1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,170 For more facts with Adam curry for October 21 2019. This is 2 00:00:10,170 --> 00:00:14,580 episode number 12. And this morning, something strange 3 00:00:14,580 --> 00:00:21,480 happened at 7:31am I got a text message from my partner in 4 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:25,770 crime, who said, Hey, man, let's talk about the title today what 5 00:00:25,770 --> 00:00:29,550 we're going to be doing. Good morning, Moe. How are you? 6 00:00:29,580 --> 00:00:33,240 Hi. How you doing, sir? I'm doing I'm doing well. Yeah, so I 7 00:00:33,270 --> 00:00:33,690 really 8 00:00:33,690 --> 00:00:35,910 appreciate your call. He said, Okay, man, we're going for the 9 00:00:35,910 --> 00:00:38,340 mother lode. This is the big one. Just want to let you know, 10 00:00:38,340 --> 00:00:40,170 I don't want you to be blindsided now. 11 00:00:41,070 --> 00:00:44,040 So go for the big one here. Yes, 12 00:00:44,220 --> 00:00:45,330 the big one is, 13 00:00:46,260 --> 00:00:53,310 is white privilege. Nice, white, white guilt, white supremacy. 14 00:00:55,110 --> 00:00:57,150 It's the trifecta. Very nice. Yes. 15 00:00:57,300 --> 00:00:59,760 You can't discuss one without the other. That's right. That's 16 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:00,120 right. 17 00:01:01,170 --> 00:01:04,560 This is something that I've been very interested in. I've, I've 18 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:09,450 posited my own theories about not so much about the origin of 19 00:01:09,450 --> 00:01:13,590 white guilt. But what white guilt has done to wokeness. Or 20 00:01:13,620 --> 00:01:17,580 perhaps I would say, created wokeness. And it's very 21 00:01:17,580 --> 00:01:21,030 interesting to me, man, I am excited to hear what you've got 22 00:01:21,030 --> 00:01:21,780 to roll out for 23 00:01:21,780 --> 00:01:26,460 us. So this this start, oh, we got a lot of clips today. So I 24 00:01:26,460 --> 00:01:32,070 want to jump right in. So this started with a DM you sent me 25 00:01:32,070 --> 00:01:36,300 from a New York Times article talking about the effects of 26 00:01:36,300 --> 00:01:40,710 white guilt on the 2020 election. So I was gonna do this 27 00:01:40,740 --> 00:01:43,920 last week. But the NBA and China, 28 00:01:44,369 --> 00:01:46,799 it was it was it had to go we had to get it on then. And by 29 00:01:46,799 --> 00:01:51,899 the way, we finished that show. Just before LeBron James came 30 00:01:51,899 --> 00:01:55,349 out with his whole like, well, you know, who could have hurt 31 00:01:55,349 --> 00:01:59,219 someone financially. So that was we didn't get it in that show. 32 00:01:59,219 --> 00:02:00,899 But it was interesting how it unfolded. 33 00:02:01,889 --> 00:02:06,269 It was very interesting. Hi unfolded. And one thing I didn't 34 00:02:06,269 --> 00:02:13,829 notice that came up was shut up in dribble white supremacy or 35 00:02:13,829 --> 00:02:20,159 any other kowtow into the powers that be know exactly. That goes 36 00:02:20,159 --> 00:02:23,309 to show you people pick and choose when they want to use 37 00:02:23,309 --> 00:02:26,759 these terms. So what we're going to talk about today is white 38 00:02:26,759 --> 00:02:30,929 guilt. And to talk about white guilt, we have to go back, we 39 00:02:30,929 --> 00:02:36,029 always have to go back to the root of these things. So I found 40 00:02:36,029 --> 00:02:40,499 it on the root of white guilt. Is White supremacy. For the 41 00:02:40,499 --> 00:02:53,309 people that don't know. found it interesting. It was a well, you 42 00:02:53,309 --> 00:02:59,429 want to call it a speaking engagement by Mr. Shelby Steele. 43 00:02:59,819 --> 00:03:02,189 Are you familiar with Mr. Shall we still sir? No, 44 00:03:02,220 --> 00:03:04,290 I don't think so. Alright, so 45 00:03:04,410 --> 00:03:08,010 shall we still he's, he's the conservative, I have to say 46 00:03:08,010 --> 00:03:12,870 that. He's the author and senior fellow at Stanford University. 47 00:03:13,170 --> 00:03:16,650 And he wrote the book on white guilt, the actual book on white 48 00:03:16,650 --> 00:03:16,950 guilt, 49 00:03:16,980 --> 00:03:21,030 and what is the book called white guilt? Yes. Okay. All 50 00:03:21,030 --> 00:03:21,450 right. 51 00:03:22,230 --> 00:03:26,220 So he was given a speech and not this, the speech that he gave, 52 00:03:26,250 --> 00:03:29,520 or speaking against a speaking engagement that he gave is going 53 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,210 to be the backdrop of this whole show. So we're gonna go in and 54 00:03:33,210 --> 00:03:35,520 out of that speaking engagement, and then have supplemental 55 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,310 clips. Okay. So what he's saying what he's saying the 56 00:03:38,550 --> 00:03:41,580 the title of the book is white guilt, how blacks and whites 57 00:03:41,580 --> 00:03:46,410 together destroyed the pomp promise of the civil era. Yes. 58 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:47,610 Okay. Got it. 59 00:03:48,450 --> 00:03:52,830 So I guess we'll jump right in with white supremacy. One 60 00:03:53,190 --> 00:03:59,820 is begins it seems to me in a phenomenon that, I think at any 61 00:03:59,820 --> 00:04:03,720 rate is one of the most important important events 62 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:10,410 certainly in in late 20th century history. I think, even 63 00:04:10,410 --> 00:04:15,960 more important than the collapse of communism. That happened in 64 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:20,220 the 80s. And that is the collapse or the de 65 00:04:20,220 --> 00:04:25,410 legitimization to use the long awkward word of white supremacy. 66 00:04:27,420 --> 00:04:30,780 And it's, it has seemed it's interesting to me that this this 67 00:04:30,780 --> 00:04:35,610 phenomenon has gone unremarked on commented on in many ways. 68 00:04:36,420 --> 00:04:43,080 But white supremacy was an enormously important force idea 69 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:48,480 in the world for centuries and organized the entire globe and 70 00:04:49,170 --> 00:04:53,790 an extended the nation state system from one end of the world 71 00:04:53,850 --> 00:04:57,900 to the other so it's it's mark will will never leave the world. 72 00:04:58,380 --> 00:05:01,890 And it gave a cohere Hear us to the world. 73 00:05:03,060 --> 00:05:05,340 All right, I love it history lesson. 74 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:11,070 Yes. So he's speaking about how white supremacy supposedly he's 75 00:05:11,070 --> 00:05:15,030 a believer. Let me clarify, he's a believer that white supremacy 76 00:05:15,060 --> 00:05:19,080 ended, are basically went underground and had no power 77 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:24,270 after the Civil Rights Movement, which is my personal belief. I 78 00:05:24,270 --> 00:05:28,950 don't think that's to be so I am not a white supremacy denier. 79 00:05:28,950 --> 00:05:35,400 But I want to, in this show, clearly, clearly define what I 80 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,790 believe is to be white supremacy. And the reason why 81 00:05:38,820 --> 00:05:42,570 that is important to white guilt is, let me explain the relation 82 00:05:42,570 --> 00:05:44,580 between the three things that we laid out, we have white 83 00:05:44,580 --> 00:05:49,770 supremacy, white privilege, and then white guilt. The way they 84 00:05:49,770 --> 00:05:57,030 are related is that if there is a system of white supremacy 85 00:05:57,030 --> 00:06:02,670 desist, if you appear to be quote unquote, white, then you 86 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:09,960 unknowingly, or normally receive privileges from being a camp to 87 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:14,940 that system. Right. And also from being a camp to that 88 00:06:14,940 --> 00:06:19,050 system, and receiving those privileges. Some people are made 89 00:06:19,050 --> 00:06:22,890 to feel guilty of that. So that's the relation between the 90 00:06:22,890 --> 00:06:23,220 three 91 00:06:23,310 --> 00:06:29,580 and that sounds about right. And it was, for me, it was I'm gonna 92 00:06:29,580 --> 00:06:35,130 say about four years ago, my now wife, then, girlfriend at the 93 00:06:35,130 --> 00:06:40,230 time, Tina, we had a dinner at here in Austin with some people 94 00:06:40,230 --> 00:06:43,050 I affectionately called the Obama bots. And they knew that 95 00:06:43,050 --> 00:06:45,960 and, you know, we discussed pretty much politics and 96 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,660 everything like that specifically. So I would have 97 00:06:48,900 --> 00:06:52,770 content for the no agenda Show podcast, so it was okay with 98 00:06:52,770 --> 00:06:56,610 them. But at this one particular dinner, there was a professor 99 00:06:56,610 --> 00:07:00,480 from UT Austin Pennebaker, I'm actually a big fan of what he's 100 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:05,220 done with performative, he wrote a book about, well, you should 101 00:07:05,220 --> 00:07:08,940 look it up performative. Then Professor Pennebaker and his 102 00:07:08,940 --> 00:07:12,540 wife were both there. And at a certain point, he said, Excuse 103 00:07:12,540 --> 00:07:15,330 me, you've got white privilege, you know that right? And no one 104 00:07:15,330 --> 00:07:17,580 had ever said that, to me, I'd never really even heard the 105 00:07:17,580 --> 00:07:24,000 term. And I was offended by him saying that, that now since that 106 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,810 time, of course, you know, a lot has happened. I've kept my eyes 107 00:07:27,810 --> 00:07:31,890 and my ears open. But I do remember the initial, the 108 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,730 initial accusation to me was triggering. And that's just a 109 00:07:35,730 --> 00:07:37,170 little bit of history what I have. 110 00:07:38,580 --> 00:07:42,870 And I can see why that would be triggering. The term white 111 00:07:42,870 --> 00:07:47,820 privilege didn't really circulate in the black 112 00:07:47,820 --> 00:07:52,200 community. That term now the understanding that 113 00:07:52,260 --> 00:07:55,050 according to Wikimedia, according to Wikipedia, it 114 00:07:55,050 --> 00:07:57,960 didn't really start until black lives matter. Now. That's wiki 115 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,450 pedia. So take that with what you want. But I 116 00:08:01,020 --> 00:08:04,080 believe that's when even if it existed, it may exist in the 117 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:09,180 academic, academic realm, where in everyday life, you know, a 118 00:08:09,180 --> 00:08:13,320 minute, that seems like white privilege, you know, what black 119 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:14,100 guy talks like that? 120 00:08:15,660 --> 00:08:21,570 We know, we know. For instance, I'll give you a great example of 121 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:26,250 what white privilege would be. One guy gets hot water outside 122 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:30,210 crack, and he gets 20 years and another guy gets caught with an 123 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,150 ounce of coke. And he gets a slap on the wrist. 124 00:08:33,180 --> 00:08:40,440 Yeah, this is a very clear case of I mean, the whole thing was 125 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,800 messed up. And that's mainly the crack epidemic in Los Angeles. 126 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,710 And the elites who decided that there was a difference between 127 00:08:46,710 --> 00:08:49,620 crack you know, as Whitney Houston would say, crack is 128 00:08:49,620 --> 00:08:55,020 wack. And by the classy cocaine, so it was a classist thing in a 129 00:08:55,020 --> 00:09:02,670 way and a price point thing, but of course, it was. It was a it 130 00:09:02,670 --> 00:09:05,220 screwed over black people in Los Angeles who are addicted to 131 00:09:05,220 --> 00:09:06,540 crack for sure. 132 00:09:07,230 --> 00:09:12,360 Yes, and we see how another drug epidemic, the opioid epidemic 133 00:09:12,390 --> 00:09:17,550 has been handled. It's a white, white problem. So we can't say 134 00:09:17,550 --> 00:09:21,150 these things don't exist. But let's not get too far ahead of 135 00:09:21,150 --> 00:09:26,220 ourselves. Because what we need to do is one identify if we have 136 00:09:26,220 --> 00:09:32,880 to what I plan to do with this whole show, our episode is to 137 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:38,790 one identify accurately identify and define what white supremacy 138 00:09:38,790 --> 00:09:43,830 is right now. Because then if people understand what that is, 139 00:09:43,830 --> 00:09:48,660 then they'll understand what the white privileges are or what a 140 00:09:48,690 --> 00:09:52,890 white privilege appears to be. And then how people bastardize 141 00:09:52,890 --> 00:09:58,020 these terms and accurately on personal gain and or to trigger 142 00:09:58,020 --> 00:09:58,710 other people 143 00:09:59,190 --> 00:10:01,920 and I would want to ask up front, maybe this is coming 144 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:07,110 later down the road. White supremacy is also often inter 145 00:10:07,170 --> 00:10:12,720 intertwined with the term institutional racism? Are these 146 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:16,170 the same things? Is it the same? Or we will just would just 147 00:10:16,170 --> 00:10:19,110 Should I just sit back and relax and we'll find out what? Well, 148 00:10:19,110 --> 00:10:19,290 let's 149 00:10:19,290 --> 00:10:22,710 go through these next set of clips. And then we'll, we will 150 00:10:22,740 --> 00:10:25,800 clearly identify what white supremacy is, by the end of 151 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,950 next, like three or four clips, let's get into Shelby Steele, 152 00:10:28,950 --> 00:10:29,970 white supremacy to 153 00:10:30,089 --> 00:10:32,849 the important thing, I think to understand about white 154 00:10:32,849 --> 00:10:38,519 supremacy, is not whether or not it really is an argument for the 155 00:10:38,519 --> 00:10:42,239 supremacy of whites or the inferiority of other races. But 156 00:10:42,239 --> 00:10:45,359 what was important about it was the idea that whiteness 157 00:10:45,839 --> 00:10:53,609 constituted in and of itself, moral authority. And so that if 158 00:10:53,609 --> 00:10:58,619 a black man in Africa met a white man on a path somewhere, 159 00:10:58,619 --> 00:11:02,279 and there were no there was no one around within 50 miles, the 160 00:11:02,279 --> 00:11:06,569 black man would have to carry the white man's bags, because 161 00:11:06,569 --> 00:11:12,629 whiteness was authority. And, and thus it was in those it was 162 00:11:12,629 --> 00:11:16,679 power. And so whites then could, could very given given that 163 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:21,509 authority could very reasonably go around the world and take 164 00:11:21,539 --> 00:11:26,999 over whatever territories they they desired and to take 165 00:11:26,999 --> 00:11:31,349 whatever resources they desired. And to then sort of corral the 166 00:11:31,349 --> 00:11:38,789 people into some sort of servitude if it's so suited them 167 00:11:39,599 --> 00:11:44,399 well, so you see, it was a really powerful, enormously 168 00:11:44,429 --> 00:11:51,989 powerful idea that made gave a certain meaning to life 169 00:11:52,020 --> 00:11:56,880 in the world. Right? This is the times of colonialism I presume. 170 00:11:58,350 --> 00:12:01,590 This is from colonialism all the way up to the Civil Rights is 171 00:12:01,590 --> 00:12:04,860 what he's speaking of. Now, where me and Mr. Shelby Steele 172 00:12:04,860 --> 00:12:10,440 part ways is he believes that white supremacy no longer 173 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:15,510 exists. Or like I say, it has become so cleanse debt 174 00:12:15,510 --> 00:12:20,190 clandestine that it doesn't really have any power. That's 175 00:12:20,190 --> 00:12:24,180 where I disagree with him. So now we're going to get into some 176 00:12:24,180 --> 00:12:28,560 some clips from Mr. Neely Fuller, Mr. Neely fuller. Let me 177 00:12:28,560 --> 00:12:33,960 give you some background on him. He's well highly touted Mr. 178 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:39,210 Neely fuller Jr. His full name he was born in October 6 1929. 179 00:12:39,540 --> 00:12:45,000 So just to give you a from his age perspective, he served in 180 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,660 two branches of the armed forces. He served in the Army in 181 00:12:48,660 --> 00:12:56,460 the Korean War conflict. Um so he, he took part in the American 182 00:12:57,690 --> 00:13:03,570 dream. He took part in you know, in fighting wars for America. So 183 00:13:03,570 --> 00:13:09,540 I think that gives him certain validity to his statements. 184 00:13:10,050 --> 00:13:14,550 Because he could speak he could speak from probably accurately 185 00:13:14,550 --> 00:13:18,030 from all angles on this topic. And when I'm when I bring people 186 00:13:19,140 --> 00:13:22,350 like Mr. Shelby Steele to the table or Mr. Neely fuller says 187 00:13:22,350 --> 00:13:25,620 table, it's just on that particular topic. They speak 188 00:13:25,620 --> 00:13:34,620 home. So myself, I believe Neely Fuller, accurately defines 189 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,560 racism, racism and white supremacy. 190 00:13:38,310 --> 00:13:41,490 Well, there's we are on our system of white supremacy. 191 00:13:41,490 --> 00:13:45,060 That's the most powerful government that the world has 192 00:13:45,060 --> 00:13:48,180 ever seen. And that's the title of it. By the way, it doesn't go 193 00:13:48,180 --> 00:13:51,810 by now the title even though we sometimes call it by other 194 00:13:51,810 --> 00:13:55,230 titles, but the accurate title for the government that we are 195 00:13:55,230 --> 00:14:01,170 under is in the capital letters, the system of white supremacy 196 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:05,730 worldwide. It's just one world government. And that's the only 197 00:14:05,730 --> 00:14:09,390 government in town knowing the government on the planet that 198 00:14:09,390 --> 00:14:13,470 really counts. That is worthy of having a title of government. 199 00:14:14,670 --> 00:14:15,720 Whoa, okay, hold 200 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:21,300 on. While while he was saying this is the One World Government 201 00:14:21,300 --> 00:14:24,030 which is a very globalist term familiar without of course New 202 00:14:24,030 --> 00:14:31,380 World Order. I looked up the definition of supremacy and it's 203 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:35,550 a while this Ascendance domination, Dominion hegemony, 204 00:14:36,150 --> 00:14:40,410 Imperium examples of supremacy in a sentence the Roman Empire 205 00:14:40,410 --> 00:14:45,120 had supremacy over the entire Mediterranean world. Yes, yes. 206 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:49,830 Yes. Yes. It seems he worried there he were there am higher 207 00:14:49,860 --> 00:14:53,160 than empire. Yes, sir. Okay, great. Oh, man. I love the 208 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:53,910 dictionary. 209 00:14:55,170 --> 00:15:00,000 So I think this is why me and you Adam could have these 210 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,890 Conversations, because we're coming and identifying the same 211 00:15:04,890 --> 00:15:09,660 thing by different terms. Even Mr. Fuller even identify, so you 212 00:15:09,660 --> 00:15:13,470 can call it different names. I think you call it a elitism or 213 00:15:13,470 --> 00:15:18,690 the elites. But there is a governing system in this world. 214 00:15:22,290 --> 00:15:25,710 And a one world government is trying to trick being trying to 215 00:15:25,710 --> 00:15:27,450 be pushed. Yes, and 216 00:15:28,319 --> 00:15:31,319 this is a frequent topic for us on this show. It's a frequent, 217 00:15:31,499 --> 00:15:35,039 you're right, it is why we have always been able to communicate 218 00:15:35,189 --> 00:15:38,249 completely at the same level, because we hold the same beliefs 219 00:15:38,249 --> 00:15:40,949 of, of this type of shenanigans going on. 220 00:15:41,939 --> 00:15:45,869 And that's why when I first became an NA listener, I 221 00:15:45,869 --> 00:15:49,109 understood exactly what you guys were saying, even though you 222 00:15:49,109 --> 00:15:54,329 were calling this system by a different name. So let's go on 223 00:15:54,329 --> 00:15:58,529 and let Neely fuller. Define the system, even more 224 00:15:58,740 --> 00:16:04,530 people who believe in dominating and mistreating people based on 225 00:16:04,530 --> 00:16:10,500 color, in the form of what we call racism, or white supremacy. 