:30,150 --> 01:29:30,870 journalist. 1287 01:29:32,460 --> 01:29:37,380 Yes. So you bring them on television. You tell them a 1288 01:29:37,380 --> 01:29:41,250 question. Well, what do you think about that King Guy? And 1289 01:29:41,250 --> 01:29:44,040 they you sit back and like, you know, 1290 01:29:44,940 --> 01:29:45,660 let it roll. 1291 01:29:46,350 --> 01:29:51,780 Right let it roll. Now. say the same thing I said about the two 1292 01:29:51,780 --> 01:29:55,020 gentlemen and modern day times. They could have had a 1293 01:29:55,020 --> 01:30:00,240 conversation behind the scenes and not through the media. You 1294 01:30:00,270 --> 01:30:03,120 because when you give it to them, as we all know, and if you 1295 01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:07,110 don't know, when you give it to the media, they can clip it and 1296 01:30:07,530 --> 01:30:13,500 edit it and make it seem any way possible. So Mr. Lewis Lomax 1297 01:30:13,500 --> 01:30:17,400 didn't stop there, because he had Mr. qinggong 1298 01:30:17,820 --> 01:30:23,460 Malcolm X. Articulate opponents of the Black Muslim philosophy 1299 01:30:24,570 --> 01:30:29,760 has said of your movement and your philosophy that it plays 1300 01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:34,470 into the hands of the white oppressors that they are happy 1301 01:30:34,470 --> 01:30:38,670 to hear you talk about love for the oppressor, because this 1302 01:30:38,670 --> 01:30:44,670 disarms the Negro and fits into the stereotype of an ego as they 1303 01:30:44,700 --> 01:30:48,870 need turning the other cheek sort of feature, would you care 1304 01:30:48,870 --> 01:30:50,940 to comment on this practice? 1305 01:30:52,650 --> 01:30:59,250 Well, I don't think of love as in this context, as emotional 1306 01:30:59,250 --> 01:31:06,030 Bosch. I don't think of it as a weak but I think of love as 1307 01:31:06,030 --> 01:31:10,740 something strong and that the organize itself and powerful 1308 01:31:11,460 --> 01:31:15,240 direct action. Those as well what I've tried to teach them 1309 01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:19,950 the struggle in the south, but we are not engaged in a 1310 01:31:19,950 --> 01:31:24,960 struggle, it means we sit down and do nothing. That there's a 1311 01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:29,010 great deal of difference between non resistance to evil and 1312 01:31:29,010 --> 01:31:34,380 nonviolent resistance. Non resistance leaves you and leaves 1313 01:31:34,380 --> 01:31:38,280 you in a state of stagnant passivity and Deadman 1314 01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:43,680 complacency when nonviolent resistance means that you do 1315 01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:48,690 resist and have a strong and determined manner. And I think 1316 01:31:48,690 --> 01:31:54,480 some of the criticisms of non violence or some of the critics 1317 01:31:54,810 --> 01:31:59,070 fail to realize that we are talking about something very 1318 01:31:59,070 --> 01:32:04,560 strong and they confuse non resistance with non violence. 1319 01:32:08,250 --> 01:32:13,140 So you saw mr. Lomax bring mount Martin on and say I use what 1320 01:32:13,140 --> 01:32:14,220 King said about you. 1321 01:32:14,250 --> 01:32:16,530 Yeah, he was stirring the pot 1322 01:32:18,090 --> 01:32:22,860 stirring the pot let him sit back. And of course I'm sure 1323 01:32:22,860 --> 01:32:25,140 that these two gentlemen were able to sit down they could have 1324 01:32:26,610 --> 01:32:32,970 came to some resolution but once you have the look at is the 1325 01:32:32,970 --> 01:32:37,530 group of people looking up to these two guys. At the time, 1326 01:32:38,190 --> 01:32:41,340 it's like now you have to choose one side or the other Right. 