226 00:16:11,460 --> 00:16:16,890 Those people collectively, are the dominant force in all nine 227 00:16:16,890 --> 00:16:22,770 areas of activity on this planet that we call are in every area 228 00:16:22,770 --> 00:16:30,270 of activity, 24/7 economics, education, entertainment, labor, 229 00:16:30,660 --> 00:16:37,620 law, politics, religion, sex, and war. And they believe in 230 00:16:37,620 --> 00:16:41,820 dominating and mistreating people based on color. They are 231 00:16:41,820 --> 00:16:46,380 the smartest and most powerful men and women on the planet. 232 00:16:46,980 --> 00:16:49,410 Unfortunately, that's the way it is. 233 00:16:49,830 --> 00:16:55,590 Where's the list? Give me the list of these people that have 234 00:16:55,620 --> 00:16:56,430 the least 235 00:16:56,850 --> 00:16:59,880 he said, it's these dominant men and women give me the list right 236 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:02,010 away. I want to know who it is. Because that's what I've been 237 00:17:02,010 --> 00:17:04,320 looking for, for at least 30 years. 238 00:17:05,579 --> 00:17:09,269 Well, we know who it is, and we don't know who it is. We have no 239 00:17:09,269 --> 00:17:13,829 idea who it is. I mean, we point to almost every show. It's this. 240 00:17:13,859 --> 00:17:18,479 It's the Soros is of the world. And even the level above him. I 241 00:17:18,479 --> 00:17:26,429 think we use Soros as a icon of a way of thinking, 242 00:17:26,460 --> 00:17:29,130 yeah, representation. Sure. Absolutely. Right. 243 00:17:29,310 --> 00:17:33,330 Right. So we use him as a to point to like, this is how they 244 00:17:33,330 --> 00:17:39,780 work. This is how they operate. But you don't have to be in 245 00:17:39,780 --> 00:17:42,900 this. This is where we get into race and color and these things. 246 00:17:43,170 --> 00:17:50,100 You don't have to be white, to operate and be a agent of white 247 00:17:50,100 --> 00:17:54,030 supremacy. The reason why I say this is Barack Obama was an 248 00:17:54,060 --> 00:17:58,920 agent of white supremacy. Yep. He pushed the agenda of 249 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:03,150 globalism. When you go to the UN, you see many faces of 250 00:18:03,150 --> 00:18:06,480 different colors. But they're pushing they received their 251 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:11,250 power from this power structure. And they they do the bidding of 252 00:18:11,250 --> 00:18:15,660 that power structure. And I think those people are even more 253 00:18:15,660 --> 00:18:21,900 beneficial when they don't look like your typical iconic, for 254 00:18:21,900 --> 00:18:24,180 lack of better word white supremacist, and I know we're 255 00:18:24,180 --> 00:18:28,770 using that word a lot. But for the people that get triggered by 256 00:18:28,770 --> 00:18:30,690 that we have something for Adam. 257 00:18:31,350 --> 00:18:41,460 Oh, yes. If you got something we got? We got. But if I get 258 00:18:41,460 --> 00:18:45,030 triggered, then I hit this one. What more do you want from me? 259 00:18:46,470 --> 00:18:48,990 What what's what's what's interesting? What's interesting 260 00:18:48,990 --> 00:18:54,690 is that now I lost my train. Alright, go continue. Well, I'll 261 00:18:54,690 --> 00:18:55,680 come back to as good 262 00:18:56,010 --> 00:19:01,380 now. So just the system, like I said, it's a system, if you want 263 00:19:01,380 --> 00:19:05,100 to call it elite, if you want to call it the Illuminati, if you 264 00:19:05,100 --> 00:19:09,000 want to call I mean, it's a elite. And we have to be honest, 265 00:19:09,330 --> 00:19:15,960 as you go up this pyramid, pun intended. The appearance is 266 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:20,970 start to look the same. Now to do a one to one correlation to 267 00:19:20,970 --> 00:19:24,120 say all everybody that looks like that benefits from this 268 00:19:24,120 --> 00:19:30,150 system. I think that's pretty inaccurate. They can move 269 00:19:30,210 --> 00:19:33,210 inconspicuously in the system, but I don't think they benefit 270 00:19:33,210 --> 00:19:36,090 from it. The reason why I say that is and this will always say 271 00:19:36,090 --> 00:19:40,560 why American slavery was different from any other 272 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:46,470 slavery, probably in the world or in history. Even if I bought 273 00:19:46,470 --> 00:19:51,660 my freedom in American slavery, I will always be identified as a 274 00:19:51,660 --> 00:19:57,150 slave by my appearance. Whereas throughout history, my enslaved 275 00:19:57,150 --> 00:20:02,280 my the people that slave me, will look like Let me do two, we 276 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:06,360 were, you know, geographically close or, you know, are just 277 00:20:06,360 --> 00:20:12,090 different tribes or different clans or countries. So I think 278 00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:19,410 that's the difference. Why color and race factor into this form 279 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,020 of empire? 280 00:20:22,470 --> 00:20:25,440 Right. Whereas I think I've always made it clear that we're 281 00:20:25,470 --> 00:20:28,590 all really slaves of Gitmo nation. And I think that's kind 282 00:20:28,590 --> 00:20:31,650 of what I mean by there's a system up there, and you know, 283 00:20:31,650 --> 00:20:35,430 we're all and we all have to adhere to it, or we're expected 284 00:20:35,430 --> 00:20:37,560 to adhere to it, regardless of color. 285 00:20:38,490 --> 00:20:43,200 What's the Comenius? 90 says? It's the club a when, when 286 00:20:43,230 --> 00:20:44,190 George Carlin 287 00:20:44,220 --> 00:20:47,520 had to be a band, you ain't in it? Right? 288 00:20:48,360 --> 00:20:53,130 Very few of us are in it. So let's get let's finish out with 289 00:20:53,130 --> 00:20:58,650 Mr. Neely fuller as if coop? Oh, let me say this. So we, I think 290 00:20:58,650 --> 00:21:02,940 he's accurately identified what this system is. And I think me 291 00:21:02,940 --> 00:21:08,220 and you agree that there is a governing body over the world 292 00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:12,960 that may call the shots. Now, we might call it different names. 293 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:17,280 But I think we're identifying the same ruling class. 294 00:21:17,490 --> 00:21:24,150 Absolutely. So Mr. Neely Fuller, is gonna lay out how you fix 295 00:21:24,150 --> 00:21:24,900 that problem. 296 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:29,850 Now, that's a problem. It's a huge problem, because nobody on 297 00:21:29,850 --> 00:21:33,150 the planet should be dominated and mistreated based on 298 00:21:33,150 --> 00:21:37,800 anything, whether it's coal or anything else. But that's what 299 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,710 this alone is a system that we have on the planet, we don't 300 00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:46,080 have any other system. There are no other systems, none. Zilch. 301 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:52,470 So, the question is, what would you please replace that system 302 00:21:52,470 --> 00:21:57,330 with? Logically speaking, since it is a system of non justice, 303 00:21:57,750 --> 00:22:02,040 you replace it with a system of justice, which means what? Two 304 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:06,030 elements according to what I have written anyway, and that is 305 00:22:06,900 --> 00:22:10,950 guarantee end, no person is mistreated. And guaranteeing 306 00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:13,530 that the person that needs help the most gets the most 307 00:22:13,530 --> 00:22:17,550 constructive help. Now, that's what you go to the table with 308 00:22:18,150 --> 00:22:21,570 each and every day each and every time, wherever you are on 309 00:22:21,570 --> 00:22:24,660 the planet. That that's the kind of plan that you want. 310 00:22:27,870 --> 00:22:33,630 Okay, so we've seen this word pop up. Justice. Yes, this is a 311 00:22:33,630 --> 00:22:39,660 favorite word of left. In the United States. Certainly the 312 00:22:39,660 --> 00:22:42,960 Democrats always talk about justice, this justice that 313 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,230 whereas the right or the Republicans always talk about 314 00:22:46,230 --> 00:22:47,790 liberty, and freedom, and 315 00:22:49,470 --> 00:22:54,150 justice is a big now you can Yes, now you can see why how 316 00:22:54,150 --> 00:22:58,320 it's being hijacked. Right? Because at the real root of the 317 00:22:58,350 --> 00:23:02,190 problem, and this goes back to two shows ago, when we talked 318 00:23:02,190 --> 00:23:09,900 about the the cop shooting case, yep. All everyone wanted was 319 00:23:09,900 --> 00:23:15,450 justice, or what they perceived to be justice. And when that 320 00:23:15,450 --> 00:23:21,330 doesn't happen, it only in flames, that the system exists 321 00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:25,620 or appears to exist. Now, we dug deeper and understood the 322 00:23:25,620 --> 00:23:29,370 interacting so that the case, but on the outer surface, yeah. 323 00:23:30,180 --> 00:23:33,750 Yeah, absolutely. Yes. Go I'm sorry. Yeah, social justice. 324 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,500 Well, this is where social justice warriors come from, of 325 00:23:37,500 --> 00:23:39,000 course. Yes. Makes sense. 326 00:23:39,870 --> 00:23:46,470 Yeah, so Dude, we've heard we hear people talk about this all 327 00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:52,470 the time. And we heard in recent news, even a political candidate 328 00:23:52,500 --> 00:23:57,300 of the 2020 election talk about this one being Mrs. Tulsi 329 00:23:57,990 --> 00:24:05,160 Gabbard. Gabbard, excuse me, the regime change wars. What is 330 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:10,650 that? When you go in to change the way a country is running 331 00:24:10,650 --> 00:24:17,880 itself, just off of the benefits to economics, that is an example 332 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:18,810 of this system. 333 00:24:19,199 --> 00:24:22,019 Oh, yes. And no, by and this goes back, you know, a long 334 00:24:22,019 --> 00:24:24,809 time. But I would start for the US just in recent memory, the 335 00:24:24,809 --> 00:24:27,869 Vietnam War, you know, so what's the commies? Oh, man, we can't 336 00:24:27,869 --> 00:24:30,929 have the communist coming. Any closer to our interests in the 337 00:24:30,929 --> 00:24:34,349 Middle East as well, I think is generally accepted by the 338 00:24:34,349 --> 00:24:37,529 population now that oh, well, that was just about oil or 339 00:24:37,529 --> 00:24:41,549 something. But in in essence, it was it's much bigger. And going 340 00:24:41,549 --> 00:24:45,509 back to the Paris 1912 agreement and how the Middle East was 341 00:24:45,509 --> 00:24:49,349 divided up that was done by the white privilege system. Isn't 342 00:24:49,349 --> 00:24:51,599 there's no doubt about it. No one can argue that. 343 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:57,930 So this is where, like I said before, Shelby Steele, he says 344 00:24:57,930 --> 00:25:01,560 that the system of white supremacy no longer is This war, 345 00:25:01,590 --> 00:25:10,440 I think is I think that it shifted. It became not by force 346 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:17,340 or by intimidation. It became economic. As we've all read in 347 00:25:17,340 --> 00:25:20,340 the book, whoever read the book, the economic hitman, John 348 00:25:20,340 --> 00:25:25,530 Perkins, one of my favorite books, yes, they infiltrate the 349 00:25:25,530 --> 00:25:30,030 country's. They leverage the people in charge. And then the 350 00:25:30,030 --> 00:25:33,300 people in charge basically becomes puppets of the systems 351 00:25:33,570 --> 00:25:38,070 of the system. So we have a clip from the economic hitman 352 00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:38,640 himself. 353 00:25:39,629 --> 00:25:43,649 It is catching up with John Perkins economist, activist and 354 00:25:43,679 --> 00:25:47,039 author, one of his best selling books, Confessions of an 355 00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:50,339 economic hitman has been translated into over 30 356 00:25:50,429 --> 00:25:53,549 languages, it is an insider's account of the alleged 357 00:25:53,549 --> 00:25:56,939 exploitation of third world countries by the American 358 00:25:56,939 --> 00:25:59,969 government. Sir, thank you very much for sitting down with us. 359 00:26:00,179 --> 00:26:03,119 You have been an economic hitman for about 10 years. What 360 00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:07,440 exactly does that job entail? We economic hitmen have created the 361 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,130 world's first truly global empire? And is the first empire 362 00:26:11,130 --> 00:26:14,130 in history that's been created primarily without the military 363 00:26:14,250 --> 00:26:15,270 through economics? 364 00:26:16,110 --> 00:26:19,710 Yes, this is he worked for Bechtel Corporation, very 365 00:26:19,710 --> 00:26:24,000 similar, or even KBR. These are the Kellogg, brown and root. 366 00:26:24,030 --> 00:26:28,260 These are the companies that with or without war, go into 367 00:26:28,290 --> 00:26:32,010 other countries, either take stuff, buy stuff, bring in 368 00:26:32,970 --> 00:26:38,070 Western companies to rebuild the rubble that has been created and 369 00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:41,670 take over. And he also speaks of the jackals who they will send 370 00:26:41,670 --> 00:26:46,170 in when people in these other countries resist to the regime 371 00:26:46,170 --> 00:26:46,770 change. 372 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:55,590 So you have a list of countries that were planned to be 373 00:26:55,620 --> 00:26:59,400 destabilize in Roblox is the word you like to use? 374 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:05,130 Yes, I call it I call it the West Clark seven. And I have the 375 00:27:05,130 --> 00:27:07,050 clip, if you want me to play that I don't. 376 00:27:08,190 --> 00:27:11,010 Because you do that as a background just to show how we 377 00:27:11,070 --> 00:27:16,380 identify Not we, but how the Empire identifies countries they 378 00:27:16,380 --> 00:27:18,810 need to take over and then they come up with a reason how to do 379 00:27:18,810 --> 00:27:18,960 it. 380 00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:24,000 Yeah. So let me just make sure I get the right one here. General 381 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:30,690 Wesley Clark, two weeks after 911 was called, I think, into 382 00:27:30,690 --> 00:27:35,370 the Pentagon. And it was there that he was handed a note that 383 00:27:35,370 --> 00:27:40,380 talked about the countries we were going to go after, because 384 00:27:40,380 --> 00:27:47,280 of this 911 disaster. And he was kind enough to actually tell us, 385 00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:51,780 so I came back to see him a few weeks later. And by that time, 386 00:27:51,780 --> 00:27:54,120 we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, Are we still going to 387 00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:57,210 war with Iraq? And he said, Oh, what's worse than that? He said, 388 00:27:57,360 --> 00:27:59,670 He reached over on his desk, he picked up a piece of paper. He 389 00:27:59,670 --> 00:28:03,150 said, I just he said I just got this down from upstairs mean, 390 00:28:03,150 --> 00:28:06,030 circulated Vince's office today. And he said this a memo that 391 00:28:06,030 --> 00:28:10,350 describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five 392 00:28:10,350 --> 00:28:14,460 years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, 393 00:28:14,460 --> 00:28:17,190 Somalia, Sudan, and finishing off Iran. 394 00:28:17,550 --> 00:28:21,750 And I've kept track of this list. And just recently, in 395 00:28:21,750 --> 00:28:24,150 fact, we talked about it yesterday on the no agenda show. 396 00:28:24,330 --> 00:28:26,970 It looks like Lebanon may be on deck, we've got pretty much 397 00:28:26,970 --> 00:28:32,190 every other country. If not that we've gone in there. We've We've 398 00:28:32,190 --> 00:28:34,500 got them in our sights. And that's obvious. You know, the 399 00:28:34,500 --> 00:28:38,730 final, the final one on the list, there is Iran. So that 400 00:28:38,730 --> 00:28:41,610 would be the big one. And well, and you only have to look at the 401 00:28:41,610 --> 00:28:45,840 news to know what's going on. So yeah, it's the system has not 402 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,110 slowed down since General Wesley Clark mentioned those seven 403 00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:49,740 countries. 404 00:28:50,490 --> 00:28:56,010 So either he had a crystal ball, or those countries were 405 00:28:56,010 --> 00:28:59,310 identified as targets. And we were just looking for a reason 406 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:04,140 or a way in to attack those countries. So we have another 407 00:29:04,140 --> 00:29:08,670 clip from the economic hitman. And he details the process of 408 00:29:08,670 --> 00:29:11,340 how they actually take over countries. 409 00:29:11,490 --> 00:29:15,240 And we work many different ways economic hitman, but perhaps the 410 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,740 most common is that we will identify a third world country 411 00:29:19,740 --> 00:29:23,310 that has resources our corporations covet, like oil, 412 00:29:23,580 --> 00:29:26,910 and then arrange a huge loan to that country from the World Bank 413 00:29:26,910 --> 00:29:29,610 or one of its sister organizations, but the money 414 00:29:29,610 --> 00:29:32,520 never actually goes to the country. Instead, it goes to our 415 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,460 own corporations to build big infrastructure projects in that 416 00:29:35,460 --> 00:29:39,090 country. Things like power plants and industrial parks and 417 00:29:39,090 --> 00:29:42,900 highways, the benefit of few wealthy families in that 418 00:29:42,900 --> 00:29:46,770 country, as well as our own corporations, but don't help the 419 00:29:46,770 --> 00:29:50,070 majority of the people. The whole country is less holding 420 00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:51,420 this huge debt. 421 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,740 Being so it's all so it's all about debt. It's all about 422 00:29:58,740 --> 00:30:03,450 leverage. And He said third world countries, and most of the 423 00:30:03,450 --> 00:30:08,040 third world countries are people of color, which I hate that 424 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:08,910 term. But 425 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:14,460 well, no, why you are? You're correct. And we have even more 426 00:30:14,460 --> 00:30:19,170 recent examples of this. With the European Union, Greece was 427 00:30:19,230 --> 00:30:23,550 completely obliterated economically, financially and 428 00:30:23,550 --> 00:30:30,330 targeted by the International Monetary Fund. Big hedge funds, 429 00:30:30,450 --> 00:30:36,600 Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, and the place is still in shambles. 430 00:30:37,710 --> 00:30:41,970 We're going on 15 years now, of what's been happening there. And 431 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,360 yes, the Greeks are a little darker than the Northern 432 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:46,170 Europeans. 433 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:53,340 And I'll as I always say, specifically, I just could speak 434 00:30:53,340 --> 00:30:59,700 from my group of people, we feel the impact first, we're kind of 435 00:30:59,700 --> 00:31:03,330 like, let's run the test plan on them. And if it works, then we 436 00:31:03,330 --> 00:31:06,300 will take it abroad, or we'll take it and then eventually, it 437 00:31:06,300 --> 00:31:11,130 filters out until all of all of the population of noni leaves. 438 00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:14,220 So we've seen this, and we've been telling people that when 439 00:31:14,220 --> 00:31:21,090 you hear terms like the man or the suits, right, oh, wow. What 440 00:31:21,090 --> 00:31:22,290 is that referring to? 441 00:31:22,530 --> 00:31:26,520 them? Are they? There's a lot of them? They Yeah, 442 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:32,790 sure. Right. So um, let's finish up with the economic hitman. 443 00:31:33,030 --> 00:31:36,210 And it's such a big debt that they can't repay it. So at some 444 00:31:36,210 --> 00:31:39,960 point, we economic hitmen go back to them and say, you can't 445 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,710 pay your debts. So give us a pound of flesh, sell your oil, 446 00:31:43,710 --> 00:31:46,980 real cheap to our oil companies, or vote with us on the next 447 00:31:46,980 --> 00:31:50,160 critical United Nations vote, were sent troops and supportive 448 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:54,600 hours to someplace in the world like Iraq, when we fail, then 449 00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:58,110 what we call the jackals step in and these are people who 450 00:31:58,110 --> 00:32:00,960 overthrow governments or assassinate their leaders. And 451 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,040 on the very few occasions when both economic hitmen and the 452 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:09,210 jackals fail, as we both did in Iraq, then and only then does 453 00:32:09,210 --> 00:32:12,330 the military step in. And it's pretty secret, because most 454 00:32:12,330 --> 00:32:14,400 people in the United States don't realize that they're 455 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,190 reaping the benefits from this empire, they don't realize about 456 00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:21,360 the exploitation of resources and environments and people and 457 00:32:21,540 --> 00:32:24,930 sweatshops and so on all over the world are a result of this. 458 00:32:25,650 --> 00:32:29,520 I think it's fair to say that this process is a huge threat to 459 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,910 democracy. And if the majority of the people who vote in the 460 00:32:32,910 --> 00:32:35,460 country don't understand this most basic principle of our 461 00:32:35,460 --> 00:32:38,730 foreign policy, then we're not informed. If we're not informed 462 00:32:38,730 --> 00:32:41,790 as to how to say that we're voting truly democratically, 463 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,200 which I think is a big concern. 464 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,360 You know, as he talks in, it just reminds me of his book, 465 00:32:49,020 --> 00:32:54,270 which is still one of my favorites. It's interesting that 466 00:32:54,270 --> 00:32:59,730 the Chinese are adhering to a complete economic hitman 467 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:08,820 operation mainly across Africa, but many other countries. Okay, 468 00:33:09,690 --> 00:33:13,590 I hit something there. Yes, maybe across Africa. Yes. Now, 469 00:33:13,620 --> 00:33:17,880 this is not white privilege, per se. Because you can't say the 470 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:25,020 Chinese are white. But, you know, Caucasian. I've wondered 471 00:33:25,020 --> 00:33:27,900 when once someone told me, Hey, you know, you're Caucasian and 472 00:33:27,900 --> 00:33:31,200 like, Oh, okay. So there's a relation there, perhaps. 473 00:33:32,220 --> 00:33:37,590 And there's a color spectrum there. Yeah. In Asia, the higher 474 00:33:37,590 --> 00:33:44,700 you go up, the closer to, quote unquote, white that you get. And 475 00:33:44,700 --> 00:33:47,520 this is where colorism comes in. All the shows that we had 476 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:48,600 previous to this 477 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,720 is just it's just been this is the crescendo. This is the 478 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,640 climax is the 479 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:58,770 climax. And when when, when the economic hitman going into those 480 00:33:58,770 --> 00:34:02,310 countries or the country, they speak to the Boulais. Yeah, 481 00:34:02,460 --> 00:34:06,990 every country, every creative man had a Boulais to say, You 482 00:34:06,990 --> 00:34:11,190 know what, we see the bigger picture. You know, somebody's 483 00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:15,150 got a bit of benefit from this Washington to be us. And then 484 00:34:15,150 --> 00:34:22,440 we'll help our people in the end, and we saw that and my 485 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,090 group of people, it was people that took deals on our behalf. 486 00:34:28,020 --> 00:34:31,350 And then when they didn't want to comply, they say in the 487 00:34:31,350 --> 00:34:37,260 actual hitman, or the jackals, right. So I mean, it's, this is 488 00:34:37,260 --> 00:34:41,790 what we're looking at. So, mister, going back to Mr. Shelby 489 00:34:41,790 --> 00:34:46,560 Steele and him and his speech, and he's going to speak on civil 490 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:47,130 rights. 491 00:34:47,850 --> 00:34:51,480 In 1964. We passed the civil rights bill in the United States 492 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,560 in 1965. We passed the voting rights, the Voting Rights Act. 493 00:34:55,890 --> 00:34:58,680 Both of these acts these in the I think they are some of the 494 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,260 greatest social legislation never passed anywhere in the 495 00:35:01,260 --> 00:35:05,280 world ever written anywhere in the world. There the model for, 496 00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:11,820 for other such legislation around the world. And inherent 497 00:35:11,820 --> 00:35:16,860 in the in this legislation was the acknowledgement on the part 498 00:35:16,890 --> 00:35:21,570 of America, that it had done something very wrong, that 499 00:35:21,570 --> 00:35:25,200 racism was wrong, that slavery was wrong that segregation was 500 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:30,660 wrong, that white supremacy itself was wrong. I think this 501 00:35:30,660 --> 00:35:38,760 was America's greatest moment. Here was a nation that morally 502 00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:44,670 came to terms with itself faced itself. I'm not aware of this, 503 00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:47,520 maybe it has happened, but I'm not aware of it anywhere else in 504 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,480 the world before this happening. We're a society, rich and 505 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:57,240 powerful looks at itself examines itself in the way that 506 00:35:57,240 --> 00:36:01,890 America did at that period of time, and makes the decision to 507 00:36:01,890 --> 00:36:07,110 change and acknowledges the wrong and vows to become a 508 00:36:07,110 --> 00:36:08,640 different kind of society. 509 00:36:10,140 --> 00:36:13,500 It's interesting how such a seminal moment in American 510 00:36:13,500 --> 00:36:17,610 history is used as such a club these days just to beat people 511 00:36:17,610 --> 00:36:18,420 over the head with 512 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:25,560 Yes, and it was it. I'm gonna sound cynical, but was it a 513 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,460 seminal moment? The reason why I asked it asked that question is, 514 00:36:29,940 --> 00:36:35,100 he said, this country took a look at yourself and plying a 515 00:36:35,130 --> 00:36:40,320 reflection or a mirror. Adam, do you know what that mirror was? 516 00:36:42,810 --> 00:36:47,700 Huh? No. The television screen? 517 00:36:49,980 --> 00:36:53,400 I feel like a dope. That was an E it was like that was another 518 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:59,370 ally you for the curry Meister? Yes, of course. Of course. And 519 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,490 telephone a lot to do with that. Yes, sir. 520 00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:07,290 When these images started making their way on television, whether 521 00:37:07,290 --> 00:37:13,380 they were staged are naturally occurring. It made people feel 522 00:37:13,380 --> 00:37:20,190 one one shame. Because like, how, how can this happen? Oh, 523 00:37:20,460 --> 00:37:26,190 and two, way out of shame comes guilt. Correct? Yes. So we start 524 00:37:26,190 --> 00:37:32,070 seeing the correlations here. Yes, yes. So let's go and look 525 00:37:32,070 --> 00:37:34,950 at the role of media in the civil rights. 526 00:37:37,830 --> 00:37:42,060 As a story, the Civil Rights Movement had it all. Good versus 527 00:37:42,060 --> 00:37:46,830 evil, drama, social upheaval. But at first America's major 528 00:37:46,830 --> 00:37:49,650 media ignored it, especially in the South. 529 00:37:49,890 --> 00:37:55,140 It was our responsibility to find a way to dramatize the 530 00:37:55,140 --> 00:37:55,590 issue 531 00:37:55,980 --> 00:37:58,740 was Congressman John Lewis says that the movements leaders 532 00:37:58,740 --> 00:38:03,060 realized to bring change, they needed to reach white Americans. 533 00:38:03,330 --> 00:38:04,350 How did you do that? 534 00:38:04,500 --> 00:38:10,320 As a movement. We literally put our bodies on the line. 535 00:38:10,590 --> 00:38:13,020 Jim fluence on the Civil Rights coverage, 536 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:17,190 Hank klibanoff co wrote the race beat a book about the media and 537 00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:17,880 the movement. 538 00:38:18,029 --> 00:38:21,779 Well, race was a big story in the south beginning in the 40s 539 00:38:21,779 --> 00:38:24,299 and 50s. It's just that no one knew about it. 540 00:38:24,660 --> 00:38:29,370 Finally, by 1957 Major northern newspapers discover the drama 541 00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:32,580 and the story. How do you feel about integrated passengers that 542 00:38:32,580 --> 00:38:36,150 television networks followed, even major southern media paid 543 00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:40,140 attention to the open hatred, you got to kick the white in the 544 00:38:40,140 --> 00:38:43,830 black set and the violent response to peaceful protest? 545 00:38:44,130 --> 00:38:48,450 If you're gonna beat us, beat us in the light of day, beat us 546 00:38:48,450 --> 00:38:49,590 while the cameras on 547 00:38:49,830 --> 00:38:55,200 on gov. This was Selma, Alabama, 1965. Among the bloodied John 548 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:55,830 Lewis, 549 00:38:56,130 --> 00:39:00,900 American people could not stand to see young children and all 550 00:39:00,900 --> 00:39:05,190 women being knocked down by fire hoses and chased by police 551 00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:05,670 stole. 552 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:10,860 Yeah, you know. I'm just a little bit too young to have 553 00:39:10,890 --> 00:39:13,920 witnessed all that until I have other experiences from the from 554 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,680 the late 60s, which we may get into later. But yeah, oh, man, 555 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,970 of course. You when You showed normal, rational people what was 556 00:39:20,970 --> 00:39:25,350 going on and how people were willing to put themselves into 557 00:39:25,350 --> 00:39:28,620 the line of fire, so to speak, it definitely had an impact. 558 00:39:28,650 --> 00:39:29,580 Very powerful. 559 00:39:30,780 --> 00:39:38,100 Yeah, and so even John Lewis said, we had to dramatize Yeah, 560 00:39:38,220 --> 00:39:47,640 his words. Yeah, dramatize even so much so. Ah. Rosa Parks 561 00:39:47,850 --> 00:39:49,530 wasn't in the first Rosa Parks. 562 00:39:50,670 --> 00:39:53,160 Oh, man. Mo don't blow my mind now. 563 00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:56,970 Claudette Colvin? Oh, yes, 564 00:39:56,970 --> 00:39:58,980 I do know this name, of course. Uh huh. 565 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,320 Make sure I have the name right. I know how the story right? But 566 00:40:04,350 --> 00:40:08,970 yeah Clotet COVID Si, si o l Vi n, if you want to look at who 567 00:40:08,970 --> 00:40:12,690 for those who don't look it up. She was the original Rosa Parks. 568 00:40:13,470 --> 00:40:21,240 Only problem is one she had illegitimate children. So she 569 00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:21,990 didn't make for 570 00:40:21,990 --> 00:40:25,770 the perfect. She's not the not the right casting for the role. 571 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:32,100 Right also some say some slightly esteemed ether, that 572 00:40:32,100 --> 00:40:39,360 she was too dark for the role as well, because we all know Rosa 573 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,650 Parks was fair skinned. And it happened to be a work for the 574 00:40:43,650 --> 00:40:49,080 NAACP. Right. So I mean, just to go show you the dramatization, 575 00:40:49,710 --> 00:40:52,920 not taking anything away from these people that like I say he 576 00:40:52,950 --> 00:41:00,720 they put their bodies on the line. But if you understand that 577 00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:03,390 television is going to be a problem. And there's there's a 578 00:41:03,390 --> 00:41:06,810 correlation here because we've seen the civil rights movement. 579 00:41:08,130 --> 00:41:12,090 With the technology increasing with television, we see a one on 580 00:41:12,090 --> 00:41:16,530 one correlation with the the increase in technology with the 581 00:41:16,530 --> 00:41:22,140 new television, ie the smartphone and outrage, and 582 00:41:22,140 --> 00:41:29,700 Silviu social justice movements 583 00:41:29,790 --> 00:41:34,770 only now it's a lot, it's a lot easier to mess with people's 584 00:41:34,770 --> 00:41:40,440 brains and social media. It's so ready just to put stuff into 585 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,160 people's heads and imagery and memes is really important in 586 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,280 this means, oh, my goodness, you know, the modern carrier 587 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,710 will say the same thing about they will say the same thing 588 00:41:49,710 --> 00:41:53,730 about television. And those times Absolutely. Where it was, 589 00:41:53,730 --> 00:41:57,240 he said there used to be just a picture in the newspaper, maybe 590 00:41:57,240 --> 00:42:02,820 a radio story. But now when you could put motion picture, people 591 00:42:02,820 --> 00:42:07,080 being blown over by water hoses, dogs attacking them, it was very 592 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:12,120 beneficial to, to the movement, enact that chain. Well. 593 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:17,940 In fact, to this day, this type of tactic is being used with 594 00:42:18,030 --> 00:42:22,620 Hong Kong, where messages are being are circulating everywhere 595 00:42:22,620 --> 00:42:26,970 of Tiananmen Square. There's no one photo that shows dead bodies 596 00:42:27,180 --> 00:42:32,010 will just run over by tanks. And you know, this is brought into 597 00:42:32,010 --> 00:42:35,880 this Hong Kong situation continuously. Just as an aside 598 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,240 mo very interesting to me that Claudette Colvin has no 599 00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:44,760 Wikipedia entry. That tells you something right there, doesn't 600 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,290 it? Yeah. 601 00:42:48,270 --> 00:42:52,770 But it's funny that you say about the memes and the visuals. 602 00:42:53,040 --> 00:43:00,210 Because in Hong Kong, the eyepatch. Yeah, is the is the 603 00:43:00,690 --> 00:43:05,070 imagery or the symbolism for Hong Kong now. Yeah, so much so 604 00:43:05,190 --> 00:43:07,170 and it's finished. This is funny, and we won't get back on 605 00:43:07,170 --> 00:43:12,480 track here that the One World System is eating itself, because 606 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:18,030 now they're pulling all the one eye Illuminati symbolism because 607 00:43:18,030 --> 00:43:24,180 they're scared above me now. 608 00:43:25,590 --> 00:43:29,070 Oh, my goodness, I hadn't even hadn't even thought about that. 609 00:43:29,100 --> 00:43:32,040 The one the all seeing eye and the eye patch. 610 00:43:32,610 --> 00:43:34,470 You know, the models they love to do the 611 00:43:34,650 --> 00:43:36,720 Yeah. The triangle and 612 00:43:37,410 --> 00:43:42,000 all that crap. Yes, they're pulling it all because here to 613 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:47,430 be symbolism to Hong Kong. Nice. Alright, so getting back to the 614 00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:51,780 media and the civil rights movement, movement to we will 615 00:43:51,780 --> 00:43:52,230 drama 616 00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:56,700 times this whole situation by marching by the 1000s. 617 00:43:56,970 --> 00:44:00,180 Television also found Martin Luther King's, the Reverend 618 00:44:00,180 --> 00:44:04,560 Martin Luther King, Jr. will face the nation, Americans heard 619 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,260 a leader who shattered racial stereotypes. 620 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:12,330 We feel that the time has come for a full scale assault on the 621 00:44:12,330 --> 00:44:13,950 system of segregation. 622 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,580 This man is someone you could actually talk to and who seemed 623 00:44:17,580 --> 00:44:20,670 quite reasonable for white Southerners. This was new 624 00:44:20,670 --> 00:44:24,150 information and part of a national awakening. 625 00:44:24,509 --> 00:44:27,899 It was the media that carried a message to the rest of the 626 00:44:27,899 --> 00:44:28,349 nation. 627 00:44:28,529 --> 00:44:33,329 Protest became progress once the media woke up. And Americans 628 00:44:33,389 --> 00:44:39,779 Rosa. Mark Strassman, CBS News, Atlanta. 629 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,660 dramatized dramatize right off the bat. Yeah. 630 00:44:47,340 --> 00:44:50,280 So So we've seen how 631 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,370 I'm sorry. For his many times. I've heard Martin Luther King 632 00:44:53,370 --> 00:44:57,060 speeches. It never hit me. When he said dramat They'd never hit 633 00:44:57,060 --> 00:45:01,740 me. And just now Oh, okay. Of course. He was, you know, he's 634 00:45:01,980 --> 00:45:04,080 the 60s version of memes. 635 00:45:05,339 --> 00:45:09,209 And he was perfect for the role. It was young. Great, great 636 00:45:09,209 --> 00:45:17,729 voice. Great. You're saying, Ah, awesome. Speaker. And just he 637 00:45:17,729 --> 00:45:19,859 would like to say perfect for the role that they were looking 638 00:45:19,859 --> 00:45:24,479 for a young, a young black articulate man, that was camera 639 00:45:24,479 --> 00:45:25,289 friendly, friendly. 640 00:45:25,590 --> 00:45:28,620 When you said that. I'm sorry, when you say he was perfect for 641 00:45:28,620 --> 00:45:30,540 what they were looking for. 642 00:45:31,110 --> 00:45:39,180 Yes, they being Balete. Just checking that yeah, the day 643 00:45:40,140 --> 00:45:46,740 pretty much. Yeah, big vague. Gotcha. Yeah. So and but what 644 00:45:46,740 --> 00:45:53,040 was his message nonviolence? Not gonna cause too much trouble. He 645 00:45:53,040 --> 00:46:00,540 was palatable, too, to the what? What was the other option? 646 00:46:00,630 --> 00:46:04,380 Yeah, well, he also had got on his side that made that easier. 647 00:46:05,130 --> 00:46:05,640 Yes. 648 00:46:06,270 --> 00:46:12,360 So this is the source of shaming. And like I said, 649 00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,150 before, we look at the relationship between shaming and 650 00:46:15,150 --> 00:46:19,200 guilt. So now we go back to Mr. Shelby Steele, and he explains 651 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,150 to us further what white guilt is. 652 00:46:21,390 --> 00:46:25,440 So White guilt, then is not a guilt of conscience. It's not, 653 00:46:25,470 --> 00:46:28,440 um, I can't sleep at night, because I'm so guilty about what 654 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:36,540 happened to black Americans before I was born, it's not that 655 00:46:36,540 --> 00:46:40,590 kind of if White guilt was that, then we wouldn't be here today 656 00:46:40,590 --> 00:46:43,950 talking about this, this phenomenon, but it is this 657 00:46:43,950 --> 00:46:49,230 vacuum of moral authority, just not be not having the authority 658 00:46:49,620 --> 00:46:53,880 to be able to speak about any number of issues, race, poverty, 659 00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:59,730 and so forth, because of having acknowledged this, this past, 660 00:47:00,150 --> 00:47:07,800 the sins of the past. White Guilt is enforced, by us by 661 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:14,220 stigma. When when you acknowledge that you were a part 662 00:47:14,220 --> 00:47:17,070 of a group that you belong to a group that did it wrong in the 663 00:47:17,070 --> 00:47:19,980 past, think if you want to, I think see this in vivid terms, 664 00:47:19,980 --> 00:47:28,350 think of the Germans after World War Two, the stigma of having 665 00:47:28,350 --> 00:47:33,480 been a Nazi having a Nazi in your family, an uncle who was 666 00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:39,660 whatever? Well, you might not, you might yourself not have been 667 00:47:40,170 --> 00:47:43,620 a Nazi might not might never have subscribe to that point of 668 00:47:43,620 --> 00:47:48,480 view. But outside of Germany, all Germans, in a sense became 669 00:47:48,780 --> 00:47:54,960 from from then on stigmatized by the sin of Nazism. And other 670 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,140 people could look at them and have a certain again, moral 671 00:47:58,140 --> 00:48:01,710 authority in relation to them. Well, in many ways, I think 672 00:48:01,710 --> 00:48:04,680 that's what happened in in America, whites became 673 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:11,220 stigmatized, as as racist. And from that point on, whites are 674 00:48:11,220 --> 00:48:14,490 in the position of forever having to prove the negative, 675 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,080 that they're not a racist. 