1327 01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:47,340 which divides the group mate weakens the group? And like I 1328 01:32:47,340 --> 01:32:52,680 said, this is not exclusive to black America. Um, you see in 1329 01:32:52,710 --> 01:33:01,050 every silver war created across the globe the powers that be go 1330 01:33:01,050 --> 01:33:08,910 in and power and arm one sided the current conflict and lamb 1331 01:33:08,910 --> 01:33:12,000 have it out with the other side of the conflict. 1332 01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:18,000 And what's what's new and interestingly, different today, 1333 01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:23,100 of course, is that arming in comes from status on social 1334 01:33:23,100 --> 01:33:27,930 media, reach on social media. Perhaps, you know, there's some 1335 01:33:27,930 --> 01:33:33,480 weaponization going on there with the promotion or or or D 1336 01:33:33,480 --> 01:33:37,230 platforming, God knows. But it's, it's it seems like a 1337 01:33:37,230 --> 01:33:38,430 repetition of history. 1338 01:33:40,530 --> 01:33:47,040 What if the same trick works? Yeah, you just tweak it? I mean, 1339 01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:48,930 you just tweak it a little bit? Um, 1340 01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:52,200 well, how come? How come tone doesn't see this? How come to 1341 01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:56,520 read? Do they not see this or the just too wrapped up in their 1342 01:33:56,520 --> 01:33:57,090 own 1343 01:33:57,270 --> 01:34:06,690 movements? Well, they're human. Yeah. And ego. That's top of the 1344 01:34:06,690 --> 01:34:16,530 list is the flaw of humans. And it gets in the way of actual, 1345 01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:23,970 you know, progress. I'm sure MLK and Malcolm knew better but ego. 1346 01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:31,590 You know, it gets in the way. But what I will want everybody 1347 01:34:31,590 --> 01:34:35,730 to do and the reason why I did this, this reason why I made 1348 01:34:35,730 --> 01:34:39,210 this episode, because I didn't want to add fuel to the fire. 1349 01:34:39,240 --> 01:34:43,470 Right? If we saw my counter intelligence program, or you 1350 01:34:43,470 --> 01:34:47,430 know, you don't want to know what you're getting cast to the 1351 01:34:47,430 --> 01:34:51,570 fire doesn't help you. What I want to do is put a blanket on 1352 01:34:51,570 --> 01:34:56,460 the fire. Let's listen to the elders. Let's listen to Mr. 1353 01:34:56,460 --> 01:35:01,260 Neely fuller. That's why I use these clips. You know, he's he's 1354 01:35:01,260 --> 01:35:07,830 warning us, they're gonna go. I'm just enough food for half of 1355 01:35:07,830 --> 01:35:12,300 us. Let's not fight over it. Right and on the other hand, 1356 01:35:12,330 --> 01:35:18,210 let's listen to Mr. Dr. Claude Anderson. Politics don't benefit 1357 01:35:18,210 --> 01:35:22,470 us. Then what the hell are we doing? 1358 01:35:22,740 --> 01:35:26,280 Politics is a very simple product process that says, I 1359 01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:28,950 will define for you, or who's gonna get the benefits out of 1360 01:35:28,950 --> 01:35:32,820 life is based on a simple premise, a quid pro quo, 1361 01:35:33,150 --> 01:35:35,970 something for something. One hand washes out it, you scratch 1362 01:35:35,970 --> 01:35:39,930 my back, I'll scratch yours. You vote for me. I'll support you 1363 01:35:39,930 --> 01:35:42,690 and do something for you. Black people, the only people that 1364 