676 00:48:16,500 --> 00:48:20,010 Wow, this is very good. And I hadn't considered that 677 00:48:20,490 --> 00:48:25,170 comparison. Having grown up in the Netherlands, where many of 678 00:48:25,170 --> 00:48:29,010 my friends grandparents had, you know, spheroid numbers tattooed 679 00:48:29,010 --> 00:48:33,870 on their forearms from from the concentration camp. You know, 680 00:48:33,870 --> 00:48:38,850 there were Germans in Holland all the time, either on business 681 00:48:38,850 --> 00:48:42,540 or vacationing. And as I grew older, you know, we had Germans 682 00:48:42,570 --> 00:48:48,330 who we'd be friends with or whatever. And it was, to me at 683 00:48:48,330 --> 00:48:53,040 least always obvious, they were really trying to be nice. You 684 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,380 know, they were the new Germans. And I think someone actually 685 00:48:55,380 --> 00:48:57,750 said it to me one time to get where the new German Shannon 686 00:48:57,750 --> 00:49:02,610 this is, and they definitely are very cognizant of their past. 687 00:49:02,610 --> 00:49:07,710 And and yeah, I guess it is a form of oh, man, we were really 688 00:49:07,710 --> 00:49:10,290 assholes in the in the past. And so I just want you to know, 689 00:49:10,290 --> 00:49:13,350 we're not like that. We're cool, man. We're okay, we're, but 690 00:49:13,350 --> 00:49:17,640 still, and this is where it gets tough. These grandparents, that 691 00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:21,720 would always be wary, that he's German, you know, so there was 692 00:49:21,720 --> 00:49:24,990 this period, before everybody dies off. It takes a while. And 693 00:49:24,990 --> 00:49:29,970 I think now, rarely does anyone even make a joke about Germans 694 00:49:29,970 --> 00:49:32,790 being Nazis, whereas that used to be kind of normal. You could 695 00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:36,090 say to a German guy. Yeah, I know how you'd like to dominate. 696 00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,310 You know, you could say that stuff, and you'd have a good 697 00:49:38,310 --> 00:49:41,460 laugh over it. But now that's kind of gone. And that so that's 698 00:49:41,460 --> 00:49:48,840 in less than, you know, so what is that? 80 7080 years, and 699 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:53,790 that's kind of gone. But very important. I think for this. You 700 00:49:53,790 --> 00:49:56,730 can't tell by looking at someone if they're German or not. 701 00:49:59,490 --> 00:50:03,000 Exactly. And that's what I was speaking about before with the, 702 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:09,660 the color people or people of color versus non people of 703 00:50:09,660 --> 00:50:14,250 color, right? That you can't. And I use this term before, but 704 00:50:14,250 --> 00:50:18,090 I didn't use it in jest. closeted you know, you could be 705 00:50:18,090 --> 00:50:23,190 a closeted German, you know, yes, exactly exactly. Where with 706 00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:25,560 me like I said back in what you can be a 707 00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,960 closeted German easily I mean no one would know 708 00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:38,220 so this is where we get to with the guilt, the shame, and it's 709 00:50:38,220 --> 00:50:40,710 like proof prove you're not a racist Adam prove this you're 710 00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:45,000 not a racist investor conversation proving 711 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,600 a negative is impossible I okay now I want to tell this story 712 00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:53,550 1969 I'm five years old. We're living in Kensington, Maryland. 713 00:50:53,820 --> 00:50:56,010 And you know, and it's this morning, your phone call 714 00:50:56,010 --> 00:50:58,980 actually triggered this. And also I'm writing my book. And so 715 00:50:59,010 --> 00:51:00,990 you know, things are coming into my mind that I haven't thought 716 00:51:00,990 --> 00:51:04,290 about. So I'm five and I don't. And you don't really remember 717 00:51:04,290 --> 00:51:06,720 much when you're when you're five, but I remember very 718 00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:11,970 distinctly a feeling I had. My parents were both government 719 00:51:12,030 --> 00:51:17,790 employees. And it was I think it was a Saturday. No, I'm sure it 720 00:51:17,790 --> 00:51:20,760 was a Saturday, they said, Hey, we're having some colleagues 721 00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:25,440 come over from work. And you know, there'll be here. I don't 722 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,500 know if they said they were black. But it was a family of 723 00:51:28,500 --> 00:51:33,390 four mom, dad, son, daughter. And they were colleagues. They 724 00:51:33,390 --> 00:51:40,590 also state government employees. And I remember they were so 725 00:51:40,590 --> 00:51:44,400 dressed up like son and we went to church on Sundays by any a 726 00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,810 Unitarian Church. Okay, we went to church, and, and I remembered 727 00:51:48,810 --> 00:51:53,820 them all dressed up. You know, like Sunday best and like, why? 728 00:51:54,270 --> 00:51:59,010 Thank you for ringing that bell. And, and that moment, I and I'm 729 00:51:59,010 --> 00:52:04,470 trying to bring it up now. I felt I felt very emotional about 730 00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:07,170 it. I don't know if it was wow. You know, and they weren't 731 00:52:07,170 --> 00:52:10,800 really talkative. You know, they were like, yes. And a lot of 732 00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,710 Yes, yes. Do Yes, sir. No, ma'am. All the likes really 733 00:52:13,710 --> 00:52:17,430 being on their Sunday best and, and my, my sister was very 734 00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:20,070 young, but I was like, I just want to hang out and play. And I 735 00:52:20,070 --> 00:52:24,690 remember feeling not guilty. Be honest with him. I think I felt 736 00:52:24,690 --> 00:52:27,720 sorry. And I and I didn't know anything about the civil rights. 737 00:52:27,720 --> 00:52:30,480 And I'm five, you know, I'm fine. And I don't think I'd 738 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,570 really interacted with black kids. Certainly not in 739 00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,120 Kensington, Maryland at the time, I'm sure that's changed 740 00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:41,550 now. And that's what I felt. And I and it was very odd to me. But 741 00:52:41,550 --> 00:52:46,200 it was not just color. But it was the whole thing. You know, 742 00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:51,060 the being extra, extra dressed up and extra and like, didn't 743 00:52:51,060 --> 00:52:55,080 make sense to me. I hope that it's coming out. If you 744 00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:56,400 understand what I'm saying here, 745 00:52:56,580 --> 00:53:00,000 the reason why I rang my bell, I'm going to be on the opposite 746 00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:06,900 side of that conversation. This is a phenomenon that I grew up 747 00:53:06,900 --> 00:53:11,070 under. When we went somewhere, you look your best. It wasn't 748 00:53:11,070 --> 00:53:14,100 the fact that all you want to impress white people, is the 749 00:53:14,100 --> 00:53:18,900 fact that we're not going to feed into the stereotypes. We're 750 00:53:18,900 --> 00:53:25,380 going to defeat the stereotypes. So you had to be art every day. 751 00:53:25,410 --> 00:53:28,560 But that's really weird because all I wanted was for another kid 752 00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,140 to show up with a Schwinn bike, you know, it's like hey, man, 753 00:53:31,140 --> 00:53:34,470 let's go have a run around the neighborhood. So it had an 754 00:53:34,470 --> 00:53:36,240 adverse effect on me at the time. 755 00:53:37,290 --> 00:53:42,840 Well, this is the conversation no ask for anything. Don't 756 00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:49,260 embarrass us that you get in the car. And I was telling my wife I 757 00:53:49,260 --> 00:53:52,680 was like you know the weird thing now is and I can say no, 758 00:53:52,740 --> 00:53:56,190 when I do generalities, generalities is just for the 759 00:53:57,930 --> 00:53:59,820 sake of conversation of course you know 760 00:53:59,820 --> 00:54:07,950 who you know who does that now, the newly immigrated we go to 761 00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:12,990 when we go to school functions, all the kids you know like 762 00:54:12,990 --> 00:54:16,980 calling out like I may say if it calls for like a core course 763 00:54:16,980 --> 00:54:21,240 recital. They have a white shirt, black pants, you know, 764 00:54:21,240 --> 00:54:26,160 black shoes, the girls wear dresses, the newly immigrated 765 00:54:26,190 --> 00:54:32,250 you can identify them because the way they dress right arrays 766 00:54:32,250 --> 00:54:38,280 so neat is so clean you know Wellcamp and they you look at 767 00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,910 the American cute quote unquote American kids it's like well, 768 00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,320 and subsequently just just attack arm that when it comes to 769 00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:51,030 clothing. Of course, every black guy I've known is much better at 770 00:54:51,030 --> 00:54:53,640 doing clothes than I am and when I went to college and my 771 00:54:53,640 --> 00:55:00,690 roommate as black, I learned how to wash and dry and fold Uh, and 772 00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:03,300 you know, so that's just it's a purely cultural difference, but 773 00:55:03,300 --> 00:55:04,470 man, I'm happy for it. 774 00:55:05,250 --> 00:55:08,850 Yeah, my grandma show me how to iron it like Tim Yeah, 19 years 775 00:55:08,850 --> 00:55:13,050 old. I mean, because he's the way you carry yourself. And that 776 00:55:13,050 --> 00:55:15,540 and that comes from like I said, that generational thing you 777 00:55:15,570 --> 00:55:18,930 mostly your grandparents and parents, like, you know, we're 778 00:55:18,930 --> 00:55:22,140 new. Black people weren't new, the integrator at this period. I 779 00:55:22,140 --> 00:55:25,260 mean, if you really want to, I mean it to decide, 780 00:55:25,650 --> 00:55:29,580 this is 1969. Mo, this is, you know, this is right, right after 781 00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:30,990 it all went down, you know, 782 00:55:31,650 --> 00:55:34,620 right. I mean, I know from from people, oh, what you mean by 783 00:55:34,620 --> 00:55:38,370 immigrants? Because we were right on the fringe of society. 784 00:55:38,370 --> 00:55:41,550 And now we were allowed. And so it's like, we had the same 785 00:55:41,550 --> 00:55:46,320 mentality as newly immigrated people now that are observed, 786 00:55:46,350 --> 00:55:46,650 but what 787 00:55:46,650 --> 00:55:49,530 you just hit home for me, you said, you're in the car, don't 788 00:55:49,530 --> 00:55:53,280 ask questions. Don't embarrass us. That if that'll, by the way, 789 00:55:53,310 --> 00:55:54,570 that'll fuck you up as a kid. 790 00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:03,390 Well, you got to understand what's riding on that wheel? It 791 00:56:03,390 --> 00:56:07,230 will. Yeah, it will. I'm not saying won't with my age. The 792 00:56:07,230 --> 00:56:12,930 whole race is riding on your shoulders. Yeah, we you go into 793 00:56:12,930 --> 00:56:16,350 environments. And you know what, to be honest with you. During 794 00:56:16,350 --> 00:56:20,820 this podcast. I feel that. Well, good, 795 00:56:20,850 --> 00:56:25,050 because it does. Without this podcast, we devolve into race 796 00:56:25,050 --> 00:56:28,890 war. So yes, we're right. Right. We are holding up the country 797 00:56:28,890 --> 00:56:30,000 and the universe Mo. 798 00:56:30,540 --> 00:56:38,220 Yes. So, Dr. Phil, he feels that he needs to chime in. And this 799 00:56:38,220 --> 00:56:41,670 is telling you how far the white conversation white privilege 800 00:56:41,670 --> 00:56:45,150 conversation had went when it starts to infiltrate daytime 801 00:56:45,150 --> 00:56:50,730 television. So Dr. Phil, he goes and tries to define what is 802 00:56:50,730 --> 00:56:51,570 white privilege, 803 00:56:51,630 --> 00:56:57,120 let's start out by defining white privilege and what it is 804 00:56:57,150 --> 00:57:03,000 and what it is not. Now, first definition, Privilege is a 805 00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:08,640 special right or advantage, or immunity granted, or available 806 00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,480 only to a particular person or group. Now, when we say 807 00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:17,190 privilege, that just means that it's something that exist, it's 808 00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:20,130 not something that somebody created or grabbed, right? 809 00:57:20,580 --> 00:57:23,130 Think about this, the famous story by David Foster Wallace, 810 00:57:23,130 --> 00:57:26,550 he said to Fisher, in the ocean, swimming along, they meet a 811 00:57:26,580 --> 00:57:29,550 elderly fish coming in other way. And he says, Good morning 812 00:57:29,550 --> 00:57:31,920 boys, how's the water, they go along a little piece they go 813 00:57:31,950 --> 00:57:35,400 what's water, when you're in it, you don't recognize that you're 814 00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,070 in it, you derive your existence from it, you derive your 815 00:57:38,070 --> 00:57:41,160 sustenance from it. So it's a set of practices and privileges 816 00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,400 based upon skin color is based upon assumptions about who 817 00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,200 people are. So that's what privileges Yeah. 818 00:57:46,260 --> 00:57:49,890 All right, and we're talking here that the privilege is we 819 00:57:49,890 --> 00:57:53,310 said it goes to a group or an individual. And we're talking 820 00:57:53,310 --> 00:57:57,210 about the group being white here. And so white privilege, 821 00:57:57,210 --> 00:58:01,380 we're talking about inherent advantages, possessed by a white 822 00:58:01,380 --> 00:58:05,280 person on the basis of their race in a society that's 823 00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,580 characterized by racial inequality or injustice. So the 824 00:58:08,580 --> 00:58:13,170 fish you're talking about here are white folks that are 825 00:58:13,170 --> 00:58:17,850 swimming in a society and they don't realize that this endures 826 00:58:17,850 --> 00:58:21,210 to their benefit, but it's not that they said, I'm going to 827 00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:24,780 position myself in a way that I have this advantage it just 828 00:58:24,780 --> 00:58:26,250 exists all around them 829 00:58:27,690 --> 00:58:32,100 all right. They sent a bunch of nothing their 830 00:58:33,690 --> 00:58:36,420 fish water, it's all on fee. 831 00:58:36,420 --> 00:58:39,960 And like I said, one of my favorite guys to ridicule Dr. 832 00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:44,880 Michael Eric Dyson, with his word salad. And that's the 833 00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:49,110 problem. have a real conversation. Right? Me and you 834 00:58:49,140 --> 00:58:51,690 are having a real conversation. We're sharing personal 835 00:58:51,690 --> 00:58:56,100 experiences. You let me know what the other side of that 836 00:58:56,430 --> 00:59:00,420 conversation that we got into the guy in the car was about, 837 00:59:00,450 --> 00:59:03,510 you know, um, let you know what it was about. But we used to do 838 00:59:03,510 --> 00:59:06,450 this all we used to fish swimming, and he asked him what 839 00:59:06,450 --> 00:59:06,930 water 840 00:59:07,919 --> 00:59:10,499 we can't just talk about human beings. You got to take it to 841 00:59:10,499 --> 00:59:13,439 fish right away in the water because I get Yeah, it's you 842 00:59:13,439 --> 00:59:16,409 know, because it's probably too painful for people to look 843 00:59:16,409 --> 00:59:19,739 inside themselves and identify with what's being said. 844 00:59:21,540 --> 00:59:25,020 I call bullshit, excuse me for saying that. And reason one on 845 00:59:25,020 --> 00:59:28,800 Dr. Michael Eric Dyson. He understands the World War One 846 00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,950 World Government, but he's not gonna have that conversation 847 00:59:31,950 --> 00:59:35,910 because he's an elite, or he's allowed to be in the elite 848 00:59:35,910 --> 00:59:40,290 circle. He's not a really elite, but he's a pseudo elite. You 849 00:59:40,290 --> 00:59:43,320 know, so he's not gonna step on any toes so he doesn't lose his 850 00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:47,280 tenure at the you know, whatever universities that and he's not 851 00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,670 going to be labeled a problem child. So he goes out here and 852 00:59:50,670 --> 00:59:53,520 he makes people ordinary day people that don't really have 853 00:59:53,550 --> 01:00:00,390 any power, feel guilt and shame. But when you put him on a panel 854 01:00:00,390 --> 01:00:04,290 with a bunch of liberals that hold very stereotypical us 855 01:00:05,610 --> 01:00:10,710 stereotypical views of black people. He wants challenge him. 856 01:00:11,580 --> 01:00:15,330 That's why I'm in is people like that we got to get rid of they 857 01:00:15,330 --> 01:00:20,190 gotta go. Yeah, here yeah, here gotta go because they're 858 01:00:20,190 --> 01:00:25,650 standing in the way of people have real conversations that can 859 01:00:25,650 --> 01:00:29,550 really bring about. And let me be clear. I mean we'll say one 860 01:00:29,550 --> 01:00:35,490 thing here about oh, I'll wait to address that. But yeah, I 861 01:00:35,490 --> 01:00:39,540 mean, you see here, you're on Dr. Phil, you have the platform 862 01:00:39,570 --> 01:00:44,580 of broadcast television. And that's what you came with fish. 863 01:00:47,730 --> 01:00:53,640 Fry? Yeah. So and that's what he always does is these long, want 864 01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:57,300 to be effective communicator, you should be able to simply 865 01:00:57,300 --> 01:01:01,080 communicate things. That way, a multitude of different people 866 01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,000 can understand what you're saying on different levels. 867 01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:03,180 Right. 868 01:01:03,180 --> 01:01:06,180 But as you point out, he clearly was not authorized to do that 869 01:01:06,180 --> 01:01:07,920 he's his task is different. 870 01:01:08,730 --> 01:01:15,090 No, his task is to go out there and virtue signal and make white 871 01:01:15,090 --> 01:01:20,490 people feel guilty. For whatever reason of this. 872 01:01:22,380 --> 01:01:27,540 Oh, well, I don't know. Well, if I may insert one thing. In 1971, 873 01:01:27,540 --> 01:01:29,850 talking about television, something very important 874 01:01:29,850 --> 01:01:37,590 happened in American life. And that was all in the family. And 875 01:01:37,590 --> 01:01:43,380 having Archie Bunker sit there and portray the seemingly 876 01:01:43,380 --> 01:01:49,170 stereotypical white collar. Blue, I'm sorry, blue collar, 877 01:01:49,230 --> 01:01:53,670 white working guy who hates the commies hates the Jews hates the 878 01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:58,830 blacks. You know, that was a guilt. You know, like throwing 879 01:01:58,830 --> 01:02:01,650 shade, it was throwing guilt all over the place. And it was the 880 01:02:01,650 --> 01:02:07,440 number one show for almost a decade. And I think that did a 881 01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,710 lot to the American psyche. I grew up watching it. I remember 882 01:02:10,710 --> 01:02:16,140 my dad wrote a play version of all in the family that the 883 01:02:16,140 --> 01:02:19,740 church, they performed it at the church, and it was riddled with 884 01:02:19,740 --> 01:02:24,000 this kind of stuff. And it was totally intended to guilt white 885 01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:28,230 people was also funny, but it was because it made you laugh at 886 01:02:28,230 --> 01:02:32,280 yourself. But at the same time, it was I think, very important, 887 01:02:33,149 --> 01:02:37,019 which we can and I'm not saying white people can atone, if you 888 01:02:37,019 --> 01:02:42,269 truly feel that you've held some racist beliefs or, you know, 889 01:02:42,689 --> 01:02:48,179 you've benefited from this system directly. You can atone 890 01:02:48,179 --> 01:02:52,499 for it. I'm not saying that, but making people antagonizing 891 01:02:52,499 --> 01:02:56,399 people. And it's done on both sides. Because what it does is 892 01:02:56,399 --> 01:03:01,319 it creates this circular argument of, oh, this is how it 893 01:03:01,319 --> 01:03:07,289 goes. A white man, you, you you, you have white privilege. And 894 01:03:07,289 --> 01:03:11,099 then they say, Well, are you black people get welfare, and 895 01:03:11,099 --> 01:03:15,599 I'll get welfare, you know, and then it is this nonsensical, 896 01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:18,659 circular argument goes round and round and round. 897 01:03:19,380 --> 01:03:23,160 It's worse. I'm sorry, I can laugh. It's worse mo it's worse. 898 01:03:23,370 --> 01:03:26,910 White people will say to you, you've got white privilege. 899 01:03:28,410 --> 01:03:32,250 Well, they want to not what what did Shelby Steele saying the 900 01:03:32,250 --> 01:03:35,250 other one they want to prove the negative? This prove the 901 01:03:35,250 --> 01:03:38,490 negative? It's like, oh, well, if I see a white guy and a black 902 01:03:38,490 --> 01:03:43,470 guy arguing. I gotta take the black guy aside for fear of me 903 01:03:43,470 --> 01:03:48,570 looking like a racist. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. So that that's 904 01:03:48,570 --> 01:03:52,230 the root issue. Like I say it's non productive. I'm a solution 905 01:03:52,230 --> 01:03:56,940 based person, we can fix a lot of the problems. One is, like I 906 01:03:56,940 --> 01:04:01,680 say, we clearly realize there is a one world government and 907 01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:04,680 people that did not that, that they're the 908 01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,110 bigger problem. They're asleep, they got their eyes closed, 909 01:04:07,650 --> 01:04:11,790 right are scared to say anything. But let's continue 910 01:04:11,790 --> 01:04:15,540 with Dr. Phil and Dr. Abraham Martin, 911 01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,570 the conversation doctor to become so difficult for so many 912 01:04:18,570 --> 01:04:20,760 people because when they think of privilege, they think that 913 01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,790 they should have socio economic advantage. So a lot of white 914 01:04:23,790 --> 01:04:26,970 people say I don't have any kind of white privilege. I'm poor. I 915 01:04:26,970 --> 01:04:30,630 had to stand in the food line. My family was on welfare. And so 916 01:04:30,630 --> 01:04:33,510 they deny the existence of the privilege because they feel like 917 01:04:33,510 --> 01:04:36,840 they have not reaping the financial benefits that are 918 01:04:36,870 --> 01:04:39,480 usually associated with the word privilege. 919 01:04:40,350 --> 01:04:45,300 Exactly. That's, that's the argument referred to their 920 01:04:45,690 --> 01:04:49,080 images going around and around like a dog chasing his tail. 921 01:04:49,110 --> 01:04:50,820 Yeah, we get nowhere 922 01:04:50,850 --> 01:04:54,990 and I and I fell into that hole with it with the UT professor. I 923 01:04:54,990 --> 01:05:00,750 fell right into it. And he's a professor You think these guys 924 01:05:00,750 --> 01:05:02,790 know better? Well, 925 01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:06,930 when you work in a liberal environment as a university, you 926 01:05:06,930 --> 01:05:13,170 have to really disprove the negative right? To survive. I 927 01:05:13,170 --> 01:05:15,180 mean, just talking about survival or, 928 01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:19,950 or just say you're right. That's that's the easy way out. Yeah, 929 01:05:19,950 --> 01:05:22,500 you're right, I guess right. I got white privilege. I'm a dick. 930 01:05:22,530 --> 01:05:23,070 You're right. 931 01:05:24,930 --> 01:05:27,510 So we're going back to Shelby Steele. And he's going to 932 01:05:27,540 --> 01:05:29,910 elaborate more on white guilt. 933 01:05:33,030 --> 01:05:36,900 And in a sense, since the since the, since the 60s, that's 934 01:05:36,900 --> 01:05:40,440 pretty much what what has been what has happened is that 935 01:05:41,790 --> 01:05:46,080 minorities have have begun to sort of manipulate that stick. 936 01:05:47,580 --> 01:05:51,570 And so we can we call it in some circles to today, the race car, 937 01:05:51,810 --> 01:05:54,690 play the race card, what is the race card mean? Well, if you 938 01:05:54,690 --> 01:05:58,530 don't do what I'm what I want you to do, then you're going to 939 01:05:58,530 --> 01:06:00,930 be stigmatized as a racist. And the price you'll pay is you'll 940 01:06:00,930 --> 01:06:07,740 lose your, your legitimacy. So White Guilt is powerful, is a 941 01:06:07,740 --> 01:06:11,880 powerful, powerful force, not because people feel guilty, but 942 01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:16,650 because people are stigmatized, and again, have to have to prove 943 01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:20,220 have to prove the negative all the time, and for living 944 01:06:20,220 --> 01:06:24,180 forever, under threat of being stigmatized. 945 01:06:24,390 --> 01:06:26,220 Wow, he nails it there. 946 01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:30,840 nails it. And there's a key word that he used in there. 947 01:06:31,860 --> 01:06:38,430 Minorities? Yeah. Off the back of the silver rights. And we've 948 01:06:38,430 --> 01:06:44,220 seen this in the recent events with the trans and gay 949 01:06:44,220 --> 01:06:46,200 employment bill, 950 01:06:46,710 --> 01:06:49,470 or well, the Supreme Court case. 951 01:06:49,859 --> 01:06:56,669 Yes, yes. We, we kicked the door open or, you know, black people 952 01:06:56,879 --> 01:07:01,049 aid us kicked the door open for silver rights. We're are allowed 953 01:07:01,049 --> 01:07:04,739 to open the door, how you want to look at it? Um, what were the 954 01:07:04,739 --> 01:07:08,129 last the benefit from it? Is I everybody else like Oh, thank 955 01:07:08,129 --> 01:07:09,359 you. Thank you. You're saying? 956 01:07:10,140 --> 01:07:12,300 Let me hold the door. Hey, thanks for holding the door open 957 01:07:12,300 --> 01:07:18,840 black people, right? Everybody? Yeah, you're right. 958 01:07:20,220 --> 01:07:26,100 You know, um, as you see, cops, I haven't seen a single cop. 959 01:07:27,030 --> 01:07:30,030 Shoot a trans person. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I'm 960 01:07:30,030 --> 01:07:33,120 just saying what they show us on the news is always a black male 961 01:07:33,630 --> 01:07:40,080 being shot. Yeah, but Black Lives Matter has pivoted or 962 01:07:40,110 --> 01:07:44,970 evolved or whatever you want to use to global warming. We, as we 963 01:07:44,970 --> 01:07:48,780 heard in the previous clips on previous show of global warming, 964 01:07:48,810 --> 01:07:53,220 intersectionality it's like what? I thought we were talking 965 01:07:53,220 --> 01:07:59,610 about us and they do this same swish the sleight of hand trick. 966 01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:02,640 It's like, oh, yeah, black man, you know, goes get sprayed down 967 01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:06,570 by that water hoses and getting bitten by dogs. And then we'll 968 01:08:06,570 --> 01:08:11,880 take that card, cross out race on it, and write in gender or 969 01:08:12,540 --> 01:08:15,240 right so you're describing, you're describing the Democratic 970 01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:18,510 Party right now at the moment Democrat party seems to be doing 971 01:08:18,510 --> 01:08:19,320 a lot of this. 972 01:08:19,830 --> 01:08:24,900 Yes. Yes. And that's why you know what, it's only one word 973 01:08:24,900 --> 01:08:27,840 for it. It's disgusting. And I'm gonna tell people like this, 974 01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:33,030 this is my view on it. White Guilt is disgusting to me. If 975 01:08:33,030 --> 01:08:35,670 you want to atone for something, a town for you know, if you feel 976 01:08:35,670 --> 01:08:38,490 like you need to do something to help out, you know, or you have 977 01:08:38,490 --> 01:08:40,710 something to contribute to somebody you feel you've done 978 01:08:40,710 --> 01:08:43,740 wrong, that's fine. But when you pander to me, I don't care who 979 01:08:43,740 --> 01:08:49,440 you are. When you pander to me. I find that disingenuous. This 980 01:08:49,440 --> 01:08:53,520 is just me personally speaking. It makes me look at you a 981 01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:58,560 certain kind of way. Like why are you doing that? I mean, 982 01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,750 like, what what are your real thoughts? I mean, like, why are 983 01:09:00,750 --> 01:09:03,600 you and it goes in one of the clips you played on the NA show? 984 01:09:04,590 --> 01:09:07,860 When they were like, oh, yeah, we got to take out 30 legals or 985 01:09:08,100 --> 01:09:10,890 not documented immigrants, because Who's Who's gonna clean 986 01:09:10,890 --> 01:09:19,920 our toilets? It's like what? Yeah, you know, so or the 987 01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:23,700 pandering to me, is like, we have to do this for black people 988 01:09:23,700 --> 01:09:27,960 because they can't do it for themselves. Right. I find that 989 01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:30,690 very disingenuous. I'm not saying there's good people out 990 01:09:30,690 --> 01:09:35,040 here with good causes that are genuinely skin in the game but 991 01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:41,100 when you do this thing with just lip service and posting 992 01:09:41,100 --> 01:09:45,210 hashtags, and don't you know, it's just like, oh, you putting 993 01:09:45,210 --> 01:09:50,970 on this badge? It's just I find it very disgusting because what 994 01:09:50,970 --> 01:09:57,180 do you think of me to make you do that? That's just my personal 995 01:09:57,210 --> 01:10:00,810 Be honest with me. Be honest. Say you need to do issue you 996 01:10:00,810 --> 01:10:03,990 asked me to do that? Are you do you know? Are you saying I'm 997 01:10:03,990 --> 01:10:09,720 less than I've grown up with our shatter? If you'd be honest with 998 01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:09,900 me, 999 01:10:09,930 --> 01:10:13,530 well, I don't think anyone likes to be pander to, if you're 1000 01:10:13,530 --> 01:10:14,430 honest about it. 1001 01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:18,390 All they do, though, and we're going to see later in the show, 1002 01:10:18,390 --> 01:10:25,620 oh, they do. So getting back to white guilt 3.2 1003 01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:31,020 just leads to the next phenomenon that is a feature of 1004 01:10:31,230 --> 01:10:37,890 white guilt. And that's dissociation. The only way to 1005 01:10:37,890 --> 01:10:42,120 get away from the stigma of being a racist is to find some 1006 01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:46,920 way to dissociate oneself from the stigma from the image that 1007 01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:51,330 you were, that you are a racist that you did you did you that 1008 01:10:51,330 --> 01:10:56,040 you are like, the whites of old that you still secretly are a 1009 01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:59,220 white supremacist, that you still secretly believe in this, 1010 01:10:59,220 --> 01:11:03,150 that your heart is that you may be smiling, but your heart is 1011 01:11:03,150 --> 01:11:09,960 still committed to racism. And so, again, whites walking around 1012 01:11:09,990 --> 01:11:13,320 under this sort of cloud of suspicion, then have to find 1013 01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:17,190 ways to, to dissociate themselves from that. I think 1014 01:11:17,190 --> 01:11:20,130 the great the first great example of dissociation in 1015 01:11:20,130 --> 01:11:24,840 American life, was President Johnson's Great Society. Why all 1016 01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:30,000 of a sudden, in 1965? Do you do you just say, well, we're going 1017 01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:31,650 to spend billions and billions of dollars, we're going to 1018 01:11:31,650 --> 01:11:33,780 create all kinds of social programs, and we're going to, 1019 01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:36,900 we're going to dump all this money, and we're going to end 1020 01:11:36,900 --> 01:11:41,640 poverty in our time. You create all these all these programs, 1021 01:11:41,670 --> 01:11:46,200 almost all of which, which failed. Certainly, they did not 1022 01:11:46,260 --> 01:11:49,800 eradicate poverty, they did not bring about racial equality. 1023 01:11:50,670 --> 01:11:58,200 They did virtually nothing. But they did dissociate the American 1024 01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:02,430 society and the American government, from the stigma of 1025 01:12:02,430 --> 01:12:03,090 racism. 1026 01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:06,930 Yes, the Great Society. 1027 01:12:09,750 --> 01:12:11,940 This world money at the problem Medicare 1028 01:12:11,940 --> 01:12:15,060 and Medicaid, there was lots of stuff that came out of that. 1029 01:12:15,510 --> 01:12:21,930 Yes, affirmative action was one of them. But it was not a lot of 1030 01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:25,080 thought put into it, it was just throw money at the problem with 1031 01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:27,540 that, make it go away with my mom Association. 1032 01:12:27,780 --> 01:12:32,280 That is the American way. I mean, I have to say, our culture 1033 01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:35,070 as Americans is we do throw money at the problem thinking 1034 01:12:35,370 --> 01:12:36,060 that'll fix it. 1035 01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:40,470 But do you really want to fix the problem? And I'm going to 1036 01:12:40,470 --> 01:12:44,160 bring up example to you homelessness, this is something 1037 01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:47,400 near and dear to your heart? Yes. Do people really want to 1038 01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:51,090 make fix the homeless problem? Or do they make one and not see 1039 01:12:51,090 --> 01:12:51,780 the homeless? 1040 01:12:52,860 --> 01:12:57,690 My experience is, because well, and this is I think this is 1041 01:12:57,690 --> 01:13:05,550 probably what triggered this debate a while ago. Because of a 1042 01:13:05,550 --> 01:13:11,070 it's another version of guilt. We will call it systemic issues, 1043 01:13:11,070 --> 01:13:15,780 whether it's racism or, or institutional inequality, or 1044 01:13:15,780 --> 01:13:19,230 whatever words you want to put towards it. And I'm just talking 1045 01:13:19,260 --> 01:13:23,160 about my own experience here in Austin, Texas, a blue.in, the 1046 01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:27,360 red state, very liberal. And that may or may not have been to 1047 01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:32,820 do with I think it does. And it's, I'm so guilty about what 1048 01:13:32,820 --> 01:13:36,540 the system has done. These people don't have what I have. I 1049 01:13:36,540 --> 01:13:41,640 want to fix it. They don't have a house, my house. That's the 1050 01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:45,630 thinking. So it's not about not even interested, really not even 1051 01:13:45,660 --> 01:13:50,700 interested in how these people became homeless, or what the 1052 01:13:50,700 --> 01:13:56,340 real issues are. And, yeah, not in my backyard. I mean, I was 1053 01:13:56,340 --> 01:13:59,730 talking to Alan Graham, the founder of community, first 1054 01:13:59,730 --> 01:14:03,000 village here in Austin. And he said, if I if I had, if I had 1055 01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:06,990 $1, for every person that said to me, this is so great, what 1056 01:14:06,990 --> 01:14:09,930 you're doing, but could you do it over there? He said, I'd be a 1057 01:14:09,930 --> 01:14:17,010 rich man. And so yes, it's it's not actually it's a shortcut. 1058 01:14:17,010 --> 01:14:19,350 And I think that I have to be honest with you. I think that's 1059 01:14:19,350 --> 01:14:21,930 part of the American culture, which is changeable. And it's 1060 01:14:21,930 --> 01:14:25,410 not everybody, I'm generalizing, but hey, you know, well, if I 1061 01:14:25,410 --> 01:14:28,230 can just pay a little more in taxes, and it'll go away, 1062 01:14:28,230 --> 01:14:32,610 because my dear leader said it would, in this case, I'm talking 1063 01:14:32,610 --> 01:14:36,540 about the mayor or the governor, then that's, that's the level I 1064 01:14:36,540 --> 01:14:39,900 want to go to. And that's great. It's easy for me to talk with my 1065 01:14:39,900 --> 01:14:44,580 pocketbook. That's it's become a way to fix all even though as 1066 01:14:44,610 --> 01:14:46,710 you and I both know, it rarely does. 1067 01:14:48,810 --> 01:14:52,380 For two reasons, one, that people are interested in the 1068 01:14:52,380 --> 01:14:55,470 homeless and I'm not saying all but your general average person. 1069 01:14:56,130 --> 01:14:59,190 No one gave second thought to homeless people and today start 1070 01:14:59,190 --> 01:15:02,580 showing up on there. block. That's right. As long as long as 1071 01:15:02,580 --> 01:15:06,030 there were under the bridge, on the highway or wherever else out 1072 01:15:06,030 --> 01:15:09,840 of sight out of mind, you gave no thought to correct. So one 1073 01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:15,090 your action is out of the wrong motive is to make the problem go 1074 01:15:15,090 --> 01:15:19,830 away, not solve the problem. And then to you don't want you have 1075 01:15:19,830 --> 01:15:23,940 to take action. You don't want to understand the problem and 1076 01:15:23,940 --> 01:15:27,000 create a solution to the problem. What you want to do is 1077 01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:30,360 here this is what's convenient for me. Yeah, throw money at it. 1078 01:15:30,420 --> 01:15:33,600 Throw a hashtag at it. Let me like this. Let me retweet this 1079 01:15:33,750 --> 01:15:38,490 not feel good about it. Do something, you know. Yeah. If 1080 01:15:38,490 --> 01:15:42,180 you if you don't do that, don't say nothing at all. Yeah, I 1081 01:15:42,180 --> 01:15:44,490 mean, it's worse. I mean, because what you do is you make 1082 01:15:44,490 --> 01:15:48,150 a problem seem like it's being addressed when it's really not. 1083 01:15:49,140 --> 01:15:53,460 And just just to add to that, let's move away from homeless in 1084 01:15:53,460 --> 01:15:57,090 a moment. But right now in Austin has got so bad because 1085 01:15:57,090 --> 01:16:01,470 what what Austin did the city council's they said, Okay, you 1086 01:16:01,470 --> 01:16:04,680 can camp sit, lie anywhere you want, except City Hall. Of 1087 01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:08,460 course, that would be crazy. And that brought the problem right 1088 01:16:08,460 --> 01:16:11,280 to people's doorsteps. And then they freaked out. And now the 1089 01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:14,130 conversation is not about it's not even about homelessness 1090 01:16:14,130 --> 01:16:16,650 anymore. It's about how do we get them off the streets? How do 1091 01:16:16,650 --> 01:16:19,770 we get them off the streets? It's sick, 1092 01:16:19,830 --> 01:16:28,230 it's sick. And that's what we did with the Great Society with 1093 01:16:28,620 --> 01:16:34,470 LBJ majors threw money at the problem. But let's listen to the 1094 01:16:34,470 --> 01:16:35,880 triumphs and tragedies of it 1095 01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:40,530 $20 trillion. What would you do with all that money? You could 1096 01:16:40,530 --> 01:16:43,860 pay off the national debt? You could spend a million dollars a 1097 01:16:43,860 --> 01:16:48,210 day for 2000 years and still have trillions left. But could 1098 01:16:48,210 --> 01:16:52,200 you in poverty in America, that was one of the goals of the 1099 01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:56,130 Great Society, President Lyndon Johnson's ambitious plan to 1100 01:16:56,130 --> 01:17:00,330 transform the lives of Americans. The Great Society is 1101 01:17:00,330 --> 01:17:04,710 50 years old. It's been a long historic journey. But are we at 1102 01:17:04,710 --> 01:17:09,300 the end of the road. We'll start by traveling back to 1964 when 1103 01:17:09,300 --> 01:17:14,340 America's prosperity and potential seemed limitless, but 1104 01:17:14,340 --> 01:17:18,120 America had troubling age old problems, like legal 1105 01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:21,780 discrimination, and abject poverty that could no longer be 1106 01:17:21,780 --> 01:17:26,970 tolerated in the increasingly prosperous land of the free. So 1107 01:17:27,030 --> 01:17:31,230 in May of 1964, President Johnson made a big announcement. 