01:35:42,690 --> 01:35:44,430 have never played politics and 1365 01:35:44,430 --> 01:35:48,480 when is it interesting to print quid pro quo is now this 1366 01:35:48,510 --> 01:35:53,670 incredibly dirty term based on current events with the Trump 1367 01:35:53,670 --> 01:35:59,310 and Ukraine. wares that's exactly what what everyone 1368 01:35:59,310 --> 01:36:02,550 should be asking for in politics. When asked for a vote. 1369 01:36:02,700 --> 01:36:03,720 There's a quid pro 1370 01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:08,700 quo. Isn't it funny to saying tricks now? We're being played? 1371 01:36:09,690 --> 01:36:10,950 No, no, it's 1372 01:36:10,950 --> 01:36:15,390 not funny. It's disheartening. it's disheartening. 1373 01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:20,790 Isn't it? But isn't it weird? Gestures made fun is not the 1374 01:36:20,790 --> 01:36:25,320 right word. That we're seeing the same tactics use here. 1375 01:36:26,730 --> 01:36:31,770 They're trying to get somebody to flip on Trump. Yeah. Is to 1376 01:36:31,770 --> 01:36:34,770 say same thing, divide and conquer. You know, they're 1377 01:36:34,770 --> 01:36:39,030 bringing all these guys in stone and Manafort and all the guys 1378 01:36:39,030 --> 01:36:44,430 like, who's gonna flip? Yeah. And a US bow. He well, he said 1379 01:36:44,430 --> 01:36:46,800 this about Trump. He said that about Trump, when this guy 1380 01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:51,720 leaves when he leaves when he leaves a post are relieved from 1381 01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:54,630 his post, you know, they everything negative said about 1382 01:36:54,630 --> 01:36:57,450 him, you know, it creates a book. So it's the same, I'm 1383 01:36:57,450 --> 01:37:01,740 gonna say it's the same tactics. So were they hoodwinked? 1384 01:37:03,030 --> 01:37:08,250 Yes, you have been hoodwinked, bamboozled, led astray run amok. 1385 01:37:14,490 --> 01:37:18,330 Yeah, so where does that leave you? Mo? I mean, you've been 1386 01:37:18,330 --> 01:37:21,150 very clear that you know, you consider your now the 1387 01:37:21,150 --> 01:37:24,480 terminology you using his native black because a Das has become 1388 01:37:24,480 --> 01:37:30,150 too, too weighted with the with it being a group and a 1389 01:37:30,150 --> 01:37:35,040 definition. I understand that the show is, of course doing 1390 01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:38,220 something about that just by pointing out what's going on. 1391 01:37:39,450 --> 01:37:41,820 But that that must be very disappointing for you to see 1392 01:37:41,820 --> 01:37:42,240 this. 1393 01:37:43,980 --> 01:37:49,710 It was expected? Yes. Yeah. I'm not being cynical. Well, that's, 1394 01:37:49,710 --> 01:37:54,180 of course. And that's why I always made the distinction. A 1395 01:37:54,180 --> 01:38:02,160 Das. Not the group ate us. Because I saw this coming. Have 1396 01:38:02,160 --> 01:38:07,080 it becoming a group when you start seeing chapters form, and 1397 01:38:07,140 --> 01:38:12,660 not to say anything bad about it, but it's just black lives 1398 01:38:12,660 --> 01:38:19,020 does matter. But I don't support the group. Right? If you get one 1399 01:38:19,020 --> 01:38:21,930 wrong, yes. So of course, of course, where it leads me where 1400 01:38:21,930 --> 01:38:24,600 it leads you to answer your question where it leads me at 1401 01:38:25,050 --> 01:38:29,430 its own code. That's where it leads me to where I've always 1402 01:38:29,430 --> 01:38:32,040 been, if it's beneficial to my group of people where I'm all 1403 01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:36,540 I'm all for it. I will tell you this. The Democrats are playing 1404 01:38:36,540 --> 01:38:38,370 a very dangerous game. 1405 01:38:39,420 --> 01:38:42,090 Yeah, could backfire very easily. 