1108 01:17:31,889 --> 01:17:35,369 The Great Society rests on abundance and liberty for all. 1109 01:17:35,669 --> 01:17:41,459 It demands an end to poverty, and racial injustice. To which 1110 01:17:41,459 --> 01:17:45,929 we're totally committed in our time, LBJ decided 1111 01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:49,320 that the government with its vast power and the might of the 1112 01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:53,100 National Treasury would steer us towards a better place. 1113 01:17:53,670 --> 01:17:58,290 The challenge of the next half century is whether we have the 1114 01:17:58,290 --> 01:18:03,210 wisdom to use that wealth, to enrich and elevate our national 1115 01:18:03,210 --> 01:18:09,180 life and to advance the quality of our American civilization. 1116 01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:15,210 Johnson's plan into the south Jim Crow laws, no more whites, 1117 01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:19,110 only lunch counters, colored water fountains, and sitting at 1118 01:18:19,110 --> 01:18:23,730 the back of the bus. landmark legislation like the Civil 1119 01:18:23,730 --> 01:18:28,770 Rights Act of 1964, and the 1965 Voting Rights Act were 1120 01:18:28,770 --> 01:18:31,980 tremendous achievements that did away with legalized racial 1121 01:18:31,980 --> 01:18:36,570 discrimination. Today, we stand closer to being the colorblind 1122 01:18:36,570 --> 01:18:40,770 society that Johnson envisions but we're still trying to level 1123 01:18:40,770 --> 01:18:44,040 the playing field with affirmative action policies that 1124 01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:45,900 themselves aren't colorblind. 1125 01:18:46,410 --> 01:18:49,950 Big Voice to talk about colorblind is we're a colorblind 1126 01:18:49,950 --> 01:18:52,590 society, which you can say that's racist to say these 1127 01:18:52,590 --> 01:18:52,980 things. 1128 01:18:53,700 --> 01:18:56,490 But why would we want to be a colorblind society? That's 1129 01:18:56,490 --> 01:18:58,830 a very, it's not a great question. It's a very good 1130 01:18:58,830 --> 01:19:01,230 question. I don't want to be colorblind. 1131 01:19:01,380 --> 01:19:07,500 I agree. Well, let me ask you this question. If you're 1132 01:19:07,500 --> 01:19:12,510 colorblind, what do you see in gray, or black and white raised? 1133 01:19:13,230 --> 01:19:14,760 Brands? Makes the wood 1134 01:19:15,090 --> 01:19:18,450 black and white? That's right. Yeah, exactly. 1135 01:19:18,660 --> 01:19:21,750 That's how they're gonna bring about the colorblind society. We 1136 01:19:21,750 --> 01:19:25,530 spoke about this before. It's like, hey, this makes them all 1137 01:19:25,530 --> 01:19:28,860 up, get rid of get rid of cultures. Get rid you know, 1138 01:19:28,860 --> 01:19:34,710 that's that's the solution. But it's, like I say, I find it 1139 01:19:34,710 --> 01:19:37,080 troubling that people just want they don't want to address the 1140 01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:39,540 problem. If you don't want to address it, don't address it. 1141 01:19:39,900 --> 01:19:43,050 But there's hope. There's always hope. 1142 01:19:43,140 --> 01:19:46,980 Oh, I'm sitting up straight. All right. I'm ready for 1143 01:19:46,980 --> 01:19:54,420 my orders. For all the people out there that are riddled with 1144 01:19:54,630 --> 01:20:01,050 white guilt. There's kits where you Really? 1145 01:20:01,860 --> 01:20:02,790 Yes 1146 01:20:04,830 --> 01:20:08,490 there are subscription boxes for everything these days between 1147 01:20:08,490 --> 01:20:14,220 men's wear makeup, dog toys, and now to women are hoping a box 1148 01:20:14,250 --> 01:20:19,590 delivered once a month can alleviate white guilt. But as 1149 01:20:19,590 --> 01:20:22,980 Evan McMorris Santoro discovered, it won't come cheap 1150 01:20:26,310 --> 01:20:29,070 Barry element is a rabbi and professor of Jewish Studies who 1151 01:20:29,070 --> 01:20:32,220 lives in Park Slope Brooklyn. Bears holiday gift hall this 1152 01:20:32,220 --> 01:20:35,910 year include something for herself, the safety pin box, a 1153 01:20:35,910 --> 01:20:38,970 new monthly subscription service designed to wake up white people 1154 01:20:38,970 --> 01:20:43,080 to the realities of being black in America. plans start at $25 1155 01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:44,880 and go all the way up to 100 a month. 1156 01:20:44,970 --> 01:20:50,700 Okay. Wait a minute. What what is safety pin? What is what is 1157 01:20:50,700 --> 01:20:52,020 going on? Where's this from? What's 1158 01:20:52,020 --> 01:20:56,430 it? What is this? This is vice. Oh, of course 1159 01:20:56,460 --> 01:21:00,480 vice the virtue signaling SJW advertising agency 1160 01:21:00,660 --> 01:21:04,620 and it is real white guilt kids. 1161 01:21:06,780 --> 01:21:08,490 All right. I'm listening. 1162 01:21:09,630 --> 01:21:11,250 White guilt kids to 1163 01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:14,310 are you getting that feeling of like unboxing that exciting 1164 01:21:14,310 --> 01:21:15,570 feeling of like a gift. 1165 01:21:16,260 --> 01:21:19,350 It's not so much as a gift. But it's kind of exciting that it's, 1166 01:21:19,650 --> 01:21:21,810 I feel like I'm getting ready to learn like I don't know Mission 1167 01:21:21,810 --> 01:21:23,760 Impossible, but my job is supposed to be 1168 01:21:25,110 --> 01:21:27,810 the safety pin is the Make America Great Again hat for 1169 01:21:27,810 --> 01:21:30,300 white people who want to show the world they didn't vote for 1170 01:21:30,300 --> 01:21:33,120 Trump. After an election that progression is believed hinged 1171 01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:36,810 on racism. The safety pin is meant to display that the wearer 1172 01:21:36,810 --> 01:21:40,050 is a safe white person. The trend quickly became 1173 01:21:40,050 --> 01:21:43,680 commercialized. Now you can find designer safety pins online for 1174 01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:47,670 over $300 organizers, Marissa Johnson and Leslie Mack they can 1175 01:21:47,670 --> 01:21:51,240 use all this white guilt for good and capitalize on it at the 1176 01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:53,190 same time. Wow. 1177 01:21:53,220 --> 01:21:56,550 This is Ultimate virtue signaling with a safety pin. 1178 01:21:56,580 --> 01:21:57,450 Nice. 1179 01:21:58,380 --> 01:22:02,400 It's not just a safety pin. It's a whole kit monthly kit. 1180 01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:07,590 Monthly month. So you can get monthly. Oh, it's my monthly 1181 01:22:07,590 --> 01:22:08,340 reminder. 1182 01:22:09,270 --> 01:22:10,560 Yeah. 1183 01:22:13,260 --> 01:22:15,450 This is this serious? Is this really 1184 01:22:15,510 --> 01:22:18,000 this is as a heart attack. 1185 01:22:18,330 --> 01:22:21,000 This is not like National Lampoon or the onion, 1186 01:22:21,450 --> 01:22:27,090 HBO vice brother. Okay, it's three. It's an 1187 01:22:27,090 --> 01:22:30,450 agreed to safety pin box. The plan is to make some profit, 1188 01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:34,200 while also giving grants to black women activists. I went to 1189 01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:36,390 Grand Rapids to watch the first set of boxes get packed in 1190 01:22:36,390 --> 01:22:37,200 Leslie's house. 1191 01:22:38,130 --> 01:22:42,060 That's a good idea. That is actually a really good idea. 1192 01:22:43,590 --> 01:22:47,820 This is sort of the epicenter of white guilt is the white middle 1193 01:22:47,820 --> 01:22:53,250 aged mom who voted for Hillary but saw Trump win on the back of 1194 01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:56,040 the white women vote Yeah, that's where the money that's 1195 01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:56,370 that's 1196 01:22:56,370 --> 01:23:00,540 where that's where the need is. I wouldn't say the money but it 1197 01:23:00,540 --> 01:23:00,870 is whether 1198 01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:03,660 you're a business first. Yeah, that's where the cash is. Right? 1199 01:23:03,690 --> 01:23:05,280 That's where the money is. Well, the cash 1200 01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:08,340 is in all the white people's wallets. So I'm not 1201 01:23:08,340 --> 01:23:11,460 discriminate. I'm not discriminating about about whose 1202 01:23:11,460 --> 01:23:14,970 wallet. Exactly yeah, but I will say that that's that's where the 1203 01:23:14,970 --> 01:23:16,950 need exists. That's where the desire is. 1204 01:23:17,010 --> 01:23:20,220 I told you it's the American way. Fix it with money. It's 1205 01:23:20,220 --> 01:23:23,640 this is disgusting. Now, when you watch this, after you crack 1206 01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:25,650 up laughing, how do you really feel about it? 1207 01:23:29,580 --> 01:23:35,730 I feel sad for the people buying the box. And I feel mad at the 1208 01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:40,740 people creating the bots because what it does is trivialize. But 1209 01:23:40,770 --> 01:23:48,090 this is the social justice warrior way. The people that we 1210 01:23:48,090 --> 01:23:51,510 see and we saw this on the show many a time they're able to 1211 01:23:51,510 --> 01:24:00,150 monetize their movement for personal gain. So yeah, but I'll 1212 01:24:00,150 --> 01:24:02,880 feel sorry. Obviously, this woman's dealing with their boss, 1213 01:24:02,910 --> 01:24:06,300 this boss is dealing with something to seek out 1214 01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:17,100 to seek out a way to not identify. Let's just say what is 1215 01:24:17,100 --> 01:24:18,360 Trump derangement syndrome? 1216 01:24:18,390 --> 01:24:27,660 Yeah, yes, it's, it's okay. So people have been trained, I'll 1217 01:24:27,660 --> 01:24:33,270 put it that way that Trump won the election. Well, there's many 1218 01:24:33,270 --> 01:24:36,030 reasons he won. We know the Russians. We know that, you 1219 01:24:36,030 --> 01:24:39,180 know, there's many different things that are of course true. 1220 01:24:39,390 --> 01:24:44,010 But above all, it was racism. So now the only way to combat Trump 1221 01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:48,330 is to combat racism somehow and people are going along with it. 1222 01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:51,150 I mean, it's very effective. The triggers that they're putting 1223 01:24:51,150 --> 01:24:54,630 into this into the marketing of this idea. And look at the 1224 01:24:54,630 --> 01:24:57,810 target. They're going after women who voted for Hillary but 1225 01:24:57,810 --> 01:25:01,350 saw other white women who voted for Hillary but saw other white 1226 01:25:01,350 --> 01:25:03,180 women voting for Trump. 1227 01:25:03,810 --> 01:25:06,510 And I think in the clip before they said, Oh, older white 1228 01:25:06,510 --> 01:25:06,960 women. 1229 01:25:07,710 --> 01:25:09,210 Yeah middle aged or older, yes, 1230 01:25:09,210 --> 01:25:15,120 middle a middle age. So that put you know, but they a lot of 1231 01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:18,660 these people grew up like me at the beginnings of the silver 1232 01:25:18,660 --> 01:25:22,410 rights like me absolutely all the work all the work we put 1233 01:25:22,410 --> 01:25:26,580 into these, it's now back again in a box. All the work that's 1234 01:25:26,580 --> 01:25:32,190 been put in Mo is now fixable in a box of safety pins. Yes, kits 1235 01:25:32,190 --> 01:25:32,550 for 1236 01:25:34,110 --> 01:25:38,100 sure what's in the box. Oh, verifies lesson plans and tasks 1237 01:25:38,100 --> 01:25:42,060 to complete. Some tasks are simple, like give Black people 1238 01:25:42,060 --> 01:25:45,360 higher tips. Others are harder. This method 1239 01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:48,300 safety pin box, we are focused on learning about and practicing 1240 01:25:48,300 --> 01:25:51,480 radical compassion. It's nice as a part of combating whites in 1241 01:25:51,480 --> 01:25:55,290 prisons, white supremacy, you do three things every week one is 1242 01:25:55,290 --> 01:25:59,220 directed towards this. In this case, black elderly one is 1243 01:25:59,220 --> 01:26:01,530 directed towards the over incarcerated and this one's 1244 01:26:01,530 --> 01:26:04,140 media this week, I take a look at the media I consume on a 1245 01:26:04,140 --> 01:26:07,200 regular basis and evaluate it for bias and worthiness 1246 01:26:07,350 --> 01:26:09,900 to it wouldn't be them sitting here in your house in Park 1247 01:26:09,900 --> 01:26:12,090 Slope. And I'm wondering if these boxes are going to end up 1248 01:26:12,090 --> 01:26:14,490 like you know how New Yorkers get stuck at people's houses? 1249 01:26:14,490 --> 01:26:16,830 Like, I'm sure there's some New Yorkers in this house somewhere? 1250 01:26:16,860 --> 01:26:17,160 Yes, there 1251 01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:20,160 are we read them however we read them. No, that's a very good 1252 01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:23,910 point. And if I have to admit that at that, also, I thought 1253 01:26:23,910 --> 01:26:24,420 about that. 1254 01:26:24,660 --> 01:26:27,900 So there's an aspect of this box. It's kind of like, this is 1255 01:26:27,900 --> 01:26:30,840 inviting. This is the black woman you invite into your house 1256 01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:33,330 every month. Yeah, certain aspects of this way I really 1257 01:26:33,330 --> 01:26:33,570 thought 1258 01:26:33,570 --> 01:26:40,380 of it is that it embarrasses me honestly that I just don't have 1259 01:26:40,380 --> 01:26:45,870 a world where I am. Have I encounter naturally. People of 1260 01:26:45,870 --> 01:26:46,320 color. 1261 01:26:48,450 --> 01:26:53,100 A bit. I'll bet you she just doesn't see him. It's worse. But 1262 01:26:53,100 --> 01:26:53,430 who 1263 01:26:53,430 --> 01:26:58,980 are you? virtue signaling to? If you don't encounter black people 1264 01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:04,320 to have to wear a safety pin? Yeah, just white people. Now you 1265 01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:09,870 see, and that goes back to the cupcake thing. The German donut. 1266 01:27:11,820 --> 01:27:14,520 Well, we didn't we didn't explain that yet. 1267 01:27:15,299 --> 01:27:22,019 No. Okay, I sent out a tweet. It had a chocolate doughnut. It was 1268 01:27:22,019 --> 01:27:29,579 a German Sign. And a woman put in star star star star donut. 1269 01:27:30,659 --> 01:27:34,949 And it's in Germany. Right? I sent it to Adam says, What does 1270 01:27:34,949 --> 01:27:41,099 this mean? Because I did this. And I was I was almost got Yes, 1271 01:27:41,099 --> 01:27:42,719 because I've seen a fib star. 1272 01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:50,220 Right. And it actually said it was actually a train conductor. 1273 01:27:50,220 --> 01:27:53,430 I think they called it a train conductor or something. But what 1274 01:27:53,430 --> 01:27:57,120 I was able to explain is historically, in Germany, they 1275 01:27:57,120 --> 01:28:03,210 have a couple of treats that the one that I'm most familiar with, 1276 01:28:03,480 --> 01:28:06,960 is called a naked zoom, which is a negro kiss. And it's like a 1277 01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:10,380 big black thing filled with a creamy middle. Now of course, 1278 01:28:10,740 --> 01:28:15,690 you can debate whether that's racist or not, but in German, en 1279 01:28:15,690 --> 01:28:21,630 E G, E R ne her is not derogatory, where Srivatsa and 1280 01:28:21,630 --> 01:28:24,480 you've heard this probably from Yiddish or Jewish that's very 1281 01:28:24,480 --> 01:28:27,780 derogatory. So if a German says SHVARTS, that's racist if you 1282 01:28:27,780 --> 01:28:32,550 say nature, it's it's not appropriate probably anymore for 1283 01:28:32,700 --> 01:28:35,670 for this entry, but it's been around for a long, long time. 1284 01:28:35,910 --> 01:28:39,150 And if you looked at the she just had the N word, but in with 1285 01:28:40,290 --> 01:28:42,030 with four stars are not 1286 01:28:43,620 --> 01:28:48,810 the reason why that is. If I read it with five stars, that's 1287 01:28:48,810 --> 01:28:54,090 right. So just to show you I'm not even above this, why don't 1288 01:28:54,090 --> 01:28:57,270 do social media for one and I only do it for the benefit of 1289 01:28:57,540 --> 01:29:02,520 promoting the show. But to what else is subjecting my are 1290 01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:07,260 subjecting myself to social media for you guys? Yes. But I 1291 01:29:07,260 --> 01:29:07,680 was 1292 01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:12,660 almost triggered. It's easy. It's easy. It's easy. And we 1293 01:29:13,110 --> 01:29:15,990 so just to set the picture up, you have this little chocolate 1294 01:29:15,990 --> 01:29:21,810 man, cupcake face, with little pink lips, not overly large lips 1295 01:29:21,810 --> 01:29:24,510 for the people thinking black face, but she made allusions to 1296 01:29:24,510 --> 01:29:27,330 black face. Yeah, it just looks like a little chocolate cupcake 1297 01:29:27,330 --> 01:29:32,250 with two eyes and brown hair and chocolate. I mean, it was brown 1298 01:29:32,250 --> 01:29:38,070 hair were sprinkles. But what triggered me was I read five 1299 01:29:38,070 --> 01:29:42,420 stars, not in five stars, not four stars. And then I was like, 1300 01:29:42,570 --> 01:29:46,860 is that what the the sign says on the cupcake because I had a 1301 01:29:46,860 --> 01:29:50,340 little title to the cupcake where they end up being tranq. 1302 01:29:50,340 --> 01:29:54,750 And what that does just go to show you can be triggered it's 1303 01:29:54,750 --> 01:30:00,600 easy for sure. But But who does the virtue signaling Who does 1304 01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:04,470 this retweeting of this? Most of the time is is not, it's not 1305 01:30:04,470 --> 01:30:09,270 black people to go around and do a white guilt, or white average 1306 01:30:09,270 --> 01:30:14,250 everyday black people, white people. All right, so there's 1307 01:30:14,250 --> 01:30:15,960 one more clip catspaw. 1308 01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:18,510 So what is it about white people that, that they also require you 1309 01:30:18,510 --> 01:30:23,310 to give them a box of things to do? Why? Why are you the check? 1310 01:30:23,340 --> 01:30:23,580 Yeah, I 1311 01:30:23,580 --> 01:30:25,770 mean, you could just write the check, I think for us when it's 1312 01:30:25,770 --> 01:30:28,590 about actually providing a service that people are asking 1313 01:30:28,590 --> 01:30:31,800 for. So there's a market. And that's really when we talk about 1314 01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:34,020 it being a business. It's a business model, because there's, 1315 01:30:34,050 --> 01:30:36,720 there's a need. And I say all the time, like, had white people 1316 01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:38,910 got their shit together and actually provided this for 1317 01:30:38,910 --> 01:30:41,280 themselves. We wouldn't have a business model right now. But 1318 01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:44,220 they haven't. So here we are providing the service for them. 1319 01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:48,090 The most radical politics or sometimes the simplest ones, 1320 01:30:48,870 --> 01:30:52,080 it's 18 boxes message to guilty whites. If you want to do 1321 01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:54,690 something, put money in a black woman's pocket. 1322 01:30:54,900 --> 01:30:58,890 And I just would say, you know, we never pretended to be 1323 01:30:58,890 --> 01:31:01,050 anything but radical black women. And so we're going to do 1324 01:31:01,050 --> 01:31:02,850 some radical shit. We'll see what happens. 1325 01:31:03,660 --> 01:31:04,860 Assaulting 1326 01:31:04,860 --> 01:31:16,170 man, you or me? Both. So yeah, ain't got to go back to the 1327 01:31:16,170 --> 01:31:21,630 conversation you had about on your best behavior. Don't ask 1328 01:31:21,630 --> 01:31:29,340 for anything. So this goes totally against what ordinary 1329 01:31:29,340 --> 01:31:33,750 everyday black people were taught. Growing up. You don't 1330 01:31:33,750 --> 01:31:35,400 never seem like you need something. 1331 01:31:37,020 --> 01:31:39,900 Right. So if someone then looks at you and says, Well, you're 1332 01:31:39,900 --> 01:31:41,970 black seems like you need something. Hey, let me put some 1333 01:31:41,970 --> 01:31:45,720 money in your pocket black lady. That must be just incredibly 1334 01:31:45,750 --> 01:31:46,620 insulting. 1335 01:31:47,490 --> 01:31:50,310 I will be highly insulted. But the fact that she building a 1336 01:31:50,310 --> 01:31:52,830 business model off of this is just, 1337 01:31:53,850 --> 01:31:58,590 oh, I got a memo to self cancel HB Oh, okay. All right. 