1406 01:38:43,050 --> 01:38:46,530 Where we talked about the negative vote, you might 1407 01:38:46,530 --> 01:38:51,570 actually create positive votes in the form of the Trump 1408 01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:57,450 Yes. For the opposition. Exactly. Exactly. So oh, so that 1409 01:38:57,450 --> 01:39:03,060 is interesting. So the situation as is, I'll just call it the 1410 01:39:03,060 --> 01:39:06,390 black vote. And with that, I mean, foundational black native 1411 01:39:06,390 --> 01:39:12,810 black, a DOS, the definition. Being splintered. And perhaps to 1412 01:39:12,810 --> 01:39:15,600 such a degree that everybody throws their hands up in disgust 1413 01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:17,970 and says, You know what, Democrats Screw you, we're gonna 1414 01:39:17,970 --> 01:39:19,110 vote for the other guy. 1415 01:39:21,030 --> 01:39:25,290 There's a real segment of people that could possibly do that, 1416 01:39:25,290 --> 01:39:29,700 because everybody's not blind to what's going on here. And we 1417 01:39:29,700 --> 01:39:34,050 know who funded that New York Times article. Well, who, who 1418 01:39:34,050 --> 01:39:38,310 the inspiration was and who? The Democratic Party 1419 01:39:39,930 --> 01:39:43,440 but I want to nail a name to the to the to the fence, you know, 1420 01:39:43,590 --> 01:39:47,730 it's, it's, it's unbelievable. It's actually it's unAmerican, 1421 01:39:47,730 --> 01:39:50,910 what's happening here? are actually well, no, well, it's 1422 01:39:50,940 --> 01:39:53,940 it's quintessentially American. Actually, if you look at the 1423 01:39:53,940 --> 01:39:57,420 history, because it's what's been done throughout throughout 1424 01:39:57,540 --> 01:39:58,680 throughout the ages. 1425 01:40:00,510 --> 01:40:06,030 Well, I'm reading through this paper, right. And I see no 1426 01:40:06,030 --> 01:40:10,590 mention of 2016 election Hillary Clinton, so I don't think it's 1427 01:40:10,590 --> 01:40:14,790 her right arm because if you're gonna do what you're gonna say, 1428 01:40:14,790 --> 01:40:19,620 you know, knows this kind of thing cost me even saying this 1429 01:40:19,620 --> 01:40:22,590 right election right right right i mean I'm just I'm just 1430 01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:30,900 speaking out of what observation now this thing if I had to put a 1431 01:40:30,900 --> 01:40:33,720 name on it the Obama camp because I said with the timing 1432 01:40:33,720 --> 01:40:44,700 of yeah his pack Deval Patrick. Whoa, yeah. I mean it's like 1433 01:40:44,820 --> 01:40:50,100 Bang, Bang Bang Bang. And here we are. 1434 01:40:50,130 --> 01:40:54,030 So we should take Deval Patrick extremely serious if he has this 1435 01:40:54,030 --> 01:40:56,580 kind of support behind him with this type of coordination. 1436 01:40:56,580 --> 01:41:00,480 Although, I don't know how well it worked in this case. We you 1437 01:41:00,480 --> 01:41:01,380 certainly noticed. 1438 01:41:04,470 --> 01:41:06,660 Were you still gonna have a certain segment of people who 1439 01:41:06,660 --> 01:41:09,270 and what they're trying to do it I think the numbers and don't 1440 01:41:09,270 --> 01:41:13,230 quote me on these numbers, I think it was 67% turnout. 1441 01:41:14,670 --> 01:41:18,690 They're trying to hit that number of 59. It was in 2016 1442 01:41:18,720 --> 01:41:22,770 with the turnout. So you just got to get it over 59. Yeah. So 1443 01:41:22,770 --> 01:41:25,110 what they had to do now is just stop the bleeding because 1444 01:41:25,110 --> 01:41:27,990 they're like, we go on to 50. Now we're not going to win. You 1445 01:41:27,990 --> 01:41:32,010 they factor in you put a black candidate up, sprinkle some 1446 01:41:32,010 --> 01:41:38,040 Obama dust on him. Or you might can get back to about 6364. 1447 01:41:38,040 --> 01:41:38,400 Right. 1448 01:41:38,430 --> 01:41:42,750 All right. Well, that jam. This makes this makes it even more 1449 01:41:42,750 --> 01:41:46,200 interesting. And I have not seen this kind of analysis anywhere. 1450 01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:50,220 Mo congratulations on doing this. And it's complicated in 1451 01:41:50,220 --> 01:41:53,130 this names of learning all these new things people I'd never 1452 01:41:53,130 --> 01:41:55,170 heard of before. Yeah. 1453 01:41:57,060 --> 01:42:00,780 Wow. Well, I guess 1454 01:42:00,810 --> 01:42:03,210 we'll just have to keep our eye on it and see how this 1455 01:42:03,210 --> 01:42:06,930 progresses. Because this is not over, folks. This is not over. 1456 01:42:07,740 --> 01:42:11,970 It's just starting, and we're still waiting on the swoop. So 1457 01:42:11,970 --> 01:42:12,330 well. 1458 01:42:12,960 --> 01:42:15,420 The swoop from Hillary, we'll see if that happens. You know, 1459 01:42:15,420 --> 01:42:18,330 where we have a couple other players, but yes, indeed. 1460 01:42:19,980 --> 01:42:24,150 Maybe she was pre spooked. Could be I mean the time and that and 1461 01:42:24,150 --> 01:42:26,490 that'd be very old babby very O'Barry. 1462 01:42:26,490 --> 01:42:30,360 Obama asked, you're so right, that she was ready to swoop and 1463 01:42:30,360 --> 01:42:32,550 who swoops in? Well, you got Bloomberg. I don't know what 1464 01:42:32,550 --> 01:42:36,540 he's doing. But Deval Patrick came out of left field he's in 1465 01:42:36,540 --> 01:42:40,260 his packaging is almost perfect. And I say almost because the 1466 01:42:40,290 --> 01:42:46,380 venom have an example of it. Man, his voice is is is off. 1467 01:42:47,100 --> 01:42:50,700 He's really not windy. And I think he's a badass though. 1468 01:42:52,320 --> 01:42:55,650 No, he has that going for him that even? Obama did half going 1469 01:42:55,650 --> 01:42:56,550 forward. Right. 1470 01:42:56,580 --> 01:43:00,240 Right. Right. Right. Wow, that could be an interesting that 1471 01:43:00,240 --> 01:43:07,050 could be a swoop on the swoop. Pretty smooth. Fantastic. Oh, 1472 01:43:07,050 --> 01:43:10,980 thank you for for, for pulling all of that apart for us so that 1473 01:43:10,980 --> 01:43:15,750 we could look inside into this COINTELPRO that is clearly 1474 01:43:15,750 --> 01:43:20,280 taking place. Shame on the New York Times. But yeah, go figure 1475 01:43:20,280 --> 01:43:24,900 to what it is. And well, all we can do is hope for some positive 1476 01:43:24,900 --> 01:43:28,020 developments in one way or the other Something is definitely 1477 01:43:28,020 --> 01:43:29,790 going to play out. It always does. 1478 01:43:31,380 --> 01:43:35,640 And as I always say, pay attention to everything and the 1479 01:43:35,640 --> 01:43:36,960 truth will reveal itself 1480 01:43:36,990 --> 01:43:41,070 and we'll be telling you all about it right here on Moe facts 1481 01:43:41,070 --> 01:43:45,090 with Adam curry. Remember we are a value for value podcast. Go to 1482 01:43:45,090 --> 01:43:51,450 mo fund me.com mo e fund me.com and consider supporting The work 1483 01:43:51,480 --> 01:43:55,350 that is clearly being done. And always check back at Mo 1484 01:43:55,350 --> 01:43:59,490 facts.com for a brand new episode, which usually occurs 1485 01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:04,440 every week. Talk to you next Monday. 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