1338 01:31:59,580 --> 01:32:03,450 Crazy. I'm feeling triggered right now, please. Okay, what 1339 01:32:03,450 --> 01:32:14,430 more do you want? Sorry. Why? Why would you do that? You know, 1340 01:32:14,430 --> 01:32:18,180 how bad that is? For the people. And I want to make this clear. 1341 01:32:19,350 --> 01:32:23,010 There's people out here that's doing legit work on the ground. 1342 01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:29,520 Trying to bring about and correct the problems of have 1343 01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:33,780 they? Yeah, the problems of they? What, when people see 1344 01:32:33,780 --> 01:32:40,920 this, he is totally destabilizes and deflates what they're trying 1345 01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:43,500 to do. The actual legit people 1346 01:32:43,620 --> 01:32:46,020 out there. Yeah, of course. And these people are not fighting 1347 01:32:46,020 --> 01:32:48,240 the real issue. They're not fighting the real white 1348 01:32:48,240 --> 01:32:52,950 supremacy, the real ruling class, the One World Government, 1349 01:32:52,950 --> 01:32:56,850 they're, they're fighting each other over stupidity. They're 1350 01:32:56,850 --> 01:33:00,120 mimicking it. Even better. Yes, you're right. 1351 01:33:01,710 --> 01:33:08,190 So where would they learn something like this from? Well, 1352 01:33:08,190 --> 01:33:09,180 like you're dangerous. 1353 01:33:09,390 --> 01:33:12,930 But the Civil Rights establishment, which has 1354 01:33:12,930 --> 01:33:18,060 rigidify gotten worse. Jesse Jackson used to be when back in 1355 01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:21,660 the the early 70s. I used to go to his operation push in 1356 01:33:21,660 --> 01:33:25,110 Chicago. And he was talking about turning the TV off at home 1357 01:33:25,110 --> 01:33:27,510 and, and keeping the family together and assisting on 1358 01:33:27,510 --> 01:33:31,200 homework at all and reading and had had a book rental program 1359 01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:37,080 and all that he was great. He says none of that now. And he 1360 01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:41,610 gets so much money and attention from manipulating white guilt. 1361 01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:45,540 And he's so good at it. I mean, he's is it's just he's a 1362 01:33:45,540 --> 01:33:52,020 virtuoso of it. He has gotten billions of dollars from 1363 01:33:52,020 --> 01:33:57,120 American corporations, who he threatens to stigmatize if they 1364 01:33:57,120 --> 01:34:02,550 don't pay up. And when you rewarding somebody with billions 1365 01:34:02,550 --> 01:34:08,010 of dollars, it's hard to break that habit. So, you know, he's a 1366 01:34:08,010 --> 01:34:11,730 good example of where white guilt really is a dangerous 1367 01:34:11,730 --> 01:34:11,970 thing. 1368 01:34:13,650 --> 01:34:16,950 Yeah, yes. And this is a business model carried on by 1369 01:34:16,950 --> 01:34:20,250 Reverend Al Sharpton and who was the new guy behind on the we 1370 01:34:20,250 --> 01:34:22,410 were talking about in the show called leprosy. Right, 1371 01:34:22,410 --> 01:34:25,920 McKesson? Yeah. And I'm Shaun King. 1372 01:34:25,950 --> 01:34:29,550 Yes. Well, DeRay. Now there was someone else. 1373 01:34:29,879 --> 01:34:32,969 It was Shaun King there we're fighting over. Right, right. 1374 01:34:34,199 --> 01:34:35,219 Turf beef, right. 1375 01:34:37,380 --> 01:34:42,510 This is now Dvorak, and I've called this out on no agenda 1376 01:34:42,510 --> 01:34:46,140 many times going back, you know, a decade that this is what this 1377 01:34:46,140 --> 01:34:50,520 guy is doing. But never really we always looked at it from the 1378 01:34:50,700 --> 01:34:56,370 despicable enrichment that he's doing for himself, and probably 1379 01:34:56,370 --> 01:34:59,730 just stayed away from the race argument. But of course, it's 1380 01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:06,360 the Here's exactly what what it is it's abusing racial history 1381 01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:11,130 for his own good and and honestly, man, I see a lot of 1382 01:35:11,130 --> 01:35:17,970 black people fawning over, over both these reverence. And that 1383 01:35:17,970 --> 01:35:18,930 to me is disgusting. 1384 01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:26,400 Kiwa reverend? Yeah, yes, yes, yes. Reverend Michael Eric 1385 01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:31,080 Dyson, he's another one. When you get into that. 1386 01:35:33,630 --> 01:35:37,440 Who? Who was it? Because I know that we we've either talked 1387 01:35:37,440 --> 01:35:39,150 about it or you sent me something I read about it 1388 01:35:39,150 --> 01:35:43,290 someone it was somewhere as long as that we should get the get 1389 01:35:43,290 --> 01:35:48,570 the reverence ah. Ah, was that Margaret Sanger? Aha. That's 1390 01:35:48,570 --> 01:35:52,350 right, the founder of Planned Parenthood and the American 1391 01:35:52,350 --> 01:35:55,890 eugenics society. Not in that order. Yes. That the one and 1392 01:35:55,890 --> 01:36:03,240 only she's saying another white person of the definitely the 1393 01:36:03,240 --> 01:36:05,910 white supremacy I'm sure that she was a part of that. 1394 01:36:06,420 --> 01:36:10,140 Yes. And Planned Parenthood itself is part of that system. I 1395 01:36:10,140 --> 01:36:16,500 mean, she's to be I mean, so. And that's what the weird what 1396 01:36:16,500 --> 01:36:21,990 they call a weird Flex is you got liberals on the same side of 1397 01:36:21,990 --> 01:36:25,470 these organizations that are historically bad for the people 1398 01:36:25,470 --> 01:36:29,310 that you claim to represent. So it's like, it sends your mind 1399 01:36:29,340 --> 01:36:30,900 into these crazy like, 1400 01:36:31,110 --> 01:36:34,560 a brain freeze, a brain freeze. You can't short you can't brush 1401 01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:36,540 short, short circuit. Exactly. 1402 01:36:37,140 --> 01:36:39,390 And when you talk to people, it's like, don't you see this? 1403 01:36:39,390 --> 01:36:45,360 And we have, I might have links and YouTube videos and copies of 1404 01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:47,670 quotes and it's like, I don't get it. And then they tell you I 1405 01:36:47,670 --> 01:36:52,200 had I have to vote I can't not vote. Right? I can't. Anyhow, 1406 01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:57,900 our I can't you don't have option. Because one is a solid 1407 01:36:58,080 --> 01:37:01,440 one as black people you can't not vote. And then two, you 1408 01:37:01,440 --> 01:37:05,400 can't vote Republican so you don't have a choice. So then you 1409 01:37:05,400 --> 01:37:08,520 just live with this. And then you have people speaking on your 1410 01:37:08,520 --> 01:37:13,590 behalf gaining the benefits and resources as we've seen with the 1411 01:37:13,590 --> 01:37:17,910 people in this white kid kit guilt, a white guilt kids and 1412 01:37:17,910 --> 01:37:22,020 then learn from the behavior from the Jesse Jackson's of the 1413 01:37:22,020 --> 01:37:26,250 world. And then the money never reaches us. And we're like, 1414 01:37:26,790 --> 01:37:32,730 what the hell and the just stopping for a second. And I'll 1415 01:37:32,730 --> 01:37:36,000 Sharpton is more in the picture now with this business model 1416 01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:42,570 than Jesse Jackson. The fawning and the authority assigned to 1417 01:37:42,570 --> 01:37:47,880 this this nincompoop this this seriously illiterate man he 1418 01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:55,200 cannot speak a single word properly. is unbelievable. I see 1419 01:37:55,200 --> 01:37:58,500 it. I've always had what why? Why up and of course, I was in 1420 01:37:58,500 --> 01:38:01,620 New York with the Toronto Brawley case. You know, when Al 1421 01:38:01,620 --> 01:38:06,240 Sharpton was five times the Al Sharpton he is now in size. It 1422 01:38:06,240 --> 01:38:11,490 was the whole thing. His whole career has been baffling to me. 1423 01:38:11,820 --> 01:38:16,770 And the media part of the we'll call it the the white supremacy 1424 01:38:16,770 --> 01:38:25,050 establishment. Because it is in lockstep. It's disturbing. It's 1425 01:38:25,050 --> 01:38:26,610 always been disturbing to me. 1426 01:38:27,240 --> 01:38:31,830 But it's not baffling to me because of one word, activation. 1427 01:38:34,230 --> 01:38:39,720 If you can activate the vote, that's all that matters, to 1428 01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:43,890 activate the streets, and that's what he meant. He was actually 1429 01:38:43,890 --> 01:38:46,950 more successful than Jesse Jackson because Jesse Jackson 1430 01:38:46,950 --> 01:38:49,410 actually did come up somewhat through the Civil Rights 1431 01:38:49,410 --> 01:38:54,270 Movement, where Al Sharpton he was more of like a kind of 1432 01:38:54,270 --> 01:38:55,350 Street guy. Yeah, it's 1433 01:38:55,350 --> 01:38:56,280 a hood law. 1434 01:38:56,700 --> 01:38:57,150 Right? 1435 01:38:57,210 --> 01:39:00,300 He was FBI informant. He's all kinds of crazy this guy's no 1436 01:39:00,300 --> 01:39:01,500 good He's a gangster. 1437 01:39:02,160 --> 01:39:07,290 Right but he can activate the streets. And MSNBC saw that he 1438 01:39:07,290 --> 01:39:13,380 had a skill set that they could they could exploit and he and he 1439 01:39:13,380 --> 01:39:18,330 used it. But getting back to the white guilt ridden people. I 1440 01:39:18,330 --> 01:39:21,300 know the men and the women are feeling left out. I mean, men 1441 01:39:21,300 --> 01:39:26,610 are feeling left out. Because we have white guilt kits for women. 1442 01:39:27,240 --> 01:39:31,200 And for men we are we have something for you. 1443 01:39:31,440 --> 01:39:36,330 It's very rare to be a black femme whipping a white man My 1444 01:39:36,330 --> 01:39:39,480 name is mistress velvet. I've been a dominatrix for four years 1445 01:39:39,480 --> 01:39:48,300 and a goddess my whole life the core of my domination style is 1446 01:39:48,300 --> 01:39:53,580 that I forced slaves to read Black from this theory. My very 1447 01:39:53,580 --> 01:39:58,680 first Slave I had ended up being like you are such a nice kind 1448 01:39:58,680 --> 01:40:02,070 and smart person but you will Ever Vietnam, and that like, 1449 01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:04,110 really upset me 1450 01:40:09,990 --> 01:40:12,510 and I was like, No, I don't want any white man telling me that 1451 01:40:12,510 --> 01:40:15,300 there's something I can't do. And so that kind of pushed me to 1452 01:40:15,300 --> 01:40:18,960 like do a lot of research around BDSM and kind of cultivate 1453 01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:21,210 myself as a DOM and what that meant for me. 1454 01:40:22,860 --> 01:40:25,470 Is this also from HBO, Where's this coming from? 1455 01:40:25,740 --> 01:40:26,580 Buzzfeed. 1456 01:40:29,250 --> 01:40:34,230 So let me get this straight. So it's black women who dominate 1457 01:40:34,260 --> 01:40:39,510 BDSM with I guess, bondage and, and whips, etc, and, and 1458 01:40:39,540 --> 01:40:44,160 domination, white men because they need that and that they it 1459 01:40:44,160 --> 01:40:45,090 makes them feel good. 1460 01:40:45,809 --> 01:40:48,869 Not only that, but she makes them read black feminist books. 1461 01:40:49,349 --> 01:40:50,189 He was that part. 1462 01:40:54,390 --> 01:41:00,180 Ah, now I know what they say by making America great again. Pay 1463 01:41:00,180 --> 01:41:00,570 to 1464 01:41:01,740 --> 01:41:05,640 how it all started in terms of me kind of like now building a 1465 01:41:05,640 --> 01:41:10,680 curriculum of black feminist theory for slaves was one slave 1466 01:41:10,710 --> 01:41:14,940 came into our sessions with a lot of emotional baggage and 1467 01:41:14,940 --> 01:41:17,580 lots of white guilt. And so I just turned to the people I 1468 01:41:17,580 --> 01:41:20,370 trust, I turned to Patricia Hill, Collins and Audrey Lorde. 1469 01:41:20,370 --> 01:41:22,920 And was like, these are some texts and readings that have 1470 01:41:22,920 --> 01:41:25,560 been really powerful for me and shaped my thinking around 1471 01:41:25,560 --> 01:41:28,230 things. Why don't you try reading Audrey Lorde. And see 1472 01:41:28,230 --> 01:41:31,110 like, how it makes you feel. And while you're at it write me like 1473 01:41:31,110 --> 01:41:35,820 1000 words, I couldn't even look at an essay. If you could pull 1474 01:41:35,820 --> 01:41:39,150 it up on your phone. Could you bring me my phone, I will 1475 01:41:39,150 --> 01:41:45,000 probably read this last paragraph of this essay that I 1476 01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:48,690 got yesterday. I am very aware of the real capacity and 1477 01:41:48,690 --> 01:41:52,530 potential of black women. Not only physical, but intellectual 1478 01:41:52,530 --> 01:41:55,770 and emotional. It is my obligation to pass this 1479 01:41:55,770 --> 01:41:59,280 knowledge to as many people as possible, making the word of 1480 01:41:59,280 --> 01:42:05,220 mistress velvet a fact and rule among Latin males to the 1481 01:42:05,220 --> 01:42:08,370 knowledge passing spreading the knowledge of mistress velvet 1482 01:42:08,370 --> 01:42:10,590 across the world. Kind of funny. 1483 01:42:11,429 --> 01:42:17,309 Nice touch to bring in the Latinos. Nice touch. 1484 01:42:17,790 --> 01:42:22,920 Very nice touch. So man, do you realize what you're hearing 1485 01:42:22,950 --> 01:42:23,460 Adam? 1486 01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:26,760 I'm hearing some crazy shit is what I'm hearing right here. 1487 01:42:27,240 --> 01:42:29,940 This is what this is guilt gone bad man. This 1488 01:42:29,940 --> 01:42:33,480 is very low. Go away. This is keeping it real goes wrong. 1489 01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:42,060 Exactly. Holy crap. What we're hearing is a white man is paying 1490 01:42:42,090 --> 01:42:48,420 a white a black woman. So as a form of power structure in 1491 01:42:48,420 --> 01:42:55,530 itself. Yeah. To pretend that she has power over him to grid 1492 01:42:55,530 --> 01:43:01,020 him of his guilt. Which is the catch all, 1493 01:43:01,290 --> 01:43:04,320 which he's paying for which really makes the circle 1494 01:43:04,320 --> 01:43:06,390 completely round and changes nothing. 1495 01:43:07,110 --> 01:43:16,290 Which actually says he's in power. Yes. Oh, man. That's just 1496 01:43:17,190 --> 01:43:21,300 I know, I know, a sec sales. But just for that purpose of that. I 1497 01:43:21,300 --> 01:43:24,210 had to add the clip in the show. Because he's like, What? How 1498 01:43:24,210 --> 01:43:30,960 Don't you realize he's paying you? Yeah, to play alone in the 1499 01:43:31,140 --> 01:43:33,150 capacity that he wants you to play along 1500 01:43:33,180 --> 01:43:36,780 to make to make him feel good for 30 minutes or an hour or 1501 01:43:36,780 --> 01:43:38,820 whatever he's paying for. And then go on. 1502 01:43:39,510 --> 01:43:40,620 Homework last Yeah. 1503 01:43:43,950 --> 01:43:45,570 We laugh but it's so sad. 1504 01:43:46,680 --> 01:43:50,460 Sad if he had lab to keep them crying. Yeah. Oh, they pay 1505 01:43:50,460 --> 01:43:50,820 three. 1506 01:43:50,820 --> 01:43:53,460 Yes, please. I need more of this. What mistress 1507 01:43:53,820 --> 01:44:00,270 helped me see with the black feminist theory and readings was 1508 01:44:00,330 --> 01:44:06,480 how much deeper? Everything goes and how much deeper and how much 1509 01:44:06,480 --> 01:44:10,800 more I owe. Being a white man and benefiting from this system 1510 01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:16,140 of privilege and oppression. I definitely fetishized mistress. 1511 01:44:16,290 --> 01:44:20,700 At first. I've done a lot of work to really try to unpack 1512 01:44:20,700 --> 01:44:23,580 that and unlearn. The fetishization 1513 01:44:23,790 --> 01:44:27,210 for those that have like a weird fetish of like blackness and 1514 01:44:27,210 --> 01:44:30,780 black women. They're gonna really eat that up. And so I 1515 01:44:30,780 --> 01:44:34,770 kind of have this like, weird dual relationship with my 1516 01:44:34,770 --> 01:44:39,060 fetishization where I use it to get clients. But then I want to 1517 01:44:39,060 --> 01:44:41,910 process through it with them as well. I remember one time I went 1518 01:44:41,910 --> 01:44:45,150 to a play party, and I opened the door and this white person 1519 01:44:45,150 --> 01:44:47,490 says, Hey, you want to be my slave? I'm just like, 1520 01:44:47,670 --> 01:44:51,240 immediately blown away about like, the depth of that word and 1521 01:44:51,510 --> 01:44:55,650 their inability to like recognize, like how, like the 1522 01:44:55,650 --> 01:44:59,250 weight of saying that to a black person, when in the past has 1523 01:44:59,250 --> 01:45:02,790 been used white by white people to talk about black people, and 1524 01:45:02,790 --> 01:45:06,330 enslaved Africans, and now I'm being able to really like 1525 01:45:06,330 --> 01:45:09,870 appropriate that word and call my white men, slaves. And that 1526 01:45:09,870 --> 01:45:14,760 feels really powerful in that way. My slaves pay my rent, they 1527 01:45:14,910 --> 01:45:17,820 helped me pay my student loans back, you know, they're like 1528 01:45:17,820 --> 01:45:21,240 funding my life. I don't want to undermine the fact that black 1529 01:45:21,240 --> 01:45:24,450 people in the US and in Africa are owed a significant amount of 1530 01:45:24,450 --> 01:45:28,560 reparations, but I find myself trying to get some of that with 1531 01:45:28,560 --> 01:45:29,190 my clients. 1532 01:45:30,930 --> 01:45:34,350 Okay, reparations, it was waiting for it. And there it is. 1533 01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:37,200 She invokes it and it's discussed, like I said, 1534 01:45:37,350 --> 01:45:42,000 completely disgusting. Oh, I'm just going to leave that there. 1535 01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:47,910 I'm gonna need a shower. Yeah, that's crazy. This is your way 1536 01:45:47,910 --> 01:45:53,190 gay rapper. Right? Yeah. Oh, I want the I wanted to say, This 1537 01:45:53,190 --> 01:45:56,220 is why we need reparations. And the reason why I say this is why 1538 01:45:56,220 --> 01:45:59,850 I'm a big supporter of reparations, because it wipes 1539 01:45:59,850 --> 01:46:05,220 the slate clean. After this point, no more guilt. No more, 1540 01:46:05,250 --> 01:46:10,980 you know, it's like a atonement. It's a it's a cleanser. That 1541 01:46:10,980 --> 01:46:14,940 way, from our side, we can say, you know, we've been an eight 1542 01:46:14,940 --> 01:46:18,090 hour speaker for eight hours, we've been compensated anybody 1543 01:46:18,090 --> 01:46:22,230 else, that they have to deal with America in their in their 1544 01:46:22,230 --> 01:46:25,950 capacity, or however they want to deal with it. And, and white 1545 01:46:25,950 --> 01:46:28,770 people won't have to feel any more guilt for the past sins of 1546 01:46:28,770 --> 01:46:29,640 the foreigner ears. 1547 01:46:29,790 --> 01:46:34,500 So about first for people who are new to the show a DOS 1548 01:46:34,500 --> 01:46:38,370 American descendant of slavery. So there's a differentiator in, 1549 01:46:38,760 --> 01:46:43,320 yes. And that's important in this. But of course, that 1550 01:46:43,320 --> 01:46:47,070 doesn't solve the actual problem. And because as we have 1551 01:46:47,100 --> 01:46:52,440 unfolded here, white supremacy is a one world global government 1552 01:46:52,440 --> 01:46:57,030 that continues to rule and will continue to use race to divide 1553 01:46:57,030 --> 01:47:00,180 and conquer, although it may provide for a temporary 1554 01:47:00,180 --> 01:47:04,410 cleansing such as the black mistress, whipping the white 1555 01:47:04,410 --> 01:47:12,120 slave. It won't actually fix anything other than I think it'd 1556 01:47:12,120 --> 01:47:17,430 be to me, it sounds like it may be a 50 year fix or, or a five 1557 01:47:17,430 --> 01:47:20,490 month fix? I don't know. But it doesn't actually solve the 1558 01:47:20,490 --> 01:47:22,080 problem of white supremacy. 1559 01:47:23,040 --> 01:47:25,590 No, no, no, you can't eat No, I will solve that problem. I'm 1560 01:47:25,590 --> 01:47:33,720 talking about the animosity, or the that negative guilt, but 1561 01:47:33,720 --> 01:47:38,040 that's really interesting. Okay, so it that's why I think that's 1562 01:47:38,040 --> 01:47:40,890 where Marianne Williamson was coming from. It's not 1563 01:47:41,009 --> 01:47:44,729 only she say it that way, you just said it is a sentence, it 1564 01:47:44,729 --> 01:47:45,719 was really simple. 1565 01:47:46,380 --> 01:47:52,710 Right? It's atonement is what it is. So, this is like, are you 1566 01:47:52,710 --> 01:47:58,260 $1,000 Once I pay you, the guilt is gone. But then it's like, 1567 01:47:58,860 --> 01:48:02,100 I mean, I'm, I hear where you're coming from. But we just went 1568 01:48:02,100 --> 01:48:06,690 through this whole thing where that's the dumb American ways, 1569 01:48:06,690 --> 01:48:09,450 oh, let me just pay some money and it'll be rid of it. What 1570 01:48:09,450 --> 01:48:11,100 you're not? Well, 1571 01:48:11,130 --> 01:48:14,400 there's not much as that's the thing about it. It has to be 1572 01:48:14,400 --> 01:48:18,750 capital. But it has to be done in a thoughtful way. And the 1573 01:48:18,750 --> 01:48:21,570 reason why I know we're probably gonna go long, but this is a 1574 01:48:21,570 --> 01:48:26,520 very neat conversation. Look at a foreigner action. So and one 1575 01:48:26,520 --> 01:48:30,270 of the clips I didn't use Shelby Steele, he was saying Ivy League 1576 01:48:30,270 --> 01:48:37,140 school the 8% of the each class open for minorities, black 1577 01:48:37,140 --> 01:48:42,210 minorities, right? If you're you have poor schools in your 1578 01:48:42,210 --> 01:48:45,390 community, you're not going to be able to fill up that 8% with 1579 01:48:45,420 --> 01:48:50,490 adequate candidates right? So then you have to lower their 1580 01:48:50,490 --> 01:48:55,530 standards which makes it even makes the problem worse because 1581 01:48:55,530 --> 01:48:59,580 then you feel like a token quote unquote token and you feel a 1582 01:49:00,660 --> 01:49:04,050 guilt it's another kind of guilt black people feel like I'm only 1583 01:49:04,050 --> 01:49:09,750 here because I was right because yeah, right. So what I'm saying 1584 01:49:09,780 --> 01:49:14,490 is you take that money you fix the schools at the elementary 1585 01:49:14,490 --> 01:49:19,500 level, you actually put that capital of work where you have 1586 01:49:19,500 --> 01:49:24,960 enough candidates that you feel that 8% slot spot with actual 1587 01:49:24,990 --> 01:49:28,500 adequate candidates that's the problem No, but see when you 1588 01:49:28,530 --> 01:49:31,890 throw money at the problem with the great society people are 1589 01:49:31,920 --> 01:49:36,210 saying one thing would it didn't fix nothing? It didn't fix 1590 01:49:36,210 --> 01:49:40,950 anything it I'm double negative I just didn't fix anything um 1591 01:49:42,840 --> 01:49:46,410 it well worse worse. Affirmative Action was hijacked. 1592 01:49:47,790 --> 01:49:50,790 That's a whole nother whole nother show but 1593 01:49:50,790 --> 01:49:53,280 it's true affirmative action was high. Very true. 1594 01:49:53,310 --> 01:49:56,940 Yeah. By everything that that we held the door open while 1595 01:49:56,970 --> 01:50:00,330 everybody else went in. Yeah, is 1596 01:50:00,360 --> 01:50:06,180 Yeah. So okay. I don't want to dwell on too long on this. But I 1597 01:50:06,180 --> 01:50:08,550 think we've talked about reparations before. In fact, 1598 01:50:08,550 --> 01:50:12,570 that's part of how we met is me trying to understand what was 1599 01:50:12,570 --> 01:50:17,520 going on in Congress with a das and reparations. And, you know, 1600 01:50:17,550 --> 01:50:20,310 which hasn't really moved much further since we started talking 1601 01:50:20,310 --> 01:50:25,290 about it. And I know, so you're for reparations, and it has to 1602 01:50:25,290 --> 01:50:30,480 be capital, but you can't trust any government to put the 1603 01:50:30,480 --> 01:50:33,750 capital to good work. In fact, that's the weak part of Marianne 1604 01:50:33,750 --> 01:50:36,330 Williamson's argument, Hey, she's like, all we'll put a 1605 01:50:36,330 --> 01:50:39,210 panel together and the panel will decide where it goes. And 1606 01:50:39,210 --> 01:50:41,700 you know, that's when my eyes roll back in my head like, okay, 1607 01:50:41,970 --> 01:50:46,020 that's, that's a bonanza that won't do any good. And so I 1608 01:50:46,020 --> 01:50:49,440 think that's, I think that's why you're saying, Oh, it should 1609 01:50:49,440 --> 01:50:52,830 just be a check, a big check, every a DOS person gets a check, 1610 01:50:52,830 --> 01:50:56,520 and then then we're done. Even Steven, clean slate. 1611 01:50:57,299 --> 01:51:01,409 Well, I'm not saying only a check, oh, there will have to be 1612 01:51:01,409 --> 01:51:09,719 some money involved of scholarships, to private schools 1613 01:51:09,719 --> 01:51:14,489 on the elementary level, where, you know, you have to build in, 1614 01:51:14,819 --> 01:51:18,989 like I said, you have to build that ground floor. It's gonna 1615 01:51:18,989 --> 01:51:22,049 have to be a generation where you build that ground floor. You 1616 01:51:22,049 --> 01:51:24,749 just can't say, oh, yeah, we're gonna open up I believe, 8% of 1617 01:51:24,749 --> 01:51:30,089 the spots and not build a community from the bottom up. 1618 01:51:31,079 --> 01:51:34,049 This is the whole Boulay town, the 10 things like oh, yeah, 1619 01:51:34,049 --> 01:51:37,499 well, that 10% In two, I believe schools, and then they'll do 1620 01:51:37,499 --> 01:51:40,499 right by the by the bottom bottom. Cool. That doesn't work. 1621 01:51:40,499 --> 01:51:40,679 Who 1622 01:51:40,680 --> 01:51:45,960 in your mind, in the political landscape has the right idea? In 1623 01:51:45,960 --> 01:51:50,670 your mind for reparations? Who is representing your thinking? I 1624 01:51:50,670 --> 01:51:52,890 haven't heard any button. That's what I was afraid of. No. 1625 01:51:55,560 --> 01:52:00,390 No, it's not a soundbite. It's not me, it's gonna take actual 1626 01:52:00,390 --> 01:52:04,770 work. Because either you have two schools of thought, we need 1627 01:52:04,770 --> 01:52:07,800 government programs and no check, or just cut the check 1628 01:52:07,800 --> 01:52:12,480 only. And neither one and a half a hybrid system of both of those 1629 01:52:12,480 --> 01:52:17,460 things to solve the problem, but I mean, we'll talk about that on 1630 01:52:17,460 --> 01:52:21,510 another day. Because, like I said, it's just, it's so big of 1631 01:52:21,510 --> 01:52:23,520 a problem that 1632 01:52:25,500 --> 01:52:29,970 well, let's just go back to how we started on this, which is the 1633 01:52:29,970 --> 01:52:33,600 idea that if we just do something, let's just call it 1634 01:52:33,600 --> 01:52:37,590 this if we do something big enough. What I'm hearing you 1635 01:52:37,620 --> 01:52:42,030 black American mo saying to white American Adam is if we 1636 01:52:42,030 --> 01:52:44,790 just make it big enough and significant or significant 1637 01:52:44,790 --> 01:52:48,750 enough, maybe that's the right word. Then Black people would 1638 01:52:48,750 --> 01:52:50,610 say white people, you're off the hook. 1639 01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:55,140 Is not black people are saying you're on the hook is these 1640 01:52:55,140 --> 01:53:00,600 Grifters. What we're trying to do is eliminate the Grifters. 1641 01:53:02,040 --> 01:53:06,660 Well see they're speaking on our behalf right, the Jesse 1642 01:53:06,660 --> 01:53:08,310 Jackson's the so what 1643 01:53:08,310 --> 01:53:12,540 black deals stand? So you're the only guy I don't know. You're 1644 01:53:12,570 --> 01:53:15,180 one of the few I know but you're the only guy I know is saying 1645 01:53:15,180 --> 01:53:18,630 Jesse Jackson is a grifter. Al Sharpton is a grifter. There's 1646 01:53:18,630 --> 01:53:21,780 not a lot of people standing up saying that Mo. I say 1647 01:53:21,780 --> 01:53:26,250 actually, Jesse Jackson was ran out of Ferguson. You know, the 1648 01:53:26,250 --> 01:53:27,690 news is don't tell you this. 1649 01:53:27,690 --> 01:53:34,530 Thank you. Thank you. So, okay. So I feel very good now. Because 1650 01:53:34,530 --> 01:53:40,050 I feel like I am contributing with a podcast. And we're not 1651 01:53:40,080 --> 01:53:42,420 immune. We're contributing something by opening the 1652 01:53:42,420 --> 01:53:45,060 dialogue and just being able to talk about it like Americans, 1653 01:53:45,060 --> 01:53:50,970 which is to me quite easy. But the warning is these people 1654 01:53:50,970 --> 01:53:53,100 these eight holes over here, those are the ones you got to 1655 01:53:53,100 --> 01:53:56,280 look out for you got to be careful of. And yeah, cuz 1656 01:53:56,310 --> 01:53:58,710 they're you they're playing off each other. They're playing. 1657 01:53:59,340 --> 01:54:03,240 You're speaking on my behalf to use an atom, right kick kicking 1658 01:54:03,240 --> 01:54:07,830 and chipping, chipping. Right and then it never comes back to 1659 01:54:07,830 --> 01:54:12,090 me and then we're like, what the hell gotcha, you know, um, so if 1660 01:54:12,090 --> 01:54:16,350 you say, we get together have a conversation like I look, we're 1661 01:54:16,350 --> 01:54:21,120 going to do ABC. It takes the power away from those the middle 1662 01:54:21,150 --> 01:54:23,190 the middle traders. 1663 01:54:24,780 --> 01:54:27,600 And there's a lot of them. There's a lot of the MO there's 1664 01:54:27,600 --> 01:54:31,200 a lot trading on this a lot in entertainment, a lot of very 1665 01:54:31,200 --> 01:54:36,180 influential people. And they and they're all part of the problem. 1666 01:54:37,020 --> 01:54:39,030 And that's why I call them disgusting. I mean, that's the 1667 01:54:39,030 --> 01:54:42,600 word for the day. They're disguised disgusting, because so 1668 01:54:42,600 --> 01:54:45,210 I want to end on a high note. I know we got you know, 1669 01:54:46,500 --> 01:54:48,960 we're not done yet. Are we? I'm having a good time. 1670 01:54:50,010 --> 01:54:54,690 Okay, now, let's okay. Even the kids aren't safe. 1671 01:54:55,590 --> 01:54:58,920 Especially the kids aren't safe. What are you talking right there 1672 01:54:58,920 --> 01:54:59,550 the future? 1673 01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:01,290 The Greater 1674 01:55:01,860 --> 01:55:05,610 we end tonight with a poem written and performed by an 1675 01:55:05,610 --> 01:55:09,030 Atlanta teenager this past spring, but it's been getting 1676 01:55:09,030 --> 01:55:12,690 new attention from millions after the violence that shook 1677 01:55:12,690 --> 01:55:15,450 America last week. Here's Mark Strassman. 1678 01:55:18,449 --> 01:55:21,059 My poem is titled white boy and privilege. 1679 01:55:21,450 --> 01:55:25,680 White Boy privilege was an entry in a school poetry contest. 1680 01:55:25,919 --> 01:55:29,879 To be honest, I'm scared of what it would be like if I wasn't on 1681 01:55:29,879 --> 01:55:32,819 the top rung if the tables were turned, and I didn't have my 1682 01:55:32,819 --> 01:55:35,639 whiteboard privilege safety blanket to protect me. 1683 01:55:35,850 --> 01:55:39,870 Royce man's message was a plea from a 14 year old white male 1684 01:55:39,930 --> 01:55:44,430 going into a private school in Atlanta. Let everyone share his 1685 01:55:44,430 --> 01:55:45,270 privileges. 1686 01:55:45,779 --> 01:55:49,619 I love it. Because when I see a police officer, I see someone 1687 01:55:49,619 --> 01:55:50,159 who's on my 1688 01:55:50,159 --> 01:55:55,319 side. I'm just trying to be truthful, about like, how I 1689 01:55:55,319 --> 01:55:58,259 wouldn't trade places with somebody and that I think a lot 1690 01:55:58,259 --> 01:56:01,799 of people sometimes are such a thought about that 1691 01:56:02,039 --> 01:56:06,209 racial division seared America last week, after Minnesota, 1692 01:56:06,239 --> 01:56:11,549 Baton Rouge and Dallas man's poem struck a nerve online. Many 1693 01:56:11,579 --> 01:56:16,199 loved it. Others attacked him. More than 8 million people have 1694 01:56:16,199 --> 01:56:16,769 seen it. 1695 01:56:17,009 --> 01:56:20,309 Everyone should have the privileges. They should be 1696 01:56:20,309 --> 01:56:24,419 writing. Everyone's story should be reading. So all they have to 1697 01:56:24,419 --> 01:56:27,659 do is get it read. Again, the change can be scary, but 1698 01:56:27,659 --> 01:56:28,979 equality shouldn't be. 1699 01:56:29,340 --> 01:56:32,340 I'm not asking anybody to give up their lives to fight for 1700 01:56:32,340 --> 01:56:35,550 equality. I have other dreams too. I'm just asking you to try 1701 01:56:35,550 --> 01:56:39,150 be an ally do your share. When you see something that you think 1702 01:56:39,150 --> 01:56:41,640 is wrong. There's discrimination speak up, 1703 01:56:42,120 --> 01:56:45,630 it's time to let go of that fear. It's time to take that 1704 01:56:45,630 --> 01:56:48,030 ladder and turn it into a bridge. 1705 01:56:49,980 --> 01:56:54,240 Also won that poetry contest. Mark Strassman, CBS News, 1706 01:56:54,270 --> 01:56:54,840 Atlanta. 1707 01:56:55,860 --> 01:57:01,020 Child abuse, child abuse out you took it took the words right out 1708 01:57:01,020 --> 01:57:04,470 of my mouth. This kid I'm not going to harp on this kid 1709 01:57:04,470 --> 01:57:08,430 because it would only be further to child abuse. But come on. 1710 01:57:08,490 --> 01:57:09,030 Yeah. 1711 01:57:10,170 --> 01:57:14,550 Doesn't. Doesn't that make you feel like despair? If that's 1712 01:57:14,550 --> 01:57:17,460 what's going on? That's the future. That's that's what's 1713 01:57:17,460 --> 01:57:22,410 being created? It does to me. Yeah. 1714 01:57:25,140 --> 01:57:30,450 I don't know how you know what? Well, he understand how the 1715 01:57:30,450 --> 01:57:33,600 world really works. And you could tell he does it and what 1716 01:57:33,600 --> 01:57:37,470 we're doing is condoning highlighting children. And not 1717 01:57:37,470 --> 01:57:40,290 only him, I'm just gonna make this a bigger issue of they 1718 01:57:40,290 --> 01:57:43,350 don't understand how the world works. And they will say if you 1719 01:57:43,350 --> 01:57:47,040 want everybody to have privilege, then it's not 1720 01:57:47,040 --> 01:57:51,450 privilege right? Now what we should want is, Oh, stop, 1721 01:57:51,480 --> 01:57:58,530 Oh, stop, shoot. Okay, it just hit me. If we want everyone to 1722 01:57:58,530 --> 01:58:02,010 have privilege, there's no privilege. You know what that's 1723 01:58:02,010 --> 01:58:08,790 called Mo, socialist, socialism. It's what we're moving towards 1724 01:58:08,820 --> 01:58:13,770 and that and so this white guilt is a huge driver of the young 1725 01:58:13,770 --> 01:58:17,220 people being without knowing exactly what it is. I've lived 1726 01:58:17,220 --> 01:58:20,790 in socialist countries. There's, there's good there's a lot of 1727 01:58:20,790 --> 01:58:25,890 not so good or stuff I don't like. But for sure. Everyone 1728 01:58:25,890 --> 01:58:30,690 becomes equal. And then everyone is it really pulls everybody 1729 01:58:30,690 --> 01:58:32,490 down. Doesn't elevate 1730 01:58:32,849 --> 01:58:33,839 nothing. Yeah. 1731 01:58:35,790 --> 01:58:36,810 Nothing. Yes, right. 1732 01:58:37,260 --> 01:58:40,440 You're happy. You're happy. You're 200 200 square foot 1733 01:58:40,440 --> 01:58:45,000 apartment with your two pair of Lululemon underwear, Lulu, lemon 1734 01:58:45,000 --> 01:58:49,050 socks, and your bunk beds and your bunk bed? Your bunk bed? 1735 01:58:49,920 --> 01:58:52,470 That's what they're preparing for it. But it's like, you have 1736 01:58:52,470 --> 01:58:56,160 to trick them in their mind. But as we all know what any 1737 01:58:56,190 --> 01:59:00,240 communist or socialist regime there's always a ruling class. 1738 01:59:00,270 --> 01:59:04,530 Yeah. Which goes back to the original statement of the elite 1739 01:59:04,530 --> 01:59:09,930 or empire. It's just a different kind of empire. Yes. There you 1740 01:59:09,930 --> 01:59:16,050 have it. Wow. I, oh, 1741 01:59:16,080 --> 01:59:20,400 I loved this is not quite what I expected. I didn't know exactly 1742 01:59:20,400 --> 01:59:23,370 what to expect from this show. I really liked where we took this. 1743 01:59:23,580 --> 01:59:27,900 And I really like that from the outset. And this is the basis of 1744 01:59:27,900 --> 01:59:32,610 the show. We both agree. There's a ruling class there's 1745 01:59:33,750 --> 01:59:38,760 personified by certain people, and they are the supremacy and 1746 01:59:38,790 --> 01:59:44,400 they're most likely all white. So we can say supremacy with 1747 01:59:44,460 --> 01:59:48,600 certainty. And it's the enemy of all mankind. 1748 01:59:49,980 --> 01:59:54,210 They are the enemy of justice. Remember that the opposition to 1749 01:59:54,210 --> 01:59:59,550 this is justice. Give me a fair shot. Call the game fair the 1750 01:59:59,550 --> 02:00:03,000 sports and analogy and let me compete. That's all we're asking 1751 02:00:03,000 --> 02:00:09,960 for. That's all we're asking for. Um, but so we're wrapping 1752 02:00:09,960 --> 02:00:13,890 up here, and I want to end the show on a joke if you don't 1753 02:00:13,890 --> 02:00:14,400 mind. 1754 02:00:14,880 --> 02:00:17,910 Just so although there's been some pretty funny shit going on 1755 02:00:17,910 --> 02:00:21,360 in the show. Don't know if anything could top the white 1756 02:00:21,360 --> 02:00:22,110 guilt kit 1757 02:00:22,830 --> 02:00:26,880 on actual joke. Okay. Number 30. 1758 02:00:27,690 --> 02:00:30,480 Oh, sorry. Not not saying why people aren't evil either, 1759 02:00:30,510 --> 02:00:34,800 because I know where you got the evil in me. I do. I guess I can 1760 02:00:34,800 --> 02:00:38,730 feel it. That's why I try to suppress it. I tried to dress 1761 02:00:38,730 --> 02:00:42,240 casual, you know, I mean, I'm serious, man. I tried a suit on 1762 02:00:42,240 --> 02:00:44,370 the other day, I felt that coming up like Fuck, man, I want 1763 02:00:44,370 --> 02:00:48,240 to take over some shit, right? I start telling people what to do. 1764 02:00:48,510 --> 02:00:50,790 I'm gonna go blue lake laying on my secretary 1765 02:00:57,180 --> 02:00:58,920 like those movies when they make black and white people get 1766 02:00:58,920 --> 02:01:00,870 along, and even those ones seem ridiculous, you know, because it 1767 02:01:00,870 --> 02:01:03,570 always has to be like some sort of lesson. And those movies just 1768 02:01:03,570 --> 02:01:07,890 like, you know, I never looked at it that way. This like, that 1769 02:01:07,890 --> 02:01:11,520 never happens. You know? Anytime I've ever hung out with a black 1770 02:01:11,520 --> 02:01:13,950 dude, at no point during the evening is he like tried to like 1771 02:01:13,950 --> 02:01:19,230 Teach me how to dance. In a racial Footloose moment, they 1772 02:01:19,230 --> 02:01:23,160 always. And I never go to his neighborhood and like trying to 1773 02:01:23,160 --> 02:01:28,800 like save a school, you know? How many times are they gonna 1774 02:01:28,800 --> 02:01:31,440 make that movie? You know, that movie? The white person goes 1775 02:01:31,440 --> 02:01:36,000 into the projects. They just have to make a difference. You 1776 02:01:36,000 --> 02:01:37,830 know, if they just made the move, you can what that was 1777 02:01:37,890 --> 02:01:42,540 Hillary Swank. It's like, did you even need to go see it? It's 1778 02:01:42,540 --> 02:01:45,210 like, Let me guess she shows up and they don't accept her. 1779 02:01:45,360 --> 02:01:49,650 Right. And she goes home, she cries to her feminine boyfriend 1780 02:01:49,650 --> 02:01:51,840 is wearing sweatpants. And he's cooking something for some 1781 02:01:51,840 --> 02:01:56,070 reason, right? And he convinces her and convinces her to give it 1782 02:01:56,070 --> 02:01:59,820 one more chance right? Since she goes back down there, she starts 1783 02:01:59,820 --> 02:02:02,130 drawing out their inner beauty next scene. Oh, they put a do 1784 02:02:02,130 --> 02:02:06,240 rag on and she starts fucking dancing. And it's embarrassing. 1785 02:02:06,870 --> 02:02:10,050 For all races involved for the love of God. Stop making that 1786 02:02:10,050 --> 02:02:10,770 fucking movie. 1787 02:02:14,160 --> 02:02:16,860 Birdman, he's fantastic. There's a number of really good 1788 02:02:16,860 --> 02:02:19,980 comedians who are doing some great stuff now. He's definitely 1789 02:02:19,980 --> 02:02:23,010 one. That's that's why we got to have honesty. 1790 02:02:25,500 --> 02:02:28,710 Yeah, it's the funniest part. Exactly. And there's none 1791 02:02:28,710 --> 02:02:31,740 of raise attention. Breathe attention to what's really going 1792 02:02:31,740 --> 02:02:32,490 on. So 1793 02:02:32,550 --> 02:02:37,230 yeah. Oh, wow. This is this has been really good. I've 1794 02:02:37,230 --> 02:02:40,440 thoroughly enjoyed doing this with you. And I think that this 1795 02:02:40,440 --> 02:02:43,410 is just the beginning of the show, really, of the stuff that 1796 02:02:43,410 --> 02:02:48,720 we can get into. And I hope that everyone who has been listening 1797 02:02:49,290 --> 02:02:53,370 understands that we have a common and a common enemy in 1798 02:02:53,370 --> 02:02:57,690 this. And they're not always that visible. But definitely we 1799 02:02:57,690 --> 02:03:02,040 have a common enemy and they have very powerful tools. Tools 1800 02:03:02,040 --> 02:03:06,150 such as television tools, such as well the this is the beauty 1801 02:03:06,150 --> 02:03:12,360 of the internet is it is being used for great evil currently, 1802 02:03:12,600 --> 02:03:16,170 but there's a lot of great good and if anyone just invest a 1803 02:03:16,170 --> 02:03:18,240 little bit of time and little bit of effort, little bit of 1804 02:03:18,240 --> 02:03:21,930 energy, you too can do what we're doing. It's not all that 1805 02:03:21,930 --> 02:03:25,590 hard. You just have to want to do it and just be fucking honest 1806 02:03:25,590 --> 02:03:26,580 for change. 1807 02:03:29,940 --> 02:03:35,220 I gotta go order my white guilt kid here. Thank you so much for 1808 02:03:35,220 --> 02:03:37,620 putting this together. Mo I really enjoy it as you know. 1809 02:03:38,670 --> 02:03:41,940 Are you welcome. And as I always say, pay attention to 1810 02:03:41,940 --> 02:03:44,310 everything. 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